**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Feb 21 02:59:57 2008
Feb 21 03:00:43 <_darc> add a lot?
Feb 21 03:01:16 <johnx> if you don't know what a repository is, then don't worry about it, because you didn't :)
Feb 21 03:01:26 <_darc> i know what they are
Feb 21 03:01:33 <_darc> i didnt understand your question
Feb 21 03:02:02 <johnx> did you add many repositories
Feb 21 03:02:05 <_darc> ahh
Feb 21 03:02:09 <_darc> a few yes
Feb 21 03:02:29 <johnx> sometimes there can be conflicts between different repositories
Feb 21 03:03:06 <_darc> oh...well i didnt know that =)
Feb 21 03:03:25 <johnx> "now you know! and knowledge is power!" :D
Feb 21 03:03:32 <_darc> lol
Feb 21 03:03:43 <_darc> im sure there is some deep explanation as to why
Feb 21 03:03:56 <_darc> i guess i dont see how that would have caused a problem
Feb 21 03:04:28 <johnx> well, basically two slightly different versions of a package can conflict with each other or be otherwise incompatible
Feb 21 03:04:36 <_darc> oh ok
Feb 21 03:04:40 <_darc> OHHH
Feb 21 03:04:54 <GeneralAntilles> Were you trying to upgrade Operating System in Red Pill?
Feb 21 03:04:58 <_darc> right i get it now. <---slow
Feb 21 03:05:04 <_darc> yes i was
Feb 21 03:05:14 <_darc> after everything else wouldnt work
Feb 21 03:05:24 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, bad plan.
Feb 21 03:05:35 <GeneralAntilles> Red Pill should be OFF 99% of the time.
Feb 21 03:05:44 <_darc> yea i turned it off
Feb 21 03:05:54 <_darc> after it wouldnt work there either, i was taking a shot in the dark
Feb 21 03:06:01 <johnx> sometimes the answer *isn't* to try and force things. :) red pill mode is like a big freaking sledge hammer
Feb 21 03:06:12 <_darc> lol
Feb 21 03:07:50 <_darc> ok ill avoid using that then
Feb 21 03:07:58 <Navi> heh
Feb 21 03:08:20 * johnx just thinks of everything with car analogies :)
Feb 21 03:08:26 <Navi> PPL TAT RECOMEND RED PIL IZ TEH WINDOWZ USERZ!!!!!!111ONEONEONEE
Feb 21 03:09:44 <johnx> I seriously wonder why they didn't follow the synaptic "workflow" a little more when they did application manager
Feb 21 03:09:54 <johnx> it really couldn't have been much harder...
Feb 21 03:10:15 <Navi> meh
Feb 21 03:10:43 <Navi> What bothers me is the ubuntized repo style.
Feb 21 03:10:59 <johnx> ubuntuized?
Feb 21 03:11:17 <Navi> Well, perhaps it's a bit more broad than just Ubuntu
Feb 21 03:11:40 <johnx> ah, a repository for every app?
Feb 21 03:11:45 <Navi> Yes
Feb 21 03:11:46 <GeneralAntilles> App Manager is open.
Feb 21 03:11:52 <GeneralAntilles> Somebody needs to man up and fix it.
Feb 21 03:11:56 <johnx> ahahah...ahaha
Feb 21 03:12:08 <j0tt> i would just delete it :p
Feb 21 03:12:13 <Navi> ^_^
Feb 21 03:12:14 <johnx> that pretty much seals it
Feb 21 03:12:16 * j0tt does not use the app manager anyway (or synaptic/.. on the desktop)
Feb 21 03:12:56 * Navi doesn't like APT's style either.
Feb 21 03:13:03 <johnx> j0tt, if they made app manager work better, lots of users wouldn't driven to the command line...
Feb 21 03:13:35 <j0tt> i would have to be driven away from the command line in the first place *g*
Feb 21 03:13:59 <johnx> obviously you're not using an onscreen keyboard
Feb 21 03:14:12 <Navi> It's bad enough on the keyboard.
Feb 21 03:14:18 * j0tt is a proud owner of a n810 :)
Feb 21 03:14:40 <Navi> Though, there are always aliases that I'm always too lazy to bother to set up
Feb 21 03:16:15 <j0tt> Navi: that's why tab was invented :)
Feb 21 03:17:07 <Navi> pfft
Feb 21 03:17:13 <Navi> you can only tab so many times
Feb 21 03:17:14 <j0tt> apt-g[tab] i[tab] packa[tab] ;)
Feb 21 03:17:17 <_darc> what is the swap button?
Feb 21 03:17:29 <Navi> it's faster to type out apt-get than it is to apt-g<tab>
Feb 21 03:17:45 * j0tt counts the keystrokes
Feb 21 03:18:01 <johnx> and the tab adds a space too, for free :)
Feb 21 03:19:41 <j0tt> and magically browses through the package list :)
Feb 21 03:24:24 <_darc> wow that didnt take long to do
Feb 21 03:24:40 <johnx> the USB connection is pretty fast :)
Feb 21 03:25:13 <_darc> yea it said 20 minutes, only took about 5
Feb 21 03:25:57 <j0tt> much better than the other way around :)
Feb 21 03:29:08 <_darc> have any of you played with VNC viewer and computers using active directoy auth.?
Feb 21 03:30:47 <johnx> you might not find a whole bunch of windows admins here :) (no harm in asking of course...)
Feb 21 03:31:09 <j0tt> on windows i would use rdp anyway..
Feb 21 03:31:27 <_darc> we have that as a backup
Feb 21 03:31:34 <_darc> use ultra vnc on our network
Feb 21 03:31:44 <j0tt> why backup? it's atleast encrypted somehow :P
Feb 21 03:31:52 <_darc> so is ultra vnc
Feb 21 03:31:56 <j0tt> ah i see
Feb 21 03:32:08 <j0tt> just spare the cal :P
Feb 21 03:32:23 <_darc> hehe
Feb 21 03:35:01 <_darc> welp thanks for the help guys, have a good evening
Feb 21 03:37:20 <Navi> Ha
Feb 21 03:37:26 <Navi> X forwarding > rdp :D
Feb 21 03:37:50 <johnx> Navi, actually, some of Nokia's stuff really doesn't play nice with X forwarding
Feb 21 03:38:03 <Navi> ssh is still sexier, anyways.
Feb 21 03:38:12 <johnx> it's true :)
Feb 21 03:38:15 <j0tt> and x forwarding is slow :/.. if it's not NX
Feb 21 03:38:45 <j0tt> yeah.. ssh is the way to go ;)
Feb 21 03:38:52 <johnx> it depends on bandwidth and latency
Feb 21 03:39:10 <johnx> I used to use gimp over the LAN
Feb 21 03:39:15 <Navi> lol
Feb 21 03:39:24 <j0tt> yeah if you have infinte bandwidth and 0 latency it tends to get quite fast :P
Feb 21 03:39:37 <johnx> well, that's what it was designed for :)
Feb 21 03:39:51 <johnx> and if you have infinite bandwidth and 0 latency RDP and VNC will *still* be slow
Feb 21 03:39:53 <j0tt> but indeed.. using X via lan is acceptable ;)
Feb 21 03:40:07 <j0tt> hehe ;)
Feb 21 03:40:19 <Navi> :3
Feb 21 03:40:28 <johnx> at least it *scales*
Feb 21 03:41:01 <j0tt> indeed.. but for normal low bandwith, high latency connections rdp is not bad...
Feb 21 03:41:09 <j0tt> bandwidth
Feb 21 03:41:25 <johnx> I'll agree with that
Feb 21 03:41:34 <johnx> not that there's anything to RDP *to* on this network...
Feb 21 03:41:37 <j0tt> (though you have just some bad targets to connect to ;>
Feb 21 03:42:20 * j0tt just has a remote rdp account that comes in handy from time to time
Feb 21 03:43:11 <tigrux> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCa6NQQRYy8
Feb 21 03:43:21 <tigrux> tablet-tuber, i uploaded a video. :)
Feb 21 03:43:27 <johnx> very recursive :)
Feb 21 03:43:29 <johnx> I approve
Feb 21 03:43:37 <j0tt> i just had the same thought johnx ;)
Feb 21 03:44:06 <j0tt> use tablet-tuber to watch a video of how tablet-tuber looks ;)
Feb 21 03:44:08 <johnx> did you get it sped up?
Feb 21 03:44:19 <tigrux> Nope. :(
Feb 21 03:44:28 <tigrux> Any hints?
Feb 21 03:44:31 <johnx> ah...I thought it looked faster for a second :/
Feb 21 03:44:45 <johnx> my only thought would be that you could embed mplayer instead of gstreamer
Feb 21 03:44:45 <tigrux> johnx: Some videos are, others are slow.
Feb 21 03:45:09 <j0tt> i still suspect some buffering issue ..
Feb 21 03:45:09 <tigrux> johnx: I don't think mplayer can be scripted with python. Is it?
Feb 21 03:45:10 <johnx> it's funny because it seems like ones with less motion play better, which would point to CPU limitations...
Feb 21 03:45:37 <j0tt> gstreamer was not made for streaming media :P
Feb 21 03:45:52 <tigrux> j0tt: But it works!
Feb 21 03:45:55 <johnx> mplayer has a slave mode, but I admittedly don't know much about it
Feb 21 03:46:25 <j0tt> you can control mplayer via stdin
Feb 21 03:46:59 <j0tt> there probably is a python framework for it
Feb 21 03:48:03 <j0tt> http://pypi.python.org/pypi/PyMPlayer/ ?! dunno..
Feb 21 03:48:32 <j0tt> http://unplug.eee.upd.edu.ph/pymplayer/ thats the real homepage
Feb 21 03:48:32 <tigrux> j0tt: I am loyal to the gnome platform.
Feb 21 03:48:41 <j0tt> yuk :p
Feb 21 03:48:48 <tigrux> :P
Feb 21 03:49:22 <Navi> tigrux, PyMPlayer is a wrapper you can use with python
Feb 21 03:50:10 <Navi> gnome devs suck, they support OOXML.
Feb 21 03:50:20 * tigrux notices many people dislike gstreamer.
Feb 21 03:50:29 <tigrux> Navi: Miguel de Icaza != gnome
Feb 21 03:50:49 <johnx> I don't dislike it when it works...
Feb 21 03:51:01 <johnx> but flv playback on mplayer is fast
Feb 21 03:51:17 <tigrux> By the way, I added the option of search related videos.
Feb 21 03:51:27 <Navi> gnome is Icaza's baby.
Feb 21 03:52:12 <johnx> if you hate every project/organization/company that has *one* person you disagree with...
Feb 21 03:52:43 <Navi> It's going with the project/organization/company you hate the least.
Feb 21 03:53:00 <johnx> exactly :)
Feb 21 03:53:15 <tigrux> Navi: I'm a former Novell Ximian employee. i can't dislike gnome.
Feb 21 03:53:35 <Navi> I can.
Feb 21 03:54:06 <johnx> using mplayer isn't going against gnome...it's just admitting that sometimes "fast and dirty" is uhm...faster (and dirtier)
Feb 21 03:54:07 <johnx> :)
Feb 21 03:54:26 <Navi> uz xine omg
Feb 21 03:54:42 * johnx remembers xine's UI, kries
Feb 21 03:55:05 <Navi> xine's ui sucked, but the core itself is sexy
Feb 21 03:55:14 <j0tt> johnx: the default mplayer UI is not that much better ;)
Feb 21 03:55:26 <Navi> j0tt, j00 diss teh command line?
Feb 21 03:55:30 <johnx> j0tt, at least they use a GTK file open/playlist
Feb 21 03:55:45 <j0tt> johnx: that makes it even worse :P
Feb 21 03:55:50 <Navi> mplayer UI = mplayer file://j0tt.sux
Feb 21 03:56:51 <johnx> j0tt, use the xine UI file open dialog for 2 minutes and tell me it's better than mplayers...
Feb 21 03:56:57 <j0tt> Navi: na gmplayer is the default mplayer gui... command line mplayer is great ;)
Feb 21 03:57:24 <GeneralAntilles> GMPlayer gets the job done.
Feb 21 03:57:24 <Navi> I don't acknowledge the existence of gmplayer or any other mplayer guil.
Feb 21 03:57:30 <Navi> s/guil./gui/
Feb 21 03:57:30 <infobot> Navi meant: I don't acknowledge the existence of gmplayer or any other mplayer gui
Feb 21 03:58:18 <j0tt> you should consider xine as libxine then ;)
Feb 21 03:59:35 <johnx> fair enough.
Feb 21 04:00:07 <Navi> nah, that's like considering Firefox as just Gecko.
Feb 21 04:01:33 <j0tt> and gmplayer as mplayer? you get the point ;)
Feb 21 04:02:07 <j0tt> http://youtube.com/watch?v=Fglg-MptslA mhm nice ;)
Feb 21 04:02:09 <johnx> "...and today we've learned that different people have different preferences and opinions! tune in next time..."
Feb 21 04:02:42 * GeneralAntilles beats the voice of reason with a rubber hose.
Feb 21 04:02:56 <Navi> libxine can't be used separate from xine (without a separate frontend)
Feb 21 04:03:08 <Species8472> DONT FEED TEH TROLLS!!!!
Feb 21 04:03:09 <Navi> however, mplayer is fully functional without gmplayer.
Feb 21 04:03:14 <elb> everyone has an opinion about multimedia frameworks, and virtually no one knows enough for that opinion to be grounded in anything but superstition
Feb 21 04:03:42 <tigrux> Grr.....
Feb 21 04:03:43 <j0tt> Navi:  and i can write a 20 line code that uses libxine to do the basic job ;)
Feb 21 04:03:53 <tigrux> A user found a couple of bugs:
Feb 21 04:03:54 <tigrux> http://bsdero.tripod.com/screenshots/tablet-tuber_oops.jpg
Feb 21 04:04:06 <j0tt> in the end we all praise ffmpeg :P
Feb 21 04:04:13 <Navi> j0tt, and I don't have to write any code to use feature complete gmplayer.
Feb 21 04:04:15 <tigrux> http://bsdero.tripod.com/screenshots/tablet-tuber_oops2.jpg
Feb 21 04:04:18 <Navi> s/gmplayer./mplayer./
Feb 21 04:04:18 <infobot> Navi meant: j0tt, and I don't have to write any code to use feature complete mplayer.
Feb 21 04:04:20 <Species8472> guys my N810 just started pouring out smoke, what should i do?
Feb 21 04:04:33 <j0tt> Navi: so what?
Feb 21 04:04:34 <Navi> Species8472, sell it to me for ten bucks
Feb 21 04:04:40 <GeneralAntilles> Go buy one that isn't a knock-off, Species8472.
Feb 21 04:05:08 <Species8472> wtf are you always that helpfull?
Feb 21 04:05:10 <johnx> hold your hands over it to keep warm
Feb 21 04:05:10 <Navi> j0tt, so, xine isn't to libxine as gmplayer is to mplayer.
Feb 21 04:05:14 <Tama^2> does it smell sausagey?
Feb 21 04:05:34 <GeneralAntilles> Oh!
Feb 21 04:05:36 <GeneralAntilles> If it does, eat it!
Feb 21 04:05:41 <j0tt> Navi: no, as mplayer decided to not make a library out of it's core :P
Feb 21 04:05:43 <johnx> Species8472, seriously, turn it off, unplug it, put it outside, and call Nokia for an RMA number
Feb 21 04:05:53 <j0tt> (or the mplayer devs)
Feb 21 04:05:56 <GeneralAntilles> Then give us your address.
Feb 21 04:06:00 <Species8472> ok thanks johnx
Feb 21 04:06:06 <Tama^2> Species8472: we can be better @ making fun of your problems if you promise to laugh (anche maybe pay us)
Feb 21 04:06:11 <Species8472> how do i turn it off though?
Feb 21 04:06:12 <j0tt> but a text mode interface.. which is nice..
Feb 21 04:06:23 <Tama^2> take the battery out
Feb 21 04:06:38 <Navi> j0tt, exactly, so while I don't acknowledge the existence of gmplayer, I have to acknowledge the existence of xine.
Feb 21 04:06:40 <j0tt> still i get gmplayer when i compile mplayer ;)
Feb 21 04:06:48 <Navi> --without-gui
Feb 21 04:06:49 <Species8472> wait brb going to try and get the battery out
Feb 21 04:06:57 <johnx> Species8472, if it's pouring out smoke it's a lost cause. just put it somewhere it wont' catch things on fire...
Feb 21 04:07:08 <GeneralAntilles> Hit it with a hammer really hard to get it out!
Feb 21 04:07:14 <Tama^2> honestly I thought he was joking about his 810 smoking
Feb 21 04:07:20 <GeneralAntilles> He is
Feb 21 04:07:23 <Navi> Tama^2, he is
Feb 21 04:07:24 <GeneralAntilles> He doesn't own one. :P
Feb 21 04:07:25 <Navi> >_>
Feb 21 04:07:48 <Tama^2> so he just 0wn3d johnx
Feb 21 04:07:53 <j0tt> Navi: what's your point?! gmplayer is part of mplayer, xine-ui is an extra package as  a "reference implementation" for the separate libxine..
Feb 21 04:07:55 <johnx> yeah, whatever
Feb 21 04:07:57 <Tama^2> xD
Feb 21 04:08:30 <Tama^2> poor johnx, such a kind soul.. and you hurt him like taht
Feb 21 04:08:36 <johnx> eh...
Feb 21 04:09:01 * johnx really doesn't care that much...
Feb 21 04:10:16 <Species8472> Guys I just found out I have a Nokia 800 instead of the 810 version
Feb 21 04:10:30 <Tama^2> naaah
Feb 21 04:10:45 <Tama^2> it's just that the keyboard wont slide out
Feb 21 04:10:50 <Tama^2> hit it with an hammer
Feb 21 04:10:53 <Tama^2> that should fix it
Feb 21 04:11:08 <Species8472> wtf there if fire now
Feb 21 04:11:30 <GeneralAntilles> Somebody's going to find this is a log on google and follow these instructions. <_<
Feb 21 04:11:49 <GeneralAntilles> s/is/in/
Feb 21 04:11:49 <infobot> GeneralAntilles meant: Somebody's going to find thin is a log on google and follow these instructions. <_<
Feb 21 04:11:50 <Tama^2> LOL
Feb 21 04:11:56 <GeneralAntilles> <_<
Feb 21 04:12:22 <Tama^2> s/thin/thick
Feb 21 04:12:27 <briand> well, chances are fairly slim that the anonymous log reader will own or attempt to use a hammer made from flint ....
Feb 21 04:12:27 <Tama^2> xD
Feb 21 04:12:38 <briand> so, there won't *actually* be a fire, per se...
Feb 21 04:12:41 <elb> for the record, Species8472 is known to me as a troll from previous interactions
Feb 21 04:12:47 <elb> so don't spend too much time on him
Feb 21 04:12:48 <GeneralAntilles> So you think, briand. :P
Feb 21 04:12:52 <briand> ;)
Feb 21 04:13:19 <Tama^2> elb: he smelled a bit trolly
Feb 21 04:13:50 <Navi> Species8472 is COOL.
Feb 21 04:13:54 <johnx> eh...my faith in humanity damaged once again
Feb 21 04:13:59 <briand> anyway.. "hi all" ... i'm eagerly anticipating the arrival of my new toy.  thought i'd log in here and soak in the atmosphere
Feb 21 04:14:04 <Tama^2> will you recover johnx?
Feb 21 04:14:09 <Species8472> lol @ briand
Feb 21 04:14:50 * Tama^2 soaks briand in a Species8472 soup
Feb 21 04:15:09 <briand> gee, thanks.
Feb 21 04:15:13 <Species8472> Tama^2: stop trolling now please
Feb 21 04:15:14 <Tama^2> xD
Feb 21 04:15:34 <Species8472> this is a support channel you know
Feb 21 04:15:42 <GeneralAntilles> Seriously, he can't be defeated.
Feb 21 04:15:45 <Species8472> if you want to troll visit #trem-null or something
Feb 21 04:15:45 <Tama^2> true true, I should see the light and stop
Feb 21 04:15:45 <Navi> briand, I'm not even anticipating a toy. I'm just here to bother people, that's the kind of community you're getting yourself into.
Feb 21 04:15:52 <johnx> Species8472, we changed it while you were out
Feb 21 04:16:00 <johnx> Tama^2, keep trolling :)
Feb 21 04:16:14 <GeneralAntilles> Somebody fix the topic!
Feb 21 04:16:24 <johnx> briand, it actually isn't *always* like this ...
Feb 21 04:16:57 * Tama^2 changed the topic to: #maemo a smelly and hairy feet troll channel
Feb 21 04:17:12 * Tama^2 sniffs the air
Feb 21 04:17:20 <Tama^2> :8)
Feb 21 04:18:07 <doc|home> that would be the stink of your own self-loathing you smell
Feb 21 04:18:19 <GeneralAntilles> briand, it's never like this. :P
Feb 21 04:18:25 <GeneralAntilles> The planets aligned or something.
Feb 21 04:18:34 <doc|home> GeneralAntilles: lunar eclipse right now for me
Feb 21 04:18:38 <Species8472> ARMAGEDDON!!!
Feb 21 04:18:40 <briand> perhaps it's the lunar eclipse, GeneralAntilles
Feb 21 04:18:42 <GeneralAntilles> That'd do it!
Feb 21 04:18:54 <GeneralAntilles> Full moons sometimes cause it, too.
Feb 21 04:19:12 <GeneralAntilles> After 4 years in retail, I can honestly confirm that the full moon does weird stuff to people.
Feb 21 04:19:13 <briand> anyway, self-loathing is so overrated.  it is far better to be loathed by others.
Feb 21 04:19:40 <GeneralAntilles> briand, it's basically the same as having friends, right? :D
Feb 21 04:19:53 <briand> in my experience, yes.  ;)
Feb 21 04:20:19 <Tama^2> doc|home: that wasn't nice T_T
Feb 21 04:20:21 <briand> ...or, often co-workers will provide a suitable substitute, if friends are not available.
Feb 21 04:20:28 * Tama^2 walks away crying
Feb 21 04:20:48 <johnx> so, briand, N810 or N800?
Feb 21 04:21:08 <briand> N800, due here on Monday
Feb 21 04:21:23 <dospod> hey
Feb 21 04:21:31 <briand> i prefer:  1) two memory slots, and 2) the lower price tag.   ;)
Feb 21 04:21:40 <johnx> the price is hard to argue with
Feb 21 04:22:13 <dospod> Hey I know i seem like a nagger today but what exactly do they mean by the non free open ttd files
Feb 21 04:22:35 <doc|home> dospod: they're not freely accessible. You have to have a license for the game or some such
Feb 21 04:22:37 <dospod> I want to try open ttd since I cant seem to get anywhere in freeciv lol Im getting destroyed
Feb 21 04:22:49 <dospod> Well how can I optain these files
Feb 21 04:23:04 <dospod> because open ttd is open I though
Feb 21 04:23:06 <doc|home> dospod: paying for the game :)
Feb 21 04:23:15 <j0tt> the engine is open, not the data files
Feb 21 04:23:20 <doc|home> at least as far as this channel is legally concerned :)
Feb 21 04:23:37 <dospod> ahh so I need to download trasport tycoon I mean buy it?
Feb 21 04:24:56 <j0tt> yes
Feb 21 04:25:12 <dospod> off to buy transport tycoon : )
Feb 21 04:25:32 <briand> johnx: yes... and i don't really need another GPS (I have a TomTom Go510, a Garmin StreetPilot ColorMap and etrex...)
Feb 21 04:26:11 <briand> although, geocaching may become trivially easy with an internet-connected GPS... at least in urban, wifi-enabled areas.
Feb 21 04:26:17 <johnx> good choice. The N810's GPS isn't that awesome...
Feb 21 04:26:44 <dospod> i dont think the n810 is worth it
Feb 21 04:26:56 <johnx> I still really want that keyboard :/
Feb 21 04:27:00 <johnx> and the screen
Feb 21 04:27:09 <johnx> mainly the keyboard
Feb 21 04:27:16 <dospod> I can buy 2 8 gig cards for about $120 and the n800 for another #250 and then a gps bt reciever for $50 and be way better off then if I bought the n810
Feb 21 04:27:47 <johnx> yeah, the storage situation is great
Feb 21 04:27:53 <GeneralAntilles> 2x8GB is about $70
Feb 21 04:28:00 <briand> I wouldn't mind the keyboard, myself... but the 800 seemed a better fit for me in the long run...
Feb 21 04:28:01 <dospod> really that cheap?
Feb 21 04:28:12 <Navi> dospod, flash memory is cheap nowadays.
Feb 21 04:28:15 <johnx> flash prices still in freefall...
Feb 21 04:28:19 <GeneralAntilles> newegg.com, dospod.
Feb 21 04:28:24 <briand> dospod: yep.  check newegg daily... cheaper by the day
Feb 21 04:28:33 <dospod> $370 for a n800 with 2 8 gig cards and gps , the n810 aint lookin to great
Feb 21 04:28:37 <Navi> They'll only continue to get cheaper
Feb 21 04:28:42 <dospod> and Im thinkin 30 for the bt keyboard
Feb 21 04:28:48 <Navi> 50
Feb 21 04:29:13 <briand> Navi: especially after March, when SanDisk releases their 32G cards...  the 16's will plummet in price
Feb 21 04:29:17 <dospod> then $420 for a n800 with gps , 16 gigs , a keyboard thats lookin good
Feb 21 04:29:34 <GeneralAntilles> 32GBs are coming out at $400
Feb 21 04:29:35 <dospod> if only I could find a music app I liked
Feb 21 04:29:40 <Navi> briand, especially when the SDHC spec increases to 128GB.
Feb 21 04:29:43 <GeneralAntilles> It'll be summer before the 16GBs come down a lot again.
Feb 21 04:29:47 <johnx> I'll have to look for a nice small USB keyboard...
Feb 21 04:29:48 <briand> yep.
Feb 21 04:30:48 <GeneralAntilles> johnx, cart around a Model M with the N800.
Feb 21 04:31:02 <GeneralAntilles> Crime deterrent.
Feb 21 04:31:09 <johnx> not very thumbable
Feb 21 04:31:13 <dospod> the only thing I dont like about the tablets is well lack of good emulators
Feb 21 04:31:23 <johnx> alsom if I put it in a jacket it might be a concealed weapon O_o
Feb 21 04:31:31 <GeneralAntilles> OMAP3430 might make things interesting.
Feb 21 04:31:41 <GeneralAntilles> How easy will it be to rob the Pandora emulator work?
Feb 21 04:31:48 <dospod> it seems the itouch has some good ones , and it kinda makes me sad because I had a choice of the n800 or itouch but maybe one day the emulation problem will be fixed
Feb 21 04:32:37 <dospod> but in the end i think the linux underlaying drew me into the n800
Feb 21 04:32:37 <johnx> or maybe tomorrow apple will find a good way to lock people out and the touch *won't* have any good emulators any more :)
Feb 21 04:32:47 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe
Feb 21 04:32:54 <GeneralAntilles> I can't believe they didn't just open it up from the start.
Feb 21 04:33:03 <GeneralAntilles> Well, I CAN.
Feb 21 04:33:06 <GeneralAntilles> But still.
Feb 21 04:33:06 <dospod> the itouch runs osx but i got a mac so portable os x didnt make since for some reason
Feb 21 04:33:35 <Navi> Well
Feb 21 04:33:46 <Navi> it runs the same Mach-BSD kernel.
Feb 21 04:33:47 <dospod> I know linux is more open than os x so i thought more apps library , which makes since to a newbie lazy ex pothead teenager
Feb 21 04:33:49 <johnx> it doesn't matter what it runs. the sony mylo 1&2 run Linux but sony locks out users completely...
Feb 21 04:34:02 <briand> anyway.. i'm being reminded that it's bedtime... and i have a tough half-day of work tomorrow before my extended weekend begins..  nice chatting with you folks.
Feb 21 04:34:21 <johnx> 'night :)
Feb 21 04:34:38 * briand waves and drifts into sleep mode...
Feb 21 04:34:38 <Navi> night
Feb 21 04:35:10 <dospod> grr kagu makes me mad , canola for some reason didnt satisfy me and the media player has a hard time finding my mo3's so Im in a bind I guess lol
Feb 21 04:35:24 <dospod> except when I run kde then theirs juk which has worked nice
Feb 21 04:36:58 <j0tt> dospod: mmpc+mpd might be worth a try.. i also dislike canola and alike for various reasons.. still i miss a player that satisfies me..
Feb 21 04:37:22 <dospod> oh yea and one more rant , I dont like the ui for the tablets the one that moblin and ubuntu mobile has as the way u can change up hildon looks nice for the tablets though but I still like my device no less
Feb 21 04:37:26 <Navi> Canola looks like sex on 800480.
Feb 21 04:37:59 <dospod> and I kinda miss opera but minefield is in development and that looked promising
Feb 21 04:37:59 <j0tt> Navi: canola 2 looks good but is unusable ..
Feb 21 04:38:07 <Navi> j0tt, o ya?
Feb 21 04:38:32 <dospod> dont get me wrong canola looks great but I dont like it for some odd reason
Feb 21 04:38:51 <doc|home> weird canola 2 works for me
Feb 21 04:39:00 <Navi> I'm a die-hard mpd fan.
Feb 21 04:39:01 <j0tt> it does not detect compilations, it does not detect cover files (no i don't want to get them from amazon), it does not have good playlist handling.... and worst of all it's closed source
Feb 21 04:39:07 <dospod> and I wish I knew how to set up a dev enviornment in os x or windows because I dont feel like installing linux to port gtk gnutella
Feb 21 04:39:17 <doc|home> j0tt there are scripts for cover files
Feb 21 04:39:27 <j0tt> and there are various other reasons i don't like it (lie adding default custom folders)
Feb 21 04:39:42 <Navi> Yeah, that's probably the most bitter thing about Canola's taste
Feb 21 04:39:53 <dospod> how is ukmp?
Feb 21 04:39:55 <j0tt> doc|home: but this script just fetches from amazon? or are there ones that support local ones?
Feb 21 04:40:05 <Navi> Pun intended, of course.
Feb 21 04:40:09 <doc|home> jj0tt It fetches from amazon once afaik
Feb 21 04:40:15 <johnx> dospod, are you against the vmware maemo-sdk image?
Feb 21 04:40:34 <j0tt> yeah i have all covers.. and amazon does not have all albums i have and even then it often gets wrong ones
Feb 21 04:40:50 <j0tt> still the other stuff also make it unusable for *me*..
Feb 21 04:41:00 <dospod> kinda low on resources but I didnt take the vm ware option into consideration
Feb 21 04:41:34 <johnx> dospod, http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ if you're interested
Feb 21 04:42:06 <dospod> actually I am
Feb 21 04:42:18 <dospod> theres some apps I wouldnt mind trying to port for the experience
Feb 21 04:42:40 <dospod> I need to learn more about linux and stuff seeing how I want to major in computer science or engineering
Feb 21 04:42:43 <johnx> and it gives you a linux "desktop" machine to use if you need that too :)
Feb 21 04:42:57 <Navi> dospod, aren't you already running a linux distro?
Feb 21 04:43:01 <dospod> and what a better way to start than by porting apps you like to a device you love
Feb 21 04:43:07 <dospod> Navi Im running in windows right now
Feb 21 04:43:09 <dospod> and i got os x
Feb 21 04:43:15 <Navi> mmk
Feb 21 04:43:25 <dospod> if my laptop ac chord didnt brake I would have a linux desktop still : \
Feb 21 04:47:19 <dospod> oh well I got my trusty little n800
Feb 21 04:47:21 <dospod> : )
Feb 21 04:49:21 <elb> you need this cord instead: http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=PSPREPC&variation=2.0
Feb 21 04:50:24 <dospod> hahahahah for that price I better get more than a fkn cord
Feb 21 04:55:30 <dospod> but im going to bed
Feb 21 04:55:34 <dospod> goodnite maemo : )
Feb 21 04:55:36 <johnx> 'night
Feb 21 04:56:34 <livinded> man, I can't wait for my n810 to get here and start programming
Feb 21 04:56:40 <Navi> :3
Feb 21 04:56:46 <Navi> Don't wait until you get it
Feb 21 04:56:53 <Navi> install scratchbox now :D
Feb 21 04:57:33 <livinded> I was considering just grabbing the vmware image but then I saw it used gnome
Feb 21 04:57:43 * Navi shudders
Feb 21 04:57:44 <livinded> I'd rather just install the sdk on one of my machines
Feb 21 04:57:53 <Navi> Go ahead :P
Feb 21 04:57:54 <johnx> much faster that way, too
Feb 21 04:58:01 <Navi> very much so.
Feb 21 04:58:19 <livinded> I guess I can commit a package to Fedora while I'm at it
Feb 21 05:11:08 <livinded> grrrrr, I can't run scratchbox on fedora without disabling selinux
Feb 21 05:11:40 <johnx> scratchbox1 isn't the greatest thing ever
Feb 21 05:11:55 <johnx> it's a lot faster than compiling natively or in qemu though...
Feb 21 05:12:09 <livinded> I guess I'll just make a slackware vm and install it there
Feb 21 05:12:44 <johnx> a debian vm would work too
Feb 21 05:12:54 <livinded> I refuse to use debian
Feb 21 05:13:01 <johnx> ah
Feb 21 05:13:05 <livinded> the n810 is the closest thing I'll get to it
Feb 21 05:14:07 <Navi> Lol
Feb 21 05:14:18 <Navi> Slack <3
Feb 21 05:14:20 <livinded> well maemo I guess to be technically correct
Feb 21 05:15:07 <livinded> so is scratchbox going to run badly in vmware?
Feb 21 05:15:35 <johnx> well, you take the usual vmware performance hit
Feb 21 05:15:58 <livinded> wait, can I use scratchbox 2 instead if 1?
Feb 21 05:16:12 <johnx> it doesn't seem quite finished yet
Feb 21 05:16:33 <johnx> I haven't tried to build maemo stuff in it though, only debian stuff
Feb 21 05:16:40 <Navi> It's still alpha
Feb 21 05:17:49 <livinded> alright, I guess I'll just build a virtual machine then and hope it runs halfway decent
Feb 21 05:18:13 <johnx> have you used vmware before?
Feb 21 05:18:28 <livinded> I've been using workstation since 4.x
Feb 21 05:18:39 <johnx> it will probably be on the same order of magnitude as compiling things natively in vmware
Feb 21 05:18:50 <livinded> ok, then it will be fine
Feb 21 05:19:32 <johnx> likely at least a  little slower than native compiles under vmware, but then you probably won't be compiling anything really huge
Feb 21 05:20:38 <livinded> thank god for gigE, copying dvd images is soooo much faster
Feb 21 05:21:06 * johnx has a gigE switch and only one machine with a gigE NIC...heh
Feb 21 05:21:41 <livinded> the NIC in my T60 is bad, that specific chipset and a few based off it have an overflow in the power management code in the firmware that breaks jumbo frame support
Feb 21 05:21:59 <livinded> so I have gigE speed but the overhead of using 1500 mtu rather than 9000
Feb 21 05:22:20 <livinded> but all my systems are gigE
Feb 21 05:23:02 <johnx> so what are you planning to build/develop for the NIT?
Feb 21 05:24:31 <livinded> I'm going to port and finish my bluetooth chat application/server and try to help develop PIM software as I've heard there isn't really any and it's something that I need/want
Feb 21 05:25:00 <johnx> very cool. a lot of people will be happy to hear that I'm sure
Feb 21 05:25:49 <Navi> PIM? cool :)
Feb 21 05:25:54 <livinded> I don't really know anything about writing PIM software, but I'm fairly good with C and there is enough open source code out there
Feb 21 05:26:19 <livinded> but if I could get a calendar that's compatible with iCal and sunbird I'd be happy
Feb 21 05:26:21 <Navi> just make sure it can sync :3
Feb 21 05:26:33 <johnx> well there is a some PIM software out there, getting it syncing would make you a hero
Feb 21 05:26:50 <johnx> syncing *without* lots of work on the user's part...
Feb 21 05:27:13 <truls> sync-o-matic-x
Feb 21 05:27:25 <truls> syncing even when you don't want it too
Feb 21 05:27:27 <livinded> you can just md5sum the database, check it against the main one, replace if it doesn't match?
Feb 21 05:27:31 <livinded> can't*
Feb 21 05:27:46 <truls> livinded: what if you have additions in the database made from another place?
Feb 21 05:28:00 <truls> you'd want to merge the info, right?
Feb 21 05:29:13 <truls> sync != one way copy
Feb 21 05:29:34 <johnx> I don't even use PIM stuff on the N800, I just keep some notes in plain text...
Feb 21 05:30:02 <j0tt> johnx: wyrd and remind ftw :)
Feb 21 05:30:02 <livinded> johnx: I'd like to have my sunbird caldendar(s) sync so I can look at them away from my desktop or laptop
Feb 21 05:30:05 <johnx> but if you want a project, go to internettablettalk.com/forums and tell them you're going to fix PIM and ask the users what they want...you'll get mobed :)
Feb 21 05:30:31 <Navi> I use google calendar and an intermediate step
Feb 21 05:30:39 <livinded> I avoid google apps
Feb 21 05:30:41 <Navi> s/and/as/
Feb 21 05:30:41 <infobot> Navi meant: I use google calendar as an intermediate step
Feb 21 05:31:05 <Navi> phone <-> GC <-> Sunbird
Feb 21 05:31:11 <livinded> if they want my personal info they aren't going to get it from me
Feb 21 05:31:31 * truls thought for a second Navi wanted to sync with his gamecube
Feb 21 05:31:39 <Navi> Lol
Feb 21 05:31:52 * johnx trades privacy for convenience like it's going out of style :)
Feb 21 05:32:01 <livinded> that reminds me, I still want to get netbsd installed on my dreamcast
Feb 21 05:32:21 <livinded> I could have an actual arm dev environment then
Feb 21 05:32:31 <livinded> or wait no, dreamcast is mips
Feb 21 05:32:31 <johnx> isn't Dreamcast Mips?
Feb 21 05:33:02 <johnx> just boot Linux arm in qemu
Feb 21 05:33:22 <johnx> it's probably faster than any retail arm hardware on an athlon 64 or faster
Feb 21 05:33:32 <j0tt> livinded: you might want to support/contribute to http://www.pimlico-project.org/sync.html :)
Feb 21 05:34:00 <livinded> j0tt: I'll look into it
Feb 21 05:34:36 <livinded> like I said I really don't know anything about developing PIM or syncing software yet, but it's something that I want
Feb 21 05:35:45 <truls> the DS is arm
Feb 21 05:35:54 <truls> just boot linux on that ;)
Feb 21 05:36:42 <truls> (not that running linux is a problem, but i think developing on it might be slightly tedious)
Feb 21 05:36:57 <livinded> I haven't done any actual arm programming, all my experience with the platform has been reverse engineering a flash image for a router
Feb 21 05:40:46 <pupnik> sed is my content management system
Feb 21 05:57:52 <dragorn> truls: you *can* boot linux on the ds, but it's not "just arm"
Feb 21 05:58:26 <truls> dragorn: arm and a leg?
Feb 21 05:58:52 <dragorn> truls: Among other things theres no MMU, and it's an arm7 and arm9 running non-SMP with different access to the HW (each proc can only see some things)
Feb 21 05:59:06 <truls> yep, i know
Feb 21 05:59:23 <dragorn> so I wouldn't call DS dev much like generic arm
Feb 21 05:59:26 <truls> you can hide some of that stuff through IPC and an api though
Feb 21 05:59:35 <truls> neither would i
Feb 21 05:59:41 <truls> but it's fun to develop for
Feb 21 06:00:16 <livinded> damnit, I forgot to create the vm disk as ide
Feb 21 06:37:56 <pupnik_> I don't think reggie gets complimented enough.  I think the ITT forums are the most prettiest forums i've seen.
Feb 21 06:38:37 <Tama^2> which skin do you use?
Feb 21 06:38:52 <pupnik_> default
Feb 21 06:39:07 <Tama^2> I don't find it so pretty with the default one (but I admit I do not like forums in general) :)
Feb 21 06:39:43 <GeneralAntilles> Nah, that goes to the ambrosiasw.com forums.
Feb 21 06:39:45 <pupnik_> dark backgrounds are pretty and mellow
Feb 21 06:39:46 <GeneralAntilles> Still, they're better than most.
Feb 21 08:11:56 <Khertan_Work> Hi !
Feb 21 08:13:22 <Khertan_Work> GeneralAntilles > their games EV are Great ... but i don't find they have a good forum ...
Feb 21 08:13:56 <GeneralAntilles> Why not?
Feb 21 08:14:06 <GeneralAntilles> Some of the most readable forums I've ever been on.
Feb 21 08:14:29 <GeneralAntilles> Much better user-quality compared to a lot of other places, too.
Feb 21 08:27:57 <hachi> can i get nmap on my maemo?
Feb 21 08:28:34 <hachi> im stuck using this as my debug console doing gdb on an x server on my laptop
Feb 21 08:29:31 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Feb 21 08:29:54 <GeneralAntilles> hachi, check gronmayer?
Feb 21 08:31:50 <hachi> trying to,really slow
Feb 21 08:39:00 <hachi> there's no iproute... can i get the 'ip' command at all
Feb 21 08:39:17 <hachi> no way to search for that i think
Feb 21 08:40:24 <jkyro> anybody else having problems with BT keybaord and the newest firmware?
Feb 21 08:41:16 <hachi> what version is newest?
Feb 21 08:41:30 <hachi> i use bt keyboard
Feb 21 08:42:53 <jkyro> the problemi is that I cannot pair the kb with the device
Feb 21 08:43:36 <legind> hachi, wouldn't happen to be a "Microsoft Wireless Optical Desktop 1000/2000 keyboard" would it
Feb 21 08:43:44 <hachi> what version is latest though? i dont know this
Feb 21 08:43:53 <legind> is it a MSFT keyboard?
Feb 21 08:44:17 <hachi> apple bt keyboard
Feb 21 08:44:27 <hachi> what version is latest?
Feb 21 08:44:28 <jkyro> nope, nokia SU-8W
Feb 21 08:45:02 <legind> well lucky you, the ones I mentioned had a very high encryption standard.....
Feb 21 08:45:04 <legind> one bye.
Feb 21 08:45:07 <legind> byte.
Feb 21 08:45:57 <hachi> any chance you could actually say what firmware version is latest?
Feb 21 08:46:28 <GeneralAntilles> 51-3 for N800
Feb 21 08:46:44 <GeneralAntilles> see http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php
Feb 21 08:46:46 <GeneralAntilles> for N810
Feb 21 08:47:03 <GeneralAntilles> I think the N810 build is a 2008 build
Feb 21 08:47:06 <GeneralAntilles> 1-6 or summuch.
Feb 21 08:47:27 <hachi> im out of ram, thats why i was asking
Feb 21 08:47:45 <GeneralAntilles> Out of RAM or out of flash?
Feb 21 08:48:19 <hachi> ram, im busy debugging my x server on my laptop
Feb 21 08:48:53 <hachi> this hurts to type so much on n810
Feb 21 08:54:08 <_collin_> hi
Feb 21 08:54:50 <musikgoat> ugh, apparently the maemo.org wiki doesn't like me editing a page... anyone know of issues saving an edit in ubuntu firefox? or at all?
Feb 21 08:55:01 <musikgoat> https://maemo.org/community/wiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux/
Feb 21 08:55:55 <hachi> hah, OS 2006 and 7 have iproute,but not 2008 yet :)
Feb 21 08:58:01 <GeneralAntilles> Compile it.
Feb 21 09:27:21 <|tbb|> morning all
Feb 21 10:10:44 <X-Fade> Hi guys, the maemo 4.0.1 SDK has just been released: http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/maemo_4_0_1_released.html
Feb 21 10:11:38 <X-Fade> This release aligns all packages with the OS2008 versions.
Feb 21 10:11:58 <jku__> ooh, shiny
Feb 21 10:12:20 <X-Fade> heh
Feb 21 10:15:36 <jku__> seriously speaking, loks good. having several versions in various repos is just confusing and time consuming
Feb 21 10:15:43 <jku__> looks, even
Feb 21 10:15:57 <X-Fade> jku__: Well, this more a bug fix ;)
Feb 21 10:20:07 <jku__> I assume the nokia binary package has upgrades also?
Feb 21 10:21:09 <musikgoat> how can I get my n800/os08 to not drop wireless when power adapter is attached?
Feb 21 10:21:35 <jku__> I still haven't understood why the binaries have to be distributed in such a bass-ackwards way...
Feb 21 10:21:38 <musikgoat> ...after the normal time that the device goes into standby
Feb 21 10:22:22 <X-Fade> jku__: I have no idea, my guess is legal department? :)
Feb 21 10:22:34 <X-Fade> musikgoat: Mine doesn't do that? :)
Feb 21 10:22:44 <GeneralAntilles> Somebody needs to go beat the legal department with a trout.
Feb 21 10:23:18 <Khertan_Work> lol
Feb 21 10:23:27 <musikgoat> vagalume fails to keep a connection after a period of time, maybe its vagalume, not the n800?
Feb 21 10:23:36 <jku__> X-Fade, that's my guess too, I still don't understand how it's different from a binary only repository...
Feb 21 10:23:48 <jku__> ...except that it makes everyones life harder
Feb 21 10:24:03 <X-Fade> jku__: The 'legal' mind works in mysterious ways..
Feb 21 10:25:08 <GeneralAntilles> The dinosaurs need to die off so the rest of us can get on with advancing humanity.
Feb 21 10:25:29 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: It all comes down to the crazy patent system in US.
Feb 21 10:25:32 <X-Fade> Really..
Feb 21 10:26:01 <X-Fade> Big companies are afraid of being sued. That is a real danger to them.
Feb 21 10:32:17 <jku__> I'm not going to read the whole EULA again, but I found this odd already the first time round: "Licensee shall not modify or develop any derivative works of the Licensed Software unless specifically authorized by this Agreement"
Feb 21 10:32:36 <jku__> so... how am I supposed to use the libraries?
Feb 21 10:34:23 <X-Fade> jku__: Ask that question on the mailinglist. Should be a fun discussion?
Feb 21 10:34:51 <GeneralAntilles> They sure do stick some funny shit in EULAs.
Feb 21 10:39:53 <jku__> Hmm, I assume I can get rid of the original local binary repository?
Feb 21 10:40:33 <jku__> looks like it
Feb 21 10:44:28 <jku__> Anyway, I expect to see more people confused about the SDK repositories on the mailing list after this... Easy to forget updating the binary repo when installing or forget updating sources.list for one target...
Feb 21 10:51:57 <Khertan_Work> for me, i ll wait that a new vmware with the updated sdk will be available ... more easy ... :)
Feb 21 10:56:20 <AD-N770> bon dia / good morning
Feb 21 11:25:08 <b0unc3> good morning
Feb 21 11:33:05 <wwp> g00d m0rn1ng bounce
Feb 21 11:55:18 <Veggen> Hmm. Does there exist a "service starter" applet?
Feb 21 12:11:42 <Khertan_Work> Veggen > i don't know one ...
Feb 21 12:43:49 <Stskeeps> has anyone played with hantro4200enc and encoding mp4?
Feb 21 13:24:57 * Tak hack x86 out of sdk script; install sdk
Feb 21 13:27:02 <X-Fade> http://youtube.com/watch?v=Fglg-MptslA -> usb tilt sensor on N810 :)
Feb 21 13:29:39 <Tak> heh, cow orker yesterday was asking me if the ITs had the sensor like the itouch to flip video when you turn it
Feb 21 13:41:34 <Tak> so, subjectively, does the adblock extension seem "worth it" on the device?
Feb 21 13:42:34 <anima> havent tested because havent got need for it after modified hosts-file
Feb 21 13:44:04 <trickie> Tak: well if you look at a lot of sites with a lot of ads (flash etc) then it will save bandwidth, memory and render time
Feb 21 13:44:23 <Tak> yes, I get the concept
Feb 21 13:44:40 <Tak> I'm just wondering, for those who have tried it, whether they've found it worthwhile
Feb 21 13:45:05 <Tak> I remember hearing a few complaints that it was slower than the browser with all the ads running
Feb 21 13:45:31 <trickie> ah really,
Feb 21 13:45:33 <trickie> ok
Feb 21 13:45:38 <trickie> i don't use it :)
Feb 21 13:45:50 <trickie> but i see noticable performance gain on FF on my PC
Feb 21 13:45:57 <boolean> why not just use /etc/hosts with a list of ad servers pointing too 127.0.0.1 ?
Feb 21 13:47:29 <GeneralAntilles> hosts + CSS is much lighter weight and almost as effective.
Feb 21 13:48:24 <boolean> there is a general site for a good hosts file -> http://everythinginst.com/hosts.html
Feb 21 13:48:29 * boolean hmms
Feb 21 13:49:04 <boolean> is there a loopback on the device ( just got mine yesterday evening  :)
Feb 21 13:49:19 <LoCusF> yeah
Feb 21 13:50:05 <boolean> just looked .. thanks :)
Feb 21 13:54:48 <LoCusF> is there a man-page reader for the NIT's?
Feb 21 13:56:23 <Tak> probably could install the debian-armel man package
Feb 21 13:56:55 <Tak> otoh, there generally aren't any man pages on the ITs anyway...
Feb 21 13:57:35 <LoCusF> yep
Feb 21 14:01:56 <Tak> mmm, shiny new sdk
Feb 21 14:05:34 <SDuensin> Morning all.
Feb 21 14:09:24 <LoCusF> hmm it seems that man-db can't be installed directly from armel sid deb-file since it depends on bsdmainutils
Feb 21 14:15:46 <jumpula> when installing debs from sid, one should remember that those are compiled with a different compiler, linked against different libraries and the header files used in compilation have probably some delta when compared against itos ones too
Feb 21 14:16:00 <LoCusF> yep
Feb 21 14:16:00 <jumpula> ie. you may get your package installed, but no guarantee it'll work
Feb 21 14:16:19 <jumpula> and in scratchbox there's an additional nuisance of user space qemu
Feb 21 14:17:31 <jumpula> if i remember correctly, with glibc 2.5 upward, the differences between the major glibc versions are not that bad as with the old releases
Feb 21 14:18:19 <jumpula> so, more probable that it'll work, but again, no guarantees :)
Feb 21 14:22:14 <MangoFusion> haven't they finished glibc yet? =/
Feb 21 14:22:56 <jumpula> depends what you mean by finished?
Feb 21 14:25:26 <Tak> always bugs to fix, optimizations to make, weird platforms to handle
Feb 21 14:29:16 <MangoFusion> haha yes
Feb 21 15:32:01 <Khertan_Work> zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
Feb 21 15:33:00 * Tak steal Khertan_Work's wallet and ITs
Feb 21 15:33:49 <ynezz> IT = internet tablet?
Feb 21 15:34:00 <Tak> yeah, in my usage
Feb 21 16:14:16 <jose__> moi, i am trying to build an example program with anjuta and the maemo plugin, but i get some errors when building, do i need to configure any build options? I have the sdk+ also installed, but not the previous sdk
Feb 21 16:18:39 <Tak> I didn't know there was a maemo anjuta plugin
Feb 21 16:23:18 <jose__> here is a link http://anjuta-maemo.garage.maemo.org/
Feb 21 16:31:07 <Tak> wow, that's cool
Feb 21 16:34:03 <Tak> jose__: I assume you've been through http://anjuta-maemo.garage.maemo.org/user-guide.html ‽
Feb 21 16:36:30 <jose__> yes...
Feb 21 16:37:27 <jose__> i am trying to install the old sdk and see if i can compile with scratchbox in anjuta...
Feb 21 16:59:05 * pupnik_ has never gotten happy with IDEs
Feb 21 16:59:08 <pupnik_> hi pH5
Feb 21 17:00:34 <Veggen> anyone have a strings-binary for os2008?
Feb 21 17:00:57 <Veggen> (nuts, I should get around to setting up a scratchbox-dev-environment again)
Feb 21 17:01:32 <pH5> hi pupnik_
Feb 21 17:05:13 <pupnik_> tak, here's the output of fceu sound when the sexyfilter is removed.  You can see that upstream there is an error created at the beginning of each buffer frame
Feb 21 17:05:27 <pupnik_> http://pupnik.de/fceu_nosexyfilter1.png
Feb 21 17:06:17 <Tak> are you sure that's not a header?
Feb 21 17:06:35 <pupnik_> yes, it occurs throughout playback, and is very audible
Feb 21 17:06:52 <pupnik_> i'm guessing that is why they slapped on sexyfilter too
Feb 21 17:07:14 <pupnik_> it occurs independent of sample rate and buffer size
Feb 21 17:07:54 <pupnik_> i did more tests writing 3 samples of 32000 and the beginning of the buffer and 5 samples of -32000 at the end of the buffer in order to see where it occurs
Feb 21 17:08:34 <pupnik_> and it happens at the beginning.  the error is 1-3 samples long, but for some reason my code to erase it isn't working yet
Feb 21 17:09:04 <pupnik_> without sexyfilter sound is improved excepting that glitch
Feb 21 17:09:16 <pupnik_> because sexyfilter creates a warble that occurs at each frame
Feb 21 17:10:07 <pupnik_> i.e. the filter doesn't take into account data on preceeding and following frames, so you get a bibbering sound
Feb 21 17:11:32 <pupnik_> so there are three factors impacting sound quality in this order of occurrence
Feb 21 17:12:35 <pupnik_> sound generator (glitch at beginning of frame) -> sexyfilter (warble each frame) -> system-load dependent dropouts on the sound backend
Feb 21 17:14:30 <pupnik_> If I fail to solve the problem, i will write up a report with a code overview, code samples and pictures and .wav samples to illustrate
Feb 21 17:16:19 <Navi> :3
Feb 21 17:16:37 <Navi> Gotta love pupnik_'s dedication.
Feb 21 17:18:47 <Tak> I have every confidence that you will arrive at a solution
Feb 21 17:19:41 <Navi> We need more pupniks. pupnik_, is it okay if we clone you?
Feb 21 17:45:48 <pupnik_> Tak you can hear the sound without the sexyfilter here: http://pupnik.de/Fceu_NoSexyfilter_edgefix01.wav  notice how the warble is gone
Feb 21 17:45:59 <Navi> Sexy
Feb 21 17:46:12 <Navi> flac :P
Feb 21 17:47:06 <cyberholic> Hi everyone....
Feb 21 17:47:17 <Navi> Hi cyberholic!
Feb 21 17:47:38 <cyberholic> Is anyone in here knowing a bit something about the videocenter software? I am wondering why i can not add these podcasts to it.... http://www.gametrailers.com/podcasts.php
Feb 21 17:48:38 <cyberholic> Hi Navi :)
Feb 21 17:48:48 <cyberholic> Haven`t met you before, right?
Feb 21 17:49:22 <Navi> Nope, but your hello was lame, so I counterbalanced it
Feb 21 17:49:30 <cyberholic> *smile*
Feb 21 17:49:37 * Navi grins
Feb 21 17:50:03 <cyberholic> Have you tried out my desktop application - just in case i can get back into game with it ;)
Feb 21 17:50:09 <Navi> Are those video podcasts?
Feb 21 17:50:16 <cyberholic> www.cyberholic.de/maemo
Feb 21 17:50:18 <Navi> I don't actually own an IT
Feb 21 17:51:10 <cyberholic> navi: ah ok. Well, the videos on that page are vodcasts so i thought i can add them to the videocenter "services". And yes, the videocenter seems to recognize and download them, but does not play them.
Feb 21 17:52:02 <Navi> What exactly is videocenter again?
Feb 21 17:53:29 <pupnik_> m4v?
Feb 21 17:53:30 <cyberholic> :) .... http://videocenter.garage.maemo.org/
Feb 21 17:53:52 <cyberholic> pupnik: you mean: the streams are in m4v or does videocenter only accept m4v?
Feb 21 17:54:01 <pupnik_> are the streams m4v
Feb 21 17:56:40 <pH5> Did anybody manage to get his hands on an N95 firmware update?
Feb 21 17:56:50 <cyberholic> A link within the xml looks e.g. like this: http://www.gametrailers.com/podcast/download.mp4?id=30670&amp;type=mp4
Feb 21 17:58:02 <pupnik_> i've seen other people complain of mp4 playback problems cyberholic, that's all I know
Feb 21 17:58:48 <X-Fade> pH5: For what?
Feb 21 17:59:21 <pH5> X-Fade: to extract the omap2420 powervr driver
Feb 21 17:59:33 <glass> ..
Feb 21 17:59:45 <X-Fade> pH5: Let me see if it is still on my hd.
Feb 21 17:59:45 <glass> ph5: what good is the one for symbian?
Feb 21 18:00:19 <cyberholic> thank pupnik
Feb 21 18:00:35 <pH5> glass: I'm interested in what registers have to be flipped for the hardware to turn on, that should be the same regardless of OS.
Feb 21 18:00:48 <glass> ah ok..
Feb 21 18:01:11 <Navi> glass, if you're into reverse engineering, there's... oh, pH5 responded while I was away
Feb 21 18:01:14 <glass> i'd view them as extremely hard to find from the symbian binaries
Feb 21 18:01:23 <pH5> I can turn on the clocks and read the version registers, but nothing else. And I'm not even sure I'm looking at the right memory space right now.
Feb 21 18:01:46 <pH5> glass: I believe that, but it's better than completely poking around in the dark.
Feb 21 18:02:37 <pH5> (or so I hope)
Feb 21 18:03:41 <glass> ph5: please blog if you get as far as to getting right files out of the firmware glob
Feb 21 18:16:24 <kulve> pH5: isn't there a power vr driver for some old linux kernel too? Wouldn't that be better?
Feb 21 18:17:11 <pH5> kulve: I'm interested in the omap2420 specific parts. once we can talk to the hardware at all, I hope the available omap2430 drivers will be good enough to proceed.
Feb 21 18:17:46 <pH5> kulve: now if that old driver is for omap2420...
Feb 21 18:17:54 <kulve> I think it is..
Feb 21 18:18:08 <kulve> besides I think those have the same power vr chip..
Feb 21 18:18:22 <pH5> kulve: no. omap2420 has powervr mbx, omap2430 has the mbx lite
Feb 21 18:18:23 <pupnik_> 2430 and 2420 have different chips
Feb 21 18:18:44 <kulve> pH5: I though the 2420 has the lite too
Feb 21 18:18:48 <pH5> and the power manager / clock registers are at completely different locations
Feb 21 18:18:59 <pH5> so it could be that the powervr register space is moved, too
Feb 21 18:34:48 <jprieur> How can I access the content of the memory card on OS2008?
Feb 21 18:35:01 <ulises> evening people
Feb 21 18:36:32 <kulve> jprieur: ls /media/mmcX/ ?
Feb 21 18:37:05 <jprieur> kulve: I mean, it's not directly accessible from the media player or the file manager, is that normal?
Feb 21 18:37:33 <kulve> it should be
Feb 21 18:37:48 <kulve> at least when you don't have the device connected to a PC with the usb cable
Feb 21 18:38:33 <jprieur> heh, thanks kulve I should have think a bit :)
Feb 21 18:43:18 <boolean> did the latest release of OS2008 change the default root password?
Feb 21 18:45:23 <Navi> What's the IT's refresh rate?
Feb 21 18:49:16 <zuh> Navi: In technical LCD details, I dunno. In what the memory bandwith to the controller actually allows, the figure is around (but likely below) 20 fullscreen updates per second. I think there's some tests/calculations buried in maemo-devel archives
Feb 21 18:49:37 <Navi> Ouch.
Feb 21 18:50:25 <zuh> Then there's the fact that Xomap does it's own throttling by controlling the screen updates and you've got no idea and no control over it with X clients :/
Feb 21 18:53:03 <zuh> I did a test with fullscreen solid "blits" & XSync() and it reports insane values and it's visually not what you'd expect.
Feb 21 18:54:16 <Navi> I'll have to see for myself
Feb 21 19:03:05 <ulises> johnx: hey
Feb 21 19:33:12 <lcuk_2> for largish files (~1mb) is it worth using memory mapping or dont bother and just read the entire thing?
Feb 21 19:43:48 <Species8472> hello, anyone heard about the new Nokia N820 yet?
Feb 21 19:44:48 <mgedmin> there's a new nokia?
Feb 21 19:45:02 <Tak> Nokia nokia = new Nokia();
Feb 21 19:47:25 <glass> Species8472: 820 = the assumed name for the one with wimax?
Feb 21 19:47:38 <glass> Species8472: maybe people would care about that if there were rolled out wimax networks
Feb 21 19:47:50 <lcuk_2> i thought it was 830 in the reports, but even that just looks like a jpeg artifact for a black fronted 810
Feb 21 19:48:07 <felipec> glass: there are
Feb 21 19:48:11 <mgedmin> I vaguely seem to remember that the first pictures of the N810 had it with a black front
Feb 21 19:48:29 <Species8472> so, are you guys going to buy one? I sure am!
Feb 21 19:48:44 <lcuk_2> bugger that - ive only just got this one
Feb 21 19:49:05 <lcuk_2> as long as mine isnt obsoleted this quickly i will stay calm
Feb 21 19:53:25 <alterego> Is it possible to change the colours used in xterm?
Feb 21 19:53:30 <alterego> "easily" ?
Feb 21 19:54:35 <mgedmin> all of them or just the default background/foreground?
Feb 21 19:54:37 <lcuk_2> one at a time
Feb 21 19:54:48 <BTobotras> alterego: man xterm :) Look to X resources.
Feb 21 19:54:51 <lcuk_2> i hate the gray on white of my own text on the 810
Feb 21 19:55:08 <alterego> mgedmin, all of them.
Feb 21 19:55:20 <alterego> BTobotras, I vaguely remember not being able to do that.
Feb 21 19:55:26 <lcuk_2> hmmm, the vmware image for maemo includes "GVIM text editor", however when i go to add/remove or synaptic its not selected as installed.  how do i remove it?
Feb 21 19:55:27 <mgedmin> osso-xterm has no relation to xterm
Feb 21 19:55:34 <alterego> Yes
Feb 21 19:55:48 <mgedmin> alterego: I don't know
Feb 21 19:55:50 <alterego> Basically, I can't see certain syntax highlighting.
Feb 21 19:55:53 <elb> unfortunately
Feb 21 19:55:55 <mgedmin> it's possible that the colours are there in gconf
Feb 21 19:55:58 <alterego> So I need to change some colours.
Feb 21 19:56:00 <elb> since it erroneously sets TERM=xterm
Feb 21 19:56:04 <BTobotras> alterego: it's easy :) Just try.
Feb 21 19:56:12 <alterego> BTobotras, no, it's not.
Feb 21 19:56:30 <alterego> BTobotras, your solution will not bear any fruit I'm afraid.
Feb 21 19:56:30 <mgedmin> alterego: you can also change the colours in whatever editor that chooses them wrong
Feb 21 19:56:33 <BTobotras> Is there any tool to figure out working time (OK, time with display turned on) between battery charges?
Feb 21 19:56:42 * BTobotras shrugs
Feb 21 19:56:46 <mgedmin> vim's :set bg=dark/light often helps
Feb 21 19:57:11 <alterego> mgedmin, it doesn't choose them wrong. The colours just don't get good contrast in the osso-xterm.
Feb 21 19:57:24 <mgedmin> could you be more specific?
Feb 21 19:57:32 <alterego> The yellow is too bright.
Feb 21 19:57:49 <alterego> It isn't visible when on grey.
Feb 21 19:57:49 <lcuk_2> sunglasses? ;)
Feb 21 19:57:57 <mgedmin> yellow on grey?
Feb 21 19:57:58 * mgedmin shudders
Feb 21 19:58:01 <mgedmin> who picked those colours?
Feb 21 19:58:06 <lcuk_2> a mad man
Feb 21 19:58:19 <mgedmin> anyway, osso-xterm is very nearly a clone of gnome-terminal
Feb 21 19:58:34 <mgedmin> it is entirely possible that you might tweak the colour scheme with gconf-editor, if you're brave
Feb 21 19:58:38 <alterego> It shouldn't be yellow on grey. But that is how it is in osso-xterm.
Feb 21 19:58:46 <alterego> It should be dark-yellow on grey :P
Feb 21 19:58:55 <mgedmin> brown on grey?
Feb 21 19:58:57 * mgedmin shudders again
Feb 21 19:59:18 <alterego> It's not as though it's the entire colour scheme for fuck sake.
Feb 21 19:59:32 <BTobotras> alterego: try this one then: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2007/osso-xterm-advanced/
Feb 21 19:59:33 <alterego> It's just instance variables when they're inside a template tag.
Feb 21 20:00:05 <alterego> BTobotras, again, how is that going to help?
Feb 21 20:00:48 <BTobotras> alterego: okay, sorry, forget it
Feb 21 20:01:08 <alterego> :P
Feb 21 20:01:14 <alterego> aye aye aye ..
Feb 21 20:01:38 <alterego> Without gconf editor it's gonna be hard to find the information in there. Which, I'm sure isn't even there anyway :P
Feb 21 20:01:59 <alterego> I just wanted to know really, if anyone has had any success with doing it.
Feb 21 20:02:50 <mgedmin> no, we use sane syntax highlighters ;)
Feb 21 20:03:14 <alterego> The problem here isn't the syntax highlighting.
Feb 21 20:03:19 <alterego> It's the stupid choice of colours.
Feb 21 20:03:24 <alterego> In osso-xterm.
Feb 21 20:03:47 * mgedmin tries gconftool -R / | grep color
Feb 21 20:04:25 * alterego tries 'gconftool -R / | grep colour'
Feb 21 20:04:40 * mgedmin tries gconftool -R /apps/osso/xterm
Feb 21 20:04:48 <mgedmin> looks like you're out of luck :/
Feb 21 20:04:49 <alterego> Shocking, I actually got three results :)
Feb 21 20:05:07 <alterego> I did say it never used to be in there.
Feb 21 20:05:27 <alterego> Admittedly I hadn't checked until now with OS2008
Feb 21 20:05:28 <MangoFusion> http://citp.princeton.edu/memory/ whoah, scary stuff
Feb 21 20:06:37 <mgedmin> there was once a post on planet gnome about automatically adjusting terminal colours in HSV space to provide best contrast between foreground and background
Feb 21 20:06:40 <mgedmin> with screenshots
Feb 21 20:06:49 <mgedmin> that would be nice to have in vte
Feb 21 20:07:06 <mgedmin> (which is the librarty that both osso-xterm and gnome-terminal use)
Feb 21 20:07:36 <derf> HSV is not a perceptual color space.
Feb 21 20:08:15 <mgedmin> I might be misremembering details
Feb 21 20:08:21 <mgedmin> the screenshot looked good
Feb 21 20:08:35 <mgedmin> I can't find the url :(
Feb 21 20:10:18 <Tak> mgedmin: pidgin does that as well
Feb 21 20:10:44 <mgedmin> I think the same guy contributed that feature to pidgin
Feb 21 20:10:59 <Tak> it chooses a set of nick colors with maximum contrast, both to each other, and with respect to the user's theme colors
Feb 21 20:11:09 <Tak> heh, I contributed that feature to pidgin ;-)
Feb 21 20:12:30 <mgedmin> maybe we're talking about different things then
Feb 21 20:12:40 <Tak> back when it was gaim-2.0-prebeta-somehugenumber
Feb 21 20:12:48 * Tak shrugs
Feb 21 20:13:01 <mgedmin> the feature was picking slightly different hues for all 8 "standard" colours to maximize contrast with a particular background colour
Feb 21 20:13:31 <mgedmin> with results such that even when you requested "white on white" or "black on black" you'd see what was written
Feb 21 20:13:39 <ynezz> MangoFusion: yea, scary stuff
Feb 21 20:14:05 <mgedmin> and it was probably xchat and not pidgin that got the patch with this
Feb 21 20:15:03 <Tak> yeah, if it was xchat, I have no idea
Feb 21 20:15:04 <BTobotras> # internal-temp
Feb 21 20:15:04 <BTobotras> 32.00C
Feb 21 20:15:05 <BTobotras> wow
Feb 21 20:17:15 <mgedmin> google fails me
Feb 21 20:24:45 <lcuk_2> # external-temp
Feb 21 20:24:50 <lcuk_2> -800.00C
Feb 21 20:26:14 <ulises> vivijim: hey, may I ask you a question?
Feb 21 20:26:46 <ulises> vivijim: it's about e17 on n800
Feb 21 20:28:09 <elb> if you have a question, ask it, don't ask to ask
Feb 21 20:28:23 <ulises> okay, sorry
Feb 21 20:28:29 <ulises> anyway
Feb 21 20:28:35 <ulises> about e17 on an IT
Feb 21 20:28:39 <Tak> elb: so...I shouldn't ask you if I can ask to ask a question?
Feb 21 20:28:48 <ulises> hehe
Feb 21 20:29:02 <vivijim> hehehehe
Feb 21 20:29:07 <ulises> I guess that the procedure might involve compiling the cvs sources inside scratchbox
Feb 21 20:29:08 <vivijim> ulises: ask it
Feb 21 20:29:14 <ulises> and the scp-ing your life away
Feb 21 20:29:39 <ulises> right?
Feb 21 20:31:25 <elb> Tak: well, in *that* case, maybe it's OK
Feb 21 20:31:26 <vivijim> ulises: actually I never tried the e17 on IT but I believe that this is the correct procedure
Feb 21 20:31:34 <elb> the meta-meta question is a different issue from the meta-question
Feb 21 20:31:36 <elb> of course
Feb 21 20:31:50 <ulises> so your video (randr) is actually enlightenment then?
Feb 21 20:32:10 <elb> that is one general approach for installing any software on the tablet, yes
Feb 21 20:32:16 <elb> a more correct approach is to build a package
Feb 21 20:32:37 <elb> but note that, in the case of a window manager, you also have to hijack the normal startup sequence to start your window management system insead of the standard maemo system
Feb 21 20:32:44 <ulises> indeed
Feb 21 20:32:49 <ulises> however I've deboostrapped a sid
Feb 21 20:32:52 <ulises> so no worries there
Feb 21 20:32:54 <elb> cool
Feb 21 20:33:13 <ulises> I was just hoping that someone would have produced packages already
Feb 21 20:33:18 <ulises> no joy I guess
Feb 21 20:33:27 <elb> then yeah, however you would normally build your software, do that in scratchbox, make sure the dependencies are on the tablet (through apt/etc.), and you can build and copy over
Feb 21 20:33:36 <elb> I've installed apps to /usr/local, the normal caveats apply
Feb 21 20:33:44 <ulises> yeah
Feb 21 20:33:48 <ulises> I'll give it a shot
Feb 21 20:34:07 <ulises> however I believe that apple2 tried and it compiled and all
Feb 21 20:34:11 <ulises> but then it segfaulted
Feb 21 20:34:14 <ulises> we'll see
Feb 21 20:34:18 <ulises> either way, cheers for the help
Feb 21 20:56:13 <hrw> morning
Feb 21 20:56:19 <hrw> jott: hi
Feb 21 20:56:28 <jott> hello
Feb 21 20:56:55 <hrw> jott: thx a lot about keyboard help - I have nice Polish keymap for HW n810 one now
Feb 21 20:57:00 <jott> sweet
Feb 21 20:57:24 <hrw> now need to find time to finally update NOLO to get n810 working properly
Feb 21 20:57:48 <hrw> jott: only Fn+Chr combos are hard to get so I do not mapped them (are same as Fn ones)
Feb 21 20:59:14 <jott> hm yeah i do not use them either (did not even try to map them as they are too hard to press physically)
Feb 21 21:01:10 <jott> hrw: you plan to flash the 51-3 nolo or something different?
Feb 21 21:01:56 <hrw> jott: 51-3 one
Feb 21 21:02:21 <jott> has anyone actually checked what the difference in the rootfs is?
Feb 21 21:02:28 <hrw> no idea
Feb 21 21:02:35 <jott> (as md5sum differ)
Feb 21 21:03:28 <hrw> that means nothing
Feb 21 21:03:39 <hrw> rootfs use compression which can be different each time
Feb 21 21:03:50 <jott> not really indeed.. just that it's not the exact same image ;)
Feb 21 21:03:52 <hrw> you need to compare /var/lib/dpkg/status of both rootfs images
Feb 21 21:04:22 <jott> yeah i need to update/patch my host system kernel for LZO support in jffs2 first ...
Feb 21 21:06:08 <hrw> ;)
Feb 21 21:06:49 <hrw> ok, flasher started now 1h wait for n810 to power on ;(
Feb 21 21:07:44 <pH5> secondary NOLO is the same, only xloader and 2nd changed?
Feb 21 21:07:59 <hrw> pH5: no idea
Feb 21 21:08:12 <hrw> I just know from one nokia guy that bug was in bootloader
Feb 21 21:08:22 <hrw> which part of it I do not know
Feb 21 21:08:42 * hrw -> movie
Feb 21 21:09:11 <jott> http://pastebin.ca/913122 <- md5sums of 50-2/51-3
Feb 21 21:10:40 <pH5> jott: thanks, I guess I'll just flash all of them then, for good measure.
Feb 21 21:15:25 <BTobotras> Anybody programmed bluez on maemo?
Feb 21 21:15:44 <jku__> BTobotras, yeah, a bit
Feb 21 21:15:45 <livinded> I've done bluez programming on linux
Feb 21 21:16:16 <livinded> and I'm currently working on a chat application over bluetooth that I'm going to port to maemo
Feb 21 21:16:33 <BTobotras> jku__: what's wrong with hci_open_dev( hci_get_route( NULL ) ) ?
Feb 21 21:16:51 <apple2>  /INVITE #e17on770 vivijim
Feb 21 21:16:55 <apple2> sorry
Feb 21 21:17:49 <livinded> BTobotras: that should worl
Feb 21 21:17:50 <livinded> work*
Feb 21 21:18:04 <jku__> BTobotras, sorry, I've just used bluez-dbus
Feb 21 21:18:14 <livinded> what is hci_get_route() returning?
Feb 21 21:18:28 <livinded> if it's not a valid device id it's not going to be able to open a socket
Feb 21 21:19:48 <livinded> jku__: what is bluez-dbus?
Feb 21 21:20:06 <BTobotras> livinded: hci_get_route: No such device
Feb 21 21:20:18 <BTobotras> livinded: -1, that is
Feb 21 21:20:27 <livinded> BTobotras: so it's not finding a device, are you sure it's enabled?
Feb 21 21:21:01 <jku__> BTobotras, what the name suggests :) http://wiki.bluez.org/
Feb 21 21:21:10 * BTobotras slaps himself on the head
Feb 21 21:21:19 <livinded> personally I wouldn't call hci_open_dev() like that because you can't handle the event when a device id isn't returned
Feb 21 21:21:28 <BTobotras> livinded: I'm an idiot!
Feb 21 21:22:07 <jku__> :)
Feb 21 21:22:07 <livinded> jku__: is it the python api or is it a C api?
Feb 21 21:22:07 <BTobotras> How do I enable BT, btw? :) If I disable it, status bar icon disappears...
Feb 21 21:22:41 <vivijim> apple2: there's nobody there
Feb 21 21:22:45 <livinded> I don't know anything about maemo yet, but you can try manually changing the value in /proc
Feb 21 21:23:10 <BTobotras> livinded: which one?
Feb 21 21:23:47 <derf> BTobotras: Look in the control panel.
Feb 21 21:24:14 <BTobotras> derf: 10x
Feb 21 21:24:20 * BTobotras is idiot twice
Feb 21 21:25:43 <jku__> livinded, iI don't understand... D-Bus is usable from both...
Feb 21 21:25:53 <jku__> no bindings for either IIRC
Feb 21 21:26:27 <livinded> jku__: sorry, I just read the page on the wiki, I haven't done really any bluetooth development since 2.x before they tied dbus support into bluez
Feb 21 21:26:29 <jku__> python doesn't need them and even C wasn't that bad at least in what I needed it for
Feb 21 21:27:56 <livinded> I guess I need to read more into the dbus support and see if it's worth using it to do the communication rather than the straight C api
Feb 21 21:28:02 <BTobotras> hci_read_remote_name hands, hmm
Feb 21 21:28:20 <pupnik_> i'm kind of happy we have workable ruby, python but no java
Feb 21 21:28:37 <livinded> theres a ruby interpreter on maemo?
Feb 21 21:28:56 <pupnik> yeah with graphics and stuff it's hawt
Feb 21 21:29:20 <jott> and we hava java :)
Feb 21 21:29:25 <jott> have
Feb 21 21:29:44 <unique311_> do we?
Feb 21 21:30:01 <pupnik> no no we don't no ...no...
Feb 21 21:30:22 <jott> sure.. the jalimo packages
Feb 21 21:30:36 <pupnik> shush
Feb 21 21:31:55 <BTobotras> What are we using instead of cron?
Feb 21 21:33:55 <BTobotras> libalarm and our own daemons?
Feb 21 21:33:58 <jku__> libalarm should be usable for timed events, not exactly cron replacement though
Feb 21 21:34:36 <jku__> you can execute a file or send a dbus message, etc. on alarm
Feb 21 21:34:55 <BTobotras> Yep.
Feb 21 21:36:12 <jku__> own daemons are considered evil by some nokia guys
Feb 21 21:36:21 <jku__>  (nokia has so many of their own running already :) )
Feb 21 21:36:55 <jku__> I  do agree with them, seriously speaking.
Feb 21 21:42:15 <BTobotras> Why gettext.h isn
Feb 21 21:42:21 <BTobotras> Why gettext.h isn't in /usr/include? :)
Feb 21 21:45:18 <BTobotras> Ah, it's libintl
Feb 21 21:47:01 <hrw|tv> yes!
Feb 21 21:47:08 <hrw|tv> new nolo works nice here
Feb 21 21:47:23 <jku__> no fridge needed?
Feb 21 21:47:23 <hrw|tv> sudo ../flasher-3.0 -x xloader.bin-RX-44\:0801\,0802\,0803\,0804\,0805\,0806\,0901\,0902 -s secondary.bin-RX-44\:0801\,0802\,0803\,0804\,0805\,0806\,0901\,0902 -2 2nd.bin-RX-44\:0801\,0802\,0803\,0804\,0805\,0806\,0901\,0902 -f -R
Feb 21 21:47:30 <hrw|tv> thats whole magic
Feb 21 21:48:01 <hrw|tv> jku__: nope
Feb 21 21:48:03 <lcuk_2> does it show the perl camel ?
Feb 21 21:48:32 <hrw|tv> jku__: now it just power on/off like it should
Feb 21 21:55:49 <ulises> hello all
Feb 21 22:18:30 <johnx> hey ulises
Feb 21 22:18:37 <ulises> hey johnx
Feb 21 22:18:40 <ulises> how's it going?
Feb 21 22:18:50 <johnx> pretty good
Feb 21 22:18:52 <johnx> just got up
Feb 21 22:19:00 <johnx> got your pm on itt
Feb 21 22:20:16 <ulises> cool
Feb 21 22:20:16 <johnx> which version of xomap are you using?
Feb 21 22:20:19 <ulises> managed to solve it
Feb 21 22:20:27 <ulises> tslib wasn't on ldconfig's path
Feb 21 22:20:36 <ulises> btw, just got up? whereabouts are you?
Feb 21 22:20:42 <johnx> Japan
Feb 21 22:21:14 <ulises> nice
Feb 21 22:21:21 <ulises> gmt+11 ?
Feb 21 22:21:25 <ulises> ish ?
Feb 21 22:22:13 <johnx> +9 actually
Feb 21 22:22:14 <dtahtbot> johnx: Error: "9" is not a valid command.
Feb 21 22:22:28 <ulises> early bird then
Feb 21 22:22:29 * johnx makes coffee, eats breakfast, back in a sec
Feb 21 22:22:34 <ulises> enjoy
Feb 21 22:30:16 <Species8472> nooooo someone just stole my N800 :( :( :(
Feb 21 22:32:11 <saturn_> :(
Feb 21 22:36:18 <Mousey> really?
Feb 21 22:54:43 <ulises> johnx: let me know when you're back
Feb 21 22:57:31 <johnx> back
Feb 21 23:00:16 <ulises> good
Feb 21 23:00:21 <ulises> just wanted to share my joy
Feb 21 23:00:29 <ulises> managed to get e16 running on my 770
Feb 21 23:00:32 <ulises> pretty fast too
Feb 21 23:00:41 <johnx> awesome!
Feb 21 23:01:11 <ulises> no merit though
Feb 21 23:01:17 <ulises> just a compile + scp
Feb 21 23:01:26 <ulises> I'll make a deb though
Feb 21 23:01:31 <ulises> apple2 was after it i believe
Feb 21 23:01:44 <johnx> can you give me a rundown of what works vs what doesn't compared to my list for the N800?
Feb 21 23:01:49 <ulises> sure
Feb 21 23:02:00 <ulises> let's follow your howto
Feb 21 23:02:09 <ulises> debootstrap works
Feb 21 23:02:19 <ulises> usbnet + utelnetd works
Feb 21 23:02:24 <ulises> (good tip btw)
Feb 21 23:02:28 <johnx> without change I assume?
Feb 21 23:02:31 <ulises> indeed
Feb 21 23:02:37 <ulises> unless I say so, no changes
Feb 21 23:02:41 <johnx> alright
Feb 21 23:02:55 <ulises> the ugly hack works ;)
Feb 21 23:03:17 <ulises> moving to the bonus stuff part
Feb 21 23:03:25 <ulises> mounting the nand works
Feb 21 23:03:38 <ulises> installing repack works (obviously)
Feb 21 23:03:47 <ulises> about xomap
Feb 21 23:04:00 <ulises> equivs doesn't seem to want to cooperate here
Feb 21 23:04:38 <ulises> so I had to repack libxau0 libxsp0 and tslib
Feb 21 23:04:43 <ulises> now
Feb 21 23:04:54 <ulises> I'm under the suspicion that my deboostrap is somewhat incomplete
Feb 21 23:05:12 <ulises> for one my fstab is empty and so is /etc/network/interfaces
Feb 21 23:05:23 <ulises> /etc/ld.so.conf is incomplete
Feb 21 23:05:30 <ulises> I had to add /usr/lib/ to it
Feb 21 23:05:34 <johnx> ah, you did it from scratch?
Feb 21 23:05:41 <ulises> so xomap would pick up tslib
Feb 21 23:05:42 <ulises> yes
Feb 21 23:05:47 <ulises> from scractch
Feb 21 23:05:49 <johnx> no that's pretty much right for "from scratch"
Feb 21 23:05:50 <ulises> scratch even
Feb 21 23:06:11 <ulises> after I added /usr/lib to ld.so.conf
Feb 21 23:06:17 <ulises> xomap picked up the mouse no problems
Feb 21 23:06:24 <johnx> that's interesting
Feb 21 23:06:29 <johnx> I didn't run into that...
Feb 21 23:06:32 <ulises> yup
Feb 21 23:06:32 <johnx> the rest sounds right
Feb 21 23:06:38 <ulises> now
Feb 21 23:06:40 <ulises> after that
Feb 21 23:06:48 <ulises> I haven't done much to turn it into a proper system
Feb 21 23:06:53 <ulises> no wireless
Feb 21 23:06:55 <ulises> etc.
Feb 21 23:06:59 <ulises> I'm just playing with it
Feb 21 23:07:02 <ulises> trying out stuff
Feb 21 23:07:12 <ulises> got e16 working ... pretty chuffed about that! :)
Feb 21 23:07:23 <johnx> that is cool :)
Feb 21 23:07:28 <ulises> especially because it's fast
Feb 21 23:07:41 <ulises> the pointer is a bit off
Feb 21 23:07:50 <ulises> could do with calibration
Feb 21 23:07:56 <ulises> but I'll worry about that later
Feb 21 23:08:43 <ulises> ah
Feb 21 23:08:51 <ulises> installed adesklets too
Feb 21 23:08:56 <ulises>  + blackbox
Feb 21 23:09:12 <ulises> adesklets was a bit of a hog (it's python)
Feb 21 23:09:27 <johnx> I bet they look nice though
Feb 21 23:09:40 <ulises> indeed
Feb 21 23:09:43 <johnx> I thought there was a much more compact "desklets"
Feb 21 23:09:54 <johnx> trying to think of the name
Feb 21 23:10:40 <ulises> so
Feb 21 23:10:47 <ulises> what's the state of your work?
Feb 21 23:10:58 <johnx> the wiki is pretty up to date
Feb 21 23:11:06 <johnx> I'm really close to having sound I think
Feb 21 23:11:20 <ulises> I'm re-doing this step by step because I wanted to test if your method worked, because I like doing stuff from scratch and because I'm a masochist ;)
Feb 21 23:11:23 <ulises> excellent
Feb 21 23:11:29 <ulises> what's your plan?
Feb 21 23:11:36 <ulises> I mean
Feb 21 23:11:52 <ulises> once you're done you could publish a dpkg --get-selection
Feb 21 23:12:00 <ulises> or something along those lines
Feb 21 23:12:09 <ulises> to make the install a bit easier
Feb 21 23:13:12 <hrw|gone> http://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/02/22/resolving-power-on-drama/
Feb 21 23:13:15 <hrw|gone> bye
Feb 21 23:14:50 <johnx> hmm
Feb 21 23:15:00 <johnx> I'll probably stick to releasing tarballs
Feb 21 23:15:28 <ulises> all right
Feb 21 23:15:41 <johnx> a lot of the tablet specific changes are configuration stuff that's not fixed just by installing a package
Feb 21 23:16:12 <ulises> true
Feb 21 23:16:24 <johnx> also, the "how I did it" section is really obsoleted by work that *other* people have been doing on getting Debian onto the tablets
Feb 21 23:16:30 <ulises> ah
Feb 21 23:16:34 <ulises> quick question
Feb 21 23:16:39 <ulises> about the IT date/time
Feb 21 23:16:49 <ulises> do you get it reverted to 1970 when you boot your debian?
Feb 21 23:16:51 <johnx> there's a nice package called "tablet-utils" that obviates the need for some of my hacks
Feb 21 23:16:59 * johnx checks
Feb 21 23:17:01 <ulises> debian?
Feb 21 23:17:15 <johnx> it's not in debian actually
Feb 21 23:18:16 <johnx> it's from pkg-maemo.alioth.debian.org in their bzr repository
Feb 21 23:18:24 <ulises> what does it do?
Feb 21 23:18:54 <johnx> it takes care of the situation with var, loads g_ether, takes care of other tablet-specific weirdness
Feb 21 23:19:04 <ulises> ah, nice
Feb 21 23:19:27 <johnx> they also have the chinook/OS2008 hildon libraries and hildon-desktop packaged
Feb 21 23:19:53 <ulises> not there anymore (tablet-utils)
Feb 21 23:19:56 <ulises> I'm afraid :(
Feb 21 23:20:19 <johnx> you have to check it out with bzr from their bzr repo
Feb 21 23:20:32 <ulises> :S
Feb 21 23:20:36 <ulises> never used that
Feb 21 23:20:37 <ulises> hang on
Feb 21 23:21:07 <johnx>  bzr branch http://bzr.debian.org/pkg-maemo/tablet-utils/debian/
Feb 21 23:21:34 <ulises> this is ridiculous
Feb 21 23:21:46 <ulises> the amount of stuff debian wants to install just to get bzr
Feb 21 23:21:51 <ulises> libcairo2 ?
Feb 21 23:21:52 <johnx> ah
Feb 21 23:21:55 <johnx> heh
Feb 21 23:22:14 <johnx> I thought you were referring to how many SCMs exist today...
Feb 21 23:22:25 <epx> is there some 'magic' folder in memory sticks so I could push applications through USB, and tablet would install them automatically?
Feb 21 23:22:36 <johnx> epx, no
Feb 21 23:22:41 <epx> :(
Feb 21 23:22:45 <johnx> sorry :(
Feb 21 23:23:07 <epx> will put as an enhancement suggestion at bugzill
Feb 21 23:23:37 <ulises> you can use the file manager and point to a deb though
Feb 21 23:23:39 <ulises> i believe
Feb 21 23:24:27 <epx> yes, I was thinking about something 100% automtaic
Feb 21 23:24:58 <ulises> ah
Feb 21 23:24:59 <ulises> sorry
Feb 21 23:25:08 <johnx> ulises, it looks like I actually still have the right date and time, freshly booted into debian
Feb 21 23:25:21 <ulises> hmm
Feb 21 23:25:27 <ulises> something strange is happening on mine then
Feb 21 23:25:33 <ulises> every time I boot
Feb 21 23:25:34 <johnx> not necessarily
Feb 21 23:25:42 <ulises> back to K&R's era :D
Feb 21 23:25:52 <johnx> the 770 is fairly different from the N800...
Feb 21 23:26:01 <ulises> true
Feb 21 23:26:18 <ulises> however, not keeping the time is something that _even_ the 770 should do
Feb 21 23:26:19 <ulises> plus
Feb 21 23:26:26 <ulises> ITOS 2006 does it
Feb 21 23:26:30 <ulises> ah
Feb 21 23:26:32 <ulises> for some reason
Feb 21 23:26:44 <ulises> debian doesn't recognise the Hz of the cpu neither
Feb 21 23:27:04 <johnx> hmm? cat /proc/cpuinfo doesn't give you something reasonable?
Feb 21 23:27:29 <ulises> it gives me ~125 for bogomips
Feb 21 23:27:43 <Mousey> push the turbo button, then try
Feb 21 23:27:45 <johnx> I think that might be right
Feb 21 23:28:02 <johnx> the bogomips formula for the 770 is probably MHz/2
Feb 21 23:28:06 <ulises> yes
Feb 21 23:28:13 <ulises> plus, when telnetting to it
Feb 21 23:28:33 <ulises> on 'who' it'd say something about the Hz
Feb 21 23:28:38 <ulises> if I ssh to it
Feb 21 23:28:41 <ulises> no problems
Feb 21 23:28:42 <johnx> that's something else
Feb 21 23:28:43 <ulises> weird
Feb 21 23:32:50 <ulises> stripping it
Feb 21 23:32:52 <ulises> now
Feb 21 23:38:20 * Tak hold breath, flash 2008HE
Feb 21 23:42:00 <Tak> hmm, touchscreen already feels better than 2007HE
Feb 21 23:44:46 <ulises> all right folks
Feb 21 23:44:48 <ulises> off to bed
Feb 21 23:44:55 <johnx> 'night ulises
Feb 21 23:44:57 <johnx> thanks for the info
Feb 21 23:45:05 <ulises> cheers johnx
Feb 21 23:45:07 <ulises> keep it up
Feb 21 23:45:13 <ulises> will try to contribute more
Feb 21 23:45:17 <Tak> holy cow - it's very responsive
Feb 21 23:48:48 <pupnik> 2008HE tak?
Feb 21 23:48:56 <pupnik> nice
Feb 21 23:48:57 <Tak> yes
Feb 21 23:49:03 <Tak> hmm, I can't install any packages, though
Feb 21 23:49:07 <pupnik> btw did you hear the .wav sample i posted?
Feb 21 23:49:08 <Tak> they all say I conflict with libossomime0
Feb 21 23:49:14 <Tak> which?
Feb 21 23:49:16 <pupnik> http://pupnik.de/Fceu_NoSexyfilter_edgefix01.wav
Feb 21 23:51:10 <Tak> hmm, it seems to still use bora software...
Feb 21 23:55:05 <pupnik> is anything installing for you tak?
Feb 22 00:06:09 <fer> hi
Feb 22 00:06:52 <Tak> nothing for chinook
Feb 22 00:06:56 <Tak> bora stuff installs fine
Feb 22 00:46:10 <Species8472> HELLO!
Feb 22 00:58:17 <pupnik> hi
Feb 22 00:58:32 * pupnik prays that he finally got the edge of frame cleaned up
Feb 22 00:58:34 <pupnik> make...
Feb 22 00:58:36 <pupnik> cp...
Feb 22 00:59:28 <DeLe0n> i finally could order the n810 with the discount... hope te get it in about 2-3 hours hehehe
Feb 22 01:01:22 <pupnik> nice
Feb 22 01:01:31 <pupnik> Tak: around? :)
Feb 22 01:07:37 <pupnik> is there a way to record whatever is playing over esd?
Feb 22 01:14:21 <EruditeHermit> hey, in my scratchbox I get the following problems /scratchbox/tools/bin/chown: changing ownership of `/var/run/utmp': Operation not permitted
Feb 22 01:14:29 <EruditeHermit> and other messages like that
Feb 22 01:14:46 <EruditeHermit> when I am upgrading packages
Feb 22 01:18:15 <johnx> what is the ownership of /var/run/utmp? what command are you using to upgrade?
Feb 22 01:18:46 <EruditeHermit> apt-get upgrade
Feb 22 01:19:07 <EruditeHermit> -rw-r--r--
Feb 22 01:19:29 <johnx> the *ownership* of the file
Feb 22 01:19:30 <johnx> ...
Feb 22 01:19:36 <johnx> also, try fakeroot apt-get upgrade
Feb 22 01:20:25 <EruditeHermit> oh
Feb 22 01:20:52 <EruditeHermit> my user owns it
Feb 22 01:21:25 <EruditeHermit> thats weird
Feb 22 01:21:30 <EruditeHermit> why did the fakeroot work
Feb 22 01:22:14 <johnx> actually...I don't really know in this situation
Feb 22 01:22:23 <EruditeHermit> well
Feb 22 01:22:28 <EruditeHermit> now I got a little further
Feb 22 01:22:38 <EruditeHermit> now I have that messagebus:messagebus problem again
Feb 22 01:22:44 <EruditeHermit> should I just reinstall the scratchbox?
Feb 22 01:23:15 <EruditeHermit> /scratchbox/tools/bin/chown: `messagebus:messagebus': invalid user
Feb 22 01:23:29 <johnx> what are you trying to install that complains about that?
Feb 22 01:23:36 <EruditeHermit> gconf2
Feb 22 01:23:42 <johnx> and have you considered just making the user to shut it up?
Feb 22 01:24:02 <EruditeHermit> considered making the user what?
Feb 22 01:24:11 <johnx> creating that user
Feb 22 01:24:16 <EruditeHermit> oh
Feb 22 01:24:25 <EruditeHermit> there is no adduser command in scratchbox
Feb 22 01:24:34 <johnx> just append to passwd and groups
Feb 22 01:24:58 <EruditeHermit> what sh do I give it?
Feb 22 01:25:05 <EruditeHermit> and what group number and stuff
Feb 22 01:25:21 <johnx> actually, hang on...is the passwd in scratchbox just copied from your Linux install
Feb 22 01:25:25 * johnx doesn't remember
Feb 22 01:25:47 <EruditeHermit> hmm
Feb 22 01:25:52 <EruditeHermit> I think its its own /etc/passwd
Feb 22 01:27:26 <EruditeHermit> johnx: would this all go away if I reinstalled my scratchbox?
Feb 22 01:27:34 <johnx> I don't know
Feb 22 01:27:41 <EruditeHermit> hmm
Feb 22 01:27:41 <johnx> maybe, maybe not
Feb 22 01:27:49 <johnx> grep messagebus /etc/passwd
Feb 22 01:27:56 <johnx> (from inside scratchbox)
Feb 22 01:28:09 <EruditeHermit> its not there
Feb 22 01:28:18 <johnx> interesting
Feb 22 01:28:20 <EruditeHermit> I guess I can copy /etc/passwd from my tablet
Feb 22 01:28:37 <EruditeHermit> but if messagebus isn't there, I think there might be more serious problems
Feb 22 01:28:38 <johnx> actually, can you just pastebin your that file?
Feb 22 01:28:43 <EruditeHermit> ok
Feb 22 01:29:04 <johnx> did you do a dpkg --purge dbus or something like that?
Feb 22 01:29:28 <EruditeHermit> nope
Feb 22 01:29:36 <EruditeHermit> hmm
Feb 22 01:29:49 <EruditeHermit> pastbining etc/passwd doesn't sound like a smart idea =p
Feb 22 01:30:02 <EruditeHermit> even if it is scratchbox
Feb 22 01:30:17 <johnx> so don't pastebin the top like with root in it
Feb 22 01:30:37 <johnx> s/like/line/g
Feb 22 01:30:37 <infobot> johnx meant: so don't pastebin the top line with root in it
Feb 22 01:30:57 <johnx> you can see for yourself that all the passwords are actually in shadow...
Feb 22 01:31:15 <johnx> actually...I guess it isn't shadowed in scratchbox...
Feb 22 01:32:08 <johnx> fine, I'll pastebin mine and you can see if you're missing anything else compared to mine
Feb 22 01:32:19 <EruditeHermit> http://pastebin.com/m54e61850
Feb 22 01:32:57 <johnx> missing users for messagebus and haldaemon compared to mine
Feb 22 01:33:16 <EruditeHermit> let me just reinstall
Feb 22 01:33:19 <EruditeHermit> and see if it has it
Feb 22 01:33:20 <johnx> yeah
Feb 22 01:33:26 <johnx> that seems like a good idea
Feb 22 01:33:35 <EruditeHermit> oh one question
Feb 22 01:33:50 <johnx> if it was just one user I would have said, try recreating it and see what happens...but if two are gone that seems like evidence of a larger problem...
Feb 22 01:33:53 <EruditeHermit> whenever I login to scratchbox, it automatically goes to my target
Feb 22 01:34:15 <EruditeHermit> is there a way to login to a targetless login
Feb 22 01:34:21 <EruditeHermit> like the first time I run scratchbox
Feb 22 01:34:27 <EruditeHermit> so that I can delete that target
Feb 22 01:34:44 <EruditeHermit> if you are logged into a target, it won't let you delete it
Feb 22 01:34:59 <johnx> I guess you need to keep one target
Feb 22 01:35:15 <johnx> you can make another target, put nothing on it, switch to it and delete everything else if you want
Feb 22 01:35:22 <johnx> why would you want to do this?
Feb 22 01:35:44 <EruditeHermit> johnx: to delete the target that I have now
Feb 22 01:35:55 <EruditeHermit> but that works too
Feb 22 01:36:00 <EruditeHermit> also
Feb 22 01:36:09 <EruditeHermit> what is the difference between the cpu transparencies
Feb 22 01:36:13 <EruditeHermit> arm and armeb etc
Feb 22 01:36:18 <EruditeHermit> for qemu
Feb 22 01:36:41 <johnx> armeb is arm eabi big endian
Feb 22 01:36:54 <johnx> arm is just arm little endian
Feb 22 01:37:09 <johnx> armeb isn't related to our tablets in any way :)
Feb 22 01:37:39 <EruditeHermit> I thought the tablets were big endian
Feb 22 01:37:50 <johnx> hmmm...I don't think so
Feb 22 01:37:52 * johnx checks
Feb 22 01:38:05 <johnx> or at least they run software compiled for little endian
Feb 22 01:39:02 <johnx> EruditeHermit, pretty darn sure the tablets are little endian :)
Feb 22 01:39:31 <EruditeHermit> ok
Feb 22 01:39:34 <EruditeHermit> fair enough
Feb 22 01:39:39 <EruditeHermit> ok reinstalling target
Feb 22 01:41:05 <elb> one doesn't have to be "pretty sure" of such a thing
Feb 22 01:41:26 <elb> printing 0x00, 0x00, 0x00, 0x01 as an integer yields 16777216 -- they're little endian ;-)
Feb 22 01:47:59 <EruditeHermit> how do you add a user to scratchbox btw
Feb 22 01:49:01 <pupnik> I fixed the sound in fceu!  At least up to the filter.c  Backend is still broken
Feb 22 01:49:04 <pupnik> http://pupnik.de/Fceu_fixed_filter_c_Feb_21.wav
Feb 22 01:49:11 <Navi> grats
Feb 22 01:49:58 <Navi> Damned GeneralAntilles
Feb 22 01:50:00 <Lateralus> Can anyone give me any information about the task bar notification system?
Feb 22 01:50:07 <johnx> EruditeHermit, /scratchbox/sbin/sbox_adduser
Feb 22 01:51:43 <Navi> pupnik, GeneralAntilles told me I should talk to you and become your "apprentice" or whatever. Of course, I don't know a lick of SDL.
Feb 22 01:52:15 <Navi> Willing to learn, though.
Feb 22 01:53:13 <EruditeHermit> johnx: thanks
Feb 22 01:53:13 <EruditeHermit> brb
Feb 22 02:11:52 <lcuk> pupnik, are you around
Feb 22 02:12:36 <pupnik> yeah
Feb 22 02:12:41 <Navi> lcuk, busy working on fceu, he is.
Feb 22 02:12:50 <ekim|dt-linux> Ok ... so now there is 2008 hacker edition for the 770 right
Feb 22 02:12:54 <Navi> or was
Feb 22 02:13:00 <ekim|dt-linux> how can I install 2008 hacker edition on to my memory card ?
Feb 22 02:13:03 <lcuk> ahh, lol i think he still will be
Feb 22 02:13:35 <ekim|dt-linux> please ... tell me  , I am excited to get it onto my tablet!
Feb 22 02:13:39 <pupnik> not sure, try following the houto for booting from mmc
Feb 22 02:13:50 <Navi> There are guides on how to do it, search google.
Feb 22 02:13:50 <lcuk> pupnik, i have been setting up a basic single format book reader which at the moment uses xv library but i have no fonts...
Feb 22 02:14:21 <lcuk> i tried the sdl version but couldnt build inside vmware box - have you any code around for bitmap handling thats not a library
Feb 22 02:14:37 <lcuk> sdl_ttf wasnt installed and i couldnt get it in
Feb 22 02:14:37 <ekim|dt-linux> Ok...I never use my 770 anyhow...so I am just gonna slap 2008 he on there
Feb 22 02:14:45 <ekim|dt-linux> what do I have to loose
Feb 22 02:14:52 <ekim|dt-linux> I can't really brick it that easily can I ?
Feb 22 02:15:01 <ekim|dt-linux> and If I do...770's are like 40 bucks...
Feb 22 02:15:06 <johnx> not through flashing with the official flasher
Feb 22 02:15:12 <pupnik> the great sam latinga's canonical demo might help you lcuk  aliens-1.0.2_Nokia.tgz
Feb 22 02:15:15 <lcuk> hasnt 770 get hardware bug with screens
Feb 22 02:16:01 <lcuk> ahhh wicked, thanks pup :) im gonna see if i can get a book reading core with various front ends        - so i can see the differences and whats avail
Feb 22 02:16:04 <pupnik> http://pupnik.de/aliens-1.0.2_Nokia.tgz
Feb 22 02:16:14 <pupnik> there's also something called sdl-font
Feb 22 02:16:24 <pupnik> or sdl-ttf
Feb 22 02:16:30 <lcuk> i grabbed that  a few weeks ago before i could handle compilation properly
Feb 22 02:16:52 <lcuk> the library based solutions are giving a bit of hassle at the moment
Feb 22 02:17:14 <lcuk> i cant use apt because for some reason within the scratchbox console it has no dns
Feb 22 02:17:14 <ekim|dt-linux> ok...so I have the image right
Feb 22 02:17:17 <ekim|dt-linux> where do I get the flasher ?
Feb 22 02:17:19 <ekim|dt-linux> I am on linux
Feb 22 02:18:00 <ekim|dt-linux> please...I am itching to install this
Feb 22 02:18:32 <lcuk> its harder work for me on 810 to open a browser and search for maemo 770 flasher...
Feb 22 02:18:48 <ekim|dt-linux> Ohh sorry
Feb 22 02:19:04 <ekim|dt-linux> I just want to make sure i don't brick the thing
Feb 22 02:19:21 <pupnik> for the hacker edition get the flasher 3.0
Feb 22 02:19:22 <lcuk> with 770, there is a hardawre brick failure possible
Feb 22 02:19:29 <ekim|dt-linux> is the flasher generic
Feb 22 02:19:45 <ekim|dt-linux> wait...use flasher 3.0 on my 770 ?
Feb 22 02:19:46 <pupnik> i think it is compiled with static libs
Feb 22 02:19:55 <lcuk> i didnt think you could totally brick these? i always assumed you could flash whenever
Feb 22 02:19:56 <pupnik> for the newer hacker edition i believe
Feb 22 02:20:18 <lcuk> on the flasher page via nokia they have a statically linked one yes pup
Feb 22 02:20:25 <GeneralAntilles> WSOD would be the hardware brick issue
Feb 22 02:20:39 <GeneralAntilles> But that doesn't really have anything to do with the flashing.
Feb 22 02:20:46 <lcuk> it would be a very pretty - almost illuminating - brick though
Feb 22 02:21:39 <lcuk> pupnik, hows emulator hacking going?
Feb 22 02:22:21 <lcuk> and by gum i could use this apple keyboard anytime, its a joy to type on :)
Feb 22 02:22:33 <ekim|dt-linux> Hmm...I don't want a brick
Feb 22 02:22:43 <ekim|dt-linux> should I wait
Feb 22 02:22:54 <ekim|dt-linux> I am on os 2006
Feb 22 02:22:59 <GeneralAntilles> Ew . . . silicone nipples. <_<
Feb 22 02:23:14 <lcuk> read up on white screen of death - its a hardware fault possible on 770 only, it doesnt appear to be software driven though
Feb 22 02:23:18 <pupnik> i fixed one part of fceu yaay me!
Feb 22 02:23:33 <lcuk> excellent, only 7966  more?
Feb 22 02:23:48 <ekim|dt-linux> so wtf do I do ?
Feb 22 02:23:58 <ekim|dt-linux> is it dangerous for me to flash os 2008 he ?
Feb 22 02:24:01 <lcuk> is this an already ported to maemo hack or are you bringing it kicking and screaming from another device?
Feb 22 02:24:36 <ekim|dt-linux> can someone please give me a straight answer ?
Feb 22 02:24:36 <lcuk> ekim, before you mentioned it i didnt know there was an '08 hack, might be an idea to see what people have said about it in on internettablettalk
Feb 22 02:24:50 <ekim|dt-linux> http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/internet_tablet_hacker_edition_pushed_at_chinook_level.html
Feb 22 02:25:27 <johnx> ekim|dt-linux, I don't have a 770, but I'm pretty sure 2008he is not going to brick your device
Feb 22 02:25:37 <ekim|dt-linux> alright
Feb 22 02:25:39 <ekim|dt-linux> so I got the image right
Feb 22 02:25:42 <ekim|dt-linux> how do I flash it ?
Feb 22 02:25:52 <johnx> no idea. no 770 here...
Feb 22 02:26:07 <ekim|dt-linux> damnit come on
Feb 22 02:26:12 <ekim|dt-linux> doesn't anyone around here know anything
Feb 22 02:26:14 <ekim|dt-linux> sorry...
Feb 22 02:26:18 <johnx> :/
Feb 22 02:26:20 <ekim|dt-linux> but nobody seems to know the answers
Feb 22 02:26:23 <ekim|dt-linux> not your fault...
Feb 22 02:26:35 <ekim|dt-linux> I just want to get this thing done
Feb 22 02:27:18 <lcuk> ekim|dt-linux, the BRAND NEW hacker edition appears to be at a testing phase only and on the announcement they say if you are not a power user you should avoid this release for now.    power users would know how to flash their devices because they would have done it before
Feb 22 02:27:26 <johnx> if I were you I would first: 1) search itt and google and see if anyone knew ... then 2) just try flasher3
Feb 22 02:27:34 <ekim|dt-linux> I have done it before
Feb 22 02:27:36 <ekim|dt-linux> just not on linux
Feb 22 02:27:42 <johnx> but I have been known to do dangerous things
Feb 22 02:27:57 <ekim|dt-linux> but flasher 3 is for the n800
Feb 22 02:28:01 <ekim|dt-linux> wont it brick a 770 ?
Feb 22 02:28:04 <GeneralAntilles> Worked fine with flash-2.0.macosx here.
Feb 22 02:28:18 <johnx> dunno, I just told you what I would do
Feb 22 02:28:43 <ekim|dt-linux> you flashed 2008 HE on a 770 ?
Feb 22 02:28:49 <johnx> no
Feb 22 02:28:51 <GeneralAntilles> Don't you know anything, johnx? :P
Feb 22 02:28:55 <johnx> I don't *have* a 770
Feb 22 02:28:58 <ekim|dt-linux> not you... GeneralAntilles
Feb 22 02:29:01 <johnx> ah
Feb 22 02:29:04 <johnx> sorry :{
Feb 22 02:29:06 <ekim|dt-linux> :)
Feb 22 02:29:09 <GeneralAntilles> I said so, didn't I?
Feb 22 02:29:11 <johnx> s/:{/:P/g
Feb 22 02:29:12 <infobot> johnx meant: sorry :P
Feb 22 02:29:12 <lcuk> if you want to reflash your device, great - most people have done it, but dont bitch at us because you dont get instant gratification.  there are plenty of prebuilt pages where people have documented exactly the sorts of questions you are asking, but on the whole they are longer than most comments i write (apart from this one)
Feb 22 02:29:17 <ekim|dt-linux> so you did it with flasher 2.0
Feb 22 02:29:20 <ekim|dt-linux> and it worked fine
Feb 22 02:29:39 * lcuk breathes
Feb 22 02:29:43 <johnx> ekim|dt-linux, he's on macosx. it's ... different ... over there
Feb 22 02:29:53 <ekim|dt-linux> really...are you sure
Feb 22 02:30:21 <ekim|dt-linux> this is what it says under the 770 part on the maemo wiki
Feb 22 02:30:23 <ekim|dt-linux> Download the Linux flasher (2.0 or 3.0 which also works)
Feb 22 02:30:28 <ekim|dt-linux> so 3.0 also works with the 770
Feb 22 02:31:34 <ekim|dt-linux> but also...
Feb 22 02:31:51 <ekim|dt-linux> this is what it says on the FlashThe LatestNokiaImageWithLinux
Feb 22 02:31:59 <ekim|dt-linux> Download the linux flasher
Feb 22 02:32:02 <ekim|dt-linux> but it doesn't say where ...
Feb 22 02:32:05 <ekim|dt-linux> how does that help me
Feb 22 02:32:48 <lcuk> http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo+flasher
Feb 22 02:33:01 <lcuk> click the first result and follow the instructions
Feb 22 02:33:36 <ekim|dt-linux> ohh thanks
Feb 22 02:33:42 <johnx> ekim|dt-linux, Nokia themsevles say flasher-3.0 works with the 770
Feb 22 02:33:49 <ekim|dt-linux> ok great
Feb 22 02:33:56 <ekim|dt-linux> so I have the image ... the flasher
Feb 22 02:34:05 <ekim|dt-linux> now all I have to do is plug it in ... and cross my fingers
Feb 22 02:34:14 <ekim|dt-linux> can you guys all cross your fingers too just for added effect
Feb 22 02:34:17 <ekim|dt-linux> crossing them...
Feb 22 02:34:18 <ekim|dt-linux> ok good
Feb 22 02:36:56 <ekim|dt-linux> so I boot the 770 up as normal ?
Feb 22 02:37:18 <johnx> yeah, it should reboot after it's done flashing if you used -R
Feb 22 02:37:27 <ekim|dt-linux> what if I didn't do -R
Feb 22 02:37:36 <ekim|dt-linux> should I add that
Feb 22 02:38:13 <ekim|dt-linux> ok...I  am plugged in .. but it says "suitable usb device not found"
Feb 22 02:38:50 <GeneralAntilles> turn off the 770, start the flasher, plug the 770 in, hold down the home key, turn on the 770.
Feb 22 02:39:01 <ekim|dt-linux> ohh home key
Feb 22 02:39:02 <ekim|dt-linux> ok
Feb 22 02:39:06 <ekim|dt-linux> the one with the little house on it ?
Feb 22 02:39:07 <ekim|dt-linux> :)
Feb 22 02:39:10 <ekim|dt-linux> I never use that
Feb 22 02:40:33 <Navi> pupnik, ping
Feb 22 02:40:38 <ekim|dt-linux> no...it still won't find it
Feb 22 02:40:47 <ekim|dt-linux> what gives
Feb 22 02:41:24 <ekim|dt-linux> GeneralAntilles, what did I do wrong ?
Feb 22 02:41:28 <johnx> what about it isn't working?
Feb 22 02:41:36 <johnx> what error message did you get?
Feb 22 02:41:49 <ekim|dt-linux> no
Feb 22 02:41:52 <ekim|dt-linux> no error
Feb 22 02:41:59 <ekim|dt-linux> the flasher just wont recognize the 770
Feb 22 02:42:15 <ekim|dt-linux> I have been booting from mmc
Feb 22 02:42:22 <ekim|dt-linux> but I am booting from flash now
Feb 22 02:42:35 <ekim|dt-linux> I am holding the home key before I turn it on too just like GeneralAntilles said
Feb 22 02:42:49 <johnx> the USB icon didn't appear on the 770 when you turned it on with the USB cable plugged in?
Feb 22 02:42:50 <GeneralAntilles> Is it plugged in?
Feb 22 02:42:58 <GeneralAntilles> (to USB)
Feb 22 02:43:41 <jott> and did you run it as root?
Feb 22 02:43:50 <jott> (the flasher-3.0)
Feb 22 02:44:09 <ekim|dt-linux> yes
Feb 22 02:44:18 <ekim|dt-linux> sudo ./flasher-3.0 -F SU-18_2008HACKER_4.2007.50-6_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R
Feb 22 02:44:51 <ekim|dt-linux> wait
Feb 22 02:44:52 <ekim|dt-linux> I got it
Feb 22 02:45:00 <ekim|dt-linux> now I am just gonna walk away
Feb 22 02:45:00 <ekim|dt-linux> lol
Feb 22 02:45:06 <ekim|dt-linux> see  you in ... 20
Feb 22 02:46:13 <pupnik> good luck
Feb 22 02:47:16 <ekim|dt-linux> ok
Feb 22 02:47:18 <ekim|dt-linux> its rebooting
Feb 22 02:47:22 <ekim|dt-linux> and...
Feb 22 02:47:28 <ekim|dt-linux> ...and
Feb 22 02:47:42 <ekim|dt-linux> nokia sound
Feb 22 02:47:45 <ekim|dt-linux> come on ...
Feb 22 02:47:55 <ekim|dt-linux> YEAH
Feb 22 02:47:57 <ekim|dt-linux> it works
Feb 22 02:47:58 <ekim|dt-linux> w00t
Feb 22 02:48:01 <ekim|dt-linux> thank you guys...
Feb 22 02:49:03 <ekim|dt-linux> and it seems pretty snappy ... even on my 770
Feb 22 02:49:41 <ekim|dt-linux> sorry for all the messages...hehehe
Feb 22 02:50:27 <Navi> pupnik, are you ignoring me? :(
Feb 22 02:51:24 <Navi> s/:(/:((((((/
Feb 22 02:51:25 <infobot> Navi meant: pupnik, are you ignoring me? :((((((
Feb 22 02:51:46 <ekim|dt-linux> or ... it could have been a freaky regex
Feb 22 02:51:54 <ekim|dt-linux> wow...os2008 is slick
Feb 22 02:52:46 <ekim|dt-linux> this will do for a bit , but I have to get me one of those sweet n810's
Feb 22 02:52:51 <ekim|dt-linux> do any of you guys have them ?
Feb 22 02:58:42 <pupnik> what's up Navi
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