**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Oct 31 02:59:57 2007 Oct 31 03:06:25 <||cw2> c0mpact: from what I understand, unless they are python or some scripts they won't. different arch Oct 31 03:06:45 <||cw2> arm vs armel targets or something Oct 31 03:11:07 check out my self portrait..... http://www.conceptart.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=228952&stc=1&d=1193798220 Oct 31 03:25:11 does anyone here know the status of scratchbox2? Oct 31 03:25:24 I tried it once, but it clearly wasn't ready for real use Oct 31 03:42:56 ||cw2: Is OS2006 armel? Oct 31 04:06:49 i hope os2008 fixes all these wireless problems Oct 31 04:21:26 Hi people! Oct 31 04:22:16 D'you know anything about maemo dc++ clients, are there any? Oct 31 05:48:57 hello Oct 31 05:49:37 I'm trying to install the November 2006 OS update on my Nokia 770 and am having a bit of trouble. Oct 31 05:50:13 I hold down the home key, hold down power, let go of power as soon as the screen with the Nokia logo comes up, let go of home as soon as a USB icon comes up, but the USB icon then goes away and the tablet just boots normally Oct 31 05:51:08 bye Oct 31 05:57:43 <|R> are there really a comunity of 500 developers for the n810 reward program? Oct 31 06:00:04 has anyone created an alternative vkb that is the mini vkb but slightly larger? Oct 31 06:00:43 the device program is not a "reward" program, also it's not only for developers Oct 31 06:01:20 i'd like to enlarge and use more like a thumb keyboard--but able to see the app. Oct 31 06:02:34 found tools to convert to xml, just curious if i'm wasting time Oct 31 06:08:29 * |R thinks the n800's timezone isn't fixed for north america Oct 31 06:11:06 ooh? I'd better check.. Oct 31 06:11:31 <|R> or maybe i'm crazy but it says i'm one hour earlier than it should Oct 31 06:11:42 <|R> since it should have been last sunday... and now it's the next Oct 31 06:11:44 It's correct on mine. Oct 31 06:11:47 <|R> urhm Oct 31 06:12:29 <|R> if i run rdate it goes back 1 hour in the past... Oct 31 06:12:38 <|R> on my gateway it doesn't do that, it's correct Oct 31 06:12:44 rdate? Oct 31 06:12:46 <|R> so i don't think i can blame the ntp Oct 31 06:13:09 <|R> http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11158 Oct 31 06:15:19 Oh. Oct 31 06:15:31 Stupid government. :/ Oct 31 06:15:37 <|R> hehe Oct 31 06:15:47 Honestly, why can't we just do away with DST in full? Oct 31 06:15:57 <|R> i know, it's completely stupid Oct 31 06:16:05 <|R> saskatchewan did Oct 31 06:16:06 <|R> hehe Oct 31 06:16:15 <|R> we should all do the same :P Oct 31 06:16:19 So did Arizona, Hawaii, and half of Indiana... Oct 31 06:16:30 <|R> ahaa Oct 31 06:23:39 * |R still hoping to see maximCT hop back online and tell me how he made rtcomm use the ssh tunnel without binding to the other IP... Oct 31 06:27:49 Oh, I got my Stowaway BT keyboard today. :D It's pretty sweet. Oct 31 06:28:00 <|R> the small one? Oct 31 06:28:09 Mhm. :) Oct 31 06:28:09 <|R> or the 4 3 fold one? Oct 31 06:28:16 <|R> s/4// Oct 31 06:28:16 Small one. Oct 31 06:28:17 |R meant: or the 3 fold one? Oct 31 06:28:26 <|R> hehe yeah, i like it :) Oct 31 06:28:49 If you change the keyboard driver on the N800 to "standard 104-key keyboard", the buttons work a lot better, I found... Oct 31 06:29:10 <|R> oh? Oct 31 06:29:17 <|R> Rask330 : like what? i should try ;) Oct 31 06:29:36 Well, for one thing, home/end work fine. :D Oct 31 06:30:15 Also, the apostrophe button was behaving like an accute accent deadkey... but it's fine now. Oct 31 06:30:20 <|R> generic 105-key PC it is then! Oct 31 06:30:55 <|R> do you know if it is possible to do Fx keys with it? i heard ctrl-left_Fn-number could on some forum... Oct 31 06:31:19 <|R> Rask330 : ah! good for the apostrophe... though i'd like to get accents too Oct 31 06:31:30 * |R gets his keyboard out Oct 31 06:31:54 I don't need accents... I'm a xenophobic american who speaks english to the exclusion of everything else. >:D Oct 31 06:32:33 <|R> eheh Oct 31 06:32:43 <|R> I'm from european decent, not my fault :P Oct 31 06:32:54 <|R> That and Montreal is bilingual :) Oct 31 06:33:13 I suspect ctrl-fn-number isn't going to do it... ctrl-fn-1 is likely to just be ctrl-1. Oct 31 06:33:24 There is that mystery "cmd" key though. Oct 31 06:33:45 What was that app that you mentioned that traps keystrokes? Oct 31 06:34:16 <|R> ok, wtf, i had to reboot to change a language setting and now my change in mce.ini for the n800-pidgin-LED plugin are making my led blink every second Oct 31 06:34:28 <|R> uhm Oct 31 06:35:52 <|R> xev ? Oct 31 06:35:53 <_Monkey> xev is supposed to show all the X events Oct 31 06:36:17 * Rask330 tries. Oct 31 06:36:18 <|R> sounds good ;) Oct 31 06:36:24 <|R> in xmodmap package Oct 31 06:37:13 The thing is, |R, what would you use the function keys for? o.o Oct 31 06:39:37 <|R> Rask330 : i don't know, just to have a complete keyboard, some keys in the control panel seems to be binded by default to Fn keys... which is a bit intriguing :) Oct 31 06:40:06 What keys are those? Oct 31 06:40:45 <|R> in control panel -> hardware keyboard -> shortcuts Oct 31 06:40:50 Ah.. Oct 31 06:41:10 Also, this is freakin' sweet... the alt key even inserts an escape in xterm. :D Oct 31 06:42:07 <|R> uhm? :) Oct 31 06:42:23 Well, I mean, alt-1 translates as esc 1. X3 Oct 31 06:42:28 For irssi and such. Oct 31 06:42:47 <|R> cool :) Oct 31 06:42:56 <|R> better xterm, yeah! ;) Oct 31 06:43:23 Well, way better than what I was using previously. XD Oct 31 06:43:29 I was using pssh on my palm TX. Oct 31 06:43:55 Home/End/PgUp/PgDn did -nothing-... Oct 31 06:44:12 Esc did nothing either. Oct 31 06:44:18 Nor did control. Oct 31 06:44:24 <|R> my friend just received his n800, i'll see with him if we can make a keyboard hack for accents ;) Oct 31 06:44:25 I had to poke on-screen buttons for those. Oct 31 06:44:40 <|R> yeah, pain in the ... Oct 31 06:49:22 <|R> i guess i could always replace all Fn shortcut by ctrl-alt-n Oct 31 06:51:23 Ahah! Oct 31 06:51:27 I found it. :) Oct 31 06:51:31 <|R> ? :) Oct 31 06:51:49 <|R> i screwed up my connection to the kbd Oct 31 06:51:59 It seems like there's some correspondence between the function keys and Blue Fn + the ASDF row of keys. Oct 31 06:52:53 Yup. Oct 31 06:52:56 Confirmed. Oct 31 06:53:20 BlueFn + A = F1, BlueFn + S = F2, BlueFn + D = F3, etc. Oct 31 06:53:26 <|R> ah cool Oct 31 06:53:48 <|R> uhm, wtf is English (Eire) in keyboard layout? Oct 31 06:53:56 Irish. Oct 31 06:54:00 <|R> oh Oct 31 06:54:10 <|R> never seen that befor :) Oct 31 06:54:11 ...Wow, all 12 function keys are represented. Oct 31 06:54:16 <|R> yeah! Oct 31 06:54:23 All the way up to BlueFn + Enter = F12. Oct 31 06:54:23 <|R> it didnt work without the 105 key mode Oct 31 06:54:40 <|R> so just that row ? Oct 31 06:54:48 <|R> ignoring the blue text on keys then...? Oct 31 06:54:57 <|R> g = f5 ? Oct 31 06:55:02 Yup. :] Oct 31 06:55:28 The people who designed the firmware on this keyboard were no slackers. Oct 31 06:55:53 <|R> yep, f6 maximises, hooray Oct 31 06:56:25 Yeah. :) Oct 31 06:57:13 I'm going to have to redefine these so there's some rhyme or reason to them, though... Oct 31 06:58:31 <|R> uhm, french canadien layout is useles on this though Oct 31 06:58:48 <|R> i guess i'll bind cmd to an accent row or something ;) Oct 31 06:59:53 Hm, the N800 doesn't seem too willing to let me redefine the function keys... Oct 31 07:00:46 <|R> yeah, it worked in one of them and freezed in the other Oct 31 07:00:51 <|R> weird... :| Oct 31 07:01:35 <|R> ahhh finally, F9, task switcher Oct 31 07:01:40 <|R> i was dying for that :P Oct 31 07:01:45 * |R needs his "alt-tab" Oct 31 07:03:45 * |R actually doesn't want a mouse :P Oct 31 07:05:35 Alt-tab would be fantastic. Oct 31 07:05:53 <|R> Fn-l (F9) does it :) Oct 31 07:06:07 <|R> ctrl-Fn doesn't work though Oct 31 07:07:00 Arg, this is silly. XD Oct 31 07:07:47 The single function keys are stuck where they are, pretty much. Oct 31 07:08:06 You can redefine them, but you can't use the function key to which they were previously assigned for anything else. Oct 31 07:08:41 I suppose I'd better just get to memorizing the default assignments. Oct 31 07:09:49 <|R> uhm Oct 31 07:09:53 <|R> they stoped working Oct 31 07:09:59 <|R> except f4 -> menu Oct 31 07:10:13 <|R> but f3 doesn't give the apps menu anymore and f9 the alt-tab .. Oct 31 07:10:14 <|R> wth Oct 31 07:10:17 Odd. Did you press fn with any of the keys in the bottom row? Oct 31 07:10:24 <|R> maybe Oct 31 07:10:28 <|R> (ok yes ;P) Oct 31 07:10:33 Yeah. XD Oct 31 07:10:36 <|R> hehe Oct 31 07:10:38 <|R> what does that do? Oct 31 07:10:39 Push BlueFn+X. Oct 31 07:10:53 And try now. Oct 31 07:11:04 <|R> actually, it's C Oct 31 07:11:07 <|R> Cancel Oct 31 07:11:13 <|R> it seems to break things ;) Oct 31 07:11:19 I think they both do. Oct 31 07:11:22 <|R> oh Oct 31 07:11:31 They're numlock and scrolllock. Oct 31 07:11:38 <|R> oh haha Oct 31 07:11:43 And maemo seems to view them as key modifiers... Oct 31 07:11:53 <|R> what's wrong with ctrl-s and ctrl-q :P Oct 31 07:11:59 <|R> ok :) Oct 31 07:12:19 Morning, all Oct 31 07:12:31 <|R> morning! (uhm 3:10, i should be out of here ...) Oct 31 07:12:43 Me too really >.>; Oct 31 07:14:30 <|R> well, good night all :) Oct 31 07:14:52 <|R> Tomorrow, maybe the night will tell me how to bind rtcomm to tun0's IP! ;) Oct 31 07:14:53 Night~ Oct 31 08:23:08 unique311: I am the dev for tunapie. Could you email me to sort out porting it to maemo? jamesmstone at gmail dot com Oct 31 08:24:16 stone1, i was working on it...but i never followed thru. Oct 31 08:27:00 looks like somebody else is working on a port. and has lots done... http://www.flickr.com/photos/yerga/490447099/ Oct 31 08:32:55 blleh Oct 31 08:33:10 is there any good media streamer? Oct 31 08:33:14 video :/ Oct 31 08:33:27 "streamer"? Oct 31 08:33:36 to stream video Oct 31 08:33:45 Platform? Oct 31 08:33:50 770 Oct 31 08:33:55 Computer . . . Oct 31 08:34:05 ? Oct 31 08:34:16 You want to stream media from your computer to your 770, right? Oct 31 08:34:21 OH Oct 31 08:34:21 yea Oct 31 08:34:25 ive got it all set Oct 31 08:34:33 just need a decent player for the 770 Oct 31 08:34:40 What are you streaming with? Oct 31 08:34:42 I thought mplayer could do it.. Oct 31 08:34:52 windows media encoder Oct 31 08:34:57 at 800x480 Oct 31 08:35:00 Ha Oct 31 08:35:00 No. Oct 31 08:35:04 ... Oct 31 08:35:05 400x240 max Oct 31 08:35:09 why Oct 31 08:35:10 :/ Oct 31 08:35:21 With a 770, probably close to 400-600Kbps Oct 31 08:35:27 and wmv wont cut it Oct 31 08:35:28 oh Oct 31 08:35:31 You need MPEG4 Oct 31 08:35:43 what do you recommend? Oct 31 08:35:50 buongiorno Oct 31 08:36:14 ORB or TVersity will transcode Oct 31 08:36:25 live tv? Oct 31 08:36:37 Don't know Oct 31 08:36:39 Never used them. Oct 31 08:36:46 Don't use Windows. Oct 31 08:36:53 lol :( Oct 31 08:38:25 But, whatever you use, it has to be MPEG-4 at around 400-700kbps total bitrate with a resolution no greater than 400x240 Oct 31 08:38:39 ok Oct 31 08:38:51 i plan to do around 400 kbs Oct 31 08:40:33 GeneralAntilles: this is valid also for n800 ? Oct 31 08:40:38 No Oct 31 08:41:00 N800 is MPEG4 at 1000-1500Kbps total bitrate with no more than 400x240 resolution. Oct 31 08:41:14 MP3 audio recommended for DSP usage. Oct 31 08:41:25 wow Oct 31 08:42:28 hello everyone£¡ Oct 31 08:43:11 who has the x11vnc deb package for nokia n800? Oct 31 08:44:01 what can I use to steam video on the 770 though? Oct 31 08:44:13 http://mike.saunby.googlepages.com/x11vncfornokia7702 this link can not be opened . Oct 31 08:45:21 who can open this website link http://mike.saunby.googlepages.com/x11vncfornokia7702? Oct 31 08:48:23 hi Oct 31 08:48:23 <_Monkey> hey, daef Oct 31 08:48:39 _Monkey loves infobot, does he? Oct 31 08:48:39 <_Monkey> wish i knew, daef Oct 31 08:48:53 infobot loves _Monkey, does he? Oct 31 08:50:08 i have a prob with an undocumented dbus-call Oct 31 08:50:16 libra: i can open it Oct 31 08:50:47 i read about the dbus-send ......play_media string:file:///../file.wav Oct 31 08:51:27 It depends on what you're sending, x2. Oct 31 08:51:34 Some streaming solutions have an http interface Oct 31 08:51:38 some work over UPnP Oct 31 08:51:48 In which case Media Player should handle it if you're on OS2007 Oct 31 08:51:52 if I use wmv Oct 31 08:51:58 hacker 07 Oct 31 08:51:58 wmv doesn't work. Oct 31 08:52:01 but it cuts a quater to a half second of the file on the end - which is annoying when the file should be a 'click' and sounds totally chopped Oct 31 08:52:03 not at all? Oct 31 08:52:25 i do only need to play .wav files with a delay as small as possible... Oct 31 08:52:28 and I'm going to guess that that microsoft solution is probably something proprietary. Oct 31 08:52:32 ...gst-launch is far too slow Oct 31 08:52:40 ? Oct 31 08:52:55 No, WMV will not work. Oct 31 08:53:06 You need MPEG4 at the resolution and bitrate I specified before. Oct 31 08:53:10 wme x64 Oct 31 08:53:12 bleh Oct 31 08:53:16 I understand Oct 31 08:53:22 I have to go find an encoder now Oct 31 08:53:26 or transcoder Oct 31 08:53:34 ORB or TVersity Oct 31 08:53:41 GeneralAntilles: x2: am i interrupting a discussion about the *sarkasm_on* lovely *sarkasm_off* wmv-format? Oct 31 08:53:42 tversity im getting now Oct 31 08:53:53 more or less Oct 31 08:53:59 i have wmv, I use xvid mainly Oct 31 08:54:06 He's trying to stream media to his 770. Oct 31 08:54:07 but I need a quick encode from live tv Oct 31 08:54:09 lol Oct 31 08:54:14 So, no, it's not a discussion of the format. Oct 31 08:54:20 Just streaming solutions. Oct 31 08:54:30 and in the process getting bashed secretly for using windows :x Oct 31 08:54:49 once i've streamed the camera-source from the n800 over wlan to my pc - to view it with vlc - was a handy spycam!! Oct 31 08:54:51 You could probably hack something together with VLC for live tv transcoding. Oct 31 08:55:00 GeneralAntilles: my words Oct 31 08:55:17 does vlc support tuner cards now? Oct 31 08:55:24 I know CyTV will do it on Mac. Oct 31 08:55:25 vlc is very flexible in terms of streaming Oct 31 08:55:34 Dunno what will feed VLC the live tv data on Windows. Oct 31 08:55:50 If only it had a decent on-demand front-end. Oct 31 08:55:52 write a little direct-show plugin Oct 31 08:56:00 wich streams the vid to vlc Oct 31 08:56:07 wich streams the vid to the n800 Oct 31 08:56:38 * x2 installs linux Oct 31 08:56:39 lol Oct 31 08:57:01 i wish I didnt overclock or game.. Oct 31 08:57:07 vlc can read from a stream - convert it - buffer it (optional) - and open a streaming server of another kind than the one it is reading from Oct 31 08:57:34 x2: m$ win is kindo' - like a kernelmodule - but for games!! Oct 31 08:57:50 lol Oct 31 08:57:59 q6600 @ 3.6 <3 Oct 31 08:58:09 its like.. Oct 31 08:58:23 why use linux when I have plenty hardware Oct 31 08:58:30 unless its a server, then of course linux Oct 31 08:58:37 x2: because you are a masochist? Oct 31 08:58:43 lol Oct 31 08:58:49 like me Oct 31 08:58:51 ;) Oct 31 08:58:57 Pc Info:: Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 [Speed:: 3.60 GHz | 1.46 v | 400 * 9 | 8MB (2% Load)] [Memory::Used: 1840/4094MB @ ddr2 1000 | 4-4-4-8 2.2v] [HD1:: 34 C HD2:: 36 C Core 0:: 35 C Core 1:: 35 C Core 2:: 32 C Core 3:: 32 C] Oct 31 08:59:02 haha Oct 31 08:59:07 x2: whatever.... Oct 31 08:59:08 <_Monkey> whatever is fun for you. More power to ya Oct 31 08:59:12 LOL Oct 31 08:59:18 _Monkey! Oct 31 08:59:18 <_Monkey> it has been said that i am the best programmer in the whole freenode IRC right now Oct 31 08:59:30 daef? Oct 31 08:59:30 <_Monkey> rumour has it daef is from upper austria Oct 31 08:59:39 infobot: all hail to the mighty x2 Oct 31 09:00:22 lol Oct 31 09:00:23 x2? Oct 31 09:00:25 im nub Oct 31 09:01:15 so is anyone here who knows how to play complete(!) .wav files from a sh-script on the n800 ?? Oct 31 09:01:30 gst-launch's gap at the beginning is to big Oct 31 09:01:48 daef: i had a script that used to do that Oct 31 09:02:01 let me see if i still have it Oct 31 09:02:01 dbus-send > osso_media_server cuts a bit of the end from a wav away Oct 31 09:02:35 just use mplayer Oct 31 09:02:38 i tried to compile alsa-utils (to obtain aplay from it) but i get 'configure: error: Sufficiently new version of libasound not found.' Oct 31 09:02:46 daef: i have it,i use pygame :) Oct 31 09:02:55 but libasound2-dev Oct 31 09:02:57 daef: email ? Oct 31 09:02:58 is installed Oct 31 09:03:04 santa@datateam.at Oct 31 09:03:06 ok Oct 31 09:03:16 ty melmoth Oct 31 09:03:21 L0cutus online? Oct 31 09:03:29 yes Oct 31 09:03:44 can you download this file for me? Oct 31 09:04:03 DOWNLOAD Oct 31 09:04:04 The package here x11vnc_0.8-3_armel.deb Oct 31 09:04:04 <_Monkey> hmmm... DOWNLOAD is probably going to end up at a couple of hundred megs. Oct 31 09:04:06 this one ? Oct 31 09:04:12 yes Oct 31 09:04:13 daef: you shall receieve it shortly. I havent playes with it for ages Oct 31 09:04:32 libra: yes no problem Oct 31 09:04:46 my email address is bupt_011022@163.com Oct 31 09:04:50 about 500kb Oct 31 09:04:54 ok Oct 31 09:05:13 melmoth: what does it use to play snds? Oct 31 09:05:16 L0cutus thanks! Oct 31 09:05:22 pygame Oct 31 09:05:57 gstreamer was another option, but i wanted something that play stuff in loop without a break. Oct 31 09:05:59 let me google pygame - dunno what that is :/ Oct 31 09:06:04 so pygame was much more easy Oct 31 09:06:26 L0cutus i have been found this package for long time. thank you very much! Oct 31 09:06:26 it s a python module (sdl stuff i think) Oct 31 09:06:53 libra: sent :) Oct 31 09:07:39 L0cutus I come from China.are you? Oct 31 09:07:44 melmoth: my mailsrv pop's the mails all 10mins - that can be horrible long ;) Oct 31 09:07:50 nono, i'm from Italy :) Oct 31 09:08:45 daef: gstream should be another option, but the main problem i had was the sink on scratchox are not the same as the one i have on the tablet Oct 31 09:08:57 so i had to try out everything on the tabler, wich i dislike. Oct 31 09:09:01 gst-launch is too slow Oct 31 09:09:07 L0cutus i'm not access that website. because our goverment has some limits. Oct 31 09:09:17 it needs 1-2 secs from invoking until the speaker does sth. Oct 31 09:09:27 Hi all ... Oct 31 09:09:28 libra: yes i know... Oct 31 09:09:33 hmmm, i m not sure you will find pygame more efficient in that respect Oct 31 09:09:49 L0cutus: can i make friends with you? Oct 31 09:10:27 i'm trying to play with the bluetooth module in python but i always get the same problem Oct 31 09:10:29 libra: unfortunately i do not write/speak english well :( Oct 31 09:10:38 GeneralAntilles: AFAICT, there's no reason 770-encode (and thus mediaserv) couldn't do DVB streaming with a small amount of fiddlign Oct 31 09:11:26 libra: but if you need somethig, i'm here Oct 31 09:11:28 L0cutus : me too,i'm good at reading english paper. Oct 31 09:11:58 the english i know come only from some english tech docs. :) Oct 31 09:12:08 melmoth: i think i won't use pygame - that makes me depend from python and pygame - 2 more dependencies - there are already so many!! Oct 31 09:12:10 L0cutus : but listening and spoking is not good Oct 31 09:12:25 L0cutus: do you know the german meaning of lokus? Oct 31 09:12:44 L0cutus: no Oct 31 09:12:56 daef: no Oct 31 09:13:24 my nick comes from Star Trek :) Oct 31 09:13:40 comes from locus necessitatis - the place of the nature's call - short: toilet Oct 31 09:13:41 when i try to connect to my phone with a bluetoothSocket(RFCOMM) on channel 9 (OBEX) i always get a device or ressource busy Oct 31 09:13:43 * db48x resists Oct 31 09:13:56 Jaffa, I might play around with CyTV and try setting up a link on the mediaserv page that'll send an AppleScript call for it to start. Oct 31 09:14:18 daef: lol :D Oct 31 09:14:28 someone have succesfully pushed file with python from an n800 ? Oct 31 09:15:06 so does anyone know why dbus-send > osso_media_player.... cut a bit from the end of the wav? Oct 31 09:15:18 GeneralAntilles: ah, excellent. 770-encode can do it already. Oct 31 09:15:28 GeneralAntilles: so, in fact, it's trivial to add to mediaserv. Oct 31 09:15:32 L0cutus : can you send me another copy to this mail address bupt.011022@gmail.com Oct 31 09:16:12 yep Oct 31 09:16:31 I use this for encoding for the n800: http://www.tpwch.com/temp/n800encode.sh.txt Oct 31 09:16:38 quality is great, and it plays great on the N800 Oct 31 09:16:51 haven't tried it on a 770, but it might work there too Oct 31 09:17:00 L0cutus :do you make some application in N800 or N770? Oct 31 09:17:09 sent Oct 31 09:17:31 libra: not for now, i'm really a noob on n800 Oct 31 09:17:34 TPC: I like my optimised cropping in http://bleb.org/software/maemo/#encode Oct 31 09:17:37 (just purchased) Oct 31 09:18:41 L0cutus : how much is the n800 in Itlay? Oct 31 09:19:12 L0cutus : the n800 is not saled in China. Oct 31 09:19:19 i've buy from nokiashop.it at 257€ Oct 31 09:19:42 not very cheap... Oct 31 09:20:36 L0cutus:dollar? Oct 31 09:21:09 euro Oct 31 09:21:53 Hi Oct 31 09:22:04 L0cutus: it is not cheap Oct 31 09:22:22 i know, i've see it on buy.com for 239$ Oct 31 09:22:39 but is impossible for extra-US to buy there Oct 31 09:24:00 L0cutus: I get it from nokia research center of China. Oct 31 09:25:33 how much ? Oct 31 09:27:38 L0cutus: we have the project with them. they give me ,no money Oct 31 09:27:53 arrgh :) Oct 31 09:29:10 i am a postgraduate of state key lab of networking and switching Oct 31 09:31:13 do you any IM ? such as msn? Oct 31 09:31:20 Jaffa, optmised cropping? Oct 31 09:31:55 I use mencoders dsize filter Oct 31 09:32:01 i'm an 'old' man (42 years), i'm a watchmaker :) Oct 31 09:32:13 Jaffa, which checks to see which side is the longest, and crops accordingly Oct 31 09:32:15 works great Oct 31 09:32:17 libra: no, i do not use IM, only irc Oct 31 09:32:45 Jaffa, or wait, I'm being confused here Oct 31 09:32:48 it scales, not crops Oct 31 09:32:51 why would you crop? Oct 31 09:32:54 bon dia / good morning Oct 31 09:33:53 L0cutus : can i make friends with you?age is not a problem. Oct 31 09:33:58 you mean it scales so that max_X or max_Y are reached - whatever reaches first - aspect ratio is kept Oct 31 09:34:23 so if a vid is flatter than 15:9 (or whatever) it will get black boxen on top and bottom Oct 31 09:34:27 not left and right Oct 31 09:34:29 ?!? Oct 31 09:34:31 right Oct 31 09:34:32 thats right Oct 31 09:34:32 ? Oct 31 09:34:50 thats what -vf dsize does with mencoder Oct 31 09:34:59 it could also crop to reach the 15:9 Oct 31 09:35:11 I don't want to crop Oct 31 09:35:16 it could cut off a valuable part of the video Oct 31 09:35:17 so every vid would be 'fullscreen' Oct 31 09:35:23 wo cares? Oct 31 09:35:30 s/wo/who/g Oct 31 09:35:31 daef meant: who cares? Oct 31 09:35:46 You buy your DVDs in fullscreen, don't you daef? Oct 31 09:36:05 i encode videos not for watching the valuable part... i encode video's to have the thing done ;) Oct 31 09:36:18 Why bother encoding at all, then? :\ Oct 31 09:36:28 but 4:3 cannot be played on the full n800 screen without cropping or stitching Oct 31 09:36:41 GeneralAntilles: why does mankind exist? Oct 31 09:36:53 why cannot cut concatenate files? Oct 31 09:37:07 why is the sea green Oct 31 09:37:13 ahem /blue Oct 31 09:37:51 How do you get from video cropping to that? . . . Oct 31 09:38:10 * daef still doesn't know how to play wav's from cmdline on a n800 in a sane way ;) Oct 31 09:38:26 not very expensive imo Oct 31 09:40:08 pupnik_: i cannot compile aplay - gst-launch is too slow - dbus-send crops a bit of the end from the wav to play Oct 31 09:40:42 i think you can play wavs with the gstreamer tools daef Oct 31 09:40:53 from the shell Oct 31 09:41:00 pupnik_: it needs 1-2 secs from pressing enter until it plays the sound Oct 31 09:41:07 i need it in a sh-script Oct 31 09:41:12 with much less delay Oct 31 09:41:42 when i try to ./configure alsa-utils in my armel_target i get: libasound headers version >= 1.0.12... not present Oct 31 09:41:49 but libasound2-dev is installed Oct 31 09:42:52 you need 0.5 second delay, 0.1 second delay? Oct 31 09:43:35 as small as possible... 1 second is definetly too mucgh Oct 31 09:43:45 s/mucgh/much/g Oct 31 09:43:46 daef meant: as small as possible... 1 second is definetly too much Oct 31 09:43:59 well for music, i start mp3s with a system call gst-launch $filename ! dspmp3sink,0 Oct 31 09:44:11 i only need to play .wav's Oct 31 09:44:37 but this would be too slow - since you use sdl, i think sdl audio and mixer is the way to go Oct 31 09:44:58 i cannot sink wav's in the mp3sink - i need to use wavparse ! dsppcmsink Oct 31 09:45:43 i think any exec() or execlp() or system() type call might be too slow for your application Oct 31 09:48:05 my sdl-app is platform independent - it writes the sounds to play into a fifo wich is read by a sh-script wich plays the sounds from cmdline Oct 31 09:48:14 so no system() is needed Oct 31 09:48:19 Mix_LoadWAV(), Mix_PlayChannel() Oct 31 09:48:33 sdl is platform independent Oct 31 09:48:52 just let sdl play the sounds Oct 31 09:50:18 i understand how you wanted to make platform independence Oct 31 09:51:30 where is there time for the program to load the sounds? when the user is slowly inputting a string of commands Oct 31 09:52:09 so load a .wav after every icon press, while the machine is otherwise idling Oct 31 09:52:47 just some thoughts :) Oct 31 10:08:46 is there a list somewhere of phones that pair perfectly with the NXXX tablets ? Especially the nokia ones Oct 31 10:27:03 Pairing "perfectly" is also dependent on your operator setup. My W850i paired perfectly, but wouldn't connect via packet data until I changed the CID in the connection string (UK, Vodafone) Oct 31 10:31:29 hi Oct 31 10:40:08 pupnik_: now did it with sdl (for that platform) Oct 31 10:40:20 a little(!) prog which just plays wav's Oct 31 10:40:33 anybody want that crappy thing for his n800?? Oct 31 10:41:40 is there any documentation describing how Xomap works? Oct 31 10:43:23 daef: are you going to integrate wav playing into your main program, or stick with the FIFO? Oct 31 10:43:44 akai--: there's headers and stuff online, and some chat in the maemo-developers mailing list Oct 31 11:06:14 hi Oct 31 11:11:39 Well, Jaffa, EyeTV dumps a live tv buffer to disk, so I went ahead and symlinked that into mediaserv's search directory. Works fine, except for the fact that I never managed to get LAME working correctly (it's at least encoding the video now, but the audio just comes out as the most horrifyingly loud static you can imagine--so I'm just using pass-through) and the N800 wont play AC3. Oct 31 11:12:34 But, anybody with an EyeTV and a working LAME encoder can get live tv with that method. Oct 31 11:30:17 hum Oct 31 11:30:36 i'm unable to run apt-get update inside scratchbox Oct 31 11:30:50 seems it can't reach internet Oct 31 11:31:02 (it is running inside virtualbox+ubuntu 7.10) Oct 31 11:31:09 any idea on how to fix this ? Oct 31 11:33:08 yes, make your networkconnection working Oct 31 11:37:21 hehe this is the problem :) Oct 31 11:37:34 i don't know ubuntu nor scratchbox :) Oct 31 11:37:56 my virtualbox guest work ok on internet Oct 31 11:38:06 most likely you have a /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf has something not nice Oct 31 11:38:28 ubuntu hast something not nice.. Oct 31 11:39:04 * red-zack is hating ubunt. Oct 31 11:39:22 L0cutus, http://maemo-hackers.org/wiki/MaemoFaq/AptGetFailsToDownload Oct 31 11:39:23 L0cutus: and. i havent run scratchbox virtual. so cant helf. sry Oct 31 11:39:36 *help Oct 31 11:43:27 what is Xomap using as a "graphics card"? Oct 31 11:50:18 anyone got experience debugging on device with maemo-summoner? Oct 31 11:50:36 i can't get proper backtraces Oct 31 11:55:47 mmm Oct 31 11:55:57 seems not to be a dns problem Oct 31 11:56:11 since the command wget www.amazon.de get the index.... Oct 31 11:56:20 is an apt-get problem Oct 31 12:00:57 L0cutus, apt-get uses /scratchbox/etc/{resolv,nsswitch}.conf, others use the same in /etc/ Oct 31 12:02:11 inz: so wget that i have run inside scratchbox use the /etc/resolv ? Oct 31 12:03:11 GeneralAntilles: I did a "770-encode dvb://BBC\ ONE foo.avi" and that worked as expected here, so it'd just be a case of tweaking mediaserv to use arbitrary URLs in servemedia() - which is needed to do the RSS proxying anyway. Should be relatively easy, and mediaserv killing the transcoder after use (in this case) actually makes it useful. Oct 31 12:04:47 L0cutus, yes, (or /scratchbox/users//targets//etc/{resolv,nsswitch}.conf) Oct 31 12:05:24 L0cutus, you need to fix the /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf Oct 31 12:07:12 hosts: files dns Oct 31 12:09:01 oh Oct 31 12:09:08 then maybe the resolv.conf there is broken =) Oct 31 12:12:15 no Oct 31 12:12:25 it is the same of my ubuntu Oct 31 12:12:32 :( Oct 31 12:12:45 i have really no idea on where to make my hands :) Oct 31 12:13:03 s/make/put/g Oct 31 12:13:04 L0cutus meant: i have really no idea on where to put my hands :) Oct 31 12:13:05 :) Oct 31 12:19:41 You sometimes need to fix nsswitch: http://lists.scratchbox.org/pipermail/scratchbox-users/2007-March/000906.html Oct 31 12:24:12 i'm an idiot... Oct 31 12:24:43 i was edit the nsswitch.conf while i'm logged in scratchbox... Oct 31 12:25:07 instead of /scratchbox/etc/nssetc... Oct 31 12:25:21 now all work :) Oct 31 12:25:59 the scratchbox installer was kinda bad with a 1GB root fs Oct 31 12:41:59 excuse me Oct 31 12:42:00 checking for a BSD-compatible install... /scratchbox/tools/bin/install -c Oct 31 12:42:01 configure: error: cannot run /bin/sh ./config.sub Oct 31 12:42:11 this missing file Oct 31 12:42:28 it's specific to scratchbox or it's an error from my system ? Oct 31 12:44:10 I've not heard of anyone successfully using scratchbox under a BSD system. Oct 31 12:44:21 I think you're only chance is using VMWare player/server Oct 31 13:12:17 alterego: how come your new ruby packages have stuff in arm-linux instead of arm-linux-eabi? Oct 31 13:12:39 Tak, I don't know. Oct 31 13:12:49 lol - ok Oct 31 13:12:53 I noticed that myself. Oct 31 13:13:24 it broke my rubygame package ;-) Oct 31 13:13:30 If you need to install to the sitearch dir, use `ruby -rbconfig -e "print Config::CONFIG['sitearchdir']` Oct 31 13:13:54 Yeah, that was likely to happen. Oct 31 13:13:59 heh, I'm doing that in scratchbox at package-time Oct 31 13:14:11 The new packages are a bit different to the old ones :) Oct 31 13:14:29 Tak, yeah. I have to do the same thing for a few of the extensions :) Oct 31 13:14:43 Took me a while to figure out that little chesnut. Oct 31 13:15:18 although it occurs to me now that I still have your old packages installed in sbox Oct 31 13:16:11 Heh Oct 31 13:16:35 Luckily it's so easy to reinstall scratchbox targets :) Oct 31 13:17:03 Oh, so you're using a 3.x SDK? Oct 31 13:17:29 umm...yes? Oct 31 13:17:35 3.x == bora? Oct 31 13:17:38 Yeahj Oct 31 13:18:08 I thought you might like to use the 4.0 SDK to be ready for OS2008 ;) Oct 31 13:23:34 heh Oct 31 13:23:44 I'm having disk space issues atm Oct 31 13:25:22 has anyone created an alternative vkb that is the mini vkb but slightly larger? Oct 31 13:25:23 <_Monkey> i already had it that way, fysakk. Oct 31 13:26:18 ? Oct 31 13:26:23 hmm id just like the large finger board to be the default Oct 31 13:26:30 afaik there's the mini and the thumb Oct 31 13:26:36 i cant ever get that going reliably with the fat finger approach to come up Oct 31 13:27:04 correct. they are defined in a vkb file in usr/share/keyboard Oct 31 13:28:01 can you get it to default one way or another? Oct 31 13:28:55 the big one should be mpdified also to have a full time number row w/modifiers Oct 31 13:29:13 yeah Oct 31 13:29:16 would be nice Oct 31 13:29:53 you can always swap out your vkb file ;-) Oct 31 13:30:13 there is enough room.. i can nearly thumb the smaller keyboard when i have to.. (xterm/nano) Oct 31 13:30:41 was hoping there was a vkb collection sonewhere Oct 31 13:34:23 changing the minimum font size in opera makes a big improvement for me.. Oct 31 13:35:54 there is an option to raise simultaneous connections also, i set at 24 instead of 4 and it feels much more responsive--but could be placebo, i need to quantify it Oct 31 13:42:52 raised from 7 to 17 and no longer have to zoom (slow) every page Oct 31 13:44:48 Is someone uses VistaMax as IDE ? Oct 31 13:45:19 Has nayone setup to post blogs from the N800 to maemopoeple (b2evo)? Oct 31 13:45:21 It's written on the website that it's compatible with the SDK Oct 31 13:45:45 but the link returns 404 and on the website of the IDE Oct 31 13:45:53 they don't mention maemo :/ Oct 31 13:46:08 Anyone hear a release date yet for the 810? Oct 31 13:47:55 in 2 or 3 weeks Oct 31 13:59:18 Yeah excited Oct 31 13:59:22 Im happy about it Oct 31 13:59:34 It fixed the things i didn't like about the 770 and 800 Oct 31 14:05:44 lots of stuff on youtube botu the 810 Oct 31 14:05:52 a bunch of people have em Oct 31 14:05:56 im Guessing testers Oct 31 14:06:27 I hope the navicore is granular enough to be usefull for walking Oct 31 14:06:38 I hear it had a pedistran mode.. not just a car mode Oct 31 14:10:54 * Daniellion pouts still pissed no TTLS support Oct 31 14:27:50 hmm Oct 31 14:33:53 Yeah i cant auth. to our wifi network at work without ttls Oct 31 15:08:18 Morning Oct 31 15:08:19 <_Monkey> aloha Oct 31 15:11:37 checking for a BSD-compatible install... /scratchbox/tools/bin/install -c Oct 31 15:11:37 configure: error: cannot run /bin/sh ./config.sub Oct 31 15:11:37 make: *** [configure-stamp] Error 1 Oct 31 15:11:49 Can anyone explain to me this error please ? Oct 31 15:12:03 you're missing /bin/sh or ./config.sub ? Oct 31 15:12:18 Why care about a BSD-compliant install ?? Don't understand Oct 31 15:12:47 the second line is unrelated to the first Oct 31 15:13:15 ok Oct 31 15:13:40 there is no folder sh in my /bin Oct 31 15:13:46 It's normal ? Oct 31 15:13:53 /bin/sh should be an executable Oct 31 15:14:26 oh yes I got it of course :) Oct 31 15:14:36 (sorry, I'm a noob) Oct 31 15:14:53 so the problem is config.sub Oct 31 15:14:58 Rothiel, what means "bsd_compatibile"? Oct 31 15:15:43 zoran > I guess it means that the application can be run on BSD system too Oct 31 15:16:03 anone is using scratchbox+maemo/nokia sdk with archlinux ? Oct 31 15:16:07 anyone* Oct 31 15:16:08 I thought scratchbox works only on linux Oct 31 15:16:30 zoran > me too and it is Oct 31 15:16:46 I try to create a .deb with the hello_world example Oct 31 15:16:57 I tried it on freebsd; no luck, even with linux libs included Oct 31 15:17:26 the thing is not even intentioned to work that way Oct 31 15:18:17 yep Oct 31 15:18:53 so, the config.sub that is missing Oct 31 15:19:03 it is a file from scratchbox ? Oct 31 15:19:11 or from my system ? Oct 31 15:19:22 should be 32 bit bsd and 32 bit linux emulation Oct 31 15:19:29 Your system should be completely seperate from scratchbox. Oct 31 15:19:44 If something is going wrong making a package then it is almost certainly with your scratchbox configuration. Oct 31 15:20:25 Rothiel, on what system do you install? Oct 31 15:21:48 bsd-compatible install just means that you have a program called "install" that is compatible with the one in the bsd toolkit, which has become a standard (apparently) - it's standard in configure scripts Oct 31 15:22:16 Yes, and it has nothing to do with your problem :) Oct 31 15:22:25 zoran > ubuntu 7.10 Oct 31 15:22:30 cool Oct 31 15:22:55 * Tak nods Oct 31 15:23:00 Thanks for the info alterego & Tak Oct 31 15:23:01 Rothiel, Look at '/bin/sh ./config.sub1' .. Now .. Where do you think the file should be? Oct 31 15:23:06 if I recall, you could just unzip files, or I'm totaly missing things Oct 31 15:23:16 - the 1 Oct 31 15:23:25 :) Oct 31 15:25:54 alterego > I don't have config.sub in my /bin Oct 31 15:26:22 Rothiel, I'll give you another clue. './config.sub' .. Now .. What makes you think it's in the /bin directory? Oct 31 15:28:01 because it's a binary Oct 31 15:28:29 Rothiel, this is my final clue. './' Oct 31 15:28:34 Do you know what that is? Oct 31 15:28:47 Rothiel, run it in a directory you are in Oct 31 15:29:45 './' is used to launch a binary, no ? that's why I learned :/ Oct 31 15:30:06 ./ is the _relative_ path to your current directory Oct 31 15:30:07 not necessary Oct 31 15:30:08 not necessarily Oct 31 15:30:13 or a path, but . is the current directory Oct 31 15:30:20 yep Oct 31 15:30:26 just do that Oct 31 15:30:39 So what makes you think that ./something is in the bin directory? That's just stupid. Oct 31 15:31:22 I admit Oct 31 15:31:23 ;( Oct 31 15:31:29 some systems does not use a lot ascii files as executable Oct 31 15:32:57 ok Oct 31 15:33:05 tsk, no need for abuse ;-) Oct 31 15:34:07 Sorry, I was just trying to get him to think a bit more about what was going on ;) Oct 31 15:34:30 instead, abuse me for not being able to figure out why my vkb stops displaying strings once I enter a space Oct 31 15:34:39 no problem Tak =) Oct 31 15:35:14 Are you using any regular expressions? Oct 31 15:35:44 Is the space actually being out put? Oct 31 15:36:19 yes Oct 31 15:36:32 I've got puts all over the place telling me what the strings actually are, etc Oct 31 15:36:52 Are you outputting every character? Oct 31 15:37:14 currently, I'm appending a string and rerendering the label surface when it changes Oct 31 15:37:38 Right Oct 31 15:37:48 But after a space nothing happens? Oct 31 15:37:51 wtf - if I change the character that key returns to '_' , it works, but with ' ', it's broken Oct 31 15:37:59 after a space, nothing ever happens again Oct 31 15:38:16 e.g. 'hello maemo' => 'hello' Oct 31 15:38:44 Is that the value of the string as output by puts? Oct 31 15:38:56 no, puts outputs the actual string Oct 31 15:38:56 Just wondering if the label and puts display the same string. Oct 31 15:39:00 no. Oct 31 15:39:02 Okay Oct 31 15:39:11 So there's someting wrong with your label rendering code. Oct 31 15:39:12 puts displays the correct string Oct 31 15:39:22 May I see that part? Oct 31 15:39:24 there must be, but it's not complicated enough for that Oct 31 15:39:28 The bit that updates your label. Oct 31 15:39:51 Maybe it's a problem with ruby-game or whatever .. Oct 31 15:39:55 @background = @font.render_utf8(@text, false, @textcolor) Oct 31 15:40:06 then later, @background.blit() Oct 31 15:40:34 Okay Oct 31 15:40:57 well...rubygame is capable of rendering strings with spaces in them; I tried with a little, barebones demo Oct 31 15:41:00 are you wrapping? Oct 31 15:41:12 sp3000: not yet Oct 31 15:42:57 Interesting. Oct 31 15:43:35 Tak, try using just 'render' forget about UTF8 for now. Oct 31 15:43:48 * Tak trying now Oct 31 15:44:19 Also, presuming I'm right, try 32.chr instead of ' ' Oct 31 15:44:36 It will help you modularise your keyboard in the future too ;) Oct 31 15:44:42 hah, you think it's interpreting as an int? Oct 31 15:44:59 No Oct 31 15:45:01 * Tak cough, Fixnum Oct 31 15:45:24 heh, actually the whitespacing is a special case - everything else gets read from a vkb xml Oct 31 15:45:37 I just think 32.chr is better than a load of string "literals" as key tests. Oct 31 15:45:45 same thing with render() Oct 31 15:45:51 :( Oct 31 15:46:02 Weird. Oct 31 15:46:40 And you've done a test case where having a space in a string renders correctly? Oct 31 15:46:46 yes Oct 31 15:46:59 Does the font have a space character? ^+^ Oct 31 15:47:11 Same font and everything? Oct 31 15:47:32 yeah, same font, same color, same size, same args Oct 31 15:48:11 oh, and so far I can only duplicate on the device :-/ Oct 31 15:48:32 same thing with 32.chr Oct 31 15:50:27 Weirdness. Oct 31 15:50:36 is it possible to move files from nokia phones, using bt to 770/800? Oct 31 15:51:04 <|R> it should Oct 31 15:51:08 * Tak shrugs Oct 31 15:51:16 works with a laptop using bt Oct 31 15:51:17 try before asking? :) Oct 31 15:51:54 I found that on phone I prefer, micro card has some apps, that have to be copied to another, bigger card Oct 31 15:52:00 zoran: yes - it should work. For example, you can send to the N800 using Obex, or send from in the File Manager. *May* have only got really useful in IT OS 2007, I remember it wasn't great before, but can't remember at what version that was. Oct 31 15:52:06 and I still don't have the very phone yet Oct 31 15:53:28 gonna try, promise Oct 31 15:55:25 ah, btxfer Oct 31 15:55:43 any common reasons why would osso_initialize fail? Oct 31 15:56:25 * Tak bashes head against wall Oct 31 15:57:38 and you will whitewash it again? Oct 31 15:57:55 it'll be like a halloween decoration Oct 31 15:58:05 lol Oct 31 15:58:44 Jaffa, did you mean having obex server on 770/800, from mulliner.org? Oct 31 15:59:21 or simple btxfer from garage? Oct 31 16:00:21 zoran: With IT OS 2007 it's all built-in Oct 31 16:00:32 hm, 2006 Oct 31 16:00:57 Hacker Edition is your friend. Oct 31 16:01:07 cosmo_: Running without run-standalone.sh is quite common Oct 31 16:01:30 dog is not a friend anymore? Oct 31 16:02:03 theril: that doesn't help :/ Oct 31 16:02:08 * Tak continue working on the assumption he'll get ws issue fixed someday Oct 31 16:03:05 Jaffa, what is shown as process, when you do obex data transfer? Oct 31 16:03:35 zoran: dunno, I've never checked ps whilst doing it; since it's all GUI based. Oct 31 16:03:49 k, gonna find out already Oct 31 16:04:15 and it is the most fun thing, making things work Oct 31 16:05:02 cosmo_: Also if d-bus has been shut down or crashed, it will probably fail Oct 31 16:06:19 You can also try to check errno if some lower-level routine fails Oct 31 16:28:53 * zoran gone to help dragons to distinguish the throat fire Oct 31 16:32:24 hola Oct 31 16:32:25 <_Monkey> que tal, lopz Oct 31 16:32:54 xD Oct 31 16:35:26 bye all Oct 31 16:51:04 <|R> what's the stock software to use for videoconf on the n800? Oct 31 16:51:14 <|R> my friend just got his n800, i have someone to talk too hehe ;P Oct 31 16:51:17 <|R> to Oct 31 16:57:32 im assuming whent he new os refresh is out.. well be able to use skype video and gtalk video.. with anyone not just other nokia users? Oct 31 17:04:36 You mean you can't already? Oct 31 17:07:51 alterego: nope Oct 31 17:08:25 Weird. Oct 31 17:08:31 I wonder if that's because of codecs. Oct 31 17:28:56 interesting - if you subscribe to an event queue, you need to register an additional exception handler Oct 31 17:53:29 Hmm Oct 31 17:53:56 * ccooke wonders what is most thought of as lacking on the n800/n810 Oct 31 17:54:27 depends by whom Oct 31 17:54:41 always :-) Oct 31 17:54:44 lack of 3d video accel Oct 31 17:54:57 yep Oct 31 17:54:58 insufficient video bandwidth Oct 31 17:55:13 lack of polished, preinstalled PIM software Oct 31 17:55:26 lack of RHS buttons Oct 31 17:55:37 maturity Oct 31 17:55:49 compare the quality of OS2005 with 2006 and 2007 Oct 31 17:55:54 the progress is incredible Oct 31 17:56:01 I can't wait for OS2010 Oct 31 17:58:26 Indeed. Oct 31 17:58:39 Unfortunately, sometimes I think I *can't* wait for OS 2010 :( Oct 31 18:13:17 Is there any well-recommended to-do list software for the N800? Oct 31 18:15:15 Nope Oct 31 18:15:28 Nuts. :( Oct 31 18:15:31 Someone was discussing on ITT about creating a new one. There's GPE Todo but it's a bit... Oct 31 18:15:36 It may do what you want. Oct 31 18:15:50 Mayhaps I should just keep a text document of stuff I have to do. :) Oct 31 18:16:49 I use yellow notes. Oct 31 18:16:53 Though mine's blue. Oct 31 18:16:54 I used to write these things down on scraps of paper, then I graduated to text documents in a folder on my desktop, then I sorta started using my palm... but ultimately, my palm is just a glorified collection of text documents. Oct 31 18:17:06 Rask330, you should check out "yellow notes" Oct 31 18:17:18 Is it a program, or are you just referring to post-its? :P Oct 31 18:17:24 * Jaffa used Jotter on his Psion a *lot*. However, now I'm trying to use a TiddlyWiki on my laptop; but syncing it to my N800 is a bit of a pain Oct 31 18:17:38 Rask330, it's an program. Oct 31 18:18:09 Hm. Does it run on a PC or on the N800? Oct 31 18:18:50 N800 Oct 31 18:19:02 We are in Maemo :P I wouldn't have suggested anything else. Oct 31 18:19:32 Yeah, not sure about syncing. Oct 31 18:20:08 Heyas~! Oct 31 18:20:31 Good evening. Oct 31 18:20:39 I just got my Apple Wireless Keyboard paired with my 770 and it works fine in Osso-Xterm but in nothing else o_O; Oct 31 18:20:55 A good halloween evening to you too n.n Oct 31 18:21:08 I just had a load of kids knock on my door. Oct 31 18:21:26 I wonder if they knew I put laxatives in their candy .. Muahahah Oct 31 18:21:31 XD Oct 31 18:21:40 I'm sure they'll find out soon enough Oct 31 18:21:55 Yes, that's at least 5 children not going to school tomorrow. Oct 31 18:22:10 alterego: truly a scary evening. Oct 31 18:22:11 I guess I did them a favour. Oct 31 18:22:25 giggles Oct 31 18:22:31 I was wondering if anyone knew how to get the Maemo environment to recognize this keyboard, seeing as Xterm and the rest of the OS seems to x_x; Oct 31 18:22:36 alterego: You could label them "Skiving Snackboxes" and they'd eat them on purpose Oct 31 18:22:44 :) Oct 31 18:22:55 I can hear lots of shouting and squealing outside (good that it's not the surly teenagers), but only had next door's kids knock on my door (possibly due to me being the only one in and so not having many lights on) Oct 31 18:23:05 I didn't really spike their candy. That'd be too cruel. Even for me, and even for me on halloween ^_^ Oct 31 18:23:11 dowellconning: if you start a new app, such as Notes, does that work? Oct 31 18:23:31 No it doesn't :| Oct 31 18:23:36 Odd. Oct 31 18:23:41 It only works in Xterm :| Oct 31 18:24:05 I connected it using hidd --connect (I needed to turn on encryption in the conf too) Oct 31 18:24:28 Did you then do the hildon-input-method thing? Oct 31 18:24:50 I did not o.o; Oct 31 18:24:57 That'll be it then. Oct 31 18:25:08 I have no experience with maemo tbh <_<;; I'm a OS X hacker :P Oct 31 18:25:17 * dowellconning googles for that Oct 31 18:25:21 Thanks a lot Jaffa Oct 31 18:25:22 The desktop needs to be told about the input method switch. ISTR it's `hildon-input-method ...', but can't remember the details. Oct 31 18:25:25 No probs Oct 31 18:26:15 Brb~ Oct 31 18:29:23 This looks very complex o.o; Oct 31 18:30:19 By OS X hacker do you mean web app designer? ^_^ Oct 31 18:30:35 XD Oct 31 18:30:44 No no. Oct 31 18:31:09 I mess with the OS X kernel and stuff n.n Oct 31 18:31:19 I didn't realise you could do that. Oct 31 18:31:27 I thought the kernel was a closed source BSD kernel. Oct 31 18:31:27 Yesh, it's open source =D Oct 31 18:31:30 Nuu Oct 31 18:31:38 Cool. Oct 31 18:33:03 http://www.opensource.apple.com/darwinsource/ Oct 31 18:33:27 <||cw> some of the drivers are not open though right? Oct 31 18:33:28 Well, I don't have a Mac. Oct 31 18:33:43 <||cw> you can run darwin on anything Oct 31 18:33:44 But I don't have one of those iPhone majiggies, they don't do essentially anything I would want one for. Oct 31 18:33:49 Not ever likely to get one either. Oct 31 18:33:50 * dowellconning nodnods Oct 31 18:34:09 Not until they are more value for money. Though, the mini's are quite cool. I might get one of those some time. Oct 31 18:35:39 So do I need to write my own input plugin to make this work or should it be much more simple than that? Oct 31 18:36:14 I'm looking at this: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/howto_him_bora.html Oct 31 18:40:56 re Oct 31 18:47:54 hello, iam a fresh n800 owner, what pim /calender tools do you suggest? Oct 31 18:48:33 <|R> uhm, i heard about GPE, haven't tried any pim though... Oct 31 18:50:39 a tablet pc without a default calender application, from nokia ... i could not believe that Oct 31 18:51:40 it's not really meant to be a PIM device Oct 31 18:51:43 the gpe apps at http://downloads.kernelconcepts.de/maemo/ have not been updated since jan.2006 Oct 31 18:51:55 i can not believe that works well on os 2007 Oct 31 18:55:30 hi, is it advisable to upgrade to os2007 hacker edition on the 770? any drawbacks? or just advantages? Oct 31 18:57:04 n800newuser: Graham Cobb's building regular up-to-date GPE packages. Oct 31 18:57:29 n800newuser: http://www.cobb.uk.net/770/#gpe Oct 31 18:59:13 no comment? Oct 31 19:00:08 lauti: I guess there are disadvantages, otherwise it would be used by everyone. Oct 31 19:00:52 Jaffa: read somewhere there were actually no drawbacks... Oct 31 19:01:18 Oh? Oct 31 19:01:46 Jaffa: i am particularily interested in an update of opera since it crashes by any chance Oct 31 19:01:52 lauti: I'm using 2007HE Oct 31 19:02:03 it uses the same browser engine as os2006, though Oct 31 19:02:15 Tak: and you are satisfied with it? Oct 31 19:02:27 for the most part, yes Oct 31 19:02:57 I have been having reboot-loop issues, but I suspect it's from software I installed Oct 31 19:03:02 any hint how to get opera more stabie? Oct 31 19:03:20 have you enabled swap? Oct 31 19:03:45 no clue... did not touch it... all on default Oct 31 19:04:42 does anyone know how to switch the sound output from headphone to loudspeaker in the N800 even when the headphone is connected? Oct 31 19:05:10 now I have gmail-imap I am ready to start trying out claws a little more Oct 31 19:05:12 I recommend enabling the largest possible amount of swap, from AppsMenu -> Tools -> Control Panel -> Memory Oct 31 19:05:32 is the code for the fmradio app open? Oct 31 19:06:18 Tak: ok, thx Oct 31 19:06:37 Tak, no, its not =/ Oct 31 19:06:57 Tak, that's the problem :P Oct 31 19:07:15 hah Oct 31 19:07:22 https://garage.maemo.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=1614 "programs are less likely to crash" Oct 31 19:07:34 (about seatbelt) Oct 31 19:08:34 <|R> why would they close the fmradio program? Oct 31 19:08:39 Tak, do you have any idea how could I do that? Oct 31 19:08:52 <|R> it's not like it's advanced technology that would give them a secret advantage ;) Oct 31 19:09:19 MiguelAugusto: sorry, I don't Oct 31 19:09:42 my guess: it would divulge proprietary information about the fm radio chip Oct 31 19:09:51 I think that all such apps are close (the apps that come with documentation and slick looks) Oct 31 19:09:55 Tak, no problem, thanks any way =D Oct 31 19:10:01 de nada Oct 31 19:10:14 I guess its not created inside the osso dep Oct 31 19:10:23 * Tak reads ITT thread about seatbelt Oct 31 19:11:08 * keesj used to remeber every freshmeat software tool, but only tries to keep up with maemo news Oct 31 19:12:35 the news archive on maemo.org should really be longer Oct 31 19:33:49 Does anyone know how to stop Osso-Xterm from doing weird [] [] type things when I press Backspace? Oct 31 19:35:37 Also I haven't quite sorted out this hildon-input-method thing :| Oct 31 19:36:28 I just want to switch the input method to an external bluetooth keyboard. Oct 31 19:37:20 Grr~ X3 Oct 31 19:43:42 Wait >_<; It's kinda working :| When I hit F10 It comes up with a menu where I can select Osso Input Method however I still cannot type in Notes or the web browser Oct 31 19:44:17 dowellconning: are you using it2007 /n800? Oct 31 19:44:32 I don't believe so Oct 31 19:44:39 770? Oct 31 19:44:43 It's a N770 with the default OSA Oct 31 19:44:46 *OS Oct 31 19:45:23 on that case you need to run some command line tool to switch the input method Oct 31 19:45:43 http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_SetupKeyboard Oct 31 19:45:55 Oooh thankies =D Oct 31 19:46:08 something like maemo-gtk-im-switch xim Oct 31 19:46:18 It works in Osso-Xterm but only as menu thingies in the rest of the system Oct 31 19:46:34 I connected it manually using hidd --conect Oct 31 19:46:37 *connect Oct 31 19:53:46 Now that we have host mode sort of working.. Oct 31 19:53:52 http://sewelldirect.com/USB-to-DVI-Adapter.asp Oct 31 19:55:27 o_____O; Somehow it fixed itself! Oct 31 19:55:32 I have no idea how though XD Oct 31 20:00:24 keesj: we're not installing maemo-gtk-im-switch anymore Oct 31 20:00:28 in chinook that is Oct 31 20:00:40 it was trivial anyway Oct 31 20:02:05 I just bought an N800 Oct 31 20:04:58 Does anyone know if there are keyboard shortcuts to bring up the applications menu? Oct 31 20:06:03 XD Thats epic Oct 31 20:08:51 hum... 16GB or 2GB? Oct 31 20:08:59 ah, N800 :P wins Oct 31 20:18:15 Wow~ I officially love my 770 now *swoons* Oct 31 20:19:44 ? Oct 31 20:20:36 Apple wireless keyboard + 770 + Xchat = IRC anywhere =D Oct 31 20:20:42 Also Perl built in Oct 31 20:21:05 don't forget about ruby ;-) Oct 31 20:21:30 ITOS has perl available? Oct 31 20:21:37 I thought all the fuss was about Python. Oct 31 20:24:19 I like Ruby, but then I think I may have been influenced by Why's guide to Ruby X3 Oct 31 20:27:56 Ruby is the language of the Gods. Oct 31 20:28:04 i want the cursor rocker 'click' for keyboard presses. Oct 31 20:28:37 Is there a way to close a window that doesn't have a close window button in maemo? Oct 31 20:28:52 dowellconning, how on earth did you manage that one? Oct 31 20:29:11 XChat's utility windows don't have close buttons :< Oct 31 20:29:12 dowellconning, press the task navigator menu button, and next to the program there's a close window button Oct 31 20:29:15 <||cw> re language of the gods http://xkcd.com/224/ Oct 31 20:29:20 Oh, you can't close dialogs. Oct 31 20:29:23 fysakk: Really? It would seem like that would get annoying before long. Oct 31 20:29:46 re? Oct 31 20:29:52 alterego: Is there a way to do it? Oct 31 20:30:05 Press the "Cancel" button? Oct 31 20:30:24 There is none o_o Oct 31 20:30:27 :/ Oct 31 20:30:34 You could close XChat Oct 31 20:31:01 I know, but I'm going to want to open this dialog often... it's the URL grabber one Oct 31 20:31:32 Well, I don't use XChat on Maemo, I would love to but there is a lot of UI tweaks needed. Oct 31 20:31:46 the maemo-xchat build is pretty nice Oct 31 20:31:47 I just use pidgin for all my communicative needs. Oct 31 20:32:05 Tak, it is, it's just there are certain dialogs that are too big for the screen. Oct 31 20:32:22 Is there a better choice of IRC client without going to CLI? Oct 31 20:32:41 alterego: most of those have been resized and/or scrollpaned in maemo-xchat Oct 31 20:32:45 * Tak uses xchat Oct 31 20:33:03 Tak: Is there a way to close the dialogs? Oct 31 20:33:25 they should all have a close button Oct 31 20:33:35 URL Grabber doesn't seem to :| Oct 31 20:33:52 dowellconning: If you have an external keyboard, you could try ctrl-F4... Oct 31 20:34:17 Rask330: I am and I tried that :| Oct 31 20:34:19 you're using http://downloads.maemo.org/product/maemo-xchat/ , correct? Oct 31 20:34:29 I thought it was ALT-F4 Oct 31 20:35:02 Neither work Oct 31 20:35:11 alterego: It usually is. For some reason, though, the default shortcut in maemo is ctrl-F4. Oct 31 20:35:37 Tak: I beleive so o.o; There is a chance I got it from a repository though Oct 31 20:35:49 anybody have OS2008 on there N800? Oct 31 20:36:06 Interesting Oct 31 20:36:15 skibur_, it's not out yet. Oct 31 20:36:26 there was a build of xchat where the dialogs all ran off the screen, etc Oct 31 20:36:43 I'll try downloading the version from that link though Oct 31 20:37:02 o ok Oct 31 20:38:27 Oh actually, will I have OS 2007 installed? o.o; Oct 31 20:38:38 I have the default OS on a 770 Oct 31 20:38:49 That I bought about a week ago Oct 31 20:39:26 Or is there some way I can check? Oct 31 20:41:10 * dowellconning tries it anyway Oct 31 20:42:21 No it said it was unable to install :| Oct 31 20:43:25 But I have Xchat version 2.6.4-2 Oct 31 20:43:38 is the N800 bigger than the Nintendo DS? Oct 31 20:44:57 It's as big as Xbox Oct 31 20:45:04 <||cw> heh Oct 31 20:45:18 <||cw> the size should be on the spec Oct 31 20:49:10 Yes, as big as the xbox, when it's compacted by a garbage truck. Oct 31 20:49:33 i have a nokia n770 Oct 31 20:49:39 Someone should invent a shrink ray, then they could make devices as small as they wanted. Oct 31 20:49:46 its a little smaller than a hp calculator. Oct 31 20:50:17 it easily fits inside my pants pocket. too big for a shirt pocket. Oct 31 20:51:50 "I don't want to boil the ocean, but I would take baby steps before we spread the gospel" Oct 31 20:55:51 Does anyone know how I can get Irssi onto my 770? As Xchat is being very silly :| Oct 31 20:56:25 dowellconning: remove the old xchat, install the new xchat? Oct 31 20:56:44 I have to remove the old one first? Oct 31 20:57:28 you may - I think the packages probably conflict Oct 31 20:57:35 Okay I'm trying that now Oct 31 20:58:51 Wow, yes that worked, now to see if that dialog is fixed =D Oct 31 20:58:55 Thankies Oct 31 20:59:13 np Oct 31 21:00:30 o_o; I can't type # XD Oct 31 21:00:52 Oh wait American layout Oct 31 21:00:58 Shift and 3 =D Oct 31 21:01:28 Awesome =D Thanks Tak that works perfectly n.n Oct 31 21:01:43 cool Oct 31 21:09:18 we should start to educate people to not talk about hardware versions but os versions Oct 31 21:12:29 I would love to talk about my OS version, if only I knew what it was o_o; Oct 31 21:12:49 dowellconning: if you feel lucky try http://www.keesj.dds.nl/irssi_0.8.12_armel.deb Oct 31 21:13:10 and if you want to make me happy tell me if it works :) Oct 31 21:45:04 Downloading now n.n Oct 31 21:46:00 I think I will keep using XChat for most things now that it is working Oct 31 21:46:24 where does irssi install to? Oct 31 21:46:33 I don't get anything at the prompt Oct 31 21:46:56 oh wait XD Oct 31 21:47:03 I am ssh'd into my iMac lol! Oct 31 21:47:45 keesj: It works perfectly =D Oct 31 21:59:16 dowellconning: ok thanks Oct 31 21:59:25 Your very welcome Oct 31 22:13:24 keesj: is that built from the newly updated mud package? ;-) Oct 31 22:31:34 How does one determine your OS version? Oct 31 22:33:57 There's got to be a better way of doing software development for Maemo than all these massive 50MB tarballs - just for Scratchbox (he says, as he installs Chinook on yet-another-machine) Oct 31 22:35:03 50mb for sdk environment doesnt sound bad Oct 31 22:35:21 Jaffa: it's called sb2 ;) Oct 31 22:35:25 some fuckin j2me emulators are in that league Oct 31 22:39:45 gla55: no, there's about 8 50MB bundles Oct 31 22:40:09 suihkulokki: trouble is, there doesn't seem to be any documentation on how to use Sb2 for Maemo dev - if it's even possible. Oct 31 22:42:41 it wasn't possible the last time I checked, but mostly because it didn't work on 64bit linux Oct 31 22:43:02 http://rubyx.co.uk:3000/home - I designed this one with the tablet in mind ^_^ Oct 31 22:43:05 maybe that's been fixed in the mean time Oct 31 22:43:26 even so you'd still have to install maemo on it, which might be non-trivial Oct 31 22:44:17 alterego: nice design, but fixed width? how 1999. Oct 31 22:44:17 db48x: vmware :) Oct 31 22:44:25 or something Oct 31 22:44:30 timeless: how many OSes do I want installed on one machine? ;-) Oct 31 22:44:31 Jaffa, there's nothing wrong with fixed width :P Oct 31 22:44:36 timeless: yea, especially since I ended up having to use vmware anyway Oct 31 22:44:39 you can vmware a 32bit linux, right? Oct 31 22:44:49 alterego: there's lots wrong with fixed width... but I'm going to bed now ;-) Oct 31 22:44:53 timeless: yup Oct 31 22:44:54 has nokia announced the release date for the nokia 810? Oct 31 22:44:57 In your mind .. Oct 31 22:45:08 nwidger: "mid November". Oct 31 22:45:14 Some designs have to be built like that. Oct 31 22:45:19 nwidger: i think the announcement was "before 1/1/2008" :) Oct 31 22:45:25 Jaffa: nothing more specific than that? Oct 31 22:45:29 ah okay... Oct 31 22:45:38 but i want one! :P Oct 31 22:45:46 you can't preorder? Oct 31 22:45:58 i dunno, can you? Oct 31 22:46:02 dunno Oct 31 22:46:05 hm. Oct 31 22:46:15 if you can... that would be a smart thing to do Oct 31 22:46:40 My Mum says thanks for noticing alterego =3 Oct 31 22:46:55 dowellconning, :) Oct 31 22:47:01 if you can't, that would be the nokia hting not to offer :( Oct 31 22:47:57 timeless: haha Oct 31 22:48:01 alterego: So, my partially sighted friend bumps up the font size a little in his nice big browser window and sees: http://www.flegg.org/~andrew/rubyx.png Oct 31 22:48:23 alterego: or, you say you designed it for the tablet, but if the browser window's not fullscreen, you'll get scrolling. Oct 31 22:48:39 * sciboy yawns a little. Oct 31 22:48:50 or? Oct 31 22:48:50 <_Monkey> i guess or is the libxrandr just the client side library? Oct 31 22:49:01 Who browses on the tablet without full screen? Oct 31 22:49:11 Who zooms in far enough to break the design? Oct 31 22:49:25 Someone with bad vision? Oct 31 22:49:32 I'm not ignorant to these issues but CSS isn't perfect and sometimes you have to work around that. Oct 31 22:49:46 People that find it hard to read should turn of CSS completely. Oct 31 22:49:46 1) I browse regularly full screen for quick checks of information because the redraw speed for moving from fullscreen and back again is too painful. Oct 31 22:50:15 Why? Because the designer can't be arsed to do it properly? Oct 31 22:51:07 CSS isn't perfect by a *loooong* shot; however I've yet to see a visual design which couldn't be implemented in a fluid layout, it's just the designer's stubbornness on having it pixel "perfect" (as if that's achievable with HTML) means it's fixed width. Oct 31 22:51:07 The problems that your capture show are fixed anyhow. Oct 31 22:51:41 Well, except the backgrounds, but I'll redo the tiles later. Oct 31 22:51:49 You can't fix having 4 words on a line without losing fixed width. Oct 31 22:52:03 Anyway, I'm not your boss - it's your website, do what you like :-) Oct 31 22:52:10 Personally, I quite fancy getting some sleep... Oct 31 22:52:12 g'night Oct 31 22:52:36 O_o Oct 31 22:52:47 What's wrong with being pixel perfect .. Oct 31 22:53:13 You're one of those "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder folk aren't you?!" :P Oct 31 22:53:38 the expectation that your design will remain exactly the same across all viewers and devices Oct 31 22:54:01 No, I'm just a pragmatist. You should design to the technical limitations of the medium. The web can't be pixel perfect without having a big image. You're too dependent on colour depths, installed fonts, zoom levels, screen size, configuration, OS etc. Oct 31 22:54:08 rather than taking a little extra time and effort to make it look good on all viewers and devices, rather than exactly the same but broken Oct 31 22:54:32 I check on all common browsers. Oct 31 22:54:38 Edge cases just have to make do. Oct 31 22:54:43 but anyway, how has scratchbox2 progressed in the last few months Oct 31 22:55:04 For example, one of our fixed widths at work looked lovely on our user's 1024x768 displays - all Windows, all maximised browser windows, with no vertical scrolling even. Lovely. But then loads of people had their windows taskbars at the side of the screen, so we ended up with horizontal scrolling rather than vertical, and it looked shoddy. Oct 31 22:55:35 That's your fault for making such a wide site .. Oct 31 22:56:00 I say "your fault" I obviously don't mean _your_ fault :P Oct 31 22:56:02 I'll take the "your" to be the "your company" rather than a first-person personal pronoun ;-) Oct 31 22:56:08 ;) Oct 31 22:56:21 My point is that every fixed width design is too wide for some display. Or too narrow. Or just too *fixed*. Oct 31 22:56:28 The vast majority of the time my browser windows are 800x600 or smaller. Oct 31 22:56:36 yea, but the point is that you can't pick any size that will be ok on all screens Oct 31 22:56:42 * Jaffa 's average around 900x700px Oct 31 22:56:52 and window arrangements Oct 31 22:56:54 Same for mine. Oct 31 22:56:58 I think that layout looks good. Oct 31 22:57:14 so you should make a design that can cope with all of them, or as wide a selection of them as possible Oct 31 22:57:16 Once I create the proper background tiles .. Oct 31 22:57:23 Having a 360* scroll ball on the Apple mouse made me stop making my windows fit webpages Oct 31 22:57:30 I think that layout looks fine. But it could be a variable-width and look identical in your browser, but also look good on 480x320 screen. Oct 31 22:57:42 Rubbish Oct 31 22:58:01 Variable width wouldn't be able to place those view panels the way they are and resize correctly. Oct 31 22:58:06 So my browser window is normally about 600 width 1000 height Oct 31 22:58:21 dowellconning, that's great, until that little scroll nipple gets filled with gunk and stops functioning. Oct 31 22:58:24 alterego: they don't resize now, so any resizing would be an improvement ;-) Oct 31 22:58:31 In your opinion. Oct 31 22:58:42 So true GA Oct 31 22:59:05 IF you're going to view a site with a 480 width resolution then you should expect it to have problems. Oct 31 22:59:07 alterego: for our non-hypothetical partially sited user, or our user on a non-maximised tablet, or ... Oct 31 22:59:43 Not even the maemo website works non-fullscreen .. Oct 31 22:59:56 Anyway, I *guarantee* I could reproduce that design such that it looked identical in your browser, but scaled adequately within a realistic manner from about 480px wide up to 1600px wide. Oct 31 23:00:06 I understand exactly where you're coming from. Oct 31 23:00:53 But until CSS allows me to place to floating divs next to each other, where I can specify a percentage width for each and margin. Which doesn't break when the zoom levels are changed I'm not going to bother. Oct 31 23:01:07 I use resizable designs often. But not exclusively. Oct 31 23:01:08 But your design breaks when zoom levels change anyway! Oct 31 23:01:13 No it doesn't. Oct 31 23:01:19 How does it break? Oct 31 23:01:35 You get 4 words to a line with a couple of steps of zoom. That's not exactly readable. Oct 31 23:01:48 It's perfectly readable. Oct 31 23:01:50 An argument? Over web-standards? How novel! *Monocle* Oct 31 23:02:01 Maybe because it's lipsum .. Oct 31 23:02:12 Your nav bar starts clashing elements, despite there still being lots of space left in my browser window... Oct 31 23:02:19 I have trouble reading it at any zoom level. Oct 31 23:02:39 Yeah, that's bound to happen. Oct 31 23:03:00 Anyhow, I actually do plan on making the design more fluid. Oct 31 23:03:21 The reason it isn't now is because the original design had a background image that was of those dimensions. Oct 31 23:03:38 But I couldn't get the image to look right so I scraped that design and did the one that you just saw. Oct 31 23:04:08 And the fixed dimensions are more of a side effect from the first design :P Oct 31 23:18:49 is possible to use a bluetooth Oct 31 23:18:49 Oct 31 23:18:49 Headset Oct 31 23:18:57 with nokia n800 ? Oct 31 23:19:09 (to use with voip etc...) Oct 31 23:21:39 Oh alterego, forgot to mention that blender does have some paint tools for textures and such, might be fun to play with all that on Maemo Oct 31 23:22:18 I've used blender a fair amount. Oct 31 23:22:22 Just not the engine. Oct 31 23:22:42 Really? What kinda stuff have you done in it? Oct 31 23:25:56 Nothing serious, I was writing my own game engine a while back and I was using it to model weapons etc. Oct 31 23:26:40 Got 90% through doing a very detailed Berretta 92FS and my computer died and I lost all the data. Oct 31 23:26:59 Needless to say, now I perform backups very regularly. Oct 31 23:27:22 Hmm .. Another bug in microbe Oct 31 23:28:43 What bug is that? Oct 31 23:29:06 It screwing up the background on my layout :/ Oct 31 23:29:23 2008 or 2007? Oct 31 23:29:23 <_Monkey> 2015 Oct 31 23:29:48 sciboy, how many times are we going to have to tell you it's not out yet? Oct 31 23:29:54 By we I mean me Oct 31 23:30:02 I don't care about the others saying it :P Oct 31 23:30:18 I don't know if you were one of the people who got their hands on the N810 Oct 31 23:30:57 I know of 3 people that got one other than Nokia workers. Oct 31 23:31:12 The blogging trio. Oct 31 23:31:14 And I don't think any of those three come in here .. Oct 31 23:31:23 Yes Oct 31 23:32:51 Well I've been holding off on a couple of bugs until 2008 comes round and I can confirm they're still valid. Oct 31 23:38:34 There, fluid layout :) Oct 31 23:40:28 alterego, I do 2D animation in Blender for the most part. Oct 31 23:40:47 Sculpting and modelling for fun, but rarely anything serious. Oct 31 23:41:00 Yah, same kind of thing with me really. Oct 31 23:41:05 I find modelling relaxing. Oct 31 23:41:17 I guess now I find coding quite relaxing I don't need to model. Oct 31 23:41:23 * alterego hugs Ruby Oct 31 23:41:46 Modeling is so zen. Oct 31 23:42:03 My main way to relax is doodling in any medium and animating. Oct 31 23:42:31 alterego: I was looking at your examples and I noticed a problem with one. Oct 31 23:42:39 zerojay, yes? Oct 31 23:42:44 I pretty much just drop down random lines or colours and play with it for as long as I want, in the end it usually turns into some wierd creature. Oct 31 23:42:47 There are probably many ;) Oct 31 23:42:52 alterego: Let me find which it was... Oct 31 23:43:02 My examples are all really bad. Oct 31 23:43:31 I just blurted them out whilst testing bits of the API and just wanted to show how to use certain things. They're very poorly designed. Oct 31 23:43:33 Does the cam work with skype? Oct 31 23:43:40 svenn800: No. Oct 31 23:43:45 Infact, they're just scripts. I wouldn't even call them programs ;) Oct 31 23:44:04 alterego: Okay.. hildon_banner.rb... Oct 31 23:44:15 The information banner doesn't work and causes it to die. ;P Oct 31 23:44:41 button.signal_connect("clicked") do Oct 31 23:44:41 banner = Hildon::Banner.show_information window, "Information" Oct 31 23:44:41 banner.show_all Oct 31 23:44:41 end Oct 31 23:44:43 Interesting. Oct 31 23:44:52 banner.show_all appears to be the problem. Oct 31 23:45:29 I dont' remember what the actual error was but I believe it's something like show_all doesn't exist. Oct 31 23:45:40 Ah, you're using OS2007 .. Oct 31 23:45:45 Yeah. Oct 31 23:45:47 Damnit. Oct 31 23:45:54 Sorry, my fault. Oct 31 23:46:24 maemo3 'banner_show_information' doesn't return anything. maemo4 returns a HildonBanner .. Oct 31 23:46:34 No biggie. I wasn't sure if it was my fault or not. ;) Oct 31 23:46:40 Regardless, that "show_all" shouldn't be there. Oct 31 23:47:47 zerojay, thanks for the heads up though. Fixed the example now ;) Oct 31 23:47:52 Keep the feedback coming. Oct 31 23:48:03 Anyways, Ruby looks really good for Maemo. You've done a good job as far as I can tell. :) Oct 31 23:48:15 zerojay, thank you for saying so. Oct 31 23:48:34 I've put a lot of effort into it. Oct 31 23:48:58 Though I've been sloppy with the documentation and testing. Oct 31 23:49:12 I'd imagine there are ~10 faults in it somewhere. Oct 31 23:49:55 That's why I've not officially announced it on the developers list. I was planning on doing some testing this weekend and release it properly in sync with OS2008/N810 Oct 31 23:50:39 So it'll probably be updated about once a week until I feel it's stable and I've added the other bindings I want to do before 1.0 Oct 31 23:50:50 Well, you've gotten me interested in screwing around with Ruby, so it can't be that bad. ;) Oct 31 23:50:57 :) Oct 31 23:51:13 Well, I'm glad. Please do and tell me about all the wonderful bugs you find :D Oct 31 23:51:25 Will do, sir. Nov 01 01:18:57 Why doesn't the Pidgin.install from Maemo.org do anything? o.o Nov 01 01:22:00 Also I don't suppose anyone knows how to get bash running on a 770 (I don't know the OS version, allthough I\'d Nov 01 01:22:07 like to know how to determine this) Nov 01 01:56:40 Can anyone point me to a pigdin package that works? Nov 01 01:56:55 Better to set up a Jabber account with transports. Nov 01 01:58:34 Using the built in IM? Nov 01 01:59:32 You'll have to activate the transports with Psi or something on a computer. Nov 01 01:59:36 But, yeah. Nov 01 02:00:01 Kewl, thanks for your advice =3 Nov 01 02:00:07 I think you'll be able to use the pidgin-based telepathy-haze backend with the inbuilt stuff on OS2008 Nov 01 02:00:11 :) Nov 01 02:02:35 Kewl n.n Nov 01 02:02:49 I have no experience with Jabber, does it matter which server I choose? Nov 01 02:03:46 one with transports? Nov 01 02:03:55 Which do you use? Nov 01 02:04:03 Or, how do I tell? Nov 01 02:19:40 Grr... this is all very over complicated o.o; Nov 01 02:25:35 http://www.jabbim.com/ Nov 01 02:27:01 * dowellconning clicks Nov 01 02:28:48 MSN is down on that server apparently Nov 01 02:39:02 Ah, okay, I had a faulty repository that was stopping my app list refreshing Nov 01 02:39:10 I can get pidgin now n.n Nov 01 02:39:49 Pidgin is garbage on the tablets. ;) Nov 01 02:40:56 Probally, but better than Gaim I should imagine XD Nov 01 02:41:35 It's worth it to get the Jabber stuff working Nov 01 02:41:38 Much lighter weight. Nov 01 02:41:50 Doesn't clog up your RAM and your task bar. Nov 01 02:41:57 I think you are right, I'm just having difficulty with it at the moment :| Nov 01 02:42:12 If I could get the Jabber transports working in 5 mins then I would Nov 01 02:44:12 But I'm going to sleep in 5 mins and would like to have a MSN client working in the morning Nov 01 02:46:59 Aha, this'll do for now, but you are right about the RAM XD Nov 01 02:47:33 I will sort that out tomorrow Nov 01 02:47:41 Thanks for all your help n.n Nov 01 02:47:43 Goodnight **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Nov 01 02:59:57 2007