**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Feb 01 02:59:57 2008
Feb 01 03:01:12 <GeneralAntilles> GA's Pedantry of the Day: "Uploading" has to do with network transfers. Moving a file over USB or to another disk or somesuch is just "copying" or "transferring". ;)
Feb 01 03:01:47 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, so did you check out Debian?
Feb 01 03:01:54 <GeneralAntilles> Ehehe
Feb 01 03:02:09 <johnx> not quite up to your usability standards? :P
Feb 01 03:02:09 <GeneralAntilles> Extracted it onto the second ext2 partition
Feb 01 03:02:16 <GeneralAntilles> It failed on /var or somesuch
Feb 01 03:02:18 <GeneralAntilles> wouldn't boot
Feb 01 03:02:24 <GeneralAntilles> then the OS2008 partition wouldn't boot
Feb 01 03:02:26 <GeneralAntilles> I gave up.
Feb 01 03:02:31 <johnx> ugh
Feb 01 03:02:35 <johnx> that's lame
Feb 01 03:02:46 <johnx> I guess I should test writing it back to my card to see
Feb 01 03:03:06 <GeneralAntilles> Reformatted and repartitioned and now I can't mount /dev/mmcblk0p[23] to copy over the OS2008 from internal flash
Feb 01 03:03:07 <GeneralAntilles> so, meh.
Feb 01 03:03:20 <johnx> ah, sounds like your card might have issues
Feb 01 03:03:26 <GeneralAntilles> Probably something on my end since the OS2008 partition was also fubared.
Feb 01 03:03:56 <GeneralAntilles> Reformatted to FAT32.
Feb 01 03:04:01 <GeneralAntilles> It's fine now.
Feb 01 03:04:06 <johnx> you can fsck -c to check for badblocks on ext2
Feb 01 03:04:15 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, there were a lot.
Feb 01 03:04:19 <johnx> aaaah
Feb 01 03:04:24 <johnx> ok, that's a card issue
Feb 01 03:04:32 <GeneralAntilles> It wouldn't let me run -a
Feb 01 03:04:39 <johnx> heh
Feb 01 03:04:45 <johnx> I think you can force it :)
Feb 01 03:05:04 <GeneralAntilles> Wish Nokia would release a firmware update so I could justify investing the time to wipe and start over.
Feb 01 03:05:16 <johnx> heh
Feb 01 03:05:32 <johnx> I did a wipe, then made a pristine backup of the internal flash
Feb 01 03:05:52 <johnx> I'll probably make a baseline "ready to run" setup
Feb 01 03:06:03 <johnx> maybe I'll even go nuts and put it in version control or something
Feb 01 03:07:06 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
Feb 01 03:08:02 <johnx> it's so handy to have a "known good" setup I can just rsync onto my card
Feb 01 03:08:14 <johnx> I really should try and get /home to be on a separate partition...
Feb 01 03:23:46 <nelson> Does anybody know if Betty can work with up to 6 volts on the charger input?
Feb 01 03:24:18 <GeneralAntilles> Betty?
Feb 01 03:24:30 <johnx> Betty = N800 of course
Feb 01 03:24:33 <nelson> A chip in the N800.
Feb 01 03:24:48 <GeneralAntilles> He could be trying to plug the Nokia charger into his wife.
Feb 01 03:25:01 <johnx> I figured it was a nickname for his N800 actually
Feb 01 03:25:16 <johnx> hmm...I thought I remembered someone testing
Feb 01 03:25:18 <nelson> No, it's the name of a "kitchen sink" chip.
Feb 01 03:25:18 <GeneralAntilles> You know what happens when you assume, johnx?
Feb 01 03:25:30 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, I get a cookie?
Feb 01 03:25:35 <GeneralAntilles> Of course!
Feb 01 03:25:39 <johnx> woo
Feb 01 03:25:46 * GeneralAntilles gives johnx one of his double-chocolate chocolate-chip cookies.
Feb 01 03:27:27 <johnx> lots of posts with "voltage" in them on itt :/
Feb 01 03:30:01 <oil> gee. either my holux gps or maemomapper can not cope with speed. I tried holux gps & N800 with maemomapper on a flight and with the speed over 1000km/h or 1024km/h it started to show speeds 1-5km/h (eg. actual speed is 1005 and mapper show 5km/h)
Feb 01 03:30:15 <GeneralAntilles> GPS, oil.
Feb 01 03:30:34 <GeneralAntilles> My i-blue worked fine at around 575MPH.
Feb 01 03:31:08 <oil> GeneralAntilles: ok. thanks. need to test some other time as well with different application.
Feb 01 03:33:28 <johnx> nelson, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10535
Feb 01 03:33:39 <johnx> I don't know if that's what you need to know but it might be a place to start...
Feb 01 03:37:27 <nelson> johnx: tnx.
Feb 01 03:37:38 <nelson> oil: yes, that's by design.
Feb 01 03:37:51 <nelson> oil: keeps you from putting a consumer GPS receiver into a missile.
Feb 01 03:38:22 <GeneralAntilles> Haha
Feb 01 03:38:34 <johnx> sure...but you'll have to tell me what you have planned :)
Feb 01 03:38:36 <oil> nelson: hoho :)
Feb 01 03:40:23 <oil> 'only cruise misssiles supported' should be printed on the selling package :)
Feb 01 03:40:58 <Tama^2> except by keeping a queue of last reads you can establish how fast you go anyway
Feb 01 03:41:06 <Tama^2> so much for the antiterror br
Feb 01 03:41:09 <Tama^2> *bs
Feb 01 03:41:39 <johnx> and they just *wrap* the speed around? not have it print NaN?
Feb 01 03:42:11 <Tama^2> Manager: Hey we need to comply with the new regulation
Feb 01 03:42:28 <Tama^2> Programmer: no problem! *tap* *tap*
Feb 01 03:42:41 <Tama^2> Screen: val = val & 0x0fff;
Feb 01 03:42:48 <Tama^2> Programmer: There you go!
Feb 01 03:42:49 <johnx> heh
Feb 01 03:43:00 <GeneralAntilles> johnx, I think it's actually a technical limitation
Feb 01 03:43:00 <GeneralAntilles> rather than an in-built limitation
Feb 01 03:43:01 <GeneralAntilles> but I could be wrong.
Feb 01 03:43:31 <Tama^2> GeneralAntilles: it's more likely it's technical a limitation
Feb 01 03:43:40 <Tama^2> s/a //
Feb 01 03:43:40 <infobot> Tama^2 meant: GeneralAntilles: it's more likely it's technical limitation
Feb 01 03:43:50 <GeneralAntilles> Right, like I said.
Feb 01 03:43:50 <Tama^2> love you infobot
Feb 01 03:44:07 <Tama^2> I was confirming you point
Feb 01 03:44:24 <GeneralAntilles> Thanks. :D
Feb 01 03:44:26 <Tama^2> but it came out like that
Feb 01 03:44:30 <Tama^2> :P
Feb 01 03:49:10 <elb> is there a way I can get the current wireless network's ssid from the shell is OS2008?
Feb 01 03:49:12 <nelson> johnx: simple enough:   hot-melt-glue a steel plate to the back of my n810.  similarly glue two hard drive magnets to a four D-cell battery case.  Wire the batteries to an appropriate 2mm power plug.
Feb 01 03:49:13 <elb> I don't have iwconfig
Feb 01 03:49:27 <nelson> elb: iwconfig .... hrm.
Feb 01 03:50:55 <johnx> elb, wireless-tools
Feb 01 03:51:08 <johnx> nelson, that sounds a little bulky, but pretty neat
Feb 01 03:51:21 <elb> not installable in my current setup, must be on a different repository
Feb 01 03:51:37 <nelson> johnx: bulk ... I don't care about.   Being able to use my n810 ALL DAY LONG?  Priceless.
Feb 01 03:51:49 <johnx> elb, gronmayer has the answers :)
Feb 01 03:52:12 <elb> hmmm I thought his repository was in my applications
Feb 01 03:52:16 <johnx> how much capacity is that compared to the internal battery?
Feb 01 03:52:25 <johnx> gronmayer is a list of repositories
Feb 01 03:52:31 <GeneralAntilles> elb, gronmayer is an index. :P
Feb 01 03:52:31 <johnx> http://gronmayer.com/it
Feb 01 03:52:48 <johnx> a "repository" of repositories if you will
Feb 01 03:53:40 <elb> oh, I thought that was a dude's name
Feb 01 03:53:40 <oil> I'm using  E61i as an charging station for N810 :)
Feb 01 03:53:48 <elb> I have some g-named dude's repository in my apt ;-)
Feb 01 03:55:17 <nelson> johnx: three times.
Feb 01 03:55:35 <johnx> nelson, quite nice
Feb 01 03:55:42 <johnx> elb, er...it is a guy's name...but on his website he has a list of repositories...
Feb 01 03:55:46 <nelson> johnx: so ... four times the regular battery's lifetime.
Feb 01 04:04:46 <rm_you> johnx: have you tried this grandcentral thing?
Feb 01 04:04:58 <rm_you> you could get a free US phone number for calling in the US from your n800 :P
Feb 01 04:06:52 <johnx> rm_you, I haven't looked at it yet
Feb 01 04:06:59 <johnx> I put up the new debian BTW
Feb 01 04:07:16 <GeneralAntilles> It's epic win if your card doesn't fail.
Feb 01 04:07:17 <johnx> I have to run an errand in a little bit, but I'll be back in a couple hours
Feb 01 04:08:17 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, even if it looks like the card works with FAT16/32/whatever, I'd really run a good fs check on it and if it fails in any way, RMA that thing
Feb 01 04:09:07 <rm_you> johnx: posted where?
Feb 01 04:09:23 <GeneralAntilles> There an option I should use with fsck to do a thorough check?
Feb 01 04:10:22 <johnx> rm_you, http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Debian
Feb 01 04:10:31 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, -c I think
Feb 01 04:10:45 <johnx> or -C if you really want to spend some time and get a reliable answer
Feb 01 04:10:57 <johnx> err
Feb 01 04:10:58 <johnx> not -C
Feb 01 04:11:30 <johnx> hey...that sucks...it's a different flag for fsck.vfat vs fsck.ext2
Feb 01 04:11:31 <johnx> one sec
Feb 01 04:11:38 <rm_you> -cc
Feb 01 04:11:43 <smackpotato> rm_you:  ipkall gives free washinton state numbers as well
Feb 01 04:11:45 <rm_you> does the nondestructive readwrite
Feb 01 04:11:54 <rm_you> smackpotato: i already have one of those :P
Feb 01 04:12:14 <rm_you> as most of the time i live there ^_^
Feb 01 04:12:15 <johnx> rm_you, for dosfsck?
Feb 01 04:12:21 <rm_you> johnx: oh :/
Feb 01 04:12:30 <rm_you> johnx: ext2/3 :/
Feb 01 04:13:01 <rm_you> yeah i was typing before i read your last few lines
Feb 01 04:13:24 <rm_you> i'm working on a python GUI for calling with GrandCentral
Feb 01 04:13:29 <rm_you> using curl and some hax
Feb 01 04:13:37 <smackpotato> cool
Feb 01 04:13:43 <rm_you> wherein you could just type in a phone number and hit call
Feb 01 04:13:53 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, well, try just filling the card with data and see if it fails
Feb 01 04:13:56 <rm_you> as opposed to their retarded address book / browser system
Feb 01 04:15:14 <johnx> anyways...I'm out of here for a while
Feb 01 04:15:17 <rm_you> l8r
Feb 01 04:15:18 * johnx lurks
Feb 01 04:16:45 <smackpotato> i should of ask him what he knows of x being as his nick is johnx
Feb 01 04:18:39 <rm_you> lol
Feb 01 04:22:20 <GeneralAntilles> rm_you, so are things stable enough for you to fix the remaining GUI issues? :P
Feb 01 04:22:33 <rm_you> ah, with adv-backlight?
Feb 01 04:22:37 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah.
Feb 01 04:22:41 <rm_you> possibly
Feb 01 04:22:41 <oil> hmm.. we need documentation for semi-nerds who can not do programming, but can do a bit of shell scripting :)
Feb 01 04:22:55 <GeneralAntilles> Documentation of what?
Feb 01 04:23:15 <rm_you> oil: we need shell scripts for semi-nerds who can not do programming, but can do a bit of documentation :P
Feb 01 04:23:27 <oil> I tried to figure out how to export adressbook information so that I could import it to mysql db .. and then import back to n800
Feb 01 04:25:07 <oil> found this http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/using_maemo_address_book_apis.html#includes and it's way too complicated for me :) I need simple command line examples :)
Feb 01 04:25:16 <rm_you> GeneralAntilles: what were the main remaining problems again?
Feb 01 04:26:54 <rm_you> GeneralAntilles: like, what would you put as the highest priority
Feb 01 04:27:02 <GeneralAntilles> It doesn't go away when it loses focus
Feb 01 04:27:05 <rm_you> ah
Feb 01 04:27:07 <rm_you> actually
Feb 01 04:27:10 <rm_you> i have the fix for that
Feb 01 04:27:18 <rm_you> already mostly done
Feb 01 04:27:23 <GeneralAntilles> it needs to capture taps outside of its window so you can tap in other places to remove focus.
Feb 01 04:27:25 <rm_you> give me a few minutes :P
Feb 01 04:27:29 <rm_you> GeneralAntilles: no, actually
Feb 01 04:27:31 <GeneralAntilles> No
Feb 01 04:27:32 <GeneralAntilles> NOW!
Feb 01 04:27:45 <rm_you> you'd laugh if i told you
Feb 01 04:27:54 <rm_you> it made me scream when i saw
Feb 01 04:28:10 <oil>  /home/user/.osso-abook/db/addressbook.db seems to be partly in v-card format, but then there is lot's of other stuff as well. any ideas how to export/import it with the command line?
Feb 01 04:31:51 <pupnik> http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Buchanan_McCain_win_means_war_with_0128.html
Feb 01 04:32:03 <pupnik> oop wrong chan
Feb 01 04:32:07 <GeneralAntilles> Woo!
Feb 01 04:32:09 <GeneralAntilles> Bring on the end!
Feb 01 04:33:10 <johnx> oil,
Feb 01 04:33:12 <johnx> May:~# file /home/user/.osso-abook/db/addressbook.db
Feb 01 04:33:12 <johnx> /home/user/.osso-abook/db/addressbook.db: Berkeley DB (Hash, version 8, native byte-order)
Feb 01 04:44:02 <rm_you> GeneralAntilles: it's misbehaving >_>
Feb 01 04:46:40 <oil> johnx: thanks. I'll try to get that one extracted
Feb 01 04:47:00 <GeneralAntilles> LIke I keep telling you, do it right then.
Feb 01 04:47:04 <oil> johnx: and thanks for the tip, that there is file as well for maemo :)
Feb 01 04:47:26 <GeneralAntilles> Just think of all the time you'd've saved if Nokia would release the source to their stupid statusbar applets.
Feb 01 04:47:29 <GeneralAntilles> Let the hate grow.
Feb 01 04:47:31 <GeneralAntilles> Nurture it.
Feb 01 04:48:11 <hahlo> they have ruined debian
Feb 01 04:48:22 <GeneralAntilles> Haha
Feb 01 04:48:24 <GeneralAntilles> It's not Debian. :P
Feb 01 04:48:29 <GeneralAntilles> It's maemo.
Feb 01 04:48:30 <zerojay> I don't think that could be possible.
Feb 01 04:48:43 <hahlo> some derivate then
Feb 01 04:48:44 <zerojay> Debian was ruined a long long time ago first.
Feb 01 04:49:02 <hahlo> things like fakedebconf
Feb 01 04:49:39 <hahlo> stripped down gnupg
Feb 01 04:51:06 <rm_you> rofl
Feb 01 04:51:19 <rm_you> i hate that
Feb 01 04:51:34 <rm_you> i was like "it's almost like nothing i change is taking effect!"
Feb 01 04:51:47 <rm_you> >_<
Feb 01 04:52:15 <hahlo> they probably violated unix principals too
Feb 01 04:52:39 <zerojay> Which doesn't matter since it's not Unix.
Feb 01 04:53:16 <hahlo> then it's not linux either
Feb 01 04:53:28 <hahlo> it is rubber boot
Feb 01 04:53:30 <zerojay> That makes zero sense.
Feb 01 04:56:02 <pupnik> then install johnx's debian onto the tablet
Feb 01 04:56:08 <hahlo> no passwds and such
Feb 01 04:56:25 <pupnik>   http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Debian
Feb 01 04:56:28 <hahlo> single user thing
Feb 01 04:56:40 <oil> well. nokia used to make rubber boots, so maybe maemo is just going back to the basics :)
Feb 01 05:05:13 <fysa> adv-backlight is totally hot.
Feb 01 05:05:23 <fysa> thanks btw, rm_you
Feb 01 05:05:47 <pupnik> that allows more backlight levels?
Feb 01 05:05:54 <rm_you> lol, np :P
Feb 01 05:05:58 <hahlo> oil: true
Feb 01 05:06:00 <fysa> much lower backlight level
Feb 01 05:06:17 <fysa> perfect for bed/lights off use
Feb 01 05:10:01 <rm_you> GeneralAntilles: other bugs?
Feb 01 05:10:11 <GeneralAntilles> No border
Feb 01 05:10:13 <GeneralAntilles> That's about it.
Feb 01 05:10:14 <rm_you> bleh
Feb 01 05:10:20 <rm_you> that's STILL annoying the crap out of me
Feb 01 05:10:28 <GeneralAntilles> Focus issues are the ones people bitch about.
Feb 01 05:10:31 <GeneralAntilles> Border is meh
Feb 01 05:10:35 <rm_you> yeah i think it's better
Feb 01 05:10:40 <rm_you> oo sec
Feb 01 05:11:21 <fysa> yeah, I'd like for it to disappear when it loses focus.
Feb 01 05:12:11 <fysa> (which means it should probably steal focus when it opens?)
Feb 01 05:14:12 <fysa> for some reason the backlight never went off last night, and it wasn't plugged in.
Feb 01 05:14:34 <fysa> I couldn't get it to go off so I let it sit there at level 2 or 3, still on and more than half battery in the morning
Feb 01 05:14:39 <fysa> nothing else was running, mind you ;)
Feb 01 05:21:10 <pupnik> So is anybody working on the dspoggsink?  i guess something didn't work out?
Feb 01 05:42:08 <rm_you> damn, i don't remember how i built this deb >_>
Feb 01 05:42:13 <rm_you> i have the stuff set up...
Feb 01 05:42:17 <rm_you> but just the command >_<
Feb 01 05:45:09 <rm_you> GeneralAntilles / fysa: if you want to try it out, the new version is at http://cs.trinity.edu/~acm/debs/advanced-backlight.so
Feb 01 05:45:18 <rm_you> i cant remember how to package this >_> i'll have to ask inz
Feb 01 05:45:26 <GeneralAntilles> Haha
Feb 01 05:45:27 <GeneralAntilles> Fail
Feb 01 05:45:32 <GeneralAntilles> Remind me where I need to put this.
Feb 01 05:45:45 <rm_you> /usr/lib/hildon-desktop/advanced-backlight.so
Feb 01 05:46:00 * GeneralAntilles wants his scp scripts back.
Feb 01 05:46:03 <rm_you> heh
Feb 01 05:46:11 <rm_you> remember to unload the old one before you copy over it :P
Feb 01 05:46:29 <GeneralAntilles> Reinstalled Leopard and forgot to backup my scripts. :(
Feb 01 05:47:00 <rm_you> :(
Feb 01 05:47:13 <rm_you> anyways, 0.6 is a major improvement IMO
Feb 01 05:51:47 <rm_you> tell me what you think of that
Feb 01 05:51:49 <rm_you> at some point
Feb 01 05:51:57 <rm_you> meanwhile, i have a book to read / paper to write
Feb 01 05:52:10 <GeneralAntilles> Alright
Feb 01 05:52:14 <GeneralAntilles> 'night then.
Feb 01 05:52:24 <rm_you> it's better in like 3 ways :P
Feb 01 05:52:29 <rm_you> lol, night?! pfft
Feb 01 05:52:36 <rm_you> still gotta sit here and read a 200 page book :P
Feb 01 05:53:42 <GeneralAntilles> Haha
Feb 01 05:54:00 <GeneralAntilles> I'll give you feedback as soon as my device stops being lame.
Feb 01 05:54:00 <rm_you> lol
Feb 01 05:54:46 <GeneralAntilles> rm_you, did I show you my new boot screens?
Feb 01 05:55:17 <rm_you> no?
Feb 01 05:55:25 <GeneralAntilles> http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/err.zip
Feb 01 05:55:42 <GeneralAntilles> Well, it looks better, and gives up focus when you tap the status-bar/task-bar
Feb 01 05:55:46 <GeneralAntilles> but not when you tap the desktop
Feb 01 05:56:03 <GeneralAntilles> That's just funky.
Feb 01 05:56:08 <rm_you> lol
Feb 01 05:56:15 <rm_you> yeah :/
Feb 01 05:56:17 <GeneralAntilles> Nor on applications
Feb 01 05:56:20 <GeneralAntilles> How'd you manage that?
Feb 01 05:56:23 <rm_you> well
Feb 01 05:56:28 <rm_you> it's using... get this...
Feb 01 05:56:44 <rm_you> http://maemo.org/api_refs/4.0/libhildondesktop/HildonDesktopPopupWindow.html
Feb 01 05:57:10 <GeneralAntilles> Haha
Feb 01 05:57:20 <GeneralAntilles> Same as the tooltip thing for OMWeather?
Feb 01 05:58:51 <rm_you> i guess? >_>
Feb 01 05:58:51 <rm_you> dunno
Feb 01 05:58:58 <rm_you> and i shoved it in a GtkFrame for a border
Feb 01 05:59:32 <GeneralAntilles> What in the world is Nokia using for theirs? <_<
Feb 01 05:59:58 <rm_you> *I DONT NOW*
Feb 01 06:00:04 <rm_you> s/NOW/KNOW/
Feb 01 06:00:04 <infobot> rm_you meant: *I DONT KNOW*
Feb 01 06:00:04 <GeneralAntilles> Haha
Feb 01 06:00:20 <GeneralAntilles> Well, the next step towards the perfect applet is to put a volume slider in there.
Feb 01 06:00:24 <GeneralAntilles> Think you could manage that?
Feb 01 06:00:27 <rm_you> ??
Feb 01 06:00:31 <rm_you> so you can do both at once?
Feb 01 06:00:32 <pupnik> god i want sound blaster emulation running on the DSP so badly
Feb 01 06:00:38 <rm_you> yeah... that would be easy as cake >_>
Feb 01 06:00:42 <GeneralAntilles> Do it.
Feb 01 06:00:44 <pupnik> and i can't do a damn thing about it
Feb 01 06:00:45 <rm_you> why? >_>
Feb 01 06:00:50 <rm_you> so you can cut down on applets?
Feb 01 06:00:51 <GeneralAntilles> Just need to split the icon so it shows both.
Feb 01 06:00:53 <rm_you> i guess i could
Feb 01 06:00:53 <GeneralAntilles> Yessir.
Feb 01 06:00:53 <rm_you> sec
Feb 01 06:01:30 <pupnik> it would massively speed up all emulators and game engines that use the sound blaster - dosbox, freesci come to mind
Feb 01 06:01:33 <pupnik> also scummvm
Feb 01 06:01:54 <pupnik> maybe i can get some profiling done this weekend
Feb 01 06:02:08 <pupnik> right now dosbox CROAKS when enabling SB16 emulation
Feb 01 06:02:16 <pupnik> 1600+ cycles without sb, 400 cycles with
Feb 01 06:02:24 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe, where's our emu genius, pupnik?
Feb 01 06:02:33 <pupnik> WE DON'T HAVE ONE
Feb 01 06:03:11 <pupnik> anyway back to work on Exult here.  Segfault hunting
Feb 01 06:04:14 <pupnik> oh and exult could use SB on DSP also
Feb 01 06:04:28 <pupnik> I should make a list
Feb 01 06:05:06 <pupnik> btw just tested some more dosbox apps.  Wing commander could eventually be playable (with SB on DSP)
Feb 01 06:05:18 <pupnik> and Ultima Underworld 1 and 2 could be playable (with SB on DSP)
Feb 01 06:05:37 <GeneralAntilles> Where do we send the bribe money, pupnik?
Feb 01 06:06:18 <rm_you> sonofabitch
Feb 01 06:06:33 <Tama^2> say that I can have a license for codecomposer
Feb 01 06:06:38 <Tama^2> and the software of course
Feb 01 06:07:02 <Tama^2> is that enough to get DSP taks compiled and uploaded to the DSP (using the gateway)
Feb 01 06:07:06 <Tama^2> ?
Feb 01 06:07:12 <GeneralAntilles> What's TI charging for a dev kit?
Feb 01 06:07:40 <Tama^2> a lot but I work for a company that manufactures DSP based audio cards ;)
Feb 01 06:08:03 <Tama^2> and they use code composer...
Feb 01 06:08:34 <fysa> I have $50 toward an N810 for an emulator genius.
Feb 01 06:08:35 <GeneralAntilles> TI is retarded.
Feb 01 06:08:52 <GeneralAntilles> You make the dev stuff free and increase the value of your hardware by huge amounts.
Feb 01 06:09:42 <GeneralAntilles> When are the dinosaurs gonna die so we can have awesome technology?
Feb 01 06:10:12 <Tama^2> pupnik: is that enough to get DSP taks compiled and uploaded to the DSP (using the gateway)
Feb 01 06:12:12 <fysa> how do I add debian packages to my scratchbox again?
Feb 01 06:12:21 <fysa> or was that just for source?
Feb 01 06:12:25 <pupnik_> source?
Feb 01 06:12:37 <pupnik_> you might be able to run some armel binaries, dunno
Feb 01 06:12:37 <fysa> maybe I'm dreaming.
Feb 01 06:12:49 <fysa> compiling things like automake is silly.
Feb 01 06:13:33 <pupnik_> i had to compile a ton of basic tools over the past year
Feb 01 06:13:49 <pupnik_> luckily chinook sdk seems to have more current ones
Feb 01 06:14:16 <rm_you> anyone know offhand how i want to go about getting/setting gconf values in C?
Feb 01 06:14:25 <fysa> maemo-sdk-nokia-binaries_4.0?
Feb 01 06:14:26 <rm_you> a link to an API or something would be super excellent
Feb 01 06:14:28 <pupnik_> fysa: you can get automake1.7-1.9 in chinook
Feb 01 06:14:43 <pupnik_> just apt-get install it
Feb 01 06:14:49 <fysa> aha, yes, thank you.
Feb 01 06:15:22 <pupnik_> deb-src http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free
Feb 01 06:15:30 <pupnik_> you can also add stuff like that to /etc/apt/sources.list
Feb 01 06:15:36 <fysa> doh
Feb 01 06:15:43 <fysa> configure.ac:22: require Automake 1.9.6, but have 1.9.5
Feb 01 06:16:55 <pupnik_> i think you edit aclocal.m4 to reduce that number
Feb 01 06:17:05 <pupnik_> not sure
Feb 01 06:17:36 <fysa> ftp://ftp.twaren.net/Unix/Sourceware/automake/automake-1.10.tar.gz
Feb 01 06:17:44 <fysa> yes, debian source is a good idea.
Feb 01 06:17:53 <fysa> then you can steal from their debian/ ;)
Feb 01 06:18:18 <pupnik_> rm_you: see http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/Maemo_tutorial_bora.html
Feb 01 06:26:18 <pupnik> rm_you: did you get the link?
Feb 01 06:26:31 <rm_you> yeah
Feb 01 06:26:37 <rm_you> thanks :)
Feb 01 06:26:42 <rm_you> will have to read later
Feb 01 06:26:48 <rm_you> i want to sleep tonight, and i have a paper to write :/
Feb 01 06:26:50 <pupnik> np.  didn't know if it made it before i disconnected
Feb 01 06:26:53 <pupnik> ok cheers
Feb 01 07:15:01 <|tbb|> morning all
Feb 01 07:17:03 <pupnik> huhu
Feb 01 07:18:15 <Blafasel> moin
Feb 01 07:19:32 <solmumaha> morning
Feb 01 07:25:31 <n0ob_> good morning
Feb 01 07:44:53 <proteous> installing win2k on a raid 5 array of 7 disks with a hardware raid controler takes like 1 minute :)
Feb 01 07:45:25 <proteous> formating an 8 gig partition with NTFS takes like 15 seconds
Feb 01 07:47:50 <hachi> ARRGHHHHH
Feb 01 07:48:00 <hachi> my 810 just rebooted on its own
Feb 01 07:48:08 <proteous> it's like magic!!
Feb 01 07:48:14 <hachi> something is seriously wrong with this platform
Feb 01 07:48:23 <proteous> :/
Feb 01 07:48:35 <hachi> I'm sitting 5 feet from it, can't have been any action on my part
Feb 01 07:48:53 <GeneralAntilles> One of the watchdog's watched things crashed.
Feb 01 07:50:42 <GeneralAntilles> hachi, you might consider flashing and restarting with Claws mail.
Feb 01 07:51:05 <GeneralAntilles> Modest is awesome, but it's not 100% and some of the bugs bug some people a lot.
Feb 01 07:51:22 <hachi> I tried claws and the interface was awful
Feb 01 07:53:38 <proteous> use ssh and mutt
Feb 01 07:53:50 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe
Feb 01 07:53:52 <n0ob_> proteous: hehe
Feb 01 07:53:53 <GeneralAntilles> That'd work.
Feb 01 07:53:54 <proteous> that's what I do
Feb 01 07:54:11 <proteous> a screen session with mutt and irssi running in it on a remote server
Feb 01 07:54:22 <proteous> can connect from anywhere I can get a ssh connection
Feb 01 07:54:36 <proteous> check my email and chat
Feb 01 07:54:51 <GeneralAntilles> Isn't screen the best?
Feb 01 07:54:55 <proteous> yeah
Feb 01 07:55:02 <hachi> I bought it for the purpose of having something that could blink at me when I needed to care
Feb 01 07:55:19 <proteous> except when you do something screwy and get a screen inside screen thing going and the universe implodes
Feb 01 07:55:21 <scibot> Anyone figured out how to do pixel doubling with pygame yet?
Feb 01 07:55:40 <GeneralAntilles> hachi, goodnews is that it'll only be another month or two for the next firmware update and Modest will probably come out of beta then.
Feb 01 07:56:02 <hachi> what was the point of the 700 series of this device though?
Feb 01 07:56:13 <proteous> don't diss my 770
Feb 01 07:56:13 <GeneralAntilles> The 770 was awesome.
Feb 01 07:56:18 <scibot> Prototype.
Feb 01 07:56:19 <GeneralAntilles> Still is awesome.
Feb 01 07:56:32 <proteous> at least not until I get my 819
Feb 01 07:56:35 <proteous> er, 810
Feb 01 07:56:36 <GeneralAntilles> Heck, for all it's troubles, OS2005 was incredibly groundbreaking.
Feb 01 07:56:39 <hachi> I'm sure it is, but what software did you use?
Feb 01 07:56:48 <GeneralAntilles> Most of the same software you use now.
Feb 01 07:56:51 <scibot> YAY FLASHBLOCK!
Feb 01 07:56:53 <GeneralAntilles> Just in earlier version.
Feb 01 07:56:59 <GeneralAntilles> s/version/versions/
Feb 01 07:57:00 <infobot> GeneralAntilles meant: Just in earlier versions.
Feb 01 07:57:02 <hachi> the email client uses up 100% cpu all the time, the IM client can't connect
Feb 01 07:57:09 <proteous> the browser is more stable then yours!
Feb 01 07:57:16 <GeneralAntilles> Bull, proteous. :P
Feb 01 07:57:27 <proteous> I just use the browser and xterm for ssh
Feb 01 07:57:32 <proteous> and the audioplayer
Feb 01 07:57:40 <GeneralAntilles> I'd still say the 770 makes the world's best ebook reader.
Feb 01 07:57:44 <GeneralAntilles> Fantastic media remote.
Feb 01 07:57:45 <proteous> with ssh I get email and IM+IRC
Feb 01 07:57:53 <solmumaha> and a great navigator
Feb 01 07:58:10 <GeneralAntilles> hachi, the IM client CAN connect.
Feb 01 07:58:19 <GeneralAntilles> A lot of people are using it just fine.
Feb 01 07:58:27 <GeneralAntilles> and e-mail using 100% is new to me.
Feb 01 07:59:29 <hachi> I'm just sad because I bought this because openmoko wasn't ready
Feb 01 07:59:36 <proteous> I've never opened the email or IM client on my 770
Feb 01 07:59:40 <hachi> nokia marketed it as though it would work better
Feb 01 07:59:44 <proteous> heh
Feb 01 08:00:20 <GeneralAntilles> and it does for a lot of people.
Feb 01 08:00:54 <proteous> the only reason I lust after a 810 is for the keyboard
Feb 01 08:00:59 <GeneralAntilles> You've evidently entered an edge-case where problems crop up, though.
Feb 01 08:01:17 <n0ob_> hey folks: what is a "nokia av connector 3,5mm"? does this prevent using standard headphones?
Feb 01 08:01:21 <GeneralAntilles> proteous, the N8x0s are so stupidly faster than the 770.
Feb 01 08:01:22 <hachi> what items are watchdoged?
Feb 01 08:01:32 <proteous> I don't really have any speed problems
Feb 01 08:01:33 <GeneralAntilles> No, n0ob_.
Feb 01 08:01:37 <proteous> although I can't complain about that
Feb 01 08:01:44 <GeneralAntilles> It's a standard 3-channel 3.5mm jack found on 1000s of devices.
Feb 01 08:01:45 <proteous> er, I wouldn't complain if I got more speed
Feb 01 08:01:57 <n0ob_> GeneralAntilles: thx
Feb 01 08:02:05 <GeneralAntilles> You'll complain about the 770's speed when you get an N810. :P
Feb 01 08:02:09 <proteous> lol
Feb 01 08:02:25 <solmumaha> in most cases at least
Feb 01 08:02:53 <inz> hachi, have you ever seen a company market it's product as unfinished and buggy?
Feb 01 08:03:17 <inz> hachi, except FIC with Neo, of course, but they're not marketing to the great public
Feb 01 08:03:24 <hachi> I have one of those
Feb 01 08:03:55 <hachi> I'm glad it was a gift, didn't have to buy it
Feb 01 08:25:01 <hachi> okay then... if I'm gonna give claws a shot... I'm trying to find a way to unsubscribe from all the folders except inbox
Feb 01 08:25:13 <hachi> it seems to subscribe to all by default
Feb 01 08:36:59 <Khertan> Hi !
Feb 01 08:37:26 <Khertan> Is there a way to see/scan all available wifi AP in python ?
Feb 01 08:42:57 <solmumaha> libconic?
Feb 01 08:47:43 <solmumaha> the lib itself was broken in ruby when i tried it, but the scanning worked fine
Feb 01 08:51:56 <b0unc3> good morning
Feb 01 08:52:03 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Feb 01 08:54:54 <_collin_> re
Feb 01 08:57:08 <Khertan> solmumaha > it s seems there is now libconic binding for python ... not ready yet
Feb 01 09:00:45 <Khertan> hum ... in fact it s seems avalaible : python-conics
Feb 01 09:02:52 * Jaffa sees on p.m.o that mdk's left Nokia. Doh
Feb 01 09:03:11 <kennyyu_> hi there, I've read this page (http://www.scratchbox.org/documentation/user/scratchbox-1.0/html/ideintegration.html#AEN76) but aren't sure if I can start a debugger session (DDD) for debugging mozilla firefox-bin... actally, is it possible?
Feb 01 09:04:06 <kennyyu_> Or it would be grateful to let me know if there's anyone who's tried this before :)
Feb 01 09:04:07 <kennyyu_> thanks
Feb 01 09:14:10 <hrw> morning
Feb 01 09:15:29 <Khertan> solmumaha > i get a strange error : connection !=NULL failed in file dbus-connection.c line 5154
Feb 01 09:15:37 <Khertan> morning hrw
Feb 01 09:17:21 <solmumaha> Khertan: sry, not a python person so i can't help you there
Feb 01 09:17:51 <Khertan> solmumaha > no prob
Feb 01 09:21:23 <maddler> morning all
Feb 01 09:21:56 <solmumaha> Khertan: can you think of an app written with python that uses it?
Feb 01 09:29:41 <jku> Khertan, conic doesn't have api for getting list  of all APs, IIRC
Feb 01 09:31:09 <solmumaha> oh
Feb 01 09:31:36 <jku> con_ic_connection_get_all_iaps() only lists configured ones despite the name
Feb 01 09:31:56 <jku> again, _if_ I recall correctly
Feb 01 09:33:00 <solmumaha> is hcitool included on default?
Feb 01 09:33:06 <solmumaha> ah, sry
Feb 01 09:33:11 <solmumaha> bluetooth thing
Feb 01 09:33:26 <solmumaha> any console app for scanning?
Feb 01 09:34:00 <johnx> you could compile hcitool in scratchbox without too much work...
Feb 01 09:36:08 <jku> solmumaha you can use dbus (there's a python script somewhere in the internet)
Feb 01 09:53:42 <_collin_> solmumaha: nop it is not
Feb 01 09:54:10 <_collin_> solmumaha: if you wait until the weekend ... there will be something
Feb 01 09:54:16 <_collin_> I had a package for bluez-utils
Feb 01 09:54:27 <_collin_> but it broke the rest of the bluetooth stuff
Feb 01 09:54:45 <_collin_> so now I'm going to make a package with just the missing binaries
Feb 01 09:55:15 <Blafasel> Nice.. Support for the bluetooth scanner package of yours? ;)
Feb 01 09:55:24 <_collin_> yes
Feb 01 09:55:29 <_collin_> also for my keyboard
Feb 01 09:55:55 <_collin_> it needs to reconfigure the bluetooth device type so it looks like a keyboard when a PC is scanning
Feb 01 09:56:48 <hahlo> is /media/mmc2 inner sd card?
Feb 01 09:58:07 <GeneralAntilles> Yes.
Feb 01 09:59:41 <hahlo> thanks
Feb 01 10:00:41 <hahlo> got bigger card inside, i do partitions for that
Feb 01 10:10:53 <hahlo> omg i boot os2008 and got five big ? question marks on the screen
Feb 01 10:11:20 <pupnik> wow
Feb 01 10:11:37 <solmumaha> screenshot?
Feb 01 10:11:44 <hahlo> they weren't in last boot
Feb 01 10:12:01 <hahlo> solmumaha: how I get one?
Feb 01 10:15:08 <hahlo> must be cause this pid cx3110x
Feb 01 10:16:15 <solmumaha> install the load-applet
Feb 01 10:16:32 <hahlo> ok
Feb 01 10:16:46 <hahlo> device did reboot
Feb 01 10:18:11 <pupnik> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=907&d=1201681972   lftp ftp client for Chinook
Feb 01 10:19:55 <pupnik> wb johnx
Feb 01 10:20:43 <johnx> hi
Feb 01 10:21:29 <pupnik> wb ssvb :)
Feb 01 10:21:37 * pupnik feels like a receptionist
Feb 01 10:21:59 <ssvb> pupnik: hi :)
Feb 01 10:22:00 <johnx> eh, that's ok...I feel like a factoid bot sometimes
Feb 01 10:22:25 <hahlo> umount /media/mmc2 said Device or resource busy
Feb 01 10:22:44 <pupnik> ssvb, is there a double-buffering 400x240 sdl in our future?
Feb 01 10:22:48 <johnx> try stopping metalayer crawler
Feb 01 10:23:26 * pupnik wants to get faster sdl without figuring out all the stuff ssvb has done
Feb 01 10:24:29 <hahlo> johnx: didn't help
Feb 01 10:24:41 <ssvb> pupnik: theoretically it should be possible, but in practice it may require hacking kernel, xserver and libsdl (all of this stuff is part of the standard firmware)
Feb 01 10:24:51 <johnx> hahlo, interesting
Feb 01 10:25:03 <hahlo> killall metalayer-crawl
Feb 01 10:25:16 <solmumaha> did it actually die?
Feb 01 10:25:31 <ssvb> pupnik: ensuring compatibility with all the firmware versions may be not so easy
Feb 01 10:25:42 <johnx> yeah I usually use its script under init.d
Feb 01 10:25:43 <hahlo> solmumaha: no it didn't
Feb 01 10:25:52 <pupnik> ssvb, ok so the compatible way is to use xsp with sdl updaterect?
Feb 01 10:26:31 <pupnik> things are basically ok as long as blits are 400x240, even with current sdl
Feb 01 10:28:11 <ssvb> pupnik: yes, probably that's thme most compatible method right now (if xsp support will not be dropped), though it has many limitations
Feb 01 10:29:10 <ssvb> pupnik: one more option is to hack xserver and add RGB support to Xv, this way it will be possible to use arbitrary scaling and tearsync
Feb 01 10:29:26 <hahlo> seems unkillable this metalayer, what is it anyway?
Feb 01 10:29:44 <pupnik> it crawls the filesystem to find media files, i think
Feb 01 10:29:48 <ssvb> pupnik: but this will work only for N800/N810
Feb 01 10:30:09 <johnx> hahlo, did you try it's init script?
Feb 01 10:30:32 <pupnik> ssvb, should i be disabling xsp doubling after every updaterect?
Feb 01 10:30:33 <hahlo> i try that
Feb 01 10:31:10 <ssvb> pupnik: I don't know, I stopped using xsp long ago :)
Feb 01 10:31:27 <hahlo> that helped
Feb 01 10:31:32 <pupnik> oki.  i will try to study mplayer sometime.  thanks for the pioneering work!
Feb 01 10:32:13 <hahlo> metalayer stopped but device still busy
Feb 01 10:32:50 <hahlo> umount: cannot umount /media/mmc2: Device or resource busy
Feb 01 10:33:12 <pupnik> lsof |grep mmc
Feb 01 10:34:39 <hahlo> don't see mmc2 at all only mmc1 and mmc0
Feb 01 10:35:45 <pupnik> argh this distortion on N810 is k i l l i n g my ears
Feb 01 10:36:10 <pupnik> sorry hahlo, then i don't know
Feb 01 10:36:43 <hahlo> ok i got mmc2 anyway /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /media/mmc2
Feb 01 10:37:32 <johnx> hahlo, just turn the tablet off, and pull the card
Feb 01 10:38:09 <hahlo> can I do partions in pc?
Feb 01 10:38:20 <johnx> under windows?
Feb 01 10:38:24 <hahlo> no
Feb 01 10:38:33 <johnx> linux with card reader? yeah
Feb 01 10:38:42 <hahlo> debian gnu linux, ok
Feb 01 10:38:48 <johnx> yeah
Feb 01 10:38:57 <johnx> and you can use something better than sfdisk too
Feb 01 10:39:05 <johnx> use cfdisk or gparted
Feb 01 10:39:11 * johnx hates sfdisk
Feb 01 10:39:54 <hahlo> card got small swap can i keep that in it?
Feb 01 10:40:31 <hahlo> 128mb swap partition in 2gb kingston
Feb 01 10:40:48 <johnx> yeah, sure
Feb 01 10:40:55 <hahlo> ok
Feb 01 10:41:01 <johnx> just don't swap to any card that you don't have a good warranty on :P
Feb 01 10:45:08 <hahlo> johnx: how big fat partition needed?
Feb 01 10:45:27 <hahlo> that 480mb?
Feb 01 10:45:29 <johnx> I don't know
Feb 01 10:45:40 <johnx> for debian?
Feb 01 10:45:44 <hahlo> yes
Feb 01 10:45:45 <johnx> or what?
Feb 01 10:45:51 <hahlo> your system
Feb 01 10:45:57 <johnx> it doesn't need a FAT partition at all
Feb 01 10:46:01 <johnx> it needs an ext2 partition
Feb 01 10:46:03 <johnx> or ext3
Feb 01 10:46:10 <hahlo> only one?
Feb 01 10:46:33 <johnx> if you only want Debian it just needs one Ext2/3 partition
Feb 01 10:46:46 <johnx> if you want to boot Debian and OS2008 off of SD then you need one partition for each
Feb 01 10:47:02 <johnx> I just have my 2GB card as one ext3 partition
Feb 01 10:47:39 <hahlo> so i make just one partition with fdisk
Feb 01 10:48:21 <johnx> yes, you only need one partition
Feb 01 10:49:45 <lardman> morning all
Feb 01 10:49:56 <johnx> 'mornin
Feb 01 10:49:57 <X-Fade> Morning.
Feb 01 10:52:04 <pupnik> test your SD card speed:  http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=788&d=1200124104
Feb 01 10:55:11 <hrw> pupnik: its no test
Feb 01 10:55:25 <pupnik> i suppose so
Feb 01 10:55:28 <hrw> pupnik: on tablets SD speed depends on CPU speed
Feb 01 10:55:29 <pupnik> i get varying results
Feb 01 10:55:55 <hrw> you need first to change cpufreq governor to 'performance' one, do test, switch back to 'ondeman'
Feb 01 10:56:05 <hrw> otherwise it is useless test
Feb 01 10:56:29 <hrw> and use hdparm instead of dd ;)
Feb 01 11:00:15 <pupnik> cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor
Feb 01 11:00:15 <pupnik> performance
Feb 01 11:00:16 <pupnik> cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor
Feb 01 11:00:16 <pupnik> performance
Feb 01 11:00:25 <pupnik> oop
Feb 01 11:00:46 <pupnik> i will change script
Feb 01 11:02:00 <pupnik> but i think cpu scaler might go to 400mhz with this dd anyway
Feb 01 11:02:15 <pupnik> will compare between performance and ondemand
Feb 01 11:08:04 <lardman> hrw: why does bitbake only produce debs of some files?
Feb 01 11:08:17 <hrw> lardman: use "-cbuildall"
Feb 01 11:08:18 <lardman> Are they only the ones I've bitbaked directly?
Feb 01 11:08:53 <hrw> lardman: yes - its due to fact that package tasks are not dependents of other tasks
Feb 01 11:08:58 <lardman> ok
Feb 01 11:09:29 <hahlo> johnx: how i untar xvjf or should i stick p too?
Feb 01 11:09:37 <lardman> Octave appears broken, doesn't symlink its libraries from /usr/lib/octave-3.0.0/ to /usr/lib/, but this might be a postinst script failure I suppose
Feb 01 11:09:51 <johnx> hahlo, what does p do?
Feb 01 11:10:07 <johnx> ah
Feb 01 11:10:12 <johnx> doesn't matter if you're root
Feb 01 11:10:16 <hahlo> ok
Feb 01 11:12:02 <pupnik> does SD get slower as it fills up?
Feb 01 11:12:28 <hrw> pupnik: should not
Feb 01 11:13:46 <pupnik> can i force slow cpu with any of these scalers? conservative ondemand null powersave performance
Feb 01 11:13:56 <lardman> conservative
Feb 01 11:14:00 <lardman> or powersave
Feb 01 11:14:12 <pupnik> k
Feb 01 11:14:31 <lardman> try a google for the difference, I can't remember it atm
Feb 01 11:14:54 <johnx> pupnik, the sd card itself won't get slower, but certain filesystems will get slower when close to full. I know at least reiserfs will slow down a lot over 90% full
Feb 01 11:16:38 <pupnik> hah got my fastest read times on powersave
Feb 01 11:17:22 <lardman> the cpu is probably not the limiting factor in any case
Feb 01 11:24:49 <pupnik> ooh most of them are slower now
Feb 01 11:25:59 <pupnik> lardman: did you post your work on DSP ogg anywhere for others to see/download?
Feb 01 11:26:36 <pupnik> or what's up with that... got boring/frustrating?
Feb 01 11:27:37 <lardman> pupnik: garage project
Feb 01 11:28:00 <lardman> https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/dsp-tremor-devel/2008-January/000000.html
Feb 01 11:28:25 <pupnik> oki!
Feb 01 11:29:40 <pupnik> maybe Idnt could put someone on this!
Feb 01 11:35:25 <Lynoure> I'm a newbie when it comes to using N800 with a phone. Any trouble I should be expecting with Motorola RAZR V3xx? Couldn't find anything with Google.
Feb 01 11:36:16 <inz> jku, compiling gammu is the easy part, compiling cmake took ages
Feb 01 11:36:52 <jku> inz, ouch
Feb 01 11:37:19 <inz> jku, I guess I'll dput cmake too, so I don't lose it ;)
Feb 01 11:37:29 <ssvb> lardman: I wonder if the next firmware will allow running DSP tasks at 133MHz keeping ARM core at 400MHz
Feb 01 11:37:36 <GeneralAntilles> Lynoure, search ITT.
Feb 01 11:38:06 <ssvb> lardman: otherwise using DSP does not look very attractive from the practical point of view
Feb 01 11:39:57 <ssvb> lardman: In any case, if I get it right,no matter if 400/133 or 330/220 mode is used, OMAP is running at the highest possible voltage which makes it not very good for the battery
Feb 01 11:41:06 <Lynoure> GeneralAntilles: Did not, could not find anything on any RAZR
Feb 01 11:41:23 <Lynoure> GeneralAntilles: I guess it means more good than bad...
Feb 01 11:42:13 <GeneralAntilles> Er, nothing? http://tinyurl.com/yvojgg
Feb 01 11:42:55 <johnx> Lynoure, if you search for v3xx on internettablettalk.com/forums and select "show posts" you'll find the settings you need and even a speed report
Feb 01 11:44:49 <GeneralAntilles> johnx, second go on Debian.
Feb 01 11:45:32 <johnx> did you find anything wrong with that card?
Feb 01 11:45:50 <GeneralAntilles> Nope
Feb 01 11:45:58 <johnx> weird
Feb 01 11:46:10 <johnx> but not the weirdest thing I've seen with SD cards ... not by a long shot
Feb 01 11:46:24 <lardman> ssvb: Igor was talking about releasing the steps to alter the multipliers wasn't he?
Feb 01 11:46:45 <lardman> ssvb: or just be removing the kernel switch you mean?
Feb 01 11:47:03 <Lynoure> johnx: thanks
Feb 01 11:50:02 * lardman needs caffeine
Feb 01 11:50:24 <Lynoure> johnx: found it. Looks like a particularly tricky phone.
Feb 01 11:50:27 <johnx> mmmm...caffeine
Feb 01 11:53:28 <hahlo> why it doesn't work  tar xvjf debian-armel-n800-beta2.tar.bz2
Feb 01 11:53:53 <johnx> it doesn't?
Feb 01 11:53:57 <johnx> what happens?
Feb 01 11:54:10 <hahlo> tar: invalid option
Feb 01 11:54:23 <hahlo> Usage: tar -[czxtvO] [-f TARFILE] [-C DIR] [FILE(s)]
Feb 01 11:54:28 <johnx> aaah
Feb 01 11:54:32 <johnx> on the tablet
Feb 01 11:54:32 <_berto_> anyone using OS2006 or OS2007 here ?
Feb 01 11:54:34 <johnx> hmm
Feb 01 11:54:36 <inz> hahlo, your tar doesn't support j
Feb 01 11:54:41 <GeneralAntilles> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8631
Feb 01 11:54:46 <GeneralAntilles> Grab the tar there.
Feb 01 11:54:53 <GeneralAntilles> Stick it in /home/user/bin/tar or summuch
Feb 01 11:55:12 <inz> hahlo, use bzip2 -dc <package| | tar xv
Feb 01 11:55:14 <johnx> yeah, or untar it on a destkop machine with a card reader
Feb 01 11:55:36 <johnx> guess I should add something to the FAQ...
Feb 01 11:55:39 <hahlo> ok first linux where tar didn't work
Feb 01 11:56:00 <johnx> yeah, that's busybox...
Feb 01 11:56:06 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe
Feb 01 11:56:08 <inz> hahlo, tar does work, it just doesn't support j, which is a gnu tar addition
Feb 01 11:56:10 <GeneralAntilles> Damned busybox.
Feb 01 11:56:23 <inz> Don't blame busybox, blame GNU for bloating everything
Feb 01 11:56:47 <GeneralAntilles> How about we blame both?
Feb 01 11:57:16 <GeneralAntilles> and toss Apple and Microsoft in there for fun.
Feb 01 11:57:17 <inz> General, busybox is good in what it does, I don't comment on whether it was a wise choice on maemo though
Feb 01 11:57:36 <johnx> it probably was a good choice
Feb 01 11:57:50 <johnx> I'd be willing to bet it saves a good chunk of disk space and lots of RAM
Feb 01 11:57:54 <inz> jku, gammu 0.18.0-1mh1 in maemo-hackers bora now
Feb 01 11:58:05 <johnx> however, I don't have to pretend it's my preferred hacking environment...
Feb 01 11:58:45 <inz> johnx, disk space, probably, RAM, that I wouldn't be so sure
Feb 01 11:59:21 <johnx> yeah, I guess RAM savings will probably be more a result of shell choice
Feb 01 11:59:43 <inz> I would guess dash would do about as good ram consumption wise
Feb 01 12:00:12 <johnx> I should probably get Debian using that by default...
Feb 01 12:00:29 <inz> Ubuntu already does ;)
Feb 01 12:00:41 <GeneralAntilles> It's booting, I think, johnx. :D
Feb 01 12:00:44 <inz> And many people have complained because it breaks their _bash_ scripts that pretend to be sh scripts
Feb 01 12:00:46 <lardman> ssvb: since when were you interested in power saving anyway, just extracing the most performance :)
Feb 01 12:00:46 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, woo!
Feb 01 12:01:02 <johnx> inz, but makes up for the RAM savings of dash by adding it 10 hojillion other things
Feb 01 12:01:31 <Jaffa> Busybox can be compiled with 'j' support for tar, IIRC
Feb 01 12:02:21 <inz> # CONFIG_FEATURE_TAR_BZIP2 is not set
Feb 01 12:02:34 <inz> From maemo busybox's config file
Feb 01 12:03:04 <inz> jku, actually the gammu packages are also in chinook now, I hope they work ;)
Feb 01 12:03:18 <Jaffa> inz: so, we can blame Nokia :-)
Feb 01 12:03:57 <GeneralAntilles> How long should this take, johnx. <_>
Feb 01 12:04:14 <inz> Jaffa, no, blame GNU
Feb 01 12:04:17 <johnx> hmm...probably not this long
Feb 01 12:04:22 <johnx> give it another minute or two
Feb 01 12:04:34 <johnx> I really hope this worked for *someone*
Feb 01 12:04:55 <GeneralAntilles> Haha
Feb 01 12:06:38 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, at least usb networking should have come up
Feb 01 12:06:46 <johnx> you can try that easily enough
Feb 01 12:06:46 <duluu> hello all
Feb 01 12:06:50 <johnx> hi
Feb 01 12:06:58 <duluu> a week ago I bought N810 from amazon.com
Feb 01 12:07:31 <duluu> and having problem with wireless connection
Feb 01 12:07:54 <duluu> through DHCP it acquired IP address, but no nameserver
Feb 01 12:08:25 <jku> inz, ok thanks. I'll check during weekend
Feb 01 12:08:40 <duluu> how I can become root? and change /etc/resolv.conf
Feb 01 12:10:31 <inz> duluu, maemo uses dnsmasq, /etc/resolv.conf should point to 127.0.0.1
Feb 01 12:10:40 <inz> duluu, or ITOS, that is
Feb 01 12:11:15 <lardman> duluu: you can enable r&d mode
Feb 01 12:11:16 <duluu> yep, it's pointing to 127.0.0.1
Feb 01 12:11:35 <jku> duluu, several ways (see maemo wiki). I ijust install ssh and xterm, then ssh root@localhost
Feb 01 12:12:04 <jku> but you should fix your dhcp instead...
Feb 01 12:12:09 <GeneralAntilles> Oooooooh
Feb 01 12:12:11 <GeneralAntilles> There it goes
Feb 01 12:12:13 <inz> duluu, /tmp/resolv.conf.wlan0 should have the right values
Feb 01 12:12:13 <GeneralAntilles> Taaaastyyyyyyy
Feb 01 12:12:24 <duluu> tnx, it's working now
Feb 01 12:12:40 <GeneralAntilles> That's too cool.
Feb 01 12:12:58 <jkyro> hi, anybody know how to find out the bluetooth name programmatically?
Feb 01 12:13:03 <jkyro> in OS2008
Feb 01 12:13:20 <jkyro> 2007 used to have a gconf key for it but no more :(
Feb 01 12:13:28 <jku> jkyro, what exactly do you want?
Feb 01 12:13:53 <jkyro> to find out the name that is used as the bluetooth name of the device
Feb 01 12:15:07 <jku> bluez dbus api
Feb 01 12:15:32 <jkyro> ah, OK
Feb 01 12:15:39 <jkyro> thanks
Feb 01 12:17:02 <Jaffa> jkyro: there used to be a file in /etc too
Feb 01 12:17:13 <hugolp> is there any way to block the screen?
Feb 01 12:17:34 <hugolp> Ive taken the N800 out as a mp3 and when I put it on the pocket and walk a little is a big party
Feb 01 12:17:48 <GeneralAntilles> Lock touchscreen and keys?
Feb 01 12:18:10 <hugolp> GeneralAntilles:  I think that locking the touchscreen would be enough
Feb 01 12:18:45 <hugolp> is there any way?
Feb 01 12:19:49 <Jaffa> hugolp: default configuration has short press of power button + middle of d-pad
Feb 01 12:20:29 <_berto_> anyone wanting to help me test the upcoming Vagalume 0.5 on the 770 or N800 (OS2007) ?
Feb 01 12:21:28 <solmumaha> _berto_: sure
Feb 01 12:21:38 <_berto_> :)
Feb 01 12:21:43 <_berto_> http://people.igalia.com/berto/files/tmp/
Feb 01 12:21:45 <_berto_> thanks
Feb 01 12:21:48 <_berto_> you had a 770, right?
Feb 01 12:22:07 <_berto_> I tested in the SDK and it seems to work
Feb 01 12:22:17 <solmumaha> with 2006 and another with hacker/2007
Feb 01 12:22:18 <pupnik810> any streams to reccomend?
Feb 01 12:22:30 <_berto_> if nothing strange happens I'll probably release 0.5 today
Feb 01 12:22:46 <solmumaha> k, but my tests have to wait, still at work
Feb 01 12:23:02 <pupnik810> streamtuner is a pretty killer app
Feb 01 12:23:35 <_berto_> ok, I'm going for lunch now
Feb 01 12:23:39 <_berto_> so don't worry
Feb 01 12:23:39 <_berto_> :)
Feb 01 12:23:46 <pupnik810> hehe
Feb 01 12:24:46 <hugolp> Jaffa:  whats the default lock code?
Feb 01 12:25:07 <johnx> have you tried 12345 ?
Feb 01 12:25:22 * Jaffa has never PIN-locked his devices
Feb 01 12:25:23 <hugolp> Ive tried 1234
Feb 01 12:25:29 <Jaffa> (well, maemo devices)
Feb 01 12:26:00 <hugolp> johnx:  yeah, that worked
Feb 01 12:26:09 <johnx> :)
Feb 01 12:26:16 <johnx> infobot, I do your job better than you
Feb 01 12:26:17 <infobot> You do your job better than you?
Feb 01 12:26:41 <inz> omg, recursion
Feb 01 12:26:43 <johnx> I think it's mocking me...
Feb 01 12:27:11 <inz> How so, if you're reursively better at your job than you are, aren't you something like infinitely good at your job?
Feb 01 12:27:30 <hugolp> yeah, your something like god
Feb 01 12:27:32 <inz> (well, turning it around, you're recursively worse at your job than you are, but you can ignore that)
Feb 01 12:28:11 <johnx> infobot, the defaultlockcode is 12345
Feb 01 12:28:12 <infobot> okay, johnx
Feb 01 12:28:28 <ssvb> lardman: I'm interested in both performance and power efficiency (it is better if you are able to watch a full length movie on a single battery charge) :)
Feb 01 12:29:08 <GeneralAntilles> Crap, johnx, do I really need to apt-get bluetooth to start off?
Feb 01 12:29:14 <GeneralAntilles> This particular onscreen vkb is painful.
Feb 01 12:29:28 <johnx> bluetooth is included
Feb 01 12:29:44 <johnx> I have no idea how if pairing will help you though...
Feb 01 12:31:58 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, I have no idea what's up with the keymap in X :(
Feb 01 12:34:24 <GeneralAntilles> OK, so humor the nooblette, my network is WPA2 AES
Feb 01 12:34:36 <solmumaha> _berto_: what's new btw?
Feb 01 12:34:37 <GeneralAntilles> How do I need to setup the network config?
Feb 01 12:35:03 <johnx> in /etc/network/interfaces uncomment the block about wlan0 and put the right values in for ssid and psk
Feb 01 12:35:32 <johnx> be sure you put your "pass phrase" in quotes
Feb 01 12:35:48 <_berto_> solmumaha: in short: a statusbar plugin (for OS2008), a download window, new buttons and UI improvements, and some fixes
Feb 01 12:35:54 <_berto_> I have to leave now, see you later
Feb 01 12:36:29 <GeneralAntilles> Crap, vkb is all weird in vi. <_<
Feb 01 12:37:06 <johnx> lame :/
Feb 01 12:37:35 <johnx> I would do usb networking instead to edit stuff, etc
Feb 01 12:38:05 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, but then I'd have to install a USBNet driver over here
Feb 01 12:38:09 <GeneralAntilles> and I don't feel like rebooting.
Feb 01 12:38:36 <johnx> it emulates a really standard USB ethernet controller
Feb 01 12:38:49 <johnx> I would hope to god any modern OS has had that driver since 2002
Feb 01 12:39:11 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, so would I.
Feb 01 12:39:12 <lardman> ssvb: true :)
Feb 01 12:39:20 <GeneralAntilles> But we're talking about Leopard here. I have IP over Firewire. :P
Feb 01 12:39:34 <GeneralAntilles> I actually may have USBNet
Feb 01 12:39:56 <GeneralAntilles> Nope, guess not.
Feb 01 12:40:37 <GeneralAntilles> Quote ssid, too?
Feb 01 12:40:45 <johnx> I don't think it hurts
Feb 01 12:41:04 <johnx> and you probably only need to quote your passphrase if it has spaces
Feb 01 12:41:32 <GeneralAntilles> OK, all edited
Feb 01 12:41:43 <GeneralAntilles> Anything I need to do, or r i connected?
Feb 01 12:41:45 <johnx> ifdown wlan0 && ifup wlan0
Feb 01 12:44:37 <GeneralAntilles> Oops . . . that SSID is 250 miles south.
Feb 01 12:46:05 <GeneralAntilles> Sweet
Feb 01 12:46:38 <johnx> win?
Feb 01 12:46:47 <GeneralAntilles> I like how the URL history dropdown pulls focus from the vkb
Feb 01 12:46:49 <GeneralAntilles> Yes, win.
Feb 01 12:47:09 <johnx> do you like your temporary MAC address?
Feb 01 12:47:15 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe
Feb 01 12:47:17 <GeneralAntilles> Fun stuff
Feb 01 12:47:30 <GeneralAntilles> I'm more of a tea guy myself, though.
Feb 01 12:47:40 <johnx> seriously though...that's not my doing
Feb 01 12:47:59 <johnx> the MAC address must be set by wlancond or something else
Feb 01 12:48:07 <johnx> you can make it anything you want...
Feb 01 12:48:15 <GeneralAntilles> user have a default pass?
Feb 01 12:48:26 <johnx> read the Wiki :P
Feb 01 12:48:41 <GeneralAntilles> Never!
Feb 01 12:48:41 <johnx> I think it's password, but the account is locked
Feb 01 12:48:57 <GnutoN810> hi
Feb 01 12:49:03 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, as root: passwd -u user ; passwd user
Feb 01 12:49:10 <johnx> hi GnutoN810
Feb 01 12:50:11 <GnutoN810> johnx: hey :)
Feb 01 12:51:53 <GeneralAntilles> apt-get install x11vnc and done makes me happy. :3
Feb 01 12:55:19 * johnx goes afk
Feb 01 12:56:12 <oil> GeneralAntilles: x11vnc is the client to connect to server or the other way around?
Feb 01 12:56:31 <GeneralAntilles> To provide a server on the device.
Feb 01 12:56:32 <K-Fox> hi
Feb 01 12:56:36 * GeneralAntilles is in Debian on his N800.
Feb 01 12:56:41 <K-Fox> i did buy n800 ,today
Feb 01 12:57:19 <K-Fox> setting, i find out some problem
Feb 01 12:57:47 <oil> GeneralAntilles: aah. not available for default os I suppose
Feb 01 12:58:21 <K-Fox> operator setup select country <---- of list , my country have no (korea)
Feb 01 12:58:53 <K-Fox> bluetooth
Feb 01 12:59:37 <oil> I admire johnx work with debian, but then again I'm afraid that there will be less work for default OS when all the gurus start working with debian :-o
Feb 01 13:00:07 <K-Fox> setting bluetooth,operator setup select country <---- of list , my country have no (korea)
Feb 01 13:00:14 <K-Fox> i dont know at all
Feb 01 13:00:28 <GeneralAntilles> oil, http://mike.saunby.googlepages.com/x11vncfornokia7702
Feb 01 13:00:59 <oil> GeneralAntilles: thanks. I'll try that one
Feb 01 13:00:59 <Tak> oil: ...but then we'd all have access to an extremely well-maintained and regularly-updated OS...
Feb 01 13:01:07 <GeneralAntilles> K-Fox, if you know your operator settings, you can either just put bogus info into the wizard or bypass it completely.
Feb 01 13:01:55 <K-Fox> ok
Feb 01 13:02:25 <GeneralAntilles> Nokia's Asian support is pretty much non-existant.
Feb 01 13:03:15 <K-Fox> really?
Feb 01 13:03:25 <GeneralAntilles> Pretty much
Feb 01 13:03:36 <GeneralAntilles> I'm fairly certain they don't officially sell the devices anywhere over there.
Feb 01 13:04:58 <oil> tak: true, but what makes it risky business is that: then there will be less support and less developers for maemo. -> less things for normal users -> the device is less attractive -> Less sales -> ?
Feb 01 13:05:22 <Tak> debian and maemo are not mutually exclusive
Feb 01 13:06:16 <Tak> e.g., regardless of the underlying OS, I personally would still run matchbox and hildon apps, because they're better suited to the device
Feb 01 13:06:26 <oil> I guess in every business we need the masses to buy devices so that the development can continue
Feb 01 13:07:00 <Tak> besides, 90% of the third-party software "for maemo" began as generic linux software
Feb 01 13:08:29 <oil> tak: yes. and that should continue as well.
Feb 01 13:09:21 <|tbb|> who has run usbnet ever with the tablet
Feb 01 13:09:58 <johnx> oil, Maemo/hildon exists in Debian. What I want is for apps written for one to work on *both&
Feb 01 13:10:08 * johnx wanders away again
Feb 01 13:10:16 <zaheerm> have people tried this: http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2008/01/usb-otg-easy-way.html i assume it uses the cable nokia provide with the n810 right?
Feb 01 13:13:22 <suihkulokki> Microsoft Offers $44.6 Billion for Yahoo
Feb 01 13:13:25 * suihkulokki blinks
Feb 01 13:13:29 <Lynoure> zaheerm: seems to use mini-usb - usb cable, yes, Nokia's or some other's
Feb 01 13:14:10 <zaheerm> micro usb, no ... looks like an n810 in picture
Feb 01 13:14:46 <Tak> "After the failure of MSN Live! search, and having been repeatedly rebuffed by Google, Microsoft begins buying random search-related companies..."
Feb 01 13:14:48 <Lynoure> zaheerm: oh, it's called micro?
Feb 01 13:15:11 <zaheerm> n800's slot is mini usb
Feb 01 13:15:39 <Lynoure> anyway, you probably got the point :)
Feb 01 13:15:42 <suihkulokki> mini-usb was such a huge connector they had to make a smaller
Feb 01 13:16:01 <Lynoure> any cable that fits between the N8x0 and the plain F to F usb :)
Feb 01 13:16:19 <glass> microusb takes almost the same space on devices
Feb 01 13:16:29 <glass> so it's rather pointless... yet on some phones it's the only way to charge
Feb 01 13:17:06 <suihkulokki> it's *thinner*, and people drool on thin things
Feb 01 13:17:33 <Lynoure> suihkulokki: thinner is the new bigger =)
Feb 01 13:17:37 <zaheerm> like microsd instead of minisd :)
Feb 01 13:17:41 <solmumaha> yahoo deal sounds bad for freebsd
Feb 01 13:18:02 <glass> suihkulokki: like nokias smaller charger plug
Feb 01 13:18:21 <zaheerm> nokia's new devices seem to be charged by microusb instead of the smaller charger plug
Feb 01 13:18:35 <glass> on most, if not on all, phones that it's on theres space for the bigger
Feb 01 13:18:38 <glass> not all devices
Feb 01 13:18:45 <glass> just the thin
Feb 01 13:18:52 <glass> and nobody has microusb
Feb 01 13:19:03 <glass> have to bring your own full charger everywhere...
Feb 01 13:23:13 <Jaffa> Woohoo, using minicom I've connected to my phone over Bluetooth from my N810. A quick AT command like the following then gives me cell info: AT+CREG?
Feb 01 13:23:51 <glass> up to the phone
Feb 01 13:40:31 <X-Fade> Wow, Intel released it's complete specification documentation for Intel 965 graphics card. Now if we only got TI to do the same ;)
Feb 01 13:40:46 <X-Fade> The docs are even CC-attribution licensed :)
Feb 01 13:41:04 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
Feb 01 13:41:08 <GeneralAntilles> Open Letter time!
Feb 01 13:41:32 <Tak> killer
Feb 01 13:41:38 <Tak> X-Fade: you have a link?
Feb 01 13:41:43 <X-Fade> http://www.x.org/docs/intel/
Feb 01 13:41:52 <X-Fade> Including 3D..
Feb 01 13:44:23 <Tak> nice, thank you
Feb 01 13:44:52 <X-Fade> I have that card in my laptop, so I hope a lot of goodies come from that release ;)
Feb 01 13:51:53 <hahlo> hmm seems to boot only flash says boot flash
Feb 01 13:56:31 <Karlo>  Best girls in the world - http://lostworlds.lv/go.php?1139655440
Feb 01 13:56:51 <Jaffa> lardman|away: ping
Feb 01 13:56:58 <X-Fade> Great, another spammer..
Feb 01 13:57:19 <X-Fade> Ah ;) K-lined...
Feb 01 13:58:41 <cizarro> X-Fade, better than K-Fedded.
Feb 01 13:59:34 <X-Fade> heh.
Feb 01 14:00:51 <pupnik> i wish i could fork() myself
Feb 01 14:01:26 <Tak> pupnik: you can; you just need a partner
Feb 01 14:01:50 <pupnik> :)
Feb 01 14:01:59 <X-Fade> Tak: That has a big lag of about 16 years..
Feb 01 14:03:00 <jku> yeah, and they say forking is not that expensive... well, that one is
Feb 01 14:04:22 <hahlo> now i found menu key, now boots from card i think
Feb 01 14:05:23 <Tak> X-Fade: yeah, we could stand to do some optimization on that
Feb 01 14:23:34 <hahlo> johnx: doesn't seem to like boot from card just say failed but in chroot /media/mmc2 /bin/sh seems to work
Feb 01 14:26:18 <ywwg> I'm having trouble connecting to a WPA accesspoint with my new n810.  I was able to connect at home fine, but at work it says it's not getting an ip address.  Is there a way I can try to connect through the terminal so I can see what's going on?
Feb 01 14:26:27 <pupnik> is there a possibility to record output of the ITOS multimedia sound architecture to test for overflow / distortion in waveform?
Feb 01 14:26:45 <pupnik> maybe 'dmesg' in terminal ywwg
Feb 01 14:29:00 <ywwg> pupnik: nothing helpful there unfortunately
Feb 01 14:29:56 <ywwg> if I didn't know better I'd say I have the wrong wifi password, but I know it's right
Feb 01 14:31:51 <WSW> hello
Feb 01 14:33:27 <Nermal> lo wsw
Feb 01 14:33:47 <WSW> hi
Feb 01 14:33:54 <WSW> nermal
Feb 01 14:34:46 <Blizzy> Hellow fellow ignorant Pedophiles, have any child porn to share today?
Feb 01 14:34:57 <WSW> hi
Feb 01 14:35:14 <WSW> how are you
Feb 01 14:36:09 <Tak> hmm, the fbi figured out how to use tor
Feb 01 14:45:53 <ywwg> looks like it's just a dhcp issue, if I specify an ip it works
Feb 01 14:46:04 <darkip> probably your router then?
Feb 01 14:46:13 <darkip> maybe it's set to only assign a certain amount of ip addresses
Feb 01 14:46:20 <darkip> or has mac filtering on?
Feb 01 14:52:02 <ywwg> darkip: Unfortunately we hired a new bunch of people to admin our linux server, so it's a black box no
Feb 01 14:52:03 <ywwg> now
Feb 01 14:52:05 <michele> hello
Feb 01 14:52:20 <ywwg> but hopefully they'll help me look at the logs or something
Feb 01 14:52:42 <ywwg> I have a sense that the n810 is just timing out, my laptop takes 30-40 seconds to get an IP and the n810 gives up sooner than that
Feb 01 14:52:52 <michele> who wants to try a greasemonkey script to make ITT forum slightly more bearable on the tablet?
Feb 01 14:53:16 <Tak> have you tried the "classic" theme?
Feb 01 14:53:35 <michele> yes
Feb 01 14:53:54 <michele> the script modifies that
Feb 01 14:54:30 <michele> less margins, bigger fonts and especially bigger change page buttons
Feb 01 14:54:35 <michele> http://micampe.it/m/ittforum.user.js
Feb 01 14:55:36 <Tak> oh, haha
Feb 01 14:55:48 <Tak> I thought you were asking if anybody wanted to try his hand at writing one...
Feb 01 14:55:52 <_berto_> i'm back
Feb 01 14:56:38 <michele> nomis, I got fed up with those tiny unclickable numbers
Feb 01 14:56:49 <michele> s/nomis/no
Feb 01 15:00:18 <pupnik> request arm assembler guru to optimize fmopl.c
Feb 01 15:00:19 <pupnik> http://mamedev.org/source/src/emu/sound/fmopl.c
Feb 01 15:07:58 <fysa> how is bochs?
Feb 01 15:08:36 <fysa> http://www.gtlib.gatech.edu/pub/gnuab/debian/pool-armel/main/b/bochs/bochs_2.3.6-2_armel.deb
Feb 01 15:08:58 <fysa> it emulates SB16
Feb 01 15:09:28 <suihkulokki> bochs is sloooow
Feb 01 15:10:25 <fysa> but if the SB16 emulation is better, that's what we need, right?
Feb 01 15:14:40 <fysa> http://bochs.sourceforge.net/doc/docbook/development/sb16-emulation-basics.html
Feb 01 15:14:41 <_collin_> pupnik: most stuff doesn't need asm optimization since compilers are really good
Feb 01 15:16:16 <pupnik> yah
Feb 01 15:17:25 <solmumaha> _berto_: seem to just fine
Feb 01 15:17:33 <solmumaha> work
Feb 01 15:17:47 <dphil9000> I wonder if it's worth it to install bash
Feb 01 15:18:04 <solmumaha> bora works on hacker
Feb 01 15:19:27 <_berto_> great!
Feb 01 15:19:28 <_berto_> :)
Feb 01 15:19:37 <_berto_> have you tested in 2007he or 2006 ?
Feb 01 15:20:03 <solmumaha> both
Feb 01 15:20:19 <solmumaha> gregale on 2006
Feb 01 15:20:42 <_berto_> great, thanks
Feb 01 15:20:42 <_berto_> :)
Feb 01 15:20:45 <_berto_> good to know that
Feb 01 15:20:56 <_berto_> if you have any quick suggestion it could go into the final release
Feb 01 15:21:15 <_berto_> (we have a couple of hours)
Feb 01 15:22:22 <solmumaha> stop and close connection after some time period? :)
Feb 01 15:24:04 <_berto_> uh, we don't have the time for that now :)
Feb 01 15:24:10 <_berto_> but maybe for the next version ...
Feb 01 15:25:06 <solmumaha> k
Feb 01 15:26:28 <solmumaha> my name first in credits?
Feb 01 15:26:45 <solmumaha> that's quick
Feb 01 15:27:55 <_berto_> lol
Feb 01 15:27:56 <_berto_> :)
Feb 01 15:28:21 <_berto_> well, you're right actually, you've helped a lot testing it in OS2006
Feb 01 15:28:27 <solmumaha> nono
Feb 01 15:28:34 <_berto_> so if you give me your name you'll appear in the THANKS file
Feb 01 15:28:35 <solmumaha> it's nothing
Feb 01 15:28:35 <_berto_> ;)
Feb 01 15:28:58 <solmumaha>  /whois
Feb 01 15:29:06 <solmumaha> but no need
Feb 01 15:29:30 <_berto_> it's just the THANKS file  :)
Feb 01 15:30:18 <pupnik> ok i did find some code in dosbox that makes heavy use of trig
Feb 01 15:30:35 <pupnik> is there a place where i can read how to link-in the vfp libm?
Feb 01 15:33:08 <Tak> pupnik:  -mcpu=arm1136j-s -mtune=arm1136j-s -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp  ‽
Feb 01 15:33:22 <dphil9000> Apparently I have several IP's
Feb 01 15:33:38 <Tak> or do I misunderstand the question?
Feb 01 15:37:52 <Jaffa> Anyone got a dosbox image with Win 3.1 (or, I suppose, 95/98) with appropriate configs for an N810?
Feb 01 15:38:14 * Jaffa fancies seeing it, but can't be bothered with finding an install and going through the palaver.
Feb 01 15:46:54 <pupnik> tak yes i want to use those cflags but i heard that for trig functions, a special libm was required
Feb 01 15:47:46 <Tak> you'd have to build (or acquire) a libm built with those flags
Feb 01 15:56:20 <jga23> has anybody been able to pull down their cell phone's address book with bluetooth and PBAP?
Feb 01 15:57:19 <zoran> pbap?
Feb 01 15:57:27 <jga23> phone book access profile
Feb 01 15:57:48 <jga23> when I do a service search on my phone that comes up
Feb 01 15:57:55 <zoran> I used bluetooth from 64bit freebsd to nokia 6233
Feb 01 15:58:26 <jga23> its the same profile that bluetooth car kits use, but I want to pull the phone book into my tablet
Feb 01 15:58:54 <zoran> k, the app in fact is obexapp, and I use it with ftrn
Feb 01 15:59:12 <zoran> whatever is on the phone, it is accessible
Feb 01 15:59:32 <zoran> the name of app on linux is something different
Feb 01 16:38:45 <Andy80> yerga: hi :)
Feb 01 16:39:33 <lardman> afternoon all
Feb 01 16:40:51 <pupnik> woo woo got another few percent speed out of dosbox
Feb 01 16:40:58 <lardman> well done
Feb 01 16:40:59 <Tak> huzzah!
Feb 01 16:41:36 <pupnik> :)
Feb 01 16:41:54 <pupnik> it's pretty big actually - testing ...
Feb 01 16:43:33 <lardman> Wow, N800 seems sooo big after N810
Feb 01 16:43:44 <hrw> :)
Feb 01 16:43:44 <Jaffa> Is it actually usable for anything apart from old CGA games?
Feb 01 16:44:01 <pupnik> i'm testing with ultima underworld, doom and wing commander
Feb 01 16:44:01 <Jaffa> lardman: Found a reference to supl.nokia.com, the service it provides and more general details about it.
Feb 01 16:44:14 <lardman> Jaffa: Good news :)
Feb 01 16:44:42 <Tak> pupnik: have you tried one of the linux ports of ultima underworld?
Feb 01 16:45:03 <pupnik> i haven't found any UW ports near usablility
Feb 01 16:45:46 <lardman> Jaffa: you have an url?
Feb 01 16:49:05 <lardman> .me twiddles thumbs while openssh generates keys
Feb 01 16:49:26 <lardman> that was my hidden side
Feb 01 16:49:31 <Jaffa> Nothing massively helpful after another Google: http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Assisted_GPS_on_N95 - refers to an H-SPL standard.
Feb 01 16:49:38 <Jaffa> (sorry 'net connection went down)
Feb 01 16:50:01 <lardman> np, looking at the link now
Feb 01 16:50:38 <lardman> ah yes, I've seen that, no mention of what is sent or received (i.e. thje formats)
Feb 01 16:51:08 <Jaffa> No. I had a further google on H-SPL and SUPL and got references to Nokia's press release about Secure User Plane Locations but again, no formats.
Feb 01 16:51:26 <lardman> ah, patents then perhaps
Feb 01 16:51:41 <Jaffa> Indeed
Feb 01 16:51:55 <lardman> something to do once we know it will work, rather than wasting time now methinks
Feb 01 16:54:17 <lardman> hmm, lost my ivorbisidec.cmd file reflashing, pita
Feb 01 16:56:09 <pupnik> :/
Feb 01 16:59:33 <lardman> hmm, oh well looks like I changed the memory locations so I didn't need one
Feb 01 17:05:53 <lardman_> bloody computer
Feb 01 17:06:28 <hrw|gone> bye
Feb 01 17:06:37 <lardman_> cu hrw
Feb 01 17:16:57 <pH5> hi lardman_, what is the current status of your ivorbisdec.o efforts?
Feb 01 17:17:24 <lardman_> pH5: segfaulting at the moment, can't remember what I was doing when I stopped work last time
Feb 01 17:17:41 <lardman_> going to rebuild the arm-side, as that's what's failing
Feb 01 17:19:41 <lardman_> hmm, looks like I'm getting an error opening the device
Feb 01 17:19:45 <lardman_> dsp device that is
Feb 01 17:20:54 <lardman_> aargh, no messages anywhere
Feb 01 17:21:19 <lardman_> serves me right for reflashing my build machine - N800
Feb 01 17:21:37 <lardman_> test machine even
Feb 01 17:23:27 <lardman_> hmm, it's failing with "Interrupted system call"
Feb 01 17:25:47 <lardman_> When in doubt reboot
Feb 01 17:26:08 <lardman_> back to the question, the dsp code runs but for some reason does not recognise the vorbis stream as being the real deal
Feb 01 17:26:29 <lardman_> am tracking down where this occurs
Feb 01 17:27:40 <lardman_> it falls over on the 3rd header (I think that's the right one), the one which contains the decoder setup data
Feb 01 17:29:12 <lardman_> fine, reboot sorted that out
Feb 01 17:29:17 <lardman_> now it's running ok
Feb 01 17:30:11 <lardman_> http://pastebin.ca/887839 is the sort of thing I'm looking at
Feb 01 17:30:33 * lardman_ feels like he's talking to himself, anyone out there?
Feb 01 17:30:35 <ph|ber> how do you make canola rescan the audio db?
Feb 01 17:32:18 <mgedmin> open and close the card cover?
Feb 01 17:32:50 * pH5 was just is listening in awe ;)
Feb 01 17:32:57 <pH5> s/is//
Feb 01 17:32:57 <infobot> pH5 meant: hi lardman_, what  the current status of your ivorbisdec.o efforts?
Feb 01 17:32:57 <lardman_> lol
Feb 01 17:33:24 <lardman_> ok, so at the end of that pastebin, you see the line: vorbis_book_unpack: Wrong alignment
Feb 01 17:34:28 <lardman_> The two lines before output the values of the 2 bytes which are about to be read from the stream, they ==0, the 24bits I want to read should ==0x564342
Feb 01 17:35:27 <lardman_> so either my bit reading code is broken (though it has worked thus far) or my buffer alloc code is broken (has also worked thus far) or perhaps I've forgotten to cast those outputs to unsigned shorts (the only values I'm allowed to output)
Feb 01 17:38:08 <lardman_> have just tweaked code to be sure, rebuilt, sft'd new module across, re-run, and same error
Feb 01 17:38:16 <lardman_> sftp'd
Feb 01 17:40:25 <lardman_> supper time, the pub quiz but next time I look at it I need to check the bit reading code
Feb 01 17:41:28 <lardman_> all sizes are handled in terms of 8bit bytes, but obviously one needs to convert them to 16bit sizes for the DSP to actually find, so I'm wondering if there's a problem when my buffer starts on an odd byte
Feb 01 17:42:13 <pH5> lardman_: is this the code that is uploaded on your homepage? the dsp-tremor svn repo is empty.
Feb 01 17:43:55 <lardman_> there's a tarball
Feb 01 17:44:05 <lardman_> I need to work out how to create the svn repo
Feb 01 17:44:16 * lardman_ slightly embarrassed at that
Feb 01 17:44:28 <lardman_> tarball on the garage page that is
Feb 01 17:46:10 <Tak> it's super-easy - `cd sourcedir; make maintainer-clean; svn import https://garage.maemo.org/svn/projectname/trunk`
Feb 01 17:46:35 <lardman_> ok, so I should put everything in "trunk"
Feb 01 17:47:02 <pH5> ah, ok. I just started turning pcm2.o into C code.
Feb 01 17:47:03 <pH5> let's see whether we get the decoder working first, or sound output :)
Feb 01 17:50:26 <lardman_> pH5: well if you want to persue the pcm2.o code that would be fine, we can quite easily pass across pcm code to test it with
Feb 01 17:52:03 <lardman_> pcm data that should have read, am going mad
Feb 01 17:52:16 <pupnik> :/
Feb 01 17:52:18 <Tak> well, it's really up to you how you structure it - some people do: projectname/trunk/projectname , etc
Feb 01 17:52:45 <pH5> lardman_: yes, this way I force myself to get to know the dsp a bit better.
Feb 01 17:52:48 <lardman_> yeah, I was going to think about it, but really I should stick the code up, especially as I'm making changes again
Feb 01 17:54:09 <ssvb> lardman_: what does sizeof(char) return on DSP?
Feb 01 17:54:15 <pH5> I think just putting things directly under trunk is the easiest way for such a small project, unless the arm/gstreamer and dsp parts are supposed to live in separate tarballs
Feb 01 17:55:44 <lardman_> eventually the arm-side gstreamer stuff will need to be in a separate tarball
Feb 01 17:55:55 <pH5> hm. there is a DSP_CMD used in pcm2.o that is not yet in the old osso-dsp-headers-0.1. Is there a newer version available somewhere?
Feb 01 17:56:40 <lardman_> no, I think there were some missing bits
Feb 01 18:04:30 <ssvb> lardman_: well, I'll try to confirm the sizeof stuff myself when I get home, the idea is to try simulating the same environment on some kind on normal desktop PC (maybe big endian PPC) and reproduce the problem you have
Feb 01 18:05:41 <lardman_> ssvb: 1
Feb 01 18:06:16 <lardman_> sorry I missed your question earlier
Feb 01 18:07:34 <lardman_> ssvb: but sizeof(short)==1 as well, and short is 16bits
Feb 01 18:07:45 <lardman_> so is byte for that matter
Feb 01 18:08:34 <ssvb> lardman_: it does not matter, we could pretend that we just don't have char type at all (replace everything with typedefs)
Feb 01 18:08:55 <lardman_> it's annoying for bit reading code though
Feb 01 18:09:18 <lardman_> as you then need to extend the range of the masks, etc.
Feb 01 18:09:53 <lardman_> I don;t think it's a major problem to be honest, just a quick tweak should sort this bit out, and then another for the next. It's just time consuming
Feb 01 18:10:23 <ssvb> lardman_: I remember dealing with 4-bit graphics long time ago (half of char), that experience can be probably somewhat useful here
Feb 01 18:10:38 <lardman_> cool
Feb 01 18:10:58 <lardman_> let me see if I can track down where the problem is, if it's the bitreading code then the more eyes & ideas the better
Feb 01 18:11:03 <lardman_> :)
Feb 01 18:12:39 <ssvb> lardman_: it would be probably preferable to have the code which works more or less identical on various platforms (and breaks because of the same problems)
Feb 01 18:13:06 <lardman_> the majority of the code is unchanged, just these size specific sections
Feb 01 18:13:19 <lardman_> though in reality lots of it will need to be changed - optimised, for the DSP
Feb 01 18:14:10 <ssvb> lardman_: so changing 'char' -> 'short' (or better some typedef) and sizeof(x) to some kind of SIZEOF(x) macro which whould return 2 for 'char' might be useful, that's just an idea
Feb 01 18:15:20 <lardman_> yes, I can see the idea
Feb 01 18:15:20 <ssvb> lardman_: but string functions and all the stuff will still expect sizes in 16-bit chars, so don't know
Feb 01 18:15:44 <lardman_> perhaps not, they may expect two 8bit values in the char
Feb 01 18:16:06 <lardman_> I've not looked at how strings are stored on the dsp, I've not needed to
Feb 01 18:16:31 * Jaffa wonders if/when we'll see another OS2008 update
Feb 01 18:17:35 <pH5> lardman_: a char is a char on the dsp, so no packing two ascii chars into 16-bit.
Feb 01 18:18:45 <lardman_> pH5: fair enough, but if you pass data from the arm-side it will be packed
Feb 01 18:23:05 <lardman_> hmm, svn wasn't impressed with my first attempt to upload the source code
Feb 01 18:23:55 <lardman_> should I create a local repo as in the instructions?: http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.4/svn.tour.importing.html
Feb 01 18:24:51 <kulve> I think C spec says that sizeof(char) == 1, always.
Feb 01 18:25:25 <lardman_> yes indeed
Feb 01 18:25:50 <lardman_> but I can do: char a=0xffff
Feb 01 18:26:13 <kulve> sure
Feb 01 18:26:35 <kulve> sizeof(char) == 1 byte. The byte can be whatever, depending on the platform
Feb 01 18:26:42 <kulve> whatever in bits I mean
Feb 01 18:28:01 <|tbb|> re
Feb 01 18:28:20 <lardman_> kulve: exactly
Feb 01 18:28:43 <lardman_> so reading in x bytes reads in a variable amount of data depending on the platform
Feb 01 18:36:18 <lardman_> hmm, svn will have to wait until after the pub quiz
Feb 01 18:37:45 <Lateralus> How would I go about getting gdb to load symbols for the desktop process when debugging remotely? Normally I attach to a running process (the desktop process) and everything loads properly. Debugging remotely I use target remote host:port, and it connects but symbols for libs are not loaded.
Feb 01 18:39:02 <kulve> Lateralus: it might find them if you install the symbols to your SB target where you are running the gbd from.
Feb 01 18:39:10 <kulve> maemo-debus or something like that
Feb 01 18:39:51 <bipolar> Does anyone out there running kde on their tablet know if there is a way to simulate a right-click?
Feb 01 18:40:14 <kulve> Lateralus: have you checked this: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/maemo_debugging_guide.html
Feb 01 18:40:39 <Lateralus> kulve: I have them, and they load when I'm not debugging remotely
Feb 01 18:41:28 <Lateralus> wait wait, I bet I forgot to re-run the script in this target.
Feb 01 18:42:41 <Lateralus> kulve: You're thinking of debug-dep-install (maemo-debug-scripts)
Feb 01 18:44:44 <Lateralus> Nope, the debug packages are installed
Feb 01 18:59:18 <benno2> hi, trying the os 2008 maemo sdk on ubunty gutsy. seem to work fine but when I launch certain apps I get
Feb 01 18:59:38 <benno2> process 1467: D-Bus library appears to be incorrectly set up; failed to read machine uuid: Failed to open "/var/lib/dbus/machine-id": No such file or directory
Feb 01 18:59:38 <benno2> See the manual page for dbus-uuidgen to correct this issue.
Feb 01 19:21:09 <|tbb|> how can i run a scrip which is executed from root as user
Feb 01 19:22:10 <Lateralus> |tbb|: su user -c script
Feb 01 19:23:10 <rm_you> or add the script as a valid command in the sudoers file, and then you could do "sudo ./script"
Feb 01 19:26:03 <|tbb|> k again, the script is allready executed as root now inside the script i would run anything as user
Feb 01 19:36:02 <pupnik> anybody up for some dosbox version comparisons, speed and regression testing?
Feb 01 19:42:31 <ds3> pupnik: how does one give input to dosbox? the one installed from the repo doesn't seem to let me do much
Feb 01 19:43:08 <pupnik> ds3 on n810?
Feb 01 19:43:13 <ds3> no, N800
Feb 01 19:43:38 <pupnik> then you need to install xkbd http://pupnik.de/xkbd.html
Feb 01 19:44:02 <ds3> ah
Feb 01 19:44:29 <pupnik> there is a pocketpc port of dosbox with sdl keyboard if anyone is interested to work on that
Feb 01 19:44:31 <ds3> would a BT keyboard be usable then?
Feb 01 19:44:44 <pupnik> yes BT is wonderful with dosbox
Feb 01 19:44:51 <ds3> hmmm
Feb 01 19:45:06 <ds3> interest level in dosbox just went up from zero ;)
Feb 01 19:45:29 <ds3> would you happen to know if it emulates the HP200LX quirks (graphics and other little things)?
Feb 01 19:45:40 <pupnik> no
Feb 01 19:45:47 <fysa> is there a comparative MHz we can expect, in 80286/80386 terms?
Feb 01 19:46:11 <pupnik> i dunno but my latest build is screamin compared to my last ones
Feb 01 19:46:33 <ds3> it certainly seem like the N800 is really the convergence device (different meaning then the marketeers usage of it)
Feb 01 19:46:34 <pupnik> umm but that means still painful compared to 386 in general
Feb 01 19:47:34 <ds3> anyone making x48 or another HP48 emulator so work on the 800/810? saw screen shots but no binaries
Feb 01 19:47:44 <pupnik> i'm trying to fix the soundblaster emulation so it doesn't absolutely kill performance, and so far i got prince of persia with music up from 400 to 1300 cycles
Feb 01 19:48:36 <fysa> slick
Feb 01 19:48:52 <pupnik> yeah it's really playable except for the dpad woes
Feb 01 19:49:17 <pupnik> we need a frontend with per-game settings
Feb 01 19:50:26 <pupnik> on and framerate in wing commander and one-must-fall just about doubled in latest build
Feb 01 19:50:31 <pupnik> still too slow though
Feb 01 19:59:48 <fysa> never used dosbox before, can you call executables from the linux command-line?  i.e. "dosbox whatever.exe"
Feb 01 19:59:58 <pupnik> yep
Feb 01 20:00:45 <fysa> I think we need a 'games launcher' that lets you import profiles, where profiles contain an icon, a name, a launch command.
Feb 01 20:01:01 <fysa> and maybe a 'bundle' of some sort.
Feb 01 20:01:02 <pupnik> tak's xmaeme does that for multiple emulators
Feb 01 20:01:19 <fysa> yes, xmaeme does that fairly well for emulators -- but it's emulator-centric and not game-centric.
Feb 01 20:01:41 <fysa> I would want all games in a single list, "Wing Commander (dosbox)"
Feb 01 20:02:11 <pupnik> that's a nice idea for the xmaeme 'main page'
Feb 01 20:02:19 <fysa> then checkboxes with filters to enable/disable
Feb 01 20:02:50 <pupnik> no, each emulator has widely varying options
Feb 01 20:02:53 <fysa> so you can turn all dosbox games off/on.
Feb 01 20:03:03 <pupnik> ohh
Feb 01 20:03:03 <pupnik> ok
Feb 01 20:03:26 <fysa> xmaeme will run out of room for tabs soon ;)
Feb 01 20:03:46 <Tak> it only shows the tabs for things you have installed ;-)
Feb 01 20:04:23 <fysa> Tak..  is there a way you can have xmaeme only scan directories once on launch?  or is it something else that lags the rom-selection dropdown when I open it?
Feb 01 20:04:26 * pupnik goes to do more -uh- 'testing'
Feb 01 20:04:47 <Tak> it only scans on launch
Feb 01 20:05:04 <fysa> populating/rendering the list is slow?
Feb 01 20:05:34 <fysa> there's a delay of a few seconds, just long enough for me to question whether I hit it properly or not.
Feb 01 20:05:59 <fysa> and when I hit it again, it queues the click and immediately closes when it does pop up. :)
Feb 01 20:06:27 <Tak> they're populated at launch, too
Feb 01 20:06:34 <Tak> it must be the rendering
Feb 01 20:08:03 <Tak> there's zero xmaeme code that runs between the time it launches and the time you click "execute" or "browse" (or the fceu sound toggle)
Feb 01 20:09:19 <fysa> right.  it's a gtk issue.
Feb 01 20:11:38 <Tak> is this os2008?
Feb 01 20:12:39 <fysa> yes.  a couple hundred items in the list and it becomes slightly painful..  it would almost have to be a listview or something instead, which would force gtk to render it at launch.
Feb 01 20:13:02 <fysa> not that most people would have this problem anyway. ;)
Feb 01 20:15:51 <Tak> even a few hundred items /shouldn't/ be a problem
Feb 01 20:16:08 <Tak> because it theoretically only has to render a screenful at a time
Feb 01 20:17:07 * Tak ponders
Feb 01 20:19:02 <fysa> it's slow enough to feel like the list is being populated when I touch -- as if something is being created/copied around instead of being a pointer.
Feb 01 20:19:08 <fysa> I can take a quick video if you care to see it in action.
Feb 01 20:19:51 <Tak> hah, no, I believe you
Feb 01 20:29:51 <Jaffa> pupnik: I'll try it on the N810
Feb 01 20:30:38 <Tak> I wonder if gtk is internally doing something stupid like adding the items one by one and rerendering the combobox every time
Feb 01 20:33:21 <pupnik> http://pupnik.de/dosbox.zip  binary, chinook - compare to older versions
Feb 01 20:35:57 <benno2> hi, I am trying to compile vncviewer svn trunk under the chinook sdk, but I get this error:
Feb 01 20:36:14 <benno2>  http://pastebin.ca/888017
Feb 01 20:37:34 <keesj> benno2:  I think the dep names changes try a apt-cache search hildon | grep dev
Feb 01 20:38:09 <benno2> keesj: yes thanks I thought about the same but there are many packages listed
Feb 01 20:38:11 <keesj> and  edit the debian/control the change the dep names
Feb 01 20:43:39 <benno2> keesj: thanks, I changed the control file and now it starts compiling but it aborts during configure. do you think there is a package missing ? here is my output:
Feb 01 20:43:43 <benno2> http://pastebin.ca/888036
Feb 01 20:44:53 <Jaffa> pupnik: btw, any chance of getting dosbox to register itself and get a task icon (or is there a .desktop which works?)
Feb 01 20:48:45 <Blafasel> Hmm.. Tried to copy files from laptop to N810 today and couldn't make it work - not via bluetooth nor adhoc network. What's the voodoo here?
Feb 01 20:49:02 <pupnik> jaffa, this has one: http://pupnik.de/gregale/dosbox_0.72-0.1_armel.deb
Feb 01 20:49:14 <lcuk> which end were you copying from?    -   evening everyone btw
Feb 01 20:50:04 <Blafasel> The nokia bluetooth profiles only offered Pushing OBEX cards to the device or audio stuff, afaik.
Feb 01 20:50:25 <lcuk> Blafasel, were you using the file manager shared folders area, or were you trying to push from your desktop
Feb 01 20:50:29 <keesj> benno2: perhaps you van paste the full output  of the command ?
Feb 01 20:50:38 <Blafasel> lcuk: The latter
Feb 01 20:50:42 <lcuk> i have an adhox wifi network here and it works nicely
Feb 01 20:50:54 <lcuk> I do all my copying with scp
Feb 01 20:51:58 <lcuk> is laptop running linux?
Feb 01 20:52:27 <Jaffa> pupnik: ah right, been running it from the cmdline
Feb 01 20:52:43 <Blafasel> Nope. Company device, XP
Feb 01 20:53:25 <lcuk> have you managed to get files visible in explorer windows or are you running winscp?
Feb 01 20:53:34 <lcuk> (or similar)
Feb 01 20:53:35 <Tak> hmm, bluetooth copy from laptop => 770 Just Worked with XP
Feb 01 20:54:19 <Blafasel> lcuk: I couldn't create the ad-hoc network at all (might be caused by really strange ibm tools on the windows side - so no way to use winscp
Feb 01 20:54:33 <lcuk> i can bluetooth via my phone to 810, but from windows box  i cant get bluetooth doing much - i think the different stacks on windows are all just crappy
Feb 01 20:55:36 <Blafasel> And Bluetooth just couldn't find something like the obex filetransfer profile or something..
Feb 01 20:55:39 <Blafasel> Strange..
Feb 01 20:55:49 <lcuk> i had trouble with the original drivers i got with this wifi card, but i uninstalled them and used default windows ones and they went smoothly
Feb 01 20:56:09 <maddler> hi all
Feb 01 20:56:37 <Tak> I just had to right-click (from explorer) -> send to device -> Nokia 770
Feb 01 20:56:38 <pupnik> Jaffa you can start it from ssh as well
Feb 01 20:56:38 <lcuk> which bluetooth stack is on windows, is it default or have you got bluesoliel or similar
Feb 01 20:58:05 <Blafasel> Default one
Feb 01 20:58:26 <lcuk> have you got as far as pairing them
Feb 01 20:59:20 <Cptnodegard> um
Feb 01 20:59:21 <Cptnodegard> wtf
Feb 01 20:59:28 <Cptnodegard> all the text on my n800 suddenly got smaller
Feb 01 20:59:34 <Cptnodegard> how do i fix that? -.-
Feb 01 20:59:47 <Blafasel> lcuk: Aye
Feb 01 20:59:58 <Blafasel> Paired and trusted on both ends
Feb 01 21:00:27 <lcuk> can you send a file from 810 to laptop?
Feb 01 21:01:11 <lcuk> node - have you been playing with your themes
Feb 01 21:01:20 <Blafasel> No idea how, actually. Blame the stupid user in front of the device or the UI. ;)
Feb 01 21:02:59 <Blafasel> I would have expected to find something like the bluetooth browsing somewhere near the status icon.. Actually I just found the filemanager stuff after you mentioned the filemanager hint
Feb 01 21:03:13 <|tbb|> what is the diffrence when i reboot my device and init.d services started instead i start a service  via ssh as root user
Feb 01 21:03:17 <lcuk> blaf, just open up file explorer and open the bluetooth branch and follow it down - see whether you can see whats happening
Feb 01 21:04:02 <Blafasel> |tbb|: How did you start it? The parent id perhaps?
Feb 01 21:04:10 <Cptnodegard> lcuk - no, it was this when i got it out of standby... must be a setting somewhere as the icons in control panel is equally small
Feb 01 21:04:58 <lcuk> maybe it dreamt of upgrading to a 1024*768 screen whilst it slept
Feb 01 21:05:08 <Cptnodegard> lol
Feb 01 21:05:13 <Cptnodegard> reboot fixed it
Feb 01 21:05:31 <lcuk> musta just been a flag - was everything smaller or just the text?
Feb 01 21:05:33 <Cptnodegard> which is kinda sad as iliked it small
Feb 01 21:05:39 <Cptnodegard> just text
Feb 01 21:06:14 <lcuk> i cant read the tiny text on this device - i had to up the minimum web browser size to 18+
Feb 01 21:07:04 <Cptnodegard> i have not prodlem reading it, so the pixel density pwns for my use
Feb 01 21:07:39 <lcuk> i just love the fact i can read clear text without having to fuzz it up with antialiasing
Feb 01 21:08:00 <|tbb|> just curios
Feb 01 21:08:55 * lcuk waits for kids to be home and in bed then cracks open a beer
Feb 01 21:09:28 <|tbb|> after a reboot my daemon runs but not interact with desktop, if i run it after i ssh to it and restarting it as root it works
Feb 01 21:09:38 <Jaffa> in bed? that's patience
Feb 01 21:10:02 <Blafasel> Beer's right here ;)
Feb 01 21:10:30 <lcuk> i prefer to know they are safe.  if i start now and one doesnt come home i may have to go driving
Feb 01 21:10:49 <Blafasel> Which age?
Feb 01 21:10:57 <lcuk> 13 (going on 20)
Feb 01 21:11:47 * lcuk has already kicked youngest to bed
Feb 01 21:29:16 <smackpotato> whats with samba
Feb 01 21:29:33 <smackpotato> on the n810
Feb 01 21:39:57 <Blafasel> Dependencies are broken (wrong version of libsamba, I think)
Feb 01 22:07:03 <fysa> Cptnodegard: if you check the repo for alternate themes, you can find some that have smaller system text.  This affects menus and such.
Feb 01 22:07:14 <rm_you> Anyone here know much about fan bearings?
Feb 01 22:07:26 <rm_you> My options appear to be Sleeve Bearing, Ball Bearing, or Double Ball Bearing
Feb 01 22:07:50 <rm_you> the price differences seem to be very minor or even non-existant...
Feb 01 22:08:24 <Cptnodegard> fysa: ah, still doesnt explain why mine did it by itself, weird shit
Feb 01 22:08:29 <fysa> right
Feb 01 22:08:54 <Blafasel> Again probably just me failing to use the UI: How can I remove a network definition (the permanent entries in the connection dialog)?
Feb 01 22:09:18 <fysa> control panel I think.
Feb 01 22:09:22 <lcdd> rm_you: ball bearings tend to whine but generally last longer
Feb 01 22:09:22 <fysa> Connections (?)
Feb 01 22:09:51 <lcuk> control panel/connectivity area/connectivity -> connections button
Feb 01 22:10:02 <rm_you> lcdd: ok...
Feb 01 22:10:10 <rm_you> lcdd: i'm deciding which to put into my projector...
Feb 01 22:10:26 <rm_you> any idea what "double ball bearings" even means?
Feb 01 22:10:42 <rm_you> i thought a ball bearing already had.. well.. a lot of ball bearings
Feb 01 22:10:46 <lcuk> projector cooling fan?  choose based on cooling vs noise
Feb 01 22:10:53 <rm_you> does it mean theres like, two rings of them?
Feb 01 22:10:54 <lcuk> double = 2 sets
Feb 01 22:10:59 <rm_you> hrm
Feb 01 22:11:06 <rm_you> wouldnt that be bad from a point of failure standpoint?
Feb 01 22:11:13 <rm_you> more of them to go bad?
Feb 01 22:11:15 <lcuk> is this for cooling fan?
Feb 01 22:11:17 <rm_you> yes
Feb 01 22:11:32 <lcuk> 2 sets along shaft = more stable, less wobble
Feb 01 22:11:38 <rm_you> hrm
Feb 01 22:12:14 <rm_you> basically, i'm looking at http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010110573+1372726528 and trying to pick ones that won't suck >_>
Feb 01 22:12:22 <roue> hola
Feb 01 22:13:01 <lcuk> depends upon load, the different types arent usually that different - some are just noisier than others usually
Feb 01 22:14:00 <lcuk> but best for noise is slower/larger blades - the higher cfm fans are noisey buggers
Feb 01 22:14:42 <rm_you> yeah...
Feb 01 22:14:44 <lcuk> for the price of them just get a couple and find out for yourself, the one you dont use you will need at some point for a desktop pc
Feb 01 22:14:50 <rm_you> i think i'm gonna go with a couple of these: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835150053
Feb 01 22:14:57 <lcuk> do you need 2?
Feb 01 22:15:01 <rm_you> good batch discount as well
Feb 01 22:15:02 <lcdd> rm_you: http://www.silentpcreview.com/article63-page2.html
Feb 01 22:15:19 <rm_you> at least 2 for my projector... but a lot of my case fans are going out too, so i'll prolly buy like 6 at once
Feb 01 22:16:05 <lcuk> depending upon where you purchase some shops will let you into their test area and let you listen yourself
Feb 01 22:16:53 <lcuk> what is the cfm requirement for your projector
Feb 01 22:17:02 <rm_you> dunno
Feb 01 22:17:05 <rm_you> i didn't decide one :P
Feb 01 22:17:27 <lcuk> because i know if you run with lower cfm fan, it might sound quieter but the extra heat will cause bulb to burn out MUCH quicker
Feb 01 22:17:30 <rm_you> i built it out of 1/2 and 1/4 inch MDF and spare parts :P
Feb 01 22:17:37 <rm_you> and a nice 10.5" LCD
Feb 01 22:17:50 <lcuk> wicked!
Feb 01 22:17:54 <lcuk> OHP lens ;)
Feb 01 22:18:25 <rm_you> heh, i actually was looking... but i ended up just buying one of the lumenlab lenses because all the OHP ones i found were scratched or icky >_>
Feb 01 22:21:10 <fysa> nice, rm_you.
Feb 01 22:21:30 <lcuk> have you had first light yet - or still planning
Feb 01 22:21:35 <rm_you> still planning
Feb 01 22:21:36 <lcuk> ahhhh - not yet
Feb 01 22:21:37 <rm_you> well
Feb 01 22:21:44 <rm_you> done *planning*
Feb 01 22:21:46 <rm_you> box is built
Feb 01 22:21:53 <rm_you> parts are all here and in the box...
Feb 01 22:21:57 <rm_you> but not hooked up
Feb 01 22:21:57 <shackan> I wish ultrabright leds were powerful enough to light a projector
Feb 01 22:22:05 <rm_you> yeah :/
Feb 01 22:22:16 <rm_you> I went with a ceramic metal halide
Feb 01 22:22:25 <lcuk> how much a pop are they?
Feb 01 22:22:27 <fysa> they are, you just need 500 of them. ;)
Feb 01 22:22:31 <rm_you> like $35 >_>
Feb 01 22:22:39 <shackan> you didn't consider leds at all did you ?
Feb 01 22:22:43 <rm_you> i did actually
Feb 01 22:22:50 <rm_you> but they just arent bright enough
Feb 01 22:23:00 <lcuk> they are, but only for a small throw
Feb 01 22:23:03 <rm_you> there's a huge thread with the debate / research on them on the lumenlab forums
Feb 01 22:23:11 <rm_you> which i read most of
Feb 01 22:23:17 <shackan> rm_you: not even for a small wall?
Feb 01 22:23:18 <fysa> whatever you end up with, I *highly* suggest you consider a Da-Lite HighPower screen.
Feb 01 22:23:24 <rm_you> shackan: i don't have a small wall :P
Feb 01 22:23:31 <rm_you> fysa: linky?
Feb 01 22:23:37 <fysa> it gave another year of life to my last projector.
Feb 01 22:23:40 <rm_you> I have a *large* wall :P
Feb 01 22:24:03 <lcuk> projection friendly paint is better than a rolldown screen ;)
Feb 01 22:24:06 <rm_you> and it needs to be bright, because lighting conditions here are not ideal
Feb 01 22:24:15 <rm_you> lcuk: not if you don't own the walls >_>
Feb 01 22:24:17 <fysa> Unless it's the HP, lcuk. :)
Feb 01 22:24:25 <lcuk> lol
Feb 01 22:24:27 <fysa> It's a retroreflective screen -- like stop signs.
Feb 01 22:24:37 <fysa> The light is sent back to the source, so it's very good at rejecting ambient light.
Feb 01 22:24:50 <rm_you> fysa: screen was the last thing i was going to buy.... so i'm still looking around. linky for that one?
Feb 01 22:24:52 <fysa> The only caveat is the projector should be mounted as close as possible to eye level.
Feb 01 22:25:09 <lcuk> heh, like an old model lcd display
Feb 01 22:25:15 <fysa> you'd think..
Feb 01 22:25:19 <fysa> but not quite.
Feb 01 22:25:26 <fysa> it's 2.6 gain from the center position.
Feb 01 22:25:43 <fysa> and down to 0.8 - 1.0 at the very edges, so still watchable.
Feb 01 22:25:51 <fysa> The best part is that the brightness is uniform from where you sit.
Feb 01 22:25:54 <fysa> anyway..
Feb 01 22:25:56 <fysa> one sec.
Feb 01 22:25:58 <lcuk> rm, what res if the lcd
Feb 01 22:26:05 <lcuk> is^
Feb 01 22:26:15 <fysa> http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=773065
Feb 01 22:26:38 <rm_you> lcuk: 1280x800
Feb 01 22:26:43 <fysa> I've seen them used for $200ish..
Feb 01 22:27:00 <fysa> I just sold my 720p Sanyo Z2 and 106" High-Power (manual)
Feb 01 22:27:07 <rm_you> lcuk: and the controller board has VGA + DVI + SVideo + Coax + Component
Feb 01 22:27:17 <fysa> moving to 119" electric High-Power and the Panasonic AX200 soon..
Feb 01 22:27:36 <fysa> the screen is almost too bright, but that's a very nice problem to have with a projector.
Feb 01 22:28:17 <lcuk> just give out sunglasses
Feb 01 22:28:26 <rm_you> hrm
Feb 01 22:28:33 <rm_you> $20 for 6 of these fans including shipping
Feb 01 22:28:39 <rm_you> shipping is like half of the cost >_>
Feb 01 22:28:47 <lcuk> dont you have shops nearby
Feb 01 22:28:52 <rm_you> not that i know of
Feb 01 22:28:59 <rm_you> and not that would sell fans this cheap
Feb 01 22:29:09 <rm_you> also, i don't have access to a vehicle at the moment
Feb 01 22:29:12 <lcuk> im surrounded by them, ive got em near work, near home and in any other direction
Feb 01 22:29:21 <rm_you> lcuk: heh, i wish. where are you?
Feb 01 22:29:29 <lcuk> manchester england, yourself?
Feb 01 22:29:39 <rm_you> San Antonio, Texas >+>
Feb 01 22:29:47 <fysa> do you have an avsforum account, rm_yo?
Feb 01 22:29:51 <fysa> rm_you?
Feb 01 22:30:11 <rm_you> if i wanted to go find some farm equipment or sports gear, this would be my city >_>
Feb 01 22:30:14 <lcuk> heh :) think i had family over that way once upon a time
Feb 01 22:30:16 <rm_you> not so much for electronics
Feb 01 22:30:26 <rm_you> fysa: avsforum? i don't think so :/
Feb 01 22:30:31 <rm_you> lumenlab <_<
Feb 01 22:30:34 <rm_you> wait
Feb 01 22:30:42 <fysa> no prob.  one sec.
Feb 01 22:30:55 <rm_you> nope
Feb 01 22:31:26 <lcuk> rm, can you rig up a test with fans scavenged from computer
Feb 01 22:31:33 <rm_you> lcuk: yeah
Feb 01 22:31:35 <fysa> ionic breeze ;)
Feb 01 22:31:37 <rm_you> heh
Feb 01 22:31:41 <lcuk> or would your pooter overheat :P
Feb 01 22:31:55 <rm_you> i have 5 computers in this room i could strip fans from...
Feb 01 22:32:05 <rm_you> but they all need them fairly badly... it *is* Texas....
Feb 01 22:32:17 <lcuk> must be noisey in your room
Feb 01 22:32:22 <rm_you> also, many of them are dieing somewhat, thus why i need like 6 more
Feb 01 22:32:26 <rm_you> not too much
Feb 01 22:32:32 <lcuk> im considering moving everything downstairs
Feb 01 22:32:33 <rm_you> that or i'm used to it
Feb 01 22:32:50 <lcuk> it must sound like a space ship - constant hum
Feb 01 22:32:56 <lcuk> i remember when computers were almost silent
Feb 01 22:33:16 <lcuk> the only noise was the transformer hum
Feb 01 22:33:19 <rm_you> i've got a fileserver, my MythTV, two desktops, and... oh. right. well, my tabletpc, but i can't really strip fans out of that :P
Feb 01 22:33:47 <rm_you> and my n800 :P but no fans there, lol
Feb 01 22:35:27 <lcuk> with a reflector and a bundle of fibre you could get the brightest projector light for free (as long as its daytime ;) )
Feb 01 22:35:49 <rm_you> lol
Feb 01 22:36:13 <rm_you> run a lightpipe down through the ceiling from the roof :P
Feb 01 22:36:22 <rm_you> straight into the back of the projector ^_^
Feb 01 22:36:51 <|tbb|> where can i see the boot sequence after a device started
Feb 01 22:36:53 <lcuk> absolutely, you only have to keep the air cool for the lcd, no chance of burnout
Feb 01 22:39:06 <fysa> OK, here are comparison shots between a matte 1.0 gain screen and a 2.8 gain "HighPower" screen:
Feb 01 22:39:10 <fysa> http://fysa.net/hp2.jpg
Feb 01 22:39:11 <fysa> http://fysa.net/hp1.jpg
Feb 01 22:39:24 <fysa> same images compared, one is diagonal, the other has them 'striped' over eachother
Feb 01 22:40:19 <rm_you> i wish i could get rm_you.net >_>
Feb 01 22:40:46 <fysa> I get mail meant for the Florida Youth Soccer Association all the time. ;)
Feb 01 22:41:05 <rm_you> lol
Feb 01 22:41:13 <rm_you> errr
Feb 01 22:41:15 <fysa> stupid catch-all mail.
Feb 01 22:41:17 <rm_you> a) which is which
Feb 01 22:41:28 <rm_you> b) wtf why does the #1 have weird lines
Feb 01 22:41:44 <fysa> this is someone's tivo paused on a frame of Monsters.
Feb 01 22:41:55 <rm_you> and #2 has a big diagonal seperation
Feb 01 22:42:02 <fysa> it's a composition
Feb 01 22:42:08 <fysa> of two individual photos
Feb 01 22:42:17 <fysa> so you can see the difference in brightness..
Feb 01 22:42:23 <rm_you> err?
Feb 01 22:42:26 <rm_you> OH
Feb 01 22:42:28 <fysa> get it?
Feb 01 22:42:32 <fysa> they took a dark one (from the matte)
Feb 01 22:42:33 <rm_you> i didn't
Feb 01 22:42:35 <fysa> and a light one (from the HP screen)
Feb 01 22:42:38 <fysa> and photoshopped them together.
Feb 01 22:42:39 <rm_you> lol
Feb 01 22:42:44 <lcuk> i thought the wall was wonky
Feb 01 22:43:35 <fysa> that's pretty close to best-case, i.e., one of the 3-5 best seats in however large your room is.
Feb 01 22:43:45 <rm_you> hrm
Feb 01 22:43:48 <fysa> it's best for table/shelf mounted projectors
Feb 01 22:43:55 <rm_you> i do need it visible from all over... >_>
Feb 01 22:44:07 <rm_you> the projector will be sitting on a tablet at approx eye level tho
Feb 01 22:44:17 <fysa> here's the cool thing -- as you walk out of the main seating area, you will slowly lose gain
Feb 01 22:44:26 <fysa> so someone sitting off at a corner may only get 1.5 gain..
Feb 01 22:44:35 <fysa> but it's still better than matte 1.0
Feb 01 22:44:38 <rm_you> hrm
Feb 01 22:44:47 <rm_you> still waiting for you to link me to where i can buy one :P
Feb 01 22:44:48 <fysa> and they don't see a gradient
Feb 01 22:45:51 <rm_you> originally i was just planning on getting this one: https://secure.lumenlab.com/estore/product.php?productid=16166&cat=256&page=1
Feb 01 22:45:58 <rm_you> but it would probably be good to shop around
Feb 01 22:46:13 <fysa> This might seem like an odd place to get it..
Feb 01 22:46:25 <fysa> but they have very excellent prices and are a real distributor: http://pointofpower.com/Screens/index.htm
Feb 01 22:46:41 <rm_you> lol
Feb 01 22:47:03 <fysa> because of the reflectivity of the material, waves aren't very noticeable while the projector is on.
Feb 01 22:47:16 <fysa> the light is sent back to the source regardless of the angle of waves formed on the screen
Feb 01 22:47:44 <fysa> the "Model B" is fine for up to 106" or so
Feb 01 22:48:08 <fysa> which is that 52"x92"
Feb 01 22:48:29 <fysa> you can order it with custom drops/extra border on the top/bottom
Feb 01 22:48:44 <fysa> and I believe they can get you a sample.
Feb 01 22:49:30 <fysa> anyway..  I had mine for a couple of years and had it been the electric version, it would have outlasted many projectors to come ;)
Feb 01 22:49:42 <rm_you> heh
Feb 01 22:49:56 <rm_you> i may be starting off with a white bedsheet >_<
Feb 01 22:50:04 <rm_you> until i get money to buy a decent screen T_T
Feb 01 22:50:26 <rm_you> unless i go with something cheapish like the lumenlab one
Feb 01 22:50:29 <fysa> I had a DIY screen first -- polywall/laminate/waterproof wall paneling.  $8 a sheet.
Feb 01 22:50:37 <rm_you> heh
Feb 01 22:50:48 * lcuk is going out to a party dressed in a bedsheet tomorrow night
Feb 01 22:50:51 <fysa> built a frame, worked very well.
Feb 01 22:51:13 <fysa> bedsheet doesn't work so hot -- it lets a lot of light bleed through.  you can get blackout cloth for dirt cheap from a fabric store.
Feb 01 22:51:29 <fysa> that will give you an easy/cheap 1.0ish gain
Feb 01 22:52:20 <fysa> either way, you need a projector first :)
Feb 01 22:52:47 <fysa> http://picasaweb.google.com/jason.fisher/NerdStationZebra/photo#5054533748576116946
Feb 01 22:52:50 <fysa> that is the old setup..
Feb 01 22:53:02 <fysa> http://picasaweb.google.com/jason.fisher/NerdStationZebra/photo#5054533744281149634
Feb 01 22:53:40 <fysa> had mythtv switching between the CRT http://picasaweb.google.com/jason.fisher/NerdStationZebra/photo#5054536097923227970 and the projector http://picasaweb.google.com/jason.fisher/NerdStationZebra/photo#5054555975031873970 through the remote
Feb 01 22:56:03 <rm_you> hrm
Feb 01 22:57:07 <rm_you> yeah... my problem is my workspace... i need to use the engineering mechanics lab to work... which means I need to convinve my engineer friends to help :P
Feb 01 22:57:26 <rm_you> which means I never get anything done because they are busy 24/7 with... engineering :P
Feb 01 22:57:48 <rm_you> so it's been sitting in this nearly completed state for like a month
Feb 01 22:57:50 <rm_you> or two.
Feb 01 22:58:43 <lcuk> tell them they can watch superbowl if they help
Feb 01 22:59:02 <lcuk> or just bribe them with beer
Feb 01 22:59:22 <|tbb|> again, could anyone tell me if there is a log file of loading sequence and where to find
Feb 01 22:59:58 <lcuk> tbb, never seen a log and would be just as interested as you
Feb 01 23:00:36 <lcuk> actually, bit of a lie, when i first started i saw someone doing boot stats with a recompiled kernel
Feb 01 23:02:21 <sibbe> <- someone
Feb 01 23:02:24 <sibbe> http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/jvtmuukk/chinook/bootchart/bootchart-n800-os2008-008_bclng_50ms.png
Feb 01 23:03:30 <lcuk> :O yes it was
Feb 01 23:03:50 <lcuk> i was very impressed by what i saw.
Feb 01 23:05:10 <sibbe> i'm still too lazy to blog my maemo stuff..
Feb 01 23:12:11 <fysa> that's hot.
Feb 01 23:12:23 <fysa> I want to print that and keep it on my wall.
Feb 01 23:13:24 <|tbb|> and the optimize it ;)
Feb 01 23:14:31 <rm_you> wtf *IS* dsme?
Feb 01 23:25:15 <elb> haHA, jed on OS2008
Feb 01 23:28:37 <fernd> Hey, I am looking for a way to disable the onscreen keyboard.  I am trying to develop some data entry screens with special buttons that adjust the entry fields and the onscreen keyboard keeps getting in the way.  When you have 20 or more entry fields this can be annoying.
Feb 01 23:30:00 <elb> hmm I could get 80x25 if I could ditch the osso-xterm scrollbar
Feb 01 23:30:21 <fernd> Something like this might work... <Alt>k=!maemo-gtk-im-switch xim, but I read that maemo-gtk-im-switch isn't in OS 2008
Feb 01 23:30:59 <lcuk> if you have custom input why not use labels instead of textboxes
Feb 01 23:42:11 <thoughtfix> Good afternoon
Feb 01 23:44:36 <fernd> lcuk: So something like <label class="inputlabel" id="test">test</label> And then use CSS to draw a box around it and javascript to highlight the active label with an onclick event.... Yes, something like that might work... and I would never have to mess with the hilden input stuff....
Feb 01 23:45:47 <lcuk> i just use buttons to indicate i can click on something, but whatever flaots your boat
Feb 01 23:46:04 <lcuk> you can make your own button to look however you like
Feb 01 23:48:49 <fernd> lcuk:  What I was going to do was use text inputs and use buttons to increment the values in the inputs, but everytime you click on the inputs it pops up the keyboard.  I suppose I could use buttons or labels.... i doesn't really matter as long as I can pull the on click so I know what the last focus was..
Feb 01 23:49:58 <dphil9000_> can i create either an applet for the desktop or a menu item that executes a shell script?
Feb 01 23:50:20 <lcuk> you should be able to keep the text boxes if you require but lock them.  when locked no user input is accepted so no keyboard brought up...
Feb 01 23:50:38 <lcuk> dphil9000_, which language?
Feb 01 23:50:53 <dphil9000_> applet would be java, i assume.
Feb 01 23:51:07 <dphil9000_> are there any other kind?
Feb 01 23:51:11 <lcuk> assume different then, java isnt really used on maemo
Feb 01 23:51:26 <lcuk> try python or c
Feb 01 23:51:27 <lcuk> http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Writing_a_Plug-in_for_Maemo
Feb 01 23:51:36 <dphil9000_> ok, i can do python or c
Feb 01 23:52:03 <lcuk> thats not great, but it gives a starting point
Feb 01 23:52:33 <dphil9000_> i thought the word applet(tm) belonged to sun
Feb 01 23:52:58 <thoughtfix> Heh
Feb 01 23:53:25 <dphil9000_> oh man, all that gtk stuff.  how gnomish.
Feb 01 23:54:29 <dphil9000_> so i need a dev environment set up on my linux box to compile for armel?
Feb 01 23:55:22 <fernd> lcuk: hey thanks for the advice I think that will help...
Feb 01 23:55:46 <lcuk> np fernd
Feb 01 23:56:37 <dphil9000_> all this to create a link to a shell script
Feb 01 23:57:11 <lcuk> os2008 used to have an applet which did it
Feb 01 23:57:16 <lcuk> not sure if anyones recompiled it
Feb 01 23:57:25 <lcuk> i think it was the load-applet - someone else will confirm
Feb 01 23:57:30 <lcuk> os2007^
Feb 01 23:58:02 <dphil9000_> well, as a programmer, this is all very educational
Feb 02 00:00:58 <lcuk> dphil9000_, ive come from a windows environment and its been a mission to get everything in place.  so much to learn
Feb 02 00:01:41 <dphil9000_> hmm ... scratchbox on gentoo amd64 ...
Feb 02 00:02:00 <dphil9000_> this stuff is going to pull me back into debian
Feb 02 00:10:55 <a-l-p-h-a> is there lynx for maemo?
Feb 02 00:11:05 <a-l-p-h-a> os2007?
Feb 02 00:16:22 <dphil9000_> i'd be better off installing gcc on the n810
Feb 02 00:20:56 <fysa> python seems to be a usable solution for doing dev without scratchbox
Feb 02 00:21:33 <fysa> pymaemo
Feb 02 00:21:49 <dphil9000_> mkay
Feb 02 00:21:55 <dphil9000_> but i like c :)
Feb 02 00:22:11 <fysa> http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/documentation/pymaemo_tutorial/python_maemo_howto.html
Feb 02 00:22:30 <dphil9000_> maybe get into some of that qt4 c++ goodness
Feb 02 00:42:08 <ds3> battery drained :(
Feb 02 01:12:14 <fysa> hmm.
Feb 02 01:12:47 <fysa> I wonder if I can compile webkit from git://git.debian.org/git/pkg-webkit/webkit.git - WebKit Debian packaging, to use their control files.
Feb 02 01:31:14 <rlaager> Has anyone used the prelink utility on the Maemo platforms (or more specifically, the N810)?
Feb 02 01:41:26 <k-s[WORK]> canola2 uploaded to repository
Feb 02 01:41:36 <k-s[WORK]> should be available in some minutes :-)
Feb 02 01:45:05 <|tbb|> k-s[WORK]: does this means no more beta then?
Feb 02 01:46:20 <etrunko> hey
Feb 02 01:46:38 <etrunko> just uploaded new canola2 to extras
Feb 02 01:47:01 <etrunko> and it works on 770
Feb 02 01:47:09 <etrunko> please upgrade
Feb 02 01:48:20 <k-s[WORK]> |tbb|: it's still beta
Feb 02 01:49:58 <k-s[WORK]> bora is working already
Feb 02 01:50:11 <k-s[WORK]> chinook is pending server update, hope it happens soon
Feb 02 01:52:19 <etrunko> same for gregale
Feb 02 01:52:36 <etrunko> for 770 HACKER you must
Feb 02 01:52:44 <etrunko> 1) disable all repositories
Feb 02 01:53:36 <etrunko> 2) add deb http://repository.maemo.org gregale free non-free deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras gregale free non-free
Feb 02 01:53:44 <etrunko> update list
Feb 02 01:54:06 <etrunko> install canola
Feb 02 01:54:18 <etrunko> remove gregale repositories
Feb 02 01:54:22 <etrunko> and have fun
Feb 02 01:55:43 <etrunko> bye
Feb 02 02:11:45 <jga23> anybody able to pull contacts from a phone over bluetooth?
Feb 02 02:12:07 <jga23> via PBAP
Feb 02 02:12:23 <jga23> I was able to connect, but not sure what to do next
Feb 02 02:12:51 <GeneralAntilles> I just use vcards.
Feb 02 02:14:01 <jga23> directly from your phone?
Feb 02 02:15:03 <GeneralAntilles> Yes.
Feb 02 02:15:09 <GeneralAntilles> Or from the computer.
Feb 02 02:15:47 <jga23> is there any way to do bulk vcards? or do you have to import them one at a time?
Feb 02 02:16:05 <GeneralAntilles> Depends on the phone, I guess.
Feb 02 02:16:09 <GeneralAntilles> My computer does bulk.
Feb 02 02:16:13 <GeneralAntilles> Phone doesn't.
Feb 02 02:16:42 <jga23> and on the tablet?
Feb 02 02:18:08 <GeneralAntilles> I've only done to the tablet.
Feb 02 02:18:58 <jga23> do you have to import on the tablet one at a time?
Feb 02 02:20:23 <k-s[WORK]> canola2 beta2 should be now available for chinook
Feb 02 02:24:07 <GeneralAntilles> No, jga23, it'll import from a bulk vcard file.
Feb 02 02:24:38 <jott> if the bulk vcard file is <500kb :(
Feb 02 02:25:46 <jga23> thanks
Feb 02 02:25:56 <acydlord> i'm about to go gordon freeman with a crowbar on letstalk
Feb 02 02:40:08 <rlaager> disq: Are you the maintainer of the rdesktop package?
Feb 02 02:57:57 <disq> rlaager: yeah
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