**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Feb 08 02:59:56 2008 Feb 08 02:59:59 right backup coming off system or is it safe on mmc2 if i need reflash Feb 08 03:00:48 Gibberish much? Feb 08 03:01:02 lol Feb 08 03:04:01 Craigslist pwns. Feb 08 03:04:05 I found a 770 for $120. Feb 08 03:04:15 Will see if it's still available and if it's not too used up. Feb 08 03:07:36 I think you can get them cheaper on ebay. Feb 08 03:12:18 OMG Feb 08 03:12:24 The guy is like 2 blocks from here. Feb 08 03:13:05 Paulius, luls Feb 08 03:13:09 Rob him Feb 08 03:13:12 hahah Feb 08 03:13:12 no Feb 08 03:13:34 craigslists mailservers probably think I'm a spammer. Feb 08 03:13:45 I'm a hardcore shopper. Done like 6 contacts in the last few minutes. Feb 08 03:13:48 Just got a lot of shit to buy. Feb 08 03:13:52 O_o Feb 08 03:14:13 you can get a new 770 for 120 Feb 08 03:14:26 Where... Feb 08 03:14:30 I've tried finding. Feb 08 03:14:31 ebay :P Feb 08 03:14:38 screw that Feb 08 03:14:49 I asked why he's selling it Feb 08 03:14:56 The guy's like "I've never used it" Feb 08 03:15:01 Heh Feb 08 03:15:03 I'm like... wow, this guy... wow... Feb 08 03:15:25 When the Nokia factory near here was shutting down, they sold 770s for 20 bucks Feb 08 03:15:32 oh geez Feb 08 03:16:00 They ran out, sadly Feb 08 03:16:14 I did get my e70 for 20. Feb 08 03:16:22 that's still amazing. Feb 08 03:16:31 I got my 770 new on TigerDirect for $150. Feb 08 03:16:33 and an N80 for 50 Feb 08 03:16:36 And I thought it was a steal. Feb 08 03:16:46 The Palm crappy ones are like 2x more expensive. Feb 08 03:17:31 $125 from woot.com for my 770 Feb 08 03:17:47 We don't have woot in Canada :-( Feb 08 03:18:02 * Navi doesn't have one of those newfangled ITs. Feb 08 03:18:18 what? Feb 08 03:18:19 heh Feb 08 03:19:37 Sad. Feb 08 03:21:36 woot won't ship to canada? Feb 08 03:21:45 Even if they did, border would kill it. Feb 08 03:21:50 Border fees are rape. Feb 08 03:21:52 oh, that's right, the horrid taxes Feb 08 03:22:00 $80 processing fee. Feb 08 03:22:02 they aren't if you say it's a postcard! :v Feb 08 03:22:03 Plus taxes Feb 08 03:22:06 plus border fees Feb 08 03:22:16 religious materials Feb 08 03:22:16 alystair: I know, but big companies aren't willing to do this. Feb 08 03:26:57 is there a person who downgrade os2008 to os2007? Feb 08 03:28:27 evince of os 2008 seems to have a many memory Feb 08 03:28:35 K-Fox, lots of people have. You just reflash with OS2007 Feb 08 03:29:11 Pretty thick postcard. Feb 08 03:30:28 it would make a great postcard if only it was cheaper and you could count on it getting there intact... Feb 08 03:30:45 Navi: lol Feb 08 03:30:56 The loophole is specifying stuff as gift Feb 08 03:40:03 Hey, I am still having issues with the Lock code on my 770 I have contacted the previous owner and his has no clue what the password is, I have root access any one have any idea how to clear it? Feb 08 03:41:17 kSiR, that's actually an interesting question...if it holds up between flashes it has to be stored in one of the other flash partitions besides the kernel, initfs or / Feb 08 03:43:11 Hurm.... I have thought about this, and I am not persay AGAINST a FULL flash, but I have yet to find some one with instructions on how to do this, Feb 08 03:43:43 as I have a young one, I am afraid they are going to "LOCK" the device and then I am forced to reflash like I had to do today :( Feb 08 03:45:07 I am guessing the only people that can really answer my question would be Nokia? Feb 08 03:45:44 here's what I seem to remember, not saying it's true: You should be able to do a "cold flash" (ie, everything including the bootloader), but it's done through solder points on the board, not through the USB jack Feb 08 03:47:31 johnx, hurm I will have to look around, Ill have to port over tripwire to see if they modifiy any files that I can read as root Feb 08 03:47:34 or atleast modifiy Feb 08 03:49:00 my other idea was for someone else who has a 770 to make a copy of the flash partitions that aren't changed by a reflash and then change the lock code, make another copy and diff the results Feb 08 03:50:43 in the best case, maybe the lock code is just stored as plain text and you can just read it out of the flash...in a worst case scenario it might involve hacking around in the flash with hex editor (not recommended!) Feb 08 03:51:01 maybe it would be easier to find a way to disable lock mode in the first place Feb 08 03:51:13 How do you go about that? I have disabled AUTO LOCK Feb 08 03:51:26 but I did not see an option for the total stop of lock mode Feb 08 03:51:58 I don't think there is an option in the GUI, but there might be something in /etc/mce/mce.ini or a similar file Feb 08 03:53:11 Okay, another question.... how do you restart the network on this device? I have run kesmit and now the nic is in perm mode, Feb 08 03:53:26 in RHEL (what I admin by day) it would just be service network restart Feb 08 03:53:31 maybe unload and reload the modules? Feb 08 03:53:32 but I didnt see anything in the /etc/init.d/ file Feb 08 03:54:00 I think wireless is something like cx3110x and umac Feb 08 03:57:36 ahh, Feb 08 04:02:00 * johnx wanders off to work Feb 08 04:02:37 see ya johnx Feb 08 04:31:56 http://gronmayer.com/it/index.php Feb 08 04:34:24 when it press Click to install , do it install application with package? Feb 08 04:35:21 with a needed package? Feb 08 05:26:47 hey, I'm writing a statusbar plugin. Everything looks good to me, but it's not showing up. Is there a log somewhere? Or do I need to start doing print debugs? Feb 08 06:00:03 is everyone on here developing for maemo? Feb 08 06:05:26 n800 is super device Feb 08 06:05:29 wow Feb 08 06:27:24 rkabir, not me Feb 08 06:27:26 no time Feb 08 06:27:31 K-Fox, indeed Feb 08 06:27:34 N180 is better Feb 08 06:32:37 no N800 is better Feb 08 06:33:09 * Tama^3 blows on the charcoal hoping to kickstart a flamewar Feb 08 06:34:02 so personally, i like the n800 browser's key handling Feb 08 06:34:10 i like pressing up / down to page up and down Feb 08 06:34:14 instead of navigating by links Feb 08 06:34:30 also, having d-pad on the face next to the screen is pretty awesome Feb 08 06:34:34 wait Feb 08 06:34:37 i have it all wrong Feb 08 06:34:44 to support a flame war i need to support the n810! Feb 08 06:34:47 lol Feb 08 06:34:50 damn Feb 08 06:35:30 it's impossible to start a flamewar with such incompetent n00bs! Feb 08 06:35:37 I have to send you to troll school Feb 08 06:35:44 hahaha Feb 08 06:39:39 n810 is better than n800? Feb 08 06:39:57 its smaller, has a metal case Feb 08 06:40:04 i know Feb 08 06:40:05 keyboard Feb 08 06:40:11 it's expensive Feb 08 06:40:12 imho yes Feb 08 06:40:15 since when smaller is better? Feb 08 06:40:22 BIG is better Feb 08 06:40:25 xD Feb 08 06:40:33 Big rips my pockets Feb 08 06:40:35 Tama^3, is that what your g/f tells you ? Feb 08 06:40:54 because most girls will tell you..its what you do with it Feb 08 06:40:57 lol Feb 08 06:40:59 gf? I live in my mum's basement ;_; Feb 08 06:41:05 ohh ok Feb 08 06:41:13 the bigger is better is a myth then Feb 08 06:41:14 and I smell Feb 08 06:41:22 wild and in the jungle Feb 08 06:41:32 i haven't gotten the n810 to lock on GPS yet Feb 08 06:41:44 rkabir, applied the patch ? Feb 08 06:41:48 rkabir: in like 5 days? Feb 08 06:41:50 otherwise it takes a while Feb 08 06:42:00 what patch? Feb 08 06:42:17 http://folks.o-hand.com/jku/osso-gpsd/ Feb 08 06:42:26 you have to apply a band-aid to the GPS antenna Feb 08 06:42:42 is this [un]official ? Feb 08 06:42:47 drawing a silly stick-man on the band-aid helps too Feb 08 06:42:48 rkabir, yes Feb 08 06:42:58 n800 is more doubled cheap than n810 Feb 08 06:43:18 K-Fox, the N800 is much larger Feb 08 06:43:21 this channel is too serious and the people too helpful, I think I will resign Feb 08 06:43:28 xD Feb 08 06:43:31 I can slip the N810 in my back pocket Feb 08 06:43:37 Tama^3, haha Feb 08 06:43:44 * LinuxCode beats Tama^3 with a stick Feb 08 06:44:14 s/stick/stick-man Feb 08 06:49:00 LinuxCode, http://vilunki.wordpress.com/2008/02/04/solution-to-n810-gps-problems/ shows that the patch messes up the firmware? Feb 08 06:49:27 hey, is there a way to turn off word suggestion when there is a bluetooth keyboard attached on OS2008 Feb 08 06:52:01 EruditeHermit: sometimes it pops up and I am unable to disable it, other times it never comes up... Feb 08 06:52:10 I have no idea, I meant to ask the same question Feb 08 06:52:21 rkabir, i havent got a problem Feb 08 06:52:27 ok, cool Feb 08 06:52:29 i'll check it out Feb 08 06:52:32 thx for the heads up Feb 08 06:53:27 you will have to switch into blue pill mode Feb 08 06:54:08 LinuxCode: is that at me? Feb 08 06:54:17 no Feb 08 06:54:20 rkabir, Feb 08 07:09:27 abiword doesn't run on os2008 yet, does it? Feb 08 07:11:40 rkabir: it does, but it isn't released yet Feb 08 07:11:51 rkabir: it will be released to the public soon though Feb 08 07:12:05 EruditeHermit: awesome! thanks for the heads up Feb 08 07:13:11 rkabir: its very buggy right now Feb 08 07:14:58 EruditeHermit: let me know if I can help test Feb 08 07:16:09 rkabir: look on internettablettalk for the abiword thread Feb 08 08:19:19 good morning Feb 08 08:30:52 rkabir: it doesn't "mess up up the firmware" Feb 08 08:31:55 it just isn't possible to install a package that has a different version than a system package, without conflicting with osso-software-version Feb 08 08:33:04 I'd do the exact same thing again, except I'd tell people that the package (or OS2008) has this feature Feb 08 08:47:18 Morning, all Feb 08 09:48:19 hello Feb 08 09:49:05 hi Feb 08 09:49:20 I am looking for a PDA device or Internet tablet with a QWERTY keyboard and Java capabilities. Feb 08 09:49:46 and I came across the Nokia N810, but I also need GPRS. Feb 08 09:50:28 is there any maemo compatible device that will give me those functions? Feb 08 09:50:49 bluetooth and/or USB host are also necessary Feb 08 09:50:50 well if you have a bluetooth cellphone the tablets can use its GPRS... Feb 08 09:51:06 the java capabilities of maemo are not quite there yet afaik Feb 08 09:51:45 i see your point... great idea to use an external GPRS phone Feb 08 09:53:04 this might help you: http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Getting_started_with_Java_on_maemo Feb 08 09:53:20 <|tbb|> morning all Feb 08 09:53:24 i have never used java on the a tablet myself Feb 08 09:53:56 good morning tbb Feb 08 09:54:02 my customer has a group of java developers writing a mobile app that requires GPRS, QWERTY and fingerprint scanner Feb 08 09:54:05 though it is 2am here Feb 08 09:54:35 I am having a hard time finding the proper platform Feb 08 09:55:30 <|tbb|> ive installed lcars theme on my n770 HE anyone got problems to install the additional soundpack for that theme, or know about that? Feb 08 09:56:28 tbb, i am one of the lcars developers Feb 08 09:57:22 the bad news is that if you installed the old 2.0 theme on the version 4.2007 hacker edition, it overwrote your built-in icons :( Feb 08 09:57:34 there is a warning on the page about it... Feb 08 09:58:19 http://synthesize.us/LCARS_PADD/v2.0 has instructions for updating your dpkg Feb 08 09:58:28 if you do that, you can install the sounds Feb 08 09:58:41 had you updated dpkg prior to installing the theme, the icons would not be overwritten Feb 08 09:58:52 sorry about that :( Feb 08 10:01:37 btw, for N8x0 users we released a new ITOS2008-compatible version of LCARS Feb 08 10:01:59 supposedly there will be an ITOS2008 hacker edition also, but who knows when Feb 08 10:03:23 the new theme is at http://synthesize.us/LCARS_PADD Feb 08 10:03:59 (as i already mentioned a while ago) Feb 08 10:08:39 <|tbb|> leif_ thanks, for the point. dont worry about that allready had flashed the n770 to HE Feb 08 10:08:53 <|tbb|> now reflash ;) Feb 08 10:09:01 <|tbb|> the theme is quite nice Feb 08 10:09:12 thanks Feb 08 10:09:43 my brother actually did all the graphics, i just helped package it Feb 08 10:20:10 <_collin_> he Feb 08 10:27:20 has anyone here tried Mac OS 7 in Basilisk II yet? http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=139704 Feb 08 10:45:30 n Feb 08 11:01:55 hi, are there a good calendar application for maemo OS 2008 ? Feb 08 11:02:06 hi! got a telephone call right know. nokia-de noticed, that they "sold" me the n810 for free and know they will debit the 99€ Feb 08 11:03:29 harobed, "good calendar application" is so subjective, you could try gpe-calendar and dates Feb 08 11:03:31 <`0660> i'd be furious if someone would charge me 99 € for n810 :) Feb 08 11:04:12 last time I've used dates, it isn't usable on OS 2007 Feb 08 11:04:23 Hmm, my console font is a bit wrong, it shows a diamond instead of euro Feb 08 11:05:54 harobed, not usable as in doesn't work or not usable as in hard to use? Feb 08 11:06:09 same dialog box are to large Feb 08 11:07:23 good morning Feb 08 11:07:33 * florian just had to re-open #19 Feb 08 11:26:28 morning, florian Feb 08 11:26:51 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19 is *old* Feb 08 11:30:44 Jaffa: yesh... I wonder why it is back since ti was verified to be fixed by QA Feb 08 11:34:26 <|tbb|> what are the biggest sd card for n810 available? Feb 08 11:34:53 hi chaps Feb 08 11:35:09 |tbb|: 16GB Feb 08 11:41:16 <|tbb|> X-Fade_: in europe? Feb 08 11:43:54 harobed: report a bug on dates then Feb 08 11:55:14 hi, any idea what are the best settings for transcoding a video using VLC to a file that offers smooth playback and maximum quality on a n800 with mplayer on OS2008 ? Feb 08 12:00:44 benno2: similar to the "best" preset on http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org/tablet-encode.html (ie. line 20 on https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/tablet-encode/tablet-encode?annotate=60&root=mediautils ) Feb 08 12:02:52 Jaffa: thanks but for audio what should i chose ? Feb 08 12:02:58 mp3 ? Feb 08 12:03:02 Yes. Feb 08 12:03:22 MPEG4 video. i.e. the usual DivX/Xvid combination Feb 08 12:06:32 in vlc i see: mpeg ts , mpeg ps , mpeg 1 , ogg asf , mp4 mov. Feb 08 12:06:42 should I chose MP4 Feb 08 12:07:32 then belowe I can chose video codeg amongst mp4v, div1,2,3 h263,264 Feb 08 12:09:59 benno2: what os are you using? Feb 08 12:10:09 os2008 thanks Feb 08 12:10:12 n800 Feb 08 12:10:19 on desktop Feb 08 12:11:22 windows, linux, os x? Feb 08 12:11:37 i have been messing with vlc quite a lot and i have pretty good settings for streaming Feb 08 12:12:24 but the thing is, new vlc version is just around the corner and old settings won't work with it Feb 08 12:18:01 benno2: maxwidth=400,maxheight=240,canvas-width=400,canvas-height=240,canvas-aspect-ratio="400:240",vcodec=xvid,vb=800,acodec=mp3,ab=128,channels=2,fps=24,venc=ffmpeg{trellis} Feb 08 12:18:18 should work with vlc 0.8.6 Feb 08 12:23:51 thanks solmumaha ! I want to transcode some movies to watch them while on the road Feb 08 12:27:14 you need to use that from the command line, transcoding wizard doesn't allow to change resolution if i'm not mistaken Feb 08 12:27:34 but what os are you using on your desktop? Feb 08 12:28:27 solmumaha: using windows. can I start vlc via commandline ? Feb 08 12:28:53 sure Feb 08 12:30:08 solmumaha: thanks but what is the exact commandline I must pass to vlc ? Feb 08 12:30:43 vlc.exe options infile outfile ? Feb 08 12:32:21 benno2: something like this: VLC.exe -I dummy -vvv FILE_TO_TRANSCODE --sout=#transcode{maxwidth=400,maxheight=240,canvas-width=400,canvas-height=240,canvas-aspect-ratio="400:240",vcodec=xvid,vb=800,acodec=mp3,ab=128,channels=2,fps=24,venc=ffmpeg{trellis}}:standard{access=file,mux=asf,dst=OUTPUTFILE} vlc:quit Feb 08 12:32:34 thanks alot ! trying now Feb 08 12:33:02 change input/output of course Feb 08 12:35:35 benno2: if vlc doesn't recognize some of the settings, leave out canvas stuff and change maxwidth/maxheight to widht/height Feb 08 12:35:36 yes, btw do you know how I can escape spaces in file names ? Feb 08 12:36:01 put the filename in singlequotes Feb 08 12:36:02 for example if my input file is c:\my dir\my file.avi Feb 08 12:36:06 thanks Feb 08 12:38:24 Anybody else notice a device reboot after a longer period of gps usage on N810? > 1 hour? Feb 08 12:39:17 X-Fade, no, I've had it running for several hours many times Feb 08 12:39:36 jku: Using Map? Feb 08 12:39:40 no Feb 08 12:39:52 I only had the satellite view open in Map.. Feb 08 12:39:56 http://focus.ti.com/lit/ug/spru574/spru574.pdf is interesting, it talks about the iMX and VLC DSP coprocessors; I wonder if this is what makes up the IVA? Feb 08 12:44:49 lardman: trying to get any informations on 2d/3d unit of omap2420? Feb 08 12:46:26 hrw: I've got some info about that, a 2.6.x driver to be exact :) Feb 08 12:46:55 hrw: it doesn't create proc and dev entries when I insmod it though, so I'll need to take a closer look at where it's going wrong Feb 08 12:47:08 hence my interest in call tree flattening Feb 08 12:47:27 I was actually looking at the IVA (another unused bit of hw) Feb 08 12:48:13 I would like to see 3d unit working Feb 08 12:48:19 same here Feb 08 12:49:02 I'd also be interested to see the IVA working - better image and video decoding Feb 08 12:50:20 The DSP has hardware extensions (coprocessors I guess) which do IDCT/DCT and Motion estimation Feb 08 12:50:48 solmumaha: tried to encode a clip with your settings, works quite well. thanks alot ! Feb 08 12:51:32 k, glad it worked Feb 08 12:52:45 solmumaha: but these infos are hard to find online Feb 08 12:53:03 solmumaha: you should publish it on maemo.org somewhere. Feb 08 12:58:26 benno2: actually i've written an app for that, but i'm not sure i will release it. Feb 08 12:58:45 benno2: and those settings won't work with vlc 0.9.0 anyways Feb 08 13:00:25 solmumaha: an app for what OS ? Feb 08 13:00:44 i have seen nokia has a tablet encoder. is it any better than vlc,mencoder ? Feb 08 13:00:58 i think it's quite good Feb 08 13:01:02 Sad news about ferenc - although hopefully he's going on to bigger & better things Feb 08 13:01:26 Jaffa: Yep, he is.. But he will still stay active. Feb 08 13:01:43 solmumaha: so assuming I am on windows. should I use tablet encoder + mplayer , vlc + mplayer, tablet encoder + integrated video player ? Feb 08 13:02:17 X-Fade: cool. And congrats on all your publicity recently from Quim ;-) Feb 08 13:02:19 benno2: my app is for tablet, but it uses a server that only works on linux/bsd/os x so sorry :) Feb 08 13:02:52 solmumaha: dont worry :) I am a linux guy too, but for laziness I use windows on my laptop Feb 08 13:02:57 benno2: i haven't used the nokia's encoder but i've heard it's pretty good, right Jaffa? Feb 08 13:03:01 Jaffa: Hehe, I'll meet Ferenc for beers next week. Feb 08 13:03:15 Jaffa: Yeah, Quim is pimping me out ;) Feb 08 13:03:21 benno2: want to be my beta tester someday? Feb 08 13:04:04 solmumaha: not sure if I have so much time this month :( Feb 08 13:04:26 btw does the n800 work as a mythtv frontend ? would be cool Feb 08 13:04:48 i'm in no hurry, i can't do anything until 0.9.0 is released Feb 08 13:05:00 benno2: there's a mobilemyth client on garage Feb 08 13:10:39 solmumaha: Yeah, on Windows Nokia's ITVC is pretty cool Feb 08 13:11:21 <|tbb|> is it just me or have some other noticed that the tablet encoder from nokia will make the videos which converted 3 or more times bigger in filesize? Feb 08 13:14:25 |tbb|: sorry, i didn't remember to remind you to remind me about that alert thing Feb 08 13:15:00 solmumaha: don't forget to remind |tbb| to remind you about that alert thing Feb 08 13:15:14 Tak: thanks Feb 08 13:17:04 <|tbb|> ah k, solmumaha: i should remind you about testing the alert thing, could you try it please? Feb 08 13:17:39 |tbb|: sure, just remind me when i get home Feb 08 13:24:01 I'm looking for sqlite3 command line tool for OS 2008, anybody know where to find it? Feb 08 13:26:27 <|tbb|> is it possible to start a script only once, so if its running it should not start again? Feb 08 13:26:55 <|tbb|> without ps aux|grep myap etc. Feb 08 13:27:25 |tbb|: touch a pid file and check if it exists before doing anything else Feb 08 13:28:40 [[ ! -e $PIDFILE ]] && exit Feb 08 13:32:45 <|tbb|> kortsi: so i have to create a pidfile firs, but how? Feb 08 13:32:55 <|tbb|> s/firs/first/ Feb 08 13:32:55 |tbb| meant: kortsi: so i have to create a pidfile first, but how? Feb 08 13:34:37 First time you run your script, "touch $PIDFILE" Feb 08 13:34:57 Second time you try to run, it should stop because $PIDFILE exists Feb 08 13:35:23 When you shut down in a controlled way, "rm -f $PIDFILE" Feb 08 13:37:19 |tbb|: oops, that test should actually be "[[ -e $PIDFILE ]] && exit" Feb 08 13:40:41 |tbb|: case "$1" in 'start') [[ -e $PIDFILE ]] && exit; touch $PIDFILE; start_the_daemon_process;; 'stop') kill_the_daemon_process; rm -f $PIDFILE;; *) echo "Usage: a_little_daemon_process (start|stop);; esac Feb 08 13:41:46 is there any software to maemo to see (via bluetooth) like for example playlist of media player or foobar? Feb 08 13:42:01 like that program would work as a remote Feb 08 13:42:08 |tbb|: sorry for possible mistakes, I didn't test it Feb 08 13:42:25 depends how said bluetooth enabled player exports its data Feb 08 13:45:24 <|tbb|> touch $PIDFILE returns missing operator Feb 08 13:47:39 <|tbb|> do i have to create this pidfile first? Feb 08 13:47:50 define it Feb 08 13:48:20 PIDFILE=path Feb 08 13:49:33 |tbb|: you need to define $PIDFILE first Feb 08 13:50:28 |tbb|: eg. "PIDFILE=/var/run/my_daemons_pidfile.pid" Feb 08 13:51:19 g'morning Feb 08 13:53:09 <|tbb|> does /var/run includes all running processes? Feb 08 14:01:17 can I see smb shares under OS2008 ? Feb 08 14:02:49 benno2: yes, but i'm not sure you can authenticate Feb 08 14:02:59 at least i didn't find a way to do that Feb 08 14:03:06 solmumaha: and without authentication it works ? Feb 08 14:03:19 |tbb|: /var/run is the traditional place for pid files - but remember you must be root to write there Feb 08 14:03:42 benno2: i'd think so, can't say, mine needed auth :) Feb 08 14:03:45 |tbb|: if running as a user, use their home dir Feb 08 14:04:03 can't you use mount_smbfs and pass auth data as parameter? Feb 08 14:04:39 mwaldron: not very user friendly :) Feb 08 14:04:44 and upnp works ok Feb 08 14:04:46 good point Feb 08 14:05:05 derf: can one have a mix of sparse and ~sparse codebook entries in a single codebook? Feb 08 14:05:24 s/~sparse/!sparse - too much MATLAB Feb 08 14:06:22 <|tbb|> my whole question goes there if i run /usr/sbin/myscript.sh how do i add a pidfile into /var/run/ forexample Feb 08 14:06:23 does anybody have a precompiled sqlite3 command line interface for OS 2008? libsqlite3 is there, but no cli Feb 08 14:07:06 |tbb|: just use the command "touch /var/run/myscript.pid" - the touch command will create an empty file there Feb 08 14:07:47 kortsi: according to gronmayer, debfarm has it Feb 08 14:08:00 |tbb|: and "rm -f /var/run/myscript.pid" - be careful with the rm -f as always! Feb 08 14:08:09 <|tbb|> ah k Feb 08 14:08:21 solmumaha: do I need to install extra packages to mount smb shares ? Feb 08 14:08:28 solmumaha: what is debfarm? Feb 08 14:08:41 I tried mount -t smbfs //IP/mydir /mnt/localdir Feb 08 14:08:48 but it does not work Feb 08 14:09:11 kortsi: http://gronmayer.com/it/ search for sqlite3 Feb 08 14:09:37 <|tbb|> whats the diffrence to do echo > /var/run/myscript.pid Feb 08 14:10:37 |tbb|: not much really - "echo" just echoes a linefeed to the file; "touch" creates a file of 0 bytes Feb 08 14:11:16 <|tbb|> ah k ,thx for teaching nix Feb 08 14:13:36 benno2: you probably need the smbfs kernel module - don't know if it is there by default Feb 08 14:13:47 |tbb|: no problem Feb 08 14:14:08 lardman: No. Feb 08 14:14:17 And I'm just fine with Matlab notation. Feb 08 14:15:17 derf: fine, the description (http://xiph.org/vorbis/doc/Vorbis_I_spec.html#vorbis-spec-codebook) is marginally confusing Feb 08 14:15:21 * mwaldron waits patiently for his 810 "5:53 A.M.OUT FOR DELIVERY" Feb 08 14:15:48 derf: but mainly down to me Feb 08 14:16:18 I thought the part where it reads a single one-bit sparse flag for the codebook made it clear. Feb 08 14:16:51 I was just confused that is says "The decoder now performs for each of the [codebook_entries] codebook entries:" Feb 08 14:17:20 then mentions the check of whether [sparse] is set; but then I should have just read it again and seen that [sparse] is read outside of the loop Feb 08 14:18:01 is there a more generic 'user' maemo channel (for stupid newbie questions and the like)? Feb 08 14:18:08 no Feb 08 14:18:38 This it it. Feb 08 14:18:46 er, is, even. Feb 08 14:18:54 then i will try to keep my newb questions to a dull roar Feb 08 14:19:10 <|tbb|> to save some variables from script which i need later, is it better to save them to a file or into gconf registry Feb 08 14:19:17 <|tbb|> for general? Feb 08 14:19:33 jott: if there's anything i should change on exult send a /msg. At this point it's ready for packaging imo. Feb 08 14:19:39 Afk testing Feb 08 14:19:47 congratulations @ ready for packaging Feb 08 14:21:13 |tbb|: for shell scripts a simple file is better. just add lines like "VARIABLE=value" and in your script you can load them all with ". settings.sh" Feb 08 14:24:13 <|tbb|> you mean, echo 'myvariable="myvalue"' > settings.sh and in script later loadvariables=`cat settings.sh` ? Feb 08 14:24:20 solmumaha: thanks, sqlite3 is in debfarm - just some dependency things to solve Feb 08 14:25:17 |tbb|: echo 'myvariable="myvalue"' > settings.sh and in script later: . settings.sh Feb 08 14:25:37 |tbb|: note the space between . and settings.sh Feb 08 14:25:58 <||cw> |tbb|: not loadvariables=`cat...', but import settings.sh Feb 08 14:26:37 <|tbb|> but settings.sh must be executable and begin with #!/bin/sh ? Feb 08 14:28:17 |tbb|: yes Feb 08 14:28:43 <|tbb|> last question about sh scripting, when i need to replace one line of a file like firstline=foo secondline=bar thirdline=foobar only replace secondline to secondline=barfoo Feb 08 14:28:54 |tbb|: settings.sh is actually just another shell script. the "." command just imports the environment from the script Feb 08 14:29:48 <|tbb|> kortsi ok, for my last question upper -> is that possible with basic tools of itos2008 Feb 08 14:30:12 |tbb|: im sorry i dont quite understand the question Feb 08 14:30:39 <|tbb|> replaceing a line of a file Feb 08 14:30:53 standard unix way is to use textfiles (1969) Feb 08 14:32:27 I would assume that os2008 has sed Feb 08 14:32:44 |tbb|: so you wan't a script to replace a line in a text file? by line number or by some search string? Feb 08 14:32:56 <|tbb|> search string Feb 08 14:33:01 but some people hate simplicity. they want to make complexity and assume control Feb 08 14:33:04 <|tbb|> yeah right Feb 08 14:36:22 |tbb|: sed really is there. you want to read the manual ("man sed") first. but a quick command would be sed -e 's/searchstring/replacestring/g' file. that will replace every "searchstring" with "replacestring" in the file. understands basic regular expressions too Feb 08 14:38:11 <|tbb|> ah k Feb 08 14:39:07 Interestingly re: the sponginess of my new N800, the spongier of the two units does actually seem to have better touchscreen response. Feb 08 14:42:38 derf: presumably an overpopulated tree is a bad sign? Feb 08 15:13:32 what is the name of app installer (GUI). cant find it Feb 08 15:15:06 hildon-application-manager Feb 08 15:16:59 ah hildon. i looked for osso* Feb 08 15:18:31 nope. also not hildon. there is only hildon-input-method Feb 08 15:23:41 where are you looking? Feb 08 15:23:57 it's in /usr/bin/hildon-application-manager on the device Feb 08 15:24:48 project lives here: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/hildon-app-mgr/ Feb 08 15:27:41 is this the default one? Feb 08 15:28:09 Yep, it is developed in the open. Feb 08 15:28:14 i want to start a .install file to have a look at why it stucks Feb 08 15:28:31 n810 or n800? Feb 08 15:28:47 ITOS ;) Feb 08 15:33:09 better way: http://nopaste.unixfreunde.de/421 <- where is the mistake Feb 08 15:33:30 wow, I didn't know we had the app manager source Feb 08 15:34:50 Tak, me neither Feb 08 15:35:10 * Tak may be submitting patches in near future Feb 08 15:39:21 * Jaffa neither. Feb 08 15:39:29 Someone could finally implement the tag cloud suggestion Feb 08 15:39:57 X-Fade++ Feb 08 15:42:53 wo my 810 is delivered. i just have to wait for teh gnomes to bring it to my desk Feb 08 15:43:41 * Tak send pixies to intercept Feb 08 15:43:58 heh Feb 08 16:14:54 |tbb|: no alarm after boot Feb 08 16:27:10 what is the best case for the n800? Feb 08 16:27:56 lowercase Feb 08 16:28:33 Proporta HD case is supposed to be good. Feb 08 16:28:49 <|tbb|> solmumaha: same as me, to bad. But when does a tablet requires a reboot anyway ;) Feb 08 16:31:18 |tbb|: after installing Canola, apparently ("daemons need restarting", why they can't just send SIGHUP to them in postinst, I've no idea) Feb 08 17:24:02 Jaffa: some are not the same daemon Feb 08 17:24:09 Jaffa: like downloadmanager Feb 08 17:25:34 k-s[WORK]: postinst's a shell script in which you can do anything you want, including (say): /etc/init.d/downloadmanager stop; /etc/init.d/lms stop; /etc/init.d/lms start; /etc/init.d/downloadmanager start Feb 08 17:25:49 * Jaffa accepts getting the users to restart is easier, but it's a bit messy TBH Feb 08 17:26:10 Jaffa: yes, that's true... I was talking about SIGHUP :-) Feb 08 17:26:55 k-s[WORK]: lots of SIGHUPs (assuming they're configured to restart on SIGHUP or reload config or ...) Feb 08 17:27:44 Jaffa: downloadmanager was in C, now in python... no sighup would help :-D Feb 08 18:07:49 anyone here every gotten Perlin Noise functions to work? >_> Feb 08 18:07:56 GeneralAntilles: ehh? :P Feb 08 18:08:15 You need an icons to integrate advanced backlight with LCARS. Feb 08 18:08:19 rofl yes Feb 08 18:08:21 you said that Feb 08 18:08:29 You try LCARS yet? Feb 08 18:08:37 no Feb 08 18:09:01 Do it! Feb 08 18:09:05 It's high-hilarity. Feb 08 18:09:11 heh Feb 08 18:09:18 * GeneralAntilles is glad he has some tablets that he doesn't have to be seen in public with. Feb 08 18:11:33 Any idea what the maximum size for statusbar applet icons is? Feb 08 18:12:25 40x40 maybe Feb 08 18:12:39 I still want them to release the damn doom3 theme Feb 08 18:15:11 OK. I guess it's time to upgrade from the leaked OS2008 beta. Feb 08 18:15:28 how is rtcomm? Feb 08 18:15:56 For what in particular? Feb 08 18:16:15 I heard rumblings that the rtcomm betas caused problems -- last monthish Feb 08 18:16:25 We're beyond that. Feb 08 18:16:29 cool. Feb 08 18:34:25 rm_you, you haven't done anything icon-wise, right? Feb 08 18:34:39 (Not, LCARS, generic Hildon) Feb 08 18:54:46 rm_you, http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/adv-backlight-icon.png Feb 08 19:03:18 GeneralAntilles: well I think it looks good! Feb 08 19:15:33 no release yet jott, Tak -exult still too annoying to play Feb 08 19:16:25 I wanted to start working on mobile firefox, and installed maemo in a vmware guest (ubuntu dapper, host is ubuntu gutsy) as described here: http://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/Build/Maemo_Build_Instructions Feb 08 19:17:03 but I don't seem to have working dns in maemo, only IP addresses work (dns works in the scratchbox prompt) Feb 08 19:17:06 any ideas? Feb 08 19:17:16 hello Feb 08 19:17:48 pupnik: yeah i must agree unfortunately .. it lags quite hard when loading the mp3 :( Feb 08 19:18:56 jott does the character face icon for spark appear in the lower left of your screen? Feb 08 19:18:59 you still fork a gst-launch Feb 08 19:19:22 uhm no .. ah and the main menu is not centered.. Feb 08 19:19:41 (as in centered in the double-sized screen though in the lower left corner) Feb 08 19:19:45 erm lower right Feb 08 19:20:05 the main menu on startup should be pixel-doubled and fullscreen centered Feb 08 19:20:23 erm the in-game menu.. Feb 08 19:20:27 when pressing esc Feb 08 19:20:36 the in game menu is centered here :/ Feb 08 19:20:46 did you use my exult.cfg? Feb 08 19:20:54 yeah should be Feb 08 19:21:02 * jott double checks Feb 08 19:21:24 yeah it's your cfg Feb 08 19:21:32 strange Feb 08 19:22:08 ok what do you think about making the 'enter' dpad button be mouse toggle Feb 08 19:22:16 very hard to reach F7 on the n810 Feb 08 19:22:41 nah dpad is much much harder to reach with a closed n810 ;) Feb 08 19:22:51 ok Feb 08 19:23:00 GeneralAntilles: neat. it needs stages Feb 08 19:23:09 ;) Feb 08 19:23:16 also i was annoyed when clicking on character icons, that the party moved to the location of the click Feb 08 19:23:19 it needs one stage for every combinartion of backlight / volume Feb 08 19:23:20 sooooo Feb 08 19:23:25 i.e. the first click is registered as a movement click Feb 08 19:23:31 4 * 5 Feb 08 19:23:37 ah and another thing i noticed, i did no manage to drive a wagon.. Feb 08 19:23:50 Way ahead of you. :P Feb 08 19:23:54 an alternative is to hit the 'i' key to bring up the character inventory Feb 08 19:23:54 4 backlight levels (full -> empty) and 5 volume levels (full -> empty -> muted) Feb 08 19:23:58 Do PSDs work for you? Feb 08 19:24:03 GeneralAntilles: yes Feb 08 19:24:04 ok i heard of a wagon problem in the #exult channel Feb 08 19:24:06 but don't know if this is due to the cvs version Feb 08 19:24:14 GeneralAntilles: good work :P Feb 08 19:24:33 do you know when 1.4 is targeted? Feb 08 19:24:41 no Feb 08 19:25:14 1.2 seems more reliable at the moement :/ Feb 08 19:26:10 heikkit: check /etc/resolv.conf in Scratchbox Feb 08 19:28:57 Jaffa: hmm, strange.. .yesterday it was identical to what was in vmware guest, now scratchbox version has just localhost Feb 08 19:29:00 * heikkit goes to edit Feb 08 19:31:25 Jaffa: wohoo, works! thanks Feb 08 19:33:07 np Feb 08 19:37:48 are you supposed to have networking when running the maemo sdk? Feb 08 19:38:12 Networking inside maemo, that is Feb 08 19:38:22 http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/adv-backlight-icon.png http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/adv-backlight-icon.psd Feb 08 19:38:54 6*4 Feb 08 19:41:06 Navi: yes Feb 08 19:41:17 >_> How do you set it up? Feb 08 19:42:25 It's not working for me. Feb 08 19:42:59 Navi: maybe you need to trick it: http://hildon-app-mgr.garage.maemo.org/redpill-stable.html Feb 08 19:44:07 rm_you, I could add some more backlight levels, too, if you want to go crazy'n'such. Feb 08 19:44:12 heh Feb 08 19:44:21 as many as you can make look nice Feb 08 19:44:29 but remember it's O(m*n) Feb 08 19:44:35 <_< Feb 08 19:45:54 how can i set the osso-xterm to black background and white text? Feb 08 19:45:54 heikkit: figure out your scratchbox issue w/resolving DNS? Feb 08 19:46:19 Navi: check your /etc/resolv.conf and /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf Feb 08 19:46:26 same for nsswitch.conf Feb 08 19:46:37 thp, xterm menu, Tools, Settings... Feb 08 19:46:46 fysa: yes, scratchbox's /etc/resolv.conf pointed only to localhost (I am sure I checked that yesterday, but it works now, so I am happy) Feb 08 19:46:50 make sure the settings are proper on both target and host side Feb 08 19:47:19 cool. Feb 08 19:47:28 GeneralAntilles: but the text doesn't change to white then Feb 08 19:47:34 Look harder. Feb 08 19:47:44 ah, thanks Feb 08 19:47:45 ;) Feb 08 19:47:50 heikkit: I am incredibly interested in Mobile Firefox. It supports extensions, right? Feb 08 19:48:10 fysa: the plan is to support extensions, yes Feb 08 19:48:39 and you know of the grabanddrag extension? Feb 08 19:48:49 no Feb 08 19:48:55 I have nsswitch.conf with the line hosts: files dns Feb 08 19:49:08 http://grabanddrag.mozdev.org Feb 08 19:49:11 and my resolv.conf entry is correct. Feb 08 19:49:12 heikkit: grandanddrag will be very nice to have. Feb 08 19:49:29 (Even better, of course, if Gtk just acted like that throughout Maemo/ITOS) Feb 08 19:49:32 grabanddrag is the #1 reason I want a more featured mozilla build. Feb 08 19:49:37 * heikkit is reading t he page and watching the video Feb 08 19:49:42 GeneralAntilles: I have to leave for the weekend like... now... Feb 08 19:49:47 email me comments / files Feb 08 19:49:47 #2 is bookmark sync ;) Feb 08 19:49:52 Will do. Feb 08 19:49:54 Have fun. Feb 08 19:52:21 apt-get update works inside sbox. Feb 08 19:54:22 Gah, this sucks. Feb 08 19:55:57 Navi: I am noooo expert, and haven't tried this, but have you set a LD_PRELOAD ? Feb 08 19:56:11 No. Feb 08 19:56:32 Navi: http://osdir.com/ml/handhelds.maemo.devel/2005-08/msg00176.html Feb 08 19:57:00 Navi: no idea if it's still relevant, or will help though... Feb 08 19:57:45 No go. Feb 08 19:58:08 Navi: doh. sorry! Feb 08 19:59:26 Whatever, I'll live. Thanks anyway. Feb 08 20:03:37 heikkit: it's very configurable.. Feb 08 20:04:45 fysa: it seems like that kind of scrolling functionality should be built in, I think one of the mobile fx devs is going to take a look at that extension and see how that would work Feb 08 20:04:58 fysa: thanks for the pointer Feb 08 20:05:30 heikkit: yes, it should definitely be built-in. having a dev case with firefox (even full firefox) on a maemo with that extension would be excellent for usability testing. Feb 08 20:06:03 fysa: actually, you can have full fx on maemo right now - it just isn't optimized for it yet Feb 08 20:07:51 never even thought to try compiling it.. been trying to get WebKit going. Feb 08 20:09:10 but now that you mentioned it. Feb 08 20:10:25 fysa: used these instructions without any trouble (apart from that dns): http://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/Build/Maemo_Build_Instructions Feb 08 20:15:23 nice Feb 08 20:15:25 thanks. Feb 08 20:15:39 did you try it on your device yet? Feb 08 20:15:43 or just in scratchbox? Feb 08 20:20:00 Can anyone here help me load python2.5? Feb 08 20:24:33 what is the repository name to add to for the 3rd party apps (mameo.org, itt software, etc) Feb 08 20:25:44 maemo.org Feb 08 20:25:46 mwaldron: extras Feb 08 20:26:12 extras.maemo.org then? Feb 08 20:26:25 mwaldron: use the application manager. Feb 08 20:26:40 yes, i am Feb 08 20:26:40 the repository is there by default (on os2008), it is just not activated Feb 08 20:26:47 Ah, it needs activated. got it Feb 08 20:26:50 thats' what i was missing Feb 08 20:27:09 thanks Feb 08 20:27:44 Hi, I need help loading python2.5. Can someone help me, please? Feb 08 20:27:47 Hoppy: as long as you have the extras repo activated (see above :) ), installing any application that requires python2.5 should install it as well Feb 08 20:28:08 you can also use a terminal and launch 'apt-get install python2.5-runtime' Feb 08 20:29:06 Thanks. I think it is activated. The "disabled" button in the catalog details is unchecked. Feb 08 20:32:22 fysa: I don't have the physical device, so just in scratchbox. however, one of the mobile fx devs showed fx running in two n8xx devices Feb 08 20:32:36 fysa: to me, so I definitely know it works Feb 08 20:44:52 Does anyone know if carman or maemo-periodic will run in OS2008? Feb 08 20:45:41 Trying to install i keep getting the message "unable to install maemo-periodic. Incompatible application package" Feb 08 20:46:07 Hello Feb 08 20:47:49 Hoppy: try red pill mode Feb 08 20:48:41 How do I do that? Feb 08 20:49:38 isnt there a problem with people getting stuff from extras because nokia screwed up? Feb 08 20:49:47 different countries having problems etc Feb 08 20:52:18 Hoppy: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/applicationmanagerredpillmode/ Feb 08 20:52:51 melmoth: thanks, i'll check it out. Feb 08 20:53:34 Has anyone ever heard of useing an n800 as a bluetooth headset? I'd like to be able to keep my phone in my pocket and use the n800's mic/headphones. Feb 08 20:53:55 phonelink is what you're after. Feb 08 20:54:56 phonelink... I'll look it up. thanks GeneralAntilles Feb 08 20:58:23 apt-get beer Feb 08 20:58:34 No. Feb 08 20:58:43 sudo apt-get beer Feb 08 20:58:46 OK. Feb 08 20:58:49 :D Feb 08 20:58:59 hows it goin gen? Feb 08 20:59:19 * lcuk_2 can type again finally and 810 isnt bein a cylon. thanks :) Feb 08 20:59:28 Just finished up my new icon set for adv-backlight. Feb 08 20:59:36 http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/adv-backlight-icons.zip Feb 08 20:59:42 70 cmd-shift-s's Feb 08 20:59:43 cool, ive just started on the road to sdl Feb 08 21:00:00 I need to figure out how to get Photoshop to automate those psd flattenings. Feb 08 21:00:02 Such a pain. Feb 08 21:00:29 my old painty thingy just flattens anything if i save it as a png Feb 08 21:00:55 Yeah, I make heavy use of layers for most projects. Feb 08 21:01:12 isn't gimp scriptable? Feb 08 21:01:27 So, for stuff like status bar icons and video game textures (with multiple "skins"), I have to show only the layers I want for that particular flattening. Feb 08 21:01:55 "Copy merged" :) - in psp anyway... Feb 08 21:02:12 "Past as new image" Feb 08 21:02:14 +e Feb 08 21:02:15 lcuk_2: Error: "e" is not a valid command. Feb 08 21:02:27 +1 Feb 08 21:02:27 lcuk_2: Error: "1" is not a valid command. Feb 08 21:02:44 +GeneralAntilles loves his cat Feb 08 21:02:46 lcuk_2: Error: "GeneralAntilles" is not a valid command. Feb 08 21:02:50 Haha Feb 08 21:02:52 +help Feb 08 21:02:52 GeneralAntilles: (help [] []) -- This command gives a useful description of what does. is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. Feb 08 21:02:58 Bleh Feb 08 21:03:08 +i_need_somebody Feb 08 21:03:08 lcuk_2: Error: "i_need_somebody" is not a valid command. Feb 08 21:03:12 +help Feb 08 21:03:13 lcuk_2: (help [] []) -- This command gives a useful description of what does. is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. Feb 08 21:03:18 +not_just_anybody Feb 08 21:03:19 lcuk_2: Error: "not_just_anybody" is not a valid command. Feb 08 21:03:20 cool Feb 08 21:03:53 if my name had a + at the start of it and the bot was telling me off, would he get caught in a loop? Feb 08 21:04:10 Depends on what he parses. Feb 08 21:04:12 Probably, no. Feb 08 21:04:16 +awww Feb 08 21:04:17 lcuk_2: Error: "awww" is not a valid command. Feb 08 21:04:24 damn name not changed Feb 08 21:04:42 ahhhh xchat wont let me :( Feb 08 21:05:29 i made my 810 into a nice hand warmer last nice Feb 08 21:05:33 nite Feb 08 21:06:09 Haha Feb 08 21:06:11 Watching movies? Feb 08 21:06:38 nope, i was looking at fullscreen (and beyond) blits in dsl and see what works and what doesnt Feb 08 21:06:43 sdl Feb 08 21:06:53 * lcuk_2 needs a nubile secutary typist Feb 08 21:07:02 (with a dictionary) Feb 08 21:07:30 GeneralAntilles: It seems that phonelink is only for dialing, and sending sms messages, not for using the n800 as a headset for a phone. have you seen it used as such? Am I missing some thing? Feb 08 21:07:44 My phone doesn't play nice with phonelink Feb 08 21:07:47 so I haven't used it Feb 08 21:07:50 I thought it did that Feb 08 21:07:52 but I guess not. Feb 08 21:08:32 darn... I got all excited :( Feb 08 21:08:51 bipolar, i think thats a damned good start, ive not heard about an interactive device like this one before. you might be able to find other info on the forums of the phonelink site because if GeneralAntilles thought of it, you can be damned sure someone else has as well Feb 08 21:09:06 Hi Feb 08 21:09:22 hi hkertan Feb 08 21:09:29 finally home from a long week? Feb 08 21:09:43 is there a way to boost audio out in gain ? Feb 08 21:10:00 you mean from the headphone socket? Feb 08 21:10:17 and using the nokia headphones Feb 08 21:10:19 lcuk_2: yes ... finally out... of a very long week ... with too many short deadline ... Feb 08 21:10:34 lcuk_2: i mean with software Feb 08 21:10:57 lcuk_2: so far all i've found is others trying to do the same thing :( Feb 08 21:11:06 thats february for you - all the xmas relaxation and slow windup in january makes for february a stressfull month, sit back get a beer and enjoy your weekend :) Feb 08 21:11:12 * Khertan_Home is releasing a new version of PyGTKEditor ... and a new soft ... mTasks Feb 08 21:11:22 .... Feb 08 21:11:26 on your site? Feb 08 21:11:28 interesting Feb 08 21:11:30 or in extras? Feb 08 21:11:36 I generally find March doesn't actually exist Feb 08 21:11:37 lcuk_2: lol i ll work this weekend ... :( Feb 08 21:11:42 Khertan_Home: will there be auto tabulation for python code ? Feb 08 21:11:45 lcuk_2: on my site ... Feb 08 21:11:51 on way Feb 08 21:11:54 or is it called, auto indentation ? well, you got the idea. Feb 08 21:11:55 it's on the calendar, but mysteriously nothing gets done Feb 08 21:11:57 melmoth: yes ... auto tab :) Feb 08 21:12:02 * lcuk_2 will unwrap this software gently Feb 08 21:12:03 auto indent Feb 08 21:12:03 \o/ hurray Feb 08 21:12:06 it's magical somehow. Feb 08 21:12:35 i can't upload to repository extra ... as i can't use dput Feb 08 21:12:40 ;( "Error 403 - Forbidden Feb 08 21:12:40 L'accès au fichier requiert une autorisation." Feb 08 21:12:45 ? Feb 08 21:12:50 its ok its an old link Feb 08 21:12:50 lcuk_2: on what file ? Feb 08 21:12:55 lol Feb 08 21:13:16 you gave me a link to grab an early beta to pygtk and this was the folder Feb 08 21:13:16 and i'm trying to update maemo.org ... but it s really a too slow server ! Feb 08 21:13:22 :) Feb 08 21:13:39 i think maemo.org is about 800 servers worldwide isnt it Feb 08 21:13:55 akamai cache Feb 08 21:13:59 or is that just the repo Feb 08 21:14:04 lcuk_2: it s not possible that this host by akamai ! Feb 08 21:14:28 akamai server work very well ... look at the apple one ... they use akamai server Feb 08 21:15:39 i think the config of the servers for maemo repos keeps screwing up because people keep getting certificate errors on specific caches when other people are fine Feb 08 21:15:56 lcuk_2: right Feb 08 21:16:04 Changes in latest version The value of this field may not be longer then 400 characters. Feb 08 21:16:05 lol Feb 08 21:16:10 i ve made too many change Feb 08 21:16:50 you must compress your changes. in future, we will know that "+" means "added tonnes more stuff whilst idly sitting around for hours of every day whilst normal people are working" ;) Feb 08 21:18:23 which bluetooth keyboard do people use and recommend - its for 810 and doesnt need to fold up because it will stay at home. Feb 08 21:19:04 Apple, then. Feb 08 21:19:27 how long do the batteries last - and i prefer the look of the older model apple one but they dont sell it at apple Feb 08 21:19:44 Plenty of time. Feb 08 21:19:55 I know a fair number of people with both the old and the new models Feb 08 21:20:02 none of them have ever complained about battery life. Feb 08 21:20:19 khertan, serious question - you have linked c/c++ modules with python to create a new widget. could you point me towards an example of such please? Feb 08 21:20:42 or is pygtk using such a system Feb 08 21:20:50 GeneralAntilles, cool, i'll get one then Feb 08 21:20:58 lcuk_2: swig can let you wrap c++ code in python Feb 08 21:21:04 Personally, I'd highly recommend the newer one. Feb 08 21:21:19 looks awful - i dont want a laptop board Feb 08 21:21:24 but it s a bit of a work. (i m using swig bindings , but i havent wrote the swig wrapping myself) Feb 08 21:21:31 lcuk_2: hum .... i ve only compiled an existing binding for python ... gtksourceview binding already exist Feb 08 21:21:31 The laptop switches in that tend to wear out a little more gracefully than the full-size silicone domes in the old one. Feb 08 21:22:03 melmoth, Khertan thanks i will look at both, i like python but know some things need speed of c Feb 08 21:22:28 i dont type that much GeneralAntilles. Feb 08 21:22:36 * lcuk_2 scrolls back and reconsiders that answer Feb 08 21:22:43 Meh, I'm just sayin'. :P Feb 08 21:23:00 i suppose ill be best wandering into apple shop and doing a touch test Feb 08 21:23:05 * GeneralAntilles wishes somebody would put a bluetooth module into a Model M. Feb 08 21:23:16 Or better yet, make a usb-to-bluetooth transceiver. Feb 08 21:23:18 100% agree gen Feb 08 21:23:28 810 could do that... Feb 08 21:23:37 Haha Feb 08 21:23:39 be a bit expensive tho Feb 08 21:24:38 "updating pygtkeditor" Feb 08 21:24:45 ? Feb 08 21:24:50 im installing Feb 08 21:24:54 ah ok :) Feb 08 21:25:09 pygtked successfully installed :D Feb 08 21:25:20 stupid maemo download section ! Feb 08 21:25:45 15min to update PyGtkEditor for OS2007 .... Feb 08 21:25:57 now need more 5 min to load OS2008 page Feb 08 21:26:26 did ARM release a specific date with their announcement of a new CPU to rival Silverthorne and promise of 'internet in your pocket'? Feb 08 21:26:34 something about being very media-friendly Feb 08 21:26:35 w0000t thankyou khertan :) you added the elusive tab Feb 08 21:26:44 ds3: fyi, you have to hack the sisusb kconfig stuff since it's locked to ehci usb2 Feb 08 21:27:44 GeneralAntilles, I see that adv-backlight has hardcoded paths to the hicolor icons instead of fetching them from the current icon theme Feb 08 21:28:11 lcuk_2: :) Feb 08 21:28:22 If only Nokia would provide the sources to their lame status bar applets. Feb 08 21:28:28 Thanks, though, leif__. Feb 08 21:28:41 Huhu pygtkeditor is in the star download section :) Feb 08 21:29:05 GeneralAntilles: yep ! Feb 08 21:29:19 GeneralAntilles: i ve still not found how to make transparency .... :( Feb 08 21:29:34 it is really irritating how many of the hildon-desktop plugins are closed source Feb 08 21:29:58 afaict the whole left hand panel (task nav) is all closed plugins, except for the main apps menu Feb 08 21:30:00 leif__: all nokia one are Feb 08 21:30:50 actually i just realized yesterday that the rss reader applet is open... but that is probably only because the rss reader itself is based on Liferea Feb 08 21:31:31 leif__: really ? Feb 08 21:31:42 yep Feb 08 21:31:51 leif__: so maybe i ll can see how they make transparent home applet Feb 08 21:32:22 what? Feb 08 21:32:35 where did you see that the built-in RSS is base off Liferea? Feb 08 21:33:36 http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.0/free/source/o/osso-rss-feed-reader Feb 08 21:33:37 http://code.google.com/p/frothing/ Feb 08 21:33:55 it says in the copyright file that it is Feb 08 21:34:09 hahahah Feb 08 21:34:12 vga out on the n810 Feb 08 21:34:17 awesome Feb 08 21:34:30 dragorn: ?? how ?? Feb 08 21:34:37 Khertan: USB2 SISUSB vga adapter Feb 08 21:34:45 and an external power source Feb 08 21:34:46 interesting that the version there is source for is 1.4.42-1 while the version in OS2008 is 1.4.43-0 Feb 08 21:34:58 and a little hacking to the kconfigs to unlink sisusb from EHCI Feb 08 21:35:07 and by interesting i mean lame Feb 08 21:35:12 heh Feb 08 21:35:20 new Liferea supports WebKit.. Feb 08 21:35:38 I want to smash the built-in RSS reader though. Feb 08 21:35:44 I can't stand that it's not properly threaded. Feb 08 21:35:52 or properly themed Feb 08 21:36:17 I shouldn't have to wait for 400 things to update before a screen refresh lets me read one fucking paragraph that's already on the screen. Feb 08 21:36:54 Khertan_Home, can i ask why have you got a screenshot of Glade GUI editor running on maemo? ;) i am interested in following your logic (and maybe playing with glade myself in such an environment) Feb 08 21:37:41 ^ screenshot is actually the screenshot for mTasks program on your site Feb 08 21:40:09 does anyone have a trivial way of comparing the ITOS's /var/lib/dpkg/status file with http://repository.maemo.org/dists/maemo4.0/free/source/Sources ? I'd like to make three lists: Closed packages, open packages with up-to-date-source, and free/open packages with newer versions on the device than there is source for Feb 08 21:40:47 i think the 3rd category is large Feb 08 21:41:19 lcuk_2: oups i ve uploaded the wrong screenshot :) thx Feb 08 21:41:43 Khertan_Home, dont go all shy now, tell us. how well does it work, is it usable Feb 08 21:41:58 lcuk_2: i ve glade3 running on my n810, all work, but as glade3 is a single windows, it s unusable ... Feb 08 21:42:16 you can set properties of a widget as the box is too small Feb 08 21:42:43 but i'm working on a multiple windows implementation of glade3 to be able to use it on the n8x0 Feb 08 21:42:46 :) Feb 08 21:43:03 i wonder how you would get past that problem - working on an app which requires more screen estate than avail Feb 08 21:43:08 without making it like vi ;) Feb 08 21:43:15 lcuk_2: i'm talking about this in blog.khertan.net (it s a french blog) Feb 08 21:43:28 i see you did get an 810 tho, how are you liking it Feb 08 21:43:41 is your blog in english language or native tongue? Feb 08 21:43:54 my blog is in french Feb 08 21:44:22 lcuk_2: i like my new n810 ! Keyboard is really usefull to dev in the train ... Feb 08 21:44:23 :) Feb 08 21:44:25 anyone make an RSS filter site that replaces links with Google Translated versions? ;) Feb 08 21:44:54 keyboard is nice, but as you might have seen, im gonna replace the thumbboard with a proper one for home use. when im out of house its gr8 Feb 08 21:45:02 dragorn: The VGA USB adapter's working? Photo? Details? :-) Feb 08 21:45:43 pics or it didn't happen Feb 08 21:45:50 http://www.webware.com/8301-1_109-9731147-2.html Feb 08 21:46:00 lcuk_2: but as i use mainly my n8x0 out of house ... :) Feb 08 21:46:05 Jaffa: It's working. Nothing too special. Feb 08 21:46:13 Jaffa: Just got sisbit displaying PPMs on the monitor Feb 08 21:46:33 Jaffa: Not sure I have anywhere to go with it beyond this tho, I can put the kmod up if someone really wants it but it was a 1-line change to the kernel kconfig Feb 08 21:46:35 Khertan_Home, i know. so have you got more productive with 810 or are you still itching to touch the screen Feb 08 21:46:52 and one other thing - now you have 810, can you see why we wanted the tab key ;) Feb 08 21:46:53 Jaffa: I'm not trying to run X on the external monitor (w/out the xserver drivers it wouldn't do much) Feb 08 21:46:59 hi konttori Feb 08 21:47:27 it's just a tritton usb2vga adapter plugged into a hub plugged into the 810, and a power tap to my laptop to give the hub juice Feb 08 21:47:27 lcuk_2: i ve understand why a tab key only few minutes after use it :) Feb 08 21:47:48 Seems pretty quick, throws up a 1024x768 3 meg PPM in a little under a second Feb 08 21:47:53 lcuk_2: yes i can say i m more productive Feb 08 21:48:27 my tab key is FN+Space Feb 08 21:48:30 excellent, thats good news for everyone Feb 08 21:48:39 dragorn: cool. A set of PPMs would be adequate for presentations etc. (assuming you never needed to modify them on the device ;-)) Feb 08 21:48:45 Jaffa: yeah Feb 08 21:48:53 Jaffa: or imagemagick and low-res would be plausible Feb 08 21:48:56 i hate the double push of keys - its like numbers, i am getting used to them but they bug me each time Feb 08 21:49:12 Jaffa: or write something else that can talk to the sisusb node and write something more sane Feb 08 21:49:21 Jaffa: in theory it can be made to work like a fb console Feb 08 21:49:53 lcuk_2: i found it s a great keyboard ... except in a point of view of dev ... no tab, no [] Feb 08 21:50:11 dragorn: Have people with Linux boxes got X running on the SIS chipset? (is it basically the same as their onboard gfx chips?) Feb 08 21:50:23 but i ll try to remap chr+space to tab ... Feb 08 21:50:28 Khertan_Home, the mTasks thing (which i notice you have updated pic on), when i set a task to low priority i can barely see it. i have my display on lowest but its not much better when i set it to brightest Feb 08 21:50:40 jackster: stuff I see says straight up Xfree will run on it Feb 08 21:50:41 err Feb 08 21:50:44 Jaffa: see above Feb 08 21:50:47 :) Feb 08 21:50:51 Very cool. Feb 08 21:50:54 Jaffa: but I haven't tried Feb 08 21:51:09 lcuk_2: it s tasks that are done ... :) Feb 08 21:51:14 Jaffa: and honestly, don't count on me to try it for the 810 any time soon, unless I'm feeling awfully curious some day and feel like spending a lot of time building a chroot Feb 08 21:51:22 * Jaffa 's only connected one thing to his N810 via USB so far (a memory stick lying around), but that was very cool. Planning on buying a Linksys USB100M at some point. Feb 08 21:51:24 so ... but maybe i should try other colors ... Feb 08 21:52:09 ahhhhh, i misrepresented (because i couldnt see properly) "done,low,standard,high" Feb 08 21:52:39 i thought (based on the ones i could see) that it was priority Feb 08 21:52:47 thats what the + - indicates Feb 08 21:53:39 i would feel better having a completed checkbox. that way i still know if i have finished many important tasks Feb 08 21:53:49 yes it s bit like priority ... Feb 08 21:53:59 Jaffa: http://kismetwireless.net/screenshot/wispy810.jpg Feb 08 21:54:06 Jaffa: but then the os2008 release broke iread on usb Feb 08 21:54:12 lcuk_2: i ve made it like that as i don't like to have checkbox :) Feb 08 21:54:31 dragorn: where it worked on the beta? That's one cool photo Feb 08 21:54:48 yes i know i ve a different use of tasks as other people hae Feb 08 21:54:50 Jaffa: yeah worked fine on the beta, I even redid the app to be hildonized Feb 08 21:54:51 :) fair enough, you are the primary user anyway Feb 08 21:54:55 s/hae/have Feb 08 21:55:02 dragorn: bug in bugzilla? Feb 08 21:55:24 lcuk_2: and gpe do standart tasks managment very well Feb 08 21:55:26 Jaffa: haven't yet, no. Feb 08 21:55:54 Jaffa: it's a kernel bug, my experience in trying to get those fixed is "no" Feb 08 21:56:06 :O im shocked, you have competition - ive never seen a tasks program before ;) Feb 08 21:56:11 lcuk_2: i ll try to make an home applet too and an web site to sync with Feb 08 21:56:15 dragorn: even for regressions? Feb 08 21:56:58 im thinking along the same lines, i just want it triggering when it detects home network in the evening Feb 08 21:58:33 Khertan, heres a page where you can get tab key Feb 08 21:58:33 http://www.thisismobility.com/blog/2007/12/31/adding-pipe-and-tab-to-the-n810-keyboard/ Feb 08 21:59:00 im gonna vanish for a while, ive got choc and beer waiting Feb 08 22:00:01 I've never tried restoring a backup after an update before. Settings, Bookmarks and Application list -- will this break anything going from OS2008 beta to OS2008 final? Feb 08 22:00:24 fysa, that rings a bell Feb 08 22:00:31 xmodmap is an ugly hack, Feb 08 22:00:32 fysa, don't think so. Feb 08 22:00:41 Applicatiln list = apt sources and list of installed packages only, right? Feb 08 22:00:46 My last backup dated to the original OS2007 release Feb 08 22:01:00 and I didn't have any trouble with it in the leaked OS2008, the beta, or the final. Feb 08 22:01:11 cool. Feb 08 22:02:12 khertan, he posted a follow up just after i think Feb 08 22:03:15 http://www.thisismobility.com/blog/2008/01/23/swapped-keyboard-mapping-techniques-on-the-n810/ Feb 08 22:06:06 : Feb 08 22:06:17 lcuk_2: thx for the link. Feb 08 22:10:03 all garage account can upload to extra repository ? Feb 08 22:12:53 Khertan_Home, no Feb 08 22:14:00 Khertan_Home, http://maemo.org/community/application-catalog/extras_repository.html Feb 08 22:20:07 jku: thanks Feb 08 22:22:33 anyone know anyone know some good finance tracking software for the 810? i thought gnucash was available but can't find it Feb 08 22:23:41 bstock, they probably have that at the socgen :-) Feb 08 22:25:05 hmm Feb 08 22:26:02 sxpert: lol Feb 08 22:26:27 sxpert: are u french or everyone in the world know this story ? :) Feb 08 22:26:51 I am french Feb 08 22:26:51 bstock: gnucash need to be repackaged Feb 08 22:27:13 Khertan_Home, and the whole world knows about it Feb 08 22:27:26 is that the company where the 1 guy stole like 7 billion in stocks or somethin like that Feb 08 22:28:08 bstock, that's the bank that foolishly sold the lines in one go instead of trickling them out, loosing much more than they could have Feb 08 22:28:15 read "idiots" Feb 08 22:28:18 in fact 1 guy play with 50 billion, but the company decide to sell all warrants and make 5 billions of perts :) Feb 08 22:28:23 pop quiz: how do you pronounce "maemo"? Feb 08 22:28:25 and "I'll never get an account there" Feb 08 22:28:52 Khertan_Home, s/perts/losses/ Feb 08 22:28:52 sxpert: more well explain than me :) Feb 08 22:29:04 lol thanks : Feb 08 22:29:22 it s a bit too late for me ... and i mix french/english Feb 08 22:29:35 Khertan_Home, you had too much beer :-) Feb 08 22:29:40 leif__: like it's spelled... "mame oh' Feb 08 22:29:49 yeah thats what i've been saying Feb 08 22:29:58 "may mo" Feb 08 22:30:01 yeah Feb 08 22:30:07 but when i saw ari jaaksi at linuxworld... Feb 08 22:30:15 he said my mo Feb 08 22:30:17 ! Feb 08 22:30:42 probably pronounced it as a finnish word Feb 08 22:30:50 yeah i figured Feb 08 22:30:59 isn't he in charge of nokia or something Feb 08 22:31:26 er, in charge of the n7xx/n8xx stuff Feb 08 22:31:34 yeah. Feb 08 22:31:47 among other things, IIRC Feb 08 22:31:48 may-mo is the correct pronunciation. Feb 08 22:31:58 that's funny Feb 08 22:32:14 may-mo with a french pronunciation or a russian one ? :) Feb 08 22:32:38 heh thats just it :) Feb 08 22:33:06 i don't quite get the IPA pronunciation syntax or whatever it is called Feb 08 22:33:19 in finnish it's "ma" like "madam", "e" like "bed", "mo" like "modify" Feb 08 22:33:21 i guess "may mo" is not unambiguous Feb 08 22:39:54 ouch mplayer isn't easy to build ... Feb 08 22:40:24 lots of deps.. Feb 08 22:40:41 deps isn't the problem Feb 08 22:41:02 /var/tmp/cc9gcgPv.s:682: Error: selected processor does not support `smlatt lr,ip,r4,r5' Feb 08 22:41:13 do you have flags set properly? Feb 08 22:41:25 it s the problem :) Feb 08 22:41:42 flags isn't set properly ... and i searching how to set it ... Feb 08 22:41:52 I think ssvb has handled porting mplayer properly so far.. Feb 08 22:41:59 I don't know how many of his changes are upstream though. Feb 08 22:42:22 are you using his? or the standard? Feb 08 22:42:31 i'm trying to build the svn version of mplayer on garage, because there is a patch for n810 Feb 08 22:43:16 video output is unactivated on n810 as detection fails. Feb 08 22:43:19 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8633 Feb 08 22:43:28 and the patch has been commited on svn Feb 08 22:43:45 svn checkout https://garage.maemo.org/svn/mplayer/trunk mplayer - this one? Feb 08 22:45:00 fysa: this one ... yes Feb 08 22:45:15 btw - is this you? - http://www.khertan.net/ Feb 08 22:45:33 https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=2095&group_id=54&atid=269 Feb 08 22:45:51 fysa: khertan.net ... yes it s me ... why ? Feb 08 22:46:05 subscribing Feb 08 22:46:12 you had a french language blog also? Feb 08 22:46:26 yes ;) on http://blog.khertan.net/ Feb 08 22:46:39 aha Feb 08 22:46:53 thanks :) Feb 08 22:52:47 fysa: i ve found how to build it ... in /trunks/ there is a target in the makefile nammed deb-n800 Feb 08 22:57:38 so Feb 08 22:57:45 i just called nokia.ca about this discount code thing Feb 08 22:57:52 and they said that i'm supposed to contact maemo Feb 08 22:58:01 anyone know what address i'm supposed to use for that sort of thing? Feb 08 23:00:15 héhé ... succesfully build Feb 08 23:00:20 need to test it now Feb 08 23:02:51 ? my n810 freeze Feb 08 23:03:25 grrr ... stupid metalayer-crawler ! Feb 08 23:30:51 aha Feb 08 23:45:21 Linux running on the N95 yet? Feb 08 23:52:16 ugh, if I desubscribe from imap folders in modest, it affects my email accounts on bigger machines Feb 08 23:52:28 is there a way to segregate these subscriptions in IMAP ? Feb 08 23:53:13 The new lcars theme iis out. Much less of a hassle to un/install now. Feb 08 23:53:38 esworp, can i give you a minor bug report Feb 08 23:53:47 Fer sure. Feb 08 23:53:48 it looks great when in the mode Feb 08 23:54:08 * leif__ wakes up Feb 08 23:54:10 but i switched back to default theme and even after rebooting the battery charger still llooked like a cylon Feb 08 23:54:35 it was flashing like KITT on speed rather than the sedate battery Feb 08 23:54:42 Uninstall lcars-extras. Feb 08 23:54:47 You useing version 4 of the theme? Feb 08 23:54:49 lcuk_2, the battery charging animation is diverted by lcars-extras Feb 08 23:54:52 it is not themeable Feb 08 23:54:52 it did restore itself when i uninstalled it as GeneralAntilles suggested Feb 08 23:55:05 The system sounds will stay unless you uninstall them, too. Feb 08 23:55:15 i uninstalled all 3 seperate packages Feb 08 23:55:26 tho i only recall clicking one installer Feb 08 23:55:42 * lcuk_2 thinks that sounds like windows and shrugs Feb 08 23:55:47 if anyone has any suggestions of how we could make the situation with lcars-extras more clear to avoid confusion such as lcuk_2 had, please let me know Feb 08 23:55:56 The one installer does the theme, extras, and sound modules. Feb 08 23:56:00 or just edit the wiki :) Feb 08 23:56:03 Mention it more clearly on the website? Feb 08 23:56:46 i thought i was only installing a theme, it might be better not to group them together unless people want them, make it plain as day that these things are the finishing touches Feb 08 23:57:33 Yeah, that actually wouldn't be a bad idea. Feb 08 23:57:37 unfortunately the extras are really kind of necessary for the theme to be usable, because it also fixes MicroB's form text colors Feb 08 23:57:42 Separate out the system sounds and lcars-extras as "Extras" Feb 08 23:57:44 With out the other bits, the theme woould suck. Mebbe if the author referred to it as a theme kit as opposed to jyst a thheme. Feb 08 23:58:01 without lcars-extras text entry fields have light text on a white background Feb 08 23:58:08 Eh, I see. Feb 08 23:58:26 Well, then, making it more clear what you have to do to remove the extra bits would be good, then. Feb 08 23:58:43 The LCARS experience, includes a theme, additional sound effects and a final fix pack. Feb 08 23:58:52 it does say "This is a set of LCARS PADD-style user interface modifications for Nokia's Internet Tablet OS." Feb 08 23:59:13 Only if there was a klingon localization for hildon, now. Feb 08 23:59:16 but it does say theme above that.. Feb 08 23:59:30 Eh, lcuk_2, I think being clear about the removal is good enough. Feb 08 23:59:37 i know... Feb 09 00:00:11 lcuk_2, did the release notes automatically open when it was done installing? Feb 09 00:00:29 Not that I recall. Feb 09 00:00:40 hmm, they should... Feb 09 00:00:47 even if they did - they get as much attention as a eula... Feb 09 00:00:50 i don't like how n810 seems to be coming apart after a few weeks of light use Feb 09 00:01:08 the back creaks Feb 09 00:01:13 and rattles Feb 09 00:01:25 then i put a big rubber pad over it and its all good again :D Feb 09 00:01:34 and i can grip it properly Feb 09 00:01:52 esworp, could you handle my other bug: i want to go out with my LCARS pad when i go out in my jedi robes, but they clash, how can i rectify this? Feb 09 00:02:36 i don't mind that, but there's a widening gap between keyboard and the other half Feb 09 00:03:01 Hrm. I would addd pointy ear and be a vulcan jedi. With a ysalamir in you backpack. Feb 09 00:03:11 Haha Feb 09 00:03:18 Be a Vulcan Star Wars fan? :P Feb 09 00:03:24 * esworp barfs Feb 09 00:03:33 :D KA-PLACK! Feb 09 00:04:02 i could do the klingon head thing better. it would look good under a hood Feb 09 00:04:47 ok lcuk_2 is this better now? http://synthesize.us/index.php?title=LCARS_PADD&diff=2855&oldid=2853 Feb 09 00:04:55 why do cameras run out of batteries at the wrong time Feb 09 00:04:57 Nah. Too Sidious. He was a douche. Feb 09 00:06:20 * esworp secretly wishes UKTUBE worked with redtube and youporn. :\ Feb 09 00:06:56 excuse me? Feb 09 00:11:12 :) Feb 09 00:14:10 leif__, :) makes it a bit clearer, it was merely an observation - would an alternative way be for everything to be in one package so uninstall goes together and then this issue is removed totally? Feb 09 00:15:16 if every package except lcars-complete were in a different section than user/* then the app manager wouldn't show them, and when lcars-complete is removed everything would be Feb 09 00:15:26 but then you couldn't have the theme without the sounds Feb 09 00:15:31 or without the extras Feb 09 00:16:15 and while the forms in the browser aren't very usable without extras, i figure some people might like to have lcars installed for occasional use so they might want to remove extras but keep the theme... Feb 09 00:17:35 the browser text color issue is maemo bug 1825 btw Feb 09 00:28:12 UH! Feb 09 00:34:58 <|tbb|> anyone familar with vagalume? Feb 09 00:35:18 What sort of familiar? Feb 09 00:35:28 <|tbb|> using it Feb 09 00:36:14 <|tbb|> what do i have to enter under enter radio url lastfm:// Feb 09 00:40:34 omfg Feb 09 00:40:49 i just learnt a new word and im scared Feb 09 00:41:00 "denticles" Feb 09 00:41:16 in context: You can see the denticles from the already struck coin in the indented area. Feb 09 00:41:24 http://www.error-coins.com/worlderrors/worlderrors.html Feb 09 01:23:34 wicked :D my n810 Crate looks really cool and works well. http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/7308/810crateinkx8.jpg Feb 09 01:34:01 :) Feb 09 01:41:40 Crate? Feb 09 01:41:41 What? Feb 09 01:47:53 I suppose is a wooden receptacle for the N810 that provides wrist-rest space Feb 09 01:48:09 would not call it crate either Feb 09 01:48:12 i cant think of a better name, my 810 sits inside and it reminded me of a crate Feb 09 01:48:33 What's it for? Feb 09 01:48:37 but have I guessed its purpose correctly? Feb 09 01:48:47 its lovely when sat in bed Feb 09 01:48:52 yer Feb 09 01:49:10 Haha Feb 09 01:49:31 you hold it as easy as a book and arm rests nicely on side playin games Feb 09 01:49:57 Cradle Feb 09 01:50:00 only thing missing at the mo is a groove for psu Feb 09 01:50:09 thats the one lol Feb 09 01:51:25 im gonna cover it with some fabric eventually Feb 09 01:52:16 http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/8233/810crateanglexe7.jpg Feb 09 01:53:57 might be more readable now **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Feb 09 02:59:57 2008