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Feb 26 11:01:37 <Spakman_> johnx: totally agree about the confirmation dialogs
Feb 26 11:07:50 <pupnik> Are you sure you agree about the confirmation dialogs?  [Y/N]
Feb 26 11:09:33 <Spakman_> lol
Feb 26 11:10:23 <johnx> "Do you want the OS to treat you like a child and hold your hand so you don't get lost? y/n"
Feb 26 11:10:36 <johnx> and if you answer y it just keeps all the annoying confirmation dialogs :)
Feb 26 11:14:36 <truls> while (luser) { luser = confirm("Do you wish to see these dialogs? y/n"); }
Feb 26 11:15:29 <johnx> "Warning, failure to see these dialogs may cause the lawyers at Nokia to lose sleep. Proceed?"
Feb 26 11:18:12 <Fang64_> lol
Feb 26 11:32:48 <Mikho> hello. Would someone know about a bluetooth RFID reader I could use with Nokia 810?
Feb 26 11:33:59 <Mikho> If anyone has used one, I'd like to hear about the experiences
Feb 26 11:34:16 <johnx> Probably none will work out of the box, but probably any one that can be made to work with Linux can also be made to work with the N8x0
Feb 26 11:34:22 <johnx> have you used one with Linux?
Feb 26 11:35:11 <Mikho> I haven't used any commercial bt rfid reader yet
Feb 26 11:35:28 <johnx> hmm...I wonder how they appear to the OS
Feb 26 11:35:33 <Mikho> but we're thinking about using one in a project
Feb 26 11:36:18 <johnx> I know that some of the barcode readers back in the day just showed up as a keyboard and therefore didn't really need separate drivers
Feb 26 11:36:48 <jku> johnx, that sounds like a stupid idea though
Feb 26 11:37:02 <johnx> the barcode thing?
Feb 26 11:37:06 <johnx> why?
Feb 26 11:37:14 <jku> shoing up as a keyboard
Feb 26 11:37:27 <jku> showing, even
Feb 26 11:37:37 <johnx> made interfacing to it absolutely fool proof
Feb 26 11:37:44 <johnx> it was harder to *not* have it work
Feb 26 11:37:52 <jku> :)
Feb 26 11:39:07 <Mikho> I don't have much experience working with bluetooth yet
Feb 26 11:39:07 <johnx> ah, the cuecat did it that way
Feb 26 11:39:21 <Mikho> I wonder how well it works in N8x0
Feb 26 11:39:25 <johnx> jku, it just hooked inline with the keyboard
Feb 26 11:40:20 <johnx> Mikho, can you link me to a product page for one of the bluetooth rfid readers you were considering
Feb 26 11:40:21 <johnx> ?
Feb 26 11:40:40 <Mikho> I found this: http://www.baracoda.com/baracoda/products/p_21.html
Feb 26 11:40:52 <Mikho> but it looks like it'd want windows
Feb 26 11:41:06 <Mikho> I wonder if it's possible to make it work anyway
Feb 26 11:44:10 <johnx> my initial thought would be that there is probably a way to make it work...but then again, I'm not the one buying it
Feb 26 11:45:20 <Mikho> It's important that the end user wouldn't need to do hours of configuring in order to make it work
Feb 26 11:46:04 <johnx> well...if you shipped them the tablet *and* the reader or created a .deb package with the necessary configuration changes
Feb 26 11:46:18 <johnx> it shouldn't be a problem...but this is all hypothetical at this point
Feb 26 11:47:14 <Spakman_> I'm hitting a problem using libosso (ruby-maemo) and multiple threads - anyone know much about this stuff?
Feb 26 11:48:04 <Mikho> I wonder if .debs can install device drivers and stuff
Feb 26 11:48:10 <johnx> yes
Feb 26 11:48:35 <johnx> they can install anything and you can use a "postinst" (post install) script to do any necessary setup
Feb 26 11:48:38 <Mikho> It would also be nice if the user could use *any* bt rfid reader
Feb 26 11:48:49 <Mikho> ok, that's good
Feb 26 11:49:08 <johnx> hmm...I've googled but I'm really not seeing much about Linux and bluetooth rfid readers
Feb 26 11:49:42 <johnx> that's what you need to find out about, if Linux supports them at all.
Feb 26 11:49:43 <Mikho> Why does the rfid reader care about the operating system in the other end?
Feb 26 11:50:31 <Mikho> shouldn't it be enough that both devices support bluetooth?
Feb 26 11:51:07 <johnx> well, you can transmit any format of data you want over bluetooth
Feb 26 11:51:32 <johnx> if two devices are bluetooth it then opens up the possibility for them to speak to each other with higher level protocols
Feb 26 11:51:56 <Mikho> I see
Feb 26 11:52:41 <Mikho> then, why would I have to explicitly look for linux bluetooth rfid readers?
Feb 26 11:53:16 <Mikho> Maybe I should check the newest maemo documentation if there's something about bt there
Feb 26 11:53:40 <Zero_Dogg> as long as you've got software that can communicate with it you should be ok I think
Feb 26 11:54:15 <Mikho> ok
Feb 26 11:54:38 <Mikho> Of course, I shouldn't expect every bt rfid reader to send the same kind of data
Feb 26 11:55:43 <Zero_Dogg> no, therein lies your problem I think. They probably don't send any standardized data, and I doubt they come with the source for a linux program you can port. So it's either reverse-engineering the data, or googling for something that already works
Feb 26 11:55:57 <johnx> sorry if I was unclear...I didn't know if you expected it to work "out of the box" without having to write some software that interprets the data
Feb 26 11:56:25 <Mikho> Oh... we're planning new software here :)
Feb 26 11:56:37 <johnx> you can almost certainly get data out of them but you might need to know how the rfid reader encodes that data...
Feb 26 11:56:52 <Mikho> the one in the link I posted would be nice as it'd double as a stylus too
Feb 26 11:57:05 <johnx> so does a sharp stick :)
Feb 26 11:57:25 <Mikho> We had some problems before as the user would need 3 hands to hold the tablet, the stylus and the reader
Feb 26 11:57:39 <johnx> ah...that's a good point actually
Feb 26 11:58:15 <johnx> I could see how elective surgery to add extra limbs could be costly...
Feb 26 12:07:56 <johnx> It really will depend on if the reader hands off the data in some strange format that or something that complies with standards
Feb 26 12:08:19 <Mikho> I need to find that out
Feb 26 12:08:41 <Mikho> gahh, can't find anything on the company website
Feb 26 12:08:42 <johnx> here's some info on librfid (an rfid stack for linux): http://openmrtd.org/projects/librfid/index.html
Feb 26 12:10:28 <Mikho> hmm
Feb 26 12:11:39 <Mikho> I wonder if there's any other way than bt to connect to the reader
Feb 26 12:11:43 <Mikho> there's the usb port, but...
Feb 26 12:11:55 <johnx> that gets clunky pretty fast
Feb 26 12:12:08 <johnx> you'd have to have the stand open all the time
Feb 26 12:12:45 <Mikho> yes
Feb 26 12:12:55 <johnx> if you can find one that attaches through a serial port you could use a serial over bluetooth adapter I guess, but again: clunky
Feb 26 12:13:12 <Mikho> bt would be so nice
Feb 26 12:13:43 <johnx> You should just send an email to the sales people at that company that makes the pen based reader. Tell them you plan to order lots and it depends on them getting you some information you need. They should be plenty motivated
Feb 26 12:14:19 <Mikho> haha
Feb 26 12:15:08 <johnx> really, try it. be vague about the numbers if you need to, but just make it sound nice and professional. :)
Feb 26 12:16:11 <johnx> much better to talk to sales before you buy it than support afterwards. Sales is much more motivated to solve your problems
Feb 26 12:16:37 <Mikho> I'll try to remember that :)
Feb 26 12:17:20 <Mikho> Well, aren't the used car dealers a lot more nice *before* you buy the car
Feb 26 12:18:04 <johnx> You just need to know exactly what to ask them.
Feb 26 12:18:18 <Mikho> ah, found another, better website
Feb 26 12:18:33 <Mikho> that has actual technical specifications
Feb 26 12:18:36 <johnx> nice
Feb 26 12:18:59 <Mikho> but their faq page gives a server exception :/
Feb 26 12:19:09 <Mikho> *server error
Feb 26 12:19:28 <johnx> classy. They must really know their stuff. :P
Feb 26 12:23:33 <johnx> hmm...If I were a betting man, I would bet that the bluetooth rfid reader pen used serial-over-bluetooth
Feb 26 12:25:20 <johnx> in which case rfdump would work just fine
Feb 26 12:28:40 <johnx> hmm...looks like the popular interface is through compactflash
Feb 26 12:30:09 <johnx> a zaurus 6000L would be an ideal host for such a thing, but I think they've been discontinued for a while now
Feb 26 12:30:46 <johnx> I assume that the N810's wifi is an important part of your project?
Feb 26 12:31:44 <Mikho> yes
Feb 26 12:32:53 <Mikho> hmm, are there wlan-rfid readers?
Feb 26 12:33:10 <johnx> somehow I doubt it
Feb 26 12:33:39 <Mikho> then, what's the difference between rfid tags and nfc tags?
Feb 26 12:33:54 <johnx> I have never heard of nfc tags
Feb 26 12:34:29 <Mikho> on this website there are separate categories for the two
Feb 26 12:35:12 <johnx> it's an extension of rfid (which is ISO 14443), according to wkipedia
Feb 26 12:35:33 <Mikho> oh, nfc is about communications over a centimetre or so distance
Feb 26 12:35:49 <Mikho> *decimetre
Feb 26 12:36:41 <johnx> the people at rfdump.org are willing to add support for any rfid reader if you pay them :)
Feb 26 12:37:53 <pupnik> Bug: No international keymapping for N810 libSDL?
Feb 26 12:39:07 <johnx> anyways, I need to get some sleep
Feb 26 12:39:14 <johnx> good luck with your project Mikho
Feb 26 12:39:17 * johnx sleeps
Feb 26 12:39:18 <pupnik> cheers johnx
Feb 26 12:39:29 <johnx> 'night pupnik
Feb 26 12:39:51 <Mikho> thanks
Feb 26 12:39:57 <Mikho> good night
Feb 26 12:46:48 <K-Fox> i have sony DS970 headset but my bluetooth music is out to lose contact with n800
Feb 26 12:47:00 <K-Fox> i dont know the reason
Feb 26 12:47:21 <K-Fox> on kagu player
Feb 26 12:55:02 <pupnik> is it possible to broadcast a2dp music?
Feb 26 12:55:41 <pupnik> so i could set up a little streaming 'radio station' and people with bluetooth devices nearby could 'discover' my stream and listen-in?
Feb 26 12:58:46 <K-Fox> pupnik: my bluetooth is often cut a music on kagu player
Feb 26 12:59:02 <K-Fox> i want a cool music
Feb 26 13:04:54 <pupnik> good luck
Feb 26 13:18:00 <Mikho> right, the reader I linked earlier actually has a price tag of 600e or so
Feb 26 13:20:58 <K-Fox> where is a2dp-support package ?
Feb 26 13:41:42 <|tbb|> hi all
Feb 26 13:42:51 <|tbb|> anyone knows how to mount another box (with n8x0) filesystem via ssh like sshfs does it on ubuntu for example
Feb 26 13:44:08 <hrw> |tbb|: you need fuse modules and fuse utils
Feb 26 13:47:45 <|tbb|> gronmayer tells maemofuse-sshfs is there but only for os06, do you know if that work for chinook?
Feb 26 13:48:58 <hrw> will not
Feb 26 13:50:29 <|tbb|> so fuse tools not available right now for chinook ?
Feb 26 13:54:25 <hrw> no idea
Feb 26 13:54:40 <hrw> one day I will build them for my own use
Feb 26 13:54:59 <fysa> nfs/smb
Feb 26 13:55:12 <|tbb|> why wont share that ?
Feb 26 13:55:24 <hrw> fysa: my web hosting does not provide nfs or smb - only ssh and ftp
Feb 26 13:55:51 <hrw> |tbb|: first need to build, then to test
Feb 26 13:55:53 <fysa> ah, yes, that's an ugly situation.
Feb 26 13:55:55 <|tbb|> my networkstorage should not support anything else but ssh ;)
Feb 26 13:56:18 <fysa> you can use fish:// from KDE
Feb 26 13:56:19 <hrw> and maemo already is full of repos with nothing and conflicting deps
Feb 26 13:59:26 <magicrobotmonkey> yea in looking forward to getting fuse running on my n810 as well
Feb 26 13:59:38 * |tbb| got gnome desktop and sshfs is no problem there, also im telling about sshfs from tablet
Feb 26 14:00:27 <magicrobotmonkey> yea
Feb 26 14:02:50 <fysa> KDE on tablet = fish:// and ftp:// via konqueror
Feb 26 14:05:45 <|tbb|> ah, there you go. i was  talking about native os
Feb 26 14:14:05 <hrw> hildon-control-panel require lot of gnome libs....
Feb 26 14:46:25 <hrw> uf.. finally built ukeyboard in OE
Feb 26 14:55:16 <hrw> ~blame maemo devs for not using DESTDIR in 'install' part
Feb 26 14:55:17 * infobot blames slomo_ and perhaps maemo devs for not using DESTDIR in 'install' part and all the evil in the world
Feb 26 15:16:54 <pupnik> http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/enterprise/RHEL-4-Manual/gcc/optimize-options.html  gcc optimize options
Feb 26 15:24:20 <Khertan> Hi
Feb 26 15:26:46 <hrw> pupnik: I prefer gcc doc official
Feb 26 15:29:01 <BTobotras> hrw: red hat is pretty close to being official :)
Feb 26 15:57:06 <Khertan> Someone know where i can change my keys on garage.maemo.org about extras repository ?
Feb 26 16:04:03 <Spakman_> alterego: I'm having a strange problem with my ruby libosso callback. It works fine unless I have my long running (it usually runs all the time) thread which performs some SQLite3 work and then sleeps. If I have this, I get some strange segfaults with errors like "undefined method "call" for [somethinghere:sqlite_3..: String". Although
Feb 26 16:04:07 <Khertan> GRRRRRR DEBIAN REPO SUCKKKKKKSSSSS !!!!!
Feb 26 16:04:29 <hrw> Khertan: Debian or rather maemo repo?
Feb 26 16:04:31 <jumpula> can you be more specific? :)
Feb 26 16:04:45 <alterego> Spakman_, that does sound odd.
Feb 26 16:04:58 <hrw> I can agree that maemo repo suxx. but not that debian repo suxx
Feb 26 16:05:01 <Spakman_> alterego: although, the errors is just as often something: "...'call' for 1: String" or "... 'call' for [xxx,sqlite3]:Array"
Feb 26 16:05:07 <Khertan> hrw > debian tool to make repo ... and maemo to just accept rsa signed file !
Feb 26 16:05:21 <Spakman_> Occasionally, with the thread running, the callback will work.
Feb 26 16:05:24 <hrw> Khertan: thats other story
Feb 26 16:05:38 <Spakman_> Works every time without the thread.
Feb 26 16:05:40 <alterego> Well, that could mean there's a) A problem with my callback code, or, B) Ruby is playing silly buggers.
Feb 26 16:05:51 <hrw> Khertan: you can always go maemo way and create yet-another-maemo-repository-with-duplicates
Feb 26 16:05:59 <alterego> Hmm,
Feb 26 16:06:07 <hrw> ;D
Feb 26 16:06:09 <alterego> Well, I'll have a look into it, Threads and callbacks.
Feb 26 16:06:20 <Khertan> i ve modify PyPackager to be able to upload package to maemo extras ... but rsa algo isn't available on the tablet with gnupg
Feb 26 16:06:34 <Spakman_> thanks alterego
Feb 26 16:06:49 <Khertan> hrw> yes but ... i don't know why my repo created myself don't work with this stupid application manager !
Feb 26 16:07:11 <Khertan> they should use synaptic instead of this things !
Feb 26 16:07:12 <czr> hey alterego
Feb 26 16:07:36 <alterego> Hey czr long time :D
Feb 26 16:07:38 <alterego> How are you ?
Feb 26 16:08:02 <Spakman_> alterego: I looked at libosso.rb and wondered (seperate thing) if line 127 should say "unless block_given?" instead of "unless proc".
Feb 26 16:08:07 <czr> alterego, busy busy busy. have three projects going on. seems that everyone wants me to work on something interesting at the same time. murphy and all. you?
Feb 26 16:09:35 <alterego> Yeah, not bad.
Feb 26 16:09:45 <alterego> Got an interview for a new job on Thursday.
Feb 26 16:10:05 <alterego> Spakman_, I'm guessing 'proc' is a block, so they should be equivalent.
Feb 26 16:10:11 <czr> alterego, cool. good luck with it :-)
Feb 26 16:11:00 <Khertan> 3 days and still no answer about changing my key for maemo .... pfff
Feb 26 16:11:59 <alterego> czr, Thanks :)
Feb 26 16:12:35 <Spakman_> alterego: but in this case, since there is no local variable called proc, will it not call Kernel#proc and return nil?
Feb 26 16:17:33 <alterego> Spakman_, I'll have to check later. I don't have access to the source right now.
Feb 26 16:17:41 <Spakman_> OK, sure
Feb 26 16:17:42 <alterego> You could be right though ;)
Feb 26 16:17:59 <alterego> Maybe you should try editing the file :P
Feb 26 16:18:11 <Spakman_> alterego: is the C source available somewhere? Can I have a copy, please?
Feb 26 16:18:28 <Spakman_> alterego: initial tests with edited file seem better (removed a warning).
Feb 26 16:18:51 <alterego> It would be in the SVN repository. But that's currently down.
Feb 26 16:19:39 <alterego> Hopefully I'll have some time to get into ruby-maemo this evening, or tomorrow.
Feb 26 16:19:44 <alterego> But I can't promise anything :)
Feb 26 16:20:27 <Spakman_> no worries, whatever you can manage :)
Feb 26 16:20:36 <Spakman_> Any idea when SVN will be back up?
Feb 26 16:21:00 <alterego> When I start working on ruby-maemo again, as it'll have to be up for me to check out the source ;)
Feb 26 16:21:34 <Spakman_> ah, seems logical enough!
Feb 26 16:22:11 <alterego> :)
Feb 26 16:40:19 <Spakman_> catch you later folks, dinner time for me.
Feb 26 16:46:59 <dookdook> just got my nokia n800 today.  pretty excited
Feb 26 16:48:24 <SDuensin> Congrats, dookdook.  I'm a recent N800 buyer.  Love the little thing.
Feb 26 16:48:57 <dookdook> sduensin, can't wait to put some software on it.  any suggestions?
Feb 26 16:49:14 <pupnik> mplayer
Feb 26 16:49:16 <Veggen> maemo mapper is of course a must.
Feb 26 16:49:20 <SDuensin> Well, put the new OS on it before you do much of anything.
Feb 26 16:49:48 <X-Fade_> Khertan: ping?
Feb 26 16:49:49 <dookdook> i'm completely new to this..i've just perused the maemo site...they're up to 4.0 now, right?  thats the one i should install?
Feb 26 16:52:16 <jku> dookdook: 4.0.1
Feb 26 16:52:18 <Veggen> newest OS20008. 4.0 is the SDK version, not?
Feb 26 16:52:52 <mgedmin> dookdook: flash latest OS2008 (if you don't have it already)
Feb 26 16:52:59 <mgedmin> best apps: fbreader, maemo-mapper
Feb 26 16:53:08 <mgedmin> well, a lot depends on what you want to do with it
Feb 26 16:53:28 <mgedmin> I can't live without load-applet to get a CPU & memory indicator in the statusbar
Feb 26 16:53:31 <jku> dookdook, yeah just tpick the newest OS2008, I thought you were referring to the SDK
Feb 26 16:53:41 <mgedmin> I used to want statusbarclock too, but now I don't have space for it
Feb 26 16:53:58 <mgedmin> openssh is nice
Feb 26 16:54:15 <mgedmin> if you're comfortable with the command line
Feb 26 16:54:16 <dookdook> yeah, i think i'm confused...the sdk is up to 4.0.1, but the os is os2008...
Feb 26 16:54:24 <dookdook> its not going to break anything, is it?
Feb 26 16:54:36 <mgedmin> what isn't?
Feb 26 16:54:48 <jku> what is "it"?
Feb 26 16:54:50 <dookdook> os2008
Feb 26 16:54:54 <mgedmin> flashing a new OS image isn't going to break anything (unless you run out of battery power)
Feb 26 16:55:01 <mgedmin> if you've got a new n800, you already have os2008
Feb 26 16:55:04 <mgedmin> but maybe an older version
Feb 26 16:55:19 <mgedmin> there was a bug where some n800 just didn't want to power on
Feb 26 16:55:25 <mgedmin> it's fixed in the latest 2008 release
Feb 26 16:55:42 <mgedmin> you can see the full version number in the control panel (about device)
Feb 26 16:58:21 <dookdook> version 3.2007.10-7
Feb 26 16:58:43 <SDuensin> Oh yea, that's OLD.
Feb 26 16:58:51 <dookdook> i bought it used...
Feb 26 16:58:57 <mgedmin> is it? right, OS 2007
Feb 26 16:59:09 <mgedmin> OS 2008 is prettier and has more functionality
Feb 26 16:59:14 <mgedmin> I suggest flashing it
Feb 26 16:59:21 <dookdook> so, i'm downloading "the second it os2008 release for nokia n800"...i assume thats the right one?
Feb 26 16:59:25 <mgedmin> do you use linux, mac os, or windows?
Feb 26 16:59:35 <dookdook> i use linux on my laptop
Feb 26 16:59:49 <dookdook> one of the reasons i wanted the nokia...cause of linux
Feb 26 17:02:33 <mgedmin> yay
Feb 26 17:02:45 <mgedmin> found the linux flasher already?
Feb 26 17:03:38 <dookdook> me?
Feb 26 17:04:02 * mgedmin nods
Feb 26 17:04:29 <mgedmin> I suppose the page with flashing instructions that pointed you to the os image also pointed to the flasher program
Feb 26 17:05:06 <dookdook> i only see the .bin, the license and the md5sums
Feb 26 17:05:54 <dookdook> (.bins (plural) rather)
Feb 26 17:06:15 <mgedmin> http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_flashlatestnokiaimagewithlinux/
Feb 26 17:07:06 <mgedmin> maemo.org is so slow again :(
Feb 26 17:13:55 <dookdook> is it just me or is it a lot snappier?
Feb 26 17:15:42 <mgedmin> what is?
Feb 26 17:15:53 <mgedmin> maemo.org or the n800 with os2008 on it?
Feb 26 17:15:59 <dookdook> the latter
Feb 26 17:16:06 <mgedmin> hm
Feb 26 17:16:15 <dookdook> anyway, installed and working
Feb 26 17:16:16 <mgedmin> it's nicer to use; I haven't noticed it being faster or slower
Feb 26 17:16:32 <jku> dookdook, which OS did you have before?
Feb 26 17:16:54 <dookdook> jku, version 3.2007.10-7
Feb 26 17:17:22 <jku> I think the clock speed was raised between them...
Feb 26 17:17:29 <jku> so it would be faster
Feb 26 17:19:21 <mgedmin> ah, right
Feb 26 17:19:36 <mgedmin> the magical software update that increases cpu speed
Feb 26 17:19:45 <Navi> woo
Feb 26 17:20:42 <dookdook> alrighty...thank you mgedmin
Feb 26 17:21:04 <GeneralAntilles> Well, clock speed and major code improvements.
Feb 26 17:21:24 <dookdook> looks prettier too
Feb 26 17:21:34 <Navi> is there a vi package with color support?
Feb 26 17:21:42 <mgedmin> it's the first nokia it os with beautiful default theme
Feb 26 17:21:46 <mgedmin> vim
Feb 26 17:22:01 <mgedmin> it should be in maemo extras, but probably isn't, because I'm lazy :(
Feb 26 17:22:32 <Navi> >_>
Feb 26 17:22:37 <mgedmin> https://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/vim/
Feb 26 17:23:39 <mgedmin> hm, that page says "Author: Marius Gedminas"
Feb 26 17:23:44 <mgedmin> which is misleading
Feb 26 17:23:49 <mgedmin> I packaged it for maemo; I didn't write it
Feb 26 17:23:55 <Navi> Thank you
Feb 26 17:23:56 <zoran> alter ego of mgedmin ?   :)
Feb 26 17:24:07 * mgedmin teaches zoran about /whois
Feb 26 17:24:18 <zoran> nope, not real alterego
Feb 26 17:24:34 <alterego> You rang?
Feb 26 17:24:38 <zoran> as Freud thought
Feb 26 17:24:54 <zoran> he-he
Feb 26 17:25:04 <zoran> I just forgot about that nick
Feb 26 17:25:48 <Navi> >_>
Feb 26 17:25:50 <Navi> "maemo.org uses an invalid security certificate.
Feb 26 17:25:51 <Navi> "
Feb 26 17:26:45 <koshi> Got a question regarding on screen keyboard and japanese layout, after installing anthy and scim-anthy which is meant to be a japanese input method, I donot get the on screen keyboard any more. It just never appears, anyone know about this problem?
Feb 26 17:27:11 <derf> OS 2008?
Feb 26 17:27:26 <koshi> Yep sorry on n810
Feb 26 17:27:39 <derf> Oh... I never got an onscreen keyboard on the N810.
Feb 26 17:27:45 <derf> Is there a reason to want one?
Feb 26 17:28:36 <zoran> yeah, to have your own!
Feb 26 17:28:50 <koshi> Its easier to use then the little extensible one. At least for me, still, installing two applications that apparently make use of the SMART Common Input Method, and kill it, doesn't seem smart <_<
Feb 26 17:29:48 <koshi> So I was wondering if anyone successfully managed to get writing japanese support going. Or perhaps knows how to start the on screen keyboard manually.
Feb 26 17:30:00 <derf> Anyway... I'd e-mail makoto. He's pretty responsive.
Feb 26 17:30:11 <derf> I've gotten it going just fine, but no onscreen keyboard.
Feb 26 17:30:44 <derf> The biggest problem I've had is that it seems to break sticky modifier keys.
Feb 26 17:30:48 <mgedmin> koshi: I don't have my n810 yet, but I'd like to know how to get a real vkb there too
Feb 26 17:30:57 <mgedmin> doesn't it pop up when you have the hardware keyboard closed?
Feb 26 17:31:04 <derf> I.e., you have to actually hold down Fn while pressing q to get a 1.
Feb 26 17:31:09 <mgedmin> I've also heard something vkb-ish happens when you press shift+space
Feb 26 17:31:12 <derf> Instead of pressing one after the other.
Feb 26 17:31:31 <koshi> Sorry who is makoto? mgedmin yes, normally yes it does. But for some reaosn it no longer does it, once I remove all scim and anthy packages it comes back...
Feb 26 17:31:51 <derf> koshi: The author of maemocjk? It's on the website.
Feb 26 17:31:55 <mgedmin> hmm
Feb 26 17:31:57 <pH5> does anybody know how to get gtk scroll bars to the left side of the screen? "echo gtk-scrolled-window-placement = top-right > ~/.gtkrc-2.0" didn't do the trick.
Feb 26 17:32:03 <derf> mgedmin: shift+space is the normal SCIM trigger.
Feb 26 17:32:07 <koshi> Ahh I see il bung him an email
Feb 26 17:32:11 <mgedmin> scim probably changes the GTK input method
Feb 26 17:32:49 <derf> I don't think he's got scim integrated as well as he did uim.
Feb 26 17:33:07 <derf> I'm not sure why he switched, other than to get some on-screen feedback about the current input mode.
Feb 26 17:34:26 <derf> Anyway... I fixed the horrible vkb show/hide stuff for him before. I could probably do it again, but I wouldn't hold your breath on it happening any time soon.
Feb 26 17:34:34 <koshi> There used to be a little random pop up thing when you pressed chr button (that you use for random characters not on the actual physical keyboard) that no longer pops up either. It is meant to be called from the physical keyboard. But yeah il bung him an email see what he says.
Feb 26 17:34:52 <derf> I could never figure out what the Chr key was for.
Feb 26 17:35:05 <derf> Even before I installed maemocjk.
Feb 26 17:35:42 <koshi> Actually I only found out about it today. When my lecturer was playing around with it, he just pressed it randomly and it popped up a mini on screen thing with physical keyboard active as well.
Feb 26 17:36:02 <derf> I mean, I pressed it. But nothing like that ever happened.
Feb 26 17:36:07 <koshi> Oh o_O
Feb 26 17:37:00 <koshi> Think its meant to activate when you are in a text field already
Feb 26 17:37:26 <koshi> Oh yeah derf, you got maemocjk on n810 then?
Feb 26 17:37:30 <derf> koshi: Yes.
Feb 26 17:37:35 <koshi> And it works?
Feb 26 17:37:38 <derf> The japanese-support, anyway.
Feb 26 17:37:40 <derf> Yes, it does.
Feb 26 17:37:58 <koshi> With the on screen keyboard? Hmmh maybe I am missing a package for it...
Feb 26 17:38:05 <derf> No onscreen keyboard.
Feb 26 17:38:29 <derf> As I said, I never had an onscreen keyboard, even before I switched.
Feb 26 17:38:33 <Navi> mgedmin, thank you
Feb 26 17:38:41 <derf> But I didn't play around with it very long before installing maemocjk.
Feb 26 17:38:53 <derf> Since I was, you know, in Japan when I got it.
Feb 26 17:39:07 <koshi> Oh, you can enable it via control panel, automatically its off I believe.
Feb 26 17:40:17 <derf> Ah, I see.
Feb 26 17:40:20 <derf> That would explain it.
Feb 26 17:40:31 <derf> Probably explains why Chr didn't do anything, also.
Feb 26 17:40:56 <koshi> Yes perhaps. I do like the on screen keyboard more, its hand writing recognition is pretty good even with my crappy hand writing.
Feb 26 17:41:10 <mgedmin> oh? cool
Feb 26 17:41:15 <derf> Well, for maemocjk on OS2006/7, he had to implement his own vkb.
Feb 26 17:41:17 <mgedmin> I could never get it to work satisfactorily
Feb 26 17:41:20 <derf> So, no handwriting recognition.
Feb 26 17:41:29 <mgedmin> also, vim's command mode is not very forgiving of mistakes ;)
Feb 26 17:41:51 <derf> Now, that also meant it was easy to do your own custom keyboard layout.
Feb 26 17:42:04 <derf> So on the whole I didn't mind.
Feb 26 17:42:07 <koshi> But was planning to go to japan in a year's time or so and was hoping to get some more practise at least writing in in. And would be useful anyway over there.
Feb 26 17:42:16 <derf> But my guess is he simply hasn't gotten around to porting that to OS2008 yet.
Feb 26 17:42:41 <derf> It is _extremely_ useful to have over there.
Feb 26 17:42:53 <derf> Especially if you're just visiting.
Feb 26 17:43:24 <derf> But you'd better be able to read Japanese, because there's precious little English on the Google maps maemo-mapper uses.
Feb 26 17:44:04 <koshi> Yes, it works fine with the physical keyboard, and I can type a word using hiragana sounds and if its right, it does convert it to kanji, but no idea if its right as I only started learning hiragana recently.
Feb 26 17:44:41 <derf> It's very often not.
Feb 26 17:44:47 <koshi> Haha
Feb 26 17:45:04 <dookdook> wow quake.  does that run at a reasonable speed?
Feb 26 17:45:11 <derf> Personally I can't stand anthy. So I ported over scim-skk.
Feb 26 17:45:43 <derf> I still need to send makoto those patches.
Feb 26 17:45:45 <BugBlue> mmm someone tried asterisk with N810 and video support already?
Feb 26 17:46:20 <koshi> dookdook, I tried doom demo and it was fine i just sucked at using the controls....
Feb 26 17:46:43 <GeneralAntilles> Quake/Quake 2 run great
Feb 26 17:46:51 <GeneralAntilles> Controls are basically perfect for the tablet.
Feb 26 17:47:19 <magicrobotmonkey> whoa
Feb 26 17:47:24 <magicrobotmonkey> where do you get quake from?
Feb 26 17:47:26 <koshi> Hmmh, scim-skk you say. Il have a look at that.
Feb 26 17:47:26 <derf> Really?
Feb 26 17:47:46 <derf> I find the d-pad on every version of the tablet to be impossibly clumsy for games.
Feb 26 17:48:13 <glass> nokias 4way designed pads suck bigtime for gaming
Feb 26 17:48:13 <SDuensin> Anybody ever try and pair a bluetooth PS3 controller or Wiimote to it?
Feb 26 17:48:27 <koshi> Not sure on quake, but doom can use stylus its strange but I did get to second level haha
Feb 26 17:48:29 <glass> ngages the only nokias with decent pad for gaming
Feb 26 17:50:29 <GeneralAntilles> magicrobotmonkey, google.
Feb 26 17:50:36 <magicrobotmonkey> heh
Feb 26 17:50:37 <dookdook> to install software, i just dump it on the memory card and click from the tablet?
Feb 26 17:50:51 <GeneralAntilles> derf, the d-pad isn't great
Feb 26 17:50:57 <Navi> fbreaderupdate woo
Feb 26 17:50:58 <GeneralAntilles> but the controls are perfect for what it's got to work with.
Feb 26 17:51:10 <GeneralAntilles> Mouse look with the stylus, WASD -> d-pad
Feb 26 17:51:11 <Navi> glass, LIES
Feb 26 17:51:26 <Navi> the N-Gage's dpads are one of the best dpads I've ever used.
Feb 26 17:51:46 <Navi> oh, four way
Feb 26 17:51:48 <Navi> nevermind ^^
Feb 26 17:51:52 <SDuensin> I'm confused.  Navi used "N-Gage" and "best" in the same sentence.
Feb 26 17:52:15 <Zic> hmm, I'm asked me if it is possible to disable the "Nokia bootsplash" to have a verbose boot
Feb 26 17:52:18 <Navi> SDuensin, the N-Gage had it's flaws, but there were a few things good about it, namely, the D-Pad.
Feb 26 17:52:28 <Zic> like erase the "quiet splash" options in /boot/menu.lst
Feb 26 17:54:39 <GeneralAntilles> No, Zic.
Feb 26 17:54:56 <pupnik> wow the gimp can no longer set number of colors to save in a .gif ?
Feb 26 17:56:11 <pupnik> oh duh neverrmind
Feb 26 17:56:44 <Navi> :3
Feb 26 17:56:57 <glass> Navi: i liked classic ngages gamepad quite a bit.. the center action was still usable
Feb 26 17:57:15 <glass> Navi: but on other s60s the pads suck and they're electrically made self blocking..
Feb 26 17:57:34 <Navi> I hate center click buttons on any dpad/analog stick >_>
Feb 26 17:57:56 <pupnik> btw i might be able to get usb mouse support for 2 player action
Feb 26 17:58:16 <Navi> sexy
Feb 26 18:02:05 <czr> has something happened that people all of the sudden started downloading the maemo vmware image much more? (the torrent)
Feb 26 18:02:54 <Navi> czr, a plague of retardation has occurred.
Feb 26 18:03:12 <czr> Navi, just a plague? :-)
Feb 26 18:03:20 <Navi> Yes, just a plague.
Feb 26 18:03:36 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
Feb 26 18:03:41 <czr> a friend seeds about 80% of it and was wondering why there's all of the sudden much larger interest in it than normally.
Feb 26 18:04:19 <Navi> Well, let's check digg to see if something interesting has happened
Feb 26 18:05:44 <Navi> hrm
Feb 26 18:05:58 <Navi> modest doesn't handle massive amounts of email too well.
Feb 26 18:06:00 <GeneralAntilles> I bet it was just this channel.
Feb 26 18:06:19 <czr> GeneralAntilles, 49 peers.
Feb 26 18:06:20 <GeneralAntilles> Lot of people have been referred to it recently.
Feb 26 18:06:28 <Navi> GeneralAntilles, including you
Feb 26 18:06:53 <czr> ah. well. it's not my server, so I don't really mind :-)
Feb 26 18:06:53 <derf> I thought modest was supposed to be able to handle large inboxes?
Feb 26 18:07:15 <GeneralAntilles> For reasonable values of "large".
Feb 26 18:07:30 <Navi> It's supposed to work well on lower spec devices.  I only have 300 messages :P
Feb 26 18:07:31 <czr> 10k?
Feb 26 18:07:37 <derf> I mean, that was the reason the old mail client was completely unusuable for me. It would run out of RAM before it ever once successfully opened my inbox.
Feb 26 18:08:03 <derf> I consider "reasonable" to be 20K messages or so.
Feb 26 18:08:09 <Navi> Lol
Feb 26 18:08:25 <GeneralAntilles> That's obscenely large for most people.
Feb 26 18:08:27 * czr secretly admires derf
Feb 26 18:08:28 <Navi> Even my spam box on an account I had for ages never reached that high
Feb 26 18:08:43 <Navi> with spam pruning off
Feb 26 18:08:47 <czr> I have 7K in spambox. it's running with 20 day retention atm.
Feb 26 18:08:51 <derf> My smaller accounts only have 10K or so messages.
Feb 26 18:09:05 <Navi> christ
Feb 26 18:09:14 <derf> And that's after all the spam is filtered out.
Feb 26 18:09:27 <czr> derf, you count mailing lists?
Feb 26 18:09:31 <GeneralAntilles> ^
Feb 26 18:09:33 <GeneralAntilles> Just gonna ask that.
Feb 26 18:09:35 <czr> cause that's cheating.
Feb 26 18:09:41 <Navi> Very much so
Feb 26 18:09:42 <derf> czr: Only the ones I actually read.
Feb 26 18:10:06 <czr> well. still. :-). how many years worth of stuff do you have there?
Feb 26 18:10:06 <derf> Of course, if I don't read it, I don't subscribe to it.
Feb 26 18:10:29 <derf> Roughly 2? I keep losing hdds.
Feb 26 18:10:45 <czr> that's a lot then I guess.
Feb 26 18:11:44 <ulises> hello all
Feb 26 18:11:50 <derf> It's only around 60 real messages/day.
Feb 26 18:12:55 <Navi> You use modest with 20k messages?
Feb 26 18:13:02 <derf> No, I haven't tried it yet.
Feb 26 18:13:09 <Navi> >_>
Feb 26 18:13:11 <derf> I just use webmail.
Feb 26 18:13:30 <Navi> 20k would be too much anyways >_>
Feb 26 18:13:56 <fysa> it hurts.
Feb 26 18:14:48 <czr> I've cut down on emails. Not replying to people really helps in the long run.
Feb 26 18:15:03 <derf> I'm not sure why... even if you needed to keep 1K of data per message resident in RAM, that's only 20MB.
Feb 26 18:15:04 <GeneralAntilles> I don't really see the point of loading the whole archive into the tablet.
Feb 26 18:15:08 <GeneralAntilles> New messages are enough for me.
Feb 26 18:15:26 <derf> I find it _really_ helpful to be able to search old messages.
Feb 26 18:15:37 <derf> I use e-mail like an external memory.
Feb 26 18:16:06 <Navi> I use imap, I hate receiving new message signals on multiple devices
Feb 26 18:16:23 <dookdook> so freakin sweet
Feb 26 18:17:19 <derf> The little "Subject or Sender contains..." textbox in Seamonkey is basically the most awesome feature ever.
Feb 26 18:18:36 <Navi> s/imap/pop3/ >_>
Feb 26 18:18:52 <derf> Oh, that makes much more sense.
Feb 26 18:18:58 <czr> Navi, heh. was wondering :-)
Feb 26 18:19:05 <Navi> :P
Feb 26 18:19:13 <derf> I don't generally have things notify me if I have new mail.
Feb 26 18:19:23 <derf> The answer is always "yes".
Feb 26 18:19:46 <czr> you have autoresponder setup to answer all emails with "yes"? that's pretty cool :-)
Feb 26 18:19:47 <Navi> I wouldn't want to be notified if I were you anyways.
Feb 26 18:20:04 <derf> czr: Hah, I should do that for a week.
Feb 26 18:20:08 <derf> And see if anyone notices.
Feb 26 18:20:20 <czr> then switch to 'no' for the next week
Feb 26 18:20:30 <czr> actually. do a randomizing yes/no/maybe autoresponder.
Feb 26 18:20:36 <derf> yes/no/ask bob
Feb 26 18:20:40 <czr> heh
Feb 26 18:20:55 <czr> or, you could take it a step further and make an "alice"-style autoresponder.
Feb 26 18:21:04 <derf> I was thinking eliza.
Feb 26 18:21:14 <czr> hmm. same thing?
Feb 26 18:21:18 <derf> I assume.
Feb 26 18:21:21 * czr nods
Feb 26 18:21:30 <Navi> Want to fuck? "Yes" You're not afraid of fucking men? "No" So where should we meet? "ask bob"
Feb 26 18:21:40 <derf> Unless you were going for an alice/bob crypto reference, which would make no sense.
Feb 26 18:21:59 <czr> derf, could be. I'm tired. long day/other excuse. :-)
Feb 26 18:22:19 <czr> I mean the "why do you feel that blah blah"-generator.
Feb 26 18:22:53 <derf> That's the one.
Feb 26 18:23:10 <derf> Tell me about "why do you feel that blah blah"-generator.
Feb 26 18:25:04 <czr> heh
Feb 26 18:25:04 <dookdook> is gtk+ really light weight enough for use on the nokia?
Feb 26 18:25:17 <czr> dookdook, depends on whether you mean the tyres or the rubber boots
Feb 26 18:25:29 <czr> rubber boots generally survive pretty well with GTK+
Feb 26 18:26:02 <dookdook> um...you lost me
Feb 26 18:26:12 <Navi> gtk+ is a widget toolset, it's up to the developer whether or not it's light enough.
Feb 26 18:26:14 <czr> dookdook, yes.
Feb 26 18:26:29 <czr> dookdook, if GTK+ is used on the devices, then it must be good enough to be useful. right?
Feb 26 18:26:57 <czr> dookdook, also, nokia used to make car tyres (sold off to nokia tires) and rubber boots (discontinued)
Feb 26 18:26:58 <Navi> s/toolset/toolkit
Feb 26 18:27:41 <dookdook> i see...
Feb 26 18:27:58 <dookdook> yeah, i could have phrased the question better.  it was more a request for elaboration...
Feb 26 18:28:04 <dookdook> meaning, just how slow is gtk+...
Feb 26 18:28:14 <dookdook> (as opposed to straight x calls?)
Feb 26 18:28:59 <czr> it is slower.
Feb 26 18:29:11 <czr> "just how slow" means that you want to benchmark it.
Feb 26 18:29:20 <jku> why stop there. straight framebuffer for the win...
Feb 26 18:29:26 <Navi> Heh
Feb 26 18:29:44 <czr> jku, and if you restrict rendering to a nice 0x0 pixel rectangular off-screen area, it will be fastestest ever :-)
Feb 26 18:29:51 <Navi> XD
Feb 26 18:30:02 <Navi> Straight X calls fail at unification.
Feb 26 18:30:13 <czr> unification of what?
Feb 26 18:30:19 <Navi> of appearence
Feb 26 18:30:48 <czr> modify X only to suppor black and white and 2-pixel wide 90-degree lines then.
Feb 26 18:30:51 <czr> instant unification.
Feb 26 18:30:57 <Navi> Hrm, true
Feb 26 18:31:25 <Navi> Thank god for GTK+ though.
Feb 26 18:31:59 * czr coughs and hides
Feb 26 18:32:35 <SDuensin> What's the recommended way to upgrade the OS on my N800?  If I run the backup tool, reflash, and restore, is that enough?  Or am I going to lose things?
Feb 26 18:32:40 * Navi throws GTK+ widgets at czr
Feb 26 18:33:17 * czr feels the softness of g-object properties entangling his hair and curses slowly.
Feb 26 18:33:23 <mgedmin> SDuensin: you may need to reinstall apps
Feb 26 18:33:27 <mgedmin> after the restore
Feb 26 18:33:32 <Navi> XD
Feb 26 18:33:33 <jku> hah they are so slow it should be easy to duck
Feb 26 18:33:37 <mgedmin> I think the restore in OS2008 offers to reinstall them for you automatically
Feb 26 18:33:53 <mgedmin> but not if you made the backup with an older OS version
Feb 26 18:33:57 <SDuensin> But things like browser favorites and settings get backed up?
Feb 26 18:34:05 <SDuensin> I'm going from 2008 to the new 2008.
Feb 26 18:34:09 <mgedmin> yes...
Feb 26 18:34:09 <mgedmin> actually, there's a scary bug on maemo.org about restore failing to restore everything
Feb 26 18:34:12 * czr sends vista marketing material to all Navi's friends and adds a note saying "Enjoy! Navi" to each package
Feb 26 18:34:13 <mgedmin> I wasn't bitten by it
Feb 26 18:34:24 <Navi> OHSHI-
Feb 26 18:34:26 <czr> jku, massive aierial drag methinks.
Feb 26 18:34:28 <mgedmin> my OS2007 backup was restored on OS2008, and I never missed anything
Feb 26 18:34:50 <mgedmin> although there's a different bug where after my kind of restore bluetooth pairing with keyboards becomes difficult ;)
Feb 26 18:35:00 <SDuensin> Ok, guess I'll be brave and upgrade it.  :-)
Feb 26 18:35:12 <wzzrd> hi, does anyone here have a UK version of the N800?
Feb 26 18:35:53 <wzzrd> or at least can someone tell me the differences between the EU version and the UK version?
Feb 26 18:35:59 <mgedmin> is there a difference?
Feb 26 18:36:05 <wzzrd> i don't knw
Feb 26 18:36:23 <wzzrd> but I can buy a UK version relatively cheap and I live on the European mainland
Feb 26 18:36:24 <czr> the UK version smells funny.
Feb 26 18:36:37 <wzzrd> so I want to know (apart from the powerplug) what the differences are
Feb 26 18:37:02 <wzzrd> I mean: is the software different, can I load any Maemo image I like?
Feb 26 18:37:45 <mgedmin> power plug might be different
Feb 26 18:37:58 <mgedmin> the OS images are universal
Feb 26 18:38:03 <mgedmin> the same image used for all countries
Feb 26 18:38:13 <mgedmin> you choose the desired language & region while setting it up
Feb 26 18:38:39 <Navi> just the plug and manual in different places
Feb 26 18:38:59 <wzzrd> that is great news: the powerplug I can work around, but country specific firmware locked to certain hardware would have sucked
Feb 26 18:39:06 <mgedmin> is there a paper manual still?
Feb 26 18:39:15 <wzzrd> thanks! now I can *finally* get my N800!
Feb 26 18:39:17 <mgedmin> the OS image contains PDFs with the manual in several different languages
Feb 26 18:39:22 <wzzrd> woohoo! :-)
Feb 26 18:39:24 <eichi> hello
Feb 26 18:39:26 <Navi> Really?
Feb 26 18:39:33 <eichi> i have problems with my SD card extern
Feb 26 18:39:37 <mgedmin> I don't know about hardware differences limiting the wifi channels, for example
Feb 26 18:39:49 <eichi> i get the message, that the card is read only
Feb 26 18:39:58 <Navi> Yeah, region locked crap sucks.
Feb 26 18:40:00 <mgedmin> I've heard that the supported channels are different in US and Europe for wifi hardware
Feb 26 18:40:05 <wzzrd> mgedmin, that might be nasty
Feb 26 18:40:12 <Navi> eichi, flick the switch to make it read/write.
Feb 26 18:40:22 <eichi> "mount" give me RO option
Feb 26 18:40:22 <mgedmin> I think the EU versions have two extra channels not legal to use in the US
Feb 26 18:40:42 <Navi> mgedmin, that shouldn't be an issue
Feb 26 18:40:47 <eichi> Navi, ? i did not changed something on hardware
Feb 26 18:40:47 <mgedmin> right
Feb 26 18:40:59 <mgedmin> I was just trying to get an exhaustive list of possible regional differences
Feb 26 18:41:02 <Navi> as long as you don't buy a router that uses those channels :P
Feb 26 18:41:05 <Navi> ah
Feb 26 18:41:13 <Navi> eichi, on your SD card
Feb 26 18:41:15 <Navi> there is a switch
Feb 26 18:41:32 <Navi> with the contacts at the top, the switch should be on the side
Feb 26 18:41:39 <Navi> Oh
Feb 26 18:41:41 <Navi> wait
Feb 26 18:41:46 <wzzrd> i'll check google for county specific limitations on wifi channels
Feb 26 18:41:47 <Navi> eichi, N800 or N810?
Feb 26 18:41:57 <eichi> n800
Feb 26 18:42:01 <Navi> yeah
Feb 26 18:42:09 <eichi> the swith is on wr
Feb 26 18:42:20 <Navi> Up position, correct?
Feb 26 18:42:22 <eichi> there was no problem the last monts
Feb 26 18:42:43 <eichi> but then i got a error with meamo mapper and it doenst work anymore
Feb 26 18:43:00 <Navi> does your PC write to it fine?
Feb 26 18:43:01 <wzzrd> wikipedia only tells of differences between channels in the US and Europe / Japan
Feb 26 18:43:11 <wzzrd> I suppose Europe includes the UK here :)
Feb 26 18:43:17 <eichi> Navi, my n800 write it fine the last months
Feb 26 18:43:22 <eichi> i did not change anythink
Feb 26 18:43:26 <eichi> believe me
Feb 26 18:43:34 <eichi> k=g
Feb 26 18:43:38 <Navi> you UK people, just because you're an island...
Feb 26 18:43:45 <Navi> eichi, I believe you
Feb 26 18:44:00 <Navi> however, your SD card still could of developed problems.
Feb 26 18:44:18 <Navi> eichi, can you still write to it with any other devices?
Feb 26 18:44:29 <wzzrd> ok, I'm gonna order :) thanks navi and mgedmin
Feb 26 18:44:30 <eichi> i dont have any other sd devices
Feb 26 18:44:34 <GeneralAntilles> RO generally means it's corrupted.
Feb 26 18:45:01 <Navi> My friend broke his sd card switch once
Feb 26 18:45:04 <Navi> ^_^
Feb 26 18:45:16 <GeneralAntilles> SDuensin, don't forgot to re-enable Extras before restoring.
Feb 26 18:45:49 <SDuensin> Extras?
Feb 26 18:46:02 <Navi> I didn't know I had to enable extras, so I was thoroughly confused
Feb 26 18:46:08 <Navi> SDuensin, extras repository
Feb 26 18:46:17 <SDuensin> Oh.
Feb 26 18:46:49 <Navi> lunar linux?
Feb 26 18:48:07 <GeneralAntilles> http://lunar-linux.org/
Feb 26 18:48:25 <Navi> Yeah, I figured it out :P
Feb 26 18:48:27 <dookdook> sorry for the basic question...how do you get rid of the "get started" and "os2008 user site" things on the main desktop?
Feb 26 18:48:46 <GeneralAntilles> Tap the menu
Feb 26 18:48:51 <GeneralAntilles> Select Applets...
Feb 26 18:48:59 <GeneralAntilles> Go ahead and uninstall the flash tutorial from app manager, too.
Feb 26 18:49:20 <Navi> Go through the "Get Started" app to figure it out.
Feb 26 18:49:29 <Navi> </irony>
Feb 26 18:50:05 <dookdook> generalantilles, thanks
Feb 26 18:50:59 <SDuensin> As much as I despise Windows, the Nokia flash updater is pretty slick.
Feb 26 18:51:27 <jku> how so?
Feb 26 18:51:38 <koshi> Don't hate windows, just think of it as a sub-standard product
Feb 26 18:51:41 <SDuensin> Well, it works.  :-)
Feb 26 18:51:55 <GeneralAntilles> It has no features, though.
Feb 26 18:52:04 <GeneralAntilles> The Linux/OS X flashers you can actually do something with.
Feb 26 18:52:04 <Navi> What, the flasher?
Feb 26 18:52:10 <SDuensin> And I don't have to do anything.  No downloading, no selecting which ROM, nothing.  Just run it and go.
Feb 26 18:52:30 <Navi> Yeah, that's how Nokia designs all of their flashers
Feb 26 18:52:40 <koshi> SDuensin, you get apps like that in linux world as well, they are relatively rare as programmers make too many assumptions
Feb 26 18:52:49 <eichi> it isnt read only
Feb 26 18:53:00 * SDuensin is a big Linux fan, too.
Feb 26 18:53:02 <eichi> its a maemo mapper problem
Feb 26 18:53:09 <Navi> yay
Feb 26 18:53:21 <SDuensin> Actually, I'm currently installing a program with too many options.  :-)
Feb 26 18:53:31 <Navi> I like options
Feb 26 18:54:39 <koshi> Heh, I would't call myself a linux fan, I use it as the user interface is way nicer. If microsoft separated ui from the kernel, I would consider installing a windows.
Feb 26 18:55:26 <SDuensin> kortsi - "Windows Server Core" has no UI.
Feb 26 18:55:50 <koshi> No UI is also bad, their shell really sucks big time...
Feb 26 18:56:20 <Navi> powershell is a powered shell
Feb 26 18:57:39 <SDuensin> PowerShell isn't too bad.  Too bad it's so glued to M$ technologies.  I hate single-platform "solutions".
Feb 26 18:58:06 <Navi> hrm
Feb 26 18:58:10 <Navi> can fbreader do pdf?
Feb 26 18:58:13 <koshi> Hmmh, interesting never seen it before, but that still leaves their horrid ui there :) Generally when was using windows, rarely had issues with the actual OS. More programs that fail.
Feb 26 18:58:21 <SDuensin> Navi - Not yet.
Feb 26 18:58:32 <Navi> Damn, there goes part of it's usefulness
Feb 26 18:58:36 <SDuensin> Navi - I wish it did.  The included PDF reader is...lacking.
Feb 26 18:58:53 <koshi> Whats wrong with included pdf reader? It seems alright
Feb 26 18:58:56 <gomia2> .
Feb 26 18:59:14 <Navi> Not as feature-packed as fbreader
Feb 26 18:59:22 <SDuensin> koshi - No bookmark support, doesn't remember your horizontal position when you change pages.  That's my big two beefs.
Feb 26 19:00:10 <koshi> Ah so your right, I do like book marks.
Feb 26 19:00:35 <SDuensin> Drives me nuts to have to re-center the page when the page changes, too.
Feb 26 19:00:46 <SDuensin> (The novel I'm reading has wide margins.)
Feb 26 19:00:53 <GeneralAntilles> Evince for PDFs.
Feb 26 19:00:57 <Navi> You guys use the built in rss reader, or is there something better?
Feb 26 19:01:03 <SDuensin> Evince?
Feb 26 19:01:13 <Navi> gnome PDF reader
Feb 26 19:01:21 <dookdook> is there, like, a to-do list of software wanted for the nokia?
Feb 26 19:01:28 <koshi> Oh yeah only briefly looked before
Feb 26 19:01:31 <GeneralAntilles> Somewhere on ITT.
Feb 26 19:01:38 <GeneralAntilles> Used to be a wiki page for it.
Feb 26 19:01:45 <Navi> a lot of it is games.
Feb 26 19:01:45 * GeneralAntilles kinda misses the old maemo software wiki.
Feb 26 19:02:16 <SDuensin> GeneralAntilles - So build us one!  :-)
Feb 26 19:02:45 <GeneralAntilles> Eh, we still have the maemo wiki.
Feb 26 19:02:47 <Navi> GeneralAntilles, yeah, doo eet
Feb 26 19:02:51 <GeneralAntilles> All the software has moved to Downloads/Garage.
Feb 26 19:03:01 <GeneralAntilles> It used to be one big page of software, though.
Feb 26 19:03:10 <GeneralAntilles> So you'd load it up and look for screenshots of new applications. :D
Feb 26 19:05:20 <koshi> dookdook, think that list would be massive ;)
Feb 26 19:13:14 <Navi> on the top of the list for many would be PIM software that could sync to their crappy proprietary software
Feb 26 19:14:43 <SDuensin> Still nothing out there that's as fast and easy to use as the PalmOS PIM stuff.  Not even Garnet.  :-(
Feb 26 19:14:47 <X-Fade_> GeneralAntilles: You can always look at all applications in one big list here: http://maemo.org/downloads/list/OS2008/all
Feb 26 19:15:06 <MangoFusion> what about web based stuff + google gears?
Feb 26 19:15:07 <GeneralAntilles> I was being nostalgic. :P
Feb 26 19:15:17 <SDuensin> DoH!  /all!   Been looking for that!
Feb 26 19:15:45 <X-Fade_> SDuensin: It didn't exist until yesterday ;)
Feb 26 19:16:10 <lcuk> i think microsoft office outlook professional 2007 architects arse wiping edition is the best in the world    (tho for some reason i keep most of my important pim data in notepad)
Feb 26 19:16:31 <SDuensin> MS LookOut?  Are you MAD?  :-P
Feb 26 19:17:13 <lcuk> hey, dont knock it, it managed to lock away emails in a proprietary format quicker than anything else out there
Feb 26 19:17:21 <SDuensin> hehehe
Feb 26 19:17:31 * lcuk remembers trying to export emails from outlook
Feb 26 19:17:49 <lcuk> you can get at everything apart from the important stuff -> ANY date fields
Feb 26 19:17:53 <Navi> I need to give Google Gears a try
Feb 26 19:18:36 <Navi> Google Calendar beats out a lot of calendaring software
Feb 26 19:18:58 <lcuk> when linked with gmail its the dogs
Feb 26 19:19:45 <jku> lcuk same with calendar data exporting...
Feb 26 19:20:20 <jku> it's like the outlook developers actually put considerable effort to have export formats that look fine on the outside but are totally unusable
Feb 26 19:20:28 <lcuk> lol jku, you are shitting me?   i thought it was just braindead in the mail dept.  i had to create a database and tell *spit* access to IMPORT data by pointing it at an imap folder
Feb 26 19:21:50 <jku> admittedly it was several years back
Feb 26 19:22:09 <lcuk> this was last friday - i wanted to export all my spam (i reached 10,000 again)
Feb 26 19:22:27 <dookdook> does someone know where i can get the source for the virtual keyboard?  or any other test program for keyboard input?  (i saw the hebrew thing...is that the only one?)
Feb 26 19:23:42 <lcuk> dookdook, the source is not available from what i understand, but people have implimented other boards for their purposes, which framework (x11/gtk etc) are you wanting it for and people might be able to guide you
Feb 26 19:24:15 <dookdook> i'd be interested in any/all frameworks
Feb 26 19:24:47 <dookdook> i'm talking about using it as a replacement keyboard, not just some keyboard input local to an application...
Feb 26 19:26:00 <Navi> hrm
Feb 26 19:26:10 <Navi> my N800 locked while installing pengupop
Feb 26 19:26:18 <Navi> great >_>
Feb 26 19:26:22 <mgedmin> just wait
Feb 26 19:26:26 <mgedmin> writes to flash memory are slow
Feb 26 19:26:32 <Navi> mmk
Feb 26 19:26:33 <mgedmin> and every now and then it has to stop and run the garbage collector
Feb 26 19:26:42 <mgedmin> which is even slower ;)
Feb 26 19:26:50 <lcuk> im not sure then, "Bring out your dead!"
Feb 26 19:26:53 <mgedmin> if it's still stuck after 15 minutes, then worry
Feb 26 19:26:59 <lcuk> -im not sure then,
Feb 26 19:27:04 * Navi starts the timer
Feb 26 19:27:33 <mgedmin> well, 15 minutes is an exaggeration
Feb 26 19:27:34 <lcuk> 15 mins is a helluva timer
Feb 26 19:27:36 <mgedmin> 1.5 minutes ir more likely
Feb 26 19:27:43 <Navi> :P
Feb 26 19:27:52 * achadwick returns with chilli beef and Oxford ring road cycle path traces
Feb 26 19:28:05 * mgedmin tries to interpret 0xford as a hex number
Feb 26 19:28:31 <Navi> yeah, I think it's stuck
Feb 26 19:28:56 <mgedmin> real computers have the advantage of a noisy hard disk to indicate that they're busy
Feb 26 19:28:58 <lcuk> does anything work at all
Feb 26 19:29:08 <Navi> I hear sound while tapping the stylus
Feb 26 19:29:23 <lcuk> is screen blank or stuck
Feb 26 19:29:23 <Navi> and I can do that see-through-child-window dealie
Feb 26 19:29:25 <mgedmin> which is why I'm unable to use a n800 without a cpu usage applet
Feb 26 19:29:37 <Navi> The cpu usage applet is stuck
Feb 26 19:29:53 <mgedmin> at 0% or at 100%?
Feb 26 19:29:59 <Navi> at not moving at all.
Feb 26 19:30:00 <lcuk> have you got any fullscreen apps running at the moment
Feb 26 19:30:05 <Navi> no
Feb 26 19:30:17 <lcuk> oooer
Feb 26 19:30:30 <achadwick> Memory is the annoyance on this n810.
Feb 26 19:30:38 <lcuk> try giving a poke on your power button see if the overlord menu pops up, or try locking it
Feb 26 19:30:47 <Navi> nope
Feb 26 19:30:54 <achadwick> I suggest waiting for a min or 2
Feb 26 19:31:07 <Navi> I've waited for four
Feb 26 19:31:14 <Navi> five
Feb 26 19:31:20 <lcuk> short minutes
Feb 26 19:31:22 <lcuk> :P
Feb 26 19:31:39 <Navi> says the irc timestamps
Feb 26 19:32:25 * Navi wonders if he can still ssh into it
Feb 26 19:32:35 <GeneralAntilles> Hit it with a stick!
Feb 26 19:33:25 <Navi> It's locked, can't even ssh into it
Feb 26 19:33:30 <mgedmin> meh,
Feb 26 19:33:33 <mgedmin> wait 30 minutes
Feb 26 19:33:33 * Navi proceeds to pulling out the battery
Feb 26 19:33:40 <mgedmin> if it's still dead, do something
Feb 26 19:33:52 <mgedmin> if it ran out of ram, it may be thrashing for a while yet
Feb 26 19:33:55 <Navi> s/pulling/pull/
Feb 26 19:33:59 <mgedmin> creating a swap file helps
Feb 26 19:34:04 <Navi> I'm using a 128MB swap
Feb 26 19:34:07 <mgedmin> ah
Feb 26 19:34:10 <Navi> it restarted on it's own
Feb 26 19:34:12 <Navi> lmao
Feb 26 19:34:16 <mgedmin> watchdog, probably
Feb 26 19:34:19 <Navi> that saves me some trouble
Feb 26 19:34:24 <mgedmin> or oom-killer killed something
Feb 26 19:34:33 <mgedmin> what were you trying to install?
Feb 26 19:34:42 <Navi> pengupop
Feb 26 19:35:01 <lcuk> nokipop
Feb 26 19:35:03 <mgedmin> it's funny-sad when the CPU watchdog reboots the device while it's running the filesystem garbage collector *at boot time*
Feb 26 19:35:26 <Navi> lol*cry
Feb 26 19:37:03 <Navi> huh, Street Fighter IV is already ready for localization tests
Feb 26 19:37:34 * Navi is slightly happier
Feb 26 19:41:56 <BugBlue> 20:34 < BugBlue> I got asterisk recording video from the N810
Feb 26 19:41:56 <BugBlue> 20:34 < BugBlue> however playback is still broken
Feb 26 19:42:14 <lcuk> :O bugblue, you are time travelling
Feb 26 19:42:50 <BugBlue> not really....
Feb 26 19:42:53 <BugBlue> GSM+1 :-)
Feb 26 19:42:57 <BugBlue> GMT+1
Feb 26 19:43:11 * Navi tries to install pengupop again
Feb 26 19:43:26 <Navi> ooh, asterisk
Feb 26 19:44:21 <Navi> nothing like a good open source PBX program.
Feb 26 19:46:16 <BugBlue> Navi: very nice stuff
Feb 26 19:46:23 <BugBlue> however at the moment I have just 1 N810 to play with
Feb 26 19:46:34 <BugBlue> time for one extra for this kind of tricks
Feb 26 19:46:37 <Navi> :3
Feb 26 19:46:48 <BugBlue> and asterisk 1.6 isn't that "well" documented
Feb 26 19:54:42 <aquatix> evening all
Feb 26 19:58:50 <Navi> evening
Feb 26 19:58:59 <Navi> s/evening/afternoon/
Feb 26 19:58:59 <infobot> Navi meant: afternoon
Feb 26 20:01:40 <aquatix> i know the sed commands ;)
Feb 26 20:04:16 <apple2> Has someone tried to compile enlightenment e17 for a 770?
Feb 26 20:04:34 <Navi> I doubt it, just a bit.
Feb 26 20:04:50 <Navi> odd
Feb 26 20:05:17 <apple2> well it compiles fine but segfaults when trying to run on the device
Feb 26 20:05:30 <apple2> I suppose its not a big problem
Feb 26 20:05:54 <apple2> but can't figure out what it is
Feb 26 20:11:22 <fysa> check dependencies
Feb 26 20:15:01 <lcuk> e17: Error, Unexpected device found, please install me onto a big computer ;)
Feb 26 20:15:46 <lcuk> oh FUCK
Feb 26 20:16:17 <lcuk> i just popped a bottle top off a beer (using a screwdriver) and its just wedged itself into the wall on the other side of the room
Feb 26 20:16:20 <lcuk> :O
Feb 26 20:17:43 <aquatix> lcuk: :)
Feb 26 20:18:04 <aquatix> lcuk: better than marinating your device in the liquid ;)
Feb 26 20:19:02 <lcuk> lol yer. i bet i couldnt do that again with a bootle top, it pinged and got caught way over ^^^^^^ there
Feb 26 20:29:56 <edistar_> how do I quickly compile some source for OS 2007?
Feb 26 20:30:30 <tubtub> hi all. I have set up my n810 to mount over nfs. But it seems that when I power it up I have to insmod the g_ether.ko module before I plug in the usb else it does the usb_storage thing. Anyone know how to ensure usb networking gets priority?
Feb 26 20:30:33 <Navi> boot up the vmware image and compile
Feb 26 20:42:46 <BugBlue> HAE
Feb 26 20:42:57 <BugBlue> I got video working from the N810 to Xmeeting on my mac via asterisk sip
Feb 26 20:44:11 <Navi> cool
Feb 26 20:44:18 <GnutoN810> hi
Feb 26 20:45:15 <tubtub> hi Gnuto N810
Feb 26 20:46:49 <GnutoN810> hey tubtub
Feb 26 20:47:19 <tubtub> How are things? Up to much?
Feb 26 20:50:50 <BugBlue> bad thing [tm].. I first have to enable video else it won't work...
Feb 26 20:50:59 <BugBlue> click call, click video on, wait for an answer
Feb 26 20:56:12 <BugBlue> oke :D
Feb 26 20:56:20 <BugBlue> it works together with windows messenger 5.1 too!
Feb 26 21:05:44 <GnutoN810> BugBlue, are you using amsn or pidgin?
Feb 26 22:27:40 <BugBlue> GnutoN810: no I'm using the sip protocol. meaning windows messenger 5.1 which does sip
Feb 26 22:28:00 <BugBlue> GnutoN810: I'm *not* doing video over msn
Feb 26 22:28:27 <BugBlue> my guts tell me that that is way more difficult
Feb 26 22:31:49 <GnutoN810> ah, ok
Feb 26 22:34:14 <||cw> BugBlue: well, sip is just an initiator, how difficult the rest is depends on the protocol actually used
Feb 26 22:44:48 <BugBlue> cw: h263p for video and ulaw (orf alaw) for audio
Feb 26 22:45:12 <BugBlue> now I need to code video support for the SL75wlan siemens voip wlan phone
Feb 26 22:45:35 <BugBlue> and some more crap so I can dialin to mjpeg security cams
Feb 26 22:45:37 <BugBlue> zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Feb 26 23:04:15 <cbx33> Hey guys
Feb 26 23:04:23 <johnx> hi
Feb 26 23:04:40 <cbx33> anyone know if you can get hold of the information from the light sensor on the n810
Feb 26 23:05:26 <johnx> yup, there is a light meter app at nitapps.com
Feb 26 23:11:23 <cbx33> oh it just cats a file
Feb 26 23:12:59 <cbx33> cool
Feb 26 23:13:13 <cbx33> can you cahgne the brightness
Feb 26 23:13:26 <johnx> that gets more tricky
Feb 26 23:13:39 <cbx33> was thinking of hooking the two together
Feb 26 23:14:02 <johnx> you can change the brightness just by echo'ing a number to another file under /sys
Feb 26 23:14:12 <cbx33> that's what I want
Feb 26 23:14:28 <johnx> ...but then the Nokia program that listens to the light meter will change it back when it feels like it
Feb 26 23:14:39 <cbx33> the screen brightness?
Feb 26 23:14:44 <johnx> yes
Feb 26 23:14:46 <cbx33> oh
Feb 26 23:14:51 <Navi> pah
Feb 26 23:14:55 <cbx33> I didn't think it changed the screen
Feb 26 23:15:02 <cbx33> it changes keyboard leds
Feb 26 23:15:17 <cbx33> In high light conditions, I want my screen brighter
Feb 26 23:15:22 <johnx> ah, I don't have an N810 so this is just AFAIK
Feb 26 23:15:27 <cbx33> ahh ok
Feb 26 23:15:36 <cbx33> johnx: you know the name of that file
Feb 26 23:15:36 <cbx33> ?
Feb 26 23:15:51 <johnx> no, but I can look it up easily :)
Feb 26 23:16:05 <cbx33> hehe
Feb 26 23:16:52 <cbx33> oh you may be riht
Feb 26 23:16:59 <cbx33> http://blog.locationist.net/2008/01/11/n810-and-the-adaptive-screen/
Feb 26 23:17:10 <GnutoN810> night
Feb 26 23:17:31 <johnx> cat /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/panel/backlight_level
Feb 26 23:18:39 <cbx33> thanks johnx
Feb 26 23:18:45 <johnx> sure
Feb 26 23:22:05 <cbx33> hmmmm
Feb 26 23:22:13 <cbx33> it does seem to repond to the light
Feb 26 23:22:16 <Navi> Anyone try out KOrganizer in the Garage yet?
Feb 26 23:22:18 <cbx33> but it's a little slow
Feb 26 23:22:40 <cbx33> http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/?p=496 - anyone got any ideas ;)
Feb 26 23:23:18 <Navi> Haha, lame
Feb 26 23:23:45 <cbx33> heheh
Feb 26 23:23:48 <Navi> Reminds me, I need to get my N800 into USB host
Feb 26 23:23:58 <cbx33> Navi: now that's always fun
Feb 26 23:24:11 <cbx33> anyone know about the risks of usb host?
Feb 26 23:25:12 <cbx33> as in drawing too much power
Feb 26 23:28:10 <Navi> woo hoo
Feb 26 23:29:36 <johnx> cbx33, I don't think it's terribly dangerous to draw too much power. I'm pretty sure the N8x0 just won't deliver the power if the device tries to draw too much
Feb 26 23:30:00 <Navi> hrm
Feb 26 23:30:17 <johnx> you could check threads on internettablettalk.com/forums and see if anyone managed to fry their N8x0 by connecting it to a device that wanted too much
Feb 26 23:30:41 <Navi> now I only need a USB keyboard to carry around in my backpack, unless there's a bluetooth keyboard that I can happen to get under five bucks :P
Feb 26 23:30:57 * Navi isn't holding out for hope
Feb 26 23:31:25 <johnx> I'll look for a nice small/cheap usb keyboard this weekend
Feb 26 23:32:00 <johnx> I think I have a good shot at something reasonable
Feb 26 23:32:34 <jott> http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.3060 hmm i wonder if something like this could easily be modified to serve as an usb power injector..
Feb 26 23:33:36 <johnx> could you just use it with a Y-cable?
Feb 26 23:34:06 <Navi> use a powered usb hub :P
Feb 26 23:34:18 <johnx> ac powered or battery powered?
Feb 26 23:34:38 <Navi> either :P
Feb 26 23:34:39 <Navi> http://www.nextag.com/usb-foldable-keyboard/search-html
Feb 26 23:34:58 <Navi> I'm out
Feb 26 23:35:03 <johnx> 'later
Feb 26 23:35:12 <johnx> hopefully I'll find a smaller keyboard this weekend :)
Feb 26 23:35:20 <jott> are there any usable battery powered usb hubs available?
Feb 26 23:35:30 <johnx> also, the battery powered hub I have doesn't provide enough juice
Feb 26 23:35:42 <jott> i mean using a ac powered hub would be just nuts for mobile applications ;)
Feb 26 23:36:10 <johnx> well, I can tell you the one from cyberpower doesn't provide enough juice to run a 1.8" hard drive
Feb 26 23:36:46 <SDuensin> You guys see the tiny little 12G hard drive TigerDirect has?  I was wondering if it'd work on the 800.
Feb 26 23:36:46 <jott> hm yeah thats why i thought of using some usb backup pack :)
Feb 26 23:37:03 <jott> and esp. something that can easily be recharged
Feb 26 23:37:24 <jott> SDuensin: probably with a power injector :P
Feb 26 23:37:25 <johnx> SDuensin, is it cheaper than a 16GB USB flash stick?
Feb 26 23:37:35 <SDuensin> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3528019&CatId=2424
Feb 26 23:38:00 <SDuensin> Figured it's survive rewrites a lot better than flash.
Feb 26 23:38:20 <johnx> I've killed exactly one SD card from what I assume were too many writes
Feb 26 23:38:40 <johnx> because I used it as the rootfs on my zaurus and swapped heavily to it
Feb 26 23:38:46 <johnx> for over 6 months
Feb 26 23:39:08 <johnx> in any other circumstance I don't think it will be much of a problem
Feb 26 23:39:15 <jott> i really doubt a portable hdd (with moving parts) lives much longer than a flash medium
Feb 26 23:39:27 <SDuensin> Probably true.
Feb 26 23:39:33 <johnx> and even now, I'm not sure that "too many writes" is what killed it
Feb 26 23:39:48 <jott> johnx: do some stress tests and find out ;)
Feb 26 23:39:59 <johnx> sure, donate me a card :P
Feb 26 23:40:29 <jott> hehe i think i actually have some 128mb card somewhere that could be used .. ;)
Feb 26 23:40:35 <johnx> newegg has 16GB usb sticks from $70...
Feb 26 23:41:09 <johnx> actually, smaller cards will probably die quicker than bigger cards...or at least I would assume so
Feb 26 23:41:17 <jott> pf still looking for a tiny micro usb - usb a adapter :/
Feb 26 23:41:46 <SDuensin> I keep looking at the 16G A-DATA cards on NewEgg.  People reporting they work fine in the 800.  32G of space would be sweeeeet.
Feb 26 23:43:34 <By_Turkey> www.MircAlemTR.com    < -   < -  < -     Turkey GirLs  Chat Channel .
Feb 26 23:52:04 <briand> SDuensin: if you have some spare cash lying around, just wait a month.  The 32G cards are due out in March...  reported to be ~ $300 retail.
Feb 26 23:52:22 <SDuensin> Egads.
Feb 26 23:52:33 <briand> ..and, if 32G is sweet, 64 should be even sweeter!
Feb 26 23:52:41 <SDuensin> I'm having trouble justifying anything more than 2G - not filled that yet!
Feb 26 23:52:43 <SDuensin> :-)
Feb 26 23:52:52 <briand> seriously, though.. I wouldn't be surprised to see the 16G card prices drop a bit after the 32G cards come out
Feb 26 23:53:10 <SDuensin> I think my next additions to the 800 will be a screen protector, a nicer case, and a keyboard.
Feb 26 23:53:26 <johnx> another 2GB - 4GB card would be nice
Feb 26 23:53:33 <johnx> that and a keyboard :)
Feb 26 23:53:38 <SDuensin> Not found a case I like yet and the keyboards I find are either waaay to geeky or large.
Feb 26 23:54:08 <johnx> well, I'll go shopping this weekend and hope I find something good
Feb 26 23:54:18 <SDuensin> :-)
Feb 26 23:54:48 <SDuensin> Ever see the "laser" keyboards?  Super cool, but man, super geeky.  I just can't see whippin' that out in a resturant.
Feb 26 23:55:10 <johnx> And you couldn't do anything with it on anything but a perfectly flat surface
Feb 26 23:55:24 <jott> SDuensin: hehe you need some geeky glasses with white leds for that too :P
Feb 26 23:55:42 <SDuensin> johnx - Yea.  Surface can't vary more than 2mm.
Feb 26 23:56:02 <johnx> yeah...that's not gonna be to helpful to me I think
Feb 26 23:56:22 <SDuensin> Be hard for me to use on the couch, that's for sure.
Feb 26 23:56:23 <jott> yeah just use the good old foldable keyboards :)
Feb 26 23:56:32 <jott> still need to get a bluetooth one..
Feb 26 23:56:42 <SDuensin> Me too.
Feb 26 23:56:42 <johnx> hopefully I can find a small keyboard (I know I've seen one around in stores around here)...and then I'll try and figure out a way to attach the N800 to it
Feb 26 23:57:28 <johnx> maybe go to a hardware store and find some type of metal bracket and attach it at an angle
Feb 26 23:58:15 <SDuensin> Any truth to the rumor that Nokia has another model in the works?
Feb 26 23:58:23 <briand> I'm using an HP case (don't know what it was originally for) that holds the n800 quite nicely.  clips to my belt, and there's a couple spots to slip in 2 extra SD cards, too
Feb 26 23:58:55 <johnx> SDuensin, well I'd be willing to bet they're working on something, but I have no idea what it is or when it will come out
Feb 26 23:59:12 <briand> johnx - if you build or buy an OTG adapter (there's a guy in canada, jolouis, selling them on the forum), you can plug in any USB keyboard and use it.
Feb 26 23:59:32 <johnx> ...as long as it doesn't want too much power
Feb 26 23:59:56 <briand> right.  but most keyboards will work, as well as snagging photos from your digital camera, etc
Feb 27 00:00:06 <johnx> and my goal is to find something nice and small and cheap, which makes things a little more difficult
Feb 27 00:00:26 <briand> heheh.. true.  let me know what you find.  I may be interested as well
Feb 27 00:00:41 <johnx> I can't see trying to use a full-sized usb keyboard on the train :)
Feb 27 00:00:51 <cbx33> anyone got to control the LED yet?
Feb 27 00:01:00 <jott> johnx: why not use a bluetooth foldable one? :)
Feb 27 00:01:10 <cbx33> i saw this http://www.google.com/notebook/public/08895672815650307022/BDSTgIgoQ3tW9iP0i
Feb 27 00:01:15 <briand> cbx33: there's a plugin for Pidgen that uses the LED to flash when you have a new IM
Feb 27 00:01:24 <johnx> I'm thinking about it. Shipping might be kind of expensive :/
Feb 27 00:01:28 <cbx33> but the bits at the bottom of he screen don't work
Feb 27 00:01:33 <cbx33> maybe I have to be root?
Feb 27 00:01:41 <jott> you can control the led via dbus..
Feb 27 00:02:01 <cbx33> jott: so I thought
Feb 27 00:02:07 <johnx> SDuensin, The consensus seems to be that the WiMax tablet will be the next thing released and that will be soonish. Beyond that I'm sure they're working on something, but no one knows what or when it will be except Nokia
Feb 27 00:02:09 <jott> but i also wondered how to control it directly
Feb 27 00:02:26 <cbx33> I'm sure it must be a proc interface
Feb 27 00:02:37 <johnx> there's a file in /sys but I don't know what you need to echo to it
Feb 27 00:02:39 <jott> sure but the mce stuff will might take over..
Feb 27 00:02:57 <cbx33> jott: indeed
Feb 27 00:02:58 <jott> /sys/devices/platform/i2c_omap.2/i2c-0/0-0032
Feb 27 00:02:58 <jott> hmm
Feb 27 00:03:06 <cbx33> yeh I saw that
Feb 27 00:03:07 <SDuensin> whoa:  http://store.cellularsurge.com/pcbtkeyboard.html
Feb 27 00:03:14 <cbx33> would be fun
Feb 27 00:03:15 <dphil9000> at the moment evdo > wimax
Feb 27 00:03:59 <jott> hm $35 sounds reasonable :)
Feb 27 00:04:05 <SDuensin> Sounds damn cheap.
Feb 27 00:04:07 <johnx> SDuensin, that looks nice.
Feb 27 00:04:14 <johnx> shipping will be the killer for me
Feb 27 00:04:41 <johnx> SDuensin, out of stock. :|
Feb 27 00:04:45 <cbx33> is |tbb| ever around?
Feb 27 00:04:54 <johnx> he is from time to time
Feb 27 00:05:01 <jott> yeah.. here too .. and 35+sh > 22 euro which means customs want extra money :/
Feb 27 00:05:02 <cbx33> apparently he's played with the leds
Feb 27 00:05:07 <SDuensin> Then try here:  http://sepharus-store.stores.yahoo.net/pcbtkeyboard.html
Feb 27 00:05:08 <SDuensin> :-)
Feb 27 00:05:25 <dphil9000> the iGo Stowaway KB was nice
Feb 27 00:05:34 <jott> cbx33: kernel-source-rx-34-2.6.21.0/drivers/i2c/chip/lp5521.c
Feb 27 00:05:39 <cbx33> * |tbb| is playing with more color led from n810, really funny, combinating diffrent modes
Feb 27 00:05:39 <dphil9000> until they stopped making it last month
Feb 27 00:05:50 <cbx33> on 26th of Jan this year
Feb 27 00:06:01 <jott> cbx33: well if you modify the ini you can get nice effects that can be activated via dbus
Feb 27 00:06:07 <jott> thats more or less straight forward
Feb 27 00:06:18 <cbx33> how are they activated via dbus?
Feb 27 00:06:24 <jott> but you could not use it as a vu-meter for example
Feb 27 00:06:25 <johnx> ahaha...that has a *random* selection of stuff
Feb 27 00:06:28 <cbx33> jott: got that command to hand?
Feb 27 00:06:33 <jott> cbx33: hold on ..yeah..
Feb 27 00:06:34 <cbx33> jott: no of course
Feb 27 00:06:37 <cbx33> thanks jott
Feb 27 00:07:57 <jott> self.mce = dbus.SystemBus().get_object('com.nokia.mce', '/com/nokia/mce/request')   self.mce.req_led_pattern_activate("PatternError") <- or anything else self.mce.req_led_pattern_deactivate("PatternError")
Feb 27 00:08:01 <jott> in python
Feb 27 00:09:07 <jott> (or just map this to the dbus-send .. or what ever you want to use to talk to dbus)
Feb 27 00:09:25 <cbx33> yeh
Feb 27 00:09:26 <cbx33> thanks
Feb 27 00:09:36 <cbx33> right I'm off for the night
Feb 27 00:09:41 <cbx33> see ya later guys
Feb 27 00:09:42 <cbx33> ;)
Feb 27 00:09:45 <jott> later :)
Feb 27 00:09:51 <cbx33> thanks for all the help jott
Feb 27 00:09:59 <jott> you're welcome..
Feb 27 00:10:01 <SDuensin> You people keep costing me money.  :-)
Feb 27 00:13:26 <jott> haha funny defines in the led driver :) #ifdef LED_CONNECTED_WRONG
Feb 27 00:14:10 <johnx> I still love the kernel config option that goes something like CONFIG_MEM_PEEK_N_POKE :)
Feb 27 00:14:21 <^Jsn^> my n810 came in about 10 mins ago!  Man this thing is sweet! I didn't realize how thin it really is
Feb 27 00:14:23 <jott> aaah nice
Feb 27 00:14:38 <jott> echo direct > /sys/devices/platform/i2c_omap.2/i2c-0/0-0032/mode
Feb 27 00:14:54 <jott> echo ff:ff:00 > /sys/devices/platform/i2c_omap.2/i2c-0/0-0032/color
Feb 27 00:15:07 <jott> that's what you get for reading the source code ;)
Feb 27 00:15:17 <^Jsn^> i'm guessing that the first thing i need to do is update the Firmware.  Can this be done threw the net on the device, or do i need to download it and install it off of my laptop?
Feb 27 00:15:42 <johnx> probably easiest to install it from your laptop
Feb 27 00:15:50 <jott> hmm purple looks nice :)
Feb 27 00:15:54 <johnx> jott, very cool
Feb 27 00:16:06 * jott is off to write some nice color effects :)
Feb 27 00:16:54 <jott> ("run" is the default mode btw)
Feb 27 00:17:14 <^Jsn^> anyone have a link for updating the firmware and OS for the n810?
Feb 27 00:17:31 <johnx> does your laptop run windows, linux or mac os x?
Feb 27 00:17:36 <^Jsn^> vista
Feb 27 00:18:20 * SDuensin would answer, "Yes".
Feb 27 00:18:24 <johnx> ^Jsn^, http://europe.nokia.com/A4678158
Feb 27 00:18:38 <^Jsn^> thanks
Feb 27 00:18:46 <johnx> second link on a google search for update n810 software :)
Feb 27 00:24:06 <^Jsn^> I've been reading about linux and the use of repositories, is there one main repository that I should use?  I know that it says to delete all of your current repositories before installing new ones to ensure that you don't have doubles?
Feb 27 00:25:39 <johnx> where does it say that?
Feb 27 00:26:12 <^Jsn^> it was in a tutorial that i read at internettabletschool.com
Feb 27 00:26:16 <johnx> hmm
Feb 27 00:26:41 <johnx> but actually the repository situation for the Nokia tablets is a little confusing. There is a somewhat main repository called "Extras" that's included in application manager but not enabled by default
Feb 27 00:27:02 <johnx> enabling that will get you access to a lot of good software that is relatively stable and known to work well together
Feb 27 00:28:23 <^Jsn^> how do you enable that?  i'm in application manager now
Feb 27 00:28:49 <johnx> menu -> tools -> application catalog...
Feb 27 00:29:00 <johnx> look for 'maemo extras', hit edit, uncheck disable
Feb 27 00:31:02 <Xxaxx> hello:)
Feb 27 00:31:12 <johnx> hi Xxaxx
Feb 27 00:31:13 <^Jsn^> got it, thanks a lot
Feb 27 00:31:50 <Xxaxx> how can I turn off virtual keyboard gestures?
Feb 27 00:32:39 <johnx> ^Jsn^, downloads.maemo.org has a good list of software as well and most of it included a "click to install" link which adds any necessary repositories and automatically installs the software
Feb 27 00:32:40 <sadam> does anyone know who's responsible for the maemo.modules file for jhbuild in svn?
Feb 27 00:39:55 <lcuk> johnx, i bet there isnt a whats new page for that app list is there
Feb 27 00:40:54 <johnx> on downloads.maemo.org?
Feb 27 00:41:02 <johnx> well there's that little "fresh" section
Feb 27 00:41:03 <lcuk> i just noticed - there is,
Feb 27 00:41:34 <lcuk> i always end up in the lists for a section thinking ive seen half of these
Feb 27 00:42:32 <johnx> oh wow, the nuvo pearl theme looks really slick
Feb 27 00:54:39 <koshi> Xxaxx,On n810 you can do so in the control panel text input settings
Feb 27 00:55:32 <Xxaxx> why only on n810? isn't os's the same?
Feb 27 00:55:38 <Xxaxx> os2008
Feb 27 00:55:54 <^Jsn^> johnx:  do you have a url to that theme?
Feb 27 00:56:04 <johnx> it's on downloads.maemo.org
Feb 27 00:56:09 <^Jsn^> ok
Feb 27 00:56:26 <johnx> it works fine, but after using it for a bit it doesn't seem completely finished
Feb 27 00:56:27 <koshi> I don't have any experience with other versions of the n series, so it may be in the same place on other machnices
Feb 27 00:56:51 <johnx> I already switched back to a different theme...
Feb 27 00:57:17 <koshi> But don't 800 series not have a physical keyboard meaning it be a tad hard to type anything?
Feb 27 00:57:45 <johnx> koshi, he just wants to turn off the gestures
Feb 27 00:57:51 <Xxaxx> yeah
Feb 27 00:58:02 <Xxaxx> only the gestures
Feb 27 00:58:25 <lcuk> earthquake?
Feb 27 00:58:28 <koshi> Gestures o_O? Hmmh to be honest I only had 810 for a week theres gestures?
Feb 27 00:58:29 <lcuk> tremor rather
Feb 27 00:59:21 <Xxaxx> koshi: check your text input help
Feb 27 01:00:18 <Xxaxx> koshi: Contents > Text input methods > Virtual keyboards
Feb 27 01:00:26 <^Jsn^> is the star trek and the pearl themes the only ones available to download?
Feb 27 01:00:27 <koshi> Is that another word for handwriting recognition
Feb 27 01:01:22 <johnx> ^Jsn^, that might be it for now. There are theme tools out now, so you might start seeing more or you could make your own :)
Feb 27 01:01:28 <GeneralAntilles> Plankton, too.
Feb 27 01:01:30 <Xxaxx> koshi: nope
Feb 27 01:01:43 <koshi> Hmm, I don't have that o_O
Feb 27 01:02:53 <jott> who wants to play with the n8x0 LED? -> http://sse2.net/ledcolor.py  :)
Feb 27 01:02:57 <Xxaxx> koshi: you have it on virtual keybooard
Feb 27 01:04:10 <Mousey> jott awesome!
Feb 27 01:06:00 <GeneralAntilles> Doesn't work on N800.
Feb 27 01:06:04 <Xxaxx> IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/sys/devices/platform/i2c_omap.2/i2c-0/0-0032/mode'
Feb 27 01:06:10 <jott> Xxaxx: hm
Feb 27 01:06:15 <jott> :/
Feb 27 01:06:16 <jott> ok
Feb 27 01:06:23 <jott> then it's probably in a similar path
Feb 27 01:07:10 <jott> cd /sys/devices/platform && find . -name mode  ...
Feb 27 01:08:01 <jott> or has the n800 another led controller?!
Feb 27 01:08:16 <GeneralAntilles> They're not the same.
Feb 27 01:08:21 <jott> darn..
Feb 27 01:08:24 <GeneralAntilles> ./musb_hdrc/mode
Feb 27 01:08:29 <GeneralAntilles> N810 is RGB
Feb 27 01:08:34 <GeneralAntilles> N800 is blue
Feb 27 01:08:45 <jott> aah i thought the n800 has a rgb one too..
Feb 27 01:08:48 <jott> ok my bad..
Feb 27 01:08:52 <jott> s/n8x0/n810/
Feb 27 01:09:29 <GeneralAntilles> Though the code looked a little sparse for N800 support. ;)
Feb 27 01:09:30 * jott can't squeeze red out of the blue led with his hack :/
Feb 27 01:10:02 <jott> is there some way to control the led on the n800?
Feb 27 01:10:14 <GeneralAntilles> Yes.
Feb 27 01:10:21 <dphil9000> really?  all i ever say was blue on n810
Feb 27 01:10:23 <jott> brightness? or more?
Feb 27 01:10:42 <Xxaxx> jott: :(
Feb 27 01:11:15 <jott> dphil9000: run the python script on the device and see if you get more colors :)
Feb 27 01:11:44 <dphil9000> i'd like to have claws mail configured as the default mail client that checks imap server & flashes the led
Feb 27 01:11:56 <GeneralAntilles> 0-15 levels, jott.
Feb 27 01:12:06 <dphil9000> and configure gizmo to be the default softphone
Feb 27 01:12:27 <jott> GeneralAntilles: ah ok thanks.. well this would not be as spectecular as a more or less full rgb led anyway :)
Feb 27 01:12:40 <GeneralAntilles> dphil9000, why not use the built-in SIP client instead of Gizmo?
Feb 27 01:12:43 <GeneralAntilles> Much lighter-weight
Feb 27 01:12:51 <GeneralAntilles> integrates with the system much more nicely, too.
Feb 27 01:12:57 <jott> and my n810 led hack is *not* for notification purposes..
Feb 27 01:13:02 <^Jsn^> will the n810 absolutely not go into update mode unless the battery 100% full?
Feb 27 01:13:06 <Xxaxx> jott: can I post your script on russian n8x0  forum?
Feb 27 01:13:17 <jott> it could be used as vu meter oder some other music visualization ;)
Feb 27 01:13:20 <dphil9000> could i use my gizmo dial-in number?
Feb 27 01:13:28 <GeneralAntilles> ^Jsn^, no, it'll gleefully let you update at 1% battery
Feb 27 01:13:29 <jott> Xxaxx: sure..
Feb 27 01:13:40 <^Jsn^> lol
Feb 27 01:13:43 <Xxaxx> jott: thx ,)
Feb 27 01:13:51 <GeneralAntilles> Gizmo is just SIP, dphil9000.
Feb 27 01:13:58 <dphil9000> true
Feb 27 01:14:05 <GeneralAntilles> So the built-in client will work fine with it.
Feb 27 01:14:06 <jott> i changed N8x0 -> N810 in the comment to make it clear ;)
Feb 27 01:14:16 <^Jsn^> well it won't go into update mode for me.  I followed the instructions and held the top button while turning it on, but it doesn't give me the white nokia screen with the usb symbol
Feb 27 01:14:16 <GeneralAntilles> It's what I use for sending/receiving with my Gizmo account.
Feb 27 01:14:34 <GeneralAntilles> Did you plug it into the USB port?
Feb 27 01:14:41 <^Jsn^> yep
Feb 27 01:14:50 <GeneralAntilles> Before you tried turning it on?
Feb 27 01:15:03 <^Jsn^> vista installed the drivers and said that it is good to go
Feb 27 01:15:11 <^Jsn^> yeah
Feb 27 01:15:21 <GeneralAntilles> Er, did you hold the Home/Swap button while powering on?
Feb 27 01:15:37 <dphil9000> sip > proprietary skype
Feb 27 01:15:40 <Xxaxx> jott: ok:)
Feb 27 01:15:41 <^Jsn^> yeah the one that looks like 2 cascaded windows
Feb 27 01:16:18 <Xxaxx> jott: is colors undocumented n810 feature?
Feb 27 01:16:46 <GeneralAntilles> No, Xxaxx.
Feb 27 01:16:52 <jott> Xxaxx: more or less.. yes.. there is a way to set color profiles via mce.ini
Feb 27 01:17:04 <jott> and there is the kernel source :)
Feb 27 01:17:05 <derf> GeneralAntilles: Oh yeah, where's the documentation?
Feb 27 01:17:26 <unixSnob> GeneralAnt - you recommended a screen protector.. I forgot what it was.  I need to order another one.
Feb 27 01:17:27 <GeneralAntilles> By "undocumented" I'm assuming he meant "like the N800 FM radio"
Feb 27 01:17:35 <GeneralAntilles> Boxwave anti-glare.
Feb 27 01:17:42 <unixSnob> ty
Feb 27 01:17:45 <jott> but  the color profiles are not directly controllable
Feb 27 01:17:55 <jott> (just a set of presets)
Feb 27 01:18:03 <Xxaxx> jott: hehe, ok ,)
Feb 27 01:18:05 <jott> that can be extended
Feb 27 01:18:15 <Xxaxx> it is interesting
Feb 27 01:18:24 <jott> so with this it's possible to use it iteractively..
Feb 27 01:19:43 <^Jsn^> i figured it out.  U can't have the ac adapter plugged in when u do it
Feb 27 01:19:57 <jott> actually it's nothing that hidden if you know how the name of the thing (lp5521) is and find the kernel source to read :)
Feb 27 01:20:28 <GeneralAntilles> ^Jsn^, it doesn't actually turn off if you shut it down with the power adaptor plugged in.
Feb 27 01:21:37 <unixSnob> damn.. that boxwave flexi-skin is $21 usd
Feb 27 01:21:48 <GeneralAntilles> Ew
Feb 27 01:21:55 <unixSnob> i don't think the anti-glare is available or the n800
Feb 27 01:22:12 <GeneralAntilles> The silicon skin is a waste of money
Feb 27 01:22:19 <GeneralAntilles> Can't use the stand or the USB port
Feb 27 01:22:52 <GeneralAntilles> http://www.boxwave.com/products/cleartouch/cleartouch-screen-protector-nokia-n800_2569.htm
Feb 27 01:23:44 <unixSnob> Better.. I have seen some of the sticker like protectors for as low as $2 usd
Feb 27 01:24:09 <GeneralAntilles> Waste of money, those.
Feb 27 01:24:16 <GeneralAntilles> Gotta replace them every couple weeks.
Feb 27 01:24:46 <unixSnob> so the cleartouch one will last longer?
Feb 27 01:25:00 <GeneralAntilles> It's a life-of-the-device protector.
Feb 27 01:25:13 <unixSnob> ah, nice
Feb 27 01:25:14 <trbs> is the calendar beta link on the maemo.org site broken ?
Feb 27 01:25:50 <GeneralAntilles> It should be in extras.
Feb 27 01:25:53 <briand> if it's a life-of-the-device protector, why would someone buy a 3-pack?
Feb 27 01:25:54 <trbs> i get blank page when going to the http://maemo.org/community/calendar/omc/ page
Feb 27 01:25:56 <GeneralAntilles> Just install it from app manager. . . .
Feb 27 01:25:57 <unixSnob> that'll really suck if I screw up applying it and get an air bubble
Feb 27 01:26:02 <unixSnob> but perhaps worth the rish
Feb 27 01:26:08 <GeneralAntilles> briand, for more than one device?
Feb 27 01:26:08 <unixSnob> s/rish/risk
Feb 27 01:26:25 <GeneralAntilles> unixSnob, you just take it off and apply it again.
Feb 27 01:26:34 <briand> GeneralAntilles: so, since you're in town, can I buy one of your two extras from ya?   :)
Feb 27 01:26:49 <GeneralAntilles> But bubbles aren't a problem with the Boxwave
Feb 27 01:26:59 <GeneralAntilles> You just push them out with the included bubble-pusher.
Feb 27 01:27:13 <GeneralAntilles> They're on my other N800 and one of my 770s. :P
Feb 27 01:27:43 <lcuk> but didnt you buy a "life of the device" cover when the 770 came out ;)
Feb 27 01:27:56 <lcuk> why would you need anything else :P
Feb 27 01:28:04 <GeneralAntilles> No.
Feb 27 01:28:08 <briand> "...my other N800 and *one* of my 770s"  ??  sheesh.. how many do you own??
Feb 27 01:28:15 <GeneralAntilles> Used the 770 for most of its life without a protector.
Feb 27 01:28:19 <lcuk> 770 has a hardtop doesnt it?
Feb 27 01:28:21 <GeneralAntilles> 4, at the moment.
Feb 27 01:28:43 <GeneralAntilles> Looking to send one of the 770s off to help with Debian.
Feb 27 01:28:48 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk, it does.
Feb 27 01:28:55 <briand> hmm.  then you need to get another 3-pack, and you'll have two extras...  ;)
Feb 27 01:29:00 <GeneralAntilles> But stylus usage will scratch it
Feb 27 01:29:19 <GeneralAntilles> and the anti-glare protectors both improve stylus and finger-feel and greatly improve outdoor visibility.
Feb 27 01:29:26 <briand> I'd trade you a nifty leather HP belt holster that holds the N800 (and 770) quite well.  (I've got several of 'em)
Feb 27 01:29:44 <GeneralAntilles> Haha
Feb 27 01:29:46 <GeneralAntilles> Holster. <_<
Feb 27 01:30:09 <lcuk> briand, i dont think you will have them, GeneralAntilles goes outside looking like batman, his utility belt has multiple nokias
Feb 27 01:30:33 <briand> seriously, I've got a pile of 'em
Feb 27 01:30:34 <GeneralAntilles> It'd only carry one holster. ;)
Feb 27 01:30:57 <briand> and I only own one N800, zero 770s and zero N810s
Feb 27 01:31:49 * johnx pictures GeneralAntilles pulling tablets out of a belt holster and frisbeeing them at thieves
Feb 27 01:32:01 <GeneralAntilles> Crime deterrent!
Feb 27 01:32:02 <johnx> can someone hum the batman theme?
Feb 27 01:32:13 <GeneralAntilles> briand, you should order the 3-pack and apply them all to your N800. :P
Feb 27 01:32:14 <lcuk> i imagine him having a mexixan standoff with some iphone holstered macboy
Feb 27 01:32:20 <briand> hahaha
Feb 27 01:32:26 <johnx> a 770 to the back of the head would sure ruin your day...
Feb 27 01:32:45 <briand> oh, and for those who wonder what my idea of "several" is:  in this situation, it's 11
Feb 27 01:32:47 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk, make it a soap opera and I can have a fallout with my family. :P
Feb 27 01:33:02 <lcuk> lol
Feb 27 01:33:45 <lcuk> gen, i have read my first scrolly page.
Feb 27 01:33:49 <briand> I hear that ubiquitous western showdown music playing...
Feb 27 01:33:54 <johnx> my wife probably wouldn't go out in public with me if I had gadget in belt holster. I've been told that a vest with pockets is also not allowed :/
Feb 27 01:34:03 <lcuk> 20 fps with a fixed font at 800*480 :)
Feb 27 01:34:09 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk, you did make sure to use a font that didn't suck, right? :P
Feb 27 01:34:34 <GeneralAntilles> Haha, johnx.
Feb 27 01:34:38 <GeneralAntilles> How about a combat harness?
Feb 27 01:34:40 <lcuk> shhhh i bitmapped lucida console
Feb 27 01:34:41 <briand> vest with pockets shouldn't be allowed, unless you're at the target range or a favorite fishing hole
Feb 27 01:34:48 <GeneralAntilles> ew, lcuk.
Feb 27 01:34:50 <GeneralAntilles> EEEEWWWW
Feb 27 01:35:03 <lcuk> no, its perfect - i am used to seeing it scroll
Feb 27 01:35:18 <lcuk> everything else will come with time :)  i have sdl_ttf support coming
Feb 27 01:35:26 <johnx> briand, sorry, but a batman belt and a pocket vest are in the same category in my mind
Feb 27 01:35:32 <lcuk> it was enough to prove i could render glyphs
Feb 27 01:35:44 <briand> johnx: understood.
Feb 27 01:35:58 <GeneralAntilles> Perfect: http://www.zahal.org/gear/commando/efodhir1.jpg
Feb 27 01:35:59 <GeneralAntilles> Ehehe
Feb 27 01:36:13 <briand> but anyway, it's not a "batman belt", anyway... just a clip-on leather N800 holder (that happens, for some odd reason, to have an HP logo on it!)
Feb 27 01:36:14 <lcuk> what about an ankle holster?
Feb 27 01:36:34 <lcuk> for your smaller devices (n95?)
Feb 27 01:36:38 <briand> incidentally, it'll also hold a Colt Mustang .380, as I've just discovered
Feb 27 01:36:44 <briand> (not really concealed, however)
Feb 27 01:37:04 <johnx> I think I'll stick with pants that have lots of pockets
Feb 27 01:37:17 <lcuk> yes it is.  if its hidden inside a container which doesnt say I HAVE A GUN IN HERE then its pretty conealed
Feb 27 01:37:28 <lcuk> but i know nothing about guns since im in the uk
Feb 27 01:38:01 <briand> well, let's just say that I'm not going to risk my concealed carry permit by using this device to "carry" with...
Feb 27 01:38:04 <GeneralAntilles> .380?
Feb 27 01:38:19 <GeneralAntilles> s/.380/.38/ you mean. ;)
Feb 27 01:38:20 <lcuk> hmmm, never thought i had an opinion on guns.
Feb 27 01:38:28 * lcuk just found one
Feb 27 01:38:30 <briand> aka "short 9mm" (old terminology).
Feb 27 01:38:31 <^Jsn^> does updating the firmware of the n810 also update to the latest maemo, or does maemo have to be updated seperately?
Feb 27 01:38:58 <johnx> what people call "firmware" in this case is actually the whole OS and all the apps
Feb 27 01:38:58 <briand> .38 is a different round, for a different pistol (revolver) ---  .380 is a round for a semi-auto pistol
Feb 27 01:39:05 <GeneralAntilles> Right, right.
Feb 27 01:39:16 <lcuk> updating firmaware will update the entire OS.  its like reformatting windows
Feb 27 01:39:18 <GeneralAntilles> .380 is pretty concealable, though.
Feb 27 01:39:26 <briand> some are, yes.
Feb 27 01:39:27 <Xxaxx> jott: how you found that name lp5521?
Feb 27 01:39:43 <GeneralAntilles> For instance: http://www.impactguns.com/store/media/kel_tec/kel_p3at.jpg
Feb 27 01:39:46 <briand> others are, if you're a large person that wears loose-fitting clothes
Feb 27 01:39:48 <^Jsn^> thanks
Feb 27 01:40:13 <unixSnob> I thought the UK was rated the most violent city in 2000
Feb 27 01:40:24 <briand> UK is a country, not a city
Feb 27 01:40:26 <unixSnob> I'd think the brits would know about guns
Feb 27 01:40:33 <unixSnob> lol
Feb 27 01:40:45 <briand> technically, it's a bunch of countries, really...
Feb 27 01:41:05 <lcuk> criminals might, but the majority of people haven't seen a real gun (apart from maybe police) let alone fired one.
Feb 27 01:41:36 <lcuk> knife crime is high
Feb 27 01:41:50 <briand> precisely why one should carry a gun!
Feb 27 01:41:57 <GeneralAntilles> Banning one sort of weapon will just result in people using another.
Feb 27 01:42:02 <briand> someone brings a knife to a gunfight, that's his problem...
Feb 27 01:42:11 <GeneralAntilles> Better to have a sort of weapon that levels the playing field for everybody.
Feb 27 01:42:17 <unixSnob> They've banned tazers in New York
Feb 27 01:42:21 <johnx> rocket launchers!
Feb 27 01:42:23 <GeneralAntilles> Granny doesn't stand a chance in a knife fight.
Feb 27 01:42:27 <lcuk> but i will get arrested if someone comes into my house and i shoot them
Feb 27 01:42:41 <GeneralAntilles> Ah, enlightened Europe.
Feb 27 01:42:48 <briand> move over here... in most states, you wouldn't be arrested/detained for that
Feb 27 01:42:49 <unixSnob> true.. but granna can do a gunfight!
Feb 27 01:42:51 <lcuk> i cannot protect my home without risking my own freedom
Feb 27 01:43:14 * lcuk will throw a nokia at him
Feb 27 01:43:17 <jott> Xxaxx: it's in the same path as the mode/color file "cat name" reveals it ..
Feb 27 01:43:30 <unixSnob> The uk is a better place to be financially.. if you're in the tech industry
Feb 27 01:43:37 <lcuk> or offer him a cup of tea with a cup i accidentally drop on his head
Feb 27 01:43:44 <unixSnob> I'm thinking about going there to work
Feb 27 01:43:57 <Xxaxx> jott: ah, haha, I see
Feb 27 01:44:05 <briand> take a gander at their taxing structure, first...  ;)
Feb 27 01:44:09 <Xxaxx> I will check mine
Feb 27 01:44:23 <lcuk> unixSnob, depends where in the country
Feb 27 01:44:39 <unixSnob> The tax can't offset the exchange rate.
Feb 27 01:44:55 <unixSnob> Yeah, I realize location matters
Feb 27 01:45:39 <lcuk> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7266136.stm
Feb 27 01:45:41 <unixSnob> In the US, contractors get $75 in DC area, and the same contractor gets $50/hr in some ghosttown
Feb 27 01:45:58 <unixSnob> (and the $50/hr is the better deal)
Feb 27 01:46:10 <briand> definitely, given the lower cost of living in the ghosttown
Feb 27 01:46:20 <Xxaxx> jott: hehe only TCM825x I2C driver and TEA5761 FM-Radio
Feb 27 01:46:37 <johnx> as long as you think it's worth it to live in a ghost town...
Feb 27 01:46:42 * johnx doesn't like ghosts
Feb 27 01:46:51 <unixSnob> So the median in the US is ~$60/hr in most cities
Feb 27 01:46:54 <briand> and, god forbid you live in virginia!  they tax your car every year that you own it.  renewing a registration usually runs hundreds of dollars
Feb 27 01:47:12 <unixSnob> But a typical rate in the EU is 60 euros/hr
Feb 27 01:47:25 <briand> johnx: i live in the capital of florida, which is (by far!) the smallest "city" in the state
Feb 27 01:47:57 <jott> Xxaxx: :/ ..hmm yeah probably it's not in i2c.. it probably has some proc/sys entry..
Feb 27 01:48:00 <unixSnob> 60 euros is so much more than 60 usd, I can't imagine COL being high enough to offset that
Feb 27 01:48:16 <briand> you'd be surprised
Feb 27 01:48:25 <Xxaxx> jott: hm ,)
Feb 27 01:48:49 <briand> i was offered a position at Adobe for a little over twice what I was making at my (then) current job...
Feb 27 01:49:10 <unixSnob> u screwed up
Feb 27 01:49:16 <unixSnob> u didn't take it?
Feb 27 01:49:16 <jott> Xxaxx: but it's just 15 brightness levels so it's not that much fun :P
Feb 27 01:49:24 <briand> but the COL difference between the santa clara valley in CA vs. Tallahassee, FL would've made that a decrease in salary... by quite a bit
Feb 27 01:49:31 <Xxaxx> jott: hehe ,)
Feb 27 01:49:40 <GeneralAntilles> jott, I was excited about those 15 brightness levels and you dashed my dreams to little bits! :(
Feb 27 01:50:06 <Xxaxx> jott: 15 levels for led?
Feb 27 01:50:11 <jott> GeneralAntilles: hehe well if it's controllable the interface has to be exposed somewhere :)
Feb 27 01:50:32 <jott> GeneralAntilles: send me one of your n800 and i'll find it out :P
Feb 27 01:50:41 <briand> heheh
Feb 27 01:50:51 <unixSnob> yeah, that makes a difference.  The santa clara payrates are bad
Feb 27 01:51:07 <briand> that, and the rents are outrageous!
Feb 27 01:51:11 <jott> Xxaxx: according to GeneralAntilles yeah..
Feb 27 01:51:27 <GeneralAntilles> Xxaxx, see /etc/mce/mce.ini
Feb 27 01:51:33 <briand> i had 1400 sqft in tally for $650/mo.  Out there, I could get 600 sqft for $1200/mo
Feb 27 01:51:57 <briand> (in a similar neighborhood)
Feb 27 01:52:04 <unixSnob> The problem w/ silicon valley is the payrates don't even try to compensate higher COL.  Typical rates there are $65/hr -- which is about what you get in any medium sized city.
Feb 27 01:52:44 <unixSnob> At least in DC and NYC, the payrates are a little higher.. ~$75
Feb 27 01:53:09 <briand> now, if they were willing to pay me $150K/yr to telecommute... that'd've been a different story altogether...
Feb 27 01:53:38 <unixSnob> The west coast employers know they can leverage the better lifestyle, and pay less
Feb 27 01:54:05 <unixSnob> fat chance, they'd pay less
Feb 27 01:54:27 <unixSnob> In fact, they might as well hire indians if telecommuting is an option
Feb 27 01:54:40 <briand> true
Feb 27 01:54:47 <briand> thus, why i didn't take the offer.  :)
Feb 27 01:55:20 <unixSnob> OTOH, open source developers can telecommute
Feb 27 01:55:37 <unixSnob> We can go to the islands and live very cheaply, while working
Feb 27 01:56:01 <unixSnob> and that's probably a better deal than the silicon valley folks get!
Feb 27 01:56:46 <unixSnob> (even though it's volunteer work, at least the expenses don't bury us)
Feb 27 01:57:24 <unixSnob> who's with me?  It'll be a Maemo development retreat
Feb 27 01:57:34 <Xxaxx> jott: btw do you know how can I turn o
Feb 27 01:57:44 <Xxaxx> jott: btw do you know how can I turn off the gestures?
Feb 27 01:58:28 <jott> Xxaxx: which gestures?!
Feb 27 01:58:38 <briand> unixSnob: I'll book the plane tickets the day after I win the Lotto
Feb 27 01:58:52 <Xxaxx> jott: virtual keyboard gestures
Feb 27 01:59:30 <jott> Xxaxx: sorry.. i have a n810 and do not use a virtual keyboard at all ..
Feb 27 01:59:52 <Xxaxx> jott: hehe, ok np :)
Feb 27 02:03:32 <^Jsn^> I'm trying to install gpe calender but it is telling me that i need libsoup 2.2-8(>=2.2.98)  Does anyone know how to install this missing package?
Feb 27 02:04:36 <pupnik> from command line, as root, i would type: apt-get install libsoup
Feb 27 02:04:52 <Xxaxx> jott: btw do you think it is possible to use internal 3d abilities?
Feb 27 02:04:58 <pupnik> or first: apt-cache search libsoup
Feb 27 02:05:07 <pupnik> in order to see if it is in a repository
Feb 27 02:05:53 <^Jsn^> do you have to be in red pill mode to do that?
Feb 27 02:07:31 <johnx> ^Jsn^, red pill / blue pill mode does not affect the command line utilities, only "Application Manager"
Feb 27 02:07:41 <johnx> in general, I would suggest avoiding red pill mode
Feb 27 02:08:16 <^Jsn^> how do i get to the command line utility in root mode?
Feb 27 02:08:20 <pupnik> http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_BecomeRoot/
Feb 27 02:08:45 <^Jsn^> thanks
Feb 27 02:08:47 <pupnik> what device and OS version do you have?
Feb 27 02:08:48 <jott> Xxaxx: well i suppose it is possible and some people started hacking on it but there are many factors (given alone that the lcd controller is connected with a low bandwidth) and it's not an easy task without nokias help ..
Feb 27 02:09:01 <johnx> ^Jsn^, you should be able to get it through application manager
Feb 27 02:09:02 <^Jsn^> n810 os2008
Feb 27 02:09:04 <johnx> let me dig up the link
Feb 27 02:09:12 <jott> (and that the size of the lcd controller is bigger than powervr can handle)
Feb 27 02:09:32 <jott> but one could most likely increase performance in some areas
Feb 27 02:09:49 <lcuk> but the lcd can quite nicely display 640*480 borderless fullscreen and it looks amazing and gets 25fps full color
Feb 27 02:10:26 <lcuk> auto stretching using the xv library shows its possible
Feb 27 02:10:27 <jott> yeah still that's probably an argument why nokia does not put effort in it..
Feb 27 02:10:48 <pupnik> ^Jsn^: on OS2008 i just install the ssh package and ssh root@localhost to log in as root
Feb 27 02:10:59 <fysa> http://www.akihabaranews.com/en/news-15573-Sungjut+TangoX+Nano%2C+a+new+Korean+UMPC+with+wireless+phone+and+Touch+screen..html
Feb 27 02:11:04 <^Jsn^> oh ok
Feb 27 02:11:21 <fysa> I love how they stuck a dockable VOIP phone into that space.
Feb 27 02:11:31 <johnx> ^Jsn^, if you'd rather use the GUI go to gronmayer.com/it on the tablet, search for libsoup. Find the Maemo Hackers repository with "Chinook" as the distribution and "click to install"
Feb 27 02:11:42 <pupnik> ^Jsn^: also feedback to the GPE authors might motivate them to resolve the issue so that people don't need to be root
Feb 27 02:11:54 <pupnik> s/authors/packagers/g
Feb 27 02:11:54 <infobot> pupnik meant: ^Jsn^: also feedback to the GPE packagers might motivate them to resolve the issue so that people don't need to be root
Feb 27 02:12:13 <johnx> fysa, that's the "Everex Cloudbook" or "Fic" something-or-other they sell at walmart
Feb 27 02:12:20 <fysa> no, this is a new one :)
Feb 27 02:12:28 <johnx> the case looks the same
Feb 27 02:12:34 <johnx> and they're both a Via...
Feb 27 02:12:35 <fysa> look at the phone docked into it.
Feb 27 02:12:36 <GeneralAntilles> Wish you could link to stuff on gronmayer.
Feb 27 02:12:48 <fysa> I see what you mean.
Feb 27 02:12:58 <johnx> so it has the phone instead of the webcam module...that's pretty much the difference, right?
Feb 27 02:13:23 <johnx> the prototypes they had at some tradeshow showed them with like 5 different interchangeable modules
Feb 27 02:13:30 <fysa> no, you're right.
Feb 27 02:13:38 <fysa> it must be from the same OEM
Feb 27 02:13:54 <johnx> still, a cool little machine
Feb 27 02:13:55 <johnx> :)
Feb 27 02:13:58 <lcuk> could you plug a nokia into it ;)
Feb 27 02:14:43 <fysa> would be cooler if the screen could reverse and let you map the 'phone' keys as real keys.
Feb 27 02:14:50 <fysa> .. and it had a few buttons on the other side ;)
Feb 27 02:15:21 <lcuk> and a fluc capacitor
Feb 27 02:15:28 <lcuk> ffs flux
Feb 27 02:20:00 <^Jsn^> pupnik:  where does it install the openssh client to?  i don't see it in any of hte menus
Feb 27 02:20:04 <^Jsn^> the*
Feb 27 02:20:40 <GeneralAntilles> Haha
Feb 27 02:20:47 <GeneralAntilles> OpenSSH isn't a GUI application. ;)
Feb 27 02:20:58 <Xxaxx> :>
Feb 27 02:20:59 <^Jsn^> well how do you access it
Feb 27 02:21:21 <GeneralAntilles> ssh
Feb 27 02:21:25 <Xxaxx> via xterm
Feb 27 02:21:29 <^Jsn^> ok
Feb 27 02:21:46 <johnx> ^Jsn^, if you're not comfortable with the command line you should just add the repository that I suggested, then all the gpe stuff should install just fine
Feb 27 02:22:08 <johnx> if you want to learn more about Linux than you ever wanted to know, then proceed :)
Feb 27 02:22:13 <^Jsn^> well i'm trying to get some experience with linux
Feb 27 02:23:19 <^Jsn^> i'm getting a connection refused
Feb 27 02:23:51 <johnx> you installed both openssh-server and openssh-client?
Feb 27 02:23:51 <unixSnob> "if you want to learn more about Linux than you ever wanted to know" <- how is that possible?
Feb 27 02:24:04 <^Jsn^> no just the client
Feb 27 02:24:08 <^Jsn^> do i need the server?
Feb 27 02:24:33 <johnx> if you want to use this method to get "root" access on the device, then yes
Feb 27 02:25:27 <johnx> pupnik, even if he follows all these steps he still doesn't have the repository with libsoup
Feb 27 02:25:33 <lcuk> yes, your nokia will be the server.  from a command shell on another computer you connect to the ssh server and login as root
Feb 27 02:26:19 <^Jsn^> ok
Feb 27 02:27:12 <lcuk> i agree with john, for this specific problem the shell does not help much and there are easier solutions, but if the guy wants to get ssh up and running then so be it :)
Feb 27 02:28:09 <lcuk> i dont know whether i wanna sleep - the house shook loads before :S
Feb 27 02:28:40 <unixSnob> shook?
Feb 27 02:28:47 <unixSnob> are you in the UK?
Feb 27 02:28:50 <lcuk> yer earth tremor
Feb 27 02:28:56 <lcuk> yer its hit news
Feb 27 02:29:03 <^Jsn^> how do you bring up the virtual keyboard?
Feb 27 02:29:16 <unixSnob> tap on a field
Feb 27 02:29:16 <johnx> lcuk, craziness, you guys don't get many earthquaks at all do you?
Feb 27 02:29:28 <lcuk> no, thats whats so disconcerting
Feb 27 02:29:41 <unixSnob> does your house meet earthquake standards?
Feb 27 02:29:47 <lcuk> we have minor movements as the earth settles, but nothing big
Feb 27 02:30:21 <^Jsn^> does anyone know how to bring up the virtual keyboard?
Feb 27 02:30:35 <johnx> in xterm? just tap on the screen
Feb 27 02:30:40 <lcuk> it can withstand an equal amount of wrath from earthquakes, tornados, hurricanes, ice berg hits and polar bear attacks.
Feb 27 02:30:45 <^Jsn^> in the browser
Feb 27 02:30:49 <lcuk> that figure however is unknown between 0 and 1
Feb 27 02:30:52 <johnx> just tap in a text field
Feb 27 02:31:19 <johnx> lcuk, a magnitude 4.7, 10km underground?!
Feb 27 02:31:20 <lcuk> i think 810 is disabled by default isnt it
Feb 27 02:31:31 <johnx> ah, an n810
Feb 27 02:31:57 <johnx> ^Jsn^, it probably only works with the keyboard closed and you might have to turn it on in control panel or something
Feb 27 02:31:59 <lcuk> jsn, if you cant get it to come up, go into your control panel and poke about looking for settings
Feb 27 02:32:00 * johnx has an n800
Feb 27 02:32:03 <lcuk> you can adjust quite a lot
Feb 27 02:32:24 <^Jsn^> wow, this thing has soo many querks
Feb 27 02:32:31 <^Jsn^> you do have to have the keyboard closed
Feb 27 02:32:46 <briand> ^Jsn^: they're called, lovingly, "features", not quirks.
Feb 27 02:32:46 <lcuk> why is that a querk?
Feb 27 02:33:00 <johnx> not really a quirk so much as a "Nokia design decision" :)
Feb 27 02:33:04 <lcuk> you have a sodding thumb keyboard in front of you, why would you want the OSK?
Feb 27 02:33:11 <johnx> lcuk, I really wouldn't worry about many aftershocks with a quake like that
Feb 27 02:33:20 <johnx> that's weak sauce :P
Feb 27 02:33:26 <lcuk> plus, the bottom of screen still has bits onscreen
Feb 27 02:33:28 <unixSnob> My employer is sending a ton of people over to the UK to work the eBorders program.. I should tell those folks to ask for hazardous duty pay.
Feb 27 02:33:28 <^Jsn^> i'm not saying that it's a bad thing
Feb 27 02:33:49 <lcuk> lol
Feb 27 02:34:00 <Navi> Wow
Feb 27 02:34:10 <lcuk> jsn, best querk is: hit your tab key
Feb 27 02:34:11 <Navi> playing music + surfing the web = battery drainage
Feb 27 02:34:25 <johnx> jeez, you guys need to live on the west coast of the US or anywhere in Japan for a while. I've slept through worse...
Feb 27 02:34:35 <lcuk> web refresh = lots of screen flicker
Feb 27 02:35:01 <unixSnob> i was in the northridge quake of 94
Feb 27 02:35:28 <unixSnob> I had wall-sized bookshelves come down on me in the middle of the night
Feb 27 02:36:19 <unixSnob> Maybe i'll go back to cali.. are we past the point where all the prophets predicted CA would fall in the ocean?
Feb 27 02:36:23 <johnx> you need to anchor those things...
Feb 27 02:36:28 <lcuk> im going to move somewhere thats near the top of a small hill but not far away from a stream and live in a ground floor house with a canvass roof and nothing around me to fall on
Feb 27 02:36:33 <^Jsn^> lcuk:what tab key
Feb 27 02:37:03 <lcuk> you were looking for querks
Feb 27 02:37:20 <^Jsn^> yeah but there isn't a tab key
Feb 27 02:37:20 <unixSnob> lcuk - and get Germans to build your house.  German built houses are so airtight, that the houses float when there's a flood.
Feb 27 02:38:10 <johnx> the quirk is there is no tab key :)
Feb 27 02:38:30 <lcuk> the hill is flood protection ;)
Feb 27 02:38:46 <johnx> unixSnob, I was in the San Francisco quake of 89 :)
Feb 27 02:39:01 <unixSnob> but if the hill is overcome, you want your house to be a boat
Feb 27 02:39:12 <johnx> so why not just live in a boat?
Feb 27 02:39:19 <unixSnob> was that any fun?  I wasn't in ca at that time
Feb 27 02:39:21 <johnx> automatic earthquake protection too
Feb 27 02:39:30 <unixSnob> good idea!
Feb 27 02:39:40 <lcuk> unless a sink hole opens
Feb 27 02:39:51 <unixSnob> I've actually been thinking if I end up in CA again, it will be in a houseboat
Feb 27 02:39:53 <GeneralAntilles> Hurricanes are more fun.
Feb 27 02:40:00 <johnx> I was just a kid then...honestly it didn't really scare me much, and nothing much fell down at my house
Feb 27 02:40:02 <unixSnob> (for cost, not eq protection)
Feb 27 02:40:58 <unixSnob> I gotta buddy that lives in a yaht.. and they don't charge him the mud tax
Feb 27 02:41:05 <lcuk> you know, im half expecting someone to come out and tell me they were around when godzilla made shore
Feb 27 02:41:13 <johnx> my mom was paranoid about earthquakes, so all the book shelves were anchored and even though we our condo was on the third floor it was pretty much a non-event
Feb 27 02:41:32 <johnx> lcuk, still waiting for that one O_o
Feb 27 02:41:39 <unixSnob> lol, that's not paranoid, that's CA living
Feb 27 02:42:18 <unixSnob> always anchor stuff
Feb 27 02:42:25 <johnx> last time I was in Indiana they had a tornado brought in for me
Feb 27 02:42:40 <johnx> it bent a McDonald's sign in half 5 miles away from where I was
Feb 27 02:42:43 <unixSnob> nice!
Feb 27 02:42:46 <unixSnob> I'm there now
Feb 27 02:42:51 <^Jsn^> what is chinook?
Feb 27 02:42:55 <unixSnob> They seem to take tornados seriously here
Feb 27 02:42:59 <johnx> chinook is another name for OS2008
Feb 27 02:43:00 <Navi> The battery indicator sucks
Feb 27 02:43:04 <johnx> bora is OS2007
Feb 27 02:43:11 <johnx> mistral is OS2006
Feb 27 02:43:12 <Navi> A while ago, I only had 1/4 of my battery left
Feb 27 02:43:15 <Navi> now I have 1/2
Feb 27 02:43:20 <^Jsn^> oh ok
Feb 27 02:43:22 <unixSnob> periodic drills at work, yet I haven't seen one yet :(
Feb 27 02:43:24 <Navi> No, I didn't charge it.
Feb 27 02:43:36 <lcuk> power drain occuring earlier
Feb 27 02:43:38 <lcuk> less now?
Feb 27 02:43:38 <johnx> Navi, if you find a battery indicator on a mobile device that is any good, tell me
Feb 27 02:44:09 <GeneralAntilles> The smaller the li-ion, the harder it is to measure its current level accurately.
Feb 27 02:44:10 <unixSnob> and to make matters worse, OS2008 version number starts with 2007...
Feb 27 02:44:22 <johnx> if you go from a high power-draw situation to a low-power draw situation it appears to the battery meter that the battery has more voltage now
Feb 27 02:44:28 <GeneralAntilles> unixSnob, that's the date it was built.
Feb 27 02:45:35 <GeneralAntilles> They pretty much can't release any more 2007 builds, so it's not an issue anymore, unixSnob.
Feb 27 02:45:37 <^Jsn^> what is a good irc app for the n810?
Feb 27 02:45:39 <unixSnob> Makes sense.. guess they're ahead of the game
Feb 27 02:45:41 <Navi> johnx, my cell phone
Feb 27 02:45:45 <GeneralAntilles> ^Jsn^, xchat.
Feb 27 02:45:48 <unixSnob> I'm still waiting for Ada 2005!
Feb 27 02:46:09 <johnx> Navi, it probably has a pretty consistent power draw
Feb 27 02:46:27 <^Jsn^> ok
Feb 27 02:46:46 <Navi> E70 with wifi and bluetooth sporatically throughout the day
Feb 27 02:46:47 <Navi> you tell me
Feb 27 02:47:03 <Navi> sporadically*
Feb 27 02:47:10 <johnx> fair enough
Feb 27 02:47:22 <GeneralAntilles> I'll guarantee you it doesn't swing as wildly as the tablet, though.
Feb 27 02:47:47 <unixSnob> anyone here from brazil?
Feb 27 02:49:12 * Navi chucks it at GeneralAntilles
Feb 27 02:49:27 * GeneralAntilles catches it and sells it on ebay.
Feb 27 02:49:55 <Navi> No!
Feb 27 02:50:02 <unixSnob> ha.. pakistan shut down the countries network to get people off youtube.
Feb 27 02:50:20 <unixSnob> s/network/networks
Feb 27 02:50:30 <johnx> didn't they bring it back up already?
Feb 27 02:50:54 <unixSnob> probably
Feb 27 02:51:14 <Navi> unixSnob, yeah
Feb 27 02:51:16 <unixSnob> just amazing how much the pakastani gov hates youtube
Feb 27 02:51:19 <Navi> I read
Feb 27 02:51:28 <Navi> YouTube = blasphemy
Feb 27 02:52:16 <johnx> that might not be the whole story...supposedly there were videos with claims of tampering with the election or something and "blasphemy on youtube" was a good excuse
Feb 27 02:52:22 <johnx> don't remember my sources
Feb 27 02:52:34 <unixSnob> hey, we would have not seen the don't taze me bro dude if it hadn't been for youtube
Feb 27 02:52:58 <unixSnob> I just heard it on www.webbalert.com
Feb 27 02:53:04 <johnx> *or* the evolution of dance
Feb 27 02:54:25 <unixSnob> morgan webb is pretty hot.  nokia should promote the NIT on there
Feb 27 02:54:26 <Navi> Gah
Feb 27 02:54:35 <Navi> BBC is spamming up my RSS reader
Feb 27 02:55:03 <Navi> Too many "ZOMG BILLARY N OBAMA SLING MUD LOLOLOLOL" articles.
Feb 27 02:55:09 <pupnik> ITos sound runs natively at 44.1 khz right?
Feb 27 02:55:40 <pupnik> evening all
Feb 27 02:57:11 <unixSnob> What's all this i hear about Obama supporting open source?
Feb 27 02:57:40 <Navi> Who cares? He's just appealing to a niche crowd, doesn't really care.
Feb 27 02:57:49 <Navi> s/appealing/trying to appeal/
Feb 27 02:57:50 <infobot> Navi meant: Who cares? He's just trying to appeal to a niche crowd, doesn't really care.
Feb 27 02:58:39 <GeneralAntilles> Obama sells warm fuzzies.
Feb 27 02:58:44 <GeneralAntilles> Nothing much else as far I can tell.
Feb 27 03:01:24 <Navi> ugh
Feb 27 03:01:29 <unixSnob> I definately want politicians that support OSS
Feb 27 03:01:32 <Navi> why is that skype icon there when it's not even installed?
Feb 27 03:01:50 <Navi> I support politicians that support net neutrality
Feb 27 03:01:54 <unixSnob> It's aggrivating how much uncle sam spends on windows and other closed source software
Feb 27 03:02:17 <GeneralAntilles> I want politicians that support the sort of government where things like that don't matter.
Feb 27 03:02:29 <unixSnob> well the US as a whole isn't in favor of net neutrality
Feb 27 03:02:44 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, a post apocalyptic distopia?
Feb 27 03:02:47 <GeneralAntilles> Net neutrality has lost any meaning for the average person.
Feb 27 03:03:12 <GeneralAntilles> They managed to muddy the discussion alarmingly well.
Feb 27 03:03:23 <GeneralAntilles> Good, bad, upside down?
Feb 27 03:03:23 <unixSnob> it's US vs. the world
Feb 27 03:03:27 <GeneralAntilles> Who the hell knows.
Feb 27 03:03:30 <Navi> What does the average person surf? Yahoo!, Facebook, mail.  That's about it eh?
Feb 27 03:03:51 <Navi> YouTube, forgot.
Feb 27 03:04:00 <johnx> and WoW
Feb 27 03:04:13 <unixSnob> The lower socioeconomic households use Yahoo, and the higher socioeconomic households use google
Feb 27 03:04:34 <Navi> Lol
Feb 27 03:04:39 <Lateralus> can anyone grab OS images from the maemo website? It just repeatedly tells me to input the 12 digit code
Feb 27 03:04:42 <Lateralus> I've tried different devices
Feb 27 03:04:48 <Lateralus> two 800's and an 810
Feb 27 03:04:48 <johnx> maybe if their youtube videos start showing up slower than molasses they'll start caring about net neutrality
Feb 27 03:04:53 <Lateralus> I get the same for all of them.
Feb 27 03:04:56 * Navi wonders why his money count is in euros
Feb 27 03:04:57 <unixSnob> That was mentioned on the last TWiT podcast
Feb 27 03:05:00 <Navi> on skype
Feb 27 03:05:01 <Lateralus> I need the latet OS image for 810 and 800.
Feb 27 03:05:07 <GeneralAntilles> Lateralus, enter the right code on the right page?
Feb 27 03:05:43 <Lateralus> GeneralAntilles, yes, now, some of these are early devices.
Feb 27 03:05:50 <Lateralus> GeneralAntilles, eg, N00 etc.
Feb 27 03:05:50 <GeneralAntilles> Be nice if the government didn't regulate telecommunications JUST enough to help maintain monopolies.
Feb 27 03:05:52 <unixSnob> where you from Navi?
Feb 27 03:05:56 <Navi> USA
Feb 27 03:06:03 <johnx> Lateralus, it works for me (tm)
Feb 27 03:06:13 <Lateralus> johnx, ok, thanks
Feb 27 03:06:15 <unixSnob> And you're getting paid in euros?
Feb 27 03:06:58 <Navi> No, my skype credits are in euros
Feb 27 03:07:14 <Navi> I'd like to be paid in Euros, however. The USD is going down.
Feb 27 03:07:41 <unixSnob> yes, that's my plan when my current contract ends
Feb 27 03:08:20 <unixSnob> the downside is the green card takes 3 months
Feb 27 03:09:08 <Lateralus> GeneralAntilles, it looks like I was on the 810 page when trying the 800s. I got the 800 image
Feb 27 03:09:21 <Lateralus> does anyone have a working 810 mac?
Feb 27 03:09:26 <^Jsn^> is canola tuning worth the download?
Feb 27 03:09:59 <Navi> canola tuning?
Feb 27 03:10:15 <GeneralAntilles> It downloads album artwork and whatnot.
Feb 27 03:10:31 <unixSnob> Lasteralus- you can download the image w/out mac addy if you use the Windows download tool
Feb 27 03:10:34 <^Jsn^> yeah it says "python scripts to tune canola"
Feb 27 03:10:49 <Lateralus> unixSnob, I've seen no windows download tool? Have a link?
Feb 27 03:11:11 <GeneralAntilles> Lateralus, Nokia support page.
Feb 27 03:11:19 <Lateralus> GeneralAntilles, thanks
Feb 27 03:11:20 <unixSnob> Not off the top of my head.. I recall seeing it somewhere though (and it was called something different)
Feb 27 03:11:22 <Lateralus> unixSnob, thanks
Feb 27 03:11:44 <^Jsn^> when u install apps on the n810, does it all go into the rom, or can u chose to install them to the built in 2 gig memory card?
Feb 27 03:11:57 <k-s> ^Jsn^: yes, it is
Feb 27 03:12:09 <k-s> ^Jsn^: we put some things there that we cannot add to official release
Feb 27 03:12:28 <johnx> it goes into the built-in flash (not the 2GB memory card-type thing). Apps can't be installed anywhere else without a bit of hacking around
Feb 27 03:12:32 <k-s> ^Jsn^: or things that we had no time to integrate properly (ie: video thumbnailing)
Feb 27 03:13:02 <^Jsn^> oh ok
Feb 27 03:13:51 <^Jsn^> i saw a video of canola that allowed the user to drag the screen with the thumbnails like the ipod touch, is that what the tuneing plugin is for?
Feb 27 03:15:26 <k-s> ^Jsn^: canola thumb just generate the thumbnail
Feb 27 03:15:33 <k-s> thumb -> tuning
Feb 27 03:16:03 <k-s> ^Jsn^: the view itself is always present on Canola, go to Audio->My music->Album covers
Feb 27 03:16:10 <^Jsn^> ok
Feb 27 03:25:10 <Lateralus> The windows downloader cannot flash the device either, this device is from before they were sold, to flash in linux I have to unpack the bin file and flash the kernel etc individually
Feb 27 03:25:21 <GeneralAntilles> Ouch
Feb 27 03:25:32 <Lateralus> The device is labeled an "N00"
Feb 27 03:25:49 <johnx> wow O_o
Feb 27 03:25:50 <johnx> neat
Feb 27 03:26:04 <GeneralAntilles> Lateralus, search for the cnet article on installing the original N810 firmware on an N800
Feb 27 03:26:10 <GeneralAntilles> There's a valid MAC range on there.
Feb 27 03:27:57 <GeneralAntilles> Anyway, 001d6e9c0000 to 001d6e9cffff
Feb 27 03:28:16 <Lateralus> GeneralAntilles, got it, thanks!
Feb 27 03:28:25 <Navi> heh
Feb 27 03:28:29 <GeneralAntilles> Now it's in the #maemo logs.
Feb 27 03:28:38 <Navi> hax
Feb 27 03:28:47 <Navi> busted!
Feb 27 03:35:37 <unixSnob> i forgot this stuff was getting logged and posted public.. kinda encourages me to keep the topic strictly business
Feb 27 03:36:08 <GeneralAntilles> Meh, there's enough volume that it doesn't really matter.
Feb 27 03:36:09 <Navi> You're an op?
Feb 27 03:36:32 <GeneralAntilles> One doesn't just browse 3 years of logging.
Feb 27 03:36:34 <unixSnob> op?
Feb 27 03:36:38 <GeneralAntilles> Your face in an op.
Feb 27 03:36:45 <Navi> no u
Feb 27 03:37:04 <johnx> there's a search for the logs, it's not like someone is going to sit down and read them...
Feb 27 03:37:09 <Navi> Anyways, anyone want to trade me an iPhone for my N800?
Feb 27 03:37:24 <Navi> johnx, there ARE losers that read them
Feb 27 03:37:25 <johnx> already giving up? :P
Feb 27 03:37:39 <johnx> right, but losers don't count
Feb 27 03:37:55 <Navi> The N800 sucks, the iPhone is vastly better than the N800
Feb 27 03:38:05 * Navi troll
Feb 27 03:39:04 <unixSnob> The iPhone is better (for resale)
Feb 27 03:39:31 <Navi> the iPhone's screen is like 2x bigger than the N800's
Feb 27 03:39:42 <Navi> and it's processor is like a Core 2 Duo
Feb 27 03:39:49 <johnx> also, it can fly
Feb 27 03:39:49 <Navi> much better than an N800
Feb 27 03:39:51 <unixSnob> you can't be serious, is it?
Feb 27 03:40:08 <Navi> yes, it can fly
Feb 27 03:40:19 <Navi> you just have to use three hands to do the right gesture
Feb 27 03:40:19 <johnx> you've heard it here first people
Feb 27 03:40:25 <derf> Most things can, if you throw them hard enough.
Feb 27 03:40:56 <pupnik> Try Rubybox! - the brand-new dosbox frontend by solmumaha.  http://pupnik.de/dosbox.html
Feb 27 03:41:11 <Navi> dosbox frontend?
Feb 27 03:41:14 <Navi> lame >_>
Feb 27 03:41:30 <derf> "With enough thurst, anything will fly." --NASA
Feb 27 03:41:34 <derf> *thrust
Feb 27 03:42:28 <unixSnob> what is this emoticon: >_> ?  I see that a lot lately
Feb 27 03:42:43 <unixSnob> rolling eyes?
Feb 27 03:49:25 <dookdook> how do you ctl-c from the x terminal?  i hit the ctrl button and then i put in c, but it doesn't appear to be control c'ing (i'm trying to cancel a command line invocation)?
Feb 27 03:49:59 <Navi> That's the way you do it
Feb 27 03:50:02 <Navi> accept it works
Feb 27 03:51:46 <dookdook> it works for you navi?
Feb 27 03:52:11 <GeneralAntilles> unixSnob, wikipedia says "sneer"
Feb 27 03:52:16 <GeneralAntilles> But that's not how I use it.
Feb 27 03:54:07 <briand> apparently, he uses it to exit xchat....
Feb 27 03:54:10 <Navi> s/accept/except/
Feb 27 03:54:10 <infobot> Navi meant: except it works
Feb 27 03:54:24 <Navi> dookdook, yes
Feb 27 03:54:33 <dookdook> hmm...wonder what i'm doing wrong
Feb 27 03:54:36 <Navi> I don't think he uses xchat
Feb 27 03:54:47 <GeneralAntilles> Hmm?
Feb 27 03:54:56 <briand> s/xchat/IRC client/
Feb 27 03:54:56 <infobot> briand meant: apparently, he uses it to exit IRC client....
Feb 27 03:55:40 <dookdook> navi, do you mind trying this for me?  go into x terminal and type "grep ' (return)"
Feb 27 03:55:45 <dookdook> now try and ctr-c to escape...
Feb 27 03:55:56 <Navi> dookdook, I do it all the time.
Feb 27 03:56:39 <dookdook> navi, you have the nokia n800?
Feb 27 04:00:18 <pupnik> Hows your learning SDL programming project going Navi?
Feb 27 04:01:00 <johnx> dookdook, if I "grep '" from xterm ctrl-c wouldn't get me out on any linux (or Unix)
Feb 27 04:01:03 <johnx> you'd need to ctrl-d
Feb 27 04:01:53 <dookdook> johnx, thanks.  from my xterm i can ctrl-c out of it...that was my confusion
Feb 27 04:02:18 <johnx> ah...nevermind...just tested that on ubuntu
Feb 27 04:02:32 <johnx> hmm...my memory must be going...probably means it's time for lunch
Feb 27 04:02:59 <dookdook> i'm really sorry for all the noob question, but i have a few more.  can you add a shortcut to xterm to allow for ctl-c/d?  i can't seem to add a ctrl in the window that pops up for the kb shortcut thing...
Feb 27 04:03:13 <johnx> type <ctrl>
Feb 27 04:03:15 <johnx> I think
Feb 27 04:03:17 <Navi> dookdook, yes
Feb 27 04:03:19 * johnx tries it
Feb 27 04:03:24 <Navi> pupnik, zero progress
Feb 27 04:03:45 <dookdook> navi, is it in fact <ctrl>?
Feb 27 04:03:46 <johnx> yeah, I have one that sends a linefeed, <ctrl>m
Feb 27 04:03:49 <johnx> very handy
Feb 27 04:03:56 <Navi> lol
Feb 27 04:04:00 <johnx> I should probably make a shortcut for yes as well
Feb 27 04:06:01 <GeneralAntilles> Somebody remind me what the value is for pipe.
Feb 27 04:08:32 <lcdd> bar
Feb 27 04:08:45 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe, Bar didn't work. Thanks.
Feb 27 04:09:30 <lcdd> worksforme<tm>
Feb 27 04:14:52 <GeneralAntilles> lcdd, with a capital B.
Feb 27 04:16:09 <dookdook> johnx, thanks
Feb 27 04:28:58 <pupnik> My trick to improve frozen pizzas is teh r0x.  Just smear olive oil on the bottom.
Feb 27 04:29:31 <johnx> gah! I just ate the last frozen pizza in the freezer the other day
Feb 27 04:29:35 * johnx will have to buy more
Feb 27 04:30:18 <Navi> >_>
Feb 27 04:30:56 <Proteous> lol
Feb 27 04:31:25 <Proteous> I like to buy the simple ones and put my own toppings on them
Feb 27 04:40:49 <pupnik> Luckily the generic 'ja' brand in germany is excellent - better IMO than any of the commercial brands. And at 67 cents a pizza, it can qualify as 'unemployment food'.
Feb 27 04:41:13 <Navi> XD
Feb 27 04:41:35 <pupnik> Yeah Proteous me too
Feb 27 04:41:44 * johnx makes lunch
Feb 27 04:41:49 <pupnik> And pizza is never offtopic :P
Feb 27 04:41:58 <Navi> of course not
Feb 27 04:42:05 <Navi> developers always have to have pizza
Feb 27 04:42:23 <shackan> jesus, 67cents ?!
Feb 27 04:43:13 <Navi> Man, looking at these USB keyboards almost warrants just buying an iGo Ultra Slim
Feb 27 04:43:52 <Navi> Like, da hell is this: http://www.nextag.com/Adesso-Rackmount-White-PS-57027350/prices-html
Feb 27 04:43:58 <johnx> yeah, I know what you mean, but I think a shop around here had something decent
Feb 27 04:44:37 <Navi> and this: http://www.nextag.com/MATIAS-Corporation-FK101-Half-573789962/prices-html
Feb 27 04:44:45 <ImMelody> Total newbie, but is there a list of hildon desk widgets and what they do?
Feb 27 04:46:25 <pupnik> hey navi you saw i was working on fixing fceu NES emulator sound?   You might like this.  Here's how it was on Day 2 of 'fixing'... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Iw6D4GF2bs
Feb 27 04:46:57 <Navi> http://shop3.outpost.com/%7Bf5oPnLbczgbb3yyi336Jwg**.node2%7D/product/2885934;jsessionid=f5oPnLbczgbb3yyi336Jwg**.node2?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG
Feb 27 04:47:31 <Navi> nice fix
Feb 27 04:47:34 <Navi> :D
Feb 27 04:48:11 <pupnik> brawaawanangwrrawangngngNGNWGNAWWWNGnghan!
Feb 27 04:48:13 <pupnik> i liked it
Feb 27 04:48:33 <Navi> The NES emulator is a bit slow, overall.
Feb 27 04:48:39 <pupnik> yep!
Feb 27 04:48:59 <pupnik> my new one is running 60 fps on a N770 :P
Feb 27 04:49:10 <Navi> woo
Feb 27 04:49:42 <Navi> When are we going to see teh release?
Feb 27 04:50:22 <johnx> ImMelody, you mean the home applets or are you talking about gtk widgets?
Feb 27 04:50:45 <Navi> home applets are total widget ripoffs
Feb 27 04:51:12 <johnx> the concept is pretty old
Feb 27 04:51:17 <ImMelody> gtk widgets, I think
Feb 27 04:51:18 <Navi> Interesting
Feb 27 04:51:26 <johnx> I don't know if you can call any of them ripoffs anymore
Feb 27 04:51:26 <ImMelody> For the status bar
Feb 27 04:51:31 <Navi> Is it just me, or did those five people join at the same time?
Feb 27 04:51:34 <Navi> johnx, I was kiddin
Feb 27 04:51:51 <ImMelody> They did join at the exact same time.
Feb 27 04:51:53 <johnx> Navi, saw it hear too. I didn't know if you were joking :P
Feb 27 04:52:01 <Navi> I can see at least two of those five are the same people
Feb 27 04:52:05 <johnx> aaah..."statusbar applets" is what you're looking for
Feb 27 04:52:14 * Navi thinks they're bots
Feb 27 04:52:20 * ImMelody agress
Feb 27 04:52:24 * ImMelody agrees*
Feb 27 04:52:35 <johnx> totally inconspicuous
Feb 27 04:52:43 <johnx> they creep in like ninjas
Feb 27 04:53:19 <Navi> five bots joined another channel at exactly the same time
Feb 27 04:53:24 <ImMelody> I'm attempting something way over my head and assumed there would be hildondesktop/hildon-something for both network connection and bluetooth connection
Feb 27 04:53:55 <ImMelody> but I guess I was wrong :D
Feb 27 04:54:19 <Navi> well
Feb 27 04:54:26 <johnx> ImMelody, you're looking for a combined network/bluetooth statusbar applet?
Feb 27 04:54:41 <ImMelody> no, I'm trying to make one with little to no programming experience :D
Feb 27 04:54:50 <Navi> lol
Feb 27 04:55:22 <ImMelody> Of course, with little documentation on both, I'm probably going to fail, but it doesn't hurt to try.
Feb 27 04:56:33 <johnx> for statusbar source you could look at statusbar cpu or rm_you's advanced backlight
Feb 27 04:57:38 <johnx> unfortunately, Nokia hasn't released the source to their own applets
Feb 27 04:57:46 <johnx> as far as I know
Feb 27 04:57:51 <Navi> where can I find xchat for ze N800?
Feb 27 04:58:11 <johnx> google :) xchat chinook
Feb 27 04:58:14 <johnx> first result
Feb 27 04:58:28 <ImMelody> I'm already looking at the advanced backlight one.. but he has some includes that are specific to both the backlight and volume control.. Like hildon-controlbar.h and -hvolumebar.h.. I'm looking for the similar for bluetooth and network...
Feb 27 04:58:56 <ImMelody> but when I look at the hildon list, nothing is especially popping out at me as such..
Feb 27 05:00:24 <pupnik> gronmayer doesn't list ruby repositories for OS2007?
Feb 27 05:02:16 <GeneralAntilles> ImMelody, I dunno that anybody outside of Nokia knows exactly how their work their connection applets.
Feb 27 05:04:21 <ImMelody> yeah.. and I'm going to give up for tonight and pick up here tomorrow night, I guess...
Feb 27 05:04:40 <dragorn> ImMelody: as you might have learned already, nokia doesn't release the source for those
Feb 27 05:05:02 <ImMelody> Yeah.. I was hoping for a lucky shot in the dark to be honest..
Feb 27 05:05:05 <dragorn> ImMelody: for some reason, volume, brightness, and network control applets are considered important enough to be proprietary
Feb 27 05:05:26 <dragorn> ImMelody: you'll have to write your own completely from scratch, I can tell you it'll require dbus and libconic
Feb 27 05:06:00 <dragorn> beyond that I don't think it's documented much.  You *might* be able to get a libconic list, but mostly you call their libs and let them do the connections
Feb 27 05:06:42 <ImMelody> I'm taking the advanced backlight applet and the status bar clock to try and figure out what the hell I'm doing.
Feb 27 05:07:27 <ImMelody> I know I've found some bluetooth files at least on my tablet when browsing around... so that's where I'm planning on starting.
Feb 27 05:07:56 <GeneralAntilles> How many states does the Bluetooth applet have?
Feb 27 05:07:59 <GeneralAntilles> On/idle/off?
Feb 27 05:08:08 <ImMelody> yeah
Feb 27 05:08:37 <ImMelody> on is blue, idle is white and off disappears.. though, I was planning on making it greyed
Feb 27 05:09:06 <GeneralAntilles> Planning on doing your own icon?
Feb 27 05:09:11 <johnx> greyed or a red / would be nice
Feb 27 05:09:11 <ImMelody> yeah
Feb 27 05:09:27 <dragorn> Hell I'd like it to not take away the icon when bt is turned off
Feb 27 05:09:28 <ImMelody> the graphics is the one thing I'm NOT worried about, lol
Feb 27 05:09:32 <dragorn> makes turning it on non-intuitive
Feb 27 05:10:28 <GeneralAntilles> Having the icon show the level would be nice, too, if it's not too much of a resource hog.
Feb 27 05:11:24 <Navi> where can I find xchat for ze N800?
Feb 27 05:11:27 <Navi> oops
Feb 27 05:12:07 <johnx> Navi fails it :P
Feb 27 05:12:30 <Navi800> No I don't.
Feb 27 05:13:17 <johnx> ah the joy of an onscreen keyboard
Feb 27 05:14:29 <GeneralAntilles> 5 levels of wifi (disconnected-full), 3 levels of Bluetooth (on, off, idle), 2 for phone (data call, packet data), offline.
Feb 27 05:14:32 <GeneralAntilles> So, 22 icons?
Feb 27 05:14:59 <Navi> only 22?
Feb 27 05:15:15 <GeneralAntilles> I'm thinking color the dot at the bottom of the normal wifi icon to indicate Bluetooth.
Feb 27 05:15:32 <ImMelody> there are two sets of wifi
Feb 27 05:15:43 <GeneralAntilles> 23
Feb 27 05:15:47 <GeneralAntilles> er, 25
Feb 27 05:15:50 <GeneralAntilles> ad-hoc
Feb 27 05:15:56 <GeneralAntilles> But there's no levels for ad-hoc.
Feb 27 05:15:58 <ImMelody> public access points come up with the dot on top
Feb 27 05:16:12 <GeneralAntilles> s/public access points/ad-hoc/
Feb 27 05:16:32 <johnx> xp machines pretending to be access points
Feb 27 05:16:42 <GeneralAntilles> That, mostly.
Feb 27 05:16:59 <ImMelody> ok.. so 25 icons..
Feb 27 05:17:41 <GeneralAntilles> You could also color the whole icon to indicate Bluetooth status, which would save you from having to rework the phone icons.
Feb 27 05:19:44 <ImMelody> maybe white for no bluetooth, green for idle and blue for connected
Feb 27 05:20:08 <ImMelody> just to keep up with the existing color scheme
Feb 27 05:20:21 <GeneralAntilles> Hmm, most of the time it'll be idling, having the applet green most of the time doesn't suit my tastes. :P
Feb 27 05:20:28 <GeneralAntilles> Kinda breaks the look, too.
Feb 27 05:20:52 <johnx> white for idle, red slash for off
Feb 27 05:22:00 <ImMelody> I don't really want to do a red slash over the top of the network connection
Feb 27 05:22:13 <johnx> just an idea :)
Feb 27 05:22:44 <ImMelody> Thanks... Maybe a faded red slash would work 25% opacity?
Feb 27 05:23:14 <johnx> It really doesn't matter to me
Feb 27 05:23:42 <johnx> I just throw out ideas...I'm not particularly attached to them
Feb 27 05:23:46 <ImMelody> well, it made me think of the fact that it would look too much like the regular network connection if it didn't have anything on it
Feb 27 05:24:37 <ImMelody> Anyways.. It's past midnight, and I gotta get the kiddo off to school in the morning.
Feb 27 05:24:45 <ImMelody> Thanks for the input and ideas guys!
Feb 27 05:25:03 <johnx> sure
Feb 27 05:25:07 <johnx> g'night
Feb 27 05:35:41 <GeneralAntilles> Statusbar applet icons are fun.
Feb 27 06:08:27 <pupnik> Failed_to_Load_Buttons IMG_LoadGIF_RW: JPEG loading error
Feb 27 06:08:39 <Navi800> lol
Feb 27 06:08:54 <Navi800> :D
Feb 27 06:09:20 * pupnik sighs
Feb 27 06:09:35 <kaje> Does anyone know what the supported video resolution is for the N810? I'm trying to watch an AVI and it says "Video resolution not supported"
Feb 27 06:09:53 <pupnik> with what video playing program?
Feb 27 06:10:06 <Navi800> max is 800x480
Feb 27 06:10:20 <johnx> and 800x480 won't exactly play well
Feb 27 06:10:37 <Navi800> video will be scaled down if bigger on standard players
Feb 27 06:10:47 <johnx> between 400x240 and 5XX x 3XX is the sweet spot
Feb 27 06:11:08 <johnx> also, you might be interested in mplayer
Feb 27 06:11:09 <Navi> I use 528x480 ^^
Feb 27 06:11:23 <Navi> I need to tone it down, frame drops a tad bit
Feb 27 06:11:26 <kaje> whatever the default media player is... I tried watching it on mplayer, but it skips... must be too much for the processor...?
Feb 27 06:11:54 <Navi> Not the processor's fault
Feb 27 06:11:58 <johnx> that or too much data for the limited bandwidth between the CPU and LCD controller
Feb 27 06:12:00 <Navi> it's the LCD controller
Feb 27 06:12:03 <Navi> bus
Feb 27 06:12:08 <johnx> Navi, it could be either
Feb 27 06:12:21 <kaje> oh, interesting
Feb 27 06:12:21 <GeneralAntilles> It's ALL the bus when you really get down to it.
Feb 27 06:12:22 <johnx> above 640x480 you're pushing the CPU pretty hard as well
Feb 27 06:12:33 <GeneralAntilles> Because we'd have hardware decoding if we didn't have to use a 3rd party controller. :P
Feb 27 06:12:39 <Navi> woo
Feb 27 06:13:06 * Navi crosses his fingers
Feb 27 06:13:08 <Navi> come on OMAP3
Feb 27 06:17:40 <GeneralAntilles> The N900 is either going to be really badass or really disappointing.
Feb 27 06:18:30 <johnx> I'm glad we already moved to EABI and that they got their ABI/API breakage in when they did
Feb 27 06:18:34 <Navi> If it can at least play a normal video without scaling down, I'd be happy.
Feb 27 06:20:07 <GeneralAntilles> Be nice if the 3440 turns out to be light enough on the power to use.
Feb 27 06:20:19 <Navi> :P
Feb 27 06:20:46 <Navi> I doubt that the N900 will use the 3440s anyways that the N900 will use the
Feb 27 06:20:52 <Navi> ...
Feb 27 06:21:00 <Navi> I doubt that the N900 will use the 3440s anyways
Feb 27 06:21:07 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
Feb 27 06:21:11 <GeneralAntilles> It'll be the 3430
Feb 27 06:21:14 <GeneralAntilles> Which is plenty good
Feb 27 06:21:19 <GeneralAntilles> Just not quite as badass.
Feb 27 06:42:34 <Navi> Yeah
Feb 27 06:42:40 <Navi> maybe :P
Feb 27 06:50:16 <pupnik> yeah, how do you know what it will use?
Feb 27 06:52:08 <Navi> We don't know what it'll use, we can speculate.
Feb 27 06:52:25 <Navi> s/,/ but/
Feb 27 06:52:25 <infobot> Navi meant: We don't know what it'll use but we can speculate.
Feb 27 06:53:05 <GeneralAntilles> There are a fairly limited number of options to choose from.
Feb 27 06:53:09 <johnx> is any other Nokia product using that yet?
Feb 27 06:53:29 <GeneralAntilles> johnx, there isn't anything in production with OMAP3 yet.
Feb 27 06:53:34 <Navi> today's woot is a 2GB SD card for 7 bucks
Feb 27 06:53:38 <Navi> buy now!
Feb 27 06:53:52 <johnx> that's almost a good deal
Feb 27 06:53:57 <GeneralAntilles> Logically speaking, there's no way Nokia is gonna do an architecture change
Feb 27 06:54:10 <Navi> ARM is a must for a portable device
Feb 27 06:54:17 <GeneralAntilles> Their partnership basically means that they wont use anything but TI
Feb 27 06:54:24 <johnx> these days, there's nothing else besides x86 and ARM
Feb 27 06:54:25 <GeneralAntilles> and we've hit the end of the line with OMAP2.
Feb 27 06:54:31 <johnx> and they have no experience with x86
Feb 27 06:54:42 <Navi> x86 is too power consuming.
Feb 27 06:54:50 <johnx> it is now
Feb 27 06:54:53 <GeneralAntilles> So we're left with OMAP3.
Feb 27 06:55:07 <johnx> they might stick with the OMAP2 for longer than you think though
Feb 27 06:55:22 <GeneralAntilles> We're due for a generational change.
Feb 27 06:55:25 <Navi> sell the same hardware yet again?
Feb 27 06:55:39 <Navi> how faggy, N900's hardware has to be bumped up.
Feb 27 06:55:40 <GeneralAntilles> If they dump another OMAP2 on us, I'm going elsewhere. <_<
Feb 27 06:55:59 <johnx> where? pandora? umpc?
Feb 27 06:56:12 <Navi> Intel MID.
Feb 27 06:56:22 <Navi> if applicable
Feb 27 06:56:38 <johnx> I am interested in seeing the performance intel manages to get out of their new low-power chips
Feb 27 06:56:49 <GeneralAntilles> Pandora is the only one I know that's got OMAP3.
Feb 27 06:56:53 <johnx> arstechnica is thinking they might not be much faster than ARM clock-for-clock
Feb 27 06:57:17 <GeneralAntilles> johnx, probably nowhere.
Feb 27 06:57:30 <Navi> The current/older x86 line consume more power and perform horribly.
Feb 27 06:58:44 <Navi> s/x86/ULV x86/
Feb 27 06:58:44 <infobot> Navi meant: The current/older ULV x86 line consume more power and perform horribly.
Feb 27 06:58:44 <johnx> yeah, I know. But counting Intel out is something that comes back to bite you :)
Feb 27 06:58:44 <Navi> s/x86 consume/ULV x86 consumes/
Feb 27 06:58:44 <johnx> AMD did that once...
Feb 27 06:58:44 <Navi> pah
Feb 27 06:58:44 <Navi> Too bad they didn't work more on xscale
Feb 27 06:58:44 <Navi> they could of taken that somewhere.
Feb 27 06:59:07 <johnx> yeah, they were taking it the same direction as the P4: high clock speeds and long pipelines
Feb 27 06:59:07 <GeneralAntilles> Be nice if we could kill x86 dead and move on to a real architecture.
Feb 27 06:59:35 <Navi> johnx, after that, they could take it where Intel took the company, C2D line.
Feb 27 06:59:35 <johnx> anyways, I'm out of here for a couple minutes...
Feb 27 07:00:17 <Navi> s/the company/x86/
Feb 27 07:00:17 <infobot> Navi meant: johnx, after that, they could take it where Intel took x86, C2D line.
Feb 27 07:00:31 <GeneralAntilles> You just love that bot, don't you? :P
Feb 27 07:00:50 <Navi> I make lots of mistakes while typing, the bot gives me an excuse to be lazy
Feb 27 07:05:03 <pupnik> gah where's a good primer on sdl 8-bit palettes
Feb 27 07:05:24 <Navi> O_o
Feb 27 07:05:31 <Navi> are you drawing buttons?
Feb 27 07:05:39 <Navi> 'cuz those buttons are dirt ugly
Feb 27 07:05:47 <Navi> fceu, that is
Feb 27 07:06:24 <Navi> black rectangles with white borders is much more sexier
Feb 27 07:06:37 <pupnik> you can draw any buttons you want, but you have to use a default set of like 8 or 16 colors at the moment
Feb 27 07:06:38 <Navi> s/is/are/
Feb 27 07:06:38 <infobot> Navi meant: black rectangles with white borders are much more sexier
Feb 27 07:07:02 <pupnik> yeah you can do simple buttons just white borders
Feb 27 07:07:24 <pupnik> ls /usr/share/fceu/
Feb 27 07:07:25 <pupnik> /usr/share/fceu/a-button.bmp       /usr/share/fceu/save-button.bmp
Feb 27 07:07:27 <pupnik> etc
Feb 27 07:07:45 * Navi forgot he owned an N800 for a second there
Feb 27 07:08:06 <Navi> I was about to say: Heh, I don't have an N800 anyways :P
Feb 27 07:08:29 <Navi> Even though it's right in front of me
Feb 27 07:08:54 <pupnik> save them as 8-bit bmp, no RLE compression
Feb 27 07:10:25 <GeneralAntilles> Go to bed, Navi.
Feb 27 07:10:36 <Navi> GeneralAntilles, you're one to talk.
Feb 27 07:10:41 <GeneralAntilles> :P
Feb 27 07:10:48 <GeneralAntilles> I'm not forgetting I own things. :D
Feb 27 07:11:28 <Navi> Oh yeah? At least I'm not GeneralAntilles.
Feb 27 07:12:17 <GeneralAntilles> Hey! Listen! 'least I'm not Navi.
Feb 27 07:12:34 <czr> at least I'm not czr.
Feb 27 07:12:45 * czr is busy being someone else, just woke up.
Feb 27 07:13:24 * GeneralAntilles claims czr as one of his alternate personalities.
Feb 27 07:13:26 <Navi> Pimlico looks like a good PIM solution
Feb 27 07:13:29 <Navi> even does syncing and crap
Feb 27 07:13:40 * czr claims GeneralAntilles as his primary personality
Feb 27 07:13:42 <czr> hah!
Feb 27 07:13:51 * czr watches GA busyloop
Feb 27 07:13:54 <Navi> czr, you know you're going to die in the first movie.
Feb 27 07:13:56 * GeneralAntilles implodes.
Feb 27 07:14:06 <Navi> I wouldn't want to be GeneralAntilles.
Feb 27 07:14:09 <czr> Navi, I knew that.
Feb 27 07:14:22 <czr> Navi, that's why I'm telling de niro that I'm busy whenever he calls.
Feb 27 07:15:16 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
Feb 27 07:15:58 <Navi> ^_^
Feb 27 07:30:53 <Navi> You have to buy a license to use maps?
Feb 27 07:31:43 <jeddy3> Navi, maps software, no
Feb 27 07:32:09 <GeneralAntilles> License is for turn-by-turn.
Feb 27 07:32:19 <jeddy3> excactly
Feb 27 07:33:05 <melmoth> talking about that, is there some free (beer&speech) projects to get city and country road graph ?
Feb 27 07:33:08 <Navi> turn-by-turn?
Feb 27 07:33:34 <johnx> openstreetmap?
Feb 27 07:35:25 <pupnik> unique311: around?
Feb 27 07:39:20 <unique311> yep
Feb 27 07:48:53 <jku> openstreetmap is "graphic-only", not really graph
Feb 27 07:49:40 <jku> can't handle turning restrictions as an example
Feb 27 07:51:23 <johnx> I didn't know what was meant by graph
Feb 27 07:52:53 <jku> it's a shame, because it's so close... there's alot of stuff you could if the data was good
Feb 27 07:53:24 <jku> lot of stuff you could _do_
Feb 27 07:53:36 <johnx> can't you get their data and use it any way you wanted to?
Feb 27 07:54:37 <jku> sure, but the data is not computer-readable, so to speak
Feb 27 07:55:06 <jku> as in: you can't optimize routes in osm data
Feb 27 07:55:53 <johnx> they don't have their gpx files available?
Feb 27 07:56:07 <jku> that has nothing to do with the map data really
Feb 27 07:56:29 <johnx> ah, I'm probably out of my depth with this stuff...
Feb 27 07:56:49 <johnx> anyways, need to reboot my desktop into a new kernel
Feb 27 07:57:03 <jku> the street data is basically hand drawn on top of gps points and maybe satellite photos
Feb 27 07:57:04 * johnx will be back (if this works)
Feb 27 08:07:06 <InteliWasp> is it posible to update the n800 without fully charging it?
Feb 27 08:07:24 <GeneralAntilles> It'll let you flash it with 1% battery, you just wont get all the way through.
Feb 27 08:07:49 <GeneralAntilles> You could also just plug it in after it starts flashing.
Feb 27 08:07:51 <InteliWasp> i just want to flash it before i go to bed
Feb 27 08:08:09 <GeneralAntilles> Start the flasher
Feb 27 08:08:12 <GeneralAntilles> Plug in the usb
Feb 27 08:08:17 <GeneralAntilles> hold down the swap/home key
Feb 27 08:08:19 <GeneralAntilles> turn it on
Feb 27 08:08:22 <GeneralAntilles> plug in the charger.
Feb 27 08:08:39 <InteliWasp> can i leave the charger cable in for the entire process?
Feb 27 08:10:09 <pupnik> i think you're not supposed to have the charger in
Feb 27 08:12:43 <GeneralAntilles> It doesn't matter
Feb 27 08:12:52 <GeneralAntilles> The only reason they tell you to leave it out is so that it actually shuts down.
Feb 27 08:13:15 <nuuneoi> hi all
Feb 27 08:13:45 <nuuneoi> Does anyone here know about N810 device program?
Feb 27 08:14:00 <pupnik> yes
Feb 27 08:14:21 <nuuneoi> thanks :)
Feb 27 08:14:28 <nuuneoi> I have some problem about discount code
Feb 27 08:15:09 <nuuneoi> I tried to put my discount code in "Gift/Reward Code"
Feb 27 08:15:31 <nuuneoi> but only thing I got was "The gift certificate has no balance"
Feb 27 08:15:51 <nuuneoi> Did I do something wrong?
Feb 27 08:16:29 <nuuneoi> for more information, I tried to buy it via nokiausa.com
Feb 27 08:17:03 <pupnik> did you use the second code they sent you?
Feb 27 08:17:14 <nuuneoi> first and second are the same
Feb 27 08:17:21 <InteliWasp> yay it's done!
Feb 27 08:17:30 <pupnik> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11618&highlight=discount+codes  dunno check the thread for discussion nuuneoi
Feb 27 08:18:04 <nuuneoi> really thanks pupnik
Feb 27 08:18:37 <nuuneoi> actually I browsed through internettablettalk already
Feb 27 08:18:51 <nuuneoi> but look like no one have same problem as me T_T
Feb 27 08:19:54 <nuuneoi> thank you anyway, pupnik
Feb 27 08:20:20 <nuuneoi> look like I can't do anything
Feb 27 08:20:21 <nuuneoi> T_T
Feb 27 08:44:30 <melmoth> gstreamer question: what i cannot connect the output of wavparse to an autoaudiodetectsink
Feb 27 08:44:45 <melmoth> i suppose there must be some stuff to plug in betwenn the 2. any idea ?
Feb 27 08:55:13 <pupnik> dunno
Feb 27 08:55:49 <pupnik> melmoth: what's the lowest cpu cost, closest-to-native audio sink?  seems like gstreamer is the answer, yes?
Feb 27 08:56:19 <melmoth> i have no clue at all
Feb 27 08:56:26 <melmoth> sound is completly new to me
Feb 27 08:56:34 <melmoth> and i suck at it, big style :)
Feb 27 08:57:32 <melmoth> currently, i use mplayer to play wav file generated on the fly, but i guess it s no good, nor for the cpu load, not for memory usage, not for memory card life expectancy
Feb 27 09:00:30 <pupnik> with gst-tools you can play a sound file (mp3, wav) from a system call
Feb 27 09:01:19 * melmoth is googling it
Feb 27 09:01:36 <melmoth> the root of my problem is: to generate french text to speak on the fly
Feb 27 09:02:01 <melmoth> so i use espeak, who just does not seem to make sound when i launch it, but it can generate wav on stdout
Feb 27 09:02:38 <melmoth> first problem i have is to play wave file with a more regular gstreamer chain than 'playbin'.
Feb 27 09:03:00 <pupnik> maybe the thing to do is fix espeak
Feb 27 09:03:32 <melmoth> mhhh. may be
Feb 27 09:04:41 <pupnik> if you just want a program to play wav files quickly i might have one that works
Feb 27 09:14:33 <ynezz> Hoho, my N810 just arrived. And I don't have to pay anything to the customs! :D
Feb 27 09:15:50 <GnutoN810> hi
Feb 27 09:20:37 <melmoth> pupnik: do you have an url ?
Feb 27 09:20:49 <melmoth> i have a solution right now (mplayer), but it s a crappy one.
Feb 27 09:21:12 <melmoth> i need to play with gstreamer again before making a cleaner solution
Feb 27 09:21:33 <melmoth> right now, it s too weird for me, need to read more and play more before writing my own stuff
Feb 27 09:23:17 <pupnik> gst-launch-0.10 filesrc location=whatever.wav ! wavparse ! dsppcmsink
Feb 27 09:23:19 <pupnik> or something
Feb 27 09:23:42 <pupnik> see http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2006-12-16.log.html and other logs about gst-launch
Feb 27 09:23:58 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Feb 27 09:26:09 <melmoth> or the gst-launch worsk
Feb 27 09:26:41 <melmoth> what i dont get is if i make the same chain in python, then it says wavparser cannot be plugged in my audiosink
Feb 27 09:27:54 <AD-N770> bon dia / good morning
Feb 27 09:27:55 <melmoth> so i m wondering if gst-launch may not add some filter of some sort automagically in the chain
Feb 27 09:28:19 <AD-N770> melmoth: playbin?
Feb 27 09:28:54 <melmoth> it works with playbin, but then playbin looks like a black box to me
Feb 27 09:29:30 <AD-N770> melmoth: extend your question, I just arrived now
Feb 27 09:30:16 <melmoth> AD-N770: final goal is to use espeak to make french text to speech
Feb 27 09:30:34 <melmoth> i can generate wav on the fly as espeak stdout
Feb 27 09:31:01 <melmoth> i m looking to play this wavfile with python. Right now, i wirte it on a file, and play it with mplayer.
Feb 27 09:31:25 <melmoth> I have 2 problems: 1) wich audiosink to plug the output of the wavparse plugin to.
Feb 27 09:32:10 <melmoth> 2) how to feedb the stdout of epseak to the gstreamer chain instead of using a file source
Feb 27 09:32:15 <AD-N770> for 1) your probably need audioconvert ! dsppcmsink
Feb 27 09:33:25 <melmoth> AD-N770: on my laptop now, so using alsasink instead of dsppcmsink. I ll try audioconvert,but if i need it, why si the following making sound ? :
Feb 27 09:33:29 <melmoth> gst-launch-0.10 filesrc location = "/home/melmoth/deng.wav"  ! wavparse ! alsasink
Feb 27 09:34:03 <AD-N770> melmoth: sorry, I thought that I was on maemo
Feb 27 09:34:14 <AD-N770> melmoth: audioconvert ! alsasink
Feb 27 09:35:41 <melmoth> You are on maemo, when i test stuff on laptop i use alsasink, and i switch to dsppcmsink on the table (but i feel more conveninet to test stuff on the lappy)
Feb 27 09:36:30 <AD-N770> melmoth: I'm agree it's easier to do on the laptop :)
Feb 27 09:36:52 <AD-N770> melmoth: you can use also autoaudiosink
Feb 27 09:37:17 <AD-N770> melmoth: which will be the default audio sink of the platform
Feb 27 09:39:21 <melmoth> AD-N770: http://pastebin.com/d19e676a7 gives me:    wavparser.link(convert)
Feb 27 09:39:21 <melmoth> gst.LinkError: failed to link wav-parser with audio-convert
Feb 27 09:39:34 <AD-N770> let me check
Feb 27 09:42:15 <hrw> morning
Feb 27 09:42:18 <AD-N770> melmoth: gst-launch-0.10 filesrc location=t.wav ! wavparse ! audioconvert ! alsasink
Feb 27 09:42:28 <AD-N770> melmoth: this work for me
Feb 27 09:42:30 <melmoth> with gst-launch it works
Feb 27 09:42:41 <melmoth> even without the audioconvert
Feb 27 09:43:15 <melmoth>  gst-launch-0.10 filesrc location = "/home/melmoth/deng.wav"  ! wavparse ! alsasink
Feb 27 09:43:18 <melmoth> this maks bing
Feb 27 09:44:05 <AD-N770> melmoth: I suggest you to add audioconvert to be sure that the wav format matches the required one by the sink
Feb 27 09:44:17 <AD-N770> melmoth: this is what playbin does
Feb 27 09:45:14 <AD-N770> melmoth: http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/data/doc/gstreamer/head/manual/html/chapter-helloworld.html#section-helloworld
Feb 27 09:46:13 <AD-N770> melmoth: srcpads from wavparse are Availability: Sometimes
Feb 27 09:46:23 <melmoth> AD-N770: this is where i m lost, i try to compare the src capability of wavparse and the sink capability of alsasink
Feb 27 09:47:17 <melmoth> yep, gst-inspect show me "sometimes" too. I wonder whta does it mean :=)
Feb 27 09:47:26 <AD-N770> melmoth: I think that you have two different problems, you can't link all the elements directly in your code
Feb 27 09:47:56 <AD-N770> melmoth: you need to wait until the srcpad for wavparse is created
Feb 27 09:48:21 <AD-N770> melmoth: and then link the audioconvert ! alsasink pair
Feb 27 09:48:41 <melmoth> ok, that is a good hint.
Feb 27 09:48:51 <AD-N770> melmoth: the sample code in the previous url does that
Feb 27 09:49:16 <melmoth> ok thanks, i ll study this url closely then.
Feb 27 09:49:37 <AD-N770> melmoth: read the comment: /* link together - note that we cannot link the parser and
Feb 27 09:49:37 <AD-N770>    * decoder yet, becuse the parser uses dynamic pads. For that,
Feb 27 09:49:37 <AD-N770>    * we set a pad-added signal handler. */
Feb 27 09:51:24 <melmoth> ok, i need to get signaled when a new pad is in the pipe, and only link the new pad in the callback, so m i sure it existe when the link occurs.
Feb 27 09:51:28 <melmoth> or so i guess
Feb 27 09:51:41 <AD-N770> melmoth: yes
Feb 27 10:01:27 <dookdook> does anyone have a small project as a suggestion for me to program?  something to get my feet wet but not completely useless?
Feb 27 10:01:47 <AD-N770> melmoth: look at fdsrc element to push data to your pipeline from espeak stdout
Feb 27 10:03:27 <AD-N770> melmoth: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Speech_synthesis
Feb 27 10:08:45 <melmoth> Hmmm
Feb 27 10:08:48 <melmoth> espeak --stdout "Ello world." | gst-launch-0.10 fdsrc fd=0 ! wavparse ! alsasink
Feb 27 10:08:51 <melmoth> this works.
Feb 27 10:09:02 <melmoth> i m sure i did not manage to make it work this week end :)
Feb 27 10:09:14 <melmoth> i wonder what i did wrong, now it just..works
Feb 27 10:20:36 <AD-N770> dookdook: do you want to write arm assembly optimizations?
Feb 27 10:35:39 <dookdook> ad-n770, i guess i could be persuaded...haven't done assembly in a couple of years.  might be fun.  what'd you have in mind?
Feb 27 10:37:33 <AD-N770> dookdook: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/libmpeg2/idct_armv5te.c?root=mplayer&view=markup
Feb 27 10:38:13 <AD-N770> dookdook: I wrote this sometime ago to speed up mpeg2 decoding on arm5e (n770)
Feb 27 10:38:52 <AD-N770> dookbook: I know that could be rewritten for arm6/n8x0 using the new media instructions
Feb 27 10:39:13 <AD-N770> dookdook: but I don't find time to write it :)
Feb 27 10:40:02 <AD-N770> dookdook: I'm waiting for a baby in next two weeks
Feb 27 10:40:21 <dookdook> congrats.
Feb 27 10:40:28 <dookdook> what kind of state is this in?
Feb 27 10:40:54 <AD-N770> dookdook: it works and provided an improvement of about 10% on the nokia 770
Feb 27 10:41:20 <dookdook> the n800 uses a slightly different chip?  so this wouldn't work for the n800?
Feb 27 10:41:33 <AD-N770> dookdook: It also works on the n800
Feb 27 10:41:46 <dookdook> ah, but there are more improvements to be made?
Feb 27 10:41:51 <AD-N770> dookdook: arm6 includes all features of arm5e
Feb 27 10:44:40 <AD-N770> dookdook: arm6 include SMLAD/SMLSD instructions that performs the two multiplies and add/substract on 16bits operands that are perfect for the butterflies
Feb 27 10:46:53 <AD-N770> dookdook: also the cliping can be done with only one instruction SSAT/USAT instead of several instructions in a conditional
Feb 27 10:47:08 <dookdook> i've never done mpeg decoding before.  can you give me some pointers to tutorials/web sites (or just give me an overview)?  and do you have a list of the instruction set for the arm6?
Feb 27 10:49:15 <AD-N770> dookdook: http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp, I use to have the Quick Reference Card printed at hand
Feb 27 10:56:39 <AD-N770> dookdook: http://vsr.informatik.tu-chemnitz.de/~jan/MPEG/HTML/idct_discussion/Index.html
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