**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Dec 26 02:59:56 2007 Dec 26 04:43:51 pupnik, you alive? Dec 26 04:57:41 I was just wondering... Anybody running DOSBox on their N800? Dec 26 05:02:51 Hum... Dec 26 05:24:52 Anyone know how to set "track up" in maemo mapper? Dec 26 05:26:04 sorry Dec 26 05:27:12 videocenter maemo Dec 26 05:27:15 ww Dec 26 05:29:24 Anybody have DosBox installed on their Nokia Internet Tablet? Dec 26 05:34:06 Hi ! Dec 26 05:35:05 Oh, ski... That would be... Nice. I did not think about that. Dec 26 05:38:43 Anyone tried out Simple Mapper? No menu and setting long/lat gets close but not to what one sets, did I miss something? Dec 26 05:39:09 No Map either, just a black screen with a red dot. Dec 26 05:39:51 Got maps from map and maemo mapper... Dec 26 05:41:06 No info from google either :-/ Dec 26 05:44:23 skibur: i'm running minivmac ... far better :) Dec 26 06:26:28 How does one add keyboard shortcuts, no hardware keyboard control panel entry in 2008. Dec 26 06:27:09 Only the ability to change a preselected set under bluetooth keyboard. Dec 26 06:31:27 Sigh, so many questions and google is so useless :-(. Dec 26 06:35:20 wish I had mine with me Dec 26 06:39:26 :-) small enough that you should :-) Dec 26 06:46:51 is there a deb for vim? Dec 26 06:47:22 (yes, i searched) Dec 26 06:47:33 I think so, try apt-get install vim, I haven't gotten to that yet :). Dec 26 06:49:37 yeah, no go Dec 26 06:49:55 there was a deb for 07 Dec 26 06:49:57 May still be repository problems with the update going on. Dec 26 06:50:30 vi seems like a problem tapping, hopefully work out better with the BT keyboard. Dec 26 06:50:37 i havent seen one in the repos. i was hoping it was one of those isolated debs hosted on a webpage Dec 26 06:51:02 Understand, apps are such a mess to find for the n800... Dec 26 06:51:05 well, seeing as I'm here on my n800+bt kybd... Dec 26 06:51:42 LOL, me too :-) Dec 26 06:52:16 Trying to figure out why all my .wmv files suddenly stopped working here on the kubuntu desktop. Dec 26 06:52:45 i finally dumped kubuntu for ubuntu for my 2nd machine Dec 26 06:53:06 I just never got enthralled with Gnome, KDE is me :-) Dec 26 06:53:21 neither was i, but i like gnome+compiz Dec 26 06:53:34 Wonder if having tvtime running when I launched the video screwed it up?!? Dec 26 06:53:57 I think gnome underlies the n800 stuff. Dec 26 06:54:08 Have to check out compiz Dec 26 06:54:08 still dont get how there is a one click install for flash tho. Dec 26 06:54:20 have you seen the youtube stuff? Dec 26 06:54:22 px tvtime Dec 26 06:54:38 No, so far done nothing with video on the n800. Dec 26 06:54:50 Mostly use it with fbreader for ebook reading. Dec 26 06:54:57 i mean compiz vids on youtube Dec 26 06:55:07 Playing around some with maemo mapper now. Dec 26 06:55:18 Err, LOL, no will check it out. Dec 26 06:55:45 it makes virtual desktops more usable Dec 26 06:55:57 not to mention pretty :-) Dec 26 06:56:34 But what would I do without all my kde krutches :)? Dec 26 06:57:11 lemme see if I can get video from utube to work, seem hosed locally. Dec 26 06:57:26 you'd just Get it Dec 26 06:59:50 That works, looks like compriz would be hard on the eye the way the windows flap :). Dec 26 07:00:11 you can turn that off :-) Dec 26 07:00:31 Still looking at more, seems to be that cube approach I saw on something else a while back... Dec 26 07:00:48 Right ,beryl Dec 26 07:00:56 compiz is beryl Dec 26 07:01:07 beryl forked, remerged Dec 26 07:01:16 more or less Dec 26 07:01:55 GPoLitics is not a pasttime; im sure you can find a good summary somewhere :-) Dec 26 07:06:43 Looks like some very interesting stuff there, not sure this old 6600GT/128M would do real well with that kind of workout. Dec 26 07:07:07 it probably would Dec 26 07:07:08 meh. i run it on a 5900xt 128mb Dec 26 07:07:12 does fine. Dec 26 07:07:15 would work* Dec 26 07:07:25 at 16x12, iirc Dec 26 07:07:44 Hummm :-) Dec 26 07:07:57 About a page for it under adept... Dec 26 07:08:17 First I guess gnome would be called in. Dec 26 07:08:40 Then TONS of goodies and a month to figure it all out :-P. Dec 26 07:09:23 grrr... no vim debs :-/ and my vpn is somehow down, so no way to tinker with xcompiling Dec 26 07:09:24 ol_schoola: Welcome back, Sir! Dec 26 07:09:42 Never(!!!) a dull moment with the n800 :) Dec 26 07:10:26 is there a ready made usb otg cable that works on the n800? Dec 26 07:10:40 oy Dec 26 07:10:53 fun holidays Dec 26 07:10:59 i would love to be able to connect to my sony ebook reader without swapping sd cards Dec 26 07:11:03 just got done with a five-seat lan party Dec 26 07:11:12 I have heard that the cable is unobtanoum/// Dec 26 07:11:18 Fun :) Dec 26 07:11:26 joy Dec 26 07:11:47 I started to build one and the bloody soldering iron tip died. Gonna complain, it only lasted just over 15 years :-). Dec 26 07:11:48 link to one at UK amazon but i've come up with bupkis for the US Dec 26 07:12:34 i think ive seen that one - little black thing iirc - so it doesnt need any special powering? Dec 26 07:12:41 Considering there were 5 pins on the outside and only 4 for the cable, it was going to be a job I can't do with the blowtorch :) Dec 26 07:12:50 if the device is power hungry, use a powered hub Dec 26 07:13:47 i use an Iroda butane rig, it was designed by a Canadian ham operator, tired of the electric ones failing at the top of his tower Dec 26 07:14:05 butane soldering iron, many interchangeable tips Dec 26 07:14:09 LOL, BYDT and yes it stinks at anything over 15' :) Dec 26 07:14:50 I have one of those, quite nice, but lousy for jumpering the connector end of the mini-a (or whatever it is). Dec 26 07:15:12 my bro gave me a sansa for xmas. not sure i'd use it much now that i carry the 800 Dec 26 07:15:13 Was going to jumper it dead at the back of the fingers. Dec 26 07:15:24 sandsa? Dec 26 07:15:44 little mp3 players, can load the rockbnox firmware Dec 26 07:15:46 Will when I get another decent iron. Dec 26 07:15:54 Ah Dec 26 07:16:20 i think i'll order a station. i'm tired of doing the touch-n-go with the Iroda on the little shit Dec 26 07:16:36 I think I'll wait on compiz until I get the n800 up to speed again. Dec 26 07:16:52 i had to reflow the mod chip on my other brother's Wii yesterday. grrrrr Dec 26 07:16:54 Yep, do so, worth the cost. You in the US Dec 26 07:17:02 ? Dec 26 07:17:42 solder a little itty bitty smc pad, real hard with that brute of a tip Dec 26 07:18:03 yes US Dec 26 07:18:03 Until I can track down tips reasonable for the Weller, I'm getting one of these: http://www.wrighthobbies.net/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=29&products_id=84 Dec 26 07:18:12 Best price I have seen on that one. Dec 26 07:18:29 And extra tips all :-). Dec 26 07:18:45 Dunno where all the spare PTA tips I had went. Dec 26 07:19:17 If I had space I'd dig out the SMT rework station.... Dec 26 07:19:32 i'm not going to mess around, i've used to many weller's to use anything else again Dec 26 07:19:38 and i can write it off Dec 26 07:19:56 rebooting to see if that fixes the sudden problem with the .wma's brb Dec 26 07:20:25 Eddy is a good dude too, get my play robotics stuff and AVRs from him (well some of them). Dec 26 07:20:46 brb Dec 26 07:21:36 anyone having luck installing pidgin on an n810? Dec 26 07:21:38 Heh, forgot the n800 is right here :) Dec 26 07:21:59 says won't install but appears as installed Dec 26 07:22:29 but it doesn't work anyhow Dec 26 07:26:16 Sigh, I'm so confuzed with m$ formats, is .wma audio only? Dec 26 07:26:30 Windows Media Audio Dec 26 07:26:34 Yes. Dec 26 07:26:49 ah - wma audo wmv video -) Dec 26 07:26:53 Thanks, duhhh :-). Dec 26 08:54:53 morning Dec 26 08:54:56 hi Dec 26 08:55:30 ah great i can continue my installation Dec 26 08:55:35 repository.maemo.org seems to be back Dec 26 08:57:38 hmm definitely weird Dec 26 08:57:43 i have 2 pcs next to each other Dec 26 08:57:52 from the first 1, i can download the 4.0 binaries sh script Dec 26 08:58:05 from the second, i get a "the service is unavailable" error page Dec 26 08:58:12 through the same internet connection Dec 26 08:59:39 heh Dec 26 08:59:45 welcome to CDN land Dec 26 09:00:01 what does CDN stand for ? Dec 26 09:00:04 (mis-configured CDN land) Dec 26 09:00:16 infobot CDN is content distribution network, e.g. akamai Dec 26 09:00:22 okay, timelyx Dec 26 09:00:39 k Dec 26 09:00:54 anyways ... no time to handle bizarre things Dec 26 09:01:03 i just relaunched the install script, crossing fingers Dec 26 09:02:57 giove: {for irc log} http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/s/samba/samba-common_3.0.23c-1osso6_armel.deb Dec 26 09:13:07 timelyx: ping Dec 26 09:16:41 pong Dec 26 09:27:31 * timelyx counter pokes ol_schoola_ Dec 26 09:28:09 * ol_schoola_ nack's Dec 26 09:28:21 what's up? Dec 26 09:28:35 did i see that the official repos are no longer on their knees? Dec 26 09:28:44 * timelyx shrugs Dec 26 09:28:53 guardian just complained about them a moment ago :) Dec 26 09:29:01 omfg Dec 26 09:30:06 well Dec 26 09:30:08 in fact Dec 26 09:30:15 it seems they're working Dec 26 09:30:25 however apt-get update did not work Dec 26 09:30:30 although nsswitch.conf is fine Dec 26 09:30:36 this CANNOT be happening. i worked for an R&D branch of a Baby Bell during the years Scott Adams did and we did things to Bell Laboratories spec. Just proof of concept stuff. Never went to market. 100's of millions Dec 26 09:31:41 top notch projects. NVOD in '92 - Nebraska Dec 26 09:31:45 guardian: /etc/resolve.conf is typically 127.0.0.1 Dec 26 09:31:48 which doesn't work Dec 26 09:32:31 well, unless you run a named, which people generally don't do... :) Dec 26 09:33:09 hmm Dec 26 09:33:14 however, i never had to change that before Dec 26 09:33:26 how can they release the quantities of this thing to the public and let a foulup like this happen? Dec 26 09:34:13 it's not like it's the biggest fuckup by nokia Dec 26 09:34:14 i have another box next to my laptop Dec 26 09:34:22 with scratchbox & bora installed Dec 26 09:34:31 and once logged in into scratchbox Dec 26 09:34:38 guardian: check, am i wrong? Dec 26 09:34:52 ol_schoola_: what quantities? Dec 26 09:34:52 timelyx: ya think i ought to reflash this thing after testing your temp repo and pulling in all those python deps from the Canola temp repo? Dec 26 09:34:52 no you're not Dec 26 09:35:06 but on my working setup, nameserver inside scratchbox is set to 127.0.0.1 Dec 26 09:35:23 guardian: maybe you have a local and friendly named running there? :) Dec 26 09:35:44 no i don't Dec 26 09:35:47 ol_schoola_: no opinion :) Dec 26 09:35:51 guardian: *shrug* :) Dec 26 09:36:01 wtf :) Dec 26 09:36:04 timelyx: you stufy law ;) Dec 26 09:36:06 ? Dec 26 09:36:11 study? Dec 26 09:36:24 no, my dad's a retired lawyer Dec 26 09:36:41 lmao... put a GF thru law school :) Dec 26 09:36:42 i studied cs/math :) Dec 26 09:36:56 ol_schoola_: that'd be expensive Dec 26 09:37:06 dad taught you well Dec 26 09:37:07 ps aux |grep named returns nothing Dec 26 09:37:38 she had big time grants and scholarships, wasn't TOO bad Dec 26 09:38:04 they payoff in the end (say +15 years) should be good :) Dec 26 09:38:23 course, if she's doing the sr partner track, you won't see much of her until then :| Dec 26 09:38:24 brainy (with a grat Big BLUE .... eyes) Dec 26 09:38:43 (great big blue .... Dec 26 09:39:20 nah, she and i split 10 years ago. she married another attorney Dec 26 09:39:21 should scratchbox be able to handle symbolic links? Dec 26 09:39:41 liia: eh? Dec 26 09:40:07 in the filesystem Dec 26 09:40:51 hmm Dec 26 09:40:54 i guess i got it Dec 26 09:41:04 when i started installing i was at home Dec 26 09:41:18 i have /scratchox/etc/resolv.conf with nameserver 192.168.1.1 Dec 26 09:41:40 now i'm at work, and it's not the same network Dec 26 09:41:49 * timelyx nods Dec 26 09:42:06 sorry, some pieces of how exactly scratchbox operates are too complicated for my tiny little brain Dec 26 09:42:20 it worries me Dec 26 09:42:31 if scratchbox makes a copy at install time ... Dec 26 09:42:33 then it just sucks Dec 26 09:42:41 seems like it probably does Dec 26 09:42:56 fwiw, the tiny little thing is a bugzilla reference, see https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?x=x Dec 26 09:44:48 ah darn, of course (?) scratchbox does not see outside of its own filesystem Dec 26 09:49:26 timelyx: are they using this bugzilla ? Dec 26 09:49:37 or do they keep having a private bugzilla as well ? Dec 26 09:50:32 depends on how you define they Dec 26 09:50:43 yes there's a private bugzilla, but no, you really don't want to look at it Dec 26 09:50:52 in fact, i think most people who can see it would rather not :) Dec 26 09:53:27 timelyx: i just reset my hosts file and installed four apps from maemo. it didn't implode Dec 26 09:54:33 liia: indeed, symlinking doesn't work Dec 26 09:55:28 liia: you'll want to use hardlinks for most such things Dec 26 09:55:46 symlinks for most things are resolved within the scratchbox Dec 26 09:56:13 i tried to symlink /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf --> /etc/resolv.conf Dec 26 09:56:20 but then it doesn't resolve anything Dec 26 09:56:48 trying to update individual pkgs. some working, others breaking Dec 26 09:56:58 however, i'm still stuck because apt-get update fails: "gzip: stdin: not in gzip format" Dec 26 09:57:13 so i bet the repos are still borked Dec 26 09:58:04 guardian: try a hardlink :) Dec 26 09:58:26 guardian: yeah, that'd mean you got one of the various unhappy pages instead of what you wanted Dec 26 09:58:32 come back to the safety of my repo :) Dec 26 09:58:58 can you please remind me the url ? Dec 26 09:59:12 does the recent map update report "likely to harm the system"? or is my Frankentablet just about to keel over? Dec 26 09:59:51 timelyx: oh crap. your repo is still the got? Dec 26 10:00:09 i just updated a handful of apps using the official repos Dec 26 10:00:27 this is going to be the all-time Frankstein of internet tablets Dec 26 10:00:34 Frenkenstein Dec 26 10:01:19 pfff enough of it Dec 26 10:01:27 gonna switch to some other task Dec 26 10:01:43 infobot repository.maemo.org deb Dec 26 10:01:45 repository.maemo.org deb is, like, unofficial, all warrantees void, http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/repository-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb Dec 26 10:01:55 heh. i got a Sansa mp3 thingy for xmas. i need that like a need a ... Dec 26 10:02:07 ol_schoola_: if people have problems w/ the real one, then they are free to flip Dec 26 10:02:48 ol_schoola_: i don't think anyone from nokia would be able to answer anything before next year :) Dec 26 10:02:58 i don't know anyone who knew anything about the map update :) Dec 26 10:03:00 that and midgard ... Dec 26 10:03:30 timelyx: heh ;) i'm still on the same flash as when i tested your repo-in-progress. and added the unofficial Canola repo which pulled in all those python deps. this thing should be flying apart at the seams Dec 26 10:03:47 heh Dec 26 10:06:18 there's now five apps (not includeding the failed update to Nokia's Map) which are from the official repos i hit just 20 minutes ago. i'll redirect r.p.o to your site again and mix it up a little more. let's find out what kind of abuse pkg mgmt in 08 can really handle Dec 26 10:06:55 i'm surprised. i thought it would have lost it's marbles by now. Dec 26 10:30:49 Hi Dec 26 10:32:07 Someone can help me on gcc optimized option for a compilation for a n800 ? Dec 26 10:43:42 ask the question Dec 26 10:43:47 hi unique311 Dec 26 11:30:59 * timelyx sighs Dec 26 11:31:09 most of the debian control files in garage are bad Dec 26 11:31:17 http://mxr.maemo.org/garage/source/n770demos/debian/control#10 Dec 26 11:31:56 has anyone here used mabugz? Dec 26 11:36:06 <|tbb|> anyone knows where i can define hardware keys for microb. Dec 26 11:42:35 |tbb|: what do you mean? Dec 26 11:42:49 like http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/microb-pageupdown-0.1.deb ? Dec 26 11:44:11 http://mxr.maemo.org/garage/source/maemo-xkb-plugi/trunk/debian/control#10 Dec 26 11:44:18 * timelyx grumbles Dec 26 11:47:51 can someone explain DEBIAN/copyright? Dec 26 11:56:57 <|tbb|> timelyx: i mean scrolling down with d-pad and some others. what i need also is changing shortcuts like ctrl + L to open another location, because typing ctrl + L is very hard on the built in hardwarekeyboard on n800 Dec 26 12:25:08 hi, anyone knows how to open the big touchpad-tastatur by default? i have to press the select button to open it currently Dec 26 12:27:27 talking about os2008 here Dec 26 12:28:41 <|tbb|> all i know, u can open it while u tab the middle of the dpad after u set this option under control panel Dec 26 12:31:21 <|tbb|> how to enter the setting menu for itablet Dec 26 12:34:11 yup thats what im doing right now Dec 26 12:35:02 however it pidgin at least it sometimes opens with the big keyboard Dec 26 12:37:42 anyone know how to add more fonts to the os2008 xterm? Dec 26 12:37:57 http://capnhack.com/pandora/pandora5.jpg a nice render of a game-ready N810 style device Dec 26 12:38:19 the monospace one isn't dense enough to work well with a dark background Dec 26 12:38:27 <|tbb|> its because you have enter the typing area with your finger i guess Dec 26 12:38:38 you talkin bout the courier one ccooke ? Dec 26 12:38:39 and Sans isn't monospace :-) Dec 26 12:39:18 Bitstream Vera Sans Mono Roman Dec 26 12:39:36 is what i have here - way better than the thin courier on old xterm Dec 26 12:39:54 <|tbb|> pupnik what is that pandora thing Dec 26 12:40:03 it's just a design idea Dec 26 12:40:20 unfortunately the slider design is patented so they will use a clamshell design Dec 26 12:40:24 pupnik_: how do you add it? you only get three choices in the settings Dec 26 12:41:15 this font is default in osso-xterm 0.13.mh24 Dec 26 12:42:35 I have 0.14.mh3 Dec 26 12:43:11 strange - i have to go now but you should be able to choose font in preferences Dec 26 12:43:34 yes. there are only three choices though Dec 26 12:43:53 and the only monospace font isn't any good Dec 26 12:44:06 I'm using Sans atm Dec 26 12:44:23 timeless you here? Dec 26 12:44:42 which cuts off some parts of the glyphs :-) Dec 26 12:44:50 <|tbb|> i wonder why designers wont add buttons on the backside of a device, if you hold the device in your hand some fingers allready there Dec 26 12:45:34 someone got problme downloading skype on n810? Dec 26 12:47:16 http://mxr.maemo.org/garage/source/xoo-tablets/trunk/ Dec 26 12:47:17 * timelyx sighs Dec 26 12:47:21 hi Dike Dec 26 12:47:25 hey Dec 26 12:47:31 that link is for me? Dec 26 12:47:50 |tbb|: the pagedown deb does the former Dec 26 12:47:55 the latter is owned by ui junk Dec 26 12:48:01 i'm not going to look Dec 26 12:48:23 no Dec 26 12:48:27 just a random complaint Dec 26 12:48:32 " No long description is available yet" Dec 26 12:48:40 timelyx do you know if there are problem downloading skype on n810? Dec 26 12:49:04 hahlo managed to Dec 26 12:49:23 actually, looks like hahlo might have grabbed skype from skype.com ?? Dec 26 12:49:40 the download will start Dec 26 12:49:47 <|tbb|> pagedown deb? Dec 26 12:49:53 and at the end he stop with an error :/ Dec 26 12:50:13 |tbb|: http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/microb-pageupdown-0.1.deb Dec 26 12:50:16 like "dowload not done" Dec 26 12:50:30 i suppose i could try installing skype Dec 26 12:50:33 * timelyx isn't quite sure why Dec 26 12:50:56 if you can Dec 26 12:51:01 :P Dec 26 12:51:05 would be nice Dec 26 12:51:17 i was downloading 4.49 mb Dec 26 12:51:21 and at the end Dec 26 12:51:28 i got an error :/ Dec 26 12:54:25 <|tbb|> timelyx: have u written the page down patch Dec 26 12:56:19 <|tbb|> i know it was possible to change it by any conf file before, but for what iam looking for is reassing hardware keys or change shortcuts for microb Dec 26 12:58:48 |tbb|: kinda, someone did the research Dec 26 12:59:11 |tbb|: look at how it changes bindings Dec 26 12:59:17 that's how you'd change any gecko binding Dec 26 12:59:24 but ctrl-l isn't a gecko binding Dec 26 13:00:15 timelyx have you tryed it? Dec 26 13:03:09 <|tbb|> haven't found something study the irc logs Dec 26 13:03:29 ? Dec 26 13:04:31 time have tryed to install skype? Dec 26 13:05:35 * timelyx supposes you need os 2008 and not some beta Dec 26 13:06:02 yes Dec 26 13:06:07 i'm on 2008 Dec 26 13:06:14 <|tbb|> timeless said yesterday someone did allready a keybinding gui Dec 26 13:06:23 there is also the link preinstalled on my n810 Dec 26 13:06:26 <|tbb|> rebinding ! Dec 26 13:06:48 Dike: i'm not running 2008 official Dec 26 13:06:53 i'm running a 2008 pre Dec 26 13:06:59 skype demands official :( Dec 26 13:07:17 so you can't try to install it? Dec 26 13:07:47 packages complain about bad versions :) Dec 26 13:07:56 roger Dec 26 13:07:59 another question Dec 26 13:08:10 do you know where is aviable Dec 26 13:08:17 samba-common? Dec 26 13:08:21 i miss that file Dec 26 13:08:28 |tbb|: fwiw... Dec 26 13:08:35 but i have added maemo bora catalogue Dec 26 13:08:41 the bluetooth keyboard shortcuts tab responds to hardware keyboard Dec 26 13:08:48 so you can map to some things :) Dec 26 13:10:35 there is any aviable link to download it? Dec 26 13:10:44 still needing it to install samba :P Dec 26 13:11:13 <|tbb|> whoooo whooo Dec 26 13:11:15 sadly, the bindings don't actually seem to work Dec 26 13:11:21 <|tbb|> thx Dec 26 13:11:30 anyway, since it seems to go halfway Dec 26 13:11:35 it should probably work Dec 26 13:11:44 if you only get halfway, file a bug :) Dec 26 13:12:52 oh! Dec 26 13:13:43 <|tbb|> i wonder setting gps device to blutooth without mac on maemo mapper work with the internal device, also the blutooth keyboard shortcuts with internal Dec 26 13:14:14 * pupnik_ haet patents: http://www.google.com/patents?id=4k4SAAAAEBAJ Dec 26 13:15:38 pupnik: why'd ypu find that? Dec 26 13:17:02 |tbb|: i might be confusing something else Dec 26 13:17:11 i know i saw /something/ that listed keymappings Dec 26 13:17:15 * timelyx can't remember what it was :( Dec 26 13:18:16 * |tbb| hope you will remember to it Dec 26 13:18:24 * timelyx frowns Dec 26 13:18:26 http://mxr.maemo.org/garage/source/maemocjk/trunk/ttf-kochi-1.0.20030809-maemo/ Dec 26 13:19:45 <|tbb|> btw, some keystrokes allready reserved for system, iwonder where i can find documention about that. what ctrl+d does ?? Dec 26 13:20:09 timelyx: just bummed out at how producing products is such a patent minefield Dec 26 13:20:58 it's a net loss for society imo. only big players can produce, and too much of the cost of the products ends up being spent in the legal arena Dec 26 13:21:47 but sorry if that's leading into offtopicness Dec 26 13:22:54 http://mxr.maemo.org/garage/source/maemocjk/trunk/scim-pinyin-0.5.91-maemo/ Dec 26 13:23:12 interesting that claims it can eat ctrl-d Dec 26 13:23:36 oh right Dec 26 13:23:39 i have 2 hours to go shopping Dec 26 13:25:30 hmm. how can you install bash on os2008? Dec 26 13:26:15 <|tbb|> fn+backspace for switching to homescreen rocks, now we should find out where the conffile for that keystrokes are stored Dec 26 13:26:48 |tbb|: so that thing worked? Dec 26 13:27:06 <|tbb|> yes Dec 26 13:27:31 <|tbb|> but most keystrokes r reserved for system it says Dec 26 13:27:48 * timelyx nods Dec 26 13:28:07 i don't want to know how that works Dec 26 13:30:18 <|tbb|> not want to know what? Dec 26 13:33:56 <|tbb|> fn+enter to fullscreen toggle also rocks. btw is there a gconf gui editor available for os w008 Dec 26 13:35:54 has anyone here successfully made a USB OTG cable? Dec 26 13:41:19 Cptnodegard, depends what you mean, do you mean a cable that will automatically switch the N8X0 devices into host mode? Dec 26 13:41:33 Or just a cable that will work when the device is switched to host mode. Dec 26 13:42:04 auto cable Dec 26 13:42:21 Then no, I have not made one. Dec 26 13:42:24 found a guide, but it lacks both instruction and pics to show what cables go where Dec 26 13:42:31 Though it's a pretty simple design. Dec 26 13:44:34 all usb cables have the same color codes? Dec 26 13:44:42 They should do. Dec 26 13:45:02 You should really check out the specs of the connectors and the OTG host cable design .. Dec 26 13:48:11 Hi ! Dec 26 13:55:22 know where i can download samba-common? Dec 26 13:56:38 dike, http://gronmayer.com/it , choose the OS you want, then type samba into search box and press Search Dec 26 13:56:59 yes i added the catalogue that sould contain it Dec 26 13:57:04 but its missing ... Dec 26 13:57:39 i can't install samba because samba-common is missing, but i can chek it from gronmayer.com/it Dec 26 13:57:57 there are 3 package with sambacommon inside.. Dec 26 13:58:05 but i still missing it :/ Dec 26 13:59:55 where can i find python2.5-gtk2? Dec 26 14:00:16 do you know why tontsa_ ? Dec 26 14:00:56 no idea Dec 26 14:01:18 are you using n810? Dec 26 14:34:55 hmmf. the app that made power-saving behave differently when you're on AC - does it work on os2008? And what was it called/where to find it? Dec 26 14:35:55 when i want to run python program, i get the error: ImportError No module named gtk Dec 26 14:36:09 what could be the problem? Dec 26 14:36:27 in the repositories there does not seem to be a python-gtk package Dec 26 14:37:01 I thought OS 2008 had an option not to dim/blank the screen on AC. Dec 26 14:37:32 <|tbb|> Veggen: i guess it was acmonitor Dec 26 14:37:32 sikor_sxe, are you running python or python2.5? Dec 26 14:37:48 and the package is named python2.5-gtk2 Dec 26 14:37:49 I have a python2.5-gtk2-package Dec 26 14:37:56 cd /var/cache/apt/ Dec 26 14:37:57 ls Dec 26 14:37:58 <|tbb|> the other was more dimming option Dec 26 14:38:19 (oops. that was supposed to go in the ssh-session to my n800 ;) Dec 26 14:38:20 python2.5 Dec 26 14:38:56 have you enabled the extras repository? Dec 26 14:39:56 it's broken right now, isn't it? Dec 26 14:40:36 and in /var/cache/apt there is archives pkgcache.bin & srcpkgcache.bin Dec 26 14:41:15 i used the temporary repository from internettablettalk Dec 26 14:41:27 It's /var/lib/apt/lists Dec 26 14:43:12 there is quite a lot in there Dec 26 14:44:26 ok, it's not really meant for needing to look in, but sometimes it's useful to grep those files. Dec 26 14:45:13 from repo did you get your python2.5-gtk2 pkg? Dec 26 14:45:18 from what repo Dec 26 14:45:39 (youre using os2008 i assume) Dec 26 14:45:48 I *think* it was the extras-repository (and yes, os2008) Dec 26 14:46:19 the extras repository works for you? Dec 26 14:46:32 did at least at the time :) Dec 26 14:47:53 works now aswell Dec 26 14:48:03 but still no python-gtk available for selection Dec 26 14:49:16 python2.5-gtk2 ? Dec 26 14:50:12 jep Dec 26 14:50:21 must be some other repository Dec 26 14:52:40 http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php?lang=en&system=maemo4%0A is a good site. Dec 26 14:52:52 list of repositories. Dec 26 14:53:10 sikor_sxe, did you try the pymaemo .install files? Dec 26 14:56:30 i can't Dec 26 14:56:35 the installation fire is corrupt Dec 26 14:56:54 sikor_sxe, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2620 Dec 26 14:57:15 there's a workaround there about changing from repository.maemo.org to stage.maemo.org Dec 26 14:57:43 at least in the sdk it worked Dec 26 14:57:55 I'm getting a number of corrupt install files, ukmp, canola2 Dec 26 14:58:10 * doc|humbug reads bug report Dec 26 14:58:41 lmoura: i did that Dec 26 14:58:56 and pymaemo is installed with the correct version Dec 26 14:59:04 i miss python2.5-gtk however Dec 26 15:00:24 pffff my repository still doesn't work ... grrr Dec 26 15:00:38 <|tbb|> veggen got it? Dec 26 15:02:22 Anyone from the Canola team here today? Dec 26 15:03:30 well, no idea why python-gtk2 doesn't show up Dec 26 15:04:41 when i browse the repo manually its there Dec 26 15:07:45 wee. The usb host mode on my n800 works, in os2008. Dec 26 15:08:54 Veggen: with the stock kernel? Dec 26 15:09:03 yup. Dec 26 15:09:08 wow Dec 26 15:09:09 anyone got an idea why the pkgs in the stage. repository do not show in the installation manager? Dec 26 15:09:19 Veggen: what device did you try? Dec 26 15:09:34 shackan: A usb-disk which has power itself. Dec 26 15:09:43 sweet Dec 26 15:09:46 No power injection-stuff needed. Dec 26 15:10:01 of course it didn't automount tough, right? :) Dec 26 15:10:19 well. It did automount after I switched to hostmode. Dec 26 15:11:24 but as far as I know, there's not a userfriendly app to do that, yet. Dec 26 15:12:26 Only thing needed is echo host > /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode Dec 26 15:12:50 (that switches it, and then it automagically was mounted) Dec 26 15:15:03 now, let's push some luck and see if my D200 digital camera works without power. (else, I'm gonna have to dig for my usb hub with power) Dec 26 15:15:13 <|tbb|> veggen you havent needed a modified usb cable? Dec 26 15:16:42 stage is working, and canola's nice :) Dec 26 15:18:43 tbb: only converters, which I picked up once on a shop which sells normal cables/electronics stuff etc. Dec 26 15:19:53 nuts. need to dig into the messy boxes with gadgets for my powered usb hub. Dec 26 15:20:21 so, I find osso-xterm for OS2007, but not for OS2008 Dec 26 15:20:39 <|tbb|> have 2 research for some cable like that Dec 26 15:20:48 osso-xterm is included in OS2008 Dec 26 15:21:31 tontsa_: thanks. Dec 26 15:21:53 I'm not going to flash unless I find that stuff I use regularly is available. That's one of them. Dec 26 15:23:55 j apache Dec 26 15:23:57 er Dec 26 15:28:13 hmm. Dec 26 15:28:19 It worked with a powered hub. Dec 26 15:29:57 i bet someone could sell a decent groovebox / software synth program for the tablets Dec 26 15:34:31 <|tbb|> veggen:http://maemo.org/downloads/product/raw/OS2007/moredimmingoptions/?get_installfile Dec 26 15:36:44 <|tbb|> but acmonitor http://www.guardiani.us/index.php/N800_custom_packages#acmonitor doesnt work on os2008 for me Dec 26 15:37:40 tbb: the options to not have the network sleep is actually what's most useful for me. Dec 26 15:38:06 tbb: Does that package work on os2008? Dec 26 15:38:20 <|tbb|> acmonitor not Dec 26 15:39:10 <|tbb|> what r the network sleep options Dec 26 15:40:56 acmonitor had an option to ping an external site regularly to make the network not sleep. Dec 26 15:41:30 normally, the network will sleep, and only wake up periodically and/or when the n800 needed to access something in the world. Dec 26 15:42:02 it's have to ping pretty frequently to stop sleeping, heh Dec 26 15:42:06 it'd even Dec 26 15:42:24 mm. Dec 26 15:42:53 now silly access points that think you've gone away if you don't need anything for a few minutes, on the other hand... Dec 26 15:43:24 right now, I have a ping running on it to be able to ssh into it (I do sometimes prefer that to using the device itself, when playing with lower-level stuff on it ;) Dec 26 15:45:13 I use a box with openbsd 3.9 with a good old prism2 802.11b in it as an access-point....(it's also my firewall, so I have wireless on it's own zone on the firewall. messes up the media discovery things, though *sigh* Dec 26 15:45:16 yeah, I get that from the keepalives -o BatchMode=yes does on my sshfs mounts Dec 26 15:45:46 (the dear ap, don't disassociate me after 5mins silent thing that is) Dec 26 15:46:31 I wonder why the ap doesn't ask before disassociating Dec 26 15:46:41 I guess it could be a fear of waking things up Dec 26 15:46:54 so, is osso-browser still opera-based? Dec 26 15:47:06 (in 2008?) Dec 26 15:47:12 no! Dec 26 15:47:12 OS2008 doesn't come with opera Dec 26 15:47:25 moz, or what? Dec 26 15:48:39 it's mozilla's new microB Dec 26 15:49:17 ah Dec 26 15:56:45 <|tbb|> is it possible to make the toolbar of xterm bigger than now Dec 26 15:59:23 * timeless frowns Dec 26 15:59:34 sp3000: so, i'm writing a repository validator Dec 26 15:59:39 and some of my files are failing Dec 26 16:00:02 ! repository.maemo.org/extras pool/chinook/free/p/pidgin-extprefs/pidgin-extprefs_0.7-0nix2_armel.deb 12380 != 12382 Dec 26 16:01:06 what is up with the freaking repos Dec 26 16:01:16 infobot repository.maemo.org deb Dec 26 16:01:17 hmm... repository.maemo.org deb is unofficial, all warrantees void, http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/repository-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb Dec 26 16:01:26 ph|ber: install that, it should handle most things Dec 26 16:03:51 hrm Dec 26 16:03:54 that's odd Dec 26 16:03:59 the Packages file itself seems corrupt here Dec 26 16:22:01 timeless> can you write a simple repository creator, where you can simply add a .deb that you can upload by simple web page ? :) Dec 26 16:24:34 Is nicotine corrupted? for os2008? Dec 26 16:25:02 Can't install it Dec 26 16:26:04 skibur > all maemo repository are corrupted ... Dec 26 16:27:36 o ok Dec 26 16:27:40 skibur: You don't want that anyway. You'll never be able to stop using it without hypnosis or shock therapy. Dec 26 16:28:10 :) Dec 26 16:28:54 * sp3000 goes take a waddle through the domain of sucky bug summaries Dec 26 16:29:02 khertan: i probably could Dec 26 16:29:11 i'd rather not Dec 26 16:29:22 skibur: the nicotine i have was flagged as bad Dec 26 16:29:45 i'm grabbing two sets of files, i'll check it again when this finishes Dec 26 16:29:50 how to not convince me: Summary: Add [...] options. Comment 0: [...] it would be nice to have some options [...] Dec 26 16:30:00 * timeless rotfl Dec 26 16:30:04 bad app? or bad deb? Dec 26 16:30:12 i only deal in debs Dec 26 16:30:16 * timeless doesn't install apps Dec 26 16:30:38 * sp3000 finds it normal to flag nicotine as bad Dec 26 16:31:17 sp3000: i don't think nicotine is worse than a fiasco Dec 26 16:31:31 timeless > i'd rather not ? " <<<< why not ? Dec 26 16:31:43 khertan: i'd be responsible for it Dec 26 16:31:54 to do it properly, you need some way to (a) disclaim liability Dec 26 16:31:58 and (b) have people managing it Dec 26 16:32:08 timeless > arf yes ... right :) Dec 26 16:32:23 but i ll like to have this to manage my own repos :) Dec 26 16:32:41 (which is break at this time) Dec 26 16:33:15 * timeless sighs and looks for relevant scripts Dec 26 16:34:53 * Khertan take a look at http://khertan.net/maemo to know why this sucks ! Dec 26 16:36:08 hi guys, why are the debs broken ? Dec 26 16:36:16 hrm, your files are in dists/ not pool? Dec 26 16:36:17 odd Dec 26 16:36:34 yeah, pool is optional Dec 26 16:36:36 crevetor: eh Dec 26 16:36:56 * sp3000 thinks pools only came about a few years ago Dec 26 16:37:05 timeless > i know ... but as i found .deb / repository a good thing for user .... and i like apt-get tools Dec 26 16:37:14 * sp3000 could be talking out of his /dev/random Dec 26 16:37:21 i think that tool to create repository sucks a lot ! Dec 26 16:37:39 and documentation isn't really usefull Dec 26 16:38:28 samethings for uploading .deb to a repository Dec 26 16:39:01 timeless: eh ? nobody has the answer ? Dec 26 16:39:17 crevetor > /topic Dec 26 16:39:21 infobot repository.maemo.org deb Dec 26 16:39:22 rumour has it, repository.maemo.org deb is unofficial, all warrantees void, http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/repository-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb Dec 26 16:39:37 crevetor: you're free to try that Dec 26 16:39:57 anybody running abiword on os2008? Dec 26 16:40:11 * timeless grumbles Dec 26 16:40:26 * timeless kicks the official repository Dec 26 16:40:44 VICTIM=/etc/hosts Dec 26 16:40:49 like it ... :) Dec 26 16:40:51 Is there any kind of hook between the browser and VoIP software to allow you to click a link and it automatically dials the number? Dec 26 16:41:02 fmz: callto:foopy Dec 26 16:41:21 timeless: what is it ? Dec 26 16:41:28 timeless: I don't have his number... badump *psh* Dec 26 16:41:42 .... hum .... Dec 26 16:41:44 bye Dec 26 16:41:45 fmz: i have no idea what callto takes, try callto:username Dec 26 16:42:04 timeless: so if I did something along the lines of: Foopy it should work? Dec 26 16:42:10 * timeless shrugs Dec 26 16:42:10 callto is registered by Skype I believe Dec 26 16:42:11 timeless: Cool, thanks man Dec 26 16:42:20 all i know is that callto will launch /something/ Dec 26 16:42:44 lol Dec 26 16:42:46 http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20030913/266/ - take a look here Dec 26 16:43:10 blahblah Dec 26 16:44:10 poor quim Dec 26 16:44:32 timeless: the package url you gave is it a deb that updates /etc/host so that repository.maemo.org points to your repo ? Dec 26 16:44:43 Hmm... wonder if it only supports Skype-to-Skype calls. Dec 26 16:44:50 yes Dec 26 16:45:42 timeless: ok, i'll just add it to my repose then and desactivate the maemo repo Dec 26 16:45:51 i *need* to try out canola2 Dec 26 16:45:53 err, no Dec 26 16:46:09 don't deactivate the official repo Dec 26 16:46:17 I need to find ettercap port for n800 somehow :/ Dec 26 16:46:19 mine only answers to the same hostname as the official Dec 26 16:46:20 any word on n810 codes going live? Dec 26 16:46:30 timeless: why is that ? Dec 26 16:46:32 solarion: it's christmas holiday Dec 26 16:46:44 crevetor: the goal is to transparently switch servers Dec 26 16:46:48 timeless: so not for a while yet? Dec 26 16:46:59 application manager shouldn't know that anything happened Dec 26 16:47:00 timeless: oh ok Dec 26 16:47:14 i'll install your deb then Dec 26 16:47:33 you can remove the deb at any time, and nothing bad should happen Dec 26 16:47:55 ok Dec 26 16:47:55 ok, looks like i don't have nicotine, i'll grab it shortly Dec 26 16:48:02 oh, this is bora :) Dec 26 16:49:06 someone tried "repostory.maemo.org" as list address? Dec 26 16:51:03 zoran: doing that is considered risky Dec 26 16:51:09 it might break upgrades Dec 26 16:51:20 (probably will, although testing it requires too much work) Dec 26 16:51:22 k Dec 26 16:51:31 there wqas a thread on itt Dec 26 16:51:41 * timeless avoids itt Dec 26 16:51:48 hm Dec 26 16:51:55 i avoid carotts Dec 26 16:52:20 they're out to get you? Dec 26 16:52:30 :) Dec 26 16:53:06 * timeless frowns Dec 26 16:53:27 sp3000: so, can you think of why repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/p/pidgin-extprefs/pidgin-extprefs_0.7-0nix2_armel.deb would have the wrong Size: in Packages ? Dec 26 16:53:29 * sp3000 tests a random callto url Dec 26 16:53:35 ! repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/p/pidgin-extprefs/pidgin-extprefs_0.7-0nix2_armel.deb 12380 != 12382 Dec 26 16:53:56 repository gave me 12382, but the file says 12380 :( Dec 26 16:54:06 what is small diff between friends? Dec 26 16:54:07 hmm, yeah, that seems to work Dec 26 16:54:24 timeless: multiple versions with the same version number ? Dec 26 16:54:35 unbelievable Dec 26 16:54:57 crevetor: i'd be moderately annoyed if any real/official place allowed that Dec 26 16:55:00 that is, callto:timeless@g did something that looks like a call to something that has the expected avatar on it Dec 26 16:55:29 timeless: sure, but who knows (i don't) Dec 26 16:55:37 * timeless nods Dec 26 16:55:40 i could call nix Dec 26 16:55:56 how do i put a lowercase when the n810 is putting an uppercase? Dec 26 16:55:56 who manages the repositories at maemo.org ? Dec 26 16:56:10 ph|ber: push the maj key once Dec 26 16:56:14 ph|ber: pressing shift once and then the letter doesn't work? Dec 26 16:56:32 sp300: actually Dec 26 16:56:37 timeless: hum, if it were out of date it should have a different version I suppose Dec 26 16:56:40 What irc client do you use on n800? Dec 26 16:56:41 ! repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/bora/free/p/pidgin-extprefs/pidgin-extprefs_0.7-0nix2_armel.deb 12378 != 12382 Dec 26 16:56:58 it looks like nix has sent at least 2 files that are unhappy Dec 26 16:57:10 hrm Dec 26 16:57:20 i wonder if it's confusing file 3 w/ files 1 and 2 Dec 26 16:57:55 * crevetor thinks there should be a news on maemo.org informing people that the repos are down Dec 26 16:58:12 cause i wondered at one point if my device was doing something wrong Dec 26 16:59:41 timeless, maybe some back end script chooses different sources for the file of the same name Dec 26 16:59:56 lke rr Dec 26 17:00:56 sp3000: http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/repository-check.txt Dec 26 17:01:13 http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/repository-check.input Dec 26 17:02:37 anyone have vncviewer for the 810 out yet? Dec 26 17:06:44 * timeless ponders at free/u/unrar-nonfree Dec 26 17:07:30 hm repository resolves at 213.254.238.137; "repostory" resolves to 61.61.85.32 Dec 26 17:07:51 repository is akamai, it'll resolve to something "near" you Dec 26 17:08:04 *.maemo.org that isn't something special is stage.maemo.org Dec 26 17:08:13 yes, see it now Dec 26 17:16:47 hello Dec 26 17:31:55 I went to tweak my sources list only to find out that the applications manager actually puts the repository information in "/etc/hildon-applications/catalogues" and not "/etc/apt/sources.list" why has maemo deviated from using sources.list, what is the advantage? Dec 26 17:32:41 * timeless chuckles Dec 26 17:32:43 advantages Dec 26 17:32:57 it's 100% xml buzzword compliant Dec 26 17:33:22 parsing it is as complicated as parsing xml Dec 26 17:33:37 instead of as simple as renaming files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ Dec 26 17:33:53 and it isn't really maemo that deviated Dec 26 17:34:17 timeless, Nokia then. Dec 26 17:35:57 svolpe: who wouldn't want to be buzzword compliant? :) Dec 26 17:36:04 I wouldn't. Dec 26 17:36:31 svolpe, It just seemed like a bad idea, in the past when certain distros diviated from standard config files it always seemed to lead to quite a bit of headache and incompatibility. However I hate to be judgemental :-) Dec 26 17:39:14 sources.list is still used :) it's just write only :) Dec 26 17:39:44 hi all Dec 26 17:54:57 that lastfm client works well Dec 26 17:55:34 is it usefull? Dec 26 17:56:39 * sp3000 giggles at selectively select Dec 26 17:56:42 * sp3000 is mean Dec 26 17:59:43 Morning all. Dec 26 18:01:27 yes if listen lastfm Dec 26 18:03:08 * sp3000 insults bb ash's tab completion of directory entries starting with + Dec 26 18:04:16 some reason gpg didn't work as user Dec 26 18:09:26 sp3000: is that in a bug? :) Dec 26 18:09:34 sp3000: i think i figured out one of these bugs Dec 26 18:09:43 Filename: pool/chinook/free/p/pidgin/pidgin-dbg_2.3.1-0nix0_i386.deb Dec 26 18:09:43 Size: 892 Dec 26 18:09:47 Filename: pool/chinook/free/p/pidgin/pidgin-dbg_2.3.1-0nix1_i386.deb Dec 26 18:09:47 Size: 875542 Dec 26 18:10:21 o_O Dec 26 18:10:53 * sp3000 finds the changed digit Dec 26 18:11:02 but that's an interesting change Dec 26 18:11:11 -rw-rw-r-- 1 timeless pg922508 884910 2007-12-13 15:30 repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/p/pidgin/pidgin-dbg_2.3.1-0nix0_armel.deb Dec 26 18:11:11 -rw-rw-r-- 1 timeless pg922508 875544 2007-12-14 16:30 repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/p/pidgin/pidgin-dbg_2.3.1-0nix0_i386.deb Dec 26 18:11:11 -rw-rw-r-- 1 timeless pg922508 884926 2007-12-15 16:30 repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/p/pidgin/pidgin-dbg_2.3.1-0nix1_armel.deb Dec 26 18:11:11 -rw-rw-r-- 1 timeless pg922508 875542 2007-12-15 16:30 repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/p/pidgin/pidgin-dbg_2.3.1-0nix1_i386.deb Dec 26 18:11:12 rather like a b vs kB Dec 26 18:11:19 er, B vs kB even Dec 26 18:11:28 * timeless shrugs Dec 26 18:13:00 so not quite Dec 26 18:13:04 nope :( Dec 26 18:15:33 anyway, since it isn't the latest version of the file, i suppose i don't care much Dec 26 18:15:38 but .. Dec 26 18:18:49 Hi Dec 26 18:33:01 Is irssi or bitlbee ported maemo? Dec 26 18:40:44 grrrr, mplayer+maemo-- Dec 26 18:41:24 hahlo: https://garage.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/irsii-commits Dec 26 18:41:57 good Dec 26 18:42:32 then one can do irc with it Dec 26 18:42:38 Any news on when the maemo repository will be fine? I can't install maemo sdk because 'apt-get update' fails telling me there is a network problem Dec 26 18:45:33 infobot repository.maemo.org deb Dec 26 18:45:34 well, repository.maemo.org deb is unofficial, all warrantees void, http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/repository-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb Dec 26 18:45:44 blackd0t: you should be able to install that deb and be happy Dec 26 18:46:23 Ahh so this is the one changing the dns? Dec 26 18:46:29 yes Dec 26 18:46:33 Thanks I'll try that Dec 26 18:46:34 * timeless puzzles Dec 26 18:46:50 you've heard of this somewhere? Dec 26 18:47:20 Yeah, I've been on this channel ~2 hours ago, but then I had no idea what you were talking about ;) Dec 26 18:47:26 Now it all makes sense Dec 26 18:50:37 timeless, Should we just dpkg -i that .deb file than rerun the the SDK install script with the "don't try to download" option? Dec 26 18:51:14 dskippy: the nokia binaries script is not in my repository Dec 26 18:51:19 because i believe i can't legally have it Dec 26 18:51:30 so make sure you already have that :) Dec 26 18:52:00 hmm, so the mplayer.garage.maemo.org install script doesn't work and the deb on the berlios site doesn't install. Anyone got an alternative to install mplayer? Dec 26 18:52:04 timeless, everytime I've tried to install that I get an error in my script anyway. Dec 26 18:52:10 So I've been skipping it. Dec 26 18:52:13 What do I need it for? Dec 26 18:52:24 * timeless shrugs Dec 26 18:52:33 i've never setup the nokia bits Dec 26 18:52:40 timeless, is python2.5 in your repository by any chance? Dec 26 18:53:01 s/berlios/garage Dec 26 18:53:09 it should be in extras for chinook Dec 26 18:53:19 Hmm, this script is still doing some apt-get'ing. Dec 26 18:54:04 dskippy: i need to find someone who can write an evil proxy script Dec 26 18:54:12 * timeless tried hijacking one and failed Dec 26 18:56:03 happy $day Dec 26 18:57:15 anyone? Dec 26 18:57:40 You want to try proxying so that the repository points elsewhere or something? Dec 26 18:57:55 the installer supports a proxy Dec 26 18:58:06 timeless: The dns fix works like a charm so far, thanks again Dec 26 18:58:16 i'd like to be able to have a proxy usually picks my server, but for the nokia stuff picks the real one Dec 26 19:00:53 pupnik, Dec 26 19:01:13 hi Dec 26 19:01:22 this apt-get from the repository (after installing your .deb) *seems* to be working (40%) Dec 26 19:01:33 I found a genesis emu that seems to be working Dec 26 19:01:34 i am guessing more good gngeo news, right unnique><": Dec 26 19:01:41 oh no way Dec 26 19:01:48 but only get black screen on the device. Dec 26 19:01:59 I'm still not clear on if the python2.5 stuff is in your repository or not, timeless. Dec 26 19:02:04 cooool Dec 26 19:02:06 segfaults in scratchox always because of sound. Dec 26 19:02:15 try a different rom Dec 26 19:02:19 but definitely looks like it wants to live Dec 26 19:02:24 tried a couple. Dec 26 19:02:33 everything seems to be working from the command line. Dec 26 19:02:38 no errors at all. Dec 26 19:02:46 but just the blank screen. Dec 26 19:02:57 and a noise. Dec 26 19:03:13 Is it possible to port ettercap with the maemo sdk? Dec 26 19:03:34 should be easy blackdot as long as promiscuous mode works Dec 26 19:03:51 it is sdl unique Dec 26 19:03:56 yes Dec 26 19:04:09 i did manage to compile the tcltk frontend version of it. Dec 26 19:04:27 pupnik770: what interests me the most is just the arp poisoning technique that ettercap uses Dec 26 19:04:39 the gtk version i cant get to compile. Dec 26 19:04:58 pupnik770: promiscuous mode should work as the wireless card is able to get into monitor mode with no problem Dec 26 19:05:54 youre not talking about dgen unique}]" Dec 26 19:06:07 no Dec 26 19:06:10 generator Dec 26 19:06:35 generator-0.35-cbiere-r2.tar.bz2 <---- that version Dec 26 19:06:37 and also Dec 26 19:06:42 ill check here Dec 26 19:06:52 also the regular generator-0.35 Dec 26 19:07:13 you need to line out 1 line. Dec 26 19:08:01 maybe you don't need to. Dec 26 19:08:36 y0 Dec 26 19:08:56 anyone using gnokii with a symbian based phone? Dec 26 19:09:41 pupnik i will pm you the string Dec 26 19:09:45 hmm i have a different version Dec 26 19:09:57 and links Dec 26 19:09:58 also o.35 but not cbiere i think Dec 26 19:09:59 :q Dec 26 19:10:00 thanks Dec 26 19:10:08 0.35 will work also Dec 26 19:10:10 it doesnt build here Dec 26 19:10:23 hehe, wrong window, not the VI window, sorry :-) Dec 26 19:11:03 * pupnik770 finds a 770 the perfect companion for IRCing while playing chess with relatives on christmas Dec 26 19:11:56 * sp3000 likes the karma math on this one: http://maemo.org/profile/view/scriptkiller Dec 26 19:12:11 ircing while playing chess? Is your family exceptionally bad playing chess? Dec 26 19:12:34 (not requiring your attention) Dec 26 19:12:46 Veggen, no, his IRC friends are exceptionally good ;) Dec 26 19:13:24 "Shoot, dad captured my knight, what do I do?" - pipnik770 Dec 26 19:13:48 :) Dec 26 19:13:52 pupnik770 do i pm pupnik770 or pupnik? Dec 26 19:14:01 770 Dec 26 19:14:08 just not registered with this guy Dec 26 19:14:11 dskippy, I'm having the same issue with the sdk script, I have installed timeless's dpkg but I guess now my question is how do I know were the original sdk script left off? Is there one main deb file I can install that pulls everything else? Dec 26 19:14:36 cbeires version http://www.dylanleigh.net/software/lostemulators/generator-0.35-cbiere-r2.tar.bz2 Dec 26 19:14:39 pupnik770: what irc client are you using now? Dec 26 19:14:48 svolpe, I am having luck with running the sdk script with -fcyd Dec 26 19:14:58 After installing timeless's .deb Dec 26 19:15:18 xchat Dec 26 19:15:24 But I fear this is not going to help me get python2.5 on my scratchbox or the device itself. Dec 26 19:15:30 grabbing it unique311 Dec 26 19:15:35 CFLAGS=-O3 ./configure --with-gcc --with-sdl --with-cmz80 Dec 26 19:15:40 k Dec 26 19:15:43 was told to use -O3 for speed Dec 26 19:15:58 Amazon.com Christmas bestseller announcement: "In PCs, the top sellers included Apple MacBook, Nokia Internet Tablet PC and HP Pavilion Entertainment Notebook PC." Dec 26 19:16:07 pupnik770: I have to find it somewhere as the official port site seemed broken last time I visited it :/ Dec 26 19:16:19 I'm at an excting 98% post timeless.deb Dec 26 19:16:29 blackd0t, cant work on it now sry Dec 26 19:16:49 dskippy: Everything worked fine for me, so it should be fine for you as well :) Dec 26 19:16:58 pupnik770: Sure no problem :) Dec 26 19:17:06 you will get 1 error on the building it. you need o line out line 123 in reg68k.c Dec 26 19:17:09 blackd0t, you using python2.5 by any chance? Dec 26 19:17:22 but then again that might be why the screen is black...lol Dec 26 19:17:25 dskippy: Nope Dec 26 19:17:36 Damn. I think I'm on my own with that one. Dec 26 19:17:58 dskippy: I only needed to install Ruby for Metasploit Framework :) Dec 26 19:18:39 hrmpf Dec 26 19:18:52 making a usb otg cable Dec 26 19:18:55 blackd0t, maybe I'll just have to write this in Ruby then. Dec 26 19:19:06 * sp3000 slaps /proc/PID/stat Dec 26 19:19:11 anyone? Dec 26 19:19:26 ok building unique Dec 26 19:19:32 ok thanks Dec 26 19:19:50 dskippy: Ruby seems to work fine, I can do in metasploit everything that I can on stationary computers Dec 26 19:20:16 dskippy, thanks. Dec 26 19:20:24 svolpe, no problem. Dec 26 19:21:32 dskippy, not sure if it helps, but I have OE set up to build N800 debs so I might be able to build the python2.5 debs with it as I too need to get python running. This solution will only help with the device of course. Dec 26 19:22:13 anybody using Mobile MythTv? Dec 26 19:22:31 kulve: me Dec 26 19:22:49 but I cant get it to work with the last OS2008 image Dec 26 19:22:54 it worked with OS2008 beta Dec 26 19:23:12 hugol1: I'm running the client ok on os2008, but I'm having problems with the transcoder part.. Dec 26 19:23:39 kulve: it doesnt start for me after I configure it Dec 26 19:23:57 I compiled everything from the svn/gitr Dec 26 19:23:58 -r Dec 26 19:24:02 the transcoding part was fine Dec 26 19:24:09 kulve: ok, I used the debs Dec 26 19:24:13 thats why Dec 26 19:24:19 dskippy, I'm tired of there not being a good scientific calculator out there so I figured I would write one in python since I also want to learn python :-) Dec 26 19:24:41 svlope, sounds like a pretty useful program. Dec 26 19:24:54 svolpe, will you maybe add some graphing to it? Dec 26 19:25:13 svolpe, that's pretty surprising there's not yet a scientific calculator for maemo. Dec 26 19:26:48 dskippy, I want to make it full featured. there is the HP48S emulator but I don't like it. I like RPN but not the HP48S. Dec 26 19:27:52 dskippy: my repository is just a /working/ copy of the real repository, and it has python2.5 in extras just like real does, see http://gronmayer.com/it/index.php?lang=en&system=maemo4 Dec 26 19:28:09 svolpe: tell me about it. The last good HP was the 42S :) Dec 26 19:28:57 (I know you might disagree and say the 15C, though ;) Dec 26 19:29:11 Veggen, hehe, I love my 28S. well there is a 42S emulator (thats the one I meant..) but I still don't like running an emulator. Dec 26 19:30:58 timeless, I have the deb you posted. But how should I point my apt-sources to your repository. Dec 26 19:31:43 dskippy: installing the deb changes dns for the normal repositories Dec 26 19:33:23 Ah I see. so I am using your repository right now then? Dec 26 19:33:32 if you installed the deb, yes Dec 26 19:33:46 Can I install this .deb on my n800? Dec 26 19:33:55 yes Dec 26 19:34:20 * timeless originally wrote it for normal devices Dec 26 19:34:36 Awesome. Dec 26 19:35:31 hrm, last person to use it grabbed samba-common :) Dec 26 19:36:02 hrm, that's you Dec 26 19:37:50 how can i fix this warning? Dec 26 19:37:54 W: GPG error: http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com ./ Release: The following signatures were invalid: NODATA 1 NODATA 2 Dec 26 19:38:00 you can't Dec 26 19:38:03 it's a warning Dec 26 19:38:06 and it's nokia's fault Dec 26 19:38:16 you could fix it by turning the device off until they fix it Dec 26 19:38:42 timeless: uh, that was a quick response :-) Dec 26 19:38:45 pupnik, you got dgen runnig already, lol. Dec 26 19:38:57 screw generator. Dec 26 19:40:22 hmm... well, and now my real problem: apt-get cannot find libgettextpo0 Dec 26 19:40:31 is that related to that warning? Dec 26 19:40:37 the warning is just a warning Dec 26 19:40:46 or is my sources.list incomplete? Dec 26 19:40:57 * tbf wonders were to find the default sources.list Dec 26 19:41:08 timeless, how do I undo the chances your .deb makes later when the repository is back? Dec 26 19:41:09 tbf: which os? 2008? Dec 26 19:41:17 timeless: yup Dec 26 19:41:29 pupnik, i found this thread on ITT. dejavu http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9891 Dec 26 19:41:29 tbf: gronmayer claims it doesn't know of a package by that name Dec 26 19:41:53 timeless: who or what is gronmayer? Dec 26 19:42:04 tbf,topic Dec 26 19:42:25 a metacatalog you might say Dec 26 19:42:26 sp3000: duh Dec 26 19:43:24 timeless: strange: glom depends on that package Dec 26 19:43:32 re topic, there's no ox2008 download slowness anymore is there Dec 26 19:43:39 s/ox/os Dec 26 19:43:49 since about the weekend or thereabouts Dec 26 19:44:01 sp3000: i think it's no longer slow Dec 26 19:44:03 just broken :) Dec 26 19:44:22 Can you send me a mount command to mount the n800 device through the usb data cable on linux? Dec 26 19:45:12 timeless, sp3000: he, but really have to bookmark that site on the n800. very useful! Dec 26 19:45:32 sp3000: is there some file that lists all files contained in all packages? Dec 26 19:45:35 i thought i saw one Dec 26 19:45:36 blackd0t: something like: mount -t vfat /dev/sdb1 /mnt ? Dec 26 19:46:06 kulve: Ok, I just don't know what filesystem to use and which device it can be Dec 26 19:46:13 "dmesg" will show the device name your linux box sees the n800. And if you have two cards in the n800, you will see them both Dec 26 19:46:42 on my box it's usually sda1 and sdb1 Dec 26 19:46:43 timeless: like http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/chinook/Contents-armel.gz ? Dec 26 19:46:48 sounds good Dec 26 19:46:55 kulve: Ahh yes, you're right. Thanks a lot Dec 26 19:47:55 sp3000: yeah that Dec 26 19:48:05 but, what does that mean? Dec 26 19:49:31 hmM? Dec 26 19:49:43 unique311, no idea what commenting that out does but the cpu load while running generator is zero Dec 26 19:50:08 tbf: so um Dec 26 19:50:14 usr/lib/libgettextpo.so.0 devel/gettext Dec 26 19:50:51 timeless: checking right now, if am also a victim of that stupid repostory bug Dec 26 19:52:04 * timeless wonders what glom is Dec 26 19:52:33 (20:50:51) tbf: timeless: checking right now, if am also a victim of that stupid repostory bug Dec 26 19:52:42 to attach suddenly to something like a child hugging a grandmother Dec 26 19:52:45 re the nokia repository thing Dec 26 19:52:59 what happened was they updated one file but didn't update the gpg signature Dec 26 19:53:03 it's a process bug Dec 26 19:53:18 and the only people who can fix it are those (a) w/ the key and (b) w/ write access to the server Dec 26 19:53:36 timeless: nah, that DNS name typo Dec 26 19:53:51 timeless: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13721 Dec 26 19:54:05 tbf: this was to someone who has a problem w/ the nokia catalogue Dec 26 19:54:12 which is a *different* repository Dec 26 19:54:16 with *different* problems :) Dec 26 19:55:28 pupnik770, you got dgen working? Dec 26 19:55:40 Ok, a question. I compiled my first simple printf("Hello world") with 'gcc -o hello hello.c" in ARMEL scratchbox, copied it to n800, but when I execute it in xterm it tells me "Permission denied" despite the fact there are already execute permissions on it. Dec 26 19:56:40 tbf: ok... so... Dec 26 19:56:49 afaik that package is "wrong" Dec 26 19:56:52 but maybe i'm wrong Dec 26 19:56:58 generator is a emualtor for genesis and megadrive., dgen is only a genesis emu. Dec 26 19:57:08 hrm, nope Dec 26 19:57:13 it seems that there is such a package Dec 26 19:57:37 pupnik770, you tried getting better speeds from dgen? Dec 26 19:59:54 anyway, re glom, i'm assuming that whomever "ported" glom to maemo didn't realize they needed to publish libgettextpo0 too Dec 26 20:04:51 blackd0t: the mmcs are mounted as "noexec" by default Dec 26 20:05:17 blackd0t: so, maybe easiest thing is to copy it to ~ (i.e. /home/user/) and run it there Dec 26 20:07:44 the other way is to create a file and loopback mount any unix filesystem from it :) Dec 26 20:07:46 timeless: well, let's see if i can catch one of the glom guys tomorrow, to figure out what's wrong Dec 26 20:08:12 tbf: can you figure out who posted the deb? Dec 26 20:08:34 timeless: yes, i know that guys. they just aren't online this evening Dec 26 20:09:02 * tbf postpones that problem, until they come online Dec 26 20:09:12 unique311, no Dec 26 20:09:27 more interesting now: why is wayfinder's map empty on a n800? Dec 26 20:09:35 'cause of the missing GPS chip? Dec 26 20:09:47 no Dec 26 20:09:51 you need to download maps Dec 26 20:10:24 map>maps, available maps, update Dec 26 20:10:25 tbf: and if you don't have enough space on the internal mmc, if will act very oddly Dec 26 20:10:32 pick a map; download Dec 26 20:10:43 repeat as it tickles your fancy Dec 26 20:10:58 maps in device, select the one you want to use, ok Dec 26 20:11:22 kulve: how many space is needed? Dec 26 20:11:25 kulve: it's much more fun when the mmc Dec 26 20:11:31 tbf: some maps are ~1mb Dec 26 20:11:35 some are ~800mb Dec 26 20:11:43 ok, depends Dec 26 20:11:57 kulve:... the mmc is mounted readonly by the kernel because of corruption :) Dec 26 20:11:57 tbf: yeah, it will the the megabytes on the list Dec 26 20:12:02 timeless: so i just have to find your "map" entry Dec 26 20:12:12 ah! Dec 26 20:12:19 menu button on the right! Dec 26 20:12:27 on the "right"? Dec 26 20:12:43 timeless: erm... "the other right", aka "left" Dec 26 20:12:49 oh right! Dec 26 20:13:17 * timeless worried tbf might have left self hanging... Dec 26 20:14:01 timeless: thanks for help Dec 26 20:14:17 tbf: if you get glom fixed, thanks in advance :) Dec 26 20:16:02 timeless: (well, actually i work for openismus, aka the glom guys ;-) --- just exploring the n800 I've got on saturday) Dec 26 20:16:32 tbf: ok... Dec 26 20:16:37 * timeless doesn't know anything about glom Dec 26 20:16:44 nice device Dec 26 20:16:50 (that n800) Dec 26 20:17:28 my father, my brother, my father in law and my brother in law immediatly wanted to buy one, once they saw it :-D Dec 26 20:21:13 anyone tried connecting non-english keyboards to the n800 with usb otg? Dec 26 20:21:15 tbf I took mine to podcamp and just about everyonr there wanted it Dec 26 20:21:27 i'd very much like to have the extra æøå from norwegian keyboards Dec 26 20:22:37 Cptnodegard, sure haven't, might be able to do something with xmodmap if the n800 has norwegian support Dec 26 20:23:30 i think it has norwegian as one of the languages (nokia is finish after all, outr neighbors :P) Dec 26 20:23:39 so im crossing my fingers ^^ Dec 26 20:24:05 well you will get å atleast working :) Dec 26 20:24:32 i see norsk in the language/region dropdown Dec 26 20:24:47 :D Dec 26 20:24:55 nice, thx Dec 26 20:25:59 blimey are the maemo repos still knackered* Dec 26 20:27:16 ooops '?' not '*' Dec 26 20:27:34 infobot repository.maemo.org deb Dec 26 20:27:35 it has been said that repository.maemo.org deb is unofficial, all warrantees void, http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/repository-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb Dec 26 20:27:49 troozers: install that Dec 26 20:29:13 is it possible to change the user name used for connecting to samba servers? Dec 26 20:29:32 * tbf wants to backup some data from his GiB flash card Dec 26 20:30:21 installing... Dec 26 20:31:12 well, and what really bugs me, is the context menu always showing up below the pen Dec 26 20:31:32 the usability guys at nokia all must be left handers Dec 26 20:31:34 holy installing apps batman, it WORKS! Dec 26 20:31:40 tbf: it's funny Dec 26 20:31:44 everyone seems to think that Dec 26 20:31:47 cheers timeless Dec 26 20:31:52 but really, the device is designed for right handed people Dec 26 20:32:12 it just happens to magically work relatively well for left handed people because the designers think right handed people will use the device in one way Dec 26 20:32:26 and the lefties don't use it the exact opposite way Dec 26 20:32:35 of course its for right handers... rh gets stylus Dec 26 20:32:50 us left handers cant use dpad while holding stylus easily Dec 26 20:33:08 pupnik: yeah, but we quickly learn not to try Dec 26 20:33:40 sure, adversity is what makes us stronger Dec 26 20:33:43 :P Dec 26 20:34:04 well, we've got the force to change the source Dec 26 20:34:35 180 degree rotation for X *xrandr* would solve it Dec 26 20:34:40 guess I'll collect some karma by patching maemo's gtk to properly display the context menu Dec 26 20:34:59 tbf: eh? Dec 26 20:35:29 timeless: well, the tap-and-hold context menu always is covered by the stylus for me Dec 26 20:35:45 timeless: i cannot read the menu items, as i cannot look thru the stylus Dec 26 20:36:10 are you right handed or left handed? Dec 26 20:36:19 timeless: right-handed Dec 26 20:36:24 * timeless chuckles Dec 26 20:36:43 stylus in right hand? Dec 26 20:37:03 timeless: yup Dec 26 20:43:21 dskippy, were you able to get maemo-explicit to install? Dec 26 20:47:42 Where can I find libpcap dev version for maemo 4.0 in order to compile ettercap sources? Dec 26 20:52:33 timeless, I used your deb for modifying the hosts file to allow sdk to install, however I was unable to install maemo-explicit and it does not apear to be in the repo. Dec 26 20:52:58 it worked for me couple of hours ago Dec 26 21:08:52 hola Dec 26 21:10:25 can anyone tell me why the app manager on chinook would tell me that a package built in a chinook chroot is invalid? Dec 26 21:12:26 invalid section maybe? it should be user/something iirc Dec 26 21:17:15 it's a library Dec 26 21:17:27 dobey: look at the log Dec 26 21:17:52 where's that? in /var/log? Dec 26 21:17:59 menu tools log Dec 26 21:18:30 huh Dec 26 21:18:31 ok Dec 26 21:21:50 Does anyone know if there's a suggested practice for making multi-window programs? Dec 26 21:22:42 I am going to be making an application which will behave a lot like a wizard (but not linear) The user will chose from some fixed options and go to one of the 5 or 6 windows I have in the program. Dec 26 21:23:35 I'm conserned about closing windows causing the program to quit or window flicker and the like. I'm not sure if these are things that will really be an issue as I'm just starting out though. Dec 26 21:23:46 Looking for tips on which direction to go in. Dec 26 21:27:36 is there a hildon equivalent to something like xstring or opie-sh to do a simple UI from a shell script? Dec 26 22:37:10 http://pupnik.de/zwecklos.jpg Widerstand ist zwecklos. Dec 26 22:37:11 "Resistance is futile" Dec 26 22:37:50 <|R> :) Dec 26 22:49:52