**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jan 24 02:59:57 2008 Jan 24 05:22:47 so, unless I misunderstand the situation, Xomap doesn't read from /dev/input/event2 (for example, the N800 buttons) Jan 24 05:22:56 instead hald-input-addon does Jan 24 05:31:12 I wonder if there are Nokia specific changes that I need to apply :/ Jan 24 06:35:41 morning... Jan 24 06:36:20 anyone here got a call from Nokia customer service about them messing up with the value of the coupon ? Jan 24 07:10:23 glass: if you work on gemrb i can send you a full set of original Baldur's Gate CDs Jan 24 07:11:27 atari has also released a 4 DVD set of the full BG series, selling for around 12 euro in .de Jan 24 07:18:54 hey guys Jan 24 07:19:07 hi Jan 24 07:19:07 how hard is it to make an applet for the front screen in maemo Jan 24 07:27:38 cbx33: not hard Jan 24 07:27:48 it's called "home" Jan 24 07:28:45 http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/writing_hildon_desktop_plug-ins_for_maemo.html#home-plugins Jan 24 07:28:55 cut'n'paste Jan 24 07:29:39 any weather app for os2008? Jan 24 07:29:47 omweather Jan 24 07:29:54 desktop applet Jan 24 07:30:02 morning all, dudes Jan 24 07:30:51 hahlo: http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008 -> search "weather" Jan 24 07:35:34 kulve: tried apt-cache search weather or omweather didn't find any Jan 24 07:37:11 hahlo, search on the web page: http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008 Jan 24 07:37:26 it's probably in a repository that you don't have yet Jan 24 07:38:37 that can be if some new repository has come Jan 24 07:39:57 the repository has been around for a long time, but if you Jan 24 07:40:36 but, if you don't see the omweather in the results of apt-cache search weather, then you don't have it yet :) Jan 24 07:42:31 omweather is nice... that + rss reader and I feel like I'm reading a newspaper :) Jan 24 07:44:17 yeah it's cool...effortless info Jan 24 07:54:00 weirdness... Jan 24 07:54:32 Lynoure, I couldn't get omweather to work properly Jan 24 07:55:00 When I click on that Install now, and choose open, I get an error message "yhteensopimaton sovellutuspakkaus" ("uncompatible application package") Jan 24 07:55:39 looks like suomi to me :-) Jan 24 07:56:38 sxpert: it is... that's why I also translated it. Jan 24 07:57:07 is that how it didn't work properly for you? Jan 24 07:57:44 so I got this call from some nokia customer service person, asking if I had received my n810 and informing me that they messed up with the coupon, it being for 499 when it should have been for only 400 Jan 24 07:58:05 Lynoure, no, I couldn't find how to add my location Jan 24 07:59:11 that call was pretty awkward Jan 24 07:59:25 sxpert: what country did you order-in Jan 24 07:59:58 fr Jan 24 08:00:22 him "erh, well, we messed up yada yada" Jan 24 08:00:34 me "erh, well, you know, it's not really *my* problem" Jan 24 08:00:46 him "erh, sure, well, erh, goodbye" Jan 24 08:01:10 strange Jan 24 08:01:30 like the blood drive calling....can you spare a few pints? There is a shortage... Jan 24 08:02:52 suspicious, even Jan 24 08:03:16 pupnik, totally wierd Jan 24 08:03:58 guess they'll have to swallow it... Jan 24 08:05:17 the german discount was also full price Jan 24 08:05:37 pupnik, heh. did you get a call yet ? Jan 24 08:05:41 no Jan 24 08:05:50 wierd Jan 24 08:07:28 so this leads me to question whether it was really an independent mistake of the french store, and whether that call was legitimate Jan 24 08:08:29 hmm, I'm now having the same "Connecting..." connecting difficulties that I had with OS2007 before fiddling with some settings on the command line, but I no longer remember what those settings were Jan 24 08:11:02 probably caused by LaFonera being a hateful AP Jan 24 08:13:01 if anyone wants to test Tennix (a 2D tennis game) on OS2008, here's the link to the package I've just released: http://icculus.org/tennix/maemo/ it's not as fast as it should be, but single-player mode works and is quite fun Jan 24 08:14:23 Lynoure, look no further. get yourself a buffalo and run openwrt Jan 24 08:15:44 openwrt is fantastic, I highly recommend it as well. Jan 24 08:16:04 sxpert: unfortunately I kinda like getting to use other ppl's fon APs, and would not want to have yet another device (replacement is ok, addition annoying) Jan 24 08:16:55 sxpert: Do you think this could be safely tried on OS2008: gconftool-2 --set --type int '/system/osso/connectivity/IAP/wlan_sleep_timeout' Jan 24 08:17:10 no idea Jan 24 08:18:59 '1000' got cut off the end Jan 24 08:34:26 didn't seem to break anything at least Jan 24 08:36:47 hmm Jan 24 08:36:55 my n800 is stuck at the boot screen Jan 24 08:42:07 http://thismight.be/offensive/uploads/2008/01/23/image/Rambo%20deaths%20chart.jpg Jan 24 08:42:09 hups Jan 24 08:58:47 hmm, I cannot figure out either how to add weather station to OS2008 OMWeather Jan 24 08:59:21 The drop menus for country and stuff just do not work Jan 24 09:05:57 where do I put the key { ... } things in the file in this post? -> http://www.thisismobility.com/blog/2007/12/31/adding-pipe-and-tab-to-the-n810-keyboard/ Jan 24 09:07:56 Lynoure: reboot Jan 24 09:08:18 back Jan 24 09:09:29 in what repository omweather supposed to be? Jan 24 09:09:29 b0unc3: I'll do that later, but thanks for the hint. Jan 24 09:09:33 Gotta run now Jan 24 09:09:48 hi Lynoure and bye Jan 24 09:09:54 Lynoure: np Jan 24 09:10:22 hahlo: maemo extras iirc Jan 24 09:11:02 b0unc3: ok I check if I have that Jan 24 09:13:44 Morning, all Jan 24 09:15:01 LoCusF: ~/.xmodmap Jan 24 09:15:28 heya jaffa... Jan 24 09:16:08 maddler: /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr/rx-44 <- I meant this Jan 24 09:31:23 Hi Jan 24 09:32:37 I have an application made for N810 and made a .deb. But when i am going to install it in the device then it tries to install but lastly it shows that "Unable to install" Jan 24 09:32:49 Is there any body who can assist me.. Jan 24 09:33:03 about what are the reasons for causing this Jan 24 09:33:20 There are no dependencies Jan 24 09:33:46 all dependencies are installed Jan 24 09:33:46 wrong architecture (i386, x86_64) in the package description for example Jan 24 09:34:13 yes Jan 24 09:34:34 Jan 24 09:37:05 all your dependencies are belong Jan 24 09:38:42 can anyone here point me to a listing of bluetooth devices (headsets/headphones) that are compatible with the n800/os2008? Jan 24 09:38:57 all dependencies are already installed Jan 24 09:39:03 pupmik! Jan 24 09:39:17 it is not problem of dependencies Jan 24 09:39:22 pupnik! Jan 24 09:39:49 bon dia / good morning Jan 24 09:40:48 sarower: check the section Jan 24 09:41:05 what can be a reason for this? I'm copying 170MB file from N810 to the server. First 22MB transfers with 400KB/s.. and on this 22MB mark, the transfer stalls. Jan 24 09:41:54 which section: pupnik? Jan 24 09:41:55 debian/control section: needs to begin with user/ Jan 24 09:41:59 oil, maybe it's the wifi connection crapping out Jan 24 09:42:01 in the rules file? Jan 24 09:42:25 Section: user/Connectivity e.g. Jan 24 09:42:27 http://oil.iki.fi/tmp/dmesg-errors.txt Jan 24 09:42:27 control Jan 24 09:42:32 ok pupnik! Jan 24 09:43:07 here it is: "user/other" pupnik! Jan 24 09:43:07 lech: that might be. but this has happened several times. Jan 24 09:43:37 I also tried to upload to a different server, but with same wifi ap. also tried to reinstall the table firmware Jan 24 09:43:57 what this portion should be? in the rules file? Jan 24 09:44:26 install: build Jan 24 09:44:26 dh_testdir Jan 24 09:44:26 dh_testroot Jan 24 09:44:26 dh_clean -k Jan 24 09:44:26 dh_installdirs Jan 24 09:44:27 # Add here commands to install the package into debian/linja-context09. Jan 24 09:44:28 oil, no idea then. my guess would be AP dropping the signal Jan 24 09:44:29 $(MAKE) DESTDIR=$(CURDIR)/debian/linja-context09 install Jan 24 09:44:36 $(MAKE) DESTDIR=$(CURDIR)/debian/linja-context09 install? Jan 24 09:44:39 or] Jan 24 09:44:49 $(MAKE) nstall DESTDIR=$(CURDIR)/debian/linja-context09 ? Jan 24 09:45:20 lech: that might be, but I haven noticed the same situation with other devices in my home Jan 24 09:46:24 and after this. I can not copy anything with ssh before the next reboot Jan 24 09:46:53 sorry scp.. ssh itself works fine Jan 24 09:47:17 yeah, it could be anything then. My AP likes to reboot at random sometimes and I only caught it once. Otherwise it looks like a slight pause and things recover Jan 24 09:48:36 sarower: check application manager's log file to see exact error during install Jan 24 09:48:58 I ment that I need to reboot n810 to make it work again. the accesspoint seems to be ok. Jan 24 09:49:03 oil, you wouldn't happen to know where a wiki or other kind of entry would be hiding that lists compatible bluetooth headsets for the n8xx, would you? Jan 24 09:49:07 actually if there is any log it would be helpful Jan 24 09:49:17 but there is no such.. at that time Jan 24 09:49:34 lech: sorry, I don't know. Jan 24 09:49:44 :\ Jan 24 09:50:11 oil, what mode is the AP running in with what kind of security? Jan 24 09:50:42 lech: Accesspoint 11g, wep 64 Jan 24 09:51:05 can you create virtual interfaces on it? Jan 24 09:52:04 lech: I had before, well with same parameters Jan 24 09:52:13 but I can. Jan 24 09:52:35 try WPA with tkip Jan 24 09:53:14 i've noticed that my n800/os2008 seems to hate AP's with WEP security Jan 24 09:55:16 I'll try first without any security.. well the SSID is defined as 'virusfeeder' :) Jan 24 09:56:14 your call, I'd hide the SSID or something. but WPA with tkip seems to work well on my end Jan 24 09:57:38 you can just as well use no security as wep anyway :) Jan 24 09:57:43 speed jumped to 530KB/s. Jan 24 09:58:52 oil, yeah no overhead for decrypton Jan 24 09:59:08 it's good in a bad way Jan 24 09:59:18 ok. it has now tranfered 65MB. seems like the wep was the cause. Jan 24 09:59:35 try changing it up to WPA with tkip now Jan 24 09:59:55 thanks for the help! Then I'll need to change the settings on all the devices Jan 24 10:00:29 np. just try to tighten the AP, don't want to leave it open like that Jan 24 10:00:52 [OT] anybody knows if the Intel X3100 video card in the latest ThinkPads works fine with Linux? Jan 24 10:01:04 i.e. NO fiddling with drivers Jan 24 10:01:18 hmm. AP (kamikaze) offers WPA(PSK) and WPA(PSK2) Jan 24 10:01:32 psk2? Jan 24 10:01:40 wpa2(psk) Jan 24 10:01:43 ;) Jan 24 10:01:46 sorry, WPA2(PSK) :) Jan 24 10:01:52 hehe.. Jan 24 10:01:55 wpa2 will be fine Jan 24 10:02:30 I am using kamikaze too and everything works great... Jan 24 10:03:07 I'm lucky tought. the lady is not in home.. she is not always so happy whan I 'do just a little fix..' and then nothing works for couple of hours ;) Jan 24 10:03:23 hehe Jan 24 10:09:18 hello, is there a try icon for pidgin? i cant find the config Jan 24 10:12:03 also wpa2 works fine now. Jan 24 10:15:07 good deal Jan 24 10:15:18 eichi, don't think so Jan 24 10:15:38 I read about "Erminig" several times, but cannot find it on gronmayer. Any hints? Jan 24 10:16:08 hello pupnik: here the error in the app manager is: dpkg: error processing linja-context09 (--install) Jan 24 10:16:51 subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 Jan 24 10:17:05 pupnik? Jan 24 10:17:54 or any bodu others? Jan 24 10:19:00 body* Jan 24 10:23:11 ah so there's a postinstall script. postinst.ex? Jan 24 10:23:24 i don't know sarower, good luck Jan 24 10:36:22 rtcom updated... reboot loop is gone! :D Jan 24 10:44:12 dumping people like crazy left and right Jan 24 10:44:50 maddler: Naah, I'll wait until it's available without rp mode ;) Jan 24 10:46:40 pupnik, Jan 24 10:46:46 sup unique311 Jan 24 10:47:04 i just release xgngeo frontend. Jan 24 10:47:22 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=132940#post132940 Jan 24 10:47:27 congratulations! Jan 24 10:47:37 screens vids how-tos Jan 24 10:48:26 I freaking hildon the damn thing, finally. I think fully at that. Jan 24 10:48:36 well no fullscreen yet. Jan 24 10:48:56 excellent post with the screenshots Jan 24 10:49:06 is there any reason to build-in fullscreen? Jan 24 10:49:28 not sure, xmaeme does fullscreen. Jan 24 10:49:38 so i figure why not, its a frontend also. Jan 24 10:49:42 no reason really. Jan 24 10:50:41 If i can put the little knowledge i have now on hildon, maybe I can do the same for mtpaint. Jan 24 10:50:51 yeah Jan 24 10:51:20 morning Jan 24 10:51:32 bout to work on a game, i wanted to release, and then i'll work on mtpaint Jan 24 10:51:54 is it normal for the status bar to alwa Jan 24 10:51:59 is it normal for the status bar to always say 'charging' when the n800 is plugged in? or should it change to 'charged' after a while? Jan 24 10:53:16 jackster, it should be solid after its fully charged Jan 24 10:53:28 maddler: are you sure the new rtcomm works? should I go and install it? should I trust you? :) Jan 24 10:54:23 hmmm, i left it charging overnight there and it still said it was charging when I got up Jan 24 10:55:36 hello Jan 24 10:55:41 do you know why i get this Jan 24 10:55:42 http://paste.debian.net/47586 Jan 24 10:55:54 jackster: i have the same problem with my 770 since I installed os2007 HE Jan 24 10:56:13 michele: I installed it and tested... Jan 24 10:56:18 *seems* to work... Jan 24 10:56:37 giskard: your are not good! :D Jan 24 10:56:47 giskard: #maemo-it Jan 24 10:56:49 maddler, please provide a solutiot Jan 24 10:56:57 we have a maemo-it irc channel Jan 24 10:57:44 hehehe... Jan 24 10:58:00 what's the problem with that mount stuff? Jan 24 10:58:35 i'm not able to exec apps stored in /media/mmc2 Jan 24 10:58:44 i have to change fmask and dmask Jan 24 10:58:47 fugitivo, Jan 24 10:58:49 fugitivo, i've only ever used os2008 on the n800, updated as soon as I got it. just wondering if this could be dangerous or shorten the life of the battery Jan 24 10:59:23 jackster: well, mine is 2 years old, so the battery life is real short Jan 24 11:00:39 fugitivo, you think that's just age or related to the charging thg? Jan 24 11:00:47 thing* Jan 24 11:03:02 giskard: no clue Jan 24 11:03:21 maddler, bah you are useless Jan 24 11:03:55 giskard: you can't execute anything from the mmcN cards by default Jan 24 11:04:00 they're mounted 'noexec' Jan 24 11:04:22 ccooke, i know, i've alread removed this option Jan 24 11:04:34 if you take a look at the link you should not see it Jan 24 11:04:36 This is because they are formatted with the FAT filesystem, which doesn't have the concept of an "execute" mode Jan 24 11:05:27 giskard: okay. so you just need to set the fmask to 022 Jan 24 11:05:34 0022, even Jan 24 11:05:43 giskard: envy! Jan 24 11:05:44 :D Jan 24 11:06:19 the execute bit is octal 1 and [fdu]mask works by masking (preventing the setting of) the bits you specify Jan 24 11:06:40 so an fmask of 0133 prevents all files from having the execute bit. Jan 24 11:06:42 so i'm wrong if i set it at 0777 Jan 24 11:06:47 to* Jan 24 11:06:59 yes, that'll get you a load of files with mode 000 Jan 24 11:07:13 can anyone here point me to a listing of bluetooth devices (headsets/headphones) that are compatible with the n800/os2008? Jan 24 11:07:30 1 = execute, 2 = write, 4 = read Jan 24 11:08:37 lech: dunno... try searching on Internet Tablet Talk's forum Jan 24 11:08:41 they're added together - so 0755 (produced by a mask of 0022) means execute, read, write for the owner, execute and read for everyone else Jan 24 11:09:38 ok Jan 24 11:09:43 but it doesn't work :( Jan 24 11:09:51 o remounted it with fmask=002 Jan 24 11:09:52 2 Jan 24 11:09:57 and i always get 0133 Jan 24 11:10:20 I suspect you can't change that option on the fly Jan 24 11:10:42 umount mount it again Jan 24 11:10:42 ok Jan 24 11:10:48 going to try Jan 24 11:13:24 Nokia-N810-50-2:/media# mount -t vfat /dev/mmcblk0p1 /media/mmc2 -o uid=29999,fmask=0022,dmask=0000,codepage=cp437,iocharset=iso8859-1,shortname=mixed,utf8 /dev/mmcblk0p1 Jan 24 11:13:24 BusyBox v1.6.1 (2007-09-27 18:08:59 EEST) multi-call binary Jan 24 11:13:24 Usage: mount [flags] DEVICE NODE [-o options,more-options] Jan 24 11:13:24 *** glibc detected *** -sh: corrupted double-linked list: 0x00052ed8 *** Jan 24 11:13:24 Connection to 10.0.0.2 closed. Jan 24 11:13:27 [12:13][giskard@piton:~/varie]$ Jan 24 11:13:29 uhuu Jan 24 11:14:33 ccooke, ok found the error Jan 24 11:16:30 giskard: working? Jan 24 11:16:37 yes Jan 24 11:16:42 i guess Jan 24 11:21:05 sorry for the noob question, but where can i get source of the keyboard program for the n800 (or any other information on programming my own keyboard program)? Jan 24 11:34:54 Has anyone got a ruby-maemo .deb file lying around? Version 0.3 or above would be great. Jan 24 11:48:14 Spakman, just spent 10 minutes looking - can't find one Jan 24 11:56:13 Spakman: my tablets were offline too, sry Jan 24 12:14:17 Nermal, solmumaha - thanks for looking Jan 24 12:30:06 I wish the notes app would open more than one window .. Jan 24 12:49:28 alterego: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156415 Jan 24 12:50:49 What's that got to do with Maemo and the Notes application? Jan 24 13:07:27 alterego: heheh, wrong channel :P Jan 24 13:09:34 seems like all the pygtk documentation/tutorials that I'm finding are back from 2004-2005 Jan 24 13:22:42 hi all Jan 24 13:22:54 Hi Jan 24 13:25:27 wiii Jan 24 13:25:32 N810 is soooo awesome! Jan 24 13:25:48 the amsn dev fella made packages for it Jan 24 13:25:52 works..with webcam and all Jan 24 13:25:54 ;-D Jan 24 13:26:20 and I found out that...they are working on a port of wxGTK which xchm uses Jan 24 13:26:28 still minor issues but they are getting there Jan 24 13:26:31 ;-D Jan 24 13:26:34 Msn with webcam? Jan 24 13:26:38 yes Jan 24 13:27:00 the led even goes read...but Im not sure what handles that... Jan 24 13:27:09 might be kernel related Jan 24 13:27:37 hmm, msn + video Jan 24 13:27:43 sounds good Jan 24 13:27:58 Where can i find this amsn? Jan 24 13:28:27 lardman, I need to test it with a mate Jan 24 13:28:32 but should be fine Jan 24 13:28:34 ;-} Jan 24 13:28:41 Hfgklouggh, hold Jan 24 13:29:25 http://www.amsn-project.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3659 Jan 24 13:29:50 Thx Jan 24 13:29:55 pleasure Jan 24 13:29:56 <|tbb|> hi all Jan 24 13:29:57 ;-D Jan 24 13:30:33 <|tbb|> how easy/hard is it to compile that src for chinook? http://www.cobb.uk.net/apt/dists/mistral/user/source/dbus-scripts_1.0-2.tar.gz Jan 24 13:30:56 We used aMSN when I ran a Linux-based Internet cafe for a week at a scout camp. I don't know anything about MSN on Windows, but I could see that noone had problems with using aMSN, so it must be similar enough to MSN. Jan 24 13:32:21 in a cafe you could just tell people to use meebo Jan 24 13:32:30 does meebo run on the microb btw? meebo.com Jan 24 13:32:47 THat internet cafe was actually a great experience in how user-friendly you could make Linux. There was only a very few die-hard WIndows fans that actually complained about how we sucked for running Windows. *And* we had a money-back-no-questions-asked-policy if you didn't get done what you came for. Jan 24 13:32:54 so now I have xchat, amsn, fbreader Jan 24 13:33:00 ohh I require abiword Jan 24 13:33:01 ! Jan 24 13:33:04 * LinuxCode finds Jan 24 13:33:21 Veggen: what distro did you use? Jan 24 13:37:56 fugitivo: Can't remember, think it was Debian. Jan 24 13:38:04 yah, pretty sure. Jan 24 13:38:40 and gnome? Jan 24 13:38:41 fugitivo: But a well-configured Linux-box *is* userfriendly. The experience told me that. Jan 24 13:39:03 i know, my mother uses linux (she's 65 years old) Jan 24 13:39:12 fugitivo: actually I think we used kde for the kiosk-mode-stuff. Jan 24 13:40:00 http://wxwidgets.blogspot.com/2007/11/hildonizing-wxgtk.html Jan 24 13:40:03 fugitivo: I don't push it too aggressively myself, but from what I understand, if you end up being the support-person anyways, you save yourself a lot of trouble by giving them Linux. Jan 24 13:40:04 lets hope somebody does it Jan 24 13:40:06 ;-D Jan 24 13:40:13 I find ubuntu to be a great user-friendly linux distro out of the box Jan 24 13:40:24 I prefer fedora Jan 24 13:40:50 incidently...fedora also has a project going now for arm Jan 24 13:40:54 fugitivo: I prefer ubuntu on the desktop myself, nowadays, although I'm an old-timer with experience from the old Slackware-on-diskette-set-days. Jan 24 13:40:55 Veggen: she was using Windows, and I was always helping her to remove virus, spyware and all that weird things Jan 24 13:41:02 hi, does someone know does Nokia warranty is valid in whole Europe? Jan 24 13:41:09 fugitivo: Pretty classical. Jan 24 13:41:11 <|tbb|> who can please take a look at the source of the url ive posted and answer my question Jan 24 13:41:16 hrw, should be Jan 24 13:41:19 European law Jan 24 13:41:28 Veggen: I'm very oldschool also, I started with slack and diskettes :) Jan 24 13:41:51 LinuxCode: I wonder does nokia service in Poland will be capable of repairs ;D Jan 24 13:41:52 Veggen: moved from slack to redhat, to debian, to gentoo, to linux from scratch (yes, i know), now I use ubuntu for my desktop Jan 24 13:41:52 Europe = EEA Jan 24 13:42:09 hrw, dunno..but wherever you bought it.. Jan 24 13:42:16 they should honour warrantly Jan 24 13:42:16 i've learned that my desktop must be simple and easy Jan 24 13:42:25 after 60 days or so its Nokias responsibility anyway Jan 24 13:42:41 hrw: I went to an "official Nokia shop" with my old 770 with WSOD. Jan 24 13:42:59 hrw: (I'd bought it directly from Nokia on the net) Jan 24 13:43:08 Veggen: nokia does not sell tablets in Poland Jan 24 13:43:21 Veggen, you in the US ? Jan 24 13:43:23 Veggen: so they may even do not support it even at warranty level Jan 24 13:44:01 ahh Norway Jan 24 13:44:41 LinuxCode: yah. Jan 24 13:44:45 ;-} Jan 24 13:44:57 I have to buy a new wlan AP Jan 24 13:45:21 it appears that any wpa net wont work proper with my devices Jan 24 13:45:30 not sure why that is Jan 24 13:45:50 my old AP is like 6+ years old Jan 24 13:47:16 Hmm. I should do some hardware upgrades in my firewall/access point too...I only have 802.11b now, a good old prism2.5-card in access point mode on my OpenBSD-based firewall. Jan 24 13:48:38 Veggen, do you get packet loss on your N810 Jan 24 13:48:39 ? Jan 24 13:48:44 if you use your AP ? Jan 24 13:49:02 Can someone compile truecrypt? www.truecrypt.org Jan 24 13:49:19 LinuxCode: I turned off powersaving-stuff on my home network. Jan 24 13:49:30 ? Jan 24 13:49:32 Didn't work very well with it, no. Jan 24 13:49:36 k Jan 24 13:49:44 Im getting intermittent packet loss Jan 24 13:49:49 how old is your AP ? Jan 24 13:49:55 LinuxCode: old :) Jan 24 13:49:58 k Jan 24 13:50:00 and self-built. Jan 24 13:50:01 is there some magic solution for persisting gtk or hildon app states? Jan 24 13:50:05 might be a linux issue with wpa etc.. Jan 24 13:50:12 no wpa on it. Jan 24 13:50:17 yes I know Jan 24 13:50:25 mine has it neither Jan 24 13:50:29 hence Im saying Jan 24 13:50:52 now I have to find a wlan AP+pc-card that works in linux hehe Jan 24 13:51:25 hopefully one that doesnt need a firmware Jan 24 13:51:30 * LinuxCode find that ugly Jan 24 13:51:42 s/find/finds/ Jan 24 13:52:09 Or is there an encryption software available for maemo? Jan 24 13:52:23 i wonder if it has dm Jan 24 13:52:43 * LinuxCode opens terminal Jan 24 13:52:54 Hfgklouggh: ccrypt and bcrypt Jan 24 13:53:01 they are for CLI use Jan 24 13:53:26 Ok, like truecrypt Jan 24 13:53:43 i always forget Jan 24 13:54:06 hmm Jan 24 13:54:51 no idea Jan 24 13:54:52 hehe Jan 24 13:55:04 be nice if it had dm support and then ya could use dm-crypt Jan 24 13:55:05 ;-p Jan 24 13:55:12 but I bet that would be a cpu killer Jan 24 13:55:31 Where can i find ccrypt and bcrypt Jan 24 13:55:51 Unless you can use the hardware aes option ;) Jan 24 13:56:13 X-Fade_, the spu has built in aes crypto ? Jan 24 13:56:16 cpu Jan 24 13:56:31 OMAP architecture has an AES hardware accelerator. Jan 24 13:56:35 woah Jan 24 13:56:37 awesome! Jan 24 13:56:39 hahah Jan 24 13:56:40 Not that we will ever be able to use it.. Jan 24 13:56:41 ;-DDDDDDDDDDD Jan 24 13:56:51 never ever say never Jan 24 13:56:53 ;-p Jan 24 13:56:59 you never know.. Jan 24 13:57:05 We will never get the detailed specs for that.. Jan 24 13:57:23 did that ever stop linux devs ? Jan 24 13:57:25 ;-p Jan 24 13:57:26 lol Jan 24 13:57:35 Hfgklouggh: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9578&highlight=bcrypt Jan 24 13:57:38 Never. Jan 24 13:57:41 But then again. We also want IVA, PowerVR etc. Jan 24 13:58:04 Which we also are never going to get unless some serious money is payed to TI. Jan 24 13:58:34 But the cpu supports it all. You just need to know how to activate and use it.. Jan 24 13:59:36 X-Fade_: i suspect a link gets blown if you havn't paid for the license when you order the chips Jan 24 13:59:57 I cant install ccrypt and bcrypt on os2008 Jan 24 14:00:10 Not compatible Jan 24 14:00:19 robtaylor: Could be, but I just think that you are not allowed to use it. (By contract) Jan 24 14:00:47 Or do i have to go into red pill mode? Jan 24 14:01:22 robtaylor: They use the same cpu in other Nokia phones. And symbian does support the features. I don't think Nokia orders a few cpus separately for the tablets. Jan 24 14:01:54 Hfgklouggh: find out how to get a root access and then run dpkg -i *crypt*.deb in the directory you downloaded them Jan 24 14:02:24 Ahh, ok thx Jan 24 14:02:24 robtaylor: And the internet tablets are really just a few if you compare it to the 100M phones they ship every quarter ;) Jan 24 14:04:55 It works now Jan 24 14:05:19 X-Fade_: could be =) Jan 24 14:05:41 Hi Jan 24 14:13:05 guys: how much time does English service has for warranty repair? Jan 24 14:14:02 English service? Jan 24 14:14:03 my English is out of warranty Jan 24 14:14:49 Cymor-Work: if I buy n810 in england and it will broke - how much time nokia has to repair it Jan 24 14:15:12 hrw, in the Uk Jan 24 14:15:26 warrantly is with the retailer for the first 30-60 days Jan 24 14:15:35 then its nokias responsiblity Jan 24 14:15:46 -l Jan 24 14:15:52 god my typing is useless today Jan 24 14:15:57 and how long nokia can take device from me to repair it? Jan 24 14:16:06 in Poland it is 3 weeks max Jan 24 14:16:08 i dont think theres a limit Jan 24 14:16:18 not sure about that one Jan 24 14:17:04 ok Jan 24 14:19:50 anybody took apart an N810 and took pictures of the boards? Jan 24 14:20:57 an off-topic question I guess - can the n800/n810 play midi files? Jan 24 14:21:30 liri, good one Jan 24 14:21:32 never tried Jan 24 14:21:34 hehe Jan 24 14:22:06 liri: with additional software it should Jan 24 14:22:11 timidity for example Jan 24 14:24:37 uh. any compiz/ubuntu-desktop-experts here. Jan 24 14:24:47 Veggen: what do you need? Jan 24 14:25:01 to get back normal resolution again! Jan 24 14:25:11 ? Jan 24 14:25:13 suddenly I got into an enlarged mode. Jan 24 14:25:23 what video card are you running? Jan 24 14:25:58 shift-ctrl and + or - ? Jan 24 14:26:07 or what was that default keycombo for cycling between video modes Jan 24 14:26:18 glass: i dont think that will work.. mine did the same recently.. after an update. Jan 24 14:26:24 and to do a fresh install.... Jan 24 14:26:33 i even tried making a new xorg.conf Jan 24 14:26:35 nogo.. Jan 24 14:26:50 and it is the + - of the numberkey.. Jan 24 14:27:11 it was some key combo that I pressed accidently, but it wasn't alt/ctrl-+/- Jan 24 14:27:13 huh Jan 24 14:27:20 maybe some accessability combo then Jan 24 14:27:29 yah, that was my guess. Jan 24 14:29:14 hrmf, i knew i would regret getting a cheaper keyboard. seems that freedom have remapped in their drivers the > key (im using a scandinavian keyboard) onto what is normally the ' key... Jan 24 14:29:32 so when using HID i get ' when it hit what is marked with < Jan 24 14:29:37 hey all Jan 24 14:30:10 xrandr -s 0 ? Jan 24 14:30:16 sure, i could use altgr+shift+z but that only gives me <, if i want > i should in theory use x but that gives me nothing (either a limit in the chip or bluetooth, dont know) Jan 24 14:31:11 LinuxCode: incorrect, in the UK the Sales of Goods Act says the retailer is responsible always (usually up to about 7 years). Manufacturers may offer additional warranties on top of that, but a purchaser's first point of call should always be the retailer in lieu of anything better. Jan 24 14:31:28 That's probably for hrw too :) Jan 24 14:31:49 anyone else playing with debian on n8x0? Jan 24 14:31:51 they usually direct you to the manufacturer though Jan 24 14:31:57 as EU law came into force Jan 24 14:32:02 European warranty Jan 24 14:32:04 etc.. Jan 24 14:32:12 hich is probably better anyway Jan 24 14:32:15 which* Jan 24 14:32:28 hmm, maybe i should sit down, learn python and write up a gui xmodmap... Jan 24 14:32:29 LinuxCode: true, but IIRC you don't have to let them push you on to the manufacturer - but as you say, it's often better. Jan 24 14:32:52 Jaffa, thanks for that though Jan 24 14:33:05 t_s_o, for what? Jan 24 14:33:22 so i can remap that damn bluetooth keyboard key, or something... Jan 24 14:34:01 still, if i could access the soft keyboard while having a bluetooth keyboard active, i would be happy. its not like im planning to write html on this :P Jan 24 14:35:39 i just cant help wonder why they "moved" the key without moving the actual wiring, should have been that hard. but i guess its a reason why its cheaper then the nokia keyboard... Jan 24 14:37:39 ah, lol Jan 24 14:39:42 hrw: are you sure that this is now a hardware required issue? I believe the on board sound blaster should support it as well, plus there are probably drivers required Jan 24 14:39:54 even on my desktop there are problems playing a midi file Jan 24 14:41:06 anyone know the specifics on how Xomap uses the hw buttons? Jan 24 14:41:20 ie. where the configuration is Jan 24 15:02:46 someone know a python tool to synchronize a local folder with an ftp ... (and a sync ... not just get ftp content) Jan 24 15:02:48 ? Jan 24 15:03:42 Khertan, rsync over ftpfs? ;-) Jan 24 15:05:01 hmm, sorry for sounding incredibly dense but how do you remove the battery from an N800? Jan 24 15:05:23 pull? :P Jan 24 15:05:29 lophyte: you are one of those who made the debian port? Jan 24 15:05:33 I'm trying :( Jan 24 15:05:38 b0unc3, no I just mirror it Jan 24 15:05:42 johnx did all the work Jan 24 15:05:49 jackster: errrr, read the manual before braking something :) Jan 24 15:06:45 lophyte: ok Jan 24 15:06:57 b0unc3, why do you ask? Jan 24 15:07:15 fugitivo: it doesn't seem to say much about removing the battery Jan 24 15:07:16 jackster: you need a little leverage Jan 24 15:07:22 lophyte: I have a problem with dpkg-repack Jan 24 15:07:26 jackster, just tap it lightly on your palm. Jan 24 15:07:36 b0unc3, ah, I didn't install it that way, I just used the tarball Jan 24 15:07:43 Hinges from the contact point. Jan 24 15:07:46 So tap on the edge. Jan 24 15:07:48 aha, GeneralAntilles you are a genius Jan 24 15:08:21 lophyte: ok np, I will wait johnx :P Jan 24 15:08:25 hehe Jan 24 15:08:51 I'm trying to figure out how to get the hw buttons working Jan 24 15:09:15 lophyte: interesting... Jan 24 15:11:23 lophyte: xev doesn't print events? Jan 24 15:11:44 Someone figure out how to utilize the headphone remote controller that come with nokia phones plskthx ;) Jan 24 15:12:21 Khertan: I believe there is an rsync UI available on the repositories already Jan 24 15:12:38 and there are rsyncd servers available for everything imaginable. Jan 24 15:12:43 ftp doesn't sync. Jan 24 15:12:54 (as efficiently..) Jan 24 15:13:24 cizarro> rsync don't work with ftp ... Jan 24 15:13:35 and as i only have ftp ... no shell account Jan 24 15:13:36 the problem is ftp. ftp is horrible. Jan 24 15:13:41 you don't need shell for rsync.. Jan 24 15:13:53 you would probably be better using 'wget' on some other machine to --mirror the ftp Jan 24 15:14:00 fysa>yes ftp is horrible ! Jan 24 15:14:04 ftp is better than using http for file transfers, still ;) Jan 24 15:14:05 Khertan, over ftpsh Jan 24 15:14:09 ftpfs even. Jan 24 15:14:11 then rsyncing from the other machine. Jan 24 15:14:12 Blafasel > lol Jan 24 15:14:25 unless you don't mind retransfering entire files that have slight changes Jan 24 15:14:35 then wget --mirror will be fine Jan 24 15:14:43 wget mirror ... Jan 24 15:14:52 wget works with ftp:// Jan 24 15:15:25 so ... two wget one for get, one for push ... and a rsync in the middle ? Jan 24 15:15:34 ouch ... Jan 24 15:15:51 i think i should make a simple python script to do the job Jan 24 15:16:14 you could do it with just wget, but you have to know ahead of time which server has the 'correct version' of something Jan 24 15:16:27 Khertan, rsync + ftpfs.. bleh. Jan 24 15:16:31 fysa > i ll always know .. :) Jan 24 15:16:38 ftpfs ? Jan 24 15:16:41 what that , Jan 24 15:16:42 ? Jan 24 15:16:50 fuse module that allows to mount ftp Jan 24 15:16:57 then run rsync "locally" against a local directory Jan 24 15:17:03 available on OS2008 ? Jan 24 15:17:09 really? rsync works with ftpfs? Jan 24 15:17:10 ah, probably not Jan 24 15:17:25 fysa, why wouldn't it work? rsync works between two mount points just fine Jan 24 15:17:35 just not very optimal Jan 24 15:17:39 limitations in the ftp protocol I thought Jan 24 15:18:10 Blafasel, no Jan 24 15:18:16 i.e., how do you update a few bytes in the middle of a file without rewriting the entire thing Jan 24 15:18:24 you can't Jan 24 15:18:34 Blafasel, getkeys works though, so Xomap isn't getting them Jan 24 15:18:35 right, and I just realized that you would just use it without that. Jan 24 15:18:39 :) Jan 24 15:18:58 why no ssh, Khertan? Jan 24 15:19:02 web host? Jan 24 15:19:25 is anyone using syncml for syncronization? Jan 24 15:19:53 not yet, but I am just looking into it. Jan 24 15:19:55 you can *update* a few bytes in the middle without rewriting the whole thing; you just can't *add* a few bytes in the middle without rewriting everything after that ;-) Jan 24 15:20:12 heh Jan 24 15:20:32 I think its a matter of connecting Xomap with hald Jan 24 15:20:41 since there's a hal daemon listening on the input devices Jan 24 15:21:16 Tak, using FTP? Jan 24 15:22:30 dd over ssh? You update any single byte you want :) Jan 24 15:23:19 assuming you can have shell access on the ftp host. Jan 24 15:24:06 cizarro: t Jan 24 15:26:43 and i ve only ftp. ... :( Jan 24 15:28:38 Khertan: do you know ncftp? Jan 24 15:29:07 tekonivel > no Jan 24 15:29:08 Khertan: can run batchjobs Jan 24 15:30:21 this seems to not be running on maemo ... Jan 24 15:30:30 and seems there is no source available Jan 24 15:30:46 oups ... i ve found source Jan 24 15:32:29 * alterego starts banging head on wall. Jan 24 15:32:48 Just got to nail DNS servers and I'm ready to bring rubyx back up >:( Jan 24 15:33:26 hooray! Jan 24 15:34:01 tekonivel> ncftp is able to sync a local dir on a distant ftp one ? Jan 24 15:34:05 I've been dreading the DNS configuration Tak .. Jan 24 15:34:15 anyone know if thunderbird runs on the 810? Jan 24 15:35:01 Anyhow, stuff to do .. Jan 24 15:36:06 ph|ber > lol ... no ... Jan 24 15:36:57 * Tak trying to find minimal-effort-required persistence solution Jan 24 15:38:44 correct me if Im wrong Jan 24 15:38:51 didnt N810 have a lftp ?!?! Jan 24 15:38:57 * LinuxCode checks dpkg Jan 24 15:39:47 gues not Jan 24 15:39:49 hehe Jan 24 15:40:39 no lftp ... Jan 24 15:40:44 but ncftp is available ... Jan 24 15:40:55 Khertan: the usefulness of ncftp are the ncftp{get,put} utilities Jan 24 15:41:09 yeah i see ... Jan 24 15:41:19 ugh, so close Jan 24 15:41:27 sftp? Jan 24 15:41:45 but it s not more difficult to put and get in python Jan 24 15:41:46 :) Jan 24 15:42:06 the main work is doing the sync process Jan 24 15:42:28 Khertan: :) that's right Jan 24 15:43:13 Khertan: so the files themselves change, not only contents of directories? Jan 24 15:44:59 hi @ all Jan 24 15:46:07 thopiekar: y0 Jan 24 15:46:28 tekonivel> yest Jan 24 15:48:09 hah letstalk just got around to telling me my n810 is backordered today -- the day it was supposed to arrive Jan 24 15:51:45 elb: it seems we all run the same luck Jan 24 15:51:55 we waited so long... and now the ETA is Feb 12 Jan 24 15:53:06 I don't mind the wait, particularly -- but it's annoying that they didn't tell me that when I placed my *order* Jan 24 15:54:01 it seems that they don't have an intelligent stock system... Jan 24 15:54:13 or demand is too high Jan 24 15:54:14 ;-p Jan 24 15:54:44 even if demand is too high, they should know they're out of inventory at the time of order Jan 24 15:54:45 yes, but if you have a realtime stock system you remove stock as people buy the device Jan 24 15:55:25 maybe they wait until payment is verified or similar Jan 24 15:55:47 that's wrong, they should remove the stock and if payment is not valid put the stock again Jan 24 15:55:53 it claimed payment was verified when I checked out Jan 24 15:56:04 really, it's a shady system Jan 24 15:56:10 there's not really any making excuses for it Jan 24 15:56:32 I'm not going to go off the deep end and blame nokia or say they ruined by life by giving me a free $350 or anything, like the kids on itt Jan 24 15:56:38 but letstalk is kind of ghetto nonetheless Jan 24 15:56:40 fugitivo: that would allow somebody to DoS the system ;-) Jan 24 15:57:13 only someone with a lot of valid credit card numbers ready to be denied Jan 24 15:57:22 which means ... someone easy to find and prosecute Jan 24 15:57:26 Tak: well, there are ways to prevent that without pissing off the customer Jan 24 15:57:57 credit card numbers use a simple checksum Jan 24 15:58:15 you can use a realtime service to check the credit card Jan 24 15:58:33 not only check if the number is valid Jan 24 15:58:43 javascript code is available even ;) Jan 24 15:58:50 Tak: but online retailers check in real time Jan 24 15:59:04 that services work with webservices and there're a lot of companies that offers that Jan 24 15:59:08 they know immediately whether or not your number exists and is associated with an active account Jan 24 15:59:12 walked in halfway here ... but letstalk made me jump through hoops to prove I was, err, *me*, when I ordered yesterday Jan 24 15:59:23 and they know within *seconds* or less, whether or not the order is going to go through Jan 24 15:59:31 has anyone tried tethering with a boost mobile prepaid? Jan 24 15:59:31 elb: that's what i'm talking about Jan 24 15:59:39 korpios: I have seen that from a lot of people, but I didn't have to tell them anything Jan 24 15:59:52 i did a lot of ecommerce development and I think letstalk is missing some basic features :) Jan 24 15:59:54 I used the online system, though, and lots of people seem to have called Jan 24 15:59:57 huh boost mobile is a real brand?-)) only saw it on athf Jan 24 16:00:10 elb: they had to run this whole system asking multiple-choice what addresses I've lived at before, etc Jan 24 16:00:17 once upon a time, I head there was a way to get 24/7 unlimited data tethering with a prepaid 'minutes' plan for $16/mo Jan 24 16:00:22 .. heard Jan 24 16:00:54 and, as far as letstalk's inventory ... I ordered early in the morning on Tuesday, when the codes went live, so I'm doubting many people (if any) actually received one that wasn't backordered Jan 24 16:00:55 Someone here knows Gnuit? (John) Jan 24 16:01:31 elb: me too, maybe they only had one device in stock :) Jan 24 16:01:53 lol ... that would figure. Jan 24 16:01:58 logout Jan 24 16:02:06 fugitivo: I'm guessing they didn't have any, they'd listed out of stock for days Jan 24 16:07:15 elb: that's playing with our illusion Jan 24 16:07:40 if there a way to setup alt-tab behaviour in OS2008? Or a keybinding to swap between xterm tabs? Jan 24 16:07:45 * Spakman crosses fingers Jan 24 16:08:23 Spakman, screen Jan 24 16:08:55 zoran: ah, of course! Thanks for making the obvious obvious to the blind! Jan 24 16:09:31 doesn't ctrl+pg(up|dn) work for tab-switching? Jan 24 16:10:07 Tak: I don't remember that working (but I'll try when I get back to my bluetooth keyboard) Jan 24 16:10:26 * Tak shrugs Jan 24 16:10:37 What about alt-tab type switching between applications? Jan 24 16:12:17 Spakman, matchbox conf file is probably your friend Jan 24 16:12:27 Spakman, no idea where it lives though :/ Jan 24 16:12:39 damn it... Jan 24 16:13:05 the keypad buttons don't like me Jan 24 16:13:34 nobody likes me *sniff* Jan 24 16:13:42 lol Jan 24 16:13:56 inz: thanks, I'll start digging :) Jan 24 16:16:35 Spakman: you could also use "matchbox-remote -next" ;) Jan 24 16:19:56 hmm, im starting to think that my problem with altgr+shift+x isnt a keyboard issue, but a tablet software issue... Jan 24 16:21:31 jott: thanks, could be a good one if I can't map combinations in Matchbox itself Jan 24 16:21:33 nope, its a keyboard issue after all. xev registers both the modifier keys but not the "more" key... Jan 24 16:23:54 xmodmap could help? Jan 24 16:25:33 Spakman: well the easiest solution would be to create ~/.matchbox/kbdconfig make your definitions and do matchbox-remote -keys-reload Jan 24 16:28:02 sometimes i just love the fact that the N800 runs linux. xev and xmodmap to the rescue :D Jan 24 16:28:30 i wish xev/xmodmap worked for me Jan 24 16:29:05 lophyte: what's the problem? Jan 24 16:29:18 oh, nothing, just playing with Debian on my n800 Jan 24 16:29:24 ah Jan 24 16:29:27 can't get the hw buttons to work Jan 24 16:29:44 HAL picks them up but I can't get Xomap to see them Jan 24 16:30:03 I have a feeling Xomap doesn't even look at /etc/X11/xorg.conf so my config changes are futile Jan 24 16:30:33 lophyte: sure.. Xomap is compiled without config support Jan 24 16:30:34 lophyte, the xmodmap is just the first step Jan 24 16:30:48 jott, that would do it... Jan 24 16:30:58 so the question is, how do I get Xomap to see the keys Jan 24 16:31:06 without config support Jan 24 16:31:18 lophyte: have you the right xkb files in place? Jan 24 16:31:35 I copied /usr/share/X11/xkb from ITOS to Debian.. Jan 24 16:31:56 not sure what else to do Jan 24 16:32:27 maybe /etc/X11/xkb Jan 24 16:33:28 have you xkbutils installed? Jan 24 16:34:13 i suppose you might need this to activate the mapping. Jan 24 16:34:26 yes I do.. Jan 24 16:36:34 hmm, is it the rx-44 keyboard map thats used by bluetooth keyboards? Jan 24 16:36:54 the rx-44 is the internal n810 keyboard Jan 24 16:37:03 ah Jan 24 16:37:05 (but it might also be used for bt keyboards) Jan 24 16:37:47 lophyte: have you tried forcing the layout with setxkbdmap -config rx-44 or something? Jan 24 16:38:22 (well assuming you use n810 .. dunno about n800 maps) Jan 24 16:40:55 hm, nope.. didn't know about that command, lol Jan 24 16:42:06 I guess the question would be which device to set it to... evdev doesn't work Jan 24 16:42:41 /lastlog synergy Jan 24 16:42:43 oops Jan 24 16:58:54 I can't seem to find a link to instructions on how to update the OS on my N800... I have the bin.. Jan 24 16:58:58 hmm, i think ill just leave a file in the user home area and throw it at xmodmap whenever i should happen to reboot my N800 Jan 24 16:59:17 rshortt, man, you must REALLY not be looking. Jan 24 16:59:54 GeneralAntilles: lol, relly I am.... i must be blind Jan 24 17:00:18 What OS? Jan 24 17:00:19 http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux Jan 24 17:01:04 gah, I was in Documentation, not Wiki Jan 24 17:01:12 redundant Jan 24 17:01:58 t_s_o: thanks Jan 24 17:02:11 GeneralAntilles: just 2008 update Jan 24 17:02:19 Computer OS. Jan 24 17:02:33 crap, i need to do the alterations to the keyboard each time i connect it. looks like i better find out what file to edit... Jan 24 17:02:47 one thing to wish for, a gui bluetooth keymap editor... Jan 24 17:04:09 bye Jan 24 17:05:15 gah Jan 24 17:05:21 I think hal-setup-keymap has something to do with it Jan 24 17:06:46 GeneralAntilles: linux of course :) flashing Jan 24 17:15:25 hi all Jan 24 17:16:32 doesn anybody knows why a hidden application (gtk_widget_hide on the main hildon window) which receives Dbus-messages always print a information banner wach time it receives messages Jan 24 17:16:51 such as "Application name - loading" Jan 24 17:19:22 hmm, how do i add something to the launch menu? Jan 24 17:20:40 you need a .desktop file installed under /usr/share/applications/hildon Jan 24 17:21:06 ah, ok Jan 24 17:25:44 Ooo ... my estimated LetsTalk ship is today, woohoo Jan 24 17:25:58 I hope they're not fucking with me :-) Jan 24 17:26:30 I wouldn't start celebrating until I had a tracking number in-hand Jan 24 17:26:39 yeah, I know Jan 24 17:50:24 Any python develoeprs / fans can jump in and start hacking on gemrb btw. All the GUIScripts are in python. Jan 24 17:51:13 I know, I was hoping, from the name, that some part of it would be ruby Jan 24 17:52:39 hehe Jan 24 17:52:59 Tak have you tried it on device yet? Jan 24 17:53:57 no, I'd need a card with a few gigs free Jan 24 17:54:04 I did build it, though Jan 24 17:54:51 Oh man ... it'll be fantastic to play Baldur's Gate, etc ... of course, I gave away my old Planescape: Torment CDs, doh ^_^ Jan 24 17:55:09 wow Jan 24 17:55:09 I'll probably give it a try once I get around to getting a n810 Jan 24 17:58:10 korpios: the Bioware games lend themselves incredibly well to tablet/stylus play Jan 24 17:59:18 the other I'd like to work on is the X-Com port Jan 24 17:59:19 pupnik: considering that I never finished any of them (bad me!), it'll be a fun incentive ... I miss how much *stuff* got packed into those games Jan 24 17:59:42 http://ufoai.sourceforge.net/ Jan 24 17:59:49 based on the Quetoo engine. Jan 24 18:00:00 i just got the 4 dvd baldurs gate set for 10 euro fysa. they run great under wine Jan 24 18:00:21 http://ufoai.ninex.info/gallery/ingame-screenshots/ Jan 24 18:00:29 I believe that interface would suit a stylus well. Jan 24 18:00:32 pupnik: nwn doesn't use that engine, does it? Jan 24 18:00:38 nope Jan 24 18:00:40 it does not Jan 24 18:00:46 that's the iso/2D engine Jan 24 18:08:15 hmmm thanks pupnik, you mentioning wine gives me an idea (hiya btw) Jan 24 18:09:16 huhu Jan 24 18:09:26 mmmmm beer Jan 24 18:09:53 don't play baldurs gate! code! http://pupnik.de/arbeiten.gif Jan 24 18:13:04 ... What's this about Baldur's Gate? There's no way that would run on the ITT... Jan 24 18:13:17 (at least, I certainly can't think of any that would work) Jan 24 18:14:21 ITT? :P Jan 24 18:14:27 (Actually, I *can*, and it *would* work, but it would be a monstrous amount of work and fall afoul of copyright :-) Jan 24 18:14:42 there's a GPL port of the engine, ccooke. Jan 24 18:14:48 well. more of a reverse engineer? Jan 24 18:14:53 Not if you own a copy of the data. Jan 24 18:14:59 GeneralAntilles: finger slip :-) Internet TableT, I suppose :-) Jan 24 18:15:03 fysa: there is? Jan 24 18:15:08 *blink* Jan 24 18:15:09 of course there is. Jan 24 18:15:11 :) Jan 24 18:15:34 does it work? Jan 24 18:15:40 google and find it. :) Jan 24 18:15:44 if you're so interested ;) Jan 24 18:15:46 just did :-) Jan 24 18:16:03 how the hell did I not find that?! Jan 24 18:17:00 hmm interesting the jalimo java packages support swing on os2008. Jan 24 18:17:29 google hides lots of things from you until you look. it would be surprising if they actually sent out notifications of new search terms Jan 24 18:17:35 jott: ooh, that's good. Still no browlser lpugin, right? Jan 24 18:18:09 ccooke: i don't think so.. Jan 24 18:18:09 cute Jan 24 18:18:23 i just tested a heavy awt application and it works quite ok Jan 24 18:18:27 lcuk: Ah, but I've played through BGII about once every 18 months for the last few years or so - and every time, it's long enough that I've lost all the mods etc :-) Jan 24 18:18:41 so I *have* been searching for BGII stuff Jan 24 18:18:55 jott: Try Azureus and/or OpenOffice? ;) Jan 24 18:18:57 i guess there are some floating point issues that cause render errors or so.. Jan 24 18:19:13 fysa: hehe azureus is swt not swing/awt :p Jan 24 18:19:44 that worked for a while.. (though i've not dared to test it on the IT :) Jan 24 18:20:10 swt is even better - even gcj/gij can deal with swt Jan 24 18:20:46 Tak: sure swt has it advantages but i suppose awt/swing support is more of a compatibility issue to run java applet etc.. Jan 24 18:21:14 yes, I'm merely speaking from an "easy to get running on a tablet" standpoint Jan 24 18:21:35 Tak the channel is #gemrb btw Jan 24 18:21:54 ah, my bluetooth keyboard was not using the rx-44 config, but the default no one for norwegian keyboards. after swapping two lines in that, i now have a fully working keyboard :D Jan 24 18:21:58 Tak: yeah.. well swing/awt seems to work quite ok (using gtk to render) Jan 24 18:23:51 MIR, but still a good deal: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820141247&Tpk=pqi%2b8gb%2bsdhc Jan 24 18:24:24 wow, no kidding Jan 24 18:24:39 * Tak try to determine expansion of MIR Jan 24 18:24:49 mail-in-rebate Jan 24 18:24:55 mail-in rebate Jan 24 18:24:56 still, getting to grips with vim in the osso terminal was confusing... Jan 24 18:25:01 mail in-rebate Jan 24 18:25:04 You have to find this to get the cheaper price: http://library.thinkquest.org/05aug/01145/pics/RKA/mir.jpg Jan 24 18:25:11 class 6 still the fastest? Jan 24 18:25:20 ah Jan 24 18:25:30 and has anyone tested a 48MHz SD kernel? Jan 24 18:26:03 8gb would be awesome Jan 24 18:26:41 * elb plans to buy a miniSD card in about March, when he expects his tablet might feasibly arrive Jan 24 18:26:52 16GB cards work, right? Jan 24 18:26:53 even the movies run fairly smooth on the tablet Tak :) Jan 24 18:26:56 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820208377 Jan 24 18:27:05 pupnik: that's very, very, very nice Jan 24 18:27:13 in which package is dsmetool ? Jan 24 18:27:25 Cards up to 2048GB should work fine, fysa. :P Jan 24 18:27:42 b0unc3, you can copy it directly from ITOS I think Jan 24 18:27:44 but gah, I know that I will stack up on these things and then end up with an N810. Jan 24 18:28:15 b0unc3, did you get debian working? Jan 24 18:28:39 lophyte: I have tried... but dosen't work Jan 24 18:28:44 ah Jan 24 18:28:44 lophyte: I'm working on it now Jan 24 18:30:52 fysa, N900, N900, N900. :P Jan 24 18:31:09 you really think they will go back to SD after this MicroSD business? Jan 24 18:31:21 No, but I wouldn't waste the cash on an N810. Jan 24 18:31:56 I wouldn't pay $400 for one ... but i wouldn't pay $400 for an n800, either, whereas $230 is pretty attractive Jan 24 18:31:59 they went to full-SD from rs-mmc Jan 24 18:32:02 depends on how well KDE/debian/synergy/X11 forwarding works. ;) Jan 24 18:33:31 Tak, be nice, but it wont happen. Jan 24 18:34:04 internal SD, external Micro .. or vice-versa. Jan 24 18:34:11 would make me happy ;) Jan 24 18:34:21 the n810 only takes rs-mmc? Jan 24 18:35:02 minisd Jan 24 18:35:09 aw, that sucks Jan 24 18:35:18 Yessir. Jan 24 18:35:24 if I ever upgrade to an n810 I'll have to go buy all new minisd cards Jan 24 18:35:33 Mostly, for me, the N810 is a big downgrade over the N800. Jan 24 18:35:42 yeah it's silly, I wonder why they didn't just go to microsd Jan 24 18:35:44 except it looks cooler and has a keyboard. Jan 24 18:35:54 dhd, dual microsd slots I could go for. Jan 24 18:36:09 dual anything would be helpful. Jan 24 18:36:13 fysa, and costs way more, has less storage, and crappier button arrangement. :P Jan 24 18:36:27 having 32GB on the N800 is an attractive prospect. Jan 24 18:36:45 they needed at least one onboard fixed memory card to store the maps for gps, and to keep the design specs compatible with 800 they couldnt add a new slot (or thats what i think). as for the choice of size... Jan 24 18:36:46 and 64GB when the N810 will probably still be stuck at 18GB Jan 24 18:37:03 is there a small enough BT keyboard that you could use with the n800 vs. the builtin one on the 810? Jan 24 18:37:04 lcuk: just ship the things with a pre-loaded 2gb card. Jan 24 18:37:06 Problem solved. Jan 24 18:37:15 no because it can be removed Jan 24 18:37:22 iGo Stowaway. Jan 24 18:37:31 and so can the N800's internal SD which is used to store maps. Jan 24 18:37:35 yeah the stowaway is about the same size of the N800 folded up Jan 24 18:37:49 the n800 folds up? Jan 24 18:37:51 ;) Jan 24 18:37:54 I was thinking about using motion capture software with the N800 webcam to hover my hands over and pick up twitches/positioning as key presses Jan 24 18:37:56 :) Jan 24 18:38:10 ouch Jan 24 18:38:11 $98 Jan 24 18:38:12 ;) Jan 24 18:38:20 you can get them for $30 on eBay Jan 24 18:38:32 there is a crappy 'laser' keyboard. Jan 24 18:38:53 http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/input/8193/ Jan 24 18:38:56 but I've never tried it. Jan 24 18:38:59 fysa, it would be more like a theremin Jan 24 18:39:28 fysa, it's more garbagy than you can possibly imagine. Jan 24 18:39:34 haha, nice. that is true. theremin board. Jan 24 18:39:41 lophyte, amazon had them for $30 over the holidays. Jan 24 18:39:52 might be worth looking into... Jan 24 18:40:00 has anyone tried it with the n800? Jan 24 18:40:46 * dhd has one, it works well Jan 24 18:40:50 Yeah, it works perfectly. Jan 24 18:40:54 nie Jan 24 18:40:57 nice* Jan 24 18:41:02 The built-in stand is perfect on the N800. Jan 24 18:41:03 except that the up-arrow key is where the / key should be Jan 24 18:41:11 lol Jan 24 18:41:11 GeneralAntilles, that's what I wanted to hear Jan 24 18:41:16 You get used to it. Jan 24 18:42:52 hey Jan 24 18:43:02 who has his order backordered from letstalk? Jan 24 18:43:14 i checked again my order status and now it shows as "shipped" Jan 24 18:43:21 the n810 is a downgrade for my usage as well Jan 24 18:43:23 fugitivo: me Jan 24 18:43:25 Order Shipped On: Thursday, January 24, 2008 Jan 24 18:43:27 fugitivo: tracking number? Jan 24 18:43:34 check again your order status Jan 24 18:43:36 http://cgi.ebay.ca/Think-Outside-XTBTUE-iGo-Stowaway-Bluetooth-Keyboard_W0QQitemZ250208910419QQihZ015QQcategoryZ133241QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Jan 24 18:43:38 good price ^ Jan 24 18:43:48 fugitivo: I have 'estimated shipping date' of today Jan 24 18:44:45 Jan 24, 2008   11:25 AM Package data transmitted to FedEx Jan 24 18:44:49 that's the last status... Jan 24 18:44:57 GeneralAntilles: nice that thinkgeek has it for $150, while amazon sold it for $30 ... Jan 24 18:44:59 maybe tomorrow or next next Jan 24 18:45:02 week Jan 24 18:48:58 does anyone know how to install persian fonts onto the n800? Jan 24 18:49:29 the issue being rendering bbc.com/persian in the browser Jan 24 18:57:50 blassey, find yourself a persian font and stick it in /home/user/.fonts Jan 24 18:58:52 * czr peeks Jan 24 18:59:26 * GeneralAntilles pokes czr in the yes. Jan 24 18:59:30 s/yes/eyes/ Jan 24 19:00:00 czr, you've been seen, now it's our turn to hide Jan 24 19:00:05 * czr pokes GeneralAntilles in the no Jan 24 19:00:09 s/no/nose/ Jan 24 19:00:19 ;) Jan 24 19:00:23 inz, it is too late, for I've seen you :-) Jan 24 19:00:51 * czr considers doing something useful Jan 24 19:03:24 GeneralAntilles: thanks, trying that now Jan 24 19:10:15 uhm... white screen... not bad... Jan 24 19:11:34 wowow Jan 24 19:11:41 work!!! Jan 24 19:11:42 :P Jan 24 19:16:00 hi, i've problem with the maemo 2008 media player Jan 24 19:16:17 just one? Jan 24 19:16:20 when i run an mp3 stream in it, my wireless router crashes Jan 24 19:16:22 canola! :P Jan 24 19:16:22 pupnik: :-) Jan 24 19:16:25 haha Jan 24 19:16:28 that's a new one? Jan 24 19:16:59 seriously, i've been looking for ages why my new dsl modem crashes, but it's due to my n800 Jan 24 19:17:02 * pupnik is impressed Jan 24 19:17:12 lophyte: fyi the debian-port work great on 770 :P Jan 24 19:17:16 if i play from my linux laptop all is well Jan 24 19:17:20 b0unc3, awesome Jan 24 19:17:33 what if you just transfer any large file? Jan 24 19:17:51 vandenoever: try switching from wep to wpa or reverse. See if it still happens.. Jan 24 19:17:53 fysa: i've no tried, but application updates are really slwo Jan 24 19:18:08 X-Fade_: i'm using wpa atm Jan 24 19:18:28 i think i prefer trying the file transfer Jan 24 19:18:33 can i ssh out from the n800? Jan 24 19:18:44 Sure, if you install openssh.. Jan 24 19:18:45 you could probably scp if you have openssh installed Jan 24 19:18:47 then i can pipe something over that Jan 24 19:19:01 can you give me a link to the repo for that? Jan 24 19:19:12 timeless.justdave in the topic Jan 24 19:19:13 vandenoever: extras :) Jan 24 19:19:21 has a big pack of all repos I believe Jan 24 19:19:43 some may give issues, but it sounds like you know what you're doing Jan 24 19:20:31 only slightly ;-) Jan 24 19:20:57 is there another streaming app, apart from canola? Jan 24 19:21:04 'streamtuner' is a new one Jan 24 19:21:04 e.g. wget | ogg123 ? Jan 24 19:21:12 but it's for shoutcast-type stuff I think. Jan 24 19:21:17 vandenoever: mplayer? Jan 24 19:21:20 i love canola Jan 24 19:21:22 I think it uses mplayer. Jan 24 19:22:02 I have nfs mount, but have not mounted my Audio/ share.. I fear it will be painfully slow to scan/id3/check for covers. ;) Jan 24 19:22:04 the 'set password' dialog of openssh is just lovely Jan 24 19:22:18 it shows each character for one second before changing it into a '*' Jan 24 19:22:34 most password fields do that Jan 24 19:22:38 vandenoever: Welcome to the default password textbox :) Jan 24 19:22:42 lol Jan 24 19:22:54 * vandenoever is rather unimpressed with the widget set Jan 24 19:22:54 the password fields in microb do that too.. Jan 24 19:23:10 default screen looks nice though Jan 24 19:23:24 vandenoever: As you can easily type the same char twice on a touchscreen, that can be a big help.. Jan 24 19:23:39 X-Fade_: so it's design? Jan 24 19:23:53 X-Fade_: i can also count the stars Jan 24 19:23:55 vandenoever: Yeah, even nokia phones do that.. Jan 24 19:24:02 ok Jan 24 19:24:17 easy enough to hide the device from prying eyes Jan 24 19:24:31 * Jaffa agrees - showing the char's a good feature all-in-all Jan 24 19:25:44 agree Jan 24 19:26:02 but don't let this fool you, vandenoever Jan 24 19:26:18 there are at least 10,000 things that we CAN complain about. Jan 24 19:27:27 another problem, after upgrading to os2008, the text autocompletion feature suddenly disappeared Jan 24 19:28:59 fysa: ah, we've dropped a couple of orders of magnitude recently? Jan 24 19:29:08 alterego, are you the ruby maintainer? Jan 24 19:29:13 don't want to scare anyone away ;) Jan 24 19:29:15 maybe he categorizes things broadly Jan 24 19:29:31 I actually typed 100,000 and revised before sending ;) Jan 24 19:30:02 * Jaffa only has 3 categories: 1) Things that suck really bad; 2) Things that suck quite a lot; 3) Things that suck less than the other 2. Jan 24 19:30:09 that's one of the things I used to like about the 'talk' command - it sent /every/ character Jan 24 19:30:44 ever see 'hunt' tak? :) Jan 24 19:30:50 I hate y^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HWant to go out? Jan 24 19:30:57 pupnik: no? Jan 24 19:31:16 My most hated category is "things that suck so bad that their level of suck proliferates throughout dependencies affecting neighbors and causing an atomic suckfest" Jan 24 19:31:37 fysa: leave my software out of this Jan 24 19:31:46 haha Jan 24 19:31:51 * vandenoever is piping a dvd over openssh to his n800 ... Jan 24 19:32:04 sounds hot Jan 24 19:32:09 twas a great multiplayer real time shooter game back in the late 80s - top view maze, many players at once Jan 24 19:32:27 http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Hunt Jan 24 19:32:27 going a 700k atm, so not all that fast Jan 24 19:32:49 but it's not barfing yet? Jan 24 19:33:22 (apologize for all the technical terms) Jan 24 19:33:49 hah, so it's like a nethack fps Jan 24 19:33:55 what's the OMAP McSPI/0 process? Jan 24 19:34:35 that's what is keeping me from using nfs to stream perfectly good divx/xvid encodes (not re-encodes) to mplayer. ;) Jan 24 19:34:46 I think it eats a good 10-25% CPU for me Jan 24 19:34:52 during high network activity Jan 24 19:34:56 38% here Jan 24 19:35:10 and 58% for openssh Jan 24 19:35:16 is it the wireless driver? Jan 24 19:35:38 regardless, 700k is enough to stream audio and if it hasn't caused your router to crash already, it's going to be something else. Jan 24 19:36:00 try the mplayer package maybe? Jan 24 19:36:06 I believe it will stream from a URL. Jan 24 19:36:09 sometimes it takes 2hours of radio streaming to crash the router Jan 24 19:36:12 ah Jan 24 19:36:15 so i'm letting it run Jan 24 19:36:40 if it takes 2 hours, I'd be inclined to blame the router Jan 24 19:36:41 which is it? Jan 24 19:37:35 of course the router is to blame Jan 24 19:37:38 I'm showing Ready to Ship, which is an improvement ^_^ Jan 24 19:37:42 it should not crash, ever Jan 24 19:37:57 wait, Shipped => Ready to Ship is an improvement? Jan 24 19:38:12 I tossed a linksys that was crashing.. Jan 24 19:38:23 and picked up an ASUS and put OpenWRT/X-Wrt on it.. Jan 24 19:38:44 here's an idea. Jan 24 19:38:50 (unrelated) Jan 24 19:38:59 there are NAS devices out there with armel processors Jan 24 19:39:10 600MHz+ I believe? Jan 24 19:40:06 no, that's a horrible idea. Jan 24 19:40:18 and you're a horrible person for having it. Jan 24 19:40:43 agreed Jan 24 19:40:48 I deserved it. Jan 24 19:41:41 korpios: mine is in the same "ready to ship" batch Jan 24 19:41:44 but I suppose you COULD use a USB video out with one of those and try to shoehorn maemo onto it with a touchscreen interface ;) Jan 24 19:41:57 2 day shipping my foot Jan 24 19:42:04 dorkybot: you showing Tuesday as your arrival date, too? Jan 24 19:42:08 yes Jan 24 19:42:10 mmm Jan 24 19:42:19 no reason it shouldn't get here Sat Jan 24 19:42:28 Sat would be perfect, in fact Jan 24 19:42:42 can't wait, already thinking of all the ssh/voip stuff i'm going to set up Jan 24 19:42:43 Has anybody gotten ITOS running on something other than a Nokia device? Jan 24 19:43:05 what are we calling ITOS? Jan 24 19:43:20 I can't wait to have something back in my pocket I can actually run Terminal on without "hacking", ugh ^_^ Jan 24 19:43:33 hi, I have a patch to submit to xomap... does anyone know where can I find the git and mailing list of xomap? Jan 24 19:43:49 Tak, not sure. :P Jan 24 19:44:01 oh geez, OS X is killing my brain. I just said "Terminal" rather than "a terminal". Jan 24 19:44:07 I was thinking the firmware that we flash onto our devices, but that really doesn't make sense for non-Nokia stuff. Jan 24 19:44:23 n810 will be tethered to the evdo laptop by bluetooth Jan 24 19:44:23 I think those NAS' would really be close. you should be able to use a debian-armel kernel and maemo repositories/distro Jan 24 19:44:26 they sniff for wifi here at work Jan 24 19:45:08 the only thing we really have to offer are *cough* packages and a hildon environment Jan 24 19:45:41 the future holds great things with kde and qt4 Jan 24 19:46:01 I don't see anyone breaking down our door to get microb running on a non-IT device (no offense timeless :)) Jan 24 19:46:11 Hehe Jan 24 19:46:20 Be nice if Ubuntu Mobile would pick up steam. Jan 24 19:46:24 KDE4 is sorely tempting me Jan 24 19:46:31 4.1 maybe Jan 24 19:46:35 GeneralAntilles, agreed Jan 24 19:46:41 Ubuntu Mobile, this time next year. Jan 24 19:46:42 be better of fedora got going too Jan 24 19:46:48 UM screenshots look nice Jan 24 19:46:49 would be nice to run steam on maemo Jan 24 19:46:54 <|tbb|> anyone with scratchbox (chinook ) enviroment, around? Jan 24 19:47:00 |tbb|: yes Jan 24 19:47:14 |tbb|, check amemo site for vmware image Jan 24 19:47:16 what's wrong with it now? Jan 24 19:47:18 nothing released? Jan 24 19:47:22 maemo Jan 24 19:47:35 UM is still in really early stages of development Jan 24 19:47:36 if you want a quick start Jan 24 19:47:40 they only announced it in like november Jan 24 19:47:49 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/RSSReaderUI Jan 24 19:48:07 (notice the resolution) Jan 24 19:48:10 <|tbb|> tak, do you got a little spare time? Jan 24 19:48:38 maybe a little ;-) Jan 24 19:48:42 <|tbb|> http://www.cobb.uk.net/apt/dists/mistral/user/source/dbus-scripts_1.0-2.tar.gz need someone with knowledge to try to compile that for chinook Jan 24 19:48:50 <|tbb|> would you Jan 24 19:48:56 lol Jan 24 19:49:01 More users of hildon/matchbox is better for us. Jan 24 19:49:02 |tbb|, just grab the vmware images Jan 24 19:49:13 and compile it yourself Jan 24 19:49:31 does maemo even have dbus ?!?! Jan 24 19:49:35 yes Jan 24 19:49:38 ohh wait yes it does Jan 24 19:49:39 hehe Jan 24 19:49:46 I recalled reading soemthing Jan 24 19:49:47 LinuxCode: <_< :P Jan 24 19:49:47 ;-D Jan 24 19:50:02 GeneralAntilles, installed amsn Jan 24 19:50:03 * Tak want debian-armel image with full hardware support + hildon + matchbox Jan 24 19:50:05 works fine Jan 24 19:50:08 with webcam and all Jan 24 19:50:08 * lcuk thinks linux code missed dbus Jan 24 19:50:14 there we go. johnx's debian-armel as basis for Ubuntu Mobile UI. Jan 24 19:50:15 lcuk, I miss a lot Jan 24 19:50:28 btw hi! Jan 24 19:50:30 ;-D Jan 24 19:50:35 hiya Jan 24 19:50:43 * lcuk munches on bacon n egg Jan 24 19:51:03 * LinuxCode wants a nice pint of cold cider Jan 24 19:51:04 is the vkb proprietary, or part of hildon? Jan 24 19:51:15 * LinuxCode however, has a deadline Jan 24 19:51:48 |tbb|: ok, it's built, now what? Jan 24 19:52:07 http://www.math.ucla.edu/~jimc/nokia770/scrawl.html Jan 24 19:52:09 Tak, you built it ? Jan 24 19:52:13 haha Jan 24 19:52:19 that was quick sir Jan 24 19:52:35 I hope they sort out wxGTK soon Jan 24 19:52:52 <|tbb|> tak: thx, got a place to upload it or would u email it to me? Jan 24 19:52:58 fugitivo: I just shipped, too Jan 24 19:53:30 no hosting right now Jan 24 19:53:35 I would have tried to get en_GK working on the N800 if it had | on the unshifted vkb ;) Jan 24 19:53:52 ohh btw guys Jan 24 19:53:59 you know the Chr key... Jan 24 19:54:03 when the menu comes up Jan 24 19:54:13 it now goes to the bottom part Jan 24 19:54:22 instead of where the pipe symbol is Jan 24 19:54:28 anyway to change that ? Jan 24 19:54:35 kinda nnoying Jan 24 19:54:51 tried rebooting Jan 24 19:55:07 hhmmm Jan 24 19:55:11 I did reboot since yes Jan 24 19:55:14 elb: great! Jan 24 19:55:15 battery ran out Jan 24 19:55:16 * lcuk knows this is the answer to all sorts of windows problems, but what the hey... Jan 24 19:55:26 its weird mate Jan 24 19:55:54 they're saying that my 2-day delivery should be here by Tuesday Jan 24 19:55:56 i try never to touch that chr key because i hate the onscreen stuff jumping Jan 24 19:56:03 so I'm assuming "shipped" means "FedEx will pick it up tomorrow" Jan 24 19:56:21 lcuk, well how do ya get a pipe then ? Jan 24 19:56:23 ;-| Jan 24 19:56:27 elb, i got super next working day and ordered tuesday arrived thursday... Jan 24 19:56:28 bit shit when Im sshd Jan 24 19:56:39 i havent needed pipe yet... Jan 24 19:56:39 pipe symbol should have had its own key! Jan 24 19:56:40 <|tbb|> tak see pm Jan 24 19:56:50 and slippers key Jan 24 19:57:11 i got annoyed about lack of tab key more than pipe Jan 24 19:57:39 wiiiii Jan 24 19:57:42 I need to make a modified fullscreen kb Jan 24 19:57:46 I just made a short cut Jan 24 19:57:47 ;-D Jan 24 19:57:55 until i found a comfortable dev env using windows full keybard and since a full usb one Jan 24 19:57:59 now I dont even have to push chr anymore Jan 24 19:58:00 Tak, can you make it so it's not retarded about touchscreen position? :P Jan 24 19:58:42 im gonna code up my old pda and use it as an extended keyboard for my 810 Jan 24 19:58:48 meh Jan 24 19:58:49 how is it retarded about touchscreen position? Jan 24 19:58:54 I put in | as value Jan 24 19:58:56 dont work Jan 24 19:58:59 yep, shipped to be delivered tuesday Jan 24 19:59:03 whats the hardkey for pipe Jan 24 19:59:23 is it ascii I need to use here ? Jan 24 19:59:35 If I hit one character, it'll sometimes send one on the other side of the screen. Jan 24 19:59:40 Press the "Chr" button or remap keys. Not aware of a default combo Jan 24 19:59:44 really? Jan 24 19:59:47 Yeah Jan 24 19:59:54 Jaffa, you can do this Jan 24 19:59:55 I've never experienced that Jan 24 19:59:56 It was fine under OS2007 and with the OS2008 beta Jan 24 20:00:05 But now it's weird under final. Jan 24 20:00:09 There's a bug on bugzilla. Jan 24 20:00:15 if you start x and go to menu>tools>settings Jan 24 20:00:22 Hi! Jan 24 20:00:23 toolbar shortcut Jan 24 20:00:23 fun - bounds-checking isn't being done some place Jan 24 20:00:36 however whats the vlaue ? Jan 24 20:00:45 is it standard ctrl char stuff ? Jan 24 20:00:49 It's a pain, as it's considerably dropped my speed since OS2007. Jan 24 20:01:16 LinuxCode: it's X keysyms Jan 24 20:01:20 so, IIRC, "pipe" Jan 24 20:01:45 Check the appropriate header file or manpage. Jan 24 20:01:56 nope Jan 24 20:01:59 ;-| Jan 24 20:02:27 hmmm Jan 24 20:02:32 i'm looking for amule-gui client for maemo. Jan 24 20:02:34 heh, the thing that always gets me is that the 770 has a cliff between the edge of the casing and the screen, and I can never hit the keys right on the edge at the first try Jan 24 20:02:46 has someone cross-compiled it? Jan 24 20:03:12 why would anyone want to use a p2p app on the IT Jan 24 20:03:34 Tak: yes, that is why I am dying for a scrollbar-size-editor-tool ;) Jan 24 20:03:44 because amule-client is a remote control for the amule-server.. Jan 24 20:04:06 fysa: yeah - for some apps, they even moved the scrollbar away from the side, when they should have just made it wider Jan 24 20:04:18 LinuxCode, it makes an obsoletely amazing low-power bittorrent client. ;) Jan 24 20:04:30 meh what key to use Jan 24 20:04:41 'modest' shows that they are finally learning here. Jan 24 20:04:58 GeneralAntilles, haha Jan 24 20:05:02 Rather than leaving my 650watt tower on overnight to BT, just use the N800. ;) Jan 24 20:05:05 id be concerned Jan 24 20:05:12 about the memory Jan 24 20:05:20 p2p uses small fragments Jan 24 20:05:31 I have two torrents running simultaneously. Jan 24 20:05:31 Meh, flash memory is super-cheap. Jan 24 20:06:37 I've yet to know anybody who has worn down flash storage of any sort within it's useful lifetime. Jan 24 20:06:37 GeneralAntilles, true Jan 24 20:06:37 you guys are lucky Jan 24 20:06:37 for? Jan 24 20:06:37 N800 can take it ou Jan 24 20:06:37 t Jan 24 20:06:37 the flash mem Jan 24 20:06:37 ah Jan 24 20:06:37 N810 the 2GB nand is fixed Jan 24 20:06:37 ok its and! Jan 24 20:06:37 yeah, I wouldn't worry though. Jan 24 20:06:37 nand Jan 24 20:06:37 1 million writes Jan 24 20:06:37 hehe Jan 24 20:06:37 they are smartly used Jan 24 20:06:37 what's the efficiency of computers as heaters? Jan 24 20:06:37 pupnik: Nearly 95% ;) Jan 24 20:06:37 yeh using jffs Jan 24 20:06:47 pupnik, lol Jan 24 20:06:48 no, not jffs -- internal controller evens the usage Jan 24 20:06:54 come to my place I demonstrate Jan 24 20:06:59 pupnik: I barely ever have to turn the heat on Jan 24 20:07:05 my office is always warmer Jan 24 20:07:06 unfortunately, the AC is another matter Jan 24 20:07:25 fysa, interesting Jan 24 20:07:28 I have a 2405FPW and some other Dell LCD on my desk here.. and by the end of the day, my face is burning. Jan 24 20:07:37 Low, pupnik, but mine serves a nice double-duty as one. :D Jan 24 20:07:37 uses jffs too though Jan 24 20:07:44 I could appreciate LED. Jan 24 20:07:47 AC isnt a problem as long as you are willing to stick heatsinks and fans to your forehead. Jan 24 20:08:13 I keep trying to develop more wrinkles in order to dissipate heat more efficiently, but it's not working out that well so far Jan 24 20:08:27 Tak, there's no such thing as need for heating down there. :P Jan 24 20:08:38 hahaha Jan 24 20:08:40 smoke more Jan 24 20:08:48 tak, its not the wrinkles that are a problem, its the die shrink as you age that gets you Jan 24 20:08:51 I'd settle for steaming Jan 24 20:09:02 hah lcuk Jan 24 20:09:03 Hi All! Jan 24 20:09:05 GeneralAntilles: it was 32F a couple of weeks ago Jan 24 20:09:16 wb konttori Jan 24 20:09:17 lcuk, you could order some size extenders! Jan 24 20:09:19 Hey, anyone have a working mplayer setup on os2008? Jan 24 20:09:32 Yeah, yeah, and the humidity makes it worse . . . I know. :P Jan 24 20:09:37 Howdy, konttori. Jan 24 20:09:39 I have my configuration such that it has audio sync problem Jan 24 20:09:54 konttori: i have sync problems on some media also Jan 24 20:09:56 * Tak grew up with -40F winters anyway Jan 24 20:10:08 sounds like minnesota Tak Jan 24 20:10:23 or russia :P Jan 24 20:10:35 just west of minnesota actually Jan 24 20:10:50 And, I'm using I'm using ao=esd Jan 24 20:10:53 vo=sdl Jan 24 20:11:02 Is that the optimal setup? Jan 24 20:11:08 mc=1 Jan 24 20:11:10 where bizarre things happen in a cohen brothers movie Jan 24 20:11:12 autosync=30 Jan 24 20:11:18 what about ao alsa? Jan 24 20:11:23 dorkybot: south of that :-P Jan 24 20:11:35 would alsa be better choice? Jan 24 20:11:40 * pupnik had a lot of friends up at ndsu - good CSCI program there Jan 24 20:11:41 friend in the chipper Jan 24 20:11:46 dunno Jan 24 20:11:52 we need /dev/dsp too Jan 24 20:13:25 hmm... so, dspmp3 was in 2007 the best choice if I remember correctly Jan 24 20:14:01 https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/gtk+/gdk/gdkkeysyms.h Jan 24 20:14:08 ok so like..whats the pipe symbol called Jan 24 20:14:10 lol Jan 24 20:14:13 ;-p Jan 24 20:15:39 bar Jan 24 20:15:45 #define GDK_vertbar 0x9f8 Jan 24 20:15:46 you can find out by running xev Jan 24 20:15:51 aha! Jan 24 20:15:55 oh, yes, perhaps it is the GDK name actually Jan 24 20:15:57 thank you Jan 24 20:16:32 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertical_bar Jan 24 20:16:34 #define XK_bar 0x007c /* U+007C VERTICAL LINE */ Jan 24 20:16:40 oops sorry for the paste Jan 24 20:16:43 all right, alsa seems as fast as esd Jan 24 20:16:47 vertbar is U+2502 Jan 24 20:17:03 how the heck can a single character be "notable" and gets its own wikipedia essay? Jan 24 20:17:19 such is the wacky world of wikipedia Jan 24 20:17:30 * dhd believes it's called "Procrastination" Jan 24 20:17:47 some CS PhD student probably wrote that instead of working on his/her thesis Jan 24 20:17:56 its got more info than maemo Jan 24 20:17:58 lcuk: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interrobang Jan 24 20:18:09 I haven't checked, but don't big printed encyclopedias also have entries for stuff like ellipsis? Jan 24 20:18:30 Lynoure, cite your sources for this :P Jan 24 20:18:49 lcuk, there are tons of articles on characters. Jan 24 20:18:54 The better question is, "why not?" Jan 24 20:19:04 lcuk: I've never had a printed encyclopia... Jan 24 20:19:07 dont work Jan 24 20:19:08 meh Jan 24 20:19:47 I've found wikipedia's character articles to be quite useful. Jan 24 20:19:50 GeneralAntilles, i know this, but then they delete loads of articles about internet fads with a swift hammer blow Jan 24 20:19:55 hmm i should produce fake encyclopedias for decorative purposes Jan 24 20:19:57 much cheaper Jan 24 20:20:14 Oh, well, I didn't realize we were discussing wikipedia's administrative actions. :P Jan 24 20:20:16 Yes, those suck. Jan 24 20:20:22 All the wiki admins should be spaced. Jan 24 20:21:17 w h y s h o u l d t h e y b e s p a c e d , t h a t j u s t u s e s m o r e c h a r a c t e r s Jan 24 20:21:35 whoa ... dude Jan 24 20:21:42 It involves airlocks. :P Jan 24 20:21:47 oh no, alsa seems to jam mplayer for flv playback. Jan 24 20:23:02 get on with the JAMs. Jan 24 20:23:25 * konttori feels like an idiot now Jan 24 20:23:34 I had delay=0.6 in the config file Jan 24 20:23:43 no wonder sync was off Jan 24 20:23:47 aha!!!! Jan 24 20:23:48 wicked Jan 24 20:23:50 sorted Jan 24 20:23:53 thanks Jan 24 20:23:56 thank god for "grep -ri" man... Jan 24 20:23:57 konttori, slow eyes? Jan 24 20:24:05 hey konttori, i bet i can fix your problem, just change the delay in your config file ;) Jan 24 20:24:13 * LinuxCode gives lcuk a pint Jan 24 20:24:25 ? mine worked ? Jan 24 20:24:31 i actually had useful linux knowledge? Jan 24 20:25:00 * czr loans lcuk his Linus mask Jan 24 20:25:27 lcuk, it was bar Jan 24 20:25:45 there is vertbar GDK_vertbar and GDK_bar Jan 24 20:25:51 you leave the GDK bit Jan 24 20:25:58 just put in bar Jan 24 20:26:00 sorted Jan 24 20:26:01 ;-D Jan 24 20:26:05 no more chr key Jan 24 20:26:07 ;-DDD Jan 24 20:26:18 and there is still room for more Jan 24 20:26:45 removed the delay -> fixed issu Jan 24 20:26:46 e Jan 24 20:26:50 czr: is it made from his face? Jan 24 20:27:38 Tak, that's a trade secret Jan 24 20:28:49 * Tak refuse to sign NDA Jan 24 20:31:33 Tak, please sign here Jan 24 20:31:52 hello Jan 24 20:31:59 hello Jan 24 20:33:31 nevar! Jan 24 20:35:23 are any gentoo users here? Jan 24 20:35:48 me Jan 24 20:35:54 amd64 Jan 24 20:36:08 and lots of others in #gentoo Jan 24 20:36:09 do you have a maemo sdk installed? Jan 24 20:36:16 nope Jan 24 20:36:28 Woohoo! Shipped! Tracking number and all! Jan 24 20:36:28 mmh ok Jan 24 20:36:37 waiting for delivery of my n810 Jan 24 20:36:54 dorkybot: check your mail, if yours was in the same batch Jan 24 20:37:05 wasting time in forums and irc Jan 24 20:37:24 but ... it just shipped today Jan 24 20:40:28 * fysa longs for a transparent thumb vkb Jan 24 20:41:11 * Tak send fysa a rgvkb screenshot Jan 24 20:41:26 that internet tablet web site is impacting my wallet ... ordered 3 things already Jan 24 20:41:39 meh Jan 24 20:41:41 Rio Grande Valley Killer Bees? Jan 24 20:41:44 I just realized something Jan 24 20:41:59 they could have dumped the pipe onto the >. key Jan 24 20:41:59 rubygame vkb Jan 24 20:42:03 using fn Jan 24 20:43:01 it'll work with a full BT keyboard right? Jan 24 20:43:23 dorkybot, what will ? Jan 24 20:43:25 pipe ? Jan 24 20:43:26 | Jan 24 20:43:29 oh tak please help me find those screenshots Jan 24 20:43:35 Now if only my damned Kindle would ship, I'd be all sorts of gadget-lust-fulfilled ^_^ Jan 24 20:43:40 I made a button in osso Jan 24 20:43:50 dorkybot, what did you buy ? Jan 24 20:43:52 N810 ? Jan 24 20:44:01 can someone please port xterm to rubygame? ;) Jan 24 20:44:11 * Tak poke sarcasometer Jan 24 20:44:12 n810, folding BY keayboard and usb charging cable Jan 24 20:44:15 BT Jan 24 20:44:21 why buy a BT keybaord ? Jan 24 20:44:29 its got a keybaord thats perfectly good Jan 24 20:44:31 hehe Jan 24 20:44:38 'perfectly' is a stretch Jan 24 20:44:42 you don't even have to port it; just make a call Jan 24 20:44:45 for getting real work done Jan 24 20:45:03 so i can prop up the IT on its stand at work and type away nonchalantly while ssh'ed to my other pc Jan 24 20:45:05 real work = computer Jan 24 20:45:10 says you Jan 24 20:45:11 fixing stuff = n810 Jan 24 20:45:38 looking forward to BT mouse working too Jan 24 20:45:40 dorkybot, hehe Jan 24 20:45:53 granted Jan 24 20:46:03 that bt keybaord I saw was nice-ish Jan 24 20:46:11 and quite portable Jan 24 20:46:32 I need a new mobile phone first though Jan 24 20:46:35 http://www.apple.com/keyboard/ Jan 24 20:46:40 my slacking is too visible with the evdo laptop Jan 24 20:47:02 does anybody use g_ether on n8x0? Jan 24 20:47:05 here it gets confused when I pull out the usb cable (the usb statusbar plugin stays, it doesn't work anymore after reconnecting) to the point that rmmoding and reloading the g_ether module hangs the device (until the watchdog kicks in) Jan 24 20:47:17 Tak: is rubygame in the repo? Jan 24 20:47:21 id rather have an istow orwhatever its called Jan 24 20:47:43 it's with the rest of the ruby stuff Jan 24 20:47:43 easier to carry, not as nice finger response/spacing though Jan 24 20:47:59 apple wireless is the smallest/lightest BT kb with full-sized keys I believe Jan 24 20:48:19 it's what I take with me if I need to take notes in a day-long meeting, anyway ;) Jan 24 20:48:27 almost got a dell BT keyboard cause it looks just like the standard one at work Jan 24 20:48:42 hmm, is there a registration-not-required image hosting site? Jan 24 20:48:44 bastards they reduced the price of the N810 Jan 24 20:48:51 did they? Jan 24 20:48:51 imageshack doesn't require registration? Jan 24 20:48:55 how much? Jan 24 20:48:59 RRP: £289.99 Jan 24 20:49:02 LinuxCode, how much now? Jan 24 20:49:06 says the site I bought it from Jan 24 20:49:18 it used to be £330 Jan 24 20:49:39 LinuxCode, play.com per chance? Jan 24 20:49:44 it's only www.nokia.co.uk that sells it at £329 Jan 24 20:50:00 jackster, yes sir Jan 24 20:50:04 everywhere else it's cheaper Jan 24 20:50:17 * lcuk paid 289 for his Jan 24 20:50:19 $407.99 at nokiausa.com with coupon code Jan 24 20:50:29 +10 super delivery Jan 24 20:50:41 lcuk, same Jan 24 20:50:43 that beats ebay Jan 24 20:50:52 http://img138.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rgkb2lr6.png Jan 24 20:50:55 free delivery i had Jan 24 20:51:03 direct from nokia Jan 24 20:51:03 how did nokia decide who got the developer discounts? Jan 24 20:51:10 well actually I only paid £60 Jan 24 20:51:13 straw pole Jan 24 20:51:15 lol Jan 24 20:51:17 ;-p Jan 24 20:51:23 somebody else paid the rest Jan 24 20:52:29 i think they looked around the forums for the people who were gonna get them right at the start and offered them discounts so they would wait a while for everyone else to get them before letting those who wanted them badly get them so they didnt moan about the pipe and tab keys Jan 24 20:52:51 * lcuk breathes Jan 24 20:53:06 how did you pay £60? Jan 24 20:53:24 with a credit card! (ba dum bing) Jan 24 20:53:35 lcuk, somebody else paid the rest Jan 24 20:53:42 * Tak play recorded laugh track Jan 24 20:53:44 ;-} Jan 24 20:54:13 linux, have you been using those credit card numbers you "found" Jan 24 20:54:46 www.dnb.me.uk/funny/DrEvilSoundboard.swf Jan 24 20:55:00 do it right tak Jan 24 20:55:01 lol Jan 24 20:55:14 please click laughs (with music) thanks Jan 24 20:55:19 lcuk, naa mate... Jan 24 20:55:27 company I do stuff for paid most of it Jan 24 20:55:36 doing things right is against my nature Jan 24 20:57:21 i got mine with xmas bonus :) Jan 24 20:58:10 Cold, hard cash. Jan 24 21:00:02 I whored myself out $5 a shot on the steps of Main Station. Jan 24 21:00:27 haha Jan 24 21:00:32 lcuk, kinda same scenario then ;-D Jan 24 21:00:50 * LinuxCode pays fysa $5 Jan 24 21:00:51 yer, last year we got the wii, this year it was all for meeeeeeee Jan 24 21:01:00 all I need ya to do is type stuff for me Jan 24 21:01:02 * fysa snaps a polaroid of LinuxCode Jan 24 21:01:12 o_O Jan 24 21:01:14 * LinuxCode throws the cam at fysa's head Jan 24 21:01:26 hmm, I still need to get a wii Jan 24 21:01:26 type bitch! Jan 24 21:01:26 lol Jan 24 21:01:27 haha Jan 24 21:01:27 ok Jan 24 21:01:27 and a capture card Jan 24 21:01:30 you type out what I should type Jan 24 21:01:36 no Jan 24 21:01:39 I dictate Jan 24 21:01:39 so I know Jan 24 21:01:42 what to type. Jan 24 21:01:52 ;-p Jan 24 21:02:18 linux, you will have to shout really loud Jan 24 21:03:07 lcuk, thats ok mate Jan 24 21:03:08 lol Jan 24 21:03:11 shouting is so 20th-century Jan 24 21:03:16 now we have gizmo Jan 24 21:03:18 Tak, yeah haha Jan 24 21:03:29 Tak, peple who shout are liars Jan 24 21:03:31 see hitler Jan 24 21:03:35 see stalin Jan 24 21:03:38 lol Jan 24 21:04:11 (or wearing headphones) Jan 24 21:04:11 You know who shouted louder than the Nazis? INDIANA JONES. Jan 24 21:04:27 Tak, hahah Jan 24 21:09:22 actually its quite scary now Jan 24 21:09:32 they stick 3-5MegaPixel cams into mobiles Jan 24 21:09:38 the size of a matchbox Jan 24 21:09:56 now anyone can take pic of you without you even knowing Jan 24 21:09:57 They're noisy as hell, though. :P Jan 24 21:10:06 GeneralAntilles, ? Jan 24 21:10:11 the cams ? Jan 24 21:10:15 Yeah Jan 24 21:10:19 if you switch sound off ? Jan 24 21:10:22 not all of them Jan 24 21:10:23 ;-p Jan 24 21:10:42 som erules specify they have to make a noise but half the manufacturers don tgive a crap Jan 24 21:10:49 GeneralAntilles, you know the htc handset lawsuit thing, people are getting more and more wound up about it and it seems to have so many parallels to our situation Jan 24 21:11:05 lcuk, ? Jan 24 21:11:08 elaborate please Jan 24 21:11:10 Yes, but ours is a hardware limitation. :P Jan 24 21:11:12 Im intruiged Jan 24 21:11:16 ohh Jan 24 21:11:18 nevermind Jan 24 21:11:25 I know what you guys are talking about now Jan 24 21:11:27 hehe Jan 24 21:11:43 If you think we have something, go lawyer up, lcuk. :P Jan 24 21:11:48 http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=cam_whore Jan 24 21:11:50 ;-p Jan 24 21:11:52 lol Jan 24 21:12:03 recent HTC devices have 3d hardware inside the chipset. however recent devices do not use the hardware. there is talk of a class action lawsuit to get the drivers included Jan 24 21:12:21 btw that link is safe for work! Jan 24 21:12:23 http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/23/poll-how-did-htc-mishandle-the-video-driver-controversy/ Jan 24 21:12:25 just for the record Jan 24 21:12:40 * lcuk lawyers up Jan 24 21:12:59 lcuk, you sound very american mate Jan 24 21:13:02 Im getting worried Jan 24 21:13:06 im bloody not Jan 24 21:13:09 * lcuk eats a pie Jan 24 21:13:14 lol Jan 24 21:13:24 the lawyer bit..made it sound like it Jan 24 21:13:26 ;-p Jan 24 21:13:28 macgyver > indiana jones Jan 24 21:13:34 bah Jan 24 21:13:39 * Cptnodegard needs to learn to scroll down Jan 24 21:13:44 michael knight > macgyver Jan 24 21:13:53 * czr hands a scroll of down to Cptnodegard Jan 24 21:13:54 Jesus > all Jan 24 21:13:59 general oneill > macgyver Jan 24 21:14:02 god < * Jan 24 21:14:12 me > * Jan 24 21:14:14 Cptnodegard, isnt that a oxymoron ? Jan 24 21:14:22 since its the same actor ?!?! Jan 24 21:14:25 lol Jan 24 21:14:36 mac gyver is not an actor! Jan 24 21:14:41 he's a real human being. Jan 24 21:14:44 besides Hawk > Michael knight Jan 24 21:14:51 nah RDN > RDN is an oxymoron :p Jan 24 21:15:07 unless you redefine >. Jan 24 21:15:19 I hope that amsn developer guy submitted the build spec to maemo Jan 24 21:15:20 BA > Hawk Jan 24 21:15:23 for tcl+amsn Jan 24 21:15:24 N? Jan 24 21:15:36 Spenser > Hawk Jan 24 21:15:37 because that would be 7 packages more Jan 24 21:15:45 hmm. using -O0 -pg wasn't such a grand idea Jan 24 21:15:47 spenser was good! Jan 24 21:15:53 I need to get that on dvd Jan 24 21:15:58 skippy > all-ya. Jan 24 21:16:00 dvd? READ. Jan 24 21:16:00 all these new series dont do shit for me Jan 24 21:16:13 columbo > Spenser Jan 24 21:16:19 lcuk, naaa Jan 24 21:16:25 columbo is...different Jan 24 21:16:33 what was that series called again Jan 24 21:16:36 night hawk ?!?! Jan 24 21:16:38 columbo is the linux of detectives Jan 24 21:16:38 or something Jan 24 21:16:44 that was quite good too Jan 24 21:16:44 * czr is going to dress like columbo when he gets old enough Jan 24 21:16:51 czr, bahah Jan 24 21:17:03 * Tak is going to dress like gandalf when he gets old Jan 24 21:17:09 lol Jan 24 21:17:12 lcuk, scruffy, but infinitely powerful once you're willing to tweak him some and give him some love? Jan 24 21:17:16 * lcuk puts on his wizard hat! Jan 24 21:17:32 * czr runs away to the tower before it's too late Jan 24 21:17:44 * LinuxCode puts on a fedora Jan 24 21:18:06 * LinuxCode puts on his trench coat Jan 24 21:18:26 * lcuk calls the cops about that strange linux guy in a trenchcoat Jan 24 21:18:31 loool Jan 24 21:18:43 * LinuxCode gets out his N810 and opens it Jan 24 21:18:51 * LinuxCode says "1 person to beam up!" Jan 24 21:19:01 ohh damn...it dont work Jan 24 21:19:03 wrong film Jan 24 21:19:18 actually.... Jan 24 21:19:21 yer, you need a flip phone for that to work Jan 24 21:19:28 the N810 is better than the things they have Jan 24 21:19:34 rofl Jan 24 21:19:40 we need a remake Jan 24 21:19:41 nahhh, i would have a tricorder anyday Jan 24 21:19:45 i bet they ran linux Jan 24 21:19:46 lcuk, haha Jan 24 21:19:51 I bet they did! Jan 24 21:20:07 windows would crash Jan 24 21:20:09 rofl Jan 24 21:20:15 spock wasnt looking at swirly patterns, he was sshing into uhuras terminal Jan 24 21:20:25 lool Jan 24 21:20:34 there's actually an LCARS theme for OS2007 Jan 24 21:20:41 to make your IT look like a tricorder Jan 24 21:20:46 theme or fully working interface? Jan 24 21:20:54 I dunno I haven't tried it Jan 24 21:21:04 Im using plankton atm Jan 24 21:21:04 its on maemo-apps.org Jan 24 21:21:10 Ha Jan 24 21:21:16 LCARS wasn't on the tricorder. :P Jan 24 21:21:16 ohhh Jan 24 21:21:18 omg Jan 24 21:21:20 wicked site Jan 24 21:21:21 err Jan 24 21:21:21 sorry Jan 24 21:21:24 not tricorder Jan 24 21:21:25 PADD Jan 24 21:21:28 how dare you guys withold it from me! Jan 24 21:21:34 traitors! Jan 24 21:21:38 * LinuxCode bookmarks Jan 24 21:21:42 the LCARS theme is meant to make the IT look like a PADD Jan 24 21:22:01 which it kinda is... Jan 24 21:22:03 more or less Jan 24 21:22:28 damnit lophyte im a developer not a mind reader Jan 24 21:22:37 http://www.freewebs.com/trek_obsessed3452/padd.gif Jan 24 21:22:42 a developing mind reader would be better Jan 24 21:22:42 doesn't that look like an IT? Jan 24 21:23:02 yer, but they obviously got the left handed hack working Jan 24 21:23:17 I still want the damn doom3 theme Jan 24 21:23:20 haha Jan 24 21:23:38 Tak, to make it look like the doom3 PDA? Jan 24 21:23:44 yes Jan 24 21:23:48 that would rock Jan 24 21:23:52 someone posted screenshots, but no files Jan 24 21:24:01 Hello Jan 24 21:24:16 hi tama Jan 24 21:25:49 heh ... xbill was a fun game. it should be good on a touchscreen Jan 24 21:25:55 I wanna try the LCARS theme but I'm afraid it won't work in 2008 Jan 24 21:26:01 haven't seen it in years Jan 24 21:26:08 It wont. Jan 24 21:28:10 damn it Jan 24 21:28:19 I should install 2007 on an SD card just for LCARS Jan 24 21:28:35 ...or you could just port the theme Jan 24 21:28:47 yeah but I'm lazy Jan 24 21:29:00 I don't know anything about how to make themes Jan 24 21:29:06 Should be straightforward Jan 24 21:31:09 ciao Jan 24 21:31:20 !addon Jan 24 21:31:43 haha wow Jan 24 21:31:44 O.o Jan 24 21:31:48 http://synthesize.us/Image:Photo-bridgeN800-file.jpg Jan 24 21:31:50 tat's pretty awesome Jan 24 21:32:31 haha Jan 24 21:32:43 http://synthesize.us/Image:Photo-paddN800-desktop.jpg Jan 24 21:32:44 hope they fix it Jan 24 21:32:59 the wikipage says they're not planning on supporting future versions of maemo Jan 24 21:33:15 fork! Jan 24 21:33:18 "We do not currently plan to support any future versions of the Maemo platform, since Nokia abandoned the 770 at an age of only 14 months." Jan 24 21:33:33 being petulant Jan 24 21:33:37 rightfully so. Jan 24 21:33:51 (leaving it on the doorstep) Jan 24 21:33:51 ;) Jan 24 21:34:03 we all know something better is coming Jan 24 21:34:08 but we still buy Jan 24 21:34:13 I would prefer that Nokia come out with something every year. Jan 24 21:34:16 then I just buy every other year. Jan 24 21:34:21 14 months is the proper age at which to abandon offspring Jan 24 21:34:30 (or every year ..) Jan 24 21:35:34 how often have flash updates been released from nokia based on past form? Jan 24 21:37:27 Immature 770 owners are funny. Jan 24 21:37:47 I was gonna get a 770, good thing I opted for the 800 Jan 24 21:39:10 the big problem is that nokia needs to put packages into the repo Jan 24 21:39:21 the ones that now clearly seem to work Jan 24 21:39:36 forget new devices Jan 24 21:39:43 lcuk, 3-4 months-ish Jan 24 21:40:02 they can give away as many sponsored devices as they like...if theres no repo for the packages made Jan 24 21:40:04 Expecting Nokia to stick with the 770 for two years is stupid. Jan 24 21:40:08 It's old and slow. Jan 24 21:40:39 How long do they support their phones? Jan 24 21:40:50 these aren't desktop computers. Jan 24 21:40:58 as much as we pretend ;) Jan 24 21:41:44 what does maemo use as its audio backend? Jan 24 21:41:48 not like the days when you could walk into any room at random and have a decent chance a C64 or C128 is near Jan 24 21:42:03 is hildon-status-bar-usb closed source? Jan 24 21:42:59 All the statusbar stuff is closed, pH5. Jan 24 21:45:17 bkruse: esd and alsa Jan 24 21:45:40 Tak: binding directly to alsa using alsa-lib? Jan 24 21:46:16 fuck Jan 24 21:46:21 no space left on device Jan 24 21:46:24 omg Jan 24 21:46:53 bkruse: afaik Jan 24 21:47:23 I guess I will have to tell dpkg to use another path ?!?! Jan 24 21:47:25 meh Jan 24 21:47:53 Tak: cool. thanks :] Jan 24 21:47:59 delete manuals? Jan 24 21:48:05 and nokia avi? Jan 24 21:48:06 I need to get someone to give me a device so I can develop this iax client :] Jan 24 21:48:18 fysa, hmmm arent they stored on the mmc2 ? Jan 24 21:48:21 internal card ? Jan 24 21:48:27 ah, yes Jan 24 21:48:47 LinuxCode, get rid of the pdfs. Jan 24 21:48:48 http://sense-datum.org/tim/archive/2008/01/24/a_gift_to_me_can_be_a_gift_to_/tim_samoff__weblog Jan 24 21:48:55 Er, what fysa said. Jan 24 21:48:56 GeneralAntilles, ahh k Jan 24 21:48:58 lets see Jan 24 21:49:00 du -max / | awk '$1>1' | sort -n Jan 24 21:49:04 i checked details Jan 24 21:49:06 ;-D Jan 24 21:49:09 bkruse: you'd be a good candidate Jan 24 21:50:11 Tak: how so? Jan 24 21:50:25 oh Jan 24 21:50:28 * bkruse clicks link Jan 24 21:52:18 Tak: Thanks, I will sign up. I hope I get this. If I get this first, I will develop for maemo vs openmoko :] Jan 24 21:52:55 * Jaffa video calls Mrs Jaffa (downstairs) to say he won't be down to watch _ER_ in 8 minutes Jan 24 21:53:13 Ha Jan 24 21:56:38 pitty Jan 24 21:56:41 abiword dont work Jan 24 21:56:47 thought I could force it hehe Jan 24 21:57:39 I heard KOffice works.. Jan 24 21:57:57 in KDE.. Jan 24 21:58:56 Tak: submitted, think I stand a chance? Jan 24 21:59:07 hey, could you read it for me and see what you think? things I could change about the entry, etc Jan 24 21:59:58 fysa, kde on the N810 ?!?! Jan 24 22:00:08 precisely Jan 24 22:00:24 you arent joking right ? Jan 24 22:00:32 that has to be a joke Jan 24 22:00:33 seriously. Jan 24 22:00:35 search it. Jan 24 22:00:49 ITT even has a KDE forum. Jan 24 22:00:54 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5474 Jan 24 22:01:28 bloody hell Jan 24 22:01:37 that means that the fedora should work! Jan 24 22:01:42 you mentioned 'not a computer' earlier? ;) Jan 24 22:01:43 well. Jan 24 22:01:48 I don't know about that. Jan 24 22:01:54 if there is a fedora-armel, maybe. Jan 24 22:01:58 there is! Jan 24 22:01:59 there IS, however, a debian-armel Jan 24 22:02:00 ;-p Jan 24 22:02:05 and it is working Jan 24 22:02:10 very barebones Jan 24 22:02:24 cool. Jan 24 22:02:29 let us know how it turns out :) Jan 24 22:03:02 how do I flash Jan 24 22:03:09 no flashing Jan 24 22:03:10 and can I completly backup my stuff ? Jan 24 22:03:15 you can put it on a spare SD Jan 24 22:03:18 ok what do I do then ? Jan 24 22:03:20 ahh Jan 24 22:03:22 I suggest you search google Jan 24 22:03:25 and then use that tool Jan 24 22:03:26 and read the forums very thoroughly Jan 24 22:03:31 yeh Jan 24 22:03:36 I saw a how to on that tool Jan 24 22:03:48 I need to buy a sd micro card first Jan 24 22:03:54 someome made a deb I think. Jan 24 22:03:56 someone Jan 24 22:07:52 havent they just released kde for windows as well Jan 24 22:08:10 hey guys, has anyone tried an apple bluetooth keyboard w/ the n800--does it work well? Jan 24 22:08:22 someone somewhere is a dpkg for life Jan 24 22:08:36 GeneralAntilles: thanks :( Jan 24 22:08:43 lcuk: kde for windows? wow Jan 24 22:09:37 I don't think it's a "window manager", lcuk Jan 24 22:09:45 but they ported kdelibs and KOffice and such Jan 24 22:09:57 most of what was needed to easily port the K* suite Jan 24 22:10:06 and dependent apps Jan 24 22:10:19 The KDE desktop environment is going cross-platform with support for the Windows and Mac OS X operating systems. http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/01/23/1848227 Jan 24 22:10:22 * Jaffa hasn't seen screenshots yet. Last time I saw KDE on Windows it was running in Cygwin Jan 24 22:10:25 right Jan 24 22:10:26 that Jan 24 22:11:43 It works better now, but has lots of rendering glitches still, as far as I read Jan 24 22:11:49 i like how many qt4 apps don't depend on kde-libs Jan 24 22:12:18 trolltech removing unnecessary dependencies Jan 24 22:12:21 blah, biggest rendering glitch appears to be any app title has an annoying k printed at the start of it ;) Jan 24 22:12:38 blah^ Jan 24 22:12:40 f Jan 24 22:12:41 fffffs Jan 24 22:14:38 Ha Jan 24 22:15:18 :-) Jan 24 22:16:01 * lcuk got a call from trolltech a couple of weeks ago Jan 24 22:16:34 lcuk, haha Jan 24 22:16:35 agreed Jan 24 22:16:42 k-bollox Jan 24 22:16:50 ^ not me Jan 24 22:17:02 < me Jan 24 22:18:14 noone from the internet has ever contacted me in real life before, it was odd. they even asked for me by nickname Jan 24 22:19:07 Ha Jan 24 22:19:10 Weird Jan 24 22:19:28 not really, they kinda believe what you put as firstname/lastname Jan 24 22:19:55 problem was i registered for eval whilst at work so blindly put work tel num in Jan 24 22:20:10 but gave my hacker alias Jan 24 22:21:25 i was very polite though, i told them i had evaluated their software but decided to go with python and gtk instead :) Jan 24 22:23:22 hey all!!! Jan 24 22:23:27 moohoo Jan 24 22:24:06 kde is too slow for my pc, let alone a tablet Jan 24 22:25:14 kde4 lighter on resources Jan 24 22:25:22 waiting for 4.1 Jan 24 22:26:23 OINK! Jan 24 22:26:46 pupnik: WindoMaker is the choice! :D Jan 24 22:26:51 said the pig before it got slaughtered Jan 24 22:27:05 yum..pork in cider sauce Jan 24 22:27:08 ;-p Jan 24 22:28:37 grrrr - any idea why vmware has suddenly stopped letting me out of the window. up until last night i could drag a file from inside to outside. now its forcing me to press ctrl+alt to escape Jan 24 22:29:47 dunno Jan 24 22:29:54 a change in the vmware-tools settings? Jan 24 22:30:02 ..missing vmware-tools? Jan 24 22:30:44 ahhhh thats odd, i didnt think it could be managed from something inside the image. thanks, all cured Jan 24 22:31:01 i thought it was an outside option Jan 24 22:31:59 vmware useful on the tablet? Jan 24 22:32:35 ddesktop is windows, so apparantly simplest dev env is located inside a vmware image... Jan 24 22:33:07 i was right? wow Jan 24 22:33:39 lol yer, theres an icon on the image for enabling it, ive wondered what it did since i started messing, now i know... Jan 24 22:34:35 I cant compile vmmon on fedora x86_64 ;-| Jan 24 22:34:37 sucks Jan 24 22:34:46 even with the any any patch Jan 24 22:35:07 * LinuxCode is eager to try out the dev vmware image Jan 24 22:36:00 when you do, let me know how to get eclipse working nicely please :) Jan 24 22:36:03 ill pay you in beer Jan 24 22:36:28 lol Jan 24 22:36:34 pay in cider we have a deal! Jan 24 22:36:34 lcuk: tethered to another pc with vnc Jan 24 22:36:43 * LinuxCode never liked beer Jan 24 22:36:51 despite the fact I grew up in germany Jan 24 22:36:56 maybe thats the reason Jan 24 22:37:00 * LinuxCode blames the germans Jan 24 22:37:02 lol Jan 24 22:37:39 lol - i spent 3 weeks in germany about 14 years ago (i know because i came home the day after i found out missus lcuk was pregnant) Jan 24 22:37:45 i learnt 3 words Jan 24 22:38:01 "dont go away" Jan 24 22:38:03 ? Jan 24 22:38:15 bier Jan 24 22:38:16 "dont get pregnant" ? Jan 24 22:38:28 "1 donar kebab please" (4 actually..) Jan 24 22:38:32 "DRINK MORE BEER" ? Jan 24 22:38:39 lol Jan 24 22:38:41 kk Jan 24 22:38:42 lcuk: please? German? Yeah. Jan 24 22:38:44 oom pah pah Jan 24 22:38:48 yeh they are nicer over there Jan 24 22:38:59 doner Jan 24 22:39:12 or turkish pizza Jan 24 22:39:13 yum! Jan 24 22:39:18 Döner ;) Jan 24 22:39:18 Id die for a turkish pizza Jan 24 22:39:20 Lamacun Jan 24 22:39:28 I need to find a place here Jan 24 22:39:39 gimme turkish pizza..now! Jan 24 22:39:49 OR SUFFER A PAINFUL DEATH! Jan 24 22:39:50 infact, it cant have been 3 weeks Jan 24 22:39:53 LinuxCode: If you don't like beer you tried the wrong labels so far ;) Jan 24 22:39:54 * lcuk looks back at logs Jan 24 22:40:03 Blafasel, lol Jan 24 22:40:12 I tried proper beer Jan 24 22:40:18 german beer aint bad Jan 24 22:40:22 but its not my taste Jan 24 22:40:26 I like sweet stuff Jan 24 22:40:29 cider is ok Jan 24 22:40:35 I like a nice pint of that Jan 24 22:40:43 you tried all of the >1000 brands?! :O Jan 24 22:40:44 Proper means different things for differnt peoples. Some like it sweet, some strong etc. Jan 24 22:41:10 LinuxCode: Bavarian beer is quite sweet, especially the wheat beer Jan 24 22:41:17 white beer etc.. Jan 24 22:41:20 weizen Jan 24 22:41:24 tried them all Jan 24 22:41:25 Aye ;) Jan 24 22:41:28 not my cup of tea Jan 24 22:41:39 alt bier is alos ok Jan 24 22:41:42 Not my kind of stuff, but - sweet it is Jan 24 22:41:42 also Jan 24 22:41:58 and kolsch Jan 24 22:42:10 Alt.. Hmm.. That's kind of a bummer her. I'm living in Cologne ;) Jan 24 22:42:17 s/her/here/ Jan 24 22:42:17 Blafasel meant: Alt.. Hmm.. That's kind of a bummer here. I'm living in Cologne ;) Jan 24 22:42:20 ö <-- ohh I found Jan 24 22:42:22 hehe Jan 24 22:42:40 Blafasel, hahah Jan 24 22:42:42 I know Jan 24 22:42:52 I used to live in Duesseldorf Jan 24 22:42:59 good old competition Jan 24 22:43:00 haha Jan 24 22:43:33 LinuxCode: I moved to Cologne, so I'm not part of that thing. But it's fun sometimes. Jan 24 22:43:41 yep def Jan 24 22:43:43 lol Jan 24 22:43:49 carnival is silly in germany Jan 24 22:43:52 but still fun Jan 24 22:44:39 You know that it has it's main events next week? ;) Jan 24 22:44:51 its, even. Doh! Too much beer tonight? Jan 24 22:45:30 ohh yeh its the time of year again Jan 24 22:45:33 lucky you Jan 24 22:45:35 ;-| Jan 24 22:45:40 day off and all on monday Jan 24 22:45:49 I have got deadlines Jan 24 22:45:54 UK needs more bank holidays Jan 24 22:45:58 takes the piss Jan 24 22:46:03 we are a bunch of slaves Jan 24 22:46:14 Somebody with an N810 want to tell me the filename of the most recent OS2008 firmware? Jan 24 22:46:47 ( i hope) Jan 24 22:46:47 RX-44_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin Jan 24 22:47:07 OK, so it only differs in the product code Jan 24 22:47:09 Cool, thanks. Jan 24 22:47:28 whats yours? Jan 24 22:47:46 LinuxCode: No, you're a bunch of soap opera stars with those cameras ;) Jan 24 22:47:47 RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin Jan 24 22:48:33 i dont even think i needed that in the end cos the windows flasher redownloads it Jan 24 22:51:05 What's the Home button look like on the N810 and where is it located on the front? Jan 24 22:51:15 lcuk, theres a windows flahser ? Jan 24 22:51:21 Duh Jan 24 22:51:25 is there a linux one too ? Jan 24 22:51:31 Duh Jan 24 22:51:31 linux is manual Jan 24 22:51:35 and where do I get the flasher from Jan 24 22:51:43 goto any football match Jan 24 22:51:46 please Jan 24 22:51:51 tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php Jan 24 22:51:54 * LinuxCode hits fcarvalho Jan 24 22:52:01 ehh lcuk Jan 24 22:52:12 theres normally a flasher at a football match Jan 24 22:52:16 oh wait, thats a streaker Jan 24 22:52:16 I'm assuming the stupid looking overlapping square thing on the front of the N810 is the Home key, right? Jan 24 22:52:31 yes, just under the cam Jan 24 22:52:37 thanks GeneralAntilles Jan 24 22:53:17 below the joystick ? Jan 24 22:53:24 or joypad ? Jan 24 22:53:49 On the N800 it's the bottommost button Jan 24 22:53:54 On the N810 it's the topmost. Jan 24 22:53:57 Well, on the face. Jan 24 22:55:29 got my 16Gb SDHC card, yay! Jan 24 22:56:05 Alright, if anybody wants to pick this apart: http://internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Flashing_OS2008_With_Mac_OS_X_%28Console%29 Jan 24 22:57:22 im off to watch some tv and get some sleep Jan 24 22:57:25 nn all Jan 24 22:57:27 ;-] Jan 24 22:57:32 'night Jan 24 22:59:13 i wish mencoder had an anti-shake filter Jan 24 22:59:38 Too much handy-cam footage? :P Jan 24 22:59:47 Amateur porn? Jan 24 22:59:56 yeah there's a free plugin for windows that will do it with avisynth i think Jan 24 23:00:05 Anyone here interested in a Birds of Feather gathering at PyCon [Chicago]? Jan 24 23:01:31 * Cymor is back (gone 19:03:13) Jan 24 23:01:57 DeanWI: sure, I'll be there (I just moved to Chicago, so that helps) ^_^ Jan 24 23:01:58 does anyone know when the new version of canola's coming out (the one including album art support) Jan 24 23:03:35 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=133306#post133306 darkip Jan 24 23:04:41 hi....i've got a question about Nokia N 770 tablet.....is it possible to install software on it ? Jan 24 23:05:30 or i should use only preinstalled software and not able to modify it...? Jan 24 23:05:49 wow Jan 24 23:05:55 770/800/810 != iPhone Jan 24 23:07:10 em...what do you mean / Jan 24 23:07:11 ? Jan 24 23:07:26 it's an open platform, install anything you wanto n it Jan 24 23:07:28 on it, even Jan 24 23:07:52 i can install almost all soft that i want ? Jan 24 23:08:00 if you can get it to work, sure Jan 24 23:08:03 All software that is targetted for it, yes. Jan 24 23:08:08 for example irc client ...icq client ? Jan 24 23:08:08 there's tons of software for the 770 Jan 24 23:08:14 yup Jan 24 23:08:21 http://garage.maemo.org/ Jan 24 23:08:26 pidgin or gaim should work, i donno but probably xchat, too Jan 24 23:08:29 that's sound great Jan 24 23:08:34 what DeanWI said Jan 24 23:08:53 XATRIX: are you looking to get one? Jan 24 23:08:54 I'm using xchat on an N800 right now Jan 24 23:09:29 Mousey> i'm thinking to obtain one Nokia 770 device Jan 24 23:09:43 nick_fn_> XCHAT ????????????? O_o Jan 24 23:09:46 XATRIX: get an n810 instead if you can Jan 24 23:09:46 HOW Jan 24 23:09:53 * Mousey is using xchat on n810 Jan 24 23:10:09 XATRIX: it's a linux box man, it runs linux software Jan 24 23:10:23 Mousey> i think it would be much more expensive to get this one......(770 = 170$) Ukraine Jan 24 23:10:26 i got wesnoth and freeciv on my box too Jan 24 23:10:42 oh. money is a factor Jan 24 23:10:45 holy sh....:))) Jan 24 23:10:53 freeciv? good idea Jan 24 23:11:04 i'll definitly get one Jan 24 23:11:05 :) Jan 24 23:11:07 yea, it's only 2.0.8, but hey, good enuff for now Jan 24 23:11:22 and something more Jan 24 23:11:33 can i install my own linux ? Jan 24 23:11:42 i'd like to install Gentoo 2007. Jan 24 23:11:46 funny Jan 24 23:11:48 and my own kernel Jan 24 23:11:55 is it possible ? Jan 24 23:12:00 * Mousey doesn't know Jan 24 23:12:01 XATRIX, try and get an N800 over a 770 if you can. Jan 24 23:12:06 what GeneralAntilles said Jan 24 23:12:10 debian-armel works. Jan 24 23:12:19 Gentoo hasn't been tried as far as I know. Jan 24 23:12:25 XATRIX: the fact you ask in those terms indicates taht even if it was possible, you should not attempt it :P Jan 24 23:12:26 GeneralAntilles: it does? i should put it on my n810 Jan 24 23:13:12 what CPU does it have ? Jan 24 23:14:02 OMAP1710 on the 770 Jan 24 23:14:07 OMAP2420 on the N800 Jan 24 23:14:16 N800 is a LOT faster. Jan 24 23:14:29 em...i mean what acrh ? Jan 24 23:14:34 RISC ARM ? Jan 24 23:14:36 ARM Jan 24 23:14:40 great Jan 24 23:14:46 gentoo supports arm Jan 24 23:15:01 * Cymor is away: afk Jan 24 23:15:04 Debian's ARM branch is the most complete. Jan 24 23:15:27 i'll check it Jan 24 23:15:31 You need armel I believe, not just arm. Jan 24 23:15:55 so...in next few days ...i'll become your comrade :) Jan 24 23:16:18 But, seriously, XATRIX, go for the N800 over the 770 if you can. Jan 24 23:17:15 i'm trying to buy 770 on the ebay-like system....our native ukrainian torg.alkar.net Jan 24 23:17:29 oh. well it be worth the extra heartache to get the 800 Jan 24 23:17:30 so...i guess noone is selling 800 Jan 24 23:17:56 anyway what do you thing about "Additionally maemo.org provide a "Hacker Edition" which runs the N800 OS (OS2007) on the N770. This provides greater compatibility with 3rd party apps." ? Jan 24 23:18:11 It's both better and worse than OS2006. Jan 24 23:18:26 But the 770 is out of date however you look at it. Jan 24 23:19:16 i know...but it will be my first such class device :) Jan 24 23:19:39 i haven't use such devices before Jan 24 23:22:01 Is it possible to put a clock in the button bar at the top in OS2007? Jan 24 23:22:16 osso-statusbar-cpu is one option. Jan 24 23:22:23 There's a clock-only applet around somewhere, too. Jan 24 23:22:28 You know, i've cheked the prices of the N800, it's over 480 $ here...but 770 = 170-200 $ Jan 24 23:22:36 Wow Jan 24 23:22:44 You should schedule yourself a trip to the US. :P Jan 24 23:23:25 oh....it's not so simple as you think :( Jan 24 23:23:41 at first, i need visa Jan 24 23:24:33 Has anybody had any success with re-shipping companies? Jan 24 23:24:36 at the second, i'm a military servant....so i will be denied to live my country Jan 24 23:24:41 GeneralAntilles> Jan 24 23:24:47 hmm, before i had a reboot loop when messing around with the rtcomm beta, i recall finding ui file manager that was able to show the full file system. but now i cant find it even with a full repository list from gronmayer... Jan 24 23:25:36 ta GeneralAntilles Jan 24 23:31:44 so, anyone have any idea what file manager it was i messed around with? Jan 24 23:32:58 sorry for my "explicit" interest...but how can i change the operating system on it ? Jan 24 23:33:04 (770) Jan 24 23:33:26 just common steps Jan 24 23:33:38 Not particularly straightforward. Jan 24 23:35:01 Where does a Canadian order there discounted n810 Jan 24 23:35:03 ? Jan 24 23:35:06 to update or upgrade the operating system one uses the 'flasher tool'. Jan 24 23:35:08 there/their Jan 24 23:35:43 pupnik, to Gentoo or Debian armel Jan 24 23:36:00 no Jan 24 23:36:23 That was the question. Jan 24 23:37:16 zerojay: did you get your n810 ordered yet? Jan 24 23:37:34 * davidb wonders who else to ping Jan 24 23:38:19 do you ping him or ping he? Jan 24 23:38:30 Him Jan 24 23:38:40 then it's 'whom to ping' Jan 24 23:38:45 :P Jan 24 23:39:08 Native speakers are allowed to use who freely. ;) Jan 24 23:39:34 so...."flasher tool" is a device or a software / Jan 24 23:39:35 ? Jan 24 23:39:38 software Jan 24 23:39:40 software Jan 24 23:39:58 thank god it's software.... Jan 24 23:40:10 * davidb wonders whom to ping Jan 24 23:40:28 i don't wanna search for a specific devices for a "phone flashing" Jan 24 23:41:03 WE NEED THIS. http://code.google.com/p/pocketguitar/ Jan 24 23:41:16 is there a channel for discussing n810? Jan 24 23:41:33 leo2007: good q Jan 24 23:41:36 no multitouch Tak Jan 24 23:41:53 leo2007: beside this one? :) Jan 24 23:42:04 I don't think it strictly needs multitouch Jan 24 23:42:30 have you ever played a guitar? Jan 24 23:43:10 have you ever played frets on fire? Jan 24 23:43:21 no... Jan 24 23:45:47 basically guitar hero using a computer keyboard Jan 24 23:45:57 davidb: what do you mean? Jan 24 23:46:22 leo2007: i mean good question. about an n810 channel. doesn't seem to beone Jan 24 23:46:24 be one Jan 24 23:47:26 may I ask here? Jan 24 23:47:44 leo2007, davidb: This is it. Jan 24 23:48:07 Tak: ok Jan 24 23:48:21 has the problem that the battery is a little bit loose been fixed? Jan 24 23:48:25 davidb: nice to see you here :) Jan 24 23:48:51 robtaylor: thanks. i noticed your nick :) Jan 24 23:48:57 heh Jan 24 23:49:08 robtaylor: just popping in hoping to figure out how to order my n810 from canada Jan 24 23:49:25 robtaylor: but am still on holiday with my new baby (and 5 yr old) Jan 24 23:49:35 davidb: with developer code? Jan 24 23:49:41 robtaylor: yup Jan 24 23:49:54 davidb: nice, hope the babbys healthy and happy :) Jan 24 23:49:55 robtaylor: the info they sent me requires an american shipping address Jan 24 23:50:01 robtaylor: cheers. Jan 24 23:50:19 davidb: ah, thats not ideal Jan 24 23:50:35 robtaylor: nope... especially with the tight border etc. Jan 24 23:50:46 (post 9/11 world) Jan 24 23:50:58 robtaylor: gotta run. i'll be in touch. Jan 24 23:51:02 davidb: laters Jan 24 23:51:04 meh, I hate that phrase Jan 24 23:52:10 Tak: i wonder if pocketguitar only works with two-finger chords? ;) Jan 24 23:52:27 difficult to say - I don't have an iphone nor ipod Jan 24 23:53:05 Tak, me too. :P Jan 24 23:53:09 but the ITs aren't multitouch, and you can have two onscreen buttons held at the same time in fceu Jan 24 23:53:25 But, in the post 9/11 world, we can't afford to hate. :P Jan 24 23:53:26 I suspect that sdl just rapidly alternates them or something Jan 24 23:54:38 It's a post-9/11 world, and if you don't like it, you'll like an all-expenses-paid guantanamo vacation! Jan 24 23:54:42 you can press two onscreen buttons at once Tak? Jan 24 23:55:02 you can't press them simultaneously, but you can hold one and press another Jan 24 23:55:02 Tak: my blind guess would be to keep the button pressed if there is no MOUSE_UP event :) Jan 24 23:55:17 GeneralAntilles: Don't hate, appreciate! Jan 24 23:55:26 holy cow... Jan 24 23:55:35 ohhh Jan 24 23:55:36 (if this works..dunno) Jan 25 00:03:37 "There's certainly no shortage of ways to get your YouTube fix on the go, but it looks like those options just got a whole lot bigger, as the company today launched a newly expanded mobile website that provides access to "most" of YouTube's catalog on any capable mobile device." Jan 25 00:03:38 anyone try? Jan 25 00:04:18 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUwUDoC3vc4 [ GemRB: Baldur's Gate 2 on on Nokia N810 ] Jan 25 00:04:24 .. Jan 25 00:04:58 fysa: you probably found an old press release. Jan 25 00:05:07 that is awesome. Jan 25 00:05:16 that was today on engadget, zerojay Jan 25 00:05:25 I don't see anything different. Jan 25 00:05:32 "That's quite the improvement over the version of the site that launched last year, which was also open to any device but only provided a select few hand-picked videos." Jan 25 00:06:21 interface is mostly the same. Jan 25 00:07:25 where's the mobile url? Jan 25 00:07:29 m.youtube.com Jan 25 00:07:45 I can't even connect to it. Jan 25 00:07:48 I'm on it now.. Jan 25 00:07:53 it has every video I've uploaded Jan 25 00:07:57 http://m.youtube.com Jan 25 00:08:19 pupnik: this is amazing. Jan 25 00:09:22 pupnik: Herbaliser or Fila Brazilia? Jan 25 00:09:30 fila Jan 25 00:09:32 nice Jan 25 00:09:36 :) Jan 25 00:09:52 do we have to pay for a public wifi to stay online 24/7 Jan 25 00:10:26 depends if you know your neighbours password Jan 25 00:10:29 haha Jan 25 00:10:52 what if I am in the airport? Jan 25 00:10:53 synergy/bluetooth mouse? Jan 25 00:10:57 pupnik? Jan 25 00:11:21 synergy Jan 25 00:11:27 seems to run playably Jan 25 00:11:54 <|R> iodine :) Jan 25 00:12:02 loe, you can get access point data plans, not sure though because i dont ever do it. alternatively you can use your phones data stream Jan 25 00:12:09 leo Jan 25 00:12:12 yeah it should be playable someday Jan 25 00:12:37 lcuk: are you in UK? Jan 25 00:12:42 just a straight compile so far? Jan 25 00:12:48 yes Jan 25 00:13:22 fysa, m.youtube.com is there a specific codec required to get the movies playing or is it just random ones Jan 25 00:13:50 3gp Jan 25 00:14:04 does not work under os2008 as it seems ;) Jan 25 00:14:37 well thats what i mean - i take it 3gp is the container format with streams inside which obviously our device cannot play correctly Jan 25 00:15:00 or are all 3gp videos meant to be created equal Jan 25 00:15:02 don't even know if it can handle the 3gp container Jan 25 00:15:06 mplayer can. Jan 25 00:15:08 is there NOKIA developing the next version of nseries Jan 25 00:15:21 3gp play fine when copied from my phone Jan 25 00:15:21 fysa: but mplayer has bad rtsp support :/ Jan 25 00:15:40 you know.. Jan 25 00:15:43 or lives555 so Jan 25 00:15:50 would be nice to have a greasemonkey script Jan 25 00:15:59 for m.youtube.com, that lets you *browse* on m.youtube.com Jan 25 00:16:10 but then when you click, it gives you the download link to the .flv for the full Jan 25 00:16:14 then we use mplayer to play that. Jan 25 00:16:20 100% speed/quality Jan 25 00:16:34 yeah you could also browse the "real" site with flash disabled Jan 25 00:16:36 lol, leo2007, they're just gonna see what happens. Jan 25 00:16:46 and a userjs that extracts/generates the flv link Jan 25 00:16:54 oh, videolan is ported somewhere. Jan 25 00:16:56 it would be much niceer to just have a proper binary FlashBlocker for this device - flash slows everything down, have click to view, and oh look, extra bonus, you clicked youtube, lets open it in mediaplayer Jan 25 00:16:56 that would probably work. Jan 25 00:16:56 there are read ones.. Jan 25 00:16:59 ready Jan 25 00:17:32 lcuk: just need a greasemonkey script Jan 25 00:17:39 lcuk: we have greasemonkey support in microb Jan 25 00:17:40 on OS2008 Jan 25 00:18:16 there are a couple N800-related things in there now. I think a greasemonkey script for Google iPhone sites being used on an N800 Jan 25 00:18:25 bleugh, GM is a nasty hack, you will not catch everything properly and why would you want to load/initialise/run THEN cleanup the result. just stop it before it comes on, quick/clean/simple Jan 25 00:18:37 i use videoscript.js with opera.. that works quite nice.. Jan 25 00:18:46 as long as you catch it before the flash renders, you will be good Jan 25 00:18:48 (desktop opera) Jan 25 00:18:57 GM will keep flash from downloading at all. Jan 25 00:19:06 http://1024k.de/bookmarklets/video-bookmarklets.html Jan 25 00:19:07 until you 'touch' it Jan 25 00:19:17 GM filters the HTML Jan 25 00:19:22 much slower - anything which catches the post processed page is shite (I should know, i worked on flashblock for firefox..) Jan 25 00:19:53 better design would see a tiny executable catching everything cleanly then letting flash go for the stuff you request Jan 25 00:19:53 anything related to firefox is slow -... SCNR ;) Jan 25 00:19:55 its faster as well Jan 25 00:22:56 * lcuk makes his internet pages stable still and flicker free. no jazzy crap please (but i surprisingly dont mind static ads..) Jan 25 00:24:03 lcuk: valid html 3.2? ;) Jan 25 00:24:39 i dont think so - that included blink didnt it :P Jan 25 00:25:07 you did not have to include blink to make it valid ;) Jan 25 00:25:29 no but any page which used it was automatically invalid Jan 25 00:25:36 i guess HTML 5 goes in this direction ;) Jan 25 00:26:27 best demonstation of future tech... http://cheese.blartwendo.com/web21-demo.html Jan 25 00:27:16 hehe Jan 25 00:28:25 * lcuk goes back to code Jan 25 00:42:36 Failed to open rtsp://rtsp-youtube.l.google.com/CiULENy73wIaHAnOvbeADhRMURMYESARFEIJbXYtZ29vZ2xlSAQM/0/0/0/video.3gp. Jan 25 00:42:45 mplayer,, Jan 25 00:47:13 is the blizzard the 770 or the 800 LCD controller? Jan 25 00:49:59 i'd hazard a guess that its the 770, the 800 should be known as "possible chance of a light dusting in exposed areas" Jan 25 00:51:39 How obscure, lcuk. :P Jan 25 00:52:08 well, the 800 is about 3x slower than the 770 Jan 25 00:52:27 I was picturing screen noise. Jan 25 00:52:32 Of which the 770 has more. :P Jan 25 00:52:49 yer, some days its a whiteout Jan 25 00:53:10 which ever has the blizard chip, it looks like someone added hardware screen rotation support Jan 25 00:53:25 the trick now is to get into a kernel that supports everything else Jan 25 00:55:07 nice, you got a link? Jan 25 00:55:58 the n810 screen has amazing color stability at wide viewing angles Jan 25 00:56:23 Nice, isn't it? Jan 25 00:56:43 i'm so used to the brightness changing on the 770 Jan 25 00:57:00 i was in the habit of using tilt as a brightness control Jan 25 00:57:11 lcuk: I am watching commits to the opensource OMAP tree... let me see if I can find an archive Jan 25 00:58:25 lcuk: http://marc.info/?l=linux-omap&m=120120164705198&w=2 Jan 25 00:58:47 thx Jan 25 01:13:05 btw, there are videodownloader ff extensions for youtube etc Jan 25 01:19:21 and they're selected use, not like greasemonkey Jan 25 01:22:03 I wonder if someone could help me with partitioning my mmc card, I'm having some trouble. Jan 25 01:22:22 what's the issue? Jan 25 01:22:49 I get an error when I got to partition after unmounting Jan 25 01:22:56 let me get it.. Jan 25 01:23:30 ~/dev/mmcblk0p1:1,15000,6: not found Jan 25 01:24:19 what command are you running? Jan 25 01:24:24 and which guide are you following? Jan 25 01:24:35 http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_Partition_your_MMC_card Jan 25 01:25:11 yes, paste the command Jan 25 01:25:42 so that's right after the sfdisk /dev/mmcblk0 command Jan 25 01:25:51 I get the error on the next line Jan 25 01:26:03 that command needs to be entered inside sfdisk Jan 25 01:26:06 ...which is? Jan 25 01:26:21 ah, hah Jan 25 01:26:39 got it? Jan 25 01:26:42 oh so I need to prefix it? Jan 25 01:26:49 err... Jan 25 01:26:51 with the # sfdisk? Jan 25 01:27:04 * Tak slow, blame 770 Jan 25 01:27:08 here's your problem... Jan 25 01:27:13 don't type the # Jan 25 01:27:15 or, I dunno I have very little experience with this kind of console Jan 25 01:27:27 the # is unix jargon for "do this as root" Jan 25 01:28:03 unix-heads tend to forget that putting $ or # at the beginning of a line confuses the heck out of people who are new to Unix Jan 25 01:28:17 nod Jan 25 01:28:30 so when you see "# apt-get install e2fsprogs" type: Jan 25 01:28:33 apt-get install e2fsprogs Jan 25 01:28:45 # just means you are root Jan 25 01:28:49 okay Jan 25 01:28:57 $ means you are a regular user Jan 25 01:29:08 so the problem was that I never entered the original command right? Jan 25 01:29:18 right Jan 25 01:29:21 it's supposed to signify the end of the command prompt Jan 25 01:29:29 okay then I have another problem :) Jan 25 01:29:50 I don't think I've elevated my permission to root yet Jan 25 01:30:08 T-BABIT, did you install becomeroot and type "sudo gainroot" Jan 25 01:30:41 give instructions like this - Jan 25 01:30:49 I didn't get become root as an application to install Jan 25 01:30:53 # This is ONLY a sample, do not type this Jan 25 01:30:56 # rm -rf / Jan 25 01:30:57 ;) Jan 25 01:31:06 lo,l Jan 25 01:31:18 how's that for a monkey wrench in the works }:-) Jan 25 01:31:29 don't even suggest that Jan 25 01:31:31 n00b-buster Jan 25 01:31:47 that sample is pure evil Jan 25 01:31:53 is becomeroot installed the same way x-term was? Jan 25 01:32:03 if you did it literally, it'll be safe Jan 25 01:32:07 if not, you should've known better ;) Jan 25 01:32:21 yes babit, but you have to link to a different repository for it to become listed (or it might just be redpill) Jan 25 01:32:55 T-BABIT, which device and OS version are you using? Jan 25 01:33:26 it's a 770, I think the OS is nokia's from 06 Jan 25 01:34:11 yes Jan 25 01:34:15 are you at least installing 2007HE on it? Jan 25 01:34:31 v3.2006.49-2 Jan 25 01:35:10 ? Jan 25 01:35:18 is that what's on it, or what you're installing? Jan 25 01:35:28 that's what's on it Jan 25 01:35:33 are you at least installing 2007HE on it? Jan 25 01:36:04 I'm not installing anything on it presently, maybe I misunderstand the question Jan 25 01:36:12 are there actually schematics for the rx-44 accessible somewhere? Jan 25 01:36:12 Tak, he's just trying to partition his card Jan 25 01:36:30 hmm Jan 25 01:36:34 T-BABIT, I assume you want to boot from the rs-mmc card, thus you're partitioning? Jan 25 01:36:44 yeah Jan 25 01:37:04 jott, there are for the N800. Jan 25 01:37:08 They'll be fairly similar. Jan 25 01:37:23 GeneralAntilles: yeah i saw those Jan 25 01:37:27 *apart from the extra stuff Jan 25 01:37:37 *and the stuff taken away Jan 25 01:37:40 GPS, keyboard, light sensor. Jan 25 01:37:43 but they are the same ;) Jan 25 01:37:47 lcuk, the important stuff is the same. Jan 25 01:37:58 T-BABIT, install this package to make sudo gainroot work: http://eko.one.pl/maemo/dists/mistral/user/binary-armel/becomeroot_0.1-2_armel.deb Jan 25 01:38:06 * lcuk is yankin your chain Jan 25 01:38:16 GeneralAntilles: important is relative i suppose Jan 25 01:38:38 Eh, something's better than nothing. Jan 25 01:39:29 GeneralAntilles, you are 100% right, because they are related devices usually knowing info on one will at the very least be kept in proximity to the other Jan 25 01:39:57 johnx: ok installed. Jan 25 01:40:05 at a command line type: Jan 25 01:40:07 sudo gainroot Jan 25 01:40:14 then type: Jan 25 01:40:16 * GeneralAntilles prods lcuk with a sharpened stick. :P Jan 25 01:40:16 whoami Jan 25 01:40:34 you mean: # whoami Jan 25 01:40:40 :-p Jan 25 01:40:51 * lcuk puts a sticker over GeneralAntilles's light sensor Jan 25 01:41:05 johnx: I'm root :-D Jan 25 01:41:08 Don't have one. Jan 25 01:41:09 HA! Jan 25 01:41:17 lcuk: you mean the big pile of schematics with the confidential seal? ;) Jan 25 01:41:21 alright, now you should be able to partition the card Jan 25 01:41:34 Hello all...I was looking for some info about popping the keyboard on an SDL application..Has that been solved? Jan 25 01:41:55 well they *are* confidential, they have merely been stored on the internet as a distributed backup mechanism Jan 25 01:41:59 dope, thanks for being understanding this is a totally new platform for me. Jan 25 01:42:04 Dashiad: if you're using rubygame ;-) Jan 25 01:42:23 * Tak gtg Jan 25 01:42:34 lcuk: heh just in case the nokia mainframe crashes and all is lost?! ;) Jan 25 01:42:48 T-BABIT, sure. As long as you're willing to read and learn, we're generally pretty helpful. Jan 25 01:42:51 yer, errrr thats it, gtg i hear sirens ;) Jan 25 01:43:12 and only some of us *cough*ds3*cough* will tell try and trick you into deleting all your files. :) Jan 25 01:43:44 thats the first time ive seen anyone attempt to give that line, though i sorta expected to see it sometime. Jan 25 01:44:28 T-BABIT, the ppl in here are v friendly :) they have helped me and others immensely Jan 25 01:44:30 you have to encode your evil scripts in obfuscated perl code before posting them on irc ;) Jan 25 01:44:43 lcuk, heh...search the irclog for this channel :P Jan 25 01:44:56 yer and when im here its always helpful Jan 25 01:45:02 it's a classic Jan 25 01:45:08 a must Jan 25 01:45:16 and for some reason i still dont know where GeneralAntilles is because he never seems to sleep Jan 25 01:45:27 I live in the interwebs. :P Jan 25 01:45:32 he is a bot *psst* ;) Jan 25 01:45:39 with the ceiling cat Jan 25 01:45:44 EST, actually, but weird schedule, as I'm mostly taking online courses these days. :P Jan 25 01:45:55 s/these days/this semester/ Jan 25 01:45:55 GeneralAntilles meant: EST, actually, but weird schedule, as I'm mostly taking online courses this semester. :P Jan 25 01:46:00 EST? is that a shop? Jan 25 01:46:04 ahhhh Jan 25 01:46:07 Eastern Standard Time Jan 25 01:46:13 lcuk: with the ceiling cat watching him masturbate <- there, fixed it for ya Jan 25 01:46:17 U,u Jan 25 01:46:20 lol Jan 25 01:48:17 But what about the ceiling spiders? http://media.ebaumsworld.com/2007/02/granddaddy.jpg Jan 25 01:49:06 * Cymor is back (gone 02:34:04) Jan 25 01:49:07 GeneralAntilles, seem them before Jan 25 01:59:31 echo.. Jan 25 01:59:42 >.> Jan 25 01:59:54 e ... c ... h ... o ... Jan 25 02:00:11 :D Jan 25 02:00:26 careful or you'll cause an avalanche Jan 25 02:01:17 ping broadcast ;) Jan 25 02:01:40 pong Jan 25 02:02:02 (requires superuser privileges. Are you root?) Jan 25 02:02:26 not in irc Jan 25 02:02:40 #whoami Jan 25 02:02:47 god Jan 25 02:02:52 oh well Jan 25 02:02:55 not bad Jan 25 02:03:03 not quite root though :P Jan 25 02:03:04 remembers me of http://xkcd.com/149/ Jan 25 02:03:29 did you remember the number off the top of your head?! Jan 25 02:03:38 na just the title ;) Jan 25 02:03:43 That would be creepy. Jan 25 02:03:44 ah Jan 25 02:03:48 scared me Jan 25 02:03:53 heh M) Jan 25 02:15:19 Does anyone know if the N800 has an internal heat sensor of any type? Jan 25 02:16:15 you might see a little light flickering if it sets on fire, but other than that i havent heard or seen anything Jan 25 02:16:27 why u ask? Jan 25 02:16:37 I expected not :/ Jan 25 02:17:04 some other people on itt and myself have been having problems with the touchscreen/digitizer calibration going wonky Jan 25 02:17:05 my 810 gets hot if i put it onto a cushion and type with it Jan 25 02:17:44 calibration drift? Jan 25 02:18:07 others seem convinced that it's a software regression in 2008OS but I think it may be connected to heat causing some type of problem Jan 25 02:18:45 it could be both. the 800 is running faster than original spec, but is the problem centred around hotspots or just a general drift Jan 25 02:19:14 basically at the far right of the screen the input shows up about 1cm left of where I tap Jan 25 02:19:22 at the left edge it's generally on target Jan 25 02:19:43 if I press firmly with my thumb, somewhere on the side of the screen calibration is restored for a while Jan 25 02:19:48 the far right on mine is MUCH less sensitive than anywhere else - this is where the cables connect i think Jan 25 02:20:08 it's definitely worse in debian where power management is disabled and the tablet is constantly running warm Jan 25 02:20:25 get maemopad+ on and do some gsmall scribbles all over the screen, you will see which parts are smoothly sensitive Jan 25 02:21:35 my old (homemade) touchpad suffered from a similar problem - the lcd unit backlight intersected part of my old tablet (which was placed behind the lcd). at the area where the other electronics was the sensitivity was buggered Jan 25 02:21:59 debian as in using it as a mouse with clicks only Jan 25 02:22:08 not the pressure Jan 25 02:22:15 correct Jan 25 02:22:18 Is there a default root password on the 770? I'm a dumby and locked myself out. Jan 25 02:23:05 lcuk, actually, it's the same xserver, also using libts just as on maemo/ITOS Jan 25 02:23:08 like i say, try to get it into a package which shows the pressure gradiant and shade the whole area Jan 25 02:23:40 if you give me a minute i'll show you the effect (you will have to find a photo upload hosting site thingy for me tho... Jan 25 02:23:48 sure Jan 25 02:23:52 hang on a couple minutes Jan 25 02:23:54 thanks :) Jan 25 02:25:00 johnx, I know touchscreen response regressed with OS2008 final for me. Jan 25 02:25:06 But it's all over the screen. Jan 25 02:25:09 Not localized anywhere. Jan 25 02:25:23 GeneralAntilles, does it get better and worse? Jan 25 02:25:27 No Jan 25 02:25:31 hmm Jan 25 02:25:35 It's consistent. Jan 25 02:25:42 Most noticeable with the fullscreen keyboard Jan 25 02:26:01 taps register several keys off about every 3-7th keystroke Jan 25 02:26:57 GeneralAntilles, interesting Jan 25 02:27:07 is it to the left or right? Jan 25 02:27:15 Both. Jan 25 02:27:26 and I only notice it with the fullscreen keyboard Jan 25 02:27:30 don't notice it with normal taps. Jan 25 02:27:44 what happens with a drawing program? Jan 25 02:28:07 Last I checked it was fine Jan 25 02:28:12 let me recheck Jan 25 02:28:15 thanks Jan 25 02:28:29 * johnx would really like to figure out if this is two entirely separate problems, or if my problem is the worse end of the same overall problem Jan 25 02:30:56 Spot-on with Sketch and vkb Jan 25 02:31:09 so weird... Jan 25 02:31:25 Couple mess ups in about a paragraph of text with the thumbboard. Jan 25 02:31:28 Device is cold. Jan 25 02:31:48 Release-day device, haven't had any touchscreen troubles. Jan 25 02:32:00 good info to know Jan 25 02:32:24 have you ever had problems with hitting the scroll bar in the web browser after a bit of browsing? Jan 25 02:33:14 Other than the fact that it's in the gutter and I rarely use the stylus, no. Jan 25 02:34:25 well that kind of shoots down my heat-relation theory...given how much CPU intensive browsing is :/ Jan 25 02:34:28 * lcuk is left handed so stays away Jan 25 02:34:41 FREAK! Jan 25 02:34:51 says the apple user... :P Jan 25 02:35:04 I prefer oranges. Jan 25 02:35:11 Mmm . . . oranges. Jan 25 02:35:17 does anyone know an imagehost Jan 25 02:35:22 ive got pic waiting Jan 25 02:35:24 photbucket Jan 25 02:35:30 er photobucket Jan 25 02:35:44 or bayimg if you're really desperate Jan 25 02:35:46 ive wasted 10 minutes of even scribbling time with my 810, i will regret this in years to come :P Jan 25 02:36:20 ones where i dont have to join Jan 25 02:36:55 bayimg.com Jan 25 02:36:57 Don't you have a server lying around somewhere? Jan 25 02:37:12 yer but im just about to upload from it :P Jan 25 02:37:46 but, it's hosted by the pirate bay folks so it might go down on your permanent record :P Jan 25 02:39:11 lcuk, well I've been scribbling but this might not work out too well :/ Jan 25 02:39:24 I've just compiled the Frodo C64 emulator for the n800...unfortunately, a bt keyboard is needed to load the games, and the joystick keys need mapping too Jan 25 02:40:05 as I scribbled my tablet got warm so vertical lines drawn on the far right edge of the screen show up about 1cm left nice and dark Jan 25 02:40:34 damn, bayimg "oh, we're still moving some stuff, sorry." after selecting file Jan 25 02:40:42 Huh, recently manufactured unit, johnx? Jan 25 02:40:56 GeneralAntilles, from march Jan 25 02:41:06 it has a mysterious past as a comp usa floor model Jan 25 02:41:12 so I imagine it was a first run Jan 25 02:42:13 Gutsy buying a floor model. Jan 25 02:42:30 $260 or so at the time Jan 25 02:42:43 http://img233.imageshack.us/my.php?image=n810pressureunevenareasjq6.png Jan 25 02:42:43 even came with a charger Jan 25 02:43:06 lol Jan 25 02:43:19 Out of context, that is incredibly awesome, lcuk. Jan 25 02:44:39 What program is that? Jan 25 02:44:45 what? Jan 25 02:44:54 the drawing ? Jan 25 02:44:57 Yeah. Jan 25 02:44:59 maemopad+ Jan 25 02:45:00 maemopadplus I would assume Jan 25 02:45:12 Pressure sensitive? Jan 25 02:45:13 Wow Jan 25 02:45:18 I'm out of the loop. Jan 25 02:45:25 set to fullscreen remove the toolbar and its the entire surface otherwise you have scrollbars Jan 25 02:45:39 you've been out of the loop since august or so then :P Jan 25 02:46:17 Quiet. :P Jan 25 02:46:58 I mean this was all the way back on IT2007OS :P :D Jan 25 02:47:40 IT what? :P Jan 25 02:47:50 john, ive shown you mine, lets see what yours looks like then :P Jan 25 02:48:04 johnx, I'm ramping up the heat on my N800 to do another test. Jan 25 02:48:25 lcuk, just a sec Jan 25 02:48:27 general, that port is NOT for that Jan 25 02:48:41 fighting with the touchscreen to upload it :/ Jan 25 02:48:53 Hehe. Sitting on top of my receiver playing a movie. Jan 25 02:49:48 here you go gen, some porn: theres a young thin model being stripped down for you... http://gizmodo.com/348769/macbook-air-tear-down-sexy-on-the-inside-too2 Jan 25 02:50:24 My mother's been asking me if she should get a Macbook Air to replace her old Powerbook. <_< Jan 25 02:51:04 etll her you woill gladly try it out for her for say... mmm 6 months? Jan 25 02:51:10 if people don't know what kind of computer they need I tell them they should just get a plain macbook Jan 25 02:51:46 expensive, pretty, lacking in substance and looks like it needs a decent meal Jan 25 02:52:05 The aluminum Powerbooks are funny. Jan 25 02:52:08 They have a subwoofer. Jan 25 02:52:30 so does my second-hand P4 toshiba Jan 25 02:52:33 http://xlr8yourmac.com/systems/PB_G4_15_AL_takeapart/pb15subwoofer.jpg Jan 25 02:52:54 * lcuk hears a tinny pop Jan 25 02:53:11 http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/JohnX/Pentest.png Jan 25 02:53:13 there Jan 25 02:53:23 Apple's laptops need louder speakers. Jan 25 02:53:40 what? speak up! Jan 25 02:54:18 G5 with real speakers over here. :P Jan 25 02:54:20 johnx, i gather the black vertical lines about 3.4 across were when you moved all the way to the right Jan 25 02:54:25 3/4 Jan 25 02:54:32 yup Jan 25 02:54:55 the diagonals were first, before it warmed up Jan 25 02:55:30 I tried to draw with even pressure across the whole screen Jan 25 02:55:36 you mean its stable for a while and can draw everywhere but then as the screen temp rises it goes way off Jan 25 02:56:08 and how did you heat it up Jan 25 02:57:11 just by drawing Jan 25 02:57:18 I'll send you another with it already warm Jan 25 02:58:09 do smaller scribbles Jan 25 02:58:17 http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/JohnX/Pentest2.png Jan 25 02:58:20 not full length of screen Jan 25 02:58:24 ah Jan 25 02:58:28 well that will be on 3 then Jan 25 02:58:31 this is way off topic, but since somebody else brought up apple . . . my x applications and many terminal apps are all in French! whatup? Jan 25 02:58:52 celesteh, echo $LANG Jan 25 02:59:03 thanks, johnx Jan 25 02:59:24 heh, it's fr_FR.UTF-8 Jan 25 02:59:31 that would do it :) Jan 25 02:59:37 are you on debian/ubuntu? Jan 25 02:59:48 no apple os x 10.5 Jan 25 02:59:54 heh **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jan 25 02:59:57 2008