**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Nov 30 02:59:57 2007 Nov 30 03:01:11 how do i connect my 770 to my computer via vncviewer? Nov 30 03:11:18 install x11vnc and connect Nov 30 03:22:48 GeneralAntilles: is the vnc-server available for os2008 yet? if it is, on which repository? Nov 30 03:22:58 Just pull it from the bora repo Nov 30 03:23:01 it works fine. Nov 30 03:23:13 It does? Nov 30 03:23:34 http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/n800.html Nov 30 03:23:37 The proof. ;) Nov 30 03:29:24 hmm. I just can find vncviewer, not the server Nov 30 03:31:28 http://mike.saunby.googlepages.com/x11vncfornokia7702 Nov 30 03:36:44 how difficult is the port to os2008? If its not too hard would someone beable to complete pwsafe-1.2 for it? Its the one app stopping me from going to the new os on my n800. Nov 30 03:37:30 GeneralAntilles: big thanks. it does work Nov 30 03:39:10 I have the feeling that my scratchbox installation is botched (my fault), and I want to reinstall it from scratch... is there a recommended procedure to uninstalll scratchbox (I installed it through the script) Nov 30 03:43:16 Well, the N810 "map" app is nowhere near as polished as a Garmin, but it does have a lot better data than my 10 year old unit. Nov 30 03:44:01 I thought running the screen for a 45min drive would drain the battery to nothing, too. Nov 30 03:44:39 It's hard to compete with a Garmin. Nov 30 03:44:47 The Nuvis are some pretty hot shit these days. Nov 30 03:45:26 Agreed, though I don't give a crap about the point-to-point-turn-here-drive-two-miles-turn-there features. Nov 30 03:45:44 Ha Nov 30 03:45:47 I just want to be able to *effortlessly* mark where I am, and then tell it which marks I want to approach. Nov 30 03:46:49 The Garmin is good at that, this map software has a long way to go. It required several presses to save a new mark (not counting the typing). Nov 30 03:51:44 One bug in the map software; if I disable the GPS, it starts asking every 10sec "Do you want to enable GPS? [OK] [Cancel]" no matter what I'm doing. Nov 30 04:06:18 hey guys.. still looking for ruby-dbus download for n800.. anyone know of a site? Nov 30 04:07:36 or a good libconic tutorial for n800 Nov 30 05:07:36 is samba Nov 30 05:07:50 samba is Nov 30 05:08:07 hmm... okay... is there a samba client for os2007 hacker edition? Nov 30 06:49:59 do you think it would be possible to create my desktop resolution on my pc the same as my 770 so when I use vnc, it loads exactly what is on the screen? Nov 30 06:50:47 without scrolling Nov 30 07:24:01 Night folks Nov 30 07:49:01 Hi, I have question on GPS Navicore for n770 Nov 30 07:50:00 I would like use module bluetooth an software naviore on n800 instead of n770 Nov 30 07:50:21 is what it works? Nov 30 07:56:58 ptit_seb, what's this thing you call "n770"? Nov 30 07:57:41 Also: yes. Nov 30 07:58:23 I call n770, the Nokia Tablet n770 Nov 30 07:58:39 There's no such thing as an "n770" Nov 30 07:58:43 There's a 770. Nov 30 07:58:46 But no "n770" Nov 30 07:59:36 The bundled GPS unit will work on any of the Nokia ITs (770/N800/N810) Nov 30 07:59:37 ok Nov 30 07:59:39 sorry ;) Nov 30 08:00:29 I'm not sure about moving the software license Nov 30 08:00:44 but I'm fairly certain it'll be usable with the new bundled Map application in OS2008. Nov 30 08:01:19 even if the OS differs (OS2006 for 770 and OS2007 for n800...) Nov 30 08:01:38 The bluetooth GPS unit will work with anything Nov 30 08:01:39 wow. video calling with gizmo on the n800/n810! Nov 30 08:01:50 The software is available for both the 770 and the N800 Nov 30 08:02:00 and the licenses should work on both. Nov 30 08:02:06 has anyone here used Nokia LD-3W GPS with "mapper"? Nov 30 08:02:17 It will work fine, dhr. Nov 30 08:02:27 wow -- just as I was typing my query, GPS comes up in discussion! Nov 30 08:02:27 with skype 2.0 beta video calling for linux we might even get two programs who perform good video calling Nov 30 08:03:09 I'm trying to use "mapper", the variant of maemo-mapper meant for Open Street Map Nov 30 08:03:21 It does not seem to see the GPS unit. Nov 30 08:03:37 OK, it is by the fact that I have one 770 with GPS and I like to buy one n800 (not n810) but not to buy a second time GPS! Nov 30 08:04:21 I have the navcore software, but for the wrong continent :-). It seems to see the GPS (more lights blink on the GPS with navcore than anything else). Nov 30 08:05:29 with a lot of work, mapper can get into a mode saying "searching for GPS". But it doesn't yet find it. Nov 30 08:08:13 There may be an option under prefs, dhr. Nov 30 08:08:16 What OS are you running? Nov 30 08:08:55 I know there was some issue with earlier builds of 2.0 not acquiring GPS Nov 30 08:09:00 if mapper is some kind of fork Nov 30 08:09:04 it may not have the patches Nov 30 08:09:16 Should you be able to use maemo mapper with OSM with the main branch? Nov 30 08:09:40 OS2207 Nov 30 08:09:51 sorry OS2007 Nov 30 08:10:41 I'm using http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/User:Onion/Mapper Nov 30 08:10:58 My OS is 2006. Nov 30 08:11:54 Interesting Nov 30 08:12:01 mapper I can't help with Nov 30 08:12:08 I have some bluetooth applet (I don't know the correct term) installed with an icon in the top right bar. Nov 30 08:12:24 OS2006 is older than I remember clearly. Nov 30 08:12:27 OK, I'll remove mapper and try maemo-mapper. Nov 30 08:12:39 I don't recall if I used a 3rd party bluetooth plugin or not. Nov 30 08:13:11 what OS do you recommend for a 770? Nov 30 08:15:04 Right now? Probably OS2006 Nov 30 08:15:30 the bluetooth plugin package is called maemo-bt-plugin (I just checked) Nov 30 08:18:57 GeneralAntilles: my application manager offers me maemo-mapper 1.3.5 -- is that too old? You mentioned 2.0 Nov 30 08:19:17 Seems like it should be 1.4.2 or 4.3 Nov 30 08:19:22 2.0 is OS2007 or better Nov 30 08:19:31 Check maemo mapper's website. Nov 30 08:21:25 It looks as if 2.x can run on os2006. Is that a wise choice? Nov 30 08:21:33 Yes and no Nov 30 08:21:33 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/maemo-mapper/ Nov 30 08:21:38 Yes, because it's fucking awesome. Nov 30 08:21:48 and no, because it's a little slower than 1.x Nov 30 08:22:00 Though it gives you about a 50% storage savings with map caching. Nov 30 08:22:20 we want to get something up for creating OSM maps. A mapping weekend here. Nov 30 08:25:48 so, anyone know when libglade stuff will be fixed? :/ Nov 30 08:29:01 Any luck pulling the bora edition? Nov 30 08:36:56 bye Nov 30 08:38:41 this is painful for a newbie. maemo-mapper requires libsqlite3. applications manager only offers me sqlite0. How is one supposed to find what repos are prudent to include? Nov 30 08:39:44 http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php?lang=en&system=maemo2 Nov 30 08:39:48 Searchable and everything Nov 30 08:43:49 now I'm really confused. I have eko.one.pl enabled and it has libsqlite3. So why does application manager not offer it? Nov 30 08:44:47 because it's a library and you're not in red pill mode Nov 30 08:45:02 It should resolve it, though. Nov 30 08:45:13 refresh the repos and try installing maemo mapper. Nov 30 08:47:44 well, it didn't offer me a nice version of maemo-mapper so I downloaded it and used dpkg -i. I tried to specify the .deb to application manager but its file selector could not see /home/user/... Nov 30 08:48:21 apt-get install libsqlite3 wont work? Nov 30 08:48:46 "apt-get install libsqlite3" didn't work either. Nov 30 08:48:54 Huh Nov 30 08:48:59 Well, red-pill isn't a bad place to start Nov 30 08:49:02 Add a new repo Nov 30 08:49:09 type in "matrix" in the URL field Nov 30 08:49:12 then hit cancel Nov 30 08:49:17 and select the red pill. Nov 30 08:49:23 wow! Nov 30 08:49:50 Then try the apt-get install again. Nov 30 08:50:49 You know what I don't miss? OS2005. Nov 30 08:52:31 still doesn't work. I had better stare at my repo declarations. Nov 30 08:53:30 http://eko.one.pl/maemo/dists/mistral/user/binary-armel/libsqlite3-0_3.3.8-1_armel.deb Nov 30 08:53:32 How about that? Nov 30 08:54:44 right. That was what I was saying earlier. Nov 30 08:58:29 anything obviously wrong here?: http://pastebin.ca/802471 Nov 30 08:59:33 some URLs end in / and some do not. Does that matter? Nov 30 09:00:26 No, not as far as I've ever been able to tell. Nov 30 09:00:32 It'd bitch at you if there were a problem. Nov 30 09:01:52 there are mysteries. A couple of hours ago, application manager complained that it could not get to a particular IPv6 IP address. Nov 30 09:11:56 now in needs libgpsmgr. gronmayer says that is only in maemo garage, for gregale. Does that mean I cannot use it? Nov 30 09:12:16 Hi guys :) Nov 30 09:13:20 * dhr goes to bed. Very late (4:15 AM here). Nov 30 09:26:29 bon dia / good morning Nov 30 09:26:36 maemo.org is behaving weird Nov 30 09:26:46 maemo.org sucks. ;) Nov 30 09:28:48 anyone can comment on Laika (the eclipse plugin for maemo) ? Im about to port one of my gtk programs to meamo and Im trying to figure out the best way Nov 30 09:29:16 in what language is your app written?> Nov 30 09:29:44 c Nov 30 09:33:20 I don't know any users of that plugin Nov 30 09:34:09 the development seems outdated, it only talks about N770 and no changes since 2006 Nov 30 09:34:17 guess not the best option Nov 30 09:39:15 * timeless sighs Nov 30 09:39:17 * timeless *hates* svn Nov 30 09:39:28 would someone please tell me a safe way to get svn not to do recursive locking? Nov 30 09:41:46 I could tell you an unsafe way. Nov 30 09:42:18 i'm listening Nov 30 09:42:24 OK, get yourself a hammer. Nov 30 09:42:50 go one Nov 30 09:42:52 go on Nov 30 09:43:06 Now beat the server for about 5 minutes. Nov 30 09:43:09 You should be set. ;) Nov 30 09:43:29 server's on the wrong side of at least one ocean Nov 30 09:43:38 can you provide the plane tickets too? Nov 30 09:44:06 timeless: depending on wich side of the ocean I can do it for you Nov 30 09:44:08 I could tell you how to get them. Nov 30 09:44:30 hugolp: i think the box in question is in some secure hosting area Nov 30 09:44:52 First, you need that hammer again. Nov 30 09:44:58 Then find a ticket agent. Nov 30 09:57:00 Hi ! Nov 30 10:02:58 damnit, i think my laptop's hdd is done... Nov 30 10:13:49 Who to I bitch to about the braindead backlight brightness controls? Nov 30 10:14:00 Why did they have to go and make the darkest setting super-bright? Nov 30 10:29:08 my battery life is awaful since the switch to beta 2008 is this known? Nov 30 10:29:17 I oculd leave it on idle for about 3-4 days Nov 30 10:29:25 it didn't even last a day now on 2008 Nov 30 10:40:05 My guess is that you've got something running away Nov 30 10:40:07 RSS applet? Nov 30 10:40:08 <_Monkey> RSS applet is useless Nov 30 10:40:21 _Monkey forget rss applet Nov 30 10:40:22 <_Monkey> GeneralAntilles: I forgot rss applet Nov 30 10:40:44 _Monkey RSS applet is a CPU hog Nov 30 10:40:44 <_Monkey> OK, GeneralAntilles. Nov 30 10:42:32 But really, rocco, the best answer is to just plug it in when you're at home and not using it. Nov 30 10:42:48 Really? Nov 30 10:42:58 i just hate doing that to batteries Nov 30 10:43:06 I know Lions are supposed to be ok with it Nov 30 10:43:10 old habits die hard Nov 30 10:43:15 there is no rss applet Nov 30 10:44:26 In truth, discharging the battery down to nothing all the time actually does a LOT more harm than anything else you could do (minus shorting it or leaving it in a hot car for a few days) Nov 30 10:45:39 oh i know that Nov 30 10:45:46 I never go down to less than 2 bars Nov 30 10:45:50 I was just suprised Nov 30 10:45:58 i used to get about 6 hours constant use Nov 30 10:46:04 I use it about 15-30 a day Nov 30 10:46:18 and it used to be left on all the time, and lasted about 4 days normally...and only went down to 2 bars Nov 30 10:46:25 I'm still sticking to the runaway idea. Nov 30 10:46:46 Also, have your connection habits changed? Nov 30 10:47:14 no Nov 30 10:47:26 the only thing I did do was enable usb host mode, but didn't use it Nov 30 10:47:33 well only for a few seconds Nov 30 10:47:39 plugged in a usb stick and copied a few files Nov 30 10:47:44 then unmounted and disconnected Nov 30 10:50:37 Well, here's an incredibly unscientific test: Nov 30 10:50:59 open up xterm and leave the device idle for a few seconds Nov 30 10:51:08 then run: cat /proc/cpuinfo Nov 30 10:51:09 rocco on the n800 I never had more then max a few hours use Nov 30 10:51:40 If I don't put it on the wall power all the time it's always empty(even overnight) Nov 30 10:51:51 keesj, wow Nov 30 10:51:56 mine was awesome Nov 30 10:52:13 I got 4-ish hours of video flying out to California for thanksgiving on OS2008 Nov 30 10:52:16 I als have a 770 and that worked like you described, it was more like a phone and just kept running Nov 30 10:52:32 on one battery? Nov 30 10:52:33 and about 5 hours of browsing at my layover in atlanta Nov 30 10:52:47 So, my battery life hasn't really changed from OS2007 Nov 30 10:52:54 Yeah Nov 30 10:53:00 I brought 3 with me Nov 30 10:53:02 perhaps it's the wifi/gmail that hogs? Nov 30 10:53:40 Hi! I run os2008 on n800 and experience that i can not unlock the screen. Second time now. It says press (i) and then # (enter button in the cross). It does not react when i press the # then, like the button was defective. Now i have to remove the battery because i cant do anything else. Nov 30 10:53:46 i always turn off my wifi when not in use Nov 30 10:53:49 only changed it out once when I forgot to charge the morning before I left to come back. Nov 30 10:53:59 It's a known bug, sven-tek. Nov 30 10:54:03 ok Nov 30 10:54:18 Vote here: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2311 Nov 30 10:55:15 cool there is a camera trick Nov 30 10:55:24 cool idea Nov 30 10:56:37 Also, if anybody wants to get the lowest brightness setting back: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=102480#post102480 Nov 30 11:00:01 seems to be freq scaling ok Nov 30 11:01:34 Then maybe wifi. Nov 30 11:08:32 * ccooke notes that his n810 "should" arrive today. Which means if it does, I'll not be at home. Damn. Nov 30 11:09:05 Call in sick. ;) Nov 30 11:09:11 Oh, can we order them now? Nov 30 11:09:32 GeneralAntilles: it's my last day at this job. :-) Nov 30 11:09:39 Ha Nov 30 11:09:50 murrayc: I ordered mine on the 1st of November, IIRC Nov 30 11:10:10 ooh. They are actually now in stock at the place I ordered them Nov 30 11:10:22 yay - the one day nobody is going to be home all day, I'm expecting a delivery Nov 30 11:10:25 Perfect :-) Nov 30 11:10:36 Got a safe place for the driver to drop it? Nov 30 11:10:38 still not in the UK Nokia shop though :( Nov 30 11:10:42 Leave a note and your cell number. ;) Nov 30 11:10:43 They aren't in the Nokia online shop for Germany yet. Nov 30 11:10:51 http://www.superetrader.co.uk/product_info.php?gad=CMDIu8kDEgg-s_Nh2Zr1URiY3OT-AyCY9p4z&products_id=2974&s=p Nov 30 11:11:06 (although the price has gone up a bit since I ordered) Nov 30 11:11:22 you can definitely get them cheaper Nov 30 11:12:16 <[pablo]> I never thought living in the states would be a benefit heh Nov 30 11:12:44 [pablo]: the UK has always been a bit overpriced for electronics Nov 30 11:13:00 <[pablo]> i didn't think it was that much Nov 30 11:13:15 <[pablo]> that's about $220 USD more than I paid for mine Nov 30 11:13:26 which is why I was very interested to note the companies that will let you rent a US postal address - one with a web interface, allowing you to ship anything that arrives there at very nice rates. Nov 30 11:13:51 <[pablo]> thats a pretty good idea Nov 30 11:14:23 I could get a macbook pro ordered in the US, shipped to the UK. Even including all the customs charges, I'd save about $1000 Nov 30 11:14:34 <[pablo]> wow Nov 30 11:14:44 (the price difference is about $1500. $500 is eaten by shipping and customs) Nov 30 11:15:15 ccooke, wow Nov 30 11:15:25 and it's all legal? Nov 30 11:15:58 rocco: yes. You rent the address, you have to send a form off to the USPS which registers you with them. Nov 30 11:16:09 cool Nov 30 11:16:17 I found one company by accident, but a quick search found another four Nov 30 11:16:28 there's actually a working business model with competition. Nov 30 11:16:53 cool Nov 30 11:18:04 get a flight over for $500 Nov 30 11:18:21 http://www.usabox.com/ - I don't remember if this is the best of them Nov 30 11:18:31 lardman: then possibly get stung by customs on the way in... Nov 30 11:18:42 perhaps... Nov 30 11:18:46 :) Nov 30 11:19:14 <[pablo]> if you open it up they have no way of knowing you didn't leave with it do they? Nov 30 11:19:18 http://www.myus.com/ - this one has a rate calculator. Nice stuff. Nov 30 11:29:42 hi there. Nov 30 11:30:05 <|tbb|> anyone knows where to get become root as deb file for n800 os2008, the wiki on ITT for os-application that works, doesnt work. Nov 30 11:32:12 <[pablo]> |tbb|: Eko One repo has the becomeroot package Nov 30 11:32:25 <[pablo]> works on OS2008 for n810 Nov 30 11:33:37 <|tbb|> plz post the repro Nov 30 11:34:07 <[pablo]> |tbb|: http://gronmayer.com/it/ and search for 'becomeroot' Nov 30 11:34:08 hi bedboi Nov 30 11:34:23 hey florian Nov 30 11:41:36 <|tbb|> is someone around who using succesfully a bt stereo-headset with a2dp on a n800 os2008? Nov 30 11:41:53 <|tbb|> [pablo]: thx Nov 30 11:42:39 No A2DP support under OS2008 yet. Nov 30 11:43:48 <|tbb|> no hack around? Nov 30 11:46:46 <[pablo]> not that I have seen Nov 30 11:47:23 Kagu Nov 30 11:47:37 hi all, I am new here, I am reading about how to build my own kernel for the n800 Nov 30 11:47:37 Anybody getting fairly frequent desktop crashes under the new beta? Nov 30 11:48:20 I just want to make sure I understand: is the nokia provided kernel open? where may I see the source? Nov 30 11:52:01 <|tbb|> GeneralAntilles: the hack which is described for os 2007 works for 2008? Nov 30 11:52:11 As far as I know. Nov 30 11:52:40 niv_one_three: giyf? http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/r/rx-34-kernel/ Nov 30 11:53:15 (ok, the link google turned up was to the bora variant, but... :) Nov 30 11:54:01 * sp3000 is only a linkbot though and doesn't know anything beyond that Nov 30 11:54:19 sp3000 thanks Nov 30 12:10:40 hmmm my n800 just rebooted Nov 30 12:10:44 it was doing nothing Nov 30 12:10:49 and suddenly just went Nov 30 12:11:29 it's not getting enough attention Nov 30 12:12:00 rocco, evidently the hardware watchdog decided that something was hung. ;) Nov 30 12:12:05 rocco: using ad-hoc wlan networks? Nov 30 12:17:09 monkey? Nov 30 12:17:09 <_Monkey> monkey is an extremely annoying bot that automatically remembers the second part of any phrase spoken in this channel that contains clauses like "is" or "are", then spits out the second part of the sentence whenever anyone in the channel mentions any stored keyword - such as the word "monkey". VOTE TO STOP THIS HERE: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12489 Nov 30 12:18:21 very odd Nov 30 12:23:58 milhouse: what's your opinion of _Monkey? Nov 30 12:24:41 lardman: It's his bot, so what do you think he thinks of it? :) Nov 30 12:24:47 gobbling up unaddressed factoids isn't a problem with a single-channel bot Nov 30 12:24:58 spewing factoids unaddressed is :) Nov 30 12:25:57 I was just asking if he agrees that it should only speak when spoken to Nov 30 12:26:02 was going to ask at least Nov 30 12:26:07 It shouldn't be here, period. Nov 30 12:26:34 well some bots can be useful Nov 30 12:26:37 for example: Nov 30 12:26:39 ~pastebin Nov 30 12:26:40 [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste Nov 30 12:26:48 that's a useful use for a bot Nov 30 12:27:44 who made infobod? Nov 30 12:27:45 t Nov 30 12:27:46 I wonder if Monkey remembers that now Nov 30 12:27:50 pastebin? Nov 30 12:27:51 <_Monkey> hmmm... pastebin is http://maemo.pastebin.org Nov 30 12:28:01 well, that's vaguely useful Nov 30 12:28:17 No, it's not. Nov 30 12:28:17 monkey does have a lot of useful factoids now Nov 30 12:28:36 yes, just ought to be ask for them rather than randomly giving Nov 30 12:28:47 s/ask/asked Nov 30 12:29:26 agree Nov 30 12:31:01 someone know if it s possible to get all available wifi ap in python without gui ? Nov 30 12:31:23 or maybe is there a c code snippet that do that ? Nov 30 12:32:21 czr: http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/maemo/source/projects/haf/README Nov 30 12:32:25 * timeless gives up Nov 30 12:32:31 hopefully that'll get properly indexed Nov 30 12:32:45 the first attempt at indexing maemo failed (the indexer was killed by dreamhost) Nov 30 12:33:37 So I got my little hack to get songs Media Player plays to be sent to Maemoscrobbler... and it mostly works. Nov 30 12:33:38 Khertan: gconf Nov 30 12:34:31 hopefully without needing to parse bin/gconftool output... :| Nov 30 12:34:32 <|tbb|> could it be that sudo doesnt work on n800 os2008 anymore, ive installed it succesfully from the repro pupnik posted Nov 30 12:34:51 <|tbb|> now i type sudo gainroot and then it ask me for an password Nov 30 12:34:52 And then I somehow got a song called "abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ01234567890" by "stdout" reported to last.fm. wtf. Nov 30 12:35:04 zerojay: hehehe =) Nov 30 12:35:23 stdout are awesome Nov 30 12:35:28 http://www.last.fm/user/darkstalker Nov 30 12:35:43 Not quite sure how it happened. Nov 30 12:35:55 Everything else listed worked. Nov 30 12:36:06 sp3000: i don't need the know ap ... what i want is in discovering of all ap available ... Nov 30 12:36:26 ah. dunno Nov 30 12:36:27 Khertan: You'll have to do it in two passes, I believe. Nov 30 12:37:30 <|tbb|> anyone else got that problem? is the repro false? Nov 30 12:37:46 "abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ01234567890" rather sounds like a modern version of a jackson 5 song Nov 30 12:37:53 Hahaha. Nov 30 12:38:20 the kind you would find in gh3 if the videos are any indication Nov 30 12:38:23 zerojay> in two passes ... maybe ... but how ? gconf only store know ap Nov 30 12:42:25 Works fine for me, |tbb|, did you try rootme? Nov 30 12:46:05 <[pablo]> horray netsplit! Nov 30 12:51:44 nice Nov 30 12:51:53 i'm now an anonymous poster to maemo-developers Nov 30 12:57:56 grrrr stupid netsplit Nov 30 12:59:29 <|tbb|> pablo have u seen what i have posted? Nov 30 12:59:42 <[pablo]> no, what? Nov 30 13:00:05 <|tbb|> could it be that sudo gainroot doesnt work on n800 os2008 anymore, ive installed it succesfully from the repro pablo posted Nov 30 13:00:37 <[pablo]> i'm not sure, i haven't used it on an n800 =/ Nov 30 13:00:45 It works fine, |tbb| Nov 30 13:00:47 <[pablo]> in theory it should be the same though Nov 30 13:00:50 did you try 'rootme'? Nov 30 13:01:01 <|tbb|> as password? Nov 30 13:01:03 If you can't get it to work, then you're doing something wrong. :) Nov 30 13:01:07 Yes. Nov 30 13:01:38 <|tbb|> Sorry, try again Nov 30 13:02:07 Did you change the password? Nov 30 13:02:42 <|tbb|> i was using becomeroot on n770 also on n800 with Os2007, also with the image of the n810 it always was working but now it wont work Nov 30 13:03:12 Have you been muxing around with sudoers or something? Nov 30 13:03:24 (there's no such thing as an 'n770' :)) Nov 30 13:03:30 <|tbb|> ive not changed the password also the password rootme has never worked for me on any tablet i was having Nov 30 13:04:14 Interesting, it's always been rootme for me. Nov 30 13:04:23 sudo doesn't use the root password. Nov 30 13:04:46 <[pablo]> |tbb|: have you changed your users password? Nov 30 13:05:34 <[pablo]> the becomeroot package is designed to not require a password for the command though Nov 30 13:06:12 <|tbb|> no i havent Nov 30 13:06:29 <|tbb|> damn got to reflash the device, then i am for sure Nov 30 13:07:09 <|tbb|> will a backup save the installed application and settings on that os2008 Nov 30 13:07:15 <[pablo]> yes Nov 30 13:07:40 it saves the installed applications? Nov 30 13:08:16 <[pablo]> no, it saves what applications are installed, and reinstalls them Nov 30 13:08:16 <[pablo]> when you restore Nov 30 13:08:19 <[pablo]> but if you install from a .deb it wont be able to find it in the repo's Nov 30 13:08:25 <[pablo]> so you'll need to save those Nov 30 13:08:36 <|tbb|> nice Nov 30 13:08:51 <[pablo]> i just created a debs directory in the backup directory on my memory card, and saved all the apps i install straight from a deb there Nov 30 13:08:55 <[pablo]> so they are there when I restore Nov 30 13:09:04 <|tbb|> will it change the user password if i allready have changed it (what i dont have!) Nov 30 13:09:49 <[pablo]> i also ran into a small problem when restoring, it still disables maemo extras by default causing a lot of not found application and dependency conflicts, once restore finished I had to run apt-get -f install from command line before I could continue using package manager Nov 30 13:10:10 don't think so.. Nov 30 13:10:24 <[pablo]> it shouldn't save that in the backup, but i haven't tried it Nov 30 13:10:27 Anybody having trouble with the desktop crashing when waking an attached bluetooth keyboard from sleep with the OS2008 beta? Nov 30 13:10:27 It makes note of what you have installed and reinstalls them when you restore the backup. Nov 30 13:10:27 Though it does not save menu positions, so you have to give it those again. Nov 30 13:11:22 <[pablo]> GeneralAntilles: it saved manu position for some of my apps, not all of them though Nov 30 13:11:22 Didn't work that way for me, [pablo]. Nov 30 13:11:27 It did disable extras. Nov 30 13:11:40 but I didn't have any problem with reenabling it and running the restore process again. Nov 30 13:11:53 It didn't save menu position for any of mine Nov 30 13:12:38 Nor did it keep the menu positions of the bundled apps. Nov 30 13:12:53 <[pablo]> yeah those didn't keep for me either Nov 30 13:13:10 Bug 2393? Nov 30 13:13:11 <_Monkey> Bug 2393 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2393 Nov 30 13:13:16 Is the one. Nov 30 13:13:41 <[pablo]> i'd have to do it again and pay attention, but i know all of the apps that prompt you where to install it in the menu remembered where I had had them, not sure what the other ones did Nov 30 13:16:39 One of these should be resolved as duplicate, but which? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1100 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1965 Nov 30 13:18:10 <[pablo]> the first one? the second one seems to follow whatever guidelines there may be a bit better Nov 30 13:18:39 Good enough for me! Nov 30 13:20:37 * Tak blinks at the topic Nov 30 13:20:51 everybody at once: /help ignore Nov 30 13:22:33 Ha Nov 30 13:33:00 Morning, all Nov 30 13:36:43 Howdy, Jaffa. Nov 30 13:36:48 <[pablo]> morning Nov 30 13:36:49 <_Monkey> aloha Nov 30 13:36:56 <[pablo]> heh Nov 30 13:37:09 <[pablo]> he's a conversational bot now too apparently? Nov 30 13:37:59 _Monkey is many things, but 'useful' is not one of them. Nov 30 13:43:19 timeless, what's the word on the browser liking to steal focus during activity while its in the background? Nov 30 13:43:19 <[pablo]> i wonder if he stored that =P Nov 30 13:43:26 Unlikely Nov 30 13:43:29 _Monkey? Nov 30 13:43:29 <_Monkey> GeneralAntilles? Nov 30 13:43:38 <[pablo]> sad Nov 30 13:45:39 <[pablo]> is there a command line equivelant of pressing the power button and selecting lock device? Nov 30 13:47:54 <|tbb|> wow that backup tool rocks, now Nov 30 13:48:49 <|tbb|> k not really Nov 30 13:49:08 <|tbb|> if a installing progress fails it stops the whole process Nov 30 13:50:07 <|tbb|> how can i start it again, and do i have the chance to sort the order how the installing proccess should go, like 1. python 2. maemo-mapper 3....... Nov 30 13:50:14 <[pablo]> it didn't stop it for me, just prompted me to acknowledge that it did not work Nov 30 13:50:30 It's in the menu Nov 30 13:50:35 <[pablo]> main menu in application manager has a "restore application" option Nov 30 13:50:37 where refresh repos is Nov 30 13:50:48 <[pablo]> under tools Nov 30 13:50:51 <|tbb|> a k Nov 30 13:51:15 [pablo]: most likely there's a dbus command to lock the device, but dunno what it is. :) Nov 30 13:52:11 <[pablo]> the osso-statusbar-menu app allows running terminal commands from it's drop down, would be far more convenient than the power button heh Nov 30 13:52:21 <[pablo]> i shall start digging Nov 30 13:52:39 <|tbb|> when a programm is updated, will it allready download and install the updated version? Nov 30 13:53:29 <|tbb|> anyone familar with ukmp? Nov 30 13:53:44 <[pablo]> no, you have to click on check for updates, and update each app manually Nov 30 13:53:53 pablo, hint: mce-dev, dbus-send Nov 30 13:54:46 what is osso-statusbar-menu btw? Nov 30 13:55:16 <|tbb|> is vpnc only for cisco routers? Nov 30 13:56:50 <|tbb|> btw: i wonder how big is the community increase on irc in #maemo Nov 30 13:57:20 increase from what? Nov 30 13:57:32 <[pablo]> inz: a cpu/memory monitor Nov 30 13:57:43 <|tbb|> visitors instead of some years ago Nov 30 13:58:34 <[pablo]> inz: comes builtin with a 'take screenshot' option and allows you to add other commands to run from it's menu ... quite useful, although sticks out like a sore thumb in the 'tray' area Nov 30 14:04:10 Hi Nov 30 14:04:33 can sdk 3.2 and skd 4.0 live in the same computer? Nov 30 14:04:51 hugol, all SDK's can live on the same machine. Nov 30 14:05:17 alterego: thanks Nov 30 14:14:06 <[pablo]> ... /usr/share/docs/ is purged by something called docpurge? any idea how to have it not do that so I can read docs? Nov 30 14:16:02 [pablo]: apt-get remove docpurge ? Nov 30 14:16:07 hi all Nov 30 14:18:27 [pablo]: it works by installing a script under /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ and whenever you install a package it empties those certain directories Nov 30 14:19:22 <[pablo]> kaltsi: can I just download the contents of a certain package from somehwhere? Nov 30 14:19:55 [pablo]: most packages yes.. which are you interested in? Nov 30 14:20:42 <[pablo]> mce-dev Nov 30 14:21:15 http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/m/mce-dev/ Nov 30 14:21:25 <[pablo]> thank you =) Nov 30 14:21:58 that's in the SDK repository.. you can browse it with your browser http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/ like that.. not a good browsing experience however :) Nov 30 14:23:35 <|tbb|> is vpnc only for cisco routers? Nov 30 14:37:18 hola Nov 30 14:37:19 <_Monkey> hola, lopz Nov 30 15:00:04 bedboi: I have something for you... Nov 30 15:04:44 what? Nov 30 15:07:22 bedboi: Some gpe-sudoku stuff... check your GMail inbox :-) Nov 30 15:08:48 o Nov 30 15:08:49 ok Nov 30 15:55:34 hi there Nov 30 15:55:35 <_Monkey> bonjour, Segnale007 Nov 30 15:57:32 <|tbb|> anyone familar with vpnc Nov 30 16:06:15 planet dead Nov 30 16:06:23 it's the weekend :) Nov 30 16:06:38 mars already dead Nov 30 16:08:50 re Nov 30 16:09:23 I have trouble with the sdk Nov 30 16:09:40 with ffmpeg... correctly installed Nov 30 16:09:56 but gcc returns me an error Nov 30 16:10:59 is there someone who succeeds to compile for N800 a prog with use of the ffmpeg library ? Nov 30 16:16:48 rothiel: see mplayer in garage? Nov 30 16:17:18 I'm going to see that :) Nov 30 16:45:48 is there anything in particular that needs to be done for the n810 gps to work other than launching the mapping application? Nov 30 16:46:47 well, first it needs to be built, paid-for, then delivered Nov 30 16:47:01 hehe :> Nov 30 16:47:16 I think mine is defective, it's not picking up any sattelites in the status bar Nov 30 16:47:21 I tried outdoors too but not result Nov 30 16:49:22 they say it can take a few minutes Nov 30 16:49:35 yeah I left it for like 15minutes both outdoors and indoors Nov 30 16:49:39 ok Nov 30 16:49:45 maybe the USA is about to attack your country Nov 30 16:50:12 good point, our satellites are jammed it seems like Nov 30 16:50:25 however my other gps works fine Nov 30 16:51:15 :/ Nov 30 16:51:25 i was hoping to use the gps in the N810 Nov 30 16:51:50 also it seems that the navigation part is not free Nov 30 16:53:39 there's a free and a pay-service map Nov 30 16:53:56 I meant the navigation system Nov 30 16:54:41 I wonder if I have to register for that in order for it to work, they don't allow any registration until tomorrow (dec 1st) but that doesn't make sense the sattelite should pick up Nov 30 17:24:22 jikolup: try leaving it outdoors again for an hour or so. Nov 30 17:24:29 BTW, where do you live? ;) Nov 30 17:32:41 timelyx, at least README works now :-) Nov 30 17:38:25 fysa miami Nov 30 17:38:32 fysa: I left it just now Nov 30 17:38:48 sorry, I can't get there in an hour.. I'm way up in Tampa Nov 30 17:38:56 :) Nov 30 17:39:39 hehe xD Nov 30 17:40:01 I guess it's because of the trees and stuff there is barely any eye of sight to the sky :> Nov 30 17:40:22 anyone use ruby-dbus at all? Nov 30 17:40:34 truenix: I do Nov 30 17:40:46 hi there Nov 30 17:40:56 or at least used to do Nov 30 17:41:00 I have just get a new and beautiful N800 Nov 30 17:41:09 I have installed osso-xterm Nov 30 17:41:11 but Nov 30 17:41:14 the question is Nov 30 17:41:27 what is the root password ? Nov 30 17:41:28 <_Monkey> the root password is rootme Nov 30 17:41:34 ah Nov 30 17:41:37 ok lol Nov 30 17:41:40 felipec, first off once i get a service handle.. how do i get a list of available objects? Nov 30 17:41:41 ty Nov 30 17:42:02 felipec, and have you gotten it to work as is on n800? Nov 30 17:42:10 i get Nil to String errors Nov 30 17:42:24 uhm Nov 30 17:42:38 rootme doesn't work :( Nov 30 17:42:49 help me please Nov 30 17:42:51 Segnale007, OS2008? Nov 30 17:42:56 no Nov 30 17:43:00 os2007 Nov 30 17:43:00 <_Monkey> os2007 is dead. Nov 30 17:43:04 lol Nov 30 17:43:08 Segnale007, how are you trying to get root? Nov 30 17:43:25 download becomeroot and then use 'sudo gainroot' Nov 30 17:43:35 yah Nov 30 17:43:43 root doesn't work Nov 30 17:43:47 * czr sighs Nov 30 17:43:52 truenix: it depends on the implementation you are using Nov 30 17:44:24 https://trac.luon.net/data/ruby-dbus/tutorial Nov 30 17:44:44 but im not partial to anything :P i just want something that works on the n800.. Nov 30 17:44:54 if you have a recommendation i'll take it ;) Nov 30 17:45:05 somebody Nov 30 17:45:05 <_Monkey> somebody is probably filing bugs with the arm core to maemo.org bugzilla? Nov 30 17:45:07 told me Nov 30 17:45:13 try to install becomeroot Nov 30 17:45:24 and ok .. I don't know what is it Nov 30 17:45:31 bleh. can't I vote against monkey without registering for yet another account on yet another website Nov 30 17:45:31 but .. now I try Nov 30 17:45:39 Segnale007 you can use the flasher tool to enable rd mode and do sudo gainroot from an xterminal Nov 30 17:45:59 truenix: I think that's the best implementation, I haven't worked with that on the n800 Nov 30 17:46:02 then reset the passwd to whatever Nov 30 17:46:03 ok man Nov 30 17:46:06 thanks Nov 30 17:46:10 np Nov 30 17:46:28 felipec, ok.. well once i got a service i want.. how do i get the possible object paths? Nov 30 17:51:00 truenix: p service.introspect ? Nov 30 17:53:43 czr: meh, I think we have a consensus Nov 30 17:54:00 hi sp3000. on what? Nov 30 17:54:08 * czr just woke up Nov 30 17:54:16 on that which would be voted on Nov 30 17:54:28 what's the consensus then? Nov 30 17:54:48 M should die? please tell it's so :-) Nov 30 17:55:05 or, let's put it this way: seconds on "monkey should not talk when not addressed"? anyone opposed? Nov 30 17:55:19 monkey? Nov 30 17:55:20 <_Monkey> monkey is an extremely annoying bot that automatically remembers the second part of any phrase spoken in this channel that contains clauses like "is" or "are", then spits out the second part of the sentence whenever anyone in the channel mentions any stored keyword - such as the word "monkey". VOTE TO STOP THIS HERE: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12489 Nov 30 17:55:34 I'll count that Nov 30 17:55:57 I don't oppose. spoken-to- would be very nice. Nov 30 17:56:00 but, uhm, I don't think anyone's spoken up in support of the spewage Nov 30 17:56:09 why would they? Nov 30 17:56:29 just saying, vote is funny when there's no other side to it :) Nov 30 17:56:50 maybe should also vote on "whether bots should be left running when the person running them is never around" Nov 30 17:57:05 where a side is I think generally understood to be a set larger than one Nov 30 17:57:37 size can be zero too apparently, otherwise this would've been fixed ages ago :-) Nov 30 17:57:38 speaking of waking up, I should go to bed Nov 30 17:57:54 night sp3000 Nov 30 17:58:39 we kinda have no enforcement :) Nov 30 17:58:59 100 packets send to '217.148.161.33' for 5 minutes. Nov 30 17:58:59 100 packets send to '217.148.161.33' for 5 minutes. Nov 30 17:58:59 100 packets send to '217.148.161.33' for 5 minutes. Nov 30 17:58:59 100 packets send to '217.148.161.33' for 5 minutes. Nov 30 17:59:00 100 packets send to '217.148.161.33' for 5 minutes. Nov 30 17:59:00 100 packets send to '217.148.161.33' for 5 minutes. Nov 30 17:59:01 100 packets send to '217.148.161.33' for 5 minutes. Nov 30 17:59:01 100 packets send to '217.148.161.33' for 5 minutes. Nov 30 17:59:01 100 packets send to '217.148.161.33' for 5 minutes. Nov 30 17:59:01 100 packets send to '217.148.161.33' for 5 minutes. Nov 30 17:59:01 100 packets send to '217.148.161.33' for 5 minutes. Nov 30 17:59:02 ...that I know of Nov 30 17:59:09 speaking of which Nov 30 17:59:32 what the...? Nov 30 17:59:42 or, siinä maha missä ... Nov 30 18:01:06 O.o Nov 30 18:01:09 kids <3 Nov 30 18:03:03 sp3000, maha? Nov 30 18:03:16 ...missä painitaan Nov 30 18:03:21 ah.. Nov 30 18:03:33 "too bubbly"? Nov 30 18:03:37 I rather liked how the bot used powers-of-two algo when building the nicks Nov 30 18:04:05 I'm guessing the nicks are zombie host ips Nov 30 18:04:33 * sp3000 doesn't see join/parts, cz triggers conference mode by default for this size channel Nov 30 18:05:03 * Tak doesn't see join/part either Nov 30 18:05:19 hey, leave me out of this! Nov 30 18:05:38 I was themted to fix it to taktaktaked to Nov 30 18:05:42 tempted even Nov 30 18:05:48 heh Nov 30 18:06:05 I've disabled join/parts as well. just looking at the nicks really Nov 30 18:06:12 killer Nov 30 18:06:13 4 two char "parts" for each nick Nov 30 18:06:31 each two char could encode one octet of IPv4 Nov 30 18:06:52 although I'm not sure how the upper/lower-casing was set. didn't seem significant Nov 30 18:07:44 ease of reading, perhaps Nov 30 18:08:26 hmm. MoRpHeUz, do you know anything of this? :-) Nov 30 18:08:33 your nick fits the bill ;-) Nov 30 18:09:43 hmm. too bad the irclog does not records ips Nov 30 18:09:52 * sp3000 -> z Nov 30 18:09:56 "*** ZaMaLaRz changes topic to "Owned"" Nov 30 18:10:25 channel takeover attempt I guess Nov 30 18:10:40 sorry about the monkey topic. that was my fault. Nov 30 18:10:47 hi, wich gtk version do I need to compile a program for the N800? Nov 30 18:11:06 the one from the SDK, perhaps? Nov 30 18:11:13 http://www.5min.com/Video/Eavesdropping-on-Bluetooth-Headsets-925061 Another 770 bluetooth hacker Nov 30 18:11:16 pupnik, is it protected now? Nov 30 18:11:23 i dunno Nov 30 18:11:33 guess not? Nov 30 18:11:44 * mgedmin waits for czr to put it back Nov 30 18:12:10 hmm. anyone know who has ops for this channel? Nov 30 18:12:28 Toni? Nov 30 18:12:32 so it seems Nov 30 18:12:50 "last seen 3 weeks 1 day" Nov 30 18:12:51 bleh Nov 30 18:13:00 any secondaries? Nov 30 18:13:42 apparently not me! Nov 30 18:13:45 :) Nov 30 18:13:50 /msg chanserv access #maemo list Nov 30 18:13:55 I don't know any of those people Nov 30 18:14:06 ah, thanks mgedmin Nov 30 18:14:10 tsavola, ping Nov 30 18:14:44 czr: yo Nov 30 18:14:52 tsavola, you can get chanops on request? Nov 30 18:15:00 at least i=tsavola@ext-ssh.movial.fi can Nov 30 18:15:05 wow fuchs has been into maemo since long time Nov 30 18:15:15 czr: i don't think i can anymore :) Nov 30 18:15:30 tsavola, heh. do you know "Toni"? Nov 30 18:15:30 because of that weird nat/movial/x-gayness Nov 30 18:15:33 czr: yes Nov 30 18:15:46 tsavola, can you ask him to pop in on the channel and protect the topic against changes? Nov 30 18:15:56 czr: send mail to toni.willberg@movial.fi Nov 30 18:15:59 and fix your access so that we can at least ask you to do something when necessary Nov 30 18:16:20 ah Nov 30 18:16:23 Toni_, around? Nov 30 18:16:38 hiding behind an underscore! Nov 30 18:16:47 Toni_, when/if you are, please check the scrollback from here up. Nov 30 18:16:48 indeed Nov 30 18:17:03 what's the problem, czr? Nov 30 18:17:33 vandal bots changing /topic Nov 30 18:17:39 yes Nov 30 18:17:51 but what's the proposed solution? Nov 30 18:18:19 it's not that hard to go to http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/search?q=topic and restore the last sane topic Nov 30 18:18:21 chuck norris Nov 30 18:18:22 <_Monkey> chuck norris is a supreme being Nov 30 18:18:27 heh pupnik Nov 30 18:18:34 mgedmin, unless you want to battle with bots Nov 30 18:18:42 mgedmin, these ones were nice, they left after changing Nov 30 18:18:49 or rather, this one Nov 30 18:18:55 * czr shrugs Nov 30 18:19:13 * mgedmin wonders if this happens often Nov 30 18:19:16 I don't know how these things are normally kept in place. most chans where I hang around have protected topics Nov 30 18:21:01 doesn't seem to happen too often. 12 topic changes since Oct 02, including the ones above Nov 30 18:32:19 hi, is anyone here how could tell me where to find the sources for the BusyBox v1.00 in the RX-34_2008SE_1.2007.44-4 initfs? Nov 30 18:33:20 busybox.net ? Nov 30 18:33:45 trenka: well, sources including the configuration used Nov 30 18:33:50 -whois trenka Nov 30 18:36:40 * czr notices Nov 30 18:37:17 * czr still has to update the 'building external kernel modules' for OS2008 at some point Nov 30 18:38:17 * mgedmin still has to install scratchbox on the new laptop Nov 30 18:38:36 mgedmin, no vmware? :-) Nov 30 18:38:38 anyone around? I have a really dumb question? Nov 30 18:38:47 czr: no apt-gettable vmware in gutsy Nov 30 18:39:04 mgedmin, true. I kind of miss that. you could always install one yourself Nov 30 18:39:11 TheFool2: it's generally best to ask your question directly, not ask to ask Nov 30 18:39:14 I am trying to figure out how to copy something from x to y using the file manager. The default is move. Nov 30 18:39:16 I could always install scratchbox directly myself Nov 30 18:39:19 I'm just lazy Nov 30 18:39:29 lazy is good mgedmin Nov 30 18:39:30 Just wanted to make sure I was not asking it to an empty room Nov 30 18:39:31 trenka: according to the GPL, you should offer them when you offer the initfs Nov 30 18:39:43 bunk, busybox is not GPL afaik Nov 30 18:39:46 TheFool2: if you ask something in an empty room, you'll notice it after a while :-) Nov 30 18:40:06 TheFool2: I think you can use the copy/paste metaphor on the tablets Nov 30 18:40:11 czr: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Busybox#GPL_lawsuits Nov 30 18:40:12 hehe, but with my luck 2 hours later someone will answer and I will miss it Nov 30 18:40:13 bunk: sure, sure, we are working on it, honestly Nov 30 18:40:14 and whether configuration is part of the changed source has always been slightly debatable :-) Nov 30 18:40:22 TheFool2: or maybe find a Copy to... item in the popup menu that you get when you tap and hold Nov 30 18:40:25 buzybox *is* GPL Nov 30 18:40:30 ah, ok. my bad Nov 30 18:40:41 uclibc is not? Nov 30 18:40:52 * mgedmin never uses the file manager Nov 30 18:40:54 I seem to remember that something was LGPL (wouldn't fix this issue though, but still) Nov 30 18:40:58 hehe, cool. Did not realize there was a popup menu Nov 30 18:41:45 I don't usually but its nice to be able to copy songs from my phone and back. I was stuck "moving" them before. And that really sucked Nov 30 18:41:49 okay, there's Edit -> Copy, but no Copy to..., so only my first suggestion was right Nov 30 18:42:02 I think you can also drag-and-hold Nov 30 18:42:09 trenka: OK, sorry, I just had problems parsing the "no answer" ;-) Nov 30 18:42:16 to get a small popup menu, but don't quote me on that Nov 30 18:43:04 bunk: I'm not a 'legal guy', so just cannot provide anything myself, sorry :( Nov 30 18:43:06 yep, that works as well :) Nov 30 18:43:43 czr: regarding configuration: clause 3 of the GPL says "plus the scripts used to control compilation and installation of the executable" Nov 30 18:44:09 trenka: OK, any time window when it might happen? Nov 30 18:45:10 trenka: (not meant to push or anything, just asking) Nov 30 18:45:16 bunk, and conf? Nov 30 18:45:29 does anyone here use canola? And if not what is typically used fo accessing remote media? Nov 30 18:45:30 cannot promise anything, as soon as possible. Hope week or two Nov 30 18:45:41 trenka: OK Nov 30 18:45:50 anyone has found out how the maemo catalog works? Nov 30 18:46:18 TheFool2: I develop canola Nov 30 18:46:18 it's not clear to me which applications go to "popular" selection Nov 30 18:46:28 k-s: lol, cool Nov 30 18:46:38 TheFool2: lots of other folks here do too Nov 30 18:46:45 k-s: I am really looking forward to the next release Nov 30 18:47:01 TheFool2: we're not much alive in the channel because we need to hurry to have 2.0 alpha1 in time Nov 30 18:47:11 TheFool2: it's getting ready :-) Nov 30 18:47:26 k-s: you mean you have a specific date? Nov 30 18:47:33 bedboi: sure Nov 30 18:47:39 bedboi: but it's a surprise Nov 30 18:47:41 is it public? Nov 30 18:47:41 ah Nov 30 18:47:42 it's soon Nov 30 18:47:42 damn Nov 30 18:47:43 :-) Nov 30 18:48:00 bedboi: we'll have some closed group of testers to begin Nov 30 18:48:03 then public, yes Nov 30 18:48:09 just like the other release Nov 30 18:48:11 k-s: I am having some issues getting the current version to access media server via mt-daap and gmediaserver. It sees the files fine but won't play anything Nov 30 18:48:14 czr: "scripts used to control compilation"; IANAL, but it's really hard to argue this would not include the configuration these scripts were using Nov 30 18:48:22 we had some guys to test it and give feedback, then public Nov 30 18:48:32 ah o Nov 30 18:48:33 ok Nov 30 18:48:34 k-s: Is this a known issue or a "I have bad luck" issue Nov 30 18:48:37 TheFool2: ok, gmediasrever is not good Nov 30 18:48:41 TheFool2: use fuppes Nov 30 18:48:46 it's the best free upnp for linux Nov 30 18:48:56 twonky and others are good too, but commercial Nov 30 18:49:09 bunk, I agree with you, don't take it wrong, but IANAL as well and sometimes the conf is just omitted even when claiming complicance (and yes, it does violate the spirit of GPL even if not the letter of it) Nov 30 18:49:10 fuppes it is then, how about daap though? Nov 30 18:49:20 brisa and coherence (from our friend "dev") are also good choices Nov 30 18:49:45 bunk, you might want to file a bug in bugzilla on this? Nov 30 18:49:51 TheFool2: daap depends on the server Nov 30 18:50:02 TheFool2: we use libdmapsharing (from source force) Nov 30 18:50:07 that way it will be an "visible" issue and might help people to avoid similar stuff in the future (not just with busybox) Nov 30 18:50:10 TheFool2: it's from our developer andrunko Nov 30 18:50:27 TheFool2: I dunno, he is the best option to answer that Nov 30 18:50:35 cool, so the problem here was the servers I was using not canola? Nov 30 18:50:48 TheFool2: for upnp, yes Nov 30 18:50:56 TheFool2: for dmap, no sure Nov 30 18:51:08 TheFool2: our player workflow is like this: Nov 30 18:51:18 get URL from some server and send to osso media player Nov 30 18:51:24 we don't actually play anything Nov 30 18:51:47 so if your UPnP server is exporting correct HTTP addresses, then osso media player will play Nov 30 18:52:11 if you have gnomevfs-dmapsharing (canola depends on it and it should go automatically), then it will play dmap too Nov 30 18:52:35 TheFool2: if you have some problems with osso media server, using our Mplayer plugin could help Nov 30 18:52:46 TheFool2: this plugin is in our extra repo Nov 30 18:53:07 Cool, then I have some fiddling around to do. Thanks for the help/info. Nov 30 18:55:03 I started to build a carputer from spare parts a while back, couldn't find a cheap screen though...then I got my n770 for $75...Canola makes the perfect interface for accessing the media in my car and at home :) Nov 30 18:55:32 TheFool2: for sure you'll need to try canola 2 on your 770 =) Nov 30 18:56:05 MoRpHeUz: I definitely will, though I imagine it HAS to use more resources Nov 30 18:56:47 TheFool2: yes, it may become a little bit slow on some screen due the lack of resources but you can expect no tearing effect ;-) Nov 30 18:56:54 And I would want it running coupled with maemo-mapper... which is a resource hog in and of itself (for good reason) Nov 30 18:58:35 MoRpHeUz: As long as the scrolling is responsive I am good. Nov 30 18:59:10 TheFool2: yeah...the touchscreen on 770 is not so responsive... Nov 30 19:00:38 bah, I will try it out anyway. Sorta expected that with the 770 not being mentioned in regards to 2.0...that and it looks so much cooler...such beautiful transitions... Nov 30 19:00:39 yes, the touchscreen is not so sensitive Nov 30 19:00:55 TheFool2: etrunko published a video of it running Nov 30 19:01:04 TheFool2: it suffers a bit with the thumbnail view Nov 30 19:01:06 of images Nov 30 19:01:16 but it's very, very heavy :-P Nov 30 19:01:23 other screens are just fine Nov 30 19:01:24 on the 770? do you have a link, or should I google? Nov 30 19:01:31 etrunko: ... Nov 30 19:02:10 http://etrunko.blogspot.com/2007/11/canola-20-running-on-nokia-770.html first link from googling :) Nov 30 19:02:20 :-) Nov 30 19:02:29 that one Nov 30 19:03:00 hehe Nov 30 19:04:06 what was that at the end? lol Nov 30 19:04:17 MAAAEmmo Nov 30 19:04:24 TheFool2: h4x0r theme =P Nov 30 19:04:36 haha Nov 30 19:04:40 770 is cool Nov 30 19:04:54 you have no clue how much I am loving it. Nov 30 19:05:00 TheFool2: just to show how it would change between themes... Nov 30 19:05:17 I would never shell out $400+ for the 810 but $75 for a 770 in a hearbeat Nov 30 19:06:33 trenka: well I might be more willing to shell out $400+ if I had $400+... Nov 30 19:09:22 TheFool2: spare $400+ :) Nov 30 19:10:06 well no one has a spare $400+...even when my bank account were in the thousands I never consider a cent of it "spare" Nov 30 19:10:16 s/were/was Nov 30 19:10:58 anyone knows if the mysql libraries could run on the n800? Nov 30 19:11:20 or some kind of lite mysql lib? Nov 30 19:11:37 well, it depends of mentality :) Even when my bank account runs to 0, I have some spare ;) Nov 30 19:12:02 trenka, dipping into credit cards is bad :-) Nov 30 19:12:15 but that's what they're for I guess ;-) Nov 30 19:13:06 * johnnynokia hugs 810 Nov 30 19:13:15 See I am just starting grad school and still have no depts, but I have $4.36 in my bank account right now Nov 30 19:13:44 Thats what happens when you don't work for almost a year... Nov 30 19:14:37 TheFool2: do not worry, for me you can be very good guy independent of our bank account ;) Nov 30 19:18:21 lol, i have .96 in my bank account Nov 30 19:19:40 hugolp: libmysqlclient runs on n800... Nov 30 19:20:09 MoRpHeUz: its not in the repositories right? Nov 30 19:20:16 hugolp: take a look at gmyth repository somewhere on this page: http://gmyth.sf.net Nov 30 19:20:24 MoRpHeUz: thanks Nov 30 19:20:31 hugolp: =) Nov 30 19:21:19 Monday I get to try and get my 770 working on the universities wifi...stuped 802.1x WEP encrypted, the server provides the key after we authenticate, and they use an invalid certificate...a convoluted mess. It's going to be fun :) Nov 30 19:21:32 s/stuped/stupid Nov 30 19:23:54 * TheFool2 wonders if fuppes will ever finish compiling... Nov 30 19:27:15 my web browser is crashing on the Outlook Web Access 2003 website. Just after acknowledging that the certificate is signed by not trusted authority and before displaying any pages. Nov 30 19:27:22 anyone having the same issues? Nov 30 19:27:52 do you have a url I can test against? Nov 30 19:28:13 owa.elion.ee Nov 30 19:29:32 nope, works perfect here Nov 30 19:29:38 ok Nov 30 19:29:49 what browser/OS are you using? Nov 30 19:29:50 too bad, cannot blame on the Microsoft then Nov 30 19:30:07 OS2007 Hackers Edition Nov 30 19:30:24 tablet-browser-ui, version 0.2.9-1, I think Nov 30 19:30:49 I'm running on the 770 Nov 30 19:31:09 hmm...I have the EXACT same setup... Nov 30 19:31:56 :) Nov 30 19:32:00 not sure about the ver for the browser, is there a quick way to look it up? Nov 30 19:32:15 maybe a quick update will solve your woes Nov 30 19:32:35 I did dpkg -l Nov 30 19:32:51 I think I upgraded few weeks ago and then the problem started Nov 30 19:32:53 hehe ouch Nov 30 19:33:05 hmm Nov 30 19:34:31 strange, I'm able to look at ucowa.uc.edu without any crashes Nov 30 19:35:17 hmm I am running .2.10 Nov 30 19:35:31 so glad I had grep... Nov 30 19:36:11 but this is repeatable on that specific site? Nov 30 19:36:30 and not crashing on the other one is repeatable? Nov 30 19:36:33 MoRpHeUz: there I only see chinnok repositories and I would like to get mysql for 2007 not for 2008 Nov 30 19:36:44 TheFool2: seems to be. Nov 30 19:38:10 hugolp: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=177106&package_id=225202 Nov 30 19:38:21 (2007-03-19 11:06) Nov 30 19:39:21 MoRpHeUz: cool Nov 30 19:39:26 kala: the source of the sites appears to be identical in every meaningful way, so it should have nothing to do with the site itself. Nov 30 19:39:48 =) Nov 30 19:40:16 kala: this is most likely a retarted suggestion but have you tried clearing your cache/cookies/etc maybe there is something in their specific to that site the browser is choking on Nov 30 19:40:34 uh Nov 30 19:40:38 good suggestion Nov 30 19:43:28 anyone tried using those SIS based USB VGA dongles on a N[78][710]0? Nov 30 19:44:07 TheFool2: no, still crashing Nov 30 19:44:32 kala: grr, I don't know what to tell you Nov 30 19:45:00 kala: "works here" is not much comfort Nov 30 19:45:30 what's the best reason (apart from keyboard) to choose n810 over n800? Nov 30 19:45:41 storage capacity, speed, something else? Nov 30 19:45:46 vandenoever, gps ? Nov 30 19:45:49 vandenoever: gps Nov 30 19:45:57 hexa: oh, its not in n800? Nov 30 19:46:02 vandenoever: oh no Nov 30 19:46:02 vandenoever, nope Nov 30 19:46:05 that's a good reason, yeah Nov 30 19:46:11 and storage difference? Nov 30 19:46:14 vandenoever, you can still have a bluetooth one still Nov 30 19:46:18 n800 can do 4gb right? Nov 30 19:46:22 vandenoever: though I am still waiting for the mystical $25 GPS unit on ebay... Nov 30 19:46:32 vandenoever, it can do sdhc 2x16 gig max right now I think Nov 30 19:46:32 i want to use it mostly at home, so gps is not all that important Nov 30 19:46:43 hexa: n800 too? Nov 30 19:46:53 vandenoever, I was talking about the n800 Nov 30 19:47:04 not sure if n810 has 2 sd slots.. or just one Nov 30 19:47:15 hexa: cool, that would make an awesome replacement for my cd player then Nov 30 19:47:22 hexa, just one Nov 30 19:47:24 hexa the n810 has just one slot Nov 30 19:47:30 i'm sure it does ogg, right? Nov 30 19:47:33 vandenoever, yep Nov 30 19:47:41 bah get the 800 then Nov 30 19:47:51 vandenoever, n800 is cheaper.. too Nov 30 19:47:51 * TheFool2 did not just say that Nov 30 19:47:51 excellent, and i've even seen people put kde on it :-) Nov 30 19:47:55 vandenoever, not out of the box, but with community support/sw. Nov 30 19:48:06 hexa: yeah 190 euros cheaper on amazon Nov 30 19:48:19 vandenoever: kde on n800? Nov 30 19:48:32 hugolp: yea, thats a scary thought for me as well Nov 30 19:48:37 http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/kde-on-nokia-n800-tablet.html Nov 30 19:48:50 no kde4 though :-) Nov 30 19:48:51 img scray indeed Nov 30 19:48:55 er.. omg Nov 30 19:49:12 what's scary about it? Nov 30 19:49:40 ! he has it running on the 770 as well Nov 30 19:49:52 vandenoever, some could argue that kde is a big bloated win manager.. really the worst thing you could put on an embeeded device.. but it's an opinion :) Nov 30 19:50:00 KDE is a little...big...for a tablet Nov 30 19:50:13 Hi Nov 30 19:50:24 khertan: aloha Nov 30 19:50:25 vandenoever, the default win manager works really well.. Nov 30 19:50:28 vandenoever: nice. was it too slow and how did it do with the battery? Nov 30 19:50:38 someone know when the hildon-home/hildon-desktop ll be available in chinook ? Nov 30 19:50:47 hexa: it' was something for the wow department, i'm sure maemo is great for n800 Nov 30 19:51:10 i'm not religious about window managers or desktop as long as it's free software Nov 30 19:51:47 vandenoever, hehe :) I would be funny to see something like compiz on the n800 tought.. just for the wow of it .. no opengl 3d I guess... Nov 30 19:51:49 but plasma on n800 could go towards fancy iphone-like effects Nov 30 19:52:05 how is 3d on n800? Nov 30 19:52:06 s/I/It... Nov 30 19:52:17 vandenoever, no idea... :( Nov 30 19:52:27 and what does one pay for say, 4gb on it? Nov 30 19:52:30 vandenoever, I did play the original doom :) Nov 30 19:52:42 hexa: ah, that runs on old ipod too Nov 30 19:52:58 must suck with the ipod control though! Nov 30 19:53:04 vandenoever, humm I bougt a 8gig for like 70$ so I guess somethin like 30-40$ Nov 30 19:53:08 how do you shoot? Nov 30 19:53:18 hexa: oh, that's fine Nov 30 19:53:19 vandenoever: I would guess select would shoot Nov 30 19:53:25 vandenoever, button on the left Nov 30 19:53:40 hexa: ok, so not tapping your screen to bits Nov 30 19:53:41 bad think is changin direction.. on the touch screen Nov 30 19:53:43 that is my main beef with the 770...stupid mmc... Nov 30 19:53:57 vandenoever, hehehe at least... Nov 30 19:55:33 unrealted question, how do I find out what character set I am using? I know I am using something funky for some reason... linux not maemo but... Nov 30 19:56:09 so how's voip with webcam on the n800? any good? Nov 30 19:56:51 vandenoever, tested with gtalk / jabber works well :) Nov 30 19:57:00 wan't able to test with sip yet Nov 30 19:57:06 hexa: which is the default software? Nov 30 19:57:09 jabber? Nov 30 19:57:10 <_Monkey> jabber is much nicer. ;) Nov 30 19:57:19 the camera is not the best quality but not so bad Nov 30 19:57:36 it can rotate, right? Nov 30 19:57:49 vandenoever, yeah! :) that's nice,, one thing you don't have on the n810 too Nov 30 19:57:54 Just too many repositories aaagggh.. I can understand commerial software not being in garage or extras but all these others should end up in extras.. Nov 30 19:58:04 hexa: oh, that's a step back Nov 30 19:58:28 VRe, jsut tells you how convenient it is to upload stuff to extras ;-) Nov 30 19:58:47 czr: Yeah, sucks Nov 30 19:58:50 vandenoever, they only other thing I find bad about it is that it's localted to the left... so you have to kinda hold the n800 a bit to your right .. to be at the center.. but it's minor Nov 30 19:59:22 on the right would be more natural for right handed people... Nov 30 19:59:34 TheFool2, yeah.. or on top centred Nov 30 19:59:43 if one of these 15 repositories is hacked.. how many zombie devices we would end up with Nov 30 19:59:48 hexa: yea well... Nov 30 19:59:56 hehe detail anyway :) Nov 30 20:00:01 :) Nov 30 20:00:46 VRe: ah but how long before someone notices, the repo is patched and your next update fixes it. Nov 30 20:00:48 VRe: N770x800x810 is not too useful anyway, limited bandwidth, limited transactions, not always online :P Nov 30 20:01:03 VRe: yea I know, one repo would still be nicer Nov 30 20:01:18 VRe: when I take the red pill I want to dive all the way down that rabit hole Nov 30 20:01:58 VRe, depends on how many people use that specific repo, doesn't it? :-) Nov 30 20:03:30 before I installed anything I added like 20 repos, so I actually have had no problems...It never ceases to amaze me that there was a time when I complained about using a repo instead of going to a website and downloading/installing something manually. Nov 30 20:04:41 TheFool2, should be a list of all these repos somewhere at least Nov 30 20:04:57 TheFool2, like a master .. has everything sources.list Nov 30 20:05:24 there kind of is Nov 30 20:05:33 http://gronmayer.com/n800/repos/ Nov 30 20:05:56 czr: yeah, but this way the risk is always creater Nov 30 20:06:07 * czr shrugs Nov 30 20:06:09 acydlord, humm interesting ! thx :) Nov 30 20:06:13 np Nov 30 20:06:34 Maybe maemo is not that main line yet, that anybody would be curious.. but if somebody would do it just for fun the house of cards would fly Nov 30 20:06:35 I've yet to do a proper risk analyses on the various processes involved in installing sw by end-users so can't really say whether having multiple repos really makes a difference :-) Nov 30 20:06:42 VRe, if the IT was a windows based device I would agree with you Nov 30 20:07:06 but as it is linux, and the majority of users are advanced linux users, we tend to watch what we install Nov 30 20:07:32 not to mention you can use gpg keys to verify repos Nov 30 20:07:40 yeah, but it still binary.. and you trust the source. But if the source is hacked and the package is with a worm you will never know Nov 30 20:08:01 acydlord: yeah, but using application manager that is totally skipped Nov 30 20:08:12 nah, the package manager still checks thegpg keys Nov 30 20:08:18 no authentication. none what so ever Nov 30 20:08:53 atleast last time I run apt from commandline it was warning me of these unknown keys Nov 30 20:09:03 application manager just skips that Nov 30 20:09:41 and also, a repo based install method is much more secure than downloading the executables from a website Nov 30 20:10:06 just look at the debaucle wordpress had last year Nov 30 20:10:33 anyways, maemo is so small so I think security risk is quite small. But quality risk is bigger, there has been incompatible gpe versions, ogg-support etc Nov 30 20:10:44 acydlord: somehow I missed that one, what happened? Nov 30 20:10:48 and also, the IT market share is small, and the machines arent powerful enough to be usefull zombies, so that would be a massive waste of time Nov 30 20:11:13 TheFool2, someone got access to their ftp server and embedded some malicious code in to the 2.2 build of wp Nov 30 20:11:26 acydlord: tell me something which is not obvious Nov 30 20:12:17 just saying someone who has the knowhow to bother to zombify it devices also knows the time and effort are not worth it Nov 30 20:12:18 But say there would be competitor who would like to ruin the reputation of maemo and nokia.. one nice way would be some security issues Nov 30 20:12:49 "Woohoo I have a bot net of devices that are off or not connected to the internet most of the day. And theyn have almost no memeory or computational power. I am the uber h4ax0rs Nov 30 20:12:54 vre: security issues such as a broken tiff library that would let any website root your device? Nov 30 20:13:05 vre: public doesn't care about such.. proven too many times Nov 30 20:13:11 i don't know why they would do that, given maemo is opensource and they could just get the source from maemo to improve their own device Nov 30 20:13:14 TheFool2, you don't need a lot of cpu/mem to be an effective zombie Nov 30 20:13:24 TheFool2, you only need network access/bandwidth Nov 30 20:13:27 and there is more than zombies Nov 30 20:14:03 glass_: yeah x86 overflow on arm..? Nov 30 20:14:37 vre: you aware that one of the iphone jailbreaks is what i exactly described Nov 30 20:14:38 the iphone jailbreak is based on a broken tiff library Nov 30 20:14:41 iphone/itouch is x86? Nov 30 20:14:55 and the same bug was on psp too Nov 30 20:15:07 was pretty sure it was arm... Nov 30 20:15:11 it's arm.. Nov 30 20:15:20 glass_: I am, but those are always cpu & enviroment spesific. Nov 30 20:15:34 happy hunting with your website.. Nov 30 20:15:59 maybe if you post it on maemo list you get hits from those who read their mail with the device Nov 30 20:16:17 .. mean they use claws mail.. which means they have external repository.. Nov 30 20:16:20 my point was about that it's a pretty crappy way to ruin reputation Nov 30 20:16:47 Hey, if I would have a real masterplan. Would I tell it to you? Nov 30 20:16:59 bad press is always bad Nov 30 20:17:09 if you really wanted to ruin it's reputation juste start the rumor that they would switch the device to windows ce ,, jk :) Nov 30 20:17:16 glass_: the main difference being that people WANT to hack the iphone wheras people want to do hacking with the n series...but yea no one would care Nov 30 20:17:34 except those who got hacked := Nov 30 20:17:51 What _you_ would think? Nov 30 20:18:18 I would get a good laugh that someone wasted THAT much time, and restore from backups Nov 30 20:18:18 actually most of the development and porting done for the IT would be considered hacking Nov 30 20:18:37 anyways, for many reasons extras sucks and so does these separate repos Nov 30 20:18:42 Where you have your backup? Nov 30 20:18:46 On memory card? Nov 30 20:18:48 hacking = applying magic glue around some crappy piece of code until it doesn't fall on the floor so often :-) Nov 30 20:18:52 thefool: well, with iphone getting hacked could be a bit more serious. as in racking up phone bills to premium numbers.. Nov 30 20:18:55 i have my backup on an sd card, and on one of my servers Nov 30 20:19:01 what would be the point of that? no backup is on my main server Nov 30 20:19:08 acydlord: and how many you think even backups? Nov 30 20:19:12 its actually versioned... Nov 30 20:19:24 probably 90% or more of us back up regularly Nov 30 20:19:39 not to mention even if you don't have backups it takes no time at all to restore Nov 30 20:20:26 well, if this is even near early majority. You are not majority. Nov 30 20:20:44 and from those who backup most have the copy only on the card Nov 30 20:20:54 VRe, i take it you dont like to use linux distros with package managers? Nov 30 20:21:13 reflash: 5 minutes, reinstalling 20 apps: 1 hour, the look on the hackers face when he realizes his days locked in his room formulating his evil plan constituted only a minor annoyance: priceless Nov 30 20:21:33 acydlord: Yeah.. of course I have them... they suck. Like debian with its nice *debian.org repositories which are preinstalled Nov 30 20:21:53 * TheFool2 shakes his head in bewilderment Nov 30 20:22:08 VRe, are you by any chance a skript kiddie? Nov 30 20:22:10 I would rather download every binary separately.. - what you think? Nov 30 20:22:15 because thats how you are coming off to me Nov 30 20:22:19 Not a kiddie anymore Nov 30 20:22:20 i would rather not Nov 30 20:22:34 more chance getting a comprimised package downloading from a website Nov 30 20:22:38 also more time consuming Nov 30 20:22:52 VRe: no way in hell, much more of a risk that way, and much more tedious Nov 30 20:23:00 not to mention i have live redundant backups Nov 30 20:23:03 acydlord: So I think you say we should have separate repository for every program? Nov 30 20:23:15 i dont think we should have a seperate repo for every program Nov 30 20:23:21 Or one centralized like I would like it to be Nov 30 20:23:32 Well, now it going that way Nov 30 20:23:54 Stable, Unstable, Testing, Dev. Thats how I would love it. Nov 30 20:24:06 well the way you are saying it in your method would translate to, every software available on the internet should be available from one website, and one website only Nov 30 20:24:15 mainly because it would help clear up library conflicts Nov 30 20:24:19 acydlord, it is. the global dns ;-) Nov 30 20:24:31 and that is (1) security risk (minor), (2) quality risk ad (3) annoying as hell Nov 30 20:24:49 i mean i would love to see them wrangled in to the maemo repo for stable, garage.maemo for betas, and a dev repo Nov 30 20:25:49 I could live with single repo but different sections or subdirs Nov 30 20:25:56 would make mirroring easier Nov 30 20:26:47 in all honesty maemo could test the program, and then add it to their repo Nov 30 20:27:31 bloody hell after all this time I can't get a working version of fuppes... latest source release and svn checkout are both broken Nov 30 20:28:06 also, does anyone else have major problems with the default email client and gmail imap? Nov 30 20:28:28 have not tried yet, what issue are you having? Nov 30 20:28:47 it wont fetch anything more than the header Nov 30 20:29:20 when i try to fetch mail it just sits there "working" often it will lock up Nov 30 20:29:45 and i'm still dissapointed that the osso-clock doesnt support the arizona timezone Nov 30 20:32:23 LOL that is just sad, how do you "skip" a timezone Nov 30 20:34:59 it completely messes up the time zones for those of us living in az Nov 30 20:35:06 so my world clock is useless Nov 30 20:35:37 it's in the tzdata, so there is no reason it shouldnt be in the osso-clock Nov 30 20:37:46 BAH, must find a way to get a upnp or daap server up... Nov 30 20:39:23 ubuntu media center works pretty well if you've got a spare box lying around Nov 30 20:40:09 i have a classic xbox modded running as a upnp server Nov 30 20:40:28 I'm told http://mediatomb.cc/ works reasonably well Nov 30 20:43:15 acydlord: you have elisa running on that? Nov 30 20:43:51 nopers Nov 30 20:44:06 just xbmc Nov 30 20:44:39 ah, ok, as you said "ubuntu media center" Nov 30 20:44:56 TheFool2: for which OS? Nov 30 20:45:16 gentoo Nov 30 20:45:17 <_Monkey> i heard gentoo was not good for anything, imho. It wasted many hours of lle2's life for no good reason. Nov 30 20:45:24 lol... Nov 30 20:46:05 is ubuntu media center somehow ubuntu specific or can I compile it? Nov 30 20:46:16 I know that some people have Coherence on gentoo Nov 30 20:46:40 umc is based on elisa, elisa.fluendo.com, written in Python Nov 30 20:47:48 <_|Nix|_> Argh! There's this stuff in extras that depends on libgdbm-dev, but there's no libgdbm-dev in extras ... Nov 30 20:47:49 apt-get upgrade says that packet module-init-tools is being kept back, is this normal? Nov 30 20:49:41 i didnt run ubuntu media center for long, proc fan in the machine died Nov 30 20:49:47 Hi folks, maybe someone can help me with my scratchbox installatioin. I had an installation on Debian, which I suspected of being botched, so I removed all scratchbox* packages, and then rm -rf /scratchbox Nov 30 20:49:57 I then reinstalled it as per http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/3.1/INSTALL.txt Nov 30 20:50:18 using the script at http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/3.1/maemo-sdk-install_3.1.sh Nov 30 20:51:00 as a result, I have scratchbox again, but: 1) no targets, and 2) no rootstraps in /scratchbox/packages Nov 30 20:51:37 (i invoked the script with the -d option, since this is a Debian system) Nov 30 20:51:48 any ideas what may have gone wrong? Nov 30 20:51:56 did anyone tried Gizmo's video calls? Nov 30 20:52:16 haven't tried it yet Nov 30 20:53:09 e-squizo, did you install the maemo sdk as well as scratchbox per those instructions? Nov 30 20:54:57 acydlord: those instructions tell me that all I have to do is run the script Nov 30 20:55:10 or so I read them... Nov 30 20:55:25 yeah, you just have to run the scratchbox script, and then another script for the maemo sdk Nov 30 20:55:40 after you get scratchbox installed and add a user for it Nov 30 20:56:49 acydlord: OOOK!\ Nov 30 20:57:28 stupid me! the layout of the instructions led me to think that these were oart of the instructions for manual installation Nov 30 20:57:30 sorry! Nov 30 20:58:33 tis ok, i had to read through it twice myself Nov 30 21:01:46 acydlord: must I run the second script as root, too? the instructions don't say, and the script doesn't complain! Nov 30 21:02:03 i ran it as my normal user Nov 30 21:02:43 acydlord: great Nov 30 21:06:42 anyone get wireless tools working on os2008/n800 Nov 30 21:08:16 iwconfig~ Nov 30 21:12:17 esides the initial cost, is there any reason NOT to switch to the n810? all the apps and stuff from the 770 will run right? Nov 30 21:12:52 mainly, openvpn, xournal, and maemo mapper with support for dun-through-cellphone-via-bluetooth and bluetooth gps device Nov 30 21:13:17 well the n810 has built in gps Nov 30 21:13:39 oh yeah that's right Nov 30 21:14:01 and i assume dun-via-cellphone-via-bt should work fine, that's what its designed for Nov 30 21:14:08 yeah, that works fine Nov 30 21:14:40 but i need to make sure openvpn and xournal will work (which if i've kept up-to-date properly, everything should work easily with a quick recomplie) Nov 30 21:14:42 the only thing I can think of is if you realllly like FM radio... Nov 30 21:14:51 no that don't matter Nov 30 21:15:00 i have a car.. Nov 30 21:15:03 ;p Nov 30 21:15:16 there is also only 1 SD card slot Nov 30 21:15:23 although i never listen to the radio anymore.. Nov 30 21:15:29 does anyone? Nov 30 21:15:43 i thought it still had 2 slots Nov 30 21:15:50 yeah but the 770 only had 1 card slot anyway Nov 30 21:15:50 hmm... Nov 30 21:15:53 and it was some crazy memory Nov 30 21:15:53 * TheFool2 double checking Nov 30 21:16:04 no i believe 810 is only 1 memory slot, but has 2gb built-in Nov 30 21:16:07 2G built in and a SD slot Nov 30 21:16:34 i wish it would support the 32gb SD card lol Nov 30 21:16:48 damn didn't know they had cards that big, 8gb was the biggest i knew of Nov 30 21:17:16 * TheFool2 looks down in shame at his 2gb mmc Nov 30 21:17:39 i only have 2 1gb cards in my n800 Nov 30 21:17:46 does everything from the n800 run fine on the n810, or is there special stuff you have to do? Nov 30 21:17:51 and it's like $400 for the 32gb Nov 30 21:18:10 there are still a lot of programs that need to be proted from os2007 to 2008 Nov 30 21:18:35 hmm that sucks... is this gonna happen on every new device they release? so far it has Nov 30 21:18:52 but the fact is they will be ported, and all the new versions will not work on 2006...and soon enough 2008... Nov 30 21:20:49 hmm maybe i'll try the new 2007HE for the 770.. hopefully it's more stable then the last time i tried HE, couldn't get xournal or maemo mapper to run on it Nov 30 21:22:21 bstock: been using it since I got my 770, I have yet to have it crash Nov 30 21:22:39 how long ago was that Nov 30 21:22:50 4 days... Nov 30 21:23:05 lol Nov 30 21:24:15 hehe alright then Nov 30 21:25:12 monkey? Nov 30 21:25:13 <_Monkey> somebody said monkey was an extremely annoying bot that automatically remembers the second part of any phrase spoken in this channel that contains clauses like "is" or "are", then spits out the second part of the sentence whenever anyone in the channel mentions any stored keyword - such as the word "monkey". VOTE TO STOP THIS HERE: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12489 Nov 30 21:26:19 well, at least it knows something :) Nov 30 21:27:42 _Monkey are Monkey is very stupid : VOTE TO STOP THIS HERE: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12489 Nov 30 21:27:43 <_Monkey> OK, khertan. Nov 30 21:27:45 lol Nov 30 21:27:50 a modifier would be nice Nov 30 21:28:02 _Monkey is somebody said monkey was an extremely annoying bot that automatically remembers the second part of any phrase spoken in this channel that contains clauses like "is" or "are", then spits out the second part of the sentence whenever anyone in the channel mentions any stored keyword - such as the word "monkey". VOTE TO STOP THIS HERE: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12489 Nov 30 21:28:34 ok tried ushare/gmediastreamer/fuppes/daap/mt-daap/mediatomb out of all of those mediatomb is the only one that compiles and can be accessed by canola... Nov 30 21:28:54 fuppes wont compile and the rest choke on my charset Nov 30 21:29:31 TheFool2: fuppes won't compile? Nov 30 21:29:32 strange Nov 30 21:31:22 grr ignore that, it compiled it was just missing some object at runtime Nov 30 21:31:27 don't know why I said that Nov 30 21:31:54 k-s: but yea I tried the latest checkout from their svn and the source tarball Nov 30 21:32:57 hmm is there anyway to make canola connect to a upnp not on it's network? Nov 30 21:33:26 TheFool2: no, it's not allowed by upnp proto Nov 30 21:33:36 TheFool2: you need to be in a network with multicast support Nov 30 21:33:46 TheFool2: upnp find it's peers using multicast Nov 30 21:33:59 k-s: ok Nov 30 21:35:06 k-s: I knew it was against dmap protocol as well but there was some nonsense you could do to make it look like it was in the same network. This was not using a normal computer though Nov 30 21:35:41 TheFool2: you can try to hack your own tool to proxy multicast Nov 30 21:35:45 hackish, but... Nov 30 21:35:46 :-) Nov 30 21:36:54 I might do that. In truth I have no need to access it outside of the network but... Nov 30 21:37:29 I have a operating server with a copy of all of my music in almost every network I go...thats pretty sad now that I think about it Nov 30 21:38:15 especially since I can access it all from a web interface...ooh have to see how badly the n770 shockes on my flash player :) Nov 30 21:38:46 s/shockes/chokes Nov 30 21:39:40 is there a way to make the scratchbox gcc accept // as comentaries? Nov 30 21:39:51 Im running crazy changing my program Nov 30 21:40:26 that rules that it doesn't Nov 30 21:40:36 more C compilers need to refuse that particular abomination Nov 30 21:40:48 Meh. Nov 30 21:40:51 WHY? Nov 30 21:41:04 elb: abomination... XD Nov 30 21:41:06 I love my //'s :( Nov 30 21:41:18 oh, I see, I was using -ansi Nov 30 21:41:24 copied from the tuto page Nov 30 21:41:32 yeah, -ansi means C89, which has no // comments Nov 30 21:41:34 seriously though, why is // bad? Nov 30 21:41:50 it's mostly just ugly Nov 30 21:42:01 and, for some reason, it encourages *horrendous* commenting style Nov 30 21:42:19 I don't understand why that is, really, but most people who use it shouldn't be allowed near a comment EVER Nov 30 21:43:32 mostly, I don't like it because it has line-oriented semantics, which virtually *nothing* else in C uses Nov 30 21:43:32 I think we should ban blue paint, because everyone who uses it in their living rooms finds out later that it ruins the resale value of the home. Nov 30 21:43:49 (preprocessor directives being the other major exception, and handled in the same place) Nov 30 21:43:50 Yeah, except the preprocessor. Nov 30 21:44:10 halley: your analogy is poor Nov 30 21:44:26 that was an aside, anyway Nov 30 21:44:36 You're suggesting getting rid of something because of YOUR tastes. Nov 30 21:44:40 amen Nov 30 21:44:56 * halley shrugs. Nov 30 21:45:20 I wonder what someone like Kernighan thinks of it. Nov 30 21:46:50 good question Nov 30 21:46:57 I'd hope he sees it as a filthy C++ abomination ;-) Nov 30 21:47:57 I've not heard that he's particularly dour on C++ at all. Nov 30 21:48:10 I've never seen anything he's said about C++ Nov 30 21:48:59 "Sometimes I do write C++ instead of C. C++ I think is basically too big a language, although there's a reason for almost everything that's in it." --Kernighan Nov 30 21:50:01 Monkey Nov 30 21:50:01 <_Monkey> rumour has it Monkey is an extremely annoying bot that automatically remembers the second part of any phrase spoken in this channel that contains clauses like "is" or "are", then spits out the second part of the sentence whenever anyone in the channel mentions any stored keyword - such as the word "monkey". VOTE TO STOP THIS HERE: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12489 Nov 30 21:50:01 that's about how I feel about C++ Nov 30 21:50:21 its primary fault is that it's too big -- and the primary reason for that is interactions among the parts it has Nov 30 21:50:34 "The Design and Evolution of the C++ Programming Language" makes this very clear, and is a very good read Nov 30 21:51:16 (interesting, it is intended to be positive on C++) Nov 30 21:52:08 interesting might be a strong term Nov 30 21:52:16 His followup to the previous statement dovetails with your point. Nov 30 21:52:21 "When I write a C program of any size, I probably will wind-up using 75, 80, 90% of the language features. In other words, most of the language is useful in almost any kind of program. By contrast, if I write in C++ I probably don't use even 10% of the language, and in fact the other 90% I don't think I understand." --K Nov 30 21:52:45 yeah Nov 30 21:52:53 the problem with that other 90% is that there be dragons there Nov 30 21:52:53 thats why we have subsets... Nov 30 21:52:53 does n810 support full size SD, or just micro and mini? Nov 30 21:52:59 and they can reach into your 10% in ways you did not predict Nov 30 21:53:10 bstock, just mini; use adapter for micro Nov 30 21:53:11 (also well described in "Design and Evolution") Nov 30 21:53:15 bstock: mini and micro with adapter I think, not full size Nov 30 21:53:17 bstock, one slot only Nov 30 21:54:01 hmm alright, i'll have to make sure to get one with an adapter then Nov 30 21:54:32 most micro cards seem to come with adapters Nov 30 21:54:34 as do most minis Nov 30 21:54:56 I saw a pack that had a micro chip, a mini-adapter, a fullsize-adapter, and a usbkey-adapter. Nov 30 21:55:43 that might be taking it a bit far ;-) Nov 30 21:56:05 what sthe deal on the n810, it says up to 2GB internal memory, does it have 2GB or only 256 flash? Can I put in a 2GB card and a 8GB card Nov 30 21:56:06 Is there anything special I need to do to use the repository.maemo.org repository? Aparently, I'm not authorized to get Packages.gz Nov 30 21:56:54 MonkeyLover, it has a 2GB flash that is permanently inside the case; it acts JUST LIKE an external drive but you can't remove it. This is in addition to the OS space itself. Nov 30 21:57:03 it ahs 2GB built in and fixed, only one slot to add to it Nov 30 21:57:17 *has Nov 30 21:57:21 Is this 2GB flash? Nov 30 21:57:26 They preload the MAP DATA and some sample VIDEOS on it, but you can delete that. Nov 30 21:57:32 or there is sep flash of 256 Nov 30 21:57:37 just like a SD card, but you can't remove it Nov 30 21:57:44 can you boot from it? Nov 30 21:57:51 this is the question? Nov 30 21:57:57 Not that I've seen. It's secondary space. Nov 30 21:58:17 SD is also secondary space, but I can boot from it Nov 30 21:58:31 Maybe you can; I haven't tried. Nov 30 21:58:45 are you booting from flash now? Nov 30 21:58:57 I boot from the OS space. Nov 30 21:58:58 or SD Nov 30 21:59:08 so from flash Nov 30 21:59:26 But not from the 2GB which I already said is in addition to the OS flash space. Nov 30 21:59:34 right Nov 30 21:59:36 DDR RAM 128MB Nov 30 21:59:36 Flash 256MB Nov 30 21:59:46 You see the extra 2GB as /media/mmc2 Nov 30 21:59:55 Up to 2GB internal memory Nov 30 22:00:01 why does it say up to? Nov 30 22:00:19 depends how much you delete? Nov 30 22:00:42 I guess, yeah, or nokia just wanted to be wordy with it Nov 30 22:01:24 probably just making sure nobody expects to get 2GB free _and_ the full map data at the same time Nov 30 22:01:28 If you delete the map data, you can't use it. Nov 30 22:01:55 I have no intention of using the map data, thats what maemomapper is for Nov 30 22:02:34 wonder if maemomapper could somehow use those maps? Nov 30 22:03:15 Seems half the space is .ogg files of many voice options for the paid navigation service. Nov 30 22:03:55 The actual data is broken into regions too, so I could delete Canada. Nov 30 22:03:57 Will there be a way to replace these maps once deleted? Nov 30 22:04:07 It's just files; I backed it up. Nov 30 22:04:47 Well I figured I could back it up, but I am wondering if nokia provides a way to recover them? Nov 30 22:04:51 you can download the files via the onboard mapping program Nov 30 22:05:11 It doesn't come with a CD or anything, if that's what you mean. Nov 30 22:05:18 ok, that makes sense Nov 30 22:05:19 acydlord, haven't seen that feature. Nov 30 22:05:34 it has that feature in os2008 on the n800 Nov 30 22:06:20 click the toolbar, and then click maps Nov 30 22:06:37 it should show which are on the device on one tab, and available maps on another Nov 30 22:08:35 does it allow you to select what gps it uses? Nov 30 22:09:24 not sure Nov 30 22:09:28 it does Nov 30 22:09:47 you can use an external BT gps too Nov 30 22:09:48 so bt with it is possible even on n810? Nov 30 22:09:53 good Nov 30 22:09:55 I've used it Nov 30 22:14:28 are there any mpd clients on maemo? Nov 30 22:14:52 if not is ncurses working? I might try to port ncmpc Nov 30 22:18:05 2GB SDmini is $15. CompUSA is such a ripoff... they still have their shelf price at $60. Nov 30 22:20:47 TheFool2: I don't know what mpd or ncmpc are but the SDK does have ncurses Nov 30 22:21:29 mpd is music player daemon ncmpc is a ncurses based client to access it Nov 30 22:21:59 mpd allows you to user a remote device/computer to control audio on another computer Nov 30 22:22:19 so basically I could have my n770 change the song that my server is playing Nov 30 22:22:37 right Nov 30 22:26:23 I mean come on it's another way to stay on my butt longer :) Nov 30 22:26:46 upnp Nov 30 22:27:05 that works the other way around Nov 30 22:27:20 how come..? Nov 30 22:27:42 upnp allows my computer to host files that the n770 (in my case) plays Nov 30 22:28:08 mpd hosts a list of files and allows the n770 to access this and change what my computer itself is playing Nov 30 22:28:10 you could have the controller on your 770, and the renderer plays the selected files from the server (three components) Nov 30 22:28:30 but I think there are no (good) controllers for tablets (yet) Nov 30 22:28:33 then my 770 would have to have all the music on it... Nov 30 22:28:59 nope, the server, the renderer and the controller can be one or two or three computers.. Nov 30 22:29:00 i used to use my n800 as a remote for winamp when i was using a windows computer for my media center/server Nov 30 22:29:11 really...didn't realize that Nov 30 22:30:01 acydlord: interesting, how did that work? Nov 30 22:30:32 winamp plugin that has a micro web server to host controls and music list over the lan Nov 30 22:30:45 hmm thats pretty cool Nov 30 22:30:59 there was a similar plugin of xmms back in the day Nov 30 22:39:37 kulve: You made one of the screenshot utilities for IT2008, right? Nov 30 22:41:28 zerojay: right Nov 30 22:42:20 zerojay: http://downloads.maemo.org/product/OS2008/screen-grabber Nov 30 22:42:24 and now I'm off Nov 30 22:42:38 kulve: There's a bug. Nov 30 22:43:21 kulve: Look at the images I attached to this (unrelated) bug and you'll see what the bug is. Nov 30 22:43:25 kulve: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2421 Nov 30 22:59:15 depressing Nov 30 23:03:19 it's very important to support Ron Paul Nov 30 23:07:58 Because he's yet another Ross Perot "seems un-Republican" populist Republican crackpot? Nov 30 23:08:04 * halley scurries about, trying to hide. Nov 30 23:08:19 oh good, blind bigoted partisanship Nov 30 23:08:35 I don't know why he even calls himself a Republican, really, he's nothing like the modern Republican party Nov 30 23:08:38 Nah, old fashioned trolling; I hate the parties at all. Nov 30 23:11:29 I see no value in the parties; whether Whig or Unionist; if it's not in our Constitution, it's nothing more than a tea circle or hobby. Nov 30 23:12:19 Paul seems to been running republican to try and get at least a small chance at getting elected. Nov 30 23:12:36 You KNOW nobody would ever even look at somebody running Libertarian Nov 30 23:12:37 agreed, re: the Constitution and the worthlessness of parties Nov 30 23:12:49 problem is 2 party system, you have to pretend to belong to one of the camps Nov 30 23:13:22 oever, the two parties have locked out any meaningful third option, agreed, but even a third party is part of the problem. Nov 30 23:14:04 halley: if the # of viable parties is 2, there is almost no democracy, only a pendulum Nov 30 23:14:23 there's not even a pendulum Nov 30 23:14:32 because the two parties are so similar as to be nearly identical Nov 30 23:14:57 they do, however, fool a lot of gullible people into believing strongly that one has the answers and the other does not Nov 30 23:15:43 face it, US ceased to be a democracy and both parties know it and act like it Nov 30 23:16:38 the US has not ceased to be a democracy, and is in fact far from it Nov 30 23:16:40 US ceased being a democracy after the Whiskey Rebellion. ;) Nov 30 23:16:47 however, if enough people adopt that attitude, it will Nov 30 23:17:29 elb: US is far from a democracy? Nov 30 23:17:36 or far from ceasing to be one? Nov 30 23:17:51 far from ceasing Nov 30 23:18:34 anyway, I doubt the proprietors of #maemo think this has anything to do with IT development ;-) Nov 30 23:18:54 elb: true, and 2 is better than 1 Nov 30 23:19:13 nevertheless, 10 is better than 2 Nov 30 23:19:20 agreed Nov 30 23:19:24 Ha Nov 30 23:19:28 I doubt very much that they care. Nov 30 23:19:39 we would make a lot more progress, however, if people could learn to vote for the candidate, not the party Nov 30 23:19:53 a congressman is machine that has to turn the current popular opinion into votes Nov 30 23:19:55 the parties would find that they were losing en bloc power Nov 30 23:20:11 modelling him as such would yield nice population dynamics Nov 30 23:21:39 this time Nov 30 23:21:44 there is a real choice Nov 30 23:21:48 this time Nov 30 23:21:55 there is a very very bad trend Nov 30 23:22:07 this time, it is time to get involved Nov 30 23:22:18 it is really george orwell time Nov 30 23:22:19 pupnik: that's always the case Nov 30 23:22:29 no this time, this is the time Nov 30 23:22:30 pupnik: technology will advance anyway Nov 30 23:22:31 it's always time to get involved Nov 30 23:22:50 and monitoring tools will always become cheaper Nov 30 23:23:10 ok ok ok Nov 30 23:23:17 simple economics Nov 30 23:23:29 if the us dollar tanks, the whole world economic system has problems Nov 30 23:23:44 the us dollar is being destroyed by their waste with the wars Nov 30 23:23:55 this will really mess up european (german etc) exports Nov 30 23:23:58 big problems Nov 30 23:24:01 among other things Nov 30 23:24:15 fixing the wartime deficit won't magically firm up the housing market Nov 30 23:24:23 right Nov 30 23:24:26 but, I agree that we're running a deficit which is not sustainable Nov 30 23:24:48 world economic stability is important Nov 30 23:24:51 for us to have fun Nov 30 23:25:41 oppose governments stealing our money for stupid things Nov 30 23:26:02 then we can have tablets and air cars and good stuff Nov 30 23:26:07 hence, you will be monitored more Nov 30 23:26:07 regardless of politics Nov 30 23:26:10 if I were to vote in the Republican primaries, I'd vote for Ron Paul Nov 30 23:26:18 (I don't know that I will) Nov 30 23:26:24 hi Nov 30 23:26:25 <_Monkey> bonjour, crevetor Nov 30 23:26:26 pls do Nov 30 23:26:50 he wants to leave the internet free Nov 30 23:27:05 do any of you know how I could flash my n810 under mac os x Nov 30 23:27:05 [00:22] and monitoring tools will always become cheaper Nov 30 23:27:05 [00:23] hence, you will be monitored more Nov 30 23:27:05 [00:23] regardless of politics Nov 30 23:27:05 [00:24] if the average programmer was not so incompetent, you'd be logged to the square meter every second already Nov 30 23:27:05 [00:25] and your only hope of avoiding others reading your brain, is to die soon Nov 30 23:27:22 hehe Nov 30 23:27:41 it is ok to be public with your thoughts! Nov 30 23:27:55 crevetor, aflegg's 770Flasher. Nov 30 23:27:55 crevetor, google "flasher-2.0.macosx" Nov 30 23:28:02 Or that. Nov 30 23:28:30 courage! freedom Nov 30 23:28:38 speak Nov 30 23:28:48 <|R> I2P for the people! ;) Nov 30 23:29:24 i2p? Nov 30 23:29:25 <_Monkey> i2p is, like, like TOR on drugs Nov 30 23:29:46 <|R> good monkey :) Nov 30 23:29:47 _Monkey: extra easy for intelligence agencies? Nov 30 23:29:48 <_Monkey> vandenoever: bugger all, i dunno Nov 30 23:34:22 listen to this: http://pupnik.de/The_Herbaliser-Something_Wicked_This_Way_Comes-09-Worldwide_Connected.mp3 Nov 30 23:35:06 listen to this: http://pupnik.de/The_Herbaliser-Something_Wicked_This_Way_Comes-09-Worldwide_Connected.mp3 Nov 30 23:35:33 <|R> anyone uses an SPA2102 with their asterisk? Nov 30 23:41:26 halley, GeneralAntilles : are those compatible with mac os x on intel platform and with the n810 ? Nov 30 23:42:39 I had no problem with the flasher to get rd mode (and root); there's not enough of an update to bother with actually flashing the device. Nov 30 23:43:34 halley: are you talking about the latest n810 update ? Nov 30 23:44:56 Use the 770Flasher Nov 30 23:45:11 -19 is just a kernel change Nov 30 23:45:33 so if you can get flasher-2.0 running in emulation mode, just extract the kernel and flash that. Nov 30 23:46:38 ok Nov 30 23:46:58 i'll just try and flash the whole thing (i'm still a newby with my n810) Nov 30 23:47:08 and nokia internet tablets for that matter Nov 30 23:48:17 Try to do just the kernel if yo ucan Nov 30 23:48:22 it'll save you reinstalling applications. Nov 30 23:49:03 GeneralAntilles, have you used a Mac? Nov 30 23:49:14 All my life. ;) Nov 30 23:49:28 Just wondered why you said "emulation mode." Nov 30 23:53:40 Rosetta Nov 30 23:53:48 since flashe-2.0 isn't Universal. Dec 01 00:03:30 i see there is a petition to kill _monkey?!!! Dec 01 00:03:41 <|R> Safe the monkeys! :P Dec 01 00:03:41 DIEDIEDIE Dec 01 00:03:44 Sorry, sorry. Dec 01 00:03:47 <|R> Save oops Dec 01 00:03:54 Just give him a trigger. Dec 01 00:03:56 you bad people! :) Dec 01 00:04:17 Randomly interjecting himself into the conversation with irrelevant information is not appreciated. Dec 01 00:04:53 he's only answering with what he's been taught :) Dec 01 00:05:15 He should only answer when somebody asks him to. Dec 01 00:05:20 Say, Dec 01 00:05:23 _Monkey, browser? Dec 01 00:05:24 <_Monkey> browser is open sources Dec 01 00:05:35 and ignore, Dec 01 00:05:37 browser? Dec 01 00:05:37 <_Monkey> rumour has it browser is open sources Dec 01 00:05:50 i know - someone taught him nonsense Dec 01 00:05:53 :) Dec 01 00:06:10 Well, when he picks up anything containing is and are, that's to be expected. Dec 01 00:06:24 i know - can't seem to stop him from doing that unfortunately Dec 01 00:06:28 But seriously, add a trigger. Dec 01 00:06:34 ok let me check Dec 01 00:06:35 It wouldn't matter if you just added a trigger. Dec 01 00:07:43 if he needs a trigger i doubt he'll respond when people ask simple questions Dec 01 00:07:54 as they won't know to ask him - double edged sword really Dec 01 00:08:03 Tough crackers. Dec 01 00:08:34 The good answer to irrelevant/irrating answer ratio is shifting wildly towards the latter. Dec 01 00:09:36 bye _monkey - love you long time Dec 01 00:14:20 Is Milhouse your real name? Dec 01 00:15:13 no Dec 01 00:15:35 (middle name of an ex dead president in case you're wondering) Dec 01 00:15:54 Yeah, was wondering if I should think of Richard Nixon, Richard Stallman or the Simpsons pal. Dec 01 00:16:24 Though I'm quite alarmed to know that we have a zombie (ex-dead) president. Dec 01 00:18:04 you've had plenty of zombie presidents :) Dec 01 00:19:26 Since Opera is out of the picture, and this works fine under OS2008 with MicroB, should I go ahead and resolve as fixed? Dec 01 00:19:31 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2077 Dec 01 00:35:43 GeneralAntilles: I'll handle it. Dec 01 00:39:56 Monkey is dead. Happy days are here again! Dec 01 00:43:11 MONKEY!!! Dec 01 00:43:18 :( Dec 01 00:43:25 Gotta love Fanoush for fixing the brightness issue. Dec 01 00:43:51 Just wish it were persistent across reboots without me having to fuddle around with scripts. Dec 01 00:43:53 No more _monkey, I'm about to bury him under the patio Dec 01 00:44:19 RIP! My furry friend Dec 01 00:44:26 people wine too much Dec 01 00:44:31 Dance party on milhouse's patio! :P Dec 01 00:44:47 he was led astray... ;) Dec 01 00:44:56 Monkey was smarter than some people who come here :) Dec 01 00:45:01 Damn alcoholics . . . Dec 01 00:45:10 now of that there is no doubt! Dec 01 00:45:31 I don't understand the point of a torrent client on the tablet. Dec 01 00:45:41 You wonder how those sorts manage to find their way on here. Dec 01 00:45:46 its to download stuff Dec 01 00:45:46 Is there even a web client for #maemo? Dec 01 00:45:47 :) Dec 01 00:45:53 I guess people like the idea of killing their SD cards REALLY FUCKING FAST. Dec 01 00:45:58 Seriously, zerojay, the better question is: why not? Dec 01 00:46:04 See above. Dec 01 00:46:07 thats what lifetime warrantys are good for Dec 01 00:46:21 even the 5 year sandisk Dec 01 00:46:22 Sure, if you like losing your data every other month or so. Dec 01 00:46:28 running a torrent client on a tablet can't be good for the battery either Dec 01 00:46:40 hell,I had my 770, for 1 year, my n800 for one year Dec 01 00:46:49 might be useful to have it kick in only when on AC I suppose Dec 01 00:46:55 never had a card problem, run swap off em Dec 01 00:47:19 Torrent's a lot more stressful on I/O than swap is, though. Dec 01 00:47:37 only lost data I ever had was from that darn kernel bug Dec 01 00:47:49 I never liked torrent anyway Dec 01 00:47:59 edonkey was great Dec 01 00:48:13 The one and only time I ever lost data on the cards was when I stupidly removed the USB cable before a transfer was complete. Dec 01 00:48:57 Just because I was in a rush and wasn't thinking. Dec 01 00:49:27 ever fdisk the wrong drive Dec 01 00:49:30 ouch Dec 01 00:49:34 that hurts Dec 01 00:49:47 No, thankfully never did anything major like that. Dec 01 00:49:52 could be worse, swapping on a SD card ;) Dec 01 00:49:54 sda sdb something like that : Dec 01 00:49:56 :) Dec 01 00:50:33 I run 128MB swap partition on mine without incident Dec 01 00:50:35 Closest thing I ever did to that was when I was installing a new distro on my home PC and wanted to keep /etc and just kind of forgot midway through installation. Dec 01 00:50:52 Maybe 5 years ago. Dec 01 00:52:43 Worst thing I ever witnessed, was a windows admin, upgrading san drivers on 1TB windows share,spanning 30+ disks Dec 01 00:52:49 he lost the whole thing Dec 01 00:53:07 oh, uh, and his job Dec 01 00:53:19 maroon! Dec 01 00:53:25 Some of my Windows-using friends don't understand why I don't sit on my PC as root all day long... until one of them was absentmindedly using his computer while on the phone... winamp blasting away... and he ended up deleting his 20GB of mp3s accidentally. Dec 01 00:53:40 Didn't realize it until winamp just stopped playing. Dec 01 00:54:07 I think it was back in the days of Win98. Dec 01 00:54:30 is it mid december yet? Dec 01 00:54:48 I am chomping at the bit Dec 01 00:55:05 stupid coupon :) Dec 01 00:55:23 I was an admin at a library's computer center about 10 years ago and I was bringing in an external CD-R drive to work so I could back up my stuff. I had specifically told this kid not to touch my PC... I come in that morning and he has this big "I've got a surprise for you!" smile on his face. Dec 01 00:55:50 He installed NT4 on my PC with no backups taken. Dec 01 00:56:00 Ha Dec 01 00:56:03 I lost about 9 months worth of work. Dec 01 00:56:28 why - cos you did a 9 month stretch for assault? :) Dec 01 00:56:29 Not a good idea to be nearly strangling a kid when you work across the street from a police station, by the way. Dec 01 00:56:32 do you visit his grave? Dec 01 00:59:00 When did Google Maps add this Terrain button? Dec 01 01:00:05 hi again Dec 01 01:00:09 Must've been pretty recent. Dec 01 01:00:15 thank you guys, the upgrade went smoothly Dec 01 01:00:28 I don't remember seeing it before, but I don't really use it very much anyways. Dec 01 01:00:42 I am now trying o install ukmp which seems to be the killer media player for N810 Dec 01 01:00:43 * |R wants monkey back :P Dec 01 01:00:51 but it tells me it can't install libbz2 Dec 01 01:00:58 in which repository can i find it ? Dec 01 01:03:50 Dpm Dec 01 01:03:53 er Dec 01 01:03:57 Damn keyboard. Dec 01 01:04:51 At my company, if there's a happy hour organized after work, do not ever get so wasted that you can't come in the next day. Dec 01 01:05:19 You give carte blanche to anyone to prank you for it. Dec 01 01:05:32 http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=2076045109&size=l Dec 01 01:05:34 Like so. Dec 01 01:05:57 Haha Dec 01 01:06:41 I like the little fake sim card, but what really makes it is the RAZR. It looks so perfect because they actually folded it a bit. Dec 01 01:06:58 And the actual items have been hidden around the office. Dec 01 01:07:03 That's good Dec 01 01:07:12 I can't wait to see what he says on Monday. :) Dec 01 01:07:46 Plugging in a second mouse into someone's computer is also good. Dec 01 01:08:16 Or using the labelmaker to print out a n00b label and putting it on the underside of the mouse, covering the optical hole. Dec 01 01:08:39 The last time I did that one, the guy spent 20 minutes checking all his USB connections before flipping over the mouse and being called n00b. Dec 01 01:08:45 Insult to injury. Dec 01 01:09:40 :) Dec 01 01:28:25 So... does anyone here do any synchro of bookmarks between their PCs? Any particular service you use for it? Dec 01 01:28:51 cp? Dec 01 01:29:14 I mean something a little more advanced than cp. :) Dec 01 01:29:31 "It's not stupid... it's advanced!" Dec 01 01:29:48 ...mmmkay. Dec 01 01:31:20 Obviously not an Invader Zim fan. Dec 01 01:31:32 Sorry. Dec 01 01:33:12 a del.icio.us browser extension would certainly help Dec 01 01:33:51 There's no need. Dec 01 01:34:08 I already have a greasemonkey extension for it. Dec 01 01:34:26 in maemo? Dec 01 01:34:33 But I generally don't see that as bookmark synchro so... Dec 01 01:34:34 Yes. Dec 01 01:35:27 It's called dejalicious++ Dec 01 01:35:34 Works perfectly on Microb. Dec 01 01:38:51 anyone have unzip of chinook Dec 01 01:39:06 s/of/on/ Dec 01 01:39:07 edt meant: anyone have unzip on chinook Dec 01 01:54:29 Just pull it from a bora repo, edt. Dec 01 02:03:36 So did Milhouse meet a girl? Its about time he stopped playing with his monkey :) Dec 01 02:14:48 hi Dec 01 02:15:04 howdy Dec 01 02:15:04 I want to edit a systemfile Dec 01 02:15:19 and Dec 01 02:15:23 but when i want to save it, it says that it is protected Dec 01 02:15:32 metalayer-crawler0 Dec 01 02:15:37 are you root Dec 01 02:15:50 mmh Dec 01 02:15:54 whoami Dec 01 02:16:12 do you have becomeroot installed? Dec 01 02:17:06 i think so Dec 01 02:17:15 type sudo gainroot Dec 01 02:17:16 whoami = user Dec 01 02:17:22 sudo gainroot Dec 01 02:17:57 done Dec 01 02:18:05 unzip from bora does not install - its miss two libs Dec 01 02:18:09 so whoami now show root Dec 01 02:18:59 jupp Dec 01 02:19:08 so you can save the file now? Dec 01 02:21:41 :S Dec 01 02:21:51 i deleted it with root access Dec 01 02:22:02 and when i want to save it as user Dec 01 02:22:10 it says write protected Dec 01 02:22:20 no no no Dec 01 02:22:29 you must edit it as root Dec 01 02:22:35 what is the name of the editor? Dec 01 02:22:35 ok so you have a copy of the file Dec 01 02:22:39 vi Dec 01 02:22:43 :S Dec 01 02:22:55 vi is without gui or not? Dec 01 02:23:05 * halley chuckles. Dec 01 02:23:22 COOL Dec 01 02:23:27 no gui, runs in teerminal, but its not easy to use if you are unfamiliar Dec 01 02:23:34 copy paste Dec 01 02:23:38 works fine Dec 01 02:23:49 huh Dec 01 02:23:55 how can I save? Dec 01 02:24:00 :wq Dec 01 02:24:13 colon w q Dec 01 02:24:36 Nifty, the mplayer build I made for Angstrom works on the current 770 hacker edition (though is in no way optimized for the 770) Dec 01 02:24:55 I just used mplayer on my n800 to play a DVD Dec 01 02:24:58 :) Dec 01 02:25:03 about 1fps Dec 01 02:25:07 Ha Dec 01 02:25:10 audio was good though Dec 01 02:25:13 penguinbait: So would be around .5fps on the 770 Dec 01 02:25:19 With your USB CD-ROM drivers? Dec 01 02:25:24 yes Dec 01 02:25:33 but must say that xvid is player very well under OS2008 Dec 01 02:25:58 GA yes cdrom and dvd are working Dec 01 02:26:05 man i hate vi Dec 01 02:26:05 iso and udf Dec 01 02:26:11 I love vi Dec 01 02:26:20 i wrote :wq Dec 01 02:26:30 hit escape first Dec 01 02:26:34 then :wq Dec 01 02:26:50 oh dear :D Dec 01 02:26:51 Er, not with a ":wq" in his file. :P Dec 01 02:27:06 well, I assumed he removed that :) Dec 01 02:27:10 Uh huh. Dec 01 02:27:41 Ar-ras, what are you doing in that file anyway? Dec 01 02:28:10 set a CRAWLPATH Dec 01 02:28:13 deleting it was probably the right thing to do anyway Dec 01 02:28:28 so it is no problem? Dec 01 02:28:32 ah, I disable it, it always kills my system running KDE Dec 01 02:28:49 so deleting it is ok? Dec 01 02:29:14 Its ok for me Dec 01 02:29:30 For what i need the crawler? Dec 01 02:29:41 your system will continue to work, it just indexs media for the media player Dec 01 02:30:09 is mplayer effected too? Dec 01 02:30:14 no Dec 01 02:30:17 ok Dec 01 02:30:23 'affected' Dec 01 02:30:26 only built in mediaplayer Dec 01 02:30:37 halley thanks Dec 01 02:30:47 hally, effected or affected, I never know which is correct Dec 01 02:30:53 so I just alternate Dec 01 02:31:01 penguinbait ok than crawler is useless, because media player is crap Dec 01 02:31:02 'effected' means 'created'. Dec 01 02:31:06 I must get it right occaisionally Dec 01 02:31:31 Correct Ar-ras Dec 01 02:31:36 How can i "pair" media files with mplayer? Dec 01 02:31:37 effect is a noun, affect is a verb. ;) Dec 01 02:32:05 Either can be either. Dec 01 02:32:08 Anyone know how much the mplayer gst and nokia770 drivers help performance? Just wondering if it is worth the effort. Dec 01 02:32:48 I like my N800, everyday i learn new linux stuff from it :D Dec 01 02:33:11 True enough: "effect change" Dec 01 02:33:31 She bought him a bright red scarf, which he took to wearing every afternoon. Her gift effected in him an affectation. Dec 01 02:33:42 dude i never should use that word :D Dec 01 02:34:04 me either, I just end up confused :) Dec 01 02:35:14 penguinbait, did you ported KDE to OS 2008? Dec 01 02:35:25 yes Dec 01 02:35:32 with koffice Dec 01 02:35:56 just finishing up some loose ends Dec 01 02:38:32 is the mono port for Maemo still available? Dec 01 02:39:45 dont know, I would assume so Dec 01 02:42:46 Windows freezed... Dec 01 02:43:09 (.)(.) Dec 01 02:43:24 my shocked look Dec 01 02:43:37 penguinbait and i thought that are your tittys Dec 01 02:43:48 :P Dec 01 02:44:13 ( . ) ( . ) Dec 01 02:44:20 tittys are much bigger Dec 01 02:44:22 :) Dec 01 02:44:27 hehehe Dec 01 02:47:15 penguinbait where you from? Dec 01 02:47:28 michigan, usa Dec 01 02:48:10 u Dec 01 02:48:35 Leipzig, Saxony, Germany Dec 01 02:49:45 Sometimes I am jealous of all the multilingual people,maybe its time to learn a second language Dec 01 02:50:04 el pollo loco Dec 01 02:50:34 dude Dec 01 02:50:41 i am iranian origin Dec 01 02:50:51 i can 4 languages :D Dec 01 02:51:02 really, I work with a iranian, he speaks like 5 Dec 01 02:51:17 mmh Dec 01 02:51:21 but my penis is larger Dec 01 02:51:36 Wow . . . right then. Dec 01 02:51:43 must be an Iranian thing Dec 01 02:51:46 heh Dec 01 02:52:07 You saw the movie 300 ? Dec 01 02:52:19 nope Dec 01 02:52:54 iran is multicultural too Dec 01 02:53:19 so did you leave for school, or work or fun Dec 01 02:53:20 there are not only persians, there are other peoples too Dec 01 02:53:28 i am born here Dec 01 02:53:36 in Germany? Dec 01 02:53:42 ah Dec 01 02:53:52 penguinbait, say yes to michigan Dec 01 02:54:17 is jeff1f a fellow michigander? Dec 01 02:54:49 sure am Dec 01 02:55:00 where abouts Dec 01 02:55:02 I wish it weren't in the 70s . . . I was so happy to have my AC off. :( Dec 01 02:55:26 you both shouldnt whatch on the N800 while walking on the street Dec 01 02:55:26 GA, bite me Dec 01 02:55:38 its like 20 here Dec 01 02:55:38 Florida, baby, deal. :P Dec 01 02:55:41 Around grand rapids Dec 01 02:55:56 I am near Flint Dec 01 02:55:59 then maybe you would meet both on the street :D Dec 01 02:56:17 #3 in the nation for violent death Dec 01 02:56:20 woohoo Dec 01 02:56:49 ? Dec 01 02:57:02 i don't doubt it! Dec 01 02:57:13 penguinbait are you in warzone or what? Dec 01 02:57:40 huh new FF Version Dec 01 02:57:57 its not bad at all where I am, but if you go to north flint, dont make a wrong turn Dec 01 02:58:16 lot of gang-bangers there? Dec 01 02:58:18 <[pablo]> penguinbait: you live in flint? Dec 01 02:58:27 <[pablo]> my condolences =/ Dec 01 02:58:28 jeff, do you work in IT Dec 01 02:58:37 near flint, same county Dec 01 02:58:52 <[pablo]> i'm from MI too Dec 01 02:58:58 where abouts Dec 01 02:59:04 lol Dec 01 02:59:30 <[pablo]> grew up in dearborn, more recently royal oak/oak park north of 10. Moved back to phoenix a little over a year ago though Dec 01 02:59:47 <[pablo]> couldn't find any decent tech jobs there heh **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Dec 01 02:59:57 2007