**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Oct 24 02:59:57 2007 Oct 24 03:18:40 <|R> http://japwatches.wordpress.com/2007/10/22/citizen-i-virt-84-0321-84-0322-84-0323-84-0324-and-84-0311/ Oct 24 03:18:46 <|R> do you think these would work with rtcomm? :P Oct 24 03:56:21 Good evening Oct 24 03:59:27 I'm seeing a rather strange behavior. I had a 250MB SD card in mmc2 and purchased an 8GB HCSD card which i then placed in mmc2, moving the 250MB card to mmc1 but now whenever I try to write to either card, as root or user, it reports that they're read-only filesystems. I checked the read-only switch on the cards, and the fstab and mtab indicate they're mounted read-wrote Oct 24 03:59:32 read-write Oct 24 04:00:02 is this something folks have seen before? Oct 24 04:00:10 You damaged them. Oct 24 04:00:20 great Oct 24 04:00:25 It's not permanent. Oct 24 04:00:32 reformat? Oct 24 04:00:36 Copy the files off the cards and reformat. Oct 24 04:01:05 It usually happens when the cards are being written to when removing them or turning off power. Oct 24 04:01:10 is there an fdisk binary in there somewhere? Oct 24 04:01:20 The file manager can format them. Oct 24 04:01:27 K Oct 24 04:01:33 Do you have the latest firmware? Oct 24 04:01:52 4.2007-38-2, I think. Oct 24 04:01:57 yes Oct 24 04:02:28 Do you pull your cards out and put them in a computer or attach the tablet by USB? Oct 24 04:02:33 I selected 'switch off' before moving the cards around but I was shocked to find when I pushed the power button afterward, it popped right up with the lock screen rather than the normal boot process Oct 24 04:02:47 nope Oct 24 04:03:16 hmm.. weird. Did you have the tablet plugged in when you did that? Oct 24 04:03:25 I have a USB SD interface but not for SDHC Oct 24 04:03:31 yes Oct 24 04:03:40 that was probably it Oct 24 04:03:55 anyway, lemme see if I can get this squared away Oct 24 04:03:57 one sec Oct 24 04:04:00 When you shutdown/restart with the tablet plugged in, it doesn't really go off.. it just disconnects from the net but stays on. Oct 24 04:06:06 cute Oct 24 04:06:09 good to know Oct 24 04:06:38 ok, so when I attempt to format, the SDHC card the options in the card menu are grayed out Oct 24 04:06:58 when I attempt to format the SD card, it says can't format. card in use Oct 24 04:07:08 the only app running is the file manager Oct 24 04:07:14 You'll have to format them in your PC then. Oct 24 04:07:16 do I need to umount the cards? Oct 24 04:07:27 great Oct 24 04:07:35 Or run fdisk on them. Oct 24 04:07:39 gotta get an SDHC reader Oct 24 04:07:42 hnn Oct 24 04:07:45 hmm Oct 24 04:07:47 will try that Oct 24 04:07:47 I don't think you need one for that. Oct 24 04:08:13 But I could be wrong. Oct 24 04:09:21 the mounted devices are /dev/mmcblk1 which seems reasonable, but the other card has device /dev/mmcblk0p1 Oct 24 04:09:29 which seems odd Oct 24 04:10:20 Partitioned? Oct 24 04:14:38 that would be my guess Oct 24 04:15:01 interesting. n800 fdisk doesn't have an interactive mode Oct 24 04:15:19 it's single command line or bust Oct 24 04:15:20 Windows fdisk. Oct 24 04:15:38 not for the SDHC card. no reader Oct 24 04:15:40 er Oct 24 04:15:43 wait Oct 24 04:16:01 will the n800 act as a passthrough reader for installed cards? Oct 24 04:16:19 that'd be SO cool Oct 24 04:17:21 Usage: fdisk [-luv] [-C CYLINDERS] [-H HEADS] [-S SECTORS] [-b SSZ] DISK Oct 24 04:17:32 is what's available in the built-in fdisk Oct 24 04:18:03 <|R> uhm, get a real fdisk? Oct 24 04:18:21 <|R> http://www.gtlib.gatech.edu/pub/gnuab/debian/pool-armel/main/u/util-linux/fdisk-udeb_2.13-9_armel.udeb Oct 24 04:18:26 <|R> maybe this... Oct 24 04:18:27 <_Monkey> rumour has it maybe this is why the tablets don't have 'ping' Oct 24 04:18:36 or use a cardreader, or use PC to fdisk over usb Oct 24 04:23:29 pupnik: an SDHC card reader would make my life quite a bit easier right about now Oct 24 04:23:31 <|R> yep, if you extract the binary from that package (here it conflicts with sfdisk from ke-recv) Oct 24 04:23:32 I don't have one Oct 24 04:23:43 <|R> just tried :) Oct 24 04:24:03 * czr morningates all Oct 24 04:24:21 I was able to reformat the card in mmc1 after unmounting it Oct 24 04:24:31 using the file manage menu item Oct 24 04:24:44 though I didn't see a GUI way to umount Oct 24 04:25:33 now, while device is off, switching 8GB card to MMC1 to try anf format assuming it's a function of the 'removable' nature of cards in that slot Oct 24 04:25:44 * |R thinks binutils, coreutils, debianutils, etc should be replacing busybox ;) Oct 24 04:26:44 <|R> MMC1 being internal or external? here the device numbering is flipped with the mount point... (0 -> 2, 1 -> 1) Oct 24 04:27:09 1 being external Oct 24 04:27:37 LOL Oct 24 04:27:56 actually, the reason was I was using swap on the 8G card' Oct 24 04:28:05 duh Oct 24 04:28:10 <|R> hehe Oct 24 04:28:19 <|R> i had the same problem, now that you mention it ;) Oct 24 04:30:06 "BUT I WANT TO FORMAT THE SWAP DEVICE!!!!" Oct 24 04:30:09 No. Oct 24 04:30:17 "Please Please!!!" Oct 24 04:31:14 I guess it's nice that it won't let you do stupid things like that Oct 24 04:31:29 though you'd think it would setup a swap partition not a file Oct 24 04:32:20 <|R> sometimes i wish it did let me do stupid things haha;) Oct 24 04:32:38 * |R erased it's /bin by error last week and should shut up :P Oct 24 04:32:53 tha's what red pill is for Oct 24 04:33:33 * |R wonders if the Opportunistic Encryption thought in FreeS/Wan could be done un SSH new tunnel mode >:] Oct 24 04:33:39 <|R> ssh for the people! Oct 24 04:33:40 <|R> :P Oct 24 04:34:03 Jack Daniels + Red Pill = regret Oct 24 04:34:07 <|R> haha Oct 24 04:34:16 <|R> i thought regrets = Jack Daniels Oct 24 04:34:20 <|R> that's a bad loop right there! Oct 24 04:34:22 <|R> :P Oct 24 04:34:57 Kind of like waking up in a strange bed and being afraid to look at who's sleeping next to you? Oct 24 04:35:16 <|R> haha Oct 24 04:35:31 <|R> I hope that situation isn't a bad loop too ;) Oct 24 04:35:47 |R, it is. it just doesn't repeat all that often :-) Oct 24 04:35:49 * limepi just got his n800 Oct 24 04:36:00 congrats and welcome limepi Oct 24 04:36:04 <|R> hehe :) Oct 24 04:36:05 |R, and at some point you just get used to it :-) Oct 24 04:36:09 <|R> haha! Oct 24 04:36:11 i bet sales are picking up with the price drop Oct 24 04:36:17 what is the canonical "you are new, here is how to make your thingy awesome" website Oct 24 04:36:22 * |R looks around, fiew, no dead body ;) Oct 24 04:36:58 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=26 that's one Oct 24 04:37:43 http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ Oct 24 04:39:24 There really should be a single getting started page that explains which repos have the coolest stuff and which packages are geek-critical Oct 24 04:39:52 awesome :D Oct 24 04:41:40 I'm still annoyed. I bought mine used on ebay, two days before the price drop Oct 24 04:42:14 paid $10 more than I could then get a new one on buy.com for and ended up paying shipping too Oct 24 04:43:50 how is screen? also test stylus input with sketch app. Oct 24 04:44:16 pupnik: Me? you mean used vs new? Oct 24 04:44:43 yes i'd be worried about getting a dodgy screen if I bought used Oct 24 04:45:00 I had pics Oct 24 04:45:09 looked smudged Oct 24 04:45:11 asked Oct 24 04:45:19 said it was just fingerprints Oct 24 04:45:23 which was true Oct 24 04:45:27 cleaned up nicely Oct 24 04:45:35 though, yes that'd be a big risk Oct 24 04:45:43 any problems tapping areas near the edges? Oct 24 04:45:53 not that I've seen Oct 24 04:45:58 good deal Oct 24 04:45:58 calibration works fine Oct 24 04:46:19 thouh I didn't get some of the extra items that come with new Oct 24 04:46:26 got only one stylus and no headset Oct 24 04:46:35 about 15% of the electronics i bought used on ebay had undocumented defects Oct 24 04:46:47 I've been lucky Oct 24 04:46:58 so far Oct 24 04:47:27 although after adding this new 8GB card, it seems to be freezing up a bit Oct 24 04:47:45 It's a class 6 card. it should be pretty speedy Oct 24 04:49:30 Kingston. Got it over at Adorama.com Oct 24 04:49:47 $20 rebate Oct 24 04:50:01 so around $55 after rebate Oct 24 04:51:26 good. now get to work Oct 24 04:51:28 :P Oct 24 04:53:56 <|R> microSD 8GB are starting to show up Oct 24 04:54:11 <|R> (if you want to invest in futur proof cards at high price hehe ;) Oct 24 04:54:33 * |R wants a 32GB SDHC for 100$ :| Oct 24 05:01:45 heh Oct 24 05:01:47 Does the N800 read SDHC cards? Oct 24 05:02:00 yup Oct 24 05:02:20 Hot. Oct 24 05:11:30 buenas noches Oct 24 05:12:13 muhuu Oct 24 06:07:12 How come flash sites cannot access the camera on the n800 Oct 24 06:11:12 maybe you have to right click on the flash, settings... and allow camera/microphone, because it's disabled by default Oct 24 06:11:19 on the pc Oct 24 06:13:07 tried that Oct 24 06:13:34 flash can't seem to find the built in camera.. Oct 24 06:13:47 trying to use it with blogtv... Oct 24 06:14:14 i think thoughtfix had a post about this a while back.. Oct 24 06:14:32 for ustream.tv Oct 24 06:16:10 anybody have a Command & Conquer 1 - Red Alert they can part with? Oct 24 06:17:20 the mic is picked up.. Oct 24 06:27:12 unique311_: afaik Flash on Linux doesn't support any camera. Oct 24 06:27:33 want to test Command & Conquer unique311_ ? Oct 24 06:27:55 dolske: ? Oct 24 06:33:12 seems to kind of work, except on the device :) Oct 24 06:40:53 pupnik: is it fast enough? Oct 24 06:41:04 ah, how could you tell :) Oct 24 06:41:59 that could actually be a game i would play Oct 24 06:42:14 runs in scratchbox - segfaults on device Oct 24 06:42:26 pupnik, there's an arm port of it? Oct 24 06:42:43 i have no idea what isn't implemented yet Oct 24 06:42:53 apparently combat? lol Oct 24 06:43:01 http://pupnik.de/freera_armel_001.tgz Oct 24 06:43:05 who needs combat when you have tesla coils Oct 24 06:43:23 zzzzzzzzz... aaaargh. Oct 24 06:47:50 mmap2(NULL, 61440, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x405f0000 Oct 24 06:47:54 brk(0x23e000) = 0x23e000 Oct 24 06:47:59 --- SIGSEGV Oct 24 06:48:15 doh Oct 24 06:48:26 why it want so much memory Oct 24 06:49:02 so it could run on n800? Oct 24 06:49:13 yes i think so Oct 24 06:49:27 k, need to test that when i get home Oct 24 06:49:45 ./freera -fullscreen -nosound -bpp 16 -w 640 -h 480 Oct 24 06:50:06 if i can get the datafiles from somewhere Oct 24 06:50:55 i have included free data files for testing - but the author says it is broken with the demo Oct 24 06:51:03 but i was able to build stuff and move units Oct 24 06:51:34 wget ftp://ftp.westwood.com/pub/redalert/previews/demo/ra95demo.zip <-- full demo Oct 24 06:53:08 and it doesn't seem to use the right mouse button, which is real nice Oct 24 06:53:27 maybe that seat belt would help run it on 770? Oct 24 06:53:55 heh what? Oct 24 06:54:39 seems to hang on instantiating the Game gsession; Oct 24 06:54:59 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-10317.html Oct 24 07:00:40 hrm nope Oct 24 07:01:01 :( Oct 24 07:01:15 needs airbag then Oct 24 08:14:04 good morning Oct 24 08:36:36 Morning, all Oct 24 08:42:16 yay, feedback from people who have mediaserv working :-) Oct 24 08:42:47 Hi Jaffa Oct 24 08:47:13 was it positive? :) Oct 24 08:51:08 any feedback for oss is great. nevermind positive or negative :-) Oct 24 08:51:23 * czr still is waiting for first feedback for his oss-projects Oct 24 08:52:31 what are you working on? Oct 24 08:52:57 solmumaha, mainly system level stuff, not relating to maemo Oct 24 08:53:17 k, no feedback from me then Oct 24 08:53:20 i.e., the projects aren't nearly enough sexy to be interesting to most folk :-) Oct 24 08:56:20 czr: do you have a web page or anywhere to show off these projects? Oct 24 08:56:24 solmumaha: largely, yes - obviously with issues since it's v0.01 Oct 24 08:56:40 flip^, my homepage contains links to most of the stuff ( http://koltsoff.com/ ). Oct 24 08:57:05 but all of the more completed thingies are on fm as well. Oct 24 09:01:51 solmumaha: http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/jaffa/2007/10/22/on_demand_transcoding_server_initial_rel Oct 24 09:02:00 yes, i saw that Oct 24 09:02:32 Still aiming for a different thing to knots, though Oct 24 09:03:49 yes, there are differences Oct 24 09:06:24 yaay i 'convinced' a good game developer to buy a n800 Oct 24 09:06:44 * flip^ peers at czr's site Oct 24 09:07:33 pupnik, i hardly touch my tablet, unless something new is going on that interest me...sorry about last night...i passed out. Oct 24 09:08:17 not much into testing games anymore. Oct 24 09:08:25 np Oct 24 09:09:08 How that transcoding server...you gave it a go? Oct 24 09:10:31 no. will wait for a newer/better vlc and ffmpeg and just use knots for now Oct 24 09:11:37 stupid question. is there a dsp-accelerated decoder for h.264 in n800? Oct 24 09:12:00 (I don't have any test files to play with, otherwise I'd just try. and I'm mainly curious) Oct 24 09:18:12 re Oct 24 09:27:42 pupnik: bah, I like shiny testers ;-) Oct 24 09:28:54 * pupnik is feeling sludgy today Oct 24 09:32:31 pupnik: vlc seems quite broken atm Oct 24 09:33:01 crashes and playback is quite jerky with the same settings Oct 24 09:33:30 ty Oct 24 09:33:39 so i haven't done anything to knots lately, waiting for a new version of mplayer and a working vlc Oct 24 09:34:03 and of course alteregos complete bindings Oct 24 09:38:45 czr: I think h.264 was listed as hardware decoded format for n810. Oct 24 09:39:11 Jiten, great. thanks Oct 24 09:40:21 don't trust my memory, go look it up :P Oct 24 09:40:39 nah, I rather blame you later :-) Oct 24 09:40:43 :) Oct 24 09:40:45 it's not that important.. Oct 24 09:40:51 hey alterego Oct 24 09:43:21 Hello Oct 24 09:43:46 I'm doing a rather drastic rewrite of ruby-libosso. Oct 24 09:44:00 you're converting it into python-libosso bindings? Oct 24 09:44:06 Hey Oct 24 09:44:09 :P Oct 24 09:44:14 :-) Oct 24 09:44:21 No, I don't like the Python libOSSO bindings. Oct 24 09:44:42 The new API provdes 6 functions Oct 24 09:44:56 run, system, add_callback, remove_callback, timeout, timeout= Oct 24 09:45:14 This provides functionality for the whole RPC section. Oct 24 09:45:35 how do you handle errors and differentiate them from methods that return a simple string? Oct 24 09:46:47 Well, osso_return_t is checked and raises an exception unless it's OSSO_OK, if it's OSSO_OK the return RPC value is returned to the caller, if not then the return value which should be a string is used as the error message for the exception. Oct 24 09:47:06 I wrote a function that converts RPC data types into Ruby objects. Oct 24 09:47:11 And the other way around. Oct 24 09:47:17 and if the call is done async? Oct 24 09:47:28 or you don't support async calls? Oct 24 09:47:35 Yes, I support async calls. Oct 24 09:47:48 so. then osso_return_t just tells that the launch succeeded Oct 24 09:47:51 Hmm, I can't remember. Let me check. Oct 24 09:47:59 it tells nothing about errors that can happen later Oct 24 09:49:11 Well, again the osso_return_t is checked and will raise an exception if it's not OSSO_OK Oct 24 09:49:30 osso_return_t of what exactly? Oct 24 09:49:32 The callback gets the return value so it's up the that code what happens. Oct 24 09:49:38 The async call. Oct 24 09:49:53 yeah, as I said, it only returns the errors that can happen on launch Oct 24 09:50:01 not errors during the execution of the async call (later on) Oct 24 09:50:09 the callback gets the return value, correct. Oct 24 09:50:12 Yeah .. That's not very handy .. Oct 24 09:50:23 now. how do you differentiate (from the return value) an error from a return value that is just a string. Oct 24 09:50:32 You can't. Oct 24 09:50:38 this was my point :-) Oct 24 09:50:44 sorry for the long-winded .. winding. Oct 24 09:50:45 Well, I could grep 'error' or something ;) Oct 24 09:50:51 indeed :-) Oct 24 09:51:07 Yeah, it's not really a problem that I'm responsible for though is it :P Oct 24 09:51:12 it's not Oct 24 09:51:18 just wondered how you went along with it Oct 24 09:51:31 Yeah, that actually didn't occur to me at the time ^_^ Oct 24 09:51:40 now you know :-) Oct 24 09:54:17 alterego, similar fun can be had with handling async returns of "void" Oct 24 09:54:25 although that's quite bearable. Oct 24 09:54:46 (returns of void: calling a method which returns void over D-Bus) Oct 24 09:55:01 Interesting. Oct 24 09:55:02 but you still have to detect the error in that case. Oct 24 09:55:24 the whole interface in libosso for async is.. "limited" to put it in friendly terms. Oct 24 09:55:51 but I don't care. it's not really my problem either :-) Oct 24 09:56:04 i want a hardware countdown/watchdog timer i can poll on omap1710 and 2420 Oct 24 09:56:26 Sure, but OSSO is more of a friendly wrapper for D-BUS, I don't think it's meant for serious D-BUS use. Oct 24 09:56:35 It's more of a helper library than anything. Oct 24 09:56:50 alterego, I know.. :-) Oct 24 09:57:17 Not that I'm defending it. I don't like LibOSSO at all. Oct 24 09:57:48 I love it. it provided me oodles of fun and detective work during night time. Oct 24 09:59:12 Heh Oct 24 09:59:51 * czr goes back to work Oct 24 09:59:55 going without moving. :-) Oct 24 09:59:57 I like how you can assign multiple callbacks for RPC services but you can only assign single callbacks to events you're interested in. Oct 24 10:00:11 alterego, yeah, it's the ultimate in flexibility :-) Oct 24 10:00:36 Sorry, that was me being sarcastic. Oct 24 10:00:46 I'd like multiple callbacks supported everywhere :) Oct 24 10:01:18 I saw your sarcasm, and answered with some of my own :-) Oct 24 10:01:50 ttyl Oct 24 10:01:57 To make this point more clear. My API defines "set_callback" and "remove_callback" for single callbacks. And "add_callback" and "remove_callback" for the RPC multiple callback support. Oct 24 10:02:02 See you :) Oct 24 10:22:22 ah, right. sqlite3 is a standard part of python 2.5 Oct 24 10:37:02 hi! i ported a nice :) programming language (pike) to maemo. everything works fine, but when i try to start a GTK example from the menu the "old" program launches. i copied the desktop file and changed the Exec entry. would anyone be so kinde and take a look? http://pastebin.com/m423fdac3 thanks! Oct 24 10:39:22 mazzen, remove the X-Osso-Service -line Oct 24 10:40:18 inz: thanks a lot! :-) it works now! :-) Oct 24 12:33:14 hi everybody Oct 24 12:33:29 hi Oct 24 12:33:40 hi Oct 24 12:34:59 any hast experience in gtk_expander_set_label_widget Oct 24 12:35:48 i added a hbox with entry, check_botton an spin_button but they do not get any signals Oct 24 12:38:49 playya, maybe you're supposed to put a label as the label for the expander? Oct 24 12:39:08 playya, the stuff "inside" the expander is added with gtk_container_add Oct 24 12:39:53 i know that inz Oct 24 12:40:03 but i want to have it there Oct 24 12:40:07 Why? Oct 24 12:40:20 its an list of options Oct 24 12:40:33 devided in basic and extended Oct 24 12:41:04 you should see the basics by default and extended when expanded Oct 24 12:42:04 I think you usually put the basics before the expander and then put something like "> Advanced" Oct 24 12:42:43 hmpf Oct 24 12:43:06 i saw this accesor an this was my first idea Oct 24 12:43:33 because there are datasets to configure Oct 24 12:43:51 Well, if the signals don't reach the "expander label", then I guess there's not much that can be done Oct 24 12:44:31 :( Oct 24 12:47:20 is it possible to make the arrow smaller? Oct 24 12:47:49 on the spinbox too Oct 24 13:13:17 what was the url for maemo package search engine? Oct 24 13:13:32 repositories? Oct 24 13:13:33 <_Monkey> i think repositories is http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php Oct 24 13:13:42 some third party site listed all the nokia's repositories and most of the unofficial ones Oct 24 13:13:52 contained a search engine Oct 24 13:14:05 and you could sort packages based on release etc Oct 24 13:14:13 ... Oct 24 13:14:24 yeah, gronmeyer Oct 24 13:14:25 thanks Oct 24 13:14:41 yw :) Oct 24 13:49:55 any idea how to get Qemu (in Scratchbox) to dump cores? Oct 24 14:12:06 Weasels ripped my flesh! Oct 24 14:12:45 Zappa! Oct 24 14:12:59 pupnik_: did you do anything more with pingus? Oct 24 14:13:13 YES celesteh :) Oct 24 14:13:37 Pingus will be taken over by the pingus author :) Oct 24 14:13:54 he ordered a n800 :D Oct 24 14:13:58 ooh :) Oct 24 14:14:38 Cool :) Oct 24 14:14:39 We're looking for ppl to do level-design in the next few days Oct 24 14:14:59 just fyi Oct 24 14:16:19 whoah. Oct 24 14:16:44 I really needed not to learn that pingus is or might be available for the n800 :-| Oct 24 14:17:06 I'm not sure I'll be able to help myself. Oct 24 14:17:15 give it a shot - http://pupnik.de/pingus.html Oct 24 14:17:39 it's kind of kludgy to install tho Oct 24 14:31:18 pupnik_: you're still involved then? Oct 24 14:31:54 well it don't run good on 770 so i'm not mucking with it any more Oct 24 14:32:16 it does ok if sound is disabled Oct 24 14:32:48 pupnik_: http://pupnik.de/xkbd_iconify.gif << cool Oct 24 14:33:01 the keyboard that is... Oct 24 14:33:24 yes i think i might have a workaround to pull it up from a fullscreen sdl app too Oct 24 14:33:46 pupnik_: that'll work in rdesktop? ;) Oct 24 14:34:00 should work fine Oct 24 14:34:11 ooh, cool Oct 24 14:37:01 pupnik_: I am not afraid of dpkg -i. I am afraid of getting sucked down a black hole of gaming. :-) Oct 24 14:37:01 Who can help me to port openvpn to n800 OS 2007 ?? :S Oct 24 14:37:35 hehe Oct 24 14:37:39 DRoBeR: try google. I think it's already done Oct 24 14:37:49 DRoBeR: since it doesn't have a GUI (or does it) it should be a simple recompile Oct 24 14:41:17 Thanks, kulve. I tried searching in maemo website. :) Oct 24 14:41:28 ptman, thanks too :) Oct 24 14:41:44 the garage search feature is somewhat broken Oct 24 14:41:56 Well, non-intuitive .. Oct 24 14:50:11 what's the compilter for 4.0? is it still 3.4? Oct 24 14:52:59 It's the glibc2.5 versions Oct 24 14:57:51 hola Oct 24 14:59:35 still no maemo.org login. :( Oct 24 15:00:25 alterego: what does gcc -v return? Oct 24 15:00:41 Don't know. Oct 24 15:01:25 cs2005q3.2-glibc2.5 Oct 24 15:09:46 <|R> anyone know how to search _for_ a minus sign on google? :P Oct 24 15:11:26 what else after "-"? Oct 24 15:13:54 keesj, 3.4.4 Oct 24 15:15:57 |R, you can't Oct 24 15:16:34 |R, you can bypass the - negative effect by putting it in quotes, like "-word" Oct 24 15:16:40 but google ignores special characters like that anyway Oct 24 15:16:53 inz thanks.. and BOO :P Oct 24 15:20:36 when i search "-fullscreen" i get "fullscreen" results Oct 24 15:20:45 maybe a different engine will be better for that Oct 24 15:21:51 Google treats - in quotes as a hypen and searches for variants both with and without the hypenation. Oct 24 15:22:01 pupnik, do you in fact need flag sign> Oct 24 15:22:02 Which is, of course, completely stupid. Oct 24 15:23:11 ~ $ sudo su - Oct 24 15:23:12 sudo: unable to lookup "hostname" via gethostbyname() Oct 24 15:23:21 hiho Oct 24 15:23:25 helpme Oct 24 15:23:38 lopz: sudo gainroot Oct 24 15:24:13 ~ $ sudo gainroot Oct 24 15:24:13 You may need to hack the gainroot script to not check to see fi you're in R&D mode. Oct 24 15:24:16 sudo: unable to lookup "hostname" via gethostbyname() Oct 24 15:24:25 lopz probably changed option in hostname file, but missed to change it in hosts Oct 24 15:24:35 Oh, well then I have no idea. Oct 24 15:25:03 Google needs better quote behaviour Oct 24 15:25:13 I find its current behaviour absolutely infuriating. Oct 24 15:25:29 Google needs better behavior for non-alphanumeric characters in general. Oct 24 15:25:37 But, you know, good luck with that. Oct 24 15:25:54 does somebody ever thought about porting tomtom to n800? Oct 24 15:25:55 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10930 Oct 24 15:27:09 Uh, well, since we don't have to sourcecode . . . no? Oct 24 15:28:00 zoran, Any idea? Oct 24 15:28:03 iirc it runs on the Zaurus Oct 24 15:28:09 about what? Oct 24 15:28:39 hostname could be set in hostname and the same name must be in host file for 127.0.0.1 Oct 24 15:28:53 GeneralAntilles http://www.tomtom.com/page.php?Page=gpl Oct 24 15:29:12 Updated: Sun, Oct 24th 2004 08:37 PDT (3 years, 0 months ago) Oct 24 15:29:13 zoran, my problem, not login how root on x-term :S Oct 24 15:29:17 you guys should totally switch to msn live search Oct 24 15:29:19 * Tak snickers Oct 24 15:29:23 Well, then, get to work Ar-ras. Looks like you've found yourself a project. Oct 24 15:30:03 lopz, you could follow good old "sudo gainroot" Oct 24 15:30:21 anyone know of anything that can record video with the n800 camera? Oct 24 15:30:34 GeneralAntilles haha you are so funny like a clown, are you a clown GeneralAntilles ? Oct 24 15:30:42 lopz, you have xterm and openssh installed? Oct 24 15:30:50 zoran, yes Oct 24 15:30:54 cool Oct 24 15:31:11 so, you have to change file called "gainroot" first Oct 24 15:31:18 in line it should be: Oct 24 15:31:28 MODE+enabled # Oct 24 15:31:34 MODE=enabled # Oct 24 15:31:39 What, you found something that hasn't been ported. The tools are sitting there ready to be used. Why not learn something and start porting? The worst you can do is fail. :\ Oct 24 15:31:40 the second one! Oct 24 15:31:41 <_Monkey> the second one is, like, an ext2 as root Oct 24 15:32:23 GeneralAntilles shut up,ok? Oct 24 15:32:34 zoran, via ssh -> http://rafb.net/p/sFUcmW17.html Oct 24 15:32:37 lopz, if I misguided you, first you have to do: Oct 24 15:32:46 ssh root@localhost Oct 24 15:32:58 pass is rootme or something Oct 24 15:33:03 N800 since I can not, and I get that message Oct 24 15:33:22 zoran, not, no pass is other Oct 24 15:33:27 s/no/my Oct 24 15:33:36 k Oct 24 15:33:46 just ssh to it and change gainroot file Oct 24 15:33:56 or install becomeroot, if I recall well Oct 24 15:34:06 I never did it Oct 24 15:35:54 <|R> TPC : uhm okay :) Oct 24 15:36:28 * |R is going back to altavista ;P Oct 24 15:36:32 zoran, He followed this tutorial http://maemo.org/community/oldwiki/howdoibecomeroot/ Oct 24 15:36:38 is correct ? Oct 24 15:36:50 lemme c Oct 24 15:37:31 pupnik_: it works! Oct 24 15:37:56 lopz, hm, not exactly Oct 24 15:38:02 :( Oct 24 15:38:13 I saw wone where the MODE line is changed to: Oct 24 15:38:32 MODE = enable #, with space after enable Oct 24 15:38:48 Anyone have a test example for osso_statusbar_send_event ? Oct 24 15:38:57 I did that and works on 770 Oct 24 15:39:12 solmumaha: freeRA command&conquer? Oct 24 15:39:26 yes Oct 24 15:39:31 sound too? Oct 24 15:39:34 solid 18 fps Oct 24 15:39:42 damn Oct 24 15:39:42 didn't try that Oct 24 15:39:43 That sounds fun .. Oct 24 15:40:26 Well i can test it in scratchbox i guess Oct 24 15:40:35 I don't know what's missing from the engine yet Oct 24 15:40:52 sound works, but makes it very slow Oct 24 15:40:52 zoran, http://maemo.org/community/oldwiki/howdoibecomeroot2/ <- He followed this tutorial :D Oct 24 15:41:01 sec Oct 24 15:41:19 don't suppose anyone knows offhand the blocksize for the initfs mtd? Oct 24 15:41:20 lopz, yes Oct 24 15:41:32 just that! Oct 24 15:42:27 zoran, my /usr/sbin/gainroot -> http://rafb.net/p/UmAoHn84.html Oct 24 15:42:30 lopz, and I used openssh, since I needed both versions 1 and 2 for connection Oct 24 15:42:44 it is needed gainroot file Oct 24 15:42:51 Still the same problem: ( Oct 24 15:43:04 ssh -r now Oct 24 15:43:16 no, shutdown -r now Oct 24 15:43:44 and "sudo gainroot" Oct 24 15:43:49 <|R> haha ssh -r now! : look at the internet, it's rebooting! Oct 24 15:43:57 :) Oct 24 15:44:16 * |R sees millions of dist-upgrading admins crying for having squashed their config since the last reboot ... Oct 24 15:44:23 <|R> hehe Oct 24 15:44:36 the man in on the device Oct 24 15:45:02 I like ssh to have a touch from desktop, to tweak it on normal keyboard Oct 24 15:45:16 <|R> it would be a pain otherwise :| Oct 24 15:45:35 yep Oct 24 15:45:46 but fun Oct 24 15:46:04 sudoers could be changed anyway Oct 24 15:48:57 lopz, news? Oct 24 15:49:58 zoran, bad news -> http://rafb.net/p/VKt3av22.html Oct 24 15:50:55 lopz, will you do this: Oct 24 15:51:03 cat /etc/hostname Oct 24 15:51:08 cat /etc/hosts Oct 24 15:51:30 anyone used osso-log logging? is there any documentation about it anywhere? Oct 24 15:51:39 your box is BlackTux Oct 24 15:51:50 put it in /etc/hosts Oct 24 15:51:51 yes Oct 24 15:52:09 127.0.0.1 BlackTux localhost Oct 24 15:52:40 cosmo, what of it? Oct 24 15:53:13 inz: how to enable it and where does the log go? Oct 24 15:53:20 zoran, http://rafb.net/p/18dSQf96.html any idea ? Oct 24 15:53:26 sec Oct 24 15:53:26 i haven't found any documentation except the header file Oct 24 15:53:35 could you name names shorter? Oct 24 15:54:10 cosmo, well, there are a few compile time macros that need to be defined for the U_LOG and D_LOG -macros to do anything Oct 24 15:54:22 zoran, yes Oct 24 15:54:34 cosmo, they're documented at the start of osso-log.h Oct 24 15:54:36 lopz, change the line in /etc/hosts: Oct 24 15:54:39 127.0.0.1 BlackTux localhost Oct 24 15:54:58 cosmo, the device doesn't actually have syslog (I think), so syslog logging doesn't really do anything Oct 24 15:55:00 ssh root@localhost Oct 24 15:55:18 cosmo, and stderr/stdout logging only helps, if you run the programs from xterm Oct 24 15:55:53 inz: does osso-log support syslog? i thinki syslog can be installed on device. Oct 24 15:56:30 stdout/err is not very useful for daemons etc, so i'd prefer syslog Oct 24 15:56:46 cosmo, by default it logs to syslog (i.e. if you only define DEBUG or OSSOLOG_COMPILE) Oct 24 15:57:17 cosmo, for daemons you should use the DLOG_ -functions, starting with DLOG_OPEN("appname"); Oct 24 15:57:36 huh, trolltech droped greenphone Oct 24 15:57:53 inz: ok thanks for this info. someone should write a wiki page or something about it.. Oct 24 15:58:48 zoran: yeah, no sense in a phone like that when other phones are coming to market that can be used for that. Selling phones isn't Trolltech's business after all. Oct 24 15:58:50 Hey, my wifi access is rather spotty and I have a few forum threads I'd like to read while I'm waiting around, any recommendations on how to do offline browsing? Oct 24 15:59:20 I'm on Debian. Oct 24 15:59:24 Joten, it is the same heap like in openmoko Oct 24 16:00:09 heap? Oct 24 16:00:18 but openmoko will be about $450 Oct 24 16:00:31 sciboy: open the pages in advance? Oct 24 16:01:00 Jiten, Can't keep them open, and in many cases we're talking about 100's of pages. Oct 24 16:01:16 sciboy could download them all and save them Oct 24 16:01:33 why is the connection spotty? Oct 24 16:01:49 zoran, Doing so manually would be pretty tedious. =P Oct 24 16:01:59 but web forums really aren't designed to be read without a good connection :) Oct 24 16:02:02 Only in range of the wifi 5% of the time. Oct 24 16:02:03 ah, you need perl to help you Oct 24 16:02:15 wi-fi moves? Oct 24 16:02:19 maybe you're lucky and the forum software allows you to open the pages with lots of comments at once Oct 24 16:02:20 zoran, http://rafb.net/p/38PWfB80.html, thanks! :) Oct 24 16:02:24 No, my N800 sure as heck does. Oct 24 16:02:45 Jiten, 60 per-page maximum. Oct 24 16:03:00 lopz, \o/ Oct 24 16:03:16 zoran, o/ Oct 24 16:03:21 sciboy: save a few of those and that should keep you busy for a while. Oct 24 16:03:32 Plus the N800 would shit itself trying to open something that large if it was compiled into one page. Oct 24 16:03:45 then you're out of luck I guess Oct 24 16:03:48 Jiten, Not really, it's mostly visual. Oct 24 16:04:17 sciboy, you said debian. not n800 Oct 24 16:04:56 Because I assumed the solution would most likely involve my desktop Oct 24 16:04:59 sciboy, how are those pages named? Oct 24 16:05:14 well, yeah, you can always look for some way to load them in advance by scripting Oct 24 16:05:33 make a loop and wget them Oct 24 16:06:32 or fetch Oct 24 16:06:33 forum type websites are common enough that there really ought to be a common protocol they could all use with software that supports it. Oct 24 16:07:13 my question is why sciboy cannot manage wifi to be permanent Oct 24 16:08:39 Because I move a lot, and even in my house we have thick walls that kills reception pretty quickly. Oct 24 16:08:50 Spend the money on a 2nd router. :) Oct 24 16:09:08 what router, btw? Oct 24 16:09:24 and why do you move to much? Oct 24 16:11:06 Because portability was the whole reason I got an N800, I like to work outdoors. Oct 24 16:11:21 ah Oct 24 16:11:32 what router? Oct 24 16:11:33 <_Monkey> router is at .1 Oct 24 16:12:19 Beats me, reception drops out before it reaches my room. Oct 24 16:12:35 what router? Oct 24 16:12:36 <_Monkey> router is at .1 Oct 24 16:13:43 Beats me, reception drops out before it reaches my room. Oct 24 16:13:57 :) Oct 24 16:17:29 * czr peeks Oct 24 16:17:55 internet is in a loop? :-) Oct 24 16:18:09 Heh Oct 24 16:18:19 It's like that episode of Red Dwarf "White Hole". Oct 24 16:18:26 that'll teach it not to use an iterator Oct 24 16:18:28 "So, what is it?" ^)^ Oct 24 16:18:55 * czr has yet to see even the first episode of red dwarf Oct 24 16:19:01 No! Oct 24 16:19:02 :) Oct 24 16:19:18 no? no is not an answer :-) Oct 24 16:19:25 You should watch it. Oct 24 16:19:30 It's really good :) Oct 24 16:19:32 nevermind not being a statement or even a question :-) Oct 24 16:19:39 so I hear. somehow I've managed to dodge it Oct 24 16:19:50 Okay, trying to download the thread using HTTrack Oct 24 16:19:56 It's upto 10mb already. Oct 24 16:20:08 ascii? Oct 24 16:20:21 Nope, mostly images. Oct 24 16:22:18 interesting that symbian does not include nokia 6120 as symbian phone Oct 24 16:22:29 maybe they had a bad day Oct 24 16:22:52 nokia or symbian? Oct 24 16:23:30 neither is exclusive of the other I'm sure :-) Oct 24 16:23:34 The download is probably going to end up at a couple of hundred megs. Oct 24 16:24:08 hooray! Oct 24 16:24:19 someone has 6120? Oct 24 16:25:10 * czr looks at the number of localization related mails on the devel-list Oct 24 16:25:13 argh. Oct 24 16:26:12 Oh shiz Oct 24 16:29:21 * mgedmin has a nokia 6125 which definitely isn't a symbian phone Oct 24 16:29:46 mgedmin, does not looks as the similar product, this one is called classic Oct 24 16:30:10 so I just discovered I have both wirelesstools and wireless-tools installed Oct 24 16:30:20 cool Oct 24 16:30:21 does one supersede the other, or are they separate packages Oct 24 16:32:04 [18:24] someone has 6120? Oct 24 16:32:10 a friend of mine Oct 24 16:32:20 worth to buy? Oct 24 16:32:31 the more I read, the less I know Oct 24 16:32:41 it is perfect to use with his n800 :) Oct 24 16:32:55 hsdpa Oct 24 16:35:48 L0cutus, I had the similar idea Oct 24 16:36:08 one issue makes me reluctant Oct 24 16:36:22 in Italy it cost 199€ no-lock Oct 24 16:36:26 I found reports about overheating Oct 24 16:36:47 people, not all, say it burns after minute or five Oct 24 16:37:19 lol Oct 24 16:37:20 L0cutus, the price sounds acout the same here Oct 24 16:37:26 i'll ask my friend if you want Oct 24 16:37:34 yes, please Oct 24 16:37:43 now it is not online :( Oct 24 16:37:47 it is made in Hungary Oct 24 16:37:58 k, no hurry Oct 24 16:38:20 I look and make decision not so fast Oct 24 16:38:28 i think i'll see it this tonight on irc Oct 24 16:38:48 tomorrow is fine, just as the next week and... Oct 24 16:41:01 * zoran gone to talk to dragons about fire security Oct 24 16:57:59 Yes, you would think they'd be pretty up on that subject. Oct 24 16:58:25 ptman, I finally installed the OpenVPN in my n800. :) ¡Cool! Now I can start to use it outside ^_^ Oct 24 16:58:28 solmumaha, you fancy testing a libosso package for me in about an hour? Oct 24 16:58:47 Salve, alterego. Oct 24 16:58:50 Not finished the documentation but I'm half way through writing a large example. Oct 24 16:59:01 Aloha Oct 24 17:00:38 "Ave, n800. moNituri te salutant." Oct 24 17:01:07 I want to say this at an 810 x) Oct 24 17:02:23 Hmm, I should probably take a break soon actually. Oct 24 17:09:44 alterego, writing examples is fun :-) Oct 24 17:09:54 Yeah, I got bored of the documentation. Oct 24 17:10:04 I was being ironic :-) Oct 24 17:10:21 I figure it's best for me to _at_least_ have some well commented working examples for people to check out. Oct 24 17:10:28 IRONY WILL NOT BE TOLERATED Oct 24 17:10:29 So I'm doing them in a kind of mini-tutorial fashion. Oct 24 17:10:31 indeed it is Oct 24 17:10:46 Tak, caps will? :-) Oct 24 17:10:47 I'll stall the API until I have more free time. Oct 24 17:11:00 alterego, you mean you got it stabilized now? ;-) Oct 24 17:11:04 And more of an idea of how I want the API to be formatted and stored :/ Oct 24 17:11:09 i.e., you're ready to release the final version ;-) Oct 24 17:11:18 I'm very close. Oct 24 17:11:34 nothing is as permanent as temporary glue Oct 24 17:11:34 The only thing that's really stalled me is documentation and rewriting LibOSSO extension. Oct 24 17:11:45 And work. Oct 24 17:12:11 I'd rather be doing this than working, but unfortunately it doesn't pay the bills ;) Oct 24 17:12:13 work is keeping me from doing fun stuff as well :-) Oct 24 17:12:19 :) Oct 24 17:12:36 thirded Oct 24 17:16:35 Hi - did anyone compile the truecrypt package for the N8x0 ? Oct 24 17:21:20 disq: does maemoscrobbler handle love/ban/tags/etc ? Oct 24 17:21:34 no Oct 24 17:21:45 I see. Oct 24 17:21:47 those are only applicable for last.fm radio anyways Oct 24 17:21:48 plans? :-) Oct 24 17:21:52 no. Oct 24 17:22:04 oh, really? you can't love a track you're playing locally? Oct 24 17:22:08 the only plan is to upgrade the protocol version from 1.1 to 1.2 Oct 24 17:22:16 according to the protocol, you can't (last i checked :) ) Oct 24 17:22:23 hmm, ok Oct 24 17:23:54 no love for you tak. Oct 24 17:24:08 * Tak => suicide Oct 24 17:24:09 otoh, no ban either. so it's a win/lose-situation :-) Oct 24 17:24:31 those tend to balance out quite nicely in the end, so I wouldn't worry too much Oct 24 17:43:11 :) Oct 24 18:18:37 alterego: what do you want me to test? Oct 24 18:19:13 does anyone know where the search engine home applet stores its search engine listing? Oct 24 18:19:17 I can't find it Oct 24 18:19:33 Just the library. Oct 24 18:19:36 Have a play with it. Oct 24 18:19:41 Tell me what you think of the API. Oct 24 18:30:23 anyone? Oct 24 18:30:30 is it compiled in? Oct 24 18:31:20 Probably in some SQLite database somewhere. But I don't really know. Oct 24 18:31:43 ah Oct 24 18:31:44 hm Oct 24 18:31:55 what extension do those usually have? Oct 24 18:32:09 Well, they don't. Oct 24 18:32:15 Sometimes .sqlite3 Oct 24 18:32:19 <|R> http://www.wired.com/gadgets/gadgetreviews/magazine/test2007/st_essay Oct 24 18:32:19 Sometimes .db Oct 24 18:32:20 that's what I was afraid of Oct 24 18:32:23 Sometimes nothing at all. Oct 24 18:32:38 looked for both Oct 24 18:32:46 in the /usr/ hierarchy? Oct 24 18:32:58 Doubt it. Oct 24 18:32:58 Probably in var Oct 24 18:32:59 there aren't any redable strings inside the .so for the applet Oct 24 18:33:00 Maybe etc Oct 24 18:33:54 Could possible even be in tmp Oct 24 18:34:22 got it! Oct 24 18:34:27 But like I said, I don't know. :) Oct 24 18:34:29 I found the dpkg info for the package Oct 24 18:34:41 it's at /usr/share/mis/ Oct 24 18:34:49 Groovy Oct 24 18:34:52 there are just xml files there Oct 24 18:34:59 now I can add search engines to it Oct 24 18:35:08 and make it more useful than just google and wikipedia! Oct 24 18:35:11 hurrah! Oct 24 18:35:22 Just read the files Oct 24 18:37:00 yeah Oct 24 18:37:08 I think it uses the same format that firefox search does Oct 24 18:37:11 checking now Oct 24 18:40:22 poo, it's not Oct 24 18:40:26 I can live with that Oct 24 18:50:01 So, if I want to set up the up/down keys on the d-pad to page up/down in the browser, would there be any way to set up the right or left direction as show/hide toolbar? Oct 24 18:52:51 |R: you there? ... we chatted the other day about ssh -w and vpn ... just wanted to report that this is working for me with rtcomm ... Oct 24 18:53:03 <|R> wooohoo Oct 24 18:53:16 <|R> maximCT : can you describe what you did? Oct 24 18:53:25 sure... Oct 24 18:53:26 <|R> maximCT : i'm having a weird fuck-up here... Oct 24 18:53:40 ssh -w any:any Oct 24 18:53:46 <|R> if i tunnel to some machine, setup 2 ips (ifconfig x pointopoint y, and the reverse on the other one) Oct 24 18:53:59 <|R> and then ping over the tunnel it works, but ping -f will kill the tunnel within a minute Oct 24 18:54:13 <|R> so i didn't try on the n800 yet... Oct 24 18:54:28 I start the ssh on the N800 ... Oct 24 18:54:36 then I ifconfig the 2 tunnel interfaces... Oct 24 18:54:41 and add default route on the N800 ... Oct 24 18:54:44 that's pretty much it... Oct 24 18:54:47 <|R> ok Oct 24 18:55:10 I noticed though that if I try this with a OpenBSD machine at home it's not working Oct 24 18:55:17 <|R> uhm :| Oct 24 18:55:18 but with my Fedora Linux box it does... Oct 24 18:55:27 <|R> what's not working? Oct 24 18:55:38 <|R> the tun0 doesn't exist? Oct 24 18:56:07 ah.. wait a sec... no .. that's unrelated... I run packet filter on OpenBSD and came to the conclusion that the filter screws it... Oct 24 18:56:22 without poking too many holes into the firewall ... so ignore that last comment I've made. Oct 24 18:56:32 <|R> let's say the tunnel is on 10.* and home is on 192.168.* ... do you need to have special routing / forward / NAT on the home-box? :) Oct 24 18:57:02 <|R> if you have 2 linux machines near by without any iptables... i'd be curious to know what you get from: Oct 24 18:57:07 <|R> ssh -w any:any machine 2 Oct 24 18:57:08 well .. I have static IP's at home and use binat on the firewall ... Oct 24 18:57:24 <|R> ifconfig tun0 10.0.0.2 pointopoint 10.0.0.3 (on machine 1 let's say) Oct 24 18:57:26 <|R> reverse on 2 Oct 24 18:57:40 <|R> and then ping -f 10.0.0.2 from 2 or the reverse Oct 24 18:57:59 <|R> after around a minute, it dies here, from many pairs of machines, i wonder why Oct 24 18:58:35 just doing the ping -f ... Oct 24 18:58:44 <|R> ok, let it run for a while Oct 24 18:58:55 <|R> do a watch ifconfig on one of the machines Oct 24 18:58:59 <|R> or look at a CPU meter hehe Oct 24 18:59:05 <|R> at some point, it just stops her Oct 24 18:59:07 <|R> here Oct 24 18:59:35 I see nothing unusual Oct 24 19:00:11 <|R> i was toying with tunnel routing yesterday... machine 1 <-> 2 <-> 3 <-> n800 ... and i get pretty weird results... Oct 24 19:00:13 <|R> let me try again ;) Oct 24 19:03:46 <|R> argh... it lasts 15 seconds and dies... Oct 24 19:04:00 <|R> after that, the ...... in ping becomes EEEEEEEE Oct 24 19:05:15 <|R> but i never get, in ifconfig tun0, any errors, dropped, overruns, collisions or frame / carrier... Oct 24 19:05:17 |R: just stopped my ping -f ... no problems... Oct 24 19:05:17 it's sending consecutive Evil bits? Oct 24 19:05:23 but have to hop on a conference call now... Oct 24 19:05:32 <|R> ok, ttyl :) Oct 24 19:05:43 |R: I want to put some nice scripts around that though ... so once I have that perhaps I can publish them somewhere. Oct 24 19:06:06 <|R> maximCT : same here, i just wish i could understand the fuck up i have :| Oct 24 19:06:59 |R: in the meantime you might want to compare versions of ssh and sshd... Oct 24 19:07:53 <|R> they're all 4.6p1-Debian5* (either n800, debian unstabl or ubuntu gutsy!) Oct 24 19:08:34 |R, tun0 is not a physical ethernet device, so you will never see ethernet-level error statistics on it Oct 24 19:08:35 <|R> all kernels are 2.6.22 or later Oct 24 19:09:02 you should check the sw that is connected to tun0 Oct 24 19:09:05 <|R> czr : good to know ! but then, let me get tcpdump out ;) Oct 24 19:16:47 <|R> aurhm... Oct 24 19:17:00 <|R> it really just dies, i see my echo request / reply and it just stops Oct 24 19:25:27 alterego: did you mention something about treeview being broken on the devices? Oct 24 19:25:36 Tak, it is yeah. Oct 24 19:27:14 like...spontaneous segfaults broken? Oct 24 19:27:23 Erm, no. Oct 24 19:27:37 Like, it doesn't render the expand collapse triangles. Oct 24 19:28:03 hm Oct 24 19:28:11 then I have larger problems Oct 24 19:28:13 Are you working in C? Oct 24 19:31:16 ruby Oct 24 19:31:26 Hmmm. Oct 24 19:31:32 <|R> maximCT : uhm, i just did an scp transfer of 1.5G over the tunnel and it worked, but 15 secs of ping -f forces me to quit ssh and ssh -w back in again :| Oct 24 19:31:34 alterego, you found a friend! Oct 24 19:31:42 May I see the source? Oct 24 19:31:53 * czr leads alterego to the source Oct 24 19:31:57 With the exception of the rendering problem I've not had a problem. Oct 24 19:32:00 this is a gtk+ app that works fine on a pc, though Oct 24 19:32:06 Ah. Oct 24 19:32:18 Interesting. Oct 24 19:34:55 <|R> maximCT : wtf, now i have both ends on ping -f and it won't die...! Oct 24 19:38:54 Hmm, Oct 24 19:39:06 * alterego wonders if 1405 lines of code is productive for a full days work. Oct 24 19:41:38 I'm feeling a bit ill today. Got a really bad throat and kind of shakey. Oct 24 19:42:46 try rum Oct 24 19:44:37 Probably time I stopped sleeping with the window open. Oct 24 19:56:11 hmm - it looks like my app is crashing because it's expecting sane behavior from the treeview Oct 24 19:59:07 What kind of behaviour? Oct 24 19:59:14 The treeview is out of my scope :/ Oct 24 19:59:27 Gtk bindings are done by the ruby-gnome2 project. Oct 24 20:09:51 I know it's not you; no worries Oct 24 20:10:57 I'm pretty sure it's a gtk->maemo issue, not a ruby->ruby-maemo issue Oct 24 20:16:34 Well, let me know how you get on. I've personally used TreeView and I've not had any issues (except the nasty rendering problem). Oct 24 20:16:45 hm Oct 24 20:16:59 Which has something to do with the hacked Gtk in Maemo. Oct 24 20:17:08 Hopefully fixed in OS2008 :) Oct 24 20:17:15 for one thing, it's not selecting my leaves programmatically Oct 24 20:17:31 :/ Oct 24 20:43:26 I seem to be doing a lot better writing documentation in plain text. Oct 24 20:43:36 I probably should have done this before and marked it up later .. Oct 24 20:43:43 plain text documentation rules Oct 24 20:44:07 It's more fun. Oct 24 20:44:14 I even use some ascii art for outlining (a "-" or "+" before each item in a list, etc) Oct 24 20:45:31 :) Oct 24 20:45:40 I'm using '*' ;) Oct 24 20:45:52 I normally use '-' for my notes.. Oct 24 20:46:54 http://maemo.rubyx.co.uk/sandbox/draft-libosso.txt Oct 24 20:47:14 I just did all that in about 15 minutes. Oct 24 20:47:36 ooh. pretty Oct 24 20:48:16 hah @ coolbacks Oct 24 20:48:30 I think the only thing marking it up would do is add the ability to easily navigate through it and to other documents. Oct 24 20:48:36 :) I'm about to write that section. Oct 24 20:48:58 The API is pretty large. Oct 24 20:49:16 what is your preferred monospace font? Oct 24 20:49:25 i love fixedsys. not ashamed of it Oct 24 20:49:46 I'm using "Fixed" Oct 24 20:50:04 Fixed->SemiCondensed 9pt Oct 24 20:50:35 I think that's the same as you as I can't see a "Fixedsys" in my font list :) Oct 24 20:51:24 Monaco. >_> Oct 24 20:51:35 Monaco? Oct 24 20:52:22 It's an Apple fixed-width font. :D Oct 24 20:53:19 http://alterego.freeshell.org/images/deskshot.png Oct 24 20:54:08 Hey, can anyone here get me a Jaiku invite? Oct 24 20:54:25 Hehe: http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/mydesktop.jpg Oct 24 20:54:50 I requested one yesterday but haven't heard anything. I need to check out mauku's scroll widget. :) Oct 24 20:55:27 That's an interesting resolution ^_^ Oct 24 20:55:40 Hehe Oct 24 20:56:07 Should probably have delineated screen edges. Oct 24 20:56:13 Does your Mac book pro really go 4800x1950?! Oct 24 20:56:18 (has to get one of those) Oct 24 20:56:21 Ha Oct 24 20:56:27 ;) Oct 24 20:56:30 It's 4 LCDs Oct 24 20:56:36 That's like an internet tablet DPI ^_^ Oct 24 20:56:38 that's actually a screenshot from an N800 Oct 24 20:56:41 :-P Oct 24 20:57:07 I should do it again, but with a couple ITs on the main screen through VNC Oct 24 20:57:14 nokia pumped it up to 1000dpi for os2008 Oct 24 20:57:28 Hah Oct 24 20:57:43 Wouldn't that be awesome. Oct 24 20:57:55 "Better than Print" resolution. Oct 24 20:58:03 hah, I'm pretty sure my brain couldn't tell the difference Oct 24 20:58:13 Hehe, that'd be the idea. :D Oct 24 20:58:15 No, me either. Oct 24 20:58:25 I don't think I can really make out pixels on the N800's screen. Oct 24 20:58:51 Which is how it should be. Oct 24 20:59:25 We need more resolution-indepent UIs and some medical-dpi desktop LCDs. Oct 24 21:01:18 Display Postscript! Oct 24 21:01:44 * ds3 takes off before anyone has a chance to look for their pitch forks and torches Oct 24 21:01:46 that's a big desktop Oct 24 21:02:44 http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/2393/20071024235841si2.png that's mine Oct 24 21:02:48 and fixedsys <3 Oct 24 21:03:00 It's . . . blue. Oct 24 21:03:06 sorry it's windows Oct 24 21:03:06 :P Oct 24 21:03:31 Why not use Classic? Oct 24 21:03:49 i'm used to this Oct 24 21:03:57 classic's too 2000 :P Oct 24 21:03:58 At least that has some semblance of decency, even if it's of the mid-90s sort. Oct 24 21:04:56 Tak, if you're wondering about the "coolback" part. It's because I decided to become evil. When you assign a LibOSSO callback in Ruby, you get an "OSSO::Callback" object. That object has 'proc' and 'data' attributes which can be changed after you've created the callback. Allowing you to completely bend/break the callback's functionality to your will. Without having to remove and add a new callback. Oct 24 21:05:08 Which is good considering some callbacks you can't de-register .. Oct 24 21:05:20 nice Oct 24 21:05:45 how is that implemented on the backend? nested callback? Oct 24 21:06:12 the only problem with fixedsys is it doesn't have unicode line drawing chars. and "mc -a" refuses to draw with ascii unless the locale is "C" but that also kills utf8 Oct 24 21:07:00 Yeah, pretty much. I wrote the "real" callbacks, the gpointer/void data argument is actually a C struct that contains a reference to two ruby objects. The first is a "proc" field the second is a "data" field. Oct 24 21:07:42 That worked fine. But I realised, when removing some callbacks in the API I needed to keep some kind of handle to the callback data. So I created the OSSO::Callback class. Oct 24 21:08:03 Then I turned evil and added accessors to the internals of the data structure .. Oct 24 21:08:27 <|R> urhm, is there a nat module for the latest 2007 kernel? Oct 24 21:13:17 arghblarghfhzeroinstall Oct 24 21:13:29 Nice. Oct 24 21:14:30 * sp3000 refers to -devel of course. Oct 24 21:29:47 <|R> https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=260&release_id=649 <- anyone using this on latest firmware? Oct 24 21:39:56 * sp3000 tries to decide if it's worth responding to tonight Oct 24 21:40:21 Hi folks. How to switch the audio flow to speaker when the headphone is plugged? Oct 24 21:43:57 hozano, I don't think you can. Oct 24 21:44:12 You can sometimes, at random, for no apparent reason. Oct 24 21:44:24 At least that was my experience with the fm radio applet. Oct 24 21:44:34 alterego, the FM Radio do it... Oct 24 21:47:06 Hi, I'm trying to get started writing a hildon input method, got the example plugin src from launchpad.net (is that the correct place? Is it somewhere in the maemo repo?), but it doesn't build because I don't have pkg-config packages 'hildon-input-method-framework-3.0' and 'hildon-input-method-ui-3.0'. Is this stuff somewhere available as debs or something? Oct 24 21:52:48 Hmm, is that for post-3.2, whatever it was named... Is there corresponding stuff for bora? Oct 24 21:53:11 chinook. Oct 24 22:01:36 is there a good nintendo emu for the n800? Oct 24 22:02:13 Seems I'm missing hildon-input-method-framework-dev (>= 1:1.99.8-1) libhildon-im-ui-dev (>= 1:1.99.13-1). Oct 24 22:03:01 What's sardine? Oct 24 22:03:02 <_Monkey> hmmm... sardine is (very) unstable or http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_GetStartedWithSardine Oct 24 22:03:14 Ok. Oct 24 22:03:24 Hmm, ok. Oct 24 22:03:37 <|R> drseashell : fceu with xmaeme as a frontend works fin Oct 24 22:03:38 <|R> fine Oct 24 22:04:11 Then that's probably not what I want. I guess I just have too new hildon im example. Oct 24 22:04:15 Or something. Oct 24 22:06:51 There's a howto at http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/howto_him_bora.html but I wonder if it's current. At least the src link at the very bottom is broken. Oct 24 22:07:29 there are days when i wonder why i read umpcportal... Oct 24 22:10:53 thanks |R Oct 24 22:11:07 New version of mediaserv released fixing loads of issues: http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/jaffa/ Oct 24 22:12:07 loads of issues Oct 24 22:19:08 hmm, has anyone tried grasemonkey on the 770? Oct 24 22:19:22 heh, I haven't even tried the microb engine yet Oct 24 22:27:41 ugh, with the recent price drop of the N800 im getting a bit pissed that i forked over cash for the 770 Oct 24 22:28:03 and i guess it does not help that its currently suffering from wsod :( Oct 24 22:28:05 Just fork over some more for an N800 and keep the 770 as a dedicated couch-machine. :) Oct 24 22:29:17 im considering that GeneralAntilles. with its dual flash slots and the upcoming os08 its becoming on sweet sweet device :D Oct 24 22:29:44 I've got an N800 and two 770s. Oct 24 22:29:52 WSOD? White Screen of Death? Oct 24 22:29:53 One 770 for the couch and one for the nightstand Oct 24 22:29:57 Yes, R[a]sk Oct 24 22:30:05 That sounds spooky. Oct 24 22:30:31 its basically a hardware failure of the control chip for the display Oct 24 22:30:59 t_s_o: you didn't get a developer device? Oct 24 22:31:00 * Tak boggles Oct 24 22:31:14 Tak: developer device? Oct 24 22:31:44 Is there some versioning weirdness going on in hildon-input-method? In my SDK I have hildon-input-method 2.0.23-2, but in the svn repo 1.99.32 was tagged yesterday :P Oct 24 22:32:39 Apparently yes, since 3.0.0 was tagged further down in the file... Oct 24 22:33:13 Gah. I'd just like to know if it's possible to develop input method plugins for bora and if, how :P Oct 24 22:33:34 The howto would indicate it's possible, but the example src link is broken. Oct 24 22:33:35 discounted device for development? Oct 24 22:33:41 Seems like a waste of time with Chinook just around the corner. Oct 24 22:34:17 SLi: http://maemocjk.garage.maemo.org/ Oct 24 22:34:22 I would say it's possible. Oct 24 22:34:38 Tak: i got no clue what your talking about Oct 24 22:35:01 derf, hmm, interesting. Got to look at that. Oct 24 22:35:05 http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/1192708879.html Oct 24 22:35:08 Except for the N800. Oct 24 22:36:26 derf, hmh, that seems to replace HIM according to the FAQ. Oct 24 22:36:35 SLi: Yes, it does. Oct 24 22:36:52 Oh, you said "plugins"... missed that word. Oct 24 22:37:28 Yeah. :) http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/howto_him_bora.html indicates it would be possible, but the src link is broken and someone has asked before here if it's available somewhere else, according to googled irc logs :P Oct 24 22:41:33 thanks GeneralAntilles, submitted. but i find it unlikely that i get in :) Oct 24 22:43:14 I should really try my hand at maemo development... it seems like an area where there's lots of stuff to be done. Oct 24 22:44:02 same here, maybe ill look into python if i ever get my 770 fixed or a new device going (python dont much care what os it runs on, right?) Oct 24 22:44:22 Like maybe writing a wiimote interface, so people can look at you funny while you try to aim the pointer at a tiny handheld device :D Oct 24 22:44:42 :p Oct 24 22:45:15 i wondered about going nuts and look into a opensync ui Oct 24 22:46:07 I was wondering about that myself, honestly... one of the things I'd like to eventually do with my N800 is completely replace my PDA. Oct 24 22:46:55 Because my Palm, my N800, my phone, my keyboard, my wallet, my keys, my pens, and my change are becoming a bit too much for my pockets. Oct 24 22:47:08 It makes me wish it wasn't such a social faux pas for men to carry purses. XD Oct 24 22:47:36 things are going good for email. will have modest beta by the chinook release. we're getting imap in gmail. Oct 24 22:47:51 Rask330: only in some parts of the world ;) Oct 24 22:48:11 t_s_o: True, but I live in the USA. :) Oct 24 22:48:28 Rask330: i was about to guess that Oct 24 22:48:36 I've got a belt bag. Totally nonesthetic but I don't care. Who cares about people anyway when you can carry geeky gadgets :P Oct 24 22:48:47 here they sell them at one of the larger clothes chains Oct 24 22:49:03 Maybe I could get away with an attache case or something... Oct 24 22:49:12 Or a "messenger bag". Oct 24 22:49:30 i got a postmans bag which i carry my dslr in. i put my keys and n800 there too (if i have the bag with me that is) Oct 24 22:56:25 hmm, os08 on the 770?! interesting ;) Oct 24 22:57:32 become a borg Oct 24 22:57:46 use a HMD full time Oct 24 22:57:47 ? Oct 24 22:57:50 ah :P Oct 24 22:58:02 just need some kind of workable input Oct 24 22:58:05 headband with all the different radios Oct 24 22:58:15 biometric inputs of course Oct 24 22:58:59 Those messenger bags are killer on your back. Oct 24 23:00:38 wasn't there some talk about the N800 generating either NTSC or PAL output a while back? Oct 24 23:05:11 well.. i can imagine some people hoping/imagining it possible since n95 that runs the same hw to a certain degree has tv-out.. Oct 24 23:05:28 but havent seen anything concrete Oct 24 23:05:45 if even the right stuff is connected or not. probably not. Oct 24 23:06:51 Time to pull out the soldering iron. ;) Oct 24 23:07:25 heh Oct 24 23:07:51 hmm, i found a local webshop that sells replacement buttons and lcd for the N800, but not for the 770 :( Oct 24 23:08:08 You'd need a new mobo. Oct 24 23:08:13 It's not the screen Oct 24 23:08:15 it's the controller. Oct 24 23:08:15 but i guess the cost of one would be higher then the device itself Oct 24 23:08:36 and those two are not made as one unit? Oct 24 23:08:49 Don't think so Oct 24 23:08:52 could be wrong, though. Oct 24 23:09:06 * GeneralAntilles is not much of a mobile device haxor. ;) Oct 24 23:10:25 all the cheap HMDs are NTSC only :( Oct 24 23:10:35 well, NTSC/PAL Oct 24 23:13:50 Just for the log, if someone else asks again (this is becoming a faq according to irc logs): him-plugins-sdk-example-0.0.2.tar.gz is still available at http://test.maemo.org/downloads/him-plugin-examples/ (the im howto page link should be updated). Oct 25 00:13:07 Ok I'm a little confused by something. There was an email that came across the Maemo announce list today of a new release of Maemo 3.2 Looking at the tools it updated I could really use some of them, so I opted to flash my n800 with the latest OS 2007 image (4.2007.38-2) however, I can not find some of the new tools, specifically nano, I want that pretty bad :P Has the new image just not hit the d/l page yet or do I have a mis Oct 25 00:13:07 understanding of how I am supposed to update? Oct 25 00:13:45 38-2 is the SDHC fix, I think. Oct 25 00:14:26 nano is here: http://aeracode.org/maemo/2007/ Oct 25 00:15:52 ok hmm. any idea what they are talking about in the email they sent out today? I just got my n800 yesterday so I'm still learning :) Oct 25 00:16:02 Haven't a clue. Oct 25 00:23:06 digilink, the mail talked about the SDK, while you flashed the os image on your n800 Oct 25 00:23:30 digilink, the SDK is this scratchbox thing you run on your normal pc to compile stuff for the n800 Oct 25 00:24:02 I thought so, so the tools listed are built into the SDK I assume? Oct 25 00:24:10 yes Oct 25 00:24:21 ok that makes sense now Oct 25 00:54:15 Hello. Newbie here. Tried installing apps from maemo.org site by clicking on install links. Nothing happens. Download install files and they don't show up in the system. Do I have to unlock something first?? Oct 25 00:59:48 <|R> did you choose save or open? Oct 25 01:20:07 hi, my n800 just went dead for no reason and it's not responding. Anyone knows anything about this? Oct 25 01:22:05 Did you charge it? Oct 25 01:22:36 it was low on battery, i've put it on charging, but it doesn't give any response during charge (on indication) Oct 25 01:22:47 (no indication) Oct 25 01:23:05 Let it charge. Oct 25 01:23:16 that's normal? Oct 25 01:23:20 Dunno Oct 25 01:23:28 But, obviously, the battery is low. Oct 25 01:23:57 ok, i'll wait till it's charged and start panicing after that Oct 25 02:00:12 Is there a "what's new in chinook" summary somewhere? I think I should install chinook on a memory card or something and give it a try. Oct 25 02:01:48 It's somewhere on maemo.org Oct 25 02:02:39 Here we go, SLi: http://maemo.org/development/sdks/api_changes_between_maemo_3_2_and_maemo_4_0.html Oct 25 02:04:29 i think i need a more elegant font to write OO code. fixedsys makes me feel like i'm in procedural land Oct 25 02:06:20 Courier Oct 25 02:08:10 GeneralAntilles, thanks. Oct 25 02:14:49 so, I got my n800 today, so forgive me... if i apt-get update, will it work? Oct 25 02:15:12 disq: An interesting way of thinking :) Although I can understand that. Oct 25 02:15:36 i'll try consolas Oct 25 02:17:02 npt, yes, it should, as far as I understand, although I've always used the Application Manager (often in blue pill mode). I have the feeling that using command line might be more handy, especially as the Appmgr only lets you upgrade one package at a time and then it needs to reload everything and you need to rescroll to the point where you were :P Oct 25 02:17:49 ;p Oct 25 02:18:30 Hmm, although now that I think, I wonder if Nokia has modded apt to use the (I assume gconf-based) same repository configuration. Oct 25 02:19:13 I read some webpage 'pimp my n800' but it was from like 02/07 Oct 25 02:19:52 and that seemed to think you had to 'mod' your n800's files a bit before apt-get update would work Oct 25 02:19:58 so, just wondering Oct 25 02:20:00 No, it works. Oct 25 02:20:12 looking on google for info as well Oct 25 02:20:15 thanks Oct 25 02:20:17 : ) Oct 25 02:20:27 Just a lot of applications aren't in the maemo repositories. Oct 25 02:20:30 So you have to add a ton of them. Oct 25 02:20:39 There's a list of them burried on maemo.org somewhere. Oct 25 02:20:46 thanks! Oct 25 02:20:48 : ) Oct 25 02:20:57 that's awesome to hear.. Oct 25 02:20:59 Sleep... I guess I need to get a sleeping schedule (5:20 am here) -> Oct 25 02:21:18 heck yeah I can carry a full debian with me in my pocket Oct 25 02:21:23 i can take over the world! Oct 25 02:22:19 so, this 'red pill mode' is that easter egg true? Oct 25 02:22:39 i assume yes, by one of the above comments about 'blue pill mode' Oct 25 02:23:30 Hm, blue pill is the non-default one, I think. I never remember which way they are anyway so please don't take my word for it. Oct 25 02:23:49 I wish they had named the modes less geekily :p Oct 25 02:25:19 Hm, full Debian. I started to think, with bt keyboard and bt mouse you could possibly run something like kde or gnome on it if you wanted to. Oct 25 02:25:27 But then you lose a lot of the mobility. Oct 25 02:26:12 i want to get a foldable small bt keyboard Oct 25 02:26:20 that will be nice :) Oct 25 02:26:31 Go watch the Matrix again, SLi. :P Oct 25 02:26:35 Red-pill is the non-default Oct 25 02:26:36 you want to take the red pill Oct 25 02:26:36 does a BT mouse work? Oct 25 02:26:44 99% of the time you want to keep it on blue-pill Oct 25 02:26:46 No, Dregz. Oct 25 02:27:05 red-pill just shows you extra packages which you don't really need to install Oct 25 02:27:11 and are more likely to fuck up your device. Oct 25 02:27:16 like what? Oct 25 02:28:33 someone say my name? Oct 25 02:40:12 Fun times with Crappy Cable. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Oct 25 02:59:57 2007