**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Nov 29 02:59:56 2007
Nov 29 03:11:42 <nooknook> i know the 800 and 810 are same resolution, does anyone know if the screen actually measures the same size? i assume so...
Nov 29 03:20:31 <captlloyd> I think it is very very close
Nov 29 03:20:40 <captlloyd> But as I don't have both, I cannot say
Nov 29 03:22:18 <GeneralAntilles> They're the same
Nov 29 03:22:24 <GeneralAntilles> The N810 is just transflective.
Nov 29 03:22:49 <pumpkingod> I'm getting a few errors like: ./client: /lib/libm.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.0' not found (required by /usr/local/lib/libpbc.so.0)
Nov 29 03:22:59 <pumpkingod> anyone have any suggestions on what to do about it?
Nov 29 03:23:10 <pumpkingod> I have glib on the n800, and the same binary works fine in scratchbox
Nov 29 03:26:18 <nooknook> okay thank you
Nov 29 03:26:33 <zerojay> Any python devs around?
Nov 29 03:37:31 <truls> zerojay: what kinda dev?
Nov 29 03:40:07 * truls doesn't develop python... but atleast uses python some times
Nov 29 03:40:39 <zerojay> Someone that can help me figure out why pyid3lib tells me that songlen doesn't exist when I attempt to get it from the id3 tags of an mp3.
Nov 29 03:45:18 <pumpkingod> how can I make sure my n800 matches my maemo environment?
Nov 29 03:45:19 <truls> does it exist? and does the lib check v1 or v2 tags?
Nov 29 03:45:45 <zerojay> Yes and both.
Nov 29 03:46:56 <truls> does the same code work on desktop?
Nov 29 04:02:10 <MagicFab> Is there a OS2008 version of the OTR plugin for Pidgin ?
Nov 29 04:05:46 <GeneralAntilles> It's right in the Application Manager. :\
Nov 29 04:17:36 <Pauliukas> Can IT2008 run on a 770?
Nov 29 04:18:18 <K`zan_800> Pauliukas: Don't think so, at least not yet.
Nov 29 04:18:32 <K`zan_800> Anyone doing dev around?
Nov 29 04:18:56 <K`zan_800> Xephyr was installed but can't find it in scratchbox :-(.
Nov 29 04:19:43 <GeneralAntilles> No, Pauliukas.
Nov 29 04:19:51 <GeneralAntilles> I'm betting on late January for an OS2008HE
Nov 29 04:20:09 <K`zan_800> Xephyr :2 -host-cursor -screen 800x480x16 -dpi 96 -ac  -extension Composite
Nov 29 04:20:09 <K`zan_800> bash: Xephyr: command not found
Nov 29 04:20:09 <K`zan_800> [sbox-CHINOOK_X86: ~/first] >
Nov 29 04:20:26 <GeneralAntilles> You did it wrong.
Nov 29 04:20:26 <truls> K`zan_800: you don't run it from scratchbox
Nov 29 04:20:36 <K`zan_800> Ah, ok, thanks.
Nov 29 04:20:50 <K`zan_800> Lemme go re-read that again.
Nov 29 04:20:57 <Pauliukas> What the heck is Chinook?
Nov 29 04:20:57 <_Monkey> Chinook is, like, the tag name for OS2008
Nov 29 04:21:02 <Pauliukas> oh
Nov 29 04:21:09 <truls> heh
Nov 29 04:21:13 <Pauliukas> Is _Monkey a bot?
Nov 29 04:21:20 <K`zan_800> Ah, duhhh :)  Watch the prompts :)
Nov 29 04:21:32 <captlloyd> What is the Internet?
Nov 29 04:21:33 <_Monkey> i guess the Internet is in a loop? :-)
Nov 29 04:21:47 <captlloyd> The Internet is a series of tubes.
Nov 29 04:21:47 <Pauliukas> And how's developmetn for OS 2007 for the 770 going?
Nov 29 04:21:54 <Pauliukas> I feel like doing something new with my 770.
Nov 29 04:22:00 <Pauliukas> And I hate the opera crashes.
Nov 29 04:22:02 <GeneralAntilles> There's nothing new.
Nov 29 04:22:06 <GeneralAntilles> OS2007 is dead.
Nov 29 04:22:09 <Pauliukas> hah
Nov 29 04:22:17 <captlloyd> What is the Internet?
Nov 29 04:22:18 <_Monkey> the Internet is in a loop? :-)
Nov 29 04:22:22 <captlloyd> hmm
Nov 29 04:22:25 <Pauliukas> Well I hope that 2008 can be ported to the 770.
Nov 29 04:22:33 <GeneralAntilles> They're working on it.
Nov 29 04:22:37 <Pauliukas> I'd hate to see that Nokia is enforcing a strict updating thing.
Nov 29 04:22:45 <Pauliukas> I don't feel like buying a new device every year.
Nov 29 04:22:48 <GeneralAntilles> They aren't
Nov 29 04:22:54 <GeneralAntilles> but the 770 was really a dead-end from the start.
Nov 29 04:22:55 <Pauliukas> Good. They better not.
Nov 29 04:22:58 <Pauliukas> :-(
Nov 29 04:23:06 <GeneralAntilles> It's not really a consumer oriented device.
Nov 29 04:23:25 <GeneralAntilles> They're intentions were to sell it exclusively to the geek crowd.
Nov 29 04:23:34 <Pauliukas> Right. And I love that idea.
Nov 29 04:23:45 <GeneralAntilles> The N800 will have updates through at least OS2009
Nov 29 04:23:54 <Pauliukas> And 770?
Nov 29 04:24:07 <GeneralAntilles> If they can get OS2008 on there, it will get OS2008
Nov 29 04:24:17 <GeneralAntilles> I'll guarantee it wont have the horsepower for OS2009, though.
Nov 29 04:25:05 <GeneralAntilles> Personally, I don't have a problem with dropping 400-500 a year for new NITs.
Nov 29 04:25:10 <Pauliukas> Well, I think that in 2009, it'll be time to upgrade.
Nov 29 04:25:10 <GeneralAntilles> (minus the N810, which isn't actually new)
Nov 29 04:25:28 <Pauliukas> I bought my 770 just this summer, heh.
Nov 29 04:25:35 <Pauliukas> But it's been amazing so far.
Nov 29 04:25:55 <GeneralAntilles> Oops
Nov 29 04:26:03 <Pauliukas> I look at is as a laptop. It's fast, it has the internet, I can multitask and I carry it all around with me.
Nov 29 04:26:08 <MagicFab> GeneralAntilles, thanks. Not obvious when I don't have the device yet :)
Nov 29 04:26:13 <Pauliukas> I've even had people approach me and ask what it is.
Nov 29 04:26:31 <Pauliukas> Personally, for me, it's an iPhone killer. (Because I'm not interested in cellphone functionality)
Nov 29 04:26:44 <GeneralAntilles> It's basically a ridiculously small laptop, yes.
Nov 29 04:26:57 <GeneralAntilles> But the 770 is two years old now.
Nov 29 04:27:02 <GeneralAntilles> You kinda got in at the EOL. :)
Nov 29 04:27:34 <Pauliukas> I thought that the whole open source thing would kind-of eliminate a said EOL.
Nov 29 04:27:45 <Pauliukas> You know how much geeks hate throwing out old stuff.
Nov 29 04:27:54 <GeneralAntilles> Maybe if we didn't have so much binary stuff floating around.
Nov 29 04:28:00 <Pauliukas> sigh.
Nov 29 04:28:22 <GeneralAntilles> and, honestly, a 256MHz ARM core can only carry you so far. ;)
Nov 29 04:28:41 <Pauliukas> I don't need it to be a speed daemon.
Nov 29 04:28:50 <GeneralAntilles> It's not like the device will stop being usable if Nokia stops releasing updates.
Nov 29 04:29:10 <K`zan> Well, apparently the sdk works :-).  Rather than have to do all that again I just suspended the VM.
Nov 29 04:29:29 <Pauliukas> GeneralAntilles: Well, no, but...
Nov 29 04:29:37 <Pauliukas> You don't get that new OS feel anymore.
Nov 29 04:30:24 <GeneralAntilles> Meh, the software has already pretty much outstripped the hardware there.
Nov 29 04:30:29 <GeneralAntilles> It's only gonna get worse.
Nov 29 04:30:32 <MagicFab> GeneralAntilles, can you check what version of pidgin-otr is present in OS2008 ?
Nov 29 04:30:39 <MagicFab> (please)
Nov 29 04:31:05 <Pauliukas> GeneralAntilles: I originally gotten the 770 because I wanted to have Internet on the go
Nov 29 04:31:11 <Pauliukas> My other option was Opera on the DS.
Nov 29 04:31:13 <GeneralAntilles> Sorry for the attitude earlier, MagicFab (I assumed you had it in front of you and were just being stupid :P).
Nov 29 04:31:22 <Pauliukas> But that thing takes about 3 minutes to render the Slashdot page.
Nov 29 04:31:39 <Pauliukas> I would have been happy with something that would have taken 30 seconds to render a page.
Nov 29 04:31:40 <GeneralAntilles> 3.1.0-1nix0, MagicFab.
Nov 29 04:32:07 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, the 770 is a great device.
Nov 29 04:32:14 <GeneralAntilles> Bought my first one in November 2005.
Nov 29 04:32:21 <GeneralAntilles> Bought a second when they hit woot during the summer.
Nov 29 04:32:26 <GeneralAntilles> Got an N800 now.
Nov 29 04:33:12 <pumpkingod> my n800 keeps forgetting the date
Nov 29 04:33:14 <pumpkingod> I reset it
Nov 29 04:33:20 <pumpkingod> and then after a restart it forgets it again
Nov 29 04:33:22 <pumpkingod> :(
Nov 29 04:34:55 <GeneralAntilles> That's weird
Nov 29 04:34:59 <GeneralAntilles> Never had that happen to me.
Nov 29 04:35:55 <Pauliukas> Maybe it has an internal battery for keeping time of date?
Nov 29 04:36:11 <GeneralAntilles> Sure, the big one. ;)
Nov 29 04:36:35 <GeneralAntilles> Wish it had NTP built-in.
Nov 29 04:38:51 <Pauliukas> I've removed the big battery on several occasions and it didn't lost track of the time.
Nov 29 04:39:05 <Pauliukas> Maybe it has a capacitor that can retain the thing for a few minutes...
Nov 29 04:39:13 <GeneralAntilles> That would be my guess.
Nov 29 04:39:19 <GeneralAntilles> Because there are no internal batteries.
Nov 29 04:39:41 <Pauliukas> Did anyone dissect the 770 or 800?
Nov 29 04:39:42 <sciboy> Is there a torrent tracker for maemo? Already encoded video and such.
Nov 29 04:39:58 <Pauliukas> Any photo galleries for that out of curiosity.
Nov 29 04:40:05 <GeneralAntilles> Ha . . . no, sciboy.
Nov 29 04:40:06 <Pauliukas> sciboy: That'd be a splendid idea but I don't think so.
Nov 29 04:40:16 <GeneralAntilles> Install mediaserv or something.
Nov 29 04:40:24 <K`zan> Pauliukas: I've heard that there are videos on utube showing that, but I haven't checked - mine it too new for that :).
Nov 29 04:40:40 <GeneralAntilles> I've seen them for both
Nov 29 04:40:42 <GeneralAntilles> they're out there
Nov 29 04:40:47 <GeneralAntilles> I don't recall where, though.
Nov 29 04:41:34 <Pauliukas> http://picasaweb.google.com/thoughtfix/N800Opening
Nov 29 04:41:51 <Pauliukas> http://picasaweb.google.com/thoughtfix/770Disassembly
Nov 29 04:42:55 <Pauliukas> I've always wondered where the wifi antenna was located
Nov 29 04:44:50 <GeneralAntilles> If anybody need a keyboard: http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/igbtkb.jpg
Nov 29 04:45:22 <Pauliukas> http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=dywlV40L3rA
Nov 29 04:45:35 <Pauliukas> I'm surprised. It doesn't look smoother than my 770.
Nov 29 04:45:41 <Pauliukas> Yet, it has a way faster chip in it.
Nov 29 04:45:50 <Pauliukas> GeneralAntilles: 404
Nov 29 04:46:02 <GeneralAntilles> I should learn to type. ;)
Nov 29 04:46:07 <GeneralAntilles> http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/igobtkb.jpg
Nov 29 04:46:32 <Pauliukas> Wow. Looks sexah.
Nov 29 04:46:39 <sciboy> Pauliukas, Yeah, now there's a decent torrent tracker it'd be great to be able to distributed CC stuff for direct use on the device.
Nov 29 04:46:42 <Pauliukas> How much are these keyboards like that these days?
Nov 29 04:46:46 <sciboy> torrent application*
Nov 29 04:46:57 <GeneralAntilles> Amazon.com had them for $30USD
Nov 29 04:47:03 <GeneralAntilles> I picked mine up last Friday
Nov 29 04:47:05 <GeneralAntilles> They're probably still up.
Nov 29 04:47:14 <Pauliukas> sciboy: Yeah, and I wish there were podcasts which distributed videos in that format too.
Nov 29 04:47:22 <Pauliukas> GeneralAntilles: Amazon is great, but I'm in Canada.
Nov 29 04:47:29 <Pauliukas> The Canadian amazon only sells books and CDs.
Nov 29 04:47:35 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
Nov 29 04:47:37 <Pauliukas> And usually, electronics are way more expensive than US.
Nov 29 04:47:39 <GeneralAntilles> Sucks for yoooouuuuu!
Nov 29 04:47:48 <Pauliukas> I know it does.
Nov 29 04:48:00 <Pauliukas> I was looking at bluetooth keyboards in local stores.
Nov 29 04:48:07 <Pauliukas> They run like around 120 to 200 dollars.
Nov 29 04:48:13 <straind> Is that a Palm related keyboard?
Nov 29 04:48:26 <GeneralAntilles> No
Nov 29 04:48:49 <sciboy> Gosh BT keyboards are pricey.
Nov 29 04:48:58 <GeneralAntilles> http://www.amazon.com/Stowaway-Ultra-Slim-Bluetooth-Blackberry-Handhelds/dp/B0002OKCXE/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=wireless&qid=1196311731&sr=8-1
Nov 29 04:49:02 <GeneralAntilles> Well, it WAS $30
Nov 29 04:49:07 <straind> There's a Palm Shortcut on the Ctrl key.
Nov 29 04:49:17 <GeneralAntilles> It's made to work with Palms
Nov 29 04:49:21 <GeneralAntilles> but it's not a Palm keyboard
Nov 29 04:49:30 <GeneralAntilles> it's just a generic bluetooth keyboard.
Nov 29 04:51:42 <sciboy> I <3 Blender
Nov 29 04:51:51 <Pauliukas> Is it actually good?
Nov 29 04:51:56 <Pauliukas> Compared to 3dsm and Maya.
Nov 29 04:52:19 <astro76> GeneralAntilles, guess it's over, it was still 29.99 earlier... glad I got mine ;)
Nov 29 04:52:36 * Pauliukas envies the US
Nov 29 04:52:37 <GeneralAntilles> Blender sucks compared to Cinema 4D.
Nov 29 04:52:44 * GeneralAntilles <3's the US. :P
Nov 29 04:52:54 <sciboy> Pauliukas, I'm not into comparisons, but it works well.
Nov 29 04:53:30 <sciboy> Pauliukas, I'd be interested to see if we could get the game engine running under Maemo.
Nov 29 04:53:42 <Pauliukas> Hah. I don't think so.
Nov 29 04:53:49 <Pauliukas> Isn't Blender a 3D thing too?
Nov 29 04:53:56 <sciboy> Yep, OpenGL.
Nov 29 04:54:03 <Pauliukas> Don't tell me that the 810 has a graphic accelerator chip in it...
Nov 29 04:54:10 <sciboy> No it doesn't.
Nov 29 04:54:13 <GeneralAntilles> The N800 does, too.
Nov 29 04:54:24 <sciboy> Actually it does, but we don't have a driver.
Nov 29 04:54:34 <Pauliukas> Wow... You're kidding me.
Nov 29 04:54:34 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
Nov 29 04:54:40 <Pauliukas> So wait, what's the use then?
Nov 29 04:54:40 <GeneralAntilles> Mr. Misinformation. :P
Nov 29 04:54:45 <GeneralAntilles> There isn't one.
Nov 29 04:54:45 <Pauliukas> An accelerator without use?
Nov 29 04:54:50 <Pauliukas> Nokia loves to waste money?
Nov 29 04:54:55 <GeneralAntilles> There's also a hot-ass video decoder in there
Nov 29 04:55:01 <Pauliukas> I can just imagine a bunch of swedish people round the table.
Nov 29 04:55:02 <GeneralAntilles> but no drivers for that, either.
Nov 29 04:55:11 <GeneralAntilles> Well, it's not really an added cost.
Nov 29 04:55:17 <Pauliukas> "And let's put a 3D graphicz accelrator chip in there for no reason at all"
Nov 29 04:55:26 <GeneralAntilles> The OMAP cores from TI come with them whether you want them or not (basically).
Nov 29 04:55:27 <Pauliukas> I have no idea why I'm imagining them with german accents, though.
Nov 29 04:55:34 <Pauliukas> Ah.
Nov 29 04:55:40 <GeneralAntilles> I don't know why they haven't given us drivers, though.
Nov 29 04:55:44 <Pauliukas> But I'm sure it's not as fast as a dedicated chip.
Nov 29 04:55:58 <GeneralAntilles> Although it MAY be related to the custom LCD controller they had to work up to get 800x480 in there.
Nov 29 04:56:15 <Pauliukas> Bahahaha: http://xkcd.com/349/
Nov 29 04:56:17 <GeneralAntilles> It'll play Quake 3 on the similarly equipped Axims.
Nov 29 04:56:31 <sciboy> Anyway that aside, the N800+ has hardware vfp, it should be able to handle software rendering without too many polygons flying around. (and maybe half-the-res)
Nov 29 04:57:19 <oil_> Pauliukas: where do you get the swedes to the picture?
Nov 29 04:57:51 <Pauliukas> oil_:  Nokia is swedish? I don't know.
Nov 29 04:57:55 <sciboy> Someone had it working on the 770 and mesa.
Nov 29 04:58:16 <oil_> Pauliukas: Ericksson is swdish. Nokia is Finnish.
Nov 29 04:58:29 <Pauliukas> Oh right. Stupid me.
Nov 29 04:59:05 <MagicFab> GeneralAntilles, many thanks (otr version)
Nov 29 04:59:24 <oil_> well. that's ok. anyway.. when blaiming nokia to being stupid.. it's good to put the blame on swedish ;-)
Nov 29 05:00:04 <sciboy> Pauliukas, Oh and I forgot to mention that there's a port for pocketpc. In any case I think the hardware can take it if someone did the tweaking of a build.
Nov 29 05:01:53 <Pauliukas> Ah.
Nov 29 05:04:45 <sciboy> That and I'm working on stuff in the game engine already, if there was a half-way working port I'd have something I could contribute to.
Nov 29 05:09:55 <Pauliukas> The internet tablet would be an amazing gaming devide.
Nov 29 05:09:58 <Pauliukas> *device
Nov 29 05:10:06 <Pauliukas> I'm sick of the DS. Such a waste of money.
Nov 29 05:11:43 * truls loves his DS as a japanese dictionary
Nov 29 05:11:56 <kulve> sciboy: sw rendering is *slow* on the device
Nov 29 05:12:02 <Pauliukas> But I'm not japanese.
Nov 29 05:12:12 <truls> it can actually read written kanji, which i can't input (well) on the n800
Nov 29 05:12:28 <truls> Pauliukas: neither am I.
Nov 29 05:12:33 <Pauliukas> lol
Nov 29 05:13:01 <sciboy> kulve, Software rendering is always slow
Nov 29 05:13:18 <kulve> sciboy: yeah, but you can render like 10 polygons with that device..
Nov 29 05:13:30 <sciboy> kulve, That's more than I could ever hope for.
Nov 29 05:13:42 <sciboy> kulve, What resolution are we talking?
Nov 29 05:13:52 <sciboy> kulve, 800x480 or 400x240?
Nov 29 05:14:29 <kulve> friend of mine was running a textured cube with vincent on the device, and it was 400x240 with pixel doubling
Nov 29 05:14:45 <GeneralAntilles> Pauliukas, really? Sick of the DS?
Nov 29 05:14:49 <sciboy> An entire cube? good frame rate?
Nov 29 05:14:49 <GeneralAntilles> I had been considering getting one
Nov 29 05:14:59 <kulve> I can't remember the exact rates, but it was 10-20 fps, iirc
Nov 29 05:14:59 <GeneralAntilles> seems like a lot of good games are available.
Nov 29 05:15:06 <sciboy> Cool!
Nov 29 05:15:32 <kulve> that was open gl es
Nov 29 05:15:35 <kulve> but now I'm off
Nov 29 05:15:42 * truls loved the castlevania on the DS
Nov 29 05:15:59 <Pauliukas> GeneralAntilles: Heck no!
Nov 29 05:16:02 <truls> and soon you'll have mario party
Nov 29 05:16:06 <Pauliukas> All the games are aimed at 12 year olds.
Nov 29 05:16:24 <Pauliukas> I'm _trying_ to playing Zelda right now and I can swear you that this thing makes children queer.
Nov 29 05:16:40 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
Nov 29 05:16:44 <GeneralAntilles> You have a Wii?
Nov 29 05:16:45 <Pauliukas> Most of the games are casual games. For me, that's just time wasting.
Nov 29 05:16:53 <Pauliukas> No. Same problem with the Wii. No good games.
Nov 29 05:16:57 <GeneralAntilles> Pfft
Nov 29 05:17:00 <Pauliukas> People with the Wii only mostly play Wii sports.
Nov 29 05:17:01 <truls> mario galaxy is fun
Nov 29 05:17:15 <sciboy> kulve, All I need is a few planes to do a 2D game.
Nov 29 05:17:17 <GeneralAntilles> Twilight Princess, Metroid, Mario Galaxy
Nov 29 05:17:26 <GeneralAntilles> I have a ton of fun at parties with Rayman and Wii Sports.
Nov 29 05:17:36 <GeneralAntilles> Smash will be along soon enough
Nov 29 05:17:40 <truls> woo, smash
Nov 29 05:17:44 <sciboy> Rayman is awesome.
Nov 29 05:17:49 <sciboy> Arm killer.
Nov 29 05:18:13 <GeneralAntilles> There are a bunch coming out right now that are supposed to be great (I need to hit up Target :\)
Nov 29 05:18:36 <GeneralAntilles> RE4 for Wii was a ton of fun.
Nov 29 05:19:18 <Pauliukas> GeneralAntilles: But the thing that annoys me the MOST
Nov 29 05:19:33 <Pauliukas> We're in 2007... And most of the DS games take no more than 8MB of space.
Nov 29 05:19:44 <Pauliukas> They use crappy sprites and MIDI music everywhere.
Nov 29 05:19:50 <Pauliukas> I mean, geez. Please
Nov 29 05:19:50 <sciboy> 30mhz
Nov 29 05:20:06 <Pauliukas> The DS has 2 processors. I think one 33 and the other 66
Nov 29 05:20:09 <Pauliukas> And 4MB of RAM.
Nov 29 05:20:28 <GeneralAntilles> Really, I want my 360 back from Microsoft.
Nov 29 05:20:40 <GeneralAntilles> Mass Effect is out and I can't even play it. :(
Nov 29 05:21:33 <Pauliukas> Wow. The game that I'm playing right now is utter rubbish.
Nov 29 05:21:51 <Pauliukas> The music is pathetic and what's up with that old-school RPG text dialog fetish.
Nov 29 05:22:11 <Pauliukas> In EVERY game out there they have these dialogs. And what they say is just nonsense too
Nov 29 05:22:13 <Pauliukas> "Hello"
Nov 29 05:22:15 <Pauliukas> "Hi"
Nov 29 05:22:20 <Pauliukas> "Shall we play a game?"
Nov 29 05:22:21 <Pauliukas> "Sure"
Nov 29 05:22:25 <Pauliukas> Rubbish!
Nov 29 05:22:48 <GeneralAntilles> Anybody ever get around to playing Elebits?
Nov 29 05:23:18 <Pauliukas> no
Nov 29 05:23:32 <GeneralAntilles> That stuff is unreal.
Nov 29 05:23:42 <GeneralAntilles> Probably the most immersive use of motion control so far.
Nov 29 05:23:50 <GeneralAntilles> Gameplay gets a little old after a while
Nov 29 05:23:57 <GeneralAntilles> so it's a rental
Nov 29 05:23:59 <GeneralAntilles> but damn
Nov 29 05:24:21 <Pauliukas> The DS game I'm on right now has a weird UI which changes every second.
Nov 29 05:24:24 <sciboy> How responsive is the controls?
Nov 29 05:24:29 <Pauliukas> Damn weird japanese people.
Nov 29 05:24:36 <GeneralAntilles> I was very impressed, sciboy.
Nov 29 05:24:46 <GeneralAntilles> It's not 100%
Nov 29 05:24:54 <GeneralAntilles> But once you get a feel for it you stop thinking about it.
Nov 29 05:25:04 <sciboy> Cool. =D
Nov 29 05:28:39 <K`zan> Where is that 2007 fmradio applet hidden?!?!
Nov 29 05:28:43 <GeneralAntilles> I hope Nokia will help out with the gaming side of the ITs in the future.
Nov 29 05:28:56 <GeneralAntilles> You on OS2007, K`zan?
Nov 29 05:29:12 <K`zan> No, but I got the sdk going and thought I'd see about porting it.
Nov 29 05:29:24 <GeneralAntilles> Bleh, good luck. :)
Nov 29 05:29:34 <GeneralAntilles> google it.
Nov 29 05:29:42 <K`zan> Something I rather enjoted having on 2007....
Nov 29 05:30:01 <K`zan> google on "fmradio" on google, sure, I'll try it.
Nov 29 05:30:04 <GeneralAntilles> It wont be more than 2 weeks before we have it.
Nov 29 05:30:08 <GeneralAntilles> Uh, no
Nov 29 05:30:15 <GeneralAntilles> google: maemo fm radio applet
Nov 29 05:30:20 <GeneralAntilles> or: n800 fm radio
Nov 29 05:30:22 <GeneralAntilles> Sheesh
Nov 29 05:30:35 <K`zan> Patience IS a virtue. Being PATIENT now... :-)
Nov 29 05:31:17 <K`zan> Thanks, google was less than useless for a change :).
Nov 29 05:32:07 <GeneralAntilles> Google is usually less than useless. ;)
Nov 29 05:32:10 <timelyx> K`zan: it's nokia code
Nov 29 05:32:21 <timelyx> afaik it isn't open source
Nov 29 05:32:28 <timelyx> it's not great code either
Nov 29 05:57:54 <lopz> re
Nov 29 06:29:38 <corevette> so how do i update my nokia 770, ijust got one
Nov 29 06:30:39 <GeneralAntilles> What are you on?
Nov 29 06:30:39 <|R> corevette : never had one but try the wiki on maemo.org :)
Nov 29 06:32:18 <corevette> also, it came with memory in two parts, they are attached to eachother, one says 64 mb and one says 2gig
Nov 29 06:42:34 <VimS> ô_Ô
Nov 29 06:42:46 <VimS> memory in 2 parts?
Nov 29 06:42:54 <VimS> one big one small ?
Nov 29 06:43:31 <VimS> http://www.mp4-mobile.eu/images/miniSD_2GB_Adapter.gif <- like this ?
Nov 29 06:46:25 <corevette> vims: it looks like one giant memory card but is split in two
Nov 29 06:46:26 <corevette> hold on
Nov 29 06:47:28 * |R is fed up with his random n800's sip problem :|
Nov 29 06:48:04 <GeneralAntilles> You have random N800s?
Nov 29 06:48:05 <GeneralAntilles> Wow.
Nov 29 06:48:16 <|R> hehe
Nov 29 06:48:30 <|R> i mostly have random english, but sometimes its the n800 :P
Nov 29 06:50:31 <corevette> vims: http://corevette.googlepages.com/SSPX0180.jpg
Nov 29 06:50:40 <corevette> http://corevette.googlepages.com/SSPX0179.jpg
Nov 29 06:50:43 <corevette> sorry for crappy images
Nov 29 06:52:04 <|R> weird card
Nov 29 06:52:06 <zuh> That's a reduced-size MMC and it's adapter. I guess the 2GB hints at the max size of an rs-MMC, dunno why it should be on the adapter though
Nov 29 06:52:21 <zuh> (the adapter makes it a normal-sized MMC)
Nov 29 06:52:24 <corevette> it says 2gb on the adapter
Nov 29 06:52:27 <corevette> i figured
Nov 29 06:53:19 <corevette> oh nevermind
Nov 29 06:53:20 <corevette> that's stupid
Nov 29 06:53:26 <corevette> the adapter says 2gb
Nov 29 06:53:30 <corevette> and the actual card says nothing
Nov 29 06:53:37 <corevette> so i figured it was just nothing on the card
Nov 29 06:53:42 <|R> http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=26714&promoid=1078 <- if anybody is looking for an n800 in .ca land ...
Nov 29 06:57:39 <tneurt> anyone have an address for ruby-dbus n800 build?
Nov 29 06:59:17 <GeneralAntilles> http://maemo.rubyx.co.uk/
Nov 29 06:59:54 <tneurt> thx
Nov 29 07:02:42 <tneurt> what pkg do i want for ruby-dbus? the devel one?
Nov 29 07:04:37 <corevette> how do you install 2007 hacked edition
Nov 29 07:05:13 <K`zan> timelyx: Thanks, I guess I'll wait for fmradio :-).
Nov 29 07:05:25 <GeneralAntilles> *Hacker Edition, corevette. . . .
Nov 29 07:05:33 <GeneralAntilles> and the same way you install any other firmware.
Nov 29 07:05:36 <GeneralAntilles> Flash it
Nov 29 07:05:36 <_Monkey> Firmware and associated utilities are available from http://tablets-dev.nokia.com
Nov 29 07:06:25 <GeneralAntilles> 1Wow
Nov 29 07:06:30 <GeneralAntilles> A useful answer.
Nov 29 07:10:08 <K`zan> Night folks!
Nov 29 07:12:38 <corevette> _monkey, it says the 770 cannot open bin images
Nov 29 07:12:39 <_Monkey> corevette: what?
Nov 29 07:15:18 <GeneralAntilles> Uh, corevette, you have to FLASH the device.
Nov 29 07:15:22 <GeneralAntilles> What platform are you on.
Nov 29 07:15:32 <GeneralAntilles> Also: _Monkey is a bot, so talking to him is a bad plan. :)
Nov 29 07:15:45 <corevette> generalantilles: a nokia 770, how do i flash it
Nov 29 07:16:07 <GeneralAntilles> Obviously I can tell what device you're using.
Nov 29 07:16:14 <GeneralAntilles> What COMPUTER platform are you on?
Nov 29 07:16:19 * sciboy <3's Blender
Nov 29 07:16:33 <corevette> generalantilles: vista + ubuntu
Nov 29 07:16:36 <corevette> either one
Nov 29 07:16:45 <GeneralAntilles> Ubuntu
Nov 29 07:16:46 <_Monkey> somebody said Ubuntu was alright
Nov 29 07:17:02 <GeneralAntilles> http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux
Nov 29 07:17:12 <GeneralAntilles> Basically, download the OS2007HE image to your computer
Nov 29 07:17:15 <pupnik> sidux?
Nov 29 07:17:16 <_Monkey> hmmm... sidux is a distro that tracks debian sid and catches problems/incompatibilities in an updater script.  Very fast/light livecd.  Very fast/clean install.  The less-annoying alternative to Ubuntu.  http://www.sidux.com
Nov 29 07:17:23 <GeneralAntilles> download the flasher to your computer
Nov 29 07:17:32 <corevette> generalantilles: is it easier on linux? i'm on windows right now and would be easier if there was a windows one
Nov 29 07:17:34 <GeneralAntilles> then run the flasher as root with the 770 plugged in and turned off
Nov 29 07:17:48 <GeneralAntilles> It's much more reliable on Linux
Nov 29 07:17:57 <GeneralAntilles> and I'm not even sure the flasher runs under Vista.
Nov 29 07:18:13 <GeneralAntilles> Though you could try.
Nov 29 07:18:19 <corevette> this link doesn't work http://tabletsdev.maemo.org/nokia_770/
Nov 29 07:19:25 <GeneralAntilles> http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/os2007_hacker_edition.php?f=SU-18_2007HACKER_4.2007.45-1_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin
Nov 29 07:21:00 <VimS> corevette: just one question: do you realy want hackerOS2007 on your 2007 ?
Nov 29 07:22:28 <GeneralAntilles> Yes.
Nov 29 07:22:28 <VimS> errr 770
Nov 29 07:23:47 <corevette> vims: yes
Nov 29 07:23:54 <corevette> vims why would i not
Nov 29 07:24:25 <VimS> well i've been using it for a while and basicly: it sucks ;)
Nov 29 07:24:36 <VimS> browser crashes often, device reboots
Nov 29 07:24:47 <VimS> and compared to os2006 its kind of slow
Nov 29 07:25:16 <GeneralAntilles> Interesting, I've used both extensively on two 770s.
Nov 29 07:25:22 <GeneralAntilles> and had exactly the opposite experience.
Nov 29 07:25:30 <GeneralAntilles> Did you ever install seatbelt, VimS?
Nov 29 07:25:33 <VimS> it was only after the latest he07 release that i flashed back to os06
Nov 29 07:25:40 <VimS> yes i did
Nov 29 07:26:18 <VimS> you are realy sayin that os07 isnt slow at all on your 770 ?
Nov 29 07:26:46 <GeneralAntilles> It's slow compared to my N800
Nov 29 07:26:50 <GeneralAntilles> but faster than 2006
Nov 29 07:27:34 <VimS> did you do anything other than install seatbelt ?
Nov 29 07:27:37 <tneurt> wow
Nov 29 07:28:31 * VimS is afk again
Nov 29 07:28:37 <tneurt> still looking for an n800 build of ruby-dbus.. anyone know of a site?
Nov 29 07:29:01 <GeneralAntilles> If it's not on alterego's site, it's not anywhere.
Nov 29 07:29:08 <GeneralAntilles> Maybe he rolled it into one of the other .debs?
Nov 29 07:29:25 <GeneralAntilles> The two 770s are my couch and nightstand browsers.
Nov 29 07:29:29 <GeneralAntilles> They work really well.
Nov 29 07:32:45 <corevette> generalantilles: do you think they will release os2008 HE?
Nov 29 07:32:59 <GeneralAntilles> That's the intention, yes.
Nov 29 07:33:15 <tneurt> yeah the only deb i cant get to work is the 'dev' one
Nov 29 07:33:17 <tneurt> heh
Nov 29 07:33:26 <GeneralAntilles> But it's really a question of man-hours.
Nov 29 07:33:43 <pupnik> "The Mythical Man-Month" - book
Nov 29 07:33:45 <GeneralAntilles> The HE stuff is basically a "sparetime" project for maemo.
Nov 29 07:33:59 <GeneralAntilles> Thanks, pupnik!
Nov 29 07:34:09 <GeneralAntilles> (You're becoming almost as random as _Monkey. :P)
Nov 29 07:34:21 <oil_> how does /etc/network/if-up.d/ work? I created and script called foo.sh to it, set the cdmo 755, but the script is not run when connecting to the wlan
Nov 29 07:37:22 <|R> good question..
Nov 29 07:38:05 <|R> # post-up /etc/network/if-up.d/foo.sh
Nov 29 07:38:19 <|R> to you /etc/network/interfaces maybe...
Nov 29 07:38:22 <|R> (from what i googled...)
Nov 29 07:38:29 <|R> without the # :)
Nov 29 07:39:15 <oil_> hmm. I'll try something like that
Nov 29 07:57:04 <tneurt> ruby-dbus where are you!?
Nov 29 08:06:09 <corevette> how do you change your sources.list on maemo
Nov 29 08:06:31 <pupnik> you can edit with application manager
Nov 29 08:06:36 <pupnik> or vi /etc/apt/sources.list
Nov 29 08:10:33 <corevette> gregale vs. mistral?
Nov 29 08:10:57 <oil_> the if-up.d did not work out. and also in the networks, there is no definition of wlan0
Nov 29 08:11:23 <oil_> s/networks/interfaces/
Nov 29 08:11:23 <infobot> oil_ meant: the if-up.d did not work out. and also in the interfaces, there is no definition of wlan0
Nov 29 08:16:15 <GeneralAntilles> Bora for OS2007, corevette.
Nov 29 08:19:24 <corevette> huh generalantilles?
Nov 29 08:19:25 <_Monkey> i think generalantilles is right. Using Jaffa's 770-encode
Nov 29 08:19:46 <GeneralAntilles> Hell yes!
Nov 29 08:19:52 <GeneralAntilles> But also irrelevant.
Nov 29 08:25:14 <timelyx> hrm, is there a /dev/video on the n800?
Nov 29 08:27:02 <pupnik> not that i know - also no /dev/dsp
Nov 29 08:27:30 <timelyx> pupnik: can i interest you in hacking some code?
Nov 29 08:27:47 <timelyx> one file, <2000 lines, all it needs is tlc (and v4l and ...)
Nov 29 08:27:54 <pupnik> hah
Nov 29 08:28:00 <pupnik> what is?
Nov 29 08:28:04 <timelyx> http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/revolutionlinux/source/trunk/libflashsupport/src/flashsupport.c
Nov 29 08:28:43 <timelyx> the first obvious bug is line 1486
Nov 29 08:28:51 * timelyx has no idea what the right answer is
Nov 29 08:29:36 <pupnik> i see
Nov 29 08:29:42 <timelyx> (there's also an OOM bug between 1483 and 1484 (failure to null check malloc)
Nov 29 08:30:28 <timelyx> there's also an error path from 1481/1522/1523
Nov 29 08:30:33 <timelyx> dereferencing null instance
Nov 29 08:30:46 <pupnik> include <linux/videodev.h>  <<- this is available for n800?
Nov 29 08:31:12 <timelyx> yes
Nov 29 08:31:14 <pupnik> i am havingk only 770 device for the using
Nov 29 08:31:17 <timelyx> here's an easy trick:
Nov 29 08:31:18 <timelyx> http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/source/videodev.h
Nov 29 08:31:23 <timelyx> click "find it elsewhere"
Nov 29 08:31:45 <pupnik> cool
Nov 29 08:31:47 <pupnik> nice
Nov 29 08:32:08 <timelyx> that's for people too lazy to type /find?string=videodev.h
Nov 29 08:32:20 <timelyx> note that /source/videodev.h is not really much shorter, and will fine you one click
Nov 29 08:32:41 <timelyx> anyway...
Nov 29 08:33:04 <timelyx> think that's enough to get you started? :)
Nov 29 08:33:28 <timelyx> http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/find?string=v4l
Nov 29 08:34:14 <pupnik> can you look at software that does use video camera?
Nov 29 08:34:18 <pupnik> source code
Nov 29 08:34:18 <_Monkey> source code is accesible?
Nov 29 08:34:27 <timelyx> _Monkey forget source code
Nov 29 08:34:28 <_Monkey> timelyx: I forgot source code
Nov 29 08:34:44 <timelyx> _Monkey source code is http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/
Nov 29 08:34:45 <_Monkey> OK, timelyx.
Nov 29 08:35:02 <timelyx> pupnik: the v4l link is "close enough" to that
Nov 29 08:35:31 <timelyx> man, that's annoying
Nov 29 08:35:42 <timelyx> my phone beeps at me every couple of minutes to tell me it's done charging
Nov 29 08:35:51 <pupnik> find person who knows how to use v4l and make them help you
Nov 29 08:36:01 <timelyx> sorry, they're busy :)
Nov 29 08:36:18 <timelyx> seriously, i'm already poking them to help me add <video> support to the browser
Nov 29 08:36:18 * czr peeks
Nov 29 08:36:28 <timelyx> and given a choice between <video> for browser and camera for flash
Nov 29 08:36:33 <pupnik> HELP TIMELYX
Nov 29 08:36:38 <timelyx> i'll take <video> for browser
Nov 29 08:36:49 <pupnik> hmm
Nov 29 08:36:49 * czr gives THEM a more effective pokes
Nov 29 08:36:55 <kupesoft> Is there a package for wireless-tools for the n800?
Nov 29 08:37:07 <kupesoft> os2008
Nov 29 08:37:08 <_Monkey> hmmm... os2008 is really fast
Nov 29 08:37:52 <vegai> hmm, could the n810s come to europe already?
Nov 29 08:37:55 <timelyx> _Monkey package search is http://www.gronmayer.com/it/
Nov 29 08:37:56 <_Monkey> OK, timelyx.
Nov 29 08:38:08 <timelyx> => kupesoft
Nov 29 08:38:28 <timelyx> vegai: patience is a virtue
Nov 29 08:38:50 <timelyx> _Monkey patience is also not to be found in this domain
Nov 29 08:38:50 <_Monkey> okay, timelyx.
Nov 29 08:39:00 <timelyx> patience!
Nov 29 08:39:01 <_Monkey> rumour has it patience is a virtue, patience is a virtue, patience is a virtue... or not to be found in this domain
Nov 29 08:39:15 <czr> timelyx, patients are gonna hurt you :-)
Nov 29 08:39:19 <czr> that's how I always hear it
Nov 29 08:40:59 <kupesoft> timelyx perfect, thanks
Nov 29 08:41:04 <vegai> but am I a virtuous man...
Nov 29 08:42:06 * timelyx gets cautious about topic space
Nov 29 08:42:12 * timelyx steals slashes
Nov 29 08:44:29 <czr> you could always tinyurl all of those!
Nov 29 08:44:40 <timelyx> then people wouldn't know what they're for
Nov 29 08:44:47 <timelyx> kinda defeats the point
Nov 29 08:44:56 <czr> or even better, make a page, which contains all of those urls, then tinyurl that, and then you have ultrasweet & short topic :-)
Nov 29 08:44:58 <timelyx> i could probably ask justdave for mxr.justdave.net
Nov 29 08:45:10 <czr> it's not like it's very obvious even now either
Nov 29 08:45:28 <timelyx> i claim irc log is moderately clear
Nov 29 08:45:29 <czr> "even now either" = meh. need coffee.
Nov 29 08:45:58 <czr> timelyx, 1/4 = not there yet :-)
Nov 29 08:46:10 <czr> the last link is ok too
Nov 29 08:46:32 <czr> so that's 50%. and since we're glass is full-people, that's good enough :-)
Nov 29 08:46:48 * timelyx rotfl
Nov 29 08:47:21 <timelyx> hey, we have descriptive text, so i claim 3/5 parts of the topic are helpful/obvious :)
Nov 29 08:48:32 <guardian> mornin maemo!
Nov 29 08:49:31 <czr> timelyx, i propose to change to "development platform for Nokia Internet Tablets (for the moments when you have Internet Headache) | ...
Nov 29 08:51:20 <timelyx> czr: we could probably do {text} | /msg _Monkey source reference | /msg _Monkey package search | /msg _Monkey irc log | /msg _Monkey n800 os2008 beta
Nov 29 08:52:02 <timelyx> it hides the links but arguably improves the readability....
Nov 29 08:54:12 * timelyx sighs
Nov 29 08:54:27 <timelyx> czr / Jaffa/ someone, i need a rubber chicken or wet trout in isle...
Nov 29 08:54:37 <timelyx> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1719#c2
Nov 29 08:54:55 <timelyx> maybe aisle
Nov 29 08:55:50 <keesj> timelyx: I don't understand the rubber thing
Nov 29 08:56:13 <timelyx> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_chicken ?
Nov 29 08:56:21 <keesj> the problem is keyboard related , entering passwords in other parts of maemo does not work either(gtalk stuff ) for example
Nov 29 08:56:48 <timelyx> keesj: right, and anyone can search for: keyboard password
Nov 29 08:56:51 <timelyx> and they'll find the right bug
Nov 29 08:56:54 <timelyx> but this guy didn't
Nov 29 08:57:01 <timelyx> and i'd rather someone else yell at him
Nov 29 08:57:09 <timelyx> it's the wrong bug.
Nov 29 08:57:09 <timelyx> try using https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=keyboard+password bug 2263
Nov 29 08:57:10 <_Monkey> Bug 2263 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2263
Nov 29 08:57:20 <timelyx> you could use the text i wrote there  ^^
Nov 29 08:57:22 <timelyx> or write your own
Nov 29 08:57:47 <timelyx> note: quicksearch is reached by entering words into the search field on the root page <https://bugs.maemo.org>
Nov 29 08:59:34 * czr goes hunting for rubber chickens
Nov 29 08:59:42 <czr> timelyx, any size preferences? :-)
Nov 29 08:59:46 <keesj> me did also enter a password field bug
Nov 29 08:59:58 <keesj> it's bugilla that sucks big time
Nov 29 09:00:08 <timelyx> keesj: i know you did, redeem yourself :)
Nov 29 09:00:23 * czr sighs
Nov 29 09:00:23 <keesj> don't blame people for a lame system
Nov 29 09:00:29 <czr> one of my bugs was invalidated!
Nov 29 09:02:10 <keesj> enter "#2263" in the search field and get zero zarrooo bugs
Nov 29 09:02:14 <timelyx> interesting
Nov 29 09:02:44 <timelyx> entiering #2263 in the find field gets me 706 :)
Nov 29 09:02:47 <Spakman_> keesj: got to agree, Bugzilla search is pretty dreadful
Nov 29 09:02:47 <timelyx> https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=%232263
Nov 29 09:03:33 <keesj> is like jira and the system that kde uses(perhaps a modded bugzilla?)
Nov 29 09:03:40 <timelyx> ok, for the reference, this user searched for: os2008+thumb
Nov 29 09:03:55 <timelyx> don't ask me why he chose os2008 instead of password
Nov 29 09:04:01 <timelyx> seems kinda stupid
Nov 29 09:04:09 * keesj searched fot thumb keyboard but the bug was with "finger keyboard"
Nov 29 09:04:29 * keesj goes back to work
Nov 29 09:04:36 * timelyx frowns
Nov 29 09:05:03 <Jaffa> Nirbubgm akk
Nov 29 09:07:32 <Jaffa> timelyx: I'll go a happy-slapping.
Nov 29 09:08:01 <timelyx> thanks
Nov 29 09:11:33 <timelyx> hi blassey
Nov 29 09:11:45 <blassey> hi timelyx
Nov 29 09:12:14 <blassey> does anyone know how to show and hide the virtual keyboard?
Nov 29 09:12:23 <timelyx> n810?
Nov 29 09:12:23 <_Monkey> n810 is a mixed blessing. sure it got gps and keyboard. but it got one less memory slot...
Nov 29 09:12:25 <timelyx> control panel
Nov 29 09:12:32 <timelyx> text settings (?)
Nov 29 09:12:37 <timelyx> enable stylus input methods
Nov 29 09:12:39 <timelyx> (second tab?)
Nov 29 09:12:40 <blassey> n800
Nov 29 09:12:49 <blassey> programatically
Nov 29 09:12:51 <timelyx> oh
Nov 29 09:12:57 <timelyx> microb does that :)
Nov 29 09:13:00 <timelyx> you can read that code
Nov 29 09:13:15 * czr wonders what to do
Nov 29 09:13:16 <blassey> I see hildon_im_context_send_command in the source
Nov 29 09:13:24 <blassey> but that's not in an exposed header
Nov 29 09:13:26 <czr> should probably document the local mirroring thingy
Nov 29 09:13:30 <blassey> that I could find
Nov 29 09:14:13 <timelyx> # ;
Nov 29 09:14:13 <timelyx> # line 2274 -- hildon_gtk_im_context_show (im);
Nov 29 09:14:27 <timelyx> blassey: that's from a brutal text search
Nov 29 09:14:31 <timelyx> http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/search?find=%2Fbrowser%2Fmozilla%2Ftrunk%2Fmicrob-eal%2Fsrc%2F&string=im
Nov 29 09:15:05 <blassey> appreciate it
Nov 29 09:15:10 <timelyx> http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/ident?i=hildon_gtk_im_context_show
Nov 29 09:15:17 <timelyx> that's the api "decl" and friends
Nov 29 09:16:27 <timelyx> blassey: do take advantage of the xref, it's there to serve :)
Nov 29 09:16:47 <blassey> didn't think to look at the microb code
Nov 29 09:17:03 <blassey> kinda assumed that gtk text boxes were taking care of it automagically
Nov 29 09:17:10 * timelyx reprograms blassey
Nov 29 09:17:23 <timelyx> you're doing what again exactly? :)
Nov 29 09:18:13 <blassey> fixing the fact that the keyboard doesn't get raised in firefox
Nov 29 09:18:13 <blassey> http://blog.mozilla.com/blassey/2007/11/27/minefield-on-the-n800/
Nov 29 09:18:26 <timelyx> blassey: right, you're hacking a gecko...
Nov 29 09:18:36 <blassey> yup
Nov 29 09:18:46 <timelyx> so where's the first place you should look for anything? :)
Nov 29 09:19:13 <blassey> yea yea
Nov 29 09:19:17 <blassey> I was looking here
Nov 29 09:19:18 <blassey> https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/
Nov 29 09:19:53 <timelyx> internally i have that cross referenced
Nov 29 09:20:05 <timelyx> as part of the same thing that cross references http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/
Nov 29 09:20:14 <timelyx> however atm i'm not sure if i have that cross referenced
Nov 29 09:20:14 <czr> hmm. stupid questoin. how do I get a pipe character with 810 keyboard?
Nov 29 09:20:19 <czr> question even.
Nov 29 09:20:24 <timelyx> for now, your starting points should be chinook and garage
Nov 29 09:20:38 <timelyx> garage holding microb and chinook being the api/sdk
Nov 29 09:20:48 <timelyx> czr: depends on key layout
Nov 29 09:20:53 <timelyx> i use the ae! char
Nov 29 09:20:59 <timelyx> it's on the second or third tab
Nov 29 09:21:05 <czr> looks like scandinavian
Nov 29 09:21:06 <blassey> sounds good
Nov 29 09:21:08 <kaltsi> czr with the help of the 'Chr' key
Nov 29 09:21:08 <timelyx> iirc in en-GB it's available in a shift
Nov 29 09:21:13 <blassey> sure beats grep anyway
Nov 29 09:21:28 <timelyx> blassey: indeed
Nov 29 09:21:33 <czr> kaltsi, thanks
Nov 29 09:21:48 <timelyx> kaltsi: cheater
Nov 29 09:21:51 <kaltsi> :D
Nov 29 09:22:18 <timelyx> you triggered at least 2 reflows, sit in the corner for at least 2 wait cycles
Nov 29 09:22:41 * timelyx hates the im impl
Nov 29 09:22:43 <timelyx> totally broken
Nov 29 09:23:25 <timelyx> blassey, ah http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/maemo-all/source/
Nov 29 09:23:31 <timelyx> there's a /maemo-all/ but no /maemo/ :)
Nov 29 09:23:50 <timelyx> note: you don't really want to use -all's unless you're comparing code
Nov 29 09:24:05 <timelyx> (-all's also tend to be too painful for the indexers)
Nov 29 09:24:17 <blassey> makes sense
Nov 29 09:24:27 <blassey> still useful though
Nov 29 09:24:36 <timelyx> -all means full svn, for when i don't have the time/energy to make symlink mazes
Nov 29 09:24:39 <blassey> again...my metric right now is "better than grep"
Nov 29 09:24:46 <timelyx> and it also means i can svn up easier
Nov 29 09:24:51 <timelyx> yeah yeah
Nov 29 09:24:52 <guardian> pardon my ignorance: microb is the new mozilla based browser ?
Nov 29 09:25:00 <timelyx> microb?
Nov 29 09:25:01 <_Monkey> microb is, like, the nokia sponsored gtk2-cairo hack of gecko for use by /usr/bin/browser via eal on n800 (4.2007)
Nov 29 09:25:27 <timelyx> guardian: oddly, sometimes _Monkey isn't useless
Nov 29 09:25:31 <guardian> :)
Nov 29 09:26:03 * HGFB curses his N810 GPS
Nov 29 09:26:47 <HGFB> I don't think I've ever seen a GPS take as long as this to figure out where it was
Nov 29 09:26:49 <sxpert> HGFB, lucky you... you can actually curse it
Nov 29 09:27:01 <czr> timelyx, ae on mine puts out ae
Nov 29 09:27:12 <timelyx> czr: i was thinking about vkb
Nov 29 09:27:12 <czr> although I seemed to notice some kind of bug in how the thing works.
Nov 29 09:27:18 <czr> ah. I wasn't
Nov 29 09:27:26 <guardian> i don't use my tablet often, i'm so lagging behind
Nov 29 09:27:29 <timelyx> you know the key i mean, right?
Nov 29 09:27:56 <czr> timelyx, ah, the &!e one?
Nov 29 09:28:20 <czr> btw, that key does not work in SDK ;-)
Nov 29 09:33:28 <AD-N770> bon dia / good morning
Nov 29 09:34:11 <timelyx> ?!
Nov 29 09:34:13 <timelyx> file a bug?
Nov 29 09:34:57 <timelyx> Jaffa: note that phi is a hit and runner, he spammed the bug but didn't vote or cc
Nov 29 09:35:13 <timelyx> so you might want to send him a note :(
Nov 29 09:36:00 <czr> timelyx, I've filed a bug. it's classed as enhancement now ;-)
Nov 29 09:36:19 <czr> timelyx, 2289
Nov 29 09:38:22 <timelyx> there's no internal bug ref there
Nov 29 09:39:02 <timelyx> hey, can you select HWR in sdk? :)
Nov 29 09:39:17 <czr> I have no idea
Nov 29 09:39:28 <czr> (don't have a working SDK right now)
Nov 29 09:40:02 <czr> I'd expect for the HWR to me missing completely
Nov 29 09:40:26 <timelyx> i'm wondering if it's properly missing or buggily missing :)
Nov 29 09:40:42 <czr> probably latter
Nov 29 09:40:50 <timelyx> right :)
Nov 29 09:40:52 <czr> "missing with extra features"
Nov 29 09:41:19 * timelyx kicks svn
Nov 29 09:42:42 <czr> trunk or branch?
Nov 29 09:45:41 <timelyx> there's no such thing
Nov 29 09:45:50 <timelyx> in this case i think connectivity doesn't even have a trunk
Nov 29 09:46:00 <timelyx> which is the reason i'm kicking it
Nov 29 09:47:26 <czr> single tree? that's .. evil :-)
Nov 29 09:47:48 <czr> although my personal projects are also like that. but since there are no other people messing with my code, I can live with it
Nov 29 09:47:58 <czr> and I never do anything I would regret later anyway.. /me hides
Nov 29 09:48:59 <timelyx> https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/connectivity/bluez-libs/
Nov 29 09:49:11 <timelyx> no trunk
Nov 29 09:49:21 <timelyx> which means i can't point to an always "latest' something
Nov 29 09:49:28 <timelyx> i have to magically know when to change the link
Nov 29 09:49:34 <czr> of course
Nov 29 09:49:44 <timelyx> yeah, i'll get that right
Nov 29 09:49:51 <czr> or ask repo-maintainers to make a magical conf file for each project that you can read and use that
Nov 29 09:50:01 <L0cutus> hello! is 'pand' command available on OS2008 ?
Nov 29 09:50:03 <czr> although you know that that won't ever happen
Nov 29 09:50:45 <czr> timelyx, http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/images/dilbert2666700071126.gif
Nov 29 09:51:02 * czr chuckles
Nov 29 09:51:10 <czr> or maybe even "hee hee"s.
Nov 29 09:57:07 * timelyx frowns
Nov 29 09:57:32 <timelyx> i'm trying to remember if haf still lives in stage.maemo
Nov 29 09:57:37 <timelyx> i thought they moved to gnome.org
Nov 29 09:57:46 <pupnik> wow, scott adams gets it
Nov 29 09:57:56 <timelyx> this surprises you?
Nov 29 09:58:59 <timelyx> ok, they seem to still be using stage at least if  http://live.gnome.org/Hildon/Building is trustworthy
Nov 29 09:59:44 <czr> this surprises you?
Nov 29 10:00:01 <timelyx> which part?
Nov 29 10:00:09 <czr> trustworthy :-)
Nov 29 10:00:26 <czr> or rather, they using stage
Nov 29 10:00:54 <timelyx> i'm not claiming it's trustworthy
Nov 29 10:00:57 <timelyx> the stage bit
Nov 29 10:02:04 <rothiel> Hi guys :)
Nov 29 10:04:17 <Segnale007> hi there
Nov 29 10:04:18 <_Monkey> privet, Segnale007
Nov 29 10:09:38 <timelyx> blassey: http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/maemo/source/ should be useful/usable eventually
Nov 29 10:09:50 <timelyx> it's scheduled to pull in haf next
Nov 29 10:16:07 <timelyx> czr: http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/maemo/source/projects/haf/ is fun
Nov 29 10:18:27 <pupnik> Thu Nov 29 10:16:24 UTC 2007
Nov 29 10:19:34 <czr> timelyx, interesting files
Nov 29 10:25:42 <timelyx> czr: reload
Nov 29 10:26:08 <timelyx> nevermind
Nov 29 10:26:13 <czr> different icons this time :-)
Nov 29 10:26:39 <czr> incorrect permissions methinks?
Nov 29 10:27:16 <timelyx> no, the symlinks point to things that don't exist <yet>
Nov 29 10:27:33 <timelyx> i created the symlinks in advance
Nov 29 10:27:40 <timelyx> svn will make them valid <eventually>
Nov 29 10:27:55 <czr> ah. silly of mxr to treat them as regular files
Nov 29 10:28:09 <timelyx> i'm working on it
Nov 29 10:28:15 <czr> work harder!
Nov 29 10:28:24 <timelyx> bah
Nov 29 10:28:25 * czr hides & runs
Nov 29 10:31:17 <timelyx> ok, reload, i think i gotit
Nov 29 10:33:08 <czr> nope
Nov 29 10:33:12 <czr> don't you test your stuff yourself?
Nov 29 10:33:13 <timelyx> nope?
Nov 29 10:33:26 <timelyx> what do you see?
Nov 29 10:33:32 <czr> broken icons
Nov 29 10:33:36 <czr> "this file does not exists"s
Nov 29 10:33:45 <timelyx> that's correct
Nov 29 10:33:55 <czr> err. so why did you want me to reload?
Nov 29 10:34:16 <timelyx> they won't exist until svn stops diddling with     haf/maemo-branches/IT-2005/packaging/tags/gtk+2.0/2.6.4-1.osso73
Nov 29 10:34:30 <timelyx> well, the previous time it would always give out broken icons for all files
Nov 29 10:34:37 <timelyx> now it only does it for truly broken ones :)
Nov 29 10:35:25 <czr> they're all broken, aren't they? :-)
Nov 29 10:35:43 <timelyx> all the items in that directory atm? yes
Nov 29 10:35:46 <timelyx> eventually README won't be
Nov 29 10:35:51 <timelyx> it'll be a real file
Nov 29 11:36:03 <pupnik> "Those men will break your bones." - Tricky
Nov 29 11:36:45 <czr> <3 tricky
Nov 29 11:37:41 <alterego> czr: Are you about?
Nov 29 11:37:51 <czr> +what?
Nov 29 11:37:55 <czr> yes. kind of. yes.
Nov 29 11:38:01 * timelyx sighs
Nov 29 11:38:30 <alterego> I've got some bugs for you. Would you like patches?
Nov 29 11:38:44 <timelyx>     haf/maemo-branches/IT-2005/tags/gtk+/2.6.4-1.osso75/
Nov 29 11:38:59 <timelyx> what's the point of a branches directory that contains a tags directory?
Nov 29 11:39:07 <timelyx> other than wasting gb's of space?
Nov 29 11:40:59 <Juhaz> svn doesn't waste space with branches or tags.
Nov 29 11:44:39 <timelyx> Juhaz: depends on how you think about it
Nov 29 11:44:52 <timelyx> if you check out haf/ you lose gb's of space
Nov 29 11:45:04 <timelyx> if you mean the database doesn't waste space, that's nice
Nov 29 11:45:07 <timelyx> but totally useless
Nov 29 11:45:15 <timelyx> most people don't run svn databases
Nov 29 11:45:27 <lardman> morning
Nov 29 11:45:28 <_Monkey> aloha
Nov 29 11:45:32 <timelyx> czr: i got tired of waiting for svn, so i'm racing checkouts
Nov 29 11:45:38 <timelyx> http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/maemo/source/projects/haf/
Nov 29 11:45:39 <Juhaz> most people don't check out entire databases either, but I suppose some do :)
Nov 29 11:46:00 <Juhaz> and yeah, you would be right on that
Nov 29 11:46:50 <czr> timelyx, heh
Nov 29 11:47:19 <czr> timelyx, much nicer
Nov 29 11:47:25 <czr> esp with the 'missing' thing now
Nov 29 11:47:41 <czr> "** Warning: Cannot open xref database." is to be expected, right?
Nov 29 11:50:50 <lardman> Does the kernel handle device files that are closed due to a SIGINT in the process that has the handle differently from the same process simply close()ing the device?
Nov 29 11:57:45 <czr> if you mean the driver, then no
Nov 29 11:57:57 <czr> but you need to be careful about closing versus dropping references in the driver
Nov 29 11:58:02 <czr> since those two things are separate
Nov 29 11:59:08 <lardman> czr: just wondering about the user-side code, whether to trap the SIGINT signal and explictly close my device or assume the dspgateway will issue a kill even to the dsp task
Nov 29 11:59:24 <lardman> s/even/event
Nov 29 11:59:32 <czr> ah. the kernel driver should handle all those cases
Nov 29 11:59:36 <czr> imho.
Nov 29 11:59:41 <lardman> :) cool
Nov 29 11:59:54 <czr> not sure how dspgateway does the dma stuff though, at least if it's visible to userspace which I doubt it is (directly at least)
Nov 29 11:59:55 <lardman> Will stop my resets due to run away threads on the dsp
Nov 29 12:00:24 <lardman> dma is done by mapping a file with mmap
Nov 29 12:00:44 <lardman> sharing at least, but probably not dma but rather through the mmu
Nov 29 12:01:25 <czr> note, _should_. the kernel driver might have other ideas if it's not well enough implemented.
Nov 29 12:01:25 <czr> but that'd be going against unix semantics = bad.
Nov 29 12:01:28 <lardman> I see what you mean, no, I don't think dsp dma is visible on the user side
Nov 29 12:01:57 <lardman> czr: I'll test and see, thanks
Nov 29 12:02:13 <czr> well, the driver should do all the necessary unmapping. userspace _should_ not care.
Nov 29 12:02:26 <czr> np & good luck
Nov 29 12:03:15 <lardman> Shouldn't need luck, just tracking down why select() doesn't do anything and having to kill the user side process, which obviously doesn't get round to issuing a command to the dsp task to kill its processing thread
Nov 29 12:03:38 <czr> ah
Nov 29 12:03:42 <lardman> tweak to the dsp task should solve that, then I'll have to reboot less often (hopefully)
Nov 29 12:03:48 <czr> so the dsp task keeps running on the kernel/dsp side, right?
Nov 29 12:04:09 <czr> hmm. doesn't dspgateway has anything for tracking run-away tasks on the dsp side?
Nov 29 12:04:17 <lardman> well the task itself is probably stopped when the device file is closed, but it's started a thread which doesn't seem to be stopped
Nov 29 12:04:32 <czr> hmmh. well. out of my expertise :-)
Nov 29 12:04:32 <lardman> there's not much by way of monitoring tools unfortunately
Nov 29 12:04:47 <czr> I tried to look at dspgateway way back, but decided it wasn't worth me spending too much time on.
Nov 29 12:04:50 * czr nods
Nov 29 12:05:07 <lardman> it's interesting, but frustrating, hard to debug
Nov 29 12:05:33 <lardman> powervr is more interesting atm, but I should finish some dsp bits off
Nov 29 12:29:47 <acydlord> man, i'm glad skype actually works on os2008 beta
Nov 29 13:15:02 <dneary> hi
Nov 29 13:15:03 <_Monkey> bonjour, dneary
Nov 29 13:15:32 <nomis> dneary: hi dave!
Nov 29 13:15:46 <dneary> Hi Simon
Nov 29 13:15:49 <dneary> Long time no see
Nov 29 13:16:00 <nomis> indeed.
Nov 29 13:16:02 <dneary> Has the GIMP sorted out that governance problem yet? :)
Nov 29 13:16:24 <nomis> dneary: kinda.
Nov 29 13:16:29 <nomis> dneary: not really probably.
Nov 29 13:22:32 <zpol> hola
Nov 29 13:22:32 <_Monkey> hey, zpol
Nov 29 13:28:59 <acydlord> http://urltea.com/28an <- interesting article, slightly off topic
Nov 29 13:29:10 <acydlord> about verizon opening up their network
Nov 29 13:31:36 <OgMaciel> hello guys and gals... I am having problems installing new apps on my N800 (OS2008)... it always complains about missing deps, most notaby libreadline
Nov 29 13:31:45 <OgMaciel> any have some feedback?
Nov 29 13:34:35 <acydlord> do you have all the repos that you need?
Nov 29 13:37:33 <OgMaciel> acydlord: I clicked on a package via the maemo/garage site and it automatically added the repo for me... but I don't know if I am missing one
Nov 29 13:37:44 <OgMaciel> acydlord: is there a default list of repos?
Nov 29 13:37:51 <acydlord> one second, i'll get you a link
Nov 29 13:37:56 <OgMaciel> thanks
Nov 29 13:39:17 <acydlord> http://gronmayer.com/n800/repos/ <- there you go
Nov 29 13:39:59 <acydlord> if you visit that link on your n800 it can add the repos for you automatically
Nov 29 13:40:18 <OgMaciel> acydlord: I really appreciated your help! :)
Nov 29 13:40:29 <acydlord> no problem :)
Nov 29 14:18:41 <lopz> re
Nov 29 14:38:55 <linuxkrn> morning all
Nov 29 14:39:35 <linuxkrn> is there a good "support" forums for the 810?
Nov 29 14:45:08 <Tak> there's internettablettalk.com ...
Nov 29 14:56:35 <bilboed> anyone knows if there's a nstx package for os2007/2008 somewhere ?
Nov 29 14:56:40 <bilboed> nstx is the ip-over-dns stuff
Nov 29 15:07:23 <TheFool2> alright I got some stupid questions, anyone around?
Nov 29 15:08:45 <TheFool2> trying to flash my n770 as per the instructions and I am having no luck. Just trying to figure out what I am doing wrong
Nov 29 15:12:38 * sciboy starts hunting down anything about wesnoth on maemo.
Nov 29 15:13:22 <sikahakki> how you trie
Nov 29 15:13:22 <Tak> TheFool2: what problem are you having?
Nov 29 15:14:34 <sikahakki>  was about to ask same thing :) how you tried to flash
Nov 29 15:18:42 <linuxkrn> where can I find libbz2 for os2008?
Nov 29 15:19:07 <linuxkrn> it's not in the list of apps on either maemo.org or program manager
Nov 29 15:22:38 <sciboy> Is there any examples of pygame apps under maemo?
Nov 29 15:25:00 <pupnik> sciboy: i think someone built it
Nov 29 15:25:16 <Tak> sciboy: kagu
Nov 29 15:27:42 <pupnik> yaay i now have 500 legal c64 games and 200 legal amiga games to test emus
Nov 29 15:28:05 * pupnik does the 80s dance
Nov 29 15:29:01 <gla55_> heh
Nov 29 15:29:32 <gla55_> you wouldn't know whats the fastest nes emu around?
Nov 29 15:29:34 <sciboy> In particular I'm looking to find out how to do pixel doubling from python.
Nov 29 15:29:38 <pupnik> yes i do
Nov 29 15:29:40 <pupnik> for arm?
Nov 29 15:30:01 <gla55_> arm, not thinking of for maemo though
Nov 29 15:30:03 <sciboy> I am not seeing that in Kagu...
Nov 29 15:30:26 <pupnik> it's littlejohn
Nov 29 15:30:40 <pupnik> gives playable speed on a 66mhz cpu
Nov 29 15:31:11 <gla55_> pupnik: i got  an old infones port for symbian i did years ago, planning on making a 3rd ed port, but might change(try another) the emu core just as well
Nov 29 15:31:30 <gla55_> playable on 66mhz? wow
Nov 29 15:31:54 <pupnik> oh infones runs on nokia :)
Nov 29 15:32:12 <pupnik> i buildeidid it a while back - pretty spluttery tho
Nov 29 15:32:36 <pupnik> [sbox-SB_Arm2: ~/NES/infones/tmp/InfoNES097JRC1_SDL/bin] > ls -l
Nov 29 15:32:36 <pupnik> total 256
Nov 29 15:32:36 <pupnik> -rwxr-xr-x  1 minra minra 251539 Feb 25  2006 InfoNES
Nov 29 15:33:04 <gla55_> pupnik: back then i did go through a lot of emus seeing if their code would build for symbian
Nov 29 15:33:06 <pupnik> nice clean code tho
Nov 29 15:33:09 <pupnik> heh
Nov 29 15:33:11 <pupnik> cool!
Nov 29 15:33:13 <gla55_> and if it would work
Nov 29 15:33:17 <pupnik> :)
Nov 29 15:33:27 <gla55_> infones was one of the few that worked :p
Nov 29 15:33:34 <pupnik> yeah nice and portable
Nov 29 15:33:42 <pupnik> and really clean lookin
Nov 29 15:33:47 <gla55_> yeah
Nov 29 15:33:59 <Tak> I don't know if any pygame apps are using pixel doubling
Nov 29 15:34:23 <pupnik> but fceu is as fast or faster than infones (my build)
Nov 29 15:34:38 <pupnik> so i'd say a gp2x SNES would be soo much worthwhiler
Nov 29 15:35:11 <pupnik> http://pupnik.de/DrPocketSnes_Nokia_The_Horror.tgz
Nov 29 15:35:47 <gla55_> probably,  but i don't have that much time so i'd rather go with something i know should port without major problems
Nov 29 15:36:12 <gla55_> i could never get smsplus to run on symbian for example :\
Nov 29 15:37:11 <pupnik> ok :)
Nov 29 15:38:05 <sciboy> Well since no one seems interested in trying to get blender working, I would like to be able to do some sprite based games in pygame.
Nov 29 15:38:31 <Tak> there's also rubygame ;-)
Nov 29 15:38:56 <sciboy> I already use Blenders game engine, so I'm sticking with Python.
Nov 29 15:39:06 * Tak shrugs
Nov 29 15:40:20 <corevette> i'm trying to flash my nokia 770
Nov 29 15:40:28 <corevette> root@corevette-desktop:/home/corevette/Desktop# ./flasher-2.0
Nov 29 15:40:30 <corevette> bash: ./flasher-2.0: Permission denied
Nov 29 15:40:34 <corevette> why doesn't it work
Nov 29 15:40:56 <Dasajev> chmod +x flasher-2.0 and try again
Nov 29 15:45:49 <corevette> # 770: Now plug in the charger to switch on the 770 or switch it on using the power button WHILE holding the Home-button
Nov 29 15:45:49 <corevette> # PC: Watch the messages as the image loads to the 770 after which it reboots automatically -- you're done now!
Nov 29 15:45:56 <corevette> thats not working for me
Nov 29 15:46:10 <corevette> the nokia logo is just sitting there
Nov 29 15:47:38 <niteOwl2> corevette: did you give it all the command line args it wants?
Nov 29 15:47:45 <niteOwl2> ex: name of image to flahs
Nov 29 15:47:48 <niteOwl2> flash
Nov 29 15:48:03 <corevette> ./flasher-2.0 -F SU-18_2007HACKER_4.2007.45-1_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R
Nov 29 15:48:08 <corevette> should i use flasher 3.0?
Nov 29 15:48:15 <mgedmin> corevette: is there a small usb icon in the corner above the nokia logo?
Nov 29 15:48:19 <corevette> yes
Nov 29 15:48:26 <mgedmin> then you just need to run the flasher
Nov 29 15:48:33 <mgedmin> what does the flasher say?
Nov 29 15:48:38 <mgedmin> you may need to run it as root
Nov 29 15:48:44 <corevette> Suitable USB device not found, waiting
Nov 29 15:48:46 <corevette> i am
Nov 29 15:48:48 <linuxkrn> where can I find libbz2 for os2008?
Nov 29 15:52:19 <Tak> you need to use flasher-3.0 with 2007HE, I believe.
Nov 29 16:01:29 <zoran> is maemo.org down?
Nov 29 16:06:36 <linuxkrn> zoran: I can't access it either, but it's usually slow as crap for me
Nov 29 16:06:58 <zoran> pretty fast usualy for me; now has gone
Nov 29 16:08:46 <zoran> ah, comes to life!
Nov 29 16:10:49 <guardian> is it possible to have bora-armel, bora-i386, chinook-armel and chinook-i386 targets installed at the same time inside the same scratchbox installation and the same user ???
Nov 29 16:12:02 <pupnik> yess....
Nov 29 16:12:04 <pupnik> precious
Nov 29 16:12:08 <Tak> Yes.
Nov 29 16:12:16 <sciboy> xkbd?
Nov 29 16:12:17 <_Monkey> xkbd is an alternative keyboard that lets you set up my own layout  http://pupnik.de/xkbd.html
Nov 29 16:12:20 <Tak> pupnik: give uss the fisshesss!
Nov 29 16:12:51 <sp3000> http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008 looks emptier than usual
Nov 29 16:27:11 <Tak> yay spontaneous reboot!
Nov 29 16:28:52 <Tak> at least it comes back up now
Nov 29 16:29:01 <sciboy> Where do you get becomeroot for OS2008?
Nov 29 16:29:04 * Tak nearly 2 weeks since last infinite reboot loop
Nov 29 16:30:15 * pupnik puts the carton of pizza on the table
Nov 29 16:30:38 <sciboy> becomeroot?
Nov 29 16:30:39 <_Monkey> becomeroot is a quick howto to become root here http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_BecomeRoot  and more information is here http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowDoiBecomeRoot
Nov 29 16:30:43 * Tak eats the table
Nov 29 16:31:07 <johnnynokia> ahh i have link on my 810 but not pc
Nov 29 16:31:19 <johnnynokia> i couldn't find it at first for 2008 either
Nov 29 16:31:29 <truent> anyone know where to get ruby-dbus for n800?
Nov 29 16:31:50 <mbuf> Maemo 4.0 is for N810, or can it be used for N800?
Nov 29 16:32:17 <pupnik> yes
Nov 29 16:32:23 <flip^> there's a developer release for n800 i think... official release should be in a few weeks
Nov 29 16:33:26 <mbuf> ok
Nov 29 16:33:50 <johnnynokia> sciboy, http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php?lang=en&system=maemo4&sort=hits&show_pck=136#136
Nov 29 16:34:38 <Tak> hmm - if I make a >64M swapfile, will 2007HE use it?
Nov 29 16:37:17 <pupnik> i think so
Nov 29 16:38:13 * Tak will try next time it reboots
Nov 29 16:38:21 <sciboy> Cheers
Nov 29 16:38:41 <sciboy> Now I need rsync, trying to get plython working.
Nov 29 16:39:16 <sciboy> pluthon*
Nov 29 16:40:02 <Tak> that sounds like the name for an evil hybrid of perl, ruby, and python
Nov 29 16:40:23 <sciboy> It's a eclipse plugin for pymaemo.
Nov 29 16:40:30 <sciboy> So, more a evil hybrid of python and java.
Nov 29 16:40:58 <Tak> terrible naming
Nov 29 16:41:19 <Tak> I'm surprised they didn't go with pyclipse
Nov 29 16:46:15 <pupnik> I want underwear that says 'Caution: Pressurized Area'
Nov 29 16:47:32 <pupnik> http://www.starflt.com/  starflight seems to run OK on dosbox
Nov 29 16:48:06 <halley> pupnik, instead of your 'Danger: Gas Storage Area' pair?
Nov 29 16:49:10 <pupnik> heh... "Standard Airlock Procedures Apply" http://www.starflt.com/graphics/iirlock.jpg
Nov 29 16:55:00 <sciboy> How the hell can an application like eclipse be using up so much resources.
Nov 29 16:58:42 <halley> Through the magic of Java.
Nov 29 16:58:47 <mgedmin> plus overengineering
Nov 29 16:58:53 <halley> I said that.
Nov 29 16:59:19 <Tak> IME it's the code completion db that eats the universe
Nov 29 16:59:37 <halley> I would expect it's the JIT, actually.
Nov 29 17:05:19 <pupnik> Scott Horton Show on now: Call-in number 512 646-6446.  stream http://listen64.kaos959.com  92.7 or 95.9 in Austin Texas
Nov 29 17:08:59 <jeff1f> who is scott horton?
Nov 29 17:10:06 * sciboy kills th e eclipsee process.
Nov 29 17:10:41 <sciboy> There's no way in  heck it'ss usppose to be abssolutely creaming a quad-core withh 4giig of ram.
Nov 29 17:11:41 <pupnik> jeff1f: he's a dude in texas \o/ \o
Nov 29 17:12:10 <shackan> sciboy: you for such a machine, and can't afford a decent keyboard? :D
Nov 29 17:12:20 <shackan> s/for/have/
Nov 29 17:12:22 <infobot> shackan meant: sciboy: you have such a machine, and can't afford a decent keyboard? :D
Nov 29 17:13:20 <guardian> is it possible to have bora-armel, bora-i386, chinook-armel and chinook-i386 targets installed at the same time inside the same scratchbox installation and the same user ???
Nov 29 17:13:38 <guardian> i renamed the targets in the scripts but now i can't launch my bora targets anymore :(
Nov 29 17:14:00 <guardian> for instance the menu are broken: like displaying tana_fi_settings
Nov 29 17:15:43 <geoffeg> So I'm a bit confused.. The OS2008 map application.. it seems to be based on navicore, is that correct?
Nov 29 17:19:02 <pupnik> haha awesome Primus song
Nov 29 17:19:14 <scin800> I can't type onmy computer right now.
Nov 29 17:19:44 <scin800> It's being completely slaughtered.
Nov 29 17:20:03 <scin800> Time for a hard reset?
Nov 29 17:21:57 <scin800> FYI. A cheap quad core is easy to justify when you spend most of your time animating.
Nov 29 17:29:28 <sciboy> Okay, turned out to be some memory allocation issue causing a leak.
Nov 29 17:32:48 <guardian> nobody knows about my multiple sdk inside the same scratchbox question ? :(
Nov 29 17:36:17 <mgedmin> guardian: yes, it is
Nov 29 17:36:28 <guardian> yes it is possible ?
Nov 29 17:36:29 <mgedmin> inz had a howto about this on his blog
Nov 29 17:36:35 <guardian> ok
Nov 29 17:36:38 <guardian> gonna try to find it out
Nov 29 17:36:43 <guardian> cause i had bora targets working
Nov 29 17:36:46 <mgedmin> I've bookmarked it somewhere on my del.icio.us/mgedmin/maemo
Nov 29 17:36:54 <guardian> then i upgraded my scratchbox, it was still working
Nov 29 17:37:06 <guardian> then i installed chinook (editing the install script to give targets proper names)
Nov 29 17:37:06 <mgedmin> here: http://inz.fi/blog/2007/10/22/multi-target-development-for-maemo/
Nov 29 17:37:14 <guardian> and now my bora targets are fucked up :(
Nov 29 17:39:56 <guardian> af-sb-init.sh start works but menu entries are fucked upt
Nov 29 17:45:18 <guardian> mgedmin: thx for the link anyway :)
Nov 29 17:46:02 * timelyx cries
Nov 29 17:49:47 <timelyx> czr: the xref bit can be fixed when i'm sure enough of "maemo" is available to rebuild the index
Nov 29 17:54:51 <timelyx> czr: ok. other than README
Nov 29 17:54:55 <timelyx> which is um, a pain
Nov 29 17:55:23 <timelyx> since it's stuck behind haf/maemo-branches/ which isn't done
Nov 29 18:09:46 <pumpkin-> boo
Nov 29 18:09:51 <pumpkin-> my sshd isn't working on my n800 anymore :(
Nov 29 18:10:03 <pumpkin-> and when I run netstat, I'm getting a whole bunch of bogus unix lines, it says
Nov 29 18:10:22 <pumpkin-> not sure if the two are related
Nov 29 18:10:26 <mgedmin> no
Nov 29 18:10:35 <mgedmin> what if you run netstat -tl?
Nov 29 18:11:04 <pumpkin-> claims to be listening on ssh port
Nov 29 18:11:28 <pumpkin-> but I'm getting a variety of errorsr when trying to connect to it
Nov 29 18:11:37 <pumpkin-> sometimes it says connection refused, others it times out
Nov 29 18:13:30 <pumpkin-> any ideas?
Nov 29 18:14:17 <pumpkin-> I'll try removing and reinstalling the ssh package
Nov 29 18:14:35 <mgedmin> wifi power savings? flaky ap?
Nov 29 18:14:47 <pumpkin-> nah, everything else works just fine :-/
Nov 29 18:14:49 <mgedmin> can you ssh to localhost?
Nov 29 18:15:22 <pumpkin-> hmm yup
Nov 29 18:17:16 <pumpkin-> does it normally respond to ping?
Nov 29 18:17:47 <qnr> just out of curiousity, can you access the machine remotely, via an internet connection, instead of via your local network?
Nov 29 18:18:46 <qnr> s/curiousity/curiosity/  ... <--- kinda drunk today
Nov 29 18:18:48 <pumpkin-> whoa, yup
Nov 29 18:19:00 <pumpkin-> I sshed into my slice and it works fine there
Nov 29 18:19:09 <qnr> I
Nov 29 18:19:19 <pumpkin-> what do you think is up?
Nov 29 18:19:32 <pumpkin-> is it blocking my ip? :P
Nov 29 18:19:38 <qnr> I'm having the same problem, haven't tried to figure it out yet, too much other stuff I'm working on at the moment :/
Nov 29 18:19:51 <pumpkin-> weird, it even works from other machines in the local network
Nov 29 18:20:00 <qnr> though mine is with dropbear, not ssh
Nov 29 18:20:00 <pumpkin-> I guess I'll just grab myself another ip address
Nov 29 18:21:06 <qnr> actually, I'm not trying to figure out anything today heheh... I have a serious "I'm half a century old today" drunk going on
Nov 29 18:23:02 <pumpkin-_> there we go
Nov 29 18:23:04 <pumpkin-_> ***K you mr n800
Nov 29 18:23:06 <pumpkin-_> I fooled you, didn't I
Nov 29 18:23:14 <pumpkin-_> btw, congrats qnr :)
Nov 29 18:23:54 <qnr> thanks pumpkin-_ :)
Nov 29 18:34:52 <timelyx> blassey: maemo index is stuck waiting for mameo-branches to svn cleanup a couple of times
Nov 29 18:34:54 * timelyx *hates* svn
Nov 29 18:36:22 <timelyx> actually, it's also waiting for haf/packaging which seems to be off in the weeds
Nov 29 18:36:35 <timelyx> (packaging/tags)
Nov 29 18:36:51 <timelyx> hrm, no, that's not blocking
Nov 29 19:23:20 <timelyx> doh
Nov 29 19:23:28 * timelyx missed an entire directory for the checkout
Nov 29 19:24:03 <Tak> hooray!
Nov 29 19:24:14 <timelyx> http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/maemo-all/source/projects/haf/tags/
Nov 29 19:24:19 <timelyx> https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/tags/
Nov 29 19:24:27 <timelyx> when those two match, i'll be finally able to get...
Nov 29 19:24:50 <timelyx> http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/maemo/source/projects/haf/README
Nov 29 20:15:59 <procto> anyone ported mplayer to os2800 yet?
Nov 29 20:17:38 <pupnik> in 792 years maybe
Nov 29 20:18:07 <procto> why? it was ported from os2006 to os2007 pretty quickly
Nov 29 20:18:10 <procto> was it not?
Nov 29 20:18:34 <pupnik> sorry - don't know - bad joke
Nov 29 20:19:15 <procto> ok...
Nov 29 20:19:17 <procto> :>
Nov 29 20:20:02 <halley> Is there a way to tell busybox not to greet ssh logins with a message?  Just straight to prompt?  It's not /etc/motd but it's like that.
Nov 29 20:20:12 <Tak> not /that/ bad
Nov 29 20:20:40 * Tak makes /etc/motd a 1G text file instead
Nov 29 20:22:47 <pupnik> dun dun dun duunt, dunt dunt, dunt dunt (can't touch dis)
Nov 29 20:24:36 <solmumaha> pupnik: stop!
Nov 29 20:25:51 <pupnik> hehehe
Nov 29 20:26:31 <solmumaha> no hammertime?
Nov 29 20:27:36 <Tak> HAMMERTIME HAS BEEN CANCELED. Go about your business.
Nov 29 20:28:05 <solmumaha> k
Nov 29 20:28:20 <solmumaha> i guess there's no way i can run 4.0 sdk under amd64?
Nov 29 20:29:33 <pupnik> Hammerzeit!
Nov 29 20:29:36 <pupnik> ¯¯\(°_o)/¯¯\(°_o)/¯¯\(°_o)/¯¯\(°_o)/¯¯\(°_o)/¯¯\(°_o)/¯
Nov 29 20:30:55 <halley> Hm, what repo for chinook rsync?
Nov 29 20:31:00 * pupnik ponders
Nov 29 20:39:04 <czr> halley, chinook is not provided via rsync
Nov 29 20:41:06 <halley> czr, rearrange your sentence; rsync is not provided for chinook
Nov 29 20:41:20 <halley> I found it in the "Testing Maemo Extras"
Nov 29 20:41:33 <czr> halley, where?
Nov 29 20:41:52 <mmiller> Is there a way to stop a N800 from joining a network in it's list of known networks?
Nov 29 20:42:44 <halley> Sure, have a nicer network found first. :) Or go to offline mode.
Nov 29 20:42:53 <czr> halley, link?
Nov 29 20:44:16 <halley> http://www.gronmayer.com/it/
Nov 29 20:44:36 <halley> Click OS2008, then find "Testing Maemo Extras" near bottom.
Nov 29 20:44:52 <halley> rsync works well.
Nov 29 20:45:41 <czr> halley, hmm. what do you use for rsync command line?
Nov 29 20:46:17 <halley> I just used (rsync -ave ssh shost:path dhost:path)
Nov 29 20:46:46 <czr> doesn't that required you to have an account on shost?
Nov 29 20:46:49 <czr> require even
Nov 29 20:47:03 <halley> Yes, that's the point.
Nov 29 20:47:25 <halley> You can omit shost: or dhost: if it's localhost.
Nov 29 20:47:33 * czr sighs
Nov 29 20:47:46 <czr> I thought you meant you're using rsync _with_ repositories.maemo.org
Nov 29 20:47:52 <czr> not just rsync
Nov 29 20:48:02 <halley> No.
Nov 29 20:48:04 <czr> repository.maemo.org even
Nov 29 20:48:25 <halley> <halley> Hm, what repo for chinook rsync?
Nov 29 20:48:46 <czr> ah. I get it now :-)
Nov 29 20:48:56 <czr> you were looking for the rsync program for 4.0 :-)
Nov 29 20:49:00 * czr "duhs"
Nov 29 20:49:21 <czr> some people use rsync to mirror deb repositories. I thought you wanted to do that.
Nov 29 20:49:59 <czr> which explains my initial reply: "<czr> halley, chinook is not provided via rsync"
Nov 29 20:50:51 <bballantine> hello
Nov 29 20:50:51 <_Monkey> que tal, bballantine
Nov 29 20:51:00 <bballantine> I have  question about my 770
Nov 29 20:51:13 <bballantine> I just flashed it w/ the Hacker edition of the 2007 OS
Nov 29 20:51:22 <bballantine> and now my LCD is streaky and unusable
Nov 29 20:51:33 <bballantine> any ideas?
Nov 29 20:52:57 <bballantine> My thought is it's just a coincidental hardware failure, but I was wondering if anyone had seen this before.
Nov 29 20:53:00 <angelr> Hi brballantine, a friend of mine has the same prob on his 770.
Nov 29 20:53:30 <bballantine> angelr, does your friend know what happened?
Nov 29 20:54:10 <angelr> No idea... Im interested in seeing if anyone here has a solution
Nov 29 20:54:30 <mikanoza> bballantine, I have the same problem...
Nov 29 20:54:57 <Tak> did it happen to all of you with a 2007HE flash?
Nov 29 20:55:14 <angelr> Yep
Nov 29 20:55:27 <angelr> I reflashed and it didnt help either
Nov 29 20:55:55 <pupnik> try pulling battery for a while
Nov 29 20:56:12 <pupnik> it's a hardware-related issue
Nov 29 20:56:37 <bballantine> hmm, ok, I'll try that.
Nov 29 20:56:55 <angelr> At this point ill give it a try... Whats the science for this? To drain any caps and reset some settings?
Nov 29 20:57:03 <bballantine> how long would you suggest keeping the battery out?  a few hours or an entire day?
Nov 29 20:57:06 <pupnik> i saw it 2-3 times (coincidentally when using 2007he) and haven't seen it since
Nov 29 20:57:20 <pupnik> i pulled battery out 2 minutes and then rebooted
Nov 29 20:57:23 <pupnik> and it was gone
Nov 29 20:57:37 <bballantine> thanks, I'll give it a try
Nov 29 20:57:46 <pupnik> most people report no recovery though
Nov 29 20:57:46 <mikanoza> Angel, is your last name Roman?
Nov 29 20:58:22 <angelr> Yep, whats ur last name?
Nov 29 20:58:31 <mikanoza> I am Mike Anoza
Nov 29 20:59:06 <angelr> Sorry mike, i dont know you
Nov 29 20:59:31 <bballantine> I've had it for a while so it's probably too late to send it back if I can't recover it...
Nov 29 20:59:40 <angelr> Pupnik thank you for the help, ill give it a go.
Nov 29 21:00:39 <bballantine> Yeah, thanks guys.
Nov 29 21:08:45 <vandenoever> hi guys, i'm looking to buying an n8[01]0
Nov 29 21:08:46 <vandenoever> i'd love to port my search app to it
Nov 29 21:10:11 <vandenoever> will there be an opportunity for developers to get a rebate on the n810?
Nov 29 21:10:11 <vandenoever> the keyboard would be great, but the 190 euro price difference is rather high
Nov 29 21:10:37 <lardman> vandenoever: the developer discounts have already been allocated
Nov 29 21:10:39 <bballantine> anger & pupnik, I just put the battery back in (after having it out for about 5mins) and the problem persists.  Imma take it out and leave it out for a while, but I'm not optimistic.  Thanks anyway.
Nov 29 21:10:44 <vandenoever> hi guys, i'm looking to buying an n8[01]0
Nov 29 21:10:46 <vandenoever> i'd love to port my search app to it
Nov 29 21:10:48 <vandenoever> will there be an opportunity for developers to get a rebate on the n810?
Nov 29 21:10:50 <vandenoever> the keyboard would be great, but the 190 euro price difference is rather high
Nov 29 21:11:00 <lardman> vandenoever: are you a bot?
Nov 29 21:13:56 <angelr> Vandenoever the keyboard is great. I can now use shortcuts in my applications and the terminal. It makes sshing into machines bareable. As a matter of fact im on this chatroom on the N810. I love it.
Nov 29 21:14:45 * pupnik shuffles back and forth in the shadows
Nov 29 21:14:58 <angelr> Oopps bearable .. Maybe the keyboard isnt the best ;)
Nov 29 21:16:21 <pupnik> Thu Nov 29 21:14:29 UTC 2007
Nov 29 21:18:00 <lardman> pupnik: thanks, I was wondering where I'd put my watch...:)
Nov 29 21:26:14 * qnr just sticks to his N800 & BT iPAQ keyboard he found in a clearance bin for $6 US
Nov 29 21:31:09 <halley> I found a RadioShack that was dumping $100 Motorola BT stereo hubs for $20 each.
Nov 29 21:57:51 <jeff1f> halley:in store or online?
Nov 29 21:59:25 <halley> It was in a store in the mall, I think the manager hated product that nobody understood.
Nov 29 22:01:17 <jeff1f> if it company wide, I might stop in!
Nov 29 22:01:27 <halley> Worth a check. :)
Nov 29 22:31:23 <jeff1f> So does the remote on the n810 headset control track foward/reverse?
Nov 29 22:36:04 <Palintheus> anyone have any suggestions on phones to get, at&t service, that I would sometimes tether for internet to a N8x0?
Nov 29 22:36:15 <Palintheus> non-pda type
Nov 29 22:36:29 <pupnik> good question
Nov 29 22:36:47 <pupnik> maybe ITT search would help
Nov 29 22:36:50 <pupnik> tethering?
Nov 29 22:36:54 <pupnik> tether?
Nov 29 22:37:31 <Palintheus> searched a bit, mostly found bb, or other higher priced suggestions
Nov 29 22:37:57 <Palintheus> tether, use for a modem when no wifi avail
Nov 29 22:43:01 <Palintheus> and can't find any info on newer phones on itt (nokia 6555, samsung a737
Nov 29 22:51:02 <doublec> Palintheus: I use a Nokia N73. It works fine with the N800.
Nov 29 22:51:33 <zerojay> Palintheus: I have both of those phones at work, I believe.
Nov 29 22:51:42 <zerojay> Palintheus: I can check it for you tomorrow.
Nov 29 22:52:46 <Palintheus> that would be great...trying to catch the sales att is having on their phones, and trying to plan for when I get my N8x0(still haven't decided between the 800 or 810)
Nov 29 22:53:36 <zerojay> Well, I can't promise that the providers here would have the exact same options.
Nov 29 22:53:45 <zerojay> But I'll let you know if I still have them.
Nov 29 22:54:04 <zerojay> I know we had the prereleases a few months ago.
Nov 29 22:55:08 <Palintheus> well if the phone will connect Im sure I can use at&t's date service, just want to make sure the phone will work without much work, unless its the provider I should be worried about
Nov 29 22:57:10 <zerojay> Well, some providers disable certain features.
Nov 29 22:58:00 <Palintheus> Ive not seen any issues or complaints on the forums with AT&T/Cingular
Nov 29 22:58:36 <pupnik> duno
Nov 29 23:00:45 <Palintheus> ::shrug:: will probably just end up getting the cheapest one that has bluetooth, 3g, and a decent review on phonescoop
Nov 29 23:07:12 <inz> ohmygod, someone broke youtube
Nov 29 23:09:48 <jeff1f> Palintheus, if you get it all sorted out, be sure to make a post on itt about it
Nov 29 23:10:31 <Palintheus> will do
Nov 29 23:12:13 <pupnik> here, product porn that can compete with N810 http://vmpseurope.com/news.htm  - best speaker bargains under $10,000
Nov 29 23:14:12 <oever> pupnik: no fibonacci based speakers?
Nov 29 23:14:54 <pupnik> you referring to B^W nautilus?
Nov 29 23:15:53 <pupnik> they are addressing a problem that these VMPSes do not have
Nov 29 23:19:56 <oever> pupnik: yeah, i like the looks of those speakers (and the sound)
Nov 29 23:20:40 <pupnik> well cheap speakers have gotten a lot better since .. 1993 when i was heavily into this stuff :)
Nov 29 23:21:09 <pupnik> but if i can get a chance, i will set up a VMPS listening room - and charge 50 euro an hour or something
Nov 29 23:22:41 <oever> pupnik: what's vmps?
Nov 29 23:23:11 <oever> ah, found it
Nov 29 23:23:13 <pupnik> a speaker designer who made his mark in the 80s
Nov 29 23:23:16 <oever> ribbons speakers
Nov 29 23:23:19 <pupnik> with phase-aligned drivers
Nov 29 23:23:25 <oever> electrostatic stuff i guess
Nov 29 23:23:35 <pupnik> then he found a ribbon that was better than the competition in 2002
Nov 29 23:23:38 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe, my Axioms suite me well enough for now.
Nov 29 23:23:59 <pupnik> got a link GeneralAntilles ?
Nov 29 23:24:16 <GeneralAntilles> http://axiomaudio.com/
Nov 29 23:24:33 <GeneralAntilles> http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/igobtkb.jpg
Nov 29 23:24:39 <GeneralAntilles> You can see the bottom of one of them there. ;)
Nov 29 23:25:16 <pupnik> i wish i were a speaker dealer sometimes
Nov 29 23:25:41 <pupnik> hehe
Nov 29 23:25:49 <oever> i think nautilus is expensive, no?
Nov 29 23:26:02 <pupnik> yes
Nov 29 23:26:22 <oever> pupnik: 10k?
Nov 29 23:26:24 <pupnik> i am such an IDIOT for spending thousands on computers and not on good speakers
Nov 29 23:26:43 <pupnik> VMPS range from 1600-23000 USD
Nov 29 23:27:08 * oever drops jaw
Nov 29 23:27:49 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, but speakers like that will last you about forever.
Nov 29 23:28:27 <pupnik> those axioms have some good drivers
Nov 29 23:28:59 <GeneralAntilles> I haven't heard anything better for the price.
Nov 29 23:29:03 <pupnik> friend of mine loved spicas, another loved bnw bookshelves
Nov 29 23:29:04 <pupnik> nice
Nov 29 23:29:06 * DRoBeR is away: out of order
Nov 29 23:29:39 <pupnik> i never had really good speakers - just some event 20/20 monitors (which had impressive performance)
Nov 29 23:29:59 <oever> i've some nice jambo ones atm
Nov 29 23:30:21 <oever> they're already about 15 years old
Nov 29 23:30:51 <GeneralAntilles> I need a better receiver at this point.
Nov 29 23:31:09 <GeneralAntilles> Got a 500-series Onkyo. It's not bad, but a little on the weak side.
Nov 29 23:32:22 <pupnik> got myself two pair adcom gfa 565 monoblocks :)
Nov 29 23:32:34 <pupnik> you can arc-weld with those amps :)
Nov 29 23:32:59 <GeneralAntilles> Haha
Nov 29 23:33:14 <GeneralAntilles> I'll be getting a Mac Pro before I do any audio upgrades, though.
Nov 29 23:37:05 <pupnik> right now i just have little 3 inch computer monitors - really SICK of no hi-end audio scene over here
Nov 29 23:37:12 <pupnik> in this little puddle of a town
Nov 29 23:37:31 <GeneralAntilles> Time to take out a small-business loan. :P
Nov 29 23:38:39 <zerojay> Jablet's got over 250 accounts now.
Nov 29 23:38:50 <zerojay> I'm half considering doing that. ;P
Nov 29 23:40:58 <GeneralAntilles> Speaking of which.
Nov 29 23:41:07 * GeneralAntilles hands zerojay some virtual dollars.
Nov 29 23:41:12 <zerojay> Hah.
Nov 29 23:41:18 <zerojay> Monopoly money. :)
Nov 29 23:45:22 <pupnik> yeah these euros are harder to print
Nov 29 23:48:56 <zerojay> GeneralAntilles: Oh, man.. thank you very much.
Nov 29 23:49:12 <GeneralAntilles> Sure thing.
Nov 29 23:49:19 <GeneralAntilles> We'll call it my service fee for 12 months. :P
Nov 29 23:49:26 <zerojay> Haha.. sounds good. :)
Nov 29 23:49:37 <zerojay> I can't get at it though, unfortunately.
Nov 29 23:49:52 <zerojay> I think Tex has to connect it to a bank account before anything can be touched.
Nov 29 23:50:03 <GeneralAntilles> Haha
Nov 29 23:50:07 <zerojay> I don't know, I pretty much leave that end of things to him.
Nov 29 23:50:09 <GeneralAntilles> You can look, but not touch!
Nov 29 23:50:15 <zerojay> Such a tease. lol
Nov 29 23:50:58 <zerojay> No, I'm not.
Nov 29 23:51:02 <zerojay> Or your bot either.
Nov 30 00:07:05 <lopz> re
Nov 30 00:29:36 <corevette> i just installed os2007 HE and it keeps crashing, is there  a program or something i can do to make it stop?
Nov 30 00:30:53 <pupnik> the OS?
Nov 30 00:30:54 <_Monkey> the os is the thing that gets apps into the problem in the first place, and the only thing it can do to deal with it is go around shooting things
Nov 30 00:30:56 <pupnik> or browser
Nov 30 00:30:56 <_Monkey> browser is open sources
Nov 30 00:31:01 <pupnik> STFU MONKEY
Nov 30 00:31:13 <GeneralAntilles> He really needs a trigger.
Nov 30 00:31:15 <corevette> so what should i do
Nov 30 00:31:29 <pupnik> I need a gun
Nov 30 00:31:56 <pupnik> ok script monkey fuck time is coming up real soon now
Nov 30 00:32:10 <pupnik> every god damn word in the dictionary is getting unlearned bitch ass bot
Nov 30 00:32:19 <pupnik> sorry corevette - when does it crash?
Nov 30 00:32:33 <corevette> browsing the web mostly pupnik
Nov 30 00:33:03 <pupnik> you have a new version of 2007he?
Nov 30 00:33:12 <pupnik> there was a memory leak that got fixed 3 weeks ago
Nov 30 00:33:14 <corevette> yes pupnik
Nov 30 00:33:23 <corevette> how do i tell which is latest and which version i have
Nov 30 00:33:39 <pupnik> the filename you flashed
Nov 30 00:34:29 <corevette> SU-18_2006SE_3.2006.49-2_PR_MR0
Nov 30 00:34:31 <corevette> what is latest
Nov 30 00:34:42 <corevette> wait
Nov 30 00:34:43 <corevette> SU-18_2007HACKER_4.2007.45-1_PR_F5_MR0_ARM
Nov 30 00:37:01 <corevette> pupnik: wheri s latest versiON
Nov 30 00:37:20 <pupnik> i dunno
Nov 30 00:38:00 <pupnik> _Monkey: forget a
Nov 30 00:38:00 <_Monkey> pupnik, I didn't have anything matching a
Nov 30 00:38:04 <pupnik> _Monkey: forget b
Nov 30 00:38:05 <_Monkey> pupnik, I didn't have anything matching b
Nov 30 00:38:06 <pupnik> _Monkey: forget c
Nov 30 00:38:07 <_Monkey> pupnik: I forgot c
Nov 30 00:38:08 <pupnik> _Monkey: forget d
Nov 30 00:38:08 <_Monkey> pupnik: I forgot d
Nov 30 00:38:09 <pupnik> _Monkey: forget e
Nov 30 00:38:10 <_Monkey> pupnik, I didn't have anything matching e
Nov 30 00:38:11 <pupnik> _Monkey: forget f
Nov 30 00:38:11 <_Monkey> pupnik, I didn't have anything matching f
Nov 30 00:38:13 <pupnik> _Monkey: forget g
Nov 30 00:38:14 <_Monkey> pupnik, I didn't have anything matching g
Nov 30 00:38:16 <pupnik> _Monkey: forget h
Nov 30 00:38:16 <_Monkey> pupnik, I didn't have anything matching h
Nov 30 00:38:18 <pupnik> _Monkey: forget i
Nov 30 00:38:18 <_Monkey> pupnik: I forgot i
Nov 30 00:38:31 <GeneralAntilles> j. ;)
Nov 30 00:38:33 <pupnik> _Monkey: I is <reply>
Nov 30 00:38:33 <_Monkey> OK, pupnik.
Nov 30 00:38:43 <pupnik> FUCKHEAD BOT
Nov 30 00:40:26 <pupnik> nobody
Nov 30 00:40:27 <_Monkey> i guess nobody is outgoing.  they have trouble making friends themselves if they move
Nov 30 00:40:33 <pupnik> FUCK HEAD BOT
Nov 30 00:40:39 <pupnik> YOU ARE GOD DAMN GOING DOWN
Nov 30 00:41:04 <pupnik> who did this thing
Nov 30 00:41:06 <pupnik> timeless?
Nov 30 00:41:07 <_Monkey> timeless is probably the microb architect
Nov 30 00:41:08 <pupnik> milhouse?
Nov 30 00:41:09 <_Monkey> milhouse is the owner of _monkey
Nov 30 00:41:14 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe
Nov 30 00:41:14 <pupnik> there we go
Nov 30 00:41:36 <pupnik>  217.155.26.15
Nov 30 00:43:31 <corevette> pupnik: ping
Nov 30 00:44:11 <corevette> should i use: "2nd FIASCO image of the OS 2007 Hacker Edition for Nokia 770 Internet Tablets" or the "LATEST FIASCO image of the OS 2007 Hacker Edition for Nokia 770 Internet Tablets"
Nov 30 00:50:32 <pupnik> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12489
Nov 30 00:50:38 <pupnik> vote in ITT poll
Nov 30 00:52:05 <GeneralAntilles> Haha
Nov 30 00:52:12 <GeneralAntilles> You're slipping, pupnik. :P
Nov 30 00:52:41 <pupnik> thanks
Nov 30 00:53:00 <pupnik> for voting
Nov 30 00:53:18 <pupnik> oh we will be annoying
Nov 30 00:53:25 <pupnik> the royal we, you understand
Nov 30 00:53:38 <pupnik> the ~schizophrenic~ we
Nov 30 00:54:51 <pupnik> _Monkey: forget monkey
Nov 30 00:54:52 <_Monkey> pupnik: I forgot monkey
Nov 30 00:56:15 <pupnik> _Monkey: monkey is an incredibly, extremely annoying bot that automatically remembers the second part of any phrase spoken in this channel that contains clauses like "is" or "are", then spits out the second part of the sentence whenever anyone in the channel mentions the words occurring before "is" or "are".  Such as the word "monkey".
Nov 30 00:56:15 <_Monkey> OK, pupnik.
Nov 30 00:56:20 <pupnik> monkey?
Nov 30 00:56:21 <_Monkey> monkey is an incredibly, extremely annoying bot that automatically remembers the second part of any phrase spoken in this channel that contains clauses like "is" or "are", then spits out the second part of the sentence whenever anyone in the channel mentions the words occurring before "is" or "are".  Such as the word "monkey".
Nov 30 00:56:31 <pupnik> _Monkey: forget monkey
Nov 30 00:56:31 <_Monkey> pupnik: I forgot monkey
Nov 30 00:57:09 <pupnik> _Monkey: monkey is an incredibly, extremely annoying bot that automatically remembers the second part of any phrase spoken in this channel that contains clauses like "is" or "are", then spits out the second part of the sentence whenever anyone in the channel mentions the words occurring before "is" or "are".  Such as the word "monkey".  PLEASE VOTE ON WHETHER YOU WANT THIS BEHAVIOR TO STOP HERE -=-->>>>>>>  >>>>>>>  >>>>>>>  http://w
Nov 30 00:57:16 <pupnik> monkey?
Nov 30 00:57:23 <pupnik> hah
Nov 30 00:57:38 <pupnik> corevette: i dunno
Nov 30 00:57:42 <Robot101> pupnik: this is more annoying than the bot ever was
Nov 30 00:57:46 <pupnik> corevette: i went back to 2006
Nov 30 00:57:54 <Robot101> pupnik: why not just ask milhouse to make it only speak when spoken to?
Nov 30 00:57:58 <pupnik> annoying is in the mind of the annoyed
Nov 30 00:57:59 <Robot101> they can be very useful
Nov 30 00:58:07 <pupnik> because many people have done so for months
Nov 30 00:58:17 <Robot101> a la, foo: tell bar about baz
Nov 30 00:58:36 <Robot101> why do you think a survey will help any? :P
Nov 30 00:58:38 <pupnik> vote in the poll!
Nov 30 00:58:59 <pupnik> multiboot?
Nov 30 00:59:00 <_Monkey> multiboot is "LILO supreme being - 5th element - protect *you*" http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_Partition_your_MMC_card
Nov 30 00:59:06 <pupnik> monkey?
Nov 30 00:59:23 <pupnik> _monkey: forget monkey
Nov 30 00:59:23 <_Monkey> pupnik, I didn't have anything matching monkey
Nov 30 00:59:47 <pupnik> _Monkey: monkey is an incredibly, extremely annoying bot that automatically remembers the second part of any phrase spoken in this channel that contains clauses like "is" or "are", then spits out the second part of the sentence whenever anyone in the channel mentions the words occurring before "is" or "are".  Such as the word "monkey".  PLEASE VOTE ON WHETHER YOU WANT THIS BEHAVIOR TO STOP HERE:  http://www.internettablettalk.com/for
Nov 30 00:59:48 <_Monkey> that entry is too long, pupnik
Nov 30 00:59:48 <_Monkey> OK, pupnik.
Nov 30 01:00:05 <pupnik> _Monkey: monkey is an incredibly, extremely annoying bot that automatically remembers the second part of any phrase spoken in this channel that contains clauses like "is" or "are", then spits out the second part of the sentence whenever anyone in the channel mentions the words occurring before "is" or "are".  Such as the word "monkey".  VOTE TO STOP THIS HERE:  http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12489
Nov 30 01:00:05 <_Monkey> i'm sorry, but that entry is too long, pupnik
Nov 30 01:00:05 <_Monkey> OK, pupnik.
Nov 30 01:00:47 <pupnik> _Monkey: monkey is an extremely annoying bot that automatically remembers the second part of any phrase spoken in this channel that contains clauses like "is" or "are", then spits out the second part of the sentence whenever anyone in the channel mentions any stored keyword - such as the word "monkey".  VOTE TO STOP THIS HERE:  http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12489
Nov 30 01:00:48 <_Monkey> OK, pupnik.
Nov 30 01:16:32 <zerojay> pupnik: Hell yeah.
Nov 30 01:16:43 <penguinbait> cdroms anyone?
Nov 30 01:16:44 <zerojay> change bot?
Nov 30 01:16:45 <_Monkey> zerojay: that doesn't look right
Nov 30 01:16:47 <penguinbait> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12491&goto=newpost
Nov 30 01:17:03 <zerojay> Awww.. it didn't crash.
Nov 30 01:17:06 <zerojay> Damn it.
Nov 30 01:17:10 <zerojay> change life?
Nov 30 01:17:10 <_Monkey> zerojay: that doesn't look right
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