**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Dec 28 02:59:56 2007
Dec 28 03:14:44 <dospod> anybody here to answer some questions?
Dec 28 03:23:56 <Dregz> questions about what?
Dec 28 03:24:06 <Dregz> dospod^^
Dec 28 03:31:12 <dospod> os 2008 and apps on it
Dec 28 03:31:31 <dospod> why is it that nicotine and squishee aren't loading or is that normal?
Dec 28 03:31:49 <dospod> and how long should I wait for kinks in the os to be fixed?
Dec 28 03:33:19 <astro76> the repositories are messed up until the Nokia folk return from vacation
Dec 28 03:34:39 <dospod> well I found out about the spelling error in the repo
Dec 28 03:34:47 <dospod> I installed nicotine and squishe just fine
Dec 28 03:34:52 <dospod> they are in the menu
Dec 28 03:35:04 <dospod> I click on them and they say loading , but they never open
Dec 28 03:35:13 <dospod> pidgin , and the browser work , and so does transmission
Dec 28 03:35:13 <astro76> it's not a spelling error actually... *.maemo.org points to stage.maemo.org, but I digress
Dec 28 03:35:41 <dospod> well in the extras in the application manager they added a i in repostory which wouldnt let me install apps
Dec 28 03:35:41 <astro76> sounds like a problem with those individual apps then
Dec 28 03:35:47 <dospod> I took away the i and then the apps installed
Dec 28 03:36:07 <astro76> dospod, repository.maemo.org is what you should use, but there is a problem with the akamai setup at the moment
Dec 28 03:36:25 <dospod> I like the os , its polished , I like os 2007 but I wish these apps work
Dec 28 03:36:59 <dospod> I changed it to repostory.maemo.org and the python libs and stuff installed
Dec 28 03:37:12 <dospod> its just squishee and nicotine won't open
Dec 28 03:38:43 <dospod> and I miss xchat but thats not ported yet , so I guess Il have to wait or vpn either way that won't hurt me too bad
Dec 28 03:40:36 <astro76> yeah I'm waiting for xchat too
Dec 28 03:41:27 <Luria> eh?
Dec 28 03:41:33 <Luria> im on xchat right now
Dec 28 03:42:45 <admin_> hey, just running aircrack-ng on the n770. When running, the unicode/characters go a bit crazy and it's not in standard english chars. Any idea how to fix that?
Dec 28 03:43:16 <dospod> Luria ur on xchat in os 2008?
Dec 28 03:44:25 <Luria> yes
Dec 28 03:44:27 <Luria> one sec
Dec 28 03:44:34 <Luria> ill dcc the deb
Dec 28 03:45:14 <Dregz> http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/
Dec 28 03:45:51 <Dregz> you want the bottom link
Dec 28 03:46:31 <Dregz> others are language packs
Dec 28 03:47:13 <dospod> thx for the link
Dec 28 03:52:15 <Luria> yeah thats it
Dec 28 03:52:33 <Luria> sorry, chatting with a cute lady about cameras
Dec 28 03:53:17 <dospod> lol its ok I know how chatting and cute girls goes
Dec 28 03:53:23 <dospod> Im a teenager lol
Dec 28 03:56:10 <dospod> brb in like 5 sec
Dec 28 03:57:25 <astro76> he's late, darn kids
Dec 28 03:57:28 * astro76 shakes fist
Dec 28 03:59:28 <dospod> back
Dec 28 04:04:19 <dospod> anybody know where I can get a nmap it2008 package
Dec 28 04:05:13 <dospod> if they is 1 that would be badass
Dec 28 04:23:29 <shack008n> is just me or this does NOT play on the n800? http://youtube.com/watch?v=nLvVeXqV-u8
Dec 28 04:26:11 <dospod> oo would eat ram on here
Dec 28 04:26:56 <GAN800> It's just you.
Dec 28 04:28:40 <GAN800> Playback is fine over here.
Dec 28 04:29:12 <dospod> it runs on 2008 fine
Dec 28 04:29:29 <dospod> but the apps in the movie hell no lol
Dec 28 04:32:16 <GAN800> It's x-forwarding, dospod.
Dec 28 04:33:03 <dospod> but thats lame :p
Dec 28 04:33:25 <dospod> i want it in my apps list
Dec 28 04:34:35 <GAN800> wait for the omap3430
Dec 28 04:41:05 <jga> anybody able to install python in scratchbox?
Dec 28 04:56:49 <shack0081> even more strange (ssl_error_bad_mac_alert) when opening garage, wtf is wrong here?
Dec 28 05:25:13 <sandyang> :)
Dec 28 05:25:20 <dospod> hey
Dec 28 05:26:07 <sandyang> g`noon!
Dec 28 05:27:44 <dospod> its night but hey
Dec 28 05:30:17 <sandyang> are you come from US?
Dec 28 05:30:41 <dospod> yes
Dec 28 05:33:23 <dospod> one of the few american nokia consumers
Dec 28 05:33:24 <sandyang> what did u do at home in night usually?
Dec 28 05:33:36 <dospod> im 15
Dec 28 05:33:57 <dospod> so when i can i leave and drink
Dec 28 05:34:21 <sandyang> a student?
Dec 28 05:34:27 <dospod> but i just got home tonite so im home tonite
Dec 28 05:34:39 <dospod> student in  hs
Dec 28 05:35:27 <sandyang> why not buy nokia phone in ur city?
Dec 28 05:36:03 <dospod> cdma carrier
Dec 28 05:36:46 <dospod> and everyone else wants a iphone or sidekick or razr
Dec 28 05:37:06 <Luria> dospod, you still need nmap?
Dec 28 05:37:56 <astro76> dospod, triple yuck
Dec 28 05:38:25 <astro76> but yeah, currently Verizon Wireless doesn't have a single Nokia model :( apparently Nokia is working on it's US presence
Dec 28 05:38:26 <dospod> nmap would be cool
Dec 28 05:38:42 <dospod> im on sprint/nextel
Dec 28 05:38:52 <astro76> both cdma
Dec 28 05:39:33 <Luria> ah crap
Dec 28 05:39:39 <dospod> sanyo/samsung/htc are sprints main brands
Dec 28 05:39:52 <dospod> and ii know im on cdma
Dec 28 05:40:15 <astro76> clearly, but perhaps you didn't know about vzw
Dec 28 05:40:36 <dospod> i knew too
Dec 28 05:40:43 <dospod> phone geek
Dec 28 05:40:49 <dospod> :]
Dec 28 05:41:09 <dospod> im the nerd in a jock disguise
Dec 28 05:41:19 <astro76> I've been sticking with LG lately, but Samsung is also nice... I am done with Motorola
Dec 28 05:41:34 <dospod> try again luria
Dec 28 05:41:36 <Mitt4Prez> Mitt Romney is dedicated to defending our country!
Dec 28 05:41:39 <Mitt4Prez> "Jihadism – violent, radical, fundamental Islam – is this century’s nightmare. It follows the same dark path as last century’s nightmares: fascism and Soviet communism. Many still fail to comprehend the extent of the threat posed by radical Islam, specifically by those extremists who promote violent Jihad against the United States and the universal values Americans espouse. Yet, the consequences
Dec 28 05:41:43 <Mitt4Prez>  of ignoring this threat – such as a radicalized Islamic actor possessing nuclear weapons – are simply unacceptable."
Dec 28 05:41:46 <Mitt4Prez> Mitt Romney for President 2008   Our only chance for security.
Dec 28 05:41:48 <Mitt4Prez> Vote Mitt Romney
Dec 28 05:41:49 <Luria> kb, please
Dec 28 05:41:52 <astro76> apparently only the Finns and Koreans can make excellent phones ;)
Dec 28 05:41:53 <dospod> i got a samsung upstae
Dec 28 05:42:00 <dospod> kb?
Dec 28 05:42:06 <Luria> k/b
Dec 28 05:42:11 <Luria> kick ban
Dec 28 05:42:11 <astro76> Mitt4Prez, didn't you get k-lined enough yet dipshit
Dec 28 05:42:17 <dospod> oh
Dec 28 05:42:23 <astro76> ooh vote for me, I support spam
Dec 28 05:43:15 <Mitt4Prez> what's a kline?
Dec 28 05:43:17 <Mitt4Prez> this isn't spam
Dec 28 05:43:19 <Mitt4Prez> it is advertisement
Dec 28 05:43:21 <Mitt4Prez> spam are viagra ads in your email
Dec 28 05:43:23 <Mitt4Prez> this is a legit message
Dec 28 05:43:37 <astro76> lol
Dec 28 05:43:56 <astro76> spam is unsolicited advertisement
Dec 28 05:44:10 <Luria> sent en masse
Dec 28 05:44:21 <Mitt4Prez> Mitt Romney is dedicated to defending our country!
Dec 28 05:44:24 <Mitt4Prez> "Jihadism – violent, radical, fundamental Islam – is this century’s nightmare. It follows the same dark path as last century’s nightmares: fascism and Soviet communism. Many still fail to comprehend the extent of the threat posed by radical Islam, specifically by those extremists who promote violent Jihad against the United States and the universal values Americans espouse. Yet, the consequences
Dec 28 05:44:30 <Mitt4Prez>  of ignoring this threat – such as a radicalized Islamic actor possessing nuclear weapons – are simply unacceptable."
Dec 28 05:44:33 <Mitt4Prez> Mitt Romney for President 2008   Our only chance for security.
Dec 28 05:44:35 <Mitt4Prez> Vote Mitt Romney
Dec 28 05:44:37 <Mitt4Prez> i need to make a living
Dec 28 05:44:39 <Mitt4Prez> i found a cool job in politics
Dec 28 05:44:41 <Mitt4Prez> this is politicking for the 21st century
Dec 28 05:44:50 <astro76> Mitt4Prez, you are embarassing you and your candidate
Dec 28 05:45:01 <astro76> yay!
Dec 28 05:45:10 <freychef> thank you.
Dec 28 05:45:40 <blast007> that was...interesting :/
Dec 28 05:46:47 <Luria> i guess there was a pissed off ircop
Dec 28 05:47:14 <astro76> of course with the pathetic state of politics in this country (US), it's no surprise it's going the way of viagra ads
Dec 28 05:48:56 <dospod> lol
Dec 28 05:49:08 <Luria> 2008 elections: b1gg3r @nd |-|@rd3r!
Dec 28 05:49:16 <astro76> haha
Dec 28 06:09:00 <dospod> cyas tommorow
Dec 28 06:51:42 <sandyang> :)
Dec 28 07:00:32 <Dregz> hmm, well i seem to have forgot my root password, what are my options here?
Dec 28 07:00:45 <Dregz> N800, OS2008
Dec 28 07:09:47 <sandyang> does the password can be change?
Dec 28 07:10:39 <Vulcanis> dregz: Download "becomeroot"
Dec 28 07:10:52 <Vulcanis> after that, in xterm, type 'sudo gainroot'
Dec 28 07:11:10 <Vulcanis> then passwd, and you can reset the root password, though sudo gainroot is usually easier
Dec 28 07:11:28 <Dregz> thanks
Dec 28 07:43:11 <Luria> hmmm i prefer ssh root@localhost after openssh install
Dec 28 07:43:37 <Luria> and editing sudoers
Dec 28 07:44:10 <Vulcanis> its not the easiest, or most userfriendly way, though
Dec 28 07:44:36 <timelyx> Luria: capture-root :)
Dec 28 07:46:19 <Luria> but its not as hackish
Dec 28 07:47:10 <Luria> iow, its how things are supposed to work and does require extra programs to do what sudo is supposed to do
Dec 28 07:49:42 <Luria> hell, once you do that you can passwd -l root
Dec 28 07:50:57 <derf> /var/lib/dpkg/info/base-files.postinst: /var/lib/dpkg/info/base-files.postinst: 130: md5sum: not found
Dec 28 07:51:09 <derf> I hope whatever it was trying to md5sum was not important.
Dec 28 07:58:31 <timeless> infobot capture-root
Dec 28 07:58:39 <timeless> infobot capture root
Dec 28 07:58:40 * infobot chases root mercilessly for minutes, hours & days on end until he finally captures root & drags root back to the gaol for some truly heinous punishment
Dec 28 07:58:56 <timeless> gah
Dec 28 07:59:05 <timeless> infobot capture-root is http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/capture-root-0.1.deb
Dec 28 07:59:06 <infobot> timeless: okay
Dec 28 08:03:10 <truent> anyone use ruby-maemo?
Dec 28 08:55:30 <user_> is there a vnc viewer for os2008?
Dec 28 08:56:27 <guardian> morning
Dec 28 09:16:55 <Spakman_> hello
Dec 28 09:17:03 <Spakman_> truent: I use ruby-maemo
Dec 28 09:24:48 <unique311> does any mame games work for xmame?
Dec 28 09:24:59 <unique311> can't get any to run
Dec 28 09:29:02 <Luria> i never could
Dec 28 09:29:05 <Luria> im so happy
Dec 28 09:29:13 <Luria> nethack on chinook
Dec 28 09:29:20 <Luria> subway rides are fun again
Dec 28 09:29:35 <Phobbes_zzzz> whoo hoo! The amulet of yendor is ours!
Dec 28 09:29:42 <Luria> screw mame :-)
Dec 28 09:29:58 <Luria> i just had my posessions identified
Dec 28 09:30:28 <Phobbes> it's always those damn eyes that get me when I'm not paying attention
Dec 28 09:30:46 <Luria> i was chase by a straw golem at level 4 :-/
Dec 28 09:30:57 <Luria> chased
Dec 28 09:32:02 <Phobbes> how is it using the onscreen keyboard for NH?
Dec 28 09:32:41 <Luria> fine
Dec 28 09:32:54 <Luria> touch screen nh is great
Dec 28 09:33:18 <Luria> plus most important commands are on the toolbar
Dec 28 09:33:38 <Luria> the rest are in the drop down menu (like rest, pray, etc)
Dec 28 09:33:59 <Luria> but i like clicking a place and having my elf ranger run over
Dec 28 09:34:16 <Phobbes> under what conditions will he stop on the way?
Dec 28 09:34:34 <Phobbes> (I have to wait until my n800 arrives tomorrow to test all this out myself)
Dec 28 09:34:34 <Luria> i honestly dont know
Dec 28 09:34:40 <Luria> its been a while
Dec 28 09:34:50 <Luria> then you want this thread on ITT
Dec 28 09:35:01 <glass_> stops for everything except floating eyes (j/k...)
Dec 28 09:35:01 <Phobbes> are the graphics ascii, or with a tileset?
Dec 28 09:35:13 <glass_> tileset in the one that i tried
Dec 28 09:35:20 <Khertan_TheReal> Hi !
Dec 28 09:35:51 <Luria> tileset
Dec 28 09:35:59 <Luria> no ascii option
Dec 28 09:36:13 <Luria> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12291&highlight=nethack
Dec 28 09:36:35 <Luria> uh, i guess you can remove the highlight
Dec 28 09:37:30 <Luria> seriously tho, NH is the best game on the ITs
Dec 28 09:37:55 <glass_> hehe.. probably the one with most longevity
Dec 28 09:38:26 <glass_> but dunno best. i rather like day of tentacle, but it's got an ending you'll hit faster. which is sort of good in a game too
Dec 28 09:38:46 <glass_> so you don't spend your entire life playing it
Dec 28 09:39:22 <Phobbes> Is there a ScummVM for maemo?
Dec 28 09:39:43 <Phobbes> if I have NH and scumm I'm a happy camper
Dec 28 09:39:45 <Spakman_> hi Khertan_TheReal
Dec 28 09:39:53 <Luria> everything else feels like its been hacked to work with the interface
Dec 28 09:40:01 <Luria> yes thers is scummvm
Dec 28 09:40:08 <Luria> there
Dec 28 09:40:14 <Spakman_> Khertan_TheReal: any news on ruby-maemo home applets getting destroyed properly?
Dec 28 09:40:18 <Luria> damn, 5am irc takes its toll
Dec 28 09:48:36 <Khertan_TheReal> Spakman_ > no news ... alterego have rebuild his desktop machine ... so need some times to reconfigure all
Dec 28 09:52:26 <timeless> hi sp3000
Dec 28 09:53:41 <Luria> wow
Dec 28 09:53:44 <Luria> living people
Dec 28 09:54:39 <Luria> or not
Dec 28 10:02:34 * sp3000 wakes up, almost
Dec 28 10:05:01 <inz> glass_, IIRC I've played DOTT through on a maemo device, probably 770
Dec 28 10:15:19 <timeless> luria: i'm more of a dead person
Dec 28 10:31:07 <sbaturzio> Aloha!
Dec 28 10:32:10 <maddler> kahua!
Dec 28 10:32:40 <maddler> inz: I was playing DOTT on N800 using scumm
Dec 28 10:33:24 <maddler> but if I recall correctly scumm should also be available on 770 as well...
Dec 28 11:01:01 <Juhaz> it is
Dec 28 11:35:37 <Khertan_TheReal> hum ... can't find a french version of nethack ...
Dec 28 13:55:11 <yabbas> any bluetooth coders "in da house"?
Dec 28 13:55:37 <blkno1> How do I start the sshd daemon, on an N800 (2007SE)
Dec 28 13:56:26 <Khertan_TheReal> yabbas> if it s about using python bluez api .. i can help u ... maybe
Dec 28 13:57:17 <yabbas> khertan_, it's about retrieving friendly device names in Cpp.
Dec 28 13:59:18 <yabbas> hci_read_remote_name doesn't seem to return successful.  looking through the hcitool sources it looks like hcitool retrieves friendly names by parsing /var/lib/bluetooth/name ... question is - I have no idea when this  var is updated (so it'd be best if I can retrieve  the names by directly querying the device)
Dec 28 13:59:49 <yabbas> Where do I look? :)
Dec 28 14:00:44 <Khertan_TheReal> in Cpp ... so i can't help you ... don't know the api ...
Dec 28 14:00:56 <yabbas> Bluez api documentation _sucks_.  They refer to hci_read_remote.  Nowhere seems to tell me how to go about reading these names if not successful.  How would you do it in python?
Dec 28 14:02:02 <maddler> blkno1: it should start automatically upon startup...
Dec 28 14:02:30 <maddler> blkno1: if not you are supposed to use "/etc/init.d/sshd start" as root user
Dec 28 14:02:37 <blkno1> maddler, I can ping it but it acceptrs no connections
Dec 28 14:02:51 <blkno1> doesnt work on the device either trying ssh 127.0.01
Dec 28 14:03:09 <maddler> are you sure ssh-server is correctly installed?
Dec 28 14:03:43 <blkno1> I have open-sshserver installed
Dec 28 14:03:52 <blkno1> correctly who knows lol
Dec 28 14:04:48 <maddler> try removing/installing it
Dec 28 14:04:50 <blkno1> hmmm maybe dropbear client conflicting
Dec 28 14:04:52 <maddler> and reboot :)
Dec 28 14:05:02 <maddler> perhaps...
Dec 28 14:05:08 <maddler> keep only one installed...
Dec 28 14:05:18 <maddler> at least they will both try to bind to port 22
Dec 28 14:10:09 <blackd0t> Hi guys
Dec 28 14:10:59 <blkno1> maddler, it worked thanks!
Dec 28 14:11:11 <blackd0t> Does anyone know why iptables on maemo doesn't understand the --to-port paremeter for example: -j REDIRECT --to-port 8080 ?
Dec 28 14:12:18 <maddler> tryed man iptables? ;)
Dec 28 14:12:23 <blackd0t> Dang, seems that I always have problems that I can't find solution for on google :/
Dec 28 14:12:32 <maddler> ;)
Dec 28 14:12:40 <blackd0t> maddler: There is no 'man' in maemo I believe
Dec 28 14:12:55 <blackd0t> Also --to-port should work, but it just is not recognized on maemo for some reason
Dec 28 14:13:15 <maddler> http://www.google.com/search?q=man+iptables
Dec 28 14:13:53 <maddler> try --dport
Dec 28 14:14:27 <blackd0t> I use --dport before, but later I have -j REDIRECT --to-port [port]
Dec 28 14:14:37 <maddler> yup... sorry... misread...
Dec 28 14:14:37 <blackd0t> I also tried '--to-ports' and it was still the same
Dec 28 14:14:38 <maddler> :)
Dec 28 14:15:31 <maddler> dude... you are missing a "s"
Dec 28 14:15:33 <blackd0t> No problem :) I really have no idea what's going on, my linux box on laptop understands --to-port with no problems and I also looked up on the internet and the iptables version 1.2.x that is on maemo should recognize it
Dec 28 14:15:38 <maddler> ;)
Dec 28 14:15:47 <blackd0t> Yep, I tried '--to-ports' as well :)
Dec 28 14:16:00 <maddler> oh...
Dec 28 14:16:01 <maddler> who knows...
Dec 28 14:16:15 <maddler> I'll give it a try later at home...
Dec 28 14:16:17 <blackd0t> I'll try again though, maybe it's my fault that I did something wrong still :)
Dec 28 14:16:20 <blackd0t> Sure, thanks
Dec 28 14:17:18 <blackd0t> Btw, I have this n800 thingie for 2 days and it's completely awesome, I ported ettercap to it with my personal sniffing tools and it works amazingly well!
Dec 28 14:17:45 <maddler> I'd be curious to give it a try...
Dec 28 14:17:53 <maddler> N800 is a great security tool!
Dec 28 14:18:16 <blackd0t> Exactly! It's amazing how many things it's capable of doing and it fits in your pocket!
Dec 28 14:18:23 <maddler> right...
Dec 28 14:18:36 <inz> blackd0t, maybe the busybox iptables is b0rken
Dec 28 14:21:01 <blackd0t> inz, it should be fine I guess. Is there any place to get the sources for ipchains, so that I can try porting it to maemo?
Dec 28 14:21:17 <blackd0t> I believe it comes with the kernel
Dec 28 14:21:45 <ph|ber> anyone using kismet on the n810?
Dec 28 14:22:02 <maddler> blackd0t: I suggest you tos tart fom debian sources...
Dec 28 14:22:26 <blackd0t> maddler: Right, I'll try that one if that doesn't work
Dec 28 14:22:52 <maddler> http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages
Dec 28 14:22:55 <maddler> yup...
Dec 28 14:22:58 <inz> blackd0t, do use iptables rather than ipchains
Dec 28 14:23:10 <maddler> ph|ber: I was on OS2007
Dec 28 14:23:10 <inz> blackd0t, the debian iptables most likely compiles without changes
Dec 28 14:23:21 <blackd0t> inz: Yeah ipchains seem outdated
Dec 28 14:23:23 <maddler> inz: it should...
Dec 28 14:23:28 <ph|ber> maddler: do you have a packages anywhere?
Dec 28 14:23:34 <maddler> ipchains IS outdated :)
Dec 28 14:23:40 <blackd0t> ;)
Dec 28 14:23:40 <inz> very dat
Dec 28 14:24:23 <maddler> ph|ber: no... it was on a repository...
Dec 28 14:24:56 <maddler> ph|ber: MaemoHackers's perhaps...
Dec 28 14:26:20 <ph|ber> is the maemolive development enviroment for the 810?
Dec 28 14:29:25 <inz> maddler, no kismet in m-h
Dec 28 14:30:11 <maddler> it was on eko.one.pl
Dec 28 14:30:13 <blackd0t> http://irongeek.com/i.php?page=maemo/nokia-770-800-hacking-pen-testing - here is a good link with repositories
Dec 28 14:30:15 <maddler> http://eko.one.pl/index.php?page=Nokia770_software#Kismet
Dec 28 14:30:41 <ph|ber> if i wanted to compile my own stuff... would i use the maemo live enviroment?
Dec 28 14:30:50 <blackd0t> http://irongeek.com/maemo/eko1kismet.install
Dec 28 14:31:20 <maddler> blackd0t: right
Dec 28 14:31:27 <maddler> ph|ber: you could...
Dec 28 14:31:32 <maddler> ph|ber: or install scratchbox
Dec 28 14:31:35 <ph|ber> is there something better.?
Dec 28 14:31:40 <ph|ber> where is scratchbox at?
Dec 28 14:33:14 <blackd0t> ph|ber: http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/?p=453 - try out this tutorial
Dec 28 14:33:33 <blackd0t> It's from Dec 16th so it's pretty up to date
Dec 28 14:34:47 <jeddy3> anyone familiar with what kindoff profile is needed for bt gps pairing on n800?
Dec 28 14:39:01 <maddler> jeddy3: sorry, can't see what you mean...
Dec 28 14:41:05 <jeddy3> maddler, i'm trying to pair up my neo with n800 to use as a bluetooth gps, but n800 refuses to recongnize it
Dec 28 14:41:52 <jeddy3> i can experiment with different services avaliable from neo, but the only one i can figure out is needed is SP/SPP (serial)
Dec 28 14:58:59 <Khertan_TheReal> http://www.spicebird.com/Spicebird
Dec 28 14:59:04 <Khertan_TheReal> oups ww
Dec 28 15:21:16 <ph|ber> fuck.
Dec 28 15:21:32 <ph|ber> blackd0t: wtf is up with all the damn repos
Dec 28 15:21:36 <ph|ber> with size mismatch shit.
Dec 28 15:21:53 <blackd0t> Ahh, they are still down it seems
Dec 28 15:22:00 <blackd0t> You have to install the deb patch
Dec 28 15:22:05 <ph|ber> sheet..
Dec 28 15:22:10 <blackd0t> By timeless
Dec 28 15:22:10 <ph|ber> for my scratchbox?
Dec 28 15:22:34 <blackd0t> Let me find you a link
Dec 28 15:22:48 <blackd0t> No, for your whole linux box, it will change the dns to the private repository
Dec 28 15:24:31 <blackd0t> http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/repository-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb
Dec 28 15:24:37 <blackd0t> This should be it
Dec 28 15:25:03 <sk> hey
Dec 28 15:25:23 <sk> inz: so I switched to debian, got arm/x86 scratchbox setup
Dec 28 15:25:35 <sk> and xypher w/the gui
Dec 28 15:25:51 <sk> but when i goto compile code (just the sample helloworld.c type stuff)
Dec 28 15:25:57 <sk> the compiler can't find the includes
Dec 28 15:26:01 <sk> but they are there
Dec 28 15:26:16 <sk> i really want to do pyhon dev, not c
Dec 28 15:26:26 <sk> does anyone have a good link for python dev
Dec 28 15:26:29 <sk> on the n770
Dec 28 15:26:45 <sk> i found one, but its for dev ON the device, not in scratchbox
Dec 28 15:33:08 <zoran> Khertan, around?
Dec 28 15:34:51 <zoran> as I promised yesterday, I found an article in december issue of linux journal
Dec 28 15:35:25 <zoran> Ben Martin, On-line encrypted backup for your laptop
Dec 28 15:36:06 <zoran> the text is about using fuse to mount on-line storage service
Dec 28 15:36:32 <zoran> so, rsync is used directoly via ssh
Dec 28 15:37:15 <zoran> the point is to install sshfs: apt-get install fuse-sshfs
Dec 28 15:37:45 <zoran> for security it is possible to use eCryptfs or EncFS
Dec 28 15:38:01 <zoran> the author had some ptoblems with the former
Dec 28 15:38:37 <zoran> EncFs is a fuse filesystem that takes a raw filesystem and presents a new filesystem
Dec 28 15:38:58 <zoran> EncFS requires fuse, OpenSSL and rlog
Dec 28 15:39:14 <zoran> so apt-get install fuse-ecfs rlog
Dec 28 15:39:27 <zoran> *fuse-encfs
Dec 28 15:40:06 <zoran> rsync is used on EncFS which is using sshfs to provide on-line storage
Dec 28 15:40:52 <zoran> rsync -av --delete-after --include="*.txt" --no-g directory/ ~/files
Dec 28 15:41:08 <zoran> some interesting links:
Dec 28 15:41:19 <zoran> fuse.sourceforge.net/sshfs
Dec 28 15:41:29 <zoran> arg0.net/wiki/andfs
Dec 28 15:41:36 <zoran> arg0.net/wiki/encfs
Dec 28 15:42:07 <zoran> richard.jones.name/google-hacks/gmail-filesystem/gmail-filesystem.html
Dec 28 16:05:51 <Khertan_TheReal> zoran ... i m reading :)
Dec 28 16:09:20 <Khertan_TheReal> zoran> there is no fuse package available for maemo, isn't it ?
Dec 28 16:10:37 <Khertan_TheReal> and kernel doesn't seem to include FUSE
Dec 28 16:18:34 <blackd0t> I ported iptables 1.3.6 to maemo with NO_SHARED_LIBS=1 and DO_MULTI=1 and here is what I get when I launch it:
Dec 28 16:18:35 <blackd0t> Nokia-N800-39:/media# iptables
Dec 28 16:18:35 <blackd0t> getsockopt failed strangely: No such file or directory
Dec 28 16:19:08 <blackd0t> With no "NO_SHARED_LIBS" I get errors on "undefined arg '--dport'"
Dec 28 16:19:57 <blackd0t> If iptables extensions are installed in /usr/lib/iptables should I somehow register them? I tried adding /usr/lib/iptables to /etc/ld.so.conf, but that didn't help as well
Dec 28 16:20:58 <blackd0t> Maybe getsockopt fails because iptables 1.3.6 is not compatible with the busybox 2.6.18 kernel?
Dec 28 16:24:01 <macluvjay> i removed esc from xterm toolbar
Dec 28 16:24:32 <macluvjay> how can i get that nack
Dec 28 16:25:55 <macluvjay> need it for vim lol
Dec 28 16:26:07 <Veggen> mac: there is a hardware esc.
Dec 28 16:26:19 <Veggen> (the round arrow)
Dec 28 16:26:48 <kulve> hmm.. I paired my bt headset and I could listen to music using it. Then I disconnected it. Where can I connect it again as the audio device?
Dec 28 16:27:09 <macluvjay> thank you so much!
Dec 28 16:28:42 <macluvjay> win 5
Dec 28 16:29:00 <kulve> oh, it connects it automatically, if I have bt already on in the deviec
Dec 28 16:29:03 <kulve> device
Dec 28 16:29:22 <dospod> maemo ftw
Dec 28 16:29:41 <macluvjay> +++
Dec 28 16:30:00 <macluvjay> =D
Dec 28 16:30:38 <dospod> im glad i didnt buy the ipod touch
Dec 28 16:49:25 <blackd0t> Shit, I managed to get this --to-port in iptables to work finally by recompiling iptables 1.2.11 myself, but now it tells me that it can't find the 'nat' table :/
Dec 28 16:49:25 <blackd0t> iptables v1.2.11: can't initialize iptables table `nat': Table does not exist (do you need to insmod?)
Dec 28 16:49:25 <blackd0t> Perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded.
Dec 28 16:50:44 <blackd0t> Does anyone have any idea how to bypass that one? I believe it's not possible to recompile the kernel in any way on N800 to enable this CONFIG_IP_NF_NAT=y for netfilter in kernel build options.
Dec 28 16:53:28 <kulve> compiling your own kernel is almost trivial
Dec 28 16:53:38 <kulve> at least it was for bora, and I don't think it has changed..
Dec 28 16:54:57 <blackd0t> Oh really? Do you have any articles on how to do that exactly?
Dec 28 16:55:17 <blackd0t> So I can install whichever kernel I want or should I stick to the 2.6.18 version that's already installed?
Dec 28 16:55:45 <LoCusF_> there should be sources around I guess?
Dec 28 16:56:27 <dospod> well im out bbl
Dec 28 16:57:04 <penguinbait> Christmas came
Dec 28 16:57:07 <penguinbait> Christmas went
Dec 28 16:57:21 <penguinbait> where in the hell is out n810's !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dec 28 16:57:29 <penguinbait> argh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dec 28 16:57:46 <LoCusF> my christmas came 17.12 <3
Dec 28 16:58:10 <kulve> blackd0t: you need to use the maemo kernel
Dec 28 16:58:24 <penguinbait> out = our
Dec 28 16:58:33 <bedboi> hi there
Dec 28 16:58:34 <kulve> blackd0t: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_KernelCompilation
Dec 28 16:58:39 <vegai> penguinbait: I concur!
Dec 28 16:58:45 <kulve> blackd0t: not sure if that's up-to-date with chinook
Dec 28 16:58:54 * vegai shakes his torch and pitchfork high in the air
Dec 28 16:59:31 <penguinbait> woohooo!!
Dec 28 16:59:38 <penguinbait> assemble the mob!!
Dec 28 16:59:38 <sibbe> http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/kernel_guide_for_maemo.html
Dec 28 17:00:08 <kulve> blackd0t: so, ignore my old url
Dec 28 17:00:15 <blackd0t> Ok thanks a lot guys!
Dec 28 17:00:37 <blackd0t> I hope this iptables will work with the 'nat' table after that
Dec 28 17:01:02 <penguinbait> I gave up long ago, but it would be great if it does
Dec 28 17:01:19 <kulve> I think there's no reason why the iptables wouldn't work
Dec 28 17:01:46 <penguinbait> iptables will work, but not all modules
Dec 28 17:01:55 <kulve> why not?
Dec 28 17:01:58 <penguinbait> I could never get IP masquerading to work
Dec 28 17:02:09 <penguinbait> I have not tried in like a year
Dec 28 17:02:13 <penguinbait> :)
Dec 28 17:02:42 <blackd0t> It didn't recognize '--to-port' args in REDIRECT argument, but I recompiled 1.2.11 myself and it seems to be fine, but now it doesn't recognize the 'nat' table
Dec 28 17:03:10 <penguinbait> well, I was compiling all the modules, not the kernel itself
Dec 28 17:03:36 <penguinbait> so I guess if your replacing the whole kernel it should probably work
Dec 28 17:04:04 <blackd0t> I'm very determined to do that ;)
Dec 28 17:04:18 <penguinbait> I just didn'tput that much effort into it, but it would be nice to share the bt connection over wlan
Dec 28 17:05:26 <kulve> blackd0t: I've enabled some debugging and ext2&3 in kernel for bora and it worked just fine. I think the same goes with iptables and chinook
Dec 28 17:06:28 <blackd0t> kulve : Sweet, thanks for info
Dec 28 17:13:39 <alterego> Just noticed a 770 in die hard :D
Dec 28 17:13:59 <sk> really?
Dec 28 17:14:00 <sk> hehe
Dec 28 17:14:59 <alterego> So that's Die Hard and Fantastic 4
Dec 28 17:15:56 <truent> alterego, any progress with ruby-dbus?
Dec 28 17:16:22 <alterego> truent, I've not been able to get the SDK installed :(
Dec 28 17:16:25 <alterego> The repo's are broken.
Dec 28 17:16:41 <kulve> there's a workaround..
Dec 28 17:16:46 <truent> alterego, and i misunderstood ruby-maemo as a project.. your documentation is fine..
Dec 28 17:16:52 <truent> ruby-gnome2 i needed to look up
Dec 28 17:16:58 <truent> alterego, do repostory.maemo.org
Dec 28 17:17:06 <truent> instead of repository.maemo.org
Dec 28 17:17:08 <alterego> It's broken.
Dec 28 17:17:14 <truent> hmm
Dec 28 17:17:19 <kulve> stage.maemo.org is not
Dec 28 17:17:22 <truent> i got it.. took about 3 nights of tryin ;p
Dec 28 17:17:30 <alterego> repostory.maemo.org?
Dec 28 17:17:41 <alterego> I get a load of 404's on packages in the sdk repository.
Dec 28 17:17:52 <truent> yeah
Dec 28 17:17:53 <truent> no i
Dec 28 17:18:03 <kulve> alterego: s,repository,stage,
Dec 28 17:18:18 <alterego> So I should use 'stage.maemo.org' instead?
Dec 28 17:18:27 <LoCusF> stage is now SDK repository eh?
Dec 28 17:18:37 <kulve> yeah, that bybasses some akamai cache
Dec 28 17:18:42 <kulve> LoCusF: no
Dec 28 17:18:47 <truent> cant be any worse than not havin it ;p
Dec 28 17:18:51 <kulve> but seems to work while the real one doesn't
Dec 28 17:19:18 <LoCusF> ok
Dec 28 17:20:19 <alterego> Well, I'm installing the maemo-sdk+ now. with sbox 2 so hopefully this'll work :)
Dec 28 17:20:34 <kulve> if it uses the same repos, it won't
Dec 28 17:20:49 <alterego> Sure, I'll just get it to use stage.
Dec 28 17:21:53 <truent> alterego, im trying to make a Gtk::Button with an inner-border.. but it no workee
Dec 28 17:22:14 <truent> is there another method?
Dec 28 17:22:27 <alterego> Another method?
Dec 28 17:22:28 <truent> i want the button to be bigger than the label widget..
Dec 28 17:22:34 <alterego> I'd just adjust the theme ..
Dec 28 17:22:43 <truent> im new to this
Dec 28 17:22:43 <alterego> Add padding?
Dec 28 17:22:56 <truent> to the label?
Dec 28 17:23:03 <alterego> Either
Dec 28 17:24:05 <truent> how do i add padding to the button's label?
Dec 28 17:24:24 <alterego> I dunno, read that documentation you were raving about earlier :P
Dec 28 17:24:34 <alterego> This is obviously a Gtk thing.
Dec 28 17:24:45 <alterego> Nothing strictly to do with ruby-gtk or ruby-maemo.
Dec 28 17:26:12 <truent> lol i did and viable option looked like inner-border.. but thats not accessible even though they say it is
Dec 28 17:26:12 <truent> what version of ruby-gnome2 did you put in ruby-maemo?
Dec 28 17:26:47 <alterego> 0.16.0
Dec 28 17:28:41 <alterego> You should download irb and use that.
Dec 28 17:28:57 <truent> i got it..
Dec 28 17:29:10 <truent> just wondering.. if you made a button you needed more padding on what would you do
Dec 28 17:29:11 <truent> ?
Dec 28 17:29:27 <alterego> I'd read the documentation for some kind of padding variable :P
Dec 28 17:29:46 <alterego> Which may involve talking directly to the theming engine.
Dec 28 17:31:10 <truent> k apparently i got some stuff to learn
Dec 28 17:31:37 <truent> bbl
Dec 28 17:31:39 <truent> thanks though
Dec 28 17:31:41 <alterego> You should really ask those folks over at irc.gnome.org #gtk+
Dec 28 17:34:31 <xan> truent, inner-border is a style property, you change it from an rc file or using something like gtk_rc_parse_string
Dec 28 17:34:40 <xan> ok, too late
Dec 28 17:37:18 <alterego> xan, that's kinda what I was thinking ;)
Dec 28 17:37:24 <alterego> Just couldn't remember the names.
Dec 28 17:42:44 <blackd0t> Seems I can't get the kernel sources for maemo because of the repository problems :/
Dec 28 17:45:02 <blackd0t> Stupid thing... I can't do anything about it...
Dec 28 17:47:40 <kulve> blackd0t: use stage.maemo.org
Dec 28 17:47:47 <kulve> I just donwloaded the kernel without problems
Dec 28 17:47:55 <X-Fade> blackd0t: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/k/kernel-source-rx-34/
Dec 28 17:48:04 <blackd0t> Ok thanks a lot
Dec 28 17:48:29 <kulve> X-Fade: direct links works only for some packages..
Dec 28 17:49:01 <X-Fade> kulve: Sure, but you can at least browse to see if they are there ;)
Dec 28 17:53:59 <sbaturzio> Aloha!
Dec 28 17:54:34 <penguinbait> aloha!
Dec 28 18:16:55 <blackd0t> X-Fade: In the kernel package you gave me the link to it seems there is no n770_defconfig or n800_defconfig in arch/arm/configs/
Dec 28 18:17:46 <sibbe> i used the nokia_2420_defconfig today for n800 with o2008
Dec 28 18:18:28 <blackd0t> There is no nokia_2420_defconfig as well for some reason :/
Dec 28 18:19:17 <sibbe> did you unpack it with dpkg-source -x?
Dec 28 18:19:49 <blackd0t> It was a tar.gz so I unpacked it with tar as I usually do
Dec 28 18:20:11 <sibbe> get the .dsc file too
Dec 28 18:20:12 <sibbe> afk
Dec 28 18:20:39 <blackd0t> Where can I get it from? I'd gladly get it with apt-get, but those damn repositories are broken
Dec 28 18:20:56 <ptman> sibbe: hi
Dec 28 18:21:25 <sibbe> ptman, hello
Dec 28 18:21:41 <blackd0t> sibbe: Can you supply me with a link?
Dec 28 18:21:51 <sibbe> blackd0t, from the same http dir i guess. oh, and diff.gz or something like that too
Dec 28 18:21:55 <ptman> sibbe: have you been long active in the maemo community?
Dec 28 18:22:19 <blackd0t> sibbe: Ahh ok
Dec 28 18:22:46 <sibbe> ptman, not... just borrowed n810 and n800 from work for the holidays :)
Dec 28 18:22:58 <ptman> just as I guessed =P
Dec 28 18:23:13 <sibbe> blackd0t, and then unpack it with dpkg-source -x foo.dsc
Dec 28 18:23:36 <ptman> I'm still waiting for Nokia to get their discount programme act together so that I can afford to buy my n810
Dec 28 18:24:19 <ptman> sibbe: everything ok otherwise?
Dec 28 18:24:22 <sibbe> n800 feels a bit better
Dec 28 18:24:36 <sibbe> ptman, yea
Dec 28 18:25:11 <ptman> I'm hoping the hw kbd will make it a good wireless ssh terminal
Dec 28 18:25:50 <sibbe> i hate n810:s metal back cover
Dec 28 18:26:07 <sibbe> also, the direction pad and other hw buttons are not as good as i expected
Dec 28 18:26:35 <ptman> =(
Dec 28 18:28:09 <sibbe> hey... having a late b-day party tomorrow, want to come?
Dec 28 18:28:10 <blackd0t> sibbe : Thanks a lot! It worked now
Dec 28 18:28:17 <sibbe> np
Dec 28 18:32:53 <kulve> blackd0t: there was the defconfig in the kernel just like the wiki page told..
Dec 28 18:34:02 <jeddy3> shrug
Dec 28 18:34:08 * jeddy3 is so close
Dec 28 18:34:41 <jeddy3> anyone have any experience with gps over rfcomm?
Dec 28 18:37:34 <blackd0t> kulve: Right, but I have to decompress it with dkpg-source for it to include the n800 defconfig
Dec 28 18:38:06 <jeddy3> i can even confirm that i get the nmea-messages to n800 with cat /dev/rfcomm0
Dec 28 18:38:16 <blackd0t> Also is it normal that when I add CONFIG_IP_NF_NAT=y to .config and perform 'make oldconfig' the "CONFIG_IP_NF_NAT" entry disappears from .config again?
Dec 28 18:38:31 <jeddy3> and gps "connects" but doesn't seem to get any information
Dec 28 18:41:04 <alterego> Well, sbox2 and maemo sdk seem to install okay.
Dec 28 18:41:25 <blackd0t> Seems that the kernel config doesn't even ask if I want to enable NAT table :| does it mean it's not possible to enable it?
Dec 28 18:42:04 <kulve> blackd0t: you should use menuconfig instead of directly editing the file
Dec 28 18:42:14 <kulve> "make ARCH=arm menuconfig" outside SB should work
Dec 28 18:43:08 <sk> i noticed maemo had a vmare image ... has anyone used it for setting up a dev environment?
Dec 28 18:43:58 <blackd0t> kulve: That didn't work for me, he's frustrated about some  KEY_UP and KEY_DOWN things. Probably keyboard input he can't handle
Dec 28 18:46:47 <blackd0t> kulve: When I try to configure normally the kernel for Linux it asks for "Full NAT (IP_NF_NAT)" while it doesn't ask for it when I configure the kernel for maemo
Dec 28 18:47:59 <blackd0t> That's indeed strange, like if it wasn't supported on maemo
Dec 28 18:49:04 <yabbas> gtk-update-icon-cache doesn't seem to work...anyone know how I can refresh the icons in the app-menu?
Dec 28 18:54:35 <Mousey> is the default email program the ONLY one that can use the LED for notification of new mail?
Dec 28 18:55:04 * yabbas scores!"
Dec 28 18:56:40 <jeddy3> is nmea-messages on rfcomm0 enough for map program on os2008? (n800)
Dec 28 19:01:11 <jeddy3> Mousey, supposedly modest should do it also, though havent tried
Dec 28 19:02:16 <ptman> sibbe: thanks, but I'm in Porvoo
Dec 28 19:02:38 <ptman> sibbe: but happy birthday, whenever it was
Dec 28 19:02:40 <sibbe> ptman, ok
Dec 28 19:02:43 <sibbe> (26th)
Dec 28 19:02:55 <Mousey> jeddy3: i haven't seen it do it, and i
Dec 28 19:03:12 <Mousey> i'd like claws-mail to do it, it's a hell of a lot prettier than the other ones i've seen
Dec 28 19:09:42 <jeddy3> can anyone explain steps needed to connect bt-gps to n800?
Dec 28 19:16:01 * thoughtfix wanders back
Dec 28 19:16:03 <thoughtfix> Hallo
Dec 28 19:18:21 <dospod> hey
Dec 28 19:19:07 <penguinbait> eh!
Dec 28 19:21:41 <blackd0t> Holy hell! Does 2.6.21 kernel even has NAT filtering support?!
Dec 28 19:23:04 <sibbe> maybe it has some dependencies.. search for NAT or something inside menuconfig
Dec 28 19:23:10 <sibbe> ...using / iirc
Dec 28 19:23:19 <|R> jeddy3 : setting -> control panel -> bluetooth -> devices -> new -> select -> 0000 probably -> ok
Dec 28 19:23:26 <yabbas> oi oi penguinbait  :)
Dec 28 19:23:38 <penguinbait> yabbas
Dec 28 19:23:40 <yabbas> eyyoop thoughtfix
Dec 28 19:23:42 <penguinbait> how goes it
Dec 28 19:23:53 <|R> so what happened to the wabbit ? :P
Dec 28 19:24:03 <blackd0t> sibbe: I compared the .config of my linux box and that .config from maemo kernel and it doesn't even ask for enabling NAT support
Dec 28 19:24:13 <blackd0t> sibbe: Is there some module I have to install?
Dec 28 19:24:30 <sibbe> you probably need to enable something else first
Dec 28 19:24:35 <yabbas> penguinbait, much better today.  Playing with D-BUS to get wminput working automagically.
Dec 28 19:24:42 <sibbe> like, ip forwarding support
Dec 28 19:25:10 <penguinbait> yabbas, I was not familiar with wii prior, but now my kids have one
Dec 28 19:25:23 <blackd0t> sibbe: Oh, I see. So how can I find out what dependencies it has?
Dec 28 19:25:25 <penguinbait> doesn't need IR?
Dec 28 19:25:35 <jeddy3> |R, the pairing bit seems to work, and gps says "connected" but it does NOT want to give me any information
Dec 28 19:25:46 <sibbe> blackd0t, using the search ^^
Dec 28 19:25:49 <yabbas> penguinbait, does need ir for pointer functions.  But works with button input without ir.
Dec 28 19:25:50 <penguinbait> jeddy3 go outside :)
Dec 28 19:26:11 <sibbe> or source :)
Dec 28 19:26:12 <|R> hehe
Dec 28 19:26:17 <penguinbait> ok, so dpad and numcuck will still work
Dec 28 19:26:18 <jeddy3> penguinbait, and nmea says i have fix :D
Dec 28 19:26:34 <sibbe> hmm, i'll go check that
Dec 28 19:26:37 <yabbas> aye, dpad and nunchuck work perfectly.  Accelerometers work well too.  :)
Dec 28 19:26:37 <blackd0t> sibbe: ehh ;)
Dec 28 19:26:38 <jeddy3> penguinbait, |R, PLUS i get nmea messages on rfcomm
Dec 28 19:26:39 <yabbas> penguinbait, want the apps as  they are atm?
Dec 28 19:26:45 <penguinbait> jeddy what is maemo-mapper telling you :)
Dec 28 19:27:03 <jeddy3> penguinbait, i'm using nokia standard map application
Dec 28 19:27:25 <jeddy3> penguinbait, it's telling me gps is connected, but does not show any more information whatsoever
Dec 28 19:27:36 <penguinbait> why not use a real map applications that has been being developed for 2+ years?
Dec 28 19:28:02 <jeddy3> penguinbait, good question :), because map was installed :P
Dec 28 19:28:18 <jeddy3> penguinbait, how about maps for maemo mapper, can i download for free?
Dec 28 19:28:25 <penguinbait> yes
Dec 28 19:28:36 <penguinbait> several diff sources
Dec 28 19:28:41 <jeddy3> "real", "professional" maps?
Dec 28 19:28:58 <penguinbait> google maps
Dec 28 19:28:58 <|R> google maps
Dec 28 19:28:58 <penguinbait> and sat maps
Dec 28 19:29:27 <penguinbait> I usually only use google, but there are many options
Dec 28 19:31:23 <Mousey> yah, ok. claws-mail is teh rock
Dec 28 19:31:37 <Mousey> i wonder why it's not default
Dec 28 19:33:14 <sibbe> blackd0t, Depends on: NET && INET && NETFILTER && IP_NF_IPTABLES && NF_CONNTRACK_IPV4
Dec 28 19:33:18 <blackd0t> sibbi: Ok I found out it doesn't even ask for IP_NF_CONNTRACK which is said to be needed for IP_NF_NAT and I can't enable that one as well
Dec 28 19:33:40 <sibbe> well then just check what IP_NF_CONNTRACK depends on...
Dec 28 19:33:41 <blackd0t> sibbe: Oh thanks a lot, I'll look up all of these
Dec 28 19:33:55 <blackd0t> sibbe: Geez, they couldn't have made it simplier
Dec 28 19:34:52 <sibbe> blackd0t, yea.. it should like at least warn you
Dec 28 19:35:16 <khertan_> Does someone know if dosbox can able to play to diablo on an n800 ?
Dec 28 19:35:48 <sk> the real quesiton is
Dec 28 19:35:52 <sk> can it play hellgate london
Dec 28 19:35:52 <sk> heh
Dec 28 19:35:58 <Mousey> hahaha
Dec 28 19:36:47 <khertan_> sk:  no no no ... Hellgate is bad thing ... and hurt this jewel that Diablo is
Dec 28 19:36:50 <sibbe> hmm.. i think it should be easy to extract a dependency map of linux kernel modules...
Dec 28 19:37:16 <sk> word, i feel you
Dec 28 19:37:30 <sk> i got a little bored of hellgate..diablo not so
Dec 28 19:38:12 * jeddy3 is replaying diabloII right now
Dec 28 19:40:28 <blackd0t> sibbe: : Thanks a lot man! I enabled "CONNTRACK_ENABLED" and the rest showed up :D
Dec 28 19:43:14 <khertan_> sk: hum ... you are talking about the new game hellgate london .... i'm talking about hellgate the mod for diablo ...
Dec 28 19:43:33 <khertan_> i don't know this game hellgate london ... it s seems to be a fps ... with a diablo style
Dec 28 19:43:34 <sk> oh word, didn't know they had one?
Dec 28 19:43:46 <khertan_> sk:  don't know :)
Dec 28 19:43:58 <sk> yeah, it is, i think its from some x blizzard employees
Dec 28 19:44:03 <sk> blizzard south
Dec 28 19:44:23 <khertan_> it s not a blizzard game ... it s a EA one ... which never do good game
Dec 28 19:44:57 <khertan_> is it already available ?
Dec 28 19:45:28 <khertan_> ouch same police as the original one from Diablo
Dec 28 19:45:42 <sk> EA blows, right on man
Dec 28 19:45:44 <sk> they are aweful
Dec 28 19:45:51 <sk> s/e/
Dec 28 19:46:45 <khertan_> ouch ... all french review say it s a poor game ... huhu
Dec 28 19:46:56 <sibbe> blackd0t, np #2 :)
Dec 28 19:47:41 <jeddy3> ok, retried with maemo-mapper, and it just connects briefly to gps and then says "connection failed, retry?", a launch from terminal gives the extra "invalid argument (no rfcomm created)"
Dec 28 19:48:33 <khertan_> if it s on os2008 .... on mine there is no rfcomm command line as on os2007
Dec 28 19:49:10 <jeddy3> khertan_, yes, on os2008...sorry, don't quite follow you?
Dec 28 19:51:33 <khertan_> i ven't seen any rfcomm command ... so if i understand the error ... maemo-mapper try to open a bluetooth connection with rfcomm command line.
Dec 28 19:52:00 <khertan_> and it s available only on 2006 and 2007 ... not on 2008 yet ...
Dec 28 19:52:28 <khertan_> be right back ...
Dec 28 20:06:25 <yabbas> is there any way to display the mouse cursor on the N800?
Dec 28 20:08:22 <blackd0t> Sweet, I just love compilation errors while compiling a kernel...
Dec 28 20:10:08 <yabbas> ahh hang on, may have found it
Dec 28 20:18:57 <Cptnodegard> can you connect a mouse with usb host mode? or BT... on n800
Dec 28 20:19:38 <yabbas> Cptnodegard, try it and see?  :)
Dec 28 20:20:34 <Cptnodegard> if i only had my n800 :( stupid mail
Dec 28 20:20:38 <Cptnodegard> at least its shipped
Dec 28 20:21:32 <yabbas> doh...I'll see if I can plug a USB one in
Dec 28 20:23:08 <Khertan> Re
Dec 28 20:24:54 <Khertan> ouch i ve discover a nice irc client ... only by http :)
Dec 28 20:25:02 <Khertan> without java
Dec 28 20:25:11 <Khertan> http://ircatwork.com/
Dec 28 20:33:08 <bigup> Hey there :)
Dec 28 20:35:46 <GNUton> Hu
Dec 28 20:52:10 <bigup> Damn i think i have a dead pixel on my one week old n800
Dec 28 20:54:28 <Khertan> no chance
Dec 28 20:54:33 <Khertan> :(
Dec 28 20:54:52 <Khertan> is it you who have post recently on maemofr.org ?
Dec 28 20:57:29 <Khertan> re
Dec 28 20:58:36 <bigup> Yes Khertan
Dec 28 20:58:48 <Khertan> :)
Dec 28 20:59:13 <bigup>  ;)
Dec 28 20:59:37 <bigup> I  just installed gaim to use irc
Dec 28 20:59:55 <Khertan> you should try pidgin instead of gaim
Dec 28 21:00:24 <bigup> I meant pidgin... Old reflex
Dec 28 21:00:24 <Khertan> Gaim has change his name to pidgin
Dec 28 21:12:28 <e-squizo> any gstreamer-on-maemo gurus out there?
Dec 28 21:13:14 <e-squizo> I was so glad I had figured out a simple way to get my N800 to emit a sinusoidal wave using the audiotestsrc source...
Dec 28 21:13:29 <e-squizo> it looks like it's not incuded in maemo?
Dec 28 21:13:55 <pauliukas> Hello chaps.
Dec 28 21:14:15 <pauliukas> What's the status on OS2007/2008 on the 770. I have a 770 and am getting bored of OS 2006.
Dec 28 21:24:48 <Khertan> http://docs.python.org/lib/module-wave.html
Dec 28 21:25:37 <sk> peace, im outtie
Dec 28 21:36:32 <jeff1f> pauliukas, I don't think there will be
Dec 28 21:45:20 <sibbe> anyone using ccache inside scratchbox or sb2?
Dec 28 21:48:36 <sibbe> e-squizo, gstreamer0.10-plugins-base-extra package?
Dec 28 21:49:00 <e-squizo> sibbe: let me check..
Dec 28 21:53:24 <pauliukas> jeff1f, 2008 probably not. But what about 2007.
Dec 28 21:53:40 <pauliukas> I recall seeing a wiki entry, but it does little explaining on how to upgrade.
Dec 28 21:54:30 <blackd0t> sibbe: Did you manage to compile the 2.6.21 without any compiler errors? I tried fixing the errors myself, but the n800 won't boot with that kernel after I removed some functions for rx-44 which is obviously for n810 which I didn't need
Dec 28 21:56:26 <sibbe> blackd0t, yeah it went just fine.. i just enabled the process accounting and some other small stuff
Dec 28 22:00:21 <blackd0t> sibbe: That's weird. I keep getting errors in omap2_mcspi.c and board-n800-camera.c and few other files
Dec 28 22:00:50 <blackd0t> All seem to be related to undefined functions
Dec 28 22:01:04 * Mousey huggles missing .h files
Dec 28 22:01:11 <blackd0t> I think that they may've made this kernel more compatible with n810 than n800
Dec 28 22:02:04 <blackd0t> I can't compile it even when running with default n800_defconfig
Dec 28 22:02:35 <sibbe> i used the foo_242_bar config file
Dec 28 22:02:40 <sibbe> 2420
Dec 28 22:02:53 <blackd0t> Ahh the nokia one, ok I'll try that. Maybe this is the key
Dec 28 22:05:01 <sibbe> maybe the n800_defconfig is/was for OS2007?
Dec 28 22:05:18 <blackd0t> I do have OS2007 still
Dec 28 22:05:23 <sibbe> oh..
Dec 28 22:05:26 <sibbe> weird then
Dec 28 22:05:29 <blackd0t> You meant OS2006?
Dec 28 22:05:33 <sibbe> nope
Dec 28 22:06:00 <sibbe> i'm using chinook sdk, os2008
Dec 28 22:06:48 <sibbe> the kernel source urls given here were for chinook
Dec 28 22:07:01 <blackd0t> Right, I'm using chinook as well
Dec 28 22:07:17 <blackd0t> But chinook is not for OS2008 only?
Dec 28 22:07:33 <sibbe> i'm not sure about that
Dec 28 22:07:53 <blackd0t> Well it shouldn't matter. It should still compile with no problems.
Dec 28 22:08:17 <sibbe> that's true
Dec 28 22:08:38 <sibbe> http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/howto_kernel_guide_bora.html yeah this tells to use bora and n800_config
Dec 28 22:09:24 <blackd0t> Ok, it's for different kernel version though
Dec 28 22:09:49 <blackd0t> So I think you're right that I should try the other defconfig file which they used in 4.x tutorial
Dec 28 22:10:03 <e-squizo> sibbe: it worked! thanks!
Dec 28 22:12:31 <blackd0t> Ok I think that did they job, I saw that it parsed the board-n800-camera.c file correctly now :)
Dec 28 22:12:34 <sibbe> there really should be packages.ubuntu.com / packages.debian.org clone for maemo repositories...
Dec 28 22:12:44 <blackd0t> Exactly
Dec 28 22:14:35 <Mousey> agreed
Dec 28 22:14:38 <Mousey> and beryl
Dec 28 22:14:41 <Mousey> j/k
Dec 28 22:14:58 <Mousey> *ahem* i meant compiz-fusion..
Dec 28 22:15:03 <Mousey> too late, joke ruined
Dec 28 22:15:06 <blackd0t> Hah, I remember when used slackware few years ago and I had to install EVERYTHING from sources. That was hell ;)
Dec 28 22:15:07 * Mousey shuts the heck up
Dec 28 22:18:49 <blackd0t> sibbi: Do you usually test the new kernel image on n800 with the flasher before actually flashing the device?
Dec 28 22:20:15 <sibbe> blackd0t, no.. but i've flashed the kernel only twice or so
Dec 28 22:21:23 <sibbe> hmm.. oh! the flasher utility has kernel command line option
Dec 28 22:21:50 <blackd0t> I see, the compilation worked with no problems, I tested the new kernel with the test feature and the progress bar went to 100%, pause for few seconds and reboot
Dec 28 22:21:53 <sibbe>  --boot, -b [arg]              Boot the kernel with optional cmdline
Dec 28 22:22:07 <blackd0t> So I don't know if that's the test function that is broken or the kernel image
Dec 28 22:22:41 <sibbe> well i guess that the kernel just won't work with os2007
Dec 28 22:23:19 <blackd0t> Ah, that sucks :/
Dec 28 22:23:43 <blackd0t> I'm afraid switch to os2008 as I fear that kismet won't work that well
Dec 28 22:24:06 <blackd0t> I read on forums that people are having real problems with running kismet for longer than 3 minutes and on my config it works great
Dec 28 22:24:15 <e-squizo> sibbe: which sink does one use instead of alsasink (which also seems to be unavailable?)
Dec 28 22:24:34 <blackd0t> Is it worth to upgrade os2007 to os2008?
Dec 28 22:26:27 <sibbe> e-squizo dunno.. only used gstreamer on x86. try gst-inspect0.10 | grep sink (or gst-inspect) on the commandline?
Dec 28 22:27:01 <sibbe> there's no aisleriot yet on os2008...
Dec 28 22:27:18 <sibbe> scummvm works tho :))
Dec 28 22:27:37 <blackd0t> :) I guess I'll install maemo 3.2 then
Dec 28 22:28:20 <blackd0t> But if I compiled the 2.6.18 kernel with maemo 4.0 it should be fine as well
Dec 28 22:28:35 <blackd0t> sibbe: Do you know where I can find it?
Dec 28 22:28:35 <sibbe> yeah i think so
Dec 28 22:28:48 <blackd0t> I tried searching for it, but with no luck
Dec 28 22:28:57 <sibbe> try the same url and change chinook -> bora? :)
Dec 28 22:29:15 * Mousey is sad and just wants xchat
Dec 28 22:29:20 <Mousey> [and freeciv and wesnoth[
Dec 28 22:29:21 <Mousey> ]
Dec 28 22:29:46 <sibbe> http://repository.maemo.org/pool/bora/free/source/kernel-source-*
Dec 28 22:29:54 <blackd0t> Hah, ok found it :) It was hidden among other apps :)
Dec 28 22:30:07 <blackd0t> Funny because I looked here before ;)
Dec 28 22:30:08 <sibbe> the directory layout seems to be a bit different
Dec 28 22:38:24 <K`zan_n800> Appl,ications are stored in / right?  If so I am at 73%.  Would be nice if that would use the SD card.
Dec 28 22:39:37 <dospod> yea it would be
Dec 28 22:40:21 <K`zan_n800> Not sure what the point og huge SD cards is, really :-).
Dec 28 22:40:57 <K`zan_n800> Maemo mapper uses the internal for maps I think, so that helps.
Dec 28 22:41:37 <K`zan_n800> Gonna order one of the 8G cards anyway, I think.
Dec 28 22:41:57 <dospod> i only got 2 2gig cards
Dec 28 22:42:10 <K`zan_n800> And get rid of a dozen of the media players :-).
Dec 28 22:43:01 <K`zan_n800> 4G Internal and 1G external here.  Robbed my camera :-).
Dec 28 22:43:37 <K`zan_n800> And, I think some of the games, most of them are work rather than fun anyway.
Dec 28 22:44:31 <dospod> yea
Dec 28 22:44:44 <pauliukas> I hate you N800 people :-P
Dec 28 22:44:50 <pauliukas> I'm here stuck with a 770.
Dec 28 22:45:03 <pauliukas> I'm using the 64MB MMC that cae with it, no SD port either.
Dec 28 22:45:42 <K`zan_n800> LOL, I *almost* went with thre 770, the n800 has no protection.
Dec 28 22:46:08 <K`zan_n800> Only thing that killed it was the RSD cards.
Dec 28 22:46:34 <K`zan_n800> Still not entirely sure I did the right thing.
Dec 28 22:46:44 <pauliukas> What?
Dec 28 22:47:22 <K`zan_n800> Maybe if the apps catch up, the repositories get fixed and 2008 gets stable...
Dec 28 22:48:04 <K`zan_n800> I'm sticking with ffhe original 2008 for a while.
Dec 28 22:48:33 <K`zan_n800> pauliukas: The reduced size SD cards.
Dec 28 22:49:09 <pauliukas> yeah, that stuff.
Dec 28 22:49:13 <K`zan_n800> Expensive, small and hard to find :-(.
Dec 28 22:49:30 <K`zan_n800> So I went with the n800...
Dec 28 22:50:02 <K`zan_n800> Still looking for a case I like for this.
Dec 28 22:50:19 <pauliukas> It doesn't have a metal cover thing like the 770?'
Dec 28 22:50:20 <K`zan_n800> Used the one it came with for my glasses :-).
Dec 28 22:50:35 <K`zan_n800> Nope, no protection at all.
Dec 28 22:50:44 <pauliukas> oh wow that's sad.
Dec 28 22:50:53 <K`zan_n800> Main reason it stays here on the desk with the BT keyboard.
Dec 28 22:50:54 <pauliukas> I carry my 770 with me all the time and I love the metal screen cover.
Dec 28 22:51:04 <K`zan_n800> Envy...
Dec 28 22:51:06 <pauliukas> Mine is so abused that it looks like brushed alluminum.
Dec 28 22:51:20 <pauliukas> Hey man, you got twice the RAM I got and a 100MHz faster processor.
Dec 28 22:51:34 <K`zan_n800> That and no PIM I can sync to anything useful to me, so I keep lugging the palm :-(.
Dec 28 22:51:51 <pauliukas> I use the... I don't know how's it called.
Dec 28 22:51:53 <K`zan_n800> Yep, it does have that.
Dec 28 22:51:58 <pauliukas> They got a Palm emulator too
Dec 28 22:52:06 <K`zan_n800> @ SD card slots too.
Dec 28 22:52:36 <pauliukas> I'm waiting for BT keyboards to drop prices though.
Dec 28 22:52:45 <pauliukas> I think I'll be getting one when it will reach lower prices.
Dec 28 22:52:46 <K`zan_n800> Garnet sucks overall, but it is something.  Can only sync through the net to wincrap, which I don't use.
Dec 28 22:53:08 <K`zan_n800> Still, I love the beast :-)p.
Dec 28 22:53:40 <K`zan_n800> And am still getting used to the BT keyboard :-)
Dec 28 22:54:18 <pauliukas> Yeah, it's crazy.
Dec 28 22:55:03 <pauliukas> The 770 is probably my 2nd best buy of my life.
Dec 28 22:55:10 <pauliukas> 1st being my iMac, and 3rd being my ebook reader
Dec 28 22:55:13 <Palintheus> the igo/think outside keyboard is getting very affordable from amazon
Dec 28 22:55:24 <pauliukas> Palintheus, I'm in Canada. Amazon only sells books here.
Dec 28 22:55:29 * Palintheus nods
Dec 28 22:55:38 <pauliukas> I've talked with people that have found BT keyboards on Amazon for like $30
Dec 28 22:55:42 <Palintheus> yup
Dec 28 22:55:45 <pauliukas> The cheapest I saw here at the stores was like $199
Dec 28 22:55:50 <Palintheus> gah!
Dec 28 22:55:58 <pauliukas> Gah is the correct reaction.
Dec 28 22:56:28 <K`zan_n800> pauliukas: That is the one I have, not as nice as the one for the old plam c3, but decent enough.
Dec 28 22:56:58 <K`zan_n800> For $30 it is quite nice.
Dec 28 22:57:05 <pauliukas> heh, I betcha.
Dec 28 22:57:27 <pauliukas> It would also be amazing to find a BT keyboard that would fit in my pocket.
Dec 28 22:57:36 <pauliukas> I could have the 770 and keyboard always with me.
Dec 28 22:57:41 <pauliukas> That's like having a laptop at all time.
Dec 28 22:57:49 <pauliukas> Way more attractive than the eeepc or a real laaptop
Dec 28 22:58:17 <K`zan_n800> Amazon shipped the first one via DHL to the other side of the country (I'm in scabattle) and then back and then dropped it in USPS where it seems to have disappeared.
Dec 28 22:58:36 <pauliukas> well that's intelligent.
Dec 28 22:58:50 <K`zan_n800> ATo their credit, the shipped again 2 day and I got that one.'
Dec 28 22:58:59 <pauliukas> neat.
Dec 28 22:59:05 <K`zan_n800> Stupid as hell...
Dec 28 22:59:13 <pauliukas> I know that Amazon also has that plan so that everything is 2 day shipping. that's amazing.
Dec 28 22:59:23 <pauliukas> Really a shame that Amazon is nothing in Canada compared to the US.
Dec 28 23:00:03 <K`zan_n800> All the other stuff I ordered from folks selling through them from all over the country was here for a week or two before the second one from Amazon made it.
Dec 28 23:00:16 <pauliukas> k
Dec 28 23:00:22 <K`zan_n800> But all is well that ends well :-).
Dec 28 23:00:44 <K`zan_n800> Dunno if I will order from them again though.
Dec 28 23:01:21 <K`zan_n800> But in this case even wtih the aggrivation, the price was right !
Dec 28 23:01:24 <pauliukas> If not, there's always Newegg for electronic stuff.
Dec 28 23:01:37 <pauliukas> Did it at least come with a pouch like the 770?
Dec 28 23:01:38 <K`zan_n800> Yep, that is where I get most of my stuff.
Dec 28 23:02:18 <K`zan_n800> Yeah, I think the got a deal on old glasses cases, it is exactly like a real cheap glasses case.
Dec 28 23:02:58 <pauliukas> Wait a second... You have a glases case that are as big as the 800?
Dec 28 23:03:03 <pauliukas> Glases for a giant or what?
Dec 28 23:03:07 <K`zan_n800> Sucks, n800 will fall out of it easily.  Got a PSP softcase which is FAR better, but Not happy with it.
Dec 28 23:03:16 <blackd0t> sibbi: 2.6.18 with the NAT fix works like a charm. iptables works now with no problems. Thanks for all help! :)
Dec 28 23:03:38 <sibbe> blackd0t, nice
Dec 28 23:03:45 <K`zan_n800> No, I can and have put my glasses in it - those don't fall out.
Dec 28 23:03:48 <dospod> i wish we got bash
Dec 28 23:04:05 <K`zan_n800> Yeah, but compared to ash, bash is HUGE.
Dec 28 23:04:06 <pauliukas> I need to find a way to kil ltime.
Dec 28 23:04:20 <pauliukas> I'm downloading a game and my Internet here is awefully slow.
Dec 28 23:04:32 <K`zan_n800> You could beat on the chess game until it blows up :-0.
Dec 28 23:04:35 <dospod> still would be nice for bash
Dec 28 23:04:43 <K`zan_n800> Yes, it would
Dec 28 23:05:03 <K`zan_n800> Had to change all my scripts, so far they all work.
Dec 28 23:05:29 <K`zan_n800> #!//bin/ash
Dec 28 23:05:48 <pauliukas> I actually never learned how to play chess.
Dec 28 23:06:05 <Lateralus> is there no way to make one .install file that will work for OS2007 as well as OS2008? the structure seems to have changed.
Dec 28 23:09:12 <K`zan_n800> Apparently not...
Dec 28 23:09:18 <pauliukas> heh
Dec 28 23:09:50 <K`zan_n800> Still not sure about apps for the new 2008 either.  Very confusing mess :-/.
Dec 28 23:12:32 <|R> maybe bora3 and bora4 ?
Dec 28 23:22:37 <pauliukas> 1.5mbit is such a pain :-(
Dec 28 23:22:42 <pauliukas> Need... to... kill... time....
Dec 28 23:24:44 <K`zan_n800> LOL, remember 300 baud dialup...
Dec 28 23:25:33 <pauliukas> I remember 33k and how amazing it was.
Dec 28 23:25:46 <pauliukas> Although, when downloading 4GB worth of stuff, I forget everything
Dec 28 23:25:52 <tsavola> who wants my 56k modem?
Dec 28 23:25:58 <pauliukas> Not me.
Dec 28 23:27:48 <tsavola> pauliukas: i first though you're from .fi because "liukas" mean slippery and "pauli" is the finnish version of "paul"
Dec 28 23:28:05 <tsavola> so, slippery pauli
Dec 28 23:28:11 <pauliukas> tsavola, I'm actually Lithuanian. Paulius is the lithuanian version of Paul.
Dec 28 23:28:13 <tsavola> but i guess that's not it
Dec 28 23:28:25 <pauliukas> But then, Paulius was a taken nick on Freenode, Pauliukas is kinda the small form of Paulius.
Dec 28 23:28:35 <tsavola> ok :)
Dec 28 23:28:43 <pauliukas> And so here I am, lol.
Dec 28 23:35:16 <benno2> hi, anyone know if the n810 is already available in europe ?
Dec 28 23:50:44 <cosmo_> benno2: yes it is in shops
Dec 28 23:51:08 <benno2> trying to get it from germany in january
Dec 28 23:51:32 <benno2> basically the n810 is like an n800 with gps ?
Dec 28 23:51:45 <cosmo_> and keyboard
Dec 28 23:52:09 <benno2> yes
Dec 28 23:52:18 <benno2> but the price difference is still high 250$ vs 400$
Dec 28 23:53:04 <|R> n810 should be 300
Dec 28 23:53:15 <benno2> usd ?
Dec 28 23:53:47 <|R> yeah
Dec 28 23:54:02 <|R> It would sell more devices, let nokia have a bigger market, ... it's still only the 3rd generation
Dec 28 23:54:04 <pauliukas> N810 is a nice thing, but N800 is way better.
Dec 28 23:54:34 <|R> the miniSD/2GB slot really is a bad idea...
Dec 28 23:55:54 <astro76> the n810 really seems to be focused to the in-car navigation market
Dec 28 23:56:08 <astro76> esp. cosidering the 2GB soldered in flash
Dec 29 00:01:48 <tsavola> i don't think it's focused to any navigation market, the gps chip is just there to expand the feature list
Dec 29 00:07:14 <astro76> plus there's the nice car mount
Dec 29 00:09:16 <kbsingh> astro76: 'nice'.... have you actually got a n810 ?
Dec 29 00:09:27 <kbsingh> the car mount is a pain to get the device into and out of
Dec 29 00:09:41 <kbsingh> and the only way to get the mount in there, is to screw it into the dash board
Dec 29 00:09:46 <astro76> no an n800, and yeah I remembered the thread I read about that after I typed it
Dec 29 00:10:01 <kbsingh> not nice if you have a nice dash and would rather prefer the suction cup idea that pretty much everyone else in the world has been using for a few years now
Dec 29 00:10:34 <kbsingh> also, for me ( SE London, UK area ) the n810 takes between 10 - 18 minutes to get position sync
Dec 29 00:10:45 <kbsingh> compared to about 22 - 24 seconds for the TomTom
Dec 29 00:10:59 <kbsingh> so i'd say the gps thing is mostly just something to add as a feature
Dec 29 00:11:00 <astro76> I never implied the n810 was going to be a success in the navigation market ;)
Dec 29 00:15:18 <jig> hi people
Dec 29 00:15:29 <jig> anyone here?
Dec 29 00:16:47 <K`zan_n800> Speaking of which anyone know how to get maemo mapper to orient track up?
Dec 29 00:16:59 <|R> setting
Dec 29 00:17:13 <|R> on the right side of some tab (can't remember)
Dec 29 00:17:20 <|R> you have a drop down menu
Dec 29 00:17:29 <jig> im thinking on buying a used nokia 770
Dec 29 00:18:01 <jig> my friend is asking me for 150€ but i think its too much
Dec 29 00:18:12 <jig> it seems a little bit slow
Dec 29 00:18:30 <jig> does anyone know if it will support os2008^?
Dec 29 00:18:31 <|R> considering you can get something twice better for 200...
Dec 29 00:18:36 <|R> that is still supported...
Dec 29 00:18:58 <jig> |R: u are referring to n800,right?
Dec 29 00:19:04 <|R> yep
Dec 29 00:20:02 <jig> |R:the last version i find to download is os2006 from nokia.is it stable enough and good enough to run smoothly on the device?
Dec 29 00:20:19 <|R> there is also 2007 Hackers Edition... but i never had a 770
Dec 29 00:20:43 <jig> seems kind of sluggish
Dec 29 00:20:53 <astro76> it is slower than the n8x0
Dec 29 00:21:08 <astro76> and quite a waste of money at this point, just get an n800
Dec 29 00:21:43 <kbsingh> jig: play.com had the n800 for £129
Dec 29 00:22:02 <kbsingh> not sure if that deal is still on, but when it was - its the best nokia tablet deal
Dec 29 00:22:34 <kbsingh> still there
Dec 29 00:22:35 <|R> damn, you guys in europe get screwed a lot
Dec 29 00:22:37 <kbsingh> http://www.play.com/Mobiles/Mobile/4-/3299981/-/Product.html?searchstring=n800&searchsource=0
Dec 29 00:22:44 <kbsingh> |R: thanks
Dec 29 00:22:45 <jig> yes we do:-)
Dec 29 00:22:50 <|R> haha :)
Dec 29 00:23:29 <kbsingh> btw, for those who are in the .uk
Dec 29 00:23:49 <kbsingh> three.co.uk has a payg deal, £5/month for 2gigs of downloads at 3g speeds
Dec 29 00:24:17 <kbsingh> i get between 80 - 120k/sec on there..not sure if its the device b/w limit or thats all on offer over 3g in my area
Dec 29 00:25:10 <pauliukas> kbsingh, I believe that it depends on how many people are using the b/w at once in your area.
Dec 29 00:25:22 <jig> |R: and nokia has officially discontinued support for n770?
Dec 29 00:25:23 <kbsingh> pauliukas: yea, i'd guess so.
Dec 29 00:25:44 <pauliukas> As in, they get a pipe to the cell tower and it's shared to everyone.
Dec 29 00:26:20 <kbsingh> well, as long as i get >= 20kb/sec I am mostly happy on the move
Dec 29 00:26:30 <astro76> jig, correct, the 770 is no longer supported
Dec 29 00:26:35 <kbsingh> most of what i need is email and irc and a couple of ssh sessions
Dec 29 00:27:49 <jig> astro: but i can still get some software for it such as pidgeon and vnc,etc for OS2006,right?
Dec 29 00:28:12 <benno2> but why 10min to get sync ? this is a joke
Dec 29 00:28:27 <|R> jig: yep, check garage.maemo.org
Dec 29 00:28:31 <astro76> jig, there is also OS2007 hacker edition
Dec 29 00:28:37 <benno2> how does nokia hope to make any sales to people looking for a tomtom replacement
Dec 29 00:29:49 <jig> |R: tks
Dec 29 00:30:36 <pauliukas> astro76, How can I install hacker edition?
Dec 29 00:30:47 <pauliukas> I've been trying to ask people here and they all keep replying that I can't.
Dec 29 00:30:49 <kbsingh> benno2: you know something odd, 10 min is no problem - atleast for me
Dec 29 00:31:04 <kbsingh> i know the roads around where i live, and dont normally need navigational aid in the immediate area :D
Dec 29 00:31:07 <kbsingh> but yes, kinda irritating
Dec 29 00:31:34 <astro76> pauliukas, dunno, I don't have one
Dec 29 00:31:36 <benno2> I see, so basically you can program your route and just drive away having your n810 coming up after 10min ?
Dec 29 00:32:03 <jig> astro76: os2007 he is installed in it right now and it seems kinda sluggish.i was hoping that with os2006 original would be smoother. i wouldnt mind having less eye.candy
Dec 29 00:32:41 <astro76> jig, I wouldn't expect it to be faster with 2006
Dec 29 00:33:02 <astro76> jig, the real problem is slower CPU and half the RAM
Dec 29 00:33:28 <fugitivo> I have the same issue
Dec 29 00:33:38 <pauliukas> come on people.
Dec 29 00:33:41 <fugitivo> using 2007 HE and thinking about installing os 2006 again
Dec 29 00:33:47 <pauliukas> Its a bloody computer in the palm of your hand.
Dec 29 00:33:53 <pauliukas> How fast do you want it to be.
Dec 29 00:34:15 <fugitivo> we know the 770 is not fast, but at least i want it stable
Dec 29 00:34:24 <fugitivo> with os 2007 HE is far from being stable
Dec 29 00:34:27 <pauliukas> Which is why I want 2007 HE
Dec 29 00:34:33 <pauliukas> Opera on 2006 is always crashing on mee
Dec 29 00:34:46 <fugitivo> well, it keeps crashing
Dec 29 00:35:00 <fugitivo> the problem with the browser is the low memory of the device
Dec 29 00:35:11 <jig> :-(
Dec 29 00:35:26 <kbsingh> benno2: hang on a min :D
Dec 29 00:35:29 <fugitivo> some sites takes all memory and crashes the browser (or reboot the device)
Dec 29 00:35:30 <|tbb|> anyone familar with x forwarding?
Dec 29 00:35:35 <kbsingh> benno2: you _cant_ program navigation on the n810
Dec 29 00:35:37 <kbsingh> you get maps
Dec 29 00:35:38 <pauliukas> kinda
Dec 29 00:35:46 <kbsingh> and you get a gpsd talking gps
Dec 29 00:35:54 <kbsingh> you dont get navigational and routing s/w
Dec 29 00:35:57 <kbsingh> thats $$$$ more
Dec 29 00:36:13 <benno2> kbsingh: yes I mean in conjunction with the voice enabled navigation
Dec 29 00:36:15 <jig> so cpu is lower and so is the ram
Dec 29 00:36:16 <jig> bummer
Dec 29 00:36:28 <pauliukas> jig, 770 is 216MHz with 64MB RAM
Dec 29 00:36:38 <fugitivo> |tbb|: what do you need?
Dec 29 00:36:40 <pauliukas> n800 is 300-something MHz and 128MB RAM
Dec 29 00:36:49 <astro76> n800 is 400 MHz with os2008
Dec 29 00:36:59 <pauliukas> I use my 770 daily and it's fast enoug
Dec 29 00:37:10 <jig> uff...its a big difference
Dec 29 00:37:13 <fugitivo> jig: the difference between the 770 and n800 is BIG
Dec 29 00:37:14 <benno2> astro76: can this mhz boot on os2008 be felt in the real world ?
Dec 29 00:37:24 <astro76> benno2, oh yeah
Dec 29 00:37:25 <jig> pauliukas: what do you use it for?
Dec 29 00:37:35 <fugitivo> jig: I have the 770 and when I use my friend's n800 I feel in heaven :)
Dec 29 00:37:44 <pauliukas> jig, Web browsing, PIM, SSH, note taking and as a clock
Dec 29 00:37:51 <pauliukas> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N800
Dec 29 00:37:56 <pauliukas> 330 MHz TI OMAP 2420
Dec 29 00:38:01 <benno2> astro76: did you test vnc on os2008 ? is it fast ?
Dec 29 00:38:06 <astro76> pauliukas, it's underclocked to 330
Dec 29 00:38:07 <pauliukas> Paulius:1      astro76: 0
Dec 29 00:38:16 <pauliukas> Is there a way to overclock?
Dec 29 00:38:26 <astro76> pauliukas, it's set to 400 by just running os2008
Dec 29 00:38:26 <pauliukas> Without doing damage or heat or something?
Dec 29 00:38:30 <hugolp> pauliukas:  OS2008 sets the processor to 400Mhz
Dec 29 00:38:33 <astro76> it's the same processor as the n810
Dec 29 00:38:37 <astro76> exactly
Dec 29 00:38:37 <pauliukas> oh okay.
Dec 29 00:38:43 <pauliukas> So why is it set to 330 in the 1st place?
Dec 29 00:38:49 <pauliukas> Heat? Battery life? Stability?
Dec 29 00:38:54 <astro76> they felt the power management improved to allow enabling the faster speed is all
Dec 29 00:38:55 <hugolp> pauliukas:  ask nokia
Dec 29 00:38:56 <jig> fugitivo: so is it allways sluggish no matter the OS?
Dec 29 00:38:59 <astro76> without impacting battery life
Dec 29 00:39:33 <astro76> pauliukas, yes, just battery life
Dec 29 00:39:57 <pauliukas> But how much does it impact?
Dec 29 00:39:58 <kbsingh> jig: I've been using claws-mail for a few days, and thats not really sluggish at all
Dec 29 00:40:01 <pauliukas> Not a lot or lot?
Dec 29 00:40:06 <kbsingh> and i get a lot of email, like 800 - 1200 / day
Dec 29 00:40:28 <pauliukas> wow.
Dec 29 00:40:28 <fugitivo> jig: that depends, you can't use it with a lot of programs at the same time
Dec 29 00:40:29 <astro76> pauliukas, well, battery life seems the same, but it seems a lot snappier with os2008, so two thumbs up ;)
Dec 29 00:40:41 <pauliukas> Hah. Stupid nokians
Dec 29 00:41:12 <pauliukas> I really want to see the meeting where they went "If you made the device 2 times slower, we could gain 10 minutes of battery"
Dec 29 00:41:17 <pauliukas> And someone had to go "hmmmm"
Dec 29 00:41:50 <tsavola> err, it's a mobile device
Dec 29 00:42:02 <tsavola> it's not even a laptop
Dec 29 00:42:05 <astro76> well 330 vs 400 is not 2 times slower
Dec 29 00:42:09 <astro76> but yeah, battery life is king
Dec 29 00:42:32 <fugitivo> i think n800 and n810 cpu power and ram is enough
Dec 29 00:42:39 <fugitivo> 770 isn't
Dec 29 00:43:00 <pauliukas> My 770 works wonderfully.
Dec 29 00:43:05 <benno2> is it normal that the nokia 2006 updater for the n770 (on windows) tells me required time to install : 2h.  is seems to download the image from the internet first and the network monitor seems to show 16KB/sec, though I haver 2Mbit
Dec 29 00:43:07 <pauliukas> You people are just simply spoiled.
Dec 29 00:43:23 <astro76> pauliukas, we are definitely ;)
Dec 29 00:43:23 <tsavola> i like my core2duo
Dec 29 00:43:26 <fugitivo> pauliukas: did you try the n800?
Dec 29 00:43:31 <pauliukas> benno2, Probably overloaded server or living too far from the server.
Dec 29 00:43:33 <astro76> and the 770 is by no means worthless, but I wouldn't buy one now
Dec 29 00:43:33 <pauliukas> fugitivo, No.
Dec 29 00:43:33 <tsavola> both 770 and n800 are slow
Dec 29 00:43:52 <fugitivo> pauliukas: well, it's a BIG difference :)
Dec 29 00:44:18 <fugitivo> 770 screen is not as sensitive as n800, speed in the 770 is really slow
Dec 29 00:44:39 <fugitivo> tsavola: n800 is ok
Dec 29 00:44:51 <benno2> how is the video performance of the n800. I heard the video bandwidth is less than the one of the n770 ?
Dec 29 00:45:16 <tsavola> my gf preferred 770 to n800 for web browsing, but i think it was partially due to the number of crashes
Dec 29 00:45:20 <astro76> benno2, supposedly there's an issue with >25 fps, not sure really
Dec 29 00:45:31 <astro76> seems perfect to me if I encode within 400x240 window
Dec 29 00:45:32 <jig> can i see divx in 770?
Dec 29 00:45:37 <pauliukas> no
Dec 29 00:45:41 <astro76> jig, give it up :p
Dec 29 00:45:42 <pauliukas> And probably not in 800 either
Dec 29 00:45:48 <pauliukas> Divx takes too much processing power.
Dec 29 00:45:51 <astro76> sure it works with mplayer
Dec 29 00:45:54 <benno2> astro76: 400x240 should be watchable, isn't it ?
Dec 29 00:46:07 <pauliukas> Just get an iPod touch or the ipod video
Dec 29 00:46:14 <astro76> benno2, it is, I use 400x240 xvid/divx with mplayer
Dec 29 00:46:18 <astro76> it's perfect
Dec 29 00:46:21 <fugitivo> it's an internet tablet, not multimedia tablet :)
Dec 29 00:46:36 <benno2> astro76: and you use 770encode.pl ?
Dec 29 00:46:41 <benno2> to make the videos
Dec 29 00:46:42 <astro76> it's wonderful for multimedia, why label? :p
Dec 29 00:46:43 <pauliukas> Stupid sluggish Internet. Download only 49% done!
Dec 29 00:46:53 <astro76> benno2, just mencoder by hand so far ;)
Dec 29 00:47:07 <tsavola> fugitivo: actually afair it was advertised as a multimedia device
Dec 29 00:47:20 <benno2> astro76: still wondering what are the best parameters. assuming you want best quality. filesize does not matter
Dec 29 00:47:27 <fugitivo> tsavola: really? when?
Dec 29 00:47:36 <tsavola> fugitivo: back when 770 was launched
Dec 29 00:47:46 <tsavola> fugitivo: at least that's the impression i got
Dec 29 00:47:47 <fugitivo> tsavola: are you sure? i don't remember that
Dec 29 00:47:48 <pauliukas> Multimedia as in MP3 player.
Dec 29 00:47:54 <tsavola> multimedia as in video
Dec 29 00:47:55 <pauliukas> And web radio
Dec 29 00:47:59 <astro76> benno2, it seems that as long as you are within 400x240, you can leave the framerate the same, and the video bitrate can be way more than necessary with no problems
Dec 29 00:48:42 <fugitivo> all advertisement i saw was web browsing, chat and internet radio, everything else is a plus :)
Dec 29 00:48:43 <tsavola> anyway, i'll go to bed ->
Dec 29 00:49:14 <benno2> astro76: cool. as soon as I will get one I will play around with it.
Dec 29 00:49:29 <astro76> benno2,example for a 16/9 aspect video at 23.98 fps: mencoder $FILENAME -oac mp3lame -lameopts cbr:br=128 -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:aspect=16/9:keyint=250:vbitrate=768:vpass=1 -vf scale=400:224 -idx -ffourcc DX50 -ofps 23.98 -o ${BASENAME}.tablet.avi
Dec 29 00:49:50 <jig> astro: sorry,just wanted to be sure
Dec 29 00:49:52 <astro76> one key is using cbr for the mp3 audio
Dec 29 00:49:54 <jig> before saying no
Dec 29 00:49:58 <benno2> astro76: thanks. saving the cmdline opts to a file :)
Dec 29 00:49:58 <astro76> keeps the audio/video synced
Dec 29 00:51:15 <astro76> this applies to pcs, not just tablets
Dec 29 00:54:46 <fugitivo> anyone waiting for n810 discount codes?
Dec 29 00:55:26 <jig> ok,one more:-)
Dec 29 00:55:38 <jig> 2008 hackers edition could be considered stable?
Dec 29 00:55:39 <kbsingh> fugitivo: I dont mind one, if you have one to spare
Dec 29 00:55:50 <astro76> jig, I don't think there is such a thing
Dec 29 00:55:59 <jig> sorry
Dec 29 00:56:01 <jig> i meant 2007
Dec 29 00:56:05 <fugitivo> jig: hacker edition != stable
Dec 29 00:56:09 <jig> im typing in the dark :-)
Dec 29 00:56:43 <sp3000> holy crap, I'm getting all sorts of credible debs from the regular repository foo
Dec 29 00:59:13 <jig> ok...so i have a conclusion
Dec 29 00:59:15 <sp3000> meh, http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/chinook/non-free/binary-armel/Packages.gz is still broken for me
Dec 29 00:59:18 <kbsingh> anyone care to shed light on whats the diff between a class 2, a class 4 and a class 6 minishdc 4gb card from kingston
Dec 29 00:59:20 <jig> thanks alot for your help
Dec 29 00:59:34 * sp3000 holds back on calling it fixed or any such hasty conclusions
Dec 29 00:59:57 <jig> :-)
Dec 29 01:00:07 <jig> 150€ is alot of money for n770
Dec 29 01:00:15 <astro76> kbsingh, the class numbering is the minimum write speed in MB/s
Dec 29 01:00:25 <steri> does n800 support 16gb cards?
Dec 29 01:00:42 <astro76> I think it should
Dec 29 01:00:55 <legind> steri, not officially, officially it supports SD cards, not SDHC, so <= 2GB
Dec 29 01:00:56 <kbsingh> the n810 specs seem to say 8gb max
Dec 29 01:01:08 <astro76> officially OS2008 does support SDHC
Dec 29 01:01:13 <legind> oh fo real?
Dec 29 01:01:14 <kbsingh> and > 2 gb needs SDHC
Dec 29 01:01:15 <legind> nice
Dec 29 01:01:17 <astro76> indeed
Dec 29 01:01:25 * jig offers a glass with fine port wine to all participants in the conversation
Dec 29 01:01:35 <astro76> but I've only seen 8GB mentioned, probably because no one could test with 16GB cards
Dec 29 01:01:49 <astro76> the current SDHC spec goes up to 16GB
Dec 29 01:02:03 <steri> I'm getting 2 16g in couple weeks :P 25 euros each
Dec 29 01:02:15 <kbsingh> steri: where from ?
Dec 29 01:02:19 <astro76> I just got another 8gb with a nice rebate
Dec 29 01:02:43 <steri> kbsingh: china
Dec 29 01:02:47 <kbsingh> pass
Dec 29 01:02:49 <kbsingh> :D
Dec 29 01:02:53 <astro76> hehe yeah
Dec 29 01:02:56 <legind> how much do 8gb sdhc cost
Dec 29 01:03:00 <steri> It's from co-worker relative etc
Dec 29 01:03:02 <legind> on average, usd
Dec 29 01:03:38 <astro76> legind, I have two of these http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820208293
Dec 29 01:03:58 <legind> wow thats hella cheap
Dec 29 01:04:50 <kbsingh> its double the price in the UK
Dec 29 01:05:01 <kbsingh> as in, its more expensive in the UK
Dec 29 01:13:36 <kbsingh> are all SDHC cards == miniSD ?
Dec 29 01:13:48 <kbsingh> or might i get stuck with a full size SD card that i cant use in the n810
Dec 29 01:14:10 <deejoe> I think there are SDHC cards that are full-sized
Dec 29 01:14:26 <astro76> SDHC is full sized like SD
Dec 29 01:14:35 <astro76> there's SDHC miniSDHC and microSDHC
Dec 29 01:14:41 <astro76> you should only buy microSDHC for the n810
Dec 29 01:14:48 <astro76> because miniSDHC is a dead format
Dec 29 01:15:00 <kbsingh> humm kingston using their web configurator, knows the n810 and gives me a SDHC as the best fit
Dec 29 01:15:04 <astro76> *with a miniSD adapter of course
Dec 29 01:15:22 <kbsingh> astro76: well, it cant be dead if it works in the device
Dec 29 01:15:38 <astro76> kbsingh, meaning no devices are going to be using it really anymore, phones are using micro
Dec 29 01:16:02 <astro76> there's not many models available and probably won't be
Dec 29 01:16:11 <kbsingh> fair enough
Dec 29 01:16:30 <kbsingh> btw, anyone have fuse working with os2008 ?
Dec 29 01:16:35 <kbsingh> be nice to get sshfs working
Dec 29 01:17:28 <astro76> haven't tried that yet
Dec 29 01:20:43 <bender183> hi
Dec 29 01:22:02 <deejoe> talk about dead formats: I got a camera that uses CF.  I found exactly one piece at each of two places I looked.
Dec 29 01:22:37 <astro76> high end cameras still use CF though don't they?
Dec 29 01:23:41 <astro76> yeah I guess not popular enough for local stores
Dec 29 01:25:37 <bender183> cf is still good for certain things =)
Dec 29 01:25:43 <bender183> like embedded devices
Dec 29 01:27:09 <astro76> yep, have one in my router
Dec 29 01:28:14 <bender183> yep me2
Dec 29 01:28:23 <bender183> other than that...useless
Dec 29 01:28:44 <bender183> im interested in seeing the minisd capacity pick up the pace now that i have the n810
Dec 29 01:29:50 <|R> i have a microSDHC 8GB -> topram micro->mini converter->nokia's mini->fullSD converter -> n800, that works :)
Dec 29 01:30:18 <bender183> nice
Dec 29 01:30:20 <|R> miniSDHC only goes up to 4GB :(
Dec 29 01:30:38 <|R> and i too think this is a dead end format...
Dec 29 01:30:40 <astro76> yep exactly
Dec 29 01:30:45 <bender183> im surprised more has not been invested in minisd
Dec 29 01:31:04 <|R> kind of pointless as device got too small to quick now
Dec 29 01:31:28 <astro76> and there's micro to mini adapters so it's  moot point
Dec 29 01:31:49 <|R> of course they could easily fit 16GB in a miniSD right now but they don't ... go figure
Dec 29 01:31:50 <bender183> =|
Dec 29 01:32:07 <bender183> yeah i wonder who is pulling the strings sometimes
Dec 29 01:32:11 <|R> (like they could release 32GB SDHC card ... but don't to make more money...)
Dec 29 01:32:13 <bender183> they dont make very good decsisions
Dec 29 01:32:36 <pauliukas> Because it's life.
Dec 29 01:32:39 <pauliukas> Same thing with RAM.
Dec 29 01:32:49 <pauliukas> In my computer, I have a 2GB DIMM of DDR2.
Dec 29 01:32:58 <pauliukas> A year ago, it costed $700! Now it costs $120
Dec 29 01:33:15 <pauliukas> The manufacturing date from my dimm is the same date as when it used to cost 700.
Dec 29 01:33:16 <|R> hehe
Dec 29 01:33:16 <pauliukas> Go figure.
Dec 29 01:33:35 <pauliukas> It's mostly R&D and some other stuff.
Dec 29 01:33:42 <astro76> I've read RAM pricing fluctuates as a commodity
Dec 29 01:33:50 <pauliukas> But I wish everything wasn't as cheap as it is today.
Dec 29 01:33:59 <pauliukas> Let's have quality components made somewhere else than China.
Dec 29 01:34:49 <hugolp> pauliukas:  you really think the chinese can not make quality stuff?
Dec 29 01:34:55 <pauliukas> of course.
Dec 29 01:34:57 <hugolp> the problem is not chinese, the problem is price
Dec 29 01:35:44 <hugolp> the problem is company that will sell the cheapest stuff they find
Dec 29 01:35:47 <hugolp> and thats all
Dec 29 01:35:47 <|R> and careless chinese politics
Dec 29 01:36:12 <hugolp> |R:  careless and politics in the same sentence is redundant
Dec 29 01:36:17 <|R> yeah sorry ;0
Dec 29 01:36:24 <|R> ;)
Dec 29 01:44:20 <kbsingh> i dont think all ram is made in China
Dec 29 01:44:28 <kbsingh> lots of it comes from Taiwan and Korea as well
Dec 29 01:45:24 <kbsingh> but the fact that just a few companies control pretty much all of it, is scary. and iirc didnt someone get busted in the rear end by the US DoJ and the French MRTP guys for price fixing ?
Dec 29 02:48:47 <pierlux> maybe I did something wrong, but I can't install the maemo sdk in the scratchbox... I get "Size mitmatch" errors on apt-get
Dec 29 02:50:40 <astro76> the repos have been messed up
Dec 29 02:51:55 <pierlux> oh
Dec 29 02:52:03 <pierlux> maybe I should subscribe to a mailing list :)
Dec 29 02:52:09 <pierlux> got a sugestion?
Dec 29 02:52:38 <astro76> hasn't been much info accept on internettablettalk
Dec 29 02:52:47 <astro76> apparently you can switch repository.maemo.org to stage.maemo.org
Dec 29 02:52:56 <astro76> s/accept/except/
Dec 29 02:53:04 <pierlux> or is it known when it'll be fixed?
Dec 29 02:53:15 <astro76> when Nokia people get back from vacation, hopefully
Dec 29 02:54:36 <pierlux> hehe :)
Dec 29 02:54:42 <pierlux> then maybe after Giftmas
Dec 29 02:55:47 <pierlux> stage.maemo.org doesn't seems to work
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