**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jan 19 02:59:56 2008 Jan 19 03:02:18 anyone have a deb for libwpeditor-plus-dev? Jan 19 03:02:28 seems to be awol in my scratchbox Jan 19 03:35:36 trevarthan, it should be available in the repository Jan 19 05:20:02 do n810 gps support in japan ? Jan 19 05:49:55 any1 using perl to connect to libssl on gregale? Jan 19 05:50:44 K-Fox, gps is worldwide Jan 19 05:54:31 tank-man : really? wow it's a great device Jan 19 06:39:38 * czr peeks Jan 19 06:40:13 morning, czr Jan 19 06:40:31 hey Lynoure :-). morning indeed. Jan 19 07:33:46 because of morning , all is quiet? Jan 19 07:34:10 i don't know Jan 19 07:34:16 it is very quiet though Jan 19 07:35:22 Someone accept my garage request!!! Jan 19 07:35:24 * rm_you sleeps Jan 19 07:41:17 * czr parks rm_you in his garage Jan 19 07:41:22 you want your oil changed sir? Jan 19 07:41:32 he's asleep Jan 19 07:41:35 might as well go for it Jan 19 07:41:44 just charge him when he wakes up :) Jan 19 07:42:01 nah, I'm testing new prototype oil, can't charge for that :-) Jan 19 07:42:12 it's made out of compressed maemo developer souls Jan 19 07:43:18 sounds envigorating Jan 19 07:45:10 I haven't yet tested it on human subjects, we'll have to see. Jan 19 07:45:17 * czr finishes changing rm_you's oil Jan 19 07:45:23 you'd better ask him when he wakes up Jan 19 07:45:31 meh Jan 19 07:46:37 OT. hmm. any experience with openssl performace on x86-64? aka, is it any faster when the CPU is running in long mode (64-bit) vs 32-bit one. Jan 19 07:46:48 (for SSL usage) Jan 19 07:48:33 ah, seems so, at least for RSA Jan 19 07:49:24 czr: http://www.newmobilecomputing.com/story/5768/Are_64-bit_Binaries_Really_Slower_than_32-bit_Binaries_/page2/ might be interesting too Jan 19 07:49:53 though I did not read it enough to check relevance :) Jan 19 07:50:19 yeah, maybe you should have, it's for sparc ;-) Jan 19 07:50:31 I found some other info off google though, so no problem :-) Jan 19 07:50:43 the RSA stuff in long mode is at least 100% faster Jan 19 07:50:48 which makes sense. Jan 19 07:55:23 <[pablo]> so that's weird, the power and keylock buttons on my n810 just stopped working for no reason Jan 19 08:03:44 <[pablo]> can anyone think of anything that might cause my n810 to constantly think it was still open, even when it's closed? Jan 19 08:04:53 I don't have an N810 but my old zaurus 5500 with pullout keyboard would get confused if the contacts got dirty Jan 19 08:06:01 <[pablo]> i don't see any contacts =/ Jan 19 08:06:24 I figured it was a long shot Jan 19 08:09:33 any news of the US discount codes? Jan 19 08:50:38 anyone get gngeo to install on os2008? Jan 19 09:40:46 hmm Jan 19 09:40:53 maemo need a screenshot library Jan 19 09:41:06 searching ITT shows a lot of info, but never any screenshots Jan 19 09:41:16 for various aps Jan 19 12:05:55 use my screen grabber :) Jan 19 12:11:24 heh, desktop snap grid customization Jan 19 12:11:41 * sp3000 is amused Jan 19 12:13:01 damn damn damn Jan 19 12:13:08 now my n810 is in a reboot loop Jan 19 12:13:46 wow Jan 19 12:13:47 sometimes I think the watchdog was not the smartest move on Nokia's part ... Jan 19 12:14:31 meh, you want a watch-giraffe instead? Jan 19 12:14:41 that'd be weird. Jan 19 12:14:44 can I get a zebra? Jan 19 12:14:51 The watchdog can be disabled by way of the no-retu-wd flag accessible from the flasher tool Jan 19 12:15:36 LoCusF: did you reflash the device with flasher 2.0? Jan 19 12:22:00 Hi, has anyone played with serial comms over bluetooth? Jan 19 12:22:28 pupnik: yeah, just did Jan 19 12:22:39 pupnik: now I got my fingers crossed that it boots up again Jan 19 12:23:52 you should use flasher 3.0 Jan 19 12:25:30 pupnik: well heck flasher-3.0 :) :) Jan 19 12:25:43 ./flasher-3.0-static -F RX-44_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R Jan 19 12:27:31 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/changes/50-2_vs_44-4_changes.html Jan 19 12:27:36 I did that and it worked fine so u should be ok Jan 19 12:27:50 gives a good sense of how much development nokia actively does for these things Jan 19 12:29:44 what's the problem with watchdog johnx? Jan 19 12:29:49 damn newer backup was corrupted Jan 19 12:30:45 pupnik, I ran into it after trying to mess around with gstreamer plugins. My N800 let me boot to the desktop but then immediately rebooted Jan 19 12:31:31 Luckily I had already switched to booting from SD, so it was a simple matter to remove the offending plugin and reboot Jan 19 12:32:26 In some cases I feel like watchdog's "overreaction" makes a situation worse Jan 19 12:33:12 ah what is purpose of watchdog? Jan 19 12:34:08 pupnik, as far as I understand: it watches several "important" programs and if they don't respond every 60 seconds to say they are running then watchdog reboots the system Jan 19 13:19:55 Hmm. Any known problems with internet use over bluetooth on OS2008? Jan 19 13:21:08 since the last OS2008 update, bluetooth has worked fine for everything else - I can connect to the phone to send and receive files etc. Jan 19 13:21:40 But when I try to connect to the internet via the phone, I get an instant "Internet connection failed" message - doesn't appear to be trying to connect at all! Jan 19 13:31:56 ccooke: I had that problem once Jan 19 13:32:06 ccooke: I needed to do a reflash to fix it :/ Jan 19 13:33:57 ah ha. Jan 19 13:34:03 Well, guess I can do that :-) Jan 19 13:35:58 Hi Jan 19 13:39:45 Hi! Jan 19 13:49:47 hi Jan 19 13:59:24 I packaged qt4 for maemo,and i created the .install file, but it doesn't work. I don't understand why! The file is in the qt4.maemo.garage.org. Jan 19 13:59:43 Has anyone any idea? Jan 19 14:00:08 Maybe your control file isn't right. Jan 19 14:00:40 Then again .. What does "it doesn't work" mean? Jan 19 14:01:15 My n810 tell me that the oackage is not valid. Jan 19 14:01:25 S/o/p Jan 19 14:01:43 if you try it from the command line what happens? Jan 19 14:01:50 Okay, in your control file what section have you put the library under? Jan 19 14:03:37 Hmmm ... Jan 19 14:03:47 The control file section is libs Jan 19 14:04:04 I wish libraries wouldn't show up in the application catalog Jan 19 14:04:26 GNUtoN810, that's not a valid "maemo"£ section Jan 19 14:05:37 Where i can see the list of valid maemo sections? Jan 19 14:05:42 Change it to 'user/libs' Jan 19 14:06:12 Ok. Jan 19 14:08:30 is there anything i can get to record cpu/process stats over a time period - ie whilst idle with screen, using a full screen app and then whilst locked. and then view them after? Jan 19 14:10:13 when i was waiting for my 810 to arrive i saw someone with a bootlogging kernel module that did pretty much what i am after but i cant for the life of me find out what it was Jan 19 14:10:50 fanoush on ITT forums might be a good search term for you lcuk_2 Jan 19 14:11:41 thanks pupnik but i think fanoush will result in 7gazzilion results ;) ill carry on searching and see what i can find Jan 19 14:13:32 lcuk_2, how about a script that calls 'top -n1 > log.txt' Jan 19 14:15:03 i was thinking about that, ill give it a go. ive been using the load-applet and it shows desktop running at 5-10% all the time, im not sure if thats because of the applet itself running or not. Jan 19 14:16:01 while true ; do top -n1 >> log.txt ; sleep 30 ; done Jan 19 14:16:48 thanks john, no point in running it too often else it will tie itself up Jan 19 14:17:01 very true Jan 19 14:17:42 i just want to know if my battery problem is because I am leaving fbreader running when i go to sleep Jan 19 14:18:00 actually, you might be better off just doing top -d60 -n0 instead of the while loop Jan 19 14:18:30 i just lock it and leave it.whats the d? Jan 19 14:18:39 delay I think :) Jan 19 14:18:55 fairenough Jan 19 14:19:41 yeah, delay in seconds Jan 19 14:19:50 more busybox manuals, if you're interested: http://www.busybox.net/downloads/BusyBox.html Jan 19 14:20:08 ... Okay, that worried me Jan 19 14:20:56 powerlaunch on the n810 appears to disable the lock and power button... Jan 19 14:21:36 Cool Jan 19 14:22:00 johnx, thanks - i didnt realise everything was in one exe. makes sense though Jan 19 14:39:00 am i right in thinking i cannot set a script in /media/mmc2 to root executable because its a users' partition? Jan 19 14:39:33 lcuk_2, no, you can't set a script in /media/mmc2 because it's a fat partition that doesn't have permissions. Jan 19 14:39:59 The fat filesystem doesn't have the ability to set ownership or permissions on files. Jan 19 14:40:01 i knew there was a reason for it just didnt know why Jan 19 14:40:14 * lcuk_2 will move it elsewhere Jan 19 14:40:17 :) Jan 19 14:40:24 Or format your drives to ext2 ;) Jan 19 14:40:58 that would be a pain unless there is an inplace shuffle Jan 19 14:41:25 and also - wouldnt that prevent me from reading them when i plug in usb on win*spit* Jan 19 14:42:20 not really, there is an ext2 driver for win Jan 19 14:43:09 yer but that depends upon adding it to every machine i could plug it into, ill just stick with simplest and move it Jan 19 14:51:28 johnx, thanks for input. i am logging now and will process later :) while true ; do date >> /media/mmc2/toplog.txt ; top -n1 >> /media/mmc2/toplog.txt ; sleep 5 ; done Jan 19 15:02:16 Seem i just trashed my n8xx with the recent rtcomm update (twice). It ended in a reboot loop and i had to flash it. Did the beta work for others? Jan 19 15:03:52 mikemx: nope Jan 19 15:10:38 Not a bad guide to bug reporting: http://www.fabianrodriguez.com/blog/archives/2008/01/18/the-bug-reporting-culture-10-things-to-avoid-10-things-you-must-do/ Jan 19 15:14:09 GeneralAntilles, speaking of bugs, the fbreader bug was fixed and updated :) Jan 19 15:14:33 .8.12? Jan 19 15:14:58 yer Jan 19 15:15:11 .8.11 looping pages thing is solved in .12 Jan 19 15:15:26 Those FBReader guys are great. Jan 19 15:16:16 yer, very responsive, and as a bonus i found out that even installing the old version from a .deb on my MMC managed to include it in the check for updates list :) Jan 19 15:16:24 i was under the impression it wasnt Jan 19 15:16:35 Huh, interesting. Jan 19 15:17:31 yer - i uninstalled it (it was originally installed from the repo) and installed manually from the deb, so was expecting to have to uninstall and grab from repo. it wasnt needed. Jan 19 15:18:02 either that, or the uninstall first time failed to clean out everything Jan 19 15:18:44 I'm wondering if the fact that FBReader uses zlibrary invalidates all those portrait mode arguments about maemo. Jan 19 15:19:08 lcuk_2, probably not. Jan 19 15:19:45 I installed GPE-Sudoku through a .deb and it was in the restoration list when I updated to OS2008 final. Jan 19 15:20:02 fair enough, it must match UIDs internally Jan 19 15:21:31 rendering rotated via the zlib is quite slow for full color. i wonder if a nice monochrome reader could be made super quick (with kinetic scrolling) on maemo Jan 19 15:21:47 It's the LCD controller. Jan 19 15:22:45 yer but its got enough bandwidth for 25fps video at 12bit planes, lower bitplanes = less data transfer = faster updates - as long as its palette based it will work Jan 19 15:23:34 True enough Jan 19 15:23:52 for normal books theres no point in sending over a full color image for every frame. it just would not work well for full color html type books Jan 19 15:25:23 ive just done some cpu logging on the device for when reading books and locking the device. i suspect its possibly leaving the book reader on fullscreen that is draining my battery Jan 19 15:25:49 ive logged with and without and am processing the results Jan 19 15:26:20 I minimize everything when I lock. Jan 19 15:27:13 ahh good poitn Jan 19 15:27:24 minimise needs me to click to make it normal, click to minimise then slide to lock. its more work than just slide to lock Jan 19 15:27:43 that'd be a nice option/ feature to auto-minimize all when locking Jan 19 15:27:44 especially when sleepy Jan 19 15:27:51 yer it would Jan 19 15:28:18 anyone up to making it a feature request on bugtracker? Jan 19 15:28:41 few stylus moves could do that Jan 19 15:28:46 not yet, i will prove to myself first that it is having a noticable battery effect by leaving things fullscreen Jan 19 15:29:25 or measuring idle time to do what some script does Jan 19 15:29:34 Sounds rather hard to implement, too. Jan 19 15:29:43 arent programs meant to sleep when osso tells them device is locked? Jan 19 15:30:03 maybe fbreader isnt listening for the events (because its cross platform) Jan 19 15:30:13 the system has it's own background jobs and nothing could be as the human sees it Jan 19 15:30:58 lol @ all the programs coming out and partying once the screen goes off Jan 19 15:31:13 "thank god hes gone, woooooo hoooooooo" Jan 19 15:40:22 Like a bunch of ungrateful teenagers drinking my booze and eating my food. Jan 19 15:41:17 and scaring the neighbours and throwing rocks at police cars and partying on the beach Jan 19 15:41:22 lcuk_2: long home press will minimize everything Jan 19 15:41:33 ty sp3000 Jan 19 15:41:49 did not know that! Jan 19 15:41:52 thanks sp3000 Jan 19 15:43:24 right, im gonna redo this log now including testing the minimised everything Jan 19 15:45:03 as long as i do it right ill let you lot know later what the results are :) Jan 19 16:30:11 hmmm Jan 19 16:30:20 anyone know if OS 2008 uses a tickless kernel? Jan 19 16:31:17 * jackster seems to remember something about tickless kernels supposedly decreasing power consumption Jan 19 16:32:43 hi all Jan 19 16:32:52 jackster, I want to say yes Jan 19 16:32:55 but I don't have a damn clue Jan 19 16:33:09 I'm just thinking about the power presentation that's on maemo.org Jan 19 16:33:35 http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/1184097560.html Jan 19 16:33:51 GeneralAntilles: It's just I remember this tickless kernel idea being one of the big new features in ubuntu 7.10 and figured it would be something useful for an internet tablet Jan 19 16:34:57 That slideshow may reveal more. Jan 19 16:35:14 cool thanks Jan 19 16:37:09 it seems that it supports 'Dynamic Tick' but according to that presentation they want to move to a Tickless kernel in the future Jan 19 16:37:11 interesting Jan 19 16:37:52 jackster, r u sure every cpu could do that? Jan 19 16:38:16 That's a pre-OS2008 presentation Jan 19 16:38:23 So that may be true now. Jan 19 16:38:31 hmm could be Jan 19 16:38:42 A lot of that power stuff is related to the CPU scaling we have with OS2008 now. Jan 19 16:38:57 zoran: that's a good question, but the presentation seemed to suggest they thought it was possible Jan 19 16:38:59 the power saving of tickless is really minimal, at least on x86 Jan 19 16:39:20 jackster, I recall that for new ibm chip, or whatever it is Jan 19 16:40:16 I suppose it partly depends on how much of the energy usage of the device is by the CPU Jan 19 16:40:33 if you ask me, the power to maintain the whole system is consuming more than cpu Jan 19 16:40:49 yeah Jan 19 16:41:00 still, every little helps Jan 19 16:41:15 on bsd I recall an option to exclude power to devices not included in kernel Jan 19 16:41:43 anyone using latest RTCOMM OS2008 beta? Jan 19 16:41:52 so, cause I have no usb as default, no power to usb ports Jan 19 16:43:02 maddler, yes Jan 19 16:43:06 I've not noticed any difference. Jan 19 16:43:16 jackster, the real power hog is the backlight Jan 19 16:43:23 It's something like 50% of total power usage. Jan 19 16:44:02 so, anticipating the screen output would save the power Jan 19 16:44:33 GeneralAntilles: beside installing last update killed my device... :) Jan 19 16:44:47 The one from two days ago? Jan 19 16:45:23 I suppose it depends on what the user uses their device for most, whether they have it in their pocket listening to music throguh earphones with the screen off or with the screen on watching movies all the time as to what will be the biggest power hog Jan 19 16:46:44 hm, the usage is the goal, power saving if possible, I think Jan 19 16:47:29 is there any difference if the device is powered down when not used? Jan 19 16:49:13 zoran, do you mean, does it use less power when it's off? Jan 19 16:49:50 GeneralAntilles: right Jan 19 16:49:55 GA, :) Jan 19 16:50:12 Installed fine over here, maddler. Jan 19 16:50:17 I assume that power on/off takes some power more than at idle Jan 19 16:50:39 Depends on how long it's at idle. Jan 19 16:50:44 I take it down, when I'm not using it, must to confess Jan 19 16:50:54 maddler: killed in what way? Jan 19 16:51:01 why should it live it's own life? Jan 19 16:51:09 Pfft Jan 19 16:51:21 it's not a server as I see it Jan 19 16:51:24 Power cycling them all the time is definitely not the way they were designed to be used. Jan 19 16:51:35 cheap consumer electronics Jan 19 16:51:37 ARM is incredibly efficient at idling. Jan 19 16:51:59 770, btw Jan 19 16:52:07 Still Jan 19 16:52:13 I liek it Jan 19 16:52:30 The 770's powersaving isn't as awesome as the N800's. Jan 19 16:52:34 and cannot say a good reason to buy another one Jan 19 16:53:03 I mostly use it as I use desktop Jan 19 16:53:17 to ssh and handle mail Jan 19 16:53:36 btw, gregale has no openssl front end Jan 19 16:53:43 just libssl Jan 19 16:54:09 the only thing that makes me thinking about 2007he Jan 19 16:54:47 michele__: it will boot... and right after hands are shown, white screen and then reboot Jan 19 16:54:59 maddler: ok, same symptoms here Jan 19 16:55:03 even on a fresh install Jan 19 16:55:17 :| Jan 19 16:55:28 maddler. looks like the shell is not found Jan 19 16:55:44 or the root fs Jan 19 16:55:53 maddler: now I reflashed it, haven't installed rtcomm beta and it seems to work fine Jan 19 16:56:23 at first I tought my new SD card was failing Jan 19 16:56:31 Not even the crazy number of applications HE gives you? Jan 19 16:56:36 but I've been using it all the morning Jan 19 16:56:37 Or the speedup? :P Jan 19 16:56:43 GA, like what? Jan 19 16:57:01 I like mutt, links, irssi... Jan 19 16:57:06 and have them all Jan 19 16:57:33 hm, speed up? Jan 19 16:57:40 the kernel should be the same Jan 19 17:02:20 michele__: I have tried installing on a fresh install and it keeps rebooting... :( Jan 19 17:02:42 maddler, what if you remove the memory card? Jan 19 17:03:12 the memory card? Jan 19 17:03:20 yep Jan 19 17:03:31 mmc or whatever Jan 19 17:03:47 yup... just can't see the reason :) Jan 19 17:03:52 trying anyway... :D Jan 19 17:03:58 before a new reflash :) Jan 19 17:04:04 maybe you tweaked something to load from it\ Jan 19 17:04:12 no :) Jan 19 17:04:21 I only installed RFCOMM on a fresh install Jan 19 17:04:22 in fact, it worked fine until I inserted the card Jan 19 17:04:29 battery full? Jan 19 17:04:52 yes... Jan 19 17:04:59 btw... it rebooted anyway... Jan 19 17:04:59 home button pressed? Jan 19 17:05:14 zoran: tried already :) Jan 19 17:05:18 k Jan 19 17:05:25 n810? Jan 19 17:05:29 zoran: right Jan 19 17:05:42 maybe the device has some damage Jan 19 17:05:48 me too Jan 19 17:06:07 what if you reflash older version? Jan 19 17:06:22 the vanilla one Jan 19 17:06:57 zoran: I don't really need RTCOMM beta... I can go back using pidgin after all... Jan 19 17:07:40 make it work anyhow Jan 19 17:08:28 * alterego likes rtcomm beta .. Jan 19 17:08:43 * zoran likes blondes Jan 19 17:09:01 Yeah, it works fine for me. Jan 19 17:09:07 blondes? Jan 19 17:09:15 Pidgin is bloaty and stupid on the tablets. Jan 19 17:09:23 Eats up valuable taskbar space. Jan 19 17:09:36 im or irc? Jan 19 17:09:48 Well, IM. Jan 19 17:09:51 I use xchat for IRC. Jan 19 17:10:00 Since both Pidgin and rtcomm are woefully underfeatured for IRC. Jan 19 17:10:02 irssi is low profile Jan 19 17:10:19 Eh, xchat works better on the tablet for me. Jan 19 17:10:20 centericq is also low profile Jan 19 17:13:12 I'd prefer using rtcomm instead of pidgin... but as of now I have no choice :) Jan 19 17:14:51 It'll be nice when it comes out of beta and Pidgin can go away entirely. Jan 19 17:15:13 I bet there will be people that still want pidgin Jan 19 17:15:22 Obviously Jan 19 17:15:34 but not having people recommend it to new users will make me happy. Jan 19 17:15:48 yes me too Jan 19 17:15:54 i finally tried it and hated it for irc Jan 19 17:16:03 the ui is totally derived from the internal class structure Jan 19 17:16:21 which makes it logical for the programmer but useless for the IRC-wanting-to-use-user Jan 19 17:17:09 for me, it's not logical that IRC is IM either :) Jan 19 17:17:39 teh same target group Jan 19 17:17:51 Be neat if rtcomm actually gets their IRC support up to a dedicated-IRC-client–like level. Jan 19 17:17:57 swuiss army knife Jan 19 17:18:29 GeneralAntilles: true Jan 19 17:18:37 Well, it's hard to do that. As they're trying to abstract common chat functions for each protocol. Jan 19 17:19:30 Yeah, I very much doubt it will happen Jan 19 17:19:33 It would just be nice. Jan 19 17:19:39 xchat works really well, so I'm happy. Jan 19 17:19:52 I've not really used xchat on the device. Jan 19 17:20:00 ok, call me dumb but I can't find it... where is xchat for os2008? Jan 19 17:20:03 I found configuring it was a pain as the dialogs weren't completely sorted. Jan 19 17:20:08 btw... going to reflash for the third time today... :) Jan 19 17:20:12 Heh Jan 19 17:20:28 maddler, checked md5? Jan 19 17:20:44 http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ Jan 19 17:20:50 thanks Jan 19 17:21:03 That needs to go into Extras Jan 19 17:21:12 I'm tired of pulling the link out of my ass for all comers. :P Jan 19 17:21:34 GeneralAntilles: especially since it's impossible to find on google... Jan 19 17:21:43 skyhusker chinook xchat Jan 19 17:22:00 maemo xchat gives no clue Jan 19 17:22:02 still a few text-input problems with the beta Jan 19 17:22:13 I'm tempted to put it in the topic. Jan 19 17:22:15 and nobody will ever search for "skyhusker" :) Jan 19 17:22:16 also copy/paste Jan 19 17:22:30 pupnik, those problems are OS-related. Jan 19 17:22:45 They're just mildly more pronounced in xchat than anywhere else. Jan 19 17:22:57 tap'n'hold seems to work fine for copy/paste. Jan 19 17:23:07 hmm Jan 19 17:23:17 and how about pasting text into the text input field Jan 19 17:23:28 ctrl+v? Jan 19 17:23:46 for e.g. pasting text from browser into xchat Jan 19 17:25:38 vkb Jan 19 17:26:05 what's that Jan 19 17:26:20 Virtual keyboard Jan 19 17:26:55 gen, cant you add a rule to the chatbot so whenever anyone asks about xchat it will churp up and let them know Jan 19 17:27:08 hang on, we already have that in you :P Jan 19 17:27:14 cntrl-c/v also works Jan 19 17:27:45 That was _Monkey, lcuk_2. Jan 19 17:27:57 But milhouse killed him instead of fixing him. :( Jan 19 17:28:09 there is no paste Jan 19 17:28:17 Is too. Jan 19 17:28:23 how Jan 19 17:28:39 hmm Jan 19 17:28:40 Either the vkb or ctrl-v Jan 19 17:28:48 [ctrl] + V on 810 keyboard Jan 19 17:28:49 That was _Monkey, lcuk_2. Jan 19 17:29:05 [12:26pm] gen, cant you add a rule to the chatbot so whenever anyone asks about xchat it will churp up and let them know Jan 19 17:29:22 * lcuk_2 rolls eyes at timezones Jan 19 17:29:37 I am win. Jan 19 17:29:40 killall: mplayer: no process killed Jan 19 17:29:52 ok ty gen Jan 19 17:30:45 Timezones are just a lie made up by The Man to keep the little guy down. Jan 19 17:30:53 no lcuk_2 that is too annoying Jan 19 17:31:01 chatbots should only respond to keyed requests Jan 19 17:31:09 !xchat? or ~xchat? or whatever Jan 19 17:31:38 Yes Jan 19 17:31:45 Which is how _Monkey should've been fixed. Jan 19 17:31:49 Triggers Jan 19 17:32:42 trigger: "i can has xchat?" Jan 19 17:38:09 hmmf. the n800 seems to work better, wirelesswise, than the n810. I have severe packetloss to/from n810 now. Jan 19 17:58:21 is it possible to use proxy with microb? Jan 19 17:58:43 http proxy Jan 19 18:06:33 Xxaxx: at least if you set it by hand, via about:config Jan 19 18:07:08 Xxaxx: but it'd be very surprising if there was no proxy -option in some settings somewhere. either app settings or control panel Jan 19 18:08:49 xxaxx - on os2008 in your actual connection settings (wlan at least) you can specify a proxy for the entire connection Jan 19 18:09:35 if you edit the connection and walk through the wizard settings dialog on the last page there is an advanced button. in there is the proxy settings Jan 19 18:09:39 done it via about:config Jan 19 18:09:46 fairymuff Jan 19 18:09:54 thanks everyone Jan 19 18:10:00 s/fairy/furry/ Jan 19 18:10:01 lcuk_2 meant: furrymuff Jan 19 18:32:43 "arbitrary hardware upscaling is available through XV extension API on N800 (which is used by SDL for YUV format surfaces)" -Serge .... wtf... i need docs/examples on that Jan 19 18:37:34 doesn't mplayer use xv Jan 19 18:37:58 i'll have to look at this Jan 19 18:38:02 its certainly indicated in the long thread discussion thing, though i have not read the source so dont know Jan 19 18:38:05 still can't unpack the chinook vmware sdk Jan 19 18:38:07 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine?do=post_view;post=19711;list=maemo Jan 19 18:38:26 whats wrong with it? Jan 19 18:38:44 looks like i need more than 5.3GB Jan 19 18:38:57 do you have the .vmdk? how big is it? Jan 19 18:39:40 5.31 GB (5,705,170,944 bytes) Jan 19 18:39:50 ty verymuch Jan 19 18:39:51 though it gets modified by use (i think) Jan 19 18:40:40 have you got both 7z parts Jan 19 18:40:54 yes i had just a bit too little space Jan 19 18:41:08 ahhh Jan 19 18:41:54 thanks as well... i just checked and ive got 1gb free on my media drive Jan 19 18:42:00 * lcuk_2 does some spring cleaning Jan 19 18:42:25 * pupnik has been cleaning for 4 hours :/ Jan 19 18:42:47 once i have been running the vmware image i cannot restore it to original state without re-extracting it can i Jan 19 18:43:09 you can take snapshots and use vmware to make diffs Jan 19 18:43:15 i normally just go and find all the zips and raas and cull them Jan 19 18:43:26 so then vmware loads an original, then apples the diff to the filesystem Jan 19 18:43:27 nahhh, simpler to just wipe and re-extract Jan 19 18:43:48 how much free space does the vmdk have? Jan 19 18:44:06 dunno, but would expect it to expand if needbe Jan 19 18:44:09 i.e. will i need to grow the filesystem a lot? Jan 19 18:44:13 ah well sh... Jan 19 18:44:41 cull doctor who or futurama? Jan 19 18:45:29 hehehe Jan 19 18:49:49 thats better, 20g free :) Jan 19 18:50:21 i find that these small files on a big filesystem really waste space Jan 19 18:50:28 19GB in 9minutes Jan 19 18:50:44 so tarring those rarely used directories of tinyfiles really saves space Jan 19 18:50:46 nice Jan 19 18:50:54 i wrote a (windows) program which dives into the folders and sorts by size and lets me cull what i need Jan 19 18:51:38 * GeneralAntilles needs more hard drives. Jan 19 18:51:44 not surprisingly the first time i ran it, i had stuff like docs/old/older/old2/old/oldhol/debiansarge.dvd.iso Jan 19 18:51:45 Space is such a fleeting thing. Jan 19 18:52:02 any preferences on 500-750GB drives? Jan 19 18:52:12 yer, lots of them ;) Jan 19 18:52:13 500gb seems to be the sweet spot right now. Jan 19 18:52:27 The next question is if drive-slots are a limiting factor. ;) Jan 19 18:52:50 ive not bothered to get anything bigger than the latest 250g media drive Jan 19 18:53:07 * lcuk_2 ran out of ide slots Jan 19 18:53:32 I just dumped two drives into an external Firewire 800 enclosure. Jan 19 18:53:44 I need to pick up another 2 500GB-ers whenever I get some money to throw around. Jan 19 18:54:07 * lcuk_2 gets a net and waits near GeneralAntilles Jan 19 18:54:22 * GeneralAntilles uses a credit card instead. Jan 19 18:54:37 you cant catch much money with a credit card, its too small Jan 19 18:54:52 unless its one of those comical huge ones Jan 19 18:56:31 i would like to get the word that match a click on a textview. Jan 19 18:56:35 I can get the textbuffer line, the text from this line up to the tapping point. Jan 19 18:56:40 but i do not know how to get the whole line...So i do not know how to detect wich word has been tapped. Jan 19 18:56:45 any idea ? Jan 19 18:57:00 which language? Jan 19 18:57:06 python. Jan 19 18:57:33 i do not find such a method in gtk. Jan 19 18:58:15 * melmoth have been browsing http://www.pygtk.org/pygtk2reference/class-gtktextbuffer.html for a while now. Jan 19 19:00:28 cant you just look at the selection text? Jan 19 19:01:52 gtk.TextBuffer.get_selection_bounds Jan 19 19:01:55 the selected text may be another. Jan 19 19:02:05 anyone have info on connecting a serial console to an N800? I believe there are solder pads in place, but I'm not sure which is which as far as Tx, Rx and Gnd. Jan 19 19:02:30 It s not an editor, so say line 5 could be selected (a full line is always selected); but the tapping may happen on line 6. Jan 19 19:02:50 and this will not change the selection whatsohever (and i would like to keep it this way) Jan 19 19:05:11 dunno then, but are you manaually changing the selection to enforce whole line selection (or is this a standard mode) Jan 19 19:06:18 i set the selection myself. Jan 19 19:06:25 say, is the ogs library mentioned in the maemo tutorial (libogs/ogs.h) available somewhere? Jan 19 19:07:32 then if you are manually setting the selection cant you read and remember the current selection (which will come from the user tap) before enforcing your whole line Jan 19 19:09:49 * lcuk_2 has been told he has to go shopping... Jan 19 19:09:55 * lcuk_2 is under the thumb Jan 19 19:09:59 cyas later Jan 19 19:10:14 hmm, using mark_set may be an idea :) thanks. Jan 19 19:11:51 Hmm. Still being a stupid new user: How do I enable the red pill mode? I found the tutorials, but they talk about an "Applications Catalogue" app that I don't see. Application manager, yes, but that doesn't offer a "New" button Jan 19 19:12:26 Blafasel: i do not recommend red pill mode Jan 19 19:12:33 Blafasel: what do you want to do? Jan 19 19:12:41 pupnik: So how do you install other packages? apt? Jan 19 19:12:53 I can drop to the shell, but why? Jan 19 19:13:03 The easiest way is to go to a website and click on the .install file (green arrow) Jan 19 19:13:08 this will add the required repository Jan 19 19:13:30 but be careful to not add duplicate repositories (duplicates are currently a problem) Jan 19 19:13:42 Any idea where I get wifi tools (aircrack et all) or openssh? Jan 19 19:14:05 poitn your browser to http://www.gronmayer.com/it and you will find em Jan 19 19:14:56 openssh is in the maemo extras repository iirc Jan 19 19:16:33 Thank you Jan 19 19:18:38 blah, 3.4 GB of optimized 770 videos and then ssvb makes mplayer more powerful Jan 19 19:22:33 http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org pupnik. ;) Jan 19 19:58:17 hi Jan 19 20:33:07 does maemo mapper work with n810 internal gps? Jan 19 20:33:41 Yes. Jan 19 20:34:10 uhm.... I cannot make it work... Jan 19 20:34:58 Use bluetooth with no MAC Jan 19 20:37:17 to become root on n810 gainroot as usual? Jan 19 20:37:35 what can the n8x0's webcam be used for? Jan 19 20:37:37 ok, I try Jan 19 20:38:35 can it be used with msn or skype or something like that? Jan 19 20:39:01 I heard it can only be used to talk with other n800 Jan 19 20:39:04 Not currently, Xamusk. Jan 19 20:39:09 and through Gizmo Jan 19 20:39:15 oh Jan 19 20:39:20 only those two? Jan 19 20:39:24 gizmo and gtalk Jan 19 20:39:55 Skype will be along soon enough Jan 19 20:40:02 skype says we have not enough processing power for that.... Jan 19 20:41:21 o_O Jan 19 20:41:31 skype took years to support webcam in linux Jan 19 20:41:45 and it's still beta now Jan 19 20:41:53 what's the best way to debug the "incompatible application package" error from the app manager, when dpkg -i works just fine? Jan 19 20:43:16 can we at least take photos with the webcam? Jan 19 20:44:24 ywwg, dpkg -f Section Jan 19 20:45:06 ywwg, if that gives you something not starting with user/ then you should change deibian/control and define one that has user/ prefix Jan 19 20:45:27 inz: that must be it, I have it set to "unknown" Jan 19 20:47:08 Yes, Xamusk. Jan 19 20:47:38 * lcuk_2 looks like he is in a dark snowstorm in all his 810 webcam pics Jan 19 20:48:28 usually pda pics are very low quality Jan 19 20:48:46 Yes, they are. Jan 19 20:49:00 You should get some sunlight sometime, lcuk_2. :P Jan 19 20:49:01 oh no, its perfect quality. i still havent found anything to get rid of this dandruff Jan 19 20:50:12 the pics are on par with the sensor i had on my old webcam Jan 19 20:50:55 has anyone tried generic webcam in usb hostOTG mode? Jan 19 20:52:15 Xamusk, the webcam is kinda a write-off Jan 19 20:52:21 I wouldn't put much thought into it. Jan 19 20:53:59 that's why I have a separate digital camera... embedded cameras in anything that's not primarily a camera is usually bad Jan 19 20:54:12 Digitals are stupid cheap these days Jan 19 20:54:26 You can get a kickass Canon medium-body for $150 Jan 19 20:55:01 tbh though, its not a seperate cam ppl want - they see it has a web cam and they see the device supports skype. i know i put 2+2 together and expected skype video Jan 19 20:55:46 * lcuk_2 thinks the 8x0 is a collision of minds. some of the best things are coupled with some cheap stocking fillers which give a varied performance. Jan 19 20:56:19 some days i find it awesome and i still look at it and think "wow". other times i think "how could nokia be so stupid" Jan 19 20:56:36 Ehehe, the wonders of large corporate bodies. Jan 19 20:57:23 maybe the problem is the os Jan 19 20:57:38 yer its hte same with any large corp, but then again thats what riles me about nokia - i got this device because it was under the n series which are really nice rounded devices. this is just less thought out. Jan 19 20:57:43 unfortunately, linux is very crude sometimes Jan 19 20:58:05 Good news is that you're more than welcome to jump in and improve things! Jan 19 20:58:05 nahhh, linux rocks. its constantly surprising me and im loving actually getting my hands into it Jan 19 20:58:14 the n series phones are symbian based, as far as I know Jan 19 20:59:02 what is really driving me to nokia is that the newer devices support python :D Jan 19 20:59:22 Be interesting to see maemo move into the smartphone space Jan 19 20:59:23 my nits about the 810 aren't software though (apart from powervr), its things like the camera or the positioning of the keys Jan 19 20:59:55 i know software can be tailored, i cant just hardhack myself a tab key Jan 19 21:01:01 what I found interesting is that the OS itself is being updated and the N800 already can have the OS2008 Jan 19 21:01:12 i could however get a cradle around the 810 which gives joypad keys oin both sides... Jan 19 21:01:37 Xamusk, an N810 is just an N800 with GPS and a keyboard. Jan 19 21:01:54 indeed Jan 19 21:02:05 but the keyboard really was a good idea Jan 19 21:02:19 GeneralAntilles: with one memory space less and a higher price Jan 19 21:02:20 i thought the memory on 800 and 810 were slightly different and no amount of OS changes can adjust that (which is why an 810 will actually out perform an 800) Jan 19 21:02:25 Right. Jan 19 21:02:49 but then, n810 doesn't have a normal sd slot Jan 19 21:03:01 which was not a good idea for a pda Jan 19 21:03:03 Have anyone found the N810 usefull? Jan 19 21:03:08 No, lcuk_2. Jan 19 21:03:13 its not got *2* normal slots... Jan 19 21:03:15 micro-sd is good for cell phones, not for pdas Jan 19 21:03:17 Just the soldered-on SD card. :P Jan 19 21:03:20 its got one abnormal one Jan 19 21:03:32 minisd Jan 19 21:03:40 I'd say the N810 is better for mobile blogging Jan 19 21:03:46 with the keyboard and transflective Jan 19 21:03:47 hugolp, some people love the N810 Jan 19 21:04:02 isn't the N800 trasflective? Jan 19 21:04:09 Xamusk: Im genuily asking Jan 19 21:04:33 No, Xamusk. Jan 19 21:04:49 I mean, my opinion is that it wont, but have never tried so I cant really say, but Im interested on hearing opinions about the keyboard cause Im curious wheter its usefull or not Jan 19 21:04:49 hugolp, I mean, two days ago there was someone here that said the 810 was a huge leap from 800 Jan 19 21:05:04 They're nuts. ;) Jan 19 21:05:14 hugolp, the keyboard and size are probably the two biggest selling points. Jan 19 21:05:15 GeneralAntilles, does it make much difference for e-book reading? Jan 19 21:05:20 Xamusk: he probably owned a N810 and not a N800 XD Jan 19 21:05:23 Some people just can't handle touchscreen keyboards. Jan 19 21:05:30 hugolp, he said he owned both Jan 19 21:05:32 No, Xamusk. Jan 19 21:05:38 Only in full sunlight. ;) Jan 19 21:05:43 1 minor question: if the 800 supports both os2007 and os2008, why (since the devices are the same) can i not put os2007 on an 810? Jan 19 21:05:45 or can i? Jan 19 21:05:46 damn Jan 19 21:06:21 anyway, I won't have my N8x0 until I find some way to ship one to here Jan 19 21:06:25 lcuk_2: maybe the OS2007 is lacking some drivers needed for the N810 (Im just guessing) Jan 19 21:06:58 anyway why would you want OS2007? OS2008 is a big improvement Jan 19 21:07:12 still more software for 2007 isnt there Jan 19 21:07:25 it was just hypothetical Jan 19 21:07:31 You can, lcuk_2. Jan 19 21:07:46 lcuk_2: its all coming to OS2008, the software I mean Jan 19 21:07:53 You'd have to explode the FIASCO image and flash each part individually. Jan 19 21:07:59 lol hug, i know that Jan 19 21:08:15 GeneralAntilles, is that just hardware code identifiers stopping it then Jan 19 21:08:24 lubyou: XD I mean that is coming quick Jan 19 21:08:47 Hehe Jan 19 21:08:51 lcuk_2: the word selection worked :) thanks for the tip. Jan 19 21:08:52 basically, yeah, lcuk_2. Jan 19 21:09:03 high five Jan 19 21:09:18 its only coming as long as the devs can compile it up. Jan 19 21:09:27 melmoth, thats good to hear :) Jan 19 21:10:51 in fact, i was only coloring a line, not selecting it..and i always put the insert mark and the end of selection mark at the same place,so there was never a selection. Jan 19 21:11:09 that comment i just made about a wrapper around the 810 (so it gains controls around the screen) would be a great project to try Jan 19 21:11:17 This was because i try to make a touch scrolling stuff, that did not work well when there was text selection on top of that. Jan 19 21:12:06 it s still not perfect...i wonder if somebody knows of a gtk project (preferabilly in python) with a textview and a scroll 'on touch' feature. Jan 19 21:12:07 mel, kinetic scrolling directly in gtk cant be too quick is it? Jan 19 21:12:19 its a bit slow, indeed. Jan 19 21:12:35 I m not happy at all with the result, but i do not know how to improve the speed. Jan 19 21:12:39 start here: dunno about any of them: http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=kinetic+scrolling+gtk+widget&btnG=Google+Search&meta= Jan 19 21:12:52 cheers Jan 19 21:13:00 i remember looking though Jan 19 21:13:18 Take a look at mauku, maybe? Jan 19 21:14:13 Ohh, yeah, i did forgot about the tony maro stuff, i though it was based on pygame.but no it s gtk. Jan 19 21:14:35 :) i just noticed that and there is source Jan 19 21:14:44 maybe a good place to start and learn from Jan 19 21:15:06 * lcuk_2 loves linux for this power. standing on the shoulders of your peers to reach for the stars Jan 19 21:15:53 s/linux/open source/ Jan 19 21:16:05 hmm Jan 19 21:16:19 is the bot missing or is it not transfering Jan 19 21:16:33 Do it right. Jan 19 21:16:39 s/right/correctly/ Jan 19 21:16:39 GeneralAntilles meant: Do it correctly. Jan 19 21:16:59 loli did it the same Jan 19 21:17:23 s/loli/lol i/ Jan 19 21:17:23 lcuk_2 meant: lol i did it the same Jan 19 21:17:39 i think it was because i actioned myself Jan 19 21:17:54 Yes, that would be correct. Jan 19 21:19:52 is it bad form to post links which make you spit coke onto keyboard? Jan 19 21:20:13 Sweet tea in this case, but shoot. Jan 19 21:20:23 http://www.break.com/index/belly-dancer-hilarious-accident.html Jan 19 21:21:34 and on that note i will vanish. beer and movies await Jan 19 21:21:40 Ouch Jan 19 21:21:50 Why do people have cameras on when they're doing shit like that? Jan 19 21:23:09 whats the point of showing off your ass/tits if the camera is not on? Jan 19 21:24:02 For the more dedicated voyeurs. :P Jan 19 21:58:01 Hi all. i love the n810. It does so much, I am using it on this list now. Jan 19 22:07:26 just played some quake2 on n810. Amazingly fast. Great job pipeline and zerionseven Jan 19 22:07:39 Yeah, it's fairly badass. Jan 19 22:08:30 excellent implementation of the stylus look also Jan 19 22:08:33 compared to early versions Jan 19 22:08:52 Definitely. Perfect example of how it should be done. Jan 19 22:09:19 all the button controls are pretty sad though Jan 19 22:09:43 the mapping is fine, but the hardware... Jan 19 22:10:07 Better on N800 Jan 19 22:14:14 the more i consider this stuff the more i think that a gaming device simply has to be a seperate device from an IT device Jan 19 22:14:58 i want to make a cradle with outside edge buttons and 810 sat in the middle Jan 19 22:15:09 yeah i had that idea too! :) Jan 19 22:15:30 you can get a bluetooth game controller and dismantle it and build your own enclosure Jan 19 22:15:39 where did you get q2 from - the only one i found was quake1 Jan 19 22:16:15 i would fit it using usb. make it plug through usb and power so you can keep it on and charge both at same time Jan 19 22:17:02 no need for wireless when theres a plug in the right place. the power drain of a tiny device could easily be kept under the 100ma Jan 19 22:17:17 http://wardenclyffetower.com/MaemoFiles/quetoo-repack/quetoo-r2r-0.5.0-6zs.chinook.deb Quake 2 OS2008 ready-to-run - takes up a bunch of space (i had about 60 MB free) Jan 19 22:18:17 it would be cool if the n8x0 had some sort of serial port Jan 19 22:18:56 so it would be easier to make custom hardware for them Jan 19 22:19:00 yer, some kind of universal serial port Jan 19 22:19:22 or is it a bus? Jan 19 22:19:25 or a bus :) Jan 19 22:19:54 ;) Jan 19 22:20:19 well you can buy the bluetooth gamepad for PDAs for about 20 euro here Jan 19 22:20:42 yer - you can also buy bluetooth Wii Motes as well... Jan 19 22:21:23 * lcuk_2 looks at 810, looks over at wiimote, hunts for the ducttape and lets his mind wander... Jan 19 22:22:37 lcuk_2, furry case.. Jan 19 22:22:44 arghhhhhhhhhhhhhh Jan 19 22:22:46 no Jan 19 22:22:54 I know. you had already forgotten about it. Jan 19 22:23:05 yer, and you know what else i had forgotten about Jan 19 22:23:15 I know, but I'm saving those for later use. Jan 19 22:23:21 im gonna get in trouble with my missus. i told her tonight was her night. im gonna go and i want none of you giving me stupid shed engineer ideas for at least 12 hours ;) Jan 19 22:23:35 i only came upstairs to grab a lighter Jan 19 22:23:39 heh. ok ok :-) Jan 19 22:23:41 have fun :-) Jan 19 22:23:41 back later Jan 19 22:29:10 It has a serial port. Jan 19 22:38:00 so I know how to open a web page with "rpc_handler.rpc_run_with_defaults('osso_browser', 'open_new_window', (uri,))", but what's the equivalent for the media player? I'm not sure what function to call Jan 19 22:38:07 is there a git version control system available on maemo? Jan 19 22:39:29 ywwg: dbus-send --dest=com.nokia.mediaplayer /com/nokia/mediaplayer com.nokia.mediaplayer.mime_open string:file:///home/user/MyDocs/... Jan 19 22:39:38 that probably contains enough hints? Jan 19 22:40:03 sp3000: hm probably. I think I tried mime_open but I'll try it again Jan 19 23:01:41 aw ya. vfat also don't like >4GB files Jan 19 23:06:16 pupnik: yep.. and 640kb should have been enoguh for anybody :) heh Jan 19 23:08:48 now trying extraction to ext2 Jan 19 23:10:57 pupnik: should work Jan 19 23:11:30 pupnik: depending on the block size the smallest limitation is aroud 16 GB Jan 19 23:14:23 do a lot of you guys boot from sd instead of internal flash? Jan 19 23:14:42 No Jan 19 23:14:47 i do boot from sd only Jan 19 23:14:50 Better to have it as a fall-back. Jan 19 23:24:10 time to go .... Jan 19 23:24:15 see ya later guyz Jan 19 23:34:22 whats up guys Jan 19 23:34:35 dunno Jan 19 23:34:45 so am i a fool for trying vmplayer with this"? Jan 19 23:35:29 Well, I got the os2008 development environment up Jan 19 23:35:35 And have no idea what to do now Jan 19 23:36:22 Develop! Jan 19 23:37:09 jeff1f: apt-get source Jan 19 23:37:26 cd && dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot Jan 19 23:37:36 I have no idea how to program anything :) Jan 19 23:37:39 oh -b Jan 19 23:39:09 jeff1f: http://docs.python.org/tut/ :-) Jan 19 23:39:23 Has anyone worked out how to get pygame working at 400x240 yet? Jan 19 23:40:04 Thanks! Jan 19 23:51:13 man, switching to a new dev environment is soo uncumfortable Jan 19 23:52:55 tell me about it <- just got a macbook Jan 20 00:43:39 thanks to the idnt guys for making the vmware image. saves a lot of putzing Jan 20 00:47:57 does anyone know what the new rtcomm update is about? Jan 20 00:48:03 for OS2008 of course Jan 20 00:51:41 no idea Jan 20 00:51:52 hrm what's root pw on the chinook vmware Jan 20 00:52:45 no idea xD Jan 20 00:52:59 tried rootme ? Jan 20 00:55:12 pupnik: maemo iirc Jan 20 00:57:02 maemo, rootme are no-go Jan 20 00:57:51 wow Jan 20 00:58:03 rtcomm update fucked my n800 up Jan 20 00:58:07 reboot loop Jan 20 00:58:14 thanks very much >.< Jan 20 00:58:39 who the fuck releases stuff like thaaaaaaaaat Jan 20 00:59:36 thanks for the warning Jan 20 01:00:00 worked fine here but hence the beta i guess Jan 20 01:00:52 I am talking about the one that came out last night Jan 20 01:01:44 it was pushed out as an update of the first beta (i.e. the app manager offers to install it for you) Jan 20 01:01:49 ho well Jan 20 01:01:53 *oh Jan 20 01:11:35 damn, i almost installed that a few mins ago Jan 20 01:14:24 in hildon banner, when it talks about "the name of the icon" is that a gtk icon-theme icon name? Jan 20 01:14:41 is it possible we someday can get a hack to have mplayer play .flv in browser? Jan 20 01:15:45 these sites always like to hide the actual stream from me with their javascript evil Jan 20 01:17:24 http://www.bmovies.com/ has some fun stuff Jan 20 01:40:09 would porting an app I wrote for openmoko to maemo be very hard? (gtk voip app) Jan 20 01:42:42 there is a gtk voip app on maemo, it's the built-in one :) Jan 20 01:43:20 what does your openmoko voip app do? Jan 20 01:43:49 http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/Maemo_tutorial_bora.html bkruse_home Jan 20 01:44:29 Robot101: iax Jan 20 01:44:37 pupnik: perfect, bookmarked, ty Jan 20 01:44:53 Robot101: heard of iax? asterisk? :] Jan 20 01:45:13 there's also a porting howto that focuses on the changes needed to go from gtk->hildon Jan 20 01:45:20 bkruse_home: sure. would you be interested in hacking on a telepathy backend for iax? that'd get IAX support on maemo built-in to their UI, and then a telepathy UI on moko could do IAX, SIP, XMPP Jingle, or even GSM Jan 20 01:45:33 also 'bora' is the codename for OS2007 and 'chinook' is the codename for OS2008 Jan 20 01:45:43 bkruse_home: telepathy.freedesktop.org Jan 20 01:51:49 Robot101: Yes, I actually work for digium, which is the company backening asterisk, but I am doing this on my free time Jan 20 01:51:55 Robot101: I would be very interested. Jan 20 01:52:29 bkruse_home: ahh, cool Jan 20 01:52:32 my neo is arriving in the next couple of days from sean from FIC and I will start hacking on the OM one, which I will then port to other things Jan 20 01:53:15 My idea for the moko platform is to integrate as a third part app, like all others, then integrate just solely into the dialer, so that you can chose "gsm gateway" or "iax client" Jan 20 01:53:42 does that make sense? integration into the dialer, instead of using your gsm gateway/provider (tmobile for example) you could use....voicepulse or something similar Jan 20 01:58:24 has anyone ported a crond for OS2008? I have searched everywhere and only found old, old, links for earlier OS versions Jan 20 02:01:36 dunno what's used Jan 20 02:31:30 does maemo have a mailing list? Jan 20 02:42:25 yes maemo-users and maemo-developers **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jan 20 02:59:57 2008