**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Feb 03 02:59:56 2008 Feb 03 03:04:54 proteous, there was a really cool OS X app that let you use your iSight as a barcode scanner Feb 03 03:05:04 I remember reading about that Feb 03 03:05:29 http://sourceforge.net/projects/barcr-reader/ Feb 03 03:05:34 Wish i had bought an iSight before they got discontinued Feb 03 03:05:40 it'd be worth one pretty penny :) Feb 03 03:05:46 heh Feb 03 03:05:51 they were nifty lookin Feb 03 03:05:59 Bleh, i thought they were ugly Feb 03 03:06:10 :P Feb 03 03:06:33 Does anyone have a site they'd be interested in trading banner ads on? Feb 03 03:06:40 I know this is wayyyyyyyy OT Feb 03 03:06:43 ... Feb 03 03:06:43 so, don't attack me :P Feb 03 03:06:48 * proteous attacks Feb 03 03:07:06 I have two isights Feb 03 03:07:10 one is still in its box Feb 03 03:07:23 :P lucky Feb 03 03:12:27 eh, they're not really useful to me Feb 03 03:14:13 Sell em? Feb 03 03:18:01 build a "number 5" look-a-like? Feb 03 03:20:21 here is a power solution Feb 03 03:20:33 http://cgi.ebay.ca/Chinese-Military-Radio-Hand-Crank-Generator-Type-65_W0QQitemZ190194509781QQihZ009QQcategoryZ1502QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Feb 03 03:21:11 I liked the prototype OLPC's crank better... Feb 03 03:22:27 why didnt they include it Feb 03 03:22:35 I'm not turning anything up for bar code reading Feb 03 03:22:37 that's unfortunate Feb 03 03:22:49 so many *practical* maemo applications are just waiting to be written Feb 03 03:22:51 I need more time! Feb 03 03:22:51 ;-) Feb 03 03:24:00 the 2d bar codes can be grabed with a camera Feb 03 03:24:50 so can 3d Feb 03 03:24:59 ... just not on the nokia tablets (yet) Feb 03 03:25:26 err, no, 2d is what I meant Feb 03 03:25:32 I thought you meant linear Feb 03 03:25:48 linear and 2d barcodes can both be easily read by a camera of the resolution of the nokia tablet camera Feb 03 03:25:59 although the tablet camera's quality appears to be very poor, at least on my tablet Feb 03 03:26:03 there's a lot of noise on the image Feb 03 03:26:03 barcodes would look snowy tho Feb 03 03:26:28 ya iguess thefre more like squares than bars Feb 03 03:27:35 also n810 camera isnt situated well for practical use Feb 03 03:28:09 eh, just hold it above the code for a second Feb 03 03:28:15 you need to carry a mirror with u Feb 03 03:28:42 that would help keep my hair in check, but what about the barcodes? Feb 03 03:28:45 I'd like something where I could, e.g., take it to the grocery and scan an item, and it would say "you last bought this for $2.99" or whatever Feb 03 03:29:01 obviously that price I would have to enter at some point Feb 03 03:29:10 but there ar ea lot of things I buy often, for which this would be practical Feb 03 03:30:18 qr-codes (the 2D ones) are pretty neat...but not always helpful Feb 03 03:30:24 the unknown price is even ok, i think there are barcode lookup sites online which give product description when you get home and line it up with the receipt Feb 03 03:30:46 2d barcodes are pretty much useless for me Feb 03 03:30:47 hang on, do receipts now display the product code on them? Feb 03 03:30:53 nothing I do day-to-day uses them Feb 03 03:31:02 lcuk_2: many do, but as a number, not a code Feb 03 03:31:21 thats ok, whilst walking round scan items as you trolley them Feb 03 03:31:32 yeah Feb 03 03:31:32 when you get home scan the receipt as well Feb 03 03:31:41 and OCR it Feb 03 03:31:42 match up barcodes with prices and then next time it will know Feb 03 03:32:03 in my case, that'd be a lot more trouble than I needed Feb 03 03:32:05 it would be a nice feedback loop Feb 03 03:32:09 I'd be most interested in staples Feb 03 03:32:32 then scip the ocr at the end and just allow prices and descriptions to be entered per the scanned code Feb 03 03:32:37 which, for me, means eggs, bread, ice cream, sausage, and bacon ;-) Feb 03 03:33:29 that would be quite useful and interesting to monitor Feb 03 03:34:25 it might be better (and esier) to get a cuecat or use a different camera, 8x0 isnt really geared to the kind of swiping you would need Feb 03 03:34:36 but that's another device Feb 03 03:34:57 810 for instance, i wouldnt swipe heavy groceries near it for fear of damaging the screen Feb 03 03:34:58 the 810 camera is definitely suboptimal for this task, but should be *sufficient* Feb 03 03:34:59 * smackpotato trys a spoon Feb 03 03:35:16 oh, I'd swipe it over the groceries, not vice-versa Feb 03 03:35:21 as you said, as I pick them up Feb 03 03:35:29 i have a phone with a better camera in it already and its bluetooth Feb 03 03:35:45 i could sit the 810 on the little shopping list clip thing on the trolley Feb 03 03:35:47 still, though, you're waving around two devices Feb 03 03:35:57 bar codes can be read on *really* crappy cameras Feb 03 03:36:06 although the processing to make that happen might be beyond the FOSS libraries Feb 03 03:37:14 nahhh you aare underestimating the people around you Feb 03 03:37:27 oh, I'm not saying it can't be written Feb 03 03:37:31 but someone has to care enough to do so Feb 03 03:37:41 and my brief survey of the field suggests it ain't likely Feb 03 03:37:57 there's a pretty powerful 2d barcode library, but for linear barcodes there doesn't seem to be much Feb 03 03:39:13 doesn't gocr support barcode recognition? Feb 03 03:39:43 http://zebra.sourceforge.net/ Feb 03 03:39:51 Zebra is a small, layered EAN/UPC and Code 128 bar code scanning and decoding library implemented in C (C++ wrappers are also provided) Feb 03 03:39:56 yeah, but read the comments Feb 03 03:40:02 it says it probably doesn't work well for noisy images Feb 03 03:40:11 (re: Zebra) Feb 03 03:40:32 I only did a cursory exploration, but I ran across zebra and libdmtx as the most likely candidates Feb 03 03:40:47 it would be interesting if we could increase the integration time of the ccd sensor :) Feb 03 03:41:45 but i doubt the omap would allow us to control this kernel wise :/ Feb 03 03:42:19 it's probably hardware defined Feb 03 03:42:30 or non-replaceable firmware defined, as the case typically is Feb 03 03:42:37 wouldnt that oversaturate the images Feb 03 03:42:41 since nothing is in hardware any more ;-) Feb 03 03:49:41 elb: have you actually tried the zebra implementation with some n8x0 images? Feb 03 03:51:41 jott: I haven't Feb 03 03:52:07 trying it and dmtx are now on my TODO Feb 03 03:52:12 but ... it's a long list ;-) Feb 03 03:52:29 hehe sure ;) Feb 03 03:52:32 my 810 takes *really*, *really* noisy images, with poor color contrast and registration Feb 03 03:52:35 so I'm suspicious Feb 03 03:52:44 looks like dmtx would be able to handle it, based on his documentation Feb 03 03:52:57 but since 2d barcodes are used basically nowhere useful ... ;-) Feb 03 03:56:07 * lcuk_2 holds his breath and sees whether he can actually compile this zebra Feb 03 03:57:09 damn wrong icon ... :| Feb 03 03:57:11 elb, they're all over the place here Feb 03 03:57:27 they mostly have URLs encoded in them Feb 03 03:57:35 where is "here"? Feb 03 03:57:43 I never see them, to speak of, in the midwestern US Feb 03 03:57:55 just on packages and mail, basically, and some electronic devices on the FCC/etc. tag Feb 03 03:58:09 Japan :D Feb 03 03:58:23 ahh, yeah Feb 03 03:58:37 they do the phone click thing, right? Feb 03 03:58:52 where you "click" their URL by snapping a shot of the barcode on your mobile phone? Feb 03 03:58:56 even phones that come "free" with a contract have a cam that can read qr-codes Feb 03 03:58:58 yeah Feb 03 03:59:07 yeah Feb 03 03:59:14 I think I bought the last Japanese phone that didn't have a camera ;-) Feb 03 03:59:22 in 2001 Feb 03 03:59:34 ;-) Feb 03 03:59:38 last years lineup included AGPS Feb 03 04:00:55 gps was available in 2001 Feb 03 04:01:10 or does agps mean something other than network-assisted gps? Feb 03 04:01:14 in modern terms Feb 03 04:01:33 that's what it is Feb 03 04:01:38 but now it's in *every* phone Feb 03 04:02:01 the time to get a fix is ~15-30 seconds at worst Feb 03 04:02:40 yeah, nice Feb 03 04:03:58 * elb looks to see if he can find a 2d barcode Feb 03 04:04:20 I thought slashdot or someplace had them up for a while Feb 03 04:05:46 oh, I can easily find an image of one Feb 03 04:05:54 I'm looking for one to take with the 810 camera Feb 03 04:06:36 an image should work fine ... Feb 03 04:09:50 if I printed it, I guess Feb 03 04:10:07 taking a picture of a lit display is very different from taking a picture of a white reflective surface ;-) Feb 03 04:10:07 it should work fine on the screen Feb 03 04:10:13 my cell phone has no problem with it... Feb 03 04:10:24 no, it's probably *easier* Feb 03 04:11:23 the n810 seems to be generally light-starved Feb 03 04:12:13 elb: print it ;) Feb 03 04:13:01 bah Feb 03 04:13:04 I should be able to find one ;-) Feb 03 04:13:17 I just found a fedex package, but it's the wrong style of 2d barcode Feb 03 04:15:33 haHA, USPS to the rescue! Feb 03 04:16:33 anyways, need to head out Feb 03 04:16:41 * johnx is afk ... far afk Feb 03 04:17:31 * b0unc3 night Feb 03 04:20:26 yeah, no love wit hthe postage code Feb 03 04:53:59 hah zebra actually did a fair job when I thresholded the image to B&W Feb 03 05:43:58 hey, is there a way to queue songs in canola? Feb 03 05:44:09 or to create your own playlist Feb 03 06:22:20 http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/other/display/samsung-sm940ux.html Feb 03 06:22:25 anyone seen this? Feb 03 06:41:57 where is libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1) 's offline files? Feb 03 06:42:26 i am trying to install a openssh on n800 Feb 03 06:48:22 interesting device Luria Feb 03 06:50:28 K-Fox, you should already have that lib installed Feb 03 06:51:11 esp for the nokia Feb 03 06:52:07 anybody want to fix up pixel doubling on another new game? Feb 03 07:20:00 I've got an updates in OS2008 of maps, but I can't upgrade it Feb 03 07:20:46 does it give a warning about being untrusted or something? Feb 03 07:21:43 I've got an update for map which triggers a repo mismatch and won't apply Feb 03 07:21:45 insmod /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/g_ether.ko Feb 03 07:21:51 I ended up ignoring it. Feb 03 07:22:40 this command did excute on xterm , an erroe message is "-sh: ./insmod: not found Feb 03 07:22:45 why? Feb 03 07:22:58 because insmod probably isn't in your current directory Feb 03 07:23:05 huh Feb 03 07:23:12 so you shouldn't be telling it './insmod' Feb 03 07:23:23 i did upgrade os2008 on n800 Feb 03 07:23:51 not existing by default? Feb 03 07:25:05 it is difficult to connect the " Setting up USB Networking Feb 03 07:38:49 http://pupnik.de/tyrian21_maemo.tgz Feb 03 07:39:01 A fun shoot-em-up Feb 03 07:39:16 very elegantly written too (lots of sprites) Feb 03 08:12:03 what is root password by default (os 2008) Feb 03 08:13:18 non Feb 03 08:13:22 none, passwd -l Feb 03 08:14:26 it's passwd? Feb 03 08:14:51 no, there is no password Feb 03 08:15:11 passwd -l disables password login to an account Feb 03 08:19:27 Enable RDmode if you want to break your device <--- this message is " root permission "? Feb 03 08:20:51 wow it's difficult Feb 03 09:00:16 /join #tyrian Feb 03 09:04:37 what's tyrian Feb 03 09:04:55 nm Feb 03 09:04:58 thanks google Feb 03 09:05:34 acording to the box cover, tyrian is: "INTENSE SERIOUS FUN!" Feb 03 09:08:12 http://pupnik.de/tyrianN810.jpg Feb 03 09:08:21 http://pupnik.de/Tyrian_on_N810_demo.avi Feb 03 09:10:44 wow Feb 03 09:36:39 it does a memcpy to screen update Feb 03 09:43:21 nice work pupnik_ Feb 03 10:11:12 damn this might be the fastest SDL game i've compiled for this thing Feb 03 10:11:37 it's hardly slower using software scaling at 640x400 Feb 03 10:13:34 heh Feb 03 10:16:00 Anyone know if there's a package for the console program 'remind' floating around anywhere? I've tried searching for it, but 'remind' doesn't make for a great search term. :( Feb 03 10:16:06 (770 - OS 2007 HE) Feb 03 10:16:59 did you check gronmayer? Feb 03 10:17:24 Oh, no. Thanks. :) Feb 03 10:17:48 That actually completely reminds me; I disabled all my repos to install Canola earlier. So I might've already even had the right repo. >.< Feb 03 10:18:42 Although it appears not to be there. :( Feb 03 10:19:13 I wish we could have maemo extras as the *one* repo that people put their stuff in Feb 03 10:19:26 (or another one, but only *one*) Feb 03 10:19:44 Very weird. I found a PDF that looked like an assignment to build a Maemo frontend to remind, supposedly without depending on the remind package, so there must be one *somewhere*. Feb 03 10:20:12 well. command-line stuff should be very easy to port. Feb 03 10:20:41 Hey: anybody using mouse on maemo? Feb 03 10:20:43 Yeah, but my two attempts at setting up a scratchbox have both failed spectacularly. Feb 03 10:24:17 If anyone is interested in getting mice to work on maemo, lemme know. Feb 03 10:25:13 hi konttori i love nuvo-black theme Feb 03 10:25:23 did you see my comments on the problems i had with it Feb 03 10:26:08 GreySim: http://www.roaringpenguin.com/products/remind Feb 03 10:26:08 umm... nope Feb 03 10:26:32 I didn' know it worked on os 2008 Feb 03 10:26:33 pupinik: this message is out " -sh: insmod: not found " Feb 03 10:26:47 on n800 Feb 03 10:26:51 I have a version that works pretty well though. Feb 03 10:27:44 melmoth: Thanks, but I lack the ability to get that working on Maemo (I think; I'll take a quick look, but since I know using gcc is involved, I'm fairly sure it's beyond me at the moment). Feb 03 10:28:43 where is the insmod package? Feb 03 10:29:15 punik_: Lemme know of the issues you had Feb 03 10:31:11 k-fox, insmod should be part of busybox Feb 03 10:40:09 konttori: remnant of older theme: bright bar between started application icons Feb 03 10:40:27 remnant of older theme, bright bar under status bar Feb 03 10:40:31 i make pictures tonight Feb 03 10:40:59 most beautiful theme ever though :) imo Feb 03 10:41:08 Ah, the package of remind I saw reference to was one that was created as part of an exercise in some class of some kind. *sigh* Feb 03 10:41:26 http://www.mit.jyu.fi/mweber/teaching/TIES425/exercises/ (In case anyone is curious.) Feb 03 10:41:34 http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2006/nuvoblack more comments konttori Feb 03 10:53:57 pupnik_: ever tried that jagged alliance 2? i think it would be a killer game for the tablet Feb 03 10:56:56 yeah i bought JA2 used just recently Feb 03 10:57:05 no didn't try it yet Feb 03 11:04:56 i have the original for linux too Feb 03 11:05:15 never really played it, but finished first and it's expansions Feb 03 11:05:29 Morning Feb 03 11:06:01 GPE PIM is not on repository of OS2008 Feb 03 11:06:17 an idea when it comes ? Feb 03 11:07:38 Wow. Canola2 Beta 2 looks even better.. Feb 03 11:11:06 * pupnik_ ponder how to make tyrian run faster Feb 03 11:24:06 anybody wanna help fix pixel-doubled tyrian? :) Feb 03 11:24:39 real close now! :D Feb 03 11:29:57 pupnik_: where are the dosbox sources? the dosbox garage.maemo.org project is empty. Feb 03 11:31:51 lardman|away: I don't understand the asm code, but now I have something that creates and deletes a stream with SIO_create/SIO_delete. Feb 03 11:31:51 dpkg -i openssh_4.6pl-5.maemo3_all.deb <--- this message is out " dpkg: requested operation required supersuer privilege " Feb 03 11:31:55 now comes the complicated part, synchronization and data transfer Feb 03 11:31:55 why? Feb 03 11:33:23 i did works ready it " sudo gainroot " Feb 03 11:36:11 pH5: http://pupnik.de/dosbox_cvs_08_01_27.tgz Feb 03 11:36:48 K-Fox: does 'whoami' say you are root? Feb 03 11:37:09 pupnik_: thanks. Feb 03 11:37:14 pupnik_: why don't you take over the garage project? Feb 03 11:37:30 because it's for collaborative work, imo Feb 03 11:37:54 hi all Feb 03 11:38:07 anyone is aware of a good upnp client for linux? Feb 03 11:41:41 has anyone else got any problems with the browser not starting up? Feb 03 11:42:03 on what device? Feb 03 11:44:16 n810 Feb 03 11:44:26 with latest OS2008 Feb 03 11:44:30 ah, sorry, only have a 770 Feb 03 11:44:57 oh ok Feb 03 11:47:12 pupnik_: ok, so you're the only one hacking on dosbox until now? Feb 03 11:47:35 i think so, not sure Feb 03 11:48:22 ok reboot helped out Feb 03 11:48:37 we could use a faster final blit, improvements in the sound speed Feb 03 11:49:03 i have n800, after upgrading os2008 and trying to set usb networking Feb 03 11:49:05 also they have a framework that allows for easy dynamic recompilation, so a dynamic recompiler for X86 to ARM is possible Feb 03 11:49:11 http://maemo.org/community/wiki/usbnetworkingwinxp <---- this is right? Feb 03 11:49:34 it's so difficult Feb 03 11:55:35 please tell me how to set usb networking n800<---> winxp Feb 03 11:55:47 my os is maemo 2008 Feb 03 11:57:07 searching for 5 an hour Feb 03 11:57:16 how far did you get on the guide you just linked? Feb 03 11:57:40 http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/setting_up_usb_networking.html#settingup Feb 03 11:57:44 http://maemo.org/community/wiki/usbnetworkingwinxp <---- this is right? Feb 03 11:58:11 through google,maemo forum Feb 03 11:58:17 good morning Feb 03 11:58:30 mornin' b0unc3 Feb 03 11:59:06 K-Fox, the windows xp guide is for OS2006 and the guide for maemo 4 (aka ITOS2008) is for if your desktop computer runs Linux Feb 03 12:01:54 is it possible to connect usbnetworking (n800 <---> winxp)? Feb 03 12:02:02 yes, I think so Feb 03 12:02:10 how? Feb 03 12:02:26 please tell me some link Feb 03 12:02:28 I don't really know...I don't even own a machine running windows Feb 03 12:03:03 huh Feb 03 12:03:34 are you running the linux desktop? Feb 03 12:04:14 yes Feb 03 12:04:22 * n0ob_ too Feb 03 12:04:49 K-Fox, What part are you stuck on? Feb 03 12:06:11 johnx: your debian works if used in chroot but haven't managed to boot it yet, boot mmc always fails, can i keep it bootloader problem cause chroot /media/mmc /bin/sh works? Feb 03 12:06:48 hahlo, can you boot OS2008 from mmc card? Feb 03 12:06:51 web browser on n800 Feb 03 12:07:00 etc... Feb 03 12:07:35 johnx: i think so that once i did that Feb 03 12:07:36 portble IT based linux Feb 03 12:07:52 K-Fox, I don't understand. What *step* are you having a problem with? Feb 03 12:10:13 i need a correct link " n800 <---> winxp ,setting up usp networking " Feb 03 12:10:30 K-Fox, the links you already posted are the only ones I know of Feb 03 12:10:54 aha Feb 03 12:11:00 ok Feb 03 12:11:21 http://maemo.org/community/wiki/usbnetworkingwinxp <--- this? Feb 03 12:11:42 K-Fox, maybe searching for "usb networking" on internettablettalk.com/forums will help Feb 03 12:11:47 johnx: is there any howto how exactly do with boot loader and partitions with os2008? Feb 03 12:12:03 ok Feb 03 12:12:13 hahlo, the guide for OS2007 mostly applies Feb 03 12:12:32 this is not quite correct i notice http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_Boot_From_MMC_card Feb 03 12:12:44 i am from asian Feb 03 12:13:50 hahlo, also, even if it doesn't drop you into a GUI it should bring up usb networking. so if you can plug it into a Linux desktop you should be able to at least ssh in Feb 03 12:14:35 ok i try that Feb 03 12:16:43 hello Feb 03 12:16:53 how do I connect to an unannounced AP? Feb 03 12:17:23 * michele is fighting with fon and power save mode... Feb 03 12:18:28 I manually added the network and essid, checked "network is hidden", but it doesn't show up anywhere Feb 03 12:20:48 pH5: is there anything you want to add to this TODO list for dosbox? anything that's interesting to you? http://pupnik.de/dosbox_todo.txt Feb 03 12:22:47 brb Feb 03 12:24:57 pupnik_: not yet ;) Feb 03 12:25:03 this sounds already like a lot of work Feb 03 12:28:34 * lcuk_2 faught with darth vader last night whilst catwoman and tinkerbell stood watching (and lots of others) Feb 03 12:29:11 ok... Feb 03 12:30:17 well all myt jedi training this week paid off. now hopefully i can put my talents to use with linux, but seems a bit more indepth than building a light sabre Feb 03 12:30:33 (was a facy dress party and it was gr8) Feb 03 12:30:47 ENable... Feb 03 12:30:50 sigh.. anybody using networks with hidden ssid? Feb 03 12:30:55 * GeneralAntilles shoots a blaster at lcuk_2. Feb 03 12:31:16 no, I just name my network SSID INFLUENZA Feb 03 12:31:17 * lcuk_2 ducks and uses the force to lift GeneralAntilles's cat into the air Feb 03 12:31:19 that keeps the rabble out Feb 03 12:31:56 set your SSID to NBC_DATELINE and noone will use it Feb 03 12:32:00 lol Feb 03 12:32:11 argh, rapidshare is SO annoying Feb 03 12:32:22 not with multiple proxies its not Feb 03 12:32:29 ehm.. I'm sorry I don't get the joke.. Feb 03 12:32:39 hmm, but that's missions to set up... Feb 03 12:33:05 michele, dateline is an american program where they lure online stalkers to be arrested Feb 03 12:33:22 Haha Feb 03 12:33:23 oh.. Feb 03 12:33:37 I moved a SATA drive from one computer to another to transfer some files and the computer ran checkdisk on it at boot and made the drive corupted, then I rebooted and windows ran checkdisk on the drive again and corrected the messup it made but my windows OS directory is gone.... Feb 03 12:33:41 Talk about journalism at its worst. . .. Feb 03 12:33:51 ouch Feb 03 12:34:12 windows removed itself it seems Feb 03 12:34:21 as long as I have my files it's not too bad Feb 03 12:34:30 windows can be reinstalled Feb 03 12:34:35 your copy of windows auto-darwinated? Feb 03 12:34:35 very strange though Feb 03 12:34:41 hehe, yeah Feb 03 12:34:48 darwinateed? Feb 03 12:34:54 maybe it saw the competition from your tablet... Feb 03 12:34:58 windows DID fix itself though, it removed the infection. any chance it left a ubuntu folder in its place Feb 03 12:35:08 lol, if only Feb 03 12:35:14 darwin, created of the theory of natural selection, that the most fit creatures survive... Feb 03 12:35:34 if that was the case we would still be using Amigas Feb 03 12:35:45 and BeOS Feb 03 12:35:46 :P Feb 03 12:36:03 I guess it depends on how you define "fit" Feb 03 12:36:05 lcuk_2, I like my protected memory, thanks very much :P Feb 03 12:36:12 fit = NextStep :) Feb 03 12:36:25 i like poking random bytes Feb 03 12:36:26 if "fit" takes into account the amount of money the creating company has then windows is pretty fit Feb 03 12:36:53 Haha . . . I was picturing Windows turning itself into Darwin. <_< Feb 03 12:36:59 heh Feb 03 12:37:11 well, they'll have $50bn less if their purchase of Yahoo goes through... Feb 03 12:37:28 doubtfull Feb 03 12:37:56 if it does happen though, I wonder how many yahoo people will quit Feb 03 12:38:03 damn you peer!!! Feb 03 12:38:27 Peer is such an ass. Feb 03 12:38:37 peer doth givith, and peer doth taketh away Feb 03 12:39:14 there was a nice article in the onion a long time ago about the arrest of the notorious IRC hacker peer Feb 03 12:39:22 named peer that is Feb 03 12:39:35 can't seem to find it though Feb 03 12:39:50 pupnik_: you there? Feb 03 12:40:24 The Onion expires their old editions after a while, don't they? Feb 03 12:40:47 maybe it wasn't the onion Feb 03 12:41:08 hmm Feb 03 12:41:25 how do I paste into putty without a mouse Feb 03 12:41:32 Sounds a little esoteric for their normal fair. Feb 03 12:42:37 peerke.net/peerarrest/IRCNews_com%20Issue%203.htm Feb 03 12:42:53 had to type that out :P Feb 03 12:43:33 Then I obviously have to click it. :P Feb 03 12:43:47 :P Feb 03 12:44:46 proteous: shift+insert Feb 03 12:44:59 http://peerke.net/peerarrest/IRCNews_com%20-%20Issue%203.htm Feb 03 12:45:04 hehe, thanks :) Feb 03 12:47:24 np :) Feb 03 12:48:45 wow, Jade Raymond (game producer) is very competent http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aaMPXDXrK4 Feb 03 12:49:32 competent = hot Feb 03 12:54:49 lol Feb 03 12:58:23 pupnik_: http://nakkiboso.com/ja2.png Feb 03 12:59:53 looks nice Feb 03 13:00:15 seems to run perfectly Feb 03 13:00:19 solmumaha: is that straciatella? Feb 03 13:00:23 and speed is great too Feb 03 13:00:26 yes Feb 03 13:01:36 solmumaha: very nice :) how are the loading times? Feb 03 13:01:51 feels just like on desktop Feb 03 13:01:55 very fast Feb 03 13:01:57 imo Feb 03 13:02:04 hi all Feb 03 13:02:19 how much data space is required solmumaha ? Feb 03 13:02:30 quite a lot :) Feb 03 13:02:33 * pH5 needs to buy an 8gb microsd now. Feb 03 13:02:35 let's see Feb 03 13:03:09 i hope straciatella also has a gamma function Feb 03 13:03:33 881 mb at the moment, but i left out few files from the game disk Feb 03 13:03:39 so around 1 gb i belive Feb 03 13:03:51 it's not that dark, it started to dim the screen at that point Feb 03 13:03:58 pH5, hi, are you THE pH5 of xda-developers? Feb 03 13:05:14 Alendit: yes Feb 03 13:05:15 * pH5 doesn't have to remember more than three letters of nickname. Feb 03 13:05:44 I <3 tab completion Feb 03 13:09:50 how does one copy paste in xchat? i'm using the skyhusker chinook build Feb 03 13:10:16 right click deselects tthe text Feb 03 13:11:35 Have you tried pasting something? In the win32 build once you highlight something it automatically goes to the clipboard :\ Feb 03 13:12:24 ah nice :) Feb 03 13:12:36 (not) >:( Feb 03 13:13:16 * sp3000 waves the thanks for confusing selection and clipboard for awesome amounts of people flag at xchat Feb 03 13:13:46 ... Feb 03 13:14:34 or, more interestingly, using a rather unprecedented gesture to clobber clipboard Feb 03 13:14:50 heh Feb 03 13:14:56 * sp3000 just enjoys being annoyed at xchat :) Feb 03 13:15:12 irssi > xchat Feb 03 13:15:15 sp3000, so you xchat or something else? Feb 03 13:15:50 on the tablet? I mostly ssh+screen to an irssi elsewhere Feb 03 13:16:08 so I'm not the only one who is l337 Feb 03 13:16:18 * proteous doesn't feel so special Feb 03 13:16:45 though I xchat+ssh to irssiproxy if I happen to want to irc more on the tablet Feb 03 13:17:32 irssi + bitlbee.org Feb 03 13:18:08 so what is the :latesed: Hacker edition release for the 770? Feb 03 13:18:18 2007 Feb 03 13:18:37 michele: any news on evince? Feb 03 13:19:26 Debian or Ubuntu, what's the best bet? I've lost patience with Mandrake/iva Feb 03 13:19:38 "yes" Feb 03 13:20:00 I like debian, although I haven't tried Ubuntu Feb 03 13:20:03 evince is fast to read a data? Feb 03 13:20:07 LoCusF: what kind of news? There are a couple bugs left, but it's good Feb 03 13:20:32 lardman: if you are coming from mandrake, go for ubuntu Feb 03 13:20:39 michele: about the text selection Feb 03 13:20:40 ? Feb 03 13:20:41 than PDF reader? Feb 03 13:20:56 LoCusF: oh, no, nothing sorry Feb 03 13:21:02 ok Feb 03 13:21:05 michele, proteous: both similarly up-to-date? Feb 03 13:21:25 evince is fast to read a data than PDF reader ? Feb 03 13:21:26 K-Fox: yes, I think it is a bit faster, but uses more memory Feb 03 13:21:38 I only use debian for non gui stuff Feb 03 13:21:42 it's good Feb 03 13:21:50 I hear Ubuntu has a nice gui Feb 03 13:21:51 hmm, anyone know if i can get squashfs for maemo somewhere? or should i compile it by myself? Feb 03 13:21:52 proteous: ah, ok Feb 03 13:22:01 lardman: debian sid (the development version) is more up to date than ubuntu release Feb 03 13:22:10 nice GUI would be nice on occasion Feb 03 13:22:29 michele: not for all packages though Feb 03 13:22:33 debian sid is also more broken than ubuntu most of the time... Feb 03 13:22:45 ok, that's the more important point Feb 03 13:22:47 true Feb 03 13:22:53 since ubuntu syncs with gnome rels and debian kinda follows whenever Feb 03 13:22:54 debian for servers and older machines, ubuntu for newer desktops Feb 03 13:23:10 ubuntu server is fine for servers too Feb 03 13:23:20 apt-get 4ever Feb 03 13:23:24 aptitude Feb 03 13:23:36 I prefer Debian's default software choices for servers... Feb 03 13:23:41 open/free/netbsd \o/ Feb 03 13:23:46 lol Feb 03 13:24:06 \o\ |o| /o/ Feb 03 13:24:10 \o/ Feb 03 13:24:12 Frankly in terms of security/stability I tend to just *trust* the debian guys more than the ubuntu guys...They have the history after all Feb 03 13:24:13 has someone installed a netbsd on n800? Feb 03 13:24:30 I don't know Feb 03 13:24:35 people run openbsd on the zaurus Feb 03 13:24:37 I didn't, I know that Feb 03 13:24:48 ok, next question, what's the best bet for migrating? It appear that my home partition also contains other directories (probably because it's on a huge disk) Feb 03 13:25:27 rm -rf / Feb 03 13:25:47 I always mv my home directory out of the way and then copy over what I want. I usually leave all my dotfiles behind and consider it a chance to start over... Feb 03 13:25:47 johnx, but probably debian testing is as stable as ubuntu. I suggest ubunutu however if you are not experienced. Feb 03 13:26:00 squashfs? any ideas on that? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Mokopedia needs it, and it would be freaking cool to have it on my nokia Feb 03 13:26:27 johnx: ok, I'll see how large a tar file I can create :) Feb 03 13:26:43 so, no hints for my hidden ssid problem? Feb 03 13:27:06 anybody connecting to hidden networks? Feb 03 13:27:31 I have Feb 03 13:27:52 great, it seems I can't Feb 03 13:27:57 to one Feb 03 13:28:07 lardman, hmm? just leave everything on /home alone, except mv your /home/lardman to /home/lardman.bak before installing ubuntu/debian Feb 03 13:28:10 I created the connection, set it as hidden, but it doesn't show up Feb 03 13:28:36 can you make it temporarily (or permanently) not hidden, to check if that's the problem? Feb 03 13:28:57 yes, it's working from my laptop Feb 03 13:29:04 johnx: parts of /usr are also on that partition Feb 03 13:29:09 and it was not hidden until half an hour ago Feb 03 13:29:19 lardman, ah you symlinke them in? Feb 03 13:29:35 it's a fon AP Feb 03 13:29:42 debian/ubuntu will just ignore anything that shows up on /home Feb 03 13:29:47 did you delete the stored connection? maybe it's confused by it having not been hidden Feb 03 13:29:48 johnx: no, it's a very large disk, so I allowed (foolishly) other parts of the system to reside on the same partition Feb 03 13:29:52 you could just do something random like change the channel Feb 03 13:30:03 let's see Feb 03 13:30:11 I love random troubleshooting... Feb 03 13:30:22 lardman, is that some wacky mandriva feature? Feb 03 13:30:28 I think I had an issue where somethnig wouldn't find an ap on one end of its available channels, though I think it was my laptop and not the tablet Feb 03 13:31:00 johnx: not sure how I did it to be honest Feb 03 13:31:06 O_o Feb 03 13:31:28 either way: debian/ubuntu (debuntu?) isn't going to care Feb 03 13:31:47 except there's lots of rubbish on there which I don't want Feb 03 13:32:04 right so scrap everything there except /home/lardman Feb 03 13:32:24 ah, I know what I must have done, placed home on the root partition (as last time I ran out of scratchbox space) Feb 03 13:32:35 aaaah Feb 03 13:32:35 johnx: but how? Feb 03 13:32:47 so it's all one partition? Feb 03 13:33:06 there is a separate one for /usr from the looks of things Feb 03 13:33:15 he wonders of installer wizards ;) Feb 03 13:33:29 ok, just pastebin the output of mount :P Feb 03 13:33:57 am in WinXP as I'm GUI-less in Linux Feb 03 13:34:06 aaah Feb 03 13:34:29 Meh, who needs a UI in Linux .. Feb 03 13:34:34 All kicked off by random freezes -> update Nvidia driver, wrong GCC/kernel version, update kernel, xen so Nvidia won't work Feb 03 13:34:43 alterego: true Feb 03 13:34:58 Heh Feb 03 13:35:07 alterego: but I've had enough of Mandrake anyway, was just nursing it along as I couldn't be bothered to change when it was (just about) wortking Feb 03 13:35:09 Sounds like some nice old fashioned dependency hell :)# Feb 03 13:35:26 Urgh, Mandrake?! Feb 03 13:35:33 gah...*has RH5.1 dependency hell flashback* Feb 03 13:36:07 yeah Mandrake upgraded as I went along to Mandriva, add extra disks, etc. Mandrake/iva is really quite rubbish for centralised updates (imo anyway) Feb 03 13:38:02 is it normal that make menconfig on maemo kernel gives weird errors? oO Feb 03 13:38:17 I think I had the same problem :/ Feb 03 13:38:39 just poke at it's .config by hand I guess :| Feb 03 13:38:39 Not sure you can run menuconfig Feb 03 13:38:55 certainly wasn't happy when I did so, so I did as johnx said Feb 03 13:39:29 hmkey, menu oldconfig and that editing by hand works Feb 03 13:39:38 * lardman looks forward to running a 32bit Linux system and once again being able to view flash sites Feb 03 13:39:53 lardman ?? Feb 03 13:40:01 what system do you use? Feb 03 13:40:07 yeah, It might be a while until I see a compelling reason to install a 64-bit distro Feb 03 13:40:12 got no probs with ubuntu and linux32 Feb 03 13:40:20 Alendit: crappy Mandrake/iva mix Feb 03 13:40:21 i got 64-bit ubuntu Feb 03 13:40:36 ah, so the compat libs work do they? Feb 03 13:40:41 ok, i've got no idea about mandrake Feb 03 13:40:43 I used to run 64-bit ubuntu but had too many stupid little problems Feb 03 13:40:54 yo, compat libs are working Feb 03 13:40:59 I think I'll settle for 32bit, I've not need for 64bit Feb 03 13:41:00 that was back in edgy or so maybe... Feb 03 13:41:55 yes, there no really difference...it's some sort of wasting if you've got 64-bit cpu and no 64-bit system ^^ i know it's stupid Feb 03 13:42:25 and i had to set up chroot in order to install maemo sdk Feb 03 13:42:43 it installed ok on my system, did it by hand though Feb 03 13:43:26 I wish Debian would get multiarch figured out... Feb 03 13:44:05 for searches: binaries of flex, gperf, icu and libicu: http://www.atoker.com/webkit-maemo/ Feb 03 13:45:05 someone tried http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Mokopedia on maemo? Feb 03 13:48:34 I haven't tried it but I really should find a good mobile wikipedia solution Feb 03 13:49:14 i coopied school edition but its contents are very limited Feb 03 13:49:23 well, i saw it on neo and it's really cool Feb 03 13:49:39 also there is the sdict version but i couldn't dl it Feb 03 13:50:12 german version feats on 1 gb card Feb 03 13:50:18 no idea if you're satisfied with german version ^^ Feb 03 13:50:36 englisch should feat on 3,5gb or something like that Feb 03 13:51:29 compiling kernel with squashfs, wish me luck ^^ Feb 03 13:51:49 good luck Feb 03 13:51:59 are you building it as a module or into the kernel? Feb 03 13:52:16 module Feb 03 13:52:38 make modules is running now Feb 03 13:53:12 make modules was without errors Feb 03 13:53:37 yay! Feb 03 13:53:47 hi all Feb 03 13:53:51 hi Feb 03 13:53:57 GREAT, IT COMPILES. SHIP IT NOW!!! ;) Feb 03 13:54:10 Gogogo! Feb 03 13:54:13 ^^ Feb 03 13:54:21 That's how Nokia does it, isn't it? Feb 03 13:54:45 cheers for the advice, time to install Ubuntu, bye Feb 03 13:54:48 kinda of, but only with stable releases ^^ Feb 03 13:54:56 not at all, nokia has a very strict policy of removing vital source from the packaging before shipping fully Feb 03 13:56:06 They use some sort of randomized algorithm to choose which sources not to include. Feb 03 13:56:13 just a joke, i never seen any unstable thing by nokia (doesn't mean there no) Feb 03 13:56:28 Never? Feb 03 13:57:07 no Feb 03 13:57:16 really Feb 03 13:57:58 my n800 got some freezes but due to 3rd party progs Feb 03 13:58:19 Did you ever own a 770? Feb 03 13:58:28 Or use any version of OS2007? Feb 03 13:58:31 Or OS2008? Feb 03 13:58:31 no Feb 03 13:59:08 no, i bought n800 end of last year and flashed in with 2008 Feb 03 13:59:27 GeneralAntilles, in all fairness, from what i have learnt since i got into maemo is that the n800 is the best and most suitable all round (price as well) device nokia has released for it Feb 03 13:59:33 GeneralAntilles, honestly I haven't had many stability issues with my N800...mostly usability issues Feb 03 13:59:35 Just, fyi, Nokia has shiiped a LOT of unstable software. ;) Feb 03 14:00:17 (except for the builtin mail app which is completely useless) Feb 03 14:00:26 and camera app Feb 03 14:00:34 yeah, that too Feb 03 14:00:45 the actual OS has been pretty good though Feb 03 14:00:53 and the internet app that randomly closes Feb 03 14:01:07 the internet closed? Feb 03 14:01:08 Don't get me wrong, though, Alendit, I lurve my tablets, but stability has not been a strong point in the past. ;) Feb 03 14:01:18 and the battery charging software that randomly decides you cant switch on your device Feb 03 14:01:36 anyone tried this hack to connect an usb keyboard to nokia? Feb 03 14:01:39 without otg Feb 03 14:01:43 I ran into that exactly once, had 30 seconds of freaking out, popped the battery and it was fixed Feb 03 14:01:44 johnx, sometimes closing a browser window closes the whole browser app Feb 03 14:01:58 never had that problem Feb 03 14:02:04 I don't doubt it exists Feb 03 14:02:08 Sometimes browsing the internet closes the whole browser app. :D Feb 03 14:02:12 Alendit, i have a standard usb keyboard usable through my nokia charger cable -> female2female usb then the keyboard Feb 03 14:02:41 did you need any additional software for it? Feb 03 14:02:47 or you just connected it? Feb 03 14:02:52 bOTG is fully backwards compatible with old usb its just devices must stay low powered Feb 03 14:03:00 there is a setting which needs to be enabled Feb 03 14:03:09 ill just get the shell line for you 2 secs Feb 03 14:03:09 i bought an ff adapted yesterday, now waiting for the shipment Feb 03 14:03:35 I think kontorri's (sp?) usbcontrol removes the need for any shell use... Feb 03 14:04:18 echo otg > /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode ? Feb 03 14:04:30 sounds right yer Feb 03 14:04:50 theres the other settings for different modes Feb 03 14:05:31 yeah, can't tried it though till i get my adapter :( Feb 03 14:06:09 but with usb keyboar (very cheap) n800 is not worse than n810 Feb 03 14:06:19 since i don't need GPS Feb 03 14:06:31 bzImage is ready Feb 03 14:06:50 i grabbed a usb extension from back of old computer and rejigged the cable to make a quick f-f Feb 03 14:07:11 http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=HOWTO:_USB_Host_mode_on_the_N800_using_OS_2008 Feb 03 14:07:29 that looks pretty much like the full outline Feb 03 14:07:54 wasnt the one i used. (its buried away somewhere in a pile of links in the backgarden)( Feb 03 14:08:27 i wonder if there a way to connect a mouse to n800 Feb 03 14:08:34 with cursor and things like that Feb 03 14:09:02 cursor is invisible on n8x0 maemo (tho some apps break and you can see it occasionally) Feb 03 14:09:39 its set to a blank pointer so it doesnt get in the way, so a mouse would be impractical, though if you compile up another linux it should just work Feb 03 14:09:51 yeas, i know (for example if you xforward amarok to n800 your can see it), is there a way to turn it on? Feb 03 14:10:18 dunno, certainly not a desired feature from this end so never examined the possibility Feb 03 14:10:28 I don't know, but I can at least tell you it's not a limitation of the x-server Feb 03 14:11:21 it gives some hope Feb 03 14:14:09 ok, i compiled kernel...how can i change kernel in my scatchbox now? Feb 03 14:15:05 hmm? Feb 03 14:16:22 now that you've compiled the squashfs.ko module (or whatever it's called) just copy it to your tablet... Feb 03 14:16:25 i have new bzImage now, but i don't want to flash my nokia with it without to try it in scratchbox Feb 03 14:16:35 backup first ;) Feb 03 14:16:41 scratchbox doesn't run kernels Feb 03 14:16:52 j0 Feb 03 14:16:56 i see it now Feb 03 14:16:57 also, you don't need to use the new bzImage since you compiled squashfs as a module Feb 03 14:17:16 uname -r in scratchbox gives my kernel Feb 03 14:17:54 sounds reasonable ^^ but i want to try mokopedia on my pc, cause i don't have any 1gb card Feb 03 14:18:21 unless the kernel on your PC supports squashfs you're probably out of luck into you recompile it as well Feb 03 14:18:26 i should load a squashfs module on my pc Feb 03 14:18:30 yes :) Feb 03 14:18:43 ubuntu has it Feb 03 14:24:56 I've got another killer game project idea Feb 03 14:33:02 sigh, still no luck with this hidden ssid :( Feb 03 14:33:51 is there a reason you can't just make it visible? Feb 03 14:33:56 yes Feb 03 14:34:03 a bug Feb 03 14:34:16 ah :( Feb 03 14:34:40 it's a fon router, with two ssids on the same transceiver, and with power saving enabled the IT gets confused Feb 03 14:34:53 so the workaround is to hide one of the ssids Feb 03 14:35:28 unfortunately, I can only hide the private one, which is the one with WPA Feb 03 14:35:36 the public one is plain Feb 03 14:36:24 disabling power saving I get less than half the battery power :( Feb 03 14:36:31 s/power/lif Feb 03 14:36:33 s/power/life Feb 03 14:36:45 that's really unfortunate Feb 03 14:36:53 yes... Feb 03 14:36:56 battery on the 810 or on the fon router? Feb 03 14:37:08 the router does not have a battery... Feb 03 14:37:55 still, I think the tablet shoult work with hidden networks, it seems to be working for everybody else Feb 03 14:38:00 810 wifi is supposed to be very friendly if the connectio nis not used, does it really take it down by half? Feb 03 14:38:08 yes Feb 03 14:38:12 boo Feb 03 14:38:20 if I disable power saving, I mean Feb 03 14:38:23 The powersaving is incredibly effective. Feb 03 14:38:30 the GeneralAntilles fallow keeps telling us it is miraculous Feb 03 14:38:31 it is Feb 03 14:38:33 see Feb 03 14:38:47 wondered when you would chime in gen :P Feb 03 14:39:24 Whenever I damn well please! Feb 03 14:39:32 * GeneralAntilles goes back to playing with x forwarding. :P Feb 03 14:39:36 GeneralAntilles, do you sit there with ceiling cat watching for anyone wanting xchat or dissing the wifi power saving? Feb 03 14:39:39 complain to fon for their buggy ap Feb 03 14:40:00 I highlight on everything. :P Feb 03 14:40:17 you REALLY want your n900 :P Feb 03 14:40:24 Hehe Feb 03 14:41:16 meanwhile, I have built these http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/puzzles/ Feb 03 14:41:34 actually gen, about power saving, my 810 has stopped draining when im not using it. when i switch it back on now its where i left it Feb 03 14:41:36 they work unmodified, but could use some hildonization Feb 03 14:42:13 how do i run a .exe file in maemo? ;) Feb 03 14:42:27 dosbox Feb 03 14:43:07 there's the source Feb 03 14:43:23 i've got an idea for a pidgin plugin Feb 03 14:43:31 well thats ok then, on related matter, wine wouldnt work would it (because of the x86 code) Feb 03 14:43:32 an 'now compiling' plugin ^^ Feb 03 14:43:54 cool michele Feb 03 14:43:55 hey guys, does somebody know where is a good place to ensure that an own script gets executed at startup? Feb 03 14:44:06 lcuk_2, nope Feb 03 14:44:28 the some crazy people are using bochs and/or dosbox to run win95/98 Feb 03 14:44:43 nice Feb 03 14:44:53 qos_, copy it to /etc/init.d and put a link to it in /etc/rc2.d Feb 03 14:45:06 name the link something like S99myscript Feb 03 14:46:01 johnx, i was thinking about something like that... is there a good reference to read more about the topic? Feb 03 14:46:51 qos_, documentation specifically about Nokia's ITOS or Debian/Linux in general? Feb 03 14:47:45 johnx, i just care about the starting mechanisem... so, if it is the same on both platforms i dont care Feb 03 14:48:24 What is the correct way to start a program at device boot-up as user with environment fully set up (name for D-Bus)? init.d-script would be obvious for root-processes but what about user? Right now I'm using "start-stop-daemon --chuid user", but getting environment properly set for D-Bus seems to require dirty hacks. Maybe I'm doing something terribly wrong. Feb 03 14:48:43 basically it seems fairly similar to debian, except for a couple things: you have ash on the tablet, not bash. and the startup order is likely slightly different Feb 03 14:48:58 Well that's my N800 gone :( Feb 03 14:49:05 ahem.. Feb 03 14:49:08 alterego, hmm? Feb 03 14:49:16 * michele clicked a link on his laptop by touching the screen Feb 03 14:49:18 I donated it. Feb 03 14:49:28 silicon heaven? Feb 03 14:49:35 No, I gave it away. Feb 03 14:49:45 Well, swapped it for an N80 Feb 03 14:49:46 um, why and to who? Feb 03 14:49:46 how alturistic of you, i gather you have a replacement Feb 03 14:50:03 Yes, I've still got the 770 and N810 Feb 03 14:50:07 ah cool Feb 03 14:50:08 wnd, I think there are files you can source in something like /etc/af-osso-* Feb 03 14:50:10 n810 is nice :) Feb 03 14:50:11 wicked, spread the nokia love Feb 03 14:50:12 michele, tell me moar Feb 03 14:50:43 Alendit: what about? Feb 03 14:50:58 qos_, so maybe look for a howto on making an init script in debian Feb 03 14:50:59 alter, i hope its a good home. remember nokias are for life not just for happy february Feb 03 14:51:12 Heh Feb 03 14:51:16 about a link clicked by touching screen Feb 03 14:51:20 touchscreen on laptop? a tablett? Feb 03 14:51:55 yer michele, im intruiged about this "touchscreen" concept. ive heard they are gonna be big someday Feb 03 14:52:16 i cant imagine touching my crt screen though Feb 03 14:52:28 johnx, I'm not exactly sure what you mean, but sure, run-standalone.sh can be used to set the environment. (I'm actually saving the environment with "run-stadnalone.sh set >foo" and having the application to process it.) however start-stop-daemon seems to discard the environment, and running run-standalone.sh with start-stop-daemon seems ugly. Feb 03 14:52:35 please correct me if I'm wrong Feb 03 14:52:43 johnx, why have you choosen rc2.d? there are others around Feb 03 14:53:00 qos_, runlevel 2 is the default runlevel if I remember correctly Feb 03 14:53:17 johnx, what about the others? Feb 03 14:53:36 wnd, you're correct. I really don't know a less hacky way to do it though... Feb 03 14:53:37 lcuk_2: why not, lots of ATMs have crt screens and touch panels :) Feb 03 14:54:00 talking of setting the environment, I wonder why putenv() won't do the trick. setenv(foo, bar, 1) does. Feb 03 14:54:13 Alendit: ahah, not it was a mistake because I am used to the tablet now Feb 03 14:54:30 qos_, what about them? they won't be executed when the tablet boots unless you modify /etc/inittab to make it start in a different runlevel Feb 03 14:54:32 johnx, well, thanks anyway. at least it wasn't anything too obvious. Feb 03 14:55:11 wnd, I'm really not the right person to ask about the "right" or "elegant" way to do something :) Feb 03 14:55:23 * wnd grins Feb 03 14:55:28 michele - back before touch became the norm i used to hate people touching my monitor Feb 03 14:55:40 * lcuk_2 grrrrrrrrrrrs @ greasy fingerprints Feb 03 14:55:54 I guess I'll just hack around it for now Feb 03 14:59:01 Thank God for paravirtualization Feb 03 14:59:35 * johnx should really get around to setting that up Feb 03 15:00:08 hey! I see the network now! Feb 03 15:00:13 woo! Feb 03 15:00:19 I see your underwear! Feb 03 15:00:27 it really sucks, that there is no hardware TAB at the n810 ... Feb 03 15:00:37 ctrl-u isn't it? Feb 03 15:00:42 Heh Feb 03 15:00:55 ah Feb 03 15:00:57 ctrl-i Feb 03 15:01:21 sorry didn't mean to erase that whole line you typed Feb 03 15:01:46 hell, why do you know that? Feb 03 15:01:59 hmm? Feb 03 15:02:25 I tested ctrl-u in a shell, realized it deleted the line then posted my correction... Feb 03 15:03:47 johnx: os2008 boots from mmc but debian doesn't is bootloader then ok? Feb 03 15:03:48 its much more comfortable to change tab to the button under the d-pad thing ... ^^ Feb 03 15:04:30 hahlo, yeah, that means your bootmenu is working fine Feb 03 15:04:42 it didn't work for GeneralAntilles either... Feb 03 15:04:54 hahlo, can you manage to ssh in with usb networking? Feb 03 15:05:16 I try that next Feb 03 15:18:26 i am finding out some files Feb 03 15:18:30 * alterego contemplates getting Linux on his N80 .. Feb 03 15:18:48 where is maemo-statusbar-usbnet_0.6-.dev? Feb 03 15:18:52 Yes, you're right .. I'm insane. Feb 03 15:19:15 http://repostory.maemo.org/extras/pool/3.2/free/ here have no Feb 03 15:19:32 that probably won't work on OS2008... Feb 03 15:20:19 it is so difficult to set usb networking Feb 03 15:27:30 uuuuu..... Feb 03 15:33:28 johnx: this command is right ( sudo /etc/init.d/usbnet start ) ? Feb 03 15:33:53 usb networking start Feb 03 15:35:57 holy crap, I got a gps fix Feb 03 15:36:43 Remember the game 'comanche' for the PC? This guy has done a niftly little demo that lets you fly over the comanche data files. Just copy C1.DTA and D1.DTA over to it and run groucom.exe in dosbox. Feb 03 15:36:46 Grab http://advsys.net/ken/voxlap/groudraw.zip Feb 03 15:36:47 From http://advsys.net/ken/voxlap.htm Feb 03 15:36:49 Source is included. There's a little bit of x86 ASM in there, but not too much. Would be a gas to port this to SDL and do a little comanche or scorched3d type game with it. Feb 03 15:38:03 K-Fox, if you've created the script that the instructions tell you to then it will work Feb 03 15:38:15 lol Feb 03 15:38:18 lol Feb 03 15:38:30 lol Feb 03 15:38:39 whoops Feb 03 15:41:55 whoops whoops Feb 03 15:43:36 where is web link of usb networking ? n800 <--> winxp , my os is 2008 Feb 03 15:45:10 K-Fox: on the maemo wiki Feb 03 15:46:21 hmm my 770's wifi does not work any more Feb 03 15:46:58 and when I change my settings (regional) I get a storage full Feb 03 15:47:59 please , on the maeo wiki .................. Feb 03 15:48:13 a correct link........ Feb 03 15:48:22 keesj, hardware failure? Feb 03 15:48:23 you ask for a link right? Feb 03 15:48:44 detail link... Feb 03 15:53:07 pupnik_: want a deb for ja2? Feb 03 15:53:23 seems to work with 2006-2008 Feb 03 15:57:30 Anyone here with an n800 (or better) that would like to test a web app for me? Feb 03 15:58:24 There's nothing better than an N800. :P Feb 03 15:58:53 The N810 is so much better :P Feb 03 15:59:13 Mr. I'm Happy With 10GB of Storage Feb 03 16:00:15 alterego: any chance of those debs? Feb 03 16:02:34 solmumaha, maybe Feb 03 16:08:14 solmumaha, exactly which debs do you need? Feb 03 16:11:14 those three for chinook Feb 03 16:11:43 Okay Feb 03 16:11:46 libruby, ruby18 etc Feb 03 16:11:58 i'll mirror them this time, i promise Feb 03 16:16:12 solmumaha: sure! :) Feb 03 16:16:14 solmumaha, http://alterego.freeshell.org/Ruby-Maemo.tar.gz Feb 03 16:16:27 That's all the base ruby-maemo packages. Feb 03 16:16:39 thanks a lot Feb 03 16:16:50 Sorry I've been so crap lately. I've just been working 24/7 the past couple of months :( Feb 03 16:17:06 Kggk your project is certainly interesting. I'm busy right now though :) Feb 03 16:17:23 hard to test certain things on scratchbox without mplayer Feb 03 16:22:19 hey solmumaha you wanna see something really cool? Feb 03 16:22:33 http://pupnik.de/pupvox.zip Feb 03 16:22:46 unzip, run from command line, use arrow keys to move Feb 03 16:24:58 gonna try to get a few more fps out of that Feb 03 16:26:21 jott: you around? Feb 03 16:26:35 yep Feb 03 16:26:54 check out pupvox :) Feb 03 16:27:22 nice.. Feb 03 16:27:26 quite fast Feb 03 16:28:00 long time since i last saw a voxel engine ;) Feb 03 16:28:34 ./c Feb 03 16:29:55 runs nicely Feb 03 16:30:14 code by Andrea Griffini Feb 03 16:31:10 now add some enemies and make it delta force Feb 03 16:31:52 i particularly like how smooth it is compared to other voxel engines Feb 03 16:32:00 pupnik_: you familiar with sdl? i think it would be very easy to bind the few hardware buttons in ja2 Feb 03 16:32:32 did you say you have a .deb? Feb 03 16:32:34 can't remember exactly what is needed, but at least +/- to crouch/stand would be nice Feb 03 16:32:37 yes Feb 03 16:32:53 tested it on 2006/hacker too Feb 03 16:33:35 just grep SDLK Feb 03 16:33:48 it seems to be playable on 770, just few annoying pauses from time to time and longer loading times Feb 03 16:34:03 i found the file Feb 03 16:34:07 -if ( (keys[SDLK_F6] == SDL_PRESSED)) { } Feb 03 16:34:13 or summat Feb 03 16:34:28 cool Feb 03 16:34:35 k, could try it myself although i'm no programmer Feb 03 16:34:52 must try it on desktop to see what is missing Feb 03 16:38:10 pupnik_: but here's the deb if you want to test it: http://nakkiboso.com/ja2_0.7_svn.deb Feb 03 16:38:28 ok will you update that file if you make changes? Feb 03 16:38:45 or maybe put a tgz up with things you do? Feb 03 16:39:12 i can replace that if i make changes Feb 03 16:41:05 Has anyone actually done a decent Java port to maemo ? Feb 03 16:41:10 that expects to find the data from /media/mmc1/ja2data, but you can change it from .ja2/ja2.ini Feb 03 16:49:09 pupnik_: seems it playable as is, can crouch/shoot etc Feb 03 16:49:29 want to host that on your site? Feb 03 16:49:46 sure! Feb 03 16:50:39 k, thanks Feb 03 18:07:14 alias moe='more' Feb 03 18:12:18 or as robert browning and mies van der rohe would say, alias less=more Feb 03 18:29:36 hey, isn't there mount in sdk? Feb 03 18:29:45 what package do i need to get it? Feb 03 18:31:02 Alendit: you should use mount on your host system. Feb 03 18:31:09 Alendit: why you need mount in sdk ? Feb 03 18:31:37 want to mount a quashfs image Feb 03 18:31:47 but you are right, i can do it on host Feb 03 18:37:19 hrm 106 fps in a 400x240 window Feb 03 18:37:56 pup, is that not enough? Feb 03 18:37:57 sao matsch to lurn Feb 03 18:38:29 it's a lot :) Feb 03 18:39:09 yeah, mokopedia runs in a scratchbox ^^ Feb 03 18:39:30 i can't wait for my 4gb card so i can try it on n800 Feb 03 18:40:54 inz: check this out: http://pupnik.de/newvox Feb 03 18:46:58 pupnik_, when do I get to shoot things? :P Feb 03 18:47:02 i dont want to find out any fun games Feb 03 18:47:10 they take too much time Feb 03 18:48:28 just playing with the algorithm GeneralAntilles Feb 03 18:49:18 Is that what you kids are calling it now-a-days. Feb 03 19:45:23 hmm. does N810 display virtual multi-SSID networks? Feb 03 19:45:29 (different SSID, same AP MAC) Feb 03 19:45:34 I'm only seeing one Feb 03 19:47:37 does the n810 server me cherry pies, mine doesn't seem to be serving me cherry pies Feb 03 19:47:50 :) Feb 03 19:48:06 and I totaly want Feb 03 19:48:13 MORE PIES PLEASE Feb 03 19:48:41 in other notes: I have no idea if the n810 displays virtual multi-SSID networks Feb 03 19:49:24 Some people do call me the AP Mac though Feb 03 20:06:59 hi, can someone test for me if there any error with modprobe on os2008? Feb 03 20:07:05 ich get modprobe: cannot parse modules.dep Feb 03 20:10:25 Alendit: for some stupid reason depmod is missing in os2008, either build it or use insmod with the full path of the module.. Feb 03 20:10:44 ok, thanks Feb 03 20:11:54 any of you use gpesyncd with the opensync stuff ? Feb 03 20:12:10 it synced once now it wont work Feb 03 20:12:17 I made a ssh-key Feb 03 20:12:19 thats fine Feb 03 20:14:04 http://cleardefinition.com/page/Sync_Evolution_and_GPE_on_N800/ Feb 03 20:14:07 followed this Feb 03 20:45:16 can someone tell me, why a program compile if i fire up make, doesn't with dpkg-buildpackage -b -rfakeroot? oO Feb 03 20:45:40 Would need to see the whole log Feb 03 20:45:58 mom Feb 03 20:47:14 yes dear Feb 03 20:49:13 lol Feb 03 20:49:20 mom like moment Feb 03 20:50:13 heh, ah Feb 03 20:50:54 Damn. I've got a new toy itch. Hopefully a female/female USB adapter for my N810 and some goodness with USB host will sait me Feb 03 20:51:10 :) Feb 03 20:52:44 jaffa, http://pastebin.org/18041 Feb 03 20:52:45 jaffa, minutes after connecting it, gleefully typing a web url with usb keyboard, seeing contents on your mem stick and possibly trying to wiggle a mouse you disconnect and move onto the next thing for a few weeks. Feb 03 20:53:30 (and probably get a bluetooth keyboard because you got wireless device, damn it looks ugly with all those tethers Feb 03 20:54:17 Jaffa, sry there no error in that paste :( Feb 03 20:54:21 just output of 1 Feb 03 20:54:49 ok. I think there's a 'misfeature" somewhere in n810 then Feb 03 20:55:08 it doesn't support multi-ssid networks if they have the same MAC. it only displays the "last one" of that same MAC. Feb 03 20:55:17 gps so slow you arrive at destination before you get a lock? Feb 03 20:55:47 pupnik_: those comments were all features, not bugs ;) Feb 03 20:56:09 pupnik_: the comment on the old 2006 nuvoblack. Feb 03 20:56:36 Jaffa, http://pastebin.org/18042 Feb 03 20:56:39 any ideas? Feb 03 20:59:39 does os2008 come with any command line wireless/diagnostics tools? Feb 03 21:01:43 not by default, but there is a wirelesstools package Feb 03 21:03:58 konttori: i'll post a screenshot or two, and maybe look into the .deb Feb 03 21:04:03 cheers Feb 03 21:06:34 [20:55] lcuk_2 gps so slow you arrive at destination before you get a lock? Feb 03 21:06:35 lool Feb 03 21:07:35 the sad thing is that lcuk_2 gets lost going to the corner store Feb 03 21:08:11 it takes him twice as long, 2 minutes to lock the GPS, then 2 minutes to get there Feb 03 21:08:11 i dont get lost as such, i just have to follow the bus route home. Feb 03 21:08:13 my 810 is supposed to be here tuesday, i may take off work weds so i can play with it lol Feb 03 21:08:24 heh Feb 03 21:08:24 my first n810 got returned because i thought the gps was broken Feb 03 21:08:30 lol Feb 03 21:08:45 how did they manage to return it? Feb 03 21:08:51 i did Feb 03 21:09:02 maybe they didnt use a gps that attained lock faster because they figured most of us geeks actually know how to get out of our neighborhood without needing gps Feb 03 21:09:17 just cheap Feb 03 21:09:35 same GPS they have in some of the phones, it was made to be cell assisted Feb 03 21:09:45 i was a bit angry at that article about nokias profit margin being so huge Feb 03 21:09:54 which doesn't work in the IT Feb 03 21:09:54 it's cause they shafted us developers for christmas Feb 03 21:09:57 i think there is a knack to the gps - it involves something like standing with keyboard open and lay flat on its back whilst being stroked by a nubile angel Feb 03 21:10:08 hmm Feb 03 21:10:10 sounds fun Feb 03 21:10:32 it works for me so why shouldnt it work for the nokia ;0 Feb 03 21:11:15 i have a feeling i'm gonna use the holux bluetooth gps module for my n810 when i actually need to rely on gps Feb 03 21:11:22 okay, why is a windows audio driver 30 frickin MB Feb 03 21:11:27 LKSJDL:FJ)!*()@#$ Feb 03 21:11:33 wtf is in there! Feb 03 21:11:38 a dump of wikipedia? Feb 03 21:11:39 a rootkit Feb 03 21:11:42 acydlord, why bother, once it gets a lock its rock steady (well, within a few mph anyway) Feb 03 21:11:54 even a rootkit can fint in 2k Feb 03 21:11:58 and the tears of steve balmer Feb 03 21:12:14 30mb??? Feb 03 21:12:38 there'd better be a flight sim hidden in there Feb 03 21:12:40 Has anyone had a problem downloading files throough the browser in os2008? Feb 03 21:12:43 lcuk, mostly because a good part of my gps use will be offroad in the boonies Feb 03 21:13:23 ive not had it drop a lock yet with city driving, as long as you have a clear sky (and a 20minute head start) you can get anywhere Feb 03 21:13:33 lol Feb 03 21:13:35 you'll have easier conditions without building around you Feb 03 21:13:40 buildings Feb 03 21:14:02 Nothing wants to download here. At first, the app conplained of insuffiicient memory, whenthere was plenty. But now it jus lists the item and it stalls away. Feb 03 21:15:26 Any thoughs? Feb 03 21:15:40 sorry lcuk_2 Feb 03 21:15:47 there was meant to be a LOL Feb 03 21:15:50 behind that Feb 03 21:15:54 and hi ;-} Feb 03 21:16:08 evening Feb 03 21:16:20 any of you use gpesyncd ? Feb 03 21:16:36 to sync the gpe stuff from the N810 to evolution ? Feb 03 21:21:18 Erming /did/ work for me to get things on google calendar. Feb 03 21:23:09 Hello folks Feb 03 21:23:16 OMGHI2U Feb 03 21:30:44 is there an easy way to recover data off a non-bootable N800? (it's doing a reboot loop) Feb 03 21:32:08 You have auto-connect and ssh enabled? Feb 03 21:32:28 and can you type REALLY quickly Feb 03 21:32:35 ... Feb 03 21:32:41 Yeah, no, lcuk_2. :P Feb 03 21:32:44 flasher tool . . . Feb 03 21:32:54 thats the cheats way out :P Feb 03 21:33:04 * GeneralAntilles is a cheater. Feb 03 21:34:00 * lcuk_2 has splinters Feb 03 21:34:09 * GeneralAntilles gets the ax. Feb 03 21:34:25 * lcuk_2 managed woodwork today and never cut himself Feb 03 21:35:33 i was making a nokia n810 executive "lie on the bed and be able to rest arm and write on the screen without injuring wrist because nokia is embedded in a deep resess in a plank of wood" device. Feb 03 21:37:00 Dammit this browser glitch is frustrating. I have no clue what to do, and work to be done. Feb 03 21:37:19 is it a specific site, or if you try to download from anywhere Feb 03 21:37:54 GeneralAntilles: nope, don't have SSH Feb 03 21:38:35 Anywhere. Large files create an memory complaint and stall, little ones just stall. Feb 03 21:39:59 so its downloading the file thats the problem, not listing the proceeding webpage Feb 03 21:40:19 Oddly, if i leave a file to stall, open some other program, or swiitch to one, when i come back to file is not listed anymore. Feb 03 21:40:51 Right, pages are rendering fine. Feb 03 21:41:08 blast007, then you're basically screwed. Feb 03 21:41:16 k ;) Feb 03 21:41:21 your memory card that its trying to save to isnt full by any chance is it? Feb 03 21:41:50 which one would it try saving to? Feb 03 21:42:07 i dunno, check all of the memory cards for space Feb 03 21:42:12 k Feb 03 21:42:26 see if any are running on empty Feb 03 21:42:33 Nope, and they aren't hung up in a read only error either. The downloads even behave this way when saving to the builtin memory. Feb 03 21:43:03 was just a thought Feb 03 21:43:26 Sure, i was hoping that was it, too. Feb 03 21:44:03 you could try clearing internet cache if it exists on 810? Feb 03 21:44:35 * lcuk_2 starts hitting the pinata Feb 03 21:44:39 I did. :) Feb 03 21:44:42 I did. :) No change on this n800 Feb 03 21:45:19 blast007, after you reflash, follow the steps here: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8631 Feb 03 21:45:22 could it be a webaddin problem ? Feb 03 21:46:05 That's give you three things: a bootable backup for swift recoveries day or night, USB networking immediately at boot for recoveries from those REALLY bad crashes, and the ability to boot other stuff like johnx's Debian. Feb 03 21:46:07 Does anyone know of any bluetooth headsets that work well on the n800? It apparently doesn't support A2DP which is what most headsets use. Feb 03 21:46:30 GeneralAntilles: okay, cool, thanks Feb 03 22:00:50 anyone know if theres a .bmp editor for os2008? Feb 03 22:01:50 Screw it. I'm reflashing. Dammit. Feb 03 22:13:28 braddbr, tux paint? Feb 03 22:13:50 ok, i'll give it a shot.. thank you Feb 03 22:13:56 maybe one in five of the feeds i'd like to subscribe to work at all in the os2008 rss reader Feb 03 22:14:28 are there any better? Feb 03 22:22:46 So I tried ripping a dvd to avi and playing it on my n810, but I get 1fps. Feb 03 22:23:00 Should I transcode to ogg/mpeg instead? Should I try encoding at lower quality? Feb 03 22:24:45 daveu2: what is it you are using to transcode? Feb 03 22:24:46 <|tbb|> hi together Feb 03 22:25:12 mplayer using dvd::rip Feb 03 22:25:16 there is a program specifically for transcoding so it is easy to playback on the IT Feb 03 22:25:28 dvd::rip using transcode Feb 03 22:25:28 Really? Which program? Feb 03 22:25:30 but I digress Feb 03 22:25:47 Are there instructions somewhere? Feb 03 22:26:20 http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/transcoding_how-to.html Feb 03 22:27:00 http://maemo.org/community/wiki/VideoEncoding Feb 03 22:28:16 <|tbb|> anyone knows if the wlan adapter of the tablets going to power save mode while doing an adhoc connection? Feb 03 22:29:04 Try http://mediautils.garage.maem.org for on-demand. Feb 03 22:29:17 http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org/ Feb 03 22:34:52 There's not a nice way to play audio via the network, the host is windows? Feb 03 22:35:26 Blafasel: install a upnp server on Windows Feb 03 22:35:58 http://fuppes.ulrich-voelkel.de/download/ Feb 03 22:36:21 hnngh. the rss reader doesn't handle Content-Encoding: gzip Feb 03 22:36:49 cesman: And which player on the maemo side supports that? Feb 03 22:37:14 looks like I need to figure out how to set up a deflating proxy Feb 03 22:37:35 Blafasel: mediastreamer Feb 03 22:47:49 Thanks a lot, will give it a try Feb 03 23:02:06 canola does a decent job of playing over the network as well Feb 03 23:02:15 as does webot Feb 03 23:06:48 i've got mokopedia working on my n800 ^^ Feb 03 23:07:13 hi Feb 03 23:08:13 hi, super_cas Feb 03 23:08:28 ok n800 or archos 605 Feb 03 23:08:43 can n800 go to stage6.com Feb 03 23:09:18 no Feb 03 23:09:33 I've never tried actually Feb 03 23:09:37 well, yes ;) Feb 03 23:09:43 it does? Feb 03 23:09:47 but i don't think you can watch movies online Feb 03 23:09:55 well, DUH Feb 03 23:09:58 you should download them and run mplayer or something like that Feb 03 23:10:19 Alendit: well, most of stage6 is HD, and the rest is fullscreen quality Feb 03 23:10:31 you're NEVER going to get decent playback on the tablet Feb 03 23:10:56 i've tried stage6 on the n800, doesnt work Feb 03 23:11:08 never tried, but i think use could with -fast option Feb 03 23:11:24 you'd need to add gstreamer-divx Feb 03 23:11:29 i watched house streamed with vlc after it was dl'ed from stage6 Feb 03 23:15:39 mplayer is 2343242 faster than gstreamer bullshit Feb 03 23:15:59 ^^ Feb 03 23:16:18 I regularly watch standard DVD rips *without reencoding* using mplayer. Feb 03 23:16:24 ca. 2343242 times faste ;) Feb 03 23:16:38 as long as you play from the SD card and not try to stream -- the TCP/IP load is just enough to cause skipping in video. Feb 03 23:18:12 i.e., Ratatouille, the two disc XVID (~600mb .avi x2) works perfectly. Feb 03 23:18:22 not that I know about such things. ;) Feb 03 23:19:08 fysa, on the n810 ? Feb 03 23:19:11 N800 Feb 03 23:19:14 with OS2008 Feb 03 23:19:15 neat Feb 03 23:19:29 it was absolutely gorgeous at the dpi of this screen. Feb 03 23:19:32 ok moonlander sucks Feb 03 23:19:42 if you dont edit the keymap Feb 03 23:21:35 n800 is just as fast as n810, isn't it? Feb 03 23:21:45 Alendit: no Feb 03 23:21:49 ? Feb 03 23:21:52 sure? Feb 03 23:21:52 ! Feb 03 23:22:01 ah sorry. Feb 03 23:22:01 yes Feb 03 23:22:09 link plz Feb 03 23:22:12 For some reason I read "just as fat as..." Feb 03 23:22:22 <_collin_> n8 Feb 03 23:22:22 :) Feb 03 23:22:57 ^^ Feb 03 23:23:16 link to? Feb 03 23:24:22 link to info that n800 is slower than n810 Feb 03 23:24:39 Alendit: it isn't, ignore me :) Feb 03 23:24:40 tuxpuck = shufflepuck Feb 03 23:24:45 its too hard though Feb 03 23:24:46 lol Feb 03 23:24:51 j0, i know, it wasa funny Feb 03 23:24:53 *was Feb 03 23:25:07 anyone got 1gb free space and want to test wikipedia on n800? Feb 03 23:25:12 or n810 Feb 03 23:25:13 ? Feb 03 23:25:23 offline wikipedia = mokopedia Feb 03 23:28:09 does the n800 have IR ? Feb 03 23:28:30 no, it doesn't Feb 03 23:28:42 theres a ir remote here Feb 03 23:28:43 LinuxCode, moonlander prefs - with the onboard i couldnt find the keymap, where is it Feb 03 23:28:44 odd Feb 03 23:28:57 lcuk_2, its tells you in the app Feb 03 23:29:04 ~/.moonlander or so Feb 03 23:29:09 cant recall Feb 03 23:29:12 I had to reboot Feb 03 23:29:14 ;-p Feb 03 23:29:17 i looked but couldnt see it Feb 03 23:29:19 couldnt esc Feb 03 23:29:24 * lcuk_2 is blind Feb 03 23:29:41 fullscreen button works nicely Feb 03 23:29:41 white print bottom screen Feb 03 23:29:44 2/3rd down Feb 03 23:29:50 lcuk_2, it does ? Feb 03 23:29:52 on the N810 ? Feb 03 23:30:27 oh crap yer i think so - quake just started at full volume Feb 03 23:30:32 the missus isnt happy! Feb 03 23:31:33 maemo Feb 03 23:31:55 LinuxCode, yer, escape quits (lower button on front left pad ;) ) Feb 03 23:32:00 maemo Feb 03 23:32:12 didnt here Feb 03 23:32:13 odd Feb 03 23:32:16 maemo Feb 03 23:32:19 * LinuxCode tries again Feb 03 23:32:27 maemo Feb 03 23:32:30 lcuk_2, didnt ou say the new fbreader was borked ? Feb 03 23:32:39 yes but it got updated Feb 03 23:32:43 ahh ok Feb 03 23:32:45 maemo Feb 03 23:32:47 I updated it works Feb 03 23:32:50 so I wondered Feb 03 23:32:57 kohlenmunk, shut up! Feb 03 23:32:58 jesus Feb 03 23:32:59 it now works nicely going forewards on my big books Feb 03 23:33:01 mamo Feb 03 23:33:11 poor Linuxcode Feb 03 23:33:22 backwards is a bit sluggish now Feb 03 23:33:35 but not enough to file a bug report, i cant be sure it was like that before Feb 03 23:33:37 hehe Feb 03 23:33:44 seems ok ish here Feb 03 23:33:54 poor LinuxCode Feb 03 23:35:22 linuxcode: http://www.fbreader.org/mantis/view.php?id=74 Feb 03 23:35:37 lcuk_2, it wont let me get out mate Feb 03 23:35:39 moonlander Feb 03 23:36:01 menu key mate ? Feb 03 23:36:03 why Feb 03 23:36:08 it just let me out a few seconds ago Feb 03 23:36:10 full screen key dont work Feb 03 23:36:13 why Feb 03 23:36:15 escape key Feb 03 23:36:17 left hand side Feb 03 23:36:32 why Feb 03 23:36:38 lcuk_2, am I blond ? Feb 03 23:36:43 where is the esc key lol Feb 03 23:37:05 there are only 2 fudgin buttons on the left hand side, press each one and try ;) Feb 03 23:37:10 WHY Feb 03 23:37:32 lcuk_2, I am lol Feb 03 23:37:37 this thing hates me Feb 03 23:37:38 WHY Feb 03 23:38:01 lol you broked it Feb 03 23:38:05 WHY Feb 03 23:38:28 WHY Feb 03 23:39:04 can somebody remove kohlenmunk ? Feb 03 23:39:11 WHY Feb 03 23:39:15 poor LinuxCode Feb 03 23:39:34 does the n770 have a built in serial port? Feb 03 23:39:42 like inside? or through expansion? Feb 03 23:39:43 Niacin, no Feb 03 23:39:47 usb Feb 03 23:39:51 ohh 770 Feb 03 23:39:53 not sure Feb 03 23:39:56 the n810 doesnt Feb 03 23:39:58 poor LinuxCode Feb 03 23:40:01 ;\ has anyone broken it open and checked? Feb 03 23:40:25 poor LinuxCode Feb 03 23:40:28 lcuk_2, are you on the N800 and you have got an esc key ? Feb 03 23:40:41 poor LinuxCode Feb 03 23:40:45 LinuxCode, it's the curly arrow on the left Feb 03 23:40:52 poor LinuxCode Feb 03 23:41:03 if it doesn't work with a tap hold it down Feb 03 23:41:05 the yen sign ? Feb 03 23:41:14 no, on 810 and i have a brightness sensor, a camera eye, then a home button and finally an escape key Feb 03 23:41:31 LinuxCode, you're on an N800, right? Feb 03 23:41:38 omg Feb 03 23:41:42 theres keys! Feb 03 23:41:44 loool Feb 03 23:41:49 POOR LINUXCODE Feb 03 23:41:51 wtf Feb 03 23:41:56 POOR LINUXCODE Feb 03 23:41:58 the manual didnt mention them Feb 03 23:42:05 POOR LINUXCODE Feb 03 23:42:17 ok so the bottom thing is the esc key ? Feb 03 23:42:20 but you needed one of them to update your flash when you first got it... Feb 03 23:42:31 POOR LINUXCODE Feb 03 23:42:44 hah that *is* ESC Feb 03 23:42:45 nice Feb 03 23:42:46 POOR LINUXCODE Feb 03 23:42:49 POOR LINUXCODE Feb 03 23:42:57 or at least, osso-xterm treats it as ESC Feb 03 23:43:00 POOR LINUXCODE Feb 03 23:43:02 yes Feb 03 23:43:04 POOR LINUXCODE Feb 03 23:43:04 which is good enough for me ;-) Feb 03 23:43:07 POOR LINUXCODE Feb 03 23:43:11 POOR LINUXCODE Feb 03 23:43:11 i use it to exit quake Feb 03 23:43:14 LinuxCode, ok from top to bottom: curly arrow = escape, menu = menu, and home = home Feb 03 23:43:14 POOR LINUXCODE Feb 03 23:43:21 POOR LINUXCODE Feb 03 23:43:24 POOR LINUXCODE Feb 03 23:43:52 POOR LINUXCODE Feb 03 23:43:55 POOR LINUXCODE Feb 03 23:44:21 POOR LINUXCODE Feb 03 23:44:25 POOR LINUXCODE Feb 03 23:44:28 POOR LINUXCODE Feb 03 23:45:14 am i just being totally thick or does ASCII stop way 273? Feb 03 23:45:23 way before 273 Feb 03 23:45:24 POOR LINUXCODE Feb 03 23:45:27 POOR LINUXCODE Feb 03 23:45:30 POOR LINUXCODE Feb 03 23:45:33 POOR LINUXCODE Feb 03 23:45:36 POOR LINUXCODE Feb 03 23:45:38 denny, appreciate it Feb 03 23:45:46 hush. Feb 03 23:45:53 thanks Feb 03 23:46:01 eww, sucky banmask Feb 03 23:46:06 * denny reconfigures x-chat Feb 03 23:46:10 denny, hehe Feb 03 23:46:13 thank you, denny Feb 03 23:46:56 the troll was right tho, it is linuxcode who didnt know about buttons Feb 03 23:47:10 lcuk_2, so the bottom key is esc ? Feb 03 23:47:13 lcuk_2, bahaha Feb 03 23:47:13 yes Feb 03 23:47:19 whats the top key ? Feb 03 23:47:25 system menu Feb 03 23:47:28 ahhh Feb 03 23:47:36 hold it down for a couple of seconds and all programs will be minimised Feb 03 23:47:40 and then id assume the bottom left key is menu ? Feb 03 23:47:43 LinuxCode, you're on an N800, right? Feb 03 23:47:45 quick tap just opens it Feb 03 23:47:49 johnx, N810 mate Feb 03 23:47:53 aaah Feb 03 23:48:17 LinuxCode: the key with the same icon as the title bar is menu, yeah Feb 03 23:48:29 sweet Feb 03 23:48:42 Im sure it didnt mention them in the manual they give you Feb 03 23:48:43 I trust you noticed the fullscreen and +/- buttons ;-) Feb 03 23:48:45 or im blind Feb 03 23:48:51 elb, course Feb 03 23:48:51 the manual doesn't mention a lot of things Feb 03 23:49:02 hence I thought lcuk_2 was taking the piss haha Feb 03 23:49:06 ;-D Feb 03 23:49:08 i almost backed out of this when i saw how few buttons were on the front - i liked the front of the 800 but was desperate for the keyboard Feb 03 23:49:18 it's pretty clearly still a hacker's device Feb 03 23:49:23 lcuk_2, I love the keybaord Feb 03 23:49:30 elb, I kinda agree Feb 03 23:49:34 but it does all I wanted Feb 03 23:49:40 and more is still happeneing Feb 03 23:49:45 its good for some things, but i am getting a bluetooth one in (17) days Feb 03 23:49:55 as long as amsn, xchat, fbreader etc.. work Feb 03 23:49:55 oh, yeah, if you're willing ot futz with it, it's an amazingly powerful idea Feb 03 23:50:08 but the documentation is thin, and a lot of things don't quite Just Work Feb 03 23:50:09 and I can get my email Feb 03 23:50:15 theres still problems I need to sort Feb 03 23:50:26 like syncing with gpesyncd Feb 03 23:50:32 dunno why it wont sync atm Feb 03 23:50:37 it appeared to do it once Feb 03 23:50:42 lcuk_2: I've been trying to decide if a bluetooth keyboard would mean I could not carry a laptop some significant percentage of the time Feb 03 23:50:48 I think with a better terminal application, it would Feb 03 23:51:10 elb, I want bash! Feb 03 23:51:15 LinuxCode: so install bash Feb 03 23:51:17 this ash non-sense Feb 03 23:51:23 elb, true could do Feb 03 23:51:25 the tiny keyboard is perfect for day to day and entering web addresses etc is ok and maybe a few quick mails, but for coding i need a main board Feb 03 23:51:26 it's in maemo hackers or maemo extras or one of those Feb 03 23:51:36 lcuk_2, true Feb 03 23:51:43 for me its mainly a ssh device Feb 03 23:51:50 if something goes wrong on a server Feb 03 23:52:03 and I need to organise Feb 03 23:52:13 which is why I must get gpesyncd sorted ;-| Feb 03 23:52:24 non of you fellas happen to use it ? Feb 03 23:53:02 ours is a jack of all trades, from games to dev to chatting to music to movies *and* its also now our remote control (ive ditched our infra-red one and hacked a TCP pad together Feb 03 23:53:18 lcuk_2, haha Feb 03 23:53:18 i havent configured mail - i use gmail Feb 03 23:53:23 k Feb 03 23:53:27 a little warning Feb 03 23:53:40 if you, by chance, like me have 6000 messages in your inbox Feb 03 23:53:44 N810 != good Feb 03 23:53:45 lol Feb 03 23:53:54 but theres an option to only get the last 10 messages Feb 03 23:54:02 Gmail pop or imap work well Feb 03 23:54:19 LinuxCode: there are several other mail clients which you might find handle that better Feb 03 23:54:20 I need to find out how to kill the email Feb 03 23:54:24 claws, modest, etc. Feb 03 23:54:35 elb, yes I need to experiment Feb 03 23:54:41 LinuxCode, seriously stay away from the built-in email app Feb 03 23:54:49 i need testers Feb 03 23:54:51 I have them installed ..problem is I require certificates Feb 03 23:54:53 ;-| Feb 03 23:55:02 I cant get the damn certs to work Feb 03 23:55:09 johnx, I figured that bit Feb 03 23:55:14 still need to test more Feb 03 23:55:25 Alendit, what would I be testing? Feb 03 23:55:25 its no wonder linuxcode, to get the certs to work you have to hold down the esc key Feb 03 23:55:28 I need to figure how to flash my device to the latest OS2008 build Feb 03 23:55:33 portable wikipedia Feb 03 23:55:37 lcuk_2, you kidding ? Feb 03 23:55:41 yes Feb 03 23:55:44 hahah Feb 03 23:55:50 * LinuxCode smacks lcuk_2 Feb 03 23:55:52 1gb big image that contain whole german wikipedia Feb 03 23:55:57 ;-D Feb 03 23:55:59 LinuxCode: you can install your CA certificate for the system, that might do the job Feb 03 23:56:01 or 3,2gb image with english Feb 03 23:56:07 elb, already did mate Feb 03 23:56:08 that's in the control panel, I think Feb 03 23:56:14 ah alen, its just gone from being w00000t to "oh" - im english so i cant test Feb 03 23:56:16 problem is thawte exports as p12 Feb 03 23:56:22 I converted to pem/crt Feb 03 23:56:30 ahh you can use opessl to ... never mind Feb 03 23:56:32 imported fine..but cant seem to sign email Feb 03 23:57:06 Alendit, I speak german, but I dont see why I would want a german wikipedia ;-| Feb 03 23:57:08 sorry Feb 03 23:57:13 + I have not enough space Feb 03 23:57:22 I still havent ordered the 8GB sdhc card Feb 03 23:57:32 alen, if you had a smaller test version people would be more willing to see Feb 03 23:57:36 3.2GB of poorly researched articles, politically skewed maunderings, and outright lies Feb 03 23:57:39 I'm so excited Feb 03 23:57:43 Alendit, sadly I don't speak German and I don't have 3.2GB of space :( Feb 03 23:57:53 elb, why are you describing my wikipedia page? Feb 03 23:58:03 heh Feb 03 23:58:03 haha Feb 03 23:58:05 ;-} Feb 03 23:58:09 i'll make smaller test image tomorow Feb 03 23:58:14 tomorrow Feb 03 23:58:21 for you who didnt see my warning! Feb 03 23:58:28 does it load from internal browser Feb 03 23:58:31 rss reader applet...dont enable scrolling Feb 03 23:58:33 yes Feb 03 23:58:39 its a battery kiler, cpu killer Feb 03 23:58:42 it runs lighttps daemon Feb 03 23:58:44 and a pain in the arse Feb 03 23:58:46 hehe Feb 03 23:59:39 cool Alendit, when you become happy with system whats the chances of extracting from english DB? Feb 04 00:00:20 or would it be something the user could do. ie follow links given a few base articles and areas of interest Feb 04 00:00:33 well, i'm not the developer of it, i just ported it (quite poorly) from openmoko..and you can use any image of wikipedia Feb 04 00:00:58 "i want to see all supermodel articles which include pictures and links to their playboy pages" Feb 04 00:01:00 just run scripts from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Mokopedia on wiki dump Feb 04 00:01:11 and it has no pictures Feb 04 00:01:22 lcuk_2, glad to see you get your priorities right ;-p Feb 04 00:01:51 http://alendit.blogspot.com/2008/02/mokopedia-wikipedia-in-your-pocket.html Feb 04 00:01:59 no linux thats not my priorities, its just i already have that search result saved, so i can do some ermm fact checking Feb 04 00:02:09 yes, fact checking Feb 04 00:02:25 it's my howto on it, you can try it with some smaller image, just make it with mksquashfs-tools Feb 04 00:02:55 i'll go sleep, cya Feb 04 00:02:56 lcuk_2, i see! Feb 04 00:03:02 nn Alendit Feb 04 00:03:18 wasnt there a competition earlier last year about compressing a wiki extract Feb 04 00:03:49 claws email mmm Feb 04 00:03:51 ahhhh, bit longer - 16th august 2006 Feb 04 00:03:51 http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/08/13/200254 Feb 04 00:03:56 make [citation needed] 1 bit on a huffman tree and you're ahead of the competition Feb 04 00:03:56 no idea how to import certs Feb 04 00:04:16 this whole cert thing will be a problem..I can say so much Feb 04 00:04:18 13th * Feb 04 00:07:23 <|tbb|> alendit any screenshot how it looks like on n8x0 Feb 04 00:07:53 tbb, hes gone, but it should look wikipedia enough just without any images Feb 04 00:08:48 ok, found moonlander keys in scp earlier. tell me if this makes sense: Feb 04 00:08:54 # Enter the ASCII decimal code Feb 04 00:08:54 LEFT=276 Feb 04 00:08:54 <|tbb|> hmmh, so better than the sdict viewer version then Feb 04 00:09:00 im not sure Feb 04 00:09:05 ask him tomorrow Feb 04 00:10:04 ASCII is 7 bit, even 8 bit extended ASCII is still max of 255. how the heck is 276 a valid ASCII code? Feb 04 00:10:34 is it maybe the keycodes for the errm what was it called again Feb 04 00:10:50 lcuk_2, were you here when i made a pipekey ? Feb 04 00:11:00 for the shell Feb 04 00:11:09 lcuk_2, well it's not x11 keycodes... Feb 04 00:11:10 no but i know what you mean Feb 04 00:11:37 you enter them on the console just under the warp manifold just at the other end of that jeffries tube Feb 04 00:12:57 meh I thought I had the key list bookamrked Feb 04 00:12:58 ;-| Feb 04 00:13:20 ive got it somewhere, eyes and fingers just a bit busy at the mom Feb 04 00:13:33 ^ent Feb 04 00:13:57 * lcuk_2 doesnt know how the extra m got in there Feb 04 00:13:59 VK_DOWN Feb 04 00:14:01 VK_UP Feb 04 00:14:03 etc.. Feb 04 00:14:49 for osso-xterm I just omitted the VK_ bit Feb 04 00:15:20 well have you altered your keys for moonlander? if so dig them out and tell me what you have used and what codes they are Feb 04 00:15:28 plz ? Feb 04 00:15:32 hehe no Feb 04 00:15:36 havent Feb 04 00:15:43 but now I can esc Feb 04 00:15:44 then how do you play it Feb 04 00:15:45 hold Feb 04 00:16:03 it says Feb 04 00:16:08 does anyone know why the jffs on nokia devices is mounted though an mtd driver layered on top of an ide device? Feb 04 00:16:10 edit ~/.moon_lander Feb 04 00:16:20 edit ~/.moon_lander_keys Feb 04 00:16:21 _keys Feb 04 00:16:26 yah Feb 04 00:16:27 i have done Feb 04 00:16:29 hachi, IDE device? Feb 04 00:16:43 * LinuxCode starts terminal Feb 04 00:17:15 i see Feb 04 00:17:19 I... thought I was looking at the boot options for maemo on my nokia and it says something like mtd[something]=hda root=/dev/mtd Feb 04 00:17:19 hachi, I'm pretty sure it's an ordinary NAND chip. No IDE interfaces at all inside the tablet I think... Feb 04 00:17:36 hmm, I'll look again, I'm asking this question from memory :\ Feb 04 00:17:46 you have me curious :) Feb 04 00:17:53 I'll look through dmesg Feb 04 00:18:13 where is that held john? Feb 04 00:18:58 lcuk_2, just run dmesg Feb 04 00:19:09 lcuk_2, be nice if we knew the key valuees of the joypad ;-| Feb 04 00:19:29 it holds the kernel messages in a smallish buffer in RAM Feb 04 00:19:34 maybe 64KB at most? Feb 04 00:19:37 johnx: part of why I'm asking is because the mtd website is down and so I can't read all the docs they have up there :) Feb 04 00:20:27 wicked! thanks johnx :) [34471.882812] slide (GPIO 110) is now open Feb 04 00:20:31 hey all, is it possible to configure an n800/os2008 to act as a wifi bridge? Feb 04 00:20:37 between usbnet<->wifi Feb 04 00:20:39 hachi, I'm looking at dmesg but I don't see any references to hda Feb 04 00:20:51 hehe http://lemmini.de/ is almost playable on a n810 :) Feb 04 00:21:16 wow, thats total time since boot on the left hand side isnt it Feb 04 00:22:11 it would appear so Feb 04 00:22:36 as reported by gettimeofday Feb 04 00:22:52 lophyte, is specific kernel support required for bridging? Feb 04 00:22:57 lcuk_2, hey! Feb 04 00:23:02 you know what.. Feb 04 00:23:04 yeah I just saw it in the wiki... Feb 04 00:23:10 have to compile your own kernel modules to do NAT Feb 04 00:23:12 the ascii values were in the list I had Feb 04 00:23:15 from the source Feb 04 00:23:20 but I didnt bookamrk it Feb 04 00:23:22 * LinuxCode googles Feb 04 00:23:27 lophyte, you could do bridging instead I think Feb 04 00:23:35 hmm.. Feb 04 00:23:38 yeah, maybe Feb 04 00:23:47 I don't recall how, I'll have to look it up Feb 04 00:23:52 but you'd have to do lots of scripting when interfaces appeared and went away Feb 04 00:23:57 <|tbb|> anyone knows if the wlan adapter use much power while doing a adhoc connection (not connected to another pc) Feb 04 00:24:07 unless you *need* a bridge, I would do NAT if I were you... Feb 04 00:24:28 johnx: several kernel options required for iptables to bridge or nat Feb 04 00:24:42 |tbb|, I'm pretty sure ad-hoc is a lot more power hungry than infrastructure mode... Feb 04 00:24:54 dphil9000, thanks. that's what I thought Feb 04 00:25:11 Just finished bridging bluetooth to ppp on my laptop Feb 04 00:25:23 <|tbb|> ah k Feb 04 00:25:43 To get the n810 to the net Feb 04 00:25:48 I've never had terribly good results with bridging interfaces that came and went as they pleased...but I'm willing to call it user error... Feb 04 00:25:55 <|tbb|> jott isnt lemmin java based Feb 04 00:26:18 |tbb|: yeah.. Feb 04 00:26:20 it is Feb 04 00:26:36 Actually nat is better than bridge for dynamic interfaces Feb 04 00:26:38 johnx, os2008 has no brctl... Feb 04 00:26:56 no bridging either Feb 04 00:26:57 that's easy enough to get I would assume Feb 04 00:26:59 <|tbb|> java available to chinook Feb 04 00:27:13 lophyte, both should be doable Feb 04 00:27:14 I ended up using nat without brctl Feb 04 00:27:41 dphil9000, aaah. ok. When you said "bridge" I thought you meant "bridge" :P Feb 04 00:27:43 anyone got pictures of the inside of a 770? Feb 04 00:27:57 |tbb|: https://wiki.evolvis.org/jalimo/index.php/Main_Page Feb 04 00:28:10 Wish i could build a custom kernel for the tablet Feb 04 00:28:24 the unstable repository supports swing Feb 04 00:28:52 Niacin, lots of pics on google "nokia 770 disassembly" Feb 04 00:29:11 dphil9000, you can rebuild the Nokia kernel at least with your own options Feb 04 00:29:41 Like iptables and nat? Feb 04 00:29:47 yeah, sure Feb 04 00:29:55 those are easy cause you can build them as modules Feb 04 00:30:10 you just need a scratchbox and nokia's kernel source. Feb 04 00:30:28 yup Feb 04 00:30:31 Then your nat might work, it doesn't need brctl Feb 04 00:30:33 I just don't feel like doing it, lol Feb 04 00:30:49 was hoping there'd be a more simple solution Feb 04 00:31:19 i wonder if there is a vm supporting jazelle Feb 04 00:31:20 Haven't finished setting up scratchbox on gentoo Feb 04 00:31:27 * johnx stabs metalayer-crawler Feb 04 00:31:53 stupid thing, crawlin' all over my system... Feb 04 00:33:51 lcuk_2, click is on now on BBC News 24 Feb 04 00:35:03 <|tbb|> how many watts a n770 will eat when its on full power Feb 04 00:35:20 <|tbb|> is that known Feb 04 00:35:31 <|tbb|> jott thx Feb 04 00:55:02 /msg NickServ help Feb 04 01:07:13 Is anyone live here? Feb 04 01:07:56 somewhat Feb 04 01:08:15 watching superbowl Feb 04 01:10:33 i'm here Feb 04 01:11:10 Cool. I'm looking for a bit of advice on installing the SDK for OS2008. Feb 04 01:11:56 cyberbillp, What's the question? Feb 04 01:12:35 The install file says to install as "root". Yet the script specifically checks and prohibits "root". I'm not sure what to do. Feb 04 01:12:56 sudo fails as "root" users as well. Feb 04 01:14:00 iIRC, one of the scripts needs to be run as root and one needs to be run as a user Feb 04 01:14:52 I'm on step 1. Feb 04 01:15:14 can you link me to the specific guide you're following Feb 04 01:15:25 (it seems like there are a million sdk howtos floating around...) Feb 04 01:15:31 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/4.0/INSTALL.txt Feb 04 01:16:13 I'm actually at step 2.1 which is first for a new install Feb 04 01:16:22 so, "sudo ./maemo-scratchbox-install_4.0.sh" complains that it doesn't want to be run as root? Feb 04 01:16:23 the scratchbox installation needs root privileges and the maemo sdk installation has to be run as user Feb 04 01:17:07 Yes, sudo errors about being root. And it's the scratchbox install script. Feb 04 01:17:53 could you pastebin what you did and the output of it? Feb 04 01:18:15 All of it? Feb 04 01:19:04 [bill@cyberbillp~]$ sudo ./maemo-sdk-install_4.0.sh Feb 04 01:19:05 Password: Feb 04 01:19:05 This script will install maemo SDK 4.0 chinook release to your computer. Feb 04 01:19:05 Install options Feb 04 01:19:05 Do not download or install Nokia EUSA binaries (no) Feb 04 01:19:05 Force remove of existing targets (no) Feb 04 01:19:07 Alternative sources.list ('') Feb 04 01:19:09 Target configuration for armel (CHINOOK_ARMEL) Feb 04 01:19:11 compiler=cs2005q3.2-glibc2.5-arm Feb 04 01:19:13 devkits=perl:debian-etch:maemo3-tools:cputransp Feb 04 01:19:15 cputransp=qemu-arm-0.8.2-sb2 Feb 04 01:19:17 Target configuration for i386 (CHINOOK_X86) Feb 04 01:19:19 pastebin != paste to channel :P.. but ok ;) Feb 04 01:19:19 compiler=cs2005q3.2-glibc2.5-i386 Feb 04 01:19:22 devkits=perl:debian-etch:maemo3-tools Feb 04 01:19:24 Checking for prerequisites Feb 04 01:19:25 -------------------------- Feb 04 01:19:31 wget tool in path... /usr/bin/wget Feb 04 01:19:33 Checking for dpkg tool in path... which: no dpkg in (/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/opt/bin:/usr/local/games:/opt/kde/bin:/usr/lib/qt/bin:/opt/xfce4/bin:.:/usr/X11R6/bin:/opt/xfce4/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/opt/xfce4/bin) Feb 04 01:19:37 not found. Feb 04 01:19:39 Running outside of scratchbox... yes Feb 04 01:19:41 Script not run as user root... no Feb 04 01:19:43 E: This script should NOT be run as user root. Feb 04 01:19:45 oops. Never been big on irc. Feb 04 01:19:47 sorry Feb 04 01:19:57 ~pastebin Feb 04 01:19:58 [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste Feb 04 01:20:11 cyberbillp: you ran the sdk install not the scratchbox install ;) Feb 04 01:20:28 (scratchbox => sudo , sdk => user) Feb 04 01:21:03 cyberbillp, it's ok. Everyone is new to IRC once. :) Feb 04 01:22:56 cyberbillp: and you have to run the scratchbox install first Feb 04 01:23:19 DOH! Feb 04 01:24:14 Thanks tons, I knew it was something stupid I was doing. Feb 04 01:24:26 you're welcome ;) Feb 04 01:24:37 Thanks for the pastebin info too. Feb 04 01:46:29 http://vilunki.wordpress.com/2008/02/04/solution-to-n810-gps-problems/ hmmmm interesting Feb 04 01:50:22 jott, has anyone confirmed this? Feb 04 01:50:36 not yet, but the report sounds plausible Feb 04 01:51:00 (confirmed as in "not me".. ;) Feb 04 01:51:06 will try tomorrow.. Feb 04 01:52:09 nice, let us know. if i knew enough i would attempt myself tonight Feb 04 01:52:25 just install the packages and see if it works ;) Feb 04 01:53:51 http://folks.o-hand.com/jku/osso-gpsd/osso-gpsd_1.0-25_armel.deb Feb 04 01:54:01 just atarting a backup now :) Feb 04 01:54:06 s Feb 04 01:55:56 doesn't that just mean that sync times would only be slow in jan and feb 08? Feb 04 01:56:27 I know the gps was still very slow in december Feb 04 01:57:14 thats maybe what i read and its all one guy giving info and patches and his results may be anecdotal (different location for tests, inteference or other things) Feb 04 01:58:01 its never locked for me when sat on my window sill, so i will install patch and see Feb 04 02:07:43 lcuk_2: as far as i understood this patch will not help for the first fix but only for the following (if it helps at all) Feb 04 02:08:20 i know because if the timing is off then where it thinks each sat is in the sky is incorrect Feb 04 02:08:59 the stored info may still be off until after a full cycle Feb 04 02:09:04 or thats how i read it Feb 04 02:13:34 hopefully quick question : does anyone know where to find libassa for granule? ( os 2008 - n800) Feb 04 02:17:16 I have no idea Feb 04 02:17:21 maybe the one from bora will work? Feb 04 02:17:48 didn't think about trying that one. I found a .deb on sourceforge, but wasn't sure if it was related. Feb 04 02:18:05 what's link to the .deb on sf? Feb 04 02:18:27 http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=63231 Feb 04 02:18:45 (scroll down) Feb 04 02:19:06 it might be Feb 04 02:19:33 there's only two things that end in "armel.deb" : packages for maemo and packages for debian armel Feb 04 02:20:18 eh, what would it hurt - I can try it and see if it works. I could just wipe & re-install if it goes south. Feb 04 02:20:28 go for it. :) Feb 04 02:20:30 tell me how it works Feb 04 02:20:41 * johnx should really start using a flash card program to study Feb 04 02:21:57 okay - I'll try it in a bit & let you know. Feb 04 02:36:46 incompatible application package. Feb 04 02:36:49 bummer. Feb 04 02:40:08 lame Feb 04 02:41:32 back in a bit Feb 04 02:41:39 have to flash BIOS :| Feb 04 02:42:46 good luck Feb 04 02:46:20 gotta reboot. My /tmp was to small (tmpfs) to install scratchbox. Thanks again for the help. Feb 04 02:59:42 anyone a expert on kdrive **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Feb 04 02:59:57 2008