**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Feb 13 02:59:57 2008 Feb 13 03:00:14 Hi is anyone here? Feb 13 03:00:41 yup Feb 13 03:00:45 No. Feb 13 03:00:58 Okay this is a weird question but hopefully someone can help me Feb 13 03:01:09 the answer is yes Feb 13 03:01:28 I just bought a used N770 tablet, I went to download OS2006 to reflash, and when I put in my WLAN ID it refused it Feb 13 03:01:40 that's interesting Feb 13 03:02:01 I turn the tablet over and take out the battery, and no product tag... Feb 13 03:02:11 nice... Feb 13 03:02:34 you remembered to take the :'s out of the MAC address right? Feb 13 03:02:44 yeah Feb 13 03:02:55 so it was like 112233445566 Feb 13 03:03:02 yeah, that's right Feb 13 03:03:20 it's pretty weird that the product label isn't there Feb 13 03:03:28 does it look like it's been removed? Feb 13 03:03:38 Except of course it was something like 00020E...... Feb 13 03:03:48 no there's no residue.. that's the odd part Feb 13 03:04:02 anyways, at worst, you can find a disassembly pic on google and "borrow" a MAC address Feb 13 03:04:27 I don't know how they'd change the MAC address in hardware though Feb 13 03:04:46 I hate to ask like this, because I have looked on google images and such, but does someone have an ID I can borrow on hand? Feb 13 03:04:58 * johnx has an n800 Feb 13 03:05:19 it's having weird issues, like in the app manager, it won't download repositories to see for app installs/updates, it says failed when I first even open teh app manager Feb 13 03:05:45 you might be bitten by the WLAN memory corruption bug Feb 13 03:06:31 Yeah it says operation failed. Feb 13 03:06:40 How would one go about fixing that issue? Feb 13 03:06:49 well, first you need to reflash... Feb 13 03:06:53 then you need to download the fix Feb 13 03:06:54 lol Feb 13 03:06:54 if you see nothing in the log you can restore your package index from the automatically created backup file Feb 13 03:08:01 log shows section with no Package:header Feb 13 03:08:08 mergelist problem Feb 13 03:08:19 duplicate sources list Feb 13 03:08:51 if you have duplicate sources, remove them by editing /etc/apt/sources.list Feb 13 03:09:48 Got it Feb 13 03:09:50 That worked Feb 13 03:10:18 And in your honest opinion... upgrading to 2007HE? Feb 13 03:10:49 my favorite part about 2007HE was the screen-tap sound and the theme Feb 13 03:10:51 back Feb 13 03:10:51 hrm Feb 13 03:11:17 The horrifying neon and black mess, pupnik? <_< Feb 13 03:11:27 lol Feb 13 03:11:30 i liked plankton Feb 13 03:11:38 Oh, well, that. :D Feb 13 03:11:58 So you were being sincere? Feb 13 03:12:01 Nokia's color choice has always been a little over-the-top. Feb 13 03:12:20 The OS2006 beta was particularly gross. Feb 13 03:12:45 johnx, GeneralAntilles: http://cs.trinity.edu/~aharwell/100_1561.JPG http://cs.trinity.edu/~aharwell/100_1562.JPG Feb 13 03:13:12 Ha Feb 13 03:13:14 Sweet. Feb 13 03:13:22 :P Feb 13 03:13:26 haha...that's pretty cool Feb 13 03:13:33 I'm too anal to have a dual monitor setup like that Feb 13 03:13:34 * GeneralAntilles was gonna watch that, but it turned out to be American Idol. <_< Feb 13 03:13:40 lol Feb 13 03:13:55 need to get those panels out of their bevels and mount them closer together :D Feb 13 03:14:01 do it, you know you want to :P Feb 13 03:14:15 Still, I win: http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/mydesktopleopard.jpg :P Feb 13 03:14:30 Yay, now I get to see GA's five monitor setup Feb 13 03:14:51 aw, just individual screens Feb 13 03:14:55 You're totally lame Feb 13 03:15:07 I've got a cellphone shot which is incredibly horrifying. Feb 13 03:15:08 lol Feb 13 03:15:16 I need to find a new smartmedia card for my old digital camera Feb 13 03:15:16 jeez...that would make me go ADD-insane I think Feb 13 03:15:17 nice Feb 13 03:15:19 really nice Feb 13 03:15:25 take a picture with your n800. You know you want to. Feb 13 03:15:30 Be cheaper just to get a new Canon A-series. Feb 13 03:16:03 hay look, that's a recent screen Feb 13 03:16:44 GeneralAntilles: wait... what's going on there? Feb 13 03:16:58 SkyNet. Feb 13 03:17:13 A screenshot of each of his monitors at once Feb 13 03:17:14 is that five monitors? >_> Feb 13 03:17:19 Yeah Feb 13 03:17:23 or is that different desktops Feb 13 03:17:23 :P Feb 13 03:17:33 lol... how do you plug in 5 monitors at once? >_> Feb 13 03:17:34 5-monitors. :D Feb 13 03:17:44 The wonders of having a real computer. Feb 13 03:17:48 ... Feb 13 03:17:51 it's a MAC Feb 13 03:17:55 how the hell :P Feb 13 03:17:57 haha Feb 13 03:18:07 Well, actually, one of those monitors is a Mac mini hooked up via Synergy (well, teleport, but yeah). Feb 13 03:18:10 obviously, you can use the same VGA/DVI port for all five monitors Feb 13 03:18:17 Haha Feb 13 03:18:20 2 video cards Feb 13 03:18:26 damnit. sec :P gotta take the video card out of my server really quick and shove it in my desktop and plug in my other two monitors Feb 13 03:18:33 lol Feb 13 03:18:35 ha Feb 13 03:18:42 i've got 4 displays right now Feb 13 03:18:45 gonna have to reboot :P Feb 13 03:19:03 if got the inverters for the laptop panels i have i'd have about 9 =x Feb 13 03:19:11 * Navi takes six screenshots and pretends that they're six different monitors Feb 13 03:19:16 lol Feb 13 03:19:23 hrm... i wonder if i can set up House to play on all four monitors... stack them normal rotation but two on top of the other two Feb 13 03:19:23 Haha Feb 13 03:19:34 lol, house Feb 13 03:19:36 Video playback with divider bezels is fail. Feb 13 03:19:40 lol Feb 13 03:19:41 yeah Feb 13 03:19:41 i do it :P Feb 13 03:19:45 it doesnt bother me Feb 13 03:19:48 It's annoying to me Feb 13 03:19:51 you could watch 4 episodes of house to see if he almost kills te patient at the same time every episode Feb 13 03:19:52 the important part which most people don't get Feb 13 03:19:59 I won't ever be able to do it Feb 13 03:20:07 It pisses me off Feb 13 03:20:11 is that you need to overlap not just one bezel, but two bezels of width Feb 13 03:20:23 so you are technically losing some of the picture Feb 13 03:20:39 but it makes it look SO much better... because otherwise it looks like theres a space Feb 13 03:20:42 It's better to have House playing on one screen and be doing 3 other things at the same time. :P Feb 13 03:20:43 thats why one must mod the cases off the displays Feb 13 03:20:54 yeah i may do that eventualluy Feb 13 03:20:56 *eventually Feb 13 03:21:01 or maybe that's why i have a HD projector Feb 13 03:21:06 :P Feb 13 03:21:15 it's just... not *quite* done yet <_< Feb 13 03:21:18 I don't have room for two monitors, much less five Feb 13 03:21:32 i acidentially cut one of the reflective panels modding the cases for a friend's 3 headed display lol Feb 13 03:21:42 so now it's got a dim strip Feb 13 03:21:49 lol Feb 13 03:21:53 heh...it's a miracle I even found room for one monitor Feb 13 03:22:00 the sucky part is that my server only boots 1/4th of the time Feb 13 03:22:08 and without a vid card in it, i won't be able to tell when that is Feb 13 03:22:14 i have 3 computers and a crt on top of my dresser Feb 13 03:22:17 it looks like jenga Feb 13 03:23:00 Where does Camera save its images. . . . Feb 13 03:23:01 rm_you, that's why you need a crappy old-school PCI video card Feb 13 03:24:14 GeneralAntilles, i think mmc1 Feb 13 03:24:54 /home/user/MyDocs/.images/camera Feb 13 03:25:41 :| Feb 13 03:26:39 http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/whatwasnokiathinking.jpg Feb 13 03:27:08 that would hurt my neck Feb 13 03:27:09 gah! more like what was GeneralAntilles thinking! Feb 13 03:27:18 a world of ow Feb 13 03:27:23 :P Feb 13 03:27:43 I need better cable management. Feb 13 03:27:53 is that a CRT right next to a giant speaker? Feb 13 03:28:09 also, steve jobs would krie Feb 13 03:28:10 Yeah Feb 13 03:28:16 Old trinitron I got for free. Feb 13 03:28:29 It's actually my Xbox display most of the time. Feb 13 03:28:37 and it doesn't distory massively? that can't be a shielded speaker... Feb 13 03:28:41 Until my Xbox ended up at Microsoft. Feb 13 03:28:50 s/distory/distort/g Feb 13 03:28:51 johnx meant: and it doesn't distort massively? that can't be a shielded speaker... Feb 13 03:29:24 http://www.axiomaudio.com/m22ti_mainb.html Feb 13 03:29:27 Yes, it's shielded. Feb 13 03:29:38 Whoa, a sweet sed bot Feb 13 03:30:05 that layout would still make me crazy... Feb 13 03:30:07 A B A S P Feb 13 03:30:17 s/A/You/g Feb 13 03:30:17 Navi meant: You B You S P Feb 13 03:30:28 am not! Feb 13 03:30:52 A A B B Feb 13 03:30:58 s/B/LOL/ Feb 13 03:31:00 Navi meant: A A LOL B Feb 13 03:31:04 Awesome! Feb 13 03:31:29 A Feb 13 03:31:31 Navi knows how to use sed! :] Feb 13 03:31:35 s/A/groan Feb 13 03:31:41 Fail. Feb 13 03:31:43 er Feb 13 03:31:48 Proteous, you suck Feb 13 03:31:52 s/er/groan/ Feb 13 03:31:52 Proteous meant: groan Feb 13 03:31:54 johnx, why crazy? Feb 13 03:32:03 It's the best for working on stuff Feb 13 03:32:18 stick the reference pages/palettes/whatever on the other screens. Feb 13 03:32:18 too much separation for one thing Feb 13 03:32:22 especially with four irc channels Feb 13 03:32:30 and too much distraction Feb 13 03:32:32 :D Feb 13 03:32:33 Meh, treat them like virtual desktops. Feb 13 03:32:41 You don't span stuff over them. Feb 13 03:32:45 I only use two Feb 13 03:32:46 Each screen has a task. Feb 13 03:32:49 i usually watch house and scrubs on my left display Feb 13 03:32:52 and I span over them Feb 13 03:33:00 I couldn't span. Feb 13 03:33:06 Not even if they were closer together. Feb 13 03:33:12 and then i'll have docs or templates on the 12" screen that is below my main display Feb 13 03:33:14 I had 2+1 for a while but I have a little less space now Feb 13 03:33:17 example: 3D crap Feb 13 03:33:29 GIMP one one side, Blender on the other Feb 13 03:33:33 johnx, everybody complains about distances when they look at it. Feb 13 03:33:37 spanning is distracting Feb 13 03:33:39 go back and forth Feb 13 03:33:42 But it works really well for me. Feb 13 03:33:55 I need a full screen for Blender and detailing textures Feb 13 03:34:04 switching windows is worse than spanning Feb 13 03:34:05 I've never thought about multiple heads as anything other than independent. Feb 13 03:34:38 spanning is fine with modded displays or borderless displays Feb 13 03:34:45 House junkies Feb 13 03:35:39 btw for the house junkies, if you haven't read hugh lauries books you need to Feb 13 03:35:58 johnx: btw i have a greenphone ;) Feb 13 03:35:59 Kumar in House just cracks me up. Feb 13 03:36:20 jott, cool. Are they still going anywhere with that? Feb 13 03:36:44 they should do a greenphone olpc bundle Feb 13 03:36:56 well, qtopia (phone edition) is under development - but the main target is the fic/openmoko phone Feb 13 03:37:20 i wish they'd open up the olpc to the public again, i had money the week after the closed it Feb 13 03:38:03 heh Feb 13 03:38:06 but it's actually quite usable as a phone.. Feb 13 03:39:16 I assumed the green phone would actually reach that state. Trolltech knows what they're doing Feb 13 03:39:25 I just wonder about openmoko a little bit... Feb 13 03:40:10 openmoko is expensively expensive... and ugly Feb 13 03:40:18 well the greenphone was actually never thought as a end-user phone, more as a qtopia development platform Feb 13 03:40:21 they were looking for fall of 08 for an officially usable phone Feb 13 03:40:37 but where the openmoko project stands i dont think so Feb 13 03:40:59 Navi, can you name another unlocked, no-contract phone with those features for less? *honestly curious* Feb 13 03:41:23 so, the qtopia (phone edition) development still goes on and there are some more targets that are nearly usable (some hacked htc phones) Feb 13 03:41:28 openmoko is what, $250 for the "end user" edition? Feb 13 03:41:44 acydlord, you missed it by over 100% Feb 13 03:42:02 last i checked the hardware developer bundle was $500 Feb 13 03:42:34 jott, and I got my e70, unlocked, for 20 Feb 13 03:42:38 i would also go for the gta02 .. though it's formfactor is really ...erm.. unpleasant ;) Feb 13 03:42:59 My office this afternoon: http://alterego.freeshell.org/images/11022008026.jpg Feb 13 03:43:41 nice Feb 13 03:43:53 heh Feb 13 03:44:03 i got one of those nice "unbreakable" large pint glasses Feb 13 03:44:52 acydlord, oh, and it's expected 450 for basic, 600 for advanced Feb 13 03:45:03 last I checked Feb 13 03:45:29 ahh yeah, the previous was 450 and 550 i think Feb 13 03:45:53 not a bad price if all of the features would be supported on gsm networks Feb 13 03:45:53 Just a reminder: http://ustream.tv/channel/thoughtfixs-live-show Feb 13 03:46:17 johnx, if only the word unpleasant could cover up ugly Feb 13 03:46:22 ustream has blown up big lately Feb 13 03:46:52 Love the waring label, alterego. Feb 13 03:47:29 acydlord, "unbreakable"? It's glass :P Feb 13 03:47:46 mine isnt glass, it's one of those weird polymers Feb 13 03:47:48 ahh, British cigarette labels Feb 13 03:47:49 I love them Feb 13 03:47:53 like the nalgene bottles are made of Feb 13 03:48:13 much better than our stupid "Surgeon General's Warning: It's possible that someplace, somewhere, some smoker got sick. Maybe. But we're not really SURE about that." Feb 13 03:48:33 Anybody getting sound on the ustream stream? Feb 13 03:48:49 silence here Feb 13 03:48:51 I'm not Feb 13 03:48:58 Good Feb 13 03:48:59 Not just me. Feb 13 03:49:01 i love the surgeon generals warning on beer Feb 13 03:49:05 Doesn't start for 10 minutes. Feb 13 03:49:11 I didn't know there was one Feb 13 03:49:19 johnx, GeneralAntilles: http://cs.trinity.edu/~aharwell/100_1566.jpg Feb 13 03:49:33 :P Feb 13 03:49:45 Haha Feb 13 03:49:45 Nice Feb 13 03:49:49 Can I have the chips? Feb 13 03:49:53 only semi-cheating :P Feb 13 03:49:54 lol Feb 13 03:49:55 you can omit the middle line on some of them and it reads "women should not drive a car or operate machinery Feb 13 03:49:58 pffft my chips :P Feb 13 03:50:26 mmm...chips Feb 13 03:50:29 just one? Feb 13 03:52:21 man, nerdcore rap is so awesome Feb 13 03:52:48 hah Feb 13 03:53:04 MC Plus+ is a good friend of mine Feb 13 03:53:22 acydlord, isn't it though? :P Feb 13 03:53:26 watching thoughtfix live stream on a n810 is funny ;) Feb 13 03:53:34 though I must confess I'm not at all a fan of the genre ;-) Feb 13 03:53:39 gives another instance of the "infinity" ;) Feb 13 03:53:52 mc plus+ is from az origionaly isnt he? Feb 13 03:53:52 oh now it's gone :/ Feb 13 03:53:57 he is Feb 13 03:54:31 i used to watch ustream and jtv feeds on my n800 Feb 13 03:54:59 anyone have this problem when trying to build something in scratchbox? Feb 13 03:54:59 sbox-arm-linux-gcc: /scratchbox/compilers/host-gcc/host-gcc.specs: attempt to rename spec 'cpp' to already defined spec 'old_cpp' Feb 13 03:57:07 cant say that i have Feb 13 03:58:16 I haven't. Feb 13 03:58:36 http://ustream.tv/channel/thoughtfixs-live-show show starting Feb 13 04:02:53 my mo! Feb 13 04:03:09 may mo! Feb 13 04:27:22 Navi: Hey! Listen! Feb 13 04:27:46 Navi: Hey! Listen! Feb 13 04:28:08 HEY! LISTEN! Feb 13 04:28:12 ahaha Feb 13 04:28:12 Watch the show rm_you and be quiet. :P Feb 13 04:28:43 :P Feb 13 05:04:24 Too bad we didn't get anything on the PowerVR. :( Feb 13 05:04:50 :( Feb 13 05:05:00 Cat montage Feb 13 05:05:04 no music :| Feb 13 05:05:13 just hum to yourself... Feb 13 05:05:56 talkin bout a montage... MONTAGE Feb 13 05:09:43 Even Rocky had a montage! Feb 13 05:11:28 whee Feb 13 05:14:03 ahhh damn Feb 13 05:14:10 i had no idea what you guys were talking about Feb 13 05:14:12 so i missed it >_> Feb 13 05:14:27 You deef? :P Feb 13 05:14:51 lol Feb 13 05:14:55 i was doing other stuff <_< Feb 13 05:15:09 Just review the video later. :P Feb 13 05:15:14 :P Feb 13 05:15:26 Quim did a bit of rambling Feb 13 05:15:36 It was nice to watch :D Feb 13 05:15:39 heh Feb 13 05:15:46 where can i get the video? :P Feb 13 05:15:52 tabletblog.com Feb 13 05:15:53 later Feb 13 05:15:55 Wait for 'em to edit and post Feb 13 05:16:01 kk Feb 13 05:16:23 Navi, that's what you get when the interview isn't scripted. :P Feb 13 05:16:29 Ha, rather than trying to beat GeneralAntilles to the punch, I'm predicting what he says so I can beat him to the second punch Feb 13 05:16:34 Gotta give it to Quim for taking the time. Feb 13 05:16:50 Haha Feb 13 05:17:04 Of course. It's not every day you see corporates waking up early for an unscripted live interview Feb 13 05:17:43 I couldn't quite understand him for all of that but I did I basically gather that we won't see much more source anytime soon? Feb 13 05:18:01 Yeah, I kinda doubt it. Feb 13 05:18:21 I'm content Feb 13 05:18:27 of course, I don't own a tablet. Feb 13 05:18:31 heh Feb 13 05:18:41 oh well :) Feb 13 05:18:43 I noticed the bug for the gpsd version being behind was addressed. Feb 13 05:18:51 leif__, you gonna file on the rest? :P Feb 13 05:20:13 People who say the maemo guys don't communicate just aren't paying attention. Feb 13 05:20:47 GeneralAntilles, not until I find a way to automatically compare the entire source repo with the /var/lib/dpkg/status file on the device Feb 13 05:20:51 They're retarded. Feb 13 05:20:59 possibly using http://search.cpan.org/~holoway/DPKG-Parse-0.01/lib/DPKG/Parse/Packages.pm Feb 13 05:21:09 er Feb 13 05:21:13 the status module, i mean Feb 13 05:21:19 but DPKG::Parse i guess Feb 13 05:21:39 Might file one specific to osso-feed-reader for now and make mention that it's not the only example? Feb 13 05:21:41 cc quim Feb 13 05:22:21 maybe i will, not tonight though Feb 13 05:24:06 i'm going offline for now. Feb 13 05:28:33 Inconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c: 1192: dl_main: Assertion `(void *) ph->p_vaddr == _rtld_local._dl_sysinfo_dso' failed! Feb 13 05:28:49 I get that when trying to login scratchbox Feb 13 05:28:51 >_> Feb 13 05:29:32 pretty cool Feb 13 05:29:37 oh, shoot Feb 13 05:29:44 I forgot to add it to my .zshrc Feb 13 05:29:45 Nevermind Feb 13 05:29:48 :D Feb 13 05:32:50 Fail. Feb 13 06:13:45 How does OS2008 have the filesystem set up? Feb 13 06:14:04 hmm? Feb 13 06:14:06 More specifically, where are the lib/include directories? Feb 13 06:14:19 /usr/lib and /usr/include Feb 13 06:14:23 I think, at least Feb 13 06:14:42 yes Feb 13 06:14:55 mmk, thanks Feb 13 06:17:52 if i install LCARS, can i easily switch back/forth between it and my other themes? Feb 13 06:17:57 it's just another theme in the list... right? Feb 13 06:17:59 >_> Feb 13 06:20:50 if it works like that, then i can install it for testing Feb 13 06:21:19 yes it's just another theme Feb 13 06:21:23 k Feb 13 06:21:32 just exxxtremely cool and nerdy Feb 13 06:21:34 xD Feb 13 06:21:46 someone on the forums said something about the sounds from LCARS overwriting the default ones... is that still the case? Feb 13 06:22:21 no AFAIK Feb 13 06:23:05 rm_you, just install the main part Feb 13 06:23:12 don't install extras or sounds Feb 13 06:23:24 Then you can cycle easily enough Feb 13 06:23:28 some things wont be 100% Feb 13 06:23:42 k... Feb 13 06:23:47 Or you could also install sounds and extras Feb 13 06:23:53 a remove/reboot will clear them out Feb 13 06:24:30 People on the forums are retarded. Feb 13 06:30:44 lol Feb 13 06:30:52 sleep time <_< bbl Feb 13 06:31:01 I replaced the iconset on my LCARS N800 with the LCARS icons and they work great. Feb 13 06:31:03 'night. Feb 13 06:31:22 lol ok so ... i just have to figure out how to support theming Feb 13 06:31:31 maybe sometime tomorrow Feb 13 06:31:34 though doubtful Feb 13 06:31:37 probably thursday Feb 13 06:31:44 did a nice code cleanup today tho ;) Feb 13 06:31:48 * rm_you sleeps Feb 13 06:32:19 'night rm_you Feb 13 06:33:51 GeneralAntilles, nerd Feb 13 06:34:22 P'haps. Feb 13 07:06:19 anyone who has built boost on scratchbox? Feb 13 07:20:34 Did I miss hte interview? Feb 13 07:21:52 I guess so ^_^ Feb 13 07:22:25 Videos should be going up at some point. Feb 13 07:22:38 Yeah found it Feb 13 07:28:26 DG is very fidgety :D Feb 13 07:29:11 Ha Feb 13 07:29:18 He had a cat trying to kill him for a large portion of the show. Feb 13 07:30:36 interview? Feb 13 07:30:59 <|tbb|> morning al Feb 13 07:31:45 found the link Feb 13 07:32:10 it's only 11:30pm Feb 13 07:33:34 morning Feb 13 07:49:05 lol it's 2:47am here Feb 13 09:00:22 Morning, all Feb 13 09:05:21 good morning Feb 13 09:11:41 <|tbb|> morning Jaffa Feb 13 09:14:49 morning Feb 13 09:30:45 mornin' all Feb 13 09:44:39 someone familiar with maemo input system? Feb 13 10:02:54 what input system? Feb 13 10:03:16 hrw: input method editors:? Feb 13 10:17:59 bon dia / good morning Feb 13 10:21:46 re Feb 13 10:22:01 Mikho: hildoninputmethod subsystem Feb 13 10:23:04 for example I do not know does list of chars available on Chr+o (n810 hw keyboard) can be edited so with Polish keymap I will get ó as first Feb 13 10:23:37 or disable that functionality at all Feb 13 10:26:49 in other way then defining Chr as AltGr instead of Compose Feb 13 10:38:34 good morning Feb 13 10:43:20 'morning florian Feb 13 10:53:10 oooh this is nice http://ropermobile.com/products/switchback/ Feb 13 11:02:59 <|tbb|> michele_: the price isnt nice (what a poem) Feb 13 11:13:50 is it me or is there no wget in chinook ? Feb 13 11:14:37 Looks to be here:http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/w/wget/ , but apt-get nor apt-cache are aware of it . Feb 13 11:14:45 worked for me Feb 13 11:15:01 do you need to enable red-pill first? Feb 13 11:15:29 hmmm, i did not try...I though apt-get did not care about pill mode Feb 13 11:15:40 I think it is only in the SDK repositories Feb 13 11:15:48 melmoth that's the sdk repo Feb 13 11:16:23 hmmm Feb 13 11:16:48 well, will just install it manually then Feb 13 11:17:22 you can enable the repo on the device, but be aware that the apps are not tested to work there Feb 13 11:17:53 stuff like wget will work without breaking anything, no doubt Feb 13 11:19:31 hi all! Feb 13 11:19:36 after some tuning :) Feb 13 11:19:53 could anyone help me with gstreamer-hantro basics? Feb 13 11:20:18 jku and all wget lovers..please vote for https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2935 :) Feb 13 11:21:22 melmoth, no need to just vote. Make sure the package is ready and push it to Extras yourself Feb 13 11:22:05 sure, i could do that. Feb 13 11:23:13 actually, it feels a bit weird..if any people with access to the repo can push anything. problem will comes. Feb 13 11:23:48 i ll test wget and push it if it works ok. Feb 13 11:24:50 melmoth, in case you haven't done that before: http://maemo.org/community/application-catalog/extras_repository.html Feb 13 11:26:01 i pushed some stuff already, but only for the application i had a garage project open (and its dependency) Feb 13 11:26:13 i alwyas feel trying to push somethig else would not be appropriate Feb 13 11:26:46 I know, but I guess creating a new project is pretty cheap Feb 13 11:27:23 i ll see what happen in the bz, if nothing happen for a couple of day, i ll just push it in extar and mention it in the bz. Feb 13 11:27:55 jku: bit of a waste to have a project just to repackage upstream source Feb 13 11:28:14 melmoth: just enable redpill and install it like usual Feb 13 11:28:27 lardman, sure, especially when it's in chiook already Feb 13 11:28:45 lardman, but we can't expect N to package everything Feb 13 11:28:46 melmoth: otherwise use curl (or whatever apt-get uses) Feb 13 11:29:00 jku: that's where OpenEmbedded comes in ;) Feb 13 11:29:15 lardman: i think i ll have no problem installing it, i would just wish it would be there in extra Feb 13 11:29:23 so i wont have to re install it manually after a reflash Feb 13 11:29:24 or mud-builder of course Feb 13 11:29:53 melmoth, exactly. enabling SDK repository shouldn't be a solution Feb 13 11:30:42 mud-builder may be a good idea... Feb 13 11:31:29 jku: there's a problem with deciphering the nvd_data, namely that as we don't know what the internals do, we can't really guess at what structures/data it will save Feb 13 11:32:00 melmoth, you might want to consider mud-builder Feb 13 11:32:09 never heard of it Feb 13 11:32:17 (or OpenEmbedded) Feb 13 11:32:27 http://mud-builder.garage.maemo.org/docs/workflow.html Feb 13 11:32:43 hooo Feb 13 11:32:46 interesting Feb 13 11:34:30 hey, reminds me of gentoo Feb 13 11:34:37 or pkgsrc Feb 13 11:34:40 or ports Feb 13 11:34:42 lardman, agreed about nvd_data, I'm just surprised I couldn't find anything (like timestamp or coordinates) there... Feb 13 11:35:33 lardman is there a path from OE to Extras-repo or something? Feb 13 11:36:45 jku: I've no idea how to add stuff to extras Feb 13 11:37:52 jku: but I've built a variety of packages, I should just create a feed somewhere and people can use them Feb 13 11:38:02 so is there a repository for OE/maemo? Feb 13 11:38:09 no Feb 13 11:38:24 If someone has some space on a server then I'm happy to create one Feb 13 11:39:14 that's the problem -- we need one or a very limited number of basic repos, not just random packages however nice the packaging system Feb 13 11:39:49 well if by random you mean whatevery people want from the OE metadata, then yeah, that could be a problem Feb 13 11:40:17 but realistically a single OE repo will replace many of the small repos people have with their ports Feb 13 11:40:39 as there is not much need for porting then, it's already been done Feb 13 11:40:52 Hi all, we are going to do some updates to the maemo.org server, so there will be some outage.. Feb 13 11:41:05 some ;) Feb 13 11:41:20 X-Fade: any idea how much? Feb 13 11:41:23 X-Fade, you've been doing that already, judging from the state of the wiki Feb 13 11:41:29 Depends on speed of database and speed of typing ;) Feb 13 11:41:35 ok :) Feb 13 11:42:22 lardman, OE system is fine by me, I just want the repo to be there before I start encouraging people to do anything else than Extras... Feb 13 11:42:34 i know Feb 13 11:42:34 jku: Yeah, we started 10 minutes ago. But I thought it would be nice to tell people about that ;) Feb 13 11:43:19 X-Fade, yes, thanks Feb 13 11:45:54 was there anything interesting in ThoughtFix's chat to Quim? Feb 13 11:46:33 I just started listening to the recording, but its hard reading about finite difference methods and concentrating on the conversation too Feb 13 11:50:52 lardman: What do you mean with "some space on a server"? What would you need? Feb 13 11:51:06 Blafasel: somewhere to host .debs Feb 13 11:51:22 Blafasel: it really depends on how much stuff people want built Feb 13 11:52:27 So you're talking about what? Web space? A shell? Feb 13 11:53:21 Blafasel: webspace is enough, a shell and build machine would reduce the time taken to upload data, but as the maemo version doesn't change too often that may not be a big issue Feb 13 11:53:38 so sftp/ftp access Feb 13 11:54:53 lardman, how much space would you need? Feb 13 11:54:59 tis a good question Feb 13 11:55:00 k.. I can offer webspace/ftp and unlimited (well.. You know the disclaimers for that one) traffic for anything that benefits maemo stuff ;) Feb 13 11:55:13 hrw: do you know how large an average OE distro build is? Feb 13 11:55:17 Ah, right. inz was quite fast with the youtube stuff as well. Feb 13 11:55:33 Blafa, I don't have unlimited space though Feb 13 11:56:14 Blafasel: that would be good; I can't do anything for a month or so though as I'm away on holiday Feb 13 11:56:24 i.e. away from the interweb Feb 13 12:00:00 Holiday? A month? Dear god, let's trade jobs ;) Feb 13 12:00:28 inz: Same here, space is worse than traffic. But nevertheless it should be possible to offer something Feb 13 12:01:56 lardman: with rm_work it can take <1GB after build Feb 13 12:02:10 lardman: during build it depends Feb 13 12:02:17 lardman: I had 16GB builds even Feb 13 12:03:05 hi there! Feb 13 12:03:25 for the ones who need to edit mp3/ogg tags on they OS2008-equipped tablet, Audio Tag tool is now available (as announced to maemo.org/downloads/2008). feedback is welcome Feb 13 12:03:33 Blafasel, I think the traffic is unlimited (there's no rules, not even guidelines, given), but disk space has a very hard limit Feb 13 12:03:48 I'm also announcing early packages of Gringotts, the strongbox to store secret keys and so on Feb 13 12:04:03 lardman: I do not think that you will need more then 100M for feed at start Feb 13 12:04:37 I could do up to about 1 GB Feb 13 12:06:16 Blafasel: :) Feb 13 12:06:53 hrw: thanks Feb 13 12:07:10 ok, so it's doable then, that's great Feb 13 12:07:18 lardman: OZ 3.5.4 feed took 1.1GB Feb 13 12:07:40 how much of that was opie stuff though? Feb 13 12:08:00 lardman: 3.5.1 has 161M, 3.5.2 had 246M, 3.5.3 459M Feb 13 12:08:20 yeah, my CF card feeds were ~250Mb iirc Feb 13 12:08:25 lardman: 112M Feb 13 12:08:42 242M took upgrades Feb 13 12:08:45 brb Feb 13 12:08:55 thanks hrw Feb 13 12:09:17 Blafasel, inz, I'll have a chat with you chaps when I get back then Feb 13 12:09:29 unless someone else decides to set one up in my absence Feb 13 12:10:15 Blafasel: and only 3 weeks, going to take a week when I get back to sort out what I've missed Feb 13 12:11:26 inz: Okay, my space is limited only by the harddisk in that machine (which isn't big at all, but > 1 GB is easily possible ;-) ) Feb 13 12:12:09 As hrw said, something like 100Mb would be enough for starters Feb 13 12:12:40 and I think 250Mb would be about the maximum needed (in the short term at least) Feb 13 12:12:51 Great. Feb 13 12:13:27 With that said, my little OE feed, which only contains Octave & Gnuplot is ~11Mb Feb 13 12:13:39 I'll have to get rid of the dev and dbg packages Feb 13 12:13:47 and doc Feb 13 12:13:53 and locale Feb 13 12:13:54 yep Feb 13 12:13:59 no locales in there Feb 13 12:14:20 but people may actually want the dev and dbg packages, oh well Feb 13 12:14:49 have to keep dev, just in case people want to use these packages to hack in scratchbox Feb 13 12:15:20 scarybox... Feb 13 12:15:31 yeah, but people are used to it now Feb 13 12:18:44 bbl Feb 13 12:22:55 <|tbb|> wwp: thanks will try it later, many ppl wanted that now they can get it ;) Feb 13 12:23:48 :) Feb 13 12:25:11 Anybody got a _working_ URL for GPE f/chinook? Feb 13 12:25:59 <|tbb|> wwp: is it written by yourself or is it ported ? Feb 13 12:30:32 lardman: have you tried sb2? Feb 13 12:30:41 ey ey felipec how is it going? Feb 13 12:34:45 felipec: is that the default for chinook? Feb 13 12:35:53 felipec: I don't have a problem with scratchbox, just with having to build lots of packages by hand to get anything done Feb 13 12:37:26 lardman, no, sb2 is still fairly broken Feb 13 12:37:45 what has changed to make it better than sb1? Feb 13 12:42:35 lardman, it's quite different -- resembles other cross dev systems more than sb1 in many ways Feb 13 12:43:29 at least using it does, I'm not familiar with how it really works Feb 13 12:45:04 as an example; building stuff means running "sb2-init" and then "sb2 dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot" Feb 13 12:45:51 jku: sb2-init is the equivalent of creating a sb1 toolchain Feb 13 12:46:06 yeah, figured as much Feb 13 12:46:18 jku: once you have that it's just "sb2 foo" Feb 13 12:47:08 IMO it's a great improvement over sb1, but I haven't yet managed to work with any Maemo SDK Feb 13 12:47:15 on sb2 Feb 13 12:50:51 sb2 had some serious issues with apt-get when I tried it a week or so ago Feb 13 12:51:03 it looks *really* nice though Feb 13 12:51:33 heh Feb 13 12:51:36 It's hard to overemphasize how much I'm looking forward to it Feb 13 12:52:07 an end to building things for debian in qemu... Feb 13 12:52:14 nice, nfs from vmware on the same box is basically as fast as local disk Feb 13 12:53:21 johnx: which kind of issues? Feb 13 12:53:46 I don't remember specifically but basically apt-get couldn't update properly Feb 13 12:54:18 I did confirm it with someone in #scratchbox at the time, but I don't remember specifically what wasn't working now Feb 13 12:54:36 ok Feb 13 12:54:45 and it was the emulation mode? :) Feb 13 12:54:53 does anyone know where to get sources for icu-config for building? Feb 13 12:55:34 jumpula, yes. maybe it's even fixed by now? Feb 13 12:55:40 Navi: its libicu Feb 13 12:56:15 mmk Feb 13 12:56:17 Navi, if it's libicu, then I think you get the source from ibm Feb 13 12:56:20 i think there's a new tag from last couple of days in the version control system. but i'm unsure wheter it'll fix your problem. Feb 13 12:56:39 it's off of ic-project.org Feb 13 12:56:45 s/ic/icu/ Feb 13 12:56:46 Navi meant: it's off of icu-project.org Feb 13 12:57:07 I'll check it in a bit, trying to get a recent webkit-gtk compiling in scratchbox... Feb 13 12:57:23 johnx: you could even try to fix it yourself :) Feb 13 12:57:24 Ha Feb 13 12:57:28 the code is really clean Feb 13 12:57:29 I've been trying as well. Feb 13 12:58:31 interesting, did you run into a problem with "m_url not declared in this scope"? Feb 13 12:58:46 or I assume you're hung up on some icu problem? Feb 13 12:59:02 I stop it when it complains about icu-config Feb 13 12:59:54 I seem to remember that problem a couple days ago...but now I have a new version of webkit and a different problem Feb 13 13:00:09 if I fix my problem I may even see the icu-config problem again... Feb 13 13:00:11 I cloned the svn yesterday. Feb 13 13:00:31 ah Feb 13 13:02:36 I wish I had a tablet to test on so I wouldn't have to compile everything _twice_ Feb 13 13:03:01 >_> Feb 13 13:03:13 compile things twice? Feb 13 13:03:30 looking for the future Feb 13 13:04:36 I'm happy to test binaries if you want Feb 13 13:04:50 I have a veritable assortment of ARM machines here :) Feb 13 13:05:36 we'll see Feb 13 13:17:36 <|tbb|> hey johnx, could u help me shortly Feb 13 13:18:08 sure Feb 13 13:18:30 Navi, well, I compile some things three times just to supports os2006, 7 and 8 Feb 13 13:18:42 <|tbb|> trying to get internet over an usbnet connection on my tablet Feb 13 13:19:00 <|tbb|> ssh into tablet via cable works Feb 13 13:19:27 Navi: use qemu arm emulation? Feb 13 13:19:41 I test most of arm stuff in qemu Feb 13 13:20:01 heya. Feb 13 13:21:03 Navi: and as maemo does not use armv6 iinstructions it can even be old qemu Feb 13 13:21:26 |tbb|, what OS is the desktop/laptop running that the tablet is plugged into? Feb 13 13:22:18 whee Feb 13 13:23:11 timeless: hey, there is a thread i cc'ed to maemo-devel about the FOUC problem, would be fascinated to hear a mozilla opinion Feb 13 13:23:20 |tbb|: I just did the port and packaging to maemo Feb 13 13:23:45 must go away now, bbl Feb 13 13:24:54 hrw, I have the latest stable qemu Feb 13 13:25:07 hrw, do you compile on a Celeron as well? Feb 13 13:25:49 no Feb 13 13:25:55 I do :P Feb 13 13:26:04 Navi: athlon64 x2 or pentium mobile Feb 13 13:26:15 * pupnik armed with coffee, takes up the fight with dosbox Feb 13 13:26:17 Navi: and I do not build maemo stuff Feb 13 13:26:25 Aw :P Feb 13 13:27:02 I built on ARM natively until I realized that qemu-system-arm was faster than the real thing... Feb 13 13:27:10 Lol... Feb 13 13:27:16 God damn. Feb 13 13:27:30 Failed Feb 13 13:27:54 I do not understand people which do arm builds on arm or qemu/arm ;D Feb 13 13:28:24 but then I hear scarybox stories... Feb 13 13:28:39 <|tbb|> johnx: im running ubuntu feisty Feb 13 13:29:54 johnx, how slow is your ARM build machine?-) Feb 13 13:30:40 I have two, an armv6tje (aka n800) and an armv5te (aka zaurus c1000) Feb 13 13:31:01 the biggest speed increase I get from qemu is probably RAM and disk I/O Feb 13 13:31:51 johnx: on which host you run qemu? Feb 13 13:32:04 athlon 64 3000+ Feb 13 13:32:26 usually niced to +5 since it's my desktop... Feb 13 13:32:45 I prefer c7x0 then qemu on my desktop Feb 13 13:32:58 for testing guis Feb 13 13:33:13 whole systems test on qemu as it is easier ;D Feb 13 13:33:38 I'm happy to test stuff on my C1000...USB host is a wonderful thing :) Feb 13 13:36:06 |tbb|, what problem are you having? Feb 13 13:36:13 can you ping your desktop from the tablet? Feb 13 13:36:28 <|tbb|> yes Feb 13 13:36:45 did you setup bridging or NAT on the desktop? Feb 13 13:38:12 has anyone here found -O2 to be faster than -O3 on anything yet? Feb 13 13:38:19 on the OMAP Feb 13 13:38:42 pupnik: you mean those 2ms? Feb 13 13:38:55 3 was faster on symbian.. on 2.9something gcc pre symbian9.x kernels Feb 13 13:39:13 hmm Feb 13 13:39:15 you're probably right hrw Feb 13 13:39:41 the only big changes i saw so far were selecting arm1136j-s Feb 13 13:40:01 glass: 2.95 kernel is obsolete Feb 13 13:40:12 I would say -Os is generally the way to go Feb 13 13:40:16 pupnik: arm1136js + -mvfp will be best Feb 13 13:40:49 hrw: yes, but still, pre symbian 9.x stuff is compiled on oooold gcc Feb 13 13:40:50 if you're going to build with vfp, please also build a version without, at least for os2007 Feb 13 13:41:11 ok Feb 13 13:41:18 Tak: s/os2007/770 you mean? Feb 13 13:41:22 * hrw -> afk Feb 13 13:42:15 <|tbb|> johnx what to do to do it? Feb 13 13:42:41 use this as an *example* to put in your /etc/network/interfaces on your desktop: http://pastebin.com/m46faa8b4 Feb 13 13:42:51 1qw eq2 Feb 13 13:42:58 oops srry Feb 13 13:43:49 <|tbb|> johnx i allready done that Feb 13 13:44:12 <|tbb|> ive changed ip from subnet 2 to 1 (192.168.1.0) Feb 13 13:45:18 does that clash with the subnet of your normal LAN? Feb 13 13:45:33 I mean for os2007, /because/ of the 770 Feb 13 13:45:59 <|tbb|> yeah Feb 13 13:46:09 <|tbb|> that was my first problem Feb 13 14:02:00 * |tbb| wonders if johnx was fallen into the black hole Feb 13 14:02:16 I'm here, but I don't have any great ideas Feb 13 14:02:41 on the n800, check: route, dns, and try to traceroute Feb 13 14:02:56 on the desktop: check kernel logs for messages from iptables Feb 13 14:03:34 how does people manage to use fbreader with the backlight constantly switching off? Feb 13 14:03:34 tcpdump/wireshark may also help Feb 13 14:03:35 <|tbb|> how to watch kernel logs about iptables Feb 13 14:03:51 tail -f /var/log/syslog Feb 13 14:04:31 doesn't fbreader keep the backlight on? Feb 13 14:04:32 if logging (and iptables rules) is enabled Feb 13 14:04:38 no Tak Feb 13 14:04:44 not even in fullscreen Feb 13 14:04:51 and I don't find options for that Feb 13 14:05:21 <|tbb|> nothing happend when im trying to apt-get update Feb 13 14:05:40 |tbb|, that's not the best test Feb 13 14:05:42 hi, I have been having difficulties connecting to AP's other than my own lately. Most of them are free wi-fi spots, like at Burger King. I assume the reason is due to there being draft n routers around, but this is a serious problem (I have a friend who won't simply buy the tablet since the device can't connect at her house because possibly one of her neighbours has a draft-n router.) Feb 13 14:05:44 try to ping google.com Feb 13 14:05:52 I thought I recalled people saying it did... Feb 13 14:05:59 Does anyone know of a remedy for this? Feb 13 14:06:00 btw, I also think it could use a good refactoring/streamlining of the preferences dialog Feb 13 14:06:09 or at least some way to find out the real cause? Feb 13 14:06:11 I find it odd, because it's a pretty simple call to keep the backlight on Feb 13 14:06:32 I used to connect to the ap at work, but now I can't, it gives a "network connection error" :S Feb 13 14:06:41 I read through about one screen of text in 2 minutes I guess... Feb 13 14:06:50 but you can add longer backlight timeouts with gconf Feb 13 14:06:54 30 minutes or more is possible Feb 13 14:06:58 Tak: do have docs handy for that? Feb 13 14:08:10 aren't other people having similar problems? can you connect to public ap's easily? Feb 13 14:09:19 michele_: g_timeout_add_seconds(59, osso_display_blanking_pause, myOssoContext); Feb 13 14:09:51 thank you (I was browsing libosso APIs...) Feb 13 14:10:07 http://library.gnome.org/devel/glib/stable/glib-The-Main-Event-Loop.html#g-timeout-add-seconds Feb 13 14:10:22 http://maemo.org/api_refs/4.0/libosso/group__Devstate.html#gbd82d7b0160e26cd15479f2685697322 Feb 13 14:10:48 ustunozgur, my top 3 problems connecting to public ap's: 1) not enough signal, 2) MAC filter 3) the "public ap" is actually a misconfigured laptop in ad-hoc mode Feb 13 14:11:54 BTW, where did you read that draft-N routers will cause that much of a problem? Feb 13 14:13:23 ustunozgur: would think that changing channel on your friends own ap would fix something like that Feb 13 14:13:36 Tak: "rgrep blanking" in the sources finds nothing, so I guess it's not called Feb 13 14:13:48 * Tak tsks Feb 13 14:19:34 johnx: I read it in itt and maemo bugs. Feb 13 14:19:45 I will give you the link Feb 13 14:24:07 johnx: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1656 this, for example Feb 13 14:24:43 It says n770, but I guess it might be the reason for not connecting to other networks too Feb 13 14:25:54 the bad thing is, it is actually the fault of the router of your neighbor, so if your neighbor buys one of those defective(?) routers, there is a danger that your device can go blind! Feb 13 14:26:23 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1459 this for example Feb 13 14:28:41 but noone knows for sure. some claim that this is fixed in os2008, I am running os2008, so maybe the problem is elsewhere Feb 13 14:34:09 Morning. Feb 13 14:34:32 Evening :) Feb 13 14:35:51 :-) Feb 13 14:36:12 almost morning again :D Feb 13 14:40:13 Pah Feb 13 14:40:51 Stoopid QT dependencies :/ Feb 13 14:41:12 q Feb 13 14:41:59 * SDuensin is being tempted to jump into Maemo coding. So many ideas, so little time. Feb 13 14:43:08 SDuensin, If you've ideas, there are places to throw them around as always Feb 13 14:43:29 oh hei, webkit's finally building. Damned thing. Feb 13 14:43:59 Well, one thing I personally want is an Apple II emulator. Feb 13 14:44:04 hello Feb 13 14:44:04 :3 Feb 13 14:44:10 BReady6433, hai Feb 13 14:44:21 Whaa? Did I hear "WebKit"? :-) Feb 13 14:44:28 No. Feb 13 14:44:34 SDuensin: unfortunately the linux appleII emus are not nearly as nice as the windows ones Feb 13 14:44:39 s/webkit/nothing/ Feb 13 14:44:51 Navi, it builds?! Feb 13 14:44:53 pupnik - Looked at LinApple? Feb 13 14:44:56 s/webkit's/nothing's/ Feb 13 14:45:01 can you pastebin your .bb for it? Feb 13 14:45:02 no bot? Feb 13 14:45:03 SDuensin: not heard of that yet Feb 13 14:45:14 pupnik - It's basically a port of AppleWin to Linux. Feb 13 14:45:23 johnx, I never said that it builds, but I did say it was building :) Feb 13 14:45:29 heh Feb 13 14:45:34 well keep me updated Feb 13 14:45:36 Last time I built it, it took an hour Feb 13 14:45:38 SDuensin: damn, now i'm going to try that right now Feb 13 14:45:40 or two Feb 13 14:45:46 johnx, will do Feb 13 14:45:51 webkit/gtk build fine here in sbox. Feb 13 14:46:01 had to build qt first, sadly Feb 13 14:46:08 pupnik - :-) Feb 13 14:46:42 Another thing I want to build is a cross-platform development kit that's been in my head for awhile. Feb 13 14:46:48 getting rid of qmake should be a bit of a higher prioraty Feb 13 14:47:36 Navi: what are you talking about? webkit/gtk uses autocrap for quite some time now.. Feb 13 14:48:07 jott, Really? I used the build script, so luls. Feb 13 14:48:51 Was wondering, shouldn't scratchbox build in cygwin? Feb 13 14:48:53 though you only need qmake not full qt for building with the qmake based buildsystem Feb 13 14:49:25 jott, yeah, but I took the time to build qt anyways, heh ^_^ Feb 13 14:49:51 Navi, are you building webkit in scratchbox or OE? Feb 13 14:49:59 Scratchbox Feb 13 14:49:59 well qt is nice so its good to have ;) Feb 13 14:50:04 :D Feb 13 14:50:09 ah...nevermind then Feb 13 14:50:14 OE? Feb 13 14:50:18 yeah Feb 13 14:50:23 trying to build it for my zaurus Feb 13 14:50:28 Navi: but still, read http://trac.webkit.org/projects/webkit/wiki/BuildingGtk and http://trac.webkit.org/projects/webkit/wiki/BuildingGtkUsingQMake Feb 13 14:50:30 ah, I see :3 Feb 13 14:50:50 I already know how to do it Feb 13 14:50:58 I've built it for my desktop Feb 13 14:51:35 I don't keep up as much as I'd like though; the webkit revision on there is a month old Feb 13 14:52:05 we would still need some nice hildonized ui :/ Feb 13 14:52:15 so, which webkit browser are you trying to build for the tablet? Feb 13 14:53:00 midori Feb 13 14:53:11 ah, me too Feb 13 14:53:26 i build midori too :O Feb 13 14:53:28 I just built it on ubuntu...it is quite fast Feb 13 14:53:36 ...and buggy ;> Feb 13 14:53:41 Midori is <3. I used to poke the devs a lot about it Feb 13 14:53:49 still prepre-alpha ;) Feb 13 14:53:53 Midori hasn't been that bad Feb 13 14:54:05 atleast when i tried it ~1-2 weeks ago Feb 13 14:54:10 I have the revision before the .17 and it hasn't failed me. Feb 13 14:54:20 jott, well the browser situation on the zaurus is pretty bad, so even midori would be nice Feb 13 14:54:32 wasn't alp toker working on EAL bindings for webkit? Feb 13 14:55:19 michele_, that sounds right Feb 13 14:55:22 alp: weren't you working on EAL bindings for webkit? ;-P Feb 13 14:55:35 luls Feb 13 14:55:39 oh... alp's here :) Feb 13 14:55:52 gah Feb 13 14:56:13 Anybody work with SDL on Maemo? Feb 13 14:56:20 I don't have enough bandwidth to watch the build Feb 13 14:56:29 SDuensin: a bit Feb 13 14:56:34 * Navi hopes it doesn't error out when I'm not here Feb 13 14:56:42 SDuensin, pupnik does Feb 13 14:57:02 * jott also hacked sdl stuff Feb 13 14:57:21 How does SDL handle the full-screen toggle? When I request a surface, do I get a full-screen surface or one that fits inside the menus? (Does that make sense?) Feb 13 14:57:54 It fills the screen Feb 13 14:58:06 if you pass SDL_FULLSCREEN, you get full screen Feb 13 14:58:10 So when the menus are being displayed, what gets cut off? Feb 13 14:58:40 which menus? sdl does not provide menus per se.. Feb 13 14:58:48 The system menus. Feb 13 14:58:56 the top corner of the viewing area will be 0,0 of the sdl window Feb 13 14:59:12 SDuensin: you mean in windowed mode? Feb 13 14:59:20 whatever doesn't fit withinfrom there to the bottom right will be offscreen Feb 13 14:59:26 Yea. Guess I do. :-) Feb 13 14:59:30 http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/maemo_4-0_tutorial.html#user-interface-parts has a useful diagram Feb 13 14:59:33 top left corner, that is Feb 13 14:59:38 Ah, ok - that's what I wanted to know. Feb 13 14:59:49 I don't have to resize my surface. Feb 13 15:02:07 SDuensin: you may consider using http://www.libsdl.org/release/SDL-1.2.6/docs/html/sdlwmtogglefullscreen.html Feb 13 15:02:23 het trying to run warzone2100 on my n800 and it tells me it cant run pallete.bin. is that a repos i have to dl? Feb 13 15:02:30 jott - Thanks! Feb 13 15:02:39 (though i'm fine running all sdl apps in fullscreen mode anyway ;-) Feb 13 15:03:17 Yeah Feb 13 15:03:30 all the sdl apps I've came over all fit in fullscreen Feb 13 15:05:51 Well, I intend for it to run fullscreen, however, if the user pops that little button to get the system menus to come up, I want it to work. Feb 13 15:06:14 the task manager will also show up in fullscreen mode Feb 13 15:06:50 from there you can either kill the app or go to your home screen or anywhere else ;) Feb 13 15:06:51 Perfect. :-) Feb 13 15:07:01 Now I'm even more wanting to play with it. Feb 13 15:07:14 Goes ahead Feb 13 15:07:19 A D Feb 13 15:07:29 s/D/winnar/ Feb 13 15:07:29 Navi meant: A winnar Feb 13 15:07:35 heh, there's no way to get the "home" button NOT to work Feb 13 15:07:50 Tak: xmodmap? ;) Feb 13 15:07:55 Tak, off switch? Feb 13 15:07:57 (or the same xlib calls ;-) Feb 13 15:08:00 Tak - That's nice to hear. I can't break it that way! Feb 13 15:13:44 Navi: the qmake build is likely to produce bad builds, i'd recommend using the autotools build Feb 13 15:14:20 webkit for maemo isn't quite ready for prime time yet, but things are moving fast now Feb 13 15:14:48 * Navi shrugs Feb 13 15:14:55 too late :P Feb 13 15:19:37 ok little confused. how do you find out which repository pallete.bin would be in? Feb 13 15:21:32 you probably could break it, but it would require determination Feb 13 15:22:49 :-) Feb 13 15:28:28 Hi Feb 13 15:30:34 hello ligerzero03 Feb 13 15:30:48 I installed a program in os2006 but it doesn't show in the menu Feb 13 15:30:51 how to find it? Feb 13 15:31:13 what program? Feb 13 15:31:13 what program? Feb 13 15:31:34 fce Feb 13 15:31:38 nintendo emulator Feb 13 15:32:31 fceu is a command line program. Feb 13 15:32:32 ligerzero03: install xmaeme as well Feb 13 15:32:49 does that bring it back to gui? Feb 13 15:33:00 Well see i'm having problems with some of the repositories. Feb 13 15:33:03 xmaeme is a GUI for fceu and other emulators Feb 13 15:33:14 I mean, it needs to be run from xterm Feb 13 15:33:36 xmaeme is a frontend for it Feb 13 15:34:36 * Tak grumbles about lazy fceu maintainer Feb 13 15:34:42 :3 Feb 13 15:35:14 I'm unsatisfied with everything. I _must_ be on the bleeding edge :D Feb 13 15:35:54 lol Feb 13 15:38:57 I have a problem with teh repositories where eventually it will say that it can't refresh teh list Feb 13 15:39:45 ligerzero03, look in the log in application manager to see which repo is failing to download a Packages file Feb 13 15:40:02 what does it show in the log? Menu->Tools->Log Feb 13 15:40:29 reinstalled warzone and got it to work Feb 13 15:40:36 I'm looking Feb 13 15:40:57 incase anyone gets the pallete error Feb 13 15:41:38 syas Feb 13 15:42:14 W: Couldn't stat source package list http://maemo.org.br mistral/main Packages Feb 13 15:42:17 *says Feb 13 15:42:52 probably you should remove that one from your repository list then Feb 13 15:43:12 a lot of the general repositories have that problem though Feb 13 15:43:13 so I can't get apps Feb 13 15:43:20 I tried to install xmaeme and it failed Feb 13 15:43:32 but I don't have a product id so I can't reflash the os Feb 13 15:43:33 <|tbb|> anyone knows how smoth the playback of youtube videos on iphone is (native) Feb 13 15:43:35 ligerzero03: os2006 is forgotten by many Feb 13 15:43:54 ligerzero03: MAC address of wifi card is product ID Feb 13 15:43:58 |tbb|, well it has a native youtube app Feb 13 15:44:28 <|tbb|> we too ;) Feb 13 15:44:30 It's odd, I put in the mac address and it said it was invalid. Feb 13 15:44:52 sorry for my stupid question ... I setup my development envidonment ... but when I try to execut armel binary I got this error message: "/scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: /scratchbox/devkits/cputransp/bin/qemu-arm-eabi-sb2: No such file or directory" Feb 13 15:44:56 can anyone help me? Feb 13 15:45:17 <|tbb|> or sort of Feb 13 15:45:37 ligerzero03: 770 product id? Feb 13 15:46:17 Yeah Feb 13 15:46:53 then read /msg ;D Feb 13 15:49:07 ligerzero03: try downloading and installing http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/mistral/free/x/xmaeme/xmaeme_0.10-1_armel.deb directly Feb 13 15:49:26 It finally installed Feb 13 15:49:35 Now where would I get 2007HE? Feb 13 15:50:28 http://os2007on770.garage.maemo.org/ Feb 13 15:50:52 <|tbb|> so how smooth the playback is on youtube videos through iphone (with the videos, before they get converted) Feb 13 15:51:38 Who here runs 2007HE? Feb 13 15:51:50 yes, who here runs 2007HE?! Feb 13 15:52:48 I run an older version of it, but I never use my 770.. :) Feb 13 15:52:56 dpb_: you have it near you now? Feb 13 15:52:56 Nice Feb 13 15:52:58 how does it run? Feb 13 15:53:01 rm_you: nope Feb 13 15:53:07 damn :/ Feb 13 15:53:10 re Feb 13 15:53:13 as I said, I never use it. Feb 13 15:53:24 it ran fine when I did use it Feb 13 15:53:25 anyone else have a 770? Feb 13 15:53:28 I do Feb 13 15:53:32 me too Feb 13 15:53:40 i need the contents of /proc/component_version Feb 13 15:53:57 rm_you, I have 770 and gregale, what is not you are looking for Feb 13 15:53:58 preferably on an n770 in both os2006 and os2007HE Feb 13 15:54:08 don't have it with me I'm afraid Feb 13 15:54:12 not sure if there is a difference Feb 13 15:54:28 but it would be nice if there was, actually Feb 13 15:54:40 is there a kernel version? Feb 13 15:54:43 difference Feb 13 15:54:48 possibly Feb 13 15:54:52 I think not Feb 13 15:54:58 but i'd rather rely on component_version Feb 13 15:55:32 nah, on my N810 it only has product, hw-build & nolo Feb 13 15:55:59 you could parse /proc/version Feb 13 15:56:17 lardman: those are what i need :P Feb 13 15:56:49 zoran: do you have your n770 with you? Feb 13 15:56:52 <|tbb|> anyone using the wayfinder application in full version (means licenced) Feb 13 15:56:55 not in this moment Feb 13 15:56:59 k :/ Feb 13 15:57:13 and it is just 770, as I know :) Feb 13 15:57:36 I use 2007HE Feb 13 15:57:39 habit >_> Feb 13 15:57:45 Tak: ah yes... thats right Feb 13 15:57:55 want to help me out and post your /proc/component_version ? Feb 13 15:59:38 product SU-18 hw-build 1602 nolo 0.9.14 Feb 13 16:00:04 rm_you: what are you trying to do? Feb 13 16:01:11 lardman: my program decides what hardware it's on and does different things Feb 13 16:01:22 https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/libvo/vo_nokia770.c?root=mplayer&view=markup static int check_nokia_device_type(char *device_id) might be worth a look Feb 13 16:01:34 i base it off the "product" in the /proc/component_version Feb 13 16:01:40 ah Feb 13 16:01:41 it might :P Feb 13 16:01:50 looks like ssvb uses /proc/cpuinfo string Feb 13 16:01:55 hrm Feb 13 16:01:57 well Feb 13 16:02:04 component_version is easy enough Feb 13 16:02:18 SU-18!??! Feb 13 16:02:20 seriously? Feb 13 16:02:21 random Feb 13 16:02:36 I am total serial. Feb 13 16:02:38 rm_you: use cpuinfo Feb 13 16:03:15 hrw: i could... but i've yet to see how component_version doesn't work, or how cpuinfo would be better in any way Feb 13 16:04:03 rm_you: cpuinfo is present always as this is part of kernel mainline. component_version is nokia thing Feb 13 16:04:12 the interweb has broken Feb 13 16:04:13 roumors are that the kernel is much the same Feb 13 16:04:34 hrw: but my applet ONLY works on nokia hardware :/ Feb 13 16:04:36 zoran: but machines are not Feb 13 16:04:48 770 for gregale and he Feb 13 16:04:51 rm_you: why you need to check hardware version? Feb 13 16:04:56 for my backlight applet Feb 13 16:05:15 each hardware version has specific details about either what levels it can do or how the change is performed Feb 13 16:05:40 rm_you: hw version as 'n810 0805' is different to 'n810 0806'? Feb 13 16:05:52 i use "product" Feb 13 16:06:18 so not 'hardware version' but machine name Feb 13 16:06:21 n800 is RX-34 Feb 13 16:06:33 su-18, rx-34, rx-44, rx-48 Feb 13 16:06:35 I have 0801, btw Feb 13 16:06:36 yes Feb 13 16:06:41 770, n800, n810, unknown Feb 13 16:06:47 indeed. Feb 13 16:07:03 all i have to do is open that file and read the 16th byte :P Feb 13 16:07:10 it's SO unimaginably easy :P Feb 13 16:08:10 though with the RX-48 in the mix i'll have to grab 16th AND 17th byte >_> Feb 13 16:08:17 annoying :P Feb 13 16:08:23 but not really <_< Feb 13 16:08:36 18 bytes?! Feb 13 16:08:39 * Tak head explodes Feb 13 16:08:41 rm_you: ever heard of strstr() and other string funtions? Feb 13 16:08:48 yes Feb 13 16:08:57 but i think this is... slick :P Feb 13 16:09:26 not 18 bytes... just the ONE byte, at position 16 :P Feb 13 16:10:04 * rm_you looks at the Tak-colored splatter covering the walls of #maemo Feb 13 16:11:00 fseek(fp,sizeof(char)*15,0); fread(&version,sizeof(char),1,fp); Feb 13 16:11:02 done :P Feb 13 16:11:43 that just seems... neat :P to me Feb 13 16:13:22 So here's an odd question Feb 13 16:13:34 bbl Feb 13 16:13:50 do they make firefox for debian arm based/ Feb 13 16:14:20 and how do I open the zoomed keyboard Feb 13 16:14:54 <_collin_> ligerzero03: you basically have ff on the tablet Feb 13 16:15:03 <_collin_> it is the same gecko engine Feb 13 16:15:18 <_collin_> people even ported some plugins like addblock Feb 13 16:15:36 _collin_: not under os2006 Feb 13 16:15:37 ...with 2007HE Feb 13 16:15:51 <_collin_> ups out of sync with channel topic Feb 13 16:15:56 <_collin_> sorry Feb 13 16:16:22 ahh Feb 13 16:19:42 ack gotta go to a test Feb 13 16:19:42 BBL Feb 13 16:41:06 * tony2001 now I have ext2/ext3/reiser/smb support in the kernel =) Feb 13 16:41:36 tony2001: 2MB is a lot of space for kernel Feb 13 16:42:27 again .... sorry for my stupid question ... I setup my development envidonment ... but when I try to execut armel binary I got this error message: "/scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: /scratchbox/devkits/cputransp/bin/qemu-arm-eabi-sb2: No such file or directory" Feb 13 16:42:29 can anyone help me? Feb 13 16:42:40 hrw: not sure I get what you're talking about Feb 13 16:43:50 tony2001: n810/n800 has 2MB flash partition for kernel Feb 13 16:43:56 its lot Feb 13 16:44:17 mk8, I'm guessing you do not have scratchbox-devkit-cputransp installed. How did you install the SDK? Feb 13 16:45:14 hrw: so? Feb 13 16:45:46 tony2001: I am used to Zaurus where limit was 1-1.2MB so we had to strip lot of stuff into modules Feb 13 16:47:17 see you guys later Feb 13 16:47:58 hrw: well, then I definitely don Feb 13 16:48:18 't understand why these modules are not included by default Feb 13 16:48:55 tony2001: stupid nokia ideas Feb 13 16:52:10 jku: I follow the wiki instruction ... I do it some time ago ... so I not able to find the instaction that I follow ... Feb 13 16:52:30 can you please give me an updated wiki link? Feb 13 16:54:04 mk8, it's not that well hidden: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/maemo_4-0_tutorial.html#settingup Feb 13 16:54:07 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/4.0/INSTALL.txt Feb 13 16:58:24 thanks .... but IIRC I follow this instruction ..... infact I have other qemu-arm-eab .... but qemu-arm-eabi-sb2 is missing ... :( Feb 13 16:58:26 in case somebody needs additional FS support in the kernel, it's here: deb http://maemo.daylessday.org/repo chinook user Feb 13 17:00:27 tony2001, what does it include? Feb 13 17:02:06 ext2, ext3, reiserfs, smbfs, cifs Feb 13 17:14:26 tony2001, how about MD support? :) Feb 13 17:14:40 MonoDevelop? Feb 13 17:14:56 RAID. :) Feb 13 17:15:50 anyone know if there is a fusefs package? Feb 13 17:26:14 hey guys Feb 13 17:26:17 quick questoin Feb 13 17:26:34 dose the deafault browser that comes on the n800 support flash? Feb 13 17:27:21 yes Feb 13 17:27:34 survey says... Feb 13 17:27:35 yes Feb 13 17:27:52 actually lardman sounds better Feb 13 17:27:56 so does the 2007 hacker editoin for the 770 have the same browser Feb 13 17:27:59 * Tak download Family Feud NES ROM Feb 13 17:28:09 bye Feb 13 17:28:11 flash is not supported by default on 2007HE browser Feb 13 17:28:27 ifis there a way to get flash working on the 770? Feb 13 17:29:39 Anyone here been to Adelaide recently? Feb 13 17:31:28 I'm not sure - I doubt the 770 has enough horsepower to run any but the simplest flash applications in any case Feb 13 17:31:42 s/horse/gnu/ Feb 13 17:31:42 Tak meant: I'm not sure - I doubt the 770 has enough gnupower to run any but the simplest flash applications in any case Feb 13 17:32:22 ok Feb 13 17:32:26 :3 Feb 13 17:32:30 i have a solution Feb 13 17:32:32 install vnc Feb 13 17:32:33 i have seen it working on some videos on the internets Feb 13 17:32:40 ;) Feb 13 17:32:50 x forwarding > vnc Feb 13 17:33:07 i'm being generic here Feb 13 17:33:16 in performance, rdesktop > vnc Feb 13 17:33:23 roundeye: I think there might be a thread about hacking it into the browser on ITT Feb 13 17:41:44 on tyhe itt wabe page huh Feb 13 17:41:46 ill check it out Feb 13 17:44:17 * Tak throw new ParseError(); Feb 13 17:44:50 Navi: is that a Zoidberg smiley? Feb 13 17:44:57 lmoura: hi Feb 13 17:44:59 :) Feb 13 17:45:05 it's a wittle kitty smiley Feb 13 17:45:08 :3 Feb 13 17:45:23 santagada, hi Feb 13 17:45:56 lmoura: so I don't know what osantana told you, but he said you ran the shootout tests with pypy Feb 13 17:46:00 So the reload is nice Feb 13 17:46:29 lmoura: could you run them with the best performing pypy from http://tuatara.cs.uni-duesseldorf.de/benchmark.html Feb 13 17:46:40 santagada, no, with CPython for maemo Feb 13 17:47:15 lmoura: but do you have it setup to run with any python right? Feb 13 17:47:41 santagada, AFAIR, yes Feb 13 17:47:43 lmoura: can you please run it with pypy-c-51425-gc=generation--faassen from that page and mail me the results Feb 13 17:48:14 santagada, I'll leave it running tonight, it takes some time :) Feb 13 17:48:19 ok? Feb 13 17:48:25 and with normal cpython so we can compare Feb 13 17:49:01 later I will bug you again if the pypy guys like the idea of having it run as part of the benchmark run Feb 13 17:50:04 lmoura: big thanks man Feb 13 17:52:03 santagada, quick question, where can I find that pypy version? (any branch?) Feb 13 17:52:35 GeneralAntilles: lol Feb 13 17:53:19 I win. :P Feb 13 17:53:25 by 4 minutes <_< Feb 13 17:53:25 lmoura: uhmmm let me see if there is a precompiled version anywhere Feb 13 17:53:32 it took me a while to look up the presence.desktop file location Feb 13 17:53:42 Might as well be 4 years! Feb 13 17:53:45 lol Feb 13 18:00:27 lmoura: do you know how to build pypy? Feb 13 18:01:36 santagada, I did it with 1.0 some time ago Feb 13 18:02:40 lmoura: ok then Feb 13 18:03:34 lmoura: svn co http://codespeak.net/svn/pypy/dist pypy-dist Feb 13 18:03:43 revision 51425? Feb 13 18:04:18 no no Feb 13 18:04:35 trunk should be ok Feb 13 18:04:39 http://codespeak.net/pypy/dist/pypy/doc/getting-started.html#translating-the-pypy-python-interpreter Feb 13 18:05:45 but pass -gc=generation --faassen Feb 13 18:06:05 ok Feb 13 18:12:38 lmoura: uhmm i think you need also --allworkingmodules Feb 13 18:13:23 hey guys how do i reg my nick to nameserv? Feb 13 18:13:47 Heh, message nickserv Feb 13 18:14:38 lol you laughing because of my newb qyestions? Feb 13 18:14:56 * bhearsum wonders how to completely remove a scratchbox installation -- even as root i get permission denied errors Feb 13 18:15:02 thanks btw Feb 13 18:15:21 BReady6433: you want to register this beautiful nick? Feb 13 18:15:23 :D Feb 13 18:20:54 i was unable to find the howto on getting flash to work on the 770 Feb 13 18:21:11 maybe one of you guys could help me out by pointing me in the right directoin Feb 13 18:21:45 I may be missing some context, but flash works out of the box on the 770 Feb 13 18:21:52 the problem is that it's flash 7, so no youtube Feb 13 18:22:48 it doesn't work out of the box on 2007HE Feb 13 18:23:41 there was a thread on itt about putting flash 9 on the 770 Feb 13 18:43:55 was it on itt web site? Feb 13 18:49:03 * Cptnodegard is happy with self ^^ Feb 13 18:49:04 http://s136.photobucket.com/albums/q187/Cptnodegard/?action=view¤t=HPIM0620.flv Feb 13 18:54:32 evening Feb 13 19:22:34 roundeye: there is directions and links to librarys on internettablettalk.com Feb 13 19:25:52 ITT, the google of the nseries Feb 13 19:26:28 lol Feb 13 19:28:32 ITT, nearly unviewable on a member of the nseries ;-) Feb 13 19:29:25 lol Feb 13 19:30:20 that's truly embarassing Feb 13 19:30:40 especially as it wouldn't take that much work, but reggie doesn't seem interested Feb 13 19:31:21 What's a good screen protector for the N800? Feb 13 19:31:46 there are countless debates on ITT about that Feb 13 19:31:55 :P Feb 13 19:32:07 I'm not a regular, so I wouldn't know. Feb 13 19:32:20 Don't even have one of those newfangled doohickeys >_> Feb 13 19:32:29 doowhat? Feb 13 19:32:43 s/doohickeys/thingamajigs/ Feb 13 19:32:43 Navi meant: Don't even have one of those newfangled thingamajigs >_> Feb 13 19:34:06 I wonder if I can use my thumb on the stylus keyboard Feb 13 19:34:42 Navi: google for "fingertip stylus" :) Feb 13 19:34:48 Those suck Feb 13 19:34:58 I hate the feel of it Feb 13 19:35:06 never tried one Feb 13 19:35:12 They feel awkward Feb 13 19:38:50 I have pretty slender fingers and would rather see the screen while typing Feb 13 19:42:56 best screen protector? abstinence Feb 13 19:43:47 Sounds like a poorly made condom. Feb 13 19:44:28 i.e. don't use your screen, it will likely never get scratched. bit of a boring option though :) Feb 13 19:44:50 amon-ra everyone Feb 13 19:45:00 MangoFusion, :P Feb 13 19:45:03 Would you like to read the reveal? Feb 13 19:45:15 is this some sort of code? Feb 13 19:45:20 It involves biblical figures Feb 13 19:45:36 yes or no? Feb 13 19:45:43 it must not be given against will Feb 13 19:46:34 I need op in this channel. Feb 13 19:46:53 BEGINNITIO REVELATIONEM Feb 13 19:46:56 Tak: for the boring evenings? Feb 13 19:47:01 DECODE BIBLIA Feb 13 19:47:15 Revel - Abraham is associated with the Egyptian pharaoh Amenemhat I (translates: amen is the head) who worshiped the god Amun (Amen). Abraham god then be associated with in the Abrahamic religions god as amun, amon, omon, amen and the deity aamon. Abraham/Amenemhet I Feb 13 19:47:16 hey maybe he want to promote a bible app for the ITs :) Feb 13 19:47:28 Revel - Jacob = King Yakubher Feb 13 19:47:28 Revel - Moses = Thutmose III Feb 13 19:47:28 Revel - David = Psusennes I Feb 13 19:47:28 Revel - Solomon = Siamun (translates: son of amun) Feb 13 19:47:28 Revel - James = Ptolemy Philadelphus Feb 13 19:47:31 Revel - Thomas Judas Didymus = Alexander Helios Feb 13 19:47:33 Revel - Mary Magdalene = Cleopatra Selene II Feb 13 19:47:34 AmR-eye: stop it Feb 13 19:47:37 FINALIZE REVELATIONEM Feb 13 19:47:39 AmR-eye: now. Feb 13 19:47:39 michele_: for this Feb 13 19:47:41 BIBLIA CHARACTER 1 Feb 13 19:47:47 REVELATIONEM DE CHRISTUS Feb 13 19:47:55 Revel - JESUS = CAESARION, Ptolemy XV, King of kings, little ceasar, Isa, Jesus Feb 13 19:47:55 The son of Julius Ceasar / Divine Julius and Clepatra VII / Goddes Isis Feb 13 19:47:56 Married to his half sister at "wedding in cana" Feb 13 19:47:58 Tak, you need op in this channel Feb 13 19:48:11 Consensus achieved. Feb 13 19:48:14 Tak: I didn't saw it coming Feb 13 19:48:22 I agree Feb 13 19:48:29 Damned religious bots Feb 13 19:48:33 bizarre Feb 13 19:48:33 Go to hell! Feb 13 19:48:38 we forgot to say "No" Feb 13 19:48:52 as in "it must not be given against will" Feb 13 19:49:11 * Tak doesn't believe that saying "No" would have helped Feb 13 19:49:29 * Navi believes bugging a freenode op for a ban might help Feb 13 19:49:56 it is a major difference, as free will is a key element Feb 13 19:50:18 Free will sucks Feb 13 19:50:31 free will is god's exit plan Feb 13 19:51:29 Jeebus, bluetooth drains so much energy. Feb 13 19:51:37 peace in your hearts Feb 13 19:57:07 anyone know how to install flash 9 on the n770 with 2007HE? Feb 13 19:57:13 pm me please! Feb 13 20:04:55 Will my BP-5L batteries work for the N800? Feb 13 20:05:13 I have like, three of them. Feb 13 20:08:25 Yep that's the battery it uses Feb 13 20:08:32 Sweet Feb 13 20:11:05 where to buy spare batteries for n810? Feb 13 20:13:02 A few different places Feb 13 20:14:37 The intartubes. Feb 13 20:14:52 The ultraslim looks like it's insanely hard to get used to Feb 13 20:14:55 Hi GeneralAntilles Feb 13 20:28:07 hey, what was the file to modify to remap keyboard? Feb 13 20:30:55 konttori: the rx-44 thing? Feb 13 20:31:00 konttori: /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr/rx-44 or what? Feb 13 20:31:09 I suppose that then Feb 13 20:31:15 ah. cool. Feb 13 20:31:20 * konttori goes to check it out Feb 13 20:31:51 yeah tweak it! the keyboard so much unused key combinations :) Feb 13 20:32:22 Anybody uses xterm and configured additional control keys on key panel? Feb 13 20:32:39 i tried to put | on the key panel Feb 13 20:32:46 it puts it, but doesn't print it when i click it Feb 13 20:32:49 FAIL! Feb 13 20:33:02 hmm packages for userland must show user/* (where * is Utilities or whatever). what about packages like system libs? Feb 13 20:33:04 * Mousey cries Feb 13 20:33:14 for | you have to set the value to "bar" Feb 13 20:33:43 wwp: they can be in whatever group, but they won't be directly installable via the App Manager if they're not in user/whatever Feb 13 20:34:36 Tak: yes.. but apps that have deps (libs). those libs could be "unvisible" from the user list but still be installed by the deps mechanism, no? Feb 13 20:34:58 and for F-keys you can use "Escape, n" for Fn Feb 13 20:34:59 Yes. Feb 13 20:35:47 Tak: then I wonder, what's usual for non-user libs? libraries/blah or what? Feb 13 20:36:02 just blah Feb 13 20:36:14 ;)) Feb 13 20:37:52 wwp: debian/ubuntu uses "Section: libs" and "libdevel" you should go for that ;) Feb 13 20:38:11 question on os2008 wifi icons if anone has sec. I know the normal one looks like, and the Wep one with the padlock in it. I assume the WPA one is the icon with 3 keyholes in the padlock. What is the icon with a dot above the strength indicator? is that to denote adhoc peer to peer? Feb 13 20:38:48 Yes. Feb 13 20:38:54 interesting Feb 13 20:39:16 so someone in my company has a laptop in adoc with an SSID of "FreeInternet" aimed at our boardroom. Feb 13 20:39:48 Yeah, Windows likes to recreate ad hoc networks it connects to. Feb 13 20:39:57 winxp PCs accumulate adhoc net...yeah Feb 13 20:39:58 It gets nostalgic or something. Feb 13 20:40:04 nice Feb 13 20:40:13 <||cw> mwaldron: yeah, there are several of those adhoc names going around Feb 13 20:40:53 <||cw> they just need to delete the profile Feb 13 20:41:20 <||cw> though I've always wondered, if you join the adhoc and had a dhcp server running, would you then have full access to all pc's on it? Feb 13 20:43:25 do recent webkits have SVG support? Feb 13 20:43:40 yeah, if i find the offending machine Feb 13 20:43:48 Should. Feb 13 20:44:18 it seems to me that, even though they're advertising the adhoc network, usually they don't allow connections Feb 13 20:44:49 it allowed me to connect to it, gave me an ip, but no routing Feb 13 20:45:03 hell, winxp can barely connect adhoc under the /best/ circumstances Feb 13 21:15:11 nice, evince cbr/cbz support works.. Feb 13 21:24:58 in linux is there a way to copy all executable files in a folder to somewhere else (in windows its *.exe or *.dll) linux doesnt have extensions to help.. Feb 13 21:25:42 or is this the reason why people have a bin folder? Feb 13 21:26:01 and the x flag Feb 13 21:26:33 but what makes something executable is not its file aspect, but its file contents Feb 13 21:26:33 ding, excellent thanks wwp Feb 13 21:26:52 an exec could miss the x flag, or a non-exec has it Feb 13 21:27:45 its not that, im just compiling up tiny examples and wrote a tiny script to make/scp/execture the primary executable i just built. i didnt want to have to change it for every tiny project i test Feb 13 21:28:00 ok Feb 13 21:28:26 so i will simply filter to those with x perms and it should work nicely :) Feb 13 21:28:58 incientally, is there a way to get the makefile deploying and running? Feb 13 21:29:04 lcuk_3: and if that fails, "file" command is your friend Feb 13 21:30:31 filetype ident checker...nice - like an antivirus scanner - checking for signatures inside :) Feb 13 21:43:50 asdoih Feb 13 21:46:06 npaspfnapsfnpnpnasfpnaspfnp Feb 13 21:52:15 pupnik, you got gramlins or a norty kitty? Feb 13 21:52:19 e Feb 13 21:53:30 whoever you are, please stop walking over pupnik's keyboard Feb 13 21:59:37 Ha . . . cat's. There's one here trying to dial Gizmo from my N800. <_< Feb 13 22:02:38 thats ok as long as gizmo is the neighbours cat ;) Feb 13 22:03:04 beer or coffee? Feb 13 22:04:08 Beer, duh. Feb 13 22:04:35 its a school night thou, my mummy said i cant have beer :( Feb 13 22:04:48 OK, a big salad bowl of ice cream. Feb 13 22:04:49 Yum. Feb 13 22:05:38 wow Feb 13 22:06:11 ice cream? Feb 13 22:06:12 LCARS is amazing Feb 13 22:06:13 its WINTER Feb 13 22:06:17 Ha Feb 13 22:06:21 lol Feb 13 22:06:25 * lcuk_3 fills it with snow Feb 13 22:06:27 It's only in the mid-40s out. Feb 13 22:06:28 also: Feb 13 22:06:33 rm_you, its quite good isnt it Feb 13 22:06:44 check out my ip: Feb 13 22:06:50 charge your battery and you get a cylon on your screen Feb 13 22:07:37 inet addr: xxx.xxx.93.0 Feb 13 22:07:49 it ends in ZERO Feb 13 22:07:52 wtf Feb 13 22:08:10 rm_you|n800 haxed the internets! Feb 13 22:08:17 i didnt tthink that was possible... but it works!!!!!!!!!! Feb 13 22:08:29 i sshed to it ssuccessfully Feb 13 22:08:39 wtf! Feb 13 22:09:12 anyway... LCARS iconset will be tonight Feb 13 22:09:22 because of awesome Feb 13 22:09:33 excellent Feb 13 22:09:46 hey, whilst you are here, the backlight thing you did is a kernel mod isnt it Feb 13 22:09:55 any idea how to make osso-statusbar-cpu look better? Feb 13 22:09:57 rm_you|n800: watch at your netmask... 255.255.0.0? :) Feb 13 22:10:00 <||cw> sure 0 will work. normally you can connect to 0 even if ther eis no host on it and you'll get a response from the fastest system in the subnet Feb 13 22:10:04 lcuk_3: no Feb 13 22:10:16 rm_you|n800: LCARS ICONSET?! I WANT IT NOW! Feb 13 22:10:18 :D Feb 13 22:10:22 ahhhh rm, thought it was Feb 13 22:10:39 its just linked and autoruns from maemo isnt it Feb 13 22:10:43 cw: right... thought it was reserved Feb 13 22:10:54 lcuk_3: ? Feb 13 22:11:05 rm_you|n800: it depends on the subnet you are usig... Feb 13 22:11:07 using... Feb 13 22:11:15 lol Feb 13 22:11:21 you just have the module running from the subsystem on the maemo desktop.... rather than a proper kernel module Feb 13 22:11:31 it just seems really random Feb 13 22:11:36 rm_you|n800: if you are using a whole C class .0 will be your broadcast address :) Feb 13 22:11:41 lcuk_3: no? Feb 13 22:11:59 lcuk_3: it's just a normal statusbar plugin... Feb 13 22:12:23 osso-statusbar-cpu: make the colors more pastel, turn off the clock, install the big clock. Feb 13 22:12:25 which is more integrated into maemo than a normal application Feb 13 22:12:43 err... i guess? Feb 13 22:12:49 yes Feb 13 22:12:55 lol Feb 13 22:12:59 i guess it is Feb 13 22:13:27 which is why i got it confused with a kernel module - which is integrated into the main linux kernel Feb 13 22:13:45 * lcuk_3 forgot about the middle ground Feb 13 22:13:51 ... Feb 13 22:14:09 * rm_you|n800 feels confused Feb 13 22:14:11 to do this framebuffer stuff properly i need kernel module Feb 13 22:14:22 yes. Feb 13 22:15:08 hence i was asking you because i thought yours was one... i was mistaken... oooh look, isnt LCARS nice Feb 13 22:15:43 lol Feb 13 22:16:00 yes :P Feb 13 22:16:18 did you install just the theme or everything (theme+extra helper programs) Feb 13 22:16:57 GeneralAntilles, are you still running it on yours? Feb 13 22:17:18 i used their .install Feb 13 22:17:26 so, complete Feb 13 22:18:08 have you rebooted yet? Feb 13 22:18:11 you get sounds.. Feb 13 22:18:18 yes Feb 13 22:18:26 i did,, and do ;p Feb 13 22:21:40 i have another project... Feb 13 22:21:48 and omg awesome... Feb 13 22:22:00 it's lcars related Feb 13 22:22:29 you know the default lcars desktop? Feb 13 22:22:49 imagine the side bars are temp/lux meters Feb 13 22:23:25 and the center is a planet with definable color palettes Feb 13 22:23:50 that is generated with perlin noise and is zoomable Feb 13 22:24:02 and rotatable Feb 13 22:24:05 ;p Feb 13 22:24:26 Haha Feb 13 22:24:34 the zooming process would even look like it does in ST Feb 13 22:24:38 lcuk_3, one has LCARS one has Echo. Feb 13 22:25:06 go find ken perlin's world applet for an example Feb 13 22:26:35 http://mrl.nyu.edu/~perlin/demox/Planet.html Feb 13 22:27:18 how ridiculously awesome would that be Feb 13 22:30:50 hi everyonejust a quick q about x chat if anyone is there Feb 13 22:31:38 everyone sleeping :( Feb 13 22:31:44 ;/ Feb 13 22:31:53 aha Feb 13 22:31:54 just ask your question Feb 13 22:31:57 ok Feb 13 22:32:03 DATA Feb 13 22:32:05 is it possible to cut and paste Feb 13 22:32:15 yes Feb 13 22:32:24 i can highlight the text but sadly Feb 13 22:32:34 the keyboard does not show copy Feb 13 22:32:45 <||cw> try the menu Feb 13 22:32:46 select the text then hit the lowest left button Feb 13 22:32:54 or tap'n'hold Feb 13 22:33:07 oh wait Feb 13 22:33:21 xchat autocopies Feb 13 22:33:31 just select and paste Feb 13 22:33:35 or that Feb 13 22:34:00 thnks Feb 13 22:34:04 just done it Feb 13 22:34:06 :P Feb 13 22:34:08 sheesh i feel foolish Feb 13 22:34:29 seeing as the generals online and i know he loves a fool ;) Feb 13 22:34:40 can u recommend a rar and zip gui Feb 13 22:34:48 it's more obvious on other platforms, as iit also auto-deselects Feb 13 22:35:04 xarchiver Feb 13 22:35:08 Does xterm count? :P Feb 13 22:35:12 works well Feb 13 22:35:21 xterm or xarchiver Feb 13 22:35:37 i may have thhe deb, but google should find it Feb 13 22:35:38 oh ok Feb 13 22:35:43 ill check Feb 13 22:35:44 xarchiver Feb 13 22:36:07 just out of interest ive been running mplayer and am absolutely amazed at what it plays Feb 13 22:36:16 literally everything Feb 13 22:36:24 * GeneralAntilles dreams of 720p. Feb 13 22:36:24 was pleasently suprised Feb 13 22:36:29 alright Feb 13 22:36:30 lol Feb 13 22:36:37 but twas a shock to me Feb 13 22:36:42 http://xarchive.garage.maemo.org/ Feb 13 22:36:46 after seeing all the bitchingin the forums Feb 13 22:37:13 plays everyting ive thrown it Feb 13 22:37:19 Yes, ITT is filled with vitriolic hyperbole. Feb 13 22:37:24 lol Feb 13 22:37:25 hmmm Feb 13 22:37:32 pH5|N810: DevInitMBX looks interesting and complete and actually probably quite easy to decipher Feb 13 22:37:44 try it with bluetooth->a2dp yet? :P Feb 13 22:37:50 noooo Feb 13 22:37:56 im not so greedy Feb 13 22:37:59 lol Feb 13 22:38:09 it works great! Feb 13 22:38:13 :P Feb 13 22:38:30 would take up too much cpu Feb 13 22:38:39 a2dp is what first got me intoo maemo Feb 13 22:38:41 im trying to get windows share working Feb 13 22:38:52 errr .. actually it isnt horrible Feb 13 22:39:02 someone said its automatic on os2008 Feb 13 22:39:08 but hasnt been so for me Feb 13 22:39:08 yes Feb 13 22:39:20 they need to be unpassworded Feb 13 22:39:32 <|tbb|> a2dp works great? Feb 13 22:39:34 yup so it is Feb 13 22:39:48 i dunno Feb 13 22:39:53 tbb: fairly, last time i checked Feb 13 22:39:59 sould it just pick up the share Feb 13 22:40:19 with my patched mpllayer, cpuscale hack, and video :P Feb 13 22:40:25 firewall on windows device could be blocking things.. Feb 13 22:40:44 nope it works between to windows machines Feb 13 22:40:50 two Feb 13 22:40:54 on mine ive parted the wall between my machines Feb 13 22:40:57 * lcuk_3 feels like moses Feb 13 22:41:02 ahh Feb 13 22:41:09 that would be the water surely Feb 13 22:41:13 <|tbb|> rm_you where to get it, is there a wiki Feb 13 22:41:14 new/different network interface Feb 13 22:41:26 and now whats with the patched mplayer Feb 13 22:41:44 or cpuscale Feb 13 22:41:47 lardman: good, I didn't look at that one yet Feb 13 22:41:56 will tht oveclock the cpu Feb 13 22:42:00 surely not Feb 13 22:42:19 oh damn the other halfs calling Feb 13 22:42:22 :( Feb 13 22:42:25 gnight all Feb 13 22:42:27 and thanx Feb 13 22:42:36 dont complain its valentines soon Feb 13 22:42:50 yup Feb 13 22:42:53 i know Feb 13 22:42:54 I've started with the clock setup, but this is completely different on 2420 Feb 13 22:42:55 buuut Feb 13 22:43:03 cant afford anythingfancy Feb 13 22:43:03 and 2430 Feb 13 22:43:10 just bought the n800 Feb 13 22:43:13 * mmr sighs Feb 13 22:43:29 im sure having you without head pressed to computer screen would be good, now go before she hits you over head with frying pan Feb 13 22:43:37 owww Feb 13 22:43:45 gotcha over and out Feb 13 22:44:14 gnite, and tell her ill be round at about 11am tomorrow ;) Feb 13 22:44:19 pH5|N810: I think my following the code from init_module put me off when it started jumping all round the place Feb 13 22:45:01 pH5|N810: But there are certainly functions which seem to be reasonably cleanly implemented (i.e. the compiler hasn't done wierd things to them) :) Feb 13 22:48:41 lardman: ok. do you see where from the function that calls Dev...MBX Feb 13 22:48:47 have you got a disassembly of it now Feb 13 22:49:42 uh, damn n810 keyboard Feb 13 22:52:33 you mean which function calls it? Feb 13 22:52:34 I mean do you know where the registering function is called from? Feb 13 22:53:00 it's calles DevMBXRegister or similar Feb 13 22:53:02 yes. Feb 13 22:53:24 err, theres a thread on ITT about a2dp... i link to my mplayer somewheere around page 2 Feb 13 22:53:35 pH5|N810: I will have a look-see Feb 13 22:54:13 you prolly want to just read the whole thing Feb 13 22:54:48 ... is that a server split? :/ Feb 13 22:54:58 lardman: thanks. could you mail me your notes so I can fill in some blanks then? I'll do the same tomorrow when I get to them. Feb 13 22:55:00 pH5|N810: DevInitMBX or MBXRegisterDevice? Feb 13 22:55:03 I'll happily take whatever you have ;) Feb 13 22:55:24 I still lack good disassembling tools that automate the symbol and string table lookup properly... Feb 13 22:55:33 rm_you: i saw was reading the log, and saw your idea for a planet-generating desktop applet, matching the LCARS default background. i had to log in to answer to your question, "how ridiculously awesome would that be"... that would be *very* ridiculously awesome. glad you like LCARS :) Feb 13 22:55:55 splitfest? Feb 13 22:56:07 Well MBXRegisterDevice calls MBXIsr then DevInitMBX and then optionally DevDeInitMBX and then GetDevSysPhyBaseMBX Feb 13 22:58:30 really? to me it looks like it just registers the function pointers in some structure (struct device?) Feb 13 22:59:15 and I couldn't find where MBXRegisterdevice is called from. Feb 13 22:59:39 ah indeed, my misread of my note Feb 13 22:59:41 synth_ian: lol yes Feb 13 22:59:45 saves addresses of the functions Feb 13 23:00:24 i was already working on the perlin noise stuff for an mmo project... and it should be feasible. Feb 13 23:00:52 synth_ian: did you see the demo i want to replicate? :P Feb 13 23:01:02 yeah, i did :D Feb 13 23:01:23 pH5|N810: the MBXRegisterDevice fp is set in SysInitialise Feb 13 23:01:27 ah init_module calls sysinitialise (name?) which then eventually calls MBXRegisterDevice Feb 13 23:01:53 ok, I'll look at this again tomorrow. Although I don't quite like how this distracts me from playing with the DSP. Feb 13 23:02:02 :) Feb 13 23:02:04 jott: cool, thanks. Feb 13 23:02:23 synth_ian: i'll keep you posted. Feb 13 23:02:36 pH5|N810: Did you see my post about framebuffer access, though you're on an n810 atm so not really applicable Feb 13 23:02:59 I must work out how to do framebuffer access from the n8x0 at some point Feb 13 23:03:46 yes I saw. is there a function in the dsp kernel to map memory ranges? Feb 13 23:03:48 lardman, cat foo.jpg > /dev/fb0 doesn't work? :D Feb 13 23:04:06 johnx: from the dsp not direct fb access ;) Feb 13 23:04:10 johnx: harder opn the dsp ;) Feb 13 23:04:18 aaah... :) Feb 13 23:04:38 I haven't really understood how the dsp accesses extmem at all. does it have its own mmu? Feb 13 23:04:53 pH5|N810: you have to use a linker command file, which the dsp_dld arm-side binary uses to setup the memory mapping Feb 13 23:05:37 pH5|N810: I thought they shared one, but I may be wrong Feb 13 23:05:49 "may well be wrong" even :) Feb 13 23:06:12 hmm ok the MBXRegisterDevice fp is stored in gpsSysData as it seems Feb 13 23:06:35 hmm Feb 13 23:07:57 how big is the framebuffer inside the 2420, or does it hold a buffer on system memory? Feb 13 23:08:21 buffer in system memory which is flushed to the device afaiu Feb 13 23:08:25 does anybody know what offset 0x300 to OMAP2_CM_BASE is on omap2430? I keep getting tangled in the interdependent include files of the kernel Feb 13 23:10:10 so, best scenario you are gonna have to malloc an area, assign it to the powervr, throw some triangles in. blit the first area onto omapfb memory and then tell the lcd to go? Feb 13 23:10:31 <|tbb|> rm_you have you tried youtube tablet-viewer? Feb 13 23:10:40 lcuk_3: pretty much Feb 13 23:10:42 i thought it was an internal to 2420 buffer. actual memory onchip. that way we flush from 2420 to our frame device Feb 13 23:11:34 (that being a reasonable reason why it can only run 640*480 Feb 13 23:11:49 powervr has internal memory, but we presumably map some memory from that to sdram, we'd then need to blit that to the framebuffer in sdram, and that is flushed to the lcd controller Feb 13 23:12:20 the size limitation is due to the bandwidth of the sdram->lcd controller link Feb 13 23:12:42 well if we were just mapping the memory from cpu to main memory, why couldnt we just give it the mmapped address of the actual omapfb? Feb 13 23:12:54 save a whole layer of copying Feb 13 23:12:58 might work, I've no idea Feb 13 23:13:07 but its all trivial until we get deeper in.. Feb 13 23:13:19 im just looking at the omapfb at the momentwhich is why im askin.. Feb 13 23:13:48 ah ok, well yes that does sound reasonable Feb 13 23:16:29 good night Feb 13 23:16:35 night Feb 13 23:16:37 nite pH5|N810 Feb 13 23:21:17 lcuk_3: There's a function called HostUnmapFrmBufMemFromUserSpace Feb 13 23:22:19 :) Feb 13 23:22:55 how far through the exam are you? Feb 13 23:23:44 Just randomly browsing atm, I should go back to what I was doing - following from init_module; I was about 3 functions in Feb 13 23:24:26 trying to turn asm into intelligible structure is interesting Feb 13 23:24:40 i keep trying the same with the omapfb Feb 13 23:25:10 tho im doing it from c.. Feb 13 23:25:30 its a good way for me to get to know the system Feb 13 23:25:41 i might try asm soon Feb 13 23:25:57 hmm, I wouldn't bother unless you have to Feb 13 23:26:07 :) Feb 13 23:26:21 i do :) i want single bitplane turbo graphics Feb 13 23:26:43 ah, well speed optimisation is one of those "have to" moments Feb 13 23:26:44 why send 16 bits per pixel when 1 will do Feb 13 23:27:25 have you looked at ssvb's mplayer code? He changes the fb format there Feb 13 23:27:43 yes - hes gone through a few ins and outs with it all Feb 13 23:27:58 ive got various snippets and notes and other stuff Feb 13 23:28:19 mmm 1bit graphics...super fast fullscreen gameboy emulation :D Feb 13 23:28:22 im just getting the memory layouts for the required structs sorted without becoming a kernel mod Feb 13 23:28:30 :D Feb 13 23:28:46 john, gameboy was just another 2bit handheld... Feb 13 23:28:53 bed time for mee too, see you chaps tomorrow Feb 13 23:29:13 what's the max sd card for the n800? can i put two 16gb sdhc cards into it? Feb 13 23:29:13 ah, well you could still simulate 2bit with dithering Feb 13 23:29:42 lol - 2bit is another option Feb 13 23:29:58 thats still 8x less data travelling over the memory->LCD link Feb 13 23:30:10 ryoohki, yes. or two 32GB SDHC cards when they come out. Feb 13 23:30:56 sdl 8bit games would also get a nice boost when directly using an lcd format :) Feb 13 23:31:14 You know what would be fun? Feb 13 23:31:18 Cave Story Feb 13 23:31:22 progress = being able to do 8-bit graphics again ... heh Feb 13 23:31:39 johnx: hehe indeed ;) Feb 13 23:32:02 if lower colors are required to get speed then whats the problem? Feb 13 23:32:13 I remember getting my first 16MB graphics card and thinking "I'll *never* have to trade resolution and speed for color depth *ever* again!" Feb 13 23:32:23 :D Feb 13 23:32:26 no problem, but still funny when you remember the old times ;) Feb 13 23:33:04 i wrote a dithering function for character blocks on the spectrum. i remember thinking i could make any color i wanted Feb 13 23:33:43 lots of desktop/laptop LCDs still do dithering... Feb 13 23:34:00 this one does doesnt it Feb 13 23:49:36 anyone know what causes the flasher program to exit with the following when updating to os2008 on a n800: Version of 'sw-release': Feb 13 23:50:20 What are you running? Feb 13 23:50:37 chong@legolas:~/Desktop$ uname -a Feb 13 23:50:37 Linux legolas 2.6.22-14-generic #1 SMP Tue Dec 18 08:02:57 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux Feb 13 23:50:40 ubuntu gutsy Feb 13 23:51:16 i've tried the applicable troubleshooting listed on the wiki Feb 13 23:51:31 What flasher command are you running? Feb 13 23:51:36 mounting usbfs, patching the flasher etc... Feb 13 23:51:48 GeneralAntilles, i'm following the instructions here: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_flashlatestnokiaimagewithlinux/ Feb 13 23:51:53 for the N800 Feb 13 23:52:12 You make sure you included -F ? Feb 13 23:52:27 johnx: how come people talk about needing special software to access sdhc on the n800? Feb 13 23:52:39 i copied and pasted the command so that doesn't include -F only -f Feb 13 23:52:52 ryoohki, who? Feb 13 23:53:17 ./flasher-2.0 -F -f -R Feb 13 23:53:21 run that. Feb 13 23:53:26 ryoohki, you just need the latest OS2007 or any OS2008 Feb 13 23:53:31 well, 3.0 Feb 13 23:54:14 GeneralAntilles, that's doing the trick Feb 13 23:54:21 You forgot -F Feb 13 23:54:23 yup Feb 13 23:54:25 thanks Feb 13 23:54:28 Which points to the FIASCO image. ;) Feb 13 23:56:57 now to see if os2008 crashes my phone during pairing :x Feb 13 23:57:41 <_< crappy phone. Feb 13 23:59:17 worked this time Feb 13 23:59:31 phone really doesnt like using bt and wifi at the same time though Feb 14 00:00:11 hm does anyone actually know of a plug/adapter that fits onto the n810 serial port? Feb 14 00:00:22 bt and wifi is really draining Feb 14 00:00:32 s/is/are/ Feb 14 00:00:32 Navi meant: bt and wifi are really draining Feb 14 00:01:10 Navi, they also run in the same part of the spectrum Feb 14 00:01:28 i can't use my bt headset when my phone is connected to an access point Feb 14 00:03:27 jott, gotta build one. Feb 14 00:03:47 <|tbb|> night all Feb 14 00:04:10 GeneralAntilles: i have two 16gb sdhc cards for my n800 os2008 and was unsure if they would work. johnx said they would work: "15:30 < johnx> ryoohki, yes. or two 32GB SDHC cards when they come out." Feb 14 00:04:30 or two 64GB card Feb 14 00:04:32 or 128GB Feb 14 00:04:35 or 256GB :D Feb 14 00:05:30 The SDHC standard maxes out at 32GB. Feb 14 00:05:34 johnx: so if i flash with the latest os2008( not sure what the version number is) then sdhc will work and there should be no unpleasant surprises Feb 14 00:05:44 SDHC maxes at 2048GB Feb 14 00:06:37 ryoohki, that's correct. if you're really worried about it poke at internettablettalk.com/forums and look at what cards people are using Feb 14 00:06:44 ryoohki, SDHC has been in OS2007 for a while. Feb 14 00:08:03 I swear I remember reading 32, but Wikipedia now agrees with you. Feb 14 00:10:18 It would have been pretty ridiculous of them to break backwards compatibility with SD and not have it fixed for at least a few years... Feb 14 00:19:57 haha, someone edited the wiki to agree with him Feb 14 00:20:02 it's a conspiracy >:3 Feb 14 00:28:15 Be nice if somebody could actually cite it either way Feb 14 00:28:28 but it would be incredibly stupid of them to have only moved the bar up to 32GB Feb 14 00:30:32 * johnx googles Feb 14 00:31:48 google says 32 Feb 14 00:32:09 32 is still quite a ways up from 2 and barely working 4 Feb 14 00:32:28 yeah, I see 32GB as well from sandisk and kingston Feb 14 00:32:33 32gb released Feb 14 00:32:41 But that's not indicating the limit of the spec. Feb 14 00:32:54 I was reading from here http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content/Secure-Digital-High-Capacity-(SDHC)-Explained.htm Feb 14 00:32:54 GeneralAntilles, I'm reading their "specifications" PDFs Feb 14 00:33:17 I wonder if they're just planning to switch filesystems for the 64GB cards or the whole electrical interface O_o Feb 14 00:33:30 the current version of the specification is 32 max Feb 14 00:35:13 wow...well that was fantasically short sighted Feb 14 00:35:19 * johnx shakes head Feb 14 00:36:55 Is it just a filesystem issue? Feb 14 00:37:07 hey if the consortium made up something that would last too long the consortium would loose its purpose ... it's just to secure the own job ;) Feb 14 00:37:09 hello. everybody Feb 14 00:37:15 FAT32 supports up to 2048GB I thought... Feb 14 00:38:22 They get monies for spec revisions Feb 14 00:38:47 with the n810 can read and create files .doc nd .xls?? Feb 14 00:39:00 With the appropriate software, yes Feb 14 00:39:41 cancerbero, gnumeric is out already (which can work with .xls files) and abiword (which can read .doc) is in semi-closed beta Feb 14 00:40:05 Heh Feb 14 00:40:30 The more I look into the tablets Feb 14 00:40:47 the more I want to send a "fuck you" to the hildon interface Feb 14 00:40:56 GeneralAntilles, reading "Physical Layer Simplified Specificatio Ver2.00" it looks like they might actually need to make some kind of change to the physical spec to support more than 32GB cards ... but hopefully it will just be a driver thing Feb 14 00:41:09 Navi, what is it this time? :) Feb 14 00:41:41 I'm not a fan of it Feb 14 00:42:16 yeah...I really don't see why more people don't just rip off Palm whole-sale Feb 14 00:43:21 Palm sucks. <_< Feb 14 00:43:24 thanks Feb 14 00:43:37 GeneralAntilles, the interface is nice for lots of stuff Feb 14 00:43:48 For PIM, basically. Feb 14 00:43:55 did you ever own a Palm OS device? Feb 14 00:43:59 Heh Feb 14 00:44:02 wrong question. Feb 14 00:44:03 But doing anything remotely complex on Palm was always a pain for me. Feb 14 00:44:06 Yeah, 3. Feb 14 00:44:54 Huh Feb 14 00:44:57 like name one thing that was harder on palm and is actually easier in maemo? Feb 14 00:44:57 s|Huh Feb 14 00:45:00 damn it Feb 14 00:45:09 Thumbing around Feb 14 00:45:13 Web browsing. Feb 14 00:45:25 typing medium length emails Feb 14 00:45:28 Multitasking. :P Feb 14 00:45:39 Running programs Feb 14 00:45:53 Navi, the "tap the icon" bit was too hard? Feb 14 00:45:54 enjoying a high resolution display Feb 14 00:45:56 :) Feb 14 00:46:17 * jott pokes at 160x160 pixels :) Feb 14 00:46:33 right, all are pretty trivial problems...if someone just ripped off palm with the intention of fixing a couple little things the world would be a better place Feb 14 00:46:40 johnx, in different cases, my thumb was too big for different parts of the software interface Feb 14 00:46:52 If you're gonna rip off Feb 14 00:46:55 rip off Newton Feb 14 00:47:18 Beat up Martin Feb 14 00:47:25 GeneralAntilles: just run einstein :) Feb 14 00:47:29 s|Beat|eat| Feb 14 00:47:33 Blew Feb 14 00:47:48 "Eat up Martha" Feb 14 00:47:50 :3 Feb 14 00:47:59 eh? Feb 14 00:48:08 Simpsons dig at the Newton. Feb 14 00:48:11 That's what I think of when someone mentions the newton Feb 14 00:48:18 anyways, emulators are a "head in the sand" approach to things Feb 14 00:48:37 http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/resources/2007/06/iPhone%20Newton%20Screen.jpg Feb 14 00:48:40 "I'll just hide here while someone else works out the way forward" then you take your head out of the sand and see that things got worse... Feb 14 00:48:56 heh Feb 14 00:49:16 * johnx really did want to try the newton but never got a chance Feb 14 00:49:40 oh, GeneralAntilles it looks like the current physical layer spec for SDHC really does say 32GB for now O_o Feb 14 00:49:52 Weirdness. Feb 14 00:49:57 I'm pretty sure it's something that can be addressed by drivers though Feb 14 00:50:08 it'll be boosted when 32GB SDHC become standardized Feb 14 00:50:31 well they need to hurry the *(&$ up then Feb 14 00:50:35 then the corporations get to go, "Oh yay, the saps bought our expensive SD cards... let's make more even more expensive!" Feb 14 00:51:01 I assume it's so that people have to buy new cameras and mp3 players actually Feb 14 00:51:14 pfft Feb 14 00:51:27 Flash carts for the DS wasn't like that. Feb 14 00:51:40 SDHC support through firmware update Feb 14 00:52:02 right, for people who aren't trying to milk all the money out of you... Feb 14 00:52:35 I buy my crap from Nokia, I'm used to getting milked :3 Feb 14 00:54:19 if you grab the PDF here: http://www.sdcard.org/about/memory_card/pls and turn to page 98 you get to see that C_SIZE+1 * 512KB = memory capacity but the upper 6bits of C_SIZE are currently undefined so 32GB is the max Feb 14 00:54:30 neat, huh? Feb 14 00:55:00 johnx: then go and fix wikipedia ;) Feb 14 00:55:12 wikipedia cannot be fixed Feb 14 00:55:16 it's inherently flawed Feb 14 00:55:19 to me it reads as "we could support more *right now* but we decided not to." Feb 14 00:55:32 Navi, the world waits for your better alternative... Feb 14 00:55:44 SkyNet Feb 14 00:55:50 johnx: see me remark above ;p Feb 14 00:55:52 my Feb 14 00:55:54 and you read it right Feb 14 00:56:48 ls Feb 14 00:56:51 damn it Feb 14 00:57:37 ls: command not found. Go away! Feb 14 00:58:12 alias ls=sl Feb 14 00:58:27 Ha Feb 14 00:58:46 s/it/you/ Feb 14 00:58:47 Navi meant: damn you Feb 14 00:59:04 ahaha Feb 14 00:59:10 s/"s/it/you/"/whore/ Feb 14 00:59:26 aw, doesn't work Feb 14 01:00:15 * jott had to install sl again and see if it still works :) Feb 14 01:01:02 at least I haven't been using dir. Feb 14 01:01:15 * jott packages sl for os2008 ;) Feb 14 01:04:59 http://sse2.net/sl_3.03-15_armel.deb ;> Feb 14 01:05:19 installing java? Feb 14 01:05:33 ? Feb 14 01:05:38 jott, that was fast. Feb 14 01:05:43 ligerzero03, I'm not Feb 14 01:05:53 lol Feb 14 01:05:56 how do you? Feb 14 01:05:59 i am ;) Feb 14 01:06:25 ligerzero03, for development or to run a specific program? Feb 14 01:06:33 ligerzero03: https://wiki.evolvis.org/jalimo/index.php/Main_Page Feb 14 01:07:20 Navi: it's just a very trivial command line tool to annoy people who mistype ;) Feb 14 01:07:42 :P Feb 14 01:09:00 jott, you totally sidetracked me Feb 14 01:09:25 haha ;) Feb 14 01:09:56 my usb cable is giving out Feb 14 01:10:47 maybe it's just coiled too tightly and the data is falling off on the bends? :P Feb 14 01:11:00 lol Feb 14 01:11:07 nah it's just tired of the tight corners Feb 14 01:11:30 also: don't shake hard drives or all the data will fall off. Feb 14 01:11:32 or it always wanted to be a parallel cable and has it's coming out now ;) Feb 14 01:11:58 :P Feb 14 01:12:05 as geeks, it's important for us to spread misinformation about technology Feb 14 01:12:06 Haha Feb 14 01:12:13 Amen, johnx! Feb 14 01:12:23 Wouldn't want to be out of a job. Feb 14 01:12:30 luls Feb 14 01:12:30 do you really think car mechanics all tell the truth? Feb 14 01:12:57 you forget to format a drive you have to take your hard drive to the laundromat and put your hard drive in for dry cleaning. Feb 14 01:13:00 not about the geeky bits, sw upgrade is very serious business on a car ;) Feb 14 01:13:11 the problem is computers CAN be tough. now cars have computers even the mechanics are beginning to come to us Feb 14 01:13:15 WORLD DOMINATION Feb 14 01:13:35 I'm about to try to install OS2008 HE on my N770 with a 2GB Mobile MMC card and am wondering... Which is the _best_ guide on doing that now? I ran across a couple guides on the web but am not sure which is considered the best. Feb 14 01:13:50 lcuk_3, have you seen what an ECU looked like, circa 1982 or so? craziness! Feb 14 01:13:55 He's got OS2008HE! Feb 14 01:13:56 MOB HIM! Feb 14 01:14:05 egsavage, 2007HE I assume? Feb 14 01:14:09 oh, did I mistype? ;-) Feb 14 01:14:14 ;-) Feb 14 01:14:16 2007HE, sorry ;-) Feb 14 01:14:21 wish i had 2008 Feb 14 01:14:28 freudian slip Feb 14 01:14:34 it'd be pretty heavy on a 770 Feb 14 01:14:42 is it just a full recompile, or is it fixing the closed source bits as well? Feb 14 01:14:53 It's sexiness is overwhelming Feb 14 01:15:09 s/It's/Its Feb 14 01:15:13 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd3-eiid-Uw Feb 14 01:15:15 That creeps me out. Feb 14 01:15:21 Too used to not using the last forward slash Feb 14 01:15:37 so which guide is best for getting a dual boot going for a 2GB M-MMC card on a N770? Feb 14 01:15:38 johnx, not a specific model but its like the "driver board" on a printer. they are just black boxen to mechanics Feb 14 01:15:43 Oh yeah, I've seen that Feb 14 01:16:18 4:00 Feb 14 01:16:40 lcuk_3, well, they're embedded electronics. they're pretty much a blackbox to *anyone*...I think the only thing anyone cares about them for is what trouble codes they're emitting Feb 14 01:17:23 Well, or haxing for more HP. Feb 14 01:17:40 johnx: it's alot of reverse-engineering to do that ;) Feb 14 01:17:40 GeneralAntilles, that is an awesome video Feb 14 01:18:20 is this one considered current? http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_easily_boot_from_mmc_card/ Feb 14 01:18:30 johnx: the guy did alot of funny stuff Feb 14 01:19:02 http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~johnny/projects/ Feb 14 01:19:40 that guy is doing some really neat stuff Feb 14 01:19:51 the "Low-Cost Multi-point Interactive Whiteboards Using the Wiimote" is also nice Feb 14 01:20:23 There's so much untapped potential with the Wii. Feb 14 01:20:40 it's on my todo list on things to build ;) Feb 14 01:21:03 GeneralAntilles, and they're closer to easy-homebrew on the console itself as well :D Feb 14 01:21:23 hehe well all the stuff he did does not even need a wii ;) Feb 14 01:21:25 just a wiimote Feb 14 01:21:44 Well, sure, but the Wii made it cheap and easy to find. Feb 14 01:21:49 indeed Feb 14 01:22:14 Wish there were more gutsy game developers to take advantage of it. Feb 14 01:24:19 the wiimote was invented with one purpose. light sabre. now i have that, my gaming experience is complete Feb 14 01:25:03 Haha Feb 14 01:25:07 * lcuk_3 wears his jedi cloak when playing Feb 14 01:25:29 lcuk_3, did you ever get an opportunity to try one of those LED lightsabers? Feb 14 01:25:51 http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/warfare/69de/ Feb 14 01:25:54 yes ive got my proper luke skywalker one and ive got a wii light sword Feb 14 01:26:15 the lightsword though impears the signal to the wii Feb 14 01:26:19 it is defective :| Feb 14 01:26:19 My friends and I used to go downtown and duel with them in high school. Feb 14 01:26:42 i faught darth vader the other night at a great party Feb 14 01:27:00 It's too bad they're not very durable. Feb 14 01:27:17 http://www.play.com/Games/Wii/4-/3517983/Wii-Light-Sword/Product.html Feb 14 01:27:27 yer, the vader one broke... Feb 14 01:28:07 hehe what a crap ;) Feb 14 01:28:08 the most random thing about that night was the fact darth vader was also the barman for part of the evening Feb 14 01:28:11 I ended up taking mine apart to repair the LEDs about a half-dozen times. Feb 14 01:28:27 (the design flaw) Feb 14 01:28:55 you are not a true jedi until you can build (or fix) your own sabre Feb 14 01:29:58 GeneralAntilles, read the review on that play.com link i gave, thats the problem i had Feb 14 01:30:10 anyone know why nokia wants your product ID( wlan mac address) for the os2008 download? Feb 14 01:30:20 I was contemplating filling it with resin or something Feb 14 01:30:27 omg, i think I finally got webkit-gtk to build O_o Feb 14 01:30:29 but it would just mess up the balance. Feb 14 01:30:35 Send it here! Feb 14 01:30:43 johnx: congratulation :p Feb 14 01:30:48 GeneralAntilles, some libs compiled for zaurus? :P Feb 14 01:30:54 just put a proper sabre inside it Feb 14 01:31:13 * jott should svn up && make the webkit-gtk too Feb 14 01:31:31 Where's my EAL Webkit? Feb 14 01:31:44 GeneralAntilles, I have no real interested in EAL... Feb 14 01:31:52 as much as people knock autotools it worked pretty much out of the box when I switched from qmake to autotools Feb 14 01:32:34 johnx: well qmake for building webkit-gtk is not maintained anymore :) Feb 14 01:32:44 the qt build runs nice with qmake :> Feb 14 01:33:19 yeah, I was trying to not have to do too much work in OE, making a new .bb and all...but using autotools turned out to be less work Feb 14 01:33:35 Luls Feb 14 01:35:03 hehe yeah.. gtk should be removed from the qmake buildsystem all along to prevent confusion and strange errors Feb 14 01:35:26 have you guys read up about the new internet freedom preservation act yet? Feb 14 01:35:26 or switch everything to cmake ;> Feb 14 01:35:39 I read the /. summary Feb 14 01:35:45 Freedom sucks Feb 14 01:36:10 what is better than freedom? Feb 14 01:36:19 Slavery Feb 14 01:36:26 Navi, can I have a temporary feeling of security in return for my future freedom and privacy? Feb 14 01:36:42 that sounds like a good trade to me... Feb 14 01:36:48 i'm ok with slavery, i buy made in china all the time Feb 14 01:36:48 you forgot liberty Feb 14 01:36:57 johnx, yes, you can. Feb 14 01:37:03 woo! Feb 14 01:37:10 * Navi takes away johnx's freedom and privacy Feb 14 01:37:21 * Navi gives johnx a glock in return Feb 14 01:37:32 there is something unnerving with the fact that my local representative is "representative flake" Feb 14 01:38:12 Ew Glock. Feb 14 01:38:13 representative flake: never more than one standard deviation away from the average flake! Feb 14 01:38:21 Warzone 2100 any fun? Feb 14 01:38:29 Yes. Feb 14 01:38:40 I don't trust GeneralAntilles Feb 14 01:38:50 He's a general, after all. Feb 14 01:39:09 he could be a generalization Feb 14 01:39:43 Mine isn't a political position. Feb 14 01:40:17 still reason enough to cast doubt Feb 14 01:40:30 * GeneralAntilles throws doubt at Navi. Feb 14 01:40:43 * Navi catches doubt Feb 14 01:40:49 * Navi sneases Feb 14 01:40:59 * acydlord tries to cast doubt but doesnt have enough SP Feb 14 01:41:01 s/sneases/sneezes/ Feb 14 01:41:04 mmm...new android sdk Feb 14 01:41:08 cool Feb 14 01:41:40 johnx: with the new ui? Feb 14 01:41:49 looks like :) Feb 14 01:41:49 I wonder how Google's going to stick their ads on Feb 14 01:41:59 and finally the sources? ;) Feb 14 01:42:12 haven't looked yet but I think no sources for now Feb 14 01:42:23 haha just kidding "open" means "closed" where as "closed" means "patented" ;) Feb 14 01:42:45 closed open source Feb 14 01:42:56 s/closed open/patented closed/ Feb 14 01:42:57 Navi meant: patented closed source Feb 14 01:43:12 jott, they have committed to opening all (most?) under the apache license Feb 14 01:43:51 johnx: i know.. well we still have to see what the commitment is worth Feb 14 01:44:07 I'm willing to be we'll see all of the android source before we see all the maemo source Feb 14 01:44:26 ;) Feb 14 01:45:11 well quim made it clear that they have no intention of releasing anything.. Feb 14 01:45:15 Is never before never? Feb 14 01:45:24 *ever* ;) Feb 14 01:46:07 s/never/Duke Nukem Forever/g Feb 14 01:46:30 yeah...I'm still deciding on what to do in terms of Debian on the N800...whether to try and use the parts of hildon that are open or not bother at all and just do xfce or matchbox or something :/ Feb 14 01:46:48 s/never/duke nukem forever on the hud of my flying car/g Feb 14 01:47:00 lcuk_3, cannot find pattern Feb 14 01:47:08 well it would be more debian if all closed parts would be killed :) Feb 14 01:47:20 Ha Feb 14 01:47:31 I'd like the hildon keyboard Feb 14 01:47:38 that's the only part of it that I like Feb 14 01:48:02 Navi, that is pretty nice..I have mixed feelings about sapwood Feb 14 01:48:24 * jott pokes into the dsme blob Feb 14 01:48:40 * GeneralAntilles watches the blob poke back. Feb 14 01:48:56 * jott evades Feb 14 01:49:04 the rest should go the debian netinstall way Feb 14 01:49:05 jott, do you have a feeling for how much of the power management needs specific poking of dsme to work and how much just works automagically? Feb 14 01:50:00 hm i would guess one could get quite alot working without dsme Feb 14 01:50:16 you mean without it running at all? Feb 14 01:50:25 i hope so.. Feb 14 01:50:41 People are talking too much, I can't keep up with conversations Feb 14 01:50:56 well battery charging needs bme and for some reason I thought bme needed dsme Feb 14 01:51:00 maybe I misunderstood Feb 14 01:51:08 but not sure about this.. we should look into the dsme binary Feb 14 01:51:36 maybe it's just some kernel methods/ioctls Feb 14 01:51:42 if we try and kill off dsme I think we'll need to turn off watchdog-timeout-reboot Feb 14 01:52:10 someone on maemo devel list said that dsme wouldn't be that hard to replace Feb 14 01:52:11 yeah in the end the watchdog will only harm.. Feb 14 01:55:28 what I don't understand is if dsme causes dvfs stuff to take place or whether the kernel just handles it behind the scenes Feb 14 01:56:05 hmm atleast dsme has debug symbols in it Feb 14 01:56:13 oh, that's nice Feb 14 01:58:29 hm so everthing goes through the libstartup that in turn loads other modules?! Feb 14 02:04:50 hmm most of the modules look quite trivial Feb 14 02:06:26 they just seem to be some wrapper around sysfs ;) Feb 14 02:07:45 O_o Feb 14 02:07:55 well I know brightness has controls in sysfs Feb 14 02:08:18 if I can do this in a couple sh scripts I'll be grinning for days Feb 14 02:08:27 hehe Feb 14 02:09:06 libinactivity-blank.so seems to handle brightness Feb 14 02:09:24 there's a patch to bring dpms into xomap Feb 14 02:09:44 brightness is pretty much a solved problem I think Feb 14 02:10:19 more or less, yeah Feb 14 02:11:32 still the module also uses /dev/fb0 :> Feb 14 02:11:42 besides /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/panel/backlight_level Feb 14 02:13:38 well there's the rtc Feb 14 02:15:11 i suppose you can disable the lcd via /dev/fb0 ioctl stuff, right? Feb 14 02:15:44 (that should be easy to find out as the kernel parts are open ;-) Feb 14 02:15:55 and so is the x server (thank god!) O_o Feb 14 02:16:02 found the temp sensor in sys Feb 14 02:16:26 I think it just outputs Celsius with a couple extra digits tacked on Feb 14 02:16:53 maybe if we just ignore dsme it will go away :D Feb 14 02:17:21 johnx: for some little infos: strings /mnt/initfs/usr/lib/dsme/*.so Feb 14 02:17:43 (grep sys e.g. ;-) Feb 14 02:17:46 that's what I'm reading :D Feb 14 02:18:04 one term for reading strings, one for poking at sysfs Feb 14 02:20:09 * jott still wonders what the benefit of this whole dsme system is :P Feb 14 02:20:44 the cynic in me says obfuscation Feb 14 02:21:12 also, keeping binary, proprietary stuff out of the kernel Feb 14 02:21:44 yeah well in the end it's not *that* much proprietary stuff in there Feb 14 02:21:53 just some infrastructure and obfuscation ;) Feb 14 02:22:02 I'm still fuzzy on how bme interacts with the whole mess Feb 14 02:22:20 it definitely links to libdsme.so.0.1.0... Feb 14 02:22:33 libdsme is used for the socket communication Feb 14 02:22:43 that in turn is just the dsme Feb 14 02:22:49 that loads the libs in the initfs Feb 14 02:22:56 atleast thats what i guess Feb 14 02:27:38 * johnx reads past articles on mailing list Feb 14 02:28:05 people agree that bme seems to be the hard part...but don't really say how much stuff is in bme to begin with Feb 14 02:28:46 yeah hard to tell.. a quit objdump is not as easy to parse as the dsme stuff ;) Feb 14 02:28:56 s/quit/quick/ Feb 14 02:28:57 jott meant: yeah hard to tell.. a quick objdump is not as easy to parse as the dsme stuff ;) Feb 14 02:31:57 OT: I'm really surprised that the 770 hasn't spawned even one real alternative distro while each zaurus had maybe half a dozen in their day Feb 14 02:32:10 johnx, community size? Feb 14 02:32:21 I wonder if it's because Nokia's Maemo/ITOS was actually good enough or what... Feb 14 02:32:33 GeneralAntilles, hmm...maybe Feb 14 02:32:47 Or ITOS is actually OK, too. Feb 14 02:32:50 it's not size that matters :P Feb 14 02:33:00 maybe a device without a keyboard just doesn't draw the hardcore Linux crowds Feb 14 02:33:56 A bit of both sounds like a safe answer. Feb 14 02:35:32 itos is pretty nice for the most part Feb 14 02:36:02 Tak, it really is, for the most part Feb 14 02:36:21 anybody know how to keep the opera backend from re-rendering 10x before a page loads? Feb 14 02:36:40 Is there a setting for delay in the config file? Feb 14 02:37:50 I didn't see one - I'm trying to search ITT, but I'm on the tablet... Feb 14 02:40:18 Been a long time since I used Opera Feb 14 02:41:03 * Tak nods Feb 14 02:41:04 i hope we can get rid of firefox in the near future.. Feb 14 02:41:16 jott, me too O_o Feb 14 02:41:21 What Firefox? :P Feb 14 02:41:23 I remember seeing a hack ages ago Feb 14 02:41:27 gecko Feb 14 02:41:30 what ever ;) Feb 14 02:41:50 this bulky thing with the bulky slow browsers using it ;) Feb 14 02:41:51 epiphany-webkit works so well on the tablet in debian...google maps is actually *usable* Feb 14 02:42:36 on the pc side, ff3 is pretty snappy Feb 14 02:42:46 I suppose Feb 14 02:42:57 1.9 is an improvement on 1.8 Feb 14 02:43:11 if they would not use gtk i would might even use it on my desktop ;) Feb 14 02:43:12 johnx: what's all working in debian now? Feb 14 02:43:20 hardware-wise Feb 14 02:43:30 Tak, everything but sound output (which might be close) Feb 14 02:43:44 MicroB is 1.9 Feb 14 02:43:49 which is nice... Gecko's been getting slower since forever Feb 14 02:43:53 GeneralAntilles, I know Feb 14 02:44:03 and sometimes hardware buttons don't work until you restart the x server... Feb 14 02:44:05 that's killer - anybody using it on 770? Feb 14 02:44:19 Unfortunately, it doesn't match webkit in terms of size and speed Feb 14 02:44:47 Tak, debian? b0unc3 has at least tested it, but I haven't heard from anyone else :/ Feb 14 02:45:07 I'd actually like to get my hands on a 770 to test on, but I can't really justify the purchase right now Feb 14 02:45:16 I see - what about power management? Feb 14 02:45:30 well, actually jott and I are looking at that right now :P Feb 14 02:46:03 If I wanted an IT right _now_, I could get a 770 Feb 14 02:46:22 :( Feb 14 02:46:35 Ew gross Feb 14 02:46:38 Don't do it! Feb 14 02:46:57 But I must submit to peer pressure and listen to GeneralAntilles Feb 14 02:47:05 still looks like $100 on ebay :/ Feb 14 02:47:10 it is Feb 14 02:47:16 amazon too, I believe Feb 14 02:48:45 I like the 770's form overall Feb 14 02:48:55 sexy black over geeky silverish gray Feb 14 02:48:55 I agree Feb 14 02:49:26 Epic split Feb 14 02:51:23 odd. Feb 14 02:56:04 Navi, stop playing with the routers. Feb 14 02:56:22 Sorry. I'm done Feb 14 02:57:22 * Navi goes back to reading N800 reviews Feb 14 02:59:33 New internet meme: "So the N800..." Feb 14 02:59:37 http://youtube.com/watch?v=bIllSv0TIQo Feb 14 02:59:41 yeah i'm going to need one of each eventually :/ Feb 14 02:59:56 this bme binary is really ugly :/ **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Feb 14 02:59:57 2008