**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Dec 31 02:59:56 2007
Dec 31 03:00:47 <magicrobotmonkey> how do you find your ip?
Dec 31 03:01:48 <dospod> ifconfig
Dec 31 03:01:58 <dospod> if u have iputils
Dec 31 03:02:06 <magicrobotmonkey> ah
Dec 31 03:03:06 <Luria> ifconfig is in busybox, no?
Dec 31 03:03:19 <dospod> im not sure
Dec 31 03:04:29 <magicrobotmonkey> not that i see
Dec 31 03:06:32 <Luria> yes it does
Dec 31 03:06:58 <Luria> run busybox --help to get a list of functions
Dec 31 03:07:06 <Luria> (yes, i just did)
Dec 31 03:07:11 <bdogg64> busybox ifconfig
Dec 31 03:09:23 <magicrobotmonkey> oh
Dec 31 03:10:23 <Luria> there should be an aliased command tho
Dec 31 03:11:20 <Luria> it does need root privs
Dec 31 03:11:27 <Luria> that might be your problem
Dec 31 03:11:58 <magicrobotmonkey> mmm
Dec 31 03:12:13 <magicrobotmonkey> whats the default pass for user
Dec 31 03:12:21 <magicrobotmonkey> like if i was sshing in
Dec 31 03:12:55 <Luria> iirc, you dont want to tinker with that
Dec 31 03:13:32 <magicrobotmonkey> so should i just ssh as root?
Dec 31 03:13:50 <Luria> yeah, user is passwd -l 'ed
Dec 31 03:15:23 <magicrobotmonkey> gar
Dec 31 03:17:29 <Luria> i suppose you can do it, but i vaguely recall (disclaimer!) tht it *might* break apps
Dec 31 03:17:47 <Luria> but i do remember hearing it here from a channel reg
Dec 31 03:19:50 <yabbas> if you add a password, your appmanager will appear to "hang"
Dec 31 03:19:56 <yabbas> when installing stuff
Dec 31 03:19:58 <magicrobotmonkey> eh i can dance around it
Dec 31 03:21:07 <Luria> it's not wise
Dec 31 03:21:22 <Luria> use ssh with keys
Dec 31 03:25:16 <|R> http://safetravel.dot.gov/whats_new_batteries.html <- i don't get this... if i have a lithium ion installed in a device (n8x0) in carry-on, i can't use it anyway...?
Dec 31 03:27:11 <magicrobotmonkey> yea working on getting keys set up
Dec 31 03:30:31 <bdogg64> here is another link -- http://webf1.filecrunch.com/f/f548c082e05b21c32b35572d232d4c83%2F477861ef/20071231/cb42bd2ed22cab3159acf56550d34b56/vlc_0.8.6-1_armel.deb
Dec 31 03:45:16 <Luria> sigh, i hate using the app manager
Dec 31 03:45:29 <alterego> It's not that pad.
Dec 31 03:45:32 <alterego> ~bap
Dec 31 03:45:32 <Luria> dpkg is so much quicker
Dec 31 03:45:33 <infobot> somebody said bap was null
Dec 31 03:45:34 <alterego> ~bad
Dec 31 03:45:35 * infobot whines like a puppy and sulks
Dec 31 03:45:48 <alterego> That was unexpected.
Dec 31 03:45:58 <bdogg64> lol.. nice
Dec 31 03:46:03 <Luria> the spirit of _monkey lives on
Dec 31 03:46:23 <alterego> It's like the matrix, when Neo gets infested with the agent.
Dec 31 03:46:32 <alterego> infobot _is_ Monkey!
Dec 31 03:47:18 <Luria> sorta
Dec 31 03:47:27 <Luria> _monkey
Dec 31 03:47:45 <Luria> see. no response.
Dec 31 03:47:54 <alterego> You have to fill in the gap: _Monkey == SMonkey == Spunky Monkey.
Dec 31 03:48:12 <Luria> besides infobot was around at the same time as monkey.
Dec 31 03:48:18 <Luria> it just kept its mouth shut.
Dec 31 03:48:57 <alterego> Or we couldn't hear _it's_ bathering through _Monkey's static :)
Dec 31 03:51:17 <bdogg64> is there any way to set connection priority?
Dec 31 03:51:38 <Luria> like windows' wifi client?
Dec 31 03:51:51 <Luria> where it will disconnect and hop?
Dec 31 03:53:01 <bdogg64> yea... like if i have my phone connection and wifi.... if i want it to connect to the phone before the wifi
Dec 31 03:53:06 <alterego> Why would anyone want their wifi to act like Windows wifi connection manager? That's aweful
Dec 31 03:53:35 <bdogg64> maybe not act like the windows one... but something to that effect
Dec 31 03:57:17 <alterego> What does that mean?
Dec 31 03:57:30 <alterego> Jeez, if you want it to act like Windows, install Windows(tm)
Dec 31 03:57:56 <yabbas> bdogg64, I think it does it automagically.  If you setup both accounts - it'll flick between them.
Dec 31 03:58:34 <yabbas> Priority given to wifi connects (for obvious reasons.)
Dec 31 03:59:16 <bdogg64> ok
Dec 31 03:59:17 <alterego> The problem with anything like that. Is that not everyone wants the same behaviour. So creating an easy to use connection manager is hard, when you have so many different opinions on how it should operate.
Dec 31 03:59:39 <alterego> Sure you can add complexity with countless configuration options. But that defeats the point of a simple connection manager :)
Dec 31 04:00:03 <yabbas> alterego, agreed.  Personally I wish it'd stop asking me to connect via mobile since it costs me both arms and both legs.
Dec 31 04:00:20 <alterego> :)
Dec 31 04:00:24 <bdogg64> yea. I was just wondering. I know the Nokia E61i has something that provides that
Dec 31 04:01:39 <alterego> Personally, I'd like mine to connect to the known wifi spots. And when not in range of those, to auto connect to my mobile phone. But only in between the hours of 6-8 on a full moon in the month of January.
Dec 31 04:01:45 * yabbas reads xorg changelogs...  Real input drivers in KDrive framework, plus multiple keyboards, multiple devices.
Dec 31 04:01:51 <alterego> Oh, and it has to be a leap year.
Dec 31 04:02:01 <bdogg64> lol... ok maybe the phone was a bad example
Dec 31 04:05:06 <Luria> wow that was a crash
Dec 31 04:05:19 <Luria> gnumeric didnt want to uninstall
Dec 31 04:08:49 <Luria> apt-get -f install is having a blast :-/
Dec 31 04:35:51 <bradsucks> (can't wait to get my n800)
Dec 31 04:36:08 <Vulcanis> has anyone here tried pairing a wii controller to an n800?
Dec 31 04:36:33 <Luria> yes, once, a while ago
Dec 31 04:36:47 <Luria> i hear it's much better now
Dec 31 04:37:03 <yabbas> yes ;)
Dec 31 04:37:49 <bradsucks> is there any google calendar sync stuff on the n800/n810?
Dec 31 04:37:57 <bradsucks> i'm looking around and not finding much
Dec 31 04:38:07 <yabbas> I've ported wminput - it's working well as a controller.  I've fixed the wiimote detection code and am currently trying to find a way to get mouse input to X.
Dec 31 04:38:09 <Luria> erminig iirc
Dec 31 04:38:20 <Luria> huh.
Dec 31 04:38:26 <bradsucks> ah ha
Dec 31 04:38:34 <Luria> well, i like mice for my fpses, but...
Dec 31 04:38:46 <bradsucks> thanks luria
Dec 31 04:38:51 <bradsucks> man, i can't wait to play with it
Dec 31 04:38:53 <Luria> i'd try it with quetoo
Dec 31 04:39:21 <yabbas> Luria, same here - but I'd like to see it "complete" :)
Dec 31 04:39:23 <Luria> bradsucks, np
Dec 31 04:40:21 <Luria> id look like such a dork - n800 + wiimote + apple compact bt kybd + q2
Dec 31 04:40:27 <Luria> gots ta have it
Dec 31 04:40:34 <yabbas> lol
Dec 31 04:41:08 <Luria> actually, i have to fix xmodmap with this keyboard
Dec 31 04:41:28 <Luria> i need a windows right click key
Dec 31 04:41:47 <yabbas> I was mainly interested in the controller side of things.  Also looking at accelerometer and ir cam functions for other projects.
Dec 31 04:42:07 <tank-man> ps3 controller is bluetooth
Dec 31 04:43:07 <yabbas> hidd has sixxaxis mentioned in the source.  Since I don't have a PS3 controller I haven't tried it.
Dec 31 04:46:00 <Luria> i dont get it. aptget failed 3 times on a gnumeric install, and the appmanager seems to have done it...
Dec 31 04:46:47 <Luria> spoke too soon
Dec 31 04:47:22 <Luria> whatever, i have an icon, it runs.
Dec 31 04:48:27 <Luria> dosbox is nice
Dec 31 04:52:39 <lech> anyone know how to modify the internet radio applet in os2008 so I can stock it with alternate channels instead of only BBC radio links?
Dec 31 05:01:40 <lech> anyone?
Dec 31 05:02:11 <celesteh> anyone what?
Dec 31 05:02:50 <lech> does anyone know how to modify the internet radio applet in os2008 so I can add alternate channels instead of only the default BBC radio links?
Dec 31 05:03:12 <lech> they appear locked down in media player as well
Dec 31 05:03:13 <lech> :\
Dec 31 05:03:17 <celesteh> sorry.  i'm not on 2008 yet
Dec 31 05:03:24 <lech> :\
Dec 31 05:03:33 <celesteh> i've heard all the repos are down for applications
Dec 31 05:03:36 <celesteh> or some of them are
Dec 31 05:03:45 <celesteh> and i was going to wait until they came back up next year
Dec 31 05:03:48 <Luria> if you open a stream in media player, you can then save it - "add bookmark" iirc
Dec 31 05:04:03 <Luria> then it will appear in the drop down
Dec 31 05:04:59 <Luria> in the home screen applet
Dec 31 05:05:42 <lech> Luria, yeah, that doesn't exactly add it to the desktop internet radio applet though
Dec 31 05:05:59 <Luria> it should
Dec 31 05:06:02 <lech> Luria, are you in os2008?
Dec 31 05:06:19 <Luria> for a month and a half
Dec 31 05:06:38 <Luria> its worked on all of them
Dec 31 05:07:04 <lech> ok, in media player jump to Library > Internet Radio
Dec 31 05:07:09 <shack> lech: I was able to add some radios in the default list to the "favorites" list (which is the list with the bbc etc)
Dec 31 05:07:12 <Luria> i have galgalatz on my applet. seems to work for me, no different than os2007
Dec 31 05:07:21 <Luria> no
Dec 31 05:07:30 <Luria> open the url in the browser
Dec 31 05:07:42 <Luria> then let it open in the media player
Dec 31 05:08:05 <Luria> then add bookmark (or some such) in the media player
Dec 31 05:08:21 <Luria> is the quickest way
Dec 31 05:08:45 <lech> ahh, that's a bit backward
Dec 31 05:09:07 <Luria> well, you need the url anyway
Dec 31 05:09:28 <lech> yeah, would be nicer if there was just a way to drag and drop it around media player
Dec 31 05:09:35 <lech> but thanks for helping with that
Dec 31 05:09:36 <Luria> and that way you test whether it can handle the stream
Dec 31 05:09:44 <lech> true
Dec 31 05:09:57 <Luria> its not the only way, iirc, but it is the most certain method
Dec 31 05:10:46 <Luria> the straight forward way is
Dec 31 05:10:50 <Luria> library
Dec 31 05:10:54 <Luria> internet radio
Dec 31 05:11:04 <lech> yeah, that's the way I just did it bypassing the browser
Dec 31 05:11:13 <Luria> file menu->add bookmark
Dec 31 05:11:24 <lech> just wasn't certain what exactly bookmark meant considering it's already in the library
Dec 31 05:11:47 <Luria> but sometimes there is a hidden forward in the stream link
Dec 31 05:11:58 <Luria> for example,
Dec 31 05:12:10 <Luria> on Galgalatz (israeli station)
Dec 31 05:12:17 <lech> yeah, I'm familiar with the proxying some stations use
Dec 31 05:12:29 <lech> BassDrive along with a few others do it to load balance
Dec 31 05:12:43 <Luria> there is a playlisted stream with a station id and then the real stream
Dec 31 05:12:53 <lech> if one stream is overwhelmed it jumps to the next in the playlist
Dec 31 05:12:59 <Luria> i bypass the station id/ad by using the first method
Dec 31 05:14:00 <lech> I don't suppose you can remove certain applets that come in here by default, like "tableteer info" can you?
Dec 31 05:15:17 <Luria> remove as uninstall?
Dec 31 05:15:25 <lech> uninstall or hide
Dec 31 05:15:34 <Luria> or remove from display
Dec 31 05:15:45 <lech> from the list, not the desktop
Dec 31 05:16:08 <Luria> ah
Dec 31 05:16:47 <Luria> short of uninstalling the package, no idea
Dec 31 05:16:54 <lech> hmm, alright
Dec 31 06:07:49 <BuckWild> umm, I saw they had a fuse port for the N770 tablets, is there any ports for the newer OSs?
Dec 31 06:07:55 <BuckWild> OS2008 in particular?
Dec 31 06:09:35 <iDS> :D
Dec 31 06:11:08 <We> :D
Dec 31 06:11:13 <We> morning
Dec 31 06:11:23 * We sends hordes of lemmings over unique311
Dec 31 06:12:43 * We throws a keyboard at unique311
Dec 31 06:13:59 <We> :D
Dec 31 06:25:30 <We> yeah
Dec 31 06:25:30 <We> :D
Dec 31 06:25:41 <shack008n> damn, mplayer can't open network streams
Dec 31 06:25:52 <We> lol
Dec 31 06:25:56 <We> wait
Dec 31 06:26:29 <shack008n> oh shit, We's here again
Dec 31 06:34:04 <Vulcanis> [01:25:46] <shack008n> damn, mplayer can't open network streams -- whats streaming it
Dec 31 06:35:54 <shack008n> Vulcanis: i just paste the url and it won't play,for the file is too small
Dec 31 06:36:05 <iDS> yeah
Dec 31 06:36:48 <iDS> Which One Is Better In Your Opinion? N800 Or N810 ?
Dec 31 06:37:02 <BuckWild> is there any way to mount a fuse share?
Dec 31 06:37:05 <BuckWild> I'd really like to do that
Dec 31 06:37:17 <BuckWild> not exactly sure why that hasn't been attempted since the N770
Dec 31 06:37:23 <Vulcanis> n800 because its cheaper and just as powerful
Dec 31 06:37:29 <Vulcanis> like to do what, buck?
Dec 31 06:37:39 <Vulcanis> nm
Dec 31 06:37:43 <BuckWild> I'd like to have remote, secure access to my MP3s
Dec 31 06:37:47 <BuckWild> from work
Dec 31 06:38:11 <BuckWild> and it would be cool to access other files too while I'm at it
Dec 31 06:38:18 <iDS> ?
Dec 31 06:38:31 <iDS> Which One Is Better In Your Opinion? N800 Or N810 ?
Dec 31 06:38:34 <shack008n> you could run an upnp server over a vnc maybe
Dec 31 06:38:41 <BuckWild> N800, I haven't used the N810
Dec 31 06:38:50 <BuckWild> but the two full sized SDHC slots win me over
Dec 31 06:39:08 <BuckWild> I do like the idea of a built in keyboard tho
Dec 31 06:39:20 <BuckWild> shack008n, hmm
Dec 31 06:39:33 <BuckWild> isn't vnc insecure?
Dec 31 06:39:48 <BuckWild> I know in order to get remote access to my box I usually use X11 forwarding over SSH
Dec 31 06:40:11 <BuckWild> you don't get access to the running X session, but who cares cuz you can run whatever you need anyway
Dec 31 06:40:18 <shack008n> well, it's just songs...
Dec 31 06:40:47 <BuckWild> I had an apache installation with basic authentication setup
Dec 31 06:40:58 <BuckWild> but from my understanding that's basically no authentication
Dec 31 06:41:15 <oil> I was not convinced about the n810 keyboard.. .but once I got it.. it's really great.
Dec 31 06:41:17 <iDS> Well Which One Is Brightest,Loudest And High Video Quality?
Dec 31 06:41:24 <shack008n> ehmm, did i say vnc? i meant vpn of course
Dec 31 06:41:28 <BuckWild> oh
Dec 31 06:41:30 <BuckWild> vpn
Dec 31 06:41:37 <BuckWild> hmm
Dec 31 06:41:45 <BuckWild> yeah, I hadn't really thought of that route
Dec 31 06:42:25 <iDS> ?
Dec 31 06:42:29 <BuckWild> does VPN provide access to NFS shares?
Dec 31 06:42:35 <iDS> Well Which One Is Brightest,Loudest And High Video Quality?
Dec 31 06:42:38 <BuckWild> I haven't really messed with VPN as much
Dec 31 06:42:45 <BuckWild> iDS, no idea, I only used the N800
Dec 31 06:42:53 <BuckWild> but I think it looks nice for videos *shrug*
Dec 31 06:42:57 <BuckWild> and as far as loudest
Dec 31 06:43:12 <BuckWild> how loud do you expect a built in speaker on a 4"x6" thing to be?
Dec 31 06:43:20 <BuckWild> or whatever it is
Dec 31 06:43:51 <BuckWild> I love my N800, I kinda am envious of the built in keyboard on the N810
Dec 31 06:43:55 <BuckWild> but
Dec 31 06:44:05 <BuckWild> I don't know if I'd buy one of those given the SDHC slots
Dec 31 06:44:20 <BuckWild> I'm planning on getting another 16gb card and putting 24gb of capacity in mine eventually
Dec 31 06:44:23 <shack008n> the speakers on the 800 are fine to use it as a  internet radio at home (if it's not too noisy
Dec 31 06:44:31 <BuckWild> nowadays you can get bluetooth head units (which I'm buying)
Dec 31 06:44:44 <BuckWild> and then stream your music directly from the N800 to your car
Dec 31 06:44:46 <BuckWild> which will rule
Dec 31 06:44:55 <iDS> BuckWild so u want the keyboard?
Dec 31 06:45:06 <BuckWild> yeah, I think a pop out keyboard would be nice
Dec 31 06:45:16 <BuckWild> but I don't think it's really worth the loss of the full size SDHC slots
Dec 31 06:45:25 <BuckWild> so I'd probably still buy a N800 now given the choice
Dec 31 06:45:35 <BuckWild> I'm more about capacity than anything else with mobile units
Dec 31 06:45:44 <iDS> no i don't think
Dec 31 06:45:59 <BuckWild> it depends on what you are going to be doing with the device
Dec 31 06:46:15 <BuckWild> if I'm doing a lot of typing, I find I can usually just ssh in to execute commands anyway
Dec 31 06:46:34 <BuckWild> it would be nice for pidgin to have the full keyboard
Dec 31 06:46:45 <BuckWild> but honestly, mobile IMing is not as useful as they make it out to be
Dec 31 06:47:01 <BuckWild> the most typing I tend to do away from a computer is to look up some crap on the internet when I'm out
Dec 31 06:47:12 <BuckWild> and the screen keyboard is good enough for that
Dec 31 06:48:04 <tank-man> about the loudness, i find the n800 louder than my psp
Dec 31 06:48:11 <iDS> How is the battery life on n800 and n810 which one is better?
Dec 31 06:48:22 <BuckWild> no idea about that one
Dec 31 06:49:14 <BuckWild> I think the N810 is better for music or something
Dec 31 06:49:25 <iDS> cos i want to buy 1 of them and still don't know more :(
Dec 31 06:49:42 <BuckWild> I find that in intense usage situations that the N800 can be a little shorter on battery life than I like
Dec 31 06:49:46 <BuckWild> but
Dec 31 06:49:52 <tank-man> get which ever one you can afford
Dec 31 06:49:59 <BuckWild> when you consider that when I'm using it intensely I'm basically using it like a laptop
Dec 31 06:50:04 <BuckWild> and most laptops have like
Dec 31 06:50:07 <iDS> so n810 operating time for battery life is longer yes?
Dec 31 06:50:09 <BuckWild> 2-4 hours battery life
Dec 31 06:50:17 <BuckWild> I think it's pretty good
Dec 31 06:50:26 <BuckWild> umm
Dec 31 06:50:28 <BuckWild> not sure
Dec 31 06:50:42 <BuckWild> I think the N810 has a dedicated music mode that lasts a lot longer than N800 playing music or something
Dec 31 06:50:56 <BuckWild> I think it might have a better battery life
Dec 31 06:52:27 <iDS> what about video?
Dec 31 06:53:19 <iDS> umm?
Dec 31 06:53:36 <iDS> Video Operating Time For Battery Life
Dec 31 06:54:48 <metatron> what?
Dec 31 06:54:57 <iDS> read up
Dec 31 06:55:03 <metatron> no, both have the same boards
Dec 31 06:55:06 <metatron> same dsps
Dec 31 06:55:12 <iDS> and guys the screen display size of them is the same?
Dec 31 06:55:16 <metatron> omap 2420
Dec 31 06:55:39 <iDS> ?
Dec 31 06:56:02 <Luria> display size is the same on all ITs back to the 770
Dec 31 06:56:18 <iDS> :D
Dec 31 06:56:19 <Luria> though the panel has been different each time
Dec 31 06:56:32 <iDS> Luria
Dec 31 06:56:45 <iDS> do u prefer n810 to n800?
Dec 31 06:56:54 <iDS> or no
Dec 31 06:56:59 <Luria> ah... depends on usage
Dec 31 06:57:03 <Vulcanis> n810 because of the thumbboard
Dec 31 06:57:10 <Luria> i am on an 810 right now
Dec 31 06:57:13 <Luria> excuse me
Dec 31 06:57:14 <Vulcanis> but if you use a BT KB, they are pretty much exactly the same
Dec 31 06:57:15 <Luria> 800
Dec 31 06:57:34 <Luria> ive handled the 810; it's very nice
Dec 31 06:57:41 <Luria> i may get it too
Dec 31 06:57:48 <Luria> but im not selling the n800
Dec 31 06:57:54 <iDS> cos i am hearing about battery life and nb10 is more longer than n800
Dec 31 06:58:03 <Vulcanis> one for each pocket, Luria?
Dec 31 06:58:04 <Luria> simply because of the storage space
Dec 31 06:58:17 <Luria> i also have a 770, fwiw
Dec 31 06:58:20 <Vulcanis> yeah, n810 is max 10gb, n800 is max 16, IIRC
Dec 31 06:58:25 <Luria> no
Dec 31 06:58:34 <Luria> max 16 per slot
Dec 31 06:58:43 <Vulcanis> Oh, its gotten higher?
Dec 31 06:58:45 <Vulcanis> thought it capped at 8
Dec 31 06:58:49 <iDS> ??????
Dec 31 06:58:52 <Vulcanis> so 24 and 18
Dec 31 06:58:52 <Luria> 32gb cards are available if you can find/pay for them
Dec 31 06:58:53 <iDS> impossible?
Dec 31 06:59:05 <Vulcanis> wait, no.  math is bad
Dec 31 06:59:09 <Vulcanis> 32 and 18
Dec 31 06:59:12 <iDS> i think both can insert 16 32
Dec 31 06:59:14 <Luria> no 810 = 2gb internal +8gb card
Dec 31 06:59:17 <Luria> max
Dec 31 06:59:24 <Vulcanis> right, thats 10.  16 is n800
Dec 31 06:59:29 <Vulcanis> 8 and 8
Dec 31 06:59:52 <Luria> n800 = 2* 16  (or 2*32gb)
Dec 31 06:59:58 <Vulcanis> the OS is whats limiting it, so if one can run 16gb cards, then the other can, too
Dec 31 07:00:03 <Vulcanis> so n810 can run 16+2
Dec 31 07:00:09 <Luria> Vulcanis, 16gb sdhc cards are 90$
Dec 31 07:00:14 <Vulcanis> if they can at all
Dec 31 07:00:18 <Vulcanis> Luria: Not the point.
Dec 31 07:00:24 <Vulcanis> you're saying n810 can only do 8+2
Dec 31 07:00:29 <Luria> ~$170 buys you 32gb of space
Dec 31 07:00:30 <iDS> CONFUSED :S
Dec 31 07:00:45 <Luria> iDS, i know
Dec 31 07:01:00 <iDS> i think n810 can insert 32 g too
Dec 31 07:01:17 <Luria> no, because it doesnt have an sdhc slot
Dec 31 07:01:31 <iDS> impossible! it was newer
Dec 31 07:01:31 <Vulcanis> then it could not be able to run even 8gb... Ohshit, wait.
Dec 31 07:01:34 <iDS> :S
Dec 31 07:01:34 <Vulcanis> is it minisd?
Dec 31 07:01:48 <Luria> essentially, n810 =10gb, n800 32gb
Dec 31 07:01:54 <Vulcanis> or 64
Dec 31 07:02:11 <Luria> if you can find and afford it, yeah
Dec 31 07:02:20 <Vulcanis> I had forgotten that it was not an sdhc thing, because I thought the 8gb cards had to be that.
Dec 31 07:02:24 <Vulcanis> Yay tiredness
Dec 31 07:02:46 <Luria> ids, are you still confused?
Dec 31 07:03:07 <Luria> ill go over that again if you want.
Dec 31 07:03:09 <iDS> yes :S
Dec 31 07:03:30 <Luria> ok, when they built the n810 they made it smaller
Dec 31 07:03:38 <iDS> finally which one can takes more memory space?
Dec 31 07:03:57 <Luria> the n800 by far.
Dec 31 07:04:18 <iDS> but http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N810
Dec 31 07:04:28 <iDS> Media One slot, compatible with miniSD or microSD cards up to 32GB
Dec 31 07:04:30 <iDS> ???
Dec 31 07:04:46 <Vulcanis> that is a sexy, sexy beast, though.
Dec 31 07:04:54 <Luria> one sec, ill explain
Dec 31 07:04:55 <iDS> heheh
Dec 31 07:05:03 <iDS> tnx please :D
Dec 31 07:05:10 <Vulcanis> yeah, I was not aware that it was miniSDHC
Dec 31 07:05:11 <Luria> as i said, they wanted to make it smaller
Dec 31 07:05:28 <iDS> and
Dec 31 07:05:30 <Luria> so while the n800 has two sdhc slots
Dec 31 07:05:48 <Luria> each of which can use cards up to 32gb
Dec 31 07:06:09 <Luria> the n810 has 2gb *fixed* internal and ONE sdmini slot
Dec 31 07:06:35 <Luria> however, while sh(hc)mini is specced to reach 32gb
Dec 31 07:06:48 <Luria> there are no cards greater than 8gb available
Dec 31 07:07:36 <iDS> oh
Dec 31 07:07:41 <Luria> got it?
Dec 31 07:07:47 <iDS> so ummm n800 is better on this way
Dec 31 07:07:53 <iDS> for moemory card space
Dec 31 07:07:59 <iDS> yes tnx :D
Dec 31 07:07:59 <Luria> very much
Dec 31 07:08:10 <iDS> and guys
Dec 31 07:08:18 <iDS> how is the os 2008?
Dec 31 07:08:29 <iDS> is it better or no different
Dec 31 07:08:43 <iDS> infact between n800 and n810
Dec 31 07:08:52 <iDS> what is news??
Dec 31 07:09:57 <Vulcanis> the OS is the same for both if you update it on the n800
Dec 31 07:10:15 <Vulcanis> the ONLY thing that really changed, is they gave the n810 GPS and a slide out kb
Dec 31 07:10:21 <Vulcanis> only thing other than memory
Dec 31 07:10:36 <iDS> oh yeah :)
Dec 31 07:10:42 <Luria> faster for cpu tasks but clearly not as mature
Dec 31 07:10:52 <Vulcanis> Luria: The cpu is the same
Dec 31 07:10:54 <Vulcanis> oh
Dec 31 07:10:55 <Vulcanis> you mean the os
Dec 31 07:11:00 <Vulcanis> I should sleep
Dec 31 07:11:08 <iDS> yes n810 is the CPU 400 MHz TI OMAP 2420
Dec 31 07:11:09 <Luria> n800s ship with os 2008 now
Dec 31 07:11:15 <Vulcanis> They do? Nice.
Dec 31 07:11:30 <Vulcanis> the same processor is in both, ids
Dec 31 07:11:34 <Vulcanis> atleast, speed
Dec 31 07:11:38 <Vulcanis> don't know about model
Dec 31 07:12:05 <Luria> omap 2420 board, as was quoted
Dec 31 07:12:13 <iDS> the apps games...on os 2007 can work on os 2008?
Dec 31 07:12:45 <Luria> depends, most need to be ported tho because the are so graphical
Dec 31 07:12:47 <Vulcanis> with ALOT of work, until somoene else ports them for you
Dec 31 07:12:58 <Vulcanis> alot of the glade stuff was broken and that has to be fixed
Dec 31 07:13:19 <Luria> iDS, just ignore os2007
Dec 31 07:13:26 <Luria> if you are buying now
Dec 31 07:13:43 <iDS> N800 is The CPU 330 MHz TI OMAP 2420 but i think they are really different
Dec 31 07:13:58 <Luria> ids, the are the same
Dec 31 07:14:06 <iDS> yes i am buying and money is not my problem just wanna to know which one is better for buy?
Dec 31 07:14:14 <Luria> 2420 can be clocked from 166mhz -1ghz iirc
Dec 31 07:14:28 <Luria> its firmware controlled
Dec 31 07:14:31 <BuckWild> does anyone here use the x11vnc thing to control their N800 with OS2008?
Dec 31 07:14:33 <iDS> :S
Dec 31 07:14:43 <BuckWild> it seems I can't open the launcher
Dec 31 07:14:43 <iDS> with all sections os cpu battery lige memory keyboard...
Dec 31 07:15:00 <BuckWild> everything else works, but when I click on the two top side icons nothing happens
Dec 31 07:16:33 <Luria> essentially n810 is the n800 with kybd, transflective screen, gps, less memory, smaller, and a fixed (not flippable) camera
Dec 31 07:16:33 <Vulcanis> does anyone here have an igo bt kb?
Dec 31 07:16:39 <Luria> yes
Dec 31 07:16:54 <Vulcanis> did it come with the annoying "OPEN THIS THIS WAY" sticker that stuck all over the back of it?
Dec 31 07:16:57 <Luria> i have one with me
Dec 31 07:16:58 <astro76> BuckWild, I've seen those buttons stop working on the actual device on occasion
Dec 31 07:17:07 <Luria> no, cause i got it as a sierra
Dec 31 07:17:15 <astro76> Vulcanis, yeah, needed some rubbing alcohol for that one
Dec 31 07:17:17 <Luria> no, thinkoutside or whatever
Dec 31 07:17:32 <Vulcanis> Ah, ok astro.  Was going to ask how to get that off, and one other thing...
Dec 31 07:17:41 <Vulcanis> Anyone else get like, .5 second lag between characters?
Dec 31 07:17:44 <Vulcanis> well, keypresses
Dec 31 07:18:01 <Vulcanis> I'm pretty sure that should not happen
Dec 31 07:18:14 <iDS> i like the n810 bag it is very stylish
Dec 31 07:18:58 <Vulcanis> so was your mot^H^H^H^H^H^H^HThe old bag.
Dec 31 07:19:29 <iDS> what? i don't get it
Dec 31 07:19:39 <Vulcanis> its more of an inside joke.
Dec 31 07:19:50 <tank-man> use some vinager to get sticker residue off
Dec 31 07:20:01 <tank-man> and then use a credit card to scrape it off
Dec 31 07:20:12 <Vulcanis> yeah, I was trying dry with a plastic fork
Dec 31 07:20:20 <Vulcanis> but who the hell puts stickers like that on plastic?
Dec 31 07:20:21 <astro76> Vulcanis, that doesn't sound right
Dec 31 07:20:26 <Vulcanis> esp stickers that will only be used once.
Dec 31 07:20:53 <Vulcanis> astro76: The lag?
Dec 31 07:21:04 <astro76> Vulcanis, yeah, using os2008?
Dec 31 07:21:07 <Vulcanis> didn't think so, I'll try it again tomorrow.
Dec 31 07:21:09 <Vulcanis> yes
Dec 31 07:21:25 <Vulcanis> its ~.5 seconds between keypress and showing up onscreen
Dec 31 07:21:36 <Vulcanis> so much that I can have it lag sentances behind
Dec 31 07:21:51 <astro76> Vulcanis, one major issue some might encounter is if the keys are pressed for more than a moment, you get a bunch of repeated characters
Dec 31 07:21:58 <Vulcanis> no
Dec 31 07:22:00 <Vulcanis> its not that
Dec 31 07:22:17 <astro76> there needs to be a repeat rate setting implemented... vote for this bug ;) https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2670
Dec 31 07:22:59 <Vulcanis> thats not it, though
Dec 31 07:23:09 <Vulcanis> this is before it gets to that point, I'm sure.
Dec 31 07:23:44 <astro76> sounds like it
Dec 31 07:24:11 <astro76> no if you press one a key it should seem instantaneous
Dec 31 07:24:22 <Vulcanis> right, why I think its a problem with bluetooth
Dec 31 07:24:26 <Vulcanis> and not a repeatrate thing
Dec 31 07:24:48 <Vulcanis> or drivers
Dec 31 07:25:29 <astro76> Vulcanis, of course as we have the same setup I'm not sure what the problem is
Dec 31 07:25:32 <astro76> n800?
Dec 31 07:25:38 <Vulcanis> n800
Dec 31 07:25:59 <Vulcanis> igo slim thinkoutside thing
Dec 31 07:33:06 <astro76> Vulcanis, bluetooth net connection at the same time?
Dec 31 07:33:20 <Vulcanis> no
Dec 31 07:33:23 <Vulcanis> no other bt stuff
Dec 31 07:33:28 <Vulcanis> just wifi for webbernets
Dec 31 08:03:41 <iDS> :D
Dec 31 08:19:53 <iDS> GUYS I Heard The Video/Audio Quality On os 2008 Is Better Than Os 2007 is it true? or no differrent ?
Dec 31 08:21:20 <iDS> ????????????
Dec 31 08:24:05 <iDS> ???????
Dec 31 08:27:33 <rm_you> i haven't tried a different encoding scheme yet...
Dec 31 08:27:56 <rm_you> but i know the videos i had already done played perfectly, so i can at least say the quality doesn't go down
Dec 31 08:28:19 <rm_you> sec lemmie try playing one that was too intensive for it before
Dec 31 08:32:28 <rm_you> still laggy <_<
Dec 31 08:32:31 <rm_you> so seems about the same
Dec 31 08:33:17 <iDS> ok
Dec 31 08:33:32 <iDS> so both are the same
Dec 31 08:34:55 <rm_you> yeah seems approximately the same... but that's just with one really simple test
Dec 31 08:35:04 <rm_you> you might want to actually do some testing yourself :)
Dec 31 08:37:30 <iDS> but friend
Dec 31 08:37:37 <iDS> i watched them
Dec 31 08:37:50 <iDS> the video on n800 and n810
Dec 31 08:38:02 <iDS> i think n810 has better quality
Dec 31 08:38:29 <iDS> please watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r20J00CIYqc
Dec 31 08:38:45 <iDS> look the audio and video is exactly like a pc
Dec 31 08:39:40 <rm_you> yeah, i had the audio/video quality the same as a PC on os20076
Dec 31 08:39:43 <rm_you> *os2007
Dec 31 08:39:56 <rm_you> not sure how much better it can get
Dec 31 08:40:39 <iDS> just look that video i think it's better the os 2008 for n810
Dec 31 08:41:20 <rm_you> i don't know how you can tell from a youtube video >_>
Dec 31 08:42:07 <iDS> yes :s
Dec 31 08:44:19 <astro76> iDS, absolutely no difference in that regards between n800 and n810 with os2008
Dec 31 08:44:31 <astro76> not sure how many ways we can tell you that
Dec 31 08:45:05 <iDS> :D
Dec 31 08:45:10 <iDS> thank u
Dec 31 08:45:14 <astro76> or if you mean between os2008 and and os2007, then yeah
Dec 31 08:45:16 <iDS> cos i
Dec 31 08:45:22 <astro76> os2008 enabled the 400 MHz on the n800
Dec 31 08:45:47 <iDS> look here too: malaysia.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071223141455AAhVGsX
Dec 31 08:46:05 <iDS> http://malaysia.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071223141455AAhVGsX
Dec 31 08:46:56 <iDS> What I have heard is the videos look much better once you put the OS2008(this is the latest OS released by Nokia for the Nokia N800) OS in your device.
Dec 31 08:47:55 <astro76> maybe, dunno I can't tell, the whole system is snappier in general
Dec 31 08:48:06 <jga23> anybody get fceu working on os2008?
Dec 31 08:48:09 <astro76> it's a moot point, the n800 now should come with os2008, if not you should put it on right away ;)
Dec 31 08:48:15 <iDS> ummm yes
Dec 31 08:52:22 <iDS> who have n810 here now?
Dec 31 08:53:52 <iDS> ?
Dec 31 08:54:19 <WISHMASTER> me
Dec 31 08:55:19 <iDS> friend
Dec 31 08:55:23 <iDS> umm
Dec 31 08:55:52 <iDS> well
Dec 31 08:55:58 <iDS> on ur n810
Dec 31 08:56:10 <iDS> there is a demo video for that
Dec 31 08:56:24 <iDS> an advertisem for ur n810ent
Dec 31 08:56:39 <iDS> an advertisement for ur n810 ops
Dec 31 08:56:57 <iDS> yeah the official nokia n800 advertisement video
Dec 31 08:59:23 <iDS> yes? availanle?
Dec 31 08:59:59 <astro76> the demo video is in the os2008 image, both n800 and n810
Dec 31 09:00:06 <Khertan> Hi !
Dec 31 09:01:08 <iDS> so both have this video ? yes
Dec 31 09:01:52 <unique311> anyone know how i can get sound in scratchbox
Dec 31 09:02:14 <astro76> astro76, that wasn't clear from my statement?
Dec 31 09:02:30 <astro76> iDS, ^
Dec 31 09:03:13 <WISHMASTER> repository still broken?
Dec 31 09:03:29 <astro76> WISHMASTER, yeah
Dec 31 09:03:57 <WISHMASTER> so i'm not the onlyone unble to download from testing maemo extra
Dec 31 09:04:02 <WISHMASTER> and maemo extra
Dec 31 09:04:04 <WISHMASTER> true?
Dec 31 09:04:09 <astro76> true true
Dec 31 09:04:13 <WISHMASTER> :/
Dec 31 09:04:24 <astro76> Nokia is still on vacation apparently until after the 1st
Dec 31 09:04:28 <WISHMASTER> there are non alternative link to download libmad0?
Dec 31 09:04:50 <astro76> you could try stage.maemo.org
Dec 31 09:05:59 <astro76> WISHMASTER, or this http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13721
Dec 31 09:06:53 <WISHMASTER> ill try remuving the "i"
Dec 31 09:06:54 <WISHMASTER> :P
Dec 31 09:07:26 <astro76> which is the same as stage.
Dec 31 09:07:37 <unique311> so any of yous running scratchbox?
Dec 31 09:08:27 <dpb_> which is the same as anything.m.o
Dec 31 09:09:08 <dpb_> you could use i-want-this-to-work-damnit.maemo.org if you wanted
Dec 31 09:09:15 <dpb_> =)
Dec 31 09:09:24 <WISHMASTER> astro76 seems like working :P
Dec 31 09:17:43 <WISHMASTER> happy new year to all see you
Dec 31 09:50:43 <Spacer> yeah just recevied my n810
Dec 31 09:51:48 <X-Fade> Spacer: Bastard ;)
Dec 31 09:51:53 <Spacer> ^^
Dec 31 09:52:06 <Spacer> i must say its even better then I imagined
Dec 31 09:52:18 <X-Fade> Spacer: Where did you order it?
Dec 31 09:52:50 <Spacer> actually I bought it from an individual who got it as a gift, new in the box, for a significant discount
Dec 31 09:53:52 <X-Fade> Hmm, too bad :)
Dec 31 09:54:27 <Spacer> now its time to Hack
Dec 31 10:00:13 <|tbb|> what is the most featured hack u  will do
Dec 31 10:01:35 <Spacer> planterium program
Dec 31 10:03:37 <Khertan> arg .... my host ftp is down ... again ...
Dec 31 10:22:21 <Zic> somebody success to install Canola 2 on OS2007/N800 ?
Dec 31 10:28:10 <Blafasel> Hi there. Is this the right place to ask general N810 questions (availability in europe overall, seems limited here so far) or even such basic stuff like "Does it support GSM in the first place"? The specs on the site are either hidden or marketingspeech..
Dec 31 10:28:24 <kulve> Blafasel: yup
Dec 31 10:28:45 <kulve> Blafasel: just ask the question and wait hoping that somebody answers..
Dec 31 10:29:29 <kulve> "support gsm"? No, there's not gsm but it connects to the net using the phones gprs/3g nicely
Dec 31 10:30:54 <Zic> other question, where can I find Ekiga for the OS2007 to test videoconf without GoogleTalk/Jingle ?
Dec 31 10:32:13 <Blafasel> kulve: Thanks. So just the availibility stuff left. Seems like all offers here are "7-10 weeks" preorder style and smell like imports
Dec 31 10:33:12 <kulve> n810 availibility is odd. You can get it from some shops in some countries. In some countries nokia's webstores sells it, in some not.
Dec 31 10:33:52 <|tbb|> is it possible to create a remote desktop connection trough an adhoc connection?(n810 - desktoppc)
Dec 31 10:38:22 <Blafasel> Hmm.. Stupid me. Thank. I didn't check the nokia shop directly. It does ship right away here in Germany. Although I'd prefer to get my service provider to pay for the thing.. ;)
Dec 31 10:39:44 <Spacer> maybe a silly question, but how do I enable the extras repos on the n810? I only get a bunch of nokia-supported tools
Dec 31 10:40:04 <|tbb|> Blafasel: got the same problem here, but the service provider say mid january they will eventually get it
Dec 31 10:43:23 <Blafasel> |tbb|: Which provider?
Dec 31 10:44:21 <|tbb|> imean salepoint
Dec 31 10:44:32 <|tbb|> near stuttgart
Dec 31 10:45:08 <Blafasel> For what? A Nokia shop or a point of sale for one of the gsm provider?
Dec 31 10:45:22 <|tbb|> got mine from online shop allready mid december
Dec 31 10:45:56 <iDS> anyone from UAE Dubai??????????????????????????????????????????///////
Dec 31 10:46:14 <tsavola> someone might confess if you add one more ?
Dec 31 10:46:45 <Blafasel> |tbb|: I want eplus to pay 50-75%, currently still arguing ;)
Dec 31 10:47:34 <|tbb|> ah, k dont have a clue then
Dec 31 10:52:58 <eber_> hi )
Dec 31 10:53:21 <eber_> these nokia look awful when covered with fingerprints :)
Dec 31 10:57:27 <eber_> is there a reference of all dbus signals & methods in use with IT ?
Dec 31 11:03:49 <Zic> does exist a solution to see the WLAN MAC Adress without remove the battery from the tablet ?
Dec 31 11:05:14 <eber_> ifconfig ? :)
Dec 31 11:05:27 <Zic> omg, I don't think about it :þ
Dec 31 11:05:42 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Dec 31 11:09:50 <unique311> morning
Dec 31 11:14:39 <Spacer> Zic, you can also see it in OS info in configuration screen
Dec 31 11:16:20 <Zic> Spacer: yeah, but I'm just understanding that MAC Adress must be given without ":" separator :]
Dec 31 11:16:21 <sibbe> zic, control panel -> device info or something like that
Dec 31 11:16:48 <Zic> it was why I wanted to remove battery
Dec 31 11:16:51 <Spacer> wow this n810 is just awesome
Dec 31 11:16:53 <Zic> but it works, thanks :)
Dec 31 11:16:56 <Zic> Spacer: ^^
Dec 31 11:42:46 <zs_> Spacer: i am jealous :~)
Dec 31 11:43:40 <Spacer> where are you from zs_ ?
Dec 31 11:44:11 <Spacer> it should be available pretty soon in most countries
Dec 31 11:44:36 <zs_> from Poland and I am not able to buy it here because Nokia doesn't sell it here ;)
Dec 31 11:44:59 <zs_> i don't think so
Dec 31 11:45:09 <Spacer> siema ;)
Dec 31 11:45:24 <Spacer> well I suppose you can order one from germany or the UK?
Dec 31 11:45:50 <zs_> i will buy it when i go to GB
Dec 31 11:46:49 <X-Fade> Beware of hardware keyboard mappings in different countries though ;)
Dec 31 11:47:35 <Spacer> definately
Dec 31 11:47:54 <zs_> yeah i don't want french (azerty) :O
Dec 31 11:47:55 <Spacer> i got one pretty cheap from a guy, new in the box and all, but its french localization
Dec 31 11:48:02 <Spacer> slightly different azerty board
Dec 31 11:48:11 <Spacer> lol
Dec 31 11:48:48 <X-Fade> Yeah and german version will have qwertz ;)
Dec 31 11:48:59 * Spacer shudders
Dec 31 11:49:32 <Spacer> the one most obvious and annoying defect i've found is there isn't a simple way to input a '.'
Dec 31 11:50:14 <X-Fade> Spacer: You'd have to use shift. French people don't seem to use a '.' a lot ;)
Dec 31 11:50:45 <Spacer> maybe, but, you'd think for an *internet* appliance with a lot of browsing you'd like to be able to give in the .com and .org a lot ^^
Dec 31 11:51:15 <X-Fade> Spacer: Nah, in OS2008 they also messed up the underscore..
Dec 31 11:51:28 <Spacer> well, I'm still toying with it only got it since a few hours. In worst case scenario I'll simply map one of the other keys to '.'
Dec 31 11:51:32 <X-Fade> There used to be a - and _ with shift key..
Dec 31 11:51:33 <JussiP> Maybe they use :com aond :org in France.
Dec 31 11:51:40 <Spacer> ^^
Dec 31 11:52:09 <Spacer> this device really makes me wonder what they'll come up with next
Dec 31 11:53:04 <X-Fade> Spacer: Multitouch OpenGL ;)
Dec 31 11:53:17 <Spacer> that would be so :o
Dec 31 11:53:35 <Spacer> by the way can anyone here recommend me a nifty IRC client for OS2008?
Dec 31 11:53:45 <kulve> ssh+screen+irssi
Dec 31 11:53:59 <eber_> spacer: xchat
Dec 31 11:53:59 <X-Fade> kulve: Hmm that is what I use too :)
Dec 31 11:54:04 <Spacer> for OS2008??
Dec 31 11:54:08 <Spacer> screen?
Dec 31 11:54:20 <X-Fade> Spacer: Ssh to a remote host ;) That is always on..
Dec 31 11:54:26 <kulve> Spacer: the screen is ofc running on your irc-computer and you just use ssh to log there
Dec 31 11:54:43 <Spacer> i know that I mean xchat-like thing running on the device
Dec 31 11:54:57 <kulve> well, xchat then
Dec 31 11:54:59 <astro76> Spacer, it's not final yet http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/
Dec 31 11:55:03 <Spacer> in case my host is offline again
Dec 31 11:55:06 <kulve> I've never used any irc client on the device
Dec 31 11:55:14 <X-Fade> Spacer: Even pidgin is an option..
Dec 31 11:55:27 <eber_> i've run xchat on os2008 since yesterday, and it's really good
Dec 31 11:55:33 <Spacer> astro76, thanks, I'll check it out
Dec 31 11:55:34 <kulve> pidgin seems to be very popular, but I don't know what protocols are the most used ones
Dec 31 11:55:51 <astro76> pidgin is pretty horrible for IRC
Dec 31 11:56:07 <Spacer> i noticed there is a user called 'irc' in /etc/passwd but no IRC connectivity by default, odd isnt it?
Dec 31 12:17:18 <sp3000> hmm
Dec 31 12:17:46 <sp3000> repository is being less broken for me today again
Dec 31 12:20:15 <sp3000> can you confirm or is it just being random?
Dec 31 12:22:09 <hugolp> sp3000:  yes, I just check and I just installed load-applet that was broke for me before
Dec 31 12:32:13 <micko_21> Hello, I tried to install SDK for maemo 4.0 on archlinux, but did not succeed. Is there a livecd with SDK for maemo 4.0? Or does anybody use scratchbox2 on archlinux?
Dec 31 12:34:32 <X-Fade> micko_21: There is a vmware image..
Dec 31 12:34:52 <X-Fade> micko_21: http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/
Dec 31 12:35:06 <jprieur> hi, any Finnish guy around? There's an application form I need to complete and the content of a combo is written in Finnish so I need a little help to select the right thing...
Dec 31 12:35:16 <dpb_> why wont the SDK work on archlinux? should work..
Dec 31 12:35:39 <vegai> dpb_: it does
Dec 31 12:36:09 <vegai> well, at least I was able to get it work ... and work with it for a couple of years
Dec 31 12:36:12 <micko_21> I get "/lib/ld-linux.so.3: No such file or directory" - don't know how to fix it/what to look for...
Dec 31 12:36:37 <micko_21> I would love to use native version...
Dec 31 12:36:37 <vegai> there might've been tricks to it, though
Dec 31 12:37:28 <X-Fade> Or you could try the SDK+ Alpha. Sb2 is a lot more transparant..
Dec 31 12:38:05 <X-Fade> Although it is an alpha release, people seem to be reporting great results.
Dec 31 12:38:11 <micko_21> I have qemu-cvs-2007-12-31, scratchbox2 1.99.0.22, but dont know how to proceed. It seems to me that there is problem with qemu environment or something like that...
Dec 31 12:38:38 <micko_21> I dod not try to use scratchbox v1 because it is too much debian-based.
Dec 31 12:38:58 <micko_21> And I don't use debian distro right now
Dec 31 12:38:59 <tsavola> how so
Dec 31 12:39:07 <tsavola> the tarballs don't work?
Dec 31 12:39:56 <micko_21> Which tarballs you mean? I have read that v1 assumes lots of tools which are specific for debian, so I did not even try it.
Dec 31 12:40:07 <tsavola> micko_21: it's distribution-neutral
Dec 31 12:40:14 <micko_21> Hoped to get v2 working...
Dec 31 12:40:22 <tsavola> micko_21: the internals of scratchbox are derived from debian, but that doesn't matter
Dec 31 12:40:38 <Spacer> note this comment, from a reviewer of the n810: "The primary disadvantage of the N810 running Linux is the lack of third-party software."
Dec 31 12:43:59 <micko_21> So now I have sbox2 and qemu, and SDK, etc. but it is not working. Maybe there is just a small change needed to get it working. Is there some description how to test (not install) environment for meamo?
Dec 31 12:44:14 <zs_> Spacer: what are you using for your N810? ;)
Dec 31 12:44:29 <tsavola> micko_21: see the url in topic
Dec 31 12:44:49 <tsavola> micko_21: that's all there is, afaik
Dec 31 12:45:08 <Spacer> zs_, do you mean what I use it for, or ... ? sorry don't quite follow
Dec 31 12:46:35 <kulve> micko_21: maemo is debian based thus you need the debian stuff inside the SB. SB1 should works just fine on a non-debian distro, as mentioned already
Dec 31 12:47:11 <kulve> SB2 is something quite experimental still, even though it seems to work nicely for most use cases
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Dec 31 13:35:20 <jprieur> hi, any Finnish guy around? There's an application form I need to complete and the content of a combo is written in Finnish so I need a little help to select the right thing...
Dec 31 13:36:04 <kulve> o/
Dec 31 13:37:15 <jprieur> kulve: can you help me please? :)
Dec 31 13:37:43 <kulve> yes
Dec 31 13:37:48 <jprieur> thanks
Dec 31 13:38:02 <kulve> I wouldn't have raised my hand otherwise ;)
Dec 31 13:40:59 <jprieur> :)
Dec 31 13:57:19 <sandyang028> :P
Dec 31 14:12:45 <magicrobotmonkey> ewc
Dec 31 14:17:20 <maddler> hi all
Dec 31 14:23:33 <Spacer> hi maddler
Dec 31 14:25:53 <sk> morning
Dec 31 14:26:06 <sk> man, im having the worst trouble setting up a dev env for the n770 on debian
Dec 31 14:27:09 <sk> I'm going to throw out my problem(s), if anyone has ideas...
Dec 31 14:27:16 <sk> I am able to invoke Xephyr on SDK_PC only. And ontop of that, I can envoke the n770 GUI ontop of that. However, I cannot run code (sample hello world/hello world GTK) because they are compiled for SDK_ARMEL. I can build them from source though, when I switch scratchbox to SDK_ARMEL. HOWEVER, in ARMEL, I can't boot Xephry, it just fails when I attempt to:
Dec 31 14:28:33 <eber_> sk: maybe you can run xephir from outside scratchbox
Dec 31 14:29:18 <sk> but how will it know I want it to be invoked for ARM and not PC?
Dec 31 14:30:09 <sk> I can try it now .. I have debian on a VM
Dec 31 14:30:20 <kulve> yeah, don't run xephyr inside a sb target
Dec 31 14:30:36 <sk> really?
Dec 31 14:30:39 <sk> damn
Dec 31 14:30:41 <tsavola> xephyr is an xserver, and apps (for pc or arm target) connect to it by using the DISPLAY env var
Dec 31 14:31:01 <tsavola> run xephyr outside, and set DISPLAY correctly inside sb
Dec 31 14:31:22 <tsavola> O_O
Dec 31 14:31:50 <kulve> sk: and I say this again: I hate running stuff inside the SB, there's always some issues. Instead I just compiled inside the SB, then copy to the device (usually with scp) and then run it on the device (usually from the command line while logged in with ssh)
Dec 31 14:32:03 <tsavola> sk went away
Dec 31 14:32:22 <tsavola> but so do i ->
Dec 31 14:32:56 <sk> oppz
Dec 31 14:33:17 <kulve> sk: and I say this again: I hate running stuff inside the SB, there's always some issues. Instead I just compiled inside the SB, then copy to the device (usually with scp) and then run it on the device (usually from the command line while logged in with ssh)
Dec 31 14:33:46 <sk> that makes sense, I'll probably move towards that route
Dec 31 14:33:52 <sk> I just can't even get code to compile though
Dec 31 14:33:56 <sk> that's a seperate issue
Dec 31 14:36:58 <sk> actually that's not totally true, I can compile c inside sb-arm, but not when including the gtk and hildon.h files
Dec 31 14:37:09 <sk> i can see them in the FS, but the #include<> doens't see them
Dec 31 14:37:18 <sk> its been so long since I 've done c
Dec 31 14:41:05 <sk> alright, so i invoked xeyphr from outside sb
Dec 31 14:41:28 <sk> now should I log in and execute af-sb..display=:2 stuff from sb-arm?
Dec 31 14:42:22 <eber_> first: export DISPLAY=:2
Dec 31 14:42:31 <sk> yup
Dec 31 14:42:34 <eber_> and then run af-sb-thing
Dec 31 14:42:36 <sk> yup
Dec 31 14:42:46 <sk> can i post my error here or should I use pastebin?
Dec 31 14:43:01 <sk> i'll use pastebin
Dec 31 14:44:41 <sk> www.pastebin.org/13617
Dec 31 14:47:31 <alterego> That doesn't look good.
Dec 31 14:47:51 <eber_> When i see things like "Inconsistency detected by ld.so", it doesn't feel good
Dec 31 14:48:03 <sk> heh, yeah i know
Dec 31 14:48:13 <sk> strange thing is, if i was under sdk-pc, it works ...
Dec 31 14:48:23 <eber_> maybe installation problem (scratchbox and/or SDK). Maybe you can do it again from scratch ?
Dec 31 14:48:33 <sk> ugh
Dec 31 14:48:38 <sk> it's been a real PITA
Dec 31 14:48:48 <kulve> zgrep VDSO /proc/config.gz
Dec 31 14:48:48 <kulve> CONFIG_COMPAT_VDSO=y
Dec 31 14:48:59 <sk> i think i've seen all the damn tutorials around google too
Dec 31 14:49:44 <kulve> that VDSO thing related to some inconsistency problem
Dec 31 14:49:45 <sk> don't have a proc/config.gz
Dec 31 14:49:56 <kulve> but I think it was when starting SB, not running something
Dec 31 14:50:20 <kulve> /proc/config.gz is the kernel configuration
Dec 31 14:50:23 <eber_> what is vdso ?
Dec 31 14:50:35 <sk> kulve: i dont have that file
Dec 31 14:50:47 <sk> I went through this before w/someone else, recommened I do the same thing
Dec 31 14:50:56 <kulve> sk: try running on the device
Dec 31 14:51:06 <sk> the n770? I'm at work, its at home
Dec 31 14:51:11 <sk> = [
Dec 31 14:51:40 <kulve> eber_: sorry, I don't know the details around the VDSO thing.. It just became on issue with (older?) sb and 2.6.21 kernel
Dec 31 14:52:15 <sk> maybe i've been carless about the vesions ... I have a current debian w/not sure version of sb and an n770 as the target..
Dec 31 14:52:26 <sk> is there a magic versions that works best together in this configuration.
Dec 31 14:52:39 <alterego> Well, not magick.
Dec 31 14:52:44 <kulve> sk: the latest SB should be just fine
Dec 31 14:52:48 <alterego> But the versions they use in the tutorials would be good ;)
Dec 31 14:52:52 <kulve> i.e. the latest SB components, libs, core, etc
Dec 31 14:55:22 <sk> im using all current stuff I believe and /or whatever was mentioned inthe tuts
Dec 31 14:55:47 <sk> h0va.com/index.php/Sk_dev_log
Dec 31 14:55:50 <sk> if anyone cares ...
Dec 31 14:55:59 <sk> its pretty f'n messy though
Dec 31 14:56:47 <sk> Can anyone mention a good tutorial? Maybe I haven't seen it?
Dec 31 14:57:29 <kulve> I'm using the SB the maemo installer script installed for me
Dec 31 14:58:05 <sk> I can't remember if I tried that or not, I've attempted this twice already
Dec 31 14:58:10 <sk> once on Fedora and now on debian
Dec 31 14:58:16 <sk> I may attempt again from scratch on debian
Dec 31 14:58:21 <kulve> are you using SB 0.9 -series..?
Dec 31 14:58:59 <sk> how can I query the sb version?
Dec 31 14:59:23 <kulve> I don't actually know. I just read the url you pasted
Dec 31 14:59:32 <sk> oh word..yeah im using that then i believe
Dec 31 14:59:34 <kulve> install the thing with the maemo installer script. Works nicely
Dec 31 14:59:45 <kulve> 0.9.x is ancient..
Dec 31 14:59:45 <sk> i swore i did that, its in my /scratchbox/ dir ...
Dec 31 14:59:51 <sk> maybe I'll try again
Dec 31 15:01:59 <Zic> I'm maybe blind, but where is osso-xterm in OS2008 ?
Dec 31 15:02:13 <Zic> I can't find it by default, and in maemo's repositories
Dec 31 15:02:27 <kulve> Zic: it's installed by default
Dec 31 15:02:32 <kulve> under Utilities
Dec 31 15:02:39 <kulve> I liked the old one better though
Dec 31 15:02:45 <X-Fade> menu->utilities -> scroll down :)
Dec 31 15:02:46 <Zic> it's what I'm think ... but it is not :]
Dec 31 15:02:49 <Zic> hmm
Dec 31 15:02:52 <kulve> but now I'm off for the rest of the year
Dec 31 15:03:17 <Zic> yes, I'm blind :]
Dec 31 15:03:27 <sk> heh
Dec 31 15:16:02 <Zic> their is a hack to get the old style of menu ?
Dec 31 15:30:55 <shackan> kulve: so from what I'm reading, the dsp can actually process more streams in parallel?
Dec 31 16:13:10 <Zic> heh, since I'm on OS2008, I can't connect to my GMail account
Dec 31 16:13:19 <Zic> can you, please, give me your configuration ?
Dec 31 16:13:30 <Zic> It says that "Authentification failed to pop.gmail.com"
Dec 31 16:14:28 <zoran> I think they work on port 995
Dec 31 16:14:39 <Zic> yes, it is
Dec 31 16:14:46 <zoran> socat?
Dec 31 16:14:55 <Zic> but don't want to work ...
Dec 31 16:15:07 <zoran> I use mail via getmail
Dec 31 16:15:19 <zoran> first browse itusing poppy
Dec 31 16:15:45 <zoran> and there is some fuse extension like gmailfs
Dec 31 16:16:00 <zoran> are you using browser?
Dec 31 16:16:12 <Zic> no
Dec 31 16:16:28 <zoran> what is the app?
Dec 31 16:16:49 <Zic> the mailing apps by default of OS2008
Dec 31 16:17:11 <muu> is not working with gmail
Dec 31 16:17:14 <zoran> point it to port 995
Dec 31 16:17:26 <muu> you must use 'modest' or claws-mail
Dec 31 16:17:29 <zoran> ssl?
Dec 31 16:17:35 <Zic> muu: he ? but it works in OS2007 !
Dec 31 16:17:39 <xan> Zic, is date/time correctly configured?
Dec 31 16:17:57 <Zic> zoran: yes, all it's clean, port 995, and TLS
Dec 31 16:18:08 <Zic> (not SSL, it's timeout)
Dec 31 16:18:12 <muu> oops
Dec 31 16:18:13 <Zic> xan: yes ...
Dec 31 16:18:17 <muu> i mean imap :)
Dec 31 16:18:21 <Zic> :)
Dec 31 16:18:27 <zoran> hm, why not just take getmail and fetch it?
Dec 31 16:19:00 <Zic> zoran: because I prefer a client for mailing ...
Dec 31 16:19:21 <zoran> :)
Dec 31 16:19:40 <Zic> and, it's more integrated now in OS2008, apparently
Dec 31 16:19:45 <Zic> (blue flashing on new email ...)
Dec 31 16:21:22 <zoran> smoke and all other signals?
Dec 31 16:32:40 * Cymor is back (gone 12:29:18)
Dec 31 16:41:04 <eber_> zoran: can you explain how you use poppy ?
Dec 31 16:49:12 <Cymor> Is there anything you can do to fix a 770 screen once it goes white then grey?  The device seems to be working, but the display is just a bunch of grey bars after it boots.
Dec 31 17:02:49 * DRoBeR is away: out of order
Dec 31 17:13:29 <sampbar> hello all, could you help me with a problem i am recieving while trying to upgrade my nokia 770 from 2006 to 2007he?
Dec 31 17:22:01 <sampbar> i get this error: "Sending request 0x83 failed: Cannot send after transport endpoint shutdown" when trying to flash 2007he on to the 770
Dec 31 17:45:12 <cancerbero_> someone speak spanish??
Dec 31 17:49:35 <hugolp> cancerbero_:  a bit
Dec 31 17:49:37 <hugolp> un poco chaval
Dec 31 17:49:37 <christopher> hello, i have a question concerning map (navicore) on os2008. it always crashes with error " attempt to allocate widget with width -24 and height 0"
Dec 31 17:49:53 <christopher> any ideas, i didnt find much on the net
Dec 31 17:53:55 <cancerbero_> i have a question: why n800 enduring 2g (for slot) and not more???
Dec 31 17:55:15 <Jaffa> 2G?
Dec 31 17:55:22 <christopher> as far as i know it can handle 4g per slot
Dec 31 17:55:47 <cancerbero_> 2gb
Dec 31 17:55:59 <rm_you> it can do 16g per slot
Dec 31 17:56:16 <rm_you> it supports SDHC
Dec 31 17:56:35 <Jaffa> 8GB SDHC is officially sujpported IIRC, and 16GB works too, apparently.
Dec 31 17:56:47 <rm_you> oh hey, Jaffa :P
Dec 31 17:56:58 <BuckWild> what is the best way to share files between windows and the N800 wirelessly?
Dec 31 17:56:58 <Jaffa> Should do 32GB per slot when such cards are available.
Dec 31 17:57:20 <cancerbero_> The manual appears to 2 gb
Dec 31 17:57:21 <rm_you> BuckWild: I use WinSCP
Dec 31 17:57:29 <rm_you> cancerbero_: the manual is for os2007
Dec 31 17:57:35 <cancerbero_> oooo
Dec 31 17:57:37 <Jaffa> rm_you: just got back from a pre-0000 dinner/lunch
Dec 31 17:57:54 <rm_you> :P
Dec 31 17:58:06 <cancerbero_> jajajja
Dec 31 17:58:07 <BuckWild> rm_you, ah, so you use winSCP to connect SSH to the N800 and transfer that way?
Dec 31 17:58:09 * Cymor is away: afk
Dec 31 17:58:14 <rm_you> BuckWild: yes
Dec 31 17:58:19 <BuckWild> yeah that'll work
Dec 31 17:58:25 <rm_you> it works great
Dec 31 17:58:40 <BuckWild> right now I have a headless windows box performing downloads and I want a way to transfer them off without having to connect cables
Dec 31 17:58:41 <cancerbero_> with os2008 enduring to 32 gb???
Dec 31 17:58:44 <BuckWild> I think that should work nicely
Dec 31 17:58:49 <rm_you> hrm
Dec 31 17:58:55 <rm_you> well... if the windows box is headless
Dec 31 17:59:01 <BuckWild> VNC =P
Dec 31 17:59:01 <rm_you> that could be more difficult?
Dec 31 17:59:03 <rm_you> ah
Dec 31 17:59:04 <rm_you> ok :P
Dec 31 17:59:08 <rm_you> then yeah
Dec 31 17:59:14 <BuckWild> it's great
Dec 31 17:59:16 <rm_you> headless WINDOWS!?
Dec 31 17:59:18 <rm_you> random
Dec 31 17:59:21 <BuckWild> I set the resolution to 640x480
Dec 31 17:59:30 <BuckWild> so the whole thing fits on the N800's screen
Dec 31 17:59:41 <rm_you> i still can't comprehend windows servers.... they're like... useless
Dec 31 17:59:49 <rm_you> can't even ssh into them >_>
Dec 31 17:59:50 <BuckWild> this is just for downloading
Dec 31 17:59:54 <BuckWild> utorrent, etc.
Dec 31 17:59:59 <rm_you> i run utorrent in wine ;P
Dec 31 18:00:03 <BuckWild> I mean, I thought about installing linux
Dec 31 18:00:14 <rm_you> also, rtorrent works excellently headless
Dec 31 18:00:17 <BuckWild> but I might eventually end up putting media center on the computer and hooking it up to my TV
Dec 31 18:00:27 <rm_you> have it set up to auto open and DL any torrent files in a samba shared directory
Dec 31 18:00:29 <BuckWild> or mythTV
Dec 31 18:00:30 <BuckWild> hehe
Dec 31 18:00:35 <rm_you> so i shove torrents and it DLs them
Dec 31 18:00:41 <BuckWild> oh
Dec 31 18:00:42 <BuckWild> wow
Dec 31 18:00:44 <rm_you> yeah, mythTV wins :P
Dec 31 18:00:47 <BuckWild> yeah, that's a nice setup
Dec 31 18:00:58 <BuckWild> what's funnier is I actually run linux on my main two computers
Dec 31 18:01:01 <rm_you> lol
Dec 31 18:01:11 <BuckWild> I'm running linux right now
Dec 31 18:01:12 <BuckWild> haha
Dec 31 18:01:39 <BuckWild> I have a windows partition for games, but I hardly ever even boot into it
Dec 31 18:02:06 <rm_you> I have four computers in my dorm room... a mythTV box, a file server running old ubuntu (i'm slacking on updating... breezy >_>), a dualboot box for gaming and work, and my n800 :P
Dec 31 18:02:31 <rm_you> oh, err... 5, cause i have a tabletPC too, also for work
Dec 31 18:02:58 <rm_you> but that one doesn't run linux at all, so it doesn't really count ^_^
Dec 31 18:03:33 <rm_you> do you have a build environment set up for chinook?
Dec 31 18:03:46 <rm_you> i need someone else to try to compile armel mplayer
Dec 31 18:03:59 <rm_you> and see if it gives the same ridiculous errors i'm getting
Dec 31 18:04:29 <rm_you> i have a theory about fixing a2dp+alsa playback, but i can't get it to build, with or without my patch <_
Dec 31 18:04:30 <rm_you> <_<
Dec 31 18:05:35 * Jaffa just created a Windows partition on my main box for the first time, solely to play Half Life 2 and Portal
Dec 31 18:08:14 <rm_you> heh
Dec 31 18:08:47 <rm_you> portal wins.
Dec 31 18:09:54 <Jaffa> Finished the main non-gbonus levels yesterday. I want more, it's *soooo* cool.
Dec 31 18:10:29 <Jaffa> I'm not much of a gamer but that, and Burnout 3 were killer games for me.
Dec 31 18:11:37 <ssvb> rm_you: you can run 'make deb-n8x0' to compile mplayer
Dec 31 18:12:00 <rm_you> ah, not the normal dpkg-build thing?
Dec 31 18:13:06 <rm_you> Portal was pretty much the best game i've played ever,.
Dec 31 18:13:34 <truent> lol you obviously never played air-bud on nintendo.
Dec 31 18:15:08 <e-squizo> folks... anybody knows whether there are ALSA bindings for python on maemo?
Dec 31 18:15:16 <rm_you> ssvb: wahg... this is trying to dpkg-source it again and unpack a clean copy... but i am trying to apply my own patch
Dec 31 18:16:45 <ssvb> rm_you: it is normal dpkg-build, except that you need to set target device via environment variable 'DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=n8x0 dpkg-buildpackage ...'
Dec 31 18:16:49 <rm_you> also, that fails as well
Dec 31 18:17:57 <ssvb> rm_you: did you install libmad and theora develoment packages?
Dec 31 18:18:12 <rm_you> i did apt-get build-dep mplayer
Dec 31 18:18:14 <rm_you> and i believe it did, yes
Dec 31 18:18:41 <rm_you> the errors it is throwing are about assembly instructions not being available
Dec 31 18:19:45 <ssvb> rm_you: such errors show up if mplayer is built with incorrect  -mcpu option
Dec 31 18:19:52 <rm_you> hrm
Dec 31 18:19:59 <rm_you> how do i set that correctly?
Dec 31 18:20:05 <ssvb> rm_you: did you really run 'make deb-n8x0' to compile it?
Dec 31 18:20:13 <rm_you> yes
Dec 31 18:20:20 <rm_you> just now
Dec 31 18:20:23 <rm_you> not the first time
Dec 31 18:20:26 <rm_you> but they both failed
Dec 31 18:21:52 <rm_you> -mcpu=arm1136jf-s
Dec 31 18:21:55 <rm_you> is that right?
Dec 31 18:22:04 <ssvb> yes
Dec 31 18:22:53 <rm_you> well, it's working the third way
Dec 31 18:23:05 <rm_you> DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=n8x0 dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b
Dec 31 18:25:40 <BuckWild> rm_you, can't you get a VM with the environment already intact?
Dec 31 18:25:47 <BuckWild> I wish they'd release that for virtualbox too
Dec 31 18:25:49 <BuckWild> but whatevs
Dec 31 18:25:55 <BuckWild> I think the player is free
Dec 31 18:30:15 <Jaffa> VMware Server and Player are both free-to-use
Dec 31 18:33:31 <BuckWild> yeah
Dec 31 18:33:46 <BuckWild> workstation isn't tho, which is the only thing I would need to use really
Dec 31 18:33:54 <BuckWild> virtualbox is free tho, so whatever
Dec 31 18:46:04 <meierei> ,/xchat_2.6.4-2_armel.deb  has no fullscreen  ?
Dec 31 18:51:34 <Mousey> you got it working!?
Dec 31 18:51:49 <deejoe> so, hmmm.
Dec 31 18:51:51 <Mousey> wait, nm. i haven't tried hard enuff yet. sry
Dec 31 18:52:13 <deejoe> I seem not to have saved the password I entered when I installed openssh-server on my n800 under OS2008
Dec 31 18:52:40 <deejoe> is there any reasonable way to get root now, short of reflashing?
Dec 31 18:54:14 <meierei> sudo  gainroot from xterm
Dec 31 18:55:46 <deejoe> is there a default password for the 'user' account?
Dec 31 18:56:48 <meierei> frgot
Dec 31 19:00:59 <meierei> deejoe,  can u use xterm?
Dec 31 19:01:30 <deejoe> yes
Dec 31 19:01:51 <meierei> try sudo gainroot
Dec 31 19:02:05 <deejoe> I did.  it prompts for a password.
Dec 31 19:02:10 <meierei> ok
Dec 31 19:02:17 <deejoe> no, wait.
Dec 31 19:02:18 <meierei> mine doesnt
Dec 31 19:02:24 <deejoe> hold on
Dec 31 19:02:51 <deejoe> cal_read_block(r&d_mode): size zero, block not found?
Dec 31 19:03:00 <deejoe> Enable RD mode if you want to break your device
Dec 31 19:03:40 <deejoe> that's the error I get.
Dec 31 19:03:44 <meierei> hmm
Dec 31 19:04:00 <deejoe> googling suggests "flasher-3.0 –enable-rd-mode –reboot"
Dec 31 19:04:12 <deejoe> I've got flasher on my laptop at home, I *might* try that.
Dec 31 19:04:17 <deejoe> though I'm leary of RD mode.
Dec 31 19:04:23 <meierei> that can worrk
Dec 31 19:04:24 <deejoe> I might just flash the whole thing.
Dec 31 19:04:29 <deejoe> again.
Dec 31 19:05:01 <meierei> duno   gainroot  from xterm     google becomeroot
Dec 31 19:05:13 <meierei> !becomeroot
Dec 31 19:05:25 <meierei> stupid bot
Dec 31 19:07:45 <oil_> happy new year 2551 to everyone. let the new year be good for the maemo development. let there be a lot of new features, new releases and free internet connection.
Dec 31 19:08:05 * Vulcanis wants aircrack ported for that very reason
Dec 31 19:08:52 <oil_> stability of the platform, bug fixes for existing problems and maps of thailand.
Dec 31 19:10:30 <meierei> frohes neues
Dec 31 19:12:00 <deejoe> meierei: success!  thank you.
Dec 31 19:13:42 <meierei> yw  :>
Dec 31 19:17:17 <sampbar> just incase anybody saw my post earlier - ive managed to sort it
Dec 31 19:17:28 <sampbar> am now running 2007he on 770 :D
Dec 31 19:17:58 <meierei> on mmc?
Dec 31 19:18:49 <sampbar> nope flashed straight onto the 770 i believe
Dec 31 19:19:18 <sampbar> ended up using the mac gui flasher utility in the end instead of ubuntu
Dec 31 19:19:50 <Jaffa> cool, glad it worked for you ;-)
Dec 31 19:19:50 <sampbar> is there a list of good repo's some where?
Dec 31 19:20:08 <Jaffa> http://www.gronmayer.com/it/
Dec 31 19:20:26 <sampbar> ah... Thanks! thats the one i found earlier but lost :D
Dec 31 19:20:31 <mrgusernewbie> Tets
Dec 31 19:20:43 * Jaffa would improve the Mac GUI flasher if he still had his Mac
Dec 31 19:21:28 <sampbar> Jaffa, you could pick up an old g3 on ebay for £40 or so? or try freecycle
Dec 31 19:21:44 <sampbar> seemed to work ok for me though
Dec 31 19:22:41 <Jaffa> Yeah, but I did it with Platypus and wanted to learn ObjectiveC. Sold my Mac mini, tho
Dec 31 19:22:55 <sampbar> ah ok
Dec 31 19:24:03 <Jaffa> still, keeping it online and it being useful contributes towards acceptance in device programmes, so it's always good to hear it's proved useful :-)
Dec 31 19:24:24 <sampbar> just gotta install flash, canola and pidgin now :)
Dec 31 19:24:46 <sampbar> Jaffa, yeah def. useful trying to use the linux flasher kept giving me errors
Dec 31 19:26:34 <sampbar> and cant forget to install maemo mapper
Dec 31 19:34:38 <p|> hello
Dec 31 19:34:53 <p|> does exists rdiff-backup for os2008 ?
Dec 31 19:35:31 <Mousey> hi, is there an app somewhere that'll rotate my wallpapers?
Dec 31 19:37:51 <macluvjay> kulve: you suggested that I disable life guard
Dec 31 19:38:02 <macluvjay> with the linux flasher
Dec 31 19:38:24 <macluvjay> i don't see any swith for that
Dec 31 19:38:30 <macluvjay> switch*
Dec 31 20:15:36 <blithe> Is there an irc client for OS2008 yet?
Dec 31 20:15:46 <blithe> I can't seem to find one on maemo.org
Dec 31 20:18:11 <blithe> Or if there's a repo that has xchat for it...
Dec 31 20:18:12 * blithe shrugs
Dec 31 20:18:14 <astro76> http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/
Dec 31 20:20:06 <blithe> Thanks astro76.
Dec 31 20:20:10 * blithe smiles
Dec 31 20:28:50 <Mousey> ty
Dec 31 20:32:07 <Mousey> what awesomeness
Dec 31 20:38:19 <hahlo> what program i need os2007 to get dpkg-reconfigure working?
Dec 31 20:52:50 <evangineer> hey there, anybody on here played with Garnet VM yet?
Dec 31 20:54:00 <evangineer> I'm wondering if anyone has managed to get Garnet VM running on an Internet Tablet to sync with a linux desktop using J-Pilot?
Dec 31 20:55:30 * evangineer reads the internettablettalk forums while waiting for a response
Dec 31 20:56:17 <GAN800> repository.maemo.org seem to be working again for anybody else?
Dec 31 21:02:25 <tank-man> evangineer, are you using os2008? garnet vm doesnt work for me
Dec 31 21:06:28 <evangineer> I don't have a tablet yet, but I might get one if garnet vm does the stuff I need it to do.  tank-man, you probably need to install the binary for the N810 as that will have been built for os2008.
Dec 31 21:12:13 <tank-man> i might try that
Dec 31 21:30:27 <eido> hey folks, asked this a while ago, but i figure the N810 noise is burbling pretty strong.  Has anyone come up with a Bluetooth handsfree profile for the N810 - meaning the nokia functions as a headset to a bluetooth phone?  My ideas is to use the N810 as my primary audio device, listening to music, and using it to answer the phone if a call comes in.
Dec 31 21:31:46 <GAN800> Not that I know of.
Dec 31 21:31:47 <Mousey> that's cool
Dec 31 21:32:31 <milhouse> isn't it easier to pick up the phone?
Dec 31 21:33:09 <Mousey> it would have to support HSP
Dec 31 21:33:11 <Mousey> i guess
Dec 31 21:33:16 <Mousey> or HFP, not really sure
Dec 31 21:34:59 <Mousey> ok, [after reading more] the least you'd want is HSP, but you ought to shoot for HFP cuz then u could dial too
Dec 31 21:35:16 * Mousey shuts up
Dec 31 21:35:33 <Mousey> wow that would be a cool app
Dec 31 21:36:12 * |R wishes there was HFP support
Dec 31 21:38:07 <Mousey> isn't bluetooth a stack? since the hw already has it, someone could theoretically just write it, right?
Dec 31 21:38:30 <sampbar> wooh! have installed skype and is working on my 770
Dec 31 21:41:21 <eido> yah, everytime i bring this up, someone goes "that would be cool" but doesn't exist.  I may have to get a-codin :)
Dec 31 21:43:16 <Mousey> are you kidding? an HFP app? with a little dialpad and everything? it'd truely be a unlocked/any network cellphone then. ;)
Dec 31 21:44:00 <eido> well, only if you had a network connection to work from :)
Dec 31 21:44:10 <eido> that's the idea of having a dopey bt enabled cell phone stashed in your backpack.
Dec 31 21:45:31 <Mousey> well by "any network" i meant any -cell- network, but yah
Dec 31 22:44:15 <unique311> Hows the future treating those who celebrated new years already?
Dec 31 23:02:34 <kulve> Day changed to 01 Jan 2008
Dec 31 23:03:21 <unique311> cool
Dec 31 23:03:33 <unique311> kulve, hows the future?
Dec 31 23:03:36 <unique311> any changes
Dec 31 23:05:11 <Luria> hey, are there any .doc viewers on os 2008?
Dec 31 23:06:01 <Luria> kinda need one - in a bit of a pinch
Dec 31 23:06:23 <astro76> not sure if abiword is available yet
Dec 31 23:07:01 <Luria> hmm last i checked, no
Dec 31 23:07:15 <Luria> damn
Dec 31 23:07:21 <astro76> use google docs
Jan 01 00:02:08 <skibur> anybody have KDE on their N800 or N810?
Jan 01 00:03:25 <sampbar> happy new year all
Jan 01 00:03:51 <jga23> is there anyway to simulate the alt button in xterm on the 810?
Jan 01 00:11:29 <sp3000> hello world
Jan 01 00:11:50 <sp3000> was there some sort of consensus on the last part of /topic being obsolete, yet?
Jan 01 00:14:15 * sp3000 could just go to town with wget and forge a consensus all his own
Jan 01 00:14:31 <sp3000> also, happy y++ all
Jan 01 00:14:32 <ReverseGTR> sp3k: consensus on what?
Jan 01 00:15:47 <sp3000> on repository and its caching having stopped the suck
Jan 01 00:18:53 <bvsciguy> Why isn't modest labled in the "start menu", as modest but just Email?
Jan 01 00:19:13 <ReverseGTR> sp3k: stopped the suck? do u mean stop sucking :)
Jan 01 00:19:20 <sp3000> yes :)
Jan 01 00:19:27 <Mousey> ...and how do you get Modest to flash the little envelope in the corner, or make the led go blinky?
Jan 01 00:19:41 <sp3000> Mousey: it's been prone to doing that just fine for me
Jan 01 00:20:00 <sp3000> (even when I've turned it off, but I think djcb says that should be fixed now)
Jan 01 00:20:21 <ReverseGTR> btw, in other news a bunch of iPod touch owners are awaiting their SIP-VOIP app to be ready to download in 1 hour
Jan 01 00:20:43 <Mousey> sp3000: oh? so if i go under the little people icon and click view email it'll take me to modest too?
Jan 01 00:20:49 * Mousey switches
Jan 01 00:21:01 <sp3000> Mousey: no, I don't think it integrates there, yet
Jan 01 00:21:09 <sp3000> but the event stuff seemed to
Jan 01 00:21:23 <Mousey> well i just did apt-get upgrade and it was part, i should check it again anyway
Jan 01 00:22:07 <ReverseGTR> sp3k: btw, does the N810 have a software update client or does it only work through the terminal?
Jan 01 00:22:08 <sp3000> you'll probably want to scan through some of the latests posts on http://djcbflux.blogspot.com/
Jan 01 00:22:19 <ReverseGTR> I mean OS2k8
Jan 01 00:22:37 <Mousey> it has a software update client gui type. but i use apt-get upgrade anyway
Jan 01 00:23:13 * Mousey does too
Jan 01 00:23:16 <ReverseGTR> Mousey: awesome, thanks
Jan 01 00:23:17 <sp3000> ReverseGTR: OS2008 has the app manager stuff which will give you updates to things that people upload updates for
Jan 01 00:26:07 <Mousey> ReverseGTR: what sp3000 said
Jan 01 00:27:29 <ReverseGTR> ok like Fedora thx :)
Jan 01 00:33:40 <ReverseGTR> I know I sound like a n00b when it comes to linux and truth be told I am. But I do use Yellow Dog Linux, which is based on Fedora from time to time and I just wanted to know how much different OS2008 is different from it.
Jan 01 00:35:27 <sk> i was using fedora for the last like 5 years
Jan 01 00:35:38 <sk> its pretty good
Jan 01 00:35:47 <sk> but setting up the dev env on it for the n770 blowzzz
Jan 01 00:35:52 <sk> so i switched to debian
Jan 01 00:36:03 <Mousey> i use fedora at work, if it wasn't for yum it'd be hopeless.. debian is better, but fedora is Good Enough(tm)
Jan 01 00:36:10 <sk> heh
Jan 01 00:36:11 <sk> yeah
Jan 01 00:36:21 <sk> i use mac osx for most stuff
Jan 01 00:36:24 <sk> at work and shit
Jan 01 00:36:50 <Mousey> what walled garden wondefulness
Jan 01 00:36:54 <sk> xp/fedora VMs
Jan 01 00:37:00 <sk> when needed
Jan 01 00:37:00 <sk> hehe
Jan 01 00:37:08 <sk> eer debian
Jan 01 00:37:17 <sk> which im reinstalling now, going for a fresh attack on this SDK shit
Jan 01 00:37:22 <sk> what a pain this has been
Jan 01 00:37:22 <Mousey> i haven't used windows in a decade. =)
Jan 01 00:37:33 <Mousey> can u believe it's been 10 years since 98?
Jan 01 00:37:39 <sk> crazy!
Jan 01 00:39:24 <ReverseGTR> Mousey: Well I currently use XP but I am not too interested to move onto Vista except for DirectX 10 and am looking for an easy but affordable way out. Which is why I like Linux and ecspecially distros based on Fedora as it seems to be a bit more user friendly for configuring graphics, add/removing programs and network settings.
Jan 01 00:40:34 <ReverseGTR> I would blow off Vista entirely if OpenGL gets any easy to program physics engine and many game desigers take advantage of it. :)
Jan 01 00:40:50 <Mousey> ReverseGTR: well, truth be told, all distros are the same, even binarily [well, on the same architecture, armle != x86], so all the differences you might see between Debian and Fedora and the lot..
Jan 01 00:41:02 <Mousey> Xorg.conf is Xorg.conf in every distro
Jan 01 00:42:02 <Mousey> ReverseGTR: and i'm pretty sure PhysX isn't tied to a given 3d API
Jan 01 00:42:11 <ReverseGTR> Mousey: I always thought there are slight variations in compiling and other hardware commands?
Jan 01 00:43:10 <Mousey> there can be, but it doesn't change that they're all the same. the packages they're in might be different [deb's, vs RPM's, vs tar balls], but inside they're the same.. it only gets messy because each disto picks different package naming and dependency schemes
Jan 01 00:43:11 <shackan> what the heck does openGL have to do with physics ?
Jan 01 00:43:49 <Mousey> shackan: Wintendo addiciton ;)
Jan 01 00:44:10 * Mousey alienates himself..
Jan 01 00:44:14 * Mousey goes to lurk instead!
Jan 01 00:44:20 <ReverseGTR> shackan: DIrectX 10 bundles in an physics engine which many games like World in Conflict and Bioshock exclusively work on
Jan 01 00:44:40 <shackan> well, screw games, anyway
Jan 01 00:45:01 <ReverseGTR> shakan: I guess I can always rely on Sony and Nintendo for alternatives
Jan 01 00:46:09 <ReverseGTR> I just wish someone updated OpenGL's source without making it their own like Sony did with the PS3 in order to better able compete with DirectX as a whole
Jan 01 00:48:21 <ReverseGTR> also without a good physics engine future GUIs that can use multi-touch and 3D icons will be out of reach to be powered on OpenGL. I know most of you don't really think GUIs need to evolve anymore but it would be cool if it did happen it could be done in a way in which one company doesn't exclusively controll it.
Jan 01 00:48:46 <Mousey> opengl is at 3.0
Jan 01 00:50:14 <p|> anyone know if exists rdiff-backup for os2008 ?
Jan 01 00:50:37 <Mousey> isn't that just a python script?
Jan 01 00:53:06 <ReverseGTR> Mousey: as far as I know OpenGL 3.x is still MIA and unlike Dx10 they are not re-releasing any specs to GPU manufacturers.
Jan 01 00:53:51 <Mousey> huh?
Jan 01 00:53:56 <Mousey> http://www.osnews.com/story.php/18446/OpenGL-3-Announced/
Jan 01 00:55:42 <ReverseGTR> but I guess that is because Open GL is not firmware dependent as Dx10 which is designed to be dependent on it. Anyways according to this they are back to the drawingboards for 3.0: http://www.opengl.org/discussion_boards/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=231809&fpart=1
Jan 01 00:55:50 <p|> Mousey, i don't know :)
Jan 01 00:56:34 <Mousey> p
Jan 01 00:56:57 <Mousey> p|: yea, it's just a python script. i don't know what all it depends on, but i can't imagine it'd be that hard to get working on an nseries
Jan 01 01:00:59 <ReverseGTR> the N series OS sounds better everyday I log on here
Jan 01 01:04:43 <ReverseGTR> Mousey and shakan: I guess you're both right in that I shouldn't care about gaming when choosing a next primary OS. In the mean time though concerning computer gaming maybe I should root for this business: http://www.fallingleafsystems.com/
Jan 01 01:05:47 <ReverseGTR> at least until OpenGL 3.0 is officially out
Jan 01 01:06:40 * ReverseGTR ok everyone you can chat amongst yourselves now :P 
Jan 01 01:11:03 * sp3000 got 49/49 debs off repository fine
Jan 01 01:11:14 <ReverseGTR> yay!?
Jan 01 01:12:49 * sp3000 pulls another random 100MB
Jan 01 01:14:30 <sp3000> hm, these other dirs aren't that big
Jan 01 01:16:08 <sp3000> 115/115 says it's fine here
Jan 01 01:24:59 <ReverseGTR> sp3k: how does a repo work on the host end, is it like an ftp site?
Jan 01 01:26:29 <sp3000> apt supports a few methods, http is the one commonly used
Jan 01 01:29:23 <ReverseGTR> sp3k: is bittorrent one of them?
Jan 01 01:33:01 <sp3000> not that I know of
Jan 01 01:39:12 <Nichod> Anyone know why an application will install, but upon attempting start, the application loading comes up then goes away, and no application actually loads
Jan 01 01:39:45 <celesteh> passive agrression
Jan 01 01:41:33 <celesteh> um, the application is screwed up.
Jan 01 01:42:06 <celesteh> are you in red pill mode?
Jan 01 01:42:32 <Nichod> No.
Jan 01 01:43:05 <celesteh> hm, well, the answer is that something is wrong with the app.
Jan 01 01:43:13 <sp3000> reboot and sacrifice two goats?
Jan 01 01:43:18 <celesteh> or one of the libraries that it depends upon
Jan 01 01:43:24 <celesteh> yeah, rebooting is a good idea
Jan 01 01:43:39 <celesteh> but if you want to know what to do about it, aside from rebooting
Jan 01 01:43:42 <sp3000> are you implyign sacrificing two goats is not?
Jan 01 01:43:53 <Nichod> Tried reboot logical first thing.
Jan 01 01:43:57 <celesteh> i would sacrifice tofu instead . . .
Jan 01 01:44:14 <celesteh> you could erase it and try to re-install
Jan 01 01:44:23 <celesteh> are other people able to get the app to work?
Jan 01 01:44:54 <Nichod> Weird both nicotine and pygtkeditor
Jan 01 01:45:04 <Nichod> Yeah they are.
Jan 01 01:45:25 <celesteh> do other apps work?  your OS could be corrupted or something
Jan 01 01:46:08 <celesteh> do those apps share a dependancy?
Jan 01 01:46:15 <Nichod> On my nokia noow
Jan 01 01:46:28 <celesteh> moo?
Jan 01 01:46:43 <Nichod> Not sure. Don't believe they do.
Jan 01 01:47:18 <celesteh> if you have a whole bunch of apps screwing up, you might want to reflash the device
Jan 01 01:49:04 <Nichod> Just two. Installed others afterwards and they worked fine
Jan 01 01:49:17 <ReverseGTR> Nichod: how did download the app?
Jan 01 01:50:19 <ReverseGTR> also what kind of package did you download it as, a .tar or binary?
Jan 01 01:50:56 <Nichod> The pygtkeditorr was from website. Nicotine from  maemo via  install link.
Jan 01 01:51:06 <Nichod> Deb
Jan 01 01:55:08 <ReverseGTR> Nichod: unistall the current gtkeditor, then find and download the gtkeditor from a different website. I also found this little tidbit that states Gtkeditor is obsolete according to GNU organization: http://www.gnu.org/software/gtkeditor/
Jan 01 01:57:18 <Nichod> Gooddiie
Jan 01 01:59:50 <Nichod> Just want a good clean easy editor
Jan 01 02:00:34 <e-squizo> Happy New Year
Jan 01 02:00:50 <deejoe> Happy New Year to y'all in .br
Jan 01 02:09:52 <ReverseGTR> happy new year to u too.
Jan 01 02:09:56 <ReverseGTR> ciaou
Jan 01 02:21:36 <acydlord> happy new years
Jan 01 02:21:50 <acydlord> don't drink and derive
Jan 01 02:52:49 <alterego> Happy new year :)
Jan 01 02:52:55 * alterego sleeps
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