**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Nov 23 02:59:57 2007 Nov 23 03:11:58 hey, how do you fast forward under mplayer? fast seek does nothing Nov 23 03:12:30 I received my n810, but it doesn't appear I can install anything I was using my n800 for (ssh, gpodder, gnumeric, vnc viewer, gpe calendar, openvpn, or nano). Do they need to be ported, ie...I just need to use the n800 yet for a while? Nov 23 03:13:16 Last I looked there were 26 apps for 2008 and 191 for 2007, so yes, it might be a while :). Nov 23 03:13:46 I upgraded my n800 to 2008 and in reasonably short order flashed it back to 2007. Nov 23 03:14:02 Just takes time to get everything ported. Nov 23 03:14:04 heh Nov 23 03:14:21 * doc|fail wants cpu throttling :/ Nov 23 03:14:24 Don't pick on me doc|fail :-). Nov 23 03:14:59 i'd probably have done the same :) Nov 23 03:15:10 alright, having used debian and its derivitives for a while, it's odd not being able to apt-get dist-upgrade Nov 23 03:15:26 2008 is going to be nice, I eagerly await for the n800 release. Nov 23 03:15:44 will it allow for dist-upgrades, do you know? Nov 23 03:16:08 so, mplayer ideas anyone? Nov 23 03:16:09 Not sure it can flash itself while it is running, probably not. Nov 23 03:16:28 22 minutes to CHOW! Nov 23 03:16:34 * K`zan is starving :-) Nov 23 03:16:41 os2008 is REALLY nice. great improvements. after 3rd party app support is there it will be dominate Nov 23 03:16:53 Yep, agree. Nov 23 03:17:27 2007 is certainly not shabby though. Nov 23 03:17:39 no, it really isn't Nov 23 03:18:08 can you flash '07 onto the n810? that way I could use my new hardware with my old apps and sell my 800 off Nov 23 03:18:18 probably not i'd guess Nov 23 03:18:46 Dunno, I seemed to have some odd problems with 2008 on the n800, but it COULD have just been me and my current level of ignorance. Nov 23 03:20:11 the gps maps included don't have a great deal of detail for where I live (NE corner of South Dakota) Nov 23 03:20:43 <[pablo]> is there no osso-screenshot-tool on OS2008? Nov 23 03:20:54 dick-richardson, openstreetmap based? Nov 23 03:22:30 doc|fail: I don't believe so...not sure where they're getting their maps Nov 23 03:22:39 lemme look Nov 23 03:23:29 dick-richardson, if it's openstreetmap, then yeah, they're lacking here too, and i'm in downtown vancouver :) Nov 23 03:23:59 it's wiki-like so they'll get better Nov 23 03:30:16 mplayer anyone? :/ Nov 23 05:01:09 What do I do about this?: Nov 23 05:01:12 [sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: ~] > fakeroot apt-get install maemo-explicit Nov 23 05:01:36 I may have screwed up and installed that without a target selected... Nov 23 05:02:23 Just start over from scratch (re-install scratchbox and the sdk) when I am less tired :)? Nov 23 05:03:04 Probably a good idea. Nov 23 05:03:07 Never mind :). Nov 23 05:03:09 Night all. Nov 23 05:03:48 Anyone got their N810 yet this week? Nov 23 05:26:51 hi all Nov 23 06:01:14 /users Nov 23 06:01:17 oups ... ww Nov 23 06:01:32 there is a cups WIP project Nov 23 06:02:33 yes !!! There is now a wmware for the final chinook sdk Nov 23 06:02:34 ! Nov 23 06:02:46 good Nov 23 06:06:09 wmware? Nov 23 06:06:30 guessing khertan is german Nov 23 06:06:45 oops, no sorry :) Nov 23 06:06:46 * timeless doesn't follow :) Nov 23 06:07:10 germans pronounce 'w' the way english speakers pronounce 'v' Nov 23 06:07:28 Khertan: Where, I'm muddling through setting it up in a vm and am pretty sure I screwed it up :-(. Nov 23 06:08:01 pupnik: but he's in france :) Nov 23 06:08:46 and has a name that could be french or italian, but not german :) Nov 23 06:11:23 bye Nov 23 06:12:41 Sure would be nice to have a vm appliance for the 2008 sdk. Nov 23 06:16:02 Grrr. Did anyone post a url for the vm appliance for the sdk? Nov 23 06:17:15 No Nov 23 06:18:14 Found some but which ones they are wasn't clear, going to look more. Nov 23 06:21:32 Looks like they are for 2006 and 2007 :-(. Nov 23 06:23:30 Enough, night all. Nov 23 06:25:06 pupnik_: i 'm french ... but my old girl friend was german ... maybe that :) Nov 23 06:26:20 http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ Nov 23 06:26:44 here there is a vmware image with the chinook sdk ... (i'm still downloading it) Nov 23 06:29:12 sure it contains chinook sdk? or just installer script? Nov 23 06:29:51 hum ... not sure Nov 23 06:30:10 it said : This release (0.4, "Not So Fat") is loaded with a lot of goodies: Maemo 4.0 (Chinook) and Maemo 3.2 (Bora) with Nokia Binaries Installer Nov 23 06:30:45 so i ll know once the download ll be finished Nov 23 06:31:17 only a fucking torrent ! Nov 23 06:31:49 there are now a download by http Nov 23 06:32:02 bye ... must go to work :) Nov 23 06:42:09 sweet. thanks for the latest vmware image tip Nov 23 06:42:14 * konttori is downloading now Nov 23 06:43:07 * konttori will be seeding for the rest of the day Nov 23 06:43:32 * timeless goes back to haunting konttori Nov 23 06:44:43 cool. but what kind of haunting? Nov 23 06:45:02 Casper the ghost type of haunting or something else? Nov 23 06:57:12 thx for seeding Nov 23 07:01:15 konttori: are you on site? Nov 23 07:02:16 what's neil macleod's irc nick? Nov 23 07:02:27 oh brother Nov 23 07:02:33 * timeless kicks nokia.com Nov 23 07:02:54 it linked me to the 2007 version of ukmp Nov 23 07:02:59 that's going to work well Nov 23 07:03:51 X-Fade->IsSleeping() Nov 23 07:32:45 Hi guys :) Nov 23 07:34:36 mornink Nov 23 07:49:27 dobraj ranicy Nov 23 07:55:13 milhouse: ping Nov 23 08:16:40 hrm Nov 23 08:16:49 did someone file a bug asking for os2008 to be to the right of os2007? Nov 23 08:17:38 timeless: Why would you want that? Nov 23 08:17:54 because numbers in English increase from left to right Nov 23 08:18:01 it's not logical for them to do otherwise Nov 23 08:18:08 it's counterintuitive Nov 23 08:18:14 The most relative one first? Nov 23 08:18:21 no Nov 23 08:18:24 smallest Nov 23 08:18:25 Relevant.. Nov 23 08:18:28 nope Nov 23 08:18:31 you can do: Nov 23 08:18:33 2008 Nov 23 08:18:34 2007 Nov 23 08:18:35 2006 Nov 23 08:18:36 or Nov 23 08:18:39 2006 2007 2008 Nov 23 08:18:40 you can not do Nov 23 08:18:44 2008 2007 2006 Nov 23 08:19:33 I simply don't agree ;) Newest first seems logical to me.. Nov 23 08:19:43 But file a bug, let Quim decide.. Nov 23 08:20:49 I have just filed one for marking all Nokia provided applications as such.. Nov 23 08:25:05 Bug 2367 Submitted Nov 23 08:25:05 <_Monkey> Bug 2367 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2367 Nov 23 08:25:30 x-fade: i looked a bit closer, the problem is probably partly because the colors are bad Nov 23 08:25:35 not enough contrast, shapes too similar Nov 23 08:25:45 it'd probably have been less of a problem for 2007/2008/2009 :o Nov 23 08:25:49 hrm Nov 23 08:25:54 no, that's not a better set Nov 23 08:26:02 2001/2002/2003 :) Nov 23 08:26:10 timeless: We had different colors for each OS at first. But that was rejected. Nov 23 08:26:16 * timeless nods Nov 23 08:26:22 i'm not suggesting you use colors Nov 23 08:26:30 merely noting that the colors contribute to the problem Nov 23 08:26:45 the absolute lack of brandability in the numbers is a bigger problem Nov 23 08:26:58 the numbers 2, 3 and 4 would work better though :) Nov 23 08:27:15 fwiw, i'm bugging Quim and others about the os name right now Nov 23 08:27:23 (context is in scrollback/logs) Nov 23 08:27:57 timeless: Good luck. Nokia is actively promoting that name ;) Nov 23 08:28:05 which? Nov 23 08:28:07 os2006? Nov 23 08:28:08 <_Monkey> i think os2006 is the second ABI (armel) for the Nokia 770 Nov 23 08:28:14 os2007? Nov 23 08:28:15 <_Monkey> os2007 is soon to be obsolete, replaced by OS2008 on the N800 and N810. Nov 23 08:28:18 os2008? Nov 23 08:28:19 <_Monkey> os2008 is really fast Nov 23 08:28:27 wow Nov 23 08:28:39 we went from valuable to noise in two steps Nov 23 08:29:22 btw, your alternate text sucks :) Nov 23 08:29:27 image: http://maemo.org/midcom-serveattachmentguid-ad948dee8c9011dcb47d619b18f5a144a144/thumbnail_bomberman_game Nov 23 08:29:33 alternate text: Click on the screenshot to see a larger one! Nov 23 08:29:39 that's not valid alternate text Nov 23 08:29:52 do you have minefield/firefox? Nov 23 08:30:00 Yep. Nov 23 08:30:33 right click on an item in http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2007 Nov 23 08:30:36 choose properties Nov 23 08:38:58 bon dia / good morning Nov 23 08:40:40 hi AD-N770 :) Nov 23 08:41:08 someday i hope to get around to learning about your NetHack Nov 23 08:41:14 oh wierd Nov 23 08:41:18 ok second half Nov 23 08:41:41 tools>options (or edit>preferences?) > content > click exceptions... by load images automatically Nov 23 08:41:49 enter maemo.org and click block Nov 23 08:41:54 click close, close Nov 23 08:42:01 reload the page Nov 23 08:42:12 * timeless has no idea why the alt text doesn't appear Nov 23 08:42:31 timeless: Check the source ;) Nov 23 08:42:37 anyway, the message "Click on the screenshot to see a larger one!" Nov 23 08:42:56 isn't professional :) Nov 23 08:43:07 x-fade: evil css? Nov 23 08:43:34 timeless: Nah, css can't change the alt text ;) Nov 23 08:44:01 * timeless gives up Nov 23 08:44:03 * timeless needs sleep Nov 23 08:44:06 what's the answer? Nov 23 08:44:07 <_Monkey> the answer is 42. but what is the question Nov 23 08:44:31 curses foiled by a bot is yep, haha, get some sleep Nov 23 08:46:42 buongiorno Nov 23 08:46:58 buona notte :) Nov 23 08:47:11 Morning, all Nov 23 08:50:30 * timeless curses foiled by a bot Nov 23 08:50:30 <_Monkey> yep, haha, get some sleep Nov 23 08:50:35 Nokia N810 selling for 275 euro. in stock. In the USA Nov 23 08:50:50 275eur in .us? Nov 23 08:51:06 http://www.google.com/search?q=275+eur+in+usd&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a Nov 23 08:51:09 Yes, $409. dollar is at 0.6725 euro now Nov 23 08:51:11 275 Euros = 405.4875 U.S. dollars Nov 23 08:51:23 http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=qBU&q=1+eur+in+usd&btnG=Search Nov 23 08:51:27 1 Euro = 1.4745 U.S. dollars Nov 23 08:51:34 But the US hasn't joined the Eurozone yet ;-) Nov 23 08:51:42 the dollar is plummetting Nov 23 08:51:50 jaffa: is the us elligible at this point? Nov 23 08:51:54 don't you need a stable currency? :) Nov 23 08:52:08 Good point :) Nov 23 08:52:26 just take your EU visa w/ you Nov 23 08:52:37 pay from your Euro noted bank Nov 23 08:52:46 it was 1.48something yesterday Nov 23 08:52:59 dpb: so the dollar gained a bit of ground? Nov 23 08:53:11 a tiny bit it seems Nov 23 08:53:16 * Jaffa is in .uk - no euro here either. But at least I've got a euro cash machine just around the corner from my office. Very handy when visiting the inlaws who live just opposite the UK end of the Channel Tunnel :) Nov 23 08:53:33 is that legal? Nov 23 08:54:35 timeless: no, it was over 1.50 for some short time this morning Nov 23 08:54:58 hey, how's the euro doing against the pound? Nov 23 08:55:14 afaicr the pound has always been 2 to 1 against the dollar Nov 23 08:55:18 and it still seems fairly close Nov 23 08:55:30 which to me kinda implies the euro is gaining against it, am i wrong? Nov 23 08:55:47 probably there's transfer from USD to EUR going on Nov 23 08:56:14 OPEC and China to blame. they're fed up by USD sliding down. which is ironic, since now it will slide down even faster :-) Nov 23 08:56:19 and good morning all Nov 23 08:56:21 anybody know where the N810s are being produced? Nov 23 08:56:28 pupnik, in my basement Nov 23 08:56:36 the protos were made in finland Nov 23 08:56:41 dunno about the real devices Nov 23 08:57:00 http://www.x-rates.com/d/USD/EUR/graph120.html Nov 23 08:57:03 doesn't show 1.5 Nov 23 08:57:06 amazed at how cheap they're selling in the USA Nov 23 08:57:21 pupnik: it's not cheap Nov 23 08:57:24 cheap is $299 Nov 23 08:57:30 anything over that is "expensive" Nov 23 08:57:44 and for the time being european companies can't afford to break 1x=1x markings Nov 23 08:57:59 it'd mean losing the market to american companies Nov 23 08:58:09 that's the funny part Nov 23 08:58:10 * czr considers helping the US economy by buying a macmini to bring back with him Nov 23 08:58:13 while it hurts some parts of the us Nov 23 08:58:18 apple uses the evil 1=1 ratio Nov 23 08:58:18 timeless: was in the news here around 2h ago Nov 23 08:58:23 it helps american tech firms Nov 23 08:58:35 since they can sell to europe cheaper :) Nov 23 08:58:40 or make more profit, whichever Nov 23 08:59:02 (of course, that assumes that supplies don't reprice, but i think atm they aren't) Nov 23 08:59:04 this situation will really hurt germany Nov 23 08:59:26 germany is doing pretty well still, last I hear Nov 23 08:59:28 heard even Nov 23 08:59:32 you mean poor german automotive industry? Nov 23 08:59:40 or do you mean fr/de airbus? Nov 23 08:59:46 * timeless looks for a tear to shed Nov 23 08:59:46 them too Nov 23 08:59:52 * timeless decides not to find one Nov 23 08:59:54 * czr gives one Nov 23 09:00:07 sorry, airbus is state sponsored Nov 23 09:00:11 it does not get any sympathy Nov 23 09:00:15 everything is state sponsored Nov 23 09:00:19 * timeless actually thinks the product is inferrior too Nov 23 09:00:23 the food you eat is state sponsored :-) Nov 23 09:01:17 it'd be interesting if all of the sudden there'd be exactly same taxation and other things all over the world in all countries, and all forms of subsidies would be banned Nov 23 09:01:25 I wonder what would happen Nov 23 09:01:40 that's not sufficient Nov 23 09:01:44 pupnik: no, that will have little to none imapct Nov 23 09:01:46 you need regulation and enforcement Nov 23 09:01:56 w/o that, the chinese still have unfair advantages Nov 23 09:02:03 they can use lead paint on toys Nov 23 09:02:13 or add the lead paint later Nov 23 09:02:41 true. Nov 23 09:03:09 * czr proposes a single dictatorship to govern all earth Nov 23 09:03:20 that way same rules would apply to everyone :-) Nov 23 09:03:29 the USD is overrated for a long time, and was more or less only on that level cause it is(was) the currency for oil and other federal banks bought USD to support it Nov 23 09:04:00 dev: you're an ecconomist? Nov 23 09:04:24 s/cc/c/ Nov 23 09:04:24 timeless meant: dev: you're an economist? Nov 23 09:04:40 timeless: not really, but looked at it in some detail for some "talk" a gave a few monts ago Nov 23 09:04:46 +h Nov 23 09:05:13 M3 growing at ca. 14% apr right now Nov 23 09:05:22 m3? Nov 23 09:05:40 a measure of the dollar supply Nov 23 09:05:55 if you are interested in understanding that USD vs. EUR thing you need to start with Bretton Woods Nov 23 09:06:16 i have studied this Nov 23 09:06:43 pupnik: but thehy stopped publishing m3 in march, no? :) Nov 23 09:07:44 pupnik: nice Nov 23 09:08:20 Is it complicated to run and manage a own repository? Any docs out there? Nov 23 09:08:38 maintaining a repository can be easy or hard Nov 23 09:08:48 depending on how much you're managing and how fast it's changning Nov 23 09:08:57 * timeless should have slept last night Nov 23 09:09:01 But it's almost certainly better to use extras-devel and/or extras (from a user point of view) Nov 23 09:09:11 yes Nov 23 09:09:12 Only my own packages Nov 23 09:09:16 more repositories are bad Nov 23 09:09:25 that way lies the dark side Nov 23 09:09:26 sv-en: no-one else if ever going to use them? Nov 23 09:09:27 or something Nov 23 09:09:27 :) Nov 23 09:09:31 timeless: :) Nov 23 09:09:59 Perhaps, who knows it yet Nov 23 09:10:45 oh, that was march of 2006 :) Nov 23 09:13:09 I ve tested os2008... its crap. menu to large and the browser breaks the websites layout often. No realplayer (yet)... Nov 23 09:13:26 no realplayer? Nov 23 09:13:27 confused Nov 23 09:13:39 Media player supports some real audio/video formats Nov 23 09:13:52 and what web sites? Nov 23 09:14:09 timeless: yes, last year, since 18months the fed doesn't tell anymore how much presidents they print ;-) Nov 23 09:14:13 and are you using fit width to view? Nov 23 09:14:16 It said unsupportes codec with my os07 bookmarks Nov 23 09:14:35 sv-en: bugs.maemo.org Nov 23 09:14:36 <_Monkey> somebody said bugs.maemo.org was configured to use UTF8, and i've recoded all the people i could find who were using ISO-8859-1 Nov 23 09:14:46 if it doesn't handle .. oh brother Nov 23 09:14:47 sv-en: if something worked before, doesn't work now and hasn't changed at the other end, raise a bug (or two) Nov 23 09:14:50 _monkey forget bugs.maemo.org Nov 23 09:14:51 <_Monkey> timeless: I forgot bugs.maemo.org Nov 23 09:15:18 bugs.maemo.org is \where people should report problems about software relating to maemo core applications Nov 23 09:15:23 bugs.maemo.org! Nov 23 09:15:25 <_Monkey> rumour has it bugs.maemo.org is where people should report problems about software relating to maemo core applications Nov 23 09:15:30 good bot Nov 23 09:15:41 Iam back on os07, but if i find time ill bug it Nov 23 09:15:57 if you don't, you're unsubstantiated rumor mongling Nov 23 09:16:01 fudd isn't good :) Nov 23 09:16:10 if you have urls you remember not working, you can share them here Nov 23 09:16:16 someone will gladly test and help you report the bug Nov 23 09:16:20 no requirement for you to reflash Nov 23 09:16:32 actually, maybe elmer was good Nov 23 09:16:50 Not particulalry at hunting wabbits Nov 23 09:16:52 * czr was impressed with the speed that 2348 was fixed Nov 23 09:17:06 took 20 hours! Nov 23 09:17:17 slightly less even Nov 23 09:17:38 czr: it doesn't say what it's for :! Nov 23 09:17:41 Latest releases Nov 23 09:17:42 * maemo 4.0 'chinook' Nov 23 09:17:42 * maemo 3.2 'bora' for Nokia N800 development Nov 23 09:17:42 * maemo 2.2 'gregale' for Nokia 770 development Nov 23 09:17:48 ah, true :-) Nov 23 09:17:53 I'll amend the bug :-) Nov 23 09:17:57 :) Nov 23 09:18:12 Woohoo, I'm on the front page of http://maemo.org/profile/list now. Just need to maintain that until the (N810 + x) gets released ;-) Nov 23 09:18:32 hrm, i'm not Nov 23 09:18:33 Of course, maybe I shouldn't be holding my breath for the N810 either... :-/ Nov 23 09:18:53 gah Nov 23 09:18:57 timeless: which seems odd with all your bugzilla activity and helping on IRC Nov 23 09:19:19 there i am Nov 23 09:19:20 page 6 Nov 23 09:19:29 -, timeless Nov 23 09:19:32 * timeless sighs Nov 23 09:20:47 page 8 for me Nov 23 09:20:59 * czr has only bad karma Nov 23 09:21:07 irc destroys spermcells^Wproductivity Nov 23 09:21:13 -> bad karma Nov 23 09:21:45 although, bad karma is still better than bad korma. Nov 23 09:21:48 * timeless files another bug Nov 23 09:22:10 bugzilla_reported 8 Nov 23 09:22:14 what kind of score is that? Nov 23 09:22:35 infinite with 90 degree rotation = bestest. Nov 23 09:22:44 was that a trick question? :-) Nov 23 09:25:33 ReporterNumber of bugs Nov 23 09:25:33 quim.gil@nokia.com128 Nov 23 09:25:33 jarmo.tikka@nokia.com94 Nov 23 09:25:33 tommi.komulainen@nokia.com51 Nov 23 09:25:33 timeless@gmail.com50 Nov 23 09:25:39 i'm #4 Nov 23 09:25:45 how can i have such a bad karma? Nov 23 09:26:02 Email addresses now lining up? Nov 23 09:26:12 ? Nov 23 09:26:19 s/now/not/ Nov 23 09:26:19 Jaffa meant: Email addresses not lining up? Nov 23 09:26:31 it'd be 0 otherwise, no? Nov 23 09:26:39 there's only 1 timeless in each, and they're all the same Nov 23 09:26:48 Hmm. Nov 23 09:27:31 ok, how does one search for a user? Nov 23 09:27:53 what's a "listd"? Nov 23 09:29:03 I don't think you can search, you can just go directly to profiles Nov 23 09:29:03 Bug 2370 Submitted Nov 23 09:29:04 <_Monkey> Bug 2370 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2370 Nov 23 09:30:01 ok, http://maemo.org/profile/view/jaffa Nov 23 09:30:07 bugzilla_reported 32 Nov 23 09:30:16 damn, you stole 70 from me! Nov 23 09:30:33 oh hmm. never mind, forgot I was appending a bug instead of filing a new one :-) Nov 23 09:30:43 ReporterNumber of bugs Nov 23 09:30:43 andrew@bleb.org14 Nov 23 09:30:54 you could have filed a new bug :) Nov 23 09:31:01 I decided against it Nov 23 09:31:06 since I want only bad karma Nov 23 09:31:11 heh Nov 23 09:31:12 but yes, I could've :-) Nov 23 09:31:18 jaffa: this is no fair Nov 23 09:31:20 ( 2369 ) Nov 23 09:31:21 <_Monkey> 2369 Nov 23 09:31:21 timeless: very odd. I think bugzilla_reported is misnamed (although there's no explanation as to what any of the categories are), I *think* it really means "bugzilla participation/usage" Nov 23 09:31:58 um, ok... Nov 23 09:32:24 hrm, i get points for favorites and burries? Nov 23 09:32:33 * timeless needs to go bury some things Nov 23 09:32:56 nah, first i'll file a bug on planet Nov 23 09:35:02 x-fade/jaffa: ok, i don't get it Nov 23 09:36:55 the link sizes are 0px x 0px Nov 23 09:36:59 for fav / bury Nov 23 09:37:39 * Jaffa 's not looked at the HTML, I assumed it was of the form Nov 23 09:38:00 strange Nov 23 09:38:03 it works on my tablet Nov 23 09:38:47 timeless, 2369 :-) Nov 23 09:39:54 "Task navigator", "from which to pick" Nov 23 09:40:25 not Task Navigator, right? Nov 23 09:40:30 right Nov 23 09:40:31 was thinking about that, but wasn't really sure Nov 23 09:40:43 i suppose i could try to figure out how to prove that Nov 23 09:40:47 the style says only first words Nov 23 09:40:54 but that second word doesn't apear anywhere Nov 23 09:41:13 I think it's the same issue as with "Application damager" Nov 23 09:41:19 yes Nov 23 09:41:39 s/referrred to/referenced/ Nov 23 09:41:43 gah Nov 23 09:42:08 I know my language sucks in the bug-reports Nov 23 09:42:16 I don't spent too much time writing them anyway Nov 23 09:42:38 ok, lunch, then Finnish lessons Nov 23 09:42:41 added the TN issue Nov 23 09:42:43 have an interesting weekend Nov 23 09:42:53 timeless, oh, you won't be around 1:35? Nov 23 09:42:59 i will Nov 23 09:43:02 call Nov 23 09:43:07 ah, ok. I'll ping you then :-) Nov 23 09:57:18 damn all this i18n stuff is scary. my emails contain chinese nowadays! Nov 23 09:57:43 and the glyphs are pretty too. except for numerals. Nov 23 10:11:03 Hi Nov 23 10:13:00 anyone knows where mpeg2dec gst plugin is located? Nov 23 10:17:53 bedboi: whereis mpeg2dec Nov 23 10:17:59 or dpkg -S mpeg2dec Nov 23 10:18:08 it should be in plugins-ugly Nov 23 10:19:31 i'll try to port them to os2008 Nov 23 10:22:23 :) Nov 23 10:26:14 bedboi, is there also plugins-pretty? :-) Nov 23 10:26:20 :) Nov 23 10:27:16 * bedboi crosses his fingers Nov 23 10:31:24 * czr crosses them too Nov 23 10:32:06 pair coding taken to the next level. the first person will code with fingers crossed why the other makes sure that they're crossed all the time. Nov 23 10:33:07 * L0cutus need a port of gnucash to Os2007/Os2008 :) Nov 23 10:37:24 Ciao L0cutus! :) Nov 23 10:38:18 L0cutus: you can try to port it yourself! :P Nov 23 10:38:28 lol Nov 23 10:38:38 L0cutus: :) Nov 23 10:41:03 * L0cutus is lacking of know how :) Nov 23 11:15:52 isn't it time to retire http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationCatalog (delete all content, replace it with a link to maemo.org/downloads)? Nov 23 11:16:06 are there any apps in there that aren't present in the app catalog? Nov 23 11:18:07 cd .. Nov 23 11:18:48 oops :) Nov 23 11:34:20 http://www.ebuyer.com/product/135027 cut down internet tablet over gpsr Nov 23 11:35:50 ah that one Nov 23 11:36:13 20h per month for "no charge" isn't that much Nov 23 11:36:27 considering you pay for the connection with buying the device Nov 23 11:36:29 I'd never seen anything like it Nov 23 11:36:54 proxyservers sit in between too Nov 23 11:37:25 saw a review for it somewhere... Nov 23 11:37:27 hmmmmmm Nov 23 11:37:30 maybe on el reg Nov 23 11:37:30 sponsored links Nov 23 11:37:38 supposed to be part of its revenue model Nov 23 11:38:16 after reading the review i wasnt that sure that they'd be around for few years.. Nov 23 11:38:37 it's like a poor mans e90 Nov 23 11:38:38 true, in which case I suppose one could stick a new sim card in Nov 23 11:38:45 yeah, with no voice Nov 23 11:38:56 lardman: the sw inside probably wont workout without their proxy servers Nov 23 11:39:08 that re-enc pics etc to cut down on traffic Nov 23 11:39:18 and make easier to render Nov 23 11:39:52 I was looking to see what the actual hw is, but can't see any mention, and whether anyone's tried to hack it yet Nov 23 11:40:31 anyway, I don't think it'll knock the N810 off its perch Nov 23 11:40:48 hehe Nov 23 11:40:49 certainly not Nov 23 11:40:56 the hw is probably quite light Nov 23 11:40:59 cheap Nov 23 11:41:22 dunno if parts of the browser tech come from opera or such Nov 23 11:41:26 supposed to do flash, etc. Nov 23 11:41:42 hmm? it is? Nov 23 11:41:45 never seen mention of that Nov 23 11:42:11 and the compression tech is opera mini-ish Nov 23 11:42:11 http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/07/13/preview_datawind_pocketsurfer_2/page3.html Nov 23 11:42:21 Datawind said its browser can handle all the key webpage components - ActiveX, Flash, PDF, Java, JavaScript, SSL security and so on - and HTML elements like frames, and while we didn't have an opportunity to try all these out last night, we can confirm some of them do work and work well. Nov 23 11:43:15 i find that a bit of a stretch Nov 23 11:43:18 activex especially Nov 23 11:43:20 .. Nov 23 11:44:16 might be pocketpc based Nov 23 11:44:20 do they do activex? Nov 23 11:44:39 not that i know, properly at least Nov 23 11:44:57 maybe some special for-pocket-ie version of activex.. Nov 23 11:45:38 googling for pocket ie activex finds some stuff Nov 23 11:46:19 seems like special arm stuff though, of course... Nov 23 11:47:33 for components you install yourself Nov 23 11:50:08 ah well, who cares about all that ActiveX stuff anyway! Nov 23 11:50:35 maybe someone doing some custom app for some client they can dictate to use some confusing system Nov 23 11:50:40 we hates it (gollum) Nov 23 11:51:21 that pocketsurfer is very regionally limited too though Nov 23 11:51:27 so no intrest for me at all :) Nov 23 11:51:43 likewise, just saw a shiny gadget Nov 23 11:52:18 pupnik: you'll be glad to hear I've started work on debugging the tremor task, and spotted a schoolboy error with the mp3 one that was making it fail Nov 23 11:53:15 nice Nov 23 11:54:37 I've also had a chap from Bristol contact me who's interested in working on an SBC (a2dp) task Nov 23 11:55:13 I do wonder if Nokia are working on that though, in which case it doesn't make much sense for us to start anyway Nov 23 11:55:15 yeh i was hoping your work would inspire others too (and help pave the way with code) Nov 23 11:55:31 yeah, seems to be slow progress, but I'm sure we'll get there Nov 23 11:56:03 * pupnik hands lardman a freshly sharpened machete Nov 23 11:56:08 if the mp3 task works, then it will make porting easier as everything can be done in a seperate thread (i.e. no major changes to structure of a decoder) just with semaphores added Nov 23 11:56:53 I see the dsp kernel is ~200kb larger on os2008, I must check and see if they've added sbc in there and not told us :) Nov 23 12:01:53 you're doing your own mp3 player or trying to build the existing one? Nov 23 12:02:01 i'm missing something here Nov 23 12:02:23 Serge sent me some code someone had written Nov 23 12:02:46 He's interested in an open source one as there are some issues with the closed source one Nov 23 12:03:31 it's good to see how someone else writes decoders, rather than just the arm-side stuff we've got for the closed source ones Nov 23 12:27:30 sp3000: ping Nov 23 12:27:45 can you try banning images from maemo.org in minefield and loading http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/ Nov 23 12:28:01 when i do it, i don't see the fav/bury links Nov 23 12:28:15 but on my n810 i do when i disable loading images Nov 23 12:31:16 i am using tree_store and attaching "row-activated" signal to treeview but this signal is not able to capture on maemo side Nov 23 12:31:25 how it is possible? Nov 23 12:33:16 why it is not able to connect ? can anyone ans plz ? Nov 23 12:36:47 hi Nov 23 12:54:57 Urgh .. Nov 23 12:55:07 The sound of a hang over. Nov 23 13:01:24 * keesj had a work-party yesterday Nov 23 13:03:33 I could do with going back to bed. Nov 23 13:03:39 I feel pretty ill :S Nov 23 13:12:44 I'm gonna work from bed today me thinks. Nov 23 13:20:06 hi Nov 23 13:36:57 * czr peeks Nov 23 13:55:45 anyone know if a2dp works on the 770? Nov 23 13:55:49 has anyone tried it? Nov 23 13:56:39 Can BT 1.1 handle it? Nov 23 13:58:37 * pupnik whistles atonally Nov 23 13:58:38 I'm not sure Nov 23 14:00:06 surely there must have been a 770 user who wanted to try, somewhere... Nov 23 14:02:55 Who's Sherly? Nov 23 14:03:41 don't call me shirley! Nov 23 14:03:58 Ah, that's how you spell it. Nov 23 14:04:05 * lardman must watch Airplane soon Nov 23 14:04:07 Not a very common name ;) Nov 23 14:04:24 not really here either, 20 years ago it probably was Nov 23 14:04:48 Yes, 20 years ago. Just before the mass Shirley culling? Nov 23 14:04:59 exactly Nov 23 14:05:07 one can only hope for a Britney culling Nov 23 14:05:13 Hah Nov 23 14:05:31 I'd vote for that. Nov 23 14:05:44 * Jaffa was going to make a reference to "hoping for an N810 sometime soon"; but thing I've also done one of those comments today, so will refrain Nov 23 14:05:52 s/thing/think/ Nov 23 14:06:01 +1 from /me Nov 23 14:07:01 /0 from me Nov 23 14:07:02 * alterego hopes the N810 will arrive in the UK today. Nov 23 14:07:22 any reason (to think that)? Nov 23 14:07:31 No Nov 23 14:07:35 Hope over experience? Nov 23 14:07:36 I'm just hoping :) Nov 23 14:08:24 It's nearly too late for next day delivery to be monday Nov 23 14:08:57 I'll add my hopes too then Nov 23 14:09:06 Yeah Nov 23 14:09:09 If we all hope simultaneously... Nov 23 14:09:10 Anyone here with 770HE? Nov 23 14:09:18 :) Nov 23 14:09:19 it will be delivered in 4 weeks Nov 23 14:09:28 ...and we'll die from suffocation. Nov 23 14:09:33 (Clap your hands if you believe the N810 exists) Nov 23 14:09:34 what, hacker edition? Nov 23 14:09:42 * czr only sees N00 Nov 23 14:09:45 I want a new toy. I want it before I go on holiday next week Nov 23 14:09:47 I think the N810 is some sick april fools joke. Nov 23 14:09:56 alterego, ssh Nov 23 14:10:00 well, next week == start of dec. Nov 23 14:10:16 To someone with a 770 running hacker edition, do the dsp tasks work? I.e. can you play mp3s, etc.? Nov 23 14:10:22 czr: maybe it's just an internal joke to play on gullible consumers. Nov 23 14:10:34 Yeah Nov 23 14:10:45 Jaffa, it goes much deeper than that. even people inside N think they're developing software for it. Nov 23 14:10:47 those fools.. Nov 23 14:10:54 I bet the N810 photo's are fake. Like the moon landing. Nov 23 14:10:55 * Jaffa doesn't understand how it can be launched officially in the US, but without the discount codes working and only available in-store; and not launched anywhere else. It's totally fubar. Nov 23 14:11:27 Seriously? Nov 23 14:11:33 It's only available in US shops? Nov 23 14:11:46 The N810 is based on alien technology recovered from Roswell, so the CIA has now stopped Nokia from launching it anywhere except in US physical stores. Possibly as some kind of mind-control device. Nov 23 14:11:48 Not nokia usa? Nov 23 14:12:00 Ah, that makes sense. Nov 23 14:12:03 I don't see a big issue there really, we're getting a big discount (why should we be first), the US is large = lots of customers Nov 23 14:12:11 Nope. NokiaUSA.com says 2007-12-19 as the release date. Nov 23 14:12:14 aliens used linux back in 1940's Nov 23 14:12:25 lardman, we should be first because we're developing software for it ;) Nov 23 14:12:30 pupnik: you about? Nov 23 14:12:36 linus just ported it to the i386 in 1991 Nov 23 14:12:42 Interesting. Nov 23 14:12:46 tsavola, explains why your eyes glow green in the dark :-) Nov 23 14:12:54 tsavola > lol Nov 23 14:12:55 czr: not to mention my pen.. Nov 23 14:13:00 So how come Nokia USA get a release date whilst the rest of us are left in the dark? Nov 23 14:13:03 tsavola, no reason to get _that_ personal! Nov 23 14:13:10 czr: you don't like my pen? Nov 23 14:13:13 Hah Nov 23 14:13:19 tsavola, I think it's too long to be of any real use. Nov 23 14:13:24 :D Nov 23 14:13:24 alterego: could be just educated guesses? Nov 23 14:13:39 tsavola, don't people complain about it? Nov 23 14:13:44 alterego: don't worry, it seems to change on a daily basis. And again, doesn't make much sense when Nokia US have put out a press release saying it's now available to buy (but not from them online) Nov 23 14:13:46 alterego: a gamble between N Team ? :) Nov 23 14:13:47 czr: they like to borrow it Nov 23 14:13:56 Veggen, Nokia USA is owned by Nokia do you think they'd put false information on their own site? (intentionally of course) Nov 23 14:13:56 yes lardman Nov 23 14:13:58 tsavola, that's just evil :-) Nov 23 14:13:59 * alterego chuckles. Nov 23 14:13:59 czr: i get good money renting its use Nov 23 14:14:03 just dealing with some massive idiocy Nov 23 14:14:20 alterego: Friends of mine write a technical book. Way long before it was finished, it was available for pre-order, and with "213 pages" in the description ;) Nov 23 14:14:25 pupnik: you run HE? Nov 23 14:14:31 Veggen: heh Nov 23 14:14:44 Hah, maybe they just new how long it'd be ;) Nov 23 14:14:44 no, and i'm sorry to say i don't have an image handy on mmc Nov 23 14:14:53 * alterego gives up on the 212th hypothetical page. Nov 23 14:14:57 but i need to, and i plan to Nov 23 14:15:06 pupnik: do you know how well it supports the hw? Ie. does the DSP now work? Nov 23 14:15:07 i don't know if you have see but there is an other firmware to leak :) Nov 23 14:15:32 lardman: yes dsp works - just needed a little change in a config Nov 23 14:15:40 RX-44_2008SE_1.2007.42-19_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin Nov 23 14:15:42 :) Nov 23 14:15:43 cool, thanks Nov 23 14:15:46 Oooh, interesting. Very interesting: Use nokia.co.uk's search to find references to "N810" and the only one is yesterday, the support site going live: http://www.nokia.co.uk/EUROPE_NOKIA_COM_3/Get_Support/RSS/supportnews.xml Nov 23 14:16:11 Jaffa, that's good news .. Nov 23 14:16:19 it's possible that the various internationalization / keyboards are the reason for delay in europe Nov 23 14:16:37 tsavola, have you thought about franchising your pen? Nov 23 14:16:47 pupnik: Someone @Nokia told me UK & US ones are the same (although obviously chargers & packaging are probably different) Nov 23 14:16:52 I guess that's a good reason. Nov 23 14:17:00 "Fello Americans! You too can now Experience the T. Savola Pen!" Nov 23 14:17:02 +w Nov 23 14:17:02 I think I prefered the alien technology one better. Nov 23 14:17:09 seems the book is at 184 pages, now. Nov 23 14:17:19 I think it's in the print, now. Nov 23 14:18:35 Jaffa, there's a product information page too. Nov 23 14:18:42 it's possible that the various internationalization / keyboards are the reason for delay in europe > NO PLEASE ! I want a QWERTY keyboard Nov 23 14:19:06 same here, but i'll take anything Nov 23 14:20:33 It's not just the mapping, for instance in the UK the currency is £ not $ Nov 23 14:20:41 Which is reflected in the key mapping (usually) Nov 23 14:21:20 Anyone watch that BSG Razor thingy? Nov 23 14:21:24 http://nds3.nokia.com/pressphotos/public/global/devices/n810/n810_02_web_low.jpg shows that the QWERTY keyboard has USD, EUR & GBP Nov 23 14:21:25 Worth a peek? Nov 23 14:21:33 alterego: definitely. it's very *very* good Nov 23 14:21:46 Cool, there's an ep on tomorrow. Nov 23 14:21:55 alterego > i see it ... ... bof bof Nov 23 14:21:57 I'll watch the one that aired in October in a few minutes. Nov 23 14:22:16 alterego > maybe i ve waited too long time ... Nov 23 14:22:29 alterego > maybe i'm asking too much Nov 23 14:22:47 Heh Nov 23 14:22:52 What are you on about? Nov 23 14:22:56 alterego > it a good double episode ... not less, not much Nov 23 14:23:35 Cool. Nov 23 14:23:42 alterego > sometime a bit slow ... Nov 23 14:23:57 Well, it's 1 1/2 hours long ^_^ Nov 23 14:24:03 yes :) Nov 23 14:24:35 I want to see Roswell Aliens in BSG Nov 23 14:24:46 More aliens! Nov 23 14:24:57 Maybe Xenomorphs Nov 23 14:25:08 Starbuck Vs. Ripley Nov 23 14:25:31 timeless: 169161 I suppose Nov 23 14:25:58 which is odd, I'd have thought that would be essential or something Nov 23 14:27:54 maemo.org RIP Nov 23 14:28:03 Hah Nov 23 14:28:16 Someone should consider mirroring that site for Nokia ;) Nov 23 14:29:21 czr, 'selector.flip.flop.to_blob' Ruby poetry ;) Nov 23 14:29:36 Maybe Ruby rap .. Nov 23 14:30:05 L0cutus > maemo is dead like all friday ... as nokia announce new thing friday i think there are too many connections Nov 23 14:30:08 * czr smacks alterego around with a trout called "Flip Flop" Nov 23 14:30:17 :) Nov 23 14:30:24 lol Nov 23 14:30:31 Khertan: there's a new thing announced today? Nov 23 14:30:35 too many nXXX users out there... Nov 23 14:30:38 That's cute. Do you name all of your fish? Nov 23 14:30:47 Jaffa > i don't think :) Nov 23 14:30:52 alterego, it's my neighbours Nov 23 14:30:55 Hah Nov 23 14:31:04 mine go by numbers Nov 23 14:31:34 Jaffa > there is a new firmware for n810 :) (still installable on n800 :) Nov 23 14:31:42 Khertan: ah, yeah. Nov 23 14:31:58 hmm. does it fix anything? Nov 23 14:32:09 on n810 I mean Nov 23 14:32:12 don't know Nov 23 14:32:21 * czr nods Nov 23 14:32:28 there is no changelog in firmware pages :) Nov 23 14:32:36 there's no changelogs anywhere :-) Nov 23 14:32:45 Hah Nov 23 14:32:45 lol ... Nov 23 14:32:58 or rather, there might be, but they're normally pretty non-verbose and cryptic Nov 23 14:33:04 again!? Nov 23 14:33:05 Khertan, if you find out any changes let me know ;) Nov 23 14:33:05 czr> maybe in there own bug tracker at nokia Nov 23 14:33:20 Khertan, maybe Nov 23 14:33:20 alterego> don't see one Nov 23 14:33:38 or maybe they write the changelogs in white ink, so that people using white background in terminals won't see the secret message Nov 23 14:33:40 * czr shrugs Nov 23 14:33:52 there is also an new support page for the n810 on the nokia europe Nov 23 14:33:53 Hang on .. Shouldn't you be able to update with apt-get upgrade ? Nov 23 14:34:08 Khertan, yes. We were talking about that earlier. Nov 23 14:34:27 ah lol don't see it :) Nov 23 14:34:35 what about a binary diff of the rootfs's Nov 23 14:34:40 Khertan, try changing the background color in your terminal Nov 23 14:34:41 it s google alert wicch send me a mail :) Nov 23 14:35:05 czr> it's already yellow foreground on pink background Nov 23 14:35:16 pink background? that explains it Nov 23 14:35:18 lardman, I think a filesystem tree diff would be better ;) Nov 23 14:35:25 you've hit the "Linux is unstable with pink background"-bug Nov 23 14:35:35 czr> lol Nov 23 14:35:40 alterego: yeah, compression Nov 23 14:36:05 I'll run a comparison myself actually :) Nov 23 14:36:10 maybe i should try to use hachoir on the firmware :) Nov 23 14:36:44 Khertan: indeed, we noticed about half an hour ago. Nov 23 14:36:51 (on the support page :-)) Nov 23 14:37:59 what days were the 770 and N800 released on? Nov 23 14:38:32 friday Nov 23 14:38:33 <_Monkey> i guess friday is comming up again :D Nov 23 14:39:08 Heh Nov 23 14:39:09 _Monkey: coming is the correct spelling Nov 23 14:39:10 <_Monkey> OK, lardman. Nov 23 14:39:10 _Monkey in insightful and humourous comment shocker. Nov 23 14:39:11 <_Monkey> Jaffa: i'm not following you... Nov 23 14:39:11 as the spanish like to say... manana Nov 23 14:39:23 * vegai cannot type the fancy n ;-/ Nov 23 14:39:33 oh no, what have I just taught _Monkey Nov 23 14:39:35 the finnish replace that with maanantaina Nov 23 14:39:35 coming? Nov 23 14:39:36 <_Monkey> it has been said that coming is the correct spelling Nov 23 14:39:43 lol Nov 23 14:39:49 cuming? Nov 23 14:40:07 _Monkey: vegai is rude Nov 23 14:40:08 <_Monkey> OK, lardman. Nov 23 14:40:13 vegai? Nov 23 14:40:13 <_Monkey> vegai is, like, rude Nov 23 14:40:26 he got me. Nov 23 14:40:43 vegai: unteach him if you want Nov 23 14:41:13 _Monkey, unlearn being a useless bot! Nov 23 14:41:14 <_Monkey> czr: what? Nov 23 14:41:20 lardman, doesn't work.. Nov 23 14:41:31 an useless even. Nov 23 14:41:33 czr: I wonder what "forget everything" does? Nov 23 14:41:34 * czr runs in shame Nov 23 14:41:45 _Monkey: forget coming Nov 23 14:41:46 <_Monkey> lardman: I forgot coming Nov 23 14:41:49 _Monkey: forget vegai Nov 23 14:41:50 <_Monkey> lardman: I forgot vegai Nov 23 14:42:25 don't forget to set Nov 23 14:42:36 _Monkey: coming is Nov 23 14:42:37 <_Monkey> OK, pupnik. Nov 23 14:42:46 which is totally annoying to have to do Nov 23 14:42:59 Nov 23, 2007 7:54 AM At local FedEx facility <--- I think I get it today, yay :) Nov 23 14:44:10 captlloyd: not a way to win friends ;-p Nov 23 14:44:46 coming Nov 23 14:44:56 tmi Nov 23 14:44:59 _Monkey coming Nov 23 14:44:59 <_Monkey> Khertan: what? Nov 23 14:45:11 _Monkey Nov 23 14:45:11 <_Monkey> Khertan? Nov 23 14:45:24 Heh Nov 23 14:45:33 bye Nov 23 14:46:11 i'm pondering a raised plastic ring for the N810 dpad Nov 23 14:46:12 morning all Nov 23 14:46:48 would need to have some stickyness but not too much - maybe double-sided tape Nov 23 14:48:43 me i hope the sliding keyboard will not be too fragil Nov 23 14:50:17 http://www.redferret.net/Images/eleksen2sidedfabrickeyboard_small.jpg < very funny Nov 23 14:51:06 alpha on one side & calc on the other? Nov 23 14:51:36 http://europe.nokia.com/A4680127 the changelog for the new firmware :) Nov 23 14:52:08 many explications, details on the changes ... Nov 23 14:52:17 "This release includes a fix for stability improvement. We recommend everyone to upgrade to this software release." Nov 23 14:52:18 :) Nov 23 14:52:23 they fixed the stability improvement! Nov 23 14:52:27 YAY! Nov 23 14:52:31 Stability improvement Nov 23 14:52:34 now it's unstable again. Nov 23 14:52:40 lol Nov 23 14:53:00 yeah, I am so glad they fixed that. Nov 23 14:53:16 it really got on my nerves :-) Nov 23 14:53:19 the tablets were just TOO stable before the fix Nov 23 14:53:20 Hah Nov 23 14:53:41 captlloyd, yeah, how on earth does Nokia suppose people can even use them for development? :-) Nov 23 14:53:58 Yeah, stability is for people who like being robots. Nov 23 14:54:07 yeah! Nov 23 14:54:10 the bug wich i hope they fix is on the thumb keyboard ... double all my sentence each time Nov 23 14:54:37 I'd like them to sort out the vkb in microb .. Nov 23 14:55:08 hu ? Nov 23 14:55:35 ha ! Nov 23 14:55:40 Using it for form entry is a joke. Nov 23 14:56:24 * lardman could do with a beer, all this waiting is stressful Nov 23 14:56:32 a new firmware to leak ? :) Nov 23 14:56:38 Urgh .. Don't .. My hangover has only just subsided ;) Nov 23 14:56:43 using it is a joke :) Nov 23 14:56:51 alterego: hair of the dog Nov 23 14:57:00 L0cutus: it's not a leak, the N810 is launched in some US shops Nov 23 14:57:20 * Jaffa 's brother is round for dinner tonight. Mrs. Jaffa will have to suffer some beer consumption Nov 23 14:57:22 i mean for our n800 :) Nov 23 14:57:32 Hah Nov 23 14:57:41 Well, "leak" is still wrong - "hack" is better :) Nov 23 14:57:50 Mrs. Jaffa .. That's cute ;) Nov 23 14:57:51 hehe Nov 23 14:58:01 Well, it would be more cute if you were Jabba Nov 23 14:58:15 TTOTD: Women don't like being referenced as Jabba *ever*. Nov 23 14:58:24 ;) Nov 23 14:58:25 Trust me, I've learnt this from personal experience ;-) Nov 23 14:58:30 Hahah Nov 23 14:58:38 I'm not that stupid :P Nov 23 14:58:46 lol Nov 23 14:59:11 we can't know that alterego Nov 23 14:59:26 Well .. I'm not _that_ stupid ;) Nov 23 14:59:38 I openly admit I'm a huge dumbass ;) Nov 23 14:59:39 we can't know _that_ either :-) Nov 23 14:59:48 it may be that every time you say something like that she knocks you unconsicious and you forget what you did wrong Nov 23 14:59:57 heh Nov 23 15:00:00 Hah Nov 23 15:00:10 Yes, that sounds plausible. Nov 23 15:00:52 hmm. that could work at work too. "Why isn't your stuff done yet?!" "I Don't know. I started working on it last week, and then somehow monday turned into friday. I have no idea" Nov 23 15:00:59 And then aliens abduct you, to experiment on the best way to torture a developer waiting for the N810 release. Nov 23 15:01:06 Hahah Nov 23 15:01:30 I'm still convinced that the N810 is just a bad joke :P Nov 23 15:01:39 lol Nov 23 15:01:46 there's surely only one worse torture, to see the web stores come on line one by one, but not your one! Nov 23 15:02:00 you could fake one lardman Nov 23 15:02:06 no one would ever know the difference Nov 23 15:02:11 New phishing scam to collect loads of device codes ;-) Nov 23 15:02:31 err. why do you even need to collect them :-) Nov 23 15:02:36 Sell them on, make a huge profit. Retire to a desert island and never worry about Maemo again Nov 23 15:02:38 * L0cutus wait for n900 :) Nov 23 15:02:38 They'll carry on with this release stuff. Then I'll order one, December 25th some fat guy in a red coat will knock on the door, open up his bag and give me an empty box with a note in it saying "Fooled You! MERRY CHRISTMAS!" Nov 23 15:02:39 just get the OID list and test those Nov 23 15:03:18 alterego, "And I'm a woman btw!" Nov 23 15:03:23 Heh Nov 23 15:04:11 And real :) Nov 23 15:05:22 Quim Gill is a women?! Nov 23 15:05:44 Quim Gil is fat? Nov 23 15:05:49 yeah. that's where the Gill Sans font got the name! Nov 23 15:05:53 (sans = without in latin) Nov 23 15:05:58 heh Nov 23 15:06:00 Hah Nov 23 15:06:14 lardman, any luck with pvr.ko ? Nov 23 15:06:21 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gill_Sans Nov 23 15:06:23 Latin? French too Nov 23 15:06:37 * czr shrugs Nov 23 15:06:44 lardman, you know where French came from don't you ;) Nov 23 15:06:51 shackan: I've been battling with OE to build an image with GCC 3.4.4, oldish libc and OABI Nov 23 15:07:09 alterego: yeah, not England, so it must be rubbish? Nov 23 15:07:10 lardman, couldn't you just use buildroot? Nov 23 15:07:17 alterego: ;) Nov 23 15:07:18 lardman, it's not like you need a full system is it? Nov 23 15:07:24 Hah Nov 23 15:07:40 lardman: sounds like you're spending a whole weekend getting it work :) Nov 23 15:07:41 Yes, I want to run the opengl stuff too if possible Nov 23 15:07:44 buildroot is super easy .. Nov 23 15:07:53 what's buildroot? Nov 23 15:07:53 <_Monkey> buildroot is, like, super easy Nov 23 15:07:56 lardman, sure you can compile X with buildroot Nov 23 15:08:10 lardman: have you tried the vincent3d port linked on ITT ? Nov 23 15:08:23 _Monkey buildroot is a cross-platform rootfs from scratch building tool. Nov 23 15:08:24 <_Monkey> ...but buildroot is super easy ..... Nov 23 15:08:25 lardman: do you want to continue? Yes/Yes Nov 23 15:08:56 shackan: no, I'm not bothered with opengl per se (his port is software only), I want to decipher the comms between the kernel driver and the user-space side code Nov 23 15:09:19 I know it's software only Nov 23 15:09:21 _Monkey your mom is super easy Nov 23 15:09:22 <_Monkey> OK, alterego. Nov 23 15:09:25 I think I should be able to create a Poky image, I met some bugs, they should have been fixed Nov 23 15:10:27 shackan: I have spent all this week, every evening (gf not best pleased) trying to debug my OE build though Nov 23 15:11:00 lardman, why would your GeForce mind? Nov 23 15:11:01 lardman, seriously buildroot can help :) It'll even generate a jffs or squashfs image for you :) Nov 23 15:11:08 lardman: ouch :) Nov 23 15:11:15 czr: lol Nov 23 15:11:19 Hah Nov 23 15:11:32 lardman: gonna use mmiotrace on the driver once it works ? Nov 23 15:11:45 alterego: do you have an url, I'll take a look if OE doesn't work (it does the same thing though) Nov 23 15:11:58 lardman, it's part of the uclibc project. Nov 23 15:12:12 shackan: to tell the truth I haven't the faintest idea, I learn as I go along Nov 23 15:12:40 lardman, http://buildroot.uclibc.org/ Nov 23 15:12:54 lardman: I see, you hacked with the DSP too haven't ya? Nov 23 15:12:55 alterego: ah, I thought it was maemo specific, in that case OE does the same job so I'll stick with what I know (but will take a look at the link, thanks) Nov 23 15:13:24 Well, if OE is dying on you. buildroot is simple and just works :P Nov 23 15:13:31 shackan: yeah, DSP hacking is still going on, just got sidetracked with Jazelle & PowerVR Nov 23 15:14:06 lardman: could it be used (I mean, would it make sense to use it) to accelerate some ogl functions ? Nov 23 15:14:12 alterego: but does it just work for an old setup (ie old gcc, old libc, old ABI)? - that's the problem with OE, these things are old and therefore have broken Nov 23 15:14:32 lardman: of course just to learn dsp coding, mostly Nov 23 15:14:34 It should do you can select the versions of packages to install. Nov 23 15:14:40 lardman: what do you need from the oabi rootfs? Nov 23 15:14:59 shackan: it's possible, but I think the hardware is pretty good (if it could be made to work). I understand that the link isn't that fast ARM<->DSP, which is why Nokia stopped doing video there Nov 23 15:16:06 kulve: I'm after an entire rootfs + kernel - I want to run the opengl + powervr mbx stuff and see if it works Nov 23 15:16:26 shackan: you are doing some DSP stuff too? Nov 23 15:16:52 "entire" i.e. X and everything it needs? Nov 23 15:16:57 * lardman is getting behind in the typinhg Nov 23 15:17:00 lardman: oh not yet, sounded like a fun thing to do Nov 23 15:17:26 kulve: perhaps, some of the binaries will just test the hardware, talk to it, but if I can match the X11 version then that would be pretty cool too Nov 23 15:17:55 what x11 version would you need? Nov 23 15:18:17 lardman: what kernel version is your blob built for ? Nov 23 15:18:59 shackan: blob is 2.6.14, but that can be stripped and I've inserted it in the current kernel (though it just sits there and does nothing) Nov 23 15:19:06 kulve: let me look, hang on Nov 23 15:20:19 Well I have libX11.so.6.2.1 Nov 23 15:20:38 though how one can tell whether it's kdrive, or this or that I don't know Nov 23 15:21:21 actually X version doesn't matter, it all comes as binaries as it's been patched Nov 23 15:21:34 * vegai looks at his empty hands. No 810 Nov 23 15:21:34 give away is the fact that usr/bin/Xmbx is called that Nov 23 15:22:00 vegai: did you screw your eyes up and think very very hard about an N810? Nov 23 15:22:03 * czr makes monkey generate some content for vegai's empty hands Nov 23 15:22:09 _Monkey, 800 + 10 Nov 23 15:22:10 <_Monkey> 810 Nov 23 15:22:16 there Nov 23 15:22:22 Hah Nov 23 15:22:33 _Monkey: 200Nm in lb.ft Nov 23 15:22:33 <_Monkey> lardman: sorry... Nov 23 15:22:39 doesn't do torque Nov 23 15:22:53 nor does google, disappointing Nov 23 15:23:02 _Monkey 99 EUR in GBP Nov 23 15:23:02 <_Monkey> alterego: excuse me? Nov 23 15:23:06 Meh, Nov 23 15:23:13 Rubybot used google for that stuff :) Nov 23 15:23:15 convert ... perhaps Nov 23 15:24:01 i ve made an screenlet to monitoring the change on the europe nokia store :) Nov 23 15:25:14 lardman: there one sacrificed goat I'll never see again :-/ Nov 23 15:25:15 nothing happens for me until i get the email from maemo.org anyway Nov 23 15:25:59 this waiting stuff is horrible though. i wish i could stop thinking about it Nov 23 15:26:40 vegai: :) Nov 23 15:26:55 pupnik, learn arm asm meanwhile? Nov 23 15:27:30 * czr is proud of his "NAO OK!" button making it Nov 23 15:27:35 czr: only takes a day ;) Nov 23 15:27:51 ARM assembler's lurvely Nov 23 15:27:52 lardman, poop. :-) Nov 23 15:27:52 i'm slogging through my dosbox frontend right now Nov 23 15:28:05 nothing can be learned properly in a day Nov 23 15:28:21 except finding out what kind of people lawyers are really Nov 23 15:29:38 czr: true, took a couple of week's worth of evenings I reckon Nov 23 15:30:42 * czr nods Nov 23 15:30:50 one of the more interesting archs to learn was EPIC Nov 23 15:31:01 it was/is really something. Nov 23 15:31:13 it's actually hard to find stuff on the internet, ARM is in Intel syntax and everything about inline asm is in AT&T, bloody frustrating! Nov 23 15:31:25 * czr nods Nov 23 15:31:32 * czr hates the at&t "syntax" Nov 23 15:31:45 although, the mcs assemblers from intel actually used a very similar syntax as well Nov 23 15:31:45 same here Nov 23 15:31:47 mcs-51 ones Nov 23 15:32:10 * czr hugs objdump for -m intel Nov 23 15:32:18 makes the blurb at least semi-readable Nov 23 15:32:31 I should really buy a book, as I do sometimes need to know things (like the preamble and postamble or whatever they're called) and can't remember where I found it on the net Nov 23 15:32:57 i have a snes emu lying around that just needs a high-resolution timer - nice little arm hack project Nov 23 15:33:04 I write notes to myself. normally do a separate 'play' project for each arch and write commented examples there Nov 23 15:33:11 that way I can find the stuff easily afterwards Nov 23 15:33:31 my svn is filled with all kinds of small projects like that Nov 23 15:33:41 czr: good plan Nov 23 15:33:53 * czr shrugs. works for me at least Nov 23 15:34:11 like I never quite remember which include files to use with gcc for xmm intrisics Nov 23 15:34:20 or how to do the inline asm version of rdtsc and such Nov 23 15:34:43 beyond me, I just learned what I needed to to hack Jazelle Nov 23 15:35:02 oh. that's for x86. I don't do arm really. Nov 23 15:35:03 so coprocessor access, other basic bits and all inline Nov 23 15:36:01 * czr chuckles at one correction on paper Nov 23 15:36:18 ample should be sample. but it shouldn't really. bleh :-) Nov 23 15:39:18 exit Nov 23 15:43:05 someone know if there is documentation about using camera on n800 with python ? Nov 23 15:43:48 food-time(tm) -> Nov 23 15:44:04 Khertan, there's a python API called "easy" that makes it simple Nov 23 15:44:08 Khertan, easy.garage.maemo.org Nov 23 15:44:25 its as simple as easy.click("mysnapshot.jpg") Nov 23 15:49:26 hola Nov 23 15:49:27 <_Monkey> salut, lopz Nov 23 15:50:19 Hmm Adam Curry seems to have got his N810. http://m-uk.podshow.com/media/21/episodes/88366/dailysourcecode-88366-11-23-2007.mp3 Nov 23 15:50:36 Talks a lot about it about 5 minutes into the podcast.. Nov 23 15:51:35 Had it since Tuesday according to http://www.curry.com/ Nov 23 15:51:45 Yep. Nov 23 15:51:50 And is running Video center.. Nov 23 15:51:57 Which is not available yet.. Nov 23 15:52:15 what's video center? Nov 23 15:52:57 Video Center is http://videocenter.garage.maemo.org/ Nov 23 15:53:42 has nokia recruited curry? Nov 23 15:54:03 X-Fade: VC not available for OS2008? Nov 23 15:54:07 Okko: No, but he owned a N800 too. Talked a lot about it.. Nov 23 15:54:13 Jaffa: Nope. Nov 23 15:54:13 Jaffa: thanks Nov 23 15:54:23 Jaffa: yet ;) Nov 23 15:54:30 lophyte> thanks i ll get a look to this api ... but it s seems not available yet for chinook Nov 23 15:54:38 but i could look how they do :) Nov 23 15:54:52 Khertan, ah, yeah I don't know about chinook... Nov 23 15:54:57 I'm on bora atm Nov 23 15:55:04 X-Fade: just wondering since he has visited the nokia hq Nov 23 15:55:09 * alterego yawns Nov 23 15:55:25 Okko: Yeah, podshow is going to sell them too. With discounts.. Nov 23 15:55:33 I'm gonna watch Razor. Nov 23 15:55:36 * alterego idles Nov 23 15:55:59 Khertan: given it's just Python it should work fine on Chinook unless the DBUS calls it uses have changed Nov 23 15:56:23 that's true too Nov 23 15:56:35 really easy to use :camera.click('filename') Nov 23 15:57:21 wonder when the nexst model will come out Nov 23 15:57:26 -s Nov 23 15:57:29 Jaffa > as i don't like depending on framework for small program i could look at their source :) Nov 23 15:57:40 planning to skip N810 in the product line :) Nov 23 15:58:25 Khertan: seems odd to re-invent the wheel, TBH. Happens all too often in software development, it's probably problem #1 in s/w engineering at the moment Nov 23 16:00:35 Jaffa > it's true ... but framework are often ... too heavy ... for small things Nov 23 16:00:49 problem #2 is that the old wheels were round, the new wheels are octahedrons Nov 23 16:01:18 jaffa > but as this framework seem's to be really well build ... i could use only the camera module without loading and integrated the other Nov 23 16:01:37 Khertan: one would hope - otherwise you could raise it as a bug :) Nov 23 16:02:13 In fact, it looks like camera.py only depends on easy_exceptions and the rest is "normal" Nov 23 16:02:39 problem #3 : many framework can do many things, use many ressources, need more time to implements instead for using only one function Nov 23 16:03:03 problem Â#4: even small programs become big programs eventually Nov 23 16:03:38 http://www.gnuton.org/blog/2007/11/23/qt4-on-maemo-screenshots/ Nov 23 16:03:55 GNUton: cool Nov 23 16:04:19 Jaffa > problem #5 : many people want one program for doing all things where there are already others program for doing all this thing Nov 23 16:04:33 Jaffa: :) Nov 23 16:04:39 GNUton: any chance of a Qt theme to better fit the gtk one? Is there a Gtk/Qt bridge you could use to do the menu integration? Nov 23 16:05:38 Doh: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=99027#post99027 Nov 23 16:05:50 GNUton> very nice site Nov 23 16:06:07 Short version: Nokia Europe said "the N810 will not be avaialble for a few weeks (December for sure) in Europe" Nov 23 16:06:22 Jaffa: i'll try to write some patch for Qt! Nov 23 16:06:28 Khertan: thank you Nov 23 16:06:59 great wp theme Nov 23 16:07:10 and nice content Nov 23 16:07:14 Khertan: :) Nov 23 16:07:57 do you have a traduction for this doc ? : http://www.gnuton.org/blog/docs/realizzare-un-repository-debian/ Nov 23 16:08:17 translation Nov 23 16:08:30 translation sorry :) thanks lardman Nov 23 16:09:06 speaking in english with keyboard and in french on phone isn't easy :) Nov 23 16:09:21 Khertan: no, i'm sorry Nov 23 16:09:53 Khertan: I can imagine Nov 23 16:10:15 i have to go! bye! Nov 23 16:10:29 to the pub! Nov 23 16:10:38 lol Nov 23 16:13:22 i like the class easy_exception from the framework easy : class EasyError(Exception): pass Nov 23 16:13:25 :) Nov 23 16:13:35 nice error managment :) Nov 23 16:24:52 bye Nov 23 16:30:18 Heh, two blog posts pretty much at the same time on the same issue (N810 delays, availability and discount codes) both currently top on pmo Nov 23 16:31:38 Hi everybody Nov 23 16:32:31 I tries to run a .wav file with mplayer, but it doesn't work... neither with -ao option... some hints? Nov 23 16:32:51 .wav is a container format; the contents could be unsupported. Nov 23 16:33:01 Need to see command line and full mplayer output Nov 23 16:50:52 http://pastebin.com/d5a39b94a Nov 23 16:52:14 Not seen that before. Looks like it's a straight forward WAV. Perhaps raise on mplayer.garage.maemo.org ? Nov 23 17:02:22 re Nov 23 17:07:16 Scott horton show on now - http://listen64.kaos959.com ;) Nov 23 17:43:35 brb Nov 23 17:47:38 hi all Nov 23 17:48:16 hi Nov 23 17:48:35 * Andy80 writing from n770 with os2007 HE :) Nov 23 17:49:46 haha pretty cool Nov 23 17:49:53 lo andy80 Nov 23 17:50:13 i jsut bought an n800, so impressed considering getting an n770 :) Nov 23 17:50:23 I know why n810 will arrive later here in europe... Nov 23 17:52:34 Nokia signed an agreement with Santa Klaus and he will bring us our devices :p Nov 23 17:53:22 :) Nov 23 17:53:35 its an amazing piece of hardware.... and open source Nov 23 17:53:38 * Tieku in ore Nov 23 18:02:35 well, parts of it are open source Nov 23 18:02:57 * mgedmin sighs Nov 23 18:03:39 what are you missing? Nov 23 18:03:43 Tieku, why would you want a 770 if you have the n800 o_o Nov 23 18:04:27 lophyte: Its cheap to pick up second hand and means i can hack across the two plateforms :) i want to write useful tutorials Nov 23 18:04:34 haha Nov 23 18:04:47 true enough Nov 23 18:05:29 I'm kinda anxious to start developing on it but I'm at a loss for project ideas, lol Nov 23 18:05:58 I just spent a couple of nights managing to access my samba share across the network :D Nov 23 18:06:05 * Tieku very pleased with his small success Nov 23 18:06:19 lophyte: many things to do. do you know any GTK or SDL? Nov 23 18:06:29 what a sick way to spend the night Nov 23 18:06:38 yeah but I'm a python dev, not C Nov 23 18:10:17 * lophyte is looking for pygtk projects to work on Nov 23 18:31:54 fuck Nov 23 18:32:28 ? Nov 23 18:32:29 where is libqdm3 ? Nov 23 18:32:57 or whaterver is the lib maemo mapper it2008 wants Nov 23 18:33:24 no idea, I've not installed it yet Nov 23 18:34:54 still no n810 in the uk store :( Nov 23 18:35:57 I'm having trouble trying to connect to my college's wifi with the n800/os2k8, using WPA/PEAP/MSCHAPv2... It just says "Authentication failed. Try again". Is there any way of viewing a logfile or something? There's nothing of interest in /var/log/. Nov 23 18:36:37 flatface: did you try dmesg? Nov 23 18:36:43 flatface: or install syslog Nov 23 18:36:58 (it floods alot, so don't keep it on when you don't want it) Nov 23 18:37:55 I'll try that, keesj, thanks Nov 23 18:38:10 kulve: Will do, if I find out how to tether it to my laptop (or copy the deb file over) Nov 23 18:39:53 Nothing in dmesg Nov 23 18:43:03 I think the sysklogd depends on klogd. Connect the n800 to your laptop, copy the file to usb mass storage, install the deps Nov 23 18:44:19 kk. Nov 23 18:49:18 * flatface starts to doze off while waiting for maemo.org to load Nov 23 18:49:53 it's all the automatic news announcement checker scripts Nov 23 18:50:40 Ack. Aren't they using RSS? Nov 23 18:51:01 I'm only joking, they have other issues for some reason Nov 23 18:51:29 Ah, heh Nov 23 18:52:51 Hm, can't find klogd or syslog at downloads.maemo.org under os2k7. Is it part of the SDK? Nov 23 19:03:25 Aha! Got it connected. I had to set it up like explained on some forum thread... I tried connecting, it gave me an error, I reconnected, it gave me a different message, but it works fine now Nov 23 19:04:20 Thanks for the suggestions Nov 23 19:18:35 Morning all Nov 23 19:27:23 Morning. Nov 23 19:27:24 <_Monkey> aloha Nov 23 19:34:40 Working on debugging dates crash issue - I seem to be a bit rusty on this debugging stuff in particular use of LD_LIBRARY_PATH. So I guess it's time to ask for a little help...I have a debug version of libecal and have tried setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH to point to it, yet when I run run-standalone.sh gdb ./dates and reproduce the crash it still does not give me the line number of the crash - and various messages mentionin Nov 23 19:35:40 I've heard that you won't get any useful debugging info from armel binaries unless you recompile them without the -fomit-frame-pointer flag Nov 23 19:35:53 The man page on ld is a bit confusing - my memory says that I should use LD_LIBRARY_PATH for link time changes, and LD_RUN_PATH for run-time changes of search path - I have tried both and neither seem to work as I hope them to Nov 23 19:35:54 people usually recommed debugging in a x86 target in scratchbox Nov 23 19:36:26 mgedmin: thanks - interesting. So far I'm using SDK_X86 for my target though Nov 23 19:36:53 ah, okay Nov 23 19:37:05 hm, LD_LIBRARY_PATH ... no idea Nov 23 19:38:07 yes, I thought LD_LIBRARY_PATH would work too. That is what you are saying? right? Nov 23 20:01:22 is maemo.org down at the moment? Nov 23 20:06:29 seems to be Nov 23 20:06:33 (again) Nov 23 20:06:46 and it's friday. Maybe it's back up on monday.. Nov 23 20:18:05 It works for me at the moment? Nov 23 20:18:31 ditto Nov 23 20:24:28 wow n810 pushed back Nov 23 20:25:12 rubiks: It isn't pushed back. They sell loads of them. Nov 23 20:25:18 On the other side of the pond ;) Nov 23 20:25:25 o ok Nov 23 20:25:30 i c now Nov 23 20:25:51 so os2008 still for dec? Nov 23 20:25:53 I guess they wanted to have enough there for Thanksgiving orso :D Nov 23 20:27:44 It is anyones guess when OS2008 will be out for N800. On a friday most likely. But which one... Nov 23 20:39:01 any maemo hackers here? Nov 23 20:39:25 I'm trying to decipher the maemo wiki page on debugging setup Nov 23 20:40:25 hey people! Nov 23 20:40:27 something about native gdb versus maemo gdb (why is there even a difference?) under scratchboc Nov 23 20:40:41 a new Os2008 release for N810 is out! Nov 23 20:40:45 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php?f=RX-44_2008SE_1.2007.42-19_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin Nov 23 20:41:09 really don't know what it fixes, but it's out Nov 23 20:41:34 yes, we have see :) Nov 23 20:42:03 ah ok ;) Nov 23 20:42:17 ok, see ya later :) Nov 23 20:42:21 In addition the page describes the native gdb as being located at /usr/bin/gdb and the one which should be used for debugging particularly if one cares about threads - yet goes on to describe setting up an alias which seems to set the sb scratchbox ignore redirect environ var - which, as I understand it from earlier on the page - is how you get to the NON-NATIVE or maemo version of gdb... Nov 23 20:42:37 great - conflicting info it seems to me - at the least confusing Nov 23 20:43:45 This make sense to anyone else? http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/maemo_debugging_guide.html Am I wrong in my understanding - perhaps I have it backwards and one must use that variable to get the native gdb Nov 23 20:43:57 ..confused Nov 23 20:49:40 The doc remains confusing - due in part to introducing more terminology. First they describe "scratchbox supplied gdb" , then the other variety which is "maemo gdb" Then proceed to say always to use something called "native gdb" - Apparently this means the one installed by apt-get install gdb otherwise known as "maemo gdb". I will try this...and see if it works Nov 23 20:51:52 niteOwl: Yes, it is. Started installing 2008 dev in a vmware vm last night after the stuff fest (Thanksgiving) and I think I screwed it up being in a too much food induced coma at the time :-). Going to see if I can recover today :-). Nov 23 20:52:40 Wish there was a vmware appliance for 2008, but all there is, is for 2006 and 2007... Nov 23 20:53:04 I knew I should have snapshotted that before I started after dinner :). Nov 23 20:55:13 I accidentally uninstalled osso-browser.. is there a way to restore it? Nov 23 21:05:44 lophyte: apt-get install osso-browser? Nov 23 21:05:56 doesn't exist Nov 23 21:06:57 hmm.. so it seems.. Nov 23 21:09:01 yeah Nov 23 21:09:04 hence why I asked Nov 23 21:14:32 Any dev's around that might be able to tell me if, presuming I screwed up the dev stuff install, if I can just start over or do I need to re-install deb again before I do? Nov 23 21:19:04 scratchbox borken: :-( maemo-af-desktop did not exit properly on the previous session. All home plugins will be disabled. Nov 23 21:19:09 any ideas? Nov 23 21:40:05 ok broken sb fixed - just needed to run af-sb-init.sh stop Nov 23 21:41:06 still need to figure out why LD_LRARY_PATH is not helping me easily switch to using a debug version of the library where a problem is occuring... Nov 23 21:41:23 LD_LIBRARY_PATH (of course) Nov 23 21:47:23 niteOwl, there was another envvar that you had to set, in sbox LD_LIBRARY_PATH is not the right one Nov 23 22:32:08 evening all... Nov 23 22:33:13 evenning... Nov 23 22:34:28 I removed rapsody using application manager, but it is still on the menu, how do I get rid of it from there? Nov 23 22:34:52 Also, fmradio doesn't have a menu entry, is there some way to make one for it? Nov 23 22:48:23 Figured out fmradio :). Nov 23 22:48:33 Now to get rid of rapsody... Nov 23 22:56:00 Squashed the little bugger... Nov 23 22:56:08 :-). Nov 23 22:56:21 Less sure would be nice to have... Nov 23 22:56:59 * GNUton wants a n810! :/ Nov 23 22:57:01 less is in the sdk repository Nov 23 22:57:52 kaltsi: Tried apt-get install less and it didn't work :-(. Nov 23 22:58:03 what did it say? Nov 23 22:58:17 hold, lemme move the term over here. Nov 23 22:58:45 Nokia-N800-39:/# apt-get install less Nov 23 22:58:45 Reading package lists... Done Nov 23 22:58:45 Building dependency tree... Done Nov 23 22:58:45 elb: Couldn't find package less Nov 23 22:59:00 do you have the sdk repository? Nov 23 22:59:10 repository.maemo.org bora free non-free Nov 23 22:59:15 Probably missing the right repository, lets see if I can figure that one out :). Nov 23 22:59:17 (for os2007) Nov 23 22:59:27 Thank you Sir, just what I need! Nov 23 22:59:39 for os2008 otherwise the same but chinook instead of bora Nov 23 22:59:49 still on 2007 here... Nov 23 23:00:11 Going to wipe the deb vm install and start all over to get the 2008 sdk installed. Nov 23 23:00:28 THis time I won't start it after Thanksgiving dinner :) Nov 23 23:00:39 :) Nov 23 23:03:24 Even got it entered in application manager correctly, I think, trying again. Nov 23 23:04:27 hm? Nov 23 23:04:49 you might want to install it from command line (xterm) with apt-get Nov 23 23:05:48 kaltsi: Yes, couldn't find it in the application manager, installed from cli with no problem. MUCH appreciated! Nov 23 23:05:58 no prob :) Nov 23 23:06:13 After being stuck with more for the first time in AGES, less is indeed more :-). Nov 23 23:06:26 the app manager needs to be in 'red pill' mode to see it there, but I can't recommend that unless you want to see tons of sdk related packages there too Nov 23 23:06:56 kaltsi: Understand, I had red pill set, but changed back because of the quantity shown :). Nov 23 23:07:13 Need a button to set and reset it :). LOL. Nov 23 23:07:16 FOOD! Nov 24 00:06:05 zZzZz :P Nov 24 00:06:16 wake up guys!!!! Nov 24 00:09:21 .o/ Nov 24 00:10:35 tsavola: :) Nov 24 01:14:28 * pupnik rubs his hands hunched over. New developerzzes. Yess eexcellent. Nov 24 02:12:51 What's happening to the dollar? Here's the answer. http://www.shadowstats.com/cgi-bin/sgs/data Nov 24 02:19:30 yay, I gots my N810 Nov 24 02:19:41 nice! Nov 24 02:20:08 screen noticeably better? Nov 24 02:20:10 There's no | on the keyboard Nov 24 02:20:14 I've never used an N800 Nov 24 02:20:18 So I can't say Nov 24 02:20:19 ok Nov 24 02:20:37 I need to remap these symbols to things like ` and | Nov 24 02:21:02 yeah there should be multiple maps - one for the shell for e..g Nov 24 02:21:07 is the shell still busybox? Nov 24 02:21:13 Yeah, i think it was Nov 24 02:21:17 I can look in a minute Nov 24 02:21:36 I'm looking for the download link for the OS2008 update they have out. I can't seem to find it Nov 24 02:21:44 Also Maemo.org appears to be down Nov 24 02:22:06 where exactly i need to request the n810 ? i don't found it on my profile section Nov 24 02:22:31 Thana64: not sure :/ Nov 24 02:23:10 In order to apply go to your maemo profile (same login as the so-called Garage account) and make your request there. Please read carefully the instructions, terms and conditions. Nov 24 02:23:14 i don't found anything Nov 24 02:30:50 seems finished :/ Nov 24 02:35:48 hmm Nov 24 02:35:56 maemo.org not responding for me Nov 24 02:41:59 seems down since some minutes, yes Nov 24 02:54:25 yeah Nov 24 02:54:40 I wonder if they run that site on one of the tablets :) Nov 24 02:55:40 :+) Nov 24 02:56:37 my site could be hosted on a tablet. all static and under 500MB **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Nov 24 02:59:57 2007