**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Nov 12 02:59:56 2007 Nov 12 03:00:00 KDE 4 can run natively on a Mac Nov 12 03:00:02 yeah i dunno you can do more on an n800 though Nov 12 03:00:36 how fast is the n800's browser by the way? Nov 12 03:01:04 quite fast on most sites, as long as it's not flash-heavy Nov 12 03:01:31 i tried it out in the nokia store and for some reason the browser lagged horribly Nov 12 03:02:14 how many windows can you have open at the same time before it starts to bog down? Nov 12 03:02:23 hircus: not according to #maemo as of 10 Nov. General Antilles and zoran. You know some repo with it? Nov 12 03:02:27 it might have just been a lslow connection at t with the store's wifi Nov 12 03:02:57 ScreamingN800: ah, maybe it's just my perspective as a long-time Linux user Nov 12 03:03:09 I avoid like plague sites that are not standards-compliant :) Nov 12 03:03:29 even wikipedia was really slow Nov 12 03:03:32 l7: the standard install comes with the Opera browser. I switched to MicroB which will be default in OS 2008 Nov 12 03:03:47 that might be it too. Wikipedia was decent on both browsers I tested Nov 12 03:03:55 i suspect their wifi... Nov 12 03:04:37 heh, you guys haven't seen my university's public wifi Nov 12 03:04:40 hircus Same perspective..thas why I'm missing it. Nov 12 03:05:02 s/thas/that's Nov 12 03:05:02 a few years ago, voted #1 campus wifi by Intel. it's an equal opportunity hater -- Mac, Windows and Linux clients all have problems with it Nov 12 03:06:41 OK, I've figured it out. I have my server pull down the podcasts as usual, rename them to include the date. Install PHP and wget on the n800, and create a php script to run scp and pull down any files from my server with the date in the filename. Then, each morning before I leave for work (pending a n800 cron install), and it will pull everything down for that day. Nov 12 03:07:06 s/wget/NULL Nov 12 03:08:01 FMz_: why not have your server push to the N800? then you don't need any additional software Nov 12 03:08:03 hrm, that's a cool idea Nov 12 03:08:11 FMz_: oh, you might want to install rsync Nov 12 03:08:20 or unison -- is unison ported? Nov 12 03:08:29 hircus: Mainly because I can't set a static IP on the n800, so my server wouldn't know what to push to. Nov 12 03:09:04 pulling works better in theory since the tablet is not always reachable Nov 12 03:09:07 i used unison to do incremental backups of a company server Nov 12 03:09:11 it was convenient Nov 12 03:09:16 FMz_: what router do you use? Nov 12 03:09:30 most let you do static DHCP assignments, so your N800 always get the same IP Nov 12 03:10:06 Crappy ISP provided... only problem with that is, the network doesn't belong to me, and my roommate is a net-nazi / BOFH. Nov 12 03:10:18 FMz_: I feel your pain then. ugh Nov 12 03:10:41 I think my plan might work, provided I can get PHP to scp the files. Nov 12 03:10:58 I have a nice flatmate, but took me a while to get him to accept that if he set his Bittorrent upload speed too high, it screws up the router Nov 12 03:11:24 FMz_: just use bash scripts if all you want is to pull files Nov 12 03:11:36 I'm not too good at bash scripts... Nov 12 03:11:43 how about Python? Nov 12 03:11:43 <_Monkey> Python is at pymaemo.garage.maemo.org! Nov 12 03:11:58 lol, same for Python, never used it. Nov 12 03:12:08 PHP is an awfully-designed language -- even Python would complain if you use an undeclared variable Nov 12 03:12:17 PHP would just silently assign it a default value Nov 12 03:12:44 so y = x + 42 <-- result is 42 since the undeclared x is used as an integer Nov 12 03:12:48 I'm fine with that hircus... :) As long as I know it will do it. PHP still complains tho... just sends a warning, no fatal. Nov 12 03:13:02 damn hallucinations Nov 12 03:13:13 I use @$undeclaredvar a lot. Nov 12 03:13:17 eek Nov 12 03:13:36 Meh, as long as it's accounted for and I know what's going on with it, it's fine. Nov 12 03:13:52 to each his own :) I have a personal allergy to languages with funny behaviors and $@# variable types .. Perl and PHP Nov 12 03:14:20 $a = (@$a == '') ? '1' : $a; Nov 12 03:14:34 ^ if $a is undeclared, I declare it without throwing any errors... Nov 12 03:15:40 is the a usb to mini usb converter? Nov 12 03:15:50 there Nov 12 03:18:20 FMz_: that is neat. I know people who know their way around Perl and PHP, it's just that I'd be less comfortable with reusing someone else's library Nov 12 03:18:35 How would I connect a flash drive to my n800? Nov 12 03:18:56 hmm Nov 12 03:20:48 FMz_: if 'a' not in dir(): a = 1 Nov 12 03:21:23 rubiks: not sure you can do that with N800 -- it's not supposed to have USB on-the-go support Nov 12 03:21:48 o ok Nov 12 03:21:58 o_O I don't get it hircus... Nov 12 03:22:36 so what is the cable that came with the nokia? Nov 12 03:22:52 FMz_: Python to do the same thing you did Nov 12 03:22:57 miniusb with usb? Nov 12 03:23:06 cable Nov 12 03:23:07 Ahh... :) Shows how little I know about Py :P Nov 12 03:23:18 rubiks: lets you connect your N800 to your PC Nov 12 03:23:26 and make it act like a mass-storage device Nov 12 03:24:16 FMz_: it's a neat language to learn -- almost as good for, say, string processing as Perl, and you can use techniques from more theoretical functional languages Nov 12 03:24:24 (well, not in an optimized way, but still, possible) Nov 12 03:25:31 If I were to learn a language, I think I'd have to go back to good ol Nov 12 03:25:36 ol' C... Nov 12 03:26:02 for what? power? Nov 12 03:26:17 I looked into Ruby... but... Meh, if I'm going to put the time into learning a language, I may as well use what I already know, and get the most functionality. Nov 12 03:26:45 FMz_: uh, do yourself a favour and at least learn C++ rather than plain C :) Nov 12 03:26:51 Hmm... not so much processing efficiency "power"... but raw ability. Nov 12 03:27:49 I learned C and C++ around the ages of 13 and 14, I just forgot most of it. Nov 12 03:28:02 Used to program shareware with my father... heh Nov 12 03:46:02 FMz_: Er.. is there a reason you aren't using video center for your podcast downloading? Nov 12 03:46:39 Hi all, I've run into a snag trying to setup maemo SDK 3.1 so I can then upgrade it to 3.2 Nov 12 03:48:11 zerojay: Does it download them automatically? Nov 12 03:48:52 It shows you when new shows are available. One tap and you've got it. Nov 12 03:49:11 scratchbox is in, maemo SDK install script ran successfully and recommended I do fakeroot apt-get install of maemo-explicit on each of the two scratchbox configs (SDK_ARMEL and X86). The X86 one went without a hitch but the SDK_ARMEL one is giving me errors about various packages including some configuration errors. The first error appearing seems to be: Updating the IM modules list for GTK+-2.4.0.../usr/sbin/up Nov 12 03:49:14 Wow... sounds perfect... Where do I download it? Nov 12 03:49:38 Despite the name, it works for audio podcasts too. Nov 12 03:49:51 I believe it's http://videocenter.garage.maemo.org Nov 12 03:50:25 Cool, taking a look Nov 12 03:50:56 http://www.jablet.net/videocenter/ <-- some simple one click installs for certain podcasts for video center... just a database at the moment, ignore the look of it. Nov 12 03:51:44 I'm digging the idea of this... did you have anything to do with the dev? Nov 12 03:52:15 No, but the Video Center one click installs thing is mine. Nov 12 03:52:33 Awesome.. thanks man :) Nov 12 03:52:54 Part of a set of services I'm going to offer to tablet users... including Jabber (with AIM, MSN, others).. and whatever else people want. Nov 12 03:53:41 Just starting now.. Jabber server is up and available for anyone interested. Nov 12 03:54:17 sigh, i wish rtcomm supported aim, yahoo, etc. i don't like transports and i don't like running pidgin. Nov 12 03:54:33 Transports are fine. Nov 12 03:54:38 Set it up once and forget it. Nov 12 03:54:57 I don't like running pidgin either. Nov 12 03:55:12 of course, responding to an incoming chat takes way too long. Nov 12 03:55:37 It's a little slow, sure.. not Jabber's fault though. Nov 12 03:55:50 Probably won't be there anymore on IT2008. Nov 12 03:56:00 no, complaining about rtcomm Nov 12 03:56:37 The extra speed in the IT2008 update combined with some fixes.. we might see that weird delay disappear completely. Nov 12 03:56:55 Can't find how to add my podcast feed to it =/ Nov 12 03:57:24 FMz_: Add your podcast feed to.. the video center program or my site? Nov 12 03:57:46 The program.... there doesn't seem to be an option. Or I'm an idiot.. heh Nov 12 03:58:31 Application menu while in initial screen (new videos/saved videos) -> Tools -> Services Nov 12 03:58:45 FMz_: If you want me to make it easier for ya, just give me the URL to your podcast. Nov 12 03:58:51 I'll add it to the database. :) Nov 12 03:59:26 Once it's added, one click, it's in. Nov 12 03:59:42 http://curry.podshow.com/wp-rss2.php << Adam Curry's Daily Source Code... I have no idea how the hell I missed the menu option.. lol Nov 12 03:59:48 i don't like transports cause 1)i already have accounts everywhere and thus everyone would have to readd me. 2)i already have 3 jabber accounts and 3)two of my email accounts already map to jabber accounts(gmail and dreamhost). more adds more confusion. Nov 12 04:00:01 Luria: No, they don't. Nov 12 04:00:20 Oh, and the Dreamhost Jabber server blows. Nov 12 04:00:35 they don't in resposw to what? Nov 12 04:01:13 If you've got people on AIM/MSN and others.. they don't have to be readded if you use transports (that's something that happens on Dreamhost though). Nov 12 04:01:33 I was going to use the Dreamhost server for hosting Jabber, but it's horrid. Nov 12 04:01:58 zerojay: Kudos, this program rocks... I love it already. Nov 12 04:02:00 no kidding, but it maps to my imap account which is firstname@lastname.com . you can understand why i'd be reluctant to give that up. Nov 12 04:02:15 No, not really. Nov 12 04:02:36 ps i'm slow on the n800 thumb board. Nov 12 04:02:42 That's fine. :) Nov 12 04:02:50 FMz_: Didn't forget about you, hang on. ;) Nov 12 04:03:38 FMz_: I've got an RSS feed for the database so that when new shows are added, you can also add it directly from the RSS feed reader. Nov 12 04:03:53 you don't understand why having an account that maps isomorphically to my full name isn't of value ? Nov 12 04:04:14 Luria: Not when the server it's hosted on is as bad as the Dreamhost server is. Nov 12 04:04:23 Any maemo devlopers here? Any ideas on the problem I described? Nov 12 04:04:24 ps, does anyone else use mauku ? Nov 12 04:04:32 Luria: I am. Nov 12 04:04:46 what do you think? Nov 12 04:05:30 zerojay: I found it, no worries... but more people need to listen to the DSC anyway ;) Nov 12 04:05:37 Thanks again man, this is perfect. Nov 12 04:05:49 yes, it's a cheap host, but sufficient for a vanity/personal online storage. Nov 12 04:05:57 Luria: I like it, but the most recent version is giving me problems where it runs away with my CPU use. Nov 12 04:07:10 the one thing that is really unique about jaiku - the insertion and merging of rss feeds - doesn't work. Nov 12 04:07:48 Um.. works for me. Nov 12 04:08:31 can't see the source of the rss post, the content beyond the title, or click a link to actually read what it's all about Nov 12 04:08:50 In Mauku, perhaps. Nov 12 04:08:55 that's not working. Nov 12 04:08:56 I know you can definitely do that on the site. Nov 12 04:09:21 FMz_: Well, if you haven't added it already, it's in the DB now. Nov 12 04:09:52 of course. that's why i asked about mauku Nov 12 04:09:55 Awesome... thanks man. Nov 12 04:10:10 I think Mauku broke someting recently.. most of the time, I'm able to click on an RSS feed and it takes me to the Jaiku site.. but that doesn't seem to work anymore. Nov 12 04:10:14 np Nov 12 04:10:26 I just added the Dawn and Drew show, also. Highly recommended. Nov 12 04:11:00 yeah, i thought it used to do that. then i thought i was imagining it. Nov 12 04:11:08 No, it did. Nov 12 04:11:13 Not sure what happened. Nov 12 04:12:14 This is perfect zerojay... wow, exactly what I needed. Everyone download it! Nov 12 04:12:51 FMz_: The video stuff isn't perfect. Some feeds only work in Media player if streamed.. some if downloaded, some only in Mplayer, etc... Nov 12 04:12:58 are you zerojay on jaiku too? i'll add you. Nov 12 04:13:13 I tried to mark those with the video icons in the DB.. I'm mainly trying to add stuff that works. Nov 12 04:13:19 Luria: Sure. Nov 12 04:13:23 <--- on Jaiku Nov 12 04:14:34 Does Mplayer play mp4s? Nov 12 04:14:46 there you are :-) Nov 12 04:15:21 not if you are trying to play that itt 810 video. Nov 12 04:15:37 FMz_: Dawn And Drew added. Nov 12 04:15:43 i thought that was a bit ironic. Nov 12 04:15:52 You're a star zerojay :) Nov 12 04:16:04 Hah. Nov 12 04:16:27 http://media.podshow.com/media/240/episodes/86644/dawnanddrew-86644-11-09-2007.mp4 << won't play Nov 12 04:16:42 But, that's not your fault... downloading Mplayer to try it now Nov 12 04:16:59 Try it with mplayer.. and set Video Center to use External Player. Nov 12 04:18:45 i'm on my n800. ill give it a shot. Nov 12 04:18:57 Cool :) Nov 12 04:19:06 I might try Kagu too, if Mplayer does't work. Nov 12 04:20:39 no go Nov 12 04:21:19 Might be too high a bitrate or resolution or something. Nov 12 04:22:00 Possibly. No big deal, really. I mainly want the podcasts anyway. Nov 12 04:22:03 i can paste the output, but it's a lot Nov 12 04:27:40 or not. Nov 12 04:27:54 ? Nov 12 04:28:40 i can paste the mplayer output, if youd like Nov 12 04:29:19 To be honest, I wouldn't have the first clue as to what to do with it... heh =/ Nov 12 04:29:45 but it doesn't seem to like the video stream. Nov 12 04:30:21 Thanks for the offer though :) Nov 12 04:30:33 np Nov 12 04:51:05 zerojay: Something you might want to put in the ear of the Media Center devs... a "mark all as read" button :) Nov 12 05:03:59 FMz_: You mean like the one in the application menu? ;) Nov 12 05:09:30 Now that one I really can't find :P Nov 12 05:09:53 There's three different views in the program. Nov 12 05:09:58 One split in the middle. Nov 12 05:10:23 wait, hang on Nov 12 05:10:25 Wow... I swear, this stuff just starts working when you say something about it. Nov 12 05:10:32 lol Nov 12 05:11:03 Click on Internet Videos. Once you are there, you can open the application menu and find it under File. Nov 12 05:11:16 Mark as watched. Nov 12 05:11:32 Got it, awesome, thanks :) Nov 12 05:11:34 If you highlight the show and not just a particular episode, it will mark all of that show as watched. Nov 12 05:21:42 K, too much excitement for me... bedtime. Thanks again for all the help zerojay. Enjoy :) Nov 12 05:25:56 FMz_: Same here. Later. Nov 12 05:34:22 bye Nov 12 06:07:17 Hey guys Nov 12 06:07:27 Is it possible to put the N800 into USB Host mode? Nov 12 06:07:34 I've seen it done on the 770 Nov 12 06:34:59 it's possible. Search the mailing list Nov 12 06:35:10 I'm not sure how easy though Nov 12 06:36:28 Syntra: this thread I think: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-developers/2007-October/thread.html#11962 Nov 12 06:36:56 Neat! Nov 12 06:37:17 I would like to know that its fully working before buying anything, though Nov 12 06:37:25 I wanna get a USB keyboard, by the way. Nov 12 06:37:54 It's probably not "fully working".. Nov 12 06:38:11 like the thread title says, "experimental" Nov 12 06:39:17 why not bt keybaord? Nov 12 06:39:36 Lack of Money. Nov 12 06:39:56 oh, the same old. :) Nov 12 06:40:00 XD Nov 12 06:40:29 I found like these Dell Bluetooth keyboards on eBay for like 30$, but I've yet to find out if there HID or anything Nov 12 06:45:11 :) Nov 12 08:09:59 does ekiga work on the n800? Nov 12 08:18:45 seems it does Nov 12 08:18:53 alpha Nov 12 08:22:53 Hi Nov 12 08:45:16 Morning, all Nov 12 08:58:22 Good morning. Nov 12 09:04:14 bad morning Nov 12 09:04:18 could someone please help me? Nov 12 09:21:45 I bet you can save me a lot of time: How does osso-contact-plugin (in navigator panel) know that there is new email available? Some kind of D-BUS signal maybe? (It seems that the source is not available.) Is that going to be changed when modest arrives? Nov 12 09:22:21 modest is open source, although it's spread across two repositories Nov 12 09:22:28 * timelyx could look it up at work Nov 12 09:22:41 hhedberg: are you oulu.nokia? Nov 12 09:22:48 if so, i can save you and myself time Nov 12 09:22:57 timelyx, no. :) Nov 12 09:24:25 the useful part of modest is here: Nov 12 09:24:25 http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/source/modest/modest/trunk/ Nov 12 09:24:35 you should be able to do a find or search to find what interests you Nov 12 09:24:52 the part not in garage is tinymail (mail core) Nov 12 09:26:39 offhand, i don't see the relevant bit, you might want to look through the dbus bits Nov 12 09:26:44 bon dia / good morning Nov 12 09:26:46 morning all. Is anyone having problems reaching maemo.org? Nov 12 09:26:56 garage was fine Nov 12 09:26:59 maemo.org is fine Nov 12 09:27:01 repository was fine Nov 12 09:27:06 yeah garage ok Nov 12 09:27:08 bugzilla was fine Nov 12 09:27:32 maemo.org works for me. Nov 12 09:27:45 X-Fade: ok, thanks Nov 12 09:28:42 however, not sure if the modest supports osso-contact-plugin yet. Nov 12 09:28:54 strange thing is I can't reach it but my router is getting hit by maemo.org on http port Nov 12 09:29:41 each line in the routers security log ends with " -Black List Defens" Nov 12 09:29:58 sounds very much like a problem at your end Nov 12 09:30:06 I obviously have not blacklisted maemo :-))) Nov 12 09:30:07 hhedberg: i'm pretty sure it does Nov 12 09:33:23 hhedberg: I'm looking into your screenshot upload bug atm. Nov 12 09:33:42 hmmm, last leg on tracert to maemo.org is: ufi10189.fi.customer.alter.net [62.176.60.94] Nov 12 09:34:50 hhedberg: in the mean while, I removed the corrupted screenshot. Nov 12 09:35:49 x-fade: thanks. now i can mess the entry again :) Nov 12 09:36:18 hhedberg: I'm testing some things in your entry, so things might break again in the next few minutes ;) Nov 12 09:36:47 x-fade: sound excellent ;) well, there is two Mauku entries in the 2006 catalog... Nov 12 09:37:23 so, can someone please explain maemo.org's karma rankings for news items? :) Nov 12 09:37:47 hhedberg: Which one do you want removed? Nov 12 09:39:09 x-fade, I do not know, since they have exactly the same unix name. Nov 12 09:39:56 hhedberg: Ok, i'll check them based on guid. Nov 12 09:40:38 x-fade: of course I like more the entry with the 5 stars rating. :) Nov 12 09:41:36 but the entry with the shorter description is the one I have not been able to modify because the other entry with the same name has precedence. Nov 12 09:42:43 Hi guys :) Nov 12 09:44:42 x-fade: Thanks for you help. BTW, you may know that I have expressed my dissatisfaction with the new division of the Downloads section. It is not very nice to enter and update the same application data three times (for every different IT OS release). Nov 12 09:47:59 hhedberg: Now you only have 1 mauku in 2006.. Nov 12 09:48:44 x-fade: very good. I just updated the version info of it. Nov 12 09:55:23 problem solved, bloody belkin routers Nov 12 09:58:07 kind of offtopic, but can anyone clarify what are the main differences between jaiku and twitter? besides that jaiku has been developed in Finland.. Nov 12 10:04:43 teprrr, I think it is the possibility to comment other users' Jaikus (messages). And of course the native Maemo application supporting jaiku. :) Nov 12 10:06:24 > But memorial day (or whatever it is)? Hello? Ask anyone in Europe when that day is and you get a "What's Memorial day? Did they move our national holiday again?" Nov 12 10:06:25 * timelyx rotfl Nov 12 10:14:11 hhedberg, ah, I see. and looks like Jaiku has channels while twitter doesn't. or at least their page doesn't seem to talk much about it anyways... Nov 12 10:20:47 teprrr, yes, channels are another thing that separates twitter and jaiku. Nov 12 10:21:48 hello Nov 12 10:21:55 im having some problems with media converter Nov 12 10:22:06 im trying to execute it on windows xp Nov 12 10:22:12 and nothing happens Nov 12 10:23:04 hhedberg, looking at the code and just wondering. is it normal procedure to use com.nokia. prefix for dbus for 3rd party apps? Nov 12 10:23:32 oh damn Nov 12 10:23:34 i need java Nov 12 10:26:49 timelyx: yesterday was Remembrance Sunday in the UK - suppose that's equivalent to Memorial Day. Nov 12 10:27:59 teprrr, no Nov 12 10:28:08 teprrr: The tutorial encourages to use different prefix, but I think it is a bug. At least the osso_initialize() adds the com.nokia prefix to the application name and uses it as a DBUS name. If the app does not use the com.nokia prefix, it is killed by the system after few seconds, or it must register a DBUS callback handler with its own prefix to receive top_application notify. Of course, the libosso_initialize may be designed wrong. Nov 12 10:28:10 teprrr, you should use real d-bus prefixes. Nov 12 10:28:21 hhedberg, that is not true Nov 12 10:28:40 if you pass an app name which has dots in it, osso_initialize will use that directly (no forced com.nokia prefix will be added) Nov 12 10:28:59 czr, oh, well... another undocumented thing :) Nov 12 10:29:05 indeed Nov 12 10:29:10 czr, should have read the source Nov 12 10:29:15 probably Nov 12 10:29:36 actually the first implementation of it was buggy (back in the 1.0 days). it contained the avoidance logic but the logic contained a bug :-) Nov 12 10:29:49 but anything since 1.0 has a working implementation. just not documented. Nov 12 10:30:30 however, the tutorial tells to just use the application name without prefix. Nov 12 10:30:58 :-) Nov 12 10:31:00 what can I say. Nov 12 10:31:01 czr, ah, got it :P Nov 12 10:32:40 but what a wonderful day, I have learnt something new again :) Nov 12 10:32:59 me too. Nov 12 10:33:16 that's how it usually goes ;) Nov 12 10:33:32 well, the stuff that I learnt wasn't connected to the stuff that you did :-) Nov 12 10:33:56 been building a better vm for maemo development Nov 12 10:34:10 vm as in virtualmachine? Nov 12 10:34:14 got slightly cranky because of all the fancy ubuntu stuff that mainly just gets in the way with vms Nov 12 10:34:17 yes teprrr Nov 12 10:34:27 note, this is not the same vm as the "official" nokia-one Nov 12 10:34:35 that's packeged/built by indt/.br Nov 12 10:34:42 afaik Nov 12 10:35:44 hmm, what's the official vm? qemu? Nov 12 10:35:56 err. you misunderstand. Nov 12 10:36:09 qemu is used for the armel emulation for SDK (when building software in SDK) Nov 12 10:36:12 that what I was thinking :) Nov 12 10:36:24 that's even Nov 12 10:36:27 the vm I'm talking about is a prebuilt virtual machine which contains a linux environment, installed sbox and installed maemo SDK Nov 12 10:36:40 (for vmware) Nov 12 10:36:46 ahh. some vmware based image or something like.. ahh, got it Nov 12 10:37:10 although I could imagine it would be pretty easy to convert the disk into something that qemu or xen understand, but that's not my problem atm. Nov 12 10:37:24 and one would have to modify the system slightly as well, at least for xen Nov 12 10:37:33 hello Nov 12 10:37:37 teprrr, so, you are reading the Mauku source? Nov 12 10:38:00 czr, as far as I know qemu can read lots of disk formats, including vmwares Nov 12 10:38:44 czr, anyway, this virtual machine of yours, is it for OS2008? Nov 12 10:40:49 TPC, yes Nov 12 10:41:55 are you going to post it somewhere? Nov 12 10:42:25 why? Nov 12 10:42:36 I don't have adequate bw to serve large files Nov 12 10:42:57 I've been meaning to set up scratchbox to play around with some things, but I can't get it to work since I don't run x86 architecture Nov 12 10:43:06 a virtual machine would be a nice workaround Nov 12 10:43:09 what do you run? Nov 12 10:43:12 amd64 Nov 12 10:43:22 ah, yeah. that's what I do as well Nov 12 10:43:33 plus vms isolate the stuff from my real working environment Nov 12 10:43:43 yep, thats another bonus Nov 12 10:44:09 if you find some server with proper bw, I can think about it. you could always try to use the "official" vm as well. not sure whether it's ready yet Nov 12 10:44:23 ppl have complained about very slow dl speeds with it though (getting the image that is) Nov 12 10:44:27 Is any one tried the example alarm source of maemo on emulator? Nov 12 10:44:49 czr, you could always create a torrent Nov 12 10:45:32 is the libmetalayer+extractors (defined in metadata_lib.conf) documented anywhere ? Nov 12 10:47:36 hhedberg, yup, looking at it just for curiosity. Nov 12 10:47:40 TPC, no I couldn't. Nov 12 10:48:39 if someone is willing to host one, I'm all for that. but I'm not. Nov 12 10:48:50 (drop me a note if you want to) Nov 12 10:51:20 I was able to the the crawler to add mod, s3m, xm and oggs to the metastorage database using the libmtext_mime module, but the MIME field is null, so the media player won't list the files. If I fix the mime type then it will list the files (playing an ogg right now..) Nov 12 10:51:43 any documentation on how to make an metaextractor module myself ? Nov 12 11:02:43 * zuh wonders how many hours has been spent to unf*ck ogg handling in ITOS... and how that compares to the hours it would have taken Nokia to allow it properly by simply installing the approperiate plugins Nov 12 11:03:09 zuh: say fooogg Nov 12 11:03:23 fooogg (yes, mastah) Nov 12 11:03:26 thx Nov 12 11:05:05 onion: if you find out how to do that, please let me know :) Nov 12 11:07:48 kulve: sure Nov 12 11:10:37 onion: try asking the mailing list Nov 12 11:13:12 suihkulokki: I'll do that Nov 12 11:29:02 <_berto_> does anyone know if this is working?? -> https://maemo.org/downloads/product/create/OS2008/application.html Nov 12 11:29:17 <_berto_> I'm trying to add a new app there but I'm getting an error Nov 12 11:31:02 _berto_: What kind of error? Nov 12 11:31:23 <_berto_> Failed to create a new product under product group #0, cannot continue. Nov 12 11:31:25 <_berto_> Error: Access Denied Nov 12 11:31:38 <_berto_> the App Category and ITOS combos appear empty Nov 12 11:32:47 _berto_: You are right. I'll look into it.. Nov 12 11:32:58 <_berto_> X-Fade: thanks! Nov 12 11:38:07 _berto_: you need to login in, select it2008, select the category and then select "create maemo application" from the Page item in the menu at the top of the page.. Nov 12 11:38:31 the big "add new application" button doesn't seem to work.. Nov 12 11:38:48 <_berto_> ah, ok Nov 12 11:39:12 <_berto_> i'll try Nov 12 11:40:12 kulve: Yeah, that is a safe workaround. Nov 12 11:40:23 <_berto_> yes, it seems to work, I'm adding the app now Nov 12 11:40:27 <_berto_> I'll tell you in a couple of minutes Nov 12 11:40:28 <_berto_> thanks Nov 12 11:40:33 X-Fade: I just tried what _berto_ did, and I got the same error Nov 12 11:40:58 I will fix the button asap ;) Nov 12 11:50:36 <_berto_> it works, thanks! -> https://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/vagalume/ Nov 12 11:50:37 <_berto_> :) Nov 12 11:52:03 _berto_: I've been using the app for listening a lot of hours already. I really like it. Nov 12 11:52:16 <_berto_> thanks :) Nov 12 11:52:21 _berto_, I suggest taking the s away from https when posting such links Nov 12 11:52:41 <_berto_> oops, I just copied & pasted from the browser, sorry Nov 12 11:53:01 _berto_, https links to maemo.org require login, so people who don't have accounts will not see it Nov 12 11:53:10 _berto_, not that I care, I do have one ;) Nov 12 11:54:01 _berto_: thanks for vagalume Nov 12 11:54:12 <_berto_> you're welcome, solmumaha Nov 12 11:54:31 <_berto_> :) Nov 12 11:55:08 _berto_: Also makes my N800 feel nice and warm ;) Nov 12 11:56:01 <_berto_> I was very surprised that no one had made a similar app before Nov 12 11:56:07 <_berto_> the protocol is quite simple Nov 12 11:56:51 _berto_: Any plans for future versions? Nov 12 11:57:06 <_berto_> yes, my immediate plan Nov 12 11:57:14 <_berto_> is support for previews Nov 12 11:57:17 <_berto_> lastfm://play/... urls Nov 12 11:57:25 <_berto_> there are lots of free albums out there Nov 12 11:57:30 <_berto_> but they're not working right now Nov 12 11:57:34 <_berto_> and then, the UI Nov 12 11:57:44 Album art? :) Nov 12 11:57:52 <_berto_> yes, it's part of the UI Nov 12 11:58:38 <_berto_> and libconic support Nov 12 11:58:58 <_berto_> so it detects whether the device is online or not Nov 12 11:58:58 The UI is pretty basic (some might even call it ugly), but it is just so great in use that it doesn't matter.. Nov 12 11:59:10 <_berto_> yes, it's ugly, you can call it that way Nov 12 11:59:11 <_berto_> :D Nov 12 11:59:19 i like the simplicity of it Nov 12 11:59:45 Yeah, me too. Just add a love / ban icon and it is perfect ;) Nov 12 11:59:47 <_berto_> I wanted to have a decent UI before releasing it, but then I thought that if it was working and people could use it... Nov 12 11:59:57 vagalume rox0rs Nov 12 12:00:24 _berto_: it would be nice to maybe just have the same buttons as on last.fm? Nov 12 12:00:27 vagalume needs a bit of tigert's styling love ;) Nov 12 12:00:32 tango icon set has icons for those already Nov 12 12:00:32 <_berto_> yes, that's the idea Nov 12 12:00:48 and I could help with the layout Nov 12 12:01:06 can you do album art in practice for it? Nov 12 12:01:11 I mean, should I design for that? Nov 12 12:01:16 if you want help, of course Nov 12 12:01:30 <_berto_> I have a friend here who is making some design Nov 12 12:01:33 also, is it possible to control the volume from the app? Nov 12 12:01:38 _berto_: sounds great then! :) Nov 12 12:01:40 <_berto_> but I'd appreciate your help Nov 12 12:01:45 <_berto_> I'll call you if I need it Nov 12 12:01:45 <_berto_> :) Nov 12 12:01:47 keep it finger-usable Nov 12 12:01:50 that is the main thing Nov 12 12:01:53 ie, big buttons Nov 12 12:01:54 <_berto_> right now you can use hw +/- buttons Nov 12 12:01:58 <_berto_> to control the volume Nov 12 12:02:07 and the fave / "never play this shit again" - buttons should be in the ui, not just in the menus Nov 12 12:02:13 _berto_: oh ok, good Nov 12 12:02:15 <_berto_> yes, I agree Nov 12 12:02:21 an indicator would be nice for volume too Nov 12 12:02:29 but yeah, good stuff Nov 12 12:02:30 <_berto_> yes, a volume bar Nov 12 12:02:37 I am loving the app Nov 12 12:02:41 tigert: you haven't updated it, have you? :) Nov 12 12:04:12 no :) Nov 12 12:04:20 just realized my copy doesnt do volume changing Nov 12 12:04:25 and I assume it has other new goodies too :) Nov 12 12:04:27 <_berto_> 0.2 is out Nov 12 12:04:30 <_berto_> it has volume control Nov 12 12:04:44 is it in repos? Nov 12 12:05:03 <_berto_> not yet, it's in garage.maemo.org Nov 12 12:05:06 <_berto_> I have to create a .install file Nov 12 12:05:10 ok Nov 12 12:06:45 yea, got the package Nov 12 12:06:51 * Sho_ grumbles about http://maemo.org/downloads/rss.xml being broken Nov 12 12:07:29 Sho_, how is it broken? Nov 12 12:07:46 alterego: 404? :) Nov 12 12:07:54 Ah Nov 12 12:08:36 Because who ever maintians pidgin has set their updated date to the 17th. Which is causing them to stay at the top of the "Fresh" list :/ Nov 12 12:09:18 It's the feed URL embedded into the download pages ... the format seems to be correct, for news it's news/rss.xml, too. So it was probably just forgotten to set up. Nov 12 12:09:55 Yeah, like how the IT2008 site link on the front page 404's ;) Nov 12 12:10:03 <_berto_> oh, and one feature I have to add is the alarm clock :) Nov 12 12:10:09 <_berto_> it should be easy Nov 12 12:11:07 _berto_, what are you developing? Nov 12 12:12:03 <_berto_> a last.fm client, http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/vagalume/ Nov 12 12:12:16 Cool, what's the alarm for? Nov 12 12:12:34 alterego: Wake up with your favorite music? Nov 12 12:12:37 <_berto_> for waking you up in the morning Nov 12 12:12:41 Oh nice. Nov 12 12:12:47 Add that and I'll install it ;) Nov 12 12:12:52 I'll file a bug at the tracker, I guess Nov 12 12:13:12 I might even rate it too :P Nov 12 12:13:34 _berto_: maybe a timer for long it plays? :) i use it to fall asleep and have to charge every morning Nov 12 12:13:45 Heh Nov 12 12:13:51 <_berto_> alterego: but you'll need to register at www.last.fm Nov 12 12:14:03 <_berto_> solmumaha: I had never thought about that, it might be a good idea Nov 12 12:14:12 Sure, I've been putting it off for a while .. Nov 12 12:14:58 alterego: desktop applet support coming soon? Nov 12 12:15:26 * db48x hunts for a stylus Nov 12 12:15:30 solmumaha, I've been working on it over the weekend. Nov 12 12:15:35 It should work but it's not :/ Nov 12 12:16:11 For some reason my loader isn't being recognised. If I finish my current /job/ project today I'll have a closer look. Nov 12 12:16:23 But I need money ;) Nov 12 12:16:31 Christmas just around the corner and everything. Nov 12 12:16:53 sleep less Nov 12 12:17:08 I'm not sure that's possible. Nov 12 12:17:13 I got 4 hours last night :P Nov 12 12:17:35 If I carry on like that a few more days I wont have the brain function to do anything ^_^ Nov 12 12:18:50 Hi to all ... :) Nov 12 12:19:33 alterego: well after you are done with ruby, you could port pulseaudio ;) Nov 12 12:20:10 Never heard of it. Nov 12 12:20:28 What does it do? Nov 12 12:20:50 it's a sound server with advanced features Nov 12 12:21:48 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PulseAudio Nov 12 12:22:24 would be nice to switch output from tablet to server connected to speakers and vice versa Nov 12 12:22:33 Interesting. Nov 12 12:23:27 solmumaha: you can do that with esd already Nov 12 12:24:01 well it's not the only feature i like Nov 12 12:24:34 cosmo: is that easy to do on the fly? Nov 12 12:24:38 Bah, Bugzilla seems to be lazy on sending out account confirmations today Nov 12 12:25:05 does tablet have tools for that? Nov 12 12:26:42 pulseaudio made my local system keep crashing Nov 12 12:26:47 solmumaha: not real tools Nov 12 12:26:59 you must set environment variable manually Nov 12 12:27:59 and restart playback? Nov 12 12:28:09 yep i think Nov 12 12:28:29 pulseaudio looks better though Nov 12 12:28:40 yes, haven't tested it though Nov 12 12:38:47 um, dumb question maybe, but how do I send an escape to vi with the n800 onscreen keyboard? Nov 12 12:39:09 db48x: you don't. you use the hardware escape. (the round arrow) Nov 12 12:39:40 ahh Nov 12 12:40:24 thanks Nov 12 13:10:37 zerojay: fwiw, bug 2263 Nov 12 13:10:38 <_Monkey> Bug 2263 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2263 Nov 12 13:10:42 i finally got the guy to file the bug :) Nov 12 13:11:40 hrm, it's in the wrong component, oh well Nov 12 13:22:19 anyone do c++ unit testing? Nov 12 13:24:04 * alterego vomits Nov 12 13:24:21 that sounds like a yes ;-) Nov 12 13:24:38 I've not touched C++ in years :/ Nov 12 13:24:48 ah, http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/500_fortunate_applicants.html Nov 12 13:24:57 And I'd rather not do it again ;) Nov 12 13:25:07 A! Nov 12 13:26:26 last time I tried unit-testing C code, I ended up creating a very hacky Python binding and writing the tests in Python... Nov 12 13:27:09 I see Nov 12 13:27:31 I was looking at cppunit, since I've used [nj]unit before Nov 12 13:36:01 I did some experiments with cunit a while back.. Nov 12 13:36:38 http://blog.0x63.nu/2007/08/c-unit-testing-framework.html Nov 12 13:37:16 I wrote a C testing framework when I was writing Maemo software Nov 12 13:37:25 just a few macros, really. Nothing fancy. Nov 12 13:37:32 interesting Nov 12 13:37:32 Of course, it totally failed for segfaults and such :) Nov 12 13:37:41 there's now a glib unit testing lib thats being discussed on gtk-devel Nov 12 13:38:37 I think it was like 50 loc Nov 12 13:38:46 a test framework would be a solid addition to glib Nov 12 13:39:10 looks pretty likely it'll be going in Nov 12 13:39:32 robtaylor: Got direct link to archive? Nov 12 13:40:02 anders_: maybe this? http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gtk-devel-list/2007-November/msg00000.html Nov 12 13:40:04 http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gtk-devel-list/2007-November/msg00000.html Nov 12 13:40:06 heh Nov 12 13:40:20 ;-) Nov 12 13:40:39 I usually do testing in dejagnu, though its more system testing than unit testing Nov 12 13:40:52 yep, that has some good features there Nov 12 13:41:15 hmm @ expect Nov 12 13:41:47 well, atleast expect handles some of the fringe cases for me Nov 12 13:42:17 yeah Nov 12 13:42:28 of course you have to brew up a few handle functions to cover up some of the boiler plates for the simpler tests Nov 12 13:42:36 hmm, I'd have to generate driver stubs for all my test cases using dejagnu Nov 12 13:45:26 if the glib code was in a more finalized state, I'd be sorely tempted to use it Nov 12 13:46:52 Hi guys ! Nov 12 13:47:16 I begun to code a game for n800, with SDL Nov 12 13:47:31 it works on debian, bue not on n800 Nov 12 13:47:48 no error Nov 12 13:47:57 I run the game and nothing happens Nov 12 13:48:03 any idea ? >_> Nov 12 13:48:11 rothiel: does it work in scratchbox? Nov 12 13:48:38 neither Nov 12 13:48:39 <_Monkey> well, neither is n800 if you shut it down.. Nov 12 13:49:29 rothiel, is it an OpenGL app? Nov 12 13:49:32 * alterego chuckles. Nov 12 13:49:35 Tak > ARMEL ou X86 same thing Nov 12 13:49:41 no alterego , just SDL Nov 12 13:49:49 O_o Nov 12 13:49:57 It should be ARMEL Nov 12 13:50:26 what kind of game it it? what does it do for audio? what's the default screen resolution? Nov 12 13:51:04 no audio, on fullscreen Nov 12 13:51:12 what is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? Nov 12 13:51:16 it's a "push & go" type game Nov 12 13:51:46 it's really simple, that's why I don't understand... Nov 12 13:51:58 what screen resolution does it default to? Nov 12 13:52:13 800*480 Nov 12 13:52:14 <_Monkey> 384000 Nov 12 13:52:43 heh Nov 12 13:52:45 does it crash? Nov 12 13:52:47 no, 640*480 Nov 12 13:52:53 no crash Nov 12 13:52:59 just nothing Nov 12 13:53:03 ok - does it consume all the cpu? Nov 12 13:53:15 int main(void) { Nov 12 13:53:19 return 0; Nov 12 13:53:21 } Nov 12 13:53:27 that's the same result >_> Nov 12 13:53:46 so it runs, but then exits? Nov 12 13:54:25 no trace of my programm in the top list Nov 12 13:54:44 are you running from xterm, or menu item? Nov 12 13:55:31 I use the osso-xterm Nov 12 13:55:37 (brb, sorry) Nov 12 14:06:19 re Nov 12 14:08:15 someone have already try gnucash on an it ? Nov 12 14:08:39 hmm - it seems like gnucash would require extensive UI modifications Nov 12 14:09:51 it seems :) Nov 12 14:10:04 salut Khertan Nov 12 14:10:22 do you know good account manager with a small footprint ? Nov 12 14:10:26 salut rothiel Nov 12 14:10:46 tiens dis moi... t'as deja essayé de coder sdl sur scratchbox ? Nov 12 14:10:56 non jamais Nov 12 14:11:02 j'ai un jeu qui complie nickel, que ce soit sous debian ou sous le sdk Nov 12 14:11:12 le sdl spa trop mon truc :) Nov 12 14:11:16 elle se lance nickel sous debian, mais rien sous n800.. Nov 12 14:11:35 ta pas une fenetre x11 sous le maemo-launcher ? Nov 12 14:11:36 arf donc je suppose que tu vois pas où pourrait etre le pb ^^ Nov 12 14:11:45 si je vois un peu pres ... Nov 12 14:11:48 bah jla lance avec l'osso-xterm Nov 12 14:11:59 sur scratchbox ? Nov 12 14:12:10 non sur le n800 Nov 12 14:12:35 essaye sur scratchbox ... cela sera plus facile. Nov 12 14:12:56 how much code is it? can you pastebin it? Nov 12 14:13:16 même resultat que sur le n800 Nov 12 14:13:34 il ne se lance bien que directement sous debian Nov 12 14:13:53 et quand je compile sus scratchbox j'ai aucune erreur, c'est ça que je ne comprends pas Nov 12 14:13:53 (we are on an english chan, i think it ll be better if we talk in english) Nov 12 14:14:03 (yeah sorry) Nov 12 14:14:04 (so other users can join the talk) Nov 12 14:15:18 can you pastebin the code ? Nov 12 14:15:41 i think there is something wrong with the windows managment ;) Nov 12 14:16:13 ps : GnuCash require Guile, someone know this library ? Nov 12 14:17:09 in zeenix's words, guile is the official extension language of the gnu project :) Nov 12 14:18:02 #include "SDL/SDL.h" Nov 12 14:18:02 const int SCREEN_WIDTH = 800; Nov 12 14:18:02 const int SCREEN_HEIGHT = 480; Nov 12 14:18:02 const int SCREEN_BPP = 16; Nov 12 14:18:02 SDL_Surface *message = NULL; Nov 12 14:18:03 SDL_Surface *background = NULL; Nov 12 14:18:05 SDL_Surface *screen = NULL; Nov 12 14:18:35 (sorry for the paste) Nov 12 14:18:37 int main( int argc, char* args[] ) Nov 12 14:18:37 { Nov 12 14:18:37 if( SDL_Init( SDL_INIT_EVERYTHING ) == -1 ) Nov 12 14:18:37 return 1; Nov 12 14:18:37 Nov 12 14:18:40 screen = SDL_SetVideoMode( SCREEN_WIDTH, SCREEN_HEIGHT, SCREEN_BPP, SDL_SWSURFACE ); Nov 12 14:18:42 Nov 12 14:18:44 if( screen == NULL ) Nov 12 14:18:46 { Nov 12 14:18:48 return 1; Nov 12 14:18:50 } Nov 12 14:18:51 Nov 12 14:18:54 SDL_WM_SetCaption( "Push & Go", NULL ); Nov 12 14:18:56 here is the beginning of the code Nov 12 14:19:21 http://pastebin.com/ Nov 12 14:19:23 :) Nov 12 14:19:24 rothiel: for one thing, you're missing SDL_FULLSCREEN from the flags Nov 12 14:19:50 Khertan, > I dunno this webiste sorry :p Nov 12 14:20:00 but I'll remember :) Nov 12 14:20:16 nope your welcome :) Nov 12 14:20:52 for the next thing, I'd put printfs on the error conditions so you know when they're failing Nov 12 14:21:15 yes I'll do that Nov 12 14:21:31 tsavola > thanks :) Nov 12 14:24:31 I suspect it's refusing to initialize the screen because you're trying to do 800x480 in a window Nov 12 14:25:29 I check it with printf Nov 12 14:26:01 tsavola: you have the memory of an elephant :) Nov 12 14:26:55 hum it's segfaulting Nov 12 14:27:16 I'll test with SDL_FULLSCRREN :) Nov 12 14:27:24 -R+E Nov 12 14:32:43 Yay, I've now got my actual discount code. Nov 12 14:33:08 No clue as to release date, yet. Nov 12 14:33:18 My bet's now firming up on the end of this week. Nov 12 14:36:05 zeenix: i have selective memory. the selection criteria cannot be configured. Nov 12 14:39:23 How can I extract an email (the raw source) to send as an attachment Nov 12 14:40:09 yeah Tak ! Nov 12 14:40:15 u found the trick :p thx Nov 12 14:44:16 jaffa > me too :) Nov 12 14:44:27 np, I'm looking forward to seeing the game ;-) Nov 12 14:45:28 :) Nov 12 14:49:47 I'm on ubuntu gutsy and I installed scratchbox, and now I'm trying to install python-maemo, but dpkg-reconfigure is not installed. how best to fix this? Nov 12 14:55:13 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=539&stc=1&d=1194878408 Nov 12 14:55:16 sniff Nov 12 14:56:29 discount code and pre instructions?! Nov 12 14:56:33 * alterego starts to drool. Nov 12 14:56:39 makes sense, they wouldn't want to stop people buying a new one Nov 12 14:57:07 * Jaffa want OS 2008. Me want device on which to run it. Nov 12 14:57:20 * alterego gets discount code tattoo'd on face. Nov 12 14:57:25 I wont lose it there. Muahahaha Nov 12 14:58:19 songbird on n810? Nov 12 14:58:24 that would be pretty cool Nov 12 14:58:59 songbird ? Nov 12 14:59:19 top right corner of that screenshot Nov 12 14:59:43 Cool, one of my friends got accepted as well. He's not told me about that :) Nov 12 14:59:43 lol Nov 12 14:59:47 not see it :) Nov 12 15:00:35 blue background, black birds playing musical instruments Nov 12 15:02:08 weird that it would be on that page Nov 12 15:04:36 Hmm, pidgin wont install. Nov 12 15:04:43 Where's gnutls13? Nov 12 15:06:00 how about someone pick up mtpaint as a project Nov 12 15:06:24 whee, just got the discount code email ;) Nov 12 15:08:53 in fact nokia talk about songbird as a great player to sync your n800 and n810 music with your desktop Nov 12 15:09:04 not a port of songbird on an nxxx Nov 12 15:09:10 http://tableteer.nokia.com/tableteer/os2008/exp_songbird.xhtml#top Nov 12 15:11:36 Is there a list implementation for maemo? Nov 12 15:11:40 lisp even Nov 12 15:14:31 hedgehog! (i'm not sure if it's easily available for maemo) Nov 12 15:14:41 "sometimes all of or thoughts are misgiven" Nov 12 15:14:47 but it's lisp designed for embedded environments Nov 12 15:15:15 but i guess you would want some maemo integration, too :) Nov 12 15:20:17 btw complements to Reggie on the facelift on internettablettalk (in case this ever shows up in a google search for you) Nov 12 15:21:24 lardman, tsavola, I was going to work on a lisp implementation (maybe scheme) for maemo after I'm happy with ruby-maemo Nov 12 15:21:39 pupnik, :) Nov 12 15:22:20 Yeah, the new design is quite cute. Nov 12 15:22:44 I like the old site layout inset into the N810 display :) Nov 12 15:25:20 hello Nov 12 15:25:21 <_Monkey> niihau, rubiks Nov 12 15:30:14 anything new? Nov 12 15:30:27 I've recompiled the kernel for my n800 to have ipv6 support which rendered my zImage file 120kbyte bigger. Will it fit? Nov 12 15:33:19 hola Nov 12 15:34:02 Also the kernel-source-rx-34-2.6.18 source package has no extraversions while the stock kernel does. (-omap1) Will my new kernel work with the older modules? Nov 12 16:09:08 josephus: you really should compile using the maemo kernel source Nov 12 16:09:29 That is the maemo kernel source .. Nov 12 16:09:29 and maybe you could compile the ipv6 as module, if the kernel is too big? Nov 12 16:09:45 That would certainly be a good option. Nov 12 16:09:48 what class minisdhc to buy? class 4, class 6? (mB/s)? Nov 12 16:09:59 class 6 is ~6M Nov 12 16:10:03 4 ~4M Nov 12 16:10:12 I think .. Nov 12 16:10:32 I was researching them last night. Nov 12 16:10:33 can N810 make use of 6M? Nov 12 16:10:40 ebuyer.com was the best purchase for me I think. Nov 12 16:10:50 Don't know. Nov 12 16:10:59 I went with a class 4 Nov 12 16:11:02 wow i even see 'class 2' Nov 12 16:11:06 >_, Nov 12 16:11:09 Hi there - got accepted to the N810 program Nov 12 16:11:15 MagicFab, congrats. Nov 12 16:11:20 see http://www.fabianrodriguez.com/blog/archives/2007/11/12/joining-the-nokia-n810-maemo-device-program/ for what it' s worth Nov 12 16:12:07 my focus will be on usability, particulary in regards to Ubuntu and free+open video/audio plus bug reporting and docs around that Nov 12 16:13:55 MagicFab: since you're in montreal, check out Cafe Ferreira Nov 12 16:14:08 * alterego contemplates going to Canada Nov 12 16:14:13 Free open wireless networks .. Nov 12 16:14:17 Lucky punk :P Nov 12 16:14:53 do cities provide these? or is there just a culture of private people having open wlans? Nov 12 16:15:44 * alterego anticipates an N810 by next wednesday. Nov 12 16:16:31 Now, to find some kind of sleek hardcase. Nov 12 16:16:35 I suppose I could make one. Nov 12 16:17:34 interesting: http://pimlico-project.org/ Nov 12 16:17:55 its a PIM suite for portable linux devices, and they mention maemo on the front page Nov 12 16:17:58 not all canadian cities have good wifi networks. some have corporate-managed networks, some have community-managed. Montreal has a community network Nov 12 16:18:28 I haven't tested SIP on the wifi network yet though Nov 12 16:19:16 They even have screenshots .. Nov 12 16:19:46 TPC wow there's a maemo version too - have you tried pimlico yet? Nov 12 16:20:00 no Nov 12 16:20:05 but I'm going to Nov 12 16:20:15 altought not tonight Nov 12 16:20:28 a friend recommended it, he has used it on his zaurus Nov 12 16:20:36 They have debs too. Nov 12 16:20:45 * alterego installz Nov 12 16:22:10 3.1M for a task manager seems somewhat excessive. Nov 12 16:23:21 I wonder if it can import iCal or vCal Nov 12 16:27:17 <||cw> gpe-calendar can Nov 12 16:29:55 pupnik: I've got a SanDisk 6M MicroSD card on the way. Nov 12 16:30:01 I didn't really like the GPE suite,. Nov 12 16:30:14 Not very refined. Nov 12 16:30:19 kulve: i don't want to insmod modules manually Nov 12 16:30:33 I agree, GPE was a bit strange Nov 12 16:30:48 <||cw> I had a script that would sync google calendars into gpe, can't seem to find it though Nov 12 16:30:50 Jaffa: jaa Nov 12 16:30:50 i can only find a kingston 6M 4GB here - 37 euro Nov 12 16:31:04 josephus, add it to a bootscript. Nov 12 16:31:16 Jaffa: where did you buy it? Nov 12 16:31:17