**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Dec 04 02:59:56 2007
Dec 04 03:00:45 <hpg101> hi pupnik, if you're talking to me, nothing is plugged into the audio jack
Dec 04 03:07:22 <hpg101> the plantronics doesn't supply a profile. is that a problem?
Dec 04 03:14:24 <pupnik> um i dunno how the bluetooth audio works - i think it doesn't at all
Dec 04 03:14:54 <K`zan> pupnik: I've given up trying to use my BT headset for anything other than the cell phone :-(.
Dec 04 03:15:35 <K`zan> Beat myself bloody trying to get it to work here, was *briefly* successful with btsco, but was unable to get it working again,
Dec 04 03:16:03 <K`zan> Better off getting a decent wireless (non-bt) headset, that is what I finally did here.
Dec 04 03:16:23 <K`zan> Yeah, QUITE frustrating...
Dec 04 03:18:10 <hpg101> hi K`zan, you mean an 802.11 audio?
Dec 04 03:19:41 <K`zan> hpg101: Yes.
Dec 04 03:19:58 <K`zan> Err, no, BT audio (as in BT headset)
Dec 04 03:20:13 <K`zan> Sorry, doing three things at once :).
Dec 04 03:20:35 <K`zan> Replaced it with an RF headset (stereo, no mic).
Dec 04 03:21:29 <hpg101> i'm surprised nokia, a cell phone company, didn't make bt audio work on the n800. or is it a software thing?
Dec 04 03:21:53 <|R> yep
Dec 04 03:22:59 <hpg101> K`zan: i think i understand your suggestion. a transmitter you plug into the audio jack which sends to a headset
Dec 04 03:32:02 <lopz> hola
Dec 04 03:34:10 <rip_> hola Dora
Dec 04 03:34:40 <rip_> sorry thats stuck in my head from a show my Daughter watches ;)
Dec 04 04:01:52 <halley> Don't let your kid watch that junk.
Dec 04 04:03:14 <zerojay> What's wrong with it?
Dec 04 04:03:36 <halley> First, the kid can't speak in a normal voice.  She's always YELLING AT THE TOP OF HER VOICE.
Dec 04 04:04:12 <halley> Second, she's a git.  That map is out to kill her.  Every day, it sends her through three terrible dangers just to get her to a place she could see from the beginning.
Dec 04 04:04:57 <halley> Third, the songs will rot your brain.  It has already rotted through the brains of the writers, clearly.
Dec 04 04:06:23 <halley> Fourth, standing up to a thief by saying "No swiping!" is clearly insane.
Dec 04 04:08:21 <rip_> lol
Dec 04 04:08:32 <rip_> sounds like you have watched it more than once ;)
Dec 04 04:08:36 <halley> Fifth, a thmall friend who wearth violet vinyl bootth up to hith kneeth, friend... you are thmokin' thumpthin' I want.
Dec 04 04:10:41 <pupnik> i don't think i would allow a TV in the house if I had kids
Dec 04 05:28:31 <lopz> bye
Dec 04 06:07:13 <Luria> anyone have xchat working on os2008
Dec 04 06:08:17 <rip_> yep
Dec 04 06:08:46 <rip_> http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/
Dec 04 06:08:51 <rip_> thats where I got mine
Dec 04 06:09:02 <rip_> same guy who did Xchat for OS2007
Dec 04 06:09:36 <Luria> oh neat.
Dec 04 06:09:37 <Luria> ta
Dec 04 06:09:56 <rip_> Np
Dec 04 06:10:24 <Luria> now all i need is abiword, xournal, and gnumeric back.
Dec 04 06:10:50 <Luria> and then i can forget os 2007
Dec 04 06:11:23 <Luria> or rather there will be nothing left to miss from os2007
Dec 04 06:16:04 <rip_> Im pretty sure gnumeric is running on OS2008
Dec 04 06:16:07 <rip_> no idea about the other oens
Dec 04 06:16:09 <rip_> err
Dec 04 06:16:10 <rip_> other ones
Dec 04 06:16:25 <rip_> I wouldn't mind abiword either
Dec 04 06:16:41 <Luria> with spell check would be nice
Dec 04 06:16:41 <rip_> then I can have an excuse to get a bluetooth keyboard when im out and about
Dec 04 06:17:12 <Luria> adblock for microb would be nice
Dec 04 06:17:21 <Luria> privoxy is a pain
Dec 04 06:18:21 <rip_> Can't say Ive ever needed to use anything like privoxy
Dec 04 06:18:28 <astro76> you can use the ad blocking greasemonkey script
Dec 04 06:18:30 <astro76> http://userstyles.org/styles/299
Dec 04 06:19:37 <Luria> oh nice
Dec 04 06:19:44 <Luria> id been looking for one
Dec 04 06:19:51 <Luria> most are too site specific
Dec 04 06:19:55 <rip_> the program i'm dying to check out is Canola2
Dec 04 06:19:56 <rip_> ;)
Dec 04 06:20:01 <rip_> with mplayer for the videos
Dec 04 06:20:02 <Luria> dunno
Dec 04 06:20:02 <rip_> :D
Dec 04 06:20:04 <astro76> yeah
Dec 04 06:20:05 <Luria> i like ukmp
Dec 04 06:20:23 <Luria> though what happened to the exit button?
Dec 04 06:20:43 <timelyx> exit violates platform
Dec 04 06:20:46 <timelyx> it should be quit
Dec 04 06:21:02 <Luria> ok, ok
Dec 04 06:21:12 <Luria> but its a full screen app
Dec 04 06:21:33 <Luria> i have to de-fullscreen it and click on the close button
Dec 04 06:21:37 <Luria> which is plain silly
Dec 04 06:21:53 <astro76> Luria, holding the cancel button doesn't work?
Dec 04 06:22:27 <Luria> huh. never tried. i didnt realize that was an quit shortcut
Dec 04 06:23:02 <astro76> also holding home gets you to the home screen
Dec 04 06:23:11 <Luria> that i knew
Dec 04 06:23:21 <Luria> i use it to minimize ukmp
Dec 04 06:23:39 <Luria> still, thats cludgy
Dec 04 06:23:52 <Luria> a single click *somewhere* should do it
Dec 04 06:24:08 <rip_> microb's way to scroll is horrid I find :\ for most websites when I want to scroll down I have to hold the dpad down but when I let go it keeps sliding past what im trying to read ;)
Dec 04 06:24:16 <Luria> yeah
Dec 04 06:24:29 <Luria> i just finger drag 90% of the time
Dec 04 06:24:43 <rip_> I can't stand using my fingers on the screen
Dec 04 06:24:52 <Luria> screen protector
Dec 04 06:25:00 <Luria> so key
Dec 04 06:25:06 <rip_> getting a Screen protector in Australia isn't that easy :p
Dec 04 06:25:10 <rip_> I have to order from the States
Dec 04 06:25:18 <Luria> yeah, that sucks
Dec 04 06:25:25 <rip_> yes... :(
Dec 04 06:25:37 <rip_> even places that sell n800's online here, don't sell the protectors
Dec 04 06:25:55 <rip_> which bites
Dec 04 06:26:06 <Luria> im just glad that the nokia flagship store started selling n800 accessories
Dec 04 06:26:30 <Luria> esp the headset cause bluetooth isnt working for me
Dec 04 06:26:51 <Luria> incidentally, is anyone using the proper os2008 beta?
Dec 04 06:27:13 <astro76> rip_, free shipping here untill tomorrow http://shop.brando.com.hk/prod_detail.php?prod_id=00337&dept_id=&cat_id=0018
Dec 04 06:27:21 <astro76> worldwide free shipping
Dec 04 06:27:28 <rip_> cool
Dec 04 06:27:38 <rip_> Ill have a read
Dec 04 06:27:39 <rip_> cheers
Dec 04 06:28:34 <Luria> dunno. there are some odd response issues with the n800 under os2008
Dec 04 06:28:34 <rip_> the Nokia 770 screen protectors fit the N800's fine ?
Dec 04 06:28:40 <GeneralAntilles> Yes.
Dec 04 06:28:42 <Luria> rip, yeah
Dec 04 06:28:55 <rip_> sweet, never owned a Nokia 770
Dec 04 06:29:38 <rip_> cheers
Dec 04 06:32:01 <Luria> was happy to see vnc today
Dec 04 06:32:26 <Luria> its like major release day, every day, these days.
Dec 04 06:33:38 <Luria> anyone try transmission?
Dec 04 06:34:29 <astro76> just installed it but haven't used it yet... looks nice and spartan
Dec 04 06:34:35 <astro76> quite opposite the nightmare that is azureus
Dec 04 06:34:44 <Luria> it works nicely
Dec 04 06:34:51 <Luria> better than using ctorrent
Dec 04 06:34:57 <Luria> but needs some ui changes
Dec 04 06:35:19 <Luria> i think some options arent displayed in prefs given the screen size
Dec 04 06:35:58 <astro76> oh you mean on the tablet?
Dec 04 06:36:03 <Luria> yeah
Dec 04 06:36:05 <GeneralAntilles> For all you poor Canadians: http://accessories.dell.com/sna/products/Tablet_PC/productdetail.aspx?c=ca&l=en&s=dhs&cs=cadhs1&sku=A1300078
Dec 04 06:36:06 <astro76> lol
Dec 04 06:36:15 <astro76> didn't know about that
Dec 04 06:36:38 <Luria> i should stress that i *think* this is the case
Dec 04 06:36:51 <GeneralAntilles> It's really not a proper port.
Dec 04 06:36:57 <Luria> but when you see the pref screen youll see it's very cramped
Dec 04 06:36:59 <GeneralAntilles> Recompile is a better description.
Dec 04 06:37:07 <astro76> well looking at the Transmission prefs in Ubuntu, it's not much
Dec 04 06:37:28 <Luria> GeneralAntilles, that in and of itself is pretty impressive, how easy that was
Dec 04 06:37:40 <Luria> yeah, well, im not expecting ktorrent
Dec 04 06:37:57 <Luria> wow. lots of people trying to sell their fixies on nyc craigslist
Dec 04 06:38:00 <GeneralAntilles> With Gtk now more closely matching upstream, it should be a whole lot easier.
Dec 04 06:38:06 <GeneralAntilles> "5 minutes" was what the ported said.
Dec 04 06:38:31 <GeneralAntilles> This is why all the people bitching about the API breaks don't know what they're talking about.
Dec 04 06:38:39 <Luria> now i just need a openvpn frontend
Dec 04 06:39:06 <Luria> well, there was good reason to break. it's still a pain, tho.
Dec 04 06:43:04 <GeneralAntilles> The benefits far outweigh the temporary pain of upgrading. ;)
Dec 04 06:43:10 <GeneralAntilles> The pain will last a couple months
Dec 04 06:43:14 <GeneralAntilles> the benefits will last for years.
Dec 04 06:47:29 <Luria> its like a the reverse of marriage
Dec 04 06:47:47 <Luria> err. scratch one "a"
Dec 04 06:50:29 * timelyx wonders who non-screamingN80 is
Dec 04 06:51:27 <Luria> anyone tethered with a sony k850i?
Dec 04 06:52:35 <Luria> why are there (almost) no triband (or better, quad) hsdpa phone
Dec 04 06:53:34 <Luria> its like the idiotic old days of triband world phone
Dec 04 06:53:50 <GeneralAntilles> I like my SGH-A717. :)
Dec 04 06:54:02 <Luria> yeah, but 1.8 only
Dec 04 06:54:06 <GeneralAntilles> Battery life is a little low, but it works great with the tablets.
Dec 04 06:54:15 <Luria> the slm does better, but no 2100mhz
Dec 04 06:54:24 <GeneralAntilles> Good point.
Dec 04 06:54:44 <Luria> my phone broke a couple days ago
Dec 04 06:55:00 <Luria> im using a (freshly unlocked) t68i
Dec 04 06:55:20 <Luria> it reminds me of the old days with my t39m
Dec 04 06:55:27 <Luria> now that was a phone.
Dec 04 06:55:41 <timelyx> Luria: full screen isn't license to use the wrong words
Dec 04 06:55:41 <Luria> other than the stupid ericsson ui
Dec 04 06:55:56 <timelyx> just because map breaks one convention isn't a license for it to break the other
Dec 04 06:56:06 <Luria> Luria, thats fine. i still would like a "quit" button then
Dec 04 06:56:30 <GeneralAntilles> I still miss my Nextel i1000. ;)
Dec 04 06:56:52 <Luria> what was great about the t39 was that it had all the electronics of the day...
Dec 04 06:56:59 <Luria> but it was black and white
Dec 04 06:57:27 <Luria> i would *LOVE* a oled/eink/b+w phone with quadband gsm and quadband hsdpa
Dec 04 06:57:34 <GeneralAntilles> It was huge, and it only did one thing: make phone calls, but the battery life was incredible and you could spend all day breaking rocks and not put a dent in it.
Dec 04 06:57:48 <Luria> make it 7.2 mbs while im smoking crack
Dec 04 06:57:52 <timelyx> Luria: i have a w950i i use for showing people how a non sucky browser could work
Dec 04 06:58:14 <Luria> timelyx, have you seen the k850i?
Dec 04 06:58:30 <GeneralAntilles> Need a faster bluetooth, first.
Dec 04 06:58:50 <timelyx> Luria: auto rotate....
Dec 04 06:58:57 <Luria> yeah
Dec 04 06:59:08 <timelyx> but no touch screen?
Dec 04 06:59:12 <Luria> no
Dec 04 06:59:19 <Luria> capacitance switches tho
Dec 04 06:59:31 <timelyx> sorry, not buying
Dec 04 06:59:51 <Luria> well, its the only triband hsdpa phone without wm6
Dec 04 06:59:52 <timelyx> if i want a classic cell phone, i'll use this n81 8gb which keeps running out of battery
Dec 04 07:00:10 <Luria> that i know of, at least
Dec 04 07:00:18 <Luria> i would love to be wrong.
Dec 04 07:00:23 <timelyx> have you read the specs for the w950i?
Dec 04 07:00:42 <timelyx> do people really have something against searching for bugs?
Dec 04 07:01:04 <Luria> yes
Dec 04 07:01:05 <GeneralAntilles> Yes, timelyx.
Dec 04 07:01:11 <timelyx> this guy's bug actually was almost well filed
Dec 04 07:01:12 <GeneralAntilles> It's difficult and time consuming.
Dec 04 07:01:19 <Luria> q&a is like teaching kindergarten.
Dec 04 07:01:25 <Luria> its women's work
Dec 04 07:01:27 <GeneralAntilles> and, of course, bugs.maemo.org is the customer support line
Dec 04 07:01:30 * Luria ducks and covers
Dec 04 07:01:38 <GeneralAntilles> so they shouldn't have to search. ;)
Dec 04 07:02:05 <GeneralAntilles> They have a problem, you guys need to figure it out. :P
Dec 04 07:02:17 <timelyx> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2471#c1
Dec 04 07:02:22 <timelyx> please say i was friendly enough
Dec 04 07:03:10 <Luria> w950i doesnt have hsdpa
Dec 04 07:03:42 <Luria> wtf, 384 gprs?
Dec 04 07:03:59 <rip_> anyone cracked open the Nokia N800's or equiv and looked what sort of ram it has ?
Dec 04 07:04:20 <GeneralAntilles> timelyx, I'd say you have free license to be nice or as bitchy as you want. ;)
Dec 04 07:04:21 <Luria> there are some interior shots somewhere
Dec 04 07:04:31 <timelyx> GeneralAntilles: sometimes i'm very bitchy
Dec 04 07:04:40 <timelyx> but i try not to always be that way
Dec 04 07:05:13 <GeneralAntilles> The attitude used to put me off when I first started using bugzilla, "Who the fuck IS this asshole?"
Dec 04 07:05:15 <GeneralAntilles> But then I learned.
Dec 04 07:06:06 <Luria> rip_, http://picasaweb.google.com/thoughtfix/N800Opening
Dec 04 07:06:11 <Luria> good luck
Dec 04 07:06:15 <rip_> cool cheers,
Dec 04 07:06:15 <timelyx> GeneralAntilles: basically w/ me it's russian roulette
Dec 04 07:06:21 <timelyx> either i'm nice and you ignore me
Dec 04 07:06:25 <rip_> was just wondering if its possible to upgrade the ram :p
Dec 04 07:06:33 <timelyx> or i'm rude, and if you're worth it, we correspond
Dec 04 07:06:37 <timelyx> and then you like me :)
Dec 04 07:06:42 <rip_> on my OpenWRT Linksys they are easy enough to desolder ram and put it back together
Dec 04 07:06:53 <GeneralAntilles> Is that a battery I see in there: http://picasaweb.google.com/thoughtfix/N800Opening/photo#5024760275316981378 ?
Dec 04 07:07:20 <Luria> looks like
Dec 04 07:07:23 <GeneralAntilles> Up next to the external SD pins.
Dec 04 07:07:42 <Luria> on the outside of the board, yeah
Dec 04 07:07:49 <GeneralAntilles> Good to know.
Dec 04 07:07:54 <rip_> great, everything is covered in metal plates :p hiding the guts
Dec 04 07:08:12 <Luria> there were some other take apart pics, i think
Dec 04 07:08:21 <GeneralAntilles> rip_, the N800 is in no way shape or form remotely similar to the WTR54GL. :P
Dec 04 07:08:45 <Luria> gah. gl.
Dec 04 07:08:50 <Luria> latecomer :-)
Dec 04 07:09:02 <GeneralAntilles> I have a v1.1 that just died back home. ;)
Dec 04 07:09:07 <Luria> wrt54gs 1/2 were the best
Dec 04 07:09:18 <rip_> well, yes i know ;) I was just curious how easy it would be to desolder ram ;) and/or if its possible to swap it out :p
Dec 04 07:09:37 <Luria> about as easy as switching a bga p3 notebook chop
Dec 04 07:09:40 <Luria> chip
Dec 04 07:09:55 <GeneralAntilles> Isn't the RAM part of the SOC or somesuch?
Dec 04 07:10:07 <Luria> if you can do that, lemme know. i have a cf-m34 that id love to speed up.
Dec 04 07:10:34 <GeneralAntilles> I've been buying these: http://www.buffalotech.com/products/wireless/wireless-g-125-high-speed/wireless-g-high-speed-router/ in favor of the Linksys stuff.
Dec 04 07:10:39 <GeneralAntilles> They work rather wonderfully.
Dec 04 07:10:41 <Luria> GeneralAntilles, i dont think so.
Dec 04 07:10:48 <Luria> http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbuproductcontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=11990&path=templatedata/cm/product/data/omap_2420
Dec 04 07:11:03 <Luria> top right corner.
Dec 04 07:11:23 <kulve> has somebody extracted the rootfs as tarball from the it2008beta for n800?
Dec 04 07:11:25 <GeneralAntilles> Right you are, sir. :)
Dec 04 07:11:54 <Luria> GeneralAntilles, i got one of those. flashing alt firmware is a pain.
Dec 04 07:12:11 <Luria> otherwise great
Dec 04 07:12:21 <mariorz> you guys see this http://paolo.evectors.it/2007/11/30.html#a3381
Dec 04 07:12:24 <mariorz> ?
Dec 04 07:12:48 <Luria> yes
Dec 04 07:12:52 <Luria> fun demo
Dec 04 07:13:02 <Luria> very zen sand garden
Dec 04 07:13:11 <mariorz> not open :(
Dec 04 07:13:13 <Luria> ok. gotta go.
Dec 04 07:13:27 <mariorz> and not for maemo :(
Dec 04 07:13:38 <GeneralAntilles> Where's my OMAP34xx? :(
Dec 04 07:13:41 <Luria> that would be fun
Dec 04 07:14:07 <Luria> wheres my xflective n800 with wimax
Dec 04 07:14:22 <GeneralAntilles> Be neat if Nokia would stick an iR LED in there somewher.
Dec 04 07:14:35 <Luria> meh
Dec 04 07:14:44 <Luria> real ir or irda
Dec 04 07:14:56 <Luria> cause irda blows, and it always sucked.
Dec 04 07:15:05 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, I'd just use it as a universal remote. ;)
Dec 04 07:15:28 <Luria> is there a bluetooth module?
Dec 04 07:17:25 <Luria> bbl, i think
Dec 04 07:17:58 <GeneralAntilles> Cool thing about the OMAP34xx is that the LCD controller shouldn't need to be custom.
Dec 04 07:18:12 <GeneralAntilles> So we should have plenty of video bandwidth.
Dec 04 07:18:30 <rip_> I'd love to see what they come up with next on the Tablet series
Dec 04 07:18:44 <rip_> fullsized SDcards would be a must :p
Dec 04 07:18:45 <GeneralAntilles> Hopefully drivers for the PowerVR, too.
Dec 04 07:19:01 <rip_> hopefully they don't cut the sdcards down like in the N810
Dec 04 07:19:07 <GeneralAntilles> The N900 is going to be something to see.
Dec 04 07:19:15 <limepi> hey, does anyone have any tips on getting a fabric BT keyboard to play nice with the n800
Dec 04 07:19:41 <GeneralAntilles> Standard bluetooth HID?
Dec 04 07:19:49 <limepi> "elektex"
Dec 04 07:19:49 <timelyx> Tue Dec 4 2007 07:17:12 GMT+3
Dec 04 07:19:49 <timelyx> Monkey's are eating my hair
Dec 04 07:19:51 <timelyx> today's quip
Dec 04 07:20:00 <timelyx> anyone want to add "Monkey's dead, RIP" ?
Dec 04 07:20:05 <GeneralAntilles> Haha
Dec 04 07:20:07 <GeneralAntilles> Sure
Dec 04 07:20:12 <rip_> I think Monkey's are eating my hair is mine
Dec 04 07:20:13 <rip_> :p
Dec 04 07:20:14 <limepi> they have some proprietary drivers for everything :(
Dec 04 07:20:20 <timelyx> i presume you know how to add a quip?
Dec 04 07:20:24 <limepi> http://g-techworld.com/mainFAQ.php#2.1
Dec 04 07:20:24 <GeneralAntilles> Or: "Ding, dong, _Monkey's dead!"
Dec 04 07:20:54 <rip_> lol
Dec 04 07:20:56 <timelyx> whichever
Dec 04 07:20:59 <GeneralAntilles> Done, timelyx.
Dec 04 07:21:02 <timelyx> :)
Dec 04 07:21:08 <timelyx> we'll see how long it takes for me to hit that
Dec 04 07:21:24 <timelyx> hrm, this sucks
Dec 04 07:21:33 <timelyx> quips doesn't tell me how many quips there are
Dec 04 07:21:48 <limepi> googling "electex maemo" is practically a googlewhack
Dec 04 07:21:54 <timelyx> 36
Dec 04 07:22:02 <timelyx> shouldn't take too long to hit yours :)
Dec 04 07:22:24 <timelyx> rip_: ah, the quip i quoted was yours
Dec 04 07:22:38 <rip_> lol
Dec 04 07:23:01 <timelyx> sorry, admin prerogative, i peeked :)
Dec 04 07:23:05 <rip_> yeah im pretty sure thats mine :p I wrote something about monkeys and hair
Dec 04 07:23:08 <rip_> :P
Dec 04 07:23:18 <rip_> I can't exactly remember though
Dec 04 07:23:32 <GeneralAntilles> The IVA accelerator (along with the PowerVR) isn't being used in the N800, right?
Dec 04 07:23:32 <timelyx> it tells me who did it, although when only by relative
Dec 04 07:23:40 <timelyx> i can figure out more detailed by reading the server logs
Dec 04 07:23:49 <timelyx> this is partly to remind people that such things are not annonymous
Dec 04 07:24:03 <rip_> haha fair enough ;)
Dec 04 07:24:03 <timelyx> if you add abusive quips, they'll be removed and we might send mail to you
Dec 04 07:24:04 <GeneralAntilles> "Fuck Nokia, and fuck maemo"
Dec 04 07:24:08 <limepi> heh
Dec 04 07:24:24 <timelyx> heck, I might give you a phone call :)
Dec 04 07:24:33 <rip_> oh how nerdy is this,  "my ~ is my castle"
Dec 04 07:24:44 <timelyx> heh
Dec 04 07:24:56 <timelyx> personally i prefer "my name is my password"
Dec 04 07:25:04 <limepi> plz hope http://www.g-techworld.com/mainFAQ.php#1.4
Dec 04 07:25:24 <rip_> I had a friend who kept repeating to his mac "My voice is my password"
Dec 04 07:25:24 <timelyx> limepi: noisy
Dec 04 07:25:39 <rip_> to setup some horrid voice lock
Dec 04 07:25:48 <timelyx> limepi: BT keyboards should just work
Dec 04 07:25:52 <timelyx> i haven't heard of any problems w/ them
Dec 04 07:26:01 <limepi> this is a proprietary nonsense thing I guess
Dec 04 07:26:06 <timelyx> BT audio comes in a couple of flavors, and they should work partially eventually
Dec 04 07:26:12 <timelyx> some parts today
Dec 04 07:26:20 <limepi> it says it uses the serial port profile
Dec 04 07:26:34 <timelyx> oh
Dec 04 07:26:34 <timelyx> yuck
Dec 04 07:26:40 <timelyx> why the ****
Dec 04 07:27:11 <timelyx> complain to the bt linux people that there's no support for this stupid device
Dec 04 07:27:18 <timelyx> someone should be willing to help you fix that
Dec 04 07:27:22 <limepi> i took back a crappy ionic breeze "purifier" that was a gift
Dec 04 07:27:25 <limepi> at the sharper image
Dec 04 07:27:37 <timelyx> limepi: but seriously, if you file a bug w/ some technical details in bugzilla connectivity:bluetooth
Dec 04 07:27:39 <rip_> I'm guessing the Hand writing in Maemo is also proprietary ?
Dec 04 07:27:43 <timelyx> we can probably order a device and get it implemented
Dec 04 07:27:46 <limepi> and saw that they had 1) a bt keyboard 2) made of goshdarned fabric
Dec 04 07:27:46 <timelyx> (no promises)
Dec 04 07:27:53 <timelyx> rip_: not owned by nokia
Dec 04 07:27:54 <limepi> timelyx, I'm on it :D
Dec 04 07:28:04 <timelyx> limepi: be sure to fill in the url field
Dec 04 07:28:14 <timelyx> and be sure to quote the bit in 1.4 that mentions serial port profile
Dec 04 07:28:26 <timelyx> and the bit in 1.6 about dependent/drivers
Dec 04 07:28:38 <rip_> timelyx: so its OSS?
Dec 04 07:28:46 <timelyx> rip_: proprietary
Dec 04 07:28:52 <rip_> ahh ok fair enough
Dec 04 07:28:53 <timelyx> but literally not owned by nokia
Dec 04 07:29:00 <timelyx> so if we wanted to oss it, we couldn't
Dec 04 07:29:13 <rip_> shame they didn't
Dec 04 07:29:15 <timelyx> note: nokia has some strange ideas about when to oss and why
Dec 04 07:29:29 <timelyx> this would /probably/ fall into the "don't oss" category
Dec 04 07:29:43 <timelyx> i'm not sure if i'm allowed to explain the why
Dec 04 07:29:49 <timelyx> it's probably obvious
Dec 04 07:29:51 <GeneralAntilles> timelyx, you need to do something about the reproducibility heading.
Dec 04 07:29:55 <GeneralAntilles> Nobody knows how to use it.
Dec 04 07:30:16 <timelyx> GeneralAntilles: i'm switching people to this: https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Browser&component=MicroB%20engine&format=guided&rep_platform=ARM&op_sys=Linux
Dec 04 07:30:21 <timelyx> that should solve my problems
Dec 04 07:30:31 <rip_> fair enough, I'd like to see my bug confirmed :p
Dec 04 07:30:32 <timelyx> i'm sorry people hacked the primary form instead of just forcing guided
Dec 04 07:30:41 <limepi> http://www.g-techworld.com/mainDriverSupport_OS.php
Dec 04 07:30:44 <rip_> would at least let me know I'm not crazy ;)
Dec 04 07:31:20 <timelyx> limepi: also, include contact info (that page's tech support number sounds good)
Dec 04 07:31:32 <timelyx> limepi: also, after you buy it, please contact g-tech and tell them you want it to work w/ your n800
Dec 04 07:31:38 <GeneralAntilles> The frame for the search is a little awkward.
Dec 04 07:31:50 <limepi> yeah... I'll do that
Dec 04 07:31:56 <limepi> but I want it to work now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dec 04 07:32:08 <limepi> stupid sharper image
Dec 04 07:32:28 <astro76> eww
Dec 04 07:32:31 <timelyx> GeneralAntilles: gah, try it on bmo, if you have complaints, talk to irc.mozilla.org #mozwebtools/#bmo
Dec 04 07:32:34 <timelyx> it should match what they use
Dec 04 07:32:39 <timelyx> and if that can be improved, it should
Dec 04 07:32:47 <astro76> limepi, there's the stowaway ultra-slim on amazon for $30
Dec 04 07:33:13 <limepi> astro76, this keyboard is made of fabric and you can roll it up and it seems to be sweet
Dec 04 07:33:17 <limepi> if only it worked
Dec 04 07:33:32 <astro76> ah that would be neat
Dec 04 07:33:56 <rip_> Just out of curiosity does any ideas bounce between OpenMoko and Maemo ?
Dec 04 07:34:01 <rip_> if anyone knows.
Dec 04 07:34:04 <GeneralAntilles> Ah, right, not your doing. Rgr.
Dec 04 07:35:05 <GeneralAntilles> I'd provide some more examples and more descriptive text, though, timelyx.
Dec 04 07:35:09 <limepi> stupid bleeding-edge technology
Dec 04 07:35:39 <timelyx> GeneralAntilles: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2463 is my bug for enabling it
Dec 04 07:35:47 <timelyx> if you want to file a bug depend/block that bug and make suggestions
Dec 04 07:38:51 <limepi> ...how do I set up a COM port on the n800?
Dec 04 07:38:57 <limepi> maybe i can solve my own problem
Dec 04 07:42:31 <astro76> if you can get the manuf. to give you the protocol and write a driver
Dec 04 07:42:43 <astro76> unless it's bluetooth HID keyboard you are out of luck
Dec 04 07:42:56 <astro76> or the nokia one apparently
Dec 04 07:44:26 <timelyx> afaik the nokia one is hid
Dec 04 07:44:29 <timelyx> am i wrong?
Dec 04 07:45:08 <[pablo]> i just noticed that gmail still shows the old version in microb on os2008 because it uses firefox 3 instead of 2
Dec 04 07:45:50 <timelyx> um
Dec 04 07:45:55 <astro76> timelyx, no it's not
Dec 04 07:46:04 <timelyx> you *don't* want to use the ui=2 gmail on n800/n810
Dec 04 07:46:07 <timelyx> it's way too heavy
Dec 04 07:46:17 <timelyx> i'm fairly certain google intentionally changed its behavior
Dec 04 07:46:19 <timelyx> we used to get ui=2
Dec 04 07:46:40 <[pablo]> it seems snappier than the old version to me
Dec 04 07:46:45 <timelyx> imo it's an impovement
Dec 04 07:46:55 <timelyx> ui=2 is way too heavy for our device
Dec 04 07:47:07 <timelyx> you actually want to use http://mail.google.com/mail/h/ in most cases
Dec 04 07:47:16 <timelyx> you won't really get much benefit from ui=1
Dec 04 07:47:26 <timelyx> and you should try http://mail.google.com/mail/x/
Dec 04 07:48:32 <timelyx> probably the only useful feature you get from ui=1 is autosave in mail compose
Dec 04 07:48:36 <[pablo]> i'll try those, anything to speed it up
Dec 04 07:49:05 <timelyx> x/ should be instant fast
Dec 04 07:49:07 <limepi> do you think maybe the keyboard will just work with os 2008?
Dec 04 07:49:13 <timelyx> limepi: no
Dec 04 07:49:17 <timelyx> not a chance
Dec 04 07:49:21 <limepi> :(
Dec 04 07:49:24 <timelyx> if it had any chance they'd have listed linux
Dec 04 07:49:28 <limepi> should I update to '08 anyway
Dec 04 07:49:36 <timelyx> hardware vendors have marketing divisions
Dec 04 07:49:40 <limepi> they support symbian...
Dec 04 07:49:43 <timelyx> and marketing would want to list Linux
Dec 04 07:49:46 <astro76> limepi, well, 08 is much improved with an hid keyboard ;)
Dec 04 07:50:44 <timelyx> limepi: use gronmayer and figure out if the apps you use are available
Dec 04 07:50:56 <timelyx> then ask yourself if you use the FKB to enter passwords
Dec 04 07:51:06 <timelyx> if the answer to that last question is yes, then the answer is  NO
Dec 04 07:51:18 <timelyx> if the answer to the first question is yes, then "maybe"
Dec 04 07:51:30 <timelyx> but keep in mind that you'll almost certainly need to reflash for final
Dec 04 07:51:33 <GeneralAntilles> It boggles the mind that after two years Nokia still can't get the text entry to be at least mildly reliable.
Dec 04 07:51:40 <limepi> because the thing will pair
Dec 04 07:51:45 <timelyx> (it'd be cool if we tested deb update for final, but i highly doubt that)
Dec 04 07:51:47 <limepi> but the kb shows up as a phone
Dec 04 07:51:59 <timelyx> limepi: a phone? lol
Dec 04 07:52:06 <timelyx> what profiles does it list?
Dec 04 07:52:13 <timelyx> note that GPS modules do not show up as phones
Dec 04 07:52:37 <timelyx> so i believe that's a bug (please file, include bt profile list, and preferably a bt debug dump, search connectivity:bluetooth for the commands)
Dec 04 07:52:39 <limepi> SPP
Dec 04 07:52:43 <timelyx> that's all?
Dec 04 07:52:46 <limepi> yeah
Dec 04 07:52:47 <timelyx> oh
Dec 04 07:52:50 * timelyx ponders
Dec 04 07:52:53 <limepi> I don't even know what a SPP is
Dec 04 07:52:55 <timelyx> imagine your phone can act like a modem
Dec 04 07:52:58 <timelyx> serial port profile
Dec 04 07:53:04 <limepi> ah
Dec 04 07:53:07 <timelyx> a modem is basically a serial port
Dec 04 07:53:09 <limepi> yeah
Dec 04 07:53:15 <limepi> so this thing is like a freaking tty
Dec 04 07:53:18 <timelyx> if your phone really sucks
Dec 04 07:53:24 <timelyx> it could support just SPP
Dec 04 07:53:32 <limepi> TTY CALL PLEASE USE TEXT TELEPHONE
Dec 04 07:53:48 <timelyx> and in that case, the guess of a phone icon
Dec 04 07:53:51 <timelyx> would be right
Dec 04 07:53:57 * timelyx frowns
Dec 04 07:54:05 <timelyx> if i was filing, i'd file unco
Dec 04 07:54:23 <timelyx> and probably include bt mac address, plus info from the vendor for their device range
Dec 04 07:54:34 <timelyx> so that it could be specifically blacklisted as "not a phone"
Dec 04 07:54:50 <limepi> okay, total derail here
Dec 04 07:54:52 <timelyx> because i think the guess is /probably/ the right guess unfortunately
Dec 04 07:55:09 <limepi> is there any way that I can make the boot screen not have the lame nokia photos
Dec 04 07:55:22 <GeneralAntilles> Why in the world would they manufacture a bt keyboard that's not HID? :\
Dec 04 07:55:24 <limepi> but instead the neat linux setup gibberish
Dec 04 07:55:39 <timelyx> yes
Dec 04 07:55:50 <timelyx> read ./flasher3 --help
Dec 04 07:56:02 <timelyx> you want --enable-rd-flags=serial-console or something
Dec 04 07:56:08 <timelyx> but you really want to copy from help
Dec 04 07:56:12 <timelyx> not from my memory
Dec 04 07:56:18 * timelyx *never* uses that flag
Dec 04 07:56:20 <timelyx> actually
Dec 04 07:56:23 <timelyx> is it that one?
Dec 04 07:56:29 <timelyx> or --enable-rd-mode ?
Dec 04 07:56:31 <limepi> okay... firstly... um... I haven't even gained root on my n800
Dec 04 07:56:35 <timelyx> one of them gets you ugly green text
Dec 04 07:56:41 <limepi> because I haven't tried
Dec 04 07:56:42 <timelyx> probably rd-mode
Dec 04 07:56:54 <GeneralAntilles> RD mode wont get you console
Dec 04 07:56:54 <timelyx> http://timeless.justdave.net/capture-root-0.1.deb
Dec 04 07:57:01 <GeneralAntilles> just some version info.
Dec 04 07:57:12 <timelyx> that's how i gained root a few hours ago :)
Dec 04 07:57:13 <limepi> I'm using OS X and I want to use OS 2008
Dec 04 07:57:26 <limepi> I see the instructions on the wiki
Dec 04 07:57:30 <timelyx> no flasher required
Dec 04 07:57:35 <kulve> I've built the tabler-browser-ui and the microb from browser.garage.maemo.org. Is there a way to configure it using a proxy?
Dec 04 07:57:41 <timelyx> all i needed was http access to that deb (and ssh)
Dec 04 07:57:53 <timelyx> kulve: connectivity control panel
Dec 04 07:58:07 <timelyx> we honor the stupid prefs from that evil icd thing
Dec 04 07:58:22 <kulve> timelyx: well, I don't have CP..
Dec 04 07:58:30 <timelyx> or you can try to disable microb's "read system prefs" and then use standard gecko prefs
Dec 04 07:58:30 <limepi> timelyx, what do you mean, no flasher required?
Dec 04 07:58:31 <kulve> or maemo actually..
Dec 04 07:58:44 <timelyx> limepi: to root the device? correct
Dec 04 07:58:50 <timelyx> but it won't get you any text on the screen
Dec 04 07:59:02 <timelyx> you'll just be able to ssh root@127.1 or ssh root@localhost
Dec 04 07:59:27 <timelyx> someone want to explain how to add a package to downloads.maemo.org? :)
Dec 04 07:59:45 <kulve> downloads.maemo.org is a bug. maemo.org/download works
Dec 04 07:59:55 <limepi> ah, I wanna update to 2008, too
Dec 04 07:59:55 <limepi> any caveats, tips, etc?
Dec 04 07:59:57 <timelyx> when i tried this morning maemo.org/download didn't work
Dec 04 08:00:09 <timelyx> limepi: don't use the FKB to enter passwords
Dec 04 08:00:15 <kulve> timelyx: try downlaods
Dec 04 08:00:16 <timelyx> unless the only key you use in passwords is *
Dec 04 08:00:17 <kulve> loads
Dec 04 08:00:32 <limepi> FKB?
Dec 04 08:00:36 <timelyx> Error 404: Page could not be found.
Dec 04 08:00:36 <timelyx> The requested URL /download could not be found on this server.
Dec 04 08:00:50 <kulve> http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008
Dec 04 08:01:08 <timelyx> infobot fkb is finger keyboard (aka thumb keyboard), it will use asterisks for passwords in the current 2008 releases [this is a bug]
Dec 04 08:01:08 <K`zan> Night folks
Dec 04 08:01:09 <infobot> okay, timelyx
Dec 04 08:01:19 <limepi> ah
Dec 04 08:01:21 <limepi> heh
Dec 04 08:01:27 <limepi> the joys of OSS :D
Dec 04 08:01:27 <timelyx> infobot thumb keyboard is <reply> see fkb
Dec 04 08:01:28 <infobot> timelyx: okay
Dec 04 08:01:30 <timelyx> infobot finger keyboard is <reply> see fkb
Dec 04 08:01:31 * infobot raises his middle finger to keyboard is <reply> see fkb
Dec 04 08:01:50 <kulve> timelyx: the URL I gave is working and I even could log in
Dec 04 08:01:53 <timelyx> doh
Dec 04 08:02:41 <limepi> is this the right file? RX-34_2008SE_1.2007.44-4_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin
Dec 04 08:02:52 <timelyx> yes
Dec 04 08:03:06 <kulve> timelyx: to add a project there, first select proper category, then "create maemo app" from the toolbar..
Dec 04 08:03:36 <Khertan> Hi !
Dec 04 08:03:44 <timelyx> kulve: what license is a file that doesn't install anything under? :)
Dec 04 08:04:17 <kulve> don't understand the question..
Dec 04 08:04:29 <timelyx> http://timeless.justdave.net/capture-root-0.1.deb
Dec 04 08:04:38 <timelyx> analyze the file w/ dpkg-deb
Dec 04 08:04:42 <timelyx> it doesn't install anything
Dec 04 08:05:35 <kulve> if you are asking what category add it to, then "Communications"? :)
Dec 04 08:05:50 <timelyx> i chose system, is that wrong?
Dec 04 08:05:59 <kulve> or add a new group "Root your device"..
Dec 04 08:06:05 <timelyx> heh
Dec 04 08:06:07 <kulve> no, system is probably just fine (imo)
Dec 04 08:06:11 <timelyx> we should do that
Dec 04 08:06:17 <timelyx> since there are 4 or more ways now :)
Dec 04 08:06:49 <Khertan> for information i'm adding c / c++ and latex syntax hilight in PyGTKEditor ... if it's interest someone :)
Dec 04 08:09:12 <limepi> I'm flashing away :D
Dec 04 08:09:13 <kulve> timelyx: any hints how to disable the "read system prefs"? Or is it automatically disabled since I built a non-maemo non-debian build?
Dec 04 08:10:02 <timelyx> load about:config?sprefname=config.use_system_prefs
Dec 04 08:10:22 <timelyx> about:config?sprefname=network.proxy.type
Dec 04 08:10:27 <GeneralAntilles> Is there a list of rd-flags somewhere?
Dec 04 08:10:31 <timelyx> about:config?sprefname=network.proxy.autoconfig_url
Dec 04 08:10:38 <timelyx> GeneralAntilles: oddly flasher3's help lists them
Dec 04 08:10:49 <timelyx> yeah, it's a nokia product, it shouldn't do that
Dec 04 08:10:52 <GeneralAntilles> Only flasher-2.0.macosx over here.
Dec 04 08:11:05 <timelyx> does flasher2's help really not list them?
Dec 04 08:11:08 <limepi> flashing success :D
Dec 04 08:11:08 <GeneralAntilles> Ah, nevermind
Dec 04 08:11:10 <GeneralAntilles> There it goes.
Dec 04 08:11:31 <timelyx> kulve: um
Dec 04 08:11:38 <timelyx> https://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2007/311a5d78a24011dcaa0e73257fe384fc84fc/
Dec 04 08:11:44 <timelyx> doesn't seem like you can do anything
Dec 04 08:12:16 * timelyx likes the download link
Dec 04 08:12:46 <timelyx> GeneralAntilles / kulve: please don't fix that until they fix the bug i'm about to file :)
Dec 04 08:13:21 <limepi> whoa '08 is a world away from '07
Dec 04 08:13:58 <timelyx> GeneralAntilles / kulve: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2480 :)
Dec 04 08:14:04 * timelyx is evil
Dec 04 08:14:38 <timelyx> infobot capture root is http://timeless.justdave.net/capture-root-0.1.deb info at https://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2007/311a5d78a24011dcaa0e73257fe384fc84fc/
Dec 04 08:14:39 <infobot> 
ACTION chases root is http://timeless.justdave.net/capture-root-0.1.deb info at https://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2007/311a5d78a24011dcaa0e73257fe384fc84fc/ mercilessly for minutes, hours & days on end until he finally captures root is http://timeless.justdave.net/capture-root-0.1.deb info at ...
Dec 04 08:14:46 <timelyx> oh brother
Dec 04 08:15:03 <timelyx> infobot literal capture
Dec 04 08:15:09 <timelyx> infobot help capture
Dec 04 08:15:24 <timelyx> ok. so "finger" and "capture" are reserved words
Dec 04 08:16:22 * timelyx considers trying to speak infobot to infobot
Dec 04 08:16:30 <timelyx> (yes, they speak a language, and yes, i used to speak it)
Dec 04 08:17:23 <rip_> :\
Dec 04 08:17:57 <timelyx> http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/12/04/015229 is a great haha item
Dec 04 08:18:39 <GeneralAntilles> Haha
Dec 04 08:22:25 * GeneralAntilles really wants to disable the boot image now. :(
Dec 04 08:27:14 <limepi> so wait how can I make awesome startup screen with flasher2
Dec 04 08:27:31 <GeneralAntilles> I don't see a way, limepi.
Dec 04 08:27:39 <limepi> not even --enable-rd-mode
Dec 04 08:27:59 <GeneralAntilles> Not the awesomeness you're looking for.
Dec 04 08:28:15 <limepi> not like when you start up any other linux box
Dec 04 08:28:32 <GeneralAntilles> Nah, it just shows some version and HW info.
Dec 04 08:28:36 <limepi> it seems like that would be a trivial hack
Dec 04 08:28:54 <GeneralAntilles> No kidding
Dec 04 08:28:56 <limepi> well, if it's cooler than the current startup, I'm all for it
Dec 04 08:28:59 <GeneralAntilles> and something I'd really like to see. :)
Dec 04 08:29:33 <timelyx> limepi: there's a package for os2006 that lets you change the default boot screen to a vista logo
Dec 04 08:29:42 <timelyx> it's marked as a vista theme
Dec 04 08:29:47 <timelyx> find that package and review its contnet
Dec 04 08:29:52 <limepi> heh
Dec 04 08:29:53 <timelyx> s/net$/ent/
Dec 04 08:30:03 <timelyx> you think that's funny? i'm using it :)
Dec 04 08:30:08 <GeneralAntilles> Haha
Dec 04 08:30:08 <GeneralAntilles> WTF
Dec 04 08:30:11 <limepi> too involved!!! im all about lazyweb
Dec 04 08:30:26 <limepi> just complain to someone who knows how to fix it :)
Dec 04 08:31:01 <GeneralAntilles> I don't think the irony value of the Vista theme outweighs having to use it on a daily basis. ;)
Dec 04 08:31:40 <limepi> p.s. elektex still doesn't pair w/os 2008
Dec 04 08:33:00 <timelyx> limepi: did you find the sample bug?
Dec 04 08:33:16 <limepi> eh
Dec 04 08:33:50 <timelyx> maybe https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1149
Dec 04 08:33:59 <timelyx> or https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1711
Dec 04 08:36:20 <timelyx> those two seem to list the tools you'd want to use
Dec 04 08:39:00 <limepi> man, os 2008 is much snappier
Dec 04 08:40:13 * timelyx complains
Dec 04 08:40:16 <timelyx> another happy user
Dec 04 08:40:42 <limepi> lol, this is like the first 2 minutes of use
Dec 04 08:40:59 <limepi> I am pretty annoyed that my old software got nuked
Dec 04 08:41:22 <limepi> but there wasn't much anyway... ukmp black was the only program worth a hoot
Dec 04 08:41:24 <GeneralAntilles> Which?
Dec 04 08:41:29 <GeneralAntilles> It's been ported.
Dec 04 08:41:41 <limepi> of course it has
Dec 04 08:41:59 <kulve> limepi: the 2008 should be able to restore installed apps, so they shouldn't get nuked in the future..
Dec 04 08:42:03 <limepi> I'm just doing the traditional update bitch
Dec 04 08:42:12 <timelyx> kulve: not true
Dec 04 08:42:13 <GeneralAntilles> Ah, right, I see.
Dec 04 08:42:15 <limepi> it's kind of a ritual
Dec 04 08:42:16 <kulve> timelyx: oh?
Dec 04 08:42:19 <timelyx> it
Dec 04 08:42:22 <timelyx> 'll record the list
Dec 04 08:42:22 <GeneralAntilles> It just keeps a list
Dec 04 08:42:31 <limepi> like when mac users went from os 9 to os x
Dec 04 08:42:32 <timelyx> but when you try to restore, it won't have the primary catalog enabled
Dec 04 08:42:33 <GeneralAntilles> so you can restore them with the app manager.
Dec 04 08:42:34 <timelyx> so it won't ;-)
Dec 04 08:42:36 <limepi> and all complained about the dock
Dec 04 08:42:40 <timelyx> read m-vo :)
Dec 04 08:42:47 <kulve> timelyx: yeah, well, enable first the disabled repo and restore then
Dec 04 08:42:51 <timelyx> that's by far one of the coolest bugs....
Dec 04 08:42:59 <timelyx> typical of nokia design :)
Dec 04 08:43:01 <kulve> yeah
Dec 04 08:43:30 <timelyx> sorry m-vo: you're a nokian, and that really is typical nokia design
Dec 04 08:43:52 <timelyx> and in case people think i'm special, the web browser has at least as many warts
Dec 04 08:44:00 <timelyx> but thankfully i inherited them
Dec 04 08:44:09 <limepi> opera was way better than microb
Dec 04 08:44:12 <limepi> imo
Dec 04 08:44:23 <timelyx> your opinion isn't humble and doesn't matter
Dec 04 08:44:29 <limepi> :)
Dec 04 08:44:29 <GeneralAntilles> I still don't get why people are saying that.
Dec 04 08:44:31 <zeenix> timelyx: nokia is *big* company and 'nokia design' may refer to a lot of different designs
Dec 04 08:44:42 <limepi> GeneralAntilles, because it didn't mangle the crap out of pages
Dec 04 08:44:44 <timelyx> zeenix: i challenge you to find me two that are good
Dec 04 08:44:51 <timelyx> limepi: that's funny
Dec 04 08:44:54 <zeenix> timelyx: define good
Dec 04 08:45:05 <timelyx> since opera8.5 is something like 5 years old
Dec 04 08:45:11 <timelyx> and essentially does mangle modern pages
Dec 04 08:45:18 <timelyx> limepi: are you using fit width to view?
Dec 04 08:45:21 <limepi> yep
Dec 04 08:45:27 <limepi> so I can see
Dec 04 08:45:28 <timelyx> if so, you're *telling* the browser to mangle the page
Dec 04 08:45:35 <timelyx> and i so don't want to hear about it
Dec 04 08:45:35 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
Dec 04 08:45:38 <limepi> pssh
Dec 04 08:45:42 * timelyx resolves limepi as invalid
Dec 04 08:45:47 <timelyx> don't use that feature
Dec 04 08:45:56 <limepi> um, don't use the internet?
Dec 04 08:45:58 <timelyx> clearly the check box needs to show a dialog
Dec 04 08:45:59 <limepi> if I can't see it
Dec 04 08:46:26 <timelyx> "Enabling this feature will *mangle* all pages. Use it at your own risk. Complaints about mangled pages are not welcomed."
Dec 04 08:46:38 <limepi> like I wanna read my stolen ebooks in peace, and in big ol' letters
Dec 04 08:46:38 * timelyx sighs
Dec 04 08:46:46 <limepi> so feh on you
Dec 04 08:46:56 <timelyx> limepi: sorry. i hate mind reading
Dec 04 08:47:07 <timelyx> people who come in and say that product X breaks {world}
Dec 04 08:47:17 <limepi> at least you know your cognitive biases
Dec 04 08:47:20 <timelyx> when they mean "enabling a feature in X designed to break the world breaks the world"
Dec 04 08:47:33 <timelyx> is really not nice
Dec 04 08:47:42 <timelyx> the browsing engine in microb is much better
Dec 04 08:47:46 <limepi> yeah
Dec 04 08:47:54 <limepi> it almost ran meebo
Dec 04 08:48:01 <timelyx> its ability to help small screens render big content is indeed nowhere near as good as opera's
Dec 04 08:48:01 <limepi> while meebo just totally pinned opera
Dec 04 08:48:03 <limepi> "/
Dec 04 08:48:05 <limepi> er
Dec 04 08:48:09 <limepi> :/
Dec 04 08:48:16 <timelyx> however, opera has been in the embedded space forever
Dec 04 08:48:41 <limepi> riemann?
Dec 04 08:48:43 <timelyx> and while mozilla has been embeddable, most people haven't tried to make os adaptation algorithms
Dec 04 08:48:57 <limepi> (bad joke)
Dec 04 08:49:02 <Big_B> where should talk about flash lite . Amy body please!!!
Dec 04 08:49:12 <Big_B> any
Dec 04 08:49:47 <Big_B> Ia there any flash lite room like Maemo ??
Dec 04 08:49:54 <limepi> um
Dec 04 08:49:57 <limepi> #flash ?
Dec 04 08:50:16 <Big_B> Flash Lite
Dec 04 08:50:18 <limepi> #nichita
Dec 04 08:50:20 <timelyx> i don't know of anyone playing w/ flash light
Dec 04 08:50:34 <flatface> people use flash light?
Dec 04 08:50:41 <Big_B> I m serious . Please
Dec 04 08:51:45 <limepi> where's the canonical list of repositories? tia
Dec 04 08:52:00 <flatface> Big_B: it's pretty unpopular, so I don't think so. and even if there was, we probably don't know about it.
Dec 04 08:52:28 <GeneralAntilles> http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php?lang=en&system=maemo4
Dec 04 08:52:32 <Big_B> Ya . Thank you
Dec 04 08:52:38 <timelyx> Big_B: i'm serious
Dec 04 08:52:50 <limepi> GeneralAntilles, awesome
Dec 04 08:53:59 <GeneralAntilles> That was interesting.
Dec 04 08:55:10 * timelyx ponders
Dec 04 08:55:17 <timelyx> why is he so interested in flash light?
Dec 04 08:55:24 <timelyx> note: i'm personally curious about it
Dec 04 08:55:32 <timelyx> however i can't understand why a normal person would be
Dec 04 08:55:50 <timelyx> and my definition of normal for that statement includes pretty much everyone here :)
Dec 04 08:55:57 <GeneralAntilles> It's an enigma. :P
Dec 04 08:56:00 <limepi> what is flash light?
Dec 04 08:56:08 <limepi> is it macromedia related
Dec 04 08:56:08 <timelyx> a second flash impl from adobe
Dec 04 08:56:15 <timelyx> beyond that, i really don't know
Dec 04 08:56:15 <limepi> er... adobe
Dec 04 08:56:16 <limepi> heh
Dec 04 08:56:22 <flatface> it's a watered down version of adobe flash, and I've only ever seen it mentioned on my Noka E62.
Dec 04 08:56:23 <timelyx> they seem to be independent
Dec 04 08:56:40 <timelyx> i mean really independent
Dec 04 08:56:44 <GeneralAntilles> Maybe he just installed a copy of Adobe CS3, opened up Device Central, and wondered what the hell it was talking about?
Dec 04 08:56:58 <timelyx> but why ask in #maemo?
Dec 04 08:57:29 <flatface> timelyx: people stumble into the weirdest irc rooms for even weirder reasons.
Dec 04 08:57:37 <GeneralAntilles> He's actually an Adobe engineer who is porting it to the platform?
Dec 04 08:57:55 <flatface> and apparently #maemo is actually #411
Dec 04 08:58:01 <GeneralAntilles> flatface, IRC is a strange place.
Dec 04 08:58:09 <flatface> GeneralAntilles: got that right.
Dec 04 08:58:20 <limepi> irc is the sewage system of the series of tubes
Dec 04 08:58:21 <GeneralAntilles> Hmm . . . 411
Dec 04 08:58:38 <GeneralAntilles> No, that's AOL's "IRC", limepi. ;)
Dec 04 08:58:51 <limepi> we make everything run, but we're also where the s*it flows through
Dec 04 08:58:55 <limepi> oh come on
Dec 04 08:59:10 <flatface> I thought that was somethingawful/4chan.
Dec 04 08:59:13 <limepi> you know that all of the most disgusting pictures/disturbing memes started on irc
Dec 04 08:59:24 <limepi> IRC precedes both
Dec 04 08:59:34 <timelyx> predates?
Dec 04 08:59:47 <timelyx> precedes has a different ordering
Dec 04 08:59:54 <limepi> hm
Dec 04 09:00:23 <limepi> "To come, exist, or occur before in time"
Dec 04 09:01:10 <limepi> I might be a tad fail at being a 'leet hax0r, but I simply do not make usage errors
Dec 04 09:01:10 <timelyx> wrong tense
Dec 04 09:01:13 <GeneralAntilles> predate is a little less awkward in that context.
Dec 04 09:01:14 <timelyx> precedes would be present
Dec 04 09:01:21 <timelyx> preceded would be past
Dec 04 09:01:29 <timelyx> your word failed more for that reason
Dec 04 09:01:46 <limepi> arguable predates is better verbiage
Dec 04 09:02:03 <limepi> but precedes is still syntactically correct
Dec 04 09:02:07 <timelyx> nope :)
Dec 04 09:02:19 <timelyx> preceded would have been
Dec 04 09:02:19 <flatface> your grammar is breaking my mind
Dec 04 09:02:40 <GeneralAntilles> IRC is where all the grammar nazis come to play. :)
Dec 04 09:02:41 * timelyx frowns
Dec 04 09:03:00 <limepi> also
Dec 04 09:03:02 <limepi> actually
Dec 04 09:03:08 <limepi> the way you've parsed it is wrong
Dec 04 09:03:15 <limepi> and that's why you think it's a usage error
Dec 04 09:03:59 <limepi> what I was trying to articulate is the concept that SA/4Chan are the product of the sort of humor that blossoms on IRC
Dec 04 09:04:18 <limepi> predates implies independent discovery
Dec 04 09:04:34 <limepi> lulz existed long before encyclopedia dramatica
Dec 04 09:05:06 <limepi> much like the newsgroup preceded the blog
Dec 04 09:05:30 * timelyx frowns
Dec 04 09:05:44 <limepi> note the similarity to "precedent," in the legal sense
Dec 04 09:06:01 <limepi> as in "based upon previous decisions"
Dec 04 09:06:26 <timelyx> it's 11am, too early in the morning for this lecture
Dec 04 09:06:28 <limepi> man, you guys almost tricked me into believing I did teh dumb
Dec 04 09:06:36 <limepi> ...it's 1am here
Dec 04 09:06:57 <flatface> 4am here.
Dec 04 09:07:07 * GeneralAntilles high-fives flatface.
Dec 04 09:07:21 <limepi> GeneralAntilles, am I a grammar nazi?
Dec 04 09:07:38 <limepi> or merely a sympathizer
Dec 04 09:07:43 <doc|home> heh
Dec 04 09:07:47 <timelyx> sympathizer
Dec 04 09:07:51 <GeneralAntilles> Dunno, do you gas AOLers?
Dec 04 09:08:14 <limepi> if by gas you mean lastmeasure
Dec 04 09:08:31 <flatface> heh
Dec 04 09:09:02 <limepi> and actually I lied, I pulled that one in a channel that was relaying a macworld keynote
Dec 04 09:09:10 <limepi> with like 600 members and two ops
Dec 04 09:09:28 <timelyx> limepi: i'm still uncertain/unconvinced
Dec 04 09:09:47 <timelyx> but i'm certain i will not be more convinced w/o coffee (which i don't drink)
Dec 04 09:10:05 <limepi> wait, convinced that I'm a nazi w/r/t grammar?
Dec 04 09:10:18 <timelyx> no, your argument about your use of the wor
Dec 04 09:10:19 <timelyx> d
Dec 04 09:10:29 * timelyx gives up
Dec 04 09:10:33 <limepi> about the origins of sick humor on the internet?
Dec 04 09:10:45 <timelyx> just "precedes"
Dec 04 09:10:50 <timelyx> i accept the point you were trying to make
Dec 04 09:10:58 <timelyx> my quibble is merely w/ the word
Dec 04 09:11:13 <GeneralAntilles> I agree on the tense issue.
Dec 04 09:11:14 <limepi> timelyx, google it and check out the real-world usage
Dec 04 09:12:10 <timelyx> the examples i'm seeing in the first page are all continuous
Dec 04 09:12:19 <timelyx> i assume you meant the invention of irc
Dec 04 09:12:29 <limepi> and I mean, it's not "colorless green ideas sleep furiously"
Dec 04 09:12:31 <timelyx> if you meant continuous use of irc...
Dec 04 09:12:44 <limepi> um
Dec 04 09:12:53 <limepi> the word has connotations of both
Dec 04 09:13:24 <timelyx> the first 10 google hits are all for continuous
Dec 04 09:13:25 <limepi> as though there is a continuous flow of technology
Dec 04 09:14:15 <timelyx> well maybe survey war precedes venezuela referendum i suppose
Dec 04 09:14:25 <limepi> "the invention of the ENIAC computer was preceded by the ENIGMA encryption equipment used by Axis forces"
Dec 04 09:14:35 <timelyx> precedeD
Dec 04 09:14:45 <limepi> whoops
Dec 04 09:14:47 <limepi> heh
Dec 04 09:14:49 <timelyx> the word is fine, the quibble finally seems to be the tense
Dec 04 09:14:52 <limepi> was preceded
Dec 04 09:15:03 <limepi> that is sloppy
Dec 04 09:15:05 <limepi> :(
Dec 04 09:15:24 * timelyx dresses merrily  or something
Dec 04 09:15:26 <flatface> Holy crap, you're still arguing over this?
Dec 04 09:15:33 <limepi> we're not arguing
Dec 04 09:15:33 <timelyx> flatface: i'm a bad loser
Dec 04 09:15:36 <GeneralAntilles> This is IRC, flatface. ;)
Dec 04 09:15:36 * flatface goes back to "studying"
Dec 04 09:15:39 <timelyx> and we concluded
Dec 04 09:15:40 <flatface> yeah, I know
Dec 04 09:15:59 <limepi> we're doing PHILOSOPHY according to wittgenstein
Dec 04 09:16:05 <limepi> so thbbit
Dec 04 09:16:13 <timelyx> gah, no you're giving me reading for my vacation
Dec 04 09:16:15 <timelyx> that's mean
Dec 04 09:16:27 <timelyx> how can i enjoy rome if i have to find out who or what wittgenstein is/was
Dec 04 09:16:31 <limepi> ha
Dec 04 09:16:34 <limepi> bwahahaha
Dec 04 09:17:01 <limepi> you're not familiar with philosophy of language/mind?
Dec 04 09:17:21 <timelyx> i'm self taught?
Dec 04 09:17:25 <limepi> ditto
Dec 04 09:17:33 <timelyx> i need to find a woman who can give me more formal schooling
Dec 04 09:17:44 <limepi> why a woman
Dec 04 09:18:31 <limepi> you're obviously looking for someone to ask you
Dec 04 09:19:02 <red-zack> he is the guy is named jack the ripper ¬¬
Dec 04 09:19:37 <red-zack> nooo woman noo cryy...*sing*
Dec 04 09:29:33 <lardman> morning
Dec 04 09:30:16 <GeneralAntilles> Howdy, lardman.
Dec 04 09:30:31 <lardman> hi GeneralAntilles
Dec 04 09:35:05 <Rocketman> Anybody else notice really poor garbage collection on the n810?
Dec 04 09:35:40 <Rocketman> or possibly memory leaks?
Dec 04 09:35:46 <mgedmin> ?
Dec 04 09:35:55 <lardman> jffs2?
Dec 04 09:35:58 <Rocketman> I keep seeing my free memory go down and down
Dec 04 09:36:15 <mgedmin> if it goes down, then it's not a leak :-)
Dec 04 09:36:22 <lardman> leaking out
Dec 04 09:36:28 <lardman> :)
Dec 04 09:37:00 <timelyx> Rocketman: most maemo apps don't use garbage collection
Dec 04 09:37:05 <timelyx> the browser does, and python apps do
Dec 04 09:37:07 <timelyx> nothing else
Dec 04 09:37:15 <Rocketman> for example, will open web browser and then close it
Dec 04 09:37:22 <timelyx> the root file system does, but that's not ram
Dec 04 09:37:43 <timelyx> Rocketman: note that complaining about browser memory behavior will get you nowhere
Dec 04 09:37:44 <timelyx> fast
Dec 04 09:37:54 <timelyx> if you want to get something done, you need to be on irc.mozilla.org
Dec 04 09:37:55 <Rocketman> and will usually have like 15 MB less free
Dec 04 09:38:04 <timelyx> and you need to read at least pavlov's blog
Dec 04 09:38:13 <limepi> what are the must-have apps?
Dec 04 09:38:17 <lardman> Rocketman: it may remain cached
Dec 04 09:38:25 <timelyx> limepi: x terminal, ssh
Dec 04 09:38:40 * timelyx wonders if those are included w/ 2008
Dec 04 09:38:47 <limepi> xterm is
Dec 04 09:38:54 <Rocketman> x term finally is
Dec 04 09:39:09 <limepi> what about music/video/game etc.-wise
Dec 04 09:39:22 <GeneralAntilles> maemo mapper, FBReader, mplayer, limepi.
Dec 04 09:39:31 <limepi> also is there anything akin to netstumbler?
Dec 04 09:39:36 <Rocketman> your question is really broad
Dec 04 09:39:39 <GeneralAntilles> ScummVM, maybe.
Dec 04 09:39:39 <Rocketman> kismet
Dec 04 09:39:56 <limepi> I'm not seeing kismet in my app manager
Dec 04 09:39:56 <Rocketman> much, much better than netstumbler
Dec 04 09:40:00 <GeneralAntilles> Perhaps mmpc if you have an mpd set up.
Dec 04 09:40:11 <wumpus> openttd :)
Dec 04 09:40:23 <limepi> like, I kind of mean, what are the non-obvious great programs
Dec 04 09:41:13 <GeneralAntilles> I covered them for you, limepi. ;)
Dec 04 09:41:20 <timelyx> some people get ukmp
Dec 04 09:41:23 <flatface> Is it worth upgrading to 2008 beta now, or should I wait for final? I guess this question only applies if you have to wipe everything when doing the upgrade.
Dec 04 09:41:24 <wumpus> you can always look on garage.maemo.org and see if you find something else interesting
Dec 04 09:41:26 * timelyx doesn't do music
Dec 04 09:41:37 <GeneralAntilles> maemodrac, Doom, Quake I/II and gpe-sudok are good for games.
Dec 04 09:41:37 <limepi> ukmp was great on 2007
Dec 04 09:41:38 <timelyx> flatface: you will whipe
Dec 04 09:41:41 <timelyx> 99% certain :)
Dec 04 09:41:50 <flatface> :/
Dec 04 09:41:55 <timelyx> wipe
Dec 04 09:41:57 <timelyx> whatever
Dec 04 09:42:04 <timelyx> crazy parking is a good game
Dec 04 09:42:08 <GeneralAntilles> What's the matter with UKMP on OS2008, limepi?
Dec 04 09:42:09 <timelyx> especially for 4yo'd
Dec 04 09:42:21 <limepi> GeneralAntilles, nothing at all... I have yet to install it
Dec 04 09:42:23 <flatface> I may as well wait, then. I'm pretty lazy.
Dec 04 09:42:28 <GeneralAntilles> Ha, I played crazy parking with a real set.
Dec 04 09:42:35 <timelyx> flatface: in theory the backup restore can remember which things you installed
Dec 04 09:42:47 <limepi> GeneralAntilles, the plastic puzzle
Dec 04 09:42:49 <limepi> ?
Dec 04 09:42:53 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah.
Dec 04 09:42:55 <flatface> timelyx: but from what I read before, it might be useless if the repos change.
Dec 04 09:42:55 <timelyx> and as long as you're careful and walk through some convoluted steps you can use that app list to restore after you flash
Dec 04 09:43:11 <limepi> "rush hour"! yeah that game was great
Dec 04 09:43:14 <timelyx> flatface: doubter
Dec 04 09:43:21 <timelyx> limepi: oh, i started w/ real plastic
Dec 04 09:43:28 <limepi> ditto
Dec 04 09:43:30 <timelyx> but i didn't have my own set, so when i came to finland
Dec 04 09:43:36 <timelyx> this was the best i could find easily
Dec 04 09:43:36 <limepi> binarts ftw
Dec 04 09:43:39 <timelyx> yep
Dec 04 09:43:43 <timelyx> awesome company
Dec 04 09:43:56 <timelyx> i need to buy a couple of that game the next time i'm stateside
Dec 04 09:44:00 <limepi> although I think they just changed their name to something else
Dec 04 09:44:02 <timelyx> i can give it as gifts
Dec 04 09:44:16 <limepi> like how philip morris became altria
Dec 04 09:44:27 <timelyx> gah
Dec 04 09:44:50 <timelyx> http://www.jigsawjungle.com/code/teasers/rushour.htm
Dec 04 09:45:02 <limepi> ah... they renamed the company ThinkFun
Dec 04 09:45:20 <limepi> which is totally lame compared to binary arts
Dec 04 09:45:53 <limepi> which sounds like exactly what douglas hofstader would have named the company's puzzles
Dec 04 09:46:36 <timelyx> hopefully the dollar will have tanked a bit more before i'm back stateside
Dec 04 09:46:42 <timelyx> so i can afford to buy their games
Dec 04 09:46:47 <limepi> gee, thanks
Dec 04 09:46:47 * timelyx isn't rich
Dec 04 09:46:53 <timelyx> sorry
Dec 04 09:47:05 <timelyx> i don't have 100usd handy to buy enough games
Dec 04 09:47:06 <limepi> fortunately, I sell gold and silver bullion
Dec 04 09:47:41 * timelyx would think now would be a time to hold instead of buy or sell
Dec 04 09:47:49 <limepi> yeah
Dec 04 09:48:03 <limepi> the market always kind of calms down before the FOMC meeting
Dec 04 09:48:17 <limepi> but there's certainly going to be a rate cut
Dec 04 09:48:31 <timelyx> aww, you ruined my surprise
Dec 04 09:48:32 <limepi> a modest one will take gold back to its previous resistance level
Dec 04 09:48:56 <limepi> while a big surprise one will power it through lord knows what
Dec 04 09:49:05 <limepi> it closed at 835 a few weeks ago
Dec 04 09:49:35 <timelyx> ok. we know you're smarter than the rest of us
Dec 04 09:49:45 <timelyx> quit showing off ;-)
Dec 04 09:50:22 <GeneralAntilles> Haha
Dec 04 09:50:24 <limepi> hmm
Dec 04 09:50:41 <limepi> so you mean to say that you don't think I'm entirely full of shit
Dec 04 09:50:49 <timelyx> i mean i know my limits
Dec 04 09:51:01 <limepi> so that is highly complimentary
Dec 04 09:51:05 <timelyx> i don't know enough about the financial markets, i certainly don't know much about gold
Dec 04 09:51:29 <limepi> it's going to be like 1929
Dec 04 09:51:32 <limepi> TIMES 1000
Dec 04 09:51:53 <limepi> but seriously, a million enrons have blossomed
Dec 04 09:51:53 <timelyx> yeah, it's strictly complimentary
Dec 04 09:52:43 <timelyx> it's odd, i think you're the second or third person i've seen here who really seems to have some understanding of the financial markets
Dec 04 09:52:51 <timelyx> either it's now a popular topic stateside
Dec 04 09:52:57 <limepi> goldman sachs will make enron look like shoplifting from wal-mart
Dec 04 09:53:06 <timelyx> or the audience for the n800/n810 really is people who understand (have) money
Dec 04 09:53:08 <limepi> here, in #maemo?
Dec 04 09:53:15 <timelyx> i think so
Dec 04 09:53:22 <limepi> cool :)
Dec 04 09:53:24 <timelyx> i'm in a number of channels and my memory's terrible
Dec 04 09:53:30 <timelyx> so it's possible i'm merging them
Dec 04 09:53:31 <limepi> yeah. we're very early adopters
Dec 04 09:53:44 <kulve> timelyx: the use_system_prefs was already set to false. I'm now trying to enable the proxies but how can I see if they works (I can access the internet without the proxy too..)? I set invalid url for the proxy, but it doesn't to anything. I tried with type == 1 and setting the proxy and type == 2 and setting the autoconfig url
Dec 04 09:54:13 <timelyx> kulve: it should be 1 w/ proxyconf iirc
Dec 04 09:54:14 <limepi> I don't know how the hell to make it, but I like to be adept at using it
Dec 04 09:54:44 <limepi> (software, that is)
Dec 04 09:55:08 <timelyx> kulve: oh
Dec 04 09:55:11 <timelyx> um, hrm
Dec 04 09:55:25 <timelyx> kulve: is this in a vm?
Dec 04 09:55:28 <limepi> so this channel is usually a mishmash of devs and then mouth-breathing users like me
Dec 04 09:55:31 <timelyx> if so, the easiest thing is to break routing
Dec 04 09:55:40 <kulve> timelyx: vm? I'm testing it on a device
Dec 04 09:55:50 <timelyx> kulve: but not running itos?
Dec 04 09:55:53 <kulve> no
Dec 04 09:56:03 <timelyx> [no it's not running itos]
Dec 04 09:56:06 <timelyx> ok...
Dec 04 09:56:10 <timelyx> break dns resolution
Dec 04 09:56:25 <timelyx> use ssh to setup a forward on localhost
Dec 04 09:56:27 <limepi> ...where can I get kismet for chinook?
Dec 04 09:56:38 <timelyx> setup the proxy to be on the forward
Dec 04 09:56:43 <timelyx> and have no dns
Dec 04 09:56:50 <timelyx> that should work well enough
Dec 04 09:56:52 <kulve> timelyx: thx, I'll try something like that
Dec 04 09:57:06 <timelyx> kulve: sorry, i'm having a brain freeze
Dec 04 09:57:11 <timelyx> i know i have better approaches than that
Dec 04 09:57:24 <timelyx> i think proxyconf technically has an alert() functions somewhere
Dec 04 09:57:44 <timelyx> but you'd have to figure out where it goes (iirc it goes to *a* console)
Dec 04 09:57:56 <limepi> okay, there's kismet for os '06
Dec 04 09:58:01 <timelyx> you could also use a logging proxy server
Dec 04 09:58:06 <timelyx> and just view the access logs
Dec 04 09:58:09 <timelyx> that's probably what i'd do
Dec 04 09:58:29 <timelyx> i have a proxy server (apache) and i can grep the logs to decide whether it's being used
Dec 04 09:58:46 <timelyx> you could of course use nspr logging
Dec 04 09:58:59 <timelyx> NSPR_LOG_MODULES=all:5 NSPR_LOG_FILE=/tmp/this_will_be_big
Dec 04 09:59:06 <timelyx> export both...
Dec 04 09:59:10 <kulve> timelyx: do you know if the microb tries to go directly, if the proxy url is invalid, or should it just show some error dialog?
Dec 04 09:59:20 <timelyx> should give an error page
Dec 04 09:59:37 <timelyx> ask someone else here while i go to work?
Dec 04 09:59:42 * timelyx should do that
Dec 04 10:00:41 <timelyx> > As if the burden of divorce weren't bad enough, people with failed marriages can be blamed for global warming, according to a study by Michigan State University.
Dec 04 10:00:42 <timelyx> nice
Dec 04 10:01:00 <limepi> talk about crappy science
Dec 04 10:01:06 <limepi> "can be blamed for"
Dec 04 10:01:22 <timelyx> you can blame just about everyone for just about anything and everything :)
Dec 04 10:01:27 <limepi> I could blame global warming on polar bears if I wanted to
Dec 04 10:01:30 <GeneralAntilles> Amen to that.
Dec 04 10:01:33 <limepi> exactly.
Dec 04 10:01:39 <GeneralAntilles> I blame global warming on limepi.
Dec 04 10:02:03 <GeneralAntilles> All this talk about financial markets means he's an evil witchdoctor.
Dec 04 10:02:11 <limepi> uh oh
Dec 04 10:02:20 <limepi> you don't even want to know what else I talk about
Dec 04 10:03:07 <limepi> I want to find these other maemo economists
Dec 04 10:03:22 <timelyx> channel log is in the topic, good luck
Dec 04 10:03:33 <limepi> !
Dec 04 10:03:43 <GeneralAntilles> Haha
Dec 04 10:03:50 <GeneralAntilles> I wonder how big that log is.
Dec 04 10:03:55 <limepi> google has encased me forever
Dec 04 10:04:02 <doc|home> limepi: aye, it's going to get very messy (economy)
Dec 04 10:04:05 <timelyx> yeah, but you have nothing to regret
Dec 04 10:04:12 <doc|home> we're only about 10-20% of the way in :(
Dec 04 10:04:16 <timelyx> not quite sure i can say the same thing about myself
Dec 04 10:04:20 <doc|home> and the fed are making it worse
Dec 04 10:04:24 <doc|home> cuts = bad
Dec 04 10:04:29 <lardman> does the hailstorm, etc, require planar or packed YUV?
Dec 04 10:04:49 <timelyx> lardman; you're getting too technical
Dec 04 10:04:55 <timelyx> we were just talking about financial markets!
Dec 04 10:05:01 <limepi> doc|home, the funny thing is, I had dinner at a friend's house, where a fund manager from PIMCO was visiting
Dec 04 10:05:07 <timelyx> besides, wasn't that removed?
Dec 04 10:05:24 <limepi> he didn't seem too concerned about the future
Dec 04 10:05:24 <mgedmin> GeneralAntilles: fwiw that log is about half a million lines of text
Dec 04 10:05:28 <lardman> sorry, was appealing to everyone else ;)
Dec 04 10:05:36 <doc|home> limepi: drinking the Paulson kool-aid?
Dec 04 10:05:49 <mgedmin> 160 megs
Dec 04 10:05:55 <limepi> doc|home, are you familiar with bill gross?
Dec 04 10:06:01 <doc|home> nope, can't say I am
Dec 04 10:06:05 <wumpus> lardman: packed, I think, but I'm not entirely sure
Dec 04 10:06:12 <rothiel> Hi guys :)
Dec 04 10:06:16 <timelyx> mgedmin: heh, that's nothing, i had much bigger logs from undermac for much less time
Dec 04 10:06:18 <limepi> he is like the warren buffett of bonds
Dec 04 10:06:42 <lardman> wumpus: I'll have to try and find the spec pdf, somewhere on my computer...:)
Dec 04 10:06:51 * doc|home wikipedias!
Dec 04 10:06:53 <limepi> was a student of edward o. thorpe
Dec 04 10:07:01 <wumpus> lardman: yeah, or look at the kernel module source
Dec 04 10:07:09 <wumpus> I didn't even know there was a spec pdf of it
Dec 04 10:07:10 <limepi> and lived as a professional card counter for a while
Dec 04 10:07:17 <doc|home> limepi: mind if I ask who you sell for?
Dec 04 10:07:23 <doc|home> I'm looking for cheaper metal :)
Dec 04 10:07:32 <doc|home> I get boned by the spread :/
Dec 04 10:07:41 <lardman> wumpus: yeah, from Epson
Dec 04 10:07:43 <limepi> lol, what's the spread on a krug
Dec 04 10:07:52 <limepi> http://londoncoin.com
Dec 04 10:08:06 <wumpus> lardman: so epson does give out datasheets, how nice
Dec 04 10:08:32 <lardman> wumpus: well yes and no, I think they did, but someone had to email to ask for them
Dec 04 10:09:14 <doc|home> limepi: hmm, no rates?
Dec 04 10:09:37 <doc|home> limepi: I don't buy krugs. They get taxed here. Maple leafs and 1oz bars or silver
Dec 04 10:09:58 * timelyx shakes head
Dec 04 10:10:13 <limepi> er, what's the premium over spot for 1 oz rounds or a maple
Dec 04 10:10:30 * lardman is relieved, found the pile of spec sheets and tips from Serge
Dec 04 10:10:33 <limepi> in USD, please :)
Dec 04 10:10:41 <timelyx> not CAD? :)
Dec 04 10:10:52 <limepi> same difference :(
Dec 04 10:11:15 <limepi> the last time canada broke the dollar was during the civil war
Dec 04 10:11:26 <GeneralAntilles> Erg
Dec 04 10:11:51 <doc|home> limepi: they don't have rounds, just bars, a bar is  803.50m maple leaf 821.70
Dec 04 10:12:08 <limepi> okay, I know what a maple is
Dec 04 10:12:09 <doc|home> local place, so no delivery
Dec 04 10:12:16 <limepi> oh
Dec 04 10:12:17 <limepi> heh
Dec 04 10:12:27 <limepi> wait, what spot is that off of?
Dec 04 10:12:39 <doc|home> also, no paper trail in case the government decide to make it illegal for private holding again :)
Dec 04 10:12:57 <limepi> doc, what was spot!?!?????????!!#??312412
Dec 04 10:13:01 <doc|home> er, I'm not sure to be honest, you can ask them to get an update spot, they don't say
Dec 04 10:13:15 <limepi> uh, for the prices you just quoted me
Dec 04 10:13:25 <limepi> you do not know the value of the underlying asset?
Dec 04 10:13:42 <doc|home> gold fluctuates so fast these days they can't keep up
Dec 04 10:13:48 <timelyx> limepi: i thought it was 1976 or something
Dec 04 10:13:59 <doc|home> it's not a  dynamic site, so you can get updated prices when you go in
Dec 04 10:14:01 <limepi> doc|home, um... we have a little price ticker
Dec 04 10:14:07 <limepi> from kitco.com
Dec 04 10:14:09 <doc|home> far too advanced for them ;)
Dec 04 10:14:17 <doc|home> they ring up their office
Dec 04 10:14:38 <limepi> http://quotes.ino.com/chart/?s=FOREX_XAUUSDO
Dec 04 10:14:38 <doc|home> these will be prices from earlier today, will update them in the morning
Dec 04 10:14:48 <limepi> ^live spot
Dec 04 10:14:59 <doc|home> oh yeah, I know what spot prices are, I just don't know what spot price they based their prices on
Dec 04 10:15:10 <limepi> they might just use the london fixed one or whatever
Dec 04 10:15:12 <doc|home> i.e. what the spread is right at the moment
Dec 04 10:15:17 <timelyx> limepi:
Dec 04 10:15:17 <timelyx> The previous time the two currencies traded at par was in November 1976, just after René Lévesque's election victory in Quebec, which sent the Canadian dollar reeling.
Dec 04 10:15:20 <timelyx> http://www.tickerforum.org/cgi-ticker/akcs-www?post=9755
Dec 04 10:15:24 <limepi> like... where are you buying these?
Dec 04 10:15:30 <doc|home> limepi: vbce.info
Dec 04 10:16:07 <limepi> interesting.
Dec 04 10:16:17 <doc|home> oh, and that's on an xe.com conversion rate, however accurate that may be
Dec 04 10:16:31 <limepi> yeah they got a pretty big spread
Dec 04 10:16:35 <doc|home> wow, the two have really gotten close together
Dec 04 10:16:39 <doc|home> (usd and cad)
Dec 04 10:16:50 <limepi> 1 OZ SILVER BAR	 14.50	 16.50
Dec 04 10:16:52 <doc|home> thought it'd break 1.10 for a while
Dec 04 10:17:00 <doc|home> limepi: yeah, and on the selling I hurt :/
Dec 04 10:17:05 <limepi> we're like .70/spot
Dec 04 10:17:11 <limepi> either way
Dec 04 10:17:15 <doc|home> nice
Dec 04 10:17:24 <doc|home> but then shipping costs negate that for me :/
Dec 04 10:17:31 <limepi> yeah
Dec 04 10:17:42 <limepi> support your local coin store
Dec 04 10:19:46 <doc|home> ok, night all
Dec 04 10:22:27 <limepi> ha, of course... I'm voting for obama but I strongly approve of ron paul
Dec 04 10:23:40 <GeneralAntilles> Obama. No thanks.
Dec 04 10:23:42 <flatface> are you trying to start a flamewar, limepi?
Dec 04 10:23:42 <doc|home> obama? The one who thinks invading pakistan might be a good idea?
Dec 04 10:23:45 <GeneralAntilles> Way too much socialism there.
Dec 04 10:23:49 <doc|home> flatface: no, I pm'd him
Dec 04 10:24:03 <doc|home> s/invading/bombing
Dec 04 10:24:45 * doc|home gone before heads come off
Dec 04 10:25:26 <limepi> heh
Dec 04 10:25:41 <limepi> he doesn't actually think invading pakistan is a good idea
Dec 04 10:26:03 <limepi> but he thinks the idea of making people believe that the us might invade pakistan if they pissed the us off enough... that's a good idea
Dec 04 10:26:36 <GeneralAntilles> Anybody in favor of big government is a no-go for me.
Dec 04 10:27:19 <timelyx> i hope that includes republicans who grow the gov
Dec 04 10:27:21 <limepi> government and industry have congealed into one institution
Dec 04 10:27:27 <timelyx> while claiming to want to reduce it
Dec 04 10:27:35 <limepi> "big government" is just big business
Dec 04 10:27:59 <GeneralAntilles> Haha, I'm not that much of a moron, timelyx. ;)
Dec 04 10:28:04 <GeneralAntilles> Ron Paul is my man.
Dec 04 10:28:15 <limepi> ditto
Dec 04 10:28:18 <timelyx> hrm, 4 movie tickets for <30eur
Dec 04 10:28:22 <timelyx> that doesn't sound bad
Dec 04 10:28:26 <limepi> he will at worst be like a perot
Dec 04 10:28:28 <timelyx> (movie tickets are overpriced here)
Dec 04 10:28:37 <limepi> and at best he'll be the true heir to goldwater
Dec 04 10:28:56 <limepi> or, like... uh... milton friedman?
Dec 04 10:28:56 <timelyx> GeneralAntilles: sorry... it's an offhand complaint about republicans
Dec 04 10:29:07 <timelyx> they say one thing, and do the opposite
Dec 04 10:29:08 <GeneralAntilles> Democrats = Republicans
Dec 04 10:29:16 <GeneralAntilles> They're the same party.
Dec 04 10:29:30 <limepi> pigs feeding from the same trough
Dec 04 10:29:33 <timelyx> democrats at least don't say they want small government
Dec 04 10:29:39 <GeneralAntilles> One thinks you're stupid and the other things you're evil.
Dec 04 10:29:47 <GeneralAntilles> *k
Dec 04 10:29:52 <limepi> you could easily swap the two
Dec 04 10:30:15 <limepi> liberals think you're evil for driving an SUV
Dec 04 10:30:15 <dpb_> timelyx: where do you get the tickets that cheap?
Dec 04 10:30:17 <timelyx> my you guys don't like the us parties much :)
Dec 04 10:30:29 <timelyx> http://www.finnkino.fi/news/4/506/
Dec 04 10:30:42 <limepi> okay, I need to quit fighting the ambien
Dec 04 10:30:46 * GeneralAntilles needs a translation.
Dec 04 10:30:47 <dpb_> ah
Dec 04 10:30:49 <limepi> off to bed I go
Dec 04 10:31:00 <timelyx> GeneralAntilles: i hope it's in english
Dec 04 10:31:03 <timelyx> i can't read finnish
Dec 04 10:31:12 <GeneralAntilles> Unless my brain is broken.
Dec 04 10:31:26 <timelyx> http://www.finnkino.fi/news/4/506/?lang=eng
Dec 04 10:31:30 * GeneralAntilles clicks the Union Jack.
Dec 04 10:31:33 <timelyx> yeah
Dec 04 10:31:43 <timelyx> i guess they cookied me
Dec 04 10:31:49 <timelyx> too bad the cookie doesn't seem to last
Dec 04 10:32:27 <timelyx> i think normal tickets are 10-11eur
Dec 04 10:32:39 <timelyx> and they used to advertise 6 for 5 or something
Dec 04 10:32:44 <timelyx> so this is 4 for 3
Dec 04 10:32:49 <GeneralAntilles> Expensive.
Dec 04 10:33:03 <timelyx> imagine thinking in terms of usd?
Dec 04 10:33:23 <timelyx> 5 * 10 Euros = 73.69 U.S. dollars
Dec 04 10:33:34 * timelyx stills thinks about pricing in usd
Dec 04 10:33:58 <GeneralAntilles> I have the University theater to go to.
Dec 04 10:34:06 <dpb_> you can get a 9-ticket set for 69 euros all the time, 7.67 each.
Dec 04 10:34:07 * timelyx misses those
Dec 04 10:34:07 <GeneralAntilles> $1USD
Dec 04 10:34:33 <GeneralAntilles> 'course, it just comes out of my tuition.
Dec 04 10:34:37 <GeneralAntilles> But the state pays for that, anyway.
Dec 04 10:34:39 <timelyx> sillicon valley had a place where you could get tickets for something like 1.50 on tuesdays
Dec 04 10:34:42 <timelyx> and they had double features
Dec 04 10:34:49 <timelyx> so for something like $3 you got 4 movies
Dec 04 10:34:51 <timelyx> and a full day
Dec 04 10:35:05 <timelyx> of course, i ended up buying at least one lunch/dinner for 10-20$
Dec 04 10:35:10 <timelyx> so it averaged out...
Dec 04 10:35:22 <timelyx> the rest of the week it was 3.50 iirc
Dec 04 10:35:37 <dpb_> and Mon-Fri before 17.00 it's always 6.50 only..
Dec 04 10:36:03 <timelyx> http://www.insiderpages.com/b/3711452146
Dec 04 10:36:09 <GeneralAntilles> Fun stuff: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/12/04/wikipedia_secret_mailing/
Dec 04 10:40:19 <mariorz> anyonw use the 770 as a media center control of sorts?
Dec 04 10:40:39 <GeneralAntilles> Which media center?
Dec 04 10:40:51 <mariorz> good question
Dec 04 10:41:02 <mariorz> xbmx would rock
Dec 04 10:41:11 <mariorz> but anything thats available really
Dec 04 10:41:18 <mariorz> xbmc
Dec 04 10:41:46 <GeneralAntilles> Well, I can control my OS X box that I use for home theater/media stuff with a web interface and mmpc for music.
Dec 04 10:42:02 <GeneralAntilles> If it has an http interface, then you're set.
Dec 04 10:42:03 <mariorz> interesting
Dec 04 10:42:14 <mariorz> what web interface?
Dec 04 10:45:23 <GeneralAntilles> Depends on the media center, but in my case, http://www.iospirit.com/remotebuddy/
Dec 04 10:45:38 <GeneralAntilles> This might be useful for xbmc: http://tlrobinson.net/projects/xbmciphone/
Dec 04 10:45:45 <GeneralAntilles> Obviously, you'll need MicroB
Dec 04 10:45:58 <mariorz> nice! thanks
Dec 04 10:46:16 <GeneralAntilles> http://www.xboxmediacenter.com/wiki/index.php?title=The_Web_Interface
Dec 04 10:46:18 <mariorz> mmpc+mpd seems cool too
Dec 04 10:46:30 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, it works really well for music playback
Dec 04 10:46:37 <GeneralAntilles> Not nearly as clunky as http
Dec 04 10:47:30 <mariorz> does mpd work with airtunes or would that be asking too much?
Dec 04 10:47:56 <GeneralAntilles> I'm guessing that there's a way to make it work.
Dec 04 10:48:12 <GeneralAntilles> Honestly, I don't have any experience with the AirPort Express, so I dunno.
Dec 04 10:48:30 <mariorz> wow that would rock, ill google
Dec 04 10:48:34 <mariorz> thanks man
Dec 04 10:48:36 <GeneralAntilles> There's a number of apps out there that'll route audio to an airport express
Dec 04 10:48:48 <GeneralAntilles> The question is whether they would be able to easily grab it from a daemon.
Dec 04 10:48:55 <GeneralAntilles> You have darwinports installed?
Dec 04 10:49:00 <mariorz> yup
Dec 04 10:49:20 <mariorz> shit
Dec 04 10:49:32 <mariorz> now im wont be able to workn until i have all thi set up :P
Dec 04 10:50:01 <GeneralAntilles> http://www.rogueamoeba.com/airfoil/mac/#fn1
Dec 04 10:50:03 <GeneralAntilles> Maybe that.
Dec 04 10:50:54 <GeneralAntilles> Actually, that should work just fine: "System Audio Support - Airfoil will transmit all audio playing on the system"
Dec 04 10:51:11 <mariorz> cool
Dec 04 10:51:15 <GeneralAntilles> Although you'd have to turn it on and off.
Dec 04 10:51:25 <mariorz> turn what on and off?
Dec 04 10:51:30 <GeneralAntilles> Airfoil
Dec 04 10:51:51 <GeneralAntilles> Start it forwarding all system audio
Dec 04 10:51:58 <GeneralAntilles> Or you'll end up with it forwarded all the time. ;)
Dec 04 10:52:10 <mariorz> oh right
Dec 04 11:28:10 <mariorz> GeneralAntilles: hey remote buddy seems pretty cool alas the ajax remote doesnt seem to load ont he device wtf? works fine on localhost
Dec 04 11:28:39 <mariorz> you had any trouble?
Dec 04 11:31:30 <mariorz> it jsut times out, network conection is fine i can access the regular httpd
Dec 04 11:32:40 <GeneralAntilles> Firewall open on that port?
Dec 04 11:34:06 <lardman> still no n810 in the uk nokia shop :(
Dec 04 11:34:51 <dpb_> It's only the 4th..
Dec 04 11:35:19 <dpb_> they said it'll come by the 15th, still lots of time.
Dec 04 11:35:22 <lardman> dpb_: I'd hoped that date was a backstop
Dec 04 11:35:31 <lardman> 11 days left then
Dec 04 11:36:03 <mariorz> ahh could be that
Dec 04 11:36:03 <mariorz> GeneralAntilles: were would i go about opening the port?
Dec 04 11:36:03 <mariorz> nvm
Dec 04 11:36:09 <dpb_> yeah, well, it might come earlier, but I don't expect that..
Dec 04 11:37:14 <GeneralAntilles> Image Viewer seem a lot faster in OS2008?
Dec 04 11:37:19 <mariorz> GeneralAntilles: awesome :)
Dec 04 11:37:42 <lardman> GeneralAntilles: well it was pretty slow before so that's a good thing
Dec 04 11:37:46 <VRe> Does somebody else have problems with os2008beta and browser on n800? On mine it crashes constantly. Most often when starting and opening the page from bookmarks or from rss-reader
Dec 04 11:38:03 <GeneralAntilles> Did you restore from backup?
Dec 04 11:38:17 <VRe> yes
Dec 04 11:38:36 <GeneralAntilles> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2398
Dec 04 11:38:39 <GeneralAntilles> There's a fix in there.
Dec 04 11:38:54 <GeneralAntilles> Well, it should fix it.
Dec 04 11:39:54 <VRe> shadows of opera
Dec 04 11:41:33 <GeneralAntilles> Yes, I think OS2008 Image Viewer is a LOT better. Which is great, because the NITs are really awesome photo albums.
Dec 04 11:43:35 <tigert> i used it to crop and scale my flickr photos for tablet  size
Dec 04 11:43:44 <kulve> I liked the image viewer upgrades too..
Dec 04 11:43:55 <tigert> its good enough for me to keep using it, nice
Dec 04 11:44:35 <tigert> so  i have a bunch of my photos in 800x480 size for slideshow if i need to show them to someone
Dec 04 11:49:12 <kulve> on a summer trip, we'll check out the images taken during the day by swapping the sd card from the camera to the n800. The display is quite much nicer than in our ixus..
Dec 04 11:51:17 <alterego> Grrr .. My server is acting up :(
Dec 04 11:51:59 <GeneralAntilles> Beat it with a hammer, alterego.
Dec 04 11:52:11 <alterego> All I can do is ping and portscan it :/
Dec 04 11:52:51 <alterego> ping times are respectable and the open ports are expected. But trying to ssh and it just hangs :/
Dec 04 11:53:03 <alterego> Oh, it's working now ^_^
Dec 04 11:53:55 <rip_> is there a reason by default, that Busybox in Maemo won't let you ping anything unless your root?
Dec 04 11:55:07 <Veggen> Hm. For ping to work, it needs to be suid root.
Dec 04 11:55:17 <alterego> It's a symlink ..
Dec 04 11:55:18 <Veggen> And you don't want to suid root your busybox binary.
Dec 04 11:55:24 <alterego> :)
Dec 04 11:55:50 <rip_> I just find it strange that you need to be root to ping :p
Dec 04 11:55:50 <alterego> Seems kind of pointless having a busybox implementation of ping then. Do people actually suid their busybox?
Dec 04 11:55:52 <rip_> thats all
Dec 04 11:56:41 <Veggen> alterego: you can always sudo ping ?
Dec 04 11:56:52 <alterego> Sure
Dec 04 11:57:11 <alterego> It's still not exactly pretty :)
Dec 04 11:57:21 <alterego> Point taken though,
Dec 04 11:57:29 <rip_> sudo ping 10.0.0.1 ? and that works ?
Dec 04 11:57:32 <keesj> Hi
Dec 04 11:57:33 * alterego adds ping nopass to his sudoers.
Dec 04 11:58:06 <wumpus> rip_: well, ping uses raw ip sockets, which usually requires root permissions
Dec 04 11:58:07 <alterego> rip_, only if it's in your /etc/sudoers
Dec 04 11:58:16 <rip_> ahh ok fair enough cheers
Dec 04 11:58:31 <rip_> I've setup a root account, just thought it was kinda strange is all
Dec 04 11:58:54 <rip_> all my other Linux boxes allow regular users to ping, but thats for desktop I guess
Dec 04 11:59:00 <keesj> did anyboy try to mail $user@garage.maemo.org lately from outside?
Dec 04 11:59:02 <rip_> just different from what im used to ;)
Dec 04 11:59:29 <alterego> rip_, add this line to /etc/sudoers: user ALL = NOPASSWD: /bin/ping
Dec 04 11:59:37 <alterego> That'll allow you to do: sudo ping
Dec 04 12:00:20 <rip_> cheers
Dec 04 12:00:22 <wumpus> then just to alias ping='/usr/bin/sudo /sbin/ping'
Dec 04 12:00:28 <wumpus> (or whatever the paths are :)
Dec 04 12:00:30 <keesj> rip_: did you do the olsrd?
Dec 04 12:00:45 <alterego> :)
Dec 04 12:05:40 <rip_> yeah
Dec 04 12:05:47 <rip_> I posted some stuff to MUD
Dec 04 12:06:12 <rip_> its just a generic build, the config file by default needs to be changed
Dec 04 12:06:30 <rip_> but works fine on my N800 with OS2008 :)
Dec 04 12:08:32 <rip_> does anyone know if MUD is still an active project ? if thats what you were refering to Keesj
Dec 04 12:14:03 <keesj> thanks!
Dec 04 12:14:12 <alterego> Urgh .. Werk, werk werk ..
Dec 04 12:36:41 <rip_> cool didn't realise they added to the MUD svn :p cool
Dec 04 12:36:47 * rip_ has contributed
Dec 04 12:36:48 <rip_> :P
Dec 04 12:38:56 <kaltsi> I don't know the correct terminology here but is there a tool that would print out an 'object hierarchy' or something like that of the task navigator application menu at runtime?
Dec 04 12:40:29 <rip_> so programs that are running ?
Dec 04 12:40:58 <kaltsi> no.. that 'runtime' was a bad choise of words :)
Dec 04 12:41:30 <kaltsi> I'd just like to see how the application menu is constructed
Dec 04 12:41:54 <rip_> you can move things around and into different menus
Dec 04 12:42:43 <rip_> if thats kinda what you mean, so you can see what is where, but there is no config file that I know of
Dec 04 12:43:09 <rip_> its in Control panel
Dec 04 12:43:19 <rip_> and then go down to "Panels"
Dec 04 12:43:44 <rip_> then on applications you can click on "organise"
Dec 04 12:44:55 <kaltsi> rip_: yes thanks that's too high-level.. I'm looking for something similar to 'xwininfo' or such :)
Dec 04 12:45:14 <rip_> ahh ok sorry, I have no idea :p
Dec 04 12:50:46 <halley> kaltsi, get xwininfo to work on your tablet, then.
Dec 04 12:50:57 <halley> kaltsi, or, read the source.
Dec 04 12:51:08 <halley> It's likely a spaghetti C abomination.
Dec 04 12:51:20 <kaltsi> halley: I'm reading it
Dec 04 12:51:38 <kaltsi> and xwininfo is not what I'm looking for.. just something similar..
Dec 04 12:51:47 <kaltsi> gobject dumper or something like that
Dec 04 12:51:58 <kaltsi> but putting printf's all over the code is my next step :)
Dec 04 12:54:41 <kaltsi> (btw xwininfo is part of the SDK tools so getting it would not be a problem)
Dec 04 13:02:40 <Segnale007> hi guys
Dec 04 13:03:11 <Segnale007> I have tired to set my n800 network static
Dec 04 13:03:13 <Segnale007> but
Dec 04 13:03:28 <Segnale007> I get dhcp only
Dec 04 13:03:37 <Segnale007> I have tired to do this  http://pastebin.com/m7a802eb8
Dec 04 13:03:56 <GeneralAntilles> Just do it in the GUI?
Dec 04 13:03:58 <Segnale007> I have tired also with wlan0 and not eth0
Dec 04 13:04:03 <Segnale007> no
Dec 04 13:04:15 <Segnale007> in /etc/network/interfaces
Dec 04 13:04:24 <Segnale007> maybe wrong ?
Dec 04 13:04:27 <GeneralAntilles> Right, have you tried in the GUI?
Dec 04 13:04:33 <Segnale007> no
Dec 04 13:04:35 <Segnale007> I try
Dec 04 13:04:38 <GeneralAntilles> Connection Manager
Dec 04 13:04:42 <GeneralAntilles> edit the connections
Dec 04 13:04:43 <Segnale007> ok ty
Dec 04 13:04:47 <Segnale007> :)
Dec 04 13:04:49 <GeneralAntilles> turn off DHCP and enter the IP.
Dec 04 13:05:03 <rip_> you need to use the advanced tab to bring up static IP and that
Dec 04 13:05:04 <Segnale007> kk
Dec 04 13:06:25 <alterego> GPRS is slooow. It's gonna be nice when I get a new phone tomorrow.
Dec 04 13:08:38 <Segnale007> uhm
Dec 04 13:08:49 <GeneralAntilles> Anybody able to speak to whether DUN is more of a bottleneck than BT?
Dec 04 13:08:59 <Segnale007> I don't founf nothing for turn off dhcp there
Dec 04 13:09:08 <Segnale007> what is advanced tab ?
Dec 04 13:09:20 <Segnale007> *found
Dec 04 13:10:50 <Segnale007> what wrong ?
Dec 04 13:11:12 <GeneralAntilles> Connection Manager: Application Menu -> Tools -> Connectivity Settings -> Connections, select your connection -> Edit -> Next -> Next -> Next -> Advanced -> IP Addresses, Uncheck auto-retrieve IP address.
Dec 04 13:13:53 <Segnale007> oh
Dec 04 13:14:02 <rip_> A few clicks I guess ;)
Dec 04 13:14:04 <Segnale007> I'm asshole
Dec 04 13:14:13 <rip_> lol
Dec 04 13:14:14 <Segnale007> I'm sorry and ty
Dec 04 13:14:39 <Segnale007> I need to check more better before to ask next time
Dec 04 13:14:45 <Segnale007> sorry about
Dec 04 13:14:47 <rip_> No need to be sorry ;) thats what IRC is for
Dec 04 13:14:54 <Segnale007> ty :)
Dec 04 13:15:46 <Segnale007> but
Dec 04 13:16:10 <Segnale007> still ty so much ...
Dec 04 13:16:32 <Segnale007> I gotta go to get launch
Dec 04 13:16:34 <Segnale007> see ya
Dec 04 13:17:24 <rip_> catcha
Dec 04 13:18:31 <GeneralAntilles> Russian mission control?
Dec 04 13:23:54 <pupnik_> Downcount to offblast!
Dec 04 13:28:45 <pupnik_> http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/2006-09-18-blind-GPS_x.htm?POE=TECISVA  cool.  GPS pdas for the blind.
Dec 04 13:28:53 * pupnik_ ponders grant possibilities
Dec 04 13:29:15 <GeneralAntilles> Suckling from the government teat? :P
Dec 04 13:30:14 <pupnik_> Yes, it's the #1 customer in Germany.
Dec 04 13:32:21 <pupnik_> In fact, if you're not scheming to get money back from the government, or spending over half your time scheming some way of using the innumerable regulations here to your advantage, you're doing it wroang.
Dec 04 13:45:36 <pupnik_> http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ9mNbpabmA  How a DPAD (directional pad) should work - easy movement to all 8 cardinal directions, low resistance.
Dec 04 13:56:32 <Tak> the way ruby's string#split works with subexpressions is making my head explode
Dec 04 13:56:42 <alterego> ;)
Dec 04 13:56:50 <alterego> In a good way right? :D
Dec 04 13:59:12 <Tak> not really
Dec 04 14:00:09 <Tak> it's completely unuseful (IMO) to insert the subexpression matches into the result
Dec 04 14:03:07 <alterego> Well, I'm sure it's like that for a reason.
Dec 04 14:03:16 <alterego> Unless it's being deprecated of course ;)
Dec 04 14:04:30 <sp3000> python's returns groups as well
Dec 04 14:04:56 <GeneralAntilles> pupnik_, there are only 4 cardinal points. ;)
Dec 04 14:05:05 <alterego> Heh
Dec 04 14:05:05 <sp3000> the idea surely being that you can split something to things and delimiters and be able to reconstruct it
Dec 04 14:05:16 <Tak> the other four directions are orioles
Dec 04 14:05:16 <alterego> I thought there were 6 cardinal points.
Dec 04 14:05:27 <alterego> Oh, 2D :P
Dec 04 14:05:43 <sp3000> 1D ftw
Dec 04 14:06:05 <Tak> there are 2D cardinal points
Dec 04 14:06:44 <sp3000> hmm, they've invented a C64 joystick
Dec 04 14:07:05 <Tak> sp3000: then wouldn't it be more useful to return a list of [token,delimiter] pairs?
Dec 04 14:08:24 <sp3000> [token,group1,...groupn] rather
Dec 04 14:08:41 <sp3000> maybe
Dec 04 14:09:39 <Tak> ah, [token, [delimiter0..n]] then - even better
Dec 04 14:11:56 <sp3000> item[0] and item[1] vs item[0] item[1:]? naah
Dec 04 14:12:33 <sp3000> but the sucky thing is you end up with [token],[token],... in the simple case
Dec 04 14:13:20 <sp3000> unless you make an exception for that
Dec 04 14:14:47 * Tak write my own split - with hookers and blackjack!
Dec 04 14:14:58 <Tak> I'm pretty sure the no-subexpression form is already a special case
Dec 04 14:15:53 <sp3000> not in the format of the output in that sense
Dec 04 14:16:29 <sp3000> (in the sense that you can explain it without 'or')
Dec 04 14:20:38 <bstock> hey, i'm running 2007HE on a 770, every time i try to change the language & region from English (UK) to English (US) it says 'device storage memory full. remove data to free memory' but my memory is fine
Dec 04 14:21:00 <bstock> is there a file i can edit from command line to change this setting or something?
Dec 04 14:21:20 <sp3000> how much free space do you have ooi?
Dec 04 14:21:46 <lopz> hola
Dec 04 14:21:47 <bstock> internal memory has 8.5 MB used, 30.5MB available
Dec 04 14:22:11 <bstock> i tried to take out my memory card to see if that helped but made no difference (though that card had lots of free space also)
Dec 04 14:23:53 <sp3000> this product page claims 128M flash which sounds about right; 8 and 30 sounds a bit odd even with the jffs compression
Dec 04 14:24:57 <bstock> i'm on a 770, i think it has 64mb memory
Dec 04 14:25:05 <bstock> there's also 24.8mb of installed applications
Dec 04 14:25:29 <sp3000> ram
Dec 04 14:25:33 <bstock> but overall, it says 30.5mb available, but throwing that stupid error when trying to change language settings
Dec 04 14:25:40 <sp3000> flash is another thing
Dec 04 14:26:20 <sp3000> someone called Kaervak had your issue on 2007-11-18
Dec 04 14:26:36 <sp3000> I suppose it may be an 2007he issue and a bogus message, too
Dec 04 14:27:28 <bstock> hmm i see that on the logs, no one had any idea though
Dec 04 14:27:48 <bstock> must be a 2007he bug
Dec 04 14:28:22 <GeneralAntilles> Delete the bundled manuals on the internal flash and maybe try again?
Dec 04 14:28:44 <bstock> did that already
Dec 04 14:29:06 <bstock> also tried with/without virtual memory
Dec 04 14:29:18 <GeneralAntilles> OK, learn British? :P
Dec 04 14:31:23 <alterego> What's British? :P
Dec 04 14:31:29 <rip_> Engrish?
Dec 04 14:31:32 <alterego> Wait .. I'm British ..
Dec 04 14:31:51 <fysa> anyone get a bluetooth mouse working with os2008?
Dec 04 14:32:12 <alterego> A mouse?
Dec 04 14:32:16 <alterego> You're kidding right?
Dec 04 14:32:23 <bstock> lol, no mostly it's fine, just the dates are backwards from what i'm used to
Dec 04 14:32:23 <fysa> why would I ask if I was kidding?
Dec 04 14:32:31 <rip_> the OS2008 doesn't support mice input
Dec 04 14:32:37 <fysa> XFCE does.
Dec 04 14:32:47 <alterego> Ah
Dec 04 14:33:01 <alterego> XFCE ..
Dec 04 14:33:07 <fysa> mouse would be very helpful to use next to a bluetooth keyboard.
Dec 04 14:33:09 <glass_> rip_: os2008 different in that regard to previous, so that you can't use 'mouse' with synergy and others?
Dec 04 14:33:24 <alterego> Sure, I can understand the appeal.
Dec 04 14:33:40 <fysa> don't care abouit it for the Hildon interface that much, but when I take this on the road I'd like to try to have a 'laptop mode'
Dec 04 14:33:50 <fysa> so I can do some reasonable coding.
Dec 04 14:34:09 <alterego> Yeah, I get it, if you're using a normal desktop WM you probably need a mouse.
Dec 04 14:34:13 <fysa> anyway, I'll keep tracking
Dec 04 14:34:19 <alterego> OR at least are more used to it that way.
Dec 04 14:34:30 <rip_> ahh ok fair enough,
Dec 04 14:36:15 <Rich_dy> Hi.  When I attempt to install ukmp, I get dependency errors, saying that I'm missing libsdl-ttf2.0-0 and libreadline4.0.   Where can I find these?
Dec 04 14:36:24 <Rich_dy> (this is bora)
Dec 04 14:36:58 <Tak> libsdl-ttf should be in the extras repo
Dec 04 14:37:10 <Rich_dy> Tak, I don't see it in bora-extras.
Dec 04 14:37:40 <Rich_dy> and I am in red pill mode
Dec 04 14:38:55 <Tak> meh, what's the apt command to show what repo a package is in?
Dec 04 14:39:12 <fysa> I think apt-cache showpkg does
Dec 04 14:39:38 <Tak> there it is, thank you
Dec 04 14:39:54 <Tak> repository.maemo.org bora free
Dec 04 14:41:13 <Rich_dy> Package: libsdl-ttf2.0-0
Dec 04 14:42:20 <Rich_dy> tak, how can i make sure i'm pointing at the correct repo?
Dec 04 14:42:34 <Tak> check the repo list in the application manager?
Dec 04 14:43:03 <Tak> if you have the correct repo listed, it should install the dep automatically, even in blue pill mode
Dec 04 14:46:29 <Rich_dy> okay.  i see bora extras and maemo hackers
Dec 04 14:46:32 <Rich_dy> hrmm
Dec 04 14:48:28 <Rich_dy> ...adding maemo
Dec 04 14:49:02 <Rich_dy> there it is!
Dec 04 14:49:07 <Rich_dy> weird that I wouldn't have that
Dec 04 14:49:07 <Tak> huzzah!
Dec 04 14:49:13 * Tak chills the champagne
Dec 04 14:50:03 <Rich_dy> the media player was driving me nuts.  takes forever to refresh the list
Dec 04 14:50:37 * Rich_dy is in denial his n800 is not an iPhone
Dec 04 14:52:29 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, it's so much awesome. ;)
Dec 04 15:10:08 <rip_> has anyone tried fowarding X with ssh in Maemo?
Dec 04 15:10:17 <rip_> I can't seem to get it to work, and wonder if anyone knows why
Dec 04 15:11:12 <pupnik_> "in maemo"?
Dec 04 15:11:36 <rip_> yeah OS2007
Dec 04 15:11:49 <rip_> I haven't tried it in OS2008 yet but I am assuming its the same
Dec 04 15:12:22 <rip_> ok doesn't work in OS2008 either ;)
Dec 04 15:12:24 <pupnik_> what ssh do you have
Dec 04 15:12:35 <rip_> openssh-server
Dec 04 15:12:41 <pupnik_> hm
Dec 04 15:13:07 <rip_> might have something to do with busybox maybe
Dec 04 15:13:13 <rip_> I could be grasping at straws :p
Dec 04 15:13:31 <rip_> just would be nice to foward X from the nokia to my Linux box from time to time
Dec 04 15:15:59 <rip_> I can foward from my Linux box to the Nokia
Dec 04 15:16:03 <rip_> but not the other way around
Dec 04 15:16:24 <rip_> using ssh -X user@host
Dec 04 15:16:42 <pupnik> hm
Dec 04 15:17:16 <pupnik> some xhost problem?
Dec 04 15:17:25 <pupnik> xauth ?
Dec 04 15:19:26 <rip_> well, I don't really know alot about xauth or xhost
Dec 04 15:19:40 <rip_> from Linux to Linux its always worked for me ;)
Dec 04 15:22:27 <lopz> bye
Dec 04 15:31:39 <timeless> hello world
Dec 04 15:32:01 <timeless> in case people are looking for a lesson in bugzilla, bug 339 comment 12 has one
Dec 04 15:34:07 <mgedmin> that's not a url...
Dec 04 15:47:34 <dpb_> timeless: wont work if you click comment 13, as there is no 13.. :)
Dec 04 15:47:46 <timeless> it will work eventually
Dec 04 15:48:00 <timeless> a coworker will probably fix the code to use something closer to my suggestion
Dec 04 15:48:14 <timeless> unfortunately at that point, the link i gave won't match my comment, but gah
Dec 04 15:48:46 <timeless> and anyone foolish enough to comment saying "i can't click on comment 13" would look really funny :)
Dec 04 15:49:19 <dpb_> :P
Dec 04 15:54:26 <sp3000> mgedmin: it is if your irc client doesn't suck :)
Dec 04 15:54:50 <sp3000> (but yes, bots that urlify and summarize are reasonably useful)
Dec 04 15:55:38 * mgedmin is tempted to quote RFC 1378 at sp3000, but that would be a lowly dictionary flame, so /me won't
Dec 04 15:56:06 <sp3000> ...The PPP AppleTalk Control Protocol (ATCP)?
Dec 04 15:56:15 <sp3000> that would be weird
Dec 04 15:56:19 <timeless> heh
Dec 04 15:56:23 <zoran> maybe some bible quotes?
Dec 04 15:56:44 <sp3000> but cz doesn't linkify the comment n part ;(
Dec 04 15:56:55 <sp3000> it totally should
Dec 04 15:58:00 <sp3000> odd, I don't see a bug for that on bmo
Dec 04 16:02:45 * mgedmin should really use copy & paste instead of trying to type 4-digit numbers... RFC 1738 is the one that defines URLs
Dec 04 16:04:59 * sp3000 files
Dec 04 16:05:37 <GeneralAntilles> AppleTalk is funny.
Dec 04 16:05:51 <GeneralAntilles> It's the only network protocol that you can tell which computers are using it at the router.
Dec 04 16:09:04 <lophyte> hey all, libmediaplayer0 got removed somehow... is there a way to re-install it?
Dec 04 16:09:07 <lophyte> it doesn't look like its in any repos
Dec 04 16:29:19 <Screaming> timelyx: Just to put you out of your misery as of 8am-ish Screaming,Not-ScreamingN80 and ScreamingN800(who first saw that the N810 image might work on the N800) are one and the same.
Dec 04 16:30:12 <deejoe> huh?
Dec 04 16:42:49 <ivanz> Where can I find unison for N800 ?
Dec 04 16:43:56 <lophyte> where can I find libmediaplayer0? it got removed and I can't re-install it...
Dec 04 16:44:00 <ivanz> or rsync?
Dec 04 16:46:02 <timeless> lophyte: gronmayer in the topic.
Dec 04 16:46:54 <ivanz> What;s the root password for ITOS2008 ?
Dec 04 16:47:01 <ivanz> no longer "rootme" ?
Dec 04 16:47:08 <timeless> it's still rootme
Dec 04 16:47:13 <timeless> but you need to have r&d mode enabled
Dec 04 16:47:17 <timeless> or do things some other way
Dec 04 16:47:30 <ivanz> ah correct forgot to enable red pill mode
Dec 04 16:47:46 <timeless> red pill has no relation
Dec 04 16:47:54 <timeless> you could use http://timeless.justdave.net/capture-root-0.1.deb
Dec 04 16:48:04 <timeless> instead of r&d mode if you want to
Dec 04 16:48:18 <Screaming> pupnik: re X forwarding..maybe something to do with the no-tcp switch when Xomap starts? You wanna nother reboot cycle?
Dec 04 16:48:29 <timeless> libmediaplayer0 is a nokia thing
Dec 04 16:48:35 <timeless> if you manage to delete it, you're mostly out of luck
Dec 04 16:48:43 <timeless> it's not provided in a repository
Dec 04 16:48:55 <timeless> you can imagify your device, reflash, and play some merging games
Dec 04 16:49:22 <timeless> if you're feeling adventurous and have a friend you can try to generate an artificial package
Dec 04 16:49:58 <timeless> http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/n800/microb-3.2007
Dec 04 16:50:05 <timeless> has note on how to make packages from a device...
Dec 04 16:50:39 <timeless> (designed for a different purpose, but, a script's a script)
Dec 04 16:51:54 <Screaming> timeless:  You know that the irclog of this channel kills IT2008 browser in Fit view  to width?
Dec 04 16:52:09 <timeless> i so don't care about fit width to view
Dec 04 16:52:22 <timeless> people using it do so at their own discomfort
Dec 04 16:52:22 <hugolp> Since yesterday I cant play flash videos with OS2008, anyone having the same problem?
Dec 04 16:52:38 <timeless> hugolp: flash is probably disabled
Dec 04 16:53:07 * sp3000 would kinda like an "act normal" mode
Dec 04 16:53:18 <sp3000> ...maybe
Dec 04 16:53:20 <timeless> ?
Dec 04 16:53:22 <ivanz> timeless: I've just enabled red pill mode but I still can;t ssh with "rootme"
Dec 04 16:53:22 <hugolp> timeless:  its marked as its able
Dec 04 16:53:29 <Screaming> Can't blame you. Its useful crap though.
Dec 04 16:53:36 <lophyte> timeless, its not in any of those repos
Dec 04 16:53:42 <GeneralAntilles> [11:47am] <timeless> red pill has no relation
Dec 04 16:53:46 <timeless> lophyte: "it"?
Dec 04 16:53:49 <sp3000> hmm
Dec 04 16:53:52 <lophyte> libmediaplayer0
Dec 04 16:54:13 <timeless> ivanz: i said that, and gave you a url for capture-root
Dec 04 16:54:20 <timeless> lophyte: i explained that
Dec 04 16:54:25 <timeless> is everyone ignoring me?
Dec 04 16:54:27 <GeneralAntilles> Hah, I don't thing they're paying any attention to what you're saying, timeless. ;)
Dec 04 16:54:33 <lophyte> oh I didn't see that
Dec 04 16:54:38 <lophyte> I was looking through gronmayer
Dec 04 16:54:42 <lophyte> sorry
Dec 04 16:55:27 <lophyte> I wasn't reading and thought you were talking to someone else
Dec 04 16:55:50 <timeless> sorry, the url was for ivanz probably
Dec 04 16:55:57 <timeless> rather gronmayer
Dec 04 16:56:00 <timeless> blah, whatever
Dec 04 16:56:09 <sp3000> timeless: "like fx3"
Dec 04 16:56:10 <lophyte> ah
Dec 04 16:56:18 <timeless> sp3000: ??
Dec 04 16:56:27 <timeless> sp3000: is that not normal?
Dec 04 16:56:29 <timeless> (default)
Dec 04 16:56:33 <sp3000> microb w/o fitwidth likes to display pages wider than the screen when zooming
Dec 04 16:56:41 <lophyte> s'pose I have to reflash my n800
Dec 04 16:57:07 <sp3000> when normal wrapping would do
Dec 04 16:57:19 <timeless> oh
Dec 04 16:57:26 <timeless> i think there's a pref for that
Dec 04 16:57:33 <sp3000> that has its drawbacks, but I'm fairly sure I prefer it to pure paper zoom
Dec 04 16:58:05 <sp3000> (and to fitwidth, but I usually end up with fitwidth, feel my pain)
Dec 04 16:58:34 <sp3000> yes fitwidth is kinda hardcore for 800px, imo
Dec 04 16:59:05 <sp3000> my desktop browser windows are usually about 800px wide and they do fine :)
Dec 04 16:59:25 <timeless> sp3000: about:config?sprefname=zoom
Dec 04 16:59:26 <Screaming> sp3000 I feel, it, I feel it. Hence the nick
Dec 04 17:00:02 <timeless> i think you want to twiddle the true.zoom pref
Dec 04 17:00:25 <timeless> sp3000: documenting this somewhere useful would be good
Dec 04 17:00:58 * sp3000 is documenting it at http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog :|
Dec 04 17:01:07 * timeless too
Dec 04 17:01:27 <timeless> i suppose you could spell out the full pref name :)
Dec 04 17:01:32 <timeless> but only do that after you test :)
Dec 04 17:01:33 <sp3000> but, yeah, as much as I like to avoid organizing things too much, that may be pushing it ;)
Dec 04 17:02:06 <timeless> remind me tomorrow morning to yell at whomever is holding back my documentation release
Dec 04 17:02:08 * timeless grumbles
Dec 04 17:02:11 <timeless> ok
Dec 04 17:02:17 <timeless> could someone please explain the point of autoconf?
Dec 04 17:02:22 <timeless> rsync requires autoconf
Dec 04 17:02:25 <timeless> autoconf requires m4
Dec 04 17:02:33 <timeless> i got those requirements and ran configure
Dec 04 17:02:36 <timeless> that passed
Dec 04 17:02:38 <ivanz> ok the .deb fails to install
Dec 04 17:02:43 <timeless> then i built, and it failed because
Dec 04 17:02:44 <ivanz> with the application manager
Dec 04 17:02:51 <timeless> ivanz: right, you need to read the description
Dec 04 17:03:00 <ivanz> what description ?
Dec 04 17:03:01 <timeless> or the log message (tools>log)
Dec 04 17:03:13 <timeless> when you install a deb it has a details button w/ a description tab
Dec 04 17:03:20 <timeless> you really shouldn't install debs w/o reading about them
Dec 04 17:03:25 <ivanz> right it says that /home/user/.ssh must exist in order for it to work
Dec 04 17:03:32 <ivanz> and it does
Dec 04 17:03:51 <timeless> hrm it says that? it should say there should be an authorized_keys in that directory :o
Dec 04 17:03:58 <sp3000> it could create the key if it's missing, right?
Dec 04 17:03:58 * timeless goes looking for the right box
Dec 04 17:04:07 <ivanz> it says something inconsistent
Dec 04 17:04:13 <timeless> yeah, but czr argued against that
Dec 04 17:04:14 <sp3000> there should be a id_*.pub I think
Dec 04 17:04:16 <timeless> i wanted that behavior
Dec 04 17:04:27 <ivanz> "at least one of /home/user.ssh/ or /home/user.ssh/ must exist"
Dec 04 17:04:36 <ivanz> *user/.ssh
Dec 04 17:04:47 <timeless> he said "beware of exploits that enable people to retrieve ~/.ssh/identity
Dec 04 17:05:05 <timeless> ivanz: ok, sorry, read the description while i fix the package :)
Dec 04 17:05:27 <ivanz> so I have to put my public key in order to login ?
Dec 04 17:05:37 <ivanz> is that how this works?
Dec 04 17:05:42 <timeless> yep
Dec 04 17:05:53 <timeless> it's "simple" but it works relatively well
Dec 04 17:06:04 <ivanz> rsa or dsa?
Dec 04 17:06:09 <ivanz> or does it not matter
Dec 04 17:06:09 <timeless> it doesn't care
Dec 04 17:06:11 <ivanz> ok
Dec 04 17:06:26 <timeless> it's just copying the file from ~/.ssh to ~root/.ssh/
Dec 04 17:06:32 <sp3000> hmm
Dec 04 17:06:39 <timeless> which is something you can't do w/o root
Dec 04 17:06:52 <timeless> i could let you have the file in ~/MyDocs instead of just ~/.ssh/
Dec 04 17:06:56 <timeless> would that help?
Dec 04 17:07:06 <timeless> if i did that, you could have the file on your desktop
Dec 04 17:07:12 <ivanz> no
Dec 04 17:07:26 <ivanz> it;s consistent to keep your keys in .ssh
Dec 04 17:07:39 * timeless goes back to fixing postinst
Dec 04 17:08:07 <ivanz> but then again there is this issue with getting the key on the device
Dec 04 17:08:18 <timeless> usb, bt send, https
Dec 04 17:08:19 <timeless> http
Dec 04 17:08:25 <timeless> i've used bt send
Dec 04 17:08:34 <timeless> i've also used ssh-keygen -t rsa on the device
Dec 04 17:08:37 <ivanz> i used http :)
Dec 04 17:08:43 <timeless> kinda depends on your needs/goals/trusts
Dec 04 17:09:27 <timeless> ok, newer package uploaded
Dec 04 17:09:51 <timeless> except, it's buggy :(
Dec 04 17:10:07 <sp3000> oh, crap, I think I'm loading about:config at max zoom fitwidth
Dec 04 17:10:10 * sp3000 kills
Dec 04 17:10:22 <pupnik> heh
Dec 04 17:10:40 <pupnik> there has to be a good ffmpeg package for .deb out there that's not patent-crippled
Dec 04 17:10:50 <timeless> sp3000: you want to use sprefname urls where possible, i really should consider making the setpref page force an sprefname
Dec 04 17:11:08 <timeless>  echo and contain an authorized_keys or authorized_keys2 file 1>&2
Dec 04 17:11:17 <timeless> that line was added to postinst
Dec 04 17:11:24 <timeless> ivanz: thanks for being a tester :)
Dec 04 17:11:33 <ivanz> np
Dec 04 17:14:42 <lophyte> hrm..
Dec 04 17:14:51 <lophyte> could I pull the libs out manually from rootfs.jffs2?
Dec 04 17:15:10 <timeless> if you can read jffs2, yeah
Dec 04 17:15:20 <timeless> the script in my url would probably be vaguely helpful, maybe :)
Dec 04 17:15:31 <lophyte> I'll take a look
Dec 04 17:15:40 <lophyte> I almost have it, except I'm getting "no space left on device" problems
Dec 04 17:15:44 <timeless> since you really want to resurrect and reinstall the package instead of just having the file
Dec 04 17:16:09 <lophyte> yeah, you're right
Dec 04 17:17:38 <lophyte> that assumes I can access jffs properly...
Dec 04 17:18:10 <lophyte> which I can't seem to on my pc
Dec 04 17:18:43 <lophyte> you can't mount a jffs image with loopback, but even using mtdblock kernel modules its not working..
Dec 04 17:18:50 <lophyte>  dd if=rootfs.jffs2 of=/dev/mtd0
Dec 04 17:18:50 <lophyte> dd: writing to `/dev/mtd0': No space left on device
Dec 04 17:20:11 <lophyte> re-flashing the device is probably easier...
Dec 04 17:23:26 <sp3000> timeless: layout.full.true.zoom.mode true -> false works but doesn't seem to persist
Dec 04 17:23:57 * sp3000 goes edit it behind the browser's back
Dec 04 17:28:30 <sp3000> grumble :(
Dec 04 17:28:36 <sp3000> it resets it on startup
Dec 04 17:33:03 <GeneralAntilles> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2487
Dec 04 17:33:07 <GeneralAntilles> Now that just makes me laugh.
Dec 04 17:33:53 <pupnik> https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=158461  VIVE:  An ffmpeg GUI for video encoding. Supports DVD and files and converts to all formats allowed by ffmpeg, including the iPod, PSP, and other popular formats.
Dec 04 17:37:10 <sp3000> but I think I rather like this mode better than the two we ship :)
Dec 04 17:42:47 <bstock> anyone know a good online store with the n810 in stock in US?
Dec 04 17:45:53 <lardman> C help needed
Dec 04 17:46:05 <lardman> error: expression must be a pointer to a complete object type
Dec 04 17:46:12 <lardman> void ptr = (s->q_val + entry  s->q_pack);
Dec 04 17:46:23 <lardman> void  ptr = (s->q_val + entry   s->q_pack);
Dec 04 17:46:28 <lardman> hmm, markup
Dec 04 17:46:57 <lardman> void <asterisk>ptr = (s->q_val + entry <asterisk> s->q_pack);
Dec 04 17:47:04 <lardman> any ideas?
Dec 04 17:47:27 <elb> you can't declare a variable of type void
Dec 04 17:47:32 <elb> perhaps you mean void *ptr
Dec 04 17:47:51 <elb> oh, that's what you mean by <asterisk>
Dec 04 17:48:37 <derf> You can't do arithmetic on void pointers.
Dec 04 17:48:46 <elb> is s->q_val an incomplete type?
Dec 04 17:49:12 <elb> (that is, either an object of unknown size declared as a pointer for storage of some library-internal state, or a void *)
Dec 04 17:49:23 <Guest12031> w
Dec 04 17:49:41 <lardman> derf: ah, I see
Dec 04 17:49:56 <lardman> elb: I don't know what an incomplete type is
Dec 04 17:50:06 <elb> I explained that in the parenthetical
Dec 04 17:50:26 <lardman> oops, let me read that, was called to the kitchen to chop an onion
Dec 04 17:51:06 <lardman> so the answer is, quite possibly
Dec 04 17:51:29 <lardman> presumbly I should cast them to something other than void to allow the arithmetic?
Dec 04 17:51:32 <elb> what are you actually trying to compute?
Dec 04 17:51:41 <elb> is s->q_val actually the head of an array?
Dec 04 17:51:47 <timeless> sp300: ping
Dec 04 17:51:49 <timeless> sp3000: ping
Dec 04 17:51:53 <timeless> http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/source/browser-extras/www/browser-extras/pool/chinook/extensions/
Dec 04 17:51:57 <lardman> elb: I have't the faintest idea, deep in codebook.c for tremor lowmem no-byte
Dec 04 17:52:01 <timeless> should i intentionally drop pieces from pool?
Dec 04 17:52:04 <elb> if so, and you know the type that it contains, cast s->q_val to a pointer to that type
Dec 04 17:52:11 * timeless doesn't like the idea of indexing pools
Dec 04 17:52:28 <elb> oh ... let me suggest not doing pointer math on objects you don't understand ;-)
Dec 04 17:52:34 <timeless> http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/source/browser-extras/www/browser-extras/pool/bora/extensions/
Dec 04 17:52:39 <timeless> being a much worse example
Dec 04 17:54:45 <derf> lardman: Oh, you should've said so.
Dec 04 17:55:04 <lardman> elb: I agree with your thinking, I thought it might just have been a peculiarity of the dsp compiler
Dec 04 17:55:11 <lardman> derf: sorry
Dec 04 17:55:13 <derf> Reading the code, you should just move the ptr assignment inside the subsequent if's.
Dec 04 17:55:30 <sp3000> timeless: I'm not sure I follow
Dec 04 17:55:47 <sp3000> but pools are mostly slightly hard-to-index stuff
Dec 04 17:55:54 <timeless> sp3000: basically, if i index pool
Dec 04 17:56:05 <timeless> then you'll get lots of useless hits
Dec 04 17:56:09 <timeless> basically garabge
Dec 04 17:56:09 <derf> Drop the s->q_pack multiple and cast things to the actual type they are.
Dec 04 17:56:50 <sp3000> the .dscs could be some flavor of helpful, maybe
Dec 04 17:56:56 <lardman> derf: ok, let me have a look at that
Dec 04 17:57:09 <timeless> ?
Dec 04 17:57:10 <sp3000> do you want a filename exclude rather?
Dec 04 17:57:27 <timeless> http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/source/browser-extras/www/browser-extras/pool/bora/extensions/
Dec 04 17:57:30 <timeless> consider that
Dec 04 17:57:37 <timeless> ideally, i'd only have 2 files in the entire dir
Dec 04 17:57:45 <derf> lardman: I mean, if you look at case 2: above that, the meaning of what they _actually_ meant to do should become pretty clear.
Dec 04 17:59:56 <lopz> hola
Dec 04 18:01:00 <sp3000> I don't have your upstream urls mapped
Dec 04 18:01:27 <derf> gcc lets you do arithmetic on void *'s as if they were char *'s, despite the fact that it is illegal. I have no idea what happens when you do that on a machine without an 8-bit char, and apparently neither does your compiler.
Dec 04 18:02:56 <timeless> ?
Dec 04 18:03:02 <timeless> sp3000: ok, next problem
Dec 04 18:03:05 <timeless> i'm trying to use rsync
Dec 04 18:03:09 <timeless> and i need to make sure it's "niced"
Dec 04 18:03:11 <timeless> ideas? ":)
Dec 04 18:03:12 <lardman> it worries me that the code, although supposed to be nobyte, has two different paths with either (unsigned char *) or (ogg_uint16_t *)
Dec 04 18:03:41 <lardman> both of which are the same with no 8bit bytes
Dec 04 18:04:29 <lardman> unless it decides at runtime: if(s->q_bits<=8)
Dec 04 18:06:15 <lardman> I just cast s->q_val as (unsigned char *)
Dec 04 18:07:04 <timeless> sent 127402662 bytes  received 107782 bytes  201597.54 bytes/sec
Dec 04 18:07:04 <timeless> total size is 198766205  speedup is 1.56
Dec 04 18:07:14 <timeless> that's how expensive adding browser-extras was
Dec 04 18:07:16 <sp3000> timeless: at the other end? no... unless you can limit the user at the other end, or do some daemon dance that I knw nothing about
Dec 04 18:07:51 <timeless> sp3000: i'm wondering if i can use --rsync-path
Dec 04 18:07:56 <timeless> maybe something like
Dec 04 18:08:06 <sp3000> possibly
Dec 04 18:08:06 <timeless> --rsync-path="nice -n 19 bin/rsync"
Dec 04 18:09:02 <lardman> this compiler obviously doesn't like void* -> lots of errors caused by trying to cast a value of type "int" cannot be assigned to an entity of type "ogg_uint16_t *"
Dec 04 18:09:13 <lardman> so presumably it assumes void=int
Dec 04 18:09:20 <sp3000> yeah, the manpage examples sound like that might be possible
Dec 04 18:09:43 <sp3000> or, pretty surely is, since there are shelly things in the example strings
Dec 04 18:12:07 * sp3000 wonders why he didn't see it in the options list
Dec 04 18:15:31 <timeless> it's burried near -e ...
Dec 04 18:15:49 <timeless> sadly it does have the word "remote" in the help too
Dec 04 18:17:17 <timeless> gah, blizzard gave me homework
Dec 04 18:45:20 <derf> lardman: That's why I think casting q_val as (unsigned char *) is the _wrong_ thing to do.
Dec 04 18:46:22 <derf> The right thing is not to multiply by s->q_pack, but to cast to the correct pointer type in each of the branches.
Dec 04 18:48:40 <derf> Anyway, you should post a log of the errors.
Dec 04 19:19:44 <Tak> that would just produce a constant.
Dec 04 19:24:26 <sven-tek2> hi! does anyone here user v4l2 with os2008? I tried using motion-3.2.9 with it, but it does not work. Something seems to have changed in kernel/camera-driver.
Dec 04 19:39:10 <GNUton> Hi
Dec 04 19:44:56 <lardman> hmm, it appears to have successfully compiled
Dec 04 19:45:03 <lardman> step one complete...
Dec 04 19:46:24 <Tak> If it compiles, it's done.  Any other problems are user error.
Dec 04 19:46:30 <lardman> lol
Dec 04 19:46:33 <lardman> we'll see
Dec 04 19:46:36 <lardman> step 2 is pub
Dec 04 19:46:42 <lardman> step 3 is testing
Dec 04 19:46:50 <lardman> onto step 2, see you all a bit later
Dec 04 20:24:02 <cbx33> hey alterego
Dec 04 20:24:09 <cbx33> that £1 for a day browsing
Dec 04 20:24:14 <cbx33> limited to 30Mb
Dec 04 20:24:43 <alterego> cbx33, yeah I know.
Dec 04 20:24:49 <cbx33> :(
Dec 04 20:24:53 <alterego> You think you'll use over 30M ?
Dec 04 20:25:12 <alterego> I used it yesterday loads and I only got to 4M
Dec 04 20:25:18 <cbx33> really
Dec 04 20:25:20 <cbx33> doing what?
Dec 04 20:25:39 <alterego> Browsing, IM, Mail
Dec 04 20:25:57 <cbx33> how did you measure it?
Dec 04 20:25:57 <alterego> Oh, and SSH
Dec 04 20:26:09 <alterego> The connection manager shows data counters.
Dec 04 20:26:14 <cbx33> ahhh
Dec 04 20:26:34 <alterego> Would be a lot better with EDGE though.
Dec 04 20:26:43 <alterego> I was only using GPRS (slow as hell)
Dec 04 20:27:02 <alterego> So I'm gonna buy a new phone tomorrow or Thursday :)
Dec 04 20:27:36 <cbx33> cool
Dec 04 20:27:45 <cbx33> 3G?
Dec 04 20:27:57 <alterego> Yes & no, no video calling.
Dec 04 20:28:02 <alterego> It's a Nokia 7300
Dec 04 20:29:07 <cbx33> cool
Dec 04 20:29:19 <cbx33> is that a payg sim?
Dec 04 20:29:38 <alterego> Yeah, it's cheap.
Dec 04 20:29:49 <alterego> Quite a nice phone for the price though
Dec 04 20:29:59 <alterego> ~80 GBP
Dec 04 20:30:06 <cbx33> did you ring them up this morning?
Dec 04 20:30:17 <alterego> No, I'm not going to buy it from Orange.
Dec 04 20:30:29 <cbx33> no for the £1 bundle
Dec 04 20:30:30 <alterego> I want it unlocked.
Dec 04 20:30:44 <alterego> No, I've been at home all day so I've not needed to.
Dec 04 20:31:24 <cbx33> so how did you activate the bundle?
Dec 04 20:31:49 <alterego> That was yesterday
Dec 04 20:32:18 <alterego> I rang up 450, and followed the automatic instructions.
Dec 04 20:32:24 <cbx33> ok
Dec 04 20:32:31 <alterego> Basically choosing the right menu options.
Dec 04 20:32:33 <cbx33> i thught it only activated it for that day though?
Dec 04 20:32:40 <alterego> It does.
Dec 04 20:32:52 <alterego> It works for 24 hours.
Dec 04 20:33:04 <alterego> Then you have to do it again if you want if for the next day.
Dec 04 20:35:29 <timeless> GeneralAntilles: that fmradio thing is a bug in the program listing data for the region?
Dec 04 20:35:48 <GeneralAntilles> I don't have a damn clue.
Dec 04 20:35:56 <GeneralAntilles> Were you able to interpret the description?
Dec 04 20:36:22 <GeneralAntilles> I'm less inclined to believe it's a problem with the program than with the person. ;)
Dec 04 20:36:43 <timeless> that is my interpretation
Dec 04 20:36:54 <timeless> there's a channel list that the app can download
Dec 04 20:37:02 <timeless> if it has the wrong frequency listed for a station
Dec 04 20:37:09 <timeless> you'd get a user w/ that reaction
Dec 04 20:37:16 <timeless> at least, istr one
Dec 04 20:38:08 <GeneralAntilles> I guess you could compare the frequency listed on the station's website with the one the applet shows.
Dec 04 20:38:27 <GeneralAntilles> Where does Nokia pull the station data from?
Dec 04 20:53:11 <K`zan> Anyone got a pointer where I can possibly figure out why every time I find an open WIFI hotspot and try to connect to it, the n800 tries for a bit and returns a network error?
Dec 04 20:53:32 <GeneralAntilles> MAC address filtering?
Dec 04 20:53:37 <GeneralAntilles> Low signal?
Dec 04 20:53:41 <GeneralAntilles> Shitty router?
Dec 04 20:53:58 <K`zan> Low signal might be it. possible...
Dec 04 20:54:28 <alterego> Low transmission power too ..
Dec 04 20:54:37 <K`zan> One might think that if the signal is too low to connect to, it wouldn't be listed.  My only real experience is with the router about 5
Dec 04 20:54:43 <K`zan> ' from the n800 :).
Dec 04 20:54:49 <alterego> If not already at 100mw try setting it to that.
Dec 04 20:55:14 <K`zan> Sset at 100mW.  It would be nice to be able to set that on a per-connection basis - sure don't need 100mW here.
Dec 04 20:55:16 <alterego> I've successfully connected to AP's ~100M away
Dec 04 20:55:34 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, some of it might be blamed on the N800 seeing the router, but the router not hearing the N800.
Dec 04 20:55:50 <K`zan> Dunno, suspect there are a number of issues involved here but with just the bars, it is hard to diagnose.
Dec 04 20:56:01 <K`zan> Not to mention my ignorance of the subject :-(.
Dec 04 20:57:26 <K`zan> Unf no open sites within my range here.  Using the "Site Survey" off the tomato firmware gives me a pretty good idea of what is going on though.
Dec 04 20:58:06 <amr> anyone here got an Asus EEE pc?
Dec 04 20:58:19 <GeneralAntilles> Really, K`zan, you need AT&T and a 3G phone. ;)
Dec 04 20:58:33 <K`zan> GeneralAntilles: Got both and can't afford to use it :-/.
Dec 04 20:58:41 <GeneralAntilles> $20/mo?
Dec 04 20:58:48 <K`zan> AT&T really rapes you for using it.
Dec 04 20:59:07 <GeneralAntilles> (stupid damn Colloquy wont give up focus >:()
Dec 04 20:59:27 <K`zan> I looked at the wireless rates and nothing around $20 that I found, but even that seems excessive :-/.
Dec 04 20:59:46 <K`zan> Will go take another peek.
Dec 04 21:00:55 <jeff1f> $20 will get you unofficial tethering
Dec 04 21:01:17 <jeff1f> $60 is the official rate
Dec 04 21:01:38 <fysa> through where?
Dec 04 21:02:13 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, I'm using the unofficial plan.
Dec 04 21:02:15 <GeneralAntilles> Works great.
Dec 04 21:02:35 <jeff1f> at&t
Dec 04 21:02:45 <fysa> ah
Dec 04 21:04:17 <jeff1f> did you have to change any settings, GeneralAntilles
Dec 04 21:04:26 <GeneralAntilles> isp -> wap
Dec 04 21:05:54 <fysa> VBA/GBA emu working for OS2008 yet?
Dec 04 21:09:14 <alterego> Cool, azureus tunned through SSH. :)
Dec 04 21:09:22 <alterego> ~tunnelled :)
Dec 04 21:14:21 <timeless> dunno, i suppose i could look....
Dec 04 21:28:48 <K`zan> BT Keyboard and BT GPS will hopefully be here by the end of the week!
Dec 04 21:28:56 <guerby> hi, is there a way to see what proxy microb is currently using?
Dec 04 21:28:58 <GeneralAntilles> Woo.
Dec 04 21:29:00 <guerby> on OS2008
Dec 04 21:29:02 <K`zan> :-)
Dec 04 21:29:27 <GeneralAntilles> Goddamn, I'm installing Perl modules and for some reason one of them needed to test the text-to-speech.
Dec 04 21:29:33 <GeneralAntilles> Scarred the bejesus out of me.
Dec 04 21:31:03 <K`zan> Ah, meant to ask where one finds flite for maemo mapper?
Dec 04 21:32:09 <GeneralAntilles> Don't think the package is working under OS2008.
Dec 04 21:32:30 <GeneralAntilles> But it's probably linked on Gnuite's website if you want to give it a go.
Dec 04 21:32:35 <K`zan> Ah, ok, thanks.  Still wondering if going to 2008 was the wise thing to do :-/.
Dec 04 21:32:49 <p|> re
Dec 04 21:33:04 <GeneralAntilles> K`zan, it's the future.
Dec 04 21:33:08 <K`zan> I wonder how many apps are really out there for 2008.  Finding them is exciting.
Dec 04 21:33:11 <GeneralAntilles> Now or in 2 weeks.
Dec 04 21:33:16 <GeneralAntilles> It doesn't really matter. :P
Dec 04 21:33:22 <K`zan> GeneralAntilles: Unfortunately I live in the present :).
Dec 04 21:33:25 <K`zan> LOL
Dec 04 21:34:16 <K`zan> From 30 to 55 apps for it in a very few days, not shabby :-).
Dec 04 21:34:25 <GeneralAntilles> K`zan, have you tried mmpc?
Dec 04 21:34:37 <K`zan> Figuring out what they are from the 2008 downloads is a bit challenging though.
Dec 04 21:34:40 <K`zan> mmpc ?!?
Dec 04 21:35:35 <GeneralAntilles> Just install all the repos and use the app manager.
Dec 04 21:35:40 <GeneralAntilles> Maemo Media Player Client.
Dec 04 21:35:45 <GeneralAntilles> It's fantastical for music playback.
Dec 04 21:38:10 <maddler> evening
Dec 04 22:23:02 <sp3000> timeless: so yeah, I have a bookmark for starting the browser now
Dec 04 22:23:31 <sp3000> it starts with about and ends with false :)
Dec 04 22:33:05 <halley> sp3000, and what's in the middle?
Dec 04 22:34:29 <sp3000> :config?sprefname=zoom&prefname=layout.full.true.zoom.mode&prefvalue=
Dec 04 22:35:07 <Segnale007> hi guys
Dec 04 22:35:14 <Segnale007> I have a question
Dec 04 22:35:30 <GeneralAntilles> Stupid, bitch ITT.
Dec 04 22:35:35 <GeneralAntilles> *+y
Dec 04 22:35:44 <Segnale007> Can I install xfce on my n800 with running os2008 ?
Dec 04 22:36:01 <Segnale007> because, I have some problem when I trying to install it
Dec 04 22:36:19 <Segnale007> problem about kernel I guess ..
Dec 04 22:36:35 <Segnale007> hi GeneralAntilles
Dec 04 22:37:13 <GeneralAntilles> xfce is out of my expertise. :)
Dec 04 22:37:52 <dragorn> xfce the window manager?  I think you have to build a custom fw to get something like that going
Dec 04 22:38:02 <dragorn> but it's plausible that I'm incorrect
Dec 04 22:38:10 <Segnale007> uhm
Dec 04 22:38:38 <Segnale007> I don't know
Dec 04 22:38:40 <dragorn> I haven't seen any WM replacement stuff as packages on top of the maemo builds
Dec 04 22:38:43 <Segnale007> I wanna install it or kde
Dec 04 22:39:00 <Segnale007> yah .. it's true
Dec 04 22:39:40 <Segnale007> have u tried to install some wm on ur tablet pc ?
Dec 04 22:40:00 <Segnale007> sorry my lang so poor :(
Dec 04 22:40:02 <fysa> XFCE 'pack' is posted to the forums
Dec 04 22:40:10 <Segnale007> I know
Dec 04 22:40:18 <Segnale007> just tired to install it
Dec 04 22:40:44 <Segnale007> but, I have got some error
Dec 04 22:40:48 <Segnale007> *errors
Dec 04 22:40:57 <Segnale007> about mount loop
Dec 04 22:41:11 <Segnale007> someone bitch .. I have lose the logs
Dec 04 22:41:14 <Segnale007> :/
Dec 04 22:41:30 <Segnale007> after I will paste this
Dec 04 22:46:26 <fadec> does anyone have experience running scratchbox on a non-debian based OS? Trying to build on archlinux.
Dec 04 22:47:20 <Segnale007> arch is a nice distro
Dec 04 22:47:27 <Segnale007> more better debian based
Dec 04 22:47:37 <Segnale007> I wanna try it on my n800
Dec 04 22:47:47 <Segnale007> somebody do this ..
Dec 04 22:47:49 <Segnale007> gh
Dec 04 22:48:42 <dragorn> fadec: my experiences in the past were negative
Dec 04 22:49:06 <dragorn> fadec: to the point that I just threw vmware server on a big box and ran sb on ubuntu in a vm
Dec 04 22:49:38 <fadec> hmm - vmware is a possibility
Dec 04 22:50:15 <dragorn> also, I'm a paranoid SOB and didn't really want sb weirdness bindmounting all over my system
Dec 04 22:50:32 <fadec> I've changed a few things in the build script for scratchbox to try and make it work but I wonder if it's going to be futile.
Dec 04 22:50:34 <dragorn> not that their methods aren't neat, I'm just happier with it locked in it's own vm :)
Dec 04 22:51:25 <fadec> it's a good idea to lock it away - I had it on ubuntu before and I didn't really know what it was doing to my system. Still - everything appeared to be in the /scratchbox dir.
Dec 04 22:51:58 <dragorn> it is, for the most part, I'm just over-paranoid.
Dec 04 22:52:17 <dragorn> and it didn't work for me under gentoo w/in my time limit for being willing to mess around anyhow
Dec 04 22:53:48 <fadec> I find it strange they limit it to debian but then I don't know much about it. Thanks for the VM idea. Nice chatting.
Dec 04 23:02:00 <oafbot>  /leave #maemo
Dec 04 23:06:25 <hozano> Hi folks. Can somebody help me about python-evas ?
Dec 04 23:16:31 <Mikho> why does it seem learning autotools is the most difficult and confusing programming subject I've encountered so far
Dec 04 23:17:17 <Segnale007> guys
Dec 04 23:17:24 <elb> because autotools are not so much a coherent programming experience, as an ad-hoc pile of macros that work Just Well Enough
Dec 04 23:17:32 <Segnale007> when I try to install xfce
Dec 04 23:17:40 <Segnale007> I get this errors
Dec 04 23:17:41 <Segnale007> mount: mounting /dev/loop0 on /usr/local failed
Dec 04 23:17:41 <Segnale007> MOUNTING FAILED, UH OH, SOMETHINGS WRONG
Dec 04 23:17:41 <Segnale007> Press Enter
Dec 04 23:17:41 <Segnale007> ./mmc2menu.sh: line 57: clear: not found
Dec 04 23:17:44 <wumpus> Mikho: agreed
Dec 04 23:17:44 <Mikho> elb, I think you're right
Dec 04 23:18:00 <Segnale007> what wrong ?
Dec 04 23:18:02 * celesteh hunts the wumpus
Dec 04 23:18:34 <wumpus> it's a lot of work especially if you need special things, like a compiler that is not automatically supported by automake, or a library that doesn't have it's own m4 macros, etc..
Dec 04 23:18:46 <wumpus> but even the base autotools is a nightmare :)
Dec 04 23:18:52 <wumpus> lol celesteh
Dec 04 23:19:42 <Segnale007> anybody have some idea ?
Dec 04 23:19:52 <Segnale007> I just use os2008
Dec 04 23:19:58 <Segnale007> maybe the problem is it ?
Dec 04 23:20:04 <Segnale007> or me ?  lol
Dec 04 23:20:35 <Mikho> I wanted to use 3rd party software, with ready written basic Makefiles without autotools. Included the directories with SUBDIRS command, which worked well enough until I tried to create a debian package of the whole thing. Complained something about can't make target distdir or sth
Dec 04 23:21:06 <celesteh> wumpus: http://david.jensenius.org/?p=16
Dec 04 23:21:09 <Mikho> after half an hour of googling resolved the problem by using nodist_SUBDIRS instead of SUBDIRS
Dec 04 23:21:58 <Mikho> I wonder how many specifically recognized prefixes/suffixes there are in autotools
Dec 04 23:24:05 <halley> Man, I hate it when someone's on ignore, but they actually log in from several different hosts.
Dec 04 23:26:23 <zerojay> halley: Can't you ignore , say.. username!name@* ?
Dec 04 23:28:23 <halley> This one uses the same nick, but some use foo|work, foo|home variants.  This one does not use the same ident.
Dec 04 23:29:04 <halley> Most clients make it easy to ignore *!foo*@*.foohost.net but it's still annoying to do it twice.
Dec 04 23:39:29 <Mikho> I'm including some files in the deb package with 'dist_<filename>_DATA' command in a Makefile.am file. How can I make it appear with executable permissions when the deb package is installed?
Dec 04 23:41:23 <lardman> that question flies far over lardman's head
Dec 04 23:41:40 <halley> And yet, you feel compelled to comment.
Dec 04 23:42:13 <lardman> merely to make sure he realises there are actually people listening, and that his question is difficult
Dec 04 23:42:30 * halley rolls his eyes.
Dec 04 23:42:59 <Mikho> I'm almost there. I can get the file to install properly from the package, but I want it marked as an executable
Dec 04 23:43:09 * lardman goes back to doing something productive with a dsp and not annoying the late night inhabitants of #maemo
Dec 04 23:43:13 <Mikho> a simple chmod command would do the trick
Dec 05 00:00:04 <halley> Annoying when an app only has like a 3x3 pixel icon, instead of the stock size of other apps.
Dec 05 00:05:47 <Mikho> hahaha, I did it. Just had to list the file with dist_pkgdata_SCRIPTS macro in the Makefile.am file
Dec 05 00:06:14 <BuckWild> umm
Dec 05 00:06:28 <BuckWild> I can't seem to be able to flash my N800 using the linux flasher
Dec 05 00:06:34 <BuckWild> it looks like it's going to work but then it does nothing
Dec 05 00:06:52 <BuckWild> I have an N800 and I'm trying to flash on ubuntu amd64 bit, with OS 2008 beta
Dec 05 00:07:23 <Esworp> this is a test of the thinkoutside keyboard...
Dec 05 00:07:26 <Esworp> yup.
Dec 05 00:07:29 <Esworp> I'm happy.
Dec 05 00:07:36 <Esworp> yay n sh_t.
Dec 05 00:09:24 <l7_> I have heard the windows flasher is betterI have heard the windows flasher is better
Dec 05 00:09:49 <l7_> qThat was odd.
Dec 05 00:09:53 <l7_> That was odd.
Dec 05 00:11:02 <l7_> Looks like a bug with OS2008 in the thumb board
Dec 05 00:11:19 <l7_> in xterm
Dec 05 00:12:58 <l7_> it prints to the terminal, then the text st ays in the buffer
Dec 05 00:17:10 <Esworp> blam
Dec 05 00:17:27 <astro76> Esworp, got the ultra-slim?
Dec 05 00:18:09 <Esworp> yeah.
Dec 05 00:18:21 <Esworp> i had one for my palm, it's about he same, but a bit snappier.
Dec 05 00:18:39 <Esworp> and the pairing is more transparent...  once you set it up.
Dec 05 00:19:38 <Esworp> so, does os2008 update the email app?  i hate the included one.
Dec 05 00:19:50 <astro76> I'm really happy with it... would be nice if they labeled where the print screen, scroll lock, pause, insert, and function keys are, I had to find them myself
Dec 05 00:25:08 <Esworp> heh..  i just wanna type.
Dec 05 00:25:16 <halley> Flashing an N810... need to hold any buttons like older models?
Dec 05 00:25:24 <Esworp> none of that weirdness for me, kthx.
Dec 05 01:00:09 <BuckWild> I'm having problems using the linux flasher with the N800 and OS 2008, anyone done this successfully?
Dec 05 01:00:23 <astro76> sure
Dec 05 01:01:04 <BuckWild> it just exits instead of updating
Dec 05 01:01:05 <astro76> BuckWild, followed this? http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux
Dec 05 01:01:41 <BuckWild> yeah
Dec 05 01:02:00 <halley> BuckWild, must do the sudo.
Dec 05 01:02:28 <BuckWild> it's executing the command
Dec 05 01:02:31 <halley> BuckWild, the -u step is unpacking; did it do that?
Dec 05 01:03:06 <BuckWild> unpacking? nah, I was trying to flash it with -f -R as switches
Dec 05 01:03:16 <BuckWild> is there something I have to do first?
Dec 05 01:03:27 <astro76> BuckWild, yeah I needed sudo
Dec 05 01:03:54 <BuckWild> I did the sudo, I'm a pretty regular linux user so I know that's not the problem
Dec 05 01:04:10 <BuckWild> it waits for my thing to start, but when it starts it just jumps off without doing anything
Dec 05 01:04:36 <BuckWild> I get this:
Dec 05 01:04:38 <BuckWild> USB device found found at bus 001, device address 037
Dec 05 01:04:38 <BuckWild> Found device RX-34, hardware revision 1301
Dec 05 01:04:38 <BuckWild> NOLO version 1.1.6
Dec 05 01:04:38 <BuckWild> Version of 'sw-release': <no version>
Dec 05 01:04:49 <BuckWild> and then it goes back to the prompt
Dec 05 01:04:53 <halley> I'm on OSX, but I used these:
Dec 05 01:05:16 <halley> sudo ./flasher-2.0.macosx -u -F RX-44_2008SE_1.2007.42-19_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin
Dec 05 01:05:16 <halley> sudo ./flasher-2.0.macosx --enable-rd-mode
Dec 05 01:05:16 <halley> sudo ./flasher-2.0.macosx -k zImage -f
Dec 05 01:05:16 <halley> sudo ./flasher-2.0.macosx -n initfs.jffs2 -f
Dec 05 01:05:16 <halley> sudo ./flasher-2.0.macosx -r rootfs.jffs2 -f -R
Dec 05 01:06:51 <halley> Hm, maemocjk is not working well.
Dec 05 01:09:28 <BuckWild> alright this seems to be working
Dec 05 01:10:24 <BuckWild> yeah
Dec 05 01:10:27 <BuckWild> looks like this worked
Dec 05 01:10:28 <BuckWild> thanks guys
Dec 05 01:15:37 <BuckWild> has anyone else had bluetooth pairing problems with OS 2008
Dec 05 01:17:47 <l7> what kind of problems?
Dec 05 01:18:07 <l7> i am able to share files over bluetooth in 2008
Dec 05 01:18:13 <BuckWild> it said pairing with my phone failed
Dec 05 01:18:23 <BuckWild> my phone didn't seem to be having a problem tho
Dec 05 01:18:26 <l7> did you punch in the code?
Dec 05 01:18:31 <BuckWild> yeah
Dec 05 01:18:39 <l7> i haven't tried my phone yet...
Dec 05 01:18:51 <BuckWild> I really like the layout of the OS a lot better
Dec 05 01:18:53 <l7> 2008 seems pretty buggy though
Dec 05 01:19:38 <BuckWild> well, this isn't a final release
Dec 05 01:20:26 <BuckWild> I honestly don't use the device as much as I thought I would
Dec 05 01:20:27 <BuckWild> so
Dec 05 01:20:34 <l7> yeah i can't wait until 2008 is out of beta
Dec 05 01:20:34 <BuckWild> I was willing to experiment a little
Dec 05 01:20:53 <l7> did you get the 800 or 810?
Dec 05 01:21:36 <BuckWild> 800
Dec 05 01:21:41 <BuckWild> I wish I would've waited for the 810
Dec 05 01:21:50 <BuckWild> cuz I really would like a built in keyboard
Dec 05 01:21:59 <BuckWild> I think that's the big thing that prevents me from using it more actually
Dec 05 01:23:34 <astro76> besides the screen I prefer the n800
Dec 05 01:23:45 <astro76> really hope the next one goes back to SD
Dec 05 01:25:08 <BuckWild> oh, the 810 doesn't have SD?
Dec 05 01:25:21 <astro76> external minisd, internal 2GB fixed
Dec 05 01:25:45 <BuckWild> that's not too bad I guess
Dec 05 01:25:56 <BuckWild> they are supposed to be targeted for different markets or whatever
Dec 05 01:26:08 <BuckWild> I have an 8gb card, so that would kinda suck to not be able to use that
Dec 05 01:26:42 <BuckWild> this OS seems a lot snappier
Dec 05 01:26:55 <astro76> well, the cpu is now running at 400 MHz instead of 330
Dec 05 01:28:02 <BuckWild> yeah, that's what I heard
Dec 05 01:28:28 <astro76> the difference is definitely noticeable
Dec 05 01:29:49 <|R> zerojay : i just sent an inquiry to nokia.ca to see if they could arrange something for discount code + canada shipping... (worth a try i guess..)
Dec 05 01:30:05 <|R> i'll keep you up to date if something ever comes out of it :)
Dec 05 01:31:08 <BuckWild> umm
Dec 05 01:31:16 <BuckWild> does anyone know if you can install firefox addons
Dec 05 01:31:21 <BuckWild> now that it's mozilla based
Dec 05 01:31:23 <BuckWild> I guess not
Dec 05 01:31:27 <|R> (and if other canadian have a discount code too, tell me ;)
Dec 05 01:31:27 <BuckWild> that would be awesome tho
Dec 05 01:31:32 <BuckWild> if I could have adblock plus
Dec 05 01:31:33 <BuckWild> haha
Dec 05 01:33:21 <astro76> BuckWild, http://browser-extras.garage.maemo.org/news/
Dec 05 01:33:47 <astro76> install greasemonkey and you can use this script for adblocking http://userstyles.org/styles/299
Dec 05 01:34:03 <BuckWild> nice.
Dec 05 01:44:56 <fadec> anybody else have crashes with the installed nokia 770 email program?
Dec 05 01:47:30 <zerojay> |R: ok.
Dec 05 01:56:15 <BuckWild> is there a version of this bomberman for linux PCs?
Dec 05 02:09:27 <lopz> re
Dec 05 02:35:59 <srwalter> Why might an AVI file take many seconds to start playing (on both mplayer and media-player)
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