**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Feb 14 02:59:57 2008 Feb 14 03:01:14 j0tt, I imagine so Feb 14 03:09:56 johnx: whats the stuff called... with the rice... and the mix thing... and the green tea... Feb 14 03:09:59 ochazuke Feb 14 03:10:00 nm Feb 14 03:10:04 yes Feb 14 03:10:06 lol Feb 14 03:10:06 how big of a memory card would I need to test debian on my 770? Feb 14 03:10:09 it finally came to me Feb 14 03:10:20 1GB if you use my tarball Feb 14 03:10:24 hmf Feb 14 03:10:31 a reasonable minimum would fit in 512MB Feb 14 03:10:49 since I'm probably not going to buy an 810 soon I might as well get a bigger mem card for my 770 Feb 14 03:10:50 and maybe if I squished it quite a lot *something* would fit in 256MB... Feb 14 03:10:53 heh Feb 14 03:11:04 I only have the stock 64 meg card :P Feb 14 03:11:12 a 2 gig one is pretty cheap Feb 14 03:11:16 ah, I can't work miracles Feb 14 03:11:19 lol Feb 14 03:11:27 I don't expect you too Feb 14 03:11:46 got my appleTV delivered today ! Feb 14 03:11:51 haven't hooked it up yet Feb 14 03:11:58 also haven't started haxoring it up yet Feb 14 03:14:40 I'm fixing to "./flasher-3.0 -F -f -R"... What the latest OS2008 on http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N800.php?f=??????.bin ? Feb 14 03:15:04 Why does nokia want to know your wlan mac address? Feb 14 03:15:23 So they can tell if you have a device? Feb 14 03:15:25 to make sure you have a real nokia tablet and are not just downloading the update Feb 14 03:15:37 also to report you to the NSA Feb 14 03:15:48 so what's the url for the latest os2008? Feb 14 03:16:00 so they can track your every move through thier covert system of wifi access points Feb 14 03:16:08 tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N800.php Feb 14 03:16:11 just go to tablets-dev.nokia.com and look up the one that says "latest" Feb 14 03:16:40 johnx: AIM me a link to the tarball so i can put it on my flash later Feb 14 03:16:47 or a link to the thread or something Feb 14 03:17:01 rm_you, http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Debian Feb 14 03:17:10 RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin ? Feb 14 03:17:26 I have my brothers WSODed 770 Feb 14 03:17:27 ryoohki, yes Feb 14 03:18:26 Proteous, aaah...that will be tough Feb 14 03:19:03 if you try debian I'll give you a hack to get usb networking up early in the boot process Feb 14 03:19:13 well, I have one that works Feb 14 03:19:21 I also have my brothers that doesn't Feb 14 03:19:27 well, why make it easy? :P Feb 14 03:19:30 that's like cheating Feb 14 03:19:31 lol Feb 14 03:19:34 so true Feb 14 03:19:47 with debian on there who needs a screen? Feb 14 03:20:01 just need usb networking and ssh Feb 14 03:20:09 put apache on there or something... Feb 14 03:20:12 yeah, it will make a nice little portable web server once you bring up wireless Feb 14 03:21:03 I can have it beep out morse code of output, and use morse code tap on the screen for input Feb 14 03:21:09 s/of/for/ Feb 14 03:21:09 Proteous meant: I can have it beep out morse code for output, and use morse code tap on the screen for input Feb 14 03:21:27 that would make IRC fun Feb 14 03:21:45 just use text to speech Feb 14 03:21:54 heh Feb 14 03:22:02 there's no mic Feb 14 03:22:15 I could use a bluetooth headset I guess Feb 14 03:22:27 I thought there was a mic? Feb 14 03:22:44 is there? Feb 14 03:23:01 ghmm Feb 14 03:23:07 google says maybe yes Feb 14 03:23:17 linuxdevices says yes :) Feb 14 03:24:06 There's a mic on every NIT ever produced. Feb 14 03:24:16 it also says it has stereo speakers... Feb 14 03:24:18 Don't mistake the 770's for a reset port, please. Feb 14 03:24:31 On 3.5mm it does, Proteous. ;) Feb 14 03:24:35 maybe they ment stereo speaker Feb 14 03:24:39 hehe Feb 14 03:24:53 it has a stereo headphone output Feb 14 03:24:55 but only one speaker Feb 14 03:25:44 The N800's stereo separation is really awesome when you put your nose to the screen. Feb 14 03:25:50 heh Feb 14 03:26:30 I did think the mic hole was a reset button Feb 14 03:26:31 i love the n800's speakers, they are so loud Feb 14 03:26:40 although I never tried to press it :P Feb 14 03:29:46 GeneralAntilles: plus that's a great way to type on the fullscreen kb Feb 14 03:30:00 how long does flashing take for the n800? Feb 14 03:30:04 Gets greasy fast. <_> Feb 14 03:30:15 30 seconds? Feb 14 03:34:14 well, wash your nose! Feb 14 03:34:30 woo! midori on zaurus is *usable* as a web browser Feb 14 03:35:11 and it only takes ~40MB while running Feb 14 03:37:23 usable? Feb 14 03:37:30 pretty much Feb 14 03:37:38 compared to unusable? Feb 14 03:37:42 :3 Feb 14 03:37:53 yes Feb 14 03:37:58 Does anyone know if the level element is in gstreamer maemo? I can't find it. It's usually in plugins-good Feb 14 03:38:09 compared to basically any other browser on the zaurus, it works better Feb 14 03:38:15 hehe Feb 14 03:38:36 Navi, you have no idea... *shakes head* Feb 14 03:38:44 of course not Feb 14 03:39:53 Nokia has actually accomplished quite a bit in getting *good* web browsing on the NITs... Feb 14 03:43:21 johnx: run this on your z ;) http://www.abrahamjoffe.com.au/ben/canvascape/ Feb 14 03:43:56 http://www.abrahamjoffe.com.au/ben/canvascape/textures.htm or better the texture version :) Feb 14 03:47:37 ha! Feb 14 03:47:39 yeah right Feb 14 03:48:17 google maps is painfully slow Feb 14 03:48:24 like 1 frame every 5 seconds Feb 14 03:48:34 so no playable canvas shooter?! :/ Feb 14 03:49:01 I'll try it if you really want Feb 14 03:49:06 it will probably render... Feb 14 03:49:17 hehe well yeah as there is no fps display its not worth it i guess ;) Feb 14 03:49:43 but maybe it well be blazing fast :> Feb 14 03:50:00 I think there's something holding up screen refreshes Feb 14 03:50:16 epiphany-webkit seemed to be faster in debian/zaurus actually than midori on angstrom/zaurus Feb 14 03:50:46 svn webkit? Feb 14 03:50:57 I will need to check on that actually Feb 14 03:51:48 my dependencies might have gotten screwed up and I *might* have an old webkit installed while I built with a new one Feb 14 03:52:02 my gut feeling is that it might be a midori thing vs epiphany... Feb 14 03:52:32 still the rendering speed is reasonable, just the refresh isn't that fast Feb 14 03:52:51 engadget is my usual test for "big bloated site" and midori has no problem with it Feb 14 03:56:32 tried it, maybe up to 2fps if I do only small movements Feb 14 03:56:51 anyways, have to go to work, will be back later tonight, maybe Feb 14 03:57:12 * johnx wanders away Feb 14 04:06:33 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9FOVJP81ew Feb 14 04:06:35 o_o Feb 14 04:09:19 Win. Feb 14 04:10:27 very much so Feb 14 04:21:49 rofl Feb 14 04:21:53 that's awesome Feb 14 04:22:01 in the way that i want to go kill some people Feb 14 04:54:59 hello Feb 14 04:55:36 Does anyone know if I can capture the HOME key and prevent it from doing anything while my program is running? Feb 14 04:55:47 probably not Feb 14 04:55:52 but I"m not sure Feb 14 04:56:05 It seems to be the only button that I can't stop Feb 14 04:56:05 I also don't seem to lift of the shift key fast enough Feb 14 04:57:36 was thinking about upgrading to OS2008 on n800 ... has anyone had problems with reverting back to 2007 ? Feb 14 04:57:37 so it seems Feb 14 04:58:26 You can swap back and forth without trouble. Feb 14 05:01:18 Anyone in here own an n810? Feb 14 05:01:47 yup Feb 14 05:02:27 can you tell me which SD card I should get (micro or mini)? I really don't want a card that is sticking halfway out Feb 14 05:03:17 Either or Feb 14 05:03:21 It's a minisd slot Feb 14 05:03:28 but micro cards work fine with an adaptor. Feb 14 05:03:35 micro < mini Feb 14 05:03:39 so either will not be sticking out of the device? Feb 14 05:03:45 yes Feb 14 05:03:57 well, the micro will have to go in a mini sized adaptor Feb 14 05:04:03 It's minisd slot, why would a minisd card stick out? Feb 14 05:04:25 great... are you glad you bought the device? I'm on the verge of buying one Feb 14 05:04:26 because it put on a few pounds Feb 14 05:04:35 hehe Feb 14 05:05:26 i like my n810 Feb 14 05:05:59 who can afford such excess Feb 14 05:06:05 since I can use either micro or mini does one have an advantage over the other? Feb 14 05:06:12 but... honestly... if it hadnt been for the developer discount i problably would have stuck with my n800 for another year Feb 14 05:06:31 micro can fit in most newer cell phones Feb 14 05:06:32 wierdly, it seems like the larger capacity cards are micro Feb 14 05:07:13 MiniSD doesn't really have much of a purpose. Feb 14 05:07:14 how much was the developer discount? Feb 14 05:07:15 micros work the best for multiple devices Feb 14 05:07:15 i wish it had full sizesd Feb 14 05:07:23 cause i've seen sd cards up to 32gb Feb 14 05:07:23 there's always adapters Feb 14 05:07:41 Sd to micro adaptors? Feb 14 05:07:41 developer discount knocked it down to $160USD after everything Feb 14 05:07:42 heh Feb 14 05:07:45 damn Feb 14 05:07:49 that's quite a discount Feb 14 05:07:54 indeed Feb 14 05:07:56 micro -> normal Feb 14 05:07:56 wow, where can I get that discount!? hehe Feb 14 05:08:15 kaje, if you have access to a time machine, september would be a start :p Feb 14 05:08:37 hehe Feb 14 05:08:48 thanks a bunch for all the help guys Feb 14 05:09:00 geekbrief.tv has a discount code somewhere for it too Feb 14 06:05:44 doesn't the n800 only have 128mb ram .. upgraded to OS2008 .. and it reads 251.5MB "device memory" ? Feb 14 06:08:55 Swappage? Feb 14 06:10:39 Flash. . . . Feb 14 06:10:56 Oh, device memory :o Feb 14 06:17:44 ever since i made my n810 boot from SD, application manager will sometimes fail to install/update a package with an odd error message: Feb 14 06:17:48 dpkg-deb (subprocess): error in buffer_read(stream): failed to write to pipe in copy: Input/output error Feb 14 06:18:05 ever see that before? Feb 14 06:18:22 it doesn't say what path it is failing to write to, etc Feb 14 06:18:32 and i've ruled out filesystem corruption Feb 14 06:21:28 any ideas? Feb 14 06:27:22 ah i think i figured it out, it's trying to use a named pipe on a vfat fs Feb 14 06:27:59 and we all know that the only named pipe microsoft is familiar with is Crackpipe Feb 14 06:28:57 lol Feb 14 06:30:47 now i just need to figure out why application manager insists on using /media/mmc1 Feb 14 06:31:06 any idea how i can change that setting? Feb 14 06:35:48 yup, that fixed it! Feb 14 06:36:38 there's an option in prefs for app manager (only accessible in red pill mode) that says to download packages to mmc. i turned that off and now my problem is gone. Feb 14 06:36:59 though no one here helped me, i thank you, #maemo Feb 14 06:37:05 goodnight! Feb 14 07:20:45 lol Feb 14 07:20:46 damn Feb 14 07:20:58 no LCARS iconset till tomorrow :( Feb 14 07:21:08 boohoo !! Feb 14 07:22:28 yay, the world is safe for one morre day Feb 14 07:22:31 lol Feb 14 07:23:01 i'll do it tomorrow, really :P Feb 14 07:23:04 Ha Feb 14 07:23:08 You get the code figured out? Feb 14 07:23:12 eh Feb 14 07:23:24 didn't really have time Feb 14 07:23:55 had some womenfolk over <_< Feb 14 07:24:06 Good enough excuse. :P Feb 14 07:24:17 well, one. anyways, hard to code in that environment :P Feb 14 07:25:05 lcars is back? Feb 14 07:25:47 and better than ever. Feb 14 07:25:57 http://synthesize.us/LCARS_PADD Feb 14 07:26:33 noice Feb 14 07:27:29 bbl, i have an appointment with my pillow for the next 7 hours Feb 14 07:28:10 internet is broken :( Feb 14 07:28:40 inz: have any problems with foreign connections? Feb 14 07:29:13 <|tbb|> morning all Feb 14 07:29:36 morning Feb 14 07:29:46 solmumaha, at least google works here a-ok Feb 14 07:29:59 k Feb 14 07:30:10 i can't access anything outside finland atm Feb 14 07:30:25 solmumaha, no idea what operator i am using though, just that the wlan is called "default" ;) Feb 14 07:30:36 i bet it's not sonera Feb 14 07:32:01 no traceroute on the device Feb 14 07:33:32 solmu, seems to be elisa Feb 14 07:34:37 k, prolly just the storm then Feb 14 08:21:37 solmu, http://www.sonera.fi/Asiakastuki/H%E4iri%F6tiedotteet/Datayhteydet+ulkomaille+eiv%E4t+toimi+140208 Feb 14 08:25:03 morning Feb 14 08:29:14 <|tbb|> morning Feb 14 08:30:06 good morning Feb 14 08:52:47 hi Feb 14 08:55:26 shirt. Feb 14 08:55:45 anyone using pidgin with IRC proxy? Feb 14 08:56:17 how to avoid parting the channel when pidgin is closed? Feb 14 08:59:53 oilinki: how would you remain connected to IRC if you quit your IRC client? Feb 14 09:00:18 wwp: with irc-proxy (using miau currently). Feb 14 09:00:18 if you use a proxy to bounce your IRC connection, it's up to the proxy to keep you alive Feb 14 09:00:34 tried killing pidgin instead of quitting? ;) Feb 14 09:00:36 eg. the proxy is keeping it up Feb 14 09:00:45 wwp: heh. I suppose I need to do that :) Feb 14 09:00:51 eheh maybe Feb 14 09:01:15 not sure, if the proxy doesn't keep you alive, the IRC server will shoot your nick after a timeout Feb 14 09:01:22 but anyway. with xchat, ircII etc. this works fine. Feb 14 09:02:03 but when pidgin is closed the app sends /part or /leave message to the channels.. and all my other clients get kicked out as well Feb 14 09:02:05 dogs-- Feb 14 09:02:16 fucker just chewed one of my styluses Feb 14 09:02:46 doc|home: well, you'll know where to put the spare ;) Feb 14 09:03:03 oilinki: yeah, good thing I put it aside :( know where I can get spares? Feb 14 09:03:17 Is there any web-camera apps f/maemo? Feb 14 09:03:30 Tobotras: garage.maemo.org has at least one Feb 14 09:03:46 doc|home: sorry, don't know. nokiashop maybe? Feb 14 09:04:22 thanks, will look Feb 14 09:14:48 doc|home: any hints on name? :) Feb 14 09:15:26 doc|home: ok, found it, thanks Feb 14 09:23:21 Hi Feb 14 09:23:58 hi Feb 14 09:27:29 gah!!! xchat is flashing but its gone from scrollback Feb 14 09:27:32 (hates that) Feb 14 09:27:40 Morning, all Feb 14 09:27:50 lcuk_3: check the log on the web? Feb 14 09:28:31 mornin jaff, i would do if it was important, and quicker i could check my local disk log but its like a needle in a haystack without local highlighting Feb 14 09:29:12 * lcuk_3 takes a philosophical view and thinks ppl will call back if its important ;) Feb 14 09:52:28 <|tbb|> my sylog of desktop pc says -> kernel: [10216.501687] usb0: no IPv6 routers present Feb 14 09:52:38 <|tbb|> what could i do to fix that Feb 14 09:55:55 bon dia / good morning Feb 14 09:58:09 buenos dias AD-N770 Feb 14 09:59:40 |tbb|: disable ipv6 Feb 14 10:04:24 anyone tried to install build depencies for osso-rss-feed-reader in scratchbox? Feb 14 10:04:54 cant find osso-rss-feed-reader-l10n-mr0 in the reposittories Feb 14 10:10:50 <|tbb|> solmumaha: could u tell me how? Feb 14 10:16:08 |tbb|: blacklist ipv6 module? Feb 14 10:16:28 morning all Feb 14 10:16:40 is it just me...or can it be that GPS pathc drains your battery ?!?! Feb 14 10:16:42 patch Feb 14 10:16:46 I think I will have to reflash Feb 14 10:18:04 it probably drains your battery because now you're actually using the gps ;) Feb 14 10:18:45 no more like it never switches off..hence its faster but also drains the battery Feb 14 10:18:57 which sucks if the N810 only lasts a day Feb 14 10:18:58 haha Feb 14 10:19:02 priorities! Feb 14 10:19:08 gps is no priority Feb 14 10:19:27 besides...around this neck of the woods I cant get a lock Feb 14 10:19:40 so its pointless Feb 14 10:21:26 hmm googling didn't help me knowing if a libxlst is really available for chinook. anyone has a hint? Feb 14 10:22:49 <|tbb|> solmumaha: sorry got no clue havent activate it by myself Feb 14 10:26:15 what distribution? Feb 14 10:26:22 <|tbb|> ubuntu gutsy Feb 14 10:26:33 echo "blacklist ipv6" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist Feb 14 10:27:39 thats one thing I would like to see in the N810 Feb 14 10:27:43 ipv6! Feb 14 10:27:56 so I can tunnel ipv6 over openvpn Feb 14 10:34:02 where can i find the osso-rss-feed-reader-l10n-mr0 package and all depencies? Feb 14 10:34:28 well, I skimmed through the "what would you like in the N900" thread and it's amazing how people can be out of touch with reality Feb 14 10:36:11 michele_, I want a burger maker in it please Feb 14 10:36:23 and a microwave Feb 14 10:36:55 on a serious note.... Id like it to have bash instead of busyboxes ash Feb 14 10:36:57 after the new patents of nokia you will slide it in 5 directions an fold it like a folding ruler Feb 14 10:37:29 morning |tbb| Feb 14 10:38:31 LinuxCode: there is no real reason to have bash. the only people who'd want it can easily install it by themselves Feb 14 10:39:03 LinuxCode, do you know how slow bash is? Feb 14 10:40:00 jku, maybe... Feb 14 10:40:07 but its more usable Feb 14 10:40:09 imho Feb 14 10:40:27 even if it was optional Feb 14 10:40:31 that be nice Feb 14 10:40:35 let people chose Feb 14 10:40:42 I like choice Feb 14 10:40:54 there was a package for OS2007 IIRC Feb 14 10:41:46 LinuxCode: and you have choice Feb 14 10:41:59 choice to install bash from network or not to install Feb 14 10:42:12 from network ? Feb 14 10:42:28 feeds, repositories etc Feb 14 10:42:44 it onflicts with busybox Feb 14 10:42:50 no Feb 14 10:42:57 errm Feb 14 10:42:58 its busybox which conlicts with bash Feb 14 10:43:04 ok Feb 14 10:43:06 lol Feb 14 10:43:18 but that's a bug in busybox packaging, not a reason to change to bash Feb 14 10:43:22 still doesnt let you install it though Feb 14 10:43:31 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2896 Feb 14 10:43:51 LinuxCode: unless you are familiar with vi and packaging system Feb 14 10:43:58 jku, we arent talking about each others personal preferences here Feb 14 10:44:12 hrw, if it was rpm Id repackage it Feb 14 10:44:20 i had a quick look at deb Feb 14 10:44:35 would have to sit down and figure that out Feb 14 10:45:15 there are many things done in wrong way in maemo world Feb 14 10:45:54 hrw, tbh I think its done on purpose...so idiots dont brick their devices and then go crying to Nokia Feb 14 10:46:18 LinuxCode: its not so easy Feb 14 10:46:37 yeh.. Feb 14 10:46:38 hehe Feb 14 10:46:46 Angstr�m, OpenSlug, OpenZaurus, Familiar distros have/had it done more properly Feb 14 10:46:53 Debian has it done properly Feb 14 10:46:54 but you know what some people manage to do... Feb 14 10:46:58 maemo fscked it Feb 14 10:48:03 I must buy a sd micro card so I can smack some other distros on Feb 14 10:48:17 still eager to see how fedora works Feb 14 10:48:22 hehe Feb 14 10:49:02 but its good to see most major distros are now venturing into the mobile device sector Feb 14 10:49:14 fedora does not support arm Feb 14 10:49:26 not support...but develop Feb 14 10:49:46 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/ARM <------- Feb 14 10:49:49 want bash for os2008? Feb 14 10:50:09 its in the repo Feb 14 10:50:29 cant you force an install ? Feb 14 10:50:48 you can force installs with rpm Feb 14 10:50:57 or use a --nodeps option Feb 14 10:51:20 sure apt must have something like that Feb 14 10:51:22 surely Feb 14 10:51:32 dpkg has Feb 14 10:51:38 ahh yes Feb 14 10:51:41 dpkg sorry Feb 14 10:51:43 lol Feb 14 10:51:47 might try that then Feb 14 10:51:54 when I have a little time Feb 14 11:00:34 <_collin_> hr Feb 14 12:41:58 does anyone know if lynx is in any repository? Feb 14 12:59:28 Spakman, no lynx but there is links Feb 14 13:05:03 ugh - my build works if I do `make distclean; ./configure; make` but not if I do `dpkg-buildpackage -rsudo` Feb 14 13:06:26 <|tbb|> hey tak Feb 14 13:06:38 hello |tbb| Feb 14 13:20:33 johnx: thanks a lot. I found a .deb on garage. Feb 14 13:22:56 No wokring camera app for os2008 :( Feb 14 13:28:28 * pupnik tries to understand where the computer is in the n810 Feb 14 13:32:36 Tobotras: really? Feb 14 13:32:47 Tobotras: I have camera on n810 working Feb 14 13:33:26 hrw: using what? Feb 14 13:34:04 Tobotras: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/howto_camera_api_bora.html , - can possibly build something with that? i saw a camera app in repository though too? Feb 14 13:34:17 me too, nokia shipped some program in one of the repos Feb 14 13:34:20 Hello. Where can I an evince os 2008 unstable repo/package? Feb 14 13:35:09 Stskeeps: that's for os2007 Feb 14 13:35:15 Tobotras: works just fine on os2008 Feb 14 13:35:15 :P Feb 14 13:35:18 just tested it Feb 14 13:36:11 atleast the python version Feb 14 13:36:13 Stskeeps: oh! Feb 14 13:39:08 Tobotras: camera app Feb 14 13:39:41 http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com chinook/user Packages Feb 14 13:39:46 there is camera app Feb 14 13:41:48 Stskeeps, that document is available for 4.0 too, suggest using that (there could be changes) Feb 14 13:43:37 hrw: like others, cannot grab camera [after SIP client pops up] Feb 14 13:44:05 up to rebot Feb 14 13:44:08 Tobotras: from somewhere: . Disable video chat from loading on camera coming out "gconftool-2 --set --type bool '/system/osso/af/launch-on-camera' 'false'" Feb 14 13:44:09 reboot Feb 14 13:44:23 Stskeeps: that's it, thanks Feb 14 13:47:18 Anyone have any clue how to use the Norwegian keys on the N810 slide-out keyboard? They've put all of the scandinavian countries into one keyboard setting, and the keys "�" and "�" thus doesn't work Feb 14 13:48:16 Zero_Dogg: the hw keyboard mapping suxx Feb 14 13:48:27 Zero_Dogg: tried Chr+r for "�"? Feb 14 13:48:32 hrw: I've noticed :/ Feb 14 13:49:16 Zero_Dogg: you can need to press chr+r few times to get your r-thing Feb 14 13:49:53 hrw: ah, bah. Chr+the � button yields �. That's silly, because the char that appears when I just press the button is never ever used in Norwegian :/ Feb 14 13:50:17 Heh. Still camera works only once after boot, next invocation yields v4l2_next: VIDIOC_DQBUF: Input/output error Feb 14 13:50:33 Zero_Dogg: I would like to know how to edit that list so for my Polish keymap chr+o would give � in first place Feb 14 13:51:18 hrw: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/ukeyboard/ does it, so might be possible to just look at the source of that and modify it Feb 14 13:51:35 ukeyboard allow to use other keymaps then official ones Feb 14 13:53:34 but even if my keymap has '�' on Chr+c it will not give it at first press Feb 14 13:54:20 keyboard handling is not solved in maemo in good way Feb 14 13:59:18 <|tbb|> is maemo.org down? Feb 14 14:01:23 No. Feb 14 14:03:28 What is the issue with maemo.org any way? Is it actually running on an N800 or something? Feb 14 14:04:30 that's why they upped the clockspeed for the 800 in os2008, to improve performance of maemo.org Feb 14 14:05:06 lol Feb 14 14:09:38 <|tbb|> it cant be a n810 cause there is not enough storage possibility (only one sdcard slot :) Feb 14 14:09:45 why do I see 4 clients on my network with kismet :| Feb 14 14:10:06 only 1 tablet connected Feb 14 14:10:13 <|tbb|> your neighbors ;) Feb 14 14:10:20 i saw this morning there are 8gb microSDHC cards. so where are our 16gb minisdhc? :) Feb 14 14:10:37 * mwaldron is patiently awaiting a kismet package Feb 14 14:11:36 that crap is so expensive. Feb 14 14:11:45 nosd Feb 14 14:11:47 nosd Feb 14 14:11:51 nods dammit i typed nods Feb 14 14:12:00 32GB sdhc exists in SD format... Feb 14 14:12:00 going to be one of those days Feb 14 14:12:23 i picked up a 4gb minisdhc for $18. i can wait a bit for more storage Feb 14 14:12:31 I've always been able to fit my life within 10GB sans the music collection Feb 14 14:12:36 and the anime Feb 14 14:13:01 i do wish the 810 had a microsdhc for it's 'internal' memory, hiding under teh battery Feb 14 14:14:18 I'm pretty content Feb 14 14:14:25 ahh kismet is finding the MAC addresses of the LAN devices on the router - router broadcasting Routing info Feb 14 14:14:31 The 2GB internal memory is enough for me Feb 14 14:15:06 Of course, I don't have an N810, so what do I know? Feb 14 14:18:04 <|tbb|> pupnik_ your luck ;) Feb 14 14:18:34