**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Nov 07 02:59:57 2007
Nov 07 05:20:34 <skibur_> are the applications on OS2008 tested?  If so, is OS2008 out?
Nov 07 05:43:16 <timeless> it's not yet out
Nov 07 05:46:37 <nitrogen> I'm having difficulty getting the maemo development environment set up for my N770.  Has anybody in here had success with that who could offer some suggestions?
Nov 07 05:46:56 <timeless> find a vmware image
Nov 07 05:50:50 <nitrogen> timeless: is it that difficult to get things going on, say, ubuntu using scratchbox?
Nov 07 05:51:23 <nitrogen> I have an environment set up, but the UI doesn't behave correctly in xephyr
Nov 07 05:56:23 <czr> nitrogen, which sdk, which ubuntu?
Nov 07 05:56:41 <nitrogen> czr: 2.2, I've tried ubuntu 7.04 and 7.10
Nov 07 05:57:16 <czr> hmm. that's odd. are you starting xephyr with the correct parameters? or can you describe the issues that you're having?
Nov 07 05:57:18 <nitrogen> the exact filename is Maemo_Dev_Platform_v2.2_i386-rootstrap.tgz
Nov 07 05:57:51 <czr> (there's a problem with dapper xephyr with 4.0beta sdk, because of 4.0beta wants to use composite, which the dapper xephyer doesn't know how to do properly, but this shouldn't be an issue for you at all)
Nov 07 05:58:13 <nitrogen> well, the people icon is missing, the left border of the hildon screen has some white rectangles where they shouldn't be, and second-level menus cause the entire menu to close
Nov 07 05:58:43 <czr> hmm
Nov 07 05:58:53 <czr> the last one sounds like the timing bug from 1.0 sdk
Nov 07 05:59:01 <czr> never used 2.2 myself
Nov 07 05:59:04 <nitrogen> i.e. I can open the first menu, but when I try to go to "Applications" or "Web" or whatever the menu closes instead
Nov 07 05:59:33 <czr> because the sdk doesn't come with web or applications?
Nov 07 05:59:40 <czr> the sdk is only meant to build software
Nov 07 05:59:48 <nitrogen> I bought the 770 when they went on sale exclusively so I could develop for it -- is there a better working version?
Nov 07 05:59:56 <czr> you can develop with the sdk
Nov 07 06:00:00 <czr> it's not an emulator
Nov 07 06:00:10 <czr> it's meant to build and test _your_ software
Nov 07 06:00:20 <nitrogen> I know, but according to the tutorial on maemo.org the UI should at least be complete
Nov 07 06:00:34 <czr> hmm, can you make a screenshot of your xephyr now?
Nov 07 06:00:38 <nitrogen> sure
Nov 07 06:00:47 <czr> and put it up somewhere.
Nov 07 06:04:58 <nitrogen> see http://www.slimetech.com/~nitrogen/maemo_problem_1.png
Nov 07 06:05:21 <nitrogen> vs. http://maemo.org/forrest-images/maemo_tutorial/Graphic6.png
Nov 07 06:17:43 * czr takes a peek
Nov 07 06:18:25 <czr> hmm. never quite seen that before :-)
Nov 07 06:18:35 <czr> have you tried stopping and restarting the af?
Nov 07 06:21:05 <nitrogen> czr: af-sb-init.sh stop/start ?
Nov 07 06:21:14 <tigert> huomenta | morning :)
Nov 07 06:22:14 <tigert> random mobility tip of the day: about:config in the mozilla browser,
Nov 07 06:22:19 <tigert> and set
Nov 07 06:22:30 <nitrogen> czr: many times.  Could it be my version of scratchbox?  (1.0.7)
Nov 07 06:22:38 <tigert> font.min-size.variable.x-western to 16
Nov 07 06:22:56 <tigert> much easier to read the web while walking :)
Nov 07 06:23:12 <tigert> and it still doesnt break layouts too much
Nov 07 06:24:06 <czr> nitrogen, yes (for the former)
Nov 07 06:24:33 <czr> you should check the install doc of the 2.2 sdk to see which version of SB should be used.
Nov 07 06:24:38 <czr> as I said, I never used 2.2
Nov 07 06:26:42 <nitrogen> czr: restarting the interface does nothing to fix the problem - I've tried this on and off for months
Nov 07 06:26:53 <nitrogen> but I've never tried moving to an older version of scratchbox
Nov 07 06:27:32 <czr> maybe you should hang around and ask someone else who used 2.2. never quite seen that kind of screen
Nov 07 06:28:40 <nitrogen> hm..  I'm using the version recommended on the tutorial, but the instructions in the tutorial don't match that version.
Nov 07 06:28:49 <nitrogen> thanks for your help anyway
Nov 07 06:30:12 <czr> np, good luck
Nov 07 07:23:06 <L0cutus> re
Nov 07 07:23:49 <L0cutus> gpe calendar have view problem when i try to set an appointment 'weekly'
Nov 07 07:24:01 <L0cutus> it doesn't show all the day i can check
Nov 07 08:36:50 <omeam> Hi #maemo
Nov 07 08:37:17 <omeam> Is there a gconf-key-reference for the n800 anywhere?
Nov 07 09:16:01 <florian> good morning
Nov 07 09:16:57 <omeam> florian: mornin'
Nov 07 09:17:34 <L0cutus> ciao florian
Nov 07 09:25:48 <omeam> sorry for double'post' - is there a gconf-key-reference for the n800 anywhere?
Nov 07 09:33:56 <inz> omeam, try gconftooling the keys
Nov 07 09:35:55 <omeam> inz: i would need a reference wich tellst me wich key does what...
Nov 07 09:37:48 <inz> omeam, try reading the schema xml files then, they should have some kind of explanation
Nov 07 09:38:07 <inz> omeam, they're in /etc/gconf/schemas or /usr/share/gconf/schemas
Nov 07 09:38:15 <omeam> where do i find the schemes?
Nov 07 09:38:23 <zuh> Try http://maemo.org/downloads/product/gconf-editor
Nov 07 09:38:26 <omeam>  /etc/gconf/schemes??
Nov 07 09:38:40 <omeam> zuh: ty
Nov 07 09:39:50 <inz> oh yeah, gconf-editor does show the descriptions
Nov 07 09:39:59 <AD-N770> bon dia / good morning
Nov 07 09:47:53 <bedboi> bon dia
Nov 07 10:11:06 <flip^> I read somewhere about a recent update to theme maker, but can't see anything more recent than june 07.... am i going crazy?
Nov 07 10:13:13 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Nov 07 10:29:21 <L0cutus> does exists 'tailf' for n800 ?
Nov 07 10:31:09 <flip^> as in tail -f
Nov 07 10:34:07 <L0cutus> woops
Nov 07 10:34:09 <L0cutus> thanks
Nov 07 10:36:05 <flip^> :)
Nov 07 10:37:14 <rothiel> Hi all :°)
Nov 07 10:38:44 <omeam> dumb question... is there a way to determine the current maemo-version in the scratchbox
Nov 07 10:38:57 <omeam> something like 'uname --maemo'
Nov 07 10:41:18 <inz> why do you want to?
Nov 07 10:41:36 <disq> cat /etc/osso_software_version
Nov 07 10:41:50 <inz> disq, doesn't always work
Nov 07 10:41:52 <disq> earlier os2006 firmwares don't have it tho
Nov 07 10:42:03 <inz> disq, my "mistral" says: "custom_27"
Nov 07 10:42:13 <inz> disq, and my bora target doesn't have it at all
Nov 07 10:42:18 <disq> that's your mistral's problem :P
Nov 07 10:52:55 <keesj> hmm in scratchbox. perhaps listing the installed packages. I guess that the best thing is to give the targets good names in order for "sb-conf cu" to give a meaningfull result
Nov 07 10:55:09 <keesj> to what packages does /etc/osso_software_version belong :P
Nov 07 10:58:33 <czr> dpkg -S /etc/osso_software_version ?
Nov 07 10:58:36 <czr> yields nothing?
Nov 07 11:09:47 <L0cutus> lol:  http://n800.gotdns.org:8080/
Nov 07 11:28:20 <lardman> morning
Nov 07 11:36:53 <czr> hey lardman
Nov 07 11:51:24 <lardman> hi czr
Nov 07 11:57:47 * zerojay puts L0cutus's site on Digg. :)
Nov 07 11:57:58 * zerojay watches battery take a nosedive.
Nov 07 11:58:44 <Jaffa> zerojay: Put it on Slashdot and we could watch it physically melt.
Nov 07 12:00:21 <zerojay> This 3rd party repository for video center feeds was such a good idea.
Nov 07 12:00:49 <zerojay> Everything's a one click install.
Nov 07 12:07:16 <L0cutus> zerojay: lol
Nov 07 12:12:38 <alterego> Good afternoon guys and girls.
Nov 07 12:12:49 <zerojay> yo.
Nov 07 12:13:11 <zerojay> Time for me to head to work.
Nov 07 12:13:13 <zerojay> Later.
Nov 07 12:13:17 <alterego> See you
Nov 07 12:14:33 <L0cutus> ciao alterego
Nov 07 12:14:51 <alterego> Hello L0cutus
Nov 07 12:15:37 <alterego> I'll be releasing my first application to day :)
Nov 07 12:16:13 <czr> hey alterego. time to throw it out of the window finally?
Nov 07 12:16:26 <alterego> My task list app yeah.
Nov 07 12:16:38 <czr> is it easy to install?
Nov 07 12:16:51 <alterego> Provided you have ruby to install.
Nov 07 12:16:55 <alterego> It's just one package.
Nov 07 12:17:03 <alterego> ruby installed ..
Nov 07 12:17:05 <czr> I have stock N800 with IT2007.
Nov 07 12:17:20 <alterego> Then you'll need libruby, ruby and rx-task
Nov 07 12:17:28 <czr> and where can I easily get those from?
Nov 07 12:17:43 <alterego> http://maemo.rubyx.co.uk/ruby-maemo/CURRENT/maemo3
Nov 07 12:17:47 <alterego> http://maemo.rubyx.co.uk/ruby-maemo/CURRENT/maemo3/armel
Nov 07 12:17:48 <alterego> :)
Nov 07 12:18:08 <alterego> Though I've not packaged rx-task yet.
Nov 07 12:18:16 <alterego> Just doing some polishing of the UI
Nov 07 12:18:31 <czr> hmm. if the whole thing will install from one .install file, I'll take it for a spin :-)
Nov 07 12:18:35 <czr> too lazy otherwise :-)
Nov 07 12:18:49 <alterego> I'll look into it.
Nov 07 12:19:11 <czr> if you're announcing it, you might want to add the above points into the mail as well, if you want people to test it.
Nov 07 12:19:21 <czr> not everybody loves ruby to death ;-)
Nov 07 12:19:36 <alterego> :)
Nov 07 12:22:48 <alterego> I'm sure that will all change soon enough :P
Nov 07 12:23:17 <czr> well, if it would be as easy as clicking on the install file on the device to get everything necessary, it could change.
Nov 07 12:23:50 <alterego> Well, I'd love it to be that simple.
Nov 07 12:24:00 <czr> I know :-)
Nov 07 12:24:55 <L0cutus> [13:16] <alterego> Provided you have ruby to install.
Nov 07 12:25:02 <L0cutus> yes i've it already instaleld :)
Nov 07 12:25:09 <L0cutus> installed*
Nov 07 12:25:20 <alterego> Nice one L0cutus you can be my first tester then :P
Nov 07 12:25:24 <L0cutus> lol
Nov 07 12:25:59 <alterego> It wont be released for a few hours yet though.
Nov 07 12:39:05 * czr is having fun implementing recursive dynamic state machines
Nov 07 12:39:19 <alterego> That sounds like fun.
Nov 07 12:39:23 <alterego> What for?
Nov 07 12:39:33 <czr> heh. don't ask. over-designing stuff again ;-)
Nov 07 12:39:34 * alterego is all about recursion.
Nov 07 12:39:55 <alterego> Yeah, don't talk to be about over designing stuff.
Nov 07 12:39:59 <czr> at least I'm not implementing recursive generators/iterators this time
Nov 07 12:40:08 <alterego> I've abstracted this app so much even the app title is in gconf ..
Nov 07 12:40:08 <czr> that was really fun
Nov 07 12:40:14 <czr> heh
Nov 07 12:40:24 <czr> can you modify the apptitle in-flight?
Nov 07 12:40:29 <czr> using gconftool-2 --set ?
Nov 07 12:40:34 <alterego> No
Nov 07 12:40:49 <czr> arr, you haven't over-designed it nearly enough then!
Nov 07 12:40:56 <alterego> Other configuration options can be.
Nov 07 12:41:01 <alterego> But not the app title.
Nov 07 12:42:53 <timeless> sp3000: ping
Nov 07 12:42:59 <sp3000> ?
Nov 07 12:43:11 <timeless> timeless@nexenta:~$ cat extras.sources.list
Nov 07 12:43:11 <timeless> deb http://repository.maemo.org/ chinook free non-free
Nov 07 12:43:11 <timeless> deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/ chinook free non-free
Nov 07 12:43:23 <timeless> timeless@nexenta:~$ apt-get -c /home/timeless/apt-sb-e.conf source libmissioncontrol0
Nov 07 12:43:37 <timeless> Get:1 http://repository.maemo.org chinook/free telepathy-mission-control 4.38-1 (dsc) [572B]
Nov 07 12:43:38 <timeless> ....
Nov 07 12:43:41 <timeless> rm ...
Nov 07 12:43:47 <timeless> timeless@nexenta:~$ apt-get -c /home/timeless/apt-sb-e.conf source --only-source libmissioncontrol0
Nov 07 12:43:54 <timeless> E: Unable to find a source package for libmissioncontrol0
Nov 07 12:45:03 <timeless> why is that failing? :(
Nov 07 12:45:55 <czr> alterego, a simple recursive if/then/elif/elifnot/ifnot/endif parser/processor really :-)
Nov 07 12:46:05 <czr> scratch the 'then'.
Nov 07 12:46:06 <alterego> Heh
Nov 07 12:46:06 <timeless> alternatively, how do i get a list of source packages?
Nov 07 12:47:28 <sp3000> timeless: libmissioncontrol0_4.33-1_i386.deb/control.tar.gz/control: Source: telepathy-mission-control
Nov 07 12:47:51 <sp3000> I don't quite recall if it's supposed to do that for you or not
Nov 07 12:47:54 <timeless> yeah, but how do you find that using commands?
Nov 07 12:48:46 <timeless> showsrc?
Nov 07 12:49:08 <timeless> timeless@nexenta:~$ apt-cache -c /home/timeless/apt-sb-e.conf showsrc libmissioncontrol0|wc -l
Nov 07 12:49:08 <timeless> 0
Nov 07 12:49:23 <sp3000> there's a showsrc command?
Nov 07 12:49:56 <timeless> doesn't seem to do anything
Nov 07 12:50:12 * sp3000 gets an error
Nov 07 12:50:22 <timeless> man lists i...
Nov 07 12:50:31 <timeless> apt-cache show seems to include a source: line
Nov 07 12:50:39 <timeless> i suppose i can go send everything through tha
Nov 07 12:50:44 <timeless> this is going to be so much fun
Nov 07 12:51:04 <sp3000> yeah, that would be it pretty much
Nov 07 12:51:13 <czr> btw, any idea on why pkg-config --list-all doesn't list all the packages in 4.0beta?
Nov 07 12:51:32 <czr> (the packages/pc-files work when used with --cflags and --libs, but just not listed in the list)
Nov 07 12:52:00 <timeless> timeless@nexenta:~$ apt-cache -c /home/timeless/apt-sb-e.conf show telepathy-feed
Nov 07 12:52:05 <timeless> i don't see a source: line here
Nov 07 12:52:09 <timeless> what's that mean?
Nov 07 12:52:20 <sp3000> that the src pkg name is the same
Nov 07 12:52:30 <timeless> oh man
Nov 07 12:52:46 <timeless> this is going to be so much fun
Nov 07 12:55:46 <rothiel> re
Nov 07 13:03:27 <omeam> is anyone of you familiar with the soundsystem on the n800?
Nov 07 13:03:39 <omeam> it isn't 'reak' alsa - afaik
Nov 07 13:03:45 <omeam> s/reak/real/g
Nov 07 13:03:45 <infobot> omeam meant: it isn't 'real' alsa - afaik
Nov 07 13:06:40 <timeless> ok, i'll deal w/ trying to figure out how to handle show later
Nov 07 13:06:50 <timeless> for now, i'll have a chinook something in an hour
Nov 07 13:11:36 <timeless> heh
Nov 07 13:11:36 <timeless> Login name: timeless
Nov 07 13:11:36 <timeless> Directory: /export/home/timeless        Shell: /bin/zsh
Nov 07 13:11:36 <timeless> On since Jul 13 18:34:17 on pts/35 from swift-centos
Nov 07 13:11:36 <timeless> 82 days Idle Time
Nov 07 13:11:50 <alterego> Heh
Nov 07 13:11:56 <timeless> Login name: timeless
Nov 07 13:11:56 <timeless> Directory: /export/home/timeless        Shell: /bin/zsh
Nov 07 13:11:56 <timeless> On since Jul 12 18:17:29 on pts/39 from swift-centos
Nov 07 13:11:56 <timeless> 117 days Idle Time
Nov 07 13:12:04 * timeless wonders where in the world these terminals are :)
Nov 07 13:12:22 <erstazi> timeless: dpkg --get-selections
Nov 07 13:12:32 <erstazi> that will be a huge list
Nov 07 13:12:34 <timeless> get-selections?
Nov 07 13:12:45 <omeam> do you have a clue about the soundsystem on the n800?
Nov 07 13:12:49 <erstazi> timeless: thats the debian way, I am not sure about the OS200X way
Nov 07 13:13:00 <omeam> how can i control the volume when i stripped the gconf away
Nov 07 13:13:16 <timeless> i'm in nexenta, not maemo
Nov 07 13:13:17 <erstazi> timeless: dpkg --get-selections | grep foo
Nov 07 13:13:20 <omeam> i stripped nearly everything off....
Nov 07 13:13:28 <erstazi> timeless: is nexenta debian based?
Nov 07 13:13:36 <timeless> yes
Nov 07 13:13:49 <erstazi> then dpkg --get-selections | grep foo should work technically
Nov 07 13:14:03 <timeless> what would it do?
Nov 07 13:14:09 <erstazi> list the installed packages
Nov 07 13:14:18 <timeless> who said anything about installed pacakges?
Nov 07 13:14:46 <erstazi> um... based off what you were looking for
Nov 07 13:14:47 <erstazi> nm
Nov 07 13:14:47 <timeless> nexenta is performing operations on a maemo (chinook in this case) repository and trying to retrieve sources
Nov 07 13:14:56 <timeless> there's no installing :)
Nov 07 13:15:14 <timeless> installing maemo (linux/arm) onto nexenta (solaris/x86_64) would be a wee bit of a disaster :)
Nov 07 13:15:37 <erstazi> timeless: then what exactly are you doing? I see you are using apt-cache
Nov 07 13:15:44 <erstazi> are you looking for dependencies?
Nov 07 13:16:02 <timeless> building http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/sardine-20071025/source/
Nov 07 13:16:05 <timeless> for chinook
Nov 07 13:16:09 <erstazi> aye
Nov 07 13:16:19 <timeless> i try to grab all sources
Nov 07 13:16:26 <timeless> so i don't really care about dependencies
Nov 07 13:16:30 <erstazi> ok
Nov 07 13:16:37 <timeless> although i don't want more than one version per package
Nov 07 13:17:16 <erstazi> right, automake has 3 different versions present
Nov 07 13:17:22 <timeless> if i sanitize the script, i can stick a copy up
Nov 07 13:17:30 <timeless> yeah, they're technically 3 different packages
Nov 07 13:17:42 <timeless> the versions being 1.7.8/1.8.5/p6
Nov 07 13:17:47 <erstazi> right
Nov 07 13:18:01 <timeless> that's fine/expected
Nov 07 13:18:12 <timeless> i just don't want automake1.8 1.8.0,1.8.1,1.8.2,1.8.3,...
Nov 07 13:18:21 <erstazi> right
Nov 07 13:18:24 <timeless> the goal is to provide a usable cross reference
Nov 07 13:19:44 <erstazi> nexenta seems very active
Nov 07 13:21:08 * timeless sdhrugs
Nov 07 13:30:25 <timeless> ok, i got my chinook sources
Nov 07 13:30:35 <timeless> looks like ~277 directories (top level)
Nov 07 13:45:53 <rothiel> Can I code a fullscreen application
Nov 07 13:46:04 <rothiel> or it has to be in a window ?
Nov 07 13:46:28 <rothiel> (please)
Nov 07 13:46:31 <alterego> Making the app fullscreen in Gtk is easy.
Nov 07 13:46:42 <alterego> Just call the 'fullscreen' method on the window you're using.
Nov 07 13:47:34 <alterego> Probably, gtk_window_fullscreen(window, true); in C
Nov 07 13:47:50 <alterego> Or Hildon::Window#fullscreen in Ruby
Nov 07 13:48:50 <Tak> that's exactly what it is @ C
Nov 07 13:51:09 <omeam> when i "dpkg -r --force-all osso-esd" it still plays sound and the volume-app still works as espected... who mixes the sound for the n800 when not esd?
Nov 07 13:52:07 <timeless> sp3000: ok, http://swift/chinook-20071107/source/
Nov 07 13:52:07 <Tak> the underlying audio driver
Nov 07 13:52:41 <timeless> i'll push that to garage as soon as the index builds
Nov 07 13:52:54 <db48x> I think esd just controls sound events
Nov 07 13:53:20 <omeam> Tak: who's that?
Nov 07 13:53:44 <omeam> db48x: but i can still change the volume and it takes affect (for the media player at least)
Nov 07 13:54:04 <db48x> omeam: right, but that's a function of the audio driver, not esd
Nov 07 13:54:24 <omeam> so where is that ominous driver?
Nov 07 13:55:11 <db48x> compiled into the kernel, I bet
Nov 07 13:55:13 <rothiel> thx alterego
Nov 07 13:55:21 <db48x> it's probably an ALSA driver
Nov 07 13:55:51 <omeam> so where is the volume controlled?? i can only find one the entry in the gconf system
Nov 07 13:56:10 <omeam> but it saves the volume somewhere else too
Nov 07 13:56:26 <db48x> what exactly are you trying to do?
Nov 07 13:56:59 <omeam> building a closed system... i need as much free space as possible on the device
Nov 07 13:57:05 <omeam> so the whole osso-stuff gets ripped away...
Nov 07 13:57:11 <omeam> i just need X and SDL
Nov 07 13:57:12 <omeam> and sound
Nov 07 13:57:32 <omeam> right now i have a working 40mb version
Nov 07 13:57:40 <omeam> but i cannot control the volume anymore
Nov 07 13:58:05 <omeam> there are no dbus signals involved with volumecontrol as far as i see
Nov 07 14:00:27 <db48x> I thought you said you could still control the volume?
Nov 07 14:00:41 <omeam> when ripping away esd
Nov 07 14:01:20 <omeam> when i rip: http://pastebin.ca/764688 i cannot control the volume anymore
Nov 07 14:01:23 <db48x> oh, but your minimal system removed too much
Nov 07 14:01:51 <omeam> db48x: thats the point
Nov 07 14:01:56 <timeless> sp3000: fwiw, the reason apt- was crashing is that i had foopy.sources.list as a symlink to a nonexistent file :)
Nov 07 14:02:01 <omeam> just cee my paste
Nov 07 14:02:02 <sp3000> heh
Nov 07 14:02:03 <db48x> I don't know what package contains the application that has the actual volume control for the user to manipulate, no
Nov 07 14:02:04 <timeless> i guess it didn' approve
Nov 07 14:02:31 <omeam> db48x: i do not need the app for the gui - i need a possibility to control the volume out of a program/script
Nov 07 14:02:35 <db48x> you could do a binary search over that list to find the package, or you could write your own
Nov 07 14:02:39 <timeless> someday we should trace through apt- and file a bug :|
Nov 07 14:02:54 <omeam> timeless: ?
Nov 07 14:02:58 <db48x> I'm sure all it did was use the ALSA api to change the volume level
Nov 07 14:03:13 <timeless> omeam: sp3000+me=we
Nov 07 14:03:18 <omeam> so amixer should do the work?
Nov 07 14:03:24 <omeam> timeless: what bug in apt?
Nov 07 14:03:32 <omeam> s/what/which/g
Nov 07 14:03:32 <infobot> omeam meant: timeless: which bug in apt?
Nov 07 14:03:41 <timeless> oh, it kinda crashes if there's a sources.list pointing to a nonexistent file
Nov 07 14:03:47 <timeless> at least, it seems to :)
Nov 07 14:03:54 <timeless> giving it a file makes it stop crashing :)
Nov 07 14:04:08 <omeam> timeless: is the missing file the bug or apt?
Nov 07 14:04:23 <omeam> in a clean repo no files are missing
Nov 07 14:04:26 <omeam> ;)
Nov 07 14:05:14 <omeam> now i have to re-flash my n800 - the 115 time today
Nov 07 14:06:08 <suihkulokki> omeam: err, howabout booting from the mmc instead?
Nov 07 14:06:22 <omeam> gives me what?
Nov 07 14:06:36 <suihkulokki> not needing to flash every time you mess up?
Nov 07 14:06:38 <omeam> s/^/suihkulokki/g
Nov 07 14:07:01 <omeam> suihkulokki: i would not have to reflash but..... ??
Nov 07 14:07:43 <omeam> when i have messed up i have to restore - whatever - the n800 or the mmc - wheres the diff??
Nov 07 14:07:56 * omeam is stupid - and he knows it!
Nov 07 14:22:56 <Tak> ugh
Nov 07 14:23:02 <Tak> weekly reboot loop
Nov 07 14:23:11 <keesj> :p
Nov 07 14:23:25 <Tak> time for weekly reflash
Nov 07 14:25:21 <keesj> deja v?
Nov 07 14:25:23 <keesj> vu
Nov 07 14:26:17 <omeam> Tak: time for hourly reflash ;)
Nov 07 14:26:28 <Tak> omeam: yeah, but I'm not modifying the OS on mine
Nov 07 14:26:40 <omeam> Tak: ;)
Nov 07 14:27:03 <Tak> is anybody else having this kind of problem with 2007HE ?
Nov 07 14:27:34 <omeam> ?? this kind ??
Nov 07 14:27:52 <Tak> device randomly going into a reboot loop, from which the only salvation is reflashing
Nov 07 14:28:06 <omeam> nvr had that one...
Nov 07 14:28:37 <omeam> ...often had it that it kept on rebooting when the progressbar is @~60 -90 percent
Nov 07 14:29:03 <omeam> also had it that the progressbar stopped @ ~75% but ssh server was running
Nov 07 14:29:15 <omeam> but i guess it was my fault most of the time ;)
Nov 07 14:30:49 <Tak> mine doesn't even display the progress bar
Nov 07 14:31:48 <omeam> that's strange
Nov 07 14:34:50 <czr> alterego, this is turning out to be more fun that I thought.
Nov 07 14:34:58 <czr> alterego, try to do one when you have the chance :-)
Nov 07 14:35:01 <alterego> czr, good job :)
Nov 07 14:35:12 <czr> smt like cpp directives (more or less), but with nesting
Nov 07 14:35:19 <czr> (cpp has nesting obviously too)
Nov 07 14:35:33 * alterego shudders
Nov 07 14:35:43 * czr hugs python
Nov 07 14:36:08 * alterego sleeps with Ruby :P
Nov 07 14:36:20 <czr> you'll have crazy babies that way
Nov 07 14:36:23 <czr> watch yourself :-)
Nov 07 14:36:31 <alterego> Probably happen anyway ^_^
Nov 07 14:36:41 <alterego> All I need to do is find a girl called Ruby ..
Nov 07 14:36:46 <czr> hmm.
Nov 07 14:37:02 * czr wonders where all women with names like "Python" hang around.
Nov 07 14:37:11 <czr> probably some biker-club-thingy.
Nov 07 14:37:11 <alterego> Heh
Nov 07 14:37:23 <alterego> Biker, Lesbian club
Nov 07 14:37:30 <omeam> czr: but ruby ensures that the babies will be objects!
Nov 07 14:37:37 <omeam> at leads
Nov 07 14:37:39 <omeam> at least
Nov 07 14:37:51 <alterego> Yes, purely OO family.
Nov 07 14:38:00 <czr> python babies are free to evolve into whatever they need
Nov 07 14:38:13 <alterego> Like Italians
Nov 07 14:38:18 <czr> hope not :-)
Nov 07 14:38:18 <alterego> (joke about spaghetti code)
Nov 07 14:38:22 <alterego> :)
Nov 07 14:38:23 <omeam> lol
Nov 07 14:38:45 <czr> hmm. out of the 250 or so lines, 190 are OO implementation stuff
Nov 07 14:38:54 <omeam> and what are different platforms then?? how do you see the many registers on a arm-baby?
Nov 07 14:39:01 <czr> rest is one function to do the loading and the other is main
Nov 07 14:39:19 <alterego> Ruby has fantastic introspection :)
Nov 07 14:39:24 <omeam> czr: and one is /*code should not reach this point - we are fucked!*/
Nov 07 14:39:24 <_Monkey> Hmm.  No matches for that, omeam.
Nov 07 14:39:42 <czr> omeam, python doesn't support C++ comments ;-)
Nov 07 14:39:55 <czr> and no. just print "UNIMPLEMENTED" things :-)
Nov 07 14:39:56 * alterego works on the new Table based list view.
Nov 07 14:40:04 <omeam> czr: that may be the reason that my python progs don't compile ;)
Nov 07 14:40:12 <alterego> Hmm .. Or maybe an actual list would be better.
Nov 07 14:40:13 <czr> that must be it :-)
Nov 07 14:40:47 <alterego> Are you trying to "compile" them with gcc? :)
Nov 07 14:40:51 <czr> also, I never use the f-word in my code. TODO notes yes. CHANGELOG yes. commit logs yes. but not source code :-)
Nov 07 14:41:02 <alterego> Hahah
Nov 07 14:44:24 <omeam> have you ever tried to cd into your kernel-source dir
Nov 07 14:44:43 <omeam> and then find .|xargs egrep "f..k"
Nov 07 14:45:00 <czr> omeam, google for lxr. much nicer interface ;-)
Nov 07 14:45:22 <omeam> what is lxr?
Nov 07 14:45:38 <czr> http://lxr.linux.no/source/
Nov 07 14:47:05 <omeam> i like linux/arch/i386/mm/extable.c line 17
Nov 07 14:47:19 <omeam> extern u32 pnp_bios_is_utter_crap;
Nov 07 14:48:47 <alterego> Heh
Nov 07 15:04:33 <czr> well. it is. isn't it :-)
Nov 07 15:20:35 <omeam> is there something like a documentation for the dspctl tool?
Nov 07 15:27:26 <lardman> there is source code for it
Nov 07 15:27:53 <lardman> grab it from the dspgateway page, in the arm tarball
Nov 07 15:28:03 <lardman> omeam: why are you interested?
Nov 07 15:28:42 <omeam> maybe i can control the volume via "dspctl setvar xxx"
Nov 07 15:29:00 <lardman> hmm, perhaps, if you could work out what variable to control
Nov 07 15:29:18 <lardman> but iirc there's a fn call which needs to be made too
Nov 07 15:30:10 <omeam> lardman: the alsa on the device is just emulated...
Nov 07 15:30:28 <omeam> so where does the 'real' mixer sit?
Nov 07 15:30:51 <lardman> I'm not sure about that
Nov 07 15:31:12 <lardman> is it possible to play other sounds while the dsp is using the audio codec?
Nov 07 15:31:22 <omeam> lardman: try "cat /proc/asound/oss/sndstat | grep Sound"
Nov 07 15:31:41 <lardman> no n800 infront of me atm I'm afraid
Nov 07 15:32:36 <omeam> pastebin.ca/764768
Nov 07 15:33:09 <omeam> emulation code sounds like an emulation to me ;)
Nov 07 15:34:16 <lardman> yeah, but is that in the kernel?
Nov 07 15:34:18 * alterego curses TreeView
Nov 07 15:34:34 <omeam> i have no idea ;)
Nov 07 15:34:54 <lardman> Is it possible to get things like screen taps out while gstreamer is using the dsp? that would determine whether the mixing happens before the dsp or not
Nov 07 15:36:01 <omeam> lardman: speak with me like if i would have no clue what you are talking about
Nov 07 15:36:07 <omeam> screen tap == screenshot??
Nov 07 15:36:18 * omeam 's english is bulls**t
Nov 07 15:36:29 <lardman> no no, screen tap, the noise it makes when you tap on the screen
Nov 07 15:37:00 <omeam> you mean if i head clicks while listening to a mp3?
Nov 07 15:37:06 <lardman> yes
Nov 07 15:37:35 <omeam> yes, i hear them
Nov 07 15:37:45 <lardman> interesting
Nov 07 15:37:51 <omeam> but only when i set a low volume inside the media-player
Nov 07 15:37:57 <omeam> otherwise the music is too loud
Nov 07 15:37:59 <omeam> ;)
Nov 07 15:38:42 <lardman> I wouldn't expect that - I assumed the DSP opened the sound hardware for exclusive access
Nov 07 15:39:00 <lardman> There is also an ARM-side interface in the kernel iirc, you don't have to go through the DSP
Nov 07 15:39:23 <lardman> therefore I assume the hardware itself does the mixing, though I don't know for sure. See what the spec sheet says
Nov 07 15:41:21 <zoran> how could I contact operator of repository.maemo.org server? it is probably at ossostage.cidercone.com.
Nov 07 15:42:37 <robtaylor> lardman: the dsp is doing the mixing, iirc
Nov 07 15:43:10 <lardman> robtaylor: really, so the standard stuff also goes through the dspsink?
Nov 07 15:43:22 <omeam> lardman: robtaylor: who controls the volume?? afaik the mixer
Nov 07 15:43:30 <robtaylor> lardman: though the alsa emulation, again iirc
Nov 07 15:43:34 <omeam> but when i kill esd i can still control the colume
Nov 07 15:43:40 <omeam> volume
Nov 07 15:43:58 <robtaylor> my memory on this is pretty fuzzy and things changed between OS's
Nov 07 15:44:17 <omeam> just apt-get sourced the kernel source
Nov 07 15:44:25 <omeam> maybe i can find something there :(
Nov 07 15:44:35 <robtaylor> omeam: probably the best reference point :)
Nov 07 15:44:54 <Robot101> what's the query?
Nov 07 15:45:30 <omeam> Robot101: how can i control the volume - when i removed a lot of stuff
Nov 07 15:46:02 * lardman doesn't know anything about alsa
Nov 07 15:46:16 <lardman> but would be interested to hear if anyone does know how it works
Nov 07 15:46:50 <omeam> basically all *osso* packets but *dsp*
Nov 07 15:47:14 <lardman> ?
Nov 07 15:47:15 <zoran> somebody from "maemo.org" server on the channel?
Nov 07 15:47:23 <lardman> all the data are sent to the DSP you mean?
Nov 07 15:47:36 <lardman> zoran: what's up with the repo?
Nov 07 15:47:53 <zoran> I have a prob with domain authorization
Nov 07 15:48:07 <lardman> zoran: mailing list might be the best bet
Nov 07 15:48:13 <zoran> k, donna try
Nov 07 15:48:16 <zoran> *gonna
Nov 07 15:51:11 <omeam> kernelsourcedirectory/sound is weird!
Nov 07 15:55:53 <lardman> got to pop out, let me know what you find re alsa
Nov 07 15:57:44 <L0cutus> seems xchat doesn't support sound on maemo ?
Nov 07 16:02:39 <omeam> lardman: pastebin.ca/764799
Nov 07 16:04:01 <lopz> hola
Nov 07 16:05:13 <L0cutus> ciao lopz
Nov 07 16:12:46 <b0unc3> there is any way to make the app manager automatically install the dependencies for a packet ?
Nov 07 16:13:08 <fysa> can you disable quit/join messages with xcghat?
Nov 07 16:13:18 <fysa> xchat
Nov 07 16:13:20 <omeam> b0unc3: it should per default
Nov 07 16:13:30 <omeam> b0unc3: apt-get does, dpkg does not
Nov 07 16:13:43 <omeam> fysa: use iirc
Nov 07 16:13:50 <fysa> you may need to add a repository
Nov 07 16:14:02 <b0unc3> omeam: but the app manager seems to not do it
Nov 07 16:14:07 <b0unc3> fysa: the repo is present
Nov 07 16:14:19 <omeam> i mean ircii
Nov 07 16:14:19 <zoran> maybe some missing libs
Nov 07 16:14:46 <omeam> b0unc3: what repos are present (pastebin.ca your sources.list)
Nov 07 16:14:51 <omeam> and what do you want to install
Nov 07 16:14:55 <fysa> for the req pkg.  ie, libgtk and such are in a generic repo not added by most .install scripts
Nov 07 16:16:35 <fysa> iirc is a horrible thing to google for ;)
Nov 07 16:18:20 <b0unc3> omeam: I'm creating an app that have some dependencies... the app manager found these dependencies but not install them...
Nov 07 16:18:49 <b0unc3> the necessary pkg are in the standar maemo extras repo... that is in my sources.list
Nov 07 16:19:08 <omeam> b0unc3: ok...
Nov 07 16:19:14 <omeam> fysa: i meant ircii
Nov 07 16:19:19 <zoran> why don't you install them manualy?
Nov 07 16:19:28 <omeam> zoran: too easy ;)
Nov 07 16:19:33 <omeam> b0unc3: scnr
Nov 07 16:20:08 <b0unc3> zoran: cause them are not listen in the installable application list...
Nov 07 16:20:38 <zoran> ah, "not installable"?
Nov 07 16:21:36 <b0unc3> no... sorry for my english... I mean that these pkg are not showed in the app manager... but I can install them with apt
Nov 07 16:22:14 <zoran> could you refresh the lists?
Nov 07 16:22:18 <fysa> maybe version reqs don't match then.  apt is very good at handling dependants
Nov 07 16:22:53 <b0unc3> zoran: one of the pkg is rx-34-kernel-nfs-modules... and it is not listed...
Nov 07 16:23:34 <zoran> cool, get it on the device and install with apt-get install
Nov 07 16:24:00 <fysa> oh yes nfs needs manual install
Nov 07 16:24:14 <b0unc3> yep... manual installation work fine... but I want to know if the app manager can do it automatically
Nov 07 16:24:40 <fysa> no. don't worry. just use dpkg --install
Nov 07 16:24:54 <fysa> get root with becomeroot packag
Nov 07 16:25:09 <fysa> then sudo gainroot and you're good
Nov 07 16:26:10 <b0unc3> fysa: I think that normal user don't want do it
Nov 07 16:27:19 <zoran> b0unc3, normal user is win user
Nov 07 16:28:12 <fysa> agreed.
Nov 07 16:28:27 <fysa> maybe os2008 fixes nfs
Nov 07 16:28:37 <b0unc3> zoran: I know... but I think I must consider them...
Nov 07 16:28:42 <zoran> he-he
Nov 07 16:29:00 <fysa> use cifs maybe.  i think that is conpiled in
Nov 07 16:29:14 <fysa> silly thumbboard
Nov 07 16:29:28 <b0unc3> fysa: cifs is for smb I think... and I'm using it...
Nov 07 16:29:41 <fysa> we need a network fs gui..
Nov 07 16:29:56 <b0unc3> fysa: it's what I'm working on
Nov 07 16:30:05 <b0unc3> https://garage.maemo.org/projects/wizard-mounter/
Nov 07 16:30:05 <zoran> some1 played with gammu app?
Nov 07 16:30:27 <fysa> then i suggest you make your own repo
Nov 07 16:30:54 <fysa> maybe we can use fuse-nfs
Nov 07 16:31:04 <alterego> sshfs ftw!
Nov 07 16:31:12 <b0unc3> fysa: maybe it not fix my problem... I think the problem is the app manager
Nov 07 16:31:53 <zoran> alterego, what is your exp with fuse? interested
Nov 07 16:32:06 <fysafysa> OK, a real keyboard is much nicer ;)
Nov 07 16:32:17 <alterego> I use fuse to mount my N800 whilst developing ruby apps.
Nov 07 16:32:43 <fysafysa> http://maemo.org/community/wiki/settingupnfs/
Nov 07 16:32:48 <alterego> I use emacs on my laptop to edit the files mounted by fuse. Then use a separate ssh connection to run the apps whilst testing them.
Nov 07 16:33:04 <zoran> ssh in base?
Nov 07 16:33:15 <zoran> ah, see
Nov 07 16:33:15 <b0unc3> fysafysa: I read it...
Nov 07 16:33:32 <fysafysa> so here is my thinking..
Nov 07 16:33:45 <fysafysa> you basically need to deconstruct those packages and make your own
Nov 07 16:33:53 <fysafysa> then there will be no dependency issues
Nov 07 16:34:44 <fysafysa> "However, nfs-common is currently broken and it needs to be installed by hand instead of apt-get or the application manager."
Nov 07 16:35:10 <b0unc3> fysafysa: yes... but I think it's the worst way... beacause if these pkg are updated I need to realease a new ver of my app...
Nov 07 16:35:29 <b0unc3> but maybe it's the only way... or the simplier way :-)
Nov 07 16:35:36 <zoran> it should work as you want if files are in the same directory
Nov 07 16:35:40 <fysafysa> I think you will be fine..
Nov 07 16:35:51 <fysafysa> there are no major architectural changes in updates usually
Nov 07 16:35:58 <fysafysa> the same binaries will probably work, and you can install to /usr/local/
Nov 07 16:36:17 <fysafysa> the only way your packages would break is if Maemo fixed NFS..
Nov 07 16:36:22 <fysafysa> which solves the problem anyway :)
Nov 07 16:36:46 <b0unc3> fysafysa: exact...
Nov 07 16:37:02 <fysafysa> or build .sh script
Nov 07 16:37:12 <fysafysa> into your GUI..
Nov 07 16:37:17 <fysafysa> with "Install NFS" button..
Nov 07 16:37:21 <b0unc3> uhm...
Nov 07 16:37:34 <fysafysa> you can script 'sudo gainroot'
Nov 07 16:37:37 <fysafysa> there is no password prompt
Nov 07 16:37:47 <fysafysa> so make your package depend on becomeroot
Nov 07 16:38:00 <fysafysa> then automate wget/dpkg -x nfs-common/et al
Nov 07 16:38:20 <b0unc3> yeah... sounds good :-D
Nov 07 16:38:27 <fysafysa> lsmod | grep nfs first to check for installation
Nov 07 16:38:51 <fysafysa> probably the path of least resistance..
Nov 07 16:38:59 <fysafysa> win is os2008 released?
Nov 07 16:39:01 <fysafysa> couple of weeks?
Nov 07 16:39:02 <fysafysa> ..
Nov 07 16:39:04 <fysafysa> when
Nov 07 16:39:47 <lardman> omeam: thanks, will take a look
Nov 07 16:42:13 <omeam> cyaall
Nov 07 16:42:15 <omeam> g2g
Nov 07 17:03:36 <zoran> hm, could 770 listen to nokia sdp service? something comparabile to l2cap shoud do the job.
Nov 07 17:07:34 <timeless> http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&ct=us/0-1-0&fp=4731db6d23f7ceaf&ei=xfAxR53FNIz2qgP0q4jMCg&url=http%3A//thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/11/07/a-deadly-school-shooting-this-time-in-finland/%3Fhp&cid=1123272544&sig2=Uo9GbFqr2lymcljh0X42uQ
Nov 07 17:07:39 <timeless> eep
Nov 07 17:07:46 <timeless> http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/11/07/a-deadly-school-shooting-this-time-in-finland/?hp
Nov 07 17:09:07 <czr> yes. another 4.0beta tester gone crazy
Nov 07 17:09:22 <alterego> Something is very broken in my task app :/
Nov 07 17:09:24 * timeless tries to resist responding
Nov 07 17:09:30 <alterego> It randomly segfaults.
Nov 07 17:09:36 <czr> timeless :-).
Nov 07 17:10:21 <timeless> ok, i'm sending a chinook xref to dh now
Nov 07 17:11:59 <L0cutus> alterego: oops:)
Nov 07 17:12:21 <alterego> Yes .. Oops ..
Nov 07 17:12:50 <Tak> alterego: does it have a treeview? ;-)
Nov 07 17:13:03 <alterego> It segfaults even without the tree view.
Nov 07 17:13:20 <alterego> The problem is either my model infrastructure. Or it's ruby REXML module :/
Nov 07 17:13:41 <alterego> I'm gonna make a few deep test suites to find out which.
Nov 07 17:27:15 <alterego> Interesting.
Nov 07 17:27:54 <penguinbait> thats debatable?
Nov 07 17:28:17 <alterego> You don't even know what I'm talking about :P
Nov 07 17:28:54 <alterego> Whilst looking for whatever is causing my program to segfault. I think I've found out why my hildon windows don't group.
Nov 07 17:30:26 <timeless> ok, so, operator error, i'll push chinook xref tomorrow i think
Nov 07 17:31:05 <penguinbait> thats why its debatable?
Nov 07 17:38:19 <zoran> hm, in fact, on 770 I shluld use obex client to put/get files to/from card in the phone?
Nov 07 18:56:37 <kenny-la-teub> #Lelombrik
Nov 07 19:08:36 <timeless> ok, fwiw chinook xref is uploading now
Nov 07 19:08:38 <timeless> http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook-20071107/source/
Nov 07 19:09:06 <timeless> the index needs to be rebased, and i never remember the command to do that :)
Nov 07 19:15:20 <timeless> sp3000, so, i finally figured out why i don' like this url
Nov 07 19:15:22 <timeless> http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook-20071107/find?string=glib
Nov 07 19:15:38 <timeless> now i just need to figure out how to fix it
Nov 07 19:45:05 <_|Nix|_> Hi! How do I take a screenshot on the 770?
Nov 07 19:45:28 <_|Nix|_> I tried installing load-applet but it didn't work. It installed fine, but it never showed up on the status bar.
Nov 07 19:45:58 <red-zack> try reboot ur device
Nov 07 19:46:09 <_|Nix|_> OK ...
Nov 07 19:46:30 <_|Nix|_> .o0o.o0o.o0o.
Nov 07 19:48:12 <_|Nix|_> Oooh! Worked! Sweet! Thanks!
Nov 07 19:49:58 <red-zack> _|Nix|_: your welcome!
Nov 07 19:50:05 <red-zack> ;)
Nov 07 19:50:45 <_|Nix|_> Great ... now it refuses to connect to any kind of WLAN ... it just blinks and blinks and blinks and ...
Nov 07 19:51:16 <p|> re
Nov 07 19:52:48 <massoud> ehlo there /win 14
Nov 07 19:54:06 <_|Nix|_> Yaaaay! Another reboot ... feels like Windoze ...
Nov 07 20:02:44 <KevinVerma> hey folks is there any eta for os2008 release ?
Nov 07 20:04:51 <alterego> ~1 week
Nov 07 20:05:11 <alterego> Maybe closer to 2 weeks
Nov 07 20:05:23 <KevinVerma> ok thats good to know, thanks
Nov 07 20:17:34 <timeless> sp3000: 50 lines to go!
Nov 07 20:17:53 <sp3000> heh
Nov 07 20:18:31 <timeless> B. Click the bottom right button in the toolbar (it looks like a magnifying
Nov 07 20:18:31 <timeless> glass, but it's really an overloaded kitchen sink button) > Components >
Nov 07 20:18:31 <timeless> Default plug-in, RealPlayer, Windows Media.
Nov 07 20:18:39 <timeless> * Plug-ins has been renamed to Components.
Nov 07 20:18:39 <timeless> (Editor's note: the reason is that in theory you're supposed to be able to see
Nov 07 20:18:39 <timeless> extensions in this list, in testing, this may not actually work...)
Nov 07 20:18:39 <timeless> This affects both the application menu and the find button on the toolbar.
Nov 07 20:18:39 <timeless> (Editor's note: you might be wondering what a Plug-ins or Components menu item
Nov 07 20:18:40 <timeless> is doing in a toolbar, that's a good question, it's the closest thing we have
Nov 07 20:18:42 <timeless> to a UI approved kitchen sink outside of the Settings dialog. Keep in mind that
Nov 07 20:18:44 <timeless> the N810 has moved the application menu button to a very inconvenient location,
Nov 07 20:18:46 <timeless> so if you use full screen mode and want to quickly stop Flash, all you have to
Nov 07 20:18:48 <timeless> do is click the Find button on the toolbar, Components, and then uncheck Flash)
Nov 07 20:19:03 <timeless> hrm, i guesss i already mentioned the kitchen sink once, oops
Nov 07 20:19:49 <timeless> oh right, i should try that...
Nov 07 20:20:33 <timeless> um, i can't load google.com
Nov 07 20:20:47 <timeless> Operation temporarily disabled due to low memory
Nov 07 20:20:58 <timeless> (microb was asked to load stress.html before lunch)
Nov 07 20:23:53 <timeless> Unable to install grasemonkey-webaddon
Nov 07 20:23:55 <timeless> [Close]
Nov 07 20:23:56 <timeless> :(~
Nov 07 20:26:11 <p|> anyone know if there is a script that can 'disable/stop/kill' a service in maemo ?
Nov 07 20:26:48 <timeless> services on the device are lifeguarded
Nov 07 20:26:49 <p|> instead to modify all rc.X/ scripts
Nov 07 20:27:01 <timeless> you need to disable the lifegaurd
Nov 07 20:27:07 <p|> hu ?
Nov 07 20:27:27 <timeless> well, most are
Nov 07 20:27:34 <timeless> kinda depends what you'r thinking of
Nov 07 20:27:36 <timeless> ssh wouldn't be
Nov 07 20:27:40 <p|> i have installed a webserver
Nov 07 20:27:43 <timeless> but media services iirc are
Nov 07 20:27:44 <timeless> oh
Nov 07 20:27:45 <p|> (nginx)
Nov 07 20:27:53 <massoud> I am looking for the official sources.list for Nokia-770-36 2.6.16.27-omap1
Nov 07 20:27:56 <p|> and now it restart at every boot :)
Nov 07 20:28:05 <timeless> ah.... you want a gui xinetd configurator or something
Nov 07 20:28:08 <massoud> as my GPG chek is giving me an error
Nov 07 20:28:09 <p|> so i need to stop it
Nov 07 20:28:24 <p|> timeless: not necessary a gui
Nov 07 20:28:32 <p|> also command line is ok
Nov 07 20:28:37 <massoud> and my apt-get update is then messed up
Nov 07 20:28:43 <p|> i've see there is 'update-rc.d'
Nov 07 20:28:59 <p|> but no help on how to use it
Nov 07 20:29:15 <timeless> um
Nov 07 20:29:25 <timeless> OS 2005 Edition version 3.2005.51-13
Nov 07 20:29:25 <timeless> OS 2005 Edition version 5.2006.13-7
Nov 07 20:29:25 <timeless> OS 2006 Edition version 1.2006.26-8
Nov 07 20:29:25 <timeless> OS 2006 Edition version 2.2006.39-14
Nov 07 20:29:25 <timeless> OS 2006 Edition version 3.2006.49-2
Nov 07 20:29:30 <timeless> which is 36?
Nov 07 20:30:13 * b0unc3 wizard-mounter-1.0 is out https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=444
Nov 07 20:31:46 * timeless chuckles
Nov 07 20:32:04 <timeless> http://hsivonen.iki.fi/
Nov 07 20:32:09 <timeless> Maemo Source Code
Nov 07 20:32:10 <timeless>     To save others the trouble of requesting the source, here are the contents of the package called .2.2006.39-14-srcs..
Nov 07 20:34:54 <p|> when OS2008 comes, will be possible to have OS2007 to boot from mmc and OS2008 to boot from internal flash ?
Nov 07 20:35:30 <alterego> p|, should be possible yes. Though I don't know who'll make the initfs.
Nov 07 20:37:37 <p|> ok
Nov 07 20:37:42 <p|> http://tuomas.kulve.fi/blog/2007/01/27/maemo-service-handler/
Nov 07 20:38:09 <massoud> I have SU-18_2007HACKER_4.2007.36-2_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin
Nov 07 20:38:14 <massoud> on my N770
Nov 07 20:38:41 <timeless> um
Nov 07 20:38:55 <timeless> that's hacker edition
Nov 07 20:40:19 <massoud> and I seem to have the wrong sources.list
Nov 07 20:42:14 <massoud> where can I a clean sources.list ?
Nov 07 20:43:42 <keesj>  get?
Nov 07 20:47:03 <massoud> get
Nov 07 20:47:25 * timeless didn't know there were any sources.list files for any maemo versions
Nov 07 20:47:35 * massoud likes to forget get
Nov 07 20:47:49 <timeless> apt-forget
Nov 07 20:48:01 <GeneralAntilles> There aren't any sources.list files for maemo.
Nov 07 20:48:08 <GeneralAntilles> Unless you find one floating around on an FTP somewhere.
Nov 07 20:48:31 <timeless> have you?
Nov 07 20:48:34 <keesj> apt-dislike
Nov 07 20:48:53 <GeneralAntilles> Just clear yours and use SSH to enter the repos on maemo.org again.
Nov 07 20:49:07 <GeneralAntilles> timeless, well, yeah, on my FTP. ;)
Nov 07 20:50:20 <timeless> strange
Nov 07 20:50:41 <timeless> compare:
Nov 07 20:50:42 <timeless> http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook-20071107/source/chinook.sources.list?raw=1
Nov 07 20:50:45 <timeless> http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook-20071107/source/chinook.sources.list
Nov 07 20:51:08 <timeless> when i tried the non raw version, i got connection refused
Nov 07 20:51:11 * timeless wonders why
Nov 07 20:51:21 <timeless> i guess that's a sources.list file :)
Nov 07 20:51:34 <GeneralAntilles> Non-raw works fine for me.
Nov 07 20:51:48 <timeless> yeah, i wonder if the server was rebooting?
Nov 07 20:51:55 * GeneralAntilles wants Chinook.
Nov 07 20:52:06 <timeless> well, you can read the sources :)
Nov 07 20:52:12 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe
Nov 07 20:52:30 <timeless> [sanjay]$ uptime
Nov 07 20:52:30 <timeless>  12:52:20 up 35 min,  5 users,  load average: 4.76, 1.89, 0.76
Nov 07 20:52:33 <timeless> poor box
Nov 07 20:52:38 <GeneralAntilles> Is Chinook MicroB totally gonna kick ass?
Nov 07 20:52:41 <timeless> timeless@swift:/export/home/svn/lxr-root/lxr-data% uptime
Nov 07 20:52:42 <timeless>  11:44pm  up 199 day(s),  5:05,  31 users,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
Nov 07 20:53:14 <timeless> it's currently kciking my ass
Nov 07 20:53:21 <timeless> i have 50 lines left to go
Nov 07 20:56:23 <massoud> works better with the chinook list :)
Nov 07 20:56:41 <massoud> timeless : thanks, gracias, merci
Nov 07 20:56:46 <GeneralAntilles> Also: you can ignore the GPG errors.
Nov 07 20:56:55 <massoud> ah yes ?
Nov 07 20:58:07 <timeless> um, i wouldn't try mixing chinook w/ 2007he
Nov 07 20:58:18 <timeless> unless i really wanted a brick
Nov 07 20:58:28 <GeneralAntilles> Then you could clobber somebody with it!
Nov 07 20:58:37 * GeneralAntilles goes off to put the Chinook repos on his 770.
Nov 07 20:58:53 <timeless> oh, actually, you're right, i do have people to clobber
Nov 07 20:59:01 <timeless> please send me your brick when you're through with it
Nov 07 20:59:05 <timeless> i'll put it to good use
Nov 07 20:59:43 <GeneralAntilles> Just be sure to wipe it for fingerprints afterwards.
Nov 07 21:00:02 <timeless> nah, i'll wear gloves and leave the original owner's prints :)
Nov 07 21:00:24 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe
Nov 07 21:00:31 <massoud> eheh
Nov 07 21:00:38 * timeless hopes people understand that this is meant humorously...
Nov 07 21:01:13 <czr> people might..
Nov 07 21:01:24 * czr hopes there are no lawyers around
Nov 07 21:01:33 <GeneralAntilles> It's IRC, how else could it be taken.
Nov 07 21:03:06 <timeless> i hope never to find out
Nov 07 21:03:14 <alterego> Hahah
Nov 07 21:03:30 <alterego> I don't think IRC should be taken that way timeless ;)
Nov 07 21:03:44 <timeless> touche?
Nov 07 21:04:03 <czr> gezundheit
Nov 07 21:04:32 <massoud> how can I ignore the GPG errors BTW ?
Nov 07 21:04:53 <GeneralAntilles> Just ignore them. ;)
Nov 07 21:05:04 <GeneralAntilles> I don't think you can suppress the warnings.
Nov 07 21:05:05 <timeless> close your eyes
Nov 07 21:05:23 <GeneralAntilles> maemo.org needs to fix those at some point, though.
Nov 07 21:05:52 <massoud> I close them now ?
Nov 07 21:06:02 <massoud> can u read me ?
Nov 07 21:09:49 <alterego> Feed me seymour
Nov 07 21:10:05 <timeless> doublec, fwiw, http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook-20071107/source/
Nov 07 21:10:34 <doublec> thanks timeless
Nov 07 21:11:18 <timeless> it's a snapshot, i don't claim to understand if these things will even change
Nov 07 21:13:27 <alterego> Is it preferable to use osso state saving over gconf for settings that aren't really that important?
Nov 07 21:13:31 <alterego> Basically UI state ..
Nov 07 21:14:16 <alterego> I'm just wondering if it's better to use osso's state saving over gconf for storing information on list ordering and which group is currently being viewed.
Nov 07 21:16:16 <czr> alterego, if you need to save something between reboots -> gconf. otherwise state saving might be better. not sure though.
Nov 07 21:16:37 <alterego> Hmm.
Nov 07 21:17:18 <alterego> I have this feature. Where the app remembers the group your viewing (different groups of tasks/todo items) and also the order in which the group is being displayed (priority, date due ..)
Nov 07 21:17:33 <czr> that sounds like user preference
Nov 07 21:17:35 <alterego> I think maybe having this in gconf is a bit over kill ..
Nov 07 21:17:36 <czr> -> gconf.
Nov 07 21:17:56 <czr> unless you explicitly want the user to set the setting each time when they use the app.
Nov 07 21:18:05 <czr> which sounds slightly silly to me :-)
Nov 07 21:18:08 <alterego> No, not each time.
Nov 07 21:18:16 <alterego> Maybe once after a reboot :P
Nov 07 21:18:31 <alterego> Which wouldn't be that often on an always on device.
Nov 07 21:18:44 <czr> why do you think it's always on?
Nov 07 21:18:52 <alterego> Mine is.
Nov 07 21:18:56 <czr> mine isn't :-)
Nov 07 21:19:00 <alterego> Lots of other peoples are.
Nov 07 21:19:05 <czr> really?
Nov 07 21:19:10 <czr> hmm. maybe I'm weird.
Nov 07 21:19:12 <alterego> Sure, why would you turn it off?
Nov 07 21:19:19 <czr> to conserve battery-life
Nov 07 21:19:31 <alterego> Mine lasts for days.
Nov 07 21:19:46 <czr> hmm. interesting. maybe I should revise my usage patterns then
Nov 07 21:20:14 <alterego> Sure, I turn on flight mode when I'm not using wireless/bluetooth
Nov 07 21:21:06 <alterego> But unless you're actually doing something with the device it's likely to last for days idling.
Nov 07 21:21:25 <czr> ah nice. my weird vmware setup will work for tomorrow
Nov 07 21:21:26 <alterego> Maybe even a week or two if you're lucky ^_^
Nov 07 21:21:40 <czr> I have a vm in the laptop. but I don't want to expose the laptop to a potentially hostile network
Nov 07 21:21:44 <czr> but exposing the vm is ok
Nov 07 21:22:07 <czr> so, just tested whether running bridged network in vmware works even if the host doesn't have any IP on the real interface. it does.
Nov 07 21:22:18 <alterego> Nice
Nov 07 21:22:23 * czr yays in a somewhat tired fashion.
Nov 07 21:23:14 <czr> now, I need to figure out what to do resolution wise.
Nov 07 21:26:00 <czr> widescreen laptop with 4:3 vm reso = not fun
Nov 07 21:27:58 <czr> ah. very nice fullscreen mode now.
Nov 07 21:28:03 * czr yays once more
Nov 07 21:28:13 <alterego> Heh
Nov 07 21:28:26 <alterego> I'm having a problem.
Nov 07 21:28:51 * alterego growls a little.
Nov 07 21:30:08 <czr> what's the problem?
Nov 07 21:30:30 <alterego> gconf delay
Nov 07 21:30:41 <alterego> I'm using gconf to store a list of groups.
Nov 07 21:30:49 <alterego> When the user creates a new group I'd like to select that group.
Nov 07 21:31:17 <alterego> Unfortunately it's not possible as there appears to be a slight delay which breaks concurrency in my program :/
Nov 07 21:31:39 <alterego> I have a solution though.
Nov 07 21:32:02 <alterego> Instead of calling 'create_group' then 'select_group'
Nov 07 21:32:29 <czr> well. gconf is client-server after all.
Nov 07 21:32:32 <alterego> create_group will generate a signal notifying my app that a new group has been added to that variable. So I can then select the new item.
Nov 07 21:32:54 <alterego> I just need to work out how to filter the event properly ;)
Nov 07 21:33:18 <czr> strcmp ftw ;-)
Nov 07 21:33:25 <czr> anyhow, need sleep. good luck with the release :-)
Nov 07 21:33:25 <alterego> Heh
Nov 07 21:33:34 <alterego> Yeah, have a good snooze :)
Nov 07 21:33:51 <czr> I will.
Nov 07 21:33:57 <czr> I think I even have a can of beer somewhere.
Nov 07 21:34:41 <GeneralAntilles> Why not just leave it plugged in when you're not using it? :\
Nov 07 21:53:05 <alterego> Right, think I've done it ..
Nov 07 21:53:21 <alterego> Nice :)
Nov 07 21:54:00 <GeneralAntilles> I disagree.
Nov 07 21:54:03 <GeneralAntilles> It's mediocre at best.
Nov 07 21:54:05 <GeneralAntilles> Wait, what?
Nov 07 21:54:06 <_Monkey> Wait, is nflick an uploader?
Nov 07 21:54:12 <alterego> Heh
Nov 07 21:54:33 <GeneralAntilles> Why has _Monkey got to ruin everything?
Nov 07 21:55:09 <alterego> It's not _Monkey's fault. He doesn't know what he's saying.
Nov 07 21:55:55 <GeneralAntilles> The where's Dr. Frankenstein so I can throw some torches at him? :P
Nov 07 21:56:48 * alterego stops trying to be clever and starts hacking.
Nov 07 21:57:13 <alterego> I've had every aspect of this application working fine.
Nov 07 21:57:15 <p|> what about kerez ?
Nov 07 21:57:18 <alterego> Just not at the same time.
Nov 07 21:57:31 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
Nov 07 21:58:04 <GeneralAntilles> Obviously you should split the individual components into a hundred different little apps.
Nov 07 21:58:07 <p|> this is not very secure i think:  cp /etc/sudoers /etc/sudoers~ && echo user ALL = NOPASSWD: ALL >> /etc/sudoers
Nov 07 21:58:37 <alterego> That depends if you let other people use it and they can access the terminal.
Nov 07 21:58:57 <alterego> But no, it's not safe at all.
Nov 07 21:59:05 <alterego> Best just add the programs you plan on using.
Nov 07 21:59:12 <p|> yes
Nov 07 22:08:26 <p|> what is the correct way to start a webserver as a user via sudoers ?
Nov 07 22:08:57 <p|> if i try to start it i receive an error due to log file permission
Nov 07 22:11:17 <||cw> chown the log file
Nov 07 22:12:02 <p|> thanks,  i'll try :)
Nov 07 22:12:27 <p|> bed time, cu2morrow
Nov 07 22:29:07 <keith___> w00t
Nov 07 22:29:49 <FMZ2> Sorry, apparently all the FMZs are taken
Nov 07 22:29:58 <alterego> Heh
Nov 07 22:30:41 <FMZKJ> I saw on the application list for OS2007 that someone got PHP working... and to come here for more info
Nov 07 22:33:07 <||cw> some one's a little jumpy
Nov 07 22:37:39 <alterego> I doubt it'd take any effort at all to get PHP working on the device.
Nov 07 22:37:47 <FMZKJ> Oops... if anyone answered my question when I accidentally left, could you re-paste.
Nov 07 22:37:49 <alterego> But what would you do with it? Build websites?
Nov 07 22:37:50 <FMZKJ> Thanks Alter :)
Nov 07 22:38:19 <FMZKJ> alterego: No... I find PHP very handy for small utilities... so I don't have to learn C again.  heh
Nov 07 22:38:34 <FMZKJ> i.e. I have a PHP script that pulls down all of my podcasts.
Nov 07 22:38:35 <alterego> Ah, yes.
Nov 07 22:38:43 <alterego> I can see it's use there.
Nov 07 22:38:56 <javamaniac> FMZKJ, use python instead
Nov 07 22:39:03 <alterego> If you don't want to spend time learning Ruby or Python
Nov 07 22:39:10 <FMZKJ> If I had the time to re-learn C, I'd love to.  Or learn Python from scratch.
Nov 07 22:39:17 <alterego> Python is so 2005
Nov 07 22:39:25 <alterego> It's all about Ruby-Maemo now.
Nov 07 22:39:29 <FMZKJ> Ruby is so 2007 :P
Nov 07 22:39:31 <FMZKJ> Oh?
Nov 07 22:40:02 <alterego> Ruby is 20XX
Nov 07 22:40:14 <FMZKJ> Is it really the Next Big Thing (tm)?
Nov 07 22:40:38 <alterego> No, that'd be Rails.
Nov 07 22:40:52 <FMZKJ> I thought Ruby = Rails.
Nov 07 22:40:57 <alterego> Ruby is just a great programming language. Though it's shadowed by it's child Rails.
Nov 07 22:41:11 <alterego> No, Rails is just a web development framework.
Nov 07 22:41:16 <alterego> Written in Ruby
Nov 07 22:41:26 <FMZKJ> Hmmm..
Nov 07 22:42:58 <FMZKJ> I shall have to look into it
Nov 07 22:43:26 <alterego> Good choice :)
Nov 07 22:43:43 <alterego> But I'm not bias or anything ..
Nov 07 22:43:55 <alterego> It's not like I'm the Ruby-Maemo dev or anything ..
Nov 07 22:44:01 * alterego looks around the room innocently.
Nov 07 22:44:29 <FMZKJ> Oh...
Nov 07 22:44:30 <GeneralAntilles> Haha
Nov 07 22:44:32 <FMZKJ> I see how you are
Nov 07 22:45:38 <FMZKJ> But for now... the Tested App page says:  php-5.2.0.tgz compiled in scratchbox with PCRE, sqlite support. XML gave problems with build.
Nov 07 22:45:59 <FMZKJ> Does that mean I can just download the tarball and try to compile it on the device?
Nov 07 22:46:10 <alterego> Well, compile it in the SDK.
Nov 07 22:46:18 <alterego> Compiling it on the device would be touch.
Nov 07 22:46:20 <alterego> ~tough ..
Nov 07 22:46:29 <FMZKJ> Ahh, interesting.
Nov 07 22:47:02 <FMZKJ> I'm just getting to the "experienced" stage in Linux... so, this should be fun.  My n800 arrives on Friday.
Nov 07 22:47:15 <alterego> Cool,
Nov 07 22:47:22 <alterego> It's a real nice device.
Nov 07 22:47:34 <alterego> You'll wonder how you ever lived without it.
Nov 07 22:48:01 <FMZKJ> I'm already beginning to think so.
Nov 07 22:48:04 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe
Nov 07 22:48:07 <GeneralAntilles> It's bad.
Nov 07 22:48:14 <alterego> Then you might try mating with it.
Nov 07 22:48:18 <alterego> But I wouldn't recommend that ..
Nov 07 22:48:24 <FMZKJ> I've refreshed the shipping page every 20 minutes since I ordered it.
Nov 07 22:48:24 <GeneralAntilles> It sorta becomes your prosthetic computer.
Nov 07 22:48:54 <FMZKJ> That's kinda what I want it for... an extention of myself :P
Nov 07 22:48:57 <alterego> Yeah, it's taken the place of my laptop for a lot of things when I'm out and about.
Nov 07 22:49:30 <FMZKJ> Almost went for the n810, but... I couldn't justify $250 more bucks just for GPS and a keyboard.
Nov 07 22:49:55 <GeneralAntilles> So not worth it.
Nov 07 22:50:01 <GeneralAntilles> Especially with the lack of real SD
Nov 07 22:50:12 <alterego> Yeah, that is a bit of an annoyance.
Nov 07 22:50:23 <alterego> Considering all the SD's I've got ..
Nov 07 22:51:03 <FMZKJ> alterego: Wanna throw one my way?  ;)
Nov 07 22:51:03 <alterego> Hopefully the device program results will be out of the bag soon though.
Nov 07 22:51:07 * alterego crosses fingers.
Nov 07 22:51:16 <FMZKJ> Device program results?
Nov 07 22:51:31 <GeneralAntilles> alterego is whoring himself to Nokia to get a cheaper N810.
Nov 07 22:51:44 * FMZKJ bends over in Nokia's general direction
Nov 07 22:51:45 <alterego> Nokia have been nice enough to give 500 N810's for 99 EUR
Nov 07 22:52:16 <alterego> Well, one could say whoring.
Nov 07 22:52:33 <alterego> Or you could say being indirectly paid for my work :)
Nov 07 22:53:03 <FMZKJ> Oh, nice... so, they give you an n810 and ask you to make things work on it.
Nov 07 22:53:10 <alterego> Though, the gratitude and apreciation people have been giving me makes it worth it.
Nov 07 22:53:35 <FMZKJ> What is your biggest contrib to the project so far?
Nov 07 22:53:47 <alterego> ruby-maemo
Nov 07 22:53:48 <_Monkey> ruby-maemo is coming along really nicely.
Nov 07 22:53:54 <alterego> That's pretty much my only contribution so far :D
Nov 07 22:54:02 <FMZKJ> Ahh, nice.
Nov 07 22:54:22 <alterego> I've only been developing maemo for ~3 months
Nov 07 22:54:47 <alterego> Considering _real_ work I think I've made some pretty good progress.
Nov 07 22:54:51 <alterego> I've been using a lot :D
Nov 07 22:54:57 <FMZKJ> What kind of uses does Ruby have on Maemo?  (Honest questions, hope I'm not asking too much... heh.  Just want to know if it's something I should really get into)
Nov 07 22:55:29 <alterego> Ruby like Python on maemo allows you to build full graphical apps which can intergrate with the operating system.
Nov 07 22:55:39 <alterego> It's basically a nicer way of developing applications for Maemo.
Nov 07 22:56:13 <alterego> Rather than programming in C. Python and Ruby are a lot like PHP. Though they're more flexible and are oriented at general purpose programming.
Nov 07 22:56:22 <FMZKJ> Wow... On the Ruby page it says it's a scripting language... never seen a scripting language allow you to build GUIs (other than process HTML... heh)... but then I never got into Python either.
Nov 07 22:56:44 <||cw> FMZKJ: never seen php-gtk or perl-gtk?
Nov 07 22:56:45 <FMZKJ> I'm beginning to like the idea of this
Nov 07 22:56:51 <FMZKJ>  o_O
Nov 07 22:56:54 <alterego> Well, I don't totally agree with Ruby being a "scripting language". I think that term is over used :)
Nov 07 22:57:02 <FMZKJ> php-gtk?  Are you kidding me?
Nov 07 22:57:06 <alterego> Nope.
Nov 07 22:57:10 <GeneralAntilles> Or, hell, Pashua for perl + OS X
Nov 07 22:57:25 <FMZKJ> Wow... I do believe a whole new world was just opened up to me.
Nov 07 22:57:26 <||cw> you might be surprized how many gnome utilities are perl-gtk
Nov 07 22:57:30 <FMZKJ> Doesn't Maemo use gtk?
Nov 07 22:57:30 <alterego> Just don't mention it too much or people will start writing php-maemo ..
Nov 07 22:57:34 * alterego shudders.
Nov 07 22:57:45 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
Nov 07 22:57:54 <FMZKJ> lol
Nov 07 22:57:55 <alterego> FMZKJ, indeed. but with a few tweaks and some extra widgets.
Nov 07 22:58:04 <FMZKJ> I'm now intrigued.
Nov 07 22:58:12 <alterego> So, out-of-the-box php-gtk wont really cut it.
Nov 07 22:58:16 <||cw> IMO php doens't do so well for long running apps, at least not the typical builds
Nov 07 22:58:46 <FMZKJ> cw... I wrote an IRC bot in PHP once... it ran fine for months with no restart.  But then, it's not exactly intensive.
Nov 07 22:59:03 <FMZKJ> Any recommended "Learn Ruby in 24 hours" eBooks?
Nov 07 22:59:06 <alterego> Though, the work to get it to intergrate with hildon in a very minimal way. would require only bindings to HildonProgram and HildonWindow.
Nov 07 22:59:11 <||cw> a lot of modules have memory leaks
Nov 07 22:59:14 <GeneralAntilles> Ruby has some pretty good tutorials online.
Nov 07 22:59:32 <alterego> Yeah, good tutorials and there's a really good book "Programming Ruby"
Nov 07 22:59:41 <alterego> Which you can buy in PDF format ..
Nov 07 22:59:50 <suihkulokki> someon is extending pgp-gtk to php-hildon ? :)
Nov 07 22:59:57 <alterego> suihkulokki, NO NO NO!
Nov 07 23:00:00 <alterego> damnit ..
Nov 07 23:00:02 <||cw> FMZKJ: I did the basic online thing from ruby's site and managed to write a command line dvd-ripper in ruby that uses mplayer/mencoder and lsdvd
Nov 07 23:00:10 <alterego> I've opened pandora's box here.
Nov 07 23:00:11 <FMZKJ> Holy crap
Nov 07 23:00:22 <FMZKJ> alterego: I smell burning...
Nov 07 23:00:29 <suihkulokki> haha
Nov 07 23:00:31 <GeneralAntilles> Haha
Nov 07 23:00:40 <GeneralAntilles> 6 months and maemo will be dead.
Nov 07 23:00:45 <FMZKJ> o_O
Nov 07 23:00:49 <GeneralAntilles> A wasteland of broken PHP programs.
Nov 07 23:00:52 <FMZKJ> lmao
Nov 07 23:00:57 <alterego> Heh
Nov 07 23:00:59 <FMZKJ> a la Matrix real world
Nov 07 23:01:03 <||cw> php-gtk isn't very complete anyway
Nov 07 23:01:15 <FMZKJ> It just surprised me was all.
Nov 07 23:01:20 <||cw> and php-gtk2 feels ike abandonware
Nov 07 23:01:32 <alterego> Yeah, I heard it wasn't really that maintained.
Nov 07 23:01:39 <alterego> ruby-gnome2 is absolutely stunning.
Nov 07 23:01:46 <FMZKJ> I think I'm going to seriously have to look into this.
Nov 07 23:01:49 <alterego> It's one of the best ruby extensions I've ever used.
Nov 07 23:02:08 <FMZKJ> Well, I hate to say it guys, but I gotta go.  My girlfriend is waiting for me.
Nov 07 23:02:18 <alterego> The Japanese folk that do that project really know what they're doing ..
Nov 07 23:02:26 <||cw> a girl-what?
Nov 07 23:02:32 <alterego> Hah
Nov 07 23:02:36 <FMZKJ> Can I just say, you are the nicest bunch on an IRC channel (to a chan-newb) I've ever met.  Kudos.
Nov 07 23:03:02 <alterego> Do kudos add to my karma?
Nov 07 23:03:05 <alterego> :(
Nov 07 23:03:09 * alterego thinks not.
Nov 07 23:03:17 <FMZ|away> alterego: Karma: positive
Nov 07 23:03:19 <||cw> we have karma here?
Nov 07 23:03:21 <FMZ|away> Laters guys, I'll be back
Nov 07 23:03:29 <alterego> ||cw, no. But it would be usefull.
Nov 07 23:03:33 <Pio> anyone know any tricks to speed up gnugo in maemo?
Nov 07 23:03:50 <alterego> Pio, use a lower level
Nov 07 23:03:52 <alterego> :)
Nov 07 23:03:59 <alterego> It's slow even on fast machines ..
Nov 07 23:04:02 <Pio> its still a bit slow iirc
Nov 07 23:04:19 <Pio> yeah i know.. a cpu vs cpu game on my amd64 3200 still takes several minutes heh
Nov 07 23:04:24 <alterego> Your best bet is to use your tablet for what it's meant to do. //The Internet//
Nov 07 23:04:25 <_Monkey> Hmm.  No matches for that, alterego.
Nov 07 23:04:35 <alterego> O_o
Nov 07 23:04:35 <Pio> yep.. playing on IGS works nicely with cgoban
Nov 07 23:04:44 <alterego> :)
Nov 07 23:04:44 <GeneralAntilles> Pfft, it's a pocket-computer.
Nov 07 23:04:52 <GeneralAntilles> You should use it for whatever regular computers do. :P
Nov 07 23:05:00 <Pio> at least, what slow computers do heh
Nov 07 23:05:09 <alterego> I was tempted to port my raytracer to it ;)
Nov 07 23:05:11 <GeneralAntilles> . . . in 1998. ;)
Nov 07 23:05:20 <Pio> hehe
Nov 07 23:05:44 <derf> It's actually faster than the computer I had in 1998.
Nov 07 23:06:04 <alterego> Yeah
Nov 07 23:06:15 <alterego> It's faster than a lot of computers people had in 1998
Nov 07 23:06:31 <derf> And 1999.
Nov 07 23:06:42 <alterego> Back when PowerVR was popular.
Nov 07 23:06:54 * alterego coughs **hint hint hint hint**
Nov 07 23:07:02 <r11t> hey everyone
Nov 07 23:07:02 <_Monkey> i heard everyone was a critic :)
Nov 07 23:07:15 <alterego> Heh
Nov 07 23:07:25 <r11t> can anyone recommend the best deal for acquiring a n770?
Nov 07 23:07:34 <GeneralAntilles> Why bother?
Nov 07 23:07:40 <GeneralAntilles> The N800s are dirty cheap these days.
Nov 07 23:07:44 <alterego> Yeah, N800's are pretty cheap now.
Nov 07 23:07:47 <r11t> hmm
Nov 07 23:07:50 <GeneralAntilles> *dirt
Nov 07 23:07:55 <alterego> And they're a _lot_ better.
Nov 07 23:07:59 <GeneralAntilles> N800s are NOT hookers. ;)
Nov 07 23:08:02 <r11t> haha
Nov 07 23:08:06 <Pio> and n770s are umm cheaper than dirt
Nov 07 23:08:13 <GeneralAntilles> 770*
Nov 07 23:08:21 <Pio> yeah
Nov 07 23:08:30 <alterego> The 770 will be usefull for one thing.
Nov 07 23:08:33 <r11t> forgive my ignorance but what is the lowest price for a n800?
Nov 07 23:08:38 <GeneralAntilles> $218
Nov 07 23:08:40 <GeneralAntilles> on buy.com
Nov 07 23:08:40 <alterego> And that's _if_ ubuntu mobile ever gets off the ground.
Nov 07 23:08:42 <GeneralAntilles> or it was
Nov 07 23:08:44 <r11t> hmm....
Nov 07 23:09:11 <alterego> I'm more into emdebian though ^_^
Nov 07 23:10:34 * alterego wonders what it is about GUI apps that produce so much spaghetti code.
Nov 07 23:10:52 <alterego> I used to like Gtk.
Nov 07 23:10:57 <alterego> I'm not so sure now.
Nov 07 23:11:56 <alterego> Though, my code is starting to look very pretty now.
Nov 07 23:12:05 <sp3000> N800s?
Nov 07 23:12:06 <_Monkey> N800s are dirty cheap these days.
Nov 07 23:12:10 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
Nov 07 23:12:22 <sp3000> aww, it doesn't store negatives
Nov 07 23:12:40 <sp3000> or, more likely, doesn't overwrite implicitly
Nov 07 23:12:46 * sp3000 wanted the other one :P
Nov 07 23:20:49 <alterego> I don't know what widget to use! ARGH!
Nov 07 23:20:56 <alterego> This is infuriating.
Nov 07 23:29:14 <sp3000> randomize it
Nov 07 23:29:23 <sp3000> then measure which one gets complained about more
Nov 07 23:30:01 <alterego> Hah
Nov 07 23:32:33 <alterego> I have three options. Gtk::Table, Gtk::TreeView (List), Gtk::VBox of Gtk::HBox's
Nov 07 23:32:59 <alterego> Using the MVC patter of the TreeView kind of breaks my own MVC like patter.
Nov 07 23:33:03 <alterego> ~pattern
Nov 07 23:33:18 <alterego> I'm gonna try the table.
Nov 07 23:33:37 <alterego> But having to specify it's dimension on initialization is a pain.
Nov 07 23:33:41 * alterego sobs
Nov 07 23:34:23 <alterego> VBox of HBox would be okay. If I can create size groups for each column. I could implement my own, grovy, custom widget.
Nov 07 23:38:50 <alterego> Yeah, I can diggit.
Nov 08 00:25:29 <lopz> re
Nov 08 00:58:13 <lopz> re
Nov 08 01:00:13 <edt> what repository has gstreamer0.10-3gp-osso ?
Nov 08 01:23:31 <shacka1> anybody managed to profile code with gprof on chinhook ?
Nov 08 01:31:27 <Tb0n3> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16855101508R
Nov 08 01:31:27 <Tb0n3> wtf?
Nov 08 01:32:22 <zerojay> heh
Nov 08 01:33:30 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
Nov 08 01:55:40 <Toma-> Is there a way to see logs from the FileManger in terms of bluetooth transfers? Im getting a "Operation Failed" when trying to move a pic from my 770 to the phone
Nov 08 01:58:53 <Lateralus> What do you guys use for screenshots on the 810?
Nov 08 01:59:37 <GeneralAntilles> VNC
Nov 08 02:01:10 <skibur> hello
Nov 08 02:01:48 <b0unc3> Lateralus: mh-shot-tool on n800
Nov 08 02:03:54 <Lateralus> No, 810.
Nov 08 02:04:16 <Lateralus> GeneralAntilles: I'm not finding any vnc server via google for the 810, do you have a link?
Nov 08 02:04:25 <GeneralAntilles> x11vnc
Nov 08 02:04:37 <GeneralAntilles> It's for the N800
Nov 08 02:04:42 <GeneralAntilles> No clue if it'll work on the N810
Nov 08 02:04:46 <GeneralAntilles> Though I'd assume it will.
Nov 08 02:05:35 <skibur> you have N810?
Nov 08 02:06:02 <shacka1> anybody managed to profile code with gprof on chinhook ?
Nov 08 02:14:21 <Lateralus> mh-shot-tool is working on the 810, thanks guys
Nov 08 02:15:03 <skibur> ???
Nov 08 02:15:13 <Lateralus> skibur: yes
Nov 08 02:15:15 <skibur> N800 is underclocked at 330MHZ?
Nov 08 02:15:44 <skibur> nice Lateralus
Nov 08 02:16:02 <skibur> I didn't know the N800 was underclocked
Nov 08 02:19:15 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, OS2008 is going to be shit-hot.
Nov 08 02:53:46 <skibur> lol what is the best way to remove a screen protector?
Nov 08 02:54:21 <fysa> credit card
Nov 08 02:56:42 <skibur> wow
Nov 08 02:56:45 <skibur> it worked
Nov 08 02:56:47 <skibur> :)
Nov 08 02:56:50 <skibur> thanks
Nov 08 02:57:19 <skibur> the screen protector is yah thick and the credit card was able to work it out
Nov 08 02:57:28 <skibur> by the corners
Nov 08 02:57:33 <skibur> thanks again
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