**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Dec 20 02:59:57 2007
Dec 20 03:00:44 <K`zan> Doe they ever update "fresh" on the 2008 downloads page or does a re-release count as a new app there?
Dec 20 03:01:23 <K`zan> Very confusing and a good chunk of them aren't even there :-(.
Dec 20 03:15:23 <adammelancon>  /exit
Dec 20 05:06:32 <pupnik> Thu Dec 20 06:06:18 CET 2007
Dec 20 05:10:25 <FNS_136501> hi
Dec 20 05:19:32 <|R> does iphome for 2007 works with 2008? :)
Dec 20 05:37:12 <skibur> I think I found a bug in the browser
Dec 20 05:37:23 <skibur> I need someone to confirm
Dec 20 05:38:34 <pupnik_> no such thing
Dec 20 05:41:36 <skibur> ok N800 - OS2008 Application not responding when zooming pass %100 when viewing the Home page of http://internettablettalk.com
Dec 20 05:41:40 <unique311> i think the new os as a whole is a bug.
Dec 20 05:41:58 <unique311> can't freaking install apps speedy like i use to.
Dec 20 05:42:09 <unique311> slow as hell to install stuff.
Dec 20 05:42:15 <unique311> takes forever on the dl
Dec 20 05:42:23 <skibur> Can someone confirm this bug
Dec 20 05:42:48 <skibur> let me generate the error message
Dec 20 05:45:34 <skibur> (!) Web - Internet Tablet Talk no responding
Dec 20 05:48:31 <pupnik_> skibur: how does it work on other sites?
Dec 20 05:49:09 <pupnik_> A bug that happens only on one site is generally not a browser fault.
Dec 20 05:49:50 <jaharkes_> heh, last time I tried internettablettalk on my 770 it crashed the browser, kind of ironic to have a site dedicated to internet tablets which doesn't work on them.
Dec 20 05:51:21 <pupnik_> works great with links browser :)
Dec 20 05:52:07 <pupnik_> unique311: the slowness is in the download, not in the OS.  right?
Dec 20 05:54:20 <unique311> pupnik_, not sure...and really dissapointed.
Dec 20 05:54:38 <unique311> yesteday it was 4 repos giving problems.
Dec 20 05:54:43 <unique311> today it was only 2
Dec 20 05:54:43 <skibur> It works fine on the sites I visit
Dec 20 05:54:59 <unique311> but still some of the stuff i was trying to install, didn't want to play well
Dec 20 05:55:23 <tank-man> maybe too many people are trying to update?
Dec 20 05:56:07 <skibur> yeah, its not the OS
Dec 20 05:56:27 <skibur> everybody is trying to download apps all at once
Dec 20 05:56:51 <unique311> why would updating the OS be messing up, installing apps.
Dec 20 05:56:57 <skibur> links?  The terminal browser?
Dec 20 05:57:20 <pupnik_> yeah but with graphics and stylus support
Dec 20 05:57:29 <pupnik_> needs a bt keyboard though, or xkbd
Dec 20 05:57:42 <pupnik_> never crashes, small and fast
Dec 20 05:58:18 <skibur> now my browser crashed on me
Dec 20 05:58:31 <skibur> it has to be a bug
Dec 20 05:59:18 <skibur> Do you have OS2008 or OS2007 pupnik?
Dec 20 05:59:22 <unique311> my application manager crashed alot.
Dec 20 05:59:37 <unique311> so i just gave up on trying to install stuff.
Dec 20 06:00:43 <pupnik_> 2006 old skuul
Dec 20 06:00:53 <skibur> cool
Dec 20 06:01:24 <skibur> wow, I have updates for N800 - OS2008 already?
Dec 20 06:01:30 <skibur> 84k
Dec 20 06:02:54 <skibur> woah I tried to install it, but it gives me a notice that it is from another untrusted source.
Dec 20 06:03:30 <pupnik> install what?
Dec 20 06:04:50 <pupnik> i wonder if anyone has been brave enough to open their n810 yet and post pics
Dec 20 06:06:27 <pupnik> Ars Technica on the N810: "The absence of spacing between the keys makes it very easy to fatfinger your typing."
Dec 20 06:06:34 <pupnik> hah new verb: 'fatfinger'
Dec 20 06:07:40 <skibur> Operating System updates on my OS2008
Dec 20 06:07:57 <pupnik> ok. surprising skibur
Dec 20 06:08:16 <pupnik> you sure it's not an updae of a non-OS package?
Dec 20 06:08:24 <pupnik> have you installed any non-nokia software?
Dec 20 06:08:40 <pupnik> maybe the update is for a piece of non-nokia software
Dec 20 06:09:09 <pupnik> "After using the hardware keyboard on the N810 for several days, I switched back to the N800 for a few days for comparison purposes. "
Dec 20 06:09:20 <pupnik> "Trying to use the command line on the N800 without the hardware keyboard seems painful to me now."
Dec 20 06:09:27 <tontsa> well some repos carry newer bluez-utils which you can't install since nokia's stuff depend on specific version
Dec 20 06:13:06 <skibur> hum... switching back to the blue pill
Dec 20 06:14:53 <skibur> is there a good website that shows all the repos?
Dec 20 06:15:11 <tontsa> in the topic there's http://www.gronmayer.com/it which is pretty good
Dec 20 06:15:21 <skibur> I would like to see what apps they have
Dec 20 06:15:24 <skibur> o ok
Dec 20 06:15:26 <skibur> thanks
Dec 20 06:15:41 <pupnik> Ars Technica: "The vast majority of third-party software applications available for OS2007 haven't been ported to OS2008 yet, but users can expect to see a lot more third-party software become available next month when developers begin to get the devices."
Dec 20 06:16:07 <tontsa> well there has been quite a lot of new stuff within few days
Dec 20 06:18:33 <pupnik> "I have communicated with several developers who work on Maemo ports of popular desktop Linux applications. Many of them are close to completing OS2008 ports and just need to do more testing on an actual device before officially releasing their work."
Dec 20 06:19:27 <pupnik> I'll STFU about that now.  Sorry.
Dec 20 06:20:36 <pupnik> http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/nokia-n810-review.ars/4
Dec 20 06:22:27 <kulve> inz: what's "ui-rework-inz-refactor"?
Dec 20 06:39:19 <pupnik> Thinking positive doesn't make things better, it makes you a better person
Dec 20 06:40:22 <tank-man> some would say that is just delusion
Dec 20 06:51:54 <Khertan> pupnik: someone have talk with the writer of arstechnica ?
Dec 20 06:52:36 <pupnik> Khertan: i don't know
Dec 20 07:08:04 <skibur> any program that can read doc files?
Dec 20 07:09:30 <astro76> Abiword AFAIK
Dec 20 07:09:40 <hahlo> probably not even strings work
Dec 20 07:09:49 <|R> not yet ready for 2008 from what i gathered though... :/
Dec 20 07:14:01 <skibur> o ok
Dec 20 07:14:16 <skibur> I was hoping for another one
Dec 20 07:14:23 <skibur> abiword needs work
Dec 20 07:14:54 <skibur> I was thinking of porting a document converter
Dec 20 07:15:41 <skibur> doc to txt    txt to doc    chm to pdf   etc....
Dec 20 07:16:12 <skibur> I know that Slackware has these app based console by default
Dec 20 07:16:32 <skibur> wondering if it will be useful
Dec 20 07:17:37 <hahlo> it would be cool to replace maemo with slack yes
Dec 20 07:19:22 <skibur> lol
Dec 20 07:24:55 <gm> slackware? heh
Dec 20 07:25:10 <gm> slackware? heh
Dec 20 07:25:13 <gm> whoops
Dec 20 07:26:06 <skibur> Slackware is my distro
Dec 20 07:26:42 <skibur> I´m running Slackware 12 on my desktop and laptop
Dec 20 07:27:41 <DeLe0n> skibur: i was trying to install armed slack on an at91rm9200
Dec 20 07:28:19 <DeLe0n> skibur: have u heard about armed slackware?
Dec 20 07:28:20 <sbz> but, slackware has poor package managers, so it wouldn't be not interested to write our own slackbuild to get maemo software :/
Dec 20 07:28:33 <skibur> I was reading on that myself
Dec 20 07:28:42 <skibur> yeah
Dec 20 07:29:11 <skibur> slacky is to simple that its hard to keep up with updates
Dec 20 07:29:39 <gm> i'd go debian if anything :)
Dec 20 07:30:16 <skibur> but at the sametime, I really don´t need features but reliability
Dec 20 07:30:26 <skibur> debian is good
Dec 20 07:30:31 <sbz> i prefer freebsd :)
Dec 20 07:30:42 <gm> ok, you port the kernel then :)
Dec 20 07:30:52 <skibur> I´m loving my bluetooth iGo Keyboard
Dec 20 07:30:53 <hahlo> most eastern europe hackers seems to use slack
Dec 20 07:30:56 <skibur> lol
Dec 20 07:31:12 <skibur> I´m from TEXAS
Dec 20 07:31:21 <skibur> way down south
Dec 20 07:31:36 <DeLe0n> skibur where?
Dec 20 07:31:41 <skibur> where the murder rate is freak high as well
Dec 20 07:31:48 <hahlo> I'm from east europe
Dec 20 07:32:01 <sbz> gm: i heard about freebsd arm, but i don't know anything about this port
Dec 20 07:32:36 <gm> it would be rather interesting having freebsd on the nokias though
Dec 20 07:32:37 <skibur> I near Nuevo Laredo, Mexico
Dec 20 07:32:45 <skibur> *I´m
Dec 20 07:33:01 <DeLe0n> skibur: I'm from Monterrey, Mexico
Dec 20 07:33:07 <skibur> nice
Dec 20 07:33:09 <DeLe0n> near...
Dec 20 07:33:35 <sbz> I'm from Paris, France
Dec 20 07:34:20 <skibur> skibur = skybur = rubiks
Dec 20 07:34:32 <DeLe0n> sss paris... i heard a mexican girl fell from the eiffel tower last week... don't know if its true
Dec 20 07:34:38 <hahlo> sbz: do you know place called louvre?
Dec 20 07:35:17 <skibur> Laredo?
Dec 20 07:35:17 <sbz> hahlo: yeah it's an art museum
Dec 20 07:36:24 <hahlo> sbz: there is computer lab under it. friend works there
Dec 20 07:36:50 <sbz> hahlo: you can see lot of painting from different century art movement
Dec 20 07:37:11 <sbz> hahlo: hehe
Dec 20 07:39:19 <skibur> well need to jet
Dec 20 07:39:31 <skibur> later hackers and users alike
Dec 20 07:40:12 * tigert <3's adblock plus for os2008
Dec 20 07:45:07 <pupnik> tigert: what kind of adblock database do you use?  does a large adblock list slow down browsing?
Dec 20 07:49:24 <tigert> I have no clue
Dec 20 07:49:28 <tigert> it JustWorks(tm)
Dec 20 07:49:40 <tigert> I think there is no ui to tweak it
Dec 20 07:49:43 <tigert> will have to look
Dec 20 07:49:53 <tigert> at my laptop i use filterset.g updater
Dec 20 07:49:57 <tigert> which works nicely
Dec 20 07:53:20 <sbz> pupnik: i use this http://adblockrules.org/download.php
Dec 20 07:53:43 <sbz> it works fine
Dec 20 07:56:08 <pupnik> the new browser is the biggest software event in the maemo world imo
Dec 20 07:56:15 <pupnik> congratulations to everyone who worked on it
Dec 20 07:57:35 <pupnik> The little devil on my shoulder is saying "Hildonize Dillo!"
Dec 20 08:02:12 <cy3o3> damn
Dec 20 08:02:44 <cy3o3> os2k8 *still* intermittent :(
Dec 20 08:33:09 <guerby> wow, the repo situation isn't fixed yet?
Dec 20 08:40:14 <timelyx> acydlord: ogo or oqo?
Dec 20 08:42:03 <timelyx> Vulc|Sleepysleep: the backup stores the names of apps, not the apps
Dec 20 08:46:56 <timelyx> pupnik: i've had links crash :)
Dec 20 08:47:37 <pupnik> wow.  good job :)
Dec 20 08:49:34 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Dec 20 08:49:41 <timelyx> morning
Dec 20 08:56:44 <L0cutus> the best thing to do for who is reinstalling all after os2k8, is to disable the "delete cached apt packages" in red pill mode and then install all the apps via xterm and apt-get, than save all the packages found on /var/cache/apt/archives/ in SD for backup
Dec 20 08:57:08 <L0cutus> after that is possible with dpkg to reinstall all this packages automatically
Dec 20 08:57:21 <L0cutus> (i've read this on itt)
Dec 20 09:12:48 <guardian> morning
Dec 20 09:21:17 <L0cutus> seems canola2 is available for install :)
Dec 20 09:21:46 <L0cutus> but unable to install due to missing deps
Dec 20 09:22:26 <chenca> L0cutus: wait , in a few minutes Canola 2 will be available
Dec 20 09:23:59 <L0cutus> wow :)
Dec 20 09:24:08 <L0cutus> thanks
Dec 20 09:25:42 <AD-N770> bon dia / good morning
Dec 20 09:26:38 <jeddy3> seriuosly? that will make my whole day! :)
Dec 20 09:26:55 <AD-N770> the problems with the maemo repository are not fixed yet?
Dec 20 09:27:18 <jeddy3> man, have i been missing canola since os2008 upgrade!
Dec 20 09:27:55 <chenca> we need to check the rep, hold on
Dec 20 09:27:57 <AD-N770> I also will upload nethack and tuner tool for IT2008 today :)
Dec 20 09:29:34 <AD-N770> but I've chinook beta and I would like to upgrade to final in order to do the builds, but the repo is not working
Dec 20 09:39:38 <timelyx> ad: out of curiosity, if you ping repository.maemo.org, what host does it list?
Dec 20 09:39:47 <timelyx> from one box, i get akamai and from the other i get edgesuite
Dec 20 09:41:22 <gpd> kagu is broken on 2008 for me - no such file or directory error
Dec 20 09:43:25 <acydlord> timelyx, it was an ogo
Dec 20 09:43:30 <AD-N770> timelyx: a515.g.akamai.net (84.53.146.16)
Dec 20 09:43:59 <timelyx> acydlord: hrm, i'lll have to look that up
Dec 20 09:44:09 <acydlord> i just noticed that the maemo.org repo and the firmware update just started working for me again
Dec 20 09:44:18 <acydlord> timelyx, http://ogo.com
Dec 20 09:44:34 <acydlord> from the site it looks like they added a phone feature to the ogo and it is out in parts of europe now
Dec 20 09:44:43 <gpd> kagu is now working on 2008 forme - python2.5-cairo required
Dec 20 09:44:49 <timelyx> cute, a gameboy for people who like keyboards
Dec 20 09:45:14 <acydlord> it's pretty much a sidekick without the phone portion, well was when i had it
Dec 20 09:48:41 <timelyx> so is the repository actually slow?
Dec 20 09:48:49 <timelyx> because form my perspective, it seems fast
Dec 20 09:50:53 <acydlord> it seems to be going a wee bit sow now
Dec 20 09:51:05 <acydlord> at least the extras repo is
Dec 20 09:51:19 <acydlord> havent downloaded anything from the main repo yet other than the new OS image
Dec 20 09:51:33 <acydlord> but that only took about a minute 30
Dec 20 09:55:21 <acydlord> wow, hildon-application-manager is running at 121%
Dec 20 09:55:43 <acydlord> 208% lol
Dec 20 09:56:59 <timelyx> i'm sure the repository won't appreciate what i'm doing very much, but it seems to be relatively responsive
Dec 20 09:57:19 <acydlord> lol, what are you doing to it?
Dec 20 09:58:19 <timelyx> downloading dists/* and pool/*
Dec 20 09:58:39 <acydlord> no wonder it's laggy for some of us =x
Dec 20 09:58:47 <timelyx> i started after you complained
Dec 20 09:59:11 <timelyx> it's only giving me ~12K/s
Dec 20 09:59:48 <acydlord> anyone else have map showing up in availible updates but then complaining about being installed from a different source when you go to update it?
Dec 20 10:00:49 <timelyx> cute
Dec 20 10:04:53 <cy3o3> Damn
Dec 20 10:05:00 <cy3o3> I cannot get os2k8 to finish :(
Dec 20 10:05:10 <timelyx> "finish"?
Dec 20 10:05:27 <cy3o3> yeah, the d/l keeps stopping
Dec 20 10:05:37 <cy3o3> 12mb, sometimes 35mb, sometimes 6mb, etc :P  Really annoying
Dec 20 10:05:49 <acydlord> it was giving me timeouts and corrupt files earlier, then about 15 min ago it worked
Dec 20 10:05:51 <timelyx> please call nokia care and complain :)
Dec 20 10:05:54 <timelyx> (seriously)
Dec 20 10:06:25 <acydlord> well the topic says the problem is being worked on
Dec 20 10:06:29 <cy3o3> yeah
Dec 20 10:06:39 <timelyx> acydlord: complaints are still useful
Dec 20 10:07:07 <gpd> [canola2 downloads... along with a *lot* of other stuff]
Dec 20 10:07:27 <acydlord> canola2 released now?
Dec 20 10:07:42 * timelyx needs to add -np to these wgets
Dec 20 10:07:57 <acydlord> i like this restore applications feature
Dec 20 10:08:20 <gpd> canola2_2.0.0~beta1-maemo.1_all.deb
Dec 20 10:09:40 <chenca> in a few minutes :-) but, we are testing the repository
Dec 20 10:09:56 <chenca> so you can test too
Dec 20 10:10:28 <acydlord> i see
Dec 20 10:10:34 <gpd> I am running it now - :D
Dec 20 10:11:12 <chenca> gpd: this version canola2_2.0.0~beta1-maemo.1_all.deb ???
Dec 20 10:11:21 <chenca> or the new one?
Dec 20 10:11:40 <gpd> no - just the one above - but new to me
Dec 20 10:16:21 * flip^ peers at chenca ... is canola2's beta out?
Dec 20 10:16:42 <jeddy3> canola2 is SWEET!
Dec 20 10:17:05 <jeddy3> good work if anyone involved is listening
Dec 20 10:17:11 <etrunko> flip^: run for it
Dec 20 10:17:14 <chenca> in a few minutes... I hope
Dec 20 10:17:19 <etrunko> bora and chinook are available
Dec 20 10:17:22 <AD-N770> there's someone that could create a package for me on a final chinook build env?
Dec 20 10:17:29 <AD-N770> source is at http://personal.telefonica.terra.es/web/n770galaxy/IT2008/tuner-0.10.3.tar.gz
Dec 20 10:17:49 <timelyx> AD-N770: nice package name :)
Dec 20 10:17:58 <timelyx> or something. whatever n770galaxy is
Dec 20 10:18:05 <Ryback_> jeddy3: yep, we're here!
Dec 20 10:18:11 <AD-N770> just umpack and run dpkg-buildpackage
Dec 20 10:18:35 <Ryback_> jeddy3: we're releasing the site in a few minutes
Dec 20 10:18:55 <AD-N770> timelyx: my blog is http://n770galaxy.blogspot.com/ :)
Dec 20 10:19:26 <jeddy3> Ryback_, etrunko, chenca and all others: GOOD work!
Dec 20 10:19:29 <timelyx> btw, nethack is one of the few apps i use/like :)
Dec 20 10:19:36 <gpd> Is it sensible to run my /media/mmc1 as ext2/3 ?
Dec 20 10:19:46 <chenca> jeddy3: thanks!!
Dec 20 10:19:50 <Ryback_> jeddy3: thanks
Dec 20 10:19:54 <Ryback_> gpd: nope
Dec 20 10:19:56 <timelyx> gpd: plan on plugging your device into a mac/pc anytime soon?
Dec 20 10:20:11 <cmarcelo> jeddy3: if you have a blog, make a post about canola2 ;-)
Dec 20 10:20:23 <gpd> Ryback_: timelyx I only plug into Linux
Dec 20 10:20:29 <jeddy3> cmarcelo, sorry don't have one
Dec 20 10:20:33 <Ryback_> jeddy3: and file bug reports if you find any problems
Dec 20 10:20:51 <cmarcelo> jeddy3: ...or give some feedback in the new site we'll publish in a few minutes :)
Dec 20 10:20:59 <Ryback_> :-)
Dec 20 10:21:02 <AD-N770> timelyx: I expect upload packages for IT2k8 of nethack and tuner tool today
Dec 20 10:21:58 <chenca> dam designers,  always delaying the release :-)
Dec 20 10:22:07 <jeddy3> ok...just playing with the interface still...but one thing i thought of right away (and i don't intend to whine, cause overall it's great) ...but movies doesn't fullscreen on clicking them?
Dec 20 10:22:10 <Ryback_> lol
Dec 20 10:22:11 <flip^> chenca: run... for it..?
Dec 20 10:22:15 <timelyx> chenca: that doesn't happen here :)
Dec 20 10:22:27 <flip^> still looks like a delay notice on the web site :(
Dec 20 10:22:30 <jeddy3> only since you asked for feedback :)
Dec 20 10:22:51 <Ryback_> flip^: yep, just a few more minutes to the site be available
Dec 20 10:23:10 <flip^> aaah
Dec 20 10:23:17 <flip^> you guys the developers, or just in the know? ;)
Dec 20 10:23:22 <MoRpHeUz> jeddy3: thanks =) (with some delay)
Dec 20 10:24:08 <jeddy3> you all earned it
Dec 20 10:24:16 <etrunko> flip^: it's already available on extras repository
Dec 20 10:24:19 <flip^> aah
Dec 20 10:24:27 <flip^> are the repositories behaving today, i wonder
Dec 20 10:24:40 <Ryback_> jeddy3: the movies should go to fullscreen when you click them
Dec 20 10:24:44 <chenca> flip^: don't tell to anyone, please :-)
Dec 20 10:24:53 <flip^> chenca: i wouldn't dream of it
Dec 20 10:24:59 <MoRpHeUz> hehe
Dec 20 10:26:24 <jeddy3> Ryback_, wait let me double check...no...doesn't happen
Dec 20 10:26:51 <etrunko> http://downloads.maemo.org/product/OS2008/canola2
Dec 20 10:27:04 <MoRpHeUz> jeddy3: hhmm, strange...I'll take a look on that...
Dec 20 10:27:56 <jeddy3> they do go fullscreen on fullscreen button anyway
Dec 20 10:28:08 <MoRpHeUz> hhmm...
Dec 20 10:29:31 <rothiel> Hello World :)
Dec 20 10:34:05 <acydlord> hmm, i'm getting an invalid key from the nokia repo
Dec 20 10:39:38 <L0cutus> maemo repo are a real disaster...
Dec 20 10:39:58 <acydlord> that they are
Dec 20 10:40:19 <acydlord> well i'm off to bed, hopefully i'll have better luck with the repos in the morning before i leave
Dec 20 10:40:57 <jeddy3> how does one get album covers for that canola can read?
Dec 20 10:41:35 <MoRpHeUz> chenca: ^^^
Dec 20 10:41:53 <chenca> hum... this is not automatically yet, but you can use a python script to do this for you
Dec 20 10:42:36 <chenca> jeddy3: can you run a python script in your device? (using ssh maybe)
Dec 20 10:42:48 <jeddy3> chenca, yes thats fine with me, i'll wan't to do this for my entire collection for all players anyway
Dec 20 10:42:59 <jeddy3> chenca, sure
Dec 20 10:43:16 <acydlord> is tere a way to dump and refresh the gpg kys for the repos?
Dec 20 10:44:25 <chenca> jeddy3: go to this site http://staff.get-e.org/?p=users/chenca/canola-tuning.git;a=tree
Dec 20 10:45:13 <chenca> there you'll find 2 python scripts, one to download album cover from Amazon and Last.Fm and other to generate video thumbnails
Dec 20 10:45:46 <jeddy3> chenca, thanks!
Dec 20 10:46:29 * pupnik refreshes
Dec 20 10:46:46 <chenca> Canola2 store the album covers by default in ".canola/covers/<AUTHOR>/<ALBUM/cover-[i].jpg "
Dec 20 10:49:04 * Jaffa still thinks that's a backward step and Canola shouldn't have lost the "use cover.jpg from within the dir" (even if it does then cache it internally. End-users aren't going to download Python scripts from random git trees either ;-)
Dec 20 10:49:45 <X-Fade> Jaffa: Just change the code if it bothers you? :)
Dec 20 10:49:49 <Jaffa> Given the funky album art view, and the focus given to the album art within the music player - I'm surprised it's not a show-stopper.
Dec 20 10:50:17 * flip^ glares at his canola download sitting about 10% into the 6mb download :S
Dec 20 10:50:17 <Jaffa> X-Fade: indeed :-/
Dec 20 10:50:18 * jeddy3 agrees
Dec 20 10:50:31 <chenca> Jaffa: I will change the script to look inside the local dirs, so you can get you covers from Amazon, Last.fm or loacl dirs
Dec 20 10:51:15 <Jaffa> chenca: that'd be cool. presumably there are plans to bundle the script internally at some point?
Dec 20 10:51:49 <cosmo_> i just tested colleague's n810.. i'm VERY impressed
Dec 20 10:51:57 <chenca> for sure, but I can't say when :-)
Dec 20 10:53:59 <pupnik> http://www.mautner.ca/projects/hifi/usbdac.html  interfacing a USB DAC to your amplifier for low-noise playback from a linux machine
Dec 20 10:54:42 <ccooke> Are there any trusted mirrors of the os2008 update?
Dec 20 10:55:15 <X-Fade> I wonder why the repositories can be so slow. They are hosted by Akamai. They tend to have great geographical caches?
Dec 20 10:55:50 <ccooke> pass. Horribly slow, though.
Dec 20 10:56:28 <tank-man> ive seen it on many torrent sites
Dec 20 10:56:56 <ccooke> anyone got a good md5sum of the image?
Dec 20 10:56:59 <tank-man> check the md5sum after downloading
Dec 20 10:58:39 * MoRpHeUz officially launchs Canola2 Beta: http://openbossa.indt.org.br/canola2/
Dec 20 10:58:52 <MoRpHeUz> =)
Dec 20 10:59:00 <dorto> yay!
Dec 20 10:59:47 <chenca> We are very happy to announce that the new version of Canola is now available!
Dec 20 11:00:23 <cy3o3> well I give up on downloading os2k8 for today
Dec 20 11:00:23 <cy3o3> christ
Dec 20 11:00:24 <cy3o3> heh
Dec 20 11:00:33 <ccooke> http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/all
Dec 20 11:00:44 <ccooke> much faster downloads there
Dec 20 11:03:05 <ccooke> Hmm. Any rules on *not* topicing that url?
Dec 20 11:03:09 <timelyx> yes
Dec 20 11:03:13 <ccooke> it looks like it would be useful to people
Dec 20 11:03:21 <timelyx> the license you agreed to prohibits doing that
Dec 20 11:03:28 <ccooke> ah ha.
Dec 20 11:03:38 <ccooke> fair enough, then
Dec 20 11:03:59 <timelyx> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/272825
Dec 20 11:04:07 <timelyx> those are the rules (forever) that you clearly didn't read
Dec 20 11:04:27 <timelyx> ccooke: complain to nokia care
Dec 20 11:04:56 <timelyx> personally, my favorite part of the rules is that if i have 2 devices, afaict from reading them, i'm expected to download it twice :)
Dec 20 11:05:46 <ccooke> the rules also seem to contradict the GPL...
Dec 20 11:06:02 <timelyx> the rules cover stuff not governed by gpl
Dec 20 11:06:10 <timelyx> some of which is stuff nokia has under license
Dec 20 11:06:16 <ccooke> oh, I know
Dec 20 11:06:20 <ccooke> and I expect that
Dec 20 11:06:33 <timelyx> as for "combining" GPL w/ non gpl
Dec 20 11:06:49 <timelyx> my general understanding is that GPL covers linked and executable binaries
Dec 20 11:07:00 <ccooke> I just haven't yet found the part where their claims that you can't do anything with the stuff only apply where there isn't another license
Dec 20 11:07:07 <timelyx> i don't believe it specifically covers miscellaneous tarballs
Dec 20 11:07:22 <ccooke> not quite
Dec 20 11:07:32 <ccooke> This image is a *distribution*
Dec 20 11:07:40 <timelyx> gpl does have some requirements, but those are honored
Dec 20 11:07:47 <timelyx> if you ask nokia for sources, they will send you them
Dec 20 11:07:49 <timelyx> iirc on a cd
Dec 20 11:08:01 <ccooke> which means that Nokia are compelled by the license to include all sources *and allow you to make derivative works*.
Dec 20 11:08:23 <ccooke> it's perfectly acceptable, though, for them to block you from altering the rest
Dec 20 11:08:24 <timelyx> not include
Dec 20 11:08:25 <timelyx> never include
Dec 20 11:08:31 <timelyx> only make available to you at request
Dec 20 11:08:41 <ccooke> sorry, yes. poor choice of word.
Dec 20 11:08:42 <timelyx> very different
Dec 20 11:09:21 <gm> as long as it's not sveasoft-style...
Dec 20 11:09:38 <timelyx> anyway, keep in mind that if *you* re-distribute GPL files, *you* fall under the GPL obligations
Dec 20 11:09:47 <ccooke> timelyx: Naturally.
Dec 20 11:09:55 <timelyx> so if e.g., you get foo-gpl-1.0 from nokia today
Dec 20 11:10:00 <ccooke> I have no actual problem with nokia in this regard, btw
Dec 20 11:10:06 <timelyx> and you put the binary for foo-gpl-1.0 onto a server today
Dec 20 11:10:12 <timelyx> and nokia stops distributing it today
Dec 20 11:10:13 <inz> oo, the browser supports ipv6, yay
Dec 20 11:10:17 <timelyx> and i download it from you tomorrow
Dec 20 11:10:22 <kulve> inz: really? nice :)
Dec 20 11:10:23 <timelyx> inz: of course
Dec 20 11:10:33 <inz> kulve, it's disabled by default, but supported
Dec 20 11:10:39 <timelyx> then i can complain to you on the very last day of the gpl's license terms asking for source
Dec 20 11:10:54 <timelyx> but you can't get the source from nokia, because your grant from them would have expired
Dec 20 11:10:56 <kulve> inz: did you notice my earlier question?
Dec 20 11:11:04 <inz> kulve, which one?
Dec 20 11:11:07 <timelyx> you're then up a very odd creek without a paddle :)
Dec 20 11:11:08 <kulve> 08:22
Dec 20 11:11:12 <ccooke> timelyx: not really
Dec 20 11:11:43 * timelyx waits for an explanation
Dec 20 11:11:59 <inz> kulve, I tried to fix some code uglinesses in the "ui-rework" osso-xterm
Dec 20 11:12:06 <ccooke> timelyx: /me double-checks - it's actually been a while since I read the GPL :-)
Dec 20 11:12:19 <kulve> inz: should the 2008 version support launching the term like "xterm command"?
Dec 20 11:12:24 <timelyx> i suppose i should pin to a specific version of gpl too
Dec 20 11:12:33 <inz> kulve, I think it should, not sure
Dec 20 11:12:44 <kulve> inz: I couldn't get it working with a quick try..
Dec 20 11:12:46 <inz> kulve, they might have broken it, I wash my hands of the bundled version ;)
Dec 20 11:12:57 <ccooke> gotcha.
Dec 20 11:13:02 <ccooke> timelyx: go on, then?
Dec 20 11:13:07 <kulve> inz: I want the old version back :)
Dec 20 11:13:18 <timelyx> gpl2 -  http://www.opensource.org/licenses/gpl-license.php
Dec 20 11:13:22 <ccooke> timelyx: althguoh v2 seems the most sensible for this purpose, being the most common.
Dec 20 11:13:30 <ccooke> timelyx: Okay, then. I will get you the source.
Dec 20 11:13:34 <ccooke> timelyx: *at my cost*
Dec 20 11:13:47 <inz> kulve, it's in the trunk, I guess I should fix it
Dec 20 11:13:49 <ccooke> timelyx: that cost, if the source is no longer available, may be prohibitive
Dec 20 11:13:55 <timelyx> see 3.b.
Dec 20 11:13:56 <inz> kulve, IIRC it doesn't quite compile on any target currently
Dec 20 11:14:05 <timelyx> 3. You may copy and distribute the Program
Dec 20 11:14:13 <timelyx> b) Accompany it with a written offer, valid for at least three
Dec 20 11:14:14 <timelyx> years, to give any third party
Dec 20 11:14:14 <ccooke> timelyx: for a charge no more than your cost of physically performing source distribution
Dec 20 11:15:12 * timelyx smells a weasel
Dec 20 11:15:18 <kulve> inz: please do :)
Dec 20 11:15:19 <ccooke> if I have no copy of the source and no original vendor, then I'd have to obtain a copy. I would then pass that cost (and only that cost) to you.
Dec 20 11:15:22 <timelyx> ccooke: i don't understand how that helps
Dec 20 11:15:24 <kulve> inz: I'm ready to test it, if there's need
Dec 20 11:15:36 <timelyx> ccooke: hrm, interesting
Dec 20 11:15:47 <timelyx> but you'd be obligated to do that, yes?
Dec 20 11:15:49 <ccooke> timelyx: oh yes
Dec 20 11:16:16 <timelyx> if you go bankrupt first and fail to accomplish, can you recover your costs? :)
Dec 20 11:16:49 <ccooke> timelyx: well, the license makes no statement as to whether you charge *before* or *after*
Dec 20 11:17:03 <timelyx> hrm
Dec 20 11:17:14 <ccooke> timelyx: I suspect the only way to do this would be via repeated invoice with due dilligence, to prove I'm using the cheapest methods possible
Dec 20 11:17:35 <flip^> hmm, is the upnp stuff not in canola2 after all?
Dec 20 11:17:42 <timelyx> i believe i'm actually used to people asking for postage in advance
Dec 20 11:17:47 <timelyx> so yes, i can see that
Dec 20 11:17:53 <timelyx> but yeah, that'd be i nteresting
Dec 20 11:18:04 <lardman> Is canola open source now?
Dec 20 11:18:17 <ccooke> timelyx: of course... if I *failed* to comply, I'd merely lose the right to distribute that file under the GPL
Dec 20 11:18:18 <chenca> lardman: some parts are
Dec 20 11:18:44 <timelyx> ccooke: which i suppose you wouldn't mind losing
Dec 20 11:18:47 <timelyx> cheater
Dec 20 11:19:19 <kulve> inz: the kernel doesn't have ipv6 turned on by default, right?
Dec 20 11:19:21 <chenca> flip^: the UPnP functionality will be provide in a plugin, this plugin will be available soon
Dec 20 11:19:26 <ccooke> timelyx: and I doubt the whole problem would stand up in court - taking someone to court over something like that would look far too much like a premeditated attempt to cause trouble for somoene
Dec 20 11:19:42 <lardman> chenca: which parts aren't, or is that on the site somewhere?
Dec 20 11:19:47 <timelyx> ccooke: anyway, the problem is that the same weaseling can be done by someone bigger
Dec 20 11:19:54 <flip^> chenca: ah, cool... it'll be nice to have everything in one media application finally :)
Dec 20 11:19:58 <timelyx> they could stop distributing their binary on some day
Dec 20 11:20:07 <timelyx> and stop distributing the sources for it on the same day
Dec 20 11:20:10 <chenca> lardman: http://openbossa.indt.org.br/canola2/developer.html
Dec 20 11:20:17 <timelyx> claiming they've relinquished the right to distribute that binary :)
Dec 20 11:20:24 <ccooke> timelyx: *nod*
Dec 20 11:20:25 <timelyx> which is really not the goal of gpl
Dec 20 11:20:37 <timelyx> so one would hope that *that* is not really acceptable
Dec 20 11:20:40 <ccooke> timelyx: on the other hand... they could never then release an updated or *related* version
Dec 20 11:20:51 <ccooke> and that doesn't work as a business model
Dec 20 11:20:54 <lardman> Atabake then, the media engine
Dec 20 11:21:59 <ccooke> timelyx: basically, that's a tactic that would not *work* for any reasonably large company
Dec 20 11:22:07 * timelyx nods
Dec 20 11:22:36 <timelyx> ccooke: iirc there have been amusing instances of this sort of thing basically killing small linux distributions
Dec 20 11:23:39 <ccooke> oh?
Dec 20 11:23:55 <timelyx> slashdot article from a few years past
Dec 20 11:24:06 <timelyx> i can't think of any useful way to search for it
Dec 20 11:24:36 <timelyx> but basically it revolved around distributions which basically collected files from other distributions to make tiny distros
Dec 20 11:24:44 <ccooke> ahh
Dec 20 11:24:50 <timelyx> but they didn't have the resources to host the sources
Dec 20 11:24:58 <timelyx> the sources would of course be much larger than the distro
Dec 20 11:25:04 <tontsa> that same question was raised with the various ubuntu editions
Dec 20 11:25:06 <ccooke> (you know, it's really nice using a linux PDA that's got working *USB2*)
Dec 20 11:25:11 <sp3000> timelyx: hrm, did you read part 5 of the os license? :)
Dec 20 11:25:17 <ccooke> (reflashing *should* only take moments)
Dec 20 11:25:25 <timelyx> sp3000: um,... .
Dec 20 11:25:37 <ccooke> tontsa: ... but ubuntu *does* have sources
Dec 20 11:25:40 <timelyx> yeah i read that
Dec 20 11:25:45 <timelyx> it was um... odd?
Dec 20 11:25:52 <tontsa> ccooke, yeah but those various unofficial spin-offs
Dec 20 11:25:57 <timelyx> oh wait
Dec 20 11:26:06 <timelyx> right, that means that no matter how many times i download it
Dec 20 11:26:12 <timelyx> i can still only install it on one device
Dec 20 11:26:13 <timelyx> gotcha :)
Dec 20 11:26:42 <timelyx> sp3000: did i misread anything?
Dec 20 11:27:25 <timelyx> ooh
Dec 20 11:27:27 <timelyx> i missed that part
Dec 20 11:27:40 <sp3000> depends
Dec 20 11:27:43 <timelyx> you're not allowed to use the old software for more than 90 days after getting newer software
Dec 20 11:27:52 <timelyx> i wonder if my 770 is in violation
Dec 20 11:28:01 <timelyx> it's running mistral
Dec 20 11:28:29 <timelyx> although, i don't believe i've ever *received*  gregale
Dec 20 11:28:45 <sp3000> I guess you need to delete cookies or wait for them to expire so you can agree again :)
Dec 20 11:28:56 <timelyx> ?
Dec 20 11:29:08 <sp3000> for the former, not the latter
Dec 20 11:29:33 <sp3000> oh well, enough magic, time for lunch
Dec 20 11:29:39 <timelyx> i'll see you there
Dec 20 11:34:42 <gm> repository.maemo.org is acting very strange
Dec 20 11:34:53 <gm> it's alternating between coming down at 300k/s, and timing out
Dec 20 11:35:04 <gm> 5 seconds apart
Dec 20 11:36:20 <youam> gm: sounds like a broken load balancer
Dec 20 11:36:45 <gm> yeah, that's my guess
Dec 20 11:37:11 <gm> it beats down all the time :)
Dec 20 11:37:53 <ccooke> So, does anyone know what's changed in the new release?
Dec 20 11:38:01 <ccooke> I didn't see a changelog or anything on the Nokia site
Dec 20 11:38:23 <gm> "getting started" is in the help menu
Dec 20 11:38:45 <lardman> ccooke: there is a changelog
Dec 20 11:39:00 <ccooke> hmm
Dec 20 11:39:09 <ccooke> I must be blind, then. *goes to look again*
Dec 20 11:39:10 <lardman> ccooke: linked from the maemo.org news item, lists changed package versions
Dec 20 11:39:25 <lardman> http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/first_official_os2008_update.html
Dec 20 11:39:48 <ccooke> ah, thanks!
Dec 20 11:39:54 <lardman> np
Dec 20 11:41:41 <ccooke> ls
Dec 20 11:41:50 <ccooke> grr
Dec 20 11:42:04 <lardman> man grr
Dec 20 11:43:06 <ccooke> No manual entry for grr
Dec 20 11:44:00 <lardman> I thought it might be the command to scare away segfaults
Dec 20 11:44:03 <inz> kulve, no it doesn't, and as the ipv6 has hooks everywhere, it is not even enough to have a module, you need the whole kernel
Dec 20 11:44:41 <inz> kulve, try http://inz.fi/osso-xterm_0.13.mh25_armel.deb (no guarantees ;)
Dec 20 11:45:56 <kulve> inz: sorry. I can't test right now because my device is in loan. I'll try it later today or tomorrow :/
Dec 20 11:46:18 <inz> kulve, you probably need to install it with dpkg manually, as it's a "downgrade" and you may not replace packages from other repos
Dec 20 11:46:31 <lardman> chenca: so you plan to be able to scale running video?
Dec 20 11:46:43 <lardman> chenca: or rather change the scaling as it's running
Dec 20 11:48:30 <lardman> chenca: how do you plan to achieve this, opengl....?
Dec 20 11:48:52 <chenca> lardman: opengl ?
Dec 20 11:49:04 <chenca> lardman: no way...
Dec 20 11:49:08 <lardman> how will you be able to change the scaling of running video?
Dec 20 11:49:41 <lardman> reading handful's post here: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=94999
Dec 20 11:50:01 <chenca> lardman: let me see this :-)
Dec 20 11:50:12 <lardman> or is it just a wishlist?
Dec 20 11:50:30 <lardman> grep "scale video in realtime"
Dec 20 11:53:09 <chenca> lardman: ok, heheheh designers :-) But our intention is to use libXine to help on this
Dec 20 11:53:58 <lardman> chenca: ok, I was wondering if you had some knowledge about the PowerVR that was behind this statement, but it appears to be a wish rather than a plan
Dec 20 11:54:17 <chenca> lardman: I believe that handful is talking about a simple and smooth transition from non-fullscreen to fullscreen
Dec 20 11:54:32 <pupnik> bleh
Dec 20 11:54:40 <lardman> yes, but is that possible with the processing power available?
Dec 20 11:56:59 <lardman> i.e. is that wish realistic (unless libXine has some crafty trick up its sleeve)?
Dec 20 11:57:02 <chenca> lardman: we don't have the answer yet, but when we start this new version of canola nobody believes in the effects  and transitions (photo screen) , but we got
Dec 20 11:57:09 <flip^> is the osso-statusbar thingie in a repository that's sane to use with os2008? i forget where it hides
Dec 20 11:57:34 <lardman> chenca: I'm not knocking it, I think it would be great, I was just angling for info on the PowerVR ;)
Dec 20 11:58:35 <chenca> lardman: :-)
Dec 20 11:59:07 <kulve> inz: does that depend on ttf-bitstream-vera ?
Dec 20 12:00:58 <dorto> canola on N800/OS2008 doesn't detect any music from the internal memory card(shows them in "Settings" but not in "My Music". Also, no Canola applet.
Dec 20 12:01:37 <chenca> dorto: Canola-Applet is no longer exist
Dec 20 12:03:32 <alterego> Today I'm very hung over. So it's ruby-maemo day :D
Dec 20 12:03:47 <kulve> inz: nm
Dec 20 12:08:28 <chenca> lardman: goes to http://download.enlightenment.org/snapshots/LATEST/ and check the Rage application, I think that Handful wants something like this
Dec 20 12:10:34 <chenca> lardman: is it possible? Ask me in the next year :-)
Dec 20 12:12:13 <lardman> chenca: running WinXP at work, looking for a video
Dec 20 12:15:10 <chenca> lardman: http://www.rasterman.com/files/rage2.avi 26Mb
Dec 20 12:17:04 <lardman> chenca: thanks, I'll try to have a watch (it just killed Firefox :) )
Dec 20 12:17:25 <chenca> lardman: ouch
Dec 20 12:17:45 <lardman> and WMP won't play it, ~lart Microsoft
Dec 20 12:18:25 <chenca> lardman: copy to your N800 and uses Canola :-P
Dec 20 12:18:29 <lardman> :)
Dec 20 12:18:31 <lardman> good idea
Dec 20 12:31:31 <lardman> finally got the right set of codecs for WinXP
Dec 20 12:33:29 <tmr8612> Hi all. Anyone trying to up usbnet under OS2008?
Dec 20 12:33:39 <lardman> chenca: ok, so that's pretty cool, a bit clunky but running ~20 videos at the same time
Dec 20 12:34:22 <lardman> chenca: but the scaling was only of very small videos to slightly larger ones, I'd be interested to see scaling all the way from the thumbnails up to full screen
Dec 20 12:35:34 <chenca> lardman: hehehehe hard work, as i said, ask me in the next year :-)
Dec 20 12:38:05 <jeddy3> hmmm, canola2 refuses to show cover art in "album cover" view...but shows them in all other views
Dec 20 12:38:46 <chenca> jeddy3: really ?
Dec 20 12:39:02 <jeddy3> chenca, yes
Dec 20 12:39:11 <chenca> jeddy3: strange
Dec 20 12:39:50 <lardman> chenca: something like this would be good: http://www.mdk.org.pl/2007/11/17/gl-colorspace-conversions
Dec 20 12:39:57 <X-Fade> chenca: Are videos supposed to thumbnail?
Dec 20 12:41:14 <chenca> X-Fade: not automatically, yet
Dec 20 12:41:41 <X-Fade> chenca: Ok ;) Just wondering..
Dec 20 12:41:44 <chenca> X-Fade: until now you have to use a python script to generate video thumbnails for you
Dec 20 12:42:16 <chenca> X-Fade: but this could be a feature soon
Dec 20 12:42:40 * pupnik refreshes
Dec 20 12:43:36 <chenca> lardman: "hardware-accelerated" is a dream for us !!!
Dec 20 12:44:20 <lardman> I thought you were attached to Nokia in some way - can't you push for powervr?
Dec 20 12:46:19 <chenca> lardman: No, unfortunately we don't this power
Dec 20 12:46:38 <lardman> shame
Dec 20 12:46:41 <chenca> lardman: we don't have
Dec 20 12:58:30 <chenca> jeddy3: I made some tests and its working well
Dec 20 12:59:23 <chenca> jeddy3: Did you install any previous version of Canola or Canola2 ?
Dec 20 13:02:40 <jeddy3> chenca, nope, flashed new os2008 two days ago, installed canola2 when it turned up in extras
Dec 20 13:02:54 <jeddy3> (with libbz2 from fbreader-repo
Dec 20 13:03:39 <jeddy3> chenca, used your script on svn to download coverart
Dec 20 13:04:36 <chenca> if cover art appears on player Screen, the scripts is working
Dec 20 13:06:10 <jeddy3> chenca, probably :)
Dec 20 13:06:33 <gpd> Is there a fix for the BT-GPS connection issues on OS2008? I thought the new version would fix it but no.
Dec 20 13:08:01 <jeddy3> chenca, one little hickup though: the script ran into some "undefined" problem or something on one image...making canola hang in "cover-flow" screen with that image in view...removing it solved hang-issue, but still...no album cover screen
Dec 20 13:08:28 <jeddy3> or rather album cover screen with all question marks
Dec 20 13:08:41 <chenca> jeddy3: please post a bug report on garage https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/?func=browse&group_id=125&atid=1989
Dec 20 13:09:09 <chenca> and try to run the script again, use the option "-w all"
Dec 20 13:09:46 <jeddy3> oh, bugreport is already there :)
Dec 20 13:10:09 <chenca> jeddy3: thanks
Dec 20 13:10:45 <jeddy3> chenca, i didn't post it, so i cant take credit =)
Dec 20 13:10:57 <chenca> jeddy3: we will check this ASAP
Dec 20 13:12:30 <jeddy3> correction: "EvasLoadError: A non-specific error occured" on one image
Dec 20 13:12:45 <chenca> jeddy3: can you list to me what files are in the .canola/covers dir?
Dec 20 13:16:49 <tmr8612> does anyone sucess to connect over usbnet? (N800, OS2008, g_ether)
Dec 20 13:17:50 <jeddy3_> chenca, sorry had to change router
Dec 20 13:17:58 <jeddy3_> haha, ook: rerunning the script with "-w all" caused the _problematic_ image to be the ONLY one showing up in album cover screen =D
Dec 20 13:18:07 <jeddy3_> will remove everything and do again
Dec 20 13:21:55 <Jaffa> Interesting that texrat (a Nokia employee) is advocating (entirely unofficially) the use of separately downloaded (and hosted) firmware images.
Dec 20 13:22:23 <chenca> jeddy3_:  if this doesn't work, No Problem, I will check this later... Now I have to go, I'm wake for 32 hours :-) I need sleep
Dec 20 13:23:43 <kenne> chenca, im here
Dec 20 13:23:46 <jeddy3_> chenca, thanks for help! go enjoy your successful release!
Dec 20 13:24:07 <chenca> if someone have questions regarding Canola2, please ask to kenne, he is a Canola developer too
Dec 20 13:24:20 <chenca> bye
Dec 20 13:24:24 <kenne> or better yet, join #canola
Dec 20 13:27:00 <jeddy3_> hmmm, browsing cover directory now...cover-small.jpg in every folder except the one now working is broken symlinks to non-existant cover-small-1.jpg
Dec 20 13:29:22 <jeddy3_> aah...the thumbnailer-thread for generating cover-small images seems to crash on first image
Dec 20 13:33:28 <killfill> hey.. anyone has flasher-3.0 static somewhere?.. cannot download it from nokia.com.. :S
Dec 20 13:38:20 <jeddy3_> removing album that made thumbnailer crash made everything ok, will have to get home and recopy album to see what can have caused this
Dec 20 13:41:11 <kenne> jeddy3_, please do a bug report and attach the image
Dec 20 13:41:26 <jeddy3_> kenne, will do
Dec 20 13:41:41 <kenne> great, thanks
Dec 20 13:41:59 <jeddy3_> kenne, but i'll have to get home first :)
Dec 20 13:42:06 <kenne> that is ok :-)
Dec 20 13:47:38 <killfill> "our browser sent a request that this server could not understand"
Dec 20 13:47:39 <killfill> ?
Dec 20 13:47:46 <killfill> anyone get that on http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php?f=flasher-3.0 ?
Dec 20 13:48:03 <Cord> up.
Dec 20 13:48:05 <dpb_> yeah
Dec 20 13:48:07 <Cord> yup.
Dec 20 13:48:09 <killfill> :S
Dec 20 13:48:29 <killfill> can you guys borrow me flasher-3.0-static?.. finnaly got the image here.. but no flasher.. :P
Dec 20 13:51:50 <dpb_> borrow? You going to return it then after use? :)
Dec 20 13:52:12 <killfill> sure!.. :)
Dec 20 13:53:36 <killfill> dpb_: do you happend to have it somewhere?..
Dec 20 13:54:00 <jeddy3_> kenne, another thing :) ...removing album directory and rebuilding database (rescanning directories) DOESN't make albumcover.py NOT wan't to make thumbnails for that specific album
Dec 20 13:54:14 <dpb_> Not the official version.
Dec 20 13:54:43 <killfill> ooh. just found on in my .Trash..
Dec 20 13:54:45 <killfill> :)
Dec 20 13:55:10 <dpb_> plus this isn't even static..
Dec 20 13:56:05 <dpb_> now that flasher page says: The service is temporarily unavailable. We are very sorry for the inconvinience it may cause.
Dec 20 13:56:07 <killfill> well at least it has that string in its name.. :P
Dec 20 13:56:15 <killfill> yup
Dec 20 13:59:56 <jeddy3_> ok, how do i make nokia internal indexer realise i actually REMOVED a album
Dec 20 14:00:58 <jeddy3_> forget that!, my bad
Dec 20 14:04:07 <kenne> jeddy3_, hmm, the script reads from the db
Dec 20 14:04:38 <kenne> but rebuilding the db doesnt means that it has committed the changes
Dec 20 14:05:38 <kenne> jeddy3_, try exiting canola and try again
Dec 20 14:05:58 <kenne> like exit canola after updating the db and then run the script
Dec 20 14:06:20 <jeddy3_> kenne, works now, I was me tripping
Dec 20 14:06:28 <kenne> :)
Dec 20 14:07:21 <jeddy3_> kenne, thanks for all the help
Dec 20 14:07:26 <milhouse> afternoon chaps
Dec 20 14:07:30 <kenne> you're welcome
Dec 20 14:08:39 <milhouse> pdflush process - anyone else seeing 100% cpu activity while browsing (os2008 on n800)?
Dec 20 14:10:00 <milhouse> it's causing the browser to not respond, with the os suggesting it should be killed, when i don't think it's a browser issue
Dec 20 14:13:25 <jeddy3_> kenne, updated bug #1791, but can't find where to attach files...
Dec 20 14:13:47 <kenne> can you upload it somewhere? and add a link
Dec 20 14:14:17 <jeddy3_> kenne sure, hold on
Dec 20 14:14:20 <kenne> great
Dec 20 14:14:24 <kenne> thanks for the trouble
Dec 20 14:16:17 <jeddy3_> HA! no wonder evas is confused about the "Image" =)
Dec 20 14:16:35 <jeddy3_> it's a htlm-file with the 404 message :P
Dec 20 14:17:08 <kenne> doh!
Dec 20 14:20:34 <gpd> Is nobody else having issues with bluetooth GPS (iblue2) in OS2008 on N800 - mine keeps losing the connection to the device - i had no problems in bora.
Dec 20 14:21:54 <jaharkes_> gpd: Had no trouble with OS2008 beta and an iblue 757
Dec 20 14:22:14 <gpd> jaharkes_: using maemomapper 2.2?
Dec 20 14:22:33 <jaharkes_> yes, just started maemomapper
Dec 20 14:22:49 <jeddy3_> kenne, updated the bug...this was what was causing the trouble for me
Dec 20 14:22:56 <jaharkes_> this is with the latest os2008
Dec 20 14:23:12 <gpd> mine is an iblue 737 - but don't think that makes a difference and I'm now using 52-2 but problems with the beta too
Dec 20 14:23:14 <kenne> :)
Dec 20 14:23:35 <jaharkes_> they should be mostly identical, the 757 has the track log functionality
Dec 20 14:23:39 <gpd> the connection is fine but then drops away every 5 minutes or so
Dec 20 14:24:45 <jaharkes_> gpd: how did you set up MM for the gps? direct connection, or through gpsd?
Dec 20 14:24:45 <gpd> maybe i should try a reflash with no restore.
Dec 20 14:25:05 <gpd> jaharkes_: no idea - i will look in the prefs
Dec 20 14:25:31 <gpd> in maemomapper it is set to bluetooth and my mac address
Dec 20 14:26:22 <jaharkes_> that's how I've got it as well
Dec 20 14:26:30 <gpd> changing to gpsd localhost to see if that helps
Dec 20 14:27:38 <gpd> jaharkes_: so yours stays connected for long periods without issue?
Dec 20 14:28:58 <jaharkes_> haven't really used it for a long time
Dec 20 14:29:36 <gpd> well - more than 10 minutes would be a good enough test
Dec 20 14:30:24 <jaharkes_> how can you tell your connection has dropped?
Dec 20 14:30:50 <gpd> in maemomapper it says 'cannot find gps device' or similar
Dec 20 14:31:10 <gpd> then you click ok and it searches for it - then finds it again - then connects for another 5 -10 minutes
Dec 20 14:31:13 <gpd> repeat...
Dec 20 14:31:28 <jaharkes_> hmm, don't recall seeing that, testing it now.
Dec 20 14:32:13 <jaharkes_> ok, MM just crashed on me when I hit a zoom in button
Dec 20 14:32:22 <keesj> hi
Dec 20 14:33:17 <jaharkes_> and it crashed because the bloody internal mmc card got disconnected again
Dec 20 14:36:31 <jaharkes_> I wonder if it is a mechanical issue, like whenever I pick up my n800, the internal card gets ioerrors, I've become totally used to opening/closing the back cover without even looking or thinking about it to get the card recognized again.
Dec 20 14:38:04 <tontsa> time to send the unit to service i'd say
Dec 20 14:38:15 <tontsa> no problems like that with n800 or n810 here
Dec 20 14:39:20 <gpd> tontsa: wrt jaharkes_ 's problems or mine?
Dec 20 14:39:33 <jaharkes_> gpd: probably mine
Dec 20 14:39:33 <tontsa> jaharkes_'s
Dec 20 14:41:34 <gpd> any ideas where i could find debug info on errors connecting to gps receiver?
Dec 20 14:41:44 <milhouse> syslog?
Dec 20 14:42:08 <milhouse> i would suggest installing syslogd/klog etc. but the state the repositories are in it could take you days...
Dec 20 14:42:38 <gpd> milhouse: syslog would be handy - i'll look into setting that up
Dec 20 14:42:42 <jaharkes_> gpd: mm been up for the last 10 minutes or so without any disconnections
Dec 20 14:43:15 <gpd> jaharkes_: ii  maemo-mapper   2.2-os2008 <<- same?
Dec 20 14:43:40 <lardman> making progress: http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/dsp/vorbisdec/error.txt
Dec 20 14:44:21 <lardman> vorbis_dsp_headerin: oggpack_read(&opb,8) is almost returnign what it should "vorbis", but I have two 16bit chars prepended to my buffer
Dec 20 14:44:27 <jaharkes_> according to dpkg -l, yes
Dec 20 14:44:46 <gpd> ok - well mine is not being found at all now :( time for serious measures
Dec 20 14:46:46 <lardman> hmm, I'm actually getting 0x01, 0x01, v, r, b, b, i; looks like the bit reading code still needs some love
Dec 20 14:47:09 <jaharkes_> gpd: one interesting thing, even when I didn't set up mm to use gpsd, it still gives that location applet in the status bar, which to me indicates that gpsd is probably running
Dec 20 14:48:13 * lardman tries the Nokia shop, still not working, not much left of this week....
Dec 20 14:48:30 <gpd> jaharkes_: yes - i have the satellite icon too with the unit paired in the settings. that too seems to drop the connection so i suspect trouble.  guess i'll have to test out the device back in bora and be sure there is no hardware problem.
Dec 20 14:50:45 <gpd> milhouse: repositories seem fine wrt syslogd/klogd downloads (slow - but ok)
Dec 20 15:00:23 <gpd> milhouse: nothing wrt bt/gps seems to be logged to syslog :|
Dec 20 15:01:19 <qos> hey guys
Dec 20 15:03:32 <L0cutus> is this: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8631  the definitive guide for cloning os ?
Dec 20 15:03:37 <milhouse> gpd: :(
Dec 20 15:04:00 <milhouse> dunno about definitive, but one method and probably the easiest! :)
Dec 20 15:05:26 <L0cutus> ok,thanks i'll try ;)
Dec 20 15:06:02 <milhouse> you may have trouble donwloading wget/e2fsprogs - i haven't been able to download jack since the firmware release.
Dec 20 15:06:28 <gpd> don't suppose anyone has the 2007.38.2 bin anywhere handy?
Dec 20 15:07:33 <milhouse> gpd: don't recognise that one
Dec 20 15:07:42 <timeless> milhouse: memory card fix
Dec 20 15:07:43 <gpd> RX-34_2007SE_4.2007.38-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin
Dec 20 15:07:43 <milhouse> got a 4.2007.36-2 for OS 2007/770
Dec 20 15:07:45 <timeless> (kernel)
Dec 20 15:07:52 <timeless> for n800
Dec 20 15:08:02 <gpd> for n800 - last release before os2008
Dec 20 15:08:15 <gpd> want to test the bt gps with old os before panicing
Dec 20 15:08:26 <milhouse> ah yes... os 2007 (christ these nokia filenames are rubbish!) :)
Dec 20 15:08:37 <gpd> i am downloading at slow rate from nokia...
Dec 20 15:08:56 <timeless> gpd: so you just clicked throught he license
Dec 20 15:09:00 <milhouse> i have it, but by the time i get it uploaded over my 128k upload link you might have it yourself :)
Dec 20 15:09:02 <timeless> which means you know no one can legally give you taht file
Dec 20 15:09:06 <gpd> ok - nvm
Dec 20 15:09:19 <timeless> i'd give you the url, but my gateway timed out :)
Dec 20 15:09:26 <timeless> (or rather their gateway)
Dec 20 15:12:23 <czr> hey timeless, how was rome?
Dec 20 15:12:32 <timeless> good, thanks
Dec 20 15:12:40 * czr nods
Dec 20 15:12:53 <L0cutus> <milhouse> you may have trouble donwloading wget/e2fsprogs - i haven't been able to download jack since the firmware release.
Dec 20 15:12:55 <timeless> there are pictures in my gallery, but i left my good camera in helsinki (i meant to take it), so they're all really poor quality
Dec 20 15:12:57 <L0cutus> infact...
Dec 20 15:13:14 <czr> timeless, I'll take a look at them when I get back, I'm on/off here atm
Dec 20 15:13:40 <L0cutus> i've already e2fsprogs, but not wget unfortunately
Dec 20 15:14:20 <timeless> l0cutus: do you know where wget should be?
Dec 20 15:14:29 <timeless> is this chinook or something else?
Dec 20 15:15:01 <L0cutus> no..
Dec 20 15:15:11 <L0cutus> i'm searching..
Dec 20 15:15:19 <timeless> i think i have a computer /slowly/ retrieving those items
Dec 20 15:15:42 <L0cutus> no, it is maemo that is a desperation this deys :)
Dec 20 15:15:45 <L0cutus> days*
Dec 20 15:17:02 <gpd> ok - fresh flash of os2008 with no restore - gps location details ok, tracking...
Dec 20 15:17:06 <L0cutus> i think i can download from gnu and compile it myself :)
Dec 20 15:17:16 <skibur> I've been hacking, lifting weights, running, and kicking butt in 3rd Strike
Dec 20 15:17:25 <skibur> I like my vacation so far
Dec 20 15:18:03 <milhouse> i *think* wget is/was in extras (chinook) but since i haven't got a successful apt-get update in days i can't be sure
Dec 20 15:18:26 <qos> can somebody help me create a sed expression which greps a string consisting of 32 upper-chars?
Dec 20 15:19:52 <tmr8612> try again :)
Dec 20 15:19:52 <tmr8612> does anyone sucess with usbnet (N800, OS2008)?
Dec 20 15:20:03 <qos> can somebody help me create a sed expression which greps a string consisting of 32 upper-chars?
Dec 20 15:20:27 <skibur> usbnet?
Dec 20 15:21:15 <tmr8612> skibur: ethernet other usb (g_ether)
Dec 20 15:22:52 <L0cutus> it compile ok
Dec 20 15:24:25 <skibur> o ok
Dec 20 15:26:10 <maddler> L0cutus: hi! :)
Dec 20 15:26:40 <L0cutus> ciao maddler  :)
Dec 20 15:28:17 <L0cutus> ok, the wget deb is here :)
Dec 20 15:29:29 <milhouse> oooh, this pdflush process is going nuts on my n800... i may have to reboot
Dec 20 15:29:39 <timeless> pdflush?
Dec 20 15:29:51 <milhouse> yeah, it's taking 100% cpu for extended periods of time
Dec 20 15:30:13 <mgedmin> writing to flash is very CPU-intensive
Dec 20 15:30:38 <milhouse> i'm not writing anything to flash, it's idle then suddenly pdflush goes nuts
Dec 20 15:30:52 <milhouse> i'm just connected over an ssh session, tried to type something and no response
Dec 20 15:31:05 <milhouse> eventually managed to run top and pdflush is running at 97%
Dec 20 15:31:06 <milhouse> cpu
Dec 20 15:31:32 <milhouse> just noticed it happening today when browsing, the os suggested to kill the browser but it's not the browser with the problem
Dec 20 15:31:56 <milhouse> it's pdflush hogging all the cpu, once it calms down the browser is ok again.
Dec 20 15:32:37 <milhouse> this is with 2.2007.50-2 btw
Dec 20 15:33:45 <mgedmin> the writing doesn't happen at once, the system caches something in memory and writes it out later
Dec 20 15:33:58 <milhouse> well something ain't right :)
Dec 20 15:34:04 <mgedmin> also, the JFFS filesystem does periodic garbage collection which also uses up the CPU
Dec 20 15:34:29 <mgedmin> otoh if you see a long CPU spike without having written something big (e.g. installing a large package), then something isn't right
Dec 20 15:34:31 <milhouse> fair enough but it shouldn't stop other apps from responding or hog the cpu for extended periods?
Dec 20 15:34:32 <mgedmin> I think
Dec 20 15:34:42 <milhouse> that's what i'm seeing
Dec 20 15:36:44 <skibur> i like my find
Dec 20 15:36:49 <skibur> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13389
Dec 20 15:39:07 <lardman> Does anyone happen to know of any stats on the speed of scaling planar video data vs interleaved video data?
Dec 20 15:41:35 <lardman> no video gurus amongst us?
Dec 20 15:42:43 <keesj> we are a pirate
Dec 20 15:43:00 <timeless> milhouse: 2.2007.50-2 eh?
Dec 20 15:43:08 * timeless finds that number suspicious
Dec 20 15:43:36 <lardman> keesj: helping to keep global warming in check then?
Dec 20 15:43:44 <milhouse> timeless: yes
Dec 20 15:43:57 <milhouse> RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin
Dec 20 15:49:09 <skibur> The more i see the N810 to more I like my N800
Dec 20 15:49:24 <skibur> the more i like my N800
Dec 20 15:49:33 <timeless> milhouse: sorry, i think about that as 2008 50-2 :)
Dec 20 15:49:52 <milhouse> here's top while running apt-get update (which never works, but then we know why):
Dec 20 15:49:55 <milhouse> Mem: 108084K used, 18744K free, 0K shrd, 8K buff, 43860K cached
Dec 20 15:49:55 <milhouse> Load average: 1.29 0.70 0.43
Dec 20 15:49:55 <milhouse>   PID USER     STATUS   VSZ  PPID %CPU %MEM COMMAND
Dec 20 15:49:55 <milhouse>   113 root     RW         0     6 89.1  0.0 pdflush
Dec 20 15:49:55 <milhouse>  2199 user     SW     28704  1039  2.0 22.6 maemo-launcher
Dec 20 15:49:59 <Jaffa> The more I see my N810, the more I like it compared with an N800 or 770.
Dec 20 15:50:25 <milhouse> jaffa: stop taunting us! ;)
Dec 20 15:50:26 <lardman> the more I see people seeing their N810s the more I'd like to be able to get one :)
Dec 20 15:50:26 <timeless> jaffa: nokia should be happy, mission accomplished
Dec 20 15:51:27 <milhouse> gonna reboot this sucker and if pdflush still goes nuts on me i'll file a bug... :(
Dec 20 15:51:31 <maddler> Jaffa: :)
Dec 20 15:52:00 <maddler> Jaffa: I'd be happy being able comparing mine ;)
Dec 20 15:52:14 * Solarion wonders when the n810 codes will go live
Dec 20 15:52:27 <milhouse> <timeless> milhouse: sorry, i think about that as 2008 50-2 :) <--- me too, that's why I find the naming convention quite bizarre!
Dec 20 15:53:02 <milhouse> hmm.... taking a while for the progress bar to appear.... stuck at nokia logo
Dec 20 15:53:08 <timeless> milhouse: i presume you can understand the overall naming, right?
Dec 20 15:53:13 <milhouse> this ain't looking good
Dec 20 15:53:25 <timeless> it's basically productname,productsubname,year,date,build,imagetype
Dec 20 15:53:41 <timeless> (the first bit is a hardware class token of sorts)
Dec 20 15:53:42 <milhouse> timeless - yes, but when people discuss "2.2007.50-2" you have no idea if that could be OS 2007 or OS 2008
Dec 20 15:53:50 * timeless nods
Dec 20 15:53:54 <milhouse> the build year is v confusing
Dec 20 15:54:09 <milhouse> all will be ok for the first 6 months of next year though! :)
Dec 20 15:54:12 <timeless> btw, the 2 is actually sorta a major version hint
Dec 20 15:54:23 <milhouse> yeah, i'm ok with that
Dec 20 15:54:38 <timeless> 0 is predev, 1 should be first release, 2 should be second release (first service release)
Dec 20 15:54:42 <milhouse> it's the next number that's confusing
Dec 20 15:54:51 <timeless> you can kind of use the 2 if available as a hint
Dec 20 15:54:53 <skibur> Nokia is freaking cool
Dec 20 15:55:04 <timeless> becasue for 2007, the number would be >2 by now
Dec 20 15:55:08 <timeless> s/su/us/
Dec 20 15:55:08 <infobot> timeless meant: because for 2007, the number would be >2 by now
Dec 20 15:55:09 <milhouse> my device came up thank god
Dec 20 15:55:16 <skibur> N800 and the N810 are some bad Ass devices!
Dec 20 15:55:35 <milhouse> jffs2_gcd_mtd4 is now going like the clappers taking 98% cpu
Dec 20 15:55:43 <Spakman_> < skibur> N800 and the N810 are some bad Ass devices! <---- yeah, they's much better as computers :)
Dec 20 15:56:03 <skibur> :P
Dec 20 15:56:10 <Spakman_> skibur: coulnd't agree more - brilliant devices!
Dec 20 15:56:53 <milhouse> timeless - yes, but that's hardly a reliable hint
Dec 20 15:56:55 * Solarion would like empirical evidence.
Dec 20 15:57:18 <skibur> Wow, Gnumeric is out for OS2008?
Dec 20 15:57:21 <skibur> installing now
Dec 20 15:57:37 <guerby> repository.maemo still sloooooowww ?
Dec 20 15:57:58 <milhouse> guerby: fraid so
Dec 20 15:58:05 <Solarion> skibur: gnumeric is tasty, tasty stuff.
Dec 20 15:58:14 <milhouse> guerby: unusable here (uk)
Dec 20 15:58:14 <Loose> Hey I found this room finally
Dec 20 15:58:19 <Solarion> (disclaimer: I'm involved in the project and therefore partisan..  ;)
Dec 20 15:58:20 <guerby> milhouse, wow I really wonder what's going on*
Dec 20 15:58:39 <milhouse> me too... an announcement would be nice
Dec 20 15:58:49 <milhouse> just to say, like, we're dealing with it
Dec 20 15:59:17 <k-s> are you experiencing problems with repository.m.o?
Dec 20 15:59:24 <milhouse> oh yes
Dec 20 15:59:28 <guerby> milhouse, may be someone is DOSing them
Dec 20 15:59:41 <kulve> yeah, like the community
Dec 20 15:59:43 <guerby> k-s, yep, extremely slow and unreliable
Dec 20 15:59:51 <k-s> damn
Dec 20 15:59:56 <andrunko_> true
Dec 20 16:00:09 <guerby> kulve, well they know how many they sold relative to the last release
Dec 20 16:00:11 <k-s> kulve: we have a ogg plugin for canola, but we don't ship it by default
Dec 20 16:00:14 <milhouse> i'm currently getting a gzip error on an apt-get update
Dec 20 16:00:21 <milhouse> yesterday it was a host not responding
Dec 20 16:00:33 <guerby> milhouse, same kind of stuff for me
Dec 20 16:00:34 <k-s> kulve: it's actually for lightmediascanner, would u add it to your ogg-support?
Dec 20 16:00:43 <milhouse> either way, can't install jack unless i do it via a deb
Dec 20 16:00:52 <kulve> k-s: what kind of plugin?
Dec 20 16:01:12 <k-s> kulve: scanner plugin, to detect the media
Dec 20 16:01:20 <k-s> https://garage.maemo.org/svn/lms/lightmediascanner/
Dec 20 16:01:26 <k-s> see src/plugins/ogg
Dec 20 16:01:31 <kulve> k-s: so it's just a .so which is useless without the lightmediascanner?
Dec 20 16:01:34 <milhouse> timeless: looks like the reboot may have fixed the pdflush problem (fingers crossed)
Dec 20 16:01:41 <k-s> kulve: basically
Dec 20 16:01:53 <k-s> kulve: we already ship all other plugins
Dec 20 16:02:06 <k-s> kulve: just don't ship the ogg because it would depend on your repo
Dec 20 16:02:11 <Loose> milhouse:  you mentioned gnumeric right as I entered... is it being ported to OS2008?
Dec 20 16:02:24 <k-s> kulve: if you upload your packages to repository.maemo.org/extras, then we could upload it too :-)
Dec 20 16:02:28 <milhouse> Loose: not me, someone else
Dec 20 16:02:44 <Loose> Right, it was skibur
Dec 20 16:02:57 <kulve> k-s: I guess that would be the best solutions?
Dec 20 16:02:58 <kulve> -s
Dec 20 16:03:19 <blast007> Loose: just before you entered: 09:54:12 < skibur> Wow, Gnumeric is out for OS2008?
Dec 20 16:03:32 <Loose> THANKS
Dec 20 16:04:03 <k-s> kulve: we think so
Dec 20 16:04:21 <skibur> wow
Dec 20 16:04:22 <k-s> kulve: then we could provide the ogg plugin and ogg would be detected automatically
Dec 20 16:04:31 <skibur> it nice (Gnumeric)
Dec 20 16:04:46 <skibur> Now I can view my data correctly
Dec 20 16:05:10 <skibur> Abiword... Fix your (string) problem! :(  ;)
Dec 20 16:06:03 <kulve> k-s: I guess I dare to upload the packages there. It's quite unlikely that they will break anything..
Dec 20 16:06:35 <kulve> k-s: and then I could in the future put new version to my repo for a day or two for testers before uploading to the extras..
Dec 20 16:06:39 <skibur> huh?  what up?
Dec 20 16:07:34 <skibur> I need to get to work
Dec 20 16:07:49 <skibur> working on a converting app
Dec 20 16:08:25 <skibur> rtf doc xml html chm etc...
Dec 20 16:11:09 <pupnik>  /lastlog code
Dec 20 16:11:25 <k-s> kulve: great, let me (or even better: etrunko) know when you have it done
Dec 20 16:11:33 <k-s> kulve: etrunko is our package master ;-)
Dec 20 16:12:52 <Loose> skibur:  where is gnumeric for 08?
Dec 20 16:13:47 <zoran> any news about maemo repositories?
Dec 20 16:14:04 <zoran> extras, pool are still down
Dec 20 16:14:16 <milhouse> if quim is here - please post a quick update on maemo announcements about the repositories and the download situation in general... :)
Dec 20 16:14:24 <maddler> zoran: they were unreachable for me untile yesterday... this morning they where just *slow*...
Dec 20 16:14:32 <zoran> also, sadly
Dec 20 16:15:08 <milhouse> maddler: they're not responding correctly here, whether thats' due to slowness, timeouts or something else i don't know
Dec 20 16:15:54 <timeless> milhouse: dunno, i think it's actually relatively reliable
Dec 20 16:16:16 <zoran> I've read post on users mailin list about download franzie for os2008
Dec 20 16:16:24 <milhouse> i've not had a single successful apt-get update since i installed os 2008 50-2
Dec 20 16:16:29 <milhouse> thats 3 days ago
Dec 20 16:16:29 <timeless> milhouse: http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/8/
Dec 20 16:16:35 <timeless> lists the versions pre 38-2
Dec 20 16:17:06 <milhouse> i've got 'em all :)
Dec 20 16:17:07 <timeless> czr: so are you back enough to take bug feedback? :)
Dec 20 16:18:16 <skibur> hold on Loose
Dec 20 16:18:21 <czr> timeless, no :-)
Dec 20 16:18:26 <czr> timeless, still in GA
Dec 20 16:18:51 * timeless cries
Dec 20 16:18:56 <timeless> something really bad is happening here
Dec 20 16:19:01 <timeless> i have a pointer that doesn't work
Dec 20 16:19:03 <czr> it's my holiday! :-)
Dec 20 16:19:08 <timeless> and i can't figure out why
Dec 20 16:19:15 <timeless> .ga.us ?
Dec 20 16:19:20 <czr> I refuse to do stuff for other people during my holiday :-)
Dec 20 16:19:22 <czr> yeah timeless
Dec 20 16:19:29 <timeless> atl?
Dec 20 16:19:29 <skibur> http://gronmayer.com/it/
Dec 20 16:19:30 <milhouse> here's what i get when trying to update repostories - i'm using standard repositories plus extras and extras-devel. http://pastebin.ca/825463
Dec 20 16:19:34 <czr> timeless, savannah
Dec 20 16:19:39 <milhouse> bums me out :(
Dec 20 16:19:41 <czr> well, close to savannah really.
Dec 20 16:20:35 <czr> ttyl -> house choers
Dec 20 16:20:37 <czr> chores even.
Dec 20 16:20:51 <Loose> Thanks skibur
Dec 20 16:20:53 <timeless> extras-devel eh?
Dec 20 16:21:00 <timeless> how many evil top level repositories are there?
Dec 20 16:21:07 <timeless> http://timeless.justdave.net/repository/repository.maemo.org/
Dec 20 16:21:13 <timeless> i've only started collecting the main repo
Dec 20 16:23:03 <skibur> http://gronmayer.com/it/index.php
Dec 20 16:23:43 <timeless> skibur: that's not answering :)
Dec 20 16:23:44 <|tbb|> hi all
Dec 20 16:23:44 <skibur> right there ^      Just add that Repos
Dec 20 16:24:11 <milhouse> arse... pdflush  has just gone nuts on me again
Dec 20 16:24:23 <milhouse> bugtime :(
Dec 20 16:24:39 <skibur> a crap
Dec 20 16:24:42 <skibur> your link
Dec 20 16:24:49 <milhouse> been running at close to 100% cpu for over 15 seconds solid
Dec 20 16:24:49 <timeless> sp3000: is eero around? you guys should find out what's up w/ milhouse's fs
Dec 20 16:24:58 <|tbb|> anyone knows where the backup settings for the os2008 stays and will the n800 settings equal to the n810 so i can restore anything from n800 to n810 both working on os2008
Dec 20 16:24:59 <tontsa> milhouse, when that happens how's your memory situation
Dec 20 16:25:27 <timeless> skibur: mine is a shell it /will/ or /might/ eventually be a mirror of things
Dec 20 16:25:29 <timeless> atm it's just a shell
Dec 20 16:25:36 <milhouse> tontsa: i've just rebooted, the only app i'm running is the browser and Application Manager
Dec 20 16:25:44 <skibur> tschmidt   <---    add that Repos
Dec 20 16:25:47 <skibur> lol
Dec 20 16:26:01 <skibur> o ok
Dec 20 16:26:12 <tontsa> milhouse, you have the adblock plus installed?
Dec 20 16:26:29 <milhouse> tontsa: no - i've not installed anything on this device other than openssh-server
Dec 20 16:26:54 <milhouse> timeless: looks like extras is the culprit as far as catalogues/repositories are concerned
Dec 20 16:27:01 <milhouse> (at least for me anyway)
Dec 20 16:27:03 <tontsa> milhouse, ok.. well then something has definately gone wrong. i have pretty happy browser on 810
Dec 20 16:27:19 <milhouse> not sure it's a browser issue at all
Dec 20 16:27:28 <milhouse> for some reason pdflush just goes nuts
Dec 20 16:27:41 <milhouse> and whatever app i'm using at the time takes the hit
Dec 20 16:28:06 <milhouse> extras is in a very bad way
Dec 20 16:28:23 <zoran> any background process or zombie?
Dec 20 16:28:26 <timeless> milhouse: i can't find pdflush....
Dec 20 16:28:32 * timeless wonder if it's a kernel thing
Dec 20 16:28:36 <milhouse> it is
Dec 20 16:29:07 <milhouse> seems to be linked to memory management
Dec 20 16:29:18 <milhouse> and writing to the filesystem
Dec 20 16:29:26 <tontsa> it's handling the dirty buffers
Dec 20 16:29:48 <milhouse> right... i wonder if my jffs2 fs is having problems?
Dec 20 16:29:53 <milhouse> dmesg looks clean
Dec 20 16:30:15 <milhouse> although i don't know what to make of this:
Dec 20 16:30:16 <milhouse> [ 2181.507812] DSP Pausing failed, skipping OP change!
Dec 20 16:30:29 <milhouse> i'm not running anything media related...
Dec 20 16:30:32 <user-770> morning
Dec 20 16:30:36 <milhouse> afternoon
Dec 20 16:30:43 <tontsa> that's happening in every boot on my n810 too
Dec 20 16:30:54 <milhouse> guess it's nothing to worry about for now then
Dec 20 16:30:54 <tontsa> i doubt it's anything more than informational
Dec 20 16:31:21 <user-770> someone know where I can find info when n810 will be available in each part of world?
Dec 20 16:32:14 <tontsa> milhouse, maybe run vmstat 1 when that happens to see what's happening
Dec 20 16:32:25 <Loose> skibur:  Got gnumeric now... muchos gracias!
Dec 20 16:33:28 <tontsa> user-770, doubt there's any accurate site.. like n810 was suppose to be available in finland middle of november and it finally hit the streets last week
Dec 20 16:34:06 <milhouse> tontsa: i'll give it a try if i can
Dec 20 16:34:15 <user-770> tontsa: ;(
Dec 20 16:34:18 <timeless> user-770: buy tea leaves
Dec 20 16:34:23 <timeless> then practice using them
Dec 20 16:34:26 <user-770> timeless: ;)
Dec 20 16:34:29 <timeless> you'll have better answers than anyone else
Dec 20 16:34:36 <user-770> probably
Dec 20 16:34:37 <timeless> much more reliable :)
Dec 20 16:34:39 <killfill> hey guys.. does mono run on os2008?
Dec 20 16:35:11 <milhouse> tonsta: vmstat isn't on my n800... is it in one of the nokia repositories?
Dec 20 16:35:17 <user-770> timeless: looking at n800 situation here looks like n810 will be also not available
Dec 20 16:36:14 <tontsa> milhouse, procps package is atleast on repository.maemo.org
Dec 20 16:36:24 <tontsa> dunno if you need to enable Red Pill to see it in App Manager
Dec 20 16:36:27 <mgedmin> I once tried building a procps deb with vmstat
Dec 20 16:36:42 <tontsa> ohh.. it's for bora
Dec 20 16:36:43 <mgedmin> the build failed, but it did produce a vmstat binary before failing
Dec 20 16:36:52 <mgedmin> I copied it to my n800 and use it now
Dec 20 16:37:01 <Locutus6711> hi everybody. can someone tell me whether the battery life changes, after upgrading to OS2008???
Dec 20 16:37:24 <tontsa> but i guess procps should work on chinook too.. it hasn't changed much in years
Dec 20 16:38:01 <milhouse> procps won't install - says busybox is already the newest version
Dec 20 16:38:11 <tontsa> heheh
Dec 20 16:38:20 <milhouse> (and it can't find a vmstat package)
Dec 20 16:40:01 <Locutus6711> nobody?
Dec 20 16:40:26 <tontsa> Locutus6711, sure it will since on os2008 the processor is overclocked
Dec 20 16:41:03 <Locutus6711> but hasn't the energy-management improved?
Dec 20 16:41:17 <Locutus6711> esspecially wlan with display off
Dec 20 16:42:02 <vegai> have they cancelled the maemo dev program or something?
Dec 20 16:42:07 <vegai> I haven't heard anything from them
Dec 20 16:42:28 <Locutus6711> because I read that the N810 should have 5 days in always-online mode.
Dec 20 16:42:51 <user-770> Locutus6711: without screen/bt/wifi/gps and when user will not touch device?
Dec 20 16:42:53 <milhouse> Locutus: power management has improved, 5 days is a little optimistic
Dec 20 16:43:44 <Locutus6711> I mean that is why I am considdering to wait for the N810 or to buy the N800 now.
Dec 20 16:44:11 <tontsa> milhouse, i guess busybox' nmeter might be usable. like: nmeter '%250d%t %20c int %i bio %b mem %m forks%p'
Dec 20 16:44:18 <timeless> locutus: may i ask *where* you read that?
Dec 20 16:44:33 <Locutus6711> many sides
Dec 20 16:44:39 <timeless> specific urls
Dec 20 16:45:16 <Locutus6711> http://shop.nokia.co.uk/nokia-uk/product.aspx?sku=3757269&section_id=530&culture=en-GB
Dec 20 16:45:49 <Locutus6711> ther is written: Always online time: up to 5 days
Dec 20 16:46:09 <milhouse> tonta: no nmeter here :(
Dec 20 16:46:12 <tontsa> that's very optimistic, for me the battery lasts about 1-2 days
Dec 20 16:46:34 <milhouse> tontsa: same here and my wifi router (linksys wrt54gs) supports PSM
Dec 20 16:46:36 <tontsa> milhouse, wow.. really stripped down busybox then. i left my n810 at office
Dec 20 16:46:36 <Locutus6711> ok, i think that is enough for me
Dec 20 16:46:50 <milhouse> tontsa: oh yes indeed!
Dec 20 16:47:00 <Locutus6711> and you are always online and available with the N800 ?
Dec 20 16:47:27 <milhouse> locutus: n810 probably saps more power than the n800 because of the gps, but aside from that they should be very similar
Dec 20 16:47:28 <tontsa> i have bluetooth connected almost always, running mostly xterm and microb
Dec 20 16:47:49 <milhouse> locutus: always online, always available (very stable 11g home network)
Dec 20 16:47:51 <lardman> milhouse: perhaps the lack of an FM radio makes up for it ;)
Dec 20 16:47:54 <Locutus6711> and wlan?
Dec 20 16:48:01 <milhouse> no bluetooth here - only use that when i'm out
Dec 20 16:48:10 <milhouse> lardman: possibly :)
Dec 20 16:48:13 <erstazi> yeah, I am still up in arms over getting the n800 or n810... but I might not get either since my 770 has served me perfectly well over the course of its life.
Dec 20 16:48:48 <milhouse> aesthetically i much prefer the n810
Dec 20 16:48:49 <tontsa> i just got 810 for it's keyboard. even though the keyboard is bit lacking, but still very usable
Dec 20 16:49:08 <tontsa> would be impossible to use wireless keyboard in busses/on the move
Dec 20 16:49:21 <erstazi> tontsa: I will agree, tapping is difficult on a 770 and n800 heh
Dec 20 16:49:46 <Locutus6711> ok, so than I will buy an N800, if you think that the battery-life is more than one day with WLAN switched on
Dec 20 16:50:16 <milhouse> it will be, as long as you don't use it too much
Dec 20 16:50:27 <erstazi> Locutus6711: it really depends on how much you use it, same with the 770
Dec 20 16:50:27 <milhouse> 2 days tops if you leave it idle but connected
Dec 20 16:50:40 <Locutus6711> ok, thank you very much
Dec 20 16:51:03 <erstazi> I have friends who have the n800 and I don't see much gain in the battery life
Dec 20 16:51:56 <Locutus6711> compared to your 770?
Dec 20 16:52:18 <erstazi> Locutus6711: not from what I have seen and touched
Dec 20 16:52:32 <erstazi> Locutus6711: its all how you use it... just like laptops
Dec 20 16:52:47 <Locutus6711> yes, sure
Dec 20 16:54:57 <lardman> bye
Dec 20 16:55:44 <skibur> I just cut a headphones jack to use it as an antenna
Dec 20 16:55:46 <skibur> :)
Dec 20 16:55:56 <erstazi> skibur: heh
Dec 20 16:55:59 <skibur> it was a quick hack
Dec 20 16:56:08 <skibur> to enable the radio
Dec 20 16:57:01 <erstazi> skibur: with this headphone jack hack, what is the estimated expansion on the furthest radio station being received?
Dec 20 17:02:28 <|tbb|> is there a site of the available shortcuts of using the n810 keyboard, like ctrl + q closes the actually window
Dec 20 17:04:41 <skibur> checking
Dec 20 17:05:37 <skibur> I didn't hack my nokia headphones
Dec 20 17:07:30 <erstazi> skibur: well, I meant any headphone set
Dec 20 17:07:55 <Loose> Just find an old headphone set that's busted... I've got plenty
Dec 20 17:08:26 <erstazi> Loose: this would also require having something newer than the 770 only at hand (:
Dec 20 17:12:10 <zoran> erstazi, 770 is good enough for most mundane tasks
Dec 20 17:12:56 <skibur> not sure about expansion, but I get the same amount of station with my stereo
Dec 20 17:13:01 <||cw> |tbb|: ctrl+q would be application specific
Dec 20 17:13:39 <||cw> though I think it part of UI guideline for gnome or gtk or something
Dec 20 17:14:24 <skibur> as far as the headphone hack, it needs a little bit more wire length :P
Dec 20 17:15:19 <erstazi> zoran: hence why I haven't really jumped and bought the n800 or n810 (:
Dec 20 17:15:40 <zoran> most console apps work fine
Dec 20 17:23:35 <erstazi> zoran: have you tried irssi on the 770?
Dec 20 17:24:50 <[pablo]> http://flickr.com/photos/bobb/2125306784/
Dec 20 17:24:50 <zoran> yep!
Dec 20 17:24:58 <zoran> works fine
Dec 20 17:25:10 <zoran> but cannot type so fast ason laptop
Dec 20 17:26:10 <zoran> mutt works perfectly
Dec 20 17:26:54 <zoran> and all perl/pythn scripts
Dec 20 17:27:20 <mgedmin> [pablo]: how is it mounted?
Dec 20 17:27:27 <[pablo]> via usb
Dec 20 17:29:17 <|tbb|> ||cw: thx,  a wiki would be nice
Dec 20 17:33:11 <||cw> |tbb|: I guess you can start a page, but since the 810 is so new the apps have removed the shortcut notations from the menus to save space on the screen and who knows how many apps even still have the binding left over from the port.  in the end, it's all application specific
Dec 20 17:34:48 <db48x> do any of the various ebook readers work on the n800/n810?
Dec 20 17:35:32 <mgedmin> fbreader works
Dec 20 17:35:36 <truent> i've got an hour for canola2 to finish downloading before i gotta goto work... come on! squeeze those bits down the pipe
Dec 20 17:35:47 <mgedmin> although I haven't a n810 to test
Dec 20 17:36:28 <truent> nevermind it just failed at about 55%
Dec 20 17:36:31 <truent> nice
Dec 20 17:39:26 <db48x> mgedmin: well, that's a start
Dec 20 17:39:37 <|R> canola2 is out?
Dec 20 17:39:41 <truent> lol
Dec 20 17:39:47 <truent> well good luck downloading
Dec 20 17:39:49 <truent> but yep
Dec 20 17:39:50 <|R> haha
Dec 20 17:40:39 <|R> 2008 is out, canola2 is out... n810 discount is not out :|
Dec 20 17:41:00 <||cw> great, 99% [4 Packages gzip 0] [Waiting for headers]gzip: Invalid magic Err http://repository.maemo.org mistral/free Packages
Dec 20 17:41:28 <|R> truent : i wonder how many people does it get to hammer a server with small packages...
Dec 20 17:41:52 <truent> apparently they didnt plan enough for this release
Dec 20 17:42:16 <|R> seems like a constant in the tablet world :P
Dec 20 17:42:17 <truent> 2008 crippled their servers then canola 2 is gonna drag it out for another few days ;p
Dec 20 17:42:20 <truent> yeah
Dec 20 17:42:20 * |tbb| think they arent plan anything
Dec 20 17:44:01 <milhouse> ||cw - same error here, been like it all day. it seems to be the extras repository that blows up for me.
Dec 20 17:44:18 <milhouse> on chinook i see you're using mistral...
Dec 20 17:44:52 <L0cutus> mmm
Dec 20 17:44:57 <kdean06> I'm interested in getting a n800 or 810 but I'm wondering how much of the system utilizes Free Software, or more specifically, what parts require non-free software?
Dec 20 17:44:59 <|tbb|> milhouse for me too
Dec 20 17:45:01 <L0cutus> my SD is corrupted :-\
Dec 20 17:45:13 <milhouse> truent - quite, the bandwidth issues have most likely scuppered all the hard work of the canola boys, anything dependent on extras is a no go for me
Dec 20 17:45:40 <truent> oh yeah
Dec 20 17:45:48 <milhouse> this is just one cock up after another, and nobody even seems to be publicly acknowledging there is a problem.
Dec 20 17:46:45 <truent> well os2008 for that matter, you cant update or download new programs, good thing we're all geeks and understand the problems.. plus wont give up so easily cuz we know whats in store
Dec 20 17:47:31 <truent> heh
Dec 20 17:47:42 <milhouse> i doubt nokia have many more chances to get this right
Dec 20 17:47:54 <joshin> kdean06: (I am not an expert so take with a grain of salt)  Most all of the system is open sourced.  The flash plugin, the skype port, and until recently? some of the tools used to compile for the DSP are not OSS.  Experts, is this about right?
Dec 20 17:48:09 <joshin> Oh and opera isn't OSS either.
Dec 20 17:48:32 <milhouse> or half of the wifi stack
Dec 20 17:48:34 <X-Fade> milhouse: It seems to be a Akamai problem this time..
Dec 20 17:48:36 <kdean06> But I assume these things can be removed, if one wished?
Dec 20 17:49:04 <milhouse> X-fade: i don't care whose fault it is - the radio silence on behalf of nokia/maemo is shocking
Dec 20 17:49:23 <milhouse> (no offence meant x-fade)
Dec 20 17:49:36 <kdean06> I don't mind what comes "default" if it can be removed but I assume that it contains firmware to function.
Dec 20 17:49:59 <milhouse> x-fade: if nokia/maemo actually acknowledged there was a problem i'd feel happier about it
Dec 20 17:50:20 <|tbb|> any mirror for the latest os2008 for n810 available?
Dec 20 17:50:42 <_berto_> |tbb|: the best is probably emule or bittorrent
Dec 20 17:50:43 <milhouse> |tbb| - check itt, there's a few urls knocking about there
Dec 20 17:51:00 <X-Fade> I don't get why people need aknowledgement about every fart the system makes ;)
Dec 20 17:51:13 <milhouse> because it's been almost 3 days now?
Dec 20 17:51:17 <X-Fade> "Yeah, I heart it too" :)
Dec 20 17:51:20 <milhouse> and it's a complete fcking nightmare! :)
Dec 20 17:51:33 <milhouse> with no end in sight?
Dec 20 17:51:51 <|tbb|> md5 sum isnt that secure anymore, is that true?
Dec 20 17:51:54 <X-Fade> milhouse: Well, at least I can confirm that I see the same problem at my location (NL) :)
Dec 20 17:52:04 <CosmicRay> is there any alternative download site for the n810 firmware besides tablets-dev.nokia.com?  It seems to go at about 3KB/s and hang a few hours into it, with no way to resume.  I've been trying 2 days now...  and I had this problem with the last update as well, a few weeks ago
Dec 20 17:52:07 <CosmicRay> though I eventually got it
Dec 20 17:52:18 <milhouse> x-fade: :)
Dec 20 17:52:18 <CosmicRay> somebody needs to torrent the thing :-)
Dec 20 17:52:24 <||cw> milhouse: yeah, still using OS2006, I haven't been able to actually install anything in at least a week, just now trying to figure out why.  oddly, it does download whatever i try to install, but then just says install failed
Dec 20 17:52:32 <milhouse> |tbb| - not heard that before about md5
Dec 20 17:52:40 <truent> its 9mb! torrent? haha
Dec 20 17:52:55 <X-Fade> CosmicRay: Perhaps you can download it with the Windows software updater ;)
Dec 20 17:53:03 <truent> they just need something higher than 14.4kbps modem
Dec 20 17:53:26 <milhouse> |tbb| - i'm assuming you mean md5 is not reliable rather than secure, but even so "spoofing" a hash/digest would be tricky
Dec 20 17:53:34 <CosmicRay> truent: it's 140MB
Dec 20 17:53:48 <CosmicRay> X-Fade: aren't you just the funny one :-)
Dec 20 17:54:22 <mgedmin> |tbb|: it is possible to create two files that have the same md5sum, if you can set about 128 bytes arbitrarily, iirc
Dec 20 17:54:24 <X-Fade> CosmicRay: I'm not kidding. Perhaps we need to find out where that flasher gets the image. (Because it _is_ fast)
Dec 20 17:54:24 <CosmicRay> and, in fact, speak of it... http://www.mininova.org/tor/1051742
Dec 20 17:54:32 <mgedmin> I've seen two pdfs that had different text but the same md5
Dec 20 17:55:02 <db48x> yea, the only files that md5 is safe for anymore is plain text
Dec 20 17:55:05 <truent> ahh thought you were talkin about canola ;p
Dec 20 17:55:08 <mgedmin> I don't think it is currently possible to produce a file with the same md5sum as another file
Dec 20 17:55:15 <db48x> mgedmin: it is
Dec 20 17:55:19 <mgedmin> in a reasonable amount of time?
Dec 20 17:55:22 <milhouse> megedmin: i'm not saying it's impossible, but tricky
Dec 20 17:55:24 <db48x> sure
Dec 20 17:55:29 <mgedmin> db48x: link?
Dec 20 17:55:34 <db48x> lemme find a link
Dec 20 17:55:59 <db48x> I recall a page that has 12 pdfs, each with a different prediction for the next US presidential election, all with the same md5 hash
Dec 20 17:56:02 * |tbb| thinking about downloading it from nokia itself or just goto torrent
Dec 20 17:56:07 <||cw> search for md5 collision
Dec 20 17:56:28 <db48x> yea, here: http://www.win.tue.nl/hashclash/Nostradamus/
Dec 20 17:57:04 <mgedmin> db48x: that's what I said: you can create two files with the same md5sum
Dec 20 17:57:12 <mgedmin> but you currently can't create a file with a given md5sum
Dec 20 17:57:31 <mgedmin> so, if you were nokia, you could create a real OS image and a fake OS image, both having the same md5 hash
Dec 20 17:57:41 <mgedmin> but if you can't change the original, you can't create a fake one
Dec 20 17:58:03 <truent> huh.
Dec 20 17:58:10 <milhouse> downloading a corrupt file that happens to have the same hash as the uncorrupted file is very unlikely. not impossible, but unlikely. manufacturing a file with the same hash as another but different file would also be difficult/tricky, but not impossible.
Dec 20 17:58:27 <_berto_> there are some torrents out there: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=os2008%20torrent
Dec 20 17:59:56 <db48x> mgedmin: no, you can use the same attack to generate a document with any hash that you want
Dec 20 18:02:19 <milhouse> actually manufacturing a collision seems quite easy, but i'd say that it happening due to random chance where a corrupt file has the same hash as an uncorrupted file is still highly unlikely to happen
Dec 20 18:02:32 <db48x> yea, that's true
Dec 20 18:06:21 <L0cutus> Error reading block 196617 (Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read) while getting next inode from scan.  Ignore error<y>? yes
Dec 20 18:06:55 <L0cutus> this just after a mke2fs+fsck.ext2 on my SD
Dec 20 18:07:03 * |R thinks nokia's .install should have been torrent wrappers :P
Dec 20 18:07:04 <L0cutus> not a good thing....
Dec 20 18:11:12 <mgedmin> db48x: that page talks about creating a pair of documents with a common prefix
Dec 20 18:11:53 <mgedmin> or is there a better attack described later on?
Dec 20 18:11:58 * mgedmin reads more closely
Dec 20 18:18:00 <|tbb|> nice ive installed the new update of os2008 on my n800 now i cant install anything from the repros ;( , canola is available but no way to install it either, then i have getting a n810 "old" fw  and cant install anything ;(( . At first i think nice day, but now .....
Dec 20 18:18:46 <k-s> |tbb|: repositories are suffering from too many accesses
Dec 20 18:18:47 * mgedmin fails to find any mention of generating a document that would produce a given md5 hash
Dec 20 18:19:40 <|tbb|> okay then i shout it out loud. everybody plz stop downloading anything from repros! ;)
Dec 20 18:20:27 <truent> just got canola2 ;P
Dec 20 18:20:28 <truent> wewp
Dec 20 18:21:28 <killfill> damn.. repo is still shoked.. :P
Dec 20 18:26:35 <steri> is canola2 out not?
Dec 20 18:26:38 <steri> now?
Dec 20 18:27:03 <steri> omg
Dec 20 18:27:43 <|tbb|> truent how about the speed, does it have kinetic scrolling like ukmp
Dec 20 18:28:12 <k-s> steri: it's out, but repository.maemo.org/extras is suffering from multiple access
Dec 20 18:29:07 <steri> yea :S seems like it
Dec 20 18:31:17 <|tbb|> maybe the canola team bombarding the maemo extra repository with dos attacks , to care about her own server ;)
Dec 20 18:31:30 <truent> lol
Dec 20 18:32:33 <k-s> ehehehe
Dec 20 18:32:51 <truent> |tbb|, kinetic scrolling, it works.. hard to test on mine though, at least for photos i just got an sd card with huge photos so it takes a while to load
Dec 20 18:33:25 <truent> once you're in the viewing mode of anything i'd say its very polished.. looks pretty darn good
Dec 20 18:33:25 <steri> should I update that new os2008 before installing canola2?
Dec 20 18:33:56 <|tbb|> steri when you can get the new os
Dec 20 18:35:05 <k-s> truent: it should save the thumbnails, so big or small pictures should behave the same
Dec 20 18:35:11 <k-s> (after initial loading)
Dec 20 18:35:16 <truent> after they're loaded yeah
Dec 20 18:35:37 <truent> initial loading takes a while, but im talkin 2.5mb each pic and like 200 of em ya know
Dec 20 18:35:45 <truent> its not easy on my desktop ;p
Dec 20 18:37:10 <|tbb|> damn i wish i could hack the keyboard layout for myself (like hitting 2x ctrl button should lock the ctrl button once another key is pressed)
Dec 20 18:37:51 <truent> caps lock
Dec 20 18:37:57 <truent> ;p
Dec 20 18:38:22 <|tbb|> ?
Dec 20 18:44:02 <bucky1> if a phone isnt on this list: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/bluetoothdun/ is there no hope, or has it not been tested yet, or is that list not up to date...?
Dec 20 18:55:05 <|tbb|> will a magnet be negative for the electronic or the lcd of a n810?
Dec 20 18:56:03 <kulve> k-s: is there a wiki page / etc. about the extras repository?
Dec 20 18:56:37 <|tbb|> the battery cover seems to be metal, so if i put the backside of the n810 it on a "magnet wall" will it hurt the machine in any case?
Dec 20 18:57:09 <k-s> kulve: etrunko is the guy to talk with
Dec 20 18:57:17 <k-s> kulve: he is our package/repo master
Dec 20 18:57:58 <|tbb|> or will it hurt the accu
Dec 20 18:58:12 <kulve> k-s: I think I found the page
Dec 20 18:58:39 * timelyx cries
Dec 20 18:58:48 <timelyx> kulve: how much do you know about repositories?
Dec 20 18:59:19 <kulve> timelyx: well. Something.
Dec 20 18:59:32 <timelyx> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/273257
Dec 20 18:59:40 <timelyx> i got that error page from that url
Dec 20 19:00:04 <timelyx> if you use camino/firefox or microb+spellchecker, and look in the textarea, you'll understand my cry
Dec 20 19:00:38 <kulve> I don't :)
Dec 20 19:01:07 <|tbb|> ah maemo repository works fine now, faster than ever
Dec 20 19:03:07 <|tbb|> a little sarcasm, must be allowed
Dec 20 19:03:57 <MoRpHeUz> |tbb|: hehe
Dec 20 19:06:05 <|tbb|> k, gotta leave work now, they dont pay me for waiting downloading something from the repros, but if so i were much richer than now ;)
Dec 20 19:08:21 <kulve> k-s: (I'm speaking to you, as you are here and etrunko is not): I just noticed a slight problem preventing me to upload to extras. Some of the source packages has the same name as the ones in the repository.maemo.org
Dec 20 19:09:17 <etrunko> kulve: here i am!
Dec 20 19:09:18 <etrunko> :)
Dec 20 19:09:19 <kulve> e.g. gst-plugins-base0
Dec 20 19:09:29 <kulve> etrunko: hi :)
Dec 20 19:09:32 <skibur> lol
Dec 20 19:09:37 <skibur> hacking is all I know
Dec 20 19:10:25 <etrunko> kulve: may i ask what are you trying to do?
Dec 20 19:10:30 <kulve> etrunko: did you see my note (I ignore joins and parts, so I don't see when people come and go)
Dec 20 19:10:39 <etrunko> and what is going on?
Dec 20 19:10:52 <etrunko> missed it
Dec 20 19:11:01 <kulve> etrunko: I was about to upload my ogg-support to extras to be better available for your project
Dec 20 19:11:12 <kulve> repeat: k-s: (I'm speaking to you, as you are here and etrunko is not): I just noticed a slight problem preventing me to upload to extras. Some of the source packages has the same name as the ones in the repository.maemo.org
Dec 20 19:11:52 <k-s> sorry, I was out
Dec 20 19:11:53 <k-s> reading...
Dec 20 19:12:07 <kulve> k-s: well, etrunko is here now too..
Dec 20 19:12:46 <k-s> :-)
Dec 20 19:13:16 <kulve> technically there's no problem, but if people do "apt-get source  gst-plugins-base0.10" they'll get my version and not the maemo version. Although that's going to happen currently too, if they have my repo on the sources.list
Dec 20 19:14:15 <etrunko> kulve: that happens if you upgrade the package version number
Dec 20 19:14:51 <kulve> and if I wouldn't have it would be even harder to get the version of the source package you want..
Dec 20 19:15:05 <etrunko> yup
Dec 20 19:15:07 <kulve> now one can state the version number for the apt
Dec 20 19:15:22 <etrunko> actually you need to upgrade it if you have changes
Dec 20 19:15:27 <etrunko> that's the right thing to do
Dec 20 19:15:30 <kulve> yeah
Dec 20 19:15:55 <timelyx> kulve: they can pin the version number
Dec 20 19:15:56 <kulve> I could have modified the name of the source package too..
Dec 20 19:16:08 <etrunko> kulve: let me try to understand it
Dec 20 19:16:27 <etrunko> you got the gst-plugins-base0.10 from maemo
Dec 20 19:16:33 <kulve> yup
Dec 20 19:16:37 <etrunko> changed it a bit
Dec 20 19:16:42 <kulve> yup
Dec 20 19:16:55 <etrunko> now you're trying to send it back
Dec 20 19:17:07 <kulve> well.. Yes.
Dec 20 19:17:11 <etrunko> so
Dec 20 19:17:19 <kulve> I changed the name of the binary packages, so they won't collide
Dec 20 19:17:26 <kulve> but the source packages will.
Dec 20 19:17:37 <etrunko> hmm
Dec 20 19:17:44 <kulve> and my source package doesn't provide the binary packages the maemo version does
Dec 20 19:17:58 <maddler> evening...
Dec 20 19:18:16 <kulve> i.e. the only binary my source provides is gstreamer0.10-plugins-base-ogg
Dec 20 19:19:08 <etrunko> kulve: you should provide the same packages the original one does, plus this one
Dec 20 19:19:43 <hugolp> maemo.org is very slow. Is just me?
Dec 20 19:20:00 <kulve> then it would install my version of the gst base package and I can't know what gcc options etc. the original package might have..
Dec 20 19:20:04 <etrunko> hugolp: unfortunately that's for everyone
Dec 20 19:20:33 <etrunko> kulve: it would install only the gstreamer0.10-plugins-base-ogg
Dec 20 19:20:39 <etrunko> as the other packages are compatible
Dec 20 19:20:52 <kulve> yeah, but my version number would be greated
Dec 20 19:20:59 <etrunko> and the user would just install your other packages if it runs apt
Dec 20 19:21:07 <etrunko> not using the application manager
Dec 20 19:21:30 <hugolp> etrunko: do you know if I installed OS2008 beta I can upgrade or do I have to flash for the official one?
Dec 20 19:21:48 <kulve> hugolp: I think you need to flash it
Dec 20 19:21:56 <kulve> I have the same problem
Dec 20 19:22:06 <skibur> K-PAX is a great movie
Dec 20 19:22:10 <kulve> you can't upgrade e.g. kernel with app.mgr. afaik
Dec 20 19:22:12 <hugolp> bah
Dec 20 19:22:44 <kulve> hugolp: but it should be able to restore apps installed from repositories. Although I saw some blog telling not to restore from the beta..
Dec 20 19:23:14 <etrunko> kulve, hugolp: the same applies to the other nokia closed-source binaries
Dec 20 19:23:36 <kulve> sucks
Dec 20 19:23:59 <CosmicRay> blat.  that bittorrent link for os2008 was the n800 version, not the n810 one.
Dec 20 19:24:00 <CosmicRay> sigh
Dec 20 19:24:04 <hugolp> guess Ill have to install over
Dec 20 19:24:23 <hugolp> not that I have critical data in the N800, but still sucks
Dec 20 19:24:38 <etrunko> hugolp: yeah :(
Dec 20 19:27:39 <hugolp> does anyone know a fm radio player for the N800 with OS2008?
Dec 20 19:27:53 <FMZ> hugolp: It's in the installable applications list.
Dec 20 19:28:30 <hugolp> FMZ:  what name?
Dec 20 19:28:48 <hugolp> your right
Dec 20 19:34:57 <CosmicRay> is there any way to apply n810 firmware upgrades without losing all my files and settings?
Dec 20 19:35:23 <timelyx> you can backup things
Dec 20 19:35:37 <timelyx> however, i'd like to advise you not do that
Dec 20 19:36:03 <timelyx> in theory os2008 has support for non flashed updates
Dec 20 19:36:15 <timelyx> however there were no plans to use it for this release
Dec 20 19:36:55 <CosmicRay> timelyx: why not backup?
Dec 20 19:37:10 <CosmicRay> timelyx: are you speaking of the built-in backup app, or using rsync or something myself?
Dec 20 19:37:12 <timelyx> some settings or files may be such that you don't want them restored
Dec 20 19:37:15 <timelyx> either.
Dec 20 19:37:49 <timelyx> if you have files you personally value, copy them to some other device
Dec 20 19:38:01 <timelyx> (not the internal mmc which you can easily corrupt)
Dec 20 19:38:28 <timelyx> you can use the internal backup to backup the list of installed applications
Dec 20 19:38:45 <timelyx> but in order to restore that list, you'll need to enable some repositories before you restore
Dec 20 19:38:55 <timelyx> but please don't do a full backup/restore :(
Dec 20 19:39:03 * timelyx hates having to make such a request
Dec 20 19:39:43 <Vulc|Bleh> [14:38:46] <timelyx> but in order to restore that list, you'll need to enable some repositories before you restore -- And those repositories will not actually all be there if you try today...
Dec 20 19:40:15 <Vulc|Bleh> some are down because everyone is using them
Dec 20 19:40:29 <timelyx> oh yeah, that's the other cool part
Dec 20 19:40:43 <timelyx> personally, if i were you, i'd wait a week
Dec 20 19:40:59 <timelyx> not because the new software is less stable, and not because i want you to use the old software, because i really don't
Dec 20 19:41:13 <Vulc|Bleh> The new software really _is_ less stable, though
Dec 20 19:41:20 <Vulc|Bleh> as far as I've seen... the app manager is crashing more
Dec 20 19:41:23 <timelyx> but if you have a number of applications you installed, it'll be painful trying to recover them
Dec 20 19:41:41 <CosmicRay> does the windows updater do a non-destructive install?
Dec 20 19:41:51 <Vulc|Bleh> nope
Dec 20 19:41:53 <timelyx> no
Dec 20 19:41:56 <Vulc|Bleh> all clear everything
Dec 20 19:41:59 <timelyx> there are no installers
Dec 20 19:41:59 <CosmicRay> sigh.
Dec 20 19:42:01 <timelyx> they're only flashers
Dec 20 19:42:31 <Vulc|Bleh> which repos are down?
Dec 20 19:42:34 <timelyx> i'm curious, what software have you installed and how much stuff have you configured?
Dec 20 19:42:44 <Vulc|Bleh> Because mine won't even finish refreshing
Dec 20 19:42:46 <timelyx> Vulc|Bleh: generally the maemo.org hosted onces are
Dec 20 19:43:24 <Vulc|Bleh> yeah, but I got some things from -extras last night
Dec 20 19:44:09 <Vulc|Bleh> Oh, its working... slowly, but working now
Dec 20 19:47:51 <youam> hm. my (one week old) n800 does not power on any more. it shows the nokia logo without the progress bar for a few seconds, then dims the light and shuts down after another few seconds. any ideas what's wrong with it?
Dec 20 19:50:20 <Vulc|Bleh> Youam: Try charging it for a day
Dec 20 19:50:31 <Vulc|Bleh> if that doesn't work... Dunno.  Maybe try removing the battery and reseating it
Dec 20 19:51:18 <youam> tried reseating already, and it's already on the charger (but iirc it said it'd still have a few hours usage time left)
Dec 20 19:51:39 <youam> it started misbehaving after failing on a system backup :-(
Dec 20 19:52:44 <Vulc|Bleh> Reflash, if you can
Dec 20 19:52:51 <Vulc|Bleh> if theres stuff you absolutely need on it... dunno
Dec 20 19:54:10 <youam> Vulc|Bleh: it turned off before the flasher can connect to it
Dec 20 19:54:23 <Vulc|Bleh> Did it go into host-mode, though?
Dec 20 19:54:30 <hugolp> is there something wrong with the repos?
Dec 20 19:54:34 <hugolp> OS2008
Dec 20 19:54:46 <Vulc|Bleh> Repos are down/sluggish because everyone is trying to upgrade at the same time
Dec 20 19:54:48 <youam> anyway, i'm trying recharging it for now, but it doesn't show the "hey, i'm alive and charging" screen
Dec 20 19:54:57 <hugolp> Vulc|Bleh:  ok
Dec 20 19:55:03 <hugolp> Ill wait for tomorrow I guess
Dec 20 19:55:19 <youam> Vulc|Bleh: it showed the usb icon, but didn't stay alive long enough to actually do anything
Dec 20 19:55:36 <Vulc|Bleh> Ouch
Dec 20 19:56:51 <youam> funny. if i unplug the charger, the black screen goes alive, shows the nokia logo for a second, then the screen dims, two seconds later it's dead again
Dec 20 19:57:11 <timelyx> there's some magic called play dead mode
Dec 20 19:57:19 * timelyx doesn't remember the rules
Dec 20 19:57:42 <timelyx> iirc the rules involved removing the battery or switching to r&d mode
Dec 20 19:57:45 <youam> timelyx: seems to be triggered by the backup tool
Dec 20 20:00:02 * timelyx wonders how to lie about dns to wget
Dec 20 20:00:03 <youam> timelyx: the rules for getting it into or out of this mode? :)
Dec 20 20:00:22 <timelyx> oh i'm pretty sure i remember the rules for getting into it :)
Dec 20 20:00:28 <timelyx> something like 10 failed boots in a row :)
Dec 20 20:00:54 <timelyx> the idea being that rebooting continuously is bad for the device :)
Dec 20 20:01:00 <timelyx> => play dead
Dec 20 20:01:20 <youam> ah
Dec 20 20:01:42 <youam> seems that taking the battery out for a minute or two helps. it booted
Dec 20 20:01:50 <Vulc|Bleh> How do you even take the battery out?
Dec 20 20:02:00 <Vulc|Bleh> Mine is impossible to find a way to actually grip it
Dec 20 20:02:04 <timelyx> um, typically you had to put the battery in when you bought it...
Dec 20 20:02:27 <timelyx> oh, the cheating way is to slap the other part of the device against your hand
Dec 20 20:02:32 <timelyx> the battery should go flying :)
Dec 20 20:02:36 <Vulc|Bleh> Heh, I never thought of that :(
Dec 20 20:02:42 <youam> Vulc|Bleh: it's possible, but not actually as nice as for other devices.
Dec 20 20:02:49 <timelyx> the more correct way is to use fingernails
Dec 20 20:02:57 <timelyx> you're supposed to grow those for nit's :)
Dec 20 20:02:58 <Vulc|Bleh> I have none of those
Dec 20 20:03:10 <timelyx> fwiw, nails are a definite advantage for nokia tablets
Dec 20 20:03:32 <timelyx> (they're a major disadvantage for apple's touch devices, it's a product differentiator :)
Dec 20 20:03:39 <youam> hehe
Dec 20 20:03:50 <youam> wish me luck, i'm trying the backup again
Dec 20 20:04:00 <Atarii> lol ur a crazy fool
Dec 20 20:04:33 <youam> and it failed again. fsck it.
Dec 20 20:04:51 <Vulc|Bleh> it could be a bad card
Dec 20 20:05:06 <youam> my digicam is fine with that card
Dec 20 20:05:22 <youam> and i just reformatted it within the n800, just to be sure
Dec 20 20:05:28 <Vulc|Bleh> Hm
Dec 20 20:08:09 <timelyx> youam: what's this?
Dec 20 20:09:08 <youam> timelyx: what? &-)
Dec 20 20:11:55 <timelyx> the problem you're having
Dec 20 20:21:52 <||cw> hm, /bin/sh: /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure: not found
Dec 20 20:24:15 <youam> timelyx: i think it really doesn't like the secondary sd card - with the card it's not even possible to move data from the system itself onto the primary card. with the secondary card removed, this does work
Dec 20 20:28:59 <db48x> hrm
Dec 20 20:29:10 <db48x> my n800 is trying to run this elf binary as a shell script
Dec 20 20:29:33 * db48x bets it's the wrong architecture
Dec 20 20:32:05 <timelyx> ||cw: we don't have that file, it's non-fatal, ignore it
Dec 20 20:33:32 <ferulo> grgrgr, stupid repository.maemo.org server!
Dec 20 20:33:38 <||cw> this this much be the real problem
Dec 20 20:33:39 <||cw> dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 1417 package `osso-af-startup':
Dec 20 20:33:39 <||cw>  value for `conffiles' has malformatted line ` dc6920fa7d69e82f1a2f0920799dd461'
Dec 20 20:34:22 <timelyx> youam: please file a bug in bugs.maemo.org
Dec 20 20:36:40 <timelyx> youam: please include details about your memory card
Dec 20 20:37:05 <timelyx> i'm not sure where you can get it, maybe dmesg? or syslog (if you can install sysklogd)
Dec 20 20:37:36 <||cw> yup, there's a line with nothing but that value on it, gonna delet it
Dec 20 20:38:15 <youam> timelyx: will do when i get my new card for the n800, so that i can figure out whether it's because of this card or because of the slot or...
Dec 20 20:38:59 <||cw> that worked, wonder what went wrong
Dec 20 20:41:09 <timelyx> ||cw: did you keep the line somewhere?
Dec 20 20:42:23 <timelyx> great, my n810 killed my n81
Dec 20 20:42:51 <thoughtfix> They fought over copyright infringement?
Dec 20 20:42:59 <thoughtfix> ;)
Dec 20 20:43:52 <Knirchmas> :D
Dec 20 20:45:09 <timelyx> ok
Dec 20 20:46:10 <timelyx> ||cw: can you possibly pastebin the conffiles section from osso-af-startup?
Dec 20 20:46:40 <timelyx> thoughtfix: nah, my n810 decided that it was ok to spend time chatting
Dec 20 20:47:10 <timelyx> my n81 was responsible for the network
Dec 20 20:47:28 <timelyx> actually, i'm not certain ... i also had gps-maps active and this other thing
Dec 20 20:47:45 <timelyx> but it seems more likely that telepathy would hurt than stationary bluetooth gps
Dec 20 20:48:54 <GNUton> Hi
Dec 20 20:48:57 <thoughtfix> Ooooh it killed the battery?
Dec 20 20:49:01 <timelyx> yeah
Dec 20 20:49:22 <timelyx> thankfully my n81 cried out for help and i gave it life support :)
Dec 20 20:49:24 <||cw> timeless: in a bit, update is running
Dec 20 20:50:13 <maddler> hmmm... looks like BOTH my SD cards are gone... strange...
Dec 20 20:50:23 <maddler> wasn't there a bug or something about SDs and OS2008?
Dec 20 20:50:45 <timelyx> maddler: not that i know of
Dec 20 20:51:22 <maddler> mumble...
Dec 20 20:51:31 <ferulo> has anyone set up a mirror of repository.maemo.org ?
Dec 20 20:51:32 <timelyx> maddler: i don't track all bugs for maemo
Dec 20 20:51:39 <timelyx> ferulo: i'm building one slowly
Dec 20 20:51:49 <timelyx> but technically repository seems to be akamai'd, just not usefully
Dec 20 20:51:59 <ferulo> it's really needed, I think I don't have access to p.m.o anymore :)
Dec 20 20:55:27 <GNUton> does anyone know kkito?
Dec 20 20:55:31 <timelyx> ferulo: you're preaching to the people in the pit
Dec 20 20:55:44 <timelyx> infobot seen kkito
Dec 20 20:55:48 <infobot> kkito <n=offs@227.Red-83-57-78.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #kde, 266d 2h 6m 3s ago, saying: 'Sho_, ah ok'.
Dec 20 20:56:01 <GNUton> :(
Dec 20 20:56:02 <timelyx> that kkito?
Dec 20 20:56:31 <GNUton> kkito had developed a inpute metod fro Qt..
Dec 20 20:56:36 <GNUton> s/fro/for
Dec 20 20:56:57 <GNUton> so i want reuse his code..
Dec 20 20:56:59 <timelyx> ok, then um... that's the right kkito :)
Dec 20 20:57:03 <maddler> sloooooooooooooow... damn... I'm trying since yesterday to reinstall everything...
Dec 20 21:01:15 <timelyx> hey, you could be as mean as i am :)
Dec 20 21:01:38 * timelyx is making 2 continuous requests to some instance of repository.maemo.org :)
Dec 20 21:06:18 <maddler> timelyx: hehe
Dec 20 21:07:36 <ccooke> Hmm.
Dec 20 21:07:44 <ccooke> Anyone else having trouble with the n810's GPS?
Dec 20 21:08:01 <ccooke> Thus far, it's done... Nothing.
Dec 20 21:08:43 <maddler> ccooke: I'd be happy to try it... ;)
Dec 20 21:09:11 <CosmicRay> working fine for me
Dec 20 21:09:14 <ccooke> Hmm
Dec 20 21:09:19 <CosmicRay> though I am having trouble with my device not wanting to power on sometimes
Dec 20 21:09:25 <ccooke> It's never yet managed to get a location
Dec 20 21:09:29 <CosmicRay> usually letting it sit and then trying again 30 minutes later fixes that
Dec 20 21:09:39 <CosmicRay> make sure you aren't covering up the antenna, which is in one of the upper corners
Dec 20 21:10:08 <ccooke> in the map application, pressing the satellite button gets a confusing display of (sometimes) some bars and numbers
Dec 20 21:10:14 <ccooke> but.. that's it.
Dec 20 21:10:26 <CosmicRay> if you get bars then you're seeing the sats
Dec 20 21:10:32 <CosmicRay> how long hav eyou waited, and are you outdoors?
Dec 20 21:10:58 <ccooke> CosmicRay: I've never yet had time to wait more than 15 minutes
Dec 20 21:11:07 <ccooke> and usually outdoors, yes
Dec 20 21:11:09 <CosmicRay> shouldn't take that long
Dec 20 21:11:14 <CosmicRay> clear view of the sky?
Dec 20 21:11:32 <ccooke> open space at least 40m from anything taller than me?
Dec 20 21:12:14 <ccooke> Right now I'm indoors. it's showing a few bars, but I haven't found *anything* about how to read the data
Dec 20 21:12:49 <CosmicRay> well close out the gps info screen and look at the map
Dec 20 21:13:04 <ccooke> a blank green screen.
Dec 20 21:13:29 <CosmicRay> perhaps you need to take a tour over the help files for the map app.  it sounds like you haven't loaded the maps for your region.
Dec 20 21:13:30 <ccooke> show current location gets me "Location information not available"
Dec 20 21:13:39 <ccooke> No, the maps are loaded
Dec 20 21:13:40 <CosmicRay> ok in that case it still doesn't have a fix
Dec 20 21:13:48 <ccooke> I've been able to find places.
Dec 20 21:14:04 <ccooke> do you have any idea how to read the GPS display?
Dec 20 21:14:23 <ccooke> It's frustrating having this data that does no good
Dec 20 21:14:31 <CosmicRay> i don't have it in front of me, but it should be showing you the strength of the signals from various satellites
Dec 20 21:14:37 <ccooke> right.
Dec 20 21:14:45 <db48x> arrg
Dec 20 21:14:51 <ccooke> and the numbers beneath the bars?
Dec 20 21:14:55 <db48x> have you guys seen my stylus? it was around here somewhere earlier
Dec 20 21:15:13 <maddler> db48x: try whistling! :D
Dec 20 21:15:26 <ccooke> right now, for instance, I see three strong bars, with two rows of numbers beneath them
Dec 20 21:15:43 <db48x> maddler: heh
Dec 20 21:16:28 <maddler> damn... I can't install ANYTHING! :|
Dec 20 21:16:33 <db48x> aha
Dec 20 21:16:36 <db48x> behind my keyboard
Dec 20 21:17:00 <maddler> if I knew that... I wouldn't upgrade... :(
Dec 20 21:17:14 <maddler> db48x: as always ;)
Dec 20 21:18:02 <inz> ccooke, I would guess the numbers are the numbers of the satellites
Dec 20 21:18:17 <timelyx> maddler: what do you need? :)
Dec 20 21:18:29 <maddler> almost everything... :)
Dec 20 21:19:06 <ccooke> inz: yeah, that was my guess... but each bar has two numbers, one above the other...
Dec 20 21:19:32 <inz> ccooke, whichi is most likely to reduce width
Dec 20 21:20:12 <ccooke> inz: if that's the case... then this thing is seeing 51 datellites.
Dec 20 21:20:18 <ccooke> and still isn't getting a lock
Dec 20 21:20:23 <inz> ccooke, oh, that's not possible
Dec 20 21:20:26 <ccooke> see why I doubt this?
Dec 20 21:20:27 <inz> There's only 24 of them
Dec 20 21:20:32 <ccooke> yes. Quite.
Dec 20 21:21:07 <ccooke> I'm wondering if the upper number is "satellites I've locked on to" and the lower number "satellites I can detect"
Dec 20 21:21:11 <ccooke> but hey.
Dec 20 21:22:33 <||cw> timelyx: original http://pastebin.ca/825865  I took out the line with only "dc6920fa7d69e82f1a2f0920799dd461" and it works, though there's probably a conf file that dpkg now no longer knows about
Dec 20 21:25:31 * timelyx nods
Dec 20 21:25:56 <timelyx> 	22 	Conffiosso-af-init/nice-launch-wrapper-tryrestart.sh cda6727e12a5bdd9b4e85eb8bf9db812
Dec 20 21:25:56 <timelyx> 	23 	
Dec 20 21:25:58 <timelyx> that's strange
Dec 20 21:26:40 <timelyx> a-defines.sh seems to be the one
Dec 20 21:26:55 <||cw> hm, that line is strange, but it doens't complain about it
Dec 20 21:27:08 <timelyx> err
Dec 20 21:27:11 <timelyx> af-defines.sh
Dec 20 21:28:02 <||cw> huh, line 22 isn't what my file looks like...
Dec 20 21:28:49 <||cw> af-defines.sh is in /etc/osso-af-init/?  what's its hash?
Dec 20 21:29:02 <timelyx> sorry, i'm not running official
Dec 20 21:29:06 <timelyx> find someone else :)
Dec 20 21:29:13 <timelyx> tell them how to use grep :)
Dec 20 21:29:45 <etrunko> kulve: are there any -dev packages for mogg?
Dec 20 21:29:53 <||cw> I'll just leave it out, not likely to actualy cause a problem since it's a core package and I won't be dis-upgrading
Dec 20 21:30:07 <timelyx> um
Dec 20 21:30:08 <||cw> dist-^
Dec 20 21:30:15 <timelyx> we hope to do upgrades eventually
Dec 20 21:30:26 <||cw> eventualy, but not likely from 2006
Dec 20 21:30:37 <timelyx> you're using 2006?
Dec 20 21:30:52 <||cw> yeah, on a 770
Dec 20 21:31:02 <||cw> actualy, I'm more likely to flash it fresh and sell it
Dec 20 21:31:26 * timelyx turns on 770
Dec 20 21:31:34 <||cw> unless 2008HE is more complete than 2007HE
Dec 20 21:32:17 <ccooke> *laugh* so *now* the gps gets a signal... I should complain more often
Dec 20 21:32:24 <timelyx> heh
Dec 20 21:33:19 <||cw> does OS2008 on the n800 come with the mapping software and can the maps be downloaded or purchased?
Dec 20 21:34:12 <||cw> if I get an 810 it will be for the maps and software, but if I can get those on the 800, I don't mind using bt gps and I'd like the 2 SD slots
Dec 20 21:34:52 <maddler> OS2008 has no differences on N800 and N810
Dec 20 21:34:53 <maddler> :)
Dec 20 21:35:25 <||cw> but the maps come on a microsd in the 810 right?
Dec 20 21:35:43 <||cw> they don't come with the OS image right?
Dec 20 21:35:46 <timelyx> um, it's a 2gb stprage slot
Dec 20 21:35:53 <timelyx> which has *some* regional maps
Dec 20 21:35:56 <timelyx> up to probably 1.5gb
Dec 20 21:36:05 <timelyx> which is enough to cover east+west usa
Dec 20 21:36:20 <timelyx> everything else, you get to download
Dec 20 21:36:25 <timelyx> (if you can find space for it)
Dec 20 21:36:37 <||cw> which is where the 2 SD's would be nice
Dec 20 21:36:49 <timelyx> maps isn't quite that flexible
Dec 20 21:36:55 <timelyx> at least, from what i've seen
Dec 20 21:37:05 <||cw> does it dl the same way maemo-mapper does or something a bit easier/faster?
Dec 20 21:37:07 <timelyx> but, it's where an 8gb internal card could help :)
Dec 20 21:37:13 <timelyx> a lot slower?
Dec 20 21:37:18 <timelyx> it downloads an entire region
Dec 20 21:37:24 <timelyx> which may be huge (say 800mb)
Dec 20 21:37:27 <timelyx> or tiny (say 8mb)
Dec 20 21:37:36 <timelyx> a region might be um...
Dec 20 21:37:37 <||cw> interesting
Dec 20 21:37:50 <||cw> street only as well?
Dec 20 21:38:03 <timelyx> you can see water :)
Dec 20 21:38:04 <||cw> or topo's and/or sat images?
Dec 20 21:38:39 <timelyx> but no ferry paths that i can see
Dec 20 21:38:49 <timelyx> just one set of maps
Dec 20 21:39:19 <timelyx> singapore is 1mb
Dec 20 21:39:27 <timelyx> usa east is 733mb
Dec 20 21:39:30 <||cw> used my 770 on a canoe trip last fall with sat image, was very nice
Dec 20 21:39:51 <timelyx> i used my 770 traveling through europe and the states
Dec 20 21:39:55 <timelyx> it worked well
Dec 20 21:40:06 <timelyx> although it'd have been slightly better in europe w/ a working bt gp
Dec 20 21:40:07 <timelyx> s
Dec 20 21:40:18 <timelyx> at one point i borrowed a non working bt gps
Dec 20 21:40:20 <||cw> but PoI and actualy downloading the maps is a pain
Dec 20 21:41:32 <timelyx> fwiw, i have yet to see a map downloader ui i actually liked
Dec 20 21:41:44 <timelyx> the one for 2008's Map application is by far the simplest
Dec 20 21:41:52 <timelyx> and when it doesn't fail, it basically works
Dec 20 21:42:34 <timelyx> the Nokia Map Downloader (for Nokia Series 60 Maps which is unrelated to the 2008 Map application) is prettier, has more features, but actually bothered me more
Dec 20 21:42:57 <timelyx> since it repeatedly failed after hours of downloading and insisted i start over from the beginning
Dec 20 21:43:10 <timelyx> (it didn't save any of the work, even though it was downloading to my laptop first)
Dec 20 21:43:34 <dskippy> I looking for someone to hlep me debug my pymaemo (Python2.5 for the OS2008) install. I'm getting a very breif "download failed" message when I install. I'm working off the tutorial on garage.
Dec 20 21:43:35 <db48x> yea, that's annoying
Dec 20 21:43:44 <timelyx> as for maemomapper, its ui might leave the other two to be desired, it works and does what you tell it
Dec 20 21:43:53 <timelyx> unfortunately it forces you to work w/in certain constraints
Dec 20 21:43:56 <dskippy> I did this last night with another device and it worked.
Dec 20 21:44:12 <timelyx> db48x: which phone did you use it w/? :)
Dec 20 21:44:21 <dskippy> I'm wondering if anyone can help me 1) ensure that it's the site that is misbahaving and 2) help me find a mirrored .deb
Dec 20 21:44:29 <timelyx> note: the Map application just doesn't let you batch downloads
Dec 20 21:44:51 <timelyx> so it's not exactly like it's really "better", just "not worse" because it's missing the feature
Dec 20 21:45:07 <db48x> timelyx: oh, I'm falling behind. it's annoying that the map app is so inflexible
Dec 20 21:45:24 <db48x> though fwiw, it has much the same problem with downloads
Dec 20 21:45:39 <db48x> if the download fails half way through it throws away whatever it managed to download
Dec 20 21:45:53 * timelyx nods
Dec 20 21:46:00 <db48x> this is supposed to be the future
Dec 20 21:46:02 <timelyx> given that corruption can happen
Dec 20 21:46:08 <timelyx> i'm not quite sure i blame it
Dec 20 21:46:08 <kdean06> I'm thinking I'll pull the trigger on on an n800 tonight. When tethering to a mobile phone what internet connection speeds should be expected. I keep seeing "dialup internet through mobile". Does it use dialup (i.e. 14.4) or does it use the data capability of the phone/network?
Dec 20 21:46:15 <timelyx> my mmc w/ maps is corrupted
Dec 20 21:46:23 <timelyx> so perhaps starting over isn't such a bad idea ;-)
Dec 20 21:46:40 <db48x> well, it can deal with that by hashing the data and making sure it matches up
Dec 20 21:46:44 <slapin_nb> hi, all!
Dec 20 21:47:00 <slapin_nb> is there some mirror for repository.maemo.org?
Dec 20 21:47:11 <timelyx> slapin_nb: no
Dec 20 21:47:14 <db48x> but there's no excuse for not letting it recover an interrupted download, especially when the files are so large
Dec 20 21:47:16 <timelyx> in theory there's a mirror network
Dec 20 21:47:29 <timelyx> db48x: yeah well... i'm not defending maps
Dec 20 21:47:33 <timelyx> i gave people a long buglist
Dec 20 21:47:37 <timelyx> and well...
Dec 20 21:47:42 <dskippy> slapin_nb, are you having issues download and installing from the site?
Dec 20 21:47:43 <db48x> I'm sure they thanked for that :)
Dec 20 21:47:49 * timelyx rolls eyes
Dec 20 21:47:52 <dskippy> It wouldn't be pymaemo by any chance would it?
Dec 20 21:48:09 <slapin_nb> dskippy, yeah, very slow and sometimes time-outs :(
Dec 20 21:48:13 <timelyx> actually, i think they kinda thanked me for the big double sized paper where i had scrolled my list
Dec 20 21:48:16 <timelyx> :)
Dec 20 21:48:17 <dhdfoo> kdean06: I get 3G speed tethered to my N75
Dec 20 21:48:33 <dskippy> slapin_nb, are you trying to download pymaemo?
Dec 20 21:48:36 <dhdfoo> it's quite usable though there is high latency
Dec 20 21:48:59 <dskippy> I'm also having a hard time getting python2.5 into the scratchbox today.
Dec 20 21:49:00 <slapin_nb> dskippy, no, just trying to get indexes for maemo4 using apt :(
Dec 20 21:49:03 <timelyx> it seems to run in spurts
Dec 20 21:49:12 <timelyx> slapin_nb: i can probably get you indexes
Dec 20 21:49:14 <dskippy> I get errors every time I run apt-get inside scratchbox.
Dec 20 21:49:18 <timelyx> if you have some way to cheat
Dec 20 21:49:19 <kdean06> dhdfoo, Excellent, thank you. :)
Dec 20 21:49:36 <timelyx> http://timeless.justdave.net/repository/repository.maemo.org/dists/maemo4.0/
Dec 20 21:49:45 <timelyx> slapin_nb: is that what you need?
Dec 20 21:49:56 <slapin_nb> dskippy, I had no problems before not so long ago
Dec 20 21:50:04 <slapin_nb> timeless, yes, thanks!
Dec 20 21:50:23 <timelyx> slapin_nb: the server is currently fairly hollow, but eventually i'll fill it out
Dec 20 21:50:51 <dskippy> slapin_nb, I installed pymaemo on another n800 last night and it worked great.
Dec 20 21:50:55 <dskippy> Must be the site :(
Dec 20 21:51:19 <GNUton> hildon menus is created viaQDbus?
Dec 20 21:51:24 <GNUton> via Dbus?
Dec 20 21:51:27 <timelyx> ??
Dec 20 21:51:57 <GNUton> can a non hildon application create hildon menu using dbus?
Dec 20 21:52:06 <slapin_nb> dskippy, it works from time to time, but today I having lots of trouble.
Dec 20 21:52:38 <dskippy> slapin_nb, Have you had issues installing stuff from the scratchbox today by any chance? Has anyone?
Dec 20 21:53:46 <||cw> kdean06: you should get whatever speeds your phone can get
Dec 20 21:54:30 <||cw> dskippy: yes, servers are heavily laoded today
Dec 20 21:55:06 <dskippy> Hm. Guess that means I'll just have to wait 'til tomorrow. At least it's not my stupidity or bad tutorials.
Dec 20 21:55:22 <dskippy> Thanks, slapin_nb and ||cw.
Dec 20 22:02:50 <skibur> what is wayfinder?
Dec 20 22:02:56 <skibur> do I need a GPS device?
Dec 20 22:03:20 <timelyx> skibur: wayfinder is a mapping service vnedor
Dec 20 22:03:24 <timelyx> s/ne/en/
Dec 20 22:03:25 <infobot> timelyx meant: skibur: wayfinder is a mapping service vendor
Dec 20 22:03:44 <skibur> o ok
Dec 20 22:03:45 <timelyx> they're responsible for the Map application in os2008
Dec 20 22:03:46 <skibur> tahnks
Dec 20 22:03:56 <skibur> thanks
Dec 20 22:03:57 <||cw> skibur: n810 has gps built in, n800 and 770 need a bt gps
Dec 20 22:07:00 <dskippy> I am in the scratchbox and the tutorial tells me after installing it to login and type "sb-conf select CHINOOK_X86"
Dec 20 22:07:23 <dskippy> But I get "sb-conf: No such target: CHINOOK_X86" when I do
Dec 20 22:10:36 <CosmicRay> nokia bought wayfinder, right?
Dec 20 22:10:41 <timelyx> no
Dec 20 22:10:51 <CosmicRay> hrm.  teleatlas then?
Dec 20 22:10:59 <timelyx> http://www.nokia.com/A4136001?newsid=1157198
Dec 20 22:11:10 <thoughtfix> Oh I just had a FANTASTIC idea
Dec 20 22:12:20 <timelyx> http://www.nokia.com/A4136001?newsid=1072677
Dec 20 22:12:28 <timelyx> those are the two purchases i know of
Dec 20 22:16:21 <skibur> Anybody know who is working on the Qtopia project on the Nokia Internet Tablet?
Dec 20 22:17:44 <thoughtfix> Okay get this
Dec 20 22:17:46 <Robot101> OS2008 is so awesome, why ever would you want to do that? :P
Dec 20 22:18:48 <Solarion> hey Robot
Dec 20 22:18:55 <thoughtfix> I am going to try to hack my N800 into Access Point mode. Then I will configure the Eye-Fi Wifi SD card to use it and FTP photos to the tablet. From there, I'll have scripts to harvest the photos, resize them, and send them to Flickr or something. Think it'd work?
Dec 20 22:18:57 <timelyx> FINISHED --14:18:27--
Dec 20 22:18:58 <timelyx> Downloaded: 313,508 bytes in 139 files
Dec 20 22:19:12 <Solarion> what's the word on the street about when the n810 codes will go live?
Dec 20 22:19:29 <timelyx> Solarion: no one really knows
Dec 20 22:19:36 <timelyx> but there'll be an annoucement
Dec 20 22:19:42 <skibur> YEs iT will Work!
Dec 20 22:19:43 <Solarion> no rumors?  No innuendo?
Dec 20 22:19:51 <skibur> Do it Thoughtfix
Dec 20 22:20:58 <czr> they're working silently on it Solarion
Dec 20 22:21:12 <timelyx> hrm
Dec 20 22:21:13 <timelyx> czr?
Dec 20 22:21:20 <timelyx> oh
Dec 20 22:21:21 <czr> timelyx?
Dec 20 22:21:24 <timelyx> ok, nm
Dec 20 22:21:52 <czr> object has no symbol information!
Dec 20 22:22:03 <thoughtfix> Hmm
Dec 20 22:22:05 <thoughtfix> I can try
Dec 20 22:22:27 <czr> btw, a friend asked on another channel, does n810/os2008 support wpa tkip? (i.e., the non-aes thingy)
Dec 20 22:22:35 <czr> wpa2 tkip even
Dec 20 22:22:47 <skibur> I don't get it anymore
Dec 20 22:23:02 <skibur> Why is the N800 at $129?
Dec 20 22:23:16 <skibur> what is going to happen with the N800?
Dec 20 22:23:21 <timelyx> skibur: no more production
Dec 20 22:23:30 <timelyx> they're clearing out inventory
Dec 20 22:23:33 <skibur> is that it?
Dec 20 22:24:14 <thoughtfix> timeless: You sure?
Dec 20 22:24:19 <chandler> who's selling it at $129?
Dec 20 22:24:21 <timelyx> no
Dec 20 22:24:33 <skibur> http://www.play.com/Mobiles/Mobile/4-/3299981/-/Product.html
Dec 20 22:24:44 <timelyx> but a price like 129 is pretty much how i picked up my audrey
Dec 20 22:25:18 <jga23> on the n810 is there any way to programically controll the LED?
Dec 20 22:25:20 <skibur> DS lite is also $129
Dec 20 22:25:24 <chandler> skibur: oh. I assumed $ meant "US Dollars", not GBP
Dec 20 22:25:27 <timelyx> jga23: sure
Dec 20 22:25:30 <thoughtfix> I am guessing OS2007 models will be cleared out and replaced with OS2008 models - just how the OS2005 model 770's were cleared out and replaced with a new box/sku OS2006
Dec 20 22:25:33 <timelyx> you can control the n800's led too
Dec 20 22:25:44 <jga23> timelyx: is it possible with python?
Dec 20 22:25:50 * timelyx shrugs
Dec 20 22:26:01 <chandler> I saw the N800 dipped to $180 on buy.com this week, but now it's back up to $230 (the same as I bought it at)
Dec 20 22:26:08 <timelyx> jga23: iirc you can do it w/ dbus or a commandline
Dec 20 22:26:10 * skibur pondring
Dec 20 22:26:16 <timelyx> so as long as python can do one or the other
Dec 20 22:26:28 <timelyx> that's not 129 usd
Dec 20 22:26:31 <timelyx> that's 129 gbp
Dec 20 22:26:38 <timelyx> which is closer to 260usd
Dec 20 22:26:45 * skibur pondering and wondering
Dec 20 22:27:07 * czr goes afk for the rest of the night
Dec 20 22:27:11 <czr> have fun
Dec 20 22:27:42 <timelyx> ok, well, my answer was assuming the 130 was usd :)
Dec 20 22:27:49 <skibur> so 299 gbp is more the 299 us ?
Dec 20 22:28:00 <czr> skibur, yes
Dec 20 22:28:13 <czr> pretty much anything is more than usd nowadays
Dec 20 22:28:34 <skibur> so this is site took the same numbers for the nokia official site and add gbp ?
Dec 20 22:28:35 <timelyx> czr: useless
Dec 20 22:28:43 <skibur> making it cost more?
Dec 20 22:28:44 <timelyx> it's been 2usd to 1gbp for years
Dec 20 22:28:54 <timelyx> even before the dollar tanked
Dec 20 22:28:55 <ryoohki> has the nokia n810 been released yet?
Dec 20 22:29:07 <timelyx> ryoohki: it was released about a month ago :)
Dec 20 22:29:07 <czr> timelyx, I know :-)
Dec 20 22:29:13 <timelyx> it's a matter of getting it into stores
Dec 20 22:29:24 <ryoohki> really? i haven't seen it in the stores in the us yet
Dec 20 22:29:26 <timelyx> and no one really seems to understand that :)
Dec 20 22:29:33 <ryoohki> ok
Dec 20 22:29:39 <czr> all santa's little helpers are busy delivering christmas presents, none can be spared to deliver N810s
Dec 20 22:30:01 <ryoohki> what's the cheapest it's been had for yet?  i've seen it for aorun $400
Dec 20 22:30:18 <ryoohki> aorun = around
Dec 20 22:30:24 <timelyx> 99usd w/ a dev credit? :)
Dec 20 22:30:38 <czr> laters
Dec 20 22:31:09 <ryoohki> a dev credit?
Dec 20 22:31:23 <ryoohki> i have to do a dev project on maemo.org?
Dec 20 22:31:37 <ryoohki> then it's $99?  is that right?
Dec 20 22:33:12 <ryoohki> how do i sign up for $99 for 1 credit n810?
Dec 20 22:33:44 <kdean06> timeless, Nokia is actually offering their developers incentives to use and develop on their devices? They're not unwashed pariahs?
Dec 20 22:34:11 <timelyx> kdean06: nokia has since the 770 days
Dec 20 22:34:12 <thoughtfix> The developer program has been filled for some time now
Dec 20 22:34:24 <timelyx> but it is the cheapest you'll find :)
Dec 20 22:34:41 <timelyx> don't worry, most devs can't convert their credit into devices
Dec 20 22:34:56 <timelyx> because they can't find anyone who (1) has devices for sale and (2) accepts the credits
Dec 20 22:35:02 <timelyx> so they get to wait longer :(
Dec 20 22:35:09 <kdean06> I won't name names but there are some other comapnies who actually expect their developers to purchase, at full price, the "next" device.
Dec 20 22:35:36 <kdean06> The fact that they offer the incentive, even limited, is pretty neat.
Dec 20 22:36:01 <kdean06> Anyone know of any US retailers that actually STOCK the n800s or are they all online only? (Immeditate Gratification!)
Dec 20 22:37:31 <Tester_> kdean06: store.nokia.com ?
Dec 20 22:38:03 <kdean06> Is there a typo there?
Dec 20 22:38:07 <||cw> compusa used to carry them
Dec 20 22:38:10 <timelyx> Tester_: that'd be online :)
Dec 20 22:38:33 <thoughtfix> back when compusa ... existed
Dec 20 22:38:34 <thoughtfix> ;)
Dec 20 22:39:11 <timelyx> details...
Dec 20 22:39:18 <Tester_> nokia offline store if they exist in your world
Dec 20 22:39:37 <kdean06> Apparently their ONLINE store doesn't exist anymore. :P
Dec 20 22:40:02 <kdean06> Nor does CompUSA (who's site lists the n800 and the n810 for the same price)
Dec 20 22:40:09 <kdean06> So it seems Amazon gets my money. :S
Dec 20 22:40:19 <kdean06> Now, which website do I like...
Dec 20 22:42:36 <thoughtfix> CompUSA got sold to a liquidator
Dec 20 22:42:44 <thoughtfix> meaning EVERY price starts at MSRP
Dec 20 22:43:00 <timelyx> ? so it's back to 400+?
Dec 20 22:43:04 <thoughtfix> And then they start discounting it based on ... the phase of the moon or some crap
Dec 20 22:43:10 <thoughtfix> Every price at CompUSA anyway
Dec 20 22:43:10 <timelyx> heh
Dec 20 22:45:11 <disq> i'm getting md5sum mismatch and size mismatch errors from extras-devel, trying to install canola2
Dec 20 22:45:40 <ryoohki> $410 at Provantage in the USA
Dec 20 22:45:52 <wolf08> Same here disq
Dec 20 22:46:28 <wolf08> If I get it installed correctly and my n800 doesn't wipe my packages, I'll try and set up a temporary apt repo.
Dec 20 22:46:30 <disq> and it's not a "one click install" if you have to click two different buttons
Dec 20 22:46:30 <Rocketman> lots of repository trouble...
Dec 20 22:47:29 <timelyx> Rocketman: do you need something? :)
Dec 20 22:47:35 <disq> i just disabled extras-devel repo maybe it'll help
Dec 20 22:47:46 <Rocketman> Is there no way to add multiple repositories from a single .install file
Dec 20 22:47:52 <disq> there is with chinook
Dec 20 22:47:53 <Rocketman> ?
Dec 20 22:48:03 <timelyx> not for 2007 or earlier
Dec 20 22:48:07 <timelyx> well
Dec 20 22:48:13 <disq> then they should make two different install pages
Dec 20 22:48:27 <timelyx> i suppose if an install file had a .deb that postinst'd a bunch of repos
Dec 20 22:48:40 <Rocketman> Is anyone seeing an update for the map application as being available?
Dec 20 22:48:42 <wolf08> Yuck, that's ugly
Dec 20 22:48:43 <timelyx> and then postinst tried to install another deb :)
Dec 20 22:49:14 <disq> Rocketman: i am, didn't try updating yet
Dec 20 22:49:16 <Rocketman> One shows up for me, but the version info shows same as what is already installed
Dec 20 22:49:47 <timelyx> heh
Dec 20 22:49:51 <timelyx> that's not good :)
Dec 20 22:50:00 <disq> i was getting too much timeout errors with repo.maemo.org earlier, reverted to apt-get
Dec 20 22:50:01 <timelyx> this is in application manager?
Dec 20 22:50:06 <Rocketman> odd, to be sure
Dec 20 22:50:10 <Rocketman> yeah
Dec 20 22:50:42 * timelyx wonders if there's a way to get application manager to explain
Dec 20 22:50:48 <Rocketman> when I click the blue i info button it is showing same version number, exactly
Dec 20 22:50:49 <wolf08> Yeah, apt-get seems to be a little more relyable
Dec 20 22:51:05 <timelyx> Rocketman: depends?
Dec 20 22:51:34 <Rocketman> none listed
Dec 20 22:51:47 <alterego> I think I'll hold of flashing my N800 until my N810 comes.
Dec 20 22:51:55 <alterego> I'm happy with OS2008 beta.
Dec 20 22:51:55 <timelyx> apt-cache showpkg / apt-cache show / ... ?
Dec 20 22:51:59 <alterego> For now.
Dec 20 22:52:00 <Rocketman> I just don't want to update if I don't have to
Dec 20 22:52:10 <Rocketman> as am on a edge connection
Dec 20 22:52:16 <timelyx> i certainly haven't heard of any plans to update it
Dec 20 22:52:16 <alterego> Heh
Dec 20 22:52:42 <timelyx> the 2008 50 release of course should have included a newer map app
Dec 20 22:52:51 <timelyx> possibly enabling some features
Dec 20 22:52:57 * timelyx has no idea what it got
Dec 20 22:53:00 <Rocketman> So, what do people think of new Canola?
Dec 20 22:53:08 <Rocketman> I am running the new firmware
Dec 20 22:53:28 <wolf08> Once I'm able to download it.... I'd be glad to tell you
Dec 20 22:53:36 <timelyx> heh
Dec 20 22:54:59 <wolf08> Most of my downloaded files have a size of 199 bytes
Dec 20 22:55:14 <wolf08> The rest say failed....
Dec 20 22:55:27 <timelyx> iirc 199 bytes is an error message
Dec 20 22:55:49 <wolf08> Ahh, yes it is!
Dec 20 22:56:05 <wolf08> "The Service is temporarily unavailable"
Dec 20 22:56:33 <timelyx> does it have "inconvinience" ? :)
Dec 20 22:56:39 <wolf08> Yes
Dec 20 22:56:44 <timelyx> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2609
Dec 20 22:57:05 <wolf08> lol
Dec 20 22:57:08 <timelyx> even the error messages are buggy :)
Dec 20 22:57:19 <timelyx> i had >800 copies of that file
Dec 20 22:57:50 <wolf08> Did you ever get it installed?
Dec 20 22:57:58 <timelyx> get what installed?
Dec 20 22:58:05 <timelyx> i'm just downloading the repository, 3 files at a time
Dec 20 22:58:14 <wolf08> Sorry, I assumed you were trying to get canola2
Dec 20 22:58:17 <timelyx> well, i think 3 files at a time, maybe 5 files at a time
Dec 20 22:58:23 <wolf08> I finally got the repo
Dec 20 22:58:29 <timelyx> which repository is canola in? :)
Dec 20 22:58:48 <wolf08> Well, it has packages in both extras and extras devel I think
Dec 20 22:59:12 <wolf08> deb http://repository.maemo.org/ chinook free non-free
Dec 20 22:59:12 <wolf08> deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ chinook free non-free
Dec 20 22:59:24 <timelyx> i don't have *anything* from extras/pool yet
Dec 20 22:59:25 <wolf08> Those two repos
Dec 20 22:59:54 <timelyx> and my pool/chinook dir is empty
Dec 20 23:00:02 <timelyx> i'm currently getting pool/maemo2.0 :)
Dec 20 23:00:06 <timelyx> which is of course very useful
Dec 20 23:00:10 <wolf08> lol!
Dec 20 23:00:26 <timelyx> i have some part of extras-devel/pool/chinook/free/
Dec 20 23:01:08 <timelyx> i'm at free/libp which i'd assume isn't so bad
Dec 20 23:01:58 <timelyx> it's about halfway through, not counting the source/ directory which will probably be devoid of stuff
Dec 20 23:02:24 * timelyx tries to remember how the source/ directory works
Dec 20 23:02:28 <timelyx> is it a symlink to .. ?
Dec 20 23:03:07 <timelyx> 15:02:09 (19.10 KB/s) - Connection closed at byte 10651. Retrying.
Dec 20 23:03:10 <timelyx> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 206 Partial Content
Dec 20 23:03:12 * timelyx grins
Dec 20 23:03:42 <timelyx> it's actually quite cool being able to see all these spiffy http codes used in the real world
Dec 20 23:05:27 <timelyx> hrm, that's confusing
Dec 20 23:05:51 <timelyx> why is libecore in free/e/ecore instead of free/libe/libecore ?
Dec 20 23:07:49 <wolf08> Hmm
Dec 20 23:07:53 <wolf08> I'm not sure
Dec 20 23:09:30 <wolf08> But I'm seeing the same thing!
Dec 20 23:10:00 <timelyx> am i wrong in thinking that's /odd/ ?
Dec 20 23:10:56 <timelyx> hrm, i don't have extras-devel/distros/* yet :(
Dec 20 23:20:55 <fnordianslip> anyone else seeing excessive "javascript confirmation' doalogs in microb when searching google or posting on itT?
Dec 20 23:21:13 <fnordianslip> s/doalog/dialog
Dec 20 23:21:36 <fnordianslip> Do a log ... <snigger>
Dec 20 23:26:25 <fnordianslip> in os2008 to be more specific...
Dec 20 23:30:43 <theril_> fnordianslip: Not anymore in the latest
Dec 20 23:31:25 <ljp> skibur: i am working on qtopia
Dec 20 23:31:39 <theril_> Maemo repositories seem to be quite hosed
Dec 20 23:32:19 <fnordianslip> oh. k. most broswers ask if you want to be constantly nagged about sending form contents unencrypted, but this one doesn't
Dec 20 23:33:03 <theril_> fnordianslip: Yes, I used to be annoyed by it too, but it seems to be fixed in the latest release
Dec 20 23:33:45 <fnordianslip> not so, for me, unless there's been an update in the last day
Dec 20 23:33:55 <fnordianslip> never saw it in th beta
Dec 20 23:34:24 <theril_> Weird
Dec 20 23:34:32 <fnordianslip> indeed
Dec 20 23:34:49 <theril_> Are people able to refresh repository.maemo.org -repositories?
Dec 20 23:35:00 <theril_> I'm trying to get the new canola, but no luck
Dec 20 23:35:06 <fnordianslip> kinda
Dec 20 23:35:42 <fnordianslip> that's a bit ambitious at the mo
Dec 20 23:36:31 <theril_> Yea, seems to be
Dec 20 23:37:26 <pupnik> the canola guys did an impressive flash page demo
Dec 20 23:37:37 <pupnik> with a great music choice (pixies)
Dec 20 23:37:49 <wolf08> Yeah, the maemo repos are shot
Dec 20 23:40:50 <theril_> Maemo.org seems to be running on unbelievebly crappy server
Dec 20 23:48:21 <wolf08> Has anyone here successfully installed canola2 using apt-get?
Dec 20 23:48:57 <k-s> wolf08: why not?
Dec 20 23:51:16 <maddler> wolf08: I was
Dec 20 23:54:27 <ccooke> I'm attempting it now...
Dec 20 23:55:04 <wolf08> Ok, if anyone sucessfully installs canola2 via apt-get it means that you still have the install files cached. I can host them for others if I'm able to get them.
Dec 20 23:59:29 <timelyx> fnordianslip: the dialog title is misleading
Dec 21 00:00:10 <timelyx> fnordianslip: the prefs for some strange reason get confused, you can try to force the right prefs, either by using about:config or editing ~/.mozilla/microb/prefs.js
Dec 21 00:00:45 <timelyx> anyway if all you need are the package lists
Dec 21 00:00:53 <timelyx> i think i have them for most things
Dec 21 00:01:35 <timelyx> hrm, nope
Dec 21 00:01:40 <timelyx> i'm missing a piece, oops :)
Dec 21 00:01:48 <timelyx> repositories are too deep :)
Dec 21 00:02:04 <timelyx> but right now, repository.maemo.org is very responsive, so please don't use it ;-)
Dec 21 00:10:00 <fnordianslip> timelyx: thanks. will try that
Dec 21 00:10:32 <timelyx> fnordianslip: note that you can't edit prefs.js while the browser is running
Dec 21 00:10:42 <timelyx> (you can use about:config from the browser)
Dec 21 00:10:43 <fnordianslip> k
Dec 21 00:10:50 <timelyx> the browser will wipe out prefs.js when it quits
Dec 21 00:16:15 <slapin_nb> do anybody knows if n810 is sold in Finland yet?
Dec 21 00:16:35 <slapin_nb> (me waits for notification)
Dec 21 00:18:19 <pupnik> it's sold in germany since about 1 week
Dec 21 00:18:26 <pupnik> or more
Dec 21 00:27:23 <unique311> mirrors
Dec 21 00:27:39 <fnordianslip> timelyx: tnx ... editing prefs.js worked for me
Dec 21 00:27:51 <jumpula> mirrors, mirros, on the net
Dec 21 00:28:05 <unique311> so what exactly is wrong with the repos
Dec 21 00:28:09 <jumpula> still another day downtime, wanna bet?
Dec 21 00:28:11 <unique311> can't seem to install anything
Dec 21 00:28:58 <fnordianslip> they were made of chocolate and melted
Dec 21 00:29:06 <unique311> anyone in the NYC area want to purchase nokia n800 tablet
Dec 21 00:30:48 <timelyx> heh
Dec 21 00:30:52 <timelyx> i'm mirroring maemo1.1
Dec 21 00:30:56 <timelyx> will that help anyone? :)
Dec 21 00:31:50 <slapin_nb> timeless, sure
Dec 21 00:32:03 <unique311> other linux distros  have lots of mirrors.
Dec 21 00:32:30 <unique311> same should be done for The Maemo
Dec 21 00:33:02 <timelyx> slapin_nb: do you know what maemo1.1 is? :)
Dec 21 00:33:23 <wolf08> Lets just say that chinook is maemo4.0
Dec 21 00:33:27 <unique311> sardine?
Dec 21 00:33:52 <timelyx> unique311: if you want to build chinook/sardine from sources, i can offer sources for both :)
Dec 21 00:34:19 <unique311> no...i just want to install my applications.
Dec 21 00:34:29 <fnordianslip> big distcc cluster?
Dec 21 00:35:30 <wolf08> unique311: we're all in the same position.... nobody can use the repos atm.
Dec 21 00:36:06 <unique311> but is it because everyone is trying to dl at the same time...or just screwed up repos?
Dec 21 00:36:26 <slapin_nb> timeless, I had maemo1.0 on device
Dec 21 00:36:34 <timelyx> slapin_nb: wow
Dec 21 00:36:53 <timelyx> i've only had 1.0 on devices because i wanted to get the original movies :)
Dec 21 00:36:53 <slapin_nb> timeless, some old stuff but, sometimes useful. not on nokias though.
Dec 21 00:36:56 <timelyx> ice age iirc
Dec 21 00:37:21 <slapin_nb> timelyx, oops, last one intended for you
Dec 21 00:37:28 <slapin_nb> timeless, sorry
Dec 21 00:37:33 * timelyx is timeless
Dec 21 00:38:09 <slapin_nb> ah, that;s curious...
Dec 21 00:39:14 * timelyx is also timely on occasion
Dec 21 00:39:38 <unique311> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=112500&postcount=197
Dec 21 00:39:43 <unique311> thats funny
Dec 21 00:40:16 * timelyx grins
Dec 21 00:40:44 <unique311> ddos
Dec 21 00:41:07 <unique311> vacation theory might be valid
Dec 21 00:46:48 <unique311> hmm, wait till midnight....then try to install apps.
Dec 21 00:46:53 <unique311> i think i will try that.
Dec 21 00:47:23 <timelyx> what time zone?
Dec 21 00:47:31 <unique311> eastern
Dec 21 00:47:36 <unique311> the americas
Dec 21 00:47:48 * timelyx ponders
Dec 21 00:47:57 <unique311> but i'm guessing everyone who just read me saying this might be trying the same thing tonight.
Dec 21 00:48:12 <timelyx> in theory, akamai mirroring contnet
Dec 21 00:48:24 <timelyx> so yeah, you /should/ be competing w/ people in your time zone
Dec 21 00:48:30 <timelyx> however, i'm not sure that's correct
Dec 21 00:50:04 <unique311> so right now i'm competing with the american nokia owners, and the insomniac overseas owners
Dec 21 00:50:18 <Luria> sorry to interject, but is there a deb|repo for abiword on chinook?
Dec 21 00:50:19 <timelyx> it's only 3am
Dec 21 00:50:31 <timelyx> Luria: ask gronmeyer (topic)
Dec 21 00:50:33 <unique311> so around 12 midnight i'll be competing with the overseas nokia owners, and the insomniac american owners
Dec 21 00:50:36 <unique311> still screwed
Dec 21 00:50:46 <timelyx> yeah, it doesn't really get better
Dec 21 00:51:16 <unique311> i'll try on the weekend.
Dec 21 00:51:29 <unique311> should empty then.
Dec 21 00:51:34 * timelyx rotfl
Dec 21 00:51:49 <hugolp> any one has tried mobile mythtv on the new OS2008?
Dec 21 00:51:52 <hugolp> on N800
Dec 21 00:51:53 <timelyx> do you think people are more likely to update from work, or from home?
Dec 21 00:52:01 <unique311> home
Dec 21 00:52:14 <timelyx> which means, weekends should be better or worse? :)
Dec 21 00:52:18 <unique311> shit
Dec 21 00:52:44 <Luria> if they own ITs, both ;-)
Dec 21 00:52:45 <unique311> pardon my french
Dec 21 00:53:13 * pupnik is jealous of unique311's painting skill
Dec 21 00:53:46 <Luria> gah. app manager has taken to crashing like a kennedy.
Dec 21 00:53:47 <unique311> i have something i need to upload to the sketchbook
Dec 21 00:53:58 <pupnik> and you know what's funny and sad?
Dec 21 00:54:05 <unique311> i'll let you know when its up.
Dec 21 00:54:16 <pupnik> you and me found a ton of stuff nobody else found to port
Dec 21 00:54:22 <pupnik> that's crazy to me
Dec 21 00:54:41 <pupnik> that was some real fun
Dec 21 00:54:42 <unique311> same here
Dec 21 00:55:10 <unique311> i really tried at the hildon stuff.
Dec 21 00:55:17 <unique311> i read, and read
Dec 21 00:55:36 <unique311> im no good at the coding
Dec 21 00:55:42 <Luria> wow. when did gronmeyer change to look like that!
Dec 21 00:55:43 <unique311> i just get headaches.
Dec 21 00:55:52 <pupnik> yeah but you made pose worthwhile
Dec 21 00:55:59 <pupnik> you got gimp running
Dec 21 00:56:09 <unique311> maybe i influence garnet on the port..
Dec 21 00:56:16 <pupnik> and the flash games
Dec 21 00:56:18 <pupnik> yep
Dec 21 00:57:34 <pupnik> but the problem is, unless something gets finished and uploaded into one of the main repositories - it just doesn't get attention from most people
Dec 21 00:57:48 <unique311> true
Dec 21 00:58:02 <pupnik> but i think we put some pressure on people to do stuff
Dec 21 00:59:03 <unique311> speaking of which.....wonder how's the hildonization of Faint coming along.
Dec 21 00:59:14 <timelyx> Luria: did you make /media/mmc1/core-dumps ?
Dec 21 00:59:24 <timelyx> getting cores for app manager crashing would be nice
Dec 21 01:00:25 <Luria> nope. will try and help.
Dec 21 01:00:35 <Luria> batt low, brb
Dec 21 01:12:06 <timelyx> FINISHED --17:10:37--
Dec 21 01:12:06 <timelyx> Downloaded: 350,253 bytes in 1153 files
Dec 21 01:12:08 * timelyx sighs
Dec 21 01:12:43 <timelyx> 340bytes/minute
Dec 21 01:12:50 <timelyx> that's not really such a good transfer speed
Dec 21 01:13:14 <timelyx> or is that second?
Dec 21 01:13:25 <timelyx> ok, 340bytes/second
Dec 21 01:13:43 <shackan> terrific, in 1970
Dec 21 01:16:48 <fnordianslip> but in 1970, where would you store all that data?
Dec 21 01:16:59 <fnordianslip> on a crt?
Dec 21 01:17:36 <timelyx> dunno, it's before my time
Dec 21 01:17:47 <timelyx> i started w/ floppies that if you used both sides could hold 360k
Dec 21 01:17:50 <timelyx> i.e., what i downloaded
Dec 21 01:18:17 <fnordianslip> cool for backup then
Dec 21 01:19:08 <fnordianslip> maybe they're serving from floppy ;-)
Dec 21 01:19:45 <timelyx> i still like the idea of using tablets w/ gprs to serve the content :)
Dec 21 01:20:10 <fnordianslip> p2p?
Dec 21 01:20:40 <shackan> we have bittorrent, we don't have gprs dataplans
Dec 21 01:20:59 <timelyx> does bittorrent really work for repositories?
Dec 21 01:21:26 <shackan> oh, I tought you dowloaded the OS image
Dec 21 01:21:38 <timelyx> nah, i have no use for the os image
Dec 21 01:21:57 <shackan> so the repos are crippled as well?
Dec 21 01:22:02 <shackan> sheeesh
Dec 21 01:22:08 <timelyx> the speed i'm quoting is for the repository
Dec 21 01:22:19 <timelyx> technically it's 1 of five concurrent streams i had
Dec 21 01:22:29 <timelyx> but i think they're being serviced fairly evenly
Dec 21 01:22:36 <shackan> ping your boss to get some real infrastructure, seriously :)
Dec 21 01:22:45 <timelyx> my boss doesn't care
Dec 21 01:22:55 <timelyx> browser is on garage, and that works
Dec 21 01:23:01 <timelyx> besides, i already mirror garage content
Dec 21 01:23:05 <shackan> his boss, then
Dec 21 01:23:21 <timelyx> http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/source/browser/www/index.html
Dec 21 01:25:37 <wolf08> sigh... This situation is really sad. It would be nice to have a torrent....
Dec 21 01:26:04 <shackan> we have torrents for os2008
Dec 21 01:26:57 <wolf08> True
Dec 21 01:27:21 <wolf08> And that's how I got my os2008 =P (and of course contributed at least that much upload back)
Dec 21 01:27:34 <crafton> hi here. here's a question.. why canola is not opensource? Is strange in a floss env.
Dec 21 01:27:45 <timelyx> crafton: asking here isn't useful
Dec 21 01:27:54 <timelyx> lots of software for the tablets isn't open source
Dec 21 01:28:02 <timelyx> map, rhapsody, browser-ui, ...
Dec 21 01:28:23 <timelyx> it often depends on who wrote the software and why
Dec 21 01:28:33 <timelyx> and sometimes there may be plans to opensource later
Dec 21 01:29:24 <crafton> I had confused from today, because the enthusiastic community with canola, always make me think that Canola was floss....
Dec 21 01:29:41 <timelyx> komodo is a python based ide most customers use it in open source projects
Dec 21 01:29:48 <timelyx> and it was built on mozilla
Dec 21 01:29:54 <timelyx> but it was only recently open sourced
Dec 21 01:30:30 <crafton> ..and maybe canola in a future would be opened?
Dec 21 01:30:39 <k-s[AWAY]> crafton: we want to
Dec 21 01:30:41 * timelyx shrugs
Dec 21 01:30:51 <k-s[AWAY]> crafton: so far we help with lots of free software code
Dec 21 01:30:56 <timelyx> asking in #canola would be better
Dec 21 01:31:05 <k-s[AWAY]> crafton: like lightmediascanner, python-efl, fixes to efl...
Dec 21 01:31:17 <timelyx> asking here is like asking why wordperfect or oracle aren't opensourced in #linux
Dec 21 01:31:24 <k-s[AWAY]> ehehehe
Dec 21 01:31:28 <crafton> ok, excuxse me timelyx
Dec 21 01:32:23 <timelyx> ok, repository is having serious issues
Dec 21 01:32:36 <timelyx> it's dropped the last couple of attempts a bunch of my clients made
Dec 21 01:32:41 <crafton> anyways.. canola seems a great software for the Nokia Tablets... from now... trying to download from repos.
Dec 21 01:32:43 <timelyx> 17:28:31 (13.08 KB/s) - Connection closed at byte 9281. Retrying.
Dec 21 01:32:46 <timelyx> 17:31:36 (5.55 KB/s) - Connection closed at byte 12016. Retrying.
Dec 21 01:33:03 <timelyx> 17:32:06 (0.00 B/s) - Connection closed at byte 46217. Retrying.
Dec 21 01:33:06 <timelyx> Length: 46,418 (201 to go) [text/plain]
Dec 21 01:33:13 * timelyx needs 201 bytes :o
Dec 21 01:33:29 <K`zan> :-) this time next week :-)
Dec 21 01:33:53 <leonardof> is there any chance of installing the full os2008 inside chinook, to try in my PC?
Dec 21 01:34:14 <timelyx> armel?
Dec 21 01:34:26 <wolf08> timelyx what are you dl/ing now?
Dec 21 01:34:29 <timelyx> iirc it isn't legal
Dec 21 01:34:33 <timelyx> wolf08: um...
Dec 21 01:34:38 <leonardof> oh
Dec 21 01:34:38 <timelyx>            => `repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/chinook/free/n/ncurses/libncursesw5-dbg_5.4-3.osso1_armel.deb'
Dec 21 01:34:43 <timelyx>            => `repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo1.1/free/o/osso-core-config/index.html'
Dec 21 01:34:53 <timelyx>   (try: 6) => `repository.maemo.org/dists/maemo2.0rc22/non-free/binary-i386/Packages'
Dec 21 01:34:58 <wolf08> so basically the entire repo?
Dec 21 01:35:00 <timelyx>   (try: 5) => `repository.maemo.org/dists/maemo2.0rc22/non-free/binary-armel/Packages'
Dec 21 01:35:01 <wolf08> How are you doing that?
Dec 21 01:35:09 <timelyx> wget in very small pieces
Dec 21 01:35:17 <timelyx> but yes
Dec 21 01:35:20 <wolf08> manually?
Dec 21 01:35:21 <timelyx> hrm,
Dec 21 01:35:34 <timelyx> oops
Dec 21 01:35:37 <timelyx> that's bad
Dec 21 01:35:56 <timelyx> i had 2 clients working the same turf
Dec 21 01:35:59 * timelyx wonders how that happened
Dec 21 01:37:10 <fnordianslip> timelyx DDOS maemo all by himself?
Dec 21 01:37:13 <leonardof> Can .install files be used in the sdk??
Dec 21 01:40:02 <timelyx> leonardof: well.. kinda
Dec 21 01:40:07 <timelyx> you're missing a browser typically
Dec 21 01:40:18 <timelyx> but if you can convince application manager to open them, i'd expect they'd work
Dec 21 01:40:43 <timelyx> probably also depends on whether you're doing armel or i386
Dec 21 01:40:55 <timelyx> if you're doing i386, odds are people didn't make i386 binaries anyway :)
Dec 21 01:41:52 <leonardof> really
Dec 21 01:42:10 <shackan> why would anyone make for i386 anyway?
Dec 21 01:42:53 <timelyx> debugging is easier under i386
Dec 21 01:43:58 <timelyx> hrm, my 770 just rebooted
Dec 21 01:44:49 <shackan> did it also greet you with "hello, human!" after boot?
Dec 21 01:45:02 <timelyx> it's muted
Dec 21 01:45:11 <timelyx> but the splash is supposed to be a vista logo
Dec 21 01:45:17 <Mozillar> Are there any irc clients for ITOS07 other than xchat?
Dec 21 01:45:25 <shackan> Mozillar: pidgin
Dec 21 01:45:36 <timelyx>  /proc/boot_reason = 32wd_to
Dec 21 01:45:42 <timelyx> not really so interesting
Dec 21 01:45:56 <shackan> I'm unfamiliar with boot codes
Dec 21 01:46:04 <timelyx> ooh, nice
Dec 21 01:46:30 <timelyx> JFFS2 warning: (680) jffs2_sum_write_sumnode: Not enough space for summary, padsize = -240
Dec 21 01:46:45 <timelyx> shackan: google :) watchdog timeout
Dec 21 01:47:11 <timelyx> heh
Dec 21 01:47:48 <K`zan> Whew, ssh update is missing something but it doesn't appear to keep installed ssh from working...
Dec 21 01:48:10 <timelyx> Argh. No free space left for GC. nr_erasing_blocks is 0. nr_free_blocks is 0. (erasableempty: yes, erasingempty: yes, erasependingempty: yes)
Dec 21 01:48:39 <shackan> mmm, ff 3.0 memory usage isn't going through the roof yet, good
Dec 21 01:49:02 <timelyx> 7mb available on /
Dec 21 01:50:33 <shackan> N-Gage delayed until 2008
Dec 21 01:50:54 <timelyx> that's good
Dec 21 01:51:01 <fnordianslip> that floppy full noow?
Dec 21 01:51:04 <timelyx> maybe they'll have time to get it right :)
Dec 21 01:51:05 <shackan> ha, guys never learn not to announce until it's all done
Dec 21 01:51:07 <fnordianslip> now
Dec 21 01:51:25 <shackan> timelyx: have you had any chance to use it?
Dec 21 01:51:32 <timelyx> yes, it's on my phone right now
Dec 21 01:51:39 <timelyx> Minimum # players needed (1/2)
Dec 21 01:51:45 <timelyx> and if you think that text is ok...
Dec 21 01:51:53 * timelyx grumbles and goes to write a rant
Dec 21 01:51:58 <shackan> well, 1 really is the bare minimum
Dec 21 01:52:01 <shackan> text what?
Dec 21 01:52:09 <timelyx> that line Min...
Dec 21 01:52:51 <shackan> oh, right, I forgot not everyone replaces # with 'number' in his mind yet
Dec 21 01:53:20 <timelyx> so what does that mean?
Dec 21 01:53:37 <timelyx> please read it verbatim
Dec 21 01:53:49 <timelyx> don't tell me what about spirit/intent
Dec 21 01:53:54 <timelyx> i've used it, i know those
Dec 21 01:54:00 <shackan> that you can play either alone or in pair
Dec 21 01:54:06 <timelyx> good guess
Dec 21 01:54:16 <timelyx> if i told you, that you were wrong, what would you say?
Dec 21 01:54:34 <shackan> that they totallly screwed up the wording
Dec 21 01:54:44 <timelyx> good.
Dec 21 01:54:49 <timelyx> because it doesn't mean that
Dec 21 01:54:57 <timelyx> it means there's 1 person now, and you need 2
Dec 21 01:55:07 <timelyx> it's been sitting that way for 6+ hours
Dec 21 01:55:13 <halley> Credits Required (1/2)
Dec 21 01:55:17 <shackan> hahahahahaha
Dec 21 01:55:30 <shackan> awesome
Dec 21 01:56:12 <shackan> I would have liked some real games on the tablets tough :(
Dec 21 01:56:35 <shackan> majhong gets boring after a while
Dec 21 01:56:35 <halley> I'm gettin' there.
Dec 21 01:56:42 <shackan> where?
Dec 21 01:56:51 <halley> A real game library.
Dec 21 01:57:01 <shackan> 3d ?
Dec 21 01:57:15 <halley> 2.5d currently.
Dec 21 01:57:28 <timelyx> shackan: from Nokia?
Dec 21 01:57:30 <shackan> the problem is making a game with just four buttons
Dec 21 01:57:47 <halley> The library is python and supports full 3d but python is slow on arm.
Dec 21 01:57:47 <timelyx> might i suggest crazy parking and Nethack?
Dec 21 01:58:00 <timelyx> both are quite good
Dec 21 01:58:04 <shackan> timelyx: eww, nethack?
Dec 21 01:58:45 <shackan> isn't it that crazy text mode rpg for Real Uber Geeks ?
Dec 21 01:58:58 <timelyx> the version for tablets is gui
Dec 21 02:01:51 <timelyx> usr/share/locale/hr/LC_MESSAGES/tuxpaint.mo                 user/games/tuxpaint
Dec 21 02:01:52 * timelyx frowns
Dec 21 02:01:56 <timelyx> tuxpaint is a game?
Dec 21 02:02:04 <halley> Someone was in #pygame yesterday, very proud of their art effots in a weird military soccer isometric game.
Dec 21 02:03:09 <Screaming> Anyone notice that on the latest n800/810 image some very bright guy freed up the caps lock key on the vkbd...Smart move.
Dec 21 02:03:27 <shackan> really?
Dec 21 02:03:38 <shackan> I might really reflash
Dec 21 02:03:53 <timelyx> what's there instead?
Dec 21 02:04:02 <shackan> the beta
Dec 21 02:04:02 <Screaming> They could have put in the desparately  needed ctrl key.
Dec 21 02:04:12 <timelyx> presumably they did it to help people transition to the hardware keyboard
Dec 21 02:04:20 <timelyx> where caps is triggered by tapping shift twice
Dec 21 02:04:35 <shackan> does the backup tool save installed software too?
Dec 21 02:04:50 <timelyx> application manager can save debs to the internal mmc
Dec 21 02:05:01 <timelyx> backup saves the names of repositories and installed packages
Dec 21 02:05:18 <shackan> that's enough :D
Dec 21 02:05:21 <timelyx> but when you reflash, it defaults to not enabling some things, esp maemo-extras (?)
Dec 21 02:05:26 <Screaming> But instead they chose to use it for something you can get to with two clicks on the bbottom button...Not sso smart!
Dec 21 02:05:32 <timelyx> which means that if you try to restore immediately, things fail
Dec 21 02:05:52 <shackan> timelyx: but if I restore, doesn't it enable the old repositories again?
Dec 21 02:06:07 <timelyx> i think it explicitly doesn't enable maemo-extras
Dec 21 02:06:17 <timelyx> read marius's posts where he explains the behavior
Dec 21 02:06:37 <shackan> mm, ok, weird tho
Dec 21 02:07:11 <timelyx> we're noting it for that reason
Dec 21 02:07:27 <timelyx> although, i should really make sure it's noted in a bug instead of just blogs and irc :)
Dec 21 02:09:00 <Screaming> Oh well, I guess I will have to learn a second language so I can use the newly bi-lingual keyboard :o
Dec 21 02:09:01 <shackan> Nokia already planning PSP-style N-Gage handset, like an n800 with sane keys running symbian?
Dec 21 02:09:17 <shackan> ops, that should go in quotes
Dec 21 02:11:35 <timelyx> shackan: if nokia were doing such a thing, either they wouldn't tell us
Dec 21 02:11:39 <timelyx> or they'd tell us not to say
Dec 21 02:11:56 <fnordianslip> i hear you screaming. my thoughts exactly.
Dec 21 02:12:11 <timelyx> Screaming: spanish?
Dec 21 02:12:29 <shackan> timelyx: just reporting random rumors from teh intarweb, I know your policies
Dec 21 02:12:43 * timelyx doesn't like tar
Dec 21 02:12:59 <fnordianslip> i preferred capslock. at least i used it.
Dec 21 02:13:07 <Screaming> Yup. Hardly a bad idea since I live there ;-)
Dec 21 02:13:41 <crafton> fnordianslip : now, for capslock, i thinks it works with doble-tap
Dec 21 02:14:07 <crafton> doble-tap on 'Shift'
Dec 21 02:14:54 * timelyx ponders
Dec 21 02:14:55 <fnordianslip> i'm moaning about what it was replaced with
Dec 21 02:15:01 <timelyx> ari claims the n810 kept him awake
Dec 21 02:15:13 <fnordianslip> not that it's gone
Dec 21 02:15:14 <timelyx> fnordianslip: ctrl would have been much nicer, i wonder if it's hackable
Dec 21 02:15:24 <shackan> timelyx: singing?
Dec 21 02:15:24 <fnordianslip> yes indeedy
Dec 21 02:15:52 <crafton> well. in that case i prefer language switcher
Dec 21 02:16:00 * Screaming wonders if we can hijack that key .
Dec 21 02:16:14 <fnordianslip> hackability required then
Dec 21 02:16:37 <halley> With maemo-japanese-support, you get scim-anthy tied to the Chr key on hardware, instead of the lame symbol-finder.
Dec 21 02:16:56 <fnordianslip> was a post on itt askingg about decompiiling xml files
Dec 21 02:17:07 <fnordianslip> that seemed related
Dec 21 02:17:24 <timelyx> fnordianslip: the xml file spec was supposedly public
Dec 21 02:17:24 <Screaming> Its supposedly modifyable by some kind of xml file
Dec 21 02:17:42 <timelyx> i think you can even find a link to it in the logs for this channel
Dec 21 02:18:12 <fnordianslip> hmm
Dec 21 02:19:21 <macluvjay> upgraded to os2008 on n800 here and osso-xterm is now black on white
Dec 21 02:19:34 <timelyx> you can switch that
Dec 21 02:19:50 <macluvjay> how?
Dec 21 02:19:57 <penguinbait> magic
Dec 21 02:19:59 <timelyx> from memory, black on white was the default...
Dec 21 02:20:07 <Screaming> There is also a perl decompiler to get from the binary junk back  to to xml. May not work on this version tho.
Dec 21 02:20:11 <macluvjay> i made xdefaults but isnt effecting
Dec 21 02:20:12 <timelyx> tools>settings
Dec 21 02:20:29 <timelyx> why don't people look through the ui before resorting to evil hackery?
Dec 21 02:20:47 <macluvjay> damnit
Dec 21 02:20:49 <timelyx> ooh, cool
Dec 21 02:20:54 <macluvjay> thank you
Dec 21 02:20:58 <timelyx> you can reorder the toolbars
Dec 21 02:21:05 <timelyx> s/s$/ buttons/
Dec 21 02:21:09 <penguinbait> I can change the background but ont the text?
Dec 21 02:21:23 <timelyx> um
Dec 21 02:21:26 <timelyx> who owns xterm
Dec 21 02:21:33 <macluvjay> yeah it does seem that way
Dec 21 02:21:33 <penguinbait> perhaps I should upgrade off the stolen 810 os
Dec 21 02:21:43 <timelyx> in mine there are 2 color squares
Dec 21 02:21:45 <penguinbait> or perhaps not :)
Dec 21 02:21:48 <timelyx> a black one and a white one
Dec 21 02:22:37 <penguinbait> mine only has one,  but again stolen 810 os on 800? pre-beta
Dec 21 02:23:00 <timelyx> i'm using something from before the n810 os shipped the first time
Dec 21 02:23:16 <timelyx> it's missing translations for the dialog elements
Dec 21 02:23:20 <timelyx> :)
Dec 21 02:23:45 <penguinbait> yeah I suppose its getting to be time to upgrade
Dec 21 02:23:57 <timelyx> nah
Dec 21 02:24:08 <timelyx> upgrade when the repositories work :)
Dec 21 02:24:15 <penguinbait> KDE runs the same on either :)
Dec 21 02:25:04 <jga23> anybody else's gps on the n810 worse after the upgrade?
Dec 21 02:25:27 * timelyx wonders how jga23 defines worse
Dec 21 02:25:37 <jga23> take 20 mins instead of 15
Dec 21 02:25:55 <timelyx> heh
Dec 21 02:26:05 <timelyx> i'd suggest buying a real bt gps :)
Dec 21 02:26:27 <jga23> yeah, I have one...but it's annoying to have to carry it around
Dec 21 02:26:29 <macluvjay> penguinbait: I using the update from here https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=26&release_id=409
Dec 21 02:26:36 <macluvjay> only can change the bg
Dec 21 02:26:40 * timelyx grumbles
Dec 21 02:27:32 <timelyx> can someone test something for me?
Dec 21 02:27:33 <timelyx> load http://europe.nokia.com/phones/n800
Dec 21 02:27:47 <timelyx> click "Nokia wireless GPS Module LD-3w "
Dec 21 02:28:16 <fnordianslip> change the text colour on the fonts settings page
Dec 21 02:28:32 <timelyx> http://europe.nokia.com/link?cid=EDITORIAL_350700
Dec 21 02:28:35 <timelyx> is the gps i use
Dec 21 02:28:41 <timelyx> it's pretty good :)
Dec 21 02:28:47 <timelyx> </shameless-plug>
Dec 21 02:29:01 <timelyx> <disclaimer employer=nokia/>
Dec 21 02:29:19 <jga23> timelyx: how much?
Dec 21 02:29:22 <wolf08> timely, what about that site?
Dec 21 02:29:24 <timelyx> <product used-under=test-promotional-license/>
Dec 21 02:29:25 <macluvjay> dang, thanks fnordianslip
Dec 21 02:29:34 <fnordianslip> np
Dec 21 02:29:36 <timelyx> wolf08: do you get a product page?
Dec 21 02:29:47 <timelyx> jga23: dunno, it came in the box w/ my n81 :)
Dec 21 02:29:51 <shackan> timelyx: only a firefox geek could repeatedly speak in xml....
Dec 21 02:30:00 <wolf08> I get a "accessories" page
Dec 21 02:30:02 <jga23> timely: no product page, accessories page
Dec 21 02:30:05 <timelyx> the price i pay is 3 months of monitoring on my primary phone
Dec 21 02:30:10 <wolf08> that has the bluetooth headset.. oh.. haha
Dec 21 02:30:22 <timelyx> glad to see i'm not hallucinating
Dec 21 02:30:24 * timelyx sighs
Dec 21 02:30:24 <jga23> timelyx: what do you do for nokia?
Dec 21 02:30:28 <shackan> timelyx: I could use that, my phone is always silent anyway :D
Dec 21 02:30:31 <timelyx> i work on the browser
Dec 21 02:30:45 <wolf08> the webkit based one?
Dec 21 02:30:48 <wolf08> s60 browser?
Dec 21 02:30:49 * timelyx presumes shackan was hinting to that effect
Dec 21 02:30:59 <timelyx> no, the n800/n810 browser
Dec 21 02:31:04 <wolf08> cool
Dec 21 02:31:19 <jga23> microb or opera?
Dec 21 02:31:19 <macluvjay> is it mozilla or opera based?
Dec 21 02:31:20 <shackan> timelyx: yes I was
Dec 21 02:31:48 <macluvjay> mozilla it seems, but I hear talk of an opera one also
Dec 21 02:31:59 <timelyx> fwiw, i've played whack-a-mole on the n800/n810 product page before
Dec 21 02:32:16 <timelyx> sadly, ime most of the links went to error pages last time :(
Dec 21 02:32:21 <wolf08> I wonder if we could get a webkit based browser...
Dec 21 02:32:27 <timelyx> macluvjay: 2008 ships w/ a mozilla based engine
Dec 21 02:32:35 <macluvjay> ok
Dec 21 02:32:37 <timelyx> wolf08: the embedding api is open
Dec 21 02:32:44 <timelyx> you're free to do what you like
Dec 21 02:32:58 <wolf08> interesting...
Dec 21 02:33:05 <timelyx> i know someone looked and wasn't impressed by webkit
Dec 21 02:33:14 <wolf08> I wonder what the prospect of qt4.4 on maemo is
Dec 21 02:33:19 <timelyx> and yes, before mozilla, nokia shipped opera
Dec 21 02:33:25 <timelyx> wolf08: it doesn't make sense
Dec 21 02:33:29 <timelyx> maemo picked gtk
Dec 21 02:33:39 <wolf08> I do know that
Dec 21 02:33:41 * shackan cries
Dec 21 02:33:56 <timelyx> running qt4.4 on the kernel that runs on the device is certainly possible
Dec 21 02:34:01 <jga23> has anybody been able to download canola?
Dec 21 02:34:08 <timelyx> but you're better served by qtopia
Dec 21 02:34:10 <shackan> as I expected, boost isn't in the repos, this will be a LOOOOOONG night of sweat and blood...
Dec 21 02:34:13 <wolf08> Hmm, ok
Dec 21 02:34:30 <shackan> just like every time I try to build anything
Dec 21 02:34:53 <timelyx> jga23: i have install files for canola :) - no debs ;-)
Dec 21 02:35:43 <macluvjay> jga23: no canola2 for me either
Dec 21 02:36:09 <macluvjay> gets about 50% through dl and fails
Dec 21 02:36:16 <timelyx> hrm, repository is starting to be responsive
Dec 21 02:36:17 <jga23> same here
Dec 21 02:36:24 <|R> uhm, did anybody manage to get a sandisk 8GB microSD working on the 810 ?
Dec 21 02:38:02 <jga23> anybody play quake on the n810?
Dec 21 02:38:05 <|R> yep
Dec 21 02:38:15 <jga23> how is it?
Dec 21 02:38:24 <jga23> worth getting?
Dec 21 02:38:32 <|R> oh wait n810... that translated to n800+2008 ;)
Dec 21 02:38:40 <|R> but it's going to be the same...
Dec 21 02:38:45 <|R> so, well, i guess :)
Dec 21 02:38:45 <thoughtfix> Hello
Dec 21 02:38:48 <|R> hi
Dec 21 02:38:48 * thoughtfix wanders bak
Dec 21 02:38:49 <jga23> choppy at all?
Dec 21 02:38:59 <|R> jga23 : in 400x240 it's quite smooth
Dec 21 02:39:04 * thoughtfix wanders back
Dec 21 02:39:07 <|R> in 800x480 it's a bit choppy
Dec 21 02:39:17 <jga23> |R: thanks, I'll give it a shot
Dec 21 02:39:31 <|R> :)
Dec 21 02:39:44 * |R can't get canola2 from the repository...
Dec 21 02:40:10 <thoughtfix> I don't think anyone can
Dec 21 02:40:31 <thoughtfix> I have been hearing "broken canola repository" all day
Dec 21 02:40:43 <|R> hehe i know, i've been trying all day :P
Dec 21 02:40:49 <|R> but it's acting really weird
Dec 21 02:40:55 <macluvjay> thank you all i should spend more time im here
Dec 21 02:41:06 <thoughtfix> Gets a while at very slow speeds, then errors out saying it's corrupt?
Dec 21 02:41:20 <|R> size mismatch in apt-get
Dec 21 02:41:22 <timelyx> i'd suggest using wget
Dec 21 02:41:25 <|R> even with --fix-missing
Dec 21 02:41:38 <timelyx> it's able to resume from this server
Dec 21 02:41:47 <|R> good idea :)
Dec 21 02:41:57 <timelyx> but you'll have to get all the individual dependencies yourself
Dec 21 02:42:39 <|R> yeah, that 10 lines of dep ;)
Dec 21 02:42:59 <jga23> anybody gotten an irc client (xchat or whatever) to work on 2008?
Dec 21 02:43:08 * |R trying a last time... but i don't get why it keeps re-getting libeet0 etc as it should continue
Dec 21 02:43:50 <timelyx> http://timeless.justdave.net/repository/repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/chinook/free/e/eet/
Dec 21 02:43:52 <timelyx> that file i have
Dec 21 02:43:55 <timelyx> just grab it from there
Dec 21 02:44:25 <|R> jga23 : irssi?
Dec 21 02:45:02 <jga23> |R: never heard of that one...I'll try it
Dec 21 02:45:17 <|R> jga23 : it's console based though
Dec 21 02:45:30 <|R> jga23 : or else, just try irc in pidgin?
Dec 21 02:45:52 * |R ssh back home for irc though :)
Dec 21 02:46:27 <|R> timelyx : thanks, but it's not only eet0 that seems to be the problem... apt is acting weirdly :)
Dec 21 02:46:54 <timelyx> that's the only eet i have at this time
Dec 21 02:46:59 <|R> (and i had my n800/2008final reboot weirdly just running one microb and a terminal earlier...)
Dec 21 02:47:22 <|R> some out of memory reboot or something... 2008 does seem more memory hungry
Dec 21 02:47:26 <timelyx> http://timeless.justdave.net/repository/repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/3.0/install/libeet0.install
Dec 21 02:47:33 <magicrobotmonkey> is this the right place to ask if the on screen finger keyboard is supposed to be different then the onscreen stylus keyboard?
Dec 21 02:47:53 <|R> magicrobotmonkey : yes?
Dec 21 02:48:11 <|R> finger is supposed to be full screen
Dec 21 02:48:14 <magicrobotmonkey> ahh
Dec 21 02:48:26 <|R> http://www.mobilegazette.com/handsets/nokia/nokia-n810/nokia-n810-2.jpg
Dec 21 02:48:29 <|R> like the bottom image
Dec 21 02:48:30 <magicrobotmonkey> i have it checked off in the settings, but cant get it to come up for the life of me
Dec 21 02:48:42 <timelyx> use your thumb
Dec 21 02:48:45 <|R> try the middle button of the d-pad
Dec 21 02:48:48 <timelyx> spread pressure out across your thumb
Dec 21 02:49:04 <magicrobotmonkey> im on the n810
Dec 21 02:49:10 <timelyx> oh
Dec 21 02:49:11 <fnordianslip> xchat on n800 2008 here
Dec 21 02:49:17 <timelyx> you need to enable stylus input methods on the n810
Dec 21 02:49:22 <timelyx> at least, for some keyboards
Dec 21 02:49:27 <timelyx> otherwise, you don't get much :)
Dec 21 02:49:33 <magicrobotmonkey> oh it doesnt have the finger one onscreen at all?
Dec 21 02:50:02 <timelyx> they all exist
Dec 21 02:50:08 <timelyx> but some won't trigger by default
Dec 21 02:50:15 <magicrobotmonkey> hmm ok
Dec 21 02:50:16 * timelyx can't remember which
Dec 21 02:50:38 <magicrobotmonkey> so whats the deal with the big update?
Dec 21 02:50:58 <timelyx> yeah, settings>control panel>text input settings>
Dec 21 02:51:09 <magicrobotmonkey> right
Dec 21 02:51:17 <timelyx> on-screen>Enable stylus input methods: [x]
Dec 21 02:51:19 <timelyx> ok...
Dec 21 02:51:26 <magicrobotmonkey> if i uncheck stylus and check finger, i cant get a keyboard onscreen
Dec 21 02:51:34 <timelyx> w/o that, i can't get either keyboard
Dec 21 02:51:35 <magicrobotmonkey> with stylus checked i get the little one
Dec 21 02:51:40 <magicrobotmonkey> ahh
Dec 21 02:53:35 <magicrobotmonkey> no matter how much i fat finger it, i only ever get the stylus one
Dec 21 02:54:11 <|R> i had the same thing
Dec 21 02:54:18 <timelyx> Launch finger keyboard with finger tap: [x]
Dec 21 02:54:19 <|R> i just switched to clicking the middle d-pad
Dec 21 02:54:23 <timelyx> is that checked?
Dec 21 02:54:45 <|R> because even when it worked in 2007, it was a pain for it to recognize my (it seems not so) fat fingers :P
Dec 21 02:55:15 <magicrobotmonkey> yea got them both checked
Dec 21 02:56:07 <timelyx> hrm, now i can't get it to work either
Dec 21 02:56:45 <timelyx> i'll try to complain today(friday) in a few hours
Dec 21 02:57:44 <magicrobotmonkey> heh
Dec 21 02:57:59 <magicrobotmonkey> well i havent flashed to the newer version yet
Dec 21 02:58:00 <timelyx> keep in mind, some people take vacations
Dec 21 02:58:05 <skrylar_> Aww, I almost got excited there.
Dec 21 02:58:12 <timelyx> i'm using a pre release
Dec 21 02:58:15 <skrylar_> I got to the EULA screen and then the server went back to bogs :(
Dec 21 02:58:21 <timelyx> i think i probably had more success w/ newer versions
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