**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jan 25 02:59:57 2008
Jan 25 02:59:59 <johnx> well...I have no idea
Jan 25 03:00:12 <celesteh> what's it supposed to be for 'mericans?
Jan 25 03:00:25 <johnx> en_US.UTF-8 should be reasonable
Jan 25 03:00:44 <johnx> lcuk, so smaller scribbles all over?
Jan 25 03:00:48 <johnx> or just on the right?
Jan 25 03:00:52 <celesteh> thanks
Jan 25 03:01:10 <lcuk> all over if poss
Jan 25 03:01:24 <lcuk> i know what that looks like... but i dont know how its happeneing
Jan 25 03:01:58 <johnx> thanks for the help diagnosing :)
Jan 25 03:02:11 <lcuk> if you are drawing with stylus and you put your finger on it, the cursor jumps and continues moving at some half point between your stylus and your finger but its always a deep full color
Jan 25 03:02:16 <johnx> if I press firmly on the left side of the screen with my thumb the calibration returns to normal for a while
Jan 25 03:02:38 <lcuk> have you got a scratch cover thingy ontop
Jan 25 03:02:45 <johnx> nope
Jan 25 03:03:05 <lcuk> thats the last time i saw something like this (it was on a DS)
Jan 25 03:03:49 <GeneralAntilles> http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/emo.jpg
Jan 25 03:03:51 <johnx> some people seemed to have a problem with this on ITOS2007 but some said that a new release of the firmware fixed it and some people RMAed theres
Jan 25 03:03:57 <GeneralAntilles> Calibration was fine, warm
Jan 25 03:04:16 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, thanks for the data point.
Jan 25 03:04:37 <GeneralAntilles> Warmer, in fact, than it's ever gotten from cpu-use alone.
Jan 25 03:04:47 <lcuk> when it happened with the DS they got nintendo replacement
Jan 25 03:05:11 <lcuk> it does look much more intense than my silly problem..
Jan 25 03:05:14 <johnx> lcuk, yeah. I'd RMA this in a second but I'm I live in Japan now
Jan 25 03:05:51 <lcuk> contact nokia anyway, or visit a local repair shop/.centre/dude
Jan 25 03:06:29 <johnx> I guess I should try that
Jan 25 03:06:36 <johnx> they don't sell them here though
Jan 25 03:06:59 <lcuk> how is it from cold with gentle touches?
Jan 25 03:07:11 <johnx> perfect
Jan 25 03:07:13 <johnx> dead on
Jan 25 03:07:25 <johnx> I can tap with my finger nails on the small onscreen keyboard
Jan 25 03:07:52 <lcuk> it sounds like an adhesion problem between the screen and the touchsensor
Jan 25 03:08:16 <johnx> hmm
Jan 25 03:08:24 <Tama^3> johnx: is meamo mapper reliable in Japan (as far as your experience goes)
Jan 25 03:08:24 <lcuk> once you press hard the capacitance/resistence changes and thinks its being pressed
Jan 25 03:09:25 <GeneralAntilles> The maximize/minimize outline boxes in OS2008 remind me so much of Mac Classic.
Jan 25 03:09:55 <johnx> Tama^3, fairly reliable, but my knowledge of place-name Kanji is ... bad, so I don't use it much
Jan 25 03:10:20 <lcuk> john, when did this start?
Jan 25 03:10:46 <johnx> sometime over the summer
Jan 25 03:11:07 <johnx> it was only once in a while though
Jan 25 03:11:56 <Tama^3> johnx: good, I m planning to go there for a while and will buy a BT GPS receiver if it works
Jan 25 03:12:15 <johnx> Tama^3, I don't have a GPS, so I just use it to mark out POIs
Jan 25 03:12:27 <lcuk> im guessing you will have pressed it harder than your normal touch when it happened (fat finger touches are more pressure)
Jan 25 03:13:04 <lcuk> i think all you can do is contact nokia and see.  take it from there as to how to continue.
Jan 25 03:13:04 <Tama^3> I have no reason to doubt GRS will work there too
Jan 25 03:13:18 <pupnik> hmm stylus makes good cigarette substitute..
Jan 25 03:13:25 <Tama^3> I think maemo mapper become much more useful with gps
Jan 25 03:13:34 <pupnik> hehe
Jan 25 03:13:35 <lcuk> it might even be worth (if your brave enough) stripping it down and giving the screen a close inspection to check for hairline cracks/bubbles or debris caught in the gutter
Jan 25 03:13:37 <johnx> oh, the GPS will but people in different areas have different results for how well the GPS location lines up to google map's claimed longitude/latitude
Jan 25 03:13:43 <Tama^3> pupnik: all chewed up?
Jan 25 03:14:07 <johnx> lcuk, I'll give it a shot
Jan 25 03:14:19 <johnx> it's easy enough to take the screen off at least
Jan 25 03:14:27 <lcuk> pupnik, dont do what i almost did.  i have stylus in mouth.  last night i had a cig in mouth and nearly poked my screen with lit end..
Jan 25 03:14:31 <johnx> I've taken apart enough laptops in my days ...
Jan 25 03:14:36 <pupnik> hahaha
Jan 25 03:16:05 <lcuk> john, failing all that - i wonder if one of those screen protectors will give you a bit more life - taking some of strain might allow you to use it without putting as much pressure on the screen
Jan 25 03:16:20 <lcuk> and hence not triggering the problem
Jan 25 03:16:33 <johnx> well once it's hot it doesn't matter how hard or soft I tap
Jan 25 03:16:56 <johnx> except that one firm press on the left makes it behave for maybe a minute or so
Jan 25 03:17:10 <lcuk> screen wouldnt get hot running maemopad surely?
Jan 25 03:17:22 <lcuk> it sounds more like a pressure related issue
Jan 25 03:17:42 <johnx> check CPU usage in maemo pad while scribbling constantly
Jan 25 03:17:53 <johnx> I bet it's pretty high for such a slow CPU
Jan 25 03:18:01 <lcuk> 50%
Jan 25 03:18:23 <johnx> but it stays woken up and runs at 400MHz I bet
Jan 25 03:18:30 <lcuk> does it matter what color i scribble in?
Jan 25 03:18:49 <johnx> yeah...green uses way more CPU power :P
Jan 25 03:18:52 <johnx> hmm?
Jan 25 03:19:06 <lcuk> lol im jokin, it might be the size of my brush
Jan 25 03:20:36 <lcuk> oh crap, ive gotta sleep sometime tonight
Jan 25 03:20:40 <pupnik> i'd love a statusbar showing current clock speed, power state...
Jan 25 03:21:08 <lcuk> rm_you is status bar dude, i bet its possible
Jan 25 03:22:05 <lcuk> is the touchpanel overlay glass or a plastic sheet on the lcd?
Jan 25 03:22:26 <pupnik> a chemical substance with a long name
Jan 25 03:22:26 <johnx> plastic I think
Jan 25 03:24:22 <elb> touch screens are generally a glass screen with a plastic overlay
Jan 25 03:24:22 <elb> although these days they might both be plastic
Jan 25 03:24:23 <pupnik> do not lick the screen and operate heavy machinery
Jan 25 03:24:30 <hachi> this is starting to drive me mad. every time I lock my n810 and walk from the current network zone, nto the world or something
Jan 25 03:24:45 <hachi> I will come back to it and the network picker window is open, and the keys are still locked
Jan 25 03:25:04 <johnx> hachi, something must be trying to get network access
Jan 25 03:25:23 <hachi> what the frell is opening the window? all it's doing is causing my cpu to wake up and search for wifi
Jan 25 03:25:33 <johnx> worse than that
Jan 25 03:25:48 <johnx> wifi wakes up and soaks up lots of power sending probe requests
Jan 25 03:25:56 <hachi> well, I'm running modest and pidgin, but I didn't have this issue last week
Jan 25 03:26:23 <lcuk> right, must sleep
Jan 25 03:26:46 <johnx> 'night lcuk
Jan 25 03:26:48 <johnx> thanks for the help
Jan 25 03:26:49 <lcuk> nite folks, and john at least email nokia and read up about touchscreens - i thik you might have damaged yours
Jan 25 03:26:59 <johnx> :(
Jan 25 03:27:05 <johnx> I will
Jan 25 03:27:28 <hachi> is there a way to set up pan between my tablet and a PC easily? the last set of instructions had no tools to do it and you had to speak via dbus manually
Jan 25 03:27:41 <lcuk> in the notes here about resistive screens it mentions sharp objects can upset the layer
Jan 25 03:27:43 <lcuk> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touchscreen
Jan 25 03:28:15 * johnx reads
Jan 25 03:28:16 <lcuk> as you say, when you first turn it on nothing is touching and the layer is kinda fine, then you will go over the damaged are and the positioning will be screwed
Jan 25 03:28:42 <johnx> lcuk, but if I let it cool for a while and come back it's just fine
Jan 25 03:28:45 <lcuk> i dont specifically think its temp with what im seeing but see what nokia say
Jan 25 03:28:56 <johnx> alright
Jan 25 03:29:28 <lcuk> i bet you could leave it running a busy program and leave it for a while and it will return to normal
Jan 25 03:29:42 <lcuk> even though it will be hot
Jan 25 03:29:55 <johnx> actually tried that
Jan 25 03:30:05 <lcuk> didnt work?
Jan 25 03:30:14 <johnx> I will test it again more scientifically, but heat seems to be a factor
Jan 25 03:30:19 <johnx> though other things may be as well
Jan 25 03:31:02 <holla2040> folks, I just deleted all my internet radio favorites, resulting in a blank ~/.mediaplayer-engine/radiochannels.m3u, could someone paste me yours so I can get the formatting. thanks.
Jan 25 03:31:03 <GeneralAntilles> johnx, you might Texrat up for a screen assembly
Jan 25 03:31:10 <GeneralAntilles> he may still have one or two lying around.
Jan 25 03:31:33 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, good idea
Jan 25 03:31:42 <GeneralAntilles> s/might/might hit/
Jan 25 03:36:51 * hachi duct tapes GeneralAntilles to the wall
Jan 25 03:36:54 <hachi> now stay
Jan 25 03:40:07 <GeneralAntilles> Colloquy went spastic.
Jan 25 03:45:14 * johnx wishes he had some canned air :/
Jan 25 03:46:12 <GeneralAntilles> Go drink some bottled water, then you'll be set. :P
Jan 25 03:52:46 <johnx> holla2040, http://pastebin.ca/871711
Jan 25 03:53:27 <holla2040> thanks!
Jan 25 03:55:31 <holla2040> got'er fixed up, working great now, thanks again
Jan 25 03:55:40 <johnx> sure
Jan 25 04:31:44 * Cymor is away: afk
Jan 25 04:33:58 <czr> hah
Jan 25 04:34:22 <czr> the part of the training material that my collegue wrote has a funny bug in it
Jan 25 04:34:28 <czr> do a google search with "maemo public api"
Jan 25 04:34:42 <czr> good thing that I never had the time to read that part of the material..
Jan 25 04:35:27 <T-BABIT> So I get an error of 'Device or resource busy' when trying to unmount /media/mmc1. lsof doesn't show any files being used there though
Jan 25 04:52:00 <Tama^3> silly question: are you booting from it?
Jan 25 04:53:01 <johnx> nah, he's trying to partition it so he can...I'm helping him
Jan 25 04:53:57 <hahlo> is luks supported in os2008?
Jan 25 04:54:42 <czr> hahlo, not with stock kernel/initrd
Jan 25 04:54:49 <czr> you'd need to roll your own
Jan 25 04:54:54 <hahlo> ok
Jan 25 05:19:17 <johnx> bluetooth works in N800/debian
Jan 25 05:19:33 <proteous> nice
Jan 25 05:20:06 <johnx> I didn't do anything so I guess it was just a matter of installing bluez-utils
Jan 25 05:33:37 <proteous> doing it without doing anything is even more brilliant
Jan 25 05:36:47 <johnx> testing out a2dp now :)
Jan 25 05:42:36 <oil> btw. can n800 use multiple bluetooth connections at the same time?
Jan 25 05:42:58 <johnx> I ... have no idea
Jan 25 05:43:09 <fysa> network connections?
Jan 25 05:43:11 <fysa> or device connections?
Jan 25 05:43:19 <johnx> I guess I could try file transfer while listening to a2dp
Jan 25 05:43:34 <oil> 1 for phone-> gprs and 1 for gps
Jan 25 05:44:00 <oil> well. me too. this is one of the things that should be easy to test
Jan 25 05:45:25 <GeneralAntilles> Yes, that works fine, oil.
Jan 25 05:50:35 <oil> GeneralAntilles: thanks!
Jan 25 06:56:50 <pupnik_>  you know, i swear
Jan 25 06:56:55 <pupnik_> an architecture firm that designs a giant building
Jan 25 06:57:04 <pupnik_> doesn't match some of these open-source projects
Jan 25 06:57:12 <timelyx> ?
Jan 25 06:57:14 <pupnik_> and average people don't respect these projects
Jan 25 06:57:19 <pupnik_> because nobody paid 500 millio0n dollars for them
Jan 25 06:58:17 <cizarro> average people don't appreciate architecture either
Jan 25 06:58:54 <pupnik_> yeah well i just spent the night digging through a project
Jan 25 06:59:06 <pupnik_> and ... god damn it.
Jan 25 06:59:20 <pupnik_> the authors deserve some respect
Jan 25 07:00:13 <pupnik_> a million little monkeys like me could never achieve what they did
Jan 25 07:00:15 <cizarro> I'm trying to find a free MPEG4 ALS codec
Jan 25 07:00:17 * cizarro sighs
Jan 25 07:00:25 <cizarro> heh pupnik_, which project?
Jan 25 07:00:31 <pupnik_> gemrb
Jan 25 07:01:05 <cizarro> what is it?
Jan 25 07:01:20 <pupnik_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUwUDoC3vc4  sorry for the lo res
Jan 25 07:01:20 <cizarro> ah. game engine?
Jan 25 07:01:27 <cizarro> heh. sorry you too. no flash :-)
Jan 25 07:01:33 <pupnik_> http://pupnik.de/GemRB_800x480_XL.jpg
Jan 25 07:01:35 <pupnik_> ok
Jan 25 07:01:46 <pupnik_> no flash is cool
Jan 25 07:02:01 <pupnik_> http://pupnik.de/GemRB-N810_001.flv
Jan 25 07:02:23 <cizarro> oh. nice pic
Jan 25 07:02:32 <pupnik_> ty
Jan 25 07:02:47 <cizarro> ah. it's a port of the old baldur's gate thingy and others.
Jan 25 07:02:56 <cizarro> found the project on sf.
Jan 25 07:05:09 <cizarro> hmm. pupnik_, the screeshot has shadows on the floor, are those rendered by the engine or part of the floor-tiles?
Jan 25 07:05:21 <pupnik_> pre-rendered / floor tiles
Jan 25 07:05:31 * cizarro nods
Jan 25 07:05:46 <cizarro> realtime shadow rendering would be nice though *coughs*
Jan 25 07:06:01 <pupnik_> crysis does a fantastic job of that
Jan 25 07:06:12 <cizarro> I wasn't too impressed with the graphics in it
Jan 25 07:06:25 <pupnik_> oh but the tech... real-time radiosity
Jan 25 07:06:26 <cizarro> although I only saw it in passing at some gaming fare.
Jan 25 07:06:32 * cizarro nods
Jan 25 07:06:41 <cizarro> I wonder why there are no hw-accelerated raytracers yet
Jan 25 07:06:55 <cizarro> similar to what opengl did, but for grounds-up ray-tracing
Jan 25 07:07:05 * cizarro waits another 10 years
Jan 25 07:07:25 <pupnik_> evolution of history
Jan 25 07:07:40 <cizarro> oh, I know. it's just sad :-)
Jan 25 07:08:02 <cizarro> with proper hw design, raytracing could be accelerated like hell
Jan 25 07:08:03 <pupnik_> you can download hw accel raytracers now
Jan 25 07:08:05 <hachi> anyone know if the sketch program on maemo is open source?
Jan 25 07:08:16 <cizarro> pupnik_, umm? which ones?
Jan 25 07:08:19 <hachi> I'm gonna start toying with things, I'm just curious ahead of time :)
Jan 25 07:08:33 <pupnik_> hachi, download mtpaint and make that your project
Jan 25 07:08:49 <pupnik_> cizarro: some russian demos
Jan 25 07:09:20 <inz> hachi, the sketch on ITOS is closed source
Jan 25 07:09:38 <hachi> okie
Jan 25 07:10:15 <cizarro> pupnik_, ah. crazy russians.
Jan 25 07:10:39 <cizarro> pupnik_, what did you mean by downloading though?
Jan 25 07:11:01 <cizarro> ah, you mean stuff that utilized directx/ogl2 in order to do the raytracing?
Jan 25 07:11:09 <cizarro> s/zed/zes/.
Jan 25 07:11:24 <pupnik_> http://www.google.com/search?num=50&hl=en&safe=off&q=pixel+shader+ray+tracer&btnG=Search
Jan 25 07:11:37 <cizarro> yeah. that's what I thought.
Jan 25 07:11:43 <cizarro> that far from optimum solution for the problem
Jan 25 07:12:29 <pupnik_> i've also thought that hardware could more closely simulate the real world
Jan 25 07:13:10 <pupnik_> but... there are plenty of smart people on the case
Jan 25 07:13:25 * cizarro nods
Jan 25 07:15:16 <pupnik_> cizarro: the tablets should get a snes emu in 2008, and a psx emu, and other stuff... pick a project :)  http://pupnik.de/software.html
Jan 25 07:17:08 <cizarro> heh
Jan 25 07:17:18 <cizarro> if only I'd be 15 years younger :-)
Jan 25 07:17:31 <cizarro> unfortunately have too many "important" things to implement atm.
Jan 25 08:44:57 <b0unc3> good morning
Jan 25 08:45:52 <johnx> 'mornin
Jan 25 08:48:17 <Tama^3> mornin'
Jan 25 08:48:23 <Tama^3> ops
Jan 25 08:48:27 <Tama^3> xD
Jan 25 08:48:47 <b0unc3> ehi johnx ... debian work fine on 770 :P
Jan 25 08:50:40 <johnx> that's great
Jan 25 08:50:52 <johnx> b0unc3, do buttons work for you?
Jan 25 08:51:00 <johnx> I'm having a heck of a time with them :/
Jan 25 08:53:20 <johnx> also, bluetooth should work if you apt-get install bluetooth and reboot :)
Jan 25 08:53:49 <Cptnodegard> hah!
Jan 25 08:54:04 <Cptnodegard> found a cheap N800 compatible mini usb cable with 5 pins
Jan 25 08:54:34 <johnx> really? it's wired like a mini-a, but fits into a mini-b socket?
Jan 25 08:56:01 * johnx goes afk, but will be back
Jan 25 08:59:59 <Cptnodegard> it fit without problem into the n800's usb port
Jan 25 09:00:05 <n0ob_> do those nokias need special usb cables?
Jan 25 09:00:23 <n0ob_> i'm thinking about buying an n810
Jan 25 09:00:25 <Tama^3> no n00b
Jan 25 09:00:48 <Cptnodegard> i got 4 of those cables at once and female jacks so i can mass produce auto-adapters i think >:D
Jan 25 09:00:50 <Tama^3> a normal USB cable will do if you want to connect the n8x0 as an usb disk
Jan 25 09:00:58 <b0unc3> johnx: no... the buttons seems not to work :(
Jan 25 09:01:38 <n0ob_> Tama^3: ok and what are the advantage of a special cable?
Jan 25 09:02:09 <Cptnodegard> you dont need root access to put it in host mode with a hacked cable
Jan 25 09:02:14 <Cptnodegard> it will do it by itself
Jan 25 09:02:29 <n0ob_> ah ok :)
Jan 25 09:03:22 <Tama^3> exactly that
Jan 25 09:04:33 <n0ob_> are there any problem with the n810? i have some experience with linux systems and eventually want to develop software for the maemo platform
Jan 25 09:18:26 <cizarro> n0ob_, what do you mean by any problem?
Jan 25 09:18:44 <cizarro> n0ob_, if you know / are willing to learn C, there's no problem
Jan 25 09:18:54 <cizarro> if you only know java (for example), there might be a problem.
Jan 25 09:19:04 <n0ob_> for example i read about the gps being slow at fixing position
Jan 25 09:19:11 <cizarro> for development, the tablets don't differ so much from regular gtk-environments
Jan 25 09:19:19 <n0ob_> cizarro: no java on the device?
Jan 25 09:19:26 <cizarro> n0ob_, yes. similar to most embedded device gpses.
Jan 25 09:19:38 <shres> hey, does xserver-xomap use the hardware on omap2420 to do all its drawning?
Jan 25 09:19:39 <cizarro> n0ob_, no java.
Jan 25 09:19:47 <shres> or is it some subset of it?
Jan 25 09:19:58 <cizarro> shres, only some subset. framebuffer afaik
Jan 25 09:20:10 <n0ob_> cizarro: thats not nice... what about all the applets in the www?
Jan 25 09:20:13 <cizarro> shres, it doesn't use the powervr (smt like that)
Jan 25 09:20:24 <cizarro> n0ob_, what applets? javascript is supported in the browser. java != javascript.
Jan 25 09:20:32 <cizarro> flash is also supported in the browser.
Jan 25 09:20:38 <shres> cizarro, ah interesting, is there a specific reason for that?
Jan 25 09:20:59 <cizarro> shres, lack of integration and the powervr stuff is closed/licensed separately
Jan 25 09:21:29 <|tbb|> Cptnodegard: with a hacked cable could you use the cable then only for host mode?
Jan 25 09:21:30 <n0ob_> cizarro: i know about java!=javascript... but java applets still exists out there, so i consider this as a missing thing
Jan 25 09:21:32 <cizarro> shres, as for the other stuff (2D blits and such), I'm not 100% sure. might be just lack of interest/no advantages in using it. etc.
Jan 25 09:21:52 <cizarro> n0ob_, you're free to consider it a missing thing :-)
Jan 25 09:22:05 <n0ob_> hehe
Jan 25 09:22:23 <shres> cizarro, cool, thanks a lot. I will read the /kdrive/omap code to take it from here :-)
Jan 25 09:22:49 <cizarro> shres, you may want to do a search on maeemo-developers list as well
Jan 25 09:23:08 <cizarro> shres, the dsp can also access the framebuffer directly (video decoding etc)
Jan 25 09:23:16 <cizarro> but that's pretty voodoo stuff
Jan 25 09:23:25 <cizarro> (at least for me)
Jan 25 09:23:52 <n0ob_> cizarro: just an other short question... do you know about a special channel mor dedicated to users? so i wont need to bother developers with newbies questions?
Jan 25 09:24:18 <shres> cizarro, woah, i didnt expect that.
Jan 25 09:24:25 <cizarro> n0ob_, there's a maemo-users mailing list at least. and I'm pretty sure that good questions will be answered here as well, not everybody here is a developer
Jan 25 09:24:40 <n0ob_> ah ok thx
Jan 25 09:25:06 <cizarro> shres, if that interests you, search the maemo-dev ml :-) (or ask lardman)
Jan 25 09:26:30 <shres> cizarro, will do :-), i will do my background research and ask on the list if i dont understand something.
Jan 25 09:27:33 <cizarro> please do :-)
Jan 25 09:27:43 <cizarro> the kdrive server that you'll be interested in is called Xomap
Jan 25 09:28:17 <shres> i checked out the xserver-xomap code in my scratchbox, is that the right server peice to look through?
Jan 25 09:28:34 <cizarro> I guess so. I haven't ventured on that path
Jan 25 09:29:04 <shres> the more i try to understand X, the harder it gets.
Jan 25 09:29:22 <cizarro> heh, I know that feeling :-)
Jan 25 09:29:33 <cizarro> I used to do some driver development in xf86-times
Jan 25 09:35:11 <inz> shres, the omap2420 built-in display controller is not actually used, but an external epson made one
Jan 25 09:35:49 <inz> shres, I think the omap display controller cannot handle such "high" resolution
Jan 25 09:37:21 <shres> inz, ummm... so i should be looking at kdrive/epson instead?
Jan 25 09:40:35 <inz> shres, I dunnae
Jan 25 09:41:07 <shres> inz, okie, thanks. I will rummage the mailing lists a little more.
Jan 25 09:41:44 <matmo> anyone know what /usr/bin/wizback is?
Jan 25 09:42:54 <inz> shres, it might be that the X does the drawing through kernel framebuffer, but again, I have no idea how it works
Jan 25 09:45:09 <shres> guys btw the search feature here http://search.maemo.org/ is broken for mail archives.
Jan 25 09:45:34 <shres> so if an admin is around, please do the needful.
Jan 25 09:46:59 <cizarro> shres, admins are too scared to be around this channel :-) (too much flak)
Jan 25 09:47:33 <inz> bergie is here at least
Jan 25 09:47:35 <inz> bergie, go fix it!
Jan 25 09:47:36 <inz> ;)
Jan 25 09:48:00 <bergie> that is a google search box, we have now control over it AFAIK
Jan 25 09:48:06 <bergie> s/now/no
Jan 25 09:52:05 <inz> The advanced search doesn't work at all
Jan 25 09:52:14 <cizarro> because there's a bug in the URL encoding
Jan 25 09:52:28 <cizarro> there's an unescaped < just before the "ADVANCED" part of the submit url
Jan 25 09:52:35 <cizarro> fix that, and then it might work ;-)
Jan 25 09:52:40 <cizarro> &lt; ftw.
Jan 25 09:52:50 <maddler> morning all
Jan 25 09:52:59 <shres> cizarro, damn, you beat me to stating the bug :p
Jan 25 09:53:22 <cizarro> I run on steroids, caffeine and 4-bit processing. I'm fast..
Jan 25 09:55:54 <shres> well, i dont blame myself. I was looking at kdrive code for last hour. Being dazed is but certain.
Jan 25 09:59:35 <|tbb|> morning maddler
Jan 25 10:00:48 <maddler> hi tbb... flashed ur IT?
Jan 25 10:01:30 <|tbb|> yes havent another chance ;(
Jan 25 10:01:42 <|tbb|> flashed
Jan 25 10:02:28 <maddler> yeah... sadly...
Jan 25 10:03:08 <maddler> but... beta testing it's (also) reflashing :)
Jan 25 10:06:03 <|tbb|> thats true but dumbness by me dont have doing a backup ;)
Jan 25 10:17:53 <maddler> well... you learned another good lesson :D
Jan 25 10:20:39 <oil> have you managed to get the imap working with gmail or should I go back to pop?
Jan 25 10:22:28 <Tama^3> gmail imap works with claws and modest
Jan 25 10:22:31 <Tama^3> :)
Jan 25 10:23:24 <oil> Tama^3: ok, I'll go back to pop :)
Jan 25 10:24:03 <oil> or is there some other good points to use those clients?
Jan 25 10:24:48 <maddler> brbbrb
Jan 25 10:24:56 <Tama^3> I find the UI in claws unworkable so I use modest
Jan 25 10:25:05 <Tama^3> and I think it is pretty good
Jan 25 10:34:57 <oil> modest looks quite good and seems to be working. now fetching which will take a while
Jan 25 10:39:24 <Web-Kanotix696> hi
Jan 25 11:19:02 <|tbb|> maddler back?
Jan 25 11:21:44 <maddler> yes
Jan 25 11:23:08 <oil> seems like the modest does not retrieve emai bodies & attachements automatically
Jan 25 11:23:30 <|tbb|> is it known what makes the continues reboot loop
Jan 25 11:25:27 <kulve> |tbb|: crashing daemon most likely. Or unresponsive OS.
Jan 25 11:27:54 <|tbb|> no i mean was there a problem with modest or with rtfcomm update, at least
Jan 25 11:28:24 <|tbb|> the screen turns to white after disableing watchdog
Jan 25 11:30:49 <florian> good morning
Jan 25 11:31:29 <maddler> it was a rtcom related issue...
Jan 25 11:31:43 <maddler> hi florian
Jan 25 11:31:43 <|tbb|> fixed?
Jan 25 11:31:46 <maddler> yes...
Jan 25 11:31:52 <florian> hi maddler
Jan 25 11:31:56 <maddler> 2.1-17 released and fixed...
Jan 25 11:32:01 <maddler> and tested as well ;)
Jan 25 11:32:03 <|tbb|> hey flo
Jan 25 11:34:09 <|tbb|> i should not be that fast in update beta versions
Jan 25 11:44:10 <maddler> |tbb|: or wait untile someone finds a bug instead of you... :)
Jan 25 11:45:49 <Khertan> hi
Jan 25 11:49:55 <|tbb|> or potentially backup - update - reboot
Jan 25 11:51:56 <henrique> anybody knows where I can find the python-abook package for chinook?
Jan 25 12:08:48 <henrique> hmm, they are in nokia-sdk-binaries
Jan 25 12:13:15 <sgbirch> Has the method used for rearranging the home page changed with the latest release (2008).  I cant seem to move the apps around any more?
Jan 25 12:28:50 <inz> damn, some hardy upgrade broke my scratchbox again
Jan 25 12:28:54 <inz> Now with vdso
Jan 25 12:36:58 <cizarro> inz, yay :-)
Jan 25 12:43:48 <inz> cizarro, fortunately that was a known issue and easy to fix
Jan 25 12:44:06 <inz> cizarro, might be because the -rt kernel that ubuntustudio pulled in
Jan 25 12:44:11 <inz> +ot
Jan 25 12:44:17 <inz> -t+f
Jan 25 12:49:40 <oil_> hmm. would gpodder be a good application to download music files from the mediaserver? Making a  script which would create xml file of the music on the server. Then give this file as a podcast feed to the gpodder.
Jan 25 12:50:24 <oil_> music librady is currently 20+GB and therefore can not be synced with the tablet
Jan 25 12:53:36 <lcuk_wrk> could some1 do me a favor plz and have a look how long ago my normal lcuk connection closed.  home connection not responding and wanna see if house has burnt down
Jan 25 12:55:19 <wnd> lcuk_wrk, about 3.5 hours ago
Jan 25 12:56:06 <lcuk_wrk> thanks, just after i left for work..
Jan 25 12:56:28 * lcuk_wrk uses nasa to check for smoke
Jan 25 12:56:56 <Khertan> Is there a way to be notified when network is available ?
Jan 25 12:57:21 <Khertan> what i want to make is launching a sync process each time my tablet is online ...
Jan 25 12:57:41 <lcuk_wrk> Khertan: i think osso has events for connectivity status
Jan 25 12:58:32 <Khertan> does this event can launch application ? or does i need to make a daemon ?
Jan 25 12:58:36 <lcuk_wrk> http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/maemo_connectivity_guide.html#InternetConnectivityDaemon
Jan 25 13:00:49 <lcuk_wrk> khertan, would you want this just for your app or allowing  for configuration of sync items?
Jan 25 13:02:05 <lcuk_wrk> might be an idea to write a mini daemon which just allows a script  to run upon related event (maybe someone  has already written one)
Jan 25 13:03:31 <Khertan> lcuk_wrk > in fact i m doing my own task application, and i want to write a web page to be able to see task from desktop and to edit it
Jan 25 13:04:38 <Khertan> lcuk_wrk > hum LibConIC API ... i don't see something about this in python binding ... :(
Jan 25 13:04:56 <lcuk_wrk> [pymaemo] Internet Connectivity (libconic) for maemo
Jan 25 13:05:03 <lcuk_wrk> try that..
Jan 25 13:05:28 <lcuk_wrk> crap sorry:   https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/pymaemo-developers/2007-March/000008.html
Jan 25 13:05:40 <lcuk_wrk> its the intention to produce bindings, not actual bindings
Jan 25 13:08:27 <lcuk_wrk> in the release notes for 2.51 (http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/oldnews.html) libconic is listed: New modules (gconf/gnomevfs, libconic, libid3tag, osso-mime, libjpeg -thanks to Matt Croydon).
Jan 25 13:09:38 <Khertan> great .. !
Jan 25 13:09:39 <Khertan> thx
Jan 25 13:10:42 <lcuk_wrk> better get back to work i think
Jan 25 13:11:12 <lcuk_wrk> before i go, khertan - any new changes/releases i should be watching out for?
Jan 25 13:11:40 <Khertan> :) no ... thx :)
Jan 25 13:11:50 <Khertan> need to get back to work too
Jan 25 13:12:06 <lcuk_wrk> catch ya later then
Jan 25 13:12:22 * lcuk_wrk vanishes again and still wonders if house has  burnt down
Jan 25 13:53:57 <ccooke> There's no way to get the oxxo xterm to *remember* you want no button bar, is there?
Jan 25 13:54:55 <Tak> osso-xterm is open-source, isn't it?  ;-)
Jan 25 13:56:38 <t_s_o> anyone else using simplelauncher and having trouble with the right-most icon?
Jan 25 13:57:45 <t_s_o> ccooke: funny, the original window ignored it, but when i hit "new window" from the menu, the toolbar was gone...
Jan 25 13:58:08 <t_s_o> and same even with the original window...
Jan 25 14:00:13 <ccooke> t_s_o: the thing that annoys me is I have to turn it off - twice! once for normal, once for full screen - every single time I start the terminal
Jan 25 14:01:17 <t_s_o> seems like some kind of bug
Jan 25 14:01:46 <t_s_o> like i said, if i launch a second window of xterm while the first one is running, and showing the toolbar, the toolbar goes away, on both of them...
Jan 25 14:02:13 <t_s_o> and thats even while the checkmarks are present on both options?!
Jan 25 14:02:56 <Khertan> the most annoying things with osso-xterm is when you can only see on screen 8 or 10 toolbar ... and not the consol
Jan 25 14:02:59 <Khertan> +e
Jan 25 14:04:05 <Khertan> oO°
Jan 25 14:05:27 <Tak> you mean the fullscreen keyboard? :-P
Jan 25 14:06:20 <Richard_> In sb2, "ls /lib" says no such file or directory. why?
Jan 25 14:09:18 <alterego> Richard_, are you running `sb2 ls /lib` ?
Jan 25 14:09:35 <alterego> Remember that SB2 is _very_ different to sb1 ..
Jan 25 14:09:51 <Richard_> alterego: yes
Jan 25 14:11:15 <alterego> Admittedly that's quite odd behaviour, but it's probably not broken behaviour ;)
Jan 25 14:11:33 <Richard_> [SB2 game] tgr@tgr-laptop /media/disk/sb2/build_root $ sb2-show path /lib /usr /bin
Jan 25 14:13:47 <L0cN800> re
Jan 25 14:14:14 <L0cN800> alterego, no irb un ruby for maemo ?
Jan 25 14:14:43 <L0cN800> problem to have it compiled ?
Jan 25 14:15:05 <maddler> L0cN800: aren't you on #maemo-it?! lazy bummer!!!
Jan 25 14:15:07 <maddler> :D
Jan 25 14:15:56 <Tak> do we really need a separate maemo channel for each language?
Jan 25 14:16:04 <alterego> L0cN800, it's around somewhere :P
Jan 25 14:16:20 <L0cN800> azz
Jan 25 14:16:23 <alterego> L0cN800, I'll just find it. My servers are still not up yet.
Jan 25 14:16:30 <L0cN800> vanished :)
Jan 25 14:16:51 <maddler> Tak: not really...
Jan 25 14:16:54 * Tak join #maemo-it, hold conversations in a mixture of bad french and bad spanish
Jan 25 14:17:22 <maddler> Tak: but you know... telling stupid stories in a foreign kanguage won't work! :D
Jan 25 14:17:40 <L0cN800> maddler, on freenode ?
Jan 25 14:17:42 <maddler> kanguage->language
Jan 25 14:17:45 <maddler> L0cN800: yep
Jan 25 14:18:50 <Tak> Estuve una senorita de Maringa...
Jan 25 14:20:08 <alterego> I think I'm going to rip open one of my broken Nokia chargers and wire up a USB->Nokia charger adapter.
Jan 25 14:20:39 <maddler> damn... can't recall how to change alt-tab behaviour in order to show windows on all desktops! :D
Jan 25 14:22:33 <Khertan> #maemo-ruby
Jan 25 14:22:37 <Khertan> :)
Jan 25 14:23:42 <alterego> Interesting ..
Jan 25 14:23:59 <Khertan> huhu maemo-python is a registered chan
Jan 25 14:24:00 <Khertan> lol
Jan 25 14:24:11 <alterego> The official channel is #ruby-maemo :P
Jan 25 14:24:26 <Khertan> arg ... ... i was near :)
Jan 25 14:24:41 * Tak $channels.each{ |chan| if(chan.name.matches(/^#maemo/)) then join(chan); end }
Jan 25 14:24:52 <alterego> Heh
Jan 25 14:25:03 <Khertan> #maemo-ruby
Jan 25 14:25:05 <Khertan> :)
Jan 25 14:25:19 <Khertan> pffff ... this doesn't work :)
Jan 25 14:40:06 <matmo_> anyone using vmware appliance?
Jan 25 14:40:31 <alterego> I use a para virtualized appliance.
Jan 25 14:41:41 <matmo_> I ran out of space and move some scratchbox directories to another drive and now cannot start maemo
Jan 25 14:42:32 <matmo_> I moved devkits
Jan 25 14:47:02 <alterego> matmo_, so you know what the problem is then ..
Jan 25 14:47:37 <matmo_> sb doesn allow links out side?
Jan 25 14:48:01 <matmo_> (kb acting up)
Jan 25 14:49:02 <alterego> No
Jan 25 14:49:12 <matmo_> alterego: I moved devkits dir to another drive and linked it. Inside SB it now says no such dir
Jan 25 14:49:26 <alterego> Yes, because scratchbox is chrooted.
Jan 25 14:49:37 <matmo_> so what to do? The 6G appliance is full!
Jan 25 14:49:40 <alterego> As soon as you enter scratchbox, those links become pointless.
Jan 25 14:49:59 <Tak> why not bind-mount instead of symlink?
Jan 25 14:50:01 <alterego> Resize the image?
Jan 25 14:50:14 <matmo_> Tak: how?
Jan 25 14:50:20 <matmo_> alterego: not poss
Jan 25 14:50:36 <Tak> mount -o bind /some/mount/point /other/mount/point   iirc
Jan 25 14:51:26 <micko_21> Hello, I have a problem understanding routing on N810. I have connected N810 to my laptop with usb cable, switched WIFI off, manually created "route add default gw 192.168.2.15 dev usb0". And ping and other shell commands work OK, but the WWW browser does not use this default route, and tries to make a connection using WIFI. Is there a way for the browser to use my routing table?
Jan 25 14:53:49 <alterego> micko_21, have you setup ipmasq on your laptop to allow routing to the internet?
Jan 25 14:53:54 <micko_21> Is it a bug, or expected behavior?
Jan 25 14:54:20 <micko_21> Yes, as I wrote ping works ok, ssh also.
Jan 25 14:54:33 <b0unc3> micko_21: dns?
Jan 25 14:54:49 <micko_21> Only when I open the browser the "Select connection" dialog window appears
Jan 25 14:55:04 <_collin_> you need the dummy_IAP
Jan 25 14:55:09 <micko_21> DNS is OK (using commandline).
Jan 25 14:55:23 <_collin_> micko_21: that was for you
Jan 25 14:55:23 <micko_21> What is that? (dummy_IAP)
Jan 25 14:55:29 <_collin_> check the maemo wiki
Jan 25 14:55:35 <micko_21> OK, thanks
Jan 25 14:56:09 <_collin_> it is to tell the device network infrastructure that there is a connection
Jan 25 14:57:39 <matmo_> Tak: bind doesn´t work either
Jan 25 14:58:13 * Tak shrugs
Jan 25 15:10:01 <micko_21> OK, so it is not like in a linux system ;) Good to know about it. Thanks _collin_, it works now! It should be added in the default configuration I think... Would be easier for (some?) users.
Jan 25 15:10:41 <dragorn> Very few people set up non-iap routes I think
Jan 25 15:12:47 <|tbb|> dragorn how can i get latest kismet version with dbus patch which shut down the nokia wlan connection thing
Jan 25 15:14:56 <micko_21> dragorn: yes, but I was fighting for 2 days now :( I suspected broken network code in the kernel. The solution is really simple, but is is really hard to find it for someone new to the maemo platform :(
Jan 25 15:15:31 <dragorn> anything hildonized that needs networking is supposed to talk to IAP to set up the connection
Jan 25 15:15:40 <_collin_> yep
Jan 25 15:16:13 <dragorn> I did spend several days fighting with IAP trying to get it to shut DOWN all the existing connections.  Apparently you can't do that, since it's just a reference counter
Jan 25 15:16:13 <micko_21> OK, I will remember.
Jan 25 15:16:48 <dragorn> I wonder if setting up a dummy IAP connection would be equally useful to shutting it down though.
Jan 25 15:17:40 <micko_21> Couldn't you just do ifconifg wlan0 down? Wouldn't it work?
Jan 25 15:17:53 <dragorn> Not so much
Jan 25 15:18:09 <dragorn> It's very very hard to get it to leave the wlan device alone, I'm finding
Jan 25 15:18:41 <dragorn> The only reliable way I've found is to kill wlancond entirely, which is like putting it to sleep with a sledgehammer
Jan 25 15:18:54 <dragorn> and even then it randomly hangs the device or doesn't come back normally.
Jan 25 15:19:54 <micko_21> On the other hand: how do people create packages for maemo? I am new to debian based systems. Yesterday I found about mud-builder, but I don't know if it is up-to-date? If yes, is there an update repository of *.xml recipes for it?
Jan 25 15:20:15 <dragorn> I fought with dpkg a lot, then said eff this, and I make them with tar and cpio
Jan 25 15:20:39 <Tak> mud-builder is fine if the package is already in debian and doesn't require extensive modifications
Jan 25 15:20:43 <micko_21> I did compile lua for maemo, but I wonder if there is a readline package for chinook?
Jan 25 15:20:55 <inz> arrgh, you shouldn't use tar and cpio for .debs
Jan 25 15:21:02 * Tak strongly agree with inz 
Jan 25 15:21:59 <fysa> The Ubuntu community forums have a ton of resources on making debs and such, most of those instructions should apply here to a degree.
Jan 25 15:22:05 <_collin_> miko_21: all the doku is in the wiki
Jan 25 15:22:34 <Tak> it's not that difficult - dh_make; edit the stub files in debian/ ; dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot
Jan 25 15:22:35 <micko_21> So what is the best place to find "source" packages for maemo (so I could compile it by myself)? I know only about mud-builder. There are some packages on garage.maemo.org, but those are binary packages, right?
Jan 25 15:22:37 <lophyte> morning all
Jan 25 15:23:08 <K-Fox> what is a mud-builder?
Jan 25 15:23:33 <micko_21> http://mud-builder.garage.maemo.org/
Jan 25 15:23:45 <Tak> micko_21: there should be source for nearly everything on garage
Jan 25 15:23:57 <dragorn> inz: be that as it may, it's that, or it would appear I'm not going to be building any debs for anything :P
Jan 25 15:24:51 <micko_21> I understand that "source" in debian is the content of the "debian" subdirectory? Or *.dsc files?
Jan 25 15:24:56 <|tbb|> micko_21: ive done that "iwconfig wlan0 down" thing long time before it has worked for me also
Jan 25 15:26:07 <micko_21> So, if I would like to check if someone did already a readline package for maemo, where should I look for it?
Jan 25 15:31:33 <inz> dragorn, the biggest problem with the tar+cpio is that you don't get source packages
Jan 25 15:31:52 <dragorn> inz: I'm not going to restructure my entire app
Jan 25 15:32:00 <inz> dragorn, why would you need to?
Jan 25 15:33:10 <Tak> micko_21: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/r/readline4/
Jan 25 15:33:13 <inz> dragorn, deb packaging doesn't really say anythin about how you should make your app, you just need to put some files to certain places and magic will happen =)
Jan 25 15:54:09 <ph|ber> y0 guys..
Jan 25 15:54:18 <ph|ber> you think nokia will move to ffs?
Jan 25 15:54:28 <ph|ber> http://www.deviceguru.com/2008/01/23/new-linux-flash-filesystem-offers-4x-speed/
Jan 25 15:54:51 <Tak> ffs - most amusing filesystem name ever
Jan 25 15:54:51 <zoran> it is bsd fs for hdd?
Jan 25 15:54:58 <ph|ber> no
Jan 25 15:55:02 <ph|ber> linux.
Jan 25 15:55:07 <ph|ber> flash filesystem
Jan 25 15:55:15 <ph|ber> mounts 500 times faster than jffs2
Jan 25 15:55:20 <ph|ber> er 500%
Jan 25 15:56:09 <lophyte> hahahaha
Jan 25 15:56:10 <lophyte> ffs
Jan 25 15:56:12 <lophyte> that's awesome
Jan 25 15:56:17 <fysa> mounts faster..
Jan 25 15:56:23 <fysa> but access/read/write?
Jan 25 15:56:35 <Tak> "FFS technology is not open source." uhh...
Jan 25 15:56:47 <Tak> so do you have to use fuse then?  or are they just morons?
Jan 25 15:57:09 <ph|ber> where did you see not opensource?
Jan 25 15:57:38 <Tak> in the article you just linked
Jan 25 15:58:01 <ph|ber> i dont see that anywhere.
Jan 25 15:58:20 <Tak> ffs, third paragraph under the image
Jan 25 15:58:23 <ph|ber> 400% faster write performance
Jan 25 15:58:27 <GeneralAntilles> Unlike JFFS2 or YAFFS, Datalight’s Reliance and FlashFX Pro FFS technology is not open source.
Jan 25 15:58:31 <sp3000> ffs, use search
Jan 25 15:58:41 <ph|ber> ahhh!..
Jan 25 15:58:45 <sp3000> s/search/find in page/
Jan 25 15:58:45 <Tak> sp3000 meant: ffs, use find in page
Jan 25 15:58:45 <infobot> sp3000 meant: ffs, use find in page
Jan 25 15:59:17 * sp3000 sobs
Jan 25 16:01:23 * fysa still thinks SDHC RAID is the way to go ;)
Jan 25 16:01:53 <zoran> have server in your pocket?
Jan 25 16:02:51 <fysa> raid0, so you can still pop one out
Jan 25 16:03:14 <GeneralAntilles> RAID . . . fun.
Jan 25 16:03:22 <GeneralAntilles> Who's gonna be the first to  implement  that on the N800? :P
Jan 25 16:03:23 <zoran> k, large files, no biggie
Jan 25 16:03:44 <fysa> problem is does the kernel support md?
Jan 25 16:03:57 <fysa> we'd need a hacked kernel..
Jan 25 16:03:59 <zoran> or make network nas and use it that way
Jan 25 16:04:29 <fysa> but network is slower..
Jan 25 16:04:42 <fysa> so your bottleneck would be the network instead of the array
Jan 25 16:04:58 <zoran> what purpose would it be for?
Jan 25 16:05:23 <GeneralAntilles> zoran . . . RAID ARRAY in your POCKET. :P
Jan 25 16:05:25 <fysa> purpose?
Jan 25 16:05:31 <fysa> two 8GB SDHC cards in the N800
Jan 25 16:05:40 <fysa> the purpose is bandwidth..
Jan 25 16:05:41 <unique311> Tak, ping
Jan 25 16:05:42 <zoran> when box made, it should have purpose in minds
Jan 25 16:05:49 <fysa> 128MB RAM means lots of swapping
Jan 25 16:05:57 <fysa> swapping likes fast media
Jan 25 16:06:06 <zoran> k, don't want to bother...
Jan 25 16:06:15 <fysa> I bet the device in general would feel much more snappy if we could even get to 15-20MB/s instead of 5-6MB/s
Jan 25 16:06:17 <zoran> I still think raid is not for pc etc
Jan 25 16:06:27 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
Jan 25 16:06:28 <GeneralAntilles> Bull.
Jan 25 16:06:31 <fysa> yeah, no shit
Jan 25 16:06:34 <fysa> RAID should be everywhere.
Jan 25 16:07:10 <fysa> not just the 8 drives in the linux server on my floor behind me.
Jan 25 16:07:14 <zoran> bigger hdd/mmc even better
Jan 25 16:07:48 <fysa> no
Jan 25 16:07:51 <fysa> RAID0 is mirroring
Jan 25 16:07:57 <zoran> no
Jan 25 16:08:00 <fysa> so you use two 8GB SDHCs..
Jan 25 16:08:03 <fysa> you only get 8GB total storage.
Jan 25 16:08:03 <zoran> it is raid 1
Jan 25 16:08:34 <zoran> 2 identical copies
Jan 25 16:08:34 <fysa> dur
Jan 25 16:08:34 <Tak> unique311: pong?
Jan 25 16:08:35 <fysa> haha sorry.
Jan 25 16:08:37 <fysa> I meant RAID1.
Jan 25 16:08:51 <zoran> 5 is interesting on n810
Jan 25 16:08:56 <fysa> how??
Jan 25 16:08:59 * Tak need tko's contentless p[io]ng script
Jan 25 16:09:02 <zoran> dunno  :)
Jan 25 16:09:05 <fysa> on N800 you have two SDHC slots
Jan 25 16:09:12 <zoran> 3 or more mmc-s
Jan 25 16:09:28 <zoran> :)
Jan 25 16:09:35 <Tak> fysa: my swap would be a lot more snappy, I'm sure
Jan 25 16:09:54 <unique311> is it possible to add lynx emu to xmaeme
Jan 25 16:09:59 <zoran> swap makes all fst on my 770, but i rerely use it
Jan 25 16:10:08 <Tak> sure
Jan 25 16:10:15 <unique311> found an emu for lynx that runs 16+ fps
Jan 25 16:10:23 <fysa> heh, cool
Jan 25 16:10:27 <Tak> very nice
Jan 25 16:10:34 <fysa> California Games here I come
Jan 25 16:10:34 <unique311> but screen size is kinda small.
Jan 25 16:10:45 <Tak> I just added gnuboy (haven't released yet)
Jan 25 16:11:15 <Tak> no option to multiply screen size?
Jan 25 16:11:23 <unique311> no
Jan 25 16:11:25 <fysa> how fast is the USB port on the N800?
Jan 25 16:11:35 <Tak> :-/
Jan 25 16:11:48 <unique311> but i think i can modify the source to change screen size.
Jan 25 16:11:52 <unique311> might slow it down
Jan 25 16:12:08 <Tak> hmm - is it small enough to be doubled?
Jan 25 16:12:16 <Tak> or is it too small for that to be enough?
Jan 25 16:12:28 <fysa> I think so.
Jan 25 16:12:33 <fysa> 160x102
Jan 25 16:12:53 <fysa> almost x5 ;)
Jan 25 16:12:55 <fysa> 800x510
Jan 25 16:12:56 <unique311> yes
Jan 25 16:13:03 <unique311> 160x102
Jan 25 16:13:07 <Tak> holy crap - it's smaller than gb?
Jan 25 16:13:11 <unique311> lol
Jan 25 16:13:40 <fysa> it's pretty old.
Jan 25 16:14:09 <fysa> http://www.ataritimes.com/images/lynx/distantlands7.gif
Jan 25 16:14:56 <fysa> 16 colors onscreen
Jan 25 16:15:06 <fysa> 1990
Jan 25 16:15:30 <Tak> so what's the emu?
Jan 25 16:15:43 <unique311> handy-sdl
Jan 25 16:15:55 <unique311> the source was really screwed.
Jan 25 16:16:04 <unique311> i can send you the one i modified to look at.
Jan 25 16:16:31 <Tak> sure
Jan 25 16:16:34 <Tak> how was it screwed?
Jan 25 16:17:11 <unique311> well letters were capped when they arent suppose to be.
Jan 25 16:17:17 <westdene> hi
Jan 25 16:17:23 <Tak> oh, one of those
Jan 25 16:17:30 <unique311> and that made for lots of such files cannot be found.
Jan 25 16:18:15 <unique311> http://www.emuhq.com/attachment.php?id=181
Jan 25 16:18:16 <Tak> I hate it when somebody makes a mod or a map for a crossplatform game like UT or NWN, and the files are all like SoMeMaP.ut2 and variously referenced as SOMEMAP, SomeMap, and somemap
Jan 25 16:25:00 <Tak> unique311: so...your modified source?
Jan 25 16:25:11 <unique311> sending it to you right now.
Jan 25 16:25:12 <unique311> gmail
Jan 25 16:25:18 * Tak nods
Jan 25 16:25:50 <unique311> that link i posted is not the one i used.
Jan 25 16:25:55 <unique311> thats another version.
Jan 25 16:26:01 <fysa> Gasparilla.
Jan 25 16:26:20 <unique311> trying to locate the link with the sdl version i used.
Jan 25 16:26:25 <Tak> cold for gasparilla
Jan 25 16:26:29 <fysa> Going to try to watch it from our balcony..
Jan 25 16:26:39 <fysa> I think the parade sets up/starts right in front/down the block
Jan 25 16:26:59 <fysa> but yeah, a bit chilly for beads.
Jan 25 16:27:02 <fysa> ;)
Jan 25 16:28:09 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
Jan 25 16:37:34 <elb> my N810 hit Memphis this morning at 0700
Jan 25 16:37:51 <elb> it could conceivably be here today, but I'm betting Monday
Jan 25 16:37:57 <ph|ber> ku.. want me to go and pick it up?
Jan 25 16:48:00 <Tak> hmm, built
Jan 25 16:50:26 <unique311> screen pretty small, heh
Jan 25 16:54:09 <dorkybot> the agony of fedex tracking and wasting time on irc ...
Jan 25 16:56:52 <korpios> dorkybot: mine says it's coming in tomorrow, so it looks like they're good for the two-day shipping
Jan 25 17:02:37 <dorkybot> mine is monday from TX to NJ
Jan 25 17:03:02 <dorkybot> just took nokia a long time to get it to fedex
Jan 25 17:03:49 <Tak> they flew someone from FI to TX to drop it off at fedex
Jan 25 17:04:07 <dorkybot> i thank them for the effort :)
Jan 25 17:05:07 <dorkybot> already read most of internettablettalk ...
Jan 25 17:19:55 <unique311> Tak, seems theirs a version of handySDL out there with pixel doubling already
Jan 25 17:19:58 <unique311> version 0.2
Jan 25 17:20:13 <Tak> link?
Jan 25 17:20:51 <unique311> no source just binary
Jan 25 17:21:01 <unique311> looking for the source code right now.
Jan 25 17:21:49 <unique311> http://sdlemu.ngemu.com/
Jan 25 17:22:34 <Tak> meh
Jan 25 17:24:38 <fysa> .
Jan 25 17:25:26 <unique311> i found it.
Jan 25 17:25:56 <unique311> i'm going to give it a try, and see how big the screen is.
Jan 25 17:43:58 <Andy80> hi
Jan 25 17:45:00 <Andy80> I'd like to test MaemoWordpy on my N810. I've just updated the application catalog, but latest available version is 0.5 not 0.6, where can I find it?
Jan 25 17:58:28 <alterego> Andy80, the catalog might not be up-to-date. Have you tried installing the install file anyway and seeing what version _that_ says it is?
Jan 25 17:59:12 <solmumaha> alterego: pm
Jan 25 17:59:22 <alterego> pm?
Jan 25 17:59:23 <Andy80> I clicked on this install file to install it: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/dists/chinook/install/maemo-wordpy.install
Jan 25 18:00:33 <solmumaha> private message
Jan 25 18:00:43 <Andy80> as you can see: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/m/maemo-wordpy/
Jan 25 18:00:49 <Andy80> the repository is not updated....
Jan 25 18:01:07 <Andy80> how can I install it if the repository is not updated?
Jan 25 18:01:19 <alterego> You can't.
Jan 25 18:05:57 <lcuk> w00000t - the house hadn't burnt down
Jan 25 18:06:24 * lcuk is always happy when it doesn't happen
Jan 25 18:06:51 <solmumaha> have you been unhappy about that?
Jan 25 18:08:18 <solmumaha> meaning has it burned sometime?
Jan 25 18:09:29 * lcuk has had fire department at his home before now yes
Jan 25 18:10:02 <lcuk> it wasnt so serious today, just the computer had fallen off the net
Jan 25 18:10:13 <solmumaha> ah, i know the feeling
Jan 25 18:10:34 <solmumaha> my house gets a lightning strike few times a summer
Jan 25 18:12:18 <lcuk> that cant be good for your hair
Jan 25 18:13:55 <solmumaha> guess not, if i had it
Jan 25 18:14:23 <lcuk> you could try sudo apt-get hair
Jan 25 18:16:20 <solmumaha> that would upset the wife
Jan 25 18:21:01 <unique311> got it at full speed.  but the screen is tiny.
Jan 25 18:21:20 <pupnik_> what at full speed?
Jan 25 18:21:25 <unique311> handy
Jan 25 18:21:30 <unique311> lynx emu
Jan 25 18:21:36 <pupnik> ah
Jan 25 18:21:54 <unique311> super tiny display
Jan 25 18:26:18 <Tak> next xmaeme will have handy_sdl support
Jan 25 18:27:50 <unique311> cool
Jan 25 18:28:31 <unique311> you found 0.2? or you playing around with 0.1?
Jan 25 18:29:47 <Tak> I used the usage info from 0.1
Jan 25 18:30:15 <aspiers> is there a howto for creating maemo repos?
Jan 25 18:30:20 <K-Fox> a size of n800 is suited to portable device?
Jan 25 18:30:50 <Tak> K-Fox: what?
Jan 25 18:32:12 <K-Fox> ?
Jan 25 18:32:47 <unique311> ??
Jan 25 18:33:16 <unique311> <K-Fox> a size of n800 is suited to portable device
Jan 25 18:35:29 <unique311> the n800 size is suited for a portable device? maybe
Jan 25 18:35:37 <unique311> even that dont make sense
Jan 25 18:35:52 <unique311> the size of the n800 is suited for a portable device.
Jan 25 18:36:15 <||cw> aspiers: same as a debian one
Jan 25 18:36:16 <pupnik> depends on size of pockets
Jan 25 18:36:43 <unique311> i'm just trying to make sense of K-Fox words
Jan 25 18:37:24 <||cw> K-Fox: your question makes no sense
Jan 25 18:37:32 <unique311> K-Fox, the answer is yes.
Jan 25 18:38:17 <K-Fox> ok , i learn a english
Jan 25 18:38:37 <unique311> don't worry
Jan 25 18:38:51 <unique311> maybe someone in here speaks in you native language.
Jan 25 18:39:19 <||cw> K-Fox: that's fine, but your question seemed to either missing important words or a complete misunderstanding of what an n800 is
Jan 25 18:39:20 <Tak> I think a great functionality for google translate would be: enter some text in language A, select that it was previously autotranslated from language B, and have it derive a different/better equivalent of what the language-A text is supposed to be
Jan 25 18:39:38 <K-Fox> ago a some day , i did buy the n800 in ebey
Jan 25 18:39:59 <Tak> ok
Jan 25 18:40:20 <unique311> you like it K-Fox?
Jan 25 18:41:33 <|tbb|> cu later
Jan 25 18:42:12 <K-Fox> Tak/  google translate can not increase my english skill
Jan 25 18:42:27 <Tak> I agree
Jan 25 18:42:35 <Tak> it doesn't increase my skill with non-english languages, either
Jan 25 18:42:38 <K-Fox> thank you
Jan 25 18:47:48 <K-Fox> ok i like the maemo system based linux
Jan 25 18:48:08 <lcuk> k-fox, maemo is very good :)
Jan 25 18:48:11 <Tak> I do too.
Jan 25 18:54:07 <lcuk> :( bye bye foreign maemo user
Jan 25 18:54:48 <lcuk> i bet he will poke around with it like we would with a chinese language version
Jan 25 18:55:00 <Tak> korean, in this case
Jan 25 18:55:05 <lcuk> yer noticed
Jan 25 18:55:20 <lcuk> didnt know whether we could paste unicode in here else i would have tried
Jan 25 18:55:52 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk, it's entirely client-side.
Jan 25 18:56:25 <Tak> ‽
Jan 25 18:56:36 <pupnik>  'suited' means appropriate or fitting, so he was asking if the size is a good one for a portable device
Jan 25 18:56:36 <lcuk> yer but if i paste unicode chars i wasnt sure if they would get truncated back to ascii and then look like crap
Jan 25 18:56:59 <Tak> pupnik: that still doesn't make sense to me, though
Jan 25 18:57:12 <GeneralAntilles> The server will send them as you send them.
Jan 25 18:57:49 <lcuk> yer but since each word has multiple maenings without professional translation korean and other languages literally do get lost in translation
Jan 25 18:57:57 <pupnik> agree Tak, the question behind the question was unclear
Jan 25 19:00:42 <vandenoever> yay, mplayer is nice
Jan 25 19:00:59 <vandenoever> now i'd like to make buttons that start mplayer with a radiostream
Jan 25 19:01:09 <vandenoever> is that easily possible?
Jan 25 19:01:56 <pupnik> buttons where?
Jan 25 19:03:53 <pupnik> looking at XGngeo a bit here... looks great unique311  :)
Jan 25 19:06:59 <unique311> thanks.
Jan 25 19:08:20 <unique311> 16-3 coming in a bit.  fixed it up a bit more.
Jan 25 19:10:02 <Luria> anyone know where that 770 compatible phone list is?
Jan 25 19:12:44 <vandenoever> pupnik: in a small app or bookmark list or in a start menu category
Jan 25 19:13:02 <vandenoever> pupnik: as long is it is easily start and stoppable for a newbie
Jan 25 19:13:29 <lcuk> 3[4p;5;l5p[78oi7tpoyo56iotkykjykyikt5iktoyo6o6oi7ioukukukjk,hkhlhhjighkgufikikrtiuri
Jan 25 19:13:49 <lcuk>   ccjfhfhjfjhgnghnjjggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggnb
Jan 25 19:14:22 <Tak> we really need at least one op in here
Jan 25 19:14:32 <jacques-work> :-|
Jan 25 19:15:50 <unique311> lcuk, is falling sleep on keyboard?
Jan 25 19:16:02 <script> maemo.org is toooo sloowwww :|
Jan 25 19:16:18 <vandenoever> script: the machine or the code?
Jan 25 19:16:25 <script> vandenoever: who cares?
Jan 25 19:16:29 <Tak> maybe he's having a seizure; somebody should call 911, or 999, or whatever the geography-appropriate phone code is
Jan 25 19:16:35 <script> it's unusable
Jan 25 19:16:39 <jacques-work> looks more like a cat or a small child typing
Jan 25 19:16:44 <vandenoever> script: ah the website, yeah, it's pretty slow
Jan 25 19:16:45 <solmumaha> or fire
Jan 25 19:16:49 <Tak> maybe his cat's having a seizure
Jan 25 19:16:58 <solmumaha> or is on fire
Jan 25 19:16:59 <vandenoever> script: it's to pretend it's popular ;-)
Jan 25 19:17:26 <unique311> maybe he spilled his coffee or drink on his keyboard.
Jan 25 19:17:32 <unique311> and in trying to wipe it clean.
Jan 25 19:17:34 <unique311> ahhh
Jan 25 19:17:44 <script> vandenoever: maybe ;)
Jan 25 19:17:46 <Tak> ...because he had a seizure when he discovered that his cat was on fire
Jan 25 19:18:04 <unique311> The world will never know
Jan 25 19:18:07 <solmumaha> a valid assumption
Jan 25 19:18:11 <script> and whotf limited that changelog field to 400 chars
Jan 25 19:18:14 <unique311> unless he tells us why
Jan 25 19:19:31 <script> but i just discovered a great new way of taking screenshots on a real device
Jan 25 19:19:50 <Tak> camera + mirror?
Jan 25 19:20:18 <script> ssh to the device, ssh -X back to your workstation and do something like xwd -root
Jan 25 19:20:49 <Tak> there is an actual screenshot app for the device...
Jan 25 19:21:12 <unique311> mh-shot-tool
Jan 25 19:21:15 <script> consider my procedure "the easy way" ;-)
Jan 25 19:21:17 <unique311> works really good
Jan 25 19:21:25 <unique311> and you can uplaod to flickr account with it
Jan 25 19:21:37 <script> do i look like some social-networking-victim?
Jan 25 19:21:39 <Tak> I consider clicking a button "the easy way" :-P
Jan 25 19:21:55 <unique311> shameless plug.   http://www.flickr.com/photos/unique0nez/sets/72157603785861583/
Jan 25 19:22:23 <unique311> social networking victim, so thats what i'm known as.
Jan 25 19:22:33 <unique311> I love the facebook.
Jan 25 19:23:01 <script> it's the dead of all privacy ;)
Jan 25 19:23:06 <script> or is it death?
Jan 25 19:23:15 <fugitivo> i'm working on a home plugin for facebook
Jan 25 19:23:30 <Tak> death
Jan 25 19:23:41 * script could never remember that .. ;)
Jan 25 19:23:43 <pupnik> vandenoever: in mplayer, enter the url of your stream in the window to the right of the 'play' button, then press play
Jan 25 19:23:47 <unique311> fugitivo, you will be god in my eyes.
Jan 25 19:23:48 <Tak> it's ok to give up privacy voluntarily
Jan 25 19:23:49 <unique311> semi-god
Jan 25 19:23:52 <lcuk> dfjtrgjt4jharghhh, sorry for keyboard intrusion - youngest again i thought i had closed this
Jan 25 19:23:56 <oil> unique311: urg. it's nice tool to find old friends, but all the 'hey. this is wonderfull application. install install install it. I send it to my 242 closest friends' .. that's no no.
Jan 25 19:24:00 <vandenoever> pupnik: i'm using the commandline version ...
Jan 25 19:24:02 <fugitivo> just waiting for my n810 to test it...
Jan 25 19:24:18 <unique311> oil, you choose to install the apps.
Jan 25 19:24:29 <pupnik> btw mplayer doesn't have a 'stop' button if you start a stream that way
Jan 25 19:24:36 <unique311> some of those apps are hard to resist
Jan 25 19:24:37 <oil> unique311: nope. naturally no.
Jan 25 19:24:43 <vandenoever> pupnik: but xterm does :-)
Jan 25 19:27:03 <unique311> oil, I think will facebook, all those little applications are installed by choice.  but it is pretty hard not to install them when you friends have them installed, and you need it to be social
Jan 25 19:27:17 <unique311> s/will/with
Jan 25 19:27:37 <unique311> don't know how to use that damn bot for the life of me.
Jan 25 19:28:03 <Tak> it requires the trailing slash, I believe
Jan 25 19:28:05 <unique311> will = with
Jan 25 19:28:14 <unique311> s/will/with/
Jan 25 19:28:14 <infobot> unique311 meant: with = with
Jan 25 19:28:20 <unique311> lol
Jan 25 19:28:23 <unique311> ok
Jan 25 19:28:33 <oil> unique311: that's true. therefore I'm waiting for the next big sosial network thing. I added an account by curiosity and to learn about it.
Jan 25 19:29:34 <lcuk> irc is gonna be massive ;)
Jan 25 19:29:38 <unique311> orkut is pretty cool
Jan 25 19:29:46 <oil> lcuk: that should be! :)
Jan 25 19:29:47 <unique311> but not alot of people know about it.
Jan 25 19:30:16 <unique311> the google social net
Jan 25 19:30:23 <oil> irc is almost 20 years old now. mature technology :)
Jan 25 19:30:27 <lcuk> orket is big in brazil so i heard
Jan 25 19:30:35 <lcuk> u
Jan 25 19:31:45 <unique311> big in india also, seems like
Jan 25 19:31:50 <oil> lcuk: the name 'orkut' is not very good for finnish markets.
Jan 25 19:32:26 <Tak> don't keep us in suspense; give us the translation!
Jan 25 19:32:29 <lcuk> oooer what does it mean there
Jan 25 19:32:44 <oil> it basically means 'multiple orgasms' .. well.. maybe good for some sosial networking ;)
Jan 25 19:32:52 <unique311> orkut or orket
Jan 25 19:33:00 <oil> orkut
Jan 25 19:33:34 <Tak> that sounds like the perfect name for finnish markets
Jan 25 19:33:38 <fysa> hahaha
Jan 25 19:34:27 <oil> keep that in mind if you send invitations to finnish friends ;)
Jan 25 19:35:21 <fugitivo> anyone controlling the air conditioner with LIRC and an IR transmitter?
Jan 25 19:36:29 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
Jan 25 19:36:35 <keesj> fugitivo: lol , no
Jan 25 19:36:37 <GeneralAntilles> If only my cheap-ass window unit were that cool.
Jan 25 19:37:16 <keesj> I only use it for kern-fusion
Jan 25 19:38:06 <fugitivo> i have a hauppauge pvr 250 that came with an IR receiver-transmitter and I want to use it to control my AA making a web interface for my tablet :)
Jan 25 19:40:08 <keesj> cool
Jan 25 19:49:42 <solmumaha> fugitivo: ir attached to pc with lirc?
Jan 25 19:49:48 <fugitivo> yes
Jan 25 19:50:02 <solmumaha> there is a project at the garage for an ui
Jan 25 19:50:45 <solmumaha> just make lirc listen to a tcp socket
Jan 25 19:51:30 <fugitivo> actually, what I need is programming lirc with the codes for the AA
Jan 25 19:53:59 <solmumaha> you have the remote for it?
Jan 25 19:54:44 <fugitivo> yes
Jan 25 19:54:56 <solmumaha> well irrecord should do it
Jan 25 19:55:33 <solmumaha> if lirc has drivers for your transceiver
Jan 25 19:55:55 <fugitivo> yes, I'm trying that but I don't remember if lirc is configured OK, I did it long time ago and I remember it was a mess
Jan 25 19:56:03 <fugitivo> I think I'm going to do it from the beggining
Jan 25 20:10:29 <oever> great, mplayer streaming also kills my wireless router
Jan 25 20:10:44 <GeneralAntilles> Sounds like you need a less-crappy router.
Jan 25 20:10:45 <oever> it took more than 1.5 hours for it to do so though
Jan 25 20:10:57 <oever> GeneralAntilles: it comes with the connection, no other option
Jan 25 20:24:37 <lophyte> I think maybe I'm going to pick up an 8gb sd card
Jan 25 20:25:00 <lophyte> plenty of room for kde and playing
Jan 25 20:28:43 <pupnik> looks like the $MV "/home/user/.icons" "/home/user/iconsBAK"  trick isn't working on my os2008
Jan 25 20:28:57 <pupnik> for synergy
Jan 25 20:34:39 <lophyte> hrm, if I get an 8gb sd card, I can split it in half, 4gb for generic storage and 4gb for kde
Jan 25 20:54:44 <lcuk_2> does anyone use Anjuta as their ide and does it handle maemo projects well?
Jan 25 21:08:33 <Tama^2> join #maemo-it
Jan 25 21:08:39 <Tama^2> err
Jan 25 21:08:53 <Tama^2> Hello ^^;
Jan 25 21:15:00 * Tak /ignore #maemo-it people :-P
Jan 25 21:18:40 <Tama^2>  /mock #maemo-it people
Jan 25 21:18:51 <Tak> equally good
Jan 25 21:21:44 <sbaturzio> Aloha!
Jan 25 21:22:29 <zookie> hi :o
Jan 25 21:23:11 <sbaturzio> well...I've solved my problem of one month ago
Jan 25 21:23:38 <Tak> calendar out of sync?
Jan 25 21:23:42 <sbaturzio> the problem was connecting the N800 to my linux pc with the usb cable
Jan 25 21:23:50 <sbaturzio> only one SD card was visibile
Jan 25 21:24:02 <sbaturzio> now I've solved adding the CONFIG_SCSI_MULTI_LUN=y option to the kernel
Jan 25 21:24:03 <sbaturzio> :)
Jan 25 21:24:20 <GeneralAntilles> I think Nokia updated the released code.
Jan 25 21:24:36 <GeneralAntilles> I know fanoush had some trouble with the modified 50-2 kernel.
Jan 25 21:24:37 <sbaturzio> in other words: linux must probe more Logical Unit on the SCSI device to enable both SD cards
Jan 25 21:25:50 <Tak> wow - I can't believe that wasn't enabled by default
Jan 25 21:27:25 <sbaturzio> Tak: you mean that option on kernel? I'm using a custom kernel O:-)
Jan 25 21:27:44 <lcuk_2> would that be visible to windows or is the drive formatted as something else?
Jan 25 21:28:37 <Tak> I'm surprised it's not enabled by default when you enable scsi
Jan 25 21:29:10 <Tak> and if it was, allow me to quote Grandma Milhouse: "Idioto!"  :-P
Jan 25 21:29:26 <sbaturzio> Tak: don't know if that option is enabled by default, my .config is really messed up
Jan 25 21:29:43 <Tak> lcuk: I used to use anjuta; it handled most c and c++ makefile- and autotools-based projects pretty well
Jan 25 21:29:47 <sbaturzio> Tak: better "Idiota!" :-D
Jan 25 21:31:25 <Tak> are you telling me that you're female, or that the simpsons were wrong?
Jan 25 21:31:26 <lcuk_2> tak, i gather then i can get it setup to produce maemo applications?  it seems a little more targeted than exclipse which has always felt like a trainwreck to me
Jan 25 21:32:25 <Tak> is it possible? yes.  is is trivial? dunno
Jan 25 21:33:11 <lcuk_2> fair enough, ill have a looksee.
Jan 25 21:33:32 <sbaturzio> Tak: there is no "idioto", it's a non existant word
Jan 25 21:34:01 <sbaturzio> Tak: "idiota" could be used for male and female
Jan 25 21:34:02 <Tak> That's it - I'm never watching the simpsons again.
Jan 25 21:34:10 <zookie> :/
Jan 25 21:34:24 <zookie> scary idea
Jan 25 21:35:16 <zookie> thats  like never reading  dilbert again :/
Jan 25 21:35:27 <sbaturzio> or userfriendly
Jan 25 21:36:07 <GeneralAntilles> It's been about 7 seasons since the Simpsons were funny.
Jan 25 21:37:02 <zookie> well, takes some time tilll newer seasons are shown on german tv ;)
Jan 25 21:44:14 <Blafasel> GeneralAntilles: You seem to have rather strong opinions. The N810 sucks, Simpson isn't funny and life was better ~ 10 years ago? ;) Well, I still like both.
Jan 25 21:45:06 <|tbb|> blasfasel  hey
Jan 25 21:45:08 <zookie> well life was better 10 years ago :) being 21 then
Jan 25 21:45:59 <|tbb|> what about iodine
Jan 25 21:46:17 <Blafasel> |tbb|: Good that you mention it. Give me a sec, I'll start it right away.
Jan 25 21:46:24 <Blafasel> zookie: hrhr.. Nice one.
Jan 25 21:52:33 <GeneralAntilles> Life was better ten years ago?
Jan 25 21:52:56 <GeneralAntilles> What's the matter with strong opinions, anyway?
Jan 25 21:53:09 <Blafasel> Okay, I pulled one third of my claims out of my a.. ;)
Jan 25 21:53:25 <GeneralAntilles> I'd say so, 10 years ago I was 10
Jan 25 21:53:43 <Blafasel> Nothing, they are quite common. Especially in IT, imo.
Jan 25 21:54:56 <Blafasel> |tbb|: My AP doesn't like me right now, have to check what's up..
Jan 25 21:55:23 <zookie> mm 10... funny age
Jan 25 21:56:06 <zookie> there were no mobiles when i was 10... lovely :)
Jan 25 21:58:56 <zookie> Blafasel, just hit it with a  stick
Jan 25 22:00:06 <Blafasel> zookie: Did, works now ;)
Jan 25 22:00:14 <zookie> ;)
Jan 25 22:00:19 <Blafasel> |tbb|: Hmm.. Doesn't work for me, different versions.
Jan 25 22:00:40 <|tbb|> yeah u need 4.0
Jan 25 22:01:12 <Blafasel> 0.4.1 on the server.. 0.4.0 isn't even offered as package. *sigh*
Jan 25 22:11:43 <zookie> omg
Jan 25 22:11:48 <zookie> beer's empty
Jan 25 22:12:52 <Blafasel> 2 left here. More than enough, given how tired I am..
Jan 25 22:13:31 <zookie> well one left, im  just too lazy to  get it :/
Jan 25 22:15:41 <zookie> mm need  a fag
Jan 25 22:19:18 <|tbb|> anyone knows how to send messagebox to maemo-desktop with dbus-send
Jan 25 22:20:18 <GeneralAntilles> Very carefully, |tbb|. :P
Jan 25 22:20:44 <zookie> true that
Jan 25 22:20:54 <zookie> it might bite :/
Jan 25 22:21:09 <Tama^2> yes it does not like to be messaged xD
Jan 25 22:24:14 <|tbb|> GeneralAntilles: what you mean?
Jan 25 22:24:45 <GeneralAntilles> Read as: I don't know. ;)
Jan 25 22:26:05 <Tama^2> I remember reading how to do it but I cannot recall where I read it
Jan 25 22:30:09 <|tbb|> ihave found something inz should know more about it, but this dont work on chinook for me
Jan 25 22:33:52 * lcuk prepares for morning
Jan 25 22:33:58 <zookie> :o
Jan 25 22:35:04 <Blafasel> One more beer and then off to bed.. And tomorrow I'll start to read about wifi drivers. Hopefully? Damn, it's hard to overcome one's own lazyness.
Jan 25 22:35:20 <lcuk> its strange how i need to sleep ealier at weekends than in the wekpek
Jan 25 22:35:26 <zookie> wifi is evil
Jan 25 22:38:00 <zookie> mm just found  another beer :D
Jan 25 22:38:21 <Blafasel> ;)
Jan 25 22:40:06 <zookie> mm girlfriend just arrived in london, hope she doesn't expect an answer to her sms ^_^
Jan 25 22:41:04 <Blafasel> hrhr. Where're you from?
Jan 25 22:41:44 <zookie> hamburg, germany
Jan 25 22:42:01 <spirytusick> re all
Jan 25 22:42:31 <zookie> yo  spirytusick whassup
Jan 25 22:43:08 <spirytusick> cruisin.. :)
Jan 25 22:45:27 <Lurianic>   zookie, wifi is my moble isp
Jan 25 22:45:39 <Lurianic> s/moble/mobile
Jan 25 22:47:46 <zookie> no
Jan 25 22:47:49 <zookie> its evil
Jan 25 22:48:08 <Blafasel> Just listening to HH based music ;)
Jan 25 22:49:06 <zookie> dynamite deluxe? kettcar? something completely different? ;P
Jan 25 22:49:34 <Blafasel> Wow, quite good..
Jan 25 22:49:52 <Lurianic> isp's are evil
Jan 25 22:50:04 <Lurianic> so, universal order is maintained.
Jan 25 22:50:24 <zookie> mm dynamite deluxe? new album?
Jan 25 22:50:25 <Blafasel> I'll visit Dynamite Deluxe as soon as they're going to play in Cologne (Feb/March, iirc), but I currently listen to last.fm, "Eins Zwo" ;)
Jan 25 22:50:40 <zookie> mm dendemann
Jan 25 22:50:54 <zookie> good choice :)
Jan 25 22:51:13 <Blafasel> Aye. Saw him live, he's great!
Jan 25 22:51:40 <zookie> well i hope i'll get some dd-tickets for march ^_^
Jan 25 22:51:53 <Blafasel> Good luck ;)
Jan 25 22:52:01 <zookie> heh
Jan 25 22:52:19 <zookie> 1st concert is sold out already :/
Jan 25 22:52:30 <pupnik> somebody should make a tracker/rhythmbox app for the tablets
Jan 25 22:52:36 <zookie> you know curse?
Jan 25 22:52:40 <Blafasel> Where?
Jan 25 22:52:43 <Blafasel> Sure I do..
Jan 25 22:52:44 <t_s_o> hmm, modest is being troublesome...
Jan 25 22:53:15 <Blafasel> I currently happen to wear a T-Shirt with a barely readable (washed out) signature of Curse..
Jan 25 22:53:24 <t_s_o> fisrt it crashed when downloading one of my pop accounts, and now it just refuse to download anything from the same account...
Jan 25 22:53:35 <zookie> nice :)
Jan 25 22:53:48 <Blafasel> Yep, Splash! is nice ,)
Jan 25 22:54:16 <zookie> yeah, most of my friends aren't into hiphop though :(
Jan 25 22:54:53 <Blafasel> *shrug* Last time (3rd Splash! visit for me) none of my friends hat the time/money, so I went there alone. It was still great.
Jan 25 22:55:12 <zookie> sure it is :)
Jan 25 22:55:20 <Blafasel> It's not like you're alone on a (small, yeah, but..) 25 thousand person festival
Jan 25 22:56:24 <zookie> nothing wrong with having a sexy girl around you though ;D
Jan 25 22:56:57 <Blafasel> Uhm.. You know that there are a bunch of those anyway? ;)
Jan 25 22:57:41 <zookie> as long  as they're not kiddies ;P
Jan 25 22:59:07 <zookie> ppl in hamburg  listening to hiphop are quite scary sometimes ;P more  like gangstaz
Jan 25 22:59:16 <Blafasel> Naah..
Jan 25 23:06:45 <zookie> yeah really
Jan 25 23:07:47 <LastLemming> any news about the after N810?
Jan 25 23:08:13 <LastLemming> wimax?
Jan 25 23:11:52 <pupnik> wimax is planned
Jan 25 23:12:20 <zookie> w00t
Jan 25 23:12:32 <LastLemming> hey what mean w00t ?
Jan 25 23:12:52 <zookie> n810 is  far  too expensive though
Jan 25 23:12:54 <czr> wild double-zero tool
Jan 25 23:13:10 <czr> or sometimes wet double-zero tool.
Jan 25 23:13:17 <czr> depends whether you're talking about before or after.
Jan 25 23:13:30 <zookie> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=woot
Jan 25 23:13:45 <LastLemming> thx
Jan 25 23:16:14 <LastLemming> next nokia will ship for next 6 months?
Jan 25 23:16:47 <zookie> o_O
Jan 25 23:17:12 <LastLemming> after*
Jan 25 23:18:28 <LastLemming> n810 got regression like the cam and no fm tuner
Jan 25 23:19:25 <GeneralAntilles> Stupid WiMAX . . . OMAP3 or bust!
Jan 25 23:20:50 <pupnik> wimax is a niche
Jan 25 23:21:02 <Blafasel> I love the N810, but the missing airreply injection support is really evil and would've stopped me from buying it. I just didn't know it before..
Jan 25 23:21:31 <zookie> quite funny, amazon.de sells the n800 for 404,-  EUR now  :o
Jan 25 23:21:56 <Blafasel> zookie: Whaaa? Yeah, really cheap. Not.
Jan 25 23:22:10 <zookie> well
Jan 25 23:22:11 <LastLemming> n800 around 230€
Jan 25 23:22:26 <zookie> thats more like it
Jan 25 23:22:37 <zookie> got mine for EUR240,-
Jan 25 23:23:02 <LastLemming> I don't know what I should do
Jan 25 23:23:07 <LastLemming> get n800
Jan 25 23:23:15 <tekonivel> I paid 250 iirc
Jan 25 23:23:20 <Tama^2> Nokia online shop had n800 for about 249 Euro
Jan 25 23:23:24 <LastLemming> or wait for next one
Jan 25 23:23:40 <GeneralAntilles> N800 > N810 if you don't mind using the fullscreen keyboard.
Jan 25 23:23:58 <Tama^2> yea, that or a BT keyboard
Jan 25 23:24:15 <GeneralAntilles> Personally, I use the N800's fullscreen keyboard with great success.
Jan 25 23:24:17 <tekonivel> Usb kb too, right?
Jan 25 23:24:24 <LastLemming> when will next one will ship?
Jan 25 23:24:29 <zookie> why would i use a bt keyboard? ;P
Jan 25 23:24:54 <GeneralAntilles> LastLemming, no real info, but my guess is that it can't possibly be more than 8 months from now.
Jan 25 23:25:04 <GeneralAntilles> N810 wasn't a real upgrade over the N800.
Jan 25 23:25:11 <GeneralAntilles> So we're kinda due for one.
Jan 25 23:25:16 <tekonivel> zookie: so i can eavesdrop on ur passwds :)
Jan 25 23:25:32 <Blafasel> That's not a fact but an impression.
Jan 25 23:25:50 <LastLemming> yes if the next one it's just got small update too I should get n800 right now instead to wait
Jan 25 23:25:53 <zookie> oh  i dont use passwds ;D
Jan 25 23:26:00 <Blafasel> I wouldn't want to trade the 810 for a 800. Yes, the keyboard is the main reason
Jan 25 23:26:35 <GeneralAntilles> Blafasel, I can get two N800's for the price of an N810 that'll have less storage.
Jan 25 23:26:37 <GeneralAntilles> Not worth it.
Jan 25 23:26:46 <zookie> quite funny  though,  you cant  buy an amazon.de n800  for decent money atm
Jan 25 23:26:57 <Blafasel> GeneralAntilles: Subjective. The storage isn't worth a dime for me.
Jan 25 23:27:20 <LastLemming> the n810 can't rotate like n800
Jan 25 23:27:28 <LastLemming> and no fm tuner
Jan 25 23:27:31 <Blafasel> That's the whole point of these devices for me: Everyone can use it their way.
Jan 25 23:28:52 <GeneralAntilles> LastLemming, keyboard and outdoor visibility would be the only reason to buy an N810.
Jan 25 23:29:16 <Blafasel> The N800 supports GPS as well, right?
Jan 25 23:29:26 <LastLemming> oh yeah GPS
Jan 25 23:29:26 <GeneralAntilles> It supports bluetooth, yes.
Jan 25 23:29:29 <zookie> mmm holux m1200
Jan 25 23:29:33 <Blafasel> So - no?
Jan 25 23:29:40 <GeneralAntilles> LastLemming, the N810's GPS is a bit of a joke.
Jan 25 23:29:42 <Blafasel> Really, I don't know it.
Jan 25 23:29:44 <LastLemming> m1200 it's the next one?
Jan 25 23:29:52 <GeneralAntilles> 5+ minute cold-starts for a lot of people.
Jan 25 23:30:01 <GeneralAntilles> LastLemming, Holux M1200 is a Bluetooth GPS.
Jan 25 23:30:05 <LastLemming> ah ok
Jan 25 23:30:05 <Blafasel> Hm? Live test.. ;-)
Jan 25 23:30:08 <zookie> and works
Jan 25 23:30:20 <GeneralAntilles> "for a lot of people"
Jan 25 23:30:48 <zookie> welll  except for  GeneralAntilles
Jan 25 23:31:11 <GeneralAntilles> I was quoting my self in response to Blafasel.
Jan 25 23:31:19 <GeneralAntilles> My i-blue 737 is absolutely fantastic.
Jan 25 23:31:23 <LastLemming> GeneralAntilles, are you from Antilles islands?
Jan 25 23:31:25 <Blafasel> *shrug* Either it's a device thing (for most/all people) or a regional/receiver thing. I never used it til today, my car has its own gps/nav anyway.
Jan 25 23:31:32 <GeneralAntilles> Incredibly accurate, great battery life, fast acquisition.
Jan 25 23:31:39 <GeneralAntilles> LastLemming, it's a Star Wars thing.
Jan 25 23:31:43 <LastLemming> oh
Jan 25 23:31:53 <Blafasel> But just for fun I'll start the maps app right now here in my flat. No idea if it gets a lock at all..
Jan 25 23:32:12 <zookie> most likely
Jan 25 23:32:13 <zookie> not
Jan 25 23:32:32 <Blafasel> Hmm.. No idea, really.
Jan 25 23:32:43 <Blafasel> Running, searching for sats.
Jan 25 23:34:25 <Blafasel> Hmm.. Seems like this experiment support the poor performance ;)
Jan 25 23:34:57 <Blafasel> No lock yet, no useable results. Fascinating.
Jan 25 23:35:26 <tekonivel> Blafasel: demo fx
Jan 25 23:35:55 <zookie> build your own sattelites!
Jan 25 23:35:55 <Blafasel> Hm?
Jan 25 23:36:51 <GeneralAntilles> Yes, like I said, the N810's GPS is a bit of a joke.
Jan 25 23:37:09 <MagicFab_> Hi all
Jan 25 23:37:18 <MagicFab_> How can I reset my N810 ssh password ?
Jan 25 23:37:20 <zookie> yo MagicFab_
Jan 25 23:37:39 <MagicFab_> I am afraid I was a bit too fast in setting it up when I Installed the package.
Jan 25 23:38:27 <GeneralAntilles> MagicFab_, install becomeroot, the do: sudo gainroot
Jan 25 23:38:30 <GeneralAntilles> passwd from there.
Jan 25 23:38:59 <tekonivel> MagicFab_: i was about to suggest to become root and run passwd... I guess out of the question :/
Jan 25 23:39:16 <MagicFab_> ok, the usual.
Jan 25 23:39:36 <spirytusick> all: is there a way of enabling red pill mode from the commandline ?
Jan 25 23:39:49 <MagicFab_> Another quickie.. where can I find the Pidgin data ? It's usually on ~/.purple on a desktop account
Jan 25 23:40:41 <GeneralAntilles> spirytusick, does red-pill do anything from the command line?
Jan 25 23:41:04 <spirytusick> GeneralAntilles: I have no idea, but I suppose it should...
Jan 25 23:41:48 <spirytusick> GeneralAntilles: or perhaps it might just be the feature of the package manager
Jan 25 23:42:03 <GeneralAntilles> That's kinda what I was figuring, but I'm not sure.
Jan 25 23:42:13 <spirytusick> GeneralAntilles: and you probably are right...
Jan 25 23:42:17 <GeneralAntilles> You may not be able to force certain packages like you can in red-pill.
Jan 25 23:42:23 <GeneralAntilles> Haven't done any direct testing there.
Jan 25 23:42:32 <spirytusick> ne neither but I think I will
Jan 25 23:42:40 <MagicFab_> GeneralAntilles, tekonivel - I am in :) tx.
Jan 25 23:42:46 <GeneralAntilles> Sure.
Jan 25 23:43:39 <spirytusick> with the mess with some of the packages having fixed dependencies it is a pain sometimes
Jan 25 23:43:52 <zookie> packages suck
Jan 25 23:44:07 <matmo_> could anyone using the vmware appliance check a couple of things for me? I would like to know the amount of free disk space, the space taken up by the /scratchbox dir and if you have a duplicate ¨scratchbox" dir in /scratchbox/users/maemo?
Jan 25 23:44:54 <matmo_> (by duplicate I mean same inode as /scratchbox)
Jan 25 23:50:42 <MagicFab_> What would be a good text editor for a "nano, non-vi" person like me ?
Jan 25 23:50:53 <czr> nano? :-)
Jan 25 23:51:14 <MagicFab_> :D
Jan 25 23:51:32 <tekonivel> MagicFab_: what's wrong with vi??? :)
Jan 25 23:51:38 <LastLemming> vim
Jan 25 23:51:43 * czr remembers why he didn't like buildroot.
Jan 25 23:51:46 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
Jan 25 23:51:52 <tekonivel> MagicFab_: ex
Jan 25 23:51:57 <czr> ed!
Jan 25 23:51:58 <zookie> root sux
Jan 25 23:51:59 <GeneralAntilles> MagicFab_, just learn it, you'll be happy once you do. :P
Jan 25 23:53:02 <MagicFab_> GeneralAntilles, I thought you knew about this stuff
Jan 25 23:53:08 <LastLemming> big chance OMAP3 for next nokia?
Jan 25 23:53:18 <zookie> mmm stuf
Jan 25 23:53:22 <zookie> +f
Jan 25 23:53:39 <GeneralAntilles> LastLemming, it's mostly logical deduction.
Jan 25 23:53:45 <GeneralAntilles> There's no chance of them moving to x86
Jan 25 23:53:48 <tekonivel> I don't even know which editors are readdily available in maemp
Jan 25 23:53:58 <GeneralAntilles> and there aren't really any other ARM platforms for them to move to.
Jan 25 23:54:32 <LastLemming> n800 and n810 it's same one
Jan 25 23:54:42 <GeneralAntilles> They can't possibly get away with releasing another one on OMAP2.
Jan 25 23:54:44 <LastLemming> and big diff
Jan 25 23:54:51 <GeneralAntilles> So it pretty much has to be OMAP3
Jan 25 23:54:53 <LastLemming> no big diff
Jan 25 23:54:59 <tekonivel> How about crusoe?
Jan 25 23:55:13 <LastLemming> with OMAP3 it will be a big diff so?
Jan 25 23:55:36 <GeneralAntilles> Specifically the OMAP3430
Jan 25 23:55:38 <LastLemming> it will like the jump 770 to 800
Jan 25 23:55:45 <GeneralAntilles> Bigger
Jan 25 23:55:54 <GeneralAntilles> Why? No more 3rd-party LCD controllers. :D
Jan 25 23:56:00 <pupnik> bingo
Jan 25 23:56:08 <GeneralAntilles> Which almost certainly means hardware video-decoding and OpenGL acceleration.
Jan 25 23:56:13 <GeneralAntilles> (makes me giddy just thinking about it)
Jan 25 23:56:36 <LastLemming> so I should wait, and keep enough money for the next one :)
Jan 25 23:56:46 <tekonivel> And video out, plskthx
Jan 25 23:57:06 <MagicFab_> Interesting. Searching for "n810 nano" turned up this:
Jan 25 23:57:06 <MagicFab_> http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php?lang=en&system=maemo4&sort=hits&show_pck=213
Jan 25 23:57:06 <GeneralAntilles> LastLemming, if you can get an N800 on-the-cheap
Jan 25 23:57:08 <GeneralAntilles> I would do so.
Jan 25 23:57:18 <spirytusick> GeneralAntilles: Why do you think they decided not to use opengl and video acc with n8x0 ?
Jan 25 23:57:27 <GeneralAntilles> It wasn't a decision.
Jan 25 23:57:34 <GeneralAntilles> It was a necessity.
Jan 25 23:57:44 <GeneralAntilles> At least as far as I can guess.
Jan 25 23:57:49 <GeneralAntilles> Hardware is limiting it.
Jan 25 23:57:51 <spirytusick> GeneralAntilles: power wise ?
Jan 25 23:57:53 <GeneralAntilles> No
Jan 25 23:57:58 <GeneralAntilles> 3rd-party LCD controller.
Jan 25 23:58:41 <spirytusick> well, pitty but we'll have to live with it
Jan 25 23:59:20 <spirytusick> GeneralAntilles: so basically, the lcd controller is not compatibile with the gen acc ?
Jan 25 23:59:40 <spirytusick> GeneralAntilles: strange though that the os2007 had at least partial acceleration for the video
Jan 25 23:59:47 <GeneralAntilles> No.
Jan 25 23:59:52 <GeneralAntilles> No it didn't.
Jan 25 23:59:56 <spirytusick> GeneralAntilles: os2008 has much smaller selection of dsp tasks
Jan 26 00:00:39 <GeneralAntilles> It's mostly a bandwidth issue to the LCD controller.
Jan 26 00:01:50 <spirytusick> slow fb
Jan 26 00:01:58 <tekonivel> I fail to understand why os2008 is not downward compatible
Jan 26 00:02:02 * zookie panics
Jan 26 00:02:13 <GeneralAntilles> It's really simple, tekonivel, GTK break. ;)
Jan 26 00:02:51 <zookie> tekonivel, because nokia  doesn't care? just  a guess :/
Jan 26 00:02:55 <spirytusick> GeneralAntilles: one think I do not understand, is why the n800 is capable of playing a video in full screen (resized but nevertheless) at 25 or 30fps and this is not a bandwidth limitation ?
Jan 26 00:03:07 <GeneralAntilles> Because the pixel doubling is done by the controller.
Jan 26 00:03:16 <GeneralAntilles> zookie, what are you on about?
Jan 26 00:03:23 <GeneralAntilles> GTK 2.6 isn't compatible with GTK 2.10
Jan 26 00:03:34 <GeneralAntilles> OS2007 is 2.6, OS2008 is 2.10
Jan 26 00:03:49 <spirytusick> GeneralAntilles: I know that, but why not do the same to accelerated video and relieve the cpu to do other things ?
Jan 26 00:04:17 <spirytusick> GeneralAntilles: the same could have been done with opengl...
Jan 26 00:04:31 <tekonivel> GeneralAntilles: aha i seel it's not maemo related... Other distros break too?
Jan 26 00:04:39 <GeneralAntilles> For the PowerVR, I'm betting Nokia figured it was better not to pay for the drivers than get sub-par performance.
Jan 26 00:04:40 <spirytusick> GeneralAntilles: for a hacking device they should have provided at least abiity to try things
Jan 26 00:04:55 <GeneralAntilles> Video acceleration might be a pipeline issue with the hardware
Jan 26 00:04:56 <spirytusick> GeneralAntilles: they already did pay for the drivers, most likely anyway
Jan 26 00:04:59 <tekonivel> GeneralAntilles: i find this hsrd to swallow
Jan 26 00:05:03 <GeneralAntilles> but I'm not familiar enough with it to speak directly.
Jan 26 00:05:17 <GeneralAntilles> spirytusick, drivers cost money.
Jan 26 00:05:21 <GeneralAntilles> Nokia is not a charity.
Jan 26 00:05:23 <spirytusick> GeneralAntilles: all on newer n series phones have drivers
Jan 26 00:05:34 <spirytusick> GeneralAntilles: besides, they are partly funding openvr
Jan 26 00:05:38 <tekonivel> GeneralAntilles: gnu is :)
Jan 26 00:05:39 <GeneralAntilles> Symbian ≠ Linux
Jan 26 00:06:10 <spirytusick> GeneralAntilles: That is true, but I do not thinks that the money is the problem
Jan 26 00:06:15 <Tama^2> I think anyone can download the powervr SDK
Jan 26 00:06:25 <GeneralAntilles> Tama^2, doesn't help.
Jan 26 00:06:25 <zookie> GeneralAntilles, software delivered to  the enduser usuallly is ok for 70% of users
Jan 26 00:06:28 <spirytusick> Tama^2: yep, but it is useless without the drivers
Jan 26 00:06:31 <GeneralAntilles> You need the binary blob part to make it work.
Jan 26 00:06:58 <Tama^2> I see
Jan 26 00:08:07 <tekonivel> Evil, proprietary hardware...
Jan 26 00:08:10 <spirytusick> GeneralAntilles: I wouldn't be suprised it the arm cores n8x0 are using have disabled the povervr section
Jan 26 00:10:04 <spirytusick> anyways guys, have a good night...
Jan 26 00:10:11 <spirytusick> time to catch up with sleep...
Jan 26 00:24:02 <maddler> hi all
Jan 26 00:24:17 <johnx> hi
Jan 26 00:24:46 <GeneralAntilles> Have you solved all the tablet-word's troubles with Debian yet, johnx. :P
Jan 26 00:25:05 <johnx> well, bluetooth works :P
Jan 26 00:25:26 <johnx> working on buttons
Jan 26 00:26:14 <johnx> and epiphany-webkit looks like a really impressive project
Jan 26 00:27:06 <tekonivel> X11 clients can receive virtualkbd events?
Jan 26 00:28:09 <johnx> tekonivel, is that a question for me? you mean when they're running in xomap on debian/n800?
Jan 26 00:29:24 <tekonivel> johnx: not to you particularly, but i failed to command my remote emacs over x11 in history
Jan 26 00:30:53 <johnx> I don't know enough about X11 to know what that means exactly
Jan 26 00:31:11 <tekonivel> johnx: ok mate
Jan 26 00:31:14 <johnx> and I'm having problems even with the onscreen keyboard in debian
Jan 26 00:31:52 <tekonivel> johnx: hehe, your asking for trouble
Jan 26 00:32:14 <johnx> how so?
Jan 26 00:33:17 <tekonivel> johnx: os2008->debian change isn't really supported ;)
Jan 26 00:33:28 <johnx> oh, I know
Jan 26 00:33:37 <johnx> but I've got lots of stuff working already :)
Jan 26 00:33:47 <tekonivel> johnx: nice
Jan 26 00:33:49 <johnx> the rest shouldn't be impossible, just hard :P
Jan 26 00:34:25 <tekonivel> johnx: challenges keeps you sharp
Jan 26 00:34:27 <johnx> works so far: wifi w/ wpa, bluetooth, touchscreen, x11, and can access on-board nand and sd card
Jan 26 00:34:38 <johnx> and usb networking
Jan 26 00:35:01 <johnx> buttons are next on the todo list
Jan 26 00:35:27 <tekonivel> johnx: tell me about your gui setup pls
Jan 26 00:35:48 <johnx> tekonivel, it's just matchbox
Jan 26 00:35:48 <tekonivel> johnx: which wm f.ex.
Jan 26 00:36:07 <tekonivel> johnx: i see, i see
Jan 26 00:36:21 <johnx> I'm not really *using* the N800 right now
Jan 26 00:36:31 <johnx> I'm mostly SSHed in hacking on stuff
Jan 26 00:36:48 <johnx> eventually I'd like to have as much of the maemo interface back as is feasible
Jan 26 00:36:53 <tekonivel> johnx: right
Jan 26 00:37:28 <tekonivel> johnx: whats your motive, just haxooring?
Jan 26 00:37:53 <johnx> a fully working alternative distribution with thousands of packages available :)
Jan 26 00:38:28 <tekonivel> johnx: <3 i love you
Jan 26 00:38:42 <johnx> I can't do it all on my own of course :)
Jan 26 00:38:56 <johnx> right now I want to get enough working that I can convince people to install it and help me
Jan 26 00:38:57 <Tama^2> *rose petals shower down on the channel*
Jan 26 00:39:10 <pupnik> buttons are just function keys
Jan 26 00:39:16 <Tama^2> looooove is in the air xD
Jan 26 00:39:26 <johnx> hahahaha
Jan 26 00:39:39 <tekonivel> Tama^2: lol
Jan 26 00:40:19 <johnx> pupnik, for whatever reason they don't get mapped to anything in xomap on debian
Jan 26 00:40:23 <johnx> xev gives me nothing
Jan 26 00:40:36 <pupnik> oh hrm
Jan 26 00:40:38 <johnx> buy showkey tells me they generate codes
Jan 26 00:40:49 <johnx> I think it might be a hal thing
Jan 26 00:41:29 <pupnik> i have to debug some keybd problems here too
Jan 26 00:41:47 <pupnik> unless someone else wants to fix dosbox keys
Jan 26 00:42:20 <ds3> is the dosbox in the repository suppose to work?
Jan 26 00:43:06 <whooha> what's a good media player for the n800
Jan 26 00:43:15 <whooha> i tried media center, canola, and kagu
Jan 26 00:43:37 <tekonivel> whooha: pls define "media"
Jan 26 00:43:50 <whooha> music/movies/images
Jan 26 00:44:12 <johnx> whooha, tried ukmp?
Jan 26 00:44:15 <whooha> something that reads smb shares too would be fantastic
Jan 26 00:44:16 <whooha> like xbmc
Jan 26 00:44:21 <whooha> haven't tried ukmp
Jan 26 00:44:37 <tekonivel> whooha: i use quiver+mplayer and native music player
Jan 26 00:44:57 <whooha> i like having all the album covers and stuff, i think it looks nice
Jan 26 00:45:32 <whooha> k, installing ukmp
Jan 26 00:45:58 <tekonivel> whooha: i seldom listen to music on n800
Jan 26 00:46:56 <whooha> oh, i plan on using this for music/movies too
Jan 26 00:47:02 <tekonivel> I use my n95
Jan 26 00:47:29 <whooha> also, i upgraded to the latest os2008 from nokia's site last night and now i can't get fm radio out of the speakers on headphoens
Jan 26 00:47:39 <whooha> says can't switch audio out or something
Jan 26 00:47:41 <tekonivel> whooha: but i do watch videos, and mplayer i good for now
Jan 26 00:47:54 <whooha> yeah i use mplayer in linux
Jan 26 00:47:56 <whooha> mplayer is good
Jan 26 00:48:04 <whooha> plays *
Jan 26 00:48:19 <tekonivel> whooha: t, t
Jan 26 00:48:27 <whooha> t, t?
Jan 26 00:48:44 <tekonivel> whooha: waiting for vlc
Jan 26 00:48:50 <tekonivel> T=true
Jan 26 00:48:54 <whooha> ahh
Jan 26 00:49:00 <whooha> yeah vlc on the n800 would be nice
Jan 26 00:49:12 <GeneralAntilles> Why does everybody seem to think VLC is gonna be better than mplayer?
Jan 26 00:49:28 <GeneralAntilles> mplayer has 2 years of heavy optimization behind it.
Jan 26 00:50:14 <dorkybot> whooha: saw something about issues with wxGTK which vlc uses for the gui
Jan 26 00:50:14 <johnx> either way, they can try it for themselves: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14126&highlight=vlc
Jan 26 00:50:25 <jacques-work> heh, every time I buy into the hype about VLC I find out it doesn't work for me
Jan 26 00:50:36 <tekonivel> whooha: there have been betas
Jan 26 00:50:41 <dorkybot> vlc is great on many distros
Jan 26 00:51:18 <pupnik> how nice that the mplayer vs vlc camps aren't violent
Jan 26 00:51:21 <tekonivel> GeneralAntilles: just that i use vlc on desktop too
Jan 26 00:51:21 <whooha> also anyone know of a smb/cifs mounter
Jan 26 00:51:24 <whooha> automounter
Jan 26 00:51:42 <GeneralAntilles> mplayer and VLC on the desktop are virtually identical performance wise.
Jan 26 00:51:49 <GeneralAntilles> VLC on the tablets is a hack
Jan 26 00:51:52 <GeneralAntilles> with no optimization
Jan 26 00:52:00 <tekonivel> GeneralAntilles: but much respect to mplayer of course
Jan 26 00:52:02 <GeneralAntilles> mplayer has tons and tons of tablet-specific optimization.
Jan 26 00:52:27 <jacques-work> including arm-specific optimizations
Jan 26 00:52:36 <pupnik> it's the most advanced user-space app on the tablet in that regard
Jan 26 00:52:38 <|tbb|> anyone knows, what is the latest fw of n810 called?
Jan 26 00:53:33 <GeneralAntilles> RX-44_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin
Jan 26 00:53:50 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, actually a lot of those optimizations *are* factored out into ffmpeg
Jan 26 00:54:27 <tekonivel> On a handheld tjhe U must be troublefree... MediaBox, canola or somesuch
Jan 26 00:54:30 <|tbb|> thx
Jan 26 00:54:32 <johnx> VLC could use them too, if they used maemo-mplayer's version of ffmpeg
Jan 26 00:55:12 <tekonivel> s/U/UI/
Jan 26 00:55:12 <infobot> tekonivel meant: On a handheld tjhe UI must be troublefree... MediaBox, canola or somesuch
Jan 26 01:16:05 <whooha> i like mediabox the best so far
Jan 26 01:22:56 <|tbb|> how can i access  the values under this path  /apps/osso/inputmethod/hildon-im-languages/da_DK:   with gconftool-2 ?
Jan 26 01:23:29 <|tbb|> the ":" is a problem
Jan 26 01:23:36 <|tbb|> but \: wont help
Jan 26 01:23:49 <Gary> simple question - is xchat ported to the N810?
Jan 26 01:24:13 <Gary> oh and is it easy to use on such a device?
Jan 26 01:26:22 <|tbb|> oh my fault the : doesnt stays in the path
Jan 26 01:29:17 <johnx> Gary, it looks like there's at least a beta of xchat...it's theoretically on the xchat.org forums but I can't connect to them right now (?)
Jan 26 01:29:35 <johnx> hmm
Jan 26 01:29:41 <johnx> or maybe not
Jan 26 01:29:42 * GeneralAntilles does his song and dance again.
Jan 26 01:29:42 <GeneralAntilles> http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/
Jan 26 01:30:02 <Gary> ooow, cool
Jan 26 01:30:09 <Gary> anyone tried it?
Jan 26 01:30:24 <GeneralAntilles> Yes? :P
Jan 26 01:30:27 <GeneralAntilles> It works great.
Jan 26 01:31:29 <Gary> excellent, as easy to connect as on linux?  (ie connecting with many on join options)
Jan 26 01:32:17 <GeneralAntilles> Yes.
Jan 26 01:32:35 <Gary> great, looks like i'll be buying a n810 soon then
Jan 26 01:34:12 <pupnik> xchat is really nice on the n810
Jan 26 01:34:23 <Gary> GeneralAntilles, erm, can I get python scripts working too?  (google chanserv.py for the script I mean)
Jan 26 01:34:35 <GeneralAntilles> I'm assuming so.
Jan 26 01:35:37 <Gary> thank you for your help
Jan 26 01:40:49 <acydlord> i hate nokia right now
Jan 26 01:41:16 <acydlord> when i left for work thismorning there were still n810s in stock, so i deposited my paycheck today, get home, and they are out of stock
Jan 26 01:42:24 <johnx> there are a lot of things that I am mad at Nokia for, but "their products sell too quickly" is a new one to me
Jan 26 01:42:44 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe
Jan 26 01:42:58 <johnx> s/a lot/a couple/g
Jan 26 01:43:05 <infobot> johnx meant: there are a couple of things that I am mad at Nokia for, but "their products sell too quickly" is a new one to me
Jan 26 01:43:39 <johnx> wow, infobot, you are not too quick on the draw this morning :/
Jan 26 01:43:42 <acydlord> i think they only put like 3 in the store at a time
Jan 26 01:44:52 <Gary> i'll have to order it online
Jan 26 01:45:07 <acydlord> thats how i was trying to order mine
Jan 26 01:45:12 <GeneralAntilles> acydlord, if you really need one, there's always ebay.
Jan 26 01:45:25 <acydlord> ebay doesnt support my discount
Jan 26 01:45:52 <GeneralAntilles> backorder it, then?
Jan 26 01:46:09 <acydlord> they don't support backordering
Jan 26 01:46:36 <LastLemming> what it's a still good price for n800 on ebay?
Jan 26 01:47:12 <LastLemming> 150-170€?
Jan 26 01:48:18 <dorkybot> $439
Jan 26 01:48:33 <LastLemming> ?
Jan 26 01:48:34 <dorkybot> oh sorry that's n810
Jan 26 01:49:10 <dorkybot> saw n800 about 2 something
Jan 26 01:49:53 <acydlord> yeah, one of my friends just got an n800 new for 200
Jan 26 01:50:33 <dorkybot> not bad, "but it now" is 230-270
Jan 26 01:50:41 <dorkybot> buy it now"
Jan 26 01:51:29 <dorkybot> wish the n800 had the 810 keyboard but kept the 2 sd slots
Jan 26 01:51:49 <johnx> dorkybot, almost everyone does :)
Jan 26 01:52:18 <dorkybot> wasted most of today hunting for mini and micro sd's
Jan 26 01:53:15 <Solarion> n810 does both, right?
Jan 26 01:53:25 <dorkybot> micro in a mini converter
Jan 26 01:53:32 <dorkybot> or a mini
Jan 26 01:53:42 <GeneralAntilles> johnx, not me. :P
Jan 26 01:53:51 <Solarion> so the micro has to have a mini converter, or the n810 has a converter?
Jan 26 01:54:11 <dorkybot> you need to get the converter to use a micro
Jan 26 01:54:13 <johnx> so you like having less storage in a harder to find format?
Jan 26 01:54:21 <dorkybot> mini's seem to be phasing out
Jan 26 01:54:36 <dorkybot> in favor of micro
Jan 26 01:54:42 <Solarion> newegg has mini with SD converter.
Jan 26 01:54:47 <Solarion> fully tasty
Jan 26 01:54:55 <Solarion> at least, in theory; I've no n810 yet
Jan 26 01:55:10 <GeneralAntilles> er, the keyboard with the crappy d-pad positioning.
Jan 26 01:55:49 <johnx> ah
Jan 26 01:55:57 <dorkybot> i resolved to wait until the $19 4gb mini comes back in stock at newegg, then get a 12gb sandisk when they come out in a few months
Jan 26 01:56:27 <johnx> meanwhile I could use a whole pile of 4 or 8GB SDHC cards
Jan 26 01:57:35 <johnx> a kernel update for the Zaurus added SDHC support so now I can finally standardize on one format :)
Jan 26 01:58:03 <EnigmaCurry> Anyone know of a cron daemon for maemo platform? I found a reference to http://www.anomaly-music.com/cron/ but it's dead..
Jan 26 01:58:04 <dorkybot> geez, how many gadgets you got?
Jan 26 01:58:24 <johnx> dorkybot, I collect Linux handhelds :)
Jan 26 01:58:33 <dorkybot> a worthy pursuit
Jan 26 01:58:38 <johnx> dorkybot, zaurus 5500, zaurus c1000, n800
Jan 26 01:58:51 <johnx> actually the zaurus 5500 will only support normal SD I think
Jan 26 01:58:55 <dorkybot> try hacking linux onto an ipaq for fun :)
Jan 26 01:59:05 <pupnik> i had debian on the Psion netbook
Jan 26 01:59:12 <johnx> dorkybot, nah. I like having a keyboard
Jan 26 01:59:18 <johnx> pupnik, that must have been awesome
Jan 26 01:59:23 <dorkybot> 4300 had kb
Jan 26 01:59:26 <johnx> EnigmaCurry, I compiled it in mud-builder
Jan 26 01:59:30 <johnx> let me find a link
Jan 26 02:00:02 <pupnik> johnx: well it was sufficient.  ssh, vnc
Jan 26 02:00:16 <johnx> pupnik, which netbook was it
Jan 26 02:00:35 <johnx> I look at those every so often and really want one :)
Jan 26 02:00:41 <pupnik> regular netbook, 32MB
Jan 26 02:01:05 <johnx> yeah, 32MB is kind of limiting
Jan 26 02:01:12 <pupnik> yes, and the screen sucks
Jan 26 02:01:32 <EnigmaCurry> johnx: I'd appreciate it :)
Jan 26 02:02:49 <dorkybot> how about jkk's mods for evdo and bluetooth in the eeePC and tether it to an IT
Jan 26 02:03:14 <GeneralAntilles> Why not just use a data-capable phone?
Jan 26 02:03:23 <dorkybot> walk around with eee as a high power server and the it as a thin client with ssh and vnc
Jan 26 02:03:39 <johnx> dorkybot, don't encourage me ... :|
Jan 26 02:03:50 <dorkybot> the eee would have more storage and lots of linuxy apps to play with
Jan 26 02:04:11 <dorkybot> i'm gonna do that with my evdo vaio
Jan 26 02:04:12 <johnx> but really I always wanted to build a portable data tank out of a gumstix board attached to a 9cell laptop battery
Jan 26 02:05:05 <johnx> EnigmaCurry, ... I guess I never posted a pre-compiled .deb of it. Do you have scratchbox?
Jan 26 02:05:57 <EnigmaCurry> No, but it's the beginning of the weekend. Looks like I've got a project :)
Jan 26 02:07:27 <dorkybot> this nokia thing is gonna pull me away from gentoo back to debian
Jan 26 02:22:36 <ds3> johnx: what rom is the SDHC mod for on the Z?
Jan 26 02:23:19 <johnx> reports of success seem to be coming from people using a late release of the angstrom kernel (either with angstrom or debian)
Jan 26 02:23:37 <ds3> that's all 2.6 stuff, IIRC
Jan 26 02:23:46 <ds3> i prefer Cacko for the time being
Jan 26 02:24:35 <johnx> fair enough...I just got epiphany-webkit installed on debian/zaurus and it would be hard for me to give it up now :)
Jan 26 02:24:53 <ds3> heh
Jan 26 02:25:15 <ds3> does the Hancom stuff still work in Angstrom?
Jan 26 02:25:32 <ds3> they are quite usable as a WP and SS
Jan 26 02:25:35 <johnx> angstrom is all X11/GPE now
Jan 26 02:25:49 <ds3> didn't know they dropped OPIE
Jan 26 02:25:51 <johnx> abiword works nicely, and I think gnumeric does too
Jan 26 02:26:10 <johnx> ds3, opie development slowed down for a while (read: stopped)
Jan 26 02:26:15 <ds3> Gnumeric was irritating when I tried it on the N800
Jan 26 02:26:33 <johnx> I never tried it on any handheld
Jan 26 02:26:41 <ds3> johnx: I only followed it when i was actually tried to use the collie so it has been a while
Jan 26 02:26:43 <johnx> but some new people picked up opie development
Jan 26 02:27:05 <ds3> I found I actually liked the Hancom stuff when i used it on a trip
Jan 26 02:27:40 <johnx> so it's a choice for newer angstrom images ... but I don't think they still support backwards compatibility with old sharprom stuff
Jan 26 02:27:58 <ds3> sigh
Jan 26 02:28:45 <johnx> abiword is really good on the zaurus actually. runs fast enough and it's easy to get the text zoomed enough to see
Jan 26 02:28:59 <ds3> wonder if there is anyone trying to put in an emulation layer on Maemo so we can run Z ipk binaries
Jan 26 02:29:08 <ds3> johnx: does it do file format conversions?
Jan 26 02:29:17 <johnx> yeah, I think
Jan 26 02:29:24 <johnx> throw me a .doc you want me to try :)
Jan 26 02:29:55 <ds3> don't think I have one handy.... it is mostly for the times when irritating suits insist on sending you a .doc file
Jan 26 02:30:40 <johnx> for me that usually results in a quick handoff to google docs to make it come back as something workable
Jan 26 02:30:49 <pupnik> i hate .docs
Jan 26 02:30:58 <johnx> actually I think I have one to test
Jan 26 02:31:40 <dorkybot> this control freak company would have a fit if i sent their stuff to ggogle
Jan 26 02:31:58 <johnx> understandable for internal stuff I guess
Jan 26 02:32:11 <ds3> i like to keep private documents private, no google
Jan 26 02:32:13 <johnx> but if I receive a .doc these days it already ended up in my gmail account anyways
Jan 26 02:32:13 <dorkybot> banks get touchy
Jan 26 02:34:15 <ds3> how much memory is consumed using X then with Qt/Opie?
Jan 26 02:35:12 <johnx> not booted into angstrom right now. I'm in debian.
Jan 26 02:35:28 <johnx> that wouldn't be a really fair comparison :)
Jan 26 02:35:54 <ds3> moving to X11 on the Z really feels like one of those 'if it ain't broq, don't mess with it' thing
Jan 26 02:36:24 <johnx> it depends on your point of view
Jan 26 02:37:17 <johnx> if you're not interested in new software and are happy with stuff that's already out then Qt/E is fine
Jan 26 02:37:39 <johnx> but development of new software for Qt/E is pretty much non-existent
Jan 26 02:38:05 <johnx> with an X server you get lots of things for "free"
Jan 26 02:38:33 <ds3> I can't think of good things I would get for free other then more memory sinks
Jan 26 02:38:48 <johnx> by the way, I'm using the same X server as angstrom in debian (Xfbdev)
Jan 26 02:38:55 <johnx> it wants 7.3% of 64MB
Jan 26 02:39:03 <ds3> which Z is this?
Jan 26 02:39:07 <johnx> c1000
Jan 26 02:39:22 <johnx> 4.48MB is a worthwhile price to pay for access to tons of apps
Jan 26 02:39:22 <ds3> that's with microdrive on a PXA270, right?
Jan 26 02:39:36 <johnx> no microdrive, yes pxa270
Jan 26 02:39:45 <dorkybot> isn't the goal to gain access to 30,000 apps?
Jan 26 02:40:04 <dorkybot> we'll have endless fun porting them
Jan 26 02:40:10 <ds3> I think having 2 VTs or Qt/VNC type gateway to X is sufficient, IMO
Jan 26 02:40:19 <johnx> ds3, your choice
Jan 26 02:40:37 <johnx> dorkybot, debian already has ported them to armel
Jan 26 02:40:39 <ds3> *nod* there are just so many tempting things in 2.6 :?
Jan 26 02:40:42 <ds3> :/
Jan 26 02:41:01 <johnx> dorkybot, also I have grand schemes involving hildon :)
Jan 26 02:41:03 <ds3> better SDIO support, real support for the SiS2VGA thing, etc
Jan 26 02:41:07 <dorkybot> still need touchscreen gui goodness
Jan 26 02:41:51 <johnx> ds3, which zaurus do/did you have?
Jan 26 02:44:51 <johnx> EnigmaCurry, did you get my message?
Jan 26 02:45:18 <ds3> johnx: C3200
Jan 26 02:45:30 <johnx> nice
Jan 26 02:45:33 <ds3> johnx: used to have a collie a while ago
Jan 26 02:45:57 <johnx> I really wish I had an internal cf slot in my c1000
Jan 26 02:46:03 <ds3> the C3200 is inline to be a traveling laptop type app
Jan 26 02:46:20 <ds3> is it not there or just not exposed?
Jan 26 02:46:34 <johnx> ds3, no socket, no controller :(
Jan 26 02:46:49 <ds3> controller? the PXA270 supports 2 slots
Jan 26 02:47:06 <johnx> some critical chip is missing from what I understand
Jan 26 02:47:12 <ds3> oh
Jan 26 02:47:18 <johnx> I really liked the collie form factor
Jan 26 02:47:29 <ds3> i miss having a real serial port like on the collie
Jan 26 02:47:40 <ds3> no current device has one AFAIK
Jan 26 02:49:00 <johnx> sounds right.
Jan 26 02:49:20 <johnx> usb-to-serial should work fine on a cxx00
Jan 26 02:50:23 <ds3> it isn't the same
Jan 26 02:50:34 <ds3> usb to serial has little quirks
Jan 26 02:50:43 <johnx> yeah
Jan 26 02:51:09 <johnx> you want it for getting a console on routers, switches, etc I assume?
Jan 26 02:52:58 <ds3> yep
Jan 26 02:55:26 <johnx> I should look into uboot again on the zaurus I guess
Jan 26 02:55:35 <ds3> heh
Jan 26 02:55:59 <ds3> as long as it is an english uboot
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