**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jan 16 02:59:57 2008
Jan 16 03:00:15 <lcuk> oooh thanks lc ;)
Jan 16 03:00:22 <lcuk> oh thanks lc ;)
Jan 16 03:00:33 <lcuk_3> damn mini kb
Jan 16 03:00:39 <ThomasM> Just disabling snav is all I wanted. Didn't really want a page down/page up.
Jan 16 03:01:06 <t_s_o> hmm, have anyone gotten msn to work with the chat beta?
Jan 16 03:03:57 <ustunozgur> t_s_o: yes
Jan 16 03:04:13 <lcuk_3> gen - are you still using the brightness mod from rm?
Jan 16 03:04:57 <GeneralAntilles> Yup
Jan 16 03:05:07 <lcuk_3> you have a later one dont you
Jan 16 03:05:36 <lcuk_3> where abouts is he based, so ill know when he may be on
Jan 16 03:05:42 <lcuk_3> (if you know)
Jan 16 03:05:56 <GeneralAntilles> US, I think
Jan 16 03:06:06 <GeneralAntilles> Usually later at night.
Jan 16 03:06:16 <GeneralAntilles> memoserv
Jan 16 03:06:29 <lcuk_3> yer ill grab him later in the week its not vital
Jan 16 03:06:39 <lcuk_3> one other thing...
Jan 16 03:07:00 <lcuk_3> do you ever sleep - you seem to be floating about more than me and i barely ever sleep
Jan 16 03:07:38 * lcuk_3 thinks gen is an android :P
Jan 16 03:08:24 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe
Jan 16 03:08:26 <GeneralAntilles> 'course I do. :P
Jan 16 03:08:42 <GeneralAntilles> My cat IRCs for me when I sleep.
Jan 16 03:08:58 <LinuxCode> GeneralAntilles, I wish my cat did that
Jan 16 03:09:18 <LinuxCode> instead he still hasnt understood the principal of catching mice inside and taking them out..
Jan 16 03:09:23 <LinuxCode> instead he brings them in
Jan 16 03:09:26 <lcuk_3> thats good then - ive seen you in more logs than anyone, you are great asset for the nokias :)
Jan 16 03:09:50 <johnx> and so is your cat :D
Jan 16 03:09:55 <lcuk_3> lol
Jan 16 03:10:26 <lcuk_3> gen's cat has taught gen to bring him mice on a platter
Jan 16 03:10:36 <GeneralAntilles> It's my big push to get myself a discount code for the N900. :P
Jan 16 03:10:42 <lcuk_3> with usb cables removed of course
Jan 16 03:10:43 <GeneralAntilles> *her
Jan 16 03:10:44 <LinuxCode> lol
Jan 16 03:10:46 <LinuxCode> N900
Jan 16 03:10:59 <LinuxCode> GeneralAntilles, ok..make a vmware dev image then
Jan 16 03:11:00 <LinuxCode> ;-p
Jan 16 03:11:11 <LinuxCode> so people can go straight to compiling stuff
Jan 16 03:11:13 <LinuxCode> hehe
Jan 16 03:11:13 <GeneralAntilles> No machines to run it on.
Jan 16 03:11:18 <lcuk_3> well if thats your game i think i will tie up a brainwave interface and work towards a t9000 ;)
Jan 16 03:11:25 <johnx> hmm
Jan 16 03:11:34 <GeneralAntilles> *over here.
Jan 16 03:12:02 <LinuxCode> lets see if these scripts do something nasty
Jan 16 03:12:04 <billh> hello friends
Jan 16 03:12:04 <LinuxCode> haha
Jan 16 03:12:21 <LinuxCode> Id really like a scratchbox dev environment
Jan 16 03:12:25 <LinuxCode> for the N810
Jan 16 03:12:25 <lcuk_3> http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/
Jan 16 03:12:27 <LinuxCode> vr0000m
Jan 16 03:12:31 <LinuxCode> omg!
Jan 16 03:12:36 * LinuxCode clicks
Jan 16 03:12:50 <lcuk_3> hello bill
Jan 16 03:12:51 <LinuxCode> omg!
Jan 16 03:12:55 <lcuk_3> yer linux
Jan 16 03:12:56 <LinuxCode> lcuk_3, will you marry me ?
Jan 16 03:12:59 <lcuk_3> all ready for you
Jan 16 03:13:03 <LinuxCode> ;-D
Jan 16 03:13:11 <lcuk_3> get in line, my missus is first
Jan 16 03:13:13 <LinuxCode> ok not literally of course
Jan 16 03:13:15 <LinuxCode> bahaha
Jan 16 03:13:16 <pupnik_> that was an unintended juxtaposition
Jan 16 03:13:16 <LinuxCode> ;-D
Jan 16 03:14:00 <lcuk_3> linux, that vmware image is supposed to be fully ready for you. i didnt get far enough in but i know others have done great things with it
Jan 16 03:14:22 <pupnik_> i'm seeding it
Jan 16 03:14:26 <LinuxCode> lcuk_3, sweet I will download it at uni tomorrow
Jan 16 03:14:28 <LinuxCode> ;-D
Jan 16 03:14:34 * LinuxCode bookmarks
Jan 16 03:14:58 <LinuxCode> theres a few core apps id like to package app
Jan 16 03:15:03 <LinuxCode> core as in that I use a lot
Jan 16 03:15:09 <LinuxCode> xchat for instance
Jan 16 03:15:16 <LinuxCode> amsn...stuff like that
Jan 16 03:15:16 <lcuk_3> xchat is already avail
Jan 16 03:15:26 <LinuxCode> lcuk_3, wont install on the N810
Jan 16 03:15:30 <LinuxCode> missing deps
Jan 16 03:15:32 <LinuxCode> ;-|
Jan 16 03:15:33 <lcuk_3> ive got it
Jan 16 03:15:37 * GeneralAntilles sighs again.
Jan 16 03:15:46 <GeneralAntilles> http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/
Jan 16 03:15:59 <lcuk_3> lol gen - why isnt that in default repo yet
Jan 16 03:15:59 <LinuxCode> GeneralAntilles, is that your stuff ?
Jan 16 03:16:10 <lcuk> see liinux
Jan 16 03:16:11 <GeneralAntilles> I guess because it's "beta"
Jan 16 03:16:16 <GeneralAntilles> No, not mine, LinuxCode.
Jan 16 03:16:21 <LinuxCode> ;-}
Jan 16 03:16:22 <LinuxCode> kk
Jan 16 03:16:34 <lcuk> enough ppl use it tho
Jan 16 03:16:58 <GeneralAntilles> It's never once crashed on me.
Jan 16 03:17:03 <johnx> so I figured I'd be terribly clever and compile libgstalsa.so and drop it in place so I could use alsasink from gstreamer on my N800...and the presense of that file put my device into a reboot loop
Jan 16 03:17:39 <johnx> craziness
Jan 16 03:18:12 <lcuk_3> im gonna vanish - work in the morning and still a few pages to read tonight
Jan 16 03:18:24 <LinuxCode> nn lcuk_3 ;-D
Jan 16 03:18:31 <LinuxCode> I should go too actually
Jan 16 03:18:32 <pupnik_> the n810 is better-looking than my last two girlfriends
Jan 16 03:18:33 <LinuxCode> 3:18 am
Jan 16 03:18:36 <LinuxCode> meh
Jan 16 03:18:37 <pupnik_> still no /dev/dsp though
Jan 16 03:18:48 <LinuxCode> pupnik_, haha
Jan 16 03:18:49 <LinuxCode> harsh!
Jan 16 03:18:50 <lcuk_3> lol linux, if your not careful my missus will make you a pink furry 810 case
Jan 16 03:19:03 <LinuxCode> lcuk_3, did you see the standard case mate ?
Jan 16 03:19:07 <billh> on OS2008, is there a trick to using an icon for an application? I've added it to the .desktop file in /usr/share/applications/hildon, and put what I think are the right size version icons in /usr/share/icons/hicolor/40x40/apps dir (also tried 26x26 and scalable dirs), but they don't show up in the gui. also ran gtk-update-icon-cache, but that didn't help
Jan 16 03:19:11 <LinuxCode> its almost pink and furry
Jan 16 03:19:12 <LinuxCode> rofl
Jan 16 03:19:22 <LinuxCode> ok its actually not that bad
Jan 16 03:19:22 <lcuk_3> i did yer until i let her borrow it yesterday - she fluffin lost it
Jan 16 03:19:29 <lcuk_3> mine was blue
Jan 16 03:19:31 <LinuxCode> ohh ;-|
Jan 16 03:19:34 <LinuxCode> yeh mine too
Jan 16 03:19:38 <LinuxCode> turquoise ish
Jan 16 03:19:41 <lcuk_3> and its now MIA
Jan 16 03:19:47 <LinuxCode> later
Jan 16 03:19:51 <lcuk_3> i cant put it in pocket anymore
Jan 16 03:19:52 <LinuxCode> thanks again for the hints
Jan 16 03:20:01 <lcuk_3> np
Jan 16 03:20:04 <lcuk_3> nite all
Jan 16 03:20:05 <LinuxCode> pupnik_, I love the N810
Jan 16 03:20:13 <LinuxCode> had mine today
Jan 16 03:20:15 <johnx> 'night lcuk_3
Jan 16 03:20:29 <pupnik_> billh sorry i don't have details on it - my dosbox 0.72 icon works and launches it just fine
Jan 16 03:20:32 <LinuxCode> its astoningly easy to use the qwert keybaord
Jan 16 03:20:41 <LinuxCode> well the function key needs moving
Jan 16 03:20:46 <LinuxCode> apart from that its awesome
Jan 16 03:21:04 <pupnik_> LinuxCode: i like it too, but don't have experience with other thumb keyboards
Jan 16 03:21:06 <LinuxCode> maybe im just too crippled with my hands to use the Fn key
Jan 16 03:21:06 <billh> pupnik_, this is an icon that you put on the system? where did you put it, and what was it's size?
Jan 16 03:22:41 <pupnik_> /usr/share/pixmaps/dosbox.xpm
Jan 16 03:23:38 <pupnik_>  13177 bytes
Jan 16 03:24:09 <billh> thanks. by size, I mean the height and width?
Jan 16 03:25:26 <pupnik_> 32x32
Jan 16 03:25:46 <billh> ok, I'll try that
Jan 16 03:30:03 <johnx> gah! why should adding a gstreamer plugin end up with the system being in a reboot loop. Sometimes I don't think Nokia thought this whole watchdog thing through O_o
Jan 16 03:33:11 <johnx> it's time like this that I'm really happy I cloned my root to SD card
Jan 16 03:40:27 <johnx> does anyone have an idea on why adding a gstreamer plugin would cause a reboot loop?
Jan 16 03:41:08 <johnx> is watchdog somehow able to sense that sound output is broken?
Jan 16 03:44:08 <GeneralAntilles> Something it monitors crashes.
Jan 16 03:44:29 <GeneralAntilles> So, you did something wrong.
Jan 16 03:46:01 <johnx> right. I figure that alsasink somehow becomes the default audiosink and something can't cope with that...
Jan 16 03:46:32 <johnx> is there some documentation on what watchdog monitors? or even where it gets launched from?
Jan 16 03:47:56 <johnx> I guess I could just use RD mode to disable it entirely but I would really like to this work "the right way"
Jan 16 03:48:43 <johnx> ah, probably launched from initfs
Jan 16 03:56:42 <zerojay> Nokia slashes 2300 jobs.
Jan 16 03:56:46 <zerojay> Not good.
Jan 16 03:57:19 <t_s_o> their german factory, right?
Jan 16 03:57:32 <zerojay> I guess.
Jan 16 04:07:47 <shackan> zerojay: ugh, not good at all
Jan 16 04:08:03 <GeneralAntilles> Are they just moving the factory elsewhere?
Jan 16 04:08:30 <johnx> yeah
Jan 16 04:08:38 <johnx> Romania isn't it?
Jan 16 04:08:51 <GeneralAntilles> If they're moving it someplace without ridiculous labor laws, then it's a good thing for the consumer.
Jan 16 04:08:59 <GeneralAntilles> Means less expensive tablets for us.
Jan 16 04:10:05 <zerojay> Romania = bad.
Jan 16 04:10:08 <johnx> hmm...actually I can't find out where I read that now
Jan 16 04:10:12 <zerojay> I deal with them constantly.
Jan 16 04:10:13 <johnx> so take it with a grain of salt
Jan 16 04:10:31 <zerojay> And they all pretty much suck at anything remotely programming or electronics-related.
Jan 16 04:10:50 <GeneralAntilles> Now there's a sweeping generalization if I've ever heard one. :P
Jan 16 04:10:52 <johnx> nm, "...is to shift much of the production capacity from Bochum to a new plant at Cluj, Romania after deciding labour costs are too high in Germany..."
Jan 16 04:11:09 <zerojay> GeneralAntilles: It used to be one. It's not anymore.
Jan 16 04:11:25 <zerojay> They get paid next to nothing.
Jan 16 04:11:35 <zerojay> $500 a month is enough to live like a king there.
Jan 16 04:12:10 <zerojay> I know some people seriously considering moving there for that reason.
Jan 16 04:12:32 <johnx> well, that's globalization for ya'
Jan 16 04:13:01 <desrt> hai!
Jan 16 04:13:07 <johnx> hi
Jan 16 04:13:27 <desrt> i'm a canadian and we're a little slow here, eh?
Jan 16 04:13:39 <zerojay> Yes, we are... indeed.
Jan 16 04:13:43 <zerojay> Eh?
Jan 16 04:13:52 <desrt> zerojay; you in the device programme?
Jan 16 04:14:01 <zerojay> Yes.
Jan 16 04:14:16 * desrt is randomly wondering what's going on.....
Jan 16 04:14:38 <zerojay> I've pretty much given up.
Jan 16 04:14:48 <desrt> have you tried using your code lately?
Jan 16 04:14:56 <zerojay> And I'm almost to that point with the whole tablet platform too.
Jan 16 04:15:01 <zerojay> No.
Jan 16 04:15:11 <desrt> zerojay; woh dude.  chill out
Jan 16 04:15:14 <desrt> tablets are awesome :)
Jan 16 04:15:22 <zerojay> Agreed.
Jan 16 04:15:26 <GeneralAntilles> Crippled by a support group of idiots.
Jan 16 04:15:46 <johnx> eh...it's not nearly as bad as sharp
Jan 16 04:15:55 <GeneralAntilles> the tablet program needs some strong leadership.
Jan 16 04:16:03 <desrt> last time i called nokia canada about this i got a guy who was entirely useless to me but extremely helpful about it
Jan 16 04:16:13 <zerojay> I just feel like we're ignored and after a year of saying "It'll get better" to everyone... I'm seeing that it probably won't.
Jan 16 04:16:23 <desrt> (i called them about using my american n800 code in canada... they couldn't help me... but they were really good about it)
Jan 16 04:16:45 <zerojay> Even the American codes don't work.
Jan 16 04:16:48 <zerojay> In America.
Jan 16 04:17:01 <desrt> oh.  that's most unfortunate.
Jan 16 04:17:09 <GeneralAntilles> It's such a stupidly simple thing to do, too.
Jan 16 04:17:41 <derf> desrt: I called Nokia USA about using an American code in America, and they were completely unhelpful, and useless.
Jan 16 04:17:47 <GeneralAntilles> One guy with access and a couple hours could get the whole thing rolling.
Jan 16 04:17:51 <zerojay> Well, a corporation as large as Nokia... even simple things can take a long time.
Jan 16 04:19:11 <LinuxCode> call jaaksi...so he goes to kick some arse
Jan 16 04:19:26 <|R> at least a coupon code field poped up on nokia.ca :)
Jan 16 04:19:37 <|R> (not working but ... haha, only a "week" (ie a year))
Jan 16 04:19:38 <desrt> |R; that's a generic field that's been there for ages
Jan 16 04:20:08 <|R> uhm, it was gone for a while then, or maybe i have a major brain damage :P
Jan 16 04:20:27 <GeneralAntilles> Ari seems pretty apathetic/clueless about the whole deal.
Jan 16 04:20:36 <desrt> last time i used that field it told me "n800/n810 are not eligible for discount adn must be purchased separately" or something :p
Jan 16 04:21:21 <billh> later all
Jan 16 04:21:26 <|R> hehe
Jan 16 04:21:42 <|R> yesterday it just said: invalid code (or some such...)
Jan 16 04:22:05 <GeneralAntilles> LinuxCode, which is a big part of the problem, the guy that could go out, kick some ass and get the ball moving hasn't done shit (well, as far as we can tell).
Jan 16 04:22:42 <desrt> eh
Jan 16 04:22:45 <desrt> i still have my n800
Jan 16 04:22:49 <LinuxCode> hmmmm
Jan 16 04:22:56 <desrt> and it's not like i'm hacking on any GPS-related thing
Jan 16 04:23:03 <desrt> so not having a n810 doesn't exactly block any work
Jan 16 04:23:26 <GeneralAntilles> It does for the guys with 770s.
Jan 16 04:23:34 <desrt> poor guys
Jan 16 04:23:52 <GeneralAntilles> But, really, that doesn't even matter.
Jan 16 04:23:58 <GeneralAntilles> It's a mess, and we've really heard nothing
Jan 16 04:24:20 <GeneralAntilles> Didn't even hear anything about the repository issues.
Jan 16 04:24:27 * desrt tries not to complain when receiving a (near) handout :)
Jan 16 04:24:27 <|R> yeah, nobody says a thing...
Jan 16 04:24:38 <GeneralAntilles> "handout"
Jan 16 04:24:39 <desrt> you mean the repostory issues? :)
Jan 16 04:24:48 <GeneralAntilles> Their margins aren't that tight.
Jan 16 04:24:53 <GeneralAntilles> desrt, no, actually.
Jan 16 04:25:02 <GeneralAntilles> It's just that mispellings direct to stage.maemo.org
Jan 16 04:25:02 <johnx> they don'y communicate about *anything*
Jan 16 04:25:18 <GeneralAntilles> not that repostory.maemo.org was actually how they spelled it.
Jan 16 04:25:31 <desrt> well, it worked for me in any case :)
Jan 16 04:26:50 <GeneralAntilles> You could've done "nokiacangoeaticecream.maemo.org" and it would've worked.
Jan 16 04:27:04 <desrt> right
Jan 16 04:27:10 <desrt> but we just went over the fact that i don't have an n810
Jan 16 04:27:20 <desrt> and there's no way i would have wasted that much time typing that into a touchscreen
Jan 16 04:27:40 <GeneralAntilles> Eh, I do 40wpm on average on the fullscreen keyboard.
Jan 16 04:28:01 <GeneralAntilles> It's actually quite good (well, except for the fact that they end up adding more bugs to it than they fix with each release).
Jan 16 04:31:01 <LinuxCode> cant you use ssh ?
Jan 16 04:33:50 <johnx> is the code to their fullscreen keyboard open source now?
Jan 16 04:35:28 <GeneralAntilles> No
Jan 16 04:35:36 <GeneralAntilles> Somebody would've made it unbroken if it were.
Jan 16 04:36:31 <LinuxCode> I wonder why Nokia isnt more "engaged" then
Jan 16 04:36:56 <GeneralAntilles> The glacial flow of big corporations.
Jan 16 04:36:59 <LinuxCode> clearly its in their interest that there are loads of packages and stuff available for the Nxxx range
Jan 16 04:37:18 <GeneralAntilles> They can't move like a small company.
Jan 16 04:37:18 <LinuxCode> or the product will end up like wince handheld
Jan 16 04:37:20 <LinuxCode> lol
Jan 16 04:37:28 <LinuxCode> hmmm
Jan 16 04:37:32 <GeneralAntilles> They didn't predict the success of the platform
Jan 16 04:37:39 <GeneralAntilles> and I think we're still feeling the effects of that.
Jan 16 04:37:48 <LinuxCode> ahh that would make sense
Jan 16 04:38:04 <johnx> they have tons of motivation to do all these things but somehow they just aren't happening
Jan 16 04:38:04 <LinuxCode> I think almost any linux user wanted a device like this
Jan 16 04:38:23 <LinuxCode> I told 4 people about it..they all did their research and came back and said wow!
Jan 16 04:38:59 <LinuxCode> anyway guys I better go to bed...
Jan 16 04:39:05 <LinuxCode> big thank you for that vmware link
Jan 16 04:39:07 <LinuxCode> ;-D
Jan 16 04:39:15 <LinuxCode> I will grab that tomorrow and play a little
Jan 16 04:39:25 <johnx> 'night LinuxCode
Jan 16 04:39:26 <LinuxCode> gotta learn debian package management too
Jan 16 04:39:29 <LinuxCode> nn guys
Jan 16 04:39:29 <GeneralAntilles> Not enough people, undersized infrastructure, stupid management.
Jan 16 04:39:32 <LinuxCode> and thanks for all
Jan 16 04:39:38 <LinuxCode> ehh to
Jan 16 04:39:40 <LinuxCode> not for
Jan 16 04:39:42 <GeneralAntilles> night
Jan 16 04:39:44 <LinuxCode> or both !
Jan 16 04:39:46 <LinuxCode> lol
Jan 16 04:39:49 <LinuxCode> <-- too tired
Jan 16 04:39:52 * LinuxCode waves
Jan 16 05:01:23 <johnx> wow, dependency graphs are pretty ugly
Jan 16 05:02:52 <johnx> I just looked at the whole recursive dependency graph osso-notes and it's so complicated as to be unreadable
Jan 16 05:03:51 <johnx> so much for that
Jan 16 05:06:34 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe
Jan 16 05:06:37 <GeneralAntilles> You need a bigger brain.
Jan 16 05:06:51 <GeneralAntilles> It's not FOR _stupid_ people. :P
Jan 16 05:07:16 <johnx> I need a bigger screen!
Jan 16 05:08:01 <johnx> and I need to figure out a way to colorize the lines
Jan 16 05:08:10 <johnx> they just turn into spaghetti in the middle :/
Jan 16 05:09:44 <johnx> yeah, I need to hack my frontal lobe for more short term memory, too
Jan 16 05:12:50 <GeneralAntilles> http://quad9damage.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/icepick.jpg
Jan 16 05:12:53 <GeneralAntilles> With one of those? :P
Jan 16 05:13:25 <johnx> I don't know if trepanning is the answer
Jan 16 05:13:42 <GeneralAntilles> lobotomizing might be, though!
Jan 16 05:14:14 <johnx> yeah, and with the spare room I can just print out the graph, crumple it up and shove it in my head
Jan 16 05:14:16 <johnx> ingenious
Jan 16 05:34:03 * johnx goes to store
Jan 16 06:02:49 <L0cutus> re
Jan 16 06:25:18 <Sage_> Is there a way to find out why application is not starting from the menu? I can only see "Application - loading" message in upperright corner, but nothing happens after that. Is there log file somewhere? (OS2008)
Jan 16 06:41:21 <shres> hey, Just curious does Maemo use KAA-Kdrive or EXA or something else?
Jan 16 07:02:55 <sxpert> hmm. someone from nokia has been trying to contact me...
Jan 16 07:06:43 <GeneralAntilles> They want their N810 back? :P
Jan 16 07:51:16 <Rocketman> Anyone fooled around with hostmode usb on n810?
Jan 16 07:51:22 <mbuf> what is the status of qemu with Maemo?
Jan 16 07:53:06 <Rocketman> I got host working on my n800 with os 2008, but curiously same steps don't work on my n810
Jan 16 07:53:25 <mbuf> i am lost between maemo sdk vmware applications + chinook + mamona!
Jan 16 07:53:57 <mbuf> *appliance
Jan 16 07:54:02 <Rocketman> I am using a A to A gender changer with the factory included cable
Jan 16 07:54:33 <Rocketman> and then setting host mode manually via xterm
Jan 16 07:54:54 <Rocketman> by changing to root and then
Jan 16 07:55:11 <Rocketman> echo host> yadayada, etc
Jan 16 07:59:11 <Rocketman> when I do that on my n800 I can use flash drive and usb keyboard, but no dice with n810
Jan 16 08:02:49 <Rocketman> lively bunch
Jan 16 08:15:08 <truent> kde4
Jan 16 08:15:12 <truent> eh.
Jan 16 08:19:10 <Rocketman> I've been playing with 3.5 on my 800
Jan 16 08:19:38 <Rocketman> Is 4.0 available somewhere?
Jan 16 08:23:34 <truent> Rocketman: sorry just on the desktop
Jan 16 08:23:42 <truent> havent tried it on the n800 quite yet :P
Jan 16 09:02:29 <Cptn-N800> -_-
Jan 16 09:03:04 <Cptn-N800> Brought usb kb to school, forgot the host cable
Jan 16 09:03:12 <Luria> heh
Jan 16 09:03:25 <Luria> you get demoted to commander-n800
Jan 16 09:03:33 <Cptn-N800> *Slaps self*
Jan 16 09:03:40 <Cptn-N800> Lol
Jan 16 09:03:58 <Cptn-N800> Sir yes sir
Jan 16 09:08:20 <b0unc3> good morning
Jan 16 09:10:26 <Jaffa> Morning,a ll
Jan 16 09:13:29 <johnx> 'mornin
Jan 16 09:50:36 <Cptn-N800> Usb ir transmtter + genius maemo devs = remote control?
Jan 16 09:53:50 <pupnik> you want to have a dangling IR dongle off your tablet?
Jan 16 10:01:38 <unique311> pupnik did ya give lunapaint a try?
Jan 16 10:02:22 <Cptn-N800> Pupnik not really, would have to mod one
Jan 16 10:03:29 <pupnik> unique311: no sorry
Jan 16 10:05:03 <unique311> no problem.
Jan 16 10:05:28 <unique311> im running mtpaint.
Jan 16 10:08:36 <unique311> lunapaint builds, but with 2 warnings.
Jan 16 10:09:09 <unique311> then it segfualts whe trying to run it in SB or the Device
Jan 16 10:12:51 <pupnik> strace and gdb can help you figure out what's causing it to crash
Jan 16 11:19:14 <unique311> pupnik, got it
Jan 16 11:19:33 <pupnik> ?
Jan 16 11:20:25 <unique311> lunapaint running
Jan 16 11:20:36 <unique311> bitdepth was set to 24
Jan 16 11:20:41 <unique311> changed it to 16
Jan 16 11:20:45 <unique311> and it runs
Jan 16 11:22:19 <pupnik> does it use sdl?
Jan 16 11:23:31 <unique311> yes
Jan 16 11:25:01 <pupnik> i haven't seen a SDL program that uses menus extensively before
Jan 16 11:25:53 <_berto_> (off-topic) the new ThinkPad Air: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHs9AZbumKc
Jan 16 11:27:06 <unique311> the color bar i can choose colors from.
Jan 16 11:27:22 <unique311> but the toolbar doesn't seem to want to work.
Jan 16 11:43:39 <|tbb|> what is that sdl thing?
Jan 16 11:44:00 <Zic> hi
Jan 16 11:44:59 <Spakman> alterego: Hi. Why are only the 0.3 ruby-maemo packages available from maemo.rubyx.co.uk? Is there some problem with 0.4?
Jan 16 11:45:38 <alterego> Spakman, 0.4 is in the repository. You have to use the install file.
Jan 16 11:46:59 <alterego> Whoops, I should update the introduction :)
Jan 16 11:52:17 <Spakman> alterego: http://maemo.rubyx.co.uk/ruby-maemo/Packages/maemo4/armel/ lists 0.3 too :)
Jan 16 11:52:40 <alterego> I told you, they're in the debian repository. You have to use the install file ..
Jan 16 11:53:11 <Mikho> hmm, how should I make it so the application I install with a .deb file has write permissions to it's data folder in /usr/share/<application>/
Jan 16 11:53:16 <alterego> Those packages are old.
Jan 16 11:53:26 <Spakman> yes, I know. Just figured you might want to update that too.
Jan 16 11:53:39 <alterego> Spakman, I'll probably end up deleting all that ;)
Jan 16 11:54:05 <Spakman> ah, cool
Jan 16 11:54:09 <alterego> The 'Packages' directory is only there because I hadn't setup a debian repository or install file.
Jan 16 11:54:20 <alterego> Now that's done there's little point in it being there.
Jan 16 11:59:52 <NeoStrider> hello folks
Jan 16 12:00:11 <NeoStrider> anyone know what key "menu key" actually is?
Jan 16 12:01:43 <Spakman> NeoStrider: one of the function keys, I think
Jan 16 12:01:57 <Spakman> perhaps F4
Jan 16 12:02:00 <michele_> F5
Jan 16 12:02:09 <|tbb|> hello, what is that sdl thing, everyone talking about
Jan 16 12:02:27 <NeoStrider> |tbb|:  Im using it
Jan 16 12:02:27 <kulve> grep MENU ./hildon-1/hildon/hildon-defines.h
Jan 16 12:02:28 <kulve> #define                                         HILDON_HARDKEY_MENU GDK_F4
Jan 16 12:02:37 <michele_> eh :)
Jan 16 12:02:38 <NeoStrider> thanks!
Jan 16 12:02:42 <alterego> Yeah, I thought it was F4
Jan 16 12:02:51 <alterego> |tbb|, SDL is pretty easy to google .
Jan 16 12:03:19 <NeoStrider> |tbb|:  dont you know Simple DirectMedia Layer? most linux (and some windows) games use it
Jan 16 12:04:16 <alterego> Why can't I check out the damn microb-engine from SVN >:(
Jan 16 12:04:40 <solmumah1> alterego: do you still have packages for 770?
Jan 16 12:04:52 <alterego> solmumah1, yes. The legacy packages are up there.
Jan 16 12:04:53 <LoCusF> is philip langdale on this channel?
Jan 16 12:05:04 <alterego> When I release 0.4.1 I plan on back porting to OS2006
Jan 16 12:05:27 <alterego> But I wont be writing any new libraries _just_ for OS2006. You get what you're given :P
Jan 16 12:05:55 <alterego> Finally .. It's coming out of SVN.
Jan 16 12:06:38 <alterego> solmumah1, want to write me a system that allows me to control the playback of media on my N800 from my N810?
Jan 16 12:06:50 <alterego> I want my N810 to be a remote for my N800.
Jan 16 12:07:00 <solmumah1> lol
Jan 16 12:07:21 <solmumah1> why?
Jan 16 12:07:28 <LoCusF> x11vnc :)
Jan 16 12:07:57 <alterego> I was thinking more bluetooth, save on battery power.
Jan 16 12:08:06 <alterego> As the devices will just be in different pockets.
Jan 16 12:08:42 <lcuk> alter - i was thinking similar but using my  old pocket LOOX in bluetooth mode as a numeric keypad for 810
Jan 16 12:09:15 <alterego> I'm not sure I'd call that similar :P
Jan 16 12:09:29 <lcuk> it allows 2 handed typing :P
Jan 16 12:10:09 <alterego> Well, I'm quite happy with two thumb typing for most cases. And I have a micro USB keyboard for heavy data entry.
Jan 16 12:10:28 <alterego> I ordered a couple of 4G cards which should arrive by the end of this week.
Jan 16 12:10:38 <solmumah1> alterego: ah, found them.. should have rtfm
Jan 16 12:10:53 <chille> does anyone know how do disassemble a file from the N800=
Jan 16 12:11:00 <solmumah1> i'm still using the developer release on my 770
Jan 16 12:11:09 <chille> my objdump dosn't support arm
Jan 16 12:11:52 <lcuk> alter they for you 810 or your 800
Jan 16 12:12:29 <alterego> 4G micro SD cards, they come with a micro->mini adapter and a micro->SD adapter.
Jan 16 12:12:32 <alterego> They're meant for my N810
Jan 16 12:12:48 <alterego> My N800 is finding it hard to decide on it's own fate :)
Jan 16 12:13:09 <solmumah1> alterego: do you have bindings for everything needed for your remote thing?
Jan 16 12:13:11 <alterego> I figure using it as a media player would save the battery life of my N810, as I listen to a lot of music when I'm out and about.
Jan 16 12:13:22 <johnx> alterego, build box :)
Jan 16 12:13:40 <johnx> or a wireless security cam
Jan 16 12:13:41 <lcuk> do they both run at identical speed? i thought there were slight differences in the onboard memory which even though the CPU is running same would make for noticable diffs
Jan 16 12:13:59 <alterego> I was contemplating on attempting to install maemo from svn on it.
Jan 16 12:14:24 <alterego> The N810 does seem a little faster. But I thought that was just my imagination.
Jan 16 12:14:39 <lcuk> its maybe just the shiney
Jan 16 12:15:10 <alterego> Yeah, they work well for me.
Jan 16 12:15:24 <alterego> I don't have a problem with their speed at all really.
Jan 16 12:16:04 <alterego> I'd like to see more battery life.
Jan 16 12:16:09 <alterego> If anything
Jan 16 12:16:23 <alterego> Maybe more open hardware too.
Jan 16 12:16:32 <lcuk> now you have an 810 would you still recommend ppl dip their toes into tablets with one, or should they stick with 800 (of course if they need gps or key then its a nobrainer)
Jan 16 12:16:44 <solmumah1> does n810 use the same battery as n800?
Jan 16 12:16:56 <alterego> No, the N810 uses a slimline battery.
Jan 16 12:17:18 <lcuk> 810 battery gets hot during charging - entire unit feels wrong when i lay it on my bed
Jan 16 12:17:31 <lcuk> i have to lift it onto a book or something for fear of it overheating
Jan 16 12:17:38 <pupnik> mine is cool to touch
Jan 16 12:17:40 <alterego> All I can do is offer my opinion on the device. I think the N810 is the most attractive device I've ever seen.
Jan 16 12:17:46 <alterego> And it really is a perfect size.
Jan 16 12:17:52 <pupnik> agree with alterego
Jan 16 12:18:00 <lcuk> so do i
Jan 16 12:18:13 <alterego> The N800 feels kind of bulky compared to the N810.
Jan 16 12:18:15 <lcuk> its so shiney its slippy
Jan 16 12:18:18 <pupnik> going to the cellphone shop today to wave it infront of their noses while i purchase a spare battery
Jan 16 12:18:26 <alterego> Hahah
Jan 16 12:18:42 <pupnik> http://pupnik.de/daimonin_widget_810.jpg  have you taken a picture of your n810 yet alterego ?
Jan 16 12:18:46 <alterego> I think the only thing I dislike about the N810 is the soft case :)
Jan 16 12:19:03 <alterego> The fake grey leather isn't very appealing.
Jan 16 12:19:09 * lcuk hasnt got a case at all :(
Jan 16 12:19:11 <pupnik> same here - hard case will be obtained soon
Jan 16 12:19:22 <alterego> pupnik, that's awesome.
Jan 16 12:19:24 * lcuk cannot take it out
Jan 16 12:19:48 <lcuk> ive seen some leather case thing on ebay which makes it look a bit too S&M
Jan 16 12:20:04 <alterego> I'm kind of paranoid. There are a couple of scratches appearing on the back of the device. From it just being slid around on a table surface :(
Jan 16 12:20:07 <mardi___> what game is that on 810 pipnik?
Jan 16 12:21:11 <alterego> I don't see peoples problems with the GPS either.
Jan 16 12:21:31 <alterego> I don't think they've ever owned one before and think that 1 or 2 minute locks are unusual.
Jan 16 12:21:40 <alterego> 1 or 2 minute locks are good :)
Jan 16 12:21:43 <lcuk> my missus came up with a great one for the gps:  "maybe its just busy"
Jan 16 12:21:51 <alterego> Hahah, nice.
Jan 16 12:22:04 <zerojay> Canadians, the device codes should work for you now.
Jan 16 12:22:11 <alterego> Wicked.
Jan 16 12:22:23 <alterego> Can Americans get it yet zerojay ?
Jan 16 12:22:29 <zerojay> Dunno.
Jan 16 12:22:52 <lcuk> anyway, its time for unreal tourny, back tonight
Jan 16 12:22:56 <alterego> I kind of like it in a way. That the US contributors have had to wait ages :)
Jan 16 12:23:11 <alterego> Seeing as the US got the devices first ..
Jan 16 12:23:54 <alterego> Weird, I see a libxul in my rootfs ..
Jan 16 12:24:00 <alterego> I thought that was disabled.
Jan 16 12:24:34 <alterego> solmumah1, did I tell you the new maemo release (which I'm working on now) is going to have gtkmozembed?
Jan 16 12:25:31 <mardi___> nice
Jan 16 12:25:47 <zerojay> Argh.. Nokia only ships to the same address as the billing address.
Jan 16 12:25:49 <zerojay> Fuck.
Jan 16 12:26:12 <alterego> zerojay, yeah. That annoyed me a little too.
Jan 16 12:26:39 <Lynoure> zerojay: no one at your billing address to forward it to you?
Jan 16 12:26:56 <zerojay> Lynoure: It's really not that simple.
Jan 16 12:27:15 <solmumah1> alterego: does that mean i can forget about gtk and make the gui with html? :)
Jan 16 12:27:24 <zerojay> What do you do when your credit card company refuses to allow you to change your billing address? :)
Jan 16 12:27:39 <zerojay> And you don't live there anymore?
Jan 16 12:27:53 <zerojay> Anyways, later.
Jan 16 12:28:03 <Lynoure> zerojay: uh, evil of them. I'd tell them I'll get another credit card elsewhere
Jan 16 12:28:21 <alterego> solmumaha, you could do that now if you wanted :P ruby has WEBrick ..
Jan 16 12:28:24 <Lynoure> That ought to scare them to their senses.
Jan 16 12:28:56 <pupnik810> kkkkk
Jan 16 12:28:59 <alterego> But sure .. It might make the system a little more "intergrated".
Jan 16 12:29:26 <solmumaha> i'm using gserver on server
Jan 16 12:29:41 <solmumaha> but i guess html doesn't give me enough control
Jan 16 12:30:01 <pupnik810> kxchat is still in need of some fixes
Jan 16 12:30:40 <alterego> solmumaha, what about XUL? :)
Jan 16 12:31:18 <alterego> Well, as soon as 0.4.1 is out of the door. I'm going to seriously start working on Ruby 1.9 development on scratchbox 2
Jan 16 12:31:44 <alterego> Unfortunately without being able to run hildon desktop under sbox2 testing things will be difficult.
Jan 16 12:31:51 <alterego> I'll have to test under sbox1
Jan 16 12:32:04 <lardman> I just saw Ferenc's email; a slight aside, is anyone actually able to use the Windows flasher (I'm not talking about download problems, but rather than the raw usb drivers don't get installed correctly)
Jan 16 12:32:14 <solmumaha> nah, gtk is ok
Jan 16 12:32:33 <alterego> Gtk takes too long to load ..
Jan 16 12:32:59 <solmumaha> i hope someone writes the client as a plugin to canola ;)
Jan 16 12:35:41 <alterego> Right, well. I guess the most important thing to fix in ruby-maemo is ConIc
Jan 16 12:36:27 <solmumaha> that would be nice
Jan 16 12:37:26 <alterego> I suppose you'll be expecting documentation too ..
Jan 16 12:37:58 <solmumaha> not necessary
Jan 16 12:38:37 <alterego> Good, because I suck at writing documentation.
Jan 16 12:38:43 <solmumaha> well an example would be nice
Jan 16 12:38:59 <alterego> That's why all my documentation are just "notes" :)
Jan 16 12:39:06 <alterego> More for me than you lusers :P
Jan 16 12:39:08 <solmumaha> i've really haven't missed it, gnome2-ruby docs are great for gtk stuff
Jan 16 12:39:41 <alterego> Actually, libosso is pretty well documented.
Jan 16 12:39:50 <pupnik810> solmumaha  how is knots?
Jan 16 12:40:30 <solmumaha> not sure
Jan 16 12:41:29 <solmumaha> server is mostly done, client works for browsing, but thinking of rewriting most parts
Jan 16 12:43:04 <solmumaha> i could give you a client for testing the browsing part
Jan 16 12:49:38 <henrique> anyone knows if there is python-twisted package for maemo [chinook]?
Jan 16 12:51:15 <pupnik810> wow beautiful job on the mplayyer OSXD
Jan 16 12:54:20 <alterego> I'm really gonna have to sort out nfs on my tablets at some point.
Jan 16 12:54:39 <jott> is there actually a way to launch the osso applications with X forwarding? (e.g. osso-xterm insist on running on :0, while e.g. maemo-mapper runs fine on the remote X)
Jan 16 12:59:01 <|tbb|> where do you have to store a .desktop  file to get it into the menu
Jan 16 13:00:20 <alterego> |tbb|, it's all in the tutorial.
Jan 16 13:01:21 <|tbb|> ive installed linkmake it places the link under /home/user which i dont understand
Jan 16 13:03:18 <|tbb|> btw. from which tutorial you talking about
Jan 16 13:03:31 <alterego> The maemo application development tutorial.
Jan 16 13:03:41 <alterego> There's also a howto I believe.
Jan 16 13:04:51 <|tbb|> does this elementary changed since bora 2 chinook
Jan 16 13:05:37 <alterego> No,
Jan 16 13:05:42 <alterego> It's been the same for ages.
Jan 16 13:06:04 <alterego> Should be the same across OS2006-2008 at least.
Jan 16 13:07:55 <|tbb|> maybe the tool doesnt work properly it says it storse the link under extras menu but it doesnt.
Jan 16 13:08:22 <|tbb|> anyone using linkmaker, succesfully
Jan 16 13:09:44 * alterego sets up a sbox2 vm whilst he's waiting for stuff to compile.
Jan 16 13:10:18 <LoCusF> how do I force a version of a package?
Jan 16 13:11:12 <wnd> apt-get install foo=1.2.3?
Jan 16 13:12:10 <LoCusF> yeah
Jan 16 13:12:13 <LoCusF> got that :)
Jan 16 13:13:48 <LoCusF> thanks
Jan 16 13:18:55 <shres> Wow, sun acquires mysql
Jan 16 13:19:07 <Nermal> keep up
Jan 16 13:19:24 <Nermal> I look forward to the java version which is slow, bloated and fucking useless
Jan 16 13:19:32 <Nermal> ahem
Jan 16 13:28:22 <alterego> Heh
Jan 16 13:28:34 <alterego> I actually really respect Sun.
Jan 16 13:28:53 <Nermal> I did until I worked for them
Jan 16 13:29:02 <alterego> They've done a lot for the computing community. Even if I don't particularly like Java.
Jan 16 13:29:05 <vegai> Nermal: that's probably true for any company
Jan 16 13:29:12 <alterego> Yeah
Jan 16 13:29:12 <Nermal> I guess so
Jan 16 13:29:25 <alterego> 1 Billion, that's crazy.
Jan 16 13:29:26 <Nermal> just the way they slag off things and then use them later on
Jan 16 13:29:44 <Nermal> probably several times what novell paid for suse
Jan 16 13:29:59 <Nermal> which was 200 million iirc
Jan 16 13:30:41 <vegai> alterego: where did you get the price?
Jan 16 13:30:53 <alterego> Someone just told me.
Jan 16 13:30:58 <Veggen> We're a not-particularly-respected company, but I still feel like I work on a competent/fun place.
Jan 16 13:31:06 <vegai> alterego: ah, yahoo has something
Jan 16 13:31:10 <alterego> Heh
Jan 16 13:42:01 <michele_> where is the news about sun and mysql?
Jan 16 13:42:26 <Lynoure> http://blogs.mysql.com/kaj/sun-acquires-mysql.html/
Jan 16 13:42:32 <michele_> thanks
Jan 16 13:44:12 <matmo> g'day. Trying to get an app icon into the menu (on SB). Have created a png in /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable and ran "gtk-update-icon-cache /usr/share/icons/hicolor" but no luck. Even restarted AF. What am I missing?
Jan 16 13:45:15 <matmo> btw, error says "... not in theme"
Jan 16 13:50:58 <matmo> nm, I think it needs to be 26x26 or something other than scalable
Jan 16 14:11:26 <alterego> w00t, microb is finally built :D
Jan 16 14:12:45 <johnx> alterego, building an svn checkout for maemo?
Jan 16 14:12:50 <alterego> Yup
Jan 16 14:12:52 <alterego> Just finished.
Jan 16 14:13:11 <matmo> hmmm, not have my icon in same sizes and same places as maemopad, updated cache, restarted... and still no icon! :-(
Jan 16 14:13:20 <matmo> s/not/now
Jan 16 14:13:58 <matmo> also the icon cache went from a few k to 10 meg
Jan 16 14:14:04 <alterego> Heh
Jan 16 14:17:11 <Kompo_> Is there any repository for Maemo 4.0 development? i.e. I'd like to build microb, but it build-requires 'bc' which is not in any repository (it seems). It's also hard to build from debian packages, since it requires libreadline5, which is not available in the SDK either..
Jan 16 14:17:56 <nuragico> Hi, what is the default browser on maemo 2008? My maemo2008 does not open it...
Jan 16 14:18:05 <Kompo_> So is there a repository for binaries used in maemo development? would make sense that there would be one..
Jan 16 14:18:36 <alterego> Kompo_, the build instructions are a bit broken.
Jan 16 14:18:53 <alterego> Kompo_, follow these instead: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2152
Jan 16 14:21:09 <Kompo_> alterego: ok, thanks. So just build the thing by skipping the build-depends..
Jan 16 14:22:00 <alterego> Kompo_, yeah.
Jan 16 14:22:06 <alterego> You'll run into some missing file errors too.
Jan 16 14:22:17 <alterego> You need to obtain 3 graphics from an old SVN state.
Jan 16 14:22:24 <alterego> Otherwise dpkg-buildpackage will fail.
Jan 16 14:23:44 <Kompo_> alterego: right.. so it's again in a state in which it almost compiles out of the box, then..
Jan 16 14:24:00 <alterego> Yes, it compiled fine for me. Except for those few little hiccups.
Jan 16 14:25:09 <wnd> does anybody else's recharger for N810 make funny noises when unplugged from wall socket while not connected to the device?
Jan 16 14:25:38 <alterego> wnd, wtf? No! :D
Jan 16 14:25:51 <alterego> Unless I make it play my guitar.
Jan 16 14:26:55 <johnx> wnd, no but the one for my zaurus does. heh...I used to have an external battery pack that made terrifying squealing noises while under load...until it was recalled because of risk of fire :)
Jan 16 14:26:59 <johnx> feel better now?
Jan 16 14:27:13 <johnx> :D
Jan 16 14:27:14 <wnd> yeah, definitely
Jan 16 14:27:29 <alterego> johnx, he said "unplugged from wall socket" !
Jan 16 14:27:40 <johnx> !!
Jan 16 14:27:44 <johnx> I misread that
Jan 16 14:27:47 <johnx> wow
Jan 16 14:27:50 <zaheerm> wnd, i would send it back to nokia
Jan 16 14:27:51 <wnd> ok clarification: it does that for a few seconds right after unplugging
Jan 16 14:27:57 <johnx> gremlins...definitely gremlins
Jan 16 14:28:19 <johnx> or capacitors
Jan 16 14:28:40 <lcuk> wnd - if you listen quietly does it say "this charger will self destruct in 10 seconds?"
Jan 16 14:28:40 <X-Fade_> johnx: Probably the latter ;)
Jan 16 14:28:47 <wnd> my guess would be discharging capacitor but it has been too long since the last time I played around with electronics. just wondering if it should do that.
Jan 16 14:29:23 <wnd> lcuk, no but it's telling me to do bad things!
Jan 16 14:29:34 <alterego> Erm,
Jan 16 14:29:49 <alterego> The nokia chargers shouldn't make any noise at all, plugged in or unplugged.
Jan 16 14:29:59 <michele_> alterego: does microb from svn have visible improvements?
Jan 16 14:30:22 <alterego> michele_, I don't know, I'm not actually going to use it ;) I just want the dev libs for gtkmozembed.
Jan 16 14:31:16 <alterego> Now where's that maemo4 sbox2 guide ran off too ..
Jan 16 14:31:25 <alterego> Aha
Jan 16 14:31:25 <michele_> alterego: even then you should notice at least if performance improves :)
Jan 16 14:31:38 <X-Fade_> I wish one could install the experimental versions of microb and get a nice changelog popup each time there is a new build. (Like Modest does nowadays!)
Jan 16 14:31:40 <alterego> Possibly.
Jan 16 14:31:48 <alterego> It'll be a little while before I test it.
Jan 16 14:31:53 <michele_> alterego: what are you working on, if I may ask?
Jan 16 14:32:05 <wnd> well, I was just wondering as it's not the first piece of electronics that I've heard doing that. I guess I'll be contacting nokia then. thanks.
Jan 16 14:32:22 <alterego> michele_, I maintain the ruby-maemo project. This is for libgtkembedmoz bindings.
Jan 16 14:32:42 <michele_> wnd: I have had some lenovo thinkpads doing the same
Jan 16 14:32:54 <michele_> wnd: usually it's some bad soldering somewhere
Jan 16 14:33:02 <X-Fade_> wnd: I have a few lipo chargers. They make noice too, just frequent charging and discharging of capacitors..
Jan 16 14:33:23 <michele_> alterego: oh. ruby. sorry, now I'm supposed to hate you, since I use python.
Jan 16 14:33:25 <alterego> wnd, the Nokia chargers are switch mode power supplies. It's not uncommon for solid state chargers/power adapters to make noises.
Jan 16 14:33:39 <alterego> michele_, don't hate the player, hate the game :P
Jan 16 14:33:44 <michele_> alterego: :)
Jan 16 14:34:55 <alterego> michele_, ruby-maemo was really just for me. I wanted to be able to write small hacks/apps for my N800 when I got it in August last year.
Jan 16 14:35:18 <alterego> But I've had loads of interest in it. So it's been really rewarding in that respect.
Jan 16 14:36:23 <wnd> alterego, common or not, I'm just wonder if it's supposed to do that. my old pc psu from Q Technology used to do that after a few years.
Jan 16 14:36:37 <Kompo_> alterego: can you remember offhand which files or dirs or sth will fail? it's not exactly nice to wait three microb compiles to fail :)
Jan 16 14:36:38 <michele_> alterego: when you finish the things you want to wrap, I think it would a nice idea to have a standalone MokoFingerScroll library with py/rb wrappings
Jan 16 14:37:15 <alterego> wnd, like I said. Different technology. Power adapters that are heavy are the old fashioned transformer style PSU's the really light weight ones, like the Nokia are switch mode and should not make any audiable noise IMO.
Jan 16 14:37:40 <alterego> Kompo_, it wont recompile the whole thing.
Jan 16 14:37:49 <alterego> Kompo_, which is probably a bug ;)
Jan 16 14:38:01 <alterego> Kompo_, I'll tar the files for you though.
Jan 16 14:38:45 <nuragico> Hi, what is the default browser on maemo 2008?
Jan 16 14:38:50 <GeneralAntilles> MicroB
Jan 16 14:38:57 <nuragico> thancs
Jan 16 14:39:00 <nuragico> k
Jan 16 14:39:09 <GeneralAntilles> Lot of people asking that question lately.
Jan 16 14:39:09 <nuragico> it does not start
Jan 16 14:39:19 <alterego> Weird.
Jan 16 14:39:27 <GeneralAntilles> Did you restore from an OS2007 backup?
Jan 16 14:39:27 <alterego> What's maemo 2008? :)
Jan 16 14:39:44 <GeneralAntilles> Better than maemo 2007.
Jan 16 14:40:14 <GeneralAntilles> If you want to make your pedant kill himself, go check out the ITT wiki, alterego. :P
Jan 16 14:40:22 <alterego> Hah
Jan 16 14:40:48 <nuragico> I don't know
Jan 16 14:40:51 <nuragico> ...
Jan 16 14:41:56 <johnx> nuragico, Did you make a backup when you still had OS2007? And if so, did you restore that backup after you installed OS2008?
Jan 16 14:42:12 <GeneralAntilles> I got really excited a few days ago after noticing that the front page looked a lot better than it used to. I thought some real progress had actually come out of the last "the non-searching noobies are destroying this community" thread.
Jan 16 14:42:14 <alterego> Kompo_, unpack that in the microb-engine/microb-engine directory: http://maemo.rubyx.co.uk/microb_missing.tgz
Jan 16 14:42:25 <GeneralAntilles> So I fixed up the front page, then got really depressed when I went to fix up the articles.
Jan 16 14:42:34 <alterego> Eesh
Jan 16 14:43:05 <nuragico> I don't now
Jan 16 14:43:09 <nuragico> know
Jan 16 14:43:13 <Lynoure> sounds rollercoasterish
Jan 16 14:43:29 <GeneralAntilles> The internet can do that to you, Lynoure. :P
Jan 16 14:43:41 <alterego> Heh
Jan 16 14:43:47 <GeneralAntilles> I'm tempted to just drop the damn place entirely.
Jan 16 14:43:48 <Kompo_> alterego: thank you very much! nice, so the files disappear if I don't build with -nc ...
Jan 16 14:44:13 <alterego> Kompo_, yah,.
Jan 16 14:44:22 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, drop the internet?
Jan 16 14:44:27 <GeneralAntilles> Nah, ITT.
Jan 16 14:45:03 <alterego> ITT is very annoying.
Jan 16 14:45:20 <alterego> It's only really useful when you've found it through google.
Jan 16 14:45:22 <michele_> forums are very annoying in general
Jan 16 14:45:27 <alterego> I don't bother visiting it otherwise.
Jan 16 14:45:32 <GeneralAntilles> Not the ones I normal frequent.
Jan 16 14:45:51 <michele_> I prefer good old MLs
Jan 16 14:46:23 <GeneralAntilles> ITT seems to have a disproportionate share of idiots, and their co-dependents than my previous experience with forums would suggest it should have.
Jan 16 14:46:36 <johnx> there's too much divide between n00bs and experts on ITT. There's no one of a mid-level answering n00bs and the experts feel overwhelmed
Jan 16 14:46:50 <alterego> Yeah, you'd expect the maemo community to be a bit more intellectual ^_^
Jan 16 14:47:17 <GeneralAntilles> It probably is, they're all just running like hell from the place. :P
Jan 16 14:47:23 <johnx> I blame the N8x0 marketing being too successful
Jan 16 14:47:25 <alterego> A lot of the problems are people don't know where maemo questions begin and linux questions end.
Jan 16 14:47:26 <michele_> let's open ITST - IT Snob Talk
Jan 16 14:47:36 <GeneralAntilles> Woo!
Jan 16 14:47:40 <alterego> michele_, I like that!
Jan 16 14:47:44 <GeneralAntilles> Everybody gets a banstick.
Jan 16 14:48:10 <michele_> first, no background images
Jan 16 14:48:10 <GeneralAntilles> It'll end up being the most exclusive club ever.
Jan 16 14:48:16 <GeneralAntilles> Everybody is banned!
Jan 16 14:48:21 <michele_> great!
Jan 16 14:48:33 * michele_ runs off registering the domani
Jan 16 14:48:46 <GeneralAntilles> One wonders if Reggie is trying to drive MicroB development by making ITT as bloated and non-compliant as possible.
Jan 16 14:48:57 <alterego> Hahah
Jan 16 14:49:03 <michele_> eheh
Jan 16 14:49:21 <GeneralAntilles> It's not incompetence or apathy—it's genius!
Jan 16 14:49:40 <alterego> :)
Jan 16 14:52:49 <alterego> Just ordered another 2G of DDR for my workstation.
Jan 16 14:52:59 <GeneralAntilles> Sounds fun.
Jan 16 14:53:03 <alterego> Yeah,
Jan 16 14:53:13 * GeneralAntilles needs a new computer.
Jan 16 14:53:19 <matmo> So any of you "experts" know why my icon is not showing in the menu?
Jan 16 14:53:29 <GeneralAntilles> You did it wrong?
Jan 16 14:53:32 <michele_> I am going to get a new computer from my new company
Jan 16 14:53:32 <alterego> Heh
Jan 16 14:53:47 <michele_> and I can't decide between a powermac or a thinkpad
Jan 16 14:53:53 <michele_> no
Jan 16 14:53:54 <alterego> Eesh
Jan 16 14:54:00 <GeneralAntilles> There are no more Powermacs. :(
Jan 16 14:54:00 <michele_> macbook pro
Jan 16 14:54:10 <matmo> GeneralAntilles: not according to the chinook tute
Jan 16 14:54:12 <alterego> iCrap air?
Jan 16 14:54:17 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
Jan 16 14:54:21 <Nermal> get a thinkpad x61 or something
Jan 16 14:54:27 <Nermal> smaller than a macbook air :P
Jan 16 14:54:29 <michele_> no, I need something bigger
Jan 16 14:54:35 <GeneralAntilles> Laptops are stupid
Jan 16 14:54:41 <GeneralAntilles> I need an 8-core Mac Pro. :D
Jan 16 14:54:42 <michele_> I am leaning toward the T series
Jan 16 14:54:48 <johnx> michele_, are you planning to put Linux on it?
Jan 16 14:54:59 <michele_> johnx: that's the crux of the question
Jan 16 14:55:13 <johnx> thinkpad
Jan 16 14:55:15 <johnx> hands down
Jan 16 14:55:21 <michele_> johnx: the default here is mac, but I know I prefer linux (because I already tried)
Jan 16 14:55:25 <michele_> yeah
Jan 16 14:55:28 <alterego> Never really been too happy with the thinkpads. They're quite under powered compared to the competition. Obviously that could be said for Mac's too.
Jan 16 14:55:42 <michele_> I love my TP
Jan 16 14:55:46 <GeneralAntilles> alterego, maybe 4 years ago.
Jan 16 14:56:03 <alterego> Well, the last time I checked .. 1 year ago :P
Jan 16 14:56:11 <michele_> GeneralAntilles: his statement is mostly true
Jan 16 14:56:30 <GeneralAntilles> At the low end, yeah.
Jan 16 14:56:33 <GeneralAntilles> But definitely not at the top end
Jan 16 14:56:34 <johnx> I've never seen a macbook (pro or otherwise) run Linux really perfectly
Jan 16 14:56:34 <alterego> But there's no denying the build quality is superb.
Jan 16 14:56:38 <michele_> I just can't give up the build quality of TPs: the KB, the nipple
Jan 16 14:56:50 <alterego> Yeah
Jan 16 14:56:56 <johnx> but thinkwiki.org seems to think Linux will work well on a T61
Jan 16 14:56:57 * alterego likes nipples too.
Jan 16 14:57:00 <Veggen>  I have an ancient HP laptop. that good build quality too.
Jan 16 14:57:28 <GeneralAntilles> There's not much point in running Linux on a Mac.
Jan 16 14:57:36 <alterego> Why?
Jan 16 14:57:42 <alterego> I don't really like OS X,
Jan 16 14:57:48 <alterego> And linux supports more hardware ..
Jan 16 14:57:49 <Veggen> agreed, I wouldn't buy a mac to run Linux on it.
Jan 16 14:57:51 <simfosho> hey, im working on a python application to my n800 (os2008) and having a slight problem... when I try to run it once it reaches "import gtk" it comes with a weird error msg, looking for the gtk module in some /home/ludolf/......./gtk dir, I dont know why the hell it would look there since I dont know any ludolf.. anyone ran into this problem before
Jan 16 14:58:13 <GeneralAntilles> alterego, and I don't care for Linux. ;) You like what you know.
Jan 16 14:58:20 <alterego> Sure
Jan 16 14:58:34 <GeneralAntilles> Anything from Linux, you can run in OS X.
Jan 16 14:58:45 <alterego> Sure, with a bit of fiddling.
Jan 16 14:58:56 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, but sometimes it's just easier to run it in Linux
Jan 16 14:59:01 <alterego> I'm not sure I can use any other OS other than debian ..
Jan 16 14:59:11 <alterego> I just get on very smoothly with it.
Jan 16 14:59:53 <GeneralAntilles> Heck, with VMWare and Coherence and whatnot, you can run just about anything.
Jan 16 14:59:58 <alterego> When I'm using a debian system, it's like making love with a beautiful lady in silk sheets :)
Jan 16 15:00:11 <GeneralAntilles> <_<
Jan 16 15:00:18 <glass> erhm
Jan 16 15:00:20 <johnx> alterego, I had a macbook for work a year ago. Nice machine but I just couldn't cope with mac os x window management (and lack of multiple desktops at the time)
Jan 16 15:00:42 <alterego> Oh come on, surely OS X has multiple desktops :P
Jan 16 15:00:44 <GeneralAntilles> johnx, why not just install one of the half-dozen third party virtual desktop utilities? :P
Jan 16 15:00:51 <GeneralAntilles> It's built-in, now.
Jan 16 15:00:58 <johnx> yeah, I tried them
Jan 16 15:01:07 <johnx> all were broken in their own special way
Jan 16 15:01:07 <alterego> Yeah, even vista has workspaces now.
Jan 16 15:01:09 <glass> i don't like their window system at all
Jan 16 15:01:18 <simfosho> anyone got experience with python, gtk and os2008 that I can bug for some 5 min
Jan 16 15:01:40 <GeneralAntilles> I still don't use Spaces or Exposé.
Jan 16 15:02:04 <alterego> I use compiz-fusion. But that's only because I've not got a girlfriend.
Jan 16 15:02:10 <GeneralAntilles> Partly because I still haven't broken Mac Classic habits and partly because you don't need virtual desktops when you have 4 displays. ;)
Jan 16 15:02:19 <alterego> Hah
Jan 16 15:03:13 <LoCusF> alterego: so you end up sliding off the bed with her since silk is slippery, eh?
Jan 16 15:03:36 <Spakman> lol @ alterego
Jan 16 15:03:46 <alterego> LoCusF, anything to make the experience more interesting ;)
Jan 16 15:04:06 <LoCusF> hehehe
Jan 16 15:04:10 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, aaah. now I understand. it was a world of pain being stuck on 1280x800 with no multiple desktops
Jan 16 15:04:24 <alterego> Falling off the bed, banging heads. That's what makes sex fun :)
Jan 16 15:04:37 <GeneralAntilles> johnx, you should've just used Expose, anyway.
Jan 16 15:04:59 <johnx> eh, I did
Jan 16 15:04:59 <michele_> I am back... the only reason to run Linux on a Mac is that I would virtualize it, so I could have both OSs
Jan 16 15:05:16 <alterego> Linux has better hardware support.
Jan 16 15:05:51 <alterego> Then again, Linux has probably got the best hardware support across all operating systems.
Jan 16 15:05:54 <GeneralAntilles> Than OSx86? Yes. . . .
Jan 16 15:05:55 <johnx> if you're planning to compile for maemo you're better off doing it natively on LInux then wasting power virtualizing it
Jan 16 15:06:13 <alterego> johnx, not with hardware virtualization.
Jan 16 15:06:29 <johnx> alterego, point. it's still not free though
Jan 16 15:06:39 <johnx> free as in, it "costs" RAM
Jan 16 15:06:39 <alterego> Is if you're running Linux :P
Jan 16 15:06:45 <alterego> Oh, right.
Jan 16 15:06:55 <alterego> Sure, how much RAM do you need though?
Jan 16 15:07:07 <lcuk> 640k is enough for anyone ;)
Jan 16 15:07:09 <alterego> (says the guy that's just bought another 2G for his workstation)
Jan 16 15:07:37 <GeneralAntilles> Balancing opportunity costs, I'd say the argument against virtualization are pretty weak. :P
Jan 16 15:07:46 <alterego> Yeah
Jan 16 15:08:01 <johnx> fair enough...I guess I'm used to underpowered hardware
Jan 16 15:08:04 <alterego> Most of my work is now in virtualized hosts, _all_ of my maemo development is.
Jan 16 15:08:15 <michele_> anyway, it seems I am getting back my G3 iBook from my brother, can't wait to put OS9 again on the little boy :)
Jan 16 15:08:23 <alterego> It's so much easier to backup and the systems are easily transferable across machines and OS reinstalls.
Jan 16 15:08:37 <michele_> It just needs iCab and a music player
Jan 16 15:09:23 <michele_> alterego: in fact, virtualization is the only thing that could make me buy a non-laptop computer again
Jan 16 15:10:04 <alterego> Meh, get a dedicated server and do it over the interwebz :)
Jan 16 15:10:25 <simfosho> anyone that got a nfs server to run on os2008
Jan 16 15:10:29 <GeneralAntilles> iCab . . .
Jan 16 15:10:32 <GeneralAntilles> What a throwback.
Jan 16 15:10:50 <johnx> heh...or better yet get someone else who has a dedicated server to give you an account. :D
Jan 16 15:11:03 * GeneralAntilles threatens alterego. :P
Jan 16 15:11:08 <michele_> alterego: do you actually use a remote machine for development?
Jan 16 15:11:24 <johnx> simfosho, I don't see any reason it wouldn't work
Jan 16 15:11:29 <alterego> michele_, yes.
Jan 16 15:11:56 <michele_> alterego: do you ssh on it or what?
Jan 16 15:12:06 <simfosho> I just need to compile it to it or is it already in a .deb package
Jan 16 15:12:24 <alterego> michele_, yup, I SSH into it and I use a forwarded port to connect the host to my Xephyr session on the local machine (for maemo development)
Jan 16 15:12:53 * michele_ mumbles
Jan 16 15:12:58 <alterego> :)
Jan 16 15:13:23 <johnx> simfosho, I did a quick search on gronmayer.com/it and I don't see a package for nfsd
Jan 16 15:13:32 <johnx> you might want to try compiling it in mud-builder
Jan 16 15:13:51 <simfosho> :(
Jan 16 15:14:03 <simfosho> thx
Jan 16 15:14:10 <johnx> you might want to give sshfs a try
Jan 16 15:14:25 <michele_> sshfs is painful
Jan 16 15:14:43 <michele_> too much lagging
Jan 16 15:15:04 <johnx> really? in a file manager or a terminal?
Jan 16 15:15:12 <michele_> terminal
Jan 16 15:15:16 <johnx> hmm
Jan 16 15:15:21 <michele_> I tried it to edit files with vim
Jan 16 15:15:28 <michele_> and found plain ssh to be nicer
Jan 16 15:15:35 <johnx> hmm
Jan 16 15:15:41 <michele_> mind you, on a machine across the ocean
Jan 16 15:15:48 <michele_> Italy -> SF
Jan 16 15:16:00 <johnx> I've never had a problem even on machines quite far away, but it depends on the connection I guess
Jan 16 15:16:15 <johnx> for local stuff it's an awesome quick-n-dirty remote filesystem
Jan 16 15:16:26 <michele_> indeed
Jan 16 15:20:57 <alterego> Yeah, I like sshfs
Jan 16 15:21:14 <alterego> Hmm, sbox2 + maemo-sdk is gonna take 24 minutes to install.
Jan 16 15:21:18 <alterego> Think I might go for a walk.
Jan 16 15:21:36 <johnx> what's the weather like there?
Jan 16 15:21:50 <alterego> Cold, and muddy.
Jan 16 15:21:57 <alterego> But it's a clear sky now.
Jan 16 15:22:01 <johnx> have a good walk then :)
Jan 16 15:22:04 <alterego> And it's gonna get dark within the next hour.
Jan 16 15:22:20 <Nermal> alterego, in the uk ?
Jan 16 15:23:07 <robtaylor> i want an EEE where the screen size matches the case size and running ubuntu mobile rather than the xandros POS
Jan 16 15:23:29 <robtaylor> oh /me was several days behind =)
Jan 16 15:23:49 <alterego> Nermal, yeah
Jan 16 15:23:57 <johnx> didn't they show an eee with an 8" at CES?
Jan 16 15:24:29 <johnx> and ubuntu would be fine, but does anyone know how "ubuntu mobile" is progressing?
Jan 16 15:25:03 <alterego> johnx, like a snail super-glued to an upside down plank of wood.
Jan 16 15:25:26 <johnx> alterego, in other words...awesome?
Jan 16 15:25:42 <alterego> Sure, if we're in some kind of parallel dimension and no one told me about it.
Jan 16 15:26:18 <alterego> Anyhow, walkies.
Jan 16 15:50:44 <Khertan> Hi !
Jan 16 15:50:53 <johnx> hi
Jan 16 15:50:54 <nuragico> .
Jan 16 15:50:55 <nuragico> .
Jan 16 15:51:17 <Khertan> a small question, i m trying to registering some mime type for pygtkeditor
Jan 16 15:51:37 <Khertan> i ve added for a test "text/python" in the .desktop file ...
Jan 16 15:52:03 <Khertan> but i think it s not enougth for filemanager
Jan 16 15:52:35 <Khertan> is there a documentation on how add mime type as file manager can recognize it and launch the right application ?
Jan 16 15:52:47 <Khertan> i ven't found anything on maemo.org
Jan 16 16:09:17 <johnx> Khertan, if you're still looking for an answer: http://www.mail-archive.com/maemo-developers@maemo.org/msg06218.html
Jan 16 16:12:09 <hugolp> Ive ported an aplication to maemo/hildon. It works fine if I run doing run-standalone.sh myapp, but when I create a item in the menu and try to execute it from there it doesnt run. It says in the terminal  hildon-desktop[10773]: GLIB WARNING ** default - We could not read lowmem page stats.
Jan 16 16:12:54 <hugolp> Can anyone give me any idea of what going on? Ive been reading the docs at maemo.org/development and following them but cant figure out whats going on
Jan 16 16:15:18 <LoCusF> how do I select text from evince?
Jan 16 16:16:22 <mgedmin> middle-click muahahahaha
Jan 16 16:16:33 <doc|home> hahaha
Jan 16 16:20:39 <LoCusF> lol :)
Jan 16 16:21:18 <mgedmin> edit -> select text would be a good addition to the maemo port of evince
Jan 16 16:21:25 <mgedmin> is there a bugtracker?
Jan 16 16:21:45 <michele_> yes
Jan 16 16:21:51 <michele_> on garage
Jan 16 16:21:54 <LoCusF> I used synergy to do that :)
Jan 16 16:22:21 <wnd> LoCusF, did you try vkb/hwr-im copy/paste?
Jan 16 16:22:51 <LoCusF> well copy/paste between machines works
Jan 16 16:23:00 <michele_> mgedmin: how would it work? the menu item would trigger a mode where dragging would select text instead of panning?
Jan 16 16:23:06 <mgedmin> yes
Jan 16 16:23:10 <mgedmin> hm
Jan 16 16:23:58 <mgedmin> probably simple to implement: if the 'edit -> select text' menu item is checked, treat left-button presses as middle button
Jan 16 16:24:19 <mgedmin> when you select edit->copy, uncheck the 'edit -> select text' item for convenience
Jan 16 16:24:28 <michele_> the behaviour is already inverted now
Jan 16 16:24:42 <michele_> it should just bring it back to the original mapping
Jan 16 16:26:31 <michele_> and me I was going to remove the "select all" menu item because I thought it wouldn't be useful...
Jan 16 16:26:57 <mgedmin> disclaimer: I'm not a heavy evince user
Jan 16 16:27:09 <mgedmin> and I don't think I ever needed to copy & paste from a pdf document
Jan 16 16:27:11 <mgedmin> ever
Jan 16 16:27:17 <mgedmin> so don't look at me for ui suggestions
Jan 16 16:27:20 <mgedmin> instead ask LoCusF
Jan 16 16:27:40 <LoCusF> I'd just prefer 3 taps :)
Jan 16 16:27:45 <LoCusF> + drag
Jan 16 16:27:49 <michele_> insane
Jan 16 16:28:05 <michele_> double taps are awful enough
Jan 16 16:28:20 <LoCusF> well ok ok, the menu is better idea :)
Jan 16 16:28:39 <michele_> LoCusF: do you read evince-devel?
Jan 16 16:28:56 <LoCusF> michele_: nope
Jan 16 16:29:27 <LoCusF> michele_: but I could :)
Jan 16 16:30:16 <michele_> I have a patch with a new feature, you might want to try it
Jan 16 16:30:33 <michele_> https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/evince-devel/2008-January/000003.html
Jan 16 16:34:01 <LoCusF> michele_: gotta keep in mind, where do I get the sources to apply that patch to?
Jan 16 16:34:24 <michele_> LoCusF: svn
Jan 16 16:34:49 <michele_> https://garage.maemo.org/svn/evince/trunk
Jan 16 16:35:16 <LoCusF> michele_: cool thanks
Jan 16 16:37:57 * czr peeks
Jan 16 16:38:26 <johnx> setting up a debian buildd is a real pain
Jan 16 16:41:05 <johnx> I give up for now
Jan 16 16:41:08 <johnx> 'night everyone
Jan 16 16:52:42 <nick_fn> On my Palm, I used to use iSilo to read web pages 'offline', on the train, etc. and then delete them.  Each was a single 'document' complete with several pages and images. Is there a way to do something similar on Maemo? I looked at FBReader today, but the Plucker image support seems broken; the images came out garbled.
Jan 16 16:52:58 <alterego> That was a nice walk :)
Jan 16 16:53:06 <alterego> Damn dark now though ..
Jan 16 16:53:16 <|R> for the canadians here... it worked with the old or new discount code ? (nokia.ca)
Jan 16 16:53:39 <alterego> |R, try both :P
Jan 16 16:53:47 <|R> yeah, but it's so damn slow ;)
Jan 16 16:53:53 <alterego> For me, the new one was the only that worked.
Jan 16 16:54:05 <alterego> Have no idea what the original one was in the first acceptance email ..
Jan 16 16:54:32 <|R> new one won't work :(
Jan 16 16:54:38 <alterego> :/
Jan 16 16:54:46 <czr> hey alterego
Jan 16 16:54:46 <|R> i chose france originally
Jan 16 16:54:51 <alterego> Hey czr :)
Jan 16 16:55:11 <michele_> nick_fn: you can just save the full html from your web browser, most of them can do that
Jan 16 16:55:16 <alterego> czr, got my modules to compile and my USB wifi dongle works like a charm. Though the busybox ifconfig is a POS. :)
Jan 16 16:55:21 <namtastic> yeah, nick_fn, I miss that too. I've found (at least in OS2008) the Save As... -> Complete Web Page works well for the occasional article I want to read later. But there's no one-click thing like iSilo
Jan 16 16:55:40 <nick_fn> michele_: I'm after something I can do from a shell easily (and crontab)?
Jan 16 16:55:47 <alterego> namtastic, wget -r ? :)
Jan 16 16:55:51 <michele_> nick_fn: wget? curl?
Jan 16 16:55:53 <namtastic> I had high hopes for Mozilla's Project Joey, but it's online only
Jan 16 16:56:06 <alterego> Just setup sbox2 maemo SDK. Lets have a play :)
Jan 16 16:56:24 <nick_fn> michele_: yeah, I guess I could wrap wget and then scp over the directory. Hmm... ok, ta for the idea.
Jan 16 16:56:56 <nick_fn> I'd maybe write a Python/GTK GUI to let me easily delete the 'packages' once I've read them
Jan 16 16:57:00 <czr> alterego, yeah, the ifconfig is really bad in it
Jan 16 16:57:09 <czr> alterego, I'm thinking of playing with pedago next
Jan 16 16:57:16 * alterego googles.
Jan 16 16:57:28 <namtastic> i'm not a big shell guy, and it's the desktop to tablet step i'd want to one-click
Jan 16 16:57:37 <namtastic> yeah yeah, i'm lame :)
Jan 16 16:58:01 <michele_> that could be done with rsync
Jan 16 16:58:01 <alterego> czr, I think I'll write a blog entry about setting up scratchbox 1 and scratchbox to in a Linux KVM environment.
Jan 16 16:58:04 <czr> alterego, it's not public..
Jan 16 16:58:09 <alterego> Complete step by step.
Jan 16 16:58:12 <michele_> sounds like a nice simple project for someone :)
Jan 16 16:58:25 <alterego> czr, are you permitted to tell me what it is then? :)
Jan 16 16:58:36 <czr> alterego, I am, I'm looking for the page and will give you the url
Jan 16 16:58:46 <alterego> Nice
Jan 16 16:58:48 <czr> (it's not referenced from any other pages, so google doesn't find it)
Jan 16 16:58:55 <namtastic> michele, make that a bkg service that takes a del.icio.us tag feed as input and i'm sold :D
Jan 16 16:59:00 <czr> it's a pedagogical kernel driver that I use(d) for kernel programming training
Jan 16 16:59:12 <alterego> Nice.
Jan 16 16:59:15 <LoCusF> michele_: building it now
Jan 16 16:59:35 <czr> alterego, basically a multi-instance system-wide atomic counter service for userspace processes
Jan 16 16:59:58 <czr> with pause support and other stuff, let me dig for it
Jan 16 17:00:01 <alterego> Hmm, I think my VM network is a bit buggy.
Jan 16 17:00:12 <michele_> namtastic: I hate delicious tag feeds, you get ten thousand times the same link
Jan 16 17:00:25 <alterego> Having one VM it works fine. But I've just noticed, using multiple VM's that one will work and the other's will hang.
Jan 16 17:00:55 <alterego> Then if you do something on a hung one, it'll become active and make the previously active VM's network hang .. Very odd.
Jan 16 17:01:15 <alterego> Probably something to do with my misuse of bridged networking adapters.
Jan 16 17:01:20 <czr> alterego, http://koltsoff.com/pedago/
Jan 16 17:01:36 <rm_you|n800> lol
Jan 16 17:01:43 <czr> I need to update it anyway for newer kernel releases and implement better mutex mechanism, as well as add hotplug mechanism
Jan 16 17:01:55 <czr> alterego, they have the same MAC
Jan 16 17:01:59 <czr> alterego, or the same IP
Jan 16 17:02:13 <alterego> czr, of course .. They have the same damn MAC ..
Jan 16 17:02:17 * alterego slaps head.
Jan 16 17:02:25 <rm_you|n800> 35 minute long line for  tickets to a Tony Blair talk thing :P
Jan 16 17:02:28 <alterego> My forehead is pretty red now .. From the previous few days.
Jan 16 17:02:29 <michele_> damn we really really need a no-fuss decent music player
Jan 16 17:02:31 <czr> yeah, bridge doesn't like that too much ;-)
Jan 16 17:02:44 <jott> czr: may the googlebot hit this page now! :)
Jan 16 17:02:59 <czr> jott, I'm beyond caring at this time :-)
Jan 16 17:03:11 <czr> I'll update it first and maybe add a link to it from my main page
Jan 16 17:03:22 * jott wonders how many seconds it will take until google notices ;)
Jan 16 17:03:28 <czr> quite many
Jan 16 17:03:48 <alterego> czr, at least it's 2.6.X ;)
Jan 16 17:03:52 <jott> sometimes i'm amazed how fast the googlebot visits (sure, not in general)
Jan 16 17:03:55 <czr> alterego, indeed :-)
Jan 16 17:04:00 <czr> alterego, soon it will be also 2.6.24
Jan 16 17:04:04 <alterego> Heh
Jan 16 17:04:09 <rm_you|n800> GeneralAntilles: anything going on in  the past few days?
Jan 16 17:04:10 <czr> and probably 21, since I'll play on the device with it
Jan 16 17:04:16 <czr> it worked with bora/os2007 quite nicely
Jan 16 17:04:32 <namtastic> michele, it's more about a personal tag, i already have a "readlater" which i never get around to -- yeah, the public ones are a mess
Jan 16 17:04:49 <rm_you|n800> i haven't been on because my  computer here is kinda wonky
Jan 16 17:04:57 <alterego> That's pretty neat czr
Jan 16 17:05:30 <czr> alterego, it's fairly simple, yet contains multiple locking/concurrency problems
Jan 16 17:05:46 <alterego> Yah
Jan 16 17:05:49 <czr> and is easy to extend when doing exersises (adding new functionality, fixing the concurrency issue, etc)
Jan 16 17:06:17 <czr> alterego, how do you like the syntax high-light btw? hover your mouse over a green-dotted underlined text (and click on it afterwards)
Jan 16 17:06:43 <czr> (the hover will work on function names only, not macros nor other stuff)
Jan 16 17:06:44 <alterego> czr, Oh, that's neat. What are you using?
Jan 16 17:07:17 <namtastic> bye
Jan 16 17:07:27 <czr> alterego, synhilite. my own toolset
Jan 16 17:07:34 <rm_you|n800> czr: what is this you're talking about?
Jan 16 17:07:39 <czr> rm_you|n800, what?
Jan 16 17:07:51 <czr> I'm talking about a lot of things, be more specific? :-)
Jan 16 17:07:53 <alterego> czr, funky, is it dynamic? Or did you generate a static page?
Jan 16 17:08:09 <czr> alterego, fully static. all colors/styles are in external CSS (as they should be).
Jan 16 17:08:16 <rm_you|n800> lol... that
Jan 16 17:08:17 <alterego> Nice.
Jan 16 17:08:30 <rm_you|n800> all colors/styles are in external CSS (as they should be).
Jan 16 17:08:44 <czr> why lol?
Jan 16 17:09:07 <czr> alterego, I was working on automatic man-page linking during the summer for the toolchain
Jan 16 17:09:18 <alterego> Awesome.
Jan 16 17:09:28 <czr> so that when you use anything from section 2 or 3, it would get the prototypes from the manual pages and link to their pretty xhtml versions directly
Jan 16 17:09:36 <alterego> I was planning on doing something just like that in Ruby/for Ruby and C
Jan 16 17:09:37 <rm_you|n800> just curious... and bored... and trying to comprehend the conversation :P
Jan 16 17:09:48 <czr> rm_you|n800, ah. lol indeed then ;-)
Jan 16 17:09:55 <czr> alterego, yeah, parsing man-pages is evil.
Jan 16 17:10:36 <rm_you|n800> ah well
Jan 16 17:10:50 <alterego> czr, heard the news about Sun Microsystems buying MySQL for 3 million?
Jan 16 17:10:55 <alterego> Sorry, 3 billion ..
Jan 16 17:11:05 * Lahiru wondering about PenguinBait :)
Jan 16 17:11:09 <czr> yeah. friend just started working there two days ago
Jan 16 17:11:24 <alterego> Interesting.
Jan 16 17:11:30 * czr curses at all of the typos and bad things in pedago
Jan 16 17:11:39 <alterego> Heh
Jan 16 17:12:18 <alterego> It's neater and more readable/documented than 90% of the Linux kernel .. I wouldn't complain :P
Jan 16 17:12:30 <Zetx> rm_you|n800: dammit rm, you've made me reconsider the n800 =P
Jan 16 17:12:31 <rm_you|n800> i guess i'll just play lxdoom then :/
Jan 16 17:12:42 <czr> alterego, it's for training use :-)
Jan 16 17:12:45 <rm_you|n800> Zetx: rofl
Jan 16 17:12:54 <rm_you|n800> why are you here
Jan 16 17:13:00 <rm_you|n800> :P
Jan 16 17:13:02 <czr> although I often use my own training code to refresh stuff that I haven't used for a long time
Jan 16 17:13:03 <Zetx> I'm chilling
Jan 16 17:13:11 <rm_you|n800> lol
Jan 16 17:13:18 <Zetx> I asked about bluetooth headsets yesterday or thereabouts :P
Jan 16 17:13:25 <rm_you|n800> heh
Jan 16 17:13:33 <alterego> czr, how's your day been anyhow? Feeling better in regards to your man flu?
Jan 16 17:13:40 <alterego> I've had a nice day today.
Jan 16 17:13:45 <rm_you|n800> get redirected to johnx/my thread?
Jan 16 17:14:07 <Zetx> Nah, I read it though. But it was more on mplayer, I was wondering about call quality and such
Jan 16 17:14:16 <czr> alterego, yeah, still have semirunning nose, but been ok. only slept 1.5 hours though ;-)
Jan 16 17:14:26 <alterego> Eesh.
Jan 16 17:14:32 <czr> alterego, was doing networking/design stuff most of the day anyway
Jan 16 17:14:33 <alterego> Which # nap was that ;)
Jan 16 17:14:42 <czr> it wasn't a nap. it was my sleep ;-)
Jan 16 17:14:47 <alterego> Heh
Jan 16 17:14:49 <rm_you|n800> Zetx: it's weird talking to you on another irc server :P
Jan 16 17:14:55 <Zetx> lol
Jan 16 17:14:57 <alterego> I only got 4 hours last night. But I feel great. Not tired at all.
Jan 16 17:15:23 <rm_you|n800> especially just stumbling into you here :P
Jan 16 17:15:42 <Zetx> You haven't been on Archive in awhile. I wasn't really expecting you in here... but I should've
Jan 16 17:15:43 <alterego> Went for a walk for 1 1/2 hours, played with my nephew for an hour. Setup my scratchbox VM and got ruby-maemo and everything back in there.
Jan 16 17:15:51 <alterego> It's been a good day.
Jan 16 17:15:53 <Lahiru> Hi, If I could compile a native C++ program using scratch box for OS2008.. will it run on N800?
Jan 16 17:15:55 <alterego> Now all I need is some food :D
Jan 16 17:16:23 <czr> Lahiru, assuming N800 is running OS2008. yes.
Jan 16 17:16:23 <Lahiru> I mean , I'm confused with the architecture,,, x86 and maemo
Jan 16 17:16:42 <Lahiru> czr: so even a QT program?
Jan 16 17:17:00 <czr> Lahiru, assuming you install qt on the device, yes.
Jan 16 17:17:01 <alterego> Lahiru, the x86 target is for testing that your apps work. You use the armel target to cross-compile your programs for the tablets.
Jan 16 17:17:18 <rm_you|n800> Anyone have any new ideas on fitting a HildonControlbar into something resembling a GtkMenu?? :/
Jan 16 17:17:26 <czr> alterego, sounds like fun. I'll try to sleep more tonight. still suffering from jetlag, and somehow it's just getting worse and worse ;-)
Jan 16 17:17:34 <alterego> Lahiru, you should really run through the tutorial. It's not long and it'll answer a lot of these question. The training material is awesome too.
Jan 16 17:17:42 <alterego> Heh
Jan 16 17:18:11 <rm_you|n800> worth a shot...
Jan 16 17:18:24 <czr> "awesome training material" whee
Jan 16 17:18:28 <alterego> :)
Jan 16 17:18:49 <rm_you|n800> Zetx: off to play doom on my n800 :P
Jan 16 17:18:49 <alterego> I wonder, is 20G enough for scratchbox development?
Jan 16 17:18:53 <rm_you|n800> ttyl
Jan 16 17:18:54 <alterego> I'd imagine it is ..
Jan 16 17:18:56 <czr> alterego, should be
Jan 16 17:18:56 <Zetx> laters, rm
Jan 16 17:18:58 <mgedmin> plenty
Jan 16 17:19:09 <Lahiru> alterego: would you mind me sending the link please.. Thanks a lot!
Jan 16 17:19:14 <czr> alterego, unless you plan to rebuild a lot of stuff, but for most stuff even 10G would be plenty
Jan 16 17:19:21 <mgedmin> scratchbox is huge, but only ~ 2 gigabyte-huge
Jan 16 17:19:44 <czr> Lahiru, http://maemo.org/maemo_training_material/maemo4.x/ (training material for Chinook [OS2008 development environment])
Jan 16 17:19:57 <alterego> Lahiru, maemo4 tutorial: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/maemo_4-0_tutorial.html
Jan 16 17:20:00 <alterego> What a team.
Jan 16 17:20:05 <czr> was just looking for that one :-) thanks ;-)
Jan 16 17:20:06 <michele_> jusfuckgingoogleit.com
Jan 16 17:20:11 <michele_> justfuckgingoogleit.com
Jan 16 17:20:19 <alterego> 3rd time lucky?
Jan 16 17:20:24 <michele_> justfuckginggoogleit.com
Jan 16 17:20:26 <michele_> there!
Jan 16 17:20:27 <michele_> :D
Jan 16 17:20:38 <alterego> What's that extra 'g' mean?
Jan 16 17:20:45 <michele_> crap
Jan 16 17:20:47 <Lahiru> alterego: czr Thanks a lot!
Jan 16 17:20:48 <sp3000> do what to gin now?
Jan 16 17:20:52 <michele_> I give up
Jan 16 17:20:54 <alterego> Lahiru, no problem.
Jan 16 17:21:13 * czr thinks michele_ just likes the character g
Jan 16 17:21:22 <mgedmin> must be a gnome hacker :)
Jan 16 17:21:26 <alterego> Heh
Jan 16 17:21:38 <alterego> Ah, that's what I was going to do.
Jan 16 17:21:44 * alterego starts compiling gnome for his tablet.
Jan 16 17:21:52 <czr> Lahiru, no problem. spend some time with them and if you still run across problems, don't be afraid to ask here. there's also a mailing list (maemo-developers) which you might want to subscribe if you plan to do development for longer times
Jan 16 17:21:54 <alterego> I'm gonna throw this at penguinbait :P
Jan 16 17:21:56 <czr> mgedmin, heh
Jan 16 17:22:16 <czr> hmm. my konqueror just crashed, boohoo
Jan 16 17:22:52 <michele_> ahah alterego
Jan 16 17:23:11 <michele_> czr: the problem is my keyboard has an excess of Gs
Jan 16 17:23:20 <alterego> I'm pretty serious though. I've got a spare tablet, I think installing gnome on it would be quite interesting.
Jan 16 17:23:25 * czr sends michele_'s keyboard to space
Jan 16 17:23:30 <Lahiru> czr: alterego I would love to do some hacks on maemo.. like compiling firefox etc.. hehe and even gnome ;)
Jan 16 17:23:49 <Lahiru> I should read this tutorial.. thanks again
Jan 16 17:23:50 <czr> Lahiru, you'll want to learn to walk first, before running :-)
Jan 16 17:23:51 <alterego> Lahiru, firefox is pretty pointless, as microb uses the Gecko rendering engine already.
Jan 16 17:24:10 <czr> well, you can't have Gnome without Firefox, right?
Jan 16 17:24:23 <alterego> Heh, no. Galeon :P
Jan 16 17:24:25 <czr> no G without F. rule of universe #52.
Jan 16 17:24:27 <alterego> Nautilus :)
Jan 16 17:24:30 <michele_> epiphany
Jan 16 17:24:38 <alterego> Yeah, that too.
Jan 16 17:24:42 * alterego is old school.
Jan 16 17:24:43 * czr decides not to say "lynx"
Jan 16 17:24:50 <mgedmin> links is better anyway
Jan 16 17:24:59 * czr agrees
Jan 16 17:25:10 <alterego> elinks ftw! :P
Jan 16 17:25:26 * michele_ waits for somebody to say emacs
Jan 16 17:25:27 * mgedmin usually can't tell which of the links-alikes he's using
Jan 16 17:25:29 <alterego> I think I'll setup sbox-sdk.rubyx.co.uk this weekend.
Jan 16 17:25:30 <czr> hmm. there was a funny version of mozilla some time way back (2000-2001) which I used to use. used gecko as well
Jan 16 17:25:42 <michele_> czr: pornzilla?
Jan 16 17:25:50 <czr> err. no. :-)
Jan 16 17:26:04 <rm_you|n800> michele_: lol
Jan 16 17:26:10 <czr> I can't remember the name now. I did some mods for it for our project at work
Jan 16 17:26:20 <czr> it was pretty decent for our use
Jan 16 17:26:44 <jott> phoenix was the only "firefox" i really used ;)
Jan 16 17:26:56 <mgedmin> czr: seamonkey?
Jan 16 17:27:08 <mgedmin> netscape 6?
Jan 16 17:27:19 <czr> neh. not moz.org ones nor ns
Jan 16 17:27:24 <sp3000> beonex!
Jan 16 17:27:27 <czr> doesn't matter now
Jan 16 17:27:30 <sp3000> but that was later I think
Jan 16 17:27:30 <czr> no :-)
Jan 16 17:27:35 * czr shrugs
Jan 16 17:28:09 <alterego> czr, wanna send me your N00 tablet ?
Jan 16 17:28:26 <czr> sure. if you pay a 25% premium for the amount I have to pay for losing it ;-)
Jan 16 17:28:32 <alterego> Hah
Jan 16 17:28:48 <alterego> How many of those were actually made do you know?
Jan 16 17:28:51 * czr alterego that'd be about 27.5kE ;-)
Jan 16 17:28:54 <czr> bleh
Jan 16 17:29:11 * czr waves jedi hands.. that was a privage message and you didn't see it..
Jan 16 17:29:17 <czr> alterego, I have no idea
Jan 16 17:29:31 <sp3000> see what?
Jan 16 17:29:34 * sp3000 saw nothing.
Jan 16 17:29:40 <czr> sp3000, flying cows!
Jan 16 17:29:50 <czr> alterego is harboring them.
Jan 16 17:29:58 <sp3000> ah. makes sense
Jan 16 17:30:08 <alterego> I remember when my dad used to work for Acorn, he got this prototype tablet PC running Risc OS 3.7 it was really neat. He just wanted it to piss around with his GPS and the GPS software he wrote though. Had it for a couple of days.
Jan 16 17:30:25 <czr> I should probably take the N00 back at some point
Jan 16 17:30:39 <alterego> czr, wait until they forget. Then send it to me :)
Jan 16 17:30:44 <czr> I can't.
Jan 16 17:31:01 <czr> I signed in blood (my own and everyone in the room)
Jan 16 17:31:12 <michele_> N00? is that a prototype?
Jan 16 17:31:16 <alterego> I probably couldn't get waranty on it if I broke something though ..
Jan 16 17:31:28 <czr> alterego, probably not :-)
Jan 16 17:31:39 <czr> michele_, it's the text that reads on the N810 pre-release devices
Jan 16 17:31:42 <czr> at least some of them.
Jan 16 17:31:53 <czr> or at least on the one that I have
Jan 16 17:31:58 * czr shrugs
Jan 16 17:32:17 <alterego> I think yours was probably the first revision. Before the mass production and product expo.
Jan 16 17:33:29 <czr> I didn't ask/wasn't really interested :-)
Jan 16 17:33:30 <alterego> Cause you probably had that around the time that Nokia appled for the FCC.
Jan 16 17:34:10 <czr> I think it's FCC actually, but can't be bothered to take out the battery now
Jan 16 17:34:11 <sp3000> appled eh :)
Jan 16 17:34:16 <czr> hah
Jan 16 17:34:31 <czr> alterego, I did have a pre-fcc 770 at some point though.
Jan 16 17:34:32 * sp3000 blames the residual jobs rays
Jan 16 17:34:42 <alterego> Neat
Jan 16 17:34:42 <czr> apple will have to buy oracle next.
Jan 16 17:34:50 <alterego> Hah
Jan 16 17:35:01 <czr> otherwise they'll be left out of the game.. and jobs wants to play too! I'm sure.
Jan 16 17:35:20 <alterego> Then rename Oracle to iDB
Jan 16 17:35:24 <alterego> Or iBase
Jan 16 17:35:34 <czr> i0wned
Jan 16 17:35:56 <maddler> iDropDB
Jan 16 17:36:10 <alterego> iBase touch
Jan 16 17:36:15 <czr> hah, reminds me of the 'bobby tables' strip in xkcd
Jan 16 17:36:35 <czr> http://xkcd.com/327/
Jan 16 17:36:39 <mgedmin> heheh
Jan 16 17:36:41 <mgedmin> xkcd rules
Jan 16 17:36:57 <czr> indeed.
Jan 16 17:43:10 <czr> http://xkcd.com/356/ (last spam, sry ;-)
Jan 16 17:45:03 <alterego> Hahah
Jan 16 17:45:13 <michele_> 'nite folks
Jan 16 17:45:26 <czr> nite
Jan 16 17:49:58 <alterego> I think this will be my first blog post.
Jan 16 17:50:23 <alterego> Hopefully once I've posted this Quim will add me to the maemo planet.
Jan 16 17:50:37 <alterego> Then I can start pimping ruby-maemo like satan's little helpers.
Jan 16 17:52:06 <czr> ah, I always wondered who pimps the helpers
Jan 16 17:52:13 * czr is eduficated now
Jan 16 17:52:34 <maddler> doh! just remembered I had to create lardman blog!
Jan 16 17:53:00 <alterego> Not the sort of thing you want to hear from a user called 'atombomb': "[atombomb] oh shit i forgot my root password"
Jan 16 17:53:54 <Blafasel> becksbier.. Ugh
Jan 16 17:54:03 <czr> alterego, heh
Jan 16 17:54:06 * alterego likes becks ..
Jan 16 17:54:27 <Blafasel> Bah
Jan 16 17:54:35 <Blafasel> Btw: It's "Beck's"
Jan 16 17:54:49 <Blafasel> Against all rules in the german language.
Jan 16 17:54:51 <alterego> bex's?
Jan 16 17:55:17 <alterego> It's german?!
Jan 16 17:55:21 * alterego chuckles.
Jan 16 17:55:24 <Blafasel> hrhr
Jan 16 17:55:41 <Blafasel> Talking about http://www.becks.de/ here as well?
Jan 16 17:55:57 <Blafasel> The Beck's beer is german, yes.
Jan 16 17:56:03 <Blafasel> Unfortunately ;)
Jan 16 18:16:42 <Lahiru> anyone compiled QT for maemo pls? :)
Jan 16 18:20:32 <pierlux> can the sound output be increased? even at max, I can't hear the sound in the headphones while in the subway...
Jan 16 18:21:22 <alterego> pierlux, when you plug the head phones in, the master volume gets lowered. Go back to the home screen and max that out again.
Jan 16 18:21:43 <alterego> It's an annoying AVLS system Nokia obviously thought was useful, alternatively, buy some better headphones ;)
Jan 16 18:21:59 <pierlux> I did put it to max again, and it is still not load enough
Jan 16 18:22:19 <pierlux> we can plug normal headphones? even if they are missing the mike pin?
Jan 16 18:22:32 <alterego> Of course.
Jan 16 18:22:41 <pierlux> noted
Jan 16 18:23:21 <alterego> Though I must warn you, listening to prolonged load audio may damage your hearing. It has an accumulative effect. So don't do it too much, but I do sympathise with your problem as I suffer it occasionally on buses, etc. :)
Jan 16 18:23:46 * alterego appends disclaimer ;)
Jan 16 18:37:25 <czr> I use headphones which isolate the environment
Jan 16 18:37:38 <czr> that way you don't need to listen to too loud music
Jan 16 18:37:47 <lcuk> i use headphones to beat up people who have their ipods too loud
Jan 16 18:38:44 <lcuk> actually, just reading back - n810 headphones dont work properly unless i press the button on them
Jan 16 18:38:50 <czr> I like the koss earbuds ( http://www.koss.com/koss/kossweb.nsf/p?openform&pc^eb )
Jan 16 18:39:15 <czr> they could be higher quality (I wear and tear them a lot, so tend to break any headphones within 1.5 years normally anyway)
Jan 16 18:39:42 <czr> (the sparkplug is what I've had for couple of years now)
Jan 16 18:39:50 <lcuk> the last time i actually had and used headphones was a cassette walkman!
Jan 16 18:40:35 <lcuk> i was miffed when it chewed up atape last week ;)
Jan 16 18:40:59 * czr remembers all of his walkmans that he destroyed in his youth
Jan 16 18:41:17 <czr> digitized all my tapes some years back
Jan 16 18:41:56 <lcuk> i never bothered to get anything else once i got a car
Jan 16 18:42:04 * lcuk stopped having to walk anywhere
Jan 16 18:42:23 <czr> as long as I live in finland, I won't be getting a car
Jan 16 18:42:41 <lcuk> why not?
Jan 16 18:43:02 <czr> I live very close to helsinki city center and the public transport around here is very good
Jan 16 18:43:17 <czr> and owning cars in finland is pretty expensive anyway
Jan 16 18:43:28 <lcuk> i know that one
Jan 16 18:43:58 <lcuk> if i worked in city centre i would, but i would need to get into the city and then back out again, theres no direct transport
Jan 16 18:44:25 <czr> takes me about 15-20 minutes to get to my most frequently frequented clients' offices with the underground. during rush hours, it would take about 30 minutes with a car (plus all the hassle with finding a parking space, etc)
Jan 16 18:44:29 * czr nods
Jan 16 18:45:06 <lcuk> yer, outside work we have a metro which gets us into the city centre in 10-15mins and any meetings there we use it
Jan 16 18:45:32 <lcuk> but it takes me 15 mins in car to work, on public transport its over an hour
Jan 16 18:45:46 * lcuk is pondering getting a bike
Jan 16 18:45:52 * czr nods
Jan 16 18:46:12 <lcuk> its only 7 miles so its well within my limits
Jan 16 18:46:27 <lcuk> i just donjt like to be unclean all day after a sweaty ride
Jan 16 18:47:17 <lcuk> damn boss wont let me telecommute either
Jan 16 18:47:41 <lcuk> i code better in the evenings than first thing but he insists i should be there bright and early
Jan 16 18:47:53 <doc|home> lcuk: get a bike, then, for the first hour of work rub yourself against him. One way or the other he'll let you work from home.
Jan 16 18:48:29 <lcuk> lol - knowing him he would ratherl setup a shower than let me go home
Jan 16 18:48:39 <doc|home> heh
Jan 16 18:48:49 <czr> lcuk, depends on what kind of work you do really. I prefer to work at home when working alone on something, and with other people when working on some larger stuff (faster and more immediate communication).
Jan 16 18:49:54 <lcuk> i have no objection whatsoever to being there for most days - its just sometimes better to say "right im coding this week, ill see you next week with it finished
Jan 16 18:50:37 <lcuk> besides customers get in the way if im at work
Jan 16 18:50:47 <czr> true.
Jan 16 18:50:54 <pupnik> three cheers for new mplayer with on-screen display
Jan 16 18:51:03 <czr> whee
Jan 16 18:51:03 <lcuk> a 2 minute conversation with a customer can divert my mind for upto a couple of hours
Jan 16 18:51:23 <lcuk> ooooh pup, is it in the repo
Jan 16 18:51:45 <pupnik> it's whatever i just downloaded - hit the thingmabob key in playback
Jan 16 18:51:52 <pupnik> and you get the onscreen menu
Jan 16 18:51:58 <lcuk> lol will do - gotta dash dinner ready
Jan 16 18:53:06 <pupnik> does n810 use pixel doubling?
Jan 16 18:53:14 <pupnik> cause somehow the normal on-top menus display fine
Jan 16 18:53:43 <pupnik> it's the 'menu' key below the dpad
Jan 16 18:54:37 <pupnik> if mplayer is using xsp doubling, then it's amazing... somehow the on-top displays no longer break doubling
Jan 16 19:16:04 <alterego> pupnik, the green OSD?
Jan 16 19:17:08 <lcuk2> hello again, got a power question.  has anyone found a nicer way to handle - i am finished, please turn off backlight, lock screen and keys, disconnect net.  without turning it fully off
Jan 16 19:17:37 <lcuk2> i just wanna come back, unlock adn carry on
Jan 16 19:18:21 <lcuk2> the battry is flat again and it was just left on nightstand locked overnight
Jan 16 19:18:33 <doc|work> lcuk2: mine lasts much longer than that
Jan 16 19:18:54 <lcuk2> it depends on nettimeout and screentimeout
Jan 16 19:19:19 <lcuk2> net timeout is at an hour for mine so scp works
Jan 16 19:19:51 <pupnik> green?
Jan 16 19:20:33 <pupnik> lcuk2: i dunno... i let the screen timeout set it to sleep - no 'instant sleep' known to me
Jan 16 19:20:44 <pupnik> bp-4l batteries not very cheap, i find
Jan 16 19:21:15 <lcuk2> if you slide the lock switch it should goto sleep
Jan 16 19:21:17 <pupnik> hail tak
Jan 16 19:21:26 <Tak> hile
Jan 16 19:22:40 <Screaming> Why, whenever I innocently type something like apt-get xyz, do I always feel I have just engaged some feral guide who is taking me into the most lethal depths of the Casbah in Marrocco? (my apologies to any Marroccans listening)
Jan 16 19:23:35 <Tak> apt-get rock thecasbah
Jan 16 19:23:54 <lcuk2> apt-get beer
Jan 16 19:24:42 <Screaming> virtual beer any one?
Jan 16 19:25:14 * Tak virtual beer snob
Jan 16 19:25:27 <Screaming> lcuk2: tried turningbitboffline overnight?
Jan 16 19:25:52 <Screaming> s/bit/ it /
Jan 16 19:25:52 <infobot> Screaming meant: lcuk2: tried turning it boffline overnight?
Jan 16 19:25:52 <Tak> Screaming meant: lcuk2: tried turning it boffline overnight?
Jan 16 19:26:12 <Screaming> grr -b
Jan 16 19:26:16 <mgedmin> boffline?
Jan 16 19:26:40 <sp3000> turning\bit\boffline, clearly he meant word breaks :)
Jan 16 19:26:49 <mgedmin> what's with extra letters today?
Jan 16 19:26:53 <lcuk2> lol i dont like turning it fully off - it takes too long to comed back, its a loud bootup sound and it blinds me
Jan 16 19:26:58 <mgedmin> michele_ had exta g's, you have extra b's
Jan 16 19:27:04 <Tak> bdunnog
Jan 16 19:27:16 <lcuk2> everyone with 810s
Jan 16 19:27:26 <mgedmin> lcuk2: the obvious solution is to leave it plugged into the charger overnight
Jan 16 19:28:10 <lcuk2> i do but last night i forgot and it was dead when i came back to it, surely i can say right, i am finished for now
Jan 16 19:28:27 <mgedmin> hm
Jan 16 19:28:30 <pupnik> i find it a little depressing that i'm getting used to the tablets
Jan 16 19:28:31 <mgedmin> shouldn't die overnight
Jan 16 19:28:36 <lcuk2> i dont want to waste electric tho
Jan 16 19:29:21 <lcuk2> i have been able to hibernate every device i had in past
Jan 16 19:29:37 <Screaming> lcuk2 on switch->offline mode WFM
Jan 16 19:30:06 <alterego> Yeah, mine's lasted for days idle.
Jan 16 19:30:08 <lcuk2> it was offline
Jan 16 19:30:21 <lcuk2> net connect asks firrst
Jan 16 19:30:22 <alterego> Even connected to wireless and bluetooth active.
Jan 16 19:30:23 <lcuk2> no bt
Jan 16 19:30:33 <lcuk2> no usb
Jan 16 19:30:45 <lcuk2> light on minimum brightness
Jan 16 19:31:00 <lcuk2> set off after 2 mins
Jan 16 19:31:20 <lcuk2> ponder...
Jan 16 19:31:34 <mgedmin> lcuk2: buggy 3rd party applets?
Jan 16 19:31:48 <lcuk2> does fbreader keep screen on - i saw a buf report about it wanted
Jan 16 19:31:58 <lcuk2> ill test tonight
Jan 16 19:32:03 <mgedmin> no, it doesn't
Jan 16 19:32:16 <lcuk2> good
Jan 16 19:32:38 <lcuk2> ill watch it overnight and report back
Jan 16 19:32:48 <lcuk2> see whats running
Jan 16 19:32:58 <mgedmin> it has autosaves every 30 seconds, but I'm pretty sure it's smart enough and doesn't do that if you don't actually page through the text
Jan 16 19:33:13 <mgedmin> hm, could be worth checking
Jan 16 19:33:18 <lcuk2> it did this on day 1 but that was net related - never disconnected
Jan 16 19:35:23 <lcuk2> thanks folks
Jan 16 19:38:31 <Lahiru> Hi, have anyone compiled QT for maemo?
Jan 16 19:39:13 <mgedmin> I've seen screenshots of KDE on maemo, so I assume yes
Jan 16 19:39:13 <mgedmin> but
Jan 16 19:39:17 <mgedmin> but I don't know who
Jan 16 19:40:24 <Sho_> Anyone else having a perpetual "map" item in their Application Manager's updates screen that has the same version as the one already installed and errors out on installation?
Jan 16 19:40:46 <mardi___> yes
Jan 16 19:41:04 <Sho_> Did anyone do the work to fix that one yet? :-)
Jan 16 19:41:20 <lcuk> repo duplication problem?
Jan 16 19:41:30 <sp3000> there's https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2622
Jan 16 19:41:40 <lcuk> 2 repos offering same software but one linked to package not avail?
Jan 16 19:41:42 <Sho_> sp3000: ah, thanks
Jan 16 19:41:46 <mgedmin> lcuk: no
Jan 16 19:41:50 <lcuk> ahhh well
Jan 16 19:41:54 <lcuk> im tryin
Jan 16 19:42:04 <mgedmin> apt-cache policy map shows that it is only available from one repo (tableteer)
Jan 16 19:42:05 <sp3000> wtf, applications::help
Jan 16 19:42:30 <mgedmin> unless maybe app installer thinks "locally installed and no longer available from anywhere" is also a repository
Jan 16 19:42:38 * jsmith wanders away...
Jan 16 19:42:42 <mgedmin> I upgraded it with sudo apt-get install map
Jan 16 19:42:52 <mgedmin> it didn't pull in any dependencies, just that one package
Jan 16 19:42:55 * sp3000 wonders if repositories would be a better component
Jan 16 19:43:21 * mgedmin reads bug
Jan 16 19:43:31 <mgedmin> yes, maybe it's the missing signature that's the problem
Jan 16 19:43:46 <mgedmin> interesting
Jan 16 19:45:43 <sp3000> hmm, I get OK/Cancel
Jan 16 19:46:11 <pupnik> star trek - the cage was really good
Jan 16 19:46:11 * sp3000 lives dangerously and goes with the OK like a good hapless user should
Jan 16 19:46:34 * lcuk thinks sp3000 has vista installed at home :P
Jan 16 19:47:09 <sp3000> hardly :)
Jan 16 19:48:08 <sp3000> but I've heard rumors it has some extra user training to help learn to ignore security related dialogs even faster than before, or something
Jan 16 19:48:32 * sp3000 hasn't had the pleasure
Jan 16 19:49:10 <lcuk> whatever it has it doesnt work - everything is slower/shitter, we have a single machine with it on at work and all i hear from that office is annoyance at the pile of steaming poo
Jan 16 19:49:56 <czr> that's the overall sentiment we have as well
Jan 16 19:50:02 <lcuk> infact i hear the same kind of grumblings with the other guy working on Visual Studio 2005.  makes sense really MS really have screwed up royally
Jan 16 19:50:03 <czr> and we have a bunch of vistas
Jan 16 19:50:34 <czr> I guess home users buying consumer laptops are the worst hit with preinstalled vistas
Jan 16 19:51:02 <lcuk> cant you upgrade vista to the new microsoft operating system.  i've heard rave reviews about this "XP" thing
Jan 16 19:51:23 <czr> unfortunately xp is not available anymore on consumer laptops
Jan 16 19:51:27 <mgedmin> nah, I tried it, but it isn't as good as ubuntu
Jan 16 19:51:41 <lcuk> i thought it was available as a relicense thing
Jan 16 19:52:09 <czr> lcuk, afaik no, but I haven't really checked, I don't use windows much (only server/ad admin stuff)
Jan 16 19:52:10 <lcuk> ahhh its on VLK only
Jan 16 19:53:53 <lcuk> consumer versions of all MS programs suck royally (even more than they used to)
Jan 16 19:54:19 * lcuk was happy with software released between 200 and 2003 
Jan 16 19:54:23 <alterego> Computers should come with OS.
Jan 16 19:54:25 <lcuk> 2000^
Jan 16 19:54:31 <czr> lcuk, a lot of software fits there ;-)
Jan 16 19:54:32 <alterego> It should be an extra.
Jan 16 19:54:52 <alterego> It's almost criminal really.
Jan 16 19:54:59 <czr> alterego, shouldn't you mean?
Jan 16 19:55:00 <alterego> I thought the EU was against monopolies.
Jan 16 19:55:02 <lcuk> actually you are right cz, too much
Jan 16 19:55:08 * lcuk limits his choices
Jan 16 19:55:15 <alterego> czr, yes. That's what I meant ;)
Jan 16 19:55:38 <czr> alterego, you got me wondering there for a while. windows-fanboy in hiding ;-)
Jan 16 19:56:07 <alterego> After the European court pissing on microsoft about Media player and internet explorer. You'd think they'd open the way for virgin laptops.
Jan 16 19:56:18 <alterego> In a way it kind of shows how hipocritical they are :P
Jan 16 19:56:35 <lcuk> imagine a new user having to install OS
Jan 16 19:56:47 <lcuk> i can understand the desire to have a ready to run machine
Jan 16 19:57:00 <lcuk> but the devil is in the details
Jan 16 19:57:00 <alterego> Sure, that's not the point.
Jan 16 19:57:05 <alterego> The point is it should be an extra.
Jan 16 19:57:16 <alterego> The user doesn't have to know how to install the OS.
Jan 16 19:57:17 <czr> forcing crap on users is evil, I think we all agree about that.
Jan 16 19:57:26 <lcuk> 100%
Jan 16 19:57:28 <alterego> They just have to stick the windows restore CD in the drive.
Jan 16 19:57:59 <lcuk> not all the time they dont - some systems dont even have a restore disk...
Jan 16 19:58:02 <alterego> I'm sure they can cope with a couple of wizard style questions like: Your name, A password.
Jan 16 19:58:19 <alterego> lcuk, I'm just merely giving a resolution :P
Jan 16 19:58:22 <lcuk> your SSID, bank account, mothers maiden name
Jan 16 19:58:26 <czr> "your credit card number"
Jan 16 19:58:30 <czr> lcuk, beat me to it :-)
Jan 16 19:58:34 <lcuk> ;)
Jan 16 19:58:36 <alterego> Some computers don't come with an OS :P
Jan 16 19:58:46 <lcuk> good job im on my big pooter now
Jan 16 19:58:50 <czr> yeah, I was talking about consumer laptops before that come with vista..
Jan 16 19:58:57 <alterego> Yeah
Jan 16 19:58:59 <lcuk> yer - mainly the ones that claim to have windows on
Jan 16 19:59:08 <czr> it's not an OS, it's just pure POS.
Jan 16 19:59:15 <alterego> Vista really is a bit broken right now. Reminds me of how bad XP was when that got released.
Jan 16 19:59:27 <alterego> Took over a year. ~2 for it to actually become stable.
Jan 16 19:59:31 <alterego> And even then/now ...
Jan 16 19:59:35 <lcuk> i dont think so - xp wasnt broken it just had more eye candy
Jan 16 19:59:39 <czr> the major grunmble I have with vista is it's GUI
Jan 16 19:59:46 <czr> and the ways that they've modified how everything works
Jan 16 19:59:55 <czr> stuff that I need is hidden much deeper now.
Jan 16 19:59:56 <lcuk> vista isnt eye candy, its the major changes
Jan 16 19:59:58 <alterego> You can get Vista to look like standard explorer.
Jan 16 20:00:02 <czr> and stuff that I never need fills up all the GUI
Jan 16 20:00:12 <lcuk> but it doesnt feel like it
Jan 16 20:00:14 <alterego> Yeah, can't argue with that :)
Jan 16 20:00:18 <czr> alterego, it goes much further than just explorer.
Jan 16 20:00:33 <czr> but anyhow, enough bitching (for me), need to get some food.. later all :-)
Jan 16 20:00:39 <lcuk> cya czr :)
Jan 16 20:00:41 <alterego> czr, I had the same issue from 2k -> XP.
Jan 16 20:00:52 <czr> alterego, oh, I feel your pain
Jan 16 20:00:53 <alterego> They just covered everything up with big friendly icons.
Jan 16 20:01:00 <lcuk> but under the hood, zp was 2k essentially
Jan 16 20:01:03 <czr> switching to "windows classic" theme is still the first thing I do with XP
Jan 16 20:01:05 <lcuk> xp
Jan 16 20:01:11 <alterego> XP/2K are NT
Jan 16 20:01:15 <alterego> Essentially :P
Jan 16 20:01:21 <lcuk> with vista there is so much different you cant just cover it over
Jan 16 20:01:28 <czr> you can
Jan 16 20:01:33 <czr> you use tin-foil
Jan 16 20:01:33 <lcuk> yer and nt4 was miles better than 9x
Jan 16 20:01:41 <lcuk> plenty of it
Jan 16 20:01:42 <alterego> czr, throw it out the window ;)
Jan 16 20:01:46 <alterego> Oh, crap.
Jan 16 20:01:52 <czr> only after covering it with tin-foil :-)
Jan 16 20:01:57 <czr> yeah, /me be off -> :-)
Jan 16 20:02:01 <alterego> I was gonna look into 3D hardware acceleration in my VM's ..
Jan 16 20:02:19 <lcuk> look into it on the 2420 first ;)
Jan 16 20:02:22 <Veggen> <---is in denial about Windows. "I don't know any Windows" has been my answer to any Windows-related things at work (and private) for ages. It makes life easier.
Jan 16 20:02:25 <Veggen> much easier.
Jan 16 20:02:34 <lcuk> veggen i wish i could
Jan 16 20:02:47 <Veggen> it's easier than you think.
Jan 16 20:03:04 * lcuk is feeling his way slowly around linux now properly for first time
Jan 16 20:03:12 <czr> "I don't know much about windows, and I wish to learn less"
Jan 16 20:03:13 <Veggen> but you'll have to learn something else that's needed, and preferably well.
Jan 16 20:03:17 <lcuk> not just "ive got a live cd and it looks good"
Jan 16 20:03:32 <alterego> I'm just happy I don't _have_ to use it. And that when I do have to use it, whilst fixing others' machines. I don't mind because it's never for more than a couple of hours at the most.
Jan 16 20:03:58 <czr> alterego, it takes more than two hours to reinstall the machine (with 10*reboots because of security fixes)
Jan 16 20:04:03 * czr hides & runs
Jan 16 20:04:24 <lcuk> the problem is, a windows system can be clean reliable fast and smooth - its just too damned easy to mess it up
Jan 16 20:04:30 <alterego> Well, that would be the case. But I have a slipstream disk that I keep pretty up-to-date.
Jan 16 20:04:45 <czr> I prefer images nowadays
Jan 16 20:04:48 <Tama^2> Hola
Jan 16 20:05:00 <czr> although you need fast storage and a lot of it for them to be useful
Jan 16 20:05:07 <czr> (or some more intelligent image format)
Jan 16 20:05:10 * lcuk checks when he installed this windows system
Jan 16 20:05:21 <Veggen> I know a guy whose idea of windows recovery was to check out the last known good version of his windows file system from cvs ;)
Jan 16 20:05:39 <alterego> Yeah, I like my RAID 0 ;)
Jan 16 20:05:58 <alterego> And qemu/kvm images just take what they need when they need it.
Jan 16 20:06:01 <Veggen> (i.e. he had "windows recovery" long before Microsoft invented it, but by mounting it in Linux and recover it from cvs ;)
Jan 16 20:06:22 <alterego> Veggen, that's pretty cool :)
Jan 16 20:06:35 <alterego> Probably better than Windows restore too! :D
Jan 16 20:07:02 <t_s_o> i got windows recovery right here, by storing everything important (install files for apps included) on a separate drive. so that i can at any moment nuke the windows drive and reinstall...
Jan 16 20:07:46 <t_s_o> hmm, mail on the ipod touch. N800 anyone?
Jan 16 20:08:26 <alterego> t_s_o, I think the point is, the install process is so damn tedious nuking your drive once a week becomes a _real_ pain in the ass.
Jan 16 20:08:38 <lcuk> installed january 2006, and that was only because i got a new motherboard/drive etc and wanted a clean out
Jan 16 20:08:52 <t_s_o> alterego: ones a week?!
Jan 16 20:09:13 <alterego> Sorry, I don't use windows. I don't know it's life expectancy right now :P
Jan 16 20:09:52 <lcuk> in the hands of a novice xp might last 10 days to a fortnight
Jan 16 20:10:09 <Tama^2> Khertan: I have downloaded the new version of your python bindings and they work for me
Jan 16 20:11:09 <lcuk> anyway - im gonna play with some python tonight
Jan 16 20:11:11 <t_s_o> alterego: well i only boot it for a spot of gaming ever so often so...
Jan 16 20:11:34 <lcuk> does Steam/orange box work with transgaming?
Jan 16 20:12:13 <t_s_o> hmm, just looked at the N810 specs on nseries.com. and i see it lists a 256MB flash alongside the 128MB of ram, is that some kind of swap solution?
Jan 16 20:12:32 <LinuxCode> 128MB ram
Jan 16 20:12:34 <LinuxCode> yes
Jan 16 20:12:46 <LinuxCode> it has 2GB internal SDHC card
Jan 16 20:13:55 <t_s_o> non-replaceable?
Jan 16 20:14:05 <lcuk> yer - soldered on
Jan 16 20:14:20 * lcuk supposes a determined person could change it
Jan 16 20:14:30 <LinuxCode> I think thats the only grudge I have for it
Jan 16 20:14:43 <LinuxCode> the N800 was better like that
Jan 16 20:14:52 <LinuxCode> but the case makes up for that
Jan 16 20:15:10 <lcuk> they couldnt have done gps maps without something fixed and onboard
Jan 16 20:15:17 <lcuk> and dependable
Jan 16 20:15:18 <LinuxCode> also you dont want to change the sd card often
Jan 16 20:15:32 <LinuxCode> the opening is flimsy
Jan 16 20:15:33 <LinuxCode> hehe
Jan 16 20:15:42 <LinuxCode> I will buy a 8GB card and never touch it
Jan 16 20:15:44 * pH5 wishes they had used dual microsd slots instead of minisd + emmc
Jan 16 20:16:00 <LinuxCode> errm
Jan 16 20:16:01 * lcuk will agree when he runs out of space
Jan 16 20:16:10 <LinuxCode> lcuk, haha
Jan 16 20:16:16 <LinuxCode> I want to take some books with me
Jan 16 20:16:16 <lcuk> its minisdhc though so should follow the available capacities
Jan 16 20:17:10 <qnr-lt> are there instructions for booting from the MMC card for an n800 running OS2008?  The procedure I used for n800/2007 doesn't seem to be working
Jan 16 20:19:55 <qnr-lt> to clarify, for setting it up, not for the actual booting
Jan 16 20:20:26 <lcuk> dont know qnr, just getting into the first os without worrying about another
Jan 16 20:20:54 <qnr-lt> ok, thanks lcuk
Jan 16 20:21:25 * qnr-lt was spoiled by having the system on a 4Gb card, wants it back :)
Jan 16 20:21:40 <lcuk> have you tried ITT forums?
Jan 16 20:21:46 * lcuk starts you off
Jan 16 20:21:47 <lcuk> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13443
Jan 16 20:22:09 <qnr-lt> thanks, no, at the moment, I've only been looking at the wikis
Jan 16 20:24:26 <lcuk> whats the difference between classes of mini sd cards (class 2 vs class 6) ???
Jan 16 20:24:38 <dhd> qnr-lt: what's the actual problem you're having, my N800 is booting from MMC without any problems
Jan 16 20:26:54 <dhd> see http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_Boot_From_MMC_card
Jan 16 20:27:51 * jsmith wanders away...
Jan 16 20:28:13 <qnr-lt> dhd, tbh, I haven't repartitioned or reformatted... the card is already partitioned.  just running initfs_flasher, there is nothing in there for the N800 & OS2008 - and it fails with a number of errors, for example: "Cannot find initfs.bootmenu.jffs2"
Jan 16 20:28:18 <sparrw> what is the 770 lcd?  manufacturer, part #, specs, etc?
Jan 16 20:28:31 <t_s_o> wsod?
Jan 16 20:28:44 <qnr-lt> dhd, yeah, that's what I used for my N800/OS2007 and it worked great, just not working with OS2008
Jan 16 20:28:50 <dhd> hmm
Jan 16 20:28:51 <Lahiru> K
Jan 16 20:29:01 <dhd> did you get the latest initfs_flasher?
Jan 16 20:29:33 <qnr-lt> well, I downloaded the one that was linked in the wiki page... I'll go check and see if there are updated versions
Jan 16 20:31:10 <qnr-lt> guess I could try the N810 one [random thought]
Jan 16 20:32:31 <lcuk> os2008 software is for both 800 and 810
Jan 16 20:34:19 <qnr-lt> yeah, I know, I'm running OS2008 at the moment :)
Jan 16 20:34:58 <lcuk> which hardware tho
Jan 16 20:35:06 * lcuk read it as though you were on 800
Jan 16 20:35:13 <qnr-lt> I'll go format the mmc card again
Jan 16 20:35:21 <qnr-lt> yes, I'm on an N800
Jan 16 20:43:51 <hachi> how do I get modest to flush its changes to my mailbox?
Jan 16 20:43:58 <hachi> I keep reading emails in it, it marks them as read
Jan 16 20:44:03 <hachi> and my imap server has no clue about this
Jan 16 20:44:12 <hachi> I can DELETE them, and my imap server has no clue about this
Jan 16 21:01:32 <chrisak> hachi: same for me; I don't have a solution tho.  I was thinking it was just a testing/beta release ... looking great so far :)
Jan 16 21:01:49 <t_s_o> hmm, latest modest nosedives here if i try to check a pop account with actual mails waiting...
Jan 16 21:05:22 <t_s_o> also, i cant seem to connect to msn using the beta chat
Jan 16 21:06:31 <Vulcanis> leave the ghost... its my desktop
Jan 16 21:06:37 <Vulcanis> Or kick him, I don't care, I guess.
Jan 16 21:24:58 <Tak> btw, are the US discount codes working for anyone yet?
Jan 16 21:40:53 <Cptnodegard> um
Jan 16 21:41:03 <Cptnodegard> wtf is the cuircuit inside the ca100 for?
Jan 16 21:41:41 <Cptnodegard> the nokia charger already is 5v, dont see why it cant run straight off usb
Jan 16 22:04:21 <lcuk> ampage?
Jan 16 22:10:27 <pupnik> current
Jan 16 22:11:10 <Screaming> Thanx to ThomasM, earlier tonight, for the idea. I finally got round to making a modified spanish .vkb file. It gives back the CapsLock on the vkbd, cos it has upper case where it should have lower and vice-versa. Along with ][{} and the few spanish keys I ever actually need in spain..(çñ¡¿).
Jan 16 22:13:00 <lcuk> thanks pup
Jan 16 22:13:03 * lcuk is tired
Jan 16 22:21:06 <Tak> so close: main.c:(.text+0x109c): undefined reference to `g_object_ref_sink'
Jan 16 22:22:14 <Mikho> old version of gtk?
Jan 16 22:22:25 <Mikho> check when the funcion first became available
Jan 16 22:22:38 <Tak> old version of glib AND gtk
Jan 16 22:22:48 <Mikho> well, just ref and then sink
Jan 16 22:23:04 <Screaming> xml source is in http://pastebin.org/15715. Put it in a file eses.xml the in scratchbox gen_vkb eses.xml. Copy es_ES.vjb to /home/share/keyboards sellect spanish as you  second language and enjoy.
Jan 16 22:23:12 <Tak> I don't care when it became available; I need to work around it
Jan 16 22:23:24 <Mikho> Tak, first ref and then sink
Jan 16 22:23:38 <Mikho> that is g_object_ref and then g_object_sink i think
Jan 16 22:23:57 * Tak try
Jan 16 22:24:06 <Mikho> hope it works
Jan 16 22:24:28 <Screaming> s/vjb/vkb/
Jan 16 22:24:28 <infobot> Screaming meant: xml source is in http://pastebin.org/15715. Put it in a file eses.xml the in scratchbox gen_vkb eses.xml. Copy es_ES.vkb to /home/share/keyboards sellect spanish as you  second language and enjoy.
Jan 16 22:24:36 <Tak> Screaming meant: xml source is in http://pastebin.org/15715. Put it in a file eses.xml the in scratchbox gen_vkb eses.xml. Copy es_ES.vkb to /home/share/keyboards sellect spanish as you  second language and enjoy.
Jan 16 22:24:55 <Screaming> Tnx Tak. dead right
Jan 16 22:26:51 <Screaming> gnite everybody
Jan 16 22:27:55 <Tak> meh, it's in the code generator...
Jan 16 22:49:19 <lcuk> the wifi in the 810... there is no way it will connect via an outside signal is there?
Jan 16 22:50:24 <Tama^2> what do you mean
Jan 16 22:51:17 <lcuk> i cant get it enabling itself with a signal from my desktop can it
Jan 16 22:52:30 <johnx> ah, you want to talk to it over USB and tell it to connect by wifi?
Jan 16 22:52:38 <johnx> or am I really confused?
Jan 16 22:52:55 <Tama^2> lcuk is confusing ;-P
Jan 16 22:52:58 <lcuk> almost, but there is no direct connect connection
Jan 16 22:53:03 <lcuk> no usb plugged in
Jan 16 22:53:19 <lcuk> i am wondering if my battery drained because perhaps the wifi was waking up
Jan 16 22:53:29 <johnx> ah
Jan 16 22:54:10 * lcuk confuses himself sometimes but gets there in the end
Jan 16 22:54:17 <lcuk> it all makes sense when i think i
Jan 16 22:54:20 <Tama^2> wifi if it's enabled (i.e. not in offline mode) will search for APs regularly
Jan 16 22:54:24 <johnx> my guesses in order: an app that was running in the background waking up often -or- an app that crashed and pegged the CPU at 100% -or- something holding a connection open and connected
Jan 16 22:55:11 <lcuk> connection disconnected manually - i make sure i do.  to connect it asks me which connection to use (I have 2 setup: work and home)
Jan 16 22:55:55 <johnx> right, but when it is showing the "which connection" window it is actively scanning for wifi and soaking up lots of power
Jan 16 22:55:57 <Tama^2> so probably it was something else that drained your battery
Jan 16 22:56:01 <johnx> better to go to offline mode
Jan 16 22:56:34 <lcuk> yer, but i noticed there was a "connect automatically: WLAN networks" option, but a search interval of never
Jan 16 22:56:47 <johnx> when the "which connection" window is showing it is using up more power than being connected to wifi with a good signal
Jan 16 22:57:43 <lcuk> so - if it was identifying a hotspot but displaying the connection selecter it could be using more power
Jan 16 22:57:57 <johnx> yes
Jan 16 22:58:07 <Tama^2> yes I concur xD
Jan 16 22:58:07 <johnx> because it rescans constantly for other access points
Jan 16 22:58:14 <lcuk> i think i will in future - im just used to being able to put it on standby easily
Jan 16 22:58:44 <lcuk> followup then: is there anyway i can tell the device to go into offline mode when i slide the lock screen?
Jan 16 22:58:59 <johnx> no idea
Jan 16 22:59:02 * johnx has an n800
Jan 16 22:59:17 <lcuk> or would that require devine (nokia bugfix) intervention
Jan 16 22:59:23 <lcuk> how do you lock your device?
Jan 16 23:01:41 <johnx> click power, menu shows up, click center of dpad for "lock screen"
Jan 16 23:03:15 <johnx> usually when I go to sleep I leave it connected to wifi and hooked up to the charger
Jan 16 23:03:25 <lcuk> ... on 810 that would require either getting the pen out (fat fingers) or sliding the keyboard and blinding myself
Jan 16 23:03:52 <alterego> Something wrong with the slide lock?
Jan 16 23:03:55 <alterego> That's how I do it.
Jan 16 23:03:58 <lcuk> since im only putting it down because im drifting off to sleep to have to wake up to lock it or plug it in seems silly
Jan 16 23:04:05 <lcuk> yer wifi connects
Jan 16 23:04:23 <lcuk> i think
Jan 16 23:05:12 <lcuk> ive set all the wifi options to most conservative (including its now disconnected even though I have an open SCP connection running)
Jan 16 23:05:49 <johnx> lcuk, do you have it set to check mail every n minutes?
Jan 16 23:06:00 <lcuk> (*) ding, ill just put keepalives in the CSP at this end
Jan 16 23:06:07 <lcuk> not configured mail - use gmail on the web
Jan 16 23:06:28 <lcuk> ^scp
Jan 16 23:13:03 <ph|ber> damnit.. anyone have a gnapplet.sis for symbian 60 3rd ?
Jan 16 23:13:55 <jbowes> anyone know of someone i can talk to about my discount code? the canadian store customer service people are clueless and rude.
Jan 16 23:20:11 <uE> jbowes - Since it seems that the US discount code doesn't work either, you may just have to be patient.
Jan 16 23:20:58 <jbowes> uE: oh, my code worked. but the session timed out before i could finish, and now it no longer works :/
Jan 16 23:20:59 <uE> Sux, I know. But Nokia has extended the discount code to July. So you are probably better off taking your 150CAD and parking it in a bank account.
Jan 16 23:22:29 <uE> jbowes - is Canada using letstalk? Or is it some other outfit?
Jan 16 23:23:08 <uE> jbowes - When I had trouble the issue was that letstalk could not process that discount code when other items were in the cart. It had to be N800 only.
Jan 16 23:23:12 <jbowes> uE: i think its their own thing
Jan 16 23:24:18 <uE> jbowes - OK, just keep bugging them until they fix it.
Jan 16 23:24:49 <jbowes> uE: heh. good advice. i better pour a stiff drink first, i think
Jan 16 23:26:43 <uE> jbowes - the thing I learned was that the first line of management did not have the ability to redo the discount code.
Jan 16 23:27:18 <uE> jbowes - they had to go farther up. And I am pretty sure they had to verify with the tablet group that I was on the discount code list
Jan 16 23:28:05 <uE> jbowes - I got lucky and got a customer service rep who was willing to do the leg work for that straight off.
Jan 16 23:30:15 <uE> jbowes - And you and all of your non-US comrades suck. Because I am still waiting to order my N810.
Jan 16 23:30:59 <jbowes> haha
Jan 16 23:31:47 <jbowes> very true. some people don't even have the chance to mess up their order yet.
Jan 16 23:56:55 <DaniloCesar> maemo SDK works on a 64bits machine?
Jan 16 23:57:30 <DaniloCesar> * ubuntu gutsy
Jan 16 23:58:52 <uE> DaniloCesar - Not that I know of.
Jan 16 23:58:59 <johnx> probably, only in a 32-bit chroot
Jan 16 23:59:20 <uE> That usually doesn't stop people since 32-bit chroots are readily available in most distros
Jan 17 00:00:19 <DaniloCesar> ok, thanks
Jan 17 02:07:05 * petergunn briefly openes an eye and looks around before going back to sleep
Jan 17 02:13:28 <LinuxCode> if any of you fellas are using a Belkin USB Bluettoth device namedly F8T012...blacklist pegasus kernel module
Jan 17 02:13:38 <LinuxCode> it loads and blocks the device
Jan 17 02:13:58 <LinuxCode>  echo "blacklist pegasus" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
Jan 17 02:14:00 <LinuxCode> fixes that
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