**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jan 03 02:59:56 2008
Jan 03 03:02:58 <Fang64> uhm
Jan 03 03:03:00 <Fang64> yes
Jan 03 03:03:10 <Fang64> but I seem to have sound issues
Jan 03 03:05:39 <Fang64> I thought about uninstalling and reinstalling skype
Jan 03 03:05:44 <Fang64> but I've done some hackish things
Jan 03 03:05:50 <Fang64> to get some programs installed
Jan 03 03:05:55 <Fang64> it would break the packages
Jan 03 03:12:49 <Fang64> didn't realize they re-released OS2008
Jan 03 03:16:50 <blast007> Fang64: have you tried Skype on a PC to see if it's something with your connection itself?
Jan 03 03:17:02 <blast007> it'd at least narrow down where the issues could be
Jan 03 03:55:19 <hniceman> nokia?
Jan 03 03:56:25 <dospod> hey
Jan 03 03:56:47 <hniceman> yes?
Jan 03 03:57:18 <dospod> just saying hello
Jan 03 03:57:40 <hniceman> could you give me some quick info?
Jan 03 03:57:49 <dospod> depends
Jan 03 03:57:55 <dospod> ill try though
Jan 03 03:58:28 <hniceman> well yesturday i got a irc channel for nokia software today its gone?
Jan 03 03:58:52 <dospod> i dont understand
Jan 03 03:59:01 <hniceman> great thanks
Jan 03 03:59:30 <dospod> elaborate more
Jan 03 04:00:01 <hniceman> where do i go to get nokia apps for my phone on here ?
Jan 03 04:00:32 <dospod> maemo isnt for phones
Jan 03 04:00:43 <hniceman> i see that
Jan 03 04:00:52 <dospod> this is for the nokia tablets
Jan 03 04:01:16 <dospod> so your not gonna find phone software here
Jan 03 04:01:36 <dospod> your going to find tablet software here
Jan 03 04:01:47 <hniceman> wow really ????? of course i wont
Jan 03 04:07:13 <dospod> hey doc
Jan 03 06:12:31 <Fang64> blast007: my connection works for skype just fine, if your curious my desktop has no connection issues, it acts like it's a cellphone breaking up
Jan 03 06:15:05 <oil> huh?
Jan 03 06:17:09 <moontiger_> hi ... doesanyone know how to get xchat installed on the n810?
Jan 03 06:20:30 <rm_you> http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/xchat_2.8.4-chinook0-beta1_armel.deb
Jan 03 06:23:39 <moontiger_> wow thanks
Jan 03 06:23:53 <moontiger_> are there any dependencies i need to know about?
Jan 03 06:25:22 <rm_you> don't know
Jan 03 06:25:33 <rm_you> if there are, it will tell you when you try to install it
Jan 03 06:25:42 <moontiger_> ok thnx
Jan 03 06:25:44 <moontiger_> :)
Jan 03 06:31:22 <unique311> rm_you is 2.8 hildonize?
Jan 03 06:31:30 <moontiger_> sorry ... i haveanother question too if thats ok
Jan 03 06:31:52 <moontiger_> the eclipse plug-in for scratchbox doesnt seem to work properly ... is that a known issue?
Jan 03 06:31:55 <oil> hi, do you know if there is a gsm/amr codec available for n810?
Jan 03 06:31:58 <moontiger_> or did i stuff something up?
Jan 03 06:37:16 <unique311> moontiger_, xchat installed without problems...
Jan 03 06:37:27 <kulve> oil: I think amr encoder/decoder is there. Closed source.
Jan 03 06:38:04 <moontiger_> thnx unique :)
Jan 03 06:41:34 <oil> kulve: I'm trying to get n810 to work with my asterisk. seems to have wierd problems.. but it could be also the server itself
Jan 03 06:45:13 <user__> nice! using it now thnx guys :)
Jan 03 06:47:12 <user__> anick lauren
Jan 03 06:47:16 <user__> ooops
Jan 03 06:48:03 <unique311> i can see how xchat would be much better on the n810
Jan 03 06:48:27 <Unique311_N811> typing with onscreen kb sucks.
Jan 03 06:48:50 <moontiger_> its actually really nice ... im logged on with itnow
Jan 03 06:49:12 <unique311> n800 or 810?
Jan 03 06:50:57 <unique311> ok, that was a mistake.
Jan 03 06:51:18 <unique311> i didn't know that i could change the topic.
Jan 03 06:51:39 <oil> unique311: once again.. whole year full of Mondays? ;)
Jan 03 06:52:14 <unique311> sorry for that mistake
Jan 03 06:52:27 <unique311> i thought only ops can change topics.
Jan 03 06:54:01 <oil> unique311 don't worry about that. mistakes happen. if there are no mistakes, there is nothing new created.
Jan 03 06:54:50 <unique311> i was thinking
Jan 03 06:55:07 <unique311> wow, i can change what shows in the topic in xchat for my viewing.
Jan 03 06:55:09 <unique311> lol
Jan 03 06:55:32 <unique311> 249 people saw what i wanted my topic to say.
Jan 03 06:56:36 <oil> in finland we tend to go drink loads of vodka, go to sauna with workmates.. and then tell what we really think. purifying experience :)
Jan 03 06:57:24 <unique311> hmm...in america we skip all that and just tell them what we really think.
Jan 03 06:57:29 <unique311> maybe not in america
Jan 03 06:57:34 <unique311> in NYC that is.
Jan 03 06:57:40 <vegai> Have they cancelled the Maemo $100 N810 dev program or something?
Jan 03 06:57:46 <derf> In America we don't think.
Jan 03 06:57:59 <unique311> did the n810 even hit the markets yet?
Jan 03 06:58:05 <unique311> don't hear much about it.
Jan 03 06:58:11 <vegai> about a month ago
Jan 03 06:58:21 <unique311> wow
Jan 03 06:58:35 <unique311> thought the biggest news was chinook for december.
Jan 03 06:58:37 <vegai> or two weeks, perhaps. But before christmas anyway
Jan 03 06:59:12 <unique311> actually the servers not working was pretty good news
Jan 03 07:00:05 <unique311> hey konttori, i can't seem to install the ukmp anymore.
Jan 03 07:00:13 <unique311> when are ya going to fix this
Jan 03 07:01:26 <konttori> hmm... looking into it now.
Jan 03 07:02:17 <unique311> well got it to install now.
Jan 03 07:02:39 <konttori> what was the problem?
Jan 03 07:02:40 <unique311> before i was getting a hildon-l??
Jan 03 07:02:54 <unique311> missing
Jan 03 07:03:27 <konttori> odd... perhaps missing repo
Jan 03 07:04:25 <unique311> perhaps.  its fixed now.
Jan 03 07:05:26 <unique311> pretty happy with my IT now, i have my conalos, kagus, ukmps, videocenters...
Jan 03 07:05:32 <unique311> what more can i ask for.
Jan 03 07:06:28 <unique311> what i've been asking for for a long time i guess, a descent paint app.   maemopad+, xournal is not cutting it.
Jan 03 07:07:37 <konttori> yeah. paint app would be good
Jan 03 07:07:49 <konttori> there was a good one for the 770 back in the days
Jan 03 07:07:53 <konttori> but now it's gone
Jan 03 07:23:57 <Fang64> uhm skype still acting up
Jan 03 07:24:12 <Fang64> I wonder if it has to deal with libglade being replaced
Jan 03 07:52:05 <guardian> where in the world is the kernel source ? :)
Jan 03 07:52:23 <guardian> even more exciting than carmen san diego ;)
Jan 03 07:52:33 <Fang64> lol
Jan 03 07:53:39 <Fang64> so the SDK doesn't include kernel sources?
Jan 03 07:54:42 <Fang64> or is it in the sources repo
Jan 03 07:56:41 <LoCusF> kernel-source-rx-34
Jan 03 08:54:07 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Jan 03 09:10:50 <Fang64_> defnitely morning
Jan 03 10:09:51 <blithe> Anyone know the name of that application dock that sits at the bottom of your screen for quick app launching?
Jan 03 10:10:23 <blithe> I saw a screenshot of it awhile back, but forgot to note the name.
Jan 03 10:11:02 <hahlo> what should i put in parameter for flasher-3.0 to disable rd-mode?
Jan 03 10:12:05 <timeless> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=94459&postcount=2 seems to explain how to un rd mode
Jan 03 10:13:33 <timeless> otoh, from memory, just running flasher(3) w/ no params gives help
Jan 03 10:13:40 <timeless> as seen in http://news.nopcode.org/pancake/post_62.html
Jan 03 10:18:15 <ustunozgur1> is there a way to make quick searches using "g asd" or "w asd" as in desktop opera?
Jan 03 10:18:27 <ustunozgur1> using the address bar
Jan 03 10:18:48 <timeless> ustunozgur1: if you type more than one word, it'll automatically use google...
Jan 03 10:19:09 <ustunozgur1> ok thanks
Jan 03 10:20:03 <ustunozgur1> in os2008 i suppose?
Jan 03 10:20:17 <timeless> in a current microb i suppose
Jan 03 10:20:28 <ustunozgur1> b/c no good on os 2007
Jan 03 10:20:30 <ustunozgur1> ok
Jan 03 10:22:58 <hahlo> apparently just change 'enable' to 'disable' what features doesn't work in non-rd-mode?
Jan 03 10:23:45 <timeless> ideally you lose green boot text, rd-flags, and the ability to use a passphrase for root
Jan 03 10:23:55 <timeless> ssh keys still work for root
Jan 03 10:31:39 <adamspiers> is it just me or does Chinook not let you connect to hidden WLANs via the GUI? some hackery involving iwconfig or similar required?
Jan 03 10:31:56 <timeless> you have to use connection manager
Jan 03 10:32:00 <timeless> which is very much a gui
Jan 03 10:32:25 <adamspiers> ah
Jan 03 10:33:43 <adamspiers> ah, found it
Jan 03 10:33:46 <adamspiers> missed it 1st time
Jan 03 10:33:48 <adamspiers> thanks!
Jan 03 10:38:53 <hahlo> ok, and gain more battery life disabling rd-mode
Jan 03 10:39:25 <timeless> you're welcome to measure that :)
Jan 03 10:39:26 <blithe> What's rd-mode again?
Jan 03 10:39:40 <hahlo> how much more, is there powertop for os2007?
Jan 03 10:40:47 <hahlo> btw is there any throughly guide somewhere howto hack n800?
Jan 03 10:42:10 <hahlo> I have found only this and samekind of pages| http://www.informit.com/guides/content.aspx?g=security&seqNum=249&rl=1
Jan 03 10:42:30 <hahlo> but would need more deep hacks
Jan 03 10:53:12 <kulve> hahlo: you can do pretty much with the device.. There's no point telling *everything* on some wiki page. Most of the stuf is just normal linux "hacking"
Jan 03 10:53:19 <kulve> hahlo: what do you want to do?
Jan 03 11:24:49 <hahlo> kulve: hmm. just change it diffrent I guess.
Jan 03 11:32:02 <Jaffa> hahlo: you can do that ;-)
Jan 03 11:33:20 <kulve> yeah, there's a "change theme" option in the home menu ;)
Jan 03 11:34:43 <hahlo> No, I ment more profound, custom kernel + boot loader, windowmanager and normal things everybody do with pc-linux.
Jan 03 11:34:58 <kulve> hahlo: that was a joke
Jan 03 11:35:06 <hahlo> ah, ok :)
Jan 03 11:36:07 <kulve> custom kernel is trivial (when they release the latest sources). You can't mess with the boot loader, that's closed. You can play with the windowmanager, but I'm not sure if there's much need for that
Jan 03 11:36:46 <Jaffa> e.g. penguinbait has had KDE and WindowMaker running
Jan 03 11:37:21 <hahlo> can I give any options to bootloader, like splash=verbose
Jan 03 11:38:08 <Jaffa> R&D mode puts some splash screen verbosity up
Jan 03 11:38:37 <kulve> I think those has nothing to do with the bootloader but initfs
Jan 03 11:40:36 <timeless> maemo-devel has a patch to the kernel which may or may not be the complete patch set
Jan 03 11:40:48 <timeless> i don't cross reference the kernel, so i don't know if it is
Jan 03 11:41:04 <timeless> (the kernel is not part of the main build system...)
Jan 03 11:41:32 <Jaffa> Hence, presumably, the lack of source
Jan 03 11:42:08 <kulve> timeless: that was just some dsp related patch
Jan 03 11:42:31 <timeless> did i mention not knowing anything about kernels? :)
Jan 03 11:43:16 <hahlo> so I cannot compile custom kernel to os 2007/2008?
Jan 03 11:43:54 <kulve> hahlo: you can, but the latest sources for the kernel (2008) hasn't been released yet
Jan 03 11:43:59 <lardman> morning
Jan 03 11:48:41 <Cptnodegard> :D:D:D:D:D
Jan 03 11:48:50 <Cptnodegard> got a post notice to go pick up the n800 ^^
Jan 03 11:49:18 <lardman> urgh, I only saw the n8 bit and thought it was about the n810!
Jan 03 11:49:21 <lardman> :)
Jan 03 11:50:06 <Cptnodegard> im in norway - and i ordered the n800 form a store here a day before i ordered a leather case for it from china. both came today >.<
Jan 03 11:50:23 <hahlo> kulve: ok, good to know. i always did that with familiar-ipaqs
Jan 03 11:56:49 <Tak> bonjour!
Jan 03 11:57:29 <keesj> coucou
Jan 03 11:59:56 <Tak> coujoub?
Jan 03 12:04:52 <keesj> how many people speak french here?
Jan 03 12:04:54 * keesj does
Jan 03 12:05:10 * Jaffa parle un petit peu de franÂcais
Jan 03 12:06:54 * Tak parle un petit peu aussi
Jan 03 12:07:35 <guerby> blah blah français
Jan 03 12:07:41 <guerby> bonne année keesj
Jan 03 12:07:55 * Tak poniard guerby a l'ecossais
Jan 03 12:32:32 <Cptnodegard> where do i find software version on the 800?
Jan 03 12:32:46 <EY> OS version?
Jan 03 12:32:56 <Cptnodegard> yes
Jan 03 12:33:02 <EY> Control Panel -> About Product
Jan 03 12:33:53 <Cptnodegard> thx
Jan 03 12:34:15 <Tak> are you the Cptnodegard from #anythingbutipod?
Jan 03 12:35:20 <Cptnodegard> yes
Jan 03 12:35:53 <Tak> cool - greetings
Jan 03 12:35:59 <Cptnodegard> ^^
Jan 03 12:36:13 <Cptnodegard> abi people are everywhere :D
Jan 03 12:36:50 <Tak> indeed - although I never did end up getting a cowon player
Jan 03 14:21:10 <|tbb|> i wonder if it is possible to get the hardware keyboard of n810 automaticly switch to numbers if iam in a input box where only numbers will be allowed. on microb and on maemo ported apps. could anyone write a bug for that
Jan 03 14:37:14 <Cptnodegard> YES!"
Jan 03 14:37:19 <Cptnodegard> my usb otg cable works'
Jan 03 14:42:00 <EY> is there a dvorak keyboard layout for os2008? so, i can use my BT keyboard with the n800.
Jan 03 14:42:34 <Tak> anybody feel like being a gngeo guinea pig?
Jan 03 14:43:53 <|tbb|> Cptnodegard: what device you have and what u have device u have plugged on the nxxx
Jan 03 14:46:47 <Cptnodegard> just got my n800. updated to os2008, and tested the cable i made for it. crucial flash pen and logitech ps2 keyboard with a ps2-usb adapter both mounted and works
Jan 03 14:49:46 <shackan> Cptnodegard: otg on the n800 ?
Jan 03 14:49:57 <Cptnodegard> yes, with os2008
Jan 03 14:50:28 <Cptnodegard> you just have to hack together an adapter (for auto sweitching to otg), or do it manually (which i have no idea how you do, had the thign for two hours xD)
Jan 03 14:51:42 <|tbb|> now we need an microusb 2 native usb cable converter
Jan 03 14:52:35 <Cptnodegard> yeah... much simpler with 800 since it has miniUSB
Jan 03 14:53:43 <inz> Cpt, is there a way to umount the stick via UI?
Jan 03 14:53:51 <Cptnodegard> um didnt try
Jan 03 14:53:55 <Cptnodegard> just pulled it out
Jan 03 14:54:02 <Cptnodegard> connected to PC now so cant try
Jan 03 14:54:25 <Cptnodegard> http://captain-odegard.com/n800/PICT0719.jpg
Jan 03 14:54:29 <Cptnodegard> overkill, anyone?
Jan 03 14:55:27 <Tak> I prefer a larger monitor :-P
Jan 03 14:56:35 <Cptnodegard> laptop is a hassle :p
Jan 03 14:56:47 <Vulcanis> Your mo-- Its not even worth it at this hour.
Jan 03 14:58:31 <tsavola> 5 pm?
Jan 03 15:00:21 <anders_> What is status of n810 in european shops and developersprogram code?
Jan 03 15:01:15 <kulve> anders_: no status, afaik
Jan 03 15:01:27 <kulve> for the code
Jan 03 15:01:53 <anders_> Ok, then I haven't missed anything during my vaccation I guess.
Jan 03 15:01:54 <sk> Cptnodegard: hehe nice pic
Jan 03 15:02:35 <kulve> anders_: you havent :/
Jan 03 15:13:13 <sp3000> kulve: so does hildon-mime-summon launch an image the first time if you add the good old sleep(5) at the end? :)
Jan 03 15:13:34 <kulve> sp3000: I haven't tried..
Jan 03 15:13:36 <Tak> that sounds like the best spell ever
Jan 03 15:13:42 * Tak Summon Dire Mime
Jan 03 15:13:48 <Cptnodegard> gmonna sound utterly stupid but where do i get programs like mplayer, which isnt in the list?
Jan 03 15:14:23 <kulve> sp3000: I think it did show the image for me in the first try, but it didn't play the mp3 until the second launch..
Jan 03 15:18:12 <sp3000> Cptnodegard: were you looking for http://gronmayer.com/it ?
Jan 03 15:18:38 <Cptnodegard> nice thx
Jan 03 15:21:06 <|tbb|> wow -> http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org/
Jan 03 15:22:53 <|tbb|> does this means i can irc from built in IM
Jan 03 15:24:38 <Tak> hmm, that's pretty nice if so
Jan 03 15:24:39 <Blafasel> Since pidgin supports irc I'd carefully guess that you can, yes
Jan 03 15:25:03 <|tbb|> yeah, thats what i call an internettablet
Jan 03 15:26:45 <ptman> what? finally, I've got to try this out
Jan 03 15:28:04 <|tbb|> Telepathy-salut: should work for adhoc connection, hehe my n800 will be a spycam then ;)
Jan 03 15:30:32 <sk> mines a toiletcam
Jan 03 15:30:39 <sk> haha
Jan 03 15:30:48 <Cptnodegard> got some q's... 1: the camera thing in the repository, what does it do? 2: mplayer and x-chat, not out for os2008?
Jan 03 15:33:15 <Tak> the camera app takes still shots
Jan 03 15:33:20 <kulve> Cptnodegard: you can take (bad quality) shots with the camera app
Jan 03 15:33:33 <Tak> I thought there was a 2008 release of maemo-xchat
Jan 03 15:34:03 <zoran> Tak, I found irssi working perfect on my 770
Jan 03 15:34:42 <pierlux> Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.0/free/libx/libxt/libxt-dev_1.0.5-2osso1_i386.deb  MD5Sum mismatch <-- someone can help me?
Jan 03 15:34:52 * Tak shrugs
Jan 03 15:34:55 <Tak> I prefer xchat
Jan 03 15:35:09 <zoran> k
Jan 03 15:35:43 <Tak> plus I wrote a fairly involved xchat plugin that I like to use :-P
Jan 03 15:35:56 <kulve> pierlux: try using "repo.maemo.org" instead of "repository.maemo.org"?
Jan 03 15:36:29 <zoran> on mailing list people declare the problem was solved
Jan 03 15:36:40 <kulve> it seems that it still is not for all
Jan 03 15:36:42 <zoran> or not?
Jan 03 15:38:25 <pierlux> seems to work
Jan 03 15:38:29 <Jaffa> Cptnodegard: mplayer for chinook is in extras-devel
Jan 03 15:38:35 <pierlux> whats the diff between repo and repository?
Jan 03 15:38:42 <zoran> server
Jan 03 15:38:52 <pierlux> ok
Jan 03 15:38:58 <zoran> as I know
Jan 03 15:39:02 <kulve> pierlux: there's some problems with akamai caches and it caches only "repository.maemo.org"
Jan 03 15:39:12 <Jaffa> WTF does rtcomm need red pill?
Jan 03 15:39:16 <kulve> *.maemo.org seems to be the same thing, but not cached..
Jan 03 15:40:01 <guardian> http://pastebin.com/d65e46aeb i'm having an error: Extraneous text after `else' directive at line 5
Jan 03 15:40:08 <guardian> any idea by chance ? :(
Jan 03 15:40:26 <kulve> Jaffa: maybe because it's not an official release..?
Jan 03 15:43:16 <inz> guardian, your make doesn't suppot else ifeq
Jan 03 15:43:30 <guardian> it's make 3.80
Jan 03 15:44:00 <inz> guardian, does this work: http://pastebin.com/m582dc524
Jan 03 15:44:33 <Cptnodegard> Jaffa: thanks found it. xchat is in maemo hackers... and the extras dev thing says not for normal use. meaning no point in installing?
Jan 03 15:44:53 <inz> Cpt, there's some better xchat somewhere
Jan 03 15:45:47 <guardian> inz: haha, make 3.80 takes your version but now make 3.81 rejects it :)
Jan 03 15:45:52 <|tbb|> what is less cpu-power eater, a python script which should fire up an event (a script for example) every minute or a bash script?
Jan 03 15:46:10 <inz> guardian, *doh*
Jan 03 15:46:19 <Cptnodegard> inz: like where? need an irc client
Jan 03 15:46:43 <guardian> inz: complains about a missing endif :(
Jan 03 15:46:49 <inz> Cpt, http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/
Jan 03 15:47:00 <zoran> |tbb|, probably shell script
Jan 03 15:47:17 <zoran> python could be a hog on smaller device
Jan 03 15:47:18 <Cptnodegard> wowzor o.o
Jan 03 15:47:27 <||cw> depends on what the script does, but python will have more overhead
Jan 03 15:48:12 <||cw> some things are very inefficient to do in bash, requiring calling out to other binaries
Jan 03 15:48:46 <guardian> inz: in fact your version doesn't work, it just ended before for other reasons
Jan 03 15:48:53 <zoran> how it goes to make bash default on 800/810?
Jan 03 15:49:13 <zoran> I stranded myself with bash and scirocco
Jan 03 15:49:33 <Tak> python will definitely use more memory than a bash script
Jan 03 15:49:33 <||cw> edit the passwd?
Jan 03 15:50:07 <zoran> ||cw, and I changed a line or two in shells file
Jan 03 15:50:15 <zoran> and killed the 700
Jan 03 15:50:19 <lardman> hmm, I can't install the rtcomm installer
Jan 03 15:51:58 <Robot101> lardman: what happens?
Jan 03 15:52:09 <Jaffa> lardman: I guess it doesn't have a "Section: user/...", hence the need for red pill mode (bad bad bad instructions)
Jan 03 15:52:16 <lardman> it wants libhildonmime0 1.10.1
Jan 03 15:52:27 <||cw> zoran: a users shell is set by passwd
Jan 03 15:52:30 <lardman> I only have libhildonmime0 1.10.0-1
Jan 03 15:53:20 <lardman> shame, as it looks quite cool - more backends to the built in IM
Jan 03 15:53:57 <lardman> unless I've screwed up somewhere I guess we need to wait for that to be fixed, or for the updated libhildonmime0 to be added to extras
Jan 03 15:54:05 <shackan> lardman: hi
Jan 03 15:54:11 <lardman> hi shackan
Jan 03 15:54:24 <zoran> ||cw, I knew, but overdone it
Jan 03 15:55:06 <shackan> lardman: dsp question, from the ml it looks like the dsp can actually run more tasks in parallel, does it have more hardware execution paths internally or what ?
Jan 03 15:55:14 <zoran> ||cw, chsh should be enough, but was not
Jan 03 15:55:43 <shackan> (or does it just fake it like single core processors do?)
Jan 03 15:56:15 <lardman> shackan: it's threaded
Jan 03 15:56:38 <inz> guardian, it worked the last time I tried it
Jan 03 15:56:42 <shackan> lardman: cool, how many ?
Jan 03 15:56:42 <inz> guardian, but it's been a while
Jan 03 15:57:02 <lardman> shackan: so it uses processor interrupts (I presume) to give each thread a time slice
Jan 03 15:57:13 <shackan> ahhhh ok
Jan 03 15:57:20 <lardman> shackan: no idea how many is the maximum, but it may be 255 (I seem to remember seeing that somewhere)
Jan 03 15:57:48 <shackan> but they execute concurrently and not in really parallel, right?
Jan 03 15:57:54 <shackan> *really in
Jan 03 15:58:05 <lardman> shackan: doesn't everything unless it's got more than one core? ;)
Jan 03 15:58:12 <shackan> yeah
Jan 03 15:58:20 <Cptnodegard> does pidgin have irc?
Jan 03 15:58:28 <lardman> Cptnodegard: yes iirc
Jan 03 15:58:31 <guardian> inz: i meant your altered version of the makefile extract :)
Jan 03 15:58:33 <|tbb|> it has
Jan 03 15:58:39 <lardman> shackan: why do you ask?
Jan 03 15:58:43 <shackan> lardman: but it could have had more 'hardware threads' like the niagara chips etc :)
Jan 03 15:58:49 <Cptnodegard> ^^
Jan 03 15:59:15 <inz> guardian, ahh that one
Jan 03 15:59:30 <shackan> lardman: just curious, I was interested if it had true parallelism
Jan 03 15:59:31 <lardman> shackan: ah, i see. I don't know then, but from reading the docs it looks like there are threads of different priorities - from hw interrupt handler, sw handler, device driver, task, idle task, etc.
Jan 03 15:59:31 <inz> guardian, well, then you're bummed ;)
Jan 03 15:59:44 <guardian> inz: make is such a bliss ... :)
Jan 03 16:00:00 <lardman> shackan: some operations can be parallelised, but not entire threads (I don;t think anyway)
Jan 03 16:01:45 * Tak shake head @ ITT
Jan 03 16:02:16 <|tbb|> i wonder if it is possible to get the hardware keyboard of n810 automaticly switch to numbers if iam in an input box where only numbers will be allowed. on microb and on maemo ported apps. could anyone write a bug for that
Jan 03 16:03:05 <zoran> it depends of software, not kb
Jan 03 16:03:15 <Jaffa> Tak: what in particular?
Jan 03 16:04:14 <Cptn-N800> Yes it has irc ^^
Jan 03 16:04:29 <zoran> someone knows repository for palm (garnet vm) apps?
Jan 03 16:04:45 <zoran> free, of possible
Jan 03 16:04:50 <zoran> *if
Jan 03 16:05:06 <shackan> you should really ask palm :D maemo doesn't distribute palm programs
Jan 03 16:05:21 <zoran> I know
Jan 03 16:05:36 <zoran> and all of them look pretty stupid to even think to install
Jan 03 16:05:42 <Tak> heh, just the gaming forum
Jan 03 16:06:10 <zoran> shackan, we are talking about garnet vm for maemo
Jan 03 16:06:16 <shackan> i know
Jan 03 16:06:21 <zoran> :)
Jan 03 16:06:24 <Tak> not ITT itself, but some of the posts thereon
Jan 03 16:06:27 <zoran> not that I need it
Jan 03 16:06:48 <|tbb|> zoran could u write a bug for improvment for next os update
Jan 03 16:07:08 <zoran> hm, I'm still on 770
Jan 03 16:07:15 <zoran> it is not so valuable
Jan 03 16:07:37 * luron_ waves the 'better dpad!' flag in the corner
Jan 03 16:08:26 <zoran> |tbb|, my first wish would be os behaving just like any "normal" one
Jan 03 16:08:33 <zoran> no sudo
Jan 03 16:08:42 <Tak> luron_: have you tried the new gngeo?
Jan 03 16:08:51 <zoran> n810 could be run just in console, I think
Jan 03 16:09:02 <luron_> sorry tak, not yet
Jan 03 16:09:28 <luron_> looks great by all accounts though!
Jan 03 16:09:30 <Tak> not a problem - just wondering if I'm the only one for whom the onscreen buttons show up before blanking
Jan 03 16:09:42 <alterego> I take it there's still no news on the device program discount codes?
Jan 03 16:09:57 <luron_> was just going to ask about that :0
Jan 03 16:10:00 * alterego 's email has been down for the past couple of days.
Jan 03 16:10:08 <Jaffa> zoran: all "normal" OSes protect the root account through sudo (or similar)
Jan 03 16:10:15 <Jaffa> alterego: correct.
Jan 03 16:10:19 <zoran> alterego, I had an issue with mail today
Jan 03 16:10:33 <zoran> Jaffa, I have no sudo on my boxes
Jan 03 16:10:35 <alterego> zoran, my mail issue has now turned into a full server issue ;)
Jan 03 16:10:43 <zoran> :(
Jan 03 16:10:43 <alterego> All my machines have sudo ..
Jan 03 16:10:50 <alterego> I don't even know the root passwords ^_^
Jan 03 16:10:54 <zoran> I had conversation with experts
Jan 03 16:11:07 <alterego> I think you mean "experts".
Jan 03 16:11:08 <zoran> you even cannot believe what was said
Jan 03 16:11:41 <zoran> alterego, yes
Jan 03 16:11:51 <zoran> and they just need my mail pass
Jan 03 16:11:54 <zoran> nothing else
Jan 03 16:11:56 <Jaffa> Well, if you want to run privileged stuff on a single user box (such as the tablet), sudo is obviously the better solution than running the device as root. If you've a better idea, I'd be interested...
Jan 03 16:12:06 <zoran> I gave them all error logs
Jan 03 16:12:32 <zoran> Jaffa, I msut to say the same
Jan 03 16:12:39 <alterego> That's why I make sure everything is encrypted ..
Jan 03 16:12:39 <zoran> but don't liek it
Jan 03 16:12:42 <sk> Jaffa: word, running around as root is a no no
Jan 03 16:12:52 <sk> do you irc as root?
Jan 03 16:12:58 <sk> plz say yes
Jan 03 16:13:05 <zoran> glp
Jan 03 16:13:07 * sk loads up CANVAS
Jan 03 16:13:16 <sk> -= ]
Jan 03 16:13:45 <Tak> hehe, I like to set the username that gets exposed via IRC to "root"
Jan 03 16:13:50 <sk> haha
Jan 03 16:13:58 <zoran> if eee could make it all debian, n810 could too
Jan 03 16:14:16 <Jaffa> Eee is Xandros and has nowhere near the level of software sophistication or integration as Maemo.
Jan 03 16:14:26 <zoran> not that it should be done
Jan 03 16:14:29 <sk> random question: I want to setup a wireless cam w/net access to monitor my puppies at home, can anyone recommend a good camera?
Jan 03 16:14:33 <Jaffa> And moaning about package upgrades is useless, since Diablo or Elephanta are going to bring in in-place system upgrades.
Jan 03 16:14:35 <zoran> ah, eeeos
Jan 03 16:15:03 <zoran> Jaffa, there is a custom debian for eee, named eeeos
Jan 03 16:15:15 <zoran> I don't have eee
Jan 03 16:15:41 <zoran> it is easier, since it is i386
Jan 03 16:15:53 * Jaffa does. a) it's a community effort; see Mamona for the equivalent on the N8x0s; b) it's basically a cheap & cheerful x86 laptop, so it's easier
Jan 03 16:16:09 <zoran> you like it?
Jan 03 16:17:12 <lardman> shackan: this is about the dsp/bios, but I think the dspgateway is based on this: http://focus.ti.com/lit/ug/spru423f/spru423f.pdf
Jan 03 16:17:21 <lardman> s/think/assume
Jan 03 16:17:26 <zoran> the only app I like for palm is wordnet like program
Jan 03 16:17:46 <Jaffa> zoran: http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/jaffa/2007/12/07/asus_eee_701_pc_psion_netbook_nokia_n810 - short version: the N810 is much more interesting
Jan 03 16:17:47 <zoran> no alike for maemo, I think
Jan 03 16:17:57 <zoran> Jaffa, k
Jan 03 16:19:34 <alterego> I hate swik ..
Jan 03 16:19:38 <alterego> I hate it soooo much.
Jan 03 16:20:23 <shackan> lardman: ok, so "Multithreaded programs run on a single processor by allowing higher-priority threads to preempt lower-priority threads and by allowing various types of interaction between threads, including blocking, communication, and synchronization", it's definitely single threaded, thanks for sharing :)
Jan 03 16:20:43 <shackan> alterego: what's swik ?
Jan 03 16:21:03 <||cw> similar to digg
Jan 03 16:21:03 <alterego> It's some crappy meta word search engine thing.
Jan 03 16:21:20 <lardman> shackan: np. But it's not cooperatively "multithreaded" it's preemptive afaict
Jan 03 16:21:23 <||cw> but less social
Jan 03 16:21:44 <sp3000> Jaffa: the rest of the article looks a bit Eval error: Can't call method "previousMonth" on unblessed reference at /home/jaffa/lib/www/perl-cache/besse_home_jaffa_bleb_writings_diary_index_html.pm line 30. in
Jan 03 16:22:20 * Tak head explodes
Jan 03 16:22:22 <Jaffa> sp3000: oh yeah, my diary needs tweaking since we crossed a year boundary
Jan 03 16:22:38 <LoCusF> what was the filename corresponding sources.list in N810+
Jan 03 16:22:40 <LoCusF> ?
Jan 03 16:23:06 <LoCusF> ah found it
Jan 03 16:23:06 <lardman> anyone looked at the powervr driver any more?
Jan 03 16:24:06 <Jaffa> sp3000: fixed. thanks.
Jan 03 16:25:43 <Cptnodegard> quick final question... your supposed to use "lock touch screen and buttons" instead of shutting it completely down, the n800?
Jan 03 16:25:50 <Cptnodegard> read somethign liek that somewhere
Jan 03 16:25:57 <lardman> yes that's right
Jan 03 16:26:17 <Cptnodegard> kk, thx :D
Jan 03 16:26:50 <sp3000> yeah, booting is relatively slow, and power saving works well provided you don't have anything too evil running
Jan 03 16:27:04 <lardman> or indeed anything at all
Jan 03 16:27:27 <lardman> even the notepad app sucks power and I wouldn't have thought that does much
Jan 03 16:27:34 <sp3000> I made this weird perl thing that acts like an incrementlly listing 'top'
Jan 03 16:27:58 <Cptnodegard> on os2007 it shut down the screen immediately when using that option, doesnt on 2008 - only dims it., maybe i touched some settings xD
Jan 03 16:28:07 <sp3000> so it lists on line per hour, whoever consumed most cpu since that process was last reported
Jan 03 16:28:17 <|tbb|> what is the diffrence between running gps_saver in daemon mode instead of fire up the gpssaver with  gps_saver -anyoption &
Jan 03 16:28:18 <zoran> sp3000, what app?
Jan 03 16:28:45 <sp3000> zoran: see the "I made this weird perl thing" part
Jan 03 16:28:59 <Cptnodegard> is there process information like on windows?
Jan 03 16:29:04 <Cptnodegard> for what uses cpu etc
Jan 03 16:29:18 <zoran> sp3000, perl calling top from time to time?
Jan 03 16:29:29 <Jaffa> sp3000: sounds good. Would be good to advertise on maemo-devel, cos every time it comes up the suggestion is to do a binary search of your applications, which isn't really feasible.
Jan 03 16:29:36 <sp3000> Cptnodegard: there's 'top' you can run in terminal, three's a gui app somewheres too I believe
Jan 03 16:30:00 <Cptnodegard> ah nothign noob friendly then, not that important
Jan 03 16:30:06 <sp3000> zoran: I was pulling bits from /proc/*/stat directly but top -bn1 mmight be a better source
Jan 03 16:30:33 <|tbb|> anyone familar with gps_saver
Jan 03 16:30:35 <zoran> sp3000, any link to source?
Jan 03 16:30:59 <sp3000> yes, $HOME/in/inctop.pl
Jan 03 16:31:05 <zoran> :)
Jan 03 16:32:24 <sp3000> http://nullfield.dyndns.org/~tt/inctop.pl.txt too
Jan 03 16:33:24 <sp3000> it uses the times including waited-for kids, on the theory that someone could be spawning workers every now and then so sampling once per hour could miss them
Jan 03 16:33:35 <sp3000> the downside is it'll list init every now and then ;)
Jan 03 16:37:41 <sp3000> also keying by pid alone could get weird eventually in a long run, it should probably discard bias for a pid if it's > the current value
Jan 03 16:38:24 <lardman> derf: you about?
Jan 03 16:38:57 <zoran> sp3000, I had connection break; my isp is just doing that from time to time; have time to take a look
Jan 03 16:40:47 <zoran> k, I have somewhere perl module of cron
Jan 03 16:40:59 <zoran> it could be handy in this case
Jan 03 16:44:05 <zoran> alterego, what would you say about provider having mail delevering 70-80 % of time?
Jan 03 16:46:04 <derf> lardman: Yes.
Jan 03 16:46:49 <Tak> I'd say the same thing I would about a restaurant that only delivered my food 70-80% of the time
Jan 03 16:48:15 <zoran> people deny the problem at all
Jan 03 16:48:30 <zoran> and the server is down right now
Jan 03 16:49:26 <zoran> they work on win and take hired linux guru for from time to time maintainance
Jan 03 16:49:37 <lardman> derf: I was wondering a couple of things, all to do with the length of buffers, etc. I've sorted the bit reading code (I think), but was just wondering if buffers happen to be an even number of octets long?
Jan 03 16:50:42 <derf> No, there's no such requirement.
Jan 03 16:50:48 <lardman> derf: also, the crc code, is that used to calculate the crc of things other than the header (I presume so)? If so, does it need to handle odd numbers of octets?
Jan 03 16:51:09 <lardman> oh, ah well I'll need to alter the code a bit to make sure odd numbers of octets will work with it
Jan 03 16:51:13 <derf> The CRC code computes the checksum of an entire page.
Jan 03 16:51:21 <derf> It needs to handle odd numbers of octets.
Jan 03 16:51:48 <lardman> ok, I must have been lucky so far with even numbers of octets in my pages :)
Jan 03 16:51:48 <rm_you> lardman: what are you working on? I dropped into this conversation late :)
Jan 03 16:51:57 <lardman> rm_you: tremor decoder on dsp
Jan 03 16:52:45 <rm_you> ah. I thought the DSP stuff was either closed or just very very tricky... i guess the answer is that it's tricky? :P
Jan 03 16:52:57 <lardman> annoying more than tricky
Jan 03 16:53:01 <lardman> 16bit bytes
Jan 03 16:53:17 <rm_you> >_>
Jan 03 16:53:37 <Tak> well...after 3 years of ITs, we still have zero released third-party dsp software
Jan 03 16:53:58 <Tak> I'm going to go with annoying AND tricky
Jan 03 16:53:59 <rm_you> is it possible to do *encoding* in the DSP?
Jan 03 16:54:10 <lardman> rm_you: yes
Jan 03 16:54:16 <lardman> Tak: I have a day job too
Jan 03 16:54:16 <shackan> rm_you: of course
Jan 03 16:54:27 <rm_you> so theoretically, a2dp encoding in the dsp would be possible?
Jan 03 16:54:31 <shackan> rm_you: just pay lardman enough to quit his job
Jan 03 16:54:32 <Tak> lardman: no blame on you; you're doing great stuff
Jan 03 16:54:44 <rm_you> lol
Jan 03 16:54:58 <lardman> rm_you: yes, someone was asking about collaborating on that, I've not heard back from him, will have to send an email
Jan 03 16:55:02 <shackan> rm_you: sure, encoding from what (pcm?) to what tough?
Jan 03 16:55:28 <rm_you> i'd be interested in working on that...
Jan 03 16:55:41 <rm_you> though i'd have a lot of research to do on how a2dp works >_>
Jan 03 16:55:52 <lardman> Tak: is there interest in the community to do these things I wonder? I have a vorbis task which runs but has some bugs to be ironed out with the bit/byte reading code, likewise an mp3 task
Jan 03 16:56:04 <Tak> I was just saying that, if it were easy, there would be a bunch of people doing stuff for it
Jan 03 16:56:08 <zoran> they work on win and take hired linux guru for from time to time maintainance
Jan 03 16:56:14 <zoran> uh, sorry
Jan 03 16:56:16 <Tak> because that's like half our cpu power sitting there not being used mostly
Jan 03 16:56:40 <shackan> Tak: at least it saves power :)
Jan 03 16:56:52 <lardman> If I started a garage project, stuck the code there and instructions as to how to get a toolchain up and running (which is already on the wiki), would people like to help?
Jan 03 16:57:05 <rm_you> I'd at least take a look
Jan 03 16:57:07 <Tak> I'm sure
Jan 03 16:57:33 <Tak> I'd like to move fceu's audio decoding into a dsp task
Jan 03 16:57:38 <rm_you> I was looking into a2dp dsp stuff, but i couldn't really find anything even about how difficult it would be
Jan 03 16:57:40 <shackan> me too, I mean, I only got as far as running the _ridicolous_ TI setup program and saved the archive
Jan 03 16:57:43 <lardman> ok, when I get home I'll setup a page and stick the code & description of where I'm at up
Jan 03 16:58:46 <lardman> rm_you: probably not terrible. The main issue is 16bit byte, 32bit ints have odd endianness (which may or may not make a difference) and long long is only 40bit
Jan 03 16:59:02 <rm_you> lol
Jan 03 16:59:10 <rm_you> that seems really random
Jan 03 16:59:11 <Tak> it would be nice to have dsp toolchain optionally part of standard sbox installation
Jan 03 16:59:43 <shackan> oh also, anyone tried sbox 2 ?
Jan 03 16:59:46 <lardman> rm_you: depends what the code does though; the 16bit byte might not be a problem is everything is 16bit data; it's when you look at bit addressing that it becomes confusing
Jan 03 16:59:51 <shackan> was announced on jan 1st
Jan 03 17:00:19 <lardman> Tak: the license agreement with Ti is probably a problem; also it's an x86 toolchain so no need for scratchbox except to create the arm-side binaries
Jan 03 17:03:02 <Tak> I haven't gotten around to setting up a sbox2 env
Jan 03 17:03:32 <Tak> meh, TI's so moronic about licensing
Jan 03 17:05:00 <lardman> does anyone happen to know what processor the original Neuros had in it? I can't seem to Google anything useful
Jan 03 17:15:42 <kulve> lardman: do you have a blog? I would like to read about your experiments from a blog :)
Jan 03 17:16:01 <lardman> kulve: no, nothing like that, though I could do with something
Jan 03 17:16:13 <lardman> kulve: I'll setup a garage project with mailing list then I can post to that
Jan 03 17:17:46 <kulve> well, mailing list is a bit different.. You are experimenting with all kinds of cool projects (dsp, power vr, etc) and some random notes about your findings and opinions would be interesting read
Jan 03 17:18:21 <lardman> yeah, perhaps I'll tack something onto my uni page; otherwise just ask :)
Jan 03 17:18:23 <kulve> but I'm not forcing or anything. Just happened to say that out loud..
Jan 03 17:19:10 <Tak> difficult to hold a gun to someone's head via irc
Jan 03 17:19:27 * Tak write xchat plugin
Jan 03 17:19:36 <alterego> Heh
Jan 03 17:19:41 * alterego holds a gun to your head.
Jan 03 17:20:13 <|tbb|> where can i find help for simple bash scripting?
Jan 03 17:20:21 <fugitivo> on google
Jan 03 17:20:21 <Jaffa> Google?
Jan 03 17:20:21 <|tbb|> on irc, btw.
Jan 03 17:20:31 <rm_you> goooooogle :/
Jan 03 17:20:34 <alterego> :/
Jan 03 17:20:41 <alterego> tldp.org has good Bash tutorials
Jan 03 17:20:43 <rm_you> or here possibly? I mean... i do bash :P
Jan 03 17:20:45 <fugitivo> discount codes working in belgium
Jan 03 17:20:51 <Jaffa> Not in the UK
Jan 03 17:21:07 <alterego> Discount codes are working in Belgium?
Jan 03 17:21:08 <|tbb|> rm_you: you havent said that ;)
Jan 03 17:21:14 <rm_you> lol
Jan 03 17:21:20 <fugitivo> http://www.jan-jansen.be
Jan 03 17:21:24 <rm_you> you didn't ask...till now. and then i said it :P
Jan 03 17:21:29 <fugitivo> that guy used the code
Jan 03 17:21:50 * Tak will wait for official email rather than attempting to brute-force the servers
Jan 03 17:21:50 <|tbb|> i would like to say, you better havent said that ;)
Jan 03 17:21:51 <alterego> Oh, that's cool.
Jan 03 17:22:03 * alterego checks his discount code.
Jan 03 17:22:09 <rm_you> lol
Jan 03 17:22:33 <fugitivo> can't enter codes in nokiausa
Jan 03 17:22:38 <|tbb|> my discount code worked allready, i get the n810 direct from nokia online shop
Jan 03 17:22:46 <lardman> I just checked and it's not working for me
Jan 03 17:22:51 <|tbb|> just 459 Euros
Jan 03 17:22:54 <alterego> "The coupon code that you have entered is invalid"
Jan 03 17:22:57 <lardman> :)
Jan 03 17:22:59 <fugitivo> |tbb|: where are you from?
Jan 03 17:23:20 <|tbb|> my discount code is my creditcard number ;)
Jan 03 17:23:27 <fugitivo> oh :)
Jan 03 17:24:01 <lardman> so what blog providers do people recommend?
Jan 03 17:24:09 <rm_you> i don't get why they are being so... slow about that stuff
Jan 03 17:24:14 <alterego> I might flash my N800 from OS2008 beta to OS2008 proper in a bit :D
Jan 03 17:24:19 <alterego> Is there a VNC client for OS2008?
Jan 03 17:24:21 <rm_you> i mean, they give you a "discount", and then you are basically slave wage labor :P
Jan 03 17:24:22 <fugitivo> the n810 is backordered in nokiausa
Jan 03 17:24:31 <rm_you> alterego: yes
Jan 03 17:24:32 <Jaffa> lardman: ping maddler for a blog at maemopeople.org
Jan 03 17:24:52 <|tbb|> fugitivo why that
Jan 03 17:25:02 <fugitivo> i don't know
Jan 03 17:25:18 <alterego> I can't find it ..
Jan 03 17:25:42 <rm_you> alterego: sec i downloaded it yesterday...
Jan 03 17:27:00 <lardman> Jaffa: good plan, thanks
Jan 03 17:27:05 <lardman> maddler: ping
Jan 03 17:28:21 <unverbraucht> does somebody know what exactly happens when you change connectivity settings in the control panel?
Jan 03 17:28:40 <unverbraucht> i assumed it would be dbus signals, but dbus-monitor shows nothing
Jan 03 17:28:55 <rm_you> alterego: http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Working_2008_OS_Software
Jan 03 17:28:58 <Jaffa> lardman: I don't think he's actually at a computer at the moment
Jan 03 17:29:12 <rm_you> alterego: its under utilities
Jan 03 17:29:13 <Tak> unverbraucht: maybe gconf keys
Jan 03 17:29:43 <unverbraucht> Tak, right, should have thought of that
Jan 03 17:30:00 <unverbraucht> do you know a quick way to check this?
Jan 03 17:30:07 <Tak> heh, not offhand
Jan 03 17:30:22 <unverbraucht> ok, i'll hack at it, thanks :)
Jan 03 17:31:34 <lardman> Jaffa: ok, thanks
Jan 03 17:32:08 <rm_you> Jaffa: have you experimented with x264 at all?
Jan 03 17:32:13 <lardman> kulve: I'll collate my thoughts and blog it all :)
Jan 03 17:32:14 <rm_you> on n800 that is
Jan 03 17:33:32 <Jaffa> rm_you: not really
Jan 03 17:34:10 <rm_you> hrm >_> i tried last night with no real luck... even like 20 fps and 600bitrate was too laggy to play more than a couple frames before freezing up
Jan 03 17:34:28 <Jaffa> with mplayer or built-in?
Jan 03 17:34:57 <rm_you> mplayer
Jan 03 17:35:07 <rm_you> you think built-in might handle them better?
Jan 03 17:35:16 <rm_you> i hadnt thought about it
Jan 03 17:35:53 <rm_you> meh, built-in doesnt even recognize the format
Jan 03 17:35:57 <SE-Wilco2> Does someone already know about the login trap on maemo.org?
Jan 03 17:36:06 <Tak> it's a trap?
Jan 03 17:36:13 <rm_you> lol
Jan 03 17:36:38 * lardman realises why he couldn't install rtcomm - I've not upgraded yet
Jan 03 17:36:51 * Tak close browser, unplug PC, wipe HD, dump bank accounts, leave country, erase fingerprints, remove retinas
Jan 03 17:37:11 <SE-Wilco2> You can go in but can't get out.  On maemo.org click on "Log in".  The only way out is the "Create account" link.  But a garage.maemo.org account doesn't work on maemo.org.
Jan 03 17:37:34 * SE-Wilco2 still recognizes Tak's face.
Jan 03 17:37:44 <lardman> c u all later
Jan 03 17:38:03 * SE-Wilco2 puts all his c's in a jar in a secure location.
Jan 03 17:38:03 <Tak> SE-Wilco2: yeah, I noticed that - or if I'm logged into garage, I can't log into d.m.o
Jan 03 17:43:59 <Aniruddha_NL> anyone knows to remove the battery from the n800?
Jan 03 17:44:24 <Tak> remove back cover, insert fingernail
Jan 03 17:44:32 <SE-Wilco2> Aniruddha_NL - you mean other than lifting on the right side?
Jan 03 17:44:42 <Aniruddha_NL> nope
Jan 03 17:45:14 <Aniruddha_NL> I can't reach it though :(
Jan 03 17:45:23 <SE-Wilco2> Lift the side of the battery by the right side.  Before putting it back in use thin tape to make a tab which you can lift up next time.
Jan 03 17:46:11 <SE-Wilco2> Getting the battery out the first time can be hard.
Jan 03 17:46:20 <Aniruddha_NL> got it now
Jan 03 17:46:26 <Aniruddha_NL> thanks :)\
Jan 03 17:46:36 <Tak> if that doesn't work, use a hammer.
Jan 03 17:46:40 <Aniruddha_NL> lol
Jan 03 17:46:49 <SE-Wilco2> That's why I put some tape from under the battery around to the top and folded it over so I can lift the tab.
Jan 03 17:46:54 <Aniruddha_NL> that give bricking you device a whole ne meaning
Jan 03 17:47:06 * sp3000 just whacks it on the palm of his other hand, heh
Jan 03 17:47:43 <Aniruddha_NL> hehe
Jan 03 17:47:44 <Aniruddha_NL> er
Jan 03 17:47:57 <Aniruddha_NL> where is the product code?
Jan 03 17:48:20 <Aniruddha_NL> lol
Jan 03 17:48:26 <Aniruddha_NL> not underneath the battery
Jan 03 17:48:36 <sp3000> not behind the battery like on 770 iirc, despite descriptions ;)
Jan 03 17:48:47 <Aniruddha_NL> sigh
Jan 03 17:48:49 <rm_you> on the nokia sticker?
Jan 03 17:48:53 <Aniruddha_NL> lol
Jan 03 17:48:54 <rm_you> thats where mine is
Jan 03 17:48:59 <sp3000> behind the battery /cover/ otoh...
Jan 03 17:50:15 <unverbraucht> Tak: thanks for the hint, you where right :)
Jan 03 17:50:42 <Tak> about the hammer?
Jan 03 17:52:50 <Aniruddha_NL> honna flash the device
Jan 03 17:52:58 <Aniruddha_NL> *keeping fingers crossed*
Jan 03 17:53:28 <Tak> I can never type the command right when my fingers are crossed
Jan 03 17:53:34 <Aniruddha_NL> lol
Jan 03 17:53:37 <Aniruddha_NL> btw
Jan 03 17:53:47 <Aniruddha_NL> does it matter if you use USB 1 or USN@?
Jan 03 17:53:51 <Aniruddha_NL> USB2>
Jan 03 18:05:55 <jga23_> where can I get wget for os2008?
Jan 03 18:07:28 <eber_> jga: if you've installed all standard repo you can just apt-get it (see http://gronmayer.com/it/ for repos)
Jan 03 18:08:50 <Aniruddha_NL> eber_: great link thanks!
Jan 03 18:10:13 <eber_> you can just click on "select all"
Jan 03 18:13:22 <milhouse> jga: enable the extras repository and apt-get install wget
Jan 03 18:16:20 <jga23_> thanks
Jan 03 18:18:31 <ph|ber> anyone using maemomapper?
Jan 03 18:18:35 <ph|ber> it cant find the gps..
Jan 03 18:37:34 <lardman> derf: do you happen to know whether an ogg reference -> begin member has a value of 0 for the first element of 1?
Jan 03 18:37:44 <lardman> s/of/or
Jan 03 18:41:58 * lardman feels his head spinning
Jan 03 18:42:11 <sk> <phöber> anyone using maemomapper?
Jan 03 18:42:16 <sk> it came installed on my n770
Jan 03 18:42:18 <sk> i bought it used
Jan 03 18:46:58 <jsmith> sk: I tried it out the other day
Jan 03 18:47:55 <lardman> ph|ber: what device & what's the problem?
Jan 03 18:52:43 <alterego> Backup almost complete :S
Jan 03 18:52:45 * alterego hopes
Jan 03 18:53:39 <derf> lardman: 0.
Jan 03 19:00:10 <czr> hey alterego, happy newyear
Jan 03 19:01:17 <|tbb|> needing help. ive got four numbers in variables a-> 10000 b->12000 c->13000 d->16000 any bash command to find the nearest number for foo-> 12600
Jan 03 19:02:46 * alterego flashes
Jan 03 19:02:52 <alterego> czr, happy new year! :)
Jan 03 19:03:01 * alterego flashes czr
Jan 03 19:03:05 <alterego> Happy new year ;)
Jan 03 19:03:07 * czr is worried
Jan 03 19:03:24 <czr> people flashing over Ze Internjet are rather spooky
Jan 03 19:03:43 <alterego> It's done now. I finally got around to updating from beta to the latest OS2008 ^_^
Jan 03 19:04:19 <czr> cool. I'm almost done now as well.
Jan 03 19:04:24 <czr> only one week of vacation to go
Jan 03 19:04:36 <alterego> I started working again yesterday :/
Jan 03 19:04:48 * czr neeners alterego 
Jan 03 19:04:55 <alterego> Spent the whole day in my London data centre installing some new servers.
Jan 03 19:05:19 <alterego> :P
Jan 03 19:06:33 <czr> hmm. I've not coded a line of anything for 3 weeks now
Jan 03 19:07:19 <alterego> Hah, lucky you :P
Jan 03 19:07:26 <alterego> Admittedly I've not done much either ;)
Jan 03 19:07:46 <czr> although I helped my mom with her AOL crap
Jan 03 19:07:51 <alterego> Got a fun project coming up now you finished the training material?
Jan 03 19:08:16 <czr> alterego, I haven't decided yet. I have to put together a stock company once I get back, that'll keep me busy for the near future
Jan 03 19:08:48 <alterego> Cool
Jan 03 19:08:59 <alterego> Though I've got no idea what a "Stock Company" is ;)
Jan 03 19:09:25 <czr> a company that is normally a separate legal entity
Jan 03 19:09:31 <czr> ownership based on shares
Jan 03 19:09:34 <czr> that kind of thing. nothing fancy
Jan 03 19:09:41 <alterego> Ah
Jan 03 19:09:43 <czr> plc I guess?
Jan 03 19:09:56 <ph|ber> lardman: n810
Jan 03 19:09:58 <alterego> Yeah,
Jan 03 19:10:04 <czr> anyhow, have to go, laters alterego
Jan 03 19:10:04 <ph|ber> maemomapper. can it not use the internal gps?
Jan 03 19:14:33 <Tak> |tbb|: http://pastie.caboo.se/134520
Jan 03 19:14:57 <keesj> Hi ssvb !
Jan 03 19:15:09 <ssvb> hi
Jan 03 19:17:06 <|tbb|> tak thx, i will learn from that
Jan 03 19:17:12 <timelyx> hi
Jan 03 19:17:28 <kulve> nice, just ordered the device :)
Jan 03 19:17:30 * timelyx is looking for someone not planning to sleep for 8 hours
Jan 03 19:18:57 <alterego> timelyx, I probably wont :P
Jan 03 19:19:07 <alterego> kulve, what country are you in?
Jan 03 19:19:15 <kulve> fin
Jan 03 19:19:27 <Tak> do I have to pay attention for 8 hours, or just not sleep?
Jan 03 19:19:33 <|tbb|> what kind of awk  os2008 runs
Jan 03 19:19:37 <alterego> Heh
Jan 03 19:19:45 <alterego> |tbb|, busybox
Jan 03 19:20:07 <kulve> the nseries.com still says "put your email here to be the first one to know when the device ships"..
Jan 03 19:20:21 <alterego> I wish there was a way to hide packages in the package manager.
Jan 03 19:20:26 <timelyx> alterego: can you  1. fully charge your device. 2. disable flash, 3. load mtv3.fi in your web browser. 4. leave your device unplugged and open to that page
Jan 03 19:20:28 <alterego> I'm sick of seeing that "Boingo" shit.
Jan 03 19:20:29 <fugitivo> the device is out of stock in nokiausa
Jan 03 19:20:32 <timelyx> i want to know how long it lasts
Jan 03 19:20:35 <fugitivo> damn holidays :)
Jan 03 19:20:49 <timelyx> i need at least two people
Jan 03 19:21:07 <alterego> I could ..
Jan 03 19:21:13 <alterego> But I've just reflashed it.
Jan 03 19:21:18 <alterego> It's still charging at the moment.
Jan 03 19:21:21 <kulve> just ping the device? Why need to stay awake?
Jan 03 19:21:33 <kulve> oh well, the net activity would ofc mess up things
Jan 03 19:21:44 <alterego> kulve, that's why you make it ping ever few minutes.
Jan 03 19:21:48 <Tak> timeless: do you care which device it is? ;-)
Jan 03 19:21:59 <alterego> The addition of that communication would be minimal to battery drain I believe.
Jan 03 19:22:01 <timelyx> tak: as long as you run os 2008, i  don't think  i do
Jan 03 19:22:08 * Tak disqualified
Jan 03 19:22:45 <edistar> is there a toolchain for compiling software for maemo?
Jan 03 19:23:01 <keesj> edistar: there is a hole sdk !
Jan 03 19:23:20 <edistar> keesj: thx
Jan 03 19:23:23 <alterego> f*cking chr*st Conola is big ..
Jan 03 19:23:38 <alterego> 9.33M
Jan 03 19:25:30 <Cptnodegard> "big"
Jan 03 19:25:50 <Cptnodegard> better description is "useless"
Jan 03 19:26:08 <Cptnodegard> it cant read embedded album art, and scrolling file lists is a hassle at best
Jan 03 19:26:10 <Cptnodegard> no EQ
Jan 03 19:26:10 <keesj> its simply rulez!
Jan 03 19:26:50 <Spacer> howdy
Jan 03 19:27:17 <Spacer> can anyone here recommend me the best (&safest) way to clean the touchscreen?
Jan 03 19:27:20 <Tak> heh, those criticisms apply to every media player for maemo
Jan 03 19:28:43 <fugitivo> Spacer, nanobots
Jan 03 19:29:14 <alterego> (Vibrators modelled on my appendage)
Jan 03 19:29:19 <Spacer> how constructive...
Jan 03 19:29:35 <fugitivo> Cptnodegard, i don't agree
Jan 03 19:30:02 <Tak> I recommend a hammer
Jan 03 19:30:09 <fugitivo> Cptnodegard: canola is the best media player for maemo and it's still a beta
Jan 03 19:30:49 <alterego> Well, I've not used it yet.
Jan 03 19:31:08 <alterego> Personally the Maemo "Media Player" fits my needs just fine. All I do is listen to some MP3's on my SD card.
Jan 03 19:31:10 <fugitivo> no humor sense for Spacer
Jan 03 19:31:49 <Cptnodegard> best doesnt mean good :P
Jan 03 19:32:09 <fugitivo> alterego: yes, but when you need a better interface Canola is "good" :)
Jan 03 19:32:17 <Cptnodegard> it looks good but not that useful
Jan 03 19:32:43 <alterego> Why would you need a better interface?
Jan 03 19:32:45 <fugitivo> alterego: for example, canola for in-car use is really good
Jan 03 19:32:55 <alterego> Select track, Pause/Play + Stop is all I need :P
Jan 03 19:33:18 * Cptnodegard wants EQ
Jan 03 19:33:18 <fugitivo> alterego: or you have a party and want to use the tablet for music
Jan 03 19:33:28 <alterego> Cptnodegard, not likely,
Jan 03 19:33:42 <Tak> heh, I don't think the hardware will support software eq right now
Jan 03 19:34:08 <alterego> Cptnodegard, but you're welcome to try and write one.
Jan 03 19:34:15 <alterego> Instead of bitch about not having one ..
Jan 03 19:34:32 <Tak> we could use an eq dsp task though...
Jan 03 19:34:38 <fugitivo> alterego: sure the default media player is better if you are browsing or doing other stuff, but when you need only an interface for media playing, Canola is the best
Jan 03 19:34:51 <Tak> although if the dsp is decoding media, then it's probably loaded already
Jan 03 19:34:53 <atlas95> hello
Jan 03 19:35:02 <alterego> fugitivo, that's a little iTouch-esque isn't it? :P
Jan 03 19:35:03 <atlas95> ahow to install an app with xterm please?
Jan 03 19:35:14 <fugitivo> alterego: yes it's :)
Jan 03 19:35:17 <Tak> atlas95: what kind of app?
Jan 03 19:35:19 <atlas95> I try sudo but i need an unknow password :s
Jan 03 19:35:28 <atlas95> I want to see the error
Jan 03 19:35:41 <Tak> you can see the error from the app manager by viewing the log
Jan 03 19:35:41 <atlas95> because with the frontend I can install maemo-blog an other app
Jan 03 19:35:43 <alterego> "Hey, your iTouch can browse the net ... But you can't do more than _one_ thing at once."
Jan 03 19:35:44 <fugitivo> atlas95: you need to set the tablet to the ultra secret mode first
Jan 03 19:35:50 <alterego> That's got to be the lamest thing about the touch ..
Jan 03 19:35:53 <atlas95> I need dependancy ..
Jan 03 19:36:25 <atlas95> This seem to be repository error because the dependancy don't want to install alone
Jan 03 19:36:31 <atlas95> (sorry for my english)
Jan 03 19:36:40 <atlas95> fugitivo: how to do this?
Jan 03 19:38:30 <fugitivo> atlas95: using the flasher utility, you enable rd mode
Jan 03 19:38:46 <fugitivo> then you can boot and use sudo gainroot
Jan 03 19:39:50 <atlas95> hmm, ok i will search for this, or you are a link to a howto?
Jan 03 19:40:04 <timelyx> keesj: a "hole" sdk eh? cute.
Jan 03 19:40:18 <Tak> do you have to do the r&d stuff with OS2008 again?
Jan 03 19:40:35 <fugitivo> oh, i don't know, i use 2007 HE
Jan 03 19:40:42 <alterego> Canola is sloooow.
Jan 03 19:40:43 <timelyx> r&d is outside of the normal file system
Jan 03 19:40:48 * Tak just ssh with 2007HE
Jan 03 19:40:52 <fugitivo> alterego: only the first time
Jan 03 19:42:39 <k-s> alterego: slow usage or slow behavior?
Jan 03 19:42:44 <CarlosT> I don't know if this is the place to ask, but I've been trying to beat Marbles and one level looks literally impossible.  Where can I go for help?
Jan 03 19:43:11 <alterego> Slow startup :P
Jan 03 19:43:16 <fugitivo> CarlosT: lol, exit the game and try again tomorrow, that helped me
Jan 03 19:43:25 <k-s> alterego: ah, sorry for that, we'll try to improve
Jan 03 19:43:37 <k-s> alterego: but today we use many libs and python, that all accounts
Jan 03 19:43:51 <fugitivo> btw, i'm still waiting for canola2 for the 770
Jan 03 19:43:53 <fugitivo> :)
Jan 03 19:43:53 <derf> CarlosT: None of the levels are impossible.
Jan 03 19:43:58 <k-s> alterego: we'll try to find a way to give faster feedback, but that requires some work
Jan 03 19:44:14 <k-s> fugitivo: I'm on vacation, as most of the team
Jan 03 19:44:27 <k-s> fugitivo: when we go back to work, then we'll try to provide it
Jan 03 19:44:35 <k-s> fugitivo: btw, is it gregale or hacker edition?
Jan 03 19:44:40 <alterego> It's got some delay inbetween songs too :/
Jan 03 19:44:43 <fugitivo> k-s: who are you? :)
Jan 03 19:44:54 <fugitivo> sorry for asking, i'm ajf
Jan 03 19:44:55 <alterego> But over all, it's very pretty and nice feel to it.
Jan 03 19:45:05 <fugitivo> k-s: it's hacker edition
Jan 03 19:46:12 <alterego> k-s, the volume buttons only work in play view. So if you navigate back to the play list you can't use them.
Jan 03 19:48:57 <alterego> And non of the other hardware keys for that matter do anything meaning full :P
Jan 03 19:49:05 <alterego> Well, except menu
Jan 03 19:50:17 <henrique> hi, is there a pygtk package for maemo?
Jan 03 19:51:43 <k-s> fugitivo: I'm Gustavo, /whois k-s
Jan 03 19:51:53 <alterego> There's a lot of screen tearing when using the photo browser.
Jan 03 19:52:37 <fugitivo> k-s: hey Gustavo, Marcelo told me you were working on 770 versions, any idea when it will be available?
Jan 03 19:52:40 <k-s> alterego: lack of hw-keys is known
Jan 03 19:53:07 <k-s> alterego: and the tearing is the hardware fault, shitty hw
Jan 03 19:53:11 <k-s> 770 looks better
Jan 03 19:53:28 <k-s> fugitivo: we need to recompile the packages, that's it
Jan 03 19:53:51 <k-s> fugitivo: we compiled with optimizations for n800 cpu, we need to compile with optimizations for 770
Jan 03 19:54:18 <k-s> henrique: sure there is, and for almost all libs in the platform (hildon, sdl, gstreamer, bluez, ...)
Jan 03 19:55:18 <henrique> k-s, so what repo I need to put in my sources.list?
Jan 03 19:55:55 <k-s> henrique: repository.maemo.org
Jan 03 19:56:05 <k-s> henrique: or /extras, I never remember
Jan 03 19:56:18 <k-s> the package name is not pygtk though
Jan 03 19:56:40 <k-s> btw... I'm really pissed with people abusing the Application Installer
Jan 03 19:56:56 <k-s> damn, why apache, lighthttp or even php is listed there
Jan 03 19:56:56 <Tak> abusing?
Jan 03 19:57:00 <k-s> yes
Jan 03 19:57:04 <k-s> even python shouldn't be there
Jan 03 19:57:11 <k-s> unless they provide any visual application
Jan 03 19:57:13 <Tak> oh, you mean just dumping everything in user/blah
Jan 03 19:57:22 <k-s> otherwise apps should depend on them, that's it
Jan 03 19:57:29 <k-s> Tak: yes, exactly
Jan 03 19:58:49 <alterego> That Nokia promotional Video is so crap :P
Jan 03 19:59:17 <alterego> It's like an edited version of the N800 one.
Jan 03 19:59:43 <Cptnodegard> anyone else getting problems trying to use Grahams repository? added it, wont update entirely, and wont install GPE
Jan 03 19:59:43 <alterego> Though, the bit at the end. When one of the music guys is like: "Can I have one" actually has an N810 .. Weird.
Jan 03 20:00:21 * truls wishes for an alternative calender to GPE
Jan 03 20:00:46 <Cptnodegard> libsoup2.2-8 missing
Jan 03 20:00:56 <alterego> truent, pimlico
Jan 03 20:03:32 <lardman> derf: Does a single reference contain a packet? Or... do references not span packets?
Jan 03 20:03:54 <lardman> derf: i.e. always an integer number of references within a packet
Jan 03 20:09:27 <dhdfoo> hi, I'm trying to upgrade my chinook SDK in scratchbox and getting "size mismatch" errors from apt
Jan 03 20:09:32 <dhdfoo> is the repository *still* broken?
Jan 03 20:10:12 <kulve> dhdfoo: I think it's mostly fixed although it doesn't seem to get fixed for everybody at the same time..
Jan 03 20:10:20 <alterego> Heh
Jan 03 20:10:21 <dhdfoo> ah
Jan 03 20:10:28 <dhdfoo> I suppose I should just download the rootstrap
Jan 03 20:10:46 <skibur> anybody have kde running on the N800 - OS2008?
Jan 03 20:11:02 * alterego vomits.
Jan 03 20:11:07 * alterego looks and penguinbait
Jan 03 20:11:56 <wolgri> is there working djvu viewer for os08
Jan 03 20:13:03 <wolgri> or chm
Jan 03 20:14:29 <jsmith> Quick question... I've got the OpenVPN client installed on my N810... is there an easy way to start and stop the client (which must be run as root)?
Jan 03 20:15:03 <sp3000> rraaaaaggghhhh
Jan 03 20:15:12 <lardman> hear hear
Jan 03 20:15:14 <sp3000> why do all these package descriptions suck?
Jan 03 20:15:36 <lardman> oh, I was thinking more of bit manipulation code, but the same thought
Jan 03 20:17:30 <alterego> sp3000, I was thinking the same thing.
Jan 03 20:17:45 <alterego> It'd be nice to have more comprehensive descriptions and also a thumb nail view in the package manager.
Jan 03 20:17:59 <jsmith> Sounds good to me
Jan 03 20:19:17 <lardman> thumbnail view sounds interesting
Jan 03 20:19:36 <sp3000> the way people are writing these long descriptions, they'd probably submit a picture of the short description as the screenshot
Jan 03 20:19:56 <wolgri> yeah in apt-cache search whith cacti output
Jan 03 20:20:36 <fugitivo> yes it does
Jan 03 20:20:42 <lardman> aren't there more detailed descriptions buried in the .deb files anyway?
Jan 03 20:21:14 * sp3000 would approve of the short desc of the highlighted package spanning the width of the item
Jan 03 20:21:27 <sp3000> of course the tree probably doesn't do that or something
Jan 03 20:21:32 <lardman> or is the problem that people don't put these in (i.e. press the (i) button at the bottom of the app manager)
Jan 03 20:22:18 <somenick> hi, would this be a good place to ask a beginner's question about python/hildon development on the N810 or is there a better channel?
Jan 03 20:22:30 <Tak> sp3000: that's a fantastic idea
Jan 03 20:22:34 <lardman> somenick: fire away
Jan 03 20:22:38 <sp3000> if you look at http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/chinook/free/binary-armel/Packages the first line of Description is the short desc, the other lines are the long desc
Jan 03 20:22:48 <alterego> The problem is people don't write good descriptions.
Jan 03 20:22:53 <alterego> They put about 3 words.
Jan 03 20:22:57 * Tak submit base64 encoding of a screenshot of the short description as the long description
Jan 03 20:22:58 <sp3000> lardman, the problem is the descriptions all suck :)
Jan 03 20:22:59 <alterego> "This is X package."
Jan 03 20:23:08 <lardman> usually <add description> ... :)
Jan 03 20:23:18 <sp3000> it's like teh short description is the same as the package name, with articles and such added
Jan 03 20:23:19 <derf> lardman: References are initially constructed to the buffers read from the file.
Jan 03 20:23:33 <derf> They can then be split along page and packet boundaries.
Jan 03 20:23:34 <sp3000> and the long desc is the same as the short desc, maybe dressed as a sentence fragment
Jan 03 20:23:56 <lardman> derf: so a buffer might span a packet, but a buffer will be split at the boundary?
Jan 03 20:24:32 <derf> lardman: The subdivisions can happen almost any way you can imagine.
Jan 03 20:24:48 <lardman> derf: ah, so a reference might span a packet?
Jan 03 20:25:16 <derf> A reference points to part of a buffer.
Jan 03 20:25:33 <derf> A page may take up one or more possibly partial buffers.
Jan 03 20:25:37 <lardman> derf: it's just that when a packet is identified, by reading the "vorbis" bytes at the beginning, I'm getting a prepended 0x01, then the "vorbis" bytes
Jan 03 20:25:46 <derf> A page is split into headers and packet data.
Jan 03 20:26:01 <lardman> s/packet/header packet
Jan 03 20:26:13 <derf> lardman: The 0x01 is the packet type identifier.
Jan 03 20:26:20 <derf> It says, "This is a header packet."
Jan 03 20:26:21 <somenick> thanks, embarassingly simple i'm guessing but ii only started working with python this morning: i was trying to use the HildonCaption but can't seem to create one without specifying an icon widget through the python biinding. specifying none didn't work and i've been hard pressed to find examples or docs.
Jan 03 20:26:37 <lardman> derf: ah, perhaps I've removed the code that reads that byte then
Jan 03 20:27:06 <derf> Specifically, that should be the info header (as opposed to the comment header or setup header).
Jan 03 20:27:23 <lardman> are info headers required?
Jan 03 20:27:40 <lardman> does the packet have to exist or can it be left out?
Jan 03 20:28:11 <derf> The info header is required... it tells you the sampling rate, number of channels, and some other useful information.
Jan 03 20:28:15 <lardman> I removed the info packet reading code as it's of no use on the DSP, but if it's required, and they have to appear in a given order I need to put it back in and just throw away the data
Jan 03 20:28:29 <lardman> info header that should be
Jan 03 20:29:01 <lardman> no I'm thinking of the comment header
Jan 03 20:29:08 <lardman> is that requred?
Jan 03 20:29:13 <derf> The comment header is required by the code.
Jan 03 20:29:18 <derf> It isn't really used for anything, though.
Jan 03 20:29:27 <derf> In theory it has a vendor string that could be used to work around bugs.
Jan 03 20:29:31 <lardman> ok, I need to add that back in then
Jan 03 20:30:51 <rm_you> lardman: is it possible in like... one or two senteces to tell me how to set up the DSP toolchain if i already have SB set up? >_> (longshot)
Jan 03 20:31:17 <rm_you> or a link
Jan 03 20:31:22 <lardman> rm_you: yes, for starters you don't need scratchbox as it's an x86 toolchain
Jan 03 20:31:26 <rm_you> ah
Jan 03 20:31:29 <lmoura> somenick, can you post some test code at http://pastebin.com/ ?
Jan 03 20:31:43 <lardman> http://maemo.org/community/wiki/dspprogramming/
Jan 03 20:31:51 <rm_you> sweet, thanks...
Jan 03 20:32:05 <lardman> np, let me know how you get on
Jan 03 20:32:11 <rm_you> i probably should have further investigated the wiki, but it kinda seems like no one has used it since 770 >_>
Jan 03 20:32:11 <derf> http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Biltmore-Cant-Log-In.aspx
Jan 03 20:32:33 <somenick> lmoura: sure, thanks. will take me a second as i'm typing on the nokia thumbboard
Jan 03 20:33:34 <lmoura> ok
Jan 03 20:33:36 <rm_you> oh it's a Texas Instruments chip? :P
Jan 03 20:33:37 <lardman> derf: lol, all this time I've been worrying about that stay 0x01 and now I notice that there's an extra packtype=oggpack_read(&opb,8); at the start
Jan 03 20:33:44 <lardman> rm_you: yep
Jan 03 20:33:57 <rm_you> lol... my roommate last year was the son of the COO/CEO or something >_>
Jan 03 20:34:38 <lardman> derf: sorry for the noise, the problem must lie somewhere later in the process. Debugging by inserting the equivalent of printf() statements is painful :(
Jan 03 20:37:30 <rm_you> what model is the DSP/
Jan 03 20:38:05 <derf> lardman: And IIRC, the original Neuros had a C54-family chip.
Jan 03 20:38:19 <rm_you> TMS320C55x?
Jan 03 20:39:01 <lardman> derf: yes that's what I thought, I'm wondering what processor it had as it appears to present data read from the disk in bigendian form
Jan 03 20:39:16 <lardman> rm_you: yes
Jan 03 20:40:33 <lardman> from looking at Monty's oggbyte_readi() implementation
Jan 03 20:42:10 <somenick> lmoura: i've  pasted a short example at http://pastebin.com/d79fc31eb that produces the error; altering the line that creates the caption to pass through an image works fine, but i end up with an image on the caption. i'm assuming the problem is my lack of python knowledge :-) thanks for your help
Jan 03 20:45:32 <lardman> good, looks like I'm getting a OV_EBADHEADER error now, which is not unexpected as I was ignoring the comments part of the header
Jan 03 20:50:07 <rm_you> wow, that's a large toolchain :) glad i'm getting 1m/s
Jan 03 20:51:50 * Tak snickers
Jan 03 21:00:23 <lmoura> somenick, it was a problem in the python bindings. It'll be fixed in our next release (next week)
Jan 03 21:02:48 <somenick> thanks, lmoura
Jan 03 21:06:46 <rm_you> lardman: "Copy the avs_kernel.out from your device to the /opt/ti_dsptools/dspgw"?
Jan 03 21:12:18 <lardman> rm_you: doesn't matter where you put it, I put it there as that's where the toolchain lives
Jan 03 21:12:31 <rm_you> my question was more where to GET it
Jan 03 21:12:38 <lardman> ah, /lib/dsp/
Jan 03 21:12:41 <rm_you> ah
Jan 03 21:12:55 <rm_you> found something that said /etc/dsp online, but that didn't exist :P
Jan 03 21:13:21 <lardman> yes, that was for the earliest versions of the dspgateway
Jan 03 21:15:52 <drwx> hi! the official miltimedia player in OS2008 use mplayer, xine, vlc or something else?
Jan 03 21:16:03 <lardman> drwx: gstreamer
Jan 03 21:16:27 <lardman> rm_you: tv, will come back now and again and check if you have a question
Jan 03 21:16:35 <drwx> it's more or less compatible than mplayer?
Jan 03 21:16:40 <rm_you> well i am leaving currently
Jan 03 21:16:43 <rm_you> dentist >_>
Jan 03 21:16:46 <rm_you> bbl
Jan 03 21:16:50 <lardman|tv> rm_you: hard luck
Jan 03 21:16:59 <lardman|tv> rm_you: I'm in the uk so may be asleep later on
Jan 03 21:17:08 <rm_you> way later actually, hafta drive to someone's house and replace the LCD on their laptop :P
Jan 03 21:17:33 <lardman|tv> rm_you: ok, let me know how you get on tomorrow, etc. Hope the dentist doen't hurt too much!
Jan 03 21:17:45 <rm_you> lol
Jan 03 21:17:50 <rm_you> just normal checkup
Jan 03 21:18:13 <drwx> I know this sort of checkup
Jan 03 21:18:40 <rm_you> lol
Jan 03 21:20:30 <skibur> I'm trying to learn how to reverse engineer hardware.   Any good book out there that has good guide lines?
Jan 03 21:27:59 <shackan> skibur: what kind of hardware?
Jan 03 21:28:12 <skibur> hum...
Jan 03 21:28:35 <skibur> like wireless devices
Jan 03 21:28:57 <skibur> more like video game consoles
Jan 03 21:29:31 <DeLe0n> i heard that the developer discount codes were working in europe, does anyone knows if they work in USA?
Jan 03 21:29:36 <skibur> I would like to be able to look at any hardware and use a guide to understand it
Jan 03 21:29:39 <sk> skibur:good luck w/that, shit is crazy
Jan 03 21:29:45 <skibur> o ok
Jan 03 21:29:48 <skibur> lol
Jan 03 21:29:51 <sk> hehe
Jan 03 21:29:55 <sk> google maybe
Jan 03 21:29:57 <skibur> I'm not a n00b
Jan 03 21:30:00 <doc|work> is it possible to disable email checking?
Jan 03 21:30:01 <Cord> DeLe0n: try it :-)
Jan 03 21:30:08 <sk> good, i didn't say you were
Jan 03 21:30:11 <doc|work> besides deleting the account details
Jan 03 21:30:14 <skibur> yeah searching as we chat
Jan 03 21:30:16 <kbsingh> doc|work: have it check 127.0.0.1 for pop3 ?
Jan 03 21:30:18 <skibur> lol
Jan 03 21:30:20 <kbsingh> doc|work: that should disable it
Jan 03 21:30:31 <sk> probably some asm level understanding
Jan 03 21:30:40 <DeLe0n> Cord: I will hahaha i was just checking if someone did it
Jan 03 21:30:41 <sk> and something like idapro for reversing software
Jan 03 21:30:45 <skibur> http://www.grandideastudio.com/files/security/training/blackhat_hh_training_toc.pdf
Jan 03 21:30:52 <skibur> that will be nice to follow
Jan 03 21:31:15 <Cord> DeLe0n: reports say that a code in Belgium did work. here in germany they don't work...
Jan 03 21:31:21 <skibur> I need one more year until I graduate
Jan 03 21:31:33 <sk> skibur : is that for a class?
Jan 03 21:31:35 <sk> the .pdf?
Jan 03 21:31:37 <skibur> I need an Idea so that I can work on my Masters
Jan 03 21:31:46 <skibur> yeah
Jan 03 21:31:58 <skibur> well,  I need something to work with
Jan 03 21:32:26 <DeLe0n> Cord: damn... haha so close and so far... haha
Jan 03 21:33:13 <sk> skibur : cool man
Jan 03 21:33:21 <skibur> the greatest hack ever discovered IMHO is the Emulator
Jan 03 21:34:59 <shackan> THE emulator?
Jan 03 21:35:33 <skibur> yup
Jan 03 21:35:37 <shackan> heh
Jan 03 21:35:39 <shackan> which one?
Jan 03 21:35:55 <skibur> all
Jan 03 21:35:57 <skibur> emulators
Jan 03 21:36:13 <shackan> what you said doesn't make sense
Jan 03 21:36:18 <shackan> for me at least..
Jan 03 21:36:24 <DeLe0n> Cord: out of stock in nokiausa.com :( ... maybe next week
Jan 03 21:36:47 <Cord> i see. ok, in germany it seems to be available... but...
Jan 03 21:38:58 <alterego> My discount code is teh suck
Jan 03 21:39:23 <sk> skibur: haha
Jan 03 21:39:32 <sk> just the abstract "emulator" fact
Jan 03 21:39:37 <sk> yea its pretty cool
Jan 03 21:39:42 <sk> I think VM's are damn cool
Jan 03 21:39:45 <sk> not voicemail!
Jan 03 21:39:56 <Cord> and a real pain in the ass.
Jan 03 21:40:29 <skibur> :)
Jan 03 21:41:32 <sk> heh
Jan 03 21:45:47 <|tbb|> anyone knows how to add a comma number with expr command from bash like expr 100,2 + 10,4
Jan 03 21:46:34 <Cord> . o O ( echo 100.2 + 10.4 |bc )
Jan 03 21:47:40 <|tbb|> does os2008 came with bc
Jan 03 21:47:47 <Cord> no idea.
Jan 03 21:48:12 <|tbb|> anyone could try it please btw dunno if expr will work on that too
Jan 03 21:50:07 <Cord> expr 100 + 10
Jan 03 21:50:10 <Cord> works.
Jan 03 21:50:25 <Cord> i'm not sure if you can calculated with floatpoint numbers.
Jan 03 21:50:46 <inz> |tbb|, you usually want to use . instead of ,, but it doesn't help with expr (or $(()))
Jan 03 21:51:53 <alterego> Wow, there's a lot of people laying into "the Maemo team" on Quim's blog :S
Jan 03 21:52:27 <|tbb|> cord bc also works?
Jan 03 21:52:35 <Cord> bc can do.
Jan 03 21:52:50 <|tbb|> k thx
Jan 03 21:52:58 <Cord> as pointed out above, but you must make sure to have it on $whatever
Jan 03 21:53:15 <Cord> and you need dots (.) not commas (,) as seperator.
Jan 03 21:54:57 <ds3> is there any way on the N800 w/OS2007 to tell it to prefer a given network if more then one is available, i.e. I want to tell it to connect to my home WiFi instead of DUN to my phone if home WiFi is available
Jan 03 21:58:40 <alterego> It's funny that people are ranting about how Quim hasn't kept us informed about the discount code delays. But then, I heard there were great problems with the N800 program. Maybe being silent is all he can do considering it's completely out of the Maemo teams hand.
Jan 03 22:00:00 <DeLe0n> alterego: yep, i have none internet tablet, but still i don't complain hahaha, I'm just anxious to get my first hahaha
Jan 03 22:00:45 <alterego> I paid a lot for my first tablet. And I still love my N800
Jan 03 22:01:34 <alterego> Having an N810 and being accepted is a bonus. Just makes it more worth while to continue developing for the platform. Though, I develop for more selfish reasons. I like to hack in Ruby for my own nefarious ends :)
Jan 03 22:01:51 <kbsingh> ewww. ruby
Jan 03 22:02:21 <alterego> kbsingh, you have a problem with Ruby? That's too bad.
Jan 03 22:02:29 <Cord> . o O ( we will have a nice zoo of programming-languages on the thingie )
Jan 03 22:03:29 <kbsingh> ewwwww ruby
Jan 03 22:03:29 <alterego> There's a nice zoo of program languages for most computers :P
Jan 03 22:03:38 <alterego> kbsingh, shut up.
Jan 03 22:03:59 <Cord> alterego: ack. but on my linux-desktop is enough space to store them.
Jan 03 22:03:59 <kbsingh> see thats what the problem with ruby and the people who work with it is. they cant really see beyond it.
Jan 03 22:04:01 <skibur> gnome ftp client for the Tablet?
Jan 03 22:04:07 <alterego> I mean really .. One completely pointless statement and then you repeat yourself.
Jan 03 22:04:09 <kbsingh> personally, erlang ftw, followed by haskell
Jan 03 22:04:38 <alterego> kbsingh, how can you say the problem with a programming language are people that use it?
Jan 03 22:04:42 <Cord> . o O ( now it gets ugly ;-)
Jan 03 22:04:51 <kbsingh> alterego: I've found, in the last few months - working with some fairly obsessive ruby types - its the easiest way to get at them :D
Jan 03 22:04:55 <alterego> I was thinking of doing Haskell-maemo ..
Jan 03 22:05:00 <lardman|tv> night all
Jan 03 22:05:19 <alterego> kbsingh, well thanks for judging me because of some other people you've met.
Jan 03 22:05:27 <alterego> I think you're a dick because I met a dick last night.
Jan 03 22:05:29 <kbsingh> alterego: you're welcome.
Jan 03 22:05:54 <deejoe> ruby?  are we talking about this rant? http://zedshaw.com/rants/rails_is_a_ghetto.html
Jan 03 22:05:59 <kbsingh> also, i didnt say it was about you - i did a slightly wider generalisation
Jan 03 22:06:06 <kbsingh> unless everyone else has stopped using it :D
Jan 03 22:06:07 <alterego> I think you're fat because I walked past burger king yesterday whilst on my way to the library. and I think you wear glasses because there was a girl in the library with glasses.
Jan 03 22:06:20 <kbsingh> deejoe: naw, i am just pulling alterego's leg. and he's biting
Jan 03 22:06:33 <kbsingh> alterego: actually you are right. i am fat.
Jan 03 22:06:38 <alterego> If by biting you mean slightly amused .. I guess.
Jan 03 22:06:44 <alterego> That's a shame.
Jan 03 22:06:48 <kbsingh> not really
Jan 03 22:06:54 <alterego> I knew I'd hit the nail on the head with one of those stereotypes.
Jan 03 22:06:59 <kbsingh> wouldnt want to play rugby if i wasent in the shape i am
Jan 03 22:07:05 <alterego> Sorry "generalisations" :)
Jan 03 22:07:29 <kbsingh> yes, the ruby sorts are known to do it
Jan 03 22:07:31 <alterego> I used to play rugby and I'm not too fat.
Jan 03 22:07:33 <kbsingh> i wont hold it against you
Jan 03 22:07:33 <alterego> 12 stone.
Jan 03 22:07:37 <kbsingh> 15 here
Jan 03 22:07:40 <kbsingh> left flank
Jan 03 22:07:44 <alterego> I'm pretty average.
Jan 03 22:07:48 <alterego> I just ran.
Jan 03 22:07:53 <alterego> Ran and grabbed people.
Jan 03 22:08:06 <celesteh> how much is a stone?
Jan 03 22:08:25 <celesteh> it's not on my metric to american converter
Jan 03 22:08:28 <kbsingh> 6.3 kg's i think
Jan 03 22:08:29 <alterego> 76.2 Kg
Jan 03 22:08:39 <kbsingh> alterego: eh ? 'a stone' ?
Jan 03 22:08:44 <alterego> That's 12 stone in kilograms ;)
Jan 03 22:09:00 <alterego> I thought I'd save him doing the arithmetic.
Jan 03 22:09:07 <celesteh> ah, i was thinking you must be the jolly green giant is a stone was 76 kg
Jan 03 22:09:18 <alterego> celesteh, that's just a toe.
Jan 03 22:09:30 <inz> !gcalc 1 stone in kilograms
Jan 03 22:09:32 <inz> 1 stone = 6.35029318 kilograms
Jan 03 22:09:35 <kbsingh> well, isnt the kg actually lighter now than it was sometime back ?
Jan 03 22:09:44 <kbsingh> i recall reading something about that a while back and being quite amused
Jan 03 22:10:03 <alterego> That's a bit absurd. Sounds like an April fools joke to me.
Jan 03 22:10:07 <celesteh> alas.
Jan 03 22:10:08 <inz> kbsingh, the official kilogram "prototype" reduces in size, yes
Jan 03 22:10:22 <kbsingh> alterego: no, the original kg was this bit of 'something' kept somewhere in France ?
Jan 03 22:10:30 <kbsingh> inz: there ya go
Jan 03 22:10:33 <alterego> Could that be the real reason Americans are getting fatter?
Jan 03 22:10:40 <celesteh> i don't understand why some countries aren't on metric
Jan 03 22:10:42 <alterego> But wouldn't that mean we're getting fatter too ..
Jan 03 22:10:53 <alterego> celesteh, it's habit.
Jan 03 22:11:00 <kbsingh> not sure
Jan 03 22:11:01 <celesteh> it's annoying.
Jan 03 22:11:03 <Aniruddha_NL> hi
Jan 03 22:11:13 <kbsingh> personally, i am quite taken in by newsof this bug that requires people to stay home and not goto work for a few days
Jan 03 22:11:15 <alterego> I use metric for a lot of things. But weight and distance are usually stone's and miles in England.
Jan 03 22:11:18 <celesteh> the reason americans are getting fatter is the new quarter-kilogram wopper
Jan 03 22:11:19 <kbsingh> even after you are supposed to be all bettter
Jan 03 22:11:20 <Aniruddha_NL> is it possible to configure the n800 for a single tap?
Jan 03 22:11:30 <Aniruddha_NL> I find the double tap rather annnoying
Jan 03 22:11:47 <alterego> celesteh, ah. So they're doing it to reduce the _actual_ size of the burgers?
Jan 03 22:12:07 <alterego> Aniruddha_NL, what double tap?
Jan 03 22:12:15 * alterego doesn't remember ever having to double tap anything ..
Jan 03 22:12:24 <Aniruddha_NL> I need to double tap to launc programs
Jan 03 22:12:31 <alterego> Except when the first tap didn't succeed.
Jan 03 22:12:34 <celesteh> alterego: was a joke.  There exists a quarter pound wopper.  1kg = 2.2 lbs
Jan 03 22:12:48 <alterego> Aniruddha_NL, no you don't.
Jan 03 22:13:12 <alterego> Not unless somehow you've managed to _enable_ a double tap feature ^_^
Jan 03 22:13:19 <Aniruddha_NL> lol
Jan 03 22:13:24 <Aniruddha_NL> mys mistake
Jan 03 22:13:26 <Aniruddha_NL> you right
Jan 03 22:13:38 <Aniruddha_NL> somehow I ocnvinced myself I needed to double tab
Jan 03 22:13:48 <alterego> Heh,
Jan 03 22:13:54 <alterego> I take it you're a windows user :P
Jan 03 22:13:54 <Aniruddha_NL> maybe it was necesarry ebfor the screen calibration ^^
Jan 03 22:13:58 <Cord> . o O ( is there a camera somewhere here? )
Jan 03 22:14:40 <alterego> Having said that .. Many years ago when I was actually using Windows, before I found UNIX. I was using single tap on 2000 ..
Jan 03 22:14:56 <Aniruddha_NL> lol
Jan 03 22:15:05 <Cord> 2000? that isn't long ago.
Jan 03 22:15:14 <Aniruddha_NL> WIndoes?
Jan 03 22:15:19 <Aniruddha_NL> feels like a past life
Jan 03 22:15:22 <alterego> I'd say 8 years is quite some time ago ..
Jan 03 22:15:36 <Aniruddha_NL> I need soem regression therapy to get that back
Jan 03 22:15:37 <doc|work> kbsingh: sorry, was afk. That'll mean editing the config every time. I was hoping for something a little less of a pain in the arse :/
Jan 03 22:15:51 <kbsingh> doc|work: i wasent being serious.
Jan 03 22:16:05 <doc|work> good :)
Jan 03 22:16:07 <Aniruddha_NL> can I install 2007 software in 2008?
Jan 03 22:16:12 <alterego> doc|work, what are you trying to do?
Jan 03 22:16:13 <kbsingh> but that is what i did to stop it from blu'ing al the time
Jan 03 22:16:17 <alterego> You appear to be off my buffer :P
Jan 03 22:16:19 <kbsingh> i use claws which does not seem to do that
Jan 03 22:16:21 <Cord> . o O ( you are all so fucking young )
Jan 03 22:16:28 <Aniruddha_NL> I tried wenoth but failed
Jan 03 22:16:30 * Cord hides.
Jan 03 22:16:30 <kbsingh> so its fine to just misconfig or unconfig the built in app
Jan 03 22:16:34 <doc|work> alterego: disable the default mail checking at times
Jan 03 22:16:38 <Aniruddha_NL> and nw I am search for an irc client
Jan 03 22:16:45 <kbsingh> Aniruddha_NL: irssi ftw
Jan 03 22:16:47 <alterego> Hmmm.
Jan 03 22:17:06 <alterego> Is that a gconf key?
Jan 03 22:17:10 <doc|work> alterego: like when I have the n800 beside me, but still have my email client running, so the instant it checks there's a mail there but then it's gone from the server but still flashing
Jan 03 22:17:26 <doc|work> s/email client/email client on my desktop
Jan 03 22:17:26 <alterego> Maybe write a command to do it and stick it in a command option under the status bar applet.
Jan 03 22:18:00 <doc|work> alterego: hmmm, where would I look to even start at that? :/
Jan 03 22:18:28 <alterego> gconf-tool
Jan 03 22:18:53 <alterego> Adding a command to the cpu mem applet is easy.
Jan 03 22:20:02 <doc|work> ok, thanks
Jan 03 22:22:25 <Aniruddha_NL> kbsingh: thank
Jan 03 22:23:08 <|tbb|> is there a gconf editor gui available for os 2008
Jan 03 22:25:59 <Khertan> Hi !
Jan 03 22:26:42 <Aniruddha_NL> kbsingh: do you have a link?
Jan 03 22:28:07 <Khertan> http://www.jan-jansen.be/index.php/2008/01/03/nokia_internet_tablet_n810_part_5
Jan 03 22:28:12 <Khertan> do u have see this ?
Jan 03 22:28:18 <Cord> yup.
Jan 03 22:28:42 <kbsingh> Aniruddha_NL: no :(
Jan 03 22:28:50 <kbsingh> Aniruddha_NL: you might be better off with xchat actually
Jan 03 22:28:55 <kbsingh> and that might even bein the stock extra repo
Jan 03 22:28:59 <sk> peace y'all im outta here
Jan 03 22:29:07 <Aniruddha_NL> itcu
Jan 03 22:29:12 <Aniruddha_NL> it is for 2007 :(
Jan 03 22:31:19 <jsmith> kbsingh: It's not for 2008, but there's a beta build I found that works great in 2008
Jan 03 22:33:43 <Aniruddha_NL> jsmith: irc?
Jan 03 22:34:03 <jsmith> Aniruddha_NL: Yes, xchat
Jan 03 22:34:23 <Aniruddha_NL> where did you find the beta?
Jan 03 22:34:26 <Luria> tasd, dammit
Jan 03 22:34:29 <Aniruddha_NL> on maemo apps?
Jan 03 22:34:30 <Luria> err yasd
Jan 03 22:34:45 <jsmith> Aniruddha_NL: http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/
Jan 03 22:35:09 <Aniruddha_NL> kewl thanks
Jan 03 22:35:16 <jsmith> No problem
Jan 03 22:35:17 <Aniruddha_NL> does he also has an repo?
Jan 03 22:35:22 <jsmith> No clue
Jan 03 22:35:35 <jsmith> I'm new at all this, so I'm just struggling to learn myself ;-)
Jan 03 22:35:39 <Aniruddha_NL> lol
Jan 03 22:35:42 <Aniruddha_NL> me to
Jan 03 22:35:52 <Aniruddha_NL> got my n800 today
Jan 03 23:14:29 <|tbb|> anyone knows why Latitude: sometime 16 numbers and sometimes 17 numbers long near the same place
Jan 03 23:23:45 <astro76> |tbb|, example?
Jan 03 23:25:18 <|tbb|> http://www.vorlagen.uni-erlangen.de/vorlagen/karten/tool-map.shtml
Jan 03 23:25:39 <|tbb|> click on that card sometimes 16 sometimes 17
Jan 03 23:25:50 <rm_you|n800> hrm
Jan 03 23:26:24 <|tbb|> how can i end a for loop
Jan 03 23:27:01 <|tbb|> wb rm_you
Jan 03 23:27:10 <rm_you|n800> done
Jan 03 23:27:30 <|tbb|> me?
Jan 03 23:27:48 <rm_you|n800> for foo in $bar do done
Jan 03 23:28:11 <rm_you|n800> newlines, of course
Jan 03 23:28:45 <|tbb|> and how quit it before if an event succeded
Jan 03 23:30:25 <rm_you|n800> hrm
Jan 03 23:30:36 <rm_you|n800> it's either exit or break
Jan 03 23:30:48 <rm_you|n800> i'm afraid exit will exit your entire script
Jan 03 23:30:50 <rm_you|n800> try break
Jan 03 23:32:16 <rm_you|n800> hrm... dentist went... well? only one very small cavity beginning, but they aren't going to worry about it for like 6 months for some reason <_<
Jan 03 23:32:53 <rm_you|n800> anyways, i generally remember stuff about BASH "on the fly" so to speak
Jan 03 23:33:08 <rm_you|n800> just kinda try stuff out with test scripts
Jan 03 23:33:11 <rm_you|n800> it's mostly common sense
Jan 03 23:33:23 <skibur> is this right
Jan 03 23:33:37 <skibur> msdosfs /dev/mmcblk0p1
Jan 03 23:34:09 <rm_you|n800> lol dunno
Jan 03 23:34:15 <astro76> mkdosfs not msdosfs
Jan 03 23:38:07 <rm_you|n800> ah i was wondering what you were trying to do :P
Jan 03 23:38:25 <rm_you|n800> i thought it was like mkfs.vfat/
Jan 03 23:38:36 <rm_you|n800> minus the / >_>
Jan 03 23:43:07 <skibur> o ok
Jan 03 23:43:24 <skibur> mkdosfs mkfs.vfat /dev/mmcblk0p1
Jan 03 23:43:46 <astro76> err no you want one of mkdosfs or mkfs.vfat
Jan 03 23:43:55 <astro76> probably mkfs.vfat
Jan 03 23:51:27 <skibur> ?
Jan 03 23:53:57 <skibur> I did mkdosfs on partition 1, but I don't see vfat using sfdisk
Jan 03 23:55:42 <alterego> Your mom's vfat
Jan 03 23:56:16 <Spacer> just curious, what kind of video have you guys got running smoothly on the n8x0?
Jan 03 23:57:38 <Cptnodegard> limit for me seems to be 624x352 xvid straight off the net, played in mplayer but just barely
Jan 03 23:58:02 <Cptnodegard> barely as in no lag but not far from it
Jan 03 23:58:53 <Spacer> i had the same result, but sometimes in 'dense' scenes its gets rather choppy, resizing anything to width == 400 seems to play very well
Jan 03 23:58:56 <skibur> lol
Jan 03 23:58:58 <skibur> funny
Jan 04 00:01:05 <jga23> anybody imported contacts into their IT before?  what format do they need to be in?
Jan 04 00:01:43 <Khertan> jga23> need to be vcard
Jan 04 00:02:01 <Khertan> version 2.1 accepted but not fully compliant with 3.0
Jan 04 00:02:47 <jga23> hmm, ok
Jan 04 00:03:24 <jga23> what is the addressbook.db?  is that sqlite?
Jan 04 00:03:40 <rm_you|n800> Spacer: I encode my videos to 400x320 in xvid at 1200 bitrate
Jan 04 00:03:49 <rm_you|n800> and 30fps. and they look marvelous
Jan 04 00:04:07 <rm_you|n800> lardman|gone: >_> gone. :(
Jan 04 00:04:22 <Screaming> wotcher guyz(n galz)
Jan 04 00:06:33 <Screaming> Anyone else getting "you need to download a new version"..blah from YouTube on it2008?
Jan 04 00:06:51 <rm_you|n800> damn... building and testing is impossible with all this firewall blegh my buildbox is behind <_<
Jan 04 00:07:25 <rm_you|n800> Screaming: no, but youtube functions very poorly in browser anyway
Jan 04 00:07:42 <rm_you|n800> install UKMP and use UKTube program that is included
Jan 04 00:07:53 <rm_you|n800> it downloads the videos and plays them in mplayer
Jan 04 00:08:39 <rm_you|n800> ack, and now a text autocomplete bar has appeared at the bottom of my screen with "abc" on the right side... and it won't go away
Jan 04 00:08:42 <Screaming> Ta. Ill try that. used to work in 007 more or less
Jan 04 00:08:48 <shack008n> Screaming: check that you have the flash comoponent enabled in the browser
Jan 04 00:09:09 <Screaming> ohhhh thats NEW
Jan 04 00:09:16 <rm_you|n800> i'm using a bluetooth keyboard, i don't need an autocomplete bar <_<
Jan 04 00:09:54 <Screaming> tnx timeless..new stuff!!!!
Jan 04 00:10:14 <shack008n> what new stuff?
Jan 04 00:12:24 <Screaming> spot on shack008n its disabled...now how to enable it????
Jan 04 00:12:45 <shack008n> you select it
Jan 04 00:13:47 <Screaming> np got it now.....;-) Tnx
Jan 04 00:14:43 <rm_you|n800> tell me if the videos lag very badly on your system as well >_>
Jan 04 00:14:53 * Screaming thinks why didn't I see that?
Jan 04 00:20:17 <kbsingh> so, i got that 8 gig minisd card today
Jan 04 00:20:35 <kbsingh> turns out to be a class4 card, and not the class2 i feared it would be
Jan 04 00:21:33 <Screaming> Mwah! Wille Nelson "You were always on my mind" Perfect!!!!
Jan 04 00:23:38 <rm_you|n800> woooo :P
Jan 04 00:24:38 <Screaming> rm_you|n800,  Dead right, gotta download that!
Jan 04 00:25:02 <rm_you|n800> i have it at home somewhere <_<
Jan 04 00:27:44 <Screaming> Hee! Gronmayer even gives me Ttimeless's temp fix repo when I look for uukmp. Now thats cool
Jan 04 00:28:12 <Screaming> s/Tt/T
Jan 04 00:29:55 <ryoohki> what's the cheapest nokia n810 deal out there in the states?  i found one for $408 free ship and no tax unless in nj
Jan 04 00:30:58 <Robot101> god damn I should've got my n810 in the states
Jan 04 00:34:23 <DeLe0n> Robot101: where did u get it? and how much?
Jan 04 00:36:57 <Screaming> Oooh repository.maemo.org/extras actually  gave  me ukmp. Things are gettin better, geettin better all  the time...
Jan 04 00:38:23 <Screaming> s/eee/e bloody vkb. Anyone got a fix for its double clicks yet?
Jan 04 00:38:44 <Screaming> s/eee/ee
Jan 04 00:48:32 <Screaming> Yes! Another 8Mb wwell spent.
Jan 04 00:48:52 <Screaming> zzzzzz s/ww/w
Jan 04 00:57:04 <Robot101> DeLe0n: about £300, from misco.co.uk
Jan 04 00:57:49 <DeLe0n> wooow almost 600 us dollars!!
Jan 04 00:58:02 <jga23> anybody know where I can find python-abook?
Jan 04 00:58:29 <skibur> How can I verify if I'm booting off of mmc2?
Jan 04 00:58:39 <Screaming> Mmmmm Willie Nelson. 'Nother question..Any ideas how to fix ukmp and kagu so it gives me pictures of the singer Joselito, not the footballer?? If possible the one from 1956, not the later imitation.
Jan 04 00:59:37 <Screaming> skibur, You cant see the internal card if you are.
Jan 04 00:59:51 <skibur> ?
Jan 04 00:59:58 <skibur> hum...
Jan 04 01:01:12 <Screaming> df tells you iif its mmc or mtdblock4
Jan 04 01:02:03 <skibur> ok
Jan 04 01:03:49 <skibur> /dev/mmcblk02      /
Jan 04 01:03:55 <skibur> Nice
Jan 04 01:03:56 <skibur> lol
Jan 04 01:07:55 <Screaming> Anyone considering hooking a usb midi gizmo to an n800/810? I have timidity running . Would be really cool to tape my n800 behind my midi keyboard to get a real symphony orchestra coming out.
Jan 04 01:08:19 <kbsingh> umm...
Jan 04 01:10:13 <Screaming> Midi is a standard usb kernel module. May need compiling of course..
Jan 04 01:16:08 <Screaming> Sounds like a big "No" to usb midi there. You mean I'm gonna be first to go busking with an N800? Again!
Jan 04 01:17:09 <Screaming> Willie Nelson eat your heart out.
Jan 04 01:17:18 <Screaming> bbl
Jan 04 01:33:49 <skibur> downloading kde358.tar.bz2
Jan 04 01:33:54 <skibur> for my N800
Jan 04 01:38:03 <|tbb|> dowloading compiz-fusion for my n810
Jan 04 01:39:09 <rm_you|n800> rofl wtf
Jan 04 01:39:23 <rm_you|n800> that would be sweet :P
Jan 04 01:41:00 <|tbb|> how do i enable those protocols for built in IM with that internet comunications software update2
Jan 04 01:43:23 <shack008n> rbb,the announce and the  site have instructions
Jan 04 01:43:31 <shack008n> *tbb
Jan 04 01:49:21 <rm_you|n800> you will need to do the rtcomm beta install thing, which involves redpill if you havent done that already
Jan 04 01:50:25 <|tbb|> i have done that but the wizard wont show me any more protocols like before. sip and jabber there
Jan 04 01:51:25 <ph|ber> anyone have any themes for the 810?
Jan 04 01:52:04 <|tbb|> oh what i have seen now there is a new entry under extras called rtcominstaller beta with xterm logo lol
Jan 04 01:54:42 <EruditeHermit> hi, where can I find a repository to install GPE on OS2008?
Jan 04 01:57:46 <|tbb|> thats odd, it says no space left on the device. df shows that only /dev/mtdblock4 is 98% used whatever this is
Jan 04 02:08:46 <rm_you|n800> after you install the package you have to click it AGAIN in the manu and it will do a second install
Jan 04 02:08:48 <rm_you|n800> THEN you will have new options
Jan 04 02:08:50 <rm_you|n800> bbl, driving somewhere
Jan 04 02:09:00 <rm_you|n800> :(
Jan 04 02:09:06 <rm_you|n800> tbb: you get rtcom working?
Jan 04 02:09:08 <rm_you|n800> after you install the package you have to click it AGAIN in the manu and it will do a second install
Jan 04 02:09:10 <rm_you|n800> Just fyi
Jan 04 02:09:12 <rm_you|n800> and now i must go
Jan 04 02:09:16 <rm_you|n800> *menu
Jan 04 02:11:58 <jga23> anybody get fceu working in os2008?
Jan 04 02:13:41 <luron_> yes
Jan 04 02:13:47 <jga23> how?
Jan 04 02:14:02 <luron_> duno. check the itt thread
Jan 04 02:14:22 <luron_> unique311 and Tak might be around
Jan 04 02:14:49 <|tbb|> any chances we will see kismet on os2008
Jan 04 02:16:28 <luron_> would be great with the gps
Jan 04 02:17:45 * thefool wants his n770 back...
Jan 04 02:17:48 <|tbb|> yeah got a few ideas for that
Jan 04 02:19:08 <sk> why doesn't kismet work on os2008/
Jan 04 02:20:03 <sk> it works on n770, id' just assume it works on os2008
Jan 04 02:21:01 <shack008n> something allong the lines of the wifi driver dropping/corrupting packets
Jan 04 02:21:11 <sk> oh word
Jan 04 02:21:12 <sk> damn
Jan 04 02:21:54 <shack008n> gotta love binary drivers..
Jan 04 02:22:00 <sk> or not
Jan 04 02:22:00 <sk> heh
Jan 04 02:25:16 <sk> alright im out
Jan 04 02:25:16 <sk> peace
Jan 04 02:26:27 <shack008n> me too
Jan 04 02:29:59 <skibur> anybody running kde?
Jan 04 02:32:52 <unique311> luron not a dev for fceu...heh
Jan 04 02:33:05 <unique311> tak i think is.
Jan 04 02:34:08 <unique311> but to answer your fceu questions..vba works so i don't see why fceu is not ported yet to 2008
Jan 04 02:34:17 <thefool> skibur: oh god, you mean on the tablet?
Jan 04 02:34:31 <unique311> working perfectly, thats another question.
Jan 04 02:34:49 <skibur> yeah
Jan 04 02:35:22 <unique311> gngeo, is working 100 percent besides the a little issue with the onscreen  keys not showing up .
Jan 04 02:36:01 <jga23> will any neogeo game run?
Jan 04 02:36:13 <skibur> yeah
Jan 04 02:36:14 <skibur> but slow
Jan 04 02:36:27 <luron> i thought neogeo was very fast
Jan 04 02:36:50 <jga23> I just want to play ikari warriors, I hope fceu gets ported quickly
Jan 04 02:37:02 <unique311> luron it is.
Jan 04 02:37:20 <Vulcanis> PCSX being ported would be fun, too...  As would drpocketsnes
Jan 04 02:37:26 <unique311> skibur, gngeo runs really fast.
Jan 04 02:37:34 <skibur> ?
Jan 04 02:37:36 <skibur> hum...
Jan 04 02:37:39 <unique311> Vulcanis, pupnik worked on a psx port.
Jan 04 02:37:41 <skibur> no frames missing?
Jan 04 02:37:51 <thefool> skibur: I think KDE on a tablet would be an abomination. But it does work according to what I have been told
Jan 04 02:38:03 <skibur> abomination?
Jan 04 02:38:09 <unique311> and got it running at speeds you should not try to play unless you are drunk..
Jan 04 02:38:13 <unique311> not even drunk
Jan 04 02:38:27 <jga23> you think sengoku will run on the n810?
Jan 04 02:38:44 <luron> ikari was an awesome game in the arcades.  loved the controls
Jan 04 02:38:45 <skibur> thefool, have you seen it?
Jan 04 02:38:56 <skibur> running?
Jan 04 02:38:56 <luron> "Welcome to my home, warrior!.... This is the place of your DEATH"
Jan 04 02:39:00 <thefool> pictures/screen shots
Jan 04 02:39:04 <thefool> but not in real life
Jan 04 02:39:06 <skibur> o ok
Jan 04 02:39:09 <Vulcanis> Unique: Yeah, does not work with 2008
Jan 04 02:39:17 <skibur> I need to repartition my sd card
Jan 04 02:39:20 <Vulcanis> With the upped processor speed, RPGs would probably be playable
Jan 04 02:39:22 <luron> We'll get more emulators in 2008
Jan 04 02:39:26 <skibur> I had it in reverse order
Jan 04 02:41:55 <unique311> gpsp a vba emulator runs on the gp2x and zaurus at really nice speeds.
Jan 04 02:42:06 <unique311> got it to build for chinook..
Jan 04 02:42:24 <unique311> and it runs on the device, but i cann't find any games that will run.
Jan 04 02:42:24 <luron> nice!
Jan 04 02:42:36 <luron> hows that frontend you worked on for the gameboy?
Jan 04 02:42:52 <unique311> i think its bios problem or the roms.
Jan 04 02:42:58 <unique311> frontend is for gngeo.
Jan 04 02:43:38 <unique311> and i finally got the hang on the whole hildonization thing.  right now i'm removing stuff i don't think it people will need.
Jan 04 02:44:03 <thefool> how long does nokia take to do a repair usually?
Jan 04 02:44:10 <unique311> some of the menu options are really screwed.  i have to fix that.
Jan 04 02:44:34 <luron> unique311: wasn't Tak putting gngeo frontend into xmaeme?
Jan 04 02:44:43 <thefool> I feel like I am going to die without my tablet...no gps, no mp3 player, no remote for my music...
Jan 04 02:45:46 <unique311> gngeo can be run from xmaeme.
Jan 04 02:45:56 <|tbb|> gnite all
Jan 04 02:46:05 <jga23> I can't get gngeo to install
Jan 04 02:46:09 <jga23> I keep getting errors
Jan 04 02:46:11 <unique311> but the frontend i'm working on, has alot of the options in the config file availble
Jan 04 02:46:22 <unique311> whereas the xmaeme frontend don
Jan 04 02:46:24 <unique311> t
Jan 04 02:51:13 <jga23> gngeo should install on an n810 fine right?
Jan 04 02:59:11 <luron> ok ty unique311
Jan 04 02:59:20 <luron> jga23: dunno about os2008
Jan 04 02:59:25 <unique311> yes
Jan 04 02:59:33 <unique311> it does
Jan 04 02:59:45 <unique311> but you need to creata a directory
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