**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Dec 05 02:59:56 2007 Dec 05 03:41:39 Woo! Just ordered an n800 last night! Dec 05 03:41:43 * blithe does a little happy dance. Dec 05 03:44:41 What'd you pay? Dec 05 03:44:53 $230 free shipping? Dec 05 03:45:04 Nice Dec 05 03:45:16 Got it from buy.com, not sure if they still have them. Dec 05 03:45:46 I was just curious. I bought an n810 last week Dec 05 03:45:55 Ooo, cool. Dec 05 03:45:59 How much that set you back? Dec 05 03:46:15 $450 Dec 05 03:46:31 Oye. Dec 05 03:46:48 I gotta have the hardware keyboard Dec 05 03:52:57 Yeah, it'd be nice for ssh'ing. Dec 05 03:53:17 I just can't afford the N810 right now. :P Dec 05 03:53:55 Nice for IRC, too :) Dec 05 03:54:32 Exactly! Dec 05 03:54:52 They were selling those igo stowaways on amazon for $30 the other day. Dec 05 03:54:57 So I don't mind. Dec 05 03:55:00 * blithe grins Dec 05 03:55:06 The GPS would be nice though. Dec 05 03:55:59 <|R> srwalter : how's the typing ? speed/accuracy ? Dec 05 03:57:21 Its not bad. The response is a little iinconsistent Dec 05 03:57:45 (Note the double I, for example) Dec 05 03:57:52 hehe Dec 05 03:57:53 <|R> haha :) Dec 05 03:58:04 <|R> I'm eager to be able to order mine ... Dec 05 03:58:23 <|R> i have an n800+stoaway right now... it's not perfect either but it's a quite good mix :) Dec 05 03:58:39 How do you like the stowaway? Dec 05 03:59:16 <|R> A little getting used to for the Fn keys, # row, etc... and since i usually speak french i still need to fix the accents in some way, but it works well :) Dec 05 03:59:24 Got a link for the stowaway? Dec 05 03:59:35 Sec. Dec 05 03:59:37 <|R> srwalter : information? Dec 05 03:59:49 Right Dec 05 04:00:04 <|R> http://www.igo.com/product.asp?sku=2524884 Dec 05 04:00:12 Thanks Dec 05 04:00:18 http://tinyurl.com/yqt48h Dec 05 04:00:24 That's the amazon deal. Dec 05 04:00:27 <|R> but just search stowaway ultra-slim bluetooth keyboard and you'll find miriads of data :) Dec 05 04:00:43 <|R> oh it's still up Dec 05 04:00:52 |R: Can you remap keys easily with it? Dec 05 04:00:57 I type with a dvorak layout. Dec 05 04:01:02 <|R> amazon.com is really anoying for canadians, you can order books from the .com but not electronics or anything else for that mather... Dec 05 04:01:17 <|R> blithe : well i guess that if you type with dvorak you know avout xmodmap ;) Dec 05 04:01:24 Ah, k. Dec 05 04:01:25 <|R> s/avout/about/ Dec 05 04:01:25 |R meant: blithe : well i guess that if you type with dvorak you know about xmodmap ;) Dec 05 04:01:32 * srwalter uses dvorak, too Dec 05 04:01:36 <|R> blithe : dovrak is not in the default choices :) Dec 05 04:01:42 hehe Dec 05 04:01:54 <|R> really? wow, i thought it was pretty rare :) Dec 05 04:02:05 I love it. Dec 05 04:02:28 <|R> we should have keymap generators based on language sets Dec 05 04:02:58 I'm mixed. Not sure if it is worse than qwerty for this, but a lot of pprogramming keys are right-pinky Dec 05 04:03:00 <|R> let's say, generate me a keymap that is going to be efficient if i use french 60% of the time and english 40% Dec 05 04:03:23 That'd be pretty cool Dec 05 04:03:38 <|R> and than add japanese and swahili haha ;) Dec 05 04:03:57 srwalter: Will a standard dvorak xmodmap file work with the bt keyboards? Dec 05 04:04:02 Or will I have to make my own? Dec 05 04:04:22 <|R> i'm guessing it should, but not sure... i know that when running on an old mac PPC i had to remake my own Dec 05 04:04:27 I suspect it would be no different. Not using a bt keyboard here Dec 05 04:04:30 Japanese will work find with any latin layout Dec 05 04:04:42 <|R> yeah, i guess :) Dec 05 04:04:43 Aight, I'll mess with it when mine comes in the mail. :P Dec 05 04:04:53 xkb *does* suck, though Dec 05 04:04:59 <|R> ス<- su Dec 05 04:05:01 <|R> etc Dec 05 04:05:05 I use xkb on my laptop. Dec 05 04:05:13 I have a hardware dvorak keyboard for my desktop. Dec 05 04:05:22 <|R> haha nice :) Dec 05 04:06:04 yes, I am aware of how Japanese input works, and I use it regularly Dec 05 04:06:06 man mpd+mmpc rocks Dec 05 04:06:09 <|R> i'm already the fastest typer in my group of friends, i can't switch, i'd loose my edge ahha ;) Dec 05 04:06:12 :) Dec 05 04:06:17 mariorz: That's one thing I'm really excited about! Dec 05 04:06:32 unbiased tests don't show dvorak to have any particular speed gain or loss Dec 05 04:06:34 I'm a huge mpd fan. Dec 05 04:06:44 but it *does* seem to be better with respect to RSI Dec 05 04:06:52 elb: It's just more comftorable in my mind. Dec 05 04:06:58 jsut installed it, this going to be my default setup for rocking out Dec 05 04:07:01 And I make less typing errors. Dec 05 04:07:12 blithe: I was responding to |R's comment about speed Dec 05 04:07:15 Ah. Dec 05 04:07:24 I tried to learn dvorak a few years ago ... but qwerty is hard-wired Dec 05 04:07:27 <|R> How hard is it to switch back and forth between qwerty and dvorak ? Dec 05 04:07:36 Nah, give yourself a month. Dec 05 04:07:38 Trust me. Dec 05 04:07:39 it was almost physically painful to remap my brain ;-) Dec 05 04:07:42 Anyone can switch. Dec 05 04:07:49 <|R> hehe Dec 05 04:07:56 You realize how annoying it is for new computer users thouh. Dec 05 04:08:03 And why they hate using them so much. Dec 05 04:08:13 Because it's painful to type for a week or so. :P Dec 05 04:08:16 learning and re-learning are two different things Dec 05 04:08:32 oh, yeah, typing while learning is painful Dec 05 04:08:38 but it doesn't take too long to learn, the first time Dec 05 04:08:49 I'd say relearning is easier. Dec 05 04:08:52 I had hunt-and-pecked for long enough that picking up touch typing didn't take me very long at all Dec 05 04:09:40 <|R> well started learning on typewriters at 5, had plenty of time to make my mind since hehe Dec 05 04:28:22 Hi Dec 05 04:28:41 |R, I switch completely seamlessly. Dec 05 04:28:53 I just type whatever's on the layout in front of me. Dec 05 04:29:34 I have one small question: I've just bought the n800 and i'm looking for a good quality/price GPS Bluetooth. Which one should i buy? Thanks. Dec 05 04:29:41 Though I can't type Dvorak on Qwerty or vice versa, and blank-cap keyboards absolutely don't work (as they just become a mishmash of both. Dec 05 04:29:48 i-blue 737/757 Dec 05 04:30:54 Thanks GeneralAntilles. But i read that they aren't Sirf III (i think) like Holux 240. So, do you think that i-blue is better than Holux even if Holux are Sirf III? Thanks. Dec 05 04:30:56 hi all ! Dec 05 04:31:32 Personally, I've had better experience with the MTK chipset in the i-blues than any SiRF III device. Dec 05 04:31:51 MTK has just a slight edge right now. Dec 05 04:32:30 For those of you in the USA, which place would be the one to go and buy a Nokia N810 ? Would you recommend any mail order (or internet order) shop to buy an N810 ? Dec 05 04:32:50 ah ok :). That's sounds good for me. Just a last small question: where can i bought one of them. is Buygpsnow a good place to deal with or should i deal with semsons (i think)? Thanks. Dec 05 04:33:06 amazon.com if they'll ship to you. Dec 05 04:34:06 hmm ok. By the way, Amazon has a goos price for the Igo Ultra slim keyboard for 30$ with free shipping. Thank you GeneralAntilles. Dec 05 04:36:37 <|R> Epeloon2 : i have an Holux M1200, works well and is very small (fits in a jean's lighter-pocket) Dec 05 04:36:52 <|R> GeneralAntilles : hehe for dvorak i'm not sure the gain would be practical for french typing though :) Dec 05 04:37:14 Meh, I'm just saying. ;) Dec 05 04:37:21 <|R> hehe i know :) Dec 05 04:38:11 <|R> the i-blue 737 is nice but bigger / more expensive (but removable battery as a bonus...) Dec 05 04:38:31 <|R> well not that much more actually Dec 05 04:39:08 :) Dec 05 04:39:25 <|R> (check eBay...) Dec 05 04:39:46 * |R doesn't trust shippers from hongkong on electronics though... Dec 05 04:39:51 even on ebay i find the same dealers buygpsnow and semsons Dec 05 04:40:21 even hongkong guys have the same prices or even more expensive Dec 05 04:40:31 <|R> the holux M1200 can be had for 50-60 on ebay... shipping included Dec 05 04:41:03 <|R> the i-blue 737 seems to be around 70-80 total.. Dec 05 04:41:14 i-blue 737 also fron Amazon (semsons) for 60$ shipping included :) Dec 05 04:41:26 <|R> i don't know how real life battery life differ though, i-blue will probably last longer as it is bigger :) Dec 05 04:41:28 http://www.amazon.com/i-Blue-737-Bluetooth-GPS-Receiver/dp/B000KH7MZ4/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=miscellaneous&qid=1196829352&sr=8-1 Dec 05 04:41:36 <|R> it all depends of what you plan on doing i guess :) Dec 05 04:41:48 i-blue last longer because it havs the on/off feature i think Dec 05 04:42:04 <|R> they all do Dec 05 04:42:16 ah ok, i didn't know that :) Dec 05 04:42:22 <|R> well, you're talking about a switch? Dec 05 04:42:31 no Dec 05 04:42:31 <|R> or that it has an idle mode when not probed? Dec 05 04:42:38 idle mode Dec 05 04:42:48 it is automatic when there is no bluetooth signal Dec 05 04:43:01 the i-blue becomes in idle mode Dec 05 04:43:13 No, Holux do not have the on/off feature. Dec 05 04:43:15 like shut down i think Dec 05 04:43:25 <|R> GeneralAntilles oh Dec 05 04:43:26 that's why the i-blur last longer Dec 05 04:43:27 Yeah, it powers off, basically. Dec 05 04:43:45 this is the best thing i found people like in i-blue Dec 05 04:43:50 It does about 24-26 hours of active positioning. Dec 05 04:43:52 <|R> good :) Dec 05 04:44:12 is it faster to fix a signal? i-blue 737 Dec 05 04:44:14 Is anybody else just completely fed up with ITT today? Dec 05 04:44:26 They're probably almost exactly the same, Epeloon2. Dec 05 04:44:49 All the bitchiness and the trolling is driving me up a wall. Dec 05 04:44:49 <|R> GeneralAntilles haha why? what's up with ITT ? Dec 05 04:44:55 <|R> hehe Dec 05 04:45:17 Reggie needs to add a big fat, flashing search button to the homepage. Dec 05 04:45:20 Thanks GeneralAntilles. So, i'll see prices now :). Thanks for all. Dec 05 04:45:30 I'm so tired of answering the same questions over and over and over. Dec 05 04:45:46 I can't even take out my anger with "Search first" posts anymore. :( Dec 05 04:46:15 forums do suck for that, though Dec 05 04:46:24 they're pretty much the worst possible interface to ... basically everything Dec 05 04:46:26 <|R> and maybe the search should use google as an alternate too Dec 05 04:46:32 <|R> the internal search is pretty random sometime Dec 05 04:46:57 Fair enough, but these people aren't even trying. Dec 05 04:47:05 I'm sure they aren't Dec 05 04:47:22 they're the same people who have submitted the same bug to the Pidgin bugtracker 100 times in the past week ;-) Dec 05 04:47:29 <|R> haha Dec 05 04:48:15 Started a new channel ( #nokia-tablet ) for discussion on the NXXX tablets since this channel is for devs mostly Dec 05 04:48:24 elb, did you get your device yet? Dec 05 04:48:27 Yeah, no, Palintheus. Dec 05 04:49:16 I attempted the first .install of maemocjk for n810 but it failed to reboot. :/ Dec 05 04:49:49 <|R> oops Dec 05 04:50:17 is there an similar app for n800 as 'nokia sports tracker' for S60? Dec 05 04:50:30 Well, I got to see how much WAS saved in a backup file, vs what WASN'T. Dec 05 04:50:33 * halley mutters something under his breath. Dec 05 04:50:53 eh. I could record the route and then send it to a web site. also interested of realtime location update Dec 05 05:20:54 Hummm, does the n800 work with a bluetooth mouse?!? Dec 05 05:27:10 Not well, or easily, K`zan. Dec 05 05:37:26 damn, the tablet video converter is great! Dec 05 05:38:26 but it can not use DVD as source? Dec 05 05:39:40 Who stores their DVDs are VIDEO_TS, anyway? Dec 05 05:40:13 in* Dec 05 05:40:59 hi all Dec 05 05:41:32 I tried yesterday on linux. marked all the files on the VIDEO_TS directory.. and non of the file were accepted. Dec 05 05:41:59 i have a trip report on my six-wekk-old n800 Dec 05 05:42:21 it went for a swim Dec 05 05:42:33 Haha Dec 05 05:42:38 Now, why'd you do that? Dec 05 05:42:46 i didn't, it did Dec 05 05:42:48 What water, how deep, how long? Dec 05 05:43:08 ok, i did, but didn't ask it to join me :) Dec 05 05:43:34 long day in an attic, so i filled the spa and set it off to the side as usual Dec 05 05:43:55 streaming bbc news and all of a sudden.... Dec 05 05:44:12 ... a newly placed plant on a shelf above came down Dec 05 05:44:42 Well, the first step, obviously, is to take the battery out, open up all the various ports and pieces and leave it in a dry place for a couple weeks. Dec 05 05:44:55 we're gettin there.... Dec 05 05:45:23 i see the thing fly across the tiles and land right next to me, bubbles and jets going full blast Dec 05 05:45:46 Good nows is, that as long as nothing shorted, it'll probably be ok Dec 05 05:46:10 I've heard of more than one N800 emerging unscathed from an unscheduled swim practice. Dec 05 05:46:21 two frantic grabs and i got it, pull it out, rip off the nokia magnetic cover (which was flipped full back) and start grabbing at the door Dec 05 05:46:47 rapped it quickly on the floor to get the batt out Dec 05 05:46:59 Quick thinking, good. :) Dec 05 05:47:00 and toweled everything off Dec 05 05:47:22 this without my glasses and i'm like, 20/80^6 Dec 05 05:47:38 there we both sit, maked and vulnerable Dec 05 05:47:44 sb/naked Dec 05 05:47:54 Hehe Dec 05 05:48:22 i have forced air gas heat with a bypass-style humidifier Dec 05 05:48:30 Good recommendation to future would-be N800 swimmers: stick it in a zip or two and vacuum seal it with your mouth. Works great. ;) Dec 05 05:48:45 this is better.... Dec 05 05:49:29 i shut the water supply to the humidifier, opened her up and place the pieces seperately inside the horizontal bypass, making sure the pointy screws didn't scratch the screen Dec 05 05:50:02 furnace goes on and off about four times an hour, two or three minutes a shopt Dec 05 05:50:07 \sb/shot Dec 05 05:50:32 next morniong, i was still paranois Dec 05 05:51:01 i put a medium sized silca bag inside the battery compartment and closed it up Dec 05 05:51:22 THEN i tried the ziplock baggie trick (tips hat to the General) Dec 05 05:52:16 Ha Dec 05 05:52:27 Use the ziplock BEFORE you stick it in the pool. :P Dec 05 05:52:34 next few days, the resistive pad had a bit of moisture under it and was in the shape of a histogram (ala photoshop) Dec 05 05:53:01 it went away (phew) after a few more days Dec 05 05:53:16 oil_: not sure, i haven't checked yet Dec 05 05:53:18 unbelievable Dec 05 05:53:30 you could use a two step process i guess Dec 05 05:53:31 GeneralAntilles: Thanks, I'll hold off for now :) Dec 05 05:53:49 or you could find another program i guess Dec 05 05:55:07 Working now, ol_schoola? Dec 05 05:55:38 Is there a point to map over maemo mapper? Dec 05 05:56:17 GeneralAntilles: seems perfetly fine, other than i buggered my "early adopter" 2008 install, can't flash the "blessed" one Dec 05 05:56:24 Other than missing the <+> and <-> tapping points I don't see much difference. Dec 05 05:56:47 GeneralAntilles: you got a sec to point me in the right direction? Dec 05 05:56:58 What happened with the flash? Dec 05 05:57:14 i guess you have map's own set of POIs Dec 05 05:57:25 not sure if they are better than maemo mappers Dec 05 05:57:57 Dunno at this point, my iblue 737 is on the way :-). Dec 05 05:58:28 using a mac, tiger not leopard, running the flassher and then powering gives: Found device RX-34, hardware revision 1301 ...... NOLO version 1.1.6 .... Version of 'sw-release': Dec 05 05:58:39 Seems that setup software for it only runs on a mobile pc (wincrap) device, not sure if that is important or not. Dec 05 05:58:52 i'm using Fanoush's initfs and have removed all cards Dec 05 05:59:15 I'm clueless with a non-factory initfs setup. Dec 05 05:59:31 think i ought to remove the bootloader? Dec 05 05:59:53 oh wait, you just said you had no exop Dec 05 05:59:56 exp Dec 05 05:59:56 Hehe Dec 05 06:00:00 Don't have a clue. :) Dec 05 06:00:09 Fanooooooooush!!!! Dec 05 06:00:22 Anyone here using the i-Blue 737 Bluetooth GPS ? Dec 05 06:00:34 I know things weren't working so well with his dual-boot setup and OS2008. Dec 05 06:00:38 Me, K`zan. Dec 05 06:00:56 GeneralAntilles: Ah, you are the one that got me to spring for that :). Dec 05 06:01:06 Would seem so. :P Dec 05 06:01:29 i'm not dual booting, just booting from internal mmc card Dec 05 06:01:51 GeneralAntilles: Any comments you might have? How did you set it up or do you have a mobile wincrap device? Docs are a little sparse... Dec 05 06:02:11 Should work straightout with the N800. Dec 05 06:02:16 GeneralAntilles: It's ALL *your* fault :-) LOL Dec 05 06:02:19 Dunno about the WinMob (shudder) Dec 05 06:02:34 Same thing, ol_schoola Dec 05 06:02:42 Seems you need wincrap to set it up (fuzzy on/off, etc.?) Dec 05 06:03:08 Or does it just do that - handy for battery conservation it would seem. Dec 05 06:03:15 * ol_schoola puts hex on GeneralAntilles for naming that which should not be named Dec 05 06:03:26 And I am not going to spend another damn dime on wincrap :-) Dec 05 06:03:42 Coffee, brb Dec 05 06:04:45 i'll go peruse the fora. is it just me or are the wiki articles at maemo about as stale as a truck stop bagel? Dec 05 06:05:53 back, burrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.... Dec 05 06:06:15 is the coffee outside? Dec 05 06:06:20 You're not kidding, ol_schoola. Dec 05 06:06:24 We need a good wiki. Dec 05 06:06:28 maemo's is crap Dec 05 06:06:30 itt's is crap Dec 05 06:06:36 No :-), but it was warm enough today to open the door and I just remembered it :) Dec 05 06:06:48 i'm active with the mythtv wiki, maybe i can redirect some resources Dec 05 06:07:00 K`zan: hah Dec 05 06:07:11 Anything would help, maemo is better than nothing, but not by much :-(. Dec 05 06:07:24 It'd be nice if ITT's didn't suck so much. Dec 05 06:07:26 but i'll be damned if i work on anything other than mediawiki Dec 05 06:07:31 I don't see any reason why it should. Dec 05 06:07:34 Horribly cold - 46.4F :-). Dec 05 06:07:40 <|R> GeneralAntilles : ask for one on wikia Dec 05 06:07:45 i'm a contractor by profession Dec 05 06:08:08 and my toolkit is full of tools, like screwdrivers, and power thingies Dec 05 06:08:23 i don't program and learning mediawiki was all i could do Dec 05 06:08:32 Wish I could find a decent (and cheap) USB adapter kit... Dec 05 06:09:09 in a past life i integrated big iron like Alphas with DEC UNIX and Oracle and T1's and thus, but never programming Dec 05 06:09:30 Lucky you :-) Dec 05 06:09:38 i think so :) Dec 05 06:09:52 Me too, having been on the other end :-) Dec 05 06:10:08 but now i have to run wire like monkey through walls, atytics basements and earth when the going gets tought Dec 05 06:10:20 i don't ghave a lot of guys and i still have to work for a living Dec 05 06:10:22 Good exercise :-) Dec 05 06:10:45 good thing i'm skinny :) Dec 05 06:10:51 Too true. Dec 05 06:11:16 They took me off running cable when I started using my crossbow to get across the building :). Dec 05 06:11:32 nice Dec 05 06:11:40 For some reason that made management nervous. Dec 05 06:11:50 Sure saved a LOT of time though. Dec 05 06:11:55 Haha Dec 05 06:12:04 Wimpy managers :). Dec 05 06:12:19 I really wasn't aiming for them and I didn't even have points on :). Dec 05 06:12:52 i do mostly commercial life safety and house of worship A/V now, use my old IM6 spincasting setup to run a lead line :) Dec 05 06:13:03 The more I use the n800 the more I am in love with it! With the BT keyboard it should be close to perfect. Dec 05 06:13:13 who says you can't fish and work? Dec 05 06:13:14 A mouse would be nice, but... Dec 05 06:13:46 Wish I could stream my TV card, would be nice to drag TV around with me. Dec 05 06:14:05 <|R> K`zan : i think i saw something to that effect somewhere Dec 05 06:14:12 <|R> can't remember what/where though :| Dec 05 06:14:38 Some stuff out there, but a frugging nightmare to get working. Same reason I do all my editing under wincrap :-(, its easier. Dec 05 06:14:49 video editing... Dec 05 06:15:01 <|R> :| Dec 05 06:15:08 Crappy tools, but ultimately a LOT easier to deal with :-( :-( :-(. Dec 05 06:15:12 what i REALLLY want, is to hack up a webcam so it is very low profile, mount it to the end of a gooseneck with an LED light, plug it into my n800 and have realtime video while i shove it into walls, crevices, behinf equiipment racks, etc... Dec 05 06:15:12 Someday... Dec 05 06:15:29 Nice idea! Dec 05 06:15:37 inspection camera Dec 05 06:15:40 Snaking crap through walls is a PITA at best. Dec 05 06:15:47 commercial units start at 2500 USD Dec 05 06:16:00 Some cheaper stuff at Harbor Freight IIRC> Dec 05 06:16:01 f#%@^$ that Dec 05 06:16:07 No kidding. Dec 05 06:16:13 WHere did I see those, checking. Dec 05 06:16:41 i currently use a chip cam on a gooseneck with a GoVideo Off-Road and a power supply Dec 05 06:16:44 ugly Dec 05 06:17:01 http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=95833 Dec 05 06:17:15 Still not cheap, but... Dec 05 06:17:43 ty, at <300 bones, i'll try one Dec 05 06:18:16 or: Dec 05 06:18:17 i'm used to expensive test equipment. but i make it pay for itself and then some Dec 05 06:18:19 http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=93765 Dec 05 06:18:39 THAT's what i was referring to Dec 05 06:18:39 Understand, if you can afford and need the good stuff, it pays for itself. Dec 05 06:18:44 way more than iwant Dec 05 06:18:45 K`zan: stream tv card on what platform? Dec 05 06:18:52 Linux Dec 05 06:19:00 dvb-card? Dec 05 06:19:03 fedora8 at the moment Dec 05 06:19:22 Don't think so. Have an old HD-3000 in the drawer, I think that might be. Dec 05 06:19:36 i'm US so i use a the HD HomeRun Dec 05 06:19:43 oops, typo - fedora7 Dec 05 06:20:31 First one would seem to be a better choice for cable routing?! Dec 05 06:20:40 it's possible with vlc Dec 05 06:21:03 Will have to get that card installed and see if it will coexist with the leadtek. Dec 05 06:21:10 second one is definitely for the plumbing/sewer types Dec 05 06:21:21 i'll try the first and report back Dec 05 06:21:24 Never had any luck getting that to work as an HD card :-(. Dec 05 06:21:47 Well, there was a place where we did route through drains and sewers (govenment job, of course ;-). Dec 05 06:21:54 but i tell, ya, you can't improve the sales glitz with a web-enabled inspection camera ;) Dec 05 06:22:14 ol_schoola: Hope I will have helped some :-). Dec 05 06:22:32 L Dec 05 06:23:04 come to think of it, i never did get the reall answer on whether an n800 can be a USB host adapter.... Dec 05 06:23:17 can you use a powere usb hub and the patch to make it go? Dec 05 06:23:27 I looked into a usb keyboard for it, but the bt one was cheaper :). Dec 05 06:23:44 i'm still thinki9ng webcam Dec 05 06:24:05 ol_schoola: You would need at least a power supply for it and some module that may or may not be available unless you compile your own kernel. Dec 05 06:24:19 and the Think Outside BT kboard works great! Dec 05 06:24:21 Never seen a webcam that was that small... Dec 05 06:24:38 Closest was, lemme find it... Dec 05 06:24:56 i stripped one down the other night, reall small, and i can compile kernels, been usi9ng myth with HD since .15 Dec 05 06:25:27 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826109001 Dec 05 06:25:39 i'm not sure if i want to bite off that big a piece of cake though Dec 05 06:26:04 At some point I need to figure out what it takes to build a kernel and get it working on the n800, at this point I am clueless. Dec 05 06:26:18 i'd need a vmware mamemo ubuntu device to develop/compile in, right? Dec 05 06:26:19 I suspect that will become important in time. Dec 05 06:26:34 AFAIK. Dec 05 06:27:04 I got the app development stuff installed, but I don't think I can build a custom kernel with that. Dec 05 06:27:25 My embedded linux knowledge is really! sparse. Dec 05 06:27:37 can do. just need to find the time. like i said, im no programmer so i bump into more walls and obstacles than helen keller Dec 05 06:27:49 LOL Dec 05 06:27:53 anyone know what's up with maemo.org ? Dec 05 06:28:05 It is terminally slow, patience grasshopper :) Dec 05 06:28:12 http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/modules-rx-34-2.6.21.0.tar.gz Dec 05 06:28:21 there is a heap of kernel modules in that tarball Dec 05 06:28:31 rip, cool thanks! Dec 05 06:28:31 its for OS2008 Beta for N800 Dec 05 06:28:40 im not sure if the module you are looking for is in there Dec 05 06:28:48 but doesn't hurt to have a look Dec 05 06:29:08 It sucks, K`zan. Dec 05 06:29:19 rip, it is a starting point. Not sure if those will work with the 2008 for the n800 device though. Dec 05 06:29:39 GeneralAntilles: maemo site? Yes, sigh, it does in many ways. Dec 05 06:29:40 I'm using the CIFS module from that for OS2008 Beta for the N800 Dec 05 06:30:04 works fine Dec 05 06:30:04 :) Dec 05 06:30:05 rip_ TY so much. that'll prolly save me a ton of time (and open a few doors too!) Dec 05 06:30:27 oooh ooh oho hohh! i need that too Dec 05 06:30:32 mm, quite terminally slow :) Dec 05 06:30:33 USB host should work out-of-the-box with OS2008. Dec 05 06:30:45 is there a mirror of the extras repo anywhere? Dec 05 06:30:51 that's kinda what i thought GeneralAntilles Dec 05 06:30:51 bugzilla appears to be down. Dec 05 06:31:28 been REAL busy at work since the synchronized swimming incident, first i've had to try and mess about Dec 05 06:32:01 I wrote a small page on ITT how to auto load the modules, its not exactly the best way to do it, but it works for me Dec 05 06:32:10 vlad, fwiw, it seems to work better for me early in the morning and late at night on the west coast USA. Dec 05 06:32:32 Blessed are all the developers for this :-)! Dec 05 06:32:41 but it lets me mount my 900 gig partition to the N800 :D Dec 05 06:32:44 Can anybody get to bugs.maemo.org Dec 05 06:32:54 If USB works, it might be worth the effort to port jpilot... Dec 05 06:33:06 I wish I could get NFS to work, IIRC it did under 2007. Dec 05 06:33:18 GeneralAntilles: Nope, been down for me for awhile Dec 05 06:33:21 K`zan: hmm, thanks Dec 05 06:33:29 Not more than an hour. Dec 05 06:33:35 K`zan: who supports the maemo.org site? is it pretty much just nokia, or is it mostly community supported? Dec 05 06:33:43 Nokia Dec 05 06:33:49 vlad_: Dunno as GeneralAntilles Dec 05 06:33:52 LOL Dec 05 06:34:16 Pretty sad if it is Nokia, community site I could understand. Dec 05 06:34:19 alrighty, 'night all. gotta meet the crestron programmer and the architect at 8am. apparently my services now include "translation" Dec 05 06:35:16 Night ol_schoola Dec 05 06:35:18 everyone in favor of a user supported, mediawiki-based site? Dec 05 06:35:23 Well, it would be nice if nokia moved maemo to a more stable server :p unless they are constantly playing with the serve to see if it breaks ;) Dec 05 06:35:52 Would be nice if they had a better way to list the apps available too, that is a confusing mess. Dec 05 06:36:01 if they spent one week of one person's time to shore that thing up..... Dec 05 06:36:16 Yeah, well, too busy making $$$ :) Dec 05 06:36:43 rip_, that is, apparently, the case. Dec 05 06:36:45 they are intentionally downplaying the community side because this is an experimental platform Dec 05 06:36:51 The live server is their development server. Dec 05 06:36:53 my opinion anyway Dec 05 06:36:54 As ridiculous as that sounds. Dec 05 06:36:57 Honesty don't know. Dec 05 06:37:11 I'd say maemo is doing a lot to support the community. Dec 05 06:37:15 GeneralAntilles: no way Dec 05 06:37:16 But it sure isn't reflecting what this is, sad to say. Dec 05 06:37:30 Most of the official stuff coming out of Nokia has made light of just how important it is. Dec 05 06:37:40 Hell, the only reason for the 770 was to start developing a good community. Dec 05 06:37:47 Then where is fmradio ;-) LOL Dec 05 06:37:47 Developer device codes? Dec 05 06:37:53 the mythtv-users list has half as many subscribers tyet there are at least 15 different automated build machines Dec 05 06:38:03 mythtv has been around longer Dec 05 06:38:11 and isn't dependent on people spending money. ;) Dec 05 06:38:11 true ture ture Dec 05 06:38:16 true Dec 05 06:38:23 Nokia is getting killed by motorola, they can't afford it ;-) LOL Dec 05 06:38:30 is Maemo working with OpenMoko at all? or even sharing Ideas ? Dec 05 06:38:35 just off topic Dec 05 06:38:44 money? myth users spend GOBS of money Dec 05 06:38:55 OpenMoko is using a lot of stuff from maemo Dec 05 06:39:00 Not as much going the other direction. Dec 05 06:39:09 ahh ok Dec 05 06:39:18 Yes, but they're buying much more generic parts Dec 05 06:39:20 i'm surprised that a user driven site hasn't taken over tyhe non-official nokia stuff Dec 05 06:39:25 as opposed to handheld linux devices. ;) Dec 05 06:39:27 I have a mate who owns a OpenMoko :p is all and was curious Dec 05 06:39:32 i see Dec 05 06:39:38 and thinks its Maemo stealing ideas from OpenMoko :p Dec 05 06:39:43 do tell rip_ Dec 05 06:39:55 tell more ;) Dec 05 06:39:59 he didn't really get into it :p Dec 05 06:40:04 Maemo was around BEFORE OpenMoko. :) Dec 05 06:40:08 he just reads the openmoko forums alot Dec 05 06:40:11 ;) Dec 05 06:40:18 Beyond that, this isn't Microsoft versus Apple Dec 05 06:40:22 so I honestly wouldnt have aclue what his talking about Dec 05 06:40:22 this is Open Source. :P Dec 05 06:40:26 indeed Dec 05 06:40:32 * rip_ hugs his N800 Dec 05 06:40:38 ol_schoola, how long have you been involved in the community here? :P Dec 05 06:40:42 * K`zan hugs mine too :) Dec 05 06:40:45 six weeks Dec 05 06:40:49 :P Dec 05 06:40:54 <- November 2005 Dec 05 06:41:08 mid November? Dec 05 06:41:11 yeah Dec 05 06:41:18 so I'm guessing Ubuntu mobile is based around the idea of Maemo ? since they are going to use maemo? Dec 05 06:41:43 Yeah, it's all part of the Gnome Mobile stuff. Dec 05 06:42:57 i got my n800 with 26-8 on it and instinctively flashed it up to 38-2 after a short bit of reading Dec 05 06:43:07 cool Dec 05 06:43:24 I'm like an excited ferret waiting for my n800 to come in the mail. :P Dec 05 06:43:30 Hehe Dec 05 06:43:35 'tis a wonderful device. Dec 05 06:43:44 blithe: hehe, THEN it start getting good :-) Dec 05 06:43:45 I have never seen one in person. Dec 05 06:43:50 It's too bad the haters on ITT just can't see it. Dec 05 06:44:00 I love hacking and playing with stuff. Dec 05 06:44:06 Not just using. :P Dec 05 06:44:10 I really expected to be disappointed, but that sure didn't happen. Dec 05 06:44:12 loaded it with apps galore, perused red-pill, figured out how to boot from internal mmc, tried the leaked 2008, and here i am Dec 05 06:44:14 So I figure it'd be right up my alley. Dec 05 06:44:27 Oh, I still don't know what red-pill is? Dec 05 06:44:29 I have found, people get unreasonable expectations on the Nokia tablets, and think they are something they arn't Dec 05 06:44:36 Still not sure going to 2008 was wise... Dec 05 06:44:38 all my mates thought it was an ugly phone Dec 05 06:44:39 :P Dec 05 06:44:43 LOL Dec 05 06:45:00 * rip_ repeats "It's not a phone" Dec 05 06:45:00 What is red-pill mode? Dec 05 06:45:12 blithe: i bought it for the specific purpose of hacking about\ Dec 05 06:45:28 I'm kind of anxious to wander around town and find open access points. Dec 05 06:45:38 red-pill open up the application manager to all the rest of the "hidden" programs on your tablet Dec 05 06:45:39 geez... maemo.org off the air again? Dec 05 06:45:42 I got mine mostly for an ebook reader - essentially to replace the crap Palm z-31. Dec 05 06:46:14 Fortunately with much masturbation I can run the palm emulator on it and eventually get things syn'd. Dec 05 06:46:26 red-pill isn't something you really need to worry about. Dec 05 06:46:34 the stock app mgr hides all of the system dependent apps and libraries, useful to use red-pill mode if you are trying to solve a trick dependency problem Dec 05 06:46:42 It opens up a lot of stuff in apt-get that could nicely wreck your install. ;) Dec 05 06:46:44 Honestly, I'm just excited to have a small ssh client. :P Dec 05 06:46:57 There is one, it is wonderful! Dec 05 06:47:12 It is why I got the bt keyboard :) Dec 05 06:47:19 Yah! Dec 05 06:47:19 Err that was for the xterm. Dec 05 06:47:24 works as advertised Dec 05 06:47:32 I can use this keyboard with ssh :). Dec 05 06:47:52 And my job 2 stories underground surrounded by concrete - no cell phone service. Dec 05 06:48:10 Might make wireless a bit difficult too... :-( Dec 05 06:48:13 So something where I can still make/recieve basic calls would be nice. Dec 05 06:48:19 It's blanketed in wireless. Dec 05 06:48:22 is maemo.org crapping out for everyone else of just me? :) Dec 05 06:48:24 COOL :) Dec 05 06:48:26 hmmmm, low bandwidth VHF maybe? Dec 05 06:48:28 s/of/or/ Dec 05 06:48:28 milhouse meant: is maemo.org crapping out for everyone else or just me? :) Dec 05 06:48:38 Dead as a rock here... Dec 05 06:48:40 errr... sb/VLF Dec 05 06:48:47 It's dead, milhouse. Dec 05 06:48:52 what a bag of shite... thanks Dec 05 06:48:55 Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at maemo.org. Dec 05 06:49:05 Only slightly slower than normal ;-) Dec 05 06:49:27 It's dead Jim. Dec 05 06:49:30 i'd file another comment against the "maemo too fragile" bug but even bugzilla has gone this time! Dec 05 06:50:06 yeah my squid proxy is giving me "(113) No route to host" when attempting to connect to 62.61.85.75 Dec 05 06:50:16 Gonna call it a night here folks. Everyone have a good day/night :-) Dec 05 06:50:22 Night! Dec 05 06:50:27 ^ that's for bugzilla, and for maemo.org it's 62.61 Dec 05 06:50:30 night, same as well, thanks for advice all Dec 05 06:50:32 Thanks to everyone for all the help and info, bless you all! Dec 05 06:50:33 .85.38 Dec 05 06:51:09 nite K`zan Dec 05 06:51:23 It's amazing how bad maemo.org is Dec 05 06:51:39 GeneralAntilles: I'm thinking the same Dec 05 06:51:42 how hard is it to drop in another couple servers at another host to act as a backup? :| Dec 05 06:51:55 i wonder what the excuses will be this time? Dec 05 06:52:06 do they actually post excuses ? Dec 05 06:52:25 I haven't seen any reason they go down :p unless I'm blind ;) Dec 05 06:52:28 The last one was something along the lines of "Our live server is our development server" Dec 05 06:52:34 oh Dec 05 06:52:35 lol Dec 05 06:52:37 Which is absolutely mind boggling for something like maemo Dec 05 06:52:42 why host repositorys off it then Dec 05 06:52:43 :P Dec 05 06:52:53 It REAKS of unprofessionalism. Dec 05 06:53:04 GA: yeah, pretty lame Dec 05 06:54:02 Also, their ISP has to be the most unreliable ISP on the planet, or there are a lot of elk causing mayhem with the fibre in the wilds of Finland Dec 05 06:54:25 ITT is more reliable than maemo.org Dec 05 06:54:31 Ugh . . . ITT Dec 05 06:54:47 It's been home to the trolls today. Dec 05 06:54:55 My home ADSL is more reliable than maemo.org :) Dec 05 06:55:04 Ha Dec 05 06:55:20 Shame it's only 128KB up or I'd have offered it to Quim as an alternative host :) Dec 05 06:55:35 Haha Dec 05 06:55:43 Everybody throw in their home connections to host maemo.org! Dec 05 06:55:58 Better uptime and faster speeds can be here today! Dec 05 06:56:08 lol Dec 05 06:56:26 That'd be cool if someone came up with a good way to distribute bandwidth for sites. Dec 05 06:56:32 Kind of like a torrent type model. Dec 05 06:56:36 http://xkcd.com/353/ Dec 05 06:56:41 we should have distributed hosting among ourselves... replicate maemo.org all over the world, have some sort of dynamic hosting manager to redirect requests seemlessly round-robin style... brilliant! Dec 05 06:56:41 :) Dec 05 06:56:42 So instead of donating money to sites you like, you could just donate bandwidth. Dec 05 06:56:48 It's called coralcache Dec 05 06:56:50 i'd do it Dec 05 06:57:21 Haha, mariorz. Dec 05 07:08:38 milhouse: some portion of garage.maemo.org is available from timeless.justdave.net Dec 05 07:08:58 we need you to mirror the whole of maemo.org! :) Dec 05 07:09:04 timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/source/ Dec 05 07:10:45 Seriously Dec 05 07:10:50 Why don't you just take over maemo.org? :P Dec 05 07:10:58 gets my vote! :) Dec 05 07:12:31 once the garage section is synced and maemo indexed, i'll try to get a dns record for lxr.maemo.org or mxr.maemo.org Dec 05 07:12:50 with a lot of luck, that could come tuesday of next week Dec 05 07:21:06 oh Dec 05 07:21:33 * timelyx notices that the dates in garage are from yesterday Dec 05 07:28:02 * spikebike spent a few years with a n770 Dec 05 07:28:10 the new n800 + os2008 rocks Dec 05 07:28:18 A shockingly big upgrade actually Dec 05 07:28:29 hey. is there a way to get the wlan AP MAC address on os2008 without installing extra wireless-tools? Dec 05 07:28:46 ifconfig? Dec 05 07:28:54 Yeah, N800 is an amazing improvement over the 770. Dec 05 07:29:01 oil: it's also in dmesg... Dec 05 07:29:11 any apps yet for it? sshd? Dec 05 07:29:12 milhouse: it will only give the device mac, not the ap Dec 05 07:29:20 (with os2008) Dec 05 07:29:36 milhouse: yes, I noticed it. but wondering if there is another way to fetch it Dec 05 07:29:48 spike: yes, openssh is available for 2008 - add the extras repository to app manager. unfortunately with maemo.org off the air you won't be able to update your catalogues right now Dec 05 07:30:05 with a comman.. in case there is a lot's of stuff on dmesg and the start will be written over. Dec 05 07:30:08 oil: not sure how to get it programatically Dec 05 07:30:24 milhouse any eta? Dec 05 07:30:46 spike: no idea... the maemo.org guys should be in the office now, but i've no idea what the problem is Dec 05 07:31:04 ah, thought maybe someone had heard something Dec 05 07:31:16 probably got posted on Maemo Announcements Dec 05 07:31:25 I got a type 6 8GB card for under $60 (USA), seems to help Dec 05 07:31:34 I'm not on maemo-announce 8-( Dec 05 07:31:43 milhouse: seems to be on /proc/net/arp .. but there would be others as well. Dec 05 07:33:07 oil: my n800 doesn't appear in /proc/net/arp so i don't think thats very reliable Dec 05 07:33:36 milhouse: ok. thanks. then need to find another way Dec 05 07:34:52 arp times out Dec 05 07:35:15 there's a proc/net/wireless or something Dec 05 07:35:26 if I could ssh into my n800 I'd find it for ya Dec 05 07:58:01 It was announced on maemo-devel, should be on-line at 13:00 Dec 05 07:58:22 nice, bugs is down Dec 05 07:58:23 (the server downtime that is) Dec 05 07:58:39 spikebike: timeless.justdave.net/capture-root-0.1.deb Dec 05 08:00:06 zuh: what time zone? Dec 05 08:01:57 (UTC/GMT+2). Dec 05 08:07:28 "The break will last from 09:00AM till 01:00PM (UTC/GMT+2)." Dec 05 08:07:48 just found the post myself (dated 3 Dec) - i'm a bit behind on the mailing list Dec 05 08:17:05 on my nokia 770, i'm unable to write anything to the memory card, nothing wil save Dec 05 08:22:47 corevette: may be it s mounted read only Dec 05 08:23:14 kernel does that sometimes when it thinks the filesystem is too screwed up to change it before a proper fsck Dec 05 08:25:17 <_berto_> what happened to maemo.org ? Dec 05 08:27:15 _berto_, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=104626 Dec 05 08:28:19 <_berto_> thanks Dec 05 08:29:54 corevette, you corrupted it. Dec 05 08:29:56 Format it. Dec 05 08:32:46 whats upp or rather down with maemo.org? Dec 05 08:32:57 Planned maintenance Dec 05 08:33:02 k thnx Dec 05 08:33:03 Should be back in a 2 or 3 hours Dec 05 08:34:09 thats what i figured Dec 05 08:35:35 <_berto_> they're probably changing the battery of the 770 where the web server is installed Dec 05 08:35:38 <_berto_> :) Dec 05 08:43:16 lol Dec 05 08:46:30 is maemo.org down? Dec 05 08:48:39 <_berto_> sikahakki: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=104626 Dec 05 08:50:54 _berto_: thanks, I wonder where I could get xterm now in n800? Dec 05 08:51:55 <_berto_> no idea Dec 05 08:52:23 maemo hackers? Dec 05 08:52:45 http://maemo-hackers.org/wiki/OssoXterm Dec 05 08:56:18 I wonder why nokia/the ISP doesn't have a redirection of maemo.org to a "sorry, we'll be back at $DATE"-page... Dec 05 08:57:47 Because they're all incompetent. ;) Dec 05 08:57:50 it's not really nokia Dec 05 08:58:32 would be slightly better since the mailing list archives are down at the same time so there's really no official place to see that info unless you read the list actively Dec 05 08:59:04 we could stick it into the channel topic Dec 05 08:59:08 but that'd be way too logical Dec 05 08:59:31 that would also require IRCing Dec 05 09:00:11 it'd still help some people :) Dec 05 09:00:23 joe random who isn't really following the lists nor IRCs, but is a passionate maemo-developer will be quite miffed about now... Dec 05 09:00:40 Sure, I wasn't implying it was a bad idea :) Dec 05 09:01:06 Dasajev: thanks, what about ssh do I get it in same place maemo-hackers? Dec 05 09:01:29 Just saying that if to find out a service is on maintenance break you need to go to an unofficial IRC channel or 3rd party forums... Dec 05 09:01:49 I think I won't repeat kulve's words here but... :P Dec 05 09:07:44 maemo.org seems to be available now... Dec 05 09:08:18 bugzilla not yet available Dec 05 09:10:21 Hello! Dec 05 09:11:00 is garage down for you too? Dec 05 09:11:07 garage is still down Dec 05 09:11:12 :( Dec 05 09:11:56 does anybody know if does exists zsnes on 770 ? Dec 05 09:12:07 i was looking to a gphoto2 port too... Dec 05 09:14:47 no garage here either Dec 05 09:15:04 ashura: FCE Ultra is a NES emulator for Maemo Dec 05 09:15:12 Could not connect to repostory.maemo.org:80 (62.61.85.32). - connect (113 No route to host) Dec 05 09:15:30 oil_: all servers are moving now Dec 05 09:15:55 should be back up in 1h 45min Dec 05 09:16:34 bergie: ah. ok. thanks. Dec 05 09:16:54 oil_: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=104626 Dec 05 09:17:12 milhouse, thanks, but i was looking for a snes, not nes... Dec 05 09:17:15 moving, as in physically? Dec 05 09:17:29 bon dia / good morning Dec 05 09:17:41 hallo AD-N770 Dec 05 09:17:55 Rocketman: I think so, but that is up to the ISP Dec 05 09:19:13 is ssh in some repository for os2007? Dec 05 09:19:32 sikahakki: extras Dec 05 09:20:14 maemo.org is such a rinky dink operation Dec 05 09:20:33 in maemo.org? which is down, or elswhere? Dec 05 09:21:15 Rocketman: AFAIK this is a scheduled downtime that couldn't be avoided since the ISP is moving their hosting center Dec 05 09:22:18 Then they need to span their hosting infrastructure across multiple datacenters Dec 05 09:22:49 has nobody over there heard of bigip? Dec 05 09:23:39 it is an open source project, those usually have no money for nasa style redundancy :P Dec 05 09:24:10 Rocketman: we'd love to do a bit higher-end stuff with the servers but not with current resources Dec 05 09:25:04 service outages will be even less acceptable if/when the successor to the N810 appears and targets a more mainstream audience... Dec 05 09:25:24 i doubt anybody will care about a lack of resources while they get their refund from bestbuy Dec 05 09:25:28 milhouse: yep, but then again maemo.org is not the site for that audience Dec 05 09:25:30 I honestly get the feeling that maemo.org is running on a dell desktop sitting in some guy's office Dec 05 09:25:47 bergie: it is when the repositories are off line and the application manager is crapping out Dec 05 09:26:08 Rocketman: AFAIK it is a normal low-end server Dec 05 09:26:50 maemo.org is not being given the resources it needs and as a result nobody wants to use it to host their projects Dec 05 09:27:04 but yes, we're trying to convince nokia to set up a bit move resources Dec 05 09:27:28 if you need garage projects, you can find most of them here: Dec 05 09:27:28 timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/source/ Dec 05 09:27:30 more memory for the main server (that now runs everything), and maybe separate servers for some things like memcached and static file serving Dec 05 09:27:49 some redundancy would be a good idea Dec 05 09:28:23 shees, it isn't even on a cluster? Dec 05 09:28:28 Rocketman: where are the funds for maemo coming from anyway? Dec 05 09:28:30 milhouse: that too. Midgard supports replication so it would be trivial to have multiple site instances in different hosting centers Dec 05 09:28:45 should be... :) Dec 05 09:28:45 nokia? Dec 05 09:28:46 Rocketman: nope, single server running bugzilla, midgard, gforge, ... Dec 05 09:29:02 Nokia, a multibillion dollar company Dec 05 09:29:10 wumpus: it doesn't work that way Dec 05 09:29:24 thought so Dec 05 09:29:27 lots of divisions... small allocations Dec 05 09:30:10 Well, they are shooting themselves in the foot with the dev community who add a lot of value to their products Dec 05 09:30:13 later, guys... hopefully the servers come up all right :-) Dec 05 09:30:25 thanks bergie Dec 05 09:30:48 Rocketman: you're preaching to the choir Dec 05 09:30:49 anyway, imo you can't complain too much about something being free, most of the time it *is* avaibble Dec 05 09:30:56 none of whom have any control over the pursestrings Dec 05 09:30:57 I'm meeting Quim today so I can talk to him about these things Dec 05 09:31:25 bergie: private or open? Dec 05 09:31:53 timelyx: mostly a sprint to close some remaining enhancement reqs :-) Dec 05 09:32:13 i wonder if most of them are mine :) Dec 05 09:32:32 bergie: btw, who controls DNS? is it basically ferenc? Dec 05 09:33:09 ooh Dec 05 09:33:13 i bet i can be moderately evil Dec 05 09:33:16 that could be fun Dec 05 09:34:08 timelyx: I'll be in Ruoholahti in about 40mins, and will be in Ferenc's room if you want to chat Dec 05 09:34:20 ok, i'll grab lunch and try to drop by Dec 05 09:40:54 morning Dec 05 09:41:03 morning Dec 05 09:41:11 derf: can I pick your Tremor brain Dec 05 09:41:16 dpb_: hi Dec 05 09:41:42 or tremoring brain perhaps... :) Dec 05 09:44:23 or indeed anyone with experience of tremor? Dec 05 09:45:07 ov_open_callbacks() to be exact, in the callbacks.read_func function, there are a few parameters -> void *ptr, size_t byteSize, size_t sizeToRead Dec 05 09:45:21 I'm wondering why there's both a size and length to read Dec 05 09:45:51 and what units byteSize is in Dec 05 09:50:27 looks like the standard callback is directly mapped to fread() Dec 05 09:52:54 wonder what is user passwd in os2007 couldn' change it thou Dec 05 09:53:04 kulve: you about? Dec 05 09:53:38 sikahakki: I don't think the user has a password set Dec 05 09:54:23 dpb_: but couldn't ssh into device Dec 05 09:54:37 sikahakki: ssh as root Dec 05 09:55:02 ok, with empty passwd? Dec 05 09:55:21 pass=rootme Dec 05 09:55:41 thanks Dec 05 09:57:10 np Dec 05 09:57:44 lardman: pong Dec 05 09:58:03 kulve: I was going to pick your brain about whether alloca() was implemented for Speex Dec 05 09:58:42 kulve: but since then, I've found the slab implementation I was using before, so I'll patch that in Dec 05 09:58:55 alloca()..? The speex' memory handling for c55 is quite simple.. Dec 05 09:59:34 tremor uses alloca() for short term allocations Dec 05 10:00:13 the slab code I have uses two buffers, one for normal allocations and another for these alloca ones, and then clears the whole buffer when the function returns Dec 05 10:02:26 whole alloca buffer that should read Dec 05 10:05:39 H guys :) Dec 05 10:06:50 time to go to work, bbiab Dec 05 10:25:31 ok, maemo.org seems to be up, other services still down Dec 05 10:27:19 ah, seems to have been premature, back down Dec 05 10:30:40 wonder why os2007 keeps 6000/tcp open X11 ? Dec 05 10:32:44 sikahakki: I believe that was fixed in a newer release Dec 05 10:32:55 X was started without -nolisten Dec 05 10:34:08 wumpus: ah, ok Dec 05 10:41:35 * lardman enjoys a bacon sandwich :) Dec 05 10:42:04 Mayonnaise? Dec 05 10:43:07 oh yes and lettuce and tomato in a nice granary baguette Dec 05 10:43:27 for a bargain £2 Dec 05 10:43:42 at least some things are still cheap at uni Dec 05 10:43:51 Mmm Dec 05 10:43:54 Sounds good Dec 05 10:43:59 * GeneralAntilles wants a BLT Dec 05 10:44:09 I'm tempted to go get another and enjoy it for you Dec 05 10:44:26 Ha Dec 05 10:44:40 i want one of those too Dec 05 10:44:44 (not getting another BLT though :( ) Dec 05 10:45:38 I need to buy bread Dec 05 10:45:41 and bacon Dec 05 10:45:46 and lettuce and tomato Dec 05 10:45:55 but I have the mayonnaise! Dec 05 10:57:30 I thought the media player supported mpeg 4 video? Dec 05 10:57:35 so, what is your opinions, upgrade to os2008? :) Dec 05 10:57:40 does it have to be in any particular container? Dec 05 10:57:55 * jeddy3 received n800 yesterday Dec 05 11:01:44 toresbe: it does support it Dec 05 11:02:49 toresbe: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/multimedia_architecture.html Dec 05 11:05:12 toresbe: you can use avi and 3gp Dec 05 11:05:36 not the native mp4 container, or MPEG TS? Dec 05 11:06:00 .mp4 works fine over here. Dec 05 11:06:09 There's no real reason not to use .avi, though. Dec 05 11:06:25 TS is MPEG2, no? Dec 05 11:06:42 yes Dec 05 11:06:53 Then why are you asking? :) Dec 05 11:07:02 Of COURSE it can't handle MPEG2. Dec 05 11:07:02 GeneralAntilles, mp4 what is that h.264? Dec 05 11:07:15 h.264, or mpeg4 Dec 05 11:07:27 I use avi on almost everything, though. Dec 05 11:07:44 GeneralAntilles: wtf!? that's not an "of course"! It's a de facto standard! Dec 05 11:07:54 MPEG2 . .. Dec 05 11:07:59 GeneralAntilles, speaking of which, have you tried h.264 on device? Dec 05 11:08:00 that's like saying 'Of *COURSE* that web browser can't handle HTML files.' Dec 05 11:08:03 MPEG2 is incredibly processor intensive. Dec 05 11:08:16 jeddy3, works fine for the very small stuff. Dec 05 11:08:18 What? No! Dec 05 11:08:37 You're better off with divx right now. Dec 05 11:08:39 GeneralAntilles, very small stuff? resolution wise? Dec 05 11:08:46 mpeg4 is immesurably more processor-intensive than mpeg2! Dec 05 11:09:03 Yeah, toresbe, and that's why most computers do hardware MPEG4 decoding. :\ Dec 05 11:09:25 mine doesn't Dec 05 11:09:29 MPEG2 is absolutely ungainly, anyway. Dec 05 11:09:42 Why would you want to use it as a compression format on your mobile device? Dec 05 11:09:49 * toresbe facepalms Dec 05 11:10:00 *I* don't. Millions of others do. Dec 05 11:10:08 GeneralAntilles, i tried yesterday with a sample clip in mencoder and x264 to 320x240, and it did not work...barely att all Dec 05 11:10:08 That's why I want the player to support it. Dec 05 11:10:19 In mplayer on Media player, jeddy3? Dec 05 11:10:41 toresbe, MPEG2 is for two things: DVDs and HDTV Dec 05 11:10:52 It is _not_ appropriate for a mobile device. Dec 05 11:10:53 GeneralAntilles: that's plain BS Dec 05 11:11:12 GeneralAntilles: btw, Norway is using MPEG4 for the terrestrial HDTV broadcasts. Dec 05 11:11:52 GeneralAntilles: discussing the relative merit of a de facto standard when discussing a player is pointless. The point is, it's a de facto standard. A player should be able to play it. Dec 05 11:12:13 A PMP of some sort, perhaps Dec 05 11:12:18 they have HARDWARE decoders Dec 05 11:12:43 I don't know if you recall the introduction of DVDs to the desktop Dec 05 11:12:50 but all machines back then did hardware decoding Dec 05 11:13:01 Because a 400MHz CPU just can't handle MPEG2. :) Dec 05 11:14:24 GeneralAntilles, mplayer, and also mediaplayer eventhough i knew it would not work in os 2007 :) Dec 05 11:14:38 Ah Dec 05 11:14:48 mplayer handles h.264 like shit. ;) Dec 05 11:14:59 Media player does a passable job on small stuff under OS2008. Dec 05 11:15:04 GeneralAntilles, ah, that maybe explains it :) Dec 05 11:15:19 12:12 < GeneralAntilles> they have HARDWARE decoders Dec 05 11:15:23 so does an N800 Dec 05 11:15:29 12:13 < GeneralAntilles> Because a 400MHz CPU just can't handle MPEG2. :) Dec 05 11:15:34 huh? it does, toresbe ? Dec 05 11:15:42 The IVA chip, technically Dec 05 11:15:43 not at full PAL, when it has to handle I/O as well Dec 05 11:15:45 but there's no way to use it. Dec 05 11:15:57 GeneralAntilles: I thought it was used for MP3 and MP4. Dec 05 11:15:58 GeneralAntilles, and i know h.264 is maybe a little on the upper limit for n800/n810 processor, but n810 specs says it handles it, so i thought i try :) Dec 05 11:16:04 if there is no way to use it, then you can just as well consider it not to be there Dec 05 11:16:08 The DSP is used for AUDIO decoding Dec 05 11:16:18 yes, DSP is used for autio only, it cannot access the screen Dec 05 11:16:25 Only in OS2008, jeddy3. Dec 05 11:16:26 oh, OK Dec 05 11:16:38 if it can do h.264 that would be all that i need, and very sweet :) Dec 05 11:16:51 PowerVR + IVA = win Dec 05 11:16:55 Too bad we can't use them. Dec 05 11:16:59 if that is your specific requirement, then n800 is not the good choice Dec 05 11:17:10 GeneralAntilles, ok, kindoff figured, that would have been my next bet Dec 05 11:17:38 It's there, more or less, but you're going to get better quality out of mpeg4. Dec 05 11:17:42 GeneralAntilles, but since download locations for 2008beta seems to be down right now... :P Dec 05 11:18:02 man visor for ox is pure win Dec 05 11:18:13 Hehe, recent discovery, mariorz? Dec 05 11:18:16 GeneralAntilles, youre last reply for me? Dec 05 11:18:24 I found that just after I had installed leopard. Dec 05 11:18:26 GeneralAntilles, about mpeg4 and quality Dec 05 11:18:31 yeah today, had been user the iterm widget Dec 05 11:18:35 so much better this Dec 05 11:18:38 Quality versus dropped frames. ;) Dec 05 11:19:08 Yeah, it's pretty sweet, mariorz. Gotta love that Alcor follow. Dec 05 11:19:27 yeah <· quicksilver too Dec 05 11:19:29 everyone? os2008 vs os2007, time for upgrade? :) Dec 05 11:19:56 Honestly, I'd wait for the final, jeddy3. Dec 05 11:20:00 It's less than two weeks away. Dec 05 11:20:10 btw, after reading every review about n800 and os2007 being so SLOW...i was positively surprised! Dec 05 11:20:15 Not much point in wiping everything now to just have to do it again for the final. Dec 05 11:20:33 It's called "unrealistic expectations". ;) Dec 05 11:20:44 GeneralAntilles, got it yesterday, not much to wipe :) Dec 05 11:21:13 Yeah, but you'll have to do it again for final. Dec 05 11:21:23 Just don't get yourself built up too much now. Dec 05 11:21:57 GeneralAntilles, oh thats true Dec 05 11:22:02 GeneralAntilles, how come? :) Dec 05 11:22:19 'Cause you're gonna have to nuke it in two weeks. ;) Dec 05 11:22:54 GeneralAntilles, ah :D Dec 05 11:25:58 i realise this device is not anything everyone have the need for, but being the nerd i am this could be my new life companion =), it hasn't left my side a minute since yesterday afternoon Dec 05 11:25:59 Be sure to check out maemo mapper, FBReader, and Doom if you haven't. Dec 05 11:26:15 and sign yourself up at jablet.net if you use AIM/MSN/Yahoo/ICQ/etc. Dec 05 11:26:37 jeddy3: don't even get me started. ;) Dec 05 11:27:08 Heck, my 770 even got me a date one time. :D Dec 05 11:28:24 surfing in the livingroom on evening, managing files on fileserver (xterm+ssh+midning commander ftw)+listening to local music while walking to train, streaming internet music while sitting at work...it goes on :) Dec 05 11:28:43 Have you checked out mmpc? Dec 05 11:29:18 ah, for mpd, sweet! Dec 05 11:29:30 GeneralAntilles: mmpc+mpd is awesome man, thanks for that tip Dec 05 11:29:43 Got it on all 3 of my maemo devices here. Dec 05 11:29:52 Control from any room in the apartment. :D Dec 05 11:30:23 nice! Dec 05 11:30:42 maybe GF will even be joined in front of TV here on after, win/win situation xD Dec 05 11:30:50 Just wish there were an mpd -> iTunes transceiver. Dec 05 11:31:15 GeneralAntilles: how would that work? Dec 05 11:31:20 can I set os2007 behave like "normal" linux asking username and passwd? Dec 05 11:32:23 Have mpd pass commands to iTunes using AppleScript or something. Dec 05 11:32:31 I'm sure I could set up a script Dec 05 11:32:38 but I'd rather somebody else have done it for me. ;) Dec 05 11:32:52 No, sikahakki. Dec 05 11:33:01 but like what commands? Dec 05 11:33:03 maemo isn't really designed as a multi-user system. Dec 05 11:33:13 ok Dec 05 11:33:19 Play/paus forward/back, etc. Dec 05 11:33:21 instead of using mpd to play the tines directly? Dec 05 11:33:49 Yeah Dec 05 11:33:57 So I could be listening to music at my computer Dec 05 11:34:00 used to use familiar which act pretty much like pc-linux Dec 05 11:34:04 then go into the bedroom or something Dec 05 11:34:16 it cycles to a song I don't like, and I can use the 770 there to skip Dec 05 11:34:19 why would that be bette? im happy not to have to load itunes on my ibook g4 :P Dec 05 11:34:29 Hehe Dec 05 11:34:36 I've got plenty of RAM on my G5. Dec 05 11:34:40 So iTunes is always open. ;) Dec 05 11:34:57 heh Dec 05 11:35:46 the one thing i want is a way to make mpd jive with audioscrobbler, tough i believe ther are scripts for that Dec 05 11:35:54 Yeah, there are scripts. Dec 05 11:36:10 I suppose I could download one of the OS X mpd clients and use that Dec 05 11:36:18 but it kinda lacks the Spit-Polish of iTunes. Dec 05 11:36:58 why not use the tablet for all music related controls, thats what im doing Dec 05 11:37:26 mpc for quick pass maybe Dec 05 11:37:36 pause Dec 05 11:38:21 I've got menuet and Quicksilver setup for system-wide iTunes control. Dec 05 11:38:33 So control-shift-left/right/space Dec 05 11:38:44 Is iTunes back/forward/play/pause Dec 05 11:38:58 what about setting up quicksilver for mpc instead Dec 05 11:39:03 i think ill do that Dec 05 11:39:24 control-shift-s is shuffle, and control-shift-f brings up a QS prompt with the searchable library. Dec 05 11:39:38 Wonder if there's an mpd script for growl Dec 05 11:39:48 oh yea cant beat the library on quicksilver Dec 05 11:40:17 Really makes it easy to control playback in games and whatnot. Dec 05 11:56:07 any image analysis experts here? Dec 05 11:58:10 What, http://www.hotornot.com/, lardman? :P Dec 05 11:58:46 lol, I'd forgotten about that Dec 05 11:59:07 no, more along the lines of computational difficulty of various image resizing schemes Dec 05 11:59:29 They're hard. Dec 05 11:59:31 I was wondering whether it can be done in the frequency domain, and if so, whether there are any advantages to doing so Dec 05 12:03:35 this is for a framebuffer sink, so not a completely random question Dec 05 12:05:33 I'm sure scaling in the frequency domain is possible, you might even do 'perfect' sinc interpolation Dec 05 12:07:06 Hi guys... I need to play a video within the game I make Dec 05 12:07:21 but ffmpeg isn't compatible wih the N800 Dec 05 12:07:29 mplayer? Dec 05 12:08:52 how ? the video must be read inside the game Dec 05 12:09:07 <_berto_> rothiel: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/multimedia_architecture.html Dec 05 12:09:27 <_berto_> have a look at the 'Video' section Dec 05 12:09:36 thx I check that Dec 05 12:09:43 wumpus: depends how long it takes to do though Dec 05 12:09:47 can you install OS 2007 apps on OS 2008? Dec 05 12:10:03 Depends, BuckWild. Dec 05 12:10:09 99% of the console-only stuff will work Dec 05 12:10:20 but there's been a lot of breaks in the GUI APIs Dec 05 12:10:23 So those wont work. Dec 05 12:10:24 does mplayer work? Dec 05 12:10:38 It's been updated, yes. Dec 05 12:10:44 alright, sweet Dec 05 12:10:44 maemo extras-devel Dec 05 12:10:45 thanks Dec 05 12:16:15 what's the prospects for a noscript and noflash functionality for microb? Dec 05 12:16:42 i'm using noscript/noflash on browser on PC and it's fixed most of the stability/speed problems Dec 05 12:17:17 I would guess it would be fairly straightforward to do. Dec 05 12:17:23 But it's out of my realm. Dec 05 12:17:39 Hey GeneralAntilles, nice sunglasses :) Dec 05 12:18:36 Oakley . . . pft Optometrists are the way to go. Dec 05 12:55:40 I'm suprised no one has pointed that guy trying to install libgtkmozembed to the microb building instructions .. Dec 05 12:56:33 ? Dec 05 12:57:01 On the mailing list. Dec 05 12:57:21 There are clear instructions on the microb garage website .. Which he obviously hasn't found :) Dec 05 13:00:14 * halley always feels weird when mailing list topics are discussed in IRC as if everyone is plugged in. Dec 05 13:00:55 Hehe, I don't pay any attention, either, halley. Dec 05 13:13:14 If anyone is interested: http://madabar.com/techblog/2007/12/05/exaile-for-maemo-40-os2008/ Dec 05 13:17:01 There's occasionally good stuff on the mailing list. And it's a good place to help the newbies./ Dec 05 13:20:02 meh, why is so much maemo software written in python? Dec 05 13:20:20 instead of? Dec 05 13:20:43 C Dec 05 13:20:53 and: it is? Dec 05 13:21:10 Tak, because you've not written anything in Ruby yet :P Dec 05 13:21:23 ruby-maemo has desktop plugins .. Use 'em :P Dec 05 13:21:41 think of the memory! Won't anyone think of the memory!? Dec 05 13:21:51 * vegai sobs uncontrollably. Dec 05 13:21:54 Delete Python, install Ruby Dec 05 13:22:16 Seriously though. Who do you know that's run out of memory? Dec 05 13:22:19 I love ruby, but I probably wouldn't write anything for the device in it. Dec 05 13:22:21 I have. Dec 05 13:22:46 not unless it proves to be significantly less resource-intensive in general than python is. Dec 05 13:22:50 Me too... then again, I was doing some freaky things at the time :P Dec 05 13:23:18 I've not done any benchmarks. I probably should though. Dec 05 13:23:27 yeah Dec 05 13:23:30 it? Ruby? Dec 05 13:23:40 won't anybody think of the development time! :-P Dec 05 13:24:06 developers' sanity is cheaper than users' Dec 05 13:24:31 this was just a quick port so that I had something that could play ogg vorbis with easy to make playlists. Just scratching my own itch. Dec 05 13:24:42 Pay me if you want it in C. :-P Dec 05 13:25:19 yes, where it == ruby Dec 05 13:25:36 I sit somewhere in the middle. I write ruby extensions in C for my applications when I need to optimize certain things. Dec 05 13:25:43 has anyone tried twonkymedia for upnp with canola? Dec 05 13:25:54 Or interface with a library that is already in the system. Dec 05 13:26:09 I blame developers (I'm a developer) for punishing users for their laziness Dec 05 13:26:19 I'd recommend against it, jeddy3|lunch. It's pretty much garbage. Dec 05 13:26:23 It works, but it's garbage. Dec 05 13:26:42 Yeah, there's a lot of garbage around. Dec 05 13:26:46 Developers are people, too. Dec 05 13:26:59 Speak for yourself. I'm an angry dwarf. Dec 05 13:27:11 * Tak half-orc Dec 05 13:27:49 I'm an angry dwarf that hasn't been paid yet >:( Dec 05 13:28:16 Hi ! Dec 05 13:29:22 oops, crap Dec 05 13:29:44 somebody cross-posted a question to like 10 lists, and I didn't notice when I replied-all Dec 05 13:30:41 alterego: you raise a semi-good point, though - I should package and release the rubygame vkb Dec 05 13:31:51 Well, I'm a semi-good developer :) Dec 05 13:32:17 :-P Dec 05 13:32:37 is anybody here Kimmo Jukarainen? Dec 05 13:33:24 will I get paid if thats my name ? Dec 05 13:33:27 I can pretend Dec 05 13:34:01 lol Dec 05 13:34:05 #Hah Dec 05 13:34:15 I need money too! Dec 05 13:34:19 * Tak /join #Hah Dec 05 13:34:24 I'm supposed to go Christmas shopping tomorrow :/ Dec 05 13:34:52 Anyone have instructions for getting A2DP to work on an N810? Dec 05 13:34:54 It s me ... gimme the monney :) Dec 05 13:34:56 Oh yeah, christmas shopping.. wonder when I have time for that.. Dec 05 13:34:57 I would love money ;) but I couldn't code to save my life :p so developing is out for me Dec 05 13:35:11 well... ruby's main stable implementation is known to be rather slow, even for a dynamic language Dec 05 13:35:17 I saw some instructions about editing the audio.conf file in /etc/bluetooth/ Dec 05 13:35:18 rocketman, send me your N810 and I'll write you some. Dec 05 13:35:34 python is rather wasteful as well. I wouldn't think either to be a good choice for an embedded device Dec 05 13:35:40 but it was kinda vague about what lines I was supposed to add/subtract Dec 05 13:35:44 vegai, it's not _that_ slow. But yes, it doesn't have a VM yet. Dec 05 13:35:52 Ruby 2.0 does and that's out soon :) Dec 05 13:35:59 And I've already started work on ruby2.0-maemo :) Dec 05 13:36:22 "python is rather wasteful as well" << Dec 05 13:36:22 Heretic Dec 05 13:36:25 !!! Dec 05 13:36:32 so burn me Dec 05 13:36:50 :) Dec 05 13:36:54 * Tak corroborate the heresy Dec 05 13:36:59 "Wasteful", "Embedded Device". You realise that the N8X0's are more powerful than most desktop machines 8 years ago :P Dec 05 13:37:07 http://www.imgtec.com/PowerVR/insider/toolsSDKs/KhronosOpenGLES2xSGX/ PowerVR SDK Dec 05 13:37:14 If it runs, and it runs well I don't think anyone should care how it's written. Dec 05 13:37:34 more everything than my poor old amiga Dec 05 13:37:41 and much more powerful than desktop machines 20 years ago, and yet those desktop machines managed to solve about the same problems Dec 05 13:37:55 miraculous, is it not :-P Dec 05 13:38:09 300MHz arm9 isn't really comparable to 300MHz P2 Dec 05 13:38:10 but the amiga felt snappier ;) Dec 05 13:38:15 "python is rather wasteful as well." It can be true, it's mainly depends on developers who use it. Dec 05 13:38:17 alterego: I just find it vastly amusing that we can't have a _real_ shell and _real_ utilities, but have to put up with busybox, but I have to install 8+MB of crap for a Python interpreter all for one 50-line program. Dec 05 13:38:38 derf, you don't _have_ to :P Dec 05 13:38:52 Anybody here has played around with a2dp on OS 2008? Dec 05 13:38:57 hmm, can you run vice on maemo? Dec 05 13:38:57 True. I don't _have_ to use busybox, either. Dec 05 13:39:03 that would be a nice upgrade :-P Dec 05 13:39:14 Except that when I changed user's shell, I bricked the device. Dec 05 13:39:26 isn't bash available for the N8x0 series ? Dec 05 13:39:27 derf: I agree Dec 05 13:40:15 Well, I created ruby-maemo so _I_ could hack programs for myself, in a language I like to use. I intend to advertise and show off programs I eventually get time to write. But it's up to you as a user to decide whether you want to use it. Dec 05 13:40:25 Currently Ruby-Maemo's install size is 7M Dec 05 13:40:39 and runtime memory consumption? Dec 05 13:40:46 Who knows ;) Dec 05 13:41:01 Hang on .. I'll check. Dec 05 13:41:25 gah. Dec 05 13:41:36 Well, my ruby desktop applet doesn't seem to show up. Dec 05 13:41:37 I hate cell-phones and wap and stuff. Dec 05 13:42:18 deef > alterego you have binding for ruby to make desktop applet ? Dec 05 13:42:26 arg ... i ll retry ... Dec 05 13:42:30 alterego: Installed ruby-maemo monday, btw. Not had time to play too much with it, yet. I need to learn gtk etc ;) Dec 05 13:42:32 alterego> you have binding for ruby to make desktop applet ? Dec 05 13:42:55 can anyone answer this whats the real difference between , cifs and smbfs ? Dec 05 13:43:00 Khertan, yeah. ruby-maemo 0.4.0 has support for all kinds of desktop plugins. Statusbar, home and navigator. Dec 05 13:43:03 buggerd if I can find a real answer on google Dec 05 13:43:23 RAHhhyhhhhhh !!!! Why binding for python isn't yet available !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dec 05 13:43:28 There's a bunch of minor differences. Dec 05 13:43:44 i've many applet in progress but i m waiting for the binding !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dec 05 13:43:47 smbfs is the "old and deprecated" and has a number of bugs that will never be fixed. Dec 05 13:43:48 I want it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dec 05 13:43:53 (ok i stop ...) Dec 05 13:43:57 * Tak confiscates Khertan's ! Dec 05 13:43:58 i've just noticed cifs on the N800 is disgustingly slow Dec 05 13:44:00 Defect, join the ruby-maemo camp :P Dec 05 13:44:15 (like, for example, argument parsing of -o mount options from /etc/fstab is totally broken) Dec 05 13:44:46 join the ruby-maemo camp> oh no ! my god !! Not that ! Dec 05 13:45:10 so cifs is the new implementation of smbfs ? Dec 05 13:45:24 cifs on the other hand is missing some things, like for example I've never quite been able to get character set conversions to work correctly, which is what I was trying to use the mount options for in the first place. Dec 05 13:46:01 The only good thing I've seen in Python is Canola .. Dec 05 13:46:17 alterego > pffff ... and PyGTKEditor ? :) Dec 05 13:46:18 ahh ok cheers Dec 05 13:46:36 Oh great, a syntax highlighting text editor on a touch screen device .. Very practical :P Dec 05 13:46:40 alterego > ukmp too :) Dec 05 13:46:47 I don't like ukmp Dec 05 13:46:52 I think the main difference is that with smbfs, if your connection drops, you can deadlock (unkillable) any process using files on a share, while cifs seems to handle this more gracefully. Dec 05 13:46:57 i don't like canola ;) Dec 05 13:47:05 Canola is the only python program on maemo I've actually thought was any good. Dec 05 13:47:39 Canola, i hate it, too much ressource eating ... Dec 05 13:47:47 start a webserver ... Dec 05 13:47:55 well, the new version looks sweet Dec 05 13:47:56 and an other daemon to index file Dec 05 13:47:57 PyGTKEditor is useless IMO (maybe a bit more useful with a real keyboard), UKMP and others are just very immature. Dec 05 13:48:02 of canola Dec 05 13:48:20 rip_> yes the next version seems to be great Dec 05 13:48:40 I thought python was in C? Dec 05 13:48:42 err, wtf Dec 05 13:48:46 I thought Canola was in C? Dec 05 13:48:52 I liked the look of the first version, but it did suck how it used the inbuilt media player to play movies Dec 05 13:48:57 I'm talking about the new version. Dec 05 13:49:00 ah Dec 05 13:49:00 I couldn't play squat Dec 05 13:49:16 alterego> the new version ... is it released ? Dec 05 13:49:20 No Dec 05 13:49:23 :) Dec 05 13:49:35 Is the N810? :P Dec 05 13:49:35 but s interface look beautifull Dec 05 13:49:50 Yes, it's very creative. Dec 05 13:50:28 i ve try modest ... and it s a really good embedded imap client ! Dec 05 13:50:47 * Khertan is searching for great python app ... Dec 05 13:51:01 Khertan, ha .. Good luck :P Dec 05 13:51:07 alterego > is there some application coded in ruby wich is available ? Dec 05 13:51:18 No, not really. Dec 05 13:51:31 I'm not sure anyone has released a ruby-maemo app yet. Dec 05 13:51:32 arf Dec 05 13:51:34 Not properly. Dec 05 13:51:52 alterego: I only played a little with your examples, but not much yet. Dec 05 13:51:59 GeneralAntilles, you have any other idea of a good upnp server...they don't excactly grow on trees for linux :) Dec 05 13:52:07 Veggen, yeah. That's the way to do it :) Dec 05 13:52:12 it's just... when I run the whole test set of this rails application, I feel like I'm in the 90's, compiling a huge project... Dec 05 13:52:22 aflegg's mediaserv isn't UPnP, but it works really well. Dec 05 13:52:23 Ermining ... a other good app for maemo :) Dec 05 13:52:33 GeneralAntilles, daap? Dec 05 13:52:43 heh, I have an xchat plugin in ruby, but I'm waiting for an xchat release with plugins enabled before I release it Dec 05 13:52:53 Heh Dec 05 13:53:00 No. Dec 05 13:53:10 What has rails got to do with Maemo? Dec 05 13:53:34 I ve four desktop plugin to release (IP, Weather, NetUse,DiskUse) but i m waiting for python binding ... Dec 05 13:53:38 Tak > :) Dec 05 13:54:07 * alterego steals Khertan's idea and implements it in Ruby Dec 05 13:54:12 Muahahaha Dec 05 13:54:40 I would love some actually useful desktop plugins Dec 05 13:54:44 give Geexbox's UPNP server a go Dec 05 13:54:48 its called 'Ushare' Dec 05 13:54:48 I really miss IPhome Dec 05 13:54:50 works for me Dec 05 13:55:06 only problem is it doesn't transcode Dec 05 13:55:12 what's a good name for a rubygame-based vkb? Dec 05 13:55:22 * Khertan ll use a make a new package with PyPackager which install a script in initrc 'find / -name *ruby* -exec "rm -rf $1" Dec 05 13:55:28 rgvkb ? Dec 05 13:55:29 if you could merge afleggs mediaserv and Ushare id be happy :p Dec 05 13:56:12 GeneralAntilles, aah, those utils! yes i read about them a couple of days ago also...thanks Dec 05 13:57:18 alterego > but mine we ll be better ! The user ll doesn't have to reinstall it at each reboot :) Dec 05 13:57:44 Ugh, what have I started . . . I bitch about people not starting new threads for questions that have already been asked, so now they're PMing me. :\ Dec 05 13:57:44 Khertan, erm. That wouldn't happen with mine either? Why would it? Dec 05 13:58:01 "Done any work with SDL?" "You mean as in pygame?" Dec 05 13:58:02 * Tak cries Dec 05 13:58:04 As it goes, ruby-maemo's support for desktop plugins is stable. Dec 05 13:58:24 :P Dec 05 13:58:30 alterego > it s a joke read a few line before :) Dec 05 13:58:34 GeneralAntilles, sorry for bothering you GeneralAntilles Dec 05 13:58:47 :P Dec 05 13:58:56 Oh, very funny :P Dec 05 13:59:29 sed 's/ruby/\//g' khertans_plugin.py Dec 05 13:59:44 You just try that :P Dec 05 14:00:26 rip_: mediatomb supports transcoding Dec 05 14:00:29 :) Dec 05 14:00:31 on a semi-related note, is it possible to make plugins for metalayer-crawler? Dec 05 14:00:58 Tak > i hope not ! it bugged enough ! Dec 05 14:01:13 it should be possible to use tablet-encode with it Dec 05 14:01:23 Huhuhuh ? Dec 05 14:01:30 my tablet has just reboot ? Dec 05 14:01:37 without reason ... Dec 05 14:01:51 it s the four or five times since the os2008 Dec 05 14:01:52 Khertan, you have Python installed don't you? Dec 05 14:01:54 there's always a reason... Dec 05 14:02:13 heh, I just had to flash mine out of infinite reboot again Dec 05 14:02:19 does someone know something about this ? Dec 05 14:02:40 feature Dec 05 14:02:53 I've not had any problems with it at all. Dec 05 14:03:11 (at each reboot too i ve metalayer which eat all cpu for 3 or 4 minutes and touchscreen is useless) Dec 05 14:03:29 i think there is too many mp3 file on the sd card Dec 05 14:04:11 alterego > i think it s since i ve installed ruby Dec 05 14:04:16 :) Dec 05 14:04:29 You haven't installed ruby Dec 05 14:04:40 i ve ... on 2007 :) Dec 05 14:04:46 Tak: there's a plugin for GStreamer... that's not enough? Dec 05 14:06:13 for...? Dec 05 14:06:15 hehe @ Tak Dec 05 14:07:02 maemo.org down again. always feels like *I* broke it Dec 05 14:07:13 Probably because it is you :P Dec 05 14:07:21 * alterego blames pupnik Dec 05 14:07:25 lol Dec 05 14:07:29 Khertan blames pupnik Dec 05 14:07:41 * Khertan blames pupnik Dec 05 14:07:58 (ggrrrr stupid windows touch ... grrr) Dec 05 14:08:41 * pupnik skulks to the corner Dec 05 14:09:21 * pupnik has to install winXP to recover someone else's ipod nano :( :( Dec 05 14:10:39 * Khertan think it can be done with wine ... Dec 05 14:11:06 didn't work here :/ Dec 05 14:11:07 meh - http://rafb.net/p/1dRJ3J92.html Dec 05 14:11:17 * Khertan remembering doing this for his own first generation ipod Dec 05 14:11:25 $$ is PID right? Dec 05 14:13:19 Tak: metalayer-crawler plugin Dec 05 14:13:31 someone have already see lucasr from gnome blog here ? Dec 05 14:13:39 !seen Dec 05 14:13:47 _monkey ? Dec 05 14:14:15 _monkey is dead ? Dec 05 14:15:33 finally! Dec 05 14:16:26 felipec: ah - I was thinking a way for all of maemo's media players to leverage the results of the metalayer-crawling without having 50 separate daemons all crawling the flash and indexing the contents Dec 05 14:17:14 I thought they did Dec 05 14:17:21 huh. Dec 05 14:17:47 I don't understand why anyone needs any deamons crawling anything. Dec 05 14:18:04 If I wanted my media player to know about some media, I'd tell it. Dec 05 14:18:11 Tak > i don't hope ... a daemon for crawling is a stupid idea i think Dec 05 14:18:19 Khertan: Exactly. Dec 05 14:18:25 heh...but every MP has one Dec 05 14:18:37 I blame iTunes Dec 05 14:18:37 not all Dec 05 14:18:41 Tak: I know. I don't understand why. Dec 05 14:18:51 iTune don't have Dec 05 14:19:23 there is a itune daemon for ipod ... but not for crawling Dec 05 14:20:12 ukmp doesn't use a daemon Dec 05 14:20:39 a manually launched scanner is the same thing IMO Dec 05 14:21:00 Well, no, it's not as bad. I can choose to never launch it. Dec 05 14:21:01 Tak: indeed, the media things seem to be heavily influnenced by mac players Dec 05 14:21:13 grr, how do I tell apt to quit trying to upgrade those packages? Dec 05 14:21:17 amarok doen't seem to use one too Dec 05 14:22:02 Tak > no ... it's doesn't eat cpu/mem when it's not needed Dec 05 14:22:21 heh...but it's /never/ needed Dec 05 14:22:40 _Some_ users must use it. Presumably. Dec 05 14:24:30 Heretic !!!!!! Dec 05 14:24:32 :) Dec 05 14:25:11 You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. Dec 05 14:25:20 after adding few repositories, just maemo and maemo-hackers and so, browser doesn't work anymore, collapse on startup, any idea where to get working browser for os2007? gecko, dillo, or links2 would be fine if found somewhere? Dec 05 14:25:21 inconceivable! Dec 05 14:26:49 I can't stand the crawler either, so I disabled it Dec 05 14:28:05 isn't it a game from the 90's? Heretic Dec 05 14:28:41 Yeah, Heretic and Hexen were games built on IDs engines Dec 05 14:28:49 crawlers aren't so bad - indexing files speeds up user experience - if done right Dec 05 14:28:55 with a medieval swords and magic type them Dec 05 14:29:06 Hey guys! Dec 05 14:29:07 N810 is avaible on spain online shop! Dec 05 14:29:07 has metalayer-crawler always been that slow? Dec 05 14:29:09 that "if done right" is a big caveat Dec 05 14:29:19 http://tienda.nokia.es/nokia-es/product.aspx?sku=3752621 Dec 05 14:29:23 as metalayer-crawler is definately the wrong way about it Dec 05 14:30:51 can you wager a guess what it does wrong? Dec 05 14:31:03 GNUton> great news ! Dec 05 14:31:05 Runs all the time Dec 05 14:31:20 really? Also when nothing changes? Dec 05 14:31:29 in the filesystem, I mean Dec 05 14:31:32 and can easily get caught in an infinite loop recursively indexing the filesystem Dec 05 14:31:37 RobAtWork> definitly Dec 05 14:31:45 arg wrong indent Dec 05 14:31:50 iirc they fixed the filesystem loop bug Dec 05 14:31:53 rocketman > definitly Dec 05 14:31:56 Khertan: :) Dec 05 14:32:22 and has really high CPU load when actively running Dec 05 14:32:26 Tak > but it still hang up when launched for 3 or 4 minutes Dec 05 14:32:36 it absolutely pukes on maemo mapper cache Dec 05 14:32:59 do many applications depend on it? Dec 05 14:33:23 Depend, no, but it generates the media lists for the media player Dec 05 14:33:46 GNUton are you french ? (your pseudo is pretty near of an other french argo word) Dec 05 14:33:49 12 MB of ram is an aweful waste for something that could be generated on demand Dec 05 14:34:18 Everybody see that Exaile is now available for OS 2008? Awesome! Dec 05 14:34:28 Now there is a music player I can love Dec 05 14:34:28 vegai > i don't think ... osso-media-player... Dec 05 14:34:45 Khertan: no, i'm italian :) Dec 05 14:34:49 Exaile ... don't know Dec 05 14:35:21 then it'd probably be a good idea to remove both of them Dec 05 14:35:49 rocketman: yeah, that's what launched me into my "WTF is everything in python" rant Dec 05 14:36:11 Product not found. still not available in france Dec 05 14:36:44 Yeah, it isn't exactly the fastest, but gets the job done without a lot of flash Dec 05 14:36:59 ouch the desktop version of exaile seems great Dec 05 14:37:18 well... that too is another iTunes clone Dec 05 14:37:45 vegai > but why reinvent the wheel when this wheel is near perfect ? Dec 05 14:38:11 Khertan: some sort of middle-management thing is probably the reason. Dec 05 14:38:17 or upper- Dec 05 14:38:38 where 'thing' equals 'incompetence' Dec 05 14:38:40 vegai > Yes, it s why there are so many clone with few differences ... :) Dec 05 14:38:53 goals, management, direction Dec 05 14:39:09 to content everyone :) Dec 05 14:39:23 Exaile doesn't do video, though, does it? Dec 05 14:39:44 what is exaile for? Dec 05 14:39:47 hum ... gui isn't well designed for a small device ... Dec 05 14:40:00 of course it s not the goal Dec 05 14:40:06 oh music manager Dec 05 14:40:07 http://madabar.com/techblog/2007/12/05/exaile-for-maemo-40-os2008/ Dec 05 14:40:22 I'd probably just install musicpd on the device and write my own UI Dec 05 14:40:30 unless somebody did that passably already Dec 05 14:40:49 vegai> and what ui isn't passably for u Dec 05 14:40:50 ? Dec 05 14:40:55 http://musicpd.org/ that thing Dec 05 14:40:56 If you are in need of a player that handles Ogg Vorbis, m4a and mp3 (among others) on OS2008 and has decent playlist management features and you are willing to put up with a slightly slow and fat app then Exaile for maemo may be for you. Dec 05 14:41:21 Khertan: if it is as good or better than what I can write, then it is passable :) Dec 05 14:41:34 I suppose it can be little worse, too Dec 05 14:42:01 vegai > :) Dec 05 14:42:37 vegai> but i don't know many music player ... and i like itunes style ... but it's not the perfect gui ... so i'm open ... Dec 05 14:43:01 and as you said is passable for u, i want to see what u use or like :) Dec 05 14:43:06 mpd doesn't suit all, of course Dec 05 14:43:21 Getting into dev for my nokia 810. Once sdk etc is setup, should I be able to apt-get source XXX anything that's pre-installed on the Nokia 810? There are a few stock apps I want to modify, and in once case bug fix... However a few things I'm not finding Dec 05 14:43:32 iirc there's glurp for maemo Dec 05 14:43:40 anyone using mediaserv here? Dec 05 14:43:41 Rust311: stock apps are mostly closed source Dec 05 14:43:54 jeddy3 > no sorry Dec 05 14:43:56 solmumaha: the doco for Mediatomb says transcoding is a planed feature down the track ... Dec 05 14:44:14 jeddy3 > i would say not me ... sorry Dec 05 14:44:28 anyone know if 3d hardware will be supported? Dec 05 14:44:29 Hey pupnik, are you still working on just a 770? Dec 05 14:44:55 I am, jeddy3. ;) Dec 05 14:44:55 kulve: Thanks hmm I'm looking at modifying like osso-email osso-rss-feed-reader osso-wlan ... is there a simple way to determine what's closed Dec 05 14:45:05 GeneralAntilles, hehe :) Dec 05 14:45:53 Rust311: not really. Email is closed (open source version is coming, afaik), rss is closed. What do you mean by osso-wlan? Dec 05 14:46:06 GeneralAntilles, just one question: have you had any troubles with it? ...for me it launches webserver and encoder just fine, but it refuses to serv the encoded file Dec 05 14:46:31 GeneralAntilles, clients just stall waiting for host upon asking for a videofile Dec 05 14:46:59 kulve, rss is not closed, there's the source.. but i've not tried to compile it Dec 05 14:47:12 I'd blame mencoder. Dec 05 14:47:14 But, dunno. Dec 05 14:47:19 sKaBoy: ah, ok. My mistake then Dec 05 14:47:19 I've had all sorts of problems Dec 05 14:47:26 heh, all the complaining about the rss app, and it's not closed, AND nobody's fixed it? Dec 05 14:47:31 but they're all related to the fact that there's no decent mencoder binaries for OS X out there. Dec 05 14:47:34 * Tak tsks Dec 05 14:47:43 kulve: Um I think there's an osso-wlan package. I want to improve the connection applet some wifi improvements , and also add packet injection patch to the wifi drivers Dec 05 14:47:56 GeneralAntilles, mencoder seems to be fine, i thinks it boils down to something else...but thanks anyway Dec 05 14:48:36 Did you point it to tablet-encode? Dec 05 14:48:55 Are we certain mencoder is starting fine? Dec 05 14:49:06 Rust311: sorry, I don't know the details of those. The wifi driver is open, firmware is closed. Dec 05 14:49:34 kulve: okay thanks Dec 05 14:49:40 GeneralAntilles > /whois kulve Dec 05 14:49:43 oups Dec 05 14:50:01 make sure tablet-encode is in your path, Dec 05 14:50:13 GeneralAntilles, yes it launches i can see that if i keep the shell that spawned mediaserv process...it encodes the whole file and then exits Dec 05 14:50:13 and executable with chmod +x Dec 05 14:50:18 mines sitting in /usr/bin/ Dec 05 14:50:22 Khertan: I'm me! Dec 05 14:50:47 I'll just keep trying to pull things down with apt, and try to see if all the source is there or if it's an interface or some such. Just be handy if there was a list of open/closed sources Dec 05 14:50:49 kulve: are you sure? Dec 05 14:50:50 tablet-encode IS launched, first problem was that i did not have it in path, but now it launches Dec 05 14:51:08 dpb_: well, I'm never sure about anything.. Dec 05 14:51:28 kulve > yes but your pseudo mean something ... so i ve look at your host ... :) Dec 05 14:51:59 but you aren't the other kulve i know :) Dec 05 14:52:22 Khertan: the other kulve..? Dec 05 14:52:45 omg, kulve has a clone? Dec 05 14:52:52 so it seems Dec 05 14:54:55 yes an other one which play on the same enemy territory server as me :) Dec 05 14:55:32 hmm.. I have same account in etqw and in irc.. Dec 05 14:56:05 anyone else noticed really low max volume in apps on n810? Dec 05 14:56:26 it's not etqw ... but et the first ! Dec 05 14:56:32 Khertan: oh Dec 05 14:56:35 not just a function of speakers, using headphones too Dec 05 14:56:42 Rocketman: built-in apps, or 3rd party? Dec 05 14:56:57 at least kilikali is unable to increase the volume in 2008 Dec 05 14:56:57 Rocketman: have you maxxed both volume controls? Dec 05 14:57:01 oh ffs. Dec 05 14:57:25 Is there a list of Media Player's supported video and audio codecs and container formats somewhere? Dec 05 14:57:37 nokia.com/n800 Dec 05 14:57:38 3rd party Dec 05 14:57:51 Rocketman: yep, it seems that some APIs has changed.. Dec 05 14:58:32 I've noticed it in a few different apps Dec 05 15:02:13 Rocketman: I have 810 havent' found that at all, but all i've used is stock apps Dec 05 15:05:21 this *should* be supported. Wonder why it won't work. Maybe VLC is emitting wrongness. Dec 05 15:06:09 Everybody see that Exaile is now available for OS 2008? Awesome! Dec 05 15:06:13 where ? Dec 05 15:06:31 check the planet Dec 05 15:06:39 links there Dec 05 15:06:51 Exaile? whatis? Dec 05 15:07:28 audio player Dec 05 15:08:03 Anyone know how to adjust keyboard backlikght timeout? Dec 05 15:09:49 Rocketman: it's not in control panel? Dec 05 15:10:10 Rust311: it is, at least in OS2007 Dec 05 15:10:37 there is no backlit keyboard on N800 Dec 05 15:12:18 nothing in control panel that I have seen Dec 05 15:13:00 oh, my fault. I thought about screen timeout. Dec 05 15:13:02 sorry Dec 05 15:14:33 Rocketman: Nothing I've seen either Dec 05 15:14:47 Rocketman: There may be a config in /etc somewhere, I started poking around but didn't care enough to keep looking Dec 05 15:15:27 Rocketman: I think it's in display Dec 05 15:16:00 hey dragorn, any updated version of kismet? I have one from Bora that works well enough, but I know there have been changes since then Dec 05 15:16:26 Rust, not in display control panel Dec 05 15:16:27 Rocketman: Now that I've got an 810 i'm inspired again to look at it more, so while don't hold your breath I'll see what I can do Dec 05 15:16:48 Rocketman: It's also interesting now that the 800/810 should have host mode, so a usb NIC is plausible Dec 05 15:16:50 Rocketman: really... control panel->display->"switch off display" "display stays lit" though i haven't actually changed on mine Dec 05 15:17:15 yeah, could always plug in a better radio Dec 05 15:17:20 or a wispy Dec 05 15:17:40 Rocketman: As soon as the cables get here today I'll be looking at wispy support Dec 05 15:17:54 hopefully os2008 has gtk+cairo, otherwise it'll take some hacking Dec 05 15:17:55 I soo want the new version, but $400 for a dongle...sheeesh Dec 05 15:18:11 yes to cairo Dec 05 15:18:29 Rocketman: I saw it had libcairo, does it have a new enough gtk that the cairo functions are built in? Dec 05 15:18:31 ooh, mediaserv works just fine if i ask for file, let it start encoding, and ask for file AGAIN :) Dec 05 15:19:21 and it works REALLY good Dec 05 15:19:49 The main purpose of OS 2008 from what I have heard was to bring it up to date with GTK and support everything upstream Dec 05 15:20:16 Rocketman: Nice. Dec 05 15:20:26 Rocketman: Well, that'll make porting the new spectools code very easy, i think. Dec 05 15:21:12 Applications seem to be getting ported much more quickly now that it is running much closer to a standard desktop linux stack Dec 05 15:21:34 2007/6 weren't BAD, but I'd written code w/ the assumption of gtk having cairo surfaces Dec 05 15:21:37 which made it... difficult. Dec 05 15:22:01 I had it running on the 770 at one point w/ the original wispy-tools code, which other than some font bugs worked, but those were such a pain to hack there wasn't any demand for it Dec 05 15:22:06 I really should solder a sma onto my wispy one of these days so I can attach a directional Dec 05 15:22:21 Rocketman: are you still working on just a 770? << yes Dec 05 15:23:02 Pupnik, I might have one to spare, but I should offer it to my brother first Dec 05 15:23:28 thanks but i'm getting a n810 when they ship to germany :) Dec 05 15:23:35 but I might be willing to donate it to the cause if it keeps you porting games Dec 05 15:24:00 Heh Dec 05 15:24:00 ah, did you get a developer discount code? Dec 05 15:24:14 yes. i'll be hopefully getting back in the game soon. Dec 05 15:24:17 Did he apply? ;) Dec 05 15:24:34 cool Dec 05 15:24:34 10 days .. Dec 05 15:24:57 i got some kind of neat pics up on my site, if you're bored Dec 05 15:25:42 Mmmm .. Cheese muffins Dec 05 15:25:53 blt is still better ;) Dec 05 15:26:01 though I could be tempted.... Dec 05 15:26:03 blt muffins? Dec 05 15:26:20 bacon and cheese, best of both worlds Dec 05 15:26:24 :) Dec 05 15:26:36 Bacon and soft cheese, like Brie is nice. Dec 05 15:26:44 we'd better not forget beer in the list Dec 05 15:26:48 They go together really well in an omlette. Dec 05 15:27:16 * lardman feeling distracted Dec 05 15:27:19 Hah Dec 05 15:27:39 Well, I have to more graphical effects to write and this module is done :) Dec 05 15:27:46 reflection and motion blur. Dec 05 15:28:05 What kind of power can the N800 put out for USB? Dec 05 15:28:10 How many device really need injection? Dec 05 15:28:10 alterego: what's this for? Dec 05 15:28:16 GeneralAntilles, 3v 200ma Dec 05 15:28:36 lardman, it's just a graphical toolbox for dynamic graphics in web applications. Dec 05 15:29:06 ah, I need to docs about implementing scaling Dec 05 15:29:15 s/to/some Dec 05 15:29:23 hmm, that was quite a typo on my part Dec 05 15:29:24 I try to stay away from "The GIMP"/"Photoshop" as much as I can. So I've been writing little methods to do the silly "Web" effects. Dec 05 15:30:54 I think I'll stop today on that strange effect they have a lot of at apple. Where there are two 3D slides on one side and another two on the other side, then one flat in the center. Dec 05 15:31:06 Not sure what you call that effect .. Dec 05 15:32:02 http://www.homemachine.net/ftp/vmware/pixops-2.0.tar.gz lardman, some scaling stuff Dec 05 15:32:39 not sure of your context for 'scaling' tho Dec 05 15:33:26 * Tak <3 rake Dec 05 15:33:33 :) Dec 05 15:34:19 the albumview? it's nice. all their ui stuff is real purty Dec 05 15:34:25 doesn't kagu do that now? Dec 05 15:35:56 when i try to put stuff on my nokia 770 memory card, it never saves on it Dec 05 15:37:00 does anyone know if OS2008 has V4L2 installed by default ? Dec 05 15:38:07 I can't see it listed as a package Dec 05 15:42:43 anyone know off the top of their head where the Kernel stuff is kept ? Dec 05 15:43:05 im trying to compile a kernel module but the build dir in the scratch box doesn't exist Dec 05 15:43:09 /lib/modules/$(KERNEL_VERSION)/build Dec 05 15:43:11 for eg. Dec 05 15:43:33 pupnik: looks good, thanks Dec 05 15:43:59 alterego: that'd be 5v 200ma, wouldn't it? Usb is always 5v as far as I know. Dec 05 15:44:19 dragorn, even OTG? Dec 05 15:44:24 rip_: I thought the v4l stuff was all in the kernel Dec 05 15:44:30 GeneralAntilles: Enough for a kb/mouse, lower power wireless nic (none of those 500mW USB things) Dec 05 15:44:31 dragorn, baring in mind that the N800 power supply is 3.7V .. Dec 05 15:44:48 alterego: as far as I know it has to be 5v Dec 05 15:44:49 yeah I think it is, just wasn't sure as i couldn't see any packages listed Dec 05 15:44:50 cheers Dec 05 15:44:51 ma .. Not mw ;) Dec 05 15:44:57 dragorn, well it's not :P Dec 05 15:45:34 alterego: "According to the OTG Supplement Rev 1.0, an OTG A-device must provide at least 8mA between 4.4V and 5.25V to power VBUS." Dec 05 15:46:01 Wonderful. Now you know why host mode isn't enabled by default. Dec 05 15:46:15 And you also know that it's not standards complaint. Dec 05 15:46:18 ~compliant .. Dec 05 15:46:31 yeah, kagu does album view Dec 05 15:46:54 Or they step up the voltage and drain the battery a bit faster, since I'm fairly sure normal usb devices plugged into otg won't operate properly on 3.3V. I don't know where my multimeter is since packing things up to check however. Dec 05 15:47:38 Well, I think a lot of things will .. Dec 05 15:47:49 Regardless, that's what the N8X0's give out. Dec 05 15:47:58 and since I (and others) have normal usb stuff operating fine on the N800 port in host mode doing self-power, I'm going to say theres something else going on to provide standard power levels, but if you slap a multimeter on it and prove me wrong I won't complain. Dec 05 15:48:08 where on earth is the kernel source kept in OS2008 ? Dec 05 15:48:20 rip_ download it Dec 05 15:48:23 No dragorn, there isn't. Dec 05 15:48:31 so its not in the apt-get for scratchbox ? Dec 05 15:48:33 rip_ apt-cache search *kernel* Dec 05 15:48:37 Your peripherals are obviously just working off of what they're given. Dec 05 15:49:11 rip_: yes it's there, I apt-got it at the weekend Dec 05 15:49:40 hola Dec 05 15:50:37 lardman: I can only see the Kernel headers Dec 05 15:53:17 http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/source/r/rx-34-kernel/ Dec 05 15:53:44 ah, apt-get source rx-34-kernel Dec 05 15:54:00 I was pretty sure it installed the kernel-headers to /usr/src/ so I could compile against it Dec 05 15:54:05 ahh ok Dec 05 15:54:10 Ill give it a shot Dec 05 15:54:11 cheers Dec 05 15:54:14 np Dec 05 15:54:27 lardman, kernel-source-rx-34 is better candidate Dec 05 15:54:49 But build-depping rx-34-kernel will pull it in Dec 05 15:55:29 inz: ok, I'm on a WinXP box atm so can't test. Apologies. Dec 05 15:57:15 lardman, no worries -- I just rebuilt the kernel an hour ago or so ;) Dec 05 15:57:50 I rebuilt it over the weekend to enable dsp debbugging, and then realised they'd already enabled it - thanks Nokia :) Dec 05 15:58:24 Hah Dec 05 15:59:21 My dynamic reflection effect is coming along nicely :) Dec 05 16:00:34 does Kagu use SDL? Dec 05 16:01:10 I'm pretty sure it does yes. Dec 05 16:01:14 just wondering if it would benefit from opengl accel if it ever works Dec 05 16:02:34 and yes, opengl (software only mind you) support added to SDL: http://unrealvoodoo.org/hiteck/blog/category/maemo/ Dec 05 16:03:29 Mesa? Dec 05 16:04:04 yeah, kagu uses sdl via pygame Dec 05 16:06:14 What is the name of the project to make a completely open-source ITOS? Dec 05 16:06:32 Angstrom? Poky? Dec 05 16:06:44 those are hildon-based? Dec 05 16:07:41 I mean, could someone run ITOS apps on a fully open-source OS? Dec 05 16:07:47 i'll look ty Dec 05 16:08:22 maemona Dec 05 16:10:25 the hildon stuff was in Angstrom a while back too, not sure if it's current though Dec 05 16:14:23 i'm hoping that the omap3430 gaming portable coming out will use ITOS or an open-source variant Dec 05 16:14:29 that way we'll get the synergy of development Dec 05 16:17:45 and it'll go faster too ;) Dec 05 16:18:34 pupnik: link? Dec 05 16:19:25 http://www.gp32x.com/board/index.php?s=f7bcc410f16568adde465108a12d3594&showtopic=38155 Dec 05 16:20:06 but if there's no bootable open-source variant of maemo Dec 05 16:20:17 (angstrom, poky look to be based on openembedded) Dec 05 16:20:22 that idea is pretty much dead Dec 05 16:21:35 alterego: Just slapped a MM on one Dec 05 16:21:43 alterego: credit where credit is due, it's 3.3v. I'm very surprised. Dec 05 16:25:14 ugh Dec 05 16:25:26 the Linux kernel makes my head hurt at the best of days Dec 05 16:25:47 let alone working out how to compile against Chinooks Kernel-headers :\ Dec 05 16:25:54 its almost 2am Dec 05 16:25:57 I better crash I guess Dec 05 16:27:35 rip_: what are you compiling? Dec 05 16:28:18 rip_: actually go to bed and tell us tomorrow Dec 05 16:28:50 well, I was going to try and compile Linux-uvc for Chinook Dec 05 16:28:58 mainly to see if it would work Dec 05 16:29:26 http://linux-uvc.berlios.de Dec 05 16:30:51 bye Dec 05 16:32:34 rip_: do you have a device you want to use? Dec 05 16:33:08 Yeah its a UVC camera Dec 05 16:33:26 I was going to try build the module and grab an adapter for it tomorrow Dec 05 16:33:33 no idea if it would work but its worth a try Dec 05 16:33:34 :P Dec 05 16:33:35 zerojay: hey, there? Dec 05 16:33:49 I thought the module building was a case of setting a path as a switch for configure Dec 05 16:34:03 though I've not built any modules for a long time, so may be wrong Dec 05 16:34:10 uvc-linux doesn't come with a configure script Dec 05 16:34:21 it just expects it to be in the same place on all 2.6 linux kernel OS's Dec 05 16:34:34 which is kinda frustrating Dec 05 16:35:47 http://koltsoff.com/pub/hello-n800/ Dec 05 16:36:15 hmm, looks like that just builds built-in ones though Dec 05 16:36:29 yeah thats for OS2007 Dec 05 16:36:31 already read that Dec 05 16:36:43 and all the packages are slightly different :p Dec 05 16:37:10 I don't know then sorry, good luck anyway Dec 05 16:37:30 lol cheers Dec 05 16:37:33 http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/ beautiful new ukmp cover view Dec 05 16:37:59 I can't find anything official either on setting up the kernel to build anything for chinook Dec 05 16:38:13 thats where OpenWRT is good :) I love the build system for that Dec 05 16:38:18 * rip_ hugs [mbm] Dec 05 16:38:26 rip_: setting up to build built-in modules is easy enough Dec 05 16:38:37 rip_: i.e. enable them in .config Dec 05 16:39:08 rip_: but for you, building from an external source tarball, you probably need to alter the Makefile to point to the kernel source, or something like that Dec 05 16:39:23 yeah ive tried pointing it at the kernel source Dec 05 16:39:40 pupnik: I'd still lke to see iPhone'esque covers :) Dec 05 16:39:43 it complains that everything is undefined Dec 05 16:40:00 rip_: does it say it's missing some or other header? Dec 05 16:40:01 so I think I pointed it at the wrong spot Dec 05 16:40:06 yep Dec 05 16:40:35 sh-2.05b# make Dec 05 16:40:35 Building USB Video Class driver... Dec 05 16:40:35 make[1]: Entering directory `/targets/CHINOOK_ARMEL/usr/src/kernel-source-rx-34-2.6.21.0' Dec 05 16:40:35 Building modules, stage 2. Dec 05 16:40:35 MODPOST 1 modules Dec 05 16:40:36 WARNING: "__kmalloc" [/home/rip/trunk/uvcvideo.ko] undefined! Dec 05 16:40:40 thats pretty much all it says Dec 05 16:40:46 but lists everything its trying to compile Dec 05 16:40:55 and bombs out with an error Dec 05 16:41:08 lardman: yeah well ... you know... python and all, and no opengl. I'm hoping we'll get the opengl and some native apps supporting nice scaling/transposition - no idea how that could integrate into gtk/hildon tho! Dec 05 16:41:23 the makefile wants /usr/libs/kernelname/build Dec 05 16:41:37 doesn't matter Ill have a look at it tomorrow Dec 05 16:41:41 cheers anyway :) Dec 05 16:41:43 nite all Dec 05 16:41:46 rip_: night Dec 05 16:42:12 home time for me, see you all later Dec 05 17:03:18 rip_: it's in svn Dec 05 17:08:12 * timeless looks around Dec 05 17:08:39 * Tak cast Improved Invisibility Dec 05 17:09:55 * mgedmin gropes around Dec 05 17:10:59 so, does someone actually have the rss reader source outside of nokia? :) Dec 05 17:11:05 hmm, on a standard ruby install, do I need to do something special to pick up things installed into the site path? Dec 05 17:11:42 <|R> Anyone know if the device lock password is reseted when flashed? I cannot use 12345 (got it from eBay eh ...) Dec 05 17:11:56 no Dec 05 17:12:09 otherwise you could steal someone's locked device Dec 05 17:12:14 <|R> FUCK Dec 05 17:12:15 and just reflash it Dec 05 17:12:21 contact the ebayer Dec 05 17:12:32 (this is the official position) Dec 05 17:14:12 <|R> timeless : i had it for a while and it works well Dec 05 17:14:32 <|R> i just realised from another friend who got it from a store, that i couldn't change mine (never used the lock option) Dec 05 17:15:26 <|R> So when locked the device, even if force rebooted, is going to ask for a password ? Dec 05 17:15:35 it should Dec 05 17:15:57 <|R> it's a good thing it ask for the pass _when_ locking otherwised i would have been locked out already Dec 05 17:16:39 yes Dec 05 17:16:46 i just forced a reboot and now it wants my lock code Dec 05 17:16:56 <|R> ok Dec 05 17:16:59 <|R> argh :( Dec 05 17:17:03 |R you scared me then, i had to quickly check mine was still set to default :p Dec 05 17:17:56 <|R> and it can be up to 10 chars, it's no like i could bruteforce it by hand like a 3-4 char :( Dec 05 17:18:01 <|R> (even that would be long...) Dec 05 17:18:15 contact the vendor Dec 05 17:18:22 <|R> just did Dec 05 17:19:16 <|R> i guess it's a good feature, just not in my case hehe Dec 05 17:20:17 <|R> how is this special password memory dealt with ? Dec 05 17:20:20 <|R> it's a TPM chip ? Dec 05 17:20:36 <|R> otherwise i could try and overwrite it somewhere in memory... Dec 05 17:23:13 |R just open the firmware .bin file in notepad and do a replace on "12345" Dec 05 17:23:58 <|R> the flash image you use to upgrade OS ? timeless just said it's not in there ? Dec 05 17:24:08 using notepad as hex editor? that doesn't sound a good idea Dec 05 17:24:10 :p Dec 05 17:24:43 <|R> wumpus indeed hehe Dec 05 17:26:14 anyway, it got to be easier to just contact the seller Dec 05 17:26:53 <|R> ok i had kept the email that was configured in when i got it, i'm gonna write to that person too Dec 05 17:26:57 * |R crosses fingers :( Dec 05 17:29:06 wumpus: edit.com is a reasonable hex editor. | Dec 05 17:32:09 heh, I came across my manager editing some C code in ed the other day Dec 05 17:34:33 I prefer vim -b Dec 05 17:34:45 It handles multi-gigabyte files. Dec 05 17:34:46 yeah, that's worked well for me Dec 05 17:37:55 anybody interested in testing out rubygame vkb package? Dec 05 17:39:22 * Tak prepares for the mindblowing rush of feedback Dec 05 17:42:43 derf: vim includes a hex edit too? Dec 05 17:44:02 hm, vim -b doesn't do anything interesting here Dec 05 17:44:40 -b just means it won't do silly things like add \n to the last line or attempt to do multi-byte character conversion. Dec 05 17:45:20 ah, right Dec 05 17:45:57 <|R> wumpus you can use xxd in vim :) Dec 05 17:46:19 <|R> timeless : the manual says nokia will do a software reload to reset the password, urhm :| Dec 05 17:46:57 |r: technically it is possible Dec 05 17:46:59 oh what fun.. reflashed again. sigh Dec 05 17:47:13 but the idea is that they'll make sure you don't get the other user's data Dec 05 17:47:36 uh? he can code? and use ed? how did he become manager? Dec 05 17:47:37 in practice, they're wiping the contents of a different flash region Dec 05 17:47:57 <|R> that's fine, there is none already, but do you think they do anything special? it's a flasher option? Dec 05 17:48:35 i'd rather not think about it, i probably know enough fo the details but it's probably best if i silence myself Dec 05 17:48:35 <|R> i'm gonna write to the OxFFF guy, maybe he knows Dec 05 17:48:48 <|R> oh, working for nokia? ;) Dec 05 17:49:02 oh yeah, wasn't that stated somewhere? Dec 05 17:49:28 <|R> hehe no :) Dec 05 17:49:49 <|R> But i don't want to send the device in for 1+ month just for that :| Dec 05 17:51:02 I sure hope the N810 is not as sensitive as the 770 to go to boot-loop after low battery poweroff Dec 05 17:51:04 <|R> ok, i'm just gona grep de flash block for random strings.. Dec 05 17:51:09 <|R> s/de/the Dec 05 17:51:11 <|R> damn french :P Dec 05 17:52:22 hmm...is that what prompts the boot-loop? Dec 05 17:53:11 Tak: for me at least Dec 05 18:00:52 Nice, finished reflections :) Dec 05 18:05:05 anyone know anything about tslib Dec 05 18:05:35 is it the only way i can modify mouse behaviour Dec 05 18:10:19 SmackPotat, best ask on the mailing list. Dec 05 18:11:27 cool thanks Dec 05 18:12:49 * konttori just met canola developers today Dec 05 18:13:12 konttori: gustavo ? Dec 05 18:13:14 =) Dec 05 18:13:18 yeah Dec 05 18:13:19 probably Dec 05 18:13:28 * Ryback_ haven't met konttori Dec 05 18:13:28 handful is not a developer Dec 05 18:13:35 * MoRpHeUz neither Dec 05 18:13:36 :-D Dec 05 18:13:40 =) Dec 05 18:13:41 well, guys behind canola Dec 05 18:13:46 yep, nice Dec 05 18:14:00 anyway, saw canola. Pretty amazing stuff. I gotta say. Dec 05 18:14:11 I'm really looking forward to 12th Dec 05 18:14:20 ;) Dec 05 18:14:34 handful is not a developer Dec 05 18:14:34 * MoRpHeUz neither Dec 05 18:14:35 did you mean 31th ? Dec 05 18:14:41 the image viewer is spectacular Dec 05 18:14:49 kenne: =P Dec 05 18:14:52 MoRpHeUz, what are you then? Dec 05 18:15:20 kenne: you know I can just get up and kick you, don't you ? =P Dec 05 18:15:26 haha Dec 05 18:15:29 haha... if you could reach Dec 05 18:15:29 12th is when they release beta Dec 05 18:16:03 konttori: we hope so...if kenne stops talking and fixes his bugs.. =P Dec 05 18:16:53 MoRpHeUz, actually, yesterday I watched a movie called Bug Dec 05 18:17:02 konttori: really ??? I don't believe this Dec 05 18:17:13 http://openbossa.indt.org.br/canola2/ Dec 05 18:17:27 heheh Dec 05 18:17:30 konttori: this is bullshit Dec 05 18:18:09 I also can't wait... I guess there will be some partying afterward :) Dec 05 18:18:20 kenne: you pay! =) Dec 05 18:18:34 kekek... ok ok... I will buy you a beer if you will drink it Dec 05 18:18:41 hahaha Dec 05 18:18:48 chenca: what is? Dec 05 18:19:18 konttori: he is just making fun...he's one of canola's developers too =P Dec 05 18:19:21 canola 2 was even better live than I had hoped. Dec 05 18:19:45 ahh.. cool. Kudos... big kudos for you guys for making such a great program in so little time Dec 05 18:19:50 konttori: good to know you liked it =) and the version that they have with them is a little bit bugged... Dec 05 18:19:54 konttori, good to hear that, thanks Dec 05 18:19:56 konttori: I know some guys that are "really working" on new version of Canola Dec 05 18:20:11 yeah, it was crashing quite a lot, but hey, I'm used to seeing buggy software Dec 05 18:20:33 konttori, you are our first user review :) Dec 05 18:20:49 I'm also so very happy that I don't have to maintain ukmp anymore, because you guys have made it obsolete. good stuff! Dec 05 18:21:36 by the way, did you guys figure out a good way to keep the python code closed? Dec 05 18:21:52 konttori: haha, thanks! =) Dec 05 18:22:03 konttori: This is confidential Dec 05 18:22:11 true Dec 05 18:23:06 meh, canola2 is going to be closed-source as well? Dec 05 18:23:15 Why? Dec 05 18:23:37 http://rafb.net/p/W3TcqW74.html - comments? Dec 05 18:26:19 Maemo is back up I see! Still no fmradio :-(. Dec 05 18:26:38 why would fmradio relate? Dec 05 18:31:50 konttori: hey, btw....aren't you interested in developing new plugins for canola 2.0 ? =) Dec 05 18:32:04 could be if I had the time. Dec 05 18:32:16 I haven't coded even one line at nokia. Dec 05 18:32:39 but I suppose I will have a little bit more time in january on my free time Dec 05 18:32:56 konttori: great ;-) Dec 05 18:34:01 but yeah, when I get a good idea for a plugin, I'm pretty sure I'll dig into doing it. Dec 05 18:34:16 <|R> timeless : ok recovered it :D Dec 05 18:37:53 from vendor? Dec 05 18:38:08 <|R> timeless : no, from device Dec 05 18:38:19 timeless, did you see my comment on #1767? Dec 05 18:38:27 i think so Dec 05 18:38:38 the only think i did was assign it to that guy because he posted to maemo-devel Dec 05 18:38:42 and therefore irritated me :) Dec 05 18:39:03 my general view of bugzilla is that if people have an opinion, they deserve to own bugs :) Dec 05 18:39:14 :) Dec 05 18:39:36 I think Kalle works on lower level stuff tho... Dec 05 18:39:49 kalle expressed an opinion in this area Dec 05 18:39:52 kalle suffers :) Dec 05 18:40:30 in case people care, i own lots of bugs Dec 05 18:40:33 and i suffer quite enough Dec 05 18:40:51 people are welcome to try to make me suffer more, but it's unlikely they'll succeed in any way that they would logically choose to try Dec 05 18:41:20 I own none -- buahahaha Dec 05 18:41:23 so...I take it there are no comments Dec 05 18:41:26 But then again, I have no opinions ;) Dec 05 18:42:16 Hi guys Dec 05 18:42:33 hi have just installed kde on my n800 running os2008 Dec 05 18:42:48 but , how can lunch it right now ? Dec 05 18:42:56 tak: sorry, i'm trying to multitask, what was worth commenting? Dec 05 18:43:01 where is the configuration file ? Dec 05 18:43:08 for lunch kde ? Dec 05 18:43:16 just http://rafb.net/p/W3TcqW74.html Dec 05 18:43:20 * timeless doesn't think kde is edible Dec 05 18:43:38 tak: looks kinda short Dec 05 18:43:46 :( Dec 05 18:43:52 could u help me ? Dec 05 18:44:03 I need to tell at Xserver for start it Dec 05 18:44:51 heh Dec 05 18:45:10 tak: does it do soemthing? :) Dec 05 18:46:15 yeah, it's sample usage code for my rubygame-based vkb Dec 05 18:46:58 it sets up the vkb, displays it, and prints out the "typed" text to stdout when the vkb is closed Dec 05 18:47:42 tak: does the vkb invalidate the stuff behind it? Dec 05 18:47:45 or reflow or what? Dec 05 18:48:40 [Bug 406981] New: Crashes, crashes, and crashes! Dec 05 18:48:42 it doesn't invalidate the stuff behind it Dec 05 18:48:51 I flashed os2008 to n800, what repositories I now should use n800 or n810? Dec 05 18:48:52 unless I misunderstand what you're asking Dec 05 18:49:35 sikahakki: see topic /it/ for a list Dec 05 18:50:37 OS2008 repositories, sikahakki. Dec 05 18:53:21 os2008 out for N800? Dec 05 18:54:35 oh, just a beta Dec 05 18:55:55 timeless: thanks Dec 05 19:02:38 how is the beta? will i be happy to upgrade or is it crashy and missing many apps? Dec 05 19:03:37 Well, at this point, you're better off just waiting for the final Dec 05 19:03:45 the final should come in about 10 days Dec 05 19:03:48 rather than nuking your install now, and then nuking it again for the final. Dec 05 19:04:00 good point Dec 05 19:04:10 i just finally got around to the latest stable update, though Dec 05 19:04:12 thought so too Dec 05 19:04:34 the dpad hack still work? Dec 05 19:04:54 For? Dec 05 19:05:02 sorry- microb Dec 05 19:05:11 Which? Dec 05 19:05:15 in OS2008 Dec 05 19:05:18 :) Dec 05 19:05:23 Which d-pad hack? Dec 05 19:05:26 haha Dec 05 19:05:32 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=100884&postcount=11 Dec 05 19:05:39 I found turning off snav and fuddling around somewhere in chrome gave me good results. Dec 05 19:05:45 It's mentioned somewhere on bugzilla Dec 05 19:05:56 (Thanks, timeless!) Dec 05 19:06:02 Yeah, that. Dec 05 19:06:17 damn, one killer app that would be doable in no-time if we had full gst-plugins-* and pygdata : a real youtube browser Dec 05 19:06:24 like the iPhone one Dec 05 19:06:35 except better obviously, since it'll be on a free platform :) Dec 05 19:06:38 could do it with python and mplayer.. Dec 05 19:06:56 OR...you could do it with C and mplayer Dec 05 19:06:59 * bilboed sighs Dec 05 19:07:01 yes, or C Dec 05 19:07:26 whatever Dec 05 19:08:05 Has anybody actually been able to use their discount code yet, btw? Dec 05 19:08:26 Or Ruby Dec 05 19:08:34 You could have a utube feed to a home plugin Dec 05 19:08:47 So many options, so little time. Dec 05 19:08:57 anybody can help me with kde ? Dec 05 19:09:06 Yuk .. Dec 05 19:09:29 how I can start it when start the os ? Dec 05 19:09:37 when I starting the os Dec 05 19:09:39 * bilboed rubs eyes Dec 05 19:09:45 fysa: very cool. Dec 05 19:09:45 why not vista ! Dec 05 19:09:49 :) Dec 05 19:09:54 * Tak starts a Save the Memory campaign Dec 05 19:09:58 just launch the default vm of os2008 Dec 05 19:10:02 someone should make a small app to do that change for people Dec 05 19:12:07 bilboed: just take uktube as basis and add the browsing support to that. Dec 05 19:12:11 simple! Dec 05 19:13:30 yeah, something like that would be ideal Dec 05 19:13:47 a single 'media environment' would be nice. Dec 05 19:14:21 even better. Just adding the proper gst-plugins... would make youtube videos playable in the default player Dec 05 19:14:58 perhaps (likely) some asm in use.. Dec 05 19:15:11 it really sucks there isn't a repo with all the gst plugins for maemo Dec 05 19:15:32 so make one. Dec 05 19:15:43 I'm a dick at packaging Dec 05 19:15:56 perhaps someone could make canola plugin for browsing youtube. Dec 05 19:16:10 mplayer + python + canola 2 should be pretty nice combo Dec 05 19:16:20 to develop on Dec 05 19:19:17 I mentioned a youtube browser not long ago on ITT and got shotdown :p Dec 05 19:19:24 when I thought it would be a cool idea Dec 05 19:19:44 since they have a pretty cool youtube browser on XBMC in python Dec 05 19:20:36 oh well, it really is ZZZ time 4:50am :\ Dec 05 19:20:40 nite! Dec 05 19:25:25 Mornin' Dec 05 19:27:41 anyone tried working this into microb? http://grabanddrag.mozdev.org/ Dec 05 19:29:36 looks better than the behavior we're required to implement Dec 05 19:30:02 but it won't really help the fun cases Dec 05 19:30:10 I just want that faster-than-finger scrolling Dec 05 19:30:25 and I suppose it should be trivial to pull that out of it.. Dec 05 19:31:24 fysa: i'd rather the ie/seamonkey middle mouse relative continuous scrolling feature Dec 05 19:31:31 which i probably should specify Dec 05 19:31:36 ah Dec 05 19:31:43 since that's one of the more useful pieces Dec 05 19:31:58 it makes a center point at the mouse position and you scroll relative to that? Dec 05 19:32:14 basically Dec 05 19:32:51 you scroll at a rate proportional to the distance from the original point Dec 05 19:32:58 if they touch and hold, you average the first Nms x/y, then enter listening state for 1000ms and wait for movement Dec 05 19:33:05 directed from the original point to the current point Dec 05 19:33:20 hi folks. question about the N810 which I'm seriously considering. does it support a bluetooth profile for HFP? importantly, can it -be- a handsfree device? can i hook up headphones to my N810, listen to music, and receive a phone call through it from a BT enabled phone? Dec 05 19:33:29 ah Dec 05 19:33:36 I'd be happy of scrollbars didn't behave like the original Mac. :\ Dec 05 19:33:51 it stops when you tap again/escape/or you run out of scrolling Dec 05 19:34:32 Why in the world would taping the scrollbar outside of the slider mean "scroll one page" instead of "scroll to here" Dec 05 19:34:48 because they have no page down otherwise ;) Dec 05 19:34:57 general: standard windows behavior? :) Dec 05 19:35:08 it's been the standard behavior everywhere outside of x for a long time :) Dec 05 19:35:08 Is it? Dec 05 19:35:12 yes Dec 05 19:35:14 yeah Dec 05 19:35:21 actually, it's not quite that simple Dec 05 19:35:26 * GeneralAntilles hasn't touched a windows box in almost a year. Dec 05 19:35:29 if you tap and hold, the behavior gets less consistent Dec 05 19:35:40 it will repeat every