**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Nov 21 02:59:56 2007 Nov 21 03:01:57 n800 gives you more storage than n810. So it's really the better deal right now. Nov 21 03:20:09 grrrr, mail client is annoying me Nov 21 03:33:42 has maemo.org been really slow the last few days? Nov 21 03:35:08 yes Nov 21 03:35:22 new version of claws mail out doc|home Nov 21 03:36:16 installing it now :) Nov 21 03:48:16 anyone here do and dev/hacking on the pimlico apps? Nov 21 03:48:24 err s/and/any/ Nov 21 03:49:18 is there a way to remove the contacts icon from the menu? Nov 21 04:03:14 hi niteOwl not me but that's definitly important stufff Nov 21 04:04:34 * pupnik bounces across room Nov 21 04:09:09 badger badger mushhrrooommmmm http://pupnik.de/pupnik_woods_mushroom.jpg Nov 21 04:11:35 pupnik: I'm poking around it a bit, trying to get my feet under me - first step building dates. Nov 21 04:12:14 pupnik: nice looking mushroom Nov 21 04:12:39 :) Nov 21 04:30:13 where do i get libsdl-ttf and libreadline? Nov 21 04:32:03 repositories? Nov 21 04:32:03 <_Monkey> repositories is http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php Nov 21 04:32:18 search gronmayer, then add the repository to your application manager Nov 21 04:32:26 or add the line manually to /etc/apt/sources.list Nov 21 04:32:30 (the debian way) Nov 21 04:37:45 thanks Nov 21 04:38:07 x-chat on n800 ftw :) Nov 21 04:38:28 Does anybody in here know what the hildon development channel is? Nov 21 04:44:09 ToddBrandt: this is the only maemo/hildon channel I know Nov 21 04:44:57 k Nov 21 04:53:41 Re: N810 first impressions: "I took it for a drive on the bike. Wow. What a difference from the 800. No issues seeing the screen at all. " Nov 21 04:54:15 pimlico dates - built :-), dbus started, but it complains that it is unable to determine the address of the message bus. dbus-monitor shows sure enough it is using a null destination - ideas on this are welcome...meanwhile I will keep at it. Nov 21 04:57:23 pupnik: 'the police however were much less impressed' Nov 21 05:03:49 doc|home: Found the answer - you have to delete them from the application manager. Nov 21 05:04:15 hmmm, ok, thanks Nov 21 05:04:17 Tapped on the greyed out delete button out of frustration and it told me that :-). Nov 21 05:04:33 K`zan: gotten sip working at all? I can't see ekiga Nov 21 05:05:01 doc|home: I'm using gismo, that worked perfectly for the one call I made :-). Nov 21 05:05:06 gizmo Nov 21 05:05:34 hmmm, I can't find a repo for that Nov 21 05:06:55 http://gizmoproject.com/ Nov 21 05:07:21 Pick install and scroll down for n800 / n810 / n770 versions. Nov 21 05:08:01 http://gizmoproject.com/download.php Nov 21 05:08:10 :-) Nov 21 05:10:31 sweet, thanks Nov 21 05:11:07 Glad to help, enjoy! Nov 21 05:12:44 you have to register with them, even if you use 3rd party sip servers Nov 21 05:12:50 :/ Nov 21 05:13:13 Dunno, not an issue here :). Nov 21 05:15:17 http://youtube.com/watch?v=dywlV40L3rA scrolling and resizing widgets looks dog-slow on this. Not that this is really important, but it doesn't give viewers the idea that the device has good performance. Suggest Nokia invest some programmer-hours into this, and OpenGL based window system. Nov 21 05:15:37 i need to find a sip gateway provider for cheap/free Nov 21 05:15:50 Does such a thing exist? Nov 21 05:15:56 pupnik_, ekiga.org Nov 21 05:16:10 Cheap, well, free, dunno... Nov 21 05:16:15 checking. Nov 21 05:16:38 free :) Nov 21 05:16:42 i think i need to contact my isp/telco about this and threaten a s... Nov 21 05:16:47 dialing to landlines free? Nov 21 05:17:04 Gotta subscribe there too... Nov 21 05:17:35 pupnik_, ah... you didn't day *that* Nov 21 05:17:43 *say Nov 21 05:18:32 there was a service that did 1-minute free calls. I'd like to uh... make a lot of calls to Iowa ;) Nov 21 05:19:17 hah Nov 21 05:19:19 ty for the link tho Nov 21 05:19:23 np Nov 21 05:40:24 found one, rtcomm Nov 21 05:40:43 integrates with os2007, not sure how stable it is though Nov 21 05:45:17 i haven't tried this stuff yet Nov 21 06:01:53 [06:40] integrates with os2007, not sure how stable it is though Nov 21 06:01:59 it's ok for me Nov 21 06:02:27 the real problem is the lack of support to bluetooth headset Nov 21 06:04:57 someone has installed os2008 in a n800? Nov 21 06:05:26 it enters in a reboot loop, and i'm no sure what i must do Nov 21 06:09:56 hi, do you know what is the root password for openssh on n810? Nov 21 06:11:25 oil_: rootme? Nov 21 06:11:25 <_Monkey> rootme is the default pw? Nov 21 06:11:37 rootme nor maemo works Nov 21 06:12:06 also username: maemo, passowrd: maemo does not work Nov 21 06:22:37 how log does it take the n800 to charge? Nov 21 06:25:55 doc|home, 4 to 5 hours or so Nov 21 06:27:56 sxpert: thanks Nov 21 06:31:39 5 days, i think Nov 21 06:31:50 LOL Nov 21 06:32:05 My cell phone crank emergency charger will charge the n800 :). Nov 21 06:32:31 That could be a LONG job :-). Nov 21 06:37:21 heh Nov 21 06:40:46 i'm lookin at portable solar charger, hopefully i'll have my bike fixed up and n810 for a road trip to strasbourg on the tea party day, dec 16 - weather accomodating Nov 21 06:41:11 brand new n810 + bike + icy roads -- uhh nope. Nov 21 06:41:22 Wise :-)! Nov 21 06:42:09 Discretion is the better part of not having to replace everything :). Nov 21 06:45:35 is the N810 d-pad 8-way? Nov 21 06:48:02 I think I need a game to test that premise on :-). Nov 21 06:51:08 does the latest canola still support the 770? Nov 21 07:03:27 bye Nov 21 07:10:49 Night all (here :-). Nov 21 08:02:38 Good morning Nov 21 08:04:41 hallihallo Nov 21 08:04:42 iam right about to downgrade my n800 from os2008 to os2007 Nov 21 08:04:53 * pupnik_ puts on coffee and morning exercise tape Nov 21 08:05:41 think i'm gonna use the 770 for os2006 and os2007 testing and 810 for os2008 Nov 21 08:05:42 does sshfs need like a sshfs server? Nov 21 08:05:59 sshfs? Nov 21 08:06:00 <_Monkey> sshfs is, like, enough for mgedmin_'s needs Nov 21 08:06:14 darn, if anyone finds a wiki or something to teach monkey pls do Nov 21 08:06:41 or is that done trough ssh? i.e. if i install ssh on my mac should i be able to connect to the device Nov 21 08:06:47 with openssh on it Nov 21 08:06:58 or am i missing s sshfs server? Nov 21 08:07:11 install sshfs* on my mac Nov 21 08:07:50 i see afuseport thing on the wiki Nov 21 08:08:20 not sure if thts what i want Nov 21 08:09:27 i think you need fuse to bind the filesystem in userspace Nov 21 08:10:45 that means i have to istall fuse on the device? Nov 21 08:12:07 mariorz, do you want to mount at host or at n800 Nov 21 08:12:24 hmm good quesiton Nov 21 08:12:28 i imagine host add Nov 21 08:12:40 err host at Nov 21 08:12:57 and its n770 but with os2007 Nov 21 08:13:02 i use to mount folders from my n800 on the host side. therefore i installed sshfs on the ubuntu pc Nov 21 08:13:28 the new browser in os2008 annoyes me Nov 21 08:13:33 ok right so you mount the file system on the device from your desktop? thats what i want Nov 21 08:13:58 what do you need to install on the device for that just upenssh? Nov 21 08:14:03 you only need ssh server on the device and fuse+sshfs on the host Nov 21 08:14:29 oks, seems to be not working but maybe an issue with macfuse then Nov 21 08:14:33 thanks Nov 21 08:14:52 just installed that as well Nov 21 08:15:08 ubuntu can run on mac hardware very well :-P Nov 21 08:15:45 haha actually this will be running ubuntu as long as i gets me hands on a new laptop that can run jaguar :P Nov 21 08:16:08 s/long/soon Nov 21 08:16:26 sidux is the penguin that ate new york Nov 21 08:17:45 mornin Nov 21 08:24:26 so the desktop applets can only be written in c? Nov 21 08:26:00 what rez movies will the media player play? I'm getting resolution not supporte Nov 21 08:26:02 +d Nov 21 08:26:58 mplayer? Nov 21 08:26:59 <_Monkey> i heard mplayer was a high-performance video player for the tablet OS: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/mplayer Nov 21 08:27:11 770-encode? Nov 21 08:27:12 <_Monkey> i guess 770-encode is now known at tablet-encode and can be found at http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org/ Nov 21 08:27:48 doc|home: transcode to <=400 wide and <=240 high, use a good codec - then play with mplayer Nov 21 08:28:14 wow, that's pretty crap :) thanks Nov 21 08:29:25 high definition video is too cpu hungry - remember divx video used to take around a 500mhz pentium to play smoothly Nov 21 08:29:46 now some of it can be offloaded onto gpu, but still Nov 21 08:30:40 yeah :/ Nov 21 08:30:43 I use the 770 mediaConverter for converting videos for my n800 Nov 21 08:30:58 pretty java gui, drag and drop Nov 21 08:31:04 needs mplayer Nov 21 08:31:19 of ffmpeg i dont recall Nov 21 08:37:14 mencoder Nov 21 08:43:46 does anyone know if this is for os2007? http://blogs.gnome.org/lucasr/2007/03/22/writing-a-hello-world-python-plugin-for-hildon-desktop/ Nov 21 08:44:18 or is the plugin rewrite for os2008? Nov 21 08:44:20 uff Nov 21 08:44:29 unable to install/use mediaserv :( Nov 21 08:45:13 mariorz, the article is from march Nov 21 08:46:28 astro76: i saw that but it also says that that version of hildon-desktop is not availabe for n800! Nov 21 08:46:57 err on the next one http://blogs.gnome.org/lucasr/2007/03/29/writing-a-cool-python-plugin-for-hildon-desktop/ sidenotes Nov 21 08:47:01 gtk_separator_tool_item_set_draw seems to have no effect on hildon Nov 21 08:47:11 is it a feature? Nov 21 08:47:18 mariorz, could be, it's an upstream gnome project Nov 21 08:47:55 has anyone written python desktop applets for os2007? Nov 21 08:53:12 has anyone written python desktop applets for os2007? Nov 21 08:53:16 not possible yet Nov 21 08:53:21 sniff :( Nov 21 08:53:30 binding isn't finished ! Nov 21 08:53:51 i see Nov 21 08:53:57 https://garage.maemo.org/svn/browser/extensions/maemo-google-gears/trunk/gears/README.Maemo Nov 21 08:54:07 :( indeed Nov 21 08:54:24 mariorz: and binding isn't finished on chinook too ...L Nov 21 08:54:29 I'd kill for some binaries of that, it would allow me to use my todo list offline. Nov 21 08:55:58 khertan: i just saw some screencast of it working on chinook i think Nov 21 08:56:20 not sude about the code names but it was working on hildon Nov 21 08:56:29 hte ones i posted up Nov 21 08:56:49 has anyone written Ruby desktop applets yet? Nov 21 08:57:20 i think only c for the desktop applets in os2007 Nov 21 08:58:47 pupnik_: tablet-encode did it perfectly, thanks :) Nov 21 08:59:06 pupnik_: I'll be watching money as debt on my way to work in the morning :) Nov 21 08:59:41 watch sicp! Nov 21 09:00:55 wicp? Nov 21 09:00:59 er, sicp? Nov 21 09:01:22 http://swiss.csail.mit.edu/classes/6.001/abelson-sussman-lectures/ Nov 21 09:01:39 funky, I may just do that the day after :) thanks Nov 21 09:02:12 lol yeah im gonna take them to class and ignore real life teachers will watching that Nov 21 09:02:16 hahaha Nov 21 09:03:34 hahaha i have the purple book mariorz Nov 21 09:04:03 cool im gonna print it tommorro :D Nov 21 09:04:47 i had the misfortune of teaching myself to program in BASIC and learning Pascal before taking that course at university Nov 21 09:04:51 so i was kind of ruined Nov 21 09:05:10 brain... must..rearrange..assumptions Nov 21 09:05:12 i tought myself php so i guess were kind of on the same boar :S Nov 21 09:05:23 im recovering Nov 21 09:05:33 boat Nov 21 09:05:45 boar works too Nov 21 09:05:51 ofc Nov 21 09:06:01 hehe Nov 21 09:08:21 hrm Nov 21 09:08:27 planet.maemo is still borked? Nov 21 09:11:02 Morning, all Nov 21 09:11:16 L0cutus: need a hand with mediaserv? Nov 21 09:11:32 thanks mariorz Nov 21 09:11:54 what about 0S2008? Other languages? Nov 21 09:12:43 Spakman: no idea, sorry Nov 21 09:12:43 sicp rules Nov 21 09:13:38 oh they have videos? Nov 21 09:13:43 Spakman: apparantly you cna use python for the applets i os2008 Nov 21 09:14:02 Spakman: http://blogs.gnome.org/lucasr/2007/03/22/writing-a-hello-world-python-plugin-for-hildon-desktop/ Nov 21 09:14:26 tsavola: yeah torrents are freaking fast Nov 21 09:15:19 Jaffa: thanks, but the problem is with perl rather than with mediaserv unfortunately... Nov 21 09:15:45 ta mariorz Nov 21 09:16:09 Jaffa: have you fixed your google maps address? Nov 21 09:16:10 seems some deps are not met Nov 21 09:16:39 mariorz: i already read the book, is the movie worth watching? :) Nov 21 09:16:56 although i did see a finnish version of the play Nov 21 09:17:17 hahaha Nov 21 09:18:14 theyre videos from calss lectures at hp or someplace Nov 21 09:25:34 timelyx: Planet has been refreshed.. Nov 21 09:27:41 khertan: i just saw some screencast of it working on chinook i think Nov 21 09:27:51 mariorz: it s on chinook Nov 21 09:28:05 mariorz: but with a dev version of the binding Nov 21 09:28:20 and this version of binding seems to be not available anywhere Nov 21 09:28:44 lucasr from blogs.gnome.org is the developper of this binding Nov 21 09:29:14 i see Nov 21 09:29:41 Hi guys :) Nov 21 09:29:43 then again im ona 770 so had already given up on the dessktop applet, ill just write an app Nov 21 09:30:07 but i m really interested by doing my own home applet in python :) Nov 21 09:30:28 that would rock indeed Nov 21 09:31:07 hi rothiel Nov 21 09:31:21 khertan: youre working on that? Nov 21 09:48:59 morning Nov 21 09:49:00 <_Monkey> aloha Nov 21 09:52:09 czr: ping Nov 21 09:52:13 what did you want me to poke? Nov 21 09:52:16 pong timeless Nov 21 09:52:18 oh, i know Nov 21 09:52:21 * timeless goes hunting Nov 21 09:52:30 btw, is it not ok to just consider flash sizes? Nov 21 09:52:32 that's public :) Nov 21 09:53:06 timeless, well. kind of, and yes, I know the problem :-) Nov 21 09:53:32 if you're too scared to throw me a ballbark figure for the N810, I'll just wait what will happen when the proper review finishes ;-) Nov 21 09:53:37 that way your hands stay clean ;-) Nov 21 09:55:03 bon dia / good morning Nov 21 09:55:11 hey AD-N770 Nov 21 09:55:14 oh, it's no problem Nov 21 09:55:16 i have qa :) Nov 21 09:55:21 they'll get me a table :) Nov 21 09:55:31 :-) Nov 21 09:59:35 anyway, you also complained about something else Nov 21 09:59:37 * timeless goes to find it Nov 21 09:59:45 * timeless asks bugs.maemo :) Nov 21 09:59:53 timeless, yup. the tech specs page Nov 21 10:00:20 this is cool Nov 21 10:00:22 and I only filed a bug because you were too lazy to send yourself an email! :-) Nov 21 10:00:31 people actually know how to use that product Nov 21 10:00:38 there are 2 bugs there touched in the past 1 day :) Nov 21 10:00:43 heh Nov 21 10:00:45 i.e., not just yours :) Nov 21 10:00:50 eh? Nov 21 10:00:53 let me check the bug num. Nov 21 10:00:59 oh, i found yours Nov 21 10:01:10 hmm. what happened to it? Nov 21 10:01:10 but try query:product=product,changedin=1d Nov 21 10:01:18 it's unco Nov 21 10:01:22 "my bugs" won't find uncos Nov 21 10:01:26 ah Nov 21 10:01:36 I always file them uncorfimed first Nov 21 10:01:39 should I change? Nov 21 10:01:43 is there something wrong with me? Nov 21 10:01:47 * czr goes soul searching Nov 21 10:01:50 no, but you should save a query that includes unco ;) Nov 21 10:02:06 I use 'active' for that :-) Nov 21 10:02:17 not 'my bugs' Nov 21 10:02:44 * timeless tries to remember who to bug Nov 21 10:02:50 although I didn't add that to active. it was too trivial Nov 21 10:03:41 ok, bug forwarded Nov 21 10:03:51 i wonder if the people i sent it to use bugs.maemo Nov 21 10:03:55 if they do, i could cc them :) Nov 21 10:04:00 * czr shrugs Nov 21 10:04:08 nope, they don't :( Nov 21 10:04:25 I should get a t-shirt that reads "yes, I'm the guy who bugs you all the time on bugs.maemo". Then I could wear that whenever I'm over at ruoholahti. Nov 21 10:04:52 although I have the distinct feeling that people eye me with an evil eye as it is Nov 21 10:06:34 heh Nov 21 10:06:45 ok, i'm off to haunt some people Nov 21 10:07:54 elb, the same bug actually affects any program that uses LibOSSO too :-) Nov 21 10:08:11 elb, since libosso will try to open a connection to the session bus as soon as osso_initialize is used. Nov 21 10:08:20 so, all libosso programs will core. Nov 21 10:13:00 i like the t-shirt "I read your email" Nov 21 10:13:48 I had the bumper sticker on my old laptop Nov 21 10:14:02 oddly enough, only one course participant ever chuckled because of it Nov 21 10:14:14 maybe the rest assumed that I really read their email /me shugs Nov 21 10:14:35 I wore a 'hacking for jesus' t-shirt to rehearsals of Handel's messiah and got some strange questions about it Nov 21 10:14:41 heh Nov 21 10:16:56 http://www.phonelosers.org/images/order_shirt_lod_iwt03.jpg Nov 21 10:17:25 hmm. I caused the bash of sbox to segfault Nov 21 10:17:37 or rather, /scratchbox/login Nov 21 10:17:38 been there done that Nov 21 10:17:43 in X86? Nov 21 10:17:54 it wasn't my sbox :) Nov 21 10:18:19 * czr itches to write "If your Scratchbox will break at this point, don't worry, it's quite normal." Nov 21 10:18:28 heh Nov 21 10:18:34 s/will break/breaks/ :( Nov 21 10:18:48 true :-) Nov 21 10:19:02 /bin/true crashed, it's a symlink to scrathbox :) Nov 21 10:19:15 heh Nov 21 10:19:36 but seriously, i don't remember what i did to crash it Nov 21 10:19:58 I used dbus-send. Nov 21 10:20:06 * timeless goes back to haunting Nov 21 10:43:19 HI Nov 21 10:43:20 <_Monkey> hello, sujan Nov 21 10:44:18 do you know, in nokia N800 how can I give write permission to a read only file Nov 21 10:44:38 chmod +w filename Nov 21 10:44:57 you might be able to click and hold the stylus and get properties? Nov 21 10:45:22 how? Nov 21 10:45:41 woot got sshfs working Nov 21 10:45:49 do the first one in a terminal, try the second in filemanager Nov 21 10:45:59 either/or Nov 21 10:47:10 in file manager where is /usr/bin Nov 21 10:47:25 you can't access it from filemanager Nov 21 10:47:25 ? Nov 21 10:47:34 why do you want to write to a file in /usr/bin? Nov 21 10:47:41 script? Nov 21 10:48:03 no, just a simple text file Nov 21 10:48:46 containing a integer value... Nov 21 10:49:25 and it's in /usr/bin? Nov 21 10:51:47 sujan, /usr/bin is not meant to store data. man hier please. Nov 21 10:52:17 sujan, if you want to store data so that the file manager can access it, the correct place will be /home/user/MyDocs (or just ~/MyDocs if using the shell) Nov 21 10:53:00 hi, on my 770 i can put only 50 MB data on memory card, is it normal? (i have 1gb kingston card) Nov 21 10:53:02 with that said, if it's already there, you need to use the terminal to change the properties (but presumably you are already using vi to edit it) Nov 21 10:55:49 can i write any file in /home/user/MyDocs? Nov 21 10:58:59 yes Nov 21 10:59:16 as long as the permissions are correct Nov 21 11:00:15 is there any gpe-sudoku user there? Nov 21 11:00:40 i would need some hint on which icon to use for the "guess" mode Nov 21 11:01:52 actually the problem is i have installed a application which executable is in /usr/bin and this executable will read a integer value from file Nov 21 11:04:08 ok, you can put the file anywhere Nov 21 11:04:25 but not usually in /usr/bin Nov 21 11:05:31 sujan: is it just reading the value? Should the user be able to change it? Nov 21 11:05:44 If the answer to both is "no", it should probably go in /usr/share// Nov 21 11:05:44 <_Monkey> Hmm. No matches for that, Jaffa. Nov 21 11:05:50 yes,user will change it Nov 21 11:05:53 _Monkey: shut up Nov 21 11:05:54 <_Monkey> Jaffa: i'm not following you... Nov 21 11:06:10 sujan: what does the app do with the number? Nov 21 11:06:57 personally I'd create this text file in ~/ Nov 21 11:07:17 then you can quickly open the terminal and edit it with vi without needing to cd anywhere Nov 21 11:09:04 read the number and draw an image with that scaling factor Nov 21 11:12:24 as I said, stick the text file in you home directory ~/ ( = /home/user/) Nov 21 11:14:05 * Jaffa agrees, either called .app or in a .app directory in /home/user Nov 21 11:14:58 oh my god, read this: http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/11/19/493 Nov 21 11:23:00 hmm, good to see a Firefox 3 beta is out and MAndriva have yet to make Firefox 2 available for me to install Nov 21 12:07:21 ukmp? Nov 21 12:07:22 <_Monkey> hmmm... ukmp is a Media Player, available for download at http://maemo.org/downloads/product/ukmp Nov 21 12:07:30 who works on ukmp? Nov 21 12:07:42 timeless: konttori. Nov 21 12:07:43 <_Monkey> konttori are you still working on UKMP? Nov 21 12:07:57 timeless: Works for Nokia too. Nov 21 12:08:13 !seen konttori Nov 21 12:08:18 _monkey seen konttori Nov 21 12:08:18 <_Monkey> konttori was last seen on #maemo 1 days, 13 hours, 39 minutes and 3 seconds ago, saying: damn, is it true that os2008 version of python 2.5 doesn't have glade? [Mon Nov 19 22:29:15 2007] Nov 21 12:08:40 it doesn't install for me on 2008... Nov 21 12:09:17 repositories? Nov 21 12:09:17 <_Monkey> hmmm... repositories is http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php Nov 21 12:13:28 any idea where i can get libgdbm3? Nov 21 12:15:06 sdk repository Nov 21 12:15:07 <_Monkey> somebody said sdk repository was not meant for upgrading Nov 21 12:15:23 It should be uploaded to extras.. Nov 21 12:15:36 maemo-mapper depends on it too. Nov 21 12:17:54 can I upgrade my 770 to the latest OS 2006 under linux? Nov 21 12:19:19 yes Nov 21 12:19:41 how? Nov 21 12:20:16 http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_flashlatestnokiaimagewithlinux/ Nov 21 12:21:34 ok i will try it now, thanks Nov 21 12:39:01 hi all Nov 21 12:49:44 Can we have our daily "I want my N810" moan yet? Nov 21 12:51:17 I want my N810~ Nov 21 12:51:20 Happy now? Nov 21 12:53:12 Much. Don't need a new toy now :) Nov 21 12:54:35 I still do though! Nov 21 12:55:22 you're not missing anything - FF3b1 went nuts on me yesterday and ate all my ram Nov 21 12:55:29 * lardman feels better now Nov 21 12:55:47 FF3b1? Nov 21 12:55:55 Come on _Monkey! Nov 21 12:56:33 FF3b1 is Firefox3 beta1 Nov 21 12:57:00 ah, well I've still got v1.x Nov 21 12:57:03 zs: why not 2007he? Nov 21 13:09:58 Tak: i will try it later, now i have a problem with my 770, i can transfer only 50MB, if more transfer slown down to 0 kbps Nov 21 13:10:50 how are you transferring? Nov 21 13:11:09 via usb cable Nov 21 13:13:23 hmm - does it eventually start up again? Nov 21 13:13:36 i have tried with 2 memory cards and problem is the same Nov 21 13:14:04 no it doesn't, if i unplug device there is no file on memory card Nov 21 13:14:21 heh - are you unmounting it before you're unplugging it? Nov 21 13:14:49 no Nov 21 13:15:08 then it won't show up for sure Nov 21 13:18:05 what i am doing is, i copy some files, if i put less than 50 MB on memory files i can use them, but if i put more data than 50 MB there are only few files Nov 21 13:18:38 i can only put 50 MB on my 1GB card Nov 21 13:18:42 :/ Nov 21 13:25:26 try fsck'ing the card Nov 21 13:26:29 i have got this same problem with other card Nov 21 13:27:44 hmm - I used to have problems with copies failing if I tried to dump data to the card too fast over usb, but those wouldn't hang, they'd just fail Nov 21 13:30:39 zs: what machine is this? Nov 21 13:30:55 770 Nov 21 13:31:26 I wonder if it suffers from the same problem the n800 did - and that the last FIASCO image was released for? Nov 21 13:37:22 guys i have problems installing python2.5-runtime on os2008 Nov 21 13:37:29 is it a known issue? Nov 21 13:37:50 lardman: the sd card thing, or the wifi driver thing? Nov 21 13:39:02 bedboi: Add the sdk repository.. Nov 21 13:39:15 sdk? Nov 21 13:39:16 <_Monkey> i guess sdk is not complete yet, anyway Nov 21 13:39:23 stupid monkey Nov 21 13:42:38 X-Fade: you mean: deb http://repository.maemo.org/ chinook free non-free Nov 21 13:43:48 X-Fade: thanks, it's working Nov 21 13:43:54 Tak: SD card thing Nov 21 13:45:32 * alterego yawns Nov 21 13:45:43 It's being one of those loooong days Nov 21 13:48:28 lol Nov 21 13:49:50 alterego, hey ruby-fella Nov 21 13:49:58 * czr prepares the windows for alterego Nov 21 13:50:34 :P Nov 21 13:50:46 Unfortunately I have to complete this work. Nov 21 13:50:52 Otherwise I don't get any money :P Nov 21 13:51:16 Hi! Nov 21 13:51:26 alterego, me too! Nov 21 13:51:40 ;) Nov 21 13:51:41 although I might not get any money anyway, but who cares.. Nov 21 13:51:46 Hah Nov 21 13:51:48 That sucks. Nov 21 13:51:49 i'm tring to create a package for chinook Nov 21 13:52:03 GNUton: good for you Nov 21 13:52:05 :P Nov 21 13:52:33 but i need flex and libglu1-mesa-dev packages... Nov 21 13:53:36 mesa on n810? ouch Nov 21 13:54:17 truls: i'm new.. and i don't have a tablet yet.. so i don't know the hardware yet! Nov 21 13:54:35 yet yet! :/ Nov 21 13:54:42 yup yup Nov 21 13:54:45 there is no usable 3d hardware Nov 21 13:54:49 I think it's almost time for me to take a break. Nov 21 13:55:46 alterego, me too. I'm thinking food actually Nov 21 13:56:14 Yeah, might finish that spag bol from last night. Nov 21 13:56:51 truls: thank you! Nov 21 14:01:08 GNUton: anytime Nov 21 14:02:16 anyone is using mediaserv + videocenter ? Nov 21 14:02:29 i need to know how to add mi server to videocenter Nov 21 14:11:31 truls: :) Nov 21 14:12:42 L0cutus: 'lo Nov 21 14:12:51 lol Nov 21 14:13:19 good to know :) Nov 21 14:13:27 czr: hmmm, that's unfortunate Nov 21 14:13:31 L0cutus: if nothing else, you can tap & hold on the RSS icon in the folder view in mediaserv, select "Copy link location" and paste that into mediaserv. See the demo video on http://mediaserv.garage.maemo.org/mediaserv.html which does exactly that Nov 21 14:13:35 elb, yup Nov 21 14:13:48 elb, esp since the error missage is somewhat misleading Nov 21 14:13:51 ha, ok, thanks, i try :) Nov 21 14:14:02 L0cutus: alternatively, you *should* just be able to tap on the video center icon alongside the RSS one and it'll do it all automagically. Nov 21 14:15:16 * czr -> food Nov 21 14:17:15 i've try the second one Nov 21 14:17:40 videocenter is now open and it is adding the source Nov 21 14:19:42 is there a way let maemo framework aware of USB network connection? Nov 21 14:20:11 the problem is that when you set up a USB network connection i just can use internet from the commandline Nov 21 14:40:01 Jaffa: videocenter rss are buggy :) Nov 21 14:52:17 <_berto_> dudes, vagalume 0.3 is out -> http://blogs.igalia.com/berto/2007/11/21/vagalume-03-now-with-some-images-too/ Nov 21 14:52:20 <_berto_> :) Nov 21 14:54:00 L0cutus: define "buggy" (and check the README for known problems) Nov 21 14:55:54 _berto_: Now with icon too ;) Nov 21 14:56:00 <_berto_> :) Nov 21 14:56:23 <_berto_> yes, all the UI stuff was done in these last two days Nov 21 14:56:28 <_berto_> so it'll probably change Nov 21 14:56:31 <_berto_> but at least we have something Nov 21 14:56:41 Yeah, nice to see album art too. Nov 21 14:56:55 And easy access to love and ban. Nov 21 15:00:10 _berto_: I'll test it in few minutes!!! :) Nov 21 15:00:17 <_berto_> thanks! :) Nov 21 15:00:32 <_berto_> if someone tests it in the 770 I'd appreciate feedback Nov 21 15:00:59 <_berto_> (it should work too but I haven't tested it) Nov 21 15:01:36 I've N770 but I use 2007 HE :\ Nov 21 15:01:50 * alterego yawns Nov 21 15:01:57 <_berto_> so you use the bora version, don't you? Nov 21 15:02:19 yes, I use the same N800 version Nov 21 15:02:35 _berto_: i can test with 2006 like always Nov 21 15:02:40 p.s: congratulation for the improvements :) I'm looking at the screenshots! Nov 21 15:02:47 looks nice btw Nov 21 15:03:32 <_berto_> :) Nov 21 15:03:32 <_berto_> thanks Nov 21 15:03:42 <_berto_> let's hope it doesn't break Nov 21 15:04:18 <_berto_> I changed several things in the gstreamer part, but it seems stable Nov 21 15:05:40 Jaffa: videocenter show only 13 video out of about 50 files Nov 21 15:06:47 and show also some files that are on subdirs not only on the root dir Nov 21 15:07:08 (dunno if this is correct) Nov 21 15:11:05 _berto_: no images on buttons Nov 21 15:11:47 <_berto_> solmumaha: no ?? Nov 21 15:12:11 it works normally Nov 21 15:12:35 i don't see images Nov 21 15:12:36 <_berto_> no images? strange, can you run it from an xterm ? Nov 21 15:12:48 sure Nov 21 15:13:01 <_berto_> I'm loading them with gdkpixbufloader, maybe that version doesn't support png files ... :? Nov 21 15:13:31 ah, prolly a theme thing Nov 21 15:14:13 <_berto_> I don't think so, they're not stock buttons, I'm loading the images from files included in the package Nov 21 15:16:24 <_matthias_> are there any news out there regarding the n810 availability in europe? Nov 21 15:16:52 no Nov 21 15:16:59 <_matthias_> damn ! Nov 21 15:17:06 yep Nov 21 15:17:09 <_matthias_> will call nokia.at tomorrow Nov 21 15:17:38 _berto_: I just added the repository to catalog, so it will be easier for me to update Nov 21 15:17:49 * _matthias_ would not want fresh and crips devices lying around in some warehouse and freezing Nov 21 15:19:32 <_berto_> Andy80: there's a .install file in my page and in maemo.org/downloads :) Nov 21 15:19:58 <_berto_> http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2007/vagalume/ Nov 21 15:20:14 _berto_: just installed on os2007 HE. I can see buttons images, but it loose my settings... nothing important eh :P Nov 21 15:20:58 <_berto_> wtf, settings are stored in the same file, I haven't changed that at all Nov 21 15:21:01 <_berto_> :) Nov 21 15:21:22 _berto_: Settings don't survive a backup and restore.. Nov 21 15:21:54 _berto_: I think you need to give the system a notice to also backup your settings.. Nov 21 15:21:56 <_berto_> ah, so you upgraded from 2006 to 2007HE Nov 21 15:22:06 _berto_: I can assure you :) it loose them :) Nov 21 15:22:24 anyway it works fine! :) Nov 21 15:22:29 _berto_: http://pastebin.com/db85dde7 Nov 21 15:22:31 Does anyone know of a full screen clock maemo application? I want to be able to use my 770 (running 2006 or hacker edition) as a clock rado. Nov 21 15:23:10 <_berto_> yes, seems a theme thing, strange... Nov 21 15:23:11 joshin, I don't know of one but it'd be easy to write one :) Nov 21 15:23:32 _berto_: another very little bug: when you let mark a song as "loved" or "hated" you should disable the relative button until the next song.... I think... Nov 21 15:23:47 <_berto_> Andy80: yes, and the same with the download button Nov 21 15:24:00 <_berto_> actually you cannot ban a song twice because a ban implies a skip Nov 21 15:24:18 <_berto_> but you could love it and then ban it, in that case the love setting would have no effect Nov 21 15:24:28 <_berto_> but yeah, you're reight Nov 21 15:24:29 <_berto_> *right Nov 21 15:24:56 _berto_: Info about backup: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/Maemo_tutorial_bora.html#backup Nov 21 15:25:02 <_berto_> X-Fade: thanks Nov 21 15:25:39 _berto_: the download button is always disabled here... it's a my problem or a vagalume problem? maybe I've not the permission to download the song? Nov 21 15:25:56 <_berto_> Andy80: it only works with free tracks Nov 21 15:26:17 <_berto_> most of the tracks cannot be downloaded, but I put a couple of free tracks in my blog entry Nov 21 15:26:33 ok :) Nov 21 15:26:39 Andy80: Otherwise it would be illegal ;) Nov 21 15:27:11 <_berto_> X-Fade: I'd like to know about that, really Nov 21 15:27:23 <_berto_> is it really illegal to save a stream that you're listening to? Nov 21 15:27:36 Everything is illegal. Nov 21 15:27:42 _berto_: Rights are payed by last.fm for streaming. Nov 21 15:27:44 breathing also Nov 21 15:27:58 <_berto_> X-Fade: that's what I supposed, yeah Nov 21 15:28:11 _berto_: If people can download, you have to pay download fee. Nov 21 15:28:27 <_berto_> well, I have to work a bit now, see you later Nov 21 15:28:30 _berto_: And that requires contracts with all labels.. Nov 21 15:28:41 I've heard arguments advanced that copying things from one place in RAM to another is illegal. Nov 21 15:28:41 _berto_: I've an idea about that... I'll tell you later :) Nov 21 15:29:00 <_berto_> beware, walls have ears :) Nov 21 15:30:01 alterego: Yeah, but I figured I'd ask here first. Nov 21 15:30:26 <_berto_> Andy80: I thought about it too, but I cannot write private messages, I'll have to register my nick Nov 21 15:30:29 <_berto_> :) Nov 21 15:30:50 <_berto_> well, I'm busy now, really, see you later Nov 21 15:30:54 ok, the important you received the idea :) Nov 21 15:30:59 ok, see ya ;) Nov 21 15:33:08 can anyone tell me the purpose of docpurge? how stupid Nov 21 15:33:24 reduce size of .debs? Nov 21 15:33:57 if you delete the docs before making the deb, then you dont need docpurge? Nov 21 15:34:18 real hackers dont read docs Nov 21 15:34:20 bah Nov 21 15:34:25 they read all the docs Nov 21 15:34:57 if you delete them before hand then dpkg-buildpackage chokes Nov 21 15:35:11 Sure, but there generally aren't many docs to read O_O Nov 21 15:35:28 Surely docs are just there for padding Nov 21 15:35:43 to make your .deb look bigger and therefore like it's more important? Nov 21 15:35:47 cups sits in /usr/share/docs Nov 21 15:36:11 if I do not remove docpurge, it eats cups Nov 21 15:36:31 what the cups binaries sit in /usr/share/docs? Nov 21 15:36:39 the website Nov 21 15:36:39 <_Monkey> i think the website is back again Nov 21 15:36:48 ah right Nov 21 15:37:12 its crap I tell you Nov 21 15:37:26 if you could only hear my bad scottish accent Nov 21 15:37:59 shouldn't those files in under share anyway rather than docs Nov 21 15:38:45 docs have some meaning for packet manager Nov 21 15:38:54 usr/share/docs/cups is default, I could probably change it Nov 21 15:39:09 I had it in /usr/local but had some odd problems Nov 21 15:39:22 nokia or desktop? Nov 21 15:39:40 joshin: there's mClock - but I've not tried it (just seen screenshots) Nov 21 15:39:56 Jaffa: Thanks, just found it. Nov 21 15:40:01 finally mplayer for 2008 Nov 21 15:40:11 zoran, what? Nov 21 15:40:11 hello Nov 21 15:40:34 penguinbait, what device makes you a prob with /usr/local dir ? Nov 21 15:40:52 it is normal place to put installed apps Nov 21 15:41:10 when I compiled cups, and had its home in /usr/local on Nokia tablet, it had trouble finding all its parts Nov 21 15:41:13 it's not in $PATH on the Nokia machines though Nov 21 15:41:32 It is if you install KDE :) Nov 21 15:41:47 anyone actually installed kde on N800 ? :P Nov 21 15:41:59 I did Nov 21 15:42:01 lol, overkill methinks Nov 21 15:42:01 hehe Nov 21 15:42:09 funny :D Nov 21 15:42:18 well, we'll see what evil I'll do when n810 comes :) Nov 21 15:42:27 anyone know a os2007 program using both python and compiled C? wouldn't mind an example setup.py to look at Nov 21 15:42:32 Cant wait to get n810 in hand Nov 21 15:42:54 penguinbait: I never had a chance to play with earlier versions, so imagine me :) Nov 21 15:43:23 2008OS version is running good, with KDE PIM and Koffice Nov 21 15:43:35 Can wait to run on n810 with built in keyboard Nov 21 15:43:36 Koffice? Interesting xd Nov 21 15:43:40 is it worth having kde for jsut that? Nov 21 15:44:30 Pfft. Nov 21 15:44:31 I use Konqueror all the time, I can browse remote samba or use fish to browse linux systems Nov 21 15:44:42 hmm, just watched Canola video, it does look very nice, I wonder if it's all pre-cached? Nov 21 15:45:26 well, I also have to play with Mamona ... Enlightment DE :) Nov 21 15:45:46 I'm going to try Mamona tonight to build an image Nov 21 15:46:09 nice, poke with experiences :) Nov 21 15:46:32 mine will be bad as I'm trying to use OABI and old GCC :) Nov 21 15:46:42 :P Nov 21 15:46:58 also gotta port a CLI IM client based on telepathy :D Nov 21 15:47:02 that'll be funny :p Nov 21 15:47:11 why CLI? Nov 21 15:47:18 why not? :) Nov 21 15:47:27 is that the name? Nov 21 15:47:34 nop, name is FamaIM Nov 21 15:47:39 lardman: http://fama-im.org Nov 21 15:48:00 oh, Nokia support telepathy don't they, I've no idea what it does or what they use it for though Nov 21 15:48:17 communication :) Nov 21 15:48:37 if they supported telepathy, they would not have added the keyboard on the n810 Nov 21 15:48:40 :) Nov 21 15:48:54 all over my head, no idea what it does Nov 21 15:49:24 penguinbait: it's still not in a usable-state for everyone ... it doesnt support everyone's brain waves, so they included it as a backup Nov 21 15:49:44 lardman, just read http://fama-im.org :) Nov 21 15:49:56 ah Nov 21 15:50:00 pygi, manual looks fine enough Nov 21 15:50:22 many humans dont contain the hardware, or useable software :( Nov 21 15:50:31 zoran: :) Nov 21 15:50:50 pygi, ncurses and just like irssi Nov 21 15:51:08 zoran: not as mature as irssi, but ... :) Nov 21 15:51:09 yet another IM program Nov 21 15:51:23 lardman, not true Nov 21 15:51:29 why not? Nov 21 15:51:31 world's first and only CLI IM app based on telepathy :) Nov 21 15:52:10 :) Nov 21 15:53:15 I thought only win users like im :) Nov 21 15:54:30 have any other way of communication except mail? :P Nov 21 15:54:42 irc Nov 21 15:54:43 lardman: telepathy is the cure to "yet another IM program" syndrome Nov 21 15:54:56 lardman: people can write different UIs and backends and they can all talk to each other Nov 21 15:55:01 Robot101: well that's an admirable idea Nov 21 15:55:10 it's not an idea, it's a reality Nov 21 15:55:13 zoran: fine, remove irc as well :) Nov 21 15:55:17 concept then Nov 21 15:55:31 the UIs on the N800 can do IRC, SIP, MSN, AIM, Yahoo, whatever, when you install the appropriate backends Nov 21 15:55:45 hola Nov 21 15:55:46 <_Monkey> que tal, lopz Nov 21 15:55:52 we're gonna put some packages out for OS2008 Nov 21 15:56:04 link-local messaging too, see people on your LAN.. Nov 21 15:56:05 ah, so the inbuilt Jabber functionality could be extended to do MSN with the right backend> Nov 21 15:56:06 ? Nov 21 15:56:22 Link-local like Bonjour/iChat? Nov 21 15:56:25 right Nov 21 15:56:31 cool Nov 21 15:56:37 lardman: yes, the inbuilt functionality is based on Telepathy, so you can put in any telepathy protocol backend if you write a little configuration UI Nov 21 15:56:49 That sounds quite good then Nov 21 15:57:01 haze would probably work fine for a generic support of all that protocols :) Nov 21 15:57:36 well, salut is better than libpurple's bonjour impl Nov 21 15:57:36 Robot101, do you know if it's possible to write that UI? I've tried last w-end but i've not found headers or source of osso-accounts.. i've sent a mail to maemo-dev but no reply yet :/ Nov 21 15:58:02 sKaBoy: there are some older headers in rtcomm.garage.maemo.org repo Nov 21 15:58:11 Robot101: that's true Nov 21 15:58:21 sKaBoy: but they should be in chinook, something is screwed up Nov 21 15:58:40 I hope more binary stuff to put on top of chinook will release when OS2008 is publically released Nov 21 15:58:43 maybe... Nov 21 15:59:13 Robot101, i've not found them on chinook.. i'm waiting for the official image to see.. let's hope :) Nov 21 15:59:49 anyone else think ITT's new front page is a memory sucking waste of code? Nov 21 15:59:58 +1 Nov 21 16:00:20 If I can't go there on my tablet, its not much use to me anymore Nov 21 16:00:25 sKaBoy: what were you working on? Nov 21 16:00:37 but I use firefox on the pc so what's a little bit of extra sucked memory hey? Nov 21 16:01:07 penguinbait: true, it's not all that friendly for the tablets Nov 21 16:01:12 My pc works fine, Konq and microb on 2008 not so well Nov 21 16:01:22 Robot101, the "leaked" os2008 for n810 (installed on a n800..) and chinook rep. Compiled telepahy backend for msn w/o problems but i don't see it in the UI.. i think because i need to add the osso-accounts thing Nov 21 16:01:27 penguinbait, cannot tell since I don't load pictures :) Nov 21 16:01:43 I dont think its all the pics Nov 21 16:01:48 maybe it is Nov 21 16:01:49 sKaBoy: telepathy-butterfly or? Nov 21 16:02:17 Load in 2008 OS, then try to zoom to 120% Nov 21 16:02:24 uhm not, i tried with irc... telepathy-idle sorry :) Nov 21 16:02:25 mine chokes a bit Nov 21 16:02:57 sKaBoy: irc is a special story ... telepathy implementation must support rooms Nov 21 16:03:07 (it probably does there, but just as a notice :P) Nov 21 16:03:39 pygi, http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-developers/2007-November/012830.html Nov 21 16:03:39 idle does support rooms, yes Nov 21 16:03:53 Robot101: I meant the client :) Nov 21 16:05:58 sKaBoy: just read it, thanks ;) Nov 21 16:07:32 * fysa wants easy font settings for the browser Nov 21 16:08:21 putzing around with zoom at 120% all the time is kind of silly and looks like crap.. Opera with a minimum font of 15 and standard zoom was perfect. Nov 21 16:08:35 pygi: eh, it does support rooms. Nov 21 16:08:41 pygi: it doesn't support anonymous rooms Nov 21 16:08:54 Robot101: got it =) Nov 21 16:13:21 5Dp Nov 21 17:15:47 Be careful out there :-) - http://www.crunchgear.com/2007/11/20/wi-fi-causing-autism/ Nov 21 17:20:23 Hi Nov 21 17:20:23 <_Monkey> hey, GNUton Nov 21 17:20:51 i'm trying to compile a debian package in scratchbox, but the compilation abort with a linker error.. cannot find -lz Nov 21 17:21:23 but i've got zlib installed! Nov 21 17:21:40 but did you add link paths? Nov 21 17:21:40 hey _Monkey! :) Nov 21 17:21:45 GNUton: tru to run ldconfig Nov 21 17:21:47 don't feed the bots Nov 21 17:21:48 try* Nov 21 17:22:52 timeless: yes, i think i've added this line export LD_LIBRARY_PATH := $(QTDIR)/lib:$(LD_LIBRARY_PATH):/usr/lib/ in my rules Nov 21 17:23:05 eww, qt? Nov 21 17:23:12 timeless: yes Nov 21 17:23:19 i'm trying to compile qt4 Nov 21 17:23:38 the deb package is done.. Nov 21 17:23:39 GNUton: penguinbait is the person to whom to talk Nov 21 17:23:51 penguinbait: ping Nov 21 17:24:08 Tak: ok, thank you! :) Nov 21 17:33:04 * timeless wonders if any nokians are around Nov 21 17:35:10 anyone here speak italian/french? Nov 21 17:35:43 timeless: i'm italian! Nov 21 17:35:53 you have os2008? Nov 21 17:36:06 i'm an italian living in paris :) Nov 21 17:36:26 (os2008, or microb, doesn't really matter) Nov 21 17:36:43 you need to be running italian/french(france) locales to help Nov 21 17:37:09 * timeless busy waits Nov 21 17:37:44 timeless: Can you poke the image background scaling bug a bit? Nov 21 17:38:27 bedboi: you're not in new mexico anymore? :) Nov 21 17:39:36 GNUton: idem :) Nov 21 17:39:50 * Tak wants to move to paris Nov 21 17:42:51 where idownload the last firmware to upgrade ? (chinook?) Nov 21 17:43:23 timeless: i'm italian. Nov 21 17:45:12 this is an Italian channel ! :) Nov 21 17:45:29 L0cutus: are u italian? Nov 21 17:45:42 eheh :) Nov 21 17:46:10 si Nov 21 17:46:24 creare un canale #maemo-it? no?? :P Nov 21 17:46:43 why split the channel? Nov 21 17:46:52 i've already done it on azzurr@ :) Nov 21 17:47:08 Tak: no... :) Nov 21 17:47:29 if you start that, the nokians will create #maemo-fi and all go there and talk amongst themselves in incomprehensible troll-language Nov 21 17:47:38 hehehe Nov 21 17:47:41 ahah :) Nov 21 17:48:26 There aren't many Fins at Nokia. Nov 21 17:48:27 shackan: nope. Nov 21 17:48:29 shackan: i'm quite a globe trotter Nov 21 17:48:33 shackan: btw, i'm really eager to come back to italy. Nov 21 17:49:07 bedboi: you're kidding, right? Nov 21 17:49:08 is mamona usable ? Nov 21 17:49:23 shackan: nope. i miss the good food Nov 21 17:49:32 italy is still there just for food. Nov 21 17:49:44 bedboi: 1/2 of Italian want to go OUT of Italy.. Nov 21 17:50:02 L0cutus: I'd say even more than that Nov 21 17:50:04 i'm in that 50%, but then you miss the food Nov 21 17:50:14 yes i know :) Nov 21 17:50:19 food? Nov 21 17:50:21 <_Monkey> food is even cheaper in Japan actually ;-) Nov 21 17:50:32 * shackan shakes head in disbelief Nov 21 17:50:35 Hey Guys Nov 21 17:50:52 Just got my Apple Wireless Keyboard Nov 21 17:51:26 Has anybody else used one? Cause I'm a little confused. Nov 21 17:52:05 it's a keyboard, it (supposedly) has keys, what's to be confused from? Nov 21 17:52:21 bt keyboard doesn't work well on n800 while connected via bt phone to internet unfortunately Nov 21 17:52:37 I want one, I think Nov 21 17:52:40 what is hte last system ? i have tried to install minibro and it requeres the system updated, (chinook ? finished/usable ?) Nov 21 17:53:10 I'm not exactly sure what to do Nov 21 17:53:51 Attempting to Pair it to the N800 gives me like 2 minutes of "Pairing" then a failed message Nov 21 17:54:00 hm Nov 21 17:54:25 usually you have to indicate the wish to pair on both devices at more or less the same time Nov 21 17:54:51 and then type the same PIN on both (unless one of the devices has a hardcoded PIN) Nov 21 17:55:19 Do you know how I would tell it I want to pair on my Keyboard? Nov 21 17:55:26 Cause its quite obvious on my N800 Nov 21 17:55:49 I've never seen an Apple Wireless keyboard up close Nov 21 17:56:01 isn't there some small button on the other side, e.g.? Nov 21 17:56:29 Theres a power button, but thats it Nov 21 17:56:47 is there a manual? Nov 21 17:57:25 Yeah, it says to "follow the onscreen instructions" Nov 21 17:58:02 After inserting the CD, that is Nov 21 17:58:23 heh Nov 21 17:58:41 * mgedmin googles Nov 21 17:59:14 good morning Nov 21 17:59:24 Well .. Doesn't look like I'll be getting an N810 before this weekend then :/ Nov 21 17:59:36 * alterego starts to weep. Nov 21 17:59:53 yeah Nov 21 17:59:57 sucks Nov 21 18:00:04 this post implies that people did get the apple wireless keyboard to work with a N800: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=86612 Nov 21 18:00:11 Sucks because I'm going camping this weekend. Nov 21 18:00:20 Yeah, I know that it works Nov 21 18:00:24 Which is why I bought it Nov 21 18:00:25 The GPS would have been cool to play with. Nov 21 18:01:05 Not to mention, writing Ruby-Maemo apps on the top of a mountain sounds kind of fun. Nov 21 18:02:08 is tomboy available for maemo ? Nov 21 18:02:35 No, we have maemo mapper. Nov 21 18:02:40 It's better. Nov 21 18:06:09 how are tomboy and maemo mapper related? Nov 21 18:06:36 tomboy is a wiki-like notetaking system, maemo mapper is mapping software Nov 21 18:06:40 Syntra: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=89663&postcount=32 Nov 21 18:07:00 Oh, I thought he meant the GPS software. Nov 21 18:07:02 I will read that Nov 21 18:07:13 Tomboy .. Nov 21 18:07:20 Oh, is that the wiki like note taking program? Nov 21 18:07:32 I just said that, word for word, yes Nov 21 18:07:45 OHhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Nov 21 18:07:50 I have to press buttons on it! Nov 21 18:07:58 OK then, I think I can get it working. Nov 21 18:08:07 That might explain why I've heard of it, Nov 21 18:08:18 what GPS program did you think it was related to? Nov 21 18:08:28 What? Nov 21 18:08:33 because if you were thinking of the commercial tomtom software, maemo mapper doesn't even compare Nov 21 18:08:46 Sure it does. Nov 21 18:09:00 calculating and fetching routes before you leave does not compare to built-in mapping with on-the-fly route calculation ;-) Nov 21 18:09:00 I can't modify tomtom software. Nov 21 18:09:25 You need a computer to calculate your routes? :P Nov 21 18:09:26 no, I mean, they're not comparable as in they don't do at all the same thing Nov 21 18:09:41 The Nokia app does that stuff. Nov 21 18:09:45 I guess you don't drive in strange places, much Nov 21 18:09:52 Unfortunately after deleting it I can't reinstall it without reflashing my tablet. Nov 21 18:10:11 No, I'm just used to working out my own routes. Nov 21 18:10:12 yes, one could compare a commercial GPS unit with the Nokia GPS software, that would be reasonable Nov 21 18:10:17 mgedmin: Thanks a TON For that post! Nov 21 18:10:22 Got it working 100% now! Nov 21 18:10:34 working out your own routes in a strange city means stopping and consulting the map, or having a co-pilot Nov 21 18:11:00 at least, that level of map consultation while moving is irresponsible and dangerous, many people *do* attempt it Nov 21 18:11:28 City navigation is different I guess. Nov 21 18:11:34 I've been known to employ the "point my vehicle in approximately the right direction until I'm close" method of navigation, but it is fraught with its own perils Nov 21 18:12:12 Meh, taxi drivers are better for city navigation :P Nov 21 18:12:22 sure, if you're on the highway with exits coming no more rapidly than every few minutes and a destination that's a thousand miles away, calculating your own routes is trivial! Nov 21 18:12:33 elb: the worst time I ever had /with/ a GPS was when it took me into the centre of london and started crashing whenever I did and/or it thought I'd deviated from the route, and OOM'd when it was trying to calculate a new one Nov 21 18:12:45 go Series 60 map software :( Nov 21 18:12:46 Robot101: hah nice Nov 21 18:13:17 and when you have 5 lane roads and you're in the wrong lane, and then it crashes and you're going a totally different way, you're screwed Nov 21 18:13:30 I had to drive off into random side streets and reload the program Nov 21 18:13:34 totally lame Nov 21 18:13:44 anyway, the point is, comparing maemo mapper to a commercial gps unit's navigation software is disingenuous Nov 21 18:14:18 and comparing it to a note-taking package is nonsensical ;-) Nov 21 18:14:40 Oh, so you had a point. Nov 21 18:14:54 I made it earlier, and you pooh-poohed it Nov 21 18:15:05 (six minutes ago) Nov 21 18:15:09 I think the point is. I made the mistake of thinking that tomboy was GPS software. Nov 21 18:15:27 I'd completely forgot it, I played with it a little a few years ago. Nov 21 18:15:56 And regardless. I don't care about route finding software. Nov 21 18:16:04 It's much more interesting to me to just know where I am. Nov 21 18:16:22 that's fine, but that doesn't make maemo mapper better than any given piece of software you haven't even identified ;-) Nov 21 18:16:29 Which is what I'd say GPS software is. Whether it's tomtom or whatever. Nov 21 18:16:53 I carry a GPS everywhere I go, and it doesn't even *have* street-level maps -- and I find it useful and entertaining nonetheless Nov 21 18:16:58 Well, it's got to be better than any commercial closed source program right? :P Nov 21 18:17:43 not necessarily Nov 21 18:18:07 O_o Nov 21 18:18:18 it's perfectly possible for a closed-source application to be better than any given open-source application by any metric *except* potential (or the nebulous concept of freedom) Nov 21 18:18:35 I've used an awful lot of really crappy open source software ;-) Nov 21 18:18:43 Oh, so you count quality above freedom? Nov 21 18:19:06 I'm not sure there's a single aspect in life that freedom doesn't come paramount. (in my opinion) Nov 21 18:19:42 true freedom, I agree Nov 21 18:19:51 in terms of software ... software is around to get a job done Nov 21 18:20:22 ack, just realized maybe using setup.py/distutils for building my application is useless... Nov 21 18:20:27 I happen to agree that there exist very few commercial software packages for which there is not an appropriate open source alternative, which is better both in qualitative and idealogical metrics Nov 21 18:20:31 I'd say the freedom to examine and modify software is an essential function :P Nov 21 18:20:32 but such packages *do* exist Nov 21 18:20:37 is using configure required when you build stuff? Nov 21 18:20:48 to make sure the crosscompling works properly? Nov 21 18:21:29 truls, as long as you use python compiled for your host architecture you should be able to run setup.py files to your hearts content. Nov 21 18:21:51 alterego: even if it compiles extensions? Nov 21 18:22:09 I don't know. Python extensions are ugly. Nov 21 18:22:17 heh, yeah Nov 21 18:22:36 that's what happens when stuff isn't available in the basic repositories Nov 21 18:22:42 I have a similar issue with Ruby, when needing ruby in the build process of some package. There is a chance that it'll break somewhere. Nov 21 18:22:44 (in this case a nice blowfish encryption lib) Nov 21 18:23:01 setup.py is capable of cross-compilation Nov 21 18:23:04 So I compiled a ruby interpreter for my host system and placed it in a location that is shared across _all_ scratchbox targets. Nov 21 18:23:10 elb: ah, thanks! Nov 21 18:23:14 I don't know if a particular setup.py has to take special steps to be able to do so Nov 21 18:23:29 hm, i'll try and see what happens i guess Nov 21 18:23:40 (in the C world, for example, using autoconf doesn't make your package magically able to cross-compile in any but the simplest cases) Nov 21 18:23:57 bye! Nov 21 18:23:57 ok Nov 21 18:24:00 Many people have hit the qemu glibc arm-eabi issue .. Nov 21 18:24:28 I thought that was what he was refering to. Nov 21 18:25:20 it's kinda hard following the python_maemo_3.x_howto when you also have extensions to compile.... Nov 21 18:25:38 in this case regarding the debian packaging Nov 21 18:25:54 "The main point is that the binary-arch target was emptied and the binary-indep filled, since the application being 100% Python means that it is 100% architecture-independent. Nov 21 18:25:57 " Nov 21 18:26:04 (regarding changing debian/rules) Nov 21 18:26:22 i guess it would help if i knew what i was doing Nov 21 18:26:32 I often feel that way ;-) Nov 21 18:26:50 Heh Nov 21 18:48:03 hm, svn-buildpackage doesnt work so well in armel... Nov 21 18:48:21 hi guys, can anyone explain how to get a2dp working in os2008? Nov 21 18:48:30 or is this the wrong channel Nov 21 18:50:48 If you're looking for an insightful answer. This is definitely the wrong channel ;) Nov 21 18:51:07 * alterego wonders what a2dp is anyway. Nov 21 18:51:35 truls: so the rules for building the extensions should be under binary-arch, and the pure python stuff should be under binary-indep Nov 21 18:51:53 alterego: a bluetooth profile for hi-quality stereo audio, iirc Nov 21 18:52:13 Ah, like handsfree kit thing? Nov 21 18:52:31 no, handsfree kits use sco, which is a bluetooth profile for low-quality mono audio Nov 21 18:52:31 Tak: ok, playing around with it now Nov 21 18:52:49 Tak: just have all rules under both? :) Nov 21 18:52:50 Right, okay. So more like wireless headphones? Nov 21 18:52:55 I might be using the word "profile" incorrectly, btw, but these are definitely different protocols/whatevers Nov 21 18:52:57 they're just a lot of keywords Nov 21 18:53:13 mgedmin, yeah. They generally call them profiles I think ;) Nov 21 18:53:18 wireless headphones, yes Nov 21 18:54:04 ... or I might be misremembering; all I remember about the stereo audio protocol is that it starts with an 'a' and has four letters, one of which is a digit Nov 21 18:54:16 People Cannot Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms Nov 21 18:54:29 heh, for my rubygame package, I just put the whole thing under binary-arch Nov 21 18:54:37 * Tak lazy Nov 21 18:54:44 that's what i'm doing now Nov 21 18:54:47 since it had native extensions Nov 21 18:54:50 so if that works, i'm set ;) Nov 21 18:55:01 Works For Me[tm] Nov 21 18:55:16 ack, won't show up in the menu... Nov 21 18:58:07 * czr peeks Nov 21 18:58:28 * Tak mallets czr Nov 21 18:58:41 * mgedmin confuses czr with bzr Nov 21 18:58:43 mgedmin, no, it's Pulse Code Modulated Central Intelligence Agency, everybody knows that Nov 21 18:58:50 mgedmin: yeah its the wireless bluetooth protocol. I heard it can be enabled by playing with /etc/bluetooth/audio.conf but havent had much luck Nov 21 18:59:09 realitygaps_: I heard *some* audio players for the n800 have explicit support for it Nov 21 18:59:16 * czr becomes azr (malleted and confused) Nov 21 18:59:18 which implies that you can't easily redirect all of the n800's audio output to it Nov 21 18:59:24 at least, not with the current firmware version Nov 21 18:59:32 mgedmin: kagu does but theres no backend Nov 21 18:59:44 and i had kagu working in 2007 but 2008 no go Nov 21 18:59:44 * czr puts on the maemo-virgin-chicken-armor Nov 21 19:00:09 hmm Nov 21 19:00:56 ack, keep getting almost empty debs Nov 21 19:02:55 which is so strange as the debian/ directory is full of nifty stuff... Nov 21 19:04:05 don't you need a2dpd ? Nov 21 19:04:39 tak: i dont think so everyone keeps saying it just involves changing /etc/bluetooth/audio.conf Nov 21 19:04:54 tak: ive found hints all over but no instructions Nov 21 19:05:19 oh well i guess i'll live without a2dp for the moment Nov 21 19:05:45 * czr hands realitygaps_ r2d2 instead Nov 21 19:05:56 it's slightly more obsolete, but bleeps and beeps just as well Nov 21 19:05:59 r2d2 can stream wirelessly? Nov 21 19:06:05 http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/RMUG/~3/154350083/bluetooth-headphones-made-easy.html Nov 21 19:06:14 realitygaps_, "sure" Nov 21 19:06:45 czr: does r2 run linux i dont remember noticing? Nov 21 19:06:58 tak: thanks thats how i got it working on os2007 Nov 21 19:07:13 tak: was thinking that a2dp is more supported on os2008 Nov 21 19:07:28 wait 2008 is the one in n810 Nov 21 19:07:29 ? Nov 21 19:07:33 gaah, too many numbers Nov 21 19:07:35 realitygaps_, everything runs linux. even linus runs linux! Nov 21 19:07:44 mgedim: yep n810 os Nov 21 19:08:10 realitygaps_, it will be released for N800 too though Nov 21 19:08:24 czr: yep im running it on n800 Nov 21 19:08:37 it's not the same thing if you mean the N810 version Nov 21 19:09:58 * mgedmin googles maemo roadmap Nov 21 19:10:10 im running the n810 software on the n800, i figured that they are almost the same hardware so there wouldnt be much difference Nov 21 19:10:27 "BT headset support" is still on the roadmap, and a3dp is not mentioned Nov 21 19:10:36 a3dp? Nov 21 19:10:41 I thought it was a2dp! Nov 21 19:10:48 * alterego runs around in confused angst Nov 21 19:10:49 typo Nov 21 19:11:11 a2dp is not mentioned either Nov 21 19:11:18 * czr gives some tender caring loving to alterego Nov 21 19:11:19 ;) Nov 21 19:11:21 not even a1dp... Nov 21 19:11:23 * mgedmin hides Nov 21 19:11:29 Woah, calm down there. Nov 21 19:11:52 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=667 was my reference for trying to get it working Nov 21 19:11:54 Now I'm not confused .. Now I'm scared :P Nov 21 19:11:55 a2dp = A2-sized paper data-processing, like, when you solve an algorithm on a paper, but using the ISO std size of A2. Nov 21 19:12:04 :-) Nov 21 19:12:18 so a1dp would just be easier, and a5dp the ultimate hell! Nov 21 19:12:19 wasn't it A2-sized desktop plotter? Nov 21 19:12:36 a6dp being the pocketable version Nov 21 19:12:36 why would you want to plot on A2 sized desktops? Nov 21 19:13:02 a6 size dung paper .. Nov 21 19:13:03 okay, digital plotter Nov 21 19:13:08 for cutting out really large digits Nov 21 19:13:16 back in a bit, gonna set up scratchbox on the other machine instead of wasting more time on the a2dp Nov 21 19:13:17 mgedmin, middle fingers? Nov 21 19:13:27 * mgedmin hides his hands Nov 21 19:13:29 thanks for your help guys Nov 21 19:13:38 * czr slaps realitygaps_away with a trout for doing the nick_afk-thingy Nov 21 19:13:57 hm, so what steps of dpkg-buildpackage is responsible for moving stuff from ${DESTDIR} and into the final deb? Nov 21 19:14:05 anything i can affect in my debian/rules? Nov 21 19:14:11 alterego, this is what happens when I wake up in the evening. chaos! Nov 21 19:14:11 (by affect i mean mess up) Nov 21 19:14:26 dh_builddeb Nov 21 19:14:45 that's there Nov 21 19:14:51 final step in binary-arch Nov 21 19:15:05 czr, I've been coding the same website for the past 6 hours straight O_O Nov 21 19:15:12 and you have the arch specified in debian/control ? Nov 21 19:15:19 truls: can you pastebin your debian/rules for lazy eyeballing? Nov 21 19:15:28 Tak: no :) Nov 21 19:15:41 alterego, "coding" and "website" don't mix. unless you're doing it in ruby :-) Nov 21 19:15:46 Tak: any Nov 21 19:15:48 alterego, I've been sleeping for 4 hours :-) Nov 21 19:15:57 czr, yes, I'm doing it in ruby :P Nov 21 19:16:06 alterego, ah, then I forgive you :-) Nov 21 19:16:11 mgedmin: sure, let me try changing the arch first Nov 21 19:16:16 Tak: what should it be? Nov 21 19:16:26 armel? Nov 21 19:16:27 <_Monkey> hmmm... armel is the new architecture Nov 21 19:16:36 heh Nov 21 19:18:37 pastebin'd: http://pastebin.com/d13eeefaf Nov 21 19:18:50 any is correct. Nov 21 19:18:57 for an indep package, it would be all Nov 21 19:19:14 ok Nov 21 19:19:57 hmm... looks ok Nov 21 19:20:11 does the package name (yaysafe) match the topmost changelog entry, and also the directory name? Nov 21 19:20:15 i must be doing something stupid.... Nov 21 19:20:19 hmm, your debian/rules looks ok to me too Nov 21 19:20:25 directory name is yaysafe-0.1.0 Nov 21 19:20:34 and debian/changelog? Nov 21 19:20:40 yaysafe (0.1.0-1) unstable; urgency=low Nov 21 19:20:48 okay, I give up Nov 21 19:20:58 if you get stuff in debian/yaysafe but not in the .deb Nov 21 19:21:02 wait, is there a debian/files? Nov 21 19:21:05 maybe my armel dpkg-buildpackage is broken... Nov 21 19:21:07 no Nov 21 19:21:10 hm Nov 21 19:21:16 no dirs either Nov 21 19:21:21 maybe that's it Nov 21 19:21:26 no, I don't think so Nov 21 19:21:43 mgedmin: yeah i get stuff in debian/yaysafe Nov 21 19:22:42 aha! Nov 21 19:22:44 i keep getting a 2kb deb-file with just the control info and a 10 line list of contents Nov 21 19:22:47 w0t? Nov 21 19:22:48 :) Nov 21 19:22:52 * truls listens intently Nov 21 19:22:54 I think you're missing dh_install in your binary-arch: Nov 21 19:23:02 * truls adds Nov 21 19:23:23 oh, haha, it's commented out Nov 21 19:23:33 didn't change anything... Nov 21 19:23:38 I found the clue in the load-applet debian/rules: it installs stuff into $(CURDIR)/debian/build, and then in binary-arch: does dh_install --sourcedir=debian/build -v before dh_builddeb Nov 21 19:24:18 or maybe all dh_install does there is copy stuff from debian/build to debian/$pkgname Nov 21 19:24:21 * mgedmin not an expert Nov 21 19:25:12 what does dh_installdeb do? Nov 21 19:25:39 warning, `debian/tmp/DEBIAN/control' contains user-defined field `Maemo-Icon-26' Nov 21 19:25:39 dpkg-deb: building package `yaysafe' in `../yaysafe_0.1.0-1_armel.deb'. Nov 21 19:25:39 dpkg-deb: ignoring 1 warnings about the control file(s) Nov 21 19:25:45 that's the only warning... Nov 21 19:26:02 but that's supposed to be normal... right? Nov 21 19:26:06 okay, for dh_install you also need a debian/$pkgname.install file Nov 21 19:26:17 that lists things like 'usr/share/pixmaps/*' Nov 21 19:26:27 * mgedmin looks for a simpler example Nov 21 19:26:54 i dont' have one of those... Nov 21 19:26:57 http://pastebin.com/d72fe2437 Nov 21 19:28:06