**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Dec 12 02:59:57 2007
Dec 12 03:31:34 <Tak> does itos use any kind of standard thing for swap?
Dec 12 03:31:50 <Tak> I see there's no swapon/swapoff
Dec 12 03:32:18 <johnx> I have swapon and swapoff on mine
Dec 12 03:32:24 <johnx> Are you root?
Dec 12 03:33:03 <Tak> hah, they're in /sbin, thanks
Dec 12 04:03:45 <limepi> how could the bluetooth transceiver be haxed so that I can bluejack over long distances
Dec 12 04:07:49 <lopz> re
Dec 12 04:19:50 <Luria> sigh. anyone symlink modest email?
Dec 12 04:19:57 <Luria> to replace the stock one
Dec 12 04:20:01 <Luria> imap idle rocks.
Dec 12 04:21:10 <dragorn> limepi: not easily.  easier to hack usb and use a usb bluetooth device.
Dec 12 04:21:44 <limepi> "easier" is relative
Dec 12 04:22:02 <dragorn> You'd have to take apart the unit
Dec 12 04:22:03 <limepi> the idea is to get someone else to do it for me
Dec 12 04:22:06 <dragorn> and solder on the pcb
Dec 12 04:22:10 <limepi> who actually knows how to do it
Dec 12 04:22:19 <limepi> "lazyweb"
Dec 12 04:22:24 <dragorn> and even then I don't know that the BT chipset can do anything interesting
Dec 12 04:22:38 <dragorn> so, while relative, easier is fairly "easy" to determine
Dec 12 04:54:36 <kulve> guerby: I made a bug about the filemanager
Dec 12 05:17:49 <|R> uhm... newegg has 16GB a-data SDHC cards for 99.99 (+5$ shipping)
Dec 12 05:17:58 <|R> haven't seen such low prices on 16GB card yet...
Dec 12 06:09:06 <Luria> is there an evince deb for chinook?
Dec 12 07:31:30 <vikramb11> anybody there ?
Dec 12 07:32:02 <limepi> no
Dec 12 07:33:11 <kulve> no
Dec 12 08:13:05 <guerby> kulve, thanks for looking into this!
Dec 12 08:14:32 <derf_> lardman|gone: Sorry, I didn't get time tonight. This W3C stuff has kept me annoyingly distracted.
Dec 12 09:03:11 <Khertan_TheReal> Hi
Dec 12 09:05:44 <Spakman_> hey Khertan_TheReal
Dec 12 09:22:11 <AD-N770> bon dia / good morning
Dec 12 09:23:48 <jeddy3> grr, what kind off release time is 10pm brazilian? =P
Dec 12 09:25:02 <X-Fade> jeddy3: That is just 'tomorrow' for us ;)
Dec 12 09:25:15 <jeddy3> X-Fade, indeed
Dec 12 09:25:17 <mbuf> jeddy3, the time when you release and go for a party?
Dec 12 09:26:00 <jeddy3> mbuf, ok thats actually a good reason for it :)
Dec 12 09:28:26 <Spakman_> does anyone know how I can create a desktop plugin that looks like the supplied ones? How do I make it a little transparent?
Dec 12 09:39:08 <Khertan_TheReal> Spakman_ > you are making it in c or in ruby ?
Dec 12 09:39:46 <Spakman_> in runy
Dec 12 09:39:49 <Spakman_> oops, ruby
Dec 12 09:40:11 <Khertan_TheReal> OH !
Dec 12 09:40:18 <Khertan_TheReal> maybe you can help me :)
Dec 12 09:40:26 <Khertan_TheReal> i'm trying to do one too
Dec 12 09:40:29 <Spakman_> I'll try my best...
Dec 12 09:40:41 <Khertan_TheReal> but i ve problem with GLIB::Timeout.add
Dec 12 09:40:56 <Khertan_TheReal> as when my plugin is released ... maemo-desktop crash
Dec 12 09:41:20 <Khertan_TheReal> so i can only make plugin wich doesn't refresh ... too bad !
Dec 12 09:41:37 <Khertan_TheReal> (haven't found too how to make a transparent label)
Dec 12 09:41:50 <Khertan_TheReal> how do you make refresh in your plugin ?
Dec 12 09:43:28 <Sampppa> hey
Dec 12 09:43:42 <Khertan_TheReal> hi Sampppa
Dec 12 09:43:44 <Spakman_> ah, I'm just starting out developing the plugin TBH. I've got an application written that I want it to talk to though.
Dec 12 09:43:44 <Spakman_> Khertan_TheReal: what is it you're doing?
Dec 12 09:43:55 <Sampppa> im flashing os2008 beta for my n800 but i keep getting this error To flash the bootloader, you have to supply the X-Loader image
Dec 12 09:44:00 <Sampppa> is there a solution for this?
Dec 12 09:45:44 <Khertan_TheReal> Spakman_ > i've four plugin in progress (Cpu stats, Mem stats, SD and Home stats, and Net stats)
Dec 12 09:49:47 <Khertan_TheReal> so after init the plugin, i add a glib timer, but when my plugin is released (unselected in plugin selection form) maemo-desktop crash when the timer call the refresh method
Dec 12 09:50:07 <Khertan_TheReal> but as in ruby there isn't destroy method ... i can remove the timer... :(
Dec 12 09:50:10 <Khertan_TheReal> too bad !
Dec 12 09:50:25 <Khertan_TheReal> Spakman_ ?
Dec 12 09:53:32 <Spakman_> Khertan_TheReal: what happens if you just set it to nil?
Dec 12 10:12:18 <Khertan_TheReal> Spakman_ if i set the timeout to nil ?
Dec 12 10:12:27 <Khertan_TheReal> so there is no timeout ?
Dec 12 10:14:30 <Khertan_TheReal> i ve tryed ... no refresh
Dec 12 10:15:15 <Khertan_TheReal> (ps i can't set it to nil when applet is released as in the applet i don't know when the applet is released)
Dec 12 10:18:53 <Spakman_> ah, OK
Dec 12 10:24:46 <guardian> hmm i find the browser so slow :( OS2008/N800
Dec 12 10:25:16 <guardian> i'm browsing maemo.org/downloads, takes age to navigate and display the screenshots etc
Dec 12 10:25:38 <doc|home> guardian: yeah, me too, It's really frustrating at times :/
Dec 12 10:25:40 <kulve> maybe that's because the maemo.rg is slow?
Dec 12 10:25:47 <doc|home> guardian: although that server sucks by the way
Dec 12 10:25:54 <_berto_> kulve: that's probably the reason :)
Dec 12 10:25:59 <jeddy3> kulve, yeah was about to say the same thing...maemo.org is SLOW
Dec 12 10:25:59 <doc|home> but the browser itself can suck at times
Dec 12 10:26:03 <guardian> gonna try with other sites
Dec 12 10:26:12 <guardian> i'm not convinced yet
Dec 12 10:26:29 <kulve> blaming browser to be slow because of one page is a bit.. hasty.
Dec 12 10:26:44 <guardian> well it's not that page only
Dec 12 10:26:54 <guardian> on the same network, the page is ok on my workstation
Dec 12 10:33:37 <guardian> is the N810 faster than the N800 ?
Dec 12 10:34:39 <jeddy3> guardian, no, same hardware iirc
Dec 12 10:34:45 <guardian> ok
Dec 12 10:34:55 <guardian> same memory bus performance issues ?
Dec 12 10:35:09 <sp3000> guardian: long page, fit to width? that can be slow
Dec 12 10:35:52 <jeddy3> guardian, what IS different is that os2007 capped CPU at 330MHz, n810 goes to 400, but n800 with 2008 should do that also
Dec 12 10:36:39 <pupnik_> "Voting is clearly and obviously an activity where fraud should have to be done the good old fashioned ways, and not be made more efficient and convenient with technology" - pupnik
Dec 12 10:37:04 <Wizzard> How to fix this error: im trying apt-get update and getting  "GPG error: http://maemo-hackers.org bora Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 5FD45CD3EA68E29D"  thanks.
Dec 12 10:37:08 <jeddy3> guardian, don't know about memory bus...but i think that nokia has said that the hardware is the same
Dec 12 10:37:19 <pupnik_> guardian: i don't think there's any difference for video speed
Dec 12 10:37:28 <guardian> ok thx
Dec 12 10:37:37 <jeddy3> guardian, besided keyboard and gps and the obvious stuff :)
Dec 12 10:38:24 <vegai> anyone in Europe got their N810s yet?
Dec 12 10:38:30 <pupnik_> Wizzard: maybe like maemo-hackers doesn't have a proper key setup
Dec 12 10:38:33 <vegai> excluding Nokia employees and such
Dec 12 10:38:45 <pupnik_> i heard maybe next week
Dec 12 10:38:57 <pupnik_> .uk has a few in stores
Dec 12 10:39:44 <Wizzard> pupnik_, i have same GPG error with  http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com /
Dec 12 10:42:34 <sarower> hi
Dec 12 10:43:27 <inz> Wizzard, it's only warning for apt (hence the W:)
Dec 12 10:43:45 <sarower> I want to know that..... when email is read in Nokia N800 then where it stores the mail data
Dec 12 10:43:54 <sarower> any body can help..?
Dec 12 10:44:21 <inz> Wizzard, the key used to sign maemo-hackers is http://inz.fi/pubkey.txt
Dec 12 10:44:45 <inz> Wizzard, use apt-key add to add it to apt keychain
Dec 12 10:44:57 <sarower> What is the format the mail data....?
Dec 12 10:45:12 <Wizzard> Okko, thanks
Dec 12 10:46:10 <Okko> wha?
Dec 12 10:46:27 <sarower> I want to get access the mail data of the device........
Dec 12 10:51:06 <rothiel> Hello World :)
Dec 12 10:54:45 * keesj waves to the world
Dec 12 10:55:36 <Veggen> Hmmf. Work motivation. Now I have to look really hard for it...
Dec 12 10:56:03 <Veggen> company I was gonna start in after christmas, is out of business...
Dec 12 10:56:13 <Veggen> Seems like I'm gonna stay where I am now.
Dec 12 10:56:26 <Veggen> But, I *was* gonna have my very last day here on friday.
Dec 12 10:58:02 <Spakman_> anyone know where I can get the SQLite3 command line client?
Dec 12 10:58:06 <Spakman_> for OS2008
Dec 12 11:06:57 <pupnik_> you do network admin Veggen ?
Dec 12 11:07:30 <Veggen> pupnik: Not at the moment.
Dec 12 11:07:56 <Veggen> It's more unix admin, that is more applications on unix than OS stuff.
Dec 12 11:08:11 <pupnik_> hmmm i wonder if it's possible to do unixy/linuxy/isp-y customer support via telecommute
Dec 12 11:08:55 <pupnik_> do your customer support people do telecommute Veggen ?
Dec 12 11:09:10 <pupnik_> i.e. work from home
Dec 12 11:09:24 <Veggen> nope-
Dec 12 11:09:43 <pupnik_> hrm seems like an obvious cost saver
Dec 12 11:22:59 <alterego> I'm guessing none  of the 500 have got their codes workin'?
Dec 12 11:23:33 <sarower> I want to know that..... when email is read in Nokia N800 then where it stores the mail data
Dec 12 11:23:57 <sarower> I want to get access the mail data of the device........
Dec 12 11:24:06 <sarower> What is the format the mail data....?
Dec 12 11:24:09 <sarower> any body can help..?
Dec 12 11:24:11 <alterego> Seeing the N810 in the UK store and not being able  to buy it is evil :/
Dec 12 11:24:47 <alterego> sarower, probably in the home directory somewhere
Dec 12 11:24:56 <sarower> yes...
Dec 12 11:25:37 <hahlo> Is there howto for Pidgin privoxy tor? (os2007)
Dec 12 11:26:08 <sarower> alterego: I have got it under "/home/user/apps/email/Mail" directory
Dec 12 11:26:17 <pupnik_> that would be useful hahlo - when on public wlans
Dec 12 11:26:32 <hahlo> yes
Dec 12 11:26:37 <alterego> sarower: congrats
Dec 12 11:26:43 <sarower> it is in xml  format..
Dec 12 11:26:52 <alterego> Woo ..
Dec 12 11:26:56 <sarower> but the value is encrypted
Dec 12 11:27:09 <alterego> You think.
Dec 12 11:27:51 <sarower> alterego: Is there any API so that I can get the email in the Inbox, Outbox, Drafts, Sent.. etc
Dec 12 11:28:11 <sarower> I am using C++
Dec 12 11:28:19 <alterego> No
Dec 12 11:28:44 <sarower> Altergo: Then I must parse the XML file to get the data...
Dec 12 11:29:45 <alterego> Yes,
Dec 12 11:30:19 <sarower> Alterego: Do you know how I can launch an application like email application in OSSO C++/ maemomm?
Dec 12 11:31:29 <zpol> hello
Dec 12 11:33:09 <alterego> sarower I don't like C++. To launch a program you must call it via its' D-BUS service.
Dec 12 11:34:14 <sarower> May I have your mail address please! so that I can contact with u..!
Dec 12 11:34:25 <alterego> No
Dec 12 11:34:36 <sarower> I mean i want to use D-bus service in the programming..?
Dec 12 11:34:53 <sarower> I have to use... Dbus service
Dec 12 11:34:56 <alterego> I'm not tech support sarower
Dec 12 11:34:58 <sarower> to do that..!
Dec 12 11:35:51 <alterego> You should read the maemo tutorial sarower  ..
Dec 12 11:36:03 <sarower> yes............
Dec 12 11:36:10 <alterego> You should read the training material too.
Dec 12 11:36:21 <sarower> right........
Dec 12 11:36:26 <sarower> where it is?
Dec 12 11:37:13 <alterego> Coming in here and asking these silly questions after not even looking at how the platform is put together is  quite rude in my opinion.
Dec 12 11:37:47 <alterego> Where is anythingly related to maemo ..
Dec 12 11:40:13 <sarower> As the mail data is encrypted .. how can i get the real data (Decrypted).....alterego.?
Dec 12 11:44:01 <Khertan_TheReal> ALTEREGO !!!!
Dec 12 11:44:06 <Khertan_TheReal> hi :)
Dec 12 11:44:20 <Khertan_TheReal> maybe u can help me :)
Dec 12 11:45:10 <alterego> Can you wait a few  mins khertan i need breakfast :)
Dec 12 11:45:19 <Khertan_TheReal> ok ... no prob ... ill too :)
Dec 12 11:45:44 <Khertan_TheReal> i'm not hurry (2 day that my maemo-desktop crash due to try with ruby ;) )
Dec 12 11:46:07 <Khertan_TheReal> so ... don't know how to say it in english : Bon appetit !
Dec 12 11:46:14 <Khertan_TheReal> ;)
Dec 12 11:46:21 <Khertan_TheReal> i ll be back
Dec 12 11:53:07 <lardman> morning
Dec 12 12:02:38 <pupnik_> braaaak
Dec 12 12:04:05 <lardman> it's very quiet this morning
Dec 12 12:06:08 <X-Fade__> All waiting for Canola2 and N810, I guess.
Dec 12 12:06:53 <lardman> 3 days...
Dec 12 12:07:34 <alterego> Khertan_TheReal, you're using 0.4.0 right?
Dec 12 12:07:44 <lardman> derf: did you get a chance to look at the byte reading code?
Dec 12 12:08:02 <alterego> Code that reads bytes? That's hard ;)
Dec 12 12:08:20 <lardman> alterego: I'll point you at it if you want a crack
Dec 12 12:09:26 <lardman> alterego: http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/dsp/vorbisdec/Tremor-threaded/framing.c
Dec 12 12:09:28 * alterego should be quiet and just eat his breakfast like a good boy.
Dec 12 12:09:33 <lardman> :)
Dec 12 12:10:01 <lardman> it is probably reasonably simple - reading various sizes of data from an ogg_buffer
Dec 12 12:10:12 <lardman> I just need to sit down and work out what's going wrong
Dec 12 12:13:01 <alterego> Sure if you know how big those chunks are.
Dec 12 12:13:36 <lardman> yeah, there are different functions to read different sized chunks
Dec 12 12:13:39 <alterego> Not knowing anything about ogg format ..
Dec 12 12:13:54 <alterego> Is this some kind of variable bityrate thing?
Dec 12 12:14:07 <lardman> that doesn't matter, this is utility code which is used to read structures out of the ogg page/stream thingy
Dec 12 12:14:25 <lardman> it currently returns zeros
Dec 12 12:14:45 <lardman> I'm not sure if the problem is the reading code or the buffer itself, will have to do some more debugging to work it out
Dec 12 12:15:04 <alterego> Right.
Dec 12 12:15:20 <lardman> :(
Dec 12 12:16:18 <lardman> need to write some code to allow me to send back chunks of memory to the ARM without disrupting the Tremor decoder, great!
Dec 12 12:17:36 * alterego thinks of somthing to do.
Dec 12 12:18:59 <alterego> Need to get 0.4.1 out-the-window ..
Dec 12 12:19:15 <lardman> defenestrated?
Dec 12 12:19:24 <alterego> Sorry?
Dec 12 12:19:30 <lardman> out the window ;)
Dec 12 12:19:43 <alterego> :)
Dec 12 12:23:53 <alterego> Interwesting.
Dec 12 12:24:54 <Khertan_TheReal> re
Dec 12 12:25:18 <alterego> Khertan_TheReal, you're using 0.4.0 right?
Dec 12 12:25:30 <alterego> That was a pretty unstable version of hildon/desktop
Dec 12 12:25:36 <Khertan_TheReal> hum i ll look
Dec 12 12:25:40 <alterego> 0.4.1 will be available shortly.
Dec 12 12:26:10 <Khertan_TheReal> it s not instable if don't do nawak
Dec 12 12:26:15 <alterego> I know 0.4.0 kills the desktop. I've done it a fair few times ;)
Dec 12 12:26:32 <Khertan_TheReal> the problem is that if i want to refresh my widget
Dec 12 12:26:47 <alterego> Khertan_TheReal, you're obviously getting exceptions. That's what's causing the crashes.
Dec 12 12:26:49 <Khertan_TheReal> i call a refresh method by a GLIB::Timeout.add()
Dec 12 12:27:42 <alterego> Having said that, I've not touched statusbar yet ..
Dec 12 12:27:50 <alterego> Tested ..
Dec 12 12:27:51 <Khertan_TheReal> alterego > yes i think a exception is raise when my widget is unselect do to the fact that the method called by the timeout doesn't exist anymore
Dec 12 12:28:02 <alterego> Right
Dec 12 12:28:16 <alterego> 0.4.1 stops crashes and reports errors.
Dec 12 12:28:36 <Khertan_TheReal> but if i understand there is no destroy method on ruby called when a object is destroy
Dec 12 12:29:00 <Khertan_TheReal> 0.4.1 stops crashes and reports errors. > cool, but there will be still an error :)
Dec 12 12:29:19 <alterego> That's to help you fix the bug :P
Dec 12 12:29:34 <Khertan_TheReal> its ll help for future bug :)
Dec 12 12:29:56 <alterego> Currently the reporting method is a big messy.
Dec 12 12:29:59 <alterego> I want to improve it.
Dec 12 12:30:13 <alterego> That's basically all that's holding up 0.4.1
Dec 12 12:30:17 <Khertan_TheReal> but how can i know when my plugin is removed so i can call GLib::Timeout.remove()
Dec 12 12:30:28 <alterego> Hmm ..
Dec 12 12:32:29 <alterego> Ah, that's a bug in my code.
Dec 12 12:32:33 <alterego> I'll fix that too.
Dec 12 12:32:39 <Khertan_TheReal> it s seems that in the c api .... the second parameter of the register method is the unregister too
Dec 12 12:32:46 <Khertan_TheReal> a bug ?
Dec 12 12:32:57 <alterego> I don't have a plugin destroy/cleanup method ..
Dec 12 12:33:06 <alterego> Must have slipped my mind ;)
Dec 12 12:33:07 <Khertan_TheReal> so it ll automatically destroy it ?
Dec 12 12:33:11 <Khertan_TheReal> lol
Dec 12 12:33:26 <Khertan_TheReal> great ... nothing to do ... it ll be easier
Dec 12 12:33:30 <alterego> :)
Dec 12 12:34:01 <Khertan_TheReal> an other question ... is there a way to make transparent background with a gtk.label ?
Dec 12 12:34:16 <alterego> Good question.
Dec 12 12:34:26 <alterego> As far as I know, All Gtk widgets can have the alpha set.
Dec 12 12:34:31 <alterego> But I don't entirely know how.
Dec 12 12:35:13 <alterego> That's more of a Gtk question though. You'd probably do better asking them or googling for "Gtk transparency" or something.
Dec 12 12:35:22 <mgedmin> aren't gtk labels already transparent?
Dec 12 12:36:17 <Spakman_> Khertan_TheReal: I'd love to know if you find out :)
Dec 12 12:36:42 <Spakman_> ah, just read alterego's reply - doh!
Dec 12 12:38:01 <Khertan_TheReal> That's more of a Gtk > but as you seem to well know gtk :)
Dec 12 12:38:09 <Khertan_TheReal> right :)
Dec 12 12:38:20 <Khertan_TheReal> i ll look a bit more on google
Dec 12 12:39:08 <Khertan_TheReal> mgedmin> on widget made with gtk and ruby gtk::label background is blank
Dec 12 12:39:25 <Khertan_TheReal> s/blank/white
Dec 12 12:39:59 <mgedmin> I think the background is drawn by the parent widget (the window?) rather than the label itself
Dec 12 12:40:03 <mgedmin> but I might be wrong
Dec 12 12:40:48 <alterego> mgedmin, it's slightly different with plugins I believe.
Dec 12 12:41:11 <mgedmin> statusbar/homepage plugins, you mean?
Dec 12 12:41:23 <alterego> status-bar/home/navigator yes :)
Dec 12 12:41:46 <alterego> I'd love to see a useful navigator plugin.
Dec 12 12:42:09 <alterego> Maybe replace the web item with a favorites application menu.
Dec 12 12:42:28 <alterego> Though, it should still have the browser launcher and a sub menu for the bookmarks,.
Dec 12 12:42:37 <mgedmin> I know how to make a label with a transparent background for a plugin that sits in the gnome system tray
Dec 12 12:42:59 <Khertan_TheReal> i'm interested
Dec 12 12:43:10 <Khertan_TheReal> bkshfsdkfh
Dec 12 12:43:13 <Khertan_TheReal> how ?
Dec 12 12:43:13 * mgedmin looking
Dec 12 12:43:42 <mgedmin> I create an EggTrayIcon, put a gtk.HBox inside with an gtk.Image (transparent png) next to a gtk.Label
Dec 12 12:43:48 <mgedmin> then call show_all
Dec 12 12:43:53 <mgedmin> no special code to enable transparency
Dec 12 12:43:59 <mgedmin> I think EggTrayIcon does all the hard stuff
Dec 12 12:44:16 <Khertan_TheReal> EggTrayIcon ... ? don't know
Dec 12 12:45:23 <mgedmin> it's not a solution for maemo, I know that
Dec 12 12:45:44 <mgedmin> although I did check to see how the load applet and panelclock implemented transparency on maemo
Dec 12 12:45:53 <mgedmin> they use gtk Images with transparent backgrounds
Dec 12 12:46:17 <mgedmin> both are statusbar applets
Dec 12 12:53:03 <|tbb|> anyone knows where to download canola-beta2
Dec 12 12:53:48 <bedboi> |tbb|: it's not available yet
Dec 12 12:54:08 <bedboi> you have to wait for 10pm brazilian time
Dec 12 12:56:48 <Khertan_TheReal> Spakman_ > what is the function of the widget you are trying to do ?
Dec 12 13:00:02 <tbb> re
Dec 12 13:00:24 <tbb> whats brazil time in europe time(berlin)
Dec 12 13:01:05 <X-Fade> tbb: Tomorrow morning..
Dec 12 13:01:21 <tbb> could anyone tell me what are the most pro advantages of the modest email client instead of the built in or claws
Dec 12 13:01:42 <X-Fade> tbb: It actually works ;)
Dec 12 13:02:37 <Khertan_TheReal> tbb: it work ... doen't crash because my box have 15000msg
Dec 12 13:02:39 <X-Fade> tbb: imap folders work great, better use of screen.
Dec 12 13:02:44 <Khertan_TheReal> and support imap offline
Dec 12 13:03:34 <Khertan_TheReal> use less data to sync ...
Dec 12 13:04:16 <Khertan_TheReal> and really made for a mobile usage
Dec 12 13:14:23 <tbb> thx, will try it
Dec 12 13:15:36 <Spakman_> Khertan_TheReal: it will be a search interface to my mapping application
Dec 12 13:16:04 <alterego> Buy more butter!
Dec 12 13:18:52 <alterego> Great, another mapping application :P
Dec 12 13:20:22 <Spakman_> alterego: FWIW, this one uses proprietry maps and is just for me :P
Dec 12 13:20:34 <alterego> How selfish :P
Dec 12 13:20:50 <alterego> What's your map source?
Dec 12 13:21:02 <alterego> On a different note. I started coding my own maps application too ..
Dec 12 13:21:06 <alterego> ^_^
Dec 12 13:21:47 <Spakman_> alterego: OS
Dec 12 13:21:59 <alterego> Oh, cool.
Dec 12 13:22:05 <alterego> How much did you pay for those?
Dec 12 13:22:08 <alterego> (If you paid)
Dec 12 13:22:35 <alterego> Or did you just scan them in ;)
Dec 12 13:23:17 <Khertan_TheReal> alterego > an other question about ruby ... is there a help() function like in python ?
Dec 12 13:23:53 <Khertan_TheReal> (this help function call help about what is in between () ...)
Dec 12 13:24:30 <Spakman_> alterego: scanned 'em
Dec 12 13:24:51 <Khertan_TheReal> (for example : help(gtk.label) give method, attribute, constant, and mainly ... explain about all methods)
Dec 12 13:25:00 <Spakman_> I guess the engine could be used for the online maps, a la Maemo Mapper, etc.
Dec 12 13:25:13 <Spakman_> alterego: what does your map app use?
Dec 12 13:26:56 <alterego> Khertan_TheReal, in irb you can use 'help' but that requires the rdoc docs to be compiled.
Dec 12 13:27:36 <alterego> It would be 'help 'Gtk::Label;
Dec 12 13:27:39 <alterego> It would be 'help 'Gtk::Label'
Dec 12 13:27:48 <Khertan_TheReal> oki ...
Dec 12 13:27:54 <alterego> But I've not compiled rdoc. Because rdocs for C bindings are a pain in the ass.
Dec 12 13:28:11 <alterego> Your best bet is looking at the API references for Gtk at ruby-gnome2.sourceforge.jp
Dec 12 13:28:26 <alterego> I know my binding documentation is crap. Maybe I'll have time over Christmas.
Dec 12 13:28:40 <Khertan_TheReal> if only we can have python binding for maemo-desktop .... look what we can port easily : http://adesklets.sourceforge.net/desklets.html
Dec 12 13:28:41 <Khertan_TheReal> ;)
Dec 12 13:28:56 <Khertan_TheReal> alterego > rdoc isn't a priority i think
Dec 12 13:29:21 <Khertan_TheReal> i ll download api reference and read it with microb
Dec 12 13:29:22 <alterego> Sure, I'm happy to answer questions about how things work via email or here.
Dec 12 13:29:40 <alterego> My priority right now is making it stable and testing it all.
Dec 12 13:29:48 <Khertan_TheReal> :)
Dec 12 13:29:57 <alterego> Stable and complete.
Dec 12 13:30:11 <alterego> My bindings for hildon are pretty good, but I lack support for other libraries.
Dec 12 13:30:12 <Khertan_TheReal> and ... many thanks for your great and usefull answers :)
Dec 12 13:30:28 <alterego> There's no true dbus library for Ruby so it looks Iike I'm gonna have to write that one myself O_O
Dec 12 13:30:33 <Tak> hooray!
Dec 12 13:30:46 <Khertan_TheReal> you are the only one to port ruby ?
Dec 12 13:31:11 <alterego> I'm the only ruby-maemo developer. Tak does ruby-game, but I've not had a chance to play with that.
Dec 12 13:31:24 <Tak> anybody happen to know if there's a way to prompt rexml to quote attributes with double quotes?
Dec 12 13:31:26 <alterego> Tak, I got your email, yes that slipped my mind ;) I'll sort it out this evening :D
Dec 12 13:31:35 <Tak> alterego: no problem, no hurry
Dec 12 13:31:52 <alterego> Why would you want to force double quotes?
Dec 12 13:32:21 <Tak> to keep as much compatibility as possible with the output of the previous implementation, even where it /shouldn't/ matter
Dec 12 13:32:32 <alterego> Heh
Dec 12 13:33:55 <alterego> To be hones. I think showing up bugs in other peoples code is benificial ;)
Dec 12 13:34:08 <alterego> Though, if it's compatibility with your own code .. Well, that's different ;)
Dec 12 13:34:09 <Tak> only when they're likely to fix them ;-)
Dec 12 13:34:26 <Tak> nah, not my code - I'm using rexml on both sides
Dec 12 13:34:39 <alterego> Then it should work fine ..
Dec 12 13:35:29 <alterego> Well, do answer your question. The only way is to override the 'to_string' method.
Dec 12 13:36:03 <alterego> That's odd, REXML uses a regular expression, just to test for a single character.
Dec 12 13:36:26 <alterego> I wonder if that's an attempt at being UTF capable.
Dec 12 13:37:21 <alterego> Anyhow, the 'Attrubyte#to_string' method is only a five line method. So it's really no biggy to copy and paste it into your app and override it with double quotes.
Dec 12 13:37:46 <Tak> interesting typo
Dec 12 13:38:26 <alterego> Hah
Dec 12 13:38:37 <alterego> Attr, Ruby, Byte ..
Dec 12 13:38:41 <alterego> That's pretty cool
Dec 12 13:40:48 <Tak> hmm, so looking at that, I should be able to set Element::context[:attribute_quote]
Dec 12 13:45:29 <Tak> s/Element/Document/
Dec 12 13:45:29 * Tak stabs infobot
Dec 12 13:45:29 <infobot> Tak meant: hmm, so looking at that, I should be able to set Document::context[:attribute_quote]
Dec 12 13:49:00 <Tak> Stabbing: It Always Helps.
Dec 12 14:11:52 <gw280> is there a way of getting bitmap fonts in osso-xterm?
Dec 12 14:13:45 <inz> gw, AFAIK any font supported by pango/fontconfig should work
Dec 12 14:14:05 <gw280> ok
Dec 12 14:14:10 <gw280> how do you install fonts then? :)
Dec 12 14:14:11 <Sampppa> hey.. i got an invitation tuo upload to extras but now there is a problem when filling that invitation with my gpg and ssh keys. What kind of gpg key it should be? It just doesnt allow my public gpg key whic is 1024D DSA. I keep getting Error: the key you provided is not a valid PGP or GPG public key
Dec 12 14:14:24 <inz> gw, try putting the font to ~/.fonts (i.e. /home/user/.fonts)
Dec 12 14:15:28 <Tak> Sampppa: mine's 1024D as well, and it accepted it ok
Dec 12 14:16:43 <Sampppa> did you just export the key to a file and copypasted it to invitation page?
Dec 12 14:18:55 <Tak> as far as I can remember
Dec 12 14:20:05 <Sampppa> Tak: -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
Dec 12 14:20:06 <Sampppa> Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux)
Dec 12 14:20:14 <Sampppa> is it correct version ?
Dec 12 14:21:25 <Spakman_> do I need to do anything special to enable the on-screen thumb keyboard in my Hildon app? I only get the stylus keyboard :(
Dec 12 14:21:33 <Tak> -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----(newline)Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux)
Dec 12 14:21:38 <Tak> is the header of mine
Dec 12 14:21:45 <maddler> Sampppa: you have to create a RSA key, IIRC
Dec 12 14:22:02 <Khertan_TheReal> noone know a php that create and maintain a debian repository and where we can add a .deb by php to the repository ? :)
Dec 12 14:22:03 <Tak> Spakman_: push with your thumb?
Dec 12 14:22:33 <Khertan_TheReal> Tak> not on os2008
Dec 12 14:22:35 <Khertan_TheReal> :)
Dec 12 14:22:51 <Spakman_> Tak: doesn't want to work for my app
Dec 12 14:22:55 <Spakman_> (2008)
Dec 12 14:23:12 <L0cutus> does exists gnupg for os2008 ?
Dec 12 14:23:18 <Tak> heh, can't say for 2008
Dec 12 14:23:24 <Khertan_TheReal> Spakman_ use the ok button (center button of the dpad) when focus is a text field
Dec 12 14:24:01 <L0cutus> ops
Dec 12 14:24:04 <L0cutus> found it
Dec 12 14:24:05 <L0cutus> :)
Dec 12 14:24:23 <Spakman_> Khertan_TheReal: that OK's the dialog for me, like hitting enter
Dec 12 14:24:23 <Khertan_TheReal> L0cutus found what ?
Dec 12 14:24:51 <Khertan_TheReal> lol ... don't do it in a dialog windows :)
Dec 12 14:25:01 <Khertan_TheReal> (it s the same problem with gpe)
Dec 12 14:25:20 <Khertan_TheReal> in fact there is a bug in 2008 displaying the thumb keyboard by pression
Dec 12 14:25:44 <L0cutus> khertan, gpg (command line)
Dec 12 14:27:33 <Khertan_TheReal> there is a prefs too for launching thumb keyboard with center dpad button
Dec 12 14:30:23 <Sampppa> maddler: i cant create RSA key. when i type gpg --gen-key and select RSA and go trough the steps it finally says: gpg: [internal]:0: invalid algorithm
Dec 12 14:30:33 <alterego> The thumb board is feckin' annoying ..
Dec 12 14:30:41 * Tak <3 the thumb board
Dec 12 14:31:10 <alterego> It's good for IM ..
Dec 12 14:31:25 <alterego> Rubbish in xterm, it's broken.
Dec 12 14:31:34 <alterego> Though, more likely xterm is broken.
Dec 12 14:31:38 <L0cutus> no claws-mail plugin for gnupg....
Dec 12 14:32:30 <Spakman_> is there a way to programatically bring up the thumb keyboard?
Dec 12 14:34:08 <Tak> probably - check out the HIM docs
Dec 12 14:36:26 <alterego> Urgh, it's being one of those days.
Dec 12 14:36:30 <alterego> Can't seem to get anything done.
Dec 12 14:36:57 <Tak> btw, are you going to want to host rgvkb, or should I host it on garage?
Dec 12 14:36:59 <Sampppa> hmm only DSA algorithm is supported on my gpg ?
Dec 12 14:40:34 <timeless> hello world
Dec 12 14:40:37 <timeless> could someone please help me?
Dec 12 14:40:45 <timeless> i'm looking for the repositories that 2007he uses
Dec 12 14:42:02 <Tak> timeless: like...apt repos?
Dec 12 14:42:11 <alterego> Tak, up to you. I'd be happy to host it.
Dec 12 14:42:12 <Tak> or source control?
Dec 12 14:42:18 <alterego> Which reminds me.
Dec 12 14:42:33 <alterego> I should really put in you in the ruby-maemo apt repository.
Dec 12 14:42:40 <timeless> tak: apt
Dec 12 14:42:58 <Tak> alterego: the only reason I'd ask you to host is to keep all the ruby stuff in one place
Dec 12 14:43:03 <Tak> timeless: we just use the bora repos
Dec 12 14:43:21 <alterego> Tak, yeah. I think that's a good idea. But it's your baby ;)
Dec 12 14:43:25 <timeless> tak: ok, how do i find out the versions of all packages "shipped" in all 2007he_s_ ?
Dec 12 14:43:44 <Tak> hah
Dec 12 14:43:54 <Tak> step 1, flash 2007HE...
Dec 12 14:44:11 <timeless> repeat step 1 how many times?
Dec 12 14:44:22 <alterego> I thought 2007HE used the 2007 repository.
Dec 12 14:44:25 <Tak> until you don't get infinite reboot loop anymore
Dec 12 14:44:26 <alterego> "bora"
Dec 12 14:44:30 <Tak> it does
Dec 12 14:44:56 <timeless> so....
Dec 12 14:45:03 <timeless> how many 2007he's are there?
Dec 12 14:45:14 <sp3000> oh, look a modest
Dec 12 14:45:19 <timeless> a modest/
Dec 12 14:45:22 <timeless> did it announce itself?
Dec 12 14:46:07 <timeless> gah, why is it so hard to find the 2007he download flash?
Dec 12 14:46:11 <sp3000> yeah, http://djcbflux.blogspot.com/
Dec 12 14:46:20 <Tak> there have been three releases iirc
Dec 12 14:46:52 <X-Fade> timeless: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/
Dec 12 14:46:57 <sp3000> timeless: looks like http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ has all
Dec 12 14:47:11 <Tak> http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/os2007_hacker_edition.php?f=SU-18_2007HACKER_4.2007.45-1_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin
Dec 12 14:49:19 <Tak> then dpkg -l '*' | grep '^ii' | awk '{ print $2" "$3 }' should get you installed packages and versions ;-)
Dec 12 14:49:32 <Sampppa> maddler: where does it say it has to be RSA key?
Dec 12 14:50:12 <timeless> tak: don't suppose you have a convenient way to do that for me?
Dec 12 14:50:53 <Tak> more convenient that a one-liner?
Dec 12 14:51:02 <timeless> that'd require reflashing the device
Dec 12 14:51:05 <Tak> ah
Dec 12 14:51:09 <timeless> (finding it first, etc.)
Dec 12 14:51:19 <Tak> I could run it on my device, but I have extra stuff installed
Dec 12 14:52:00 <Tak> I guess it might be possible to extract the rootfs, chroot into it, and do that
Dec 12 14:53:20 <jumpula> dpkg --get-selections
Dec 12 14:55:35 <lardman> re
Dec 12 15:07:37 <Sampppa> still  it doesn accept my key. i made RSA key now
Dec 12 15:07:54 <Sampppa> Error: the key you provided is not a valid PGP or GPG public key
Dec 12 15:16:17 <Tak> alterego: you have any thoughts on http://rafb.net/p/zvKepu37.html ?
Dec 12 15:16:35 <Tak> I get that in sbox, and on the device, but not on a desktop install
Dec 12 15:17:39 <sp3000> timeless: I guess the mounting thing would, but I can't get mtdram to give me a bigger than 100MB ramdisk, which in this one random cases seems to have meant that /var/lib/dpkg/status isn't there
Dec 12 15:17:56 <alterego> Eesh
Dec 12 15:17:59 <alterego> Bug in REXML
Dec 12 15:18:00 <Khertan_TheReal> "RT73 Injection patch Drivers for 2K8
Dec 12 15:18:11 <timeless> nice
Dec 12 15:18:11 <Khertan_TheReal> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=107711#post107711
Dec 12 15:18:14 <alterego> I think I've seen this before.
Dec 12 15:18:16 <Khertan_TheReal> have u see the last post
Dec 12 15:18:24 <alterego> I think it happened to me a while back.
Dec 12 15:18:31 <Tak> you know of a workaround?
Dec 12 15:18:53 <alterego> I think you're supposed to use the REXML::Formatter class for outputing documents.
Dec 12 15:19:05 <alterego> You'd probably do better asking on the ruby-lang mailing lists or #ruby-lang ..
Dec 12 15:27:02 <Disconnect> anyone else having touchscreen problems on their n800? just cuts out periodically, generally for a while, and always about 30-45 seconds after the it finishes booting.. (so - eg - enough time to launch an app, not enough to do anything in it)
Dec 12 15:27:13 <Disconnect> feels like software somewhere just cuz of the repeatability during boot
Dec 12 15:30:09 <Khertan_TheReal> Disconnect > It s not a touchscreen problem
Dec 12 15:30:23 <Khertan_TheReal> it s again this stupid meta crawler daemon
Dec 12 15:30:41 <Khertan_TheReal> which scan all your sd at boot
Dec 12 15:30:55 <Khertan_TheReal> (in fact each time it is launched)
Dec 12 15:31:34 <Disconnect> fun
Dec 12 15:31:59 <Khertan_TheReal> take a look here ://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=978
Dec 12 15:32:02 <Khertan_TheReal> http :)
Dec 12 15:32:10 <Khertan_TheReal> there is a solution ... :)
Dec 12 15:32:50 <Spakman_> I'd like to bring my application to the front programatically. Any ideas where to start looking?
Dec 12 15:32:51 <Disconnect> coool. (and i suspect its unhappy at scanning all the mapper files. got the majority of new york to key west to new orleans in there..)
Dec 12 15:33:11 <sp3000> didn't mapper migrate to some db thinger
Dec 12 15:33:28 <timeless> yes
Dec 12 15:33:42 <Khertan_TheReal> Spakman_ launch it again with dbus services
Dec 12 15:33:45 <sp3000> that oughta help
Dec 12 15:33:54 * sp3000 rather likes files, but, meh
Dec 12 15:33:55 <Khertan_TheReal> if it wasn't launch , it ll be launch
Dec 12 15:34:07 <Khertan_TheReal> if not ... it ll be back to front
Dec 12 15:34:22 <Khertan_TheReal> ??
Dec 12 15:34:37 <timeless> shh
Dec 12 15:34:40 <Spakman_> Khertan_TheReal: thanks a lot, I'll start looking
Dec 12 15:35:19 <Khertan_TheReal> ./whois khertan_
Dec 12 15:35:22 <Khertan_TheReal> grrr
Dec 12 15:36:36 <Khertan_TheReal> ctcp khertan VERSION
Dec 12 15:36:37 <Khertan_TheReal> arfg
Dec 12 15:36:49 <Khertan_TheReal> sorry
Dec 12 15:38:55 <Disconnect> hmm. that report basically says its fixed in 2008 .. but it isn't (at least on mine) :(
Dec 12 15:39:08 <Khertan_TheReal> same thing on mine
Dec 12 15:39:28 <Khertan_TheReal> maybe fix on a more update version of 2008
Dec 12 15:41:00 <Disconnect> oooh. wait. it says its fixed in the latest 2007.
Dec 12 15:41:13 <Disconnect> but that wasn't true either :(
Dec 12 15:45:22 <Tak> alterego: I think I'm just going to do: if(MAEMO) plain output else prettyprint
Dec 12 15:46:02 <alterego> Oh yes .. Pretty print, that was exactly what happened to me.
Dec 12 15:48:17 <Tak> meh, my headphone port is messed up - I /really/ hope it's these headphones
Dec 12 15:49:04 <Tak> hmm...it's nice to not have an extra dependency, but the ruby version of this script is a lot slower than the perl version :-/
Dec 12 15:52:56 <Spakman_> alterego: I'm trying to get my Ruby app working with DBUS, but trying to launch it just seems to restart the whole GUI. Is there are way to register a DBUS service in Ruby?
Dec 12 15:53:40 <alterego> OSSO
Dec 12 15:54:12 <Spakman_> thanks
Dec 12 15:55:14 <alterego> There is no D-BUS library for Ruby
Dec 12 15:55:22 <alterego> OSSO works for simple things.
Dec 12 15:55:53 <Khertan_TheReal> it s seems i ve forgotten to close two of my ssh irssi session :)
Dec 12 15:57:10 <robtaylor> alterego: https://trac.luon.net/ruby-dbus
Dec 12 15:57:17 <robtaylor> alterego: looks pretty real to me ;)
Dec 12 15:57:30 <alterego> robtaylor, as real as dbus-send.
Dec 12 15:57:37 <robtaylor> alterego: no, read the code
Dec 12 15:57:59 <robtaylor> alterego: from a quick skim, it looks like a complete ruby implementation of dbus
Dec 12 15:58:05 <alterego> robtaylor, my point is it's a pure ruby implementation. It's not a proper binding and it doesn't work well with OSSO. Well, at all.
Dec 12 15:58:21 <robtaylor> alterego: umm, nothing wrond with a pure ruby impl
Dec 12 15:58:24 <alterego> So, you're stuck with using one or the other.
Dec 12 15:58:28 <robtaylor> alterego: no reason it shouldn't work
Dec 12 15:58:50 <alterego> I included that library in my first ruby-maemo release.
Dec 12 15:58:55 <alterego> Believe me, I've used it.
Dec 12 15:59:00 <robtaylor> alterego: there's absolutely nothing about dbus that forces languages to bind to libdbus
Dec 12 15:59:00 <alterego> It's a POS.
Dec 12 15:59:07 <robtaylor> alterego: what version?
Dec 12 15:59:21 <Khertan_TheReal> Spakman > an other way i do ... in pygtkeditor ...
Dec 12 15:59:22 <alterego> What version of what?
Dec 12 15:59:37 <robtaylor> alterego:ruby-dbus
Dec 12 15:59:39 <Khertan_TheReal> create a script that launch your application.rb in /bin
Dec 12 15:59:54 <alterego> The version that was around 3 or 4 months ago when I first started ruby-maemo ..
Dec 12 16:00:02 <Khertan_TheReal> create a service file /usr/share/things/truc/application.services
Dec 12 16:00:39 <robtaylor> alterego: well, as a dbus guy looking at their code, it looks good to me
Dec 12 16:00:42 <Khertan_TheReal> and create an osso context in your app at launch
Dec 12 16:00:45 <robtaylor> alterego: definitly not a POS
Dec 12 16:01:06 <alterego> Well, you can use it then.
Dec 12 16:01:15 <Khertan_TheReal> and when i call pygtkeditor in xterm and is allready launched ... it bring back to front
Dec 12 16:01:26 <robtaylor> alterego: what issues did you have exactly?
Dec 12 16:01:26 <Khertan_TheReal> Spakman_ > just my two cents... :)
Dec 12 16:01:32 <alterego> I told you,
Dec 12 16:01:46 <alterego> You can't use Ruby-DBUS and ruby-OSSO together.
Dec 12 16:01:48 <robtaylor> alterego: you've said a couple of times its just a wrapper round dbus-send which is bull
Dec 12 16:01:56 <alterego> Which means you lose out on a _lot_ of functionality.
Dec 12 16:02:05 <robtaylor> alterego: ah, now, that makes sense
Dec 12 16:02:15 <Khertan_TheReal> Spakman_ > do u have found how to make transparent gtk::label ?
Dec 12 16:02:19 <alterego> I never said it was a wrapper around dbus-send.
Dec 12 16:02:28 <robtaylor> alterego: actually it should work as each will get a seperate bus connection
Dec 12 16:02:48 <robtaylor> alterego: I guess the biggest problem will be in terms of mainloop usage
Dec 12 16:02:56 <alterego> I don't think it did work when I tried it. That's why I removed it.
Dec 12 16:03:01 <robtaylor> alterego: does ruby-OSSo use a glib mainloop?
Dec 12 16:03:10 <alterego> Of course.
Dec 12 16:03:24 <alterego> I suppose they could add a hook into the main loop ..
Dec 12 16:03:43 <robtaylor> alterego: yep, thats all thats needed
Dec 12 16:05:39 <robtaylor> alterego: Connection::glibize
Dec 12 16:05:46 <robtaylor> alterego: seems its there
Dec 12 16:05:58 <alterego> I'll look into that at some point.
Dec 12 16:06:13 <alterego> robtaylor, thanks ;)
Dec 12 16:06:49 <robtaylor> alterego: though there is some kinda wierd errors I can see. It shouldn't be returning that introspection that it is
Dec 12 16:07:08 <robtaylor> alterego: hey, just though i'd actually take a look at the code for once ;)
Dec 12 16:07:24 <alterego> Heh
Dec 12 16:07:41 <alterego> If there are just trivial flaws in ruby-dbus I don't mind fixing it.
Dec 12 16:08:07 <alterego> I can't remember what errors I was getting and what exactly I was attempting to do.
Dec 12 16:08:20 <alterego> But I'll certainly look back at it as an option.
Dec 12 16:11:08 <Tak> why do you want to make a transparent gtk label?
Dec 12 16:11:15 <zwnj> oki
Dec 12 16:11:23 <Khertan_TheReal> Tak ... because ... :)
Dec 12 16:11:33 <Khertan_TheReal> a home-desktop applet
Dec 12 16:11:49 <Spakman_> Khertan_TheReal: I've tried out your suggestion, but the GUI crashes and restarts as soon as I try to start the app when I have the service line in my .desktop :(
Dec 12 16:11:52 <Spakman_> any thoughts?
Dec 12 16:11:53 <Khertan_TheReal> and i'm not the only one ... Spakman_ want too ...
Dec 12 16:12:05 <Tak> gtk doesn't really deal with transparency/translucency at all
Dec 12 16:12:09 <Spakman_> Khertan_TheReal: not tried out the transparent label yet
Dec 12 16:12:24 <Khertan_TheReal> Spakman_ u have a .service file too ?
Dec 12 16:12:31 <alterego> Tak, I think it's something to do with Gdk ;)
Dec 12 16:12:43 <Spakman_> yep, pointing to /usr/bin/my-program
Dec 12 16:13:20 <Khertan_TheReal> alterego > you re right ... but i don't know how to get gdk from a gtk::label (hum i m talking like a ruby program)
Dec 12 16:13:41 <alterego> Khertan_TheReal, it's in there somewhere.
Dec 12 16:13:49 <alterego> I actually did this the other day .,. Hang on.
Dec 12 16:13:50 <Khertan_TheReal> i m looking between two compilation between my work :)
Dec 12 16:14:40 <gw280> my N810 seems to be missing a screw :(
Dec 12 16:15:46 <alterego> gw280, send it to me. I'll keep it safe for you.
Dec 12 16:15:50 <gw280> no
Dec 12 16:15:53 <alterego> The N810 that is ..
Dec 12 16:16:00 <gw280> no
Dec 12 16:16:08 <gw280> http://vm.gwright.org.uk/nokian810.jpg
Dec 12 16:16:08 <alterego> Damn,
Dec 12 16:16:10 <gw280> slightly annoyed :(
Dec 12 16:16:54 <zoran> you need a screw to run n810?
Dec 12 16:16:59 <gw280> no
Dec 12 16:17:37 <alterego> I'd send it back, or take it to a Nokia shop.
Dec 12 16:17:46 <gw280> alterego: I've emailed the company I bought it off
Dec 12 16:17:47 <lardman> is it a missing screw or somewhere to screw in a strap?
Dec 12 16:17:54 <alterego> They look like standard torq screws.
Dec 12 16:18:00 <gw280> lardman: it looks like a missing screw, given that the other side has one in
Dec 12 16:18:06 <Tak> don't worry, that screw just holds everything together
Dec 12 16:18:14 <lardman> fair enough, just a though
Dec 12 16:18:19 <alterego> I wouldn't even bother talking to them. I'd just get a replacement screw ..
Dec 12 16:18:22 <zoran> and parts around on the floor
Dec 12 16:18:34 <alterego> It's not worth the hassle of sending it back and being without it for god knows how many weeks ..
Dec 12 16:19:02 <gw280> alterego: it's been a day... I think that classifies as DOA
Dec 12 16:19:26 <alterego> Eh?
Dec 12 16:19:47 <gw280> in the UK the retailer handles the warranty for the first year anyway
Dec 12 16:19:48 <lardman> gw280: yeah, if you can take it back in person anyway
Dec 12 16:20:00 <Spakman_> Khertan_TheReal: I'm confused. I have a .service file and a .desktop file (both point to /usr/bin/my_app). In my application I do context = OSSO.initialize "my_app", "0.1.0". Yet, when I start the app, the GUI restarts.
Dec 12 16:20:00 <X-Fade> gw280: I'd visit a Nokia service center. They will get you a new screw..
Dec 12 16:20:02 <lardman> gw280: otherwise you'll do well to get a replacement at this time of year
Dec 12 16:20:14 <gw280> are there nokia service centres in the UK?
Dec 12 16:20:29 <Khertan_TheReal> Spakman_ > strange
Dec 12 16:20:39 <lardman> must be, not sure they're exposed to the users though
Dec 12 16:20:46 <lardman> or vice versa
Dec 12 16:21:19 <X-Fade> gw280: http://www.nokia.co.uk/A4228006
Dec 12 16:21:31 <Khertan_TheReal> Spakman_ > i can't help you more ... sorry
Dec 12 16:21:44 <Spakman_> Khertan_TheReal: no worries, thanks for the help so far
Dec 12 16:21:46 <Khertan_TheReal> Spakman_ > as i do this in python ... and this seems to work
Dec 12 16:21:52 <zoran> he could be said "your phone is not working" if he find "right" person
Dec 12 16:22:20 <lardman> gw280: where'd you get it from?
Dec 12 16:22:34 <Spakman_> Perhaps my service registration is wrong
Dec 12 16:22:50 <Khertan_TheReal> gw280> if you shake do you hear the screw moving in the case ?
Dec 12 16:23:36 <gw280> I can hear something moving, but I don't think it's a screw
Dec 12 16:24:34 <zoran> pointer?
Dec 12 16:24:56 <Khertan_TheReal> don't boring you ... return it ...
Dec 12 16:25:11 <Khertan_TheReal> if a screw is missing there is two possibility ...
Dec 12 16:25:26 <Khertan_TheReal> screw lost between assembly chain and you in transport
Dec 12 16:25:37 <Khertan_TheReal> or misassembled device
Dec 12 16:26:07 <zoran> the second is more believable
Dec 12 16:26:21 <lardman> I wonder if you can tell by looking at the screw thread
Dec 12 16:26:42 <Khertan_TheReal> the two is often bad sign ... and you ll probably discover other problem in few time
Dec 12 16:26:56 <Khertan_TheReal> the screw thread ?
Dec 12 16:32:19 <lardman> well the thread in the hole
Dec 12 16:32:31 <lardman> see if it looks used
Dec 12 16:32:52 <lardman> probably best to take it back, but if you have to send it back it might take ages as isn't nearly xmas, etc.
Dec 12 16:35:34 <blurrg> Hi, I have a completely newbie question: Is there an emulator for the n800 or n810 to run tests on apps or do I need to put them on my device to test them with a network and interacting with other apps?
Dec 12 16:35:52 <zoran> lardman thinks the plastic should change the color or have a sign or usage?
Dec 12 16:36:10 <Tak> blurrg: have you configured a scratchbox environment?
Dec 12 16:36:15 <blurrg> yes,
Dec 12 16:36:26 <blurrg> it does not look like the one in the tutorial, though
Dec 12 16:36:30 <Tak> that should be all you need...
Dec 12 16:36:42 <lardman> zoran: oh, it's plastic is it
Dec 12 16:36:59 <lardman> might still see some sign
Dec 12 16:38:01 <zoran> I think I would replace it, but it could be a pain in the whatever
Dec 12 16:38:01 <blurrg> ok, so I have not finished with the tutorial, but does it tell me how to install other applications there? well, I will keep going with it. Thanks
Dec 12 16:38:29 <Tak> you can install other applications using apt
Dec 12 16:41:22 <Spakman_> see ya, folks
Dec 12 16:43:59 <Disconnect> anyone got tips on a vpnc server for linux?
Dec 12 16:46:35 <zoran> Disconnect, I see the app for os2006
Dec 12 16:46:49 <Disconnect> thats the client
Dec 12 16:46:56 <Disconnect> i need a server to connect the other end :)
Dec 12 16:48:02 <zoran> maybe they call it vpn concentrator
Dec 12 16:48:44 <zoran> should work with ios
Dec 12 16:53:23 <Disconnect> right. unless someone's gonna send me a router/firewall that doesn't help much. (alternately, openvpn for 2008 would work.)
Dec 12 16:55:18 <alterego> I just picked up some free hardware from work.
Dec 12 16:55:35 <alterego> It was hiding in a really old heavy (and crap looking) 2U rack mount
Dec 12 16:55:36 <Tak> do they know? :-P
Dec 12 16:55:59 <zoran> will we see you this months?  :)
Dec 12 16:58:04 <FMz> Any word on OS2008 final release date?
Dec 12 16:58:10 <L0cutus> WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
Dec 12 16:58:10 <L0cutus>   wget
Dec 12 16:58:10 <L0cutus> Install these packages without verification [y/N]? y
Dec 12 16:58:10 <L0cutus> E: Some packages could not be authenticated
Dec 12 16:58:10 <L0cutus> /home/user #
Dec 12 16:58:17 <L0cutus> ops
Dec 12 16:58:50 <L0cutus> why i'm unable to install (as root) wget from cmd line ?!?
Dec 12 16:58:52 <sKaBoy> L0cutus, write "s", not "y" :)
Dec 12 16:59:07 <L0cutus> wth...
Dec 12 16:59:11 <L0cutus> :)
Dec 12 16:59:13 <L0cutus> thanks
Dec 12 16:59:14 <sKaBoy> L0cutus, you italian right? i've seen the same bug.. :)
Dec 12 16:59:17 <L0cutus> yes
Dec 12 16:59:17 <sKaBoy> np!
Dec 12 16:59:25 <Tak> hooray localization!
Dec 12 16:59:34 <L0cutus> this got me crazy ;)
Dec 12 16:59:43 <alterego> Tak, yeah. I asked.
Dec 12 16:59:54 <alterego> It was being thrown out.
Dec 12 17:00:12 <alterego> I don't think  they realised it had a Core2Due based system with 2G of RAM installed and 2x 500G HDD
Dec 12 17:00:23 <Tak> damn
Dec 12 17:00:26 * alterego checks the speed of the C2D
Dec 12 17:00:51 <Tak> it would be great if the language in question's translation of "yes" began with "n"
Dec 12 17:01:10 <keesj> :p
Dec 12 17:01:36 <lopz> re
Dec 12 17:02:08 <lardman> bye
Dec 12 17:02:10 <Disconnect> alterego: i've got some old gear but nothing that can handle the various demands of service here. (firewall, logging, vpn, IDS, on a loaded 15Mb line)
Dec 12 17:02:49 <zoran> alterego, one would expect opteron/else in 2u
Dec 12 17:02:54 * Disconnect is using an openwrt box now, works really well actually
Dec 12 17:03:57 <Disconnect> looks like the old openvpn package might work tho.
Dec 12 17:05:14 <alterego> zoran, sure, obviously this was just a spare case they threw some desktop hardware in ..
Dec 12 17:05:35 <zoran> or rather laptop
Dec 12 17:06:12 <zoran> btw, barcelona was postponed
Dec 12 17:07:26 * zoran gone to feed dragons
Dec 12 17:09:00 <alterego> zoran, "or rather laptop"?
Dec 12 17:09:05 <alterego> Are you calling me a liar? :P
Dec 12 17:09:30 <penguinbait> maybe, what are you lying about?
Dec 12 17:09:45 <alterego> :)
Dec 12 17:09:53 <alterego> The hardware in this old 2U case.
Dec 12 17:10:03 <alterego> I need to find an ATX case to put this stuff in.
Dec 12 17:10:13 <alterego> It's a lot better than anything I've got right now.
Dec 12 17:10:32 <alterego> Might actually make me more productive ^_^ this craptop I'm using now is so sloow.
Dec 12 17:13:41 <penguinbait> whats amazing to me is I have a dual boot system, linux boots and I am on a webpage in less than 60 seconds, Windows XP tablet edition, same machine, takes me 8 minutes before I can start a browser.  Is microsoft ever going to clean it up, or will they just keep depending on more processing power?
Dec 12 17:14:15 <alterego> I'm guess they all have a coffee whilst things are booting up.
Dec 12 17:14:21 <alterego> Gives them a good excuse to have a coffee.
Dec 12 17:14:25 <alterego> Or a cigarette or whatever.
Dec 12 17:14:35 <penguinbait> maybe I should start smoking again
Dec 12 17:14:42 <alterego> Hah
Dec 12 17:14:43 <penguinbait> cigarettes I mean :)
Dec 12 17:14:56 <alterego> "Windows made me start smoking"
Dec 12 17:15:15 <penguinbait> I quit cold turkey in 2003, and bought a boat
Dec 12 17:15:38 <penguinbait> If I would have waited a few more years, I could have afforded a bigger boat :)
Dec 12 17:15:58 <GeneralAntilles> A boat . . .
Dec 12 17:15:59 <GeneralAntilles> ha
Dec 12 17:16:06 <Vulc|Bleh> Why a boat?
Dec 12 17:16:10 <Vulc|Bleh> Zepplins are the way to go.
Dec 12 17:16:15 <penguinbait> I like water
Dec 12 17:16:16 <GeneralAntilles> That would put me right back on cigarettes.
Dec 12 17:16:17 <penguinbait> nice
Dec 12 17:16:22 <GeneralAntilles> Boats are such a pain.
Dec 12 17:16:34 <Tak> you can't waterski behind a zeppelin
Dec 12 17:16:57 <penguinbait> I like throwing people off tubes!
Dec 12 17:17:18 <GeneralAntilles> That's just mean.
Dec 12 17:17:22 <penguinbait> besides I can swim if I need to
Dec 12 17:17:22 <alterego> Hah
Dec 12 17:17:25 <penguinbait> I cant fly
Dec 12 17:17:35 <alterego> Or fake your death only to return 5 years later.
Dec 12 17:17:37 <Vulc|Bleh> [12:17:05] <penguinbait> I like throwing people off tubes! -- Hacker!
Dec 12 17:17:47 <Vulc|Bleh> Oh, tubes, not THE tubes.
Dec 12 17:18:38 <penguinbait> GA, why is that mean? its fun
Dec 12 17:18:56 <Tak> plus it keeps them from smoking
Dec 12 17:19:00 <penguinbait> perhaps if you got out more often, you could work on that tan ;)
Dec 12 17:19:16 <penguinbait> heh, yes it does
Dec 12 17:19:27 <GeneralAntilles> Boat was sold in January.
Dec 12 17:19:30 <GeneralAntilles> Good riddance. ;)
Dec 12 17:19:55 <penguinbait> Well mine has never seen salt water
Dec 12 17:20:07 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah . . . that helps a bit.
Dec 12 17:20:10 <penguinbait> what was your issues with the boat
Dec 12 17:20:46 <penguinbait> I heard definition of boat = whole in the water you throw money into
Dec 12 17:21:15 <penguinbait> hole
Dec 12 17:21:19 <penguinbait> not whole
Dec 12 17:21:31 <jumpula> hole world
Dec 12 17:22:04 <penguinbait> its lunchtime here in michigan, off to grub!!
Dec 12 17:22:06 <penguinbait> see ya
Dec 12 17:22:07 <GeneralAntilles> Boats are fun, but it's just a tone of work to keep them going.
Dec 12 17:22:26 <deejoe> Break Out Another Thousand
Dec 12 17:22:39 <GeneralAntilles> Yeppers.
Dec 12 17:27:05 <Sampppa> can i sign .dep package correctly to be uploaded to extras if i built that .deb with dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -sa -us -uc -D
Dec 12 17:28:36 <Sampppa> tutorial says that it should be build with dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -i
Dec 12 17:29:12 <Tak> should be ok
Dec 12 17:29:28 <Sampppa> ok
Dec 12 17:29:44 <Tak> although -D suggests that your build dependencies are broken
Dec 12 17:29:47 <Sampppa> guess why i wasnt getting proper gpg key?
Dec 12 17:30:01 <Tak> ...which might indicate that the installation dependencies will be incorrect as well
Dec 12 17:30:02 <Tak> why?
Dec 12 17:30:34 <Sampppa> i was running ubuntu on vmware and some how it fucked it up
Dec 12 17:30:35 <keesj> funny I have to use --host=arm-linux for moost configure based programs (sdl-gfx)
Dec 12 17:31:09 <Sampppa> no id did keygen without vmware and it worked
Dec 12 17:31:30 <Tak> keesj: I didn't
Dec 12 17:32:07 <Tak> oh, I also got visualboyadvance to build in the chinook env
Dec 12 17:32:11 <keesj> I am loosing so much time becasue of sbox right now , it was supposed to help me
Dec 12 17:32:17 <Tak> so I guess it's not a g++ issue
Dec 12 17:33:03 <keesj> now figthing with readline
Dec 12 17:33:54 <keesj> it still is black magic for me where the SDK's are produced
Dec 12 17:36:32 <elpaso> Hi
Dec 12 17:38:02 <elpaso> Any lucky owner of a n810 is willing to test my first chinook tuxpaint port? I still don't have one (yet).
Dec 12 17:39:01 <Tak> elpaso: just upload it to extras-devel and let them take their chances ;-)
Dec 12 17:39:35 <elpaso> I will do it but not now, I just dont' remember how to do it, the last time took me hours :(
Dec 12 17:42:49 <Tak> add entry to /etc/dput.cf , then `dput whatever_you_titled_the_entry tuxpaint_whatever.changes`
Dec 12 17:45:08 * Tak hate busybox so much
Dec 12 17:51:02 <elpaso> Tak: no debian signature needed?
Dec 12 17:51:29 <Tak> oh, I figured you'd already signed them
Dec 12 17:51:38 <Tak> then add a debsign in there
Dec 12 17:52:21 <elpaso> Tak: the last time I packaged something was more than 6 months ago... my memory leaks
Dec 12 17:54:59 <Tak> you should try garbage collection
Dec 12 17:55:07 <Tak> yay more swap!
Dec 12 17:55:11 * Tak consider reinstalling python
Dec 12 17:58:03 <L0cutus> what is the right command line to pass to the flasher to flash only a kernel image ?
Dec 12 17:59:07 <Tak> to flash a kernel image, or to flash the kernel portion of a fiasco image?
Dec 12 17:59:37 <L0cutus> zImage
Dec 12 18:00:10 <L0cutus> this one: http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/kernel-rx-34-2.6.21.0.tar.gz
Dec 12 18:00:30 <Tak> wouldn't it be `flasher -k kernel_image -f -R ?
Dec 12 18:00:41 <L0cutus> perfect, thanks :)
Dec 12 18:03:07 <elpaso> Tak: just added some DDR2 ECC to my left brain side :)
Dec 12 18:12:59 <elpaso> Ok, uploading to extras-devel-chinook...
Dec 12 18:13:45 <Tak> huzzah!
Dec 12 18:15:58 <elpaso> But I did not test it on N810 since I don't have one, just hope that works.
Dec 12 18:16:22 <Tak> same with all of my packages
Dec 12 18:16:41 <elpaso> Do they give feedback?
Dec 12 18:16:55 <Tak> I did get some feedback eventually
Dec 12 18:17:10 <elpaso> From who?
Dec 12 18:17:17 <elpaso> Nokia?
Dec 12 18:17:38 <Tak> no, from somebody who installed the package
Dec 12 18:18:01 <elpaso> ok, let's wait and see
Dec 12 18:18:48 <|R> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=176 <- hehe nice (ogg)
Dec 12 18:28:28 <Sampppa> is it possible to upload extras with scp?
Dec 12 18:28:31 <Sampppa> without dput?
Dec 12 18:29:25 <Tak> supposedly
Dec 12 18:31:29 <keesj> Sampppa: I you manage I would be very interrested!
Dec 12 18:32:07 <Tak> whoever's doing all the on-mac development is doing it, iirc
Dec 12 18:38:55 <Sampppa> how long does it usually takes for application to show up to extras repo after uploading?
Dec 12 18:41:18 <Tak> minute or two
Dec 12 18:51:21 <Sampppa> there comes no notification if the package is not accepted to extras?
Dec 12 18:59:03 <keesj> lame debian sh*t
Dec 12 18:59:35 <nelson_> what's lame debian sh*t?
Dec 12 18:59:49 <nelson_> Or are you referring to all lame debian sh*t in general?
Dec 12 19:00:01 <keesj> They win the competution in how to make things difficult , badly documented and just plain anoying.
Dec 12 19:00:44 <keesj> It still treats me like an idiot : apt-get -d install libreadline4: -> libreadline4 is already the newest version.
Dec 12 19:01:35 <Tak> keesj: I think you're thinking of gentoo ;-)
Dec 12 19:01:41 <keesj> I't all just to complicated and that is why there are so much errors in the repositories and such
Dec 12 19:02:04 <keesj> no, no gentoo has good kerma
Dec 12 19:02:10 <keesj> karma
Dec 12 19:02:45 <Tak> apt-get --reinstall --download-only libreadline4 ;-)
Dec 12 19:02:59 <Tak>  + install
Dec 12 19:04:14 <keesj> thanks!
Dec 12 19:04:31 <keesj> all I need are guru's!
Dec 12 20:07:37 <K`zan> keesj: Gentoo is wonderful as long as you never try to update it - seems to break something everytime (well, almost) you try :-(.
Dec 12 20:20:24 <Atarii> so usb host mode works with 2008OS now?
Dec 12 20:22:13 <penguinbait> yes
Dec 12 20:22:17 <penguinbait> yes it does
Dec 12 20:22:38 <penguinbait> mass storage and cdrom/dvd devices, and perhaps others
Dec 12 20:23:11 <K`zan> Need to get a drive in the usb->ide enclosure and see how that works out.
Dec 12 20:23:27 <penguinbait> its works
Dec 12 20:23:55 <Atarii> damn even more of a reason to upgrade my 770
Dec 12 20:23:58 <penguinbait> I mounted my 30GB USB drive
Dec 12 20:24:11 <K`zan> Is the USB in the n800 smart enough to limit the current (200 mA IIRC) if something tries to draw more or does it just burn something up?
Dec 12 20:24:13 <penguinbait> 770 has always supported USB devices
Dec 12 20:24:21 <K`zan> 30G on an n800 LOL, love it :)
Dec 12 20:24:37 <penguinbait> cd/dvd support
Dec 12 20:24:38 <penguinbait> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12491&highlight=cdrom
Dec 12 20:25:10 <Atarii> penguinbait does usb wifi work on the 770?
Dec 12 20:25:19 <penguinbait> It provided power to my usb thumb drive, I needed extra power for usb hard drive
Dec 12 20:25:30 <Atarii> ive read so much stuff on the forums its infomation overload
Dec 12 20:25:31 <Tak> 770 didn't provide power, though
Dec 12 20:25:33 <penguinbait> and my cd/dvd use wall power
Dec 12 20:25:38 <K`zan> I tried a USB-<serial dongle and an ethernet dongle and it said "not supported" but it did that with my USB SD card reader too, but then it mounted it.  Dunno.
Dec 12 20:25:55 <K`zan> Oh yes, the USB-IDE enclosure has it's down power supply.
Dec 12 20:26:02 <penguinbait> no 770 did not provide power, thats correct, you need a split cable 9$
Dec 12 20:26:19 <K`zan> I made up my own power injector :-).
Dec 12 20:26:29 <suihkulokki> someone should try a usb-vga adapter :P
Dec 12 20:26:36 <K`zan> http://wrlabs.shacknet.nu/~vw/tmp/USB-PI/
Dec 12 20:26:43 <K`zan> LOL
Dec 12 20:26:47 <penguinbait> if I had more adapters, I would compile some more modules
Dec 12 20:26:50 <penguinbait> :0
Dec 12 20:27:30 <K`zan> I found a set of USB adapters at the local thrift store with female A on one side and all sorts on the other.
Dec 12 20:28:08 <penguinbait> I am using Nokia provided cable, and 1 2$ Female A to Female A gender bender
Dec 12 20:28:10 <K`zan> Later discovered either a bad adapter or A to A cable, need to get back to checking that out.
Dec 12 20:28:11 <penguinbait> works great
Dec 12 20:28:35 <Tak> wtf - is that coax?
Dec 12 20:28:35 <K`zan> Yep, a double female and a couple cables takes care of a lot of problems :).
Dec 12 20:28:37 <penguinbait> Cost more for shipping that adapter
Dec 12 20:28:56 <K`zan> Nope, the black thing is an input for a wall wart.
Dec 12 20:29:21 <K`zan> Local thrift store gets some good stuff from time to time.
Dec 12 20:29:46 <penguinbait> were those pictues taken from n800, god thats awful
Dec 12 20:29:50 <K`zan> Now need to find a serial terminal and look over the modules I downloaded earlier to see if what I have is invluded there.
Dec 12 20:30:02 <K`zan> Yes, they are.  That is why I don't want an n810...
Dec 12 20:30:09 <penguinbait> hhehe
Dec 12 20:30:23 <K`zan> If the gps and keyboard are equally shitty, I'll go external BT stuff (as I have :-).
Dec 12 20:30:39 <K`zan> Camera was a waste IMO
Dec 12 20:30:42 <penguinbait> it says VGA which is 640x480 n800 was not as high resolution was it?
Dec 12 20:31:12 <K`zan> Heh, I'm not sure what the res on the n800 actually is 640x something...
Dec 12 20:31:23 <penguinbait> god I hope the camera is better
Dec 12 20:31:40 <Tak> did anyone ever make a camera app that averages N frames into an image?
Dec 12 20:31:41 <K`zan> Yeah, that thing in the n800 is a bad joke.
Dec 12 20:31:58 <K`zan> Why would anyone bother with the camera in the n800?
Dec 12 20:32:06 <K`zan> Better than nothing, but not by much.
Dec 12 20:32:41 <K`zan> The one I had back in the 1990s (casio) was FAR better than that thing :).
Dec 12 20:33:40 <Tak> it was never supposed to be used for stills, apparently
Dec 12 20:33:54 <wumpus> for movies it's just as bad :P
Dec 12 20:34:08 <K`zan> Hopefully my BT keyboad will actually make it here today.  Worst shipping experience from Amazon yet.  Everything else I ordered from the other side of the country is already here and has been for a few days now.  The stuff from Amazon itself (in town here) went to the other side of the country and is slowly making it's way back :-).
Dec 12 20:34:33 <K`zan> Was supposed to be here yesterday...
Dec 12 20:34:44 <K`zan> Glad I didn't take the day off to wait for it :-).
Dec 12 20:35:50 <penguinbait> the tech specs on the n800 just says integrated camera, the n810 says VGA which is 640x480,  those pictures you show are 640x480.  Man I really hope they changed something, the quality of the VGA on n800 is useless, I had really assumed they fixed that.
Dec 12 20:36:33 <K`zan> It is supposed to be better outside with good light.  Those where shot on the desktop here with a fluorescent ...
Dec 12 20:36:48 <K`zan> But I agree, if it sucked it would be a major improvement :)
Dec 12 20:37:22 <penguinbait> hehe
Dec 12 20:37:26 <penguinbait> major
Dec 12 20:37:47 <K`zan> In theory (according to DHL tracking) my package from Amazon has finally made it back to scabattle...
Dec 12 20:38:14 <K`zan> Maybe by Friday...
Dec 12 20:38:22 <K`zan> Should have ordered it from newegg...
Dec 12 20:38:24 <bstock> anyone know a good place to get an n810 fairly soon in the US? everywhere I look says backordered 2-3 weeks :(
Dec 12 20:38:39 <K`zan> Nope, I am not even looking :-)
Dec 12 20:39:17 <K`zan> n800 camera convinced me that built in stuff was something I didn't need to pay all the extra for.
Dec 12 20:39:30 <derrick> if you have a compusa in your area try there
Dec 12 20:40:26 <bstock> nah the one that was here closed down a few months ago
Dec 12 20:40:54 <K`zan> Looks like buy.com has them:  http://www.buy.com/prod/Nokia-N810-Internet-Tablet-Full-Pull-out-QWERTY-Keyboard/q/loc/101/206228943.html
Dec 12 20:41:17 <K`zan> overnight shipping :-)!
Dec 12 20:43:11 <bstock> says 'Temporarily Sold Out.' under the add to cart button
Dec 12 20:43:33 <K`zan> Oops, yes, sorry :-(.
Dec 12 20:44:51 <K`zan> Go with an n800 and get a bt gps and keyboard :-).
Dec 12 20:45:46 <bstock> too much to carry around, i mainly want the built-in keyboard
Dec 12 20:45:48 <K`zan> Much cheaper :).
Dec 12 20:45:55 <bstock> i already have bt gps for my 770
Dec 12 20:46:05 <bstock> company is paying for it
Dec 12 20:46:08 <K`zan> I really like having a choice.
Dec 12 20:46:14 <K`zan> That helps :-) !!!
Dec 12 20:46:20 <bstock> heh ya
Dec 12 20:46:34 <K`zan> Get two, one as a backup ;-)!
Dec 12 20:46:45 <bstock> heh i dunno if they'll go for that
Dec 12 20:46:47 <K`zan> "Mission Critical(TM)" :-)
Dec 12 20:47:01 <bstock> they'll say i have my 770 as a backup
Dec 12 20:47:07 <K`zan> Oh well :-/.
Dec 12 20:47:22 <bstock> ya, sucks this isn't available anywhere
Dec 12 20:47:36 <K`zan> Only if they bought it for you (770) :-)
Dec 12 20:48:05 <bstock> ya they did
Dec 12 20:48:24 <K`zan> Oops LoL, well it was bloody decent of them.
Dec 12 20:48:45 <K`zan> I almost got the 770, like the form factor better, but the RS cards killed it for me...
Dec 12 20:48:51 <bstock> ya. i held off on asking for an n800 since the only real upgrade was speed
Dec 12 20:49:02 <Tak> yeah, I prefer the 770's form as well
Dec 12 20:49:09 <K`zan> "Get your work done faster" :-)
Dec 12 20:49:20 <K`zan> But if they will get you an 810, go for it.
Dec 12 20:49:23 <Tak> the real upgrade with the n800 was storage
Dec 12 20:49:39 <bstock> but with the n810 i'll get speed plus hw keyboard, the keyboard is a major seller since i have to ssh into servers and typing on the onscreen keyboard kinda sucks
Dec 12 20:49:48 <K`zan> I got 6G in it and have yet to put a real dent in it, maps seem to be the biggie.
Dec 12 20:50:23 <Tak> heh, music for me
Dec 12 20:50:43 <K`zan> Yeah, pecking gets old in a hurry, that is why i ordered the fold up BT keyboard.  If it is half as good as the on for my old Palm C3 (vx) it will be wonderful.
Dec 12 20:50:47 <Tak> although if my headphone jack is really going out, it'll put an end to that
Dec 12 20:50:59 <K`zan> I quit patronizing the "entertainment" mafias...
Dec 12 20:51:13 <K`zan> BT stereo headset :-).
Dec 12 20:52:10 <K`zan> Would really be nice to have a bt heaset work on the desktop box, being tethered is a REAL PITA.
Dec 12 20:52:23 <|R> http://www.carrypad.com/journal/2007/12/nokia-n810-unboxing.html <- qwertz keyboard... first time i see something other than qwerty... anyone seen others?
Dec 12 20:52:55 <K`zan> But that isn't ready for prime time, yet.  Spent a week or so trying, best I did was get it working for music VERY briefly.
Dec 12 20:53:12 <Tak> K`zan: there's plenty of non-riaa music
Dec 12 20:53:46 <K`zan> Tak: Yes, and those I do support.
Dec 12 20:54:33 <K`zan> I worked in the "entertainment" industry for a while when I was younger and it is a mafia...
Dec 12 20:54:46 <K`zan> I think my old boss is still in prison :).
Dec 12 20:56:23 <dragorn> |R: must be a non-us layout
Dec 12 20:56:33 <|R> dragorn : yep german :)
Dec 12 20:56:45 <|R> dragorn : but i'm curious to see the french or other layouts on a small keyboard...
Dec 12 21:04:22 <shackan> I have no idea why everyone is creaming himself over ANOTHER MEDIA PLAYER
Dec 12 21:04:37 <K`zan> Yeah, perplexes me too :)
Dec 12 21:04:38 <shackan> yes, it plays music, doesn't cure world hunger
Dec 12 21:05:45 <Tak> which media player is this?
Dec 12 21:06:21 <K`zan> Would really like to see a decent PIM that is palm (jpilot) syncable...
Dec 12 21:06:21 <shackan> the one everybody is waiting for like the second coming of jesus
Dec 12 21:06:28 <K`zan> LOL
Dec 12 21:06:35 <Tak> ah
Dec 12 21:06:46 <Tak> everybody was like that for the first release too
Dec 12 21:07:10 <K`zan> I've decided I can be patient or go back to 2007...
Dec 12 21:07:31 <K`zan> So far managing to be patient :-).
Dec 12 21:08:02 <vegai> |R: waiting for a decent dvorak variant for that...
Dec 12 21:09:14 <|R> vegai :)
Dec 12 21:21:34 <penguinbait> dvorak
Dec 12 21:21:36 <penguinbait> ugh!
Dec 12 21:29:44 <keesj> K`zan: gentoo is the only sysem I can keep running for longer than one year
Dec 12 21:30:17 <keesj> ubuntu is a good second choice
Dec 12 21:34:06 <keesj> IMHO of course
Dec 12 21:47:51 <K`zan> keesj: Had gentoo here for a couple three years now and as long as I don't try to update it, it does just fine.  Haven't touched it in over a year now :-).
Dec 12 23:09:46 <maddler> dum dee daaaaa...
Dec 12 23:12:17 <mariorz> http://rafb.net/p/k4DN8Q48.txt
Dec 12 23:12:43 <mariorz> i think i have a mac malware adwere thing
Dec 12 23:28:35 <Iogann> Hi everyone! Is 4.0 version already availiable for n800 ?
Dec 12 23:38:35 <lardman> evening
Dec 12 23:40:39 <lardman> derf: I don't suppose you're about to answer some questions about why ogg_sync_pageseek() frees an empty ogg_page that is passed to it?
Dec 12 23:41:15 <derf> lardman: I'm about but pretty distracted at the moment.
Dec 12 23:41:52 <lardman> derf: ok, I'll have a look through and hit you with some questions tomorrow :)
Dec 12 23:43:29 <Vulc|Bleh> What essential applications should be gotten for os08?
Dec 12 23:54:15 <lardman> night all
Dec 12 23:56:35 <skibur_> hum...
Dec 12 23:57:28 <skibur_> was the new OS2008 going to be release on DEC 15?
Dec 12 23:57:43 <skibur_> I remember read that on the Nokia site
Dec 12 23:58:03 <|R> same day as discount codes get activated?
Dec 13 00:36:05 <b0unc3> hello
Dec 13 00:39:46 <skibur_> sup
Dec 13 00:46:09 <procto> http://www.mockingeye.com/index.php/2007/12/12/introducing-gargoyle-the-geospatial-web-in-your-pocket/
Dec 13 00:46:22 <procto> just finished hacking together the prototype
Dec 13 00:46:27 <procto> tested on an N800
Dec 13 00:51:52 <skibur_> procto
Dec 13 00:52:04 <skibur_> what gps do you have?
Dec 13 00:52:20 <skibur_> official nokia brand or 3rd bluetooth device?
Dec 13 00:52:26 <procto> nokia brand
Dec 13 00:52:41 <procto> got it for something really cheap on ebay :>
Dec 13 00:52:45 <procto> skibur_: why?
Dec 13 00:52:52 <skibur_> thinking of buying one
Dec 13 00:53:12 <skibur_> I just bought a iGO stowaway bluetooth keyboard
Dec 13 00:53:19 <skibur_> its very nice
Dec 13 00:53:41 <skibur_> Going all out by buying a GPS for my Noki!
Dec 13 00:54:15 <procto> hehe yah
Dec 13 00:54:20 <procto> I gane that kb, too
Dec 13 00:54:22 <procto> have*
Dec 13 00:54:41 <procto> with OS2008 supporting headset profile by default gargoyle finally became viable
Dec 13 00:54:55 <procto> imagine walking around, an your nokia whispering to you about your surroundings
Dec 13 00:56:48 <skibur_> nice
Dec 13 00:57:08 <skibur_> I'm all about knowing what is around me
Dec 13 00:57:16 <|R> procto : gargoyle eh? ;)
Dec 13 00:57:35 <skibur_> location, places, wifi ready, bluetooth ready
Dec 13 00:57:36 * |R wish mesh networks + sensor networks + social networks could merge >:]
Dec 13 00:57:36 <skibur_> ...
Dec 13 00:57:57 <skibur_> A walking "RED dot"
Dec 13 00:58:43 <skibur_> looking for a cheap bluetooth GPS receiver
Dec 13 01:00:01 <|R> Cheap/Small: Holux M1200 ... a bit less cheap/small but recommended often: i-blue 737
Dec 13 01:07:37 <skibur_> thanks
Dec 13 01:14:11 <procto> |R: yup :>
Dec 13 01:26:29 <skibur_> http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?sofocus=bs&sbrftog=1&from=R10&_trksid=m37&satitle=Holux+M1200&sacat=-1%26catref%3DC6&sargn=-1%26saslc%3D2&sadis=200&fpos=ZIP%2FPostal&sabfmts=1&saobfmts=insif&ftrt=1&ftrv=1&saprclo=&saprchi=&fsop=1%26fsoo%3D1
Dec 13 01:26:40 <skibur_> nice price    shipping is NUTS!
Dec 13 01:28:05 <|R> i got it from the 24.95 shipping guy
Dec 13 01:44:27 <skibur_> nice
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