**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Nov 26 02:59:57 2007
Nov 26 03:05:30 <pupnik> nice find with that Youtube of the wii camera controller
Nov 26 04:34:27 <troof> can someone tell me how i can bypass the product id so i can put the newer os on my 770?
Nov 26 04:36:11 <pupnik> you can put 2007he on 770
Nov 26 04:36:31 <pupnik> 2007he?
Nov 26 04:36:32 <_Monkey> i guess 2007he is really great
Nov 26 04:37:44 <pupnik> http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_770.php
Nov 26 04:39:41 <troof> is there any way i can put the n800 software on my 770
Nov 26 04:39:56 <troof> erk
Nov 26 04:41:17 <troof> thankyou pupnik i will use the 2007 hacker version for now
Nov 26 04:41:20 <pupnik> yes, OS2007 gets you N800 software on 770
Nov 26 04:41:52 <pupnik> s/OS2007/OS2007HE/
Nov 26 04:41:53 <infobot> pupnik meant: yes, OS2007HE gets you N800 software on 770
Nov 26 04:41:59 <troof> appreciate it, i couldn't find this for some reason
Nov 26 04:42:12 <troof> and my product id worked yay
Nov 26 04:42:23 <pupnik> yw :)
Nov 26 04:42:46 <troof> i just hope mapper doesn't give me any problems, i really want to try the 2.05 ? release
Nov 26 05:01:56 <trevarthan> Hey, has there been any work writing GUI apps for Maemo as client/server web pages?
Nov 26 05:02:12 <trevarthan> I've seen this: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2007/apache/
Nov 26 05:02:36 <trevarthan> And this: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/serverbrowserappdevelopment/
Nov 26 05:02:55 <trevarthan> Seems like a really great idea.
Nov 26 05:03:14 <trevarthan> Anyone have any thoughts on it?
Nov 26 05:09:58 <oil_> pupnik: you mean that the 0S2007 sw would run on 770?
Nov 26 05:22:57 <dick-richardson> how do you flash the new firmware onto the n810? "sudo ./flasher-3.0 -r RX-44_2008SE_1.2007.42-19_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R" doesn't work...i'm getting "Finishing flashing... Sending request 0x52 failed!" "Unable to get error strings: Connection timed out"
Nov 26 05:23:11 <dick-richardson> the md5sum for the downlaod is correct
Nov 26 05:32:36 <dick-richardson> nm, wrong command
Nov 26 05:35:11 <lopz> bye
Nov 26 05:42:12 <Prez> n810, lucky guy...
Nov 26 05:42:21 <Prez> waiting for IT2008 for n800
Nov 26 05:44:50 <truls> is there an equivalent for gnome-open in bora?
Nov 26 05:45:09 <truls> to open a file with the default hildon-registered program?
Nov 26 05:45:18 <truls> (from the command-line or from a program)
Nov 26 05:49:01 <oil_> I'm thinking how to use wii-remote with n800. would there be some practical use cases for it?
Nov 26 05:49:38 <Prez> is wii-remote bluetooth?
Nov 26 05:49:49 <astro76> would be useful just as a bluetooth gamepad
Nov 26 05:49:50 <astro76> yes
Nov 26 05:49:53 <oil_> last night I played wiirider game on N95 so that the controls came from Wii-remote
Nov 26 05:50:10 <astro76> great for fceu :)
Nov 26 05:50:18 <astro76> would be
Nov 26 05:50:19 <oil_> this one http://www.symbianresources.com/projects/wiirider.php
Nov 26 05:50:26 <oil_> what is fceu?
Nov 26 05:50:27 <_Monkey> fceu is, like, really strange, when i click on a button (A/B/select/start) it stretches the screen while i click
Nov 26 05:50:48 <astro76> fceu is an nes emulator
Nov 26 05:51:55 <oil_> wii-remote could be also nice remote controller for multimediaserver when using TV as display
Nov 26 05:55:39 <oil_> then the other way around. installing wii-remote to an 'rc'-car, connect leds and rumble to car controls. then use n800 to drive the car (and why not write programs to teach the car how to drive)
Nov 26 05:57:14 <l7> http://www.slashgear.com/copycat-chinese-gps-borrows-heavily-from-n800-125714.php
Nov 26 05:57:26 <l7> old news, but interesting
Nov 26 05:58:32 <Prez> This is why I never program anymore, things like this distract me... http://fmedina.smugmug.com/gallery/3829376#221423997
Nov 26 05:58:49 <Prez> 4 days of that...
Nov 26 05:59:53 <pupnik_> that's you?
Nov 26 06:00:08 <Prez> that picture of a hot friend..
Nov 26 06:00:41 <pupnik_> http://fmedina.smugmug.com/gallery/3829376#221423402  i like the pool and the plants
Nov 26 06:00:47 <pupnik_> i want a house like that
Nov 26 06:04:05 <Prez> haha
Nov 26 06:04:12 <Prez> u can rent it, it's a hotel
Nov 26 06:04:32 <Prez> in San Juan del Sur, Nicaragua
Nov 26 06:04:40 <pupnik_> pretty
Nov 26 06:05:08 <pupnik_> i wouldn't touch computers if i had money
Nov 26 06:05:18 <Prez> haha
Nov 26 06:07:36 <l7> hey, who uses boxwave screen protectors?
Nov 26 06:07:53 <l7> i'm trying to decide between the Crystal and the Anti-Glare
Nov 26 06:08:17 <oil_> Prez: you are from Nicaragua?
Nov 26 06:08:34 <astro76> l7, I am using the crystal
Nov 26 06:08:43 <l7> astro76: how do you like it?
Nov 26 06:08:56 <astro76> l7, I love it, feels great, installs easy
Nov 26 06:09:04 <l7> i got the rough impression that the crystal is like a glossy lcd screen, is that true?
Nov 26 06:09:09 <astro76> l7, if you had a lot of outdoor/car use, you might consider the anti-glare
Nov 26 06:09:19 <astro76> l7, the crystal is like having nothing on your screen at all
Nov 26 06:09:24 <l7> ah nice
Nov 26 06:09:34 <l7> is the anti-glare one a little duller?
Nov 26 06:09:36 <astro76> l7, I don't feel it adds any extra reflectivity whatsoever
Nov 26 06:09:47 <astro76> l7, supposedly 90% transmission vs 99%
Nov 26 06:10:01 <l7> or maybe it produces a slight discoloration like anti-glare eyeglass coatings
Nov 26 06:10:03 <astro76> I haven't seen the anti-glare in person
Nov 26 06:10:08 <l7> hrm
Nov 26 06:10:19 <l7> what brightness setting do you usually use?
Nov 26 06:10:34 <oil_> Prez: http://oil.iki.fi/Travel/2001/Nicaragua/Ometepe/Image75.html ;) Actually nice country and very beatiful scenary.. but the rice and beans suck after a week ;)
Nov 26 06:11:11 <astro76> l7, usually the top 2/3 of the range
Nov 26 06:11:20 <astro76> max mostly ;)
Nov 26 06:11:25 <l7> ah
Nov 26 06:11:33 <l7> hrm, maybe i'll start with the crystal
Nov 26 06:11:59 <l7> it does claim that the anti-glare improve handwriting recognition
Nov 26 06:12:04 <l7> perhaps it makes the screen more paperlike
Nov 26 06:12:20 <Prez> oil_: wow, funny, u've been here... i agree if all u eat are rice and beans, u go nuts
Nov 26 06:12:23 <l7> astro76: is the crystal easy to remove and reapply?
Nov 26 06:12:33 <astro76> it seemed to me that the crystal even improved finger touch operation
Nov 26 06:12:36 <astro76> l7, very, you can wash it
Nov 26 06:13:21 <l7> hmm, i guess it makes more sense to start with the crystal then and see if glare is troublesome :)
Nov 26 06:13:35 <oil_> Prez: yes. while backpacking the money is quite limites .. and therefore need to eat as cheap as possible :)
Nov 26 06:13:45 <Prez> oil_: haha...
Nov 26 06:14:08 <astro76> l7, what do you have on now?
Nov 26 06:14:19 <Prez> oil_: whre u from, finland?
Nov 26 06:14:22 <l7> astro76: nothing, the n800 is in the mail :)
Nov 26 06:14:31 <astro76> l7, ah :D
Nov 26 06:14:36 <l7> does the n800 come with some sort of screen protector?
Nov 26 06:14:38 <oil_> Prez: originally yes. now living between singapore and thailand.
Nov 26 06:14:53 <l7> i saw from the unbox that there is a shiny bit of plastic with a tab on it
Nov 26 06:15:01 <l7> not sure if that is the "screen protector"
Nov 26 06:15:28 <astro76> l7, it does, you can use it with it on... won't last too long though I'd imagine
Nov 26 06:15:38 <Prez> oil_: wow, yep, just read ur bio... working no N series stuff?
Nov 26 06:15:50 <l7> hrm
Nov 26 06:15:59 <l7> any idea where to get a voucher code for boxwave?
Nov 26 06:16:15 <l7> i'm wondering if i should order direct or use amazon for more protection
Nov 26 06:16:31 <astro76> l7, I've ordered direct twice, very fast service
Nov 26 06:16:56 <oil_> Prez: kind of a mixture. normally voip etc. but n800 is a great proof-of-concept device.. as it's possible to shell scripting to it :)
Nov 26 06:17:13 <l7> astro76: how long did it take to ship / arrive?
Nov 26 06:18:04 <Prez> oil_: cool... is it2008 shipping early december for n800?
Nov 26 06:18:15 <astro76> l7, last order shipped on 11/1, arrived on 11/3 ;)
Nov 26 06:18:30 <oil_> Prez: sorry, I don't know. :)
Nov 26 06:18:52 <l7> astro76: with the $2.50 shipping option?
Nov 26 06:19:32 <astro76> l7, yes
Nov 26 06:20:05 <mbuf> "darcs failed: Failed to download URL http://scratchbox.org/repos/1.0/sb-toolchain-extras/_darcs/inventory" how can it be resolved?
Nov 26 06:20:05 <oil_> Prez: I'm not directly working with it. just using it as a user.
Nov 26 06:20:13 <Prez> oil_: got it...
Nov 26 06:22:25 <mbuf> how do i find out which version of scratchbox i am using?
Nov 26 06:29:25 <pupnik_> N810: WHEN?
Nov 26 06:29:30 <pupnik_> When N810?
Nov 26 06:29:43 <pupnik_> When is then?
Nov 26 06:30:02 <pupnik_> When?
Nov 26 06:30:28 <Prez> pupnik_: what u got now, n800?
Nov 26 06:31:03 <pupnik_> 770
Nov 26 06:32:20 <Segnale007> hi there
Nov 26 06:32:20 <_Monkey> niihau, Segnale007
Nov 26 06:32:33 <Segnale007> how is it going ?
Nov 26 06:32:39 <K`zan> Finally seem to have gotten ubuntu streightend out!
Nov 26 06:33:01 <pupnik_> you fdisked it?
Nov 26 06:33:34 <Segnale007> so .. I wanna get a n800 .. but i need to know somenthing about it
Nov 26 06:33:45 <Segnale007> I have few questions about
Nov 26 06:33:46 * Prez is waiting for new ThinkPad X61 to get ubuntu straightened out...
Nov 26 06:33:56 <K`zan> Great device, get one :-).  Buy com bas them for $199 :)
Nov 26 06:34:04 <Segnale007> fluxbox or xfce running on it ?
Nov 26 06:34:12 <Segnale007> I need a sip client
Nov 26 06:34:20 <Segnale007> on fbsd i use xlite
Nov 26 06:34:32 <K`zan> Not sure what the wm is on it, but there are several SIP clients.
Nov 26 06:34:35 <Segnale007> exist a sip client for it ?
Nov 26 06:34:48 <Segnale007> sorry my lang so poor and bad
Nov 26 06:34:56 <K`zan> Gizmo, Twinkle, Skype.
Nov 26 06:35:03 <K`zan> That I know of :-).
Nov 26 06:35:06 <Segnale007> uhm ..
Nov 26 06:35:18 <K`zan> Segnale007: You are doing better in mine than I would in yours :-)!
Nov 26 06:35:33 <Segnale007> but I need to configure the sip client with my provider voip
Nov 26 06:35:33 <K`zan> I have had mine about a week now, love it more by the day.
Nov 26 06:35:43 <Segnale007> just freecall and justvoip
Nov 26 06:35:54 <Prez> K`zan: u got n800 or n810?
Nov 26 06:35:57 <K`zan> Look up Twinkle and Gizmo
Nov 26 06:36:05 <Segnale007> ok man .. ty
Nov 26 06:36:09 <K`zan> n800, I want my own choice of keyboard and GPS.
Nov 26 06:36:17 <K`zan> I rather like Twinkle.
Nov 26 06:36:30 <Segnale007> ;)
Nov 26 06:36:31 <K`zan> Gizmo seems flakey to some degree, but it does work.
Nov 26 06:36:36 <Segnale007> I try it ..
Nov 26 06:36:45 <hugol1> Gizmo is not open source btw
Nov 26 06:36:48 <K`zan> Oops, Twinkle doesn't run on the n800...
Nov 26 06:36:57 <Segnale007> uhm
Nov 26 06:36:58 <K`zan> Yes, but...
Nov 26 06:36:58 <_Monkey> i think but is the charging status same as being connected to the cord?
Nov 26 06:37:03 <Segnale007> and than..gizmo ?
Nov 26 06:37:22 <K`zan> There is a SIP client built in I think?!?
Nov 26 06:37:29 <K`zan> Now that I think about it...
Nov 26 06:37:36 <Segnale007> I don't know
Nov 26 06:37:42 <K`zan> Yes, major strike against Gizmo.
Nov 26 06:37:48 <Segnale007> I need to configure it with freecall
Nov 26 06:37:52 <Segnale007> ok man
Nov 26 06:37:54 <Segnale007> ty
Nov 26 06:38:18 <K`zan> Glad to help, but as noted, I have had mine about a week now :-) so I am relatively clueless in this group.
Nov 26 06:39:34 <hugol1> Segnale007:  http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org/
Nov 26 06:39:41 <Segnale007> you ok man
Nov 26 06:39:42 <oil_> there are several sip voip providers in the world. good to be able to use the services with maemo as well
Nov 26 06:39:45 <Segnale007> ty so much
Nov 26 06:40:01 <Segnale007> so good :)
Nov 26 06:41:09 <K`zan> I just wish I could figure out the audio on my roomies deb box to get it where she can talk and hear with twinkle, other than that it works fine :-).  Another project to the list :).
Nov 26 06:41:11 <Segnale007> beautiful .. look perfect fo my ..
Nov 26 06:41:20 <hugol1> Segnale007:  it seems like sip is suported directly by the n800 mesaging system with that update
Nov 26 06:41:44 <Segnale007> yah ..
Nov 26 06:43:04 <Segnale007> just today I going to get it ..
Nov 26 06:43:23 <hugol1> haha, Segnale007 I got mine 3 days ago and its great
Nov 26 06:43:37 <Segnale007> I'm sure about :)
Nov 26 06:43:56 <Segnale007> after .. I wanna try a port arm of NetBSD
Nov 26 06:44:03 <Segnale007> hope it working good
Nov 26 06:44:05 <K`zan> Snarfing that update now, thanks!
Nov 26 06:44:35 <Segnale007> I juste love bsd sistemy
Nov 26 06:45:24 <Segnale007> personally ..  I love freebsd
Nov 26 06:45:28 <Segnale007> :P
Nov 26 06:46:16 <K`zan> Several things it won;t run, other wise I'd be running bsd in some form :)
Nov 26 06:46:49 <Segnale007> uhm ..
Nov 26 06:56:56 <rubiks> http://youtube.com/watch?v=6hKWM5Z1zds
Nov 26 06:57:03 <rubiks> very funny
Nov 26 06:58:40 <pupnik_> too real
Nov 26 06:59:16 <rene4jaz3> hi, I can not setup graphical output on my arm target :(
Nov 26 06:59:43 <rene4jaz3> I'm using the Xvnc/vncviewer way
Nov 26 07:02:25 <pupnik> export DISPLAY variable?
Nov 26 07:02:30 <db48x> rene4jaz3: it'll probably be much easier to just run another xserver outside of scratchbox
Nov 26 07:02:50 <rene4jaz3> 127.0.0.0:1
Nov 26 07:03:23 <db48x> that ip address is wrong
Nov 26 07:03:28 <db48x> you can just leave it out
Nov 26 07:03:33 <pupnik> ahaha
Nov 26 07:03:39 <db48x> DISPLAY=:1
Nov 26 07:03:48 <rene4jaz3> I use Xephyr on my host_pc target and works fine, but not for my arm target
Nov 26 07:04:05 <kulve> 127.0.0.0 vs. 127.0.0.1
Nov 26 07:04:11 <db48x> run Xepher from outside of scratchbox
Nov 26 07:04:30 <db48x> there's no need for it to be inside
Nov 26 07:05:44 <db48x> is your scratchbox set up inside of a virtual machine?
Nov 26 07:08:43 <K`zan> hugol1: Is that SIP update good to go, big beta note there made me wonder.
Nov 26 07:09:26 <rene4jaz3> db48x: my scracthbox is not inside a VM
Nov 26 07:09:36 <db48x> ok
Nov 26 07:10:02 <rene4jaz3> I run Xephyr from outside scractchbox
Nov 26 07:10:10 <db48x> I run Xephyr not just outside of scratchbox, but also outside of the vm it's in
Nov 26 07:10:38 <db48x> rene4jaz3: ok. it just sounded like you weren't. I'd bet it was just your DISPLAY variable then
Nov 26 07:11:08 <db48x> bbl
Nov 26 07:12:00 <rene4jaz3> is was working well with my host_pc target, the problem came when I switched to arm target
Nov 26 07:13:17 <rene4jaz3> I tried with the 127.0.0.1:1 value (Since the first time, I mis write the number on the chat)
Nov 26 07:13:57 <rene4jaz3> db48x: do you use Xephyr or Xvnc way?
Nov 26 07:26:54 <cookie> hello
Nov 26 07:26:59 <K`zan> Night folks!
Nov 26 07:28:06 <cookie> u from usa?
Nov 26 07:31:29 <rene4jaz3> can any one show me how he/she setups the graphical output form arm targets?
Nov 26 07:31:54 <pupnik> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_rBidCkJxo  Here is howto
Nov 26 07:38:40 <Prez> pupnik: niiiiiiiiiiiiiice
Nov 26 07:39:32 <pupnik> that is going on my 770
Nov 26 07:47:35 <cookie> pupnik: hey
Nov 26 07:52:09 <timelyx> quick question
Nov 26 07:52:16 <timelyx> what's nokia's primary business activity? :)
Nov 26 07:52:22 <timelyx> 	Information Technology Related
Nov 26 07:52:22 <timelyx> 	Telecommunications
Nov 26 07:52:24 <timelyx> :)
Nov 26 07:56:01 <ab> в духе Прачетта: Почему президентов России не зовут Игорь?
Nov 26 07:56:11 <timelyx> English
Nov 26 07:57:56 <ab> timelyx: yep, wrong channel window
Nov 26 08:01:41 <pupnik> i want Nokia to do an advertisement on the N810 that emphasizes the freedom ... to do internet wherever you want
Nov 26 08:01:44 <pupnik> and use this song!
Nov 26 08:01:52 <pupnik> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RT-IOkVP4B4  - Ween - Freedom of 76
Nov 26 08:02:08 <cookie> I still don't lke the n800
Nov 26 08:02:16 <cookie> I mean...the aspect...the design
Nov 26 08:02:29 <cookie> I like the 770 more than all 3 of them
Nov 26 08:03:14 <l7> timelyx: making tons of money selling internet tablets :)
Nov 26 08:03:31 <cookie> you?
Nov 26 08:03:37 <cookie> l7: You sell tem
Nov 26 08:03:38 <pupnik> http://pupnik.de/Nokia970sm4.png  cookie
Nov 26 08:03:40 <cookie> them*
Nov 26 08:04:04 <timelyx> cookie: English here depresses me
Nov 26 08:04:05 <l7> cookie: er no..
Nov 26 08:04:11 <timelyx> albeit less than any other language
Nov 26 08:04:34 <l7> 22:22 < timelyx> what's nokia's primary business activity? :) -> l7> timelyx: making tons of money selling internet tablets :)
Nov 26 08:04:37 <timelyx> you could say that you like the 770 the best of all 3
Nov 26 08:04:38 <cookie> pupnik: that is what you would like it to look like?
Nov 26 08:04:47 <l7> i was kidding
Nov 26 08:04:58 <pupnik> cookie: just one idea :) yeah
Nov 26 08:05:03 <timelyx> l7: i liked that response. but i don't think they had a fill in the blank entry
Nov 26 08:05:21 <cookie> pupnik: I think(NO DUH) that the best one is the n810
Nov 26 08:05:27 <timelyx> pupnik: is that photoshop?
Nov 26 08:05:31 <l7> timelyx: were you looking at some kind of quiz?
Nov 26 08:05:32 <cookie> but I still like the 770
Nov 26 08:05:32 <pupnik> gimp
Nov 26 08:05:39 <timelyx> l7: survey
Nov 26 08:05:42 <cookie> It's 1337
Nov 26 08:05:47 <l7> what is the url?
Nov 26 08:05:53 <cookie> and the n810 is too fancy
Nov 26 08:05:55 <timelyx> um
Nov 26 08:06:03 <timelyx> http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2222015,00.asp
Nov 26 08:06:06 <timelyx> but it's random
Nov 26 08:06:10 <timelyx> you might not get it
Nov 26 08:06:11 <l7> oh ok
Nov 26 08:06:26 <timelyx> (actually odds are pretty much against you getting it)
Nov 26 08:06:59 <l7> yup, no quiz
Nov 26 08:07:06 <Prez> laterz, bedtime..
Nov 26 08:07:08 <l7> 2 random stories about nokia though
Nov 26 08:07:10 <pupnik> cu Prez
Nov 26 08:07:24 <l7> that does remind me i should shop for cybermonday deals
Nov 26 08:07:38 <l7> i doubt there are many deals for n800 cases or screen guards
Nov 26 08:07:46 <l7> maybe for sd cards
Nov 26 08:08:29 <timelyx> i need someone to find me free shipping on books
Nov 26 08:08:45 <timelyx> and then i should just order lots of books leveraging the weak dollar :)
Nov 26 08:10:42 <l7> lol
Nov 26 08:10:48 <timelyx> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/25/AR2007112501548.html
Nov 26 08:10:50 <l7> timelyx: do you live outside the US?
Nov 26 08:10:54 <timelyx> yes...
Nov 26 08:11:07 <timelyx> i earn eur but would rather consumer usd
Nov 26 08:11:13 <l7> i've been wondering about why it's been so hard for people to get n800 gear shipped outside the US
Nov 26 08:11:18 <timelyx> since everything is overpriced in eur
Nov 26 08:11:20 <l7> haha
Nov 26 08:11:33 <timelyx> hrm... overvalued too
Nov 26 08:11:43 <timelyx> i mean, why would i want a microwave that doesn't have a popcorn button
Nov 26 08:11:49 <timelyx> it doesn't even have numbers...
Nov 26 08:11:53 <timelyx> but it's still expensive
Nov 26 08:11:59 <timelyx> gah...
Nov 26 08:11:59 <l7> it'll be a huge bargain while sellers continue to sell this cheap
Nov 26 08:12:19 <l7> i think they will have to mark up their prices in dollars eventually though
Nov 26 08:12:30 <timelyx> can't afford to
Nov 26 08:12:41 <timelyx> anyone dumb enough to do so abandons the market
Nov 26 08:12:47 <timelyx> american consumers can't afford the inflation
Nov 26 08:12:56 <l7> true..
Nov 26 08:12:59 <timelyx> and would either by from a competitor or another market
Nov 26 08:13:07 <l7> i wish i could earn euros now though :)
Nov 26 08:13:09 <timelyx> (instead of a phone, they buy a game)
Nov 26 08:13:23 <l7> i guess that means they'll have to hold their dollars and hope for a rebound
Nov 26 08:13:29 <l7> or just take the losses
Nov 26 08:13:35 <timelyx> pretty much
Nov 26 08:14:04 <timelyx> probably they'd try to hold dollars or pay for services w/ dollars they've received
Nov 26 08:14:16 <l7> maybe that's one of the reasons it's hard to get certain products mail ordered to the EU?
Nov 26 08:14:20 <timelyx> avoiding any usd=>* conversions
Nov 26 08:14:32 <timelyx> if you mean it devices...
Nov 26 08:14:48 <timelyx> since the original vendor wants you to buy it in the eu
Nov 26 08:14:55 <timelyx> and pay the eu price...
Nov 26 08:15:13 <timelyx> but basically most us stores don't have any interest in selling overseas
Nov 26 08:15:16 <timelyx> why would they?
Nov 26 08:15:22 <timelyx> you're a complicated expensive customer
Nov 26 08:15:25 <l7> yeah, the n800 was about $200 this weekend...
Nov 26 08:15:31 <timelyx> and they have more than enough local customers
Nov 26 08:15:36 <l7> like 130-140 euros i guess
Nov 26 08:15:38 <timelyx> for whom they need to compete
Nov 26 08:15:47 <timelyx> 200 U.S. dollars = 135.6392 Euros
Nov 26 08:16:16 <timelyx> you're probably best off finding a friend in the states and offering to pay for shipping
Nov 26 08:16:17 <l7> hmm
Nov 26 08:16:26 <l7> well i am in the states :)
Nov 26 08:16:33 <timelyx> be someone's friend? :)
Nov 26 08:16:39 <l7> which i why i wish i could earn euros :)
Nov 26 08:16:45 <timelyx> yeah yeah
Nov 26 08:16:50 <l7> sure, why not? :)
Nov 26 08:16:53 <timelyx> but heck, even cad's are useful today
Nov 26 08:16:54 <hugol1> |7 I earn euros
Nov 26 08:17:02 <hugol1> the problem is I have to pay euros as well
Nov 26 08:17:08 <timelyx> hugol1: not true :)
Nov 26 08:17:13 <l7> yeah, higher wages = higher prices
Nov 26 08:17:22 <l7> well, mostly
Nov 26 08:17:24 <hugol1> timelyx:  not true what?
Nov 26 08:17:25 <timelyx> l7 will gladly spend your eur as usd and ship it back for you :)
Nov 26 08:17:36 <l7> lol
Nov 26 08:17:42 <l7> i have 0 eur
Nov 26 08:17:53 <hugol1> timelyx: sure, Ill keep that in mind
Nov 26 08:18:02 <timelyx> l7: you wouldn't get eur either way
Nov 26 08:18:05 <timelyx> just temporary usd
Nov 26 08:19:18 <hugol1> the only good thing about the euro so strong is now we can travel.
Nov 26 08:19:29 <timelyx> um
Nov 26 08:19:34 <timelyx> don't travel to europe :)
Nov 26 08:19:38 <timelyx> you can travel to the states
Nov 26 08:19:51 <l7> wow the CAD is beating the USD even
Nov 26 08:20:01 <timelyx> l7: has been for over a month
Nov 26 08:20:11 <timelyx> (it changed while i was vacationing in central europe)
Nov 26 08:20:13 <l7> yeah, this kind of sucks, since i've been wanting to travel
Nov 26 08:20:23 <timelyx> l7: you have 50 states
Nov 26 08:20:25 <timelyx> pick 2
Nov 26 08:20:29 <l7> bleh
Nov 26 08:20:32 <l7> i'm tired of the states
Nov 26 08:20:38 <l7> i want to see the world!
Nov 26 08:20:40 <timelyx> bad timing =(
Nov 26 08:20:44 <czr> go to venezuela ;-)
Nov 26 08:20:50 <l7> and make money with spending power
Nov 26 08:21:16 <czr> timeless, I updated 2376
Nov 26 08:21:27 * timelyx really should just watch czr
Nov 26 08:21:35 <l7> i guess it is a good time to buy stuff here
Nov 26 08:21:48 <czr> heh. I added some bugs yesterday! yes yes, it was me, I'm the one who keeps on introducing bugs into the SDK :-)
Nov 26 08:21:53 <hugol1> czr:  at least in Venezuela you have free healt
Nov 26 08:21:56 <hugol1> *health
Nov 26 08:22:04 <l7> heh
Nov 26 08:22:04 <czr> hugol1, my health is pretty free as it is :-)
Nov 26 08:22:07 <czr> but yeah, true :-)
Nov 26 08:22:32 <timelyx> czr: your health is free until you need services
Nov 26 08:22:35 <hugol1> if you have an illness you better be at Venezuela than at the US (unless you are very very reach)
Nov 26 08:22:37 <timelyx> then you get a 6mo wait :)
Nov 26 08:22:42 <l7> well if the venezulean currency goes down, it'll be cheaper to travel there
Nov 26 08:22:47 <hugol1> *rich
Nov 26 08:22:47 <l7> or less expensive i guess
Nov 26 08:23:00 <czr> timelyx, depends, but yeah. that wasn't what I meant though :-)
Nov 26 08:23:09 <timelyx> i know
Nov 26 08:23:16 <czr> I know you do
Nov 26 08:23:21 <l7> hugol1: are you in venezuela now?
Nov 26 08:23:28 <hugol1> no
Nov 26 08:23:31 <timelyx> but it bothers me when nordics proclaim the wonders of their health system
Nov 26 08:23:38 <timelyx> which is at least as broken as the us system
Nov 26 08:23:48 <czr> timelyx, it used to work much better here. still does in norway, so I hear.
Nov 26 08:23:49 <l7> how so?
Nov 26 08:24:08 <l7> i've heard the canadian health care system works well
Nov 26 08:24:15 <timelyx> l7: the cost per visit may be fixed theoretically
Nov 26 08:24:21 <timelyx> but if the number of visits climb
Nov 26 08:24:26 <timelyx> total costs must rise
Nov 26 08:24:30 <timelyx> so how do you deal w/ that?
Nov 26 08:24:35 <timelyx> either cut quality or visits
Nov 26 08:24:41 <l7> hmm
Nov 26 08:24:42 <timelyx> visits are cut by increasing wait
Nov 26 08:24:46 <hugol1> |7 I think the canadian health system only sounds good because is near US and is the one it gets compared too
Nov 26 08:24:50 <timelyx> and well,... they also cut quality
Nov 26 08:25:05 <hugol1> compare it to some european health system and will see
Nov 26 08:25:05 <l7> hmm, you mean if the total number of visits climb -> costs must rise or quality must go down?
Nov 26 08:25:28 <timelyx> as an American, i believe the reason the Canadian system works is that when there are problems Canadians go to the states
Nov 26 08:25:50 <timelyx> l7: or someone must enforce limits on visits
Nov 26 08:25:52 <czr> don't they have private health stuff in canada?
Nov 26 08:25:52 <timelyx> but yes
Nov 26 08:26:00 <hugol1> timelyx:  XD
Nov 26 08:26:02 <l7> timelyx: hmm, interesting theory
Nov 26 08:26:10 <timelyx> l7: forget theory
Nov 26 08:26:17 * pupnik has a mayo clinic janitor's apron
Nov 26 08:26:23 <hugol1> timelyx:  it wasnt a joke?
Nov 26 08:26:23 <dougb> is there an alternative way to download maps for the OS2008 app?
Nov 26 08:26:24 <timelyx> it's basic economics and there are decades of evidence
Nov 26 08:26:32 <l7> americans do spend more money per capita on healthcare though i think
Nov 26 08:26:42 <timelyx> dougb: find a friend w/ them
Nov 26 08:26:43 <timelyx> and copy
Nov 26 08:26:49 <l7> pupnik: er, how did you get that?
Nov 26 08:27:32 <timelyx> dougb: i'm not sure there are any legal ways
Nov 26 08:27:38 <timelyx> the map data is presumably (c) someone
Nov 26 08:27:39 <pupnik> it was lying around a laboratory i moved into
Nov 26 08:27:51 <ab> dougb: wayfinder.com
Nov 26 08:28:06 <ab> dougb: they are supplier of mapping technology in n810
Nov 26 08:28:16 <hugol1> timelyx:  what if you download the maps just for personal use, is that ilegal as well?
Nov 26 08:28:50 <timelyx> this isn't software
Nov 26 08:28:53 <timelyx> it's maps
Nov 26 08:28:59 <czr> timeless, it's copyright A+accent wayfinder
Nov 26 08:29:08 <timelyx> czr: no, that's the software
Nov 26 08:29:11 <czr> oh
Nov 26 08:29:19 <czr> hmm. the map data might be even worse then ;-)
Nov 26 08:29:20 <timelyx> the maps were copyright A+accent someone else :)
Nov 26 08:29:59 <czr> Tele Atlas N.V.
Nov 26 08:30:11 <czr> but that might depend on the map as well
Nov 26 08:30:18 <czr> this one covers scandinavia, so /me shrugs.
Nov 26 08:30:22 <timelyx> the about screen only listed one
Nov 26 08:30:31 <timelyx> (having read the mo flfe...)
Nov 26 08:30:32 <czr> I only have one map installed..
Nov 26 08:30:35 <czr> ah
Nov 26 08:30:35 <timelyx> blah
Nov 26 08:30:41 <timelyx> it was hard coded
Nov 26 08:30:46 <timelyx> wait
Nov 26 08:30:51 * timelyx thinks it was
Nov 26 08:30:55 <czr> who cares :-)
Nov 26 08:31:09 <timelyx> i think actually it was flexibly coded
Nov 26 08:31:14 <timelyx> but there was only one set of answers
Nov 26 08:31:21 <timelyx> so it was both soft and hard coded :)
Nov 26 08:31:44 <czr> "just to make sure it doesn't change ever again"-coded.
Nov 26 08:32:06 <timelyx> um
Nov 26 08:32:11 <timelyx> czr, load http://wayfinder.com/?id=5436&lang=en-UK
Nov 26 08:32:21 <timelyx> what button icons do you see on the "device"?
Nov 26 08:33:08 <czr> a lot of circly things. the image is really small
Nov 26 08:33:18 <timelyx> i mean hardware buttons
Nov 26 08:33:30 <timelyx> i'm trying to decide if that's a real device or an unreal one
Nov 26 08:33:50 <czr> it has the two funny ones only
Nov 26 08:34:05 <czr> but why would you want to use a keyboard when using the route map thingy anyway?
Nov 26 08:34:18 <czr> the picture clearly emulates driving on a freeway :-)
Nov 26 08:34:27 <timelyx> ever try entering an address?
Nov 26 08:34:36 <timelyx> or did i neglect to demo that?
Nov 26 08:34:36 <czr> while driving on a freeway?
Nov 26 08:34:41 <czr> ah, no :-)
Nov 26 08:34:52 <timelyx> well, if you read the manual, you wouldn't
Nov 26 08:35:02 <timelyx> otoh, if you try doing it, you'd soon learn why not :)
Nov 26 08:35:07 <czr> heh
Nov 26 08:35:10 * czr runs away
Nov 26 08:35:18 <timelyx> which reminds me, i need to make space for filing bugs on maps
Nov 26 08:35:26 <timelyx> i'll make sure that's available by close of business today
Nov 26 08:35:39 <timelyx> opinions welcome
Nov 26 08:35:56 <timelyx> if you <#maemo> were to file a bug in Map, where would you look to file it?
Nov 26 08:35:58 <czr> I'll be busy doing the last chapters today
Nov 26 08:36:11 <czr> timeless, SDK of course.
Nov 26 08:36:25 <timelyx> and if you were someone other than czr, what kinds of bugs would you file?
Nov 26 08:36:29 <timelyx> =b
Nov 26 08:36:31 <czr> heh
Nov 26 08:37:04 <czr> I'd probably file smt along the lines of "the map application looks butt-ugly"
Nov 26 08:37:12 <czr> but since I'm czr, I'm not going to do that
Nov 26 08:37:37 <czr> besides, I'm running an old image. "I'm sure the new one is much better".
Nov 26 08:38:07 <czr> timelyx, bug 95
Nov 26 08:38:07 <_Monkey> Bug 95 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=95
Nov 26 08:38:30 <czr> that actually was my 13th maemo bug
Nov 26 08:39:29 <timelyx> optimist!
Nov 26 08:39:35 <czr> read the comments :-)
Nov 26 08:40:01 <timelyx> > "I'm sure the new one is much better".
Nov 26 08:40:12 <czr> ah. I used the ironic quotes!
Nov 26 08:41:00 <timelyx> is that like the fancy &gt'; quotes i mentioned? :)
Nov 26 08:41:13 <czr> heh
Nov 26 08:41:25 <czr> kind of. but the only way to tell them apart from normal quotes is the way I type them
Nov 26 08:42:26 <timelyx> `hey
Nov 26 08:42:36 <timelyx> can i thumbs down old articles?
Nov 26 08:43:03 <czr> I have no idea
Nov 26 08:45:56 <timelyx> seems to work :)
Nov 26 08:46:34 <pupnik> hah cool!  flash 9 on opera on It2006
Nov 26 08:51:31 <pupnik> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=99995#post99995  flash 9 in opera on it2006
Nov 26 08:51:34 <pupnik> flash9?
Nov 26 08:51:34 <_Monkey> flash9 is much bigger than (6MB vs 2MB flash7) so it will unlikely do anything good for the 770 browsing experience
Nov 26 08:52:32 <pupnik> _Monkey: forget flash9
Nov 26 08:52:32 <_Monkey> pupnik: I forgot flash9
Nov 26 08:52:54 <Mmm810> Ne1 know how to edit the things on the app menu nokia 810.  Some things i want to remove
Nov 26 08:53:43 <pupnik> _Monkey: flash9 is available via new microb browser - plugin also appears to work fine in opera browser on it2006 - instructions here http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=99995
Nov 26 08:53:43 <_Monkey> OK, pupnik.
Nov 26 08:56:12 <pupnik> now we just need a mplayer flash video player plugin for opera
Nov 26 08:56:25 <pupnik> and it2006 on 770 suddenly competes with OS2008 :)
Nov 26 08:58:06 <[pablo]> Mmm810: under panel on control panel click organize
Nov 26 09:00:54 <Mmm810> Thx yeh but alas cant delete there and i have orphaned icon for something i uninstalled so was poking around as root for where to mod it
Nov 26 09:04:33 <pupnik> there might be a .desktop file left lying around
Nov 26 09:05:03 <pupnik> /usr/share/applications/hildon
Nov 26 09:09:25 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Nov 26 09:23:35 <Mmm810> Oh thx ill check those
Nov 26 09:24:02 <timelyx> pupnik: not true
Nov 26 09:24:11 <timelyx> flash9 came before microb was released
Nov 26 09:25:59 <pupnik> ok fix to accuracy then
Nov 26 09:28:39 <timelyx> left as an exercise :)
Nov 26 09:29:20 <timelyx> 4.2007.26-8 introduced flash9
Nov 26 09:45:36 <AD-N770> bon dia / good morning
Nov 26 09:48:43 <pupnik> ohayo!
Nov 26 10:08:51 <felipec> huomenta
Nov 26 10:22:11 <Mikho> does anybody know how could I check whether a GObject* is a GtkWidget*?
Nov 26 10:22:21 <_berto_> GTK_IS_WIDGET(obj)
Nov 26 10:22:39 <_|Nix|_> GTK_IS_WIDGET(the_object)
Nov 26 10:22:51 <_berto_> mine is less code :P
Nov 26 10:23:02 <Mikho> I've been scanning the Gtk documentation for a macro like that but haven't found it yet
Nov 26 10:23:16 <Mikho> but this will do, thanks
Nov 26 10:23:36 <timeless> inz: ping
Nov 26 10:25:32 <_berto_> Mikho: there are similar macros for all other objects
Nov 26 10:25:36 <_berto_> GTK_IS_BUTTON
Nov 26 10:25:38 <_berto_> etc.
Nov 26 10:25:56 <timeless> what happens if there are two objects by the same name? :)
Nov 26 10:26:15 <_berto_> I don't understand your question
Nov 26 10:27:06 <timeless> what if library "foopy" pulled in randomly and library "barpy" also pulled in randomly both want to have objects name ZAP
Nov 26 10:27:25 <timeless> which leaves you wondering what GTK_IS_ZAP would do :)
Nov 26 10:27:42 <timeless> (different ZAP objects of course... no fun if they're the same)
Nov 26 10:28:12 <_berto_> and what if you have two functions called init_connection() in two different modules?
Nov 26 10:28:15 <_berto_> it's the same problem
Nov 26 10:28:21 <_berto_> there's only one namespace
Nov 26 10:28:33 <timeless> not precisely true :)
Nov 26 10:28:52 <timeless> dlopen and friends mean i can sorta deal w/ that
Nov 26 10:28:56 <timeless> well, ideally
Nov 26 10:29:05 <timeless> not sure how well it works in practice :)
Nov 26 10:30:04 <timeless> heh, poor jake
Nov 26 10:30:22 <timeless> he pulled in a public bug that was already reported internally :)
Nov 26 10:31:26 <felipec> timeless: well, you have -I flags so you can deal with that too
Nov 26 10:35:31 <zuh> timeless: GTK_IS_ZAP is a macro so that would not be a problem. The problem is if both want to register the exactly same type, which would fail for the last one trying.
Nov 26 10:38:08 <zuh> hmm, I don't see any mention about what the g_type_register_* family returns on errors...
Nov 26 10:38:27 <maddler> morning all
Nov 26 10:40:54 <rothiel> Hi guys :)
Nov 26 10:42:14 <zuh> ok, they return 0. Which is an invalid type, which should make any checks fail gracefully. So I would guess it just won't be able to instantiate the object (and likely segfault since who checks for nulls for every widget creation anyway ;).
Nov 26 10:42:18 <Spakman_> does anyone know if there's a changelog for the new OS2008 firmware?
Nov 26 10:42:40 <Spakman_> (since the previous OS2008 version, I mean)
Nov 26 10:44:25 <timeless> spakman: typically there aren't useful ones :)
Nov 26 10:44:33 <timeless> i just grabbed the source drop an hour ago
Nov 26 10:44:46 <timeless> give me a bit and i'll try to figure it out
Nov 26 10:44:49 <Segnale007> hi there
Nov 26 10:46:38 <Spakman_> timeless: cool - thanks :)
Nov 26 10:47:58 <timeless> strange
Nov 26 10:48:07 <timeless> a quick scan, assuming i got everything right
Nov 26 10:48:11 <timeless> shows that no package versions changed
Nov 26 10:48:23 <timeless> (not impossible, but strange)
Nov 26 10:51:44 <timeless> i'm diffing changelogs, this isn't promising
Nov 26 10:53:45 <Minti> does anyone know how to capture "force-list-kludge" signal for GtkTreeView?
Nov 26 10:54:33 <Mikho> would somebody know if I can put a GtkButton in a column in GtkListStore?
Nov 26 11:06:39 <timeless> sorry, i can't find any deltas
Nov 26 11:12:01 <inz> timeless, pong
Nov 26 11:14:11 <inz> timeless, GTK_IS_ZAP would be a macro and would cause compile time problems if used in separate places
Nov 26 11:14:47 <inz> timeless, should the two classes use similarily named "type getter"-functions, it might be a problem
Nov 26 11:15:16 <inz> timeless, and if they try to register same class name (in g_type_register_*), glib will moan
Nov 26 11:16:58 <czr> hmm. are there devhelp packages for the maemo 4.0 versions of the libraries anywhere?
Nov 26 11:18:24 <truls> how does the hildon file-manager know which applicatinos to launch for which files?
Nov 26 11:18:35 <truls> any command-line launcher available that does the same?
Nov 26 11:22:01 <inz> truls, it most likely uses osso_mime_open_file() from libossomime0
Nov 26 11:22:14 <inz> truls, no idea of a cmdline version, would be trivial to implement though
Nov 26 11:22:23 <truls> ah, sounds accessible from python
Nov 26 11:23:08 <truls> yes, it is :)
Nov 26 11:23:10 <truls> fabulous
Nov 26 11:24:06 * truls hates help not being defined in python on maemo
Nov 26 11:25:31 <Khertan_TheReal> Hi
Nov 26 11:26:18 <Khertan_TheReal> I'm trying to compile a open source program ... but it s require python2.3 >= (this version is in the sdk) with --shared-library
Nov 26 11:26:30 <Khertan_TheReal> compile option
Nov 26 11:26:45 <Khertan_TheReal> does i need to recompile all python ?
Nov 26 11:28:25 <jumpula> maemo's python is not compiled with that option?
Nov 26 11:28:45 <jumpula> the python 2.3 is a host (native) tool provided by scratchbox
Nov 26 11:29:26 <jumpula> use /usr/bin/python2.5 (maemo's case) or SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE=/usr/bin/python /usr/bin/python
Nov 26 11:30:39 <Khertan_TheReal> hum ... i ll try to install pymaemo on the sdk so :) i only have python2.3 on my sdk
Nov 26 11:31:40 <Khertan_TheReal> hum no listed on apt-cache ... maybe i need to add some repos
Nov 26 11:31:47 <truls> hm, almost a oneliner: python -c "import sys, osso; osso.mime.Mime(None).open_file(sys.argv[1])" "file:///home/user/MyDocs/New memo.png"
Nov 26 11:32:00 <truls> inz: thanks
Nov 26 11:32:37 <jumpula> the package name should be python2.5
Nov 26 11:32:55 <jumpula> python2.4 then
Nov 26 11:33:58 <jumpula> if 2.5 is not available in repository.maemo.org
Nov 26 11:34:54 <jumpula> repository.maemo.org chinook/free has 2.5.1-1osso3
Nov 26 11:36:43 <Khertan_TheReal> extra bora repos wasn't in my source.list
Nov 26 11:37:00 <jumpula> ah, you're developing for bora
Nov 26 11:37:22 <jumpula> pymaemo.garage.maemo.org
Nov 26 11:39:13 <truls> hm, the mime_open_file thing didn't really work that well...
Nov 26 11:39:22 <truls> ack
Nov 26 11:39:40 <|tbb|> hi all, got a problem with maemomapper, maybe someone knows whats the problem. if i load up a route and then going to manage maps say download detail 3, it begans with download but anytime it stops after 10-15 percent of the loadingbar. Dont know whats wrong
Nov 26 11:43:26 <Khertan_TheReal> jumpula> yes i m developping for bora at this time ... i m still downloading the last vmware image for chinook :)
Nov 26 11:46:16 <inz> truls, maybe you need to open a dbus connection first or something
Nov 26 11:46:43 <inz> truls, I don't know python nor the bindings, so I wouldn't know fer sure, but the C version takes a D-Bus connection
Nov 26 11:47:36 <truls> inz: it also requires being initialized with a osso context?
Nov 26 11:47:53 <truls> the thing is that it mostly works, it just opens the wrong file...
Nov 26 11:48:45 <Khertan_TheReal> jumpula > i still have the same message about python and the compile option --shared-library ... :(
Nov 26 11:49:16 <jumpula> you tried python2.4 or python2.5?
Nov 26 11:49:26 <Khertan_TheReal> i ve installed version 2.5 from pymaemo and change the symlink /usr/bin/python
Nov 26 11:49:52 <jumpula> that doesn't help because /usr/bin/python is redirected to host
Nov 26 11:49:57 <pupnik> might as well be BASIC
Nov 26 11:50:06 <jumpula> either use /usr/bin/python2.5
Nov 26 11:50:30 <jumpula> or tell sbox to ignore redirect rules with /usr/bin/python
Nov 26 11:51:22 <Khertan_TheReal> "<jumpula> or tell sbox to ignore redirect rules with /usr/bin/python" how i do that ?
Nov 26 11:52:43 <jumpula> SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE=/usr/bin/python
Nov 26 11:53:06 <jumpula> note, that after that you have to explicitly execute /usr/bin/python
Nov 26 11:53:26 <jumpula> is you use just plain python, it gets redirected
Nov 26 11:53:49 <jumpula> is suppose you can force python for configure
Nov 26 11:53:53 <jumpula> ie.
Nov 26 11:54:05 <jumpula> export SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE=/usr/bin/python
Nov 26 11:54:13 <jumpula> cd yourpackage-version
Nov 26 11:54:28 <jumpula> ./configure PYTHON=/usr/bin/python && make && make install
Nov 26 11:54:55 <jumpula> but again, you're much better off if you just say PYTHON=/usr/bin/python2.5 for configure
Nov 26 11:55:04 <jumpula> there's no python2.5 on the host-side
Nov 26 11:55:10 <jumpula> it never gets redirected
Nov 26 11:55:30 <jumpula> and you don't have to specify any funky environment variables in package building
Nov 26 11:56:56 <Khertan_TheReal> if i ask it because when i set python path in configure i still get the same error :)
Nov 26 11:57:03 <Khertan_TheReal> so 2 options :
Nov 26 11:57:21 <Khertan_TheReal> -doesn't care of python path
Nov 26 11:57:39 <Khertan_TheReal> python (pymaemo) 2.5 isn't compile with --shared-library
Nov 26 11:57:52 <Khertan_TheReal> and the third ... i'm too stupid :)
Nov 26 11:58:09 <Khertan_TheReal> and i make a dumb error
Nov 26 11:58:22 <Khertan_TheReal> i ll go to eat ... :)
Nov 26 11:58:28 <Khertan_TheReal> see u in 1 hours :)
Nov 26 12:04:19 <timeless> inz: hey, do you watch the x terminal component in bugs.maemo.org?
Nov 26 12:05:36 * czr is slowly falling into a slurry of despair
Nov 26 12:06:09 <czr> I wonder whether they have political asylums in the bahamas
Nov 26 12:06:23 <xand> hmm, if I have my 770 in host mode, and connected to a usb hub by a 3-way cable, will it charge from that or does it need the power cable too?
Nov 26 12:06:50 <lardman> anyone familiar with select(FD_SETSIZE, ...?
Nov 26 12:07:00 <czr> lardman, sure
Nov 26 12:07:16 <czr> there's a tutorial manual page for it too :-) select_tut or something like that
Nov 26 12:07:54 <lardman> yeah, I'm getting a segfault in a piece of code and was wondering if anyone knows of a working example for me to compare against
Nov 26 12:08:04 <czr> read and understand select_tut
Nov 26 12:08:08 <czr> FD_SETSIZE looks wrong
Nov 26 12:08:54 <lardman> right, will have a read
Nov 26 12:08:54 <czr> the first parm is the max fd number that you want the kernel to track
Nov 26 12:09:02 <czr> not the size of the array that you pass
Nov 26 12:09:16 <lardman> here's the code anyway: http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/temp/minimad.c
Nov 26 12:09:18 <czr> s/array/whatever the set is/
Nov 26 12:09:18 <infobot> czr meant: not the size of the whatever the set is that you pass
Nov 26 12:10:07 <lardman> iirc the segfault is with the line: "FD_ZERO(&fdset_w);"
Nov 26 12:10:25 <lardman> I must look at the macros
Nov 26 12:11:14 <czr> try separating the two sets:
Nov 26 12:11:17 <czr> fd_set fdset_r;
Nov 26 12:11:21 <czr> fd_set dfset_w;
Nov 26 12:11:35 <czr> fdset_w even
Nov 26 12:11:49 <lardman> that shouldn't make any odds though...?
Nov 26 12:12:00 <czr> humor me :-)
Nov 26 12:12:15 <lardman> no worries, I will do, will have to be this evening though when I get home
Nov 26 12:12:19 <czr> the first param to select in your case should be fd+1
Nov 26 12:12:25 <lardman> thanks for the idea though
Nov 26 12:16:09 <czr> lardman, the code also assumes that fd_sets can be copied with =
Nov 26 12:16:26 <czr> but that should actually work in linux :-)
Nov 26 12:18:26 <lardman> my first use of select, so I need to do some reading about it
Nov 26 12:18:26 <lardman> or rather my first sight of someone else's use of select
Nov 26 12:18:52 <lardman> I was also wondering whether the dsp task device file will behave in the right way for select to be used
Nov 26 12:19:37 <czr> weird though. tell me how it goes
Nov 26 12:19:50 <lardman> will do and thanks again
Nov 26 12:21:22 <lardman> on a completely different topic, what's the news on N810 availability?
Nov 26 12:21:29 * czr shrugs
Nov 26 12:21:49 <czr> as whether the dsp device supports the model, will depend on the device driver directly. good luck and tell me how it goes :-)
Nov 26 12:22:28 <lardman> yeah, if I get the code looking like it should work, I'll take a look at the kernel code for the device.
Nov 26 12:22:35 <truls> hm, trying to find a way to open the filemanager to a certain directory (preferably using a link on the maemo desktop)... any suggestions?
Nov 26 12:23:13 <lardman> It might be easier to use a different model for the comms though, get the dsp to always signal what it wants (ie. to read or to write) then the arm-side could just block on a read and be done with it
Nov 26 12:23:35 <lardman> troof: dbus?
Nov 26 12:23:35 <_Monkey> i heard dbus was awesome too. :)
Nov 26 12:23:47 <lardman> troof: sorry, wrong person
Nov 26 12:23:53 <lardman> truls: dbus?
Nov 26 12:23:53 <_Monkey> dbus is probably awesome too. :)
Nov 26 12:24:17 <truls> lardman: hm, probably.. *reads up*
Nov 26 12:25:47 <czr> lardman, actually the model that is in the program looks very unixy (good).
Nov 26 12:25:58 <czr> and it is signalling now, via select :-)
Nov 26 12:26:04 <czr> that's the Proper Way(tm).
Nov 26 12:26:47 <lardman> yes it would be best to use signalling so other things can be done
Nov 26 12:30:59 <Veggen> Pumich: (Another _Monkey gripe - if it *is* gonna reply spuriously, why do people have to add useless info like that?)
Nov 26 12:31:06 <czr> lardman, just don't use signal()
Nov 26 12:31:12 <Veggen> (eh, s/Pumich://)
Nov 26 12:31:13 <czr> lardman, use I/O
Nov 26 12:31:24 <czr> lardman, as you already have
Nov 26 12:31:29 <lardman> Veggen: I thought it just picks things up?
Nov 26 12:31:36 <Veggen> lardman: oh, it does.
Nov 26 12:31:50 <Veggen> my bad. But I still hate it :)
Nov 26 12:31:56 <lardman> czr: ah yes, I wasn't meaning the function call, just in general terms
Nov 26 12:32:05 <lardman> Veggen: me too
Nov 26 12:32:09 * czr nods at lardman
Nov 26 12:39:05 <Khertan_TheReal> i ve try to compile gemrb ... but i got an error that i don't understand : http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=100015#post100015
Nov 26 12:39:05 <Khertan_TheReal> someone has try too ?
Nov 26 12:40:39 <lardman> Khertan_TheReal: the two types are of different sizes?
Nov 26 12:46:07 <Khertan_TheReal> nice split
Nov 26 12:47:44 <alterego> Banana?
Nov 26 12:47:44 <_Monkey> Banana is something I'd like right now
Nov 26 12:48:06 <czr> hey alterego
Nov 26 12:50:40 <pupnik> Khertan_TheReal: GemRb is not yet playable
Nov 26 12:50:41 <Khertan_TheReal> lardman : it s seems to be the same type http://pastebin.com/d6bd22ce7*
Nov 26 12:50:44 <Khertan_TheReal> lardman : it s seems to be the same type http://pastebin.com/d6bd22ce7
Nov 26 12:50:55 <alterego> czr, aloha
Nov 26 12:50:55 <Khertan_TheReal> pupnik > ah ... lol
Nov 26 12:52:06 <pupnik> but but i'll check
Nov 26 12:53:25 <pupnik> Khertan_TheReal: problem is openal?
Nov 26 12:54:14 <pupnik> ah no i see sorry - variables
Nov 26 12:59:08 <Khertan_TheReal> pupnik > no openal is compiled :)
Nov 26 12:59:28 <pupnik> yes same error here - something about the poitner cast
Nov 26 12:59:42 <lardman> Variables.cpp:81: warning: cast from `__POSITION*' to `Variables::MyAssoc*' increases required alignment of target type
Nov 26 12:59:51 <Khertan_TheReal> ;)
Nov 26 12:59:51 <pupnik> "EI WAS RUBBED BITUMEN!"  \o\  /o/  \o/  _o_
Nov 26 13:00:04 <lardman> I'm not sure how it can increase the alignment, but perhaps it alters it
Nov 26 13:01:58 <bedboi> hi there... anyone knows if mplayer works on os2008?
Nov 26 13:02:18 <lardman> I understand there's an OS2008 version
Nov 26 13:02:57 <pupnik> is xsp still in OS2008?
Nov 26 13:02:59 <bedboi> any pointer?
Nov 26 13:03:26 <lardman> on itt, don;t have the link to hand atm
Nov 26 13:04:10 <|tbb|> hi all, got a problem with maemomapper, maybe someone knows whats the problem. if i load up a route and then going to manage maps say download detail 3, it begans with download but anytime it stops after 10-15 percent of the loadingbar. Dont know whats wrong
Nov 26 13:04:49 <pupnik> they say you need to have a lot of free space (2x map size?) |tbb|
Nov 26 13:05:10 <Khertan_TheReal> |tbb| launch it in xterm ... u ll get more details
Nov 26 13:05:24 <|tbb|> where the maps will be downloaded by default
Nov 26 13:05:50 <bedboi> lardman: thank's i'll check myself and try
Nov 26 13:06:04 <pupnik> GemRB project working on GUIScripts ( Development info )
Nov 26 13:06:05 <pupnik> posted by Saint_Proverbius on Sun 26 September 2004, 02:10:15
Nov 26 13:06:22 <pupnik> progress is slow Khertan_TheReal
Nov 26 13:07:29 <pupnik> http://forums.gibberlings3.net/index.php?showforum=91   to contribute...
Nov 26 13:07:45 <bedboi> lardman|away: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/chinook/free/m/mplayer/
Nov 26 13:14:32 <Ub0nty> broken pages with os2008: http://www.schalke04.de/ http://www.gulli.com/
Nov 26 13:15:18 <lopz> hola
Nov 26 13:15:18 <_Monkey> privet, lopz
Nov 26 13:16:25 <Don^> hello
Nov 26 13:16:26 <_Monkey> hey, Don^
Nov 26 13:16:36 <Don^> umm.. first time here.
Nov 26 13:16:49 <Tak> hello
Nov 26 13:16:49 <Don^> and just because i think you guys might be my only help. seems that i bricked my n800
Nov 26 13:17:25 <Don^> or ... well not completely bricked, but google found out that someone here had the same problem earlier. :D
Nov 26 13:17:35 <pupnik> more info pls
Nov 26 13:17:45 <Don^> holdon
Nov 26 13:18:01 <Don^> anyway, after the battery died on me the other day the unit didn't boot. so i decided to reflash the thing.
Nov 26 13:18:14 <Don^> didn't really help. but now the symptoms are different
Nov 26 13:18:34 <Don^> everything goes okay, but using flasher i get "Flashing bootloader... Sending request 0x50 failed! Unable to get error strings: Connection timed out"
Nov 26 13:19:22 <Tak> are you using flasher-3.0 ?
Nov 26 13:19:28 <Don^> this is after i try to manually supply the x-loader image.
Nov 26 13:19:48 <Don^> if i try the whole distribution bin i get "Version of 'sw-release': <no version> To flash the bootloader, you have to supply the X-Loader image"
Nov 26 13:19:56 <Don^> yes, i use flasher-3.0
Nov 26 13:19:58 <Tak> something's wrong
Nov 26 13:20:03 <Don^> indeed
Nov 26 13:20:04 <Tak> you should just be able to use the FIASCO image
Nov 26 13:20:18 <Tak> what's the name of the file you have?
Nov 26 13:21:09 <Don^> RX-34_2007SE_4.2007.38-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin
Nov 26 13:22:35 <Tak> hmm - does the md5sum check out?
Nov 26 13:22:38 <Don^> yes
Nov 26 13:22:53 <Don^> i can unpack the bin-file using flasher-3.0
Nov 26 13:23:00 <Don^> so i guess the bin is ok
Nov 26 13:23:20 <Don^> just won't do anything to the bootloader and it seems that i can't fix it directly for some strange reason.
Nov 26 13:23:42 <Tak> what command are you trying to flash the image?
Nov 26 13:24:05 <Don^> the whole thing or the loader only?
Nov 26 13:24:42 <Don^> sudo ./flasher-3.0 -F RX-34_2007SE_4.2007.38-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R
Nov 26 13:25:17 <Don^> sudo ./flasher-3.0 -x xloader.bin-RX-34\:1301\,1302\,1501\,1502\,1503\,1504\,1601\,1602 -f -R
Nov 26 13:26:54 <Don^> knew it isn't simple ;)
Nov 26 13:27:35 <Don^> i've got to run into a meeting now. leaving this on screen, so if anyone has any suggestions what to try please let me know. i'll be reading the backlogs in 2hrs.
Nov 26 13:28:36 <Don^> damn. would not like to buy a new unit. :(  ... anyway it's going to be N810 in that case.
Nov 26 13:30:04 <pupnik> maybe customer support knows?
Nov 26 13:30:14 <Don^> this is pretty much the same situation my n800 is now in: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=96431 ...
Nov 26 13:30:39 <Don^> hmm, maybe. I think i should call them. :) Usually there's no point since somebody somewhere knows how to get out of the situation. :D
Nov 26 13:31:17 <Don^> now to the meeting.
Nov 26 13:44:26 * czr learns now the downside of having too many bugs open at the same time
Nov 26 13:44:30 <X-Fade_> Psst: http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/os2008beta_for_n800.html
Nov 26 13:45:07 <czr> X-Fade_, cool.
Nov 26 13:45:18 <czr> X-Fade_, should i use the beta image instead of the internal one?
Nov 26 13:45:57 <X-Fade_> czr: I guess they should be compatible? :)
Nov 26 13:46:10 <czr> sure. it's only that mine is running .42-18
Nov 26 13:46:25 <czr> so I'm thinking that the beta might be a better choice since it's newer
Nov 26 13:46:43 <X-Fade_> czr: Yep, for sure..
Nov 26 13:47:02 <czr> maybe I'll reflash tonight then. thanks for the heads-up.
Nov 26 13:47:11 <alterego> Ooo, beta OS2008 for N800?
Nov 26 13:47:12 <alterego> Nice ..
Nov 26 13:47:22 <X-Fade_> czr: Make sure you do a backup in 2008 first.
Nov 26 13:47:39 <X-Fade_> czr: That way it restores your apps too, after flash.
Nov 26 13:47:39 <czr> X-Fade_, I don't have anything useful on it except a WPA passphrase :-)
Nov 26 13:47:46 <czr> apps? what apps? :--)
Nov 26 13:47:53 <czr> I use the device for testing only.
Nov 26 13:48:03 <X-Fade_> czr: ;)
Nov 26 13:48:04 <czr> so no problemo
Nov 26 13:48:19 <czr> X-Fade_, the backup thingy doesn't save network settings and pairing stuff, does it?
Nov 26 13:48:28 * alterego wonders how he missed that ..
Nov 26 13:48:31 <X-Fade_> czr: It does.
Nov 26 13:48:41 <czr> oh. cool. maybe I'll try the backup thingy then.
Nov 26 13:48:44 <Tak> the backup app does save networks and pairings even on os2007
Nov 26 13:48:58 <czr> Tak, I barely ever used OS2007
Nov 26 13:48:59 <X-Fade_> czr: At least network, don't remember about bt pairing/
Nov 26 13:49:19 <czr> I guess I'll find out
Nov 26 13:49:25 <Tak> hah - 2006?
Nov 26 13:49:28 <Tak> 2005?
Nov 26 13:49:35 <czr> Tak, 2005
Nov 26 13:49:48 * czr has been busy doing interesting stuff in-between :-)
Nov 26 13:49:51 <lophyte> morning guys
Nov 26 13:50:06 <czr> Tak, or what was on 770 when it was launched.
Nov 26 13:50:36 <alterego> 0.1 alpha 1986
Nov 26 13:51:20 <Tak> damn
Nov 26 13:51:44 <Tak> ours came with 2005, but 2006 was available at that point, and we flashed it posthaste
Nov 26 13:51:54 <alterego> It's a shame those images aren't still available as I'd have loved to have seen the early maemo releases :)
Nov 26 13:52:15 <alterego> I guess they were never available for the N800 regardless.
Nov 26 13:52:30 <X-Fade_> alterego: I have some of them ;)
Nov 26 13:52:49 <X-Fade_> alterego: But what we have now is way better.
Nov 26 13:52:59 <alterego> I might buy a 770 at some point.
Nov 26 13:53:20 <alterego> My dad got one so I've been getting him to lend it to me for testing occasionally.
Nov 26 13:53:40 <alterego> I think he wants to sell it and get an N810, maybe I'll buy it off of him :)
Nov 26 13:54:00 <X-Fade_> There is some kind of OS2008HE version planned, but not everything will be ported.
Nov 26 13:54:18 <alterego> It'd only be to do releases for OS2006
Nov 26 13:54:19 <X-Fade_> Or a frankenstein mix of 2007 and 2008 ;)
Nov 26 13:54:44 <alterego> HE would already be supported through my N8X0 development.
Nov 26 13:55:46 <|tbb|> <Ub0nty> broken pages with os2008: http://www.schalke04.de/  <-- that were a big reason why i should upgrade to OS 2008 ;)
Nov 26 13:59:41 <X-Fade_> |tbb|: What's wrong? Looks ok to me?
Nov 26 14:00:21 <Tak> I love the look/feel of the 770
Nov 26 14:01:09 <vegai> I suppose the insides of a 810 don't fit inside a 770 :P
Nov 26 14:01:24 <X-Fade_> Tak: Yeah, but would want trade the grainy screen and cpu ;)
Nov 26 14:02:56 <Tak> heh, the cpu could use improvement
Nov 26 14:03:10 <Tak> I honestly don't have an issue with the screen, though
Nov 26 14:03:23 <X-Fade_> Tak: Until you have used the N800.
Nov 26 14:03:40 <X-Fade_> I have both and notice it a lot when switching between them.
Nov 26 14:04:19 <|tbb|> xfade: i dont know but Ub0nty says it wouldnt look ok
Nov 26 14:05:03 <Tak> we have an n800, but I guess I don't use it enough for the difference to bother me
Nov 26 14:10:05 <|tbb|> RX-34_2008SE_1.2007.44-4_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin Software Edition 2008 version 4.2007.44-4 for Nokia N800 will this release have the fm-radio applet included?
Nov 26 14:26:33 <matmo> hello. I'm trying the latest SDK VMWare Appliance. Anyone know the admin password so I can configure the network?
Nov 26 14:26:46 <X-Fade_> matmo: maemo?
Nov 26 14:26:46 <_Monkey> maemo is probably a development platform to create applications for the Nokia N800 and N810 Internet Tablets. http://www.maemo.org/
Nov 26 14:27:29 <matmo> X-Fade_: ty, I should have tried the obvious, lol
Nov 26 14:27:56 <X-Fade_> matmo: Heh ;)
Nov 26 14:38:49 <matmo_> ha, found the "project home page" for the SDK VMWarw appliance... always forget to check that link on garage pages
Nov 26 14:49:30 <pupnik> _Monkey: longcat is eating a city near you - background for tablet theme http://pupnik.de/nokia_bg_lngcat.png
Nov 26 14:49:31 <_Monkey> OK, pupnik.
Nov 26 14:50:38 <lardman> image download is veerrrryyy slow
Nov 26 14:51:24 <X-Fade_> lardman: To keep you in suspense ;)
Nov 26 14:51:43 <lardman> yeah, oh well, left it downloading at home as I thought I should come back to work
Nov 26 14:53:09 <Jaffa> Ouch. Everyone read qgil's email on maemo-dev about "N810 discount codes [...] to be fully operational in the Nokia online shops by 15/dec"
Nov 26 14:55:28 * Tak shrugs
Nov 26 14:58:01 <lardman> good, at least we have a date
Nov 26 14:58:22 <pupnik> yaay
Nov 26 14:59:18 <pupnik> much nicer to have some idea of timeframe
Nov 26 15:00:03 <lardman> exactly, can stop refreshing the nokia shop page now :)
Nov 26 15:00:24 <pupnik> yes that was getting crazy
Nov 26 15:00:57 <Tak> apropos, the Tab Mix Plus extension has a nice "Refresh Every..." feature
Nov 26 15:03:49 <Jaffa> lardman: zactly
Nov 26 15:04:43 <alterego> "by 15/dec" ?
Nov 26 15:04:56 <alterego> So it _could_ be earlier if the elves work quicker.
Nov 26 15:05:00 <alterego> Damn santa and his elves.
Nov 26 15:05:04 <Jaffa> It *could*
Nov 26 15:05:04 <lardman> ok, so perhaps some gentle refreshing, exponentially increasing towards the middle of Dec
Nov 26 15:05:28 <alterego> Quim is now Santa.
Nov 26 15:05:33 <alterego> I expect coal :P
Nov 26 15:06:02 <lardman> coal's probably worth more these days than it used to be... :)
Nov 26 15:08:06 <Ar-ras> hi
Nov 26 15:08:06 <_Monkey> hi, Ar-ras
Nov 26 15:08:19 <Ar-ras> i updated my N800 to OS2008 with official FW
Nov 26 15:08:21 <Tak> particularly in USD
Nov 26 15:08:26 <Ar-ras> but Skype doesnt install
Nov 26 15:08:34 <Ar-ras> says i have to update to N810
Nov 26 15:08:42 <Ar-ras> any solution?
Nov 26 15:08:50 <Ar-ras> except buying N810
Nov 26 15:09:01 <shackan> Ar-ras: there's 0s2008 for the N800 ?
Nov 26 15:09:05 <X-Fade_> Ar-ras: There is no Skype for OS2008 yet..
Nov 26 15:09:07 <lardman> Tak: Zimbabwean dollars are probably the worst
Nov 26 15:09:25 <Ar-ras> X-Fade
Nov 26 15:09:27 <Ar-ras> sure it is
Nov 26 15:09:49 <lardman> Ar-ras: sounds like a bug
Nov 26 15:09:58 <Ar-ras> 2 mb size and Version 1.7.62.48.2
Nov 26 15:10:14 * Tak starts buying baht
Nov 26 15:10:21 <Ar-ras> not like before Version 0.01
Nov 26 15:10:23 <shackan> Ar-ras: but the latest n800 image on the nokia website RX-34_2007SE_4.2007.38-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin
Nov 26 15:10:29 <shackan> +is
Nov 26 15:10:32 <Ar-ras> ???
Nov 26 15:10:35 <Ar-ras> no
Nov 26 15:10:38 <lardman> no, there's a later on, do a refresh
Nov 26 15:10:43 <lardman> s/on/one
Nov 26 15:10:44 <Ar-ras> RX-34_2008SE_1.2007.44-4_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin 	134931407 	Software Edition 2008 version 4.2007.44-4 for Nokia N800 	The first IT OS 2008 release for Nokia N800
Nov 26 15:10:46 <Tak> http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/os2008beta_for_n800.html
Nov 26 15:10:58 <shackan> damn!
Nov 26 15:11:06 <X-Fade_> Ar-ras: Ah yeah, now it is there. Wasn't last week ;)
Nov 26 15:11:11 <shackan> I checked this morning
Nov 26 15:11:14 <X-Fade_> Duh ;)
Nov 26 15:11:21 <shackan> and flashed the latest one hoping is was 2008
Nov 26 15:11:36 <shackan> all just to be greeted with the old theme
Nov 26 15:12:35 <Ar-ras> How can I update my device to N810 :D
Nov 26 15:12:53 <Ar-ras> apt-get install N810-Update_for_N800
Nov 26 15:13:16 <hullfandan> Does anyone have a couple of minutes to help a complete Maemo noob :)
Nov 26 15:13:22 <Tak> Ar-ras: you have to add the chinook extras-hardware repo
Nov 26 15:13:23 <X-Fade_> Ar-ras: Ok, I can reproduce it..
Nov 26 15:13:45 <Ar-ras> Tak do you mean it serious? :D
Nov 26 15:13:55 <Tak> hullfandan: describe your problem, and somebody will take a stab at it
Nov 26 15:13:55 <Ar-ras> heeh
Nov 26 15:14:11 <X-Fade_> Tak: No, it actually states that you N810 OS is not recent enough..
Nov 26 15:14:25 <Ar-ras> maybe
Nov 26 15:14:41 <Ar-ras> Does somebody has N810?
Nov 26 15:15:35 <timeless> hrm
Nov 26 15:15:43 <timeless> has anyone here ever gotten an error from migard?
Nov 26 15:15:47 <timeless> https://maemo.org/midcom-exec-midcom/cron.php?type=day
Nov 26 15:15:50 <timeless> Your user account does not have sufficient privileges.
Nov 26 15:15:50 <timeless> Access denied: You need administrator privileges.
Nov 26 15:16:14 <X-Fade_> timeless: You shouldn't be using that url at all.
Nov 26 15:16:33 * Tak scratches head
Nov 26 15:17:17 <timeless> um, i didn't try to
Nov 26 15:17:37 <X-Fade_> timeless: Where did you find it then? :)
Nov 26 15:17:37 <timeless> well, i got that page
Nov 26 15:17:40 <timeless> i didn't try to get that page
Nov 26 15:17:47 <timeless> now i have a cooler page:
Nov 26 15:17:47 <timeless> Favourites
Nov 26 15:17:47 <timeless> you have already buried the item
Nov 26 15:18:00 <timeless> at the bottom of my screen, *below* sponsored by Nokia
Nov 26 15:18:22 <timeless> how do i log out?
Nov 26 15:18:34 * timeless puts ona clueless user hat
Nov 26 15:19:38 <X-Fade_> timeless: Via the midcom menu.. Or switch to http.
Nov 26 15:19:42 <hullfandan> the Nokia comes with Maemo 2.x? is that the same as OS2006?  and so the development environment I need to make apps is 'gregale'?
Nov 26 15:19:43 <timeless> um
Nov 26 15:19:47 <timeless> i need to be able to log in again
Nov 26 15:19:51 <hullfandan> sorry Nokia 770
Nov 26 15:19:51 <timeless> and i don't have a menu
Nov 26 15:19:54 <timeless> that menu requires js
Nov 26 15:20:00 <X-Fade_> https://maemo.org/midcom-logout
Nov 26 15:20:01 <timeless> didn't anyone tell you js is not always available? :)
Nov 26 15:20:11 <timeless> Error 404: Page could not be found.
Nov 26 15:20:11 <timeless> The requested URL /midcom-logout could not be found on this server.
Nov 26 15:20:11 <timeless> Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:20:07 +0200
Nov 26 15:20:52 <X-Fade_> https://maemo.org/midcom-logout-
Nov 26 15:20:54 <X-Fade_> Sorry ;)
Nov 26 15:20:57 <X-Fade_> Typo..
Nov 26 15:21:07 <timeless> that takes me to a login screen
Nov 26 15:21:10 <timeless> not very intuitive
Nov 26 15:21:55 <X-Fade_> Everything on https will take you to the login screen. As that requires you to log in ;)
Nov 26 15:22:16 <timeless> ok: steps
Nov 26 15:22:20 <timeless> 1. visit https://maemo.org/midcom-logout-
Nov 26 15:22:30 <timeless> 2. visit http://maemo.org/news/archive/month/2007/11.html
Nov 26 15:22:48 <timeless> 3. click on the thumb down icon near The Cyclomatic Horror From Outer Space
Nov 26 15:22:54 <timeless> https://maemo.org/news/favorites/bury/midgard_article/70787c82832011dcb1132707c3f560f660f6/?return=%2Fmidcom-exec-midcom%2Fcron.php%3Ftype%3Dday
Nov 26 15:23:27 <hullfandan> Is there a better website than maemo.org for developers?  I just keep getting broken links like this one : http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/Maemo_2.2_Tutorial.html
Nov 26 15:23:47 <hullfandan> I've never known a site with so many dead links
Nov 26 15:23:55 <timeless> try the 4.0 tut instead ? :)
Nov 26 15:24:05 <timeless> hullfandan: try nokia.com
Nov 26 15:24:07 <X-Fade_> timeless: I see it too.
Nov 26 15:24:08 <timeless> it has more dead links
Nov 26 15:24:15 <timeless> x-fade: the bug?
Nov 26 15:24:25 <X-Fade_> timeless: Please file a bug and add bergie to it ;)
Nov 26 15:24:33 <timeless> cvool
Nov 26 15:24:33 <Tak> heh, wouldn't the 4.0 tutorial give you broken packages for os2006?
Nov 26 15:24:38 <timeless> who or what is a bergie?
Nov 26 15:25:03 <hullfandan> is os2006 == Maemo2.x ?
Nov 26 15:25:07 <lardman> he's one of the chaps who works on maemo-mapper iirc
Nov 26 15:25:11 <timeless> yes
Nov 26 15:25:20 <hullfandan> why call it two different things?
Nov 26 15:25:21 <X-Fade_> timeless: The one that developed the social news part.
Nov 26 15:25:38 <timeless> ok, filing....
Nov 26 15:25:46 <kaltsi> hullfandan: I guess you found the tutorial though: https://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/maemo_2_2_tutorial.html
Nov 26 15:26:17 <kaltsi> and let me remove the https for you:  http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/maemo_2_2_tutorial.html
Nov 26 15:26:26 <X-Fade_> timeless: I think I know why that happens ;) That archive is created via cron.
Nov 26 15:26:28 <hullfandan> thanks I hadn't found that actually
Nov 26 15:26:41 <X-Fade_> timeless: So the return page is somehow the cron script ;)
Nov 26 15:26:42 <hullfandan> the site is so bad I feel ill when I have to use it so I try to use other stes :/
Nov 26 15:27:14 <kaltsi> hullfandan: where did you find that link.. let's get it fixed?
Nov 26 15:27:40 <hullfandan> http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo-2-2--gregale-.html
Nov 26 15:27:43 <timeless> es, you got it :)
Nov 26 15:27:43 <hullfandan> bottom of the page
Nov 26 15:28:32 <Ar-ras> mmh
Nov 26 15:28:40 <Ar-ras> what is the password of root?`
Nov 26 15:28:44 <kaltsi> hullfandan: thanks for pointing it out, now it's fixed.
Nov 26 15:28:48 <Ar-ras> rootme doesn work
Nov 26 15:29:04 <timeless> x-fade: problem
Nov 26 15:29:08 <timeless> i don't know bergie
Nov 26 15:29:10 <hullfandan> that was fast, I will send other if I find them thanks
Nov 26 15:29:25 <timeless> terje ?
Nov 26 15:29:55 <timeless> Bug 2387 Submitted
Nov 26 15:29:55 <_Monkey> Bug 2387 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2387
Nov 26 15:29:58 <X-Fade_> timeless:   henri.bergius A T iki.fi
Nov 26 15:30:00 <timeless> x-fade: fix the cc list :(
Nov 26 15:30:07 <kaltsi> hullfandan: ok.. I'll be gone for now but if you prepend the reports with my name I can get them fixed when I come back.. cheers
Nov 26 15:30:11 <timeless> oh brother. fixed
Nov 26 15:30:39 <timeless> x-fade: so um,... did i favorite it or not?
Nov 26 15:30:48 <hullfandan> I am trying to develop an application that will share mobile phone films via BT/OBEX push.  I have already developed a similar software for full PC but that was windows/Java based because of the hardware. The Nokia 770 hardware looks perfect for what we need so I am now looking to create a similar version but for the 770.
Nov 26 15:31:31 <hullfandan> Sadly I have little linux experience and am still struggling with Ubuntu so I think half of my problems are just linux and not Maemo specific :(
Nov 26 15:31:34 <X-Fade_> timeless: Doesn't look like it.
Nov 26 15:31:46 <timeless> wah
Nov 26 15:31:52 <timeless> but i wanted to bury it :)
Nov 26 15:32:01 <X-Fade_> timeless: although I don't know if it updates in the archives ;)
Nov 26 15:32:12 <hullfandan> ok Kaltsi will do
Nov 26 15:32:18 <X-Fade_> timeless: Maybe cron has to pass over it again..
Nov 26 15:32:18 <inz> timeless, re-pong
Nov 26 15:32:34 <timeless> inz: hrm, i was trying to ping about bugzilla/xterm
Nov 26 15:32:39 <hullfandan> I will get there though.  Does anyone know of any Obex applications already of the 770 for sending files?
Nov 26 15:32:41 <timeless> do you watch that component?
Nov 26 15:32:53 <timeless> hullfandan: pretty sure i saw one
Nov 26 15:33:19 <hullfandan> I've googled but not found anything
Nov 26 15:33:23 <timeless> https://garage.maemo.org/projects/btxfer/
Nov 26 15:33:50 <timeless> not sure how you googled :)
Nov 26 15:34:08 <inz> timeless, I no have access :/
Nov 26 15:34:17 <timeless> inz: bugs.maemo.org?
Nov 26 15:34:17 <_Monkey> i guess bugs.maemo.org is where people should report problems about software relating to maemo core applications
Nov 26 15:34:23 <hullfandan> :) I think I saw that but as it's been going for over a year and not released any files yet I kind of ignored it :)
Nov 26 15:34:25 <timeless> it's public
Nov 26 15:34:26 <Segnale007> hi there
Nov 26 15:34:44 <inz> timeless, oh there, though you meant the other 'zilla ;)
Nov 26 15:34:55 <timeless> inz: there's only one that matters :)
Nov 26 15:35:04 <timeless> all others are myths, shadows, ghosts, ...
Nov 26 15:36:13 <timeless> hullfandan: um, they did release something
Nov 26 15:36:25 <pupnik> i need a wife that runs linux
Nov 26 15:36:31 <hullfandan> oh sorry again just confused by the website :)
Nov 26 15:36:35 <timeless> anyway, if you need to rebuild the package
Nov 26 15:36:36 <timeless> http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/source/btxfer/
Nov 26 15:36:42 <timeless> their svn is available
Nov 26 15:37:09 <inz> timeless, well, what of it, I only see two bugs there
Nov 26 15:37:10 <timeless> inz: anyway, do you watch that component?
Nov 26 15:37:22 <timeless> https://bugs.maemo.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email#watchedusers
Nov 26 15:37:24 <hullfandan> thanks timeless
Nov 26 15:37:45 <timeless> from https://bugs.maemo.org/describecomponents.cgi?product=System%20Software#X%20Terminal
Nov 26 15:37:49 <timeless> copy    osso-xterm-bugs@maemo.org
Nov 26 15:37:56 <timeless> and paste that into the watch list
Nov 26 15:38:20 <timeless> inz: i'm part of "virtual maemo" and we're trying to make sure bug components are owned
Nov 26 15:39:32 <inz> timeless, am watching it now
Nov 26 15:39:59 <timeless> thanks
Nov 26 15:40:09 * timeless notes that this exercise is really foolish
Nov 26 15:40:12 <timeless> but oh well
Nov 26 15:41:28 <inz> timeless, do note however that I have nothing to do with the "official" xterm =)
Nov 26 15:41:39 <inz> timeless, except that it is based on my version
Nov 26 15:41:50 <timeless> inz: as far as debian is concerned, it's yours :)
Nov 26 15:45:04 <Don^> ok. i'm back.
Nov 26 15:45:10 <Don^> seems that no-one came up with a solution :(
Nov 26 15:45:28 <Tak> Don^: Are you connecting through a USB hub?
Nov 26 15:46:10 <Don^> no
Nov 26 15:46:20 <Don^> of course not. don't trust those things.
Nov 26 15:50:09 <lardman> flashing troubles?
Nov 26 15:50:18 <lardman> You sure your computer doesn't have a hub built in?
Nov 26 15:51:18 <cy3o3> Nice, OS2008 confirmed on N800
Nov 26 15:51:32 <timeless> confirmed?
Nov 26 15:51:38 <timeless> we've promised it for a year
Nov 26 15:51:45 <timeless> what's there to confirm?
Nov 26 15:51:59 <cy3o3> Well, it's available I mean :P
Nov 26 15:52:01 <cy3o3> http://tabletsdev.maemo.org/nokia_N800.php
Nov 26 15:52:13 <timeless> that's a beta, no?
Nov 26 15:52:28 <matmo_> hmmm, need help getting started with SDK. Seem to remember when I tried earlier version I had to login to SB, correct?
Nov 26 15:52:53 <cy3o3> timeless: Not sure on that.. was just going through my rss feeds and came across this: http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/TabletblogcomByThoughtfix/~3/190731813/newsflash-os2008-on-n800-gets-official.html
Nov 26 15:53:31 <zoran> no official news from nokia?
Nov 26 15:53:42 <Don^> lardman: :D
Nov 26 15:53:54 <matmo_> hmmm2, ok the launch icon logs me in , I think
Nov 26 15:54:22 <Don^> lardman: well. something went wrong with the unit after the battery died on me. flashed it, went ok - unit stays in reboot loop and now i cannot flash it anymore.
Nov 26 15:54:40 <matmo_> but "whoami" returns "maemo" so same user name used for VMWare environment and SB
Nov 26 15:54:46 <Don^> lardman: i get "Version of 'sw-release': <no version>
Nov 26 15:54:47 <Don^> To flash the bootloader, you have to supply the X-Loader image"
Nov 26 15:55:13 <timeless> i'm going by the topic url
Nov 26 15:55:15 <timeless> which points to 44-4
Nov 26 15:55:16 <matmo_> (head hurts, lol)
Nov 26 15:55:24 <Don^> and when trying to flash just the xloader i get: Flashing bootloader... Sending request 0x50 failed! Unable to get error strings: Connection timed out
Nov 26 15:55:24 <timeless> i'll go yell at someone now, give me a min
Nov 26 15:56:25 <zoran> Don^, don't want to bother, but did you changed something to spoil booting sequence?
Nov 26 15:56:40 <X-Fade_> Don^: You can try to flash it with 0xffff
Nov 26 15:56:56 <X-Fade_> Don^: Not sure if that will change anything..
Nov 26 15:58:15 <lardman> Don^: is this a 770 or an n800?
Nov 26 15:58:28 <Don^> lardman: n800
Nov 26 15:58:33 <Don^> zoran: nope.
Nov 26 15:58:55 <lardman> I second X-Fade_'s suggestion, 0xffff might give you more verbose error messages too
Nov 26 15:59:07 <dpb_> cy3o3, zoran: http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/os2008beta_for_n800.html <- it's beta.
Nov 26 16:00:12 <Don^> lardman, X-Fade_: 0xffff? now i'm a tiny bit lost.
Nov 26 16:00:36 <matmo_> Don^: happened to me. I remember something about holding a button while switching it on, sry can't recall exactly, maybe search ITT
Nov 26 16:00:40 <X-Fade_> Don^: http://www.nopcode.org/0xFFFF/
Nov 26 16:01:37 <zoran> Don^, I had to push home putton while powering on the device during reflash
Nov 26 16:01:46 <zoran> *button
Nov 26 16:01:47 <Don^> ok
Nov 26 16:02:02 <zoran> Don^, it was 770!
Nov 26 16:02:25 <lardman> Don^: are you using the right flasher? flasher-3.0
Nov 26 16:02:50 <Don^> yup
Nov 26 16:03:00 <Don^> correct flasher.
Nov 26 16:03:10 <Don^> zoran: ok. this is a n800
Nov 26 16:04:28 <matmo_> anyone know how to get network
Nov 26 16:04:36 <matmo_> oops, nm
Nov 26 16:12:01 <Don^> ok. got to go home now. will play around with 0xFFF there.
Nov 26 16:12:16 <Don^> any other suggestions? :D I guess cold flash would require special hardware or did i miss something?
Nov 26 16:12:59 <alterego> You hold the home button when turning it on to flash it I believe.
Nov 26 16:13:34 <zoran> and screem loud
Nov 26 16:13:54 <alterego> Or into a pillow if you have kids.
Nov 26 16:13:57 <lardman> home button doesn't matter
Nov 26 16:14:03 <zoran> ah....
Nov 26 16:14:04 <_Monkey> i guess ah is just links
Nov 26 16:14:37 <zoran> I need one _Monkey to have it with me when talking to persons at work
Nov 26 16:15:51 * Tak always hold home button
Nov 26 16:16:09 <zoran> me too when I have no home key
Nov 26 16:16:40 <alterego> It didn't work with me unless I held the home button ..
Nov 26 16:16:45 <alterego> So I'd say it's required.
Nov 26 16:16:54 <zoran> alterego, also
Nov 26 16:17:15 <lardman> what I do is this: unplug from AC, switch off, plug in usb, start flasher, plug in AC (it then boots by itself)
Nov 26 16:17:31 <hullfandan> Quick dev question. Is is possible to set an application to run at startup?
Nov 26 16:17:35 <zoran> hm, I did with no ac
Nov 26 16:17:39 <Don^> yup. the sequence is ok. i mean to get the whole thing started.
Nov 26 16:17:43 <Don^> it's just that the damn think fails to work.
Nov 26 16:17:49 <alterego> hullfandan, yes. Add an init rc script.
Nov 26 16:17:55 <lardman> hullfandan: /etc/init.d/
Nov 26 16:18:15 <alterego> lardman, sticking a file in there wont make it work :P
Nov 26 16:18:25 <hullfandan> thanks
Nov 26 16:18:35 <Don^> damn.
Nov 26 16:18:36 <alterego> He better look at the whole sysinit system.
Nov 26 16:18:41 <zoran> should be on level 2
Nov 26 16:18:43 <Don^> now back.
Nov 26 16:18:48 <lardman> alterego: no, but it's a start point for googling
Nov 26 16:19:13 <alterego> zoran, unless it's a network dependant app ;)
Nov 26 16:19:21 <lardman> alterego: esp when I couldn't remember "sysinit" ;)
Nov 26 16:19:37 <alterego> Though, I guess that doesn't really make a difference. When the connections handled by conic.
Nov 26 16:20:19 <zoran> alterego, it just has to be behind network options, if let in start up script
Nov 26 16:21:08 <alterego> zoran, level 3 is network. AFIAK level 2 is just system init
Nov 26 16:21:15 <zoran> k
Nov 26 16:21:16 <alterego> multi-user daemons ..
Nov 26 16:21:29 <alterego> But don't quote me ;)
Nov 26 16:21:33 <zoran> :)
Nov 26 16:21:40 <zoran> debian uses 2 for the same thing
Nov 26 16:21:47 <zoran> rh is 3
Nov 26 16:22:40 <zoran> I recall command to see what is and what was the last level on the box, probably who -flag
Nov 26 16:23:00 <zoran> I have no system V handy to check
Nov 26 16:23:34 <alterego> zoran, yeah. I think you're right.
Nov 26 16:23:54 <zoran> it is not who, but just canot recall
Nov 26 16:24:47 <alterego> Actually, 2-5 are multi-user .. Doesn't say anything about their functions singularly. Which is odd for debian to be so lax on something like that.
Nov 26 16:25:26 <alterego> ffs.
Nov 26 16:25:33 <alterego> Why is my .install stuff not working O_O
Nov 26 16:25:35 <zoran> my 770 starts as 2 and with graphics
Nov 26 16:25:50 <alterego> This is a pain in the ass.
Nov 26 16:26:53 * alterego starts to cry.
Nov 26 16:27:13 <X-Fade_> alterego: What are you trying to do?
Nov 26 16:27:27 <alterego> Add a .install file to maemo.org downloads.
Nov 26 16:27:43 <alterego> I've tried both using the URL to specify one on my server and writing it manually.
Nov 26 16:28:06 <X-Fade_> Do you have the right mime-type on your server for .install files?
Nov 26 16:28:30 <X-Fade_> alterego: can you give me the url?
Nov 26 16:28:31 <alterego> That wouldn't make a difference to maemo.org, only if someone was using my server.
Nov 26 16:28:51 <alterego> But yes, I was going to do that. Do you know what the mime type is?
Nov 26 16:29:38 <X-Fade_> alterego: application/x-install-instructions
Nov 26 16:29:49 <alterego> Right.
Nov 26 16:29:51 <alterego> Thanks.
Nov 26 16:30:33 <X-Fade_> alterego: What is the url of your program in downloads?
Nov 26 16:31:16 <alterego> ruby-maemo under software development
Nov 26 16:32:28 <X-Fade_> alterego: nonne != none ;)
Nov 26 16:32:33 <Tak> if you're specifying the URL, your server needs to be correct, because it just redirects
Nov 26 16:32:36 <X-Fade_> alterego: You made a typo..
Nov 26 16:32:42 <alterego> Tak, oh, okay.
Nov 26 16:32:50 <alterego> X-Fade_, you're not looking under OS2008 :P
Nov 26 16:32:59 <X-Fade_> alterego: No, 2007..
Nov 26 16:33:21 <alterego> Yeah, that hasn't got an install yet as I'm editing 2008. Though the install file should work for both ..
Nov 26 16:33:54 <Tak> The chinook-style install files won't work in the 200[67] app managers, though, will they?
Nov 26 16:33:55 <zoran> if someone knows ruby :)
Nov 26 16:33:57 <X-Fade_> alterego: The other one doesn't work because you made another typo ;)
Nov 26 16:34:08 <X-Fade_> alterego: http// instead of http://
Nov 26 16:34:14 <alterego> Oh, crap.
Nov 26 16:34:32 <alterego> No, I didn't typo that.
Nov 26 16:35:20 <X-Fade_> http//maemo.rubyx.co.uk/ruby-maemo/ruby1.8-maemo.install
Nov 26 16:35:27 <X-Fade_> Looks like it to me..
Nov 26 16:36:24 * Tak doesn't know ruby, just abuses it badly
Nov 26 16:36:25 <alterego> ':' isn't valid in a path.
Nov 26 16:36:43 <X-Fade_> alterego: Huh?
Nov 26 16:36:55 <X-Fade_> You just messed up your url, that is all ;)
Nov 26 16:37:08 <alterego> X-Fade_, that "link" you pasted was the second part of the maemo.org install link that barfs.
Nov 26 16:37:26 <X-Fade_> alterego: No it isn't. Edit your app.
Nov 26 16:37:31 <X-Fade_> Want me to fix it?
Nov 26 16:37:39 <alterego> Ah, no you're right ;)
Nov 26 16:37:56 <alterego> Now to figure out why this mime type isn't working ..
Nov 26 16:38:53 <X-Fade_> alterego: Or just enter 'none' in that url field and paste the contents of your .install in 'editable install file'.
Nov 26 16:39:04 <X-Fade_> That way it is fixed too.
Nov 26 16:39:12 <alterego> X-Fade_, did that and it still didn't work ..
Nov 26 16:39:24 <X-Fade_> Because you typed 'nonne'
Nov 26 16:40:00 <alterego> X-Fade_, that wouldn't make a difference. When there are contents in the manual install field it ignores the URL field.
Nov 26 16:40:10 <alterego> So nonne would be ignored regardless of it being typo'd.
Nov 26 16:40:35 <X-Fade_> alterego: No, it then thinks it is an url.
Nov 26 16:40:59 <alterego> "Editable Install File (Overrides the URL link)"
Nov 26 16:41:07 <alterego> So that must mean something completely different then ..
Nov 26 16:42:20 <X-Fade_> alterego: It should override it..
Nov 26 16:42:36 <alterego> Well, I set it to use the manual "editable install file" I set the URL to "none" and it still isn't working.
Nov 26 16:42:53 <X-Fade_> alterego: let me check..
Nov 26 16:43:00 <alterego> Please do :)
Nov 26 16:45:18 <X-Fade_> alterego: Hmm being called away. Will check it when I get back..
Nov 26 16:45:28 <alterego> Well, the mime type is set correctly. But it's just showing as text in my browser O_O
Nov 26 16:45:41 <rene4jazz> hi all, is there something particular with a scracthbox target configured with qemu-arm (cputransp) that can affect the graphical output setup?..My graphical output work's fine with my other target (with no cputransp method selected)
Nov 26 16:46:06 <guardian> graphical ouput of what ?
Nov 26 16:46:12 <guardian> the whole hildon framework ?
Nov 26 16:47:51 <rene4jazz> yep, the whole hildom
Nov 26 16:47:59 <sp3000> hilldoom
Nov 26 16:49:47 <rene4jazz> I execute "af-xxxx start" on the arm target and it seems to connect to the xserver (I tryed with Xephyr and Xvnc ) but no results
Nov 26 16:50:58 <rene4jazz> When I switch to the other target (no arm) the same setup works fine
Nov 26 16:52:32 <alterego> Hmm .. It appears my install file is wrong ..
Nov 26 16:52:35 <alterego> Maybe ..
Nov 26 16:55:15 <rene4jazz> any suggestion?
Nov 26 16:56:47 <Khertan_TheReal> Just a small question ...
Nov 26 16:57:01 <Khertan_TheReal> i'm thinking on mouse gesture for a soft on windows
Nov 26 16:57:18 <Khertan_TheReal> but is it possible to get mouse over all application on maemo ?
Nov 26 16:57:48 <Khertan_TheReal> i explain ... an application that listen a particular mouse gesture in background ...
Nov 26 16:58:01 <zoran> it should be in html
Nov 26 16:58:03 <Khertan_TheReal> and then launch a particular action for this mouse gesture
Nov 26 16:58:22 <zoran> browser depending?
Nov 26 16:58:40 <alterego> Khertan_TheReal, it's certainly possible.
Nov 26 16:59:28 <alterego> Probably easiest to write a home applet that you can perform the gestures in. That way you don't have to badly hack Gtk
Nov 26 16:59:56 <Khertan_TheReal> alterego ... hum ... right :)
Nov 26 17:00:21 <Khertan_TheReal> but you haven't the home without opening keyboard on n810 no ?
Nov 26 17:00:43 <alterego> Sure, the home key is on the left hand side.
Nov 26 17:01:02 <alterego> It's the menu and 5 directional pad that are on the slide out section.
Nov 26 17:01:21 <alterego> (escape and home are on the left hand-side of the device)
Nov 26 17:01:23 <Khertan_TheReal> yes ... you are right
Nov 26 17:01:52 <alterego> :)
Nov 26 17:01:52 <Khertan_TheReal> (i haven't one yet ... so i don't remember how photo are :) )
Nov 26 17:02:23 <Khertan_TheReal> s/photo/photos
Nov 26 17:02:35 <alterego> Well, the home button is one of the most important IMO, for finger navigating as it's for task switching and quick access to home screen.
Nov 26 17:02:43 <bill20r3> Geez the update downloads slowly, anyone have a copy that I can get at >18k/sec ?
Nov 26 17:05:06 <Khertan_TheReal> i can offer you 2ko/s :)
Nov 26 17:05:11 <Khertan_TheReal> no more :)
Nov 26 17:07:19 <bill20r3> do I hear 3?
Nov 26 17:08:41 <alterego> 2.5b/s
Nov 26 17:09:07 <bill20r3> :-(
Nov 26 17:09:31 <alterego> Well .. That's the N800 backed up.
Nov 26 17:09:36 * alterego downloads the latest image.
Nov 26 17:12:43 <alterego> That's odd .. I thought it was only a beta.
Nov 26 17:12:52 <alterego> Why doesn't it have "beta" in the name? :D
Nov 26 17:13:51 <alterego> Cool .. An official OS2008 release for the N800.
Nov 26 17:13:52 <GeneralAntilles> Update?
Nov 26 17:13:55 * alterego starts to salivate.
Nov 26 17:13:57 <bill20r3> yes, please.
Nov 26 17:14:13 <bill20r3> 128meg at 25k/sec. (so far)
Nov 26 17:14:42 <alterego> ~80K/s here
Nov 26 17:14:46 <GeneralAntilles> I wonder if a changelog from 18 is too much to ask.
Nov 26 17:15:48 <alterego> Yes, I'd say it is :P
Nov 26 17:15:55 <alterego> 90K/s :)
Nov 26 17:16:00 <bill20r3> alterego, I'll race you.
Nov 26 17:16:10 <bill20r3> hhe
Nov 26 17:16:11 * alterego thinks of something to do in the next 30 minutes ..
Nov 26 17:16:19 <alterego> 100!
Nov 26 17:16:26 <bill20r3>  :-(
Nov 26 17:16:27 <alterego> It's getting faster :P
Nov 26 17:16:41 <alterego> Shame we can't torrent these really.
Nov 26 17:17:08 <Tak> I don't see why a private tracker can't be set up
Nov 26 17:17:24 <Tak> (by official people)
Nov 26 17:17:24 * bill20r3 blames uu.net
Nov 26 17:17:29 <bill20r3> no kidding.
Nov 26 17:17:39 <alterego> Yeah, would be a good idea.
Nov 26 17:17:40 <bill20r3> the chumby uses torrents for it's updates.
Nov 26 17:17:43 <solmumaha> os2008 feels great, much more responsive
Nov 26 17:18:08 <alterego> Yeah, OS2008 is sweet :)
Nov 26 17:18:10 <Tak> How is the chumby?
Nov 26 17:18:15 <bill20r3> notice any compatibility problems?
Nov 26 17:18:32 <alterego> Appearantly there's an issue with navicore.
Nov 26 17:18:33 <bill20r3> the chumby is like the worlds most over-engineered digital clock.
Nov 26 17:18:39 <alterego> Or something. There's also no skype
Nov 26 17:18:43 <geoffeg> Does OS2008 really up the CPU Freq on the 800?
Nov 26 17:18:52 <alterego> geoffeg, yes. The max is 400Mhz
Nov 26 17:18:55 <Khertan_TheReal> geoffeg> yes
Nov 26 17:19:00 <geoffeg> wow, impressive
Nov 26 17:19:11 <bill20r3> but it's pretty cool, but I wish you could easily develop for it in something besides flash.
Nov 26 17:19:16 <geoffeg> i wonder if a new kernel version also increases battery life
Nov 26 17:19:27 <alterego> I've not done any battery life tests but I'd say the tablet's running 2008 last as long (maybe longer) as those with 2007
Nov 26 17:19:37 <GeneralAntilles> Uh, Python or Ruby, bill20r3?
Nov 26 17:19:45 <geoffeg> (i heard that the OLPC guys submitted lots of patches to the linux kernel to improve battery life)
Nov 26 17:20:04 <geoffeg> also, does OS2008 for the N800 come with the mapping software that the 810 comes with?
Nov 26 17:20:11 <Tak> bill20r3: yeah, that's kind of a turnoff
Nov 26 17:20:13 <alterego> IT should do.
Nov 26 17:20:36 * alterego notices that OS2008 is ~40M larger than OS2007 ..
Nov 26 17:20:38 <GeneralAntilles> Oh, Chumby.
Nov 26 17:20:39 <_Monkey> somebody said chumby was like the worlds most over-engineered digital clock.
Nov 26 17:20:39 <GeneralAntilles> Right
Nov 26 17:20:48 * GeneralAntilles wakes up.
Nov 26 17:20:59 <bill20r3> general, if you want it to work with the existing widgets (ant the chumby.com site), it has to be flash.
Nov 26 17:21:08 <bill20r3> at least so far that's the case.
Nov 26 17:22:02 <geoffeg> is it easy to go back to OS2007 if I don't like 2008?
Nov 26 17:22:38 <GeneralAntilles> Just a reflash.
Nov 26 17:22:43 <GeneralAntilles> But, trust me, you'll like it. :)
Nov 26 17:22:57 <GeneralAntilles> I guess today is where we get to test the backup utility.
Nov 26 17:22:57 <geoffeg> i'm concerned about some the apps i use not being available
Nov 26 17:23:24 <GeneralAntilles> Which?
Nov 26 17:23:32 <geoffeg> Evince for one
Nov 26 17:23:45 <alterego> I think it's nice that Nokia are doing exactly what I said they should do. Though, this stratagy (beta naming) is probably good as it makes "end" users more cautions. They should know that there are barely any apps for 2008
Nov 26 17:23:58 <geoffeg> cause the built in pdf reader in 2007 sucks
Nov 26 17:24:01 <GeneralAntilles> PDF reader with OS2008 is much nicer.
Nov 26 17:24:03 <bill20r3> don't 2007 apps run ok?
Nov 26 17:24:07 <GeneralAntilles> No
Nov 26 17:24:10 <GeneralAntilles> Gtk API break.
Nov 26 17:24:17 <alterego> Gtk .. Glibc ..
Nov 26 17:24:48 <alterego> OS2008 is crispy new 2007 was a relic as far as mainstream developments are concerned :)
Nov 26 17:24:48 <bill20r3> lousy.
Nov 26 17:24:52 <geoffeg> GeneralAntilles: my main gripe was that it wasn't easy to go from page to page in full-screen mode when reading a pdf.. if they fixed that i'm very happy
Nov 26 17:24:59 <bill20r3> maybe I'll give it a week or three.
Nov 26 17:25:02 <alterego> Most apps just require a recompile though.
Nov 26 17:25:05 <geoffeg> what about mplayer?
Nov 26 17:25:18 <alterego> geoffeg, or check that the apps you want are in the catalog.
Nov 26 17:25:25 <GeneralAntilles> They did, geoffeg.
Nov 26 17:25:40 <GeneralAntilles> mplayer has a beta out, geoffeg.
Nov 26 17:25:45 * alterego plugs in the cable of doom.
Nov 26 17:25:45 <geoffeg> GeneralAntilles: The biggest question i have is if the mapping app is included?
Nov 26 17:26:02 <GeneralAntilles> Yes, but no navigation yet.
Nov 26 17:26:13 <GeneralAntilles> maemo mapper is available as well.
Nov 26 17:26:16 <alterego> No navicore.
Nov 26 17:26:21 <geoffeg> ok, i'll ugprade tonight.. i have to upgrade to the latest OS2007 because the version i'm running now ate my 8GB SDHC card
Nov 26 17:26:29 <geoffeg> no navicore? that sucks!
Nov 26 17:26:29 <GeneralAntilles> Why does everybody seem to think the API break is a bad thing?
Nov 26 17:26:40 <geoffeg> i was gonna get a bluetooth GPS thing and use navicore in my car!
Nov 26 17:26:44 <alterego> GeneralAntilles, only users think it is a bad thing ;)
Nov 26 17:26:53 <GeneralAntilles> Ha, I'm a user!
Nov 26 17:26:56 <alterego> "Oh no .. My apps stopped workzing!"
Nov 26 17:26:56 <L0cutus> hi
Nov 26 17:26:57 <_Monkey> que tal, L0cutus
Nov 26 17:27:07 <alterego> Me, I couldn't care less.
Nov 26 17:27:19 <alterego> ruby-maemo is up to date :_
Nov 26 17:27:20 <GeneralAntilles> geoffeg, the Maps application will do that, as well as maemo mapper.
Nov 26 17:27:28 <alterego> Tested and works great on OS2008
Nov 26 17:27:34 <L0cutus> is possible to backup my os2007 w/apps&cfg on my SD and to restore it if i reflash ?
Nov 26 17:27:58 <GeneralAntilles> OS2007 apps wont work under OS2008
Nov 26 17:28:08 <geoffeg> GeneralAntilles: Wait, that makes it sound like there are three maps apps.. I have maemo mapper.. I know that navicore is the app included with the N810.. what is "The Maps application"?
Nov 26 17:28:29 <L0cutus> GeneralAntilles: i plan to upgrade to the new os2008 beta, if i need, i back to os2007 and restore backup
Nov 26 17:28:33 <alterego> geoffeg, navicore isn't included with 810
Nov 26 17:28:35 <GeneralAntilles> Navicore OS2007 -> Maps OS2008, basically.
Nov 26 17:28:58 <geoffeg> oh, so there is a mapping app included with the OS2008 image for the N800?
Nov 26 17:29:03 <GeneralAntilles> Yes.
Nov 26 17:29:12 <GeneralAntilles> Just no navigation yet.
Nov 26 17:29:13 <geoffeg> Can it do routing?
Nov 26 17:29:15 <geoffeg> oh, o,
Nov 26 17:29:16 <geoffeg> ok
Nov 26 17:29:21 <geoffeg> "yet"
Nov 26 17:29:22 <GeneralAntilles> Just use maemo mapper for that.
Nov 26 17:29:25 <GeneralAntilles> or wait a couple weeks.
Nov 26 17:29:26 <L0cutus> but i don't know what is saving it actually
Nov 26 17:30:19 <GeneralAntilles> The service wont be active until December 15th (my guess, anyway).
Nov 26 17:31:34 <geoffeg> i just wanted to know if i should ask for a "bluetooth gps receiver" for xmas or a "garmin streetpilot" :)
Nov 26 17:31:47 <alterego> N810 ..
Nov 26 17:31:48 <GeneralAntilles> bluetooth
Nov 26 17:31:52 <geoffeg> yep
Nov 26 17:31:55 <GeneralAntilles> i-blue 737/757
Nov 26 17:32:00 <GeneralAntilles> then a bunch of SDHC cards.
Nov 26 17:32:05 <alterego> Heh
Nov 26 17:32:15 <geoffeg> i have an 8GB SDHC card
Nov 26 17:32:29 <L0cutus> hum seems tha backup utility doesn't save applications...
Nov 26 17:32:33 <GeneralAntilles> Get 3
Nov 26 17:32:35 <GeneralAntilles> and a 16GB
Nov 26 17:32:36 <geoffeg> (well, i will as soon as Kingston ships my replacement card.. my n800 ate my last one)
Nov 26 17:32:41 <alterego> I thought it odd. That the N810 uses mini SD (micro with adapter) yet the recommended accessories show a micro SD. I wonder if that comes with an adapter ..
Nov 26 17:32:50 <GeneralAntilles> Though I hear West Marine is running some pretty extreme discounts on the Garmin Nuvis, so why not get both!
Nov 26 17:33:22 <geoffeg> GeneralAntilles: The less gadgets i have to deal with the better.. and the screen on the N800 is so nice for maps
Nov 26 17:34:39 <alterego> Unless you live somewhere where there's sun light
Nov 26 17:34:44 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
Nov 26 17:34:46 <Khertan_TheReal> jut a dumb question, does the 44 is the week number of the release on "RX-34_2008SE_1.2007.44-4_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin"
Nov 26 17:34:58 <Khertan_TheReal> just take a look at the other firmware
Nov 26 17:34:58 <alterego> Khertan, indeed it is.
Nov 26 17:35:12 <GeneralAntilles> Garmin's are just so wonderfully brain-dead easy to use these days.
Nov 26 17:35:14 <alterego> Khertan, 44 is week number then the -4 following is build number in that week.
Nov 26 17:35:25 <Khertan_TheReal> but 4 week before it s available to public
Nov 26 17:35:27 <Khertan_TheReal> ouch
Nov 26 17:35:37 <Khertan_TheReal> long test for beta test os :)
Nov 26 17:35:46 <alterego> Not really.
Nov 26 17:35:55 <alterego> Windows Vista Beta was about 6 months.
Nov 26 17:36:15 <Khertan_TheReal> yeah but for windows vista it's not enough
Nov 26 17:36:25 <Khertan_TheReal> everybody know that :)
Nov 26 17:36:31 <Khertan_TheReal> it should be 5 years
Nov 26 17:36:45 <alterego> Meh, I've got friends that are quite happy with Vista
Nov 26 17:36:54 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
Nov 26 17:36:58 <Khertan_TheReal> alterego> happy for us :)
Nov 26 17:37:18 <Khertan_TheReal> alterego> it ve not passed the install process for me :)
Nov 26 17:37:20 <alterego> Not really, I have to fix their machines when it breaks.
Nov 26 17:37:51 <Khertan_TheReal> lol alterego;)
Nov 26 17:38:22 <alterego> 10
Nov 26 17:38:23 <alterego> 9
Nov 26 17:38:24 <alterego> 8
Nov 26 17:38:32 <GeneralAntilles> STALL!
Nov 26 17:38:36 <alterego> 6
Nov 26 17:38:38 <alterego> 1
Nov 26 17:38:39 <alterego> 0
Nov 26 17:38:41 <alterego> WOO!
Nov 26 17:38:42 <Khertan_TheReal> STALL !!!!
Nov 26 17:38:51 <Khertan_TheReal> lol GeneralAntilles :)
Nov 26 17:39:12 * alterego dusts off the flasher-3.0 exec
Nov 26 17:41:51 <alterego> Woops, forgot to do it as root and got a bit scared when it said "Operation not permitted" :)
Nov 26 17:42:01 <Khertan_TheReal> lol
Nov 26 17:42:08 <Khertan_TheReal> what are you doing ?
Nov 26 17:42:16 <alterego> Flashing OS2008 onto my N800
Nov 26 17:42:21 <alterego> 25%
Nov 26 17:42:34 <Khertan_TheReal> ah ... i ll wait to be at home ...
Nov 26 17:42:46 <Khertan_TheReal> i don't trust my work computer for this ...
Nov 26 17:42:50 <alterego> Hah
Nov 26 17:42:51 <Khertan_TheReal> (windows ... brrrrr)
Nov 26 17:43:02 <alterego> Doesn't matter where you do it you'll always get a bit scared ;)
Nov 26 17:43:14 <alterego> I'd really like to get a serial cable ..
Nov 26 17:43:31 <alterego> czr, any chance of you sending my a serial cable? :P
Nov 26 17:43:40 <alterego> 75%
Nov 26 17:44:04 <Khertan_TheReal> at home i ve sometime electrics shutdown ... maybe one time a week for less than 1s
Nov 26 17:44:26 <Khertan_TheReal> but i hope i ll not flashing a firmware when the next come
Nov 26 17:44:34 <sp3000> laptops ftw :)
Nov 26 17:44:41 <Khertan_TheReal> hИhИ
Nov 26 17:44:44 <alterego> Well, luckily, how the flash is segregated it's most likely to happen during flashing the rootfs. Which won't brick the device.
Nov 26 17:44:54 <alterego> Anyhow, I'm flashed :)
Nov 26 17:44:54 <Khertan_TheReal> it s more dangerous from my laptop :)
Nov 26 17:45:06 * alterego bootz
Nov 26 17:45:28 <GeneralAntilles> laptops suck, sp3000. :P
Nov 26 17:45:44 <alterego> Okay, when do I start submitting bug reports?
Nov 26 17:46:00 <sp3000> GeneralAntilles: but batteris can be useful :)
Nov 26 17:46:03 <mgedmin> GeneralAntilles: I think you mean 'vacuum cleaners'
Nov 26 17:46:03 <sp3000> batteries even
Nov 26 17:46:17 <GeneralAntilles> That's what UPSes are for!
Nov 26 17:46:50 <alterego> Hmm .. I should figure out a name for my next device.
Nov 26 17:46:53 <Khertan_TheReal> yes ;) but mine is dead ... i really need to take time to buy another
Nov 26 17:47:04 <Khertan_TheReal> kN810 :)
Nov 26 17:47:17 <alterego> No, I mean hostname.
Nov 26 17:47:18 <Khertan_TheReal> it would be the name of my next device :)
Nov 26 17:47:22 <alterego> I name all my machines after planets.
Nov 26 17:47:34 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe, I did "Hermes" for my first 770, then "Hermes 2.0" for the N800 and "Hermes 1.5" for my second 770.
Nov 26 17:47:36 <alterego> Well, astrological bodies :)
Nov 26 17:49:25 <Khertan_TheReal> PSR B1257
Nov 26 17:49:42 <Khertan_TheReal> the first exo planet discovered if i remember :)
Nov 26 17:49:51 <Khertan_TheReal> oups ... no ... psr ... it s the pulsar
Nov 26 17:50:02 <Khertan_TheReal> near the first exo planet discovered
Nov 26 17:50:55 <Khertan_TheReal> TMR-1C is the first exoplanet discovered in 1992
Nov 26 17:50:56 <Khertan_TheReal> :)
Nov 26 17:51:25 <Khertan_TheReal> nice name, isn't it ?
Nov 26 17:51:36 <alterego> If I wanted to give it a serial number I would just use my MAC address :P
Nov 26 17:51:45 <Khertan_TheReal> lol
Nov 26 17:52:12 <Khertan_TheReal> me my all device host name begin with 'k' :)
Nov 26 17:52:46 <alterego> I have .. Jupiter, Neptune, Earth and Lunar
Nov 26 17:52:55 <Khertan_TheReal> pluton ;)
Nov 26 17:53:13 <alterego> I think the N810 will be Mars :)
Nov 26 17:53:24 <alterego> Mars or Mecury
Nov 26 17:53:30 <Khertan_TheReal> Nibiru
Nov 26 17:54:44 * alterego contemplates sending a bug report.
Nov 26 17:55:11 <Tak> I wonder why planets are so common for hostnames
Nov 26 17:55:17 <Khertan_TheReal> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nibiru_%28hypothetical_planet%29
Nov 26 17:55:34 <alterego> Tak, probably something to do with the geek mentality.
Nov 26 17:55:45 <alterego> It's either planets or cartoon characters.
Nov 26 17:55:46 <Khertan_TheReal> should be great for n810 ... the hypothetical available device :)
Nov 26 17:56:28 <alterego> Basically, the planets are only for my personal devices which don't have a specific purpose in life.
Nov 26 17:56:41 <Khertan_TheReal> i ve a friend wich give the name of candy to his device
Nov 26 17:56:53 <alterego> Where as my work machines that are used for very specific things have names that reflect their usage in the network.
Nov 26 17:56:53 <Khertan_TheReal> :)
Nov 26 17:57:23 <Khertan_TheReal> alterego > you are lucky at my old work it was some starwars references ...
Nov 26 17:57:29 <Khertan_TheReal> (i was in a bank)
Nov 26 17:57:42 <alterego> Hahah
Nov 26 17:57:43 <Khertan_TheReal> very easy to find the right boc
Nov 26 17:57:48 <Khertan_TheReal> s/boc/box
Nov 26 17:57:50 <alterego> Was your boss Darth Vadar?
Nov 26 17:58:01 <Khertan_TheReal> so let s go to home ... see u later
Nov 26 17:58:03 <Tak> heh, at my last job they were Texas cities
Nov 26 17:58:11 <Khertan_TheReal> bye
Nov 26 17:58:46 * alterego deletes all the crap that's in the default install.
Nov 26 18:00:45 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe, 50MB of media and manuals in every language on the planet.
Nov 26 18:00:55 <alterego> Theoretically. This is the last full flash I should ever have to do ..
Nov 26 18:01:06 <alterego> Yeah ..
Nov 26 18:01:33 <alterego> My rootfs is now 94M :)
Nov 26 18:01:49 * alterego starts setting up dual booting.
Nov 26 18:01:51 <fysa> what is?  the newly released dev beta?
Nov 26 18:01:59 <alterego> fysa, yes.
Nov 26 18:03:33 <alterego> I suppose whilst I'm playing around with this I could download all the maps for my region ..
Nov 26 18:05:16 <GeneralAntilles> Just make sure you have at least twice the SD card space available.
Nov 26 18:05:30 <GeneralAntilles> (Not as much of an issue for you non-US folks, I guess, though).
Nov 26 18:05:37 <alterego> Yeah
Nov 26 18:05:43 * alterego downloads the planet.
Nov 26 18:07:03 <GeneralAntilles> Aha, those little notches on my scrollbar in Colloquy that I've been thinking were artifacts are actually highlights. >_>
Nov 26 18:07:41 <troofs> how do i fix that libconf something error wheni try to install mapper 2
Nov 26 18:09:24 <alterego> One of these days I'm gonna have to clean the screen ..
Nov 26 18:09:55 <Mmm810> Any coder, spending time in shell friendly BT keyboards yall like for these nokias? I just got 810 thx
Nov 26 18:10:07 * GeneralAntilles plugs his backup N800 batteries back into the 770s.
Nov 26 18:10:46 * mgedmin kind of misses the Home/End/PgUp/PgDn/Insert keys on the Apple wireless keyboard
Nov 26 18:11:41 <alterego> It's taking a _long_ time to download these maps. I wonder if there's high traffic .. ^_^
Nov 26 18:11:46 <Mmm810> Yeh i heard nice but for that on apple and ctrl
Nov 26 18:11:57 <troofs> the nokia isn't exactly the most practical gps device.
Nov 26 18:12:01 <GeneralAntilles> It took forever under tho N810 firmware, too.
Nov 26 18:12:14 <troofs> i guess if you need to know where youre going you could always pull over and score an access point.
Nov 26 18:12:16 <Tak> hmm - does the n810 hw keyboard allow multiple, simultaneous keypresses?
Nov 26 18:12:33 <alterego> Tak, indeed it does
Nov 26 18:12:34 <troofs> uh, i would think so.
Nov 26 18:12:42 <alterego> Yes, it does.
Nov 26 18:12:51 * GeneralAntilles flashes away.
Nov 26 18:13:40 <alterego> Once I've setup this install I'm gonna do a full backup and create my own custom fiasco image me thinks.
Nov 26 18:15:15 <pupnik> lets beg the applewin author to open his emu up
Nov 26 18:15:31 <alterego> applewin?
Nov 26 18:15:50 <Tak> troofs: You would think so, but the hardware buttons on the previous ITs have led me to be pessimistic.
Nov 26 18:16:58 <alterego> IT IS!
Nov 26 18:17:03 <alterego> IT says so in the manual :P
Nov 26 18:17:18 <alterego> (hold ctrl + del
Nov 26 18:17:18 <pupnik> hem
Nov 26 18:17:28 <alterego> (hold fn + blah)
Nov 26 18:19:28 <GeneralAntilles> Ha: "Your acceptance has expired!" on the firmware download page.
Nov 26 18:20:04 <bill20r3> bleh, mine is down to 3.2k/second.
Nov 26 18:20:15 <GeneralAntilles> Mine died at 85MB
Nov 26 18:21:09 <GeneralAntilles> 2.8KB/sec
Nov 26 18:21:10 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
Nov 26 18:22:53 <alterego> Jeez, mine went steady at 80-100K/s
Nov 26 18:23:13 <alterego> And that's probably because of my ISP throttling in the evening :P
Nov 26 18:26:11 * alterego uninstalls crap.
Nov 26 18:26:29 <alterego> Hmm .. I can't uninstall gizmo.
Nov 26 18:26:59 * alterego tries to remember the text to enable red pill mode.
Nov 26 18:27:13 <GeneralAntilles> Oh, come on . . .
Nov 26 18:27:17 <GeneralAntilles> Seriously?
Nov 26 18:27:41 <GeneralAntilles> matrix <_<
Nov 26 18:27:45 <alterego> Right,
Nov 26 18:27:50 <alterego> then click cancel right?
Nov 26 18:27:55 <GeneralAntilles> Yeppers.
Nov 26 18:27:59 <GeneralAntilles> Make sure its in the URL field.
Nov 26 18:28:06 <alterego> I've not done it in ages :P
Nov 26 18:28:13 <GeneralAntilles> But . . . Matrix.
Nov 26 18:28:22 <alterego> Yeah ,, Seems so obvious now ^_^
Nov 26 18:29:03 <alterego> 14M/140M of map data :/
Nov 26 18:29:07 <alterego> This is taking for ever.
Nov 26 18:29:13 <alterego> Though, I'm not exactly in a rush :D
Nov 26 18:29:23 <GeneralAntilles> Try 750MB. ;)
Nov 26 18:29:27 <alterego> Heh
Nov 26 18:29:33 <alterego> Leave it over night ;)
Nov 26 18:29:44 <L0cutus> uff the nokia case SU-31 is unavailable
Nov 26 18:29:55 <alterego> "uff"?
Nov 26 18:30:10 <alterego> OR is that just the sound you make when you're disappointed that a nokia product is unavailable
Nov 26 18:30:10 <L0cutus> Italian word (gh)
Nov 26 18:30:11 <alterego> ?
Nov 26 18:30:32 <L0cutus> good the first :)
Nov 26 18:31:10 <alterego> Anyone know what eZiText is?
Nov 26 18:31:26 <GeneralAntilles> http://www.zicorp.com/eZiText.htm
Nov 26 18:32:12 <alterego> Ah, that's part of the input method then.
Nov 26 18:32:31 <alterego> I presume it's safe to remove some langs I don't need.
Nov 26 18:32:56 <alterego> Oh crap, it's got a dep >:(
Nov 26 18:37:06 <alterego> Helix client aye ..
Nov 26 18:37:13 <GeneralAntilles> Anybody have a way to change the lowest brightness setting in software in OS2008 to the lowest hardware brightness setting?
Nov 26 18:37:16 <pupnik> SU-31 sounds like a russian fighter jet
Nov 26 18:37:22 <alterego> gconf
Nov 26 18:37:51 <alterego> GeneralAntilles, there's a key in gconf. Unfortunately I don't know it off the top of my head.
Nov 26 18:38:01 <pupnik> http://www.suchoj.com/ab1953/Su-31/home.shtml  oh, sports plane :)
Nov 26 18:38:08 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe, I was going to say. :P
Nov 26 18:38:10 <alterego> Hah
Nov 26 18:38:21 <GeneralAntilles> It's a bit more than a "sports plane"
Nov 26 18:38:26 <GeneralAntilles> One of the greatest stunt planes on the planet. :P
Nov 26 18:39:06 * matt_c feels bad for the poor server.
Nov 26 18:39:16 <matt_c> Mine died partway through too.
Nov 26 18:39:37 <GeneralAntilles> No its dying at around 1-2MB
Nov 26 18:39:45 <GeneralAntilles> Mirror it, alterego. :P
Nov 26 18:40:44 <alterego> Mirror what?
Nov 26 18:40:57 <GeneralAntilles> The OS2008 image.
Nov 26 18:41:04 <GeneralAntilles> *No = now
Nov 26 18:41:36 <alterego> How can I be sure your MAC is valid?
Nov 26 18:41:41 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
Nov 26 18:42:11 <alterego> Seriously, I would but I don't want to get into trouble.
Nov 26 18:42:27 <alterego> If someone from nokia says I can mirror it I will :)
Nov 26 18:42:33 * GeneralAntilles is going to stick with the N810 release until Nokia fixes its crappy servers.
Nov 26 18:42:47 <alterego> It's probably just under a lot of load.
Nov 26 18:43:11 <GeneralAntilles> Certainly, but how many N800 users are likely to be downloading this. :P
Nov 26 18:43:12 <L0cutus> after all it is only a beta :)
Nov 26 18:43:17 <GeneralAntilles> They need some real servers.
Nov 26 18:43:23 <doc|work> any sign of a version of opera > 8.5 coming to the n800?
Nov 26 18:43:48 <GeneralAntilles> It's called MicroB and its based on Mozilla.
Nov 26 18:43:48 <alterego> Erm .. No Opera
Nov 26 18:43:50 <gla55_> up to opera themselfs if nokias dropped them in favor of microb
Nov 26 18:44:28 <doc|work> and that won't be until 2008 is released?
Nov 26 18:44:28 <alterego> GeneralAntilles, what country are you in?
Nov 26 18:44:34 <GeneralAntilles> US
Nov 26 18:44:46 <alterego> Might be a problem with the trans-atlantic pipes.
Nov 26 18:44:51 <alterego> Maybe use a proxy? :)
Nov 26 18:45:16 <alterego> I find when connecting to the US, it's best to connect via one of my servers as the host obviously has a much better connection to the US than I do.
Nov 26 18:45:19 <|R> haha
Nov 26 18:45:55 <alterego> Ooo .. If I uninstall macromedia-flashplayer I can remove all those buggy adverts ..
Nov 26 18:46:08 <alterego> Mozilla screws up some sites that have flash ads >:(
Nov 26 18:46:40 <GeneralAntilles> Flash should die.
Nov 26 18:46:45 <|R> indeed...
Nov 26 18:46:50 * alterego agrees
Nov 26 18:46:50 <doc|work> hmmm, so, what package do I install under os2007 to get microb? there seems to be only some localisation packages
Nov 26 18:47:00 <alterego> I prefer Java applets to flash.
Nov 26 18:47:03 <doc|work> ugh
Nov 26 18:47:07 <GeneralAntilles> http://browser.garage.maemo.org/
Nov 26 18:47:10 <alterego> For things that really require client side power.
Nov 26 18:47:25 <doc|work> GeneralAntilles: thanks
Nov 26 18:47:39 <alterego> Hah, there's a package called "Operating System" :)
Nov 26 18:48:09 <doc|work> hmmm, that website design kinda breaks when you don't have its window at a certain res
Nov 26 18:48:29 <GeneralAntilles> It's intended for the tablets.
Nov 26 18:48:36 <doc|work> ah
Nov 26 18:48:45 <GeneralAntilles> But it works fine on here. :\
Nov 26 18:48:50 <doc|work> so much for device independent web :)
Nov 26 18:49:07 <GeneralAntilles> Pft
Nov 26 18:49:55 <doc|work> hmm, even on my tablet it's broken
Nov 26 18:49:57 <pupnik> all the web needed was a protocol for client to specify window size in pixels
Nov 26 18:49:58 <pupnik> imo
Nov 26 18:50:04 <alterego> I've started using facebook a bit and that renders like crap on the N800
Nov 26 18:50:04 <pupnik> so much screwed up on the www
Nov 26 18:50:06 <doc|work> the main content area over the buttons
Nov 26 18:50:19 <GeneralAntilles> facebook is so 2006
Nov 26 18:50:22 * Tak ditto alterego @ java vs flash
Nov 26 18:50:26 <alterego> You have to zoom out to 80% ..
Nov 26 18:50:38 <doc|work> pupnik: no, that's kinda pointless seeing as you can't really set the resolution on a device
Nov 26 18:50:48 <alterego> Tak, and I don't even like Java that much ;)
Nov 26 18:50:50 <doc|work> what if the device has less pixels than the moron web designer wanted
Nov 26 18:50:55 <doc|work> liquid layout ftw
Nov 26 18:51:10 <pupnik> doc|work: for the web site to adapt the layout to your resolution
Nov 26 18:51:28 <doc|work> pupnik: but then the designer has to create a layout for every resolution
Nov 26 18:51:47 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, liquid layouts are the way to go.
Nov 26 18:51:48 <doc|work> makes much more sense to have a liquid layout that flows correctly
Nov 26 18:51:51 <doc|work> indeed
Nov 26 18:52:24 <pupnik> i think the whole thing is so bass ackwards it's like trying to explain free markets to a marxist
Nov 26 18:52:56 <GeneralAntilles> Hahaha
Nov 26 18:53:08 <GeneralAntilles> The terminology just doesn't translate, pupnik. ;)
Nov 26 18:53:40 <doc|work> and the weird thing about reading that is that I didn't even parse bass ackwards that way, it read fine to me :/
Nov 26 18:53:47 <pupnik> :)
Nov 26 18:53:57 <doc|work> also, 7+ fucking megs for a browser....
Nov 26 18:53:59 <GeneralAntilles> So, when is mplayer going to outdo the Media player in H.264 playback?
Nov 26 18:54:08 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, same here, doc|work.
Nov 26 18:54:14 <GeneralAntilles> I didn't notice until you mentioned it. :P
Nov 26 18:54:16 <pupnik> i'll finish our browser technology from 1988 sometime
Nov 26 18:54:21 <pupnik> it was called 'bob' :)
Nov 26 18:54:26 <doc|work> can you make it so it's not fucking bloated
Nov 26 18:54:30 <doc|work> 7 megs?!
Nov 26 18:54:47 <Tak> it's easy to make a browser that's not bloated
Nov 26 18:55:05 <doc|work> not if its based off netscape :)
Nov 26 18:55:05 <pupnik> it was basically a primitive flash - we were using it on a BBS in minnesota
Nov 26 18:55:12 <Tak> wait, you want flash support, java support, and a javascript engine?  never mind.
Nov 26 18:55:19 <L0cutus> any news on xchat on os2008?
Nov 26 18:55:22 <alterego> Hah
Nov 26 18:55:30 <doc|work> the first two are plugins
Nov 26 18:55:38 <Tak> ...which require a plugin api
Nov 26 18:55:41 <alterego> I'd settle for JavaScript and Canvas support ..
Nov 26 18:55:44 <doc|work> right, one api
Nov 26 18:55:55 <doc|work> and yeah, I'd be happy enough without flash and java :)
Nov 26 18:56:03 <Tak> lol - it's not like an extension api is three lines of code
Nov 26 18:56:08 <deejoe> hehe, everyone would settle for just one or two features.  take the union of those, and blammo, a big bouncy browser.
Nov 26 18:56:11 <doc|work> Tak: use perl!
Nov 26 18:56:13 * doc|work runs!
Nov 26 18:56:23 <alterego> Ruby!
Nov 26 18:56:26 <Tak> Ruby!
Nov 26 18:56:32 <alterego> Hell, you can use GtkMozEmbed ..
Nov 26 18:56:41 <alterego> With Ruby-maemo 0.4.0
Nov 26 18:57:05 <alterego> I decided to be a bit cheeky and I added support for libvte and gtkmozembed :)
Nov 26 18:57:10 <doc|work> so, I just installed this browser, does it overwrite opera?
Nov 26 18:57:29 <doc|work> or at least take its menu slot?
Nov 26 18:57:35 <GeneralAntilles> Yes.
Nov 26 18:57:37 <alterego> So we can now make "Ruby Termz" and "Ruby Webz" :)
Nov 26 18:58:09 <doc|work> ok, cool
Nov 26 18:58:30 * Tak in ur webz, yieldin' ur procs
Nov 26 18:58:48 <doc|work> hehehe
Nov 26 18:59:05 * alterego waves good bye to gizmo and skype :)
Nov 26 18:59:37 <doc|work> argh, that's not ideal. When you use the stylus to try and drag the page up, you can't be within a fieldset, or it does nothing, which sucks in webapps :/
Nov 26 18:59:51 <captlloyd_> Hmm
Nov 26 19:00:00 <alterego> A lot of things suck with the touch scrolling.
Nov 26 19:00:05 <captlloyd_> I still can't get the voice chat to work on my N810
Nov 26 19:00:15 <alterego> It's probably better to use the hold up/down keys
Nov 26 19:00:33 <captlloyd_> I put it outside the NAT firewall , still no sound can be heard and noone hears me
Nov 26 19:00:34 <alterego> captainigloo, gizmo worked perfectly for me.
Nov 26 19:00:35 <doc|work> that just goes from input field to field
Nov 26 19:00:40 <pupnik>  ~SPAEA ME MAI LIFE~  \o\  /o/  \o/  _o_
Nov 26 19:00:43 <captlloyd_> Hmm
Nov 26 19:00:47 <captlloyd_> I'll try gizmo
Nov 26 19:01:06 <doc|work> methinks pupnik has been drinkin'
Nov 26 19:01:08 <captlloyd_> I was hoping to use the googley one because everyone I know has it already
Nov 26 19:01:11 <captlloyd_> heh
Nov 26 19:01:56 <alterego> I'm gonna make a few cool tablet backgrounds ..
Nov 26 19:01:56 <doc|work> captlloyd_: use sip
Nov 26 19:02:19 <captlloyd_> I don't know anything about sip really
Nov 26 19:02:30 <captlloyd_> I know its a protocol that's used for VoIP
Nov 26 19:02:31 <doc|work> I don't have the name of the client I was using, but it' something like rtcomm or some such
Nov 26 19:02:37 <captlloyd_> Ahh
Nov 26 19:02:38 <captlloyd_> ok
Nov 26 19:02:40 <doc|work> that's basically it :)
Nov 26 19:02:42 <captlloyd_> I will look into that
Nov 26 19:03:15 * doc|work continues to wait for boxwave to send me my damn screen protectors
Nov 26 19:03:42 <GeneralAntilles> I'm doing a climate theme on mine, alterego. Desert for my original, old 770, green hills for the newer 770 and snowy mountains for the N800.
Nov 26 19:03:55 <doc|work> two 770s?
Nov 26 19:04:06 <doc|work> work for noka?
Nov 26 19:04:07 <alterego> GeneralAntilles, heh. Should you not be going the other way and tracking global warming? :)
Nov 26 19:04:08 <doc|work> +i
Nov 26 19:04:11 <GeneralAntilles> Got one in the woot deal.
Nov 26 19:04:19 <doc|work> woot deal?
Nov 26 19:04:26 <GeneralAntilles> $135USD
Nov 26 19:04:30 <doc|work> o.O
Nov 26 19:04:32 <doc|work> how?!
Nov 26 19:04:44 <doc|work> no! don't tell me. Must not buy more shineh!
Nov 26 19:04:46 <GeneralAntilles> It's partly a backup battery for my N800 and partly an extra for the couch.
Nov 26 19:04:46 <alterego> 770's are dirt cheap now.
Nov 26 19:04:53 <doc|work> that
Nov 26 19:04:55 <doc|work> is true
Nov 26 19:04:59 <GeneralAntilles> Get the N800 from buy.com for $190.
Nov 26 19:05:11 <alterego> Yeah, N800's are also pretty damn cheap.
Nov 26 19:05:11 <_Monkey> okay, alterego.
Nov 26 19:05:14 <GeneralAntilles> and the other was from November 2005. ;)
Nov 26 19:05:15 <doc|work> was going to, they don't ship to canada now :/
Nov 26 19:05:22 <doc|work> got one in .ca for 264+tax
Nov 26 19:05:28 <alterego> _Monkey N800
Nov 26 19:05:29 <_Monkey> alterego: excuse me?
Nov 26 19:05:29 <doc|work> not bad really
Nov 26 19:05:34 <alterego> N800?
Nov 26 19:05:41 <doc|work> yup
Nov 26 19:05:51 <alterego> I want to know why he was saying okay to me O_O
Nov 26 19:06:18 <doc|work> looks like he'll never know....
Nov 26 19:10:42 <doc|work> you know what's annoying? the on/off button on the n800 :/
Nov 26 19:10:58 <doc|work> wb
Nov 26 19:11:01 <pupnik> why doc|work ?
Nov 26 19:11:03 <captlloyd_> anyone here used the google based voice chat on their N810?
Nov 26 19:11:08 <pupnik> delay?
Nov 26 19:11:18 <alterego> That was interesting.
Nov 26 19:11:26 <doc|work> you have to get your nail in exactly the right place, push it in a good bit
Nov 26 19:11:36 <doc|work> a slide switch would have been better :/
Nov 26 19:11:48 <captlloyd_> I just tried to switch windows on this laptop by touching the screen, lol
Nov 26 19:11:56 <doc|work> captlloyd_: haha
Nov 26 19:11:56 <captlloyd_> I caught myself when I was about to touch it.
Nov 26 19:12:06 <captlloyd_> I was like. "uhh, oh yeah"
Nov 26 19:12:57 <GeneralAntilles> Just use your finger tip, doc|work.
Nov 26 19:13:01 <GeneralAntilles> Nail isn't necessary. ;)
Nov 26 19:13:09 <pupnik> doc|work: it'd need to be software controlled regardless - for sync/shutdown and sending sigterm to the running apps
Nov 26 19:13:34 <pupnik> it's not like psion with nvram or whatever
Nov 26 19:13:39 <ajturner> was there ever a follow up on when discount codes would be able to be used?
Nov 26 19:14:20 <Tak> word is ca. 15 dec
Nov 26 19:14:43 <ajturner> shucks
Nov 26 19:14:44 <doc|work> GeneralAntilles: perhaps my skinny self has fat fingers :/
Nov 26 19:14:58 * ajturner was hoping to get it before flight on Dec 10 to china
Nov 26 19:15:11 <doc|work> pupnik: there's no reason a slide switch couldn't do that, is there?
Nov 26 19:16:51 <bill20r3> the press-and-hold avoids accidental turn-ons, I guess.
Nov 26 19:17:15 <Tak> or turn-offs, imo more importantly
Nov 26 19:19:02 <bill20r3> yep.
Nov 26 19:19:56 <czr> alterego, send it where? (your serial cable)
Nov 26 19:20:14 <alterego> czr, you actually have one you can send me?
Nov 26 19:20:28 <czr> what kind of serial cable are we talking here?
Nov 26 19:20:45 <alterego> One that'll hook my N800 up.
Nov 26 19:20:51 <alterego> So I can do cold flashes.
Nov 26 19:20:51 <czr> to what?
Nov 26 19:20:55 <czr> ah. no.
Nov 26 19:21:01 <czr> I don't do bricking cables :-)
Nov 26 19:21:03 <alterego> Oh well.
Nov 26 19:21:06 <alterego> Damn you!
Nov 26 19:21:14 <czr> too late. I'm already involved in maemo
Nov 26 19:21:16 <bill20r3> to the little 9-pin port in back?
Nov 26 19:21:27 <alterego> bill20r3, that's the kitten
Nov 26 19:21:32 <alterego> Well .. Tiger.
Nov 26 19:21:35 <bill20r3> kitten?
Nov 26 19:21:44 <alterego> Gopher?
Nov 26 19:21:58 <bill20r3> *blank look*
Nov 26 19:22:04 <alterego> ;)
Nov 26 19:22:16 <alterego> I was just affirming your question ;)
Nov 26 19:22:33 <bill20r3> do you really have a cable that fits that port?
Nov 26 19:22:42 <alterego> No, I want one :P
Nov 26 19:22:46 <bill20r3> do they exist?
Nov 26 19:22:59 <alterego> I hear they do .. In the darkest depths of castle Nokia
Nov 26 19:23:01 <bill20r3> I've never seen a pogo-pin connector that size.
Nov 26 19:23:09 <alterego> Somewhere in the heart of Finland.
Nov 26 19:23:17 <bill20r3> I guess you'd have to source the pins, and make it yourself.
Nov 26 19:23:26 * bill20r3 eyes digikey catalog.
Nov 26 19:23:34 * czr is betting on sweden
Nov 26 19:23:41 <alterego> Heh
Nov 26 19:23:44 <czr> "no one will ever know to look for them in here"
Nov 26 19:23:52 <czr> basement of ericsson hq
Nov 26 19:24:32 <bill20r3> behind the door with the 'beware of leopard' sign?
Nov 26 19:24:53 <czr> neh, the one with "before, life beyond" -sign
Nov 26 19:24:57 <czr> beware even
Nov 26 19:25:02 * czr has to wake up properly yet.
Nov 26 19:25:19 <czr> "no one will ever dare to open this door"
Nov 26 19:25:28 <keesj> are the pins described in the pdfs?
Nov 26 19:26:14 <bill20r3> http://dkc3.digikey.com/PDF/T073/P0463.pdf
Nov 26 19:26:30 <bill20r3> not that I've seen, but I haven't really looked much.
Nov 26 19:26:46 <czr> _Monkey, mxr?
Nov 26 19:26:47 <_Monkey> it has been said that mxr is mozilla cross reference, maintained by timeless, http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test has a number of references including garage, sardine, and chinook
Nov 26 19:27:12 <bill20r3> I see digikey has individual spring-loaded pins, so you could probably make a suitable connector, with some effort.
Nov 26 19:27:27 <toresbe> hrm
Nov 26 19:27:56 <toresbe> are there any MP4 players for the N800, then?
Nov 26 19:28:53 <keesj> btw downloading itos2008 from nokia as we speak
Nov 26 19:29:02 <GeneralAntilles> Uh, Media player, toresbe?
Nov 26 19:29:28 <_|Nix|_> Wow ... repository.maemo.org is sloooooow ..
Nov 26 19:32:05 * czr dances around his local mirror of repository.
Nov 26 19:32:06 <toresbe> GeneralAntilles: MP supports MP4?
Nov 26 19:32:09 <toresbe> oh, cool. :)
Nov 26 19:32:11 <GeneralAntilles> Yes.
Nov 26 19:32:19 <czr> alterego, read bug #2383
Nov 26 19:32:20 <_Monkey> Bug 2383 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2383
Nov 26 19:32:23 <toresbe> I'm used to it supporting pretty much nothing of use :P
Nov 26 19:32:27 * czr is having some fun :-)
Nov 26 19:34:12 <timelyx> _Monkey forget ah
Nov 26 19:34:13 <_Monkey> timelyx: I forgot ah
Nov 26 19:34:15 <timelyx> _Monkey ah is <reply>
Nov 26 19:34:15 <_Monkey> OK, timelyx.
Nov 26 19:34:24 <czr> timelyx, evenink. feel free to look at the bug as well :-)
Nov 26 19:34:33 <guerby> wow tablets-dev.nokia.com is kinda slow
Nov 26 19:34:41 <Tak> yay, fceu runs on chinook
Nov 26 19:34:45 <guerby> everyone is downloading the new OS2008 for N800?
Nov 26 19:35:10 <konttori> Hey, has mplayer been improved at all (from the extras-devel)?
Nov 26 19:35:25 <_|Nix|_>  /window 2
Nov 26 19:35:28 <_|Nix|_> Oops ...
Nov 26 19:35:37 <matt_c> whee, timed out again
Nov 26 19:36:35 <pupnik> it can hardly be improved
Nov 26 19:37:44 <alterego> Erm ..
Nov 26 19:37:59 <alterego> extras-devel should be at least up-to-date if not newer than the extras version.
Nov 26 19:38:42 <alterego> There's a little devil on my shoulder telling my to take my N800 apart.
Nov 26 19:39:32 <sp3000> czr: that's ...odd, why doesn't it do sources.list.d/maemo-repository like normal people do
Nov 26 19:39:47 <sp3000> er, sources.list.d/maemo-repository.list even, iirc
Nov 26 19:40:09 <konttori> chinook mplayer it just so awfully slow atm (at least my version - and repositories are completely jammed)
Nov 26 19:40:27 <timelyx> GeneralAntilles: i have a list of packages that changed
Nov 26 19:40:30 <timelyx> it's fairly short
Nov 26 19:40:46 <czr> sp3000, hmm. good point. does apt honor those directories on the SDK?
Nov 26 19:40:56 <sp3000> I should hope so :)
Nov 26 19:40:58 <alterego> Yeah, maemo.org isn't very good with 1+ simultaneous connections.
Nov 26 19:41:11 <czr> sp3000, maybe I'll test if I have the time/energy. don't have a working SDK atm.
Nov 26 19:41:29 <czr> alterego, don't be so harsh :-) at least it works with 1+ :-)
Nov 26 19:41:33 <alterego> czr, what happened to all your vmware stoof?
Nov 26 19:41:40 <czr> alterego, what about it?
Nov 26 19:41:51 <czr> ah. I've compressed the vms in order to make more space on the vm-server
Nov 26 19:41:52 <alterego> "don't have a working SDK atm." :P
Nov 26 19:41:58 <alterego> Ah
Nov 26 19:41:59 <czr> building a new one
Nov 26 19:42:16 <alterego> It's a shame the flasher can't do the opposite.
Nov 26 19:42:22 <alterego> I need a vacuum
Nov 26 19:42:26 <sp3000> [sbox-maemo4-arm: ~] > echo dec http://your.mom/ ha ha > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ha.list
Nov 26 19:42:28 <alterego> OR a sucker.
Nov 26 19:42:28 <czr> if anyone has spare >750GiB disks lying around, you know that I could use them :-)
Nov 26 19:42:30 <sp3000> [sbox-maemo4-arm: ~] > apt-get update
Nov 26 19:42:34 <sp3000> Failed to fetch http://your.mom/dists/ha/Release.gpg  Could not resolve 'your.mom'
Nov 26 19:42:47 <czr> sp3000, cool. 4.0?
Nov 26 19:42:48 <alterego> .mom isn't a tld
Nov 26 19:42:57 <czr> alterego, it is for some
Nov 26 19:43:01 <alterego> Heh
Nov 26 19:43:18 <sp3000> czr: something like that
Nov 26 19:43:21 <czr> sp3000, any idea when repo.maemo.org will get Release.gpg? :-)
Nov 26 19:43:39 <czr> sp3000, I'll add that to the bug-report. might as well since it won't be fixed ;-)
Nov 26 19:43:54 <sp3000> also, I copied the wrong line, the right line was s/dec/deb/ :)
Nov 26 19:43:57 <alterego> I wonder if Nokia were anticipating all of this commotion with the updating :/
Nov 26 19:44:18 <alterego> The Maemo community is like a big mob.
Nov 26 19:44:33 <czr> sp3000, what, you mean installing debs is cooler than installing new decimals! say it ain't so!
Nov 26 19:44:44 <czr> alterego, true that :-)
Nov 26 19:44:51 <czr> a pool of pirahnas
Nov 26 19:44:55 <alterego> :)
Nov 26 19:45:21 <alterego> I wonder what makes maemo so different to other communities, like symbian.
Nov 26 19:45:28 <alterego> I guess it's the "open" nature of the project.
Nov 26 19:45:56 <alterego> That and we have _one_ platform, limited device range and they're all Nokia.
Nov 26 19:46:26 <czr> I guess people expect to have more control about things than they do with closed stuff
Nov 26 19:46:39 <czr> and are more likely to complain about things that don't work
Nov 26 19:47:00 <czr> I'd really take it as a positive feedback step. if there wouldn't be any complaints, you'd no that no one cares about your system.
Nov 26 19:47:01 <keesj> they get a place to complain
Nov 26 19:47:08 <alterego> Yeah, I guess also, we're used to buggy OSS software or incomplete feature sets. So we want new OS releases every day :)
Nov 26 19:47:10 <czr> you'd know even.
Nov 26 19:47:38 <guerby> at last the site answered
Nov 26 19:48:00 <alterego> Wow, you must be the chosen one. Try talking to God next guerby
Nov 26 19:48:02 <keesj> we are unhappy with a finished OS ,we want to keep developing
Nov 26 19:48:19 <guerby> 17 kB/s ...
Nov 26 19:48:21 <alterego> Pfft, maemo is far from finished :P
Nov 26 19:48:31 <keesj> that's good!
Nov 26 19:48:53 <keesj> and when it's done , lets redo it using e17!
Nov 26 19:49:09 <czr> sp3000, appended to the bug. nice one. I didn't know apt supported modular conf-files.
Nov 26 19:49:18 <timelyx> czr: it has for a while
Nov 26 19:49:25 * timelyx has used it for a while
Nov 26 19:49:26 * alterego vomits.
Nov 26 19:49:29 <czr> yeah, but I've not seen it used anywhere
Nov 26 19:49:38 <alterego> e17 is so not practical ..
Nov 26 19:49:43 <timelyx> i can't remember why i used it, but i did
Nov 26 19:49:46 <alterego> For any device. Let alone tablets.
Nov 26 19:49:53 <doc|work> me is using e17 on his desktpo
Nov 26 19:49:57 <doc|work> typing--
Nov 26 19:49:58 <czr> there was a boy-band from england called 'east 17' ages ago
Nov 26 19:49:58 <timelyx> oh, i know
Nov 26 19:50:05 <timelyx> it was when i wanted to merge ubuntu+debian+something
Nov 26 19:50:12 <czr> e17 always reminds me of them. they had some really annoying song too.
Nov 26 19:50:17 <alterego> czr, yeah. ;) Full of ponses ;)
Nov 26 19:50:17 <timelyx> i just added extras instead of hacking a singleton
Nov 26 19:50:21 * Tak using e17 as well
Nov 26 19:50:31 <alterego> Argh! You're all posers!
Nov 26 19:50:33 <doc|work> I'm not sure why e17 is far from practical
Nov 26 19:50:35 <alterego> :P
Nov 26 19:50:37 <doc|work> why is it?
Nov 26 19:50:44 <czr> doc|home, it is much shorter word.
Nov 26 19:50:49 <alterego> Too much eye candy not enough function IMO
Nov 26 19:51:02 <doc|work> what functionality is missing?
Nov 26 19:51:07 <keesj> I am sure I am going to spend moost of the time just clicking canola around!
Nov 26 19:51:18 <konttori> but the ecore/evas is pretty cool stuff
Nov 26 19:51:25 <alterego> If I say something I'll end up looking like an idiot because I've not used e17 in over a year :P
Nov 26 19:51:34 <keesj> entrance is also cool
Nov 26 19:51:40 <doc|work> entrance is really nice
Nov 26 19:51:50 <alterego> Regardless. We need a new GTK
Nov 26 19:52:04 <czr> hah. ran into a race in bugzilla for the first time ever
Nov 26 19:52:08 <alterego> We need a Ruby centric graphical toolkit.
Nov 26 19:52:15 <czr> someone added themselves into the cc-list while I was adding a comment!
Nov 26 19:52:35 <czr> weird that bugzilla decided that my comment should either overwrite the prev changes or be discarded completely.
Nov 26 19:52:43 <alterego> :/
Nov 26 19:52:56 <timelyx> czr: comments won't be wiped out
Nov 26 19:53:12 <timelyx> the reason for it is to protect you from
Nov 26 19:53:14 <czr> timelyx, I got the impression from the two choices that I got.
Nov 26 19:53:19 <timelyx> "ccing foopy because foopy needs to know"
Nov 26 19:53:23 <timelyx> but if foopy just cc'd
Nov 26 19:53:30 <timelyx> then well, your comment would look stupid :)
Nov 26 19:53:36 <czr> but foopy didn't add any comments. only cc:ed himself.
Nov 26 19:53:43 <keesj> alterego: new GTK?
Nov 26 19:53:45 <timelyx> czr: yeah, the text isn't very smart
Nov 26 19:53:45 <doc|work> because being called foopy isn't bad enough?
Nov 26 19:54:10 <alterego> keesj, I didn't mean literall "gimp tool kit" I meant "graphical toolkit". Something that is neither GTK or Qt ..
Nov 26 19:54:11 <czr> timelyx, and it's not a problem. just haven't run across this before. copy-pasted my comment to safety and reopened the bug-view and added the text back, no biggie.
Nov 26 19:54:32 <czr> alterego, QTK?
Nov 26 19:54:45 <doc|work> java, with swt, on wince
Nov 26 19:54:50 <alterego> NTK
Nov 26 19:54:52 <alterego> :)
Nov 26 19:54:55 <czr> "combines the complexity of Qt bindings, Tk silliness and GTK callgraph depth into one nice package"
Nov 26 19:54:58 <[pablo]_> anyone here try the new 2008 on the n800?
Nov 26 19:55:16 <keesj> lol
Nov 26 19:55:20 <alterego> [pablo]_, yes. I'm using it right now.
Nov 26 19:55:24 <timelyx> czr: nice
Nov 26 19:55:27 <czr> alterego, you have the beta?
Nov 26 19:55:28 <guerby> [pablo]_, well first step is to download it :)
Nov 26 19:55:33 <keesj> [pablo]_: downloading as we speak.... (13 minutes to go)
Nov 26 19:55:36 <alterego> czr, OS2008 beta?
Nov 26 19:55:38 <czr> timeless, one toolkit to rule them all :-)
Nov 26 19:55:44 <czr> alterego, yeah, the official OS2008 for N800
Nov 26 19:55:53 <czr> not the OS2008 meant for N810.
Nov 26 19:55:55 <alterego> czr, yeah, installed it a little under an hour ago.
Nov 26 19:56:04 <keesj> the next popular toolkit will be vector based and will use 3d hardware
Nov 26 19:56:07 <czr> alterego, right. just checking. it's working?
Nov 26 19:56:12 <alterego> Yeah, works fine.
Nov 26 19:56:15 <czr> keesj, you mean postscript?
Nov 26 19:56:18 <[pablo]_> good to hear it's not bricking devices =)
Nov 26 19:56:23 <doc|work> funky "
Nov 26 19:56:36 <doc|work> bah, stupid X cp-paste
Nov 26 19:56:38 <keesj> yes postscript + javascript ajap
Nov 26 19:56:40 <alterego> czr, slight niggle. When it starts up in R&D mode. The verbose text that displays states RX44
Nov 26 19:56:51 <timelyx> heh
Nov 26 19:56:53 <czr> alterego, open a bug :-)
Nov 26 19:57:00 <timelyx> yeah, seriously
Nov 26 19:57:03 <czr> alterego, it's beta after all. I guess this time they want bugs
Nov 26 19:57:03 <alterego> I was contemplating it.
Nov 26 19:57:06 <doc|work> when you send an email in evolution it now checks for keywords that indicate it should have an attachment and warns you if there isn't one
Nov 26 19:57:07 <czr> do it.
Nov 26 19:57:08 <timelyx> that's why it's a beta :)
Nov 26 19:57:29 <czr> timelyx, did you notice that the release announcement didn't actually ask people to report bugs :-)
Nov 26 19:57:29 <alterego> I'll just check to be sure first ;)
Nov 26 19:57:46 <czr> "if we won't ask them to do it, maybe they'll leave us alone?"
Nov 26 19:57:57 <timelyx> czr: heh
Nov 26 19:57:58 <alterego> czr, I think in the small print they said. (Don't talk to us anymore, we're all losing hair)
Nov 26 19:57:59 <K`zan> czr: Got ubuntu installed finally, apparently, amoungst other things, there is a problem with adept, stuff that failed in that went fine in aptitude cli :-).  Also snapshotted it immediately after getting everything "right" :-).  Should be able to get on with the sdk now!
Nov 26 19:58:19 <timelyx> i didn't really get around to reading the announcement
Nov 26 19:58:23 <czr> K`zan, cool. good luck :-). I only use apt-get/dpkg on the command line anyway :-)
Nov 26 19:58:34 <alterego> czr, I was mistaken. (osso-RX-44)
Nov 26 19:58:42 <czr> alterego, that's even better :-)
Nov 26 19:58:50 <alterego> It's the initfs release version
Nov 26 19:58:55 <alterego> I think the 44 is the week.
Nov 26 19:58:59 <czr> but I guess that's not critical tough. since it's r&r mode after all
Nov 26 19:59:00 <alterego> That's why I got confused.
Nov 26 19:59:06 <timelyx> r&r?
Nov 26 19:59:18 <czr> heh. not the first time timelyx :-)
Nov 26 19:59:22 <czr> rest & recreation -mode!
Nov 26 19:59:30 <K`zan> New 2008 *for* the n800?  Hummm :-).
Nov 26 19:59:32 <alterego> b&r brick and research
Nov 26 19:59:37 <timelyx> i'm pretty sure that 44 is week number, i'd assume it's the hardware model
Nov 26 19:59:42 <alterego> K`zan, yeah. Good luck downloading it ;)
Nov 26 19:59:45 <czr> K`zan, beta yes.
Nov 26 19:59:58 <[pablo]_> is it getting slammed?
Nov 26 20:00:01 <alterego> czr, it doesn't say beta anywhere on the box :P
Nov 26 20:00:01 <czr> RX-44 is the product code for N810
Nov 26 20:00:08 <K`zan> alterego: Will keep an eye on it, 2007 is doing fine ATM :-).
Nov 26 20:00:13 <czr> alterego, osso- :-)
Nov 26 20:00:20 <doc|work> is os2008 out for the n800?
Nov 26 20:00:20 <czr> osso means beta.
Nov 26 20:00:25 <alterego> czr, well. I don't know what it's supposed to mean.
Nov 26 20:00:28 <czr> like libosso. you know.
Nov 26 20:00:35 <keesj> K`zan: booooooooooo
Nov 26 20:00:37 <czr> and all those foobar-2.1_1osso4 packages and such
Nov 26 20:00:53 <alterego> The line was: "initfs version: osso-RX-44 OS2008SE-44"
Nov 26 20:01:01 <alterego> Or something like that.
Nov 26 20:01:02 <K`zan> SE?
Nov 26 20:01:07 <czr> it comes from finnish. "en ossoo" (I don't know how, using some weird dialect)
Nov 26 20:01:15 <keesj> "software edition" ?
Nov 26 20:01:26 <l7> damn, i love the stowaway keyboard!
Nov 26 20:01:28 <K`zan> Substandard Edition?
Nov 26 20:01:33 <alterego> Hah
Nov 26 20:01:39 <K`zan> :-)
Nov 26 20:01:43 <keesj> Singles Edition
Nov 26 20:01:45 <K`zan> vs XP ;-)
Nov 26 20:01:58 <K`zan> eXcellent Edition :-) LOL.
Nov 26 20:02:06 <K`zan> No relation to wincrap :-) :-) :-)
Nov 26 20:02:10 <alterego> eXploit Edition ..
Nov 26 20:02:45 <czr> hah. the vmware image torrent should be much better now!
Nov 26 20:02:58 <K`zan> Gizmo is abending on 2007, not sure what that is about yet.  Did a full shutdown and restart (reboot?) last night so we'll see...
Nov 26 20:03:00 <czr> a friend is running a semipermanent client on a fast network now
Nov 26 20:03:09 <czr> so if anyone wants it, you can actually get it now.
Nov 26 20:03:34 <czr> what is gizmo anyway?
Nov 26 20:03:35 <_Monkey> i heard gizmo was sip compliant
Nov 26 20:03:36 <K`zan> Big draw with 2008 with SIP built in...
Nov 26 20:03:41 <czr> ah.
Nov 26 20:03:45 <K`zan> SIP client - propritary :-(
Nov 26 20:04:00 <czr> I've seen the icon, but it reminds me of KDE with the "wheel"
Nov 26 20:04:11 <K`zan> Only SIP client for 2007 that I know of.
Nov 26 20:04:41 <K`zan> Not sure skype qualifies - same problem - proprietary...
Nov 26 20:04:47 <sp3000> oh, someone released something
Nov 26 20:04:52 <sp3000> interesting :)
Nov 26 20:05:04 <czr> sp3000, "oops"? :-)
Nov 26 20:05:08 <K`zan> When gizmo works, it works pretty well...
Nov 26 20:05:21 <sp3000> yeah I didn't get that far in the news this morning, or whenever
Nov 26 20:05:40 <keesj> I would settle for skype + video (skype video is beta under linux atm)
Nov 26 20:05:50 <czr> it would be nice to have a bot that'd announce important news on the channel automatically
Nov 26 20:06:03 <keesj> booth gizmo and skype have the problem that they don't get started as applet
Nov 26 20:06:41 <doc|work> rtcomm supports sip, integrates nicely too
Nov 26 20:06:50 <doc|work> although I've yet to use it
Nov 26 20:06:58 <sp3000> czr: bugs feed, planet feed, yes
Nov 26 20:07:02 <doc|work> it sits there all logged in and stuff :)
Nov 26 20:07:17 <czr> sp3000, yup. just not the short one-liners that used to end up on the front-page of maemo.org
Nov 26 20:08:02 <sp3000> I don't have an ircable 24h host to run things on
Nov 26 20:08:23 <czr> I do, but want to run anything :-)
Nov 26 20:08:33 <czr> +don't.
Nov 26 20:08:50 <doc|work> would RX-34_2008SE_1.2007.44-4_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin be the correct name of the new image for os2008?
Nov 26 20:08:55 <K`zan> tried to install rtcomm last night on the n800 and it didn't work, uninstalling it left the installer in the menu too :-(.
Nov 26 20:09:07 <doc|work> K`zan: weird, works for me
Nov 26 20:09:17 <doc|work> (the install)
Nov 26 20:09:24 <GeneralAntilles> K`zan, under OS2008?
Nov 26 20:09:30 <alterego> doc|home, looks believable.
Nov 26 20:09:31 <K`zan> Damnifiknow, the installer ran and appeared to install the installer, but I never found it anywhere...
Nov 26 20:09:33 <K`zan> 2007
Nov 26 20:09:42 <GeneralAntilles> Just put OS2008 on there already. :P
Nov 26 20:09:52 <K`zan> rtcomm itself that is.
Nov 26 20:10:00 <K`zan> I know, but then I loose the rest of my apps.
Nov 26 20:10:15 <GeneralAntilles> Which would you be missing?
Nov 26 20:10:18 <K`zan> Stuff didn't work right a lot under 2008 for the 810, perhaps better on the one for the n800
Nov 26 20:10:21 <GeneralAntilles> xchat is the only one I feel the loss of.
Nov 26 20:10:23 <doc|work> if anyone's looking for a mirror, internettablettalk.com has a link to one (which I won't post here as I don't know how right that would be)
Nov 26 20:10:43 <K`zan> rtcomm itself, but maybe it integrates into contacts - will have to try it again.
Nov 26 20:11:15 <konttori> xchat is for n810
Nov 26 20:11:24 <GeneralAntilles> Is there a release for OS2008?
Nov 26 20:11:33 <doc|work> GeneralAntilles: yep
Nov 26 20:11:34 <konttori> http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/
Nov 26 20:11:36 <K`zan> Only thing I found was the installer.  Even after uninstalling it, it is still in the menu :-(.
Nov 26 20:11:49 <doc|work> er, actually, ignore my comment
Nov 26 20:11:57 <K`zan> :-)
Nov 26 20:12:01 <czr> doc|home, can you post a link to the page that has the link? :-)
Nov 26 20:12:05 * doc|work goes back to lurking
Nov 26 20:12:21 <timelyx> GeneralAntilles: so um, do you care for a delta?
Nov 26 20:12:32 <GeneralAntilles> delta?
Nov 26 20:12:45 <K`zan> It also seems to have loaded a duplicate repository in application manager - seems the right one was already there.
Nov 26 20:12:48 <timelyx> package list changes between 42-18  and 44-4
Nov 26 20:12:50 <doc|work> it's the one called  "Nokia Releses OS2008 Beta for the Nokia N800 Internet Tablet" :)
Nov 26 20:13:03 <GeneralAntilles> Oh, sure, if it's not any trouble, timelyx. :)
Nov 26 20:13:16 <keesj> os2008 is sexy... !!!
Nov 26 20:13:21 <K`zan> I assume settings saved under 2007 are of no use in 2008?
Nov 26 20:13:28 <konttori> they work just fine
Nov 26 20:13:36 <konttori> I suggest restoring backup from 2007
Nov 26 20:13:57 <konttori> you can even restore from 2006 safely, but there are some problems restoring 2005 backups
Nov 26 20:14:01 <K`zan> That sure would save some time setting everything up again!
Nov 26 20:14:20 <doc|work> I think I'll wait a month or so, until more apps are ported
Nov 26 20:14:33 <doc|work> although I like the idea of a speed bump :/
Nov 26 20:14:39 <konttori> 2008 even has the first time experience of asking you on first boot whether you want to restore if it sees old backups on your SD
Nov 26 20:14:47 <K`zan> doc|work: Sounds reasonable to me, big jump in 2008 apps lately!
Nov 26 20:14:55 <doc|work> cool
Nov 26 20:15:34 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, I haven't felt any issues with Application Lack. :)
Nov 26 20:15:37 <K`zan> 21 to 26 IIRC in just a couple days :-)!  Yow, make that 32 - just checked :)!
Nov 26 20:16:05 <K`zan> GeneralAntilles: Probably true, most of what I have loaded I *really* don't *need* :-).
Nov 26 20:16:11 <doc|work> dam you all!
Nov 26 20:16:16 <doc|work> *damn
Nov 26 20:16:18 <konttori> ahh... repository.maemo.org is responsive again
Nov 26 20:16:19 <K`zan> Thank you :).
Nov 26 20:16:30 <konttori> and now I can tell from http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/chinook/free/m/
Nov 26 20:16:32 <K`zan> konttori: That seems to be REAL common here.
Nov 26 20:16:44 <konttori> that mplayer hasn't been updated since 21.11. shame
Nov 26 20:16:53 <konttori> that version just blows in performance.
Nov 26 20:16:57 <K`zan> Sometimes is it quick, mostly late at night here.
Nov 26 20:17:20 <K`zan> Otherwise, you just leave it crank on in a spare tab.
Nov 26 20:17:30 <konttori> yeah. so odd
Nov 26 20:17:31 <K`zan> Eventually it will respond.
Nov 26 20:17:48 <K`zan> Assume it is some net.vagarity here on the west coast USA.
Nov 26 20:17:53 <K`zan> I assume...
Nov 26 20:18:21 <Veggen> oh, official os2008 for n800? maybe I should upgrade, too.
Nov 26 20:18:37 * K`zan his having a hard time resisting :).
Nov 26 20:18:47 <GeneralAntilles> Do it.
Nov 26 20:18:49 <Veggen> yah, beta. I can read too :)
Nov 26 20:18:50 <GeneralAntilles> There's no reason not to.
Nov 26 20:18:59 <K`zan> *beta*
Nov 26 20:19:07 <K`zan> But...
Nov 26 20:19:07 <_Monkey> hmmm... but is the charging status same as being connected to the cord?
Nov 26 20:19:08 <GeneralAntilles> That's not a reason!
Nov 26 20:19:13 <alterego> Only Quim says it's a beta.
Nov 26 20:19:21 <alterego> I think he's trying to trick us all :P
Nov 26 20:19:23 <K`zan> Without people trying it, it ain't gonna get out of beta :).
Nov 26 20:19:37 <alterego> That's not why it's beta.
Nov 26 20:19:39 <K`zan> So....
Nov 26 20:19:40 * pupnik will bring cookies to maemo team and beers and pizza and clean the kitchen
Nov 26 20:19:47 <alterego> I'd imagine it's because skype isn't finished yet.
Nov 26 20:20:04 <guerby> download still at 23% of OS2008...
Nov 26 20:20:07 <alterego> And the issue with navicore. Not to mention they want N800 OS2008 to be released after N810 gets properly launched I'd imagine.
Nov 26 20:20:07 <K`zan> pupnik is a good guy(TM) :-)
Nov 26 20:20:11 <doc|work> so, contentious question perhaps, why is there no usb charging? :/
Nov 26 20:20:14 <Veggen> I don't use skype.
Nov 26 20:20:38 <K`zan> I might use skype for the 3 month freebie that came in the box :).
Nov 26 20:20:39 <pupnik> don't know doc|work
Nov 26 20:20:41 <alterego> Veggen, doesn't matter. It's part of the IT OS release and it's not ready yet.
Nov 26 20:20:44 <Veggen> I actually hate skype. I hate that it's about to be a synonym for "home voip" :)
Nov 26 20:20:56 <doc|work> Veggen: SIP ftw
Nov 26 20:21:10 <doc|work> I've gotten my mother to use ekiga on windows :)
Nov 26 20:21:26 <Veggen> yah, but too many ip telephones are really skype handsets, and people does not know better.
Nov 26 20:21:48 <alterego> Make something free and they'll notice it ..
Nov 26 20:22:05 <GeneralAntilles> Anybody with a Thinkoutside/iGo keyboard want to tell me how to power it off so I can use the onscreen board again? :(
Nov 26 20:22:06 <K`zan> Yes, SIP/VOIP is a damn confusing area...
Nov 26 20:22:46 <alterego> GeneralAntilles, throw it out of the window.
Nov 26 20:22:58 <alterego> Oh my god .. I just quoted czr ..
Nov 26 20:23:09 <K`zan> Got Twinkle going on my roomies machine, but getting audio sorted out for it seems to be a can of worms :-(.
Nov 26 20:23:21 * czr is proud of alterego
Nov 26 20:23:23 <K`zan> Worse things you could quote :-).
Nov 26 20:23:29 <czr> solution to all problems alterego :-)
Nov 26 20:23:35 <alterego> Hah
Nov 26 20:23:36 <guerby> GeneralAntilles, I don't remember if I opened a bugzilla to have the option of switching quickly from virtual to real kbd
Nov 26 20:23:47 <guerby> GeneralAntilles, but I share your issue
Nov 26 20:24:03 <_|Nix|_> Pop quiz: Anyone know of any bad press regarding HP pavilions? My sis wants to buy one.
Nov 26 20:24:21 * K`zan stays away from HP anymore and builds her own...
Nov 26 20:24:37 <timelyx> _|Nix|_: they're ok, but as w/ most, the customizations suck
Nov 26 20:24:38 <_|Nix|_> K`zan: You build your own laptops?
Nov 26 20:24:43 <timelyx> (hardware buttons)
Nov 26 20:25:17 <K`zan> Err, no desktops, with ANY laptop it is a crapshoot.  But I *DO* avoid Gateway now...
Nov 26 20:25:33 <doc|work> building your own would still be way more hassle than I'd be prepared to put up with. THe only advantage is no windows, which is why I bought a n800 over a cheap laptop
Nov 26 20:26:27 <K`zan> n800 with a good BT (usb?) keyboard == good enough laptop...
Nov 26 20:26:45 <maddler> evening all...
Nov 26 20:26:45 <konttori> this is just so hilarious: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7108835.stm
Nov 26 20:26:53 <konttori> m/s explorer crashed ;)
Nov 26 20:26:53 <doc|work> aye, but can anyone suggest a decent, reasonably priced, bt keyboard?
Nov 26 20:27:10 <K`zan> Now that I am looking for a USB keyboard at the thrift store to try out on the n800, there are none to be found LOL!
Nov 26 20:27:12 <doc|work> konttori: hahahaha
Nov 26 20:27:30 <maddler> quick question... I was trying to get root on N800.OS2008... "rootme" password is not working anymore... any clue? :O
Nov 26 20:27:36 <K`zan> "Reasonably Priced" seems to be the issue....
Nov 26 20:27:44 <maddler> or am I totally dumb?
Nov 26 20:27:47 <alterego> Who was it doing the PowerVR backward engineering?
Nov 26 20:27:51 <K`zan> maddler: sudo gainroot IIRC
Nov 26 20:28:22 <konttori> alterego: how so? was someone doing it?
Nov 26 20:28:23 <maddler> K`zan: yep... also... but using SSH you were able to get root w/o having R&D mode enabled...
Nov 26 20:28:41 <K`zan> Yeah, it is a bit confusing...
Nov 26 20:28:46 <alterego> konttori, yeah. They were poking around with some drivers trying to see how they worked.
Nov 26 20:29:05 <konttori> really? sounds great! Did they make any progress?
Nov 26 20:29:06 <derf> konttori: Haha, "has been listing for hours"... I often get that same problem
Nov 26 20:29:11 <doc|work> hehe
Nov 26 20:29:18 <maddler> K`zan: and also... "rootme" was working on N810 fiasco image...
Nov 26 20:29:39 <K`zan> maddler: I had a fair number of problems with 2008 for the n810, so I went back to 2007 :-/.
Nov 26 20:29:41 <alterego> konttori, a bit. I was more interested in what they were planning on doing next. Hence why I'm asking now :)
Nov 26 20:29:51 * K`zan has an n800...
Nov 26 20:30:12 <konttori> who are the reverse engineering people?
Nov 26 20:30:21 <maddler> K`zan: same here (beside I hadn't too many issues)...
Nov 26 20:30:40 <K`zan> maddler: Still, overall I LOVE the thing :).
Nov 26 20:30:58 <K`zan> Everyone that sees it is really facinated :-) :-) :-).
Nov 26 20:31:18 <alterego> konttori, that's why I was asking :P
Nov 26 20:32:06 <konttori> ahh... ok. I really don't know, although I can easily understand the idea to do it. I would love to have 3d acceleration working on the device
Nov 26 20:32:30 <doc|work> my housemate bought an ipod touch
Nov 26 20:32:33 <K`zan> And impressed with the display...  VERY impressed.
Nov 26 20:32:45 <doc|work> then bitched for the night as he couldn't copy his drm'd wma files onto it :D
Nov 26 20:32:49 <alterego> konttori, I think everyone would ;)
Nov 26 20:32:56 <doc|work> defaults++
Nov 26 20:33:07 <K`zan> Lots of that going on, I can't even copy *my own* stuff on my phone.
Nov 26 20:33:16 <K`zan>  <spit>
Nov 26 20:33:20 <alterego> doc|home, you can un-DRM WMA but it loses quality ..
Nov 26 20:33:23 <doc|work> open formats ftw
Nov 26 20:33:31 <konttori> http://www.symbian-freak.com/news/006/12/quake3_n93.htm
Nov 26 20:33:38 <alterego> You should have pointed, laughed and said: "That's what you get for using DRM idiot!"
Nov 26 20:33:41 <konttori> powervr on n93 -> quake 3
Nov 26 20:33:47 <K`zan> And people wonder why I quit supporting the "entertainment" mafias....
Nov 26 20:33:58 <doc|work> alterego: yeah, he did something about changing the file ending to m4a or something and then copying it over. Maybe apple licensed the drm or something
Nov 26 20:34:07 <K`zan> GOOD indies are out there but hard to find.
Nov 26 20:34:18 <doc|work> indies?
Nov 26 20:34:22 <doc|work> ah, yes
Nov 26 20:34:28 <K`zan> Independant musicians....
Nov 26 20:34:36 <K`zan> Not associated with the mafias....
Nov 26 20:34:41 <K`zan> Cheaper, better, open...
Nov 26 20:34:48 <doc|work> well, fwiw I'm currently working on a site which will be all the things that people want in a music sales site
Nov 26 20:34:53 <konttori> ahh.. it's not on the n93 but on dell. damn. sorry for the false link
Nov 26 20:35:02 <K`zan> Heh
Nov 26 20:35:05 <doc|work> going into beta soon to allow artists to upload their stuff
Nov 26 20:35:29 <K`zan> Good on ya doc|work just watch out for the *IAA thugs...
Nov 26 20:35:41 <sp3000> hrm
Nov 26 20:35:41 <alterego> konttori, I've seen QIII run on symbian phones ;)
Nov 26 20:35:46 <alterego> it's on the imgtec site.
Nov 26 20:35:47 <sp3000> I have a problem
Nov 26 20:35:52 <sp3000> you can't eat sql
Nov 26 20:35:56 <doc|work> they'll have nothing on us, there'll be no reason for them to touch us. It will be indie bands, at least at the start.
Nov 26 20:36:17 <konttori> ahh... cool
Nov 26 20:36:26 <K`zan> doc|work: they don't need a reason beyond "Wanna(TM)", they got FAR more lawyers than you can afford - win or loose.
Nov 26 20:36:59 <doc|work> K`zan: oh, and it helps than we're not in the US :)
Nov 26 20:37:08 <K`zan> doc|work: That would help :)
Nov 26 20:37:46 <K`zan> I worked in that field when I was a lot younger and I have no compulsion in calling it a mafia, because it IS.
Nov 26 20:38:06 <doc|work> yup
Nov 26 20:38:22 <K`zan> And I am being kind....
Nov 26 20:38:32 <K`zan> WAY kind.
Nov 26 20:38:43 <doc|work> one of my own personal joys in this will be if record companies lose artist contracts
Nov 26 20:39:06 <doc|work> we're making it all about the artist, labels will be catered for but there'll really not be much point to them
Nov 26 20:39:09 <K`zan> Yep, get rid of those thugs and perhaps we'll get music worth listening to again.
Nov 26 20:39:19 <pupnik> like Beatallica
Nov 26 20:39:25 * doc|work spits
Nov 26 20:39:27 <pupnik> The Thing That Should Not (let it) Be
Nov 26 20:39:28 * K`zan is an old fart...
Nov 26 20:39:37 * doc|work hates metallica :)
Nov 26 20:39:45 * alterego starts working on a geeky IT community site.
Nov 26 20:39:51 <K`zan> Noise != music.
Nov 26 20:39:52 <pupnik> Yeah but this is beatles music mixed with metallica
Nov 26 20:40:06 <K`zan> Living in the home of grunge, I feel qualifed to comment :).
Nov 26 20:40:07 <derf> That can't be legal.
Nov 26 20:40:08 <pupnik> it's horrible!
Nov 26 20:40:09 <alterego> K`zan, I guess me and my mom disagree with you :P
Nov 26 20:40:30 <K`zan> alterego: That is what it is all about and why there is so much "music" :-)
Nov 26 20:40:44 <pupnik> I love it
Nov 26 20:40:52 <konttori> this is what you can get with the powerv VR that is on n800: http://justamp.blogspot.com/2007/11/nokia-n82-running-futuremarks-spmark.html
Nov 26 20:40:52 <K`zan> To each their own, I just wish people would quit supporting the mafias...
Nov 26 20:40:53 <doc|work> hey, different people, different tastes. Choice++
Nov 26 20:40:56 <maddler> doh... netstat is kinda buggy...
Nov 26 20:41:13 <alterego> konttori, you hope. The tablet screens are a _lot_ bigger.
Nov 26 20:41:39 <konttori> no problem. I would assume the fillrate is not the problem
Nov 26 20:41:49 <konttori> n800 could also be in 2x pixel mode.
Nov 26 20:41:57 <konttori> it would be just fine for games
Nov 26 20:43:15 <guerby> 5 kb/s download...
Nov 26 20:43:31 <maddler> I gave a try to spmark on my E90... and if it will be possibile to achieve same results on N8*0... well... sounds kinda good...
Nov 26 20:43:35 <VRe__> I have some issues with the os2008 and the menu.. I install a bit of software and I end up scrolling around the menu.. that is not userfriendly
Nov 26 20:43:51 <doc|work> VRe__: using the stylus?
Nov 26 20:44:05 <VRe__> thumb or stylus.. the menu is the same
Nov 26 20:44:05 <maddler> VRe__: indeed.. I prefer small icons/fonts
Nov 26 20:44:19 <doc|work> VRe__: the rows are equally big?
Nov 26 20:44:41 <VRe__> doc|work: there is room for 6 rows
Nov 26 20:44:57 <VRe__> if there is 7 then you need to scroll with these big fat buttons
Nov 26 20:45:12 <doc|work> sounds like a bug, but I'm a relative noob here
Nov 26 20:45:31 <VRe__> So if I add new Games submenu, I end up scrolling at the main level
Nov 26 20:45:40 <VRe__> It is not a but, it is a design failure
Nov 26 20:45:42 <VRe__> bug
Nov 26 20:46:02 <GeneralAntilles> 7 items would make me happy.
Nov 26 20:46:09 * konttori installed spmark on n81 and is running it
Nov 26 20:46:18 <konttori> (the one on the video)
Nov 26 20:46:19 <doc|work> oh wait, 7 items at the top and then the folders underneath?
Nov 26 20:46:22 <GeneralAntilles> Or, perhaps, subfolders (again).
Nov 26 20:46:37 <VRe__> works ok, if there is no more software that the default set, but I had 3 times as much on os2007.. that a way too much scrolling around
Nov 26 20:47:11 <doc|work> VRe__: when you use the stylus, are you getting the normal fat finger  menu?
Nov 26 20:47:25 <VRe__> os2008 there is only one menu
Nov 26 20:47:34 * konttori hopes the spmark is not using pwervr. as the rendering looks like it's done on software
Nov 26 20:47:37 <VRe__> "fat finger" menu
Nov 26 20:47:41 <doc|work> :)
Nov 26 20:47:55 <doc|work> that seems odd, is that really meant to be like that?
Nov 26 20:48:20 <konttori> 85 680 triangles / second. That's lousy.
Nov 26 20:48:49 <VRe__> Probably there is some tick to turn to get it slimmer .. lets go command o line..
Nov 26 20:50:06 <konttori> You should be able to change that in gtkrc
Nov 26 20:55:47 <geoffeg> dang, Kingston won't ship out my replacement 8GB SD card immediately, out of stock
Nov 26 20:56:07 * konttori is trying out the e3 nokia demo (the kick ass demo)
Nov 26 20:56:09 <doc|work> then they're entitled to ship the closest equivalent :)
Nov 26 20:56:49 <geoffeg> doc|work: i bought their highest capacity, fastest card..
Nov 26 20:56:55 <konttori> aww... it won't run on n81. damn
Nov 26 20:57:06 <doc|work> geoffeg: that sucks :/
Nov 26 20:57:27 <geoffeg> doc|work: i'm quite aware.. i sorta wanna wait until i get the card back to go with OS2008
Nov 26 20:57:55 <geoffeg> so is anyone working on porting xchat?
Nov 26 20:58:03 <geoffeg> s/porting/recompiling/
Nov 26 20:58:03 <infobot> geoffeg meant: so is anyone working on recompiling xchat?
Nov 26 20:58:21 <K`zan> Blazing download for 2008se, 4k/s :-).
Nov 26 20:58:23 <geoffeg> in other words: i wonder if i should tyr it.
Nov 26 20:58:35 <GeneralAntilles> http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/
Nov 26 20:58:59 <geoffeg> question answered :)
Nov 26 20:59:25 <geoffeg> is there some app that people have been clamoring for that has been abandoned by the developer?
Nov 26 20:59:36 <K`zan> jpilot :)
Nov 26 20:59:43 <doc|work> geoffeg: any mpd client :)
Nov 26 20:59:52 <geoffeg> mpd?
Nov 26 21:00:00 <doc|work> music player daemon
Nov 26 21:00:05 <GeneralAntilles> mmpc
Nov 26 21:00:05 <geoffeg> ah
Nov 26 21:00:08 <GeneralAntilles> doc|work
Nov 26 21:00:19 <doc|work> GeneralAntilles: according to the site there's no installer for it
Nov 26 21:00:21 <GeneralAntilles> Newly refreshed and overhauled for OS2008
Nov 26 21:01:07 <geoffeg> does OS2008's RSS reader have an option to "mark all feeds as read"?
Nov 26 21:01:07 <konttori> heh. n81 vs n95.: http://www.symbian-freak.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14567&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30
Nov 26 21:02:25 <K`zan> geoffeg: I can't imagine that being optional, but dunno.
Nov 26 21:02:41 <geoffeg> k`zan: AFAIK it doesn't exist in 2007
Nov 26 21:02:42 <GeneralAntilles> Well, doc|work, I just installed it.
Nov 26 21:03:31 <K`zan> geoffeg: That could end up being a lot of work without it with any quantity of feeds, ewwww.\
Nov 26 21:04:30 <geoffeg> i'm checking again in 2007
Nov 26 21:04:43 <doc|work> GeneralAntilles: hmmm, ok, I just looked at http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/multimedia/ and saw missing install file
Nov 26 21:04:57 <K`zan> haven't gotten around to setting that up here, thrashing between 2007 and 2008...
Nov 26 21:04:59 <GeneralAntilles> It's in Extras, I think.
Nov 26 21:05:10 <GeneralAntilles> Just install 2008, already. <_<
Nov 26 21:05:15 <K`zan> LOL
Nov 26 21:05:22 <K`zan> Downloading it now...
Nov 26 21:05:40 <doc|work> hehe
Nov 26 21:05:46 <doc|work> maybe tonight
Nov 26 21:05:48 <K`zan> at 110 baud acoustical speeds :-)
Nov 26 21:06:06 <K`zan> Might as well go get some chow.
Nov 26 21:06:09 <doc|work> yeah, just like maemo.org :/
Nov 26 21:06:33 <K`zan> If these things really get popular, those sites are going to get to be a problem.
Nov 26 21:06:41 <K`zan> For us geeks, we can wait :-).
Nov 26 21:07:14 * sp3000 heads home
Nov 26 21:07:51 <timelyx> _Monkey forget but
Nov 26 21:07:52 <_Monkey> timelyx: I forgot but
Nov 26 21:07:55 <timelyx> _Monkey but is <reply>
Nov 26 21:07:56 <_Monkey> OK, timelyx.
Nov 26 21:08:25 <konttori> Nokia should start torrenting ;)
Nov 26 21:08:36 * konttori was only partially kidding
Nov 26 21:08:38 <K`zan> ewwww, that is generally even slower...
Nov 26 21:08:43 <bill20r3> they should.
Nov 26 21:08:54 <K`zan> Or has been whenever I tried it.
Nov 26 21:08:56 <konttori> Since when?
Nov 26 21:09:13 <konttori> torrents share the load. the method is genius.
Nov 26 21:09:15 <K`zan> Was faster to find a site with it and do it direct.
Nov 26 21:09:32 <K`zan> So it would appear, just not in my experience :-(.
Nov 26 21:09:32 <doc|work> not when the damn site won't load :/
Nov 26 21:09:36 <konttori> torrents are the best for the peak load times
Nov 26 21:10:36 <GeneralAntilles> As long as they still throw their own servers in with the upload.
Nov 26 21:10:42 <Veggen> uhuh. slow, definitely...
Nov 26 21:10:57 <GeneralAntilles> Too often they nearly completely offload it to the users.
Nov 26 21:11:23 <chx> As I read more and more on the N810 on internet tablet talk, the more it seems i would be better off with a N8x0 sized keyboard and the N800... is there such a keyboard? not foldable, if possible...
Nov 26 21:11:30 <guerby> 2.8 kB/s ...
Nov 26 21:11:41 <guerby> 8 hours remaining
Nov 26 21:11:54 <K`zan> chx: There is one I saw that folds up, about $150 IIRC.
Nov 26 21:12:00 <GeneralAntilles> Not foldable?
Nov 26 21:12:03 <GeneralAntilles> and N800 sized?
Nov 26 21:12:06 * K`zan saves pennies...
Nov 26 21:12:14 <chx> GeneralAntilles: Am I dreaming?
Nov 26 21:12:15 <K`zan> Nothing is n800 sized :-).
Nov 26 21:12:25 <GeneralAntilles> There's that frog keyboard
Nov 26 21:12:31 <K`zan> My old palm keyboard would be ideal, unf not BT :-(.
Nov 26 21:12:44 <GeneralAntilles> The iGo foldable bluetooth keyboard is great.
Nov 26 21:12:50 <doc|work> how much?
Nov 26 21:12:55 <K`zan> Should look into what it takes to convert it to BT...
Nov 26 21:13:18 <chx> Motorola TXTR D7?
Nov 26 21:13:18 <GeneralAntilles> http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/
Nov 26 21:13:50 <timelyx> guerby: you can reenable pen input devices
Nov 26 21:13:55 <geoffeg> chx: are you requiring a conventional qwerty keyboard? the frogpad is small but might take some time to get used to
Nov 26 21:13:59 <konttori> how about the apple keyboard?
Nov 26 21:14:05 <timelyx> that lets you have the vkb as long as the hkb is disabled
Nov 26 21:14:08 <konttori> It's pretty small and it's just stunning to use
Nov 26 21:14:23 <doc|work> but then you're giving money to apple
Nov 26 21:14:26 <doc|work> :)
Nov 26 21:14:28 <geoffeg> i have the bluetooth laser keyboard, pretty cool, hard as hell to type on
Nov 26 21:14:32 <chx> geoffeg: yes, a conventional qwerty would be good, i can't even get used to those fancy natural keyboards.
Nov 26 21:14:34 <konttori> http://www.apple.com/keyboard/
Nov 26 21:14:38 <konttori> the wireless one
Nov 26 21:14:43 <Veggen> ok, this is ridiculously slow. I'm tempted to ask to get it from someone here..?
Nov 26 21:14:51 <chx> konttori: I suspect it's much much bigger...?
Nov 26 21:15:22 <chx> I am dreaming of a pocketable SSH device, here.
Nov 26 21:15:25 <Veggen> (even though I know it's pirating, technically speaking. *grmf*)
Nov 26 21:15:35 <doc|work> Veggen: internettablettalk.com
Nov 26 21:15:45 <GeneralAntilles> chx: just use the fullscreen thumbboard, chx.
Nov 26 21:15:50 <GeneralAntilles> It works great.
Nov 26 21:16:10 <chx> really...?
Nov 26 21:16:14 <GeneralAntilles> Yes.
Nov 26 21:16:15 <doc|work> it does, only the return key and backspace need to be swapped :)
Nov 26 21:16:22 <doc|work> :/ every time :/
Nov 26 21:16:23 <chx> what about tactile feedback ...?
Nov 26 21:16:34 <chx> smearing from my fingers?
Nov 26 21:16:35 <GeneralAntilles> Maybe 2009. :)
Nov 26 21:16:38 <doc|work> heh
Nov 26 21:16:40 <GeneralAntilles> Smearing isn't a problem.
Nov 26 21:16:47 <GeneralAntilles> Unless you have really nasty hands
Nov 26 21:16:51 <GeneralAntilles> in which case, wash more. :)
Nov 26 21:16:52 <geoffeg> i wonder how hard it is to write a replacement onscreen keyboard.. one that acts a little like the iphonekeyboard
Nov 26 21:17:06 <doc|work> I think it's been done
Nov 26 21:17:10 <GeneralAntilles> I hear it'll be easier with OS2008
Nov 26 21:17:17 <doc|work> or maybe I'm thinking of openmoko
Nov 26 21:17:21 <geoffeg> i thought that had been done for canola only or something
Nov 26 21:17:37 <GeneralAntilles> There was a Python demo
Nov 26 21:17:46 <GeneralAntilles> But it only works in the demo app.
Nov 26 21:17:47 <chx> this Freedom Slim Keypad would pwn but it's vaporware it seems.
Nov 26 21:17:52 <andrunko> http://andrunko.blogspot.com/2007/11/iphone-like-keyboard-on-canola.html
Nov 26 21:17:58 <andrunko> check this out
Nov 26 21:18:04 <konttori> http://blog.gustavobarbieri.com.br/2007/07/24/iphone-like-virtual-keyboard-for-n800/
Nov 26 21:18:08 <andrunko> it works for all etk/e applications
Nov 26 21:18:10 <Veggen> internettablettalk.com is just as slow :)
Nov 26 21:18:29 <andrunko> http://andrunko.blogspot.com/2007/11/maemo-keyboard-on-ecore-applications.html
Nov 26 21:18:52 <derf> geoffeg: maemocjk uses its own keyboard.
Nov 26 21:19:05 <chx> what's with the  Targus Bluetooth Mobile ThumbPad ?
Nov 26 21:19:21 <derf> And should work with any gtk application.
Nov 26 21:19:46 * alterego is now in dire need of a new screen protector ..
Nov 26 21:19:53 <alterego> It's starting to curl on the right edge.
Nov 26 21:20:16 <K`zan> only another 7 hours...
Nov 26 21:20:24 <alterego> Until what?
Nov 26 21:20:28 <K`zan> Glad I have a cable connection :-)
Nov 26 21:20:32 <K`zan> 2008SE
Nov 26 21:20:35 <alterego> O_O
Nov 26 21:20:35 <doc|work> heh
Nov 26 21:20:38 <K`zan> :-)
Nov 26 21:20:46 <alterego> You have a cable connection and it's taking you 7 hours for a 140M file?!
Nov 26 21:20:58 <GeneralAntilles> Makes it sound like Windows 98SE, K`zan.
Nov 26 21:20:59 <Veggen> alterego: site is slow.
Nov 26 21:21:09 <GeneralAntilles> 12KB/sec now.
Nov 26 21:21:14 <alterego> It was slow when I did it .. At 80-100K/s
Nov 26 21:21:18 <K`zan> GeneralAntilles: Reminds me of the 110/300 baud dial up days :)
Nov 26 21:21:24 <Veggen> 3.6 KB/sec for me.
Nov 26 21:21:30 <K`zan> Blazing...
Nov 26 21:21:50 <K`zan> Obviously web site performance is important to Nokia :-/.
Nov 26 21:21:51 <pupnik> maybe the dealers are flashing units to fix a bug :)
Nov 26 21:21:52 <maddler> damn... dpkg --force-all is not working! :(
Nov 26 21:21:57 <alterego> I could write a script, that validates peoples MAC addresses with the Nokia site and then gives them access to a torrent ..
Nov 26 21:22:13 <alterego> I wouldn't feel so bad about doing that.
Nov 26 21:22:18 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
Nov 26 21:22:33 <maddler> alterego: also considering MAC validation can be easily circumvented!
Nov 26 21:22:37 <GeneralAntilles> Or just find yourself a more unscrupulous type to do it for you.
Nov 26 21:22:50 <alterego> maddler, just like it can on their site so they can't cry at me about bad security :P
Nov 26 21:22:59 <maddler> hehe
Nov 26 21:23:05 <K`zan> Faking it out worked for the 810 2008 bin :-/.
Nov 26 21:23:16 <maddler> K`zan: right...
Nov 26 21:23:19 <Veggen> alterego: I could give you my mac address in /msg, and then you could validate, and then do a /dcc send? shouldn'
Nov 26 21:23:25 <Veggen> 't take too long? ;)
Nov 26 21:23:27 <guerby> Veggen, 4kB/s for me...
Nov 26 21:23:30 <maddler> no reason to check for something you don't really check...
Nov 26 21:23:49 <maddler> guerby: yep... it was 10KB for me... :|
Nov 26 21:23:58 <K`zan> Yep, what good is the bin file to someone without the correct device, duhhh...
Nov 26 21:24:00 <_|Nix|_> Sheeesh! maemo is slowfully woe tonight ...
Nov 26 21:24:02 <doc|work> even garage is sucking
Nov 26 21:24:05 <alterego> Veggen, would be better if I uploaded it to my server. DCC from my machine (async) would be just as painful. Probably only 20K/s or something similar.
Nov 26 21:24:05 <maddler> which is pretty slow being on a 20mbit! :|
Nov 26 21:24:14 <guerby> maddler, well I'll have it tomorrow morning...
Nov 26 21:24:35 <K`zan> Maybe me too :)
Nov 26 21:24:40 <alterego> I quite liked the torrent idea ..
Nov 26 21:24:50 <K`zan> Up to almost 8 hours now...
Nov 26 21:24:56 <bill20r3> oof.
Nov 26 21:24:58 <K`zan> Maybe not tomorrow at this rate.
Nov 26 21:25:01 <bill20r3> mine took like 3 hours.
Nov 26 21:25:09 <alterego> Mine took 15minutes :P
Nov 26 21:25:13 <alterego> Are you all states?
Nov 26 21:25:14 <K`zan> Early bird gets the worm with that site...
Nov 26 21:25:27 <K`zan> I am, west coast USA, Seattle...
Nov 26 21:26:02 <alterego> Probably more effective if someone tells me they're _not_ from the states and they're getting crap dl rate from tablets-dev.nokia.com ..
Nov 26 21:26:30 <Veggen> I'm not from the stated.
Nov 26 21:26:31 <GeneralAntilles> You could always try again, alterego.
Nov 26 21:26:33 <Veggen> eh, states.
Nov 26 21:26:52 <alterego> Okay ..
Nov 26 21:27:33 <alterego> Okay .. That _is_ slow ..
Nov 26 21:27:50 <alterego> It's maemo.org slow ..
Nov 26 21:29:34 <alterego> Heh, I bet we're all going to be blogging on Christmas day after recieving out N810's on Christmas even ^_^
Nov 26 21:29:52 <alterego> 9 days between release and Christmas ..
Nov 26 21:29:55 <maddler> alterego: indeed...
Nov 26 21:30:03 <alterego> That is cutting it __fine__ ..
Nov 26 21:30:07 <maddler> beside I won't get it before nex january...
Nov 26 21:30:30 <maddler> :|
Nov 26 21:30:32 <maddler> since I won't be at home fron dec 20/jan 2
Nov 26 21:30:46 <alterego> Are you a fortunate 500?
Nov 26 21:31:01 <|R> And mine will be bouncing through france or the usa...
Nov 26 21:31:02 <maddler> alterego: yep...
Nov 26 21:31:03 <alterego> (reminds me of the 4400)
Nov 26 21:31:13 <Khertan> how to use flasher 3 to flash os2008 on my n800 ? Version of 'sw-release': <no version>
Nov 26 21:31:13 <Khertan> To flash the bootloader, you have to supply the X-Loader image
Nov 26 21:31:15 <maddler> hehe... true...
Nov 26 21:31:16 <Khertan> i get this error
Nov 26 21:31:19 <alterego> maddler, visiting family over Christmas? Why don't you get it delivered to their place ..
Nov 26 21:31:26 <geoffeg> Where's the Turbo Boost button for tablets-dev.nokia.com?
Nov 26 21:31:31 <maddler> alterego: will be traveling...
Nov 26 21:31:39 <GeneralAntilles> Helsinki, geoffeg. :)
Nov 26 21:31:53 <alterego> Castle Nokia ..
Nov 26 21:31:53 <geoffeg> well someone needs to go to helsinki and push the button
Nov 26 21:32:19 <alterego> Unfortunately it diverts bandwidth from security.microsoft.com
Nov 26 21:32:23 <alterego> I think they need the bw more ..
Nov 26 21:32:25 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
Nov 26 21:32:40 <Khertan> arg ... checksum ok ... can't flash it ... grrrr
Nov 26 21:33:15 <alterego> Khertan, ./flasher-3.0 -F ./path/to/image -f
Nov 26 21:33:20 <alterego> That should do it.
Nov 26 21:34:46 <Khertan> alterego: it what i ve do ...
Nov 26 21:34:50 <Khertan> alterego: it what i ve done ...
Nov 26 21:34:57 <alterego> Khertan, so .. What's the error?
Nov 26 21:35:28 <Khertan> To flash the bootloader, you have to supply the X-Loader image
Nov 26 21:35:31 <Khertan> snifff
Nov 26 21:35:35 <alterego> O_o
Nov 26 21:35:42 <Khertan> as you said
Nov 26 21:35:55 <alterego> Unpack it and forget about the bootloader.
Nov 26 21:36:27 <alterego> In other words .. Do the same method as the N810 on N800 hack.
Nov 26 21:36:28 <Khertan> lol ... i ll try :)
Nov 26 21:37:01 <Khertan> it s work better now :) ... flashing in progress :)
Nov 26 21:37:07 <Khertan> thanks :)
Nov 26 21:37:24 <alterego> Hmm .. Looks like tablets-dev needs jscript ..
Nov 26 21:37:59 <alterego> Either that or it's denying people into the download area :)
Nov 26 21:39:40 <czr> alterego, maybe it's just protecting people from needlessly downloading packages that will break anyway? :-)
Nov 26 21:39:52 <alterego> Pfft.
Nov 26 21:40:21 <alterego> I didn't have problems with the N810 release and I've not yet had problems with the N800 release .. Which is more stable ..
Nov 26 21:40:29 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe
Nov 26 21:40:56 <alterego> Yes, you're right. I don't count stability as an issue :P
Nov 26 21:41:18 <GeneralAntilles> Anybody have a cheatsheet for the OS2008 keyboard shortcuts?
Nov 26 21:41:33 <alterego> GeneralAntilles, that's a good idea .. Make one :P
Nov 26 21:41:42 * GeneralAntilles whines.
Nov 26 21:41:46 <alterego> ;)
Nov 26 21:41:52 <alterego> They're all spread out in the user guide ;)
Nov 26 21:42:16 <alterego> I think ctrl+k is close window
Nov 26 21:42:33 <milhouse> jeeez.... this new beta os2008/n800 is taking hours to download! hopefully that's due to demand and not a flakey server/connection :)
Nov 26 21:42:36 <alterego> That's the only one I can remember though ..
Nov 26 21:42:50 <alterego> milhouse, it's demand. I got it earlier at 80-100K/s
Nov 26 21:42:51 <milhouse> my download is crawling along at 3kb/sec!
Nov 26 21:42:54 <GeneralAntilles> Wish I could switch Windows and alt like it is on OS X
Nov 26 21:43:03 <milhouse> alterego: that's good to hear :)
Nov 26 21:43:06 <GeneralAntilles> Combination, methinks, milhouse.
Nov 26 21:43:13 <alterego> Alt-tab like function?
Nov 26 21:43:27 <GeneralAntilles> So control and alt were next to eachother.
Nov 26 21:44:17 <alterego> I kind of wish I didn't bother flashing it now. I can't even install an ssh server O_O
Nov 26 21:44:57 <GeneralAntilles> Why not?
Nov 26 21:45:00 <GeneralAntilles> Extras enabled?
Nov 26 21:45:11 <alterego> it's not just tablets-dev that's slow ;)
Nov 26 21:45:16 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
Nov 26 21:45:22 <alterego> Think of all the people downloading the 32 apps on downloads.maemo.org ..
Nov 26 21:45:45 <GeneralAntilles> They need to slap a half-dozen more servers onto maemo.org
Nov 26 21:45:49 <GeneralAntilles> I mean, seriously, it's so bad.
Nov 26 21:45:53 <alterego> Actually, I wonder if maemo extras and tablets-dev are the same server.
Nov 26 21:46:08 <GeneralAntilles> Seems likely
Nov 26 21:46:21 <geoffeg> tablets-dev is an akamai site
Nov 26 21:46:40 <alterego> Yeah, different IP
Nov 26 21:46:44 <alterego> Same subnet though
Nov 26 21:47:22 <alterego> Though, IP is meaningless. They could all be running on an 800Mhz PIII with 64M RAM.
Nov 26 21:47:33 <czr> /usr/sbin/sb-adduser: line 14: /usr/sbin/compatibility.sh: No such file or directory
Nov 26 21:47:49 <czr> hmm. one has to run /usr/run_me_first.sh to finish up scratchbox install?
Nov 26 21:47:58 <czr> and what a stupid place to put a script anyway :-)
Nov 26 21:48:08 <alterego> If you're not doing an apt-get install scratchbox-packages.
Nov 26 21:48:12 <czr> ah. especially since it doesn't even exist
Nov 26 21:48:17 <alterego> Heh
Nov 26 21:48:18 <czr> alterego, I did
Nov 26 21:48:24 <alterego> Really?
Nov 26 21:48:29 <czr> dpkg -i :-)
Nov 26 21:48:29 <alterego> I didn't have any setup after that ..
Nov 26 21:48:44 <alterego> Except the echo "1024 65000" > /proc/ ... stuff
Nov 26 21:48:51 <czr> hmm?
Nov 26 21:48:56 <czr> tsavola, ping?
Nov 26 21:48:59 <czr> or jumpula
Nov 26 21:49:10 * czr prepares some trouts
Nov 26 21:49:21 <alterego> local IP port range ..
Nov 26 21:49:27 <GeneralAntilles> Should I leave the stand on my iGo keyboard on or off?
Nov 26 21:49:33 <czr> why would you need to setup that alterego?
Nov 26 21:49:43 <alterego> GeneralAntilles, didn't it break off when you threw it out of the window?
Nov 26 21:49:52 <GeneralAntilles> No, thankfully.
Nov 26 21:49:53 <alterego> czr, dunno. Scratchbox complains when I don't.
Nov 26 21:49:58 <GeneralAntilles> Landed on somebody's cat.
Nov 26 21:50:00 <czr> alterego, weird
Nov 26 21:50:03 <alterego> Nice.
Nov 26 21:50:08 <alterego> It's a common issue.
Nov 26 21:50:33 <alterego> Oh, skype _is_ available now ..
Nov 26 21:51:19 <chx> let's say I give up... and I will use a foldable keyboard. is there some handy case to hold the N800 and a foldable keyboard together , forming, essentially, a very mini laptop?
Nov 26 21:51:42 <chx> so you do not need to find a table , you can just work wherever
Nov 26 21:52:08 <alterego> chx, you could make one with a small aluminum brief case.
Nov 26 21:52:12 <alterego> I saw a pic, hang on.
Nov 26 21:52:55 <czr> bleh, the 4.0 SDK instructions refer to sbox 1.0 installation docs.
Nov 26 21:53:00 <alterego> http://techepics.com/files/nokia_770_laptop.jpg
Nov 26 21:53:03 <alterego> How cool is that :)
Nov 26 21:53:04 <czr> which claim that installing sbox debs will ask questions. it doesn't.
Nov 26 21:53:39 <alterego> Though .. He uses a USB keyboard.
Nov 26 21:53:50 <chx> alterego: awfuly big, sorry, as I imagine, i would pocket the N800, the foldable keyboard and as I open, there is a somethign that holds em together
Nov 26 21:53:59 <alterego> czr, mine did. It asked what users I want added.
Nov 26 21:54:03 <chx> usually these foldable keyboards have some holder...?
Nov 26 21:54:06 <alterego> czr, and the name of a group.
Nov 26 21:54:13 <GeneralAntilles> I think having the iGo, the N800 and my cellphone in one pocket is a little much.
Nov 26 21:54:17 <czr> alterego, with apt-get?
Nov 26 21:54:21 <alterego> chx, I know. I just thought you might want to see it ;)
Nov 26 21:54:24 <alterego> czr, yup
Nov 26 21:54:27 <czr> weird
Nov 26 21:54:35 <chx> alterego: i read that blog (as everyone else?)
Nov 26 21:54:36 <GeneralAntilles> It's like a have a massive tumor on my thigh.
Nov 26 21:54:50 <alterego> czr, this was a month or so ago and my short term memory for these details can be somewhat foggy ;) But I do distinctly remember it asking me questions.
Nov 26 21:55:03 <alterego> chx, probably before my time.
Nov 26 21:55:22 <alterego> GeneralAntilles, maybe you do. Cell phone pocket?
Nov 26 21:55:24 <chx> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00009EBYA?smid=A3IZHOEADOGAP0&tag=nextag-ce-tier1-20&linkCode=asn you see this here?
Nov 26 21:55:41 <alterego> I hear those N95's are tumours in a brushed aluminum finish.
Nov 26 21:55:47 <czr> alterego, I found the culprit
Nov 26 21:55:47 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
Nov 26 21:55:53 <geoffeg> IT'S NOT AH TUHMA
Nov 26 21:55:58 <alterego> ;)
Nov 26 21:56:05 <czr> alterego, or rather, I didn't, but found a work-around. kind of
Nov 26 21:56:19 <czr> tuhma = naughty in finnish
Nov 26 21:56:27 <alterego> czr, are you trying to break things on purpose again? :)
Nov 26 21:56:33 <GeneralAntilles> This is what you want, chx: http://www.amazon.com/Stowaway-Ultra-Slim-Bluetooth-Blackberry-Handhelds/dp/B0002OKCXE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1196114179&sr=1-1
Nov 26 21:56:33 <geoffeg> alterego: by that you mean the bluetooth+802.11+cell signal?
Nov 26 21:56:46 <czr> alterego, for fucks sake, I'm just trying to do things My Way(tm), which is Clearly Superior(tm) :-)
Nov 26 21:57:01 <bill20r3> Obviously(C).
Nov 26 21:57:02 <chx> GeneralAntilles: what holds the stuff together?
Nov 26 21:57:03 <alterego> geoffeg, I was only kidding ;)
Nov 26 21:57:09 <chx> GeneralAntilles: keyboard and tablet
Nov 26 21:57:11 <czr> alterego, but yeah. just stumbling upon corners which have obviously gotten zero testing.
Nov 26 21:57:13 <alterego> geoffeg, but I would have included the GPS reciever in there too.
Nov 26 21:57:17 <geoffeg> alterego: cause like, if you don't want your n95 you can mail it to me
Nov 26 21:57:24 <alterego> Hah
Nov 26 21:57:29 <geoffeg> alterego: receivers don't emit anything, TEH DUH
Nov 26 21:57:33 <GeneralAntilles> Gravity, chx. :)
Nov 26 21:57:37 <alterego> geoffeg, I was being sarcastic ;)
Nov 26 21:57:47 <geoffeg> alterego: that's why i added "TEH DUH" :)
Nov 26 21:57:47 <chx> Includes carrying case & detachable PDA/phone stand
Nov 26 21:57:50 <chx> Ah haaa!
Nov 26 21:57:58 <GeneralAntilles> Ah, right
Nov 26 21:57:58 <alterego> geoffeg, I hear the screen is so bright it can blind grown men.
Nov 26 21:58:01 <GeneralAntilles> It's not in the picture there.
Nov 26 21:58:03 <ajturner_> GeneralAntilles: wow, $30 for the stow-away? assume it is standard BT HID?
Nov 26 21:58:06 <GeneralAntilles> Sorry, chx, I was being mean. :(
Nov 26 21:58:09 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah
Nov 26 21:58:12 <GeneralAntilles> Works perfectly
Nov 26 21:58:17 <geoffeg> alterego: i hear the CPU gets so hot it can cook your nuts in 2 seconds
Nov 26 21:58:17 <GeneralAntilles> Black Friday/Holiday deal.
Nov 26 21:58:27 <GeneralAntilles> Was $70-$80 four days ago.
Nov 26 21:58:29 <alterego> Sounds like an ex girlfriend.
Nov 26 21:58:48 <alterego> Oh, shit .. I missed black friday ..
Nov 26 21:58:55 <GeneralAntilles> What's with the broken Rhapsody 3.1?
Nov 26 21:59:01 <chx> $30, where????
Nov 26 21:59:01 <GeneralAntilles> OHSHIT!
Nov 26 21:59:07 <GeneralAntilles> amazon.com
Nov 26 21:59:11 <chx> ah right now on amazon.com
Nov 26 21:59:12 <chx> true.
Nov 26 21:59:14 <chx> nice.
Nov 26 21:59:16 <alterego> I'm not even in the states. But I run over to the nearest US airbase and ransack the place.
Nov 26 21:59:22 <GeneralAntilles> Haha
Nov 26 21:59:36 <GeneralAntilles> It just gets crazy over here
Nov 26 21:59:43 <alterego> I still don't get why it's called "Black Friday" .. Kind of sounds racist to me.
Nov 26 21:59:48 <GeneralAntilles> People stampeding into WalMart at 3 AM
Nov 26 21:59:55 <ajturner_> heh, most popular combo is the stowaway + N800
Nov 26 21:59:56 <GeneralAntilles> Seems like something recent
Nov 26 22:00:03 <GeneralAntilles> As I don't ever recall it being called that in the past.
Nov 26 22:00:31 <bill20r3> altergeo, supposedly it's the day that retailers go 'into the black' for the year.
Nov 26 22:00:39 <GeneralAntilles> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Friday_(shopping)
Nov 26 22:00:44 <captlloyd_> mm
Nov 26 22:00:46 <GeneralAntilles> End of first paragraph, alterego.
Nov 26 22:00:49 <GeneralAntilles> Sounds pretty stupid to me.
Nov 26 22:00:53 * czr reminds himself why using 'user' for unix account name isn't the most brilliant thing to do: "Scratchbox user account for user user added"
Nov 26 22:00:55 <GeneralAntilles> Or just plain wrong.
Nov 26 22:01:04 <alterego> czr, hahah
Nov 26 22:01:15 <czr> it's too late to change now though. user user ftw.
Nov 26 22:01:24 <czr> the hostname is 'system' btw :-)
Nov 26 22:01:33 <alterego> czr, what are you running? Maemo or Mac OS X?
Nov 26 22:01:34 <alterego> :P
Nov 26 22:01:42 <alterego> No-one should have a user user.
Nov 26 22:01:46 <czr> alterego, this is ubuntu for now :-)
Nov 26 22:01:46 <ajturner_> it's also referenced "Black" b/c its such an insane day to work in a retail store
Nov 26 22:01:59 <czr> alterego, yeah, but when writing generic training material, it's not always obvious which names to use.
Nov 26 22:02:09 <czr> alterego, using czr@itchy for example doesn't make much sense.
Nov 26 22:02:11 <alterego> Erm .. Okay.
Nov 26 22:02:34 <[pablo]_> has anyone gotten media box to work on 2008?
Nov 26 22:02:54 <czr> alterego, people realize the amount of suffering and tears that goes into writing training material :-)
Nov 26 22:02:58 <czr> +rarely
Nov 26 22:03:23 <GeneralAntilles> We should make a holiday.
Nov 26 22:03:42 <alterego> Ah, I get it now.
Nov 26 22:03:46 <captlloyd_> I'm trying to get a copy of the latest OS2008 and its downloading SLOWWWW
Nov 26 22:04:16 <captlloyd_> I had it on my desktop, but I'm not there right now, I'm kicking myself for not bringing a copy of the image with me
Nov 26 22:04:20 <alterego> czr, you could always do a global substitution of czr for user and @itchy to @hostname
Nov 26 22:04:21 <alterego> :P
Nov 26 22:04:46 <czr> alterego, I could, if I'd be using my own generator system
Nov 26 22:04:47 <alterego> Yeah, everyone's having that problem.
Nov 26 22:04:55 <czr> but the crap that I'm using is really lame
Nov 26 22:04:56 * konttori is testing xchat on n810
Nov 26 22:05:02 <konttori> works really well
Nov 26 22:05:06 <alterego> Someone should ask for a Nokia BT tracker. It'd be most effective for these things.
Nov 26 22:05:13 <czr> I'd need to unescape all the unnecessary escaping I'm doing in order to replace pretty much anything in the listings
Nov 26 22:05:32 <captlloyd_> Anyone have a fastish place they could put up a copy of the image?
Nov 26 22:05:38 * konttori has ported nuvopearl, so smallish fonts help apps like xchat
Nov 26 22:05:38 <czr> alterego, it's not going to happen. bt tracker that is
Nov 26 22:05:49 <K`zan> If I ever get it :)
Nov 26 22:05:54 <alterego> czr, It is if I do it ;)
Nov 26 22:05:58 <czr> alterego, also, I don't think releasing the image as bt would be possible because of legal issues
Nov 26 22:05:59 <K`zan> Only 6.75 hours left...
Nov 26 22:06:01 * zeenix wonders where konttori gets all his energy from
Nov 26 22:06:06 <alterego> Oh.
Nov 26 22:06:08 <czr> alterego, it won't be a nokia bt tracker then :-)
Nov 26 22:06:10 <captlloyd_> yeah, same thing here, 6+ hours
Nov 26 22:06:38 <K`zan> Now 8 hours 15 minutes :-(
Nov 26 22:06:55 <czr> alterego, I'm not saying it would be impossible. just not going to happen.
Nov 26 22:07:16 <GeneralAntilles> Join the fun: http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3910524
Nov 26 22:07:18 <alterego> czr, it seems quite trivial to me :/ I don't see why they wouldn't do it.
Nov 26 22:07:30 <czr> alterego, you haven't worked with nokia before :-)
Nov 26 22:07:58 <alterego> czr, I dunno if you saw my idea earlier. About setting up a small section on my site that people entered their MAC's and it validated it with tablets-dev .. Then allowed them to download a .torrent file and become part of the swarm.
Nov 26 22:08:26 <czr> alterego, that wouldn't stop anyone from joining into the swarm
Nov 26 22:08:27 <alterego> czr, that's _as_ secure as the current method :)
Nov 26 22:08:41 <czr> well. yeah. but not really :-)
Nov 26 22:08:48 <alterego> czr, how would they get the .torrent? You can't just "scan" for swarms.
Nov 26 22:08:49 <czr> and the current system does suck, I know :-)
Nov 26 22:08:59 <czr> alterego, someone would publish a DHT point or two
Nov 26 22:09:13 <K`zan> OK, I'll try the torrent thing again...
Nov 26 22:09:18 <alterego> And from that people could steal some random torrent?
Nov 26 22:09:27 <elb> yes
Nov 26 22:09:28 <K`zan> BUT leaving the other running since it is MUCH faster than the torrent already :)
Nov 26 22:09:29 <czr> alterego, the image.
Nov 26 22:09:41 <alterego> Interesting. I didn't know :)
Nov 26 22:09:41 <elb> you can join a torrent without the tracker's involvement
Nov 26 22:09:47 * czr nods at elb
Nov 26 22:09:52 <elb> all the tracker does is provide a convenient place to find it
Nov 26 22:10:01 <K`zan> up and down 0 KB/s
Nov 26 22:10:03 <czr> elb btw, the issue with libdbus is not going to be fixed. got shouted at by thiago for even raising the whole assert issue :-)
Nov 26 22:10:04 <alterego> Right
Nov 26 22:10:11 <elb> well, I think it does more than that, but it's not *required*
Nov 26 22:10:13 <elb> czr: really?
Nov 26 22:10:18 <elb> czr: that sucks
Nov 26 22:10:19 <czr> elb, yup.
Nov 26 22:10:22 <czr> yup.
Nov 26 22:10:25 <elb> they have no plan for connecting without aborting?
Nov 26 22:10:27 <Jiten_> is there some control on who can download those files? if not, I don't really see what's the difference with http link and a torrent.
Nov 26 22:10:38 <alterego> There's an issue with dbus?
Nov 26 22:10:47 <alterego> czr, oh. ke-recv is about automounting ..
Nov 26 22:10:51 <czr> elb, the issue is (according to thiago) that not having uuid in place is a "failed install", and hence should abort the library
Nov 26 22:10:51 <konttori> the biggest reason why tacker is out of the question at  the moment is because of lwgal contracts between nokia and 3rd party component providers
Nov 26 22:10:55 <milhouse> bugger... download crapped out at 68% :( god help us if nokia tablets ever become really popular! ;)
Nov 26 22:11:13 <K`zan> milhouse: I said that earlier :)
Nov 26 22:11:24 <czr> elb, so it qualifies as "library internal assert". I don't agree but who am I to argue.
Nov 26 22:11:24 <K`zan> Now the torrent is faster...
Nov 26 22:11:27 <elb> czr: so ... because some library which an application uses which may not even be necessary for correct operation has a hissy, the appliction should abort with prejudice?
Nov 26 22:11:36 <alterego> There's a torrent?
Nov 26 22:11:38 <czr> elb, that seems his point.
Nov 26 22:11:44 <czr> elb, in this case. the uuid mess.
Nov 26 22:11:46 <elb> I would disagree, as well
Nov 26 22:11:49 * czr nods
Nov 26 22:12:01 <K`zan> http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3910524
Nov 26 22:12:02 <czr> I don't like libraries asserting internally
Nov 26 22:12:12 <elb> neither do I
Nov 26 22:12:23 <czr> unless it's about something internal in them. something not visible in the environment at all
Nov 26 22:12:26 <elb> libraries should assert internally only when they identify a situation where they believe data may be corrupt, etc.
Nov 26 22:12:28 <K`zan> 2x the direct speed (9 KB/s)
Nov 26 22:12:28 <czr> but even then it's pita.
Nov 26 22:12:30 <czr> yup
Nov 26 22:12:36 <konttori> what dbus assert issue?
Nov 26 22:12:38 <alterego> czr, otherwise they should probably propogate ;)
Nov 26 22:12:41 <elb> *certainly* not because some file is missing
Nov 26 22:12:49 <elb> or an environment variable, or any such thing
Nov 26 22:12:54 <czr> konttori, run any app that uses libosso without run-standalone and you'll see. dbus_bus_get will assert and abort.
Nov 26 22:13:00 <czr> konttori, or any libdbus client for that matter.
Nov 26 22:13:21 <czr> konttori, 3.2 handled this by returning NULL from that function. 4.0/1.0.2 asserts internally.
Nov 26 22:13:23 <derf> Crashing your program makes people fix things.
Nov 26 22:13:25 <alterego> Yeah, the machine uuid issue is very common though ..
Nov 26 22:13:36 <konttori> can you please file a bug
Nov 26 22:13:56 <czr> konttori, the dbus people aren't going to fix it
Nov 26 22:14:08 <czr> konttori, but I can. later. will drop you a note with the number.
Nov 26 22:14:14 <konttori> my team handles dbus among other things
Nov 26 22:14:19 <czr> great
Nov 26 22:14:21 <geoffeg> I hope the tablets-dev download resumes when i get home
Nov 26 22:14:37 <konttori> so, i can promise a good evaluation at least
Nov 26 22:15:12 <czr> konttori, I did discuss this on #dbus yesterday. thiago said that it _should_ assert.
Nov 26 22:15:23 <czr> imho it's not what it should do, but.. :-)
Nov 26 22:15:33 <czr> but I'll write a bug and we'll see what will happen.
Nov 26 22:16:18 <konttori> ahh... yes, well, then i guess it's still better to file the bug. nagging tends to help
Nov 26 22:16:32 <maddler> great!!! Skype running on N800! :DDD
Nov 26 22:16:52 * konttori goes to sleep
Nov 26 22:17:36 <captlloyd_> I've had no luck finding an N810 2008 torrent
Nov 26 22:17:40 <K`zan> Ok, maybe torrent is better - already up to 30 KB/S - direct still at 4.1
Nov 26 22:18:28 <GeneralAntilles> Scroll up, captlloyd. :\
Nov 26 22:18:48 <GeneralAntilles> Stop stealing my bandwidth, K`zan. :P
Nov 26 22:19:07 <K`zan> LOL, just hedging my bets :-)
Nov 26 22:19:15 <captlloyd_> That's the version for N800
Nov 26 22:19:17 <captlloyd_> RX-34
Nov 26 22:19:18 <K`zan> Get the torrent - MUCH faster
Nov 26 22:19:39 <K`zan> 6x ATM...
Nov 26 22:19:50 <GeneralAntilles> Uh, why do you need an N810 OS2008 torrent?
Nov 26 22:19:53 <K`zan> Passed what I got direct already.
Nov 26 22:19:54 <GeneralAntilles> It already has OS2008.
Nov 26 22:20:02 <captlloyd_> They released an update
Nov 26 22:20:11 <GeneralAntilles> I'm running at 70-80KB on the torrent.
Nov 26 22:20:14 <alterego> O_o
Nov 26 22:20:27 <alterego> GeneralAntilles, that's good :)
Nov 26 22:20:28 <K`zan> 20 KB/s ATM here.
Nov 26 22:20:30 <pi_> re
Nov 26 22:20:30 <captlloyd_> I'm also trying to figure out if I have something wrong with my tablet, some things aren't working
Nov 26 22:20:39 <alterego> So some bad person has done a N800 OS2008 torrent?
Nov 26 22:20:42 <captlloyd_> I think its just buggy software
Nov 26 22:20:49 <K`zan> May need to do some rearrangement for torrent on the firewall.
Nov 26 22:20:50 <GeneralAntilles> I need to get my mother to open this up at home and throw the massive pipe I have there behind it. :)
Nov 26 22:20:50 * elb demands a tablet
Nov 26 22:20:51 <alterego> captlloyd, what's not working?
Nov 26 22:21:09 <captlloyd_> Just the google based voice chat
Nov 26 22:21:09 <K`zan> Yow, just jumped to 175 KB/s!
Nov 26 22:21:12 <captlloyd_> Says its working fine
Nov 26 22:21:19 <captlloyd_> but I hear nothing, and noone hears me
Nov 26 22:21:20 <alterego> I'd join in but I'm not sure how to integrate an already complete file.
Nov 26 22:21:33 <GeneralAntilles> That's a NAT issue, captlloyd_.
Nov 26 22:21:46 <GeneralAntilles> Just select it when it asks where to download, alterego.
Nov 26 22:21:49 <captlloyd_> I turned on DMZ and pointed it at my tablet
Nov 26 22:21:58 <captlloyd_> and it did the same thing
Nov 26 22:22:02 <captlloyd_> Maybe I'll try it again
Nov 26 22:22:07 <GeneralAntilles> How about on the other end?
Nov 26 22:22:10 <alterego> GeneralAntilles, seriously? :/
Nov 26 22:22:16 <GeneralAntilles> Or, rather, select the folder that it resides in.
Nov 26 22:22:16 <GeneralAntilles> Yes.
Nov 26 22:22:20 <K`zan> Need to replace that router with an access point :-/.
Nov 26 22:22:28 <GeneralAntilles> It'll check it against the torrent.
Nov 26 22:22:29 <alterego> Where's the torrent?
Nov 26 22:22:29 <_Monkey> the torrent is slow shit
Nov 26 22:22:33 <GeneralAntilles> http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3910524
Nov 26 22:22:35 <captlloyd_> Yeah, it could have been the person on the other end too
Nov 26 22:22:41 <GeneralAntilles> _Monkey, STFU
Nov 26 22:22:41 <_Monkey> yes sir
Nov 26 22:22:41 <alterego> _monkey forget torrent
Nov 26 22:22:42 <_Monkey> alterego: I forgot torrent
Nov 26 22:22:53 <alterego> _monkey torrent is <reply>
Nov 26 22:22:54 <_Monkey> OK, alterego.
Nov 26 22:22:59 <K`zan> _Monkey: Just jumped here from 20 KB/s to almost 200.  Now at 150, patience I guess :).
Nov 26 22:22:59 <_Monkey> K`zan: huh?
Nov 26 22:23:05 <alterego> _monkey the newb ..
Nov 26 22:23:06 <_Monkey> alterego: excuse me?
Nov 26 22:23:22 <K`zan> _Monkey: huh? huh?
Nov 26 22:23:23 <_Monkey> k`zan: bugger all, i dunno
Nov 26 22:23:27 <K`zan> Me either :)
Nov 26 22:23:29 * alterego joins the torrent.
Nov 26 22:23:36 <alterego> I'll superseed for a couple of hours.
Nov 26 22:24:01 <K`zan> 24:52 on the torrent, 7:33 on the direct, gonna kill the direct.
Nov 26 22:24:10 <K`zan> Thanks to whomever put up the torrent!
Nov 26 22:24:45 <K`zan> ***Thanks*** to whomever put up the torrent! :-)
Nov 26 22:33:25 <K`zan> Anyone got an MD5SUM on that torrent?
Nov 26 22:34:29 <jslegare> Hi all.
Nov 26 22:34:29 <_Monkey> Hi all. is there a decent flickr mass uploader for the n800 ye?
Nov 26 22:34:29 <alterego> 900353c77fc7357a8a6a40b0b9483c2c
Nov 26 22:34:33 <alterego> That's what I've got.
Nov 26 22:34:46 * elb passes out sha1sum
Nov 26 22:34:48 <alterego> _Monkey forget Hi all.
Nov 26 22:34:49 <_Monkey> alterego, I didn't have anything matching hi all
Nov 26 22:34:51 <alterego> _Monkey forget Hi all
Nov 26 22:34:52 <_Monkey> alterego, I didn't have anything matching hi all
Nov 26 22:34:53 * czr just passes out
Nov 26 22:34:54 <alterego> _Monkey forget Hi
Nov 26 22:34:54 <_Monkey> alterego: I forgot hi
Nov 26 22:34:58 <alterego> _Monkey forget all
Nov 26 22:34:59 <_Monkey> alterego, I didn't have anything matching all
Nov 26 22:35:05 <alterego> _Monkey Hi is <reply>
Nov 26 22:35:06 <_Monkey> OK, alterego.
Nov 26 22:35:07 <K`zan> alterego: THanks, wll check when it finishes here and verify.
Nov 26 22:35:18 <alterego> Dumb bot.
Nov 26 22:35:21 <elb> oh good, more infobot spam
Nov 26 22:35:34 <alterego> Maybe it should only remember stuff over 4 characters ..
Nov 26 22:35:35 <[pablo]_> lol
Nov 26 22:35:43 <alterego> And have a black list of common greetings O_O
Nov 26 22:35:48 <elb> I don't know if it's worse when they reply with irrelevancies, or when people twiddle with them in channel for a dozen lines
Nov 26 22:36:02 <elb> really, it should only reply to things which are prefixed with _Monkey:
Nov 26 22:36:05 <alterego> elb, I tried to get it over and done with quickly ;)
Nov 26 22:36:16 * elb passes out the free /query to go with sha1sums
Nov 26 22:36:25 <GeneralAntilles> Ha, direct and torrent are neck and neck!
Nov 26 22:36:26 <milhouse> you can always chat with _monkey privately :)
Nov 26 22:36:28 <captlloyd_> Ok, so I got someone else to turn on DMZ on their end too
Nov 26 22:36:34 <captlloyd_> and still they can't hear me, and I can't hear them
Nov 26 22:37:06 <captlloyd_> *sigh*
Nov 26 22:37:26 <elb> I do that when people I don't want to talk to call, sometimes
Nov 26 22:37:29 <GeneralAntilles> Still doesn't eliminate network problem.
Nov 26 22:37:35 <elb> "I can't hear you, you're breaking up"
Nov 26 22:37:37 <elb> <click>
Nov 26 22:37:50 <captlloyd_> I wonder what I can try next
Nov 26 22:37:57 <jslegare> I'm trying to port a firefox plugin to the N800. Is there a bora specific version of the Gecko-Sdk (the mozilla np-api header files) I can use ?
Nov 26 22:38:35 * alterego starts work on a theme.
Nov 26 22:38:46 <GeneralAntilles> Make it as awesome as Plankton.
Nov 26 22:39:00 <alterego> It'll be awesomer.
Nov 26 22:39:20 <alterego> When you say plankton. Do you mean echo?
Nov 26 22:39:20 <K`zan> Confirm md5sum here is same: 900353c77fc7357a8a6a40b0b9483c2c
Nov 26 22:39:25 <alterego> (default OS2008)
Nov 26 22:39:47 <alterego> Yes, they're the same.
Nov 26 22:40:11 <GeneralAntilles> http://www.iki.fi/zuh/gimp-on-n800.png
Nov 26 22:40:14 <GeneralAntilles> That's the one I mean.
Nov 26 22:41:05 <alterego> Wow .. I can really make it look different ..
Nov 26 22:41:08 <alterego> The whole systemy.
Nov 26 22:41:39 <K`zan> crap, blew away the torrent client, was going to leave it up and seeding :-/
Nov 26 22:41:43 <K`zan> Lets see if I can get it back.
Nov 26 22:41:58 <alterego> GeneralAntilles, the GIMP in scratchbox ;)
Nov 26 22:41:59 <czr> hmm. weird. where is the devkit-debian-etch package for sbox?
Nov 26 22:42:14 <alterego> Erm.
Nov 26 22:42:42 <czr> hmm. maybe the automatic SDK installs script assumes that the sdk target have already been created
Nov 26 22:42:46 <alterego> czr, scratchbox-devkit-debian
Nov 26 22:42:54 <czr> alterego, I've got that installed.
Nov 26 22:43:07 <czr> ahh. I haven't
Nov 26 22:43:08 <czr> wtf.
Nov 26 22:43:08 <alterego> scratchbox-devkit-maemo3 ?
Nov 26 22:43:22 <czr> that's installed.
Nov 26 22:43:31 <alterego> Should depend ..
Nov 26 22:43:32 <alterego> :/
Nov 26 22:43:35 <czr> bleh. doesn't.
Nov 26 22:43:51 <alterego> Well .. That's obvious. I was just saying it should ;)
Nov 26 22:43:57 * czr nods
Nov 26 22:44:01 <GeneralAntilles> The direct and the torrent finished within 2 seconds of eachother
Nov 26 22:44:04 <GeneralAntilles> Time to flash.
Nov 26 22:44:12 <alterego> Heh
Nov 26 22:44:38 * alterego gets the N800 voodoo doll he made for GeneralAntilles and starts poking and proding it angryily
Nov 26 22:44:51 <czr> heh. "dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove remove which isn't installed."
Nov 26 22:44:51 <GeneralAntilles> Oh noes!
Nov 26 22:44:53 <alterego> Oh crap .. That's _my_ N800!!
Nov 26 22:45:01 * alterego 's plan backfires (again)
Nov 26 22:45:05 <alterego> I don't get any luck ..
Nov 26 22:45:08 <GeneralAntilles> Muhahah!
Nov 26 22:45:13 <czr> alterego, no win available.
Nov 26 22:46:01 <alterego> Oh .. That's what a breadcrumb is ..
Nov 26 22:46:30 <alterego> Those are neat ..
Nov 26 22:46:57 <milhouse> cool... with the torrent i'm pulling it down at 41kb/s :)
Nov 26 22:47:07 <milhouse> direct is still going at a snails pace
Nov 26 22:47:37 <alterego> Sweet .. I can even skin the clock applet ..
Nov 26 22:48:37 <alterego> This is going to be fun ..
Nov 26 22:58:23 <GeneralAntilles> Looks like Backup doesn't remember your selected location for the restore applications procedure
Nov 26 22:58:24 <GeneralAntilles> that sucks.
Nov 26 23:02:28 <alterego> Looks like the gtkrc theme file is generated from multiple files .. Interesting.
Nov 26 23:03:17 <Drel> Hello -- is there a mirror available for OS2008 for N800?  The tablets-dev.nokia.com site is terribly slow (currently getting 4Kbps).
Nov 26 23:03:43 <alterego> Drel, there's a torrent on piratebay appearantly.
Nov 26 23:04:09 <milhouse> the torrent is working well - i just downloaded it in about 20 minutes
Nov 26 23:04:52 <geoffeg> nokia needs to host their files on some porn site, faster downloads
Nov 26 23:05:22 <Drel> heh, thanks for tips, I'll check piratebay.
Nov 26 23:05:43 <geoffeg> whoo, i'm getting 5KB now!
Nov 26 23:05:58 <alterego> It's going to take a long time for me to refactor all of this information into something I can use me thinks.
Nov 26 23:06:29 <GeneralAntilles> http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3910524
Nov 26 23:06:30 <milhouse> here's the torrent link: http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3910524
Nov 26 23:06:38 <GeneralAntilles> Win!
Nov 26 23:06:45 <milhouse> i won here! :)
Nov 26 23:06:54 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
Nov 26 23:06:59 <GeneralAntilles> We need a neutral 3rd party!
Nov 26 23:07:11 <milhouse> hehe
Nov 26 23:07:24 <Drel> Thanks guys, their search index seems out of date so the direct link was helpful.
Nov 26 23:07:25 <astro76> GeneralAntilles by a nose
Nov 26 23:07:28 <astro76> :p
Nov 26 23:07:31 <GeneralAntilles> Woo!
Nov 26 23:07:35 <gla55_> on my screen too
Nov 26 23:07:40 <Drel> I got milhouse slightly earlier...
Nov 26 23:07:46 <GeneralAntilles> Oh noes!
Nov 26 23:08:06 <gla55_> 2vs1 for gen
Nov 26 23:08:17 <milhouse> i admit defeat! ;)
Nov 26 23:08:32 <GeneralAntilles> A fine fight, sir!
Nov 26 23:08:43 <milhouse> curses!
Nov 26 23:09:15 <GeneralAntilles> I need to get my home pipe involved
Nov 26 23:09:18 <GeneralAntilles> 2Mbps up
Nov 26 23:09:26 <Drel> Sweet, 300kB/sec is more like it.
Nov 26 23:09:28 <GeneralAntilles> Too bad my server machine that would let me get in is dead. :(
Nov 26 23:10:32 <doc|work> I got milhouse first too :)
Nov 26 23:11:37 <GeneralAntilles> Probably North America guys got me and Euros got him.
Nov 26 23:11:41 <GeneralAntilles> But he already admitted defeat!
Nov 26 23:13:03 <lophyte> anyone know the standard currency in poland?
Nov 26 23:13:27 <Drel> Zloty?
Nov 26 23:13:35 <GeneralAntilles> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_z%C5%82oty
Nov 26 23:13:38 <GeneralAntilles> I mean, for serious.
Nov 26 23:13:42 <GeneralAntilles> What is wikipedia for?
Nov 26 23:14:03 <lophyte> yeah I wasn't sure if it was zloty or euro
Nov 26 23:14:11 <Drel> Interesting. I've never seen the l with a diagonal bar through it before.
Nov 26 23:14:28 <lophyte> because I found a couple of polish computer stores that listed prices in euro
Nov 26 23:15:59 <elb> wikipedia is for finding articles which may or may not be at all correct, and then believing it as if it is and thus becoming dumber
Nov 26 23:16:05 <elb> at least, that's what most people seem to do with it
Nov 26 23:16:24 * GeneralAntilles rolls his eyes.
Nov 26 23:19:33 <GeneralAntilles> Looks like the Application Restore chokes on applications installed with .debs
Nov 26 23:20:19 <captlloyd_> Well, didn't get the talk program to work, but Skype works great
Nov 26 23:21:15 <alterego> Yeah, wikipedia has an IQ of ~80
Nov 26 23:21:21 <alterego> Slightly below the average.
Nov 26 23:24:51 <Drel> Hmm.  Skype failed to install. :-(  It wants me to install the latest software for my N810 device (even though I have a N800).
Nov 26 23:26:47 <alterego> Crap
Nov 26 23:27:24 <Veggen> uhuh. anyone got flasher-3.0 ?
Nov 26 23:27:51 <Veggen> (seems I can't reach site right now - got the image per bittorent, but...hrmf)
Nov 26 23:28:47 <Veggen> (or, a direct lin to it. surfing for it is *slow*)
Nov 26 23:28:56 <GeneralAntilles> http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php
Nov 26 23:29:11 <milhouse> skype installed fine on my n800/os2008 (-18) - no difference to Skype on OS2007 tbh
Nov 26 23:29:30 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, the version check is stupid
Nov 26 23:29:34 <GeneralAntilles> 1 < 18 or 19
Nov 26 23:29:36 <GeneralAntilles> so it fails
Nov 26 23:29:41 <GeneralAntilles> But doesn't check the build week.
Nov 26 23:29:57 <kupesoft> the os2008 download is going *really* slow
Nov 26 23:30:00 <kupesoft> anyone have a mirror?
Nov 26 23:30:26 <GeneralAntilles> http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3910524
Nov 26 23:30:29 <elb> people sure do complain a lot about stolen software
Nov 26 23:30:38 <milhouse> i'll upload flasher to my server - gimme to ticks
Nov 26 23:30:55 <doc|work> elb: random thought of the hour? :)
Nov 26 23:31:22 <kupesoft> GeneralAntilles: thanks
Nov 26 23:31:40 <Veggen> elb: well. I *did* start download via official site, gave my WLAN id - so I don't feel guilty.
Nov 26 23:32:54 <kupesoft_> much better~ :)
Nov 26 23:32:58 <kupesoft_> What a mirror for the flasher?
Nov 26 23:33:33 <milhouse> Veggen: http://nmacleod.com/nokia/flasher-3.0
Nov 26 23:33:56 <Veggen> thanks.
Nov 26 23:35:11 <milhouse> That is the Linux Intel x86 (32-bit not 64-bit) version, dynamic linkage
Nov 26 23:36:26 <kupesoft> The md5sum checks out (:
Nov 26 23:36:36 <milhouse> The Nokia flasher page (http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php) is slow but working OK here - I just downloaded flasher-3.0 from the Nokia site in under 10 seconds
Nov 26 23:37:01 <kupesoft> maemo.org is borked,
Nov 26 23:37:08 <kupesoft> memcache handler: Failed to connect to localhost:11211.
Nov 26 23:37:37 <sp3000> localhost:11211 is an awesome site
Nov 26 23:37:50 <elb> Veggen: oh, most people here talking about os2008 used the instructions on the interweb to fetch it illicitly
Nov 26 23:38:47 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
Nov 26 23:42:59 <alterego> Interesting ..
Nov 26 23:43:44 <alterego> I brokzored it :/
Nov 26 23:44:50 <kupesoft> Is the new firmware fast like the is2008 image meant for the n810?
Nov 26 23:45:01 <alterego> kupesoft, why wouldn't it be?
Nov 26 23:45:05 <kupesoft> I dunno,
Nov 26 23:45:17 <alterego> Well then ..
Nov 26 23:45:23 <kupesoft> maybe there's some n810 kernel-tweaking that sped everything up,
Nov 26 23:45:30 <kupesoft> but not in the n800 image
Nov 26 23:45:33 <kupesoft> c'est possible!
Nov 26 23:45:36 <alterego> Why would they do that?
Nov 26 23:45:47 <alterego> The N810 and N800 have almost identical hardware ..
Nov 26 23:46:03 <alterego> Same CPU .. Same memory .. Same internal flash ..
Nov 26 23:47:24 <kupesoft> fair enough,
Nov 26 23:47:56 <kupesoft> skype wouldn't install, says it wants the n810 firmware...
Nov 26 23:48:12 <alterego> It is a beta.
Nov 26 23:48:21 <kupesoft> fair enough,
Nov 26 23:49:16 <doc|work> that seems like an avoidable bug :/
Nov 26 23:49:49 <alterego> It shouldn't even be available.
Nov 26 23:49:57 <GeneralAntilles> The Skype installer only checks the build number
Nov 26 23:49:59 <GeneralAntilles> rather than the week
Nov 26 23:50:09 <GeneralAntilles> as 1 is less than 18 or 19
Nov 26 23:50:13 <GeneralAntilles> You get a failure.
Nov 26 23:50:25 <alterego> You could force it to install.
Nov 26 23:51:32 <Veggen> ok...where has the menu gone? ;)
Nov 26 23:51:56 <doc|work> o.O
Nov 26 23:52:15 <Veggen> oh. there.
Nov 27 00:08:25 <GeneralAntilles> How did Nokia manage to DOWNGRADE the functionality of xterm from OS2007? :\
Nov 27 00:08:47 <alterego> They didn't.
Nov 27 00:08:51 <alterego> It's just a bit different.
Nov 27 00:08:53 <GeneralAntilles> Did too!
Nov 27 00:08:56 <alterego> It's actually better in some ways.
Nov 27 00:09:05 <GeneralAntilles> Hitting control-c is, like, 5 steps
Nov 27 00:09:12 <GeneralAntilles> versus 2 in the version I had before.
Nov 27 00:09:16 <alterego> Define a CTRL-C button then :P
Nov 27 00:09:21 <GeneralAntilles> Bleh
Nov 27 00:09:32 <derf> Put a Ctrl key on your keyboard.
Nov 27 00:09:47 <GeneralAntilles> On the Vkb?
Nov 27 00:09:51 <alterego> Yeah there are a few things that are very N810 oriented ..
Nov 27 00:09:51 <derf> Yes.
Nov 27 00:09:59 <GeneralAntilles> The default one?
Nov 27 00:10:00 <GeneralAntilles> How?
Nov 27 00:10:05 <derf> I have no idea.
Nov 27 00:10:08 <GeneralAntilles> :\
Nov 27 00:10:16 <derf> I don't run the default one.
Nov 27 00:10:32 <GeneralAntilles> Wonder if this beta fixes the issues with text doubling that I was having in xterm.
Nov 27 00:10:42 <GeneralAntilles> Nope. . . .
Nov 27 00:10:52 <jumpula> czr: pong
Nov 27 00:11:05 <czr> jumpula, hello :-)
Nov 27 00:11:09 <czr> you have strange hours :-)
Nov 27 00:11:18 <jumpula> and you? :)
Nov 27 00:11:25 <czr> jumpula, sbox_adduser doesn't seem to be documented anywhere where the 4.0 sdk install doc points to
Nov 27 00:11:32 <czr> I'm always like this :-)
Nov 27 00:11:47 <jumpula> hmm
Nov 27 00:11:55 <czr> the install doc refers to sb1 docs, and sb-adduser is used there. sb-adduser is broken with apophis
Nov 27 00:12:06 <jumpula> which version?
Nov 27 00:12:08 <czr> at least when I did dpkg -i scratch*.deb style install of apophis
Nov 27 00:12:11 <jumpula> ah, the latest, yeah
Nov 27 00:12:16 <czr> known issue?
Nov 27 00:12:24 <jumpula> yeah, that's my fault.
Nov 27 00:12:27 <czr> complains about not running /usr/run_me_first.sh or similar
Nov 27 00:12:32 <jumpula> fixed in the head, though
Nov 27 00:12:43 <czr> ah ok. I found a round-about way of doing it though
Nov 27 00:12:50 <czr>  /scratchbox/sbin/sbox_adduser
Nov 27 00:12:50 <jumpula> should do a new release, but want to have other stuff in it too.
Nov 27 00:12:53 <czr> is that ok?
Nov 27 00:12:56 <jumpula> yes
Nov 27 00:13:01 <jumpula> that's the real one
Nov 27 00:13:03 <czr> ok. good.
Nov 27 00:13:10 <czr> that's what I thought, but wasn't 100% sure.
Nov 27 00:13:10 <jumpula> there's readlink -f missing from the script
Nov 27 00:13:21 <czr> and it seems to work anyway :-)
Nov 27 00:13:27 <jumpula> the debian package contains symlinks and scripts get confused about that
Nov 27 00:13:33 <czr> for a moment there I didn't even remember why I wanted your help :-)
Nov 27 00:13:34 <jjo_> come on, working all night?
Nov 27 00:13:35 <jumpula> when you try the symlink
Nov 27 00:13:45 <jumpula> jjo_: what about you? :)
Nov 27 00:13:49 <czr> jjo_, you not? :-)
Nov 27 00:13:55 <czr> what is WRONG with you? :-)
Nov 27 00:13:58 <jjo_> well, not working that's for sure
Nov 27 00:14:11 <czr> working during the day is crap because of the emails flying here and there
Nov 27 00:14:12 <bilboed> arrrgh, sloooow download :)
Nov 27 00:14:20 <jumpula> hm. i thought maemo is distant relation to work? :)
Nov 27 00:14:21 <czr> and bugzilla reports and such
Nov 27 00:14:35 <czr> jumpula, no no, "working" not "work" ;-)
Nov 27 00:14:35 <jumpula> yeah
Nov 27 00:14:38 <czr> you confused the words :-)
Nov 27 00:14:43 <jumpula> ah, true
Nov 27 00:14:46 <czr> as in "works properly"
Nov 27 00:15:03 <czr> jumpula, thanks for the ping though :-)
Nov 27 00:15:15 <GeneralAntilles> Should xterm bugs go in Applications or System software?
Nov 27 00:15:27 <GeneralAntilles> Those relating to the functionality of the app itself.
Nov 27 00:15:30 <jumpula> yeah. time like 2h 25min
Nov 27 00:15:48 <jumpula> i'd call that a lag
Nov 27 00:16:04 <czr> that's nothing :-)
Nov 27 00:16:36 <jumpula> "wait until you see my lag!"
Nov 27 00:16:54 <czr> neh. I'd call the delay between me reporting #95 and it getting fixed, a lag.
Nov 27 00:17:00 <czr> (it's not fixed yet :-)
Nov 27 00:17:04 <GeneralAntilles> System software (shoulda looked at the components :\)
Nov 27 00:18:11 <alterego> #95? Wasn't that the bug you reported whilst flying close to a Black Hole?
Nov 27 00:18:23 <czr> I always fly close to the black hole.
Nov 27 00:18:38 <bilboed> grmbl, I always forget the flasher instructions :(
Nov 27 00:18:44 <jumpula> funny things in the event horizon
Nov 27 00:19:31 <alterego> bilboed, ./flasher-3.0 -F ./path/to/image -f
Nov 27 00:19:37 <bilboed> cheers
Nov 27 00:19:46 <alterego> Then turn on your device holding down the home key.
Nov 27 00:20:12 <bilboed> or use -FR :)
Nov 27 00:20:48 <doc|work> man, my screen protector is scratched to shit, I wish boxwave would get their shit together :/
Nov 27 00:21:20 <kupesoft> no pand in os2008! WTF
Nov 27 00:21:27 <kupesoft> how to do ip over bluetooth tunneling?
Nov 27 00:26:00 * czr woots for chapter 02
Nov 27 00:26:17 <czr> except for '.. listing cur for brevity ..'
Nov 27 00:26:21 * czr wonders what cur means.
Nov 27 00:27:40 * alterego woops for amateur theme makers.
Nov 27 00:28:26 <GeneralAntilles> Anybody with OS2008 on an N800 want to test something for me?
Nov 27 00:28:46 <alterego> I'm seriously considering writing some groovy scripts to aid in theme creation. Unfortunately it involves me analyising the process manually .
Nov 27 00:29:06 <hexa> hi, any mirror for the flash images ? , i'm d/ling a 4k/sec :(
Nov 27 00:29:13 <hexa> (os2007)
Nov 27 00:29:16 <alterego> A process I like to call the "Identity Algorithm" (aka "Brute Force Strategy")
Nov 27 00:29:50 <alterego> hexa, http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3910524
Nov 27 00:30:05 <GeneralAntilles> 2007
Nov 27 00:30:09 <GeneralAntilles> Why 2007?
Nov 27 00:30:14 <alterego> Oh .. 2007
Nov 27 00:30:18 <alterego> He's probably unhappy with 2008
Nov 27 00:30:20 <czr> alterego, identity algorithm would be O(1), not O(very large *N*N*N*N) :-)
Nov 27 00:30:31 <alterego> :)
Nov 27 00:30:32 <hexa> I tought i'd wait for it to be a final release..
Nov 27 00:30:40 <hexa> just got my n800...
Nov 27 00:30:44 <hexa> is 2008 usable?
Nov 27 00:30:51 <bilboed> sweeeeeeeet :)
Nov 27 00:30:55 <bilboed> fasster :)
Nov 27 00:30:55 <alterego> It's perfectly usable :)
Nov 27 00:31:02 <GeneralAntilles> Most certainly
Nov 27 00:31:09 <hexa> :) I'll try that then
Nov 27 00:31:13 <GeneralAntilles> Minus a stupid bug with the thumbboard and xterm. :\
Nov 27 00:31:19 <alterego> It's just not all the apps are currently available.
Nov 27 00:31:26 <alterego> GeneralAntilles, double pasting?
Nov 27 00:31:39 <GeneralAntilles> Anything entered in the thumbboard appears twice in the prompt
Nov 27 00:31:43 <GeneralAntilles> so: top becomes toptop
Nov 27 00:31:47 <alterego> I think "dual insertion" is a feature in osso-xterm (nokia edition)
Nov 27 00:31:49 <hexa> hehe k
Nov 27 00:32:06 <GeneralAntilles> Which has got to be the dumbest bug on the planet.
Nov 27 00:32:14 <alterego> It is pretty dumb.
Nov 27 00:32:18 <bilboed> wow
Nov 27 00:32:19 <bilboed> WOW
Nov 27 00:32:24 <bilboed> even the browser is faster
Nov 27 00:32:37 <alterego> Yeah, it's all very nice.
Nov 27 00:32:48 <alterego> I get annoyed about browser start up times though ..
Nov 27 00:33:09 <alterego> Okay .. I just noticed a nice effect I'd not noticed before :)
Nov 27 00:33:51 * alterego thinks tapping on an app in the task navigator should minimize it and goto the home view.
Nov 27 00:34:10 <bilboed> check out the video :)
Nov 27 00:34:21 <alterego> The Video is a joke.
Nov 27 00:34:26 <GeneralAntilles> Time to open an enhancement bug, alterego. :)
Nov 27 00:34:31 <bilboed> quality-wise I meant :)
Nov 27 00:34:31 <alterego> It's just a crappy rehash of the N800 vid.
Nov 27 00:35:11 <|tbb|> anyone able to use a bt headset with n800 os8?
Nov 27 00:35:35 <alterego> GeneralAntilles, actually what it should _really_ do. Is switch back to whatever context you were at before you selected it. Kind of like the home hold feature but across all tasks.
Nov 27 00:36:27 <alterego> But you click on an item on a normal desktop and that happens. It just makes sense. And otherwise that entire icon in the task navigator is just wasting space doing nothing (except offering a kind of pointless tooltip)
Nov 27 00:37:40 <bilboed> X terminal by default ? :)
Nov 27 00:37:57 <alterego> bilboed, sweet isn't it ;)
Nov 27 00:38:09 <GeneralAntilles> Too bad it SUCKS so much compared to the old one! :P
Nov 27 00:38:17 <alterego> I like it.
Nov 27 00:38:31 <bilboed> baaah, bed time
Nov 27 00:38:36 <alterego> It does things the other didn't like you can tap and interact with programs like mutt and nano
Nov 27 00:38:52 <GeneralAntilles> I liked being able to tap cntrl on the sidebar and then a key in the keyboard to send the cntrl-signal. <_<
Nov 27 00:38:52 <alterego> I actually don't know that the other version didn't do that I never tried .. So I could be wrong ;)
Nov 27 00:38:59 <alterego> I just accidentally found out on OS2008 ^_^
Nov 27 00:39:07 <bilboed> SIP by default :)
Nov 27 00:39:14 <bilboed> I need to stop
Nov 27 00:39:25 <alterego> GeneralAntilles, yeah. That was a good feature they've for some (stupid) reason removed.
Nov 27 00:39:44 <alterego> I like the fact they've used windows instead of tabs ..
Nov 27 00:40:55 <GeneralAntilles> Opened a bug for thumbboard entry in xterm
Nov 27 00:42:58 <alterego> Someone else was complaining about that a while back.
Nov 27 00:43:03 <alterego> Not sure if it's already reported.
Nov 27 00:43:38 <alterego> (He was using N810 OS2008 on N800 so I think he was a bit paranoid
Nov 27 00:43:44 <GeneralAntilles> Didn't see it in search.
Nov 27 00:44:01 <doc|work> what's the alternative to that now?
Nov 27 00:44:51 <GeneralAntilles> I'm blaming timeless for recommending that I report N810 on N800 bugs. :D
Nov 27 00:46:11 <alterego> Heh
Nov 27 00:48:22 <GeneralAntilles> What's the guidlines for Target Milestone?
Nov 27 00:48:35 <GeneralAntilles> What're*
Nov 27 00:49:36 <K`zan> What is the command to flash 2008 on the n800?
Nov 27 00:50:21 <K`zan> On Linux
Nov 27 00:51:39 <K`zan> Also, is Nokia going to sic hordes of lawyers on me if I put the update on my web site?
Nov 27 00:51:55 <K`zan> ll
Nov 27 00:52:07 <GeneralAntilles> [7:19pm] <alterego>bilboed, ./flasher-3.0 -F ./path/to/image -f
Nov 27 00:52:21 <GeneralAntilles> Probably, K`zan. :P
Nov 27 00:52:25 <czr> K`zan, if they will, they won't tell you about it here. you'll know when the black ninjas will come.
Nov 27 00:52:26 <GeneralAntilles> The torrent is working well enough
Nov 27 00:52:31 <K`zan> Thankee Sir.
Nov 27 00:52:35 <GeneralAntilles> and tablets-dev will clear up soon enough.
Nov 27 00:52:45 <K`zan> Getting tired of supporting organizations with more lawyers than engineers :-(.
Nov 27 00:52:55 <K`zan> tablets-dev ?
Nov 27 00:52:57 <_Monkey> somebody said tablets-dev was an akamai site
Nov 27 00:53:14 <GeneralAntilles> The server hosting the firmware image files.
Nov 27 00:55:22 <GeneralAntilles> Opened a bug for the Control-prompt in xterm closing the vkb
Nov 27 00:57:06 <K`zan> Anyone loudly complaining about problems with 2008 on the n800 before I scrap my whole 2007 install?
Nov 27 00:57:15 <K`zan> Wish I could back it up in toto just in case...
Nov 27 00:57:25 <K`zan> Start upload then turn n800 off, turn on while holding home key as before?
Nov 27 00:57:55 <GeneralAntilles> Turn it off.
Nov 27 00:57:58 <GeneralAntilles> Start the flasher
Nov 27 00:58:00 <GeneralAntilles> plug it in
Nov 27 00:58:10 <GeneralAntilles> (USB)
Nov 27 00:58:30 <GeneralAntilles> turn it on while holding home key (press and hold the home key, press the powerkey)
Nov 27 00:59:05 <GeneralAntilles> timelyx, still here?
Nov 27 00:59:28 <Mmm810> Hmm so i guess no password manager ported to os2008 yet or am I missing it
Nov 27 00:59:55 <soothsayer> Does anyone have (or can make) a good hash (e.g. SHA, Whirpool) of RX-34_2008SE_1.2007.44-4_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin?
Nov 27 01:00:36 <K`zan> GeneralAntilles: Put it in a note file this time, thanks.
Nov 27 01:00:52 <GeneralAntilles> You'll know it by heart soon enough. ;)
Nov 27 01:01:04 <alterego> soothsayer, 900353c77fc7357a8a6a40b0b9483c2c
Nov 27 01:01:17 <K`zan> md5 is : 900353c77fc7357a8a6a40b0b9483c2c  RX-34_2008SE_1.2007.44-4_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin
Nov 27 01:01:39 <alterego> Well .. Ours match up :D
Nov 27 01:01:48 <K`zan> :-)
Nov 27 01:01:53 <K`zan> GOOD! LOL!
Nov 27 01:01:58 <soothsayer> I want something better than MD5
Nov 27 01:02:08 <soothsayer> I have the MD5SUM file
Nov 27 01:02:19 <K`zan> Best U got, sorry,
Nov 27 01:02:20 <alterego> soothsayer, well that's all you're getting from ys.
Nov 27 01:02:31 <alterego> Why don't you trust MD5?
Nov 27 01:02:32 <K`zan> Sheez, next week I learn to type.
Nov 27 01:02:38 <soothsayer> alterego: It's pretty weak
Nov 27 01:02:47 <alterego> pfft.
Nov 27 01:02:52 <soothsayer> alterego: Has been widely abandoned as secure.
Nov 27 01:02:59 <alterego> By who?
Nov 27 01:03:10 <K`zan> Then, if md5 from everyone isn't good enough, do your own and verify it :-).
Nov 27 01:03:13 <alterego> Everywhere I look it's still MD5 .. I've not come across anything else ..
Nov 27 01:03:24 <soothsayer> alterego: NIST for one
Nov 27 01:03:29 <K`zan> sha is out there, but not on any machine I have...
Nov 27 01:03:34 <alterego> What's NIST?
Nov 27 01:03:44 <alterego> Oh, national instit sci tech
Nov 27 01:03:47 <alterego> 8114ccc8404cf8e57e33edec311c85abddc6a5e255dad7581e5369b5e7345dc9eac5aafc36b049a7ade623909cfa17956c14177dc09e26b91ccda43cf65aa714  /home/tom/Desktop/RX-34_2008SE_1.2007.44-4_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin
Nov 27 01:03:50 <K`zan> Impotant gov body :)
Nov 27 01:03:51 <alterego> There's your sha512
Nov 27 01:04:04 <GeneralAntilles> Secure?
Nov 27 01:04:09 <GeneralAntilles> You're not encrypting passwords
Nov 27 01:04:15 <GeneralAntilles> you're checking file integrity. :\
Nov 27 01:04:22 <alterego> GeneralAntilles, yeah .. I don't know what his problem is.
Nov 27 01:04:23 <soothsayer> GeneralAntilles: I'm downloading from an untrusted source.
Nov 27 01:04:39 <GeneralAntilles> You don't understand what these checksums do, do you?
Nov 27 01:04:44 <alterego> soothsayer, take your sha512sum and use that :P
Nov 27 01:04:45 <K`zan> LOL
Nov 27 01:04:50 <GeneralAntilles> This has NOTHING to do with security. . . .
Nov 27 01:04:52 <soothsayer> MD5 is good for detecting non-malicious corruption
Nov 27 01:04:58 <soothsayer> GeneralAntilles: Yes it does.
Nov 27 01:05:11 * alterego chuckles.
Nov 27 01:05:24 <K`zan> Strangely, the md5 works :)
Nov 27 01:05:26 <alterego> There are plenty of people here that will vouch for the image.
Nov 27 01:05:35 <soothsayer> alterego: What image?
Nov 27 01:05:36 <_Monkey> image is downloadable?
Nov 27 01:05:37 <alterego> I've also just pasted the sha512sum
Nov 27 01:05:38 <GeneralAntilles> Yes, like some super hacker is jumping into the bittorrent stream to upload his l33t hacked image that is going to brick your device. :\
Nov 27 01:05:54 <alterego> soothsayer, presumable the one you downloaded via bittorrent.
Nov 27 01:06:12 <K`zan> Ah, duhhh, I stand corrected, I have a whole pile of sha things...
Nov 27 01:06:19 <alterego> s/presumable/presumably/
Nov 27 01:06:19 <infobot> alterego meant: soothsayer, presumably the one you downloaded via bittorrent.
Nov 27 01:06:25 <soothsayer> alterego: The hash you generated was from the torrent download?
Nov 27 01:06:39 <alterego> soothsayer, no. It was from the Nokia downoad
Nov 27 01:06:46 <alterego> I didn't use bittorrent.
Nov 27 01:06:52 <K`zan> Was thinking it would be nice if they posted the md5 rather than the size on the website
Nov 27 01:07:11 <K`zan> Brick this beast over a bad download, I would NOT be happy.
Nov 27 01:07:31 <soothsayer> alterego: Thanks for sha512
Nov 27 01:07:31 <K`zan> Is there any point in doing a backup from 2007 before re-flashing?
Nov 27 01:07:34 <alterego> If you're scared of bricking, don't flash the bootloader.
Nov 27 01:07:55 <K`zan> soothsayer: FWIW, alterego's sha512 matches mine.
Nov 27 01:07:58 <alterego> If you're not scared of bricking flash /dev/urandom.
Nov 27 01:08:17 <alterego> K`zan, you downloaded it via bittorrent though.
Nov 27 01:08:19 <K`zan> I ain't scared of nothin!
Nov 27 01:08:36 <alterego> I was the original seed (honest) and I corrupted the image to install a viruz on it.
Nov 27 01:08:36 <K`zan> alterego: But you didn't, right?
Nov 27 01:08:38 <soothsayer> K`zan: Thanks, but if you downloaded from bittorrent it defeats the purpose.
Nov 27 01:08:53 <alterego> K`zan, not if they match it doesn't.
Nov 27 01:08:55 <K`zan> I just know you did :)
Nov 27 01:09:05 <K`zan> Gads, the doomsayers...
Nov 27 01:09:07 <soothsayer> K`zan: Although thanks, having someone to confirm would be nice.
Nov 27 01:09:12 <GeneralAntilles> Make a backup, K`zan.
Nov 27 01:09:21 <GeneralAntilles> Actually, you could test something for me in the process.
Nov 27 01:09:25 <K`zan> THe one in the menu?  or dd something?
Nov 27 01:09:36 <GeneralAntilles> Open up control panel, hit the navigation item and move something around in the Applications menu.
Nov 27 01:09:48 <alterego> I actually didn't even seed on the torrent. I was going to but then people were complaining about getting too faster download speeds. So I didn't bother and just carried on with my themes.
Nov 27 01:09:55 <K`zan> I can do that on 2007, couldn't often in 2008 for the n810...
Nov 27 01:10:28 <K`zan> GeneralAntilles: ---^^^
Nov 27 01:10:39 <GeneralAntilles> Do what?
Nov 27 01:10:40 <_Monkey> Do is probably click the Find button on the toolbar, Components, and then uncheck Flash)
Nov 27 01:10:44 <GeneralAntilles> Make backups or organize the menu?
Nov 27 01:11:16 <GeneralAntilles> Either way: TEST MAH BUG!
Nov 27 01:11:20 <GeneralAntilles> :P
Nov 27 01:11:20 <K`zan> that == drag an app to another folder - no problem on 2007.  Out of 150 drags and drops on 2008 for the 810, it might work once.
Nov 27 01:11:29 <alterego> Okay, from now on I'll train Monkey out of channel :)
Nov 27 01:11:45 <alterego> If I knew you could do it via priv msg I would have always done it like that :)
Nov 27 01:11:49 <GeneralAntilles> It works fine for me.
Nov 27 01:11:50 <K`zan> GeneralAntilles: It WORKS on 2007 Sir!
Nov 27 01:11:55 <GeneralAntilles> OK, good
Nov 27 01:11:58 <GeneralAntilles> now make a backup.
Nov 27 01:12:29 <alterego> K`zan, try dropping it on the actual icon of the directory.
Nov 27 01:12:31 <alterego> Or text ..
Nov 27 01:12:33 <GeneralAntilles> Some bots are per-channel, so I can't blame you alterego. ;)
Nov 27 01:12:34 <K`zan> Backing up to removable.
Nov 27 01:12:46 <K`zan> alterego: Tried ALL that :-).
Nov 27 01:13:00 <alterego> Weird .. I don't have that problem.
Nov 27 01:13:03 <K`zan> On text and on icon - rarely did it work.
Nov 27 01:13:47 <K`zan> VERY rarely - but NOTE that was with 2008 for the n810, so I don't know about 2008 for the n800, will get a chance to do that tonight :-).
Nov 27 01:13:48 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, I'm dragging stuff around right now and it works GREAT! :P
Nov 27 01:13:59 <GeneralAntilles> It worked fine on the N810 firmware, too.
Nov 27 01:14:07 <K`zan> GeneralAntilles: OK, backed up, now what?
Nov 27 01:14:18 <GeneralAntilles> Turn it off and flash away!
Nov 27 01:14:20 <K`zan> Not here it didn't :-(
Nov 27 01:14:32 <K`zan> GULP, Okdokee.
Nov 27 01:14:45 <K`zan> Sheez, 15M backup.
Nov 27 01:14:56 <GeneralAntilles> Mostly PDF manuals. ;)
Nov 27 01:15:10 <K`zan> GeneralAntilles: Deleted all but US one of those...
Nov 27 01:15:18 <K`zan> Installed too much crap I guess :).
Nov 27 01:15:20 <GeneralAntilles> (I need to turn this rig off at some point to install my new drives and drop the old ones in mah new enclosure :D)
Nov 27 01:15:33 <GeneralAntilles> Maybe the video/song(s), then.
Nov 27 01:15:36 <K`zan> Charger out too IIRC.
Nov 27 01:15:42 <GeneralAntilles> Good.
Nov 27 01:16:16 <K`zan> ./flasher-3.0 -F RX-34_2008SE_1.2007.44-4_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f
Nov 27 01:16:19 <K`zan> ww
Nov 27 01:17:45 <K`zan> Oops?!??!?
Nov 27 01:17:56 <K`zan> GeneralAntilles: /join #vmmst
Nov 27 01:19:31 <alterego> PDF, video and audio take ~40M
Nov 27 01:20:03 <alterego> I've been storing only the EN_GB PDF on my memory cards. So everytime I reflash I can delete every file under MyDocs
Nov 27 01:21:33 * czr woots
Nov 27 01:21:37 <czr> 0.4 is now ready.
Nov 27 01:21:52 <alterego> That and I like to keep archives of stuff like that ..
Nov 27 01:21:55 <czr> which means that maybe sometime in the near future (this week maybe), I'll be done with this .. interesting stuff.
Nov 27 01:22:06 <alterego> Heh
Nov 27 01:22:08 * czr celebrates by line-dancing naked
Nov 27 01:22:14 <alterego> Nice.
Nov 27 01:22:31 * alterego takes photo's and sends them to Santa ("You know what he needs for Christmas")
Nov 27 01:22:32 <czr> oddly enough, the package got smaller again :-)
Nov 27 01:22:39 <alterego> Hahah
Nov 27 01:22:49 <czr> was 3.5 MiB. is 3.3 MiB :-)
Nov 27 01:22:52 <alterego> Wonder how that happened ;)
Nov 27 01:23:11 <czr> replaced some more content with "lorem ipsum", no one reads it anyway, and it compressed far better
Nov 27 01:23:21 <alterego> Hah
Nov 27 01:23:33 <alterego> I thought you were throwing chunks of it out of the window ;)
Nov 27 01:23:47 <czr> neh. basically replaced some more screenshots with 4.0 stuff
Nov 27 01:24:05 <czr> the old ones didn't use the highly effective picture processing pipeline (*cough*)
Nov 27 01:24:18 <czr> the new ones end up being smaller in size.
Nov 27 01:24:41 <czr> anyhow, sleepytime for me
Nov 27 01:24:45 <czr> night alterego, night others too
Nov 27 01:25:06 <K`zan> Night czr rest well!
Nov 27 01:25:30 <czr> it's 3:25 AM here, so yes, I plan to :-)
Nov 27 01:25:38 <K`zan> Found my backup files (from 2007) and wants so restore?!?
Nov 27 01:25:49 <alterego> g'night czr
Nov 27 01:25:50 <K`zan> 1725 here :), got hours to play yet :-)
Nov 27 01:26:03 <czr> oh me too. on about 6 hours :-)
Nov 27 01:26:06 <czr> in even..
Nov 27 01:26:21 <alterego> I'm gonna hit the hay soon. As soon as I've finished writing these notes.
Nov 27 01:26:33 <K`zan> Lets see what happens if I let it restore, have NONE of the same apps installed...
Nov 27 01:26:56 <K`zan> czr: Hope to get to checking everything out while installing the sdk tonight if not tomorrow.
Nov 27 01:28:21 <alterego> My first theming task is to completely customise the home screen.
Nov 27 01:28:28 <K`zan> Seems to be restoring intelligently so far...
Nov 27 01:28:42 <alterego> Which actually includes making apps look nice when they're not fullscreened ..
Nov 27 01:29:12 <alterego> Think I'll write a couple of helper scripts now before I go to bed actually.
Nov 27 01:29:25 <K`zan> :-)
Nov 27 01:29:40 <GeneralAntilles> Just cant' stop, can you alterego. :P
Nov 27 01:29:52 <alterego> If I stopped I'd just be bored :P
Nov 27 01:30:08 <zerojay> alterego: Maemo Ruby doesn't have any mp3 libraries with it, does it?
Nov 27 01:30:09 <alterego> Whilst I have the motivation I best get as much done as possible too ;)
Nov 27 01:30:10 <K`zan> Heaven forbid :-)
Nov 27 01:30:28 <alterego> zerojay, no. What were you looking for tag reading?
Nov 27 01:30:33 <zerojay> Yep.
Nov 27 01:30:43 <alterego> Would you like me to make a package for you?
Nov 27 01:30:49 <K`zan> Do understand the motivation part though.
Nov 27 01:30:52 <zerojay> I'm thinking about trying out an alternate way of doing last.fm scrobbling of tracks.
Nov 27 01:31:00 <zerojay> That would work with Media Player and others.
Nov 27 01:31:04 <zerojay> Without needing them to support it.
Nov 27 01:31:10 <zerojay> alterego: If you have the time.
Nov 27 01:31:35 <alterego> zerojay, if you find a Ruby MP3 lib that suits you. I'll package it and stick it in the ruby-maemo deb repository.
Nov 27 01:31:47 <zerojay> alterego: Okay, I'll let you know when I do.
Nov 27 01:32:15 <alterego> I've got loads of extensions I want to do .. RMagick for one.
Nov 27 01:32:48 <alterego> zerojay, Any extensions you want done just ask and I'll do them for you ;)
Nov 27 01:33:31 <K`zan> First thing I am going to try to port is jpilot...
Nov 27 01:33:54 <zerojay> I figure that if you do "lsof | grep mp3" and then check the program running the mp3 and see if it's known... then get the tags for the mp3 being played. If you poll once every ten seconds and you've polled past what would be the midpoint of the song, submit it.
Nov 27 01:34:25 <alterego> Ooo, interesting.
Nov 27 01:34:36 <zerojay> That way, even Media Player tracks can be scrobbled.
Nov 27 01:34:47 <K`zan> Then I won't have to lug the Z31 and the n800 :)
Nov 27 01:35:07 * alterego wonders what jpilot is.
Nov 27 01:35:14 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, me too.
Nov 27 01:35:24 <zerojay> It's a cell phone app, I believe.
Nov 27 01:35:24 <alterego> Oh, is that the aviator app?
Nov 27 01:35:38 <alterego> Okay, I'm way off then :)
Nov 27 01:35:44 <zerojay> Downloading and syncing data, I think.
Nov 27 01:35:48 <GeneralAntilles> http://www.jpilot.org/ ?
Nov 27 01:35:53 <alterego> "Pilot" .. "Plane" ..
Nov 27 01:35:57 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe
Nov 27 01:36:00 <zerojay> That would be the one.
Nov 27 01:36:09 <alterego> Well, I knew it was a palm I didn't realise you had to have special syncing softare :P
Nov 27 01:36:18 <K`zan> Great, no FBReader for 2008 :-(
Nov 27 01:36:24 <GeneralAntilles> Check the site. ;)
Nov 27 01:36:30 <zerojay> alterego: http://ruby-mp3info.rubyforge.org/
Nov 27 01:36:34 <zerojay> Might work.
Nov 27 01:36:36 <K`zan> I want it more for the organizer than anything else.
Nov 27 01:36:44 <GeneralAntilles> Will it work under the Garnet emulator, K`zan?
Nov 27 01:37:11 <K`zan> Dunno, I thought I had FBReader for 2008 before, searching.
Nov 27 01:37:36 <alterego> zerojay, that API is ugly ..
Nov 27 01:37:44 <zerojay> Yeah, it looks like it. :)
Nov 27 01:37:50 <zerojay> I'll keep looking.
Nov 27 01:37:55 <alterego> "hastag1?" O_o
Nov 27 01:38:04 <GeneralAntilles> http://www.fbreader.org/maemo/maemo4.php
Nov 27 01:38:05 <alterego> The ruby way would be "tag1?"
Nov 27 01:38:24 <GeneralAntilles> Also, K`zan: http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php?lang=en&system=maemo4
Nov 27 01:38:41 <zerojay> alterego: This looks good.. http://raa.ruby-lang.org/project/id3lib-ruby/
Nov 27 01:40:10 <zerojay> Ah.. requires id3lib as well.
Nov 27 01:40:30 <alterego> Which I think is installed in maemo.
Nov 27 01:40:33 <alterego> That's a good one :)
Nov 27 01:40:41 <zerojay> Hmmm.. :)
Nov 27 01:40:47 <alterego> zerojay, yeah. That one okay?
Nov 27 01:41:01 <alterego> Looks like exactly what you're after. And it binds with a maemo library :)
Nov 27 01:41:14 <zerojay> Any way to run ruby apps as daemon + control panel (like Maemoscrobbler?)
Nov 27 01:41:48 <alterego> I've not tested control panel applets yet.
Nov 27 01:42:18 <alterego> Erm. your best bet is write multiple apps and have them communicate via osso
Nov 27 01:43:38 <alterego> Control panel applets should really only be about configuring an app. Most of which should be done in gconf which your app should auto detect and act accordingly. So there's another method.
Nov 27 01:43:50 <alterego> Saves wrestling with osso/dbus.
Nov 27 01:45:02 <K`zan> http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/games/  --- memcache handler: Failed to connect to localhost:11211.
Nov 27 01:45:28 <alterego> K`zan, don't expect maemo.org to work very well. Try again later ;)
Nov 27 01:45:33 <K`zan> rr
Nov 27 01:45:46 <K`zan> Is there a point to claws mail over the built in?
Nov 27 01:46:02 <alterego> The built in is sh*t
Nov 27 01:46:20 <alterego> Though, I've not used claws so I can't comment on whether that's an improvement or not :)
Nov 27 01:47:35 <K`zan> OK, built in is OK for now :-)
Nov 27 01:47:55 <K`zan> Thanks!
Nov 27 01:48:11 <K`zan> Hope someone ports that FM radio applet soon....
Nov 27 01:48:11 <halley> flasher-3.0 for linux doesn't seem to work on osxintel, is there a better osxintel choice for n810?
Nov 27 01:49:16 <halley> Anyone have the -19 version ROM?  It estimates 7hrs download.
Nov 27 01:49:22 <GeneralAntilles> 770Flasher?
Nov 27 01:49:47 <GeneralAntilles> You on an N810?
Nov 27 01:49:52 <halley> Yeah.
Nov 27 01:50:10 <alterego> Jeez, there's a lot of bitching on gnome mobile :/
Nov 27 01:50:24 <halley> Trying to do the gainroot shuffle.
Nov 27 01:50:25 <alterego> planet.maemo.org about gnome mobile (Jeff someone)
Nov 27 01:50:51 <alterego> There wasn't really any point in reading it now. It's all rubbish since the last read :/
Nov 27 01:50:56 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
Nov 27 01:52:42 <alterego> Well, I'd like to say theming is easier in OS2008 but it kind of feels the same :)
Nov 27 01:52:50 <alterego> Of not more complicated from some of the transparency stuff.
Nov 27 01:52:54 <alterego> s/Of/If
Nov 27 01:53:39 <K`zan> No ssh for 2008 yet, gurgle.....
Nov 27 01:53:51 <alterego> K`zan, yes there is.
Nov 27 01:53:57 <alterego> K`zan, enable the extras repository.
Nov 27 01:53:59 <GeneralAntilles> openssh is in Extras
Nov 27 01:54:07 <K`zan> Oh Goodie! Thanks!
Nov 27 01:54:18 <K`zan> No life without ssh :)
Nov 27 01:56:18 <kupesoft> Flashed the new os2008, but where's pand?
Nov 27 01:56:27 <kupesoft> (bluetooth over ip tunnelling)
Nov 27 01:58:47 <K`zan> Wonder if a BT headset will work with the SIP clients(s)?
Nov 27 01:59:20 <procto> K`zan: if you have any luck with it let me know
Nov 27 01:59:21 <procto> I haven't
Nov 27 01:59:26 <procto> had any
Nov 27 02:00:05 <K`zan> I tried it here on 2007 with no luck either - those things really are problematical with linux :-(.
Nov 27 02:00:30 <alterego> Meh, bedtime. Goodnight folks.
Nov 27 02:00:36 <halley> The 'sudo gainroot' step gives an error: cal_read_block(r&d_mode): size zero, block not found?
Nov 27 02:01:12 <halley> I've mounted the usb and saw the usb symbol on boot, etc.
Nov 27 02:01:27 <K`zan> Dinnertime, bbl.
Nov 27 02:01:57 <|R> procto : on OS 2008 ?
Nov 27 02:02:37 <procto> OS2007
Nov 27 02:02:37 <_Monkey> rumour has it OS2007 is soon to be obsolete, replaced by OS2008 on the N800 and N810
Nov 27 02:02:44 <zerojay> Someone on ITT said that they had gotten it to work on 2008.
Nov 27 02:02:56 <procto> orly?
Nov 27 02:02:56 <_Monkey> rumour has it orly is Ya rly
Nov 27 02:02:57 <|R> yeah, it's supposed to be supported
Nov 27 02:03:01 <zerojay> _Monkey forget OS2007
Nov 27 02:03:02 <_Monkey> zerojay: I forgot os2007
Nov 27 02:03:08 <zerojay> _Monkey forget orly?
Nov 27 02:03:09 <_Monkey> zerojay: I forgot orly
Nov 27 02:03:14 <GeneralAntilles> Bluetooth with SIP works perfectly over here.
Nov 27 02:03:19 <procto> _Monkey is an infobot?
Nov 27 02:03:26 <zerojay> procto: Yes.
Nov 27 02:03:28 <|R> i hope, i called a blueant V12 :)
Nov 27 02:03:31 <zerojay> The most annoying kind.
Nov 27 02:03:38 <|R> haha
Nov 27 02:03:52 <zerojay> GeneralAntilles: Mono or stereo?
Nov 27 02:04:04 <GeneralAntilles> Mono
Nov 27 02:04:05 <|R> there is a2dp support commented out in a default config too
Nov 27 02:04:08 <GeneralAntilles> don't have a stereo set
Nov 27 02:04:12 <|R> (from what i heard)
Nov 27 02:04:19 <GeneralAntilles> A2DP is, apparently, "coming".
Nov 27 02:04:35 <|R> because there wasn't DSP support and it would suck to much battery.. but it's there or something ;)
Nov 27 02:04:37 <GeneralAntilles> The pickup button even works to answer.
Nov 27 02:04:53 <zerojay> Wish they would fix the Skype package.
Nov 27 02:07:35 <GeneralAntilles> I need some room on my desk to stick the N800 with this bluetooth keyboard, but there just isn't any. <_<
Nov 27 02:08:58 <zerojay> Why is it that Estonia has SkypeIn, but not Canada yet?
Nov 27 02:09:29 <halley> Ah, second try on enable-rd-mode seems to have worked.
Nov 27 02:09:53 <GeneralAntilles> Because Canada sucks, duh. :P
Nov 27 02:10:01 <zerojay> pffffffft. :)
Nov 27 02:10:47 <l7> why doesn't canada suck?
Nov 27 02:11:04 <derf> Because it blows.
Nov 27 02:11:05 <l7> i rather like canada or  at least the idea of it
Nov 27 02:11:21 <|R> the idea of it?
Nov 27 02:11:35 <zerojay> The reality of it is quite nice too.
Nov 27 02:12:17 <l7> canada seems like a snowy alternative to the US
Nov 27 02:12:25 <l7> like a cold beer
Nov 27 02:12:58 <zerojay> Canada's like the US's more relaxed and polite brother.
Nov 27 02:13:19 <|R> and better beer ;)
Nov 27 02:13:42 <derf> Beer is only better cold when it has no taste.
Nov 27 02:14:13 <|R> as explained in the bud commercials haha :)
Nov 27 02:14:47 <l7> yeah relaxed and polite sounds good
Nov 27 02:14:52 <l7> less gun violence
Nov 27 02:14:58 <l7> maybe less road rage?
Nov 27 02:15:11 <zerojay> I was in the US for five years. It was nice.. but there's a feeling that life down there is somewhat warped.
Nov 27 02:15:21 <l7> what did you notice?
Nov 27 02:15:46 <zerojay> Well, religion is such a huge deal down there. People are "warriors for God", for example.
Nov 27 02:15:56 <l7> it's hard to notice certain things when you've been in one place too long
Nov 27 02:16:07 <l7> oh yeah, that's the republicans
Nov 27 02:16:12 <zerojay> In Canada, there's religion here too.... a freaking church every other block it seems, but no one feels the need to convert or force you to theirs.
Nov 27 02:16:15 <elb> holy crap, ignorance
Nov 27 02:16:26 <zerojay> No, I wouldn't say that's a republican thing.
Nov 27 02:16:30 <deejoe> we are all individuals
Nov 27 02:16:31 <zerojay> That's a knee-jerk reaction.
Nov 27 02:16:35 <elb> yes, it is
Nov 27 02:16:51 <zerojay> I lived in a red state, so I knew plenty of those.
Nov 27 02:17:06 <zerojay> But you don't get people coming to your door trying to convert you in Canada.
Nov 27 02:17:07 <deejoe> where were you, zerojay?
Nov 27 02:17:13 <elb> really?
Nov 27 02:17:13 <zerojay> deejoe: Kentucky.
Nov 27 02:17:17 <deejoe> hahahaha
Nov 27 02:17:18 <|R> well, we still get mormons ;)
Nov 27 02:17:23 <elb> I've seen Mormons in every country I've been in
Nov 27 02:17:24 <|R> but maybe there a bit more rare :)
Nov 27 02:17:25 <deejoe> yeah, like *that's* typical
Nov 27 02:17:25 <zerojay> deejoe: Tell me about it. ;)
Nov 27 02:17:45 <elb> in fact, I saw *more* of them in Japan, a barely Christian country, than any other place I've lived
Nov 27 02:17:49 <GeneralAntilles> Kentucky is just  TOUCH backwater. :P
Nov 27 02:17:51 <deejoe> zerojay: you might want to dial back on the extrapolation, given that.
Nov 27 02:17:57 <derf> "Barely" is being generous.
Nov 27 02:18:20 <zerojay> I think entertainment's dulled the senses of the general public to the point that most of them just don't care what their country is really doing... or don't care enough to do something about it.
Nov 27 02:18:36 <zerojay> Or maybe just aren't sure what to do.
Nov 27 02:18:37 <l7> i get the feeling people here are more aggro, whether it's in the kentucky or the big cities
Nov 27 02:18:37 <elb> in fact, I also was in Australia for only four days, and saw two different groups of Mormons
Nov 27 02:18:49 <l7> if you can generalize anything about a country this big
Nov 27 02:18:56 <deejoe> where in KY, zerojay?  I have a friend in Lexington, I lived near Henderson, know someone from Possum Trot (<-- no, seriously)
Nov 27 02:19:06 <elb> one of them tried to convert me, then found out I was American, and lost interest ;-)
Nov 27 02:19:14 <zerojay> deejoe: I was in Lagrange.
Nov 27 02:19:30 <soothsayer> Did anybody have trouble with dpkg --(get|set)-packages to backup/restore packages when going from 2007 to 2008?
Nov 27 02:20:00 <zerojay> The people in the US are generally really good people that are willing to help you with anything, if they aren't afraid of you, anyways.
Nov 27 02:20:11 <deejoe> google maps seems not to know it, zerojay
Nov 27 02:20:29 <elb> that's also a generalization, zerojay :-)
Nov 27 02:20:31 <deejoe> soothsayer: interesting question.
Nov 27 02:20:33 <elb> probably from being in Kentucky
Nov 27 02:20:45 <elb> there are plenty of places in the US where people would just as soon step on your face, as help you
Nov 27 02:20:54 <l7> zerojay: people aren't that open in canada?
Nov 27 02:20:56 <elb> but, I agree, the average location in the US is quite friendly
Nov 27 02:21:28 <zerojay> l7: They are even more so in Canada. My wife kept on laughing about the fact that people were just coming up to her and talking to her... people she didn't know whatsoever.
Nov 27 02:21:44 <|R> zerojay : have you been to other provinces in canada? (as we both are in quebec, it's a bit skewed ;)
Nov 27 02:21:50 <l7> yeah that's a big unusual compared to the US
Nov 27 02:22:06 <elb> again, that depends on location
Nov 27 02:22:12 <zerojay> deejoe: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=La+grange,+Kentucky&ie=UTF8&z=13&iwloc=addr&om=1
Nov 27 02:22:17 <elb> in the rural midwest, it happens a LOT
Nov 27 02:22:22 <elb> especially old dudes
Nov 27 02:22:40 <zerojay> |R: I've been to parts of Ontario and some of the maritimes.
Nov 27 02:22:47 <|R> ok :)
Nov 27 02:22:51 <|R> i haven't :(
Nov 27 02:23:18 <halley> Okay, how does one add repositories for pulling other packages in app manager?
Nov 27 02:23:38 <elb> heh lagrange is less than 100 miles from where I grew up
Nov 27 02:23:46 <GeneralAntilles> http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php?lang=en&system=maemo4
Nov 27 02:23:46 <zerojay> elb: Where's that?
Nov 27 02:23:48 <elb> (but I was in OH)
Nov 27 02:23:52 <GeneralAntilles> Just use that, halley.
Nov 27 02:23:55 <elb> just north of Cincy
Nov 27 02:23:55 <zerojay> Cincy?
Nov 27 02:24:06 <elb> Middletown, OH
Nov 27 02:24:33 <zerojay> I never did get to check out Cincy much... closest I've been to really being there was spending a day or so at the Newport Aquarium.
Nov 27 02:24:37 <halley> GeneralAntilles, found something like it; I think I'll tinyurl it first.
Nov 27 02:24:50 <elb> I don't particularly care for Cincy
Nov 27 02:24:54 <elb> I mean, it's all right, but nothing special
Nov 27 02:24:57 <halley> GeneralAntilles, if that's the best site, thanks.
Nov 27 02:25:07 <elb> word up halley
Nov 27 02:25:21 * halley waves.
Nov 27 02:25:33 <zerojay> I think the best thing about Cincy was that it usually signaled the fact that my 25 hour bus rides down to Louisville were nearly over.
Nov 27 02:25:55 <halley> http://tinyurl.com/2tqc6q
Nov 27 02:26:09 <soothsayer> What doesn't the 'backup tool' backup that I should be backing up?
Nov 27 02:26:24 <soothsayer> (Besides sources.list)
Nov 27 02:26:31 <zerojay> Might not backup GPE stuff.. at least some people have said that.
Nov 27 02:26:38 <zerojay> Actually, it does back that up now.
Nov 27 02:27:26 <zerojay> rdesktop.. is it client and server or just client?
Nov 27 02:28:35 <soothsayer> zerojay: I imagine just the client.
Nov 27 02:29:02 <soothsayer> Is there even an rdesktop server for Linux?
Nov 27 02:31:39 <derf> soothsayer: It doesn't back up the contents of your home directory.
Nov 27 02:32:03 <derf> Just the stuff in MyDocs (I think).
Nov 27 02:32:13 <soothsayer> derf: Thanks
Nov 27 02:32:29 <gnuite> Are any devs here developing for both OS2006/2007 _and_ OS2008?
Nov 27 02:33:11 <gnuite> Perhaps a better question is, "Are any devs here?" :)
Nov 27 02:33:22 <GeneralAntilles> Well, hello, gnuite. I was just going to complain that there wasn't an official port of maemo mapper for OS2008. :P
Nov 27 02:34:01 <derf> gnuite: I will be after you work out all the problems for me.
Nov 27 02:34:37 <soothsayer> What does 'flasher -k zImage -f' do?
Nov 27 02:35:02 <srwalter> is the source to the wireless connection manager not available?
Nov 27 02:35:02 <zerojay> Flashes the kernel only to the tablet.
Nov 27 02:35:08 <gnuite> Yeah, well, I'm trying to work on it, but juggling OS2006 and OS2007 in the same scratchbox was hard enough, which is why I went to great lengths to keep my single codebase both OS2006- and OS2007-compatible.  Why did they have to go and make OS2008 binary-incompatible?  Grumble...
Nov 27 02:35:19 <soothsayer> zerojay: In what instance would I do that?
Nov 27 02:35:30 <GeneralAntilles> It'll be better in the long run. :)
Nov 27 02:35:32 <derf> gnuite: Progress!
Nov 27 02:35:32 <_Monkey> i think progress is incredible
Nov 27 02:35:39 <GeneralAntilles> Just look at the 5-minute Transmission port.
Nov 27 02:35:40 <zerojay> If you wanted to update the kernel.
Nov 27 02:36:15 <halley> Okay, just adding "Maemo Chinook" and "Maemo Extras" for now.  Any other must-haves?  I want python.
Nov 27 02:36:16 <zerojay> soothsayer: I assume you are wanting to update to the 2008 beta for N800?
Nov 27 02:36:24 <gnuite> Oh, I have no doubt that OS2008 is better.  I cursed the gtk 2.6 choice in OS2006/2007 - so many great things in gtk 2.10 that I wanted to be able to use....
Nov 27 02:36:37 <GeneralAntilles> maemo bora, halley.
Nov 27 02:36:42 <derf> Not to mention the half-implemented dbus libs...
Nov 27 02:37:03 <soothsayer> zerojay: I have the non-beta and want to upgrade to that, but was looking at instructions for the beta and can't make sense of them
Nov 27 02:37:06 <derf> (the glib bindings for which are totally broken)
Nov 27 02:37:13 <zerojay> soothsayer: There is no non-beta.
Nov 27 02:37:22 <halley> GeneralAntilles, thanks.
Nov 27 02:37:29 <gnuite> derf: dbus-glib works fine for Maemo Mapper.
Nov 27 02:37:33 <soothsayer> zerojay: Alright, the beta then.
Nov 27 02:37:33 <halley> Bora is N800?
Nov 27 02:37:55 <zerojay> soothsayer: You should be able to flash it with just the regular Nokia flasher programs. Are you using Linux?
Nov 27 02:38:02 <GeneralAntilles> Bora is OS2007
Nov 27 02:38:02 <soothsayer> zerojay: Yup
Nov 27 02:38:15 <gnuite> Mixing non-glib with dbus-glib was a hazard, though.  libgpsbt kept borking my entire dbus connection.
Nov 27 02:38:41 <soothsayer> zerojay: So no need to use the '-k,-n,-r' flags?
Nov 27 02:39:09 <zerojay> soothsayer: That was only done with the N810 firmware when attempting to flash to the N800.
Nov 27 02:39:14 <zerojay> soothsayer: ./flasher-3.0 -F RX-34_2007SE_4.2007.38-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R
Nov 27 02:39:15 <derf> gnuite: Try adding signal handlers.
Nov 27 02:39:21 <zerojay> soothsayer: Use that, replace the filename.
Nov 27 02:39:31 <soothsayer> zerojay: Okay thanks
Nov 27 02:39:49 <zerojay> soothsayer: Let us know if you have any problems.
Nov 27 02:39:59 <derf> There are a bunch of NULL pointer exceptions that get triggered because no one had obviously ever run the code before.
Nov 27 02:39:59 <gnuite> derf: Ah... I haven't tried dbus handlers with dbus-glib... Glad I didn't. :)
Nov 27 02:40:24 <derf> That was in fact the only thing I wanted to do with it.
Nov 27 02:40:50 <soothsayer> One last question. Does anyone have a solution to how to, as automatically as possible, restore applications? Just getting dropbear-server installed is painful.
Nov 27 02:40:51 <derf> I wound up using just enough of the bindings to get it into the glib main loop, and doing everything else directly with dbus.
Nov 27 02:41:10 <zerojay> Damn.. 205 users. X_x
Nov 27 02:41:20 <GeneralAntilles> That we'll have from OS2008 forward, soothsayer.
Nov 27 02:41:29 <GeneralAntilles> OpenSSH is in Chinook Extras
Nov 27 02:41:31 <GeneralAntilles> so it's not a problem.
Nov 27 02:41:34 <doc|home> zerojay: it probably helps that skype are based in estonia (or were) :)
Nov 27 02:41:41 <doc|home> anyone got the torrent link?
Nov 27 02:41:45 <GeneralAntilles> Wonder if that thread from yesterday helped at all, zerojay. :)
Nov 27 02:41:47 * doc|home ponders being adventurous
Nov 27 02:42:01 <soothsayer> GeneralAntilles: Do I need to add a repo manually?
Nov 27 02:42:03 <zerojay> GeneralAntilles: I'd imagine it had.
Nov 27 02:42:08 <doc|home> or is the official server usable again?
Nov 27 02:42:12 <srwalter> is the source to the wireless connection manager not available?
Nov 27 02:42:12 <GeneralAntilles> http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3910524
Nov 27 02:42:14 <zerojay> doc|home: Ah, didn't know that.
Nov 27 02:42:31 <GeneralAntilles> I'm going to end up pasting that link a hundred thousand times before the night is over. :\
Nov 27 02:42:37 <zerojay> Hah.
Nov 27 02:42:46 <doc|home> thanks GeneralAntilles
Nov 27 02:42:47 <GeneralAntilles> Just uncheck disabled, soothsayer.
Nov 27 02:42:51 <doc|home> GeneralAntilles: you could optic it
Nov 27 02:42:53 <soothsayer> Why not put it in the topic?
Nov 27 02:43:03 <doc|home> or topic is another idea
Nov 27 02:43:04 <soothsayer> GeneralAntilles: Thanks
Nov 27 02:43:10 <doc|home> way better than optic :/
Nov 27 02:43:14 <zerojay> I was able to pull it down at about 1MB/sec earlier today.. kind of shocked to see so many people struggling to get it.
Nov 27 02:43:22 <zerojay> If I had known, I would have thrown it on Jablet.
Nov 27 02:43:30 <halley> GeneralAntilles, is that torrent the same file as N810?  Different filename than I found.
Nov 27 02:43:41 <GeneralAntilles> It's the N800 beta
Nov 27 02:43:46 <GeneralAntilles> Not for N810.
Nov 27 02:44:00 <zerojay> More advanced, more N800 specific bug fixes, apparently.
Nov 27 02:44:03 <halley> Anyone have a torrent for the N810?  Their server is giving me 5hrs download.
Nov 27 02:44:17 <GeneralAntilles> I'd just wait until tomorrow, halley.
Nov 27 02:44:26 <GeneralAntilles> -19 isn't much of an upgrade over -18, anyway.
Nov 27 02:44:36 <zerojay> No, it's not.
Nov 27 02:44:38 <halley> Yeah, that's what I'm expecting.
Nov 27 02:44:40 <GeneralAntilles> timeless said that there's no difference in packages, so who knows.
Nov 27 02:45:03 <doc|home> anyone got links on how to flash this thing under linux? I'm expecting maemo.org to suck too given earlier performance
Nov 27 02:45:38 <doc|home> w00t, 550K
Nov 27 02:45:54 <doc|home> 3 mins to completion :)
Nov 27 02:46:13 <GeneralAntilles> [7:52pm] <GeneralAntilles>[7:19pm] <alterego>bilboed, ./flasher-3.0 -F ./path/to/image -f
Nov 27 02:46:18 <GeneralAntilles> as root
Nov 27 02:46:18 <zerojay> http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux
Nov 27 02:46:31 <doc|home> thanks zerojay
Nov 27 02:47:15 <zerojay> np, but it amounts to what GA just posted.
Nov 27 02:47:23 <halley> openssh installing...
Nov 27 02:47:30 <doc|home> aye, but I'd have to have flasher first :)
Nov 27 02:48:36 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
Nov 27 02:48:41 <GeneralAntilles> How in the world can you not have that? :P
Nov 27 02:49:31 <halley> Is it just me, or is it weird that a device with a webcam would ship with no webcam app?
Nov 27 02:49:36 <doc|home> because I only bought my n800 last wednesday :)
Nov 27 02:49:58 <srwalter> they want to community to contribute it :)
Nov 27 02:49:58 <doc|home> halley: personally I think the whole concept of webcams is weird :)
Nov 27 02:50:07 <GeneralAntilles> I agree, doc|home.
Nov 27 02:50:09 <doc|home> there are webcam apps already
Nov 27 02:50:11 <GeneralAntilles> and I see. :)
Nov 27 02:50:12 <srwalter> personally, I want to contribute TTLS/PAP support.  but without the source, that's hard.
Nov 27 02:50:22 <halley> doc|home, a name?
Nov 27 02:50:36 <doc|home> halley: erm, sorry, I can't remember :/
Nov 27 02:50:48 <halley> It's weird, sure, but I'm thinking more of like "Photo Booth" on a mac.
Nov 27 02:50:55 <halley> Just a snapshot maker.
Nov 27 02:51:11 <GeneralAntilles> Camera, but I don't think it's been ported to OS2008.
Nov 27 02:51:26 * doc|home has wet pants :o
Nov 27 02:51:27 <doc|home> stupid rain
Nov 27 02:51:28 <halley> These repo installers are dependency-aware like regular apt-get, right?
Nov 27 02:51:38 <GeneralAntilles> The rain scared you silly? :P
Nov 27 02:51:55 <doc|home> halley: yep, but you have to have repos for dependencies (obviously) :)
Nov 27 02:52:07 <halley> Sure.
Nov 27 02:53:33 <doc|home> GeneralAntilles: no, that was the snow :(
Nov 27 02:53:35 <doc|home> it's somewhat disconcerting that such things as Fiasco images exist :|
Nov 27 02:54:09 <halley> I walked through the "sudo ; passwd user ; echo>>sudoers ; passwd -l root" shuffle, but it said App Manager will be goofed up by this if I don't cache a sudo.  Anyone fixing App Manager to do a sudo gui passwd?
Nov 27 02:58:47 <halley> Oh, the sample videos and music songs didn't seem to play on stock N810 either.
Nov 27 02:59:26 <zerojay> I'm kind of surprised no one's started a tablet podcast yet.
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