**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Dec 06 03:00:00 2007 Dec 06 05:17:44 bye Dec 06 05:28:08 I got maemocjk working on n810... woo. Dec 06 05:31:39 anyone get xchat working on os2008 yet? i'm too lazy to look around Dec 06 05:32:04 lol Dec 06 05:32:14 yep works fine Dec 06 05:32:28 google for : chinook Xchat Dec 06 05:32:36 and it will spit out a skyhusker addy Dec 06 05:32:48 cool thanks Dec 06 05:33:19 the one in the repo i have keeps giving me a conflict , i'll check that first Dec 06 05:34:31 theres an Xchat in the repository for Chinook ? Dec 06 05:35:05 i batch added the repos from one of the sites Dec 06 05:35:26 if you got the bora version, it will prob bomb out Dec 06 05:35:51 I tried that last time and had a heap of dependencies and conflicts Dec 06 05:36:38 looks like its the one from maemo-hackers i'm seeing Dec 06 05:36:52 http://kismetwireless.net/screenshot/wispy810.jpg Dec 06 05:36:53 woot. Dec 06 05:37:09 haha Dec 06 05:37:13 how sweet is that :p Dec 06 05:37:23 too bad the wispy's are dirty expencive Dec 06 05:37:55 That's w/ no hildonizing, too Dec 06 05:38:00 so that's the next step Dec 06 05:38:56 i'd love to get a wispy :p are there going to be packages available ? Dec 06 05:39:07 for OS2008 Dec 06 05:39:31 yeah Dec 06 05:39:37 i'll make packages once I hildonize it Dec 06 05:39:39 cool :) Dec 06 05:39:49 also i need to fix the root thing Dec 06 05:39:52 good work :D Dec 06 05:40:28 <|R> hehe Dec 06 05:40:38 right now it has to be launched as root Dec 06 05:41:15 ahh ok Dec 06 05:41:23 you want just a regular user able to launch without sudo ? Dec 06 05:41:59 <|R> just add a sudoers line? Dec 06 05:42:09 Well, theres other things implied there Dec 06 05:42:28 like you don't get the hildon prefs for the gtk widgets if you just sudo load it Dec 06 05:42:35 ahh ok Dec 06 05:42:41 <|R> oh Dec 06 05:42:43 sweet, got xchat installed thanks Dec 06 05:43:16 so i might have to make a little root process which controls the USB and feeds the data up or something Dec 06 05:43:34 or see if I can change the usb device permissions sanely Dec 06 05:44:25 <|R> this absolutely needs a wi.spy device, won't work with internal wifi? :) Dec 06 05:45:34 yeah Dec 06 05:45:36 sorry Dec 06 05:45:41 <|R> np :) Dec 06 05:45:45 <|R> just wondering Dec 06 05:45:50 totally different voodoo to decode frames vs. raw signal levels Dec 06 05:46:02 tho someone could do a gtk kismet client still :P Dec 06 05:46:17 that'll be the next thing, history has embittered me to kismet on these things so i was messing w/ the spectools stuff first Dec 06 05:46:28 <|R> have you got kismet running on 2008? :) Dec 06 05:46:42 since no-one else sent maemo patches I may finally be inspired enough by the 810 to get it going Dec 06 05:46:45 especially w/ the built-in gps Dec 06 05:46:49 <|R> yeah :) Dec 06 05:46:53 i just got kismet running on 2008 Dec 06 05:46:54 maybe try a few usb NICs and see if it has enough juice Dec 06 05:47:06 I expect it'll run, I don't know what the drivers look like offhand Dec 06 05:47:10 how much is the new wispy these days ? Dec 06 05:47:13 you having trouble with kismet? Dec 06 05:47:19 anthrobug: I wrote kismet :P Dec 06 05:47:20 I remember it over 500 bucks when I first saw it Dec 06 05:47:26 <|R> ;) Dec 06 05:47:28 sweet! Dec 06 05:47:40 it's a dream on the 800 Dec 06 05:47:44 anthrobug: There are issues with maemo, always have been, I posted a list of things I wanted to see before I did maemo packages Dec 06 05:47:44 oh cool Dec 06 05:47:48 I love kismet :p Dec 06 05:48:05 but I may get around to doing them myself now that I have the 810 Dec 06 05:48:07 did they address what you were looking for? Dec 06 05:48:27 <|R> like what? :) Dec 06 05:48:30 It's working great, thank you for this wonderful program Dec 06 05:49:04 anthrobug: No-one sent any patches, so, no :P Dec 06 05:49:34 Mainly talking to the wifi app to keep it offline, auto-launching in an xterm, figuring out how to clean up after when the drivers get confused Dec 06 05:49:43 Wasn't there issues with the Chipset in Maemo with kismet working correctly ? Dec 06 05:49:48 or is that all in my head... Dec 06 05:50:10 so far I haven't had a problem with the cleanup - I see the warning but it's been stable after quitting Dec 06 05:50:18 and having some mechanism to tie into the gps system Dec 06 05:50:32 Well, if the maemo drivers are stable coming out of rfmon now Dec 06 05:50:34 thats a big step Dec 06 05:50:49 also the newcore ui will get mouse support sometime in the reasonable future Dec 06 05:50:57 which would make a tablet ui much saner if I just made newcore packages Dec 06 05:51:06 this is on that beta released two weeks ago Dec 06 05:51:23 yea, the keyboard kills the interface Dec 06 05:51:30 ahh ok sweet Dec 06 05:51:40 I have the N800, I prefer no keyboard Dec 06 05:51:45 but I understand why people want one Dec 06 05:51:56 I never liked the 800 hw design Dec 06 05:51:58 * |R still waiting for dev codes activation ... Dec 06 05:51:59 it's just ugly without a bluetooth keyboard Dec 06 05:52:01 the 810 makes me very happy Dec 06 05:52:14 I still miss the hard cover from the 770, too Dec 06 05:52:31 you owned each version of the tablets ? Dec 06 05:52:39 yeah Dec 06 05:52:40 yea, the keyboard really changes the device, im missing it bigtime Dec 06 05:54:49 with that photo you posted of wispy on the n810, are you using any special cables ? or just adapters to fit the usb together ? Dec 06 05:55:14 It's a micro-a-male to a-male, and an a-a coupler Dec 06 05:55:22 ahh ok cool Dec 06 05:55:31 whats that for? Dec 06 05:55:40 give me an excuse to fork out some cash with the wispy when the packages will work :) Dec 06 05:55:48 cheers Dec 06 05:55:49 anthrobug: what's what for? Dec 06 05:55:57 usb cable Dec 06 05:56:06 <|R> hehe check the picture ;) Dec 06 05:56:29 male to male, isn't that different than the built in connector? Dec 06 05:56:50 the OTG micro-ab needs a micro-a male to put it in host mode Dec 06 05:56:55 the cable I found happened to go to A male Dec 06 05:57:00 so I had a coupler handy Dec 06 05:57:25 ah, i saw something about that - I'm new to the n800, just figuring all this out Dec 06 05:57:31 the 800 is even funnier Dec 06 05:57:37 tho you can set host mode programmatically Dec 06 05:57:50 I thought I needed to flash with that host mode to get root, but then I found gainroot Dec 06 05:58:30 what else do you use host mode for? Dec 06 05:58:36 if you set redpill mode I believe it unlocks gainroot Dec 06 05:58:47 <|R> anybody ever tried to lock the device then flash it ? Dec 06 05:59:10 <|R> Just curious what it would do, would it lock on first boot? Dec 06 06:00:08 anthrobug: Use host mode for? Nothing yet, I only got the cables tonight, then I was out for a few hours, then it took a while to install scratchbox and ubuntu in a vm Dec 06 06:02:31 have a good night y'all, nice meeting you dragorn & Thank you! Dec 06 06:02:55 * |R wonders how big is the tablet market now for os2008 Dec 06 06:03:14 <|R> see ya anthrobug :) Dec 06 06:05:05 and good day Dec 06 06:21:29 i just noticed that the devicescape repo that was added from the nokia user site back in the early days went all borked Dec 06 06:21:38 and i do not enjoy using vi on my n800 lol Dec 06 06:22:13 <|R> i do :P Dec 06 06:22:36 i've gotten rusty in my vi commands which is the main part Dec 06 06:22:45 i should get that mug with all the vi commands on it Dec 06 06:23:18 <|R> hehe and one that fades with heat, so when you refill your coffee you can practice your memory ;) Dec 06 06:24:03 lol, that would be a nifty mug Dec 06 06:24:10 Should I have two hildon-desktop processes? Dec 06 06:24:24 i noticed it has changed from sudo gainroot to sudo gainroot - Dec 06 06:25:13 i only had one hildon-destop thread, is one of them gobbling up resources? Dec 06 06:26:42 dunno, perhaps a shutdown and restart and check again. Dec 06 06:26:50 <|R> uhm i have 2 Dec 06 06:27:56 Was trying to apt-get update earlier and it couldn't get lock and I can't see why. Been up for over a week so probably won't hurt. Dec 06 06:28:55 <|R> app manager was not open? :) Dec 06 06:29:02 No Sir Dec 06 06:29:13 <|R> urhm! :) Dec 06 06:29:17 Still have two and dups of at least one more. Dec 06 06:29:32 ssh root@n800 Dec 06 06:29:41 ww Dec 06 06:31:31 OK, now apt-get update runs! Dec 06 06:32:00 wumpus: GPG error: http://tuomas.kulve.fi chinook Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY Dec 06 06:32:07 That explains it :) Dec 06 06:32:22 <|R> http://tuomas.kulve.fi/pgp.txt Dec 06 06:32:52 Where does that got to keep apt happy? Dec 06 06:32:57 <|R> apt-hey add that :) Dec 06 06:33:01 <|R> apt-key Dec 06 06:33:08 <|R> get the file Dec 06 06:33:13 <|R> apt-key add pgp.txt Dec 06 06:33:19 <|R> should work.. Dec 06 06:33:28 I will be SO glad when xchat is ready for 2008 :) Dec 06 06:33:45 I thought it was ported already Dec 06 06:33:53 Gonna have to mount the SDs and copy it over that way. Dec 06 06:34:34 wb GeneralAntilles Dec 06 06:37:54 Not anyplace I have seen - 2007 yes, 2008 no :-(. Unless I am missing something Dec 06 06:38:28 |R: That worked, thanks much! Dec 06 06:39:41 i just googled chinook xchat on my n800 Dec 06 06:39:49 <|R> :) Dec 06 06:39:57 and opened the deb in the first link for skyhuskers Dec 06 06:41:17 acydlord: Where did you find it, just check and all I find is references to bora for xchat. Dec 06 06:41:47 http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ Dec 06 06:41:52 in the bottom of that dir Dec 06 06:42:26 is the white background in the status bar on pidgin and xchat just a gtk issue? Dec 06 06:43:09 no wget LOL Dec 06 06:50:57 * blithe bahs at buy.com still not shipping his n800. Dec 06 06:53:35 I hope they didn't have to order it themselves first. :P Dec 06 06:55:28 <|R> hehe Dec 06 06:58:14 Though I have had experiences where a place says something hasn't shipped, and then it shows up at my door. Dec 06 06:58:20 Can't get my hopes up though. :P Dec 06 06:59:33 happens all the time with directcanada for me. but I've heard a lot of people saying that their buy.com orders have an estimated date around the 12th. Dec 06 07:00:20 acydlord: Works! Thank you Sir! Dec 06 07:00:40 Humm, no "|" on the n800 Dec 06 07:04:45 Hrm. I pushed mine through google checkout. I wonder if it has an ETA. Dec 06 07:07:11 flatface: Are these people who ordered the black friday special? Dec 06 07:07:19 yep. Dec 06 07:07:33 Dang. I hope I get it before next Saturday. I have to leave then. Dec 06 07:08:06 good luck Dec 06 07:08:22 You think it's hopeless? Dec 06 07:08:47 No, sorry, I was actually being earnest there Dec 06 07:08:52 haha Dec 06 07:08:58 Hard to pick up on sarcasm. :P Dec 06 07:09:09 I'm normally pretty sarcastic, though Dec 06 07:09:25 * blithe grins Dec 06 07:10:07 I got mine though special order at staples, but it did cost a bit more. No shipping cost, employee discount and I had store credit, though. Dec 06 07:10:17 Oh, there's a thing where I can update my shipping address. Dec 06 07:10:25 Maybe if it doesn't say shipped by this weekend, I'll change it. Dec 06 07:11:43 mm, good idea Dec 06 07:12:37 * flatface is kind of glad he wrecked his Palm TX now that he has the n800 Dec 06 07:12:51 haha Dec 06 07:12:55 I'm hearing so many positive things. Dec 06 07:13:02 It's great. Dec 06 07:13:06 * |R trying to clear marble level 11.. Dec 06 07:13:11 I'm hoping it's truly a device I want to carry everywhere. Dec 06 07:13:25 I'm even spending more time on it than my laptop. Dec 06 07:17:48 Enough fun for the day, night all and THANKS for all the help and all the goodies :). Dec 06 07:19:15 i have a memory card for my nokia 770, but when i try to write stuff on it via my computer, it never saves on it? Dec 06 07:19:55 corevette: Connected with USB or with a memory card reader? Dec 06 07:20:15 flatface: memory card reader Dec 06 07:20:20 flatface: but i tried both Dec 06 07:20:35 corevette: What OS? Dec 06 07:21:32 flatface: ubuntu gutsy Dec 06 07:21:38 Ah, okay: Dec 06 07:22:15 Make sure the card's not read only, and once you're done writing to it, you'll have to unmount it. Simply unplugging the card isn't something *nix likes. Dec 06 07:23:01 yes i do unmount Dec 06 07:23:05 but how do i check if it's read only Dec 06 07:23:28 Assuming it's an SD card, there should be a little tab on one of the sides. Dec 06 07:23:58 The position closest to the pins is where you want it. Away from them is the locked position. Dec 06 07:25:11 another way of checking is to plug it in, and when it's mounted, open up a terminal and type mount with no extra parameters. Dec 06 07:25:36 look for the mountpoint. if it says (rw), it's good, but if it says (ro), it's read only. Dec 06 07:25:51 hey can any of you guys watch this video i made? And yes im the girl Dec 06 07:25:53 http://youtube.com/watch?v=eXdkyAyOcGo Dec 06 07:26:29 ..spam? Dec 06 07:27:00 flatface: the sd card doesn't have a switch Dec 06 07:27:26 flatface: it's one of those ones where it's only a half an sd card, and you have to put the extender on it when you use the card reader to get it back out Dec 06 07:27:48 oh, you're using a mini/microsd card with an adapter? Dec 06 07:27:54 yes Dec 06 07:28:04 hold on Dec 06 07:28:07 the adapter might have a switch. Dec 06 07:28:12 I know mine does Dec 06 07:28:25 flatface: http://corevette.googlepages.com/SSPX0180.jpg Dec 06 07:28:30 http://corevette.googlepages.com/SSPX0180.jpg Dec 06 07:28:35 sorry for horrible quality Dec 06 07:28:45 Woah, that's odd. Dec 06 07:30:12 /dev/sda1 on /media/RICK 770 type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,shortname=mixed,uid=1000,utf8,umask=077,usefree) Dec 06 07:30:29 flatface: ^^ Dec 06 07:30:42 That should work fine. :/ Dec 06 07:31:24 so i just drag and drop the files via nautilus, unmount, and put the card back it, the files are gone Dec 06 07:31:57 I'm running out of ideas here, heh. You sure it's not out of space? also try typing dmesg and seeing if there are any odd errors relating to the card Dec 06 07:32:33 Free SPace: 1.8G Dec 06 07:33:25 flatface: http://pastebin.com/m4d4ef5d2 Dec 06 07:34:01 Odd messages indeed. Dec 06 07:35:05 flatface: linux issue? memory card issue? i know your out of ideas, but can you narrow it down? Dec 06 07:35:52 corevette, if you sync the device in terminal? ...thats what unmount does in theory, but it's worth a try Dec 06 07:36:13 what do you mean jeddy3 Dec 06 07:36:18 I hope I can, but I might not be that good. I/O errors are never good and may be either hardware or a formatting error. I'd try using fsck on it. Dec 06 07:37:11 open terminal, run command "sync /dev/sdb" or wherever your card resides Dec 06 07:37:48 jeddy3: you see the dmesg output? pretty sure i/o errors won't be fixed with that Dec 06 07:38:19 corevette@corevette-desktop:~$ sync /media/RICK\ 770/ Dec 06 07:38:19 sync: ignoring all arguments Dec 06 07:38:19 corevette@corevette-desktop:~$ Dec 06 07:38:53 that's the mountpoint, it has to be run on the device point (/dev/sdxy) Dec 06 07:39:10 sda in this case Dec 06 07:39:14 flatface, no didn't check...just thought i'd chip in before scurrying of to meeting :) Dec 06 07:39:28 jeddy3: well, you taught me a new command today. thanks :D Dec 06 07:39:55 corevette@corevette-desktop:~$ sync /dev/sda1 Dec 06 07:39:55 sync: ignoring all arguments Dec 06 07:40:16 flatface, :D, in theory, i think thats excactly what unmount actually do, but sometimes you can get some extra information from terminal Dec 06 07:40:56 apparently sync doesn't need any arguments (according to the manpage) Dec 06 07:41:40 * corevette is thinking of giving up Dec 06 07:41:58 corevette: unmount it, then fsck /dev/sda1 Dec 06 07:43:03 sorry to spam Dec 06 07:43:04 corevette@corevette-desktop:~$ fsck /dev/sda1 Dec 06 07:43:04 fsck 1.40.2 (12-Jul-2007) Dec 06 07:43:04 dosfsck 2.11, 12 Mar 2005, FAT32, LFN Dec 06 07:43:04 /dev/sda1: 10 files, 2065/62003 clusters Dec 06 07:43:15 Was that it? Dec 06 07:43:25 yes Dec 06 07:43:28 <|R> why give sync an argument? Dec 06 07:45:19 well thanks anyways Dec 06 07:45:50 corevette: I personally think it's a hardware fault, but someone else here might have a better suggestion Dec 06 08:25:24 flatface: You really spend more time on it than your laptop? Dec 06 08:29:21 I need to parse XML file to variables on shell script. do you have recommendations which tools to use? Dec 06 09:00:45 Hi Dec 06 09:22:37 er, is the camera on the n810 usable by anything? Dec 06 09:23:03 I guess video calls work Dec 06 09:25:01 what Video apps in the N8x0's can use the camera for chat ? Dec 06 09:25:03 only google talk ? Dec 06 09:25:53 and Gizmo Dec 06 09:29:45 anyone else experiencing power-on problems with n800? Dec 06 09:30:42 removed battery for a moment yesterday, and upon powering on it was _completely_ dead ...no charging, not any life whatsoever Dec 06 09:32:24 Maybe let it sit on the charger for a little while? Dec 06 09:32:31 had to remove battery for a couple of hours before it woke up and everything was normal again Dec 06 09:32:54 GeneralAntilles, nope, no reaction...and battery was fully charged Dec 06 09:33:02 Dunno Dec 06 09:33:08 Never experienced anything like that. Dec 06 09:34:12 it's working now...and i never intend to turn it of, but it was weird...and others seems to have same problem upon searching...no universal solution though :/ Dec 06 09:35:13 atop of that: i forgot to put in my internal sd-card, so i had to turn it of AGAIN =P...and it was the same thing, left it overnight Dec 06 09:35:55 You can hot-swap the cards. Dec 06 09:36:08 GeneralAntilles, internal also? Dec 06 09:36:13 Yup Dec 06 09:36:20 sweet! Dec 06 09:36:28 It's a good idea to make sure your apps are closed with the swap on it. Dec 06 09:36:38 When swapping OUT Dec 06 09:36:43 But swapping IN presents no troubles. Dec 06 09:38:39 sure Dec 06 09:40:20 one _really_ weird thing also: when not powering on, after removing battery...i had to press the zoom in/maximize/zoom out buttons before powering on to make power button work... :D Dec 06 09:41:28 You holding down the power button? Dec 06 09:41:39 It's not an instant-on thing Dec 06 09:41:44 You have to hold for upwards of a second. Dec 06 09:41:53 jeddy3: Sounds like a a stuck button perhaps? Dec 06 09:42:12 yes, held it down for half a minute sometimes Dec 06 09:42:39 jeddy3: you can only use one button at a time. So if one is stuck, the others won't work. Dec 06 09:42:58 X-Fade, no stuck button as i could feel...it sounds really weird, but reproducable both times Dec 06 09:43:30 Hmm just tested it. I can keep a zoom button pressed and use the power button. Dec 06 09:43:34 i tried _every_ possible combination, thats how i found out :P Dec 06 09:44:22 X-Fade, hmm Dec 06 09:47:19 I wish they hadn't broken soft power-off with OS2008. Dec 06 09:50:32 Hum someone have see that rfcomm isn't anymore in the os2008 ? Dec 06 09:51:15 the module is here, but no more /usr/bin/rfcomm Dec 06 09:51:25 GeneralAntilles: I have no use for that. I use my N800 in always on, always connected mode. Dec 06 09:51:36 You never put it in your pocket? Dec 06 09:51:48 GeneralAntilles: Automatically switching to UMTS when out of Wifi reach.. Dec 06 09:51:58 GeneralAntilles: Sure. Just lock the screen? Dec 06 09:52:07 Yeah, that's the point of soft power-off. Dec 06 09:52:11 Locking is a PITA Dec 06 09:52:12 morning Dec 06 09:52:22 One button activation > two button activation Dec 06 09:52:34 soft power-off doesn't kill the connection, either. :) Dec 06 09:52:38 Hey, lardman. Dec 06 09:52:57 hi GeneralAntilles Dec 06 09:53:10 GeneralAntilles: I don't mind the 2 button lock removal. And it stays connected anyway.. Dec 06 09:53:25 Yeah, soft power-off is the same as locked keys. Dec 06 09:53:28 Just a lot easier to use. Dec 06 09:53:48 GeneralAntilles: Every nokia has menu -> star for locking. I'm used to that ;) Dec 06 09:54:24 Anybody happen to have a link handy to a really, really, big image? Dec 06 09:54:32 I'm testing the limits of the OS2008 image viewer. Dec 06 09:54:37 * lardman wonders if the UK is the odd one out - N810 listed in French/German/Spanish Nokia online stores.... Dec 06 09:55:36 lardman: I guess you need them to show up at direct.nokia.com for the codes to work? Dec 06 09:55:59 lardman: And there the French etc are also not yet know.. Dec 06 09:56:28 Yeah, though the other European stores don't work with codes yet either, but at least it shows up for them! ;) Dec 06 09:57:07 As long as this one doesn't work, no fun. http://direct.nokia.com/Countries.aspx?model=n810 Dec 06 09:58:08 ah well, T-minus 9 days and counting.... Dec 06 09:58:43 6 days for canola, 9 for os2008...interesting times :) Dec 06 09:59:29 lardman, or what was your ETA for? Dec 06 10:00:00 jeddy3: N810 ;) Dec 06 10:00:25 X-Fade, ah, my bad :D Dec 06 10:00:26 At developer rate. Dec 06 10:00:47 X-Fade, but os2008 for n800 seems to be in that time frame also Dec 06 10:01:13 jeddy3: yep. Dec 06 10:01:24 Although you can already use the beta image.. Dec 06 10:02:03 X-Fade, yeah i know Dec 06 10:02:07 jeddy3: yep, N810 Dec 06 10:02:24 Hi Dec 06 10:03:11 I've just installed chinook sdk in sb but can't find xterm, do you know where i can find it? Dec 06 10:12:46 re Dec 06 10:14:44 elpaso: why do you want xterm? Dec 06 10:14:59 and what do you want, the source? Dec 06 10:15:22 Binary is enough, I want to launch programs from the xterm Dec 06 10:15:32 into xephyr Dec 06 10:15:41 oh I see Dec 06 10:15:58 perhaps I can do run-standalone? Dec 06 10:16:02 do they need to be run in xterm? Couldn't you just run them in the term? Dec 06 10:16:08 from the sb shell? Dec 06 10:16:10 yes Dec 06 10:16:32 regarding xterm, I think you'll need to compile it for x86 Dec 06 10:16:50 is run-standalone exactly the same as running in osso-xterm? Dec 06 10:17:10 I don't know, I never use the x86 target Dec 06 10:17:18 anyone else? Dec 06 10:19:54 If we want a source package released, should we file a bug about it? Dec 06 10:26:02 Might as well, lardman. Dec 06 10:26:08 Though I highly doubt it'll get you anywhere. Dec 06 10:26:20 There's no reason not to release the source I want Dec 06 10:27:19 I've no idea what to file it under though.... Dec 06 10:27:33 ah, multimedia Dec 06 10:28:21 lardman: Or find the owner of the debian package and mail him? Dec 06 10:32:13 X-Fade: there isn't a debian package Dec 06 10:32:15 lardman: I have been in contact with Terje Bergstrom and Juha Kallioinen. They seem to be in charge of the SDK repository/tools. Dec 06 10:32:22 bug #2498 Dec 06 10:32:46 X-Fade: I think the package itself will have to come from the DSP devs though Dec 06 10:33:01 lardman: Yeah, I guess so. Dec 06 10:33:04 Vote it, lardman. Dec 06 10:33:11 Probably a different team.. Dec 06 10:41:44 kaltsi: Do you know who is responsible for the dsp_dld code? Dec 06 10:42:19 X-Fade: nope :-/ Dec 06 10:42:37 kaltsi: Or are you able to find that out internally? :) Dec 06 10:43:31 maybe :) Dec 06 10:43:48 if you could that would be much appreciated Dec 06 10:44:02 but not today, Finland is closed for independence day Dec 06 10:44:24 It would help a out a lot. As there is now no way to get the bug to the right person.. Dec 06 10:44:40 I missed all previous discussion here.. what's the deal? Dec 06 10:45:16 http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-developers/2007-December/013173.html Dec 06 10:45:44 and/or bug #2498 Dec 06 10:46:40 bah now where's monkey when it could have filled its only purpose Dec 06 10:46:57 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2498 Dec 06 10:47:19 ~bug #2498 Dec 06 10:47:25 :) Dec 06 10:47:30 Oh well, infobot isn't interested Dec 06 10:47:50 I'll ask around a bit on Friday or next week if no-one's there tomorrow eithere Dec 06 10:48:05 thanks :) Dec 06 10:52:58 lardman: Any news on the powervr tools? Dec 06 10:53:29 X-Fade: No, I did some "looking" at the module, got rather confused and decided to do some DSP stuff and come back to it with fresh eyes Dec 06 10:54:08 lardman: Hehe ;) So it is all dark magic at the moment.. Dec 06 10:54:15 X-Fade: indeed :) Dec 06 10:54:45 I need to see if I can get the Poky image to build (kept having niggling errors), then we might try running it Dec 06 10:55:21 but the pvr.ko module seemed to insert ok, but then just sat there (do /dev or /proc entries), so I probably need to go through the code and work out where it's going wrong anyway Dec 06 10:55:33 s/do/no Dec 06 10:55:40 Yeah, you need the tools to actually do something.. Dec 06 10:55:53 yes, that's where the Poky image comes in, hopefully Dec 06 10:56:15 though decoding the comms between the user-space stuff and the kernel module may be a large task Dec 06 10:56:30 assuming the module can be made to work that is :) Dec 06 10:57:17 Yep, if you could only know for sure that it actually does something ;) Dec 06 10:59:48 lardman: what's on your dsp.h line 61 in the kernel source tree? I'm looking at timeless' MXR thingy and can't understand why it would report a syntax error there Dec 06 11:00:12 I'm also fighting with my new iMac and can't paste from the browser to this xterm so I can't provide a link :) Dec 06 11:00:38 this 'mighty mouse' is all but mighty Dec 06 11:00:46 let me have a look, /me fires up exploree2fs as he's running WinXP atm Dec 06 11:02:58 here's the whole file http://maemo.pastebin.com/m660844f1 Dec 06 11:03:15 line 60 starts "struct omap_dsp_mailbox_cmd {" Dec 06 11:03:29 hm ok it's different from what timeless is indexing there Dec 06 11:04:24 this is the latest kernel source 2.6.21- Dec 06 11:04:34 right.. timeless has there .16 Dec 06 11:04:54 was .16 for the 770? Dec 06 11:05:38 I dunno.. Dec 06 11:06:20 kaltsi: The problem is probably not to hard to fix, then I can search for the missing definition and add it, but I just thought it there's a package available it would be easier (as I'm trying to write a tremor sink not debug dsp tools) Dec 06 11:06:28 that __u16 is supposed to be defined in linux/include/asm-arm/types.h try including that Dec 06 11:07:04 kaltsi: I will when I boot back to Linux Dec 06 11:07:04 lardman: yep sure Dec 06 11:07:49 ? Dec 06 11:07:51 I'll take a look this evening and post to the list if I get it to work, but it would still be good to have the source package available with headers, etc. Dec 06 11:10:04 hmm the kernel probably was updated at some point during this chinook stuff.. maybe it was .16 when the first image for N810 was released Dec 06 11:10:42 OS2007 was .18 iirc Dec 06 11:11:11 not to worry Dec 06 11:13:33 ok, how do i poweroff the device if it doesn't want to do it normally Dec 06 11:14:01 take out the battery Dec 06 11:14:48 eventhough it's on? Dec 06 11:15:19 mornink Dec 06 11:15:30 kaltsi, was it you who asked for lxr for maemo? Dec 06 11:15:31 why doesn't it want to power off normally, what do you mean? Dec 06 11:15:41 czr: hi, yep that's me Dec 06 11:16:25 kaltsi, thought so :-). you should hang around here more often. timeless setup an working lxr-king-of-thingy (mxr), but I guess you read about that already :-) Dec 06 11:16:38 an official one would of course be much nicer, but still. Dec 06 11:16:59 kaltsi, somethings wrong with power...it does not show any battery status, and if i press powerbutton it gets white, then nokia hands picture, then goes back to somewhat broken grapical interface Dec 06 11:17:04 czr: yes I know about that, I didn't want to advertize that there as I thought timeless would do it himself :) Dec 06 11:17:13 ah. sneaky :-) Dec 06 11:17:24 he tricked me! Dec 06 11:17:31 :D Dec 06 11:17:38 * timelyx frowns Dec 06 11:17:41 * czr adds kaltsi to the list of nominees for "The Sneaky Awards 2008" Dec 06 11:17:51 i have no idea why that package turned up Dec 06 11:18:05 do note that the kernel sources probably aren't a dependency for the image Dec 06 11:18:16 whereas a kernel header would have been Dec 06 11:18:20 jeddy3: do you have the power cord plugged in? if yes then try without it.. Dec 06 11:18:26 * czr plays C flat Dec 06 11:18:30 how's that for a note? Dec 06 11:18:37 http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/source/l/linux-kernel-headers/ Dec 06 11:18:39 * czr hides & runs Dec 06 11:18:45 kaltsi: that's what the xref found Dec 06 11:18:48 a brown note? Dec 06 11:18:50 it's "so not my fault" Dec 06 11:19:02 kaltsi, wasn't that disproved in mythbusters? :-) Dec 06 11:19:04 timelyx: eek Dec 06 11:19:11 kaltsi: anyway, this is an artifact of the way the build system works Dec 06 11:19:17 the kernel is not part of the image/build Dec 06 11:19:26 it's down w/ some secret magic i have not yet decrypted Dec 06 11:19:43 i'm new here, having only worked for more than a year and a half :) Dec 06 11:19:51 I think those need to be updated then.. and they will Dec 06 11:19:54 s/down/done/ Dec 06 11:19:59 kaltsi, yes that did the trick with powering off :)...although now it won't turn on :P Dec 06 11:20:03 * czr adds timelyx to the list of nominees for the "Newbie Awards" Dec 06 11:20:31 jeddy3: hehe :) maybe if you plug the power cord back in and let it charge for a while before trying again Dec 06 11:20:33 kaltsi: anyway, if you or someone else makes significant changes to chinook Dec 06 11:20:35 you'll have to tell me Dec 06 11:20:46 there's no way i'm going to *know* that chinook has significantly changed Dec 06 11:21:05 you can listen to the rumors in the hallways! Dec 06 11:21:13 i'm in the wrong hallway! Dec 06 11:21:15 kaltsi, will do, thanks for pointers Dec 06 11:21:28 they're literally on the other side of the building :) Dec 06 11:21:42 jeddy3: no problem :) Dec 06 11:21:42 pick a they (sdk, kernel, core, ...) Dec 06 11:21:50 I'm a they! Dec 06 11:22:02 visit me on tuesday :) Dec 06 11:22:13 or some day after that when you've changed chinook :) Dec 06 11:22:19 my desk generally has chocolates Dec 06 11:22:25 :D Dec 06 11:22:34 it also has a dated org chart w/ room numbers Dec 06 11:22:36 heh. the secret motivational force Dec 06 11:22:45 i'll probably see about updating it in january Dec 06 11:23:10 mm.. this new 24 inch iMac looks quite big, now I'll have to buy a bigger apartment too Dec 06 11:23:20 lol Dec 06 11:23:25 anyway, i have to pack for rome Dec 06 11:23:38 kaltsi, :D Dec 06 11:23:59 kaltsi: in general figuring out where the xref found a package from in chinook/sardine should be trivial Dec 06 11:24:10 kaltsi, wait till you get a 50" plasma Dec 06 11:24:11 just go to the logical part of pool and see if it's there :) Dec 06 11:24:16 bying things always spawns chains of buying other things it seems :P Dec 06 11:24:19 kaltsi, you'll have to move into a proper city then ;-) Dec 06 11:24:39 timeless, leaving today? Dec 06 11:24:46 yeah in a few hours Dec 06 11:24:55 cool. have a great trip :-) Dec 06 11:24:55 probably leave my apt @2 Dec 06 11:24:57 timelyx: yes.. I just wasn't sure what the 'official' kernel version was right now so I thought it might have been that at some point and that it will be updated at some other point Dec 06 11:25:16 http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/source/k/kernel-source-rx-34/ Dec 06 11:25:19 timelyx, see you in january then I guess Dec 06 11:25:22 shows the package Dec 06 11:25:27 czr: ok Dec 06 11:25:31 don't expect me to fix any bugs until then :-) Dec 06 11:26:28 czr: We will just break some random stuff, so he has some material to file bugs about ;) Dec 06 11:26:42 afk Dec 06 11:26:47 X-Fade: i think i have 2 chapters left that i haven't read Dec 06 11:26:49 X-Fade, "cool" :-) Dec 06 11:26:53 and iirc they're longer than the ones i have read Dec 06 11:27:11 I'll start posting bug reports in big-latin Dec 06 11:27:16 pig-latin even Dec 06 11:27:20 big-latin sounds better Dec 06 11:27:25 AVE Dec 06 11:27:28 BIG-LATIN Dec 06 11:27:34 HERE BE A BVG Dec 06 11:27:35 NO FOREIGN CHARACTERS ALLOWED Dec 06 11:28:03 or maybe I should start writing bug reports in limericks Dec 06 11:28:28 OMG FR3AK1NG P0N13SSS!!1! Dec 06 11:28:47 that's not a limerick :-) Dec 06 11:28:54 Or lolcat perhaps? Dec 06 11:28:55 (too short, otherwise it could be) Dec 06 11:29:03 heh Dec 06 11:29:18 I'll just post screenshots demonstrating the bugs and showing some dubious content Dec 06 11:29:31 "Browser renders tubgirl incorrectly" Dec 06 11:29:35 I Can Has Sourcecode? Dec 06 11:29:52 heh Dec 06 11:29:53 * timelyx sends czr a picture of a fried kitty Dec 06 11:30:02 aww Dec 06 11:30:27 http://lolcat.com/pcdrivestealer.html Dec 06 11:30:31 http://burntelectrons.org/img/deadcatisdead.jpg Dec 06 11:30:53 timelyx, ewww Dec 06 11:31:23 X-Fade, hah Dec 06 11:31:33 i'm a browser engineer, we worse stuff than most people can imagine :) Dec 06 11:32:08 actually, that's from a mozilla lolcats group Dec 06 11:32:40 you have twisted sense of humour :-) Dec 06 11:32:49 lalcats are supposed to be funny or smt :-) Dec 06 11:32:52 lolcats even Dec 06 11:32:53 it's not mine! Dec 06 11:33:21 although i must admit that i'm likely to fall into the curiosity killed the cat category Dec 06 11:34:30 nokia should sponsor a pic like this: http://lolcat.com/pokemanzcats.html but with the N810 Dec 06 11:34:43 "I have maps" Dec 06 11:35:15 "im using your tablet, filing bugs" Dec 06 11:35:32 ur, not your ;) Dec 06 11:35:43 yeah, I know, I'm pathetic :-) Dec 06 11:36:24 * timelyx ponders Dec 06 11:36:41 doesn't that mean that anyone building w/ chinook using headers would get the thing i listed? Dec 06 11:36:54 kaltsi: you should check w/ the internal xref to see if there's a different package there Dec 06 11:37:04 i'm not going to vpn w/ my cell phone to find out :) Dec 06 11:38:34 oh nice. 20 more alerts from network services Dec 06 11:38:37 -> goes looking Dec 06 12:22:35 hola Dec 06 12:30:10 afternoon all Dec 06 12:30:33 anyone using navicore on the n800? Dec 06 12:33:25 Hi guys :) Dec 06 12:35:12 has anyone managed to do a multi region route in navicaor? im driving from the uk to belgium tonight and cant see how to plan the route :( Dec 06 12:40:07 FunkyPenguin: I read somewhere that that's not possible Dec 06 12:40:31 FunkyPenguin: you need to route to somewhere on the border, cross it, then route from there to wherever you're going Dec 06 12:43:11 I think that was on a blog linked from maemo news Dec 06 12:44:45 bugger :( Dec 06 12:44:58 i've got the whole DVD and then some on my n800 Dec 06 12:45:14 * FunkyPenguin hopes wayfinder on OS2008 is better then Dec 06 12:45:25 oh, I thought you meant that Dec 06 12:45:26 sorry Dec 06 12:45:44 on n800 with os2008 Dec 06 12:45:52 nope, im on OS2007 on n800 Dec 06 12:49:00 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12212&highlight=route Dec 06 12:49:03 that was what I read Dec 06 12:49:24 so that's probably exactly what you use (2nd post) Dec 06 12:49:56 lardman: thanks Dec 06 12:50:16 np Dec 06 12:57:12 looks like im in no real rush then to go to 2008 - this is a real dissapointment Dec 06 13:00:28 "Map" on OS2008 isn't any better. Dec 06 13:00:38 Hell yes there's a rush for OS2008. Dec 06 13:00:41 Extra CPU? Dec 06 13:01:08 Really, you're much better off sticking with maemo mapper. Dec 06 13:01:10 It's not shit. Dec 06 13:02:11 For n810 on maemo-mapper, what do I put for the settings to find the internal gps? Dec 06 13:04:55 Ah, I see. Dec 06 13:27:27 "std::map - A standard container made up of (key,value) pairs, which can be retrieved based on a key, in logarithmic time." Dec 06 13:27:39 where's my constant time?! Dec 06 13:28:44 * Juhaz waves hand. this is not the language you're looking for Dec 06 13:32:15 * Tak gets a glazed look in his eyes and wanders over toward python Dec 06 13:33:32 Hehe Dec 06 14:49:17 hum, on os2008 seems 'softpoweroff' doesn't work as on os2007... Dec 06 14:49:30 display is still alive Dec 06 14:50:33 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2400 Dec 06 14:52:57 mmm comment #3 doesn't look very promising... Dec 06 14:53:47 It'll come when it comes. Dec 06 14:53:49 * GeneralAntilles shrugs. Dec 06 14:54:01 It's too bad locking is broken, too. Dec 06 14:56:51 Trying to find the source for 'osso-connectivity-ui' and i can't find it via apt-get source xxxx in scratchbox. Are there additional urls that need to be put in sources.list does anyone know? I think this is maintained by nokia but i want to see what if anything is available in the source package Dec 06 14:59:14 afaik, if it's osso, it's Nokia. Dec 06 14:59:19 no telling whether it's open or closed. Dec 06 15:00:10 There's a page that'll tell you which are which are open and which are closed. Dec 06 15:00:14 I don't remember the URL, though. Dec 06 15:02:00 okay, yeh think it's closed just wanted to see "source" so i can tell if can customize at all, before i start looking for replacement or writing one. I'll try to find that url thanks Dec 06 15:02:17 http://repository.maemo.org/pool/ Dec 06 15:02:19 If you want to browse. Dec 06 15:03:29 thanks Dec 06 15:04:00 It's baffling what Nokia decides to open and close. Dec 06 15:06:47 ha, I see. Yeh if osso-* is all largely closed, with little room for customizing bummer. To me a lot of their stuff is very close to what is needed, but not quite. Be nice to be able to extend, but ah well. Dec 06 15:43:34 anyone here have os2008 ++ n800 + bt gps Dec 06 15:43:46 Yes. Dec 06 15:44:30 if nyou n use gps, does an icon appear in the status area Dec 06 15:45:58 if you install the official OS2k8 release for the N800, do you still have the Map then? Dec 06 15:46:46 Yes, timeless. Dec 06 15:46:51 with maemo mapper and "Map" Dec 06 15:47:18 got the us user guide Dec 06 15:47:35 please turn to page 9 and file a bug Dec 06 15:47:41 Will do. Dec 06 15:47:50 it says the icon is only for n810 internal Dec 06 15:49:22 beta indeed Dec 06 15:49:47 Don't see any reason why they shouldn't have it work with an external. Dec 06 15:50:26 What do you want it under? Desktop? Dec 06 15:50:32 doc writers often get a Dec 06 15:50:39 their is a doc product Dec 06 15:50:45 Ah, right. Dec 06 15:50:49 userguideghelp or something Dec 06 15:51:16 but please grab a nokian on friday and make sure it+s imported Dec 06 15:52:22 * timeless wonders what an application is as far as end users and doc writers are concerned Dec 06 15:52:36 anyone want to guess? Dec 06 15:53:00 i am on page 10 of the us guide Dec 06 15:53:36 I need to get another copy. Dec 06 15:53:43 Deleted all of 'em last night. Dec 06 15:54:07 heh Dec 06 15:54:23 my flight is scheduled to depart in 2mmins Dec 06 15:54:47 Can't turn off, can you? :P Dec 06 15:55:26 i will drop off when instructed to do so Dec 06 15:55:30 i.e. nolw Dec 06 15:55:32 bye Dec 06 15:55:38 See yah. Dec 06 16:05:05 <[pablo]> anyone have any experience doing mounting of external devices on the n810? Dec 06 16:06:18 It's probably covered somewhere on ITT. Dec 06 16:07:38 [pablo]: as in, usb? Dec 06 16:07:47 <[pablo]> yeah Dec 06 16:08:09 get a micro-a-male cable to throw the device into host mode Dec 06 16:08:17 <[pablo]> GeneralAntilles: i searched under n810 and os2008 forums and found nothing =/ Dec 06 16:08:28 <[pablo]> dragorn: how do I put it in host mode? Dec 06 16:08:45 and generally things just show up. It'll whine it's not a supported device, but it'll work, at least if the device doesn't need more power than the tablet can provide Dec 06 16:08:53 by getting a micro-a-male cable Dec 06 16:09:09 <[pablo]> dragorn: i have it plugged in already Dec 06 16:09:15 host mode is controlled by the cable pin groundings, you need an A cable, it ships with a B cable. Dec 06 16:09:34 <[pablo]> oh, so the cable that came with the n810 will not work? Dec 06 16:09:38 not for host mode Dec 06 16:09:42 <[pablo]> interesting Dec 06 16:10:05 usb otg standard uses one of the pins to indicate host or peripheral. B is peripheral, A is host. Dec 06 16:10:15 <[pablo]> i just got a fem a -> fem a gender changer Dec 06 16:10:27 You can, in theory, control it with files in /sys, but while that works on the 800 I couldn't get it working on the 810 Dec 06 16:10:54 [pablo]: yeah, a coupler won't do it, you need the B micro connector Dec 06 16:11:11 [pablo]: Also: micro, not mini. Be careful. Mini won't fit. Dec 06 16:11:32 <[pablo]> dragorn: so I need to get a micro-usb male to usb b male? Dec 06 16:11:42 no Dec 06 16:11:43 <[pablo]> and inherently another way to hook it up to my n810 Dec 06 16:11:49 <[pablo]> err, my hdd i mean Dec 06 16:11:55 you need a micro-usb-A-male to whatever Dec 06 16:12:29 I haven't tried anything larger than a flash drive. it definitely won't power a hard drive from the tablet, though it may work w/ an externally powered one Dec 06 16:12:38 <[pablo]> okay, so the only problem is in the micro end that plugs into the n810 then Dec 06 16:12:51 yes. you need a special end. Dec 06 16:12:52 <[pablo]> dragorn: i have a y power cable for the HD Dec 06 16:13:20 [pablo]: amazon.com, item USB126002M Dec 06 16:13:57 So, USB flash drives seem to work? Dec 06 16:14:07 captlloyd: mine do Dec 06 16:14:22 nice, so you could in principe hook an externally powered hdd to it :) Dec 06 16:14:29 <[pablo]> dragorn: awesome, thank you =) Dec 06 16:14:41 <[pablo]> wumpus: that's my hopes =) Dec 06 16:14:51 <[pablo]> this thing will make a great in car media center Dec 06 16:15:36 <[pablo]> dragorn: the micro end on that cable looks different than the cable that fits in my n810 Dec 06 16:16:08 [pablo]: you are also doing mediacenter for the car? Dec 06 16:16:18 <[pablo]> oil: trying to =) Dec 06 16:16:19 I think it may not be the same thing Dec 06 16:16:48 <[pablo]> it looks like it's the same except the cable I came with has the two lower corners cut at an angle Dec 06 16:16:51 [pablo]: same here. automatic mediasync when coming home with rsync is one part of it. Dec 06 16:16:56 <[pablo]> the port looks fairly square though Dec 06 16:16:59 Oh, maybe its the Micro B and not the Micro A Dec 06 16:18:11 <[pablo]> sounds right Dec 06 16:18:26 [pablo]: that part # works, I've got 3 of them sitting on my desk :P Dec 06 16:18:33 [pablo]: http://kismetwireless.net/screenshot/wispy810.jpg Dec 06 16:18:54 i was going to test an externally powered hdd but my little laptop drive seems to have gone to meet its maker Dec 06 16:19:22 <[pablo]> =/ Dec 06 16:19:32 <[pablo]> i have a passport drive that i'll be using Dec 06 16:19:53 <[pablo]> i found a little 2 port car charger hub thing with a powered usb port to power the drive in my car Dec 06 16:23:02 Anyone used the Nokia FM transmitter? Dec 06 16:23:29 what fm transmitter is this? Dec 06 16:23:29 Hehe Dec 06 16:23:33 Why buy Nokia? Dec 06 16:23:43 Just get a cheap FM transmitter from, like, anywhere. Dec 06 16:24:19 <[pablo]> target has one for $20 that takes usb thumb drives and audio inputs, plugs right into your cigarette lighter Dec 06 16:24:41 <[pablo]> 1/8" audio inputs* Dec 06 16:25:26 Cools Dec 06 16:27:29 <[pablo]> can't find it on thier website, but it was in the automotive section at my local super target Dec 06 16:34:54 re Dec 06 16:36:32 Cassette adapter. Dec 06 16:37:29 :) Dec 06 16:38:10 fm transmitters are dirt cheap Dec 06 16:38:15 very handy to have Dec 06 16:38:24 true, but cassette adapters sound better. Dec 06 16:39:20 unfortunate as that is Dec 06 16:39:26 cars tend to have just cd Dec 06 16:39:37 new cars anyways Dec 06 16:39:46 new cars tend to have direct audio input Dec 06 16:39:52 not all of them :( Dec 06 16:39:54 not really Dec 06 16:40:11 well ok many new players have inputs at the back and shit Dec 06 16:40:13 hence "tend" and not "are guaranteed" ;-) Dec 06 16:40:40 2005 Acura still includes a cassette deck, horrifyingly enough Dec 06 16:40:40 but they let you buy options like an ipod connector that (a) only works with ipods and (b) costs silly amounts of money Dec 06 16:40:59 Yeah, I have a car that's about 2 years old and it has only CD and no audio input Dec 06 16:41:07 direct audio input wasn't even an option Dec 06 16:41:26 fysa: my 02 VW did as well Dec 06 16:41:38 I suppose a competent engineer could dismantle the front panel and hook something up Dec 06 16:42:06 you can get a deck with USB and line-in for < $100 Dec 06 16:42:13 07 VW has standard audio input, (with option of additional costly ipod-specific connector) Dec 06 16:42:13 What's the name of an App that I can use to take still photos and/or short videos with my N810? Dec 06 16:42:33 camera? Dec 06 16:44:13 Don't find it for OS2007 Dec 06 16:44:14 err Dec 06 16:44:16 2008 Dec 06 16:49:10 Where's the proper place to report bugs on the nokia packages...so they can ignore them :-D Dec 06 16:49:19 to the maintainer of the package ? Dec 06 16:49:52 If they were open source i'd just fix the damn bugs myself but whatever Dec 06 16:50:18 If your head unit has a CD change input, you can get adaptors for about $50-$80 Dec 06 16:50:29 Yeah, too bad most factory head units aren't of a standard size, fysa. Dec 06 16:50:47 gps-camera, captlloyd. Dec 06 16:51:05 bugs.maemo.org, johnnynokia. Dec 06 16:51:06 Yeah, my factory deck is odd and what covers it is kinda part of the rest of the dash Dec 06 16:51:09 Just remember to SEARCH FIRST! Dec 06 16:51:17 Well I searched for camera Dec 06 16:51:24 thanks General Dec 06 16:51:27 Thanks Dec 06 16:51:45 Not you captlloyd, Mr. Bug Reporter over here. ;) Dec 06 16:51:51 lol Dec 06 16:51:51 ok Dec 06 16:52:05 Ahh well I thought for nokia pacakages it was different Dec 06 16:52:50 i know about bugs.maemo.org i think i may still email maintainers, i have a feeling anything on bugs.maemo.org is going to get ignored eheh Dec 06 16:53:12 for nokia maintained stuff Dec 06 16:53:40 captlloyd: there are some interesting after-market sound mods for some models, my factory radio had an after-market which tied between the cd and the amp and used a blank cd to activate things Dec 06 16:54:46 I bet mine has a CD changer input I could use Dec 06 16:54:53 I'll look into both of those options, thanks Dec 06 16:55:10 johnnynokia, maemo.org IS Nokia. Dec 06 16:55:25 is it? Dec 06 16:55:39 okay, it is Dec 06 16:55:45 GeneralAntilles, you need to put the tablet down and go get some sun Dec 06 16:55:51 Oh yeh, good, hopefully they won't blow it off thanks. Dec 06 16:55:54 (in the sense that bugs will probably be looked at) Dec 06 16:56:18 You live in Florida and are as white as can be Dec 06 16:56:37 but reporting bugs in closed-source packages on bugs.maemo.org feels wrong to me Dec 06 16:56:50 :-D Dec 06 16:56:57 * Tak pale in florida as well Dec 06 16:57:07 I can only imagine who that is. Dec 06 16:57:37 sorry, I didnt realize I was still a crazy chicken :) Dec 06 16:57:45 hey, my camera works Dec 06 16:57:46 :) Dec 06 16:57:49 * GeneralAntilles color-corrects his ITT photo. :P Dec 06 16:57:54 hehe Dec 06 16:57:58 hehe Dec 06 16:59:41 clever. Dec 06 17:01:50 Hello - anyone here working with/on gmyth? Dec 06 17:01:54 whats clever? Dec 06 17:07:27 penguinb8. ;) Dec 06 17:15:49 ah, its my alternate, for when I get booted off the IRC and when I come back I am still here? Dec 06 17:19:27 The inflection was a little weird on the end of that one. :P Dec 06 17:27:20 re Dec 06 17:27:49 apt-get install doesn't work Dec 06 17:29:27 it ask about a package isn't authenticated Dec 06 17:30:03 but even if i type 'y' or 'Y', it doesn't install the package... Dec 06 17:31:28