**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Dec 13 02:59:56 2007
Dec 13 03:33:01 <lopz> bye
Dec 13 04:18:17 <|R> thoughtfix : seems like most of your readers are avid linux users :-)
Dec 13 04:18:35 <thoughtfix> I haven't looked at the poll since it was posted
Dec 13 04:18:53 <thoughtfix> Too busy spanking Bowser and compiling on my EeePC
Dec 13 04:18:56 <|R> I'm surprised, worstations/laptops is leading!
Dec 13 04:19:04 <thoughtfix> Wow ... me too
Dec 13 04:19:16 <thoughtfix> Until the 770, my Linux work was server-only
Dec 13 04:20:04 <|R> I like the checking polls, no ambiguous answers needed ;)
Dec 13 04:20:17 <|R> (checked all "yes" answers this time)
Dec 13 04:20:47 <thoughtfix> Except no?
Dec 13 04:20:50 <thoughtfix> hehehehe
Dec 13 04:21:07 <|R> hehe :)
Dec 13 04:21:21 <thoughtfix> Gah
Dec 13 04:21:25 <thoughtfix> Adsense is sucking this month
Dec 13 04:21:33 <|R> oh?
Dec 13 04:21:35 <thoughtfix> $2.05/day average
Dec 13 04:21:44 <|R> what's the record?
Dec 13 04:21:53 <thoughtfix> For Adsense for a day? $15
Dec 13 04:22:13 <thoughtfix> November got $104.40
Dec 13 04:22:40 <|R> Never played with adsense, it's just a javascript you add?
Dec 13 04:22:47 <Vulc|Bleh> its free money, stop complaining
Dec 13 04:22:51 <thoughtfix> Trying to pay down the credit card after the N810 giveaway so I have money for CES.
Dec 13 04:22:52 <thoughtfix> Heh
Dec 13 04:23:12 <thoughtfix> Every dime from the ads go back to the blog in one form or another.
Dec 13 04:23:37 <thoughtfix> As soon as I get to a "profit" side, I'll just do more give-aways.
Dec 13 04:23:56 <Vulc|Bleh> Which blog? I'm new to this.
Dec 13 04:23:57 <|R> an n810 a day keep the windows away? :P
Dec 13 04:24:08 <thoughtfix> vulc: tabletblog
Dec 13 04:24:13 <Vulc|Bleh> Ah.
Dec 13 04:24:13 <thoughtfix> Hahaha
Dec 13 04:24:26 <thoughtfix> If I could afford to give away an N810 per day...
Dec 13 04:25:33 <thoughtfix> That's over $150,000/yr in ad revenue alone. No - I don't think I could give away one per day.
Dec 13 04:25:55 <thoughtfix> I am shooting for two big give-aways per year and then little ones scattered when I get the chance
Dec 13 04:26:37 <thoughtfix> All depends on keeping traffic up - which depends on having interesting things to write - which depends on the developers
Dec 13 04:26:37 <thoughtfix> hehe
Dec 13 04:26:52 <|R> :)
Dec 13 04:26:58 <|R> pretty fun ecosystem
Dec 13 04:27:33 <thoughtfix> Well
Dec 13 04:27:39 <thoughtfix> The developers make good stuff
Dec 13 04:28:03 <thoughtfix> and I like playing with it, writing about it, and sharing it with others
Dec 13 04:30:35 <thoughtfix> If eventually writing becomes my career - so much the better.
Dec 13 04:30:55 <thoughtfix> But a VERY small percentage of independent journalists can survive on that writing alone
Dec 13 04:31:13 <|R> yeah, I'd like to do that too one day...
Dec 13 04:31:37 <|R> You're a sys admin by day?
Dec 13 04:32:00 <thoughtfix> Yeah. I'm now the linux guru for a hospice care company
Dec 13 04:32:32 <thoughtfix> Just started this gig 3 weeks ago after 5.5 years at my previous evil employer
Dec 13 04:32:59 <|R> haha what happened?
Dec 13 04:33:19 <thoughtfix> I finally quit
Dec 13 04:34:47 <thoughtfix> I describe their employee treatment as "assrapery"
Dec 13 04:35:06 <|R> hehe, sounds like !fun :P
Dec 13 04:35:56 <thoughtfix> As much fun as getting hit in the head with a small lemon - wrapped in a large gold brick
Dec 13 04:35:58 <thoughtfix> Ack
Dec 13 04:36:06 <thoughtfix> Parallels updater wants me to reboot
Dec 13 04:36:15 <|R> ahh... rebooots...
Dec 13 04:36:36 <unique311> tthoughtfix, when you find an employer that actually treats employees nicely please blog about it.  doubt it will be in this lifetime.
Dec 13 04:36:57 <thoughtfix> unique311: My new employer is VERY good to the employees
Dec 13 04:36:59 <thoughtfix> But then
Dec 13 04:37:02 <thoughtfix> it's a hospice company
Dec 13 04:37:14 <thoughtfix> they're all tightly-knit - even those who don't work with patients
Dec 13 04:37:16 <skibur_> omg Thoughtfix!!!
Dec 13 04:37:25 <skibur_> my hero!!!
Dec 13 04:37:29 <skibur_> :P
Dec 13 04:37:29 <unique311> lol
Dec 13 04:37:30 <thoughtfix> omg skibur_ !
Dec 13 04:37:33 <skibur_> jk
Dec 13 04:37:37 <unique311> hero status
Dec 13 04:37:38 <skibur_> your the man
Dec 13 04:37:43 <thoughtfix> naw
Dec 13 04:37:47 <thoughtfix> as we were discussing before
Dec 13 04:37:54 <thoughtfix> The developers are the "men" (and "women")
Dec 13 04:38:00 <skibur_> thanks
Dec 13 04:38:01 <thoughtfix> I just report on what I find
Dec 13 04:38:17 <unique311> women...point them out  0_0
Dec 13 04:38:21 <skibur_> I've been working with DSLinux - Linux on the Nintendo DS
Dec 13 04:38:22 <thoughtfix> um
Dec 13 04:38:28 <thoughtfix> There are several women in the maemo development team
Dec 13 04:38:29 <|R> hehe O_o
Dec 13 04:38:46 <|R> at nokia?
Dec 13 04:38:52 <skibur_> ?
Dec 13 04:39:09 <unique311> devs in general
Dec 13 04:39:11 <skibur_> hum... wonder why my handle has a "_"
Dec 13 04:39:38 <unique311> ghost your original
Dec 13 04:40:21 <thoughtfix> http://tableteer.nokia.com/tableteer/os2008/team_urho.xhtml#top
Dec 13 04:40:28 <thoughtfix> Two women there
Dec 13 04:40:43 <|R> that's good to hear
Dec 13 04:40:58 <unique311> promotions
Dec 13 04:41:12 <skibur> ok
Dec 13 04:41:20 <skibur> yeah
Dec 13 04:41:25 <skibur> it was the Ghost
Dec 13 04:41:50 <skibur> did I miss something?
Dec 13 04:41:58 <thoughtfix> Yes
Dec 13 04:42:03 <skibur> crap :/
Dec 13 04:42:13 <unique311> thoughtfix, pointed out 2 women developers for nok
Dec 13 04:42:24 <skibur> aww yes... women developers
Dec 13 04:42:32 <thoughtfix> We had a dozen models, two kegs, and Chumby
Dec 13 04:42:40 <skibur> I read that women are kick butt in programming
Dec 13 04:42:51 <|R> so nokia is actually paying people to blog? or that's just a thing they also have to do? :P
Dec 13 04:44:05 <unique311> thoughtfix, you usually very active on the irc when something good is about to happen....
Dec 13 04:44:13 <unique311> so what should we be expecting?
Dec 13 04:44:19 <skibur> lol
Dec 13 04:44:20 <thoughtfix> um
Dec 13 04:44:21 <thoughtfix> let me check
Dec 13 04:44:33 <skibur> OS2008 with drivers!!!
Dec 13 04:44:35 <unique311> canola on the 14
Dec 13 04:44:53 <|R> drivers? :)
Dec 13 04:44:58 <unique311> im guessing 08 also
Dec 13 04:45:07 <|R> developer discounts!
Dec 13 04:45:09 <thoughtfix> Hey I am not psychic!
Dec 13 04:45:10 <skibur> multi desktop
Dec 13 04:45:26 <unique311> something.
Dec 13 04:45:36 <unique311> throw us regular folks a bone
Dec 13 04:45:53 <skibur> thinking of whipping up Wiimote support to play nes game on my n800
Dec 13 04:45:54 <thoughtfix> This is a good one (just saw it on planet maemo)
Dec 13 04:45:55 <thoughtfix> http://browser-extras.garage.maemo.org/news/5/
Dec 13 04:46:13 <|R> indeed
Dec 13 04:46:15 <|R> :D
Dec 13 04:46:36 <thoughtfix> No new tablets on the FCC site
Dec 13 04:46:37 <unique311> don't addons slow  down the browser on the IT
Dec 13 04:46:53 <thoughtfix> An ad blocker will no doubt speed it up for most users
Dec 13 04:46:54 <thoughtfix> hehe
Dec 13 04:46:54 <skibur> http://www.engineer.tamuk.edu/CLeung/index.htm
Dec 13 04:46:59 <jacques> I just want adblock
Dec 13 04:47:03 <|R> n820 comming out in a week with 3 full sized SDHC? haha ;)
Dec 13 04:47:08 <skibur> anybody have trouble clicking on these links?
Dec 13 04:47:34 <thoughtfix> Well if there IS a new tablet
Dec 13 04:47:37 <thoughtfix> it's not on the FCC site
Dec 13 04:47:49 <|R> skibur : links?
Dec 13 04:47:53 <Vulc|Bleh> [23:47:03] <|R> n820 comming out in a week with 3 full sized SDHC? haha ;) -- nah, laptop SATA bay for 128gb SSDs
Dec 13 04:47:57 <thoughtfix> I am told that a WiMax tablet does exist somewhere.... Like ... ONE of them ... and it can't be used yet since there's no network ...
Dec 13 04:48:02 <skibur> yeah
Dec 13 04:48:08 <skibur> http://www.engineer.tamuk.edu/CLeung/index.htm
Dec 13 04:48:09 <|R> skibur : it's an image?
Dec 13 04:48:17 <skibur> is it?
Dec 13 04:48:23 <skibur> hum...
Dec 13 04:48:29 <|R> yeah, right click it ;)
Dec 13 04:48:43 <skibur> that is strange, because I can with IE 7
Dec 13 04:49:12 <|R> oh yes, a mshtml page...
Dec 13 04:49:21 <|R> (view source is a big binary blob M$ style... bleh)
Dec 13 04:49:23 <thoughtfix> Oooh here's some good news
Dec 13 04:49:27 <thoughtfix> http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071213/bs_nm/nokia_qualcomm_itc_dc
Dec 13 04:49:33 <thoughtfix> Nokia wins!
Dec 13 04:50:31 <skibur> o ok
Dec 13 04:50:38 <|R> i wish they had lost on the ogg thingie though...
Dec 13 04:50:55 <skibur> I'm done with my Finals so I can work on a project
Dec 13 04:50:58 <unique311> give me some news about opengl, or flash for the device being able to access the camera.
Dec 13 04:51:47 * |R 's waiting for the n810 to get here i don't know how and for OLSR-PAA to release it's plugin so i can start porting / testing it
Dec 13 04:53:02 <thoughtfix> I too am N810-less
Dec 13 04:53:46 * cesman thinks good news would be official suport for ogg...
Dec 13 04:53:48 <unique311> satisfied with my n800 running 2008.
Dec 13 04:54:19 <dragorn> unique311: No gl, flash seems a little quicker
Dec 13 04:54:20 <unique311> could care less bout gps or keyboard, didn't have use for it on the n800.
Dec 13 04:54:26 <dragorn> afaik the 810 is basically an 800 with a gps
Dec 13 04:55:01 <unique311> keyboard
Dec 13 04:55:02 <dragorn> and os2008 upclocks the cpu to 400.  Does that on the 800, too.
Dec 13 04:55:06 <|R> same thing yeah, +kbd+gps+led/light censor-fullSD
Dec 13 04:55:06 <unique311> don't forget the keyboard
Dec 13 04:55:20 <dragorn> well, yes, and the keyboard.  But there isn't anything fundamentally different about the cpu, graphics, etc.
Dec 13 04:55:38 <dragorn> Personally, the keyboard makes all the difference to me
Dec 13 04:55:53 <dragorn> I'm very happy with the 810.  I'd be a lot happier if there was 3d, faster processing, etc.
Dec 13 04:56:04 <|R> while travelling i think the n810 will be better than the stowaway keyboard for quick messages...
Dec 13 04:56:13 <|R> not that much when chatting a lot or working though...
Dec 13 04:56:19 <thoughtfix> Yeah... I miss the N810 already
Dec 13 04:56:27 <thoughtfix> My first alarm clock to go off is on the tablet
Dec 13 04:56:40 <|R> haha _first_ :)
Dec 13 04:56:43 <thoughtfix> and if I wake to the first alarm (about 1/3 of the time) I lie in bed a bit longer but check my Email
Dec 13 04:56:44 <thoughtfix> Dude
Dec 13 04:56:54 <thoughtfix> When you drink as much coffee as I do - waking up is hard
Dec 13 04:57:08 <|R> Oh! So that's how it works!
Dec 13 04:57:16 <|R> (i don't drink coffee, it'd kill me ;)
Dec 13 04:58:09 <thoughtfix> That which does not kill you makes you stronger.
Dec 13 04:58:17 <thoughtfix> Except maybe dismemberment
Dec 13 04:58:18 <thoughtfix> or herpes
Dec 13 04:58:24 <unique311> model diet, 8 shots of expresso, and lots of nicotine.
Dec 13 04:58:32 <thoughtfix> Speaking of...
Dec 13 04:58:34 <thoughtfix> BRB: smoke
Dec 13 04:59:25 <thoughtfix> Actually I want to quit
Dec 13 04:59:28 <thoughtfix> but I'm just not "ready"
Dec 13 04:59:40 <dragorn> ugh making deb pkgs gives me a headache
Dec 13 04:59:41 <unique311> don't be a quitter.
Dec 13 04:59:57 <thoughtfix> dragorn: What are you packaging?
Dec 13 05:00:12 <dragorn> thoughtfix: http://kismetwireless.net/screenshot/wispy810.jpg
Dec 13 05:00:25 <thoughtfix> Oh sweet
Dec 13 05:00:30 <thoughtfix> time to buy a WiSpy then
Dec 13 05:00:33 <dragorn> later, kismet, once I get it talking to navcore gps
Dec 13 05:00:36 <thoughtfix> How much do they run?
Dec 13 05:00:48 <dragorn> $400 for the wispy2 I think
Dec 13 05:00:54 <thoughtfix> :(
Dec 13 05:01:11 <thoughtfix> Time to beg for a review sample loaner ... can you Email me when the software is ready?
Dec 13 05:05:10 <jacques> what's a wispy?
Dec 13 05:05:15 <jacques> sounds interesting
Dec 13 05:05:25 <jacques> hardware wifi scanner?
Dec 13 05:05:58 <dragorn> spectrum analyzer
Dec 13 05:06:02 <dragorn> not wifi-centric
Dec 13 05:06:30 <jacques> oooh sweeet
Dec 13 05:07:11 <jacques> what's the freq range?
Dec 13 05:07:36 <dragorn> 2400-2484, currently. (2.4 ISM band).  Others to come, I'm sure
Dec 13 05:07:48 <jacques> ah ok
Dec 13 05:08:47 <skibur> 5|<18ur
Dec 13 05:08:53 <skibur> wow
Dec 13 05:08:56 <skibur> that cool
Dec 13 05:14:04 <thoughtfix> helloooooo netsplit
Dec 13 05:15:18 <straind`> helloooooo thoughtfix
Dec 13 05:17:31 <jacques> welcome to freenode :-\
Dec 13 05:17:37 <unique311> think its fair to elimate analog? I know alot of people who still don't have cable tv.
Dec 13 05:22:34 <|R> i don't have cable, and i don't want cable (for anything else than ipv[46] at least...)
Dec 13 05:26:30 <skibur> just created a background
Dec 13 05:33:01 <thoughtfix> 
Damn it
Dec 13 05:33:02 <skibur> http://users.tamuk.edu/ksjas29/images/screenshot00.png
Dec 13 05:33:04 <thoughtfix> crying now :(
Dec 13 05:33:13 <skibur> my handle
Dec 13 05:33:19 <skibur> I used gimp
Dec 13 05:33:20 <thoughtfix> Listening to James Kendrick's eulogy of Marc Orchant
Dec 13 05:33:26 <skibur> ?
Dec 13 05:37:32 <thoughtfix> http://jkontherun.blogs.com/jkontherun/2007/12/farewell-marc-m.html
Dec 13 05:37:34 <thoughtfix> re: crying
Dec 13 05:37:35 <thoughtfix> grr
Dec 13 05:38:02 <thoughtfix> Mobile tech blogging is young
Dec 13 05:38:14 <thoughtfix> and Marc Orchant is a big loss to us all
Dec 13 05:49:39 <|R>  /clear
Dec 13 05:49:40 <|R> oops
Dec 13 05:49:53 <thoughtfix> Did something embarrassing there?
Dec 13 05:50:09 <|R> i keep screwing my /clear ;)
Dec 13 05:50:19 <|R> (i like my screen empty so i can spot activity ;)
Dec 13 05:51:23 <skibur> Who was Marc ?
Dec 13 06:06:46 <zwnj> shalaam
Dec 13 06:09:30 * thoughtfix wanders back
Dec 13 06:11:55 * t_s_o waves to thoughtfix
Dec 13 06:12:05 <thoughtfix> Hi there
Dec 13 06:12:12 <t_s_o> hi
Dec 13 06:12:19 <t_s_o> small world
Dec 13 06:13:57 <thoughtfix> Oh?
Dec 13 06:15:03 <t_s_o> heh, didnt you call chippy on skype during one of his "braodcasts"?
Dec 13 06:18:47 <thoughtfix> Yes
Dec 13 06:18:55 <thoughtfix> Steve's a friend :)
Dec 13 06:19:21 <t_s_o> ah :)
Dec 13 06:43:54 <steri> morning
Dec 13 06:44:16 <johnx> mornin'
Dec 13 06:45:02 <steri> I'm not the first one to ask this but does anyone know mirror for canola2? :D that site is bit jammed
Dec 13 06:51:02 <|R> steri : sorry to break the news, but i think it's delayed :|
Dec 13 06:56:12 <steri> oh really :/
Dec 13 07:21:14 <steri> damn, now I finally got that frontpage open and it is delayed :(
Dec 13 07:55:18 <Khertan_TheReal> Hi !
Dec 13 08:19:20 <jkyro> hi, anybody know of mplayer for 2008
Dec 13 08:20:51 <solmumaha> jkyro: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12046
Dec 13 08:22:51 <Khertan_TheReal> :)
Dec 13 08:23:03 <Khertan_TheReal> it s available in extras-devel repository
Dec 13 08:26:45 <keesj> re
Dec 13 08:57:23 * Jaffa 's managed to get hold of an N810 before the discount codes are active. It's very shiny (but not in a gross, chrome way like the N800)
Dec 13 08:58:04 * doc|home pats his n800
Dec 13 08:58:07 <doc|home> it's ok, he didn't mean it
Dec 13 08:58:57 <Jaffa> :)
Dec 13 08:59:28 <Jaffa> It feels very thin. The keyboard's a bit stiff and it's quite heavy in the hand.
Dec 13 09:11:03 <X-Fade> Jaffa: I'm sold already ;)
Dec 13 09:28:45 <rothiel> Hello World :)
Dec 13 09:33:09 <maddler> morning
Dec 13 09:34:01 <pupnik_> the jolly ~candylike~ N810!
Dec 13 09:42:52 * flip^ wants a N810 :(
Dec 13 09:44:39 * jeddy3 doesn't understand why many ppl thinks n800 is ugly...am I the only one that thinks it looks _really_ great IRL
Dec 13 09:47:52 <pupnik_> duno
Dec 13 09:50:09 <pupnik_> i doubt many people think it's *ugly*
Dec 13 09:50:25 <maddler> true...
Dec 13 09:50:40 <maddler> all the ppl I met have always agreed it's pretty nice...
Dec 13 09:52:14 <jeddy3> yeah thats true, people ive shown it to, nerds and non nerds, are all impressed
Dec 13 09:52:58 <jeddy3> but according to reviews, the impression i got was that people thinks it doesn't look good...and also that software is slow :P
Dec 13 09:53:33 <maddler> slow? :O
Dec 13 09:53:45 <maddler> btw... OS2008 is damn fast!
Dec 13 09:53:55 <jeddy3> yeah i know!? the looking part is more subjective, but how can people think it's _slow_?
Dec 13 09:54:13 <jeddy3> have they even tried using windows mobile?? :P
Dec 13 09:54:33 <maddler> what mobile? ;)
Dec 13 09:54:49 <jeddy3> windows mobile OS ;)
Dec 13 09:54:54 <maddler> no need for windows when you are outside... :D
Dec 13 09:54:59 <jeddy3> :D
Dec 13 09:55:18 <maddler> while windows keeps closing... Linux is open! ;)
Dec 13 09:55:28 <jeddy3> ...so that was a positive suprise for me, even os2007 is really fast IMHO
Dec 13 09:58:54 * jeddy3 is bummed about canola delay, but understands the dilemma
Dec 13 09:59:12 <maddler> ehhh...
Dec 13 09:59:24 <maddler> the wait is worth the result... :D
Dec 13 09:59:30 <X-Fade> jeddy3: Managers and lawyers, always a pain ;)
Dec 13 09:59:59 <jeddy3> true
Dec 13 10:20:13 <maddler> X-Fade: could you imagine a manager who is a lawyer too?
Dec 13 10:20:17 <maddler> OMFG!
Dec 13 10:20:40 <X-Fade> heh ;)
Dec 13 10:21:00 <X-Fade> _berto_: Any news on Vagalume? :D
Dec 13 10:21:30 <_berto_> X-Fade: yeah, new release today or tomorrow
Dec 13 10:21:30 <_berto_> :)
Dec 13 10:22:27 <X-Fade> _berto_: I wonder if it would be a nice feature to have the screen light up at the beginning of a track. This way you can easily see what track just started (When playin in radio mode)
Dec 13 10:22:55 <X-Fade> As option ofcourse..
Dec 13 10:23:23 <_berto_> could be a good idea :)
Dec 13 10:23:36 <_berto_> i'm a bit busy now, i'll come back later
Dec 13 10:23:48 <X-Fade> No worries :)
Dec 13 10:24:32 <_berto_> solmumaha: are you there?
Dec 13 10:27:40 <solmumaha> yes
Dec 13 10:27:58 * Jaffa was a little disappointed to find no Canola 2 to install this morning
Dec 13 10:28:09 <_berto_> i'll need someone to test it in the 770, if you can of course :)
Dec 13 10:28:16 <solmumaha> Jaffa: want something to do in the meantime?
Dec 13 10:28:28 <solmumaha> sure, soon as i get home
Dec 13 10:29:29 <maddler> Jaffa: ehhhh...
Dec 13 10:29:42 <maddler> something wrong with planet.maemo.org
Dec 13 10:30:06 <maddler> feed and and web page are out of sync
Dec 13 10:30:32 <X-Fade> maddler: Hmm indeed, let me take a look..
Dec 13 10:32:52 <maddler> anyone installed Modest beta?
Dec 13 10:33:05 <X-Fade> maddler: Sure, have been using it for weeks now..
Dec 13 10:33:27 <X-Fade> maddler: Although it got a lot more stable the last week..
Dec 13 10:33:31 <maddler> it looks like it keeps automatically downloading emails even if I told to not do so...
Dec 13 10:33:59 <X-Fade> Only the headers of the mails?
Dec 13 10:34:12 <maddler> not a big problem... if it wasn't that I get a few hundreds email per day ;)
Dec 13 10:34:21 <maddler> headers... I'm using IMAP
Dec 13 10:34:48 <inz> X-Fade, maybe it could morse it on the led instead, no need to turn on the display ;)
Dec 13 10:35:12 <sergio_> maddler there is an option in tools->settings
Dec 13 10:35:22 <sergio_> to auto-retrieve mails every x minutes
Dec 13 10:35:47 <maddler> ?
Dec 13 10:36:00 <X-Fade> inz: Nah, I think that decoding morse code will take more time.. Clicking on the screen is faster ;)
Dec 13 10:37:15 <inz> X-Fade, decoding morse is lightning fast — if you happend to have teh skillz(0rz)
Dec 13 10:38:04 <inz> X-Fade, it would be really useful for the 0.0001% of population (me not included)
Dec 13 10:38:26 <X-Fade> inz: Sure ;)
Dec 13 10:46:00 <lardman> morning
Dec 13 10:47:58 <hahlo> what distribution you recomend for maemo apps development?
Dec 13 10:48:18 <tsavola> ubuntu gnu/debian
Dec 13 10:48:38 <tsavola> debian gnu/ubuntu
Dec 13 10:48:44 <X-Fade> hahlo: Or just use the maemo vmware image.
Dec 13 10:49:37 <hahlo> does debian have crosscompilation tools?
Dec 13 10:50:08 <tsavola> emdebian does, but in the case of maemo you use scratchbox
Dec 13 10:50:23 <tsavola> which has the relevant cross compiler
Dec 13 10:51:00 <hahlo> and you can get it with apt-get?
Dec 13 10:51:20 <tsavola> see maemo.org
Dec 13 10:51:34 <suihkulokki> inz: hmm.. someone write a morse input method for the tablet? :)
Dec 13 10:51:35 <tsavola> (you can get scratchbox via apt-get)
Dec 13 10:52:08 <tsavola> (from scratchbox.org)
Dec 13 10:52:34 <inz> suihkulokki, mmh, that would be really useful for the same user group ;)
Dec 13 10:52:42 <Jaffa> solmumaha: sure, how can I help?
Dec 13 10:52:59 <hahlo> ok, good (just remembering how hard was get build-environment for familiar)
Dec 13 10:55:16 <hahlo> had to do qemu-hacks for omap and such shit
Dec 13 10:56:05 <tsavola> microsoft word - write qemu hacks and shit, yo!
Dec 13 10:56:38 <tsavola> or maybe the that should be: texas instruments omap - write qemu hacks and shit, yo!
Dec 13 10:57:01 <hahlo> yes ti sucks
Dec 13 10:57:01 <tsavola> but then no-one will get the classic irc url reference
Dec 13 10:58:12 <tsavola> i just came up with a related joke, unfortunately works only in finnish: omap on ongelmas
Dec 13 10:58:26 <tsavola> translation: "it's your problem"
Dec 13 10:58:34 <solmumaha> Jaffa: interested on trying to get mediatomb to work with tablet-encode?
Dec 13 10:58:43 <hahlo> but nice to hear that maemo is easier :)
Dec 13 10:58:58 <Jaffa> solmumaha: definitely. meeting now, though
Dec 13 10:59:00 <tsavola> hahlo: don't rejoice yet
Dec 13 10:59:00 <Jaffa> bbl
Dec 13 10:59:32 <inz> tsavola, "omap onp ongelmas" sounds better to me, but whatever
Dec 13 10:59:39 <hahlo> that one can build os images or apps if like
Dec 13 10:59:39 <solmumaha> Jaffa: k, i'll pm you
Dec 13 11:00:18 <tsavola> inz: you can send a patch
Dec 13 11:00:38 <tsavola> (i guess you just did)
Dec 13 11:02:23 <inz> tsavola, a patch to a oneliner -- that's way smart ;)
Dec 13 11:03:08 <hahlo> omap ipaqs had encrypted bootloaders and such...
Dec 13 11:04:56 <Spakman_> it seems that the centre button the dpad doesn't bring up the thumb keyboard for GTK dialog boxes, it exits the box. What should I use instead so that the thumb keyboard works in 2008?
Dec 13 11:04:56 <Spakman_> BTW, this is for a little pop-up window/dialog asking for search terms
Dec 13 11:09:58 <wplayya> hi
Dec 13 11:11:24 <wplayya> accepts start-stop-daemon --userr user on the n800?
Dec 13 11:46:09 <Spakman_> Can anyone help with my strange .service/.desktop problem? If I have an X-Osso-Service line in my .desktop file and try to launch the app, the whole GUI crashes and restarts (before even tring to launch my app). Any ideas?
Dec 13 12:01:21 * lardman realises that the byte reading code isn't all that bad after all
Dec 13 12:17:39 <Spakman_> do I need to do anything other than create a .service file to register my app with dbus?
Dec 13 12:21:21 <inz> Spakman, the application should call osso_initialize() or dbus_bus_request_name() (or binding specific similar function)
Dec 13 12:24:34 <Spakman_> inz: thanks, but when I specify a service in my desktop file, my entire desktop crashes and restarts before even calling my app
Dec 13 12:26:07 <Spakman_> any thoughts on that?
Dec 13 12:28:40 <inz> Spak, never heard of such thing...
Dec 13 12:29:12 <inz> Spak, maybe your service name has invalid characters and the desktop dies when dbus asserts blablabla_is_valid_service_name or something
Dec 13 12:29:26 <Spakman_> ah, I do have a hyphen...
Dec 13 12:30:28 <inz> I think it should be allowed, but quite sure
Dec 13 12:31:01 <inz> Do you have extra whitespace in the .desktop?
Dec 13 12:33:16 <Spakman_> inz: removing the hyphen stopped my GUI restarting!
Dec 13 12:33:38 <Spakman_> My app doesn't actually start, but I'm definitely closer - thanks.
Dec 13 12:36:05 <pupnik> http://www.gp32x.com/board/index.php?showtopic=38155&st=4440  finally i get the gp2x guys looking into maemo
Dec 13 12:39:57 <Jaffa> pupnik: as an OS for the gp2x?
Dec 13 12:41:06 <pupnik> for the successor which will feature 800x480 and omap3430
Dec 13 12:41:56 <Jaffa> And cost a gazillion dollars from the look of that thread, doesn't sound like it'll be mass produced.
Dec 13 12:42:32 <pupnik> should be in the n810 range
Dec 13 12:43:03 <lopz> hola
Dec 13 12:43:44 <pupnik> hi lopz
Dec 13 12:47:10 * alterego has a nice new computer with pretty compiz effects and KVM virtualization :D
Dec 13 12:47:15 <alterego> I'm so happy ^_^
Dec 13 12:47:57 <Veggen> need to get something that is nice for that soon, too. I'd like to play with virtualization, more.
Dec 13 12:49:25 <inz> alterego, now you can spend your time watching your windows wobble and desktops spin instead of doing something useful
Dec 13 12:49:51 <alterego> inz, yeah. It's kind of like interacting with some 90's pop music channel ^_^
Dec 13 12:50:03 <alterego> I keep expecting to see that head guy pop up ..
Dec 13 12:53:45 <Spakman_> alterego: I'm trying to initialise libosso in my ruby-maemo app, like so: OSSO.initialize "myapp", "0.1.0", but it throws an OSSO::InitError "Failed to initialize LibOSSO library.". What does this mean or what can I do to debug it more?
Dec 13 12:54:11 <alterego> Spakman_, are you using 'run_standalone.sh' ?
Dec 13 12:54:24 <Spakman_> no, this is on the device
Dec 13 12:55:59 <Jaffa> Hmm, my N810 doesn't like my 6GB Sandisk MicroSDHC card in a MiniSD adapter. But I'm not sure it's inserted properly.
Dec 13 12:56:56 <Spakman_> alterego: ah, that does sort it - thanks a lot!
Dec 13 12:57:57 <alterego> Spakman_, only on command line. If you're running it from the applications menu you'll have to add the service lines and the service file.
Dec 13 12:58:04 <pupnik> Jaffa: i haven't found many micro-minisd adapters - did you order yours seperately?
Dec 13 12:58:45 <Jaffa> Yeah, my Micro card came with a USB2 reader and a full-size SD adapter, so spent another quid or so on a Mini adapter
Dec 13 12:59:38 * Tak wobbles some windows
Dec 13 13:00:53 <Tak> hmm - I was going to ask pupnik something
Dec 13 13:01:33 <Spakman_> alterego: is it enough to have the desktop/service file point to a shell script that runs my app through run-standalone?
Dec 13 13:02:09 <inz> Spak, you shouldn't need run-standalone when launching via GUI
Dec 13 13:02:19 <alterego> You don't need run-standalone.sh when using .desktop and .service files.
Dec 13 13:02:51 <Spakman_> hmm, without it I get the init exception thrown
Dec 13 13:03:04 <Spakman_> (when using desktop/service files)
Dec 13 13:03:14 <Tak> aha!  pupnik: do you have an opinion about gbc emulators?
Dec 13 13:03:46 <inz> Spak, when launching from the menu?
Dec 13 13:03:53 <unique311> i have one. tak
Dec 13 13:04:08 <unique311> why, you have a gba emulator.
Dec 13 13:04:32 <inz> Spak, the GUI apps (and dbus-daemon) are "already run with run-standalone", which is mostly just exports, so any child of their will inherit everything
Dec 13 13:04:36 <unique311> no need for a gbc
Dec 13 13:05:24 <Tak> well...the gba emulator is extremely slow
Dec 13 13:05:51 <Tak> some people on ITT were playing with gambatte, a gbc emu
Dec 13 13:07:21 <unique311> these people do know that desmume compiled for the n800, right.
Dec 13 13:07:38 <pupnik> Tak no
Dec 13 13:08:09 <pupnik> Can't enjoy gbc games, too low res
Dec 13 13:08:41 <unique311> i think i ran a couple of homebrews on the desmume emulator.
Dec 13 13:09:16 <unique311> if they wan't to spend time on gambatte, they should really be working on something worth while like desmume.
Dec 13 13:09:24 <unique311> tak you have a link to the thread
Dec 13 13:10:19 <Spakman_> inz: hmm, I still get OSSI initialisation problems when I don't use run-standalone.sh and lauching from the GUI
Dec 13 13:10:31 <tsavola> ossi?
Dec 13 13:11:14 <Spakman_> s/ossi/osso/ :)
Dec 13 13:11:22 <Tak> unique311: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4573
Dec 13 13:11:39 <unique311> thanks
Dec 13 13:12:09 <Tak> heh, it's worth mentioning that because something compiles for the n800 doesn't mean it's usable on the device ;-)
Dec 13 13:14:39 <unique311> i used desmume on the device.
Dec 13 13:17:16 <unique311> just didn't think it was worth putting it out there. screen size turn me off from doing so.  lets just say that desmume screen area made garnet vm screen area look very big.
Dec 13 13:20:53 <Tak> was the speed ok?
Dec 13 13:21:00 <alterego> Grrr .. Call out. Later folks.
Dec 13 13:21:54 <Tak> heh, if a ds emulator is speedy on the device, vba did something very wrong
Dec 13 13:22:42 <unique311> yes.  had to remove gl stuff from the source.
Dec 13 13:22:46 <inz> Spak, that sounds really weird...
Dec 13 13:23:24 <unique311> but then again the stuff i ran where homebrew.
Dec 13 13:39:34 <Tak> wow, my network is screwed today - I can't even hit wikipedia
Dec 13 14:54:00 <aruiz> hi there
Dec 13 14:54:21 <aruiz> I can't flash my N800 using ubuntu and flasher-3.0
Dec 13 14:54:39 <lardman> kulve: you about?
Dec 13 14:54:39 <aruiz> it doesn't detects the usb device
Dec 13 14:54:55 <aruiz> and the perl script shown in the maemo wiki doesn't work either
Dec 13 14:54:58 <lardman> aruiz: you're not flashing through a hub?
Dec 13 14:55:02 <aruiz> nope
Dec 13 14:55:11 <aruiz> right into the motherboards usb input
Dec 13 14:55:13 <lardman> does your pc have an inbuilt hub?
Dec 13 14:55:16 <lardman> some do
Dec 13 14:55:19 <aruiz> nope
Dec 13 14:55:30 <lardman> no idea then, sorry
Dec 13 14:55:32 <aruiz> lardman, I have tried in different usb ports already
Dec 13 14:55:56 <lardman> you're getting the n800 into the right mode I take it?
Dec 13 14:56:05 <aruiz> with the home button and so?
Dec 13 14:56:07 <X-Fade> aruiz: perl -pi -e &#039;s-/proc/bus/usb-/dev/bus/usb\000-;&#039; -i.backup <flasher>
Dec 13 14:56:13 <lardman> unplug from power, switch off, plug in usb and start flasher, plug in power
Dec 13 14:56:23 <aruiz> lardman, yes
Dec 13 14:56:36 <X-Fade> aruiz: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/Flasher_tool_usage scroll down to "Old Flasher utility on Ubuntu Gutsy, FC5 and other OS's with kernel 2.6.15 or better"
Dec 13 14:56:49 <lardman> of try 0xFFFF
Dec 13 14:56:54 <lardman> s/of/or
Dec 13 14:57:08 <X-Fade> aruiz: It has to do with usbfs not in your kernel..
Dec 13 14:57:19 <aruiz> oh
Dec 13 14:57:23 <lardman> ahhh :)
Dec 13 14:57:37 <X-Fade> aruiz: That perl string patches your flasher ;)
Dec 13 14:58:36 <aruiz> X-Fade, thanks
Dec 13 14:58:56 <aruiz> may I put flasher-3.0 where <flasher> is?
Dec 13 14:59:05 <X-Fade> aruiz: you might want to translate the html encoded quotes ;)
Dec 13 14:59:14 <aruiz> X-Fade, I was guessing so....
Dec 13 14:59:16 <X-Fade> yep
Dec 13 15:02:03 <aruiz> that would be 's-/proc/bus/usb-/dev/bus/usb\000-' ?
Dec 13 15:05:34 <X-Fade> aruiz: Hmm that doesn't work with 3.0 anymore..
Dec 13 15:05:46 <X-Fade> aruiz: strings doesn't reveal that string anymore..
Dec 13 15:05:50 <aruiz> X-Fade, :/
Dec 13 15:05:56 <aruiz> X-Fade, what should I do then?
Dec 13 15:06:04 * lardman has found his ogg_buffers filled with zeros
Dec 13 15:06:13 <Tak> sorry, that was me
Dec 13 15:06:28 <X-Fade> aruiz: Must be something else then :(
Dec 13 15:06:43 <lardman> Tak: please give the real data back, especially that magic Oggs at the start!
Dec 13 15:07:39 <lardman> otherwise I'll just see if I can track down why the data doesn't written to the right place
Dec 13 15:08:03 <X-Fade> lardman: Makes sense why it reported 0 bytes read ;)
Dec 13 15:08:26 <lardman> yeah, the byte-reading code works :)
Dec 13 15:09:03 <lardman> and in doing this (sending data back) I've fixed another bug I'd not seen yet (writing to the file on the arm-side), so it's been beneficial, sort of :)
Dec 13 15:22:59 <johnnynokia> is it just me or is there no keyboard shortcut to open the apps menu, on the 810.  I'm not referring to the per application menu, but the menu that lets you choose between all your programs whatever the correct name of it is..   Rather surprised if so, it's something one hits quite a bit.
Dec 13 15:23:36 <Tak> no "home" key?
Dec 13 15:26:13 <johnnynokia> that minimizes any current apps to show you the desktop yeh, but doesn't bring up the applications menu ...
Dec 13 15:27:20 <dragorn> it's a little clunky, but you can go left from the task switcher
Dec 13 15:27:24 <dragorn> and up to the other menus
Dec 13 15:27:41 <johnnynokia> ahhhh thank you!
Dec 13 15:27:47 <johnnynokia> hadn't thought of it
Dec 13 15:27:55 <dragorn> also i bet you could xmodmap a home button in somewhere
Dec 13 15:28:14 <johnnynokia> yep that works, clunky is okay, it beats having to take hands off keyboard
Dec 13 15:28:18 <dragorn> since I think all the hw buttons just generate x kb events
Dec 13 15:28:49 <johnnynokia> oh good yeh i was musing about that, really hard at least not having tab and pipe commands on keyboard for me.
Dec 13 15:29:26 <dragorn> so I'm not the only one who can't find tab :)
Dec 13 15:29:34 <Tak> hmm, the home key minimizes everything on a short press on the n810?  What happens if you hold it?
Dec 13 15:29:45 <johnnynokia> lol ;) no not at all
Dec 13 15:29:46 <dragorn> I built xmodmap if you want the binary, but haven't done anything with it
Dec 13 15:29:58 <johnnynokia> Oh yeh i'd love to have that
Dec 13 15:30:31 <johnnynokia> short press brings up list of currently open apps
Dec 13 15:30:40 <derf> Do you at least have a Ctrl key?
Dec 13 15:30:54 <johnnynokia> yes, one ctrl
Dec 13 15:30:57 <dragorn> johnnynokia: http://durandal.kismetwireless.net/~dragorn/xmodmap-chinook
Dec 13 15:30:59 <derf> Then tab is ^I
Dec 13 15:31:06 <dragorn> johnnynokia: That's just the xmodmap binary, no packaging or anything
Dec 13 15:31:33 <johnnynokia> dragorn: got it, thanks!
Dec 13 15:32:20 <Tak> oh - isn't that what you wanted?
Dec 13 15:32:30 <dragorn> derf: you'd think, not in normal apps though
Dec 13 15:32:49 <dragorn> derf: I believe ^I is different from KEY_TAB xsym
Dec 13 15:32:54 <derf> Do normal apps include xterm?
Dec 13 15:33:05 <dragorn> derf: xterm is a different key interpreter
Dec 13 15:33:12 <derf> dragorn: Then who cares?
Dec 13 15:33:21 <dragorn> I care when I'm entering form data, etc
Dec 13 15:33:48 <dragorn> johnnynokia: I could build you xev if you want too, but you have to share your results reconfiguring things :)
Dec 13 15:34:19 <X-Fade> dragorn: xev is in extras..
Dec 13 15:34:35 <dragorn> X-Fade: on os2008?  I don't think I've seen it
Dec 13 15:34:43 <X-Fade> yep..
Dec 13 15:35:02 <X-Fade> last item on the list..
Dec 13 15:35:35 <dragorn> X-Fade: you are correct.  thanks.
Dec 13 15:35:42 <X-Fade> inz packaged it ;)
Dec 13 15:36:13 <johnnynokia> dragorn: thanks for the offer regardless, i'll grab it from extras
Dec 13 15:36:23 <dragorn> btw if anyone has a wispy and wants to beta test nokia support, let me know
Dec 13 15:48:06 <inz> X-Fade, itwasn'tmeitwastheotherguy
Dec 13 15:49:44 <X-Fade> inz: Heh, i see you as maintainer?
Dec 13 15:50:06 <X-Fade> inz: I am looking at the mh version.
Dec 13 15:50:31 <inz> X-Fade, I though you said extras, I've never uploaded anything to xextras
Dec 13 15:50:35 <inz> -x
Dec 13 15:50:50 <X-Fade> yeah, hard to see in Application manager.
Dec 13 15:51:39 <Khertan_TheReal> hu !
Dec 13 15:51:41 <Khertan_TheReal> hi !
Dec 13 15:53:12 <inz> X-Fade, and even on mh, it shouldn't be in chinook repo
Dec 13 15:54:27 <kulve> lardman: ping
Dec 13 15:55:09 <X-Fade> inz: Hehe you are right. Hmm somehow I have the mistral repo in my AM.
Dec 13 15:58:36 <dragorn> heh usb mode switching in sw on an 800 is very far from stable
Dec 13 15:58:37 <dragorn> that's sad
Dec 13 15:59:27 <lardman> kulve: hey, I was wondering if you'd ever tried sending data using private ipbufs which aren't #pragma'd into the ipbuf section?
Dec 13 15:59:35 <Tak> meh, my 770's headphone port is going bad
Dec 13 15:59:52 <Tak> I have to apply upward pressure on the plug to get any audio
Dec 13 16:00:16 <Khertan_TheReal> Tak > so this is not hard to fix ...
Dec 13 16:00:25 <kulve> lardman: uhm
Dec 13 16:00:34 <Tak> ?
Dec 13 16:00:34 <kulve> I tried all kinds of things, but..
Dec 13 16:01:01 <kulve> lardman: I can't be sure about the pragma thing. Sorry. And now I'm off again
Dec 13 16:01:04 <Tak> Khertan_TheReal: you get your home plugin working?
Dec 13 16:01:50 <Khertan_TheReal> Tak > in ruby ... not very well ... it s work until i don't set timeout :)
Dec 13 16:01:57 <lardman> kulve: the data I've sent appears as all zeroes, not sure if this is actually their value or a side effect of where the buffer is in memory
Dec 13 16:01:58 <Khertan_TheReal> i ve contacted alterego ...
Dec 13 16:02:10 <lardman> kulve: np, I'll just do a test and see what happens
Dec 13 16:02:12 <Khertan_TheReal> and it s an implementation bug ...
Dec 13 16:02:22 <Khertan_TheReal> (he has forgotten to make a clean up :) )
Dec 13 16:03:02 <Khertan_TheReal> Tak> but i ve tryed again to made python binding working
Dec 13 16:03:10 <solmumaha> _berto_: got something for me?
Dec 13 16:03:13 <Khertan_TheReal> s/i ve/i ven't
Dec 13 16:03:49 <_berto_> solmumaha: are you at home? :)
Dec 13 16:03:51 * Tak nods
Dec 13 16:04:03 <Tak> once he adds the cleanup method, you'll be all set
Dec 13 16:04:05 <_berto_> solmumaha: if you can try the vagalume 0.4rc1 in the 770 ...
Dec 13 16:04:20 <Tak> Khertan_TheReal: so what's your suggested fix for the headphone jack?
Dec 13 16:04:37 <Tak> _berto_: I'll try it tonight if it's in the repo?
Dec 13 16:05:12 <Khertan_TheReal> Tak > if your plug need pressure ... it just need to be .... "souder" (wait a few second i look a traduction for this word i ve forgotten)
Dec 13 16:05:22 <_berto_> no, i'm compiling it now, it's not the final version
Dec 13 16:05:29 <Tak> Khertan_TheReal: solder
Dec 13 16:05:34 <_berto_> i just want to test that nothing strange happens in the 770
Dec 13 16:05:39 <_berto_> like with v0.3
Dec 13 16:05:53 <Tak> ah - then if you give me the url, I'll try it tonight ;-)
Dec 13 16:06:05 <Tak> or email or something
Dec 13 16:06:23 <kulve> lardman: I think I used the pragma always..
Dec 13 16:06:31 <_berto_> I'll be here tonight
Dec 13 16:06:32 <_berto_> :)
Dec 13 16:06:57 <Khertan_TheReal> Tak > thanks ... online traductor give me the word "weld" ... i seem s strange word for me ;)
Dec 13 16:07:30 <bstock> if I have a microSD SDHC-compliant microSD card, and i want to put it in a n810 which has miniSD-slot, will any micro-to-mini adapter work or do i need a special SDHC-compliant adapter?
Dec 13 16:07:38 <Khertan_TheReal> Tak > many time it s the shield wich need to be solder :)
Dec 13 16:08:11 <Khertan_TheReal> Tak > take a look on thoughtfix there is a some instruction on how to open an n800
Dec 13 16:09:29 <Tak> "weld" would work also, although it's generally used for larger things, not electronics
Dec 13 16:09:48 <Tak> btw, s/traduct/translat/g  ;-)
Dec 13 16:09:57 <solmumaha> _berto_: i'm ready when you're ready
Dec 13 16:10:01 <Tak> I'm not going to solder anything, though
Dec 13 16:10:12 <_berto_> solmumaha: great!
Dec 13 16:10:17 <Khertan_TheReal> Tak > tak :)
Dec 13 16:11:04 <Jaffa> Given I don't trust everyone to be uploading stuff to extras(-devel), what the the URL of that repository database?
Dec 13 16:11:18 <Khertan_TheReal> where does you pseudo come from ? a stephen king books ? (tak the devil)
Dec 13 16:11:24 <Tak> yes.
Dec 13 16:11:45 <Khertan_TheReal> lol i ve the same some years ago :)
Dec 13 16:12:38 <Khertan_TheReal> but i ve found there are too many "Tak" in the world :)
Dec 13 16:12:56 <Tak> yeah...but I'm too lazy to change now
Dec 13 16:13:20 <johnnynokia> Tak a la
Dec 13 16:14:19 <Tak> can de lach! mi him en tow!
Dec 13 16:14:37 <_berto_> solmumaha: http://people.igalia.com/berto/files/vagalume_0.4rc1-1gregale1_armel.deb
Dec 13 16:15:15 <johnnynokia> lol! yep that's it
Dec 13 16:15:36 <Tak> oh, gregale
Dec 13 16:17:18 <solmumaha> _berto_: seems to work fine
Dec 13 16:18:07 <_berto_> look at the new Tag & Recommend dialogs
Dec 13 16:18:12 <_berto_> those are the major changes in the UI
Dec 13 16:18:45 <_berto_> (and the first one is still a bit confusing, I'll have to work more on it)
Dec 13 16:20:19 <k-s> disq: http://lms.garage.maemo.org/ I added some docs and generated the tarballs
Dec 13 16:20:33 <k-s> disq: if you can take a look, please
Dec 13 16:21:17 <solmumaha> seem to work, finds friends etc.
Dec 13 16:21:25 <_berto_> great!
Dec 13 16:21:26 <_berto_> :)
Dec 13 16:21:56 <Tak> can you recommend to a group?
Dec 13 16:22:39 <_berto_> I'd like to know how
Dec 13 16:22:58 <_berto_> the official client can't (at least the latest version I tried)
Dec 13 16:23:06 <_berto_> I also don't know how to recommend to several users at once
Dec 13 16:23:16 <Jaffa> k-s: is this being used in Canola2?
Dec 13 16:23:23 <_berto_> (apart from sending a request for each friend)
Dec 13 16:23:25 <k-s> Jaffa: yes
Dec 13 16:23:45 <k-s> Jaffa: I wrote it separated so we could release as open source
Dec 13 16:23:49 <k-s> Jaffa: so everyone can use
Dec 13 16:23:57 <Tak> the web interface can, though; although I dunno if they exposed it to the UI
Dec 13 16:24:02 <Tak> s/UI/API/
Dec 13 16:24:02 <infobot> Tak meant: the web interface can, though; although I dunno if they exposed it to the API
Dec 13 16:24:13 <_berto_> Tak: yes, I have the same doubt
Dec 13 16:24:15 <k-s> Jaffa: the core is pretty stable and ready, just lack some plugins
Dec 13 16:24:34 <k-s> Jaffa: provided are jpeg, id3lib, ogg, m3u, pls
Dec 13 16:24:36 <Jaffa> k-s: cool. have you chatted with the Nokia folks responsible for meta-crawler to see if they'll use it?
Dec 13 16:24:45 <_berto_> I also don't know how to find the lists of groups where a user is in
Dec 13 16:24:51 <k-s> Jaffa: and a video-dummy, that does not parse at all, just register know media using the extension
Dec 13 16:24:59 <k-s> Jaffa: not yet
Dec 13 16:25:04 <k-s> Jaffa: probably they'll not use it
Dec 13 16:25:20 <k-s> (dunno why)
Dec 13 16:25:22 <k-s> :-)
Dec 13 16:25:23 <Jaffa> No, the media folks don't seem massively involved in the community
Dec 13 16:27:39 <Tak> k-s: would you accept a ruby api? ;-)
Dec 13 16:28:36 <k-s> Tak: for sure!
Dec 13 16:29:03 <k-s> Tak: I just wrote the Python because we need in Canola, but you can write the Ruby and I'd place in repository
Dec 13 16:29:11 * Tak nods
Dec 13 16:30:12 <Khertan_TheReal> bye
Dec 13 16:34:08 <Tak> I might change "svn co https://garage.maemo.org/svn/lms  lightmediascanner" to "svn co https://garage.maemo.org/svn/lms/lightmediascanner  lightmediascanner" on the website ;-)
Dec 13 16:43:59 <Tak> k-s: is sqlite>=3.3 a hard requirement?
Dec 13 16:44:21 <k-s> maybe, I have not tried with older versions
Dec 13 16:44:31 <k-s> Tak: but you need at least sqlite3
Dec 13 16:44:44 <Tak> yeah, my bora sbox has 3.2
Dec 13 16:44:56 * Tak munge configure.ac and try again
Dec 13 16:45:01 <k-s> Tak: ah, ok, it works with sb/bora
Dec 13 16:45:24 <k-s> but I remember myself using newer version
Dec 13 16:46:18 <Tak> "../../src/lib/.libs/liblightmediascanner.so: undefined reference to `sqlite3_db_handle'"
Dec 13 16:53:10 * Tak unmunge configure.ac, upgrade sqlite, try again
Dec 13 17:11:55 <tontsa> do you guys happen to know how make n810's xterm to display accented characters(umlauts) instead of drawing boxes (tried diffrent fonts)
Dec 13 17:14:15 <inz> ü
Dec 13 17:22:42 <dragorn> tontsa: it may not be compiled with multibyte, but that's just a guess
Dec 13 17:22:54 <dragorn> tontsa: you could also try seeing what LANG is set to
Dec 13 17:24:31 <tontsa> ok, will do, once i figure out how to terminate my blueetooth connection. clicking Disconnect doesn't do anything and the bt-connection is somehow stuck
Dec 13 17:26:52 <tontsa> lang is en_GB, will try fi_FI
Dec 13 17:29:39 <johnnynokia> on my 810 i've had connectin problems where i have to restart the icd daemon, don't know if restarting it might help
Dec 13 17:30:22 <tontsa> problem seems to be more "screen". before deteching the screen umlauts work just fine.. so it's some funny terminal emulation problem
Dec 13 17:31:00 <johnnynokia> ohhh do you have screen for the 810
Dec 13 17:31:03 * johnnynokia drool
Dec 13 17:33:14 <tontsa> nope.. i ssh to my linux box where i detach the screen
Dec 13 17:33:36 <tontsa> seems to be only irssi that is having the problems.. other windows inside the screen display umlauts just fine
Dec 13 17:34:31 <johnnynokia> ahh oic
Dec 13 17:41:37 <till1> hi, i just got a n800, it started one time, than i shut it down and now it does not start again
Dec 13 17:41:57 <till1> anyone can help me?
Dec 13 17:42:32 <melmoth> till1: charge it.
Dec 13 17:42:44 <melmoth> if it still fail, reflash it.
Dec 13 17:43:09 <till1> i try that, but shouldn't there be some status icon on the screen?
Dec 13 17:43:26 <melmoth> when you charge it, yes, there should be.
Dec 13 17:43:34 <till1> well there isn't
Dec 13 17:43:53 <melmoth> i m clueless then :-(
Dec 13 17:44:20 <till1> i tried to flash it an pressed home and power, but nothing happens
Dec 13 17:44:23 <steri> anyone know new eta for canola2?
Dec 13 17:44:38 <melmoth> till1: i would try with another charger, hoping this is where the problem is.
Dec 13 17:44:50 <till1> nope, already tried with another
Dec 13 17:45:13 <till1> how long do i have to press the power button normaly?
Dec 13 17:47:04 <melmoth> 3 to 4 seconds ?
Dec 13 17:47:15 <melmoth> i do not start mine that often actually, it s alwasy on.
Dec 13 17:47:22 <till1> :)
Dec 13 17:47:27 <melmoth> i think i remember there is the left pad flashing in blue when it start yp
Dec 13 17:47:34 <hugolp> yes
Dec 13 17:47:39 <hugolp> it does the blue flash
Dec 13 17:47:54 <till1> mine doesn't
Dec 13 17:48:13 <melmoth> may be a battery problem then ?
Dec 13 17:48:20 <till1> maybe
Dec 13 17:48:38 <melmoth> trying to put it out (not always easy) and back again for another charge, or trying another battery ....
Dec 13 17:48:53 <till1> i checked the battery, it got ~3,6 volt
Dec 13 17:49:12 <till1> can i put in a battery from a nokia 6280 ?
Dec 13 17:49:21 <melmoth> i have no idea at all
Dec 13 17:49:22 <till1> should have the same voltage
Dec 13 17:49:52 <till1> i read something about a problem with the charge-controller
Dec 13 17:50:41 <till1> do you know anything about that?
Dec 13 17:51:14 <melmoth> all i rememebr in internettablettalk.com was some people having problem with chargers.
Dec 13 17:51:36 <melmoth> but as i have no specific problem, i did not read hardware issue post that much
Dec 13 17:51:52 <melmoth> may be looking for post there and posting if you find nothing could give some hint ?
Dec 13 17:52:12 <till1> okay thanks, i think i just put the battery out for a while
Dec 13 17:52:30 <melmoth> good luck
Dec 13 17:52:56 <till1> i read that you can not flash if the charger is plugged in
Dec 13 17:53:27 <melmoth> if i rememebr correclty, you first have to charge it, then start the flasher with no power wire plug in
Dec 13 17:53:33 <till1> yeas
Dec 13 17:53:35 <till1> -a
Dec 13 17:53:36 <melmoth> then start the device
Dec 13 17:53:47 <till1> i need a way to charge the battery i think
Dec 13 17:54:41 <till1> btw does anyone know if there will be a skype version with video support?
Dec 13 18:13:07 <hugolp> is Mplayer for OS2008 available?
Dec 13 18:14:30 <Dasaev> hugolp, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12046
Dec 13 18:18:57 <hugolp> ok
Dec 13 19:06:40 <tank-man> is there a price for the os2008 upgrade for the n800 ?
Dec 13 19:07:56 <tank-man> or is it a free upgrade? i don't have a n800 yet
Dec 13 19:08:09 <sp3000> it's a very round figure
Dec 13 19:09:25 <GAN800> It's free.
Dec 13 19:09:39 <tank-man> hope that means 0. I was wondering cause I saw web sites giving info on entering a fake sn# and such
Dec 13 19:10:18 <tontsa> those are for the beta images
Dec 13 19:10:28 <sp3000> that was N800 owners fetching an N810 update
Dec 13 19:10:36 <steri> grab the new one from nokia's site
Dec 13 19:10:48 <tank-man> ok, thanks guys
Dec 13 19:10:50 <GAN800> Well, that was for accessing the N*819's image for N800 users.
Dec 13 19:11:03 <tontsa> very unstable bluetooth on n810, hope they fix it in coming revisions
Dec 13 19:11:07 <GAN800> Stupid iGo
Dec 13 19:11:16 <GAN800> I need to learn to type on this thing.
Dec 13 19:11:27 <GAN800> Howso, tontsa?
Dec 13 19:11:57 <tontsa> keeps dropping the 3g/gprs connection from phone and then you have to turn off bluetooth and turn it on again to able to connect
Dec 13 19:11:57 <hugolp> the mediaBox Media center is great
Dec 13 19:12:03 <hugolp> where did it come from?
Dec 13 19:12:20 <GAN800> Weird, don't have any problems with that over here.
Dec 13 19:12:29 <GAN800> A developer, hugolp.
Dec 13 19:13:49 <hugolp> GAN800:  no shit
Dec 13 19:13:50 <hugolp> XD
Dec 13 19:13:50 <sp3000> either that or a binary stork
Dec 13 19:14:54 <dragorn> tontsa: No problems with 810 bt here
Dec 13 19:19:46 <johnnynokia> hmm i use it heavily with my tmobile via bt and don't have that problem, i use it like 3 hours a day connected.
Dec 13 19:21:51 <johnnynokia> the phone itself getting connected often has issues, but that's pre-existing. i have same problem with it on my laptop
Dec 13 19:23:12 <johnnynokia> my bt keyboard seems to work fine, although i can type faster than the characters are displayed.
Dec 13 19:24:16 <GAN800> Yeah, that's a bit of a pain.
Dec 13 19:25:43 <GAN800> Reminds me a bit of a books in print catalog on an old Pentium II machine I had to use when I was working at a bookstore a few years ago.
Dec 13 19:26:04 <GAN800> 5 second delay between keypress and screen.
Dec 13 19:32:07 <|R> anyone has a suggestion for a cheap/good webcam under linux?
Dec 13 19:32:55 <GAN800> Probably any of the Logitech line.
Dec 13 19:33:09 <GAN800> Find yourself a compatability chart on google first, though.
Dec 13 19:34:31 <hugolp> |R:  how cheap?
Dec 13 19:35:10 <hugolp> you can get the philips npc900 for 60 euros, has very good quality, for video as well, and has support in linux
Dec 13 19:37:00 <|R> hugolp : well, i guess something not horrible but as cheap as possible (for someone else who needs skype video in linux)
Dec 13 19:37:04 <johnnynokia> thx maybe i'll checkout logitech, i'm okay with it so far though.
Dec 13 19:37:39 <GAN800> For webcam, johnnynokia.
Dec 13 19:38:52 <lopz> re
Dec 13 19:39:34 <hugolp> |R:  you can find webcams with linux drivers for 30-40 euros, Id check logitech as GAN800 said. For 60 euros you get the philips wich will give you better image and specially better video (it does real 30fps, it even gets more)
Dec 13 19:39:51 <hugolp> its up to you
Dec 13 19:42:27 <|R> hugolp : ok, thanks :)
Dec 13 20:23:33 <ds3> is there a way to just download a zImage with flasher and run it w/o flashing it on the device?
Dec 13 20:24:05 <keesj> run?
Dec 13 20:24:12 <ds3> yeah as in boot
Dec 13 20:24:34 <ds3> seems rather stressful to write it to flash if I am just testing a kernel
Dec 13 20:24:40 <keesj> did you look into the mmc / dual boot stuff?
Dec 13 20:24:47 <Olof> hello, im having some trouble reflashing my N800
Dec 13 20:24:49 <ds3> yes, that does it for userspace only
Dec 13 20:24:57 <ds3> i am changing kernels
Dec 13 20:25:01 <Olof> i have installed the initfs for dualbooting before
Dec 13 20:25:14 <Olof> but now i just want to remove it and run a single-boot system
Dec 13 20:25:19 <Olof> how can i achieve this?
Dec 13 20:25:38 <ds3> pop out the MMC or rename the init on MMC, I think that's all it checks for
Dec 13 20:26:12 <Olof> ds3: did you mean me or someone else?
Dec 13 20:26:41 <ds3> Olof: that was for you
Dec 13 20:26:45 <Olof> okey
Dec 13 20:26:46 <GAN800> ds3, read the flasher help?
Dec 13 20:26:57 <ds3> GAN800: did that
Dec 13 20:27:01 <Olof> ds3: i have removed all the memory card and then i runned the internet tablet software updater
Dec 13 20:27:10 <Olof> ds3: it finds my N800 but then the boot-menu appears
Dec 13 20:27:13 <GAN800> -k is for kernel only
Dec 13 20:27:27 <Olof> and it looses the connection so i cant upgrade
Dec 13 20:27:28 <ds3> Olof:  Hmmmm it needs to reflash the initrd
Dec 13 20:27:45 <GAN800> Basically, follow the steps for flashing the N810 OS2008 firmware onto an N800, but only flash the kernel.
Dec 13 20:27:49 <ds3> GAN800: right, it won't accept -k filename; it wants -k filename -f
Dec 13 20:27:59 <GAN800> -f is for flash
Dec 13 20:28:13 <Olof> ds3: yea, thats what i thought but how can i do that?
Dec 13 20:28:13 <GAN800> without -f, it doesn't do anything
Dec 13 20:28:23 <ds3> yes, I know that. I don't want to write it to flash. I just want to download kernel and have it run it
Dec 13 20:28:25 <GAN800> You've told it where the kernel is, but not what to do.
Dec 13 20:28:59 <GAN800> The only way to run the kernel is from flash.
Dec 13 20:29:09 <ds3> oh okay
Dec 13 20:29:10 <GAN800> Once you're done, just flash back you old kernel.
Dec 13 20:29:11 <zuh> GAN800: Nope
Dec 13 20:29:18 <GAN800> OK, nevermind, then.
Dec 13 20:29:24 <zuh> -l -b should do it
Dec 13 20:29:39 <ds3> with the number of kernel stuffs I am doing, that could be a significant wear on the flash :(
Dec 13 20:29:54 <zuh> ie. load the kernel and boot it (without flashing)
Dec 13 20:29:59 <ds3> let me try -l -b
Dec 13 20:31:52 <ds3> that worked, thanks!
Dec 13 20:33:51 <mschoolbus> hello
Dec 13 20:33:58 <Olof> ds3: you dont know any solution?
Dec 13 20:34:47 <ds3> Olof: only thing I can think of is to break up the fiasco image and manually force a flash of initrd, kernel, and userspace since what you describe seems to suggest it is being too "smart" about it
Dec 13 20:35:14 <Olof> hmm ok, is that hard to do?
Dec 13 20:35:38 <ds3> no, but I am not walking anyone through it and then get blamed for bricking stuff
Dec 13 20:35:40 <ds3> =)
Dec 13 20:35:48 <ds3> it is all done with the flasher
Dec 13 20:36:05 <Olof> then i need linux, right?
Dec 13 20:36:24 <ds3> uh... is there any other viable OS's? =)
Dec 13 20:36:54 <Olof> for servers, nah ;)
Dec 13 20:37:29 <BeBraw> they should make winuosx
Dec 13 20:55:06 <inz> graah, my blog is getting awfully lot of spam comments that aren't caught by akismet
Dec 13 20:55:46 <inz> Fortunately I don't get any real comments so I can just "mark all as spam" and "bulk moderate comments" =)
Dec 13 21:20:23 <Olof> ds3: made a post now
Dec 13 21:20:29 <Olof> at the internettablettalk forum
Dec 13 21:20:31 <Olof> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=108374#post108374
Dec 13 21:20:47 <Olof> lets hope someone knows a simple solution
Dec 13 21:27:22 <Jaffa> What's the OS2008 root password?
Dec 13 21:27:53 <inz> Jaffa, same as always, enable r&d -mode
Dec 13 21:28:37 <Jaffa> inz: Feh, too much hassle since I've not unravelled the special USB cable yet.
Dec 13 21:31:50 <glass_> special usb?
Dec 13 21:32:17 <Jaffa> The Micro-A/B cable, whichever it is on the N810
Dec 13 21:34:10 <Jaffa> Do I remember seeing something which made copying SSH keys to Maemo devices easier?
Dec 13 21:35:02 <halley> You coulda gotten this done in the amount of time you've complained about the hassle.
Dec 13 21:40:15 <Khertan_n800> Re
Dec 13 21:42:23 <tontsa> Jaffa, you can always install openssh and it will set root password for you.. then you can ssh root@localhost
Dec 13 21:46:50 <ShyBoy> I am trying to compile some codes, getting this error ---> http://pastebin.ca/815205
Dec 13 21:51:04 <tontsa> well like your error says, you are missing the gtk-- devel libs in their standard location
Dec 13 21:52:00 <ShyBoy> what is the name of the lib gtk-devel didn't work
Dec 13 21:52:29 <ShyBoy> is there anyway to find the packages available for install? like on N800 we can see those on application manager
Dec 13 21:52:33 <ShyBoy> ?
Dec 13 21:53:59 <sp3000> apt-cache search whatnot
Dec 13 21:54:09 <tontsa> it's debian in maemo, so apt-cache search
Dec 13 21:56:56 <milhouse> anyone getting "request or reply is too large" errors on maemo.org?
Dec 13 21:57:13 <milhouse> could be my squid proxy but doesn't look like it...
Dec 13 21:57:25 <tontsa> no errors
Dec 13 21:57:29 <milhouse> hmmm wierd
Dec 13 21:57:35 <milhouse> (thanks btw)
Dec 13 21:58:15 <tontsa> i'm liking adblock plus, now the browser is usable
Dec 13 22:00:12 <ShyBoy> tontsa: I don't see any gtk-devel in apt-get
Dec 13 22:00:16 <ShyBoy> how do i install it?
Dec 13 22:00:22 <milhouse> not my local squid - still getting the error when connecting direct to the internet, oddly it's only affecting one machine running FF 2.0.0.11 on Win2K3 server. Have cleared the cache and everything... oh well, can always use another machine... :)
Dec 13 22:01:02 <tontsa> shyboy, i'm guessing you need to compile the whole gtk yourself. i've really no clue on maemo dev yet. just got my n810 like 5 hours ago
Dec 13 22:01:05 <cbx33> hey all
Dec 13 22:01:19 <tontsa> milhouse, maybe your ISP has transparent proxy
Dec 13 22:01:20 <cbx33> anyone know how i can debug wpa_supplicant if it's there on the n800
Dec 13 22:02:12 <lardman> evening
Dec 13 22:07:47 <johnnynokia> if they haven't removed the options maybe you can run it in the foreground with deubgging
Dec 13 22:15:21 <milhouse> tontsa - could do
Dec 13 22:15:25 <pupnik> hi lardman :)
Dec 13 22:15:42 <derf> lardman: How are things going on the Tremor front?
Dec 13 22:32:58 <|R> http://www.ekxd.com/productshtml/UMPC001.htm <- haha
Dec 13 22:35:59 <lardman> pupnik: hi
Dec 13 22:36:11 <lardman> derf: ok, I've worked out what the problem is with all the zeroes
Dec 13 22:36:27 <lardman> my apologies for the tardy responses, I was called to watch Californication
Dec 13 22:36:54 <derf> A worthy endeavor, I'm sure.
Dec 13 22:37:13 <lardman> well it means my girlfriend won't disown me, so not all bad
Dec 13 22:37:19 <lardman> :)
Dec 13 22:37:34 <lardman> anyway, it appears that if I send the data back from the same buffer it arrived in it's fine
Dec 13 22:37:46 <lardman> but if I copy to anywhere with memcpy() it turns to zeroes
Dec 13 22:38:17 <lardman> this is not expected behaviour, I'll have a look and see if I can work out why this happens
Dec 13 22:39:28 <derf> That sounds like the DSP side isn't mapping the pages correctly.
Dec 13 22:39:33 <tontsa> Californication is good for first few eps, then it disintigrates into below mediocre
Dec 13 22:41:55 <tontsa> anyone have perl for chinook yet btw
Dec 13 22:41:57 <lardman> derf: it's strange as it works in the examples I've used before
Dec 13 22:42:33 <lardman> tontsa: this episode was just painful to watch, the daughter took the manuscript to the s&m secretary
Dec 13 22:42:38 <derf> Unfortunately, this is the part I actually know nothing about.
Dec 13 22:43:05 <derf> Well, I don't really know a great deal about Tremor, either, but I know how to read C code.
Dec 13 22:43:11 <tontsa> lardman, yeah it's pure downhill from there
Dec 13 22:43:22 <tontsa> well it has been 1-2 eps before that even
Dec 13 22:43:44 <lardman> derf: Looks like the rest behaves itself (he says), if I can get some useful data over it will certainly have more chance of working ;)
Dec 13 22:44:09 <lardman> tontsa: I tend to sit there and read while it's on, can't say I pay all that much attnetion really
Dec 13 22:44:43 <tontsa> i'm a tv-addict
Dec 13 22:44:56 <tontsa> now that there
Dec 13 22:45:05 <tontsa> 's writers strike i'm out of ideas
Dec 13 22:48:22 <lardman> I go through stages - sitting trying to hack at something or other on the computer, playing games, or reading...lots
Dec 13 22:49:04 <lardman> I bought Crysis, must try and finish it before I get bored or playing games
Dec 13 22:50:45 <pupnik> i love the crysis foliage and lighting
Dec 13 22:51:39 <pupnik> anybody here good with gpu shader programming?  i have a demo for high-density foliage i need help on :)
Dec 13 23:00:33 <lardman> pupnik: yes, looks lovely doesn't it
Dec 13 23:00:54 <lardman> anyway, bed time, will take a look at the memcpy issue tomorrow before work
Dec 13 23:00:56 <lardman> night all
Dec 13 23:38:26 <Atarii> quiet in her
Dec 13 23:38:30 <Atarii> here*
Dec 13 23:42:16 <tank-man> any recent deals on a n800 ?
Dec 13 23:49:42 <Atarii> so anyone here on a 770 and tried the adblock plus extension?
Dec 13 23:51:30 <pupnik> no
Dec 13 23:51:36 <pupnik> for microb?
Dec 13 23:51:39 <Atarii> yea
Dec 13 23:51:51 <Atarii> i want to know what the speed decrease is like
Dec 13 23:53:26 <pupnik> no idea - still using opera here
Dec 13 23:55:01 <Atarii> are running the OS from internal or mmc?
Dec 14 00:02:47 <skibur> hello?
Dec 14 00:03:10 <pupnik> mmc Atarii
Dec 14 00:03:12 <pupnik> hi skibur
Dec 14 00:04:18 <skibur> I´m thinking of  using nothing but my n800 for one month just to see if I can do my daily computing. :)
Dec 14 00:06:05 <pupnik> if you do, make a blog diary
Dec 14 00:08:09 <Atarii> yea sounds fun skibur
Dec 14 00:08:28 <Atarii> wat size mmc pupnik?
Dec 14 00:09:15 <skibur> I didnt know that Pidgin had IRC support.
Dec 14 00:10:19 <Atarii> yea, i tried it earlier for the first time
Dec 14 00:10:22 <Atarii> was confusing
Dec 14 00:13:32 <skibur> Well I´m done with finals and I need something to work on.
Dec 14 00:13:37 <dragorn> skibur: a friend just got an 810 to be his primary computer
Dec 14 00:13:51 <skibur> nice
Dec 14 00:14:20 <skibur> Do you have a iGO keyboard?
Dec 14 00:15:02 <dragorn> me? No.
Dec 14 00:15:05 <skibur> I´ve notice that the  ´  has a delay or maybe there is something stuck on the key board.  Still don´t know.
Dec 14 00:17:37 <skibur> must be with Pidgin because I can using other symbols on the same key with no delay
Dec 14 00:19:42 <skibur> Anyways, I guess I going to unpack. I just arrived home and all my stuff are in bags .  Later hackers!!!
Dec 14 00:25:31 <pupnik> Atarii: 2GB
Dec 14 00:54:33 <pupnik> "My N810 arrived yesterday from Nokia online shop (de) I ordered on Friday with express delivery and it came on Tuesday. " wtf.. nokia.de has em?
Dec 14 00:56:35 <pupnik> http://shop.nokia.de/nokia-de/product.aspx?sku=3752591&culture=de-DE   aha N810 finally on the shop in .de
Dec 14 01:01:58 <pupnik> i don't see where to edit my chosen tablet store in my maemo profile :(
Dec 14 01:45:47 <yabbas> I'm going to ask a question that's possibly  been repeated hundredsof times before.  "Has anybody's Developer Discount Code worked for them in the UK?"
Dec 14 01:45:56 <zerojay> ...
Dec 14 01:46:48 <pupnik> dunno
Dec 14 01:46:53 <pupnik> yabbas: do you have a code?
Dec 14 01:47:15 <pupnik> i see the devices are starting to sell in UK and Germany
Dec 14 01:47:29 <yabbas> pupnik: I wouldn't be asking otherwise :) [that's a yes]
Dec 14 01:47:30 <pupnik> but no update via email
Dec 14 01:48:03 <pupnik> yabbas: do you know if you can see, or edit the store you picked on the maemo.org profile?
Dec 14 01:48:08 <yabbas> someone on the mailing list suggested they work on the 15th ... but I didn't read anythign official anywhere
Dec 14 01:48:46 <yabbas> pupnik: good question, don't think I did.  Thoguh I specified I lived in the UK so assumed it'd default there.
Dec 14 01:49:17 <pupnik> yeah i guess we just have to wait.  i just saw today that nokia.de shop now has them
Dec 14 01:50:00 <yabbas> .co.uk has them too
Dec 14 01:51:00 <yabbas> Dev Application lists:  "Nokia shop to get the device from United Kingdom"
Dec 14 01:51:03 <pupnik> well nothing we can do then
Dec 14 01:51:52 <yabbas> aye, play the waiting game :) ... damnit, I'm itching for one!
Dec 14 01:56:01 <pupnik> by the time we get our codes confirmed, the shops will sell out of initial stock and be backordered, and we'll have to wait another month to get one.
Dec 14 01:57:25 <pupnik> i hope i'm wrong... but this looks most likely to me
Dec 14 01:57:26 <zerojay> I hope not.
Dec 14 01:57:59 <yabbas> Are there a lot of people out there who want it that badly?
Dec 14 01:58:27 <yabbas> Reviews were good, but imho I think most are going the *spit* Apple way.
Dec 14 01:58:30 <pupnik> the N810 made two popular publications "Top 10 Most Wanted for Christmas" lists (wired, cnet)
Dec 14 01:58:41 <yabbas> blimeh
Dec 14 01:58:42 <halley> yabbas, there are developers who got a very good deal but only through the official Nokia store outlets.
Dec 14 01:59:13 <halley> Oh, didn't read back.
Dec 14 01:59:16 * halley thumps himself on the forehead.
Dec 14 01:59:50 <halley> Personally, I think the platform is STILL way underdeveloped for mundane non-developers to have much interest.
Dec 14 01:59:52 <yabbas> halley: *g* s'all good.  I think the US stores accepted the codes so far but everywhere else hasn't yet.
Dec 14 02:00:06 <halley> As a developer, I'm loving it.
Dec 14 02:00:21 <yabbas> I'm in two minds so far - there
Dec 14 02:01:06 * yabbas curses his spack hands
Dec 14 02:01:25 <yabbas> I kinda wish we had more access to the internals.
Dec 14 02:01:53 <nomis> Mhm. Did anyone try a european discount code in nokias shop?
Dec 14 02:02:16 <nomis> Seems the german shop has them in stock but I am not sure if I may go ahead and enter my code.
Dec 14 02:02:41 <halley> I'm getting into pygame.  I wish arm python was able to precompile native elements, like psyco without the runtime memory hit.
Dec 14 02:03:07 <nomis> anyway - /me heads for the bed.
Dec 14 02:03:07 <yabbas> Should really look into pygame.
Dec 14 02:03:14 <halley> I also don't like hildon+pygame complexity.  There's no rational reason I have to know a thing about dbus to allow my app to minimize and come back.
Dec 14 02:04:11 <yabbas> shit, 2am and I'm reading pbfcomics >_<
Dec 14 02:04:27 <yabbas> bbl!
Dec 14 02:24:00 <Blair[idle]> soup
Dec 14 02:24:30 <pupnik> <- ravioli
Dec 14 02:24:34 <Ias> BlairX are u gettin the n800
Dec 14 02:28:09 <realcomix> Ha
Dec 14 02:28:18 <Ias> o
Dec 14 02:29:28 <realcomix> O
Dec 14 02:46:01 <ds3> just to confirm what I am seeing, on the N800, sound is not a normal PCM device but rather something that gets routed through the DSP. Is this right?
Dec 14 02:48:50 <rghosh> i believe so
Dec 14 02:49:18 <rghosh> my colleague says yes
Dec 14 02:49:34 <rghosh> for example in gstreamer, the element name for audio output is 'dsppcmsink'
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