**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jan 11 02:59:56 2008 Jan 11 03:21:33 ok squashfs question? Jan 11 03:24:09 penguinbait: .. :) Jan 11 03:24:26 mount -t squashfs image /mnt -o loop Jan 11 03:24:34 is that ext2 image? Jan 11 03:25:09 simply "mount -o loop image /mnt" should work.. Jan 11 03:25:18 can I squash a file local.img which is ext2 fs mounte on /usr/local Jan 11 03:25:19 with an squashfs "image" Jan 11 03:25:29 local sits on fat Jan 11 03:26:09 how do I create a squash image? Jan 11 03:26:11 well i guess there is no need for ext2 in that case.. (and probably it would also degrade compression) Jan 11 03:26:27 just create 1.4gb files witdd then compress? Jan 11 03:26:30 mksquashfs src/ dest.squashfs Jan 11 03:27:04 no.. you can directly compress the dir.. (like tar/zip) Jan 11 03:27:19 the resulting image is "read only" then.. Jan 11 03:28:09 my problem is the dir is FAT Jan 11 03:28:46 so can I take a dir on a FAT FS and squash it, and then untar into it? Jan 11 03:29:10 mkdir /media/mmc1/squashdir Jan 11 03:29:48 uhm.. i guess the sane approach would be to compress the actual kde dir (instead of dumping it to a ext2 loopback, just compress the content of the ext2 with squashfs).. Jan 11 03:30:05 you would get an single file that can be stored on fat or what ever.. Jan 11 03:30:19 ok, but its readonly? Jan 11 03:30:22 yes Jan 11 03:31:14 I would have to redo all my debs, its not as easy as I thought Jan 11 03:31:17 the compression tool "mksquashfs" just compresses the data (aka gzip and some structural information) into a read-only container Jan 11 03:31:21 hmm.. Jan 11 03:31:34 haven't looked at what you done actually :p Jan 11 03:32:03 I have three debs, the first one creates via dd a 1.3GB ext2 fs, and mounts it on usr/local Jan 11 03:32:22 it sits /media/mmc1/local.img Jan 11 03:32:55 I was hoping to compress local.img, then untar into it using the other two debs. Jan 11 03:33:04 I already have made Jan 11 03:33:09 and working :) Jan 11 03:33:18 mostly :) Jan 11 03:33:31 if you can read anyway Jan 11 03:33:44 what do the other debs do? Jan 11 03:34:23 1 untars the main KDE files, in /usr /etc /usr/local Jan 11 03:35:04 and 1 add about 20mb of stuff to start KDE up, that way I could update the smaller deb and not all of KDE, its a smaller download Jan 11 03:35:36 ..i see.. Jan 11 03:37:15 ok.. Jan 11 03:37:43 basically you would just make a squashfs from /usr/local and mount afterwards.. Jan 11 03:37:57 I am not done with this, I have some ideas it just might take me a little more time Jan 11 03:38:07 and strip all /usr/local stuff from the sup package.. Jan 11 03:39:09 I am thinking of mabe I could do a couple of dirs in /usr/local but not all, do like all of share, but not libs and bin? Jan 11 03:39:37 then the squash images could be put into the KDE tarball? Jan 11 03:41:00 uff.. well this sounds really messy - but it should somehow work.. :) Jan 11 03:41:02 would having multiple squashes mounted be a problem? Jan 11 03:41:13 no.. shouldn't be a problem Jan 11 03:41:32 (as long as you will not exceed loop0 handlers i suppose ;) Jan 11 03:41:37 loopX Jan 11 03:41:46 right Jan 11 03:42:34 but why not stuff all of the local stuff into a big squash file? Jan 11 03:43:48 something like: mksquashfs /usr/local kdelocal.squashfs && rm -rf /usr/local/* && mount -o loop kdelocal.squashfs /usr/local Jan 11 03:43:55 I need to try it first to tes speed,but also would want to be able to update /usr/local possibly Jan 11 03:44:18 mh yeah ro is a disandvantage.. Jan 11 03:44:43 a unionfs might work really well here...but it would involve some work Jan 11 03:44:45 I want to put as little as possible in flash Jan 11 03:45:16 Plus if I want to add and kde apps I need to write out there also Jan 11 03:45:32 johnx: yeah to some degree (as it's actually not really necessary) Jan 11 03:46:32 it's more complexity up front, but it nicely deals with updating in place Jan 11 03:47:20 there is also so somewhat "stupid" approach to just symlink everything from some mountpoint to the flash.. Jan 11 03:47:39 but probably a sane unionfs setup would be a good option too.. Jan 11 03:48:13 I'd steer away from symlink hell Jan 11 03:48:16 or just one big ro dir with everything you need in it.. not flexible but kiss :) Jan 11 03:48:26 ask the zaurus users how fun it was :P Jan 11 03:48:35 * jott knows this ;) Jan 11 03:48:38 Thats what I did Jan 11 03:48:47 (that's where the "stupid" derived from ;-) Jan 11 03:48:48 simple is not always tiny :) Jan 11 03:48:57 either way, I just mention unionfs for completeness Jan 11 03:49:22 yeah.. quite a few livecd use unionfs ... Jan 11 03:49:28 however there is a certain sweet spot in between tiny-massive and simple-hard Jan 11 03:50:12 to be fair, its the same size on a desktop, its not like I made it bigger :) Jan 11 03:50:54 penguinbait: yeah well you could strip alot of stuff and make a "lightweight" version ;) Jan 11 03:51:16 jott, that smacks of effort Jan 11 03:51:23 I want functional, for everyone, so I provide everything? Jan 11 03:51:23 and it's a vicious cycle Jan 11 03:51:33 every time upstream updates you have to do lots more work Jan 11 03:51:37 you can always rip out what you dont want Jan 11 03:52:02 I am not a developer, I am winging it ;) Jan 11 03:52:18 penguinbait, welcome to the club Jan 11 03:52:22 indeed.. getting sbuild or alike running and do a full (debian/ubuntu derived) splitbuild would be imho the best thing to do ;p Jan 11 03:52:24 hehe Jan 11 03:52:47 jott, I'm trying to drag in maemo-sdk stuff into a debian armel chroot Jan 11 03:52:51 I am complete advocat of full OS done right, not by me :) Jan 11 03:52:53 jott, we'll see how well this works Jan 11 03:52:59 I am just working with what I got :) Jan 11 03:55:58 penguinbait, that's more of a umpc-linux approach Jan 11 03:56:16 isn't that what I have? Jan 11 03:56:28 yes, if you want Jan 11 03:56:35 but for a consumer device, a limited OS makes sense too Jan 11 03:56:41 less unpredictable complications Jan 11 03:56:54 absolutely Jan 11 03:57:06 as he said KISS Jan 11 03:57:41 but getting a UMPC for $200, $400 pretty good deals Jan 11 03:57:43 but your kde work is great Jan 11 03:57:45 yep Jan 11 03:58:01 pupnik, There are trade offs. pulling in the full upstream software is easy for devs but may be complicated for users (and takes up lots of space) Jan 11 03:58:06 did you see the debs? Jan 11 03:58:22 meanwhile, packing everything simple and small makes it nice for the users but really hard for devs Jan 11 03:58:29 space is cheap, for large gain Jan 11 03:58:31 i'm sorry i don't use the KDE, but i am a moral supporter of your work Jan 11 03:58:49 printing webpages, emails, Jan 11 03:58:57 :) Jan 11 03:59:06 that's pretty serious advantage - the printing Jan 11 03:59:11 pupnik: hey, johnx just made a theoretical statement :) Jan 11 03:59:21 Are you an IBM'er or just did some time there? Jan 11 03:59:51 who? Jan 11 03:59:57 you Jan 11 04:00:13 no Jan 11 04:00:21 (using logical OR) Jan 11 04:01:15 sorry wrong website Jan 11 04:01:17 Ha Jan 11 04:01:31 you were sitting by the fire drinking a beer? Jan 11 04:01:40 or was that not you? Jan 11 04:02:00 memory is failing me Jan 11 04:02:10 ? :) yes i have done that many times. dunno who you are thinking of Jan 11 04:02:25 http://pupnik.de/photos/Arnim_Roman_Tower_by_Limes_w_Psion_Netbook_sm.html Jan 11 04:02:29 oh yeah Jan 11 04:02:58 what was up with tornado night? Jan 11 04:03:04 looks crazy Jan 11 04:03:06 lots of beer :P Jan 11 04:03:10 hehehe Jan 11 04:05:31 hey it would be fun if the chess program allowed online gaming Jan 11 04:06:54 speaking of online gaming Jan 11 04:07:56 http://pupnik.de/Daimonin_Widget1.jpg Jan 11 04:08:35 no idea when it'll be finished though Jan 11 04:08:49 Never, if you keep dicking around in here. :P Jan 11 04:09:15 too slow on the 770 Jan 11 04:09:18 Your N810 ever ship? Jan 11 04:09:24 yeah two days ago Jan 11 04:11:37 We have decided to extend validity period of N810 maemo device program, new expiration date is 30.06.2008. Jan 11 04:11:42 that cant be good Jan 11 04:12:26 The N900 will be out by the time your get your N810, penguinbait. ;) Jan 11 04:12:59 Did they really send that e-mail to US residents? Jan 11 04:13:01 1020 Jan 11 04:13:10 N1392 Jan 11 04:13:23 bait and switch Jan 11 04:14:17 I saw that online, on ITT Jan 11 04:14:34 GeneralAntilles: this mail was sent to all participants i suppose (as i got it too) Jan 11 04:15:13 you mean what I just pasted? Jan 11 04:15:53 yes.. Jan 11 04:16:36 hmm, checking mail now Jan 11 04:17:04 Somebody needs to slap some resources and organization into Nokia. Jan 11 04:17:14 It's just been one mess after another. Jan 11 04:17:55 These are the people they expect peddle their wares. Jan 11 04:18:04 but in the end everybody will be happy (hopefully :) Jan 11 04:20:02 at least i'm happy now, as i recieved my devices yesterday :) Jan 11 04:20:25 deviceS? Jan 11 04:20:48 ups.. Jan 11 04:20:49 device :) Jan 11 04:20:51 heh Jan 11 04:22:02 * jott should try if the discount code works a second time *gg* Jan 11 04:22:47 lol Jan 11 04:23:17 hrm ok so the backlight thing checks device code now so it wont allow screen blanking on the n800 :) Jan 11 04:23:50 i posted to the mailing list about my GtkMenu issues... we'll see how that goes. It may be a couple days before I see a response, if at all :/ Jan 11 04:24:18 and the code is available if anyone wants it now... http://cs.trinity.edu/~acm/debs/advanced-backlight-0.3-src.tar.gz Jan 11 04:24:47 i spent about 20 minutes cleaning it and commenting it... and then proceeded to tar over it by swapping the argument order :P so i did it again >_> Jan 11 04:24:47 rm_you: you need a patched kernel for this, right? Jan 11 04:24:50 yes Jan 11 04:24:53 at the moment Jan 11 04:25:27 http://www.worth1000.com/entries/119500/119632GLNK_w.jpg <<< fox viewers (humor) Jan 11 04:25:28 i'm trying to figure out how to reverse engineer dsmetest as fanoush suggested... but i can only run it from within the /mnt/initfs/ chroot, and there isn't an strace available in there!! :( Jan 11 04:25:36 we'll i already build my first kernel module so compiling the whole kernel would be the logical next step ;) Jan 11 04:25:54 heh, fanoush's kernel drops right in nicely Jan 11 04:26:03 http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/ Jan 11 04:26:54 so... any thoughts on that? I can only run dsmetest INSIDE the chroot, and i can only run strace OUTSIDE the chroot >_> Jan 11 04:28:05 http://www.linuxgames.com/archives/9914 Jan 11 04:28:10 so who wants to take it on? :) Jan 11 04:28:30 yup got the freaking email, did only USA get the email? Jan 11 04:28:57 penguinbait: no.. as i said i also got it (germany) Jan 11 04:29:12 ah Jan 11 04:30:01 dragorn: that would be sweet Jan 11 04:30:08 i wonder how hard it would be to compile Jan 11 04:30:13 Taking a look Jan 11 04:30:53 oh dear. Jan 11 04:30:56 python, tcl, and tk Jan 11 04:31:07 I really would have bought one by now if I was not promised two for free, I guess I am just like a kid waiting for christmas, and I am not sure what the date it? Jan 11 04:31:13 wait, is it python??? Jan 11 04:31:29 heh Jan 11 04:31:40 Unix porting, optimization and TCL/Tk user interface design.... Jan 11 04:31:49 so it would be nontrivial Jan 11 04:32:13 rm_you, it's TCL/TK Jan 11 04:32:14 unix porting?? Jan 11 04:32:19 :/ Jan 11 04:32:24 dragorn, it looks like it already runs on OLPC Jan 11 04:32:35 johnx: yes, a different version Jan 11 04:32:47 i never thought they really would release it under gpl :) Jan 11 04:32:52 right, but the source code for that is avaiable, yes? Jan 11 04:33:08 the olpc one? not as far as I see in the article I pasted Jan 11 04:33:30 "The OLPC has an officially sanctioned and QA?ed version of SimCity that is actually called SimCity. EA wanted to have the right to approve and QA anything that was shipped with the trademarked name SimCity." Jan 11 04:33:33 i thought that was it Jan 11 04:33:51 right, but would the OLPC guys even touch it if it was closed? Jan 11 04:35:12 http://www.olpcnews.com/content/games/simcity_on_the_olpc_xo.html Jan 11 04:35:19 is there a config file for scratchbox that will 1) keep the target on armel on startup and 2)export DISPLAY=:2 ? Jan 11 04:35:42 well it kind of runs. not terribly well. Like the main map doesn't render. Jan 11 04:36:09 Luria, mine always remembers the last system I was on Jan 11 04:36:23 huh, mine didnt :-/ Jan 11 04:36:31 and you can export DISPLAY=:2 in your .bashrc inside scratchbox Jan 11 04:36:38 Luria: mine remembers too :/ Jan 11 04:36:57 all right, well i'll quit and startup Jan 11 04:37:00 dragorn: you get it to run? mine is having issues on compile Jan 11 04:37:00 ta Jan 11 04:37:19 rm_you: it runs. Just not playably. Jan 11 04:37:30 dragorn: :( Jan 11 04:38:27 maybe s/micropolis/SimCity/g will make it work ;> Jan 11 04:38:37 lol Jan 11 04:38:45 (i bet they did it the otherway around ;-) Jan 11 04:39:18 wish I had the time to think about porting it Jan 11 04:40:25 dragorn: what yacc do you have? mine seems to fail on build Jan 11 04:41:14 whatever the latest is... Jan 11 04:41:36 1.9.1 Jan 11 04:41:47 does the N800 have 3G cpabilities? Jan 11 04:41:58 Ha Jan 11 04:42:04 Do you see a SIM card slot? :P Jan 11 04:42:11 Just get yourself a good phone to tether to. Jan 11 04:42:27 johnx: you're right, btw, this is somehow tied to the olpc build Jan 11 04:42:27 oh ... I thought 3G is for Internet Jan 11 04:42:46 3G is like EDGE and GPRS Jan 11 04:42:49 It's for cellular data. Jan 11 04:43:12 well, *simply* put... "it is for the internet" ... via cell Jan 11 04:43:12 oh ok Jan 11 04:44:43 GeneralAntilles: what phone do you have? i'm tempted by the n95 Jan 11 04:44:53 Samsung SGH-A717 Jan 11 04:44:57 Cheap and small Jan 11 04:45:00 or maybe i will wait until Android devices come out to upgrade my phone Jan 11 04:45:23 N95 seems like overkill for a tethering phone. Jan 11 04:45:28 just a year or two on that, eh? Jan 11 04:45:35 lol so? i need a phone, too :P Jan 11 04:45:45 Then get something small and cheap. :P Jan 11 04:45:46 well, my *current* phone would tether fine... Jan 11 04:45:50 Not huge and $600 Jan 11 04:45:54 motorola v360 Jan 11 04:46:04 Motos suck Jan 11 04:46:09 i love mine <_< Jan 11 04:46:16 what makes you say that they suck> Jan 11 04:46:17 ? Jan 11 04:46:41 Because they do. :P Jan 11 04:46:57 I had some decent ones when I was with Nextel Jan 11 04:47:16 my v360 is the best phone i've ever had >_> Jan 11 04:47:16 my parents have had a string of T-Mobile and AT&T Motos and they were all bad. Jan 11 04:47:21 * qnr-lt say's their PS connectors suck, at least... likes Motorola transceivers and Motorola chips though Jan 11 04:47:25 i use TMobile Jan 11 04:47:32 er. says Jan 11 04:47:41 Better change if you want 3g Jan 11 04:47:44 PS connectors? Jan 11 04:47:46 >_> Jan 11 04:47:56 connectors for thier power supplies Jan 11 04:48:44 ... Jan 11 04:48:49 ah Jan 11 04:48:59 too shallow, tends to deform shape and the the connectors don't come in contact after a while Jan 11 04:49:00 I like my Samsung Jan 11 04:49:06 everybody I know likes their Samsungs. Jan 11 04:49:06 would that explain why my phone reboots when i bump it too hard? :P Jan 11 04:49:10 Nokias are good, too. Jan 11 04:49:14 I just prefer clamshells. Jan 11 04:49:20 ... cause it does Jan 11 04:49:34 and it's the best phone you've ever had? <_< Jan 11 04:49:38 yes Jan 11 04:49:43 i hated my samsung Jan 11 04:49:46 You've had some pretty terrible phones. Jan 11 04:49:49 mostly the software Jan 11 04:49:58 the moto software is awesome Jan 11 04:50:17 my moto crashed all the time Jan 11 04:50:19 it has like, zero limitations on what it lets me do Jan 11 04:50:24 I kinda experienced exactly the opposite. Jan 11 04:50:27 Moto software drives me nuts. Jan 11 04:50:46 rm_you: you must not have verizon :P Jan 11 04:50:47 Really, though, I only use my phone as a phone (well, and a modem). Jan 11 04:50:56 dragorn: tmobile :P they are very non-interference Jan 11 04:51:05 GeneralAntilles: what does your data plan cost you? Jan 11 04:51:11 $20/mo Jan 11 04:51:15 unlimited? Jan 11 04:51:15 however, up where I am, they're useless Jan 11 04:51:16 it's not technically a tethering plan Jan 11 04:51:27 but I've had it since last spring and haven't had any problems. Jan 11 04:51:31 unlimited? Jan 11 04:51:35 Supposedly Jan 11 04:51:37 >_> Jan 11 04:51:40 what plan *is* it? Jan 11 04:51:42 Of course that's not actually true Jan 11 04:51:43 * qnr-lt only turns on the phone every 90 days to find out his phone number so he can add more airtime :) Jan 11 04:51:46 who's your carrier? Jan 11 04:51:49 MediaMAX 200 is what Cingular called it. Jan 11 04:51:59 hrm Jan 11 04:52:10 i need to call tmobile and find out how much a data plan would cost Jan 11 04:52:27 They only offer EDGE Jan 11 04:52:29 Is there really no .deb for xserver-xomap? Jan 11 04:52:30 which is sloooow Jan 11 04:52:41 <_< Jan 11 04:52:49 switching carriers would be... annoying Jan 11 04:53:10 i wonder if i'm still on contract Jan 11 04:55:06 grrr...I should reflash and switch to running root on SD Jan 11 04:55:43 I really wish it was actually legal for someone to just put up a pristine filesystem image from right after a reflash+firstboot Jan 11 04:58:07 [23:55:44] I really wish it was actually legal for someone to just put up a pristine filesystem image from right after a reflash+firstboot -- to unlock a phone from a carrier? I think its allowed now Jan 11 04:58:18 there was a bill passed awhile ago Jan 11 04:58:54 Vulc|NotHere, sorry I was actually talking about an N800 Jan 11 04:59:14 Ah, sorry. I am tired, and was looking up and reading about cellphones before that Jan 11 04:59:25 I also completely misread what you said Jan 11 04:59:47 no problem...I kind of just wedged it into a pre-existing conversation without introduction :) Jan 11 05:00:09 soooo wats every1 talking bout Jan 11 05:00:55 They're talking about phones Jan 11 05:01:13 I'm talking about running the root fs of my N800 off of an SD card instead of the builtin flash Jan 11 05:01:27 ...so I can start trying to hack a proper debian system up Jan 11 05:01:44 without hosing my device when I mess up the dependencies Jan 11 05:02:09 i wanna see someone put in a freebsd kernel on the n800 with maemo Jan 11 05:02:24 is there an arm port of freebsd? Jan 11 05:02:49 maybe Jan 11 05:03:03 if not netbsd might have one Jan 11 05:03:10 they do Jan 11 05:03:12 as well as openbsd Jan 11 05:03:31 I doubt they have all the device drivers they need to be actually useful though Jan 11 05:04:22 i think having bash as default would be helpful also Jan 11 05:04:56 so, get your device booting off of mmc/sd and test it :) Jan 11 05:05:34 i might be adventurous sunday to do it Jan 11 05:07:20 anybody else agree havving maemo, moblin, and ubuntu mobile diffrent is dumb Jan 11 05:07:54 they all run hildon, and say app compatibility between them is good Jan 11 05:08:15 whats moblin? Jan 11 05:08:44 maemo is cut down to fit in 130MB of flash, moblin is intel's official thing for bigger/faster systems Jan 11 05:08:47 intels umpc platform Jan 11 05:08:59 and ubuntu mobile is intel's thing Jan 11 05:09:11 I think there is too much confict of interest to make it work well Jan 11 05:09:33 i still think they should merge and just have diffrent releases for diffrent products Jan 11 05:10:52 it might be nice, but I'm sure it will never happen Jan 11 05:11:08 gah...I mispoke a couple lines up Jan 11 05:11:14 ah Jan 11 05:11:20 moblin is of course intel's thing...not ubuntu mobile Jan 11 05:11:28 right, i understood Jan 11 05:11:28 i think i feel too restricted with just one os choice for my tablet Jan 11 05:11:37 yeah Jan 11 05:11:42 wheres bsd for IT Jan 11 05:12:06 and the ui restrictment kinda kills me Jan 11 05:12:09 or armel pen windows Jan 11 05:12:14 that would rock. Jan 11 05:12:32 would be cool to have a choice of ui layout Jan 11 05:12:33 wishes aside...on a realistic note debian has a great armel port Jan 11 05:13:16 i thought maemo was debian based Jan 11 05:13:29 it is, but it's a really hacked down debian Jan 11 05:13:56 it uses busybox instead of the normal GNU stuff and normal debian armel packages probably won't install Jan 11 05:13:59 i guesd im used to more freedom with linux Jan 11 05:14:15 you *do* have freedom...you just have to do a little work Jan 11 05:14:35 right now, even as we speak I'm trying to get the maemo stuff to run in a full debian system Jan 11 05:14:41 its alot for newbies Jan 11 05:14:51 freedom isn't free Jan 11 05:15:13 i like the one window idea for hildon Jan 11 05:15:34 the "freedom" in Linux doesn't mean getting everything handed to you on a silver platter, it means that you can change things if you want to Jan 11 05:15:40 i just dont like the app menu placement at times Jan 11 05:17:47 well, maemo is pretty much a fixed-layout sort of thing Jan 11 05:17:48 johnx: please keep me posted, i'm also very interested in a debian compatible build setup - i'll do some more work in getting a debian comaptible setup within scratchbox so we'll see if both approaches will be any good :) -- but i'm afk now Jan 11 05:17:59 but i could do something if i wanted Jan 11 05:18:03 jott, alright Jan 11 05:19:22 johnx: i would work on that too if i had the first idea how to go about it Jan 11 05:19:39 i think you have way more experience in that field, so i'll just leave you to it Jan 11 05:19:51 heh Jan 11 05:19:53 but i'll be somewhat interested as well Jan 11 05:20:10 *seeing as how you already did it for your zaurus >_> Jan 11 05:20:30 on the zaurus it was comparitively easy Jan 11 05:21:06 right now I'm going to get my N800 to boot from SD, make a fresh copy of the 2008OS and at least get a debian chroot going Jan 11 05:21:17 well im out, i got school tommorow Jan 11 05:21:24 cya Jan 11 05:21:34 'later dolske Jan 11 05:21:43 grr...sorry, I meant dospod Jan 11 05:22:50 so... no one had any thoughts on my strace/dsmetest dilemma? Jan 11 05:23:04 this is in scratchbox? Jan 11 05:23:11 on the device Jan 11 05:23:27 you want to strace it on the device, right? Jan 11 05:23:30 yes Jan 11 05:23:37 and it doesn't work, why? Jan 11 05:23:42 strace is installed on the device... Jan 11 05:23:51 but to run dsmetest, i have to chroot into /mnt/initfs/ Jan 11 05:23:56 which doesn't have strace >_> Jan 11 05:23:58 anyone got a copy of roadmap compiled for OS2007 (https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=536&release_id=1342 <-- that but compiled for OS2007); there appears to used to be a copy at http://daveblank.com/n800/roadmap_1.1.0-1_armel.deb but that's gone Jan 11 05:24:36 rm_you: strace chroot /mnt/initfs /usr/bin/XYZ Jan 11 05:24:48 lol i was just wondering if i could do that Jan 11 05:25:05 did anyone manage to make a deb of abiword for chinook? Jan 11 05:25:05 anyone got freeciv working in OS2008? Jan 11 05:25:09 thanks Jan 11 05:25:18 just remember to use strace -f Jan 11 05:25:30 ..and some other forking related switches Jan 11 05:26:18 -ff, -o something, ... Jan 11 05:26:23 that shouldn't fork Jan 11 05:26:27 it should just be a series of exec's Jan 11 05:27:00 well but the dsme thingie might something Jan 11 05:27:10 +do Jan 11 05:27:31 ah Jan 11 05:27:32 hrm ok i think i got an strace... Jan 11 05:28:09 http://pastebin.ca/850426 Jan 11 05:28:22 it's times like these when I wish I had a real physical console of some sort for the N800 Jan 11 05:28:40 no one know of a OS2007 binary of roadmap? Jan 11 05:29:19 "brightness reqyest sent!\n" reqyest :) Jan 11 05:29:44 lol yeah Jan 11 05:29:51 it has a typo ^_^ Jan 11 05:30:42 write(3, "\f\0\0\0\211\2\0\0d\0\0\0", 12) = 12 Jan 11 05:30:53 could that be it writing the value to whatever is file pointer 3? Jan 11 05:31:35 rm_you: does dsmetest exit or does it loop continously? Jan 11 05:31:40 it exits Jan 11 05:31:47 it just runs, does its thing, and exits Jan 11 05:32:44 do you have ldd? i wonder if that libdsme.so links to anything else Jan 11 05:32:57 Hi, first time here. I will lurk for a while and see if I can help :) Jan 11 05:33:36 Tama-rro, very conscientious. Jan 11 05:33:39 hi Tama-rro :) Jan 11 05:34:11 Lol Luria, ciao Johnx Jan 11 05:34:43 http://pastebin.ca/850429 is correct... the other one had a duplicated section Jan 11 05:35:16 and the only lines that matter are between 38 and 76, right? Jan 11 05:42:35 whats a good svn client? Jan 11 05:42:43 (for debian etch) Jan 11 05:43:52 i use esvn >_> Jan 11 05:44:08 i don't like it very much... but it's the best i've seen Jan 11 05:44:50 Luria: I use Eclipse with subclipse plugin. :-) Jan 11 05:44:53 well, that's a hearty recommendation Jan 11 05:45:00 no eclipse. Jan 11 05:45:01 :-) Jan 11 05:45:17 i tried to like eclipse Jan 11 05:45:20 wtf >_> Jan 11 05:45:52 but its so damn slow Jan 11 05:46:19 i try to run "ldd" or "/usr/bin/ldd" and it says "-sh: ldd: not found" Jan 11 05:46:24 but i can SEE the file there Jan 11 05:46:25 >_< Jan 11 05:46:35 it keeps doing that to me on all kinds of other programs too Jan 11 05:46:51 this is on the n800 Jan 11 05:46:54 PATH NOT SETUP CORRECTLY? Jan 11 05:47:00 is it executable? are you getting I/O errors? is it a link to something dead? Jan 11 05:47:06 ops, sorry for caps Jan 11 05:47:22 try the one in /mnt/initfs/usr/bin/ldd Jan 11 05:47:23 Nezumi:/usr/bin# ls -l ldd Jan 11 05:47:23 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 5567 Sep 7 02:47 ldd Jan 11 05:47:44 so, if you want a laught... i tried installing some stuff from source last night... no gcc Jan 11 05:47:48 same, not found Jan 11 05:48:12 so, apt-get install build-essential, right? Jan 11 05:48:16 even though i am trying to run it as ./ldd Jan 11 05:48:21 but it kept hanging Jan 11 05:48:22 it's right there, i can see it Jan 11 05:48:35 rm_you: what about "chroot /mnt/initfs /usr/bin/ldd"? Jan 11 05:48:39 i was doing this over a nx connection Jan 11 05:48:47 seem to recall there was something funny about getting ldd to work Jan 11 05:48:51 rm_you, are you getting something weird out of dmesg? Jan 11 05:48:57 now, i can install some of the packages Jan 11 05:48:59 chroot: cannot execute /usr/bin/ldd: No such file or directory Jan 11 05:49:05 sh /usr/bin/ldd works for me Jan 11 05:49:08 johnx: nope Jan 11 05:49:09 odd Jan 11 05:49:15 IT IS RIGHT THERE Jan 11 05:49:19 I SEE IT >_< Jan 11 05:49:29 but not others. it just sat there not downloading. Jan 11 05:49:31 but /usr/bin/ldd says 'not found' Jan 11 05:49:38 but it *is* there Jan 11 05:49:49 turns out, sources.list still had a reference to the install cd. Jan 11 05:49:50 run it with libc, eg. /lib/libc.so.something /usr/bin/ldd Jan 11 05:50:04 oops. Jan 11 05:50:09 (the usual way of getting around noexec stuff) Jan 11 05:50:38 AH! Jan 11 05:50:40 I see Jan 11 05:50:43 do this - Jan 11 05:50:49 ldd is a bash script >_< Jan 11 05:50:51 no bash on n800 Jan 11 05:50:53 wtf Jan 11 05:51:06 n800 runs ash/busybox Jan 11 05:51:07 "LD_DEBUG=all /usr/lib/libdsme.so" Jan 11 05:51:16 ahh.. didn't remember that Jan 11 05:51:20 so that would be a problem Jan 11 05:51:38 it is a little verbose but should give you the info Jan 11 05:51:47 if you go : #sh /usr/bin/ldd it will run Jan 11 05:55:43 ds3: it isn't executable Jan 11 05:55:53 and it just segfaults if i try to make it so :/ Jan 11 05:59:07 oh :( Jan 11 05:59:30 well, i managed to get ldd into the chroot and it runs Jan 11 05:59:32 sort of Jan 11 05:59:38 it will output stuff on --help Jan 11 05:59:48 but if i try like... ldd $somefile Jan 11 05:59:55 it just exits and prints nothing Jan 11 06:00:25 i am tempted to flash to OS2008 on an N800.. is that advisable? Jan 11 06:00:30 yes Jan 11 06:00:34 thats what i'm running Jan 11 06:00:45 so there is enough critical mass of ported software? Jan 11 06:00:48 you really should... all the development work is moving to chinook Jan 11 06:00:58 everything i need is there. Jan 11 06:01:00 johnx: thoughts? Jan 11 06:01:23 just worried I will be missing software... got the unit for xmas and it is in a state I almost like it Jan 11 06:01:30 heh Jan 11 06:01:42 well, i had the device customized for like 3 months before i flashed Jan 11 06:01:52 so it took me like... 2 days to get it all back to normal Jan 11 06:02:07 not worth staying on os2007 Jan 11 06:02:08 is it just a matter of ./flasher-static -F RX.....bin -f? Jan 11 06:02:09 rm_you, it's a bash script...so it's probably expecting something that it can't find in initfs Jan 11 06:02:22 only thing missing is abiword... Jan 11 06:02:22 johnx: i was thinking more like, your opinion on flashing to 2008 :P Jan 11 06:02:28 ldd may be using something bash-specific :( Jan 11 06:02:49 or do I need to unpack it and do it one by one from Linux? Jan 11 06:02:50 flash to 2008OS unless you really need something 2007 specific Jan 11 06:03:23 ds3, so far not on 2008: a2dp, abiword and evince Jan 11 06:03:42 a2dp as much as 2007 >_> better actually Jan 11 06:03:56 a2dp is the only one I care about Jan 11 06:04:04 well, it's kinda there Jan 11 06:04:05 does HSP work? Jan 11 06:04:07 it's what john and i are foxusing on Jan 11 06:04:10 *focusing Jan 11 06:04:16 HSP works out-of-the-box Jan 11 06:04:17 yeah, I saw your thread on IIT Jan 11 06:04:20 Oh nice Jan 11 06:04:23 all dev for a2dp has moved to 2008 anyway Jan 11 06:04:43 what about some player that can do both OGG and MP3 in the same playlist? Jan 11 06:04:45 I'm not happy with how well it works, but it really does work about as good as 2007OS Jan 11 06:04:50 i dont think many people are interesting in developing for an outdated platform >_> Jan 11 06:05:14 ds3: lardman has an almost working DSP port of tremor, IIRC Jan 11 06:05:17 anyways, I will be out for a while Jan 11 06:05:21 * johnx lurks Jan 11 06:05:22 johnx: ? Jan 11 06:05:24 kk Jan 11 06:05:33 so everything is on the "verge" of working ? Jan 11 06:05:39 everything fairly works Jan 11 06:05:50 a2dp works better than 2007, IMO Jan 11 06:06:04 rm_you: what about flashing? do I just pass the bin file to flasher with the -f option? or is there more to it? Jan 11 06:06:05 cause i can watch videos with a2dp perfectly... and on 2007 that was totally not doable Jan 11 06:06:10 i think thats it Jan 11 06:06:13 I've done kernel/initrd seperately Jan 11 06:06:14 check the maemo wiki or something :/ Jan 11 06:06:20 Okay Jan 11 06:06:22 i did it with the windoze flasher Jan 11 06:06:31 no windoze machines handy Jan 11 06:06:37 yeah, i have one for work Jan 11 06:06:42 the ones I have are not allowed on the network for security reasons. Jan 11 06:06:45 heh Jan 11 06:06:50 just use flasher -r bleh.bin -f -R Jan 11 06:06:52 that's IIRC Jan 11 06:06:57 * johnx is really away now Jan 11 06:07:02 thanks Jan 11 06:07:40 ds3: that reminds me, i really want to set up my own one of these networks: http://xkcd.com/350/ :P Jan 11 06:08:53 heh Jan 11 06:09:07 it'll be a good excuse to avoid setting up asterisk so I can try out SIP ;) Jan 11 06:44:52 does anyone have good luck with modest and an imap inbox of about 5k emails? Jan 11 06:47:31 i dont have luck with 600 Jan 11 06:47:45 go with claws, i would think Jan 11 06:48:03 Morning Jan 11 06:48:06 Modest crashes too often for me Jan 11 06:48:16 morning PanzerBoy Jan 11 06:48:54 * Panzerboy is ircing from his N810 Jan 11 06:49:24 :-) Jan 11 06:49:53 Yeah, modest isn't quite there yet imho Jan 11 06:51:12 and claws has fugly UI ;_; Jan 11 06:51:24 yeah, modest crashes on my inbox of 2k emails Jan 11 06:51:30 i have to use claws :/ Jan 11 06:52:30 The funny thing with modest is that, even though i've setup 2 accounts in it, i only see one Jan 11 06:53:08 But it notifies me if i get mail on the second Jan 11 06:53:51 So at the moment i am using gmail with the browser Jan 11 06:54:02 Not very nice Jan 11 06:54:54 yeah Jan 11 06:55:03 it refused to get email from my other account as well :/ Jan 11 06:55:10 err, rather, same symptom Jan 11 06:55:50 But it'll get better, it's only a matter of time Jan 11 06:56:04 yeah Jan 11 06:56:36 I think modest displays only one acount at a time Jan 11 06:56:50 you have to switch from one to the other manually Jan 11 06:57:02 How? Jan 11 06:57:09 it will download emails from both though Jan 11 06:57:37 it's somewhere in the menu >.< I removed it after 2 hours so I do not rememeber Jan 11 06:57:48 maybe under 'view' Jan 11 06:57:48 Just make the 2nd default, or? Jan 11 06:58:05 nope, I think you can switch Jan 11 06:58:19 what's claws? Jan 11 06:58:22 I remember going: "ahhhhh" Jan 11 06:58:29 Ok, i'll give it another try :-) Jan 11 06:58:40 Brb Jan 11 06:58:46 "claws' is an email client Jan 11 06:58:46 also, I'm trying to install gnokii, which depends on adduser, which doesn't appear to be available Jan 11 06:58:53 anyone know what the deal is there? Jan 11 06:59:04 you want phonelink right? Jan 11 07:00:17 gnokii will not install but libgnokii is already there Jan 11 07:00:53 I'm trying to get GPRS working with my moto slvr (works fine from my debian linux laptop) Jan 11 07:01:01 thought maybe I could use gnokii to debug some of it Jan 11 07:01:10 really shooting in the dark Jan 11 07:01:10 I see Jan 11 07:01:24 I have GPRS working on my V3 Jan 11 07:01:51 it worked at the first try, so I don't really know how to help Jan 11 07:01:52 Isn't the left-hand bar on Modest where you select the account? Jan 11 07:02:09 what's a V3? Jan 11 07:02:21 moto RAZR V3 Jan 11 07:02:40 There i see only account1 and the mail local on N810 Jan 11 07:02:47 GeneralAntilles: it shows my accounts and all the imap folders in my accounts Jan 11 07:03:22 The early preview betas were actually more stable for me for some reason. Jan 11 07:03:31 It's gonna be good once they finish it up, though. Jan 11 07:03:48 Yeah Jan 11 07:04:02 I am reinstalling it Jan 11 07:04:16 just to check Iiiiiiiif I remember correctly Jan 11 07:04:25 Cool Jan 11 07:05:04 okay commited to OS2008 now Jan 11 07:05:28 yes it's under 'view' Jan 11 07:05:42 Panzerboy, how are you IRCing from your n8x0? SSH, or an actual client? Jan 11 07:05:47 at the bottom you can select one of your many accounts Jan 11 07:06:04 I'm on IRC via ssh/screen/irssi Jan 11 07:06:09 xchat, built-in, Pidgin Jan 11 07:06:15 jalen he probably installed the rtcomm update for OS2008 Jan 11 07:06:19 Jalen: from pidgin Jan 11 07:06:23 ah ok Jan 11 07:06:37 lol - ok, got a few answers there, heh Jan 11 07:06:38 wait, rtcomm... is that related to bluetooth serial? Jan 11 07:06:38 I am irc-ing from the builtin client Jan 11 07:06:44 I have the rtcomm update but pidgin is cooler Jan 11 07:06:59 See u guys latter, gotta go to work Jan 11 07:07:26 no hachi, I think it is the name for the OS2008 communication subsys Jan 11 07:07:43 (it confused me too the first time I saw it) Jan 11 07:13:04 rtcomm irc is a little underfeatured Jan 11 07:13:07 Pidgin is just lame Jan 11 07:13:11 xchat is the way to go. Jan 11 07:14:13 ds3: mentally committed? or the flasher is going? :P Jan 11 07:14:22 is there an os2008 version? :P Jan 11 07:14:34 yes Jan 11 07:14:36 beta, but yeah Jan 11 07:14:43 xchat chinook skyhusker Jan 11 07:14:47 should pull it up for you on google Jan 11 07:15:04 Jalen2, it's hardly beta Jan 11 07:15:08 It's never crashed on me. ;) Jan 11 07:15:20 ok, so just not added to the repos yet Jan 11 07:15:37 the deb on his site is still listed as beta Jan 11 07:16:01 http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ Jan 11 07:16:55 yep, I found it but thanks :) Jan 11 07:17:45 I definetly need a stowaway now :) Jan 11 07:23:45 do any of the mail clients on maemo support offline operation? Jan 11 07:23:58 offline imap Jan 11 07:24:26 modest appears not to... and just crashed Jan 11 07:24:50 Yeah, i would also like that Jan 11 07:25:08 I am not connected all the time unfortunately Jan 11 07:25:31 I suppose modest will ... Some day Jan 11 07:25:54 and claws doesn't let me do multiple accounts at the same time Jan 11 07:25:58 Laters guys Jan 11 07:29:01 has anybody tried KDE for the internet tablet? Jan 11 07:29:06 rm_you: flasher done. configuring unit now Jan 11 07:29:32 :P Jan 11 07:31:19 hmm the default repositories don't include openssh or dropbear :( Jan 11 07:32:10 Do too. Jan 11 07:32:14 openssh, anyway. Jan 11 07:32:17 At least they DID. Jan 11 07:32:20 extras Jan 11 07:32:22 let me look again Jan 11 07:33:16 nope, not in the browse installable apps Jan 11 07:36:56 Hmm Jan 11 07:37:00 You have Extras enabled, right? Jan 11 07:37:03 found out why Jan 11 07:37:06 Maybe it's in bora extras. Jan 11 07:37:18 I know I installed it right after I installed OS2008, though. Jan 11 07:37:26 extras is listed in the catalogs but it is disabled by default unlike OS2007 where it is not listed and I have to add it Jan 11 07:37:52 You didn't have Extras enabled. :P Jan 11 07:38:07 didn't expect them to provide repositories that aren't enabled! Jan 11 07:38:15 Hehe Jan 11 07:38:16 :P Jan 11 07:38:17 Worst part, though Jan 11 07:38:27 is that it'll come disabled even if you restore from backup Jan 11 07:38:39 so you have to make sure to re-enable it before restoring applications. <_< Jan 11 07:38:50 oh that sucks Jan 11 07:39:05 i thought restoring a backup just BROKE 2008 anyway Jan 11 07:39:12 map download is slow Jan 11 07:45:38 rm_you, no, certain 2007 backups messed things up. Jan 11 07:45:47 Like having the browse engine set to Opera and whatnot. Jan 11 07:46:35 fwiw, my backup was actually from the second release of OS2007, and it worked fine. Jan 11 07:47:22 hrm Jan 11 07:47:52 i'm playing it safe and not doing a restore... might unzip and scp things back over though Jan 11 08:19:49 ¨:( Jan 11 08:19:53 play.com price is up Jan 11 08:20:59 anyone built git or svn packages for maemo yet? Jan 11 08:23:51 hachi: see gronmayer in topic? Jan 11 08:25:50 timely: do you know how that is pronounced? Jan 11 08:25:57 timely: i've been curious :P Jan 11 08:26:10 not formally Jan 11 08:26:13 Gron Mayer? G. Ron Mayer? Jan 11 08:26:19 not even close? :P Jan 11 08:26:29 lol Jan 11 08:26:39 he's german Jan 11 08:26:51 is it his name? Jan 11 08:27:10 http://www.gronmayer.com/gronmayer/kontakt.html Jan 11 08:27:29 timely: yeah... there's no matches there, that's why I was asking Jan 11 08:28:01 hachi: you want to use git/svn on a device? Jan 11 08:28:09 yup Jan 11 08:28:20 why? Jan 11 08:28:47 ...why not? :) Jan 11 08:28:50 cause I'd love to keep copies of my work on it, and be able to pull trunk Jan 11 08:29:03 it's his last name Jan 11 08:29:12 * timely has his first name in an email Jan 11 08:29:14