**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Feb 07 02:59:57 2008 Feb 07 03:00:31 What's some of the things that bug you? Feb 07 03:02:40 The builtin email app sucks. Feb 07 03:03:07 There's no good harrd case for the unit. Feb 07 03:03:18 esworp, for email you should really use modest... Feb 07 03:03:21 I ment, for lefties. Feb 07 03:03:35 ah Feb 07 03:03:44 Well. I like modest, but it isn't integrated. Feb 07 03:04:11 it can autocheck mail which is all I really care about Feb 07 03:04:30 it will be so nice when they finally kill off the old email app and we can all just forget about it... Feb 07 03:04:30 Using built-in stuff always bothers me Feb 07 03:04:50 For lefties: when stylus texting, the suggested words show up where i would normally hit the space bar. Feb 07 03:05:32 Scroll bars should be able to hop over, as should the side menu thingy Feb 07 03:06:05 Scrolling a page or doc stinks, since my hand is in the way. Feb 07 03:06:06 the sidebar with the icon-menus might be possible to swtich with some amount of work Feb 07 03:06:22 I don't see how to do scroll bars Feb 07 03:06:40 a left handed kernel would be nice lol Feb 07 03:06:48 * johnx actually rarely uses a stylus Feb 07 03:07:03 Heh. Feb 07 03:07:09 If I had one, I honestly doubt I'd use a stylus too Feb 07 03:07:12 so I end up using it in an 'ambidextrous' style where whatever thumb is closest gets to type/click Feb 07 03:07:21 no stylus here either :) Feb 07 03:07:21 I never use it for mah DS, too lazy. Feb 07 03:09:22 The gpe stuff seems to expect a stylus. Feb 07 03:09:29 yeah Feb 07 03:09:36 I admit that I don't use it much Feb 07 03:09:50 (all the GPE stuff came from devices where stylus was pretty much required) Feb 07 03:10:25 Sure. And i forgive them. Feb 07 03:11:00 i use the stylus i know any guy who cant preform with his fingers is in trouble but thats the way it goes Feb 07 03:11:11 heh Feb 07 04:15:48 <|R> anyone having trouble with mnotify (on n800) and gmail notifier (normal pc firefox) lately? Feb 07 04:16:11 <|R> i just upgraded gmail notifier and got my login to work again but both failed at the same time and dist-upgrade doesn't show a fix for mnotify Feb 07 04:55:43 johnx: hey, do you have openoffice working on your debian port? Feb 07 05:28:02 is there a notetaking applet for os2008? Feb 07 05:28:27 notes or meamopad+ Feb 07 05:28:57 either will live on the desktop? Feb 07 05:29:12 neither Feb 07 05:29:23 oh Feb 07 05:30:17 hoping for something that would have a desktop applet Feb 07 06:18:18 hi Feb 07 07:05:32 * tin_ tries to figure out how an n810 can have 1.5g of files on /media/mmc2 but still have 1.9G out of 1.9G free Feb 07 08:12:33 Free cluster summary wrong (999596 vs. really 192100) Feb 07 08:12:41 slight difference there Feb 07 08:25:55 Morning all. Feb 07 08:26:36 how do you get the ip address on an n800 (with os 2008. I also have xterm installed. I tried ifconfig, but that doesn't exist) Feb 07 08:26:54 ipconfig Feb 07 08:27:09 also not there Feb 07 08:27:13 douthat: menu -> settings -> connection manager Feb 07 08:27:46 douthat: /sbin/ifconfig Feb 07 08:28:00 douthat: Then open the menu in connection manager, internet connection -> IP address Feb 07 08:28:01 it only says WLAN, signal strench, "connected" received, sent duration Feb 07 08:28:35 b0unc3: X-Fade: thanks :) Feb 07 09:11:51 * tin_ files bug #2906 Feb 07 09:12:17 * Proteous takes away tin_'s file Feb 07 09:13:30 heh Feb 07 09:14:06 tin_: cute Feb 07 09:14:15 * timely would have thought they'd have fixed those problems before ship Feb 07 09:14:17 * timely sighs Feb 07 09:15:13 tin_: is this the difference between 2000MB and 2048MB? :) Feb 07 09:15:20 that'd be really amusing :) Feb 07 09:15:25 timely: Hmm it doesn't look like that can be fixed with a firmware upgrade.. Feb 07 09:15:59 timely: i don't think it's quite that neat Feb 07 09:16:05 tin_: are you sure? Feb 07 09:16:25 it seems fairly close Feb 07 09:16:47 http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%284013848-3932160%29%2F2%2F1000&btnG=Search Feb 07 09:16:48 tin_: I think you can fix it with fdisk. But I agree that it is pretty bad.. Feb 07 09:16:51 morning Feb 07 09:16:52 40 ~ 48 Feb 07 09:19:43 4014079 * 512 == 2055208448 !== Disk /dev/sda: 2013 MB, 2013265920 bytes Feb 07 09:20:47 4194304 512-byte blocks would be exactly 4GB in the (1024*1024) sense Feb 07 09:22:48 * timely wonders what the other 225 are doing :) Feb 07 09:23:34 ;D Feb 07 09:23:38 err Feb 07 09:24:11 180,225 Feb 07 09:26:50 I wouldn't mind finding out that they have added a 16GB flash instead if 2GB ;) But I guess that will be a dream.. Feb 07 09:27:10 they don't seem to have more than 8gb flashes around Feb 07 09:27:21 see n81 8gb, n95 8gb, n810 8gb, ... Feb 07 09:27:37 but it's a fairly silly gimmic imo Feb 07 09:27:38 Yeah, seen those too.. Feb 07 09:27:47 you've seen that last one? :) Feb 07 09:28:02 timely: Can't comment on that.. Feb 07 09:28:51 Morning, all Feb 07 09:28:54 hi Feb 07 09:29:11 * timely just really sees no reason for nokia to try to get into the memory card business Feb 07 09:29:14 8gb would be nice indeed Feb 07 09:29:20 * timely disagrees Feb 07 09:29:25 arg Feb 07 09:29:32 timely: why? Feb 07 09:29:41 Although 2 removable cards would be a lot better :) Feb 07 09:29:44 hrw: because nokia gave me an n81 8gb Feb 07 09:29:55 timely: and? Feb 07 09:30:01 and i added 2.5g of map data in a couple of hours, and then 4gb of songs overnight Feb 07 09:30:07 and then my phone was full Feb 07 09:30:14 at which point, i can no longer do anything Feb 07 09:30:16 no upgrade path Feb 07 09:30:25 otoh, if i had an n81 w/ a slot Feb 07 09:30:33 timely: 8gb instead of 2gb would be nice anyway Feb 07 09:30:37 i could later *buy* a 16gb micro sd card Feb 07 09:30:56 sure Feb 07 09:31:02 hrw: maybe, i can't comment on that, but feel free to ask nokian's in 2009 how they feel about that Feb 07 09:31:09 ;D Feb 07 09:31:19 * timely suspects they'll agree that 8gb really isn't worth it Feb 07 09:32:27 timely: many of them will change phone in 2009 Feb 07 09:32:50 keep in mind that you can't install software onto the 2gb partition Feb 07 09:33:33 Not without some hacks.. Feb 07 09:33:36 now, it's true, someone could repartition a card so it had an ext2 volume Feb 07 09:33:45 but it still wouldn't help Feb 07 09:33:59 because a package will naturally install to directories under the standard paths Feb 07 09:34:02 timely: format card into ext2/ext3 and symlink /usr/ to it Feb 07 09:34:10 and trying to relocate things would be painful Feb 07 09:34:10 using some symbolic links etc you could, I guess Feb 07 09:34:20 yes, symlinks aren't impossible Feb 07 09:34:26 but there are all sorts of hazards Feb 07 09:34:41 it's painful that's true Feb 07 09:34:48 can you even safely move /usr while the device is running? Feb 07 09:34:56 well not entire usr Feb 07 09:34:59 * timely would bet it would die a very unhappy and instant death Feb 07 09:35:07 I'd suggest only moving and symlinking the files of the package Feb 07 09:35:13 not the entire usr :') Feb 07 09:35:38 it probably won't even boot anymore then Feb 07 09:35:40 wumpus: how, a global preinstall hook that creates symlinks into /media/native1/usr/package_name/lib ? Feb 07 09:35:53 timeless: sounds nice Feb 07 09:35:56 *before* the install process runs Feb 07 09:35:59 * timely pondersd Feb 07 09:36:04 it might not be entirely impossible Feb 07 09:36:05 or switch to boot from mmc Feb 07 09:36:08 but boy, that's scary Feb 07 09:36:17 well I'd just do it after Feb 07 09:36:40 wumpus: try that w/a 1/4gb app :) Feb 07 09:36:48 you're assuming that it's possible to make it install Feb 07 09:36:53 otoh, that'd probably fail anyway Feb 07 09:37:07 because i'd expect apt-* to say "hrm, i don't think there's enough space here" Feb 07 09:37:23 because, how would it know that things would be diverted Feb 07 09:37:34 well, apt stuff is open source Feb 07 09:37:41 sure Feb 07 09:37:43 so I guess you could just patch it to install to your alternative path Feb 07 09:37:48 so is hildon-application-manager Feb 07 09:37:49 and even make the symlinks itself Feb 07 09:38:10 have fun :) Feb 07 09:38:15 * timely prefers QNX's approach Feb 07 09:38:16 I wonder why they did not added that 2GB as normal flash Feb 07 09:38:23 packages are delivered as joinable file systems Feb 07 09:38:30 well I never felt the need to install such big apps on the device Feb 07 09:38:58 when I start to need, I might consider it Feb 07 09:39:03 hrw: the goal is to support plugging into windows boxes Feb 07 09:39:21 the biggest packages I've seen are some games, but those usually have configurable paths for the data files Feb 07 09:39:21 that 256M flash comes from cpu core so thats why they use it Feb 07 09:39:39 timely: many of nokia goals are insane ;D Feb 07 09:39:41 wumpus: how big are eclipse and openoffice? :) Feb 07 09:39:47 hrw: no comment Feb 07 09:40:16 eclipse haha, you'd first have to install java too Feb 07 09:40:26 actually Feb 07 09:40:29 timely: I am very dissapointed about lack of any i18n support Feb 07 09:40:29 * timely ponders Feb 07 09:40:33 java might not need -x Feb 07 09:40:37 hrw: eh? Feb 07 09:40:40 in what? Feb 07 09:40:47 the browser supports it if you install fonts Feb 07 09:40:47 but who the hell would want to run eclipse on it Feb 07 09:40:52 or openoffice for that matter Feb 07 09:41:19 if you start it it'd probably finished initializing by next week :) Feb 07 09:41:40 hey, i remember people who talked about bsd's where the install process took weeks Feb 07 09:41:41 timely: try to install own hardware keyboard layout Feb 07 09:41:51 timely: or virtual keyboard Feb 07 09:42:03 hrw: istr someone had a hebrew layout for the device Feb 07 09:42:25 timely: which replace one of available ones Feb 07 09:42:32 > Copy the file he_IL.vkb from http://www.arava.co.il/matan/770/heb/he_IL.vkb to /usr/share/keyboards. Then he_IL is added to the list of available languages for the keyboard. Feb 07 09:42:46 hrw: really? Feb 07 09:43:28 * timely eyes a Nokia vista logo Feb 07 09:43:47 (my 770 has an interesting splash screen) Feb 07 09:43:59 ok, then maybe virtual ones are better Feb 07 09:44:33 i haven't looked at the hardware layouts Feb 07 09:44:38 i'm fairly certain i really don't want to Feb 07 09:45:36 timely: you live in .fi so you have the luck to be supported Feb 07 09:45:47 um Feb 07 09:45:51 * timely works for nokia Feb 07 09:46:01 * timely isn't sure about considering .fi as a lucky thing Feb 07 09:46:24 timely: dont tell that you work on control panel i18n parts Feb 07 09:46:39 fwiw, it took nokia longer to get n810s for its employees than it did to get them to 95% of the 500 maemo awardies Feb 07 09:46:57 timely: Will visit .fi next week ;) Feb 07 09:47:05 timely: he means it. don't tell him that :) Feb 07 09:47:09 timely: I decided to not comment maemo dev program Feb 07 09:48:24 hrw: i work on browser, http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/5/ Feb 07 09:48:29 jku: ? Feb 07 09:49:37 timely, hrw has been a bit grumpy about the i18n situation on maemo... Feb 07 09:49:56 it basically suxx Feb 07 09:50:29 hrw: it could be worse Feb 07 09:50:42 timely: lack of i18n would be better Feb 07 09:50:43 you could look at how the IMEs interact w/ the browser Feb 07 09:50:53 now, that's a crime Feb 07 09:52:00 ? Feb 07 09:52:47 hrw: ever used japanese IMEs w/ firefox Feb 07 09:53:22 i was using one yesterday, i think i was in katakana input mode Feb 07 09:53:40 basically in this mode, you can type a couple of letters before a character is sent to an application Feb 07 09:53:41 hi all! Feb 07 09:54:01 and it basically just works in firefox Feb 07 09:54:08 but from my understanding of what we've done Feb 07 09:54:25 instead of having the IMEs that maemo uses (esp the ones that have completion) use this feature Feb 07 09:54:37 <|tbb|> morning Feb 07 09:54:41 we collect "keypresses" from them, and try to "inject" them into places Feb 07 09:54:48 based on where we think they can go Feb 07 09:54:59 if we get the logic wrong, you can't type at all, into e.g., gmail Feb 07 09:56:25 timely: to tell the true I do not care too much how it is done if it works Feb 07 09:56:45 timely: thats why Polish hardware keyboard layout will replace Finnish one Feb 07 10:01:53 bon dia / good morning Feb 07 10:06:37 hrw: well, "it doesn't work" Feb 07 10:08:14 how would you guys wipe your sd-cards? just little tha card doesn't broke but enough that not every home undele return files? Feb 07 10:11:17 hahlo: just write junk data to the card Feb 07 10:11:44 cat /dev/zero > the card's device Feb 07 10:12:17 pupnik_: that easier than full wipe? Feb 07 10:12:44 i don't understand Feb 07 10:12:55 wipe is program Feb 07 10:13:00 with some forethought, all you have to do is delete your encryption key... Feb 07 10:13:25 pupnik_: won't that fail for the case where sectors are rewritten/moved? Feb 07 10:13:29 you do wipe -kq /dev/sdaX Feb 07 10:14:21 timely: possibly yes if you have multiple partitions Feb 07 10:14:49 hahlo: well, i don't think a hard disk wiping program makes sense for flash memory Feb 07 10:15:04 * timely suggests an em pulse or acid Feb 07 10:15:07 acid is probably cheaper Feb 07 10:15:08 yeah that I ment Feb 07 10:15:09 pupnik: wear leveling makes it nearly impossible to wipe a flash device Feb 07 10:15:14 too hard Feb 07 10:15:19 firecracker is cheapest Feb 07 10:18:51 chewing and digesting is even cheaper (it may even saves you one meal) Feb 07 10:19:22 is the gold safe? Feb 07 10:20:27 j0tt, ah, you're here. Quick question: Do you remember what you had to copy over from ITOS to get the buttons working in X? I must be being dense about this or something, but I still can't figure it out... Feb 07 10:21:09 johnx: erm.. did not work out a proper solution. it helped to restart dbus and hal. Feb 07 10:21:23 but you said something about dbus and xkb? Feb 07 10:23:06 hello Feb 07 10:23:14 erm.. yeah you need the xkbdata deb from os2008 Feb 07 10:23:22 and.. Feb 07 10:23:42 hi Romeus Feb 07 10:23:47 so I managed to get my Saitek P880 gamepad working with gngeo and snes9x :) Feb 07 10:24:07 no need for a hub either which is nice :) Feb 07 10:24:53 is anybody working on DrPocketSNES or picodrive (cyclone)? if so what's the status? Feb 07 10:25:28 johnx: i guess /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/10-xkb.fdi Feb 07 10:25:42 ah! great Feb 07 10:26:04 (afair there is a *keyboard.fdi in the default debian hal that has a similar rule so i guess this has to be removed) Feb 07 10:26:17 or extended by the stuff in there Feb 07 10:26:37 Feb 07 10:26:45 basically this match i guess Feb 07 10:26:46 anyway to get gngeo to play completely full screen (without the screen buttons)? Feb 07 10:26:47 I think it just tricked me because it was called vkb... Feb 07 10:27:42 ah i needed to call setxkbmap after restarting hal.. ..but i guess this are all clear pieces of the puzzle ;) Feb 07 10:28:15 j0tt, any clue helps :) Feb 07 10:28:16 (for getting the correct layout eg. Fn keys working but that only applies to N810) Feb 07 10:29:06 still not clear why the keyboard seems to be registered so late (as the restart if hal/dbus helped) Feb 07 10:29:12 of Feb 07 10:42:21 morning Feb 07 10:42:26 mornin' Feb 07 10:42:36 g'morning Feb 07 10:42:55 lots of people awake today :) Feb 07 10:43:36 * lardman heads out on a quest for caffeine Feb 07 11:00:42 morning Feb 07 11:10:25 hi Feb 07 11:35:35 anyone using qt4/qmake in maemo-sdk vmware? Feb 07 11:38:34 hrw: the maemo https repo is complaining when bitbake tries to download a file for fonctconfig, is it possible to add an extra command to the wget (or whatever it is) command that bitbake uses? Feb 07 11:39:18 lardman: broken ssl certificate one? Feb 07 11:40:29 lardman: redefine FETCHCOMMAND_wget and RESUMECOMMAND_wget in local.conf (take original ones from bitbake.conf) Feb 07 11:50:39 hrw: no it says something about if you want anonymous downloads to add some switch to the command Feb 07 11:50:48 hrw: thanks I'll take a look at those Feb 07 11:51:16 lardman: you mean svn repos? Feb 07 12:00:34 hrw: no it's an https download Feb 07 12:01:08 http://www.openembedded.org/repo/org.openembedded.dev/packages/fontconfig/fontconfig_2.4.1.bb Feb 07 12:01:22 SRC_URI += "https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/fontconfig/device_symbols.h" Feb 07 12:01:48 well there's something svn in there, but the download isn't done using svn Feb 07 12:01:59 or is it? Feb 07 12:02:09 lardman: redefine FETCHCOMMAND_wget and RESUMECOMMAND_wget in local.conf (take original ones from bitbake.conf) then Feb 07 12:02:23 lardman: or fetch by hand and put in dl_dir Feb 07 12:02:30 ok, will do (I just downloaded and created the .md5 file for the time being) Feb 07 12:02:35 ah yes Feb 07 12:02:48 ~lart maemo.org for using crap SSL certificate Feb 07 12:02:49 * infobot puts maemo.org through a wood chipper for using crap SSL certificate Feb 07 12:02:59 :) Feb 07 12:04:02 ~lart lazy people for not making up good punishments themselves Feb 07 12:04:02 * infobot send killer squirrels to attack lazy people for not making up good punishments themselves Feb 07 12:08:18 ~lart maemo for crappy i18n support Feb 07 12:08:19 * infobot says "boot to the head" and knocks maemo over for crappy i18n support Feb 07 12:08:27 ~botsnack Feb 07 12:08:28 :), hrw Feb 07 12:10:31 hi all Feb 07 12:20:33 jku: that itt discussion would be much easier online Feb 07 12:21:02 lardman, oh yeah Feb 07 12:24:48 I wonder if my iBlue GPS produces almanac data... Feb 07 12:25:00 then we could compare that data with the contents of nvd_data Feb 07 12:26:59 no, it appears not Feb 07 12:27:26 I believe my Nokia LD-3W does not -- not surprising as it's not useful for 99.999% of users Feb 07 12:28:36 I have a serial gps from a long while back, trying to remember the name, that had lots of config options iirc Feb 07 12:28:56 nice to be 0.001% :) Feb 07 12:33:50 hmm, haicom 203 sounds familiar Feb 07 12:36:16 nope, it doesn't do it either :( Feb 07 12:39:00 but even if the almanac doesn't come out as a standard NMEA sentance, it could be triggered by one of the proprietary commands Feb 07 12:39:21 That appears to be the case for this Garmin: http://www8.garmin.com/support/pdf/NMEA_0183.pdf Feb 07 12:39:28 p7 Feb 07 12:41:49 jku: regarding your GPS fix, I don't know if this is of any use, but there's one thing that for sure is working differently Feb 07 12:42:29 jku: with your fix, the sky map in maemo mapper gps details showed the last known satellites positions correctly Feb 07 12:42:52 with the original version, it does not, it's blank every time Feb 07 12:43:01 until it got the fix Feb 07 12:43:41 the gps_last_fixed_position file (is that name right) contains the fix information that is displayed, it may also contain the satellite info Feb 07 12:45:05 is this file written by gpsd? Feb 07 12:47:06 lardman, that's what Jukka R said Feb 07 12:47:33 but that file is not fed to the chip Feb 07 12:48:23 It's basically one of the gpsd structures written to disk I believe Feb 07 12:48:41 right, and available from liblocation IIRC. Feb 07 12:48:43 he did say that the nvd_data file contains the almanac/ephemeris though Feb 07 12:48:54 or perhaps didn't say, hinted Feb 07 12:49:24 did you see my last post? I imagine that the almanac data is constantly updated to produce a smaller set of ephemeris alterations, but don't know Feb 07 12:50:52 possible Feb 07 12:54:21 hi Feb 07 12:57:46 interesting technical details: http://www.gmat.unsw.edu.au/snap/gps/gps_survey/principles_gps.htm Feb 07 13:01:02 ah ha, historical almanac data: http://www.arinc.com/gps/gpshistory/ looks like it changes from day to day Feb 07 13:27:35 i feel bad for the miscommuications with the nokia stores Feb 07 13:28:01 pupnik: nokia stores... argh Feb 07 13:28:30 apparently they charged 0 euro in france and germany but meant to charge 99 euro Feb 07 13:28:34 but that's not my mistake Feb 07 13:28:54 people which have no idea which nokia products exists Feb 07 13:29:26 and add to that fragmentation of market done by nokia Feb 07 13:29:39 'we do not plan to sell tablets in your country' Feb 07 13:29:40 etc Feb 07 13:29:46 :/ Feb 07 13:29:59 which country hrw? Feb 07 13:30:12 Poland Feb 07 13:41:59 Gah, I get Inconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c: 1192: dl_main: Assertion `(void *) ph->p_vaddr == _rtld_local._dl_sysinfo_dso' failed! when I run scratchbox :( Feb 07 13:42:26 Navi, sudo sh -c 'echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled' Feb 07 13:43:26 Works :D Feb 07 13:43:32 * Navi praises inz Feb 07 13:44:18 ~curse n810 flas method Feb 07 13:44:19 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, n810 flas method ! Feb 07 13:44:46 hrw, what's wrong with the method for flashing the N810? Feb 07 13:45:06 their is an "onboard" flasher as well IIRC, Feb 07 13:45:16 johnx: it is "plug usb, poweroff, hold home, connect power" - right? Feb 07 13:45:36 right, but I don't think you actually need to hold home these days Feb 07 13:45:59 and you don't need to connect power either, I think Feb 07 13:46:11 yes, that too Feb 07 13:46:31 and you do not get any information that device reponds Feb 07 13:46:52 ?? Feb 07 13:47:01 flasher prints out diagnostics and progress Feb 07 13:47:03 hrw, what do you mean? Feb 07 13:47:15 at least my n810 stays black in such situation or I am doing something wrong Feb 07 13:47:40 ahh, on the device. You may be right Feb 07 13:47:42 The N810 should turn on and show the "USB" symbol in the upper right corner of the screen Feb 07 13:47:53 at least my N800 does Feb 07 13:47:58 johnx: I know - I flashed it twice Feb 07 13:48:09 and it didn't show anything?! Feb 07 13:48:11 that's pretty weird Feb 07 13:48:30 but my n810 also likes to not power on after power off and like to not show 'charging' when is off and charger is connected Feb 07 13:48:38 hrw: you got power connected? Feb 07 13:48:45 lardman|home: yes Feb 07 13:49:01 hmm, sounds not too good Feb 07 13:49:14 now I took battery off, wait, inserted, connected power and wait until it react with 'charging' info Feb 07 13:49:44 lardman|home: (not too good)^2 due to fact that tablets are not supported here (Poland) Feb 07 13:49:47 hi, are there ekiga like on maemo ? Feb 07 13:49:53 I've n800 with 2007 OS Feb 07 13:49:56 I would go with: unplug power (so that is really does switch off); switch off; plug usb; plug power; hey presto Feb 07 13:50:41 hrw: is your battery very low? Feb 07 13:50:43 I had to patch the flasher to get it to work on Ubunty Feisty/Hardy.. Feb 07 13:50:44 harobed, the built in messaging system supports SIP Feb 07 13:51:15 harobed, err, on 2007 you need the rtcom update to get SIP support Feb 07 13:52:08 Is sb-menu supposed to look like it hangs when I run it? Feb 07 13:52:09 lardman|home: it was charging for quite long time so should not be Feb 07 13:52:11 how can I press number key ? Feb 07 13:52:31 rtcom ? ok Feb 07 13:52:37 Holding home was actually never a requirement of the flashing process. Feb 07 13:52:48 It may just make the timing a little easier. Feb 07 13:53:06 N810: Now plug in the charger to switch on the N810 or switch it on using the power button WHILE holding the Home-button Feb 07 13:53:13 http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_flashlatestnokiaimagewithlinux/ Feb 07 13:53:23 so let someone edit that page to make it clear Feb 07 13:53:26 GeneralAntilles: You sure; I thought that if the device had not actually switched off (kernel running due to charging) that pressing the home key was required to get the kernel to restart Feb 07 13:53:29 harobed, the 2007 information doesn't seem to be on the webpage (http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org) anymore Feb 07 13:53:57 OK, if you follow the flashing instructions and unplug it and turn it off. ;) Feb 07 13:54:04 harobed, this is probably the deb you need to install: http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org/deb/osso-rtcom-installer_0.2_armel.deb Feb 07 13:54:18 how can I backup all data of my n800 before upgrade it to OS2008 ? Feb 07 13:54:21 Then it's, start flasher, plug in USB, turn on. Feb 07 13:54:28 With the Backup/Restore tool. Feb 07 13:54:43 But restoring backed up settings from OS2007 can have ill effects. Feb 07 13:54:57 Mostly to do with Opera -> MicroB Feb 07 13:55:07 looks like it will have to wait until I go to UK next time Feb 07 13:55:17 hrw, holding home isn't a bad step Feb 07 13:55:18 Backup/Restore tool can do backup to usb storage ? (linux) Feb 07 13:55:23 it's just not really a necessary one. Feb 07 13:55:41 as Polish official Nokia service at least once refused to repair n800 Feb 07 13:55:52 hrw: Someone's fiddled with the dbus urls Feb 07 13:55:54 I hardly see how holding one extra button could be construed as something to split hairs over. Feb 07 13:56:16 lardman|home: report bug? Feb 07 13:56:28 hrw: will do Feb 07 13:56:39 harobed, the backup tool does backup onto a memory card Feb 07 13:56:39 lardman|home: best will be with patch of course ;D Feb 07 13:56:53 yeah Feb 07 13:56:58 :) Feb 07 13:58:07 one more question then Feb 07 13:58:50 how much time should n810 spend between 'put battery back, put cover, plug charger' and 'give info on screen that charging is in progress'? Feb 07 13:59:29 30 seconds-ish? Feb 07 13:59:31 anything up to ~10s I'd say Feb 07 13:59:37 30s sounds ok too Feb 07 13:59:49 what would you say on 3 minutes and nothing? Feb 07 14:00:00 probably unprintable Feb 07 14:00:06 will it boot? Feb 07 14:00:13 sounds like some of the other power problems people have been having... Feb 07 14:00:33 lardman|home: no reaction to power key Feb 07 14:00:48 <|tbb|> lardman, is it you with the gpsfix which is on maemo.org Feb 07 14:01:20 |tbb|: no Feb 07 14:01:25 |tbb|: you got an url for that? Feb 07 14:01:33 hrw: doesn't sound too good Feb 07 14:01:33 johnx: bug 2673 one? Feb 07 14:01:47 lardman|home: I know Feb 07 14:01:50 * johnx hasn't had that problem, but looks anyways Feb 07 14:01:56 lardman|home: all works ok until device is off Feb 07 14:02:05 lardman|home: then it can take hours to get it on Feb 07 14:02:52 lardman|home: my few years old Zaurus with nearly dead battery works better Feb 07 14:03:31 to install rtcomm, I need evolution-data-server (=1.4.2.1.r554-3) Feb 07 14:03:32 hrw: It seems that that is a timing error problem in the bootloader.. Feb 07 14:03:36 hrw, heck my collie works better. :) Feb 07 14:03:37 where can I get it ? Feb 07 14:04:04 hrw: There's talk of this on ITT, though I've not looked at it at all Feb 07 14:04:20 hrw: where was the device from? which country? Feb 07 14:04:26 lardman|home: UK Feb 07 14:04:31 hrw, yes, that bug is the one I was thinking of and a thread on ITT that the bug references Feb 07 14:04:37 hardware version 0805 or 0806 Feb 07 14:05:03 hrw: well if you decide to get Nokia to look at it I'm happy to be the intermediary Feb 07 14:05:40 tell me how to set usbnetworking . n800 <--->winxp my os is maemo 2008 Feb 07 14:06:22 i am trying to connect for three day Feb 07 14:06:22 <|tbb|> lardman: http://vilunki.wordpress.com/2008/02/06/i-failed/ Feb 07 14:06:50 hmm, mine's build 0801 Feb 07 14:07:00 i dont know it at all...... Feb 07 14:07:19 |tbb|: that's jku Feb 07 14:07:57 <|tbb|> will this fix help for anything Feb 07 14:08:30 |tbb|: the leap year fix, but not the lock times Feb 07 14:09:40 hrw: patch to bug tracker or mailing list? Feb 07 14:10:00 bugtracker Feb 07 14:10:04 k Feb 07 14:12:01 hi Rodrigo Feb 07 14:12:17 I have a hardware revision 0805 and no power problems. Feb 07 14:15:12 yet.... :) Feb 07 14:15:39 Hehe ;) At least I know it is a race condition ;) Feb 07 14:15:46 Anyone fancy hosting an EO built repo? Feb 07 14:15:53 OE even Feb 07 14:15:53 You can always put the device in the freezer to fix it.. Feb 07 14:16:09 This cracks me up: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=139397&postcount=10 Feb 07 14:20:28 * johnx installs xscreensaver on his tablet Feb 07 14:21:31 * mwaldron looked at the iTouch. Looked at the 810. My 810 arrives tomorrow. Feb 07 14:21:33 * lardman|home wonders if the battery will last 30mins :) Feb 07 14:22:25 johnx, now you can drain your battery watchin pertty savers! Feb 07 14:22:40 I'll just have it run on ac only Feb 07 14:22:52 should be possible to get that info out of dbus without too much of a fight Feb 07 14:23:09 we need a seti@home client Feb 07 14:23:15 ahahaha Feb 07 14:23:27 I ran distributed.net on both my zauruses for a while Feb 07 14:23:28 heh Feb 07 14:24:44 I wonder how many n8x0 will not be able to be flashed with fixed images Feb 07 14:26:27 anyone out there who has just done, or can do a quick gps fix? Feb 07 14:26:32 on an n810 that is Feb 07 14:26:42 morning/g'day all, what's the easy way to keep contacts synced with Thunderbird addressbook? n800 with os2008, stock contacts at the mo but will tru gpe if easy Feb 07 14:26:56 I'd like to compare the nvd_data files created at the same time but different locations Feb 07 14:26:59 lardman|home: when mine will power I can put it near window to get fix Feb 07 14:27:21 hrw: the battery on mine will probably go flat before it gets a fix ;D Feb 07 14:27:23 lardman|home: I'll start now :) Feb 07 14:27:35 X-Fade: thanks, where are you? Feb 07 14:27:41 lardman|home: NL Feb 07 14:27:57 X-Fade: cool, just about far enough away from the UK Feb 07 14:28:23 though it would be interesting to get a fix from someone else in the UK who's seeing the same satellites Feb 07 14:28:58 lardman|home: Yeah, but maybe you can still find some things that are the same. Feb 07 14:30:02 X-Fade: yep, almanac should be the same everywhere Feb 07 14:30:40 macromedia-flashplayer stopped working in microb on my n810. Web sites no longer detect flash installed. Can i debug the issue? The app info in application manager says it can't be ininstalled due to dependencies. Feb 07 14:31:04 Uninstalled Feb 07 14:31:23 dphil9000: start it from the command line and look for output? Feb 07 14:31:40 Command? Feb 07 14:32:57 lardman|home: Rolf was faster then me with dbus patch ;D Feb 07 14:33:26 thanks to both :) Feb 07 14:33:55 dphil9000: no idea, take a look in the .desktop file, or start it and then see what it's called using ps from the command line, etc. Feb 07 14:34:50 I completely forgot about webcollage :D Feb 07 14:35:16 this is the greatest screensaver for the N8x0 ever when it's just sitting on a desk charging Feb 07 14:35:25 Ok found /usr/bin/browser Feb 07 14:35:32 <|tbb|> dbus patch? have i missed something? Feb 07 14:35:38 * lardman|home is building driftnet and ever hopeful it will work Feb 07 14:35:49 |tbb|: for OpenEmbedded Feb 07 14:36:10 |tbb|: For the OE metadata which I'm using to build debs for the n810 Feb 07 14:36:12 |tbb|: OE fetch sources from upstream not from source archive Feb 07 14:36:56 No errors, youtube just has the no flash player message on the page Feb 07 14:37:04 ~curse QA nokia division Feb 07 14:37:05 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, QA nokia division ! Feb 07 14:37:30 * lardman|home has 4 satellites... Feb 07 14:37:30 It's like it's not finding the .so plugin Feb 07 14:37:45 dphil9000: it would tell you so if that were the problem Feb 07 14:37:50 lardman|home: Still no fix ;) Feb 07 14:38:18 X-Fade: nope, but I had to restart as maemo-mapper is playing silly buggers and keeps researching for the gps Feb 07 14:39:09 I see 4 satellites too, but it doesn't fix for me.. Feb 07 14:39:26 Can i find the plugin directory? Feb 07 14:40:19 1/7 2/0 1/1 and 0/3, what ever that means :) (in Map) Feb 07 14:46:37 Found ~/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so.st Feb 07 14:47:17 And ~/.mozilla/plugins/disabled Feb 07 14:47:28 A clue? Feb 07 14:48:48 I wonder what the .st extension is and why there's a file named disabled Feb 07 14:49:41 Perhaps i'll start renaming things ... Feb 07 14:51:35 lardman|home: I have a 5 satellite fix. Strange thing is, my nvd_data hasn't been updated since yesterday.. Feb 07 14:52:42 it's difficult to set usb networking ,n800 <--->winxp os2008? Feb 07 14:54:43 K-Fox, yes, it seems that way. People on internettablettalk.com/forums see to be having problems getting it to work. Maybe you should ask there? Feb 07 15:08:22 anyone know where to find gdb for os2008? Feb 07 15:10:56 braddbr, repository.maemo.orG? Feb 07 15:10:59 -case Feb 07 15:11:17 X-Fade: sorry, didn't mean to be rude; my keyboard failed Feb 07 15:11:32 lardman: Hehe, that must suck :) Feb 07 15:12:07 yeah, I was copying and pasting letters from the history to say as much, then realised I couldn't paste 0x13 Feb 07 15:12:26 ok, finally n810 recognized charger Feb 07 15:12:34 oops, blind me.. sorry Feb 07 15:12:55 X-Fade: do you had a fix, and when you shutdown the gps nvd_data hasn't changed? Feb 07 15:13:13 lardman: No, I didn't realise it saved on close :) Feb 07 15:14:02 I have 2 nvd_data files. Same position, 1 day between them.. Feb 07 15:16:27 would you mind sharing them? Feb 07 15:16:36 BUM.. charger out, n810 dead again. charger in and no reaction Feb 07 15:17:05 very strange Feb 07 15:17:13 still not booting? Feb 07 15:17:22 booted Feb 07 15:17:25 now Feb 07 15:17:38 charger broken? Feb 07 15:19:58 X-Fade: http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/Nokia770/GPS/ is mine Feb 07 15:20:16 solmumaha: charger is ok - from nokia770 Feb 07 15:20:38 solmumaha: n810 one is UK one so I prefer to not use it Feb 07 15:22:01 now time to flash my kernel... Feb 07 15:23:59 flashed. now will it boot it or not ;D Feb 07 15:26:49 Linux version 2.6.21-omap1 (hrw@maluch) (gcc version 3.4.4 (release) (CodeSourcery ARM 2005q3-2)) #1 Thu Feb 7 15:37:55 CET 2008 Feb 07 15:26:55 nice :D Feb 07 15:27:12 why the homebrew kernel? Feb 07 15:27:59 lardman: because I can? Feb 07 15:28:08 :) just wondering Feb 07 15:28:29 what did you add to the kernel hrw? Feb 07 15:28:30 lardman: sooner or later Poky will land (at least for testing) on it Feb 07 15:28:42 johnx: compared to maemo one? nothing Feb 07 15:28:51 ah, just a test compile? Feb 07 15:30:20 I probably will add 2.6.21.laststable and CFS backport later Feb 07 15:43:52 lardman, if you want another nvd_data: http://folks.o-hand.com/jku/nvd_data/20080207-jku.2 That's from 14:56 UTC Feb 07 15:45:07 jku: thanks Feb 07 15:45:36 lardman: how to get nvd_data for you? Feb 07 15:45:56 hrw: get a fix, then shut down the gps so it saves the file (/var/lib/gps/) Feb 07 15:46:08 ok Feb 07 15:46:08 jku: you in Finland? Feb 07 15:46:18 yes Feb 07 15:46:41 ok Feb 07 15:47:24 am going to try some comparison with these data: http://www.arinc.com/gps/gpsstat.html format here: http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/gps/gpssem.htm Feb 07 15:48:43 might be worth making note of the satellites in view when you shutdown too Feb 07 15:50:12 lardman: this file has also older entries? Feb 07 15:50:38 hrw no they all seem to get written Feb 07 15:50:49 lardman: http://blog.haerwu.biz/tmp/nvd_data-hrw is mine (now no fix) Feb 07 15:52:10 hmm...has anyone run alsamixer on in OS2008? Feb 07 15:54:05 hrw: that's the file with no fix at all? Feb 07 15:56:31 lardman: if this file has history then it had a fix and track Feb 07 15:56:47 cause now it see 1-2 sattelites only Feb 07 15:57:50 I assume it only gets written after a fix, check the timestamp Feb 07 16:00:50 Feb 6 12:44 Feb 07 16:00:55 I was at home then Feb 07 16:02:06 I'm guessing from X-Fade's data here, he's had an extra section of 0x00's removed (~224 bytes worth) which I'm thinking might be because he's seen an extra satellite on this fix Feb 07 16:02:58 if you take a look at my two fixes, one has lot more data in B1 also Feb 07 16:09:28 where is evince of os2008 (offline file)? Feb 07 16:11:42 K-Fox, http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/chinook/free/e/evince/evince_2.21.1-1.maemo4_armel.deb Feb 07 16:11:53 * johnx goes to bed Feb 07 16:12:41 small question: how many n810 have good partition size on internal card? Feb 07 16:12:59 the first section is 3457 bytes long Feb 07 16:13:06 johnx : wow thanks you~~~ Feb 07 16:13:07 here is was 1999206 instead of 1962220 Feb 07 16:13:13 3457/12 (max viewable satellites) ~= 288 Feb 07 16:15:35 it is out message to be able to downroad this files Feb 07 16:16:08 it works Feb 07 16:17:06 lardman, I believe there is a short header Feb 07 16:17:56 yep, so that's not too far off the ~224 bytes that changed for X-Fade Feb 07 16:19:12 lardman 29 bytes (or 2 digit numbers anyway) in the beginning, with only one change: Feb 07 16:19:53 06 -> 0E Feb 07 16:21:00 meeting, bbiab Feb 07 16:33:53 i need some packages missing to install evince (libdjvulibre15,libkpathsea3,libpoppler-glib2) Feb 07 16:34:07 where is package site? Feb 07 16:44:50 am I being really stupid? Where is BUFSIZ declared in osso-gpsd? Feb 07 16:45:08 or defined even Feb 07 16:45:33 hey, is it possible to set up mplayer to open my media files by default? Feb 07 16:46:50 does gstreamer discoverer work on maemo? It works fine on the desktop, but when I try to do type discovery on the hardware it thinks it can't play the file even though it can. Feb 07 16:47:01 where is offline files of this (libkpathsea3,libpoppler-glib2) Feb 07 16:47:02 lardman, BUFSIZ seems to be defined by stdio at least Feb 07 16:47:17 K-Fox, probably in the same place as the evince package Feb 07 16:47:24 I tried the gst-discover python script that Edward Hervey wrote and it doesn't work on totally normal mp3 files that it can play Feb 07 16:47:57 http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/chinook/free/e/evince/ <--- here is? Feb 07 16:48:04 inz: indeed I was being stupid then :) Feb 07 16:48:08 thanks Feb 07 16:48:56 lardman, if grep -R yields no results, it must be somewhere else ;) Feb 07 16:49:25 nah, it's probably there, I'm on a WinXP machine atm, so is hard to search Feb 07 16:49:35 Hey there... can someone answer some questions about the n810 for me? Feb 07 16:49:58 depends what you ask.... Feb 07 16:50:03 In particular, I was wondering whether it comes with a calendar app, and if so whether it can import .ics files Feb 07 16:50:15 Same goes for address book and vcard Feb 07 16:50:24 It comes with no calendar Feb 07 16:50:26 lardman: if you need more data, this is mine from half an hour ago http://micampe.it/m/nvd_data Feb 07 16:50:27 no, but GPE-calendar may be able to do so; and GPE-contacts can import vcard Feb 07 16:50:43 lardman: the visible satellites where 20 31 4 1 17 23 Feb 07 16:50:45 the more the merrier, thanks :) Feb 07 16:51:06 Does anyone know if there any screenshots of the GPE apps running on the n810 floating about? Feb 07 16:51:54 http://oss.kernelconcepts.de/maemo/ Feb 07 16:52:28 Looks quite nice :) Feb 07 16:52:33 The built-in address book does fine with vcards. Feb 07 16:52:48 http://o-hand.com/work/oss/pimlico/ is another option Feb 07 16:52:52 (reason I ask is that if I get one I'll want to import from kdepim Feb 07 16:52:53 ) Feb 07 16:53:22 lardman: not really, pimlico has some issues on os2008 (no Dates component) Feb 07 16:53:35 ah, ok Feb 07 16:54:10 the maemo port isn't really out of alpha yet is it? Feb 07 16:54:13 the o-hand guys tried to build it, but had some issues I can't remember with dependencies Feb 07 16:55:18 oh wait Feb 07 16:55:27 looks like ross did it after all http://www.burtonini.com/blog/computers/pimlico-2008-02-05-20-10 Feb 07 16:55:34 * michele_ installs right away Feb 07 16:56:55 GeneralAntilles: 'The built-in address book does fine with vcards' - bullshit Feb 07 16:57:05 Worked fine here. Feb 07 16:57:05 GeneralAntilles: I had to tell it Feb 07 16:57:16 GeneralAntilles: import is limited to 500K (no info why) Feb 07 16:57:17 it did not even manage to load files >500kb Feb 07 16:57:43 Well, I can only speak from personal experience. Feb 07 16:57:45 GeneralAntilles: it is unable to import vcards from my cellphone (importable in other apps) Feb 07 16:57:46 So, meh. Feb 07 16:57:47 and i wonder why there is no birthday field in the addressbook?! Feb 07 16:57:49 File a bug, then. Feb 07 16:58:06 there is a bug about the 500kb size limit Feb 07 16:58:09 Is it possible to dial your phone over Bluetooth from GPE addressbook? Feb 07 16:58:15 jott: mine Feb 07 17:00:12 Not that I know of, but there's phonelink for that. Feb 07 17:00:34 Phonelink /looks/ clunky Feb 07 17:00:43 I admit it's hard to tell from screenshots Feb 07 17:10:25 Just noticed 2G Sandisk SD cards on amazon uk for 3 quid. Feb 07 17:10:49 Is n800 with os2008 compatible with SDHC 4G / 8G or is a kernel patch still needed? Feb 07 17:11:10 it is compatible Feb 07 17:11:25 Any reason not to get a 4 or 8G then? Feb 07 17:11:39 what is a bool stored in? 8, 16, 32 bits? Feb 07 17:11:45 Other than price and potenially higher energy usage? Feb 07 17:11:54 I suppose you could find reasons, if you wanted (2gb is cheaper; you don't actually need 4/8gb) Feb 07 17:12:10 ok - no technical problems then - thanks Feb 07 17:12:45 lardman: I think that depends very much on your compiler and its version Feb 07 17:12:52 [i suppose compatability with any other devices I have would be the only other issue] Feb 07 17:13:03 on the ITT Feb 07 17:13:17 presumably I need an SDHC reader for my desktop :( Feb 07 17:13:19 google says "according to the standard the size of 'bool' is implementation defined" Feb 07 17:13:20 n810 even Feb 07 17:13:37 hmm, ok, will have to look at the data and see, thanks Feb 07 17:13:41 write a program that prints sizeof(bool) in the sdk Feb 07 17:14:01 yep will do Feb 07 17:24:49 night all Feb 07 17:26:08 are the gtk stock icons included with maemo? I'm trying to load simple icons like gtk-go-down and they aren't being found Feb 07 17:28:47 I hope a bool isn't 8 bits? It's just 0/1 Feb 07 17:29:11 it usually is? afaik, or an int Feb 07 17:29:23 iirc it isn't just 1 bit in about any compiler Feb 07 17:29:33 Usually it is int Feb 07 17:29:36 +an Feb 07 17:29:36 inz: Error: "an" is not a valid command. Feb 07 17:29:44 dtahtbot, fu Feb 07 17:29:46 inz: Error: "fu" is not a valid command. Feb 07 17:29:48 the scratchbox g++ from the maemo sdk has sizeof(bool)==1 Feb 07 17:29:53 you could use the bits from an int though Feb 07 17:30:04 if you need to conserve memory Feb 07 17:30:14 And use : if members of a struct Feb 07 17:32:30 fysa, inz: it's 1 bits for me (GCC 4.1.2, i386) Feb 07 17:32:35 I mean 8 bits Feb 07 17:32:39 or 1 byte Feb 07 17:33:12 http://pastebin.ca/895217 Feb 07 17:35:18 you can simply not adress one bit Feb 07 17:35:30 memory is adressed byte-wise Feb 07 17:36:17 right Feb 07 17:36:30 I just realized that there's no provision for one bit these days.. Feb 07 17:36:32 or 2 ;) Feb 07 17:36:44 But you can extract one bit of a byte Feb 07 17:36:58 yeah but thats expensive Feb 07 17:37:08 Oh? Feb 07 17:37:51 depends on cpu Feb 07 17:37:53 you save memory, but utilize cpu cicles to extract it Feb 07 17:38:21 arm does handle this fairly well Feb 07 17:38:33 What processor doesn't have and? Feb 07 17:38:38 I remember microcontrollers where developer was able to create variable which took 2,3,4 bit and then another for 5th bit Feb 07 17:38:58 C structs have bit fields Feb 07 17:39:08 well, "can have" Feb 07 18:09:02 bye Feb 07 18:13:35 Interesting. Feb 07 18:14:07 Just got a new N800, and the touchscreen feels like the old 770 touchscreen and nothing like the touchscreen on my release-day N800. Feb 07 18:17:29 less/more spongy GeneralAntilles ? Feb 07 18:17:35 More Feb 07 18:17:35 evince seems to be so much cpu capacity Feb 07 18:17:45 why? Feb 07 18:18:06 could maemo.org be a little faster please... Feb 07 18:20:52 GeneralAntilles, is that a bad or a good thing? Feb 07 18:21:00 konttori why does NuvoBlack remove these elements? Feb 07 18:21:06 It's not particularly important. Feb 07 18:21:10 But I prefer a less-spongy feel. Feb 07 18:21:13 /usr/share/backgrounds/hildon_home_bg_user.pn Feb 07 18:21:20 /home/user/.osso/original_titlebar.png Feb 07 18:21:30 I like spongy ^_^; Feb 07 18:21:32 `/home/user/.osso/hildon_home_bg_user.png Feb 07 18:22:02 /usr/share/themes/NuvoBlack/images/qgn_plat_home_background.png Feb 07 18:22:17 /usr/share/themes/NuvoBlack/images/qgn_plat_home_background.png Feb 07 18:23:51 anyway it's still my favorite ever theme. Just that uninstalling it breaks other themes. Feb 07 18:26:03 hello Feb 07 18:40:42 * pupnik ponders Feb 07 19:13:49 punik: I think it was trying to set the bg correctly Feb 07 19:21:22 what reports: grep '^Hardware' /proc/cpuinfo | sed 's/^.*:[ \t]\(.*\)/\1/g' Feb 07 19:21:26 for n810? Feb 07 19:22:02 Nokia RX-44 Feb 07 19:22:21 ah, I thought it was because mine was a prototype Feb 07 19:22:43 770 is "Nokia 770", n800 is "Nokia N800" Feb 07 19:23:29 k-s, there's also /proc/component_version which reports also hw-build and nolo versions Feb 07 19:26:36 inz: any table with possibilities for each? Feb 07 19:26:54 inz: I mean 770 + gregale, 770 + hacker edition Feb 07 19:27:09 inz: n800 + bora, n800 + chinook Feb 07 19:28:36 Hello Feb 07 19:29:59 k-s, only have n800 and n810 :( Feb 07 19:30:18 k-s, bora/chinook n800 say RX-34 in component_version Feb 07 19:30:27 k-s, and n810 says RX-44 Feb 07 19:41:40 http://www.gametunnel.com/articles.php?id=658 Indie RPGs of the year Feb 07 19:42:59 nokia called. they want money Feb 07 19:43:04 rofl Feb 07 19:44:11 They're all Windows. Feb 07 19:44:12 Lame. Feb 07 19:44:52 yeah sorry GeneralAntilles Feb 07 19:45:19 i'm sorry but i had to decline their request Feb 07 19:45:22 well there is VM ware fusion... Feb 07 19:45:38 x86 Feb 07 19:45:58 It seems OS2008 on the n800 never cuts power to the external SD card Feb 07 19:46:01 they are independent developers, if they use SDL they could be persuaded to do a tablet port Feb 07 19:46:24 hence the increase in power consumption I observed Feb 07 19:46:50 GA: oh poor you , you are stuck in PPC hell Feb 07 19:46:52 xD Feb 07 19:47:14 pupnik: nokia called you? :) Feb 07 19:47:15 PPC > x86 Feb 07 19:47:56 the nokia store. they want 95 euros Feb 07 19:48:18 how did they react on your polite decline? Feb 07 19:48:24 politely Feb 07 19:48:29 i suppose they will call here too :) Feb 07 19:48:32 want money for what? Feb 07 19:48:42 for their broken shop system ;p Feb 07 19:48:54 Haha Feb 07 19:48:57 lol? Feb 07 19:49:00 That's just lame calling for money after the fact. Feb 07 19:49:22 i'm sorry for them. i'm such a softie Feb 07 19:49:47 Pfft Feb 07 19:50:10 It's, what, a hundred or so people? Feb 07 19:50:20 They need to man up, cut their loses, and move on. Feb 07 19:51:30 i wonder if they really believe they would get the money :P Feb 07 19:54:53 System Requirements: Windows 35+ Feb 07 19:55:01 what's Win 35? Feb 07 19:55:19 I know of windooze 3.5 Feb 07 19:55:22 but not 35 Feb 07 19:55:42 Windows 2035? Feb 07 19:55:47 (I'm sure they meant 95, but it's funny :) Feb 07 19:56:00 nt 3.5? Feb 07 19:56:13 http://www.breakitdownblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/nazi_gates.jpg that's the windows 35 logo ;P Feb 07 19:57:03 old :) Feb 07 19:57:13 and offending to many Feb 07 19:57:16 yes, it's from 1935 Feb 07 19:57:19 yeah from the windows 35 release party ;) Feb 07 20:04:16 So question on os2008/maemo dev. is there a toolchain/system for those of us who dev in windows? Feb 07 20:04:50 VM ware + ubuntu + scratchbox + .. Feb 07 20:04:53 U,u Feb 07 20:05:07 bleh. yeah. was worried that was the answer Feb 07 20:05:56 mwaldron: to slightly reduce the inconvenience, there's an image already built http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ Feb 07 20:06:14 now that's good service :) Feb 07 20:06:17 Thanks :) Feb 07 20:09:42 thanks michele, got the download running now Feb 07 20:13:01 I think i'm going to like this little guy (810 arrives tomorrow) but not close to willing to change my desktop environment to do some coding for it Feb 07 20:16:12 oh... xournal is 15MB?! Feb 07 20:16:14 then install the vmware SDK Feb 07 20:16:32 what can it do in 15M? Feb 07 20:16:39 pupnik: that's what michele pointed me towards Feb 07 20:17:09 I do my lecture notes with xournal Feb 07 20:17:13 really a killer app Feb 07 20:17:18 + debug logs in the future Feb 07 20:17:18 LoCusF: Error: "debug" is not a valid command. Feb 07 20:17:29 lol ok no + from now on Feb 07 20:17:54 yes, but I really didn't expect it to be that big Feb 07 20:17:58 I'd like to have a search engine for my pdf files on maemo. something like beagle Feb 07 20:18:11 +die you stupid bot! Feb 07 20:18:11 inz: Error: "die" is not a valid command. Feb 07 20:18:14 michele_: its ghostscript that makes it big Feb 07 20:18:20 ahhh Feb 07 20:18:39 ugh, they should provide a package without gs Feb 07 20:18:47 and thats naturally for pdf-exporting Feb 07 20:22:36 jott, would you want to do some testing of a new exult build? Feb 07 20:22:59 pupnik: yeah Feb 07 20:23:28 how is your time schedule .. this evening or tomorrow? Feb 07 20:23:47 this evening is fine i suppose Feb 07 20:24:16 well i still have some mistakes in it but i can upload bin/data Feb 07 20:24:25 what have you changed? Feb 07 20:26:21 xsp pixel doubling, easier double click, remastered mp3 music Feb 07 20:26:30 ah nice Feb 07 20:26:53 i prefer the look of scale2x though, but performance is just not good Feb 07 20:27:10 it would be preferable to use an alternative accelerated blitting method Feb 07 20:27:44 sure sai2x/super eagle/... make old games look nice ;) Feb 07 20:27:48 also i think we should allow fmopl or timidity music as an alternative Feb 07 20:27:56 yes those don't work with 8bpp mode though Feb 07 20:28:18 see http://pupnik.de/ScalersExult.png Feb 07 20:29:27 at this poitn i just want to release something playable. my source changes are totally hacky and terrible Feb 07 20:29:34 :o Feb 07 20:29:34 and something installable by noobs Feb 07 20:29:41 pupnik: do you ever find the time to play any of the games you port? :) Feb 07 20:29:49 not really Feb 07 20:30:04 did you make debian/patches? ;) Feb 07 20:30:10 no Feb 07 20:31:14 going to fix the rest of the mouse scaling problems and i'll put up a tgz Feb 07 20:31:26 an lcd controller based sai2x would be nice ;) Feb 07 20:33:56 yes, but if you look at exult in particular, i think scale2x gives the best results Feb 07 20:34:11 text readibility is very important on the tablet Feb 07 20:38:50 yeah no matter if 2xsai or scale2x it would be great to have something like this in hardware ;) Feb 07 20:40:05 (or as some kind of pixelshader) Feb 07 20:40:07 but the real question has anyone ported dopewars :) Feb 07 20:40:38 the console based one should be straight forward ;) Feb 07 20:41:04 can run it in garmin vm too i suppose Feb 07 20:41:07 er garnet Feb 07 20:41:12 mmm garmin vm :P Feb 07 20:41:13 haha ;) yeah Feb 07 20:41:46 i've been reading way too much about 810 gps issues, got garmin on the brain Feb 07 21:12:58 what's the API to get the neat application launching spinner? Feb 07 21:17:58 ywwg, you mean in the corner? Feb 07 21:18:06 pierlux: yes Feb 07 21:18:30 I would guess it is called "start up notification" Feb 07 21:19:26 The spinner should appear automatically Feb 07 21:19:33 At least if you use d-bus launching Feb 07 21:20:43 And if you want a custom one for some process in your application, it's HildonBanner Feb 07 21:21:13 http://maemo.org/api_refs/4.0/hildon/HildonBanner.html Feb 07 21:28:36 inz: I was trying it with hildonbanner but it wanted a widget, but of course my widgets aren't built yet because I'm launching Feb 07 21:30:51 ywwg, well, even if you managed to get it visible, it would be pretty much appearing at the same time as the rest of the app Feb 07 21:31:02 ywwg, that's why desktop gives you the banner Feb 07 21:31:05 inz: yeah exactly Feb 07 21:32:02 inz: but the api wants a widget: GtkWidget* hildon_banner_show_animation (GtkWidget *widget, Feb 07 21:32:02 const gchar *animation_name, Feb 07 21:32:02 const gchar *text); Feb 07 21:32:16 But you don't need to use the API Feb 07 21:32:30 It is shown by desktop for you Feb 07 21:32:43 oh I see, the dbus launching you were talking about Feb 07 21:32:49 yeah Feb 07 21:33:05 If you desktop file is in order, it should just appear Feb 07 21:33:23 Not quite sure if the D-Bus usage is also required, might be Feb 07 21:46:11 inz: aha, it seems I just have to specify X-Osso-Service and -Type and it works Feb 07 21:46:15 inz: thanks Feb 07 22:01:17 am i right in thinking i can get scp to copy a file to my 810 from the vmware box? Feb 07 22:01:27 (from the command line as part of a script) Feb 07 22:01:57 Sure, why not? Feb 07 22:02:45 because everything else is throwing itself at me and failing so why should something work... Feb 07 22:02:49 * lcuk_2 is at a low ebb Feb 07 22:05:37 It can only get better from here! Feb 07 22:05:47 indeed it bloody well can!!!! Feb 07 22:06:23 i gave up on the vmware box and was reextracting and considered what i would do if it worked... Feb 07 22:06:26 and it did :D Feb 07 22:06:43 Lots of alcohol? Feb 07 22:06:56 i just downloaded a standard sdl program example from the web and compiled for x86 Feb 07 22:07:19 it was failing when i did same with ANY compile when i switched to armel to actually see it on the device Feb 07 22:07:30 nahhh, no beer yet, tho there will be now Feb 07 22:09:07 as long as scp works now i can edit in windows over a folder (like i do for normal work), automatically save+rebuild+send (with scp..) the final copy to device for instant testing Feb 07 22:10:13 * lcuk_2 was gettin frustrated at damned device cos everything i tried i needed some other knowledge Feb 07 22:10:36 It's like reading wikipedia. :P Feb 07 22:10:42 It never ends! Feb 07 22:10:46 yer... Feb 07 22:11:45 because there wasn't one stage which worked consistently through everything every corner had new surprises Feb 07 22:12:17 and beware of recursions! always remember the fixpoint to get out! Feb 07 22:13:57 i kept wanting to click my heels, but i heard the wicked witch (ballmer) throwing chairs and waving a copy of Vista at me and knew i had to stick it out Feb 07 22:14:29 has anyone tried visual studio 2008 yet, does it feel more like original visual studio yet? Feb 07 22:16:00 what's original? the ones before .net? ;) Feb 07 22:16:13 yer Feb 07 22:16:17 the fast ones Feb 07 22:17:14 use vi instead, it's pretty fast ;) Feb 07 22:18:44 omfg .. lmao. The cars playing at Live AID had a DEC VT-100 terminal on stage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCXkAN28urU&NR=1 Feb 07 22:18:59 fast mouse scrolling? selecting? the key only interface doesnt fit well - i prefer to put hands in certain places to do certain jobs, not have an all in one steering wheel Feb 07 22:20:16 lcuk_2: use vim then ;> Feb 07 22:23:34 heh. I have all of Live Aid recorded on VHS in storage somewhere. Feb 07 22:32:32 http://home.earthlink.net/~yaking/html/wsnHIST.html ahh Redline` it was a Synclavier - about a $150,000 - $400,000 sampler Feb 07 22:34:19 why is maemo.org sooooo sloooooooow? Feb 07 22:35:05 lardman, because it is hosted on a 770 behind a 2400 modem? Feb 07 22:35:16 2400 is too generous Feb 07 22:35:28 but that's probably about right :) Feb 07 22:35:47 LCARS for ITOS2008 was released yesterday Feb 07 22:35:49 http://synthesize.us/LCARS_PADD Feb 07 22:36:34 and yes, this version is properly uninstallable :) Feb 07 22:37:29 in sdl if i want to load an image file using IMG_Load(...) and the file is stored in the same path as the executable should i be able to just call it with img = IMG_Load("pic.PNG"); Feb 07 22:38:08 or d i need a full path descriptor IMG_Load( "./pic.PNG") Feb 07 22:39:04 if its the first, does sdl have a problem with PNG files in general on maemo? Feb 07 22:40:18 when the scratchbox installer script downloads the packages, where are they downloaded to? Feb 07 22:40:30 I already have them and need to fool it, otherwise I'll be here all year Feb 07 22:41:54 hmm /tmp Feb 07 22:44:17 lcuk_2: both are bad solutions imho.. and png should work fine. maybe you should look for IMG_GetError() if image is null.. Feb 07 22:44:45 (if the result of IMG_Load() is null) Feb 07 22:44:47 i did: "Couldn't open m_pointer.png" Feb 07 22:44:54 its very helpful.. Feb 07 22:45:12 i was seeing if it was the path that i entered or the actual image loader Feb 07 22:45:24 it works when i run it in chinook_x86 Feb 07 22:45:35 remember that *nix filesystems are usually case sensitive :) Feb 07 22:45:40 but when i convert to chinook_armel it crashes with that error Feb 07 22:45:44 hmm Feb 07 22:45:55 running on the device Feb 07 22:47:02 ahhhhhhhhhhhhh Feb 07 22:47:03 .... Feb 07 22:47:08 i know the difference... Feb 07 22:47:25 what? Feb 07 22:47:34 no video in maemo's skype? Feb 07 22:47:57 nope, on scratchbox console i was in the folder Feb 07 22:48:03 its a startin folder thats different Feb 07 22:48:23 the files don't exist at console i ran with a path Feb 07 22:48:29 yeah well as i said, using a relative path is not a good idea Feb 07 22:48:52 * lcuk_2 changes his startin folder and magic happens Feb 07 22:49:00 atleast not relative to the PWD Feb 07 22:49:24 its ok, now i have slapped my forehead i wont make that mistake again Feb 07 22:50:39 lcuk_2: also look at those, if you have not yet: http://lazyfoo.net/SDL_tutorials/ Feb 07 22:51:05 now i know whats needed to compile things and have a base system i can look at lots of stuff Feb 07 22:51:25 Ahaha . . . LCARS is too much. Feb 07 22:51:37 i have ran into lots of issues recently getting something up and running and just cured all of them by re-wiping my vmware box and starting again Feb 07 22:52:01 does it work GeneralAntilles Feb 07 22:53:09 Yeah Feb 07 22:53:09 thanks jott i will give those a good work through Feb 07 22:53:14 It's absolutely incredible. Feb 07 22:53:20 excellent i think ill try it Feb 07 22:53:25 It's like being teleported to the future. :P Feb 07 22:53:37 * jott also installes it ;) Feb 07 22:53:57 http://synthesize.us/LCARS_PADD Feb 07 22:54:00 I can't possibly be seen in public with this, but it's definitely going on the stay-at-home tablets. Feb 07 22:54:11 lol Feb 07 22:54:34 the guy at work will look all shakey if i show him this - there is no way i am leaving him alone with it tho Feb 07 22:54:53 hehe just glue on some rubber ears and no one will ask dumb questions :P Feb 07 22:55:17 lol - i cant i became a jedi last week and its all just wrong Feb 07 22:55:28 i cant hold a light sabre and a LCARS pad Feb 07 22:55:46 Haha Feb 07 22:55:50 The sounds are too much. Feb 07 22:56:17 I've got a new job for rm_you. . . . Feb 07 22:56:20 i might turn my device into HAL Feb 07 22:57:59 GeneralAntilles: I can't possibly be seen in public with this, but it's definitely going on the stay-at-home tablets. <---- Girlfriend says: "It's either me or the tablet!" Feb 07 22:58:10 Haha Feb 07 22:59:14 lcars works on n810 yet? Feb 07 22:59:38 GeneralAntilles: terrific Feb 07 22:59:49 Yes, Mousey. Feb 07 22:59:52 Just announced Feb 07 22:59:53 scroll up. Feb 07 22:59:57 yippie! ^_^ Feb 07 23:00:49 hey thanks for the sdl link jott Feb 07 23:01:05 ty! Feb 07 23:01:31 an appropriate icon theme is in order :( Feb 07 23:02:58 Restart, shackan. Feb 07 23:03:08 Er, unless you're talking about everything but the toolbars. Feb 07 23:03:14 Which you probably are. Feb 07 23:03:21 i am Feb 07 23:05:30 hehe nice the LCARS on top changing to 802.11 :) Feb 07 23:05:46 and the rest of the toolbar icons. Feb 07 23:06:49 yeah only LoadApplet does not fit ;) Feb 07 23:08:04 and advanced backlight. :( Feb 07 23:08:57 <|tbb|> is it possible to switch back to default theme after installing LCARS theme? Feb 07 23:09:10 |tbb|, it's all covered on the website. Feb 07 23:09:14 But, switch to a normal theme Feb 07 23:09:20 uninstall lcars-complete Feb 07 23:09:21 reboot. Feb 07 23:09:28 DO NOT UNINSTALL AN ACTIVE THEME! Feb 07 23:10:24 lol Feb 07 23:10:51 are themes included in the backup? Feb 07 23:11:08 Are applications? Feb 07 23:11:19 the theme info Feb 07 23:11:30 Oh, that, yes. Feb 07 23:11:44 cool Feb 07 23:11:48 If you do uninstall the active theme. Feb 07 23:11:52 Just turn off the watchdogs Feb 07 23:12:02 make sure it's set to autoconnect. ;) Feb 07 23:12:07 ssh in and reinstall it Feb 07 23:12:10 no, i wont anyway Feb 07 23:12:13 I'd guess that should fix things. Feb 07 23:12:23 i just like to make sure ive got everything backed up Feb 07 23:12:43 i will be making an auto sync soon enough for my code etc Feb 07 23:13:07 Boot from sd and just run a backup script every week on so. Feb 07 23:13:16 Er, setup a partition on the SD, anyway. Feb 07 23:13:57 not for now, im just about getting used to this as it stands Feb 07 23:14:33 now we need some decent lcars applications ;) Feb 07 23:14:34 i can reformat the mmc2 device cant i to a format which understands execute permissions cant i? Feb 07 23:14:46 -cant i Feb 07 23:16:46 Sure, lcuk_2. Feb 07 23:17:31 http://www.lcarscom.net/images/nakadapanel.jpg something like that for home automation control ;) Feb 07 23:17:44 I would at least install fanoush's initfs so you can recover with USBnet if anything goes wrong. Feb 07 23:17:50 Haha Feb 07 23:17:53 http://www.lcarscom.net/images/Okud_still_perriker.gif and this as wikipedia frontend ;) Feb 07 23:17:56 jott, that would be way too far over the top. Feb 07 23:18:06 Ahaha Feb 07 23:23:18 GeneralAntilles: hehe go to http://lcarscom.net/databank.htm with a fullscreen browser on the IT (and disabled url bar)...fits nice ;) Feb 07 23:23:32 GeneralAntilles: wanna laugh? I wasn't able to change *that* domain nameservers! :) Feb 07 23:23:35 the scrollbar merges with the rest ;) Feb 07 23:25:16 this site is hilarious on the tablet ;) Feb 07 23:27:37 I keep poking at URLs on my laptop screen with my finger Feb 07 23:27:49 elb, it's terrible, isn't it? Feb 07 23:28:00 it is Feb 07 23:28:01 Makes me want to petition Apple for touchscreen laptops. Feb 07 23:28:11 The worst part is that I don't use laptops except when I'm at home with my family. Feb 07 23:28:21 I end up going right into "tablet-mode". Feb 07 23:28:48 eee should be least expensive "fullsize" tablet if they make it Feb 07 23:29:22 I'm not impressed with the debian scratchbox installation instructions Feb 07 23:36:22 is it much more complicated to keep it inside a vmware frame? Feb 07 23:36:41 cos if not, why not use the prebuilt environment? Feb 07 23:41:48 I've never used vmware Feb 07 23:42:18 It's a hell of a lot easier to install from tarballs than from .debs; I'm stuck now with it installed but no groups created nor users Feb 07 23:42:33 poor instructions in the install.txt file Feb 07 23:48:59 time to logout to join sbox Feb 07 23:50:27 Any one around that can help with with a simple issue? Feb 07 23:51:39 wow Feb 07 23:51:57 Taking that as a no Feb 07 23:51:58 anyone know how to fix the LCARS theme words on the side? Feb 07 23:52:10 ...that wasn't even english Feb 07 23:52:16 * Mousey tries again Feb 07 23:52:19 I am looking for the "Lock code" for the 2007 "hacked" OS Feb 07 23:52:45 I cant set it, so I cant lock my device. Feb 07 23:52:47 the words "menu" and "lcars" overlap each other in the theme Feb 07 23:52:58 kSiR: out of the box i think it was 12345 Feb 07 23:53:15 http://www.svatopluk.com/daggerfall/download/interkarma.stm very cool daggerfall utilities Feb 07 23:53:16 I tried that, and it will not set it Feb 07 23:53:50 I have root access is there any files that can be adjusted to fix this? Feb 07 23:54:07 You restart, Mousey? Feb 07 23:54:10 Works fine here. Feb 07 23:54:16 yes Feb 07 23:54:21 kSiR, it doesn't change with a flash Feb 07 23:54:28 so it's whatever you (or somebody else) set it to. Feb 07 23:54:36 Yes, there's a way to check from the booted system Feb 07 23:54:40 don't recall it off-hand, though. Feb 07 23:54:46 GeneralAntilles: think it might have to do with my rearranging the buttons? [web under contacts, menu on top" Feb 07 23:54:47 ? Feb 07 23:55:13 Ah Feb 07 23:55:14 Maybe Feb 07 23:55:17 Mine's default. Feb 07 23:55:19 * elb cuts the useless contacts menu with a knife Feb 07 23:55:22 Try changing to default? Feb 07 23:55:32 I use it, elb. :P Feb 07 23:56:24 whatever for? Feb 07 23:56:24 hurm... yes I bought this from some one else, and I just called them and they havent a clue... Feb 07 23:56:44 I guess if you had a lot of time to kill, the contacts application uses a lot to ... do anything Feb 07 23:58:22 GeneralAntilles: ah, well there's some mumblings under known issues on dude's site Feb 07 23:58:44 elb, SIP, e-mail, . . . contacts. :P Feb 07 23:58:57 i wish contacts and mail were mappable to other programs.. Feb 07 23:58:59 kSIR, there's a thread on ITT covering the solution. Feb 07 23:59:01 I was unimpressed with the built-in emails as well Feb 07 23:59:03 I believe, anyway. Feb 07 23:59:04 ..or rather. i wish i was smart enough to make it do it Feb 07 23:59:22 I keep meaning to look at claws and modest Feb 07 23:59:26 modest seriously needs mail filters before i can completely abandon clawsmail Feb 07 23:59:28 sylpheed was decent enough, way back in the day Feb 08 00:02:18 i wish there was a 16 pt version =( Feb 08 00:02:26 * Mousey wonders if he just asks too much Feb 08 00:02:40 bugs.maemo.org :P Feb 08 00:02:47 enhancement requests for great justice! Feb 08 00:02:59 * elb shudders at the idea of being tied to a GUI mail client for filtering Feb 08 00:03:27 install mutt Feb 08 00:03:34 or something Feb 08 00:03:45 I use mutt as my primary client, but I don't do (inbound) filtering in mutt Feb 08 00:03:56 that's all handled before the mail hits my mailbox Feb 08 00:04:22 i should install scratchbox Feb 08 00:04:29 that's the impression owning this thing gives me Feb 08 00:04:49 in fact, I'd be more excited about using a mail client on my tablet if my busted-ass imap server didn't disconnect mutt any time the tablet checked mail Feb 08 00:09:17 http://bethblog.com/?p=93#comments request a licensed port of The Elder Scrolls: Arena to the Nokia Internet Tablets here Feb 08 00:09:26 yea. rearranging menu buttons fixes text Feb 08 00:26:50 hi Feb 08 00:27:30 can i ask qns here? Feb 08 00:28:36 you just did :) Feb 08 00:28:51 (go ahead) Feb 08 00:29:26 thanks Feb 08 00:29:47 for the nat traversal tutorial, which version of libjingle is it using? Feb 08 00:34:57 GeneralAntilles: wha? i'll be back in 3-4 hours Feb 08 00:35:00 lol Feb 08 00:35:01 bbl Feb 08 00:35:06 We need an icon for LCARS. Feb 08 00:35:08 lol Feb 08 00:35:16 explain later Feb 08 00:35:22 ta Feb 08 00:43:44 * Mousey huggles LCARS Feb 08 00:43:51 all my coworkers are duely impressed Feb 08 00:44:15 hehe Mousey have you also gone to lcarscom.net with the tablet? ;) Feb 08 00:44:17 forget the icon, we need a bloody star ship Feb 08 00:44:52 cd starship; make; fly; Feb 08 00:44:53 (important is to go fullscreen without the url-bar ;-) Feb 08 00:45:44 (view -> show toolbar -> fullscreen off) Feb 08 00:45:46 make starship ; install Mousey Feb 08 00:46:00 make starship ; make installMousey Feb 08 00:46:05 ^^ Feb 08 00:46:13 * GeneralAntilles shoots lcuk_2 lasers. Feb 08 00:47:21 and it's "engage" not "fly" ;> Feb 08 00:47:31 turning out happier now ant Feb 08 00:47:45 ive got fullscreen scrolling Feb 08 00:47:50 Woo Feb 08 00:48:01 its a bit juddery but its a start :) Feb 08 00:48:14 * lcuk_2 is gonna optimise book reading :) Feb 08 00:49:58 Somebody needs to put together a patch for FBReader for animated scrolling. Feb 08 00:50:13 Or maybe we can make mplayer output sideways text. :D Feb 08 00:50:52 Hey everyone. Feb 08 00:50:58 Where could I get a 770 in Canada, for cheap? Feb 08 00:51:12 I know TigerDirect had it for $150. Anywhere else? Feb 08 00:51:34 Check the deals forum on ITT Feb 08 00:52:20 itt? Feb 08 00:53:05 internettablettalk.com Feb 08 00:53:11 thx Feb 08 01:04:26 Why do people still want the 770 when the 800 isn't that much more expensive? :p Feb 08 01:05:03 Because it's less expensive. Feb 08 01:05:51 Seriously. Feb 08 01:05:57 You can get a 770 on ebay for $50 Feb 08 01:06:04 really? Feb 08 01:06:07 That much? :o Feb 08 01:06:16 how about from a real store? Feb 08 01:06:23 I need to order it for a client of my tech support. Feb 08 01:06:24 $250 or so Feb 08 01:06:30 The guy just loved the thing. Feb 08 01:06:41 The $140 days are long gone. Feb 08 01:07:09 Thought the n800 was only $50-80 more Feb 08 01:07:44 $200 for an N800. Feb 08 01:08:13 looking at the deals forum, $190 in the US, 227 in Canada (free shipping) Feb 08 01:08:41 I know the guy that I'm dealing with. Feb 08 01:08:47 He won't go for it if it's higher than 200 Feb 08 01:09:05 Okay, then. Feb 08 01:09:20 770 is nicer in some ways Feb 08 01:09:36 all the connectors are on the bottom without a bracket to get in the way Feb 08 01:09:38 hard cover Feb 08 01:09:51 a grove all around for mount Feb 08 01:10:11 The 800 doesn't have that? Feb 08 01:10:26 no, the 800 doesn't use a hard cover; the grove is for the hard cover Feb 08 01:10:29 The hard cover and the bottom connectors are the best thing about the 770 Feb 08 01:10:42 Oh wow, that sucks Feb 08 01:11:20 for the intended use, the 800 is nicer - dual full size MMC/SD slots + faster CPU + ability to be propped up on a table w/cables connected Feb 08 01:12:02 * flatface nods at that Feb 08 01:12:27 is there ANYWAY to get the file manager to show you the freakin ACTUAL file system?? instead of what IT DECIDES it THINKS you should see? Feb 08 01:12:31 yor papers please Feb 08 01:12:58 The N8x0 are soo much faster than the 770. Feb 08 01:13:11 cd/ls, Mousey. :P Feb 08 01:13:22 GeneralAntilles: The 770 is more than fast enough Feb 08 01:13:40 GeneralAntilles: thank you. very helpful =P Feb 08 01:13:45 * Mousey tries gpe-filemangler Feb 08 01:14:04 wonder if anyone makes a ruggedized N800 or offers services/parts to do that Feb 08 01:14:07 Paulius, maybe, but not after you use the N800. ;) Feb 08 01:14:17 tempting... Feb 08 01:14:24 but no hard cover is a deal breaker Feb 08 01:15:12 i do wish someone would say if the OTG hardware is present in the 770 or not. the 1710 in the 770 can do otg but donno if it is wired for it Feb 08 01:15:25 otg? Feb 08 01:15:40 USB On The Go, supplement to USB 2.0 Feb 08 01:15:46 I really like the n810 design. I think I'll wait for that to lower in price. Feb 08 01:15:54 if the fragility of the IT devices increases with every generation, i wonder what the successor of the n810 would stand :> Feb 08 01:15:57 ds3: I've seen mods of people connecting usb keyboards to the 770. Feb 08 01:15:57 ds3, it can do host with injection. Feb 08 01:16:05 Yeah, you just need power. Feb 08 01:16:20 GeneralAntilles: I know it has a host mode and I have seen many people talk about it, even tried it Feb 08 01:16:29 the 770 is not OTG, it's got real host mode Feb 08 01:16:38 really? that's hot Feb 08 01:16:39 afaik Feb 08 01:16:39 dragorn: thank you. Feb 08 01:16:49 why can't the n8x0 have freakin' hostmode Feb 08 01:16:56 dragorn: btw, did you get a chance to try out the SiS VGA thing on the 800? Feb 08 01:17:00 They have OTG. Feb 08 01:17:03 because it has OTG which has dynamic host mode Feb 08 01:17:05 Mousey: Because 770 > * Feb 08 01:17:05 :-P Feb 08 01:17:09 Paulius: The 810 is nice, but it doesn't feel durable. I've had mine for a couple weeks and the aluminum is already scratched up :( Feb 08 01:17:11 limited dynamic host mode Feb 08 01:17:19 that needs an extra special cable extraordinaire Feb 08 01:17:24 only 3 vendors sell Feb 08 01:17:26 Or a script. Feb 08 01:17:31 OTG is still very new. Feb 08 01:17:31 and only one of them speaks english Feb 08 01:17:32 Mousey: 800 yes, 810, no, I got it for $9 off amazon Feb 08 01:17:36 heywire: My aluminium cover on my 770 is also scratched. But I abuse the hell out of it. Feb 08 01:17:45 i got some af-af adaptors Feb 08 01:17:51 didn't OTG for me ;_; Feb 08 01:17:53 ds3: No, not w/ a power injector. Feb 08 01:17:55 * Mousey is a big whiner Feb 08 01:17:57 Mousey: hold. Feb 08 01:18:12 dragorn: power hub should be able to do it Feb 08 01:19:41 Mousey: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000UNKGHY Feb 08 01:20:03 dragorn: ty Feb 08 01:20:05 and a coupler/f-f adapter is all you need. I ordered like 5, so I could cut it to a more useful length or add my own ends to it Feb 08 01:20:14 ds3: yeah, no time Feb 08 01:20:14 i have f-f adaptors Feb 08 01:20:24 ds3: I did try it on one of my APs Feb 08 01:20:29 ds3: and it was NOT a pretty scene :P Feb 08 01:20:43 ds3: (it worked, but was veeeeeery slow.) Feb 08 01:20:46 are the usb modules installed by default? [are they compiled in instead?] why is there no dmesg? Feb 08 01:20:57 Mousey: they're compiled in. There are dmesg entries. Feb 08 01:21:17 so watch "dmesg tail" is as good as i can do, eh Feb 08 01:21:33 dragorn: so the K.O. source for it compiles in ARM, I take it? Feb 08 01:21:49 ds3: I was using it on a mipsel, but yeah Feb 08 01:22:02 also, how is this cable on amazon different than the one it came with? is there a difference? cuz i have the af-af adaptors already [which i said like 3 times, cuz i'm a whiner.. which i've said twice now] Feb 08 01:22:03 Mousey: just get one of those "universal" cable kits, they usually have the parts to build one you need Feb 08 01:22:19 ds3, funny thing is "universal" cable kits DON'T HAVE af-af adaptors Feb 08 01:22:22 ds3: re: powered hub - otg isn't supposed to support hubs, dunno. Feb 08 01:22:26 Mousey: different pins Feb 08 01:22:39 Mousey: otg is a 5-pin connector. If pin 5 is floating, it's one type, if it's grounded, it's a different type Feb 08 01:22:41 so the amazonian cable and the one it came with -are- different.. ok Feb 08 01:22:50 dragorn: so your thing is like the ASUS WL500? =) Feb 08 01:22:58 Mousey: type A cables put the device in host mode. Type B is client mode. Feb 08 01:23:05 I forget which is grounded and which is floating Feb 08 01:23:07 ds3: nope Feb 08 01:23:08 Mousey: hmmm...the kits I got had enough to do it... I was able to get a USB thumbdrive to work Feb 08 01:23:15 ds3: but close enough Feb 08 01:23:35 dragorn: had to ask... you dropped enough details to suggest that =) Feb 08 01:24:08 I think grounded is host. Feb 08 01:24:08 ok, so what you're saying is: the amazonian cable is different than the cable the n810 came with, and/or the af-af adaptors are different. or my af-af adaptors are crap Feb 08 01:24:29 no and/or Feb 08 01:24:42 the cable I linked you is an OTG type A micro-USB cable Feb 08 01:24:44 so the adaptors are fine, it's the cables that differ Feb 08 01:24:55 which puts the device into master mode because the OTG pin is set appropriately. Feb 08 01:25:11 The cable shipped with the device is an OTG type B micro-USB, which puts the device in client mode. Feb 08 01:25:13 and the one the n810 comes with isn't. it's just an micro-usb to usb-a normal cable, huh? Feb 08 01:25:19 GOT it Feb 08 01:25:19 ok Feb 08 01:25:25 sorry, i'm dumb... Feb 08 01:25:30 ...but trainable! ^_^ Feb 08 01:25:31 I'd think it should easy enough to put together a digikey BOM to build a cable Feb 08 01:25:36 * Mousey buys 50 Feb 08 01:26:10 ds3: the cable I linked is $7. They're not that hard to find. Feb 08 01:26:19 The key knowledge was more "micro" not "mini" usb Feb 08 01:26:28 micro b, vs micro a Feb 08 01:26:32 dragorn: I was thinking for the N800 not the 810 Feb 08 01:26:38 ds3: oh Feb 08 01:26:39 and they the micro A will fit in the n810 socket? Feb 08 01:26:41 ds3: the 800 is special Feb 08 01:26:49 ds3: and arguably "broken" Feb 08 01:27:04 THE N810 IS BISEXUAL?!?! Feb 08 01:27:14 I have adapters to do it but it looks life threatening to the life of the connector on the PCB (3 inches of solid metal vs a tiny mini connector with solder joints) Feb 08 01:27:27 ds3: I just toggle it in SW on the 800 Feb 08 01:27:35 need a nice, strain relieved connector Feb 08 01:27:47 dragorn: *nod* I do the same Feb 08 01:37:01 i gave about 3 seconds consideration to opening up my 810 and soldering the pins on the socket itself Feb 08 01:37:10 lol Feb 08 01:37:50 speaking of..are there any nice pcb scans of the 810 yet? Feb 08 01:37:51 eventually i realised a software toggle was enough ;) Feb 08 01:38:31 none that i h ave seen Feb 08 01:38:40 we need captain kirk Feb 08 01:38:46 someone who will boldly go Feb 08 01:53:13 Are there any gstreamer experts in? I'm getting a crash sometimes when I have force-aspect-ratio set on an xvimagesink Feb 08 01:53:21 hmmmmmm Feb 08 01:53:53 I could turn off force-aspect, but I don't want to because then my video is all squished :/ Feb 08 01:56:04 ywwg: there was a post on maemo-developers about needing to ignore some X errors when using xv Feb 08 01:56:48 pupnik: I can't ignore a crash tho, my program quits Feb 08 01:59:11 pupnik: do you remember what the subject line was? I'm having trouble finding the post Feb 08 01:59:47 i believe it might have been part of the mplayer threads around may-july 2007 Feb 08 02:05:35 pupnik: oh I found it, thanks Feb 08 02:06:01 looks like a different error tho Feb 08 02:29:57 I installed the maemo sdk using the installer script Feb 08 02:30:07 Anyone know where it installs to? Feb 08 02:34:25 Navi: /scratchbox Feb 08 02:34:32 Navi: root of your filesystem Feb 08 02:35:18 Yeah, I found it. Feb 08 02:35:33 A bit too messy for my tastes... thanks ywwg Feb 08 02:50:03 aaaargh Feb 08 02:50:23 my 810 has turned evil Feb 08 02:50:42 EVIL BEGONE!!! Feb 08 02:50:47 did you try yelling that at it? Feb 08 02:51:01 Get some holy water. Feb 08 02:51:15 THE POWER OF NOKIA COMPELLS YOU Feb 08 02:51:17 the lcars theme has hijacked battery chargin animation Feb 08 02:51:31 Haha Feb 08 02:51:32 Evidently Feb 08 02:51:44 Try uninstalling the lcars-extras Feb 08 02:51:46 then reboot Feb 08 02:52:20 i have reverted to orig theme everything is back but there is a cylon on scrreen. Feb 08 02:52:51 Oh noes! Feb 08 02:52:53 if i uningstall wont that delete file and not restore valid Feb 08 02:52:57 Nokia's secret plot unveiled! Feb 08 02:53:05 they walk among us Feb 08 02:53:08 No, lcuk. Feb 08 02:53:13 it doesnt take a backup of files Feb 08 02:54:02 Just uninstalled lcars-extras and rebooted Feb 08 02:54:04 works fine. Feb 08 02:54:24 but did you have the cylon Feb 08 02:54:49 Yes. Feb 08 02:54:52 He's dead now. Feb 08 02:54:59 i cant believe i just askdd that with a straight face Feb 08 02:55:08 I stabbed his eyes off with my stylus. Feb 08 02:55:46 i tried that, he said he was charging, so i cowered behind ba cover Feb 08 02:56:30 Gotta stab hard. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Feb 08 02:59:56 2008