**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jan 15 02:59:57 2008 Jan 15 03:00:01 I used a modified mini-A cable that switched automatically Jan 15 03:00:36 I modified a mini-A cable to have a female connector rather than a male connector Jan 15 03:00:45 I'm trying to plug in a USB flash drive but its not doing anything Jan 15 03:01:21 u sure its a mini-A? it wont fit in the mini-B slot in the n800 without mods Jan 15 03:01:38 er, sorry... Jan 15 03:01:55 I basically took the USB cable that came with the N800, hacked off the end, and soldered on a female connector Jan 15 03:02:15 ah - then u definately need to switch manually Jan 15 03:02:21 before connecting cable Jan 15 03:02:42 by just echoing host into that path? Jan 15 03:02:47 or is there something else? Jan 15 03:03:20 nope should just be the echo - check the path is right Jan 15 03:03:54 it is.. Jan 15 03:03:58 hmm Jan 15 03:04:19 do I need extra kernel modules to handle usb storage devices? or a modified kernel? Jan 15 03:04:33 nope os2008 is fine Jan 15 03:04:38 u did flash right? Jan 15 03:04:40 yeah Jan 15 03:04:43 * petergunn brb Jan 15 03:04:51 I flashed os2008 on it a few nights ago Jan 15 03:04:58 the latest image Jan 15 03:05:09 only thing I notice is this... Jan 15 03:05:20 when I echo host, and then cat that file, it says 'a_wait_bcon' Jan 15 03:05:26 then I plug the cable in with a USB flash drive attached Jan 15 03:05:30 and it changes to 'a_idle' Jan 15 03:05:31 but thats it Jan 15 03:08:57 echo host> /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode Jan 15 03:09:08 yeah that's what I'm doing Jan 15 03:09:16 not what u wrote before Jan 15 03:09:24 ahh Jan 15 03:09:33 yeah I wrote that from memory Jan 15 03:09:35 I meant _ Jan 15 03:09:45 u doig it as root right? Jan 15 03:09:48 yup Jan 15 03:10:31 might be worth trying the wiki scripts Jan 15 03:10:32 http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=HOWTO:_USB_Host_mode_on_the_N800_using_OS_2008 Jan 15 03:10:42 Host.sh Jan 15 03:12:42 u sure u wired it right? Jan 15 03:12:57 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=117499&highlight=a_wait_bcon#post117499 Jan 15 03:14:10 petergunn: you said something about an auto switching cable before (?) Jan 15 03:14:23 can you clarify or tell me more, pls Jan 15 03:14:45 Yup on n800s u can use a modified mini-A usb cable Jan 15 03:14:53 just modify the end so it fits in the slot Jan 15 03:15:19 or use a mini-B (like the one you got with the n800) and short pins 4+5 Jan 15 03:15:36 just plug in and go Jan 15 03:16:21 u just reminded me - was going to plug in a usb->net to see what happens Jan 15 03:20:04 thanks, petergunn Jan 15 03:20:24 now I will have to refresh my memory about what is the difference between mini a and mini b cables Jan 15 03:20:29 not enuf power for usb->net :/ Jan 15 03:20:41 (i.e. I want to figure our *why* it works automatically) Jan 15 03:21:02 mini-a is white end doesnt fit into mini-b without mod (i.e. file it down a bit on the sides) Jan 15 03:21:27 mini-a has pin-5 shorted to pin-4 - os2008 detects and switches to host mode Jan 15 03:23:03 cheers Jan 15 03:38:45 hm, no luck Jan 15 03:39:05 anyone recommend a good hosting company? with lots of bandwidth at a low price :) Jan 15 03:40:36 there's no way to just plug the n800 into a hub and use that for usb host mode is there? Jan 15 03:55:46 while you can plug it into a hub, hubs are not hosts Jan 15 04:05:29 kriebel: have you tested with a hub? The OTG chipset isn't *supposed* to support hubs. I had little luck in my tests. Jan 15 04:05:56 lophyte: you can set it to host mode via sysfs Jan 15 04:06:18 lophyte: find /sys -name \*musb\* .. I forget the exact path. Jan 15 04:08:27 anybody know if the NuvoPearl theme was ever ported to OS2008 Jan 15 04:08:48 Not so far Jan 15 04:09:00 beautiful theme that was Jan 15 04:09:12 Plankton is better. :P Jan 15 04:09:26 I do like Plankton I have to say myself Jan 15 04:17:56 The built-in themes in OS2008 are the first ones that haven't been completely awful. Jan 15 05:06:56 Does anybody have the orginal RSS FEEDs that nokia preintalled? Jan 15 05:14:16 hell? Jan 15 05:14:31 sorry about that Jan 15 05:31:22 anyone have an idea how long an n810 lasts once battery is 'low' ? Jan 15 05:31:25 brand new Jan 15 05:31:45 I suppose I could ssh into it and see if there are acpi battery stats Jan 15 05:35:12 click the battery icon and it will give an estimate Jan 15 06:16:47 http://intr.overt.org/2.2008.50-mmc-kernel/ Jan 15 06:21:38 Hmmm... ok, I changed the machine name in /etc/hosts (but not in hostname) ... now, I can't do a sudo gainroot to change it back, since it comes back with "unable to lookup (oldhostname) via gethostbyname()" .. any recommendations? Jan 15 06:21:55 I've restored from my last backup, that didn't help Jan 15 06:24:09 * qnr tries booting from flash to see if he can mount and edit the mmc card that holds /etc Jan 15 06:27:51 setting a fake dns server that would give the old hostnampe ip ? Jan 15 06:28:19 hmmm Jan 15 06:31:15 well, currently, it doesn't the ip address is assigned to the wireless access point :/ not to the n800 Jan 15 06:32:16 well, I could figure this out, but I've been putting off installing OS2008 on that card... I should probably do that now that things are a little mixed up Jan 15 07:03:14 is there a reason why xmame for maemo is at 0.58 and the version made available on the xmame site is at 0.106? Jan 15 07:07:31 For future reference, I was able to gain root by rapidly scrolling up and hitting return a number of times (took many more times because the last command in my root history was "reboot" lol ) Jan 15 08:14:28 unique311: the 0.58 is the last version before some changes which made emulation more accurate but slower Jan 15 08:14:36 this version is often used on low end machines Jan 15 08:16:43 ok Jan 15 08:17:06 no roms work on this version Jan 15 08:17:54 well, they can be found, or you can possibly convert yours using clrmamepro and a 0.58 dat file Jan 15 08:19:24 some do work Jan 15 08:20:22 clrmamepro Jan 15 08:20:25 cool Jan 15 08:20:29 now this dat file Jan 15 08:20:34 i've been looking for it Jan 15 08:20:38 hmm 0.36 was the old version I was thinking of, but I assume it's the same reason with 0.58 Jan 15 08:20:38 can't located it Jan 15 08:20:45 maybe thats my problem, huh Jan 15 08:20:56 usually the same shady places where you can find roms :P Jan 15 08:21:14 so it doesn't come with the DAT file Jan 15 08:21:15 also, there's something called rollback sets which will contain any missing roms to make your new sets into the old sets Jan 15 08:21:15 ok Jan 15 08:21:19 still need the dat Jan 15 08:21:49 and the DAT goes in /usr/share/games/xmame? Jan 15 08:22:08 no it's used with clrmamepro which is a windows program Jan 15 08:22:11 it does work in wine though Jan 15 08:22:58 will give it a try Jan 15 08:23:00 thanks Jan 15 08:28:59 maemo-launcher on my n810 is taking up 100% of the cpu, how can I figure out what's causing this? Jan 15 08:30:28 strace is showing it talking over dbus to flash the led Jan 15 08:30:51 it's probably invoking the builtin email client ;) Jan 15 08:31:08 I think it's invoking modest Jan 15 08:31:40 I invoke panic :/ Jan 15 08:32:08 well, this isn't good at all... I reduced my inbox to 1200 messages total and it still can't handle it? Jan 15 08:33:09 modest does not use maemo-launcher Jan 15 08:33:27 the builtin email client has no config Jan 15 08:33:54 well, whatever maemo-launcher is doing, it's not starting modest Jan 15 08:34:02 {"\31\0\0\0PatternCommunicationEmail\0", 30} Jan 15 08:34:10 modest is running, and I just rebooted it Jan 15 08:34:12 didn't launch Jan 15 08:36:01 oooh, notifications.db Jan 15 08:36:13 I can customize my colors using sqlite Jan 15 08:36:27 hi Jan 15 08:37:04 stupid question: how can I install libreadline5-dev inside scratchbox ( ARM target ) *quickly* ? Jan 15 08:53:12 how is claws-mail for usability? Jan 15 08:54:10 It's fine. Jan 15 08:54:12 Little heavy Jan 15 08:54:15 but it works well. Jan 15 08:54:51 well, modest is causing maemo-launcher to take up tons of cpu :\ Jan 15 08:55:06 can't figure out why it was taking up so much cpu Jan 15 08:55:44 the strace wasn't showing all that many dbus calls being made.... it was spending a lot of time doing an internal calculation Jan 15 08:56:11 oh you are kidding me Jan 15 08:56:17 I have ltrace on this platform? Jan 15 09:14:54 anyone got pand working on OS 2008? Jan 15 09:27:35 Hi! I just discovered the dmsetool on my N770 device. Is the source code for this application available? Jan 15 09:29:56 Java-Jim, no. Jan 15 09:30:47 GeneralAntilles: Ah, too bad. Jan 15 09:31:46 Verily Jan 15 09:33:26 There's "powertool" which is an open source replacement, IIRC Jan 15 09:35:15 Jaffa: Do you have an URL for that? "powertool" is a little too generic for Google... :) Jan 15 09:36:05 how usable is the SDK+ now? Jan 15 09:36:27 I tried a simple project and it was fine, but the build compat list on the SDK+ project page say 30% of packages in maemo repository fail... Jan 15 09:38:48 Java-Jim: powerlaunch, sorry. Seems to replace mce rather than dsme: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/users/32773?search_string=mce;#32773 Jan 15 09:39:02 anyone have scummvm games working? I dug out my old samnmax floppies and can't get it going :) Jan 15 09:39:34 Sam and mac cd version works for me Jan 15 09:39:49 I never found the CDRom edition for sale Jan 15 09:39:53 was it full talkie? Jan 15 09:40:10 yes, I think so Jan 15 09:42:27 hachi: *cough* torrents *cough* Jan 15 09:49:26 do I have to do something to make talkie work on the maemo build? Jan 15 09:49:30 or is it disabled? Jan 15 09:50:03 Jaffa: Thank you! Jan 15 09:50:57 it worked out of the box for me Jan 15 09:51:08 okie Jan 15 09:51:11 uncompress it of course Jan 15 09:51:20 uncompress the audio? Jan 15 09:51:36 no the archive with the game in it Jan 15 09:51:39 I just have a MONSTER.SOU Jan 15 09:51:45 that's fine Jan 15 09:51:55 yeah, I actually own the games still, so no need :) Jan 15 09:52:10 I pointed SCUMMVM at the directory with the game and it recognized the game and version Jan 15 09:52:48 I own it too :) but it's in some drawer on the other side of the planet xD Jan 15 09:55:07 so, there's map data on the mmc that came with the device, am I able to get that data again later, or should I back it up? Jan 15 09:56:38 oh, apparently the talkie part is missing at the beginning of the game Jan 15 09:57:52 You can download it again. Jan 15 10:03:44 I thought this device couldn't play vorbis files natively, but then the mapping application has all its audio encoded in vorbis? Jan 15 10:04:14 or is the media player app just dumb that way? Jan 15 10:05:38 hachi, well it's software Jan 15 10:21:15 Hi Jan 15 10:23:02 Hi Jan 15 10:24:14 hi Jan 15 10:25:23 Hi Jan 15 10:30:11 EHLO Jan 15 10:44:07 hachi> 501 Syntax: EHLO hostname Jan 15 10:44:24 :) Jan 15 10:57:44 anyone followed this guide to install KDE on SD > http://www.thisweekinnuclear.com/KDEonN800.html Jan 15 10:57:50 * mardi_ is a bit stuck Jan 15 10:58:13 where are you stuck ? Jan 15 10:58:35 these commands fail > Jan 15 10:58:36 # insmod /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/mbcache.ko Jan 15 10:58:36 # insmod /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/ext2.ko Jan 15 10:58:52 with "file exists" message Jan 15 10:59:29 N800, OS2008, 4GB card in external slot Jan 15 10:59:32 mardi_: then these kernel modules are already loaded into the kernel. Jan 15 10:59:36 probably means the modules are already loaded Jan 15 10:59:42 mardi_: "lsmod" should show you them. Jan 15 10:59:50 mkdir /opt/ then says "cannot create" Jan 15 10:59:55 are you root ? Jan 15 11:00:11 SSH'ed in, logged in as root Jan 15 11:00:39 uh .. don't put a trailing / on Jan 15 11:00:44 so mkdir /opt Jan 15 11:00:50 maybe Jan 15 11:01:04 same message Jan 15 11:01:17 hum :Z Jan 15 11:01:28 lsmod output.. Jan 15 11:01:30 Nokia-N800-50-2:~# lsmod Jan 15 11:01:30 Module Size Used by Jan 15 11:01:30 ext2 51080 0 - Live 0xbf085000 Jan 15 11:01:30 ext3 107304 0 - Live 0xbf069000 Jan 15 11:01:30 jbd 51592 1 ext3, Live 0xbf05b000 Jan 15 11:01:31 mbcache 7108 2 ext2,ext3, Live 0xbf058000 Jan 15 11:01:33 g_file_storage 27560 0 - Live 0xbf050000 Jan 15 11:01:35 cx3110x 56200 0 - Live 0xbf041000 Jan 15 11:01:37 umac 258788 1 cx3110x, Live 0xbf000000 (P) Jan 15 11:01:39 Nokia-N800-50-2:~# Jan 15 11:02:03 well they're loaded Jan 15 11:02:08 do you have space on / Jan 15 11:02:31 could you please explain "space on /" Jan 15 11:02:51 do you have space on the device Jan 15 11:03:03 what does df -h |grep 4 show you ? Jan 15 11:05:47 Nokia-N800-50-2:~# df -h |grep 4 Jan 15 11:05:48 none 512.0k 92.0k 420.0k 18% /mnt/initfs/tmp Jan 15 11:05:48 none 512.0k 92.0k 420.0k 18% /tmp Jan 15 11:06:04 Nokia-N800-50-2:~# /dev/mtdblock4 2.0M 2.0M 0 100% /mnt/initfs Jan 15 11:06:05 -sh: /dev/mtdblock4: Permission denied Jan 15 11:06:05 Nokia-N800-50-2:~# none 512.0k 92.0k 420.0k 18% /mnt/initfs/tmp Jan 15 11:06:05 -sh: none: not found Jan 15 11:06:05 Nokia-N800-50-2:~# /dev/mtdblock4 251.5M 228.2M 23.3M 91% / Jan 15 11:06:05 -sh: /dev/mtdblock4: Permission denied Jan 15 11:06:07 Nokia-N800-50-2:~# none 512.0k 92.0k 420.0k 18% /tmp Jan 15 11:06:09 -sh: none: not found Jan 15 11:06:11 Nokia-N800-50-2:~# Jan 15 11:07:22 ok - so you have 23.3 mb free on / Jan 15 11:07:26 which should be ok Jan 15 11:07:51 which line tells you that? Jan 15 11:07:59 Nokia-N800-50-2:~# /dev/mtdblock4 251.5M 228.2M 23.3M 91% / Jan 15 11:08:00 ahh, I see Jan 15 11:08:25 should I worry about the permission denied messages? Jan 15 11:08:32 no Jan 15 11:08:48 I don;t think so Jan 15 11:09:00 hmm.. I don't see why you wouldn't be able to make that dir :( Jan 15 11:09:03 so that 256mb is the memoy in the N800? Jan 15 11:09:08 yup Jan 15 11:09:12 Uhh, what did you paste?? Jan 15 11:09:37 and the 512? is that the partition I created on the SD card? Jan 15 11:09:47 no - that's 512k Jan 15 11:09:56 opps Jan 15 11:10:04 not sure where the sd card is - you should try the same df -h but don't put the grep in Jan 15 11:10:10 and don't paste all the output ;) Jan 15 11:10:25 use pastebin.ca for large pastes Jan 15 11:10:46 Did you paste your df output to your shell and pasted output of that here? =D Jan 15 11:10:48 can you paste the output of the command "mount" to pastebin ? Jan 15 11:10:57 Dist, aye :| Jan 15 11:13:15 df -h does not show much :/ Jan 15 11:14:44 /dev/mmcblk0p1 3.7G 3.1G 651.1M 83% /media/mmc2 Jan 15 11:14:50 I see that on mine for my SD card Jan 15 11:14:52 re Jan 15 11:14:53 http://pastebin.ca/855895 Jan 15 11:15:38 ok your sd card isn't mounted Jan 15 11:15:45 have you tried removing it and inserting it again ? Jan 15 11:16:06 though that still doesn't explain why you can't mkdir /opt/ :| Jan 15 11:16:22 oh duh - it already exists Jan 15 11:16:29 thats probably why :D Jan 15 11:16:38 do an ls / Jan 15 11:16:46 and you should see a directory called opt Jan 15 11:16:53 if so - skip that mkdir step :) Jan 15 11:17:29 doh! Jan 15 11:17:53 when I was trying it actually on the device I did check with ls and there was no opt Jan 15 11:18:05 but yes from remote SSH there is opt Jan 15 11:18:07 you might need some more space on / though for kde Jan 15 11:18:29 so you might need to remove some programs (or things like the pdf manuals / demo video) Jan 15 11:19:08 just rebooting it Jan 15 11:20:34 did I do the right this to partition 4gb SD with 3.5 and 0.5 partitions? Jan 15 11:21:01 I think so - but I've not installed kde on mine Jan 15 11:21:40 thanks - just uninstalling stuff Jan 15 11:24:08 on shutdown, get a message saying memory card corrupt or unformatted :/ Jan 15 11:24:11 Hi again Jan 15 11:24:13 so is anybody using sardine? Jan 15 11:24:28 and now not seeing the boot menu Jan 15 11:24:34 good morning Jan 15 11:24:38 michele_> last time it was a total failure :) Jan 15 11:24:59 michele_> why ? Jan 15 11:26:06 mardi_, :(I Jan 15 11:26:14 start again? Jan 15 11:27:05 Khertan: just wondering how stable it was Jan 15 11:28:03 mardi_, you'll need to partition it and format it Jan 15 11:28:28 ok - brb Jan 15 11:37:23 Khertan: don't you have a repository for your packages? Jan 15 11:43:30 yay! card looks properly formatted Jan 15 11:43:45 still cannot do the mkdir /opt/ though :/ http://pastebin.ca/855908 Jan 15 11:43:58 because it's already there Jan 15 11:44:20 you're doing ls in /home/user Jan 15 11:44:21 but ls does not show it ? Jan 15 11:44:22 not in / Jan 15 11:44:25 do cd / Jan 15 11:44:25 ls / Jan 15 11:44:28 and then ls Jan 15 11:44:34 ahh, I see Jan 15 11:44:46 so continue and don't worry about it then I guess Jan 15 11:44:56 yah Jan 15 11:44:59 also, pwd tells you what dir you are in now Jan 15 12:28:23 how does gpsdriver start getting a fix -- does gpsd do some voodoo or what? Jan 15 12:33:53 gpsd is started when a program requests to use it. Jan 15 12:34:07 The GPS module is then activated and it's the module that gets the fix. Jan 15 12:39:16 <|tbb|> alterego: even if its not fix ;) Jan 15 12:39:24 gpsd conflicts with maemo mapper, doesn't it? Jan 15 12:41:14 No, Jan 15 12:41:20 maemo mapper uses gpsd. Jan 15 12:43:14 <|tbb|> its really neat switching between map(or navap) and maemo-mapper and both works Jan 15 12:44:16 Yeah Jan 15 12:44:34 maemo-mapper is awesome :) Jan 15 12:44:48 hmm Jan 15 12:44:48 alterego, thanks. I'm wondering _how_ the module gets activated Jan 15 12:45:00 when I tried telling maemo-mapper to use gpsd, it didn't find one Jan 15 12:45:02 jku, that would be a driver issue. Jan 15 12:45:15 mgedmin, it needs to be started by the 'map' application. Jan 15 12:45:19 that sucks Jan 15 12:45:24 Or something else that knows how to activate it. Jan 15 12:45:26 I have to start maps so that I can use maemo-mapper? Jan 15 12:45:49 The author of maemo-mapper hasn't had a chance to play with gpsd activation on maemo. Jan 15 12:46:13 I can't see anything that would activate the driver in gpsd... Jan 15 12:46:14 where is it documented, btw? Jan 15 12:46:48 In the maemo documentation section. Jan 15 12:47:07 and libgpsmgr sources are missing again, so I don't know if it's in there actually Jan 15 12:47:18 Yes, it'll be in there. Jan 15 12:47:25 More than likely anyhow. Jan 15 12:47:35 alterego, in libgpsmgr? Jan 15 12:48:00 Probably, I don't see why it matters though .. Jan 15 12:49:22 grrrrrrrr Jan 15 12:49:56 buggy usb host on keyboard Jan 15 12:49:59 I want to use another gps daemon, in which case I don't need libgpsmgr... Jan 15 12:51:08 <|tbb|> mgedmin: you dont need to start map application Jan 15 12:51:16 <|tbb|> do you got a n810? Jan 15 12:51:19 n800 Jan 15 12:51:26 bluetooth gps Jan 15 12:51:43 maemo-mapper connects to it, I get a popup 'enable gps'; if I click yes, maemo-mapper loses connection Jan 15 12:52:20 <|tbb|> ah, k then i dont know. on n810 you have to just leave the bluetooth mac address empty and anything works fine Jan 15 12:55:55 http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q187/Cptnodegard/PICT0111.jpg Jan 15 12:57:26 Time to clean your screen. :P Jan 15 12:57:44 nah time to take pics without flash Jan 15 12:58:00 looks great Jan 15 12:58:07 but the "usb kb disables onscreen kb" bug is killing me Jan 15 12:58:40 Does it come back after you unplug the keyboard? Jan 15 12:58:44 nop Jan 15 12:58:48 thats the bug Jan 15 12:59:07 Anything on bugzilla about it? Jan 15 12:59:39 theres a thread on ITT about it where someone is asking to bugzilla it, but i dont know fi they did Jan 15 13:02:47 wee. Jan 15 13:03:27 <--got his n810. 24 1/2 hour from the courier got it until it was in my hands. That's Jan 15 13:03:33 not too bad. Jan 15 13:04:13 kjøpt fra hvor? Jan 15 13:04:20 og pris Jan 15 13:05:32 Nokia, 379 euro pluss frakt etc. Jan 15 13:05:42 (shippet fra Belgia) Jan 15 13:05:48 au Jan 15 13:05:49 toll Jan 15 13:05:58 jepp. toll blir det. Jan 15 13:06:15 det er jo... 3200. med toll blir det mer enn den koster på cdon o0 Jan 15 13:06:39 <|tbb|> where to get the n800 that cheap as you can get it in the us states? Jan 15 13:07:07 The buy.com offer seems to beat everything else.. Jan 15 13:07:24 <|tbb|> where in europe btw Jan 15 13:07:43 i dont even want a n810 xD Jan 15 13:07:53 not enough memory Jan 15 13:08:10 have a 16GB adata card on the way from the us, and a 8gb in it Jan 15 13:08:18 for n800 Jan 15 13:08:21 Yeah, heard that several times. What exactly are you putting in the card? Jan 15 13:08:38 putting in the card? Jan 15 13:08:43 <- n810 £280 (through work, VAT free) Jan 15 13:08:46 i bet porn :) Jan 15 13:08:50 ah Jan 15 13:08:51 lol Jan 15 13:08:53 tv shows Jan 15 13:08:53 On. Typo, i and o being next to each other.. Jan 15 13:09:05 since you dont need to convert them i need the etxra space ^^ Jan 15 13:09:17 hmmm i am _3 Jan 15 13:09:18 lcuk_3: I've seen it on buy.com for ~350$ (!) last week. Jan 15 13:09:46 What does a n800 cost these days" Jan 15 13:09:47 ? Jan 15 13:09:48 blah - i was gonna get from there but then thought i would be better direct from nokia - since i get work related discount i am ok Jan 15 13:09:49 Cptnodegard: Okay, so not relevant for me. I don't own a TV nor am I interested in movies etc. Jan 15 13:10:44 I do have an n800 in addition. Jan 15 13:11:01 don't expect to get rid of it, but time will tell which one will get used :) Jan 15 13:11:03 (most) Jan 15 13:11:13 TV shows, movies, music, audio books, podcasts, ebooks, games, etc. Jan 15 13:11:24 ...a debian chroot Jan 15 13:11:27 Filling up two SD cards is an easy task. Jan 15 13:12:04 audio books take too long, but at least you can read them whilst driving Jan 15 13:12:17 nah not music Jan 15 13:12:23 * lcuk_3 once tried using isolo whilst driving. never again i kept losing my page Jan 15 13:12:25 n800 sounds like CRAP with headphones Jan 15 13:12:30 I tried to listen to an audio book once and the guy reading it drove me crazy in like 10 minutes Jan 15 13:12:39 Bull, Cptnodegard. Jan 15 13:12:41 but the internal speakers pwns Jan 15 13:13:02 i compared it directly to my mp3 player, until you do the same you dont know how bad it sounds Jan 15 13:13:07 audio books are great on long car trips. Jan 15 13:13:11 the 810 headphones are almost silent unless i press the little button on it Jan 15 13:13:15 I still say bull Jan 15 13:13:19 is it something on all of them or am i the only one Jan 15 13:13:29 Cptnodegard, mine sounds fine through headphones but I am not what one would describe as an audiophile... Jan 15 13:13:37 I've compared it directly on my receiver, on an iPod and on the N800. Jan 15 13:13:44 Good set up Shures. Jan 15 13:13:52 lol ipod Jan 15 13:13:54 explains it Jan 15 13:13:58 Okay, all the media stuff is irrelevant to me, I want it to play with linux development and to access the net everywhere. Jan 15 13:14:08 It wasn't mine. Jan 15 13:14:18 lol @ disowning ipod Jan 15 13:14:38 i have an a/b switch so i connect both players playing same song simultaneousely to the same headphones and switch to and fro, only way to really compare sound Jan 15 13:14:38 a debian chroot still accounts for most of my used space on a 2GB SD card Jan 15 13:15:06 lcuk_3, not disowning Jan 15 13:15:11 just a statement of truth. :) Jan 15 13:15:37 Obviously anybody who buys or uses an iPod is an idiot. Jan 15 13:15:44 i know - the missus has a mini and whilst it sure looks good i wouldnt have one myself Jan 15 13:15:50 :O Jan 15 13:15:55 * lcuk_3 tells his missus Jan 15 13:16:02 At least according to Mr. Cptnodegard. Jan 15 13:16:07 lol Jan 15 13:16:14 I just don't have any need for a device like that. Jan 15 13:16:31 I can't stand wearing headphones in public places Jan 15 13:16:47 my ecperience is that fanboys are people who havent directly compared stuff Jan 15 13:16:49 and otherwise I'm either in my car with CDs or at home with my rig. Jan 15 13:16:51 you just use your n800 on your shoulder like a boombox Jan 15 13:16:54 thats why i hate ipod, because i have :p Jan 15 13:17:27 anyways i love the internal speakers on the n800 so much i use those instead,a mp3 player isnt much to have on the side. Jan 15 13:17:35 in car ipod connect = your entire library, home speakers = your library, mobile walking headphones = your library. ipod owns for the general user Jan 15 13:17:37 n800 speakers arent tinny like ex the psp Jan 15 13:17:57 Still no iPods that'll fit my library. Jan 15 13:18:17 160GB? Jan 15 13:18:17 so have you got it all on your n800? Jan 15 13:18:29 220GB right now Jan 15 13:18:48 well you *could* delete the britney stuff :P Jan 15 13:18:49 'course not, lcuk_3. Jan 15 13:18:50 n800 can theoretically take 96 Jan 15 13:18:59 lol Jan 15 13:19:01 2x 32 sdhc and a 32 gb usb stick Jan 15 13:19:07 Ha Jan 15 13:19:09 so only 124 to go :p Jan 15 13:19:16 Just use an external HD if you're gonna put as tick on it. . . . Jan 15 13:19:22 cpt - cant you get a battery powered hub and operate multiple usb sticks? Jan 15 13:19:49 better, yet, you can chain hubs Jan 15 13:19:52 sod it - just take your desktop and car battery with you Jan 15 13:19:59 lcuk_3 - technically you can :D Jan 15 13:20:02 and BT Jan 15 13:20:13 and a long network cable Jan 15 13:20:17 This is what makes me want a personal server Jan 15 13:20:38 i have a working USB battery device, also works with the ca100 for charging n800 Jan 15 13:20:40 I've got mediaserv set up on a server at my parent's house. Jan 15 13:20:45 Massive upstream Jan 15 13:20:52 Enough to stream full-quality movies. Jan 15 13:21:09 big drive, hostap (aka wifi ap), 3G, maybe bluetooth, and a big, big battery Jan 15 13:21:21 gen - speaking of usb - my keyboard foobared last night and wouldnt operate - i mashed the keyss and 810 rebooted (total crash) and then it worked again Jan 15 13:21:53 how much storage space does youtube have? Jan 15 13:22:00 A lot? Jan 15 13:22:07 plenty but the bitrate is awful Jan 15 13:22:29 and I keep having problems using youtube when I'm not connected to the internet :P Jan 15 13:22:33 how much storage does piratebay have? Jan 15 13:22:38 Evidently they store the videos on the servers in the same format they were uploaded in, so it'll get a lot better once they move to "HD". Jan 15 13:22:48 Very little, lcuk_3. Jan 15 13:22:49 lcuk: about nil. Jan 15 13:23:18 ok, how much remotely linked storage does piratebay provide access to? Jan 15 13:23:48 None, really. Jan 15 13:24:15 I think there is a middle ground between having a certain amount of "local cache" and a certain amount of stuff internet accesible Jan 15 13:24:19 it's all about latency Jan 15 13:24:41 The moderation approach, johnx. Very smooth. :P Jan 15 13:24:50 ffs @ pedants :P how much space would you need if you obtained and processed the torrents used by the piratebay servers Jan 15 13:25:07 * lcuk_3 feels like hes talkin to the RIAA Jan 15 13:25:28 thepiratebay? Well, since you can't actually get to most of the stuff they have, not much. :P Jan 15 13:25:53 also I like to have random access or at worst sequential access Jan 15 13:26:06 bittorrent is good for isos of linux distros Jan 15 13:26:38 johnx: not for mounting them though :P Jan 15 13:26:47 heh Jan 15 13:26:47 BT is great for well seeded files. the best seeded files are also the most legit ones Jan 15 13:27:34 lcuk_3, or the latest crappy cam of this weeks big blockbuster. Jan 15 13:27:36 jott, http://btslave.sourceforge.net/ if you're interested in mounting a .torrent Jan 15 13:28:02 GeneralAntilles, nahhhh things like that are always overloaded with leechers who drop things immediately after Jan 15 13:29:06 its nice to see the difference when downloading (as johnx said) a linux iso or other legit file to some popular cam Jan 15 13:29:58 johnx: heh nice... does this actually work? ;) Jan 15 13:30:14 jott, no idea. :D Jan 15 13:30:15 had to take a better pic for my own sake http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q187/Cptnodegard/n800sm.jpg Jan 15 13:30:47 makes me want to go find a nice small usb keyboard and the right cables to try this Jan 15 13:31:25 johnx - i wonder what the ladies think when you tell them yours is smaller than everyone elses Jan 15 13:31:26 Now it's underexposed. Jan 15 13:31:49 lcuk_3, I'll tell them it's "reverse compensation" Jan 15 13:31:54 http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/igobtkb.jpg Jan 15 13:32:05 That's smeckxier anyway. :P Jan 15 13:32:07 johnx - simplest cables is a standard female-female dongle. use your nokia supplied cable and the shell command Jan 15 13:32:39 I haven't seen the female-female dongle at a store actually Jan 15 13:32:57 GeneralAntilles, bt kb model...? Jan 15 13:33:02 and I don't have the Nokia cable because I got a compusa open box deal waaay back in March Jan 15 13:33:06 actually, any decent gadget-store with cables etc. should have them. Jan 15 13:33:07 iGo Jan 15 13:33:20 ah Jan 15 13:33:22 very nice Jan 15 13:33:45 I had the parts needed to access my dSLR via USB already :) Jan 15 13:33:49 found some on ebay but expensive shipping Jan 15 13:34:19 I have a mini-a cable from my zaurus but could Nokia bother to use a mini-a? nooooo...that would be too easy Jan 15 13:34:21 decent phone shopp stocking nokia stuff should have them Jan 15 13:34:57 nokia cable ca-101 Jan 15 13:35:16 but that's just a mini-b to A, right? Jan 15 13:36:05 yer believe so - do you want an automatic host mode cable? Jan 15 13:36:32 I was going for something smallish, hopefully pocketable Jan 15 13:36:34 (and do automatic bodged cables work with firmware upgrade) Jan 15 13:37:00 maybe one of those mini-b to A that have a built-in reel and a female-to-female Jan 15 13:37:11 yer its a bit of a monster long connection Jan 15 13:37:14 or someone had one that was all one piece I thought Jan 15 13:37:21 * lcuk_3 could skip with his Jan 15 13:37:31 or whack people :D Jan 15 13:37:47 INDIANA JONES STYLE :D Jan 15 13:38:37 anyway, back to the grind Jan 15 13:43:10 * jsmith-away wanders away... Jan 15 13:44:02 * czr peeks Jan 15 13:48:22 hmm. the internal flash - is it damned slow? tried to select the N810 demo movie, and it seems to take forever to start... Jan 15 13:48:52 (if not, something's broken?) Jan 15 13:48:56 it's slow...but it shouldn't be slow enough to be noticeable when playing a movie Jan 15 13:49:15 do you have high CPU or write-to-disk going on in the background? Jan 15 13:49:24 nope, nothing. Jan 15 13:49:53 it's fresh from box, nothing started, etc. Jan 15 13:50:08 that's unfortunate Jan 15 13:51:03 doesn't seem to start, video. Jan 15 13:54:27 'night all Jan 15 14:05:56 is there some patch to make canole or media player read album art? Jan 15 14:06:05 it annoys me as all my music is tagged Jan 15 14:10:03 nope, videos doesn't start. is the internal video player broken? Jan 15 14:10:57 on the n810? Jan 15 14:11:02 try mplayer Jan 15 14:11:06 internal one doesnt play shit Jan 15 14:11:44 well. Internal one *should* play the included demo videos? ;) Jan 15 14:11:50 it should indeed Jan 15 14:11:51 true :/ Jan 15 14:12:02 install that process info app aned see if something is stealing power Jan 15 14:12:05 reboot Jan 15 14:12:23 mm, ok. haven't rebooted since configuring. Jan 15 14:12:36 that might be it Jan 15 14:12:55 does the media player even start? Jan 15 14:13:12 media player starts, video doesn't. Jan 15 14:13:20 ah Jan 15 14:13:29 * alterego wonders when the sbox2 SDK will have X server support. Jan 15 14:13:42 alterego, meaning? Jan 15 14:13:44 and hi :-) Jan 15 14:14:17 czr, being able to run hildon desktop. Jan 15 14:14:24 And hello to you too. :P Jan 15 14:14:31 You know the famous line: Linux, where rebooting is for new hardware only. Jan 15 14:14:38 Well - your device _is_ new, right? ;) Jan 15 14:14:43 hah Jan 15 14:23:27 63 bucks shiopped for igo Jan 15 14:23:29 :/ Jan 15 14:46:45 hmm. btw, reboot worked. Jan 15 14:47:21 ^^ Jan 15 14:48:24 not sure if logging off/on (aka the off-button) would have worked, I decided to do it hard by removing battery ;) Jan 15 14:50:21 how do i install flash9 on 10.3.9? :( Jan 15 14:51:24 <|tbb|> :...( i lost my stylus Jan 15 14:51:48 oh nice, finder crashed Jan 15 14:51:54 |tbb| the box has two when you buy it, eh? Jan 15 14:52:01 Veggen, weird, but good that it fixed it. Jan 15 14:52:15 oops, wrong window Jan 15 14:54:13 * czr gives timely a better window Jan 15 14:54:44 czr: It does show that I come from a Linux world, not thinking of that as first solution ;) Jan 15 14:55:38 Veggen, indeed :-) Jan 15 15:00:04 What security features (encryption of data, or just password protecion of the devices) are there in the n8x0 ? I can't find any reference to that. Jan 15 15:01:09 <|tbb|> bmidgley: i know but if that is lost then? maybe buying a n900 then ;) Jan 15 15:01:26 there is possibility of a security code? cell phone style. Jan 15 15:06:25 yes Jan 15 15:08:49 I'm a bit confused on bluetooth headsets. I hear that when using mplayer, the sound is kinda choppy, but is this true for VOIP and can I use the headset's mic to talk (for VOIP)? Jan 15 15:12:47 Zetx: I don't know anything about mplayer, but I've used my little Jabra BT-150 for VoIP, and it worked just fine Jan 15 15:13:28 <||cw> Zetx: I think the choppiness depends on the codec and bitrate Jan 15 15:13:34 I tried using my jabra but I couldn't here anything. It works ok with the media player Jan 15 15:13:47 s,here,hear, Jan 15 15:14:09 "ok" as in, I can hear the choppy playback Jan 15 15:14:28 Alright. I suppose it's a work in progress, then >_> Jan 15 15:15:23 jsmith: did you set up something for the VOIP or did it just work? Jan 15 15:15:37 I've been considering the EEE and the n800, and will probably end up getting the n800 Jan 15 15:16:14 kulve: It just worked. Jan 15 15:16:29 kulve: This was on my shiny new n810... your mileage may vary Jan 15 15:16:31 Zetx: can you upgrade the eee somehow? Or add apps there? Or login with ssh as root? Jan 15 15:16:40 jsmith: n810 here too Jan 15 15:16:54 I need to test it again.. Jan 15 15:17:13 any OS2008 people here got a working synergy yet? Jan 15 15:18:05 <||cw> kulve: yes, the Eee is fully hackable, there's even an unofficial Ubuntu based distro for it Jan 15 15:18:30 ||cw: that's good to here. I think I saw some official(?) installation and it was pretty simple Jan 15 15:18:37 s,here,hear, again Jan 15 15:18:40 kulve: personally wouldn't want to upgrade the EEE's internal hardware myself since I have no soldering experience ^^; Jan 15 15:18:56 Zetx: I was talking about the sw :) Jan 15 15:18:59 <||cw> Zetx: if you get an Eee, go for the 4G, it has a mini-PCIe socket inside that the 2G doesn't have Jan 15 15:19:43 <||cw> there's even an 8GB SSD card for it Jan 15 15:20:29 <||cw> the 8G uses the mini-PCIe for the storage, with no on-board flash Jan 15 15:23:48 mm, I think I'll have to get an Eee too ;) (I'm a gadget-maniac, especially if it runs free OSes) Jan 15 15:24:10 but, I think I'll wait for the reputed norwegian launch. Jan 15 15:24:28 I think it's too small for a laptop and too big to be carried around. N810 is better :) Jan 15 15:24:36 depends highly on the needs, ofc Jan 15 15:25:35 well. It's small enough that it's not significantly extra space/weight in a backpack you already drag around? Jan 15 15:26:11 of course, tablets are better that way. But it'll depend on the features you need. Jan 15 15:27:50 some of my cons for the EEE was that the keyboard may be too small for me, so I could get another keyboard, but that'd defeat the whole small/portable thing... and the n800 would be smaller, even if I needed a BT keyboard Jan 15 15:30:09 I'd buy a 10inch EEE Jan 15 15:34:54 hi, is there sqlite3 for maemo 2008 Jan 15 15:35:30 anybody tried to build MokoFingerScroll on Maemo? Jan 15 15:35:44 where can i found the sqlite3 repository Jan 15 15:36:01 that would be nice and would hopefully put an end to thousands of ad-hoc implementations... Jan 15 15:38:14 <||cw> Zetx: I see the Eee fitting a different market segment that then nokias. if the nokias were x86 and had supported USB host controlers and more RAM, then maybe.... Jan 15 15:39:08 I can lug the n800 to a pub in my pocket. I would probably not do that with an Eee, but I can see it living in my backpack. Jan 15 15:39:33 nuragico: there is sqlite3 for maemo 2008. Jan 15 15:40:40 nuragico: i do not know where the repo is, but you can apt-get source it. Jan 15 15:40:41 Even in repository.maemo.org.. Jan 15 15:40:55 (not only in "repostory" or stage) Jan 15 15:41:05 need help! in usb networking. How to make sure my kernel has usbnet support? Jan 15 15:41:26 Veggen: personally, I've got a 17" laptop I use for "heavy" work (and a few games). Anything smaller has to compete - either it needs to be small enough (the n810) to be used anywhere or comfortable enough (*not* the Eee) to replace the 17" monster. Jan 15 15:41:55 there's no way I'd want to carry *three* computers around all the time :-) Jan 15 15:42:18 ccooke: I'm a bicycle man. Though laziness and winter has made me put away the bike for a while now. Jan 15 15:42:50 ccooke: weight on what I drag to work *is* an issue on bicycle :) I guess I could drag an Eee back and forth every day. Jan 15 15:43:01 Veggen: ah ha. Jan 15 15:44:00 *sigh* - continuity is needed to withstand winter for bicycling, this year I broke in late september or so. Last year, not even well sub-zero, snow and ice could stop me. Jan 15 15:44:34 lacking options is what you need Jan 15 15:44:44 it's easy to use the bike if it's the only choice Jan 15 15:45:01 glass: true. Jan 15 15:45:56 Help! anybody? How to make sure my kernel has usbnet support? Jan 15 15:46:06 glass: wish I could Jan 15 15:46:18 glass: I have a 30 minutes commute by car... Jan 15 15:46:28 I am trying to setup my N800 so I can debug it. Jan 15 15:48:57 i add repository.maemo.org but then i don't found sqlite3 Jan 15 15:49:40 add more repos Jan 15 15:49:57 I did lsmod | grep usbnet and did not get any results. How do I enable usbnet support? Jan 15 15:50:17 comes frome here: Jan 15 15:50:18 deb http://repository.maemo.org/ chinook free non-free Jan 15 15:50:18 deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/ chinook free Jan 15 15:50:26 lsmod is for loaded kernel modules Jan 15 15:50:46 maybe your option is compiled into the kernel itself Jan 15 15:50:57 uh... #openmoko has more users than #maemo... how unexpected Jan 15 15:51:21 library package name is libsqlite3-0 Jan 15 15:51:25 pskr, what exactly do you want to do? Jan 15 15:51:53 i do not have the "sqlite" binary tool on scratchboxn but it works with the debian based sqlite tool as long as it is v3, so, who cares ? Jan 15 15:51:57 michele_: not really: I think everyone who uses openmoko know about openmoko, but most N800 users just use it, unaware of what maemo is Jan 15 15:51:58 zoran: I want to debug applications on N800 Jan 15 15:52:17 zoran:using gdb from linux PC. Jan 15 15:52:19 huh, debugger could be tricky and memory consuming Jan 15 15:52:28 ah, on pc Jan 15 15:53:27 zoran: To do that, I need to setup usb networking. isn't it? Jan 15 15:53:43 Lynoure: good point Jan 15 15:54:01 pskr, or wifi Jan 15 15:54:02 hi folks, is there any known reason why i cannot mount my external card in linux? Jan 15 15:54:50 pskr, you have dump file? Jan 15 15:55:30 hi o/ Jan 15 15:55:38 Hmm, maemo repo is down :/ Jan 15 15:56:48 zoran: Aah..I don't know. How to check it? My app crashed with segmentation fault. Jan 15 15:57:15 it is arm, your debugger probably i386 Jan 15 15:57:24 no match, I think Jan 15 15:57:51 is there actually a gconf setting (or something else) to disable the "completion bar" on the n810 (that pops up when you start typing) Jan 15 15:57:55 In scratchbox, I can select the ARM target and debug, I suppose. Jan 15 15:58:05 why not Jan 15 15:58:17 I don't have scratchbox Jan 15 15:58:26 you could always try Jan 15 15:58:32 no harm Jan 15 15:58:41 zoran: do you know where in the device the core dump files are dumped? Jan 15 15:59:27 pskr, I thonk in working directory Jan 15 15:59:50 copy it to pc first, I think Jan 15 16:02:20 ah got it disabled :) Jan 15 16:03:01 anyone know where I can get some free icons for use in my Maemo app? I'd like a trash can and a refresh icon and would like to use "standard-ish" ones if possible. Jan 15 16:04:38 zoran: I could not find the dump. Any ideas? Jan 15 16:04:54 core.something Jan 15 16:06:02 What's a good price to ask for a used Nokia 770? Jan 15 16:06:40 $5 Jan 15 16:06:44 want to sell? Jan 15 16:07:09 um.. $80 - $100 ? Jan 15 16:07:22 or is that too much Jan 15 16:07:25 I don't do $ well Jan 15 16:07:30 You can get them new for around $120-$130, so scale accordingly Jan 15 16:08:12 michele_: #openmoko has more promise than #maemo, and less meat. Jan 15 16:08:39 zoran: I can't find it. Anyway thanks for the idea. So, you think I need to recompile the kernel to enable usbnet. Any pointers on how to do that? Jan 15 16:08:57 pskr, probably not Jan 15 16:09:14 people use host usb Jan 15 16:09:48 what find for "core*" shoes? Jan 15 16:10:01 *shows Jan 15 16:10:53 I hate to look a gift n810 discount in the mouth, but this one is getting a little long in the tooth. Jan 15 16:11:02 nothing. I searched in my home dir and /media (thinking it might dump in mmc1/2). Probably I need to enable something to generate core dump Jan 15 16:11:29 maybe no seg fault Jan 15 16:11:32 nelson: that's why I didn't expect that. ITs are actual, released "consumer" devices. OM phones aren't anywhere near that yet Jan 15 16:11:55 or you set coredumpsize to 0 Jan 15 16:12:16 ulimit -c unlimited? Jan 15 16:12:16 hmm, but consumers don't really use irc ;) Jan 15 16:13:03 yes, yes, but consumer means more exposure, which means more users, which means (usually) more people willing to hack stuff Jan 15 16:13:32 ah, you have a point ^^ Jan 15 16:13:37 this is one of the reasons I bough the 810: because I knew there'd be people hacking on it Jan 15 16:13:41 michele_: I think people are excited about being able to run their own code on their phone. Jan 15 16:13:55 * jsmith is certainly excited Jan 15 16:13:58 zoran: When I run my application from command line, it clearly says "Segmentation fault". How to change coredumpsize? Jan 15 16:14:21 ls Jan 15 16:14:22 pskr: Got to the commandline, and type "ulimit -c unlimited", then run your program Jan 15 16:14:22 michele_: unfortunately, OpenEmbedded is hard to turn into a stable system. Jan 15 16:14:23 * Zetx isn't aware of any openmoko phones, but has certainly not looked. at all. Jan 15 16:15:03 pskr, as I know core dump is set on on linux and bsd Jan 15 16:15:06 The PokyLinux.org folks are proving that OE *can* be tamed, but it's not a trivial task. Jan 15 16:15:29 maybe the size of dump is too high and the system stops the writting Jan 15 16:15:39 dunno Jan 15 16:16:05 did you include any line with warning messages Jan 15 16:16:19 nelson: poky is by o-hand right? so I think they've been hired to do that Jan 15 16:16:22 nelson: How does that relate to the status of the OM device? Jan 15 16:16:29 or set exit to something aside 0 Jan 15 16:16:47 jsmith:thanks. That did not work either. No core dumps are generated. I searched in my home dir, /media Jan 15 16:17:10 zoran: no. Jan 15 16:17:32 florian: I've been importing OM .bb files into PokyLinux, and .... they've proven to be buggy. Jan 15 16:17:37 hm, c? Jan 15 16:17:56 florian: plus you've got the chaos of openmoko binary releases. Jan 15 16:18:40 nelson: well.. but that's not the major problem of OM. OE would be a bad excuse. Jan 15 16:19:15 florian: oh, no, OE *is* the most visible problem of OM. It doesn't have to be that way, but it is. Jan 15 16:19:15 nelson: OE was used for a stable consumer device the first time in 2004. Jan 15 16:19:51 nelson: that's a bad excuse, just install an image and look at the sources. Jan 15 16:19:55 florian: it's possible to use OE to produce the same build twice in a row, but the most visible OE project doesn't do that. Jan 15 16:20:20 zoran: I did not get ur question. sorry Jan 15 16:20:39 nelson: that's true... but this does not make it the major problem - sorry. Jan 15 16:20:43 (which is michele_ 's point -- that OM has a lot of interest -- more than maemo) Jan 15 16:20:50 pskr, C language? Jan 15 16:21:31 florian: from the point of someone trying to build software to run on OM, OE is its major flaw. Jan 15 16:22:51 nelson: hum well, grab the toolchain and build your software. Jan 15 16:23:20 florian: I've done that. OM doesn't build twice the same way .... and often it doesn't build at all. Jan 15 16:23:23 better yet, set terminal to raw mode and cat > new-killer-app ! Jan 15 16:24:37 czr: hmph. I actually *have* keyed code into a machine via the front panel. Jan 15 16:24:49 nelson, so? :-) Jan 15 16:24:58 I used to write 8085 with hex-keypad Jan 15 16:25:10 it was actually fun. CD to rule them all! Jan 15 16:25:26 hmm. or was it C3.. bleh. Jan 15 16:25:54 czr: binary toggle switches >> hex-keypad Jan 15 16:25:58 zoran: Yes. C++ & C Jan 15 16:26:04 nelson, ok ok, you win :-) Jan 15 16:26:10 C3 is ret Jan 15 16:26:43 yeah. that's what I meant at least. been ages since I've done any 85 though Jan 15 16:26:46 how can I perform a version lock in n8x0? Jan 15 16:26:49 pskr ,what if you compile it on i386; could you debug it first on pc? Jan 15 16:26:59 ie. if I wanna keep a specific version of a package Jan 15 16:27:15 czr: ahhhhh, those were the old days, when programmers had hair. Jan 15 16:27:30 czr: actually, the first computers were women. Jan 15 16:27:39 heh Jan 15 16:27:52 czr: I have a dictionary which defines "computer" as "a person who computes". Jan 15 16:27:54 :-) Jan 15 16:27:57 applying endless hotfixes and it still wouldn't work properly Jan 15 16:28:00 ah, those computers :-) Jan 15 16:28:07 yeah.. most of them were women Jan 15 16:28:25 the finnish computer is 'tietokone' where tieto = knowledge, kone = machine. Jan 15 16:28:32 I think it's pretty ironic. Jan 15 16:29:00 tieto also might be information, but that's besides the point. Jan 15 16:33:28 I read people on ITT enabling "virtual memory" ie. swap is going to improve performance, but wouldn't that kill the flash card? Jan 15 16:33:57 michelle_, it could not last forever anyway Jan 15 16:33:59 <|tbb|> how can i read data from a file which is allready in use, is that possible? Jan 15 16:34:18 zoran: yes, but it'd get much more writes that way Jan 15 16:34:18 michelle_, swap partition is even better Jan 15 16:34:20 |tbb|, define 'in use' Jan 15 16:34:31 michele_: it depends on how often you write, and exactly what you write. Jan 15 16:34:35 michelle_, it is what you want Jan 15 16:34:42 <|tbb|> like myappliction -logdata >> mylogfile.log Jan 15 16:34:52 |tbb|, sure you can read it Jan 15 16:34:55 nelson: I don't get to decide what gets written on the swap area Jan 15 16:35:00 michele_: if you swap a long-running process off to memory, and it doesn't change its "in-memory" data much or at all, then flash swapping can work fine. Jan 15 16:35:01 |tbb|, tail -f mylogfile.log for example Jan 15 16:35:20 michele_: it seriously depends on how the application uses memory. Jan 15 16:35:32 smaller memory footprint, less writting Jan 15 16:35:51 zoran:it runs fine on pc.thats why i want to debug on n800 Jan 15 16:35:52 less changes, less writting Jan 15 16:36:02 nelson: yes, I can see this. but it's not predictable Jan 15 16:36:03 <|tbb|> czr, cat mylogfile wont work, if the application writes data on the fly? Jan 15 16:36:16 |tbb|, it works as well Jan 15 16:36:20 so, do all of you have swap on? Jan 15 16:36:26 pskr, maybe some arm specifics? Jan 15 16:36:41 i guess so Jan 15 16:36:48 michele_: I'm not swapping, no. Jan 15 16:37:01 command line, or graphical? Jan 15 16:37:07 <|tbb|> btw, could it be a problem if i set a & after the command? Jan 15 16:37:21 goes in the background Jan 15 16:37:23 |tbb|, no? add it after the redirection: >> foobar & Jan 15 16:37:41 <|tbb|> than i got a problem which i dont know Jan 15 16:37:43 if you close the terminal where you start the program though, it will be killed Jan 15 16:38:17 Or networking isn't working in my scratchbox environment ;) Jan 15 16:38:23 * mgedmin has swap Jan 15 16:38:39 if the card dies, I figure I can get another one Jan 15 16:39:10 ro buy new device Jan 15 16:39:14 on the plus side, opening two browser windows doesn't kill the browser Jan 15 16:39:25 <|tbb|> how can i run the application after closing terminal? Jan 15 16:39:29 yeah, every new nokia device uses a different card standard :/ Jan 15 16:39:49 |tbb|, make it daemonize Jan 15 16:40:08 |tbb|, man daemon Jan 15 16:40:14 mgedmin, it is the very core of real fun Jan 15 16:40:26 |tbb|, then you don't need to start it with &, but you can't really use >> either. Jan 15 16:40:27 to be suprised all the time Jan 15 16:40:36 |tbb|, so your program needs to write the logfile directly. not via stdout Jan 15 16:40:56 or rather, it can use STDOUT, but the stream must be connected to a file, not the terminal Jan 15 16:41:36 folks, some1 uses ssmtp or msmtp on any device, including pc? Jan 15 16:44:34 * zoran gone to feed dragons Jan 15 16:59:26 Anyone know where that link is on setting up networking properly in scratchbox? Jan 15 17:03:31 Should just need /etc/resolv.conf futzing within sb Jan 15 17:03:46 melmoth: thanks, bye bye Jan 15 17:07:11 Jaffa, yeah. But what do I set it to :/ Jan 15 17:07:19 My setup isn't exactly standard .. Jan 15 17:08:23 alterego, use the same DNS server as your main host Jan 15 17:08:30 or run dnsmasq on the real host, and use 127.0.0.1 Jan 15 17:08:34 that's what I do Jan 15 17:08:43 that way sb works wherever I am (dhcp) Jan 15 17:08:43 I'm using dnsmasq .. Jan 15 17:08:51 so use 127.0.0.1 then Jan 15 17:08:53 127.0.0.1 didn't work :/ Jan 15 17:09:07 well, check /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf as well as the per-target ones Jan 15 17:09:25 Aha! Jan 15 17:10:04 yeah, it's "interesting" Jan 15 17:10:22 sb tools use the resolv.conf under sbox, the per target tools use the target ones. Jan 15 17:10:26 logical, yes? :-) Jan 15 17:10:58 Hmm, wget doesn't pick up google. Jan 15 17:11:11 did you fix both? Jan 15 17:11:22 if so, also check nsswitch.conf in all those locations Jan 15 17:11:35 hosts: files dns (no other entries allowed in any of those) Jan 15 17:13:44 Fixed. Jan 15 17:13:54 Needed to be my router. Jan 15 17:14:08 hmm. weird. Jan 15 17:15:37 Well, it's not exactly a generic setup. Jan 15 17:16:19 * czr shrugs Jan 15 17:17:09 My SDK is installed in a hardware virtualized environment using the KVM modules. It's connected to the hardware host node via an ethernet bridge to a dummy network adapter and the host NAT's connections through an ethernet to wireless bridge. Which then talks to by Wireless router, which is connected to a ADSL router. Jan 15 17:17:45 But it all works now :) Jan 15 17:17:46 man that's crazy :) Jan 15 17:17:48 So I'm happy. Jan 15 17:17:56 ah. the NAT doesn't nat to your localhost? Jan 15 17:18:10 anyhow, interesting setup. Jan 15 17:18:49 I tried getting the virtual environments to appear on the real ethernet network. But bridging eth0 failed because of my ethernet to wireless bridge. Jan 15 17:18:50 alterego: same here (except xen)..All works, except....ftp via gnome-vfs :) Jan 15 17:19:14 Though, I think I know what went wrong there. The MAC address of the virtualized host isn't in the allowed MAC addresses of my wireless router ;) Jan 15 17:19:43 So I'll probably try and get that working at some point. Jan 15 17:25:23 melmoth, I chose KVM because I didn't have to play around with the kernel. Jan 15 17:25:43 Just a simple `modprobe kvm_intel` and I'm away ^_^ Jan 15 17:27:17 Though I hear Xen is a little bit faster. Jan 15 17:28:16 <_berto_> I don't know Xen, but kvm is very fast Jan 15 17:28:21 i never try kvm. Jan 15 17:28:22 I just used vmware because I'm lazy Jan 15 17:28:38 i juste used xen because i m lazy :) Jan 15 17:28:49 <_berto_> I did some tests some months ago -> http://blogs.igalia.com/berto/2007/06/27/comparing-virtualization-software-performance-qemu-vs-uml-vs-kvm/ Jan 15 17:28:59 <_berto_> now kvm supports smp as well, but I haven't tested it much Jan 15 17:30:08 _berto_, so I should be able to use my dual core across into the hvm's too? Jan 15 17:30:10 That's awesome. Jan 15 17:30:26 <_berto_> yes, with recent versions Jan 15 17:30:27 <_berto_> :) Jan 15 17:30:31 Nice. Jan 15 17:30:33 <_berto_> at least it doesn't crash anymore Jan 15 17:30:36 I'll definitely look into that. Jan 15 17:30:40 <_berto_> but I haven't tested its speed Jan 15 17:30:43 Sure. Jan 15 17:30:52 Would be great for compilations me thinks ;) Jan 15 17:30:54 <_berto_> I guess that it just works Jan 15 17:30:59 <_berto_> indeed Jan 15 17:31:55 _berto_, interesting page Jan 15 17:31:55 I love this KVM stuff though, I've been deploying KVM onto a few blade servers for a client. Jan 15 17:32:12 * czr really should look into it Jan 15 17:32:23 is there a good arch doc on kvm anywhere? Jan 15 17:32:30 <_berto_> czr: it's not a great test, I just compiled the kernel, but it gives an idea of its performance Jan 15 17:32:40 _berto_, yeah, I noticed. none-the-less Jan 15 17:33:05 Is KQEMU similar to KVM? Jan 15 17:33:09 Or is it something different? Jan 15 17:33:11 <_berto_> it's slower Jan 15 17:33:21 <_berto_> you need support from your cpu to use KVM Jan 15 17:33:25 <_berto_> but not for kqemu Jan 15 17:33:30 Ah, cool. Jan 15 17:33:40 That's really impressive. Jan 15 17:33:41 <_berto_> if you have a core 2 you probably can use KVM Jan 15 17:33:47 how are block/network things exported to a kvm vm? Jan 15 17:33:56 I mean, what's the technology Jan 15 17:34:01 _berto_, I know all about the hyperviser requirement ;) Jan 15 17:34:05 <_berto_> just like qemu Jan 15 17:34:26 Yeah, KVM is essentially identical to using qemu, it's just it's a lot quicker. Jan 15 17:34:38 ah. so the hw is emulated on vm-side? Jan 15 17:34:48 So, networking and devices are all handled in the same way as qemu guests normally do it. Jan 15 17:34:52 which drivers do you use on vm side? Jan 15 17:34:53 No, Jan 15 17:35:02 Oh wait, yes. ;) Jan 15 17:35:06 yeah. Jan 15 17:35:18 so I guess xen would be quicker for I/O stuff Jan 15 17:37:04 Probably, I'm not familiar with Xen at all. I may play with it at some point. But I'm really happy with how kvm/qemu does things for now. Jan 15 17:37:11 <_berto_> if you don't want emulation at all Jan 15 17:37:20 <_berto_> you could use something like linux-vserver Jan 15 17:37:26 well, I'd like the I/O model of Xen coupled with VT Jan 15 17:37:30 <_berto_> it runs the same kernel Jan 15 17:37:35 sure. but that's not the issue Jan 15 17:37:39 Then you can't use other OS' .. Jan 15 17:37:41 I have a non-linux custom OS as the VM Jan 15 17:37:49 or rather, "OS" Jan 15 17:37:51 <_berto_> :) Jan 15 17:38:07 the xen i/o model on the VM side is very nice. very nice indeed. Jan 15 17:38:09 Which makes using kvm/xen pointless :P Jan 15 17:38:15 no need for old hw emulation etc. Jan 15 17:38:17 I'll have to look at it. Jan 15 17:38:37 I was tempted to work for Xen Source .. Jan 15 17:38:51 you were? Jan 15 17:38:55 oh, why not? :-) Jan 15 17:39:23 I decided I liked being a contractor too much ;) Jan 15 17:39:35 heh, I know that feeling.. :-) Jan 15 17:39:43 replied to one recruitment email just today.. Jan 15 17:39:46 The diversity of work keeps me a lot happier. Jan 15 17:41:33 czr, do you still have that maemo sdk kernel module howto handy? Jan 15 17:42:08 alterego, sure, although it's for bora Jan 15 17:42:12 I haven't updated it for chinook Jan 15 17:42:13 Oh, Jan 15 17:42:21 Should be pretty similar though I'd imagine. Jan 15 17:42:25 * czr nods Jan 15 17:42:31 May I? :) Jan 15 17:42:32 I could probably update it Jan 15 17:42:39 or you can use it and report back :-) Jan 15 17:42:41 and I'll update it Jan 15 17:42:44 Well, I'll let you know if I crash and burn ;) Jan 15 17:42:44 sure.. it's public Jan 15 17:42:53 Got a link? Jan 15 17:42:53 google for 'koltsoff N800 kernel module' Jan 15 17:42:55 should find it Jan 15 17:43:14 http://koltsoff.com/pub/hello-n800/ Jan 15 17:43:14 thanks Jan 15 17:43:23 Yeah, got it :P Jan 15 17:43:49 I'm gonna do an experiment building the driver for a USB wireless dongle. Jan 15 17:43:59 download the driver as well, it should work on the n810 kernel Jan 15 17:44:10 although, if the driver doesn't build, I'd be interested in hearing that as well. Jan 15 17:44:21 it's just a stupid hello world module anyway Jan 15 17:44:43 alterego, with host mode? ;) Jan 15 17:45:43 host mode? Jan 15 17:45:57 I want promisc :P Jan 15 17:46:22 Though, host mode would be useful for my laptop. Jan 15 17:46:28 i think the n800 with stock drivers doesnt provide power for usb devices Jan 15 17:46:32 Having both connected to the internet through the same phone. Jan 15 17:46:41 It does. Jan 15 17:46:47 OS2008 allows for USB OTF. Jan 15 17:46:50 ~OTG host mode. Jan 15 17:46:58 yeah Jan 15 17:47:08 but people still have to hack in a power supply no? Jan 15 17:47:09 But the power certainly wont be enough. I'll have to use my powered hub. Jan 15 17:47:13 k Jan 15 17:47:38 some guy already did that.. dont think he wrote a driver, but he got a usb dongle to work.. Jan 15 17:47:39 Not for everything, some USB keyboards work without extra power, as do all of the card readers I've tested. Jan 15 17:47:59 And USB memory sticks. Jan 15 17:48:04 Even my digital camera :) Jan 15 17:48:08 for WEP cracking.. usb wifi to inject packets, the built in wifi to record Jan 15 17:48:34 Well, I'm not doing anything that invasive. Jan 15 17:48:42 This is for network debugging. Jan 15 17:49:30 heh Jan 15 17:49:43 screw debugging, promiscuous mode is good period. Jan 15 17:49:45 ;p Jan 15 17:49:54 if somethings avail i want inet heh Jan 15 17:51:13 Well, if it's legal in your country go for it :P Jan 15 17:52:26 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=111781&postcount=8 Jan 15 17:52:45 theres his instructions, may help for reference Jan 15 17:53:20 Thanks :) Jan 15 17:53:21 hmm. I may need to buy a new computer for virtualization stuff.. argh. Jan 15 17:53:40 Yes, you need "VT extensions". Jan 15 17:53:47 well, I already have on with VT Jan 15 17:53:52 VT-x to be precise Jan 15 17:53:56 The newest P4's have it as well as a lot of C2D chips. Jan 15 17:54:01 but I'd rather not touch it too much Jan 15 17:54:04 All AMD X2's and above have it. Jan 15 17:54:11 oh, I know. Jan 15 17:54:26 that's not the issue. I'm just too lazy to risk anything going fubar on the existing VT machine Jan 15 17:55:33 Ah Jan 15 17:55:36 What OS are you running? Jan 15 17:56:04 linux as host, linuxen, custom, windowsen as guests Jan 15 17:56:13 Yeah, I meant what Linux as host :P Jan 15 17:56:21 ubuntu atm. Jan 15 17:56:47 Ubuntu + KVM is super easy. Just `sudo apt-get install kvm` then `sudo modprobe kvm_intel` or kvm_amd. Jan 15 17:56:50 And you're off. Jan 15 17:57:01 since which release? Jan 15 17:57:12 Well, I'm using 7.10 Jan 15 17:57:14 but I'm thinking of xen as well Jan 15 17:57:24 bleh, I could do it really. just too lazy :-) Jan 15 17:57:25 Yes, Xen requires a kernel build. Jan 15 17:57:28 * czr puts it on the todo list Jan 15 17:57:32 :) Jan 15 17:57:33 yes I know, I've used it before Jan 15 17:57:35 Lazy bugger. Jan 15 17:57:40 * czr hides in shame Jan 15 17:58:02 Well, firstly. There's no 'rx-34.kernel-headers' package. Jan 15 17:58:08 how suprising. Jan 15 17:58:11 It appears that 'linux-kernel-headers' are installed. Jan 15 17:58:13 is there anything with headers? Jan 15 17:58:22 hmm. maybe I should startup the VM as well, give me a sec Jan 15 17:58:24 <_berto_> qemu/kvm is the easiest one to set up Jan 15 17:58:27 <_berto_> even the network is trivial Jan 15 17:58:27 <_berto_> :) Jan 15 17:58:38 _berto_, indeed. :) I'm well chuffed. Jan 15 17:58:49 vmware is way easier imho :-) Jan 15 17:58:54 Heh Jan 15 17:59:02 Only because it's already running :P Jan 15 17:59:13 kvm is easier than VMWare IMO :P Jan 15 17:59:13 <_berto_> last time I checked you needed a kernel module to have network in vmware Jan 15 17:59:19 er? nah, it has a simple GUI Jan 15 17:59:22 <_berto_> but that was many years ago Jan 15 17:59:23 <_berto_> :) Jan 15 17:59:25 _berto_, no you don't Jan 15 17:59:35 kvm -m 512 hd_image.img Jan 15 17:59:40 That's a simple GUI :P Jan 15 17:59:51 <_berto_> indeed Jan 15 17:59:51 amd pcnet32 or e1000 are emulated. you _can_ build a vmnet driver if you wish (bypasses the emulation) Jan 15 18:00:06 We need that for KVM .. Jan 15 18:00:09 well, I meant for building machines. I don't really use the GUI for anything else Jan 15 18:00:13 That would be cool. Jan 15 18:00:23 To build a machine. Jan 15 18:00:36 qemu-img create -f qcow2 hd_image.img 40G Jan 15 18:00:39 <_berto_> I mean, to have network between the host and the virtual machine Jan 15 18:00:45 <_berto_> you used to need a special interface Jan 15 18:01:02 <_berto_> vmnet0 Jan 15 18:01:04 <_berto_> iirc Jan 15 18:01:24 yar.. where is my chinook installation.. Jan 15 18:02:02 Hmm .. Jan 15 18:02:06 I suck at this. Jan 15 18:02:16 Where should I point KLIB and LLIB_BUILD? Jan 15 18:02:20 haha. it's an old version of the VM. one before installing the SDK and SBOX Jan 15 18:02:39 alterego, what are you building? Jan 15 18:03:01 compat-wireless Jan 15 18:03:16 did you try building the helloworld one first? Jan 15 18:05:06 Nope, trying now. Jan 15 18:05:22 yeah, I'll extract the proper VM, a sec Jan 15 18:06:14 the wireless driver most probably has some broken Makefile Jan 15 18:06:16 No kernel source :/ Jan 15 18:06:20 so it needs more env vars or smt Jan 15 18:06:25 wonderful Jan 15 18:06:38 I'll have a smoke and boot the VM up meanwhile, brb Jan 15 18:06:46 Heh Jan 15 18:07:45 * alterego wheeps. Jan 15 18:09:43 Steve Jobs just announced MacBook Air Jan 15 18:09:52 What's that? Jan 15 18:10:04 Hasn't said yet Jan 15 18:10:14 * Jaffa is watching http://www.macrumorslive.com/ Jan 15 18:10:25 "World's thinnest notebook" - so presumably quite wide Jan 15 18:10:31 Hah Jan 15 18:12:15 ugh, macbook air, now I have to figure out where to get $1500 :) Jan 15 18:12:38 Why? Mac's are just for fashion victims .. Jan 15 18:12:52 alterego, you remember what the hw name is for n810? Jan 15 18:12:57 They just look so boring Jan 15 18:13:01 czr, 44 Jan 15 18:13:03 RX44 Jan 15 18:13:12 bleh. I only find rx-34-kernel Jan 15 18:13:14 ahh yeah I just remembered how much Mac OS X irritated me Jan 15 18:13:40 It's like iPod touches, and iPhones. They're not practical and they look boring. Jan 15 18:13:47 No imagination, just completely black plastic .. Jan 15 18:13:53 With an apple logo O_O Jan 15 18:14:33 czr, well. Presumably I can use that ;) Jan 15 18:14:39 As they should be compatible. Jan 15 18:14:57 the iPhone's GUI is something quite amazing I think Jan 15 18:14:58 * czr nods Jan 15 18:15:00 But checking out the source for that kernel image doesn't give me a usable build. Jan 15 18:15:02 probably should charge my n810 Jan 15 18:15:10 where did you find the source? Jan 15 18:15:13 apt-get source? Jan 15 18:15:18 dhd, it's just flashy pictures. Nothing clever about it at all. Jan 15 18:15:26 The input method is a POS. Jan 15 18:15:31 czr, yeah, Jan 15 18:17:05 alterego: there's nothing *new* about it but it's the first commercial device to implement a lot of things that have been published in HCI conferences over the last 10 years Jan 15 18:17:07 unmet build dependency kernel-source-rx-34 Jan 15 18:17:20 granted, I still think that the N800 is more useful :) Jan 15 18:17:32 And prettier. Jan 15 18:17:33 not least because it is open Jan 15 18:17:54 The N810 is the most attractive piece of electronics I've seen :) Jan 15 18:18:02 * dhd nods Jan 15 18:19:10 czr, I'm trying this: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/kernel_guide_for_maemo.html Jan 15 18:19:21 hmm. rx-34-kernel source package has a README that tells that it should contain headers. but it doesn't Jan 15 18:19:24 let me see Jan 15 18:20:12 heh. except that kernel-source-rx-34 doesn't exist Jan 15 18:20:18 unless it's in the non-free repo Jan 15 18:21:44 alterego, the howto tells to use kernel-source-rx-34 source package, but it doesn't exist.. Jan 15 18:22:22 czr, crap :/ Jan 15 18:22:26 * alterego wheeps. Jan 15 18:22:33 indeed. bugzilla time. Jan 15 18:22:45 hmm. I remember seeing about this in the mailing lists though Jan 15 18:23:07 I don't :/ Jan 15 18:25:35 interesting: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/source/k/kernel-source-rx-34/ Jan 15 18:25:45 why doesn't apt-cache see it I wonder Jan 15 18:26:27 It's probably not in the Packages.gz file .. Jan 15 18:26:43 well, it breaks the howto as well.. Jan 15 18:27:07 Oh wait .. It's a source package isn't it. Jan 15 18:27:10 It's not a deb at all. Jan 15 18:27:17 indeed Jan 15 18:27:25 ah. apt-cache wouldn't see it then, right? Jan 15 18:27:40 Exactly. Jan 15 18:27:48 apt-get source kernel-source-rx-34 works fine ^_^ Jan 15 18:28:00 indeed Jan 15 18:28:04 * czr hits himself on the head Jan 15 18:28:12 :) Jan 15 18:28:17 Well, we both screwed that up :D Jan 15 18:28:20 they still don't have a separate package with only the headers Jan 15 18:28:23 which is sad. Jan 15 18:28:26 Yeah Jan 15 18:29:12 Looks like I might be able to do this after all then :) Jan 15 18:29:14 Hopefully .. Jan 15 18:29:26 still downloading. /me sighs Jan 15 18:29:37 Yeah, I'm getting 44k/s >:( Jan 15 18:29:48 hi all Jan 15 18:29:48 Gonna take 20 minutes. Jan 15 18:29:53 Lucky it's dinner time I suppose. Jan 15 18:29:59 so its not just me having slow speeds ? Jan 15 18:30:06 alterego, I'm getting 216k Jan 15 18:30:12 which is max for me Jan 15 18:30:20 My ISP screws my connection in the evening. Jan 15 18:30:29 your ISP is lonely Jan 15 18:30:33 Otherwise I should be getting ~250 - 260K/s Jan 15 18:30:34 they should get out more often Jan 15 18:30:35 I just had a N810 Jan 15 18:30:44 :D Jan 15 18:30:49 linux - had? what did you do with it? Jan 15 18:30:56 * lcuk_3 still has his Jan 15 18:31:02 * czr has a N00 Jan 15 18:31:06 Yeah, mines still down my pants .. Jan 15 18:31:06 not sure if its my N810/wlan or something but cant grab anything from maemo repo Jan 15 18:31:36 are you on it now or are you using your normal pc to connect to here Jan 15 18:31:47 normal pc to connect to freenode Jan 15 18:32:02 cant install pidgin or anything else for that matter Jan 15 18:32:12 czr, how do you fancy compiling these wifi modules for me? Jan 15 18:32:23 can surf though Jan 15 18:32:27 You could do it in the time it takes me to download the kernel source/eat dinner ;) Jan 15 18:32:40 alterego, well, I'll test my hello world. anything beyond that is extra Jan 15 18:32:46 ;) Jan 15 18:34:30 argh. they don't have a .config file Jan 15 18:35:31 ah. they do, but it's hidden away Jan 15 18:35:38 Yes, read the how to :P Jan 15 18:35:48 well. I don't want to build the whole kernel Jan 15 18:35:55 I want to try the 'prepare' target which should be enough Jan 15 18:35:59 for that I need the .config Jan 15 18:36:14 make nokia_2420_defconfig should create the .config Jan 15 18:36:19 (i.e., just let me do it my way, ok? :-) Jan 15 18:36:23 yeah, but it does other things as well Jan 15 18:36:52 hmm. interesting. prepare actually works. Jan 15 18:36:57 didn't in bora. Jan 15 18:37:57 :) Jan 15 18:37:57 Nice Jan 15 18:40:17 doesn't help though Jan 15 18:40:26 the prepare thing doesn't create modpost. Jan 15 18:40:27 Hah Jan 15 18:40:29 same problem as in bora. Jan 15 18:40:30 bleh. Jan 15 18:41:04 yup. Jan 15 18:41:09 full build required.. bleh^3 Jan 15 18:42:06 does 'mtd -r write os200x.bin linux' work in n800? Jan 15 18:42:33 hahlo, I don't think anyone has tried mtdutils. Jan 15 18:42:48 I don't see why it wont work. Jan 15 18:43:11 So it should work. Provided you're dual booting off of an SD card? Jan 15 18:43:26 quite a few Brits here ;-D Jan 15 18:43:40 alterego: ok, yes. Jan 15 18:43:41 Who are you calling British! Jan 15 18:43:52 maybe he meant to say Grits Jan 15 18:43:58 or she. Jan 15 18:44:00 I'm going through like .. 20 proxies man. Jan 15 18:44:07 Oh wait .. They're all in England .. Jan 15 18:44:25 * L0cutus need rdiff-backup on os2008 :) Jan 15 18:45:05 guess I will try an apt-get..the gui thing doesnt give much info back Jan 15 18:45:09 if something aint right Jan 15 18:45:30 kinda sucks they dont give ya a root pass Jan 15 18:45:32 ;-| Jan 15 18:45:42 they do Jan 15 18:45:42 There is no root pass on 2008 Jan 15 18:45:48 but you need to enable r&d Jan 15 18:45:50 czr, where ? Jan 15 18:45:57 how do I do that ? Jan 15 18:45:58 login as root :-) Jan 15 18:46:05 via ssh is the simplest (imho) way Jan 15 18:46:12 The easiest way is to install open ssh server .. Jan 15 18:46:17 if I could install ssh lol Jan 15 18:46:18 alterego: isn't there? Jan 15 18:46:20 That prompts for you to set the root password. Jan 15 18:46:21 maemo is dead for me Jan 15 18:46:27 alterego: (a root password) Jan 15 18:46:39 I did set the root pass Jan 15 18:46:41 that means I don't need to change it, either. After enabling root :) Jan 15 18:46:42 Veggen, no, root and user passwords aren't defined in 2008 Jan 15 18:46:43 but still Jan 15 18:46:55 alterego: well. I set a user-password. Jan 15 18:47:05 doesn't mess up anything. Jan 15 18:47:06 I set both passwords .. Jan 15 18:47:14 I don't need the root password. Jan 15 18:47:16 So I can actually log into it :P Jan 15 18:47:16 alterego, got a N810 ? Jan 15 18:47:20 sudo is good enough. Jan 15 18:47:22 LinuxCode, indeed. Jan 15 18:47:24 k Jan 15 18:47:31 Sometimes I _need_ root .. Jan 15 18:47:31 well i set it now Jan 15 18:47:36 using a hack Jan 15 18:47:44 also annoying ping is chmoded Jan 15 18:47:47 how stupid Jan 15 18:47:48 alterego: add a line to sudoers. Jan 15 18:47:55 how will people debug their network Jan 15 18:47:56 lol Jan 15 18:48:00 Veggen, why? If it's just a one off thing? Jan 15 18:48:22 LinuxCode: the reason for that is that ping is part of busybox, not? Jan 15 18:48:35 dont know... Jan 15 18:48:38 you tell me.. Jan 15 18:48:50 alterego, hello.ko built. will test on device next Jan 15 18:48:53 I could allow user to sudo to ALL, but then that would be a bit of s security hole. As anyone using the device within 10 minutes or whatever would have root access .. Jan 15 18:48:55 this is my first experience with the N810...and busybox etc.. Jan 15 18:48:59 czr, fantastic :) Jan 15 18:49:07 ping need to be suid root to use as a user. and you can't suid root a symbolic link :) Jan 15 18:49:13 I'll add a section on N810/OS2008 to the doc after this Jan 15 18:49:29 it's not all that different, so I'll just point out the largest differences Jan 15 18:49:51 Veggen, LinuxCode easy fix is cp busybox ping, then chmod +s ping :) Jan 15 18:51:27 Finally finished downloading the kernel sources :) Jan 15 18:51:33 alterego, hehe Jan 15 18:54:05 success. Jan 15 18:54:20 ok, should probably make some tea, smoke and then update the document.. Jan 15 18:54:25 Nice Jan 15 18:55:12 nuts. Did I miss that? why did they change the cable for n810? Jan 15 18:55:22 (the USB cable) Jan 15 18:55:32 Veggen, it's smaller. Jan 15 18:55:37 it's sexier Jan 15 18:55:53 hmmf. hope I brought it from work... Jan 15 18:56:01 and otherwise you could have used the normal cable, but it's so sexy that now you can use a separate cable for your n810 Jan 15 18:56:01 (I got it at work, the n810) Jan 15 18:56:04 damn missus! Jan 15 18:56:18 shes lost my flimpsy but practical cover for my 810 Jan 15 18:56:25 she only had the bloody thing for a day Jan 15 18:57:32 Hahah Jan 15 18:57:41 I don't use mine. Jan 15 18:57:47 only one day and it's already bloody.. women.. Jan 15 18:57:53 i do cos i cant put it in my pocket without it Jan 15 18:57:54 Well, not for it's intended purpose .. Jan 15 18:58:38 shes promised to make me a replacement Jan 15 18:58:50 (since nokia havent got any on their site ...) Jan 15 18:59:14 now shes threatening to make it furr lined, please someone tell me: how the hell can i prevent this from happening Jan 15 18:59:34 (but still get a case) Jan 15 18:59:47 lcuk_3, give her flowers tomorrow Jan 15 18:59:57 and say that they're for NOT using fur :-) Jan 15 19:00:05 me? flowers? for once it aint me thats done something wrong Jan 15 19:00:25 see, that's the beauty of it. she'll end up so confused, shell forget about the fur. Jan 15 19:00:45 not likely, shes probably choosing contrasting fabrics as we speak Jan 15 19:00:51 oh my :-) Jan 15 19:00:54 how does one add a gpg key so apt can use it ? Jan 15 19:00:56 hmm Jan 15 19:00:56 then you can only fail. Jan 15 19:01:10 :( Jan 15 19:01:18 * lcuk_3 is doomed Jan 15 19:01:40 * LinuxCode will port fedora to this thing Jan 15 19:01:45 Doom 1, Doom 2 or Doom 3? Jan 15 19:02:00 the whole lot i think Jan 15 19:02:09 oh. you ARE doomed then :-) Jan 15 19:02:22 I still think I remember all the levels of doom 1 by heart. Jan 15 19:02:39 yer, proposal, wedding day, anniversary Jan 15 19:02:48 aha! apt-key Jan 15 19:03:04 heh lcuk_3 Jan 15 19:03:22 i think this will be the only time i can get away with this. Jan 15 19:03:28 * lcuk_3 is normally well under the thumb Jan 15 19:03:40 she's out and won't be reading your irclogs? Jan 15 19:03:50 any of you guys set up the cross-compile sandbox ? Jan 15 19:03:52 ill show her when she returns Jan 15 19:04:06 LinuxCode, define what you mean by that. the SDK? Jan 15 19:04:21 the maemo sandbox build environment Jan 15 19:04:30 specified in the tutorial Jan 15 19:04:31 Scratchbox is the maemo cross compiler. theres plenty of support around for it Jan 15 19:04:33 maemo SDK. Jan 15 19:04:38 yeah, we've set it up. Jan 15 19:04:48 straight forward ? Jan 15 19:04:59 if you follow the instructions. which distro are you using? Jan 15 19:05:06 fedora Jan 15 19:05:15 ah, you'll probably run into problems with qemu then Jan 15 19:05:22 hmm Jan 15 19:05:22 there is a vmware image all nicely setup for those who don't know or the more linux user friendly version for those who want to diy Jan 15 19:05:29 search the maemo-developers mailing list for 'fedora vdso' Jan 15 19:05:38 it's trivial to fix once you know how Jan 15 19:05:43 sweet Jan 15 19:05:48 thanks for the tip mate Jan 15 19:05:58 Im actually seriously pondering to port fedora Jan 15 19:06:00 hehe Jan 15 19:06:04 wasnt just a joke Jan 15 19:06:07 you should get out more often Jan 15 19:06:12 lol Jan 15 19:06:18 I tell myself that all the time Jan 15 19:06:21 ;-| Jan 15 19:06:33 then you notice the self-deception? :-) Jan 15 19:06:42 lol Jan 15 19:06:50 I have to self deceive myself Jan 15 19:06:59 Im working on something else atm Jan 15 19:07:02 that's how self-deception normally works Jan 15 19:07:04 now with n810 you can get out more AND play with linux Jan 15 19:07:11 only way to survive Jan 15 19:07:16 * czr tries to self-deceive alterego to write the new kernel module doc Jan 15 19:07:53 lcuk_3, "why are your hands your pants' pockets all the time?" "Oh, I'm playing with my device" Jan 15 19:08:16 its ok, im logged in as root tho Jan 15 19:08:58 lcuk_3, hahah Jan 15 19:09:07 i dont think i could keep the 810 in my pocket, the light on the side throbs too often Jan 15 19:09:15 as long as you refrain from port scanning in public places, it should be ok Jan 15 19:09:43 im just worried people will port scan me Jan 15 19:09:49 * lcuk_3 crosses his legs Jan 15 19:10:07 * czr notices that lcuk_3 is wearing a tutu Jan 15 19:10:12 I see your problem.. Jan 15 19:10:20 Maybe it's not that bad and only hurts the first time.. Jan 15 19:10:30 and dont mention my furr lined case :| Jan 15 19:10:40 hah, forgot about the fur already Jan 15 19:10:45 she hadnt Jan 15 19:10:47 * czr bets it's going to be pink Jan 15 19:10:56 i bloody hope not Jan 15 19:11:22 in all seriousness, does anywhere sell practical cases for 810 yet Jan 15 19:11:30 well, if it would be dark brown, then people would just think that your chesthair is sticking out of your shirt pockets. is that really what you want? Jan 15 19:11:35 I haven't seen any Jan 15 19:11:52 nor have i - i think the keyboard is throwing the designers Jan 15 19:12:25 i might just move forward with my rubber bumpers idea Jan 15 19:12:34 and stick a screen protector on Jan 15 19:13:05 ok. so no reflash today. Jan 15 19:13:14 (damned cable-variations) Jan 15 19:14:38 i gonna vanish - hopefully ill manage to hide all the furry stuff before she comes back Jan 15 19:16:00 * czr hands lcuk_3 a pack of razors Jan 15 19:25:53 * alterego yawns Jan 15 19:26:00 I don't think I'll get this to work :( Jan 15 19:29:11 is there a way to run a chroot full of ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV) on a regular debian install of ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (ARM)? Jan 15 19:29:46 O_o Jan 15 19:29:54 Is that a maemo question? Jan 15 19:31:15 alterego: the former is what maemo seems to use. Jan 15 19:33:31 debian-arm or armel? Jan 15 19:35:43 armel in the chroot, arm on the outside. Jan 15 19:43:36 ahh.. Jan 15 19:43:54 hmmmwaiting for headers Jan 15 19:47:35 wow! vmware lets you do vnc remoting of the whole session, including console! Jan 15 19:48:32 ... collaborative development with scratchbox + vmware... Jan 15 19:57:12 you can do that with qemu/kvm to .. Jan 15 19:57:16 ~too Jan 15 20:04:23 <|R> anyone remember where is the mount command with noexec so i can change it to exec in the OS2008? Jan 15 20:09:31 |R: you need to modify the fstab or mount -o exec ... Jan 15 20:09:53 <|R> b0unc3 : fstab is not used, it's in a script somewhere Jan 15 20:10:10 <|R> fstab even points mmc1 to the wrong device (not the one actually used, flipping 1 and 2) Jan 15 20:10:33 |R: /usr/sbin/mmc-mount Jan 15 20:10:51 <|R> hoorray! thanks :) Jan 15 20:10:56 <|R> grep didn't find it for some reasons... Jan 15 20:36:08 <-- Drops Pin Jan 15 20:37:34 * Lynoure picks the pin up (dangerous sharp things) Jan 15 20:37:50 I was just thinking that was a really deep hole Jan 15 20:38:31 Did not actually go to the bottom... yey for telescopic magnet sticks =) Jan 15 20:41:10 telescopic magnet stick actually sounds rather dangeours Jan 15 20:42:09 czr: I thought that when I passed one in a store today... Luckily I no longer really need one, not that much pins around anymore Jan 15 20:42:41 imagine going into some fully metallic room and all of the sudden all kinds of things poking out of your pockets. not convenient! Jan 15 20:43:23 maybe I need to stop walking around with pins in my pockets? Jan 15 20:43:38 heh, is that a stick in your pocket or... =) Jan 15 20:43:43 hey all Jan 15 20:43:45 ouch! Jan 15 20:44:18 lophyte: hello :) Jan 15 20:44:20 Lynoure, indeed. Jan 15 20:44:29 sounds like a room full of bored folks ;) Jan 15 20:44:33 hehe Jan 15 20:44:39 could be! Jan 15 20:44:49 * czr is updating the out-of-tree-module "guide" Jan 15 20:44:56 hence I'd give anything to do write it.. Jan 15 20:45:04 poking sticks is an adequate diversion. Jan 15 20:45:08 lophyte: no need to be bored to take advantage of a joke-potential Jan 15 20:45:14 lol Jan 15 20:45:16 true enough Jan 15 20:45:32 I'm sitting at work twiddling my thumbs, I should be coding... Jan 15 20:45:35 "#maemo, realizing the full potential since 2006" Jan 15 20:45:53 lophyte, thumb-keyboard for irc? Jan 15 20:46:03 I think we need a maemohelp Jan 15 20:46:16 i think we simply need help Jan 15 20:46:28 actually my IT is sitting idle, no thumb-keyboard for me Jan 15 20:46:45 Cheaterf Jan 15 20:46:56 Hi Jan 15 20:47:10 lcuk_3, you at least do :-) Jan 15 20:47:18 hello Jan 15 20:47:38 J/k... Like the misspelling too there I bet? Jan 15 20:47:45 lol - its a good job my missus hasnt seen the pins ppl have around here Jan 15 20:48:06 re: maemohelp channel, if all the help was moved off to another channel how would we get ideas for new programs to write? Jan 15 20:48:35 I have heard from non-tech people #maemo is not very helpfull Jan 15 20:49:04 so I figure make maemohelp, where you should be expected to put up with idiocy :) Jan 15 20:49:12 haha Jan 15 20:49:17 i don't think any contact point is perfect but at least (some of us) are real people who from what i have seen genuinely try to help Jan 15 20:49:38 yes, but many smart asses too ;) Jan 15 20:49:56 the biggest problem with irc that i can see is people need help to get help Jan 15 20:50:15 So true Jan 15 20:50:15 penguin, happens everywhere Jan 15 20:50:25 even in the forums, I know Jan 15 20:50:32 even? :-) Jan 15 20:50:40 i started with a web based irc - it required no installation Jan 15 20:51:04 I'm not around enough to offer assistance :\ Jan 15 20:51:19 I am working on putting #maemo on www.tablethacker.com, so we will have a quick IRC client Jan 15 20:51:41 I am running mirc on windows right now Jan 15 20:51:51 then again I'm not that tablet savvy anyway, just linux savvy Jan 15 20:51:54 anyone else notice that mirc guy is losing his hair :) Jan 15 20:52:05 I haven't use mirc in ages Jan 15 20:52:10 Hmm... Where's the "pipe" on my 810 keyboard? Jan 15 20:52:14 if I'm even using windows, I use xchat Jan 15 20:52:15 I really really like kvirc Jan 15 20:52:28 lophyte, i bet you can help ppl if they ask the right question.. Jan 15 20:52:46 lcuk_3, most likely if its linux-related and not too tablet specific Jan 15 20:52:47 pipe on 810 is next to tab ;) Jan 15 20:52:47 I am running Gaim on windows, not sure why I did not think of x-chat Jan 15 20:52:54 Ahh, there it is... | Jan 15 20:52:59 I guess because mirc never expires Jan 15 20:53:05 penguinbait, http://silverex.org/news/ Jan 15 20:53:18 free build of xchat for windows Jan 15 20:53:27 i started with http://ircatwork.com/ Jan 15 20:53:37 I was an old bitchx user :) Jan 15 20:53:44 epic also Jan 15 20:54:06 * czr started with http://www.eterna.com.au/ircii/ Jan 15 20:54:14 Having been a debian fanboy pays when you buy an IT, I'll tell you... Jan 15 20:54:21 hahah Jan 15 20:54:23 that's for sure Jan 15 20:54:25 at least I think I did. might have been something else before ircii Jan 15 20:54:39 I was glad when I bought my n800 and realized it had apt-get Jan 15 20:54:44 * lcuk_3 has never had any practical experience with any linux Jan 15 20:55:01 Whaa? Jan 15 20:55:05 * lophyte tries his best not to use anything except linux Jan 15 20:55:09 ive dabbled and had a few live disks and installed a few full systems but never understood enough Jan 15 20:55:14 lcuk_3, so, the furry lining is appropriate, not? :-) Jan 15 20:55:16 I learned linux whan I had a third shift tech job, I never did anything Jan 15 20:55:17 I have Windows in a VM when I need it Jan 15 20:55:20 lolol Jan 15 20:55:45 ie. to download MS reader ebooks Jan 15 20:56:00 Has one windows box out of 7 computers he uses daily... The windows box is for warmth, and some games Jan 15 20:56:10 i got this IT because I wanted something i couldn't give up on Jan 15 20:56:12 hey Jan 15 20:56:34 windows has always been a poor comforting device Jan 15 20:56:38 lol Jan 15 20:56:39 i still miss amiga OS tbh Jan 15 20:56:48 I bought 770, because it was cheaper than and more available than the zaurus I had been druling over for years :) Jan 15 20:56:56 hahah, oh yeah for sure Jan 15 20:56:59 Nokia made me a very happy camper :) Jan 15 20:57:03 agreed Jan 15 20:57:09 though I wish I would've waited for the 810 Jan 15 20:57:15 I bought my n800 just before the 810 came out Jan 15 20:57:22 lcuk_3: install uae on your it ;) Jan 15 20:57:37 I bought my 770 in Jan 2006, I am very glad I did not wait for 810 Jan 15 20:57:45 Me too... I got my 810 for $250us, btw Jan 15 20:57:46 hell I am still waiting for my 810 :( Jan 15 20:57:57 the hardware keyboard would've been nice Jan 15 20:58:03 good deal k6 Jan 15 20:58:04 I guess I could sell my n800 Jan 15 20:58:24 jott, i did and ran for ages with it but real life does get in the way and without some major experience in windows i wouldnt have got a decent job Jan 15 20:58:35 CompUSA going out of business sales are great! Jan 15 20:58:42 i would get an 800 tomorrow to compliment this 810 Jan 15 20:58:44 hey can i restore from than n800 to an n810 Jan 15 20:59:13 lcuk_3: hey you can always put it back in your pocket.. make it a secret ;) Jan 15 20:59:19 I am the opposite, I turned some linux knowlege into a great paying unix job, windows experience does not pay high enough :) Jan 15 20:59:22 Now there's a project... Jan 15 20:59:37 but im a developer and that pays enough bills Jan 15 20:59:43 should work cbx33 Jan 15 20:59:59 [20:59] penguinbait I am the opposite, I turned some linux knowlege into a great paying unix job, windows experience does not pay high enough :) Jan 15 21:00:03 winblows just sucks Jan 15 21:00:10 I am lowly admin, not a developer :) Jan 15 21:00:16 * cbx33 too Jan 15 21:00:20 developers annoy me, NO OFFENSE Jan 15 21:00:22 < ducks Jan 15 21:00:26 lol Jan 15 21:00:26 * lophyte swings at penguinbait Jan 15 21:00:37 Lol Jan 15 21:00:48 < developer/sysadmin contractor Jan 15 21:00:49 * lcuk_3 tells penguin there are some machines to move up 12 flights of stairs Jan 15 21:01:05 * lcuk_3 disables the lift Jan 15 21:01:34 god i remember jobs like that <- work experience in college... Jan 15 21:01:41 I dont move machines, you need forklift to move the machines I work on Jan 15 21:02:00 I love developers... I'd love to be one, although networks are more fun for me. Jan 15 21:02:15 I do a bit of everything Jan 15 21:02:16 lol Jan 15 21:02:34 Alright we got the sysadmin and developers, and network folks Jan 15 21:02:34 you do what you need to do to get a job done Jan 15 21:02:40 where are the SAN admins Jan 15 21:02:41 * lcuk_3 will get his hands dirty if required Jan 15 21:02:45 penguinbait, it's only because you deserve it (annoying developers :-) Jan 15 21:02:55 whos got thier IT booting over network hehe Jan 15 21:03:13 Shoves a ataoe device on the network... Jan 15 21:03:18 woah Jan 15 21:03:20 lol Jan 15 21:03:29 ki6amd, aoe is more common acronym :-) Jan 15 21:03:35 when you install maemo bash it wants to remove like...anything thats essential Jan 15 21:03:49 ok folks, before this turns into a pitched battle, might i suggest we go for a beer? Jan 15 21:04:02 * czr will buy beer to anyone close enough Jan 15 21:04:03 never needed more than ash? Jan 15 21:04:05 I removed osso-media-player one time and it removed the browser with it Jan 15 21:04:11 To the fridge! Jan 15 21:04:13 penguinbait, I prefer bash Jan 15 21:04:19 just personal preference Jan 15 21:04:21 czr where are you Jan 15 21:04:26 I want a beer Jan 15 21:04:35 penguinbait, here :-). Hakaniemi/Helsinki/Finland. Jan 15 21:04:36 Would love to see bash here too Jan 15 21:04:48 Manchester England Jan 15 21:04:50 me to, but I just have no real need for it Jan 15 21:04:58 < the other side of the world Jan 15 21:04:58 California Jan 15 21:05:04 damn. you're all scattered around.. Jan 15 21:05:14 obviously you don't love Nokia enough! Jan 15 21:05:26 anyone tried a restore from an n800 to an n810??? thanks penguinbait Jan 15 21:05:30 oh, better count me out on the first round, its gonna take me a minute or two to get there Jan 15 21:05:37 its ok, remember - the internet is just a series of tubes. just pour beer into your router Jan 15 21:05:42 hahahah Jan 15 21:05:46 heh lcuk_3 Jan 15 21:05:56 seeing how 810 OS runs on 800, it seems like it would work Jan 15 21:06:11 BoRTP (Beer over Real Time Protocol) Jan 15 21:06:17 Lol Jan 15 21:06:19 cbx - if you did a backup using a full version of OS2008 then you should not have any problems Jan 15 21:06:21 you pour, I will wait here for beer to come out Jan 15 21:06:27 if however you backed up using 2007 then you might have Jan 15 21:06:30 Guiness only please :) Jan 15 21:06:36 just let's hope the RTP isn't run on top of IP over Avian Carrier networks Jan 15 21:07:02 we have guiness here though. I'm sure BoRTP wouldn't care. Jan 15 21:07:02 < didn't consider peopel are actually still running 2007OS Jan 15 21:07:02 no no Jan 15 21:07:07 I was on os2008 on the n800 Jan 15 21:07:11 latest release Jan 15 21:07:13 meh cant install autoconf either Jan 15 21:07:14 was it beta of 2008 Jan 15 21:07:15 hehe Jan 15 21:07:18 just checking Jan 15 21:07:21 lcuk_3, no Jan 15 21:07:25 it would be nice if the deps would be more loose Jan 15 21:07:27 full release Jan 15 21:07:30 ahhh right cbx, it should be fine, but if you are restoring anyway try it and let us know Jan 15 21:07:36 I will Jan 15 21:07:39 if it works we will add it to our borg memory Jan 15 21:07:42 I can always flash it again right? Jan 15 21:07:45 thanks Jan 15 21:07:47 yer Jan 15 21:08:04 how does one flash a n810 ? Jan 15 21:08:10 with a torch Jan 15 21:08:14 you find the brighest LED you can Jan 15 21:08:16 I had no cd or anything Jan 15 21:08:16 is it not the same way as an n800? Jan 15 21:08:21 anyone here ever tun n810 stolen os on the n800? Jan 15 21:08:24 LinuxCode, no you download the flasher utility Jan 15 21:08:30 LinuxCode, via USB cable from your computer Jan 15 21:08:31 not beta Jan 15 21:08:36 penguinbait, ?? Jan 15 21:08:39 Hopefully, it's a light beer being shoved down the,pipes... We don't want our isp to get drunk... Jan 15 21:08:39 linux, in reality if you got the cable that came with it you get the flasher utility from nokia Jan 15 21:08:40 czr, kk thx Jan 15 21:08:45 they are the same right? Jan 15 21:08:47 penguinbait, tun? Jan 15 21:08:49 and cbx33 Jan 15 21:08:53 heheh Jan 15 21:08:57 I ran the n810 firmware on the n800 prior to n800 releasing 2008 beta Jan 15 21:09:13 oh i see Jan 15 21:09:16 you went back in time? Jan 15 21:09:21 I am running latest OS now Jan 15 21:09:21 you were one of the naughty ones ;) Jan 15 21:09:22 but Jan 15 21:09:30 hmm. has 2008 been released for N800? Jan 15 21:09:35 czr, yes Jan 15 21:09:36 yes Jan 15 21:09:37 * czr has been vacationing Jan 15 21:09:39 I have it Jan 15 21:09:40 thanks Jan 15 21:09:48 in about, in control panel, I have unknown instead of version Jan 15 21:09:52 there is actually a second release isn't it? Jan 15 21:10:08 I'm still running a pre-release on it Jan 15 21:10:18 ahh Jan 15 21:10:21 czr upgrade Jan 15 21:10:23 or rather, it's been installed, the device is powered off for ages :-) Jan 15 21:10:23 painless here Jan 15 21:10:26 anyone else show unknown on latest 2008 n800 os Jan 15 21:10:29 err. I know :-) Jan 15 21:10:33 penguinbait, not tried Jan 15 21:10:35 I just don't use the devices much Jan 15 21:10:37 I think it's time I get a bluetooth keyboard... Or put my thumbs on a diet Jan 15 21:10:55 ki6amd, you could strech them Jan 15 21:11:09 Sounds too painful Jan 15 21:11:15 version: 2.2007.50-2 Jan 15 21:11:16 or put them on a workout schedule Jan 15 21:11:21 no carbs either Jan 15 21:11:51 anyone else here try the 2008os on n800 prior to beta release? Jan 15 21:12:01 lcuk_3, snap Jan 15 21:12:04 Less McDonald's too? Jan 15 21:12:20 lol tar wont install either Jan 15 21:12:23 same thing Jan 15 21:12:33 penguinbait, you mean after it was released for 810, but before they beta tested it for 800? or something else Jan 15 21:12:44 penguinbait, me Jan 15 21:12:51 but I didn't use the 810 fw on it. Jan 15 21:13:27 Well, gotta run, see ya'll l8r Jan 15 21:14:39 how do i know if i am marked away - does my name change in here or do i just get greyed out? Jan 15 21:15:36 lcuk_3, your name doesn't change. it shouldn't. Jan 15 21:15:37 no I am wondering if anyone used 810 firmware on n800? Jan 15 21:15:39 lcuk: name doesn't change. other than that, it's totally dependent upon what client one's using. Jan 15 21:15:42 lcuk_3, /whois lcuk_3 Jan 15 21:15:46 anyone else that is Jan 15 21:15:47 (how it's shown) Jan 15 21:15:57 or depending on client, the name might be of different color in some list of nicks. Jan 15 21:16:11 but at least it should show on /whois, yes. Jan 15 21:16:17 yer i'd just seen a few people changing names Jan 15 21:16:24 it's very annoying Jan 15 21:16:33 they just lurk on 20 channels and spam each channel on afk/aways Jan 15 21:16:34 ive got name list in my client i just didnt know how it worked in here Jan 15 21:18:15 right, heads or tails folks ( heads i play with python, tails i code in Portal ) or something like that Jan 15 21:18:32 both. Jan 15 21:18:39 hence the language of Porhon is born. Jan 15 21:18:46 but i will drop my companion cube if i have to indent Jan 15 21:19:08 porn is born Jan 15 21:19:12 i just realised i havent even booted it up since i got n810 Jan 15 21:19:22 Al gore invented porn, right after the internet Jan 15 21:19:25 duh! Jan 15 21:19:55 but porn was already invented b4 the internet Jan 15 21:20:20 okok Jan 15 21:20:20 the bible originally started as a TGP Jan 15 21:20:25 streaming porn Jan 15 21:21:24 penguinbait: silly you. Of course he invented the internet to have a series of tubes to send his porn through. Unfortunately, the instructions were a bit clear, he wanted physical tubes but what got out of it was virtual tubes. Jan 15 21:21:32 But that did, unfortunately, not stop the porn. Jan 15 21:21:58 (or fortunately, depending on your point of view) Jan 15 21:22:26 alterego, http://koltsoff.com/pub/hello-n800/ Jan 15 21:22:42 becareful with your point of view, you'll have someones eye out with it Jan 15 21:23:42 could someone please confirm this funny sbox bug (chinook arm)? do "touch stat.so" Jan 15 21:24:27 youll poke your eye out! Jan 15 21:24:29 youll poke your eye out! Jan 15 21:24:58 WARNING: do not look at the porn with your remaining eye Jan 15 21:25:07 sorry its that 24hours of a christmas story around the holidays Jan 15 21:25:28 jott, ok Jan 15 21:25:42 jott, interesting :-) Jan 15 21:25:42 I just want a red rider bb gun? Jan 15 21:26:04 jott, now my sbox is broken btw :-) Jan 15 21:26:10 you can just "rm" it to fix it ;) Jan 15 21:26:22 jott, but hey, that's pretty cool :-) Jan 15 21:26:25 I tar mine up as soon as its setup Jan 15 21:26:28 the X86 side doesn't have it? Jan 15 21:26:38 makes recovery easier Jan 15 21:26:46 and alternate sbox instanes also Jan 15 21:27:00 yeah especially if there is really a stat.so and hence the build fails ;) Jan 15 21:27:02 s/instanes/instances Jan 15 21:27:04 ah, X86 is also broken Jan 15 21:27:19 jott, my sbox breaks completely once I execute that. login fails as well after that Jan 15 21:27:37 i gather i shouldnt try touching the stats on the 810? Jan 15 21:27:39 'import site' failed; use -v for traceback.. Jan 15 21:27:42 eek.. yeah just delete the file.. Jan 15 21:27:49 jott, I know. just very interesting. Jan 15 21:27:53 indeed Jan 15 21:28:27 jott, any ideas what causes it? Jan 15 21:28:33 that's python breaking for sure, but why.. Jan 15 21:28:40 and which python :-) Jan 15 21:28:57 touch is a binary command, so it's not that. but the sbox environment uses python for something on the background or something similar? Jan 15 21:29:19 yeah all is wrapped in a python session afaik Jan 15 21:29:26 to delegate host/target stuff Jan 15 21:29:34 "great" :-) Jan 15 21:29:45 haha Jan 15 21:29:48 I found another one Jan 15 21:29:50 os.so ;-) Jan 15 21:29:55 different error too ;-) Jan 15 21:30:13 hehe luckly this is not a production env.. i imagine very nice code injections with this one.. Jan 15 21:30:22 jott, have you reported this yet? Jan 15 21:30:28 no just discovered it.. Jan 15 21:30:32 * czr nods Jan 15 21:30:43 yeah. interesting stuff. Jan 15 21:30:44 where should i report this anyway? :) Jan 15 21:30:53 maybe it's fixed upstream already.. Jan 15 21:30:54 ask on #scratchbox Jan 15 21:31:00 yeah good point Jan 15 21:31:13 they'll know what to do with bugs from maemo versions of sbox I guess Jan 15 21:31:21 and reporting them in maemo wouldn't make much sense I guess Jan 15 21:32:06 the culprit is /scratchbox/tools/bin/intehbox Jan 15 21:32:10 inthebox even Jan 15 21:33:49 yep.. Jan 15 21:34:23 though i don't see that file does something wrong (but importing sys and os :) Jan 15 21:34:40 and probably doing a stat :) Jan 15 21:34:51 I'm working on a fix Jan 15 21:35:08 well. it does use chroot. which implies root privs Jan 15 21:35:17 or no. it doesn't :-) Jan 15 21:37:54 jott, interesting that python by default does not do that. it's the sbox version that's somehow broken Jan 15 21:38:52 Is Khertan around? Jan 15 21:38:58 lets try an ltrace of the sbox session :).. Jan 15 21:44:03 /usr/bin/scratchbox: line 234: 21359 Segmentation fault (core dumped) Jan 15 21:44:04 nice Jan 15 21:44:19 i didn't know the n810 only had one memory card slot Jan 15 21:44:22 and that it wasn't sd Jan 15 21:48:16 I amtrying to build evince (the ported one in garage), but pkg-config complains Jan 15 21:48:25 checking for GDU_MODULE_VERSION_CHECK... configure: error: Package requirements (gnome-doc-utils >= 0.3.2) were not met: Jan 15 21:48:29 No package 'gnome-doc-utils' found Jan 15 21:49:30 back Jan 15 21:49:35 jott, it's not simple Jan 15 21:49:41 it's an evil thing. Jan 15 21:50:46 hm yeah and the #scratchbox people are away or asleep atm.. Jan 15 21:52:13 22:51 < dpb> It's a known bug pto Jan 15 21:52:17 22:51 < jott> ok, is there a workaround? tobb Jan 15 21:52:20 22:51 < dpb> No, as far as I know. veli Jan 15 21:52:24 :/ Jan 15 21:52:52 (ignore the pto tobb veli ;) Jan 15 21:52:58 interesting Jan 15 21:54:00 I might have found a solution Jan 15 21:54:07 although I'm not at all sure whether it's the correct one. Jan 15 21:55:09 jott, you using the env to build something? Jan 15 21:55:15 (i.e., you want to test the fix?) Jan 15 21:55:22 anybody knows how I can disable the gnome-doc-utils check? Jan 15 21:56:51 czr: sure i'll give it a try Jan 15 21:56:53 http://bugzilla.scratchbox.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=298 Jan 15 21:57:40 jott, outside sbox, do the following: Jan 15 21:57:56 modify the #! line of /scratchbox/tools/bin/inthebox to read: #!/usr/bin/python -E Jan 15 21:58:03 (original is /usr/bin/env python) Jan 15 21:58:19 the problem is caused by python reading site.py when it starts (before any script is executed) Jan 15 21:58:26 that was the part which triggered the problems Jan 15 21:58:36 I'm getting an 'operation failed' when I try to update my apps list in the app manager Jan 15 21:58:48 jott, you have account in sbox-bugzilla? or should I report this? Jan 15 21:59:00 or rather, report the fix and observations Jan 15 21:59:06 czr: no i have no account.. i guess adding to 298 would be good.. Jan 15 21:59:15 jott, ok. will do. Jan 15 21:59:18 tell me how it goes Jan 15 21:59:24 (testing the fix) Jan 15 21:59:25 wooot Jan 15 21:59:30 igo for 18 pounds o.o Jan 15 21:59:46 czr looks good so far.. (don't know if it has side effects yetz) Jan 15 22:00:40 yeah, I did some small builds only, so can't vouch for the correctness yet Jan 15 22:02:00 should I worry much if osso-software-version (the version pining to 50-2) is going to be removed? Jan 15 22:02:10 I get the feeling that I shouldn't worry too much, but I dunno Jan 15 22:02:35 oh, this thing wants to install e2fslibs and progs, this is useless Jan 15 22:03:17 is it as easy to R+D mode on n810? Jan 15 22:03:39 czr: hmm.. this also affects some other places (dpkg-buildpackage still fails as it seems) Jan 15 22:05:29 jott, 'still fails'? Jan 15 22:06:13 yeah, a dir with "stat.so" still produces the error (as in "inthebox" is not the only place to fix) Jan 15 22:06:34 okay, either is a bug in BT kb support in OS2008 or I am doing something very wrong - what would cause the OSK to be disappear (even though there is no active BT keyboard for over 2 hours) and cause the lock screen/key to not happen when it thinks it is idle Jan 15 22:06:50 jott, ahh. interesting Jan 15 22:10:22 jott, added the info Jan 15 22:11:19 yeah let's see if there will be some response :) thanks Jan 15 22:11:32 re Jan 15 22:11:53 any financial app for os2008 ? Jan 15 22:11:56 jott, yup. joined sbox as well. Jan 15 22:13:53 Can anyone point me to a page that list what the n800 buttons reprenent (like dpad center is F8 or something) Jan 15 22:17:02 zeEez, those are listed in the maemo sdk tutorial Jan 15 22:17:05 afair Jan 15 22:17:37 anyone seen this error in scratchbox: checking whether the C compiler works... configure: error: cannot run C compiled programs. Jan 15 22:17:45 ? Jan 15 22:19:01 czr: got a real fix (see #scratchbox) Jan 15 22:22:39 ds3: I've had the same problem Jan 15 22:23:24 if I am using a BT keyboard, then I take the N800 out of range, it won't switch back to the OSK (at least sometimes) Jan 15 22:23:40 even if I remove the BT keyboard from the Bluetooth configuration Jan 15 22:25:00 pickl1, did sbox work before? Jan 15 22:25:06 I mean, have you ever used it succesfully? Jan 15 22:25:44 yes i had a helloworld going ok Jan 15 22:26:02 did you do anything after that? Jan 15 22:26:07 and just built an app for x86 Jan 15 22:26:24 how did you install the ARMEL target? Jan 15 22:26:51 just followed the instructions in the sdk Jan 15 22:27:38 describe your environment Jan 15 22:27:59 ubuntu gutsy with chinook first release sdk Jan 15 22:28:03 which arch Jan 15 22:28:14 x86 Jan 15 22:28:16 also, do you still have the error (and was it verbatim copy pasted) Jan 15 22:28:36 yes, is it ok to paste here? Jan 15 22:28:44 no Jan 15 22:28:52 can you pastebin the whole command invocation and output Jan 15 22:29:03 pastebin? Jan 15 22:29:04 (not paste here, but use pastebin.org) Jan 15 22:29:19 i'll have a look Jan 15 22:29:26 copy-paste it there, then press send, then give me the url here Jan 15 22:30:37 cheers - its http://www.pastebin.org/15564 Jan 15 22:31:40 try building a small C hello world in ARMEL side Jan 15 22:31:53 will do Jan 15 22:31:56 if that works (and runs), the problem is in the software configure script Jan 15 22:32:08 if hello world fails as well, then your setup is broken (somehow) Jan 15 22:32:20 * lcuk_3 doesn't like pastebin normally, its great that it keeps irc clean but the default is a 1 month retention - irc logs last much longer... Jan 15 22:32:43 lcuk_3, better pastebin than spamming channels Jan 15 22:32:50 100% agree Jan 15 22:32:59 its the retention period that bothers me Jan 15 22:33:17 you can switch the retention period Jan 15 22:33:28 although I guess no one does :-) Jan 15 22:33:32 yer you know that and i do because we look, but lots dont Jan 15 22:33:51 * czr nods Jan 15 22:34:03 I guess another issue would be storage space requirements Jan 15 22:34:12 although I don't know how pastebin is sponsored Jan 15 22:34:17 as with all things Jan 15 22:34:33 i tried looking when i started noticing links to it Jan 15 22:35:17 czr: helloworld compiles ok Jan 15 22:35:31 pickl1, try a simpler autotools package then Jan 15 22:35:51 I'd guess there's a problem in the configure script of jive Jan 15 22:36:00 at least the command line looks very weird Jan 15 22:36:06 using --host and --target etc.. Jan 15 22:36:18 you're not supposed to need those in ARMEL target in sbox Jan 15 22:36:27 it all built fine for x86 Jan 15 22:36:35 and ran in xephyr Jan 15 22:36:45 is it normal to need two versions? Jan 15 22:37:19 meh Jan 15 22:37:32 why doesnt the email client find the right certificate Jan 15 22:37:33 ;-| Jan 15 22:37:38 I imported the certs Jan 15 22:41:18 dhd: any workarounds? Jan 15 22:55:58 pickl1, two versions of what? Jan 15 22:56:15 pickl1, X86 is meant for development. the armel side only for final building (not testing) Jan 15 22:56:28 pickl1, although a lot of people build on arm and test directly on the device Jan 15 22:56:34 build on armel even. Jan 15 22:57:14 two versions of the makefile Jan 15 22:57:45 normally not Jan 15 22:57:52 depends on the build system that the project is using really Jan 15 22:58:17 projects that use autotools don't use makefiles normally (directly) or use automake or similar other tools Jan 15 22:58:33 and people who write makefiles fluently normally use only one makefile (but require GNU make or similar to run it) Jan 15 22:59:28 But autotools syntax is enough to make a grown man eat his own head. Jan 15 22:59:59 what the heck.... Jan 15 23:00:04 what card type fits in the n810 Jan 15 23:00:10 I don't seem to have anything that fits Jan 15 23:00:54 minisd Jan 15 23:01:00 GRRR Jan 15 23:01:11 mini-SD Jan 15 23:01:13 now I have to buy a minisd one Jan 15 23:01:16 ah. I was late Jan 15 23:01:36 You didn't know this going in? Jan 15 23:02:01 nope Jan 15 23:05:03 * jsmith-away wanders away... Jan 15 23:05:05 any of you guys using certificates to sign email on the N800 or N810 ? Jan 15 23:06:41 cbx33, you could buy a MicroSD with adapter, to be sure to use it in other devices too Jan 15 23:07:21 cbx33, in the Uk you can get a micro one for £40 8GB Jan 15 23:07:21 i just have sd cards Jan 15 23:07:29 <|tbb|> oh nokia announce .....something really bad Jan 15 23:07:34 LinuxCode, will 8Gb work with the n810? Jan 15 23:07:37 what? Jan 15 23:07:37 comes with sd adapter Jan 15 23:07:40 yes Jan 15 23:07:44 should do Jan 15 23:08:13 I will get one myself Jan 15 23:08:23 however, I still have loads of space here hehe Jan 15 23:08:31 <|tbb|> they closed a manufactory in bochum (germany) 2300 employers without work then. Jan 15 23:08:49 thats because Germans are too expensive... Jan 15 23:09:05 guess why Germanies economy aint good Jan 15 23:09:18 35hour weeks and all lol Jan 15 23:09:42 not an economic reality Im afraid... Jan 15 23:09:57 <|tbb|> not all Jan 15 23:10:06 anyway Jan 15 23:10:11 HELP! Jan 15 23:10:12 lol Jan 15 23:10:16 * LinuxCode cries Jan 15 23:10:30 imported certificates..and I dont get why the email client wont see them Jan 15 23:10:31 ;-| Jan 15 23:11:03 * |tbb| wonder if it has something to do with the discount code nokia had spend Jan 15 23:12:36 cbx33: alternate.de has kingston 4gb class 6 miniSD for 22 euro Jan 15 23:12:51 s/gb/GB Jan 15 23:12:54 thanks Jan 15 23:13:24 i tried it out in the store Jan 15 23:14:45 brb (not that i've actually said anything!) Jan 15 23:15:00 sweet fbreader can read chm Jan 15 23:15:02 ;-D Jan 15 23:21:54 pupnik_: would you suggest to use the kingston? they also have a transcend that is supposed to do 7/8MB/s instead of 6/6MB/s... Jan 15 23:22:27 yes they did not have the transcend in stock, i was going to purchase it to do a speed comparison Jan 15 23:23:22 are there any hardcore twitter'rs here? Jan 15 23:23:56 yeah i just got a 1gb card atm (and need a bigger one).. but the alternate prices seem quite ok.. Jan 15 23:23:59 i'm using my 700 Jan 15 23:24:27 770, he, as my main twitter device Jan 15 23:24:49 wish th Jan 15 23:25:17 hate this on-screen k/b sometimes! Jan 15 23:27:01 <|tbb|> how can i change shortcuts of osso-browser like ctrl+l for open location to any other key Jan 15 23:33:24 9 Jan 15 23:34:04 Jan 15 23:42:01 cool, i can start sdl games under os2008 with just a regular .desktop link Jan 15 23:42:47 hmm...maybe I'll try to compile LTris then (unless someone has beaten me to it?) Jan 15 23:45:55 well...that was a painless compile Jan 15 23:46:00 I wonder if it runs... Jan 15 23:52:12 does anyone know if the google gmail interface works well on 8x0? would it just be a case of changing the browser ident thingy Jan 15 23:52:13 wow...that works great Jan 15 23:53:07 howdy Jan 15 23:53:11 lcuk_3, do you mean the default gmail interface? or the basic html interface? or the gmail interface for a different device? Jan 15 23:53:14 Esotic, hi Jan 15 23:53:20 anybody know the exact processor model for the N800? Jan 15 23:53:41 I'm trying to investigate the architecture :) Jan 15 23:53:51 Esotic, its on nokias site Jan 15 23:54:01 same as n810 Jan 15 23:54:05 john, google have released an interface specifically for iphone with big fonts and clearer layout for restricted size Jan 15 23:54:19 they say just browse to it from the iphone Jan 15 23:54:27 lcuk_3, ehh Jan 15 23:54:31 iphone... Jan 15 23:54:39 dont need that on the N810 Jan 15 23:54:41 http://www.downloadsquad.com/2008/01/14/google-unveils-new-iphone-interace-for-google-apps/ Jan 15 23:54:45 lcuk_3, you didn't mention that at first :P Jan 15 23:55:06 crap! i was sure i mentioned iphone at first sorry Jan 15 23:55:15 no prob Jan 15 23:55:18 i did on the first revision lol Jan 15 23:55:32 why would you need that anyway ?!?! Jan 15 23:55:39 just set the zoom level Jan 15 23:55:46 and if i set it to basic html it works well, but then every device with my login uses basic Jan 15 23:56:24 i played with zoom and it was fiddly Jan 15 23:56:48 so i just stick with everything on 100% (min font size adjusted though) Jan 15 23:56:51 I find gmail imap to work great with modest Jan 15 23:57:39 lcuk_3, http://mail.google.com/mail/x/ Jan 15 23:58:33 hmm...actually I don't think that's the new one...but it's much faster Jan 15 23:59:37 yer it is, its the total minimum one, but i will try it now Jan 16 00:00:17 Esotic, if you didn't get it: OMAP2420 Jan 16 00:00:30 gmail has imap now? Jan 16 00:00:53 lophyte, yeah. it works great, too. Jan 16 00:01:00 nice. Jan 16 00:01:18 i saw that listed somewhere, but i also saw a page on the ARM site http://www.arm.com/markets/mobile_solutions/armpp/19121.html Jan 16 00:02:54 Esotic, as I understand it: ARM11 is a family, OMAP2420 is the chipset, and Armv6tej is the instruction set Jan 16 00:03:32 Thanks! Jan 16 00:04:06 Esotic, want the contents of cat /proc/cpuinfo or dmesg? Jan 16 00:05:00 I'm just doing some investigating. I've done ASM/SIMD for x86 and am wondering if I can port some of that knowledge to n800 development Jan 16 00:05:39 are those commands I can use in a shell on the n800? Jan 16 00:07:00 Esotic, yes. Sorry. I assumed you were familiar with Linux. those commands tell you info about the CPU and provide the "boot log" respectively Jan 16 00:07:54 I used Linux in college and am just getting back into it since getting my N800 for Christmas :) Jan 16 00:08:03 well, Unix in college, anyhow Jan 16 00:10:28 what I'm really looking for is some reference material for the instruction set Jan 16 00:12:04 <|tbb|> johnx, hmmh really fast the mail/x/ url Jan 16 00:12:24 Esotic, Armv6 would probably be the search term to use in that case Jan 16 00:13:52 so are you developing for the nokia tablets? Jan 16 00:14:10 Esotic, nah. I just hack around and package stuff from time to time. Jan 16 00:14:22 * |tbb| everytime wonders how fast the search of messages returns your result if u use googles search messages function Jan 16 00:15:09 i've been doing visual studio development in windows for years, and am having to learn some processes for this environment Jan 16 00:16:14 hello. Would someone know why the web browser in 770 insists on opening .deb files as text? Jan 16 00:16:37 Mikho, is it from every site? or just one? Jan 16 00:17:09 don't know Jan 16 00:17:13 it could be an incorrent mime-type setting on the site or some problem with mime-type settings on your 770 Jan 16 00:17:36 s/incorrent/incorrect/g Jan 16 00:17:36 johnx meant: it could be an incorrect mime-type setting on the site or some problem with mime-type settings on your 770 Jan 16 00:18:39 Mikho : as a temp. fix, try right clicking and saving the deb. Jan 16 00:19:26 how can I right click with the stylus? Jan 16 00:19:33 Mikho, tap and hold Jan 16 00:19:42 nearest to right click is hold it down Jan 16 00:19:43 nice Jan 16 00:19:48 Esotic, Linux/Unix is pretty different than Windows. Do you have a desktop machine running Linux or a Linux vmware image on WIndows to do dev work in? Jan 16 00:21:48 I installed Debian on one of my athlon boxes using an external SATA so I can dual boot Jan 16 00:22:11 I got the Scratchbox and Xypher setup and ran through some "Hello, World" stuff Jan 16 00:22:29 I don't think I had this problem before Jan 16 00:23:13 Mikho, which site is giving you problems? Does the browser on your desktop try to open the same .deb as text? Jan 16 00:23:27 there's no save option in the "right click" menu Jan 16 00:23:59 Mikho, "Save target as..." Jan 16 00:24:12 Mikho, you have to make sure that you tap and hold *exactly on the link* Jan 16 00:24:23 I had some free time at work today and was doing some investigating, which lead to my questions. I'm kinda jumping the gun as I know so little about Linux development, but I like coding in assembly, so there you go :) Jan 16 00:24:39 I've run into a situation a couple times where I thought I had clicked on the link but had actually clicked the background Jan 16 00:24:50 there's "open", "open in new window" "add link to bookmarks" and "copy link location" Jan 16 00:25:00 but no save target Jan 16 00:25:21 are you on the device now or are you typing from your desktop Jan 16 00:25:25 Mikho, hmm...I don't have a 770. I figured it would be the same as the browser on the n800 Jan 16 00:25:35 I have a windows machine and my 770 here Jan 16 00:25:52 It's a bit hard to try to open the deb from my pc Jan 16 00:26:20 if the link isnt too long, type it here Jan 16 00:26:29 hmm? you can't just click the link and see if it downloads it or tries to open it as text? Jan 16 00:26:35 Mikho: or if you have wget, you can copy the location and wget that. Jan 16 00:26:42 <|tbb|> GeneralAntilles: r u around Jan 16 00:27:12 Sorta. Playing Tremulous. Jan 16 00:27:24 http://www.ee.oulu.fi/~mipoloja/ideasilo/ideasilo_0.2.0_armel.deb Jan 16 00:27:42 Mikho, it's a problem with the web server Jan 16 00:27:57 they don't have the mime-type for .deb setup right Jan 16 00:28:13 I'd be happy if I could just download it Jan 16 00:28:20 but I can't find the option anywhere Jan 16 00:29:02 well, I don't have a 770 in my hands right now. I was sure it would have a "save target as..." option but I guess not Jan 16 00:29:56 try letting the whole .deb load as a text file then click the menu -> Web page -> Save as... Jan 16 00:30:24 well, it has worked pretty well before Jan 16 00:30:48 It seems the deb will get corrupted if I save it as text Jan 16 00:30:51 <|tbb|> http://tinyurl.com/2k6u54 Jan 16 00:31:04 <|tbb|> is the short version of mikho url Jan 16 00:31:36 Mikho, I don't think it will Jan 16 00:32:10 <|tbb|> anyway gnite Jan 16 00:32:15 'night Jan 16 00:32:26 Mikho, I just tested and it doesn't corrupt it Jan 16 00:32:35 exactly the same md5sum as a direct download Jan 16 00:32:51 hm Jan 16 00:33:09 ok, for some other reason I'm unable to install the deb Jan 16 00:33:18 anyone here successfully pair a dell or ? bt-309 or308 gps? Jan 16 00:33:28 Mikho, problems with dependencies? Jan 16 00:34:05 dpkg -i the deb file gives weird error messages Jan 16 00:35:02 Mikho, put them on pastebin and I'll look at them Jan 16 00:35:23 dpkg-deb (subprocess):short read in buffer_copy (failed to write to pipe in copy) Jan 16 00:35:44 dpkg-deb: subprocess paste returned error exit status 2 Jan 16 00:35:46 that's interesting Jan 16 00:36:05 I don't know how to solve that...but I ran into the same error once Jan 16 00:36:18 and it has worked perfectly before Jan 16 00:36:23 never seen this error Jan 16 00:36:51 it works in the emulator just fine Jan 16 00:36:51 maybe opera on the 770, did manage to corrupt the file then? Jan 16 00:36:56 sorry, I'm at a loss Jan 16 00:37:12 right.. .the deb is half the size Jan 16 00:37:19 my opera has gone mad Jan 16 00:37:29 ah Jan 16 00:39:07 oh, ok... I was supposed to open the text file and wait until it has loaded completely before selecting save page as... Jan 16 00:39:25 managed to install the software, but my opera is still acting strange :/ Jan 16 00:40:02 well, I can tell you that the reason the .deb appeared as text is a problem with their webserver Jan 16 00:40:11 it appeared as text on firefox on my desktop as well Jan 16 00:40:42 I see Jan 16 00:40:55 is there anything I could do about it? Jan 16 00:42:13 ask the person who runs the webserver to fix it Jan 16 00:42:20 oh well, thanks for advice. It was helpful to know saving it from the text screen doesn't corrupt the package Jan 16 00:43:31 sure...I've run into the same problem before and had to use that trick more than once :) Jan 16 00:45:29 but I still wonder why it doesn't offer the download option directly Jan 16 00:46:17 you mean from the "tap and hold" menu? or why the website doesn't work? Jan 16 00:57:00 the tap and hold menu Jan 16 00:57:38 it's pretty usual the admins keep changing settings without telling me Jan 16 01:37:07 is it just me or is mplayer way more responsive on the N810 Jan 16 01:37:30 than the player nokia supplies Jan 16 01:37:36 Pretty much. Jan 16 01:37:48 hought it was just me.. Jan 16 01:37:51 way better Jan 16 01:37:52 ! Jan 16 01:38:23 Lot more optimization Jan 16 01:38:39 and a lot of optimization that Nokia couldn't really do with their media player. Jan 16 01:39:30 How is mplayer more responsive? It doesn't have a UI? Jan 16 01:40:05 Ha Jan 16 01:40:22 ok I guess Im dreaming then Jan 16 01:40:29 GMPlayer interface Jan 16 01:40:31 its fake Jan 16 01:40:38 you are all fake..im asleep Jan 16 01:40:42 lol Jan 16 02:26:12 Cool, got a USB WiFi dongle running on my N810 :) Jan 16 02:26:14 * alterego is happy. Jan 16 02:26:31 alterego, what are you doing for power? Jan 16 02:26:48 Powered USB hub Jan 16 02:26:49 alter, is that for when you need double speed connection? Jan 16 02:26:59 lcuk_3, yes .. I'm gonna do ether bonding .. Jan 16 02:27:05 Heh, only kidding. Jan 16 02:27:11 heh Jan 16 02:27:13 It's for promisc mode. Jan 16 02:27:14 so was i, why on earth do you need it Jan 16 02:27:19 ahhh Jan 16 02:27:38 you could do packet injection with it, then sniff from the built-in wifi I guess Jan 16 02:27:41 My job entails quite a bit of network discovery. Jan 16 02:27:41 i fscked my usb and made my 810 reboot with just a keyboard yesterday Jan 16 02:28:07 I made my N810 hang earlier by insmod'ing the wrong module ^_^ Jan 16 02:28:16 ... Jan 16 02:28:38 hopefully they'll continue to iron out the USB issues going forward Jan 16 02:29:01 the keyboard worked really well at first, BUT it couldnt handle chording Jan 16 02:29:06 (i experimented) Jan 16 02:29:26 on the powered hub its fine, but if i bashed more than one key with it direct it went over power Jan 16 02:29:26 Odd Jan 16 02:29:47 it must have just been on the cusp Jan 16 02:30:34 i got a plainjane keyboard as well, didnt want it doin any of the fancy multimedia key processing Jan 16 02:31:31 linux question: i think i know my root password, but since i dont need it for anything now (its saved in the couple of places i needed it) how can i test and check Jan 16 02:32:16 you could try logging in over ssh Jan 16 02:32:27 connection details are saved Jan 16 02:32:54 tell you what, ill type it here and you can remotely check its ok Jan 16 02:33:02 ******** Jan 16 02:33:09 :P Jan 16 02:33:27 hey! that's the same as my root password! Jan 16 02:33:36 :O Jan 16 02:33:36 ...you could always reset it with passwd after you're logged in as root Jan 16 02:33:49 thats "passwd" isnt it Jan 16 02:34:01 oh crap Jan 16 02:34:06 helps if i read properly Jan 16 02:34:25 heh...it's ok. but I was very confused for a couple seconds Jan 16 02:34:32 thanks ill check it first - i know on the 810 keyboard i had to use a different one Jan 16 02:35:23 cant stand it now, the more i use it the more i wishes nokia had included better layout Jan 16 02:36:45 'better'? Jan 16 02:37:21 missing tab, no pipe on single key Jan 16 02:37:31 the zaurus c3x00/1000 is an example of this "better" you speak of Jan 16 02:37:39 ive used smaller keyboards better Jan 16 02:38:00 Are most users of N810 *nix shell hackers? Jan 16 02:38:24 no, neither was that the target market of the Zaurus Jan 16 02:38:38 some people like to type numbers or indent their text though Jan 16 02:38:57 Anyway, i want to make some changes for mine also (pipe, alt, tab) Jan 16 02:39:05 is xmodmap the way to do it, or something else? Jan 16 02:39:20 tab i am going to change to dpad centre Jan 16 02:39:34 but that will fck other people up who use it Jan 16 02:39:45 xmodmap would do it on a normal Linux. I have no idea on maemo Jan 16 02:39:52 then map the enter key to the carriage return as well, and not the numpad enter Jan 16 02:39:52 Nokia-N810-50-2:~# w00t Jan 16 02:39:56 * johnx has an N800 Jan 16 02:40:25 i think i read a blog entry on planet about someone doing just those changes using xmodmap... Jan 16 02:40:32 btw, my OS2006 SDL apps run on OS2008, but the Fn key doesn't wokr Jan 16 02:40:38 i think xmodmap will work - i read articles about it working but at the time i hadnt done gainroot Jan 16 02:40:56 you shouldn't need to gainroot Jan 16 02:40:59 thx t_s_o - if anyone finds a howto please paste the link Jan 16 02:41:31 they were discussing other things - an rx-44 keyboard layout file or something, it needed root to modify Jan 16 02:41:37 hrmf, thats the one thing planet.maemo.org is missing, a search ;) Jan 16 02:41:44 oh wait, google blogsearch :D Jan 16 02:42:22 http://www.thisismobility.com/blog/2007/12/31/adding-pipe-and-tab-to-the-n810-keyboard/ Jan 16 02:44:14 thats the one i read... and the comment explains the way i tried Jan 16 02:44:21 ah Jan 16 02:44:49 thanks for digging up i was hunting my shortcuts Jan 16 02:45:13 np, just entered xmodmap and n810 into google blogsearch and it was the first one there Jan 16 02:46:51 hmmm firefox threw it into the default bin folder Jan 16 02:46:57 * pupnik_ awards t_s_o two internets for the useful link Jan 16 02:47:00 am i the only person who saves thousands of links Jan 16 02:47:24 lcuk_3, yes Jan 16 02:47:45 Used to Jan 16 02:47:51 lol - i leave breadcrumbs of anything along the way and can normally find things Jan 16 02:47:51 then I realized I never used them again Jan 16 02:47:56 and couldn't find things I wanted. Jan 16 02:48:02 same here Jan 16 02:48:15 i keep a list of about 15 useful ones but the rest are just in case Jan 16 02:48:23 Never really got into del.icio.us, either. Jan 16 02:48:29 I also realized that more often than not it was quicker to re-google something than to dig through my bookmarks Jan 16 02:48:39 ^ Jan 16 02:48:52 I really, really tried to like delicious Jan 16 02:48:55 normally its not too bad because i can look and see at a glance which night it was Jan 16 02:48:59 I wish they hadn't replaced the capslock key on OS2008 with a language selector. That really belongs in a menu, not where functionality has been removed. Jan 16 02:49:19 The pages I visit often are set up as shortcuts in OmniWeb Jan 16 02:49:41 for ages i had a homebuilt page with everything useful Jan 16 02:50:00 was quick as well Jan 16 02:50:03 Quite a cool feature. Type "itt" for internettablettalk.com, etc. Do searches with "imdb ". Jan 16 02:50:20 I use yubnub.org Jan 16 02:50:34 Very similar. Jan 16 02:51:06 (Even switched the microbrowser to default to it on my N800, so that I can type 'wp Foo' and search Wikipedia for "Foo".) Jan 16 02:51:08 heh, if find myself recalling the "content" of the page im looking for, but cant get google to figure out the exact page, instead giving me just about anything else Jan 16 02:51:37 that riles me Jan 16 02:51:48 i remember the layout more than specific words Jan 16 02:51:51 Yeah, I do that pretty often, too, t_s_o. Jan 16 02:51:58 i know theres a picture there and the text is over there Jan 16 02:52:40 * lcuk_3 can tell most common webpages from 40 paces Jan 16 02:53:13 they change so much text wise they arent memorable Jan 16 02:53:49 how was it one disabled the "smart" scrolling in the browser again? Jan 16 02:54:21 There's a bugzilla bug on it, t_s_o. Jan 16 02:54:28 thanks Jan 16 02:54:33 dpad, d-pad, or d pad or somesuch Jan 16 02:54:39 or just search for "snav" in the comments. Jan 16 02:54:50 It's a WONTFIX Jan 16 02:55:13 t_s_o: That where it scrolls from link to link? Jan 16 02:56:03 If you're using opera, you can fix it by editing the config file from xterm. Jan 16 02:56:19 I'd like to find a fix for the microb running on OS2K8. Jan 16 02:56:35 would it be in the about:config thing? Jan 16 02:56:50 I've looked with no luck. Jan 16 02:56:50 ThomasM: Thought that was what the 2008 browser was based off of Jan 16 02:56:56 Maybe a setting to add. Jan 16 02:57:09 Vulcanis: It is. Quite nice, really. Full gmail and all that. Jan 16 02:57:19 * GeneralAntilles sighs. Jan 16 02:57:20 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2423 Jan 16 02:57:30 See the comments. Jan 16 02:58:40 Doing so now, thank you. Jan 16 02:59:44 * lcuk_3 will try that as well, thanks gen Jan 16 02:59:56 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2423 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jan 16 02:59:57 2008