**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jan 07 02:59:57 2008
Jan 07 03:40:21 * dhd|busy has compiled FFT code for the DSP
Jan 07 03:40:25 <dhd|busy> time to test it
Jan 07 03:46:52 <Lurianic> wow. was so busy before.
Jan 07 04:02:22 <tank-man> does someone know where i can get more info on what the ".desktop" file is?
Jan 07 04:02:53 <Vulcanis> google
Jan 07 04:07:59 <tank-man> do you have suggestions on other search terms to use? i am using "mime desktop os2007 OR os2008"
Jan 07 04:08:00 <astro76> tank-man: freedesktop.org
Jan 07 04:08:22 <dragorn> tank-man: it's on maemo.org under docs, if I recall
Jan 07 04:08:33 <dragorn> tank-man: Or just unpack another deb and look at it
Jan 07 04:08:39 <tank-man> thanks, i'll take a look at those two
Jan 07 04:14:55 <fysa> how do you make the videocenter the default for browser?
Jan 07 04:37:30 <fysa> mediaserv + videocenter + mplayer = wireless video heaven
Jan 07 04:39:45 <jga23_> anybody know how to remap keys in powermanga?
Jan 07 04:41:41 <|R> oh, it's out
Jan 07 04:55:10 <|R> jga23_ : does yours crashes when you die?
Jan 07 04:56:37 <jga23_> |R: yes
Jan 07 04:56:44 <jga23_> but its fun till then :)
Jan 07 04:56:48 <|R> hehe
Jan 07 04:56:52 <|R> i'm not very good ;)
Jan 07 05:09:03 <jga23_> I wish I could map the fire button to the n810 space bar
Jan 07 05:09:06 <jga23_> or enter button
Jan 07 05:35:13 <dmadd> hi all, anyone know why i can't import an os x address book-generated vcard (.vcf), into an os2008 contact list? i'm on os x, v10.4. read somewhere that it was possible. in fact i sent my tab several formats and nothing worked (tab, comma).
Jan 07 06:01:52 <fysa> anyone interested in a xbmc 'mod' for mediaserv?
Jan 07 06:02:26 <fysa> the idea is, you use videocenter to browse all media on your network via mediaserv
Jan 07 06:02:41 <fysa> so you get a reasonable interface, and easy point-and-click with the super mplayer video player.
Jan 07 06:03:14 <fysa> which works perfectly right now -- I have 720p x264 files for my HTPC here, but I can stream them with real-time transcoding..
Jan 07 06:03:22 <fysa> at reasonable resolutions to my N800
Jan 07 06:03:42 <fysa> which means anything that mplayer can play, will work.  which is basically everything.
Jan 07 06:04:33 <fysa> the xbmc/htpc 'hack' would basically modify the tablet-encode script to a POST to the built-in xbmc webserver
Jan 07 06:04:49 <fysa> or using the API -- maybe xmlrpc
Jan 07 06:05:20 <fysa> which will trigger the same media being played simultaneously on xbmc (or whatever your htpc software is)
Jan 07 06:05:31 <fysa> and the maemo device.
Jan 07 06:05:57 <fysa> ultimately, making the device a touchscreen remote for your home theater.
Jan 07 06:06:22 <fysa> set on your coffee table with RSS feeds and a complete tree of your media server collection.
Jan 07 06:06:26 <fysa> it could work for music too.
Jan 07 06:06:38 <fysa> play a song on the device, trigger it playing on your real music system
Jan 07 06:06:43 <fysa> so you can listen and 'take it with you'
Jan 07 06:06:44 <fysa> seamlessly
Jan 07 06:07:24 <fysa> the song you listen to in the car on the drive home (if you were streaming online) would be playing when you walked in the door
Jan 07 06:07:47 <|R> sounds fun :)
Jan 07 06:07:51 <fysa> if anyone here wants to test or play with such a beast, please let me know.
Jan 07 06:08:02 <|R> but can't test this right now :/
Jan 07 06:08:50 <fysa> I have a problem -- I have the skill to do much hackery, but am overwhelmed with projects and new ideas for projects -- but if I can put the pressure of an audience on myself, I'm sure I will emerge victorious over my lazy subconcious.
Jan 07 06:33:34 <Luria> and pidgin is... gone
Jan 07 06:41:54 <|R> haha wtf
Jan 07 06:42:03 <|R> Not gone for me until OTR is ported to the OS
Jan 07 06:42:59 <fysa> OTR?
Jan 07 06:43:32 <|R> off-the-record encryption
Jan 07 06:43:41 <fysa> ah
Jan 07 06:43:50 <|R> http://www.cypherpunks.ca/otr/
Jan 07 06:43:52 <|R> :)
Jan 07 06:43:54 <fysa> yes, reading now
Jan 07 06:44:02 <zoran> what goal whould you liek to fulfil?
Jan 07 06:44:07 <fysa> cool.
Jan 07 06:44:59 <|R> And it's very easy to use in pidgin :)
Jan 07 06:45:43 <zoran> the very protocol was made with no security in mind
Jan 07 06:46:23 <|R> indeed, otr fixes that :)
Jan 07 06:46:43 <zoran> I recall encryption for irc
Jan 07 06:46:52 <zoran> it wasw some patch for irssi
Jan 07 06:46:52 <|R> that's a bit harder, multi-key is a pain :|
Jan 07 06:47:03 <|R> though, we should all switch to silc :)
Jan 07 06:47:10 <zoran> lemme c
Jan 07 06:48:31 <zoran> hm, pidgin oriented
Jan 07 06:49:28 <zoran> take a look at "fish", encryption for irssi
Jan 07 06:49:40 <zoran> and mirc, also
Jan 07 06:50:17 <zoran> k, there is silc plugin for irssi, too
Jan 07 06:50:33 <|R> silc is a new protocol altogether though
Jan 07 06:50:40 <|R> but interesting :)
Jan 07 06:51:00 <Luria> anyone getting 404s from the rtcomm repo?
Jan 07 06:51:09 <zoran> people disregard encryption
Jan 07 06:51:16 <|R> yeah... that sucks
Jan 07 06:51:27 <|R> we should not have to think about it
Jan 07 06:51:33 <|R> it should just be enabled wherever possible
Jan 07 06:52:03 <zoran> |R, ms don't like enc, so most people don't, also
Jan 07 06:52:52 <|R> ms ? M$ ?
Jan 07 06:53:21 <zoran> yep
Jan 07 06:53:43 <zoran> I always write them in small cases
Jan 07 06:54:35 <zoran> |R, have you tried silc client?
Jan 07 06:54:43 <|R> a while back
Jan 07 06:55:30 <|R> basically looked like irssi
Jan 07 06:55:35 <|R> with some key management functions
Jan 07 06:55:37 <zoran> a lot of environment variables should be set
Jan 07 06:55:59 <zoran> does it work as itself or with irssi?
Jan 07 06:56:04 <|R> as itself
Jan 07 06:56:11 <zoran> irc?
Jan 07 06:56:24 <|R> no, silc?
Jan 07 06:56:38 <zoran> I mean, how do you connect irc.freenode.net?
Jan 07 06:56:45 <|R> oh, you can't...
Jan 07 06:56:51 <fysa> you know..
Jan 07 06:56:51 <|R> they use silc servers
Jan 07 06:56:58 <zoran> ah...
Jan 07 06:57:15 <|R> that's why i was saying it's a whole new protocol
Jan 07 06:57:19 <|R> the goal is a secure IRC
Jan 07 06:57:21 <zoran> there is a plugin for irssi on their site
Jan 07 06:57:29 <|R> Secure Internet Live Conferencing.. SILC :)
Jan 07 06:57:51 <|R> oh :)
Jan 07 06:58:23 <zoran> penguin-breeder.org/silc/
Jan 07 06:58:31 <|R> yeah found it :)
Jan 07 06:58:45 <fysa> we could take an RSS feed of a torrent or tvnzb site, and using mediaserv and videocenter create an intellectual property nightmare -- you queue downloads by playing them -- torrent spawns, when done tablet-encode makes sure you can play whatever it is, feeds them with mediaserv back to videocenter where you can set an unlimited number of feeds up.
Jan 07 06:58:56 <fysa> same with an nzb.
Jan 07 06:59:05 <|R> but i'd still have to convince my friends to move from an SSL irc server to that ;)
Jan 07 06:59:14 <fysa> just run a VPN.
Jan 07 06:59:21 <fysa> then SSL inside of it.
Jan 07 06:59:23 <zoran> ssl is fine
Jan 07 06:59:38 <zoran> but none want to bother even with that
Jan 07 06:59:50 <zoran> people are just too lazy
Jan 07 06:59:55 <|R> VPN to where?
Jan 07 07:00:54 <fysa> that is the killer app.
Jan 07 07:01:03 <fysa> that the openness of the N800 was designed for..
Jan 07 07:01:12 <fysa> of maemo..
Jan 07 07:01:29 <|R> killer apps for me is having ssh in my pocket
Jan 07 07:01:31 <|R> and then SIP
Jan 07 07:01:37 <|R> and a browser...
Jan 07 07:01:57 <zoran> |R, I can't get my friends to join irc, how could I make them join encryption and silc server?  :)
Jan 07 07:02:01 <|R> and plenty of fun gizmos around that ;)
Jan 07 07:03:41 <zoran> k, FiSH-irssi looks as the best solution to me
Jan 07 07:03:42 <|R> zoran : irc, i think, is out of the era where people came on #whatever-town to chat... they're now lost on crapbook
Jan 07 07:04:04 <zoran> I just liek it
Jan 07 07:04:35 <zoran> if I have a question, I don't ask a name, but a whole #channel
Jan 07 07:04:58 <|R> yeah
Jan 07 07:05:02 <zoran> my contacts are on win
Jan 07 07:05:11 <zoran> I have nothing to ask them
Jan 07 07:05:15 <|R> I don't see how this could be practical any other way
Jan 07 07:05:30 <zoran> the matter of taste  :)
Jan 07 07:05:42 <zoran> I liek this #maemo
Jan 07 07:06:34 <|R> but i still prefer a private friend channel :)
Jan 07 07:06:52 <zoran> |R, k, if I have im client, like centericq, I'm closed to what they know
Jan 07 07:06:54 <|R> (though you're pretty much left with your computer geeky friends ;)
Jan 07 07:07:31 <zoran> if I like to talk about vms, I go to #vms
Jan 07 07:07:38 <|R> Most people i know at least have OTR on their IM for some reason (most people i know don't run windows for some other reason and those other client come bundled with OTR)
Jan 07 07:07:40 <zoran> they know all answers
Jan 07 07:07:48 <|R> haha :)
Jan 07 07:07:59 * |R doesn't misses VAX ;)
Jan 07 07:08:35 <zoran> I tried to but second-hand alpha and was suprised by the prise the bloke asked for
Jan 07 07:08:41 <zoran> *buy
Jan 07 07:09:07 <|R> a friend of mine got one a long time ago
Jan 07 07:09:14 <|R> sold it back after we played with it basically...
Jan 07 07:09:17 <zoran> he should like me to help him get rid of it
Jan 07 07:09:41 <zoran> vms is vax/alpha/itanium
Jan 07 07:09:49 <|R> but they're pretty much big noisy plastic/metal cube at this point ;)
Jan 07 07:09:57 <zoran> :)
Jan 07 07:10:10 <zoran> not for home usage
Jan 07 07:10:20 <zoran> or pocket storage
Jan 07 07:10:23 <|R> haha :)
Jan 07 07:10:29 <|R> pocket alpha! as seen on TV!
Jan 07 07:10:31 <zoran> hospitals, banks
Jan 07 07:10:48 <zoran> alpha was fine, but hp killed it and digital unix
Jan 07 07:11:07 <zoran> which was better than hp-ux
Jan 07 07:11:23 <zoran> they also killed compaq laptops
Jan 07 07:11:35 <|R> i still can't understand why old unix had binaries in /etc...
Jan 07 07:11:37 <zoran> I have one, writting now
Jan 07 07:11:45 <|R> (HPUX, Irix, etc..)
Jan 07 07:11:46 <zoran> hm...
Jan 07 07:12:06 <zoran> evolution of it is a matter of one who wrote it
Jan 07 07:12:23 <zoran> bsd has teh best placement
Jan 07 07:12:41 <zoran> better than linux
Jan 07 07:13:18 <|R> how so?
Jan 07 07:13:22 <zoran> qnx could be fine for 770, if could be get free of charge
Jan 07 07:13:36 <zoran> ah, |R, linux os overbloated now
Jan 07 07:13:39 <zoran> *is
Jan 07 07:13:55 <zoran> freebsd stayed simple as it was
Jan 07 07:14:07 <zoran> no million conf files for just one thing
Jan 07 07:14:29 <|R> i don't find it bloated
Jan 07 07:14:35 <|R> but i haven't ran a bsd for a while either
Jan 07 07:14:51 <zoran> I have freebsd on both desk and laptop
Jan 07 07:15:05 <zoran> I cannot change it to linux for that reason
Jan 07 07:15:25 <zoran> linux is developing faster, must say
Jan 07 07:15:41 <|R> i mean, if i had to go bsd and get stock with no 3rd party support beside FOSS etc, or binary compat for linux... i'd probably go for OpenBSD, beeing paranoid etc... but well.. not worth it for me
Jan 07 07:16:04 <zoran> openbsd has some problem now, dunno what is going on
Jan 07 07:16:09 <|R> ah?
Jan 07 07:16:14 <zoran> bas smp support
Jan 07 07:16:18 <zoran> *bad
Jan 07 07:16:29 <zoran> bad 64 bit support
Jan 07 07:16:43 <zoran> not bad as "not working"
Jan 07 07:16:57 <zoran> just not freebsd "stable and fast"
Jan 07 07:17:43 <|R> yeah..
Jan 07 07:17:43 <zoran> freebsd is the fastest and, for future 7.0 most stable, beside vms
Jan 07 07:18:02 <vegai> linux's apparent complexity is due to the distro not due to the kernel+GNU
Jan 07 07:18:07 <zoran> people dislike bsd, since it is not for novice
Jan 07 07:18:13 <|R> but I'm afraid the bsd community won't be able to keep up at some point
Jan 07 07:18:24 <|R> i hope they do... but with everyone throwing their weight behind linux...
Jan 07 07:18:32 <vegai> BSD doesn't have the momentum, that's the problem
Jan 07 07:18:34 <|R> vegai : indeed
Jan 07 07:18:44 <zoran> vegai, what momentum?
Jan 07 07:19:07 <vegai> ok, scratch that comment
Jan 07 07:19:19 <zoran> they work on most biiiiiiiiiiig clusters
Jan 07 07:19:19 <vegai> BSD doesn't have the hype, that's the problem
Jan 07 07:19:29 <zoran> oh, I like that
Jan 07 07:19:42 <zoran> hype is for blondes
Jan 07 07:19:44 <vegai> yes, for some it's a good thing
Jan 07 07:20:00 <zoran> Theo de Raadt is my kind of guy
Jan 07 07:20:02 <vegai> but it also means that dumb execs don't get to hear about it
Jan 07 07:20:12 <zoran> "if you don't like, find something else"
Jan 07 07:20:13 <vegai> well, smart execs too
Jan 07 07:20:28 <|R> hehe
Jan 07 07:20:40 <|R> I haven't seen any widescale *BSD news for a long time :|
Jan 07 07:20:56 <zoran> and " using openbsd is privilage"
Jan 07 07:21:13 <zoran> yahoo uses them
Jan 07 07:21:17 <vegai> Plan9 or Inferno on N8xx might be interesting too, if you're interested in cool non-hyped thing
Jan 07 07:21:20 <zoran> I mean freebsd
Jan 07 07:21:21 <vegai> +s
Jan 07 07:21:35 <zoran> vegai, I have one plan9 account
Jan 07 07:21:42 <|R> hehe they still exist? i remember doing a big OS map 10 years ago with all these names ;)
Jan 07 07:21:45 <vegai> is it on a N810? :)
Jan 07 07:21:55 <zoran> www.tip9ug.jp/who/zoran
Jan 07 07:22:02 <zoran> plan9 sever
Jan 07 07:22:24 <vegai> zoran: cool.
Jan 07 07:22:24 <|R> are these OS FOSS ?
Jan 07 07:22:38 <zoran> vegai, I think qnx would be even better
Jan 07 07:22:49 <zoran> real time os is just for 770
Jan 07 07:23:01 <vegai> |R: plan9 is using an OSI certified license, don't remember which one right now
Jan 07 07:23:28 <zoran> |R, plan9 could be what you like, since they are just a buntch of desperados now
Jan 07 07:23:40 <|R> hehe
Jan 07 07:23:58 <zoran> their comando is on the list, unlike Billy
Jan 07 07:24:23 <zoran> second man gave me account on his server
Jan 07 07:24:24 <vegai> don't laugh, they just wrote an ssh2 server
Jan 07 07:24:37 <vegai> or was it client
Jan 07 07:24:48 <zoran> I dislike graphical nature of plan9, indeed
Jan 07 07:25:06 <zoran> but, it is more secure in nature than win
Jan 07 07:25:09 <zoran> no root
Jan 07 07:25:24 <|R> hehe, win is the contrary... STAY ROOT! always!
Jan 07 07:25:31 <|R> kill yourself! fast!
Jan 07 07:25:36 <zoran> I just don't get that thing
Jan 07 07:25:49 <zoran> you even cannot do mundane things as user
Jan 07 07:25:49 <|R> they don't either
Jan 07 07:25:49 <|R> haha
Jan 07 07:26:17 <zoran> my good friend says that server 2003 was their best home os
Jan 07 07:26:37 <|R> hehe
Jan 07 07:27:03 <zoran> I don't have win for so long time, that jst cannot comment
Jan 07 07:27:20 <zoran> I made rdesktop connection some time ago
Jan 07 07:27:26 <zoran> l Mb jsut to connect
Jan 07 07:27:29 <|R> never ran it as a personal OS of my life
Jan 07 07:27:38 <zoran> 1 Mb to load wordpad
Jan 07 07:27:39 <|R> only at school, etc..
Jan 07 07:27:47 <|R> got raised on macs, and fled to linux
Jan 07 07:27:47 <|R> hehe
Jan 07 07:27:50 <zoran> 1 Mb to write "test"
Jan 07 07:27:59 <zoran> 1 Mb to disconenct
Jan 07 07:28:00 <|R> haha
Jan 07 07:28:03 <zoran> maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan
Jan 07 07:28:35 <zoran> on hp testdrive site
Jan 07 07:29:13 <zoran> my neghbor installed vista and later could not got rid of it!
Jan 07 07:29:19 <blahdeblah> Is there a way to get the account details from Rhapsody on the N800 so we can login to their site over the web?
Jan 07 07:30:53 <zoran> FiSH-irssi looks implemented in irssi just like native commands
Jan 07 07:31:08 <zoran> must to try on this days
Jan 07 07:36:49 <zoran> btw, someone has britannica perl approach on linux?
Jan 07 07:48:25 <zoran> someone used mediawiki?
Jan 07 07:55:54 <Cptnodegard> the memory card readers of the n800 are fuckign slow -.-
Jan 07 07:56:13 <zoran> maybe the card is of low quality?
Jan 07 07:57:09 <Cptnodegard> no
Jan 07 07:57:15 <Cptnodegard> its a 150x card
Jan 07 07:57:21 <Cptnodegard> write speed of 20 MB per sec
Jan 07 07:57:25 <fysa> yeah, right
Jan 07 07:57:30 <fysa> theoretical
Jan 07 07:57:37 <fysa> best-case only
Jan 07 07:57:45 <fysa> find real benchmarks
Jan 07 07:57:48 <Cptnodegard> but its a 4GB, non SDHC. dunno if the fact its not SDHC somewhat confuses the n800 and slows it down
Jan 07 07:57:48 <zoran> low power?
Jan 07 07:57:59 <blahdeblah> And VFAT filesystem is a raw performance beast... ;-)
Jan 07 07:58:13 <Cptnodegard> its not theoretically, i get full speed with a USB card reader
Jan 07 07:58:14 <zoran> ah, should be formatted
Jan 07 07:58:23 <zoran> ext2 works fine to me
Jan 07 07:58:30 <Cptnodegard> ?
Jan 07 07:58:36 <zoran> !
Jan 07 07:58:39 <blahdeblah> True - but then you can't just put it in any old Windows box to transfer files.
Jan 07 07:58:40 <fysa> how fast is internal flash?
Jan 07 07:59:18 <Cptnodegard> internal card is a class 2 8gb SDHC. external one is a 150X 4GB SD
Jan 07 07:59:30 <fysa> no.. sorry, I mean the built-in flash
Jan 07 07:59:42 <Cptnodegard> no idea
Jan 07 07:59:47 <blahdeblah> zoran: Do you know if USB flash drives implement a file-based protocol?  Or do they just provide raw access to the device?
Jan 07 08:00:15 <zoran> there must be some usb-ata driver
Jan 07 08:00:28 <zoran> if it has enclosure
Jan 07 08:00:56 <zoran> penstick should be just usb
Jan 07 08:01:31 <zoran> I tried usb hdd on bsd and found it almost ridiculous
Jan 07 08:01:35 <blahdeblah> I was just wondering whether you could format a card ext3, use it natively on Linux, yet be able to plug the N800 in via USB and get access on Windows boxes.
Jan 07 08:01:51 <zoran> just don't use ext3
Jan 07 08:02:08 <zoran> it reads and writes too much over it
Jan 07 08:02:17 <blahdeblah> s/ext3/any given non-Windows filesystem/
Jan 07 08:02:17 <infobot> blahdeblah meant: I was just wondering whether you could format a card any given non-Windows filesystem, use it natively on Linux, yet be able to plug the N800 in via USB and get access on Windows boxes.
Jan 07 08:02:31 <blahdeblah> That bot's a bit too smart...
Jan 07 08:02:46 <zoran> you could format it and read on device, yes
Jan 07 08:02:57 <zoran> you just need to load a module for ext3
Jan 07 08:03:27 <blahdeblah> The part i'm wondering about is whether Windows would be able to read it via the N800's USB flash drive emulation.
Jan 07 08:03:41 <Luria> i would think so
Jan 07 08:03:57 <zoran> as I understand, usb cable unloads vfat system
Jan 07 08:04:03 <Luria> considering the internal partition is jffs2
Jan 07 08:04:22 <blahdeblah> Luria: but you can't get access to that via USB, can you?
Jan 07 08:04:27 <Luria> and is plenty readable by by windows without fs drivers
Jan 07 08:04:28 <zoran> ext3 partition stayed mounted
Jan 07 08:04:31 <blahdeblah> I only see the two card readers
Jan 07 08:04:32 <Luria> yes
Jan 07 08:04:37 <zoran> so you have to unload it first
Jan 07 08:04:43 <zoran> *unmount
Jan 07 08:04:45 <Luria> it's flakey
Jan 07 08:04:52 <blahdeblah> Luria: both cards on my system are VFAT
Jan 07 08:05:48 <Luria> ok, but the internal 256 is jffs2, and is mounted - provided there isnt any serious filesystem activity going on
Jan 07 08:06:07 <blahdeblah> How can you see the internal flash via USB?
Jan 07 08:06:20 <Luria> dunno. plug in, it works.
Jan 07 08:06:24 <Luria> tho -
Jan 07 08:06:39 <Luria> i do have the flash updater installed now that i think about it
Jan 07 08:06:50 <Luria> maybe it added a driver
Jan 07 08:06:57 <blahdeblah> When i plug my N800 into my Debian box, i only see the two card readers.
Jan 07 08:07:30 <Luria> dunno what to tell you
Jan 07 08:08:04 <Luria> but i have done it, not reliably
Jan 07 08:09:01 <Luria> sometimes there is some sort of volume locking that prohibits mounting... all that said, use scp :-)
Jan 07 08:20:33 <d^_^B> hi guys
Jan 07 08:20:41 <d^_^B> how are ya today?
Jan 07 08:21:33 <d^_^B> ?
Jan 07 08:21:37 <d^_^B> :D
Jan 07 08:21:43 <d^_^B> friends
Jan 07 08:22:42 <trickie> howdy
Jan 07 08:24:33 <d^_^B> i need the charge the nokia n810 after buy immediately???????
Jan 07 08:25:02 <X-Fade_> d^_^B: Nah, just start using it.
Jan 07 08:25:31 <d^_^B> so it dosn't need any charge 8 9 hours like mobile phones yes?
Jan 07 08:26:06 <Cptnodegard> http://www.pocketables.net/2008/01/intel-shows-tos.html
Jan 07 08:26:07 <d^_^B> the first charge
Jan 07 08:26:18 <d^_^B> are u sure dear friend?
Jan 07 08:26:23 <Cptnodegard> yes hes sure
Jan 07 08:26:24 <d^_^B> ???
Jan 07 08:26:25 <X-Fade_> d^_^B: That is really old knowledge :)
Jan 07 08:26:51 <X-Fade_> Li-ion doesn't care what you do the first time..
Jan 07 08:26:55 <Cptnodegard> d^_^B: http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24466
Jan 07 08:28:35 <d^_^B> finally need or no?
Jan 07 08:28:46 <d^_^B> for the first time after buy
Jan 07 08:29:14 <X-Fade_> 10 years ago, yes.
Jan 07 08:32:08 <d^_^B> ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh so it is not the same mobile phones exactly pocket laptop
Jan 07 08:32:33 <X-Fade_> d^_^B: Mobile phones is also the same. You don't need to do that..
Jan 07 08:32:47 <X-Fade_> li-ion goes bad by aging..
Jan 07 08:33:11 <X-Fade_> So it start to die the moment it leaves the factory. (Just as we do btw ;)
Jan 07 08:33:17 <d^_^B> but i know and hear we must do the first charge 8 9 hours after buy for these
Jan 07 08:33:38 <X-Fade_> d^_^B: It doesn't have a timer that starts when you buy it..
Jan 07 08:34:09 <d^_^B> X-Fade_ which one have u? n8*0
Jan 07 08:34:29 <X-Fade_> In a few hours I have all tablets..
Jan 07 08:34:45 <X-Fade_> My N810 is in its delivery round accoring to UPS :)
Jan 07 08:34:50 <fysa> http://ces.laptopmag.com/iriver-wing-swoops-into-umpc-territory
Jan 07 08:34:54 <fysa> anyone know which CPU this uses?
Jan 07 08:35:14 <fysa> Windows CE was ARM based wasn't it?
Jan 07 08:35:21 <d^_^B> well n800 n810 doesn't need the first charge and i can use it after buy immediately?
Jan 07 08:35:32 <fysa> that would be an attractive device if it could run Maemo/Hildon..
Jan 07 08:35:47 <X-Fade_> d^_^B: The battery won't be full, but there will be some power in it..
Jan 07 08:40:08 <jonek> my new discount code is still invalid in the german nokia store :-(
Jan 07 08:43:15 <d^_^B> :)
Jan 07 08:43:26 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Jan 07 08:50:19 <Luria> hey
Jan 07 08:51:31 <Luria> gah
Jan 07 08:51:36 <Luria> ok,bye
Jan 07 08:56:43 <blahdeblah> Question: does the native N800 media player support the scrobbling plugin that's available in extras?
Jan 07 09:00:27 <fysa> http://gizmodo.com/photogallery/intelumpcpepces/1000426195
Jan 07 09:00:40 <d^_^B> what is it?
Jan 07 09:01:32 <fysa> http://gizmodo.com/photogallery/intelumpcpepces/1000426267
Jan 07 09:01:39 <fysa> x86/Pentium-compatible
Jan 07 09:01:51 <fysa> using new Intel chipset (CES is on now)
Jan 07 09:02:22 <d^_^B> :D
Jan 07 09:02:47 <fysa> indeed
Jan 07 09:03:06 <fysa> http://gizmodo.com/341388/nbc-to-put-3600-hours-of-2008-olympic-games-on-msn-in-silverlight
Jan 07 09:03:09 <fysa> holy shit.
Jan 07 09:03:18 <fysa> 3600 hours of olympics for stream online
Jan 07 09:03:56 <d^_^B> what a cool
Jan 07 09:22:20 <pupnik_> nokia.de news?
Jan 07 09:27:53 <Cord> germany - no points.
Jan 07 09:28:22 <pupnik_> Cord: it appears nokia will force me to apply to banks to get a visa/mc card.  Is this correct?
Jan 07 09:28:47 <Cord> pupnik_: afaik yes. /me will pay with the card of a friend.
Jan 07 09:29:04 <pupnik_> can you pay with card of a friend?  the name will not match your code name
Jan 07 09:29:25 <X-Fade_> pupnik_: Doesn't matter. You can even give your code away..
Jan 07 09:29:42 <pupnik_> don't tempt me
Jan 07 09:30:01 <Cord> pupnik_: we'll see. but as some successful appliers didn't even give something that looks like a name...
Jan 07 09:30:03 <X-Fade_> My N810 is in UPS delivery round at the moment. I can't wait! :)
Jan 07 09:30:24 <pupnik_> ok thanks for the info Cord
Jan 07 09:30:41 <AD-N770> bon dia i bon any nou / good morning and happy new year
Jan 07 09:31:15 <Cord> AD-N770: which timezonbe are you in? it is 7th Jan here already ;-)
Jan 07 09:31:45 <wnd> order status: open. I wonder what that means.
Jan 07 09:32:10 <X-Fade_> Cord: GMT+144 ;)
Jan 07 09:32:31 <Cord> :-)
Jan 07 09:34:36 <jkyro> hi, anybody have knowledge about chinook installation?
Jan 07 09:35:09 <jkyro> I have bora SDK installed I'd like to keep that and setup a separate target for chinook
Jan 07 09:35:32 <jkyro> is it enough to just get the glibc2.5 toolchain and run the sdk install script?
Jan 07 09:35:43 <pupnik_> Anybody with a phone call 800-244-6397, enter 2406 then listen to the recorded questio nand press '4'
Jan 07 09:35:46 <pupnik_> new poll
Jan 07 09:37:01 <Monkulus> what kind of poll?
Jan 07 09:37:18 <wnd> google says "800 244-6397 Telephone Poll | Ron Paul for President 2008 - Ron ..."
Jan 07 09:37:32 <Luria> oh joy
Jan 07 09:42:07 <pupnik_> Do it or the TERRORISTS will win!
Jan 07 09:42:53 <cesman> when the executive office bends the public over and congress does nothing....
Jan 07 09:43:04 <cesman> the terrorist have already won
Jan 07 09:43:13 <cesman> well, the "war on terror" is bs
Jan 07 09:43:46 <pupnik_> yep
Jan 07 09:45:14 <maddler> morning all...
Jan 07 09:46:13 <vegai> pupnik_: that sucks.
Jan 07 09:46:46 <vegai> and Linux is GNU?
Jan 07 09:46:49 <vegai> sheesh.
Jan 07 09:47:49 <dpb_> :s
Jan 07 09:48:24 <b0unc3> good morning...
Jan 07 09:48:27 <Luria> If you use maemo, richard stallman wins!
Jan 07 09:52:23 <pupnik_> vegai: agree, but if cords is right i can use a friend's card
Jan 07 09:54:01 <vegai> you're just mudding up the polls. That's information terrorism :P
Jan 07 09:54:13 <pupnik_> oh that
Jan 07 09:54:38 <pupnik_> telling people how to vote is what the media does ALL DAY
Jan 07 09:54:42 <vegai> oh, sorry for carrying on a non-topic conversation :)
Jan 07 09:54:42 <pupnik_> so I will do it.
Jan 07 09:56:09 <pupnik_> don't bother me
Jan 07 09:56:35 <pupnik_> i'm not doing any maemo development yet
Jan 07 09:59:25 <Knirch> Luria: how do you recon?
Jan 07 10:00:11 <Luria> eh, just playing with the ...the terrorists win meme being thrown around
Jan 07 10:23:14 <unique311_> hello
Jan 07 10:23:17 <unique311_> anybody home
Jan 07 10:23:18 <unique311_> ?
Jan 07 10:26:52 <lardman> morning
Jan 07 10:27:17 <lardman> anyone know what the Nokia express delivery provides?
Jan 07 10:27:41 <X-Fade_> lardman: UPS express?
Jan 07 10:28:18 <lardman> I seem to remember seeing UPS somewhere...
Jan 07 10:28:35 <X-Fade_> lardman: My package is being delivered as UPS Standard.
Jan 07 10:29:09 <lardman> I ticked express on Friday afternoon, then after paying saw that they don't deliver on weekends, and have received an email today to say it's just shipped
Jan 07 10:29:20 <lardman> I'd expected express to be next (business) day
Jan 07 10:29:33 <X-Fade_> lardman: Yeah, don't use express on Friday :)
Jan 07 10:29:43 <X-Fade_> You will get ripped of :)
Jan 07 10:29:47 <X-Fade_> off
Jan 07 10:29:54 <lardman> strange it couldn't be moved over the weekend even if it's not delivered
Jan 07 10:30:07 <lardman> anyway, only ~£6 extra, I'm sure I'll survive
Jan 07 10:30:33 <X-Fade_> UPS does deliver on Saturday though. But that costs a lot more..
Jan 07 10:30:44 <lardman> http://www.ups.com/content/gb/en/shipping/time/service/index.html?WT.svl=SubNav
Jan 07 10:31:05 <lardman> I see it says that they should deliver in one business day by 12noon
Jan 07 10:31:26 <lardman> perhaps I should slope off home and wait :)
Jan 07 10:31:27 <X-Fade_> So they still have 1.5 hours for your package ;)
Jan 07 10:31:52 <lardman> ah, that's the problem, I checked my email this morning and Nokia said it had shipped, so I assumed it wouldn't be delivered today
Jan 07 10:31:58 <X-Fade_> I have Standard and that is before the end of this day..
Jan 07 10:32:06 <lardman> ah well, I'll go home at lunch time and see if I've got a card through the door
Jan 07 10:32:13 <X-Fade_> lardman: Use the UPS tracking code..
Jan 07 10:32:45 <lardman> hmm, I don't see one
Jan 07 10:32:49 <X-Fade_> If it is 'Out for delivery' you will know for sure..
Jan 07 10:33:29 <X-Fade_> Tracking Number: 1ZXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Jan 07 10:33:42 <lardman> I don't have one on my email
Jan 07 10:34:02 <X-Fade_> You can check your order status too? On the Nokia shop website?
Jan 07 10:34:27 <X-Fade_> They have that on direct.n.c at least..
Jan 07 10:34:30 <kulve> lardman: it took day before I got the mail including the tracking code
Jan 07 10:34:39 <kulve> or more even
Jan 07 10:34:57 <X-Fade_> kulve: Yeah and I got it 21:00 hours ;)
Jan 07 10:35:00 <kulve> and I made the order on friday and it's not even left the place yet
Jan 07 10:35:06 <lardman> ah well, hopefully it'll be here before the email :)
Jan 07 10:35:15 <unique311_> i usually bother them as soon as they open on the day my package is suppose to arrive, and make sure i recieve it.
Jan 07 10:35:45 <hendry> who wrote http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/install.html ?
Jan 07 10:36:49 <lardman> at least the depot is only ~30min drive away
Jan 07 10:37:45 <lardman> kulve: we have more interest in the DSP, dhd|sleep has written a task which does an FFT
Jan 07 10:37:59 <sp3000> hendry: pfft, it's right there in the html metadata! (whether it's accurate, who knows)
Jan 07 10:38:25 <lardman> Anyone remember how long it takes to get a garage project created?
Jan 07 10:38:46 <sp3000> but considering it's the same name as the list announcement, I'd think it's plausible
Jan 07 10:38:49 <X-Fade_> lardman: Until Ferenc sees it?
Jan 07 10:38:57 <kulve> direct.nokia.com tracking: cOrderTracking.aspx.vb:GetOrderTrackingDetails - These columns don't currently have unique values.
Jan 07 10:40:04 <lardman> X-Fade_: oh right, he may still be on his hols I guess
Jan 07 10:40:41 <X-Fade_> lardman: Last project is approved on 3/1, so it is pretty up to date ;)
Jan 07 10:40:57 <lardman> Feels like a long time, but I only applied on the 3rd
Jan 07 10:41:09 <lardman> I'll just be at least a little bit patient :)
Jan 07 10:41:46 <X-Fade_> I think timeless can also do that, but I'm not sure..
Jan 07 10:41:58 <kulve> it seems that some people have got a confirmation email including only the nokia order code and some (like I) have received also the UPS info in the email..
Jan 07 10:42:26 <lardman> X-Fade_: that's ok, just felt like a long time (shopping in Ikea does that!)
Jan 07 10:42:31 <lardman> kulve: I see
Jan 07 10:42:54 <X-Fade_> kulve: I had a different tracking code in orderstatus. That one was invalid :)
Jan 07 10:43:05 <X-Fade_> kulve: But the one in the email was correct.
Jan 07 10:43:22 <kulve> "in orderstatus"?
Jan 07 10:43:24 <lardman> maddler: ping
Jan 07 10:43:33 <X-Fade_> kulve: The online order status page..
Jan 07 10:43:52 <kulve> X-Fade_: it just gives an error to me..
Jan 07 10:43:59 <X-Fade_> Omg, I just saw the UPS truck pass my house..
Jan 07 10:44:03 <hendry> sp3000: whoa, meta data was used :)
Jan 07 10:44:07 <kulve> X-Fade_: :)
Jan 07 10:44:15 <unique311_> is it possible to be an unknown famous person?
Jan 07 10:44:31 <lardman> the stig?
Jan 07 10:44:32 <X-Fade_> I hope that he is still looking to find my house..
Jan 07 10:44:47 <lardman> unique311_: but you'd need to watch Top Gear to get that one
Jan 07 10:44:57 <unique311_> hmmm
Jan 07 10:45:18 <X-Fade_> The Stig is pretty cool yeah ;)
Jan 07 10:45:19 <unique311_> can't i just google it
Jan 07 10:45:22 <lardman> unique311_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Stig
Jan 07 10:46:11 <unique311_> cool
Jan 07 10:46:39 <unique311_> http://www.mlahanas.de/Greeks/Arts/Nike/Nike2.jpg
Jan 07 10:46:54 <unique311_> the artist who did this sculpture is unknown
Jan 07 10:47:02 <unique311_> and suposedly is famous.
Jan 07 10:47:32 <unique311_> i don't unknown and famous falling into the same sentence.
Jan 07 10:47:41 <unique311_> but the stig proved me wrong.
Jan 07 10:49:07 <unique311_> maybe its famous sculpture, unknown artist.
Jan 07 10:50:13 <unique311_> but the question is...  Famous Sculptor: Who produced, Nike of Samothrace Statue?
Jan 07 10:50:41 <lardman> Are you doing a pub quiz? ;)
Jan 07 10:51:24 <unique311_> sorry, its a question that popped up on another channel i'm in.
Jan 07 10:51:38 <unique311_> one of those survey bots
Jan 07 10:51:50 <lardman> :)
Jan 07 10:54:39 <maddler> lardman: pong
Jan 07 10:55:07 <unique311_> I think i should start a maemo general chat irc channel....this is a dev channel, correct?
Jan 07 10:55:23 <lardman> maddler: I was wondering if I could get a blog setup?
Jan 07 10:55:33 <lardman> maddler: please
Jan 07 10:59:02 <Veggen> unique: I think it's easier to start a #maemo-dev.
Jan 07 10:59:21 <Veggen> unique: simply because users will not find a #maemo-general
Jan 07 10:59:24 <Veggen> (or similar)
Jan 07 11:18:19 <maddler> lardman|away: sure!
Jan 07 11:19:37 <Cptn-N800> School ftl
Jan 07 11:20:25 <maddler> Cptn-N800: having fun with pidgin? :)
Jan 07 11:20:48 <Cptn-N800> Very much ^^
Jan 07 11:20:53 <maddler> haha
Jan 07 11:21:02 <maddler> my N810 is on its way at last! :D
Jan 07 11:21:19 <Cptn-N800> Eta?
Jan 07 11:22:10 <wnd> "UPS could not locate the shipment details for your request. Please verify your information and try again later."
Jan 07 11:23:04 <maddler> Cptn-N800: I'd say tomorrow...
Jan 07 11:23:48 <Veggen> Hmm. New broadband-router is on its way, my broadband vendor says. I'm not sure I like it, cause my broadband-router has worked without a hiccup for the last five years at least, and I didn't ask for a new one.
Jan 07 11:24:01 <maddler> even if I KNOW the courier will try to deliver right when no1 at home... ;)
Jan 07 11:25:29 <Blafasel> Veggen: So don't replace it?
Jan 07 11:26:05 <Veggen> Blafasel: Mmm, well. I expect they want the old one back..
Jan 07 11:26:24 <Veggen> And there might be a reason I need a new one, that is the old one will actually stop work.
Jan 07 11:26:26 <Blafasel> After 5 years?
Jan 07 11:26:29 <Cptn-N800> Lol nice maddler!
Jan 07 11:26:49 <lardman> maddler: thanks, what info do you need from me?
Jan 07 11:27:03 <Blafasel> Credit card no? :)
Jan 07 11:27:15 <lardman> lol
Jan 07 11:27:28 <lardman> which one, I've got a list here of 300,000....
Jan 07 11:28:09 <Veggen> Blafasel: Wish they'd told me why, instead of just sending a mail that "your new broadband router is on it's way".
Jan 07 11:28:36 <Blafasel> Veggen: Call the customer support hotline, ask politely? ;)
Jan 07 11:29:09 <Cptn-N800> Ask politely meaning swear
Jan 07 11:29:47 <Blafasel> Lunch time.. And still no N810 to take with me. Darn.
Jan 07 11:32:42 <maddler> lardman|away: send me a mail with your desired blog name to maddler@eth0.it and I'll send you login informations...
Jan 07 11:50:50 <Luria> grrr anyone here use x-wrt?
Jan 07 11:57:30 <blahdeblahN800> Am i right in thinking that there's no video chat support in Skype on N800?
Jan 07 11:58:03 <Luria> yes
Jan 07 11:58:44 <blahdeblahN800> Luria: :-(
Jan 07 11:59:03 <Luria> whatever - the video camera sucks anyway
Jan 07 11:59:17 <blahdeblahN800> So it's only with SIP that i can do a video chat?
Jan 07 11:59:21 <Luria> i rarely use it, even when supported
Jan 07 11:59:32 <blahdeblahN800> True - the camera does suck.
Jan 07 11:59:53 <Luria> or jabber, if you cant find another client that does the whole jingle thing
Jan 07 12:00:12 <Luria> which is usually another n8x0
Jan 07 12:00:52 <Luria> but, it rare to have such reliable and low latency bandwidth on the go
Jan 07 12:01:22 <Luria> and if im at home, id prefer my desktop anyway
Jan 07 12:01:31 <Luria> doont get me wrong - it would be nice
Jan 07 12:01:52 <Luria> but i wouldnt be too upset about it
Jan 07 12:05:37 <Cptn-N800> I use my cell's cam and send it tothis one with bt
Jan 07 12:06:44 <X-Fade_> Woohoo! UPS showed up ;)
Jan 07 12:09:55 <X-Fade_> F*ck, I got a QWERTZ version :( What a mayor screw up..
Jan 07 12:10:38 <blahdeblahN800> How do i get rid of the
Jan 07 12:10:44 <X-Fade_> Hmm it says NL version soo on the box. But NL doesn't use qwertz..
Jan 07 12:10:47 <blahdeblahN800> completion bar at the bottom of the screen?
Jan 07 12:13:25 <blahdeblahN800> Whenever i use my bluetooth keyboard for a while, this large grey completion bar, and i can't seem to get rid of it?
Jan 07 12:13:46 <blahdeblahN800> s/bar/bar appears/
Jan 07 12:13:46 <infobot> blahdeblahN800 meant: Whenever i use my bluetooth keyboard for a while, this large grey completion bar appears, and i can't seem to get rid of it?
Jan 07 12:16:15 <henrique> maemo comes with a default IM application? if yes, which application is that?
Jan 07 12:16:23 <kulve> google talk?
Jan 07 12:17:12 <henrique> nah :)
Jan 07 12:17:27 <kulve> skype is somehow supported. It's there to download by nokia or something
Jan 07 12:18:45 <kulve> skype is provided by "commercial partner"
Jan 07 12:18:45 <blahdeblahN800> henrique: It's a Nokia app that supports Google talk, Jabber, and SIP.
Jan 07 12:18:59 <kulve> oh yeah, I forgot they added the sip support in os2008
Jan 07 12:19:07 <kulve> I haven't yet tried it
Jan 07 12:19:08 <blahdeblahN800> Skype is a separate app.
Jan 07 12:20:31 <henrique> blahdeblahN800, which application is that?
Jan 07 12:20:40 <blahdeblahN800> I leave Skype, the default IM chat program, and Pidgin running all the time.
Jan 07 12:21:30 <henrique> is it just "default IM chat program" or it has a name?
Jan 07 12:21:30 <keesj> I strongly belive that the maemo platform really can prove that linux-video calling is ready for the real world. compared to creating a desktop app it's easy because all the hardware is known
Jan 07 12:21:44 <X-Fade_> keesj: Did you order a N810 too?
Jan 07 12:22:21 <keesj> and video callling is really fun if it is not in the dark computer room
Jan 07 12:22:26 <blahdeblahN800> henrique: It's just called "Chat"
Jan 07 12:22:31 <keesj> X-Fade_: yes, and it is out for delivery!
Jan 07 12:22:50 <X-Fade_> keesj: Don't be to pleased. You will get a QWERTZ keyboard.
Jan 07 12:23:05 <keesj> first thing I will try will be gizmo
Jan 07 12:23:09 <X-Fade_> keesj: Nokia packaged the wrong hardware keyboards for NL.
Jan 07 12:23:31 <keesj> hmmm . happy happy joy joy.
Jan 07 12:23:34 <X-Fade_> keesj: The bundle CH,AT and NL versions with the german layout :(
Jan 07 12:23:56 <blahdeblahN800> keesj: What's gizmo?  I've heard of it somewhere...
Jan 07 12:24:16 <X-Fade_> I have just made a claim to replace it, but that needs a lot of communication inside Nokia :(
Jan 07 12:25:07 <keesj> just google it . it is a viop solution. it workds quite good and is really easy to use. I even manged to video talk with other people and call my own home phone
Jan 07 12:25:58 <keesj> X-Fade_: I will see how it goes. I guess I will use the device moostly for testing
Jan 07 12:26:03 <blahdeblahN800> Cool - i'll check it out
Jan 07 12:26:34 <X-Fade_> keesj: Whatever it takes, they are going to replace mine ;) I'll make sure of that..
Jan 07 12:26:48 <keesj> the current downside of gizmo is that the linux desktop client does not support video calling
Jan 07 12:28:17 <MoRpHeUz> keesj: and skype for desktop supports...haha...it's funny =)
Jan 07 12:28:27 <MoRpHeUz> (somehow)
Jan 07 12:30:02 <keesj> MoRpHeUz:  I created two bug reports in the skype jire bugtracker
Jan 07 12:30:57 <MoRpHeUz> hehe =)
Jan 07 12:31:23 <keesj> and now with my brand new machine (acer amd 64) skype on the linux desktop is broken again. lol
Jan 07 12:31:36 <MoRpHeUz> haha...
Jan 07 12:32:19 <blahdeblahN800> What do you need to get a python development environment going for maemo?  Can you just start writing scripts and executing them from the command line?
Jan 07 12:32:46 <keesj> I really don't know who will be the first to provide video over the different platforms (mac/linux/maemo/windos)
Jan 07 12:33:10 <keesj> blahdeblahN800: on the device itself?
Jan 07 12:33:24 <blahdeblahN800> Yeah
Jan 07 12:33:51 <blahdeblahN800> I just want to be able to do little bits & pieces of fiddling
Jan 07 12:34:36 <jkyro> anybody know what happened to gdbm headers? no libgdbm-dev in chinook
Jan 07 12:35:27 <X-Fade_> jkyro: They are intentionally left out.
Jan 07 12:36:07 <X-Fade_> jkyro: Every lib that is not on the device by default is left out. You should upload those to extras if you require them in your application.
Jan 07 12:36:14 <keesj> I made a foto of just before i went for holiday, try to count the number of gadgets and say if i really need a qwerty keyboard? http://www.keesj.dds.nl/pc201096.jpg
Jan 07 12:36:47 <X-Fade_> jkyro: They do that to never require a user to use the SDK repositories for clients software installations..
Jan 07 12:37:18 <Dist> blahdeblahN800: You need stage.maemo.org, then just apt-get install it
Jan 07 12:37:21 <keesj> blahdeblahN800: there is a pygtkeditor with a run button
Jan 07 12:37:53 <jkyro> hmm
Jan 07 12:38:36 <X-Fade_> keesj: Yeah you do ;)
Jan 07 12:39:01 <blahdeblahN800> I tried to install pygtkeditor on my system and it failed due to missing dependencies.  Is there a way i can see from the command line what is missing?
Jan 07 12:39:06 <keesj> i guess this pictures tels a lot about me :p
Jan 07 12:39:28 <keesj> blahdeblahN800: even from the gui there is a menu option showing the log
Jan 07 12:39:34 <X-Fade_> keesj: "Woonbootjes" :)
Jan 07 12:39:50 <blahdeblahN800> keesj: Thanks - i'll check it out
Jan 07 12:39:51 <jkyro> X-Fade_: so there's no repository that contains the headers unless people have bothered to upload them?
Jan 07 12:40:24 <X-Fade_> jkyro: Yep. But you can take the headers from mistral as those are the same version (in this case)
Jan 07 12:40:58 <X-Fade_> jkyro: But the new policy is to upload every lib that is not on the device by default.
Jan 07 12:41:12 <keesj> i needed dropjes for during the trip
Jan 07 12:41:33 <X-Fade_> keesj: Sure, can't go on a trip without them.
Jan 07 12:42:14 <keesj> and the tomtom shows where i live
Jan 07 12:43:15 <X-Fade_> keesj: A'dam?
Jan 07 12:43:26 <keesj> yes
Jan 07 12:43:50 <trickie> keesj: hey i work not too far from there
Jan 07 12:45:14 <keesj> interesting. how far?
Jan 07 12:45:24 <MoRpHeUz> keesj: are you coming to openbossa ?
Jan 07 12:45:28 <MoRpHeUz> ops
Jan 07 12:45:30 <MoRpHeUz> bossaconference
Jan 07 12:45:31 <MoRpHeUz> =)
Jan 07 12:46:09 <trickie> keesj: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&time=&date=&ttype=&q=Joan+Muyskenweg,+North+Holland,+The+Netherlands&sll=52.379528,4.884533&sspn=0.008488,0.020084&ie=UTF8&cd=1&geocode=0,52.331257,4.914196&z=15&iwloc=addr&om=1
Jan 07 12:46:13 <trickie> not too far
Jan 07 12:46:17 <trickie> a few blocks a guess
Jan 07 12:46:41 <trickie> in the amstel business park
Jan 07 12:47:33 <keesj> MoRpHeUz: I would love to. but it is not planned yet
Jan 07 12:47:53 <MoRpHeUz> keesj: it would be nice to have you around! =)
Jan 07 12:49:43 <keesj> MoRpHeUz: I don't mind either :p. I will try to register for a lighting talk at FOSDEM it hope to show some cool canola/mamona stuff
Jan 07 12:49:54 <MoRpHeUz> great! =)
Jan 07 13:02:00 <dike> hello
Jan 07 13:02:07 <henrique> it seems that there is no "chat" program in maemo's repositories, all that I find is "osso-chat-ui"
Jan 07 13:02:40 <henrique> is there a package somewhere else or somebody knows the package name in repository?
Jan 07 13:03:04 <dike> anyone can suggest me how to make a simple script to execute 3 line on x terminal?
Jan 07 13:03:40 <kulve> create it on your desktop, scp to the device, run from the terminal..
Jan 07 13:04:04 <dike> on n810?
Jan 07 13:05:15 <dike> there is an application to make script on n810?
Jan 07 13:05:43 <kulve> vi, piko, notes
Jan 07 13:06:01 <kulve> or was it nano, not piko..
Jan 07 13:06:03 <wnd> dike, are you thinkin of shell-scripts or something like os x's script creator gui?
Jan 07 13:06:17 <dike> shell sript
Jan 07 13:06:28 <pyhimys> dike: cat > yer-script
Jan 07 13:06:42 <dike> ty ill try to find it
Jan 07 13:06:49 <dike> i'm so noob on linux :P
Jan 07 13:06:56 <pyhimys> then type the commands you like
Jan 07 13:07:19 <pyhimys> crtl-d on a newline when you want to finish
Jan 07 13:07:37 <kulve> dike: I think the easiest way is to install ssh server. Then edit the file on your desktop computer and copy it to the device. Then run it from the xterm on the device
Jan 07 13:08:01 <dike> just a sec
Jan 07 13:08:08 <dike> i think i explained it wrong
Jan 07 13:08:25 <dike> i want's a script to gain root acces
Jan 07 13:08:29 <dike> from x terminal
Jan 07 13:08:44 <kulve> why do you need root access?
Jan 07 13:08:48 <pyhimys> install becomeroot?
Jan 07 13:08:57 <dike> alredy intalled
Jan 07 13:09:22 <dike> don't like to write every time sudo gainroot
Jan 07 13:09:53 <dike> can make a script to let it auto executing that command for example?
Jan 07 13:10:43 <alterego> dike, not to mention it's a security risk :P
Jan 07 13:10:53 <dike> yes ofc i know
Jan 07 13:10:55 <dike> :P
Jan 07 13:11:22 <alterego> dike, I'd suggest edit your /etc/sudoers file to give access to whatever commands your script needs, with the NOPASS option
Jan 07 13:12:11 <dike> can you explain me how to edit it
Jan 07 13:12:14 <dike> or is too long?
Jan 07 13:12:34 <alterego> Just look at the file in a text editor. It's pretty self explanatory
Jan 07 13:13:21 <dike> with note application installed on n810?
Jan 07 13:13:27 <dike> thik i can't browse it :/
Jan 07 13:13:30 <alterego> No, I'd use 'vi'.
Jan 07 13:13:34 <alterego> Or 'nano' if you can install it.
Jan 07 13:13:49 <alterego> The Note application corrupts plain text files with a UTF header.
Jan 07 13:13:50 <dike> think there is nano
Jan 07 13:14:26 <alterego> maemopad is probably a better bet. I think that does plain text.
Jan 07 13:15:40 <mgedmin> dike, alterego: I strongly recommed using visudo to edit /etc/sudoers
Jan 07 13:15:49 <mgedmin> it checks for syntax errors and doesn't let you break the system as easily
Jan 07 13:15:58 <mgedmin> you can use any text editor with it, e.g. EDITOR=nano visudo
Jan 07 13:16:13 <mgedmin> although I don't know about GUI ones -- maemo uses weird dbus stuff for launching programs
Jan 07 13:16:34 <dike> where i can get visudo for n810?
Jan 07 13:16:39 <keesj> trickie: do you work in the embedded world?
Jan 07 13:16:40 <kulve> mgedmin: I think the apps can be launched normally still
Jan 07 13:16:57 <trickie> keesj: nah, but hoping to get started soon
Jan 07 13:17:08 <trickie> keesj: mainly web dev and sysadmin ATM
Jan 07 13:17:57 <trickie> fairly interested in the kernel side of things... trying to get systemtap working and some tapsets for profiling stuff like DSP
Jan 07 13:18:38 <trickie> keesj: you?
Jan 07 13:26:42 <hendry> has anyone here packaged up Sun's CDC for chinook?
Jan 07 13:28:20 <alterego> As far as I know there is a compiled java virtual machine some where. But it's not debianized or hildonized.
Jan 07 13:28:41 <keesj> trickie: yes, i switched one year ago (from java/web) and happy ever since
Jan 07 13:29:14 <keesj> I don't think is even had graphics
Jan 07 13:29:35 <trickie> keesj: i will have to meet ya at fosdem... pick your brain a bit... i would like to get started properly
Jan 07 13:59:06 <Sho_> Cord: Any changes on your end?
Jan 07 14:01:24 <Cord> Sho_: nope.
Jan 07 14:04:02 <Sho_> Cord: Me neither. I'm pondering calling the store's support hotline, or have you done that already?
Jan 07 14:04:29 <Tak> what's up, maemers?  Did somebody write a library over the weekend that makes DSP programming trivial, and also prepares bacon on dbus request?
Jan 07 14:04:52 <alterego> Tak, well. It was on my todo list. But then I ate pizza and watched some TV.
Jan 07 14:05:04 <Cord> Sho_: not me but... read http://blogdoch.net/index.php?entry=entry080104-195942
Jan 07 14:05:14 * Tak curses television once again
Jan 07 14:06:17 <Tak> is anybody in here DataPath from ITT?
Jan 07 14:08:02 <Sho_> Cord: :/
Jan 07 14:09:52 <Tak> unique311_: ping gngeo
Jan 07 14:11:42 <Cord> Sho_: another collegue also tried it some time ago, but he only earned something like 'we are not aware that there is a discount program', but they promised to investigate. that is now two or three weeks ago.
Jan 07 14:12:17 <Sho_> fun
Jan 07 14:12:48 <matmo> hi all. I have followed wiki "becomeroot" instructions but cannot find the "becomeroot" package. Any ideas?
Jan 07 14:16:26 <mgedmin> matmo: use some other approach?
Jan 07 14:16:53 <mgedmin> or look harder?
Jan 07 14:17:00 <mgedmin> matmo: which OS?
Jan 07 14:17:18 <mgedmin> and do you have ssh client/server installed?
Jan 07 14:17:38 <alterego> Interwesting .. No order tracking ..
Jan 07 14:17:38 <matmo> mgedmin: hmmm, if I hadn't already spent the last hour trying then I wouldn't be here. 770 with latest 2007HE
Jan 07 14:18:31 <matmo> no other packages installed except xterm. Intended for GF so only intend to load least possible for tuning various things
Jan 07 14:18:38 <Cord> Sho_: but maybe... if you have time to spare ;-)
Jan 07 14:18:50 <gnuton> Hi
Jan 07 14:19:27 <mgedmin> matmo: in that case, why do you need becomeroot? ;)
Jan 07 14:19:53 <matmo> to disable metalayer-crawler
Jan 07 14:20:18 <matmo> ;-)
Jan 07 14:20:35 <mgedmin> matmo: I've got an old version of becomeroot (0.1) here: http://mg.pov.lt/770/dists/mistral/obsolete/binary-armel/becomeroot_0.1-1_armel.deb
Jan 07 14:20:49 <mgedmin> there was version 0.2 somewhere that worked differently
Jan 07 14:20:54 <mgedmin> and perhaps more reliably
Jan 07 14:21:30 <pupnik_> Cord: i gave the link to nokia.de in an online feedback form and asked some questions - last week - no response yet
Jan 07 14:21:45 <pupnik_> link to maemo discount program to nokia.de
Jan 07 14:23:37 <matmo> mgedmin: thanks, I will try your link. Any views on easyroot (http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14583)? I am hesitant to install such software from unknown source.
Jan 07 14:23:50 <mgedmin> I haven't tried it
Jan 07 14:23:58 <mgedmin> I've tried becomeroot 0.1
Jan 07 14:24:15 <mgedmin> IIRC it modifies /etc/sudoers in postinst and adds a rule that lets you sudo to root with no password
Jan 07 14:24:31 <matmo> ok
Jan 07 14:24:36 <mgedmin> becomeroot 0.2 was changed not to muck with /etc/sudoers and instead modifies the /usr/sbin/gainroot script to remove the R&D mode check
Jan 07 14:25:20 <mgedmin> nowadays I ssh to root@localhost and edit /etc/sudoers manually
Jan 07 14:26:27 <matmo> ok, ssh maybe more flexible option since I can admin her tablet from my PC. Thanks for your help.
Jan 07 14:28:44 <mgedmin> if you decide to install ssh, don't forget to change the root password
Jan 07 14:28:52 <matmo> ok
Jan 07 14:29:01 <X-Fade_> mgedmin: It forces you to change it on install nowadays..
Jan 07 14:29:36 <mgedmin> X-Fade_: the os2008 version, yes, but was the os2007 version updated?
Jan 07 14:29:46 <matmo> doesn't appear to be
Jan 07 14:30:02 <X-Fade_> mgedmin: I only use 2008 :)
Jan 07 14:31:55 <michele_> hello I have a brand new N810 and Skype fails to install
Jan 07 14:32:04 <michele_> it says it can't find two libraries
Jan 07 14:32:09 <michele_> libhildon-something
Jan 07 14:32:15 <michele_> what's up?
Jan 07 14:34:10 <Tak> has there been a skype release for os2008 yet?
Jan 07 14:34:19 <X-Fade_> Sure, several.
Jan 07 14:34:29 <michele_> it's in the menu
Jan 07 14:34:40 <michele_> I just clicked the icon
Jan 07 14:34:58 <truls> is os2008 for n800 "supported" now, or still something for early adopters?
Jan 07 14:35:00 <michele_> maybe it needs some not-yet-official updates?
Jan 07 14:35:33 <X-Fade_> michele_: No, it should just install. Maybe try it from the application installer?
Jan 07 14:37:35 <michele_> this thing is damn sleek, by the way
Jan 07 14:37:42 <sKaBoy> michele_, do you have the latest firmware?
Jan 07 14:37:52 <michele_> don't know
Jan 07 14:37:55 <sKaBoy> maybe you need it, don't know :)
Jan 07 14:37:56 <michele_> I just unboxed it
Jan 07 14:38:03 <michele_> how do I check?
Jan 07 14:38:44 <mgedmin> truls: it's "supported"
Jan 07 14:38:55 <mgedmin> i.e. there's an official non-beta release of os2008 for the n800
Jan 07 14:39:00 <truls> great
Jan 07 14:39:02 <truls> thanks
Jan 07 14:39:06 <truls> maybe time to move on then
Jan 07 14:39:16 <mgedmin> yep, it's beautiful
Jan 07 14:39:23 <mgedmin> and the menus are more convenient
Jan 07 14:39:40 <truls> i'm guessing mplayer is available
Jan 07 14:39:43 <mgedmin> there are downsides, e.g. check if the software you use was ported
Jan 07 14:39:49 <truls> how?
Jan 07 14:39:56 <michele_> same error...
Jan 07 14:40:00 <truls> individual project's webpages?
Jan 07 14:40:00 <mgedmin> maemo.org/downloads/OS2008
Jan 07 14:40:05 <truls> ah, thanks
Jan 07 14:40:39 <michele_> packages missing: libhildonfm2 >= 1:1.9.49 and libhildonmime0 >= 1.10.1
Jan 07 14:41:27 <truls> that page is so strange though
Jan 07 14:41:32 <truls> no way to view all 96 entries
Jan 07 14:41:33 <truls> afaik
Jan 07 14:41:35 <mgedmin> michele_: IIRC there was one OS2008 update
Jan 07 14:41:39 <mgedmin> maybe you still have the first version
Jan 07 14:41:49 <mgedmin> you could check: control panel -> device -> about
Jan 07 14:42:06 <michele_> 1.2007.42-19
Jan 07 14:43:03 <mgedmin> http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/first_official_os2008_update.html
Jan 07 14:43:15 <mgedmin> you'll want to upgrade to http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php?f=RX-44_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin
Jan 07 14:43:26 <michele_> thank you
Jan 07 14:47:20 <keesj> bugger ups was at my door and i was not in.......
Jan 07 14:47:38 <Tak> that's why I always leave a bear trap
Jan 07 14:47:50 <keesj> lol
Jan 07 14:48:28 <keesj> I was in the whole day , and i just went out for 30 minutes
Jan 07 14:48:46 <keesj> I want to get on my bicicle and find the damm bus
Jan 07 14:48:49 <Cord> murphy.
Jan 07 14:49:19 <sp3000> did you see them circling the block waiting for you to leave?
Jan 07 14:50:14 <keesj> No, all the buses that stopped where white
Jan 07 14:50:56 <sp3000> maybe they send those to check if the coast is clear
Jan 07 14:51:31 <keesj> probably. and I can't work from home tomorow
Jan 07 14:52:31 <michele_> hm the instructions says I have to power on the device while pressing the home button... which is the home button? :)
Jan 07 14:53:34 * sp3000 wonders if there's some flasher software or procedure that actually needs that home key pressed thing
Jan 07 14:53:35 <Tak> The one with the picture of the house on it
Jan 07 14:54:04 <X-Fade_> michele_: You don't need to do that. Just power it on when usb is plugged in and the flasher running..
Jan 07 14:54:07 <sp3000> at least with the linux flasher all you need is to have the flasher running and waiting when the device is powered up
Jan 07 14:54:29 <X-Fade_> Tak: There is no house on N810 anymore..
Jan 07 14:54:31 <michele_> X-Fade_: ok
Jan 07 14:54:38 <sp3000> there's no house on the N810 :)
Jan 07 14:54:50 <keesj> yes but they tell about the home button so you at least try it a few times thinking it was you who did not press the button
Jan 07 14:55:29 <sp3000> it's a "two overlapping boxes" which I guess resembles "windows" or "applications" concepts or such
Jan 07 14:56:12 <keesj> under linux if first start the flasher program, then shutdown the device, remove the power and connect it directly to the computer
Jan 07 14:57:02 <michele_> sp3000: I think they are two windows, thus meaning "switch window"
Jan 07 14:57:14 <michele_> at least, it's similar to the icons in Amiga's workbench
Jan 07 14:57:55 <inz> sp3000, methinks the windows flasher does need the home button
Jan 07 14:58:02 <inz> sp3000, not that I'd ever used it
Jan 07 14:58:29 <Tak> No house on n810?  Is there still a button that functions like the home button?
Jan 07 14:58:55 <sp3000> yeah, but the icon emphasizes the short press functionality instead
Jan 07 15:00:36 <Tak> that's fine - as long as my apps aren't suddenly going to be (more) broken
Jan 07 15:02:11 <keesj> hmm A lightning talk is given by one person, who is a developer of the project.
Jan 07 15:02:22 <X-Fade_> Tak: No, but the menu button moved to the hardware keyboard.
Jan 07 15:03:00 <Andy80> hi
Jan 07 15:03:06 <lardman> :( no delivery
Jan 07 15:03:20 <Andy80> me too
Jan 07 15:03:28 * michele_ flashing...
Jan 07 15:03:30 <Tak> I may change my mind once I get my hands on a unit, but it seems like the goat was really screwed when it comes to the n810 button layout
Jan 07 15:03:31 <X-Fade_> lardman: Hmm that is weird..
Jan 07 15:03:41 <lardman> ~lart ups next alleged day delivery for not coming the next day
Jan 07 15:03:41 * infobot whacks ups next alleged day delivery upside the head for not coming the next day
Jan 07 15:03:51 <michele_> ciao Andy80 (pure qua... ;)
Jan 07 15:03:51 <Andy80> I just call the customer service... the shipped today
Jan 07 15:03:57 <Andy80> michele_: hey :)
Jan 07 15:03:58 <X-Fade_> lardman: I have to send mine back and I have no idea when I get a new one..
Jan 07 15:04:10 <lardman> X-Fade_: what's wrong with it?
Jan 07 15:04:35 <X-Fade_> lardman: Wrong keyboard layout. Nokia seem to think NL == DE ;)
Jan 07 15:05:20 <dhd> lardman: hey - thanks for the help - is there any way to get the TI DSP tools to tell you if you have an unresolved symbol in your .o file?
Jan 07 15:05:44 <dhd> I kept getting annoying errors last night until I Googled and discovered that was the reason for it...
Jan 07 15:05:52 <lardman> not the tools, but dsp_dld will tell you
Jan 07 15:06:00 <Tak> NL, DE, close enough :-P
Jan 07 15:06:06 <lardman> run "dsp_dld -p" in a different term while you try to load the task
Jan 07 15:06:10 <dhd> ahh
Jan 07 15:06:29 <dhd> yeah I was just seeing the cryptic error in the dmesg
Jan 07 15:06:36 <lardman> it's hit and miss though, you might need to (try) running the task a few times before anything gets printed to the screen
Jan 07 15:06:36 <X-Fade_> Tak: Sure, but we use qwerty ;)
Jan 07 15:06:52 <dhd> were you having issues with using const data in your DSP tasks?
Jan 07 15:06:55 <Tak> interesting
Jan 07 15:06:59 <lardman> X-Fade_: ah, that's a pita
Jan 07 15:07:18 <dhd> I'm not having problems but I'm going to be using a lot of it if I port the entire MFCC front-end
Jan 07 15:07:19 <lardman> dhd: yes, when I read the value of a const array entry it appeared to be 0
Jan 07 15:07:24 <dhd> hmm
Jan 07 15:07:28 <X-Fade_> And it seems that all sales packages for NL are the wrong keyboard layout :(
Jan 07 15:07:37 <lardman> just test and see, I think it depends where the const data are stored
Jan 07 15:07:40 <dhd> yeah I'm not having that problem - you can see that I'm using const arrays for the twiddle factors
Jan 07 15:07:41 <Tak> awesome
Jan 07 15:07:48 <lardman> if indeed pre-initialised const data are supported....
Jan 07 15:07:50 <dhd> yeah there's some issue with "memory conflicts" according to the  c55x data
Jan 07 15:07:59 <michele_> seems to be working now, thank you mgedmin et al.
Jan 07 15:08:02 <dhd> and you're sometimes supposed to put things in their own section
Jan 07 15:08:35 <lardman> dhd: yeah, sections allow you to determine what type of memory you place certain data in, and what the alignment of those data are
Jan 07 15:08:41 <dhd> hmm
Jan 07 15:08:49 <dhd> well ... like I said, my const data is working fine
Jan 07 15:08:59 <dhd> so I guess I will keep my fingers crossed :)
Jan 07 15:09:01 <lardman> dhd: if you have very large structures you'll probably want to place them in a section in the mapped external memory, but that won't be as quick
Jan 07 15:09:11 <lardman> dhd: good :)
Jan 07 15:09:17 <dhd> yeah most things are small because I have already optimized them for the ARM
Jan 07 15:09:33 <dhd> I am using a lookup table for computing fixed-point logarithms and another one for doing addition in log space
Jan 07 15:09:43 <lardman> dhd: I wonder if my problem was that I maxed out the available memory in the const section (wherever that may be) - this is a vorbis decoder and it's pretty big
Jan 07 15:09:51 <trickie> keesj: is that the definition of a lightning talk at fosdem? at conferences i have been to previuosly it is usually pretty open
Jan 07 15:10:15 <dhd> lardman: yeah ... I feel like it's probably useful to develop things with CCS and the simulator so you can find these things out
Jan 07 15:10:25 * dhd eagerly awaits his free CCS evaluation CD
Jan 07 15:10:55 <lardman> hmm, I have that, but it didn't really add anything
Jan 07 15:11:02 <dhd> oh really ... hmm
Jan 07 15:11:42 <lardman> but then I didn't really try to use it too much - the problem is that you need to use the instrumented Ti kernel to allow the debgugger etc to communicate (afaik anyway)
Jan 07 15:11:48 <dhd> ahh
Jan 07 15:11:51 <lardman> Ti dsp kernel that is
Jan 07 15:11:53 <michele_> is there any way to read PDFs in portrait mode?
Jan 07 15:11:59 <dhd> I was under the impression taht there was a simulator... o hwell
Jan 07 15:12:09 <dhd> maybe you have to pay $3000 for it :)
Jan 07 15:12:30 <lardman> dhd: I don't think these things are in the Nokia dsp kernel, and certainly Nokia use dspgw rather than the tokliBIOS version, so i was doubtful it would work
Jan 07 15:12:30 * dhd suddenly realizes that he is at a major university with an EE department
Jan 07 15:13:09 <lardman> that's almost cheating ;)
Jan 07 15:54:23 <qos> hey guys ...
Jan 07 15:54:35 <qos> whats the status of the german discount codes?
Jan 07 15:55:56 <melmoth> http://direct.nokia.com/countries.aspx?model=N810&country=DE&add=true
Jan 07 15:56:11 <melmoth> should work. except if there is no stock on the shop.
Jan 07 15:56:46 <florian> They did not work this morning...
Jan 07 15:57:53 <florian> ... do still don't work.
Jan 07 15:58:01 <florian> s/do/and
Jan 07 15:59:24 <qos> omg ... one day or another i am really pissed
Jan 07 16:02:47 <lardman> qos: drink less
Jan 07 16:03:11 <Tak> qos: drink more! much more!
Jan 07 16:03:27 <lardman> ah, depends whether it's UK or US pissed though
Jan 07 16:03:54 <michele_> is sbox2 in the topic somewhat nicer to work with than the old one?
Jan 07 16:04:23 <qos> lardman, Tak: whats your task here? be the funny guys where you can laugh about? :)
Jan 07 16:04:48 <lardman> that's it, we add some essential lightheartedness
Jan 07 16:05:23 <lardman> qos: but I do feel your pain
Jan 07 16:05:38 <Tak> qos: Also, I annoy people with broken software.
Jan 07 16:05:52 <zoran> and missing hardware
Jan 07 16:06:15 <Tak> Nah, I'm uninvolved with the missing hardware.
Jan 07 16:06:33 <qos> lardman, you do?
Jan 07 16:06:42 <lardman> qos: and when I'm not taking the piss I do DSP work, in my spare time
Jan 07 16:06:47 <qos> Tak, thats a important task :)
Jan 07 16:07:13 <qos> lardman, then you can't be too important ...
Jan 07 16:07:31 <lardman> exactly my thinking
Jan 07 16:08:10 <lardman> but I'm going to start a blog, which will make me far more important, in a karma sort of way anyway :)
Jan 07 16:08:15 <Tak> btw, that was: I annoy people (with broken software), not: I annoy (people with broken software)
Jan 07 16:10:21 <lardman> I should of course add the <sarcasm>...</sarcasm> tags around my comment :D
Jan 07 16:13:34 <Tak> sarcasm tags are inherently hypocritical
Jan 07 16:16:17 <lardman> perhaps a sly grin tag then?
Jan 07 16:24:19 <jga23> is there any way to install cron on os2008?
Jan 07 16:25:10 <zoran> if you port it
Jan 07 16:25:20 <zoran> or use Cron.pm
Jan 07 16:25:37 <Tak> why does nobody use anacron?
Jan 07 16:26:07 <zoran> no need, prob
Jan 07 16:26:33 <zoran> multimedia rules
Jan 07 16:28:31 * Tak scratches head
Jan 07 16:28:40 <bedboi> hi there.
Jan 07 16:28:41 <jga23> anybody able to remap fceu keys on os2008?
Jan 07 16:29:00 <bedboi> anyone knows if there's some way to get the tracking number for nokia orders?
Jan 07 16:29:21 <lardman> you meant the ups tracking number? I was wondering the same
Jan 07 16:29:22 <bedboi> i rembember that the other times (n770, n800) they provided the tracking number
Jan 07 16:29:34 <mgedmin> do us discount codes work already?
Jan 07 16:29:38 <lardman> bedboi: some people get it, some don't
Jan 07 16:30:06 <lardman> mgedmin: ups in the uk
Jan 07 16:30:40 <bedboi> lardman: so it must be the shitty italian stuff
Jan 07 16:30:51 <mgedmin> the email that said "your code works now" pretended the US doesn't exist
Jan 07 16:31:00 <Tak> jga23: if somebody provides a good default set of keybindings, I'll create another config file
Jan 07 16:31:06 <mgedmin> so now I'm not sure if I've got a working european code, or if I've got a US code
Jan 07 16:31:26 <lardman> mgedmin: no idea, sorry
Jan 07 16:31:27 <Tak> mgedmin: afaict, US is out of stock
Jan 07 16:31:32 <Jaffa> Hmm, something on OS2008 keeps popping up the "connect to network" dialogue when no known networks are in range. It then sits there and constantly polls for a wifi connection. I thought it was Modest, but I've disabled it's auto-update and just found it sitting there.
Jan 07 16:31:42 <Jaffa> Anyone know of a way of identifying who's requesting it of libconic?
Jan 07 16:31:46 <bedboi> Jaffa: yep, that sucks
Jan 07 16:32:03 <bedboi> Jaffa: yesterday that bug drained my batteries really fast
Jan 07 16:32:10 <zoran> Jaffa, ps?
Jan 07 16:32:35 <zoran> ps auxc
Jan 07 16:32:45 <thopieka1> timeless are you there??
Jan 07 16:34:00 <jga23> Tak: B - Backspace, A - Enter, Select = -, Start = +
Jan 07 16:34:11 <jga23> that's just what I would do
Jan 07 16:36:21 <Tak> I wonder what's the best way of distributing a config file that's specific to the n810 only
Jan 07 16:36:41 <jga23> offer it as a download in the garage?
Jan 07 16:37:18 <Tak> yeah, but it has to be saved into /home/user/.fceultra, which is nonaccessible to the ITOS file browser
Jan 07 16:37:34 <jga23> or post it in the ITT forums, people will find it
Jan 07 16:38:45 <zoran> any idea about console imap client?
Jan 07 16:39:00 <sp3000> Tak: eep, there's no corresponding system config file that you could install based on hw in postinst?
Jan 07 16:39:35 <sp3000> (of course if ~/.fceultra never changes that's somewhat academic)
Jan 07 16:40:39 <fysa> deb?
Jan 07 16:41:10 * sp3000 doesn't know if you're shipping the corresponding software
Jan 07 16:41:21 <fysa> wrap the file in a script that echos itself to the proper location
Jan 07 16:41:53 <sp3000> such that you could have that tag along, or if this is an addition by a different party
Jan 07 16:41:55 <fysa> so running it backs up the existing file, then unloads itself
Jan 07 16:43:43 <Tak> I am shipping the corresponding software
Jan 07 16:44:02 <fysa> http://forums.techguy.org/unix-linux/667163-taking-input-line-line-config.html
Jan 07 16:44:07 <Tak> is there a way to determine what hardware you're running on, scriptastically?
Jan 07 16:44:14 <sp3000> lessee
Jan 07 16:44:14 <fysa> uname
Jan 07 16:44:20 <fysa> uname -a should work
Jan 07 16:44:21 <fysa> ish
Jan 07 16:44:43 <Tak> how is uname -a on n810/os2008 going to differ from uname -a on n800/os2008 ?
Jan 07 16:44:44 <smcv> fysa: you can change the hostname in the console, if that's your auto-detection...
Jan 07 16:45:08 <fysa> ah
Jan 07 16:45:15 <fysa> you want to load an N810 specific keymap
Jan 07 16:45:18 <fysa> or such?
Jan 07 16:45:20 <smcv> and if you're using avahi, it's advantageous to give each device a unique hostname
Jan 07 16:45:32 <sp3000> Tak: osso-product-info (you probably need to be root)
Jan 07 16:45:34 <fysa> not with hostname, smcv -- uname -a includes kernel v
Jan 07 16:45:47 <smcv> fysa: oh, they have different kernels?
Jan 07 16:46:05 <fysa> that will let you see os2007 vs os2008, etc
Jan 07 16:46:22 <fysa> is there anything in /sys?
Jan 07 16:46:24 <smcv> in that case you want uname -r
Jan 07 16:46:33 <bill2or3>  /proc/cpu ?
Jan 07 16:46:37 <bill2or3> err, cpuinfo
Jan 07 16:46:40 <fysa> same CPU
Jan 07 16:46:43 <sp3000> /proc/component_version is another one
Jan 07 16:46:46 <fysa> but maybe different stepping
Jan 07 16:46:53 <fysa> ah
Jan 07 16:47:04 <fysa> if you can read that without root, you're set
Jan 07 16:47:29 <smcv> you can
Jan 07 16:47:48 <smcv> RX-44 is N810, RX-34 is N800 I think
Jan 07 16:47:55 <Tak> what's going to be different in /proc/component_version?  hw-build?
Jan 07 16:48:01 <smcv> product
Jan 07 16:48:28 <smcv> I believe RX-?? is the Nokia internal product designation, for which N800/N810 is a marketing name
Jan 07 16:48:41 <sp3000> the hw part is visible in osso-product-info without root fwiw, it just complains a bit about not being able to get some of the variables
Jan 07 16:48:54 <sp3000> and you're root in postinst anyway :)
Jan 07 16:48:55 <smcv> certainly the N800 and N810 images you can download have RX-?? in the filename
Jan 07 16:49:04 <Tak> 770 is showing SU-18
Jan 07 16:49:05 <smcv> and indeed, yeah, maintainer scripts run as root
Jan 07 16:49:18 <smcv> Tak: well, there you go, identifiers for all three
Jan 07 16:49:27 <fysa> http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/initfs_flasher.tgz
Jan 07 16:49:31 <bill2or3> Tak, are you looking to determine OS version, or the actual hardware device?
Jan 07 16:49:34 <fysa> possibly script here that has code you can use
Jan 07 16:49:37 <fysa> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/archive/index.php?t-11703.html
Jan 07 16:49:40 <Tak> bill2or3: device
Jan 07 16:49:53 * bill2or3 pokes around on his N800
Jan 07 16:49:54 <smcv> yep, looks like RX-34 is the N800
Jan 07 16:50:06 <fysa> grep -q RX-34 /proc/component_version && EVNAME=event2 #n800
Jan 07 16:50:06 <fysa> grep -q RX-44 /proc/component_version && EVNAME=event2 #n810
Jan 07 16:50:25 <Tak> heh, I just don't know how confident to be that RX-whatever isn't going to change
Jan 07 16:51:09 <smcv> Tak: ask a nokian. I think those designations correspond 1:1 with marketing names for products, though
Jan 07 16:51:12 <fysa> have they ever changed before?
Jan 07 16:51:27 * Tak shrugs
Jan 07 16:51:35 <sp3000> (it's also on the back cover compartment sticker)
Jan 07 16:51:55 <sp3000> you can take a poll ;)
Jan 07 16:52:01 * Tak /msg nokians ${what smcv said}
Jan 07 16:52:01 <fysa> probably built into a serial number somewhere
Jan 07 16:53:08 <sp3000> and, say, sales package content lists
Jan 07 16:53:12 <bill2or3> Tak:  /proc/component_version looks like it may be what you're after.
Jan 07 17:00:31 <timeless> tak: the 770 wasn't rx-34 :)
Jan 07 17:00:52 <Tak> ok?
Jan 07 17:01:23 <timeless> i think it's fairly safe to assume that the n800 will always be rx-34
Jan 07 17:01:37 <Tak> actually I'm more concerned about N810
Jan 07 17:01:38 <timeless> if nokia releases something w/ another number, there will be /something/ different about it :)
Jan 07 17:01:46 <timeless> like the color :)
Jan 07 17:02:24 <donkey_darko> hi folks, i think all the guides to boot from memeory card are outdated. can someone help me please?
Jan 07 17:02:39 <donkey_darko> i'm on an n800 with the latest firmware
Jan 07 17:02:56 <Tak> I can't wait for the brown N810
Jan 07 17:03:06 <Tak> you can release it in a bundle with the zune
Jan 07 17:03:13 <donkey_darko> i've got root, partitioned my memory card but am stuck there
Jan 07 17:03:15 <sk> ugh zune
Jan 07 17:03:41 <bill2or3> it's like an ipod, but for idiots.
Jan 07 17:03:50 <donkey_darko> ipod is for idiots too
Jan 07 17:03:53 <sk> its like a mircosoft product, by microsoft
Jan 07 17:03:56 * bill2or3 shrugs.
Jan 07 17:04:15 <sk> just stay away from them as much as you can
Jan 07 17:04:18 <bill2or3> that whole 'wireless sharing' (suprise, there's DRM!) is so lame.
Jan 07 17:04:23 <sk> yeah very lame
Jan 07 17:05:14 <Tak> I thought ipods were already for idiots? :-P
Jan 07 17:05:28 <donkey_darko> has any of you guys managed to boot from sd on 0s2008?
Jan 07 17:06:19 <donkey_darko> ipods are overrated.
Jan 07 17:06:51 <sp3000> Tak: actually, you may already have $OSSO_PRODUCT_NAME in your environment
Jan 07 17:07:35 <Tak> heh, not on 2007HE
Jan 07 17:08:14 <sp3000> could be an OS2008 addition, yeah
Jan 07 17:10:08 * czr peeks
Jan 07 17:10:34 * sp3000 is reminded of the C64
Jan 07 17:10:42 <sp3000> all that peeking and poking!
Jan 07 17:10:53 <donkey_darko> can the n800 be overclocked beyond 400mhz?
Jan 07 17:11:37 * czr sends sp3000 a two-color sprite
Jan 07 17:11:49 <sp3000> ooh!
Jan 07 17:12:15 * czr sneaks into sp3000's todo list and adds "implement parallax for N810"
Jan 07 17:12:30 * donkey_darko needs help
Jan 07 17:12:41 <czr> greetings from red-neck-country
Jan 07 17:13:00 * Tak doesn't boot from mmc, doesn't know if n800 can be overclocked past 400MHz
Jan 07 17:13:05 <czr> I'm still suprised at all the variety of music that people here can line dance to
Jan 07 17:13:08 <Tak> czr: which one?
Jan 07 17:13:14 <sp3000> heh
Jan 07 17:13:18 <czr> Tak, USA/GA.
Jan 07 17:13:25 <donkey_darko> hmm
Jan 07 17:13:39 <czr> I'm hiding here from Nokia
Jan 07 17:13:51 <czr> they'll _never_ know to look for me here
Jan 07 17:14:20 <Tak> you must be in rural ga
Jan 07 17:14:40 <czr> tak, very.
Jan 07 17:14:55 <czr> in the woods/marshes near savannah
Jan 07 17:14:59 <czr> near being relative obviously
Jan 07 17:15:34 <Tak> fun
Jan 07 17:16:03 <czr> it is actually. at least it's warm and sunny and such. compared to .fi
Jan 07 17:19:03 <Tak> I'm sure it must be
Jan 07 17:19:11 * Tak clearwater, fl
Jan 07 17:19:32 <czr> ah, close enough :-)
Jan 07 17:29:19 <moontiger> since none of my students have showed up yet i thought id ask again about nicotine ... it doesnt seem to run
Jan 07 17:29:36 <moontiger> it installs fine but does nothing when i try to run it
Jan 07 17:29:50 <moontiger> does anybody know the magic incntations reqd?
Jan 07 17:32:11 <fysa> runs and asks for login for me
Jan 07 17:32:15 <fysa> never made an account though
Jan 07 17:32:32 <fysa> nice, I'm in Tampa, Tak.
Jan 07 17:32:41 <fysa> just moved from St. Pete..
Jan 07 17:32:43 <Tak> hmm, how about that
Jan 07 17:33:17 <Tak> yeah, I actually live in st pete; work in clw
Jan 07 17:33:37 <fysa> was down near Pass-e-grille/a block from the Don CeSar
Jan 07 17:33:45 <Tak> nice
Jan 07 17:33:59 <Tak> ...and you moved?
Jan 07 17:34:01 <fysa> now up in Ybor a couple blocks from Columbia..  wife goes to UT
Jan 07 17:34:14 <fysa> I work from home..
Jan 07 17:34:18 <Tak> ah - she didn't like the drive?
Jan 07 17:34:21 <fysa> and the commute was getting a bit much with long school + work hours
Jan 07 17:34:32 <fysa> she was doing 4 10-12 hour sessions
Jan 07 17:34:40 * czr was really suprised at the total lack of publis transport here
Jan 07 17:34:46 <czr> but I guess it figures..
Jan 07 17:34:49 <Tak> czr: yeah, no kidding, it sucks
Jan 07 17:34:56 <derf> The US has no public transport.
Jan 07 17:35:02 <czr> so far I've seen exactly one bicyclist here
Jan 07 17:35:03 <fysa> DC is pretty nice.
Jan 07 17:35:08 <Tak> with the minor exceptions of NYC and DC
Jan 07 17:35:10 <fysa> But nothing compared to Hong Kong still.
Jan 07 17:35:22 <derf> DC is nice if you happen to live in very specific spots.
Jan 07 17:35:38 <derf> I've lived in the DC area for 20-something years, and _never_ lived in one of those spots.
Jan 07 17:35:42 <czr> in a metro station?
Jan 07 17:35:46 <fysa> you have to hunt them out specifically, really..
Jan 07 17:35:58 <derf> And they are uber-expensive.
Jan 07 17:35:59 <fysa> they'll go for more money, but you save it in gas.
Jan 07 17:36:04 <derf> Because, apparently, everyone else also hunts them out.
Jan 07 17:36:06 <fysa> and sanity ;)
Jan 07 17:36:10 <fysa> exactly
Jan 07 17:36:10 <Tak> I'd skate/bike/jog to work if we had a nice shower facility
Jan 07 17:36:22 <fysa> where do you work?
Jan 07 17:36:31 <derf> I work in Fairfax. By design.
Jan 07 17:36:44 <fysa> Fairfax is nice.
Jan 07 17:36:52 <derf> But no real public transport.
Jan 07 17:36:59 <fysa> Tak?
Jan 07 17:37:07 <Tak> ?
Jan 07 17:37:14 <fysa> where do you work?
Jan 07 17:37:45 <Tak> oh, haha - I thought the question was directed at derf
Jan 07 17:37:50 <Tak> US19/ulmerton
Jan 07 17:38:31 <fysa> I mean, when you're not in your alter-ego maemo superhero form..  what kind of widgets do you smash around?
Jan 07 17:38:44 <Tak> heh
Jan 07 17:38:50 <Tak> we make visual inspection software
Jan 07 17:38:52 * czr misread "midgets"
Jan 07 17:39:01 <fysa> gotta run to lunch
Jan 07 17:39:05 * Tak only smash around midgets in my maemo superhero form
Jan 07 17:39:10 * czr hides
Jan 07 17:39:14 <fysa> ha
Jan 07 17:39:38 <fysa> facial recognition/biometric type stuff?
Jan 07 17:40:43 <mbuf> N770 are available in the market?
Jan 07 17:41:05 <fysa> http://gizmodo.com/341250/audiovoxs-digital-message-centers-let-you-leave-videos-for-your-family
Jan 07 17:41:08 <fysa> that's kind of cool.
Jan 07 17:41:25 <fysa> so many toys at CES
Jan 07 17:41:28 <Tak> no, more interpretation of different visual patterns on objects
Jan 07 17:41:41 <fysa> cool
Jan 07 17:41:56 <czr> real-time tattoo-analyzer to catch those pesky people who have tattooed RC4-128-bit algorithm (128-bit form) on their bodies?
Jan 07 17:42:11 <Tak> not to mention the Time Code
Jan 07 17:42:19 <czr> heh
Jan 07 17:48:41 <bstock> anyone try getting openvpn running on an 810? mine starts to run but gives a weird error
Jan 07 18:08:33 * lcuk says hello to all the little ppl in his 810
Jan 07 18:10:37 <henrique> is the chinook's default IM program the one based on telepathy framework?
Jan 07 18:11:12 <inz> yes
Jan 07 18:12:58 <henrique> inz, thanks
Jan 07 18:13:04 <Robot101> and you can get extra telepathy backends for chinook at http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org
Jan 07 18:16:45 <sibbe> \o/, finally got out some statistics which were parseable by bootchart..
Jan 07 18:16:49 <sibbe> http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/jvtmuukk/chinook/bootchart/bootchart-n800-os2008-001-mmc_first_try.png
Jan 07 18:17:43 <fysa> very cool
Jan 07 18:17:47 <sibbe> root on memory card, booted with specialized bootmenu and so on..
Jan 07 18:17:55 <sibbe> need to clean up these scripts and binaries _alot_
Jan 07 18:18:31 <fysa> how is mmc speed with fast sdhc vs internal flash storage?
Jan 07 18:18:32 <sibbe> playing with initfs is "exciting"
Jan 07 18:19:35 <sibbe> no clue yet on speeds... i have a regular sd card, and i guess the bootchart-logger slows things down a bit
Jan 07 18:20:11 <kulve> sibbe: try with the mmc patches? Afaik, those should speed up most new cards..
Jan 07 18:20:40 <fysa> patches?
Jan 07 18:20:50 <fysa> that aren't in any official releases?
Jan 07 18:21:25 <fysa> link? :)
Jan 07 18:22:00 <kulve> uhm
Jan 07 18:22:27 <sibbe> hmm i need some kind of a blog / website to write to...  just too lazy to setup any :)
Jan 07 18:22:35 <fysa> jaiku
Jan 07 18:22:59 <kulve> fysa: those exist for Bora but I'm not sure if they are ported to Chinook already
Jan 07 18:23:12 <fysa> what kind of speed improvement?
Jan 07 18:24:02 <kulve> fysa: http://intr.overt.org/blog/
Jan 07 18:24:21 <fysa> nice.  RSS is good.
Jan 07 18:24:39 <sibbe> hmm.. /proc/diskstats shows just zeroes for mtd blocks
Jan 07 18:24:47 <sibbe> i guess that's a feature
Jan 07 18:25:04 <fysa> ah
Jan 07 18:25:12 <fysa> shouldn't that be built in to OS2008 by default?
Jan 07 18:25:12 <kulve> sibbe: I noticed the same with other arm devices..
Jan 07 18:25:33 <fysa> aha
Jan 07 18:25:36 <kulve> fysa: there are some issues or something which prevents nokia from putting hose there..
Jan 07 18:25:46 <fysa> The one remaining patch is the one that enables 48MHz highspeed support. As I’ve mentioned before, the 48MHz mode is not supported by Nokia because they’ve observed problems with it and TI aren’t confident that it really works. So, this patch will never be accepted by Nokia, and I don’t blame them. Nevertheless, it works for me and many other people, so I’ll continue to offer patched kernels here.
Jan 07 18:26:56 <fysa> http://intr.overt.org/4.2007.38-mmc-kernel/
Jan 07 18:27:08 <fysa> the diffs are there and relatively simple.
Jan 07 18:27:27 <fysa> http://intr.overt.org/4.2007.38-mmc-kernel/0001-omap2-highspeed.diff
Jan 07 18:28:30 <kulve> fysa: go ahead, patch and test. And let us and the author know how it went :)
Jan 07 18:29:19 <fysa> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12833
Jan 07 18:29:27 <fysa> Definitely will this weekend.
Jan 07 18:30:59 <fysa> Faster swap space would be very welcome.
Jan 07 18:31:18 <Tak> hehe
Jan 07 18:32:27 <sibbe> someone should do usb ram dongles :)
Jan 07 18:32:43 <fysa> what is the bus speed limit out of USB?
Jan 07 18:32:49 <fysa> and processing hit for reaching it?
Jan 07 18:32:56 <fysa> could always try a RAID of SDHC cards..
Jan 07 18:33:25 <fysa> what happens if we RAID mmc1 and mmc2? ;)
Jan 07 18:33:58 <glass> thats an intresting question :p
Jan 07 18:33:58 <fysa> I have two 8GB Transcend SDHCs that I could test.
Jan 07 18:35:10 <fysa> mirrored would probably be a reasonable 'trade-off'
Jan 07 18:35:26 <fysa> then you could pop one out and still run in degraded (single) mode and have it resync when you plug it back in.
Jan 07 18:39:02 <qos> does somebody know how to add an image to a python gtk.button?
Jan 07 18:41:53 <lmoura> qos, http://www.google.com/codesearch?hl=en&q=+lang:python+set_image+button+show:G1_j2uFHF3I:FEDcM_KNO94:uT-nT9INA08&sa=N&cd=1&ct=rc&cs_p=http://users.zenwalk.org/user-accounts/oskar/source/gutenpy-0.3.0.tar.gz&cs_f=gutenpy-0.3.0/GutenPy/catalog.py#first
Jan 07 18:42:13 <lmoura> search for the "class CatalogButtonBox(gtk.HButtonBox):"
Jan 07 18:42:27 <lmoura> there they use gtk.Button.set_image
Jan 07 18:45:35 <skibur> anybody using grandcentral.?
Jan 07 18:54:17 <sibbe> hmm the maemo bootchart is actually quite funny because dsme starts about half of the stuff..
Jan 07 18:54:20 <qos> lmoura, it works if the application gets started without the hildon support (so without run-standalone.sh). any suggestions ...
Jan 07 18:58:28 <jga23> is there any way to data log the gps position of the built in n810 gps?
Jan 07 19:00:44 <kulve> jga23: it's pretty simple to make your own..
Jan 07 19:00:52 <kulve> but there's gps-saver app too
Jan 07 19:01:02 <kulve> which is very simple
Jan 07 19:02:49 <jga23> I would write my own, but I don't think the python gps libraries are done
Jan 07 19:03:20 * Tak wonders if alterego has done ruby gps libs yet
Jan 07 19:12:44 <penguinbait> I am looking for some help with deb making, whos the guru?
Jan 07 19:13:51 <penguinbait> <-- Drops Pin
Jan 07 19:14:07 * dhd is no guru but knows a few things
Jan 07 19:14:07 <rm_you> penguinbait: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/html_single/Debian-Binary-Package-Building-HOWTO/
Jan 07 19:14:57 <penguinbait> I am making then fine, but my KDE 323MB deb, the appliation manager says its corrupted
Jan 07 19:15:09 <penguinbait> installs fine on the command line
Jan 07 19:15:36 <Tak> is it in the group user/something ?
Jan 07 19:16:14 <penguinbait> is it?
Jan 07 19:16:24 <penguinbait> the files?
Jan 07 19:18:02 <Tak> the deb
Jan 07 19:18:40 <Tak> "Section: user/whatever" in debian/control
Jan 07 19:19:18 <penguinbait> yes
Jan 07 19:19:19 <penguinbait> Section: user/support
Jan 07 19:19:53 <penguinbait> is this a problem?
Jan 07 19:19:58 <Tak> no, that's correct
Jan 07 19:20:01 <penguinbait> ok
Jan 07 19:20:12 <Tak> what does the app manager's log show?
Jan 07 19:20:22 <penguinbait> theres a log
Jan 07 19:20:23 <penguinbait> hehe
Jan 07 19:20:41 <penguinbait> var/log?
Jan 07 19:21:38 <Tak> menu->Tools->Log
Jan 07 19:21:52 <penguinbait> doh, I would never have looked there
Jan 07 19:21:53 <penguinbait> hehe
Jan 07 19:23:36 <penguinbait> unable to install, installation file corrupted
Jan 07 19:24:08 <penguinbait> hmmm. tar write error: no space left on device?
Jan 07 19:24:13 <Tak> Bam!
Jan 07 19:24:38 <penguinbait> its not out of space though, and installs via command line fine?
Jan 07 19:25:16 <penguinbait> does it try to use tmp?
Jan 07 19:25:33 <Tak> not sure
Jan 07 19:25:43 <fysa> mediaserv is so amazingly hot.
Jan 07 19:25:46 <sibbe> probably not, since /tmp is only 0.5MB
Jan 07 19:25:53 <fysa> 14333kbps MPEG2 1080i of Munich w/DD51 audio -> real-time mencoder -> 340x252 XVID with original audio copied
Jan 07 19:26:03 <fysa> works instantly.
Jan 07 19:26:18 <fysa> and with Video Center, you can 'download' to queue up transcodes for the road.
Jan 07 19:26:19 <penguinbait> when I look at the details in app manager before installing it says "Not Installable"
Jan 07 19:27:06 <penguinbait> wtf, I mad three debs all basically the same, the only diff is the size of this one, there must be some kind of size limitation in the gui
Jan 07 19:28:02 <penguinbait> I guess I can make another one with same control but less files, and verify its a size issue
Jan 07 19:28:19 <penguinbait> thanks TAK
Jan 07 19:28:31 <Tak> np
Jan 07 19:36:01 <lmoura> qos, the code I sent worked here
Jan 07 19:36:07 <ture> I get "no such target" when I try to run sb-conf select chinook_x86 after following the sdk installation manual on maemo.org
Jan 07 19:36:18 <lmoura> can you put it in a pastebin?
Jan 07 19:37:19 <qos> lmoura, there is the methode set_from_stock() used. i am using set_from_file()... could that make the difference?
Jan 07 19:37:39 <lmoura> maybe
Jan 07 19:38:35 <henrique> anyone knows if POIs are particular to wayfinder or if I can get the POI list through something else
Jan 07 19:38:44 <lmoura> did you try using absolute or relative path (or both)?
Jan 07 19:39:25 <|R> Anyone remember who was developing a memory card game to learn hiragana/katakana ?
Jan 07 19:40:29 <qos> lmoura, the relative path. but it works without the run-standalone.sh
Jan 07 19:43:01 <Tahitibob> hendry, perhaps this : http://david.hautbois.free.fr/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=86&Itemid=1
Jan 07 19:43:41 <Tahitibob> henrique, perhaps this : http://david.hautbois.free.fr/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=86&Itemid=1
Jan 07 19:43:50 <lmoura> qos, even with relative path it worked here.
Jan 07 19:44:02 <lmoura> what sdk version are you using?
Jan 07 19:44:04 <Tahitibob> problem with TAB key, ;)
Jan 07 19:44:30 * lcuk also has no tabkey
Jan 07 19:44:31 <qos> lmoura, did you try the load_from_file() method?
Jan 07 19:46:25 <lmoura> gtk.Image.set_from_file? yes
Jan 07 19:46:54 <henrique> Tahitibob, thanks
Jan 07 19:47:32 <qos> can u send me the whole relevant code in a pastebin?
Jan 07 19:49:31 <d^_^B> :)
Jan 07 19:49:34 <d^_^B> well
Jan 07 19:49:39 <lmoura> qos, got it
Jan 07 19:49:44 <lmoura> I was using only the image
Jan 07 19:50:00 <qos> soo?
Jan 07 19:50:04 <d^_^B> umm
Jan 07 19:50:04 <lmoura> if I create it with a label, using run-standalone.sh shows only the label
Jan 07 19:50:07 <d^_^B> guys
Jan 07 19:50:20 <d^_^B> i need the charge the nokia n810 after buy immediately???????
Jan 07 19:50:38 <lcuk> db - i charged and played at same time
Jan 07 19:50:50 <lcuk> it was about half full when it arrived
Jan 07 19:50:56 <d^_^B> so it dosn't need any charge 8 9 hours the first charge?
Jan 07 19:51:03 <lcuk> but i didnt see it unplugged for more than a few seconds
Jan 07 19:51:30 <lcuk> i left it on charge from dinner time till 5.30 and its been fine
Jan 07 19:51:43 <lcuk> i switched it on whilst i was hunting for a socket
Jan 07 19:51:47 * lcuk is impatient
Jan 07 19:52:00 <d^_^B> nono my mean is
Jan 07 19:52:15 <d^_^B> it really needs the first charge after buy
Jan 07 19:52:25 <d^_^B> before useing
Jan 07 19:52:42 <lcuk> i had mine on and was pottering with it
Jan 07 19:52:48 <lcuk> but charging at same time
Jan 07 19:53:04 <d^_^B> ?????
Jan 07 19:53:09 <d^_^B> reply me plz
Jan 07 19:53:25 <qos> lmoura, do you know a solution?
Jan 07 19:53:51 <lmoura> qos, I'm taking a look on it now
Jan 07 19:53:54 <lcuk> i had it charging for its initial charge, but i was also using it whilst it was charging...
Jan 07 19:54:27 <lcuk> it would not have lasted long with the power that was in it when i got it
Jan 07 20:01:39 <lmoura> qos, http://pastebin.com/d1ca0c878
Jan 07 20:02:13 <lmoura> the property "gtk-button-images" was set to false on gtk.Settings, hiding all button images
Jan 07 20:02:33 <lmoura> this examples switches it each time you click the button
Jan 07 20:04:01 <florian> re
Jan 07 20:10:18 <ravious> does anyone know if the problems with the repositories have been fixed or if their still all broken?
Jan 07 20:12:12 <lcuk> rav - you mean where we had to rename them just after 810 update came out?
Jan 07 20:12:41 <lcuk> cos if so, all mine are sorted and back to what they should be
Jan 07 20:13:18 <ravious> I dont know.. Im not sure what caused it. But every time i tried to install something it always said the package was broken
Jan 07 20:14:26 <lcuk> yer i had that - then i read that if you renamed something in your extras repo it will work - which it did, then it stopped working and i restored back to what it should have been and its worked ever since
Jan 07 20:14:37 <lcuk> it might be though that you are installing something from a broken repo
Jan 07 20:15:36 <ravious> ah ok
Jan 07 20:18:35 <sp3000> http://downloads.maemo.org/product/OS2008/hgffbjuimi./
Jan 07 20:18:41 * sp3000 scratches head
Jan 07 20:18:56 <melmoth> I m on maemo2008 scratchbox...Any idea how to tell swig _not_ to use the embedded swig engine (/scratchbox/devkits/maemo3-tools/bin/swig) but the one i installed ?
Jan 07 20:20:15 <Tak> change the PATH?
Jan 07 20:24:03 <melmoth> i changed the path, but it still generate swig file that mention the other version
Jan 07 20:24:59 <lcuk> sp3000, whats worse is 30 people have downloaded it
Jan 07 20:27:01 <Tak> What, isn't that a finnish word?
Jan 07 20:27:17 <melmoth> export SWIG_LIB="/usr/share/swig/1.3.31" is my friend.
Jan 07 20:27:30 <Tak> aha
Jan 07 20:38:47 <qos> lmoura, your sample works for me. but i don't know why. i think it has to do with "settings.set_property". is there a documentation for this?
Jan 07 20:39:25 <lmoura> I saw it in the pygtk docs
Jan 07 21:04:35 <ds3>  
Jan 07 21:08:21 <qos> lmoura, thanks for o
Jan 07 21:08:33 <qos> lmoura, thanks for your help. got it working ...
Jan 07 21:16:36 <blahdeblahN800> Hi. After a failed map download, my map application won't open, and the application manager won't apply the update to 2.2.6.377-1 because it contains updates to packages from a different source which may harm the system.  How can i fix this?
Jan 07 21:17:22 <blahdeblahN800> Also, how can i get rid of the grey word completion bar down the bottom of the screen when i use my bluetooth keyboard?
Jan 07 21:20:45 <qos> blahdeblah, did u try to uninstall the map app first?
Jan 07 21:21:41 <tbb> is perl standard on os2008
Jan 07 21:28:04 <blahdeblahN800> qos: I just uninstalled it now. Is there any reason to choose maemo mapper over the default map application?
Jan 07 21:28:28 <qos> blahdeblah, try to reinstall it
Jan 07 21:30:20 <blahdeblahN800> qos: OK - any ideas about the choice between the default Map application and maemo mapper?  I assume from what i've seen that you have to be online for maemo mapper to work - is that right?
Jan 07 21:30:56 <Luria> only for downloading new maps and directions
Jan 07 21:31:06 <lcuk> blah -try unticking control panel/text input/languages/settings/"next word prediction" and "word prediction"
Jan 07 21:31:28 <lcuk> ^ word complete i mean
Jan 07 21:31:44 <Cptnodegard> why does people still have os2007?
Jan 07 21:31:45 <qos> its more complex than this. but yes, maemo mapper is (in most cases) offline unusable for navigation. so, if you want an navigation system choose the map thing
Jan 07 21:32:24 <lcuk> cpt - some apps havent been transfered yet or simple "if it aint broke..."
Jan 07 21:32:37 <Cptnodegard> lol
Jan 07 21:32:46 <blahdeblahN800> lcuk: Thx - will i have to turn this off and on when i switch between bluetooth and pen?
Jan 07 21:33:12 <Cptnodegard> whats hildon, btw?
Jan 07 21:33:13 <lcuk> blah, it appears so - there appears to be only one set of settings
Jan 07 21:35:05 <lcuk> hildon is the main interface/desktop we run on the NIT isnt it?
Jan 07 21:35:22 <lcuk> hence hildonizing standard linux apps
Jan 07 21:35:30 <Cptnodegard> dunno, read something about "hildonizing"
Jan 07 21:35:36 <Cptnodegard> ah
Jan 07 21:36:51 * lcuk takes the words out of your mouth
Jan 07 21:37:26 <blahdeblahN800> Bah - map still crashes after a reinstall.
Jan 07 21:37:33 <blahdeblahN800> Is there a place it stores settings?
Jan 07 21:39:49 <lcuk> are there any python lurkers around?
Jan 07 21:41:06 * lcuk asks anyway..
Jan 07 21:41:25 <lcuk> the first line of a lot of python examples looks like this:   #!/usr/bin/env python
Jan 07 21:41:56 <lcuk> does this mean if I set the execute attrib on the file and just enter its name in the console it will execute and run the python interpreter on it?
Jan 07 21:42:12 <Knirch> yes
Jan 07 21:42:22 <Knirch> it's called a shebang
Jan 07 21:42:39 <lcuk> ahhh cool
Jan 07 21:42:40 <Knirch> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shebang
Jan 07 21:42:49 <Knirch> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shebang_(Unix)
Jan 07 21:42:50 <Knirch> even
Jan 07 21:43:19 <derf> I've long envied the T-shirt that says: "Hash bang slash bin slash bash."
Jan 07 21:43:57 <lcuk> thanks knirch, its good to know :)
Jan 07 21:45:03 <penguinbait> I always likeed the shirts that said "Hash Bash"
Jan 07 21:45:25 <penguinbait> just drop the bang slash bin slash
Jan 07 21:45:32 <penguinbait> :)
Jan 07 21:46:20 * lcuk prefers slashdot :)
Jan 07 21:46:46 <blahdeblahN800> This map thing is frickin annoying.
Jan 07 21:47:07 <blahdeblahN800> It doesn't even seem to store the maps in $HOME
Jan 07 21:47:20 <lcuk> i dont think the maps are reinstalled with a flash
Jan 07 21:47:34 <lcuk> otherwise it would need a worldwide map database which would be bigger
Jan 07 21:47:42 <blahdeblahN800> Any idea what the map application is called on the command line?
Jan 07 21:47:58 <lcuk> have you tried map?
Jan 07 21:48:00 * lcuk hides
Jan 07 21:48:03 <derf> maemo-mapper
Jan 07 21:48:16 <blahdeblahN800> lcuk: YES.  :-|
Jan 07 21:48:28 <lcuk> lol
Jan 07 21:48:29 <blahdeblahN800> derf: No, the default one, not the OSS one
Jan 07 21:48:56 <blahdeblahN800> I'm just hoping that i can see some output if i run it from a terminal which might point to the cause of the problem.
Jan 07 21:49:50 * blahdeblahN800 remembers dpkg is installed and pulls out dpkg -L
Jan 07 21:49:51 <threethirty> hello all
Jan 07 21:49:58 <lcuk> hi 330
Jan 07 21:51:28 <blahdeblahN800> lcuk: It's called navicore, not map
Jan 07 21:51:45 <blahdeblahN800> and it's getting a gtk error: navicore-navigator[3646]: GLIB DEBUG ConIc - con_ic_connection_send_event(0x249410, Home, WLAN_INFRA, 0)
Jan 07 21:51:46 <blahdeblahN800> navicore-navigator[3646]: GLIB WARNING ** Gtk - gtk_widget_size_allocate(): attempt to allocate widget with width -24 and height 0
Jan 07 21:51:53 * lcuk_2 wonders what happened
Jan 07 21:52:08 <threethirty> has anyone here ever crashed a n770 to the point where it sticks on the white nokia screen and wont go any further.  the buttons still make noise, but thats it
Jan 07 21:58:30 <lcuk_2> 330 - is it still in warranty
Jan 07 21:58:51 <lcuk_2> reading up the 770 WSOD needs a proper fix from nokia
Jan 07 21:58:56 <threethirty> nope, got it on ebay
Jan 07 21:59:42 <lcuk_2> based on what i just found on google you should try nokia but other ppl might have better ideas
Jan 07 22:01:32 <threethirty> ok, ty just wanted to know that im not the first one
Jan 07 22:17:22 <blahdeblahN800>  
Jan 07 22:17:53 <Knirch>  
Jan 07 22:19:48 <doc|home>  
Jan 07 22:20:26 <Cord>  
Jan 07 22:21:57 <blahdeblah> Sorry
Jan 07 22:22:20 <blahdeblah> Somehow my N800 has got into a state where it won't accept input from either the pen or the bluetooth keyboard.  Any ideas?
Jan 07 22:22:54 <derf> Hold down the power key until it reboots.
Jan 07 22:23:04 <blahdeblah> derf: thanks a lot!  :-(
Jan 07 22:23:32 <blahdeblah> I responds fine to screen & onboard keys.
Jan 07 22:23:46 <blahdeblah> So i can manually shut down.
Jan 07 22:24:02 <blahdeblah> But i don't want to - i want to fix it!  ;-)
Jan 07 22:28:28 <blahdeblah> Looks like it's pretty screwed
Jan 07 22:28:52 <blahdeblah> Not happy. :-(
Jan 07 22:33:27 <truls> ack, finally found the showstopper for os2008 upgrade... maemocjk, no longer able to swap keyboard on-the-fly
Jan 07 22:34:47 <derf> Hmm, fortunately I never do that.
Jan 07 22:36:04 <blahdeblah> truls: Yeah - it's a pain.  I often sit with they keyboard to the side and pull it out when i want to do some serious text input.
Jan 07 22:36:30 <truls> blahdeblah: japanese keyboard?
Jan 07 22:36:41 * truls got confused
Jan 07 22:37:15 <blahdeblah> Sorry - i misinterpreted your message.
Jan 07 22:37:25 <truls> i'm not talking about anything related to the hardware keyboard, i'm talking about japanese input support
Jan 07 22:37:37 <blahdeblah> I realise that now... ;-)
Jan 07 22:37:43 <truls> heh
Jan 07 22:39:04 <lcuk_2> maemo pads: serious business
Jan 07 22:42:59 <KaKaRoTo> hi, I have a question
Jan 07 22:43:02 <tbb> anyone knows where maemo os2008 stores the network connections with their passwords (wlan etc)
Jan 07 22:43:21 <KaKaRoTo> I made a deb package using the chinnok sdk but when trying to install it application manager complains that it's incompatible
Jan 07 22:43:32 <Luria> goddamn
Jan 07 22:43:33 <KaKaRoTo> does anyone know what might cause it and how to fix this
Jan 07 22:43:34 <KaKaRoTo> ?
Jan 07 22:43:53 <Luria> http://gfdsa.gfdsa.org/2008/01/02/openvpn-on-os2008n800maemo/
Jan 07 22:44:06 <Luria> "Most of the people don’t even hit this bug, because verbose level of 4 is rarely used."
Jan 07 22:44:13 <Luria> well, i hit it.
Jan 07 22:45:03 <lcuk_2> couldn't you lower your verbosity level and ignore it ;)
Jan 07 22:45:24 <sibbe> hmm.. need to check if it happens with 2.1rc compiled against lzo2
Jan 07 22:45:41 <sibbe> ...oh but can't do it right now
Jan 07 22:45:45 <Luria> yeah, im going to v3 right now
Jan 07 22:46:04 <lcuk_2> workarounds make the world go round :)
Jan 07 22:46:04 <gnuton> Hi
Jan 07 22:46:20 <Luria> this has been more annoying than it should
Jan 07 22:46:28 <Luria> doing ovpn on x-wrt
Jan 07 22:47:07 <sibbe> http://packages.debian.org/lenny/openvpn + liblzo2 compiled just fine iirc, but i didn't have time to actually test the packages :)
Jan 07 22:47:40 <lcuk_2> hi gnu
Jan 07 22:47:41 <sibbe> libpam dependency disabled ofcourse
Jan 07 22:49:40 <KaKaRoTo> hi, anyone knows why application manager says "Unable to install. incompatible application package" on my deb file  (chinook built with maemo 4.x sdk) ?
Jan 07 22:50:48 <Luria> also, silly question, but how do i make scripts executable without invoking sh/ash?
Jan 07 22:51:00 <Luria> or does ash not do that
Jan 07 22:51:11 <Luria> (yes they are +x'ed)
Jan 07 22:51:22 <Cord> Luria: head -1 $script?
Jan 07 22:52:56 <Luria> k, ta
Jan 07 22:53:18 <Cord> you need your interpreter in the first line of the script
Jan 07 22:53:33 <Cord> something like '#! /bin/sh'
Jan 07 22:53:34 <Luria> i put a shebang line in
Jan 07 22:55:20 <Luria> still i get foo:not found
Jan 07 22:55:48 <Cord> you call your script with ./$script?
Jan 07 22:56:18 * KaKaRoTo feels noone cares about my problem... :(
Jan 07 22:56:20 <Luria> yeah
Jan 07 22:56:34 <Cord> KaKaRoTo: the problem is hidden in the manager.
Jan 07 22:57:11 <Cord> KaKaRoTo: as i don'T know it yet, i can'T help. maybe running dpkg -i $package.deb shows something more useful?
Jan 07 22:57:18 <Cord> Luria: and you get?
Jan 07 22:57:57 <Luria> the script runs
Jan 07 22:58:08 <Luria> i would just like not to have to be in the same dir
Jan 07 22:58:17 <Cord> so problem solved?
Jan 07 22:58:58 <Cord> Luria: you want to run it with the /path/to/script? or do you want to run it with '$ script'?
Jan 07 22:59:12 <Luria> i want it to be callable from path
Jan 07 22:59:30 <Luria> so i dont have to be in the same directory
Jan 07 22:59:33 <KaKaRoTo> Cord, http://pastebin.ca/845888
Jan 07 22:59:43 <KaKaRoTo> Cord, dpkg -i says nothing more
Jan 07 22:59:52 <Cord> Luria: then you need to move it somehwere in your directories that 'echo $PATH' displays.
Jan 07 22:59:53 <KaKaRoTo> it installs with dpkg -i, but applicatin manager doesn't want to instal lit
Jan 07 23:00:05 <Luria> cord, ok, ta
Jan 07 23:00:08 <KaKaRoTo> I have chinook and the package was compiled using the chinook rootstrap
Jan 07 23:00:17 <rm_you> KaKaRoTo: are you in redpill mode?
Jan 07 23:00:28 <KaKaRoTo> rm_you, it installs in red pill mode, but it doesn't in blue pill
Jan 07 23:00:35 <KaKaRoTo> that's what I just discovered
Jan 07 23:00:39 <Luria> i knew it was something silly
Jan 07 23:00:55 <rm_you> sometimes it won't install packages if they replace any files that are in the official packages
Jan 07 23:00:57 <KaKaRoTo> rm_you, I have it installed, but I need my users to be able to install it without going into red pill mode
Jan 07 23:01:11 <Cord> KaKaRoTo: ok, the deb is fine, then i'm out as i don'T know the things you have trouble with. Nokia doesn'T like Germany.
Jan 07 23:01:20 <Luria> who does?
Jan 07 23:01:29 <Luria> }:-)
Jan 07 23:02:20 <KaKaRoTo> Cord, germany ? I don't get it :p
Jan 07 23:02:33 <tbb> Anyone knows where maemo os2008 stores the network connections with their passwords (wlan etc)
Jan 07 23:02:37 <Cord> KaKaRoTo: discount codes are not working yet.
Jan 07 23:03:05 <Cord> tbb: debian stores things somewhere in /etc/net*
Jan 07 23:03:08 <KaKaRoTo> rm_you, and the packages don't overwrite any of the existing files on the system
Jan 07 23:03:14 <KaKaRoTo> Cord, ahh ok lol :)
Jan 07 23:05:12 <KaKaRoTo> btw, if anyone is interested : http://kakaroto.homelinux.net/~kakaroto/n810/
Jan 07 23:05:18 <KaKaRoTo> there are nice screenshots in there :D
Jan 07 23:07:04 <Luria> very nice... but odd timing
Jan 07 23:07:28 <KaKaRoTo> Luria, why odd timing ?
Jan 07 23:07:53 <Luria> because they just added msn (and others) to rtcomm
Jan 07 23:08:03 <pupnik_> Cord: if you have success in buying from nokia.de with a friend's credit card, let me know please
Jan 07 23:08:06 <zetheroo> I just got my new N800... but I have a few questions
Jan 07 23:08:18 <zetheroo> for one does Skype work with Video ?
Jan 07 23:08:33 <Cord> pupnik_: i'll blog about it :-)
Jan 07 23:08:57 <Cord> ok, good nite.
Jan 07 23:08:58 <zetheroo> Also how do I upgrade to the latest OS and what benifits does it have over the one that is on it already
Jan 07 23:08:59 <zetheroo> ?
Jan 07 23:09:01 <Luria> its not as nice as an amsn port, but it saves me from running another program (and using more space)
Jan 07 23:09:04 <pupnik> hi zetheroo welcome to the club.  i recall hearing problems about that.  most user questions are discussed on internettablettalk.com - use the search feature
Jan 07 23:09:33 <pupnik> wb lardman
Jan 07 23:09:38 <KaKaRoTo> Luria, oh I know :p but rtcomm doesn't support webcam or voice clips or file transfers or avatars, etc... :p
Jan 07 23:09:46 <Luria> please understand i'm not knocking your efforts
Jan 07 23:09:55 <KaKaRoTo> and webcam/voice clips/file transfers will never be supported because they use libpurple which doesn't support all that
Jan 07 23:10:03 <KaKaRoTo> Luria, nah, don't worry, I didn't think that :)
Jan 07 23:10:06 <Luria> i totally get that
Jan 07 23:10:40 <KaKaRoTo> Luria, what knocks down my efforts is that it's a liiiitle bit too slow (but definitely usable) AND uses too much memory
Jan 07 23:11:38 <Luria> well, maybe in conjuction with rtcom... IOW, rtcom for presence, and an im to start vv chat
Jan 07 23:11:58 <Luria> and amsn to continue
Jan 07 23:12:34 <Luria> it's a kludgy, but efficient use case
Jan 07 23:12:38 <tbb> im searching for the correct syntax for that case    if [ -z $mynumeric or $mynumeric -lt 4 ]; then  shell scripting
Jan 07 23:12:53 <tbb> the or part
Jan 07 23:13:42 <czr> tbb, -o
Jan 07 23:13:46 <czr> tbb, man [
Jan 07 23:14:28 <zetheroo> pupnik: ok... and what about the OS upgrade?
Jan 07 23:14:59 <KaKaRoTo> Luria, yeah, that's what I do now :p leaving amsn open for too long then start a new app it will tell you "you need to close an application to open a new one"
Jan 07 23:15:08 <KaKaRoTo> so amsn is opened only when I need to chat
Jan 07 23:15:31 <Luria> the joys of memleaks
Jan 07 23:15:34 <KaKaRoTo> another amsn developer is waiting for his discount code and I'm sure he'll port it correctly (less eye candy to reduce memory and look out for that memleak)
Jan 07 23:15:58 <KaKaRoTo> Luria, in theory we have zero memleaks.. but I'm starting to doubt it... maybe something new was added recently that causes this
Jan 07 23:16:08 <KaKaRoTo> at startup it uses 42MB of memory.. that's the joys of tcl/tk :p
Jan 07 23:16:26 <Luria> maybe some odd artifact of the porting?
Jan 07 23:16:32 <Luria> christ
Jan 07 23:16:41 <KaKaRoTo> maybe..
Jan 07 23:16:57 <KaKaRoTo> tcl/tk was 'hildonized' and maybe that patch is the one adding a memleak
Jan 07 23:17:05 <KaKaRoTo> oh well, we'll see :)
Jan 07 23:17:11 <Luria> thats kinda what i meant
Jan 07 23:17:19 <KaKaRoTo> it's just great to see maemo being able to handle something like that :)
Jan 07 23:17:21 <Luria> complex systems, yadda yadda
Jan 07 23:17:25 <KaKaRoTo> :)
Jan 07 23:17:54 <Luria> i wish there were better collab tools around
Jan 07 23:17:56 <KaKaRoTo> now I'm trying to port gnash and cabextract... this way we can have winks support on maemo too :d
Jan 07 23:18:06 <Luria> i actually miss netmeeting
Jan 07 23:18:17 <Luria> except for its stability
Jan 07 23:19:10 <zetheroo> how do I upgrade my N800 to the latest OS?
Jan 07 23:20:06 <KaKaRoTo> Luria, lol
Jan 07 23:20:12 <KaKaRoTo> netmeeting?
Jan 07 23:20:12 <KaKaRoTo> :p
Jan 07 23:20:16 <Luria> zetheroo, 1)what platform is your desktop, 2)what os version is on your nokia
Jan 07 23:20:34 <Luria> whatever, V+V and mutliplayer paint
Jan 07 23:20:42 <KaKaRoTo> Luria, in theory farsight has a netmeeting plugin but it's outdated and not compiled anymore
Jan 07 23:20:43 <Luria> and chat, and small
Jan 07 23:21:03 <KaKaRoTo> ah.. no multiplayer paint in farsight though.. :p
Jan 07 23:21:16 <Luria> netmeeting wasnt terrible
Jan 07 23:21:51 <KaKaRoTo> well, it wasn't awesome either
Jan 07 23:21:57 <KaKaRoTo> but it was good for that time
Jan 07 23:22:04 <KaKaRoTo> one of the first few
Jan 07 23:22:49 <zetheroo> Luria: I just got it ... I am running Ubuntu Gutsy on my laptop and I dunno much about the N800
Jan 07 23:22:51 <Luria> i would love a multiplatform v+v, whiteboard, chat, and desktop sharing app
Jan 07 23:22:56 <pierlux> "multiplayer paint" lol
Jan 07 23:23:36 <Luria> zetheroo, go to control panel -> about product
Jan 07 23:24:49 <Luria> pierlux, dont knock multiplayer paint
Jan 07 23:25:38 <Luria> if ion storm had released that instead of daikatana, they might still be in business
Jan 07 23:25:55 <pupnik> sounds intriguing
Jan 07 23:26:26 <pierlux> it's the wording I found funny
Jan 07 23:26:35 <pupnik> Luria: know any open-source painters that allow 'multiplayer'?
Jan 07 23:26:51 <zetheroo> Luria: OS 2007 edition
Jan 07 23:27:23 <Luria> ok, youll need a charged n800 and the usb cable
Jan 07 23:27:58 <Luria> and your wifi mac
Jan 07 23:28:58 <Luria> then follow http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_flashlatestnokiaimagewithlinux/
Jan 07 23:29:20 <Luria> but dont use the linked image, its old
Jan 07 23:31:02 <Luria> fwiw, i always grab the static flasher to avoid headaches, but im paranoid
Jan 07 23:31:08 <zetheroo> Luria: oh my.. this is sounding over my head
Jan 07 23:31:10 <qos> pupnik, the word you are searching for is "collaborativ"
Jan 07 23:31:15 <Luria> its not
Jan 07 23:31:26 <zetheroo> Luria: tell me... are there any major advantages to the new OS?
Jan 07 23:31:59 <Luria> thats a complicated question, read some of the threads on internettablettalk.com
Jan 07 23:32:20 <Luria> i like it, but its not as stable as os2007
Jan 07 23:32:46 <zetheroo> Luria: so it crashes more?
Jan 07 23:32:49 <Luria> its not unstable tho
Jan 07 23:33:14 <Luria> a little more. overall, tho, its faster
Jan 07 23:33:15 <qos> does somebody use the build in chat application and is willing to test a package for me?
Jan 07 23:35:44 <zetheroo> Luria: oh its faster than the old one?
Jan 07 23:35:53 <lcuk_2> zeth - for now there are a lot of apps which have not yet been compiled.  if you are a happy 800 user, dont update unless you see a positive need.  if you are a new user, its probably best going through the upgrade process and then learn the new system in one simpler step
Jan 07 23:36:29 <zetheroo> lcuk_2: I am a new user.... just got it today
Jan 07 23:36:37 <Luria> true. upgrading a built system is a pain
Jan 07 23:36:48 <Luria> then flash
Jan 07 23:37:04 <lcuk_2> i got my 810 recently and had to flash its bios on its first day.  its not *that* tricky as long as you read up first
Jan 07 23:37:18 <zetheroo> hehe.. so what should I do....?
Jan 07 23:37:32 <zetheroo> I thought that since I just got it now would be the best time to update
Jan 07 23:37:33 <Luria> zetheroo, you know basic shell commands? ls, cd, mkdir?
Jan 07 23:37:41 <lcuk_2> do you have a windows install?
Jan 07 23:37:42 <zetheroo> some of them
Jan 07 23:37:49 <zetheroo> Ubuntu Gutsy
Jan 07 23:38:01 <Luria> ok, if you pm me, ill walk you through it
Jan 07 23:38:07 <lcuk_2> i chickened out and used the nokia windows update wizard
Jan 07 23:38:13 <zetheroo> I have my N800 plugged into USB and AC adapter
Jan 07 23:38:17 * lcuk_2 had it easy
Jan 07 23:38:36 <zetheroo> lcuk_2: sigh
Jan 07 23:38:54 <Luria> zetheroo, its a dev channel, id be happy to walk you through this privately.
Jan 07 23:39:06 <lcuk_2> dont worry zeth, if you use linux you wont have probs - from what i have read in the last couple of weeks it goes pretty smoothly
Jan 07 23:39:27 <lcuk_2> take lurias advice :)
Jan 07 23:39:54 <zetheroo> ok
Jan 07 23:39:56 <zetheroo> I will
Jan 07 23:39:58 <zetheroo> I am
Jan 07 23:40:58 <CrashandDie> hey everyone !
Jan 07 23:41:56 <CrashandDie> I'm going to have to develop an app on a n800, it's the final project of my degree
Jan 07 23:42:17 <lcuk_2> hi crash
Jan 07 23:42:22 <CrashandDie> and I've been playing around with the n800, and loved it, so I just bought a n810, should be heading my way end of this week, early next week maybe
Jan 07 23:42:59 <CrashandDie> now, I have this question, I'm all excited and stuff, is there any sort of software that supports SIP on maemo atm ?
Jan 07 23:43:09 <Luria> yeah
Jan 07 23:43:16 <Luria> the native im stack
Jan 07 23:43:18 <Luria> rtcomm
Jan 07 23:43:46 <Luria> also there is a gizmo client which will use other sip servers if properly configured
Jan 07 23:44:03 <sven-tek> Hey everyone
Jan 07 23:44:05 <CrashandDie> sweet, so just input my certificate and I'm good to go ?
Jan 07 23:44:07 <sven-tek> still awake
Jan 07 23:44:15 <CrashandDie> man, I'm about to throw my cell phone away :D
Jan 07 23:45:03 <CrashandDie> so, the n800 I'll be working on is running OS2007, but the n810 runs OS2008... Should I upgrade the n800 so I can use the same development environment for both ?
Jan 07 23:45:27 <sven-tek> sure
Jan 07 23:45:39 <sven-tek> Iam running OS2008 on my N800
Jan 07 23:45:53 <CrashandDie> ok, great
Jan 07 23:45:58 <sven-tek> Dont know what you use to use
Jan 07 23:46:16 <sven-tek> It took some time until i found all my known apps or others
Jan 07 23:46:41 <CrashandDie> well, as I said, I'm an internet tablet virgin, I used it today for the first time
Jan 07 23:47:31 <CrashandDie> so it doesn't change a lot for me if I just start off with OS2008
Jan 07 23:47:40 <sven-tek> yeah
Jan 07 23:47:57 <sven-tek> Today i installed canola2 on my n800
Jan 07 23:48:04 <sven-tek> Thats a must have
Jan 07 23:48:47 <lcuk_2> crash, is your desktop windows or linux?
Jan 07 23:49:05 <sven-tek> But i have one question for the audience. I can not get canola to show any album covers. Is there any trick to do it?
Jan 07 23:49:30 <CrashandDie> lcuk_2, both, unix too... I run debian/gentoo/ubuntu/solaris and xp
Jan 07 23:49:36 <lcuk_2> sven, i had to set my paths to ensure it built the library.  until i did that it didnt find my music
Jan 07 23:50:25 <lcuk_2> crash, get onto the nokia site then - go to the support pages - they have update software and instructions for windows
Jan 07 23:50:27 <lcuk_2> and linux
Jan 07 23:50:38 <CrashandDie> yeah I know, I looked at it earlier today
Jan 07 23:50:47 <lcuk_2> (would give link but nokia seems regionalised - im in europe)
Jan 07 23:50:53 <CrashandDie> I'm in europe too ;)
Jan 07 23:51:00 <lcuk_2> http://europe.nokia.com/A4305010
Jan 07 23:51:02 <lcuk_2> lol
Jan 07 23:51:41 <CrashandDie> I just bookmarked it, cheers
Jan 07 23:52:30 <CrashandDie> sven-tek, wow, canola is slexy man !
Jan 07 23:52:41 <lcuk_2> as you are a new user flashing will give you the simplest experience - a clean slate
Jan 07 23:53:30 <CrashandDie> yeah, I installed xterm on it and ssh, I was tripping with it
Jan 07 23:53:31 <sven-tek> I just read about the OS2008 release. I still run the beta.
Jan 07 23:53:53 <sven-tek> Am i fine with just doing the apt-get dist-upgrade?
Jan 07 23:54:41 <lcuk_2> sven, not sure - there was talk of problems with upgrading
Jan 07 23:54:58 * lcuk_2 remembers something about restoring a full backup
Jan 07 23:55:02 <lcuk_2> 2 tics..
Jan 07 23:55:11 <CrashandDie> so the memory card that comes with it ? Is it 2Gig ?
Jan 07 23:56:00 <lcuk_2> yer crash
Jan 07 23:56:04 <lcuk_2> http://www.maemoapps.com/2007/12/20/if-youve-been-using-the-beta-do-not-restore-from-full-backup-with-os2008/
Jan 07 23:56:11 <lcuk_2> sven - this is what i read
Jan 07 23:56:20 <sven-tek> jesus, my root partition has 18.6MB left O_o
Jan 07 23:56:31 <sven-tek> thanks
Jan 07 23:56:40 <CrashandDie> sven-tek, desktop or tablet ?
Jan 07 23:56:49 <sven-tek> tablet
Jan 07 23:57:28 * lcuk_2 goes back to python hacking
Jan 07 23:57:34 <Luria> i wish i had that
Jan 07 23:57:37 <Luria> much space
Jan 07 23:57:58 <CrashandDie> so, anyone in europe bought it in the states ?
Jan 07 23:58:00 <CrashandDie> That's what I did
Jan 07 23:58:26 <CrashandDie> brb, cigs
Jan 07 23:58:39 <hugolp> CrashandDie:  and what about the diferent voltages?
Jan 07 23:58:56 <CrashandDie> hugolp, it's not a problem
Jan 07 23:59:11 <CrashandDie> hugolp, it's the standard nokia charger, you get those for a bargain
Jan 07 23:59:38 <CrashandDie> hugolp, plus I have like 5 us-eu converters lying around the house, so...
Jan 07 23:59:51 <hugolp> aha, so where did you buy it?
Jan 07 23:59:55 <CrashandDie> ebay :/
Jan 08 00:00:07 <hugolp> ok
Jan 08 00:00:18 <watti> sven, you can burn most of the help files and just keep the language of your choice
Jan 08 00:00:20 <fri> Crash, HWat about keyboard layout ?
Jan 08 00:00:40 <CrashandDie> fri, it's qwerty... What's different about that ?
Jan 08 00:01:06 <CrashandDie> fri, and even if I want regional support, it's just keymapping, nothing software can't handle :)
Jan 08 00:01:23 <CrashandDie> cigs
Jan 08 00:02:30 <lcuk_2> crash - what about tab key
Jan 08 00:03:02 * lcuk_2 tried to save crashes life
Jan 08 00:05:51 <fri> Crash, yea i know, i have US keyboard, its just better for programming than my regional layout
Jan 08 00:06:07 <CrashandDie> lcuk_2, tab key ?
Jan 08 00:06:16 <lcuk_2> 810 has no tabkey
Jan 08 00:06:21 <CrashandDie> and ?
Jan 08 00:06:44 <lcuk_2> i didnt think it would matter until i started to program in python
Jan 08 00:07:11 <sven-tek> watti, i found a huge syslog file recently that burned my root-partition to 100%. It behaves really ugly when there is no space left
Jan 08 00:07:12 <CrashandDie> I'm not going to program on the tablet lol
Jan 08 00:07:35 <CrashandDie> lcuk_2, and even if I
Jan 08 00:07:38 <CrashandDie> *have
Jan 08 00:07:41 <CrashandDie> damnit
Jan 08 00:07:52 <CrashandDie> and even if I *have* to program on it, I'll get myself a BT keyboard
Jan 08 00:08:43 <lcuk_2> yer - im gonna be gettin one myself
Jan 08 00:08:43 <pupnik>  fri 100% agree
Jan 08 00:09:30 <|tbb|> anyone managed to get irc running on os2008, ive just get a few protocols more after installing the sw update. included icq aim yahoo, but no irc ;(
Jan 08 00:09:40 * Mousey did
Jan 08 00:09:56 <Mousey> xchat tho, haven't tried pidgin
Jan 08 00:10:19 <|tbb|> forgotten to say, i use the built in IM
Jan 08 00:10:32 <Mousey> oh. abandon hope all ye who use the builtin IM
Jan 08 00:10:36 <Mousey> [i use it too, shamefully]
Jan 08 00:10:47 <Mousey> besides, xchat is way cooler =)
Jan 08 00:10:50 <Mousey> uh, well.. for IRC
Jan 08 00:11:16 <Mousey> all i really want is freeciv
Jan 08 00:11:20 <Mousey> *me cries*
Jan 08 00:12:10 <Mousey> s/[^.*]/^\//
Jan 08 00:12:16 <CrashandDie> btw, I tried to use cgi irc earlier, didn't seem to work on the OS2007 browser
Jan 08 00:12:39 <abrock> Trying to use NetworkManager in Fedora 8 and I keep getting prompted to that nm_applet request to unlock default keyring. I'm new to linux, so anyone available to help with this. Thanks.
Jan 08 00:13:03 <watti> sven:  Do you know where that file came from?
Jan 08 00:13:04 <CrashandDie> abrock, networkmanager as in Gnome ?
Jan 08 00:13:17 <abrock> I believe so.
Jan 08 00:14:00 <CrashandDie> abrock, the keyring is basically an app that allows you to save a lot different keys, be it wifi networks, internet passwords, etc
Jan 08 00:14:15 <|tbb|> do i have to install the irc protocol from pidgin to use it with built in IM
Jan 08 00:14:34 <CrashandDie> abrock, you probably need to define a "keyring password", each time a program attempts to access the keyring, you'll have to type in that password to grant the privileges
Jan 08 00:14:52 <abrock> crashanddie: I entered the password I set for the current user, and I tried the password for the root. They don't work. So is it a different password.]
Jan 08 00:14:55 <Mousey> |tbb|: uh, i don't think so.
Jan 08 00:15:08 <CrashandDie> abrock, tried an empty field ?
Jan 08 00:15:18 <Mousey> or 12345
Jan 08 00:15:21 <|tbb|> i wonder what im doing wrong
Jan 08 00:15:40 <CrashandDie> abrock, if it doesn't work, try to execute the keyring standalone, and see if you can figure out things from there
Jan 08 00:15:48 <abrock> crashanddie: Empty field brings the prompt back demanding to enter a password...that it cannot be blank. Where do I set the default keyring password?
Jan 08 00:15:56 <lcuk_2> tbb -  i just use xchat in 08
Jan 08 00:16:01 <CrashandDie> abrock, also, if you need more help, the guys in #gnome should be more than willing to help, and probably know a lot more about it
Jan 08 00:16:13 <abrock> Thanks for the info.
Jan 08 00:16:34 <lcuk_2> abrock, 08 has no password, you have to do the ninja gainroot stuff and then set one
Jan 08 00:17:03 <|tbb|> i will reinstall the rt-beta thing
Jan 08 00:17:20 <Luria> guys, im helping zetheroo with linux flashing
Jan 08 00:17:31 <Luria> and for some reason its not going
Jan 08 00:17:33 <abrock> lcuk_2: Pardon my ignorance...what is ninja gainroot stuff
Jan 08 00:17:38 <Luria> the md5 is ok
Jan 08 00:17:55 <Cptnodegard> http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2008/01/iriver_024.jpg  WANTS
Jan 08 00:18:08 <Luria> his output is:
Jan 08 00:18:16 <Luria> (paste to follow)
Jan 08 00:18:18 <Luria> zetheroo> flasher v0.9.0 (Jan 19 2007)
Jan 08 00:18:18 <Luria> <zetheroo> Suitable USB device not found, waiting
Jan 08 00:18:18 <Luria> <zetheroo> USB device found found at bus 005, device address 014
Jan 08 00:18:18 <Luria> <zetheroo> Found device RX-34, hardware revision 1302
Jan 08 00:18:18 <Luria> <zetheroo> NOLO version 1.1.6
Jan 08 00:18:19 <Luria> <zetheroo> Version of 'sw-release': <no version>
Jan 08 00:18:34 <Luria> and then drops him to prompt
Jan 08 00:18:52 <Luria> using flasher-3.0-static
Jan 08 00:19:01 <Luria> any thoughts?
Jan 08 00:19:03 <lcuk_2> when i was flashing it kept showing detected then dropping
Jan 08 00:19:13 <lcuk_2> it was down to button release timings or something but i got it in the end
Jan 08 00:19:14 <zetheroo> Luria: are we sure the command was the right one?
Jan 08 00:19:34 <lcuk_2> has he removed the power
Jan 08 00:19:34 <Luria> the command was fine
Jan 08 00:19:56 <Luria> zetheroo, its unplugged from the adapter, right?
Jan 08 00:20:08 <zetheroo> Luria: yes
Jan 08 00:20:10 <zetheroo> just USB
Jan 08 00:20:32 <zetheroo> lcuk_2: when should the button be released?
Jan 08 00:20:54 <Luria> yeah, thats the one thing thats hard to explain
Jan 08 00:20:59 <zetheroo> and why does it say this: Version of 'sw-release': <no version>
Jan 08 00:21:29 <lcuk_2> zeth, on my 810 i was told to "hold down home button and press power on, when i see the usb symbol i should release the home button"
Jan 08 00:22:01 <zetheroo>  lcuk_2: yeah thats what I did.... but the USB icon is there from the start
Jan 08 00:22:02 <lcuk_2> i did this but because the power button needs an extended press before it will start (its about 1second) i was keeping power down for too long and not catching it
Jan 08 00:22:20 <Luria> ./flasher-3.0-static  RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R
Jan 08 00:22:23 <zetheroo> ok.. I am going to try again
Jan 08 00:22:28 <Luria> use that
Jan 08 00:22:35 <lcuk_2> yer zeth, once you see the usb, release the home key and flashing should be available
Jan 08 00:23:21 <sibbe> shouldnt that be "flasher -F RX.bin -f -R" (missing -F?)
Jan 08 00:23:55 <Luria> gah
Jan 08 00:23:58 <Luria> try that
Jan 08 00:24:04 <zetheroo> huh?
Jan 08 00:24:09 * lcuk_2 spent about 20minutes trying to start it
Jan 08 00:24:09 <Luria> ./flasher-3.0-static -F  RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R
Jan 08 00:25:10 <zetheroo> ok... something is happening
Jan 08 00:25:26 <zetheroo> 100% (134400 of 134400 kB, avg. 7294 kB/s)
Jan 08 00:25:27 <zetheroo> Finishing flashing... done
Jan 08 00:25:38 <Luria> ok, the n800 should reboot now
Jan 08 00:25:46 <Luria> my fault, sorry
Jan 08 00:25:58 <zetheroo> booted up fine
Jan 08 00:26:04 <Mousey> ^_^
Jan 08 00:26:12 <zetheroo> Luria: no thanks for your help
Jan 08 00:26:16 <zetheroo> thanks everyone
Jan 08 00:26:17 <Luria> np
Jan 08 00:26:27 <lcuk_2> :)
Jan 08 00:26:39 <zetheroo> is Skype video possible now?
Jan 08 00:26:45 <Luria> nope
Jan 08 00:27:02 <sibbe> hmm funny, the flasher binary has 3.0 in its name and it says v0.9.0 :)
Jan 08 00:27:22 <zetheroo> what do you use for video conferencing?
Jan 08 00:28:26 <lcuk_2> i dont
Jan 08 00:28:30 <czr> sibbe, 3.0 is marketing version, 0.9.0 is the real one? :-)
Jan 08 00:28:39 <czr> it's like maemo sdk 4.0.. /me runs
Jan 08 00:28:55 <Luria> right, cause flasher 3 is a big commercial project
Jan 08 00:29:03 <czr> it should be!
Jan 08 00:29:11 <lcuk_2> Cptnodegard, wow that looks ummm odd
Jan 08 00:29:20 <zetheroo> lcuk_2: but its possible right?
Jan 08 00:29:23 <czr> cause it contains valuable intellectual trade secret information property thingies
Jan 08 00:29:25 <lcuk_2> i dunno
Jan 08 00:29:28 <lcuk_2> not looked
Jan 08 00:29:42 <fri> zetheroo, Gizmo 4.0 or the build in Gtalk should work for video
Jan 08 00:30:00 <lcuk_2> i bet it was called 3.0 cos it was used with maemo 3.0...
Jan 08 00:30:06 <Robot101> it should do SIP video calls too
Jan 08 00:30:11 <sibbe> czr, yea.. tried flasher-2.0 binary: flasher v0.8.1 (May 30 2006)
Jan 08 00:30:18 <czr> see!
Jan 08 00:30:21 <Luria> actually, v+v on gizmo using the sip stack works
Jan 08 00:30:35 <CrashandDie> My ISP offers SIP, so I'll be able to call for free to like 70 countries ;)
Jan 08 00:30:39 <czr> it's kind of logical sibbe. use 3.0 for version 2008. err. 2007. with maemo sdk 4.0.. err. something.
Jan 08 00:30:40 <zetheroo> fri: nothing built in works with video?
Jan 08 00:30:41 <Luria> the question is what to use in the desktop
Jan 08 00:31:05 <CrashandDie> btw, did anyone ever try to run anything else than maemo ?
Jan 08 00:31:06 <Luria> cp flasher-3.0 flasher-4.0
Jan 08 00:31:11 <Luria> happy?
Jan 08 00:31:20 <lcuk_2> lol luria
Jan 08 00:31:37 <sibbe> ..or just use 0xFFFF http://www.nopcode.org/0xFFFF/
Jan 08 00:31:38 <Luria> CrashandDie, there isnt anything really useful that runs well
Jan 08 00:31:51 <zetheroo> Luria: do you do video conferencing on your Nokia?
Jan 08 00:32:03 <Luria> rarely
Jan 08 00:32:20 <lcuk_2> would sugar run on it?
Jan 08 00:32:32 <lcuk_2> (olpc desktop)
Jan 08 00:32:56 <zetheroo> Luria: what do you use to do it?
Jan 08 00:33:22 <Luria> usually it's n8x0-n8x0
Jan 08 00:33:46 <Luria> but i've used gizmo on windows with the n800
Jan 08 00:34:00 <fri> zetheroo, well, video works with other tablet owners with the build in Gtalk
Jan 08 00:34:09 <Luria> but not using the gizmo client on the n800, using the im stack
Jan 08 00:34:46 <Luria> fri - in theory it should work elsewhere, ive just not seen a v+v jingle client
Jan 08 00:34:59 <zetheroo> I need something which will allow me to video conference with PC and other tablet users
Jan 08 00:35:51 <Luria> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jingle_(protocol)
Jan 08 00:36:05 <Robot101> there was actually an instant video client made to talk to the N800s, but they didn't get us to write it so it worked badly... :P
Jan 08 00:36:17 <Robot101> so it was cancelled
Jan 08 00:36:18 <zetheroo> so there is nothing for this?
Jan 08 00:36:32 <zetheroo> thats the main reason I was getting it
Jan 08 00:36:35 <Robot101> well, SIP video calling should work
Jan 08 00:36:47 <Robot101> I'm no expert on windows SIP clients though
Jan 08 00:36:53 <zetheroo> but does the other end need to be using SIP too?
Jan 08 00:37:09 <zetheroo> what about MSN and Yahoo chat?
Jan 08 00:37:23 <fri> Luria, It only works on the tablets, dont think the specifications for video are complete yet
Jan 08 00:37:24 <zetheroo> is there a all-in-one messenger for that?
Jan 08 00:37:28 <Robot101> not yet...
Jan 08 00:37:41 <Luria> no video on anything other than SIP (or XMPP, in theory)
Jan 08 00:37:59 <Robot101> fri: our implementation on the tableg lags a little behind the jingle spec, but tbh I'm not aware of many other implementations anyway
Jan 08 00:38:07 <rm_you> Gizmo Project works between n800 and WINDOWS pcs >_>
Jan 08 00:38:09 <Robot101> everyone got distracted implementing google talk and not real jingle
Jan 08 00:38:54 <Luria> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11090
Jan 08 00:38:55 <lcuk_2> but google is the gods
Jan 08 00:39:21 <lcuk_2> speaking of which will android work on them?
Jan 08 00:39:29 <lcuk_2> (them=n8x0
Jan 08 00:39:36 <Luria> quote:The problem is that (suprisingly) the N800/OS2007 seems to be the only Jabber/XMPP client on the planet to have jingle-video support. Even Google's own gTalk PC client doesn't even have it, and they basically authored the jingle-audio, jingle-video specs! I guess if you look at it, Nokia is just way ahead of the curve, not that it helps
Jan 08 00:40:00 <zetheroo> so how can I chat with Yahoo or MSN?
Jan 08 00:40:02 <Luria> update that to os2008, and that's the problem
Jan 08 00:40:22 <Luria> zetheroo, pidigin or the new rtcomm beta
Jan 08 00:40:33 <jeff1f> jablet!
Jan 08 00:40:36 <Luria> pidgin
Jan 08 00:40:45 <zetheroo> which is best?
Jan 08 00:40:55 <zetheroo> I use pidgin in Ubuntu
Jan 08 00:40:57 <zetheroo> and I like it
Jan 08 00:40:58 <Luria> or gaim, or a transport server, like jablet
Jan 08 00:41:02 <zetheroo> but there is no video
Jan 08 00:41:12 <Luria> i like the new rtcomm stack
Jan 08 00:41:30 <Luria> because its smaller, less to run, less hard disk space
Jan 08 00:41:57 <Robot101> Luria: google didn't basically author jingle, they authored gtalk. I authored the jingle video support... :P
Jan 08 00:42:14 <Luria> note the "quote:"
Jan 08 00:42:30 <Luria> from the thread; not my words
Jan 08 00:42:41 <Robot101> maybe I should join itt. it might get depressing though. but yes, it's kinda bad that google never actually followed on with jingle implementation stuff :/
Jan 08 00:42:55 <zetheroo> how to install pidgin?
Jan 08 00:43:04 <Robot101> we're really happy with the new rtcomm stuff now you can use msn/yahoo on it
Jan 08 00:43:23 <tbbq> running irc from built in IM now,really exited
Jan 08 00:43:35 <Robot101> zetheroo: go to http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org/ and follow the instructions there, you can add MSN and Yahoo to the built in IM client
Jan 08 00:44:03 <Luria> zetheroo, i think thats the best method
Jan 08 00:44:05 <legind> Robot101, at least gizmo has video support
Jan 08 00:44:18 <zetheroo> Robot101: what is the built-in IM client called?
Jan 08 00:44:24 <Luria> i just removed pidigin las night
Jan 08 00:44:31 <Robot101> zetheroo: "Chat", "Internet call", "Contacts"... :)
Jan 08 00:44:38 <Luria> legind, um, so does rtcomm
Jan 08 00:44:49 <zetheroo> legind: gizmo? video support? from N800 to PC?
Jan 08 00:44:51 <Robot101> zetheroo: it's based on Telepathy real-time communications framework http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/
Jan 08 00:44:52 <legind> Luria, haven't tried it yet
Jan 08 00:45:06 <Robot101> legind: you can video call using SIP on the built-in client, as well as jingle
Jan 08 00:45:22 <|tbb|> is it just for me or does the IM eats much cpu, as showed in statusbar applet
Jan 08 00:45:33 <legind> Robot101, ah very cool
Jan 08 00:45:35 <Luria> rtcomm has always had v+v for jingle and sip since last fall
Jan 08 00:45:54 <Robot101> jingle video for a year now
Jan 08 00:45:58 <|tbb|> top says 93-99 %
Jan 08 00:46:25 <Robot101> |tbb|: can you see which program is doing it? run ps in the console and look at the CPU %s?
Jan 08 00:46:37 <|tbb|> telepathy-gabbl
Jan 08 00:46:40 <rm_you> zetheroo: yes, Gizmo does video from n800 -> PC
Jan 08 00:46:45 <rm_you> zetheroo: i said that earlier :P
Jan 08 00:46:58 <Robot101> |tbb|: oh dear... :(
Jan 08 00:47:00 <zetheroo> Robot101: that link looks great.... where do I start.. heh?
Jan 08 00:47:06 <Robot101> |tbb|: are you using jabber or google talk?
Jan 08 00:47:25 <|tbb|> yes also
Jan 08 00:47:30 <|tbb|> gtalk
Jan 08 00:47:32 <Robot101> zetheroo: the thing about the built-in client is that it's built in, you don't need to install it. you just asked what it's called. :P
Jan 08 00:48:00 <zetheroo> Robot101: I maen before that .. the link you sent me about adding MSN and Yahoo
Jan 08 00:48:11 <Robot101> zetheroo: the rtcomm.garage.maemo.org thing has instructions, a link to click on the N800 to start the install
Jan 08 00:48:32 <Luria> i have 0 cpu, 11mb for messagebus
Jan 08 00:49:00 <zetheroo> Robot101: do I need to have the nokia plugged in?
Jan 08 00:49:24 <|tbb|> i had disabled googletalk account still the same, will trying a reboot
Jan 08 00:50:15 <zetheroo> I need MSN, Yahoo and IRC chat
Jan 08 00:50:51 <Robot101> zetheroo: the instructions on the page. go to them. read them. do what it says. you need to run the application installed then do something, then click the magic link from the browser on the device itself...
Jan 08 00:50:55 <CrashandDie> lolz
Jan 08 00:51:54 <Luria> yeah, forgot about the installer icon
Jan 08 00:51:59 <Luria> was driving me nuts
Jan 08 00:52:09 <zetheroo> Robot101: is thsi going to give me IRC, yahoo and msn?
Jan 08 00:52:09 <Luria> can the installer be safely removed?
Jan 08 00:52:25 <Luria> zetheroo, yes
Jan 08 00:52:28 <Robot101> zetheroo: yes
Jan 08 00:52:40 <Luria> but id stick with xchat for irc
Jan 08 00:52:52 <zetheroo> can I also undo everything I do here?
Jan 08 00:53:07 <lcuk_2> you can reflash anytime and get back to this exact spot
Jan 08 00:53:13 <zetheroo> Luria: so maybe I should just go with Pidgin and do everythign through it
Jan 08 00:53:14 <zetheroo> ?
Jan 08 00:53:43 <Luria> no, i am just not a fan of mixing irc with im
Jan 08 00:53:52 <Luria> they are different models
Jan 08 00:54:01 <Robot101> pidgin's an IM client too anyway :)
Jan 08 00:54:06 <Luria> besides, xchat is the best irc client on maemo
Jan 08 00:54:10 <tbbq> nice no more cpu eating
Jan 08 00:54:24 * lcuk_2 takes a bite out of bbq's cpu
Jan 08 00:54:25 <Robot101> tbbq: shame I couldn't think of some way to find out /why/ it was eating the CPI
Jan 08 00:54:27 <Robot101> *CPU
Jan 08 00:54:31 <Luria> i mean, the best solution, imo is rtcomm + xchat for ir
Jan 08 00:54:33 <Luria> irc
Jan 08 00:54:35 <pupnik> xchat needs a 'paste' function and fullscreen Luria
Jan 08 00:54:42 <Robot101> tbbq: do you have a slow/unreliable network connection?
Jan 08 00:54:51 <lcuk_2> pup? my xchat goes full
Jan 08 00:55:02 <Luria> whats wrong with fullscreen?
Jan 08 00:55:19 <pupnik> no fullscreen on os2006
Jan 08 00:55:19 <Luria> also, i irc with a real keyboard
Jan 08 00:55:24 <tbbq> /nick |tbb|
Jan 08 00:55:28 <Luria> os 2006!?!
Jan 08 00:55:39 <Luria> how is that a valid complaint?
Jan 08 00:55:45 <pupnik> nokia 770
Jan 08 00:56:02 <Luria> i get that, but if you can use irc, you can use 2007he
Jan 08 00:56:04 <CrashandDie> I'm off
Jan 08 00:56:07 <CrashandDie> I'll see you guys laterz
Jan 08 00:56:09 <CrashandDie> bye
Jan 08 00:56:44 <lcuk> hello big luck
Jan 08 00:56:50 <lcuk_2> ello little lcuk
Jan 08 00:56:57 <pupnik> i think the masses of 770 owners are still on 2006
Jan 08 00:57:23 <lcuk> pup better than fudging
Jan 08 00:58:22 <Luria> i understand, as i have one (770) too, but again, irc is a fairly advanced concept given most computer users
Jan 08 00:58:40 <Luria> enough that if you need irc, you know how to flash HE
Jan 08 00:59:39 <lcuk> signing out guys, cyas
Jan 08 01:00:10 <czr> Luria, anything is fairly advanced given most computer users ;-)
Jan 08 01:01:07 <pupnik> Luria: good points. I have flashed 2007he but most of my ports need testing on 2006
Jan 08 01:01:59 <Luria> i cant imagine that support for 06 will last much longer
Jan 08 01:02:13 <Luria> even amongst the community
Jan 08 01:02:22 <Luria> perhaps especially so
Jan 08 01:03:10 <Luria> sure, there will be forks, but the price of a n800 is so low that i suspect most enthusiasts will jump
Jan 08 01:03:28 <czr> there'll be a lot of old 770s lying around
Jan 08 01:04:16 <rm_you> portable web servers you can shove somewhere like the ceiling in random buildings? :P
Jan 08 01:04:38 <czr> I'm thinking of animated picture frames that you can update over the wlan
Jan 08 01:04:43 <czr> with sound
Jan 08 01:04:56 <|tbb|> rm_you i was often think about that
Jan 08 01:05:57 <rm_you> heh
Jan 08 01:09:06 <zetheroo> well I installed pidgin..,. for a newbie it was much easier than the other thing....
Jan 08 01:09:29 <Luria> huzzah, openvpn works
Jan 08 01:09:45 <Luria> now i have to try and break it
Jan 08 01:13:12 <zetheroo> is it just me ??? or is there a plastic lining on the screen?
Jan 08 01:13:34 <GeneralAntilles> There is.
Jan 08 01:13:34 <Luria> no there is a "screen protector"
Jan 08 01:13:39 <GeneralAntilles> It's a factory screen protector
Jan 08 01:13:41 <GeneralAntilles> I'd leave it on.
Jan 08 01:14:02 <zetheroo> oh ok
Jan 08 01:14:11 <zetheroo> is it possible to take it off?
Jan 08 01:14:15 <Luria> i'd leave it on as long as it takes you to buy a real one
Jan 08 01:14:16 <GeneralAntilles> Sure
Jan 08 01:14:21 <GeneralAntilles> but it protects your screen
Jan 08 01:14:25 <Robot101> eh?
Jan 08 01:14:30 <GeneralAntilles> from evil scratches and the like. :)
Jan 08 01:14:34 <Robot101> it scratches and glares like a bitch
Jan 08 01:14:44 <Luria> its good for 2 weeks tops
Jan 08 01:14:45 <czr> only good scratches get through
Jan 08 01:14:47 <Robot101> you won't be able to see anything after a matter of days
Jan 08 01:14:51 <Robot101> rip it off
Jan 08 01:14:57 <GeneralAntilles> Grab yourself an anti-glare protector from boxwave.com
Jan 08 01:15:01 <Robot101> the real screen's fine
Jan 08 01:15:04 <GeneralAntilles> wait for that to arrive before you take it off.
Jan 08 01:15:21 <Robot101> if you keep it in the sock and don't tumble dry it with your car keys or something :P
Jan 08 01:15:23 <GeneralAntilles> Robot101: I beg to differ, I used the factory protector for 6 MONTHS. :)
Jan 08 01:15:40 <zetheroo> is it possible to get the remove the Get Started and other large icon off the display?
Jan 08 01:17:41 <zetheroo> and there is this other sticker on the LCD protector thats really not coming off
Jan 08 01:17:54 <zetheroo> I am afraid to break the screen if I am to rough
Jan 08 01:18:20 <Luria> n800 is pretty sturdy
Jan 08 01:18:35 <Luria> its had a number of meeting with manhattan concrete
Jan 08 01:19:24 <Luria> a bit dented at the speakers, but it hasnt left my side since june
Jan 08 01:19:36 <zetheroo> awww. ... why the heck do they put a sticker there that will leave a silvery mess when taken off?
Jan 08 01:19:50 <Robot101> zetheroo: because you're meant to take it off :P
Jan 08 01:20:12 <Luria> cause the bible tells you so
Jan 08 01:20:32 <Luria> ok, on to openvpn routing
Jan 08 01:20:40 <zetheroo> ha
Jan 08 01:21:15 <zetheroo> GeneralAntilles: how did you get the protector clean?
Jan 08 01:21:26 <GeneralAntilles> My sticker came right off.
Jan 08 01:21:36 <GeneralAntilles> Either blot at it with the sticker
Jan 08 01:21:48 <GeneralAntilles> get yourself some Rosonol to rub it off with
Jan 08 01:21:52 <zetheroo> no silvery rubbish?
Jan 08 01:21:54 <GeneralAntilles> or take the whole protector off.
Jan 08 01:21:55 <GeneralAntilles> No
Jan 08 01:22:37 <Robot101> it has a little silvery tab as a message to you: remove the whole thing :P
Jan 08 01:22:53 <zetheroo> what about some alcohol?
Jan 08 01:23:02 <Robot101> if that helps you muster the courage, go for it
Jan 08 01:23:11 <GeneralAntilles> Might work
Jan 08 01:23:15 <GeneralAntilles> Don't use much, though
Jan 08 01:23:21 <GeneralAntilles> Will probably just cloud the protector.
Jan 08 01:23:27 <Robot101> #maemo encourages responsible drinking
Jan 08 01:24:35 <zetheroo> ha
Jan 08 01:30:13 <zetheroo> GeneralAntilles: you were talking about a long-term solution to protecting the screen?
Jan 08 01:30:42 <GeneralAntilles> boxwave.com
Jan 08 01:30:44 <GeneralAntilles> anti-glare
Jan 08 01:30:59 <zetheroo> oh.. thats not a screen protector?
Jan 08 01:31:04 <GeneralAntilles> It is
Jan 08 01:31:36 <zetheroo> Robot101: how do I get the square icons on the screen to go away?
Jan 08 01:31:46 <zetheroo> GeneralAntilles: oh ok
Jan 08 01:32:03 <Robot101> which ones?
Jan 08 01:32:10 <Robot101> on the home view?
Jan 08 01:32:13 <Robot101> or down the side?
Jan 08 01:35:14 <zetheroo> Robot101: the Getting started and other big icon on the display
Jan 08 01:35:46 <Robot101> click home, then select applets?
Jan 08 01:39:39 <sven-tek> does anyone know how canola can be configured to show cover-images?
Jan 08 02:02:39 <sven-tek> hmm, just downloaded albumcover.py , but it doesnt run properly
Jan 08 02:02:58 * sven-tek gets some sleep bye
Jan 08 02:03:59 <|tbb|> i like the screenshot part http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14613
Jan 08 02:07:39 <KaKaRoTo> |tbb|, kik
Jan 08 02:07:43 <KaKaRoTo> s/kik/lol/
Jan 08 02:07:44 <infobot> KaKaRoTo meant: |tbb|, lol
Jan 08 02:07:53 <KaKaRoTo> infobot, thx :p
Jan 08 02:08:17 <|tbb|> heh
Jan 08 02:09:36 <nwidger> is there a channel specifically for the modest mail client?
Jan 08 02:10:52 <lcuk> hey guys
Jan 08 02:11:31 <lcuk> can any linux gods tell me how why i cant edit the file
Jan 08 02:11:34 <lcuk> /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr/rx-44
Jan 08 02:11:46 <lcuk> is it cos i neeed root
Jan 08 02:12:53 <|tbb|> hey dragorn, having 3,5h running kismet without stopping gathering packages, is it os releated or just because its n810?
Jan 08 02:16:34 <nwidger> how can i find out my ip address on the n810?  ifconfig isnt installed
Jan 08 02:17:12 <|tbb|> as root running ifconfig
Jan 08 02:17:46 <nwidger> how do i become root
Jan 08 02:18:51 <nwidger> |tbb|: how do i become root?
Jan 08 02:19:36 <|tbb|> add this catlog to your repository http://eko.one.pl/maemo
Jan 08 02:20:07 <nwidger> |tbb|: okay, then what?
Jan 08 02:20:10 <|tbb|> bora user
Jan 08 02:20:43 <nwidger> becomeroot?
Jan 08 02:20:46 <nwidger> is that what i want
Jan 08 02:20:51 <|tbb|> then install becomeroot
Jan 08 02:20:54 <nwidger> gotcha
Jan 08 02:21:04 <nwidger> okay id heard of this, didnt know where to get it
Jan 08 02:21:05 <nwidger> thanks :)
Jan 08 02:22:10 <|tbb|> for further applications go gronmayer.de/it
Jan 08 02:22:33 <lcuk> how do you stop bein root?
Jan 08 02:22:49 <|tbb|> exit
Jan 08 02:23:17 <lcuk> so its for the duration of the termsession?
Jan 08 02:24:16 <nwidger> |tbb|: how many of those repositories are "safe" to use?
Jan 08 02:24:18 <|tbb|> yeah i guess so if you not started any other application as root user
Jan 08 02:25:01 <nwidger> |tbb|: but i mean adding them wont screw up dependancies and stuff
Jan 08 02:25:06 <nwidger> make me have to flash the stupid thing again
Jan 08 02:25:47 <|tbb|> if u dont needed just deactivate it
Jan 08 02:25:53 <nwidger> k
Jan 08 02:26:19 <lcuk> so i can becomeroot, try to edit the file i think i  need root for, then closeterm and i will be back to standard user
Jan 08 02:26:29 <t_s_o> hmm, i fear that that nokia just got one-upped by a mid...
Jan 08 02:26:46 <lcuk> mid?
Jan 08 02:26:54 <nwidger> |tbb|: so i installed becomeroot but i cant run it, it says command not found
Jan 08 02:26:58 <|tbb|> lcuk, thats right
Jan 08 02:27:11 <lcuk> good, thanx for the info
Jan 08 02:27:12 <|tbb|> sudo gainroot
Jan 08 02:27:17 <nwidger> ah okay
Jan 08 02:27:39 <nwidger> thanks :)
Jan 08 02:28:01 * lcuk wont be nervous to try this tomorrow
Jan 08 02:28:06 <t_s_o> http://www.pocketables.net/2008/01/digifriends-mid.html?cid=96247002 <- just take a look at that keyboard ;)
Jan 08 02:29:10 <|tbb|> np, gotta go now. internettablettalk.com/forums is a good point to get infos around nxxx
Jan 08 02:31:12 <lcuk> tso that wont be even close to price of nokia but holy shit it looks good
Jan 08 02:31:39 <t_s_o> yes, price is the real question right now...
Jan 08 02:32:05 <lcuk> its gonna be at least as much as an oqo...
Jan 08 02:32:17 <t_s_o> well its supposed to run linux so...
Jan 08 02:32:18 <lcuk> maybe more
Jan 08 02:32:38 <|tbb|> http://www.pocketables.net/2007/12/e-lead-electron.html two weeks ago i was thinking about an input technology like this, two weeks later its going to public ,heh
Jan 08 02:34:59 <GeneralAntilles> Interesting, but it's gonna cost a fortune.
Jan 08 02:35:03 <GeneralAntilles> No battery life, either.
Jan 08 02:35:48 <lcuk> dont knock it, the spec have been scaled down, the battery pack actually weights 7kg ;)
Jan 08 02:36:21 <GeneralAntilles> An even better question: what does it run?
Jan 08 02:36:30 <lcuk> xp vista linux
Jan 08 02:36:49 <lcuk> its a strange distro
Jan 08 02:36:53 <lcuk> lol
Jan 08 02:37:58 <|tbb|> mylo 2 a competitor of n810
Jan 08 02:38:07 <GeneralAntilles> Not with it's OS.
Jan 08 02:38:15 <GeneralAntilles> er, its*
Jan 08 02:40:00 <|tbb|> but for most ppl who arent familar with linux its defintly a competitor
Jan 08 02:40:15 <GeneralAntilles> 800*480 at the iPhone's screensize is kinda insane.
Jan 08 02:41:12 <lcuk> gen, you on bout the 8x0?
Jan 08 02:42:20 <GeneralAntilles> What?
Jan 08 02:44:29 <lcuk> screen
Jan 08 02:44:35 <GeneralAntilles> Mylo 2
Jan 08 02:44:38 <lcuk> ahh
Jan 08 02:45:31 <lcuk> didnt thikn there ws much diff in size between 8x0 and iphone apart frfom res
Jan 08 02:47:05 <GeneralAntilles> iPhone is much smaller
Jan 08 02:47:08 <GeneralAntilles> 3.5" screen
Jan 08 02:47:46 <zetheroo> hey why is it that skype doesn't go to the notification area ?
Jan 08 02:49:38 <lcuk> just noticed and also read up on mylo
Jan 08 02:54:06 <zetheroo> anyone?
Jan 08 02:54:08 <GeneralAntilles> Because Skype is proprietary and crappy.
Jan 08 02:54:30 <zetheroo> another question: is it possible to transfer data over USB?
Jan 08 02:54:30 <GeneralAntilles> If you want something better, and aren't tied to Skype. Gizmo is the way to go.
Jan 08 02:54:35 <GeneralAntilles> Yes
Jan 08 02:54:37 <GeneralAntilles> Just plug it in.
Jan 08 02:54:57 <zetheroo> GeneralAntilles: but with Gizmo doesn't everyone else need to have gizmo too?
Jan 08 02:55:31 <GeneralAntilles> Only for IM
Jan 08 02:55:33 <GeneralAntilles> Not for calling
Jan 08 02:55:36 <GeneralAntilles> Same as Skype.
Jan 08 02:56:07 <lcuk> zeth try puttin bug report in its nokia supported cos its preinstalled
Jan 08 02:56:10 <GeneralAntilles> You can use the built-in client, too.
Jan 08 02:56:15 <zetheroo> well for everything from calling to im... just not if you call to a regular phone
Jan 08 02:56:47 <GeneralAntilles> Gizmo does everything Skype does (well, everything + video, which Skype doesn't do), except they use open protocols.
Jan 08 02:57:37 <lcuk> skype should do video tho
Jan 08 02:57:52 <lcuk> it does on desktop...
Jan 08 02:58:05 <GeneralAntilles> It doesn't on maemo
Jan 08 02:58:07 <GeneralAntilles> Gizmo does, though.
Jan 08 02:58:21 <zetheroo> ok... but for me to call someone on their PC with Gizmo... he or she has to have Gizmo as well.... right?
Jan 08 02:58:24 <GeneralAntilles> Aside from adoption numbers, Gizmo is pretty much better than Skype in every way possible.
Jan 08 02:58:27 <GeneralAntilles> Right
Jan 08 02:58:28 <nwidger> but skype will add video support soon, im sure
Jan 08 02:58:39 <GeneralAntilles> or you could pay for out credits and call their phone
Jan 08 02:58:49 <lcuk> nw i agree they should align
Jan 08 02:58:54 <GeneralAntilles> Same as they'd have to have Skype for you to call them with Skype.
Jan 08 02:59:10 <GeneralAntilles> Eh, maybe, nwidger, but Gizmo has it NOW.
Jan 08 02:59:21 <zetheroo> GeneralAntilles: I need something for internet calling with video....
Jan 08 02:59:29 <GeneralAntilles> Gizmo
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