**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jan 20 02:59:57 2008 Jan 20 03:19:09 it's quiet tonite :) Jan 20 03:25:39 everyones at bars spilling booze on their internet tablets Jan 20 03:49:30 woohoo, drag and drop didn't work into vmplayer, but copy + paste file did Jan 20 03:52:21 * jsmith-away wanders away... Jan 20 04:42:08 so is anyone sharing the videos they convert into N800 friendly formats? I just starting using "Media Converter" and am pretty happy with it Jan 20 04:49:01 Esotic, is media converter something that happens on the n800 side? and where can I get it Jan 20 04:50:50 and how is it different than, say, ffmepg Jan 20 04:50:51 ffmpeg Jan 20 04:53:51 no on pc side Jan 20 04:54:43 scratchbox ought to get a ping cmd Jan 20 04:55:06 sorry, i was putzing around with lxdoom :) Jan 20 04:55:13 you can download it from maemo.org Jan 20 04:55:25 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/mediaconverter/ Jan 20 04:56:41 thanks Esotic Jan 20 04:57:19 i was trying to render N800 friendly files from Vegas (my video editing software), but they never work in the default media player Jan 20 04:58:41 suggest you use mplayer on the tablet instead Jan 20 04:59:22 mplayer is ok, but the new version has been lagging on the MP4 files Jan 20 04:59:28 under OS2008 Jan 20 04:59:45 sync problems? Jan 20 04:59:47 a/v? Jan 20 05:00:05 i guess you could call it "sputtering" Jan 20 05:02:00 do you encode to 400x240 or lower? Jan 20 05:02:40 i tried a couple resolutions and bit-rates... 400x240, 320x160, etc Jan 20 05:03:04 using a 44.1 audio sampling frequency Jan 20 05:03:48 mp3 audio? Jan 20 05:04:39 could have been mp4.... the dialog in vegas just lets you pick the sampling frequency and bit-rate (128) Jan 20 05:05:06 Media Converter is working like a charm, though Jan 20 05:06:08 if i want to watch my own movies (that I filmed) then I have to transcode them... it would be nice if I could just render then from my editing solution, but whatever, at least it works Jan 20 05:08:47 yeah, the most convenient would be a streaming media player (on the tablet) that would let you browse, play and transcode for download your files conveniently Jan 20 05:09:45 anyway - glad it's working Jan 20 05:09:47 ttyl Jan 20 05:18:21 n810 is uncomfortable to be portable on my pocket ? Jan 20 05:20:21 I'm trying to install gtk-doc-tools and wpeditor-dev in the vmware chinook scratchbox. But apt-get can't find them. Where are they?? Jan 20 05:21:27 trevarthan : n800 is uncomfortable to be portable into my pocket? Jan 20 05:22:09 K-Fox, ? Jan 20 05:22:14 lol Jan 20 05:23:30 you pocket size to be accommidating for maybe n800 of size? Jan 20 05:24:49 oh, weird, I needed to add the chinook target to /etc/apt/sources.lst. strange. Jan 20 05:25:29 my n800 fits my levis pocket ok Jan 20 05:25:41 ok Jan 20 05:25:46 not sure if the n810 is larger or not Jan 20 05:26:21 it's good Jan 20 05:26:28 the n810 is smaller Jan 20 05:26:31 i would like an n800 case I could put a couple cards into (license, credit, etc) Jan 20 05:26:34 smaller then the 770 even Jan 20 05:27:18 It's winter, so I always travel with a coat. I put my n800 in the coat chest pocket. Jan 20 05:27:32 n810 is too expensive than n810 Jan 20 05:27:48 n800 Jan 20 05:28:15 but n800 is large than n810 Jan 20 05:32:46 Where the heck can I find libwpeditor-plus-dev? Jan 20 05:43:10 i like web surfing on the n800, but I'm still getting used to the text entry Jan 20 05:50:22 Esotic, links Jan 20 05:50:53 links for what? Jan 20 05:51:04 the name of browser, dude Jan 20 05:52:09 the browser that comes with OS2008? Jan 20 05:52:15 hm, dunno Jan 20 05:52:28 links is text mode browser for unix Jan 20 05:52:39 more modern than lynx Jan 20 05:52:52 some folks like elinks Jan 20 05:53:07 i think os2008 comes with a mozilla variant Jan 20 05:53:23 ah, you asked for no graphical browser Jan 20 05:53:58 i like web surfing on the n800, but I'm still getting used to Jan 20 05:54:01 the text entry Jan 20 05:54:16 typing stuff into search engines and such Jan 20 05:54:25 ah... Jan 20 05:54:30 sorry for the confusion Jan 20 05:54:44 maybe gg or similar in front of search word... Jan 20 05:55:00 gg was for opera, I think Jan 20 05:55:09 maybe one day i'll make a new on screen keyboard :) Jan 20 05:55:15 there must be some manual Jan 20 05:55:38 lost your stylus? Jan 20 05:55:59 no, i still have the 2 of them... just trying other methods Jan 20 05:56:10 n800? Jan 20 05:56:15 yup Jan 20 05:56:33 I saw bigger eee, with almost normal kb Jan 20 05:57:25 i got the n800 cuz i'm a web developer and build pages to control stuff across my LAN Jan 20 05:57:46 yeah, n800 is the device for you Jan 20 05:57:56 rsync could help Jan 20 05:58:00 it's a nice piece of kit Jan 20 05:59:09 Esotic, ruby? Jan 20 05:59:41 ruby what? Jan 20 05:59:46 the language? Jan 20 05:59:51 language for web, yeah Jan 20 06:00:05 I saw port for maemo Jan 20 06:00:15 i haven't looked at it yet... i've been working with PHP, Javascript, VB.Net and such Jan 20 06:00:28 php is already in repos Jan 20 06:00:38 and of course IIS, Apache, MySql, etc Jan 20 06:00:39 ajax is must-hae Jan 20 06:01:14 iis is ms technology? Jan 20 06:01:21 as vb.net? Jan 20 06:01:41 IIS is the web server, you can put any kind of server side script behind it Jan 20 06:02:09 i saw something recently where people were using .Net on apache Jan 20 06:02:22 sounds like craziness to me, but whatever floats your boat Jan 20 06:02:23 in repos I saw 2 differnt servers for maemo, very small Jan 20 06:02:50 hm, .net is not in my agenda Jan 20 06:03:05 i only use it for work Jan 20 06:03:09 mysql has client in repos Jan 20 06:03:11 i mean, the work that pays the bills :) Jan 20 06:03:16 he-he Jan 20 06:03:30 outside of work it's all PHP and javascript so far Jan 20 06:03:30 if customer likes... Jan 20 06:03:52 js was my no-no for years, but ajax changed it Jan 20 06:04:17 I cannot get why sites ask for js if no ajax on it Jan 20 06:05:11 you can do stuff in javascript that isn't necessarily asynxchronous web transfers Jan 20 06:05:39 hm, known for ie bugs et al. Jan 20 06:06:16 web apps are still pretty new... give it a year of two and hopefully things will standardize Jan 20 06:06:39 I just dislike if the index page is only flash Jan 20 06:06:40 Firefox 3 and IE 8 :) Jan 20 06:07:05 for instance, I want to buy something and go to their site Jan 20 06:07:18 I they ask to install flash player... Jan 20 06:07:32 i have the macromedia studio and use dreamweaver, but flash is too complicated for me to dedicate my time to learn Jan 20 06:07:38 never bought something on that kind of seller Jan 20 06:08:08 it has some cool features and i'm ok with other sites use it Jan 20 06:08:21 ah, it is ok if suits you Jan 20 06:08:36 not an aficionados Jan 20 06:09:15 i'm not so much of a graphic designer. i think those folks are more into flash Jan 20 06:09:38 they think all people use exactly the same software as they do Jan 20 06:10:09 no, they are just morally superior enough not to care :) Jan 20 06:10:10 w3c starndard should be the way to follow Jan 20 06:10:24 what about ie only pages, are they activex always? Jan 20 06:10:26 ah, yes Jan 20 06:10:34 and I don't read their sites Jan 20 06:10:52 IE bugs me that's it's not compliant, but Firefox bugs me cuz the javascript engine is slow Jan 20 06:11:00 hahlo, personaly I just don't care for it Jan 20 06:11:45 but does mozilla show all other kinds than activex web pages? Jan 20 06:11:47 and default should be no-cookies, no-js... Jan 20 06:12:10 active x was file tech Jan 20 06:12:21 but proprietary, closed and bugged Jan 20 06:12:29 so, dead Jan 20 06:12:37 ok, thanks for the chatting... i gotta get to bed now for my big day tomorrow... Cheers Everyone! :) Jan 20 06:12:44 :) Jan 20 06:13:29 * zoran gone to feed dragons Jan 20 07:29:41 mozilla is faster than opera? Jan 20 10:00:35 Still lost here: Trying to install pidgin, but it fails the libopencdk8 dependency, which is supposed to come from the maemo-haeckers repository acc. to the gronmayer search site. Am I doing something wrong? Jan 20 10:01:34 Quite probably Jan 20 10:01:39 It should install right off Jan 20 10:01:50 You're using the one for chinook, right? Jan 20 10:02:26 I removed all repositories that I could, visited the site from the topic and added the 2008/chinook ones again, yes Jan 20 10:02:52 If it's having a dependency, search gronmayer and add the repo that has it. Jan 20 10:03:15 I did that, no luck Jan 20 10:03:35 Did you refresh? Jan 20 10:03:48 Yep Jan 20 10:04:04 Run apt-get install pidgin and dump the logs on pastebin. Jan 20 10:04:56 Uhm.. Okay. Let me check how I can do that (don't have ssh on the device, so I have to do it over there) Jan 20 10:05:25 [Announce] Streamtuner one click install now available for OS2006 and OS 2007 on maemo downloads. Enjoy ans stay tuned :-) Jan 20 10:38:44 Are those temp fixes for repositories still necessary? Jan 20 10:43:50 No. Jan 20 10:54:53 people. Is there any way to turn off power management features for the wlan interface of n810? Jan 20 10:55:47 I don't think it works so well towards my home wlan. But if I use it at home, power usage isn't that important, because a charger is always within reach. Jan 20 10:56:04 I know about wireless-tools and iwconfig wlan0 power off Jan 20 10:56:21 but the n810 keeps turning powersaving on again after a while. Jan 20 11:02:13 I have seen such a setting in the configuration panel Jan 20 11:02:30 there is a place that list all your connexion, you can edit preference for them. Jan 20 11:02:58 there is an "advanced" sort of option that let you tells how you want the powersaving feature to be used. Jan 20 11:04:36 connexion pannel/connectivity/connexions/select one connexion/next next next untill you got the "advanced option" choice. Jan 20 11:04:46 The labelling may differ a bit on your as mine use french locales :) Jan 20 11:11:54 since os2008, i feel my n800 tablet consume a lot more of power. I used to have to recharge it every 4 or 5 days. Now it s every 2 days. Jan 20 11:11:56 ah :) that was even better than I hoped. So I can set it only on my home network. Jan 20 11:12:03 and i cannot browser 3 hours as i used to do. Jan 20 11:12:14 melmouth: I agree, I have the same feeling. Jan 20 11:12:16 i wonder if it s all due to the overclocking. Jan 20 11:12:17 RSS? Jan 20 11:12:23 metalayer-crawler? Jan 20 11:12:27 No, it's not the overclocking Jan 20 11:12:28 no, nothing that use the network regularly Jan 20 11:12:36 You've obviously got something eating CPU Jan 20 11:12:42 "overclocking" Jan 20 11:14:51 the application usage did not change from when i was on os2007, so i dont know wich one may be the culprit. Jan 20 11:15:02 plus i do not see cpu load being high. Jan 20 11:18:47 is it possbile to use os2007 application on os2008 Jan 20 11:19:39 K-Fox: I understand that too much has changed for that to work Jan 20 11:20:13 ok Jan 20 11:21:07 all depends the application i think. Jan 20 11:21:20 If it s python based, it should work the same way. Jan 20 11:23:52 Depends on the app Jan 20 11:24:01 GUI stuff is a no-go because of the GTK break Jan 20 11:24:07 but console stuff is pretty much 100% Jan 20 11:24:42 GeneralAntilles: I thought there were a few library upgrades? I doubt all console stuff would work. Jan 20 11:24:59 Like I said, almost 100% of the console stuff works fine. Jan 20 11:40:17 Hmm. Canola(2) doesn't do video podcasts, does it? Jan 20 12:05:28 how do you get canola to display album art? -.- Jan 20 12:37:05 anybody knows why the text size is very small and doesn't increase with zoom when I try to write e-mail on outlook web access? Jan 20 12:38:22 Eh? Jan 20 12:38:41 What's outlook web access? Jan 20 12:38:55 ms's webmail thing Jan 20 12:38:55 I assume it's some part of exchange? Jan 20 12:39:06 eshudders Jan 20 12:39:12 ugh :) Jan 20 12:42:26 and anotherthing ... anybody used the tablet to connect wirelessly to the projector? Jan 20 12:42:45 I know, you don't have powerpoint on it, but anyway ... it would be cool :) Jan 20 12:42:56 No, but what kind of projector? Jan 20 12:43:34 I have been told that there are projectors, which can display a picture ower wifi Jan 20 12:43:50 http://www.nextag.co.uk/Panasonic-PT-LB51NTEA-Wireless-559431031/uk/prices-html Jan 20 12:44:19 hello Jan 20 12:44:26 hi Jan 20 12:44:35 kala, it would depend on how they implemented it on the projector, but it might work Jan 20 12:45:08 hi! Jan 20 12:45:21 is somewhere instruction how to support usb mouse ot n800 Jan 20 12:46:00 Not that I'm seen. Jan 20 12:46:04 Seems a bit silly .. Jan 20 12:46:14 Unless you're using that KDE setup .. Jan 20 12:46:31 The tablets are meant to be touched!!! Jan 20 12:46:33 Touch them .. Jan 20 12:48:02 GEORGE_BG, I don't think it works now Jan 20 12:48:30 but it seems like some guys at internettablettalk.com/forums are trying to get it working Jan 20 12:48:37 might want to search there Jan 20 12:48:57 some of the stuff is on bluetooth mice but it should be somewhat similar Jan 20 12:49:35 ok i will see Jan 20 12:49:37 thanks Jan 20 12:52:22 hi, i'm trying to install some of the gtk dev packages onto an N810 so i can write a couple of desktop applets on my way to work in the morning. i have gcc running fine but can't seem to find gtk dev debs that match the version that ships with the tablet. is this something that anyone here has done successfully and could offer advice on? Jan 20 12:53:36 (the ones on repository.maemo.org have an osso4 in the version string; the binaries on the device appear to be osso5) Jan 20 12:56:05 interesting Jan 20 12:56:18 I see osso32 on my tablet and osso24 in the repo Jan 20 12:57:01 i might be remembering incorrectly - tried to install last night Jan 20 12:57:11 will check what version i have Jan 20 12:57:35 still, I know I ran into version mismatches before and eventually tracked it down Jan 20 12:57:37 johnx, there's 32.1 source in os2008 Jan 20 12:57:43 ah Jan 20 12:57:48 ok, that's probably what it wa Jan 20 12:57:49 s Jan 20 12:58:14 johnx, you'll need to build it, but I guess they compile quite nicely Jan 20 12:59:32 i was remembering incorrectly: it was libpng12-dev that i could only find osso4 for, a precursor for cairo befor i could install gtk Jan 20 12:59:56 if you want to match the tablet exactly you might have to do some manual building Jan 20 13:00:11 if not just go with what's in the repositories Jan 20 13:01:54 is anybody able to explain why i get strange dependency problems if i try to update some packages via the application manager? apg-get install is able to install there packages. should i use apt-get on the n800 or is it a bad idea? Jan 20 13:01:59 thanks: i'm not to concerned about matching the repository if it's only headers. i just started to run into so many dependency problems i figured that i must be looking in the wrong place for the armel debs. Jan 20 13:02:50 yeah, those .debs were probably never intended to be installed on the tablet Jan 20 13:03:31 fair enough. i just figured they would be in sync with the release :-) Jan 20 13:03:32 Henry78: i use apt-get to install software without problem, you can give it a try. Jan 20 13:03:40 thanks. Jan 20 13:03:48 cheers Jan 20 13:04:13 but apt-get wants to remove osso-software-version, which ha a lot of reverse-dependencies...? Jan 20 13:04:25 hmmm. Jan 20 13:04:31 Don't do that then. :) Jan 20 13:04:39 didn't do it. Jan 20 13:04:44 what are you trying to install ? from wich repo ? Jan 20 13:05:08 tryint to install libvte-common, i thinks that's from the chinook repo Jan 20 13:06:14 my n800 is quite new, so i'm still figuring out how the things work. Jan 20 13:06:49 no idea :-( sounds like a dependency is badly set in the package. Jan 20 13:08:19 it's in the "operation system" virtual package. thought it's important Jan 20 13:09:24 Henry78, libvte-common should already be installed on the tablet I think Jan 20 13:09:44 ah, was this while updating? Jan 20 13:10:42 updating? Jan 20 13:11:20 I mean: "Did you run into the problem with libvte-common while trying to upgrade other software?" Jan 20 13:11:59 no, just the "operating system" package needs it. Jan 20 13:12:22 I'm slightly confused... do the n8x0's have some sort of OpenGL support? Jan 20 13:12:27 No. Jan 20 13:12:36 so maybe it just gets pulled in from the chinook-repo, and i don't need it really. hmm... that's fine. Jan 20 13:14:08 libvte-common should be installed on your device already. It should be included with the firmware. Precisely, what were you trying to do with apt-get when it tried to install libvte-common and couldn't? Jan 20 13:18:28 i tried to install libvte-common via apt-get 'cause it didn't work via application manager, i wanted to get more information why. apt told me libvte-common provides libvte-common- 1:0.12.2-0mh4 and on the same time it depends on that version. application manger shows that (the same version it is providing) as a missing dependency. Jan 20 13:19:38 ah. Ok, it sounds like somehow libvte-common managed to get itself uninstalled. Jan 20 13:19:50 since it should have come with your tablet Jan 20 13:19:57 I don't know if it's in any repository or not Jan 20 13:20:05 Did he remove xterm? Jan 20 13:20:07 let me check and see if I can find it somewhere Jan 20 13:20:37 no, it's installed. the mh4 version is installed. Jan 20 13:21:30 i think it's just not possible (atm) to install the version from the chinook-repo because of wrong(?) dependencies. Jan 20 13:22:09 the extras repository? or the maemo-hackers repository? Jan 20 13:22:20 lots of repos with chinook in the name. :) Jan 20 13:22:28 hackers. Jan 20 13:22:53 yes, I would agree. Somehow their dependencies are screwed up. Jan 20 13:23:02 sorry it took so long for me to understand. Jan 20 13:23:03 yeh, i'm quite confused with all the repos. Jan 20 13:23:58 maybe i wasn't articulating exact. Jan 20 13:24:17 thanks for discussing that with me. Jan 20 13:24:22 sure. No problem Jan 20 13:24:24 :) Jan 20 13:24:59 so have nice day, my girlfriend is eagerly awaiting me. Jan 20 13:25:03 ah Jan 20 13:25:13 you too Jan 20 13:25:16 bye Jan 20 13:25:16 have fun Jan 20 13:55:09 hahaha...useless annoying hack #2342: use xclip in conjuntion with flite to have the IT read aloud whatever you hilight. It's as bad as it sounds. :) Jan 20 14:00:02 Somebody remind my retarded ass where the .desktops are stored? Jan 20 14:00:16 /usr/share/applications/hildon/ Jan 20 14:00:29 Thanks Jan 20 14:00:31 sure Jan 20 14:17:15 why does sudo (pw maemo) work in scratchbox but 'su' doesn't? Jan 20 14:18:06 do i need to add 'maemo' to /etc/sudoers? Jan 20 14:18:12 maybe no root password is set? Jan 20 14:18:17 why not just sudo su - Jan 20 14:18:20 ? Jan 20 14:18:23 pass seems to be maemo Jan 20 14:18:35 that's the user password Jan 20 14:18:37 that works thanks Jan 20 14:18:38 not the root password Jan 20 14:18:44 got me root here Jan 20 14:21:02 minra_ i use fakeroot in scratchbox Jan 20 14:21:29 adding my real (router) dns server to scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf solved the apt-get problems Jan 20 14:21:45 sorry i was misleading Jan 20 14:21:52 i meant in the maemo vmware host system Jan 20 14:22:57 greetings everyone Jan 20 14:23:35 anyone there? Jan 20 14:23:39 1 Jan 20 14:26:37 wow...nothing like giving people a second to respond... Jan 20 14:29:23 how do you transfer files from host system to vmware system johnx? my copy and paste (drag and drop) sometimes works, sometimes not (straange) Jan 20 14:29:56 i drag and i can see the 'copying file to virtual machine' but the file never appears Jan 20 14:30:04 I assume your host is Windows and the system in vmware is Debian/Ubuntu? Jan 20 14:30:29 vmware is the idnt scratchbox chinook/bora kit, host is debian sid (fluxbox) Jan 20 14:30:41 and source for the file copy is konqueror Jan 20 14:30:48 maybe it's having trouble following the symlink Jan 20 14:31:10 you could just use scp from inside scratchbox Jan 20 14:31:30 hi all Jan 20 14:31:34 hi Jan 20 14:31:44 yeah will scp Jan 20 14:33:23 or you could copy from the Linux host side of things to /scratchbox/users/you/home/you or something like that Jan 20 14:33:45 the confusing thing is that it sometimes works, sometimes not Jan 20 14:33:49 I've a strange problem with MaemoMapper. Even if I enable auto-download (so it should download maps at every zoom level) the image is never defined. I mean... when you have a bitmap and you try to zoom... you begin to see the pixel... right? Well... all the images downloaded from maemo mapper are not correctly zoomed... is this a know iussue with MaemoMapper 2.3 in N810? Jan 20 14:34:14 but screw drag-n-drop. that's a windows/mac tradition Jan 20 14:34:31 duno Jan 20 14:34:43 Andy80: is maemomapper better than the default gps mapper? Jan 20 14:35:00 Yes Jan 20 14:35:12 Andy80, do you have pixel doubling turned on? Jan 20 14:35:26 GeneralAntilles: where can I check this? Jan 20 14:35:38 Under the repository settings Jan 20 14:35:56 I check now... Jan 20 14:36:28 yes it is Jan 20 14:36:31 I try to disable it Jan 20 14:37:25 yeah, now it's ok :) Jan 20 14:41:42 Any ops around? Jan 20 14:43:21 maybe? Jan 20 14:43:26 Has anybody figured out how to do pixel doubling in pygame? Jan 20 14:44:26 GeneralAntilles: there's another strange thing: I try to download a road info.... starting point "via bargi pistoia" ending point "via enrico fermi pistoia". While www.gnuite.com webservice gives me the right info, if I use it from maemo mapper, it says there are about 1080 km :D Jan 20 14:44:28 (P)erformance, (Y)ou're kidding? - Game? Jan 20 14:44:35 but... there are only 4-5 km :) Jan 20 14:44:47 Dunno, Andy80. Jan 20 15:07:27 hi all Jan 20 15:08:07 hi Jan 20 15:08:31 i read watched that video about moding nokia 770 Jan 20 15:08:42 which phone is better 770 / 800 ? Jan 20 15:09:01 not phones! Jan 20 15:09:05 i mean tablet Jan 20 15:09:16 N800 of course :) Jan 20 15:09:27 The N800 is better in every way Jan 20 15:09:44 u know how much will it cost in used market ?? i m new to this Jan 20 15:09:57 i read wiki about the same Jan 20 15:10:14 no the 770 is more durable than n800 Jan 20 15:10:23 check ebay or the for sale section of internettablettalk.com/forums Jan 20 15:10:35 last time I checked an N800+extras was ~$200 Jan 20 15:10:46 okie. i found 770 is very cheap as 130$ Jan 20 15:10:50 too cheap Jan 20 15:10:53 :) Jan 20 15:11:17 the difference is $70 well spent Jan 20 15:11:20 and on both models all the softwares are compatible ?? Jan 20 15:11:36 means 770 sw will work on 800 Jan 20 15:11:37 ? Jan 20 15:11:41 agree johnx, for 2x the power and 12x the storage capacity Jan 20 15:11:59 or have to find some new versions. Jan 20 15:12:05 that depends on many things sh4rpr00ter Jan 20 15:12:10 okie Jan 20 15:12:12 you'll need new versions in most cases Jan 20 15:12:24 some command line stuff for the 770 still works on the N800 Jan 20 15:12:45 SDL proggies too Jan 20 15:12:57 all ppl here having the tablet ?? Jan 20 15:13:10 i wanna ask Jan 20 15:13:17 if it has skype ?? Jan 20 15:13:26 yes. It has skype. Jan 20 15:13:31 or gtalk ? Jan 20 15:13:33 gr8 Jan 20 15:13:45 770 aLSO supports that skype ?? Jan 20 15:13:46 skype on 770 too? Jan 20 15:13:49 i havent been keeping up Jan 20 15:14:00 okie..its gr8 news. Jan 20 15:14:05 i thought it was just 800/810 but not sure Jan 20 15:14:11 ah. I think someone hacked up skype to make it work on the 770 Jan 20 15:14:18 ah Jan 20 15:14:34 they took the 2007OS version and made it work on 2007HE Jan 20 15:14:45 hey pdf viewer is good to render next page on n810? Jan 20 15:14:55 maemo flash is free for use ?? Jan 20 15:15:25 pdf viewer is fast? Jan 20 15:15:39 I don't use it much Jan 20 15:15:41 it seems ok Jan 20 15:15:50 to read Jan 20 15:15:55 pdf viewer is getting better every release. the last one is very usable Jan 20 15:16:02 sh4rpr00ter, What do you mean by "maemo flash"? Jan 20 15:16:14 means i wanna mod it... Jan 20 15:16:19 as i saw video of it. Jan 20 15:16:21 bin file Jan 20 15:16:52 firmware? or wha? Jan 20 15:16:58 What are you talking about? Jan 20 15:16:58 you can run custom kernels if you want Jan 20 15:17:11 yes the firmware Jan 20 15:17:21 got it..its linux means free Jan 20 15:17:24 not all of the firmware is open/free tho Jan 20 15:17:26 sh4rpr00ter: mod it to do what? Jan 20 15:17:36 sniffing... Jan 20 15:17:45 wlan Jan 20 15:18:00 nmap , kismet, or mplayer .... Jan 20 15:18:21 n810 is out for sale ???? Jan 20 15:18:26 yes Jan 20 15:18:26 what is a name of sniffing appl ? Jan 20 15:18:31 kismet Jan 20 15:18:34 dsiff Jan 20 15:18:43 *dsniff Jan 20 15:18:45 ettercap Jan 20 15:18:49 sh4rpr00ter, There's already kismet compiled for it...but something to do with the wireless drivers causes it to stop working after a couple minutes Jan 20 15:18:58 tcpdump Jan 20 15:19:05 ettercat <--- this is worked on n810 Jan 20 15:19:21 810 is expensive .. Jan 20 15:19:30 ok Jan 20 15:19:40 expensive Jan 20 15:19:47 yeah, the N800 is a better deal than the N810 unless you need the keyboard Jan 20 15:19:51 i will buy n800 Jan 20 15:20:15 can i port mine linux application to work on 770 /800 ...... Jan 20 15:20:16 ? Jan 20 15:20:20 johnx/ what do you have ? Jan 20 15:20:31 sh4rpr00ter, yes Jan 20 15:20:34 K-Fox, N800 Jan 20 15:20:45 need some extra knowledge ?? Jan 20 15:20:54 or is there any tools for posting Jan 20 15:21:00 i mean porting Jan 20 15:21:06 sh4rpr00ter, google maemo sdk Jan 20 15:21:13 coz i m hacking interested .. Jan 20 15:21:19 okie Jan 20 15:21:26 for instance? Jan 20 15:21:33 command line tools shouldn't need any work. Just recompile Jan 20 15:21:44 okie Jan 20 15:21:51 GUI stuff will probably need to modified to fit in right with the desktop Jan 20 15:22:11 all command line program will work ??? Jan 20 15:22:20 like on normal linux systems . Jan 20 15:22:41 you'll have to recompile them, but for the most part they'll work Jan 20 15:22:47 yes, in most cases at least Jan 20 15:22:53 firstly i thought its a phone. Jan 20 15:22:54 at worst you can just make yourself a debian chroot, and run stuff in that Jan 20 15:22:56 johnx/ do you have no plan to buy a n810? Jan 20 15:23:29 K-Fox, I can think of better ways to spend $350 right now. :) Jan 20 15:23:54 i also heard iphone can also used for snifffing. Jan 20 15:24:03 have to mod it . Jan 20 15:24:06 ok Jan 20 15:24:13 bah the sdl keymap is brooken in chinook for hw keyboard Jan 20 15:24:17 i red it at metasploit framework Jan 20 15:25:04 oh iphone is sniffing wow Jan 20 15:25:09 now i m desperately wanna buy 1 soon Jan 20 15:25:22 bugaga Jan 20 15:25:48 770 supports how much storage? Jan 20 15:26:02 google? Jan 20 15:26:07 okie. Jan 20 15:26:09 2GB Jan 20 15:26:24 or more if you use sshfs Jan 20 15:26:30 2GB RSMMC, unless you're willing to take a knife and soldering iron to the card socket Jan 20 15:26:58 its a fucking gr8 thing linux in pocket.. Jan 20 15:27:22 It is Jan 20 15:27:23 perhaps somebody has a broken 770, but otherwise good case for it? I would like to mount 770 to my car and it seems that the extra case could be handy :) Jan 20 15:27:36 sh4rpr00ter, have you looked at the zaurus at all? Jan 20 15:27:45 whats that? Jan 20 15:28:02 http://images.google.com/images?q=zaurus&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi Jan 20 15:28:14 ^google knows all^ Jan 20 15:28:26 fuck its pretty . Jan 20 15:28:52 might be a better setup for sniffing and command line stuff if you don't really care about GUI apps Jan 20 15:29:28 also i was looking previsously. for small screen lap. Jan 20 15:29:37 i found fujitsu 1000 Jan 20 15:29:42 is also gr8 Jan 20 15:29:48 expensive though isn't it? Jan 20 15:29:49 but $1000 Jan 20 15:29:54 yeah Jan 20 15:30:07 8" screen Jan 20 15:30:18 and how much is zaurus Jan 20 15:30:19 ? Jan 20 15:30:25 like 3.5" maybe? Jan 20 15:30:44 i mean cost ? Jan 20 15:30:49 ah Jan 20 15:31:01 $250 - $350 on ebay it looks like for a C1000 Jan 20 15:31:29 still expensive.have to r&d in it. Jan 20 15:32:31 people sell them on oesf.org/forum too Jan 20 15:33:14 but i gess for cheap 770 or 800 is gr8 choice. Jan 20 15:33:38 afterall both are going to run linux Jan 20 15:33:41 yeah, if you don't care about a keyboard Jan 20 15:33:49 gr8? Jan 20 15:34:07 yeah. Jan 20 15:34:27 how old are you sh4rpr00ter ? Jan 20 15:34:30 23 Jan 20 15:34:36 ... Jan 20 15:34:39 Billy said you don't need kb since computer should work on voice command Jan 20 15:34:41 I tought 13 Jan 20 15:34:58 yeah....thats right.... Jan 20 15:35:13 have to conf. it . for that . Jan 20 15:37:14 is there a way to ask libosso if a certain mimetype has a handler on the system? like how does the browser know how to launch files? Jan 20 15:40:19 ywwg, libosso doesn't, mut libhildonmime should Jan 20 15:40:33 where can i buy 770 or 800 direct means no bidding.... Jan 20 15:40:41 i dont trust ppl at ebay. Jan 20 15:40:56 some times.... Jan 20 15:41:41 buy.com Jan 20 15:42:05 okie. Jan 20 15:43:39 blah ultima6 runs like ass Jan 20 15:45:22 buy.com have good prices if you're in the US Jan 20 15:46:18 and lots of complaints about service Jan 20 15:47:07 pupnik, from who? Jan 20 15:47:17 My dealings with them have always been great Jan 20 15:47:30 just my impression from the number of complaints i see Jan 20 15:47:47 returns, doa, rma Jan 20 15:48:00 What kind of impression do you get with the number of complaints you see about the N810? :P Jan 20 15:48:47 looks like 25% damaged Jan 20 15:49:10 or I got that impression Jan 20 15:49:54 any DOS games you want me to test with this new dosbox build? Jan 20 15:50:03 Fun ones! Jan 20 15:51:03 pupnik, does Win3.11 work in dosbox? Jan 20 15:51:09 (knows it aint fun) Jan 20 15:51:11 Haha Jan 20 15:51:14 That would crack me up. Jan 20 15:51:33 it probably would work, and the scary thing is it would be more efficient than vista ;) Jan 20 15:52:06 i think it does if you enable the full cpu Jan 20 15:53:34 i think i might be onto something re: battery drain and fbreader. i minimised all last night before locking device and battery is exactly where i left it Jan 20 15:54:13 * lcuk_2 must read more before coming up with final proof Jan 20 15:54:44 If your conclusions are wrong, we're going to have to kill you. Jan 20 15:55:04 thats ok, its only empirical at the moment Jan 20 15:55:28 i did some logging with top and checking where cpu was being used but the results are a bit fuzzy at the mo Jan 20 15:55:57 * lcuk_2 has a visualisation of an hours worth of data in different scenarios Jan 20 15:56:29 although i need a better way to monitor stats Jan 20 16:01:14 hi all Jan 20 16:01:31 hi Jan 20 16:02:15 hi Jan 20 16:02:58 wow norton si reporting it at roughly 24mhz 80386 speed Jan 20 16:04:48 cool, you might try running visicalc :) http://www.bricklin.com/visicalc.htm Jan 20 16:05:28 mips reports it as 2x as fast as a compaq 386, 4x as fast as a 286 @ 8mhz, 16x as fast as a 4.77mhz pc Jan 20 16:05:50 doesn't quite translate into games performance of course, cause screen draws and sound takes up a lot of time Jan 20 16:07:07 so you have a nice fast ibm compatible with altair level graphics Jan 20 16:09:10 hehe Jan 20 16:09:29 well it slows down severely with gfx/disk acess Jan 20 16:09:37 trying to get a feel for what class of games run well now Jan 20 16:10:19 nethack ;) Jan 20 16:13:50 betrayal at krondor is somewhat playable Jan 20 16:14:14 dosboxed? Jan 20 16:14:18 yeah Jan 20 16:14:20 wow Jan 20 16:14:47 the 3d outdoor scenes are about 1 fps, but that's not so unusual Jan 20 16:16:18 it wasn't fast on a real machine even tho iirc? Jan 20 16:16:25 the real problem is with sdl and the n810 keyboard. mapping is off and function key doesn't work. Jan 20 16:16:33 yes iirc. i'll try it on PC dosbox Jan 20 16:33:10 someone using dict client? Jan 20 17:20:57 wifi wlan question: if i leave it connected with no timeout but i am not using the connection does it drain the battery quickly or can i basically forget about it and leave it connected? Jan 20 17:22:00 Forget Jan 20 17:22:09 unless something is doing a lot of something Jan 20 17:22:45 depends whats happening on the network i'd reckon? Jan 20 17:23:04 no, basically a webpage open (remote control front end) and only quick connections when i press buttons but currently im set to timeout so it disconnects after 5 mins Jan 20 17:23:06 The WLAN powersaving is rather incredible. Jan 20 17:23:21 It cycles on and off very quickly. Jan 20 17:23:45 so its simimlar to the radio on a cellular phone - ie only uses power rarely and occasionally when required Jan 20 17:25:12 actually, just thinking about this i best block off connections to the outside world. dont want random folks controlling my movie ;) Jan 20 17:28:46 thing about these damn javascript webpages is you have no idea what they're doing Jan 20 17:28:53 unlike the good clean days of html Jan 20 17:29:32 * lcuk_2 has hacked together a page... Jan 20 17:29:54 with old fashioned a links Jan 20 17:30:19 in fact the whole damn web is an evil sick piece of shite Jan 20 17:30:29 Ha Jan 20 17:30:32 * lcuk_2 agrees with you Jan 20 17:30:38 all we need is a protocol for identifying screen size, a text input box, and where the user clicked Jan 20 17:30:50 everything can be server-side, and a trivial, simple client Jan 20 17:30:51 real men use gopher ! Jan 20 17:31:03 yer but this needs to be used by my real woman Jan 20 17:31:12 so she wants big fat buttons Jan 20 17:31:31 gopher was the u of mn mascot Jan 20 17:35:41 Does the front of the N800 come off, to make it easier to fit a screen protector? Jan 20 17:36:08 Yes. Jan 20 17:36:13 it does?! Jan 20 17:36:21 goddamn it, why did no one tell me this?! Jan 20 17:36:32 * doc|home spent a good half hour trying to apply his Jan 20 17:36:35 GeneralAntilles: do you know how ? :-) Jan 20 17:37:13 There are 3 tabs bellow the kickstand Jan 20 17:37:31 use a jewelers screwdriver to finagle them open. Jan 20 17:37:55 yep, I see them Jan 20 17:38:08 Just try not to loose the buttons. Jan 20 17:38:17 s/loose/lose/ Jan 20 17:38:17 GeneralAntilles meant: Just try not to lose the buttons. Jan 20 17:38:54 doc|home, because you didn't ask. Jan 20 17:39:42 :o Jan 20 17:40:04 ok, so, while we're there: can the CPU/Memory work any faster? :) Jan 20 17:40:12 No. Jan 20 17:40:15 the two end ones are easy, the middle tab is being tricky Jan 20 17:40:17 damn! Jan 20 17:40:19 :) Jan 20 17:40:33 doc|home: I can upgrade to OS2008 from 2007 to make the clock speed faster, IIRC... Jan 20 17:40:58 nick_fn: yep, have done that Jan 20 17:41:06 still the browser doesn't seem to render any faster Jan 20 17:41:12 It does. Jan 20 17:41:18 Unless you were on Opera Jan 20 17:41:24 In which case, it's only a little faster. Jan 20 17:42:48 ok, top off now Jan 20 17:43:13 Which screen protector? Jan 20 17:43:51 I got an invisible shield Jan 20 17:44:07 normally I go with Brando Workshop though. brb, I forgot my compressed air, so I'll go fetch that Jan 20 17:57:55 is mirob default on OS2008 or Opera still begin instaled by default? Jan 20 17:58:14 * DaniloCesar s/mirob/microb Jan 20 17:59:34 opera is gone Jan 20 18:00:01 and good riddance to bad rubbish. Jan 20 18:00:46 hmm... well, that went badly Jan 20 18:00:59 even managed to drop the protector on carpet mid way through Jan 20 18:01:19 and it got really stuck to my gloves I thought I'd wear to stop finger prints Jan 20 18:02:24 Ha Jan 20 18:02:27 It's called soap. :P Jan 20 18:02:54 I use very thin plastic gloves for doing picture frames, so I thought that might work good here too Jan 20 18:02:55 but nope Jan 20 18:04:15 i suggest a hard case - my n810 is already dented (barely noticeable) Jan 20 18:04:32 which do you recommend? Jan 20 18:04:37 dunno Jan 20 18:04:48 Not for the N800 Jan 20 18:04:50 N810, maybe Jan 20 18:04:54 But the N800 isn't dentable Jan 20 18:05:05 bugger, there is three bits under the protector Jan 20 18:05:44 bits? Jan 20 18:05:58 Pieces of dirt Jan 20 18:06:12 one yellow thread bit, one dark bit, and one other thing Jan 20 18:07:08 wonder how easy it is to take them off again... Jan 20 18:07:57 Not very! Jan 20 18:08:11 oh well. I'll live with it for now Jan 20 18:08:16 better than scratching the screen Jan 20 18:09:20 I can always order a new one I guess Jan 20 18:10:07 That's the problem with the invisible shield. Jan 20 18:10:13 Not quite as easy to reapply as others. Jan 20 18:10:23 yeah, brando you can redo many times Jan 20 18:10:41 I have an invisible shield, it's almost like not having one at all. works wonderfully, keep it in the provided case, not got any scratches.... Jan 20 18:11:15 I'm finding the screen quite 'tacky' still - will that go away after time? Jan 20 18:16:19 nick_fn, maybe. the problem i've found is that i tap on a place and an event for another,nearby place, gets generated. Jan 20 18:20:42 kpel: I checked with maemopad+, and drawing works as expected so I don't have that issue yet Jan 20 18:46:50 anybody want to compile a sound blaster 16 emulator for the tablet dsp? :) Jan 20 18:55:25 pupnik, sure. you get me the source, i'll compile it for you ;) Jan 20 19:00:24 dosbox-0.72/src/hardware/sblaster.cpp Jan 20 19:05:02 http://www.eyeq.tv/?cid=131143 <--- This would be a good app fot the Tablet. :) Jan 20 19:07:40 pupnik, it will compile but I am having trouble squashing my old sb16 card inside the MMC slot of my 810. it made some sort of crunching noise when i pushed it in but i think its ok Jan 20 19:08:10 ill test it when i bring it back online, it all crash for some bizarre reason ;) Jan 20 19:08:33 hehe Jan 20 19:08:41 i need to also profile it Jan 20 19:09:02 but first! more testing Jan 20 19:09:36 skibur, this eyeq thing is not possible on 810 because: "exclusive high speed imaging techniques". ... Jan 20 19:10:27 pup, was it you that wanted an xv graphics example for some reason Jan 20 19:11:19 yeah Jan 20 19:11:52 also need to look at what pipeline is doing to make quake2 draw fast Jan 20 19:11:55 well ill be looking in that direction in the next few days (if i can get compiling off the ground..) Jan 20 19:12:09 cool Jan 20 19:12:39 i want to run monochrome images (book text) and think thats the way i need to be pointing Jan 20 19:13:27 yes. i also need to learn what mplayer is doing Jan 20 19:13:46 Magic Jan 20 19:13:50 evil voodoo magic Jan 20 19:13:56 Burn the witches! Jan 20 19:14:06 yeah, "any siginificantly advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" A.C. Clarke Jan 20 19:14:16 s/significiantly/sufficiently Jan 20 19:14:18 siarhei is doing the mplayer ninja logic isnt it Jan 20 19:14:24 yes Jan 20 19:14:52 but hes not the core mplayer guy - just specifically maemo from what i could gather Jan 20 19:14:57 yes Jan 20 19:15:06 * lcuk_2 is glad someone is fighting for our team :) Jan 20 19:18:25 v1 of my remote control is working (total html at client end) now to make it much faster with python and sockets :) Jan 20 19:18:46 * lcuk_2 might get to watch a movie by this time next year Jan 20 19:21:04 is there in /dev/ that i can read current battery status? Jan 20 19:22:06 Hi Everybody. Jan 20 19:22:15 greetings Jan 20 19:23:13 I need to know if there a completely free version of maemo without any proprietary software installed except required driver Jan 20 19:23:19 *drivers Jan 20 19:23:58 I want to use maemo, but I saw that it comes with a lot of nonfree software inside. Jan 20 19:24:30 is there any possibility to hack that o.s. to be fully free? Jan 20 19:25:14 there's ubuntu mobile Jan 20 19:25:36 yes? and is it rocks on the nokia n810? Jan 20 19:25:50 you can build openedhand's poky for the N8x0, with just free software like matchbox/GPE stuff Jan 20 19:26:04 also debian-maemo is doing that kind of thing too Jan 20 19:27:09 thank you. Jan 20 19:28:02 also I would like to know if there a program to sync the PIM with evolution? Jan 20 19:28:28 yes some ppl are doing that, search internettablettalk.com with terms gpe and evolution Jan 20 19:28:31 i think Jan 20 19:30:30 thank yu all for that tremendously helpfull info. I will start to look for buyng this device. Jan 20 19:42:36 no numbers in dosbox is teh sux Jan 20 19:50:58 Test Drive 2 - 5 fps Jan 20 19:51:52 looks like the n810 is still pretty much limited to XT class games Jan 20 20:00:23 pupnik, someone said that it runs quake2 Jan 20 20:01:02 This is for dosbox, Xamusk. Jan 20 20:01:22 ooh wing commander might be playable Jan 20 20:01:40 oh, I guess I got the train running Jan 20 20:01:59 what is dosbox? dos emulator? Jan 20 20:02:30 yes, exactly Jan 20 20:05:52 we need to set up a bounty of a few thousand dollars for whomever gets dynamic recompilation on dosbox in AMR Jan 20 20:06:45 200 people @ 20 dollars? Jan 20 20:07:14 What would be awesome would be injection drivers for the built in wireless Jan 20 20:07:20 that too Jan 20 20:08:26 or how about making it legal to provide an open wlan. that'd be nice Jan 20 20:09:10 I wonder how many of the people begging for injection are actually using it for work-related penetration testing. . . . Jan 20 20:10:41 GeneralAntilles: wild guess: maybe about half. Jan 20 20:10:50 That high? Jan 20 20:11:06 I don't agree. :P Jan 20 20:11:22 GeneralAntilles: Feel free to guess better :) Jan 20 20:12:57 At least here seems quite common to do stuff like that for work or career, most of the nasties are a bit too lazy or low profile to beg Jan 20 21:18:40 hmrmsz Jan 20 21:32:47 zzzzzz Jan 20 21:35:16 hey folks Jan 20 21:35:40 anyone else got their N8x0 hosed by the rtcomm update Jan 20 21:35:49 of the 19th of Jan? Jan 20 21:36:40 yes someone mentioned that yesterday Jan 20 21:36:49 reboot loop Jan 20 21:37:34 it was me xD Jan 20 21:37:37 lol Jan 20 21:37:50 oh sorry Jan 20 21:37:56 well, back to pidgin for me ;) Jan 20 21:38:12 you are working on pidgin? Jan 20 21:38:34 no, I mean I am back to using pidgin :) Jan 20 21:38:46 instead of what? Jan 20 21:38:56 rtcomm Jan 20 21:39:05 the builtin multiprotocol support Jan 20 21:39:10 ohh Jan 20 21:39:37 gah synthetic benchmarks are useless for dosbox Jan 20 21:40:05