**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Dec 27 02:59:57 2007 Dec 27 03:14:56 wow, i just found out there is a mono package for maemo Dec 27 03:16:45 anyway to , instead of the nokia boot image on n770, make it show the kernel booting messages? Dec 27 03:21:46 FAQ Dec 27 03:21:48 NA Dec 27 03:22:34 :o Dec 27 03:23:02 admin_, R&D mode shows the messages over the image Dec 27 03:25:55 really? Dec 27 03:26:03 yeah Dec 27 03:26:18 hmm, is there a way to show msges w/o flashing ? Dec 27 03:30:54 acydlord: ^ Dec 27 03:31:09 not that i know of Dec 27 03:31:37 darn Dec 27 03:36:51 can I do like, --get-rd-mode to somethign :P Dec 27 04:42:22 the PLANET needs ron paul Dec 27 04:42:22 the PLANET needs ron paul Dec 27 04:42:55 * |R needs a puppy Dec 27 04:56:29 Hmm, apparently PCSX does not like OS2008 Dec 27 05:33:11 quiet tonight. Dec 27 05:33:17 Very Dec 27 05:33:31 I think folks are burning out from dealing with the problems :-(. Dec 27 05:34:00 im not happy with os2008 Dec 27 05:34:33 the speed is nice, but stability has definitiely taken a turn for the worse. Dec 27 05:34:48 It's OK, but there seem to be a lot of problems that seem to point to nokia just not giving a damn. I know they are not that incompetent, all my nokia phones have been better than average by a good bit. Dec 27 05:34:58 where is fucktard waterboard boy Dec 27 05:35:01 oh sorry Dec 27 05:35:05 wrong channel Dec 27 05:35:08 LOL Dec 27 05:35:20 LOL drowning Dec 27 05:35:25 Dunno what to think, I like the device a lot. Dec 27 05:35:48 there is no safe channel from Dec 27 05:35:52 water board chat Dec 27 05:35:57 misplaced your taliban? Dec 27 05:36:08 because there is no safety from state torture Dec 27 05:36:11 * K`zan is all for waterboarding and MORE :-) Dec 27 05:36:28 Heh, torture, waterboarding ain't it. Dec 27 05:36:30 there is no region of society that is safe from the us application of torture Dec 27 05:36:38 Horsehocky. Dec 27 05:36:47 the USA now holds 15,000 ghost prisoners around the world Dec 27 05:36:49 by force Dec 27 05:36:51 without trial Dec 27 05:37:00 No where near enough for the shit they pull. Dec 27 05:37:01 no justicce Dec 27 05:37:05 depends. is the waterboarding done with liquid drain cleaner? Dec 27 05:37:07 hello all, anyone sorted out the problem with installing pidgin on n810 up to dated os version Dec 27 05:37:09 they are goatherders Dec 27 05:37:16 Agree with that, but the US ain't the problem in that department. Dec 27 05:37:18 hence Dec 27 05:37:27 the same tactics will now be used in irc Dec 27 05:37:27 Too many criminals just let run free, Dec 27 05:37:44 this channel will now be waterboarded Dec 27 05:37:49 drowned Dec 27 05:37:49 Not sure I agree with that for freenode, but maybe some of the other nets ;-) LOL. Dec 27 05:38:06 with violence Dec 27 05:38:12 drowned != waterboarding... Dec 27 05:38:12 you did nothing to deserve it Dec 27 05:38:16 too bad Dec 27 05:38:27 wtf where am I all I wanted was pidgin, can't we work things out Dec 27 05:38:28 it is drowning Dec 27 05:38:30 K`zan: Dec 27 05:38:39 it is bringing people to the point of death Dec 27 05:38:47 you bring them to within an inch of death Dec 27 05:38:50 Close ain't dead... Dec 27 05:38:50 without any evidence Dec 27 05:38:53 or trial Dec 27 05:38:56 it is torture Dec 27 05:38:57 Horsehocky Dec 27 05:38:58 open communication is key to solving our differences Dec 27 05:39:00 under the geneva conventions Dec 27 05:39:04 it is torture Dec 27 05:39:07 it is illegal Dec 27 05:39:09 it is not fun Dec 27 05:39:09 You REALLY need to get a grip on what you are dealing with. Dec 27 05:39:11 <|R> well puting someone in a state of physical panic is torture... thus waterboarding is torture Dec 27 05:39:12 i will do it to you Dec 27 05:39:16 K shit Dec 27 05:39:20 i will do it to you Dec 27 05:39:20 No you won't :-) Dec 27 05:39:24 want my fucking address Dec 27 05:39:28 i will waterboard you Dec 27 05:39:35 and you will then tell me it is a joke Dec 27 05:39:35 Nope, I stay away from loons as much as possibly. Dec 27 05:39:44 you fucking piece of human shit Dec 27 05:39:47 this is torture Dec 27 05:39:52 that you are promoting Dec 27 05:39:59 Piss off and deal with some reality. Dec 27 05:40:12 this is getting me no where, this channel has become torture for sure Dec 27 05:40:18 this is the state Dec 27 05:40:25 fucking with your channel Dec 27 05:40:26 <|R> http://waterboarding.org/ Dec 27 05:40:29 LOL, these folks are everywhere but in the real world Dec 27 05:40:37 it interrupts your fun little life Dec 27 05:40:53 like i interrupted maemo Dec 27 05:41:01 Dec 27 05:41:06 <|R> madar : pidgin should work no? there was a problem? (works on 2008 / n800) Dec 27 05:41:08 LOL, you sure don't need to do anything for that to happen LOL. Dec 27 05:41:19 can't get an install to take Dec 27 05:41:30 Dunno, from what I can gather the repositories are hosed big time. Dec 27 05:41:48 I'm just chilling until after the start of the new year. Dec 27 05:42:03 We'll see what happens when and if the smoke clears. Dec 27 05:42:24 For the moment my n800 is pretty much doing what I want. Dec 27 05:42:32 Old 2008 release. Dec 27 05:42:36 acts like it's going to but the file is reported to be 2.3mb tries pulling something about 700k says it can't install and then shows up in the installed apps list Broken of course... Dec 27 05:42:52 I do keep thinking that going back to 2007 might be wise, dunno yet. Dec 27 05:43:01 any sign of them clearing anytime soon? Dec 27 05:43:15 One I keep trying to get keeps telling me the file is corrupted... Dec 27 05:43:19 No idea. Dec 27 05:43:32 I guess we wait. Dec 27 05:43:34 I really don't. Dec 27 05:43:34 thanks all Dec 27 05:43:40 Nothing else to do :-). Dec 27 05:43:40 * |R misses iphome though Dec 27 05:43:43 how long have the repos been hosed? I've been trying to get the sdk environment set up in anticipation of getting an N800 in the next couple days, and I'm planning my attack. Dec 27 05:43:57 iphome was nice. poorly named though. Dec 27 05:44:13 I would think getting the sdk installed should be a lot easier than apps for the time being. Dec 27 05:44:14 hosed at least three days I can tell Dec 27 05:44:17 K`zan: my text was just a symbolic interruption - i make no threat against your person. Dec 27 05:44:24 <|R> Luria : indeed, iPhome :P Dec 27 05:44:31 pupnik_: Good, you live longer that way ;-)! Dec 27 05:45:09 And I'd, for the most part, miss ya :-)! Dec 27 05:45:32 it was just meant to illustrate how annoying force is, when it interrupts our productive stuff Dec 27 05:45:34 Apps seem to be scatted to the winds, I have no idea what is really available for 2008 Dec 27 05:46:01 .357 usually keeps nasty interruptions very brief :-). Dec 27 05:46:04 like WATERBOARDING DEATH DROWNING Dec 27 05:46:10 K\ZAN DIE DIE DIE Dec 27 05:46:12 DIE DIE DIE Dec 27 05:46:14 DIE DIE Dec 27 05:46:15 DIE Dec 27 05:46:16 DIE Dec 27 05:46:18 DIE Dec 27 05:46:20 Unless people who know just laugh at you ... Dec 27 05:46:23 lots of carriage riturns Dec 27 05:46:28 in the waterboarding proces Dec 27 05:46:39 no escape Dec 27 05:46:40 Sure you shouldn't be on undernet LOL Dec 27 05:46:42 from it Dec 27 05:46:46 see Dec 27 05:46:49 gah 357 Dec 27 05:46:49 i like semis Dec 27 05:46:54 you are now in my power Dec 27 05:47:00 no hope Dec 27 05:47:03 you are innocent Dec 27 05:47:12 but for the fact that i think you know someone Dec 27 05:47:18 ignore works fine, but unfortunately they still consume useful oxygen. Dec 27 05:47:19 who approves of waterboarding Dec 27 05:47:23 so there is no hope Dec 27 05:47:26 from now Dec 27 05:47:34 to the next four years Dec 27 05:47:40 you will be subject ot the torture Dec 27 05:47:42 of the state Dec 27 05:47:48 that says you are the evil Dec 27 05:47:53 without the right of proof Dec 27 05:47:57 and you will be tortured Dec 27 05:48:05 sigh... i just saw a sig 219-5-9 on gunsamerica Dec 27 05:48:07 Mostly from the middle east and that loony cult. Dec 27 05:48:17 merely $4000 Dec 27 05:48:22 * K`zan prefers things starting with .4 :-). Dec 27 05:48:52 Yeah, I prefer the working stuff, some of that stuff is just absurdly expensive and to what point? Dec 27 05:49:39 because it is a serivice pistol that can do .75 inch at 100yds Dec 27 05:49:52 Old tokarovs are pretty decent for the purpose intended, but ammo ain't cheap. Dec 27 05:50:07 not a carry weapon, but a thing of beauty. Dec 27 05:50:13 Heh, these daysn not ammo is cheap... Dec 27 05:50:26 Not in my budget, unfortunately. Dec 27 05:50:39 nor mine Dec 27 05:50:47 plus shooting is hard in nyc Dec 27 05:50:59 Only for folks who obey the law. Dec 27 05:51:02 Bad laws. Dec 27 05:51:27 you have no idea Dec 27 05:51:41 Yes, I do. lives in chicago for way too long. Dec 27 05:51:46 nyc laws force shooters to buy guns Dec 27 05:52:03 <|R> haha what? Dec 27 05:52:17 Yep, to have a prayer against the criminals, they make you one. Disgusting. Dec 27 05:52:21 i cant get a license ($450) without buying a gun Dec 27 05:52:46 According to the second, licensing is just flat wrong. Dec 27 05:53:02 if you are approved for a home premises permit, you have 30 days to purchase a gun, or the permit expires Dec 27 05:53:15 When your ability to protect you and yours the law is bad. Dec 27 05:53:33 Draw a money flow diagram :-). Dec 27 05:53:49 so you cant rent guns in nyc Dec 27 05:53:56 I have been in NYC and will never set foot in that sewer EVER again. Dec 27 05:54:05 I have been in NYC twice and will never set foot in that sewer EVER again. Dec 27 05:54:10 (other than .22 rifles at one pistol range) Dec 27 05:54:13 Ditto chicago. Dec 27 05:54:36 The pols make crim pay extremly well... Dec 27 05:54:47 sheez, I can't type tonight... Dec 27 05:55:03 oh please. nyc rocks. gun laws here suck, but a life lived elsewhere is a life less lived. Dec 27 05:55:19 K`zan: where in NYC were you? It's a city of much variety. :) Dec 27 05:55:25 Thanks, I'll take freedom over a "life" there. Dec 27 05:55:39 * timeless grumbles Dec 27 05:55:40 Went through it, too depressing for me. Dec 27 05:55:50 * timeless wants to request a gun free discussion zone Dec 27 05:55:52 Stinky sardine can :-). Dec 27 05:56:01 /join #vmmst :-) Dec 27 05:56:09 ahh, perhaps you were actually in jersey Dec 27 05:56:11 sardine, now that's on topic Dec 27 05:56:39 hmmm nokia app... ballisitc lookup/shot recording Dec 27 05:56:45 LOL, I only went there once :-). Told my boss at the time that if he ever sent me to the NE US I'd quit. Did. Dec 27 05:57:29 hmmm maybe an x-5... Dec 27 05:57:31 As far as I am personally concerned, the world (in the US) doesn't exist north of the mason-dixon line and east of the Mississippi river :). Dec 27 05:57:56 sorry your world is so small. Dec 27 05:58:18 That explains many of your political ideas. . . . Dec 27 05:58:27 what about new hamshire? That's a bastion of libertarian freedom. and it's perdy Dec 27 05:58:31 plus if you are a shooter, you are missing out on VT and PA Dec 27 05:58:37 Yep, I study history as a hobby -) Dec 27 05:58:51 no licensing in VT Dec 27 05:59:10 Not to say that there are not some good places and even people in that void, I just don't want to go there - too close to MA :-). Dec 27 05:59:55 punik_, i'm right there with you on the torture issue. Dec 27 05:59:59 * K`zan is a country gal. Dec 27 06:00:01 pupnik_, i mean Dec 27 06:00:17 What? MA is cool. Well, cold actually Dec 27 06:00:28 but the people who live there are pretty happy Dec 27 06:00:37 Nobody should but there are people to whom it works and is right. Dec 27 06:00:48 one of these days i have to send in my FL CWP paperwork Dec 27 06:01:02 i'm saying Dec 27 06:01:06 gah. red sox fans. Dec 27 06:01:11 if you live in the mother fucking USA Dec 27 06:01:23 and you do not go out there and promote ron paul Dec 27 06:01:29 LOL Dec 27 06:01:35 we're supposed to be the most moral country on earth or something. so why not act like it? Dec 27 06:01:39 then you have to defend your sick brain right here and now Dec 27 06:01:48 no you are poisoned Dec 27 06:01:48 This is almost like living here in scabattle. Dec 27 06:01:54 no, see, that's the part where i don't follow your logic Dec 27 06:01:59 K`zan: where do you live Dec 27 06:02:36 celesteh: Because there are people far worse than ANYTHING the US will ever do, I hope you never meet those that make shit like that necessary. Dec 27 06:02:36 pupnik_, didnt know you support racist politicians. Dec 27 06:02:38 the ability for you to use linux on your tablet is a core issue of maemo Dec 27 06:02:43 lol Luria Dec 27 06:02:45 wouldn't working with pre-existing structures that work internationally to promote peace and conforming to international law be the solution to american lawlessness? Dec 27 06:02:55 Seattle, WA USA - the only US city with a public statue of Lenin... Dec 27 06:03:06 you ready to start? All other topics are dead if you want to engage Dec 27 06:03:07 i love that statue Dec 27 06:03:17 Show me somethng that works and we'll talk. Dec 27 06:03:35 Coddling terrorist only makes them bolder. Dec 27 06:03:44 afk Dec 27 06:03:44 no, see, what's worse than torturing people? Dec 27 06:03:46 If you want me to respond, then invoke my name like luria Dec 27 06:03:55 luria has my respect Dec 27 06:04:05 testing~~ Dec 27 06:04:17 this channel has been waterboarded Dec 27 06:04:32 Disgust is not waterboarding either :) Dec 27 06:04:32 i mean, what makes people do something as desperate as blowing themselves up? they've got to be really unhappy or angry Dec 27 06:04:33 you are drowning Dec 27 06:04:42 you have no air Dec 27 06:04:48 Mentally defective? Lazy? Stupid? Dec 27 06:04:50 you can not breathe Dec 27 06:04:59 you have no oxygen Dec 27 06:05:08 Only briefly :) Dec 27 06:05:10 there is no food left for any thought Dec 27 06:05:14 there is only null Dec 27 06:05:17 null Dec 27 06:05:19 null Dec 27 06:05:20 null Dec 27 06:05:24 my gf's sister is developmentally disabled. thanks for implying she might be a terrorist. i know her family appreciates it when people say stupid shit like that Dec 27 06:05:26 and you approach death Dec 27 06:05:28 That is the point, get answers, save lives of people worth having alive. Dec 27 06:05:34 and you are not guilty Dec 27 06:05:39 celesteh: Get real. Dec 27 06:05:44 you are only a goat herd Dec 27 06:05:51 you are only a maemo fan Dec 27 06:05:53 get real how? "mentally defective" Dec 27 06:05:53 ? Dec 27 06:05:53 OK, I've had enough sillyness. Dec 27 06:05:59 you only like maemo? Dec 27 06:06:07 you only want to milk the goats? Dec 27 06:06:09 it's silly because it effects other people, right Dec 27 06:06:16 you only want to milk the internet tablets? Dec 27 06:06:25 but you are strapped to the board? Dec 27 06:06:25 ok, here's the scenario: there's a ticking time bomb! Dec 27 06:06:32 and you are plunged into the water? Dec 27 06:06:40 and then you are inhaling the water? Dec 27 06:06:40 we're pretty sure pupnik_ planted it Dec 27 06:06:41 i am strapped to the board Dec 27 06:06:44 BUT WHY WHY Dec 27 06:06:44 upside down Dec 27 06:06:44 i can't breath Dec 27 06:06:46 WHY WHY Dec 27 06:06:49 i can't breathe!! Dec 27 06:06:50 but we don't know where he is! Dec 27 06:06:51 WHY IS THIS CNANLE Dec 27 06:06:57 WHY ARE WE TALKING Dec 27 06:07:01 WBOUT THW TOUIH Dec 27 06:07:01 r4dar knows where he is Dec 27 06:07:02 TNTYHE Dec 27 06:07:04 T Dec 27 06:07:09 but r4der isn't saying where he is Dec 27 06:07:10 the water in my nose i inhaled it into my lungs Dec 27 06:07:15 do we torture r4der? Dec 27 06:07:20 for no reason Dec 27 06:07:27 maemo was waterboarded Dec 27 06:07:30 but Dec 27 06:07:31 you Dec 27 06:07:33 can Dec 27 06:07:33 i can't breathe!!!! Dec 27 06:07:34 not Dec 27 06:07:36 stop Dec 27 06:07:39 the Dec 27 06:07:46 i'm innocent wtf! Dec 27 06:07:50 right Dec 27 06:07:53 r4dar gets wide to this and goes into hiding before we catch them Dec 27 06:07:58 i'm just fucking with #maemo Dec 27 06:08:02 so let's arrest r4der's brother Dec 27 06:08:22 or the brother's hairdresser Dec 27 06:08:23 it will continue until you support Ron Paul Dec 27 06:08:28 lol Dec 27 06:08:32 "If you kill enough of them, they stop fighting" --General Curtis LeMay Dec 27 06:08:32 not funny Dec 27 06:08:40 And that is all I have to say on the subject. Dec 27 06:08:48 cunt Dec 27 06:08:55 dripping slimy cunt Dec 27 06:08:59 I dare you to waterboard your nokias, and see whether they tell you any good info after that. Dec 27 06:09:05 sexist insults coming from where? Dec 27 06:09:10 no nokia is now waterboarded Dec 27 06:09:15 freedom is dead Dec 27 06:09:15 <|R> haha Dec 27 06:09:36 go to the freenode ops Dec 27 06:09:44 you are waterboarding me so I suppport Ron Paul? Dec 27 06:09:44 ron paul, the libretarian utopia where it's cool to call women by super sexist names Dec 27 06:09:45 i am the #maemo neocon Dec 27 06:09:51 yeah, this is why i can't get behind him Dec 27 06:10:00 can you promise he will eliminate waterboarding from the CIA? Dec 27 06:10:08 i will waterboard #maemo Dec 27 06:10:10 i don't think we need to pick between respecting rights at home and abroad Dec 27 06:10:14 he'll find "viable alternatives" Dec 27 06:10:20 is Ron Paul against waterboarding? Dec 27 06:10:22 until you guys ...eh... uhtil i go to sleep Dec 27 06:10:28 YES~! Dec 27 06:10:32 not again! Dec 27 06:10:33 okay okay Dec 27 06:10:41 until you get frustrated at call us "slimy dripping cunts?" Dec 27 06:10:42 I will support Ron Paul Dec 27 06:10:47 no one deserved to be waterboarded Dec 27 06:10:50 hi r4dar you are VERY STUPID Dec 27 06:10:52 read Dec 27 06:11:01 I'll support anybody who calls me a slimy dripping cunt! where do i sign up? Dec 27 06:11:18 Ron Paul seems more and more like a Lyndon LaRouche for the 21st century Dec 27 06:11:19 HI PEOPLE IN MAEMO PLESE SHUT THE FUCK UP Dec 27 06:11:28 haha Dec 27 06:11:29 PLEASE READ ANTIWAR>COM Dec 27 06:11:31 <|R> AND MERRY X-MAS ? :P Dec 27 06:11:33 SHUT THE FUCK UP Dec 27 06:11:34 LaRouche, nice. Dec 27 06:11:40 YOU ARE FUCKING STUPID Dec 27 06:11:44 pupnik_, you used to be really cool . . . but um . . . Dec 27 06:11:49 THIS IS YOUR MENTAL WATERMBOARDING Dec 27 06:11:51 calling people fucking stupid isn't so cool Dec 27 06:11:56 alcohol getting through Dec 27 06:11:57 i think it is Dec 27 06:12:05 but i'll stop - thx Dec 27 06:12:07 eh, wtf Dec 27 06:12:24 well, generally the way to get people to come around to your point of view isn't by calling them stupid Dec 27 06:12:38 or by showing hostyility to 51% of the population by using sex-based insults Dec 27 06:12:43 it has a way of turning people off Dec 27 06:12:44 unless you're waterboarding them througoutfully ... Dec 27 06:12:46 christ. i just like shooting. Dec 27 06:13:01 when there's a will, there's a way. A watery way. Dec 27 06:13:35 fuck man, torture isn't funny, but it has a way of becoming so when we're all fucking stupid Dec 27 06:14:40 whatever, leave the morality of torture aside; its not particularly effective. Dec 27 06:14:51 indeed Dec 27 06:14:54 maybe was it sarcasm.. Dec 27 06:15:27 i can't say how much it alarms me that the national debate on whether or not we should torture hinges on it's effectiveness. . . or that there's a debate at all Dec 27 06:15:53 yeah it really is pityful Dec 27 06:16:03 why not? Dec 27 06:16:07 I miss being the good guys Dec 27 06:16:11 morals are subject to debate Dec 27 06:16:26 well, yeah, but torturing people shouldn't be a grey area Dec 27 06:16:34 forcing physically/mentally unpleasant things onto others aren't. Dec 27 06:16:55 i remember when we used to say other countries were bad because they did it. Dec 27 06:17:03 i miss those hypocritical days Dec 27 06:17:32 well, it's always the same. Dec 27 06:17:35 actually the problem is not doing it,but the standards and oversight and the conditions that merit it. Dec 27 06:17:40 and the definition. Dec 27 06:17:52 for then, why incarcerate people. Dec 27 06:18:12 i can make a straight faced argument that prison is torture. Dec 27 06:18:25 therefore, no one should be in prison. Dec 27 06:18:44 by that aforementioned reasoning. Dec 27 06:18:44 the idea is that first of all, people get a trial. and the punishment fit the crime Dec 27 06:18:46 burning dead people that signed waver to let us do so, vs keeping someone alive constantly drowning isn't quite a good comparison. Dec 27 06:19:37 while im am actually enjoying this, Dec 27 06:19:38 but american prison does indeed involve torture, given the frequency of prison rape Dec 27 06:19:55 i dont feel i can be as articulate as possible on my bt keyboard Dec 27 06:20:00 heh Dec 27 06:20:02 and the quantity of people in prison per capital. Dec 27 06:20:05 capita Dec 27 06:20:30 non-violent drug offenders . . . prison doesn't reduce the levels of drug use overall, but it does spread AIDS Dec 27 06:20:54 who are you trying to convince? Dec 27 06:21:05 err... whom Dec 27 06:21:30 we are going to become the good guys once again Dec 27 06:21:34 I don't know. It's like, I agree with Ron Paul supporters about all of these problems existing, but then their solution just . . . . doesn't seem to follow Dec 27 06:21:34 http://ronpaul2008.com Dec 27 06:21:34 =) Dec 27 06:21:41 haha yeah right. Dec 27 06:21:52 even a little bit Dec 27 06:22:00 also, the cultishness is alarming Dec 27 06:22:06 oh joy, the moral conviction to do nothing, ever. Dec 27 06:22:24 celesteh: what policy bothers you? Dec 27 06:22:26 thats just what i want. Dec 27 06:22:40 well, sending so many people to prison Dec 27 06:22:53 and invading other countries overseas and generally being a rogue state Dec 27 06:23:23 celesteh: right... so why are you against leaving Iraq and defending our own land Dec 27 06:23:29 i'm all for peace at home and abroad. and a social safety net - because you're just as dead if you're killed by direct violence or structural violence Dec 27 06:23:53 yeah Dec 27 06:23:54 r4dar, i beleive you're putting some words in my mouth there Dec 27 06:24:07 maybe Dec 27 06:24:15 your just as dead if you die from cellular collapse - that does not lead to equating the causes Dec 27 06:24:37 I'll just say , as an economist, that the United States is in serious trouble. Dec 27 06:24:43 that is my reason for supporting Ron Paul Dec 27 06:25:01 to use an overseas example: privatized water: you're just as dead if a foreign company has mercenaries shoot you than if you are because you can't buy food and medecine and water Dec 27 06:25:22 the company has caused your death Dec 27 06:25:28 no it hasnt Dec 27 06:25:31 the credit markets are melting down Dec 27 06:25:38 2008 is going to be one nasty year Dec 27 06:26:05 if your water bills are so high that you have to go with out antibiotics and starve, and you die of dyssentery, how has it not caused your death? Dec 27 06:26:45 then boil your water. Dec 27 06:26:52 trade and make value. Dec 27 06:27:09 if half your income is going to water bills, you don't have a lot of wiggle room Dec 27 06:27:35 to buy things like fuel for boiling or to trade and make value Dec 27 06:27:40 if you're old or already sick Dec 27 06:28:05 then plan better. or become part of a social network that has support. Dec 27 06:28:26 but dont compel people to follow your muddy morality Dec 27 06:28:32 well, in Bolivia, the World Bank decided that all the water in the country, including rain water, should be sold to a private foreign firm Dec 27 06:28:40 which happened Dec 27 06:28:57 and so a bunch of old, sick people really had to decide between paying for their medecine or for their water Dec 27 06:29:04 people were fined for collecting rain water Dec 27 06:29:18 then riot against a government that doesnt support you, but takes from you. Dec 27 06:29:24 theoretically, maybe all of bolivia could have become refugees Dec 27 06:29:43 well, the world bank gets mostn of it's direction and a lot of it's funding from the US Dec 27 06:29:55 so we didn't invade bolivia or bomb them, but we sure killed a lot of bolivians Dec 27 06:30:07 before they were able to successfully organize against this Dec 27 06:30:40 celesteh: that's unacceptable Dec 27 06:30:48 "structural violence" isn't a term i made up. It's something you learn about if you major in international relations Dec 27 06:30:56 celesteh: local control Dec 27 06:31:04 when i was in college i had a room mate who had such a major Dec 27 06:31:43 people foten have to organize internationally to get local control. the bolovians were successful because they got support from all over the world Dec 27 06:32:27 so international structures and organizations can be really helpful to people. globalization doesn't need to only be fore coporations Dec 27 06:33:05 NGOs, UNESCO, all of these groups can be really great for workers Dec 27 06:34:23 and, aside from the cultishness of the supporters, that's what seems lacking in Ron Paul's platform. He wants to get out of corrupt pro-corporate structures . . .and replace them with nothing. He wants to get out of much less corrupt peaceful structures . . . and replace them with nothing. Dec 27 06:34:50 You can't just up and quite the ICC and the UN and SALT, etc etc etc while you still have so many nuclear bombs without scaring the bejeesus out of everybody Dec 27 06:35:21 And it's not like he wants to outlaw corporations or multinationals. he just wants to get out of a bunch of the structures that are supposed to monitor them Dec 27 06:35:23 I would. Dec 27 06:35:30 Just to scare the bejeesus out of people. Dec 27 06:35:41 Right, but it's not a good idea if they also have nukes Dec 27 06:36:26 http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Mike_Huckabee_If_you_vote_for_me_you_live_if_you_don_t Dec 27 06:36:30 Check out Mike Huckabee's latest psychotic utterance! Dec 27 06:36:38 no abiword yet, huh? Dec 27 06:37:20 I wish every ron Paul person would take all this tremendous amounts of energy and take it to the street Dec 27 06:37:36 like, Out there with "Us out of Iraq now" signs Dec 27 06:37:39 maybe also flyering Dec 27 06:37:52 activists in the street have real potential to change things Dec 27 06:38:05 like, mobilized in real life, not just on the internet Dec 27 06:38:13 i wish all these guys would go to some antiwar protests Dec 27 06:38:20 clearly the abiword maintainer is oppressing the poor Bolivians, because now they can't use their n800 to write anti WTO literature. Dec 27 06:38:31 hehe Dec 27 06:38:36 heh Dec 27 06:39:44 you'll see it Dec 27 06:39:48 January 1st Dec 27 06:39:53 hey, maybe i'm annoying but it's funny that when you talk about solutions other than taking your ball and going home, the ronpaulies go silent Dec 27 06:39:56 ronpaul.meetup.com Dec 27 06:39:56 oops, spoke too soon Dec 27 06:40:32 haha Dec 27 06:40:35 that's clever Dec 27 06:40:46 if i go to the meetup, will his supporters call me a "slimy dripping cunt," becuase if not, I'm not going Dec 27 06:40:54 but i think many would point to the economy immediately after that Dec 27 06:41:06 celesteh: you live in US? Dec 27 06:41:26 yep Dec 27 06:41:57 i'm they could arrange something! Dec 27 06:42:04 sure* Dec 27 06:43:09 um, see, pupnik used that slur earlier to try to convince people and it was actually quite offensive, so i thought it would be ironically amusing to reference it again . . . and nevermind Dec 27 06:43:34 why am i spending my holiday talking politics in #maemo? Dec 27 06:44:14 pupnik was so drunk he logged himself out of IRC Dec 27 06:44:39 because the Internet is a bastion of free and open discourse Dec 27 06:44:50 i'm relieved to hear that he was drunk and hasn't just lost it Dec 27 06:45:16 because my family stresses me out so much that i have to ramp down my annoyance level slowly or i'll go into withdrawl? Dec 27 06:45:29 do you know him? Dec 27 06:46:01 not personally. i lurk here a lot and he's on all the time. always good with a piece of advice and the software he develops is cool Dec 27 06:46:45 ah k Dec 27 06:48:00 are you involved with this maemo project? Dec 27 06:48:36 i run an n800 and would like to do some development, but since i'm a mac user, it's been not possible so far Dec 27 06:48:55 So I'll learn pyhton in my copious free time Dec 27 06:49:03 I want to port supercollider to maemo Dec 27 06:49:05 hmm, still no $100 n810 Dec 27 06:49:31 The windows version is written in python, so it might be easier than I think, if i ever get around to it Dec 27 06:53:37 celesteh: I'm going to be doing a lot with testing and expanding the ARM port of PureData on the n800. Here's to portable electronic music! Dec 27 07:19:01 im trying to compile maemopad 1.5 for ubuntu mobile Dec 27 07:21:05 checking for OSSO... configure: error: Dec 27 07:21:20 im stuck here , ant pointers Dec 27 07:21:54 http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Mike_Huckabee_If_you_vote_for_me_you_live_if_you_don_t Dec 27 07:21:58 Check out Mike Huckabee's latest psychotic utterance! Vote Romney 2008 He is different!!! Dec 27 07:37:10 I'm having a little path trouble in scratchbox2. whenever a program looks for a configuration file, it's looking relative to my actual root directory, instead of relative to ~/buildroot. There's got to be a way to do this, right? Dec 27 07:37:56 any idea when the repository will be fixed? Dec 27 07:38:11 next year Dec 27 07:38:20 jga23: are you in a hurry? Dec 27 07:38:41 infobot repository.maemo.org deb Dec 27 07:38:43 well, repository.maemo.org deb is unofficial, all warrantees void, http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/repository-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb Dec 27 07:39:05 if you're in a hurry, that .deb should probably be good enough today Dec 27 07:39:43 timeless: what's the difference between those repos and the repostory.maemo.org (notice the removed I)? Dec 27 07:41:00 probbe1: repostory is stage, which is the backing service for my repository and the CFN Dec 27 07:41:08 s/CFN//CDN Dec 27 07:41:40 the reason there's a CDN is because the backing service can't deal w/ the load Dec 27 07:42:01 but the problem w/ the clever "hack" Dec 27 07:42:16 is that from what i understand, the application manager will pin installs by repository Dec 27 07:42:48 i believe (but have no useful way to verify) that if you install something from repostory, you won't be able to later upgrade to a deb from respository Dec 27 07:44:34 how is the application manager different from apt-get (which is what I'm used to)? Dec 27 07:44:58 (besides a pretty interface) Dec 27 07:45:10 * timeless ponders Dec 27 07:45:14 * timeless shrugs Dec 27 07:45:53 it has matrix references Dec 27 07:46:27 that's kinda like asking how kubuntu is different from debian Dec 27 07:47:42 if you have the mxr-maemo-org-dns deb, then this url http://mxr.maemo.org/chinook/source/hildon-application-manager-2.0.1/ would let you read the source Dec 27 07:48:01 infobot mxr-maemo-org deb Dec 27 07:48:08 infobot mxr.maemo.org deb Dec 27 07:48:09 [mxr.maemo.org deb] unofficial, all warrantees void, http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/mxr-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb Dec 27 07:48:15 http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/source/hildon-application-manager-2.0.1/ Dec 27 07:48:31 is the same content (different branding) Dec 27 07:49:45 Vulcanis: what are matrix references? Dec 27 07:49:56 redpill/bluepill mode. Dec 27 07:50:40 Vulcanis: hehe, I was trying to figure out how to organize dependency information into some sort of matrix or something Dec 27 07:51:07 Yeah, its what I get for being tired in a room full of tech litterate people. Dec 27 07:51:32 :) Dec 27 07:54:52 * Phobbe1 whacks his head into scratchbox Dec 27 07:56:30 Stop, you might hurt it. Dec 27 07:56:36 Scratchbox, not your head. Dec 27 07:56:48 would anyone notice? Dec 27 07:57:50 How to add the expression picture Dec 27 07:58:07 ? Dec 27 07:59:32 such as a smile face Dec 27 08:00:10 or makes the ugly face Dec 27 08:02:07 if you're seeing graphics for those, they're being done by your IRC client whenever somebody else does a regular emoticon. For instance, when I combine a ":" with a ")" it becomes :) Dec 27 08:03:22 thank,i know :) Dec 27 08:03:28 :( Dec 27 08:04:16 :This is the my second day to here,:) Dec 27 08:05:00 This is the my second day to here,:) Dec 27 08:05:12 :) Dec 27 08:05:31 Yeah, its like my tenth Dec 27 08:06:37 anyone pretty fluent in how to use dbus? and/or dbus-send Dec 27 08:12:01 forget pretty fluent, this may be elementary ;p Dec 27 08:12:24 :p Dec 27 08:13:10 truent: sure. best strategy is to just ask :-) Dec 27 08:13:27 heh Dec 27 08:13:27 suppose so heh Dec 27 08:13:32 yeah Dec 27 08:14:01 hcitool is gone in os2008.. im trying to use the new BlueZ dbus api to scan for available bluetooth devices.. Dec 27 08:14:39 wow, look at that.. the update is actually working now ;) Dec 27 08:14:39 when i try through dbus-send.. it doesnt give me the output i expect.. it gives me like a reference number of some sort.. doesnt print out anything immediately of use.. Dec 27 08:14:55 You will go to look in 2008 Olympic Games?:0 Dec 27 08:15:26 wondering if theres someway to grab the output through a simple dbus-send call.. as opposed to some signal handler etc Dec 27 08:16:26 org.bluez /org/bluez/hci0 org.bluez.Adapter.DiscoverDevices is the info.. Dec 27 08:16:34 truent: DiscoverDevices is asynchronous, so you need to add watch handlers for the replies. http://wiki.bluez.org/wiki/HOWTO/DiscoveringDevices has some good examples Dec 27 08:16:56 alp: there you go being helpful Dec 27 08:16:57 doing it with dbus-send alone may not be possible Dec 27 08:16:58 thats what i thought, theres no way on the command line to pull that info out? Dec 27 08:17:01 now he'll have expectations Dec 27 08:17:09 ok Dec 27 08:17:37 timeless: haha. i've had my morning coffee, i'll be helpful for another 20 minutes or so ;-) Dec 27 08:17:39 * timeless thinks there should be a dbus-listen :) Dec 27 08:18:00 i'll just use the os2007 hcitool until alterego implements our dream ruby-dbus ;) Dec 27 08:18:07 heh Dec 27 08:18:14 you could hack up something with dbus-monitor but python/c# or a real language is probably the way to go Dec 27 08:18:53 yeah, im using ruby.. and i know there isnt much support yet.. good ol python has it no prob Dec 27 08:18:54 bastids Dec 27 08:19:24 and im not doing a dbus-script for something as lame as that Dec 27 08:19:41 i'll just include the old hcitool bin in my deb i guess Dec 27 08:19:59 thanks btw alp ;p Dec 27 08:20:07 You discuss the thing has been too abstruse, I cannot understand:( Dec 27 08:20:25 truent: you're welcome! Dec 27 08:20:26 new, what language do you understand? Dec 27 08:20:30 new: you don't have to understand everything Dec 27 08:21:06 truent: ideally you'd make a deb that contains hcitool Dec 27 08:21:11 and do a depends a|b Dec 27 08:21:30 so that if the bluez-utils-test or whatever deb appears, people can get that Dec 27 08:21:35 instead of you thing Dec 27 08:21:57 and if it doesnt it wont do mine? Dec 27 08:22:08 err will do mine Dec 27 08:22:16 yeah Dec 27 08:22:27 yeah im all for some official crap ;p Dec 27 08:23:35 You saw me not to understand English? Dec 27 08:23:54 new, what language do you speak? Dec 27 08:24:27 k Dec 27 08:24:31 sounds good Dec 27 08:24:49 chinese Dec 27 08:24:52 ahh Dec 27 08:24:56 :P Dec 27 08:24:57 ni how ma Dec 27 08:25:08 fine!! Dec 27 08:25:21 ;p thats it for me in chinese Dec 27 08:26:34 can u speak chinese? Dec 27 08:26:54 no.. chinese friends Dec 27 08:27:02 wonder why they doesn't tech chinese and japanese in schools Dec 27 08:27:11 ? Dec 27 08:27:19 my high school taught chinese Dec 27 08:27:37 I think it's getting more common. especially in schools with money Dec 27 08:27:57 have you seen the Chinese character? Dec 27 08:28:02 languages don't seem to be a high priority in american schools, though, unfortunately Dec 27 08:28:11 my elementary school only english and swedish Dec 27 08:28:57 i`ll Writes the Chinese character ÄãÃǺÃ!:P Dec 27 08:29:30 chinese can be biggest language now Dec 27 08:30:18 we study english at Elementary school in China Dec 27 08:30:42 But we study not well Dec 27 08:31:16 yes some reason english seems popular Dec 27 08:31:33 I had already studied 20 year English, but has not been able to listen not to be able saying that cannot write Dec 27 08:31:38 :( Dec 27 08:31:46 in scratchbox do you have to install by file.. or can you somehow download like normal from repos etc Dec 27 08:32:13 truent: you're on a debian system? Dec 27 08:32:20 yeah Dec 27 08:32:36 add this line to your sources.list: Dec 27 08:32:37 deb http://scratchbox.org/debian stable main Dec 27 08:33:37 Hi to all .... I try to upgrade my N800 to chinock .... but a lot of application not work ... :( ... the published OS2008 application too, like map and other ... :( Dec 27 08:34:32 Phobbe1, scratchbox or my box Dec 27 08:34:48 mk8: yeah I had to go back os2007 too Dec 27 08:34:49 truent: on your computer Dec 27 08:35:08 truent: /etc/apt/sources.list Dec 27 08:35:08 hmm i cant connect to anything Dec 27 08:35:24 can you connect to your regular repositories? Dec 27 08:35:25 yeah i did that.. but thats not the prob i dont think hang on Dec 27 08:35:34 from my box? yeah no prob Dec 27 08:36:08 it should connect to that repo just the same as the rest of your regular ones Dec 27 08:36:37 then download from that? Dec 27 08:36:43 :( Dec 27 08:36:49 and cp to my scratchbox? Dec 27 08:37:26 truent: oh, sorry, I misunderstood. I thought you were trying to install scratchbox, not install apps to scratchbox Dec 27 08:37:36 ahh yeah Dec 27 08:38:01 truent: what repos do you have in the sources.list inside scratchbox? Dec 27 08:38:39 the normal ones.. actually repostory.maemo.org ;p... but i cant connect to anything i dont think Dec 27 08:39:08 can you ping from within scratchbox? Dec 27 08:39:36 pings not avail ;p Dec 27 08:39:39 wget doesnt work though Dec 27 08:39:47 Resolving www.yahoo.com... Dec 27 08:39:49 nothing Dec 27 08:40:03 i saw a faq on this though.. i'll find it no worries Dec 27 08:40:07 bed time methinks ;P Dec 27 08:40:15 sleep well. Dec 27 08:40:19 g'night! Dec 27 08:41:47 g'morning (GMT +2) Dec 27 08:42:15 g`afternoon:) Dec 27 08:43:23 many timezones here :) Dec 27 08:43:40 I'm in the only real timezone, so I really could care less about you losers. Dec 27 08:44:46 We come from different place Dec 27 08:45:52 yes surprisingly many has bought internet tablet Dec 27 08:47:19 even google find few pages with 'hack n800' not any good thou Dec 27 08:47:53 is there everybody come from American ? Dec 27 08:48:49 I am from america, I believe a majority of this channel is. Dec 27 08:48:53 yeah, I think that this could be a great platform for open source development, so I'm hoping that the community stays active Dec 27 08:49:11 I'm form the US, too Dec 27 08:49:19 s/form/from Dec 27 08:49:34 i m from China Dec 27 08:49:41 no I'm from east europe, rubber boot factory land Dec 27 08:49:50 Hehe. Dec 27 08:50:22 nokia makes good rubber boots that's why I bought n800 too Dec 27 08:50:31 * mardi_ is in UK Dec 27 08:51:10 is it for Technological exchange in here? Dec 27 08:52:02 haven't seen any secret code yet Dec 27 08:52:28 ara you talk about nokia? Dec 27 08:53:07 about this n800 Dec 27 08:54:36 I thought that I hear something from bootloader, it doesn't seem like open source Dec 27 08:54:38 all of you are Technical personnel? Dec 27 08:57:10 hahlo: some(most?) software that comes on the n770/800/810 is not open source. The platform isn't locked down, though, as opposed to say the iphone(although that's been hacked, too) Dec 27 08:57:45 iphone sdk is getting released soon Dec 27 08:58:20 Phobbe1: yeah but I thought maemo is like handhelds to ipaq Dec 27 08:58:31 What I use is Nokia E50, the system is symbian Dec 27 08:58:48 Vulc|Sleepysleep: good point Dec 27 08:59:03 handhelds realy tried with many ipaqs Dec 27 09:00:13 Maemo is ALOT more open than most other handheld OSes Dec 27 09:01:16 those which couldn't flash, somebody wrote app to kick wince out of memory and boot familiar from sd card Dec 27 09:01:21 how much did u buy nokia n800 in US ? Dec 27 09:02:06 I think familiar is more open than os2007 Dec 27 09:03:48 i cant find the quoted price of n800,may be it isnot going on the market in China Dec 27 09:04:21 okay, so repos are broken Dec 27 09:04:42 This has probably been asked a hojillion times before, but, um, are there mirrors? Dec 27 09:06:07 infobot repository.maemo.org deb Dec 27 09:06:08 somebody said repository.maemo.org deb was unofficial, all warrantees void, http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/repository-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb Dec 27 09:08:35 i inquired n800 price about 3600RMB.and in your city? Dec 27 09:09:10 psykoyiko: that deb basically points your repositories to a mirror. I don't know how well it works or how complete it is, but I think people are using it Dec 27 09:11:09 yeah, I inspected it Dec 27 09:11:49 somebody's dreamhost account Dec 27 09:17:18 who looked at the soap opera "despairs housewife"? Dec 27 09:39:52 Hi ! Dec 27 09:39:53 :) Dec 27 09:41:58 how many cities in US named "fairview"? Dec 27 09:45:34 I just apt-get updated from repository.maemo.org in scratchbox.... Dec 27 09:46:11 perhaps they have finally heard our cries and teeth-gnashing? Dec 27 09:48:44 ..and installing maemo-tools succeeded, ~70MB of downloads Dec 27 09:59:16 it was doing so well for a while... Dec 27 10:09:08 are there alternatives to navicore? Dec 27 10:09:31 first this crapware aborts the map download, and now it doesn't even start anymore Dec 27 10:12:15 Hi Dec 27 10:12:25 Hi! Dec 27 10:12:35 ho Dec 27 10:12:42 I did a manual install of maemo, and after some pains got everything working (xephyr etc), almost.... Dec 27 10:12:53 apparantly I do not have af-sb-init.sh script anywhere Dec 27 10:13:12 http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q187/Cptnodegard/usb.jpg if this thing doesnt work ill shoot myself -.- Dec 27 10:13:47 Spacer: I just finished working through that problem. what step are you at? Dec 27 10:14:15 basically where every guide says "now you are finished and start with af-sb-init.sh" ;) Dec 27 10:14:24 i ought to mention I'm on gentoo/amd64 Dec 27 10:14:44 do you have the scratchbox environment set up? Dec 27 10:14:55 yes, and instralled all the packages as well Dec 27 10:15:25 are you going for just runtime, or a dev environment? Dec 27 10:15:40 oh definately dev, going to write apps for the n810 Dec 27 10:15:50 so you did Dec 27 10:15:53 'oops Dec 27 10:16:07 so you did "fakeroot apt-get install maemo-sdk-dev"? Dec 27 10:16:17 ah, let me look Dec 27 10:16:23 (or maemo-sdk-debug, if you prefer) Dec 27 10:17:06 and make sure you use "fakeroot". (that tripped me up for a while) Dec 27 10:17:51 i think I did, im running trough the package list now (btw I dont have apt, i use a script and dpkg found on pleas.org) Dec 27 10:19:02 you're not using apt even inside your scratchbox environment? Dec 27 10:19:06 no Dec 27 10:19:13 (dependency handling is nice...) :) Dec 27 10:19:23 well maybe i am Dec 27 10:19:33 im using a script that handles it automatically, i haven't really looked at it ;) Dec 27 10:19:38 it seemed to be going nice and no errors Dec 27 10:19:58 (hope this wont kick me...) Dec 27 10:20:03 [sbox-CHINOOK_X86: /tmp] > sh maemo-sdk-virtuals.sh Dec 27 10:20:03 inside your scratchbox, try "fakeroot apt-get install maemo-sdk-dev" and see what happens Dec 27 10:20:03 Generating virtual packages provided by Scratchbox Dec 27 10:20:03 * autoconf2.13 Dec 27 10:20:15 right Dec 27 10:20:36 but i think you are right, i dont see maemo-sdk or anything among the list Dec 27 10:21:26 I think that up to that point you're just installing the basic environment, but installing the actual SDK lets you start up a session Dec 27 10:21:41 yes that is the problem, no actual maemo sdk, just the rootstrap Dec 27 10:21:52 right ;) Dec 27 10:22:07 well i have to solve this somehow, apt-get didn't work but i'll find a way Dec 27 10:22:20 what happened with apt-get? Dec 27 10:22:32 "Couldn't find package maemo-sdk-dev" Dec 27 10:22:42 run an "apt-get update" Dec 27 10:23:21 aah more output now Dec 27 10:23:33 "not in gzip format?" Dec 27 10:23:36 yes Dec 27 10:23:52 that's because the repositories are foobar'ed right now Dec 27 10:24:47 * jeddy3 would almost kill to have tomboy on his n800 Dec 27 10:24:48 infobot repository.maemo.org deb Dec 27 10:24:51 i heard repository.maemo.org deb is unofficial, all warrantees void, http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/repository-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb Dec 27 10:25:47 Spacer: I think that the "correct" solution right now is to download this deb, use "dpkg -i foo.deb" to install it, and then your sources.list should be pointing to a repository that works Dec 27 10:26:01 but basically since i have a running scratchbox, i should be able to use apt stuff in spite of the fact my base system is gentoo? Dec 27 10:26:13 i mean apt stuff within the scratchbox Dec 27 10:27:31 yeah update working better now Dec 27 10:27:32 I'm not 100% sure on what the scratchbox environment can and can't do as far as accessing the host system, but I'm pretty sure that even if your host computer is a different distro, you basically have a working debian system inside of scratchbox Dec 27 10:28:31 the fakeroot cmd makes everything point to /targets/chinook_x86 ? Dec 27 10:29:52 Spacer: fakeroot is a different thing, it just pretends to be root Dec 27 10:29:55 fakeroot is kind of like sudo, except that you get root's privledges for file manipulation without becoming the root user Dec 27 10:30:04 oh ok Dec 27 10:30:57 dinner time~~ Dec 27 10:32:18 <|tbb|> hi all, is it possible to do x-forwarding from n810 to linux-desktoppc Dec 27 10:33:41 New: ? Dec 27 10:34:02 tbb:how much did u buy N810 in your city? Dec 27 10:34:09 oh what are these nokia binaries for? and why aren't they gpl? Dec 27 10:34:15 hi,dybnu:) Dec 27 10:35:18 <|tbb|> New: dont ask me Dec 27 10:35:43 why? Dec 27 10:35:51 <|tbb|> to much for my opinion for what i became Dec 27 10:35:59 New: 哈哈哈 Dec 27 10:36:58 dybnu: ½ñÌìæÂð? Dec 27 10:37:04 spacer: Nokia didn't release all the maemo software under the GPL Dec 27 10:37:07 New Dec 27 10:37:29 New: don't speak chinese PLZ Dec 27 10:37:38 <|tbb|> the screen colors arent good as on n800 screen, but its better readable in the sunlight. no fm-chip, the gps chip isnt sirf3 based what it was rumored before Dec 27 10:38:02 Spacer: I just installed the binaries and so far it looks like the only difference is the addition of a "contacts" application that doesn't seem to do anything Dec 27 10:38:08 <|tbb|> i paid the official nokia online store price for germany Dec 27 10:38:18 ok Dec 27 10:38:31 ooh good... i feared there was still some necessary but secret stuff in there Dec 27 10:38:58 <|tbb|> cause the salepoints doesnt get the unit until mid january. i asked more than one Dec 27 10:39:09 Spacer: you should be able to run the gui without the non-GPL stuff Dec 27 10:39:48 weeheee! looks like its finally working! thanks for the help man. Now I have to wait until I can actually buy a n810.. still not available here :( Cant believe im writing software for something i dont actually have Dec 27 10:40:12 spacer: what app are you working on? what language? Dec 27 10:40:41 a set of math tools, calculators and stuff, and also astronomy software Dec 27 10:41:01 not something most people care for, im afraid Dec 27 10:42:31 <|tbb|> anyone has done that before -> x-forwarding from n810 to linux-desktop-pc Dec 27 10:42:54 |tbb|, should be possible, where is the problem? Dec 27 10:43:00 spacer: not quite as sexy as quake2, but there's nothing wrong with making useful tool out of a toy, eh? Dec 27 10:43:09 exactly ;) Dec 27 10:43:32 basically i was planning on using it to take pdf/articles with me and use it as a very fancy graphical calculator Dec 27 10:43:57 Spacer: RPN? (I love my HP48G) Dec 27 10:44:05 kinda silly you can buy it in germany but not in holland :( Dec 27 10:44:27 i only had this HP thing, but its lcd screen was clunky Dec 27 10:45:55 Phobbe1, is Nokia's battery life statement accurate? Dec 27 10:46:18 Spacer: I don't know, I don't have the hardware either. :) Dec 27 10:46:42 I've got an N800 coming in the mail on the 28th Dec 27 10:46:52 I've had an idea floating in my head for the last few days Dec 27 10:47:22 do the n810 and n800 have identical hardware? Dec 27 10:47:23 about writing a simple python app to control modplug in gstreamer Dec 27 10:47:31 and soldering a mic jack onto an n800 Dec 27 10:47:41 the N800 doesn't have the slide-out keyboard Dec 27 10:47:42 and using the n800 as a realtime effects processor Dec 27 10:47:48 do you know how much would cost a new touch screen for N800? Mine got really scratched. Dec 27 10:47:48 Spacer: almost... Dec 27 10:47:56 it appears the Nxxx draw a lot of hackers ;) Dec 27 10:48:29 I wonder how bad latency would be Dec 27 10:49:09 pemdasi: they've ported PureData to run on ARM processors, one of my main reasons for getting an N800 is to play around with it as a portable electronic-music making machine Dec 27 10:49:27 Phobbe1: Oh? That's a good reason to look into PD Dec 27 10:49:31 I've put it off constantly Dec 27 10:50:28 oh, I did see that, pure data for pda Dec 27 10:50:35 pemdasi: I can't recommend it enough. I do pretty much all my coding in PD, MatLab, or Python Dec 27 10:50:48 MatLab? music?? Dec 27 10:51:04 Phobbe1: but the N800 wont be able to handle too much sintetizers or stuff Dec 27 10:51:11 Spacer: I haven't done any full pieces in Matlab, but I've been toying with the idea Dec 27 10:51:35 what kind of music are you in? Dec 27 10:51:59 "calculations. For the implementation side this means that all signal processing (tilde) objects had to be rewritten in order to do their calculations with fixed point numbers. The control calculations are still in floating point and therefore a lot slower. Dec 27 10:52:03 Because of this, it is not straight forward to port externals that are written for Pd to PDa. This means that there are no graphics extensions, additional filters or other additional objects. " Dec 27 10:52:45 sp3000: you in today? Dec 27 10:52:48 got lunch plans? Dec 27 10:52:57 Spacer: I tour with a band called Capillary Action playing upright and electric basses, and I do live experimental electroacoustic stuff Dec 27 10:53:25 very nice, i love enjoying it but how its made is dark magic to me Dec 27 10:53:36 pemdasi: yeah, I don't really have any idea how much performance I can squeeze out of this little guy.. Dec 27 10:54:17 anyone know where i can find lspci or /proc infos from the n8xx ? Dec 27 10:54:29 <|tbb|> spacer, havent tested it yet, but i will try it Dec 27 10:54:33 Spacer: (I'm also finishing up my Electrical Engineering degree) Dec 27 10:55:16 cool im working on my physics phd Dec 27 10:55:35 Spacer: in astronomy, I presume? Dec 27 10:56:17 no, thats just a personal hobby of mine, my main field is plasma physics Dec 27 10:56:28 high energy plasmas Dec 27 10:56:53 hrm, that's odd Dec 27 10:57:14 so im planning on using the n8xx as a mobile calculator/plotter/article repos/etc... Dec 27 10:57:22 oh, sucks to be me Dec 27 10:57:59 i dont know of any ordinary calculator that can give me the value of J0(23.114) Dec 27 10:58:47 sp3000, http://mxr.maemo.org/maemo/ just got the visual refresh Dec 27 10:59:22 just installed pda Dec 27 11:02:19 pemdasi: is it working straight out of the box? Dec 27 11:02:36 I'm playing around with it Dec 27 11:02:42 I'm not at all familiar with PD Dec 27 11:02:44 but it's running Dec 27 11:02:54 pemdasi: I'm glad it's so easy! Dec 27 11:02:56 not sure how to get any audio to play Dec 27 11:03:06 well, there's a deb on the pda site Dec 27 11:03:16 and it installed on os2008 easily Dec 27 11:05:27 does the device have the full set of GTK+ APIs? Dec 27 11:06:34 Hi Dec 27 11:06:52 hi Dec 27 11:07:04 Good morning Dec 27 11:07:10 siema Dec 27 11:07:15 siema :) Dec 27 11:09:30 I'm currently trying to compile my program on maemo using libpcap, but it gives me the "undefined reference" linker errors on pcap_* functions, so I guess there must be some problem with reading the installed libraries. Tell me if the compile line is fine for maemo: gcc -o prog prog.c -lpcap Dec 27 11:10:00 <|tbb|> pemdasi whats pda Dec 27 11:10:32 hm Dec 27 11:10:45 do you know what pure data is? Dec 27 11:10:50 |tbb|: PDa is a port of PD(PureData) that'd designed to run on ARM processors Dec 27 11:11:04 I'm having trouble getting it to output audio Dec 27 11:11:21 /dev/dsp (read/write): no such file or directory Dec 27 11:11:27 PureData is a graphical programming language primarily used for audio processing/synthesis, but also for video and pretty much anything else Dec 27 11:11:41 (the PDa port doesn't have the video stuff, though) Dec 27 11:12:18 pemdasi: hmmm...I don't know how the audio backend works in maemo. is it OSS? Dec 27 11:13:25 <|tbb|> ah k Dec 27 11:13:32 I don't know enough about it myself. Dec 27 11:16:23 pemdasi: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/enablinggstreamersupport/ Dec 27 11:16:47 it looks like you might need to install some gstreamer packages to make the OSS interface (/dev/dsp) available Dec 27 11:17:23 hm Dec 27 11:20:02 Well Dec 27 11:20:24 /proc/asound and /dev/sndstat exist already Dec 27 11:20:32 that wiki entry is for the 770 Dec 27 11:22:36 perhaps you have the alsa layer, but not the OSS layer? Dec 27 11:23:13 /dev/sndstat is oss Dec 27 11:23:40 <|tbb|> is there a gconf ui ported to os2008, allready? Dec 27 11:29:26 PDa crashed several times Dec 27 11:29:31 something is odd here Dec 27 11:29:34 will look into it more Dec 27 11:30:41 pemdasi: hrmm. Well, as of the 28th I'll be hacking away at it, too Dec 27 11:31:05 :P Dec 27 11:36:56 Dang, I keep getting the "undefined reference to 'pcap_lookupnet'" errors when compiling. Seems that gcc is totally ignoring the -lpcap flag. Does anyone know what may be the problem? Dec 27 11:38:07 ok...sleep... Dec 27 11:38:11 g'night Dec 27 11:38:17 good night Dec 27 11:40:20 hello everybody Dec 27 11:42:19 Jaffa: ping Dec 27 11:49:11 <|tbb|> Zeitüberschreitung: der Anforderung Dec 27 11:49:20 <|tbb|> maddler ;) Dec 27 11:49:34 :? Dec 27 11:49:43 :? Dec 27 11:51:54 |tbb|: ? Dec 27 11:52:03 am I missing smtg? :) Dec 27 11:55:49 <|tbb|> maddler: forgotten you were an italian. thinking of german. meaning ping request timeout Dec 27 11:56:03 hehehehe... :) Dec 27 11:58:43 I should take german lessons! :D Dec 27 11:58:48 or spanish... Dec 27 11:58:51 dunno! :D Dec 27 11:58:56 should take a decision... :) Dec 27 12:39:40 so does anyone else have trouble with disappearing home screen applets? Dec 27 12:39:59 or is this a special present for me? Dec 27 12:41:04 <|tbb|> nice if u lock the n810 device (keyboard and screen) and u slide the keyboard out, then it unlock the locking mode. if u slide the keyboard back in, the touch will be locked again. the only bad if u slide out the kbd and doing something then sliding it back the touch wont go back in locking mode. Dec 27 12:41:52 that kinda makes sense. Dec 27 12:42:26 how would it know that you arent simply done using the kybd, but still working? Dec 27 12:44:03 anyone using sbox2 ? Dec 27 12:46:36 <|tbb|> if i type something on the keyboard and slide it back it should locked again (cause it also turn off the screen, which is nice) Dec 27 12:46:48 anyone using sbox2 ? Dec 27 12:47:16 what is with maemo's city list Dec 27 12:48:25 it seems to be missing quite a few cities Dec 27 12:49:06 my city may only have 1.1 million people in it... Dec 27 12:50:35 whoa, that is scary Dec 27 12:50:48 i google for "maemo set timezone", one of the results Dec 27 12:50:49 http://www.rwhitby.net/blog/category/n800 Dec 27 12:51:00 ... and he's in the same city at me Dec 27 12:51:04 *as Dec 27 13:22:35 re Dec 27 13:28:54 hi ...if have uninstalled ->apt *grml* ,some essential packages like ke-recv. no i need a source for this packeges. thx Dec 27 13:34:37 dominik_: ke-recv is closed source and there's no source for it (afaik) Dec 27 13:35:24 timeless: there ? Dec 27 13:37:21 kulve, but a package ist available Dec 27 13:53:04 crevetor: yeah Dec 27 13:58:42 timeless: hi Dec 27 13:59:05 lo Dec 27 13:59:39 timeless: i'm trying to build a build environnement for maemo but it doesn't work even using your repo (i added this to my /etc/hosts : 66.33.212.254 repository.maemo.org Dec 27 14:05:11 crevetor: do you use a proxy server? Dec 27 14:05:33 That might be the cause Dec 27 14:05:59 ixiso: nope Dec 27 14:09:28 crevetor: any specific errors? Dec 27 14:09:28 if you want to use some other repository, then the easiest way should be providing the installer with a custom sources.list Dec 27 14:10:49 crevetor: i have 0 error lines containing "deb" today Dec 27 14:10:57 timeless: yes : size mismatch when apt-getting all the packages Dec 27 14:14:17 crevetor: if you load http://repository.maemo.org in the web browser, what do you see? Dec 27 14:15:09 ok i think I found what was wrong Dec 27 14:15:48 the process uses fakeroot and doesn't use the /etc/host from the host, i modified /scratchbox/etc/hosts.conf and it seems to be working Dec 27 14:17:15 can someone tell me please how i can reinstall the package ke-recv ? Dec 27 14:20:19 crevetor: hrm Dec 27 14:20:25 the .deb was supposed to deal w/ that Dec 27 14:20:47 wait, hosts.conf ?! Dec 27 14:20:52 what in the world is hosts.conf? Dec 27 14:21:04 timeless: host.conf in scratchbox Dec 27 14:21:12 it's not on the tablet Dec 27 14:21:18 it's on my computer Dec 27 14:21:35 it's the build env for maemo Dec 27 14:21:59 * timeless nods Dec 27 14:22:09 [sbox-i386-csgcc34.build: ~] > cat /scratchbox/etc/host.conf Dec 27 14:22:09 multi on Dec 27 14:22:32 anyway, if the .deb isn't doing the right munging for scratchbox, i'd like to know Dec 27 14:22:39 crevetor means /scratchbox/etc/hosts i think? Dec 27 14:22:39 i tried to make it do the right thing... Dec 27 14:22:51 hum mine contains that too Dec 27 14:22:59 it must have been hosts then... Dec 27 14:22:59 * truls butts out ;) Dec 27 14:23:35 [sbox-i386-csgcc34.build: ~] > dpkg -i repository-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb Dec 27 14:23:35 dpkg: requested operation requires superuser privilege Dec 27 14:23:45 timeless: what does it contain if you're not in the sbox env Dec 27 14:25:14 crevetor: ok... Dec 27 14:25:28 so, um, i don't think i can make the deb work properly from inside scratchbox Dec 27 14:25:39 because the file it needs to edit really is owned by root Dec 27 14:26:00 timeless: yes, i had to update it from ouside scratchbox with root privileges Dec 27 14:26:20 :(, ok, so what's the best advice? Dec 27 14:26:32 i mean, i could generate a script that people could run Dec 27 14:26:37 or something Dec 27 14:26:47 so how can debs install stuff inside scratchbox if it can't mess with files owned by root? Dec 27 14:26:52 timeless: I think devs are clever enough to update a /etc/hosts themselves Dec 27 14:27:08 truls: most files aren't really owned by root Dec 27 14:27:41 although the exact details of how scratchbox lies about ownership is beyond me Dec 27 14:27:59 i see Dec 27 14:28:07 in my scratchbox, /etc/hosts isn't owned by root Dec 27 14:28:32 timeless: I don't know how it works in scratchbox but on the tablet /etc/sudoers allow user to run app manager which installs the debs to it has root access anyways Dec 27 14:28:42 truls: /etc/hosts isn't owned by root, but /scratchbox/etc/hosts is Dec 27 14:28:57 and my script tried to edit the latter if it found it was scratchboxed :) Dec 27 14:29:08 ahh, sorry Dec 27 14:29:17 truls: not your fault Dec 27 14:29:28 timeless: your dpkg -i is run in the sbox env right ? Dec 27 14:29:55 crevetor: the one i pasted was, yead Dec 27 14:30:06 * timeless wonders what'd happen if it was run from outside Dec 27 14:30:10 i can try that :) Dec 27 14:30:17 timeless: you could create a package that updates /scratchbox/etc/hosts Dec 27 14:30:26 since dpkg has to be run as root Dec 27 14:30:35 same idea Dec 27 14:30:36 http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/repository-maemo-org-dns-0.1/DEBIAN/postinst Dec 27 14:30:43 you can see what the package does today :) Dec 27 14:31:29 isn't echo dangerous? no guarantee the user sees it if he installs lots of stuff? Dec 27 14:31:39 oh ok so you'd just have to run it from outside sbox Dec 27 14:32:02 tinderbox:~# dpkg -i /tmp/repository-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb Dec 27 14:32:14 Setting up repository-maemo-org-dns (0.1) ... Dec 27 14:32:14 It seems this is a scratchbox environment. Dec 27 14:32:30 truls: users better not be pulling this in using deprendencies :) Dec 27 14:32:39 s/pre/pe/ Dec 27 14:32:39 timeless meant: truls: users better not be pulling this in using dependencies :) Dec 27 14:33:47 timeless: heh Dec 27 14:34:55 crevetor: ok, if you try installing the deb as root outside scratchbox, it does the right thing tm Dec 27 14:35:10 well, for /some/ definition of the right thing (tm) Dec 27 14:35:21 i.e., it poisons scratchbox instead of poisoning the box Dec 27 14:36:14 so the deb i'm providing works for devices and people *outside* scratchboxes Dec 27 14:37:18 i just need to figure out how to detect the inside case Dec 27 14:38:53 see if /etc is a symlink Dec 27 14:38:55 ;) Dec 27 14:39:21 <|tbb|> anyone knows if that powershutdown thing work for os2008 especially n810 Dec 27 14:44:30 I flashed my n800 yesterday. It's sort of like having gotten a new tablet for Christmas. Dec 27 14:45:01 yes, I quite like the changes. (I also flashed it yesterday) Dec 27 14:55:52 <||cw> is progress being made on os2008 for the 770? Dec 27 15:02:21 truls: test -w is my friend Dec 27 15:02:39 Ok my dev environnement is working :) Dec 27 15:07:06 Hey i've heard there has been a port of aircrack tools on the n770, do you know if that's going to be the case for n800/810 ? Dec 27 15:09:44 crevetor, i have it installed. ... but not tested ;) Dec 27 15:09:58 bummie: on n800? Dec 27 15:10:22 crevetor, yes Dec 27 15:10:40 bummie: ok where did you get it ? Dec 27 15:10:46 whois crevetor Dec 27 15:11:46 bummie: forgot the / ;) Dec 27 15:13:06 crevetor, http://www.mulliner.org/nokia770/mullinerorg_chinook.install Dec 27 15:14:55 bummie: thanks Dec 27 15:19:18 bummie: :( it doesn't include airodump :( Dec 27 15:19:53 is there any estimate when repository.maemo.org is going to be okay again? Dec 27 15:21:58 crevetor: ok, if you try the latest version of the debs Dec 27 15:22:09 ideally when you're inside scratchbox the debs should give you a proper user error Dec 27 15:22:13 either for removing or installing Dec 27 15:23:28 crevetor, i have hat it installed ... yesterday ... too many ours :) Dec 27 15:27:28 :) Dec 27 15:28:03 By the way do any of you have 8 or 16Go mini sd ? Dec 27 15:29:07 Morning, folks. Dec 27 15:30:33 Hi ! Dec 27 15:30:49 someone know another web/desktop similar to eyeos.org ? Dec 27 15:34:20 timeless, do you know the repository url for osso-af ke-recv Dec 27 15:35:20 bummie: the topic has a thing for searching Dec 27 15:35:35 however ke-recv is probably closed and therefore not in any public debs Dec 27 15:35:54 osso-af is probably the same Dec 27 15:37:42 timeless, so the only way is to extract the firmware image and do a dpkg-repack on the uninstalled packages ? Dec 27 15:41:33 bummie: pretty much Dec 27 15:42:30 cool, i had reinvented dpkg-repack, i didn't know it existed Dec 27 15:42:54 'course, that requires perl :) Dec 27 15:44:48 lol Dec 27 15:47:56 do you guys know a doc/howto write a python app using the hildon framework Dec 27 15:48:27 any diff of regular scripting? Dec 27 15:56:25 hello everyone Dec 27 16:20:44 funny bug fmradio disables bluetooth headet ... https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2660 Dec 27 16:23:26 where are the menus hiding at? in the filesystem Dec 27 16:48:09 tatata ... tata talalalala tatalalla : PyGTKEditor 2.0.0 is available ... it use gtksourceview Dec 27 16:48:27 (gtksourceview2 and his python binding his also available :) ) Dec 27 16:48:56 anyone??/ Dec 27 16:59:19 * Khertan dream of a tool that enable to add debian package to a repository only from uploading the .deb package from a web page ... Dec 27 17:01:39 hm? Dec 27 17:03:01 * Khertan dream of a world where dputs is deprecated ... where we can simply upload a .deb from the tablet itself ... Dec 27 17:03:09 :) Dec 27 17:03:22 rsync Dec 27 17:03:24 Khertan, that would be a nightmare, no one would ever upload the source packages anymore Dec 27 17:03:39 inz> hum ... right :) Dec 27 17:03:52 but where we can upload from the tablet !!! Dec 27 17:04:10 python package doesn't really need source ... :) Dec 27 17:04:20 s/package/application Dec 27 17:04:31 it s already the source ... Dec 27 17:04:33 rsync via ssh could be your dream Dec 27 17:04:38 zoran> rsync ? Dec 27 17:04:43 via ssh ? Dec 27 17:04:46 hum how ? Dec 27 17:04:51 works, as I know Dec 27 17:05:05 have december linux journal? Dec 27 17:05:18 or november, have to take a look tomorrow Dec 27 17:05:45 Khertan, but it is nice to have a easily replicable package Dec 27 17:06:05 Khertan, otherwise you need to redo all the work the original author did when building the package Dec 27 17:06:38 inz: i don't understand Dec 27 17:06:57 otoh, my packages on average have no content, and are arch independent :) Dec 27 17:07:52 timeless, there is a "standard way" of building deb packages (which usually involves dpkg-buildpackage) Dec 27 17:08:46 timeless, which makes it easy to make a small change and build a package, you don't need to learn yet another build mechanism Dec 27 17:09:14 timeless, but if you only have the program sources, you need to figure out a way to put things in right places etc etc Dec 27 17:09:27 inz> as the standard way doesn't work on tablet due to busybox Dec 27 17:09:36 inz> i use pypackager ... Dec 27 17:10:21 inz > and as i use svn ... to rebuild the package you only need to download it and open the .pkb file with PyPackager :) Dec 27 17:10:34 then click on build button. Dec 27 17:11:14 no need to use open a term ... use strange command for a user which isn't a dev ... Dec 27 17:11:42 ok of course ... it s not the debian way, it s not standart ... but as i dev onboard ... Dec 27 17:12:06 and don't use a desktop because i dev in the train ... Dec 27 17:12:24 and have no time for personnal project at home ... it s better than nothing ;) Dec 27 17:12:55 zoran> so it s in the december linux journal ? the french one ? Dec 27 17:13:06 us one Dec 27 17:13:13 arg ... Dec 27 17:13:26 have to go to work and take a look Dec 27 17:13:29 don't know that there is the same in us :) Dec 27 17:13:46 zoran > send me an email if you can :) Dec 27 17:14:01 or just post it here and send me an email ... i ll look in the logs :) Dec 27 17:14:02 I will be here tomorrow :) Dec 27 17:14:33 (i'm not always reading the chan ... but logs logs logs are marvelous ! :) Dec 27 17:14:56 zoran> thanks Dec 27 17:15:04 np Dec 27 17:15:08 Khertan, you could make pypackager to generate a source package ;) Dec 27 17:15:51 inz> yeah but i need to understand how source package is build ... Dec 27 17:16:10 inz > but yes ... i ve think to do this ... why not ... Dec 27 17:16:40 i need some evolution to push PyPackager to a version number >= 1.0 :) Dec 27 17:17:29 so ... i ll take my train in 5 min ... bye Dec 27 17:22:11