**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jan 02 02:59:57 2008
Jan 02 03:00:08 <unique311> but you should try to os2007 version.
Jan 02 03:00:49 <rm_you> omg! videos play with a2dp, and no lag! AMAZING
Jan 02 03:02:30 <salty> where is the repository list in maemo?
Jan 02 03:06:44 <legind> which OS?
Jan 02 03:10:08 <salty> 2008
Jan 02 03:12:41 <legind> /etc/apt/sources.list.d/holdon-application-manager.list
Jan 02 03:12:49 <legind> er hildon not holdon
Jan 02 03:16:25 <Dist> rm_you: a2dp in what?
Jan 02 03:16:41 <rm_you> mplayer/os2008
Jan 02 03:17:01 <Dist> repo?
Jan 02 03:17:56 <rm_you> i just packaged up a deb...
Jan 02 03:18:06 <rm_you> http://cs.trinity.edu/~aharwell/mplayer_1.0rc1-maemo.24.n8x0_armel_bufftime.deb
Jan 02 03:18:41 <Dist> How should a2dp work actually? =D
Jan 02 03:19:21 <Dist> Just use the current pairing or does it need something else?
Jan 02 03:20:41 <rm_you> follow johnx's instructions here, steps 0-4: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=111634&postcount=1
Jan 02 03:21:09 <rm_you> and then follow my instructions here: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=119070&postcount=42
Jan 02 03:21:54 <rm_you> the important part are the two changes to the mplayer config
Jan 02 03:22:06 <rm_you> err... in my post. since i didn't really number them
Jan 02 03:23:55 <Dist> Hmm, I have a few hours to sleep so I will do that now. =D
Jan 02 03:24:03 <rm_you> :P tell me how that works for you
Jan 02 03:24:05 <Dist> But I'll check on those when I wake up
Jan 02 03:24:06 <rm_you> working nicely here
Jan 02 03:24:15 <rm_you> kk
Jan 02 03:28:12 <Dist> oh btw, delay=0.2 is very likely something that's going to be changing every time you connect. Atleast on other platforms it varies a lot for me.. That's really REALLY annoying..
Jan 02 03:30:59 <rm_you> yeah >_>
Jan 02 03:31:05 <rm_you> it's kinda annoying
Jan 02 03:31:08 <rm_you> but better than nothing
Jan 02 03:31:36 <rm_you> though i didn't have that issue on 2007, when i had videos "semi" working with a2dp
Jan 02 03:32:54 <rm_you> and i really think it has more to do with the initialization time on the video, meaning small low quality videos like yotube rips will need 0 delay, wheras my very high quality (1200ish bitrate) 30 minute videos need something like 0.4
Jan 02 03:33:15 <rm_you> just based on the testing i've done so far
Jan 02 03:34:16 <blast007> unique311: I tried to install a version of synergy for Maemo, and it said it was incompatible
Jan 02 03:34:22 <blast007> so I'll try building my own
Jan 02 03:35:56 <blahdeblah> Does anyone know whether you can or should remove the default screen protector when installing a new one?  Mine is already looking scratched after only 2 days of use.
Jan 02 03:36:13 <rm_you> which model?
Jan 02 03:36:23 <blahdeblah> I just realised i didn't say that.  N800
Jan 02 03:36:37 <rm_you> people keep talking about a screen protector, but i've never been able to tell if i had one or not
Jan 02 03:36:42 <rm_you> i don't think my n800 has one <_<
Jan 02 03:36:57 <blahdeblah> Mine is clearly visible at the edges of the screen.  It came preinstalled
Jan 02 03:37:02 <rm_you> hrm
Jan 02 03:37:23 <rm_you> well... i bought mine used... so maybe the original owner took it off for me?
Jan 02 03:37:49 <rm_you> i don't think it is there, and if it is, it doesn't scratch at all and i certainly can't tell :P
Jan 02 03:37:53 <blahdeblah> Maybe.  Mine also had a little tab/catch thingy attached to it, presumably to make it possible to remove it.
Jan 02 03:38:26 <rm_you> well then, if i assume mine has been removed... then yes, it is possible to remove it, and the actual screen doesn't appear to scratch :P
Jan 02 03:38:39 <blahdeblah> I'd rather not take that risk...
Jan 02 03:38:49 <rm_you> yeah, i probably wouldn't either :/
Jan 02 03:39:04 <rm_you> when did you buy yours?
Jan 02 03:39:25 <blahdeblah> I bought a couple of protectors in a separate auction when i got my N800 - just before Christmas.
Jan 02 03:39:32 <rm_you> mine is about 6 months old, at least... so maybe they changed how they do screen protectors?
Jan 02 03:39:38 <blahdeblah> Perhaps
Jan 02 03:39:43 <shack008n> i kept it on, but ironically the plastik of this 'protector' scratches veery easily, it become ugly soon
Jan 02 03:40:02 <blahdeblah> shack008n: yeah - that's what i'm finding.
Jan 02 03:40:23 <blahdeblah> I only got my N800 in the mail on NYE, and after 2 days of off/on use it's rather ugly.
Jan 02 03:41:03 <shack008n> it's not supposed to be a screen protector in fact :)
Jan 02 03:41:17 <rm_you> heh... i use my fingernail 99% of the time on mine, and i use it probably a good hour or two minimum every day, and have for the past 3-4 months
Jan 02 03:41:18 <blahdeblah> shack008n: What is it - just a cover?
Jan 02 03:41:32 <blahdeblah> i.e. for dust?
Jan 02 03:41:39 <rm_you> it's prolly just one of those plastic covers like on new cell phones/watches :P
Jan 02 03:42:11 <shack008n> yeah, that's why they package it with the label to quickly peel it off
Jan 02 03:43:06 <shack008n> the screen doesn't scratch tough(but i'm very careful too)
Jan 02 03:43:27 <blahdeblah> Hmmm.  Sounds like it's time to break out the real (3rd party) screen protectors
Jan 02 03:43:30 <rm_you> yeah, i use the soft case that came with it ALL THE TIME
Jan 02 03:43:50 <rm_you> but i just shove it in my pocket :P
Jan 02 03:44:06 <rm_you> no issues so far with that
Jan 02 03:44:17 <shack008n> unfortunately it's a bit too big in my pocket
Jan 02 03:44:44 <rm_you> i have cargo pants <_< i went over this a few days ago, lol
Jan 02 03:45:09 <shack008n> ah that was you...
Jan 02 03:45:11 <rm_you> a pocket for cables and GPS puck, a pocket for earbuds and bluetooth keyboard, and a pocket for n800 :P
Jan 02 03:45:26 <shack008n> yah i remember
Jan 02 03:45:46 <rm_you> lol
Jan 02 03:45:55 <rm_you> i hope i don't become "cargo pants guy" :P
Jan 02 03:46:33 <rm_you> would much rather be "mplayer a2dp video guy"
Jan 02 03:47:14 <shack008n> you just kind of declared yourself as such now :p
Jan 02 03:47:18 <rm_you> lol
Jan 02 03:47:40 <rm_you> mmm 3 hours of battery on constant bluetooth + video
Jan 02 03:47:42 <rm_you> not bad
Jan 02 03:48:00 <shack008n> bt is cheap
Jan 02 03:48:19 <rm_you> yeah it's mostly the near 100% cpu usable for video + a2dp encoding
Jan 02 03:48:30 <unique311> blast07, it should build without any problems.
Jan 02 03:48:42 <shack008n> i'd like to use only that here since my pc is just 5mt from here
Jan 02 03:49:11 <blast007> unique311: yup, it did, now to test it  ;)
Jan 02 03:49:15 <shack008n> i need a decent tool to setup pan first
Jan 02 03:49:21 <unique311> i guess when i build quicksynergy for os2008, i'll also include synergy with it.
Jan 02 03:49:21 <rm_you> heh
Jan 02 03:49:30 <rm_you> i kinda wonder if networking over bluetooth works
Jan 02 03:50:00 <rm_you> that would be cool, cause i don't have a wireless router all the time, but i always have my other tablet, which has wired and bluetooth
Jan 02 03:50:06 <unique311> blast007,  quicksynergy is a gui frontend for synergy.
Jan 02 03:50:14 <blast007> ah
Jan 02 04:04:27 <rm_you> anyone know how to check my n800's cpu speed?
Jan 02 04:04:41 <rm_you> /proc/cpuinfo doesn't seem to have that info for some reason <_<
Jan 02 04:09:54 <shack008n> rm_you: if you tell me how to paste a line of text from gmail i can tell you
Jan 02 04:10:25 <rm_you> :(
Jan 02 04:10:35 <rm_you> function -> copy?
Jan 02 04:10:50 <rm_you> the little button on the bottom left
Jan 02 04:11:45 <shack008n> yeah but the message itself is not editable, so no vkbd
Jan 02 04:11:52 <shack008n> anyway,
Jan 02 04:11:53 <shack008n> cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq
Jan 02 04:12:40 <rm_you> tap and hold for the alt-menu?
Jan 02 04:12:55 <shack008n> and pasting deosn't fucking work in ssh, grrrr
Jan 02 04:13:13 <rm_you> ? it doesnt?
Jan 02 04:13:37 <shack008n> not here (2008beta)
Jan 02 04:14:04 <rm_you> >_>
Jan 02 04:14:12 <rm_you> still running beta?
Jan 02 04:14:36 <shack008n> heh, waiting for the repos to get back
Jan 02 04:14:48 <rm_you> just do the quick fix
Jan 02 04:15:35 <rm_you> echo 62.61.85.32 repository.maemo.org >> /etc/hosts
Jan 02 04:16:15 <shack008n> yeah, i know
Jan 02 04:16:38 <shack008n> does restore actually work btw?
Jan 02 04:16:57 <rm_you> never tried it myself
Jan 02 04:17:07 <rm_you> i just copy my user folder onto an SD
Jan 02 04:17:08 <shack008n> reinstalling everything would really screw me off
Jan 02 04:17:13 <rm_you> eh
Jan 02 04:17:16 <rm_you> it's not too bad...
Jan 02 04:17:30 <Fang64> I take it nokia isn't bad from vacation?
Jan 02 04:17:33 <rm_you> you could always try it, and report back :P
Jan 02 04:17:35 <Fang64> back*
Jan 02 04:17:37 <Fang64> lol
Jan 02 04:17:41 <rm_you> and if it doesn't, just reflash again
Jan 02 04:17:54 <rm_you> Fang64: apparently not >_> kinda ridiculous
Jan 02 04:18:57 <shack008n> yeah, they sold so many units for xmas and now most of those people can't do anything with them
Jan 02 08:40:52 <Blafasel> I really don't understand the Nokia product page(s). Where am I supposed to see if the N810 supports 3G/UMTS?
Jan 02 08:41:41 <tsavola> you're supposed to know that a priori
Jan 02 08:41:56 <tsavola> (it doesn't support those)
Jan 02 08:44:00 <Blafasel> Okay, I'm more and more clueless, obviously. I partly blame that on the fact that I found out about the device mere days ago.. ;) Right now it seems that the device isn't a phone at all (again, the Nokia pages suck here) or only for GSM at best?
Jan 02 08:45:08 <onion> Blafasel: it's not a phone so no GSM, 3G, etc...
Jan 02 08:46:08 <onion> Blafasel: you can connect with wlan or with a bluetooth enabled phone
Jan 02 08:46:30 <Blafasel> Thanks for pointing that out. So the only "phone" like capabilities are the skype/gtalk etc. software solutions? Sad.
Jan 02 08:46:45 <tsavola> yep
Jan 02 08:47:06 <Blafasel> onion: Naa.. Defies the whole purpose. ;) I do have a decent 3G phone, carrying both makes no sense. Thanks a lot.
Jan 02 08:49:02 <onion> Blafasel: it's not supposed to be a phone.. more a "portable web browser" or Internet tablet :)
Jan 02 08:49:44 <tsavola> that's just a bad excuse for the missing gsm chip :)
Jan 02 08:50:34 <ptman> I'm confident that the gsm chip will come
Jan 02 08:50:56 <ptman> Nokia just wants to make a stable platform first
Jan 02 08:51:02 <Blafasel> Sad. =(
Jan 02 08:51:13 <onion> why?
Jan 02 08:51:43 <ptman> why make a stable platform?
Jan 02 08:51:56 <onion> haven't seen anyone complaining that the asus eee is not a phone
Jan 02 08:52:07 <Blafasel> Because the way it is it's just a supersized PDA?
Jan 02 08:52:22 <Blafasel> Sure, it has its uses. It's just not what I expected/want.
Jan 02 08:52:35 <tsavola> ptman: including gsm chip in the first hardware versions and developing a stable platform are not mutually exclusive things
Jan 02 08:52:36 <truls> can't please everyone
Jan 02 08:53:17 <desrt> is there a pymaemo channel?
Jan 02 08:55:43 <sibbe> devices with gsm chips have more strict regulations i guess.. for example, if it's a phone you must be able to make emergency calls with it. so no "hackability" / open source in that part of hardware/software...
Jan 02 08:56:25 <Blafasel> What about the openmoko/green phone stuff?
Jan 02 09:01:27 <legind> Blafasel, it's supposed to be open to the core, with the sole exception being the GPS module
Jan 02 09:01:40 <legind> which they are legally obliged to make closed source
Jan 02 09:03:13 <Blafasel> Yep, I know about that regulations (similar stuff applies for wifi as well, afaik), just wanted to break the "Hard to combine with OS stuff" argument.
Jan 02 09:10:20 <AD-N770> good morning and happy new year
Jan 02 09:26:00 <hahlo> how bot tells about becomeroot? info
Jan 02 09:26:52 <djcb> hahlo, sudo gainroot
Jan 02 09:27:21 <hahlo> ok thanks
Jan 02 09:34:54 * jeddy3 just got flatrate 3g, and is enjoying the n800 even more than before 
Jan 02 09:36:07 <jeddy3> jabber->msn/icq gateways rocks
Jan 02 09:48:15 <Blafasel> Yep, I'm running one as well ;)
Jan 02 09:54:16 <wald0> there's a abiword available for chinook ?
Jan 02 10:05:00 <hahlo> infobot: becomeroot
Jan 02 10:05:18 <hahlo> infobot: !becomeroot
Jan 02 10:06:04 <hahlo> !becomeroot
Jan 02 10:15:17 <sikor_sxe> hello
Jan 02 10:15:53 <sikor_sxe> when i use the hildon file chooser dialog, my app crashes with "GLIB ERROR ** GLib - The thread system is not yet initialized.
Jan 02 10:15:53 <sikor_sxe> aborting..."
Jan 02 10:16:02 <sikor_sxe> what could be the reason for this behaviour
Jan 02 10:16:03 <sikor_sxe> ?
Jan 02 10:17:58 <inz> sikor, you haven't called g_thread_init() and the file chooser dialog wants to use threads
Jan 02 10:20:35 <sikor_sxe> weird
Jan 02 10:20:43 <sikor_sxe> i didn't spot this is the tutorial
Jan 02 10:25:34 <jeddy3> has anyone experienced with ad-54 (n85/n95 headset) with n800/n810?
Jan 02 10:26:08 * jeddy3 is interested if there is anyway to make the playback control remote keys to work
Jan 02 10:27:24 <sikor_sxe> i would be surprised if they would work out of the box
Jan 02 10:27:34 <sikor_sxe> n95 is symbian
Jan 02 10:27:49 <jeddy3> sikor_sxe, they don't work ootb :)
Jan 02 10:27:59 <jeddy3> sikor_sxe, well, the sound works but not keys
Jan 02 10:28:35 <sikor_sxe> when you open osso-xterm
Jan 02 10:29:00 <jeddy3> sikor_sxe, it does not give any kernel messages
Jan 02 10:29:26 <sikor_sxe> ah ok
Jan 02 10:29:32 <jeddy3> sikor_sxe, but included headset doensn't either so
Jan 02 10:30:24 <sikor_sxe> oh
Jan 02 10:30:25 <sikor_sxe> haha
Jan 02 10:30:36 <jeddy3> sikor_sxe, the thing is...in os2007 the included one DID (don't now about ad-54), so what i was wondering about was if anyone knows where included headset gives feedback
Jan 02 10:30:39 <sikor_sxe> i just saw the button on the headphones
Jan 02 10:30:50 <jeddy3> ;D
Jan 02 10:32:51 <sikor_sxe> what effect does the button have actually?
Jan 02 10:33:17 <sikor_sxe> i just plugged them in and it seems to have no effect (at least on vegalume)
Jan 02 10:33:24 <jeddy3> should answer skype/SIP calls etc
Jan 02 10:33:35 <sikor_sxe> ahh
Jan 02 10:33:55 <sikor_sxe> (i'm not the kind of guy listening to mp3s on his phone :) )
Jan 02 10:34:45 <jeddy3> would be sweet if it would generate event to bind (and supersweet if ad-54 with all it's buttons would generate different events) :)
Jan 02 10:35:24 <sikor_sxe> here it generates a kernel message when the headphones are plugged in
Jan 02 10:35:26 <tsavola> i bet it generates a d-bus event
Jan 02 10:35:36 <sikor_sxe> i think so too
Jan 02 10:35:53 <jeddy3> sikor_sxe, os2007?
Jan 02 10:36:11 <sikor_sxe> nope os2008
Jan 02 10:36:30 <jeddy3> sikor_sxe, hmm
Jan 02 10:37:50 <sikor_sxe> if maemo was consequently implemented by nokia (and this my impression so far) then the headphones would be interfaced with HAL
Jan 02 10:38:36 <jeddy3> sikor_sxe, you get feedback in dmesg? what does it say?
Jan 02 10:39:11 <sikor_sxe> not from the button
Jan 02 10:39:44 <jeddy3> sikor_sxe, ah
Jan 02 10:39:49 * jeddy3 reads correctly
Jan 02 10:39:52 <sikor_sxe> "headphone (GPIO 107) is now connected
Jan 02 10:40:14 <jeddy3> sikor_sxe, yes, it does that for me too, in os2007 i also got message about button press
Jan 02 10:41:03 <jeddy3> how would one get feedback from HAL/d-bus?
Jan 02 10:46:06 <sikor_sxe> hmm
Jan 02 10:46:28 <sikor_sxe> i did a hal-device | grep headphone
Jan 02 10:46:50 <sikor_sxe> there is /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/headphone
Jan 02 10:47:37 <jeddy3> sikor_sxe, nod, but that only gives if it's connected or not :)
Jan 02 10:48:09 <sikor_sxe> gpio-switch?
Jan 02 10:48:29 <sikor_sxe> isn't this related to the button?
Jan 02 10:49:39 <sikor_sxe> the button being the only thing which is of interest to the OS
Jan 02 10:51:39 <jeddy3> sikor_sxe, i think this is related to connection-status...the system wants to know if sound should be in speakers or not
Jan 02 10:52:14 <sikor_sxe> that's not os functionality i think
Jan 02 10:52:28 <sikor_sxe> usually this is plain hardware
Jan 02 10:53:43 <sikor_sxe> 1 sec
Jan 02 10:54:54 <sikor_sxe> no
Jan 02 10:54:57 <sikor_sxe> i'm wrong
Jan 02 10:55:09 <sikor_sxe> common headphones do trigger kernel messages aswell
Jan 02 10:55:47 <sikor_sxe> this is specific to the n800 then
Jan 02 11:00:45 <sikor_sxe> inz: i did include "g_thread_init(NULL);" call, now the app crashes when opening the hildon file chooser dialog with: " D-Bus library appears to be incorrectly set up;"
Jan 02 11:00:55 <sikor_sxe> this is in scratchbox
Jan 02 11:02:10 <inz> Hmm, then you might need run-standalnoe
Jan 02 11:04:31 <sikor_sxe> ah, i just did
Jan 02 11:04:44 <sikor_sxe> now at least it crashes without any error message :)
Jan 02 11:06:55 <sikor_sxe> actually with run standalone it crashes even with the gtk dialog :|
Jan 02 11:07:51 <sikor_sxe> the app runs on the n800 however
Jan 02 11:07:58 <sikor_sxe> what does run-standalone do?
Jan 02 11:09:26 <kulve> sets up environment variables
Jan 02 11:09:34 <kulve> like gtk theme and dbus stuff
Jan 02 11:11:07 <sikor_sxe> yeah i just checked
Jan 02 11:11:39 <sikor_sxe> could the problem be that i'm developing directly in armel target?
Jan 02 11:13:00 <kulve> I just SB just for compiling. Then I copy the stuff to the device (with scp) and run it there (over ssh)
Jan 02 11:13:12 <kulve> I just use SB..
Jan 02 11:13:54 <sikor_sxe> oh
Jan 02 11:14:52 <inz> qemu is far from perfect, so if you want to test on PC, use i386 target
Jan 02 11:14:54 <dpb_> use the x86 target if you want to develop just with scratchbox, that's why the x86 target is there..
Jan 02 11:15:06 <sikor_sxe> i see
Jan 02 11:15:33 <sikor_sxe> kulve's solution seems quite sophisticated to me
Jan 02 11:16:20 <dpb_> yeah, but not everyone has devices
Jan 02 11:17:56 <sikor_sxe> kulve: i got openssh-server installed, what user login do you use?
Jan 02 11:18:13 <kulve> root
Jan 02 11:18:24 <sikor_sxe> oh
Jan 02 11:18:28 <jeddy3> ok, so i get dbus-signals on pressing button on included headset, but nothing with hs-54 :/
Jan 02 11:18:34 <kulve> but maybe it would be more secure to use the "user" user..
Jan 02 11:18:43 <Veggen> I always log in as "user".
Jan 02 11:18:52 <Veggen> old habits.
Jan 02 11:18:58 <sikor_sxe> does it have a password?
Jan 02 11:19:06 <kulve> sikor_sxe: root has
Jan 02 11:19:10 <kulve> user doesn't
Jan 02 11:19:15 <sikor_sxe> :O
Jan 02 11:19:18 <Veggen> ..but you can set one.
Jan 02 11:19:45 <sikor_sxe> so with openssh-server installed, my n800 is practically exposed to everyone in the network
Jan 02 11:19:47 <sikor_sxe> ?
Jan 02 11:19:48 <kulve> sikor_sxe: the openssh server package sets a new root passwd nowadays
Jan 02 11:20:24 <kulve> sikor_sxe: well, you can't login as root using the ssh anymore unless the device is in R&D mode or you use ssh keys
Jan 02 11:23:13 <timeless> kulve: you've seen capture-root, right?
Jan 02 11:23:45 <timeless> http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/capture-root-0.1.deb
Jan 02 11:24:10 <kulve> timeless: right
Jan 02 11:24:39 * timeless goes back to not understanding web sites
Jan 02 11:25:13 <sikor_sxe> ahem
Jan 02 11:25:29 <sikor_sxe> how do i get the ip of my n800 :]
Jan 02 11:25:30 <sikor_sxe> ?
Jan 02 11:25:41 <jumpula> /sbin/ifconfig
Jan 02 11:25:43 <timeless> connection manager (next to control panel)
Jan 02 11:25:54 <timeless> app menu, first submenu, last menuitem
Jan 02 11:25:57 <timeless> or something like that
Jan 02 11:26:32 <sikor_sxe> ah ifconfig isn't in user path
Jan 02 11:26:41 <timeless> /sbin/ isn't
Jan 02 11:26:49 <timeless> the s means superuser or something
Jan 02 11:26:53 <kulve> neither is /usr/sbin
Jan 02 11:27:06 <jumpula> you have to be root for those to be in path
Jan 02 11:27:19 <sikor_sxe> yeah
Jan 02 11:27:25 <kulve> I've always thinked those are for System binaries..
Jan 02 11:27:36 <sikor_sxe> sometimes ifconfig is symlinked in /usr/bin
Jan 02 11:27:38 <kulve> daemons etc that a normal user doesn't need to know
Jan 02 11:27:43 <timeless> kulve: that's the difference between / and /usr :)
Jan 02 11:27:49 <timeless> s is some sort of super :)
Jan 02 11:28:26 <jumpula> like gasoline in germany
Jan 02 11:28:44 <timeless> http://kerneltrap.org/node/1628
Jan 02 11:28:54 <timeless> claims it's "system & admin utilities"
Jan 02 11:29:24 <sikor_sxe> well, shh user@n800 wants a password
Jan 02 11:29:38 <sikor_sxe> should i set a password on the n800?
Jan 02 11:29:43 <timeless> sikor_sxe: you'd need to set one
Jan 02 11:29:47 <sikor_sxe> ah k
Jan 02 11:29:47 <timeless> personally, i ssh root@device
Jan 02 11:29:50 <timeless> then su user
Jan 02 11:30:02 <timeless> you could add an ssh key for user
Jan 02 11:30:03 <timeless> that should work
Jan 02 11:30:17 <Veggen> timeless: I always ssh in as user, then use sudo.
Jan 02 11:30:32 <sikor_sxe> "the password for user cannot be changed."
Jan 02 11:30:35 <Veggen> (if I need to, as on any Linux-box)
Jan 02 11:30:38 <timeless> lol
Jan 02 11:30:41 <Veggen> can not?
Jan 02 11:30:57 <Veggen> you'll probably need to do it as root.
Jan 02 11:31:22 <sikor_sxe> well... i don't want to fuck up things
Jan 02 11:31:49 <timeless> use an ssh key
Jan 02 11:31:53 <sikor_sxe> true
Jan 02 11:32:45 <Veggen> doesn't seem to fuck up things to set up a passwd for user.
Jan 02 11:33:01 <timeless> passwords are too risky :)
Jan 02 11:33:06 <Veggen> And I can't see why it should.
Jan 02 11:33:17 <dpb_> Internet is too risky, don't network the device.
Jan 02 11:33:32 <timeless> dpb: yeah, too bad the device auto networks :)
Jan 02 11:33:54 <yy-YY> G night:P
Jan 02 11:33:56 * timeless sighs
Jan 02 11:34:02 <dpb_> Doesn't if you don't setup the network
Jan 02 11:34:04 <dpb_> :P
Jan 02 11:34:05 <timeless> Internal error. Application '...' closed.
Jan 02 11:34:17 <timeless> dpb: walking around can cause that problem :)
Jan 02 11:34:48 <yy-YY> :P
Jan 02 11:35:23 <sikor_sxe> great, ssh-key worked
Jan 02 11:37:08 <sikor_sxe> what is the standard root password openssh-server sets?
Jan 02 11:37:38 <timeless> sikor: you can't use it
Jan 02 11:37:44 <timeless> install capture-root (see link above)
Jan 02 11:37:55 <timeless> it'll copy the key you have for user to root so you can ssh to root
Jan 02 11:38:04 <timeless> sikor: otherwise you need to enable r&d mode
Jan 02 11:38:05 <sikor_sxe> ah, ok. so i don't have to worry
Jan 02 11:38:14 <timeless> i'm assuming that it's a pam feature
Jan 02 11:38:31 * timeless hasn't actually asked someone how it was implemented, but pam would make sense
Jan 02 11:40:22 <sikor_sxe> chinook seems to have problems displaying the gtk-toolbar
Jan 02 11:40:37 <sikor_sxe> i noticed this is other applications yet
Jan 02 11:40:59 <sikor_sxe> it might be a widget-style issue
Jan 02 11:42:53 <sikor_sxe> when i click on gtk toolbar buttons the blue shivering is somehow misplaced. it's smaller than the button and thus there are 1.5 blue buttons on 1 button
Jan 02 11:43:42 <sikor_sxe> did anyone notice this yet?
Jan 02 11:43:48 <sikor_sxe> i'll take a screenshot
Jan 02 11:44:12 <billyb11> should the "Browse Installable Applications" process work in scratchbox?  Did I screw up the scratchbox install?
Jan 02 11:49:10 <sikor_sxe> http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/4889/bildschirmfoto1dz0.png
Jan 02 11:53:26 <mgedmin> funny bug: in OS2008, when the keyboard is locked, you can still open the Tasks menu
Jan 02 11:54:47 <sikor_sxe> it seems hildon has problems with "gtk_toolbar_set_style (GTK_TOOLBAR (toolbar1), GTK_TOOLBAR_BOTH)"
Jan 02 11:55:11 <sikor_sxe> if there is no text written on the buttons, everything seems to be fine
Jan 02 11:57:36 <Blafasel> Some more (probably stupid) questions: If you combine the N810 with a phone, how good does is the phone support? Does it support calling directly from the N810? Are there applets for text messages, managing contacts, syncing?
Jan 02 11:58:28 <glass_> dialup functionality is good... otherwise not really, i'd think
Jan 02 11:58:39 <glass_> dunno if somebodys ported gnokii and such
Jan 02 11:58:46 <dpb_> you can exchange files too
Jan 02 11:58:51 <kulve> yeah, gnokii is there
Jan 02 11:58:52 <glass_> yeah obexftp
Jan 02 11:59:13 <kulve> I've quickly tested cellphonetool (or something like that) and I could send nicely sms from it
Jan 02 11:59:15 <glass_> depends on what the phone is obviously too
Jan 02 12:04:09 <Blafasel> Hmm.. I can get the N810 for 70 Euro (subsidy has its good sides) or go for (and wait for) the openmoko phone. But the N810 looks really great, apart from the missing gsm stuff.. Hmpf.
Jan 02 12:04:57 <Blafasel> Last dumb question of the day: Is there useable support for java (or j2me or whatever) or even better mono for maemo?
Jan 02 12:04:57 <glass_> 70e for n810??
Jan 02 12:05:21 <glass_> i think theres some mono efforts
Jan 02 12:05:35 <glass_> and some java.. not sure of there being a really finished j2me vm tho
Jan 02 12:05:51 <glass_> pythons pretty popular
Jan 02 12:06:15 <Blafasel> Naa.. Cannot stand it and I'm asking for private projects, not 3rd party stuff ;)
Jan 02 12:06:37 <Blafasel> Yep, 70e (but with a contract renewal)
Jan 02 12:07:58 <glass_> what other choices would you have?
Jan 02 12:08:52 <Blafasel> What do you mean?
Jan 02 12:09:02 <Blafasel> In terms of other phones?
Jan 02 12:10:47 <dpb_> "other" phones. N8X0 isn't a phone.. :)
Jan 02 12:11:20 <glass_> billyb11: in terms of what other devices you could get
Jan 02 12:11:23 <glass_> dsjfod
Jan 02 12:11:26 <glass_> Blafasel: that is
Jan 02 12:11:33 <Blafasel> dpb_: Yep, sad enough. ;)
Jan 02 12:11:48 <glass_> just trying to judge if 70e is cheap, thats all
Jan 02 12:12:12 <Blafasel> glass_: Uhm - probably everything? I'm not limited to what my service provider offers, I can use 3rd party shops. I do want a linux based device, though
Jan 02 12:12:59 <glass_> Blafasel: just meaning that if you could get a n95 for 70e, then the 810 for 70e wouldn't be cheap, if the other contract attributes stayed the same
Jan 02 12:13:29 <glass_> Blafasel: you don't have much choices in the linux(that is exposed to user) + mobile phone combo category
Jan 02 12:13:35 <Blafasel> glass_: The n95 (8GB version) would cost 270.. ;)
Jan 02 12:13:36 <glass_> openmoko and thats about it
Jan 02 12:14:04 <glass_> Blafasel: that sounds about right, if n810 was 70
Jan 02 12:14:07 <Blafasel> glass_: The discontinued/dead greenphone as well. And some motorola phones are linux based and somewhat hackable
Jan 02 12:14:20 <glass_> yeah greenphone but i didn't count it as it's discontinued
Jan 02 12:14:28 <glass_> i didn't count the motos
Jan 02 12:14:36 <glass_> not really that available or hackable
Jan 02 12:14:38 <Blafasel> glass_: Why? Do you think that's a bad price? I payed about the same for my K800i 1,5 years ago.
Jan 02 12:14:49 <glass_> Blafasel: it's about market price probably
Jan 02 12:15:00 <glass_> Blafasel: i dunno the exacts of your contract of course
Jan 02 12:15:20 <glass_> Blafasel: but n95 8gb should be 200-300e more than n810, i think
Jan 02 12:18:05 <Blafasel> Well, I don't like the symbian stuff, so that's no option (and too pricey for too little benefits from my pov/for my usecases).
Jan 02 12:19:14 <glass_> was just thinking if you could sell the n810 for more than it probably costs you in reality through the contract
Jan 02 12:19:39 <glass_> in that case you could have just gotten it and played around with it and sell it off
Jan 02 12:19:43 <glass_> if it doesn't suit you
Jan 02 12:19:55 <glass_> obviously there can't be any simlocks or such in a non phone device
Jan 02 12:24:15 <Blafasel> Not a bad idea..
Jan 02 12:29:15 <Blafasel> Okay, count me in. ;) Just ordered the beast.
Jan 02 12:31:05 <glass_> hehe
Jan 02 12:31:07 <glass_> have fun with it
Jan 02 12:31:08 <Khertan> Hi !
Jan 02 12:31:11 <glass_> i still just have a 770
Jan 02 12:32:10 <Blafasel> glass_: That is without a keyboard, more like the 800, right?
Jan 02 12:32:35 <glass_> yeah
Jan 02 12:32:39 <glass_> the first model
Jan 02 12:32:50 <Tepa^^^> Does anyone know is there x-chat port coming to os2008?
Jan 02 12:33:12 <Khertan> there is one x-chat version in  os2008 repository
Jan 02 12:33:19 <Khertan> i haven't tryed it ...
Jan 02 12:38:03 <Tepa^^^> Khertan: what repository I have to add to find it? There is no such at moment in my device
Jan 02 12:41:45 <Khertan> http://www.gronmayer.com/it
Jan 02 12:41:52 <Khertan> there is a search box
Jan 02 12:46:33 <Tepa^^^> thanks
Jan 02 12:47:23 <DaniloCesar> Tepa^^^, I used a hildonise x-chat for os2007, but I think that works in 2008 too.
Jan 02 12:50:23 <Tepa^^^> I'll try it later today. Now I have to go...
Jan 02 13:29:29 <yy-YY> excuse me:P
Jan 02 13:32:14 <hahlo> timeless: how did you get that info from becomeroot one day?
Jan 02 13:35:39 <Zic> I've just installed a scratchbox with the chinook SDK ... But after run it in Xephyr I can't install more application with Software Tools ...
Jan 02 13:36:05 <Zic> idea ?
Jan 02 13:36:16 <Zic> repositories are ok, I think
Jan 02 13:42:21 <drwx> hi! do you know a way to talkwith a friend between a pc (linux or windows) and the N800 with webcam?
Jan 02 13:42:49 <drwx> or is it only possible with 2 N800
Jan 02 13:42:56 <drwx> ?
Jan 02 13:42:56 <Blafasel> ekiga, perhaps?
Jan 02 13:43:09 <drwx> ekiga is not ready on N800
Jan 02 13:43:16 <shackan> gizmo
Jan 02 13:43:32 <drwx> gizmo works with cam?
Jan 02 13:44:01 <sikor_sxe> Zic: you have to use apt-get on the console
Jan 02 13:44:03 <mardi_> Gizmo works N800 < PC
Jan 02 13:44:19 <drwx> with cam?
Jan 02 13:45:09 <shackan> drwx: I've been told so
Jan 02 13:45:46 <drwx> I'm trying it
Jan 02 13:45:59 <timeless> gizmo version 4 (beta) on windows
Jan 02 13:46:07 <timeless> versions <4 don't support video
Jan 02 13:46:51 <drwx> gizmo on N800 has got cam? and linux?
Jan 02 13:47:25 <drwx> it's ok for N800
Jan 02 13:47:27 <timeless> last i checked there was no gizmo 4 (beta or otherwise) for linux (excluding itos for which they did release one...)
Jan 02 13:47:49 <timeless> so n800, n810, windows, but not random linux :)
Jan 02 13:52:37 <drwx> so I reboot on windows to try it! thank you
Jan 02 14:29:30 <sk> morning
Jan 02 14:29:38 <sk> kismet on the n770 is pretty cool
Jan 02 14:29:43 <sk> works pretty good too
Jan 02 14:30:09 <Khertan> bye
Jan 02 14:30:20 <sk> later
Jan 02 14:31:40 <eber_> do anybody knows where i could find python-osso for os2008 ?
Jan 02 14:31:55 <eber_> "python abook" sorry (i mistyped)
Jan 02 14:34:03 <eber_> i don't want to write c code just to import my address book (yuk :p)
Jan 02 14:36:01 <Dist> eber_: I think stage repository has python on it
Jan 02 14:37:26 <eber_> what's stage repository ?
Jan 02 14:37:56 <shackan> stage.maemo.org
Jan 02 14:37:57 <eber_> i'm using python from maemo repository, but it doesn't include python-abook
Jan 02 14:38:06 <eber_> thanks
Jan 02 14:38:50 <eber_> oh, i've already configured repositories from this page
Jan 02 14:38:54 <Dist> http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php?lang=en&system=maemo4 <- also "Temp fix for broken Chinook" and "Temp fix for broken Chinook Extras"
Jan 02 14:39:50 <eber_> are the repo still broken ?
Jan 02 14:41:17 <eber_> i installed everything with this fix
Jan 02 14:42:27 <Tak> unique311: ping
Jan 02 14:43:06 <eber_> i think people making python packages forgot this one for the 2008 release
Jan 02 14:44:39 <luck^> hi eber_, we have plans to include these missing packages in the next release
Jan 02 14:45:12 <luck^> just waiting to get repository fixed
Jan 02 14:45:32 <eber_> when is it scheduled ?
Jan 02 14:46:44 <luck^> eber_, I will wait until next week
Jan 02 14:47:05 <eber_> ok thanks a lot
Jan 02 14:47:50 <eber_> do you know another way to create contact entries easily ? (import function drops categories)
Jan 02 14:48:37 <eber_> i think i can live with uncategorized contacts until next week :-)
Jan 02 14:48:54 <luck^> eber_ :( no.. lauro moura was working with python-abook bindings
Jan 02 14:49:08 <luck^> eber_, ok :)
Jan 02 14:55:01 <eber_> contact application is a bit slow with 1K contacts :)
Jan 02 14:58:18 <Zic> <sikor_sxe> Zic: you have to use apt-get on the console <= sorry, I'm late, but thanks to you ;)
Jan 02 15:12:58 <lardman> morning
Jan 02 15:13:12 <Tak> bonjour!
Jan 02 15:13:30 <lardman> Full of the joys of the New Year? :)
Jan 02 15:13:31 <disq> hey Tak! :)
Jan 02 15:15:27 <Tak> howdy
Jan 02 15:16:04 <Tak> yeah, the joys of going back to work after a 10-day vacation ;-)
Jan 02 15:16:30 <disq> :)
Jan 02 15:16:35 <lardman> dare I ask if there's any news on the discount codes....?
Jan 02 15:17:04 <giskard> i don't know
Jan 02 15:17:14 <giskard> but i would be happy hear something from nokia
Jan 02 15:17:25 <lardman> same here
Jan 02 15:18:45 * Tak hear no evil, etc.
Jan 02 15:19:09 <Veggen> Tak: mmm, my motivation isn't fully restored, yet.
Jan 02 15:19:15 <Veggen> I need a fun project to participate in.
Jan 02 15:19:44 <lardman> I can offer you debugging either an mp3 or vorbis dsp task
Jan 02 15:19:48 <Veggen> Tak: I had a fun job lined up. Had resigned for my job. Had three days left of my resignation period - when the new company went broke.
Jan 02 15:19:59 <Veggen> Kind of demotivates you a little ;)
Jan 02 15:20:38 <Veggen> So I retracted the resignation, and continued at the old job.
Jan 02 15:21:01 <Veggen> Which isn't a bad job, but the new one was gonna be more fun.
Jan 02 15:22:57 <Tak> vegai: wow, that sucks
Jan 02 15:23:04 <Robot101> Veggen: well, at least they let you stay
Jan 02 15:23:11 <Tak> err, Veggen also
Jan 02 15:24:08 <Tak> my job isn't fun enough to inspire me to heights of self-motivation
Jan 02 15:25:05 <Veggen> Tak: No, I have the same problems. I need technically challenging projects, but without that, the non-project parts aren't all that fun.
Jan 02 15:25:40 <Veggen> Tak: So ideally, if I can fill my time with projects 100% of the time, it's great fun.
Jan 02 15:25:44 <sikor_sxe> how can i tell wheter a gtk window is in fullscreen mode?
Jan 02 15:25:47 <sikor_sxe> in c
Jan 02 15:33:19 <Tak> You can't.
Jan 02 15:34:03 <lardman> can't you get the horiz and vertical size of the window and look at that?
Jan 02 15:35:13 <Tak> window could be maximized without being in fullscreen mode (in a non-maemo context)
Jan 02 15:36:58 <sikor_sxe> pheeew
Jan 02 15:37:59 <sikor_sxe> gtk coding is the worst, at least in c
Jan 02 15:38:04 <sikor_sxe> in qt: setWindowState(windowState() ^ Qt::WindowFullScreen);
Jan 02 15:38:27 <Tak> meh - at least you don't need a precompiler for gtk code
Jan 02 15:38:35 <sk> why don't you use python for gtk?
Jan 02 15:38:44 <sikor_sxe> i am porting an application
Jan 02 15:38:48 <sk> word
Jan 02 15:40:19 <sikor_sxe> i'm not the c guy, i've always been using oop languages
Jan 02 15:41:09 <derf> sikor_sxe: gdk_window_get_state()&GDK_WINDOW_STATE_FULLSCREEN
Jan 02 15:41:26 <sikor_sxe> tada!
Jan 02 15:41:29 <sikor_sxe> thanks
Jan 02 15:41:54 <sk> word, i do a little c here and there
Jan 02 15:41:58 <sk> not much anymore
Jan 02 15:42:26 <sikor_sxe> i really hope there will be some qt integration with hildon
Jan 02 15:42:27 <Tak> wow - the doc for gtk_window_fullscreen says there's no way to get it
Jan 02 15:42:39 <sikor_sxe> yeah
Jan 02 15:42:51 <sikor_sxe> talks about fetching some event
Jan 02 15:42:52 <Tak> fuck, qt is a bloated pile of steaming vomit that nokia was wise to avoid
Jan 02 15:43:58 <sk> haha
Jan 02 15:44:07 <sikor_sxe> wow
Jan 02 15:44:09 * Tak not opinionated or anything
Jan 02 15:44:31 <sikor_sxe> i mean there are certainly reasons why nokia avoided qt
Jan 02 15:44:57 <sikor_sxe> but it's a good toolkit
Jan 02 15:45:07 <jumpula> the licence probably being the foremost
Jan 02 15:45:22 <sikor_sxe> i had the first qt4 app running on my n800 in 15 minutes
Jan 02 15:45:42 <sikor_sxe> and that included learning the qmake utility
Jan 02 15:46:17 <sikor_sxe> jumpula: afaik qt is plain gpl
Jan 02 15:46:42 <sikor_sxe> you can buy a commercial license, tho
Jan 02 15:47:41 <Tak> lgpl is an attractive license for this kind of product
Jan 02 15:48:03 <truls> sikor_sxe: how does it integrate into haldon? and are there py-bindings for n800?
Jan 02 15:48:35 <sikor_sxe> well, the apps looked quite native. i think the problem is the keyboard here
Jan 02 15:49:11 <sikor_sxe> and there are python buildings, yes
Jan 02 15:49:29 <sikor_sxe> i have the impression that python is the preferred language for maemo development right now
Jan 02 15:51:02 <jumpula> sikor_sxe: yes, but the problem is that if you want to publish closed-source software which is using qt, you'll need a licence for that
Jan 02 15:51:16 <sikor_sxe> true
Jan 02 15:51:39 <jumpula> and that is probably (just guessing here) the main reason
Jan 02 15:53:26 <Zic> sikor_sxe: does exist a package which install a default set of packages are by default in OS2008 ?
Jan 02 15:53:31 <Zic> (my english is poor, I know ;))
Jan 02 15:53:39 <jumpula> and it's not just about that whether n wants/doesn't want to keep things open
Jan 02 15:53:50 <jumpula> there are things like skype, etc..
Jan 02 15:54:06 <sikor_sxe> which uses qt afaik
Jan 02 15:54:18 <jumpula> yeah, but, again, you'll need the licence :)
Jan 02 15:55:14 <jumpula> trolltech's skype client can hardly be an example, because trolltech is the company you should get the licence from
Jan 02 15:55:33 <jumpula> so yeah, they have their own closed-source skype :)
Jan 02 15:55:43 <zoran> recall their green phone?
Jan 02 15:56:05 <sikor_sxe> Zic: you installed maemo-sdk-install_4.0.sh and maemo-sdk-nokia-binaries_4.0.sh in scratchbox?
Jan 02 15:56:16 <Zic> sibbe: yes
Jan 02 15:56:20 <jumpula> greenphone is trolltech also
Jan 02 15:56:21 <Zic> heh
Jan 02 15:56:23 <Zic> sikor_sxe: yes
Jan 02 15:56:41 <zoran> jumpula, they dumped green phone
Jan 02 15:56:50 <jumpula> i know
Jan 02 15:57:01 <jumpula> i don't know if it had any skype client
Jan 02 15:57:03 <zoran> none knows why
Jan 02 15:57:06 <sikor_sxe> Zic: the rest of the packages you should install the the debian way. apt-get install, etc...
Jan 02 15:57:18 <zoran> openmoko could have
Jan 02 15:57:29 <jumpula> if they get the licence
Jan 02 15:57:38 <Zic> sikor_sxe: When I run Xephyr, I have only Hello World, Configuration/Package Tools installed by default after running SDK scripts
Jan 02 15:57:50 <Zic> sikor_sxe: no meta-package exist ?
Jan 02 15:57:54 <sikor_sxe> Zic: yes. so do i
Jan 02 15:58:00 <jumpula> or qt turns magically lgpl or something..
Jan 02 15:58:30 <sikor_sxe> i don't know about qtopia, if it's any good
Jan 02 15:58:40 <sikor_sxe> i am very content with the current maemo framework
Jan 02 15:59:06 <sikor_sxe> i just don't like coding in gtk/c
Jan 02 15:59:16 <sikor_sxe> mono could be good
Jan 02 15:59:38 <zoran> heh
Jan 02 16:00:05 <sikor_sxe> i wrote some stuff in mono-gtk, that was quite pleasant
Jan 02 16:00:23 <Tak> meh, the problem is that the device isn't powerful enough to handle a high-level framework like ruby/python/mono gracefully
Jan 02 16:00:29 <zoran> licence is what should worry about
Jan 02 16:00:30 <sikor_sxe> i have yet to check out gtkmm
Jan 02 16:00:48 <sikor_sxe> Tak: yeah, that's why qt would be cool
Jan 02 16:01:12 <Tak> I advise you to check out gtkmm, in that case
Jan 02 16:01:18 <sikor_sxe> because it allows rapid development and speed
Jan 02 16:01:41 <Tak> gtk development is super-rapid, even in C
Jan 02 16:01:53 <Tak> 1) Whip up the interface using glade
Jan 02 16:01:56 <sikor_sxe> maybe with glade and stuff
Jan 02 16:01:59 <Tak> 2) Write a few callbacks
Jan 02 16:02:08 <Tak> 3) Drink beer
Jan 02 16:03:42 <sk> hah
Jan 02 16:03:42 <lardman> I think 3,1,2 might work better
Jan 02 16:04:24 <Tak> 313233
Jan 02 16:05:38 <Zic> Canola 2 is written in Python, isnt'it ?
Jan 02 16:05:39 <sikor_sxe> dang, i don't get this fullscreen toggle to work :?
Jan 02 16:05:54 <Zic> I think it's the only one software I'm running in Python on my N800 :]
Jan 02 16:06:23 <sikor_sxe> obfuscated python then
Jan 02 16:06:35 <zoran> python is worth for more backend jobs
Jan 02 16:06:59 <Zic> true :)
Jan 02 16:07:12 <zoran> perl also
Jan 02 16:09:11 <sikor_sxe> unfullscreen doesn't work, because:  GLIB CRITICAL ** Gdk - gdk_window_get_state: assertion `GDK_IS_WINDOW (window)' failed
Jan 02 16:10:45 <Tak> paste the code at rafb.net/paste ?
Jan 02 16:11:49 <zoran> Tak, does rafb.net work with js and cookies?
Jan 02 16:12:33 <sikor_sxe> http://rafb.net/p/LhrjzP62.html
Jan 02 16:13:11 <sikor_sxe> works for fullscreen, but not for unfullscreening
Jan 02 16:14:00 * Tak shrugs @ zoran 
Jan 02 16:15:20 <Blafasel> sikor_sxe: Well, the assertion seems to think that you're passing the wrong stuff. Is window really a window? ;)
Jan 02 16:15:21 <sikor_sxe> it seems like "gdk_window_get_state(window) & GDK_WINDOW_STATE_FULLSCREEN" is always 0
Jan 02 16:15:31 <sikor_sxe> yeah, it's not the assertion
Jan 02 16:15:48 <Blafasel> sikor_sxe: No, gdk_window_get_state(window) fails according to your paste
Jan 02 16:16:11 <sikor_sxe> ah, ok
Jan 02 16:16:26 <sikor_sxe> failing means returning 0 then i guess
Jan 02 16:17:21 <Blafasel> Possible. Check the docs for that method and double-check what you're passing in (or try to find out what GDK_IS_WINDOW expects/checks)
Jan 02 16:18:21 <sikor_sxe> well it is an window, i am fullscreening it :)
Jan 02 16:18:27 <Blafasel> Hrmpf. Damn you, online shop. The offer said "Shipping the N810 in 2-3 days", the confirmation mail says 1-2 weeks.
Jan 02 16:19:21 <Tak> GDK_WINDOW(window) ?
Jan 02 16:19:58 <sk> Blafasel : where'd you order from?
Jan 02 16:20:09 <derf> sikor_sxe: Uh, a gtk_window is not a gdk_window.
Jan 02 16:20:15 <Blafasel> sk: German reseller
Jan 02 16:20:19 <sk> ah word
Jan 02 16:21:25 <sikor_sxe> so, how do i implement a frigging fullscreen-toggle then?
Jan 02 16:23:08 <derf> GtkWidget.window is the GdkWindow associated with a widget (if it has been realized).
Jan 02 16:24:46 <sk> can you just call fullscreen( )?
Jan 02 16:24:59 <sk> nope
Jan 02 16:25:01 <sk> that's c++
Jan 02 16:25:03 <sk> nevermind
Jan 02 16:25:14 <sikor_sxe> well, i get a picture slowly
Jan 02 16:25:57 <rm_you> morning :)
Jan 02 16:26:05 * rm_you yawns
Jan 02 16:26:09 <sk> http://www.google.com/codesearch?hl=en&q=+gtk+fullscreen+toggle+show:jukaPU-wihE:-bNh_ItSUWg:efW08DLvwrM&sa=N&cd=6&ct=rc&cs_p=http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/sources/gthumb-2.6.9.tar.gz&cs_f=gthumb-2.6.9/src/fullscreen.c#first
Jan 02 16:27:28 <sk> not sure if that can help
Jan 02 16:27:32 <sk> but there is a lot of sample code
Jan 02 16:30:01 <VimS> Happy New Year
Jan 02 16:33:03 <Zic> VimS: Happy Gnu Year too
Jan 02 16:49:38 <bedboi> hi there
Jan 02 16:49:59 <bedboi> i suppose there's no news about discount codes
Jan 02 16:50:39 <rm_you> what's the deal with that?
Jan 02 16:50:44 <rm_you> a couple people have asked about them
Jan 02 16:50:51 <rm_you> what discount codes?
Jan 02 16:51:16 <wnd> n810-for-100-euro-or-equivalent-in-your-money kind of discount code I suppose
Jan 02 16:51:23 <bedboi> yep
Jan 02 16:51:33 <rm_you> wtf?
Jan 02 16:51:38 <rm_you> that's kinda crazy
Jan 02 16:51:49 <rm_you> for developers? or everyone?
Jan 02 16:51:53 <bedboi> crazy? it's cool actually
Jan 02 16:52:06 <rm_you> yes... crazy cool ;P
Jan 02 16:52:11 <Tak> wnd: if they wait much longer, 100E is going to be more than the regular price in USD ;-)
Jan 02 16:52:23 <rm_you> lol
Jan 02 16:52:44 <wnd> Tak, yeah, I think you're right :-)
Jan 02 16:54:19 <wnd> rm_you, http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/1192708879.html
Jan 02 16:54:28 <rm_you> ah, thanks
Jan 02 16:58:03 <giskard> yes but no answer has been given
Jan 02 16:58:32 <Segnale007> Hi guys
Jan 02 16:58:42 <Segnale007> I have a question
Jan 02 16:58:55 <Tak> You do?
Jan 02 16:59:00 <Segnale007> I have an modem/router locked from my ISP
Jan 02 16:59:20 <Segnale007> and it allow a pppoe conncection only
Jan 02 16:59:45 <Segnale007> How I can set up my wifi connection with my n800 and os2008 ?
Jan 02 17:00:01 <Segnale007> it need a autorization pppow
Jan 02 17:00:05 <Segnale007> *pppoe
Jan 02 17:00:16 <Tak> anybody have an opinion on C api for reading .zip files?
Jan 02 17:00:47 <Segnale007> anyone know something and can help me to solve this ?
Jan 02 17:02:18 <|R> qgil has update a comment in the blog... they're having trouble with some stores
Jan 02 17:02:23 <|R> go figure...
Jan 02 17:05:59 <derf> |R: Link?
Jan 02 17:06:48 <|R> http://flors.wordpress.com/2007/12/15/the-n810-codes-for-maemo-contributors-next-week/#comment-769
Jan 02 17:09:49 <giskard> |R, thank you
Jan 02 17:09:55 <Segnale007> anyone can help me fot set up a ppp connection on os2008 ?
Jan 02 17:28:29 <kulve> Segnale007: something else that using the mobile wizard?
Jan 02 17:28:34 <kulve> than
Jan 02 17:30:23 <Segnale007> I don't found the mobile wizard for ppp wireless connection
Jan 02 17:30:26 <Segnale007> :(
Jan 02 17:32:55 <kulve> sorry, I didn't read the backlog until now
Jan 02 17:33:04 <kulve> so no ideas for that..
Jan 02 17:35:32 <Tak> nobody, library for zip files?
Jan 02 17:36:03 <rm_you> errr... libzzip?
Jan 02 17:36:05 <rm_you> dunno
Jan 02 17:38:02 <Tak> I'm seeing libzip and libzzip - was wondering if one of those is standard, or if people are doing some hackishness with zlib, or what?
Jan 02 17:38:03 <Dist> rm_you: libogg libtheora.. where can I get those?
Jan 02 17:38:55 <Dist> ssh sucks in tunnels :(
Jan 02 17:41:07 <rm_you> Dist: i believe they are in extras or extras-devel
Jan 02 17:41:09 <rm_you> lemmie look
Jan 02 17:41:57 <keesj> Hi an happy new year!
Jan 02 17:42:03 <sk> happy new year
Jan 02 17:43:09 <rm_you> Dist: they are in extras-devel
Jan 02 17:43:22 <rm_you> Dist: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/chinook/free/libo/libogg/libogg0_1.1.3-2_armel.deb
Jan 02 17:43:42 <rm_you> Dist: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/chinook/free/libt/libtheora/libtheora0_0.0.0.alpha7.dfsg-1.1_armel.deb
Jan 02 17:48:44 <jga23> is there anyway to get imagemagick on the n810?
Jan 02 17:49:16 <bedboi> it should be simple to crosscompile it
Jan 02 17:49:50 <scibot> Is there any info on using pygame at 400x240 or lower resolutions?
Jan 02 17:53:41 <scibot> k-s, You there?
Jan 02 17:53:59 <rm_you> Dist: you get that working?
Jan 02 17:55:03 <Dist> rm_you: Just got home, data connection sucked while mobile
Jan 02 17:55:13 <Dist> I'm testing it now
Jan 02 17:56:17 <rm_you> lol
Jan 02 17:56:32 <bigup> Hello :)
Jan 02 18:01:18 <scibot> What's the default root password under 2008?
Jan 02 18:02:57 <Dist> On N810 it was disabled, just install openssh-server and it'll ask for new root password
Jan 02 18:04:05 <scibot> Also is XSP still valid under N8/10
Jan 02 18:04:27 <Tak> xsp doubling reportedly still works with n810
Jan 02 18:04:33 <Dist> XSP?
Jan 02 18:04:57 <scibot> So it's still the way to go if I need a better frame rate?
Jan 02 18:05:06 <Tak> IMO yes
Jan 02 18:05:24 <scibot> Now I just have to figure out how to take advantage of it in python and pygame. =/
Jan 02 18:05:58 <Tak> along with the standard stuff like: don't update the entire screen, just update the relevant area; etc
Jan 02 18:06:49 <scibot> I have to update the entire screen for the games I want to do.
Jan 02 18:06:59 * Tak nods
Jan 02 18:07:17 <Dist> rm_you: I'll try with that extras-devel mplayer version so I'll try to see if there's any difference
Jan 02 18:07:22 <Tak> same with emulation, for the most part
Jan 02 18:07:36 <rm_you> kk
Jan 02 18:07:39 <Dist> Should have been that there's no dropped frames / lag? (bigger buffer?)
Jan 02 18:07:49 <konttori> rutledge: you around?
Jan 02 18:08:38 <rm_you> Dist: the change I made is entirely related to alsa audio playback
Jan 02 18:08:49 <Dist> ok
Jan 02 18:08:54 <rm_you> the improvement is supposed to be in a2dp playback
Jan 02 18:09:01 <rm_you> IE, removing skips
Jan 02 18:09:46 <rm_you> in fact, Serge has pointed out a regression for alsa playback on videos when NOT using a2dp
Jan 02 18:10:48 <Dist> erm, I'm swapping 20 megs, just terminal running =D
Jan 02 18:11:04 <rm_you> lol
Jan 02 18:11:08 <konttori> is term leaking or something else?
Jan 02 18:11:14 <rm_you> konttori: oh, hey
Jan 02 18:11:28 <rm_you> konttori: so, a2dp is fairly working :P
Jan 02 18:11:38 <konttori> great! Congrats!
Jan 02 18:11:47 <konttori> on mplayer?
Jan 02 18:11:51 <rm_you> konttori: does ukmp support mplayer?
Jan 02 18:11:53 <rm_you> yes
Jan 02 18:11:59 <konttori> Does it take a lot of juice?
Jan 02 18:12:03 <Dist> hildon-desktop 17MB, osso-xterm 12MB, hildon-input-method 11MB, systemui 10MB
Jan 02 18:12:08 <konttori> well, it does for videos.
Jan 02 18:12:24 <rm_you> fairly, but i did a lot of my testing with Kagu, and i am able to play music and scroll through albums and edit playlist without skippage
Jan 02 18:12:47 <konttori> And... hmm...   lemme think... hmm.... hmm.... I could make it use mplayer for audio playback as well pretty easily.
Jan 02 18:13:26 <konttori> I'll just need to get a commandline mplayer version for osx
Jan 02 18:13:46 <rm_you> if you did, all you would need to do is have a bluetooth button like in the old Kagu, and the change it would need to make is switching from "-ao alsa:device=bluetooth" to.. well, not.
Jan 02 18:14:30 <rm_you> i would use UKMP as my primary player if not for kagu's mplayer support
Jan 02 18:14:52 <rm_you> since it's kind of... well... entirely essential for my use :P
Jan 02 18:14:57 <konttori> Hmm... tempting... ;)
Jan 02 18:15:13 <konttori> anyway, should be pretty easy for me to add the support
Jan 02 18:15:21 <rm_you> i would recommend that anyway
Jan 02 18:15:29 <rm_you> mplayer support is always nice to have :)
Jan 02 18:15:40 <rm_you> doesn't mplayer support more formats?
Jan 02 18:16:22 <Dist> Hmm, after restart I got about 50MB back, weird.. Now almost 30MB free
Jan 02 18:16:27 <rm_you> bleh... well, in the meantime i have a regression to fix
Jan 02 18:16:55 <scibot> Odd, can't connect to my N800 through SSH
Jan 02 18:17:41 <rm_you> darnit... I wish A) I had a wireless network here, B) My build-box wasn't in a different state and behind a bunch of firewalls, making file transfer aggrivating
Jan 02 18:18:15 <Tak> I hear that - I end up scping from build box to another box with bluetooth, then bt-xfer to device
Jan 02 18:21:45 <scibot> It pings but it won't connect.
Jan 02 18:22:06 <Tak> ssh server running?
Jan 02 18:22:12 <scibot> Not sure
Jan 02 18:22:51 <Tak> can you ssh to localhost from the device?
Jan 02 18:22:59 <scibot> Yep
Jan 02 18:23:55 <rm_you> Tak: blegh.... though BT is an interesting option :P i guess i can do that instead of USB transfer >_>
Jan 02 18:26:02 <Dist> rm_you: Ok, it's completely unusable with the default one
Jan 02 18:26:15 <Dist> mplayer -ao alsa:device=bluetooth -ac ffmp3 -msglevel all=6
Jan 02 18:26:29 <Dist> I hear SOMETHING, but I wouldn't call this my favourite music
Jan 02 18:26:52 <rm_you> lol
Jan 02 18:26:53 <rm_you> truth
Jan 02 18:27:08 <Dist> Plain -ao alsa:device=bluetooth wouldn't give me anything
Jan 02 18:27:15 <rm_you> heh, odd
Jan 02 18:27:20 <rm_you> OH
Jan 02 18:27:23 <Dist> Oh, now it does
Jan 02 18:27:26 <rm_you> cause my build includes libmad support
Jan 02 18:27:26 <Dist> Hmm, wtf
Jan 02 18:27:34 <rm_you> the default doesn't, i believe?
Jan 02 18:27:59 <rm_you> thus why my build requires libmad0
Jan 02 18:28:06 <Dist> I'll paste this somewhere
Jan 02 18:28:10 <rm_you> kk
Jan 02 18:28:54 * hahlo i mixed becomeroot and capture-root :P
Jan 02 18:29:40 <Dist> rm_you: Ah, sorry, it didn't work then because of me screwing that up
Jan 02 18:30:04 <rm_you> heh
Jan 02 18:30:05 <Dist> Error message for "-ao ao=alsa:device=bluetooth" could be better though =D
Jan 02 18:30:11 <rm_you> :P
Jan 02 18:31:37 <rm_you> Whew, I just misunderstood Serge, my patch doesn't introduct a regression :P yay
Jan 02 18:31:51 <rm_you> s/introduct/introduce/
Jan 02 18:31:52 <infobot> rm_you meant: Whew, I just misunderstood Serge, my patch doesn't introduce a regression :P yay
Jan 02 18:32:04 <rm_you> lol
Jan 02 18:32:06 <rm_you> <3 infobot
Jan 02 18:34:25 <Dist> Heh, 90 requests/s for 15 concurrent users with nginx running on N810..
Jan 02 18:34:29 <Dist> It's nice
Jan 02 18:34:58 <rm_you> lol wow
Jan 02 18:35:04 <rm_you> your n810 is running a webserver? :P
Jan 02 18:35:09 <Dist> Sure =D
Jan 02 18:35:10 <rm_you> that actually gets hits?! :P
Jan 02 18:35:17 <Dist> Well.. =D
Jan 02 18:35:26 <rm_you> lol
Jan 02 18:35:39 <Dist> I just happened to test that too =D
Jan 02 18:35:56 <rm_you> lol....
Jan 02 18:36:03 <rm_you> Wikipedia: Large sites that use nginx include:
Jan 02 18:36:04 <rm_you> YouPorn [1]
Jan 02 18:36:04 <rm_you> "
Jan 02 18:36:08 <Dist> =D
Jan 02 18:36:09 <Dist> Heh
Jan 02 18:36:43 <Tak> wow, YouPorn is running from a single N810?!
Jan 02 18:36:47 <rm_you> rofl
Jan 02 18:37:16 <rm_you> Dist: so, you test my build yet?
Jan 02 18:37:17 <Dist> rm_you: I still don't get any music out of it
Jan 02 18:37:23 <rm_you> >_>
Jan 02 18:37:41 <rm_you> does it report the buffersize as 25600?
Jan 02 18:37:49 <Dist> Well, I do for about 1 sec, then it dies for several seconds, then I get mangled sounds if anything
Jan 02 18:39:03 <Dist> Umm, lost that line with more output
Jan 02 18:39:17 <Dist> Oh, got it
Jan 02 18:40:37 <Dist> |dec_audio: Allocating 4096 bytes for input buffer.
Jan 02 18:40:37 <Dist> |dec_audio: Allocating 9216 + 65536 = 74752 bytes for output buffer.
Jan 02 18:40:38 <rm_you> ?
Jan 02 18:40:47 <rm_you> that's for libmad
Jan 02 18:40:53 <rm_you> should be AO:
Jan 02 18:41:16 <rm_you> err
Jan 02 18:41:16 <Dist> Uhm, can't find any =D
Jan 02 18:41:26 <rm_you> alsa-init: got buffersize=????
Jan 02 18:42:06 <rm_you> and then, "alsa: 44100 Hz/2channels/4bpf/???? bytes buffer/ Signed 16 bit Little Endian"
Jan 02 18:42:09 <Dist> Oh, sorry, too many errors on screen =D
Jan 02 18:42:16 <Dist> alsa-init: got buffersize=25600
Jan 02 18:42:19 <rm_you> yeah just quit like immediately
Jan 02 18:42:20 <rm_you> hrm.
Jan 02 18:42:25 <rm_you> well, it definately got it...
Jan 02 18:42:43 <rm_you> can you paste your output somewhere?
Jan 02 18:42:50 <Dist> Sure
Jan 02 18:45:33 <Dist> Uhhh, wtf =D
Jan 02 18:45:54 <Dist> Just rerunning that to get better logs, now it gives constant sound
Jan 02 18:46:05 <rm_you> lol?
Jan 02 18:46:06 <Dist> Difference being that I pipe the output to file
Jan 02 18:46:07 <rm_you> so... working?
Jan 02 18:46:10 <rm_you> AH
Jan 02 18:46:11 <rm_you> so
Jan 02 18:46:16 <rm_you> yeah, theres another theory
Jan 02 18:46:31 <Dist> and again, not working if I don't
Jan 02 18:46:34 <rm_you> try the official mplayer again, and do that
Jan 02 18:46:47 <rm_you> someone else in the thread mentioned something like that
Jan 02 18:47:22 <rm_you> it's possible that the effort of writing to STDOUT is just a bit too much for it to handle
Jan 02 18:47:41 <rm_you> even though it's normally a very small amount of work
Jan 02 18:47:58 <Dist> Heh, great place to fail at
Jan 02 18:48:56 * timeless ponders
Jan 02 18:49:03 <timeless> why hasn't someone just made a proper docpurge package?
Jan 02 18:49:36 <Dist> rm_you: way more "broken pipe" (and skips) on this
Jan 02 18:49:54 <rm_you> so
Jan 02 18:50:01 <rm_you> what do you think
Jan 02 18:50:04 <Dist> Almost unlistenable, your version was usable
Jan 02 18:50:27 <rm_you> try with video via the mplayer GUI
Jan 02 18:50:38 <rm_you> and try Kagu too, if you have it
Jan 02 18:50:54 <Dist> Yeah, I do, haven't used it almost at all yet though
Jan 02 18:51:42 <Dist> There's some evil tunes every time I start playing something, but then it starts sounding better
Jan 02 18:52:05 <Dist> I'm just trying on some other mp3 files, just to check that everything is the same on those too
Jan 02 18:52:40 <Dist> But I love how A2DP sounds when it works =D
Jan 02 18:53:13 <rm_you> glad it is working
Jan 02 18:53:20 <rm_you> i was hoping it wasnt just a fluke on my device :P
Jan 02 18:53:26 <Dist> Heh
Jan 02 18:53:50 <legind> has anyone gotten video playback for H.264 working on os2008
Jan 02 18:53:54 <legind> or divx
Jan 02 18:54:03 <rm_you> havent tried
Jan 02 18:54:05 <rm_you> i can try tho
Jan 02 18:55:05 <legind> yeah try it out.  from the forums I can gather that it has worked for some, but I can't get it to work
Jan 02 18:55:13 <Dist> rm_you: Hmm, if you stop, wait a while and start mplayer, do you get "old data" from some buffer to your headphones?
Jan 02 19:00:02 <Dist> rm_you: Ah, 6 skips on this song, worst one about 2s (actually a flood of broken pipes), most less than 0.5s. With extras-devel version playback just stopped somewhere so long that I had sudden urge to ^c that.
Jan 02 19:01:39 <rm_you> hrm
Jan 02 19:01:49 <rm_you> can you send me the file somehow?
Jan 02 19:02:24 <rm_you> i haven't found an mp3 that will make mine skip
Jan 02 19:03:09 <Dist> Could have something to do with me having 2.6MB free again
Jan 02 19:03:54 <Dist> rm_you: What does free say for you when no apps open, ssh in?
Jan 02 19:04:52 <rm_you> free: 7668
Jan 02 19:05:05 <rm_you> that's with two xterms open
Jan 02 19:05:07 <Dist> A little break, Heroes is on.. ->
Jan 02 19:05:07 <rm_you> but not sshed
Jan 02 19:05:10 <rm_you> lol :P
Jan 02 19:05:12 <Dist> Ok, well close enough anyway
Jan 02 19:05:24 <rm_you> did you try video?
Jan 02 19:05:38 <Dist> No, just crashed Kagu a few times =D
Jan 02 19:05:46 <rm_you> hrm
Jan 02 19:05:55 <Dist> Rescan helped though
Jan 02 19:05:58 <Dist> bbl
Jan 02 19:07:41 <rm_you> yeah, not gonna argue with Heroes :P
Jan 02 19:17:31 <rm_you> Dist: and to answer your question from a bit ago: no, it doesn't play old data... it starts right at the beginning of the new song, no bits of the old buffer or anything on mine
Jan 02 19:20:12 <Dist> I've got Jabra BT620s.. Might be something strange in that too
Jan 02 19:21:26 <rm_you> i'm using Logitec LBT-HP100C2SV that i bought in Japan
Jan 02 19:21:32 <rm_you> note, Logitec not Logitch :P
Jan 02 19:21:49 <rm_you> s/Logitch/Logitech/
Jan 02 19:21:49 <infobot> rm_you meant: note, Logitec not Logitech :P
Jan 02 19:23:34 <Dist> 3432
Jan 02 19:23:44 <Dist> s/(..)/chr hex/eg
Jan 02 19:23:57 <Dist> Hmm, just testing
Jan 02 19:23:59 <Dist> 3432
Jan 02 19:24:03 <Dist> s/(..)/chr hex $1/eg
Jan 02 19:24:20 <Dist> Maybe /e wouldn't be very good idea anyway in that
Jan 02 19:26:02 <Tak> heh, I tried to get him to do subexpression replacement before
Jan 02 19:37:55 <rm_you> lol3942testing
Jan 02 19:38:17 <rm_you> s/[0-9]*/#/
Jan 02 19:38:41 <rm_you> 12345
Jan 02 19:39:08 <rm_you> s/\(.*\)4/4\1/
Jan 02 19:39:16 <rm_you> lol yeah notsomuch
Jan 02 19:39:44 <Dist> Just literal stuff then huh?
Jan 02 19:45:44 <niteOwl> .
Jan 02 20:06:12 <keesj> I installed it2008 on a 4G mmc card of the n800. it's almoost like the real thing.
Jan 02 20:06:54 <luron> it's like http://pupnik.de/kitty_no_foodzor.jpg
Jan 02 20:13:32 <dospod> hey
Jan 02 20:14:03 <sbaturzio> Aloha!
Jan 02 20:14:26 <dospod> hey
Jan 02 20:14:51 <dospod> has anybody tried using an a-data 8 gig sdhc on the n8x0 series?
Jan 02 20:16:47 <Dist> I wish I could get something bigger than 4GB for that minisd
Jan 02 20:16:49 <dospod> card is only 29.99 but i dont wanna buy it and have it fail on me
Jan 02 20:18:05 <Dist> Is that full sized sd?
Jan 02 20:18:24 <Palintheus> dospod: I ordered one from newegg waiting on it to get here :/
Jan 02 20:18:35 <dospod> Dist what do you mean
Jan 02 20:18:54 <Dist> Because N810 only can use minisd :<
Jan 02 20:19:00 <Dist> (or microsd with converter to minisd)
Jan 02 20:19:04 <dospod> Palintheus you could always return it to newegg after a year but I dont feel like returning it to newegg\
Jan 02 20:19:12 <dospod> well I got a n800 so I can use full sized
Jan 02 20:19:16 <dospod> and yes it is full sized
Jan 02 20:21:10 <dospod> and when using a gps on n800 do I have to download the maps in the maps application?
Jan 02 20:46:53 <Jiten> dospod: There was a thread on Internet Tablet Talk forums about 8GB SDHC cards I think.
Jan 02 20:50:14 <skibur> anybody using kde at the moment on the their Tablet?
Jan 02 20:50:47 <pupnik770> Jiten, theres a thread with a standardized benchmark test you can type for read and write speeds
Jan 02 20:51:02 <pupnik770> it would be neat if n810 users used it
Jan 02 20:51:49 <Jiten> pupnik770: yes, I saw that too but that was n810 only I think.
Jan 02 20:52:22 <svu_> anyone knows when Quim is back from holidays? to get some update on discount codes...
Jan 02 20:53:48 <dospod> Ive seen kde on it but I dont wanna try it yet
Jan 02 20:56:40 <pupnik770> is there a kde available as an image
Jan 02 20:56:52 <pupnik770> wheres the darn question mark on the stowaway US layout hehe
Jan 02 20:57:22 <pupnik770> ":<>oh there ?
Jan 02 20:57:46 <dospod> damn I know I say that sd card thread a few weeks ago but I can't seem to find it now
Jan 02 21:14:26 <pupnik770> ":<>oh there ?
Jan 02 21:14:30 <pupnik770> oops
Jan 02 21:14:37 <pupnik770> i love the 770 for IRC at the dinnertable
Jan 02 21:14:49 <pupnik770> irc in general :P
Jan 02 21:14:56 <legind> I love that xchat has been ported to maemo
Jan 02 21:15:03 <pupnik770> do you use it?
Jan 02 21:15:10 <Tak> indeed.
Jan 02 21:15:10 <legind> yup
Jan 02 21:15:12 <legind> not now
Jan 02 21:15:13 <pupnik770> i cant maximize xchat .. can you?
Jan 02 21:15:19 <legind> but in general yes
Jan 02 21:15:26 <legind> maximize?
Jan 02 21:15:27 <Tak> pupnik770: you need the skyhusker build.
Jan 02 21:15:38 <pupnik770> ahh i shall googole
Jan 02 21:15:42 <pupnik770> thx
Jan 02 21:15:55 <Tak> legind: fullscreen
Jan 02 21:16:13 <legind> I can't get it out of fullscreen
Jan 02 21:22:10 <dospod> why are maemo packages so scattered accross the web
Jan 02 21:22:52 <sk> i use ssh->bitchx for irc
Jan 02 21:22:53 <sk> works fine
Jan 02 21:22:55 <sk> on n770
Jan 02 21:23:16 <F463D9> stupid question: (just unboxed my n810), trying to connect an old apple airport using 128-bit WEP, the n810 won't accept anything but a 5 character WEP key
Jan 02 21:23:22 <F463D9> what am i doing wrong?
Jan 02 21:23:45 <Tak> dospod: because many developers don't want to deal with the garage repo
Jan 02 21:41:05 <dospod> it would be nice to have all apps in one place
Jan 02 21:41:57 <Tak> yes, it would
Jan 02 21:42:42 <dospod> like i just found gtk-gnutell for it2008
Jan 02 21:42:47 <dospod> i wish i would have know about this sooner
Jan 02 21:45:04 <guerby> hmm how does one do copy/paste on a N810 (haven't read the manual yet :)
Jan 02 21:45:48 <dospod> depends what app ur in I believe
Jan 02 21:46:01 <guerby> I'm filling in E-mail account settings
Jan 02 21:46:20 <guerby> with the virtual kbd on N800 there's always an option to copy/paste on the left
Jan 02 21:46:27 <guerby> but no virtual kbd on N810
Jan 02 21:51:27 <rm_you> Yeah, I thought about trying to set up a universal repository that would just include like, everything... but there are so many complications
Jan 02 21:51:33 <rm_you> and it just really isn't feasible
Jan 02 21:52:15 <rm_you> i mean, it could theoretically just have a list of repos and do rsync mirrors every couple of hours
Jan 02 21:53:06 <rm_you> but then you still have the problem that it's one person maintaining it, and if there's stuff I don't know about, there needs to be an application proceedure, etc...
Jan 02 21:53:30 <rm_you> well, if anyone has ideas on the subject... let me know :)
Jan 02 21:54:33 <dospod> It would be nice to have a list of apps all in one place
Jan 02 21:57:53 <keesj> maemoapps.com kind of thing?
Jan 02 21:58:23 <keesj> maemo-apps.com ...
Jan 02 21:59:21 <keesj> hmm sorry for the spam. sleepy time
Jan 02 21:59:21 <dospod> haha yea
Jan 02 22:01:27 <guerby> found it it's Ctr-C / Ctrl-V
Jan 02 22:01:38 <Khertan> Is there a ftp client with gui on os2008 ?
Jan 02 22:02:15 <Tak> somebody ported gftp
Jan 02 22:02:24 <Tak> also, there's the browser :-P
Jan 02 22:02:56 <Khertan> Where to ?
Jan 02 22:03:17 <jsmith> I'm assuming the "maps application not wanting to update" is a known bug?
Jan 02 22:05:27 <zchydem> if someone is interested in running QTopia Core 4.4 on N800/N810, the instructions can be found here: http://qtablet.laginen.net
Jan 02 22:05:44 <zchydem> Now it's time to go bed.. Night folks
Jan 02 22:10:14 <rm_you> brb
Jan 02 22:14:03 <jpt9> has anyone ever ported a software synthesizer (like ZynAddSubFx) to maemo?  it would be quite useful to have a pocket-sized analog modelling synth :-)
Jan 02 22:15:15 <luron> i compiled a rhythim box that lets you put together sample and drum based loops
Jan 02 22:15:37 <luron> but it's not really good (in the original version) and the Ui needs rework
Jan 02 22:16:32 <jpt9> yeah...
Jan 02 22:16:47 <luron> Doing real-time analog modeling would be a bit limited, but a soft-synth that lets you sequence some stuff over a few bars, hear a lo-fidelity preview, and then render the bars would be neat
Jan 02 22:17:25 <luron> jpt9: did you ever find anything for linux that seems like a good candidate for a port?
Jan 02 22:18:27 * alterego wants a maemo t-shirt :(
Jan 02 22:19:52 <rm_you> yeah that would be neat :)
Jan 02 22:20:32 <alterego> They've made some. I wonder if I could buy a couple :D
Jan 02 22:31:44 <jpt9> zynaddsubfx, amsynth...
Jan 02 22:31:48 <jpt9> there are a bunch of them...
Jan 02 22:31:52 <jpt9> the one issue would be input...
Jan 02 22:31:57 <jpt9> and multiple windows...
Jan 02 22:32:08 <jpt9> zynaddsubfx  has a built-in virtual keyboard, which would work well...
Jan 02 22:32:21 <jpt9> i'm not sure how well they'd fit on the 800x480 screen, though...
Jan 02 22:42:13 <luron> hmm i'll look in to those - ty jpt9
Jan 02 22:43:25 <jpt9> thanks.
Jan 02 22:44:31 <luron> http://pupnik.de/kitty_no_foodzor.jpg  heh, i still love this image regarding waiting for the N810 discount
Jan 02 22:45:05 <luron> just totally helpless and bummed out
Jan 02 22:57:08 <blahdeblahN800> Does anyone know if there's a status/roadmap page on Nokia's plans for PIM functionality (esp. calendar)?  I've downloaded GPE, and it seems pretty OK, but i'd like to make sure i'm working with something that has an appropriate future and roadmap on the N800 platform.
Jan 02 22:58:31 <milhouse> There's a general roadmap (http://maemo.org/intro/roadmap.html) but nothing specific to PIM functionality as far as I'm aware
Jan 02 22:59:20 <milhouse> I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for PIM functionality from Nokia - they seem dead set against it.
Jan 02 23:01:27 <blahdeblahN800> Yeah - seems kinda weird
Jan 02 23:01:50 <blahdeblahN800> ANd a Nokia platform without a Java SDK seems very strange to me
Jan 02 23:05:04 <alterego> Probably because of google PIM functions and other web based personal organisation tools.
Jan 02 23:05:12 <alterego> "Internet Tablet"
Jan 02 23:05:29 <blahdeblahN800> alterego: Yeah - i just don't want to share my entire life with Google
Jan 02 23:05:41 <alterego> Setup your own then. There's plenty of options :)
Jan 02 23:05:50 <blahdeblahN800> alterego: any suggestions?
Jan 02 23:06:18 <alterego> Google?
Jan 02 23:06:19 <alterego> :D
Jan 02 23:06:27 <blahdeblahN800> hardeharhar
Jan 02 23:06:33 <blahdeblahN800> :-)
Jan 02 23:06:34 <alterego> Face it, they already own you anyway :P
Jan 02 23:06:43 <blahdeblahN800> :-)
Jan 02 23:07:00 <alterego> If you're interested in PIM apps for the tablets. Keep an eye on "pimloco"
Jan 02 23:07:21 <blahdeblahN800> I mean do you have any suggestions about the number of options for setting up my own web-based ones.
Jan 02 23:07:22 <alterego> Or maybe pimlico
Jan 02 23:07:24 <alterego> I forget.
Jan 02 23:07:50 <alterego> No, not really. But I'm sure there are countless numbers of CMS' out there and web apps that have PIM functions.
Jan 02 23:07:58 <rm_you> I just need a calendar, and I had a decent one for os2007... i forget what it was though :(
Jan 02 23:08:11 <alterego> Well, the pimloco calendar app is very nice ..
Jan 02 23:08:33 <alterego> Other than that there's the gpe suite. Which I've never really been too impressed by.
Jan 02 23:08:34 <rm_you> i think i was using the GPE one...
Jan 02 23:08:47 <rm_you> http://oss.kernelconcepts.de/maemo/calendar.shtml
Jan 02 23:08:51 <rm_you> that one
Jan 02 23:08:54 <alterego> I'd seriously check out pimlico
Jan 02 23:09:05 <blahdeblahN800> GPE seems functional, but i'm really interested in sync with a web based one.
Jan 02 23:09:46 <blahdeblahN800> Here in .au, there are plenty of places where WiFi is not available, and i need something that works reasonably in offline mode.
Jan 02 23:09:53 <alterego> http://www.pimlico-project.org/dates.html
Jan 02 23:11:35 <alterego> Anyho, bed time. G'night folks.
Jan 02 23:28:08 <bill20r3> has anyone managed to compile carwhisperer, for chinook?
Jan 02 23:29:29 <rm_you> hrm... i want to install pimlico dates, but the binary is missing from their repository >_>
Jan 02 23:29:55 <|tbb|> same here
Jan 02 23:30:30 <|tbb|> rm_you any new experience with a2dp support
Jan 02 23:30:45 <rm_you> |tbb|: well, with the patched mplayer it seems to work pretty well
Jan 02 23:30:53 <rm_you> I can play music with no skipping, even in Kagu
Jan 02 23:30:56 <rm_you> and videos work too!
Jan 02 23:31:19 <rm_you> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=119070&postcount=42
Jan 02 23:31:30 <rm_you> test that deb if you can
Jan 02 23:32:38 <|tbb|> i will give it a try when i am getting my headphones back. do u think there is a chance a2dp works native with os2008?
Jan 02 23:33:16 <rm_you> errr
Jan 02 23:33:21 <rm_you> well, not with the DSP
Jan 02 23:33:27 <rm_you> so it is still going to be a hack
Jan 02 23:33:59 <rm_you> and it will stay that way until Nokia gets around to implimenting it themselves, since to my knowledge the DSP is either closed source or very very tricky? i'm not sure exactly
Jan 02 23:34:56 <dospod> hey
Jan 02 23:35:00 <|tbb|> really sad that wifi and dsp is closed source
Jan 02 23:35:07 <rm_you> >_>
Jan 02 23:35:16 <rm_you> reminds me of SD on the Zaurus
Jan 02 23:35:25 <rm_you> basically brought development to a halt
Jan 02 23:36:43 <dospod> i wis
Jan 02 23:36:46 <dospod> i hope more apps get ported to maemo
Jan 02 23:37:45 <Dist> rm_you: I wonder if mplayer has some switch to disable writing that status crap to stdout =D
Jan 02 23:39:36 <Dist> Ah, "--quiet"
Jan 02 23:39:40 <rm_you> you can put "really-quiet=1"
Jan 02 23:39:42 <rm_you> in config
Jan 02 23:39:42 <rm_you> or
Jan 02 23:39:46 <rm_you> --really-quiet
Jan 02 23:39:46 <dospod> any idea when a ms office format app is gonna be released for maemp
Jan 02 23:40:10 <dospod> maemo*
Jan 02 23:41:35 <Mousey> *shudder*
Jan 02 23:41:52 <Mousey> say, won't gnumeric open xls files?
Jan 02 23:42:19 <dospod> i want doc files supported
Jan 02 23:42:24 <Mousey> if you save your spreadsheets as ods, then gnumeric will open them, i bet. [pivot tables and all ])]
Jan 02 23:42:29 <Mousey> oh
Jan 02 23:44:39 <Mousey> looks like there was abiword once upon a time [another odf supporter] but it seems to be unmaintained on maemo
Jan 02 23:45:10 <dospod> what happened to abi word
Jan 02 23:45:37 <Mousey> donno, thread i googled said it hasn't been maintained since OS2005
Jan 02 23:45:39 <rm_you> I had it on my n800 for 2007
Jan 02 23:45:43 <rm_you> but it didnt work well
Jan 02 23:46:04 <dospod> abi word would be cool
Jan 02 23:46:15 <Mousey> you could always install GarnetVM and use the plethora of Palm doc readers, i suppose
Jan 02 23:46:21 <rm_you> I hate the addition of this language button on the stylus vboard...
Jan 02 23:46:30 <rm_you> i keep hitting it by accident
Jan 02 23:46:41 <rm_you> and it pops up a menu and lags >_>
Jan 02 23:47:03 <dospod> is garnetvm available for os2008
Jan 02 23:47:07 <Mousey> yep
Jan 02 23:47:35 <dospod> i might  have to do that then
Jan 02 23:47:44 <bill20r3> How is it, is it usable enough to replace my palm?
Jan 02 23:47:54 <bill20r3> (yes, I still use a palm)
Jan 02 23:47:55 <rm_you> it works GREAT, *but*
Jan 02 23:48:05 <Mousey> no clue, haven't tried it yet myself. but being a treo owner, i'm intrigued completely =)
Jan 02 23:48:10 <rm_you> it is very small, since they only allow portrait mode
Jan 02 23:48:19 <Mousey> weird
Jan 02 23:48:20 <bill20r3> that's weak.
Jan 02 23:48:21 <rm_you> yeah
Jan 02 23:48:24 <dospod> still useable
Jan 02 23:48:30 <Mousey> hey, it's good to hear it's usable tho
Jan 02 23:48:38 <rm_you> if it could rotate 90 degrees it would actually be exactly palm sized :P
Jan 02 23:48:40 <Mousey> and >320x320 is useless anyway
Jan 02 23:48:47 <bill20r3> I'd  have allready tried it if I didn't have to fork over my email address to download it.
Jan 02 23:48:50 * bill20r3 hates that.
Jan 02 23:48:55 <Mousey> fork?
Jan 02 23:48:56 <dospod> but no onscreen keyboard right?
Jan 02 23:48:57 <rm_you> bill20r3: www.dodgit.org
Jan 02 23:48:58 <rm_you> err
Jan 02 23:49:03 <rm_you> www.dodgit.com
Jan 02 23:49:03 * bill20r3 looks
Jan 02 23:49:14 <rm_you> or, sec
Jan 02 23:49:23 <Mousey> oh, like pookmail
Jan 02 23:49:40 <Mousey> i'd love to see their mail.info files
Jan 02 23:49:47 <rm_you> http://www.access-company.com/cgi/gvm_nseries.cgi?action=download_eula_now&which=N810
Jan 02 23:49:58 <rm_you> they have really weak security
Jan 02 23:50:01 <rm_you> i dont think they care
Jan 02 23:50:15 <rm_you> http://www.access-company.com/products/gvm/garnet-vm_1.0b_n810.deb
Jan 02 23:50:23 <Mousey> ty!
Jan 02 23:50:44 <rm_you> interesting tho, if you saw n800 it will download for os2007 >_>
Jan 02 23:50:50 <rm_you> s/saw/say/
Jan 02 23:50:50 <infobot> rm_you meant: interesting tho, if you say n800 it will download for os2007 >_>
Jan 02 23:51:11 * Mousey <3s his hardware keyboard
Jan 02 23:51:25 <rm_you> i have a bluetooth one
Jan 02 23:51:39 <rm_you> wow.... i thought Modest looked like a cool email client...
Jan 02 23:51:45 <bill20r3> http://www.access-company.com/products/gvm/garnet-vm_1.0b_n800.deb
Jan 02 23:51:46 <rm_you> but so far it refuses to get any of my mail
Jan 02 23:51:51 <rm_you> and is being utterly cryptic
Jan 02 23:51:54 <bill20r3> ^^ the actual link
Jan 02 23:51:56 <Mousey> wow, it's small
Jan 02 23:51:57 <blahdeblahN800> Mousey: what kind of keyboard do you have?
Jan 02 23:52:11 <Mousey> blahdeblahN800: the N810
Jan 02 23:52:14 <rm_you> bill20r3: what OS do you have?
Jan 02 23:52:14 <Mousey> =)
Jan 02 23:52:19 <blahdeblahN800> :-)
Jan 02 23:52:44 <bill20r3> IT2008
Jan 02 23:52:46 <rm_you> bill20r3: then you need the one i linked, the n810 version. the n800 one is built for os2007.
Jan 02 23:52:49 <bill20r3> on an N800
Jan 02 23:52:52 <bill20r3> ahh, ok.
Jan 02 23:53:03 <blahdeblahN800> I was very pleasantly surprised at how well my Dell (thinkoutside) bluetooth keyboard worked with my N800.  Better than with my Axim X50v!
Jan 02 23:53:10 <dospod> bbl battery dead
Jan 02 23:53:14 <rm_you> yeah, i have a thinkoutside
Jan 02 23:53:28 <qos> doesn anyone know how to convert a file to a base64 string?
Jan 02 23:53:37 <Mousey> qos uuencode? ^_^
Jan 02 23:53:46 <blahdeblahN800> rm_you: they're very fragile, in my experience, but the feel is surprisingly good for such a small keyboard.
Jan 02 23:53:53 <rm_you> yeah
Jan 02 23:54:14 <rm_you> i broke off the tablet stand (rather, one of my drunken friends did, lol) but i didnt use it anyway
Jan 02 23:54:25 <rm_you> the rest of it feels fairly sturdy i think
Jan 02 23:55:04 <blahdeblahN800> What model do you have?
Jan 02 23:55:13 <qos> Mousey, how do i use it?
Jan 02 23:55:37 <Mousey> man uuencode
Jan 02 23:55:38 <Mousey> =)
Jan 02 23:55:43 <Mousey> oh wait, no man pages in maemo
Jan 02 23:55:46 * Mousey complains
Jan 02 23:55:57 <blahdeblahN800> rm_you: I have an XTBT01, and the PDA stand broke in two while it was sitting on my desk in its foam packaging.
Jan 02 23:55:59 <qos> Mousey, i can google for it ;)
Jan 02 23:56:07 <Mousey> cat filename.whatever | uuencide
Jan 02 23:56:12 <Mousey> cat filename.whatever | uuencode > filename.uue
Jan 02 23:56:14 <Mousey> or something
Jan 02 23:56:20 <Mousey> i haven't used it in years
Jan 02 23:57:04 <blahdeblahN800> rm_you: (folded up, that is)
Jan 02 23:57:31 <rm_you> lol
Jan 02 23:57:51 <rm_you> XTBT01 also
Jan 02 23:58:23 <blahdeblahN800> I wasn't laughing.  :-(
Jan 02 23:59:06 <kbsingh> so kids, here is a lesson to remember - dont bid on shit at ebay till you read the whole article post
Jan 02 23:59:35 * kbsingh is the proud owner of a class-2 minisdhc 8 gig card
Jan 02 23:59:37 <kbsingh> :(
Jan 02 23:59:37 <blahdeblahN800> kbsingh: now that's an LOL
Jan 02 23:59:51 <Mousey> kbsingh: holy crap
Jan 02 23:59:53 <kbsingh> i did get it for like 8 bucks though
Jan 02 23:59:56 <Mousey> m8gb mini?!
Jan 03 00:00:01 <blahdeblahN800> :-)
Jan 03 00:00:04 <Mousey> mini 8gb?
Jan 03 00:00:06 <Mousey> not micro?
Jan 03 00:00:08 <kbsingh> but a class2 device.
Jan 03 00:00:17 <Mousey> i donno what that means
Jan 03 00:00:22 <kbsingh> Mousey: yes, all in the interest of science and all that ..
Jan 03 00:00:30 <kbsingh> Mousey: its the slowest one you can get these days
Jan 03 00:00:35 <Mousey> i didn't know miniSD came in 8gb
Jan 03 00:00:40 <Mousey> oh
Jan 03 00:00:40 <blahdeblahN800> kbsingh: Isn't "read the whole thing first" the #1 rule of eBay? :-)
Jan 03 00:01:06 <kbsingh> blahdeblahN800: is it ? I havent ebayed much, just the odd thing here and there. maybe 2 buys in 6 months average
Jan 03 00:01:07 <blahdeblahN800> kbsingh: Not good for an N800 swap file then?  ;-)
Jan 03 00:01:12 <rm_you> lol $1 per GB isnt bad for flash :P
Jan 03 00:01:44 <kbsingh> rm_you: + 17.5% vat and 2 bob for shipping. but yes, the price isnt bad, is why i clicked through it.
Jan 03 00:03:25 <kbsingh> btw, $friend and I got Fedora8 on a EEE pc today, quite nice. specially since you can get a 16 gig flash card, drop it in, and lvm the whole thing to get 20 gigs local storage on there
Jan 03 00:04:17 <Mousey> kbsingh: 32bg SD on horizon!
Jan 03 00:04:22 <Mousey> gb, i mean
Jan 03 00:04:42 <rm_you> lol
Jan 03 00:04:43 <Dist> rm_you: Ok, I'm running mplayer with avi video (400x300, ~500kbps) -> xv, mp3 audio @ 24kHz, 2ch, 48kbps -> mad -> alsa -> a2dp, works very nicely
Jan 03 00:04:49 <kbsingh> humm.. all i want is working fuse and sshfs on the n810, thats me done
Jan 03 00:05:00 <rm_you> if i were going to put anything on an EEE it would be something super lightweight like debian, heh
Jan 03 00:05:05 <rm_you> but i guess its personal preference
Jan 03 00:05:13 <rm_you> ooooo fuse/sshfs... mmm
Jan 03 00:05:21 <rm_you> :)
Jan 03 00:05:29 <rm_you> the stuff I run is... err... lemmie look
Jan 03 00:05:35 <kbsingh> rm_you: you can get fedora down quite lightweight as well. the setup we got on there booted faster than the preinstalled Xandros stuff. but i guess this is OT here
Jan 03 00:06:06 <kbsingh> what i would also like actually is host mode usb on the n810 :D
Jan 03 00:06:12 <kbsingh> that should open a few interesting doors
Jan 03 00:06:28 <bill20r3> and how.
Jan 03 00:07:06 <Dist> I want my atmel programmer hooked up to that =D
Jan 03 00:07:17 <bill20r3> :-)
Jan 03 00:07:17 <Dist> Wireless programming, mmm
Jan 03 00:07:38 <rm_you> i heard it was fairly simple, no? host mode usb? didn't they basically enable it?
Jan 03 00:08:00 <kbsingh> rm_you: define 'they'
Jan 03 00:08:12 <kbsingh> its not enabled in the kernel thats running on the os2008
Jan 03 00:08:24 <rm_you> :(
Jan 03 00:08:24 <kbsingh> and i saw a path for os2207<varient>
Jan 03 00:08:38 <kbsingh> that did not look like gill bates would be happy with it
Jan 03 00:08:55 <rm_you> ?
Jan 03 00:09:02 <shack008n> gaaaaah Browser be damned
Jan 03 00:09:11 <kbsingh> shack008n: telnet is the future!
Jan 03 00:09:51 <rm_you> Dist: this is my encoding scheme for my n800: abitrate => 128, vbitrate => 1400, width => 400, height => 240, fps => 30
Jan 03 00:10:04 <kbsingh> rm_you: https://www.muru.com/linux/n800-usb-host/
Jan 03 00:10:20 <shack008n> at least telnet  doesn't drain my battery at 100% cpu
Jan 03 00:11:57 <Mousey> hmm,
Jan 03 00:12:04 <shack008n> rm_you: i've tried to transcode videos on the fly at a smaller size from my laptop to the n800,  but none of the options i tried would work
Jan 03 00:12:10 <Mousey> anyone know why i can't xfer files back and forth from n810 to treo700p?
Jan 03 00:12:19 <Mousey> (via bluetooth)
Jan 03 00:12:24 <rm_you> shack008n: you use mediaserv?
Jan 03 00:12:33 <rm_you> it works quite well for me
Jan 03 00:12:50 <shack008n> rm_you: i was just using vlc
Jan 03 00:13:11 <Dist> rm_you: I've got similar, maybe fps 25 and vbitrate a bit less than you have there.. Yeah, but this vid was crap to start with..
Jan 03 00:13:19 <shack008n> rm_you: (vlc can stream and transcode)
Jan 03 00:13:31 <rm_you> yeah
Jan 03 00:13:45 <shack008n> rm_you: what's this mediaserv?
Jan 03 00:13:48 <rm_you> i've never liked VLCs transcoding though....
Jan 03 00:13:56 <rm_you> and as you said, it didn't work :P
Jan 03 00:14:02 <shack008n> rm_you: heh
Jan 03 00:14:23 <rm_you> https://www.muru.com/linux/n800-usb-host/
Jan 03 00:14:25 <rm_you> ack
Jan 03 00:14:26 <shack008n> rm_you: i could get only audio
Jan 03 00:14:31 <rm_you> sorry, wrong pastebuffer
Jan 03 00:14:35 <rm_you> http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org/mediaserv.html
Jan 03 00:15:04 <rm_you> it's really sweet
Jan 03 00:15:07 <shack008n> rm_you: cool
Jan 03 00:16:28 <shack008n> rm_you: and can i skip back and forth?
Jan 03 00:17:16 <rm_you> no :( unfortunately, streams like this don't let you skip
Jan 03 00:17:19 <Dist> Oooh, those sysfs nodes exist on N810 without any modifications
Jan 03 00:17:47 <Mousey> holy!!!
Jan 03 00:17:59 <Mousey> THIS is how i'll integrate it into my mythtv setup!! TY!!
Jan 03 00:18:21 <rm_you> ? mediaserv?
Jan 03 00:22:02 <Mousey> ^_^
Jan 03 00:22:29 <jpuderer> Does anyone here have a pinout for the gold pads next to the battery on the n800?
Jan 03 00:23:30 <Dist> jtag?
Jan 03 00:24:54 <jpuderer> Well, some of them are serial pins.  If there is JTAG, it would certainly be nice to have the pinout.
Jan 03 00:26:58 <Dist> Ah, right
Jan 03 00:27:05 <shack008n> i miss opera :/
Jan 03 00:27:18 <rm_you> same
Jan 03 00:29:21 <shack008n> anyone with an n800 can try if this page makes their browsers cry? (my cpu bar is all blue)
Jan 03 00:29:25 <shack008n> http://www.beppegrillo.it/2008/01/la_giustizia_di.html
Jan 03 00:30:58 <sparr> trying to sell my 770s, anyone buying?
Jan 03 00:31:19 <shack008n> frack, i'll see it via vnc :(
Jan 03 00:33:23 <rm_you> loaded fine here, heh
Jan 03 00:34:11 <rm_you> wow, youtube works inline with 2008
Jan 03 00:34:27 <rm_you> very badly, but it does, lo
Jan 03 00:34:29 <rm_you> *lol
Jan 03 00:34:44 <shack008n> not so badly
Jan 03 00:35:19 <rm_you> VEEEERY laggy on mine
Jan 03 00:35:25 <rm_you> unwatchable
Jan 03 00:36:35 <shack008n> i watched a couple of vids yesterday night
Jan 03 00:42:36 <dospod> hey
Jan 03 00:45:43 <jga23> is there a vnc viewer for os2008?
Jan 03 00:46:51 <dospod> i belive so
Jan 03 00:53:02 <jga23> I know there was one for os2007, but I can't find it for 08
Jan 03 01:01:44 <qos> jga23, yes there is
Jan 03 01:02:31 <qos> its called "vncviewer"
Jan 03 01:03:02 <qos> and you can find it here: https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=119
Jan 03 01:04:05 <rm_you> hrm, still need my clock applet, then i'm good
Jan 03 01:04:47 <jga23> qos: thanks
Jan 03 01:05:16 <qos> has anyone noticed, that you can use icq, aim & msn with the new OS2008?
Jan 03 01:05:59 <jga23> without pidgen?
Jan 03 01:06:24 <qos> jga23, yeah
Jan 03 01:09:54 <jga23> does it work with google chat?
Jan 03 01:12:51 <qos> is googlechat supported by pidgin?
Jan 03 01:12:57 <jga23> yeah
Jan 03 01:13:34 <qos> is google chat the same as google talk?
Jan 03 01:13:45 <jga23> yep
Jan 03 01:13:53 <qos> so i think it is
Jan 03 01:14:05 <dospod> how can u use aim without pidgin
Jan 03 01:14:40 <Mousey> meebo!
Jan 03 01:14:57 <qos> dospod,  http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org/ look for "Telepathy-haze"
Jan 03 01:42:20 <rm_you> i need a statusbarclock >_>
Jan 03 01:42:26 <rm_you> i guess i will try to port it
Jan 03 01:42:33 <rm_you> looks like development on it died
Jan 03 01:51:28 <dospod> yea more apps
Jan 03 02:09:12 <ReverseGTR> rm_you: wouldn't a program like a statusbar clock be pretty much completed and not be chipset dependent?
Jan 03 02:09:24 <rm_you> yeah but it is UI dependent
Jan 03 02:09:35 <rm_you> IE, it installs, but it royally borks the UI :P
Jan 03 02:09:53 <rm_you> i mean, it REALLY explodes
Jan 03 02:11:18 <ReverseGTR> rm_you: I am sure it has to do with the resolution of the image and is the app skinnable?
Jan 03 02:11:41 <rm_you> no idea
Jan 03 02:12:05 <rm_you> i'm trying to build it and it looks like it is built on deprecated or renamed hildon libs
Jan 03 02:32:24 <celesteh> yo
Jan 03 02:32:41 <celesteh> is the maeo repository still on winter break or is it back up now?
Jan 03 02:49:49 <jga23> is there a way to access gpe todo db from python using libtododb?
Jan 03 02:56:20 <celesteh> good question!  I don't know the answer, though and it seems like everybody is idle
Jan 03 02:56:49 <Fang64> lol
Jan 03 02:57:12 <Fang64> anyone have trouble with skype having audio issues like breaking up
Jan 03 02:57:15 <celesteh> one non-idle person!
Jan 03 02:57:18 <Fang64> on the N800 running OS2008
Jan 03 02:57:22 <Fang64> indeed
Jan 03 02:57:28 <Fang64> gizmo seems to work
Jan 03 02:57:33 <celesteh> i don't know the answer to yours either
Jan 03 02:57:34 <Fang64> but skype seems to have some issues
Jan 03 02:58:00 <celesteh> is the repo back up?  I didn't want to go to 2008 while it was on winter vacation
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