**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jan 08 02:59:56 2008
Jan 08 03:00:01 <lcuk> does it connect to ppl with skype at the other end or do they ned gizmo?
Jan 08 03:01:31 <GeneralAntilles> Yes, they either need a phone or Gizmo.
Jan 08 03:01:35 <GeneralAntilles> Just like Skype.
Jan 08 03:01:45 <GeneralAntilles> Skype uses proprietary stuff, so only Skype can talk to Skype
Jan 08 03:02:00 <GeneralAntilles> They could use another Jabber client to logon to their Gizmo account for IM
Jan 08 03:03:25 <lcuk> right, so skype need to pull their arses out and get video on here workin - i know its good to havee openness but i cant get all current skype ppl toinstall and change ttheir setup just for me
Jan 08 03:03:35 <Luria> yes! opevpn and n800 with route is finally working
Jan 08 03:03:43 <Luria> now to generate more keys
Jan 08 03:04:32 <lcuk> does skype on full linux have video does anyone know?
Jan 08 03:04:50 <lcuk> ie x86
Jan 08 03:04:52 <GeneralAntilles> Yes
Jan 08 03:04:55 <GeneralAntilles> But not on maemo
Jan 08 03:05:47 <lcuk> so it may just need the skype devs and some maemo hackers gettin together to do some portin to the dsp
Jan 08 03:06:37 <shacka1> yes, for reasonably large values of "just"
Jan 08 03:06:49 <lcuk> lol
Jan 08 03:06:52 <nwidger> but gizmo on ubuntu doesnt have video support :(
Jan 08 03:07:07 <lcuk> lol
Jan 08 03:07:52 <lcuk> do any of the other arm phones have skype video?
Jan 08 03:08:13 <lcuk> maybe the port is already done it just needs gluing
Jan 08 03:08:57 <lcuk> oh poo, ive gotta sleep
Jan 08 03:09:19 <lcuk> gnite
Jan 08 03:30:48 <K`zan> I've got a largish pile of updates the want libillumination0 but apparent;y it is missing.  Not sure what is going on, but could it be that I need to change all repositories back to "respoitory"?
Jan 08 03:31:05 <K`zan> [+"i"] ?
Jan 08 03:31:52 <GeneralAntilles> stage.maemo.org is no longer public
Jan 08 03:31:59 <GeneralAntilles> and repository.maemo.org is working fine.
Jan 08 03:35:02 <K`zan> OK, so I can go change everything back, thanks much!
Jan 08 03:35:23 <K`zan> Perhaps even ssh will finally update!
Jan 08 03:37:34 <zetheroo> GeneralAntilles: hey ... I installed gizmo....and tried to call a friend who uses Gizmo on his PC ... and I could hear him but he could not hear me
Jan 08 03:37:50 <K`zan> zetheroo: Same problem under kubuntu...
Jan 08 03:38:01 <K`zan> Works *fine* on the n800 tough.
Jan 08 03:38:06 <K`zan> though.
Jan 08 03:39:13 <zetheroo> GeneralAntilles: also I cannot find any video options in gizmo
Jan 08 03:39:19 <GeneralAntilles> zetheroo: sounds like a firewall issue.
Jan 08 03:40:12 <GeneralAntilles> I think you just have to open up the camera
Jan 08 03:40:16 <GeneralAntilles> Haven't use it myself
Jan 08 03:40:53 <zetheroo> GeneralAntilles: what should I do about the sound?
Jan 08 03:41:01 <halley> http://halley.cc/screenshot11.png - http://halley.cc/screenshot12.png - pygame work in progress
Jan 08 03:41:17 <GeneralAntilles> Google it
Jan 08 03:41:19 <GeneralAntilles> It's a NAT issue
Jan 08 03:41:22 <GeneralAntilles> Don't remember the fix
Jan 08 03:41:49 <zetheroo> fix for the PC or the N800?
Jan 08 03:42:23 <GeneralAntilles> It's a NAT issue
Jan 08 03:42:26 <GeneralAntilles> at somebody's router.
Jan 08 03:42:28 <halley> zetheroo, if it's networked teleconference stuff, it's fixes for the NAT (the router).
Jan 08 03:42:37 <Merlinus> hi. any astronomy soft for n800?
Jan 08 03:43:08 <zetheroo> halley: what shoudl I tell my friend to do?
Jan 08 03:43:22 <halley> You've already been told to google for a solution.
Jan 08 03:43:48 <halley> Recipient router must expect certain ports and forward them to the right node on their network.
Jan 08 03:44:26 <halley> "How can I teleconference behind a NAT router?"
Jan 08 03:46:12 <zetheroo> one thing I do not like about the N800 is that the back panel is very flimsy
Jan 08 03:46:39 <shacka1> halley: WOW, I've been looking for a flashcard game for ages :D
Jan 08 03:46:53 <dragorn> halley: Graphics look really smooth
Jan 08 03:46:58 <dragorn> halley: cairo?
Jan 08 03:47:34 <halley> shacka1, thanks, still working on it... it'll be a while before the first five areas are playable for a 1.0 release.
Jan 08 03:47:45 <shacka1> halley: it's on the emulator or on the device? (because I don't have any of the sidebar or traybar icons on the emulator)
Jan 08 03:48:13 <halley> shacka1, running on the device, plain old honest screenshot.
Jan 08 03:48:26 <shacka1> halley: any chance it will do chinese one day? :)
Jan 08 03:48:48 <halley> dragorn, no, plain old pygame without any third-party libraries, not even the sprite class.
Jan 08 03:49:09 <halley> It's a bit slow (8fps) on the device, but wicked on the PC.
Jan 08 03:50:09 <halley> http://halley.cc/screenshot07.png
Jan 08 03:50:31 <shacka1> zomg
Jan 08 03:50:40 <shacka1> anyway, no chinese?
Jan 08 03:51:06 <halley> No plans for it, but you're welcome to build that out later.  :)
Jan 08 03:51:23 <halley> I'll be releasing all sources at the 1.0.
Jan 08 03:51:46 <shacka1> halley: heh, if I knew chinese already I wouldn't be looking for learning software :)
Jan 08 03:52:52 <zetheroo> halley: I tried googling it.. and I am not finding anything presice
Jan 08 03:53:57 <shacka1> halley: anyway, great job
Jan 08 03:54:35 <halley> Thanks.
Jan 08 03:54:51 <K`zan> Nope, changed all the repostories back to respository and the stuff needing libillunimation0 still claim the package is missing.  Am I missing a repo for that?!?
Jan 08 03:55:45 <GeneralAntilles> scratchbox or device, K`zan?
Jan 08 03:55:50 <GeneralAntilles> It's not mentioned on gronmayer
Jan 08 03:55:57 <K`zan> GeneralAntilles: Device Sir!
Jan 08 03:56:37 <GeneralAntilles> Dunno, then.
Jan 08 03:56:40 <GeneralAntilles> Google turn it up?
Jan 08 03:56:45 <GeneralAntilles> What are you trying to install?
Jan 08 03:56:49 <rm_you> Merlinus: I may start work on some in the next months
Jan 08 03:57:04 <rm_you> as I am going to be taking an astronomy class, and it will probably be useful for studying :)
Jan 08 03:57:08 <K`zan> "unable to update diskusage: Application packages missing: libillumination0(<0.1.20071224-1) - listed twice...
Jan 08 03:57:36 <K`zan> GeneralAntilles: Trying to update diskusage.
Jan 08 03:57:42 <Merlinus> great rm_you !
Jan 08 03:57:49 <K`zan> And a raft of others.
Jan 08 03:57:58 <elb> halley: haha, nice title on the cling pad
Jan 08 03:58:41 <halley> elb, arigatou
Jan 08 03:59:17 <GeneralAntilles> Dunno
Jan 08 03:59:28 <K`zan> findmine, libillumination0 itself and wifiinfo - all want it.
Jan 08 04:00:06 <GeneralAntilles> Maybe a deprecated maemo package?
Jan 08 04:00:17 <blast007> I see "libillumination0" on gronmayer.com/it/
Jan 08 04:00:24 <blast007> for both OS2008 and OS2007
Jan 08 04:00:32 <K`zan> How can a current package have depreciated dependancies and still want to update :-(?!?
Jan 08 04:00:41 <GeneralAntilles> Right, blast007
Jan 08 04:00:42 <GeneralAntilles> I do too
Jan 08 04:00:45 <K`zan> blast007: Checking
Jan 08 04:00:48 * GeneralAntilles needs to learn how to type.
Jan 08 04:00:54 <blast007> ;)
Jan 08 04:00:54 <GeneralAntilles> Thanks, blast007!
Jan 08 04:01:04 * blast007 just copied and pasted  ;)
Jan 08 04:01:11 <K`zan> LOL, GeneralAntilles accurate typeing if forbiden by charter on irc :)
Jan 08 04:01:15 <Luria> oh yeah, whats with libillumination?
Jan 08 04:01:35 <K`zan> No idea, other than several packages want it to be able to update.
Jan 08 04:01:54 <Luria> ive had problems with it for about 3-4 days
Jan 08 04:02:19 <K`zan> openssh is also got a missing openssh-common....
Jan 08 04:02:25 <K`zan> probably server too.
Jan 08 04:02:45 <Luria> i had that problem, but it eventually worked
Jan 08 04:02:46 <K`zan> Luria: Same here, was patient and then asked :).
Jan 08 04:03:17 <Luria> no one knew what i was talking about
Jan 08 04:03:22 <K`zan> Noticed that the installs and updates both seem to have that problem reasonably often here.  Sometimes fine and then they seem to get stuck erroring out.
Jan 08 04:03:53 <dragorn> I wouldn't apply updates to base packages
Jan 08 04:04:33 <dragorn> halley: I was hoping you were using cairo because I'm looking to optimize some complex drawing ops, but it seems like you're seeing performance issues too :P
Jan 08 04:04:46 <K`zan> dragorn: I have NO idea what it is safe to update anymore, to be honest.
Jan 08 04:05:03 <dragorn> K`zan: generally if I didn't install it myself, I don't update it
Jan 08 04:05:32 <halley> dragorn, I haven't tried cairo, to be honest.
Jan 08 04:05:39 <K`zan> dragorn: I have no idea how many dependancies are dragged in with what.  Everything installed here I have installed myself...
Jan 08 04:05:51 <halley> dragorn, I try hard to minimize dependencies to remain super-cross-platform.
Jan 08 04:05:55 <dragorn> halley: cairo is slick.  I'm just abusing it heavily.
Jan 08 04:06:14 <dragorn> halley: yeah.  Cairo is pretty crossplatform now, it's the gtk 2d engine for the base widget graphics
Jan 08 04:06:22 <K`zan> I think I am just going to delete all the repositories and go get all of them from gronmyer...
Jan 08 04:06:48 <halley> Even "gtk" is something I don't want to bundle or depend on.  I want a simple py2exe for win-users when I'm done.
Jan 08 04:07:13 <dragorn> halley: fair enough
Jan 08 04:07:18 <Luria> ooh. tired
Jan 08 04:07:29 <Luria> i should sleep or beat portal again.
Jan 08 04:07:39 <GeneralAntilles> K`zan, red pill is off, right?
Jan 08 04:07:49 <dragorn> halley: http://kismetwireless.net/screenshot/spectool-gtk-dev.jpg and http://kismetwireless.net/screenshot/wispy810.jpg for examples of what I'm doing.  I suppose it's a bit much to ask the poor thing to do a lot of alpha blending.
Jan 08 04:08:21 <GeneralAntilles> powervr. :(
Jan 08 04:08:23 <dragorn> halley: of course os2008-final broke usb host and now it kernel panics enumerating the device
Jan 08 04:08:30 <halley> dragorn, heh, yes.  And python's not good for messing with surfarray either.  I do the bare minimum.
Jan 08 04:08:35 <dragorn> GeneralAntilles: no kidding, if we could use that to accelerate the 2d ops I'd be super happy
Jan 08 04:08:42 <halley> It's fine except on the ARM platform, that is.
Jan 08 04:08:59 <dragorn> halley: actually most of the cairo docs use python as their example language :)
Jan 08 04:09:23 <halley> dragorn, when you're on the ARM, you have no psyco to help out.
Jan 08 04:09:38 <dragorn> halley: Not sure what psyco is
Jan 08 04:09:46 <halley> python JIT for intel
Jan 08 04:09:49 <dragorn> ah
Jan 08 04:10:10 <dragorn> yes.  lacking a jit would make things suck.
Jan 08 04:11:06 <dragorn> my code is all in C, python was a dep I wasn't willing to have
Jan 08 04:11:34 <K`zan> absolutely brilliant, small black letters on dark grey, brilliant!
Jan 08 04:16:55 <K`zan> Well, that was stupid, sigh.  malformed line in sources list for god knows how many of those repos I just added.  Time to walk away from this for a while before I use the n800 for a hammer...
Jan 08 04:36:53 <zetheroo> in Gizmo it says I can add MSN and Yahoo people..... but when I do it nothing happens
Jan 08 04:37:06 <GeneralAntilles> Better off using the built-in client.
Jan 08 04:45:26 <zetheroo> I think this video conferencing feature is a bit over-rated since its such an underdeveloped thing....
Jan 08 04:45:40 <zetheroo> basically at this point its pretty useless
Jan 08 04:46:13 <zetheroo> Even Gizmo will only perform video chat with a Windows PC
Jan 08 04:46:20 <zetheroo> so its very narrowed down
Jan 08 04:46:29 <GeneralAntilles> er, and OS X
Jan 08 04:46:35 <zetheroo> great
Jan 08 04:46:38 <zetheroo> and OS X
Jan 08 04:46:48 <GeneralAntilles> Which makes up most of the computers on the planet.
Jan 08 04:46:58 <zetheroo> thing is that this being a Linux product you would expect it to work 1st of all with Linux machines
Jan 08 04:47:09 <zetheroo> but again it does not
Jan 08 04:47:15 <GeneralAntilles> Eh, give it a month
Jan 08 04:47:15 <zetheroo> and thats a blow-it
Jan 08 04:47:19 <zetheroo> you think?
Jan 08 04:47:30 <zetheroo> I suppose you could be right..
Jan 08 04:48:02 <GeneralAntilles> It just hit beta on Windows and OS X
Jan 08 04:48:06 <GeneralAntilles> So of course it's coming to Linux
Jan 08 04:48:15 <zetheroo> again.. just like with Skype, Gizmo fails to position itself in the notification area
Jan 08 04:49:16 <zetheroo> yeah... but what we really need is Skype Video .... there is no way I am going to get all my clients and contacts to change to Gizmo just like that...
Jan 08 04:53:14 <GeneralAntilles> You're doing it incorrectly.
Jan 08 04:53:23 <GeneralAntilles> You have to set up Gizmo's SIP and Jabber with the built-in client.
Jan 08 04:53:27 <GeneralAntilles> Then you'll be set.
Jan 08 04:58:34 <White_Flame> So I'm starting to try programming this thing, and there's just so much to go through.
Jan 08 04:58:58 <White_Flame> I picked a random game, Battle Gweled, and pulled it into my scratchbox, but I don't have libsdl-net in there.  How do I get it in?
Jan 08 04:59:23 <White_Flame> standard source download and ./configure && make in scratchbox?  apt won't see it
Jan 08 04:59:31 <White_Flame> though it is installed on my n800
Jan 08 05:16:12 <zetheroo> GeneralAntilles: but not set with other Linux PC's
Jan 08 05:16:50 <GeneralAntilles> I was talking about notifications.
Jan 08 05:21:55 <zetheroo> can I change the backgrond image on the screen?
Jan 08 05:22:57 <GeneralAntilles> The home screen on the boot screen?
Jan 08 05:23:00 <GeneralAntilles> *or
Jan 08 05:24:24 <zetheroo> home
Jan 08 05:24:30 <GeneralAntilles> Go to Home
Jan 08 05:24:33 <GeneralAntilles> tap the menu
Jan 08 05:24:51 <GeneralAntilles> zetheroo, you just get your device?
Jan 08 05:24:59 <zetheroo> yes
Jan 08 05:25:05 <zetheroo> today
Jan 08 05:25:09 <GeneralAntilles> Congrats
Jan 08 05:25:15 <GeneralAntilles> Have you installed FBReader or maemo mapper yet?
Jan 08 05:26:00 <zetheroo> nothing except OS2008, Gizmo, Skype and Pidgin
Jan 08 05:26:14 <GeneralAntilles> Do so, they're awesome.
Jan 08 05:26:32 <GeneralAntilles> FBReader seriously turns these things into the greatest ebook readers on the planet.
Jan 08 05:27:30 <zetheroo> are they easy to install?
Jan 08 05:27:51 <GeneralAntilles> scummvm, Battle Gweled, maemodrac, MaemoSweeper, and LXDoom are good if you're into games.
Jan 08 05:28:00 <GeneralAntilles> maemo mapper is in Extras
Jan 08 05:28:07 <zetheroo> no.. its for work mainly
Jan 08 05:28:11 <GeneralAntilles> You familiar with gronmayer.com/it ?
Jan 08 05:28:23 <zetheroo> no
Jan 08 05:28:32 <GeneralAntilles> http://gronmayer.com/it/
Jan 08 05:28:37 <GeneralAntilles> It's a listing off all the maemo repos
Jan 08 05:28:42 <GeneralAntilles> You want the ones for OS2008 of course.
Jan 08 05:28:55 <GeneralAntilles> maemo mapper depends on something that's in Bora extras, so be sure to install that.
Jan 08 05:29:04 <zetheroo> I am getting mapper
Jan 08 05:29:24 <GeneralAntilles> maemo mapper does GPS (and offline/GPS-less) with OpenStreet, Google, and/or VirtualEarth maps.
Jan 08 05:29:49 <White_Flame> how do you put standard gnu tar, et al, on the device?  With apt, it wants to uninstall busybox and then EVERYTHING else if you dare to try
Jan 08 05:29:50 <GeneralAntilles> You have an mpd server running?
Jan 08 05:31:29 <zetheroo> me?
Jan 08 05:31:47 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah
Jan 08 05:31:52 <GeneralAntilles> Check out mmpc
Jan 08 05:32:05 <GeneralAntilles> It's an mpd client you can use to control music playback on another machine with.
Jan 08 05:36:51 <tlacuache> is this room appropriate for general os2008 questions?
Jan 08 05:36:58 <GeneralAntilles> Shoot.
Jan 08 05:37:39 <tlacuache> when I input things via the on-screen keyboard, i've noticed that it "learns" certain words that I've typed in so it can suggest them to me in the future. things like domain names, usernames, etc...
Jan 08 05:37:43 <tlacuache> is there a way to clear this list?
Jan 08 05:38:28 <GeneralAntilles> Well, individually, you can highlight the word and tap-n-hold it to remove
Jan 08 05:38:38 <GeneralAntilles> I think you can clear the dictionary in Control Panel, though.
Jan 08 05:39:03 <tlacuache> actually, the tap and hold things exactly what i wanted. don't know why i didn't think of that.
Jan 08 05:39:09 <tlacuache> thanks a lot!
Jan 08 05:39:14 <GeneralAntilles> Pfft
Jan 08 05:39:22 <GeneralAntilles> I didn't find out about it until October last year
Jan 08 05:39:31 <GeneralAntilles> I've been on maemo since 2005. ;)
Jan 08 05:39:43 <tlacuache> yeah, like half of the posts at internettablettalk are yours.
Jan 08 05:39:44 <tlacuache> :)
Jan 08 05:40:01 <rm_you> lol, truth :P hey GeneralAntilles
Jan 08 05:40:07 <GeneralAntilles> Nah, texrat EASILY outposts me.
Jan 08 05:40:13 <GeneralAntilles> Among others.
Jan 08 05:40:17 <GeneralAntilles> Howdy, rm_you.
Jan 08 05:40:23 <rm_you> half the ones *I* see are yours, anyhow :P
Jan 08 05:40:36 <rm_you> or mine, but i only read like three threads :/
Jan 08 05:41:07 <GeneralAntilles> ITT is infuriating and addicting.
Jan 08 05:41:12 <rm_you> heh
Jan 08 05:41:49 <tlacuache> hey, i guess while I'm here, one more thing: is there any downside to extending the device's virtual memory to the internal memory card via the control panel? does it affect battery life or anything like that? i just got an 8gb sdhc card for the removable slot and thought i might as well use the internal one for something...
Jan 08 05:42:04 <GeneralAntilles> No, it really only helps.
Jan 08 05:42:32 <GeneralAntilles> Speeds things up just a touch in high-memory situations and helps prevent out-of-memory crashes in really high-memory situations.
Jan 08 05:42:42 <tlacuache> k, that's what I figured. thanks. i'm just getting into this maemo/os2008/n800 scene for the first time. really loving it. :)
Jan 08 05:42:44 <rm_you> erm, well... it can eat flash memory fairly quickly with the number of writes performed
Jan 08 05:42:47 <tlacuache> yeah
Jan 08 05:42:55 <tlacuache> well, a 128 meg card is cheap, eh?
Jan 08 05:42:55 <tlacuache> :)
Jan 08 05:42:58 <rm_you> yes
Jan 08 05:43:03 <GeneralAntilles> Nah, rm_you, it's not that swappy.
Jan 08 05:43:06 <rm_you> if thats what you're running internally
Jan 08 05:43:21 <rm_you> well, with the Zaurus it would kill an SD card in a month or two :P
Jan 08 05:43:23 <GeneralAntilles> I haven't worn out any cards so far.
Jan 08 05:43:34 <rm_you> so i've been afraid of doing that with my n800
Jan 08 05:43:39 <rm_you> i'm using both 4g cards
Jan 08 05:43:42 <rm_you> not as cheap :/
Jan 08 05:43:55 <GeneralAntilles> Been using swap since I bought it
Jan 08 05:43:56 <GeneralAntilles> no troubles
Jan 08 05:44:04 <rm_you> how long is that? :P
Jan 08 05:44:04 <GeneralAntilles> and on the 770 before that.
Jan 08 05:44:12 <rm_you> same card?
Jan 08 05:44:32 <GeneralAntilles> Uh, year-ish with the 770 since they added swap.
Jan 08 05:44:44 <GeneralAntilles> Since January with the same 1gb on the N800
Jan 08 05:44:48 <GeneralAntilles> Just swapped it for an 8GB
Jan 08 05:45:04 <GeneralAntilles> Like I said, though, maemo isn't very swappy
Jan 08 05:45:12 <rm_you> hrm, I may try it then
Jan 08 05:45:13 <GeneralAntilles> so it really only starts hitting the flash when it needs to.
Jan 08 05:45:49 <GeneralAntilles> and, heck, if you burn it out by this time next year, 16GB cards'll be cheaper than 4GB cards now. ;)
Jan 08 05:46:07 <rm_you> heh, true
Jan 08 05:49:02 <tlacuache> well, i'm going to run. thanks for the tips. like I said, i'm loving the n800. i dumped my P.O.S. dell axim for this and it's like my hands are finally untied. :) being a software engineer and a linux user for the last 5 years or so, this thing is a dream.
Jan 08 05:49:05 <tlacuache> thanks again!
Jan 08 05:50:28 <GeneralAntilles> Sure thing.
Jan 08 06:08:53 <Xxaxx> hello :)
Jan 08 06:09:22 <Xxaxx> I've a problem with mplayer. mplayer plaing mp4 VERY slowly (low resolution)
Jan 08 06:09:34 <Xxaxx> OS2008/N800
Jan 08 06:10:14 <rm_you> what codec is the mp4 encoded with?
Jan 08 06:10:20 <rm_you> h264/x264?
Jan 08 06:12:25 <Xxaxx> video format=mp4v
Jan 08 06:13:19 <Xxaxx> selected video codec = ffodivx
Jan 08 06:15:17 <Xxaxx> any file from break.com
Jan 08 06:19:33 <[pablo]> can someone put the /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Phoenix file from os2008 up somewhere so i can grab it?
Jan 08 06:28:28 <Xxaxx> [pablo]: www.you-ra.info/Phoenix
Jan 08 06:29:21 <[pablo]> thanks
Jan 08 06:31:10 <White_Flame> I don't have Phoenix as a home city in my OS2008.  How do I get that in there?  I wget'd that file and put it in /usr/share/zoneinfo/America
Jan 08 06:31:25 <White_Flame> seeing as Arizona has its own timezone half the year
Jan 08 06:32:47 <[pablo]> it's already there
Jan 08 06:33:02 <zetheroo> how do I get mapper working?
Jan 08 06:33:02 <[pablo]> just need to symlink it to /etc/localtime
Jan 08 06:33:08 <zetheroo> I don't have GPS
Jan 08 06:33:16 <[pablo]> i symlinked backwards, woops heh
Jan 08 06:33:51 <zetheroo> anyone
Jan 08 06:34:34 <White_Flame> [pablo]: does the GUI stuff have its own database of cities then?
Jan 08 06:34:56 <[pablo]> the nokia mapper app is almost useless *with* the gps, i can't imagine it does much without it
Jan 08 06:35:05 <[pablo]> White_Flame: it appears so yes
Jan 08 06:36:05 <[pablo]> i symlinked it to Phoenix, and am using ntp to set the time, the gui still doesn't recognize it, but ntp will keep the time accurate
Jan 08 06:36:57 <White_Flame> this is looking more and more like OSX, where the front-end and *nix backend are completely different systems
Jan 08 06:37:40 <White_Flame> the file browser not being able to access the full filesystem, etc
Jan 08 06:37:44 <[pablo]> i've only noticed an issue with the time system
Jan 08 06:39:09 <[pablo]> well the file manager is more of a 'don't mess with files you didn't put there' approach
Jan 08 06:39:35 <[pablo]> if you know enough to need to get to those files then you know how to get to them
Jan 08 06:46:16 <GeneralAntilles> zetheroo go to the menu
Jan 08 06:46:23 <GeneralAntilles> go to the maps option
Jan 08 06:46:26 <GeneralAntilles> Go to map repositories
Jan 08 06:46:28 <GeneralAntilles> hit download
Jan 08 06:47:31 <GeneralAntilles> zetheroo: I've got it mostly covered on page 1 here: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4958
Jan 08 06:47:34 <zetheroo> GeneralAntilles: but these maps will not be available to me once Iam no longer online... right?
Jan 08 06:48:33 <zetheroo> Do you have to have a Nokia GPS reciever?.... or will just about any BT GPS reciever work?
Jan 08 06:48:47 <GeneralAntilles> The Nokia ones suck
Jan 08 06:48:51 <GeneralAntilles> Get an i-blue
Jan 08 06:48:56 <GeneralAntilles> I have a 737, it works great
Jan 08 06:49:02 <GeneralAntilles> maemo mapper caches the maps
Jan 08 06:49:08 <GeneralAntilles> I cover that in the link above
Jan 08 06:49:20 <GeneralAntilles> Downloads them to a db so you can use it offline.
Jan 08 06:50:13 <zetheroo> GeneralAntilles: so once I view the map once its downloaded and I can refer to them when offlne?
Jan 08 06:50:22 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah
Jan 08 06:50:36 <GeneralAntilles> There's a downloading feature so you can cache large areas over several zoom levels.
Jan 08 06:51:17 <mbuf> can we do USB communication between qemu and host PC for Maemo?
Jan 08 06:52:17 <zetheroo> GeneralAntilles: do you have to tell it to download each map you are viewing?... or is it all automatically doing it?
Jan 08 06:53:08 <GeneralAntilles> It's automatically doing it if you are seeing them.
Jan 08 06:54:12 <zetheroo> is there a way to just download an area of maps?... like if I wanted Sydney, Australia....
Jan 08 06:54:31 <GeneralAntilles> Look at the link I gave you. :)
Jan 08 06:54:56 <GeneralAntilles> Or check out maemo mapper's built-in help.
Jan 08 06:55:00 <GeneralAntilles> It's pretty extensive.
Jan 08 07:01:04 <zetheroo> ok.... I was viewing Google Street maps and was at about 13 zoom .. then I went into Manage Maps and selected all the zooms I wanted and pressed OK... and now it seems to be frozen
Jan 08 07:01:12 <zetheroo> did I do something wrong?
Jan 08 07:01:25 <GeneralAntilles> How many megabytes are you downloading?
Jan 08 07:01:33 <zetheroo> 3.8
Jan 08 07:01:43 <zetheroo> I think....
Jan 08 07:01:47 <GeneralAntilles> Anything below zoom level 2?
Jan 08 07:02:15 <zetheroo> no
Jan 08 07:02:17 <zetheroo> 4-13
Jan 08 07:02:42 <GeneralAntilles> If it's frozen-frozen, it'll tell you
Jan 08 07:03:03 <zetheroo> ok
Jan 08 07:03:11 <zetheroo> now it says processing maps
Jan 08 07:03:59 <GeneralAntilles> That's the downloading taking place.
Jan 08 07:04:08 <zetheroo> oh ok
Jan 08 07:04:14 <zetheroo> takes a loooong time huh
Jan 08 07:04:22 <zetheroo> how long will it take?
Jan 08 07:04:50 <GeneralAntilles> Google seems to throttle the longer downloads.
Jan 08 07:05:01 <GeneralAntilles> Shouldn't be too long
Jan 08 07:05:05 <zetheroo> so did I do it the best wya?
Jan 08 07:05:07 <GeneralAntilles> your connection may influence it.
Jan 08 07:05:10 <zetheroo> way?
Jan 08 07:05:16 <rm_you> Can someone take a look at this dmesg output and tell me why they think my USB flash drive isn't working with USB Host on my n800? :P
Jan 08 07:05:17 <rm_you> http://pastebin.ca/846351
Jan 08 07:05:19 <zetheroo> my connection is pretty fast
Jan 08 07:05:24 <GeneralAntilles> About 20-30MB chunks is how I do it.
Jan 08 07:05:33 <zetheroo> can I cancel this?
Jan 08 07:05:57 <rm_you> zetheroo: not easily :/
Jan 08 07:06:03 <zetheroo> argh
Jan 08 07:06:11 <GeneralAntilles> Just close mm
Jan 08 07:06:14 <rm_you> zetheroo: i just leave mine overnight for the ~500mb downloads
Jan 08 07:06:18 <rm_you> works fine
Jan 08 07:06:19 <zetheroo> I can't even do anything else on this thing with mapper open
Jan 08 07:06:36 <zetheroo> but I am only downloading 3.8
Jan 08 07:06:47 <rm_you> 3.8 mb?
Jan 08 07:06:53 <zetheroo> I think so
Jan 08 07:07:09 <rm_you> that should take like 3-4 minutes on a BAD connection... under 30 seconds on a decent one :/
Jan 08 07:07:23 <zetheroo> maybe it was like 38mb
Jan 08 07:07:28 <zetheroo> I don't remember
Jan 08 07:07:30 <rm_you> 38 mb isn't bad
Jan 08 07:07:33 <rm_you> just leave it
Jan 08 07:07:49 <zetheroo> the progress bar has not moved a bit
Jan 08 07:07:53 <rm_you> :/
Jan 08 07:08:06 <zetheroo> how big would it be for a whole city?
Jan 08 07:08:13 <zetheroo> and zoom from 4-13
Jan 08 07:08:14 <zetheroo> ?
Jan 08 07:08:50 <rm_you> errrr
Jan 08 07:08:58 <rm_you> depends very much on the size of the city
Jan 08 07:09:04 <rm_you> lol
Jan 08 07:09:17 <zetheroo> ok
Jan 08 07:09:22 <zetheroo> I just close mapper
Jan 08 07:09:23 <tank-man> 38MiB sounds reasonable, will take a long time to dl
Jan 08 07:09:56 <rm_you> i would leave it open
Jan 08 07:09:58 <rm_you> and just let it go
Jan 08 07:10:03 <tank-man> i picked zoom 1-10 before and it was a couple gigabytes
Jan 08 07:10:14 <rm_you> lol yeah zoom 1 is not a good idea :P
Jan 08 07:10:15 <zetheroo> ohhh... it says 3892.10 MB
Jan 08 07:10:19 <rm_you> ah lol
Jan 08 07:10:28 <zetheroo> thats almost 4 GB
Jan 08 07:10:32 <rm_you> that's very different :P
Jan 08 07:10:40 <rm_you> you may want to delete your maps file >_> lol
Jan 08 07:10:54 <rm_you> though i guess you didn't let it run for too long
Jan 08 07:11:39 <zetheroo> ok
Jan 08 07:11:50 <GeneralAntilles> 6-14 is better
Jan 08 07:11:58 <GeneralAntilles> check before you start a download, though. :P
Jan 08 07:12:00 <GeneralAntilles> Maybe 7
Jan 08 07:12:58 <zetheroo> is there a way to add more memory to the device from borowing some from an SD card?
Jan 08 07:16:41 <dragorn> control panel, virtual memory
Jan 08 07:20:05 <rm_you> zetheroo: like for storing map files?
Jan 08 07:20:29 <rm_you> zetheroo: if that's what you mean, then you can actually tell MaemoMapper to store the map file on the SD
Jan 08 07:20:32 <rm_you> that's what i do
Jan 08 07:20:37 <GeneralAntilles> Change the storage location in the Map Repositories dialog to one of the mmcs
Jan 08 07:20:42 * qnr boots/has the OS on a 4Gb SDCard
Jan 08 07:21:20 <rm_you> no one is familiar with hostusb stuff i guess :/
Jan 08 07:21:28 <rm_you> i suppose i'll postpone this project to a later date
Jan 08 07:30:11 <zetheroo> rm_you: no I meant adding memory to the system
Jan 08 07:30:39 <rm_you> ah lol
Jan 08 07:30:43 <zetheroo> like so that I can run more apps at the same time
Jan 08 07:31:51 <GeneralAntilles> Control Panel -> Memory
Jan 08 07:33:42 <zetheroo> cool
Jan 08 07:34:00 <zetheroo> cause I have a 4GB SDHC card in the internal slot
Jan 08 07:34:16 <zetheroo> and another one for the external one
Jan 08 07:34:56 <zetheroo> so any BT GPS reciever will work with this unit?
Jan 08 07:37:31 <rm_you> zetheroo: i use and love my iTrek
Jan 08 07:38:31 <rm_you> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16858702003
Jan 08 07:38:49 <zetheroo> I was looking on ebay and none of them are cheap
Jan 08 07:38:53 <rm_you> gets a fix in like under 30 seconds cold. less than 10s not.
Jan 08 07:39:07 <rm_you> and good battery life
Jan 08 07:39:17 <rm_you> and chargable via standard usb :)
Jan 08 07:39:24 <White_Flame> I was looking at ebay and saw a bunch of BT GPSes for <$35
Jan 08 07:39:38 <White_Flame> of course, you get what you pay for ;)
Jan 08 07:41:00 <White_Flame> (also, I guess you're in .au... your continent may vary)
Jan 08 07:41:32 <zetheroo> yeah
Jan 08 07:42:00 <zetheroo> how many channels should one of these have?
Jan 08 07:44:57 <dragorn> 12 is good
Jan 08 07:44:59 <dragorn> more is better
Jan 08 07:45:23 <zetheroo> like there are some here for 60 bucks with 42 channels
Jan 08 07:45:46 <dragorn> hm. either we're talking different things or that's odd
Jan 08 07:45:50 <dragorn> or I'm *way* behind
Jan 08 07:45:59 <astro76> you're behind ;)
Jan 08 07:46:10 <zetheroo> http://cgi.ebay.com.au/New-42-channel-Bluetooth-GPS-RECEIVER-sat-nav-PDA-BLK_W0QQitemZ370011451432QQihZ024QQcategoryZ34288QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Jan 08 07:46:12 <astro76> modern mtk chipset does 32, and now I see there's one with 51
Jan 08 07:46:40 <astro76> of course since there's never that many sats in teh sky...
Jan 08 07:47:04 <astro76> zetheroo: that looks like a real pice of junk
Jan 08 07:47:11 <zetheroo> yeah?
Jan 08 07:47:24 <astro76> http://www.semsons.com/bluetgpsrec.html
Jan 08 07:47:24 <GeneralAntilles> Get one of the i-blues
Jan 08 07:47:32 <astro76> most of these are excellent
Jan 08 07:47:34 <astro76> yeah i-blue or holux
Jan 08 07:47:43 <zetheroo> but how much are they?
Jan 08 07:47:51 <astro76> MTK has much better battery life than sirf iii chipset
Jan 08 07:47:57 <GeneralAntilles> $50-ish USD
Jan 08 07:48:45 <zetheroo> this sounds like a good idea to me
Jan 08 07:48:46 <zetheroo> http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Silicone-Skin-Case-Cover-for-Nokia-N800-N-800-Black_W0QQitemZ150203248675QQihZ005QQcategoryZ59913QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Jan 08 07:48:58 <GeneralAntilles> Nah, bad idea.
Jan 08 07:49:05 <GeneralAntilles> Destroys card access and kickstand
Jan 08 07:49:12 <zetheroo> oh right
Jan 08 07:49:17 <GeneralAntilles> and the kickstand is the device's single greatest feature.
Jan 08 07:49:24 <zetheroo> I want something to protect the body and screen
Jan 08 07:51:44 <GeneralAntilles> The bundled case is decent for protecting it while it's in your pocket.
Jan 08 07:51:52 <zetheroo> yeah
Jan 08 07:52:46 <zetheroo> can you install WINE on these things?
Jan 08 07:53:03 <GeneralAntilles> Haha
Jan 08 07:53:09 <GeneralAntilles> It's an ARM CPU. <_<
Jan 08 07:53:41 <zetheroo> ok..... something too hectic for my tiny brain
Jan 08 07:54:39 <GeneralAntilles> WINE doesn't do processor emulation
Jan 08 07:54:43 <dragorn> Wine doesn't emulate CPUs.  The tablet isn't intel.  No wine.
Jan 08 07:54:59 <dragorn> you could do dosbox.  i guess.  it'd be stupid.
Jan 08 07:55:24 <melmoth> GRmblblbl, discount code are still not working here (france).
Jan 08 07:58:23 <zetheroo> hmm
Jan 08 07:59:32 <Luria> wait
Jan 08 07:59:49 <Luria> wine is not an emulator?
Jan 08 08:00:17 <Luria> they should write that somewhere
Jan 08 08:00:40 <dragorn> ugh.  so, kismet works on 8x0, *but* i have to kill wlancond and restart it to make it do so.  That's so horrible.
Jan 08 08:02:31 <jkyro> dosbox is available in extras I think
Jan 08 08:04:49 <zetheroo> what does dosbox do?
Jan 08 08:04:53 <zetheroo> is it like WINE?
Jan 08 08:04:55 <dragorn> emulates dos
Jan 08 08:04:57 <dragorn> no
Jan 08 08:05:27 <Luria> if it were like wine, it would be called dine.
Jan 08 08:05:49 * Luria is a bit loopy atm
Jan 08 08:06:25 <zetheroo> haha
Jan 08 08:08:10 <zetheroo> there is an app in the installable apps list called camera... whats it for?
Jan 08 08:09:18 <Dasajev> taking pictures
Jan 08 08:15:10 <White_Flame> although even when you run the camera program and pop out the webcam, it still opens up the video chat thing
Jan 08 08:15:44 <GeneralAntilles> There's an option.
Jan 08 08:16:22 <White_Flame> whoa, camera just crashed out on me, back to the Nokia startup bar
Jan 08 08:16:55 <zetheroo> hey for some reason when I eject the webcam nothign happens
Jan 08 08:18:04 <zetheroo> before something would open with the image playing
Jan 08 08:19:24 <unique311_> Tak, pong neogeo
Jan 08 08:20:06 <unique311> Tak: pong neogeo
Jan 08 08:48:11 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Jan 08 08:50:40 <unique311> hello
Jan 08 08:51:49 <pupnik> sup peeps
Jan 08 08:54:05 <unique311> hellos
Jan 08 08:55:55 <Epeloon> Hi
Jan 08 08:56:09 <unique311> hellos
Jan 08 08:56:40 <Epeloon> is there a Latex compiler/editor application for n800? Thanks.
Jan 08 08:57:28 <unique311> you tried the usual google.
Jan 08 08:57:55 <Epeloon> :), yes but i found only a post abour latex on 770
Jan 08 08:58:05 <Epeloon> but not sure which program it uses
Jan 08 09:06:07 <pupnik> unique311: are you identified with nickserv?
Jan 08 09:08:06 <unique311> i got ur message
Jan 08 09:08:11 <unique311> messaged you back
Jan 08 09:08:15 <unique311> let me identify
Jan 08 09:09:40 <AD-N770> bon dia / good morning
Jan 08 09:18:01 <zetheroo> my webcam is not working anymore
Jan 08 09:18:07 <zetheroo> I just got this thing today
Jan 08 09:18:16 <zetheroo> and already something like this....
Jan 08 09:18:24 <zetheroo> when I pop it out nothing happens
Jan 08 09:19:10 <Cptnodegard> its useless anyhow
Jan 08 09:19:20 <Cptnodegard> download the camera application and see if it works
Jan 08 09:19:54 <zetheroo> how can this be happening....?
Jan 08 09:23:33 <guardian> morning
Jan 08 09:23:51 <zetheroo> I installed camera and it works but not automatically
Jan 08 09:24:04 <zetheroo> and then camera just closes sudenly
Jan 08 09:25:26 <zetheroo> gosh now everything just froze
Jan 08 09:28:21 <zetheroo> what app is it that loads automatically when the camera is ejected?
Jan 08 09:29:21 <trickie> the system video call app
Jan 08 09:29:29 <trickie> unless you have configured it not too
Jan 08 09:29:56 <zetheroo> well... I don't remember telling it not to work
Jan 08 09:30:00 <trickie> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2551
Jan 08 09:30:02 <zetheroo> is there a way to check?
Jan 08 09:30:43 <trickie> i do not have a n8xx here, but i assume if you load the video call software and cehck the preferences
Jan 08 09:30:48 <trickie> check
Jan 08 09:30:53 <trickie> there should be an option
Jan 08 09:31:07 <zetheroo> video call software?
Jan 08 09:32:32 <zetheroo> I don't know of any such software
Jan 08 09:34:22 <zetheroo> does anyone know how to enable the camera trigger?
Jan 08 09:36:06 <zetheroo> its ok
Jan 08 09:36:09 <zetheroo> I got it
Jan 08 09:38:05 <lardman> morning all
Jan 08 09:52:59 <jonek> morning ... discount codes till not valid in german Nokia store :-(
Jan 08 09:58:32 <ccooke> jonek: that'll be irritating :-/
Jan 08 09:59:00 <nomis> yeah, that sucks.
Jan 08 09:59:19 <X-Fade> jonek: I have a german one lying on my desk that I can't use and has to be exchanged. I think that is bad too ;)
Jan 08 10:00:26 <jonek> X-Fade: what do you mean by 'has to be exchanged"? is it a faulty code or some slow sicount-code-activation-propagation?
Jan 08 10:00:55 <X-Fade> jonek: They shipped the german version, while i'm NL based..
Jan 08 10:01:38 <jonek> anybody from Germany here who has a working discount code?
Jan 08 10:01:59 <pupnik> jonek, i sent nokia.de feedback but no response yet
Jan 08 10:02:12 <X-Fade> jonek: No, you will hear about it for sure when it happens..
Jan 08 10:02:18 <pupnik> jonek, if you find their phone number paste it please
Jan 08 10:02:27 <nomis> X-Fade: oh - does this manifest itself in the hardware?
Jan 08 10:02:50 <X-Fade> nomis: qwertz keyboard instead of qwerty.. Big difference..
Jan 08 10:02:56 <nomis> oh right.
Jan 08 10:03:10 <jonek> non working discount code and a mail telling "valid from today onwards" suX0rs
Jan 08 10:04:01 <pupnik> 	MediaNokia GmbH 	Heltorfer Str. 1 	40472 Düsseldorf 	
Jan 08 10:04:01 <pupnik> 0211 94 12-0
Jan 08 10:04:04 <pupnik> sorry
Jan 08 10:04:14 <pupnik> that's supposed to be Nokia Gmbh
Jan 08 10:05:08 <pupnik> let me know if you call them jonek.  I'll call them later today
Jan 08 10:06:19 <islandsvinur> X-Fade: they actually sent the right one, but Nokia for some very strange reason put NL with DE, AT and CH in one region
Jan 08 10:06:37 <X-Fade> islandsvinur: Yep, error made in finland..
Jan 08 10:07:18 <jonek> islandsvinur: the N800 for my last discount code came from NL, but I'm living in DE
Jan 08 10:07:23 <unique311> lol
Jan 08 10:07:31 <unique311> pupnik it works
Jan 08 10:07:40 <unique311> dialng germany
Jan 08 10:07:42 <unique311> free
Jan 08 10:07:47 <unique311> answering machine
Jan 08 10:07:49 <unique311> lol
Jan 08 10:08:51 <unique311> wondering if i should post a video for this.
Jan 08 10:09:17 <islandsvinur> X-Fade: but they aren't exchanging are they?
Jan 08 10:10:25 <islandsvinur> jonek: also nice :)
Jan 08 10:11:23 <jonek> pupnik: I called and was given the following mail address: dusseldorf.reception@nokia.com
Jan 08 10:12:08 <pupnik> answering machine or person jonek?
Jan 08 10:12:24 <jonek> pupnik: person
Jan 08 10:13:03 <pupnik> Cord: give them a call too
Jan 08 10:14:45 <lardman> hmm, express delivery doesn't appear to be all that express in the UK: If you place your order on Monday by 1.30pm, you should receive your order Tuesday/Wednesday during working hours.
Jan 08 10:15:32 <X-Fade> islandsvinur: They'll get back to me on this. The shop was talking to Nokia Finland..
Jan 08 10:16:33 <X-Fade> islandsvinur: But I have found another item number for the NL version on webshops. 02704N1 instead of the 02701Z7 I have received.
Jan 08 10:18:58 <jonek> pupnik: I wrote a mail...
Jan 08 10:22:34 <islandsvinur> X-Fade: Hmm, I will send them an e-mail too, then
Jan 08 10:23:40 <zetheroo> is there a way to check how long the battery has to go until fully charged?
Jan 08 10:23:45 <X-Fade> islandsvinur: Call the 0800 number and ask for a Dutch speaking person.
Jan 08 10:24:39 <X-Fade> islandsvinur: They promissed to call me back before the end of the day ;)
Jan 08 10:32:24 <timeless> White_Flame: you can do: ln -s / ~/MyDocs/rt
Jan 08 10:32:41 <timeless> did anyone make a .deb for phoenix?
Jan 08 10:33:23 <islandsvinur> X-Fade: Heh, the guy on the phone was confused and thought I was you or something ;)
Jan 08 10:34:12 <timeless> GeneralAntilles: technically win32-arm exists
Jan 08 10:34:27 <timeless> so while people laugh at wine on non x86, they're laughing for the wrong reasons
Jan 08 10:34:36 <timeless> of course, the people asking about wine are also confused, but...
Jan 08 10:35:24 <unique311> so who wants to know how to make the free international calls on the n800
Jan 08 10:35:38 <unique311> after a couple of days of searching, i finally found a way.
Jan 08 10:35:46 <unique311> and it works
Jan 08 10:36:18 <trickie> the suspense is killing me
Jan 08 10:36:40 <unique311> might work for international users if Freedigits will allow international users to register for a number
Jan 08 10:36:52 <timeless> unique311: skype doesn't work?
Jan 08 10:37:01 <timeless> last i checked skype lets you call toll free numbers
Jan 08 10:37:03 <unique311> it does but you have to pay
Jan 08 10:37:07 <timeless> ?
Jan 08 10:37:13 <timeless> +1800 is definitely free w/ skype
Jan 08 10:37:22 <unique311> this is every number
Jan 08 10:37:34 <unique311> where are you from timeless?
Jan 08 10:37:48 <timeless> http://www.skype.com/intl/en/prices/callrates/#listing-U
Jan 08 10:37:54 <timeless> .us
Jan 08 10:38:10 <timeless> Destination B7 Rate/minuteEUR excl. VATEUR incl. VAT
Jan 08 10:38:17 <timeless> USA-Toll Free . 0.000 . 0.000
Jan 08 10:38:18 <unique311> you calling someone in europe for free timeless
Jan 08 10:38:24 <unique311> but not just toll free
Jan 08 10:38:52 <timeless> oh, i misread
Jan 08 10:39:06 <timeless> sorry, most of the time the question i see is about dialing 800 like numbers
Jan 08 10:39:20 <timeless> note: where i'm from doesn't relate to where i am
Jan 08 10:39:58 <unique311> nah, i just setup the defualt client with my freedigits number, and made a couple of calls to some german numbers, and got thru
Jan 08 10:40:22 <unique311> spoke to 1 lady, that was confused on why i was asking her if she spoke english
Jan 08 10:40:51 <unique311> timeless, vacation?
Jan 08 10:41:08 <timeless> work?
Jan 08 10:41:12 <unique311> k
Jan 08 10:41:49 <unique311> you at work right now?
Jan 08 10:41:55 * timeless nods
Jan 08 10:42:33 * timeless sighs
Jan 08 10:42:42 * timeless just got a 3 page email that is kinda essential reading
Jan 08 10:43:01 <unique311> happy readings then.
Jan 08 10:43:06 * mgedmin empathises
Jan 08 10:43:33 <unique311> i'll just make another bootleg video showcasing the free international calls trick.
Jan 08 10:43:55 <unique311> i got good response my last vid.   bunch of freaking Grandcentral request.
Jan 08 10:44:30 <X-Fade> islandsvinur: Hehe, fun times for them as all NL packages need replacing.
Jan 08 10:46:38 <islandsvinur> X-Fade: Probably :)
Jan 08 10:47:01 <X-Fade> islandsvinur: Did you use your N810?
Jan 08 10:47:21 <islandsvinur> X-Fade: yes
Jan 08 10:47:37 <X-Fade> islandsvinur: Even more fun for them then ;)
Jan 08 10:48:48 <islandsvinur> X-Fade: You left it in the box?
Jan 08 10:49:20 <Andy80> hi
Jan 08 10:49:23 <islandsvinur> X-Fade: I couldn't ;)
Jan 08 10:49:25 <X-Fade> islandsvinur: I hoped for a quick resolution, but if it is going to take a while...
Jan 08 10:49:33 <guardian> duh
Jan 08 10:49:43 <guardian> i disable receiving emails from the dev list
Jan 08 10:49:53 <guardian> disabled
Jan 08 10:50:01 <guardian> until subscription codes work everywhere :)
Jan 08 10:50:15 <islandsvinur> guardian: lol
Jan 08 10:51:22 <timeless> guardian: i should have done that weeks ago
Jan 08 10:51:23 <lardman> where does one categorise a garage project?
Jan 08 10:51:29 <timeless> "trove"
Jan 08 10:52:00 <lardman> ah, right in front of me, thanks
Jan 08 10:52:15 <timeless> https://garage.maemo.org/project/admin/group_trove.php?group_id=107
Jan 08 10:52:21 <timeless> fill in 107 as ...
Jan 08 10:52:38 <guardian> timeless: yeah it's really annoying :)
Jan 08 10:54:05 <timeless> could someone load https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2551 and tell the reporter how to change whether internet call is launched when the camera is opened?
Jan 08 11:00:50 <hendry> how do i get sb2 to chroot into ~/.maemo-sdk/rootstraps/armel/chinook40_armel
Jan 08 11:01:09 <hendry> it seems when I run sb2, I'm in my own host fs
Jan 08 11:03:08 <LoCusF> has anyone got a pdftk installed on their n8x0?
Jan 08 11:04:02 <mgedmin> I thought sb2 didn't use chroots anymore?
Jan 08 11:04:06 <timeless> sb2 doesn't chroot
Jan 08 11:04:47 <mgedmin> my bluetooth gps works without pairing (and apparently doesn't support pairing?), how am I supposed to use it with os2008?
Jan 08 11:04:59 <mgedmin> maemo mapper is fine, but the built-in maps app isn't
Jan 08 11:05:16 <mgedmin> I suppose I could just stick with mm and ignore that free-trial commercial crap
Jan 08 11:06:40 <hendry> timeless: hmmm, when i do a `sb2 apt-get update`, it looks for binary-i386 packages. why might that be?
Jan 08 11:07:17 <timeless> depends on how you ran everything
Jan 08 11:07:26 <timeless> personally i use -c when i play w/ apt-get
Jan 08 11:07:29 <timeless> but i'm special
Jan 08 11:09:12 <nomis> mgedmin: well, even the commercial crap AFAIK uses the free software gps infrastructure. I guess that at some point maemo-mapper will do this as well. No idea how to use this without pairing though.
Jan 08 11:09:15 <hendry> timeless: to set the arch for apt?
Jan 08 11:09:47 <timeless> yeah
Jan 08 11:09:56 <timeless> but i'm doing something very different
Jan 08 11:10:30 <mgedmin> nomis: true
Jan 08 11:10:36 <hendry> timeless: could you give me a clue how to set binary-arml for apt?
Jan 08 11:11:02 <timeless> APT::Architecture "armel";
Jan 08 11:12:16 <mgedmin> hm, probably there
Jan 08 11:12:22 <mgedmin> hm, probably there's some default pin in the manual
Jan 08 11:12:29 <hendry> timeless: thanks btw
Jan 08 11:14:22 <timeless> hendry: if you need to do that, you're doing something wrong :)
Jan 08 11:14:35 <timeless> are you using sb2 or sb2 -e ?
Jan 08 11:14:42 <mgedmin> ok, I'm stupid
Jan 08 11:14:50 <mgedmin> there's a default pin, and google knows it
Jan 08 11:14:59 <nomis> mgedmin: heh  :)
Jan 08 11:15:00 <timeless> it's not 0000?
Jan 08 11:16:22 <hendry> timeless: just sb2
Jan 08 11:16:37 <timeless> you probably want -e, and you probably want to read about sb2
Jan 08 11:16:46 <timeless> but don't take my word for it, i never got that far w/ sb2
Jan 08 11:17:28 <hendry> timeless: i put your conf in `rootstraps/armel/chinook40_armel/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20arm`
Jan 08 11:17:53 <timeless> hendry: i have a single fully specified apt-conf file
Jan 08 11:17:53 <hendry> timeless: btw, do you know anyone around here with java porting experience?
Jan 08 11:18:01 <timeless> well, in fact, i have 3 or more such files
Jan 08 11:18:10 <hendry> timeless: apt.conf.d is cool
Jan 08 11:18:12 <timeless> define porting
Jan 08 11:18:17 <timeless> porting java to a platform
Jan 08 11:18:24 <timeless> or porting a java app to a different java platform
Jan 08 11:18:40 <hendry> timeless: building java (cdc) for arml (chinook)
Jan 08 11:19:11 <timeless> i know they exist, i don't know their names
Jan 08 11:19:23 <mgedmin> timeless: no
Jan 08 11:19:27 <mgedmin> it's not 0000
Jan 08 11:19:32 <mgedmin> I tried 0000 before
Jan 08 11:19:34 <timeless> mgedmin: wow, that sucks
Jan 08 11:19:45 <mgedmin> yeah
Jan 08 11:20:16 <X-Fade> mgedmin: Try 12345
Jan 08 11:20:22 * mgedmin wonders why his paranoid sysadmin instincts won't let him type the actual pin, given that google knows it already anyway
Jan 08 11:20:56 <Luria> thats almost the combination for my suitcase!
Jan 08 11:21:06 <timeless> x-fade: he already said google knew the answer
Jan 08 11:21:26 <jkyro> timeless,  sun's PhoneME works in OS2007
Jan 08 11:21:30 <mgedmin> actually, I've never seen a 5-digit bluetooth pin on any device
Jan 08 11:35:33 <timeless> jkyro: i wans't asking
Jan 08 11:35:57 <timeless> fwiw, in case people are interesting, my mxr.maemo.org (ask infobot about the deb) will have an os2008 cross reference
Jan 08 11:36:02 <timeless> s/ing/ed/
Jan 08 11:36:04 <infobot> timeless meant: fwiw, in case people are interested, my mxr.maemo.org (ask infobot about the deb) will have an os2008 cross reference
Jan 08 11:36:45 * timeless frowns
Jan 08 11:37:13 <mgedmin> infobot, what about the deb?
Jan 08 11:37:14 * infobot about the deb to understand recursion, you must first understand recursion
Jan 08 11:37:30 * timeless eyes infobot wildly
Jan 08 11:38:02 <hendry> timeless: what am i doing wrong here? http://pastebin.com/m3dc30650
Jan 08 11:39:23 <lardman> do you think infobot caught something from _Monkey...?
Jan 08 11:39:38 <timeless> infobot mxr-maemo-org-dns deb?
Jan 08 11:39:42 <timeless> infobot mxr-maemo-org deb?
Jan 08 11:39:46 * timeless frowns
Jan 08 11:39:50 * timeless has memory loss
Jan 08 11:40:42 <timeless> bot's are important, they protect against memory loss
Jan 08 11:40:55 <timeless> unfortunately if you forget the keys, the data is effectively lost anyway
Jan 08 11:41:09 <dpb_> :)
Jan 08 11:41:14 <timeless> infobot mxr.maemo.org deb
Jan 08 11:41:15 <infobot> from memory, mxr.maemo.org deb is unofficial, all warrantees void, http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/mxr-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb
Jan 08 11:41:18 <timeless> there we go
Jan 08 11:41:33 * Jaffa ywans. Morning, all.
Jan 08 11:41:38 <Jaffa> (Did I say that already?)
Jan 08 11:41:44 <Jaffa> Ah, yes.
Jan 08 11:41:52 <dpb_> Afternoon :P
Jan 08 11:41:53 <timeless> you yawned earlier?
Jan 08 11:42:09 * timeless frowns
Jan 08 11:42:11 * timeless hates proxies
Jan 08 11:42:14 <lardman> memory loss, you should have asked the bot
Jan 08 11:42:38 <dpb_> Indeed, proxies suck..
Jan 08 11:42:48 <timeless> http://mxr.maemo.org/os2008-50/
Jan 08 11:42:50 <timeless> is the url
Jan 08 11:43:41 <Jaffa> timeless: I didn't yawn, but I did say mornin' :)
Jan 08 11:44:07 * Jaffa 's developer device should arrive today, Mrs Jaffa can have her N810 back (I say, "back, but she's never had it ;-))
Jan 08 11:45:36 * timeless chuckles
Jan 08 11:46:04 <lardman> Jaffa: you in the uk?
Jan 08 11:46:19 <unique311> that didn't last long, i think they caught on to me.  my calls are not going thru anymore..
Jan 08 11:46:55 <unique311> local still works, no international.
Jan 08 11:47:50 <unique311> i'll try again later and see if it works again.
Jan 08 12:11:13 <blahdeblah> For the 2nd time today, activating my bluetooth keyboard has locked up all input on my N800 except for the buttons.  The bluetooth keystrokes don't register, and the text recogniser won't appear again.  :-(
Jan 08 12:11:16 <blahdeblah> Is this a known bug?
Jan 08 12:14:29 <lardman> do any garage projects have discussion lists, or only commit lists + forums
Jan 08 12:14:30 <lardman> ?
Jan 08 12:14:39 <hullfandan> I have a 'newbie' question regarding packages if anyone has a moment and a kind heart to help a windoze user struggling with linux. I have developed a test application under scratchbox using the vmware maemo sdk image.  This works fine under emulation (if a little slow). I now need to test the application on hardware.  I gave up on the remote target over x-term etc. So I think I need to make a deb package for the ARMEL ta
Jan 08 12:14:51 <timeless>  if you tap on the bt icon in the status bar area and choose disconnect, what happens?
Jan 08 12:15:19 <lardman> hullfandan: why don't you ssh into the device?
Jan 08 12:15:31 <blahdeblah> timeless: Tried that the first time with no success.  Needed a reboot.
Jan 08 12:15:33 <florian> good morning
Jan 08 12:15:41 <lardman> hi florian
Jan 08 12:15:50 <blahdeblah> florian: evening
Jan 08 12:16:04 <florian> :-)
Jan 08 12:16:12 <hullfandan> I tried, but couldn't get it to work. even following the instructions. As I figured I am going to have to build a package at some point I though I might as well just do that
Jan 08 12:16:21 * blahdeblah yawns - almost bed time!  ;-)
Jan 08 12:16:34 <hullfandan> I got as far as setting up a superuser and then got lost/confused
Jan 08 12:17:04 <lardman> hullfandan: Although building a package is necessary in the end, it's useful to be able to see output (presumably)?
Jan 08 12:17:31 <lardman> hullfandan: I hate package building, you'll need to ask someone else about that, but if you need help to get ssh working that's easy
Jan 08 12:17:41 <hullfandan> lardman : yes. I just want to check what I have coded so far works on hardware before going any further
Jan 08 12:18:21 <lardman> hullfandan: red pill mode, install openssh on the device, make sure you have ssh on the PC and do: ssh root@someipaddress
Jan 08 12:18:23 <hullfandan> lardman : ok thanks I will go over ssh again now and see where I went wrong.
Jan 08 12:18:41 <lardman> hullfandan: you shouldn't need to setup any accounts, etc.
Jan 08 12:19:02 <timeless> lardman: capture-root would be needed unless you have r&d mode...
Jan 08 12:19:06 * timeless hates r&d mode
Jan 08 12:19:09 <hullfandan> lardman: ok thanks, so someipaddress should be the IP of the maemo?
Jan 08 12:19:24 <lardman> timeless: ssh from pc to the device...?
Jan 08 12:19:24 <Blafasel> Short survey: Any hints where to get a N810 as cheap as possible? Nokia.de is quite pricey. I do have friends in the US etc., so is there a better option?
Jan 08 12:19:25 <timeless> hullfandan =~ s/maemo/device/
Jan 08 12:19:29 <hullfandan> i installed become root as well
Jan 08 12:19:36 <lardman> hullfandan: yes, of the n8x0
Jan 08 12:20:10 <hullfandan> lardman : I'm actually using a 770 but I have upgraded to 0S2007
Jan 08 12:20:13 <timeless> b;afasel: the us will be your best price point until european companies give up on X=X parity
Jan 08 12:20:37 <hullfandan> lardman : so I am developing for bora, please tell be that is correct for 770 running OS2007
Jan 08 12:20:52 <lardman> hullfandan: I think so
Jan 08 12:22:16 <hullfandan> lardman : thanks, that's good enough for me atm.  My main problem is that although I try to use linux more (I dual boot ubuntu now) I am still lost when I get into the terminal window.
Jan 08 12:22:30 <lardman> hullfandan: you could ssh from windows
Jan 08 12:22:49 <lardman> hullfandan: or do you mean once you're on the 770?
Jan 08 12:23:00 <hullfandan> lardman: booth :)
Jan 08 12:23:07 <Blafasel> timeless: Just checked it.. Crazy
Jan 08 12:23:09 <lardman> hullfandan: what does you app do?
Jan 08 12:23:16 <lardman> s/you/your
Jan 08 12:23:22 <Blafasel> timeless: 450 EUR here, 480$ over there.
Jan 08 12:23:23 <timeless> blafasel: currency speculation, is um... interesting
Jan 08 12:23:32 <timeless> blafasel: eww, it's not X=X?
Jan 08 12:23:35 * timeless frowns
Jan 08 12:23:36 <timeless> that's bad
Jan 08 12:23:38 <Blafasel> Na, 460 Euro vs 480 $ even
Jan 08 12:23:49 <timeless> it used to be 1:1
Jan 08 12:23:56 <Blafasel> Well, that's still only 325 EUR in New York
Jan 08 12:24:09 <Blafasel> Insane!
Jan 08 12:24:14 <hullfandan> lardman : not much at the moment, just checking out what I can do on the hardware. I make games so I'm looking at that atm. I've just got some basic stuff running using SDL.
Jan 08 12:24:16 <timeless> yeah... but it means they're considering shifting away from 1:1
Jan 08 12:24:33 <timeless> which is pretty much a disaster
Jan 08 12:24:57 <lardman> hullfandan: I was wondering wherher your app would need to be installed (if it has data files, etc.) or if it is self-contained
Jan 08 12:25:28 <hullfandan> lardman : it has about 3 bitmap graphics  at the moment but nothing else
Jan 08 12:26:19 <onion> thank you nokians, my N810 arrived today
Jan 08 12:26:34 <hullfandan> lardman: I've not used ssh before. Is it a comms protocol that I can use to copy files to the 770 to run them from there?
Jan 08 12:27:06 <lardman> hullfandan: ssh is secure shell, like telnet but secure. sftp is what you want to move files (which also comes with the openssh package)
Jan 08 12:27:32 <halley> I've always found scp to be much more convenient thatn sftp, but whatever.
Jan 08 12:27:32 * mgedmin prefers scp to sftp
Jan 08 12:27:46 <hullfandan> lardman: ok thanks, that makes sense
Jan 08 12:27:58 <wumpus> unless you don't know the exact name of the remote file, then scp is useless :)
Jan 08 12:28:01 <lardman> mgedmin: I'm shocked. Why?
Jan 08 12:28:10 <lardman> mgedmin: I find it really painful to use
Jan 08 12:28:13 <hullfandan> mgedmin: I'm happy to use whichever is the easiest to use for a windows user ;)
Jan 08 12:28:26 * blahdeblah prefers rsync to everything ;-)
Jan 08 12:28:28 <onion> has anyone noticed that the map software uses oggs for direction playback
Jan 08 12:28:30 <mgedmin> easier on the command-line?  scp filena<tab-completion> server:directo<tab-completion><enter>
Jan 08 12:28:46 <wumpus> tab completion doesn't work on the server side mgedmin
Jan 08 12:28:57 <mgedmin> hullfandan: google for a nice windows gui sftp client then
Jan 08 12:29:05 <wumpus> winscp is nice
Jan 08 12:29:07 <mgedmin> wumpus: source /etc/bash_completion
Jan 08 12:29:10 <blahdeblah> wumpus: It does if the server dir structure happens to match the client ;-)
Jan 08 12:29:19 <mgedmin> blahdeblah: no need for that
Jan 08 12:29:27 <mgedmin> all you need is passwordless ssh logins (with ssh-agent and a public key)
Jan 08 12:29:30 <wumpus> mgedmin: it cannot know what is on the server before logging into it right?
Jan 08 12:29:42 <mgedmin> wumpus: bash_completion logs in and runs ssh on the server
Jan 08 12:30:01 <blahdeblah> mgedmin: That is way cool - i never realised that came out of the box.
Jan 08 12:30:04 <wumpus> so it tries to do another login every time you press tab.. ok, I still prefer the sftp way
Jan 08 12:30:27 <mgedmin> it doesn't work too well when directory names contain spaces, though
Jan 08 12:30:33 * blahdeblah runs away to experiment with bash_completion
Jan 08 12:30:40 <mgedmin> so maybe scp is more convenient for a few special use cases that I happen to use mostly
Jan 08 12:30:47 <mgedmin> and sftp may be more convenient in general
Jan 08 12:30:55 <wumpus> agreed, scp is useful for some cases, especially in scripts
Jan 08 12:31:08 <mgedmin> there's also sshfs
Jan 08 12:31:11 * blahdeblah basks in the power of bash_completion - bwaahaaahaaaaaaaa
Jan 08 12:31:12 <wumpus> it's also nice that it allows to limit the bandwidth, I don't know if sftp does
Jan 08 12:31:13 <mgedmin> for the ultimate convenience
Jan 08 12:31:14 <lardman> hullfandan: the best one for Windows is one from www.ssh.com (imo), but they appear to have removed the free version
Jan 08 12:31:36 <wumpus> winscp is the best imo, it's from the same people as putty
Jan 08 12:31:53 <glass> filezilla has support too
Jan 08 12:31:55 <glass> nowadays
Jan 08 12:32:08 <hullfandan> lardman: I don't want a windows one thanks. I am doing everything under emulated debian environment. It just makes more sense for me to use one that is more familiar to a windows user I guess
Jan 08 12:32:10 <lardman> I think putty may be the way forward as Windows doesn't come with an ssh client either
Jan 08 12:32:14 <glass> i prefer it over winscp and ssh.coms
Jan 08 12:32:32 <lardman> hullfandan: ah no, just use the command line in that case
Jan 08 12:32:34 <glass> from the putty guys theres pscp.exe for windows commandline too
Jan 08 12:32:36 <Blafasel> Okay, just asked a New Yorker to bring me the N810 on monday. Wish me luck ;)
Jan 08 12:32:51 <hullfandan> best if I stick to linux as I am doing all development in linux
Jan 08 12:33:31 <Blafasel> There's no difference between the US and the EU version (apart from the keyboard), right?
Jan 08 12:33:42 <lardman> hullfandan: with sftp use "cd" to change dir on the server side and "lcd" to change dir on the client side and and then "put" and "get" to move files
Jan 08 12:33:56 <lardman> hullfandan: or perhaps scp does have its advantages....
Jan 08 12:34:06 <hullfandan> lardman: I've got to get is to connect first ;)
Jan 08 12:34:26 <lardman> hullfandan: like ssh, sftp root@someipaddress
Jan 08 12:35:58 <halley> Anyone who puts spaces in directory names deserves the hell they receive.
Jan 08 12:36:06 <inz> mkdir "foo bar"
Jan 08 12:36:30 * timeless likes winscp
Jan 08 12:36:44 <halley> inz, yes, but quoting spaces on a remote shell is trickier.
Jan 08 12:36:44 * timeless has used ssh.com's but not recently
Jan 08 12:37:04 <hullfandan> lardman: you say I should know what it means. :)  Hang on I am in windows at the moment. i need to switch to linux so I can try this as I go along.
Jan 08 12:37:06 <timeless> blafasel: just the price
Jan 08 12:37:11 <timeless> and whose taxes you're paying
Jan 08 12:37:26 <hullfandan> lardman: btw does this work over wifi or should I connect the 770 via usb?
Jan 08 12:37:26 <Blafasel> halley: mkdir foo\ bar
Jan 08 12:37:26 <timeless> oh, no, technically that's wrong
Jan 08 12:37:32 <timeless> the us version has us maps by default
Jan 08 12:37:39 <lardman> hullfandan: either is fine
Jan 08 12:37:43 <Blafasel> timeless: Can those be changed?
Jan 08 12:38:01 <hullfandan> lardman: ok, thanks. Brb, off to linux land
Jan 08 12:38:05 <lardman> hullfandan: just be careful as sometimes the wifi connection can go to sleep, then you need to wake it up by opening a web page, etc., on the 770
Jan 08 12:38:40 <hullfandan> lardman: ok I use usb cable then. can you recommend a good linux irc client
Jan 08 12:39:08 <|tbb|> hi all, who can help me to manage a ssh -X session from desktop pc to n810 , so i can run maemo applications on linux box. Anytime i had ask here somebody says Have you set the Display variable, but i cant figure out how to do it correct.
Jan 08 12:39:16 <lardman> hullfandan: I use ksirc I think (I'm running WinXP atm)
Jan 08 12:39:37 <hullfandan> larman: ok thanks :)
Jan 08 12:39:42 <hullfandan> lardman: brb
Jan 08 12:39:43 <lardman> hullfandan: do you have a graphical debian install?
Jan 08 12:39:54 <lardman> hullfandan: ksirc is for KDE
Jan 08 12:40:08 <hullfandan> lardman: yes the maemo vmware one that I'm using to dev under and an ubuntu one
Jan 08 12:40:16 <hullfandan> lardman: ok thnks
Jan 08 12:41:12 <lardman> Still no N810 delivery :(
Jan 08 12:41:14 * timeless got kicked out of a study
Jan 08 12:41:17 <timeless> i'm not average
Jan 08 12:41:29 <timeless> i don't think phones are fashion accessories, and i don't eat fast food :(
Jan 08 12:41:56 * lardman was confused, was thinking of walls of books and reading lamps
Jan 08 12:44:06 <|tbb|> timeless geeks arent mainstream ppl
Jan 08 12:44:27 <darx> hi i've installed the cli version of rdesktop and its trying to access /dev/dsp which doesn't exist. where is the sound device and do I have to compile rdesktop myself to fix this?
Jan 08 12:45:15 <pupnik> if anybody gets USB wifi cards running please mention my name or /msg me
Jan 08 12:45:47 <darx> pupnik: have you tried?
Jan 08 12:45:51 <pupnik> darx: unfortunately the osso compatibility for /dev/dsp isn't builtin
Jan 08 12:46:00 <pupnik> oss i mean
Jan 08 12:46:20 <pupnik> i'd really like to see /dev/dsp support in OS2009 or whatever
Jan 08 12:46:22 <darx> hmm
Jan 08 12:46:55 <pupnik> i've tried getting the /dev/dsp stuff running independently but i didn't figure it out
Jan 08 12:47:17 <darx> ok
Jan 08 12:47:46 <pupnik> it's part of alsa
Jan 08 12:47:48 <pupnik> If you want to preserve OSS/Free or OSS/Linux compatibility, you need to insert one more driver: the snd-pcm1-oss driver for OSS-compatibility. Issue a
Jan 08 12:47:52 <pupnik> modprobe snd-pcm1-oss
Jan 08 12:47:54 <pupnik> This will give you /dev/audio and /dev/dsp-support, just as the OSS/Free (kernel) drivers and OSS/Linux (the $25 ones) do. Note that this is only an emulation.
Jan 08 12:49:19 <maemo> lardman: back, ksirc seems nice too, thanks for the tip ;)
Jan 08 12:49:45 <darx> pupnik: i'm new to maemo and nokia. is it possible to recompile the kernel?
Jan 08 12:50:06 <lardman> maemo: np
Jan 08 12:50:19 <inz> darx, sure it is
Jan 08 12:50:45 <darx> inz: any guides anywhere?
Jan 08 12:50:49 <maemo> lardman: oops, wrong name, hullfandan here obviously. I'll change that :)
Jan 08 12:51:18 <lardman> :)
Jan 08 12:51:24 <lardman> darx: maemo wiki
Jan 08 12:51:52 <lardman> hmm, or there used to be, I can't see it now
Jan 08 12:52:16 <trickie> http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/kernel_guide_for_maemo.html
Jan 08 12:52:20 <pupnik> on the /dev/dsp thing d.schmicker writes "I compiled esound-clients from debian tar (without patch)
Jan 08 12:52:34 <lardman> trickie: thanks
Jan 08 12:52:46 <trickie> darx: make sure you also use the latest sources in the os2008 repo
Jan 08 12:52:47 <pupnik> copied esddsp, libesd.so.0 and libesddsp.so.0 to the places and started ./esddsp ./gtick and everything works fine. "
Jan 08 12:53:01 <trickie> well thats the sources for the kernel in the latest image
Jan 08 12:53:12 <trickie> lardman: np
Jan 08 12:53:15 <darx> trickie: thanks :-P
Jan 08 12:53:16 <pupnik> http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/27362
Jan 08 12:53:39 <trickie> darx: your welcome
Jan 08 12:56:07 <pupnik> so afaict /dev/dsp is a *nix FIFO, which alsa presents through an emulation layer
Jan 08 12:57:27 <maemo> lardman: sorry to be a total noob and off topic but how the hell do you change your nick in ksirc?
Jan 08 12:58:03 <Blafasel> With /nick NewNick
Jan 08 12:58:12 <Blafasel> Like in every client on the planet ;)
Jan 08 12:58:19 <timeless> maemo: http://irchelp.org
Jan 08 12:58:33 <hullfandan> sorry, don't really use irc
Jan 08 12:58:44 <hullfandan> thanks
Jan 08 12:59:21 <darx> a wasted bash.org oppertunity :-)
Jan 08 13:00:29 <timeless> oh no
Jan 08 13:00:39 * timeless just realized that this box has <75g free
Jan 08 13:00:50 <timeless> it'll last maybe 2 months
Jan 08 13:01:57 <|tbb|> so nobody has experience force maemo apps from n810 to x server of desktop pc in here, right now?
Jan 08 13:02:04 <darx> pupnik: thanks. :)
Jan 08 13:03:19 <Jaffa> lardman: belatedly, yes - in the UK
Jan 08 13:03:45 <pupnik> |tbb| you could look at how scratchbox apps run on the host server
Jan 08 13:03:56 <pupnik> should be the same shebang on the device
Jan 08 13:04:00 <hullfandan> How do I find the IP address of this 770 so I can connect to it with ssh/sftp? <againi please remeber I new to all this terminal voodoo ;) >
Jan 08 13:04:09 <lardman> Jaffa: np, I was looking at the delivery times on the Nokia site & they reckon 1 to 2 days
Jan 08 13:04:14 <inz> timeless, 75 grams?
Jan 08 13:04:20 <kulve> hullfandan: from connection manager
Jan 08 13:04:51 <kulve> conn.mgr. menu -> tools -> ip, or something
Jan 08 13:05:36 <|tbb|> pupnik you mean that xepyhr thing? Does it mean i have to run a Xephyr Server?
Jan 08 13:05:39 <Blafasel> |tbb|: Setting $DISPLAY?
Jan 08 13:06:07 <Blafasel> |tbb|: And reading man xhost probably. This is both thinking in basic linux terms, I don't own a NXXX yet
Jan 08 13:06:07 <pupnik> |tbb|: nah xephyr is just an x-server running as a userspace app on top of your linux X server
Jan 08 13:06:25 <inz> |tbb|, maemo-launcher does not support envoronment, so you need to use maemo-summoner
Jan 08 13:06:58 <pupnik> Google: Your search - maemo-summoner - did not match any documents.
Jan 08 13:07:03 <kulve> inz: did you just compile the osso-xterm from the trunk? It's segfaulting every now and then and I could try to debug the reason..
Jan 08 13:07:44 <inz> kulve, yeah, it should be the trunk
Jan 08 13:08:10 <kulve> ok. I'll try to find time at some point to launch it with gdb
Jan 08 13:09:03 <inz> pupnik, did you think it would be mentioned in the maemo.org website?
Jan 08 13:09:11 <|tbb|> inz does it mean ssh -X root@n810 and then just start any application like maemo-summoner /usr/bin/browser.launch will do the trick?
Jan 08 13:09:38 <inz> |tbb|, I would guess so (if the ssh server has X11Forwarding enabled)
Jan 08 13:10:03 <hullfandan> damn, lost connection
Jan 08 13:10:08 <hullfandan> How do I find the IP address of this 770 so I can connect to it with ssh/sftp? <againi please remeber I new to all this terminal voodoo ;) >
Jan 08 13:10:10 <|tbb|> ive changed the config to that allready without effect, have to try this later
Jan 08 13:10:18 <hullfandan> sorry if you already answered that
Jan 08 13:10:18 <pupnik> it needed quotes inz - sorry for the silliness...
Jan 08 13:10:33 <pupnik> http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Amaemo.org+%22maemo-summoner%22
Jan 08 13:10:43 <lardman> hullfandan: is this a usb connection
Jan 08 13:10:53 <|tbb|> or anyone able right now to check this, havent n810 in my network at work right now
Jan 08 13:10:55 <hullfandan> lardman: yes atm
Jan 08 13:10:58 <timeless> sp3000: so, it's about time to look into buying a new drive for swift
Jan 08 13:11:14 <lardman> hullfandan: can you get root on the 770?
Jan 08 13:11:39 <hullfandan> lardman: I tihnk so as I int actaully used it yetstalled become root but I haven'
Jan 08 13:12:17 <hullfandan> lardman: I have xterminal open on the 770 now, and I have a terminal open in debian on this PC
Jan 08 13:12:22 <lardman> kulve: do you know if your connection manger suggestion works for usb connections? Don't they bypass libconic, etc.?
Jan 08 13:12:42 <alterego> Wow, that was some odd English use :D
Jan 08 13:13:03 <lardman> hullfandan: on the pc, can you run "ifconfig"? You may need to be root there too
Jan 08 13:13:07 <lardman> alterego: was it?
Jan 08 13:13:12 <hullfandan> yeah sorry. I am english but linix has melted my brain :)
Jan 08 13:13:20 <alterego> Heh
Jan 08 13:13:21 <hullfandan> linux, argh I can't even type anymore
Jan 08 13:13:50 <alterego> Maybe you installed loonix by accident :)
Jan 08 13:14:00 <hullfandan> lol, maybe :)
Jan 08 13:14:33 <hullfandan> lardman: yes that ran and gave me some info on what looks like local network settings
Jan 08 13:15:04 <alterego> That's a good point really. Shouldn't libConIc support USB net ..
Jan 08 13:15:11 <lardman> hullfandan: it should have given you some info about the usb0 connection?
Jan 08 13:15:44 <lardman> hullfandan: it probably mentions an ip address along the lines of 192.168.1.X
Jan 08 13:15:48 <hullfandan> lardman: no, just ethel and lo
Jan 08 13:15:52 <lardman> hmm
Jan 08 13:16:06 <lardman> you will need to bring it up then, or just use wifi
Jan 08 13:16:07 <hullfandan> lardman: ethl and lo sorry
Jan 08 13:16:11 <alterego> hullfandan, try `ifconfig usb0`
Jan 08 13:16:58 <hullfandan> laterego: usb0: error fetching interface information: Device not found
Jan 08 13:17:04 <hullfandan> same with usb1
Jan 08 13:17:12 <hullfandan> I will try over wifi
Jan 08 13:17:22 <alterego> Okay, so have you modprobed usbnet?
Jan 08 13:17:26 <lardman> you probably need to insert a module
Jan 08 13:17:31 <lardman> and likewise on the 770
Jan 08 13:17:37 <lardman> I'd go for wifi, much easier
Jan 08 13:17:57 <hullfandan> ok, is there a tutorial anywhere I can follow so I can stop bothering you nice people?
Jan 08 13:18:26 <alterego> hullfandan, there's a tutorial for the palm. Which uses pretty much the same software.
Jan 08 13:18:32 <fugitivo> anyone with a 770 touchscreen with loss of sensibility?
Jan 08 13:18:41 <alterego> I.E. ifconfig, insmod, g_ether_usb
Jan 08 13:18:46 <alterego> Or whatever it's called.
Jan 08 13:18:49 <fugitivo> i have several places on my touchscreen that doesn't work as it should
Jan 08 13:18:54 <lardman> you talking about usb stuff: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/howto_usb_networking_bora.html
Jan 08 13:19:20 <alterego> Even better, a main tutorial.
Jan 08 13:19:25 <alterego> ~maemo ..
Jan 08 13:20:13 <hullfandan> lardman: Thanks, I'll try that tutorial
Jan 08 13:20:32 * Jaffa responds to Eero's good points on https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2564#c3
Jan 08 13:20:41 <lardman> If you go the wifi route, follow kulve's suggestion and look in connection manager at the connection information and get the ip address from that, then on the pc do "ssh root@ipaddress"
Jan 08 13:21:09 <hullfandan> lardman: Incase you are gone when I get back or incase I give up and smash this 770 into lots of tiny pieces, thanks for your help.  Thanks alterego too.
Jan 08 13:21:37 <alterego> :)
Jan 08 13:21:38 <lardman> np
Jan 08 13:21:52 * alterego has just eaten the last of the christmas turkey.
Jan 08 13:22:09 <lardman> Speaking of gone, there's only so much working from home I can do, where's my N810!
Jan 08 13:22:30 <alterego> lardman, is that "do" or "handle" ? :)
Jan 08 13:22:41 <hullfandan> I missed kulve's suggestion. I should try that. connection manager on 770 or PC?
Jan 08 13:22:43 <lardman> alterego: 2 weeks after it was cooked... hmm
Jan 08 13:22:47 <X-Fade> lardman: Keeping busy at home so you can stay on the lookout for the UPS van? :)
Jan 08 13:22:53 <lardman> hullfandan: on the 770
Jan 08 13:22:58 <alterego> Yeah, was in a nice curry :)
Jan 08 13:23:10 <hullfandan> lardman: thanks again
Jan 08 13:23:13 <alterego> X-Fade, you in the UK?
Jan 08 13:23:13 <lardman> X-Fade: exactly, but I have to go into work because there are things to be done there too
Jan 08 13:23:45 * alterego doesn't appear to be able to do order tracking.
Jan 08 13:23:48 <X-Fade> lardman: 5 minutes after you will leave, they will show up.. ;)
Jan 08 13:23:53 <alterego> I got a "shipped" email from Nokia but that's it.
Jan 08 13:23:58 <lardman> alterego: nor can I
Jan 08 13:24:05 <X-Fade> alterego: Nope, NL. And I had a UPS tracking number.
Jan 08 13:24:19 <lardman> X-Fade: tell me about it, perhaps if I drive round the block I'll catch them :)
Jan 08 13:24:23 <alterego> lardman, did you use the cheapo delivery option like me? :)
Jan 08 13:24:49 <lardman> alterego: no the highly expensive £9.99 super fast method :)
Jan 08 13:24:55 <alterego> Hah
Jan 08 13:24:57 <alterego> Damn you!
Jan 08 13:25:03 <alterego> When did you place the order?
Jan 08 13:25:08 <lardman> Friday
Jan 08 13:25:11 <X-Fade> lardman: So it would only take 4 days ;)
Jan 08 13:25:20 <alterego> Interesting.
Jan 08 13:25:39 <alterego> I placed mine on Saturday. Got the "shipped" email yesterday evening.
Jan 08 13:25:44 <lardman> perhaps even 5, the delivery info says if order is placed by 1.30pm on Mon, it may arrive on Tue/Wed at any time during the day
Jan 08 13:25:45 <alterego> Well, afternoon.
Jan 08 13:26:40 <alterego> I only have one Mini SD card to use with it.
Jan 08 13:26:48 <alterego> And that's the 128M one that came with the N800 ^_^
Jan 08 13:27:09 <lardman> I just found a 1Gb one in a camera
Jan 08 13:27:16 <alterego> Cool.
Jan 08 13:27:38 <alterego> I think I'll end up carrying both my tablets around. The N800 will just become my media player.
Jan 08 13:28:22 <lardman> My N800 will continue to be a dsp test bed, until some family member asks to borrow it :)
Jan 08 13:28:49 <alterego> My dad wants to steal my N810 ..
Jan 08 13:28:57 <alterego> When it arrives.
Jan 08 13:29:19 <alterego> His reasoning is: "But, I could really do with a transflective display and you never go outside". :D
Jan 08 13:30:10 <lardman> :)
Jan 08 13:30:14 <skibur> :)
Jan 08 13:30:22 <alterego> :D
Jan 08 13:30:29 <lardman> ;D
Jan 08 13:30:34 <alterego> O_O
Jan 08 13:30:42 <alterego> ^_^
Jan 08 13:30:45 <lardman> skibur: I wasn't smiling at you in particular, don't worry :)
Jan 08 13:30:47 <X-Fade> alterego: Sometimes the sun shines inside your room too, you know ;)
Jan 08 13:30:57 <alterego> X-Fade, not with my blinds.
Jan 08 13:31:05 <X-Fade> heh
Jan 08 13:32:17 <timeless> hrm
Jan 08 13:32:18 <skibur> :)
Jan 08 13:32:28 <skibur> lol
Jan 08 13:32:31 <timeless> x-fade: so, who would have a use for being able to browse the os2008 sources?
Jan 08 13:33:02 <timeless> sp3000: os2008 says you sent me a message @01:55:30 PM
Jan 08 13:33:06 <timeless> is that true? :)
Jan 08 13:33:06 <alterego> Are you pimping your MXR again?
Jan 08 13:33:12 <timeless> yes :)
Jan 08 13:33:30 <alterego> Any updates? I've got nothing to do right now I'd be interested to see it :)
Jan 08 13:33:34 <X-Fade> timeless: Hehe, mxr is always very handy..
Jan 08 13:37:03 <sp3000> timeless: o_O
Jan 08 13:37:44 <hullfandan> hallaluja!
Jan 08 13:38:23 <lardman> sounds promising
Jan 08 13:38:32 <hullfandan> or to put it another way I am connected to my 770 over wifi.  It didn't work initially as a previous tutorial told me to lock root, but I unlocked it and that works
Jan 08 13:39:19 <hullfandan> lardman: what now ;)
Jan 08 13:40:08 <lardman> hullfandan: find your binary on the PC, open a term in that window
Jan 08 13:40:18 <sp3000> I guess that depeds on which 13:55 that is
Jan 08 13:41:24 <hullfandan> lardman: I have to do that through scratchbox as that's where the files are. Should I move them out somewhere else first or should that be ok?
Jan 08 13:41:27 <lardman> hullfandan: do "ftp root@ipaddress", once it's opened 'cd' to a directory on the 770 where you want to put the file (/home/user perhaps) then do "put binary-name" to upload it to the 770
Jan 08 13:41:51 <colinl> hi! is there any API (DBUS signal i suppose) to know whether an hardware keyboard is available on the tablet ?
Jan 08 13:41:52 <hullfandan> lardman: ok thanks I'll do that
Jan 08 13:41:55 <lardman> hullfandan: you can run sftp from within scratchbox
Jan 08 13:42:20 <lardman> hullfandan: or just cd to the actual directory - /scratchbox/users/*/home/ etc
Jan 08 13:46:02 <timeless> infobot mxr.maemo.org deb
Jan 08 13:46:03 <infobot> somebody said mxr.maemo.org deb was unofficial, all warrantees void, http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/mxr-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb
Jan 08 13:46:11 <timeless> alterego: load http://mxr.maemo.org/os2008/
Jan 08 13:46:20 <lardman> The last time I waited in all day for something it turned out it had been left with a neighbour at 9 in the morning and no note had been left in my letterbox as my buzzer wasn't working; I might have to go and test it...
Jan 08 13:48:09 <atlas96> hello
Jan 08 13:48:11 <lardman> aaaarrgghghhghgh, would you believe it
Jan 08 13:48:14 <atlas96> what is http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/mxr-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb ?
Jan 08 13:48:46 <timeless> atlas: it adds a dns entry for mxr.maemo.org (that you can uninstall using application manager)
Jan 08 13:49:05 <timeless> once you've loaded it, visit mxr.maemo.org in your web browser
Jan 08 13:49:28 <timeless> colin: that should be in HAL, not DBUS, no?
Jan 08 13:50:17 <atlas96> hmm ok, i don't understand what is the goal :p
Jan 08 13:50:40 <timeless> atlas96: transparency, it's a prototype
Jan 08 13:50:46 <killfill> is there any mono VM for maemo jet?
Jan 08 13:51:08 <timeless> killfill: google maemo mono is too hard?
Jan 08 13:51:20 <atlas96> ha ok :)
Jan 08 13:51:31 <killfill> just didnt find anything that works on os2008..
Jan 08 13:51:36 <timeless> atlas: install it, try it out, unisntall it?
Jan 08 13:51:36 <atlas96> I have another quesiton, i searhing for a gnokii deb working
Jan 08 13:51:43 <atlas96> I(m doing it
Jan 08 13:52:34 <timeless> killfill: presumably the people who made the 2007 ver will make a 2008 ver
Jan 08 13:52:49 <atlas96> it is installed timeless
Jan 08 13:52:54 <atlas96> then?:p
Jan 08 13:53:12 <timeless> load http://mxr.maemo.org/
Jan 08 13:54:13 <atlas96> then?
Jan 08 13:54:32 <timeless> atlas96: it's a service, browse through a root
Jan 08 13:54:35 <timeless> e.g., os2008
Jan 08 13:54:48 <timeless> that's the source code for the open source components of os2008
Jan 08 13:55:00 <timeless> the other roots are other things, hopefully described sufficiently
Jan 08 13:55:22 <killfill> timeless: really?.. :P
Jan 08 13:55:24 <atlas96> the webpage isn't the same of my laptop on the n810 now
Jan 08 13:55:36 <atlas96> i french sorry i take time to understand
Jan 08 13:55:37 <atlas96> :p
Jan 08 13:55:55 <timeless> atlas96: you'd need to install the deb onto your laptop to get the same result
Jan 08 13:56:05 * timeless frowns
Jan 08 13:56:07 <timeless> something's wrong
Jan 08 13:56:47 <lardman> hmm, somehow I missed the delivery
Jan 08 13:57:15 <atlas96> okkkkkk ;)
Jan 08 13:57:23 <atlas96> it is better so with your deb
Jan 08 13:58:33 <atlas96> another thing: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=709&stc=1&d=1199219113
Jan 08 13:58:46 <atlas96> what is the widget at the right bottom corner please
Jan 08 13:58:58 <sp3000> timeless: I think your gstatus is stale :)
Jan 08 13:59:28 <timeless> sp3000: what's my status?
Jan 08 13:59:36 <sp3000> w/ perf guys
Jan 08 13:59:37 <timeless> oh lol
Jan 08 13:59:50 <timeless> it's only what, a month stale?
Jan 08 14:00:30 <sp3000> about half
Jan 08 14:00:31 <hullfandan> sorry yet another noob question. How do I disconnect my ssh session to my 770.  I googled at that said ~. but that doesn't seem to work. I guess i need to disconnect before i ftp
Jan 08 14:00:45 <atlas96> and also, it is possible to have the core temp of my n810?
Jan 08 14:03:07 <timeless> ^D (ctrl-d) would close a shell
Jan 08 14:03:14 <timeless> kinda depends on what you mean
Jan 08 14:03:15 <hullfandan> thanks
Jan 08 14:03:21 <timeless> atlas96: /proc is your friend
Jan 08 14:03:25 <lardman> hullfandan: exit should work in the ssh session
Jan 08 14:03:38 <hullfandan> oops, just closed that terminal
Jan 08 14:03:40 <lardman> hullfandan: quit for sftp
Jan 08 14:03:45 <hullfandan> never mind :) thanks
Jan 08 14:03:49 <hullfandan> thanks
Jan 08 14:04:22 <hullfandan> ls and cd aint working with sftp for some reason even though it has connected
Jan 08 14:05:52 <lardman> ls and cd work on the far side of the connection, lls and lcd on the near side
Jan 08 14:07:19 <hullfandan> lardman: thanks, that works
Jan 08 14:07:22 <skibur> Anybody know what Internet Device will have a fighting chance with the N810?
Jan 08 14:07:55 <doc|home> fighting chance?
Jan 08 14:08:33 <pupnik> intel is trying to compete with new low power x86 platforms in 2008/2009
Jan 08 14:08:49 <pupnik> but intel is spawn of hell, so i don't promote that shite
Jan 08 14:09:26 <doc|home> I'm liking the openmoko neo1973/FreeRunner
Jan 08 14:10:28 <pupnik> yeah it's cool stuff for a phone.  very open.
Jan 08 14:10:32 <pupnik> great screen...
Jan 08 14:11:18 <hullfandan> lardman: ok how do I run the file I have copied over. It's obviously not on the menu. Do I run it through x terminal on the 770?
Jan 08 14:11:39 <lardman> hullfandan: go to your ssh terminal
Jan 08 14:12:07 <lardman> hullfandan: and cd to the directory where you put the binary, then run it by prepending ./ to the name
Jan 08 14:12:28 <skibur> yeah openmoko is nice
Jan 08 14:13:07 <timeless> sp3000: so, any comments about mxr.maemo.org?
Jan 08 14:14:50 <|tbb|> is there a home-applet for running commands like the applet for the upper bar  status-monitor(forgot the name) or so?
Jan 08 14:14:53 <hullfandan> lardman: with a space after ./ or not
Jan 08 14:15:08 <hullfandan> lardman ./appname or ./ appname
Jan 08 14:15:31 <hullfandan> lardamn and do i have to do that via ssh. can I not just use x terminal on the 770 one I have copied it over?
Jan 08 14:17:25 <sp3000> timeless: looks ok to me
Jan 08 14:17:36 * timeless had bad description for os2008 :(
Jan 08 14:18:20 <lardman> hullfandan: you can use the term on the 770 if you so desire
Jan 08 14:19:51 <lardman> hullfandan: whichever you do, you need the ./ and no space: ./appname
Jan 08 14:20:14 <hullfandan> lardman: thanks for all you help. that didn't work but I know why. Human error.
Jan 08 14:20:15 <sp3000> in other news, alarmd's readme has a problem with "It's".
Jan 08 14:20:26 <lardman> hullfandan: presuming you've not placed it in the path, you need to give a full path to the binary, and if you're in the same dir as the binary ./ is the path
Jan 08 14:20:31 * timeless chuckles
Jan 08 14:21:01 <timeless> yep
Jan 08 14:21:05 <timeless> file a bug ;-)
Jan 08 14:21:08 <simfosho> anyone got any experience with fuse on n800
Jan 08 14:21:25 <hullfandan> lardman: the ./ works. The app crached though as I need to rebuild it for ARMEL target. I forgot that step and just copied the x86 version i have been testing in sctratchbox :/pp
Jan 08 14:21:33 <timeless> sp3000: actually, mxr does a very good job on that directory
Jan 08 14:21:58 <lardman> hullfandan: :) well hopefully now you're setup to go
Jan 08 14:22:05 * timeless sighs
Jan 08 14:22:21 <lardman> hullfandan: running over ssh is easier imo as you can copy & paste, type, etc. far more easily + see more on the screen
Jan 08 14:22:34 <hullfandan> lardman: Yes, thanks to you. I will report backwhen I have a killer game running on the 770 :D
Jan 08 14:22:53 <lardman> hullfandan: :) good good
Jan 08 14:24:38 <timeless> sp3000: load rpc-systemui.c
Jan 08 14:24:51 <timeless> where's alarm_dialog-dbus-names.h?
Jan 08 14:25:23 <thefool> is there a package for good ol locate for the ITs?
Jan 08 14:25:56 <sp3000> hiding?
Jan 08 14:26:02 * timeless nods
Jan 08 14:26:05 <timeless> sure, but where?
Jan 08 14:26:08 <ustunozgur> hi, sometimes microb doesn't recognize taps (clicks) and selects the link rather than going to that link. or sometimes the virtual  input appears, however the characters are not shown on the input boxes. Is it a common problem?
Jan 08 14:26:31 <timeless> ustunozgur: somewhat
Jan 08 14:26:44 <timeless> do you have better luck clicking on the bottom of link text instead of the top?
Jan 08 14:27:03 <timeless> as for the input thing, that sounds less familiar
Jan 08 14:27:18 <hendry> how does one get developer discount codes for the N810?
Jan 08 14:27:29 <timeless> hendry: they've already been allocated
Jan 08 14:27:31 <sp3000> travel back in time to apply
Jan 08 14:27:40 <timeless> hrm, yeah, 1. get a good time machine
Jan 08 14:28:20 <hendry> timeless: oh right. when is the next round and how do I sign up for it?
Jan 08 14:28:32 <timeless> do you have a good supply of tea leaves?
Jan 08 14:28:45 <timeless> if you do, you can practice predicting the answers to those and many other questions
Jan 08 14:28:51 <ustunozgur> timeless: the input bug is strange. I usually encounter that with google input boxes. The strange thing is this: I usually select some text to overwrite it. However, in that case, it doesn;t override it. When I click backspace, than it starts writing.
Jan 08 14:29:23 <timeless> is a google input box google.com, or reader.google.com/mail.google.com/docs.google.com/maps.google.com?
Jan 08 14:29:34 <timeless> ime, google is different from the others
Jan 08 14:29:41 <lardman> If the tea leaves work it might be worth winning the lottery and then just paying full price for the next one, you might even get it earlier that way ;) :D
Jan 08 14:29:58 * timeless nods
Jan 08 14:30:00 <ustunozgur> timeless: google.
Jan 08 14:30:07 <timeless> you could even figure out which store will have them in stock
Jan 08 14:30:08 <sp3000> it's certainly possible to focus a link but not navigate through it by making a drag gesture that starts on the link
Jan 08 14:30:09 <timeless> and visit that one
Jan 08 14:31:00 <sp3000> and taps being seen as drag gestures isn't entirely impossible
Jan 08 14:31:31 <lardman> bbiab
Jan 08 14:31:42 <ustunozgur> can you reproduce the google.com bug?
Jan 08 14:31:46 <Juhaz> hendry, unless something drastically changes, the next round is when n900 or whatever it will be comes out.
Jan 08 14:31:57 * sp3000 once got his contact applet, several cm away, to jump several cm by tapping a down arrow button on the feed applet ;)
Jan 08 14:31:59 * timeless loads google.com
Jan 08 14:32:08 <ustunozgur> search for stg. then try to refine the search input.
Jan 08 14:32:16 <timeless> juhaz: predicting model numbers is even harder than predicting schedules
Jan 08 14:32:24 <timeless> don't assume 900
Jan 08 14:32:35 <Juhaz> I don't, note the whatever. they don't matter anyway
Jan 08 14:33:03 <timeless> ustunozgur: ok, so i'm @google.com, "now what"
Jan 08 14:33:06 <timeless> i'm not signed in
Jan 08 14:33:15 <ustunozgur> ok. search for something.
Jan 08 14:33:18 <timeless> (note: google.com, en-us)
Jan 08 14:33:25 <jarlen_> anyone got any experience with fuse on N800?
Jan 08 14:33:31 <timeless> what input method am i using? FKB, VKB, HKB, BT?
Jan 08 14:33:33 <ustunozgur> then. in the results page, highlight the search term.
Jan 08 14:33:43 <ustunozgur> the virtual keyboard will pop up.
Jan 08 14:33:53 <ustunozgur> then write stg. it is not recognized.
Jan 08 14:34:01 <sKaBoy> jarlen_, yes, it works fine :)
Jan 08 14:34:15 <ustunozgur> if it is the case, click on backspace, then write stg. Now it will be recognized.
Jan 08 14:34:27 <timeless> note: i don't have word completion in vkb
Jan 08 14:34:43 <timeless> how do i "highlight" the search term?
Jan 08 14:34:51 <timeless> tap, double-tap, tap+drag?
Jan 08 14:35:09 <simfosho> skaboy, are u the guy who made fuseport
Jan 08 14:35:15 <sp3000> timeless: drag left seems to reproduce it
Jan 08 14:35:17 <ustunozgur> timeless: start from the right. then drag alittle.
Jan 08 14:35:23 <sp3000> double tap not
Jan 08 14:35:40 <ustunozgur> sp3000: right!
Jan 08 14:35:43 <sp3000> usually the vkb would not come up in this case
Jan 08 14:35:56 * timeless isn't getting a vkb
Jan 08 14:35:56 <sp3000> afair
Jan 08 14:36:08 <timeless> ok, so you're triggering a selection+drag
Jan 08 14:36:30 * timeless frowns
Jan 08 14:36:37 * timeless can't get the vkb to come up broken
Jan 08 14:36:50 <sKaBoy> simfosho, yes but it works only on os2007, for os2008 there are packages here: http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/download/repo/dists/alpha-1/target/chinook/ BUT DON'T INSTALL THEM! they'll render your n800 unbootable.. haven't looked at it, but you can just extract the module and libraries from your desktop. Sorry but i don't really have time right now to do a easy package like fuseport for os2007
Jan 08 14:36:52 <timeless> either the vkb doesn't come up (average case), or it comes up and works (rare case)
Jan 08 14:37:10 * sp3000 is at a hl=fi
Jan 08 14:37:25 * timeless is afraid of hl=fi
Jan 08 14:37:52 <ustunozgur> timeless: dragging from the right to the left of the start doesn't help?
Jan 08 14:37:53 <timeless> /ctcp sp3000 GPS
Jan 08 14:38:09 <sp3000> I can't get drag selection happening on the initial load
Jan 08 14:38:39 <timeless> first drag select at hl=fi gave me a perfect selection, a vkb, and it worked
Jan 08 14:38:54 <sp3000> but if I tap in the field (vkb appears) tap outside (vkb disappears) drag-select from right to left outside field (vkb appears) type (no input in field)
Jan 08 14:39:03 <hendry> oh no, i forgot my root password. is there a default one?
Jan 08 14:39:14 <|tbb|> is it possible to trigger the connection manager to connect to irc or gmail from commandline?
Jan 08 14:39:22 <timeless> hendry: yes, but it doesn't matter
Jan 08 14:39:27 <timeless> you can't use it in general
Jan 08 14:39:30 <timeless> infobot capture-root
Jan 08 14:39:31 <infobot> rumour has it, capture-root is http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/capture-root-0.1.deb
Jan 08 14:39:55 <timeless> hendry: install sshd, install capture-root (follow instructions)
Jan 08 14:40:36 <ustunozgur> sp3000: so, as you suggested, double tap works. In that case, would this be a bug? Maybe it is intended so.  It is usually much easier for me to drag it from the right to select however.
Jan 08 14:41:14 <timeless> ustunozgur: figuring out what the ui spec says, what it means, and whether it makes sense are all very complicated problems
Jan 08 14:41:33 <sp3000> selection drags that end outside the text field are odd
Jan 08 14:41:45 <timeless> oh, is this drag ending outside?
Jan 08 14:41:49 <timeless> my drags ended inside
Jan 08 14:42:04 <ustunozgur> btw. the  drag from right works on yahoo.
Jan 08 14:42:34 <timeless> try disabling js and then using yahoo
Jan 08 14:43:04 <sp3000> timeless: I don't really consider leftward drags in left-aligned fields selecting everything ending inside the field humanly possible
Jan 08 14:43:36 <timeless> you just don't have nails :)
Jan 08 14:43:48 <sp3000> /I/ can do it fine ;)
Jan 08 14:43:54 <hendry> timeless: i've installed sshd before, i've must have changed the password and i've forgotten what i've changed it to
Jan 08 14:44:09 <timeless> hendry: if ssh+sshd are installed, capture-root is sufficient
Jan 08 14:44:16 <ustunozgur> sp3000: btw i am a lefty, can it be the case that i assume dragging towards left more natural? or is it that the text ends there?
Jan 08 14:44:17 <sp3000> (well, with a stylus)
Jan 08 14:44:29 * timeless wonders what a stylus is
Jan 08 14:44:47 <timeless> ustunozgur: i'm a lefty too
Jan 08 14:45:01 * timeless doesn't know of anyone who drags to the right
Jan 08 14:45:07 * timeless should go survey some people
Jan 08 14:45:11 <sp3000> ustunozgur: I'm sure everyone drags from right in this case because the drag start target is huge in that case and just one half character in the other case
Jan 08 14:45:46 <ustunozgur> sp3000: ok then, the verdict should be that it is a bug.
Jan 08 14:47:02 <pupnik> hah i'm being redirected to someone at nokia.de
Jan 08 14:47:24 <ustunozgur> another issue: I use opera on the desktop and use search shortcuts like "g stg" or "w stg" for searches on google, wikipedia etc.
Jan 08 14:47:50 <hendry> timeless: unable to install capture-root (running chinook btw)
Jan 08 14:47:57 <ustunozgur> is there a way to implement the same using microb? i am currently using opendns shorttcuts
Jan 08 14:48:15 <ustunozgur> however they dont work in every network I join.
Jan 08 14:48:16 <timeless> hendry: application menu> tools>view log
Jan 08 14:48:27 <timeless> sp3000: ok, someone managed to reproduce it for me here
Jan 08 14:48:29 <hendry> timeless: user/.ssh must exist
Jan 08 14:48:44 <timeless>  hendry: you're using scratchbox?
Jan 08 14:49:08 <hendry> timeless: no, the N800 device itself
Jan 08 14:49:13 <timeless> oh
Jan 08 14:49:21 <timeless> right, um, read the package description :)
Jan 08 14:49:31 <timeless> you need to follow the steps in the description before you install :)
Jan 08 14:49:49 * timeless is amazed that people don't read descriptions
Jan 08 14:49:57 * timeless should start putting offers of tshirts into descriptions
Jan 08 14:50:05 <sikor_sxe> anyone got a link handy for creating an svn repo at garage.maemo?
Jan 08 14:51:43 <timeless> sikor: it doesn't happen automatically?
Jan 08 14:52:39 <sikor_sxe> well
Jan 08 14:52:46 <sikor_sxe> i can't even seem to login to the shell
Jan 08 14:52:48 <sikor_sxe> :/
Jan 08 14:53:01 <sikor_sxe> is it key-only?
Jan 08 14:53:38 <sikor_sxe> i can administer my project, but i cannot login
Jan 08 14:53:45 <sikor_sxe> and i created it like a week ago
Jan 08 14:53:46 <timeless> did you enable svn?
Jan 08 14:53:52 <timeless> which project?
Jan 08 14:53:55 <sikor_sxe> i wouldn't know where
Jan 08 14:53:57 <sikor_sxe> xarchiver
Jan 08 14:54:29 <timeless> well, https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/?root=xarchive seems to indicate it exists
Jan 08 14:54:35 <sikor_sxe> well i guess it's created then
Jan 08 14:54:40 <sikor_sxe> then i just have to import it
Jan 08 14:54:58 <timeless> i've always logged into garage using password (not key)
Jan 08 15:00:27 <hendry> thanks for your help btw timeless
Jan 08 15:07:15 * timeless frowns
Jan 08 15:07:21 <timeless> bergie: do you know anything about garage?
Jan 08 15:07:56 <timeless> garage claims to host 469 projects, but my automated scripts can only find 384 svn's
Jan 08 15:08:12 <timeless> 383 actually, first line of the script is #/bin/sh :)
Jan 08 15:08:35 <Knirch> timeless: #!/bin/sh
Jan 08 15:08:44 <sikor_sxe> i got my svn up
Jan 08 15:08:48 <timeless> knirch: whatever, i ran sh -x anyway :)
Jan 08 15:08:54 <timeless> which is why i miscounted
Jan 08 15:08:58 <sikor_sxe> still can't log into the shell, but whatever
Jan 08 15:09:08 <timeless> sikor: i don't think there's supposed to be a shell
Jan 08 15:09:25 <timeless> sikor: if you have a directory 'www' at the top level of the svn, it'll become the web server root
Jan 08 15:09:35 <sikor_sxe> ah
Jan 08 15:09:36 <timeless> in general, you should use tags/ branches/ trunk/ www/
Jan 08 15:09:36 <sikor_sxe> i see
Jan 08 15:09:46 <Knirch> just pointing out that if that was the actual shebang, it's wrong :) (guess I could have typed that from the start instead)
Jan 08 15:09:57 <timeless> stick work into trunk, web content in www/, and do useless copies into branches/
Jan 08 15:10:16 <timeless> % head -1 /tmp/grab-garage-bits.sh
Jan 08 15:10:16 <timeless> #!/bin/sh
Jan 08 15:10:26 <timeless> i could have copied the line, but i didn't
Jan 08 15:10:38 <Knirch> :)
Jan 08 15:10:42 <Knirch> then it's all good :)
Jan 08 15:10:58 <timeless> well, it's not, since the script is -x
Jan 08 15:11:06 <timeless> which is probably why i run it w/ sh -x :)
Jan 08 15:11:54 * timeless adds a chmod to the fun
Jan 08 15:12:26 <|tbb|> sorry got disconnected, has anyone answered to my last question about connection manager applet
Jan 08 15:12:50 <ustunozgur> why doesn't the application manager allow multiple apps to be installed? and it seems very slow and can even get stuck sometimes, leaving a process called "apt-worker" consuming %100 cpu. apt-get is fine yet the should be improved I guess. Right?
Jan 08 15:13:09 <ustunozgur> the gui, that is.
Jan 08 15:14:06 <timeless> what do you mean multiple apps?
Jan 08 15:14:08 <fysa> a limitation in the way the underlying database is managed I believe.  you cannot run more than one instance of apt simultaneously.
Jan 08 15:14:19 <timeless> multiselect on maemo is such a disaster, you really don't want to think about it
Jan 08 15:14:21 <ustunozgur> timeless: select more than one app at a time
Jan 08 15:14:38 <timeless> ignoring that, the install feedback for when something isn't installable is fairly bad
Jan 08 15:14:53 <fysa> ah, you want to checkmark them all and hit install once.
Jan 08 15:14:57 <timeless> and conflicts involving installing multiple apps is probably "don't go there" territory
Jan 08 15:14:58 <ustunozgur> fysa: no, you can't, howevetr if you do stg like apt-get install a b c it will install all three
Jan 08 15:15:15 <ustunozgur> fysa: right
Jan 08 15:15:27 <timeless> checkboxes could be added
Jan 08 15:15:46 <timeless> bugs.maemo.org has a component for application manager, you could ask for it as a red pill feature
Jan 08 15:16:02 <timeless> personally, what bothers me is that after installing something, i lose my place
Jan 08 15:16:13 <timeless> if that didn't happen, i wonder if you'd still want this feature
Jan 08 15:16:14 <ustunozgur> timeless: probably, however this is my 5th day with the device and I enabled all the repositories on gronmayer.
Jan 08 15:16:20 <ustunozgur> timeless: right that bothered me
Jan 08 15:16:28 <fysa> I think they kind of fixed that in os2008?  it scrolls back down to where you left off -- but I lose my place mentally.
Jan 08 15:16:30 <ustunozgur> i thought it was fixed however
Jan 08 15:16:40 <timeless> it might be
Jan 08 15:16:46 <timeless> it certainly was broken in 2007 :)
Jan 08 15:16:54 <timeless> for an end user definition of broken :)
Jan 08 15:16:58 <fysa> waiting for some 5-10MB to download makes me forget what I was going to do next ;)
Jan 08 15:17:09 <timeless> fysa: bah
Jan 08 15:17:19 <timeless> fysa: you should probably use apt-get anyway
Jan 08 15:17:32 <fysa> yeah, I know ;)
Jan 08 15:17:34 <ustunozgur> fysa: similarly I hate the unability to open links in background
Jan 08 15:17:40 <timeless> the real question is, what would a real end user be doing
Jan 08 15:17:48 <ustunozgur> I hate wasting time waiting for the unresponsive microb.
Jan 08 15:17:50 <timeless> how often do you the end user want to install 5+ things at once?
Jan 08 15:18:00 <timeless> ustunozgur: what site(s)?
Jan 08 15:18:12 <timeless> and have you disabled flash?
Jan 08 15:18:17 * timeless hates wasting time w/ users who use flash
Jan 08 15:18:22 <ustunozgur> timeless: wikipedia for example.
Jan 08 15:18:32 <timeless> pick a url instead of a site
Jan 08 15:18:54 <ustunozgur> Say, I am reading an article, then i click some links given however i still read the article itself.
Jan 08 15:19:04 <fysa> you have experience with how maemo-launcher works, timeless?
Jan 08 15:19:12 <ustunozgur> So I right click open in new window then return back to the article
Jan 08 15:19:16 <timeless> i wrote a patch that wasn't accepted, does that count? :)
Jan 08 15:19:18 <ustunozgur> timeless: with news sites as well
Jan 08 15:19:19 <fysa> it caches files(?) of certain applications?
Jan 08 15:19:25 <fysa> so they launch more quickly?
Jan 08 15:19:28 <timeless> kinda
Jan 08 15:19:33 <timeless> what it really does is abuse fork()
Jan 08 15:19:34 <ustunozgur> one usually skims all and then starts reading right?
Jan 08 15:19:38 <|tbb|> timeless: after a fw upgrade
Jan 08 15:19:47 <timeless> basically most libraries in maemo are used by most applications
Jan 08 15:19:54 <fysa> so the memory usage of maemo-launcher itself as shown in top is not representative of wasted memory?
Jan 08 15:20:00 <timeless> so by having them loaded and initialized, the fork gets to keep that state
Jan 08 15:20:01 <fysa> and it's actually memory of a child process?
Jan 08 15:20:03 <ustunozgur> timeless: or for the rss reader too
Jan 08 15:20:22 <lardman> re
Jan 08 15:20:40 <Jaffa> re lardman_
Jan 08 15:21:11 <timeless> fysa: i think you want to cat /proc/{pid}/cmdline
Jan 08 15:21:19 <timeless> for some random maemo-launcher
Jan 08 15:21:32 <timeless> also keep in mind that top doesn't show processes
Jan 08 15:21:35 <timeless> it shows threads
Jan 08 15:21:47 <timeless> and all threads in a process share memory
Jan 08 15:22:05 <timeless> so if the numbers look the same, they probably are the same, and don't count
Jan 08 15:22:25 <timeless> note that if you open a file picker dialog, you're going to trigger a couple of gnomevfs threads
Jan 08 15:22:32 <timeless> which will increase the number of lines in top output
Jan 08 15:22:58 <fysa> my concern is maemo-launcher's memory usage mixed with the browser wanting all memory (103%), leading to a condition where we have excessive swap usage that may hurt performance more than maemo-launcher is helping.
Jan 08 15:23:32 <timeless> well, for example
Jan 08 15:23:43 <timeless> top listed a process named "maemo-launcher" and said pid 1110
Jan 08 15:23:49 <timeless> cat /proc/1110/cmdline
Jan 08 15:24:04 <timeless> /usr/bin/hildon-input-method
Jan 08 15:24:29 <timeless> it's not really "maemo-launcher", it's just because of the way fork and friends work that the process name in top is maemo-launcher
Jan 08 15:24:39 <timeless> in this case, it's really some stupid "input method"
Jan 08 15:24:48 <timeless> (who needs input methods, why doesn't everyone use ssh!)
Jan 08 15:24:56 <ustunozgur> on a second thought, selecting multiple applications is not that much of a concern. However since the device is new, I wanted to test as much applications as I could in a short time, that bugged me for the first a few days. But now everything is settled, it is not that much of a problem, given the backup utility backs up the installed apps list too.
Jan 08 15:25:03 <fysa> right
Jan 08 15:25:28 <ustunozgur> I haven't tried that yet however .Does it simply keep the sources.list and dpkg selections?
Jan 08 15:25:50 <fysa> that's what I thought you meant, thanks for clearing it up
Jan 08 15:25:54 <timeless> ustunozgur: right initial install is arguably not worth the complexity for the average case
Jan 08 15:26:25 <timeless> ustunozgur: it actually , at least when originally shipped /almost/ worked, but failed spectacularly
Jan 08 15:26:32 <ustunozgur> or does one need to backup .debs too?
Jan 08 15:26:36 <timeless> because the restore doesn't enable the extras repo
Jan 08 15:26:48 <timeless> you can have the debs saved to the internal mmc1
Jan 08 15:26:50 <timeless> 2
Jan 08 15:27:08 <timeless> but i suspect since it's talking to the repo, if the repo lists a different thing, you won't benefit from that
Jan 08 15:27:22 <|tbb|> whats the name of connection-manager applet that one which is in the upper bar (green ball)?
Jan 08 15:27:27 <timeless> presence
Jan 08 15:27:40 <timeless> but it's not connection-manager related
Jan 08 15:27:44 <czr> omniscience!
Jan 08 15:27:47 <czr> hey timeless
Jan 08 15:27:58 <timeless> hi czr, you back in the scary world?
Jan 08 15:28:06 <czr> no. still in la-la-land
Jan 08 15:28:16 <|tbb|> is it possible to trigger it to disconnect or connect to the accounts
Jan 08 15:28:19 <czr> starting my 22 hour journey back tomorrow
Jan 08 15:28:24 <timeless> bah, install mxr.maemo.org deb and play w/ mxr.maemo.org :)
Jan 08 15:28:45 <timeless> tbb: that in generally won't affect your actual network connection
Jan 08 15:29:08 <timeless> which is controlled by the wifi/phone indicator (called "connectivity" or icd)
Jan 08 15:29:26 <timeless> czr: pleasant journey
Jan 08 15:29:40 <czr> timeless, right :-) & thanks
Jan 08 15:29:42 <czr> three flights
Jan 08 15:29:52 <timeless> wow, that's a lot, what's the path?
Jan 08 15:29:53 <czr> ample time at airports. what could be more pleasant :-)
Jan 08 15:30:02 <timeless> rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (41769 bytes received so far) [sender]
Jan 08 15:30:03 <czr> jax -> detroit -> amsterdam -> helsinki
Jan 08 15:30:38 <czr> there's also a flight from atl direct to helsinki but that'd mean 4 hours more driving from here and my chauffeurs didn't want to do that..
Jan 08 15:30:49 <timeless> heh
Jan 08 15:30:53 <ustunozgur> timeless: ok, thanks for the warning that extra repos don't work with backup.
Jan 08 15:31:15 <timeless> ustiunozgur: note, i have no idea if that still applies in the 50 release
Jan 08 15:31:25 <timeless> it was blogged by the main dev as a sad goof
Jan 08 15:31:33 <timeless> but i don't know if he had a way to fix it
Jan 08 15:31:49 * timeless is fairly certain it was a specified feature, and those things tend to be fairly hard to change
Jan 08 15:32:14 <timeless> basically if you flash, skip the restore, enable extras, and then restore, i think things probably should work
Jan 08 15:32:22 <timeless> although, um... i haven't flashed yet :)
Jan 08 15:32:22 <ustunozgur> in fact, given the multitude of repos I currently have, I am quite amazed that the device can still work without conflicts.
Jan 08 15:33:18 <ustunozgur> btw shouldn't it be easily done the manual way, i.e. backing up the sources.list and getting selecting with dpkg?
Jan 08 15:33:36 <jott> pupnik: any new information from nokia.de?
Jan 08 15:33:37 <timeless> application manager treats sources.list as writeonly ;)
Jan 08 15:34:19 <pupnik> yes they just called me
Jan 08 15:34:37 <pupnik> they hadn't gotten any info from nokia about the codes and just recently found out about it themselves
Jan 08 15:34:41 <|tbb|> hmmh, havent found infos about that omniscience.
Jan 08 15:34:56 <timeless> http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/os2008/source/hildon-application-manager-2.0.2/hildon-application-manager.conf#6
Jan 08 15:35:01 <timeless> shows the files they actually use
Jan 08 15:35:04 <pupnik> they confirmed that they have not activated any codes, and the lady just informed me that she had no indication that the codes would *ever* be activated in germany
Jan 08 15:35:25 <timeless> http://mxr.maemol.org/os2008/source/hildon-application-manager-2.0.2/hildon-application-manager.conf
Jan 08 15:35:27 <script> pupnik: *sigh*
Jan 08 15:35:28 <timeless> er
Jan 08 15:35:34 <timeless> http://mxr.maemo.org/os2008/source/hildon-application-manager-2.0.2/hildon-application-manager.conf
Jan 08 15:35:47 <timeless> for those of you w/ mxr-maemo-org-dns
Jan 08 15:35:58 <jott> pupnik: they seem to have good internal communications...
Jan 08 15:36:37 <czr> |tbb|, you're supposed to know about it without searching..
Jan 08 15:36:39 <timeless> jott: http://www.google.com/search?q=nokia+connecting+people&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
Jan 08 15:36:51 <X-Fade> pupnik: They are going to work. There are some companies that have made a deal with Nokia so that they can offer you a discount if you use their promo code..
Jan 08 15:37:14 <lardman> Jaffa: has yours turned up?
Jan 08 15:37:16 <timeless> http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/os2008/source/hildon-application-manager-2.0.2/src/hildon-application-manager-merge-catalogues.cc#48
Jan 08 15:37:23 <lardman> Jaffa: mine would have done had my doorbell been working
Jan 08 15:37:25 <fysa> is there an x86 maemo?
Jan 08 15:37:25 <timeless> http://mxr.maemo.org/os2008/source/hildon-application-manager-2.0.2/src/hildon-application-manager-merge-catalogues.cc#48
Jan 08 15:37:30 <X-Fade> pupnik: And those generate more sales than we combined.
Jan 08 15:37:33 <pupnik> X-Fade: ok if you have any info about what us germans should do, please let me know
Jan 08 15:37:36 <timeless> fysa: what do you mean?
Jan 08 15:37:59 <X-Fade> pupnik: No, I don't have any more info. But it will be fixed.. eventually..
Jan 08 15:38:03 <fysa> I am putting together a touchscreen wall-mounted machine for the living room, and hildon would make a nice interface.
Jan 08 15:38:20 <lardman> fysa: sounds cool
Jan 08 15:38:37 <jott> pupnik: could you convince them to talk with finland (or some other authority) or do they just say, that they don't care?
Jan 08 15:39:22 <|tbb|> czr ?
Jan 08 15:39:59 <czr> |tbb|, the omniscience bit was a joke..
Jan 08 15:40:01 <pupnik> jott: well they just became aware of the issue, but they don't drive the process.  it is up to nokia (fi) to implement, and the german shop was not informed of this stuff
Jan 08 15:42:04 <pupnik> So at least i found out one thing, it's not that nokia.de has received instructions to implement the codes, and has just sat on the job.  (according to their accounts)
Jan 08 15:42:29 <fysa> (coincidentally, x86 maemo would also prove a nice menlow OS)
Jan 08 15:43:52 <pupnik> menlow will eat batteries and get crap reviews because of it
Jan 08 15:44:25 <pupnik> compared to omap devices at least
Jan 08 15:44:51 <jott> well the question seems now: whom to contact at nokia (fi), so some kind of action will be taken?!
Jan 08 15:45:05 <fysa> better than running ubuntu at 200dpi ;)
Jan 08 15:45:08 <fysa> (or worse)
Jan 08 15:46:23 <fysa> I don't know what advances we'll see in the ARM camp, but the x86 is obviously marching toward smaller/lighter/more efficient and eventually it will get there.
Jan 08 15:46:30 <fysa> if not this round, then the next or the one after..
Jan 08 15:46:52 <pupnik> jott, there's not a lot we can do IMO.  Have you checked to see if your code works in any other european stores (IT, NL, BE)?
Jan 08 15:47:13 <czr> fysa, depends on what you mean by advances. ARM has been designed for low power devices for ages.
Jan 08 15:47:34 <czr> fysa, if you want performance, you'll have hard time finding an ARM implementation that has been optimized for that.
Jan 08 15:47:48 <pupnik> I'd be happy with a N810 from an english-layout country as well (UK... others?)
Jan 08 15:47:50 <fysa> and while hildon+firefox run passably at 128MB w/400MHz, 1GHz+ w/1GB RAM would absolutely scream.
Jan 08 15:47:52 <czr> x86 on the other hand has been designed to .. well.. I guess no one really knows anymore what it was designed for :-)
Jan 08 15:47:54 <jott> pupnik: not yet. i guess nl would be the best option as they seem to deliver german keyboard layouts anway ;-)
Jan 08 15:47:59 * timeless frowns
Jan 08 15:48:02 * timeless can't figure out garage
Jan 08 15:48:12 <|tbb|> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14530  so if thats correct what they writing, its more important for me how to disable it from commandline
Jan 08 15:48:13 <fysa> indeed, czr
Jan 08 15:48:14 * czr hears a garage door opening
Jan 08 15:50:14 <fysa> not an intel fanboy or anything, but the market trend is obviously smaller/faster/more efficient -- there will be a point where x86 chipset is faster and more efficient than the current armel, there's no doubting that.  and when that happens, the hildon-UI will be perfectly usable on any linuxable tablet with a similar touchscreen/display dpi.
Jan 08 15:50:48 <jott> pupnik: question is: do they deliver to germany at all - and how much shipping costs would we have to pay...
Jan 08 15:51:13 <zoran> fysa, talking about small factor device?
Jan 08 15:51:17 <czr> well, fysa, intel also has strongarm :-)
Jan 08 15:51:24 <fysa> that's what menlow is..
Jan 08 15:52:08 <lardman> I thought they'd sold their arm stuff?
Jan 08 15:52:31 <fysa> they have 1.7GHz x86 using 4 watts under load, less than a watt at idle
Jan 08 15:52:37 <fysa> I believe.
Jan 08 15:53:26 <jott> pupnik: and.. how what kind of warranty we could claim...
Jan 08 15:53:44 <czr> less than watt idle is not very good though
Jan 08 15:53:48 <fysa> dude
Jan 08 15:53:51 <fysa> stop talking about tech shit
Jan 08 15:53:52 <fysa> :)
Jan 08 15:53:54 <czr> I'd like to see a almost static design :-)
Jan 08 15:54:04 <fysa> we're not arguing technical abilities of chipsets..
Jan 08 15:54:09 <fysa> http://pocketables.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/01/07/gigabyte_mid.jpg
Jan 08 15:54:12 <czr> I much prefer silicon based shit to the carbon based one :-)
Jan 08 15:54:16 <fysa> haha
Jan 08 15:54:16 <czr> true :-)
Jan 08 15:54:28 <fysa> ^^ that's what my point is.
Jan 08 15:54:47 * czr nods
Jan 08 15:55:06 <fysa> that device is begging for hildon.  hildon seems slightly too heavy for the devices we have it on now, but it would likely be a dream..   and this year we are going to have a load of people wanting to run Linux on those devices.
Jan 08 15:55:18 <fysa> the question is, does maemo want them?
Jan 08 15:55:30 <fysa> I don't think they do..
Jan 08 15:55:33 <fysa> but they will want maemo.
Jan 08 15:55:37 <czr> you'd be better asking that question from gnome mobile I guess
Jan 08 15:55:49 <czr> canonical too
Jan 08 15:56:21 <fysa> I'm hoping Nokia has some ideas for faster armel chipsets..
Jan 08 15:56:36 <pupnik> OMAP3430 can co up to over 1 GHZ
Jan 08 15:57:27 <lardman> it'll need bigger batteries in that case
Jan 08 15:57:38 <lardman> why do you need a faster processor anyway?
Jan 08 15:57:39 <pupnik> yes there are two varieties of OMAP3430 fab
Jan 08 15:57:43 <fysa> or a new processor..
Jan 08 15:57:52 <lardman> or enable the powervr... :)
Jan 08 15:58:05 <fysa> http://www.engadgethd.com/2006/02/14/breaking-news-tis-omap-3430-processor-adds-hd-to-phones/
Jan 08 15:58:22 <lardman> decoding HD movies?
Jan 08 15:58:23 <pupnik> for the evil craptacular websites, and for the bloaty stuff users want to port from pc land, and for high-def 800x480 media
Jan 08 15:58:25 <fysa> two years later, we're almost due..
Jan 08 15:58:29 <fysa> haha, yeah
Jan 08 15:58:46 <fysa> there is a whole world of bloaty goodness waiting to be hogged
Jan 08 15:58:50 <fysa> mame..
Jan 08 15:58:58 <lardman> pupnik: the bloaty stuff needs to be disuaded somehow
Jan 08 15:59:06 <fysa> emulators..
Jan 08 15:59:14 <fysa> java vm
Jan 08 15:59:29 <fysa> tabs ;)
Jan 08 15:59:30 <lardman> fysa: why can't a Java vm run on it as is?
Jan 08 15:59:59 <pupnik> lardman: i agree that well-coded is much better, but high performance hardware opens up more doors, and with the 3430 you don't sacrifice battery life
Jan 08 16:00:00 <fysa> java vm could/may run fine now, no question -- just associating things with bloaty
Jan 08 16:00:22 <lardman> pupnik: perhaps, but only if you run at the current clock I imagine
Jan 08 16:00:34 <fysa> a well designed system will only use the power required by the current load
Jan 08 16:01:04 <fysa> I want to be able to run 800MHz when my application demands, because obviously I don't care about battery life at that moment or I wouldn't be running it. ;)
Jan 08 16:01:15 <czr> fysa, all the advances in speed will be used by yet more bloated software, so don't worry, you'll never find your grail ;-)
Jan 08 16:01:25 <pupnik> sure, but as lardman suggests, if the apps that don't need much cpu hog a lot of cpu, they'll be wasting battery
Jan 08 16:01:28 <lardman> yeah, but if almost no sw needs the full speed, then they'll go for something cheaper and slower
Jan 08 16:01:54 <pupnik> man that is some real old news fysa :)
Jan 08 16:02:15 * czr remembers his first x86, running at a whopping 10 MHz
Jan 08 16:02:17 <fysa> aha
Jan 08 16:02:22 <fysa> OMP3430 is 65nm
Jan 08 16:02:28 <fysa> OMAP3430..
Jan 08 16:02:34 <fysa> maybe we will see a 45nm version.
Jan 08 16:02:39 <czr> an instructions took many cycles to complete anyway
Jan 08 16:02:56 <ustunozgur> does booting from mmc really make the device faster?
Jan 08 16:03:03 <ustunozgur> what are the disadvantages?
Jan 08 16:03:08 <fysa> "# OMAP3430 - ARM Cortex A8 + ISP (Image Signal Processor) + PowerVR SGX 535 2D/3D Graphics Accelerator + IVA2+ (Imaging and Video Accelerator). Will be manufactured in 65 nm and later in 45 nm."
Jan 08 16:03:33 <czr> "for really small people"
Jan 08 16:03:38 <lardman> ISP sounds interesting, in addition to IVA2
Jan 08 16:03:43 <fysa> OMAP3420 (expected in 2008) - ARM Cortex A8 + ISP (Image Signal Processor) + PowerVR SGX 535 2D/3D Graphics Accelerator + IVA2 (Imaging and Video Accelerator). Will be manufactured in 65 nm and later in 45 nm.
Jan 08 16:04:07 <lardman> but I doubt we'll see anything using those until the chip is >5 years old and there's some information available about it
Jan 08 16:04:08 <fysa> so..  there's your Nokia timeline. ;)
Jan 08 16:04:24 <lardman> anything Linux that is
Jan 08 16:05:46 <fysa> oh, that's a different core CPU?
Jan 08 16:06:05 <lardman> still arm just next gen
Jan 08 16:06:08 <fysa> ARM Cortex A8 ~= ARM11?
Jan 08 16:06:15 <kulve> nope
Jan 08 16:06:22 <fysa> byte compatible?
Jan 08 16:06:32 <lardman> yes, they tend to be backward compatible
Jan 08 16:06:35 <kulve> arm11 == arv6, cortex == armv7
Jan 08 16:06:41 <fysa> ah
Jan 08 16:07:09 <tank-man> ustunozgur, i think the advantages are being able to have a bigger root partition
Jan 08 16:07:17 <tank-man> to install more apps
Jan 08 16:07:40 <ustunozgur> tank-man: doesn't constant access corrupt sd's?
Jan 08 16:08:08 <tank-man> i dont think so, where are you getting that info?
Jan 08 16:08:39 <lardman> Slightly OT, but anyone got a dlink DNS-323?
Jan 08 16:10:12 <ustunozgur> tank-man: well b/c sd's have a maximum read/write cycle no?
Jan 08 16:11:33 <tank-man> well isnt the internal memory flash as well?
Jan 08 16:12:07 <ustunozgur> right
Jan 08 16:13:26 <pupnik> and you can replace cards
Jan 08 16:14:16 <ustunozgur> ok, so it seems to be worth the effort.
Jan 08 16:14:50 <michele_> does martin grimme hang on here?
Jan 08 16:16:27 <michele_> mediabox's author
Jan 08 16:16:30 <Jaffa> lardman: wife hasn't mentioned it arriving, but I used the cheap delivery
Jan 08 16:16:38 <Jaffa> pycage is his nick, if he did IIRC
Jan 08 16:16:42 <Jaffa> infobot: seen pycage
Jan 08 16:16:46 <infobot> Jaffa: i haven't seen 'pycage'
Jan 08 16:17:11 <michele_> The nickname [pycage] is not registered
Jan 08 16:17:15 <michele_> guess not
Jan 08 16:17:19 <zoran> Jaffa talks to AI
Jan 08 16:17:21 <lardman> Jaffa: you'd better make sure you get to it before her!
Jan 08 16:17:51 <fysa> lardman: I don't own one, but played with one last week..
Jan 08 16:18:41 <lardman> fysa: I'm after a NAS which I can run the Topfield link sw on, but also need to support a wifi usb dongle which that one doesn't appear to do (yet)
Jan 08 16:19:10 <fysa> even with the uclinux?
Jan 08 16:19:53 <zoran> linksys nslu2?
Jan 08 16:19:58 <fysa> no experience with topfield..
Jan 08 16:20:16 <lardman> fysa: not a standard kernel, would need some hacking
Jan 08 16:20:29 <lardman> zoran: I'd prefer to go for internal HDDs
Jan 08 16:20:50 <fysa> you check Netgear?
Jan 08 16:20:54 <zoran> ah, they have newer version, with inner hdd now
Jan 08 16:20:55 <lardman> fysa: it's just a command line app, all i need is to be able to ssh into the box from the www
Jan 08 16:21:07 <fysa> they were doing more Linuxy stuff on some of their newer NAS.
Jan 08 16:21:45 <lardman> Ah, Netgear SC101 (IDE but still)
Jan 08 16:22:20 <fysa> thehttp://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS3943657768.html
Jan 08 16:22:20 <fysa> http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS3943657768.html
Jan 08 16:22:41 <fysa> oh, that's higher end.
Jan 08 16:23:07 <lardman> yeah, not sure I have 4Tb of mp3s just yet :)
Jan 08 16:23:19 <fysa> Buffalo Tech also maybe
Jan 08 16:23:42 <fysa> http://www.engadget.com/2004/10/28/buffalotechs-linux-network-area-storage-kuro-box/
Jan 08 16:23:47 <lardman> hmm, perhaps just some kernel hacking on the Dlink one, it does look like it ticks all the other boxes
Jan 08 16:24:04 <fysa> same/similar to NSLU2 but has internal drive?
Jan 08 16:25:01 <fysa> they may have a newer release of it..
Jan 08 16:25:13 <lardman> I'm sure I looked at that and it's hard in the uk to get a kuro and the normal Buffalo one isn't supported as the chipset changed. iirc
Jan 08 16:25:51 <lardman> ah well, thanks for the suggestions, time to go to visit the ups depot and collect the N810
Jan 08 16:25:58 <lardman> :)
Jan 08 16:27:53 <fysa> gl
Jan 08 16:30:42 <sikor_sxe> what is the easiest way to take screenshots on os2008?
Jan 08 16:31:34 <truls> camera
Jan 08 16:32:48 <mgedmin> sikor_sxe: instal load-applet
Jan 08 16:33:11 <|tbb|> anyone knows how to control osso-applet-presence from shell?
Jan 08 16:33:36 <mgedmin> what replaced osso-screenshot-tool in os2008?
Jan 08 16:34:19 <ustunozgur> sikor_sxe: btw load-applet puts the screenshots in the images folder.
Jan 08 16:34:55 <mgedmin> right, and it *overrides existing ones*
Jan 08 16:35:01 <mgedmin> it starts numbering from 0 every time you restart
Jan 08 16:35:17 <sp3000> mgedmin: the sdk repo has a 'screenshot-tool'
Jan 08 16:35:33 <mgedmin> is it a good idea to use the sdk repo directly on the device?
Jan 08 16:35:51 * mgedmin thinks the answer is either "no" or "yes, if you're careful"
Jan 08 16:36:21 * sp3000 thinks that's probably about the right answer range
Jan 08 16:36:51 <sp3000> I just fetch individual debs if I want something from the sdk repo on the device
Jan 08 16:37:02 <sp3000> but that's a kind of weird situation
Jan 08 16:37:21 <timeless> sp3000: got a minute?
Jan 08 16:37:56 <sp3000> yes
Jan 08 16:38:11 * timeless is trying to figure out what to do when about:contributors has dozens of entries
Jan 08 16:38:37 * dhd just ordered an N810
Jan 08 16:42:22 <Robot101> good choice
Jan 08 16:43:57 <zoran> bmw 725 is even better
Jan 08 16:44:24 <mgedmin> but does it fit into a pocket?
Jan 08 16:44:29 * timeless frowns
Jan 08 16:44:29 <timeless> sp3000?
Jan 08 16:44:57 <sp3000> Âż
Jan 08 16:45:15 <zoran> mgedmin, yes, if it is big enough
Jan 08 16:45:55 * czr imagines zoran's pants
Jan 08 16:46:02 <timeless> data:text/xml,<?xml%20version="1.0"%20encoding="UTF-8"?><!DOCTYPE%20html%20PUBLIC%20"-//W3C//DTD%20XHTML%201.1//EN"%20"http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml11/DTD/xhtml11.dtd"><html%20xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><head><title>1</title><script%20src='data:application/javascript,window.title=2'></script></head><body>1</body></html>
Jan 08 16:46:11 <timeless> sp3000: try loading that page in fx
Jan 08 16:46:19 <timeless> select all, right click, view selection source
Jan 08 16:48:08 <sp3000> head is in selection?
Jan 08 16:51:26 <timeless> sp3000: try http://pastebin.mozilla.org/299255
Jan 08 16:51:33 <timeless> (the url grew a bit long...)
Jan 08 16:57:44 * sp3000 isn't sure what to make of that
Jan 08 16:57:58 <sp3000> it only included the text node?
Jan 08 16:59:02 <timeless> sp3000: <script /> isn't legal
Jan 08 16:59:08 <timeless> so the parser complains
Jan 08 16:59:35 <sp3000> ah, that
Jan 08 16:59:43 <timeless> ok, fun problem
Jan 08 16:59:55 <timeless> how do i encode an appid into an id field?
Jan 08 16:59:58 <timeless> or do i not bother?
Jan 08 17:00:10 <czr> encode an apple instead!
Jan 08 17:00:13 <czr> apples are tasty
Jan 08 17:27:46 <pupnik>  
Jan 08 17:28:07 <pupnik> cool mplayer on the nokia can do msnbc live streams?  mms://msnbc.wm.llnwd.net/msnbc_6_live_8828
Jan 08 17:33:11 <melmoth> is it me or si there no gpe calendar for os2008 (yet?)
Jan 08 17:38:49 <LoCusF> there is
Jan 08 17:56:02 <skibur> what is the meaning of life today?
Jan 08 17:56:11 <czr> 17 + 23.
Jan 08 17:58:20 <hedgecore> +2
Jan 08 17:58:49 <czr> neh. 42 is a myth
Jan 08 18:00:50 <CrashandDie> hey everyone
Jan 08 18:01:50 <lcuk_2> hey crash (and everyone else)
Jan 08 18:01:59 * lcuk_2 returns from hibernation
Jan 08 18:02:34 <CrashandDie> man I can't wait to get my tablet
Jan 08 18:02:53 <lcuk_2> you havent got one at all yet?
Jan 08 18:03:09 <CrashandDie> nha
Jan 08 18:03:14 <lcuk_2> ahhh
Jan 08 18:03:18 <CrashandDie> There is one at school I'll be using for dev
Jan 08 18:03:26 <CrashandDie> but the usage is kinda limited
Jan 08 18:04:07 <CrashandDie> Well, I can do whatever I want with it, but at the end of the day, it's going back into its box, so...
Jan 08 18:04:09 <lcuk_2> if your doin dev on school one what are u gonna do on home one
Jan 08 18:04:18 <CrashandDie> well other sort of dev :)
Jan 08 18:04:25 <lcuk_2> lol
Jan 08 18:04:33 <CrashandDie> and just having fun with it
Jan 08 18:04:42 <lcuk_2> in the week before i got my 810 i was looking for a dev env
Jan 08 18:04:55 <CrashandDie> I already have 2 laptops, but one is heavily wired it's a pain to move it
Jan 08 18:04:59 <lcuk_2> i signed up for trolltech qt evaluation thingy
Jan 08 18:05:12 <lcuk_2> and today t work i got a call from them
Jan 08 18:05:38 <CrashandDie> what gives ?
Jan 08 18:05:43 <lcuk_2> "hi its blahblah from cold northern country, how are you doing, are you ready to buy yet"
Jan 08 18:05:54 <CrashandDie> lulz
Jan 08 18:06:04 <lcuk_2> me: (sheepishly) ermmmmmm i evaluated it and decided on python + gtk
Jan 08 18:06:27 * lcuk_2 never even got to install it 
Jan 08 18:06:27 <mgedmin> heh
Jan 08 18:06:29 <mgedmin> pygtk rules
Jan 08 18:06:50 <lcuk_2> indeed it does
Jan 08 18:06:52 <CrashandDie> never been a big python fan
Jan 08 18:06:58 <CrashandDie> well, never got into it so
Jan 08 18:07:01 <penguinbait> me either
Jan 08 18:07:26 <CrashandDie> is there a java port for maemo ?
Jan 08 18:07:32 <CrashandDie> or c# ?
Jan 08 18:08:48 <mgedmin> java: probably not, c# (or, more specifically, mono): maybe
Jan 08 18:08:51 <lcuk_2> dun think so properly - mono works ive heard but not fantastically
Jan 08 18:09:28 <lcuk_2> hang on, i have seen a java package
Jan 08 18:10:41 <lcuk_2> http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Getting_started_with_Java_on_maemo
Jan 08 18:11:19 * lcuk_2 sees a lot and has a google like brain
Jan 08 18:16:11 <CrashandDie> lcuk_2, could you then draw me all the pictures you've seen meeting the keyword "hello", order them by size, and alert me whenever there's something new you see with "hello" in it?
Jan 08 18:17:05 <lcuk_2> no but my gf is a librarian and loves ordering and arranging things
Jan 08 18:17:38 <lcuk_2> and does google order by size?
Jan 08 18:18:17 <lcuk_2> "select from boobies order by cupsize desc"
Jan 08 18:22:25 <CrashandDie> heh
Jan 08 18:23:02 <CrashandDie> lcuk_2, LIMIT 20, 10, else you're going to down the whole server... Must be quite a lot of pics
Jan 08 18:23:59 <script> lcuk_2: your girlfriend is a librarian? - ha .. sounds like xkcd ;)
Jan 08 18:24:24 * CrashandDie shivers everytime someone called simon joins IRC
Jan 08 18:32:29 <jonek> CrashandDie: there are multiple Java ports for internet tablets. See phoneMEAdvanced and Sebstian Manckes Jalimo.
Jan 08 18:32:48 <CrashandDie> jonek, I will, thanks
Jan 08 18:58:58 <Cord> Germany: discount codes work
Jan 08 18:59:53 <pupnik> hooray!  thanks to whoever put in overtime today! :)
Jan 08 19:04:39 <ywwg> Right now when I create a .desktop file for my application it always shows up in the "Extras" category.  How do I get it to show up under "Internet?"  I tried setting the "Categories" field in the .desktop file but that didn't do it
Jan 08 19:06:38 <skibur> creating a startup screen for the nokia
Jan 08 19:06:49 <skibur> maemo is debian
Jan 08 19:07:08 <inz> ywwg, there's a program you can call in your postinst that shows a dialog which allows the user to choose the category
Jan 08 19:07:42 <inz> ywwg, you could also create a program that uses libhildon(menu|desktop) to move it ;)
Jan 08 19:07:57 <jsmith> Any way to add additional categories?
Jan 08 19:07:59 <ds3> is it possible for a BTPROTO_SCO socket to work on any of the 3 devices?
Jan 08 19:08:26 * jsmith stops lurking long enough to ask an amateur question...
Jan 08 19:09:20 <inz> jsmith, remember that you can only make first impression once ;)
Jan 08 19:09:41 <ywwg> inz: thanks, I'll look around for those apis
Jan 08 19:09:49 <inz> jsmith, no pressure ;)
Jan 08 19:10:53 <jsmith> inz: It's all good... I'm just happy to be the proud owner of a shiny new N810
Jan 08 19:11:13 <ywwg> inz: I don't suppose you know of the name of that program I can call from postinst?
Jan 08 19:12:09 <mgedmin> ywwg: check the app developer's guide on maemo.org
Jan 08 19:12:34 <mgedmin> or look in /var/lib/packages/nameofpackage.postinst if you remember a package that uses it
Jan 08 19:12:47 <mgedmin> but bookmarking the maemo guide is a good idea in any case
Jan 08 19:22:52 <Robin__> Hello Everybody
Jan 08 19:28:02 <Robin__> Anyone there online atm/
Jan 08 19:28:04 <Robin__> ?
Jan 08 19:28:09 <Robin__> I mean, awake?
Jan 08 19:28:14 <CrashandDie> yeah
Jan 08 19:28:15 <CrashandDie> sortof
Jan 08 19:29:04 <Robin__> ah
Jan 08 19:29:05 <Robin__> cool
Jan 08 19:29:07 <sibbe> wtf... is the bootup progress bar just fake thingie with 10sec timeout?
Jan 08 19:29:14 <Robin__> do you hace a nokia n819?
Jan 08 19:29:17 <jga23> is there anything for maemo that will sync with google spreadsheets?  in microb I can't scroll, so it's pretty much unusable
Jan 08 19:29:29 <sibbe> fb-progress -l $IMGDIR/$LOGO -g $IMGDIR/$BAR $SECS &
Jan 08 19:30:59 <jott> thanks to the ones informing the right people at nokia.de about the discount codes! and thanks to nokia too ;-) *just ordered*
Jan 08 19:32:59 <Robin__> Do I have a terminal if I buy the n810
Jan 08 19:33:21 <Robin__> and can I compile my own binarys? so I can run scapy and xterm?
Jan 08 19:33:28 <bill2or3> yeah
Jan 08 19:33:58 <Robin__> really? So I hve a Terminal when I buy it?
Jan 08 19:34:00 <CrashandDie> hax
Jan 08 19:34:04 <CrashandDie> H4X !
Jan 08 19:34:11 <CrashandDie> Estimated delivery: Jan 10, 2008 by 6:00 PM
Jan 08 19:34:11 <scibot> o_o
Jan 08 19:34:14 <CrashandDie> :D
Jan 08 19:34:16 <Robin__> So I can do wget gcc and wget scrapy.arm?
Jan 08 19:34:39 <bill2or3> you can cross compile stuff, using a pc.
Jan 08 19:34:51 <bill2or3> you can't compile stuff natively right on the device. (at least not easily)
Jan 08 19:35:01 <Robin__> Yea, ok Ill compile using my Gentoo box
Jan 08 19:35:10 <Robin__> But I can put xterm on there?! :)
Jan 08 19:35:26 <bill2or3> it comes with.
Jan 08 19:35:33 <bill2or3> uses busybox for the shell.
Jan 08 19:36:26 <CrashandDie> what the media center program for maemo ?
Jan 08 19:36:32 <CrashandDie> jaleno or something
Jan 08 19:36:32 <Robin__> Ah, ok cool :)
Jan 08 19:36:33 <Robin__> thanks
Jan 08 19:36:52 <CrashandDie> canola :)
Jan 08 19:36:55 <Robin__> Where can I find the Terminal so I can see it when I am in the store?
Jan 08 19:39:22 <bill2or3> it's under 'utilities', afair.
Jan 08 19:39:29 <bill2or3> scroll to the bottom of the menu.
Jan 08 19:40:03 <Robin__> THANKS :D
Jan 08 19:40:05 <Robin__> ^^
Jan 08 19:40:08 <bill2or3> no problem.
Jan 08 19:52:37 <pupnik> suddenly i am happy!
Jan 08 19:52:39 <pupnik> :D
Jan 08 19:53:10 <k-s> anyone looked at lightmediascanner?
Jan 08 19:53:28 <pupnik> I feel like a kid whose hot dog got stolen by a dog, and who then gets a replacement by the nice hotdog salesman. :D :D :D
Jan 08 19:53:29 <jott> pupnik: you also had a full discount? :)
Jan 08 19:53:36 <pupnik> jeah!
Jan 08 19:54:13 <pupnik> suddenly i'm motivated to do some hacking
Jan 08 19:54:26 * jott too :)
Jan 08 19:54:27 <pupnik> hahaha.  i am such simple creature
Jan 08 19:54:43 <jott> incentives always work ;)
Jan 08 20:07:15 <nomis> pupnik: does the german shop work now?
Jan 08 20:07:23 <pupnik> yes
Jan 08 20:07:30 <nomis> cool. /me orders
Jan 08 20:08:02 * pupnik sings in wavering off-key
Jan 08 20:08:24 <pupnik> ~Join us now and share the software.  You'll be free, hacker. You'll be free-e-e-e-e!"  :D
Jan 08 20:08:41 * lcuk throws a boot at pupnik
Jan 08 20:08:51 * mardi__ sticks fingers in ears   ;)
Jan 08 20:09:39 <lcuk> pup, gether you got a nice discount then
Jan 08 20:10:10 * lcuk wonders just how much i can save by singing and hacking also
Jan 08 20:20:02 <nomis> [x] ordered. Yay1
Jan 08 20:29:26 <ustunozgur> I recently bought a N800 miniSync Retractable Sync and Charge Cable but it just stopped charging. When I plug it in, a notification saying "not charging" appears. Anyone with a similar experience?
Jan 08 20:30:13 <glass> what you're sticking it into?
Jan 08 20:31:40 <dhd> lardman: hello!
Jan 08 20:40:19 <florian> re
Jan 08 20:41:41 <ustunozgur> well, retracting the cable solved my problem :) seems that the cable got mixed up.
Jan 08 20:58:37 <SpekTrumBash> hey i gotsss a nokia
Jan 08 20:58:43 <SpekTrumBash> all bein the skreenz a lil brusied
Jan 08 20:58:53 <astro76> ustunozgur: mixed up? that doesn't sound good
Jan 08 20:58:57 <SpekTrumBash> and the sime card tasted like k@ktis fewd
Jan 08 20:59:05 <astro76> ustunozgur: is that the boxwave cable?
Jan 08 20:59:05 <SpekTrumBash> its all purplier bio gammetic
Jan 08 20:59:21 <SpekTrumBash> can u flash my nokia ?!
Jan 08 20:59:25 <SpekTrumBash> imgonnna exlose
Jan 08 20:59:28 <SpekTrumBash> flef
Jan 08 20:59:39 <SpekTrumBash> when
Jan 08 20:59:41 <SpekTrumBash> u feel
Jan 08 20:59:42 <SpekTrumBash> afria
Jan 08 20:59:43 <SpekTrumBash> dwhen
Jan 08 20:59:45 <SpekTrumBash> x mas comes
Jan 08 20:59:46 <SpekTrumBash> delaid
Jan 08 20:59:47 <astro76> idiot
Jan 08 20:59:48 <SpekTrumBash> ....
Jan 08 20:59:51 <SpekTrumBash> to never
Jan 08 20:59:52 <SpekTrumBash> never
Jan 08 20:59:53 <SpekTrumBash> id not
Jan 08 20:59:54 <SpekTrumBash> not id
Jan 08 20:59:58 <SpekTrumBash> ex fi delcko
Jan 08 21:00:03 <SpekTrumBash> ex phi on felm
Jan 08 21:00:09 <SpekTrumBash> PEL ! f
Jan 08 21:00:13 <SpekTrumBash> damn frenchies
Jan 08 21:00:15 <SpekTrumBash> clone
Jan 08 21:00:16 <SpekTrumBash> clone
Jan 08 21:00:18 <SpekTrumBash> o bab dont u cry
Jan 08 21:00:22 <SpekTrumBash> !!!!
Jan 08 21:00:24 <SpekTrumBash> ???
Jan 08 21:00:26 <SpekTrumBash> XX
Jan 08 21:00:27 <SpekTrumBash> !!!!
Jan 08 21:00:29 <SpekTrumBash> YYYY
Jan 08 21:00:32 <SpekTrumBash> zoom
Jan 08 21:00:33 <SpekTrumBash> ....
Jan 08 21:00:34 <SpekTrumBash> ....
Jan 08 21:00:35 <SpekTrumBash> ....
Jan 08 21:00:37 <SpekTrumBash> !!!!!
Jan 08 21:00:40 <SpekTrumBash> YYYYY
Jan 08 21:00:43 <SpekTrumBash> roger incoming
Jan 08 21:00:44 <ustunozgur> astro76: the cable rolled on itself, there was a nod.
Jan 08 21:00:55 <SpekTrumBash> plarf
Jan 08 21:00:59 <SpekTrumBash> cls alwsys clarsszz
Jan 08 21:01:04 <SpekTrumBash> meow
Jan 08 21:01:06 <SpekTrumBash> meow
Jan 08 21:01:08 <SpekTrumBash> ideot
Jan 08 21:01:09 <SpekTrumBash> eot
Jan 08 21:01:10 <SpekTrumBash> eot
Jan 08 21:01:11 <SpekTrumBash> eot
Jan 08 21:01:12 <SpekTrumBash> kiikk
Jan 08 21:01:13 <SpekTrumBash> aalgkad
Jan 08 21:01:13 <SpekTrumBash> ga
Jan 08 21:01:13 <SpekTrumBash> g
Jan 08 21:01:15 <SpekTrumBash> adgg
Jan 08 21:01:17 <SpekTrumBash> aa
Jan 08 21:01:19 <SpekTrumBash> dg
Jan 08 21:01:21 <SpekTrumBash> aga
Jan 08 21:01:23 <SpekTrumBash> dg
Jan 08 21:01:25 <SpekTrumBash> ag
Jan 08 21:01:27 <SpekTrumBash> a
Jan 08 21:01:29 <SpekTrumBash> dg
Jan 08 21:01:31 <SpekTrumBash> adg
Jan 08 21:01:32 <dragorn> well that's behaviour you could stop at any time
Jan 08 21:01:33 <SpekTrumBash> adg
Jan 08 21:01:35 <SpekTrumBash> ad
Jan 08 21:01:37 <SpekTrumBash> gad
Jan 08 21:01:39 <SpekTrumBash> g
Jan 08 21:01:41 <SpekTrumBash> adg
Jan 08 21:01:43 <SpekTrumBash> adg
Jan 08 21:01:45 <SpekTrumBash> adg
Jan 08 21:01:47 <SpekTrumBash> adg
Jan 08 21:01:49 <SpekTrumBash> adg
Jan 08 21:01:51 <SpekTrumBash> d
Jan 08 21:01:53 <SpekTrumBash> gj
Jan 08 21:01:55 <SpekTrumBash> j
Jan 08 21:01:57 <SpekTrumBash> dkj
Jan 08 21:01:58 <ustunozgur> astro76: it is this one. works currently.
Jan 08 21:01:59 <SpekTrumBash> hk
Jan 08 21:02:00 <ustunozgur> http://www.amazon.com/Nokia-miniSync-Retractable-Charge-Cable/dp/B000UOO7NW/ref=pd_sim_e_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1199825978&sr=8-1
Jan 08 21:02:01 <SpekTrumBash> fkljlgl
Jan 08 21:02:02 <|tbb|> f*ck off
Jan 08 21:02:03 <SpekTrumBash> g
Jan 08 21:02:05 <SpekTrumBash> jsh
Jan 08 21:02:07 <SpekTrumBash> g
Jan 08 21:02:09 <SpekTrumBash> a
Jan 08 21:02:11 <SpekTrumBash> fgxv
Jan 08 21:02:13 <SpekTrumBash> n
Jan 08 21:02:15 <SpekTrumBash> y
Jan 08 21:02:16 <astro76> /ignore SpekTrumBash
Jan 08 21:02:17 <SpekTrumBash> srbn
Jan 08 21:02:19 <SpekTrumBash> hm
Jan 08 21:02:21 <SpekTrumBash> rsb
Jan 08 21:02:23 <SpekTrumBash> h
Jan 08 21:02:25 <SpekTrumBash> tsgnm
Jan 08 21:02:26 <akv> ignore SpekTrumBash
Jan 08 21:02:27 <SpekTrumBash> yb
Jan 08 21:02:28 <akv> argh
Jan 08 21:02:29 <SpekTrumBash> xf
Jan 08 21:02:30 <Mousey> astro76: i'm SO ahead of you
Jan 08 21:02:31 <SpekTrumBash> bng
Jan 08 21:02:33 <SpekTrumBash> bs
Jan 08 21:02:35 <SpekTrumBash> b
Jan 08 21:02:37 <SpekTrumBash> r
Jan 08 21:02:39 <SpekTrumBash> b
Jan 08 21:02:41 <SpekTrumBash> t
Jan 08 21:02:43 <SpekTrumBash> h
Jan 08 21:02:45 <SpekTrumBash> uk
Jan 08 21:02:47 <SpekTrumBash> imug
Jan 08 21:02:49 <SpekTrumBash> m
Jan 08 21:02:51 <SpekTrumBash> i
Jan 08 21:02:53 <SpekTrumBash> l,m
Jan 08 21:02:55 <SpekTrumBash> b
Jan 08 21:02:57 <SpekTrumBash> v
Jan 08 21:02:59 <SpekTrumBash> a
Jan 08 21:03:01 <SpekTrumBash> a
Jan 08 21:03:03 <SpekTrumBash> c
Jan 08 21:03:05 <SpekTrumBash> SCDV
Jan 08 21:03:07 <SpekTrumBash> BXN
Jan 08 21:03:07 <dragorn> it's almost entertaining, like trying to decipher sanskrit
Jan 08 21:03:09 <SpekTrumBash> BM
Jan 08 21:03:11 <SpekTrumBash> N
Jan 08 21:03:13 <SpekTrumBash> M
Jan 08 21:03:15 <SpekTrumBash> N
Jan 08 21:03:17 <SpekTrumBash> K
Jan 08 21:03:19 <SpekTrumBash> HZ
Jan 08 21:03:21 <SpekTrumBash> K
Jan 08 21:03:23 <SpekTrumBash> N
Jan 08 21:03:25 <SpekTrumBash> VBCHXN
Jan 08 21:03:27 <SpekTrumBash> V
Jan 08 21:03:29 <SpekTrumBash> J
Jan 08 21:03:31 <SpekTrumBash> MH
Jan 08 21:03:33 <SpekTrumBash> SEMI TRUE
Jan 08 21:03:35 <SpekTrumBash> i was hoping more ov a horizontal flood
Jan 08 21:03:37 <jsmith> Shall we try to get an operator to kick him?
Jan 08 21:03:37 <SpekTrumBash> and higher burst speed acuracy
Jan 08 21:03:39 <SpekTrumBash> went all blarm
Jan 08 21:03:41 <SpekTrumBash> * = ?
Jan 08 21:03:43 <SpekTrumBash> define K
Jan 08 21:03:45 <SpekTrumBash> went all blarm'
Jan 08 21:03:47 <SpekTrumBash> blarm
Jan 08 21:03:47 <Cord> my /ignore works.
Jan 08 21:03:48 <Mousey> jsmith: just ignore him
Jan 08 21:03:49 <SpekTrumBash> flaf
Jan 08 21:03:49 <Mousey> yea
Jan 08 21:03:50 <SpekTrumBash> flafl
Jan 08 21:03:54 <Mousey> see?
Jan 08 21:04:22 <dragorn> jsmith: I was just looking for who to bug, actually, but then he went away
Jan 08 21:04:32 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe
Jan 08 21:04:34 <GeneralAntilles>  /stats p
Jan 08 21:04:45 <jsmith> dragorn: Perfect timing, eh?
Jan 08 21:05:10 <dragorn> GeneralAntilles: Ah.  I was checking the freenode site. :P  One of my goals in life is to remain far away from irc nonsense. :P
Jan 08 21:05:30 <GeneralAntilles> Was trying to rouse a staffer in another channel from idling.
Jan 08 21:06:14 <Palintheus> freenode staff isn't added on the access list so they couldn't do anything unless it warrented a kline
Jan 08 21:08:29 <astro76> ustunozgur: yeah that's the one I was thinking of
Jan 08 21:09:01 <|tbb|> dragorn could i ask u something ?
Jan 08 21:09:10 <astro76> ustunozgur: knots shouldn't effect it, sounds like there's a break
Jan 08 21:09:30 <pupnik> knots media server?
Jan 08 21:10:02 <GeneralAntilles> In a cable, pupnik.
Jan 08 21:10:17 * mikem23 is about to flash his n800
Jan 08 21:10:20 <ustunozgur> astro76: I actually don't know. The cable was too long, so I retracted it and then it worked. It had not been working for the last two days.
Jan 08 21:10:26 <mikem23> any advise?
Jan 08 21:10:42 <mikem23> err advice, even?
Jan 08 21:10:52 <GeneralAntilles> Er, backup what you've got and then flash away?
Jan 08 21:11:30 <ustunozgur> astro76: And I pulled out the cable to see whether it works, and I couldn't, happily, reproduce the problem
Jan 08 21:11:53 <mikem23> I used the built in backup, and I don't think I've done anything too major that wouldn't be covered by that.  I'll have to re-root and reinstall a few things
Jan 08 21:14:09 <|tbb|> anyone knows if there is a keyboard reassign gui for n810 out there allready?
Jan 08 21:14:48 <lcuk> tbb ive seen a few ppl using xmodmap and another lower level key mod thing but nothing gui
Jan 08 21:14:56 <lcuk> what you after changing?
Jan 08 21:17:34 * lcuk wants a tab key (will use central d pad click)
Jan 08 21:18:12 <lcuk> tbb - take a look here for some ideas http://www.thisismobility.com/blog/2007/12/31/adding-pipe-and-tab-to-the-n810-keyboard/
Jan 08 21:18:14 <|tbb|> so then i have to use xmodmap also to add tab
Jan 08 21:19:19 <lcuk> this guy used a 2key shift something combo for tab, thats no good for me, but the D pad fire button is about as useful as a chocolate fireguard where it is so it might as well become a tab key
Jan 08 21:20:41 <lcuk> when i started looking last night i couldnt edit the file they mentioned in another post on the same site because i think i need root (/usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr/rx-44)
Jan 08 21:20:52 <|tbb|> i found the keyboard as enter also usefull
Jan 08 21:20:59 <lcuk> http://www.thisismobility.com/blog/2007/12/27/redirection-and-other-characters-on-the-n810/
Jan 08 21:21:12 <lcuk> never touched it
Jan 08 21:21:25 <lcuk> rarely have the kb open unless i am typing
Jan 08 21:21:53 <lcuk> i think its poorly designed and they could have made better use of the space by leaving the D outside
Jan 08 21:22:36 <lcuk> ive seen one with just a nipple outside which looks nice and doesn't waste space
Jan 08 21:22:50 <v-v> Hello, Is there anyone using exaille on os2008? If yes does the volume bar/slider works normally or it just turns the audio on and off near the 50% position?
Jan 08 21:23:16 <|tbb|> lcuk you also could add shortcuts trough bluetooth keyboard shortcuts under control panel
Jan 08 21:23:41 <lcuk> thought that was just for a bt keyboard so ignored it
Jan 08 21:23:54 <lcuk> ill have a tinkle later
Jan 08 21:24:19 * lcuk has lost his 810 to a majong playing goddess
Jan 08 21:24:30 <mikem23> hmm
Jan 08 21:24:46 <Cord> praise your local gods!
Jan 08 21:25:07 <sparrw> im side-grading from a 770 to a gp2x soon.  i wish nokia would realize that even modest gaming-layout controls on a device would double its market.  give me a decent d-pad and a couple of buttons on the other side of the screen!
Jan 08 21:25:22 <pupnik> yaay sparrw
Jan 08 21:25:28 <mikem23> the output of the flash utility looks good, but the tablet does not seem to be rebooting automatically as the doc says
Jan 08 21:25:32 <lcuk> its a bit lat for that sparrw lol
Jan 08 21:25:54 <pupnik> of course the gp2x is useless for web and productive stuff
Jan 08 21:25:55 <lcuk> push for the next model, but youre meant to speak up before they releae it ;)
Jan 08 21:25:59 <mikem23> I got the "Finishing flashing...done" message
Jan 08 21:26:00 <GeneralAntilles> mikem23: did you do -R?
Jan 08 21:26:10 <mikem23> GeneralAntilles, yes
Jan 08 21:26:13 <lcuk> gp2x is same cpu isnt it? except with drivers for the 3d?
Jan 08 21:26:15 <sparrw> pupnik: i disagree, but thats subjective.
Jan 08 21:26:18 <GeneralAntilles> capital R?
Jan 08 21:26:22 <mikem23> yes
Jan 08 21:26:27 <pupnik> no no no, no 3d, older Arm920 cpu
Jan 08 21:26:28 <GeneralAntilles> Dunno
Jan 08 21:26:37 <sparrw> lcuk: gp2x has two older ARM cores.  no 3d hardware, but decent software 3d
Jan 08 21:26:45 <mikem23> safe to reboot manually, you think
Jan 08 21:26:47 <lcuk> fairysnuff
Jan 08 21:26:50 <sparrw> but thats moot.  what it has thats important is a good d-pad and buttons laid out for gaming
Jan 08 21:26:51 <mikem23> I'd hate to brick it
Jan 08 21:26:56 <GeneralAntilles> Probably
Jan 08 21:27:03 <GeneralAntilles> At worst, you'll just have to flash again.
Jan 08 21:27:07 <pupnik> yeah for open-source gaming and emulation gp2x is great sparrw
Jan 08 21:27:12 <sparrw> i can do web and productivity stuff on the gp2x with a little effort.  i cant game on the maemo devices at all
Jan 08 21:27:27 <GeneralAntilles> Getting good Wiimote drivers would be fairly awesome.
Jan 08 21:27:34 <pupnik> oh right, web on a gp2x
Jan 08 21:27:35 <sparrw> i had a gp2x.  ported some games, wrote some demos.  then it got stolen.  getting a new one soon.
Jan 08 21:27:47 <deejoe> any network on that thing?
Jan 08 21:27:51 <lcuk> gen - wiimote is supportable now isnt it?
Jan 08 21:27:55 * lcuk read something
Jan 08 21:28:07 <sparrw> gp2x has unpowered usb host, you can do ethernet or wifi with that and some power
Jan 08 21:28:08 <|tbb|> ive add fn+Enter which poll screen to fullsize and back
Jan 08 21:28:20 <sparrw> it USED to have usbnet client, but thats gone in the new version
Jan 08 21:28:44 <|tbb|> fn+backspace shows  desktop
Jan 08 21:29:24 <lcuk> tbb - is that with the bluetooth editor thing
Jan 08 21:29:29 <lcuk> or xmod?
Jan 08 21:29:39 <|tbb|> ctrl + dpad opens menu
Jan 08 21:29:42 <|tbb|> yeah
Jan 08 21:29:52 <lcuk> cool
Jan 08 21:29:59 <lcuk> will try it
Jan 08 21:30:04 <lcuk> sounds simpler than root and hack
Jan 08 21:30:24 <Tak> sparrw: we could use more emulator and game porters... ;-)
Jan 08 21:30:43 * lcuk vanishes
Jan 08 21:30:49 <lcuk> cyas later and ta for info
Jan 08 21:31:54 <lcuk> jr5k5jjtjfmffhfhrhr5gfgfhgduei4
Jan 08 21:32:27 <lcuk> rhvcvcvxgvfgyryf         rujrhujedhureuyhr4uhrhyrhyfgyyryryryryfhfhnnfnvhcfbvvxgdhfffvn cfncndndndhdhdhdhdhdhdhhdhdhshxgsgdggdggdgggcgdsgdgsgdstddgdhdhddjdhdhdd
Jan 08 21:32:40 <Cord> lcuk: want to be ignored too?
Jan 08 21:32:42 <lcuk> oh god
Jan 08 21:32:42 <|tbb|> hmmh next flooder
Jan 08 21:32:49 <lcuk> sorry... 4 year old
Jan 08 21:33:01 * lcuk dragged him off
Jan 08 21:33:17 <lcuk> he wants to copy his dad :D he was sat on my knee
Jan 08 21:33:26 <Cord> lcuk: send him/her to bed. mine are sleeping too.
Jan 08 21:33:52 <zetheroo> is there a way that I can download maps from Google Street onto my Linux laptop and then transfer them to my N800 for mapper to use?
Jan 08 21:33:58 <lcuk> where do you think i vanished to - its bed time for both of them except one excaped
Jan 08 21:34:09 <zetheroo> cause it takes too bloody long for mapper to download them
Jan 08 21:34:19 <Cord> lcuk :-)
Jan 08 21:34:21 <|tbb|> 4 years old means much older as SpekTrumBash
Jan 08 21:34:43 * lcuk invests in a lasoo
Jan 08 21:34:53 <Tak> railgun works equally well
Jan 08 21:35:05 <lcuk> lol thats a bit messy
Jan 08 21:35:19 <lcuk> anyway, prefer portal gun
Jan 08 21:35:20 <Tak> eh, just turn off the gibs
Jan 08 21:35:28 <zetheroo> anyone?
Jan 08 21:36:09 <Tak> zetheroo: dunno, sorry
Jan 08 21:39:19 <GeneralAntilles> No, not currently, zetheroo.
Jan 08 21:39:24 <sbaturzio> Aloha!
Jan 08 21:39:55 <Tak> buon giorno
Jan 08 21:40:11 <halley> konnichiwa
Jan 08 21:42:22 <ustunozgur> lcuk: i showed the device to my gf for the first time yesterday. she kept playing mahjong for an hour :)
Jan 08 21:43:00 <inz> ustunozgur, don't install sgt-puzzles on it
Jan 08 21:43:02 <Cord> WomanAcceptenceFactor++
Jan 08 21:43:49 <shackan> inz: sgt-puzzles doesn't install for me on 2008
Jan 08 21:43:54 <ustunozgur> lnz: well seeing that she liked the device a lot, I installed all the games I found :)
Jan 08 21:44:02 <inz> shackan, oh, wonder what I've done wrong then...
Jan 08 21:44:17 <ustunozgur> and after that, she asked for an ipod touch :)
Jan 08 21:44:39 <shackan> inz: I'm wondering what *I* did wrong :D
Jan 08 21:45:05 <Tak> hah
Jan 08 21:45:08 <inz> shackan, I mean what I did wrong when making the package, not when installing it ;)
Jan 08 21:45:13 <shackan> oh
Jan 08 21:45:19 <shackan> :)
Jan 08 21:45:42 <halley> ustunozgur, told her that itouch doesn't do that?
Jan 08 21:46:07 <inz> I guess I'll have to charge "my" N800 and see what's wrong with it...
Jan 08 21:46:14 <inz> Well, maybe tomorrow...
Jan 08 21:47:38 <ustunozgur> halley: no :) If I told it, she would take my n800.  the strange thing is, the first time she got hold of it, she asked "does it have multitouch?" :) quite a geeky gf I have.
Jan 08 21:47:39 <zetheroo> GeneralAntilles: but how is it possible in Windows then?
Jan 08 21:48:31 <GeneralAntilles> It's not.
Jan 08 21:48:36 <GeneralAntilles> That was for 1.x
Jan 08 21:48:46 <GeneralAntilles> Which used a folder db for maps
Jan 08 21:48:54 <GeneralAntilles> 2.x uses a real db for maps.
Jan 08 21:48:59 <|tbb|> its multitouch with one hand she can touch n800 the other she can touch you
Jan 08 21:49:01 <halley> ustunozgur, does she know what multitouch really means for an interface?
Jan 08 21:49:40 <ustunozgur> no she just heard iphone had multitouch and it was great :)
Jan 08 21:50:41 <inz> ustun, that sounds totally anti-geeky
Jan 08 21:51:07 <inz> ustun, if a geek heard something they were interested in was "cool", they'd browse 'nuff to get a good grasp of the concept (at least)
Jan 08 21:53:02 <ustunozgur> inz: well not trying to be chauvinistic, it was actually geeky not geek for a woman to ask such a question if her area of interest is not computer related. but then again, I won't say I have bias about my gf.
Jan 08 21:53:16 <ustunozgur> +ve bias that is
Jan 08 21:53:29 <|tbb|> inz do you know how i can control the presence applet from shell for example?
Jan 08 21:53:42 <lcuk> ust, my gf turned her nose up at iphone/pod touch - all because she couldn't type on it - "it doesnt feel right and it keeps gettin it wrong"
Jan 08 21:54:07 <inz> |tbb|, no idea, probably through D-Bus
Jan 08 21:54:25 * Tak try to decide whether to join significant-other-bragathon
Jan 08 21:54:25 <lcuk> her thumbs literally have smoke coming off them when she txts from her phone
Jan 08 21:54:34 <inz> |tbb|, I think it's quite normal telepathy stuff, you could try to see if they provide some nice API
Jan 08 21:54:47 <Cord> lcuk: she's hot? ;-)
Jan 08 21:55:47 <skibur> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=123584#post123584
Jan 08 21:55:55 <skibur> finished with the background
Jan 08 21:56:01 <skibur> let me know what you all think
Jan 08 21:56:12 <lcuk> cord, mind out of the gutter
Jan 08 21:56:58 <lcuk> something tech related - why does internettablettalk (a site designed for talking about/with tablets) have the biggest pictures and graphics of any forum i have ever used?
Jan 08 21:57:20 <Tak> that is a good question
Jan 08 21:57:40 <Tak> this xmas, I was out of town and hit ITT from my 770 - it was painful
Jan 08 21:57:43 <lcuk> i dread clicking onto it
Jan 08 21:58:24 <GeneralAntilles> Classic style
Jan 08 21:58:28 <lcuk> i think even slashdot rendered quicker (sometimes)
Jan 08 21:58:38 <elb> why do forums have graphics
Jan 08 21:58:41 <elb> and why to the SUCK SO BAD
Jan 08 21:59:00 <elb> I could probably come up with a worse format for group discussion if I tried, but it would take me a while
Jan 08 21:59:12 <Tak> yeah, I have classic style, but I have to log in first...
Jan 08 21:59:13 <lcuk> ski
Jan 08 21:59:19 <lcuk> you just made me think of something
Jan 08 21:59:31 <lcuk> my NIT is awful at startup cos its blindingly white
Jan 08 21:59:33 <skibur> nice
Jan 08 21:59:46 <lcuk> do these startups just go in place
Jan 08 21:59:54 <lcuk> would like to change and use yours if thats ok
Jan 08 22:00:05 * lcuk wants less white
Jan 08 22:00:14 <skibur> yeah
Jan 08 22:00:15 <elb> I'm not sure how I came up with "to the" out of "do they"
Jan 08 22:00:17 <skibur> go for it
Jan 08 22:00:57 <skibur> I did notice something a while ago
Jan 08 22:01:07 <lcuk> elb - are you typing on 810 builtin kb?
Jan 08 22:01:13 <elb> haha, no
Jan 08 22:01:17 <elb> that would be a good excuse ;-)
Jan 08 22:01:21 <lcuk> lol im awful when im on mine
Jan 08 22:01:33 <lcuk> i try my damndest to touchtype
Jan 08 22:01:44 <elb> my N810 is in some retailer's warehouse waiting for my discount code to activate :-P
Jan 08 22:01:51 <lcuk> ahhh
Jan 08 22:01:56 * lcuk paid full whack
Jan 08 22:02:11 <skibur> I haven't really spent time looking for the Big Nokia logo at boot
Jan 08 22:02:15 <elb> I'm too poor for that jazz ;-)
Jan 08 22:02:35 <lcuk> thankfully tho it didnt feel like it - my boss gave me an xmas bonus just after nokia released
Jan 08 22:02:40 <Tak> that's why you're using yours now, and all the devs are like, "Really?  My package doesn't work?  Here, try now."
Jan 08 22:02:41 <elb> I'd be getting an 800 if I had to pay myself, $240 or whatever they're down to is rather attractive
Jan 08 22:02:45 <lcuk> it just covered it nicely :)
Jan 08 22:04:30 <lcuk> where have they released so far
Jan 08 22:04:33 <lcuk> is it worldwide
Jan 08 22:04:44 <elb> more or less, as best I can tell
Jan 08 22:04:44 <lcuk> or creeping eastwards
Jan 08 22:05:04 <elb> the list of shops in which the discount codes work covered a lot of Europe, anyway
Jan 08 22:05:15 <lcuk> thats good enough then
Jan 08 22:05:19 <elb> I read it very carefully to make sure I wasn't missing the US ;-)
Jan 08 22:05:25 <elb> and I know it's for sale in the US, and has been for some time
Jan 08 22:06:00 <lcuk> yer i drooled - but arent nokia in norway or finland or something like that
Jan 08 22:06:21 * TakMibbit stabs wifi connection
Jan 08 22:06:39 <lcuk> OMG Tak
Jan 08 22:06:45 <elb> finland
Jan 08 22:06:47 <lcuk> you just cut off the whole of America
Jan 08 22:07:04 <TakMibbit> sweet
Jan 08 22:07:10 <elb> I don't understand
Jan 08 22:07:17 <TakMibbit> it's ok; I'm out of wifi spray anyway
Jan 08 22:07:20 <sparrw> Tak: tell nokia to develop a gaming device.  im starting from scratch on my gp2x port of Enigma, submitting patches to the main tree so ANY console can run it.
Jan 08 22:07:38 <TakMibbit> heh
Jan 08 22:08:20 <lcuk> i remember once we had this great little firefox applet which allowed you to delete parts of a page
Jan 08 22:08:29 <lcuk> i let the missus take out most of slashdot
Jan 08 22:08:52 <lcuk> she looked genuinely shocked when i said shes just deleted it for everyone in the world
Jan 08 22:08:56 <TakMibbit> we have been telling them; they just don't listen
Jan 08 22:08:57 <TakMibbit> greasemonkey?
Jan 08 22:08:58 <p|> hei penguinbait , what about to port also this to your kde prj ? : http://edu.kde.org/kstars/
Jan 08 22:08:59 <p|> :)
Jan 08 22:10:07 <lcuk> no, "nuke anything"
Jan 08 22:12:35 * lcuk gettin back to python
Jan 08 22:13:11 <sparrw> lcuk: you can do that with firebug
Jan 08 22:14:04 <sibbe> http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/jvtmuukk/chinook/bootchart/bootchart-n800-os2008-003-mmc_with_bsd_process_accounting_and_diskstats.png same bootchart data as yesterday but now with memory card diskstats
Jan 08 22:14:08 <lcuk> ive not wanted it since - it went when i upgraded to v2 and ive not missed it so its not goin back in
Jan 08 22:17:45 <lcuk> sibbe, i saw that yesterday this is running on the device isnt it, and i am constantly amazed at just how many parts go together to produce a working system
Jan 08 22:17:46 <p|> sibbe, how have you created those stats ?
Jan 08 22:18:12 <bill2or3> that's a pretty cool chart.
Jan 08 22:18:37 <sibbe> p|, with modified initfs which launches bootchartd
Jan 08 22:18:55 <sibbe> and bootchartd is a modified version of the original too (google litebootchart)
Jan 08 22:19:10 <sibbe> + it doesn't work quite right, so some manual stuff is needed also
Jan 08 22:19:25 <lcuk> im goin again for proper now
Jan 08 22:19:30 <sibbe> and the rendering part is done with the stock bootchart java program
Jan 08 22:19:50 <sibbe> well umm i had to patch that too to make it render mmcblk stats
Jan 08 22:19:57 <p|> wow
Jan 08 22:20:06 <p|> well done
Jan 08 22:20:43 <sibbe> that same http dir has the patches, bootchart.org is the original and http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Alessandro for litebootchart
Jan 08 22:22:06 <TakMibbit> looks nice
Jan 08 22:22:25 <sibbe> i'm working on a cleaner implementation of the logger daemon and it's startup script.. it has some dead sh code, signal trapping doesn't work and so on
Jan 08 22:23:24 <sibbe> the graph generator also gets a bit confused since there are two "init" processes with pid 1 :)
Jan 08 22:23:46 <sibbe> initfs/init -> rootfs/sbin/bootchart ->  rootfs/sbin/init
Jan 08 22:24:56 <Mousey> ..you can change the startup screen?? is it like splash.xpm or sometihng?
Jan 08 22:25:02 <sibbe> also there's some magic signaling between init.d scripts and the dsme daemon
Jan 08 22:25:12 <sibbe> mousey, i think it's a png image
Jan 08 22:25:45 <sibbe> check /etc/init.d/fb-progress.sh
Jan 08 22:38:31 <Nichod_> Anyone know of a GOOD document/html/css/xml editor that works on n800 OS2008?
Jan 08 22:39:51 <Mousey> hey uh
Jan 08 22:40:02 <Mousey> any way to get pygame to run in fullscreen on the n810?"
Jan 08 22:40:06 <lardman> I don't suppose anyone knows what's going on in _make_words() in the Tremor codebooks.c code?
Jan 08 22:40:55 <__Nikos__> is there a bluetooth headset for n800 os2007?
Jan 08 22:41:09 <lardman> there are a variety
Jan 08 22:41:57 <__Nikos__> lardman: is there an official by Nokia?
Jan 08 22:42:17 <lardman> __Nikos__: not that I know of
Jan 08 22:42:37 <lardman> __Nikos__: you want a mono headset or stereo for music?
Jan 08 22:43:28 <__Nikos__> lardman: i dont mind. But i want to have a good mic
Jan 08 22:43:47 <lardman> __Nikos__: so it's not for listening to music then
Jan 08 22:44:05 <__Nikos__> yes
Jan 08 22:44:07 <lardman> mono are headset profile, stereo are mainly a2dp
Jan 08 22:44:33 <lardman> any one ought to work as long as it supports the headset profile, you'll have to see what people think of the mics I suppose
Jan 08 22:44:43 <Mousey> wth is codepage cp1250 and why is my n810 set to it?!
Jan 08 22:45:27 <__Nikos__> so you cannot recommend A SPECIFIC ONE?
Jan 08 22:45:39 <lardman> no, sorry
Jan 08 22:45:42 * Mousey recommends the Jawbone
Jan 08 22:46:02 <__Nikos__> ok thanks anyway
Jan 08 22:46:03 * Mousey insists it's the best ear piece on the market
Jan 08 22:46:43 <derf> lardman: It's implementing http://www.xiph.org/vorbis/doc/Vorbis_I_spec.html#id258959
Jan 08 22:47:08 <lardman> derf: thanks
Jan 08 22:48:07 <lardman> of 42 entries, the first 17 (iirc) are handled correctly then it falls over with _make_words: Overpopulated tree
Jan 08 22:48:23 <Ward1983> i'm following this tutorial to get hildon built on my pda http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HildonDesktopPortability
Jan 08 22:48:38 <lardman> entries/books
Jan 08 22:48:50 <Ward1983> but the first command allready causes trouble
Jan 08 22:49:22 <Ward1983> no candidates found for: xlibs-dev and dbus-glib-1-dev
Jan 08 22:49:30 <Ward1983> any ideas?
Jan 08 22:49:56 <lardman> you running ubuntu?
Jan 08 22:50:04 <Ward1983> debian
Jan 08 22:50:08 <Ward1983> stable
Jan 08 22:50:35 <lardman> presumably you can find something that matches xlibs-dev?
Jan 08 22:50:47 <lardman> or if not matches, looks like it does the same job
Jan 08 22:51:05 <Ward1983> normally i use synaptic, i'm not very handy with apt commands other then apt-get install and uninstall
Jan 08 22:51:23 <lardman> apt-cache search xlib
Jan 08 22:51:31 <Ward1983> thanx
Jan 08 22:51:39 <lardman> where the bold xlib has asterix on both sides
Jan 08 22:51:41 <TakMibbit> you should be able to search for 'xlibs' in synaptic as well
Jan 08 22:51:43 * Ward1983 saves that command in his usefull commands txt file
Jan 08 22:52:03 <Ward1983> TakMibbit, screen is a bit small for synaptic
Jan 08 22:52:10 * lardman hopes he gave the right command in that case :)
Jan 08 22:52:11 <Ward1983> (tis vga though)
Jan 08 22:52:15 <TakMibbit> oh, I see
Jan 08 22:52:19 <Ward1983> and i'm SSHing :-)
Jan 08 22:52:23 <TakMibbit>  /on/ your pda
Jan 08 22:52:25 <Ward1983> much faster typing
Jan 08 22:52:50 <Ward1983> yep, pda
Jan 08 22:55:14 <Ward1983> all that i can find that looks like it is "xlibs-static-dev - transitional metapackage"
Jan 08 22:57:44 <Ward1983> if i do the same with dbus-glib it only returns lib packages
Jan 08 22:58:55 <TakMibbit> hmm, etch might be too old
Jan 08 23:00:02 <Ward1983> TakMibbit, my ubuntu feisty desktop also only returns lib packages
Jan 08 23:01:32 <TakMibbit> hmm - try xorg-dev
Jan 08 23:02:12 <Ward1983> looking for xorg-dev ?
Jan 08 23:02:16 <TakMibbit> and libdbus-glib1-dev
Jan 08 23:02:27 <Ward1983> just install those?
Jan 08 23:02:42 <TakMibbit> they seem to be the newer equivalents
Jan 08 23:03:08 <Ward1983> how do you know that? i want to be able to find that out myself next tuime so i don't need to bother people for it :p
Jan 08 23:03:55 <TakMibbit> I searched packages.debian.org for xlibs-dev, xorg, and dbus-glib
Jan 08 23:04:20 <TakMibbit> and it showed me that xlibs-dev only exists in sarge and older distributions
Jan 08 23:04:27 <TakMibbit> ditto dbus-glib-1-dev
Jan 08 23:04:37 <Ward1983> nice to know :-)
Jan 08 23:05:51 <Ward1983> now another thing: i allready got matchbox installed, does that mather much?
Jan 08 23:07:13 <Ward1983> (and i didn't build it, i apt-get install ed it
Jan 08 23:09:30 <Ward1983> and libdbus-glib1-dev does not exist here :s
Jan 08 23:10:00 <TakMibbit> I think I missed a hyphen: libdbus-glib-1-dev
Jan 08 23:10:47 <Ward1983> yep taht one is there and was allready installed :-)
Jan 08 23:11:23 <Ward1983> does it mather that i allready got matchbox?
Jan 08 23:11:43 * TakMibbit shrugs
Jan 08 23:12:48 <Ward1983> stupid question?
Jan 08 23:16:42 <Ward1983> TakMibbit, so it mathers, should i first uninstall it and then reinstall it from source?
Jan 08 23:17:20 <TakMibbit> I have no idea if it matters
Jan 08 23:17:49 <Ward1983> TakMibbit, ah ok, then i'll just try it with my current matchbox :-)
Jan 08 23:18:24 <Ward1983> thanx for the info so far
Jan 08 23:20:37 <TakMibbit> are you creating a distributable build environment, or what?
Jan 08 23:21:07 <Ward1983> nope, just trying to get hildon to work on my pda
Jan 08 23:21:11 <Ward1983> just experimenting
Jan 08 23:21:37 <Ward1983> (but offcourse i will post on the forum if i get it compiled and working)
Jan 08 23:22:01 <Ward1983> there's a forum for the linux port for my pda :-)
Jan 08 23:22:36 <TakMibbit> you're not actually building the packages /on/ the pda, are you?
Jan 08 23:23:17 <Ward1983> i'm gonna crosscompile, but first i'm installing the necessery debs
Jan 08 23:23:33 <Ward1983> then i'll try to find out how to crosscompile :-)
Jan 08 23:23:34 * TakMibbit nods
Jan 08 23:23:52 <Ward1983> i've read a bit about it but not much, what do you recommend?
Jan 08 23:25:31 <Ward1983> and the build-deps and packages need to be installed on the PDA anyway right?
Jan 08 23:26:14 <TakMibbit> whee
Jan 08 23:26:22 <Jon> someone has deleted /documentation/tutorials/maemo_4-0_tutorial.html
Jan 08 23:27:05 <Jon> /documentation/ in it's entirety in fact
Jan 08 23:27:55 <TakMibbit> that's fantastic
Jan 08 23:28:11 <Ward1983> someone probably has a backup locally
Jan 08 23:28:17 <Jon> not for me I haven't memorized /documentation/ yet :P
Jan 08 23:28:30 <Ward1983> what was the full URL please?
Jan 08 23:28:37 <Ward1983> maybe i know a solution :-)
Jan 08 23:29:06 <Jon> http://maemo.org/documentation/tutorials/maemo_4-0_tutorial.html
Jan 08 23:29:15 * Ward1983 looks
Jan 08 23:29:53 <TakMibbit> perhaps http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/maemo_4-0_tutorial.html
Jan 08 23:30:12 <Jon> yes that works
Jan 08 23:30:17 <Jon> the link at /development/ is to /documentation
Jan 08 23:30:17 <TakMibbit> would be nice if there were a redirect, though
Jan 08 23:30:21 <Jon> thanks :)
Jan 08 23:30:22 <Jon> yes
Jan 08 23:30:25 <Ward1983> damn its not in archive.org lol
Jan 08 23:30:36 <Ward1983> various parts of the site but not the docs lol
Jan 08 23:30:57 <Ward1983> ah lol solved :-)
Jan 08 23:31:30 <dospod> anybody gotten phonelink on os2008 to work
Jan 08 23:31:47 <Ward1983> what do you recommend to crosscompile?
Jan 08 23:32:22 <TakMibbit> I have no idea; isn't there a standard crosscompilation setup for linux on your pda?
Jan 08 23:32:52 <Ward1983> there are several progs that crosscompile as far as i remember
Jan 08 23:33:02 <Ward1983> i was hoping someone here could recommend me one :-)
Jan 08 23:33:55 <TakMibbit> mmm...usually they're pretty specific to the target device...
Jan 08 23:34:09 <Ward1983> several for PDA i mean
Jan 08 23:34:23 <Ward1983> i'll just use the one someone from our forum uses
Jan 08 23:34:25 <TakMibbit> sure, but "pda" is a very generic term
Jan 08 23:34:31 <TakMibbit> that's probably best
Jan 08 23:34:34 <Ward1983> xscale pocketpc's :p
Jan 08 23:34:43 <Ward1983> pxa272 :p
Jan 08 23:34:54 <dospod> Has anybody gotten phonelink to work on os2008?
Jan 08 23:35:00 <Jon> can anyone tell me what libpweditor is
Jan 08 23:35:06 <Jon> or libpweditor-plus for that matter
Jan 08 23:36:38 <TakMibbit> no idea
Jan 08 23:36:50 <TakMibbit> for both of the above questions ;-)
Jan 08 23:40:40 <Jon> heh thanks anyway
Jan 08 23:40:59 <Jon> 0- line README and AUTHORS in SVN; no homepage; somehow related to maemopad+, but I can't get that or those to build off my n800
Jan 08 23:41:43 <|tbb|> any mp3 tag editor out for os2008
Jan 08 23:42:33 <skibur> anybody know the image file name when the Nokia tablet displays during power off?
Jan 08 23:45:33 <Ward1983> hmmm i seem to have trouble with tetex-bin
Jan 08 23:45:33 * Ward1983 pastebins
Jan 08 23:45:34 <Ward1983> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51274/
Jan 08 23:45:35 <Ward1983> damnit tetex-bin is not installed
Jan 08 23:45:52 <Ward1983> and all stuff depending on it is not isntalled either offcourse...
Jan 08 23:51:28 <derf> skibur: /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/hildon/qgn_indi_startup_nokia_logo.png
Jan 08 23:51:43 <skibur> hum...
Jan 08 23:51:48 <skibur> that is so weird
Jan 08 23:52:40 <TakMibbit> ooo
Jan 08 23:52:40 <skibur> because I have already changed it.   It start off with the image I replaced, but when I shut off, it displays the old one.
Jan 08 23:53:08 <derf> There's at least three.
Jan 08 23:53:09 <TakMibbit> part of the initfs?
Jan 08 23:53:14 <TakMibbit> ah
Jan 08 23:53:32 <skibur> derf, has that happen to you?
Jan 08 23:53:36 <derf> qgn_indi_nokia_hands.jpg in the same directory is the second one it displays while booting.
Jan 08 23:53:56 <derf> And there's another one on the initfs somewhere that gets displayed when you're in R&D mode.
Jan 08 23:54:01 <skibur> yeah, I know that
Jan 08 23:54:02 <derf> (on startup)
Jan 08 23:54:10 <skibur> hum...
Jan 08 23:54:29 <derf> But those two are the only ones I've touched, and I've never had your problem.
Jan 08 23:55:00 <|tbb|> derf is it possible to replace the very first one, i was never able to change that
Jan 08 23:55:12 <skibur> o ok, are you booting from SD card?
Jan 08 23:55:17 <skibur> or flash?
Jan 08 23:55:17 <derf> |tbb|: Presumably if you edit and re-flash the initfs.
Jan 08 23:55:29 <derf> That was too much work, though.
Jan 08 23:55:48 <|tbb|> dunno howto do it
Jan 08 23:56:05 <inz> If I'm not totally wrong, there's a very first one coming from the bootloader
Jan 08 23:56:10 <inz> not sure though
Jan 08 23:56:12 <derf> A small Nokia logo is not too bothersome... it's just the gay hands image that bugs me.
Jan 08 23:56:35 <skibur> did you see my startup?
Jan 08 23:56:44 <derf> No.
Jan 08 23:56:45 <skibur> anybody seen it?
Jan 08 23:57:12 <TakMibbit> "omg they're holding hands!"
Jan 08 23:57:20 <Ward1983> any ideas? i keep getting the same errors
Jan 08 23:57:36 <|tbb|> inz bootloader change isnt possible?
Jan 08 23:57:47 <elb> he's afraid he'll catch the gay from the hands
Jan 08 23:57:48 <elb> obviously
Jan 08 23:58:49 <TakMibbit> who knows where those hands have been?
Jan 08 23:59:37 <skibur> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=123584#post123584
Jan 08 23:59:55 <|tbb|> anyone knows if there is a mp3tag editor for os2008 out
Jan 09 00:00:39 <TakMibbit> dunno
Jan 09 00:01:02 <Ward1983> lol this is definitely the worst howto i ever folloxed
Jan 09 00:01:09 <derf> elb: I am. It's contagious.
Jan 09 00:01:27 <elb> |tbb|: keep asking
Jan 09 00:01:41 <Ward1983> http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HildonDesktopPortability <- not working on debian
Jan 09 00:01:51 <Ward1983> not even remotely
Jan 09 00:02:28 <TakMibbit> it's just old
Jan 09 00:02:44 <skibur> I just finished it today
Jan 09 00:03:05 <derf> skibur: I made mine out of this T-shirt: http://www.printfection.com/xiphmont/XiphOrg-Evolution-of-the-Fish/_p_678667
Jan 09 00:03:24 <Ward1983> lol well, if things keep going like this, nobody is ever gonna use hildon on a device thats not nokia
Jan 09 00:03:31 <Ward1983> keep it up is what i would say
Jan 09 00:03:52 <skibur> :)
Jan 09 00:03:55 * Ward1983 tries to clean up the crap
Jan 09 00:04:50 <skibur> derf, you said something about initfs
Jan 09 00:05:00 <TakMibbit> I have to say, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=122065&postcount=30 is my favorite so far
Jan 09 00:05:25 <crafton> hi here.. a quick question? is possible to play from daap-servers, maybe installing avahi-utils would the MediaPlayer enable it?
Jan 09 00:06:11 <|tbb|> tak thats a nice one
Jan 09 00:06:36 <TakMibbit> bon nuit a tous
Jan 09 00:06:49 <skibur> nice
Jan 09 00:07:35 * Ward1983 forgets about this crap and reinstalls debian
Jan 09 00:09:00 <Ward1983> why is that stupid tutorial there if it does not work?
Jan 09 00:09:14 <Ward1983> who do i need to talk to to get it out of there or improved?
Jan 09 00:12:39 <|tbb|> anyone tried maemomm-booster it says it boost the load time of hildon apps
Jan 09 00:13:28 <Ward1983> ok then just leave it online and frustrate some more people
Jan 09 00:15:19 <inz> |tbb|, it boosts the startup times of gtkmm and hildonmm programs
Jan 09 00:15:45 <|tbb|> for example
Jan 09 00:16:06 <inz> tbb, don't know any
Jan 09 00:16:13 <|tbb|> lol
Jan 09 00:16:31 <inz> tbb, but it's just a "addon" to maemo-launcher, which is normally used for most of the built-in programs
Jan 09 00:16:44 <inz> tbb, and it boosts the startup speed of normal gtk/hildon programs
Jan 09 00:16:55 <|tbb|> do u got it installed
Jan 09 00:17:19 <inz> tbb, maemomm-booster?
Jan 09 00:17:28 <|tbb|> right
Jan 09 00:18:06 <inz> tbb, no, I don't know any programs that would benefit from it, so I kind of don't need it ;)
Jan 09 00:18:58 <inz> tbb, it would only eat some extra memory (and thus decreasing performance)
Jan 09 00:20:19 <inz> But if you have gtkmm/maemomm programs, then it should make program star up snappier (and save memory if there are more than one such programs running)
Jan 09 00:20:45 <|tbb|> we will see
Jan 09 00:22:56 <CrashandDie> so, I wanted to know
Jan 09 00:22:58 <CrashandDie> on the n810
Jan 09 00:23:06 <CrashandDie> maemo mapper, does it work in the whole world ?
Jan 09 00:26:52 <inz> Crash, no, only where you have internet connectivity ^^
Jan 09 00:27:40 <CrashandDie> ok, and how about the "real" gps utility ?
Jan 09 00:27:46 <CrashandDie> Now where I can download maps ?
Jan 09 00:28:02 <Sho_> Cord: So, did you order despite the full price discount bug or are you waiting?
Jan 09 00:28:18 <Mousey> hi
Jan 09 00:28:26 <Mousey> is there any way to do sftp:// or fish:// with maemo?
Jan 09 00:28:33 <Mousey> i mean, short of installing konqueror
Jan 09 00:28:52 <Mousey> hmm, scp i suppose
Jan 09 00:28:56 <Mousey> still
Jan 09 00:28:58 <Mousey> =/
Jan 09 00:30:42 <inz> Mousey, not quite sure, but it actually might be possible, you just can't enter the url anywhere =)
Jan 09 00:33:27 <Mousey> inz: it'd be nice if the FM did it..
Jan 09 00:33:45 <Mousey> but i guess i'm stuck with rsync.. OH.. there's a graphical rsync! i'll have to try that
Jan 09 00:34:36 <jott> Sho_: i ordered anyway. we'll see what happens.
Jan 09 00:35:11 <Sho_> guess so
Jan 09 00:43:26 <|tbb|> inz: still there
Jan 09 00:46:31 <|tbb|> ssh config on n810    ForwardAgent yes        ForwardX11 yes   ForwardX11Trusted yes
Jan 09 00:46:57 <yabbas> penguinbait: you here mate? :)
Jan 09 00:47:07 <penguinbait> :)
Jan 09 00:47:26 <halley> tbb, that's to run X11 apps on the Nokia from an X11 on your PC?
Jan 09 00:47:50 <penguinbait> whats up yabbas?
Jan 09 00:48:09 <yabbas> penguinbait: just saw the kde.deb post ;)  wanted to add that you could automate the removal of user ALL = (ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL using sed.
Jan 09 00:48:23 <|tbb|> logged in  with ssh -X root@n810  starting maemo-summoner browser wont work
Jan 09 00:48:41 <penguinbait> yes I could do it with grep -v also ;)
Jan 09 00:48:44 <|tbb|> halley want to run apps from maemo at my desktop, dunno how
Jan 09 00:49:18 <yabbas> penguinbait: wanted to know why you didn't...and also - if reinstalling kde from the deb, would re-add the line in sudoers.
Jan 09 00:49:29 <penguinbait> yes it will
Jan 09 00:49:44 <penguinbait> but it wont hurt anything
Jan 09 00:49:46 <unique311> penguinbait, the kde guy?
Jan 09 00:49:59 <penguinbait> unless you do it 50 time or something :(
Jan 09 00:50:09 <penguinbait> heh
Jan 09 00:50:12 <unique311> you think we can get the GNOME anytime soon.
Jan 09 00:50:24 <penguinbait> I started with gnome
Jan 09 00:50:32 <yabbas> I did wonder :)
Jan 09 00:50:51 * yabbas adds the line meeellions of times over to see what would happen
Jan 09 00:51:31 * yabbas doesn't really
Jan 09 00:51:40 <penguinbait> KDE is totally separate from maemo based OS
Jan 09 00:52:01 <penguinbait> maemo based OS uses gtk which dictates what gnome you run
Jan 09 00:52:20 <penguinbait> I just did not have good luck with
Jan 09 00:53:21 <penguinbait> yabbas, I think I did not remove it from sudoers is because I was scared
Jan 09 00:53:33 <penguinbait> to answer your question ;)
Jan 09 00:53:48 <yabbas> lol, I know the feeling
Jan 09 00:54:42 <penguinbait> I did reinstall in several times over on my system and had about 9 of them in there with no issues
Jan 09 00:55:10 <yabbas> I still can't get xinput working with other devices; and I'm wondering whether I ought to send an email out to maemo-dev, or email dan the Xomap man directly.
Jan 09 00:55:56 <penguinbait> is xinput the software?
Jan 09 00:56:07 <penguinbait> what do you mean
Jan 09 00:56:25 <penguinbait> X input
Jan 09 00:56:32 <yabbas> naw, it's the input spec for X.  I think they hardwired the touchscreen lib into K-drive.
Jan 09 00:56:40 <penguinbait> ah
Jan 09 00:57:31 <penguinbait> so the buttons are not working? but its connected
Jan 09 00:57:33 <yabbas> there's stuff in there about ignoring mouse0; evdev doesn't seem to detect any other pointers - xsetpointer lists all the devices but no extra mouse devices, yadda yadda
Jan 09 00:57:37 <penguinbait> you need to map them?
Jan 09 00:57:46 <yabbas> buttons are working well :) just mouse isn't working
Jan 09 00:58:07 <penguinbait> hmmm, mouse?
Jan 09 00:58:12 <yabbas> once you connect the device, onscreen keyboard stops working
Jan 09 00:58:28 <yabbas> aye - still going on about using the wiimote as a mouse :)
Jan 09 00:58:48 <penguinbait> how to move mouse, dpad?
Jan 09 00:59:00 <yabbas> nope, just wave it about in front or an IR source :D
Jan 09 00:59:19 <yabbas> (there is a plugin that uses the nunchuck analogue stick)
Jan 09 00:59:26 <penguinbait> or, you dont need ir for it to work?
Jan 09 00:59:59 <yabbas> depends how you want to use it - if you want motion detection you can set it to detect ir and track movement that way.
Jan 09 01:00:18 <yabbas> unfortunately I can't "plug in the device driver" ...
Jan 09 01:00:53 <penguinbait> hmm, I have been meaning to test, but can you turn the keyboard back on manually?
Jan 09 01:01:12 <yabbas> you'll have to explain how to do that :)
Jan 09 01:01:23 <penguinbait> 1 sec
Jan 09 01:01:44 <penguinbait> not sure if it is software turning off or inputs getting stolen
Jan 09 01:02:26 <penguinbait> etc/osso-af-init/keyboard.sh start
Jan 09 01:02:28 <penguinbait> I mean
Jan 09 01:02:36 <yabbas> not tried it :) lemme see if I can
Jan 09 01:02:57 <penguinbait> I been meaning to I need to fix it for joystick support also
Jan 09 01:03:34 <CrashandDie> hmm
Jan 09 01:03:38 <CrashandDie> question
Jan 09 01:03:58 <CrashandDie> is the aircrack suite ported to os2008 ?
Jan 09 01:05:43 <yabbas> penguinbait: nope...doesn't work
Jan 09 01:05:53 <penguinbait> bah
Jan 09 01:06:10 <penguinbait> do you have 810?
Jan 09 01:06:24 <yabbas> not yet :( it's ordered already but waiting for it to arrive
Jan 09 01:06:38 <penguinbait> I am still waiting for news :(
Jan 09 01:06:49 <yabbas> news?  you have a discount code donchya?
Jan 09 01:06:59 <penguinbait> I am wondering if I have a 810, do I care if onscreen keyboard does not work :)
Jan 09 01:07:21 <penguinbait> the USA was not mentioned in the email
Jan 09 01:07:37 <yabbas> I thought you were in the uk :)  [doh]
Jan 09 01:07:37 <penguinbait> at least Canada got a shout ouy ;)
Jan 09 01:07:42 <penguinbait> at least Canada got a shout out ;)
Jan 09 01:07:48 <yabbas> heheh
Jan 09 01:08:41 <yabbas> I'm wondering whether the onboard keyboard gets disabled too.
Jan 09 01:08:43 <|tbb|> CrashandDie: ive seen it add mulliner to your repositiory, but what you want with that suite
Jan 09 01:08:59 <yabbas> Do you have a bluetooth keyboard?  When it's paired - does it disable onscreen kb?
Jan 09 01:09:04 <CrashandDie> |tbb|, use it ?
Jan 09 01:09:30 <penguinbait> I have not tested in 2008 but it always did
Jan 09 01:09:37 <yabbas> CrashandDie: afaik the wireless connects for a while, then disconnects
Jan 09 01:09:54 <CrashandDie> yabbas, wut ?
Jan 09 01:10:07 <yabbas> penguinbait: I half wonder whether it's a k-drive input device limit :(
Jan 09 01:10:09 <|tbb|> n8xx doesnt support packet injection
Jan 09 01:10:19 <CrashandDie> oh really ?
Jan 09 01:10:23 <CrashandDie> hmm, that's too bad
Jan 09 01:10:32 <yabbas> CrashandDie: aircrack suite; from the stuff I've read it appears to have wifi driver issues
Jan 09 01:11:07 <|tbb|> yabbas. ive tested kismet with n810 and it collects data about 3.5 hours. may anything has changed
Jan 09 01:11:29 <CrashandDie> oh well, I'll have to take a look at that
Jan 09 01:11:42 <CrashandDie> what chipset is the wifi in the n8xx ?
Jan 09 01:11:52 <|tbb|> prism
Jan 09 01:11:54 <yabbas> |tbb|: don't know tbh - I've not done testing.  Seems such a shame really; it's the perfect intrusion security device :)
Jan 09 01:13:01 <yabbas> penguinbait: http://wearables.unisa.edu.au/mpx/  seems to imply patches are required for multi device input.  Whether that means multiple devices work concurrently in X atm or something else I don't know.
Jan 09 01:13:46 <penguinbait> yabbas basically its a joystick right?
Jan 09 01:14:01 <yabbas> penguinbait: it's 2 devices.  a joystick and a keyboard
Jan 09 01:14:06 <yabbas> gah
Jan 09 01:14:07 <yabbas> I mean
Jan 09 01:14:20 <yabbas> a keyboard, joystick and mouse!
Jan 09 01:14:32 <penguinbait> hehe
Jan 09 01:14:52 <penguinbait> all that and you need the onscreen keyboard?
Jan 09 01:14:56 <yabbas> lol
Jan 09 01:14:57 <penguinbait> just kidding
Jan 09 01:15:00 <yabbas> Nokia-N800-50-2:/usr/local/lib# ./xsetpointer -l
Jan 09 01:15:01 <yabbas> 0: "Virtual core keyboard"      [XKeyboard]
Jan 09 01:15:01 <yabbas> 1: "Virtual core pointer"       [XPointer]
Jan 09 01:15:01 <yabbas> 2: "TSC2301 touchscreen"        [XExtensionPointer]
Jan 09 01:15:01 <yabbas> 3: "Internal keypad"    [XExtensionKeyboard]
Jan 09 01:15:01 <yabbas> 4: "Nintendo Wiimote"   [XExtensionKeyboard]
Jan 09 01:15:56 <penguinbait> hmmm
Jan 09 01:16:35 <yabbas> I _think_ the only reason it doesn't detect other XPointers is down to a patch in K-Drive that ignores mouse0.
Jan 09 01:16:56 <penguinbait> I just got a bluetooth mouse in the mail today
Jan 09 01:17:03 <yabbas> try it now :)
Jan 09 01:17:04 <penguinbait> hoping to get it working
Jan 09 01:17:11 <penguinbait> its charging
Jan 09 01:17:15 <yabbas> doh
Jan 09 01:17:30 <penguinbait> it came with batteries, they were dead
Jan 09 01:17:56 <yabbas> logitech?  or no name?
Jan 09 01:18:14 <megabyte405_> CrashandDie: It's  CXsomething or other, TI integrated.  No open source driver
Jan 09 01:18:38 <CrashandDie> yabbas & |tbb|: the wifi chipset is CX3110X from connexant or something
Jan 09 01:19:22 <yabbas> CrashandDie: yup
Jan 09 01:19:31 <penguinbait> targus
Jan 09 01:19:40 <penguinbait> 29$
Jan 09 01:20:03 <penguinbait> it was hard to find a bluetooth mouse, I had to order online
Jan 09 01:20:21 <penguinbait> everything is 2.4ghz now
Jan 09 01:20:29 <penguinbait> mice anyway
Jan 09 01:20:35 * yabbas nods
Jan 09 01:21:45 <yabbas> 1:30am and I'm hungry :(
Jan 09 01:22:17 <penguinbait> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4632
Jan 09 01:22:21 <|tbb|> oh yes i was wrong cx3110x-module-src_2.0.14-2.tar.gz but i think the core part is closed source
Jan 09 01:22:26 <yabbas> *click*
Jan 09 01:22:29 <penguinbait> there was some old gnome on maemo
Jan 09 01:23:25 <yabbas> I remember that :)
Jan 09 01:23:36 <yabbas> what were the problems with it?
Jan 09 01:24:07 <penguinbait> I am clueless :)
Jan 09 01:24:30 <penguinbait> I am not a developer, I am a unix admin
Jan 09 01:24:52 <penguinbait> I can scripts the crap out of anything, compile software,like thats hard
Jan 09 01:25:03 <CrashandDie> I guess I'll be looking into the packet injection thingy later on, once I actually have the tablet hands on
Jan 09 01:25:09 <penguinbait> but if it aint working pretty much out of the box,I am done :)
Jan 09 01:25:54 <yabbas> lol - I'm the other way round.  Don't understand the system structure whatsoever, don't know how to install and configure it, but I can code for it :D
Jan 09 01:25:59 <penguinbait> KDE is just ./configure, make, make install repeat 100 times :)
Jan 09 01:26:10 <yabbas> I remember when you told me :D
Jan 09 01:26:12 <CrashandDie> anyway, thanks for the support
Jan 09 01:26:17 * yabbas couldn't believe it
Jan 09 01:26:33 <CrashandDie> one last question, I got my n810 overseas, in the US, how is the GPS going to work in Europe ? Anyone any idea ,
Jan 09 01:26:46 <yabbas> CrashandDie: it'll work :)
Jan 09 01:26:48 <penguinbait> Dont get me wrong, KDE had some challenges, but they were all based on issues of scratchbox
Jan 09 01:26:49 <CrashandDie> Am I going to have to pay for the extra Europe maps ?
Jan 09 01:27:02 <CrashandDie> or are they included ?
Jan 09 01:27:19 <yabbas> penguinbait: aye +nods+  I'm sure it was a helluva lot more complex than running make install a meelllion times :)
Jan 09 01:27:32 <yabbas> CrashandDie: you don't get wayfinder out the box
Jan 09 01:27:58 <CrashandDie> are there any FOS apps ?
Jan 09 01:28:02 <penguinbait> a tad, KDE is about 1GB, my first hack was WindowMaker it was 16MB uncompressed :)
Jan 09 01:28:13 <CrashandDie> if not, I guess I just found the project I'm going to start :P
Jan 09 01:28:15 <yabbas> CrashandDie: you get a disabled routing version of wayfinder - you can download ALL the maps for free onit.
Jan 09 01:28:43 <yabbas> penguinbait: how nice was windowmaker?
Jan 09 01:28:49 <penguinbait> FAST
Jan 09 01:28:51 <CrashandDie> disabled routing ? Meaning I can't ask it to get me to some place ?
Jan 09 01:28:59 <CrashandDie> yabbas, how much is it to unlock it ?
Jan 09 01:29:00 <penguinbait> I was screaming on purpose :)
Jan 09 01:29:09 <penguinbait> it was screaming fast
Jan 09 01:29:28 <yabbas> CrashandDie: exactly - you get the map, you see where you are (coz GPS works wherever) but you can't get directions unless you unlock.  Find the costs on the  wayfinder site.
Jan 09 01:29:38 <CrashandDie> ok
Jan 09 01:29:39 <CrashandDie> thanks
Jan 09 01:29:54 <yabbas> penguinbait: lol - fancy doing a tiny windowmaker distro? :)
Jan 09 01:30:21 <penguinbait> I am thinking of doing Afterstep for n810, if I ever get one
Jan 09 01:30:33 <yabbas> yes yes YES!
Jan 09 01:30:36 <penguinbait> its small and runs well, but needs a keyboard
Jan 09 01:30:57 <yabbas> and keyboard is a non-issue with the N810 :)
Jan 09 01:31:04 <penguinbait> yup
Jan 09 01:31:10 <fysa> OpenMoko?
Jan 09 01:31:18 <penguinbait> Its just a question of version
Jan 09 01:31:54 <penguinbait> old versions are superfast, new versions run slower 2.X but have more bells and whistles
Jan 09 01:31:55 <yabbas> right - I better do this sleep thing that humans do
Jan 09 01:32:06 <penguinbait> night yabbas!
Jan 09 01:32:08 <|tbb|> CrashandDie: if u find anything new out then please inform me
Jan 09 01:32:25 <CrashandDie> |tbb|, I will, don't worry, I'll keep the community posted
Jan 09 01:32:34 <CrashandDie> yabbas, hmm, $100 for 3 years... Seems very decent !
Jan 09 01:32:35 <yabbas> nn dude - before I go - recommend  wait for your kde updates later on, or think I should download and play the current deb version?
Jan 09 01:32:48 <yabbas> CrashandDie: yup - and FREE updates during that time!
Jan 09 01:33:06 <CrashandDie> I don't even have the tablet yet, and I'm more and more excited
Jan 09 01:33:44 <CrashandDie> it's not *that* expensive (most decent GPS' cost $350+), and $100 for 3 years road updates is a bargain
Jan 09 01:34:09 <yabbas> CrashandDie: I bought an N770 ages ago with Wayfinder navigation.  6 months later they stop navicom and create wayfinder and tell me that my codes will work on the new device :D  Let's just say I was a VERY happy chappy ... if this was Garmin they'd have told me tough shite.
Jan 09 01:34:09 <CrashandDie> well, I'm off to bed now
Jan 09 01:34:41 <CrashandDie> yeah... I'm getting the feeling they're actually thinking about customer experience rather than big bucks
Jan 09 01:34:49 <yabbas> well...a bit of both ;)
Jan 09 01:35:02 <yabbas> anyways, nini peeps :)
Jan 09 01:35:10 <CrashandDie> as long as it's good for us, and good for them, everyone's happy :)
Jan 09 01:35:20 <CrashandDie> cheers everyone, good evening/morning/night, wherever you are
Jan 09 02:11:59 <TakMibbit> anybody know of SDL bindings for vala?
Jan 09 02:13:07 <sgehrman> I reviewed the n810 on my blog
Jan 09 02:13:07 <sgehrman> http://www.cocoatech.com/weblog/
Jan 09 02:13:12 <sgehrman> have fun...
Jan 09 02:14:47 <TakMibbit> wow...some of this stuff is just plain wrong.
Jan 09 02:15:08 <TakMibbit> "The n810 requires a Windows machine to upgrade the OS."
Jan 09 02:15:09 <GeneralAntilles> lol
Jan 09 02:15:11 <GeneralAntilles> What a joke.
Jan 09 02:16:43 <TakMibbit> "This thing isn't an iPhone plus I can't find a satellite anyway nokia hates macs and you suck and I hope you all die."
Jan 09 02:16:44 <GeneralAntilles> Sad to see that on the Path Finder website.
Jan 09 02:16:52 <GeneralAntilles> Makes me glad I never shelled out any cash to them.
Jan 09 02:17:40 * TakMibbit ignore Mac users whenever possible
Jan 09 02:18:12 <GeneralAntilles> Screw you, TakMibbit. :P
Jan 09 02:19:57 * TakMibbit ignore GeneralAntilles whenever possible ;-)
Jan 09 02:20:05 <TakMibbit> "I don't understand why a large rich corporation builds a device that's basically usable."
Jan 09 02:20:41 <GeneralAntilles> I love how he comes in to taunt us.
Jan 09 02:21:27 <TakMibbit> I know - too bad he didn't stay to accept my taunting of his bad grammar, poor logic, and overall silliness.
Jan 09 02:22:02 <GeneralAntilles> http://cocoatech.com/aboutus.php
Jan 09 02:22:09 <ds3> is there any chance of a SCO bluetooth scoket working in userspace?
Jan 09 02:22:27 <TakMibbit> '7) Lots of "modes". Sometimes I'm in one app and I get stuck in a mode and can't switch apps.'
Jan 09 02:23:02 <GeneralAntilles> Use the giant swap button, just like the iPhone.
Jan 09 02:32:29 <TakMibbit> hmm - is the debian/armel port in a state where we can just install packages from a debian repo?
Jan 09 02:35:20 <penguinbait> any bluetooth experts here?
Jan 09 02:35:22 <penguinbait> hehe
Jan 09 02:35:53 <penguinbait> I got a bt mouse and there is no passkey, its 0000, there is actually no passkey, how the heck do I use it
Jan 09 02:36:23 <TakMibbit> I think somebody mentioned the wiimotes being like that
Jan 09 02:36:38 <GeneralAntilles> Gotta have drivers that treat it correctly.
Jan 09 02:36:59 <Esworp> Omg.  Irc through tje onboard chat program.  Bitchin.
Jan 09 02:37:12 <GeneralAntilles> Still a little underfeatured
Jan 09 02:38:39 <Esworp> Does anyone have the url that keeps track of all the maemo repositories?
Jan 09 02:38:50 <penguinbait> I am a little underfeatured ;)
Jan 09 02:38:57 <ds3> penguinbait: what are you trying to do with it?
Jan 09 02:39:05 <TakMibbit> keeps track of?
Jan 09 02:39:05 <GeneralAntilles> topic, Esworp.
Jan 09 02:39:17 <penguinbait> uh, its a mouse, I want to use it
Jan 09 02:39:19 <packetlossmm> yep, im usimg chat for irc, works great for my basic usage
Jan 09 02:39:23 <penguinbait> :)
Jan 09 02:39:27 <Esworp> Oh.  I am a moron. Sorry gang.
Jan 09 02:39:32 <GeneralAntilles> :P
Jan 09 02:39:56 <Vulc|Sickish> GeneralAntilles: You have a igo keyboard, right?
Jan 09 02:40:02 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah
Jan 09 02:40:03 <ds3> penguinbait: I'd think you need HID support and to find its BT address
Jan 09 02:40:14 <Vulc|Sickish> do you get slight lag between keypress and the character coming up, general?
Jan 09 02:40:22 <GeneralAntilles> More than a desktop
Jan 09 02:40:26 <Vulc|Sickish> enough that it starts being words behind?
Jan 09 02:40:28 <GeneralAntilles> but not really significant
Jan 09 02:40:31 <GeneralAntilles> No, not that far
Jan 09 02:40:34 <Esworp> Ok.  Next one- how do i get erming working on os2008?
Jan 09 02:40:38 <GeneralAntilles> Just a touch of bluetooth/CPU lag.
Jan 09 02:40:40 <Vulc|Sickish> at like, 90 wpm its half a word or s obehind, if not more
Jan 09 02:40:56 <penguinbait> I can get hid support, how do I bind the bt address to use it
Jan 09 02:41:08 <ds3> ah
Jan 09 02:42:01 <GeneralAntilles> There is a little lag
Jan 09 02:42:05 <GeneralAntilles> but it's mostly a CPU issue.
Jan 09 02:42:08 <penguinbait> I guess I just need bt connection, I must have to make it manually, because the gui wont let me set a device as trusted if I can't pair it
Jan 09 02:42:20 <ds3> looks like "hidd --connect BT:ADDR"
Jan 09 02:42:39 <ds3> don't have a bt mouse handy and my keyboard only works in SPP mode :/
Jan 09 02:43:14 <penguinbait> what the tool to scan for address, they couldn't just print the damn thing for me
Jan 09 02:43:21 <ds3> hcitool scan
Jan 09 02:43:29 <ds3> that should list it if it is discoverable
Jan 09 02:44:52 <penguinbait> do I have to install hcitool?  bt tools or something
Jan 09 02:45:11 <ds3> hcitool should be part of bluez by default.. but I heard it is not available on OS2008
Jan 09 02:45:24 <penguinbait> bah
Jan 09 02:45:45 <penguinbait> go figure
Jan 09 02:46:03 <ds3> i am not familiar with OS2008 so someone else will have to chime in
Jan 09 02:46:24 <TakMibbit> does anybody happen to know if there's an sdl binding for vala?
Jan 09 02:47:03 <Esworp> Wtf, since installing the chat upgrade, when i run the control panel it runs gpe calendar without asking.
Jan 09 02:47:19 <TakMibbit> hahahaha
Jan 09 02:47:35 <TakMibbit> if you launch the browser, does it make you coffee?
Jan 09 02:47:40 <TakMibbit> eek, I guess not
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