**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Dec 22 02:59:56 2007 Dec 22 03:00:56 :) Dec 22 03:01:17 :( Xmame runs slow Dec 22 03:01:31 trying out pacman Dec 22 03:03:14 doesn't start Dec 22 03:03:27 seems gizmo is tied to their sip servers? Dec 22 03:07:29 have there been any news on porting Java VM to the tablets? Dec 22 03:07:36 ds3: there's an option to log into another sip server Dec 22 03:07:53 I'm curious about this as I'd love it if this device could also let me log into Pogo so I can play anywhere I've got a connection Dec 22 03:09:35 it's not going to be a deal breaker for me though, was just wondering if it'd even be possible Dec 22 03:10:38 db48x: oh? the links I been finding says it doesn't allow it... nice Dec 22 03:11:16 there's a checkbox on the opening screen Dec 22 03:14:28 what I need to do is find a way to copy my cellphone Dec 22 03:14:38 's phone book to gizmo Dec 22 03:15:01 or even just into a portable format Dec 22 03:17:49 of course, the fact that my phone is more akin to an ancient artifact from a lost civilization than a modern phone is probably going to be my downfall Dec 22 03:21:35 <[pablo]_> db48x: pen and paper =) Dec 22 03:28:16 ok Dec 22 03:46:20 hi ppl Dec 22 03:46:57 any one had been able to install the final chinook? Dec 22 03:47:12 Yes. Dec 22 03:47:43 I'm having problems with the repositories Dec 22 03:48:09 last days, but now is going better Dec 22 03:48:57 but there's a bunch of debs that seems to be removed on the repo Dec 22 03:52:38 UPS, GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR! Dec 22 03:52:43 Sorry... Dec 22 03:52:53 WW Dec 22 03:54:07 there is a reason they are brown Dec 22 03:54:49 I'm getting this (http://pastebin.com/d63df839) during the apt-get install maemo-sdk-runtime Dec 22 03:56:18 any idea? please could someone send me a copy of this bunch of debs copied from their local cache? Dec 22 03:56:31 so no one knows about whether java applets could be possible? Dec 22 03:56:44 We need Java before we can get applets Dec 22 03:56:48 Of course it's possible Dec 22 03:56:56 But you need to hildonize Java first. Dec 22 03:57:15 how difficult is it to hildonize? Dec 22 03:57:40 My guess: if you have to ask, you wont be able to do it. ;) Dec 22 03:58:00 I'm curious since I'm thinking about picking up the N800, and I might try my hand at maybe porting some apps but lol, sounds like I'd better enjoy it and learn as much as I can then! Dec 22 03:58:26 I'd look into Ruby over Java Dec 22 03:59:28 to be honest, one reason I was interested in Java was mainly because of a gaming site, Pogo...but it'll come when it comes Dec 22 03:59:30 GAN800: could you send me the missing debians? Dec 22 03:59:42 Uh, why would I have them? :)p Dec 22 03:59:56 Wait a day or two for the repos to settle down. Dec 22 04:00:59 GAN800: ok, could you build a pair if packages for me? Dec 22 04:01:18 I don't have the SDK installed. Dec 22 04:03:55 thanks, GAN800...I have a feeling I'm going to enjoy this device regardless and I can't wait to hold it in my hands Dec 22 04:04:01 is someone in the channel having the final chinook SDK installed? Dec 22 04:06:52 I'll come later, see you Dec 22 05:01:05 anyone know how to get skype to ring the speakers when the heapones are plugged in Dec 22 05:01:12 i mean, when someone calls you Dec 22 05:01:53 maybe that feature is too useful -.- Dec 22 05:47:18 hello room, trying to flash a new n810 with updated os but can't seem to get past the following Dec 22 05:47:27 NOLO version 1.1.6 Dec 22 05:47:35 Version of 'sw-release': Dec 22 05:47:49 switched to static version of flasher but still no go Dec 22 05:47:54 any thoughts? Dec 22 05:48:02 I am running as root Dec 22 05:48:16 on an ubuntu gutsy install Dec 22 06:09:28 no code... Dec 22 06:10:52 i'm on mac, I can't update Dec 22 06:11:03 flasher for mac doesn't work Dec 22 06:11:05 help Dec 22 06:14:07 maemo should give up. Android will dominate. Maemo is the new Palm. DOA Dec 22 06:15:07 feeling kinda silly just missed the -F when I was typing... lame Dec 22 06:15:39 |tbb| says plugin the usb-cable - shutdown the device - push power button while pressing the home button then on linux box do -> ./flasher-3.0 -F RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R Dec 22 06:18:07 heh what a moron Dec 22 06:19:19 i was just reading 'omron introduces wimax antenna' Dec 22 06:19:46 it's all connected, man! Dec 22 06:20:26 * pupnik puts on theremin music Dec 22 06:24:18 6 Dec 22 06:37:54 ARRRGH! the really useful finger keyboard has been nerfed on OS2008, its really annoying Dec 22 06:40:52 that's odd Dec 22 06:40:58 'nerfed'? Dec 22 06:41:22 it used to come up when i touched the edit box with my finger Dec 22 06:41:48 now i have to hit once to get the normal keyboard up Dec 22 06:41:58 then double tap it again to get the finger keyboard Dec 22 06:42:05 how is that usable? Dec 22 06:43:18 am i using this wrong or something? Dec 22 06:44:50 duno Dec 22 06:45:10 for me, fingers contain too much risk of scratching screen Dec 22 06:45:28 cut your nails -.- Dec 22 06:45:31 i mean Dec 22 06:45:35 claws :p Dec 22 06:45:40 you can press the button int he center of the d-pad to switch to finger keyboard Dec 22 06:46:21 scratching screen? why aren't you using a screen protector? plus really the screen is so durable the stylus won't scratch it without a protector Dec 22 06:47:27 astro76: that seems to work with google, but not in skype Dec 22 06:47:48 i still have to finger the edit box and then hit square Dec 22 06:47:59 yeah that's what I meant Dec 22 06:48:34 but it used to be that you just fingered it once, it detected ur huge finger and it can up fingerboard Dec 22 06:48:46 indeed, and it was deliberately removed Dec 22 06:48:58 what? why downgrade that? it was brilliant Dec 22 06:50:06 finger detection was always touchy Dec 22 06:50:32 bah, they could have atleast left an option to turn it on Dec 22 06:50:36 I think for the same reason the menu went large size only Dec 22 06:50:45 i never had any problems with it -.- Dec 22 06:51:05 I always had a hard time bringing it up Dec 22 06:52:15 hope they make an option to turn it back on, i actually like it Dec 22 06:52:24 liked* it Dec 22 06:52:40 astro76: i have no protector, use no fingers, have no scratches -- the problem is dirt on fingers and dragging imo Dec 22 06:53:03 dragging with fingers is a pain Dec 22 06:53:05 you should use a protector, it's a finger/stylus based device Dec 22 06:53:31 770 doesn't need one imo Dec 22 06:53:39 if i had 800 i would have protector Dec 22 06:53:52 snak, did you vote on the bug? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2621 Dec 22 06:54:11 oh oh, i can vote on it? Dec 22 06:54:39 nice Dec 22 06:54:53 i better create an account :] Dec 22 06:55:04 Dec 21 - Oct 18 equals two months of waiting Dec 22 06:55:11 * pupnik not happy Dec 22 06:56:14 what are you waiting for? Dec 22 06:57:04 Night all. Dec 22 06:57:22 snak, bug confirmed by popular vote ;) Dec 22 07:01:16 =] Dec 22 07:02:42 thanks for the heads up astro Dec 22 07:10:34 <_z_> I could confirm that apt-get update messes my glibc Dec 22 07:11:25 heh like the good old debian days Dec 22 07:11:59 astro76: developer discount code Dec 22 07:13:38 is there something I need to do to install codec packs for the default media player so far not playing my H.264 files (inside .mov container) or mp4s Dec 22 07:13:46 so far this is all I've tested so far Dec 22 07:14:24 are there such things? Dec 22 07:16:29 * pupnik ponders soup Dec 22 07:18:56 <_z_> after all thinkering, netbsd port to 770 could solve all headaches Dec 22 07:20:15 _z_: you had the glibc problem on 770? this seems new Dec 22 07:21:17 <_z_> hm, every time after update of repositories Dec 22 07:21:35 <_z_> this morning also Dec 22 07:21:52 ty for the info. i updated early 2007, but normally i don't update Dec 22 07:21:57 only individual packages Dec 22 07:22:31 <_z_> I like to see the list and never add something Dec 22 07:22:49 oh sorry i confused update with upgrade Dec 22 07:23:04 <_z_> and wifi stopped to work this morning Dec 22 07:23:11 update should never change anything Dec 22 07:23:29 s/change/install Dec 22 07:23:29 <_z_> I had to shutdown -r explicitely Dec 22 07:24:04 <_z_> something triggers something Dec 22 07:24:33 <_z_> mgedmin thinks it is a ifi memory corruption Dec 22 07:24:46 <_z_> *wifi Dec 22 07:25:17 i am updating Dec 22 07:25:29 <_z_> I failed Dec 22 07:25:59 what error did you see? Dec 22 07:26:40 <_z_> not updated Dec 22 07:27:05 <_z_> non-free has no correct gz file Dec 22 07:27:18 <_z_> and some gpg Dec 22 07:27:43 <_z_> I don't really need it Dec 22 07:28:05 <_z_> a matter of concept; has to work Dec 22 07:30:45 <_z_> pupnik,have you updated list successfuly? Dec 22 07:30:56 yes besides the normal repo errors Dec 22 07:31:22 <_z_> my case is 'taken old list' Dec 22 07:31:49 <_z_> I see those missing also in app manager Dec 22 07:31:56 <_z_> hm Dec 22 07:32:51 <_z_> I hope n810 could work in console mode Dec 22 07:33:29 any mirrors for the futsed repositories? Dec 22 07:34:01 <_z_> are they in sync? Dec 22 07:34:02 maybe your status is corrupt Dec 22 07:34:11 <_z_> mine? Dec 22 07:34:32 _z_: cp /var/lib/status /home/user/statusbak && mv /var/lib/status-old /var/lib/status Dec 22 07:34:39 sorry Dec 22 07:34:41 <_z_> lemme c Dec 22 07:34:42 /var/lib/dpkg Dec 22 07:35:40 corrupt /var/lib/dpkg/status is not uncommon Dec 22 07:35:50 you can also edit it with vi Dec 22 07:36:48 <_z_> gregale Dec 22 07:37:01 <_z_> found in dpkg Dec 22 07:37:31 <_z_> low power now; have towait a little Dec 22 07:38:31 <_z_> and no status in /var/lib Dec 22 07:39:10 /var/lib/dpkg Dec 22 07:39:22 I MADE A MISTAKE Dec 22 07:39:32 <_z_> yes, dpkg Dec 22 07:39:40 <_z_> have it Dec 22 07:39:59 <_z_> the same size Dec 22 07:40:09 ah Dec 22 07:40:19 any way to set a WPA key from a terminal on a 770? Dec 22 07:40:49 <_z_> wpa-supplicant? Dec 22 07:41:21 <_z_> pupnik, what do you think I should do? Dec 22 07:42:56 i would vi status Dec 22 07:43:01 and check for garbage characters Dec 22 07:43:06 but not sure about what to do Dec 22 07:43:31 <_z_> looks fine Dec 22 07:44:24 are the repos working yet? Dec 22 07:45:36 <_z_> good question Dec 22 07:45:48 <_z_> manualy, ys Dec 22 07:46:10 <_z_> pupnik, 477 kb file looks correct Dec 22 07:46:25 but not with the application manager? Dec 22 07:46:30 <_z_> empty it? Dec 22 07:46:50 <_z_> ah, just problems Dec 22 07:47:18 It is not timing out like it was before, but it still tells me it could not refresh the list Dec 22 07:47:30 <_z_> yes Dec 22 07:47:43 <_z_> gpg is wrong Dec 22 07:47:57 <_z_> some gz corrupted Dec 22 07:49:03 <_z_> maemo guys are missing in the mist Dec 22 07:50:58 To flash bootloader, you have to supply the X-Loader image Dec 22 07:51:01 i'm getting this Dec 22 07:51:04 any ideas? Dec 22 07:55:53 <_z_> bbl Dec 22 07:58:01 this chat is useless. like maemo Dec 22 08:03:31 when Maemo dies you guys can get a job at Palm. Your probably good at working on obsolete poor quality technologies Dec 22 08:05:02 i have a mobile crane for rent Dec 22 08:05:13 if you need help getting that eiffel tower out of your anus Dec 22 08:06:46 how can I flash my 810 on mac. it fails Dec 22 08:07:27 like every other feature on this crappy 810 Dec 22 08:07:39 it fails because your n810 dont love you, because you call it crap. gadgets have feelings too Dec 22 08:13:41 sgehrman: Dec 22 08:13:44 ja Dec 22 08:13:57 ./flasher-3.0 -F RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R Dec 22 08:14:16 that's what I've been doing Dec 22 08:14:19 but I'm on mac Dec 22 08:14:21 run flasher first, then turn on nokia Dec 22 08:14:27 i did Dec 22 08:14:29 ok Dec 22 08:15:08 To flash bootloader, you have to supply the X-Loader image Dec 22 08:15:13 get that message Dec 22 08:15:16 then it quits Dec 22 08:15:46 i installed multi-boot loader from device Dec 22 08:16:01 it's more fun with multiple systems on the mmc Dec 22 08:16:34 maybe check itt forums, or describe problem on maemo-users Dec 22 08:26:36 has anyon here used Wizard Mounter? Dec 22 08:26:47 I can not seem to get it to mount my NFS share Dec 22 08:42:12 hi! Dec 22 08:42:28 moo GNUton Dec 22 08:42:51 greetz Dec 22 08:43:07 hey pupnik! :) Dec 22 08:50:25 anyone here have nfs-common working? Dec 22 08:55:48 anyone have nfs or samba mounting working? Dec 22 09:20:33 for me the 2008 sees my samba shares out-of-the-box Dec 22 09:27:21 good morning Dec 22 09:35:34 good morning Dec 22 09:36:08 kulve: unfortunately I am still using 2007HE on a 770 so... good to know thats out of the box in 2008 though Dec 22 09:38:45 I am following the directions at http://maemo.org/community/wiki/settingupnfs/#3aa70fb4ecdace0c1b0ceec114d4da54 but I can't load the modules Dec 22 09:39:01 I am getting an invalid module format error Dec 22 09:51:26 ah well, I guess I will come back when there are more people on Dec 22 09:57:18 Morning, all Dec 22 09:57:52 Hmm, a "Refresh application list" seemed to just work well. Maybe time for an upgrade Dec 22 09:58:51 hmph Dec 22 10:00:55 Can someone tell me how to leave my n800 when I'm not using it? Twice now, I've left the device with a decent amount of battery, only to come back 8'ish hours later and have it be completely dead. Dec 22 10:01:19 turn if off? Dec 22 10:01:28 I've been just doing 'lock screen and buttons'... Dec 22 10:01:45 im geussing it would still be connected wirelessly Dec 22 10:01:59 and radio stuff can be a right sucker for power Dec 22 10:02:14 Aye, So I guess it doesn't 'idle' as well as I thought. Dec 22 10:02:23 I thought it could idle for 5 days or somesuch. Dec 22 10:02:38 usually it will last for a couple days at least Dec 22 10:02:39 not while being online i reckon Dec 22 10:02:45 i havent had mine very ling Dec 22 10:02:56 do you think there might be something running in the bacground? Dec 22 10:03:01 snak: it should do Dec 22 10:03:03 johnx: while still connected to wireless? Dec 22 10:03:21 I easily get a day out of mine connected to wireless Dec 22 10:03:24 blithe: what extra software/customisations have you done? Dec 22 10:03:39 Nothing special, I had pidgin running earlier. Dec 22 10:03:47 The feed reader may have been open. Dec 22 10:03:49 but if I stay logged into it with sshd it will kill the whole battery in a couple hours even if the session is idle Dec 22 10:04:05 leaving pidgin connected would probably do it Dec 22 10:04:07 eek Dec 22 10:04:27 i havent done much batter tests yet and i havent been out much with it yet Dec 22 10:04:41 So best practices is to take it into offline mode then I'd suspect. Dec 22 10:05:00 or just sign out of anything holding open a connection Dec 22 10:05:20 but if you don't need it online then going to offline mode will definitely improve battery life Dec 22 10:05:48 or you could buy a nuclear battery pack Dec 22 10:05:58 Aight, good stuff to know. Dec 22 10:06:16 ive got one for my portable ps3 Dec 22 10:06:28 do you remember a couple years ago there was some talk about a radio-isotope battery pack for laptops? Dec 22 10:06:42 what happend with those? Dec 22 10:06:52 I don't think they ever got anywhere Dec 22 10:06:59 rats :( Dec 22 10:07:00 waaaaay too many potential issues Dec 22 10:07:22 I mean Li-Ion batteries are dangerous enough Dec 22 10:07:28 fuel cells look hard to use Dec 22 10:07:43 too fiddly Dec 22 10:07:57 Thanks for the advice guys. Still figuring out my device. Dec 22 10:08:00 Night! Dec 22 10:08:03 hmmm, maybe i could rig up a solar cell Dec 22 10:08:04 'night Dec 22 10:08:08 good night Dec 22 10:08:15 snak, it'd have to be pretty big Dec 22 10:08:20 i wonder how much power this uses Dec 22 10:08:37 I think someone did a test on the itt forums Dec 22 10:09:03 can't be more than a couple watts even when charging Dec 22 10:09:23 youre kidding? Dec 22 10:09:44 :o Dec 22 10:09:49 look at the charger Dec 22 10:09:53 thats 4W Dec 22 10:10:25 good call johnx Dec 22 10:10:39 :D Dec 22 10:10:49 i was looking all over the web for info and its right in front of me -.- Dec 22 10:11:36 couple good threads on itt: http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13053&highlight=power+watts and http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13387&highlight=power+watts Dec 22 10:13:53 someones done it already, BAH! ive been beatten to it -.- Dec 22 10:14:56 sorry to spoil it for you Dec 22 10:15:47 i might just make one of these Dec 22 10:19:09 I'm really glad to see portable solar power becoming more of a reality Dec 22 10:21:24 johnx, ? Dec 22 10:21:39 ha ok Dec 22 10:21:42 ;) Dec 22 10:21:58 sorry, referring to things I linked :P Dec 22 10:22:02 its brilliant, its the way it should be Dec 22 10:22:30 so, what's your interest in solar power? hiking/biking? or saving energy? Dec 22 10:23:02 how about a never ending battery life? =) Dec 22 10:23:31 that would sure be nice Dec 22 10:23:56 hiking and biking too Dec 22 10:24:36 solar cells have come along a bit Dec 22 10:24:48 figured i might try something Dec 22 10:25:20 anyways, I'm off for a bit Dec 22 10:25:23 'night all Dec 22 10:28:56 what is it with wives hating large loudspeakers Dec 22 10:29:56 "If it doesn't lead to marital strife, I'll leave them in place for a day or two and just listen." Dec 22 10:31:03 is there some way to get battery information while the device is on the charger (on os2008) Dec 22 10:31:51 what information do you want? Dec 22 10:33:04 snak: how much juice the battery has. e.g., the same information available when it's not on the charger Dec 22 10:34:34 ah -.- Dec 22 10:34:42 pull it out and take a look :p Dec 22 10:35:33 i think its normally 1500mAh Dec 22 10:35:41 snak: that's not exactly the answer i wanted to hear ;-P Dec 22 10:36:36 snak: erm, no, not how much the battery /could/ hold, but how much lifetime i could get out of the n800 if i unpluged now (without unplugging...) Dec 22 10:37:32 oh right Dec 22 10:37:34 repositories seems to download now but canola2 still says at packet is corrupted Dec 22 10:37:39 any tips? Dec 22 10:38:05 it varies so much though Dec 22 10:38:24 the time would never be accurate Dec 22 10:38:37 best bet to buy another batter for when that one dies ;) Dec 22 10:39:10 steri: funny that, ive been getting a few "packets missing" and such lately too Dec 22 10:39:46 could it have something to do with the topic -> "repository.maemo.org debs are broken"? Dec 22 10:40:27 but like I said :P now it atleast download that list from there before it didn't even do that Dec 22 10:41:18 dunno. im a total newb Dec 22 10:41:19 snak: no, we're still talking about different things. i only want to know whether my battery is nearly empty or half full or nearly completely loaded, without having to take it out of the charger to get the estimate. i just want the estimate /while/ on the charger Dec 22 10:41:43 crikey Dec 22 10:42:09 battery physics tells me you dont know how much is in a battery, ever, but you can tell when its about full ;) Dec 22 10:42:57 i highly doubt it Dec 22 10:43:22 and even if you do get one, it'll be a estimate with a large margin for error Dec 22 10:46:17 snak: well, the device does show one when it's off the charger. i just want the same estimate when it's on the charger Dec 22 10:46:35 take it off the charger =) Dec 22 10:46:53 it can only tell you if it knows how much power its currently using Dec 22 10:47:22 i know, im not being very helpful -.- Dec 22 10:47:38 it could remember that from the previous times off the charger Dec 22 10:48:28 anyway, i'd be happy with some information like "nearly empty" / "about half full" / "nearly full" / "full" Dec 22 10:49:48 i cant see from a hardware perspective how that'd even be possible Dec 22 10:50:47 is there any rar/zip program for internet tables? Dec 22 10:51:06 yes Dec 22 10:51:29 ^^ Dec 22 10:51:39 i would imagine both rar and zip work just fine Dec 22 10:51:57 ^_^ Dec 22 10:52:02 some guy on a forum is pissed at his touch and looking for alternatives that can actually download stuff xD and unzip Dec 22 10:54:32 snak: my laptop's battery remembers how much mAh i put in and take out and can guess how much can fit in and count how much should be in there right now Dec 22 10:54:47 Cptnodegard: do you have the link? Dec 22 10:55:15 to the forum? its in norwegian Dec 22 10:55:41 Oh, can ask google to translate? Dec 22 10:55:54 youam: nice, its doable, but considoring the size of the N800, i still doubt it Dec 22 10:56:06 Damn. Seems the repositories are still broken, despite App Mgr refreshing properly before the upgrade. I wonder if it's a problem specific to this version of OS2008 - that'd explain the Canola problems as well. Dec 22 10:57:07 fell free to correct me if im wrong there Dec 22 10:57:25 but you'd have to measure and count the current in and from the battery Dec 22 10:57:43 snak: i'm not sure. something like "i was at 10% battery when i got plugged in, last full charge took 2 hours, now i'm on for 45 minutes" should give a good enough estimate, even when the charge is not linear Dec 22 10:57:54 Jaffa: unfortunately not as I am having the same issue with 2007 Dec 22 10:58:01 thefool: damn Dec 22 10:58:34 MikeL: http://www.diskusjon.no/index.php?showtopic=826145&view=findpost&p=10168109 Dec 22 10:58:40 from trying things manually it seems some of their keys are now different Dec 22 10:59:22 Cptnodegard: Thanks :-) Dec 22 10:59:24 snak: anyhow, i wanted to know if there was some way to look at the current status of the battery. apparently there is not, and we're only arguing how one could implement it the best way technically... Dec 22 10:59:29 ^^ Dec 22 10:59:54 youam: well, irc is for geeks, and arguements Dec 22 11:00:09 snak: right :) Dec 22 11:00:11 and typos -.- Dec 22 11:01:05 i could proove it Dec 22 11:01:10 no one makres typos on irc... Dec 22 11:01:14 hand up here who isnt a geek Dec 22 11:01:24 hands* Dec 22 11:01:36 ahh, see? Dec 22 11:01:50 * thefool raises his hand just to tick off snak Dec 22 11:02:07 grr :( Dec 22 11:03:20 I just found out that the default media player can play things off my bluetooth phone without "downloading" them. Dec 22 11:03:27 neat Dec 22 11:03:34 I wish I could get canola to do that Dec 22 11:03:59 my phone has 2gb and my 770 has 64mb so thats really useful for me Dec 22 11:04:13 hoping for a mmc for christmas Dec 22 11:10:09 is anyone successful with repository.maemo.org? Dec 22 11:10:56 I tried many akamai IP but they all return an HTML error page for Packages.gz Dec 22 11:11:32 could someone run "host repository.maemo.org" and give me the resulting IP? thx Dec 22 11:12:36 a515.g.akamai.net has address 212.23.59.7 Dec 22 11:12:37 a515.g.akamai.net has address 212.23.59.16 Dec 22 11:12:54 repositories are working fine for me BUT packages are broken :( Dec 22 11:13:02 195.58.96.158 and 195.58.96.151 for .fi Dec 22 11:13:26 ? Dec 22 11:13:36 mirror? Dec 22 11:13:43 is what you get when you do "host" in .fi Dec 22 11:14:05 I got that with sonera :P Dec 22 11:14:30 i guess it's not geo based stuff then afterall, just random IPs from pool Dec 22 11:15:11 steri, thx the .16 worked for me Dec 22 11:17:07 tontsa, 195.58 seems in the same broken state than what I tried Dec 22 11:18:11 It's ridiculously shonky. Dec 22 11:18:15 well i'm not surprised.. it's utfors/telenor network :) Dec 22 11:18:25 guerby: what was your bug number again? Could do with publicising on p.m.o Dec 22 11:20:12 Jaffa I opened a new one since the image stuff is said to be fixed: Dec 22 11:20:15 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2635 Dec 22 11:21:01 is there a way to run s60 apps on the n800 does anyone know? i am a newbie to my n800 Dec 22 11:23:03 a515.g.akamai.net 84.45.224.16 Dec 22 11:23:12 don't think there's any working s60 emulator Dec 22 11:23:57 cheers thanks Dec 22 11:24:14 i was looking to get route66 for my s60 working on the n800 Dec 22 11:24:28 say, you know the "application manager", is repository where it gets all the programs from? Dec 22 11:25:06 you mean the default repos? Dec 22 11:25:36 huh? Dec 22 11:26:05 yeah i guess we are writing diffrent dialects of english and they are incompatible :) Dec 22 11:26:45 im running it through google translate now, but i cant find my native tongue "noob speak" Dec 22 11:27:35 the n800 "application manager", when i get a program off it, does it download it from repository.maemo.org? Dec 22 11:27:44 im curious Dec 22 11:27:44 i wish you all good day Dec 22 11:27:47 snak, no Dec 22 11:28:04 errr, where does it come from then? Dec 22 11:28:05 the pristine n800 gets stuff from http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/ Dec 22 11:28:08 the quantum void? Dec 22 11:28:17 there's certified, non-certified and updates/chinook Dec 22 11:29:38 Can someone help me confirm a Canola 2 bug? Dec 22 11:30:43 tontsa: ummm, that directory structure is sooo fucked up Dec 22 11:31:02 I want to confirm something before I write up a bug report Dec 22 11:31:22 try it, and if it doesnt work, report it? =] Dec 22 11:31:41 can anyone recommend gps software for n800? Dec 22 11:32:01 I want to make sure the behaviour is consistent on another unit Dec 22 11:32:11 Freefood, try maemo-mapper. if not happy with that then buy the wayfinder software Dec 22 11:32:21 there's no others i think.. besides the "map" included Dec 22 11:32:40 easy, getting put on the CIA terrorist suspect list and use the bug they planted on you to get your location Dec 22 11:33:07 i really should keep my mouth shut Dec 22 11:33:25 If I have several podcast feeds and I am listening to one of them while I add a new feed, the playing feed stops and that item is no longer playable Dec 22 11:33:27 hi, does anyone here have some experience with nokia n810 in a role of a reading device? Dec 22 11:33:32 Rocketman: send me the freaking packet so I can test it :D Dec 22 11:33:32 Rocketman: Whats your bug Dec 22 11:33:43 Bastich, whacha wanna know? Dec 22 11:33:47 OH see it Dec 22 11:34:23 I can delete the affected item and redownload, but it will still not play when clicked Dec 22 11:34:46 i'm considering buying a pda, mostly for reading e-books and i wanted ipaq 210 before but today i found out about nokia n810 so i can't decide now Dec 22 11:34:54 If I use the ff/rw buttons to get to it, it will play Dec 22 11:35:10 Rocketman: For info here are bugs already added for Canola2 tracker https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/?func=browse&group_id=125&atid=1989 Dec 22 11:35:11 Bastich, if you are going just for ebook reading then get n800 instead. you don't need the keyboard for that Dec 22 11:35:32 I tried restarting and my list of feeds vanished Dec 22 11:35:52 so it appears to corrupt the feed list somehow Dec 22 11:35:53 Ok geeks, for 5 points, what are mistral, bora and chinook? Dec 22 11:35:55 the price is not so much of a matter here and keyboard always comes in handy Dec 22 11:35:57 Rocketman: Not tried podcasts yet myself so cannot comment Dec 22 11:36:14 no time like the present Dec 22 11:36:26 snak, chinook is codename for current 2008. bora was i think beta-os2008 and no idea about mistral Dec 22 11:36:29 could be 2007 Dec 22 11:36:38 i was just concerned about the platform, can you get a decent e-reader for maemo? Dec 22 11:36:42 Bastich, what tontsa said .. although I will add. eBooks, PDFs, etc work VERY well on the tablets. Unfortunately you MAY find that the screen is too small to be comfortable. You will have to zoom into the page, and unfortunateyl that means it doesn't fit properly on the screen. Dec 22 11:36:51 Bastich, FBReader is pretty good Dec 22 11:36:56 tontsa: correct. 5 points Dec 22 11:37:05 Bastich, default PDF reader is great. FBReader is great. eVince is great. Dec 22 11:37:14 Rocketman: There are already bugs included for podcasts at link I provided Dec 22 11:37:21 notice how i clevery disguised my own ignorance there =) Dec 22 11:37:23 kk Dec 22 11:37:29 do they read pdbs as well? Dec 22 11:37:48 Rocketman: Perhaps one is similar Dec 22 11:37:51 you can install ghostscript afaik so pdbs should be readable. Dec 22 11:38:04 pdb's from palm? Dec 22 11:38:12 but no ready to use app? Dec 22 11:38:30 check fbreader and those others Dec 22 11:38:31 ahh the palm stuff...hmm, I thought fbreaderdid that? Dec 22 11:38:35 There is Garnett, a Palm VM for the NITs Dec 22 11:38:43 yeah Dec 22 11:38:57 so.. they're readable, one way or another Dec 22 11:39:02 or just convert.. Dec 22 11:39:05 well i thought pdb format was designed for this purpose, to read it on pda devices, wasn't it? Dec 22 11:39:38 it's no better than having txt files on linux really Dec 22 11:39:45 * yabbas|compilin nods Dec 22 11:39:55 or html files :) Dec 22 11:40:07 i prefer txt ebooks :) Dec 22 11:40:12 Bastich, think of the NITs as being a desktop Linux box that happens to fit in your pocket Dec 22 11:40:56 i'm not much of a linux user to be honest, i always had much respect for it, but all that configuration and stuff Dec 22 11:42:28 oh cry :( I want that canolaw now it still whines about corrupted files Dec 22 11:43:12 canola2 Dec 22 11:44:45 checked and FBReader supports the Palm Aportis Doc format Dec 22 11:46:13 No N810 then :( Dec 22 11:47:34 huh, alterego? Dec 22 11:50:01 does n800 do wpa2? Dec 22 11:50:37 can the displayed content on N810 be flipped to vertical position? Dec 22 11:51:16 rotate your hand 90 degrees to whatever you preference Dec 22 11:51:28 good god snak, shut up Dec 22 11:52:30 and it turns automatically? Dec 22 11:52:33 Rocketman, haven't had an email saying I can order yet. Dec 22 11:53:29 no, im being a sarcastic bugger/asshole - and i have been all morning. I'm actually trying to be a good boy and stay quiet Dec 22 11:53:49 Not doing a very good job of it :P Dec 22 11:53:58 my thaughts exactly Dec 22 11:55:34 Bastich: nope, but fbreader for example can rotate it iirc Dec 22 11:56:06 I don't think the hardware (accelerators) are there to do automatic rotation Dec 22 11:56:17 Hahah, what? Dec 22 11:56:29 The kernel can do rotation. Dec 22 11:56:33 ok, so can it be done manually? Dec 22 11:56:48 It doesn't require any extra graphics processing power, not really. Dec 22 11:57:11 It's not possible right now because hildon doesn't work in that orientation. Dec 22 11:58:38 alterego: is it possible to use the X11 rotate function? Dec 22 11:59:27 no Dec 22 11:59:37 k Dec 22 12:00:25 and viewing anything serious at 480 pixels wide is of questionable value Dec 22 12:01:32 and what's your opinion about the processor, it's supposed to have a 400 Mhz proc, but some of the new pdas coming on the market have 624 mhz processors, don't you think its a little drawback for nokia 810? Dec 22 12:01:57 Bastich, have you used an N810 or an N800? Dec 22 12:02:14 nope, never, that's why i'm so fricking curious now Dec 22 12:02:30 We don't need those extra ticks :P Dec 22 12:02:33 It works fine as is. Dec 22 12:02:47 Maybe the next iteration will have a faster CPU .. Dec 22 12:03:12 by that you mean that linux kernel on 400 mhz is more efficient than windows mobile on 624 mhz machine? Dec 22 12:03:31 No, I'm saying why compare them if you're happy with how it operates? Dec 22 12:03:58 There's no point in being obsessive over clock ticks. If the system runs fine on the hardware it's on then why does it matter? Dec 22 12:04:34 more rpm, better sound Dec 22 12:04:37 right!?1 Dec 22 12:06:19 yes, that's my point, i don't insist on those extra ticks, all i want is good operation Dec 22 12:07:19 i haven't had any performance problems yet on n810, everything is very snappy Dec 22 12:07:31 good for you Dec 22 12:12:25 gosh, i can't decide now, can't ya swing me to one side or other? :) which one is it gonna be, ipaq, nokia, ipaq, nokia? hell, now i know what ambivalence means Dec 22 12:13:05 it really depends if you like windows mobile or not Dec 22 12:13:07 Bastich: the n800 is a great deal Dec 22 12:13:23 I have one for 3 weeks now and Im happier than I though I would be Dec 22 12:13:40 i personally can't stand windows mobile.. but that's mostly due to it not having good ssh-client that would do copy-paste between other apps Dec 22 12:14:00 (i have one HTC unit with WM6) Dec 22 12:14:28 I want to see the new HTC with android next year Dec 22 12:14:40 I want to see how java behaves speed wise Dec 22 12:14:56 what i read it's not java in traditional sense Dec 22 12:15:14 that you need to somehow convert your java bytecode to the android's thingie Dec 22 12:15:28 tontsa: it has its own interpreter yeah Dec 22 12:15:32 that's my problem, this is gonna be my first pda, so i have no experience with either, wm or maemo, i'm still unbiased Dec 22 12:16:01 Bastich: the n800 is great, specially because of the graphic resolution Dec 22 12:16:01 Bastich, if your country has concept of mail order that you can return item in 14 days or something Dec 22 12:16:08 then order both that way and return the other :) Dec 22 12:16:31 I showed to some people and they were really amazed when showing video or pictures Dec 22 12:16:44 they had "the look" in their eyes Dec 22 12:16:55 that's a good idea, it's a shame that there's no other way how to lay yer hands on them before you purchase em Dec 22 12:16:56 "the look" = why this motherfucker has one and I dont? Dec 22 12:18:45 i understand, i'm hungry for such device for too long now, all i'm doing now is thinking what new software i'm gonna stuff in, no matter i don't own one yet Dec 22 12:19:33 i guess there's more open source software for maemo than there's for WM, am i right? Dec 22 12:19:51 No Dec 22 12:20:12 There's a lot more software for Windows Mobile than Maemo. Dec 22 12:20:39 yes, but most of it is proprietary, isn't it Dec 22 12:21:08 of course Dec 22 12:21:20 Probably, I don't really know much about Windows Mobile. The idea of it makes my stomach turn :P Dec 22 12:21:51 and you maemo guys are living the free software concept Dec 22 12:22:01 Most of us did already ;) Dec 22 12:22:15 I bought a tablet because I love using Linux. Dec 22 12:22:36 i baught the tablet cause i like the idea of handheld wireless internet Dec 22 12:22:41 tablet is like notebook but with touch screen? Dec 22 12:23:09 Bastich: havent you got one? Dec 22 12:23:21 Not really, it's something new. Dec 22 12:23:24 nope Dec 22 12:23:28 It's not a PDA, and it's not a notebook. Dec 22 12:23:34 umpc then? Dec 22 12:23:39 It's something new and different :) Dec 22 12:23:48 wow, how did someone without a 770, n800 or n810 end up in #maemo -.- Dec 22 12:24:10 can you pass me a link to smt like that? Dec 22 12:24:22 its basically a touchscreen pc Dec 22 12:24:23 or just name one, i look it up meself Dec 22 12:24:42 hello! Dec 22 12:24:46 it does everything a pc does Dec 22 12:24:48 that's what i thought Dec 22 12:24:49 does someone else get corrupted packages from maemo repos? Dec 22 12:24:53 and it even looks like it Dec 22 12:24:54 anyone who knows how to gain root access on OS2008? Dec 22 12:25:12 give it to the russians for 10 seconds Dec 22 12:25:31 hehe Dec 22 12:25:36 you just turn and flip the screen on top of the keyboard and navigate with stylus, is that it? Dec 22 12:25:39 Okko: me Dec 22 12:25:50 chile becomeroot Dec 22 12:25:57 chille: becomeroot Dec 22 12:26:02 Bastich: N800 is better than fiddly keyboard N810 Dec 22 12:26:09 and its cheaper too ;) Dec 22 12:26:15 you sure? Dec 22 12:26:20 No, Dec 22 12:26:27 He doesn't have an N810 and can't comment. Dec 22 12:26:32 but doesn't n810 look neater? Dec 22 12:26:36 Bastich: yes, I think N800 is a great deal now Dec 22 12:26:42 hugolp: so i just type that in console and get root? no need for RD-mode or something like that? Dec 22 12:26:45 does everything N810 does and coust less Dec 22 12:27:01 chille, it's a package, not a command. Dec 22 12:27:03 chille: you need to isntall becomeroot Dec 22 12:27:08 ah, well, okay Dec 22 12:27:10 chille: at least on OS2007 the easiest way was to install ssh server and do it with ssh Dec 22 12:27:19 chille: yoll find it in some of this repositories http://www.gronmayer.com/it/ Dec 22 12:27:31 Okko: but i cant login on root account on ssh, i don't have the password Dec 22 12:27:36 alterego is right, i dont have one, so i cant comment Dec 22 12:28:14 yes and also has a bigger display, that' what i really care for, i'lll give it a thougt Dec 22 12:28:31 The N810 is a better machine in my opinion. But the price difference is quite a bit. So if you've got the extra and it's not going to hurt the bank then go for the N810. But the N800 is a great deal. Dec 22 12:28:36 Bastich: N800 and N810 has the same display Dec 22 12:29:02 alterego: the N810 only can handle one memory card Dec 22 12:29:05 N800 two Dec 22 12:29:09 nope, 800 has 4.2 while 810 has 4.13 Dec 22 12:29:10 just because a product has an incremental model number doesnt make it better Dec 22 12:29:25 build in GPS are allways bad Dec 22 12:29:37 ati drivers are proof of that Dec 22 12:29:38 so you clearly see the difference of 0.7 inch Dec 22 12:29:40 hi Dec 22 12:29:50 chille: the latest openssh should ask for a root password to set when you install it. haven't tried it yet though. Dec 22 12:30:00 alterego: still no news about a new release of ruby ? :) Dec 22 12:30:01 plus I dont like small keyboards (like the n810 one) but thats just personal Dec 22 12:30:04 0.07 Dec 22 12:30:04 If n810 would be with 2 sd lots then it would have been a clear winner Dec 22 12:30:17 Khertan, I've been busy with _real_ work :/ Dec 22 12:30:30 s/_real_/"real"/ ;) Dec 22 12:30:33 alterego: no prob ... it s just in case :) Dec 22 12:30:36 chille: the password on OS2007 for root was "rootme" Dec 22 12:30:46 hugolp: whats that website you posted? Dec 22 12:30:55 it looks like maemo but isnt Dec 22 12:30:55 as i still can't install nothing ... i dev :) Dec 22 12:31:00 and i'm also concerned that the keyboard might just break off the rest of the device, that's what happended to a friend of mine with her nokia phone Dec 22 12:31:02 Okko: yeah, but the OS2007 password dosn't work on OS2008, and openssh dosn't ask for a password :( Dec 22 12:31:29 chille, just install the becomeroot package and then in xterm: sudo gainroot. then change root password Dec 22 12:31:36 Okko: i have also tried the tools for the OS2007 image to enable RD mode, but the OS2008 image looks different Dec 22 12:31:36 snak: its a page with repositories (and the packages of each one) for maemo devices Dec 22 12:31:49 tontsa: yeah, i'm working on it :-) Dec 22 12:31:51 obviously not all of those repositories are Nokia owned Dec 22 12:31:58 how is it different from maemo.org, it looks the ame Dec 22 12:32:22 snak: its just a page with repositories and the packages they have Dec 22 12:32:28 maemo.org doesnt have such a list Dec 22 12:32:31 whats the deal? Dec 22 12:32:54 snak just seems to be on turbo-troll mode Dec 22 12:33:16 ok Dec 22 12:33:32 http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008 Dec 22 12:33:32 just wake up and my troll radar is still off Dec 22 12:33:32 ...... Dec 22 12:33:33 oh come on im not trolling Dec 22 12:33:37 im learning about my new n800 Dec 22 12:33:53 http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008 Dec 22 12:33:55 aargh Dec 22 12:34:00 its just i thaught, if i want something, i go there Dec 22 12:34:12 and hugolp goes and posts an equally good website Dec 22 12:34:31 gronmayer.com features lots of "3rd party" repositories as well Dec 22 12:34:41 the maemo.org has just stuff from *.maemo.org repos Dec 22 12:34:43 snak: both websites are good, in maemo.org/downloads youll find more about whole programs and aplications Dec 22 12:35:03 int gronmayer.com youll find little packages you may need and they are hard to find otherwise Dec 22 12:35:20 (as well as the others) Dec 22 12:35:21 "If the software is not obtained from Nokia, Nokia is unable to guarantee that the software will not harm your device" Dec 22 12:35:27 great - bookmarked Dec 22 12:35:34 Uh, do they guarantee that with Nokia software then? Dec 22 12:35:45 Okko: dont think so Dec 22 12:35:54 software is never guaranteed Dec 22 12:36:00 i thaught maemo website was all 3rd party anyway Dec 22 12:36:10 exactly, so that warning is completely useless Dec 22 12:36:31 chille: I just flashed my N800 to OS2008 and am now installing the package "openssh". It asks me to set new root password. Dec 22 12:36:36 so, how come theres 2 places for the same thing O.o Dec 22 12:36:41 chille: are you sure you are installing openssh and not the bear-ssh Dec 22 12:36:49 (stupid maemo repository) Dec 22 12:36:52 lol Dec 22 12:37:01 well, now i have installed the becomeroot package, what the next step? Dec 22 12:37:07 xterm Dec 22 12:37:10 sudo gainroot Dec 22 12:37:25 chille: open the console and type sudo gainroot Dec 22 12:37:59 any other repositories i should know about? Dec 22 12:38:13 Okko: yes, application manager says openssh, openssh-client & openssh-server and i dont got dropbear in my list Dec 22 12:38:15 There's a list of repositories in the maemo wiki Dec 22 12:38:25 hugolp: and what do i type when it asks for a root password? Dec 22 12:38:27 openssh is better. Dec 22 12:38:36 chille: it shouldnt Dec 22 12:38:37 there seems to be diffrent openssh-packages in diffrent repos Dec 22 12:38:39 chille: then your device works differently from mine, mine asked and is now installing Dec 22 12:38:41 hugolp: it does Dec 22 12:38:46 i managed to install one that doesn't ask for root password Dec 22 12:38:48 Okko: okay ;o Dec 22 12:39:23 I only have the default repos since the backup restore didn't restore the old ones.. Dec 22 12:39:23 hmm.. i can try reinstalling openssh Dec 22 12:40:19 * mardi_ wonders if anyone installed Canola on 2008? Dec 22 12:40:21 do i just have to install openssh, or do i need openssh-client openssh-server? Dec 22 12:40:39 depends on your needs Dec 22 12:40:44 i've got one quite provocative question, don't give me a kick for that, no offence but is it possible to install WM on nokia 800? Dec 22 12:40:55 bastich, nope Dec 22 12:40:57 i need both and server and client, so i guess openssh is the choice :-) Dec 22 12:41:11 i just wondering if i need to install the server/client in any specific order Dec 22 12:41:13 Bastich: why would you do that? Dec 22 12:41:16 bastich, unless you get system developer status from microsoft and buy oem/etc. licenses Dec 22 12:41:33 and that just costs few hundred thousand Dec 22 12:41:52 money's not a problem :)) Dec 22 12:42:02 Bastich: then invest on me Dec 22 12:42:13 you think you're worth it? :) Dec 22 12:42:45 okay, so now i installed openssh, the only message i get after the nokia-crap-warning is "openssh sucessfully installed" :( Dec 22 12:43:06 Bastich: yes Dec 22 12:43:10 chille, try disabling repos other than that has *.maemo.org or tableteer Dec 22 12:43:17 Bastich: i think you just commited blashpemy in the worst possible place to do it Dec 22 12:43:19 i was just worried about the software coverage Dec 22 12:43:22 also uninstall the openssh packages before that Dec 22 12:43:25 * sp3000 does't see the :( in successfully installed Dec 22 12:43:35 tontsa: okay Dec 22 12:43:38 funny license terms they have for mnotify Dec 22 12:43:39 whatcha mean, snak? Dec 22 12:43:53 install WM instead xD Dec 22 12:43:56 "USE OF THIS PRODUCT IN ANY MANNER THAT COMPLIES WITH THE MPEG-4 VISUAL STANDARD IS PROHIBITED" Dec 22 12:44:07 lol, can't use mail notify app for that Dec 22 12:44:58 Bastich, Windows Mobile is crap. Dec 22 12:45:04 don't even think of mentionning ogg/vorbis/theora :-) Dec 22 12:45:06 It's not a full OS like maemo is .. Dec 22 12:45:15 i know, i humbly apologize for that, long live linux or gnu or whatever Dec 22 12:45:17 bastich, if you want to install both windows and linux, just get those Asus EeePCs Dec 22 12:45:25 they have linux in the bios-flash Dec 22 12:45:50 lol Bastich, no ones slapping or pointing a rifle at you - no need for clutish fanatisism =] Dec 22 12:45:53 what version of openssh shall i use? i got 1:4.6p1-5.maemo3 Dec 22 12:45:59 cultish* Dec 22 12:46:04 all i want is some realiable e-reading, web browsing device with good software coverage Dec 22 12:46:17 You can't really compare Windows Mobile to Maemo as they're very different. Windows Mobile is a PDA OS. Maemo is a full blown OS stack. Dec 22 12:46:17 N800 with OS2008 has that Dec 22 12:46:19 And more. Dec 22 12:46:21 chille, that's the latest in *.maemo org. updated 20.12 Dec 22 12:46:25 i have that and its great Dec 22 12:46:40 tontsa: okay Dec 22 12:46:45 Bastich, you keep mentioning "Software coverage" but you don't elaborate. Dec 22 12:46:50 so good, that i decided to some on here and try and figure out how to make my own programs Dec 22 12:46:59 come* Dec 22 12:47:10 ruby-maemo ftw! Dec 22 12:47:14 and thats saying something Dec 22 12:47:18 any tips/pointers to how I get Canola to install on N800/2008, even when Repos respond I get to ~2/3rds of install and fails with "corrupted" Dec 22 12:47:36 mardi_: wait until maemo/nokia fixes their repos Dec 22 12:47:57 ruby-maemo Dec 22 12:48:52 i normally program in C or C++ Dec 22 12:49:01 Okko: I hope somebody is working before next next wednesday :) Dec 22 12:49:14 VRe: me too Dec 22 12:49:26 ruby-maemo is > than C++ Dec 22 12:49:27 uh, yes, my mistake, you know, i'm a lil bit medically oriented, so i planned to use some medical utilities and software for looking up medical infos, like database of drugs and diagnoses and stuff like that Dec 22 12:49:32 More productive .. Dec 22 12:49:39 VRe: they do list team members on the user site, maybe we could call them :-) Dec 22 12:50:01 but those are only for pdas and wm Dec 22 12:50:10 Thanks Okko Dec 22 12:50:28 Bastich: You can run palm programs quite well in emulator Dec 22 12:50:57 but palm and pda is not the same, is it Dec 22 12:51:01 mardi_: you could try to grab all the necessary packages (libs) from other sources but it would probably take all xmas Dec 22 12:51:01 alterego: i dont know ruby and im not really inspired to learn it Dec 22 12:51:19 Bastich: yeah, but there is a lot of that stuff for palm Dec 22 12:51:38 besides, i dont know anyting about linux, thats probably a better place to start Dec 22 12:52:05 but what if palm will be obsolete in a coupla years, what then, there will be just apps for the hated WM ;) Dec 22 12:52:22 mardi_: http://blog.locationist.net/2007/12/21/something-fishy-going-on/ Dec 22 12:52:24 mardi_: from maemo news Dec 22 12:52:33 Bastich: in a couple of years wm probably wont be a real choice Dec 22 12:52:44 Bastich: have you check what are the mobile OS more used? Dec 22 12:52:49 Yeah, no one will use Windows Mobile except Windows .. Dec 22 12:52:52 mardi_: see the last comment Dec 22 12:52:52 ~Microsoft. Dec 22 12:52:54 "The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck is the day they start making vacuum cleaners." Dec 22 12:53:05 first one is Symbian, second Linux, third dont remember Dec 22 12:53:07 Bastich: By then there will be maemo alternatives then too Dec 22 12:53:22 i hope so Dec 22 12:53:24 and next year Google's android is coming Dec 22 12:53:33 infobot :D Dec 22 12:53:34 d is Soraya_'s unique version of the n disease. There is no cure. Dec 22 12:53:50 Bastich: wm is not a good future choice as is a minoritary choice Dec 22 12:53:51 the future is a great place Dec 22 12:53:53 Bastich: If I can run all the palm soft when needed and maemo stuff on top I (coming from palm) see a clear winner Dec 22 12:53:59 its only used a bit in US Dec 22 12:54:01 Tak: saw this? http://openpandora.ca/ Dec 22 12:54:08 in China Japan etc... its not even present Dec 22 12:54:22 and even in the US its not the first OS Dec 22 12:54:24 infobot: that was quite funny Dec 22 12:54:36 news flash: most things google tries are failures hugolp Dec 22 12:54:45 so WM is a risky choice Dec 22 12:55:20 pupnik: well see, I just say its coming Dec 22 12:55:32 ok. :) Dec 22 12:55:41 android will take 2-5 years before it's anything Dec 22 12:55:45 as in marketshare Dec 22 12:55:59 all the companies in it have other soups as well Dec 22 12:56:06 i agree. I am tired of people comparing real things to vaporware Dec 22 12:56:08 well, i like linux, is my fav to be honest, some time back i even installed a debian distro on a 33 mhz machine, would have never thought it's possible to get multitasking on that Dec 22 12:56:15 and saying "vapor will do this! vapor will do that!" Dec 22 12:56:20 and openhandset alliance is like the 5th mobile linux alliance sammy & moto & others are in Dec 22 12:56:41 pupnik: I just said that WM is a minoritary option with lots of competence Dec 22 12:56:55 pupnik: would you be happy if I say I love nokia? Dec 22 12:56:57 XD Dec 22 12:57:07 wm is fine as far as sw goes, if you like the os itself Dec 22 12:57:58 i don't like to use wm devices, but theres lots of apps Dec 22 12:58:09 so it being minority isn't an issue in that sense Dec 22 12:58:15 right, can anyone help me compile kernel modules Dec 22 12:58:24 * yabbas|compilin doesn't seem to be having much luck here Dec 22 12:58:25 it's sdk's arent total shit for app developing Dec 22 12:58:35 unlike symbians Dec 22 12:59:24 I was surprised to see symbian was so popular in china and Japan as well Dec 22 12:59:45 but its by difference the mobile OS used in the world Dec 22 13:00:11 and WM was not even present in china and Japan, was very very little in Europe and was the second or the third in US Dec 22 13:00:17 i completely forgot, does n800 have gps? Dec 22 13:00:25 Bastich: not build in Dec 22 13:00:43 so that's the catch, n810 has Dec 22 13:00:54 Bastich: build in gps dont work too goo Dec 22 13:00:55 d Dec 22 13:01:11 its better to have a external proper bluetooth gps Dec 22 13:01:42 well it kinda works if you are into waiting 3-5 minutes for fix Dec 22 13:01:43 and N800 can have two memory card when N810 only one Dec 22 13:01:46 you're saying that from your personall experience? Dec 22 13:01:49 and you never get more than 4 satellites Dec 22 13:02:07 is there a problem with installing canola2 on OS2007? i've been trying for over 24hrs now and keep getting a file corrupt error Dec 22 13:02:09 ~seen penguinbait Dec 22 13:02:12 penguinbait was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 17h 8m 32s ago, saying: 'Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register!'. Dec 22 13:02:17 how much is an external gps? Dec 22 13:02:28 Only cold fix., Dec 22 13:02:32 Indoors .. Dec 22 13:02:52 Bastich: I got mine for 50 euros but im sure you can find cheaper Dec 22 13:03:20 its cheaper to get a gps + N800 than N810 Dec 22 13:03:24 * sp3000 grumbles at people's sucky bug summaries Dec 22 13:03:49 alterego, i've tested that gps outdoors, out in the open now in 3 diffrent days. always takes minimum 3 minutes for a fix Dec 22 13:03:52 yup, that's what i was just trying to figure out Dec 22 13:04:09 "os2008 claimed sd cards corrupt but they work with os2007" != "SDHC Corruption bug back?" Dec 22 13:04:22 N800 seems to be a very good choice indeed, i'll probably go for it Dec 22 13:04:35 "hidden leading dot files hidden, filename extensions too" != "Censorship" Dec 22 13:04:48 * sp3000 flails desperately at something Dec 22 13:06:29 Bastich: that was my conclusion 1 months ago Dec 22 13:06:40 when i decided to buy the N800 Dec 22 13:07:03 i'm gonna order right away, we'll be colleageues soon :D Dec 22 13:07:19 O.o Dec 22 13:07:54 i'm not familiar with that, what does that mean? Dec 22 13:08:12 ummm, good question Dec 22 13:08:12 looks like a raised eyebrow Dec 22 13:08:17 dragster, aye? Dec 22 13:08:21 ^_^ Dec 22 13:08:30 >_< Dec 22 13:08:32 http://www.symbian-freak.com/news/007/12/nokia_n96_leaked.htm Dec 22 13:08:33 i geuss its a bit like that ^^ Dec 22 13:08:34 ¬_¬ Dec 22 13:08:53 O.o> Dec 22 13:09:33 Ò_Ó Dec 22 13:09:37 i hope pandora uses ITOS Dec 22 13:10:06 here, im getting confused Dec 22 13:10:19 maemo made OS2008 right? Dec 22 13:11:57 *silence ensues* i didnt know it was that noobie of question Dec 22 13:12:07 what is maemo Dec 22 13:12:29 see topic Dec 22 13:13:25 /lastlog code Dec 22 13:14:06 anyone here uses mobile mythtv? Dec 22 13:14:17 it doesnt run in the new OS2008 for me Dec 22 13:14:19 i still dont get it Dec 22 13:14:25 call me dum Dec 22 13:14:35 snak: what you dont get? Dec 22 13:14:54 wonder why that mozilla browser install is made so difficult Dec 22 13:15:05 the "development platform" bit Dec 22 13:15:34 i was under the impression it was a community of open source developers Dec 22 13:17:10 snak: yes Dec 22 13:17:19 and the platform is called maemo Dec 22 13:17:57 urrr Dec 22 13:17:59 right Dec 22 13:18:11 snak, read http://maemo.org/development/documentation/maemo-quick-start-guide.pdf Dec 22 13:18:38 quick start guide, ah - youre pointing me in the right direction, thank you sir Dec 22 13:18:47 np :) Dec 22 13:21:10 you know what's interesting there's no mention about the processor of N800 in the product specs, and it's just 320 mhz compared to 400 mhz of n810, so one more difference Dec 22 13:22:31 Bastich, they're the same processors TI OMAP2420 Dec 22 13:23:07 Bastich, selectable software clock - which means as of OS2008 N800 and N810 run the same speed (400MHz) Dec 22 13:24:13 oh, now i remember that i've read it somewhere, the higher speed comes with the firmware upgrade, true? Dec 22 13:24:21 yup Dec 22 13:24:37 great, n800 is still in the game :) Dec 22 13:24:48 yabbas|compilin: thats why OS2008 behaves so much better than OS2007 Dec 22 13:24:54 that makes sense Dec 22 13:25:08 I was wondering how they got N800 so much better with 2008 Dec 22 13:25:19 hugolp, yuss :) but it's also other stuff too Dec 22 13:25:40 "morning" Dec 22 13:25:48 "afternoon" Dec 22 13:26:08 has anyone tried to read comics on n800? Dec 22 13:26:17 yabbas|compilin: sure theres other work. Visually it has improved a lot as well Dec 22 13:26:22 Bastich: I did a while back Dec 22 13:26:23 "read" comics? :) Dec 22 13:26:50 how was it? i was hoping to be able to do that with my new pda device Dec 22 13:26:54 is CBR available on the N800... *hmmm* Dec 22 13:27:18 I used a program, whose name I'm trying to find now - it reads all sorts, pdfs included Dec 22 13:27:38 well, you always can unrar the cbr archive and view it as plain jpegs Dec 22 13:27:43 evince Dec 22 13:28:14 lardman: i mean, was it comfortable enough, or pain in the arse? Dec 22 13:28:42 large jpeg rendering was quite slow (in general), you had to scroll which was a pain rather than the app doing it for you, and the dpi is too high to easily read words Dec 22 13:28:55 so not ideal Dec 22 13:29:08 as is nothing :) Dec 22 13:29:41 see, that's where faster processor might come in handy Dec 22 13:30:07 thats a fair point Dec 22 13:30:09 optimised jpeg library would be good, and I head the image viewer is now faster so perhaps that's what's happened Dec 22 13:30:20 s/head/hear Dec 22 13:30:30 how come i can read pdf's vertically in full screen mode Dec 22 13:30:40 the A4 pages would fit the page better Dec 22 13:31:10 hell, adobe had rotate page button Dec 22 13:31:54 hi all Dec 22 13:32:07 image viewing is nice and fast, yeah Dec 22 13:32:16 Bastich: http://etrunko.blogspot.com/2007/04/evince-now-available-in-extras.html, scroll down to the shared-mime-info package if Evince doesn't work for the cbr/cbz files Dec 22 13:32:19 in the upgrade from os2008->1st edition, what breaks the app mnager...i did restore a backup Dec 22 13:32:21 i was looking at hi res photos from my camera Dec 22 13:32:27 anyway to fix?? Dec 22 13:32:43 cbx33: break as in it won't start up Dec 22 13:32:45 ? Dec 22 13:32:56 no....cant itstall from extras Dec 22 13:33:14 and crashes a lot Dec 22 13:33:23 i saw a post on a forum Dec 22 13:33:27 I think the extras thing is on-going, check the ml Dec 22 13:33:33 oh Dec 22 13:33:44 i heard it was if you restored from a beta backup Dec 22 13:33:49 poxy proxies I think Dec 22 13:34:05 it says all my install files are corrupt Dec 22 13:34:11 lardman: can you rotate with that? Dec 22 13:34:23 cbx33: oh, I don't know then, but just trying to download the files using a webbrowser is hit and miss Dec 22 13:34:28 the default pdf viewer cant rotate Dec 22 13:34:30 snak: evince? Dec 22 13:34:32 ouch Dec 22 13:34:33 ok Dec 22 13:34:41 yeah Dec 22 13:34:43 snak: I think so, can't remember haven't re-installed it Dec 22 13:35:00 -.- Dec 22 13:35:17 I bet it's in extras too :) Dec 22 13:35:43 you mean, in the app manager? Dec 22 13:35:45 nyone got any more info? Dec 22 13:35:47 Any news on the discount codes? Dec 22 13:35:59 i can't install anything extra from maemo at all Dec 22 13:36:05 snak: yeah, but there are some problems with files from extras Dec 22 13:36:32 yeah, i cant see it in my app manager Dec 22 13:36:42 in fact, there isnt much there at all Dec 22 13:36:57 snak red pill mode? Dec 22 13:37:01 * snak pokes it with a stick Dec 22 13:37:01 Perhaps it's not there, might be in its own repo: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2007/evince/ Dec 22 13:37:18 cbx33: Shouldn't need red pill to install a user app like that Dec 22 13:37:25 will that work with OS2008 being OS2007 Dec 22 13:37:29 true Dec 22 13:37:39 good point, didn't notice that Dec 22 13:37:45 cbx33: red pill mode sounded scarey Dec 22 13:37:52 when i read about it Dec 22 13:38:01 im still a newb so dont know what it does Dec 22 13:38:12 gives you more access to isntall apps Dec 22 13:38:19 snak: Allows you to see all the packages that are usually hidden from users Dec 22 13:38:24 errr, so why isnt it on by default? Dec 22 13:38:36 so people don't remove parts of the OS Dec 22 13:38:40 why can't we take both pills? the more the merrier. Dec 22 13:38:53 and because it makes for a very cluttered app manager list, with confusing names, etc. Dec 22 13:38:53 well said fnordianslip Dec 22 13:39:30 oh, right, im not interested in uninstalling though - im interesting in more apps to do stuff Dec 22 13:39:50 snak: but usually aplication that dont show are system aplications Dec 22 13:39:54 or dependencies Dec 22 13:40:00 not really user aplication Dec 22 13:40:06 or at least common user aplication Dec 22 13:40:45 so i really should touch it until im ready then Dec 22 13:41:08 you know what would be funny? to run wine on n800 Dec 22 13:41:27 Bastich: about the comic reading Dec 22 13:41:31 amazing, more like Dec 22 13:41:59 so why is bomberman - which i see on the nokia site _AND_ on maemos download section - not in the app manager Dec 22 13:42:00 the N800/810 has the biggest and with more resolution screen between all the pdas/tablets/smartphone so its your best choice for that Dec 22 13:42:31 snak: because it might be in a repository that its not on your machine list Dec 22 13:42:33 Bastich: I hear someone got doom running fine, ive yet to check that out Dec 22 13:42:43 snak: Ive finished doom on the N800 Dec 22 13:42:50 :) Dec 22 13:42:53 oh oh, any good? Dec 22 13:42:56 good job Dec 22 13:43:02 congrats Dec 22 13:43:05 they are actually porting Quake but I havent been able to install it yet Dec 22 13:43:07 complete with sound fx? Dec 22 13:43:14 snak: of course Dec 22 13:43:19 awesomeness Dec 22 13:43:32 i've heard about a port of quake III to pdas, but they only get about 10 fps Dec 22 13:43:58 there's a video on u tube Dec 22 13:44:12 so hugolp, how do i add the repository for bomberman -.- Dec 22 13:44:25 so i can install it -.- Dec 22 13:44:43 and then find someones ass to kick at it =) Dec 22 13:44:45 this is annoying Dec 22 13:44:52 python2.5 won't install, ukmp won't install Dec 22 13:44:54 nothing installs Dec 22 13:44:56 GRRR Dec 22 13:45:05 why not cbx33? Dec 22 13:45:05 snak: go to maemo and press the install button, and the repository will be added automatically Dec 22 13:45:14 I've no idea Dec 22 13:45:21 lardman, what was this about proxies? Dec 22 13:45:30 hugolp: does that mean ill get to see any other programs in that repository? Dec 22 13:45:37 I just get Unable to install Installation file corrupted Dec 22 13:45:50 snak: yes Dec 22 13:46:05 hmm Dec 22 13:46:06 hugolp: that actually explains alot. Cheers Dec 22 13:46:08 if someone knows why, it's be greatly appreciated Dec 22 13:46:12 can 2GB cards be SDHC? Dec 22 13:46:31 sp3000, don't believe so Dec 22 13:46:49 4GB are available as both, however 4gb non-sdhc is not well supported I think Dec 22 13:47:06 use 2 lots of 2gB =) Dec 22 13:48:02 * snak just got doom Dec 22 13:48:17 okay guys, it's been a pleasure talking to you, have a good day Dec 22 13:48:29 bye Dec 22 13:48:37 see you later Dec 22 13:48:40 perhaps Dec 22 13:48:46 cbx33: the repos are still hosed...many different symptoms for same problem Dec 22 13:48:48 right later Dec 22 13:49:10 still hosed?? Dec 22 13:49:14 from what? Dec 22 13:50:03 * sp3000 tries to guess if https://bugs.maemo.org/describecomponents.cgi?product=System%20software mmc-and-usb "MMC and USB" means "issues relating to mmcs and issues relating to usb" or "issues relating to mmcs with usb" Dec 22 13:50:51 mmcs with USB? Dec 22 13:51:01 Why would that be supported? Dec 22 13:51:28 "memory cards mounted via usb" is what's supported, there Dec 22 13:52:07 cbx33: some of the armel files were missing, and an error message (html file) is sent instead of the file; though some people can download the files sometimes it looks like the error message is still cached Dec 22 13:52:54 lardman, what can I do....anything? Dec 22 13:52:56 that's what I read anyway Dec 22 13:53:00 no, I don't think so Dec 22 13:53:29 so if it's cached Dec 22 13:53:34 when will normal service resume? Dec 22 13:53:47 when it's fixed Dec 22 13:54:20 I'm not sure it's entirely a cache issue, unless it's a caching proxy in front of *their* servers Dec 22 13:54:36 sorry from what lardman said I thought it was fixed but the fact taht my n800 had cached an error page Dec 22 13:55:12 meant it was still broken for me Dec 22 13:55:24 but you're saying the cache is at maemo end Dec 22 13:55:58 I'm confident that my wget is not doing any caching on this end Dec 22 13:56:03 No, I don't know. I'm fairly certain it's not a cache between me and *.maemo.org Dec 22 13:56:17 can the n800 connect to WPA2 points? Dec 22 13:56:37 yes snak Dec 22 13:56:49 great, ty Dec 22 13:57:02 hmm Dec 22 13:57:20 mgedmin: tnx for the .profile hack for ssh-agent...working nicely now Dec 22 13:57:47 so everyone is getting this problem? Dec 22 13:59:17 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2620 has the best info on this Dec 22 13:59:23 thanks Dec 22 14:01:36 dang Dec 22 14:01:40 so nothing yet to fix Dec 22 14:01:43 suck! Dec 22 14:02:13 hehehi upgraded, but now I can't install all my apps :p Dec 22 14:03:53 if a bug that i've voted for in bugzilla is subsequently marked as a duplicate and closed, does the vote get transferred to the duplicated bug? Dec 22 14:04:10 heheh Dec 22 14:04:58 not sure Dec 22 14:05:07 maybe i should raise some duplicates, vote for them and see what happens ;-) Dec 22 14:05:11 :( - so much for a maemo christmas Dec 22 14:05:13 hahahah Dec 22 14:07:00 fnordianslip: no, I checked myself (I'd voted on one of the things I've just closed as a duplicate) Dec 22 14:07:21 maybe we should raise a bug against bugzilla Dec 22 14:07:26 :) Dec 22 14:07:51 fnordianslip: what happens when the dup resolution is wrong and reverted? Dec 22 14:07:54 fnordianslip: no, then if you want to vote again, you just open a duplicate vote it and when it gets closed, you have voted twice in the original Dec 22 14:08:23 so your saying that it is correct as is? Dec 22 14:09:00 Im saying you have to look for another solution to that Dec 22 14:09:01 I suppose additional votes could be set on the dup target, but that would be a bit unreliable in that people could run out of votes so that woudn't happen Dec 22 14:09:18 k. just curious. Dec 22 14:09:18 transitive vote counting via dups might work out Dec 22 14:11:15 (you'd probably want to maintain an actual number for each bug rather than recurse to places every time) Dec 22 14:12:05 do you mean that it should show a separate metric for total votes in all dupes? Dec 22 14:12:46 the parenthetical was just a performance note Dec 22 14:13:08 whether it's shown separately is another matter Dec 22 14:13:28 * yabbas kicks himself Dec 22 14:14:26 aww, pastebin.com broke Dec 22 14:23:28 hmm Dec 22 14:23:37 do word suggestions not work in OS2008 xterm? Dec 22 14:24:03 seems to have been disabled to prevent password compromising Dec 22 14:24:06 Turned off in the latest release to solve the password problem Dec 22 14:24:38 mmh Dec 22 14:25:08 can we increase the shell history depth in busybox? Dec 22 14:25:55 clearly some people's passwords lack in the punctuation department Dec 22 14:26:02 it should just be turned off when the shell is set not to echo the input Dec 22 14:27:10 sp3000, pastebin.ca Dec 22 14:27:18 sp3000: good point. suppose that would stop them being offered Dec 22 14:27:26 db48x: indeed, but apparently that's quite tricky Dec 22 14:27:31 cbx33: doesn't help if the content is on pastebin.com :) Dec 22 14:29:07 sp3000, hehehe Dec 22 14:29:08 nope Dec 22 14:32:43 lol at doom Dec 22 14:32:50 it actually works pretty well Dec 22 14:32:57 snak: :) Dec 22 14:32:57 but omg it looks so retro now Dec 22 14:33:23 im looking for god mode cheats =) Dec 22 14:33:28 snak: you may want to check this http://www2.lut.fi/~thietan1/quetoo/ Dec 22 14:34:23 wow Dec 22 14:34:37 some people have been busy Dec 22 14:35:04 support multiplayer? Dec 22 14:35:33 Tak Dec 22 14:35:38 next thing you know, we'll be getting counter strike 1.6 on it Dec 22 14:35:45 what looks retro Dec 22 14:35:59 pupnik, who was working on gngeo? Dec 22 14:36:07 tak Dec 22 14:36:09 k Dec 22 14:36:17 looks neato, runs fast Dec 22 14:36:25 i see it in app manager.. Dec 22 14:36:26 doom looks retro Dec 22 14:36:27 will be a nice addition for ppl who like those fighting games Dec 22 14:36:38 so that mean he got it to work? Dec 22 14:36:45 i like all games Dec 22 14:36:46 oh doom.. heh. well pipeline's quake ports are the best imo Dec 22 14:36:52 yeah he did - with sound and high fps Dec 22 14:36:56 good stuff Dec 22 14:37:11 pupnik: the installer of quake didnt work for me Dec 22 14:37:13 havent look into it more Dec 22 14:38:52 :[ Dec 22 14:39:18 well, if it did - id only be whining that theres no keyboard and mouse Dec 22 14:41:41 snak: you can have bluetooth keyboard and mouse... and play quake in the bus with them Dec 22 14:41:42 XD Dec 22 14:42:04 omg xD Dec 22 14:42:06 * mgedmin ponders VR helmets Dec 22 14:42:27 mgedmin: i'd be the first to buy one if you made one Dec 22 14:43:17 heheh Dec 22 14:43:18 does busybox use .ashrc if present, and can i increase the history depth in it? Dec 22 14:43:19 i cant help but think, doesnt that mean both the keyboard and the mouse would be larger than the pc+monitor combined Dec 22 14:43:44 so... repos still broken? Dec 22 14:45:48 * snak sellotapes an N800 to the visor of an motorcycle helmet, and mods a wii-mote to bluetooth like a mouse and keyboard Dec 22 14:46:20 don't you need 2 N800s for 3D ? Dec 22 14:46:40 doom is 3d? Dec 22 14:46:53 er ... Dec 22 14:47:24 ccooke: looks like, yeah Dec 22 14:49:15 Cookie, cookie lend me your comb Dec 22 14:51:12 db48x: hm, if you're doing curses, does that count as echoing? Dec 22 14:51:38 * sp3000 would guesstimate t doesn't, but as usual knows nothig Dec 22 14:58:19 sp3000: how are the repositories doing? Dec 22 14:58:38 timelyx: badly Dec 22 14:58:59 sp3000: i think i have some portion of repository.maemo.org here: Dec 22 14:59:04 http://timeless.justdave.net/repository/repository.maemo.org/ Dec 22 14:59:04 fast, but roughtly a fifth of the files persistently give you the error page with 200 OK Dec 22 14:59:12 heh Dec 22 15:00:14 what was wrong with the repositories anyway? Dec 22 15:00:37 snak: too many users Dec 22 15:00:41 well, previously they were just slow and a random part in the chain would time out on most attempts Dec 22 15:00:50 and what seems to be a misconfigured mirror Dec 22 15:01:00 erk :/ Dec 22 15:04:54 hrm, looks like i'm missing all the good stuff Dec 22 15:04:56 We need more mirrors. Dec 22 15:05:02 Well, we need mirrors :) Dec 22 15:05:11 nah, the CDN just need to work correctly :) Dec 22 15:05:39 sp3000: is there an easy way to search for a movie on tv by name? Dec 22 15:05:41 CDN? Dec 22 15:05:56 content delivery network, e.g. akamai Dec 22 15:06:57 Oh Dec 22 15:07:11 that timeless mirrors is missing packages.gz :/ Dec 22 15:07:17 I still think mirrors are a good idea .. Dec 22 15:08:02 steri: which path? Dec 22 15:08:17 * shackan ponders the possibility of a distributed mirror via bittorrent Dec 22 15:08:22 http://timeless.justdave.net/repository/repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/chinook/free/binary-armel/ Dec 22 15:08:28 timelyx: hm, dunno Dec 22 15:08:38 my n800 says at it doesn't have Packages.gz file Dec 22 15:08:47 and it's not there Dec 22 15:08:56 shackan, would be nice if you could integrate that into the package manager itself :) Dec 22 15:09:02 and non-free also Dec 22 15:09:33 steri: yeah, sorry, gimme a few Dec 22 15:09:37 sure Dec 22 15:09:43 i'm not very used to building mirrors w/ killing things :) Dec 22 15:10:03 alterego: yeah, but 1) the protocol isn't exactly intended for that and 2) if it's only a temporary workaround it doesn't make sense to invest a lot of time implementing it Dec 22 15:10:03 wget -r repository.maemo.org :D Dec 22 15:10:28 steri: that doesn't work, the repository names start out unlisted Dec 22 15:10:44 and it isn't very polite :) Dec 22 15:10:49 :) Dec 22 15:11:04 I just want my canola2 installed :P Dec 22 15:11:35 steri, running into the problem of repo madness? Dec 22 15:11:42 ok, the files you want are coming through, but i don't know about order, so it'll probably be a few minutes Dec 22 15:11:48 cbx33: atm repository is running very quickly for me Dec 22 15:12:03 timelyx, really? Dec 22 15:12:05 cbx33: yea, installation file corrupted Dec 22 15:12:06 lemme try Dec 22 15:12:36 i'm getting >100K/s for 5 quasi concurrent connections Dec 22 15:13:18 timelyx: direct, or through the CDN? Dec 22 15:13:40 Any status update of the device program codes? Dec 22 15:13:43 um, probably cdn Dec 22 15:13:50 steri: try again Dec 22 15:13:52 i think i have those Dec 22 15:14:00 * cbx33 is trying now Dec 22 15:14:07 python2.5 Dec 22 15:14:10 downloaded...nope corrupt Dec 22 15:14:29 which repository is that? :) Dec 22 15:14:38 GET -Ue http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/dists/chinook/non-free/binary-armel/Packages.gz?foo=$RANDOM should avoid any intermediate proxies and is returning 20 bytes for me. Dec 22 15:14:57 oh, yeah Dec 22 15:15:02 those lengths are bogus Dec 22 15:15:03 how rude Dec 22 15:15:12 anything that isn't mokia Dec 22 15:15:14 nokia Dec 22 15:15:23 cbx33: I have the same with original maemo repos but afaik mirror cant help if .deb is broken Dec 22 15:15:26 repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/sardine/non-free/binary-i386/Release Dec 22 15:15:28 survived Dec 22 15:15:40 timelyx: when you have made that copy? Dec 22 15:16:00 steri: the copy was started thursday or so and is still incomplete Dec 22 15:16:06 timelyx: do you know if ferenc et al are working on it? presumably they've gone on holiday, but I saw a comment in Bugzilla which ferenc made last night Dec 22 15:16:13 timelyx: oh :o Dec 22 15:16:24 taking longer to download this time....nope corrupt again Dec 22 15:16:27 Jaffa: they claimed someone from an internal group was supposed to be looking on it Dec 22 15:16:37 cbx33: which path? Dec 22 15:16:48 not sure....lemme see Dec 22 15:16:51 * timelyx tries to figure out how to find corrupt files Dec 22 15:17:33 http://timeless.justdave.net/repository/repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/chinook/non-free/binary-armel/ is missing that packet too Dec 22 15:19:18 http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/p/python2.5/ Dec 22 15:19:28 i believe that's where it as coming from Dec 22 15:20:30 Jaffa: isn't working? Dec 22 15:20:38 [sanjay]$ GET -Ue repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/2.0/non-free/binary-i386/Packages?foo=AFSADA Dec 22 15:20:40 Content-Length: 0 Dec 22 15:21:20 cbx33: unfortunately it looks like extras is still running Dec 22 15:21:24 i think i have extras-devel :) Dec 22 15:21:29 * timelyx sighs Dec 22 15:21:55 actually, the main reason i didn't do a more top level wget is that i was expecting dreamhost to kill my long running process Dec 22 15:21:58 and then i'd have no idea how to resume Dec 22 15:23:31 dreamhost only cares about actual cpu usage, that shouldn't be a problem Dec 22 15:23:41 timelyx, what doyou mean unfortunately....? Dec 22 15:23:43 I rsync'd tldp.org which is 2 GB Dec 22 15:24:03 cbx33: as in not finished/populated :( Dec 22 15:24:21 i've tried using svn to checkout things on dreamhost, and i get killed Dec 22 15:24:36 heheh Dec 22 15:24:38 hm Dec 22 15:24:38 ko Dec 22 15:25:56 timelyx, i'll wait then Dec 22 15:26:07 i'm going out for an hour, i'll look back in later Dec 22 15:27:53 thanks timelyx Dec 22 15:28:51 Tripath! Dec 22 15:29:04 oh ffs now real repos are missing that Packages.gz Dec 22 15:29:56 heheh Dec 22 15:31:04 hmmm did they fix something because now they are back :P Dec 22 15:31:36 steri, i just think it's a very unreliable time at the moment Dec 22 15:32:11 yea "installation file corrupted", I just wish at they have time to fix those before xmass Dec 22 15:32:22 i don't get it though - i can download on my desktop Dec 22 15:32:31 and it seems like there is a 1.9Mb file Dec 22 15:32:39 can i just copy across and install that way? Dec 22 15:33:40 if the .dep is broken it doesn't help Dec 22 15:33:52 well just have to grab all the deps too Dec 22 15:34:14 .deb ofcourse :) tell me if you succeed and I wanna try it too :P Dec 22 15:34:14 are you on a shared hositing account on dreamhost? Dec 22 15:36:54 .deb doesn't seem broken Dec 22 15:37:02 a dpkg -c showed all files it contains Dec 22 15:37:08 just trying to copy across now Dec 22 15:37:26 whats the difference between a .deb and a .install Dec 22 15:37:42 .install tells app manager where to go to get the .deb Dec 22 15:37:47 ie which repository to add Dec 22 15:38:11 oh, which means the .install is better cause then i get a huge ass repository to download apps Dec 22 15:38:15 An .install is a script that mentions a repo to be added to sources.list Dec 22 15:38:33 right? Dec 22 15:39:10 hmmm not necessarily Dec 22 15:39:33 :S Dec 22 15:39:41 well in some ways I guess Dec 22 15:39:45 it just means that Dec 22 15:40:11 someone can post a single file which will not only give you the file you want, but will add the repo so that if that file requires deps that are not in the standard repos they get pulled too Dec 22 15:41:42 im geussing that, if ever the app was updated - because i have the repositary in my app manager, i get a notification of update Dec 22 15:42:02 and if i just used the .deb i wouldnt get that Dec 22 15:42:25 cause (in this case) i dont have the repository address Dec 22 15:42:26 steri, it seems to work Dec 22 15:42:33 it threw up an error about some deps Dec 22 15:42:52 because I didn't have those packages installed, but it certainly didn't say that the package was corrupt Dec 22 15:45:04 am i right or just pissing in the wind? Dec 22 15:45:44 every time you apt-get update, god kills a kitten Dec 22 15:46:22 youre scaring me Dec 22 15:46:22 pupnik, then I usually get a three-for-one deal, as it hangs and dupes source entries and fixes itself. Dec 22 15:46:48 damn Dec 22 15:46:58 bah Dec 22 15:47:05 * snak goes back to noob corner Dec 22 15:47:19 how do I install more stuff than will fit in the 256M rootfs? Is there any 'official' way? Dec 22 15:47:44 snak yes that should be right Dec 22 15:47:51 you can install a multi-boot loader and install filesystem to the mmc /sd card coo Dec 22 15:47:53 i hear you can boot off the mmc;s Dec 22 15:48:00 pupnik, no where did he say about apt-get update :p Dec 22 15:48:05 cbx33: thanks Dec 22 15:48:06 i cant get this neogeo emu to work Dec 22 15:48:09 pupnik, I've yet to try that Dec 22 15:48:12 ccooke, http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_easily_boot_from_mmc_card/ Dec 22 15:48:17 but running a usb keyboard off it was fun Dec 22 15:48:25 and you can plug in usb sticks too Dec 22 15:48:28 anyone got it to work? with xmaeme Dec 22 15:49:42 astro76, that'll be a christmas project I think Dec 22 15:50:02 i think when i put my n800 into usb host mode it eats battery life - even with nothing plugged in Dec 22 15:50:16 unique311: haven't tried it soryr Dec 22 15:50:35 I'll be happy if I just get working repos for christmas Dec 22 15:50:35 :p Dec 22 15:52:15 just keep on getting unable to open rom Dec 22 15:53:02 bwahahahahha i own at bomberman Dec 22 15:55:30 ceiling cat watches unique311 Dec 22 15:56:19 so where should I get the debs from if r.m.o is broken? Dec 22 15:56:30 I am trying to install chinook sdk Dec 22 15:58:00 hi michele :) Dec 22 15:58:17 pupnik, i don't understand. Dec 22 15:58:21 ciao Andy80 Dec 22 15:58:59 http://www.ceilingcat.com/ Dec 22 15:59:01 michele, got a good howto for it? Dec 22 15:59:19 cbx33: I am following the INSTALL.txt file Dec 22 15:59:27 oh ok Dec 22 15:59:30 if you get stuck Dec 22 15:59:31 http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/?p=453 Dec 22 15:59:38 I am stuck Dec 22 15:59:46 read that see if it helps Dec 22 15:59:46 because the packages are broken Dec 22 15:59:49 ahh yes Dec 22 15:59:52 as the topic says Dec 22 15:59:58 well you're stuck Dec 22 16:00:14 are there other repositories available? Dec 22 16:00:18 pupnik, i shot that cat a while back. Dec 22 16:00:51 have you guys no mercy? Dec 22 16:01:04 killing kittens, shooting cats Dec 22 16:01:14 9 lives Dec 22 16:01:15 michele: i don't know of any offhand Dec 22 16:01:31 more than enough to go around Dec 22 16:01:40 unless 8 was already used. Dec 22 16:01:42 it's vacation time here snak. no problems are taken seriously Dec 22 16:01:47 then its just shitty luck Dec 22 16:02:04 heh pupnik, its my vacation too Dec 22 16:02:31 one mans job is another mans vacation Dec 22 16:02:42 hm are you guys really shooting cats? Dec 22 16:03:15 snak, my mother tells me that in haiti cats are a delicacy Dec 22 16:03:47 it's vacation time michele Dec 22 16:04:04 oh youre mean :( Dec 22 16:04:23 i'm mean....im not the one eating kitties. Dec 22 16:04:40 my aunt has a hobby farm and the cats overbreed. they need to be drowneded Dec 22 16:05:00 youre actually kidding Dec 22 16:05:02 me Dec 22 16:05:14 i'm kidding about killing cats.... Dec 22 16:05:23 but they do eat cats in haiti. Dec 22 16:05:25 wad Dec 22 16:05:27 sad Dec 22 16:05:35 :( Dec 22 16:05:49 animal is an animal Dec 22 16:06:01 i think in japan, dogs are favored Dec 22 16:06:08 rumored Dec 22 16:06:24 Er, no, Japan doesn't eat dogs or cats. Dec 22 16:06:40 to eat or to keep? Dec 22 16:06:43 countries don't eat generally anything, but individuals might Dec 22 16:06:44 Rural China perhaps. Decades ago. Dec 22 16:06:49 ok Dec 22 16:07:12 cats and dogs are still sold in south east asian markets Dec 22 16:07:19 countries eat freedom Dec 22 16:07:30 well said Dec 22 16:07:37 * snak bows Dec 22 16:08:22 so, do they eat or keep them in japan? Dec 22 16:08:36 keep Dec 22 16:08:39 im trying to get which one you meant unique311 Dec 22 16:08:44 i think eel had to be the strangest animal i ate. Dec 22 16:08:49 they eat. Dec 22 16:08:53 Eel is good. Dec 22 16:08:56 wrong nick Dec 22 16:08:57 very Dec 22 16:09:12 Rattlesnake is dryer but similar. Dec 22 16:09:23 any garnet VM users here? Dec 22 16:09:27 they eat dogs? thats plain wierd Dec 22 16:09:40 snak, in Japan, they do not. Dec 22 16:09:42 snak, halley corrected me Dec 22 16:09:50 Try to keep up. Dec 22 16:10:03 urg, sorry :( Dec 22 16:10:21 halley i'm not sure about that...when i was in japan, the rumors were strong on the base. Dec 22 16:10:41 The base? US Military? As if they'd have a clue. Dec 22 16:11:07 they pratically run the damn country Dec 22 16:11:12 * halley rolls his eyes. Dec 22 16:11:17 lol Dec 22 16:11:29 eh? the US runs Japan? Dec 22 16:11:36 thats news to me Dec 22 16:11:45 It might seem that way from the weird perspective that a soldier would have while ON base. Dec 22 16:11:55 while on base Dec 22 16:12:16 Hillary will promise a ceiling cat in every house. Dec 22 16:12:41 It's like thinking your high school teacher is an important leader in the city government. Dec 22 16:12:58 ceiling cat is cute Dec 22 16:12:58 So heres something actually on topic (heh): If I do an apt-get source and dpkg-buildpkg -rfakeroot, I get a package the maemo installer hates but command line dpkg handles fine. Is there an easy way to resolve that while preserving dpkg-buildpkg making my life easy for me? Dec 22 16:13:01 please, does sb have experience with garnet? does it slow down the tablet very much? Dec 22 16:13:04 but but she was always petitioning... Dec 22 16:13:34 Bastich, why don't you try it and report back. Dec 22 16:13:50 Bastich doesnt have one Dec 22 16:13:54 thats why hes asking Dec 22 16:14:14 * snak is a psykik Dec 22 16:14:25 yes, that's right i dont have one Dec 22 16:14:28 tell you what if you have a .install link handy I will check it out and get back to you Dec 22 16:14:40 sounds like a plan Dec 22 16:15:18 u mean install for garnet? Dec 22 16:15:23 yea Dec 22 16:15:27 http://www.access-company.com/cgi/gvm_nseries.cgi?action=download_form&which=N800 Dec 22 16:15:45 not exactly an install link Dec 22 16:15:59 but damn close Dec 22 16:16:35 bah...making me register... Dec 22 16:16:40 Why did GarnetVM do that? Dec 22 16:16:40 lol Dec 22 16:16:51 registeration are BIG turn offs Dec 22 16:17:16 and they EMAIL you the install link Dec 22 16:17:44 yeah, insert credit card number first please Dec 22 16:18:28 I think there are still a lot of people that don't like the idea of giving away an emulator, and those people setup the install process Dec 22 16:18:35 snak: as for the credit card #, have u seen bender's big score? Dec 22 16:18:57 why not just give away an emulator? Dec 22 16:19:11 benders big score? Dec 22 16:19:37 i dont watch fuurama Dec 22 16:19:40 because it is their OS that they worked so hard on...and palm is not exactly known for it oss nature Dec 22 16:20:14 pity, i couldn't stop laughing all the time Dec 22 16:20:26 i might give it a try Dec 22 16:20:36 bender should not be on tv Dec 22 16:20:39 BAH, after all this they don't even have a repo just a .deb file! Dec 22 16:21:03 thefool: that mystefies me, lots of apps exist already to do the things you'd install garnetVM for Dec 22 16:21:33 they are narrowing thier audience - and thus narrowing the reason and importance of thier own existance!! Dec 22 16:21:44 * snak steps off the soap box Dec 22 16:21:56 ick bin ein jelly donut Dec 22 16:22:45 i mean, why program software no ones going to use? Dec 22 16:23:03 to learn Dec 22 16:23:12 but if its a company Dec 22 16:23:26 to increase corporate spending Dec 22 16:23:50 -_- Dec 22 16:24:03 lol..sorry, came into the conversation late Dec 22 16:24:10 i already mentioned pdbs? i could justl install isilo for palm os without having to look for some other software Dec 22 16:24:24 pdbs? Dec 22 16:24:52 and the same goes for just any kind of more renonwned software, you're much likely to find a port under palm os than under maemo Dec 22 16:25:08 that's gotta be the next step...is it possible to run palmos apps while hiding the virtualization layer? Make them look native? Dec 22 16:25:23 hmmm, i can help but feel that defeats the point of maemo a bit Dec 22 16:25:28 Bastich: it might run grea, but it will still look ugly Dec 22 16:25:55 s/grea/great Dec 22 16:26:34 ive never used palm os Dec 22 16:26:46 my only real incentive to install it is that rapier is laggy as heck and I want a better bible app. There are some really nice ones for palm Dec 22 16:26:59 btw if the software listed on maemo.org is everything what you can have, you have to be pretty modest to make do just with that Dec 22 16:27:15 snak: I really think it was a great OS...it has deteriorated a lot in the last few years though Dec 22 16:28:07 halley sent you a PM. Dec 22 16:28:20 snak, you also. Dec 22 16:28:27 unique311: got pm but cant reply, cheers for the head up Dec 22 16:28:32 k Dec 22 16:28:48 on the front side of n810, is that a metalic finish or is that just plastic? Dec 22 16:29:09 everything starts off good and then goes bad Dec 22 16:29:14 hey Bastich, you got any small palm apps I can install Dec 22 16:29:14 It's metal with a bluish plastic sealing layer. Dec 22 16:29:42 Bastich: i geuss im pretty modest Dec 22 16:29:46 could you try isilo, ill hand u a link Dec 22 16:30:00 I already got a nasty little error about connecting to GVM I want to make sure this thing actually works Dec 22 16:30:26 although admittedly i havent had it all that long to fully mess with the thing i want to do. But i havent found something i want to do and cant (yet) Dec 22 16:31:13 http://www.isilo.com/download/dl/iSilo500PalmOSSetup.exe Dec 22 16:31:29 ack, what do I do with that lol Dec 22 16:31:43 I meant a .pdb or something Dec 22 16:32:03 aw well I will google a bit, I feel like booting into windows for this Dec 22 16:32:32 what the heck does isilio do? Dec 22 16:32:37 is that an emulator? Dec 22 16:32:59 no, it's a pdb reader Dec 22 16:33:14 somebody should port Dillo to hildon Dec 22 16:33:20 a protien data bank? Dec 22 16:33:23 unfortunately i don't have pdb files smaller than 50 megs Dec 22 16:34:14 thefool, garnet vm works. Just has lots of bugs. Dec 22 16:34:18 oh right Dec 22 16:34:24 certain apps won't run Dec 22 16:34:26 install Dec 22 16:34:33 cant you get a pdb to pdf convertor or something Dec 22 16:34:55 http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=pdb+to+pdf+convertor&btnG=Google+Search&meta= Dec 22 16:35:09 oooh, I just had it lick up my tablet...nasty little VM Dec 22 16:35:14 look, top link and everything Dec 22 16:35:21 s/lick/lock Dec 22 16:35:56 hmm I never had it hard lockbefore, how do I restart? Dec 22 16:36:43 i don't know, would you fancy converting a 80 mb pdb file? Dec 22 16:36:51 i wouldn't Dec 22 16:37:06 huh? on my pc, sure Dec 22 16:37:31 what do you have? an amstrad? Dec 22 16:37:39 I can't believe they released this crap. Something that locks up before even using it...thats like pre-alpha Dec 22 16:38:00 no i'm the stonehenge operator Dec 22 16:38:32 i should make some upgrade, i know Dec 22 16:38:58 um seriously how do I do a hard reset on the 770 Dec 22 16:39:00 ? Dec 22 16:39:08 -.- Dec 22 16:39:17 thefool: Pull the battery? Dec 22 16:39:18 battery out and in again? Dec 22 16:39:20 maybe Dec 22 16:39:27 brutal but ok Dec 22 16:39:38 but theres quite a few apps there that will do the job, some of them batches so you could do the whole lot overnight - even on an amstrad Dec 22 16:39:44 That's usually how I do it, it's not hard to lock it up to where the power button doesn't work Dec 22 16:39:57 if the hw watchdog doesn't trip in 30 seconds or so, pull the battery Dec 22 16:40:05 garnetvm did that for me just fine... Dec 22 16:40:34 never managed to lick it up before Dec 22 16:40:37 thefool: flash it again Dec 22 16:40:39 steri: the benefit of repositories is indeed the update notices Dec 22 16:40:42 man, i'm buying it to make my life less complicated, not the reverse Dec 22 16:40:56 snak: let me kick you Dec 22 16:41:03 lol Dec 22 16:41:05 :( Dec 22 16:41:32 * pupnik shoots zingers with a heavy duty rubber-band Dec 22 16:41:34 its what i would do -.- Dec 22 16:41:43 because it crashed once? Dec 22 16:41:47 are you serious? Dec 22 16:41:58 errr, if it locked up cause of dodgey software Dec 22 16:42:22 why notm it wouldnt do any harm Dec 22 16:42:25 CRAP I can't even restart it Dec 22 16:42:31 steri: note that you probably only get notices if you check in application manager Dec 22 16:42:33 I am just seeing 2 lines down the screen Dec 22 16:42:35 that sounds more suspect Dec 22 16:43:00 i hope a message hasnt appeared saying "Should have went with PalmOS you open source nerd" Dec 22 16:43:15 I didn't even know they made a garnet for the 770 Dec 22 16:43:28 come on! this sucks Dec 22 16:43:53 so I guess I do have to reflash... I officially hate palm Dec 22 16:44:15 erk, that didnt turn out well :( Dec 22 16:44:53 ok so BastichI would not worry about Garnet slowing down as much as screwing up your tablet Dec 22 16:45:46 do you know how long it took me to get that far in marbles... Dec 22 16:46:29 my mum always said - you can do it once, you can do it again Dec 22 16:46:45 thefool: thank you, i owe you one Dec 22 16:46:50 lol Dec 22 16:47:30 mind sending me a link to the linux flashing utility + 2007HE rom? Dec 22 16:47:35 im sure you could ask around for a marbles savegame ^_^ Dec 22 16:48:09 what are the limits for a big file for ext2 ? Dec 22 16:48:16 2gb or more ? Dec 22 16:48:41 evening all... Dec 22 16:49:00 evening Dec 22 16:49:06 i've tried to copy an ISO (3.5GB to an sdhc (6gb) via usb cable connected to a pc Dec 22 16:49:08 ciao maddler Dec 22 16:49:25 ciao bello! :) Dec 22 16:49:35 but after i've umount and than unplug the cable, my iso is gone... Dec 22 16:49:52 L0cutus, the cards use fat Dec 22 16:50:10 i have formatted to ext2 Dec 22 16:50:20 ah Dec 22 16:51:06 aaah, if i had the money i would go for htc shift Dec 22 16:51:23 i think it is a OS limit for 2gb... Dec 22 16:51:31 even if ext2 formatted Dec 22 16:52:25 Bastich: still, laptops are big and bulky. Its handhelds for me :) Dec 22 16:52:57 if i try to 'ls' the dir where i have put my iso, receive the message: "ls: /media/mmc2/SUNSHINE.iso: value too large defined data type Dec 22 16:53:12 true it's a little bit bulkier, but imagine 7 days of operation in the pda mode Dec 22 16:53:15 very strange Dec 22 16:53:48 but i'd have to fork it out my bag every time i want to use it Dec 22 16:54:03 as opposed to carrying around an extra battery Dec 22 16:54:22 granted not exactly 7 days Dec 22 16:54:22 :) i get your point Dec 22 16:54:47 car battery is good Dec 22 16:54:53 im sure -.- Dec 22 16:55:16 car battery in the backpack and you're fine for a coupla months Dec 22 16:56:01 and how much money you'd save on gym admission Dec 22 16:56:01 i did this on a frame backpack for a while Dec 22 16:56:23 but even a tiny amount of battery acid will eat holes in nylon Dec 22 16:56:38 uuhh, do you have scars on your back? Dec 22 16:56:55 no Dec 22 16:57:12 lucky Dec 22 16:57:34 Hi. Can someone point me to the file where the passkeys for wifi are stored in maemo? Dec 22 16:57:39 just but a leaden slab on your back and you won't have to worry about the acid Dec 22 16:57:44 been looking for a while but cant find them Dec 22 16:58:13 passkeys for wifi? Dec 22 16:58:25 wpa2 passkey for example Dec 22 16:58:43 or key or password or whatever you want to call them :-) Dec 22 16:58:43 doesnt it depend on the router ur connecting to Dec 22 16:58:57 yeah, but you can safe them, right? Dec 22 16:59:12 Dicer42: they're in the gconf registry somewhere Dec 22 16:59:21 And I want to upgrade from my 2006os (n770) to 2008 without backing up and restoring Dec 22 16:59:52 theres hard news for you Dec 22 17:00:23 if im not mistaken - i thaught the 770 doesnt get os2008 Dec 22 17:00:42 I doesnt. I just got my n800 Dec 22 17:01:07 The touchscreen was getting really bad so it was about time anyway Dec 22 17:01:11 howdo gurus (from my lovely n810 whilst stuck in an airport) Dec 22 17:01:25 and with 2088 out it wasnt a tough decision :-) Dec 22 17:01:51 heh, i normally wait a month or too after the release of an OS to pan out the bugs Dec 22 17:02:15 anyone else having issue installing apps such as canola? Dec 22 17:02:26 aha THERE's the chaser clip... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaXHKIFiTzo Dec 22 17:02:34 damn, im sure thats the 3rd time ive heard that today troozers Dec 22 17:03:07 I normally would wait too. But why get everything over from 2006 to 2007 and in a month same procedure again Dec 22 17:03:20 yeah, seems to be an issue at the moment Dec 22 17:04:07 good thinking - but im afraid i dont know, i thaught i read an issue with updating to os2008 and restoring your data so you might want to quickly check the blogs Dec 22 17:04:34 i didnt restore mine Dec 22 17:06:01 I didnt restore either. thats why I asked for the storage location of the wifi keys. Thats the only thing I really need. Don't want to enter them again. There are quite a lot of accesspoints I have access too... Dec 22 17:06:25 share them with me :D Dec 22 17:06:41 Tell me where to find them first ;-) Dec 22 17:06:51 gconf is rather large Dec 22 17:07:00 ouch Dec 22 17:07:09 im sorry, i dont know Dec 22 17:07:29 im sure someone here knows though Dec 22 17:08:06 I'm already digging into it. No luck so far though Dec 22 17:08:11 snak, Dicer42, I did restore, but snak you're still having issues right? Dec 22 17:08:53 i am? what with? Dec 22 17:09:04 i think there was a post on itT about wifi keys Dec 22 17:09:27 oh....i thoguht you were with the repos? Dec 22 17:10:12 oh yeah theres one of two things Dec 22 17:10:27 some apps arent showing up, some are corrupted and some missing components Dec 22 17:10:53 i see Dec 22 17:10:58 hey i installed scratchbox and maemo sdk (although toward the end the sdk installed said there were a few packages that were size mismatched or something).. but after all that, and exporting the display,.. i cant get this step done.. because the script isnt there.. Dec 22 17:10:58 After the Xephyr server is running on the Linux host, you can start Dec 22 17:10:58 the Hildon Application Framework with the following command: Dec 22 17:10:58 [sbox-CHINOOK_X86:~] > af-sb-init.sh start Dec 22 17:12:56 it said to try apt-get update... or --fix-missing Dec 22 17:13:26 is there some way to view ppt files on n800? Dec 22 17:16:03 Bastich: koffice has just been ported Dec 22 17:16:37 hugolp: thanks Dec 22 17:18:23 google can convert ppts into html :) Dec 22 17:18:26 anything new in os2008 to allow an n800 to share the internet connection of a wm6 (no btdun,pan only) smartphone? Dec 22 17:19:08 what kind of wm6 phone doesn't have btdun? Dec 22 17:19:38 tontsa: if i understand right, /every/ Dec 22 17:19:39 hugolp: but still you have to convert to openoffice presenter Dec 22 17:19:58 sorry impress Dec 22 17:20:14 openoffice uses confusing names Dec 22 17:20:45 koffice doesnt read ppt? Dec 22 17:20:47 alnr, so this is not a scenario where you would use your laptop's bt to connect to internet via smartphone's say gprs or edge? Dec 22 17:21:13 hugolp: no they don't have ppts among supported files Dec 22 17:21:34 then youll have to do what timelyx said Dec 22 17:21:47 tontsa: no, i can get my laptop to ics with my tmobile dash, but i would like to make the n800 share the dash, no laptop Dec 22 17:21:53 Ok crap, I may have somehow bricked my 770...I don't even get the booting screen Dec 22 17:21:54 and I can't seem to get it to reflash Dec 22 17:22:15 hugolp: no need for that, i can open a ppt in impress and save it as open office presentation Dec 22 17:22:28 alnr, ics being the windows internet connection sharing? Dec 22 17:22:46 tontsa: right. it uses bt pan Dec 22 17:23:36 I cant find those stupid wifi keys... And no post on ITT either Dec 22 17:23:52 uhh does anyone else have chinook scratchbox installed? Dec 22 17:24:01 Guess I have to reenter them all :-( Dec 22 17:24:01 yes Dec 22 17:24:10 do you have af-sb-init.sh ? Dec 22 17:24:27 apparently ms deliberately dropped bt dun, and will be putting it back one day in wm6, although mobile provider partners dont want it for some reason Dec 22 17:24:29 i dont have af-sb-init.sh anywhere.. never was installed apparently Dec 22 17:24:30 alnr, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6794 there's some crude way to get BT PAN on n800 Dec 22 17:24:50 alnr, os2007 or os2008? Dec 22 17:25:15 i made a ruby package for os2007.. 4 clicks and you're online with PAN Dec 22 17:25:22 tontsa: tx, i messed with that but i just could not get anywhere in os2007. now i have os2008, was hoping for something new or something figure it out Dec 22 17:25:23 os2008.. workin on it Dec 22 17:25:51 i'll give it shot in '8 also Dec 22 17:26:04 no Dec 22 17:26:06 dont use that one Dec 22 17:26:09 hang on Dec 22 17:26:49 so people who havn't doe a restore Dec 22 17:26:53 do your repos work? Dec 22 17:26:59 or are they broken for everyone?? Dec 22 17:27:09 repos work for me atleast Dec 22 17:27:16 on os2008? Dec 22 17:27:28 been installing stuff the last 3 days just fine, yep 2008 Dec 22 17:27:32 alnr, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12666&highlight=pan+os2008 fanoush's script will work.. just run udhcpc -i bnep0 afterwards.. Dec 22 17:27:40 tontsa, did you restore fro ma backup? Dec 22 17:27:45 what version of 2008? Dec 22 17:27:49 1st/beta? Dec 22 17:28:02 dude Dec 22 17:28:09 no developers for chinook in here? Dec 22 17:28:12 cbx33, no restore. just flashed my n810 with the latest image and added all the repos from gronmayer page Dec 22 17:28:27 truent: ok thanks. i will check it out Dec 22 17:28:27 hmm Dec 22 17:28:31 thanks for company, see you for now Dec 22 17:28:40 tontsa, ok......so...maybe there is correlation Dec 22 17:28:46 i mean the files seem to be available Dec 22 17:29:07 maybe if you restored a backup it overwrote some stuff with older stuff Dec 22 17:29:14 and you are getting some mixed bora-chinook stuff Dec 22 17:29:22 I did no restore on my n800 and Nokia catalog is not working Dec 22 17:29:24 alnr, check back on itt.. im working on an easy version for os2008 pan users Dec 22 17:29:33 hmm Dec 22 17:29:42 Dicer42, interesting Dec 22 17:29:48 md5sum mismatch Dec 22 17:29:50 my nokia ones work Dec 22 17:29:59 Hi, guys. I figured out why the maemo repos etc were crap. Dec 22 17:30:21 truent: that would be great! Dec 22 17:30:27 seems to be luck of a draw on which akamai mirror you get Dec 22 17:30:29 Screaming: why? Dec 22 17:30:31 some mirrors are broken Dec 22 17:30:31 Because maemo.org is a Nokia 770 serving through the USB port? Dec 22 17:30:38 Screaming, ??? Dec 22 17:30:45 come on Dec 22 17:30:47 spill the beans Dec 22 17:31:03 halley: more likely, a beowulf cluster of them Dec 22 17:31:12 anyone looking for linux kernel dev / xwindows(embedded related) job? (would be in helsinki) /query Dec 22 17:31:16 but i get the file.....it always seems to download Dec 22 17:31:17 Santa lost a reindeer so all the Finns had to stay home so he could check up on theirs. Dec 22 17:31:25 oh ha ha ha Dec 22 17:31:47 glass_: heh, I wish I lived there :D Dec 22 17:31:54 ARG Dec 22 17:31:56 * timelyx hit a quota Dec 22 17:32:03 ouch Dec 22 17:32:06 hehehe Dec 22 17:32:22 bandwidth quota? Dec 22 17:32:40 quotas are targets, which mean youre an achiever Dec 22 17:32:48 well done Dec 22 17:32:58 ;) Dec 22 17:34:26 shackan: disk Dec 22 17:35:26 shackan: i wish you lived there too ha Dec 22 17:35:52 anyone have any strong recs for a bt keyboard for n800? from what i read, they all seem to have issues Dec 22 17:36:41 is a must for me because rdesktop is unusable w/o an ext keyboard Dec 22 17:37:02 alnr, yeah, ssh. ;) Dec 22 17:37:21 alnr: stowaways Dec 22 17:37:22 alnr, anything that is bluetooth HID compliant should be good Dec 22 17:37:29 yeah Dec 22 17:37:33 alnr, yeah the stowaways Dec 22 17:37:43 if you are in the us, this one is still $30 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0002OKCXE/ref=ord_cart_shr?%5Fencoding=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&v=glance Dec 22 17:40:16 thanks all. yes i rely on ssh but use a ms desktop as a control pt for lot of things (eg it has its own putty/screen windows running in it Dec 22 17:41:32 Sounds horrific. Dec 22 17:41:45 hrm Dec 22 17:41:54 repository.maemo.org is >6.7gb ? :( Dec 22 17:42:27 igo stowaway ultra slim BT works fine for me Dec 22 17:42:39 I downloaded the latest image and ended up with a 145MB file named nokia_N810.php...how's that supposed to work? Dec 22 17:42:42 * timelyx wonders if there's any clever way to trim the size of a repository Dec 22 17:43:03 dick-richardson, check the md5sum, the filename doesn't matter Dec 22 17:43:03 halley: i use ssh, heavy, but i've found that for working from any network including restricted, rdp is the most universal and stealthy Dec 22 17:43:11 dick-richardson: the normal filename is listed in the download list Dec 22 17:43:14 astro76: kk Dec 22 17:43:31 if you have linux/osx, it doesn't really matter, just pass the filename to flasher3 Dec 22 17:43:45 on windows, i believe the flasher will let you browse to an arbitrary file name Dec 22 17:43:54 although it probably expects .bin or something :) Dec 22 17:44:50 using linux...just put off for a bit by the name Dec 22 17:45:01 but md5 matches...so we're good to go ?D Dec 22 17:45:13 browsers have various interesting ways of picking filenames Dec 22 17:50:24 E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing? Dec 22 17:50:24 E: Unable to install maemo-sdk-dev on CHINOOK_X86 target. Dec 22 17:50:24 E: Please check the sources.list for errors. Dec 22 17:50:59 is possible to mirror repository.maemo.org ? Dec 22 17:51:02 did gps acquisition improve on the n810? Dec 22 17:51:20 anyone have any idea what to do? Dec 22 17:51:23 L0cutus: it takes a lot of space Dec 22 17:51:30 >>7gb when i last tried :( Dec 22 17:51:32 no prob. Dec 22 17:51:47 after all it only for the first download Dec 22 17:52:09 dicer42: thread on itT has details on passkey locations... Dec 22 17:52:17 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13192&highlight=daughter Dec 22 17:52:22 timelyx, what i need to do it ? Dec 22 17:52:30 L0cutus: i'm just using wget Dec 22 17:52:34 and it's moderately flaky Dec 22 17:52:58 so i can keep the entire mirror on my tablet :-) Dec 22 17:53:14 you have a tablet that has >8gb of space on it? Dec 22 17:53:21 yes, 16gb Dec 22 17:53:37 (the external one) Dec 22 17:55:53 i've also put a little permanent magnet on the back sensor just to be careful about the internal sd integrity (if the sensor is the problem :) Dec 22 18:04:52 uff Dec 22 18:05:15 my free disk space is going low... Dec 22 18:05:20 10mb free... Dec 22 18:05:26 (on n800) Dec 22 18:08:33 77mb Dec 22 18:08:41 what the hell do you have installed Dec 22 18:11:07 fnordianslip: thanks! Thats exactly what I was looking for. I now just need to figure out how to copy those over to the other device. But that should be easy. Thx again Dec 22 18:11:19 np Dec 22 18:12:04 took me a while to find it, but keyword search for "daughter" paid off, surprisingly Dec 22 18:12:23 how do I change the default editor? Dec 22 18:16:39 yeah, I was searching for a while there too but couldnt find anything. I was already wondering about your search term :-) Dec 22 18:17:52 just remembered the guy talking about his daughter's AP Dec 22 18:18:05 good memory then! Dec 22 18:18:19 full of useless stuff though Dec 22 18:22:00 yeah! It actually worked to migrate the data! woohoo Dec 22 18:22:12 oool Dec 22 18:22:18 I think I'll do an wiki entry on that one Dec 22 18:22:23 cool even Dec 22 18:22:45 probably some people out there who do not want to backup/restore from there 770 to 800... Dec 22 18:22:58 * timelyx just cats the files from /var/lib/gconf/ ... Dec 22 18:23:04 * timelyx uses lots of tab completion to get there Dec 22 18:23:24 gconftool --dump /system/osso/connectivity/IAP > /media/mmc1/iap.backup Dec 22 18:23:34 any news on repository.maemo.org ? Dec 22 18:23:44 gconftool --load=/media/... Dec 22 18:23:45 FunkyPenguin: it's responsive now :) Dec 22 18:24:04 i'm getting ~5M/s for some files from some point on the cdn Dec 22 18:24:06 really? i hadn't noticed Dec 22 18:24:14 really? i'll try again, chaving major issues trying to install canola2 Dec 22 18:24:40 and i cant eben re-install canola1 as an interim solution :( Dec 22 18:24:43 10:23:42 (4.47 MB/s) - `repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/k/kernel-source-rx-34/kernel-source-rx-34_2.6.21.0.orig.tar.gz' saved [55849443/55849443] Dec 22 18:25:12 I still get "Installation file corrupted" on most of the files Dec 22 18:25:30 Dicer42: that's exactly the same for me Dec 22 18:26:07 well, i have a canola2_2.0.0~beta1-maemo.1_all.deb Dec 22 18:27:42 I get "zip: invalid magic" and GPG errors Dec 22 18:27:46 FunkyPenguin: At least I can refresh my application list now. Dec 22 18:27:58 That didnt work half an hour ago Dec 22 18:28:05 yep, apt-get update works; apt-get install anything still doesn't Dec 22 18:28:41 i get those errors in apt-get update Dec 22 18:28:51 wget shows me a 199-byte long text/html file instead of a 400kb-long deb Dec 22 18:29:13 has aisleriot been ported? Dec 22 18:30:17 mgedmin: now get appmgr / apt to add a ?kitten to the end of each url fetched and you're all set :) Dec 22 18:30:40 sp3000: it works!!!! Dec 22 18:31:56 what works? tell me! tell me! i haven't sen anything work for ages. Dec 22 18:32:20 in scratchbox: apt-get install whatever --print-uris Dec 22 18:32:26 then wget http://.../?kitten Dec 22 18:32:36 then mv file.deb?kitten /var/cache/apt/archives/file.deb Dec 22 18:32:38 cunning Dec 22 18:32:44 then apt-get install foo again Dec 22 18:32:49 kittens are Dec 22 18:32:59 ouch Dec 22 18:33:05 /scratchbox/tools/bin/chown: changing ownership of `/var/lib/gconf': Operation not permitted Dec 22 18:33:13 can't install gconf2 Dec 22 18:33:27 * mgedmin retries with fakeroot Dec 22 18:33:30 did you just forget to fakeroot? Dec 22 18:33:35 yup, that I did Dec 22 18:35:13 funny qt4 apps working :) Dec 22 18:35:15 need more Dec 22 18:35:42 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DC051CSYsPM psx4all running on ipod touch Dec 22 18:36:10 really... i MUST boot from mmc... Dec 22 18:36:27 no more space on internal flash... Dec 22 18:36:47 did you install ooo? :D Dec 22 18:37:06 anyone know how to get canola1? im happy to use that till i can install v2 Dec 22 18:37:18 the repo errors out :( Dec 22 18:37:37 how do you change the default editor? Dec 22 18:37:42 at the command line Dec 22 18:37:46 sp3000, skype,gizmo etc... Dec 22 18:38:04 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoUlONqxvKQ better demo on iphone Dec 22 18:40:56 nice Dec 22 18:43:09 can we somehow make apt-get add an extra ? to the url so we can use the maemo repo? Dec 22 18:43:23 wouldn't want to have to dl all packages manually Dec 22 18:44:58 especially since i don't even have wget installed! Dec 22 18:46:12 what repo should wget be in btw? Dec 22 18:46:23 luckily for me, wget is preinstalled in scratchbox Dec 22 18:50:37 I wonder if you could replace /usr/lib/apt/methods/http with a wrapper script Dec 22 18:51:10 why are the python debs in maemo extras corrupted? Dec 22 18:51:27 dick-richardson: it's nothing specific to them Dec 22 18:51:51 some portion of debs are cached badly in places apparently Dec 22 18:52:10 how does that method work Dec 22 18:52:29 how does it take arguments Dec 22 18:52:36 run it :) Dec 22 18:53:03 i did, but i can't figure it out! Dec 22 18:53:55 lnx^: want the missing debs? Dec 22 18:54:02 sp3000: any idea how long that'll take to fix? Dec 22 18:54:11 no Dec 22 18:54:45 dick-richardson: we don't even know people who know how to fix them Dec 22 18:54:53 and there doesn't seem to be any ui for reporting the problem :) Dec 22 18:55:01 ouch! Dec 22 18:55:07 well, you could file a bug in repositories, but i filed one of those, and it isn't fixed yet :) Dec 22 18:55:10 and mine's simple :) Dec 22 18:55:14 and evil :) Dec 22 18:56:09 http://youtube.com/watch?v=GxN3DmFZXF0 Pandora mockup video Dec 22 19:00:02 solmumaha: would be appreciated. where are we supposed to get wget from, it's not in any of the default repos AFAIK Dec 22 19:00:52 i don't remember where i got nano and wget from for os2007, but i have the feeling they were in the default repos Dec 22 19:02:01 lnx^: http://gronmayer.com/it/ lists it on few repos Dec 22 19:08:51 ah, so we just have to use the bora repository.. Dec 22 19:09:55 * mgedmin has copies of wget for mistral and bora at http://mg.pov.lt/770/wget.install Dec 22 19:15:10 ok Dec 22 19:15:32 if people want to experiment with a broken copy of repository.maemo.org or mxr.maemo.org Dec 22 19:16:06 echo 66.33.212.254 mxr.maemo.org repository.maemo.org >> /etc/hosts Dec 22 19:17:29 oh no Dec 22 19:18:54 Time to set up your firewall, eh? ;) Dec 22 19:20:59 he's got time...l33t h4x0rs don't wake up until 3p Dec 22 19:22:22 if you get your ip from your isp via dhcp, just plug your modem into a switch and the switch into whatever your modem's plugged into now Dec 22 19:22:36 new mac address = new assigned ip address Dec 22 19:25:56 just change the mac.. Dec 22 19:26:00 doable with most drivers Dec 22 19:26:03 even in windows Dec 22 19:26:29 glass_: even easier Dec 22 19:26:54 oops Dec 22 19:27:05 * sp3000 tries to fork-bomb himself Dec 22 19:27:41 sp3000: done that a few times :D Dec 22 19:28:07 basically -- when writing a wrapper for something, call the real thing in the wrapper, not the wrapper :) Dec 22 19:29:07 hmmmm.... isnt os08 backwards compatible with os07? Dec 22 19:30:14 Cptnodegard: depends...what are you having problems with? Dec 22 19:30:15 Not always. Dec 22 19:31:19 nothign as i havent gotten my IT yet. but im reading through ITT, and people are talking about something called a repository which from what i can tell is a online application server or something, and one person commented "most of the apps available for 07 is available for 08", which lead me to believe the apps had to be recompiled or something Dec 22 19:31:39 They often have. Dec 22 19:32:48 did someone manage to write the wrapper yet? Dec 22 19:32:57 being used to the PSP scene, the whole idea of updating the OS to be automatically sounds like something that will take a lot of work and might brick the whole thing. havent used anything linux before so trying to read up, but its a lot to go through Dec 22 19:33:34 Cptnodegard: nah, anything that bricks the device is found and fixed before it'd be released to beta Dec 22 19:33:48 ah ic Dec 22 19:34:16 actually, come to think of it...anyone hear of a bricked tablet? Dec 22 19:34:20 looking for a beginners guide to all of this, but so far unsuccsessful wtih the exception of a few threads with tips on what to do, just not how to do it xD Dec 22 19:34:32 Cptnodegard: what do you want to do? Dec 22 19:34:49 dick-richardson, nothing that couldn't be solved with a reflash. Dec 22 19:35:05 halley: yeah, that's what I rather figured Dec 22 19:35:27 dick-richardson, which is what a true "brick" means (unlike the iPhone people who think "bricked" means "erased my contact list") Dec 22 19:35:36 these corrupted debs make me grumpy. I can't download my podcasts on my tablet directly :/ Dec 22 19:35:50 halley: lol! Dec 22 19:36:39 hm, I thought "brick" means "even a reflash can't fix it without specialized hardware" Dec 22 19:36:51 mgedmin, that's what I'm saying Dec 22 19:37:14 well as i said, havent gotten my n800 yet. guess it will be here some time after christmas, trying to read up on what i should do with the thing - but with the capabilites of this thing its a bit overwhelming. the whole os07/os08 thing i see is something that just came out, and being used to both my psp and my mp3 player's rather creepy firmware updates that might or might not kill the whole thing, im trying to find out if installing the new os Dec 22 19:37:38 brick means a hardware thing has broken software so it can only be used as paperweight :) Dec 22 19:37:42 Cptnodegard: if doesn't come w/os2008, I'd put it on Dec 22 19:38:20 n800 will not be imaged instream to ship with os2008, I expect Dec 22 19:38:23 lnx^: meh, mangling apt's http method's input through sed -u 's/^\(URI: .*\)$/\1?cheese/' gives me E: Method gave invalid 200 URI Start message Dec 22 19:38:24 then hang around here and read up at itt...you'll find something you want to do Dec 22 19:38:32 so I dunno Dec 22 19:38:41 Cptnodegard: the n800 is a full-up linux computer, just very small with a touchscreen Dec 22 19:38:43 (also bb sed doesn't have -u so that just stalls) Dec 22 19:38:50 i see that gnumeric doesnt seem to work on os08, i'd be very happy if i could have ms excel files on it seeing i study economics, and fro what i could find out gnumeric is the only choice Dec 22 19:39:04 it manages it's OS (firrmware) and applications with a user interface application... Dec 22 19:39:20 ..or geeky command line instructions to update, install and remove Dec 22 19:39:34 just as any other linux distribution works Dec 22 19:39:42 so installing os08 is not scary for a total IT and linux noob like me? :) Dec 22 19:39:53 It's not os08, it's os2008 Dec 22 19:39:56 the OS platform is a trimmed down linux distro called Maemo Dec 22 19:40:10 yeah i know im just lazy xD Dec 22 19:40:11 Cptnodegard: no Dec 22 19:40:20 ol_schoola: not exactly Dec 22 19:40:28 since maemo doesn't like being written in uppercase :) Dec 22 19:40:32 os2007 would be like Fedora 7 and os2008 is like Fedora 8, Dec 22 19:40:33 and it doesn't really know what it is :) Dec 22 19:40:50 ever used a linux computer :s *hides* Dec 22 19:41:11 'tis a learning experience, especially for a non-programmer Dec 22 19:41:27 Cptnodegard: you will be Dec 22 19:41:36 *never Dec 22 19:41:59 no need to jide, tho. for good practice, take an old mobo and HD and hobble together an Ubuntu or Fedora machine if you like to tinker and learn Dec 22 19:43:13 the wiki at Maemo is incredibly stale with references to older OS releases and mostly uses the 770 tablet as it's base Dec 22 19:43:21 being more into the mp3 player world, im used to constantly repeating myself to noobs who asks q's that to me are stupid questions... so im hesitant to do the same when im noob at something, but there is just so much to get into with these it's Dec 22 19:43:26 very confusing to a new n800 or n810 owner Dec 22 19:43:36 ol_schoola: the wiki should allow edits Dec 22 19:43:53 an editable wiki!? Dec 22 19:44:02 sp3000: strange concept, eh? Dec 22 19:44:05 * timelyx doesn't believe in them Dec 22 19:44:19 it does, and i should, but i've had a heck of a time just trying to get this thing up to proper 2008 Dec 22 19:44:19 lol Dec 22 19:44:20 otoh, i just watched the mrs. clause Dec 22 19:44:41 sp3000: can you try adding that line to your /etc/hosts? Dec 22 19:44:49 i need some advice on fixing up the mxr.maemo.org root page :) Dec 22 19:44:55 the fact that so much of the useful needed info is constantly jumbling about in the forums at iTT just drives me batty Dec 22 19:45:33 timelyx: i'm now a reflash king, i'll try anything. do you have some kind of r.m.o repo mirror up? Dec 22 19:46:05 is it just me or should a chinook scratchbox NOT contain bora repositories in /etc/apt/sources.list? Dec 22 19:46:24 the VMware SDK I downloaded refers to bora in all the chinook targets Dec 22 19:46:47 ol_schoola: yeah. but i wouldn't guarantee reliability Dec 22 19:46:53 aspiers: yeah...there seems to NOT be a clear delineation between bora and chinook in the repos Dec 22 19:46:55 if you want to experiment with it, you can Dec 22 19:47:13 of course, you'll need to be root once Dec 22 19:47:21 and becoming root atm is probably "hard" :) Dec 22 19:47:22 im surprised these tablets arent more popular... i first ever knew about them yesterday, was browsing the winter sale of a online store when i tripped over a very weird looking phone :P after a few google hits i realized the n800 wasnt a phone and lashed out the money for it instantly. i dont get the hype with eee pc, this thign does the same for half the price Dec 22 19:47:23 dick-richardson: chinook sources.list doesn't even contain *any* references to chinook repos Dec 22 19:47:38 timelyx: no guarantees? what??? Dec 22 19:47:47 timelyx: 66.33.212.254 mxr.maemo.org repository.maemo.org? Dec 22 19:47:50 aspiers: mine doesn't either Dec 22 19:47:55 jk, i'm all ears. just echo that line into my hosts file? Dec 22 19:48:02 yeah Dec 22 19:48:06 dick-richardson: and you've successfully built stuff that has dependencies despite that? Dec 22 19:48:47 aspiers: yep. except gpodder...but that's because the debs are corrupt Dec 22 19:48:52 Cptnodegard: The "half the price" thing is fairly recent. Dec 22 19:49:00 ok...horse is dead now Dec 22 19:49:17 sorry for the FAQ - but why *are* the r.m.o debs broken? Dec 22 19:49:42 dick-richardson: I'm building emacs-snapshot-gtk, and it wants texinfo which is only in chinook Dec 22 19:49:53 ah Dec 22 19:50:01 aspiers: r.m.o has a CDN which seems to have run into glitches building up its copies Dec 22 19:50:11 well the n810 is fairly new from what i can tell so the n800 is an older model Dec 22 19:50:13 at least, that's the best we can surmise Dec 22 19:50:26 although if its true the n810 doesnt have two sdhc slots, that is kinda... odd Dec 22 19:50:37 Cptnodegard: it's prettier Dec 22 19:50:37 Cptnodegard: the n810 is about a month old and the n800 is from mid january Dec 22 19:50:46 Well, I could only ever get one to work reliably on my N800 anyway, so no big loss. Dec 22 19:50:46 timelyx: and Nokia folks manage that and they're all on vacation? Dec 22 19:51:02 aspiers: i really don't understand how it's working Dec 22 19:51:09 and i really shouldn't speak for them Dec 22 19:51:19 aspiers: if you have complaints, please call Nokia Care Dec 22 19:51:35 timelyx: I don't have any complaints Dec 22 19:51:44 http://www.nokia.com.au/A4521196 (?) Dec 22 19:52:01 gah, that page requires flash! Dec 22 19:52:07 are there any r.m.o mirrors I can use? Dec 22 19:52:20 derf: sdhc cards? didnt know there was any compatability issues Dec 22 19:52:46 aspiers: r.m.o is fronted (?) by akamai (CDN) Dec 22 19:52:57 Not compatibility... I think the internal slot on my N800 is just loose. Dec 22 19:52:58 mirroring r.m.o seems to require >>8gb of space Dec 22 19:53:09 Every time I take the cover off the card is already half-falling out of it. Dec 22 19:53:47 ah good. i love how cheap 8GB sdhc cards are lately... guess 16GB will drop a lot over the next motnhs as well Dec 22 19:53:51 derf, so the locking slide thing slides back on its own or something? Dec 22 19:53:57 i don't know of anyone else really trying, as long as you only need some limited portion of chinook, i'm trying to build a copy of it, Dec 22 19:54:08 timelyx: I only need the texinfo .deb Dec 22 19:54:26 aspiers: find the url, add a ?foopy on the tail, download Dec 22 19:55:20 found it: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/t/texinfo/ Dec 22 19:55:38 sp3000: not sure which URL you meant? Dec 22 19:55:53 aspiers, that of the deb you want Dec 22 19:56:30 sp3000: what does ?foopy do? Dec 22 19:56:32 sp3000: oddly, that didn't seem to work when i tried it Dec 22 19:56:36 how long does os2007 to os2008 update take, btw? Dec 22 19:56:42 aspiers: in theory it forces the server not to use a bad cached version of the file Dec 22 19:56:51 Cptnodegard: 30 seconds? Dec 22 19:57:00 timelyx: ah ok, so the value of the query string is unimportant Dec 22 19:57:05 lol Dec 22 19:57:06 thx Dec 22 19:57:18 reading about some guy who bricked his n800 during update, hes talking about 180 minuts Dec 22 19:57:33 aspiers: yeah, if it works :) Dec 22 19:57:56 Resolving repository.maemo.org... failed: Host not found. Dec 22 19:58:19 heh Dec 22 19:58:24 um, "that's bad" :) Dec 22 19:58:25 repository.maemo.org is an alias for repository.maemo.org.edgesuite.net. Dec 22 19:58:25 repository.maemo.org.edgesuite.net is an alias for a515.g.akamai.net. Dec 22 19:58:25 a515.g.akamai.net has address 217.212.252.80 Dec 22 19:58:25 a515.g.akamai.net has address 217.212.252.70 Dec 22 19:58:26 :P Dec 22 19:58:29 working fine Dec 22 19:58:36 a515.g.akamai.net has address 84.45.224.23 Dec 22 19:58:36 a515.g.akamai.net has address 84.45.224.16 Dec 22 19:58:37 but those .debs are still broken :P Dec 22 19:58:51 Anyone know if there still is a 256 color xterm available, and if so, where to get it or how to use it? I've seen this post, but if the color support is in the current package, vim isn't taking advantage of it at least, and I don't know what else to test with. http://inz.fi/blog/category/geeky/maemo/maemo-hackers/osso-xterm/ Dec 22 19:58:53 resolves differently here, but I still get host not found Dec 22 19:59:19 Err, uh, this post rather: http://inz.fi/blog/2007/05/15/osso-xterm-with-256-color-support/ Dec 22 19:59:20 GreySim: have you tried changing TERM ? Dec 22 19:59:28 No! No I haven't. Thank you. :) Dec 22 20:00:03 timelyx: soo what do you need wrt 66... Dec 22 20:00:23 sp3000: advice :) Dec 22 20:00:29 like, how to reorganize the left column :) Dec 22 20:01:22 atm it's really eclectic :( Dec 22 20:01:43 should i switch to a table? Dec 22 20:01:51 steri: I just managed to download the .deb I need - in what way will it be broken? Dec 22 20:01:54 (-moz-columns: isn't really available) Dec 22 20:03:07 hrm... it probably shouldn't say landfill on mxr.maemo, eh? :) Dec 22 20:03:44 hmm, wget works fine from outside the scratchbox Dec 22 20:04:14 aspiers: afaik when I try to install canola2 it whines broken package and someone said at it's python which is broken Dec 22 20:05:54 timelyx: i get a r.m.o host not found even after adding to the host file as per above Dec 22 20:06:22 * aspiers installs wireshark to see what's really going on Dec 22 20:06:36 ol_schoola: my echo? Dec 22 20:06:56 timelyx: correct Dec 22 20:07:15 yep, still it... "installation file corrupted" Dec 22 20:07:33 the n800 has USB host? miniusb? Dec 22 20:07:45 steri: it s only the repository which is overloaded Dec 22 20:08:28 no it's not... i can install alot other apps and I can even access it with browser without lag Dec 22 20:08:29 i found that canola is a bit slow ... Dec 22 20:08:44 i ve the same thing many times Dec 22 20:08:47 if you lookt the topic | repository.maemo.org debs are broken Dec 22 20:08:49 i had Dec 22 20:09:03 timelyx: you could use magic to only show some roots based on http host? Dec 22 20:09:13 and this night at 3pm ... it had worked Dec 22 20:09:16 sp3000: yeah, i can Dec 22 20:09:22 i'll do that shortly Dec 22 20:09:57 timelyx: another would be, copy the sidebar content into the normal part, shrink explanations from sidebar and link to them as anchors below Dec 22 20:10:16 but I'm not sure if that'd rellay help find stuff Dec 22 20:10:20 rellay! Dec 22 20:10:41 it's just a lot of content :) Dec 22 20:12:49 Khertan: slow in what sense? Dec 22 20:13:36 Khertan: visually/feel slow? Takes too long to do something? Slow video playback? Dec 22 20:13:48 gui ... slow visual Dec 22 20:14:01 transition is not fluid Dec 22 20:14:13 i can see lag ... Dec 22 20:14:17 which screen? Dec 22 20:14:21 and this without anything Dec 22 20:14:36 was it ok before and now it's bad? Dec 22 20:14:45 main -> audio Dec 22 20:14:57 k-s[AWAY]: i haven't use canola before ... Dec 22 20:15:07 this 2.0 beta version Dec 22 20:15:20 Khertan: we know that the first time you do that it's a bit slow, but others shouldn't Dec 22 20:15:37 (first time after you start canola, but this repeats if you restart canola) Dec 22 20:15:38 Khertan: overload has nothing to do with "libdownloadmanager0_0.1.0-maemo.1_armel.deb Size mismatch" :P Dec 22 20:15:44 hum ... first time after launch ? of the first first time :) Dec 22 20:16:06 first time after launch Dec 22 20:16:34 this is because I load all plugins for sub-screens at this point Dec 22 20:16:56 hum ... i found that it s a bit annoying too that the fullscreen button doesn't work :) Dec 22 20:16:58 ie: load the plugin that implement podcast, local music, photocast, local picture, ... Dec 22 20:17:07 arf of course Dec 22 20:17:18 Khertan: it work on screens that implement fullscreen, like picture or video Dec 22 20:17:23 Aha, found my problem, vim wasn't using it because you have to set t_Co=256 for it to pick up the colors. Dec 22 20:17:29 ok Dec 22 20:17:35 Thanks guys. Dec 22 20:17:50 does cover should be download automatically ? Dec 22 20:17:57 or there is an option somewhere ? Dec 22 20:18:09 ugh, scratchbox doesn't even have host/nslookup/ping ?! Dec 22 20:18:12 Khertan: [+]/[-] buttons are also just working on video/audio player, we'll make them always control the volume in next version Dec 22 20:18:28 Khertan: check ITT, we wrote about it there already :-) Dec 22 20:18:39 oups sorry ;) Dec 22 20:18:45 :-) Dec 22 20:18:52 lots of info/discussion there Dec 22 20:18:56 It better only control volume when the media app is active. Dec 22 20:19:06 Khertan: can you confirm that now it's fast when you click Main->Audio? Dec 22 20:19:27 yes it fast after loaded a first time :) Dec 22 20:19:30 halley: when you're viewing an slideshow, would be good to change the volume Dec 22 20:19:35 If I'm using a mapper or website, +/- are for zooming. Dec 22 20:19:41 Khertan: it's my bad, I'll fix it in January Dec 22 20:19:58 halley: ah! sure! inside canola I mean Dec 22 20:20:07 halley: we have no access to other apps Dec 22 20:20:50 k-s[AWAY]: you have make too many plugin ... just make one to read wav file only ;) Dec 22 20:21:18 Khertan: ? Dec 22 20:21:41 in fact i ven't use canola1 because i ven't like it. but Canola 2 is a great app ... the better app writted in python i ve seen Dec 22 20:21:46 you mean detect wav files? I wrote one for LightMediaScanner (used by Canola), just need to package and ship :-) Dec 22 20:21:50 k-s[AWAY]: a bad joke Dec 22 20:22:00 ah :-D Dec 22 20:22:16 i mean first time is slow due to many plugin ... so let s only one ... it ll be fast :) Dec 22 20:22:25 Khertan: about python apps, are you kidding, lots of great apps are in python ;-) Dec 22 20:22:33 Khertan: I see Dec 22 20:22:39 Khertan: :-) Dec 22 20:22:39 k-s[AWAY]: hum ? what app ? Dec 22 20:23:03 Khertan: lots of web apps, like youtube Dec 22 20:23:36 Khertan: also apps like eric3/4 (IDE editor), freevo (pvr) Dec 22 20:23:37 k-s[AWAY]: for me youtube isn't a good example :) Dec 22 20:23:52 * aspiers finally gets scratchbox to apt-get update - /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf was broken for some weird reason Dec 22 20:24:02 it usually is Dec 22 20:24:04 blender is part python, part c++ Dec 22 20:24:28 ah i don't know for blender ... :) Dec 22 20:24:35 but it vent a nice gui :) Dec 22 20:24:55 but thanks for thinking canola is great python app :-) Dec 22 20:25:08 /s/vent/haven't Dec 22 20:25:10 maybe we should request python to publish an article about it? ;-) Dec 22 20:25:37 mgedmin: resolv.conf is usually broken? Dec 22 20:25:38 i ven't look yet into the code ... but i think you should Dec 22 20:25:46 yes Dec 22 20:25:49 why? Dec 22 20:26:03 INdT want to have more people writing Python+EFL apps, it's a good combination! Dec 22 20:26:08 and one more thing ... why using a daemon to parse file ? Dec 22 20:26:08 I think scratchbox copies the real /etc/resolv.conf (produced by your dhcp client) into /scratchbox/etc Dec 22 20:26:15 and then you move to a different LAN and your copy stops working Dec 22 20:26:25 Khertan: guess how many guys and time we needed to write Canola2 Dec 22 20:26:36 the app itself, not fixing bugs with platform and like Dec 22 20:26:40 mgedmin: nope, my sb resolv.conf was broken precisely because it *wasn't* the same as the real one Dec 22 20:26:47 I prefer to install dnsmasq and echo nameserver 127.0.0.1 > /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf Dec 22 20:26:52 k-s[AWAY]: if they need python programmer in france ... it ll interest me :) Dec 22 20:27:05 aspiers: my theory is that it once was, but then the real one changed Dec 22 20:27:55 * Khertan think that he need to upload the 2.0 version of pygtkeditor ... with python-gtksourceview binding Dec 22 20:27:55 mgedmin: I think resolv.conf is generated at install time, so if you change networks, it breaks Dec 22 20:28:00 baaah Dec 22 20:28:04 that's what I think too Dec 22 20:28:07 mgedmin: nope it was looking at some bizarre 172.x.x.x address which is nothing to do with any network I've used Dec 22 20:28:18 anyone have working copy of this file? libdownloadmanager0_0.1.0-maemo.1_armel.deb Dec 22 20:28:26 172.16.x.x is one of the reserved ranges for LANs Dec 22 20:28:30 I originally had the VM interface as NAT then changed to bridged Dec 22 20:28:32 like 192.168.x.x Dec 22 20:28:36 mgedmin: I know Dec 22 20:28:42 oh, vmware Dec 22 20:29:05 my vmware setup does not use 172.x.x.x anywhere Dec 22 20:29:13 steri: are you trying to download it from repository.maemo.org and failing? Dec 22 20:29:30 yea Dec 22 20:29:30 you can step around the broken caching proxy servers by appending ?something to the URL Dec 22 20:29:35 size mismatch Dec 22 20:29:40 * mgedmin nods Dec 22 20:30:02 does someone use pygtkeditor here ? Dec 22 20:30:06 Hi.. somebody can send me a complete chinook sources.list file ? Dec 22 20:30:33 crafton: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2621 Dec 22 20:30:36 oups Dec 22 20:30:37 Excellent. My "send URL to tablet" method seems to be working :-) Dec 22 20:30:43 crafton: http://www.gronmayer.com/it Dec 22 20:32:08 Jaffa: nice Dec 22 20:32:15 thanks.. my problem was that i have some duplicated repositories.. but now i read how fix it, thanks again Khertan Dec 22 20:39:33 gaah, every single package grom repo...maemo.org whines about that size mismatch.. it takes a week for me to install canola2 :( Dec 22 20:39:56 at least you got it installed Dec 22 20:40:02 failed at every attempt Dec 22 20:40:11 it's not installed yet Dec 22 20:40:17 so i do what i do when shit gets on my nerves..... Dec 22 20:40:21 say fuck it Dec 22 20:40:26 is it only ARMEL .debs with size mismatch? I am happily installing stuff into i386 scratchbox Dec 22 20:40:49 unique311 chinook too Dec 22 20:40:54 humm the repos still down ? Dec 22 20:41:32 well i only tried installing canola2 with the new update. Dec 22 20:41:50 from application manager i get package corrupted error Dec 22 20:42:03 from the terminal i get size mismatch. Dec 22 20:43:30 does anyone actually know what is being done to fix the repo's and/or what is the process involved in fixing them ? Dec 22 20:44:22 Canola installed fine for me using this Repo Dec 22 20:44:23 Name: Chatonka Canola Repo (TEMPORARY) Dec 22 20:44:23 Web address: http://blog.chatonka.com/Canola Dec 22 20:44:23 Distribution: chinook Dec 22 20:44:23 Components: testing Dec 22 20:44:39 this is canola2? Dec 22 20:44:45 yep, Beta Dec 22 20:44:48 cool Dec 22 20:44:49 thanks Dec 22 20:44:52 np Dec 22 20:45:05 What means size mismatch error? Dec 22 20:45:15 disable other Repos when you install, especially "Extras" Dec 22 20:45:57 will grab the Python bits you need too, from same place Dec 22 20:46:27 crafton: it means that there's some sort of a proxy server between you and repository.maemo.org that serves cached HTML error pages instead of real packages Dec 22 20:47:23 sp3000: reload? Dec 22 20:48:42 Wow.. true. if I acces the file mismatching.. there's a big body HTML saying.. "The service is temporarily unavailable. We are very sorry for the inconvinience it may cause." Dec 22 20:49:09 This means, there's a part of the repos still down Dec 22 20:49:18 sucks, doesn't it? :) Dec 22 20:50:49 crafton: example of a file that is not working for you ? Dec 22 20:50:50 thanks mardi_ Dec 22 20:50:53 installed Dec 22 20:51:13 oh.... akamai serves up repository.m.o Dec 22 20:51:17 example: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/p/pygame/python2.5-pygame_1.7.1-1osso1_armel.deb Dec 22 20:51:43 crafton: works for me here Dec 22 20:51:46 try this Dec 22 20:52:45 actually, you cant try that :D Dec 22 20:52:58 you cant hit the ip directly Dec 22 20:53:11 but, maybe you can fudge something into /etc/hosts Dec 22 20:53:19 and have it only hit the one machine that is actually working fine Dec 22 20:54:11 don't worry.. i'll retry later. I only was trying to install kagu. But well, can wait. Dec 22 20:54:44 timelyx: yeah, seems to be working Dec 22 20:55:04 humm Dec 22 20:55:20 [kbsingh@zafarnama ~]$ host repository.maemo.org Dec 22 20:55:20 repository.maemo.org is an alias for repository.maemo.org.edgesuite.net. Dec 22 20:55:20 repository.maemo.org.edgesuite.net is an alias for a515.g.akamai.net. Dec 22 20:55:20 a515.g.akamai.net has address 84.53.134.199 Dec 22 20:55:20 a515.g.akamai.net has address 84.53.134.207 Dec 22 20:55:33 hi, I have a problem with my new N800. i can't start it anymore Dec 22 20:55:35 and both of them seem to be working fine for me at the moent Dec 22 20:55:53 can somebody help me? Dec 22 20:56:02 crafton: which part of the world are you in ? from a machine, try doing 'host repository.maemo.org' and see what ip's you get Dec 22 20:56:32 ok. I'm in Spain. gonna try it. Dec 22 20:56:33 Locutus6711: what happens when you do what? Dec 22 20:57:15 I have switched it off and now it did nothing, when i hold the startbutton Dec 22 20:57:28 only black screen Dec 22 20:57:31 crafton: does http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/p/pygame/python2.5-pygame_1.7.1-1osso1_armel.deb?meh work for you? Dec 22 20:57:42 * sp3000 is curious since it either does or doesn't, apparently Dec 22 20:57:57 sp3000: i think it depends on which unhappy server you get Dec 22 20:58:02 mine is a "doesn't" :) Dec 22 20:58:08 Locutus6711: try removing the battery? Dec 22 20:58:13 yes Dec 22 20:58:17 nothing Dec 22 20:58:24 timelyx: 'host repository.maemo.org' ? Dec 22 20:58:28 plug in the charger? Dec 22 20:58:29 bang it around a bit Dec 22 20:58:32 yes Dec 22 20:58:34 kbsingh: 84.53.177.34 and 84.53.177.18 Dec 22 20:58:40 repository.maemo.org.edgesuite.net CNAME a515.g.akamai.net Dec 22 20:58:45 i tried with the charger, nothing Dec 22 20:58:47 a515.g.akamai.net A 128.241.220.80 Dec 22 20:58:47 a515.g.akamai.net A 128.241.220.87 Dec 22 20:59:32 * sp3000 has repository.maemo.org.edgesuite.net. a515.g.akamai.net. 212.23.59.16 212.23.59.7 Dec 22 20:59:37 crafton: try this, : sudo ' echo "84.53.134.199 repository.maemo.org" > /etc/hosts ' Dec 22 20:59:44 crafton: you need to get the quotes right Dec 22 21:00:03 timelyx: you try that as well, the .199 machine is indeed working fine for me, for that python deb Dec 22 21:00:08 kbsingh: erm, do you want to overwrite hosts? Dec 22 21:00:13 The device is absolutly new, i have switched it on for the first time 5 hours ago Dec 22 21:00:13 err Dec 22 21:00:23 s/>/>>/ Dec 22 21:00:28 Locutus6711: how did problem start, have you left it charging for a while after removing and replacing the battery Dec 22 21:00:33 yeah um > is a *Bad* idea Dec 22 21:00:46 especially, on os x where supposedly it'll break the world :) Dec 22 21:00:46 timelyx: really ? you have much in the hosts file ? Dec 22 21:01:04 # Host Database Dec 22 21:01:04 # Dec 22 21:01:04 # localhost is used to configure the loopback interface Dec 22 21:01:04 # when the system is booting. Do not change this entry. Dec 22 21:01:07 umm.. i'd have thought you were doing this on the device Dec 22 21:01:19 * timelyx shrugs Dec 22 21:01:26 the echo command is compatible w/ lots of platforms Dec 22 21:01:34 and i ran an echo command on my mac :) Dec 22 21:02:31 yeah, well use >> in that echo then, and see if it works for you Dec 22 21:02:32 Locutus6711: so has it ever worked, did you leave it charging long enough? Dec 22 21:02:35 First I charged it totally. then I installed some apps and used the webbrowser. then I swiched it off. Replaced the SD-card by a 2GB card and tried to switch it on again Dec 22 21:02:37 might need to refresh the repo metadata once Dec 22 21:02:48 yes Dec 22 21:03:45 Locutus6711: hmm, removed the card you installed etc. and still nothing? Dec 22 21:04:28 yes, i tried to insert the old card again. then i tried with no card. but both didnt work Dec 22 21:04:38 * timelyx frowns Dec 22 21:04:53 sp3000, do symlinks get resolved early or late in execution? Dec 22 21:04:57 * timelyx guesses early :( Dec 22 21:06:23 kbsingh same prolem Dec 22 21:06:40 Locutus6711: thats strange for sure. leave it charging for a while perhap battery was totally flattend by a bad programme running when you thought it was closed Dec 22 21:06:41 mmm... wel well Dec 22 21:07:00 doesn't saved at /etc/hosts Dec 22 21:07:07 gonna write it manually Dec 22 21:07:41 oh good. The os2008 final release breaks usb for my devices. Dec 22 21:08:36 no idea? Dec 22 21:08:38 Locutus6711: sometimes a bad prgramme can flatten battery when you leave it on standby for an hour or two...but normally with charger connected you would see some life and charging on the display etc. Dec 22 21:09:11 crafton: interesting. Dec 22 21:09:30 crafton: when you ping repository.maemo.org you get the ip you just added to /etc/hosts ? Dec 22 21:09:59 when i insert the charger nothing happens Dec 22 21:10:21 yes Dec 22 21:10:39 kbsingh, the same ip, but still can't downloading those files Dec 22 21:10:59 are you behind a proxy perhaps ? Dec 22 21:13:01 Officialy not, I have a cable-modem connection, with ONO, but If i were behind I proxy.. this doesn't surprise me.. they are popular for restricting p2p and some staff Dec 22 21:13:37 Locutus6711: Take it back to shop, you might just be unlucky, cant believe that just changing the SD card hosed your unit? (so it was working prior to changing SD card in external/internal slot) back cover is on etc Dec 22 21:15:08 Is possible that the 84.53.177.18 isn't totally updated between others servers yet? Dec 22 21:15:54 kbsingh: i can concur with crafton . same behavior. no proxy, ping returns ip from host file Dec 22 21:16:06 same happened with timelyx's ip Dec 22 21:16:17 crafton: you dont want .18 Dec 22 21:16:28 the ip you want is : 84.53.134.199 Dec 22 21:16:30 it was the internal slot and back cover is on Dec 22 21:16:44 D'oh! Dec 22 21:16:55 kbsingh: i'm using that with no results Dec 22 21:17:15 ol_schoola: wierd. that machine does work for me just fine Dec 22 21:17:20 really i have .199.. :) Dec 22 21:17:31 at /etc/hosts i habe .199 Dec 22 21:17:35 ah Dec 22 21:18:08 i've never suspected a comcrap proxy before, hmmmm Dec 22 21:18:20 but you should be right... Dec 22 21:18:26 Locutus6711: Charger not working? Dec 22 21:18:34 an apt-get install of problem apps gives me size mismatch Dec 22 21:18:56 i putted .199 but when i did the host repository.ma... got .18 and .34 Dec 22 21:19:02 i can wget the debs using the ?kitten append, tho Dec 22 21:19:05 i gonna change Dec 22 21:19:08 wait Dec 22 21:19:12 Locutus6711: try with another charger? Dec 22 21:19:16 ol_schoola, crafton: AFAIU the proxy is there on the nokia side Dec 22 21:19:24 isn't it? Dec 22 21:20:08 surely they have one, i thought we were trying an end run, must go back and rte-read the logs to see what i missed in this adventure ;) Dec 22 21:20:51 i will try it, i have to search another charger Dec 22 21:21:21 there should'nt really be a proxy, the repo seems to come from akamai servers, which will load spread Dec 22 21:21:25 i DID however get a clean install of battlegweled using the app mgr Dec 22 21:21:26 mgedmin, oficially, am not behind a proxy Dec 22 21:21:47 gotta go.. see you later Dec 22 21:21:51 crafton: the issue is if we are still hitting up against Nokia's proxy Dec 22 21:21:56 crafton: the host command wont use the /etc/hosts by default, so trust ping instead Dec 22 21:24:27 MikeL: I have no other suitable charger Dec 22 21:25:04 would abiword run under maemo? Dec 22 21:25:08 * sp3000 tests something random Dec 22 21:25:17 Locutus6711: Obviously only try it with another compatible charger, was thinking you could go to a mobile shop or something and ask them to let you try a compatible charger. or perhaps a friend has a new Nokia phone with same type of charger. Dec 22 21:25:35 hmm, no, propending your username with label: doesn't get only mail for that label with pop ;) Dec 22 21:25:53 Locutus6711: this is purely to narrow down the problem Dec 22 21:26:05 Where are the logs kept on the n800, /var/log is empty, it has to get dmesg from somplace :-)? Dec 22 21:26:17 yes, but i think it can't be the battery Dec 22 21:26:30 Locutus6711: Why Dec 22 21:26:37 K`zan: dmesg does not come from /var/log/ does it ? Dec 22 21:27:06 dmesg is the kernel log buffer Dec 22 21:27:09 kbsingh: I thought so, but evidentally I am wrong. Dec 22 21:27:11 because I switched it off, when it was still charged and I tried to switch it on only one minute later Dec 22 21:27:36 most of dmesg is normally also put through syslog and diverted either to disk or remote... Dec 22 21:27:52 which brings us back to the original question, where does the n800 hide the logs? Dec 22 21:28:05 you have to install sysklogd Dec 22 21:28:11 in the memory only, I believe Dec 22 21:28:12 by default it hides most of them in /dev/null Dec 22 21:28:13 scp is failing and nothing in dmesg. Dec 22 21:28:29 Sigh. Ok, thanks folks. Dec 22 21:28:29 whats scp got to do with dmesg ???! Dec 22 21:28:39 use scp -v -v -v Dec 22 21:28:40 kbsingh: You tell me? Dec 22 21:28:44 unless you have selinux getting in the way or another kernel level acl :D Dec 22 21:28:55 timelyx: Thanks, appreciate the help! Dec 22 21:29:01 or scp -vvv Dec 22 21:29:38 Locutus6711: Oh well in that case you seem to have no option but to return your device, sorry cant be of more help. Dec 22 21:30:57 yes, i will have to do that. thank you. Dec 22 21:31:01 ok, dinner time! later, i shall try to apt-mirror the repositories to somewhere else. Dec 22 21:32:13 Locutus6711: your welcome Dec 22 21:34:29 sp3000: ok, reload Dec 22 21:34:37 i think i got most of the bugs out of my mxr.maemo Dec 22 21:36:32 oh no. i just brought in Canola2 using the chatonka temp repo. didn't save the log during the install. when r.m.o gets fixed, the depsolver is gonna go nuts when i re-enable the official repos, no? Dec 22 21:37:15 yes Dec 22 21:37:19 you're in trouble Dec 22 21:37:21 crap Dec 22 21:37:25 because updates will not do what you want Dec 22 21:37:31 of course not Dec 22 21:37:34 * FunkyPenguin needs to get canola running - either v1 or v2 Dec 22 21:37:39 the only correct way to use a different repository is make sure it has the same paths Dec 22 21:37:47 and then hack /etc/hosts to lie Dec 22 21:37:50 how are the repos doing? Dec 22 21:38:09 cbx33: same old Dec 22 21:38:09 * ol_schoola bangs head on asker43r8wehdewriy Dec 22 21:38:10 :( Dec 22 21:38:19 sb/keyboard Dec 22 21:38:33 how come the canola1 repo was removed? Dec 22 21:39:39 timelyx: the descriptions for maemo/maemo-all vs garage/garage-all are a bit randomly different Dec 22 21:39:43 * ol_schoola carves "ALWAYS svae the logs" into his forearm Dec 22 21:39:57 sp3000: yeah... pick the best, i'll fix Dec 22 21:39:58 as well as the headings Dec 22 21:40:02 timelyx, did you get your repo setup? Dec 22 21:40:10 cbx33: i think most of it is up Dec 22 21:40:14 you can try it Dec 22 21:40:18 hehe Dec 22 21:40:29 not got my n800 to hand Dec 22 21:40:43 cbx33: use a random scratchbox or fake debian :) Dec 22 21:40:48 heheh Dec 22 21:40:54 timelyx: after I reflash ;) Dec 22 21:40:59 oh timelyx I havn't got my sb box at the moment Dec 22 21:42:14 sp3000: ok, ?dsfkjhk is working :) Dec 22 21:42:57 * timelyx goes to rebrand Dec 22 21:44:44 do any maemo staff hang around in here? Dec 22 21:46:08 infobot seen ferenc Dec 22 21:46:10 ferenc was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 30d 4h 21m 40s ago, saying: 'bye all!'. Dec 22 21:46:12 infobot seen qgil Dec 22 21:46:14 qgil was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 96d 7h 19m 33s ago, saying: 'we have completed the upload and we are doing the last testing before announcing the release'. Dec 22 21:46:20 infobot seen bergie Dec 22 21:46:22 bergie was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 12d 5h 3m 3s ago, saying: 'hi'. Dec 22 21:46:28 infobot seen jake Dec 22 21:46:30 jake was last seen on IRC in channel #norganna, 118d 22h 12m 9s ago, saying: 'any one there'. Dec 22 21:46:37 wrong jake Dec 22 21:47:50 sp3000: *OOPS* Dec 22 21:47:51 so, um Dec 22 21:47:55 symlinks are *bad* Dec 22 21:48:39 o_O Dec 22 21:48:45 http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/flock/ Dec 22 21:48:53 heh Dec 22 21:50:36 ok, um... what do you want changed? :) Dec 22 21:53:14 maemo-all should probably mention the all versions (/tags/branches) thing Dec 22 21:53:48 hmm Dec 22 21:54:18 ... or that Dec 22 21:55:15 someone want to explain what sardine is? :) Dec 22 21:55:21 or chinook for that matter :) Dec 22 22:03:22 ok, i think i have enough of chinook that people should be able to try using my repository Dec 22 22:03:27 be sure to change /etc/hosts Dec 22 22:05:54 timelyx: the links in the mxr directory browse want to put a /mxr-test/ element in the path Dec 22 22:06:56 timelyx: do i need to make any changes to my repo entries in sources or just reroute the dns? Dec 22 22:07:07 ifconfig is on nettools package, no? I'm trying to install nettools, and gets a conflict with busybox :S Dec 22 22:07:16 just reroute dns Dec 22 22:07:21 sp3000: oops, one sec Dec 22 22:07:39 try again Dec 22 22:07:42 timelyx: if the default link for maemo and garage is trunk, what is it for chinook and sardine? (that is, the parentheticals look different) Dec 22 22:08:05 timelyx: how are you setting it up ? apt-mirror ? Dec 22 22:08:08 timelyx: now it ate the host :) Dec 22 22:08:10 also, url :D Dec 22 22:08:18 sp3000: um... Dec 22 22:08:23 timelyx: i.e. I got to http://maemo/source/contrib/ :) Dec 22 22:08:29 kbsingh: wget :) Dec 22 22:08:35 sp3000: hrm... Dec 22 22:09:06 timelyx: humm... that might work, but its not going to do any verify Dec 22 22:09:10 reload Dec 22 22:09:17 kbsingh: yeah, i know Dec 22 22:09:24 it's not really designed as a long term thing Dec 22 22:09:32 or designed at all for that matter :) Dec 22 22:09:32 works Dec 22 22:09:40 http://mxr.maemo.org/icons/folder.gif ? Dec 22 22:09:45 yeah um... Dec 22 22:10:04 one sec Dec 22 22:10:41 oh Dec 22 22:10:42 duh Dec 22 22:11:33 fixed Dec 22 22:11:44 hah! isearch just installed from app mgr, billiant Dec 22 22:11:44 hrm, no, hacked Dec 22 22:12:45 so did maemopadplus Dec 22 22:13:30 ol_schoola: using standard repo, or my clone? Dec 22 22:13:35 apt-get-update gives a 404 not found for r.m.o/extras tho Dec 22 22:13:44 timelyx: whats your clone url ? Dec 22 22:13:58 echo 66.33.212.254 mxr.maemo.org repository.maemo.org >> /etc/hosts Dec 22 22:14:11 timelyx: your clone ... 66.33.212.254 Dec 22 22:14:26 ol_schoola: ok, hold on Dec 22 22:14:29 * timelyx goes to look Dec 22 22:15:10 ol_schoola: what's log say? Dec 22 22:15:15 * timelyx doesn't know what it doesn't like Dec 22 22:15:27 i could check access/error log i suppose Dec 22 22:15:49 Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/chinook/non-free/binary-armel/Packages.gz 404 Not Found Dec 22 22:16:25 hmm, rsync must be in there, not found by app mgr Dec 22 22:16:35 hrm, yeah non-free isn't in dists/, odd Dec 22 22:17:01 gimme a bit to get non-free and install Dec 22 22:17:26 otherwise, it looks good. i'm loading apps like a fool, scummvm just made it Dec 22 22:18:15 this is gonna be one fluster-clucked tablet. built using the chatonka temp and timelyx's hacked repos Dec 22 22:18:15 i can actually try to make a .deb to add / remove my things :) Dec 22 22:18:28 ol_schoola: my repos should be relatively harmless Dec 22 22:18:40 chatonka's otoh is certainly a risk :) Dec 22 22:18:46 as long as you can set the repo metadata live really low, it should be fine Dec 22 22:18:48 i'm not worried bout them, just the chatonka's ;) Dec 22 22:19:02 i think the only risk you get w/ mine is that it suggests a .deb it doesn't have yet Dec 22 22:19:14 and i'll probably add a script that parses logs looking for those and just grabs them :) Dec 22 22:19:38 kbsingh: "set the repo metadata live really low" what does that mean? Dec 22 22:19:38 i might even make it so that there's a button you can press on the server "please fix broken items" :) Dec 22 22:19:55 s/live/life ? Dec 22 22:20:12 ok, non-free should work, give it a whirl? Dec 22 22:20:20 ah, how do i adjust that? i come from redhat world Dec 22 22:20:31 i think that might be a note to me Dec 22 22:20:36 and i wouldn't have a clue :) Dec 22 22:21:18 apt-get update picks it up Dec 22 22:21:34 ok, who wants to be the victim of a .deb? :) Dec 22 22:21:40 this should be loads of fun :) Dec 22 22:21:49 ol_schoola: timelyx isnt using a apt-mirror process, things are going to get very interesting when the real repos come alive and you change over back there Dec 22 22:22:00 kbsingh: why? Dec 22 22:22:04 and the metadata for the same repo, is different with the packages still having the same md5's Dec 22 22:22:05 i'm fully prepared ;) Dec 22 22:22:07 he runs apt-get update Dec 22 22:22:22 shouldn't it fix things up? Dec 22 22:22:30 it should yes Dec 22 22:22:46 but you need to do that, and remember that :D Dec 22 22:22:51 actually, not update Dec 22 22:23:01 regardless, i have umpteen python pkgs from chatonka that are gonna choke the depsolver next time they are a dependency Dec 22 22:23:03 you need to clean it out first, then refresh the entire thing Dec 22 22:23:12 otherwise its going to only look at timestamp and ignore stuff Dec 22 22:23:24 yeah, the stuff from chatonka's going to be a much bigger problem Dec 22 22:23:51 that was my fear. no worries, i'm not afraid to break out the nokia cable and nuke from orbit Dec 22 22:24:17 thaat's gonna upset a lot of Dec 22 22:24:22 timelyx: bring on the .deb! this tablet hasn't keeled over yet Dec 22 22:24:29 sheep from itT Dec 22 22:24:48 fnordianslippers: indeed Dec 22 22:24:57 was the temp repo posted ther? Dec 22 22:25:06 yep Dec 22 22:25:20 oh my. there will be much gnashing and wailing Dec 22 22:25:48 given the number of people involved and the size of the community around maemo now, i am sure there needs to be a more robust mechanism to handle this sort of a thing Dec 22 22:26:07 i resisted the urge out of paranoia, not wisdom Dec 22 22:26:40 um, i think they need to start with A mechanism. what they got doesn't seem to be worthy of that description Dec 22 22:27:25 mechanism implies a complex tool (or series of such) which make a difficult task easier Dec 22 22:27:36 what they have has done the opposite Dec 22 22:28:17 its not really all that difficult Dec 22 22:28:28 the problem has been solved many times, by many people, in many projects Dec 22 22:28:48 oh, well. such is life on the bleeding edge. too bad for all the joe sixpacks that just bought these things and don't even know what a command line is Dec 22 22:29:24 yea Dec 22 22:29:46 * kbsingh thinks of beer Dec 22 22:31:24 true, this is a young project. i remember how scattered the mythtv community was five years ago when i jumped in and how it has evolved to a well oiled machine Dec 22 22:31:43 * ol_schoola refers to the community Dec 22 22:32:30 python = ruby = java = visual basic Dec 22 22:32:58 * pupnik ducks Dec 22 22:33:17 C FTW? Dec 22 22:33:54 s/=/>/ Dec 22 22:33:56 * mgedmin ducks Dec 22 22:33:56 :) furevah! Dec 22 22:33:58 s/=/>/g Dec 22 22:34:51 they all have their place Dec 22 22:35:27 Meh. Java's rich class library, number of other projects and really cool tooling (whether Eclipse, NetBeans, IDEa, or whatever) makes it the "best" platform overall IMHO. But pupnik's right, and I still do most of my hacking in Perl :) Dec 22 22:35:47 is it just my befouled os install or are other people having the app mgr just shit the bed whenever it wants? Dec 22 22:35:50 pupnik: they all do, but people writing apps like mythtv and miro in python deserve to be shot Dec 22 22:36:05 ol_schoola: repository.maemo.org is broken. Dec 22 22:37:01 Jaffa: i'm aware, even with the r.m.o repos disabled, app mgr just craps out for no good reason Dec 22 22:37:21 ol_schoola: ah. Dec 22 22:37:47 ol_schoola: ok Dec 22 22:37:49 it's died on me after an install occasionally Dec 22 22:37:57 shackan: most of myth is c++, next would be perl scripts, little python at all Dec 22 22:38:09 http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/mxr-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb Dec 22 22:38:13 ol_schoola: keep in mind, this might destroy your computer :) Dec 22 22:38:21 ol_schoola: mmmm, ok, just miro then :D Dec 22 22:38:28 * timelyx isn't testing at all :) Dec 22 22:38:41 timelyx: exactly what is this deb do? Dec 22 22:38:59 http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/mxr-maemo-org-dns-0.1/DEBIAN/ Dec 22 22:39:01 is the entire deb Dec 22 22:39:12 feel free to read and tell me to correct before you try to use it :) Dec 22 22:39:30 ideally it adds/removes an entry in /etc/hosts for mxr.maemo.org Dec 22 22:39:37 what exactly are you trying for? any forum/blog post explaining this? Dec 22 22:39:39 i'll create an identical one for repository.maemo.org Dec 22 22:39:44 isn't the $(pkgroot)/debian/ folder lowercase usually? Dec 22 22:39:45 seems interesting Dec 22 22:39:58 shackan: if you use the more powerful deb builders, yes Dec 22 22:40:01 if you use dpkg-deb, no Dec 22 22:40:31 timelyx: like i would know what i'm looking at? maemo is my first deb-based distro ;) Dec 22 22:40:45 ol_schoola: postinst and postrm are shell scripts Dec 22 22:40:49 they are run by root Dec 22 22:41:02 the scripts could just as easily be tested in any other busybox shell Dec 22 22:41:10 i see em, but wouldn't know what a properly written one would look like Dec 22 22:41:29 ol_schoola: give it a whirl ;) Dec 22 22:41:36 looks vaguely right to me, but I've not looked closely Dec 22 22:41:44 timelyx: postrm should probably enforce its postcondition, not fail if it already applies Dec 22 22:42:11 sp3000: hrm, you mean happily quit if there's no line at all? Dec 22 22:42:25 mmmm, what's the dpkg command again? Dec 22 22:42:28 right Dec 22 22:42:32 sp3000: ok Dec 22 22:42:33 -i ? Dec 22 22:42:51 yeah Dec 22 22:42:58 but you could just click the link from the browser Dec 22 22:43:04 it should offer to open w/ application manager Dec 22 22:43:20 dpkg: error processing http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/mxr-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb (--install): Dec 22 22:43:20 cannot access archive: No such file or directory Dec 22 22:43:20 Errors were encountered while processing: Dec 22 22:43:21 http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/mxr-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb Dec 22 22:43:37 dpkg -i takes a local file :) Dec 22 22:43:48 * ol_schoola blushes Dec 22 22:43:51 it's ok Dec 22 22:43:57 you have to be new at least once Dec 22 22:44:49 timelyx: Dec 22 22:44:52 $ cat > argh Dec 22 22:44:54 foo bar Dec 22 22:44:55 goat pr0n Dec 22 22:44:57 $ XE argh Dec 22 22:44:59 $ contents=`cat argh` Dec 22 22:45:02 $ echo $contents Dec 22 22:45:04 foo bar goat pr0n Dec 22 22:45:07 $ echo "$contents" Dec 22 22:45:09 foo bar Dec 22 22:45:09 ooops, that's bad Dec 22 22:45:12 goat pr0n Dec 22 22:45:14 eh, ignore $ XE argh Dec 22 22:45:22 timeless: it barfed because i only commented out the old entry, i'll remove and retry Dec 22 22:45:31 ol_schoola: don't use it Dec 22 22:45:37 right now sp3000 found a bug Dec 22 22:46:07 roger dodger Dec 22 22:46:16 sp3000: ok, adding quotes (need to finishthe other complaint) Dec 22 22:49:06 sp3000: test ! -z "" ? Dec 22 22:49:15 test "" Dec 22 22:49:28 but if i need negation, is that how? Dec 22 22:49:31 (seems to work) Dec 22 22:50:23 ol_schoola: ok, try agian Dec 22 22:50:29 s/ia/ai/ Dec 22 22:50:31 timelyx meant: ol_schoola: ok, try again Dec 22 22:50:59 [ ! -z "" ] && echo nonzero Dec 22 22:51:04 [ ! -z "stuff" ] && echo nonzero Dec 22 22:51:26 halley: i don't have busybox handy :) Dec 22 22:52:36 How do you install os2007 hacker edition onto your mmc card Dec 22 22:53:31 ekim|dt-linux: read the wiki? Dec 22 22:53:40 link ? Dec 22 22:54:11 ol_schoola: status? :) Dec 22 22:54:16 * timelyx wants to sleep Dec 22 22:54:36 http://pastebin.ca/829125 Dec 22 22:55:08 i'd just installed the original version as you warned me not to Dec 22 22:55:28 dunno if that what all the post install complaining is about Dec 22 22:56:07 ol_schoola: might be worth checking what script is failing Dec 22 22:56:18 ekim|dt-linux: search itT for 'cloning' Dec 22 22:56:50 ol_schoola: try using pastebin.mozilla.org (it's generally faster than pastebin.ca), can you pastebin /etc/hosts ? Dec 22 22:56:54 kbsingh: little guidance? run dpkg with verbosity? Dec 22 22:57:05 is there a way around the corrupted .debs on maemo extras? Dec 22 22:57:17 download them directly? Dec 22 22:57:25 dick-richardson: i think my repository might work for you Dec 22 22:57:41 if you don't mind temporarily using something unofficial :) Dec 22 22:57:54 ~# more /etc/hosts127.0.0.1 Nokia-N800-50-2 localhost Dec 22 22:58:02 echo 66.33.212.254 repository.maemo.org >> /etc/hosts Dec 22 22:58:02 timelyx: set -e; dummy=`false` Dec 22 22:58:04 nothing else Dec 22 22:58:07 timelyx: not at all Dec 22 22:58:45 is it required that I have two partitions , one fat and one linux Dec 22 22:58:54 because I have linux , I can read linux filesystems Dec 22 22:59:20 ekim|dt-linux: i think the fat is designed to enable you to get normal usb mass storage behavior Dec 22 22:59:28 it is Dec 22 22:59:30 but I never use it Dec 22 22:59:38 so I want to save myself the trouble Dec 22 22:59:44 have fun :) Dec 22 22:59:46 Anyone got terraserver maps going with maemo mapper? Dec 22 23:00:00 sp3000: sorry, what's that mean to me? :) Dec 22 23:00:22 timelyx: that FOUNDDNS=`fgrep "$SERVER" $VICTIM 2>/dev/null` may exit Dec 22 23:01:01 may exit? Dec 22 23:01:16 if fgrep fails, it exits due to -e Dec 22 23:01:16 after echo'ing into hosts and installing your pkg, i get http://pastebin.mozilla.org/275130 Dec 22 23:01:48 ol_schoola: and what's in /etc/hosts ? Dec 22 23:02:26 127.0.0.1 Nokia-N800-50-2 localhost Dec 22 23:02:26 66.33.212.254 repository.maemo.org Dec 22 23:03:00 can you change that last line to have 3 spaces instead of 1? Dec 22 23:03:29 instead of which 1 space Dec 22 23:03:32 ? Dec 22 23:04:07 or which linbe has the single space i should replace? Dec 22 23:04:11 lne Dec 22 23:04:11 66.33.212.254_ repository.maemo.org Dec 22 23:04:16 the space there Dec 22 23:04:40 * timelyx should probably use 1 space instead since it seems nokia does Dec 22 23:04:58 same as before Dec 22 23:05:37 sp3000: so, i should remove the set -e line? Dec 22 23:05:57 timelyx: note "repository" != "mxr" Dec 22 23:06:09 sp3000: oh, heh Dec 22 23:06:14 "doh" Dec 22 23:06:18 duly noted Dec 22 23:06:24 "maybe" Dec 22 23:07:12 or sprinkle || true where appropriate Dec 22 23:08:54 interesting, false && meep= doesn't die Dec 22 23:08:57 -e is confusing :) Dec 22 23:09:10 what does -e generally do? Dec 22 23:11:14 Exit immediately if a simple command exits non-zero, except if a while until if testm or part of a && || list, or !ed Dec 22 23:11:48 but false || false does die Dec 22 23:11:57 I guess being part of the list means not being last Dec 22 23:12:06 ok, so basically there's no reason for me to use it in my scripts Dec 22 23:13:31 ol_schoola: ok, grab the deb again Dec 22 23:13:42 sorry, for the delay Dec 22 23:13:58 sp3000: should i switch to 1 space? Dec 22 23:14:17 heh Dec 22 23:14:21 that one's too hard :) Dec 22 23:14:35 * timelyx siwtches Dec 22 23:14:39 s/iw/wi/ Dec 22 23:16:06 morning Dec 22 23:16:19 someone has idea when bugs.maemo.org will work? Dec 22 23:16:25 ? Dec 22 23:16:35 define work? Dec 22 23:16:37 Can't connect to the database. Dec 22 23:16:37 Error: Too many connections Dec 22 23:16:38 seems to work for me Dec 22 23:16:45 thats what I have Dec 22 23:16:48 ok Dec 22 23:17:04 [sanjay]$ ssh bugs.maemo.org Dec 22 23:17:04 Last login: Thu Nov 29 11:00:31 2007 from 208.97.190.14 Dec 22 23:17:04 (bugs_and_lists)timeless@maemo-midgard:~$ Dec 22 23:17:18 Nokia-N800-50-2:~# dpkg -i mxr-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb dpkg: status database area is locked by another process Dec 22 23:17:18 Nokia-N800-50-2:~# dpkg -i mxr-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb Dec 22 23:17:18 (Reading database ... 20293 files and directories currently installed.) Dec 22 23:17:18 Preparing to replace mxr-maemo-org-dns 0.1 (using mxr-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb) ... Dec 22 23:17:19 Unpacking replacement mxr-maemo-org-dns ... Dec 22 23:17:19 Could not find 66.33.212.254 mxr.maemo.org in /etc/hosts Dec 22 23:17:20 lol. too many bugs Dec 22 23:17:21 dpkg: warning - old post-removal script returned error exit status 1 Dec 22 23:17:23 dpkg - trying script from the new package instead ... Dec 22 23:17:25 Could not find mxr.maemo.org in /etc/hosts Dec 22 23:17:27 dpkg: ... it looks like that went OK. Dec 22 23:17:29 Setting up mxr-maemo-org-dns (0.1) ... Dec 22 23:17:43 time to check how many bugs I have reported and close all Dec 22 23:17:44 sorry folks, the last pastepin ctrl-c didn't take Dec 22 23:18:28 http://pastebin.mozilla.org/ Dec 22 23:19:37 here's the new host file http://pastebin.mozilla.org/275158 Dec 22 23:19:50 ol_schoola, =) Dec 22 23:19:59 ok, fix the repository line to use 1 space instead Dec 22 23:20:05 and try to install/uninstall the repository deb Dec 22 23:20:09 it's next to the mxr deb Dec 22 23:20:32 ok, time to say bye - maybe will be back when n820 will (if ever) be released Dec 22 23:20:33 sp3000: should it be possible to install a deb when the exact line is already present? Dec 22 23:20:37 * timelyx guesses it should ... Dec 22 23:21:08 hrw: openzaurus developer? Dec 22 23:21:10 probably install+uninstall should be noop Dec 22 23:21:18 so I guess ...no? Dec 22 23:21:45 solmumaha: some time ago yes. then openzaurus maintainer Dec 22 23:22:06 switching to maemo? :) Dec 22 23:22:06 solmumaha: and I officially ended that project in favour of Ångström distribution Dec 22 23:22:11 solmumaha: never! Dec 22 23:22:56 solmumaha: after playing with 770 I saw enough to be scared off maemo. dependencies hell, lack of feeds, lack of locale support Dec 22 23:23:38 solmumaha: lack of any way to buy maemo powered devices makes me switching off too Dec 22 23:23:49 well 770 isn't really top notch Dec 22 23:24:12 I know Dec 22 23:24:29 but thats what I have and there is no way to buy n800 or n810 in Poland Dec 22 23:25:04 have you tried hacker edition? Dec 22 23:25:09 and it looks like there are no plans to change it at 'n' company Dec 22 23:25:28 solmumaha: tried. sorry to say but os2007he is crap compared to os2006 on 770 Dec 22 23:26:01 ok, there are ~12 mysqld's running Dec 22 23:26:13 solmumaha: shorter battery life, too often user gets hit by "o.. you have 64M instead of 128M" Dec 22 23:26:40 I propose Timelyx gets the "Hohoho-Father Xmas Beard Award" from the Internet Tablet community for his stalwart work in mirroring the repos. Among other charming things he has done for us all this year. Dec 22 23:27:05 yes, 770 is nothing like n8x0, way too underpowered Dec 22 23:27:29 solmumaha: yes, I heard that too many times Dec 22 23:27:40 Do I hear a seconder? Dec 22 23:27:43 but hardware wise they are so much better than zaurus' Dec 22 23:27:44 solmumaha: from my pov 770 should be not released Dec 22 23:27:46 seconded Dec 22 23:28:15 hasn;t even exploded yet with the bad canola temp metadata Dec 22 23:28:16 Thanx ol_schoola! Dec 22 23:28:54 solmumaha: and from software side (when zaurus gets openzaurus installed) its when 770 loose Dec 22 23:29:03 K`zan: i got terraserver working just now, what ya need? Dec 22 23:29:36 hrw: i beg to differ Dec 22 23:29:52 ol_schoola: Kind of confused about it, the respository I found was bad and apparently I need some other app for that to be able to work? Dec 22 23:29:55 3rded Dec 22 23:30:09 solmumaha: os2006 reminded me dependencies hell which I last time had in redhat 5.x times Dec 22 23:30:12 ok, have fun w/ those debs Dec 22 23:30:29 solmumaha: 'to install x you need y' but y is not in feeds Dec 22 23:30:31 etc Dec 22 23:30:35 you need to have proj installed Dec 22 23:30:44 Ditto fnordian Dec 22 23:31:03 ol_schoola: Checking now, thanks. Dec 22 23:31:59 hrw: k, can agree on that, but after you add all the necessary repositories, it's really not a problem Dec 22 23:32:24 ol_schoola: OK, found and installed proj, when I add repository, what URL should I use? Dec 22 23:32:50 http://www.terraserver-usa.com/ogcmap6.ashx?VERSION=1.1.1&SERVICE=WMS&REQUEST=GetMap&LAYERS=DRG&STYLES=&SRS=EPSG:4326&BBOX=%.6f,%.6f,%.6f,%.6f&WIDTH=256&HEIGHT=288&FORMAT=image/jpeg&BGCOLOR=0xCCCCCC&EXCEPTIONS=INIMAGE Dec 22 23:32:57 solmumaha: but why device cames without them preconfigured then? Dec 22 23:33:29 http://www.terraserver-usa.com/ogcmap6.ashx?VERSION=1.1.1&SERVICE=WMS&REQUEST=GetMap&LAYERS=DRG&STYLES=&SRS=EPSG:4326&BBOX=%.6f,%.6f,%.6f,%.6f&WIDTH=256&HEIGHT=288&FORMAT=image/jpeg&BGCOLOR=0xCCCCCC&EXCEPTIONS=INIMAGE Dec 22 23:33:31 hrw: the various repositories spring up like mushrooms Dec 22 23:34:15 timelyx: variuos yes. maemo ones are too often mentioned as 'required' and are not added by default Dec 22 23:34:18 ol_schoola: Thank you sir, giving it a go now. Dec 22 23:34:20 imho, there ought to be Nokia's official repo, and then ONE other repo Dec 22 23:34:47 and by default nokia wanted people not to have software that wasn't ... Dec 22 23:36:25 * timelyx shrugs Dec 22 23:37:22 ol_schoola: It works, thank you again Sir! Dec 22 23:37:49 K`zan: glad to help Dec 22 23:38:12 hmmm, my shell host allows me 2Gb transfer/month with there caching proxy Dec 22 23:38:21 their Dec 22 23:39:56 bye Dec 22 23:40:15 bye Dec 22 23:40:40 err 200Gb. that would be sufficient to host a repo YA THINK? Dec 22 23:40:46 sry for caps Dec 22 23:41:18 how do you change the default cli text editor at boot? Dec 22 23:41:40 what do you mean default editor? Dec 22 23:41:42 EDITOR= ? Dec 22 23:41:58 yeah, I'm trying to set it to nano, but it won't stick Dec 22 23:42:17 sudo visudo still opens vi. i HATE vi Dec 22 23:42:32 hrm Dec 22 23:42:40 visudo would open vi, no? Dec 22 23:42:57 * sp3000 hopes hrw isn't going on some mass change rampage like he's the oly one who cares about his bugs Dec 22 23:43:02 I had changed it before...just unable to remember how Dec 22 23:43:03 unless I misunderstood Dec 22 23:43:05 visudo will always open vi, iirc Dec 22 23:43:18 sp3000: bugs.maemo.org seems to be wedged Dec 22 23:43:32 there are ~12mysqld processes floating around Dec 22 23:43:33 it didn't before reflashing Dec 22 23:43:35 you can't load bugs Dec 22 23:43:35 yeah, it's been a bit wedgey on and off Dec 22 23:44:42 dick-richardson: usually you export EDITOR in a shell rc file Dec 22 23:47:12 visudo will or won't care about it depending on a bunch of things, try parsing that manual :) Dec 22 23:48:13 * timelyx sighs Dec 22 23:48:25 repos still broken, I see. Dec 22 23:48:45 time to think about things besides maemo Dec 22 23:48:46 there are 109 chinook packages that my server needs to re-retrieve and there are ~100 files in a queue before that Dec 22 23:49:04 ccooke: you're free to try http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/repository-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb Dec 22 23:49:15 Behold the power of 40,000 people. They can get whatever they want if they all hit the Nokia server at once. Dec 22 23:49:29 Screaming: i think 40 are sufficient :) Dec 22 23:50:08 I thought nokia hhad akamai on the joob. Dec 22 23:50:16 s/oo o Dec 22 23:50:53 Screaming: they do Dec 22 23:51:09 and i dont think the servers are broken or anything, something in the content is bad one some machines Dec 22 23:51:49 Ditto that kbsingh Dec 22 23:52:00 s/d one s/d on s/ Dec 22 23:52:01 kbsingh meant: and i dont think the servers are broken or anything, something in the content is bad on some machines Dec 22 23:52:11 fscking bots Dec 22 23:53:10 leave off the last / Dec 22 23:54:19 well, i am more of an rpm person myself, or i'd help get together a one maemo deb repo Dec 22 23:54:43 so there werent like a hundred repos out there, and people could really just feed and manage 1 external repo Dec 22 23:55:37 kbsingh: i really don't have enough space to host a grand unified Dec 22 23:55:56 timelyx: i do Dec 22 23:56:00 Um, kbsingh: I think my N800 would fry if I even tried one Dec 22 23:56:03 kbsingh: and bandwidth? Dec 22 23:56:13 there's plenty of that as well timelyx Dec 22 23:56:47 whee! installing bash looks to be a bad idea Dec 22 23:57:00 how do you deal w/ conflicts? Dec 22 23:57:15 timelyx: b/w is easily organised, a mirror network can be put together fairly easily Dec 22 23:57:35 Screaming: you mean the repo density would get too high for apt to handle ? Dec 22 23:57:58 kbsingh: by default apt has a limit on the number of packages for its tiny little mind Dec 22 23:58:24 timelyx: surely thats apt on maemo ? Dec 22 23:58:31 and what is that number anyway ? Dec 22 23:59:24 kbsingh, I mean it can't even manage fullscreen videos. Dec 22 23:59:51 If i try and mirror a repo Im dead. Dec 22 23:59:58 err... Dec 23 00:00:42 kbsingh: my apt on non maemo has a small default too Dec 23 00:00:48 you can reconfigure the number Dec 23 00:00:56 but at a certain point you have to worry about ram Dec 23 00:01:10 debian would be up shit creek if that number was too low Dec 23 00:01:32 or worse Dec 23 00:01:34 disk space? Dec 23 00:02:39 if a community can be organised around the idea, and have a few people who help manage and tool the project, i can provide about 200 gigs on a 100mbps link as a master, and offer a mirror to that in the .us and another in .de Dec 23 00:03:07 i doubt the maemo repo is > 200 gigs, or even likely to be in the near future Dec 23 00:03:40 Now that you said that, people will make it that large. Dec 23 00:03:42 Just to spite you. Dec 23 00:03:48 heh Dec 23 00:04:00 Vulcanis: that can only be a good thing :D Dec 23 00:04:35 Kb: Agreed. Gogo. Dec 23 00:04:49 anyway, drives are cheap. the main issue is to get enough open source mirrors to rsync and host it. Dec 23 00:05:12 mozilla.org actually offered mirror capacity to maemo.org Dec 23 00:05:46 And Nokia refused I guess? Dec 23 00:06:01 well, i think the most important piece was the flash images Dec 23 00:06:09 and that has some legalisms that prevent it Dec 23 00:06:29 in fact, the legalisms pose some interesting problems for people who own more than one device Dec 23 00:06:38 at least, as far as sp3000 and I could determine Dec 23 00:06:43 timelyx: humm...stuff like that can get tricky. Dec 23 00:06:44 (we are not lawyers) Dec 23 00:06:50 Bl*ody lawyers! Dec 23 00:06:55 but, an open mirror need not carry that sort of stuff. Dec 23 00:07:07 those kind of bits can stay on the nokia paid-for repos Dec 23 00:07:20 i'm not quite sure i understood the rest of the response Dec 23 00:07:36 i am not very familiar with the way the whole maemo.org project runs, maybe i should do some research on that first :p Dec 23 00:07:40 there was also a response indicating that nokia was paying for akamai and that it should work Dec 23 00:07:53 akamai is not cheap Dec 23 00:07:55 and i happen to agree w/ them there Dec 23 00:08:05 they have to be paying some sizable sum Dec 23 00:08:22 if it doesn't work, it should be fixed, and if it were working, there shouldn't be any problems Dec 23 00:08:42 timelyx: unless the content fed through to akamai is broken :D Dec 23 00:08:51 bug somewhere, needs fixing Dec 23 00:09:05 yea Dec 23 00:09:29 i followed the line for a while, but by thursday, i gave up, and now you can grab a .deb which enables you to use a puny mirror :| Dec 23 00:10:18 Hmm, Beard award gets doubled Dec 23 00:11:23 :z! Dec 23 00:11:56 Was I right about the reindeer perhaps? Finns are still home waiting? Dec 23 00:12:21 there's no snow Dec 23 00:12:28 so the finns don't get a white christmas Dec 23 00:12:39 whats the maximum size of the SD cards with the N800? Dec 23 00:12:41 according to a Swedish researcher, Santa needs to relocate to Krzygstan Dec 23 00:13:00 why? Dec 23 00:13:38 you know how FedEx chose Memphis for it's ideal distribution hub? same thing Dec 23 00:13:46 No snow in Finland??? Jeez I'm emigrating to Mars then. Dec 23 00:13:56 Santa would be most productive if he were based in Krzygstan Dec 23 00:14:28 We've bust the planet!!!! Dec 23 00:15:16 alrighty folks, I'm off in search of eggnog (and brandy) Dec 23 00:15:39 a big THANK YOU to timelyx for the hard qwork Dec 23 00:15:49 s/qwork work Dec 23 00:16:23 ol_schoola, Me too, and one for timelyx too. Dec 23 00:17:31 can someone tell me whats the limit for the sd card for the n800? Dec 23 00:17:38 can it take up to 16Gb? Dec 23 00:19:01 hrm Dec 23 00:19:06 Hugoolp i think it's up to 8gb Dec 23 00:19:10 some part of the repository is still missing Dec 23 00:19:37 abrilc: ok, thanks Dec 23 00:28:09 * timelyx ponders Dec 23 00:28:18 anyone have an easy way to find out if a directory only has 1 file? Dec 23 00:32:38 timeless, test `ls -l | wc -l` -eq 1 ? Dec 23 00:32:45 (probably crack) Dec 23 00:33:04 that lists also dirs Dec 23 00:33:19 find . -type f | wc -l Dec 23 00:34:19 kaltsi: that's fine Dec 23 00:34:35 a directory w/ 1 file and 1 dir should be ignored for my purposes Dec 23 00:45:30 Psst! Dec 23 00:45:46 Sssshhhh! Everyone ... look everythings fine. (I just realised, the Nokia bosses just forked out thousands of euros for this Akamai CDS Don't et em know it didn't work! They'll take it away again!) Dec 23 00:46:16 lol Dec 23 00:46:25 Nite Dec 23 00:46:32 cu Dec 23 00:48:03 sup! Dec 23 00:56:01 hum... Dec 23 00:58:34 does anyone know how to get screen-video capture to work on n800? Dec 23 00:58:51 is there a software for it... ffmpeg? Dec 23 01:01:47 Video Converter demo up now Dec 23 01:01:48 hi Dec 23 01:02:13 hi Dec 23 01:02:33 thoughtf1x: can I capture video? Dec 23 01:02:40 I just use ffmpeg for video conversion. But I think codeyman is looking for a screen-to-movie thingy. Dec 23 01:02:58 yes Dec 23 01:03:33 codeyman, the easiest is to run on scratchbox or something and do the vidcap there. The actual tablet is very poor for video bandwidth. Dec 23 01:04:06 Hmm Dec 23 01:04:08 someone has one Dec 23 01:04:08 yes Dec 23 01:04:38 hmm.. ok.. will look into it.. Dec 23 01:04:52 secondly no support for bluetooth headset right? Dec 23 01:05:11 google told me that it isn't...just confirming **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Dec 23 02:59:56 2007