**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jan 04 02:59:56 2008
Jan 04 03:00:04 <unique311>  /media/mmc1/roms/neogeo
Jan 04 03:07:33 <unique311> jga23, check iTT for the neogeo thread.  There's a howto post.
Jan 04 03:07:53 <unique311> on page 2 or 3
Jan 04 03:10:55 <skibur> Now I got more space to install applications
Jan 04 03:28:43 <rm_you|n800> woo, open wireless  at a sushi restaurant in seattle :)
Jan 04 03:30:03 <rm_you|n800> hrm, wonder if i can do devwork from here
Jan 04 03:31:47 <rm_you|n800> this rocks... table has a power outlet
Jan 04 03:32:05 <rm_you|n800> i should just do my work here everybody
Jan 04 03:32:23 <rm_you|n800> s/everybody/every day/
Jan 04 03:32:24 <infobot> rm_you|n800 meant: i should just do my work here every day
Jan 04 03:33:14 <rm_you|n800> the autocomplete on this thing is  more annoying than helpful >_>
Jan 04 03:33:42 <Vulcanis> its even worse when it covers most of the spacebar
Jan 04 03:33:50 <Vulcanis> there needs to be an option to turn it off
Jan 04 03:34:12 <rm_you|n800> yeah
Jan 04 03:38:01 <shack008n> devwork on the n800? good luck :)
Jan 04 03:38:43 <rm_you|n800> lol
Jan 04 03:39:05 <rm_you|n800> i have a bluetooth keyboard :P
Jan 04 03:39:32 <shack008n> ah yeah, you're the cargo guy
Jan 04 03:39:49 <rm_you|n800> rofl
Jan 04 03:39:51 <rm_you|n800> shhhhh
Jan 04 03:40:02 <shack008n> why not just  bring the lapttop? if there's power..
Jan 04 03:40:18 <rm_you|n800> don't have  one
Jan 04 03:48:08 <andqso> I've got a program that will run using run-standalone.sh
Jan 04 03:48:20 <andqso> but when I try to launch it from the menu it says "loading" for a while
Jan 04 03:48:22 <andqso> and then gives up
Jan 04 03:48:58 <andqso> I'm pretty sure it's not the desktop
Jan 04 03:49:00 <andqso> file
Jan 04 03:49:08 <andqso> and I can't seem to figure out what's causing it
Jan 04 03:49:15 <andqso> I know this is not a lot of information
Jan 04 03:49:30 <andqso> but I would appreciate it if anyone has thoughts about what the issue might be
Jan 04 03:51:12 <shack008n> sigh, i'm mighty  hungry but too tired to get out of bed
Jan 04 03:52:37 <andqso> I've poked around at this for a while and I'm really not sure where to go
Jan 04 03:52:46 <andqso> I apologize if this is straightforward and I'm just being dense
Jan 04 03:56:05 <skibur> Wow
Jan 04 03:56:14 <shack008n> skib?
Jan 04 03:56:17 <skibur> Kde is nice on The N800 OS2008
Jan 04 03:56:27 <skibur> just finished
Jan 04 03:56:34 <skibur> going to play around with it
Jan 04 03:56:59 <shack008n> mm, don't know if this is a goid or a bad thing
Jan 04 03:59:34 <skibur> not sure
Jan 04 03:59:39 <skibur> I'm here to test
Jan 04 03:59:40 <skibur> :P
Jan 04 03:59:42 <skibur> laters
Jan 04 04:04:38 <andqso> @shack008n oops
Jan 04 04:04:41 <andqso> working now
Jan 04 04:05:19 <shack008n> what was the problem?
Jan 04 04:06:03 <andqso> it didn't like that I was specifiying X-Osso-Service and X-Osso-Type at the end of the desktop file
Jan 04 04:06:07 <andqso> or else I did it wrong
Jan 04 04:06:12 <andqso> either way, removing that bit fixed it
Jan 04 04:06:32 <oil> morning
Jan 04 04:08:36 <luron> i dunno about kde.  a lot of apps want too much vertical screen space
Jan 04 04:12:15 <dospod> hey
Jan 04 04:30:13 <talat> hi, i want to add new language layout my chinook on screen keyboard how can i do ?
Jan 04 04:34:58 <dospod> what keyboard layout?
Jan 04 04:35:59 <talat> turkish keyboard layout
Jan 04 04:36:57 <dospod> you gotta see if its available
Jan 04 04:37:45 <talat> not available i want to do this keyboard layout but i dont foundu how to change or how to make new keyboard layout
Jan 04 04:38:54 <dospod> ok u see where it says en on the onscreen keyboard?
Jan 04 04:39:16 <dospod> see if its listed
Jan 04 04:39:29 <dospod> if not ur out of luck
Jan 04 04:40:47 <talat> ok maemo not list turkish keyboard layout i want to create this
Jan 04 04:41:13 <dospod> can u code?
Jan 04 04:41:49 <talat> but i hope find a defination fie for keyboard layout for new keyboard layouts but i dont find it
Jan 04 04:41:53 <talat> yes i can
Jan 04 04:42:32 <talat> i try to translate my n800 english to turkish
Jan 04 04:42:49 <dospod> if so in the garage someone made a czech onscreen keyboard , i would check its source and use it to add turk support
Jan 04 04:43:03 <talat> hım
Jan 04 04:44:02 <dospod> and its good seeing someone willing to do turkish for maemo
Jan 04 04:44:24 <dospod> will help expand the  maemo scene
Jan 04 04:44:51 <talat> i dont find garage but i found this
Jan 04 04:44:59 <talat> http://www.upir.cz/maemo/keyboards/
Jan 04 04:45:11 <dospod> garage is the repo
Jan 04 04:45:37 <dospod> on the us site at least
Jan 04 04:45:51 <talat> can you give me link ?
Jan 04 04:46:19 <dospod> the page u found is good
Jan 04 04:46:26 <dospod> but yea ho;d on
Jan 04 04:46:48 <dospod> garage.maemo.org
Jan 04 04:47:10 <dospod> nothin special
Jan 04 04:47:41 <talat> ok search in
Jan 04 04:48:05 <talat> if i do tukish keyboard
Jan 04 04:48:26 <dospod> it will be appreciated by turks
Jan 04 04:48:26 <talat> how can i add default n800 firmware ?
Jan 04 04:48:31 <dospod> ;]
Jan 04 04:49:04 <dospod> personally idk but that page you linked looks extremely useful
Jan 04 04:49:27 <dospod> but im out time for bed i got school tommorow
Jan 04 04:49:50 <talat> ok thank you all of them :)
Jan 04 04:50:03 <dospod> good luck talat
Jan 04 04:50:26 <talat> god night dospod
Jan 04 05:02:32 <luron>  http://steve.yegge.googlepages.com/tour-de-babel   An experienced software engineer's insightful rant on programming languages
**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jan 04 05:20:12 2008
Jan 04 05:34:26 <darx> hi guys.. how can i improve the frame rate of videos?
Jan 04 05:35:04 <luron> i use mpeg4 at 400x240 and have no problems with fps
Jan 04 05:36:03 <darx_> any thoughts on how to improve video performance for n800?
Jan 04 05:36:18 <darx_> I tried mplayer.
Jan 04 05:36:45 <darx_> upgraded to the latest firmware as well
Jan 04 05:37:19 <luron> you give too little info
Jan 04 05:37:30 <luron> so you won't get help
Jan 04 05:40:23 <darx> luron: i'm on an n800 with the latest firmware. I'm using mplayer to play.  i cant watch full res videos; xvids (around 640*480) in 30 fps. what more info do you need?
Jan 04 05:40:35 <darx> ?;-(
Jan 04 05:43:35 <darx> luron: I'm a newbie ok? At least tell me what is it that you need so I can go find it out?
Jan 04 05:43:52 <darx> jeez you guys are elitists
Jan 04 05:43:54 <darx> :-(
Jan 04 05:46:28 <luron> yeah
Jan 04 05:46:40 <luron> sorry was in another chan
Jan 04 05:46:48 <darx> ok
Jan 04 05:47:06 <darx> sorry about the name calling :-P
Jan 04 05:47:07 <luron> anything high res you pretty much need to transcode to lower res
Jan 04 05:47:45 <luron> i only use mplayer because it's highest performing
Jan 04 05:47:59 <luron> xvid should be ok, but 400x240 is max res you'll get full fps on
Jan 04 05:48:13 <darx> ;-(
Jan 04 05:48:42 <darx> i was hoping to stream from the lan
Jan 04 05:48:57 <darx> how abt the n810? is it better?
Jan 04 05:49:07 <luron> what do you have, n800 or n770
Jan 04 05:49:14 <darx> n800
Jan 04 05:49:29 <luron> same hardware cpu/gfx performance as 810
Jan 04 05:49:44 <luron> it's basically a limitation caused by texas Instruments on the OMAP 2420 system on a chip
Jan 04 05:49:51 <luron> they did not design it for such high res screens
Jan 04 05:50:05 <luron> the OMAP 3430 will avoid these problems - N9x0 hopefully
Jan 04 05:50:31 <luron> for streaming from the lan i use experimental knots server
Jan 04 05:50:40 <luron> and client-- and use vlc to convert video on the fly
Jan 04 05:50:59 <luron> others have reported success with ogg
Jan 04 05:51:10 <darx> luron: cool.
Jan 04 05:51:25 <luron> s/ogg/orb
Jan 04 05:51:33 <luron> https://garage.maemo.org/projects/mediastreamer/  also some people are having fun with mediastreamer
Jan 04 05:52:00 <luron> right now the vlc + knots player is a little too problematic to recommend
Jan 04 05:52:23 <darx> :-( why is that?
Jan 04 05:53:04 <luron> the vlc conversion is a bit picky with formats and hard to find an ffmpeg package with good support
Jan 04 05:53:13 <luron> what is your server os - windows or *nix?
Jan 04 05:53:23 <darx> i've access to both.
Jan 04 05:53:37 <luron> do you want to convert videos and transfer them, or do streaming more?
Jan 04 05:53:53 <darx> streaming
Jan 04 05:54:36 <luron> ok i don't know what the best solution is right now
Jan 04 05:55:29 <darx> thanks for the info. I'll try google.
Jan 04 05:55:34 <darx> cheers
Jan 04 05:55:49 <luron> and internettablettalk.com forums darx
Jan 04 05:56:01 <darx> okies..
Jan 04 05:59:21 <solmumaha> luron: best bet is to compile vlc from around june by hand
Jan 04 06:00:58 <solmumaha> darx: you might want to try mediaserv
Jan 04 06:01:18 <darx> will do.
Jan 04 06:01:29 <darx> why do you think vlc is better?
Jan 04 06:01:59 <metatron> what am i doing here....
Jan 04 06:02:10 <darx> solmumaha: ^^
Jan 04 06:04:12 <solmumaha> darx: well vlc enables seeking of the transcoded stream
Jan 04 06:04:48 <darx> performance wise, is vlc better than mplayer?
Jan 04 06:05:01 <solmumaha> ah, vlc is not meant for playing, only streaming
Jan 04 06:05:41 <solmumaha> mplayer is faster, but the default player works fine with mediaserv
Jan 04 06:06:41 <solmumaha> haven't tested the vlc for the tablet, don't think it will match the speed of mplayer
Jan 04 06:49:50 <darx> flash stopped working on my n800 os 2008. any ideas?
Jan 04 06:50:11 <darx> also how can i reformat n800?
Jan 04 06:51:40 <luron> reformatting is called reflashing
Jan 04 06:52:53 <luron> dunno about flash problems, try powering off and on again
Jan 04 06:53:41 <darx> can i just update the firmware as usual to reflash?
Jan 04 06:53:43 <luron> darx: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux
Jan 04 06:55:07 <solmumaha> darx: the magnifying glass icon on browser -> components -> check flash is selected
Jan 04 06:55:44 <darx> solmumaha: too late, :-) already reflashing
Jan 04 06:56:45 <solmumaha> well in case it happens again
Jan 04 06:57:16 <solmumaha> i believe it disables flash if you're short on memory
Jan 04 06:58:29 <darx> ah
Jan 04 06:59:14 <darx> nice tip. a prompt would have been nice when disabling flash.
Jan 04 07:01:01 <darx> also is it possible to install mainstream distros like gentoo or ubuntu?
Jan 04 07:27:11 <Lurianic> is there acmonitor for os2008/does the old build work?
Jan 04 07:35:13 <hahlo> unmet depencies libhildonfm2 and libhildonmime0 E: broken packages
Jan 04 07:36:55 <hahlo> too old versions of those
Jan 04 07:37:57 <luron> i have no exp with os2008
Jan 04 07:38:10 <lardman|home> morning all
Jan 04 07:38:59 <hahlo> 1:1.9.49 should be and is .46 where and how i get newer of those?
Jan 04 07:49:47 <sparr> i am trying to use a usbnet+nat connection from my 770
Jan 04 07:50:01 <sparr> everything from a console works fine, but everything in the gui opens the damn wifi connection selector
Jan 04 07:50:03 <sparr> help?
Jan 04 07:50:49 <Lurianic> i assume the gui only handles the two devices
Jan 04 07:51:01 <sparr> :(
Jan 04 07:51:02 <X-Fade_> sparr: I think there was a dummy connection hack for that..
Jan 04 07:51:05 <sparr> thats weird
Jan 04 07:52:30 <sparr> aha
Jan 04 07:52:56 <X-Fade_> sparr: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/usbnetworking/
Jan 04 07:53:37 <X-Fade_> sparr: And this http://maemo.org/community/wiki/DummyIAP
Jan 04 07:54:28 <sparr> found it, thanks
Jan 04 07:54:30 <sparr> working fine now
Jan 04 08:01:13 <X-Fade_> So, did anyone order a N810 with discount code yet? :)
Jan 04 08:01:58 <msh_> X-Fade_: us store doesn't appear working at least.
Jan 04 08:02:47 <X-Fade_> msh_: I ordered mine via direct.nokia.com, worked for NL.
Jan 04 08:03:12 <skibur> hello
Jan 04 08:04:00 <lardman|home> X-Fade_: with the code?
Jan 04 08:04:09 <X-Fade_> lardman|home: Yep :)
Jan 04 08:04:22 <lardman|home> X-Fade_: I get redirected to shop.nokia.co.uk
Jan 04 08:04:22 <X-Fade_> http://direct.nokia.com/Product.aspx?model=N810
Jan 04 08:04:37 <X-Fade_> lardman|home: I guess you are out of luck then :(
Jan 04 08:05:05 <lardman|home> oh no, it's changed since I last tried, it goes straight through now
Jan 04 08:05:30 <unique311> can someone help me with this last problem i'm facing.
Jan 04 08:05:36 <unique311> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KN57-Vn0WpI
Jan 04 08:05:48 <unique311> i manage to build and hildon somewhat this app
Jan 04 08:06:08 <unique311> I need help removing the tab containing File Configuration and Rom Drivers.
Jan 04 08:06:29 <msh_> X-Fade_: huh, selecting US with that link goes to n800. oh well, shall wait.
Jan 04 08:06:29 <unique311> not removing.
Jan 04 08:06:43 <lardman|home> X-Fade_: product not found in the UK Nseries Online shop; have to wait a bit longer
Jan 04 08:07:19 <X-Fade_> Hmm even weirder, the link doesn't work for me in IE, but does in firefox :)
Jan 04 08:07:38 * lardman|home tried with Firefox
Jan 04 08:07:42 <msh_> mm. nokia's websites seem to be pretty special
Jan 04 08:08:10 <unique311> but adding it to hildon menubar
Jan 04 08:08:12 <X-Fade_> I get a nokia error page in IE :)
Jan 04 08:08:31 <X-Fade_> But I ordered my N810 on my N800 ;)
Jan 04 08:08:38 <vegai> hmm, I thought they were supposed to mail us when a device is available in a local shop
Jan 04 08:08:58 <X-Fade_> vegai: I guess not all shops are ready yet.
Jan 04 08:09:35 <X-Fade_> vegai: I just try that url every day and yesterday it started to work :)
Jan 04 08:09:44 <vegai> ah :) nifty.
Jan 04 08:10:20 <kulve> vegai: I didn't get any email from the nseries shop, even though I entered my mail there. And I ordered the device yesterday from the direct.nokia.com url. The nseries.com is still saying that the device is not available
Jan 04 08:10:40 <vegai> ok, so the mails might come in the near future then
Jan 04 08:10:43 <lardman|home> direct.nokia.com redirects me to the nseries shop now
Jan 04 08:10:45 <jga> is there an svn client for os2008?
Jan 04 08:11:24 <X-Fade_> It is really nice to see that you get a 360 euro discount ;)
Jan 04 08:11:51 <lardman|home> perhaps not a redirect, the url stays the same, but the words at the top certainly say "Nseries online shop"
Jan 04 08:13:52 <kulve> lardman|home: same here, but I managed to buy it even though nseries.com claims it's not available
Jan 04 08:14:36 <lardman|home> hmm
Jan 04 08:14:48 <talat> hi, what is the default font os 2008
Jan 04 08:14:49 <lardman|home> I see there's a phone number, I wonder if I could buy it over the phone with the code...?
Jan 04 08:14:55 <Cptnodegard> hmm, anyone know if this is n800 compatible?  http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.4860 ?   looks like it
Jan 04 08:16:58 <kulve> afaik, you cannot charge n800 with through the usb
Jan 04 08:17:05 <kulve> -through
Jan 04 08:17:14 <jga> for neogeo games, can I leave the file zipped or do I have to unzip it?
Jan 04 08:17:40 <Cptnodegard> you can if its not the USB on the device
Jan 04 08:18:02 <Cptnodegard> you cant shove USB power in the USB port, but you can shove it in the charge port :)
Jan 04 08:19:22 <kulve> Cptnodegard: ah, sorry, I read the thing too hasty..
Jan 04 08:20:08 <Cptnodegard> i think the plug itself will fit, thats the only real q... but its only 5 bucks anyways
Jan 04 08:20:57 <talat> what is the os 2008 font ?
Jan 04 08:21:09 <talat> is it DejaVu Sans
Jan 04 08:23:06 <sparr> havent used my 770 in weeks
Jan 04 08:23:13 <sparr> its gonna play navigator/atlas for a road trip this weekend
Jan 04 08:23:20 <sparr> glad i havent sold it yet
Jan 04 08:44:48 * keesj also ordered the n810 while living in the netherlands using the discount code
Jan 04 08:45:41 <X-Fade_> keesj: Let us hope they deliver on saturday ;)
Jan 04 08:53:05 <luron> anybody get a code activated in germany?
Jan 04 08:55:50 <skibur> how do you change the font?
Jan 04 09:06:48 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Jan 04 09:06:53 <Jaffa> Discount codes fully working then?
Jan 04 09:07:32 <Jaffa> Nope, mine for the UK doesn't.
Jan 04 09:08:20 <Cptnodegard> italian one doesnt either, from what i heard
Jan 04 09:08:25 <Cptnodegard> so no
Jan 04 09:08:32 <Cptnodegard> which is retarded by noka
Jan 04 09:09:38 <anders_> My swedish code worked (going to the swedish shop via http://direct.nokia.com/Product.aspx?model=N810)
Jan 04 09:21:26 <Jaffa> The UK has, since shortly after the launch of the N800, redirected to shop.nokia.co.uk rather than direct.nokia.com (I ordered my N800 from direct.nokia.com, but the N810 will have to come from shop....)
Jan 04 09:23:51 <alp> Jaffa: shop.nokia.co.uk didn't work for me this morning, "invalid code"
Jan 04 09:27:03 <hendry> Silly question: can I upgrade the firmware on a N800 to what's on a N810?
Jan 04 09:28:05 <luron> nice work unique311
Jan 04 09:28:46 <luron> hopefully someone who knows the way to get the tabs into the hildon menu
Jan 04 09:28:53 <luron> but i am starting to learn it too
Jan 04 09:29:34 <luron> Jaffa: german one (mine) not working either
Jan 04 09:29:50 <luron> hendry: basically yes - check wiki to flash os2008 onto n800
Jan 04 09:30:18 <Spacer> mm evince not available for os2008
Jan 04 09:32:31 <hahlo> Nokia-N800-44-4:~# apt-get install skype sayz: " skype: Depends: libhildonfm2 (>= 1:1.9.49) but 1:1.9.46 is to be installed, and Depends: libhildonmime0 (>= 1.10.1) but 1.10.0-1 is to be installed" No skype n800-os2008 then?
Jan 04 09:33:40 <red-zack> read the text
Jan 04 09:35:10 <hahlo> too old version of those libs
Jan 04 09:36:54 <hahlo> cause it sayz 'libhildonfm2 is already the newest version.'
Jan 04 09:39:06 <ustunozgur> is this not booting up issue common for n800? i see the nokia screen but after that it shuts down again.
Jan 04 09:41:05 <d^_^B> hi
Jan 04 09:41:08 <d^_^B> guys
Jan 04 09:41:15 <Khertan> Hi !
Jan 04 09:41:42 <d^_^B> :D
Jan 04 09:42:54 <timelyx> hahlo: skype doesn't support non latest
Jan 04 09:42:59 <timelyx> 44 is the beta,
Jan 04 09:43:05 <timelyx> you need 50 or whatever the official is
Jan 04 09:43:17 <hahlo> ah ok, thanks again
Jan 04 09:43:40 <timelyx> hendry: depends, you can upgrade both n800 and n810 to the same version
Jan 04 09:43:55 <timelyx> but you shouldn't try to install 42 on n800 (you'll be unhappy)
Jan 04 09:44:01 <d^_^B> :D
Jan 04 09:44:05 <d^_^B> cool
Jan 04 09:44:06 <timelyx> in fact, you shouldn't run 42 or 44 on anything :)
Jan 04 09:44:19 <timelyx> unless you happen to like being unhappy
Jan 04 09:45:42 <onion> yay, discount code worked for finland
Jan 04 09:53:20 <hendry> in macosx i get "Unsupported board (id = 0x0000)" while trying to flash my n800 with /flasher.macosx RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R
Jan 04 09:53:26 <msh_> hrm. anyone figured how to fix application manager always showing "operation failed" in scratchbox?
Jan 04 09:56:54 <Spacer> nice, you can use the sys interface to manually control keyboard led intensity...  echo 512 > /sys/class/leds/keyboard/brightness
Jan 04 09:59:14 <timelyx> hendry: google doesn't show any promising hits for osx/2008
Jan 04 10:09:06 * Jaffa has been told that it's worked to flash 2008 (through the command line and my GUI wrapper).
Jan 04 10:09:24 <Jaffa> But I've not got a Mac anymore so can't test, and have heard contradictory things about Intel macs
Jan 04 10:09:54 <luron> boo @ nokia.de
Jan 04 10:10:05 <hendry> i was missing the -F switch :>
Jan 04 10:16:08 <unique311> luron, hopefully.
Jan 04 10:16:55 <unique311> guess some more reading i can probably manage to get the toolbar menu in the hildonmenu .
Jan 04 10:17:21 <luron> yeah takes some time to figure out that stuff
Jan 04 10:17:34 <luron> and i'm not always motivated enough to do it
Jan 04 10:17:36 <unique311> but if I don't.  i'll release it how it is, and someone else can take over.
Jan 04 10:17:47 <luron> k
Jan 04 10:28:23 * msh_ ponders why maemo-mapper isn't showing anything (in scratchbox)...
Jan 04 10:32:19 <hahlo> I try to download that stable image 2008, last link but I have got twice this beta RX-34_2008SE_1.2007.44-4_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin
Jan 04 10:32:41 <hahlo> is there some other place to download
Jan 04 10:33:09 <mariorz> is there a gnupg port for maemo?
Jan 04 10:33:52 <hahlo> apparently this http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N800.php isn't right
Jan 04 10:34:27 <mariorz> could fwknop port for maemo be trivial?
Jan 04 10:34:45 <mariorz> specifically the client side
Jan 04 10:36:27 <tsavola> fwknop sounds like a profanity
Jan 04 10:37:16 <mariorz> like fwnop you tsavola ?
Jan 04 10:37:29 <mariorz> or fwknop you even
Jan 04 10:37:36 <tsavola> maybe
Jan 04 10:41:02 <hahlo> where i can download that stable image 50.something?
Jan 04 10:42:09 <tbf> how can i tell the media player to add a samba share to its playlist?
Jan 04 10:45:18 <fugitivo> hello
Jan 04 10:52:38 <hendry> ok RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, what maemo version is that? maemo 4.0 'chinook' repository ?
Jan 04 10:54:15 <kulve> 2008 = 4.0 SDK
Jan 04 10:54:22 <kulve> so, yes
Jan 04 10:58:10 <hendry> i just want to setup the repositries right, to have all the latest stuff (i want to develop)
Jan 04 10:58:20 <truls> anyone played with pygame stuff on the n800?
Jan 04 10:58:41 <truls> wondering how you would integrate stuff like that with hildon, or if you just fullscreened it
Jan 04 11:04:03 <hendry> hmm, it has power, though it seems to drop ssh clients from its ssh server after a minute
Jan 04 11:04:27 <d^_^B> :D COOL
Jan 04 11:04:48 <d^_^B> is there anyone from UAE?
Jan 04 11:07:08 <d^_^B> huh?
Jan 04 11:08:42 <|tbb|> will this usb-networking guide work for os2008 -> http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_simpletoggles/ and/or  there a deb out there which do that usb-networking from gui
Jan 04 11:21:51 <lardman> hmm, code's still not working in the uk :(
Jan 04 11:22:01 <d^_^B> ?
Jan 04 11:31:36 * EY is shopping for a new phone... Any advice?
Jan 04 11:33:37 <hahlo> EY: depens what you want from phone but gnokii didn't work too well with s60 3rd edition
Jan 04 11:35:04 <lardman> Anyone fancy some code debugging? ;)
Jan 04 11:35:48 <lardman> here's the code: http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/dsp/vorbisdec/Tremor-threaded/framing.c
Jan 04 11:35:56 <EY> hahlo: 3G, Bluetooth, and lightweight. That's about all I want.
Jan 04 11:36:37 <lardman> here's the explanation of the code: http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/dsp/vorbisdec/Tremor-threaded/explanation.txt
Jan 04 11:37:07 <hahlo> EY: do you plan to use it with internet tablet?
Jan 04 11:37:16 <EY> Yes.
Jan 04 11:38:15 <hahlo> at least it doesn't accept windows mobile as a gateway
Jan 04 11:38:32 <EY> So a battery that lasts as long as the N800's is essential.
Jan 04 11:38:48 <truls> do you have phones that last less than the n800?
Jan 04 11:39:10 <EY> truls: true :-)
Jan 04 11:40:25 <hahlo> here in rubberbootland one operator bundle n800 with 6120 it should work only gnokii might not
Jan 04 11:40:31 <Spacer> i got a new n810, and its battery life is impressive. Specs say 4hours with continuous use, but after 6h its still going strong
Jan 04 11:41:14 <fugitivo> Spacer: connected to a wifi spot?
Jan 04 11:41:21 <Spacer> yes
Jan 04 11:41:24 <fugitivo> nice
Jan 04 11:41:34 <glass> no phone out there will work as 3g bt modem that long
Jan 04 11:41:35 <Spacer> indeed, im pleasantly surprised
Jan 04 11:41:39 <EY> My N800 has been playing an Internet radio for the past 3 hours.
Jan 04 11:41:41 <|tbb|> install battery-status to see how many percent the battery is, the indicator on the applet lies sometimes
Jan 04 11:41:46 <EY> last* 3 hours
Jan 04 11:42:02 <fugitivo> my 770 dies in 30 min :)
Jan 04 11:42:08 <EY> looks like the screen is what drains the battery
Jan 04 11:42:11 <hahlo> wifi takes more than bt to 3g phone?
Jan 04 11:42:27 <Spacer> 30min? how so?
Jan 04 11:42:52 <lardman> depends whether you're sending data the whole time and how hard the processor's working too
Jan 04 11:42:58 <EY> hahlo: I suppose there would be 2 transmissions: one to the BT device, and another to the cell.
Jan 04 11:43:10 <Spacer> im working on a new mapper, which will be quite cpu intensive, i hope it will be battery friendly
Jan 04 11:43:13 <lardman> I can sit my N800 on wifi and ssh in for a few hours and it doens't do much to the battery
Jan 04 11:43:54 <lardman> Spacer: what will your new mapper do?
Jan 04 11:43:54 <hahlo> ok.
Jan 04 11:44:22 <Spacer> right now its just downloading png's from openstreetmap. I'm working on making it render "real life" using raw osm data
Jan 04 11:44:41 <lardman> can't maemo mapper do that already?
Jan 04 11:44:48 <Spacer> heh. no ;)
Jan 04 11:44:54 <lardman> osm?
Jan 04 11:45:10 <Spacer> well its the xml formatted gps data containing all the roads and points of interest
Jan 04 11:45:27 <lardman> ah, I see, and the meta data too, such as road speeds?
Jan 04 11:46:05 <Spacer> i condensed the current database containing europe down to a dbase of ~800mb in size. This is all that is needed to draw beautifull maps down to any level
Jan 04 11:46:35 <Spacer> yes thats all in there
Jan 04 11:46:40 <Spacer> in the osm file anyway
Jan 04 11:46:43 <lardman> you could also do on-demand downloading of parts of the database
Jan 04 11:46:55 <EY> IS the 6300 any good?
Jan 04 11:47:12 <glass> it's ok
Jan 04 11:47:21 <glass> most s40's are the same
Jan 04 11:47:23 <Spacer> eventually ;) Right now i first need to finish the dbase format so it can be used on maemo, and then write a lib to actually render
Jan 04 11:47:45 <lardman> sounds interesting
Jan 04 11:47:57 <lardman> I want to look at routing
Jan 04 11:48:00 <EY> ah, ok.
Jan 04 11:48:21 <glass> EY: if you intend to compare nokias phones then their dev pages come handy.. http://www.forum.nokia.com/devices/6300
Jan 04 11:48:38 <Spacer> lardman routing is possible then
Jan 04 11:49:13 <EY> glass: Thanks.
Jan 04 11:49:26 <lardman> Spacer: have you seen Navit? http://www.navit-project.org/
Jan 04 11:51:10 <Spacer> yes, its a nice. What I had in mind is slightly different though, using agg (like mapnik) to do the drawing so we get nice antialiased graphics
Jan 04 11:51:24 <Spacer> and integrate it in mapper
Jan 04 11:52:36 <lardman> how well will that work without hw accel?
Jan 04 11:52:57 <hahlo> apparently that nokia_N800.php doesn't direct wrong image it just disconnects downloading too early
Jan 04 11:53:14 <lardman> Spacer: depends how fast you want to update I suppose
Jan 04 11:53:33 <Spacer> my main focus is just 2d graphics, not yet 3d
Jan 04 11:53:49 <Spacer> the advantage is you dont have to updte in real time
Jan 04 11:54:03 <hahlo> firefox saves file as nokia_N800.php and it is 135M data
Jan 04 11:55:21 <fugitivo> does SIP work in os2007 HE?
Jan 04 11:58:34 <kulve> fugitivo: I think the SIP support came with the 2008, so it's not in the 2007HE
Jan 04 12:03:07 <fugitivo> god, i want my discount codeeee
Jan 04 12:03:36 <Spacer> how much of a discount?
Jan 04 12:03:52 <X-Fade_> Spacer: I got 360 euro ;)
Jan 04 12:04:25 <Spacer> nice
Jan 04 12:04:57 <Spacer> could by some extra sd space for it... which I did but turned out no micro->mini adapter included :(
Jan 04 12:05:35 <X-Fade_> Yeah, need to find a micro->mini adapter too.
Jan 04 12:05:49 <fugitivo> i think it's 99 euro
Jan 04 12:06:14 <X-Fade_> fugitivo: Yep, 99 euro ex. shipping.
Jan 04 12:06:30 <fugitivo> how much will it be for usa?
Jan 04 12:06:33 <fugitivo> 99 dolars?
Jan 04 12:06:41 <X-Fade_> 149 orso..
Jan 04 12:07:10 <X-Fade_> The equivalent of 99 euro in dollars..
Jan 04 12:08:23 <lardman> derf: how does one check compliance of a vorbis encoder? Is there code available to check that an ogg vorbis file is structured correctly or does one just decode it and see if there are errors?
Jan 04 12:14:10 <hahlo> from windows with software updater i seem to get latest stable image
Jan 04 12:26:03 <Spacer> someone here with a n810 in reach?
Jan 04 12:28:26 <hendry> has anyone setup a amd64 maemo scratchbox development enviroment under debian sid?
Jan 04 12:28:44 <Spacer> sort of ;P
Jan 04 12:28:57 <Spacer> i set it up on gentoo/amd64
Jan 04 12:30:20 <Spacer> anyway scratchbox and maemo run just fine on amd64
Jan 04 12:30:52 <hendry> i guess i need to do it by hand as maemo-scratchbox script is i386 only by the looks of things
Jan 04 12:31:11 <Spacer> ooh thats easily fixed with fooling uname
Jan 04 12:31:44 <hendry> hmm, i think i'll try install it vmware 32bit
Jan 04 12:31:50 <Spacer> its a mystery to me why they try to exclude x86_64 that way since it works just fine
Jan 04 12:33:01 <Spacer> well you can also install setarch... seems a bit roundabout to use vmware
Jan 04 12:34:24 <luron> no code on nokia.de here yet
Jan 04 12:36:41 <hendry> Spacer: I've got vmware ready to rock and roll here.
Jan 04 12:37:07 <Spacer> hendry, are you going to be development work?
Jan 04 12:37:14 <luron> ahh only shops with http://direct.nokia.com/Product.aspx?model=N810  work
Jan 04 12:37:14 <Spacer> *doing*
Jan 04 12:37:38 <hendry> Spacer: getting into it
Jan 04 12:37:52 <Spacer> which kind of applications?
Jan 04 12:37:52 <hendry> Spacer: I want to compile a plugin for the microb browser
Jan 04 12:38:05 <Spacer> ah isee
Jan 04 12:38:09 <hendry> so I guess I need to compile in a scratchbox in debian, and then transfer the binary across?
Jan 04 12:38:11 <Spacer> someone here with a n810 in reach?
Jan 04 12:38:26 <Spacer> you want to compile an existing plugin?
Jan 04 12:38:44 <hendry> Spacer: yes
Jan 04 12:39:05 <hendry> gcc says it's installed on my n800, gcc cannot be found
Jan 04 12:39:05 <Spacer> well you login to scratchbox, set the armel target, and simply do the ./configure && make stuff
Jan 04 12:39:15 <d^_^B>  is there anyone from UAE?
Jan 04 12:39:29 <luron> not advisable to do development on the n800
Jan 04 12:39:46 <Spacer> yeah, also no need to actually compile things on it
Jan 04 12:39:58 <luron> from the middle east, or the amiga emulator d^_^B
Jan 04 12:40:07 <hendry> Spacer: ok, i'm waiting for the scratchbox-devkit to be setup and then we'll see
Jan 04 12:40:15 <Spacer> good luck hendry ^^
Jan 04 12:40:31 <hendry> the scripts and all these seperate files is a bit of a nuisance. isn't there a nice qemu/vmware image?
Jan 04 12:40:37 <hendry> Spacer: heh, thanks =)
Jan 04 12:40:37 <doc|home> woohoo, 8gig sd card just arrived :D
Jan 04 12:40:45 <d^_^B> from the middle east
Jan 04 12:40:45 <d^_^B> :)
Jan 04 12:41:23 <d^_^B> YEA DUBAI CITY!
Jan 04 12:41:41 <d^_^B> doc|home
Jan 04 12:41:45 <d^_^B> doc|home
Jan 04 12:41:52 <glass> i thought uae meant the amiga emu..
Jan 04 12:41:59 <d^_^B> which one u have n800 or n810?
Jan 04 12:42:05 <X-Fade_> Lol, the sources for OS2008 just got published. Guess which package is missing :)
Jan 04 12:42:08 <d^_^B> hehe no dude
Jan 04 12:42:17 <Spacer> X-Fade_, where?
Jan 04 12:42:34 <X-Fade_> http://repository.maemo.org/pool/os2008/free/
Jan 04 12:42:47 <Spacer> aah right... i inspected the osso pdf reader, turns out to be just a small wrapper for xpdf
Jan 04 12:44:06 <Spacer> would be nice to create a small lib that lets you control the top led, keyboard and lcd brightness, or configure powersave profiles
Jan 04 12:45:26 <luron> i'm thinking that the tablets should symlink /var/cache/apt/archives to a tempdir on the mmc / sd card
Jan 04 12:47:11 <luron> doc|home: has a N800, d^_^B
Jan 04 12:47:56 <luron> Spacer, the screen dimming at least is configured in gconf
Jan 04 12:48:01 <hendry> Spacer: the install script b0rked because network-manager is not installed on my machine
Jan 04 12:48:17 <luron> and afaik the actual power states are handled with dbus
Jan 04 12:48:33 <Spacer> yeah thats quite likely
Jan 04 12:49:18 <Spacer> hendry, i have null knowledge of vmware stuff... like I said before, i used setarch x86 and ran the automated install scripts
Jan 04 12:49:25 <|tbb|> X-Fade: cx3111x for example?
Jan 04 12:49:51 <Spacer> cx3111x source is available.. the firmware is not ;)
Jan 04 12:49:51 <X-Fade_> |tbb|: Kernel ;)
Jan 04 12:49:59 <Spacer> kernel is included
Jan 04 12:50:04 <Spacer> look more closely
Jan 04 12:50:24 <Spacer> kernel-source-rx-34_2.6.21.0.orig.tar.gz
Jan 04 12:50:25 <X-Fade_> Spacer: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/os2008/free/k/kernel-source-rx-34/ ?
Jan 04 12:50:36 <Spacer> cx3110x-module-src_2.0.14-2.tar.gz
Jan 04 12:50:38 <Spacer> and some other things, yes
Jan 04 12:51:36 <X-Fade_> Ah: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/os2008/free/source/k/kernel-source-rx-34/ ;)
Jan 04 12:51:44 <X-Fade_> Missed the source part ;) lol
Jan 04 12:52:16 <|tbb|> cx3110x-module-src_2.0.14-2.tar.gz is that source ready to patch for injection ;)
Jan 04 12:52:47 <X-Fade_> |tbb|: I guess you need to add injection in the blob, so good luck..
Jan 04 12:57:07 <Spacer> |tbb| yeah
Jan 04 12:57:18 <Spacer> the patch is no big deal
Jan 04 12:57:37 <Spacer> planning to do some wardriving, are we?
Jan 04 12:58:13 <|tbb|> i cant patch it, hope dragorn can do it
Jan 04 12:58:27 <Spacer> i can do it for you as well
Jan 04 12:59:23 <|tbb|> there where a lot of ppl which are thankfully for that
Jan 04 12:59:57 <Spacer> i will have a look when i get back, have to go to work in a few min
Jan 04 13:15:15 <unverbraucht> i just compiled a new kernel from todays linux-omap tree
Jan 04 13:15:39 <unverbraucht> at first it was missing the mipid lcd driver and the boot process output garbled lcd out
Jan 04 13:16:08 <unverbraucht> now the lcd ouput stays at the nokia screen like it should, but it just turns itself off after about 40 seconds instead of continuing to boot
Jan 04 13:16:49 <X-Fade_> unverbraucht: Probably because the files in your initfs don't match the version of the kernel.
Jan 04 13:17:11 <unverbraucht> so i have to flash that too? up to now i was just testing in-ram
Jan 04 13:17:27 <unverbraucht> i'm wary of flashing it ;)
Jan 04 13:17:31 <X-Fade_> unverbraucht: I think there are checks.
Jan 04 13:17:41 <unverbraucht> ah, ok
Jan 04 13:17:47 <X-Fade_> And binary driver blobs that aren't compatible..
Jan 04 13:18:05 <unverbraucht> so i'll try to pile my modules into the initrd and see what happens
Jan 04 13:18:13 <unverbraucht> are there any other blobs apart from the wifi driver?
Jan 04 13:18:40 <unverbraucht> because thats what i wanted to attack with the new p54 driver to be released in 2.6.24
Jan 04 13:18:56 <X-Fade_> I guess the wifi driver and the dsme stuff.
Jan 04 13:20:02 <unverbraucht> ouch, i didn't think of dsme :(
Jan 04 13:20:42 <X-Fade_> Maybe you can try to backport that driver to the current kernel version?
Jan 04 13:21:10 <unverbraucht> you mean the wifi driver?
Jan 04 13:21:23 <unverbraucht> intel ported mac80211 to 2.6.18
Jan 04 13:21:39 <unverbraucht> but 2.6.16 isn't quite there yet
Jan 04 13:22:16 <X-Fade_> unverbraucht: 2008 uses 2.6.21
Jan 04 13:23:41 <unverbraucht> makes me wish i had a 800/810 :)
Jan 04 13:23:58 <unverbraucht> did anybody try booting it on a 770 yet?
Jan 04 13:24:14 <ustunozgur> on gronmayer.com when install all repositories is chosen the Austinche repository is not installed properly so it gives the error  "unable to refresh application list"
Jan 04 13:24:57 <rtp> unverbraucht: which kernel ? the one from the omap tree or the one from theos 2008 package ?
Jan 04 13:25:31 <unverbraucht> rtp: i tried fresh omap tree
Jan 04 13:26:01 <unverbraucht> is theos 2008 an os2008 implementation for 770?
Jan 04 13:26:30 <rtp> unverbraucht: I didn't tried fresh omap tree but I can already say that the mmc support is broken
Jan 04 13:27:13 <unverbraucht> ah
Jan 04 13:27:21 <unverbraucht> but did you manage to boot into x?
Jan 04 13:27:40 <unverbraucht> i was trying to boot from flash so missing mmc should be non-critical
Jan 04 13:27:53 <rtp> no. I only tried to rebuild the 2.6.21 from os2008
Jan 04 13:28:08 <rtp> but the mmc bug is in both kernels
Jan 04 13:29:17 <unverbraucht> thats sad
Jan 04 13:30:03 <unverbraucht> so can i continue at all without dsme? it appears that thats whats turning the power off
Jan 04 13:30:50 <rtp> dsme should still be working imho
Jan 04 13:32:02 <rtp> try disabling CONFIG_FB_OMAP_MANUAL_UPDATE and configure the fb console. That'll gives you boot messages and a hint about what's wrong
Jan 04 13:33:03 <derf> lardman: ogginfo or oggzinfo can at least check that it has been muxed correctly, but I don't think there's much to check the validity of the Vorbis packets themselves.
Jan 04 13:33:18 <derf> Though vorbose might be able to do that.
Jan 04 13:33:47 <unverbraucht> rtp: thanks, thats ideal
Jan 04 13:34:49 <rtp> unverbraucht: btw, I've also a patch for the mmc issue if you want :)
Jan 04 13:35:37 <unverbraucht> rtp: sure, i have holidays till monday and time to tinker :)
Jan 04 13:39:06 <unverbraucht> i wonder why sometimes the kernel recompiles everything and sometimes it only compiles a few files after config change
Jan 04 13:41:09 <Tak> depends whether the chicken has indigestion
Jan 04 13:42:16 <unverbraucht> *g
Jan 04 13:44:48 <unverbraucht> oh crud
Jan 04 13:45:02 <unverbraucht> now that i see the console i see tons of jffs2_get_inode crc failed errors
Jan 04 13:45:23 <unverbraucht> but it also says vfs: mounted root (jffs2 filesystem)
Jan 04 13:45:31 <unverbraucht> so i guess the partition table is ok?
Jan 04 13:47:33 <rtp> unverbraucht: you've better to use a mmc. iirc, Nokia has patches for the jffs2 fs in their kernel
Jan 04 13:47:52 <unverbraucht> ok
Jan 04 13:48:05 <unverbraucht> so my flash isn't foobar? thats good :)
Jan 04 13:48:23 <unverbraucht> so hacking will have to wait till i get my hands on a mmc thats bigger than 64mb
Jan 04 13:49:52 <doc|home> is there any way to get tablet_encode to index files when it encodes?
Jan 04 13:54:36 <truls> doc|home: index how?
Jan 04 13:55:25 <doc|home> truls: some encoded movies can't skip forward or backward when you play them using mplayer because of a lack of indexing apparently
Jan 04 13:55:53 <truls> so use -idx
Jan 04 13:55:57 <doc|home> but there's a parameter you can pass to mplayer to index it when it starts playing, it takes a while however and requires command line use of mplayer
Jan 04 13:56:11 <doc|home> truls: yeah, but if I could have it index in the first place it'd be much better
Jan 04 13:56:18 <truls> it should index by itself
Jan 04 13:56:27 <doc|home> seemingly not
Jan 04 13:56:37 <truls> then it seems your files aren't complete
Jan 04 13:57:00 <doc|home> if that was the case then why would -idx work?
Jan 04 13:57:12 <truls> because it goes through the file and makes an index
Jan 04 13:57:25 <doc|home> right, which is what I want to have it do as it encodes
Jan 04 13:57:25 <truls> for the part of the file it has
Jan 04 13:57:40 * truls gives up
Jan 04 13:57:55 <doc|home> there's no error when it encodes
Jan 04 13:58:13 <|tbb|> how to add ctrl+r search for given commands to osso-xterm?
Jan 04 13:59:08 <keesj> use bash?
Jan 04 14:01:07 <luron> woohoo Baldurs Gate 4 in 1 dvd set arrived, and so did Jagged Alliance 2
Jan 04 14:01:14 <luron> game engine goodness...
Jan 04 14:06:36 <|tbb|> keesj: is it possible to install bash on os2008
Jan 04 14:11:21 <keesj>  apt-cache policy bash
Jan 04 14:11:42 <keesj> http://repository.maemo.org bora/free Packages ( not tested of course)
Jan 04 14:18:45 <unverbraucht> anybody have a copy of initfs_flasher.tgz? fanoushs homepage seems to be down...
Jan 04 14:22:10 <luron> i had it but slocate not finding
Jan 04 14:23:29 <fugitivo> YES@!
Jan 04 14:23:32 <fugitivo> "The discount codes of the N810 maemo contributors program are going to be valid from today onwards in the supported Nokia shops."
Jan 04 14:24:26 <fugitivo> damn, USA is not in the list
Jan 04 14:24:47 <Tak> Smackdown!
Jan 04 14:25:26 <tsavola> fugitivo: where did you read that?
Jan 04 14:25:45 <nomis> tsavola: its a mail that got sent to the code-owners
Jan 04 14:25:46 <X-Fade_> tsavola: We just got a mail with those instructions..
Jan 04 14:25:54 <fugitivo> why USA is not in the list?
Jan 04 14:25:55 <tsavola> didn't get one yet
Jan 04 14:26:25 <Tak> The USA store is probably out of stock.
Jan 04 14:27:08 <fugitivo> there's no information regarding USA in the mail
Jan 04 14:27:14 <fugitivo> Canadian contributors will receive further information next week.
Jan 04 14:27:17 <fugitivo> what about USA?
Jan 04 14:27:41 <Tak> You will die, and your country will be taken over by China.
Jan 04 14:27:55 <fugitivo> what country?
Jan 04 14:28:07 * Tak blinks
Jan 04 14:28:34 <tsavola> USA has several countries, maybe Iraq?
Jan 04 14:29:20 <tsavola> wasn't funny? :(
Jan 04 14:29:38 * tsavola gets his goat
Jan 04 14:29:49 <onion> tsavola: for non-US people perhaps :)
Jan 04 14:30:34 <nomis> tsavola: I found it funny. I was just about to suggest scandinavia, because thats where the trolls come from   :)
Jan 04 14:30:55 <fugitivo> i'm not from USA, i'll buy the tablet from there :)
Jan 04 14:31:31 <tsavola> the country of Scandinavia?-)
Jan 04 14:32:04 <tsavola> USS - United States of Scandinavia
Jan 04 14:32:05 <Tak> pff, everybody knows Scandinavia's only a city-state
Jan 04 14:32:25 <tsavola> where polar bears reign
Jan 04 14:32:39 <tsavola> http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/12/071228-finwarming-video-ap.html
Jan 04 14:33:16 <Tak> damn, I guess national geographic is smarter than I am: "Shorter winters and shrinking ice caps are threatening the Scandinavian country's birds and mammals, including polar bears."
Jan 04 14:33:51 <onion> tsavola: poor polar bears
Jan 04 14:34:17 <Jaffa> Bah, UK still doesn't work
Jan 04 14:34:33 <Andy80> hi all )
Jan 04 14:34:34 <Andy80> :)
Jan 04 14:34:40 <Tak> finntroll, korpiklaani, and wintersun should do a joint tour to save the scandinavian polar bears
Jan 04 14:34:40 <nomis> Jaffa: neither does germany.
Jan 04 14:34:42 <Andy80> just ordered the N810 from Italy :D
Jan 04 14:35:14 <ajturner> erm, no US shops for N810?
Jan 04 14:35:43 <fugitivo> ajturner: no US in the email
Jan 04 14:35:51 <ajturner> that's... surprising
Jan 04 14:35:54 <fugitivo> the site shows "out of stock"
Jan 04 14:36:12 <fugitivo> but the email doesn't says anything about USA
Jan 04 14:36:49 <ajturner> I would assume there are "several" devs in the US ;)
Jan 04 14:38:47 <ajturner> there isn't even a spot to put in discount codes
Jan 04 14:38:48 <ajturner> <sigh>
Jan 04 14:40:27 <fugitivo> i hate murphy
Jan 04 14:40:28 <Tak> ajturner: we've been thwarted by the polar bears
Jan 04 14:40:52 <ajturner> Polar Bears? I thought I took care of them in the last World Artic Battle Extreme++
Jan 04 14:42:06 <Andy80> L0cutus: corri a ordinare il tablet :P
Jan 04 14:42:42 <qos> hey guys ...
Jan 04 14:42:58 <qos> any german n810 discount code users out here ;)
Jan 04 14:43:01 <qos> ?
Jan 04 14:43:23 <nomis> qos: here. We tried some minutes ago, does not yet seem to work though.
Jan 04 14:43:50 <nomis> qos: (also be aware that the code probably has changed, it now is the one listed at the end of the mail from today?
Jan 04 14:43:53 <nomis> .
Jan 04 14:44:11 <qos> nomis, do you also enter it at: "Aktions- und Gutscheincode hier eingeben:" ?
Jan 04 14:44:35 <qos> nomis, i tried both several times ...
Jan 04 14:45:13 <DeLe0n> mmm any from US with discount code?
Jan 04 14:46:15 <nomis> qos: yeah. As they wrote in the mail, we might have to wait till tomorrow.
Jan 04 14:46:20 <Jaffa> Indeed
Jan 04 14:46:34 <L0cutus> Andy80,  ?
Jan 04 14:47:00 <Andy80> L0cutus: uhm... don't you speak italian?
Jan 04 14:47:06 <L0cutus> sisi :)
Jan 04 14:47:12 <Andy80> ahhh :)
Jan 04 14:47:32 <L0cutus> what you mean ?
Jan 04 14:47:34 <Andy80> L0cutus: codes are working in IT :)
Jan 04 14:47:40 <Andy80> discount codes...
Jan 04 14:47:51 <L0cutus> i haven't received a code...
Jan 04 14:47:56 <L0cutus> (unfortunately...)
Jan 04 14:48:01 <Andy80> ah :(
Jan 04 14:49:03 <qos> nomis, where did they wrote that we have to wait until tomorrow?
Jan 04 14:49:08 <L0cutus> but i feel good with my pretty new n800 :)
Jan 04 14:50:02 <L0cutus> what i need now is rdiff-backup or dirvish :)
Jan 04 14:51:16 <Cord> qos: in the mail that just came in.
Jan 04 14:52:13 <Cord> and i really got a new discount code.
Jan 04 14:52:18 <nomis> qos: "are going to be valid
Jan 04 14:52:20 <nomis> from today onwards"
Jan 04 14:52:26 <nomis> qos: which means, that they are not yet.
Jan 04 14:52:36 <qos> nomis, ohh that means it :)
Jan 04 14:54:18 <qos> does anyone here wants to test a package? it a theme for the build-in chat application ...
Jan 04 14:57:37 <wnd> "from that day/time on(wards) LITERARY: starting at that time and then continuing" (cambridge dictionary)
Jan 04 15:00:28 * hahlo finally got stable os2008 in Linux Nokia-N800-50-2 2.6.21-omap1
Jan 04 15:00:57 <penguinbait> hello?
Jan 04 15:01:11 <penguinbait> anyone know where USA discounts codes are?
Jan 04 15:01:16 <hahlo> that far, weeks i played with beta and complaint that nothing works
Jan 04 15:01:23 <penguinbait> fudge muckers!!!!
Jan 04 15:02:05 <jpuderer> fanoush.wz.cz seems to be down.  Anyone know what happened?
Jan 04 15:02:31 <hahlo> who needs discount at these prices euro is high and dollar low
Jan 04 15:03:03 <X-Fade_> hahlo: I doubt that you can import a N810 for 99eur ;)
Jan 04 15:03:30 <hahlo> is it that cheap?
Jan 04 15:04:07 <wnd> the funny thing is that the order tracking page has my phone number as street address...
Jan 04 15:04:18 <hahlo> I payed 259e for n800 and thought it was cheap
Jan 04 15:05:07 <X-Fade_> hahlo: This price is only for the 500 people selected for the developer device program.
Jan 04 15:05:19 <hahlo> cool
Jan 04 15:05:55 <ptman> it's 99e + shipping, in my case 122.06e
Jan 04 15:06:15 <X-Fade_> ptman: Hehe, could not wait another day, could you :)
Jan 04 15:06:22 <Sho_> The German codes don't seem to work yet
Jan 04 15:06:22 <hahlo> still very low price
Jan 04 15:06:35 <wnd> ptman, if you go check the order tracking page, is your delivery address correct?
Jan 04 15:06:43 <Cord> Sho_: ack.
Jan 04 15:06:46 <ptman> X-Fade_: why should I? I think I've waited enough
Jan 04 15:06:55 <Sho_> ptman: 23€ shipping? Ouch, hefty. Well, still a bargain of course.
Jan 04 15:07:19 <X-Fade_> Sho_: That is express shipping. Regular is about 11 euro..
Jan 04 15:07:22 <ptman> I haven't received a order tracking link
Jan 04 15:07:28 <Sho_> ah
Jan 04 15:07:38 <Sho_> I'll go with regular, waiting a little longer won't be the end :)
Jan 04 15:07:43 <X-Fade_> ptman: Me neither. And I ordered yesterday ;)
Jan 04 15:07:46 <wnd> ptman, order number is on the order confirmation page
Jan 04 15:07:47 <ptman> X-Fade_: no, I took regular
Jan 04 15:08:02 <ptman> wnd: yes, I've got the order number
Jan 04 15:08:05 <Sho_> ptman: 23€ for an in-country shipping, or is the package skipping borders?
Jan 04 15:08:10 <X-Fade_> ptman: Hmm I had to pay 11 euro for it..
Jan 04 15:08:18 <ptman> it's coming from belgium or something
Jan 04 15:08:19 <wnd> order confirmation page also has a link to order tracking thing
Jan 04 15:08:29 <wnd> http://direct.nokia.com/orderTracking.aspx
Jan 04 15:09:47 <X-Fade_> wnd: Ah yes, now I see my UPS tracking number ;)
Jan 04 15:09:47 <ptman> wnd: no, actually it's showing my phone number as my address
Jan 04 15:10:06 <ptman> wnd: but thanks for the link
Jan 04 15:10:15 <X-Fade_> ptman: Indeed, it does show my telephone as address :)
Jan 04 15:10:31 <ptman> bummer, are we in for another wait
Jan 04 15:10:50 <wnd> glad to hear I'm not the only one. the page must be buggy, the confirmation email has also the address correct.
Jan 04 15:10:52 <mat|work> my code allows me to get a N810 for 0 euros... kinda cool :]
Jan 04 15:11:10 <Sho_> X-Fade_, ptman: Do you remember from ordering whether the shop software expects the credit card owner to be the discount recipient or the name on the billing/shipping address, or if there's a separate field?
Jan 04 15:11:25 <X-Fade_> Sho_: I clicked that it was the same..
Jan 04 15:11:42 <Sho_> ah, so I suppose you can also click that it isn't
Jan 04 15:11:58 <X-Fade_> Sho_: But both my billing and shipping and delivery address is my phone number now ;)
Jan 04 15:12:31 <Sho_> hm :)
Jan 04 15:13:03 <X-Fade_> Sho_: I am sure that after a few days I will see in UPS tracking that is has been returned to sender..
Jan 04 15:13:15 <X-Fade_> Sho_: Just my luck :)
Jan 04 15:13:22 <Sho_> :/
Jan 04 15:13:23 <wnd> always the optimist
Jan 04 15:13:37 <Sho_> pessimists get disappointed less, I suppose ;)
Jan 04 15:13:38 <penguinbait> where is USA store, they are killing me :(
Jan 04 15:13:43 <penguinbait> no news at all?
Jan 04 15:13:46 <X-Fade_> wnd: I have had that happen with direct nokia and ups before ;)
Jan 04 15:14:01 <Sho_> penguinbait: The mail we got only had something about Canada as far as NA is concerned
Jan 04 15:14:15 <penguinbait> I got the same mail
Jan 04 15:14:24 <ptman> everyone tells me I'm a pessimist, I think of myself as an realist and in the end I turn out to be an optimist
Jan 04 15:14:25 <penguinbait> whole lot a good it does me?
Jan 04 15:14:58 <derf> I've pretty much resigned myself to not getting the device before I leave for LCA at this point.
Jan 04 15:16:11 <luron> are code recipients limited to the store they specified?
Jan 04 15:16:21 <penguinbait> not sure?
Jan 04 15:16:37 <luron> i can't remember if i specified nokia.de or some other strangeness - can't see it in my maemo profile
Jan 04 15:16:37 <penguinbait> I thought that was the original statement, but dont know
Jan 04 15:17:44 <penguinbait> I guess I live in Michigan, so Canada is only about 50 miles to Windsor, and I know a couple people in Canada
Jan 04 15:19:06 <ph|ber> will maemomapper not use the internal gps?
Jan 04 15:19:15 <Andy80> mat|work: lucky you :D
Jan 04 15:19:55 <mat|work> Andy80: well, I haven't completed the order... I'm still unsure about what to do about that :)
Jan 04 15:20:48 <Andy80> well... just try :D
Jan 04 15:20:53 <X-Fade_> Hmm gmail has built-in ups tracking support.
Jan 04 15:21:54 <Sho_> Cord: Mind giving me an IRC ping when your German code starts working? I'll do the same when it starts on one of my tries
Jan 04 15:26:27 <Zic> hi
Jan 04 15:26:55 <|R> maemo program instruction received! ... but not for canada haha doh :(
Jan 04 15:28:57 <penguinbait> at least they mention Canada
Jan 04 15:29:08 <|R> hehe yeah :)
Jan 04 15:29:28 * |R has to get this before the end of february
Jan 04 15:30:26 <penguinbait> I am in same boat, but in USA with no mention of how to achieve this goal
Jan 04 15:30:44 <penguinbait> at least canada is coming next week
Jan 04 15:30:46 <penguinbait> ?
Jan 04 15:30:53 <|R> oh didn't notice USA was not in the list
Jan 04 15:30:54 <penguinbait> or next month? hehe
Jan 04 15:30:55 <|R> wtf
Jan 04 15:30:59 <penguinbait> ??
Jan 04 15:34:25 <X-Fade_> lardman: Did you order yours yet?
Jan 04 15:34:49 <X-Fade_> lardman: Should work for UK now too..
Jan 04 15:36:58 <luron> german nokia shop link still says invalid registration code
Jan 04 15:37:13 <|R> ah nice! telepathy haze and salut in the 2008 rtcomm beta :D ... anyone tried it? Now all we need is OTR added and the libpurple+gstreamer video support to come ;)
Jan 04 15:37:14 <luron> does one need to 'log in' to one's shop account before entering code?
Jan 04 15:37:35 <ph|ber> anyone using canola?
Jan 04 15:37:45 <Tak> hah, not holding my breath on the gstreamer video
Jan 04 15:38:11 <luron> Sho_: Cord please give your codes a try
Jan 04 15:38:14 <keesj> I woudl love skype video support
Jan 04 15:38:40 <|R> hehe me neither, OTR would be nice enougth :)
Jan 04 15:38:45 <ptman> keesj: who wouldn't
Jan 04 15:38:49 <keesj> or some other moronOS compatible video calling solution
Jan 04 15:38:56 <|R> that would be sooo nice to have all IM in the OS with OTR :D
Jan 04 15:39:03 <Sho_> luron: Half an hour ago it didn't work, and not for Cord either
Jan 04 15:39:16 <luron> check your mail
Jan 04 15:39:26 <Sho_> luron: Neither the old code nor the new code
Jan 04 15:39:37 <Cord> Sho_, luron: nope.
Jan 04 15:39:43 <luron> ok same here
Jan 04 15:40:00 <Sho_> well at least we're not flukes then - guess Germany is down in total
Jan 04 15:40:09 <Sho_> well to be fair, the mail did say "are going to be" not "they work NOW"
Jan 04 15:40:23 <Sho_> "are going to work from today onward" might mean midnight ;)
Jan 04 15:40:27 <luron> it's nice to have confirmation
Jan 04 15:40:32 <Tak> |R: you running os2008?
Jan 04 15:40:51 <|R> yep
Jan 04 15:41:01 <Tak> feel like guinea-pigging for gngeo?
Jan 04 15:41:12 <|R> haha sure :)
Jan 04 15:41:13 <Cord> (we are four people here desperatly waiting to get the code active :-)
Jan 04 15:41:38 <|R> hehe :)
Jan 04 15:41:48 <Tak> seems to be having the same button issue that fceu did, at least judging from unique311's video
Jan 04 15:41:55 <|R> it's like torture, every time there is a news it's a new delay haha ;-)
Jan 04 15:42:04 <|R> oh...
Jan 04 15:42:14 <|R> though i don't have any roms :)
Jan 04 15:42:21 <Tak> google can fix that
Jan 04 15:42:32 <|R> is fceu/xmaeme for 2008 out yet? (i didn't have time to check)
Jan 04 15:42:35 <Tak> you'll need a neogeo arcade bios as well
Jan 04 15:42:40 <Tak> |R: yeah, in extras-devel
Jan 04 15:42:45 * kbsingh spots a dick_turpin 
Jan 04 15:43:04 <|R> is repository.maemo.org fixed yet? :P
Jan 04 15:43:07 <|R> (i had it disabled ;)
Jan 04 15:43:13 <kbsingh> |R: one way to find out
Jan 04 15:43:21 <|R> yep
Jan 04 15:43:23 <|R> doing it right now :P
Jan 04 15:43:48 <kbsingh> if you drop the 'i' in the repository part, that will giv eyou most of the extras anyway
Jan 04 15:44:02 <kbsingh> s/giv eyou/give you/
Jan 04 15:44:04 * |R installes xmaeme gngeo fceu ... fceu size mismatch doh!
Jan 04 15:44:04 <infobot> kbsingh meant: if you drop the 'i' in the repository part, that will give you most of the extras anyway
Jan 04 15:44:31 <Tak> size mismatch?
Jan 04 15:44:31 <|R> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/gngeo_0.7maemo-1_armel.deb (--unpack):
Jan 04 15:44:32 <|R>  error setting ownership of `./media/mmc1/roms': Operation not permitted
Jan 04 15:44:46 <kbsingh> eee...ya...
Jan 04 15:44:49 <|R> Tak : yeah i get that all the time for repositoroy.maemo.org ... like this:
Jan 04 15:44:53 <|R> Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/chinook/free/f/fceu/fceu_0.98.12-8_armel.deb  Size mismatch
Jan 04 15:45:07 <Tak> oh - so it's not just fceu?
Jan 04 15:45:11 <kbsingh> yes, so did you try it with repostory.maemo.org ? ( note the missing 'i' )
Jan 04 15:45:20 <keesj> need to eat more enlargement pils
Jan 04 15:45:34 <|R> haha
Jan 04 15:45:59 <|R> kbsingh : gimmie a sec, i may not have cloned all the extra extra devel etc ;)
Jan 04 15:46:18 <kbsingh> humm i dont think devel is on repostory
Jan 04 15:46:26 <kbsingh> unless they / someone did something in the last 2 days
Jan 04 15:46:40 <kbsingh> you might also need to apt-cache update
Jan 04 15:47:02 <|R> of course :)
Jan 04 15:48:13 <|R> uhm no even from repostory i get a size mismatch for fceu... and gngeo is broken while installing because i don't have a mmc1/roms ...
Jan 04 15:48:44 <Tak> k, one sec
Jan 04 15:49:06 <|R> (i guess i could create the folder and see but maybe this should be fixed as most people won't have that folder :)
Jan 04 15:49:42 <Tak> I'm not sure what the deal is with the fceu deb
Jan 04 15:52:51 <Tak> first test sent
Jan 04 15:56:32 <|R> it installed :)
Jan 04 15:56:41 <jga> for gngeo, you just have to create /mmc1/roms/neogeo
Jan 04 15:57:06 <lardman> yay! ordered my N810
Jan 04 15:57:19 <lardman> curiously the code they just sent me was different to the original one
Jan 04 15:57:27 <lardman> and they don't deliver on weekends :(
Jan 04 15:57:48 <lardman> (at least my gf will be happy about that :) )
Jan 04 15:57:59 <keesj> lol
Jan 04 15:58:22 <Tak> hah, fceu_0.98.12-9.tar.gz 666KB
Jan 04 15:58:48 <Tak> jga: yeah, but people shouldn't have to do that
Jan 04 15:59:14 <|R> lardman : same here (though i can't order yet ;)
Jan 04 15:59:23 <giskard> lardman, same here
Jan 04 15:59:32 <giskard> don't know why it changes
Jan 04 15:59:49 <|R> Tak : can you send a good rom? :P
Jan 04 15:59:49 <lardman> ah, I just read my mail backlog and saw that others were changed too
Jan 04 15:59:56 <|R> i don't have anything to test it :)
Jan 04 16:00:11 <Tak> yeah - do you have a bios?
Jan 04 16:00:22 <|R> what do you mean?
Jan 04 16:00:43 <|R> basic input output system? on the n800? :P
Jan 04 16:00:56 <Tak> I'll take that as a "no"
Jan 04 16:00:56 * |R not very woken up ;)
Jan 04 16:01:00 <|R> hehe
Jan 04 16:01:19 <lardman> what do you think the chances are of a crc returning the same value for two different buffers ~ 3k bytes long?
Jan 04 16:01:59 <Tak> depends on the crc, I guess, but pretty small
Jan 04 16:02:07 <lardman> the crc is the vorbis one
Jan 04 16:02:10 <lardman> hmm
Jan 04 16:02:55 <|R> if i wget this and dpkg -i, it works... go figure http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/chinook/free/f/fceu/fceu_0.98.12-8_armel.deb
Jan 04 16:03:31 <lardman> http://maemo.pastebin.com/m6b818337 - output of code running on x86 and N800/DSP
Jan 04 16:04:03 <lardman> checksums are the same, and the same as expected in the file, but the first bytes of the ogg_references are different (except for the first one)....
Jan 04 16:04:51 <sxpert> ah crap, I can't order from another country than my own to get a non-french keyboard
Jan 04 16:08:10 <sxpert> because I can't change the bloody delivery country
Jan 04 16:08:14 <Aniruddha_NL> hi
Jan 04 16:08:30 <Aniruddha_NL> how do I set the n800 back to it's factory defaults?
Jan 04 16:08:38 <lardman> flash it
Jan 04 16:08:49 <Aniruddha_NL> ah ok
Jan 04 16:08:54 <Aniruddha_NL> that's the onmly way?
Jan 04 16:09:29 <Tak> probably the easiest way
Jan 04 16:09:29 <lardman> realistically yes, why?
Jan 04 16:09:47 <luron> nice job lardman
Jan 04 16:10:16 <lardman> luron: what's that?
Jan 04 16:10:31 <Aniruddha_NL> Tak: lol
Jan 04 16:10:34 <Aniruddha_NL> thanks :)
Jan 04 16:10:53 <luron> the debugging output on x86 vs ARM
Jan 04 16:12:40 <lardman> yeah, it's a bit of a pita though - the DSP output there is with all sizes passed around as 16bit words, I decided to change that to pass everything around as 8bit words and the output is the same except for the ogg_reference values and crc
Jan 04 16:12:50 <lardman> I haven't the faintest idea why (yet)
Jan 04 16:12:58 <lardman> need to add yet more dbg() statements
Jan 04 16:13:17 <lardman> s/words/bytes (in both cases)
Jan 04 16:14:19 <sxpert> hah/
Jan 04 16:14:26 <sxpert> well, guess I should be happy
Jan 04 16:15:26 * Tak wait for r.m.o to update
Jan 04 16:16:53 <sxpert> wierd. coupon was for the entire price of the device...
Jan 04 16:16:58 <sxpert> not that I'll complain :-)
Jan 04 16:17:04 <lardman> sounds ideal :)
Jan 04 16:17:26 <lardman> Mine was for price-£66 iirc
Jan 04 16:17:45 <mat|work> sxpert: same here, -499 euros...
Jan 04 16:17:54 * lardman heads home to see if he can work out what's wrong with that code
Jan 04 16:18:10 <sxpert> mat|work, that's for the pain of having to put up with an azerty keyboard :-)
Jan 04 16:18:45 * Tak hopes for 900E discount
Jan 04 16:18:52 <sxpert> Tak, rotfl
Jan 04 16:19:11 <sxpert> Tak, you could buy all the accessories then
Jan 04 16:19:45 <captainigloo> Thanks maemo and nokia guys :D
Jan 04 16:20:58 <sxpert> for some reason the price is not identical over the euro zone.
Jan 04 16:21:36 <sxpert> of course, it could be that the non-taxed price is indeed identical
Jan 04 16:21:51 <DeLe0n> sxpert: mat|work: hows that u r getting the n810 for free!???
Jan 04 16:22:10 <sxpert> DeLe0n, just typed in a coupon code :-)
Jan 04 16:22:13 <DeLe0n> -499 euros!?!!! so ur still getting money back ?
Jan 04 16:22:14 <DeLe0n> hhahaha
Jan 04 16:22:33 <sxpert> DeLe0n, the thing *is* 499 here
Jan 04 16:22:53 <DeLe0n> aaah ok, where is that? i still don't know if i can order it from USA
Jan 04 16:23:05 <sxpert> the difference probably lies in stupid VAT being different in your country
Jan 04 16:23:07 <qos> the price differs from country to country ...
Jan 04 16:23:19 <DeLe0n> yes i was watching that, in spain is 400 euros
Jan 04 16:23:57 <Tak> maybe the US price will be lowered to account for our worthless currency
Jan 04 16:24:41 <sxpert> the price in the US should be... 499/0.6765 == 737.6201034 USD
Jan 04 16:25:00 <sxpert> Tak, hmm, no the price should be hiked
Jan 04 16:25:02 <Tak> tomorrow it will be 900USD
Jan 04 16:25:08 <sxpert> heh
Jan 04 16:25:14 <Tak> next week it will be 3000
Jan 04 16:25:25 <Cord> sxpert: you're from switzerland?
Jan 04 16:25:43 <sxpert> unlike stuff on the apple store where the a particular macbook is 1299 usd and 1249 eur
Jan 04 16:25:53 <sxpert> Cord, I wish
Jan 04 16:26:01 <Cord> sxpert: so where did you buy?
Jan 04 16:26:03 <sxpert> fr
Jan 04 16:26:16 <Cord> i c. and 499EUR + 499EUR discount?
Jan 04 16:26:25 <Cord> s/+/-/
Jan 04 16:26:26 <infobot> Cord meant: i c. and 499EUR - 499EUR discount?
Jan 04 16:26:47 <Sho_> multiple frenchies have reported that full price discount bug, it seems
Jan 04 16:26:54 <Sho_> guess it's put in on a per-shop basis
Jan 04 16:26:58 <sxpert> Sho_, what bug ?
Jan 04 16:27:00 <sxpert> ;-)
Jan 04 16:27:02 <Sho_> sxpert: hehe ;)
Jan 04 16:27:24 <Cord> let's see what the germans can do to in introducing bugs...
Jan 04 16:27:25 <qos> i wish i will have this bug too :)
Jan 04 16:27:50 <sxpert> Cord, correct
Jan 04 16:27:50 <Sho_> Cord: Perhaps they did introduce it, but then someone noticed and put it offline ;)
Jan 04 16:28:01 <sxpert> too late...
Jan 04 16:28:11 <Sho_> since the German codes don't work so far
Jan 04 16:28:20 <Cord> as i now have two discount codes... >:-)
Jan 04 16:28:31 <qos> Sho_, sadly
Jan 04 16:28:33 <sxpert> Cord, try both :-)
Jan 04 16:28:37 * Sho_ did try both
Jan 04 16:28:39 <Sho_> no luck
Jan 04 16:28:40 <Cord> sxpert: be sure.
Jan 04 16:28:46 <sxpert> perhaps you'll get 2 devices :-)
Jan 04 16:29:17 <Sho_> or the two cancel each other out into 0 ;)
Jan 04 16:29:18 * nelson tried this URL, but it didn't work:    http://direct.nokia.com/countries.aspx?model=N810&country=US&add=true
Jan 04 16:29:18 <mat|work> sxpert: used your code btw?
Jan 04 16:29:30 * mat|work finally decided to try to order it anyway...
Jan 04 16:29:37 <Khertan> Hi
Jan 04 16:29:39 <mat|work> let's see what happens :)
Jan 04 16:29:42 <sxpert> mat|work, worked for me
Jan 04 16:30:01 <nelson> mat|work: order it from the US?
Jan 04 16:30:05 <DeLe0n> mat|work: u r in France also?
Jan 04 16:30:07 <Khertan> do you have test your discount code ? Mine works ... but price isn't 99 Euros ...
Jan 04 16:30:21 <Khertan> what is the price for you ?
Jan 04 16:30:22 <sxpert> Khertan, is it 0 ?
Jan 04 16:30:25 <mat|work> DeLe0n: yes
Jan 04 16:30:28 <DeLe0n> Khertan: how much?
Jan 04 16:30:55 <sxpert> mebbe they added some more because it's after xmas and they apologise for being late or something
Jan 04 16:31:03 <Sho_> sxpert: How much was your shipping, btw?
Jan 04 16:31:08 <Khertan> ohoh ... i ve just received a new email saying that my command isn't validated yet
Jan 04 16:31:08 <sxpert> 7.50
Jan 04 16:31:10 <sxpert> standard
Jan 04 16:31:16 <Sho_> sxpert: ah cool ... someone else said 23€ for them
Jan 04 16:31:21 <Sho_> for standard, too
Jan 04 16:31:39 <mazzen_> sxpert: wich code worked for you? the old or the new one?
Jan 04 16:31:43 <Khertan> is it a rating for the position in the maemo profile ?
Jan 04 16:32:03 <sxpert> mazzen, the one in the mail with the ton of links
Jan 04 16:32:21 <mazzen_> sxpert: k. thanks!
Jan 04 16:32:28 <Khertan> for me it was the new code ... haven't see in the mail the new one ... and i ve test the old before which doen't work
Jan 04 16:32:40 <luron> ". In case the code listed here is different than the one you received, this is the good one.
Jan 04 16:32:42 <sxpert> ah just received an email
Jan 04 16:33:04 <sxpert> sent by some "microsoft CDO" MUA
Jan 04 16:33:20 <Khertan> euillez noter que ce reçu de commande constitue simplement une mise à jour du statut de votre commande et non une confirmation de commande. Sachez que votre commande peut faire l'objet d'un contrôle de sécurité supplémentaire avant d'être expédiée.
Jan 04 16:33:22 <Khertan> oupssss
Jan 04 16:33:28 <Sho_> sxpert: What's the mail? Ordering trouble?
Jan 04 16:33:29 <mat|work> meh, my mail server is late :p
Jan 04 16:33:44 <sxpert> Sho_, nope; similar to what Khertan just pasted
Jan 04 16:33:58 <Sho_> Unfortunately I didn't have French in school
Jan 04 16:34:29 <Sho_> (But if Nokia starts sending mails in Latin I'm all set)
Jan 04 16:34:31 <luron> http://direct.nokia.com/product.aspx?model=N810  Khertan, does that link work in france?
Jan 04 16:34:41 <sxpert> "this is not an order confirmation, merely a statement that you did order. we will do some security checks on the order prior to validating it blah blah"
Jan 04 16:35:02 <Sho_> interesting
Jan 04 16:35:10 <Khertan> luron : no it doesn't work
Jan 04 16:35:28 <Khertan> sho > and this part of this mail is in bold style
Jan 04 16:35:43 <Khertan> luron> it s on the boutique.nokia.fr for france
Jan 04 16:36:38 <Sho_> Interesting, so you guys who successfully ordered in France didn't use the direct. link but the national shop?
Jan 04 16:36:47 <mat|work> it doesn't matter
Jan 04 16:36:55 <Sho_> Cord: Maybe we should try shop.nokia.de then
Jan 04 16:36:59 <mat|work> the direct.nokia.com redirects you
Jan 04 16:37:00 <mat|work> I tried it
Jan 04 16:37:05 <Sho_> ah
Jan 04 16:39:13 <Tak> holy crap, I uploaded a package 45min ago and r.m.o hasn't updated yet
Jan 04 16:39:38 <Khertan> the direct redirect you only if cookies isn't set ...
Jan 04 16:39:43 <|R> Tak : what do i do with the bios files? :)
Jan 04 16:39:43 <Khertan> look at this
Jan 04 16:39:45 <Khertan> http://boutique.nokia.fr/nokia-fr/product.aspx?sku=3522636&culture=fr-FR#__anchor_ProductSelector
Jan 04 16:39:45 <sxpert> that's because it's the same machine running the shop :-)
Jan 04 16:39:59 <Khertan> then this http://direct.nokia.com/Product.aspx?model=N800
Jan 04 16:40:17 <Khertan> same machine ... but 101 Euros of differences in the price !
Jan 04 16:40:41 <Tak> |R: put them somewhere, and point xmaeme there
Jan 04 16:40:49 <|R> oh ok :)
Jan 04 16:41:04 * maddler just ordered his new N810! hooray!
Jan 04 16:41:14 <maddler> (.it)
Jan 04 16:42:36 <mat|work> Khertan: "Momentanément non disponible" though :p
Jan 04 16:42:50 <mazzen_> maddler: who much is your discount?
Jan 04 16:43:14 <|R> Tak : uhm, should i have a menu for that? a config file?
Jan 04 16:43:29 <Tak> menu for which?
Jan 04 16:43:34 <|R> bios selection
Jan 04 16:44:03 <|R> oh i found it
Jan 04 16:44:09 <Tak> You should have a button...ok
Jan 04 16:44:10 <|R> in the user's home, sorry ;)
Jan 04 16:44:13 <zoran> someone user
Jan 04 16:44:18 <zoran> uh!
Jan 04 16:44:37 <zoran> someone used wordnet as perl/python backend?
Jan 04 16:45:29 <maddler> mazzen_: 360E
Jan 04 16:46:09 * mazzen_ thinks about ordering the n810 in france ;-)
Jan 04 16:46:41 <|R> urhm...
Jan 04 16:46:54 <mat|work> the orders will probably be canceled
Jan 04 16:47:39 <mazzen_> just kidding :)
Jan 04 16:47:42 * mat|work just hopes they won't have to send new codes... meaning another 2 months delay :(
Jan 04 16:47:52 <Tak> should be able to update fceu from r.m.o now
Jan 04 16:48:03 <|R> Tak: unable to load rom (with rompath /media/mmc2/ROMS/ngeo having both de game and all the bios files in that folder..
Jan 04 16:48:25 <|R> de -> the
Jan 04 16:48:47 <Tak> using xmaeme or the command line?
Jan 04 16:48:52 <|R> xmaeme
Jan 04 16:49:08 <Tak> ok - did you point the bios there as well?
Jan 04 16:49:39 <|R> well in the ~/.gngeo/gngeorc file with the rompath variable above
Jan 04 16:49:49 <|R> i don't have a menu for the bios in my xmaeme...
Jan 04 16:49:55 <|R> (or button or ...)
Jan 04 16:50:06 <|R> xmaeme 0.12-1
Jan 04 16:50:08 <Tak> isn't there a button below the rom selection, marked "Bios" ?
Jan 04 16:50:16 <|R> there is "Bios" but no buttons
Jan 04 16:50:38 <|R> i have : [browse for other ROMs] ... then BIOS... than a check button for "Play Sound"
Jan 04 16:50:51 <|R> but no BIOS button :(
Jan 04 16:51:13 <scibot> D:
Jan 04 16:51:19 <Tak> wth - does os2008 ship with a broken gtk?
Jan 04 16:51:30 <|R> hehe maybe
Jan 04 16:51:53 <vegai> no gtk is unbroken ...
Jan 04 16:52:04 <Tak> well...substantially  more broken than standard
Jan 04 16:52:14 <vegai> ah, ok.
Jan 04 16:52:18 <scibot> Is there any paint apps out for 2008 yet?
Jan 04 16:53:13 <scibot> All the DS users are kicking ass with http://www.collectingsmiles.com/colors/
Jan 04 16:53:22 <|R> same result maximized or not
Jan 04 16:53:32 <tank-man> how do you play games in fceu? must be hard with the buttons
Jan 04 16:54:02 <scibot> tank-man, Luckily the 4:3 leaves enough space on either end for buttons on the touchscreen
Jan 04 16:54:21 <tank-man> i see
Jan 04 16:55:06 <|R> Tak : gotta run, i'll test some more if needed later, cheers! :)
Jan 04 16:55:13 <tank-man> do you know if anyone tried with the ps3 bluetooth controller?
Jan 04 16:56:33 <Tak> |R: cool, thanks
Jan 04 16:57:37 <Tak> I think people have used wii controllers
Jan 04 16:58:43 <tank-man> with one of the tablets?
Jan 04 16:58:54 <tank-man> or pc?
Jan 04 16:59:10 <Tak> tablet
Jan 04 16:59:12 <glass> dunno why not with tablets
Jan 04 16:59:20 <glass> symbian devices, pc's, mac's.....
Jan 04 17:07:24 <|tbb|> does modest run automaticly in background and watching for mails, ive got /usr/bin/modest under ps aux but i havent started it after reboot
Jan 04 17:07:42 <X-Fade_> |tbb|: Yep.. checks mail every 10 minutes orso..
Jan 04 17:08:06 <X-Fade_> Or earlier if there is mail and you use imap IDLE
Jan 04 17:08:45 <|tbb|> will it use the flash led thing and the popup on the left corner downer side
Jan 04 17:08:52 <X-Fade_> yep
Jan 04 17:09:14 <|tbb|> nice
Jan 04 17:09:25 <|tbb|> how can i replace the built in then
Jan 04 17:09:34 <X-Fade_> I have been using it for about 2 months now, works great.
Jan 04 17:12:06 <djcb> |tbb|, you can't really easily replace the stock email client
Jan 04 17:14:46 <|tbb|> anyone familar with gps_saver
Jan 04 17:16:04 <scibot> Who do I have to kill to get a paint program? :|
Jan 04 17:18:03 <Tak> there's already tuxpaint
Jan 04 17:20:45 <bstock> hey, is flashing the n810 the same process as flashing the 770 as long as i use the flasher 3.0 app?
Jan 04 17:20:53 <bstock> and an n810 image obvously
Jan 04 17:21:03 <inz> yes
Jan 04 17:21:09 <bstock> alright cool, thx
Jan 04 17:25:05 <scibot> I'd be happy with tuxpaint if I had atleast 256 colours at my disposal.
Jan 04 17:25:16 <Tak> are you female?
Jan 04 17:26:55 <skibur> hello
Jan 04 17:27:04 <Tak> bonjour
Jan 04 17:28:12 <skibur> Just got my N800 - OS2008 running KDE
Jan 04 17:28:16 <skibur> looks nice
Jan 04 17:28:23 <flip^> does it work nice though?
Jan 04 17:28:26 <skibur> yeah
Jan 04 17:28:30 <skibur> good
Jan 04 17:28:41 <|tbb|> how fast
Jan 04 17:28:46 <skibur> hum...
Jan 04 17:29:12 <skibur> under extra, there is an app called  "KDE"
Jan 04 17:29:20 <scibot> skibur, Does Krita work well?
Jan 04 17:29:29 <skibur> when you launch it, it about 1 min to boot up
Jan 04 17:29:57 <|tbb|> scibot what r u trying to do?
Jan 04 17:30:15 <skibur> once its up and running, each app takes about 6 seconds to run.  Once its running, it smooth
Jan 04 17:30:16 <skibur> :)
Jan 04 17:30:20 <skibur> checking...
Jan 04 17:31:19 <skibur> need to boot my nokia
Jan 04 17:32:31 <scibot> |tbb|, Want to put up some competition with the guys doing stuff like this : http://colors.brombra.net/details/2106-helmeted_guy_by_wesburt.php :: On the DS
Jan 04 17:33:35 <|tbb|> ice
Jan 04 17:33:39 <|tbb|> nice
Jan 04 17:34:11 <scibot> http://www.collectingsmiles.com/colors
Jan 04 17:36:51 <scibot> So hunting around for a half decent paint app.
Jan 04 17:38:46 * scibot pokes skibur 
Jan 04 17:39:34 <skibur> o :) lol Scibot I almost forgot.  Yes it does
Jan 04 17:39:56 <skibur> on it right now
Jan 04 17:40:06 <dhdfoo> hey, what is the status of people loading their own code onto the DSP from Linux?
Jan 04 17:40:13 <skibur> Not sure how well it works
Jan 04 17:40:14 <dhdfoo> I remember some posts about it on maemo-developers from a while back
Jan 04 17:40:27 <scibot> skibur, Can you do a curve with the paint tool?
Jan 04 17:40:38 <scibot> Just a stroke, and see if it comes out jagged.
Jan 04 17:40:59 <scibot> If it doesn't, tell me where I can get myself KDE. :D
Jan 04 17:41:38 <skibur> ok
Jan 04 17:42:08 <Tak> dhdfoo: lardman has made a lot of progress
Jan 04 17:42:24 <scibot> As long as I can pick colours and put down strokes easily, I'm set.
Jan 04 17:43:49 <bstock> is it just me or is the maemo.org site going pretty slow today
Jan 04 17:43:59 <scibot> It's slow every day
Jan 04 17:44:14 <bstock> heh, haven't used it much in the last like 6 months until i got my 810 today
Jan 04 17:45:08 <rdorsch> hello, has anybody experience with "the cloud" hostspots and their 10 Euro flatrate?
Jan 04 17:45:37 <skibur> :(  Well, When I choose red, I think since there is no way to simulate a right click, it press both left and right click together when I use the stylus.  So when I choose Red, the paint tools is using RED and WHITE together on a stroke. :(
Jan 04 17:45:59 <rdorsch> if yes, are you using devicescape to connect to the cloud or are you doing that manually?
Jan 04 17:46:32 <scibot> skibur, I wasn't aware right-click changed colours.
Jan 04 17:47:05 <skibur> o
Jan 04 17:47:07 <skibur> :)
Jan 04 17:47:14 <dhdfoo> Tak: is that Simon Pickering?
Jan 04 17:47:31 <Tak> according to his irc client, yes
Jan 04 17:47:35 <dhdfoo> :)
Jan 04 17:47:41 <dhdfoo> cool
Jan 04 17:49:23 <dhdfoo> I finally have some time to play with it I think
Jan 04 17:49:39 <dhdfoo> basically I just want to do FFT on it
Jan 04 17:49:41 <scibot> skibur, Is that the final verdict?
Jan 04 17:50:18 <skibur> yeah
Jan 04 17:50:27 <skibur> still needs work on it
Jan 04 17:50:34 <skibur> all the other apps are great
Jan 04 17:51:09 <skibur> Koffice doesn't support MS EXEL
Jan 04 17:51:13 <skibur> AFAIK
Jan 04 17:51:23 <Tak> dhdfoo: he's got his own code running on the dsp afaik; he's just having debugging issues due to dsp being much different from "normal" programming mindset
Jan 04 17:51:43 <kulve> dhdfoo: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/dspprogramming/
Jan 04 17:52:30 <|tbb|> is it possible to define an alias for busybox which automaticly type some sentence for me like if i do mmm and enter it should replace mmm with /path/to/anywhere?
Jan 04 17:53:39 <inz> dhdfoo, are you gonna make singstar for maemo?
Jan 04 17:54:37 <Tak> I would kill for a performant ultrastar on maemo
Jan 04 17:54:39 <dhdfoo> inz: no I'm looking to accelerate pocketsphinx
Jan 04 17:55:18 <dhdfoo> is the DSP on the N800/N810 a c54x or c55x?
Jan 04 17:55:35 <dhdfoo> kulve: thank you!
Jan 04 17:56:02 <jga> anybody tried to connect their tablet in OTG mode to an ipod?
Jan 04 18:20:03 <rdorsch> My system rebooted, so I missed the answers on the cloud question. Have there been any?
Jan 04 18:21:51 <Tak> rdorsch: no.
Jan 04 18:42:07 <rdorsch> Tak: thanks.
Jan 04 18:48:46 <bstock>  anyone know the best way to get root on n810?
Jan 04 18:49:25 <fugitivo> enabling rd mode?
Jan 04 18:49:44 <bstock> hmm guess i can do that
Jan 04 18:50:11 <hahlo> becomeroot?
Jan 04 18:50:22 <bill2or3> I just ssh root@localhost.
Jan 04 18:52:03 <|tbb|>  how do i replace a string with another with bash like "foo foo" with "foo bar"
Jan 04 18:53:18 <bill2or3> echo 'foo foo' |sed 's/foo$/bar/'
Jan 04 18:57:59 <inz> foo='foo foo'; echo ${foo/ foo/ bar}
Jan 04 19:00:41 <Tak> echo 'foo foo' | awk '{ print $1" bar" }'
Jan 04 19:01:28 <Cord> echo 'foo foo' |sed -e 's/foo$/bar/'
Jan 04 19:08:31 <kulve> bashism is bad, because it's not very portable..
Jan 04 19:21:55 <Khertan> Hi !
Jan 04 19:23:28 <locutu1> Hi
Jan 04 19:25:50 <locutu1> Is all software wich is installable on os2008 available over proogrammanager?
Jan 04 19:27:05 <locutu1> Or can i find some other software on some websites?
Jan 04 19:29:54 <kulve> locutu1: for some stuff you need to find the .install that adds the repo to application manager. Then you can use it to install the app
Jan 04 19:31:34 <locutu1> Do you know some sites where i can get them
Jan 04 19:36:53 <Tak> http://downloads.maemo.org
Jan 04 19:43:57 <locutu1> Thx. I know that site already, but i think  there are not so many apps
Jan 04 19:44:17 <|tbb|> how can i change the account connector applet by script like OnlineAvailable NotAvailable ...
Jan 04 19:45:43 <locutu1> Someone should port the vlc-player to os2008 ;)
Jan 04 19:47:30 <AD-N770> locutu1: I tried to port vlc to the 770 but I abandoned this project. Currently I think that extending gstreamer is more interesting.
Jan 04 19:51:42 <locutu1> Why can
Jan 04 19:52:16 <locutu1> I can i not find gstreamerr
Jan 04 19:52:42 <locutu1> It is not onn the maemmo page
Jan 04 19:52:59 <AD-N770> locutu1: gstreamer is the multimedia framework
Jan 04 19:53:53 <locutu1> Do i have to install it
Jan 04 19:54:07 <locutu1> ?
Jan 04 19:55:01 <AD-N770> locutu1: the media player is written on top of gstreamer, you have it
Jan 04 19:55:42 <locutu1> Ok
Jan 04 19:57:42 <drwx> hi, i'm in france and my discount code works now, I just buy my N800 7.50€ (499€ is the réel price). but I dont understand in the first mail it was 99€, no?
Jan 04 19:59:17 <drwx> how many did you buy you N810?
Jan 04 19:59:25 <locutu1> I bought mine for 250
Jan 04 20:00:11 <drwx> sorry I talk about the N810
Jan 04 20:00:13 <AD-N770> in spain I ordered mine today
Jan 04 20:00:23 <drwx> N810?
Jan 04 20:00:28 <AD-N770> 100€ + 7€ for delivery
Jan 04 20:00:46 <drwx> me 7€ for delivery and that's all
Jan 04 20:00:51 <AD-N770> N810 with discount code
Jan 04 20:01:24 <|tbb|> #!/bin/sh latarr=(48815575 48816727 48818316 48817016)
Jan 04 20:02:02 <|tbb|> end up with error -> 2: Syntax error: "(" unexpected
Jan 04 20:02:12 <|tbb|> #!/bin/bash latarr=(48815575 48816727 48818316 48817016)
Jan 04 20:02:34 <|tbb|> second works, how can i declare arrays with sh
Jan 04 20:02:57 <drwx> yes
Jan 04 20:03:28 <|tbb|> drwx, thas a good deal
Jan 04 20:03:46 * Tak shrugs @ sh
Jan 04 20:03:50 <drwx> sure
Jan 04 20:03:51 <inz> |tbb|, you don't
Jan 04 20:04:34 <|tbb|> means i cant do arrays with sh?
Jan 04 20:04:37 <kulve> Tak: why don't you use some proper language if you are doing something more complex?
Jan 04 20:04:51 <Tak> uhh
Jan 04 20:04:51 <inz> kulve, tab-completion bites?
Jan 04 20:04:53 * Tak panics
Jan 04 20:04:59 <kulve> hups
Jan 04 20:05:14 <kulve> |tbb|: why don't you use some proper language if you are doing something more complex?
Jan 04 20:06:29 <|tbb|> im allready finished now just this array broke my script
Jan 04 20:06:58 <kulve> people use bash way too often. There are many environments without bash
Jan 04 20:07:26 <Tak> e.g. ubuntu
Jan 04 20:07:33 * Tak grumbles about ubuntu and dash
Jan 04 20:08:11 <inz> ubuntu does have bash, but not as sh
Jan 04 20:08:29 <inz> And having a fast shell as default sh makes sense
Jan 04 20:08:51 <inz> (fast as in fast to load)
Jan 04 20:10:01 <Tak> s/And(.*)fast(.*)( [a-z]+$)/But\1broken\2no\3/
Jan 04 20:10:04 <|tbb|> inz could you show me a way to get the same result with sh?
Jan 04 20:10:55 <inz> |tbb|, I dunno what you're doing
Jan 04 20:11:00 <inz> Tak, define broken?
Jan 04 20:11:09 <inz> Tak, broken == not bash?
Jan 04 20:11:19 <Tak> broken == dash :-P
Jan 04 20:11:33 <inz> Tak, does it break standards or how is it broken?
Jan 04 20:11:41 <|tbb|> want to get the numbers into a variable like i do it in bash with #!/bin/bash latarr=(48815575 48816727 48818316 48817016)
Jan 04 20:12:07 <inz> |tbb|, I would guess the closest match would be to put them space separated into a string var
Jan 04 20:13:06 <Tak> it at least behaves differently than bash in sh-compatibility mode
Jan 04 20:13:36 <inz> Tak, does that mean it's not POSIX-compliant?
Jan 04 20:15:07 <inz> Tak, at least the debian package description for dash says: ...is a POSIX compliant shell...
Jan 04 20:15:27 <Tak> I'm not sure whether dash is broken or bash's compatibility mode is broken
Jan 04 20:15:52 <inz> Tak, I would guess that either bash's compatibility is broken, or the script
Jan 04 20:15:54 <JussiP> Bash enables certain non-sh extensions even when run as sh.
Jan 04 20:17:51 <Tak> example: http://pastie.caboo.se/135077
Jan 04 20:21:32 <EruditeHermit> hi, does anyone know where I can get abiword for maemo 4.0?
Jan 04 20:22:15 <inz> Tak, what's wrong with it w/ dash?
Jan 04 20:24:34 <Tak> $ diff -u blah.h.sh blah.h.dash | wc -l: 91
Jan 04 20:25:12 <lcuk> so have i landed in the right place?
Jan 04 20:26:03 <inz> Tak: bash bleh.sh blah.glade blah.h.bash; dash bleh.sh blah.glade blah.h.dash; diff blah.h.dash blah.h.bash | wc -l == 0
Jan 04 20:26:37 <lcuk> coooooooooey, is anyone alive in here?
Jan 04 20:26:47 <Tak> lcuk: also http://www.mibbit.com
Jan 04 20:29:00 <Tak> inz: try with http://tinyurl.com/youhcf ;-)
Jan 04 20:29:20 <|tbb|> tak did you see pm
Jan 04 20:29:41 <scibot> Ow my hand
Jan 04 20:30:33 <skibur> I still can't believe that the Life of a "Hacker" can be found in the Bible.
Jan 04 20:30:54 <drwx> ?
Jan 04 20:30:56 <|tbb|> oh wasnt identified
Jan 04 20:31:20 <lcuk> jedus hacked his battery and came back 3 days after they had given up
Jan 04 20:32:55 * scibot tries to upload an image made in sketch
Jan 04 20:33:03 <inz> Tak, yeah, now I get 58
Jan 04 20:33:30 * Tak nods
Jan 04 20:34:01 <Tak> I didn't investigate which one breaks the standard, or if this situation is even covered by the standard; I just fixed my script/makefile to explicitly use bash
Jan 04 20:34:02 <skibur> like this verse
Jan 04 20:34:19 <inz> Tak, alter the script to do /bin/echo instead of echo, and the results will match
Jan 04 20:34:24 <scibot> hand cramp
Jan 04 20:34:32 <inz> Tak, i.e. the bash echo-builtin is the one to blame
Jan 04 20:34:42 <skibur> "He then answered, 'Whether He is a sinner, I do not know; one thing I do know, that though I was blind, now I see.'"
Jan 04 20:35:09 <Tak> skibur: You can't beat Ezekiel 23:20.
Jan 04 20:35:12 <skibur> John Chapter 9 Verse 25 = Reverse Engineering :P
Jan 04 20:37:15 <lcuk> when jesus was giving his sermon on the mount do you think ppl in the audience with n81bc models could get a gps signal?
Jan 04 20:37:53 <Tak> actually, I get the same result with /bin/echo
Jan 04 20:38:12 <Tak> which makes sense, because the echo manpage says that -E is the default, not -e
Jan 04 20:38:26 <scibot> http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/7752/sketchsketchfc7.png
Jan 04 20:38:28 * skibur is 0_0 Ezekiel 23:20
Jan 04 20:38:33 <Tak> rofl!
Jan 04 20:38:38 <scibot> There  we go
Jan 04 20:38:53 <scibot> Maemo Sketch sucks.
Jan 04 20:39:09 <Tak> skibur: you drew me, but why am I surrounded by ashes?
Jan 04 20:39:36 <skibur> lol
Jan 04 20:39:55 <Tak> wtf, I even get [ck] confused when tab-completing
Jan 04 20:40:07 <skibur> lol lcuk
Jan 04 20:40:23 <lcuk> *will have to port his little drawing proggy to linux
Jan 04 20:40:34 <lcuk> *will also have to learn how to do actions
Jan 04 20:40:46 <Tak>  /me
Jan 04 20:40:51 <lcuk> ta :)
Jan 04 20:40:58 <scibot> /me actions
Jan 04 20:41:07 * lcuk tries it
Jan 04 20:41:15 * lcuk thanks you both
Jan 04 20:41:23 <scibot> Sweet
Jan 04 20:41:26 <Aniruddha_NL> is there a good rs reader for the n800?
Jan 04 20:43:07 <skibur> here is another verse dealing with Hacker/Cracker
Jan 04 20:44:55 <scibot> lcuk, Seen colors! for the DS?
Jan 04 20:44:57 <skibur> "Ask and it shall be given to you; seek, and you shall find; knock, and it shall be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it shall be opened."
Jan 04 20:45:24 <skibur> Matthew 7:7  = Using Nmap!!!
Jan 04 20:45:34 <lcuk> no, but I now have a youtube up
Jan 04 20:46:04 <scibot> ?
Jan 04 20:47:00 <lcuk> im watching a yt vid of it now - it looks sweet :)
Jan 04 20:47:48 <scibot> http://colors.brombra.net/details/2274-colors_slot14_by_Harbadakus.php
Jan 04 20:52:25 <lcuk> sci - no source tho..
Jan 04 20:52:37 <scibot> Yeah bummer
Jan 04 20:53:04 <lcuk> if its technically built with the libs he mentions shouldn't we be able to ermmmm push him?
Jan 04 20:54:37 <jga> is there any way to log the location in maemo mapper?
Jan 04 20:55:28 * scibot shrugs
Jan 04 20:55:56 <jga> I just want to store the gps location to use on google earth
Jan 04 20:56:05 <scibot> You should aq
Jan 04 20:56:08 <scibot> You should ask if it's possible to port a ds application
Jan 04 20:57:40 <lcuk> its probably easier just to add the nice bits from there into another app over here
Jan 04 20:59:41 <sibbe> oh nice.. http://repository.maemo.org/pool/os2008/free/source/k/kernel-source-rx-34/ the actual kernel source
Jan 04 21:00:21 <lcuk> fianlly...
Jan 04 21:02:18 <sibbe> http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/32486
Jan 04 21:04:56 <lcuk> am i right in thinking that i can tweak and play and rebuild an entire flash image with this?
Jan 04 21:05:44 <Mousey> anybody got freeciv working on an n810?
Jan 04 21:05:53 <Mousey> (or wesnoth?)
Jan 04 21:05:59 * lcuk has been trying to grasp this whole thing for the last few weeks but unable to advance without updated source
Jan 04 21:08:12 <sibbe> my precious custom kernel compiled fine, but i don't have miniusb cable with me now.. damn. just the microusb for n810, but i have n800 with me now
Jan 04 21:09:57 <Aniruddha_NL> Mousey: I tried isntaling wesnoth on 0s2008 but failed :(
Jan 04 21:12:17 * Mousey cries!!
Jan 04 21:13:10 <Aniruddha_NL> Mousey: i am gonna try manual install
Jan 04 21:13:13 <Aniruddha_NL> http://blackax.net/Pub/wesnoth/dists/bora/user/binary-armel/
Jan 04 21:13:20 <lcuk> is it just the bindings for '08 that breaks things, or are there substantial problems with porting?
Jan 04 21:14:13 * Mousey investgates
Jan 04 21:15:13 <sibbe> great, secondary sd-slot seems to work now with custom kernel
Jan 04 21:15:39 <Aniruddha_NL> *downloading wesnoth now*
Jan 04 21:15:48 <lcuk> sibbe - how did you get it onto your device without a cable? binary text entry?
Jan 04 21:20:58 <sibbe> lcuk, found one... but yeah i was about to transfer it via bluetooth and dd it to mtd block, or something
Jan 04 21:28:25 <scibot> Anyone know how to pixel doubling through Xsp python? (pygame)
Jan 04 21:28:56 * lcuk has read lots about pixel doubling but still knows nothing :(
Jan 04 21:29:44 <lcuk> wasnt proper doubling only for the 770
Jan 04 21:29:47 <scibot> I just want to do stuff in pygame =/
Jan 04 21:29:57 <lcuk> im in the same boat...
Jan 04 21:31:12 <acydlord> i just want my n810, but apparently nokia doesnt like the united states anymore
Jan 04 21:32:13 <lcuk> i think you can do it if you are in proper dsl
Jan 04 21:32:16 <lcuk> sdl*
Jan 04 21:32:48 <scibot> Yep theres an example in the wiki
Jan 04 21:33:37 <scibot> No idea how to translate it to python though
Jan 04 21:33:41 <lcuk> also from the page in the wiki "NOTE This currently only applies to the 770."
Jan 04 21:33:50 <lcuk> dunno if its out of date
Jan 04 21:34:35 <scibot> We need answers.  =/
Jan 04 21:35:39 <lcuk> with you 100%, but I would prefer the powervr core more...
Jan 04 21:37:15 <lcuk> later on i will (re)try to get c example up and running and if its possible ill then take a look at pygame and see about adding xsppixeldoubling call into it
Jan 04 21:37:53 * lcuk is waiting for his missus to come off majong before gettin his device back
Jan 04 21:39:14 <scibot> Sweet, it'd be great if we could get a rking example app in the wiki
Jan 04 21:39:24 <scibot> working*
Jan 04 21:39:59 <sibbe> hmm now there seems to be sources for hildon-application-manager, hildon-control-panel.. were those available earlier?
Jan 04 21:40:26 <lcuk> i gather we are both singing from the same sheet: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/GameDevelopment
Jan 04 21:43:15 <scibot> Yep
Jan 04 21:43:51 <lcuk> good, then i shall see where the convoluted process leads me to
Jan 04 21:44:18 * lcuk never thought he would say that visual studio dev for pocket pc was nicer.... (at least to start)
Jan 04 21:44:21 <Chris12349> This might not be the right channel, but I've upgraded my n800 to os 2008. I've installed openssh.  I can connect to my n800 from my pc but it is unusably slow. It seems to be transmitting in short bursts.  Anyone have any ideas?
Jan 04 21:45:12 <lcuk> chris, was the connection flakey before the upgrade
Jan 04 21:45:30 <scibot> lcuk, At worst we could probably just plug in a C module somewhere.
Jan 04 21:46:11 <lcuk> sci - had that thought, but i doubt hardware scaling is available
Jan 04 21:46:14 <Chris12349> lcuk: Nope, worked fine.
Jan 04 21:47:07 <Chris12349> It's wierd I'm not losing a connection.  If I type "cd /home"  about 10 seconds later I'll see it on my screen, Another 10 seconds and I'll see my prompt change
Jan 04 21:47:54 <lcuk> chris, is the 800 cpu pegged way up - do local apps respond fine?
Jan 04 21:48:00 <Sho_> Cord: Any news on the coupon front?
Jan 04 21:49:09 <Chris12349> cpu is good, I've got an app that monitors that.  Local apps also respond fine. Browsing works well.  however I do see slowdowns when download from repos.  But I can't complain about slow servers :)
Jan 04 21:49:56 <lcuk> dunno then
Jan 04 21:49:59 * lcuk shrugs
Jan 04 21:50:11 <Chris12349> lcuk: I'll see if maybe ethereal can provide some answers
Jan 04 21:50:33 <Chris12349> thanks anyways
Jan 04 21:56:28 <unique311> Tak, Plan to fix the onscreen buttons bug, gngeo.
Jan 04 21:59:33 * lcuk damns nokia for not utilising the powervr core
Jan 04 22:03:45 <scibot> lcuk, Yeah damn straight, would've been fun to get blender cranking frames.
Jan 04 22:04:24 <lcuk> i wonder just how much code would be needed to bootstrap it
Jan 04 22:04:39 <scibot> Hmm?
Jan 04 22:04:41 * lcuk has seen this conversation before
Jan 04 22:04:51 <lcuk> get the core working in the kernel
Jan 04 22:05:00 <scibot> Heh, oh and FYI blender worked on the 770 apparently.
Jan 04 22:05:21 <lcuk> what nokia gives with one hand they taketh away with the other
Jan 04 22:05:32 <scibot> Yeah, if if if, we're waiting on someone pulling off some miracle.
Jan 04 22:05:51 <lcuk> it wont be a miracle, it just needs the right approach
Jan 04 22:06:08 <Aniruddha_N800> is there a way to retrive a root passwprd?
Jan 04 22:06:12 <lcuk> the code exists and its out there - binary or not
Jan 04 22:06:29 <scibot> As far as I'm concerned, I'll be praising the ground they walk on.
Jan 04 22:06:50 <lcuk> i am already priming my ass kissing lips to prepare for the day
Jan 04 22:08:09 <lcuk> i am gonna see if i can con my boss into getting a Ti test rig
Jan 04 22:10:55 <qos> hey guys ...
Jan 04 22:11:57 <lcuk> hey
Jan 04 22:12:13 <jeff1f> yo
Jan 04 22:19:24 <dhdfoo> is the best solution for installing the Maemo SDK on x86-64 to first install 32-bit Debian in a chroot?
Jan 04 22:20:49 <scibot> dhdfoo, Or a virtual machine.
Jan 04 22:21:14 <scibot> Which is safer, I screwed up my debian installation pretty badly due to my own stupidity on day.
Jan 04 22:21:20 <scibot> one*
Jan 04 22:21:37 <lcuk> agree with that, i got a vmware image
Jan 04 22:21:49 <scibot> dhdfoo, I also got it working without the chroot, but I recommend going the vm route.
Jan 04 22:22:07 <lcuk> http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/
Jan 04 22:23:27 * lcuk just nearly fell off his chair :S
Jan 04 22:25:49 <dhdfoo> yeah I had it set up with dchroot and kept running into annoying scratchbox problems and eventually just deleted the stupid thing
Jan 04 22:26:03 <dhdfoo> things were not getting mounted, my sbox group wasn't showing up, etc
Jan 04 22:26:11 <dhdfoo> I will try the VM, thanks!
Jan 04 22:33:18 <scibot> dhdfoo, I took the installation script and did some editing, added a couple of packages and bam, working setup.
Jan 04 22:41:57 <lardman> sooo many new threads on itt....
Jan 04 22:42:06 <lardman> new posts even
Jan 04 22:45:43 <Vulcanis> its christmas
Jan 04 22:45:46 <Vulcanis> lots of people got tablets
Jan 04 22:45:49 <Vulcanis> what do you expect
Jan 04 22:46:20 <lardman> True
Jan 04 22:57:14 <lardman> anyone know what laces are in tremor?
Jan 04 22:59:30 <derf> Lacing values describe how pages are partitioned into packets.
Jan 04 23:00:17 <lardman> in the same way that references are used to access buffers?
Jan 04 23:00:50 <derf> I mean, in the bitstream.
Jan 04 23:01:06 <derf> They are the physical encoding of the packet lengths.
Jan 04 23:01:27 <lardman> okay, makes a bit of sense now
Jan 04 23:01:33 <lardman> I see a lace ptr
Jan 04 23:02:42 <besturl> Do you want to see video and picture of nude celebrities with a forum 100% free !!! just click there => http://www.besturl.org/forum
Jan 04 23:03:16 <shackan> besturl go fuck yourself, please
Jan 04 23:03:21 <lardman> I've missed converting a pointer somewhere - I had working checksums, but the oy->fifo_fill was wrong, I've fixed the oy->fifo_fill and checksums are knackered
Jan 04 23:03:30 <lardman> or a set of pointers
Jan 04 23:04:01 <lardman> I appear to have repeated data in my ogg_references
Jan 04 23:05:05 <lcuk> is there an irc client for 810 yet, or are ppl just using web?
Jan 04 23:05:47 <shackan> lcuk: pidgin
Jan 04 23:06:11 <lcuk> thought that was just im... will give it a look tho. ta
Jan 04 23:06:39 <shackan> (and telepathy-idle, if you want the thrill of your device crashing as soon as you enter a channel with more than 60 members)
Jan 04 23:06:42 <lardman> e.g. http://pastebin.ca/841909
Jan 04 23:07:40 <astro76> lcuk, http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/
Jan 04 23:07:43 * lcuk_idiot blushes
Jan 04 23:07:50 <lcuk_idiot> thanks :)
Jan 04 23:09:05 * lcuk_idiot wont click links from here again
Jan 04 23:09:22 * lcuk_idiot will middle click instead
Jan 04 23:11:58 * lcuk feels himself again
Jan 04 23:12:13 <Cptnodegard> hah
Jan 04 23:12:40 <Cptnodegard> just played a untouched downloaded episode of ST TOS on my n800, directly off a flash pen in usb host mode
Jan 04 23:13:04 <bill2or3> host mode, you say?
Jan 04 23:13:12 <bill2or3> do tell.
Jan 04 23:13:36 <Cptnodegard> home made auto-host cable
Jan 04 23:13:43 <Cptnodegard> hang on for pic
Jan 04 23:13:49 * bill2or3 holds on.
Jan 04 23:14:05 * lcuk also holds on
Jan 04 23:14:10 * lcuk can feel himself slipping...
Jan 04 23:14:52 <Cptnodegard> uploading...
Jan 04 23:14:59 <Cptnodegard> also got a full size USB keyboard to work
Jan 04 23:15:05 <Cptnodegard> "got to work" as in plugged in, worked
Jan 04 23:15:23 <Cptnodegard> http://captain-odegard.com/n800/host.jpg
Jan 04 23:16:11 <lcuk> cpt :) nice
Jan 04 23:16:15 <Cptnodegard> that video was divx 3, 846kbps, 512x384
Jan 04 23:17:02 <bill2or3> is that cable injecting power, or is it just a physical adapter from mini-a to B?
Jan 04 23:17:44 <Robot101> what do you need to do in software to make it do host mode? just set the flag with the flasher?
Jan 04 23:17:51 <Cptnodegard> no power. n800 outputs 200mah,enough for small stuff
Jan 04 23:18:06 <Cptnodegard> its a mini-a to female a, with pin 4 and 5 on the mini a connected
Jan 04 23:18:43 <lcuk> pt, how does it effect battery consumption
Jan 04 23:18:49 <Cptnodegard> no idea...
Jan 04 23:18:55 <bill2or3> I actually have an adapter for that, I'll have to give it a try.
Jan 04 23:19:02 <Cptnodegard> doesnt work
Jan 04 23:19:03 <lcuk> lol @ 5min uptimes ;)
Jan 04 23:19:16 <Cptnodegard> there is only one known adapter that works out of the box
Jan 04 23:19:29 <lcuk> "there can be only one"
Jan 04 23:19:31 <Cptnodegard> alternately you need root access to enable host mode manually
Jan 04 23:19:44 <bill2or3> is there docs on that anywhere?
Jan 04 23:19:55 <Cptnodegard> connecting pin 4 and 5 on mini a enables auto switch
Jan 04 23:20:01 <Cptnodegard> yes, hang on
Jan 04 23:20:33 <Cptnodegard> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=120454#post120454
Jan 04 23:21:03 <scibot> Still wishing Maemo had a torrent tracker.
Jan 04 23:21:26 <bill2or3> are there drivers for anything besides keyboard and flashdrives?
Jan 04 23:22:15 * bill2or3 reads wiki page instead.
Jan 04 23:22:18 <Cptnodegard> scibot: torrent client you mean?
Jan 04 23:22:27 <scibot> Cptnodegard, No tracker.
Jan 04 23:22:51 <Cptnodegard> bill2or3: i think a guy got a mouse to work... no sure. HDD works if they have their own power source
Jan 04 23:22:56 <scibot> I wouldn't mention if it wasn't for the transmission port.
Jan 04 23:23:36 <scibot> Have videos and other questionable content for direct download on the maemo devices themselves.
Jan 04 23:24:21 <Cptnodegard> lol
Jan 04 23:24:45 <Cptnodegard> another usb host pic: http://captain-odegard.com/n800/PICT0719.jpg
Jan 04 23:25:25 * lcuk bids you lot good night :)
Jan 04 23:25:37 * lcuk might come back again
Jan 04 23:30:21 <scibot> Cptnodegard, The gp2x folks had a nice resource for all the rom packs, old games etc. http://gp2xtorrents.com/
Jan 04 23:32:50 <bill2or3> I plugged in a usb thumbdrive, and it worked.
Jan 04 23:36:35 <scibot> I mean, if anything it'd probably help tons for the major firmware and software releases.
Jan 04 23:41:33 <lardman> hmm, I've found my tremor problem, it looks like the ogg_sync_state counters work in 16bit byte mode, while everything else uses 8bit byte mode
Jan 04 23:43:02 <lardman> sorry for the random comment :)
Jan 04 23:45:57 <luron> louk check out mtpaint
Jan 04 23:46:40 <luron> i always enjoy hearing of your progress lardman
Jan 04 23:47:54 <scibot> An example of a paint program done right is Colors! for the S
Jan 04 23:47:55 <scibot> DS*
Jan 04 23:48:14 <lardman> luron: makes me feel less mad if I'm not just talking to myself ;)
Jan 04 23:48:24 <scibot> http://colors.brombra.net/
Jan 04 23:48:59 <scibot> Whoops
Jan 04 23:49:04 <scibot> http://www.collectingsmiles.com/colors/
Jan 04 23:49:11 <scibot> That's the software site.
Jan 04 23:49:29 <luron> why port a DS app when there's a good lightweight GTK-based app
Jan 04 23:49:42 <scibot> Not suggesting we port it.
Jan 04 23:49:48 <scibot> Especially without source code.
Jan 04 23:50:05 <scibot> I said it was an example of a paint program that works really well on a portable platform.
Jan 04 23:50:06 <bill2or3> anyone know what the snapshot.ko modules is for?
Jan 04 23:50:16 <skibur> I was a part of the DSLinux project for DS Lite
Jan 04 23:50:35 <msh_> the gallery pictures are pretty impressive
Jan 04 23:50:36 <skibur> :)  well still am
Jan 04 23:51:44 <scibot> http://colors.brombra.net/details/2106-helmeted_guy_by_wesburt.php - I like this one.
Jan 04 23:54:15 <scibot> msh_, Main thing is most of the tools are mapped to hardware buttons, making it easy to access and quick.
Jan 05 00:00:03 <msh_> yeah. though with even a single button you could use it to toggle an onscreen menu type thing I guess
Jan 05 00:00:10 <msh_> (less good, but usable)
Jan 05 00:03:56 <scibot> All I need is a colour wheel, brush size and colour picker accessible quick and easy.
Jan 05 00:05:31 <scibot> Past that, I don't even need opacity options or layers, (although either would be nice)
Jan 05 00:09:41 <lardman> dhdfoo: ping
Jan 05 00:12:17 <scibot> Opacity allows for tinting colours, which is a neat technique when you need to add some variety.
Jan 05 00:12:40 <lardman> dhdfoo: I got your email; I should be online tomorrow, to have a chat about it. Not sure about your 20ms requirement as I've never done any timings for the transfers, kulve might be the chap to ask about that
Jan 05 00:12:55 <lardman> s/20ms/10ms
Jan 05 00:14:15 <lardman> night all
Jan 05 00:31:00 <luron> scibot: imo the key component is brush speed on a tablet.  if you can't draw smooth curves forget it
Jan 05 00:31:11 <luron> right after that comes a fast and useful airbrush mode
Jan 05 00:31:29 <luron> this requires much more cpu
Jan 05 00:33:22 <luron> it needs to be done right
Jan 05 00:33:51 <luron> the recording of brush strokes has to be independent of display rate
Jan 05 00:34:20 <luron> so if you pick a large fuzzy brush and draw a stroke, it doesn't try to composite and draw every frame
Jan 05 00:34:24 <luron> before the next frame
Jan 05 00:34:31 <luron> that gives you a series of alpha blended circles
Jan 05 00:34:51 <luron> it's not trivial to implement well!
Jan 05 00:35:05 <dhdfoo> lardman|gone: cool
Jan 05 00:35:09 <msh_> does gimp have any good tablet code do you know?
Jan 05 00:35:47 <luron> gimp has been built for the tablets, didn't work on my 770 though
Jan 05 00:37:26 <msh_> I mean like drawing tablets
Jan 05 00:39:20 <luron> like wacom?  works fine here
Jan 05 00:39:35 <msh_> hm. so something like that could potentially be ported
Jan 05 00:40:00 <luron> been there, done that
Jan 05 00:40:09 <nomis> msh_: port the XInput-extension to the tablet.
Jan 05 00:42:18 <luron> what on earth for?
Jan 05 00:52:02 <nomis> luron: for pressure support in Gimp.
Jan 05 01:01:45 <unique311> <luron> why port a DS app when there's a good lightweight GTK-based app
Jan 05 01:01:49 <unique311> and this apps is?
Jan 05 01:02:24 <unique311> i would really like a copy, if you have it.
Jan 05 01:06:29 <luron> from what i've seen i still think mtpaint is a good program for the tablet
Jan 05 01:07:44 <unique311> you do.
Jan 05 01:08:36 <unique311> it is, but i've yet to see the hildonize version of it.
Jan 05 01:08:51 <unique311> at least a freaking beta.
Jan 05 01:12:51 <msh_> mtpaint looks like ms paintbrush (ie no opacity)?
Jan 05 01:13:01 <unique311> luron, fullscreen would put me in my place.  and i would be very happy.
Jan 05 01:13:09 <unique311> its not.
Jan 05 01:13:53 <unique311> msh_, much better than paintbrush.
Jan 05 01:14:04 <msh_> http://mtpaint.sourceforge.net/handbook/en_GB/chap_03.html#SEC21
Jan 05 01:15:01 <msh_> and no AA?
Jan 05 01:16:11 <unique311> msh_, check 3.5
Jan 05 01:16:20 <unique311> mid page
Jan 05 01:16:53 <msh_> ok yeah
Jan 05 01:17:10 <msh_> though pretty rough edges
Jan 05 01:17:26 <unique311> i built it a while back with no optimization.
Jan 05 01:17:43 <luron> I've emailed the developer and he has translucent brushes in his development version but not in the release version
Jan 05 01:17:45 <unique311> drew some descent stuff with it.
Jan 05 01:17:56 <luron> s/has/had
Jan 05 01:18:20 <luron> so that opacity brush / alpha blended brush is the main thing it needs, then the hildonization of course
Jan 05 01:18:26 <msh_> *nod*
Jan 05 01:18:41 <unique311> so anyone knows whose trying to port  it on maemo.org is?
Jan 05 01:18:44 <unique311> -is
Jan 05 01:18:57 <luron> no info - he didn't respond to my mail either
Jan 05 01:22:16 <unique311> http://s50.photobucket.com/albums/f333/unique311/Misc/?action=view&current=Budn800screen.jpg  thats me struggle with the tiny screen size.
Jan 05 01:22:46 <unique311> i think if he just added fullscreen support, i would be happy.
Jan 05 01:24:54 <luron> :/
Jan 05 01:25:02 <luron> it's not that hard
Jan 05 01:26:26 <unique311> its not, but its also not that easy.
Jan 05 01:26:31 <unique311> which makes it
Jan 05 01:26:37 <unique311> ?
Jan 05 01:32:26 <unique311> for being done on the DS, this is pretty sick.   http://colors.brombra.net/details/2386-Rach_by_subha.php
Jan 05 01:42:47 <unique311> luron are you running os2008?
Jan 05 01:43:09 <luron> noo 2006
Jan 05 01:44:17 <luron> am applying for credit card to purchase a n810
Jan 05 01:44:38 <luron> cause my last one ended 2007
Jan 05 01:48:00 <|tbb|> hmmh kismet runs and gather packets about over 20minutes it seems something changed to os2008 or on the chip of n810
Jan 05 01:48:09 <rm_you> lcuk: there is an xchat released for n810 :)
Jan 05 01:52:45 <lcuk> wicked :D
Jan 05 01:52:56 * lcuk didnt think anyone noticed him slip in
Jan 05 01:54:19 * lcuk has been away examing source and looking up pvr stuff and now has a melted head
Jan 05 01:54:48 * lcuk overuses /me
Jan 05 01:57:54 <unique311> luron, was wondering how you were running mtpaint.
Jan 05 01:58:08 <unique311> seems people are having issues installing it on os2008.
Jan 05 02:00:15 <dmadd> /quit
Jan 05 02:01:54 <scibot> luron, Airbrush is completely overrated
Jan 05 02:02:23 <scibot> luron, I work entirely with a hard edged brush and with opacity control it's easy to control soft edges by working lightly.
Jan 05 02:03:18 <scibot> luron, Even then there's the direct painting method where you just put down the exact colours you need and not rely on blending, I know a few who pull that off really well.
Jan 05 02:03:30 <scibot> That doesn't need opacity even.
Jan 05 02:04:07 <luron> i learned to sketch with pencil, so that's basically what i want
Jan 05 02:04:14 <luron> can't re-train
Jan 05 02:05:11 <scibot> I spend 90% of my time with a pencil, but I pick up new methods as I need them.
Jan 05 02:09:13 <luron> i wonder if any paint package has a good 'software pencil' emulation
Jan 05 02:10:17 <scibot> luron, It really depends, my mechanical pencil feels way different to a charcoal pencil.
Jan 05 02:10:44 <scibot> luron, The major applications like Photoshop and Painter do enable you with enough brush options to emulate the feel.
Jan 05 02:13:22 <luron> ah
Jan 05 02:13:38 <luron> well i mostly work now with airbrush and reverse-pencil
Jan 05 02:13:45 <luron> first i sketch outlines
Jan 05 02:13:48 <luron> and base colors
Jan 05 02:13:53 <luron> then i 'paint with light'
Jan 05 02:14:14 <luron> but you should see unique311's stuff, he's pretty good
Jan 05 02:15:16 <scibot> I tend to jump into the silohuette right away and build any colours as I go along, mainly colour picking the colours that work and using that to sculpt and make it more uniform.
Jan 05 02:15:30 <unique311> i have stuff on conceptart.org
Jan 05 02:15:43 <scibot> I'm a moderator there.
Jan 05 02:15:48 <unique311> done via photoshop with a wacom table.
Jan 05 02:15:52 <unique311> cool
Jan 05 02:15:55 <unique311> sciboy?
Jan 05 02:16:00 <scibot> Yep.
Jan 05 02:16:03 <unique311> you also on the irc channel.
Jan 05 02:16:12 <scibot> I had to drop the boy since I'm not going to stay one for long. =/
Jan 05 02:16:17 <unique311> lol
Jan 05 02:16:30 <scibot> Nah, right now I'm taking a break from CA, focusing more on just cranking out art and animation.
Jan 05 02:16:56 <unique311> big fan of digital now, ever since buying my wacom
Jan 05 02:16:57 <scibot> All the studying was distracting me from doing solid illustrations and such.
Jan 05 02:17:29 <unique311> CA actually motivated me to drawing more than i was suppose to.
Jan 05 02:17:34 <scibot> I welcome the opportunity to get away from the computer, so pencil and acrylic paints keep me busy, although I have an easier time digitally.
Jan 05 02:18:06 <scibot> Same, CA got me into art in the first place.
Jan 05 02:18:10 <unique311> the difference between alot of the digital artist and me i think.
Jan 05 02:18:20 <scibot> But at this stage I do need the break.
Jan 05 02:18:42 <unique311> you give some digital artist a pen a pad, and they are lost.
Jan 05 02:19:24 <unique311> give them a wacom, and they can draw some really nice stuff.
Jan 05 02:19:26 <scibot> I know where this is going but most competent digital artists work in traditional too.
Jan 05 02:19:43 <scibot> It's hard to carry a desktop and wacom where ever you go, as opposed to a pencil and a pad.
Jan 05 02:20:14 <unique311> thats where a tablet comes into play.
Jan 05 02:20:37 <unique311> umpc's, ITs.
Jan 05 02:21:01 <scibot> Got a sketchbook on CA?
Jan 05 02:21:07 <unique311> yeah.
Jan 05 02:21:12 <unique311> pretty new.
Jan 05 02:21:20 <unique311> still trying to get thru one page..lol
Jan 05 02:21:46 <scibot> Heh, my old one reached near thousands of images on the first page.
Jan 05 02:21:54 <scibot> Become I was posting hundreds in each batch
Jan 05 02:21:55 <unique311> http://conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?p=1517696#post1517696
Jan 05 02:22:12 <scibot> It was a bandwidth raper for no apparent reason.
Jan 05 02:23:06 <unique311> i was thinking about posting my old stuff.
Jan 05 02:23:14 <scibot> Keep up the good work.
Jan 05 02:23:21 <scibot> Oh and don't bother with old stuff in a sketchbook.
Jan 05 02:23:35 <scibot> The point of the sketchbook is to keep people up to date with your current progress.
Jan 05 02:26:57 <unique311> scibot, your sketchbook still alive?
Jan 05 02:27:05 <scibot> Nope long gone and dead.
Jan 05 02:27:24 <scibot> I never got into maintaining any sort of sketchbook or gallery online, too much work.
Jan 05 02:28:24 <unique311> lately i've been working on t'shirt designs.  so taking a break from CA.
Jan 05 02:28:49 <unique311> hopefully i can have 1 design printed by feb
Jan 05 02:28:54 <unique311> and make some money.
Jan 05 02:29:49 <luron> i want to shackle all these concept art people into a basement and make them do work for open source games
Jan 05 02:30:12 <scibot> Speaking of which I'm working on art and animation for os games at the moment.
Jan 05 02:30:33 <luron> can you tell us which?
Jan 05 02:31:00 <scibot> Just a side-scrolling shooter as an intro project, only got started recently.
Jan 05 02:31:11 <scibot> Then looking at doing the cutscenes for Warzone 2100
Jan 05 02:32:08 <luron> a *lot* of that conceptart stuff makes me think of RPGs
Jan 05 02:32:41 <scibot> I'm not touching RPG's out of principle at least for now.
Jan 05 02:32:51 <scibot> I don't find them fun at all.
Jan 05 02:37:42 <rm_you> do you do 3d modeling or just 2d stuff? :P
Jan 05 02:37:52 <scibot> Both
Jan 05 02:38:10 <rm_you> hm
Jan 05 02:38:37 <scibot> I usually 2d together with 3d to crank out sprites.
Jan 05 02:38:44 <scibot> use 2d*
Jan 05 02:39:01 <scibot> *note* I'm 36 hours sleep deprived so my sentence structure has gone out the window.
Jan 05 02:39:22 <lcuk> its ok scibot, your not seeing double yet.
Jan 05 02:39:24 <lcuk> its ok scibot, your not seeing double yet.
Jan 05 02:39:31 <scibot> Heh
Jan 05 02:40:07 <luron> Niklas Jansson sometimes shows up on freenode as ArneArting
Jan 05 02:40:47 <luron> he's really versatile
Jan 05 02:40:50 <luron> http://www.conceptart.org/artimg/image.php?img=prometheus_anj/full/vitanka2.jpg
Jan 05 02:41:27 <scibot> Yep, I've sort of adopted him as an idol at the moment, something to aspire to and mimic.
Jan 05 02:41:53 <lcuk> the only real freehand computer drawings i did was on deluxepaint on the amiga!
Jan 05 02:41:57 <scibot> http://www.itchstudios.com/psg/utopia/utopia.htm
Jan 05 02:42:23 <lcuk> lost interest when they made it all too complicated
Jan 05 02:42:46 <luron> 'pencil scribbles'... sheesh
Jan 05 02:42:53 <scibot> luron, He's one of those guys who applies colours directly really well.
Jan 05 02:43:12 <scibot> None of the building and airbrushing bullshit. :P
Jan 05 02:43:18 <luron> yeah i read some of his tutorials and i have a whole directory of stuff glomed
Jan 05 02:43:28 <luron> but you can see from his 'scribbles'
Jan 05 02:43:36 <luron> in his brain he can see exactly what he wants to draw
Jan 05 02:43:43 <luron> he's not "putting it together on the paper"
Jan 05 02:44:31 <scibot> luron, Yep, actually that's the one thing I'm trying to build at the moment.
Jan 05 02:45:04 <scibot> luron, Focusing on cartooning and life studies to help make the process a little less brutal
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