**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Oct 11 02:59:57 2007 Oct 11 03:10:59 it seems like the more things I have running, or the longer I have the 770 running without a flash the lower the 802.11g antenna gets Oct 11 03:11:02 lower signal Oct 11 03:23:08 <3 automail Oct 11 03:23:11 handheld mail Oct 11 03:26:43 is automail an email client? Oct 11 03:31:57 So, yeah.. Pidgin is way better, thanks pup. Oct 11 03:48:42 Are the browser out there besides the preinstalled one worthwhile? Oct 11 03:49:08 bye Oct 11 03:49:20 Er, browsers Oct 11 03:51:32 :( pidgen repo isn't working Oct 11 03:51:44 err woops Oct 11 03:51:49 / Oct 11 03:52:10 Repe? Oct 11 03:52:16 :) Oct 11 03:52:22 Er. repo Oct 11 03:52:26 forgot the /, I was reading bora user from the above Oct 11 03:52:29 XD Oct 11 03:53:00 if you use bluetooth keyboard and like fast browsers, you might like links2 Oct 11 03:53:10 nope, no keyboard Oct 11 03:53:18 I'm graffitiing Oct 11 03:53:52 Microb browser might become the best all-round browser Oct 11 03:53:56 not sure how stable it is atm Oct 11 03:54:33 where could I find a bluetooth keyboard and how much Oct 11 03:55:09 I've used Think Outside's and like it. Oct 11 03:55:27 i have the thinkoutside stowaway and it's pretty sweet Oct 11 03:55:33 nokia makes one too Oct 11 03:56:20 I need to check nokia's out... Oct 11 03:56:37 never found a store where you could test em Oct 11 03:57:02 holy hell Oct 11 03:57:09 almost as much as I payed for my 770 Oct 11 03:57:19 with a 1GB MMCmobile Oct 11 03:58:03 right, forgot, never get something from the company that makes it Oct 11 03:58:04 XD Oct 11 03:58:08 i would like to know why, if the dollar is so weak, nokia tablets are 1.7 times cheaper in the US compared to germany Oct 11 03:58:48 ok, 77 is better Oct 11 03:59:05 $140 on amazon Oct 11 03:59:45 it's funny watching people talk to the tooth fairy Oct 11 04:00:56 <|R> http://www.pcplanets.com/videoyoutube-Nokia-b-N800-b-Built-in-Camera-Test.DsmmJg_YunA.shtml <- does this mean that in "camera 2.7" you had video record capabilities and now in 2.9 it's gone !? Oct 11 04:01:01 <|R> i need this! Oct 11 04:01:25 Tb0n3: 3 links for ya. http://www.divshare.com/download/798362-bf8 basiliskIIGS, http://www.divshare.com/download/798033-e5d basiliskIIGTK, http://www.divshare.com/download/791981-f8d basiliskIISDL<--working one i think...god speed. Oct 11 04:05:15 unique311: do you want monkey to know those links? Oct 11 04:09:02 Ok.. Dumb question time: Oct 11 04:09:21 How do i install gpe pim? Oct 11 04:09:36 its a whole lot of them. When divshare had the group feature it could've worked out..but i'll probably just do a thread on ITT listing all of the links, and then add the ITT link to monkey's arsenal. Oct 11 04:09:46 Right off maemo.orgs page? Oct 11 04:14:58 wow Oct 11 04:15:00 pidgen Oct 11 04:15:04 rawksom Oct 11 04:15:59 hi Oct 11 04:15:59 <_Monkey> hi, Andy80 Oct 11 04:16:50 esworp: i don't know - look for a green install icon or search repositories Oct 11 04:16:52 repositories? Oct 11 04:16:53 <_Monkey> i think repositories is http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php Oct 11 04:18:32 can we have this already.... http://labs.vivi.eng.br/blog/?p=31 Oct 11 04:23:17 that would be cool Oct 11 04:25:47 how the heck can I make my 770 read/write faster to my mobile card Oct 11 04:25:54 which has 52MB/s speed Oct 11 04:30:52 untaring basilisk Oct 11 04:30:58 hope I figure out how to work this thing Oct 11 04:34:37 Tb0n3: n770 is slow itself :p Oct 11 04:35:55 but I saw somewhere a way to highspeed it Oct 11 04:37:37 search fanoush mmcplus Oct 11 04:39:41 http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/#mmcplus Oct 11 04:39:42 :D Oct 11 04:41:03 what is that? Oct 11 04:41:10 someday i'm going to figure out how to start a religious cult that attracts only genius programmers Oct 11 04:42:31 Andy80: a kernel that has faster mmc card speed and other goodies Oct 11 04:42:35 why would you want genuis programmers when you could have young hot women? Oct 11 04:43:05 cool :) Oct 11 04:43:27 do I flash that faster kernel? Oct 11 04:43:43 pupnik: how can I know if my mmc is compatile with it? Oct 11 04:44:06 if it has more than one row of connectors Oct 11 04:44:08 ok, young hot genius female programmer women Oct 11 04:44:29 andy, mmcplus/mobile has 13 connectors rather than 7 Oct 11 04:45:36 I check now. let me switch it off Oct 11 04:45:54 see ya later.... Oct 11 04:57:56 HOLY HELL THAT'S FAST Oct 11 04:58:06 much much faster than it was before Oct 11 04:58:41 <|R> https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/1824/camera_2.9-2video_armel.deb <- anyone using this version of camera to record video and have it crash at the end ? Oct 11 05:01:55 oh, where are .deb files cached? Oct 11 05:02:51 morning Oct 11 05:02:52 <_Monkey> aloha Oct 11 05:03:12 * czr puts on the straw skirt Oct 11 05:20:44 I transfered a whole cd of mp3s to the memory card in 30 seconds Oct 11 05:21:34 that's 60 megabytes Oct 11 05:21:40 win Oct 11 05:26:40 good to know Tb0n3 ... give a holler if you ever see corruption on the card Oct 11 05:27:00 k Oct 11 05:27:01 how did you transfer? Oct 11 05:27:07 it was over usb Oct 11 05:27:16 but so sosososososososo much faster than before Oct 11 05:27:24 :/ Oct 11 05:27:30 yep Oct 11 05:27:50 regular seems like 380-400kB/s Oct 11 05:27:52 I try and untar the basilisk tar and it gets a "tar: crc error" after the HDD.DSK part Oct 11 05:28:22 Some older/buggy cards (my 64MB one inluded with N770) may not work and produce read/write errors. Oct 11 05:28:23 can you redownload the file on pc and check the tar Oct 11 05:28:37 you have to choose, speed or reliability :P Oct 11 05:28:39 I read that Oct 11 05:28:45 speed, it's a good card Oct 11 05:28:53 kingston 1GB MMCmobile Oct 11 05:29:54 well, tiem for bed Oct 11 05:30:00 well, it was time for bed lon ago, but hey Oct 11 05:30:05 I dunno how to sleep Oct 11 05:33:16 * czr loans a hammer to Tb0n3 Oct 11 05:56:17 Hole up & Camp! Oct 11 05:56:20 Resting... Oct 11 06:05:29 i keep getting error messages when im trying to install osso-screenshot-tool Oct 11 06:06:00 looks like i need some dpendencies Oct 11 06:13:21 i keep getting error messages when im trying to install osso-screenshot-tool Oct 11 06:13:22 looks like i need some dpendencies Oct 11 06:17:28 is there any way to get the actual error from LibOSSO when it fails to initialize? Oct 11 06:17:56 were can i download libs Oct 11 06:17:59 for apps Oct 11 06:18:10 i installed it 2007 he Oct 11 06:19:03 Has anyone noticed they were receiving CON_IC_STATUS_DISCONNECTED connection events using conic when the connection was active, and stable? Oct 11 08:06:06 Hey guys....so i bought a 770 a while ago, and i bought a 2gb kingston mmc to go with it. well, all of a sudden the kingston cannot be read. by anything. i've tried the 770 and two xp based pcs, and my printer....any ideas? Oct 11 08:25:08 HRm, now that i think about it - it could've been from a failed format attempt...just really annoying that it's completely unusable now... Oct 11 08:26:02 there was serious problems with some large capacity memory cards with N800. the newest firmware that came out last week (or around then) contained the kernel fix for that. Oct 11 08:26:08 Morning, all Oct 11 08:26:21 you might want to check the changelog for the recent N800 image, there's a bugzilla link in there which contains a lot more info syosoft Oct 11 08:26:25 mornin Jaffa Oct 11 08:26:26 i've got the 770 :( Oct 11 08:26:41 syosoft, I know. doesn't mean that it doesn't have the same bug Oct 11 08:27:02 AFAIR, the device doesn't support 2GB cards (officially) Oct 11 08:27:15 it was working for a while. Oct 11 08:27:17 then just stopped. Oct 11 08:27:25 which makes me believe that it is the same bug. Oct 11 08:27:58 not sure i would be able to make sense out of what applys and what doesnt in the change log - and if i did come across it... how to apply? Oct 11 08:28:39 syosoft, please read this: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1204 Oct 11 08:28:48 that bug makes the card unreadable in computers as well? Oct 11 08:28:54 yes Oct 11 08:29:21 hrm...wonder if thats waht it is - read only .... Oct 11 08:29:26 yea, i'll give it a read, much appreciated. Oct 11 08:30:10 the bugreport starts out with multiple bugs Oct 11 08:30:20 but you might want to read on until it becomes clear what the issue is Oct 11 08:30:26 yip, reading on Oct 11 08:30:53 bon dia Oct 11 08:30:56 good morning Oct 11 08:37:00 guess i'll try flashing back to an earlier version... Oct 11 08:37:45 still around czr? Oct 11 08:37:52 any cmds you can suggest running on the 770? Oct 11 08:38:29 you need to be more specific :-) Oct 11 08:38:47 well, just somethign to try to recover this thing. Oct 11 08:38:58 read the bugreport. Oct 11 08:38:59 i'm not all that well versed in linux...not sure what to ask. Oct 11 08:39:10 i did. heh, but it's just people talking. no clear way to test for absolute failure. Oct 11 08:39:42 they're sprinkled all around the bug-report Oct 11 08:39:58 but if you're unable to see the card or format it in windows/linux, then the card is done for. Oct 11 08:40:07 I'd suggest you take it back to where you bought it from and ask for replacement. Oct 11 08:40:39 and try to ask around for a version of a kernel for 770 that contains the same bugfix Oct 11 08:40:48 unfortunately I can't help you there. Oct 11 08:41:07 maybe the hacker edition has the fix, maybe not. /me shrugs. Oct 11 08:41:35 yesterday it would notice the card was inserted and said corrupted. today it's not even mounting. Oct 11 09:00:34 my revenge : see my ex-girlfriend naked on www.nackte-ex.de.gg Oct 11 09:41:02 hmm. is there a nice mechanism to control the backlight brightness via d-bus/libosso? Oct 11 09:41:13 (not whether it's off or on, but the brightness) Oct 11 09:41:42 czr monitor the dbus while wedging the brightness applet? Oct 11 09:42:11 suihkulokki, that would be fine if I wouldn't be writing ref material :-) Oct 11 09:42:17 so I guess not then.. Oct 11 09:55:36 czr, the brightness is in gconf Oct 11 09:55:58 inz, ah. so by changing the gconf-key, it would be reflected immediately? Oct 11 09:56:04 yep Oct 11 09:56:08 cool. thanks Oct 11 09:58:31 /system/osso/dsm/display/display_brightness Oct 11 09:58:51 sounds right Oct 11 09:59:02 at least that the only thing I can find with gconftool -R Oct 11 09:59:23 too bad these are not documented anywhere.. Oct 11 09:59:23 Try changing it with gconftool -s -t int and see what happens =) Oct 11 09:59:28 I will shortly. Oct 11 10:00:26 yup. it works, thanks Oct 11 10:00:39 very nice gradual dimmin effect too :-) Oct 11 10:00:43 dimming even. Oct 11 10:01:03 haha. except that now I broke something Oct 11 10:01:06 I set the value to 0 Oct 11 10:01:15 and now using larger values don't do anything :-) Oct 11 10:01:32 ah no. my bad. Oct 11 10:03:02 inz, any idea on what the "use_led" boolean does? Oct 11 10:03:08 under dsm/display/ as well Oct 11 10:04:25 czr, isn't there a "use leds" or something in the display settings dialog? Oct 11 10:04:34 * czr checks Oct 11 10:05:01 ah yes there is. it's for the top-left keypad thingy. the blue led there Oct 11 10:05:17 czr, yeah, that's the thing Oct 11 10:05:23 what is it for? Oct 11 10:05:30 (must seem like a silly question :-) Oct 11 10:05:39 It's supposed to give some feedback to user Oct 11 10:05:59 hmm. it just flashed. by itself. how to control it? :-) Oct 11 10:06:00 I think it should blink if the display is off and there's e.g. chat message waiting Oct 11 10:06:10 ah. interesting. Oct 11 10:06:19 that could be useful. any docs on this? :-) Oct 11 10:07:58 czr, see mce-dev package, there's something like MCE_ACTIVATE_LED_PATTERN and _DEACTIVATE_ Oct 11 10:08:22 czr, and there's some patterns defined in /etc/mce/mce.ini Oct 11 10:08:48 right. I'll add that to my research list if there's no other docs on it, thanks for the info Oct 11 10:10:41 any time Oct 11 10:24:00 has anyone ever managed to break the application manager (on a n800)... whenever i launch it, i just get an empty white window that doesn't respond and can only be closed forcefully Oct 11 11:25:22 http://tabletblog.com/2007/10/i-painted-my-n800.html <- :P Oct 11 11:34:24 hehe, cool Oct 11 11:46:24 i suspect the buttons would be better black, but thats me Oct 11 11:46:35 but loved the semi-irregular stripes Oct 11 12:01:09 meh. I wonder who is the bright person who mapped "Offline mode" from the device into OSSO_DEVMODE_FLIGHT in LibOSSO device state (instead of using OSSO_DEVMODE_OFFLINE). Oct 11 12:01:26 especially when both are undocumented. Oct 11 12:02:53 Weird. Oct 11 12:03:07 czr, you doing any work on documenting the DSP? Oct 11 12:03:14 Or is that too low level for you? Oct 11 12:03:42 * alterego was thinking of playing with the DSP for a while. Oct 11 12:04:13 alterego, hmm, not going to do that Oct 11 12:04:23 Right, didn't think so. Oct 11 12:04:23 not part of the stuff I'm doing, fortunately. Oct 11 12:04:37 check the ml, there was someone working on the dsp stuff Oct 11 12:04:53 I've found quite a bit of info on it. Oct 11 12:05:02 Still, it's kind of scary to me ;) Oct 11 12:05:13 And I don't know what I'm going to do with it yet .. Oct 11 12:06:05 is there a free compiler for it yet? Oct 11 12:06:09 Yeah Oct 11 12:06:13 one that does 55, not 54. Oct 11 12:06:14 TI released it ages ago. Oct 11 12:06:18 it's not free. Oct 11 12:06:22 it's gratis. Oct 11 12:06:26 Ah Oct 11 12:06:33 That I don't know. Oct 11 12:06:46 at least if it's still the same that I took a look when 770 came out Oct 11 12:07:30 Right Oct 11 12:30:47 inz, you familiar with the device modes returned by LibOSSO hw-state change callback? Oct 11 12:31:13 they're not documented in libosso api (nothing interesting is), but I'm kind of puzzled what they are Oct 11 12:31:38 I know (by testing) that OSSO_DEVMODE_FLIGHT is the mode activated via the power-switch -> "Offline mode" Oct 11 12:31:48 but that begs the question what OSSO_DEVMODE_OFFLINE then is :-) Oct 11 12:36:21 czr, Have you looked in the file /etc/systemui/systemui.xml? Oct 11 12:36:38 no? :-) Oct 11 12:36:53 That defines that menu that pops up when you press the power button. Oct 11 12:37:01 Might have something useful for you. Oct 11 12:37:05 let's see Oct 11 12:37:16 (used it to enable a restart function) Oct 11 12:37:40 ah I see. sadly no. not useful. Oct 11 12:37:59 Long shot. I couldn't remember what it contained. Oct 11 12:38:41 I'd just wish that the stuff would be documented :-) Oct 11 12:38:46 "nothing more". Oct 11 12:39:06 alterego, in my darkest hours I did make a screenshot: http://koltsoff.com/pub/y2000.png Oct 11 12:43:13 Hahahah Oct 11 12:43:42 I've found that the amount of irony often increases with the amount of desperation :-) Oct 11 12:43:53 I didn't realise that it was that complicated :P Oct 11 12:44:15 Sure, I've had a lot of issues with OSSO Oct 11 12:44:27 It's lack of debugging information is pretty annoying. Oct 11 12:46:20 the docs are.. well.. "lacking". and yes I realize I could always read the source code, but it kind of gets old after a while :-) Oct 11 12:46:22 * alterego tries to think of interesting things to use the DSP for. Oct 11 12:46:42 Well, I think you'll be supprised. The source code is pretty small. Oct 11 12:46:47 OSSO doesn't really do much .. Oct 11 12:47:03 what do you think I've used to actually get info? Oct 11 12:47:08 I've been reading the source code :-) Oct 11 12:47:09 :) Oct 11 12:47:24 but for once I'd like to _not_ to read source code. it would be so nice. Oct 11 12:48:25 Well, if that was the case. Then you wouldn't need to be doing what you're doing :P Oct 11 12:48:51 I have this crazy idea of running a VM on the DSP core. Oct 11 12:51:13 that's crazy Oct 11 12:52:13 Yes, I'm notoriously crazy. Oct 11 12:52:20 is there documentation on how to use the DSP somewhere? Oct 11 12:52:29 All over the place Jiten. Oct 11 12:52:51 Your looking for docs on the TI TMS320C55x Oct 11 12:53:23 There's a wiki page on the maemo site which gives a pointer to getting started with the DSP. Oct 11 12:55:01 ah, right, I should propably pay more attention :) missed that when I was looking through the docs Oct 11 13:00:48 that said, is there anyone who's actually made a third-party project using the dsp? Oct 11 13:04:57 the DSP? Isn't that a sound chip? what would you be using that for that you can't do with alsa? Oct 11 13:05:15 DSP as in Digital Signal Processor. Oct 11 13:05:50 suitable for certain kinds of computations. At least very suitable for video and audio algorithms. Oct 11 13:06:20 ah Oct 11 13:06:31 TPC: decode mp3s in hardware, etc Oct 11 13:06:45 well, I guess not "in hardware" , but without loading the main cpu Oct 11 13:07:08 alterego: fceu sound driver would be a great use for the dsp ;-) Oct 11 13:08:32 alterego, yeah, but the funny thing is that I'm not paid to write API documentation. Oct 11 13:08:46 I doubt anyone is. Oct 11 13:09:02 the API docs just magically seem to appear from nothingness. Oct 11 13:20:06 i still need someone to test the svn kagu's a2dp switching Oct 11 13:20:25 i should buy a pair of a2dp headphones. wonder if my laptop can emulate that Oct 11 13:25:53 someone interested in testing fceu "flickering" fix on n800? Oct 11 14:41:25 I am ASCII of Borg. Unicode is futile. You will be ANSImilated. Oct 11 14:42:08 I am unicode of borg, ascii is futile you will be utd-8-ilated Oct 11 14:42:17 s/utd/utf/ Oct 11 14:42:18 sxpert-work meant: I am unicode of borg, ascii is futile you will be utf-8-ilated Oct 11 14:44:25 ansimilated sounds better :) Oct 11 14:44:49 * czr calls OSI Oct 11 14:45:01 soon you all will be covered with clouds of omnipotency Oct 11 14:45:14 tickled by X.400 Oct 11 14:49:33 hi Oct 11 14:49:33 <_Monkey> what's up, Blacksitox Oct 11 14:49:53 Hi everyone! How do I install opera, irssi and other stuff? apt-get doesnt work, neither dpkg... Oct 11 14:50:33 Devamax, what os? Oct 11 14:51:02 maemo, nokia n800 just bought it yesterday Oct 11 14:51:24 opera is preinstalled Oct 11 14:51:33 (in the device, not the sdk) Oct 11 14:51:40 really??? can't find it Oct 11 14:51:42 irssi is command line oriented Oct 11 14:51:48 I know Oct 11 14:51:49 it's called "Browser" Oct 11 14:51:53 it is not called opera Oct 11 14:51:56 :) Oct 11 14:52:01 apt-get/dpkg works only if you get root Oct 11 14:52:13 * czr feels slightly victorious Oct 11 14:52:13 for others there's the GUI application installer Oct 11 14:52:18 Yeah, I root throug ssh Oct 11 14:52:26 repositories? Oct 11 14:52:27 <_Monkey> i think repositories is http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php Oct 11 14:52:37 one easy way to get stuff is to go to downloads.maemo.org with the browser from the device and click on the green "click to install" arrows Oct 11 14:52:47 this works, but only for packages that aren't broken Oct 11 14:52:52 unfortunately some packages are broken Oct 11 14:53:12 and a lot of them don't support .install are for IT2006 Oct 11 14:53:15 mgedmin, what is with socat 1.5.0.0 for 2006? Oct 11 14:53:16 or are even. Oct 11 14:53:22 and every user should send feedback to lazy chumps who make broken packages (like me) Oct 11 14:53:33 zoran: I've absolutely no idea Oct 11 14:53:37 what's socat? Oct 11 14:53:37 :) Oct 11 14:53:41 pupnik: lazy chump :-P Oct 11 14:53:54 * mgedmin is too lazy to send feedback Oct 11 14:53:58 socat takes encrypted conn to and from Oct 11 14:53:59 Guys, you mean - default browser in n800 is opera? Well, it isn't in my case ) Oct 11 14:54:11 it is Oct 11 14:54:16 Devamax: how can you tell? Oct 11 14:54:16 i bet it is Oct 11 14:54:17 Devamax: what is your default browser then? Oct 11 14:54:51 it doesn't have an opera icon, nor is it named 'opera', but it is opera under the hood Oct 11 14:55:17 browser id is opera. it has the same bugs as opera. hence, it is opera :-) Oct 11 14:55:31 unless it's IE of course. Oct 11 14:56:46 <`0660> in my n800 the defailt browser is firefox based, not opera Oct 11 14:56:46 Damn ) maybe it is, anyway, apt-get uses repository to search packages, and it doesn't find irssi. How to install it? Or some other irc client? Oct 11 14:57:04 try app catalog Oct 11 14:57:22 downloads.maemo.org is the easiest way to find and install software. Oct 11 14:57:27 Devamax: i posted a link to a searchable repository index Oct 11 14:57:44 Ok, thank you, I'll try it! Oct 11 14:58:08 just point the n800's browser at it. Oct 11 14:58:46 Jiten is correct - clicking on a green install icon will add needed repositories automagically Oct 11 14:59:58 Anyone uses bluetooth keyboard? Oct 11 15:00:10 someone interested in testing fceu "flickering" fix on n800? Oct 11 15:01:11 <|R> Devamax : i do Oct 11 15:01:17 <|R> Tak|work : me! Oct 11 15:01:24 Any troubles installing it? Oct 11 15:01:32 <|R> Devamax : nop, works like a charm :) Oct 11 15:01:48 |R: which keyboard? Oct 11 15:01:49 What model? Oct 11 15:02:00 <|R> Jiten / Devamax: stowaway ultra-slim Oct 11 15:02:04 |R: dcc? Oct 11 15:02:19 <|R> Tak|work : sure, i guess i should get it to work Oct 11 15:02:29 <|R> Worst case email if that fails ;) Oct 11 15:02:30 I can post http somewhere if that's preferable Oct 11 15:02:37 <|R> would be easier :) Oct 11 15:02:42 <|R> but doesn't matter .. :) Oct 11 15:03:01 email would work too - it's only 441k Oct 11 15:03:11 pick your favorite ;-) Oct 11 15:03:21 <|R> you have my email ;) Oct 11 15:03:23 <|R> (msg) Oct 11 15:03:34 me? Oct 11 15:03:50 * alterego always has mail :/ Oct 11 15:04:01 spam spam spam spam spam spam spam Oct 11 15:04:02 !me Oct 11 15:04:19 Actually, I get very little, if any spam. Oct 11 15:05:11 for pop, one could trim spam on the server Oct 11 15:05:41 alterego, you want mine? Oct 11 15:05:48 Erm, no thanks :) Oct 11 15:05:53 it could be a nice load test for your device Oct 11 15:05:59 Heh Oct 11 15:06:19 I'm not a fan of the mail client on the internet tablets. Oct 11 15:06:25 To be honest it's rubbish. Oct 11 15:06:26 claws-mail :D Oct 11 15:06:29 (I think) Oct 11 15:06:33 I tried it once I think, and it was quite horrid imho Oct 11 15:06:45 thought of writing my own, but then figured that had more interesting stuff to do Oct 11 15:06:48 mutt? Oct 11 15:06:53 I use mutt Oct 11 15:06:55 Mostly. Oct 11 15:07:13 Yeah, I was thinking of writing a better mail client. Oct 11 15:07:21 * flip^ isn't relying on anything terminal based until he has a BT keyboard Oct 11 15:07:22 better than mutt? Oct 11 15:07:27 I could probably hack something together which would be as good in a few hours ^_^ Oct 11 15:08:08 alterego, you and your ruby! Oct 11 15:08:31 alterego, does ruby have any nice ncurses abstractions? Oct 11 15:08:44 like event based toolkits that abstract the hairy spaghetty away? Oct 11 15:10:53 ruby is teh awesome Oct 11 15:11:09 kind of sucks to make somebody install a huge framework on a device like the IT, though Oct 11 15:13:47 <|R> Tak|work : looks fine! Oct 11 15:14:02 There is an ncurses extension. Oct 11 15:14:11 <|R> same intro display bug as before but that doesn't mather, the button play works and doesn't flickr anymore :] Oct 11 15:14:15 Not really used it seriously. It's a lot like doing it in C Oct 11 15:14:18 intro display bug? Oct 11 15:14:32 <|R> well, uhm, i launch it from mame Oct 11 15:14:34 alterego, then it close to useless Oct 11 15:14:36 Tak|work, ruby isn't really a huge framework :P Oct 11 15:14:39 <|R> and when it starts, i have save load on the left Oct 11 15:14:49 huge for the tablet Oct 11 15:14:51 <|R> but notthing on the bottom left or at all on the right side Oct 11 15:14:52 Tak|work, my packages install to about 6Mb which is similar to Python in size. Oct 11 15:15:05 alterego: yeah, I have the same beef about python :-P Oct 11 15:15:09 :) Oct 11 15:15:19 <|R> i have to click the home menu for them to show and they play with start/a/b/select so the screen of the game gets resized... Oct 11 15:15:36 Well, mini ruby is only 512K :P Oct 11 15:15:40 |R: hmm, that's weird Oct 11 15:15:42 But it's not very useful ^_^ Oct 11 15:16:07 yeah, when you press home, the game pauses and drops out of pixel-doubled mode Oct 11 15:16:24 and then you need to press an onscreen button to restart/redouble Oct 11 15:16:51 <|R> oh weird, now when i quit the central screen acts like a zoom Oct 11 15:16:54 Has anyone done any work on getting SDL to work in a proper HildonWindow? Oct 11 15:17:23 <|R> as if the full screen game isn't resetter and i get pixels doubled over the normal resolution where the game should be Oct 11 15:17:28 Would be able to use the onscreen keyboard then .. Oct 11 15:17:47 <|R> i guess i'll have to reboot Oct 11 15:17:55 |R: it's not resetting the display on quit? Oct 11 15:18:14 * Tak|work kicks silly xsp hack Oct 11 15:18:22 <|R> nop Oct 11 15:19:21 try restarting fceu and quitting again? Oct 11 15:19:43 <|R> i can't see well enough to know where to click :/ Oct 11 15:19:50 <|R> i'm rebooting... Oct 11 15:19:57 Hah Oct 11 15:20:07 <|R> hehe NOKIA shutdown screen was the top of NO ;) Oct 11 15:20:17 <|R> everything was stuck in zoom mode Oct 11 15:20:25 I get that sometimes with mplayer. Oct 11 15:20:26 <|R> (well center that is) Oct 11 15:20:35 pixel doubling is fun Oct 11 15:20:35 <|R> let me try again with another game Oct 11 15:20:44 |R, you changed the device mode to KIA? Oct 11 15:20:59 but it only runs when KIA-mode is disabled! Oct 11 15:21:01 Task switching out of mplayer is buggy unless you go out of fullscreen mode. Oct 11 15:21:03 <|R> haha Oct 11 15:21:36 <|R> let's see if contra works better ;) Oct 11 15:22:00 <|R> ok at the begining the button works but the whole area is transparent and i see the "desktop" Oct 11 15:22:05 <|R> that was the first thing... Oct 11 15:22:30 any guesses what N900 will use? 1) Xsp, 2) Xrandr 3) No scaling? Oct 11 15:22:42 btw, when will there be an IT with compiz? Oct 11 15:23:14 pupnik, I tried to ask you yesternight, you sure about the name? Oct 11 15:24:04 pupnik: ask daniels when he appears on irc Oct 11 15:24:10 <|R> uhm maybe sleep mode can fix the doubling, but at least now it's playable, it's a better bug hehe :) Oct 11 15:24:26 <|R> i've got to run, friend over here, i'll be back later! Oct 11 15:24:46 <|R> Tak|work : thanks, ttyl! Oct 11 15:26:06 pupnik: would be nice to know whether they've removed the memory bandwidth issue too Oct 11 15:26:44 <|R> actually now it works better, i ll give more queue about it (ok running for real ;) Oct 11 15:26:46 memory bandwidth issue? Oct 11 15:28:52 Guys, a dumb question: I've installed a repository from here: http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php , now how do I install packages from it? Oct 11 15:29:21 lardman: if we're talking about omap3430, it has native support for higher res framebuffers Oct 11 15:29:57 Devamax: they should show up in your Application Manager now Oct 11 15:30:00 (afaict) Oct 11 15:30:14 They don't((( Oct 11 15:30:33 updaet them Oct 11 15:30:38 *update Oct 11 15:30:49 Already done. Oct 11 15:30:51 yes, have you refreshed the package list? Oct 11 15:31:03 check the log for errors? Oct 11 15:32:53 Hm... how to update package list? I reboot nokia and after reboot it were updating it itself for some time, but new packages didn't appera in package list Oct 11 15:33:29 Devamax, open app manager Oct 11 15:33:55 tools -> Oct 11 15:34:07 yeah Oct 11 15:34:16 or via apt-get update Oct 11 15:34:45 * Tak|work highly disrecommend using commandline apt-get for anything on the device Oct 11 15:34:49 pupnik: I think it'll be a 2420 with a higher clockrate Oct 11 15:34:58 Jiten: screen updates Oct 11 15:35:23 Why tak? Oct 11 15:35:48 it's easy to break the system with apt-get Oct 11 15:36:24 apt-get update should be harmless; apt-get install somenonsystempackage mostly so; apt-get dist-upgrade is very likely to break your system Oct 11 15:36:57 Damn( now default browsr crushes with "internal error" message when I start it(( Oct 11 15:36:59 * Tak|work nods @ mgedmin Oct 11 15:37:11 Help please anyone))). Oct 11 15:37:18 try again Oct 11 15:37:23 many times Oct 11 15:37:27 and if that doesn't help, reboot Oct 11 15:37:32 sync Oct 11 15:37:46 what's sync? Oct 11 15:37:53 sometimes my browser fails to start if I click on a bookmark, but starts all right if I click on 'open browser window' Oct 11 15:37:53 disregard Oct 11 15:38:00 wrong window? :-) Oct 11 15:38:18 reboot helps, however Oct 11 15:38:20 the was an interesting thread on the mailing list Oct 11 15:38:31 the wifi driver apparently can corrupt random memory addresses Oct 11 15:38:35 which makes some applications crash Oct 11 15:38:38 fun fun fun Oct 11 15:39:05 on 3.2006.49 I didn't have a crash yet Oct 11 15:39:11 lucky you Oct 11 15:39:17 on 39 a lot Oct 11 15:39:30 my sister's 770 with 3.2006.49 had apt-get stop working (error parsing /var/lib/dpkg/status, iirc) Oct 11 15:39:35 rebooting didn't help Oct 11 15:39:35 but that browser makes me mad Oct 11 15:39:41 I thought I'd have to reflash it Oct 11 15:40:03 but when I finally got around to it a few months later, I tried again and the error just disappeared Oct 11 15:40:08 It still crashes(((((((( Oct 11 15:40:15 Is the built-in Opera the best browser the best option? I notice it crawls on heavy pages.. Oct 11 15:40:17 relax first Oct 11 15:40:50 may I ask for opinions of better browser for 770? Oct 11 15:40:56 minimo? Oct 11 15:40:57 <_Monkey> i think minimo is (Mini Mozilla) Web browser, a slimmed down version of mozilla browser aiming resource reduced devices. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/minimo/ Oct 11 15:41:21 there's also microb Oct 11 15:41:29 for 770? Oct 11 15:41:37 I bet all options will crawl on heavy pages... Oct 11 15:41:38 which is the mozilla browser engine (gecko) integrated into the default browser ui Oct 11 15:41:46 ah, dunno if microb works on a 770 Oct 11 15:41:55 hm, I dislike turning spaw on Oct 11 15:41:55 the 770 is a bit underpowered Oct 11 15:42:21 *swap Oct 11 15:42:39 mgedmin, I just like my 770 Oct 11 15:42:54 links is fine, lynx would be better Oct 11 15:42:58 heavy pages can bring a 1ghz pentium 3 to its knees. it's the designers fault. Oct 11 15:43:22 zoran: when I used a 770, I found that swap helps *a lot* Oct 11 15:43:32 yes Oct 11 15:43:44 I never need it with links Oct 11 15:43:58 with opera, a lot for fancy pages with picts Oct 11 15:44:08 you have links +graphics and mouse support zoran ? Oct 11 15:44:08 so, I removed picts Oct 11 15:44:15 nope Oct 11 15:44:22 no mouse on 770 :) Oct 11 15:44:37 you can build links with gpm mouse and click on links with stylus Oct 11 15:44:58 Boingboin.g metakes Opera c r a w l on my (new) n800. Oct 11 15:45:00 I use lynx on console on my home boxx Oct 11 15:45:46 what do you mean "no mouse"? Oct 11 15:45:51 taps are mouse clicks Oct 11 15:46:01 and they work just fine in terminal apps too Oct 11 15:46:04 I have one, but don't like to use graphics for that Oct 11 15:46:17 gpm is a red herring, it's linux console only Oct 11 15:46:22 xterm has its own mouse support Oct 11 15:46:27 in this moment, for 5 shells, I must to have graphics Oct 11 15:46:36 gpm works fine in links2 browser - http://pupnik.de/links2.html Oct 11 15:46:40 no linux, bsd Oct 11 15:46:55 but xorg should be the same Oct 11 15:47:01 Weird that sometimes the hildon widget messes up like in my last entry Oct 11 15:47:22 Damn. Deafault browser doesn't work. How to uninstall a package with apt- ? Oct 11 15:47:57 apt-get remove ... Oct 11 15:48:25 he would make in unusable Oct 11 15:48:37 maybe from teh command line Oct 11 15:49:25 Devamax, does 800 have ps or something? Oct 11 15:49:30 yes Oct 11 15:49:51 do you have opened something liek browser? Oct 11 15:50:14 I try to open a deafault one, but it crashes Oct 11 15:50:45 could you try to find processes on the device? Oct 11 15:51:00 ps aux or ps -ef Oct 11 15:51:08 Yeah, but what procr Oct 11 15:51:19 *processes should I find? Oct 11 15:51:26 dunno Oct 11 15:51:37 maybe it is open already and does something Oct 11 15:51:48 if it memorizes the session... Oct 11 15:53:20 if you find browser proc, just kill -9 id Oct 11 15:53:52 or some connection outbound Oct 11 15:54:13 Trying Oct 11 15:54:28 a long list? Oct 11 15:55:07 add | grep browser or simmilar Oct 11 15:55:36 Hm... I've done the following thing - removed from console a package I nstalled ( osso-browser-opera-somethingels ) and now it works Oct 11 15:55:44 Very odd )). Oct 11 15:56:03 :) Oct 11 15:56:27 maybe you should change order in your path Oct 11 15:56:29 Err.. actually, not quite. I'll try to reboot... Oct 11 15:58:30 No, now it starts, doesn't load pages and crshes in a couple of minutes Oct 11 15:58:59 could you call it from command line? Oct 11 15:59:06 nope Oct 11 15:59:46 someone could point you to the binary, to manualy change it in /bin or whatever Oct 11 16:00:28 how is it called on 800? Oct 11 16:00:36 osso-browser? Oct 11 16:01:44 I'm afraid I dont know... it is written just "web" on an icon Oct 11 16:01:58 Look at the service file. Oct 11 16:02:07 hm, if osso-browser: Oct 11 16:02:16 which oso-browser Oct 11 16:02:21 then: Oct 11 16:02:34 ls -l /bin/osso-browser Oct 11 16:02:44 maybe you don't have binary file Oct 11 16:03:13 I cant find something conserning browser in /bin Oct 11 16:03:22 just sh commands there Oct 11 16:03:30 has anyone looked at adding more gstreamer components, so it can play things like divx? Oct 11 16:03:54 Devaman, install minimo and try from there Oct 11 16:04:22 or someone knows correct rep for osso-browser Oct 11 16:04:49 Devamax: most of the stuff is in /usr/bin Oct 11 16:06:30 How to install it? I dont have minimo in repository, and microB needs some library Oct 11 16:07:16 I found minimo on brasilian site Oct 11 16:07:40 Devamax, dbus-send --dest=com.nokia.osso_browser /usr/bin/browser com.nokia.osso_browser Oct 11 16:07:43 That will start the browser. Oct 11 16:08:01 Thanks, I'll try now! Oct 11 16:10:55 The same thing((( Oct 11 16:10:58 crashes Oct 11 16:12:53 What crashes? Oct 11 16:13:04 browser Oct 11 16:13:04 <_Monkey> browser is, like, open sources Oct 11 16:13:32 is /usr/bin/browser a link? Oct 11 16:14:43 Yes Oct 11 16:14:45 Try this: dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.osso_browser /com/nokia/osso_browser/request com.nokia.osso_browser.open_new_window Oct 11 16:14:50 to maemo invoker Oct 11 16:14:59 Yup, same for me. Oct 11 16:16:07 Is it possible to reinstall it (browser) Oct 11 16:16:08 ? Oct 11 16:16:59 maybe you just broke a link Oct 11 16:17:19 alterego's way sounds fine Oct 11 16:17:26 Trying it Oct 11 16:20:32 It launches, but does'nt loadages Oct 11 16:20:55 and now it's crashed((( Oct 11 16:22:28 what is memory footprint of opera - minimo - microb ? I've read about slowlyness of last two Oct 11 16:28:01 I think I have to reflash )) Is it difficult? Oct 11 16:29:44 no, but why not try to solve the problem? Oct 11 16:30:09 Heh ) I don' know how to ). Oct 11 16:30:37 if you could install another browser, point /usr/bin/browser to it... Oct 11 16:31:17 I just saw thread with similar prob Oct 11 16:31:31 Could you give a link? Oct 11 16:31:55 people said it should be changed in .browser hidden from false to true Oct 11 16:32:34 I closed the site already Oct 11 16:34:05 Hidden? ) what do you mean? Oct 11 16:34:47 dunno, I recall it from the page Oct 11 16:35:05 and cannot find the site now Oct 11 16:35:14 :((( Oct 11 16:35:17 that sounds completely unrelated, but maybe it's just me Oct 11 16:36:12 gossamer-threads.com Oct 11 16:36:21 cannot remember the exact link Oct 11 16:36:42 Thank's I'll search it! Oct 11 16:37:22 lists/maemo/developers/27759 Oct 11 16:37:41 I don't think you mentioned how it broke Oct 11 16:38:01 something about apt-get but not what you did with it Oct 11 16:38:08 or something else Oct 11 16:38:11 It broke after I installed opera with apt get Oct 11 16:38:18 and probably after reboot Oct 11 16:38:32 I think also that Devamax broke some dependency Oct 11 16:38:58 maybe some new lib Oct 11 16:39:22 Devamax, what os version and what rep version? Oct 11 16:39:31 uh, how do I transfer a file via bluetooth? Oct 11 16:39:36 * Tak|work bluetooth noob Oct 11 16:39:51 os is 3.2007.10-7 Oct 11 16:39:58 rep? Oct 11 16:40:01 ok so upgraded some random package that has somewhat incomplete dependecy information and probably isn't visible through app manager anyhow Oct 11 16:40:04 rep... how to check it? Oct 11 16:40:19 Devamax: you should flash a newer release anyway Oct 11 16:40:25 rep list Oct 11 16:40:39 * zoran bbl Oct 11 16:42:26 well, i've dowloaded and installe Oct 11 16:42:29 dd Oct 11 16:42:55 afaiui there are cases where upgrading some browser related package without upgrading some other one could break things Oct 11 16:43:24 Will reflashing help? Oct 11 16:43:49 of course Oct 11 16:44:05 you want 4.2007.38 for your N800 anyway Oct 11 16:44:20 various fixes and whatnow Oct 11 16:44:28 whatnot even Oct 11 16:44:33 * alterego wants to install chinook. Oct 11 16:44:35 oh I see. Thanx! Oct 11 16:44:57 I wounder if there's russian version of this flash Oct 11 16:45:53 afaiui there are no separate versions Oct 11 16:46:54 Well, mine is russ - although maybe lang can be switched in prefs somewhere Oct 11 16:49:25 Hm, I've installed with apt-get install osso-browser-opera-eal and it seems, with no errors, but how to launch it? no opera related files in /usr/bin Oct 11 16:49:43 Devamax, what are you doing? Oct 11 16:49:58 If you want to launch the browser, then click on the menu item. Oct 11 16:50:24 browser crashes Oct 11 16:50:31 with intrernal error Oct 11 16:50:41 "installing browser-eal or tablet-browser-controls (which depends on browser-eal) without installing tablet-browser-ui and friends breaks the browser" quoth a bugzilla bug summary Oct 11 16:50:44 Ok, reflash Oct 11 16:51:04 but since you're upgrading anyway, that's academic until you break it again ;) Oct 11 16:51:06 Have you tried launching it from both points? The bookmark plugin and the applications menu? Oct 11 16:51:24 Yes Oct 11 16:51:57 Devamax: yeah language is in the first startup wizard and in the control panel Oct 11 16:52:10 russian Oct 11 16:52:20 ...is included Oct 11 16:52:40 ugh, finally figured it out Oct 11 16:52:59 Figured what :) ? Oct 11 16:53:23 bluetooth file transfer Oct 11 16:54:06 * Devamax wonders if he installs other opera dependenses, will in work?.. Oct 11 16:55:15 * Devamax got used to gentoo :) just "emerge package" and forget about dependaces nightmare Oct 11 16:56:08 the theory of stuff not breaking should hold pretty well for appmanager default mode Oct 11 16:56:37 beyond that there's some chance of versioned-dependency mishaps I suppose Oct 11 16:56:57 Yeah... I can see it NOW Oct 11 16:57:03 :)))))))))0 Oct 11 16:57:04 :0 Oct 11 16:57:10 :). Oct 11 16:57:28 Thank you guys for help anyway Oct 11 16:57:39 I'll Refla Oct 11 16:57:43 btw Devamax i had the exact same problem Oct 11 16:57:50 reflash it tomorrow Oct 11 16:58:00 started after i updated some browser stuff through the repository Oct 11 16:58:00 how did you fixed it? Oct 11 16:58:07 now browser crashes on startup Oct 11 16:58:10 i havnt :( Oct 11 16:58:18 reflash for me also Oct 11 16:58:24 :))) Oct 11 16:59:16 the bug summary seems to imply installing "tablet-browser-ui and friends" could help at that point :) Oct 11 16:59:35 but, dunno Oct 11 16:59:47 ill just reflash Oct 11 16:59:48 a lot easier Oct 11 17:00:01 In theory, does PC Debian versions resolve dependances automatically? Oct 11 17:00:21 no, the package maintainers try to mark dependencies correctly and sometimes fail Oct 11 17:00:43 (sure there is some automation to that end of the work afaiui but...) Oct 11 17:01:32 From this point of view, port-based *nix are better ( gentoo, freebsd ) Oct 11 17:01:51 in theory they never fail of course Oct 11 17:02:12 nor in practice to any really noticeable extent Oct 11 17:03:24 * sp3000 expects ports version dep tracking to not really differ, but icbw Oct 11 17:04:06 Well, I've newer had problens with dependances on gentoo. In FreeBSD, sometimes. Oct 11 17:09:48 any information about chinook? Oct 11 17:09:52 i mean, any release date? Oct 11 17:10:29 nokia's policy appears to be "if we never announce release dates in advance, we won't lose face if we're forced to delay them" Oct 11 17:10:41 * mgedmin is not a nokian, so this is complete speculation Oct 11 17:11:18 eheh Oct 11 17:11:19 it can be Oct 11 17:12:01 or they don't have dates Oct 11 17:12:22 or have but don't think of them as achievable Oct 11 17:12:45 i guess that they just release when ready Oct 11 17:13:07 and announce when releasing Oct 11 17:17:59 that would still be (much) better than announcing a release date 4 years in advance, and still managing to miss the release date - as does Microsoft. Oct 11 17:23:01 Devamax: The reason I switched to Debian a few years back was to get out of the dependency hell. It does resolve them automatically and the tools can. The difference with maemo is that when you install stuff, you mostly have to get it from unofficial repositories. Oct 11 17:23:26 debian has nearly everything you could need in the official repositories Oct 11 17:23:39 same as gentoo I suppose. Oct 11 17:24:17 Yeah. Oct 11 17:24:53 if there was a centralized repository with rules in place like debian's, dependency problems would pretty much vanish. Oct 11 17:25:13 that's true Oct 11 17:25:31 there basically is, but everybody ignores it Oct 11 17:25:41 mud-builder? Oct 11 17:25:42 <_Monkey> rumour has it mud-builder is "Maemo Unofficial Debs" - an autobuilder for simple source ports that hosts them in a single repository. http://mud-builder.garage.maemo.org/index.php Forum at http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10279 Oct 11 17:25:43 and it's made easy to ignore. Oct 11 17:26:40 what does mud stand for? i keep thinking multi-user dungeons Oct 11 17:27:00 maemo user something i think Oct 11 17:27:13 erm. "Maemo Unofficial Debs" Oct 11 17:28:20 heh Oct 11 17:28:20 there's also Maemo Extras which is sort-of official Oct 11 17:28:25 no, I mean maemo extras Oct 11 17:29:14 it's too easy to ignore so it gets ignored. Oct 11 17:30:00 how is the ease of ignorability any different than with the debian repos? Oct 11 17:31:10 the .install files I think Oct 11 17:31:12 maemo extras isn't official. it's just "hard to get access to" and "hard to configure" :P Oct 11 17:31:27 hard to get access? Oct 11 17:31:33 erm, i'm talking about garage extras Oct 11 17:31:42 compared to debian? Oct 11 17:32:09 hard to get access = you mail the garage maintainer and he sets you up with a garage repo "invitation" which then you upload your pgp and ssh keys Oct 11 17:32:16 <|R> Tak|work : what did you corect in fceu bora4-b ? i didn't get the weird doubling since the first time though... Oct 11 17:33:05 but there's no mechanism to check the debs, once you're inside you can upload anything (provided you sign the deb first) Oct 11 17:33:29 |R: try something for the initial button show, doublecheck that doubling is disabled on shutdown Oct 11 17:34:07 <|R> ok, first part didn't work Oct 11 17:34:13 :-/ Oct 11 17:36:28 <|R> i have to hit home, cancel, and then tap de game screen, start, game screen and it refreshes Oct 11 17:36:31 <|R> go figure :) Oct 11 17:36:45 <|R> the button are "their" though.. Oct 11 17:37:27 <|R> there Oct 11 17:37:28 <|R> argh Oct 11 17:37:47 * |R and his english ;) Oct 11 17:39:28 hm - if you just start playing, they never draw themselves? Oct 11 17:39:48 <|R> let me see... Oct 11 17:40:44 <|R> doesn't look like it Oct 11 17:41:33 <|R> nop played and quited after and they never showed up Oct 11 17:41:38 <|R> gotta leave again, ttyl :) Oct 11 17:43:08 bye chaps Oct 11 17:44:05 Has anyone used GtkTreeView in a maemo app yet? Oct 11 17:45:48 * Tak|work shudders Oct 11 17:46:04 difficult enough to navigate with a standard mouse Oct 11 17:46:17 O_o Oct 11 17:47:34 Guys, reflashing destroy all files on filesystem? Should I pull out sd cards? Oct 11 17:47:50 it only affects the internal flash Oct 11 17:48:02 Devamax, you shouldn't have to, but if it makes you feel more secure do it :P Oct 11 17:48:32 Internal - you mean built-in, do you? Oct 11 17:49:19 He means _inside_ the device. Oct 11 17:49:30 The flash memory that stores the OS. Oct 11 17:49:41 yeh, i meant it Oct 11 17:49:48 Thank you! Oct 11 18:04:25 is there a way to derive a HildonWindow from a GtkWindow? Oct 11 18:15:50 Tak|work: it already is derived from a GtkWindow Oct 11 18:16:08 would anyone have any idea what "Global symbol "$me" requires explicit package name at /scratchbox/devkits/debian-lenny/bin/dpkg-checkbuilddeps line 82." means? I'm trying to make a debian package (with 'make deb'), and it has worked perfectly for a very long time, but now it suddenly stopped working with that error message Oct 11 18:17:00 Damn again. I'v left usb cabel at home. Now I have to work instead of reflashing :))). Oct 11 18:18:24 Okay, I wasn't going crazy .. Oct 11 18:18:39 Maemo Gtk has disabled the arrows in GtkTreeView! Oct 11 18:19:39 alterego: see maemopadplus source on how to circumvent that (it's basically installing a gtkrc file and calling a gtk func) Oct 11 18:20:05 so... is it just because I happened to install the debian-lenny devkit? The same files compile perfectly into a deb package on another computer Oct 11 18:20:20 how can I remove installed devkits from a target? Oct 11 18:20:40 * alterego wonders whether that changes in chinook. Oct 11 18:20:52 :/ Oct 11 18:20:56 Damn connection. Oct 11 18:21:38 nomis: I mean, given a GtkWindow instance, to create a HildonWindow instance using it Oct 11 18:22:39 disq, right. It doesn't really matter. I thought there was something broken in my ruby bindings :/ Oct 11 18:23:13 no, it's just maemo that's broken Oct 11 18:23:24 I was hoping that was the case :) Oct 11 18:24:25 Well, now I've sorted that .. Oct 11 18:24:57 * alterego starts writing some build scripts to automate building of ruby-maemo for all dists and architectures :) Oct 11 18:28:00 hola Oct 11 18:28:00 <_Monkey> privet, celesteh Oct 11 18:28:29 Tut i nashi est :). Oct 11 18:28:40 ok... I just needed to 'setup' the target again. It removed the old devkits if I didn't choose them Oct 11 18:35:21 what's broken packages? Oct 11 18:36:18 I recieve an error "package unistallable" and "E: Boken packages" errors. Oct 11 18:39:57 Tak|work: no, that is not possible. Oct 11 18:40:07 Tak|work: at least not with a *lot* of poking around. Oct 11 18:40:42 Tak|work: do you have control over the code creating the GtkWindow? Oct 11 18:40:58 heh - what I've done for now is reparent the window's child to a HildonWindow Oct 11 18:41:30 nomis: I'm using libglade :-/ Oct 11 18:42:13 I wish hildon automagically rendered GtkSpinButtons as HildonNumberEditors Oct 11 18:43:05 Tak|work: I was about to suggest something similiar: omit the creation of the GtkWindow and just create the container. Oct 11 18:43:17 Tak|work: using libglade of course then is shooting yourself in the foot. Oct 11 18:46:31 meh Oct 11 18:47:02 manually writing hundreds of lines of gtk boilerplate is shooting myself in both feet Oct 11 18:47:17 actually I don't know libglade, maybe it allows you to create a sub-tree of your widget hierarchy Oct 11 18:51:19 My HDD just crashed ^_^ Oct 11 18:51:27 That's never happened to me before. Oct 11 18:51:39 there's always the first time Oct 11 18:51:43 totally dead? Oct 11 18:51:47 Yup Oct 11 18:51:51 Just had to replace it. Oct 11 18:51:55 doesn't spin? Oct 11 18:52:07 what I would *really* like to do is create an alternate glade layout using a hildonwindow and some hildonnumbereditors, but libglade won't see a HildonWindow if I drop it in Oct 11 18:52:41 gla55, nope. Dead as a door post. It clicked and died. Oct 11 18:55:11 I tapped it, hit it a bit harder but still no life. Oct 11 18:55:14 alterego: tried the freezer method(if it's stuck bearings)? i never had anyone i knew try it Oct 11 18:55:17 Oh well, luck I had a space. Oct 11 18:55:19 ~spare Oct 11 18:55:30 hmm - sardine will have libglade-hildon :-/ Oct 11 18:55:58 gla55, I might experiment wih that if I get the time. Oct 11 18:56:06 Not really any point. I've not lost anything. Oct 11 18:56:34 dunno if i'd bother either if i hadnt lost anything Oct 11 18:56:47 Well, it might be interesting to see if it works. Oct 11 18:56:55 yeah Oct 11 18:56:56 I've always wondered about that freezer thing .. Oct 11 18:57:09 And this is the first time I've had a hard drive fail on me. Oct 11 18:58:02 i havent had no spins Oct 11 18:58:14 just things like one hd that apparently one disk surface shot etc Oct 11 18:58:23 Weird. Oct 11 18:58:54 My dad used to use a drive that every now-and-again stuck. So you had to hit it pretty hard to get it to unstick and spin up. Oct 11 18:59:02 heh Oct 11 18:59:04 That drive is still in use today I believe. Oct 11 18:59:18 :) Oct 11 18:59:22 dunno if i'd use it for actually storing anything Oct 11 18:59:26 Probably only a 250Mb if that. Oct 11 18:59:36 heh Oct 11 19:00:13 and i'd go on using pretty crap hw Oct 11 19:00:45 I've got what I'd like to call a "distributed filesystem". It basically works in a similar fashion to me having say, 10 bedrooms. Oct 11 19:00:54 You see, _I_ know where everything is :) Oct 11 19:01:07 And there are multiples of multiples everywhere. Oct 11 19:01:09 my current choice of usb disk http://www.flickr.com/photos/glasslife/1506470813/ Oct 11 19:01:30 Also, I have revision control, because at least one of my machines will have an old version of a file. Oct 11 19:01:45 So I'm sorted ^_^ Oct 11 19:02:04 Yeeeeee I've installed another brouther). Oct 11 19:02:08 browser Oct 11 19:02:09 <_Monkey> i guess browser is open sources Oct 11 19:02:11 I mean). Oct 11 19:02:23 * alterego wonders what files he needs in his debian directory. Oct 11 19:03:49 Guys, how to make icons on the desctop? some soft ala linux fbicons? Oct 11 19:04:32 Devamax, look for "IDEA!" Oct 11 19:04:54 It's a neat desklet that allows you to make launcher buttons. Oct 11 19:05:20 Thank you! Oct 11 19:06:43 Oh my god. There's apache and bind in repository... it can be a web and dns server 0_o I wounder about php and mysql ))) And I'll have LAMP on a palm ))))))). Oct 11 19:08:57 Devamax, yes, all that is available. Oct 11 19:09:07 Not that I'd recommend it :P Oct 11 19:09:34 But the fact itself is... empressive, I would say ))). Oct 11 19:09:42 or impressive ). Oct 11 19:11:58 I'd say it's more interesting :P Oct 11 19:12:19 Sure, I can understand wanting to have a HTTP server on the device. But Apache? Oct 11 19:12:49 The DNS server I don't get. Though probably because I'm not doing any weird networking things with my devices. Oct 11 19:18:01 <|R> Tak|work : you've got mail! haha ;) Oct 11 19:18:19 Well, the point is - you can get with linux what you'll never get with win. Oct 11 19:18:28 On such devices. Oct 11 19:20:52 damn. Oct 11 19:22:25 BTW, in Moscow nokia sd cards cost 100$ for 2 GB, and, for exaple, kingston 2GB cards - only 30$. I've bought one nokia and one kingston - and I don't feel any difference for now. Is it market specific question, or nokia cards a really better? Oct 11 19:25:36 probably not any better Oct 11 19:25:40 it reads nokia though Oct 11 19:25:55 some people want to buy brand in everything so "it'll work for sure" or whatever Oct 11 19:26:16 kingston is also rather famous brand// Oct 11 19:26:25 ram and so on... Oct 11 19:27:35 yeah it's a good brand, but it's not a kingston device you were buying it for. i guess the logic being here that nokia provides nokia cards to whoever wants to buy them Oct 11 19:27:54 probably :). Oct 11 19:34:44 <|R> and it's probably rebranded anyway :P Oct 11 19:36:30 of course Oct 11 19:36:42 <|R> (from kingston haha ;) Oct 11 19:37:45 [14:28] probably not any better Oct 11 19:37:45 [14:28] it reads nokia though Oct 11 19:37:45 [14:28] some people want to buy brand in everything so "it'll work for sure" or whatever Oct 11 19:37:48 oops Oct 11 19:37:56 :S Oct 11 19:55:05 * |R wish busybox would support ctrl-r Oct 11 20:17:15 <|R> haha Oct 11 20:19:54 <|R> 2 sec, restarting :P Oct 11 20:26:47 <|R> :) Oct 11 21:15:05 anybody know if there's a SIRF III compatible gps daemon for debian? Oct 11 21:15:37 cause I'm runnin down somewhere but I'm taking a different route and would love to have my gps but was windows based and .net 2.0 Oct 11 21:16:44 http://osdir.com/ml/hardware.gps.gpsd.devel/2005-12/msg00011.html Oct 11 21:16:46 lawlz Oct 11 21:17:39 <|R> :] Oct 11 21:22:22 Does the amount of swap u dedicate for virtual mem only depend on the size of the memory card? Oct 11 21:22:52 no, there are hard limits - 64MB on 770 and 128MB on N800 Oct 11 21:23:11 Or does the os put a limitation on it? Oct 11 21:23:36 even if you have a 2GB partition on an N800, you still won't be allowed to create a swap file larger than 128MB Oct 11 21:24:11 Do u know why that is? Is it to save cpu/battery life? Oct 11 21:24:49 you might be able to create a swap file larger than 128MB manually, but I think the device will crash; you may have more luck with a swap partition >128MB, but then you can't unmount the card (which basically means you can't remove the battery cover while the device is booted) Oct 11 21:25:15 umm incorrect Oct 11 21:25:21 Formal: I don't why the limits are there, but it's probably no coincidence that the maximum swap file size matches the amount of physical ram on each device Oct 11 21:25:28 suijkilokki: probably :) Oct 11 21:25:53 s/suijkilokki/suihkulokki/ Oct 11 21:25:54 milhouse meant: suihkulokki: probably :) Oct 11 21:25:54 you can create as big swapfile as you want, if you do it by hand Oct 11 21:26:16 and it will get automatically used/unused if you call it .swap Oct 11 21:26:25 i think i've seen people say they've done this, and the devices crap out Oct 11 21:26:48 however, big swapfiles are not really usefull Oct 11 21:27:11 if your system ends up trashing hard, it come slow as hell Oct 11 21:27:19 Thanks guys, i've been wondering about this, but i still haven't received my new mem card Oct 11 21:27:41 if you've got an N800... make sure you have the new kernel :) Oct 11 21:27:44 Just means more storage for media Oct 11 21:28:02 770 for me Oct 11 21:28:20 770 has a kernel for highspeed/2GB memorycards Oct 11 21:28:24 just installed it last night Oct 11 21:28:38 fastfastfast Oct 11 21:28:52 Sweet, thats what's on the way Oct 11 21:29:10 well, you have to install the kernel Oct 11 21:29:20 flash* Oct 11 21:29:28 * tb0n3 flashes his kernel Oct 11 21:29:31 woooooo Oct 11 21:29:39 What version is it? Oct 11 21:29:50 don't remember, 1 second Oct 11 21:30:10 zImage-su-18-200639-2gb-mmcplus52Mhz is the file Oct 11 21:30:30 only for the mmcmobile I think though Oct 11 21:31:17 Alrighty can the file be found in the maemo garage? Oct 11 21:31:39 fanoush Oct 11 21:31:39 <_Monkey> has many hacks on his website http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo Oct 11 21:31:44 check there ^ Oct 11 21:31:54 there we go Oct 11 21:31:56 didn't remember Oct 11 21:32:04 Thanks Oct 11 21:32:39 though there's a hannoushe jewelers around here, don't know if I'm spelling that right. Oct 11 21:33:12 Fanoush is a jewel in the NIT hacking community... (sorry) Oct 11 21:33:26 I've only had my 770 for a week, but i've been rather busy putting together a theme Oct 11 21:33:38 already? Oct 11 21:33:56 I'll post em when they are complete Oct 11 21:34:41 I'm quite please with the little device Oct 11 21:35:19 Just wish i had some programming skills Oct 11 21:36:00 ...Damn all that time in rt school! Oct 11 21:36:17 - Oct 11 21:39:17 uh fan... is a serious hacker Oct 11 21:39:22 we don't have many of those Oct 11 21:41:00 Has anybody tried recruiting some of the developers from jlime720? Oct 11 21:41:23 They are all a hard working bunch Oct 11 21:41:40 720 = ? Oct 11 21:42:06 HP Jornada 720 Oct 11 21:43:16 Yeah, who needs serious hackers when you have idiots like me! :) Oct 11 21:43:25 * alterego foams at the mouf Oct 11 21:43:26 so, the archos 605 looks neat Oct 11 21:45:19 is it hard to code bluetooth stuff with python fpr n800? Oct 11 21:46:02 playya, be the first and tell us ;) Oct 11 21:46:21 that sounds funny Oct 11 21:46:39 That's odd, my jokes are usually rubbish .. Oct 11 21:46:41 playya: have you coded bluetooth stuff on your pc? Oct 11 21:46:43 but i first i buy good python book Oct 11 21:46:55 i dont think so Oct 11 21:47:39 playya: http://org.csail.mit.edu/pybluez/ Oct 11 21:47:58 ok thx Oct 11 21:48:13 playya: it should be as easy/hard to develop pybluez stuff on pc than on n800. the api is same. Oct 11 21:48:16 thinking about a n800 remote tool for mms Oct 11 21:48:22 mms? Oct 11 21:48:34 mymediasystem,org Oct 11 21:49:13 That 605 does look kinda fun Oct 11 21:49:46 nice but too expensive Oct 11 21:49:56 my next device is a openmoko Oct 11 21:50:25 What does it cost? Oct 11 21:50:45 450$ Oct 11 21:51:13 $300 for openmoko Oct 11 21:51:16 +shipping Oct 11 21:51:17 with dev Oct 11 21:51:25 that's what I read last on their site Oct 11 21:51:46 $300 for the pre relaesed dev version without gsm, umts, wlan,... Oct 11 21:52:02 and all 150 devices are sold Oct 11 21:52:25 alterego: you've done very useful stuff in a short time Oct 11 21:52:28 Open moko seems cool, but i just want an asus eee Oct 11 21:52:50 :O Oct 11 21:53:04 i want the next n800 Oct 11 21:53:08 asus eee Oct 11 21:53:08 lulz Oct 11 21:53:19 they didn't keep their promises Oct 11 21:53:34 And u laugh because? Oct 11 21:53:49 asus doesn't fit in pocket, nokia does Oct 11 21:53:49 eeePc is with win? Oct 11 21:54:00 Yah thts what made me get a 770 Oct 11 21:54:38 Eeepc come with some linux distro to start out Oct 11 21:54:57 nothing... nothing comes close to a nokia for me Oct 11 21:55:06 You can install win if u wanted Oct 11 21:55:09 yet :) Oct 11 21:55:26 4GB hdd Oct 11 21:55:27 s/yet/@pupnik: yet/ Oct 11 21:55:27 milhouse meant: @pupnik: yet :) Oct 11 21:55:34 yeah i know Oct 11 21:55:46 also, they laughed at their low prices and said woops Oct 11 21:55:49 they will get competition in 2008 Oct 11 21:55:51 The new 800 would be nice...no more virtual keyboard Oct 11 21:56:04 come on 2008... hurry up!! Oct 11 21:56:04 really? Oct 11 21:56:47 yes check the intel roadmap - the bastards will have almost-useful portable cpus in 2008 and 2009 Oct 11 21:57:00 I dunno what i would do with my 770 when it does come out Oct 11 21:57:29 i like to fondle mine from time to time (my 770 that is) Oct 11 21:57:38 mmmm, 770 Oct 11 21:57:45 Heh Oct 11 21:57:46 never selling mine Oct 11 21:57:50 it reminds me how fugly and heavy the N800 is, and how I miss the hard cover... Oct 11 21:57:51 For $130 new i couldn't pass it up Oct 11 21:57:56 I never can figure out what to do with the case when I wanna use it right Oct 11 21:58:00 same here Oct 11 21:58:02 mine is priceless :) Oct 11 21:58:09 mine was 140 but with 1GB mmcmobile card Oct 11 21:58:12 i have a logitech diNovo right to my n800 Oct 11 21:58:25 lol Oct 11 21:58:28 carry around much? Oct 11 21:58:29 :P Oct 11 21:58:42 I wish I had the money to get a bluetooth portable keyboard Oct 11 21:58:58 also a zaurus cl-r3200 Oct 11 21:59:03 I'm not sure I'd have a use for a BT keyboard. Oct 11 21:59:03 i bought one of those - stopped using it within the first week Oct 11 21:59:11 Im not allowed to carry the n800 Oct 11 21:59:14 I don't do much typing on the device. Oct 11 21:59:15 errr Oct 11 21:59:16 Mmc cards are way to hard to find in stores Oct 11 21:59:18 SL-C3200 Oct 11 21:59:54 Have u ever played aound with a zaurus? Oct 11 21:59:55 zaurus was nice but $800 Oct 11 21:59:55 it was too much hassle to unpack the bt keyboard (it's a stowaway sierra folding job) and easier to use the vkb Oct 11 22:00:22 no, never used a zaurus Oct 11 22:00:30 but it was my other choice before I saw the 770 Oct 11 22:00:38 well, the SL-5000 Oct 11 22:00:40 a friend of mine has an old one Oct 11 22:00:48 err 5500 Oct 11 22:00:51 jesus Oct 11 22:01:18 built in keyboard and such Oct 11 22:01:19 http://www.twinsbyte.de/hardware/reviews_07/logitech_dinovo_edge/picview.php?image=4.jpg Oct 11 22:01:23 very nice Oct 11 22:01:36 The price always kept me away from the zaurus Oct 11 22:01:51 I'm ruff with portables Oct 11 22:01:55 and zaurus ars only available in japan :( Oct 11 22:01:57 if I won the lottery I would have soooooo much shit I wouldn't have a day without something new Oct 11 22:02:14 i love portables too Oct 11 22:02:23 just playing coding... Oct 11 22:02:33 I've got myself a PSPcf Oct 11 22:02:43 which is nice, but now I have me a 770 Oct 11 22:02:49 www.dynamism.com is a good importer Oct 11 22:02:49 psp is too expensive Oct 11 22:02:53 ha Oct 11 22:03:04 I play me sum free games Oct 11 22:03:08 for free Oct 11 22:03:15 at least u get a warrenty Oct 11 22:03:19 also FF7 Oct 11 22:03:35 I have never broken anything I've owned Oct 11 22:03:36 lol Oct 11 22:03:44 unless I took it apart Oct 11 22:03:51 Lucky you! Oct 11 22:04:02 <3 taking things apart Oct 11 22:04:26 Anyone know if they have kdm or gdm compiled for n770/800 so one can pick between the native window manager, XFCE and KDE via a nice gui? Oct 11 22:05:05 what about keyboard? Oct 11 22:05:27 it just seems like it wouldn't work better than the original Oct 11 22:05:40 err the n800 has a special X server Oct 11 22:05:54 It's special? Oct 11 22:05:55 might be hard to build this Oct 11 22:06:08 i dont know how to say Oct 11 22:06:49 adjusted X Oct 11 22:06:54 better word Oct 11 22:07:46 yes but the xserver is independent from the windowmanager Oct 11 22:08:47 yes Oct 11 22:09:11 i thought about porting e but not at the moment Oct 11 22:10:11 hi Oct 11 22:12:42 if I felt like getting used to e I'm sure I'd like it Oct 11 22:12:51 but I like to have a manual Oct 11 22:17:56 I don't see the alure of E Oct 11 22:18:01 I'm happy with Gnome. Oct 11 22:18:10 In fact, I lurve gnome :P Oct 11 22:20:58 I love xfce Oct 11 22:21:08 it is gnome lite Oct 11 22:21:09 lol Oct 11 22:23:44 playya: there are several e libs ported already I think. Some people are doing fancy stuff with them. Oct 11 22:24:37 playya: like this one http://blog.gustavobarbieri.com.br/2007/07/24/iphone-like-virtual-keyboard-for-n800/ Oct 11 22:24:56 :-) Oct 11 22:24:57 it's me Oct 11 22:25:04 hmpf Oct 11 22:25:11 770 has crashed trying to install kagu Oct 11 22:25:40 its making the noises when i press the touchscreen but everything else is locked up Oct 11 22:26:14 should i just pull the battery? Oct 11 22:26:38 press power button for 6 seconds Oct 11 22:26:38 wait Oct 11 22:26:43 that never works pup Oct 11 22:26:44 :( Oct 11 22:26:53 works here Oct 11 22:27:18 ooh just as i pressed it Oct 11 22:27:28 the bar started moving again Oct 11 22:30:11 great, now kagu scanner is doing nothing Oct 11 22:30:12 :| Oct 11 22:32:03 oh it is, its crashing my tablet :D Oct 11 22:32:52 it just rebooted itself Oct 11 22:32:55 Kagu wouldn't work for me either. Canola works great Oct 11 22:33:04 canola locked up on me too Oct 11 22:33:08 refused to scan Oct 11 22:33:16 it worked a couple weeks ago though Oct 11 22:33:45 how do I set device permissions? Oct 11 22:33:59 in debian/ubuntu Oct 11 22:34:03 amr: canola-conf may hang if you have some id3/exif that breaks it Oct 11 22:34:15 amr: we have no protection against that :-( Oct 11 22:34:44 ah Oct 11 22:34:56 hm, how do i check without going through each file Oct 11 22:35:20 Anyone working on hildon integration with glade yet? Oct 11 22:35:26 (think I might do it myself) Oct 11 22:35:56 pygame error: couldn't open /home/user/.kagu/album_cache.tga Oct 11 22:35:58 and kagu bombs Oct 11 22:36:08 im having all the luck in the world ^__^ Oct 11 22:40:25 wonder why kagu won't work Oct 11 22:40:37 you're trying 1.0.8, right? Oct 11 22:40:42 yes Oct 11 22:40:57 ill try wiping the files i added to my card recently Oct 11 22:41:05 if kagu-scanner doesn't finish properly it won't really work though Oct 11 22:41:20 yeah, it forced a reboot Oct 11 22:41:22 you should find out why scanner won't work. there should be a crash log in MyDocs Oct 11 22:41:28 oh ok Oct 11 22:41:53 man, make verbose is just too much Oct 11 22:42:47 kagu-lastcrash Oct 11 22:42:48 here we go Oct 11 22:42:55 haha, unable to open Oct 11 22:43:02 kaguscanner-lastcrash is for the scanner Oct 11 22:43:17 oic Oct 11 22:43:50 if there's something there, try pastebin.ca (or you could spam #kagu as well :) ) Oct 11 22:44:13 kagu-lastcrash.log in MyDocs Oct 11 22:44:20 same error as i posted above Oct 11 22:44:28 pygame error: couldn't open /home/user/.kagu/album_cache.tga Oct 11 22:44:30 no kaguscanner-lastcrash.log? when you run scanner what happens? Oct 11 22:45:12 it presents me with the dialog, download album art etc Oct 11 22:45:13 i press ok Oct 11 22:45:21 it says scanning /media/mmc1 Oct 11 22:45:25 then it just locks up Oct 11 22:46:24 i think i might have removed the offending files Oct 11 22:46:25 ill try again Oct 11 22:46:42 im assuming its the same error as canola Oct 11 22:46:42 you could run "cd /usr/lib/kagu; ./kagu-scanner.py" from xterm and follow it there. there should be verbose messages so it should help Oct 11 22:46:57 ok ill try it after this scan now Oct 11 22:47:01 ok :) Oct 11 22:47:16 no progress bar activity, just displaying 'looking for files in /media/mmc1/ Oct 11 22:47:43 canola's id3 stuff doesn't work flawlessly for me. misses some tags and all. kagu uses a different lib Oct 11 22:47:44 amr: you can disable canola-applet, kill canola-conf and run it with debug Oct 11 22:48:03 amr: CANOLA_DEBUG=1 canola-conf -v -v -v Oct 11 22:48:10 disq: which lib do u use? Oct 11 22:48:13 ill have to put canola back on Oct 11 22:48:14 mutagen Oct 11 22:48:20 disq: we use maemo's provided library :-( Oct 11 22:48:36 looks like its locked up again Oct 11 22:48:36 disq: we could use the same tech as amarok does Oct 11 22:48:46 disq: have 2 process, one to monitor Oct 11 22:49:04 disq: the scanner process would notify every file it process Oct 11 22:49:08 amr: weird. please try the xterm, if there's a glitch somewhere i'd like to fix it before the next release :) Oct 11 22:49:20 if it takes more than X seconds, then kill the process and restart with the next item in the list Oct 11 22:49:27 possible blacklist that item Oct 11 22:49:49 ok Oct 11 22:49:55 i don't like canola's autoscan on mmc-mount behavior Oct 11 22:50:15 disq: disable it Oct 11 22:50:20 disq: gconf-editor Oct 11 22:50:26 i should, now that i don't use canola at all :P Oct 11 22:50:35 AFAIR it's possible to disable it there Oct 11 22:50:44 :-D Oct 11 22:50:53 you'll like the next version Oct 11 22:50:58 it will be in python too Oct 11 22:51:10 and hopefully we'll be able to accept plugins Oct 11 22:51:29 disabled. mmm. do you have a timeframe? Oct 11 22:51:32 the first version was able, but due license restrictions we couldn't release the header files and like Oct 11 22:51:33 :-( Oct 11 22:51:33 like, in 6 months? 2 years? Oct 11 22:51:50 disq: we should finish it by december, first betas by next year Oct 11 22:51:57 we're slow, but not that much! Oct 11 22:51:59 :-D Oct 11 22:52:07 :P Oct 11 22:52:09 disq: part of the time we spent working on EFL Oct 11 22:52:17 the UI infrastructure we'll use Oct 11 22:52:23 EFL stuff is exciting Oct 11 22:52:25 way better than SDL Oct 11 22:52:41 ok kagu-scanner.py is running Oct 11 22:52:47 preparing, looking for files Oct 11 22:52:48 we'll probably use GTK for 2.0 Oct 11 22:52:48 I'm trying to make python-efl as good as possible Oct 11 22:52:55 disq: :-( Oct 11 22:52:57 exception accessing manager and friends Oct 11 22:53:04 prefs: exception accessing manager and friends Oct 11 22:53:17 thats it so far Oct 11 22:53:19 that's no error :) OK the dialog and go on Oct 11 22:53:30 i did Oct 11 22:53:33 its running now Oct 11 22:53:48 okay.. let's see where it hangs Oct 11 22:54:03 when i minimise the term to go back to the scanner the bar is greyd and the text is gone Oct 11 22:54:06 if that makes any difference Oct 11 22:54:07 Hi all. Oct 11 22:54:08 <_Monkey> Hi all. is there a decent flickr mass uploader for the n800 ye? Oct 11 22:54:29 it's scanner's bad gtk code, something i'm responsible for. shouldn't effect the scanning process Oct 11 22:54:33 ah Oct 11 22:54:34 ok Oct 11 22:54:37 just a quick question, is Maeomo only for Nikia handsets, or will it run on PDA's based on Intel Processors? Oct 11 22:55:18 still going Oct 11 22:55:27 maemo is by definition for "nokia internet tablets" but some parts of maemo will be used in the upcoming Intel MID devices Oct 11 22:55:49 (like the hildon desktop) Oct 11 22:56:02 okies Oct 11 22:56:18 in that case do you kow of a good project that does run on intel based PDA's Oct 11 22:56:29 preferably one that has Cell / SMS working... Oct 11 22:57:28 if you don't then that's ok, i'm just curious and WM6 is far far far too slow.... Oct 11 22:57:39 you mean the windows-mobile devices. nothing comes to mind Oct 11 22:57:52 and it's my only windows based *thing* Oct 11 22:57:56 ok, thanks anyway Oct 11 22:58:30 still scanning :p Oct 11 22:58:54 oh Oct 11 22:58:57 the screen went black Oct 11 22:59:29 now im back to the terminal Oct 11 23:00:48 oh Oct 11 23:00:57 still running Oct 11 23:01:39 maybe it just takes too long. downloading images from last.fm takes a while Oct 11 23:01:47 oh ok Oct 11 23:02:03 actually that might be it, i think my connection is a bit funny Oct 11 23:02:25 shall i end this and try again with no cover downloading? Oct 11 23:02:54 if you can't bear it, yeah sure Oct 11 23:03:16 a ctrl+c won't break anything db-wise Oct 11 23:03:29 well it took me a good dozen times to get the tablet to actually connect to download kagu Oct 11 23:03:42 so i wouldnt be surprised if it cant download cover art Oct 11 23:04:58 now its not responding to input Oct 11 23:05:42 heh, screen backed out again with a grey bar going across Oct 11 23:06:55 just ctrl+c a few times on the xterm Oct 11 23:08:47 yeah im running it again now Oct 11 23:11:11 i should just make the actual scanner a seperate thread Oct 11 23:12:09 lol Oct 11 23:14:31 hm im back to my desktop Oct 11 23:14:43 black title bar, xterm still highlighted on the left Oct 11 23:15:07 blank* title bar Oct 11 23:16:45 if the prompt isn't back on the xterm that means it's still scanning/calculating Oct 11 23:16:52 ok Oct 11 23:17:15 a message box has popped up, but its blank :p Oct 11 23:17:36 that's just weird, shouldn't be :) Oct 11 23:17:48 if it doesn't come back just kill it and try running kagu Oct 11 23:18:18 i cant do anything Oct 11 23:18:32 the left bar has whited out Oct 11 23:18:52 the shortcuts on the right of xterm have been whited Oct 11 23:18:53 memory issues? Oct 11 23:18:58 i have no idea Oct 11 23:19:31 haha, the message was 'not responding' Oct 11 23:19:38 kagu scanner was killed apparently Oct 11 23:19:39 heh Oct 11 23:19:42 :/ Oct 11 23:19:47 memory? swap? Oct 11 23:19:55 i have swap on Oct 11 23:25:07 :( source files for ubuntu lack so hard Oct 11 23:25:13 and all Oct 11 23:25:25 debian, I "make" something, it makes just fine Oct 11 23:25:49 I try to make me sum gpsd and I get this... http://pastebin.com/d5a3b8313 Oct 11 23:30:30 k-s[WORK], Oct 11 23:30:37 when i run canola-conf-rescan.sh from xterm Oct 11 23:30:45 amr: don't run it Oct 11 23:30:49 oh Oct 11 23:30:50 amr: it's just a dbus call Oct 11 23:30:53 ok Oct 11 23:30:55 amr: you'll get no debug Oct 11 23:30:57 how do i run the rescan? Oct 11 23:31:13 amr: instead, kill canola-conf and disable canola-applet (to avoid relaunching canola-conf) Oct 11 23:31:22 amr: now go to Xterm and run: Oct 11 23:31:30 CANOLA_DEBUG=1 canola-conf -v -v -v Oct 11 23:31:44 it should print SQL queries about files it process Oct 11 23:31:52 well Oct 11 23:31:55 didn't have ncurses Oct 11 23:31:57 usually it check if file already exist in DB Oct 11 23:32:01 ncurses-base Oct 11 23:32:06 and retrieve it's mtime Oct 11 23:32:37 hm it wont die Oct 11 23:33:01 oh ok nevermind Oct 11 23:33:09 amr: close canola and canola-applet Oct 11 23:33:20 it uses dbus activation to restart it Oct 11 23:33:27 s/it/they/ Oct 11 23:33:28 k-s[WORK] meant: they uses dbus activation to restart it Oct 11 23:35:41 glib warning, canola 16384 main.c:106:main Failed to open connection to bus: Unable to determine address of the message bus Oct 11 23:36:11 amr: run from run-standalone.sh Oct 11 23:36:20 CANOLA_DEBUG=1 run-standalone.sh canola-conf -v -v -v Oct 11 23:36:48 ok 1 min Oct 11 23:37:48 got result code 2 from requesting nam Oct 11 23:37:58 main.c:128 Oct 11 23:39:25 advice? Oct 11 23:42:33 no :-/ Oct 11 23:43:07 lol Oct 11 23:43:09 i think it's your device/setup somehow Oct 11 23:43:37 its recently flashed Oct 11 23:43:54 amr: it should run and print lots of sql queries :-P Oct 11 23:44:00 this is frustrating Oct 11 23:44:04 canola definitely worked Oct 11 23:44:11 i used it on holiday, same card Oct 11 23:44:18 same music files Oct 11 23:44:34 could you run "free" and see how much free mem you have? Oct 11 23:44:39 ok min Oct 11 23:45:35 ugh, control panel has crashed Oct 11 23:46:26 ouch Oct 11 23:46:36 yea Oct 11 23:48:24 mem: total 62224 used 60612 free 1612 Oct 11 23:48:51 swap: total 24568 used 0 free 24568 Oct 11 23:49:38 and if i try to go to the memory bit in control panel Oct 11 23:49:40 things lock up Oct 11 23:50:01 weird i have 62200 total :) (5404 free) Oct 11 23:50:27 is my device broken? Oct 11 23:50:55 yep, memory in the control panel locks up the device Oct 11 23:50:57 no idea. did you try a cold boot? (unplugging the battery and plugging it back) Oct 11 23:51:03 ill try now Oct 11 23:51:21 latest(-ish) 770 firmware, right? Oct 11 23:51:25 yes Oct 11 23:51:27 the latest Oct 11 23:51:28 <_Monkey> i heard the latest was 0.5.1a and it contains maemo 1.1 : http://cdprojekte.mattiasschlenker.de/Public/Maemo_Live/0.5a/ Oct 11 23:51:37 _Monkey: forget latest Oct 11 23:51:37 <_Monkey> disq: I forgot latest Oct 11 23:52:01 ok its booted Oct 11 23:52:22 try it all now :) Oct 11 23:52:33 same as before Oct 11 23:52:38 but free is 2972 Oct 11 23:52:50 total is 62224 for mem Oct 11 23:53:03 and opening the memory bit Oct 11 23:53:22 makes it crash again Oct 11 23:53:26 brilliant Oct 11 23:54:02 trying to get on to the virtual tab so i can turn off swap and then turn it on again Oct 11 23:54:33 could disable swap altogether, could be the mmc Oct 11 23:54:50 your initial free memory is too low i think Oct 11 23:55:00 yeah, whats sucking that up? Oct 11 23:55:09 can i turn swap off from xterm Oct 11 23:55:25 yeah, run swapoff (as root) Oct 11 23:58:28 swapoff .swap on /media/mmc1 Oct 11 23:58:33 and i get its a readonly filesyste Oct 11 23:58:34 m Oct 11 23:59:04 "swapoff /media/mmc1/.swap" works here Oct 11 23:59:35 nope, i get read only filesystem :S Oct 11 23:59:55 oh dear Oct 11 23:59:57 i cant make folders Oct 11 23:59:59 brilliant Oct 12 00:00:12 see dmesg output Oct 12 00:00:13 is there a man files deb package Oct 12 00:00:21 sounds like youre mounted ro :-) Oct 12 00:00:33 yeah i think the card is a bit broken Oct 12 00:00:39 it has done this before Oct 12 00:00:55 at least it's not the device Oct 12 00:01:12 true, i have 2 broken cards now though Oct 12 00:01:24 btw, am i nuts or does wifi on the 770 suck in comparison to the n800 Oct 12 00:01:24 one mmc-mobile doesnt get read by my card reader so i cant do anything with it Oct 12 00:01:30 cards often come with lifetime warranties Oct 12 00:01:36 im hoping so Oct 12 00:01:37 or do i have a bad 770? Oct 12 00:02:21 filesystem panic on the card Oct 12 00:02:29 Luria: could be a number of things. slow mmc access? heavy site that strains the 770's cpu? Oct 12 00:02:46 i was setting it(770) up for my mother and it wouldnt pick up the networks as easily as my n800 Oct 12 00:02:47 Hmmm .. Oct 12 00:02:51 min while i type out the output Oct 12 00:03:09 out of the box 770 Oct 12 00:03:15 stock 64mb card Oct 12 00:03:19 [90.043426] FAT: filesystem panic (dev mmcblk0p1) Oct 12 00:03:43 [90.043487] fat_get_cluster: invalid cluster chain (i_pos 0) Oct 12 00:03:55 yikes Oct 12 00:04:02 yeah, theres 3 of those entries Oct 12 00:04:39 what should i do Oct 12 00:05:48 back up what you can and do a real reformat with something thatll mark bad sectors would be my approach Oct 12 00:06:02 im hoping my macbook can do that Oct 12 00:06:04 but thats me :-) Oct 12 00:06:31 gah macbooks dont have any flash slots Oct 12 00:06:35 i hate that Oct 12 00:06:48 yeah i use a little adaptor Oct 12 00:07:29 huh. maemo doesnt have format? Oct 12 00:07:37 ie the command Oct 12 00:08:00 the file manager app can format the mmc Oct 12 00:08:43 is the issue that was corrupting SD-cards with n800 fixed for 770 kernel too? Oct 12 00:08:53 ** /dev/rdisk1s1 Oct 12 00:08:53 BAD SUPER BLOCK: MAGIC NUMBER WRONG Oct 12 00:08:58 this doesnt sound too hot Oct 12 00:09:14 SEARCH FOR ALTERNATE SUPER-BLOCK FAILED. Oct 12 00:10:18 amr: I mean that sounds it might be the kernel bug that (combined with buggy card) busted quite a few cards. Oct 12 00:10:26 any one know of a man/manpages deb? Oct 12 00:10:35 Jiten, wasnt that for n800s? Oct 12 00:10:50 does that affect rsmmc cards? Oct 12 00:11:00 i have a 770 and its an rsmmc Oct 12 00:11:02 it was a kernel bug related to power management Oct 12 00:11:28 it was lowering the card's voltage before the card was done. Oct 12 00:11:37 awesome Oct 12 00:11:54 since the bug was in the kernel, I'd think it might affect 770 too Oct 12 00:13:53 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1204 the problem and fix is explained at the very end Oct 12 00:14:05 thanks Oct 12 00:14:39 anyway, I'm off to sleep. Oct 12 00:14:49 oh man ill do that tomorrow Oct 12 00:14:51 its 1:15am Oct 12 00:17:44 Volume passed verification Oct 12 00:17:47 lets see if it mounts Oct 12 00:17:52 i should go to bed too. night. Oct 12 00:18:03 night disq Oct 12 00:18:06 thanks for the help guys Oct 12 00:18:07 bad interview today. fortunately, its a job i dont think i want Oct 12 00:18:37 sigh, so it goes. Oct 12 00:41:43 * |R just got bluetooth working on his linux station, need to try stuff :) Oct 12 00:42:06 hey |R Oct 12 00:42:13 <|R> hey there :) Oct 12 00:42:29 I'm trying to get gps and nav working on my laptop cause I need it tomorrow Oct 12 00:42:30 :/ Oct 12 00:42:43 I forgot I needed it to pick up my g/f, and I installed linux Oct 12 00:42:56 <|R> haha Oct 12 00:43:03 <|R> why do you need it? Oct 12 00:43:05 whenever you do something like that it's a bitch cause there's ALWAYS something you forget Oct 12 00:43:18 cause I'm going to take a / route rather than -| Oct 12 00:43:21 err Oct 12 00:43:23 _| Oct 12 00:43:28 <|R> ok :) Oct 12 00:43:35 hmm Oct 12 00:43:39 roadnav Oct 12 00:43:57 it freaking got my gps position Oct 12 00:43:58 YAY Oct 12 00:50:57 well, roadnav <3 now I guess Oct 12 00:51:07 free maps Oct 12 00:51:15 gps supported Oct 12 00:51:20 free Oct 12 00:51:22 all good Oct 12 00:51:44 Chaquita NY Oct 12 00:51:49 Chaquita Banana Oct 12 00:52:03 Banananana fo fana Oct 12 00:52:16 fe fi fo fana Oct 12 00:53:49 I would love one for the 770 Oct 12 00:53:51 is there? Oct 12 01:00:32 <|R> a banana for the n700? Oct 12 01:00:34 <|R> 770 Oct 12 01:01:01 maemo mapper? Oct 12 01:01:01 <_Monkey> rumour has it maemo mapper is geographical mapping software specifically designed for the Maemo platform and the Nokia 770/N800 form factor. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/maemo-mapper/ Oct 12 01:01:09 I use it - it's good Oct 12 01:01:25 <|R> yep, tried it (without GPS) it's fun :) Oct 12 01:01:44 awsomes Oct 12 01:01:48 <|R> I need to get my SD card and setup the japanese dictionary and this for tokyo for when i'll go there ;) Oct 12 01:01:51 I'm totally gonna be mapped up Oct 12 01:01:57 llz Oct 12 01:02:01 useful as hell Oct 12 01:02:10 lol Oct 12 01:02:27 <|R> "So how was japan !?" "oh, nice n800 screen..." Oct 12 01:06:32 oh, I had it installed already Oct 12 01:06:33 XD Oct 12 01:10:44 hi Oct 12 01:12:33 :( maemomapper ain't work fo me Oct 12 01:14:23 read that it crashes on virtual earth repos Oct 12 01:14:26 there they are Oct 12 01:14:27 :D Oct 12 01:14:34 lol england Oct 12 01:16:45 i use the google maps repos Oct 12 01:19:41 just closed again Oct 12 01:19:41 :( Oct 12 01:19:54 not openstreet? Oct 12 01:21:56 nope, route closes it Oct 12 01:31:42 freakin <3 getting email on my handheld device Oct 12 01:31:42 <3 you guys Oct 12 01:37:00 <|R> anyone has used the xkbd-bthid in Maemo 3.2 ? Oct 12 01:42:52 lol "I was heading to my boyfriends to 'celebrate' the fourth of july, packed a bottle of liquor." yeah, sure, you whore, you were going to have teh sex Oct 12 01:43:51 teh sechs Oct 12 01:48:04 <|R> ?! Oct 12 01:48:58 tv Oct 12 01:49:22 oh god, it knows where the fuck I live Oct 12 01:49:54 <|R> and where would that be? (i mean, if TV knows, it's somewhere online already right haha;) Oct 12 01:50:09 <|R> oh and don't forget to paste you social security number... Oct 12 01:50:17 <|R> s/you/your Oct 12 01:54:53 wtftftf? Oct 12 01:55:40 I went to get directions between two places that go through all the maps I've d/led Oct 12 01:55:54 and it downloads a state that's 200 miles too south Oct 12 01:56:02 conneticuit? Oct 12 01:57:22 <|R> so you're in vermont? :P Oct 12 02:00:49 yeah Oct 12 02:00:53 how'd you guess Oct 12 02:00:54 ;P Oct 12 02:01:01 well, atm new york Oct 12 02:01:07 going to vermont Oct 12 02:01:15 nowhere near going to ct Oct 12 02:01:19 or MA Oct 12 02:01:19 <|R> ehhe Oct 12 02:01:24 >_> Oct 12 02:01:26 <|R> come to montreal, we have a /. party on sunday ;) Oct 12 02:01:34 Lol Oct 12 02:01:48 wel, I'm actually heading to california next saturday Oct 12 02:01:49 ;) Oct 12 02:01:54 well, saturday after this Oct 12 02:02:00 20th to the 27th Oct 12 02:02:08 gonna use my 770 for sure Oct 12 02:02:12 and possibly my psp Oct 12 02:02:21 cause it hass games Oct 12 02:02:38 listening to my 770's kagu with Sennheiser HD280s Oct 12 02:02:39 <3 Oct 12 02:02:50 <|R> :) Oct 12 02:03:06 <|R> are there any better headphones with mic. that we can use ? Oct 12 02:03:28 <|R> i was hoping to see some progress on bluetooth headsets... i'd really love to be able to call from bars with my VoIP setup :) Oct 12 02:03:29 you can get HD280s and a mic kit Oct 12 02:03:39 lol Oct 12 02:03:44 what do you use for voip? Oct 12 02:03:46 I need that Oct 12 02:03:48 <|R> asterisk :) Oct 12 02:03:51 ah Oct 12 02:03:52 k Oct 12 02:04:01 <|R> rtcomm on the n800 Oct 12 02:04:33 <|R> i need to find a way to secure my traffic though (tunnel it back home safely) as rtcomm doesn't even support md5secret so everyone can easily sniff my pass: / Oct 12 02:04:42 <|R> i'd rather not get a huge bill next month :P Oct 12 02:04:42 holy hell Oct 12 02:05:00 kagu uses processes like a bitch Oct 12 02:05:10 <|R> I've heard there is a bug though, rtcomm only sends data to the wireless card directly, skipping tun0 if you use OpenVPN Oct 12 02:07:02 /dev/tun0? Oct 12 02:08:34 where da asterisk Oct 12 02:08:34 <_Monkey> rumour has it the asterisk is already the newest version Oct 12 02:08:39 lol Oct 12 02:08:58 _Monkey forget asterisk Oct 12 02:08:59 <_Monkey> Tb0n3: I forgot asterisk Oct 12 02:09:01 :D Oct 12 02:09:23 <|R> hahaha Oct 12 02:09:36 <|R> no, tun0 in ifconfig :) Oct 12 02:09:51 oh god Oct 12 02:09:58 roadnav you have failed me Oct 12 02:11:06 that can't possibly be right Oct 12 02:11:24 2.5 hours to get someplace that's 1.5 hours away from a place which is 2 hours away from me? Oct 12 02:12:38 h4x Oct 12 02:12:46 my computer just said Test Phrase Oct 12 02:12:57 like a robot Oct 12 02:14:44 :O satelite photos Oct 12 02:14:45 :D Oct 12 02:15:01 teh hax Oct 12 02:17:40 but srsly, where's asterisk? Oct 12 02:20:19 The same place you left it. Oct 12 02:20:39 I like making a * in handwriting mode Oct 12 02:20:39 not Oct 12 02:22:21 good evening all Oct 12 02:22:48 i just got an n800 and ame trying to get a handle on the various non-gui apps Oct 12 02:23:12 <|R> that would be ssh / busybox ? Oct 12 02:23:15 i take it there's a terminal app or sudo facility but i don't see it Oct 12 02:23:40 ha Oct 12 02:23:41 well Oct 12 02:23:45 |R: yes, and various daemons, thttpd, etc Oct 12 02:23:46 <|R> install openssh or osso-xterm Oct 12 02:23:50 ssh root@localhost Oct 12 02:24:02 or sudo gainroot Oct 12 02:24:08 when you get becomeroot Oct 12 02:24:10 <|R> Tb0n3 : he need a shell first ;) Oct 12 02:24:14 |R: openssh is itself a terminal app? Oct 12 02:24:24 <|R> hillct : no but you'll be able to access the n800 remotely Oct 12 02:24:28 <|R> it's an ssh server Oct 12 02:24:32 ah Oct 12 02:24:35 riht Oct 12 02:24:44 right. Of course. that makes sense Oct 12 02:24:46 <|R> well actually there is openssh-client and openssh-server Oct 12 02:24:48 <|R> get both ;) Oct 12 02:24:55 done Oct 12 02:25:13 how do i start installed daemons at boot? Oct 12 02:25:27 <|R> in /etc/rc2.d/ Oct 12 02:25:35 <|R> are you familiar with linux? Oct 12 02:25:41 sure Oct 12 02:25:47 once I get to a console, I'm set Oct 12 02:25:52 <|R> hehe ok :) Oct 12 02:26:00 <|R> then ssh right in! Oct 12 02:26:03 <|R> change the root pass... Oct 12 02:26:04 <_Monkey> |R: that doesn't look right Oct 12 02:26:10 am I missing the point where sshd gets started/ Oct 12 02:26:10 <|R> haha Oct 12 02:26:11 / Oct 12 02:26:26 <|R> ? Oct 12 02:26:33 or is it added to rc scripts as part of the package install? Oct 12 02:26:36 <|R> it should be running after install? Oct 12 02:26:41 <|R> yes Oct 12 02:26:43 ah Oct 12 02:26:46 testing Oct 12 02:26:49 <|R> S20ssh Oct 12 02:26:59 <|R> (that's what i have here) Oct 12 02:33:54 anyone priinting yet? Oct 12 02:35:45 guess thats a noo Oct 12 02:36:04 ok. next dumb question. I take it there's a default username I should be using for ssh. What's the default userid/password? Oct 12 02:36:31 I take it all this basic stuff is documented somewhere... Oct 12 02:36:33 rootme Oct 12 02:36:34 <_Monkey> hmmm... rootme is the default pw? Oct 12 02:36:41 for root Oct 12 02:36:45 LOL Oct 12 02:37:04 user has no pwd Oct 12 02:37:31 wow Oct 12 02:37:38 http://cgi.4chan.org/f/src/chimneydance.swf Oct 12 02:37:40 :D Oct 12 02:37:44 I never figured it would be that trivial Oct 12 02:37:50 this is cool Oct 12 02:38:41 there are cdrom and floppy mount points? Damn Oct 12 02:38:45 <3 nokia and their dedication to opensorse Oct 12 02:38:51 open sores Oct 12 02:39:03 this f$%ing ROCKS! Oct 12 02:39:28 i am running kde, on n800 now Oct 12 02:39:46 kvirc Oct 12 02:39:54 <[31d1]> how do you input text? Oct 12 02:40:19 on screen keyboard, or external Oct 12 02:40:55 its not as nice as hildon inputs though Oct 12 02:41:05 <[31d1]> the regular 770 keybo ... oh theres a kde one? Oct 12 02:41:07 but useeable Oct 12 02:41:25 xkbd Oct 12 02:41:36 <|R> hillct : yep, wait until you have it loaded with all sort of crap all in your pocket ;) Oct 12 02:41:41 how slow is it? Oct 12 02:41:41 is osso-xterm an actual terminal so if I attach a keyboard I can work locally on the pad? Oct 12 02:42:02 and remotely Oct 12 02:42:38 its not slow Oct 12 02:42:43 hmm Oct 12 02:42:52 what's the state of available SIP clients? Oct 12 02:43:02 <|R> hillct : i have rtcomm connecting to my asterisk Oct 12 02:43:13 nice... Oct 12 02:43:14 <|R> hillct : and a bt kbd for the term etc Oct 12 02:43:32 bt kbd? Oct 12 02:43:34 <|R> it's basically a good little umpc ;) Oct 12 02:43:39 <|R> bluetooth keyboard :) Oct 12 02:43:42 ah Oct 12 02:43:54 OMG. hadn't considered that... Oct 12 02:43:57 its a real computer Oct 12 02:44:09 * |R is waiting for a 32G sdhc :P Oct 12 02:44:35 I'm probably going to try building Callweaver PBX for it Oct 12 02:45:12 currently, I'm running my callweaver installation on an NSLU2 arm box Oct 12 02:45:23 <|R> :) Oct 12 02:47:42 I've wanted one of those for a while. Oct 12 02:47:51 Too bad I've already out grown it. :/ Oct 12 02:49:13 zerojay: in favor of what? Oct 12 02:49:33 Has anybody used their IT as a bt keyboard on their pc? Oct 12 02:50:08 I cant't get it tto pair. It times out way too quick Oct 12 02:50:18 hillct: Just using my PC. Oct 12 02:50:29 As a Samba box. Oct 12 02:50:45 NSLU2 only has 2 USB ports. Oct 12 02:50:57 I followed the directions @ mulliner.org Oct 12 02:50:59 <|R> Formal : i'd be interested in knowing how to use my PC to be a keyboard over bt to my n800 though ;) Oct 12 02:51:00 Two less than I need. Oct 12 02:51:08 <|R> (so i don't have to take out the small bt kbd at home ;) Oct 12 02:51:42 zerojay: that's what they make USB hubs for Oct 12 02:51:52 <|R> just got a cirago bt-0321 adapter, this thing is so freaking small Oct 12 02:51:57 You can ssh into the 800 and use yer pc keyboard Oct 12 02:52:11 <|R> Formal : i know, but for the graphical interface... Oct 12 02:52:15 Formal: uh... yeah, but what fun is that Oct 12 02:52:25 hillct: I've heard that they have problems with the NSLU2. Oct 12 02:52:40 I want bt to pc so i can use my 770 as a midi controller Oct 12 02:52:55 <|R> chaos-pad custom-style :) Oct 12 02:53:01 zerojay: default firmware does have issues. But who uses the default firmware? Use SlugOS/be Oct 12 02:53:25 Even with that. Oct 12 02:53:36 Sorta i just want the xkbdbthidwrapper to work Oct 12 02:53:44 I've been running it with an 8 port usb hub from day one Oct 12 02:53:46 no issues Oct 12 02:54:11 I've already mae the script for my pc to use it a an ableton live controller Oct 12 02:54:20 Others have. Oct 12 02:54:28 Rather not take the risk. Oct 12 02:54:57 Maybe better off going to something a little more high end. Oct 12 02:55:09 As you can tell my typing is not up to par on my 770 Oct 12 02:56:13 <|R> i may end up just using a quicksynergy but bluetooth sounds more fun ;) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Oct 12 02:59:56 2007