**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Feb 29 10:59:56 2008 Feb 29 11:27:43 hi Feb 29 11:27:52 is there any russification for maemo ? Feb 29 11:29:37 XATRIX: Russian is supported on internet tablets out of the box Feb 29 11:31:01 XATRIX: stop asking, buy it already :-) Feb 29 11:31:29 is there an irc channel dedicated to maemo-mapper? Feb 29 11:31:34 BTobotras> :) Feb 29 11:32:08 BTobotras> i bought it :))) it will be delivered to me today :) Feb 29 11:32:19 ooh, congrats :) Feb 29 11:32:19 XATRIX: oh, congrats! Which one? Feb 29 11:33:10 770 ! i can't deal with that web-shop Feb 29 11:33:26 anyway it would be my FIRST tablet :) Feb 29 11:33:44 so...i'll upgrade to 800 sometime later Feb 29 11:34:38 any reason you didn't buy an 800 now? Feb 29 11:35:18 in is much more expensive than 770....here in ukraine Feb 29 11:35:28 ~550$ Feb 29 11:35:41 hello Feb 29 11:35:43 ah yeah Feb 29 11:35:45 i bought 770 for 200 Feb 29 11:35:47 hey michele_ Feb 29 11:35:48 $ Feb 29 11:35:50 hi Feb 29 11:36:12 I got the N810 gps to fix at 10000m and 730km/h :) Feb 29 11:36:27 :) Feb 29 11:36:28 michele_: great! =) Feb 29 11:36:59 too bad I didn't have anything to get a screenshoot Feb 29 11:37:03 hehe Feb 29 11:37:15 phone gps's get a fix pretty good at airplanes too Feb 29 11:37:16 michele_: get that load applet thing Feb 29 11:37:33 aquatix: I am not on the plane anymore Feb 29 11:37:46 michele_: for the trip back or something ;) Feb 29 11:37:58 I am already back :( Feb 29 11:38:12 i saw, there's a bootloader for booting from MMC cards? isn't there ? so i can boot any other linux witch supports ARM arch ? Feb 29 11:38:14 i'll take a screenshot in May when i'm flying Feb 29 11:38:16 for example gentoo ? Feb 29 11:38:57 XATRIX: start here http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Debian Feb 29 11:39:22 ok Feb 29 11:40:04 XATRIX, you're stuck with the Nokia kernel Feb 29 11:40:24 well, you can recompile Nokia's kernel from source if you want Feb 29 11:40:26 arrrgh.....why are you directing me to this forum ? it has background 810 :))))) Feb 29 11:41:37 oh...it supports cpu freq scaling :) Feb 29 11:41:42 XATRIX: but what for? Just use whatever cames from Nokia. There are many more insteresting things to do with tablet than just booting "your personal" kernel... Feb 29 11:41:46 not on the 770... Feb 29 11:41:50 hi Feb 29 11:42:19 BTobotras: it's gentoo! it's more optimizied! Feb 29 11:42:21 * michele_ runs Feb 29 11:42:30 :) Feb 29 11:42:34 johnx> there's no cpufreq on 770 at all ? Feb 29 11:42:41 or just not preinstalled Feb 29 11:42:41 I don't believe so Feb 29 11:42:54 cpufreq is a feature of the kernel Feb 29 11:43:08 if the kernel doesn't support it, then installing different programs won't change that Feb 29 11:43:20 Debian on the tablets still uses Nokia's kernel Feb 29 11:43:21 yes...i know....i have centrino lappy Feb 29 11:43:42 i mean is this future supported by hardware of device ? Feb 29 11:44:02 maybe, but I doubt anyone will write a driver for the 770 Feb 29 11:45:07 so...i guess i would be the first one who will try to run gentoo linux on 770 ? Feb 29 11:45:14 yes Feb 29 11:45:22 as far as I know Feb 29 11:45:23 XATRIX: why would you want to do that? Feb 29 11:45:50 770 is already about as overclocked as it's gonna get. Feb 29 11:45:59 you can follow a lot of the info about putting Debian on the tablet Feb 29 11:46:00 herzi: 'cause he's got too much spare time at his hands? Feb 29 11:46:04 * BTobotras hides Feb 29 11:46:04 and the OMAP1710 can't do voltage scaling, so underclocking really wont save you any battery. Feb 29 11:46:14 herzi> i like to make an experiments:) Feb 29 11:46:24 XATRIX, good for you :D Feb 29 11:46:40 XATRIX: and what would be the outcome of the experiment? (you want to have a certain outreach, no?) Feb 29 11:47:26 eemm....do you mean outcom = result ? Feb 29 11:47:31 source based distro on 770... you will need a lot of spare time Feb 29 11:47:35 i'm not so good in english :) sorry Feb 29 11:47:40 XATRIX: yeah Feb 29 11:47:41 XATRIX: yes Feb 29 11:48:01 let me rephrase it: what do you want to "win" by using gentoo? you can hardly optimize the compiled software more than it already is Feb 29 11:48:30 XATRIX, just as an example the kernel will probably take a day or two to compile if you have your source on NFS... Feb 29 11:48:53 you can always cross-compile Feb 29 11:48:56 gentoo is a fastest linux distribution that i ever saw....and it could be optimized as far as you can Feb 29 11:49:12 it's hoax Feb 29 11:49:15 and Feb 29 11:49:17 myeah, but don't you think nokia optimised for the thing already? Feb 29 11:49:24 the distribution Nokia provides is already optimized specifically for this hardware... Feb 29 11:49:37 but I think you should try it if you want to Feb 29 11:49:41 maybe i'm wrong...but debian on 770 would be "cuted" edition Feb 29 11:49:47 * michele_ misses funroll-loops.org Feb 29 11:49:50 not full futured Feb 29 11:50:08 The Debian thats mentioned on that wiki is *the real Debian* Feb 29 11:50:25 all the packages that can be compiled for arm are available Feb 29 11:50:27 right out of the box Feb 29 11:50:30 michele_: :-) Feb 29 11:50:36 ricers! Feb 29 11:51:30 and i just want to experiment with full rebuild of nokia as far as it possible :) customization...optimization Feb 29 11:51:35 herzi, he wants to try. let him. :) maybe he can help me figure out how to get sound working right in a non-Nokia distro. :) Feb 29 11:51:45 and just find of a new way of using it :) Feb 29 11:52:23 sounds interesting, XATRIX :) Feb 29 11:52:34 johnx: I'm not stopping him Feb 29 11:52:41 herzi> sorry for my qustion....are you a developer of maemo or nokia crew ? Feb 29 11:52:42 but i think cross-compiling will be key, as compiling on the n770 will take years ;) Feb 29 11:52:59 :) Feb 29 11:53:01 aquatix, you're being optimistic O_o Feb 29 11:53:02 XATRIX: I maintain an application which also includes its maemo-port Feb 29 11:53:26 an open-source app Feb 29 11:53:33 johnx: i always am ;) Feb 29 11:54:18 ah....i know how to say it in russian....but my english knowledge is not enough :))) Feb 29 11:54:33 I JUST NEED SOMETHING TO START FROM :)) Feb 29 11:54:38 oh...sorry for caps Feb 29 11:55:26 XATRIX: if you need some ideas for maemo-related hacking, take a look here http://tinyurl.com/ynnl3x Feb 29 11:55:56 ok...i'll definetly take a look there Feb 29 11:55:58 * BTobotras confirms his previous diagnosis: too much spare time :) Feb 29 11:56:11 herzi: monkey bubble works on maemo?! Feb 29 11:56:15 michele_: yes Feb 29 11:56:27 *bong* Feb 29 11:56:35 XATRIX, grab a gentoo arm stage3 and look at "how I did it" on the debian on N800 wiki Feb 29 11:56:37 michele_: fallen off the chair? Feb 29 11:56:39 BTobotras: ;) Feb 29 11:56:42 a lot of the problems I ran into will apply Feb 29 11:56:45 we can only be jealous ;) Feb 29 11:56:45 herzi: right Feb 29 11:57:00 someone from finland made a port (I guess he did it in his job for nokia) Feb 29 11:57:02 johnx> ok.... Feb 29 11:57:06 herzi: are there packages available? Feb 29 11:57:08 and then I merged the diff back into upstream Feb 29 11:57:13 no, I'm too lazy Feb 29 11:57:27 but it should be quite easy once you have librsvg from maemo extras Feb 29 11:57:31 herzi: should I get cvs or is 0.4 fine? Feb 29 11:57:36 subversion Feb 29 11:57:57 0.4 was the version that has been forked, there's no public release with the maemo-ui Feb 29 11:58:39 what is a command to delete drectory? Feb 29 11:58:51 rmdir? Feb 29 11:59:04 ok Feb 29 11:59:19 but the folder has to be empty for rmdir Feb 29 11:59:30 rm -r removes a folder recursively Feb 29 12:00:48 svn checkout https://phoneme.dev.java.net/svn/phoneme/components/tools/trunk Feb 29 12:01:07 -sh : svn: not found Feb 29 12:01:07 hm, is there some port of gnumeric for maemo btw? Feb 29 12:01:20 aquatix, I believe so Feb 29 12:01:20 apt-get install subversion ;) Feb 29 12:01:26 aquatix: I guess so, did you try to google it? Feb 29 12:01:27 johnx: /me googles Feb 29 12:01:37 herzi: normally i google first Feb 29 12:01:45 don't ask why i'm being lazy today :) Feb 29 12:01:53 aquatix : it's good k Feb 29 12:02:18 meh, only for OS2007 Feb 29 12:02:54 aquatix, maemo chinook gnumeric Feb 29 12:02:59 first result looks good... Feb 29 12:03:10 it works on OS2008 Feb 29 12:03:25 http://people.debian.org/~tschmidt/maemo/chinook/gnumeric/ you mean? Feb 29 12:03:32 hey BugBlue :) Feb 29 12:03:47 yeah and I've seen it mentioned on itt forums I believe Feb 29 12:04:03 I have no need for a spreadsheet on a handheld though, so I haven't tested it... Feb 29 12:04:06 heej aquatix Feb 29 12:14:36 XATRIX: you'd better do something useful for others! ;-) Feb 29 12:15:12 BTobotras: I proposed some useful tasks he he promised to look into them Feb 29 12:15:41 any ideas on what should i concentrate my efforts ? Feb 29 12:16:50 http://bugs.gnome.org/509498 << this one should be quite straight forward; you just need to look into monkey-bubble's source and the maemo reference to be able to accomplish this one Feb 29 12:17:29 is it difficult to find micro to mini sd adapters? Feb 29 12:18:01 bedboi: no Feb 29 12:18:24 http://www.google.nl/search?q=microsd+minisd+adapter&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a Feb 29 12:18:27 i got a micro sd for my neo1973 but i want to use it also in my n810 Feb 29 12:18:35 http://www.mobilefun.co.uk/product/10533.htm for example Feb 29 12:19:01 and i guess lots of other stores have them too Feb 29 12:19:45 http://www.semsons.com/mitomiadbpa.html is cheaper Feb 29 12:19:55 XATRIX: useful calendar Feb 29 12:20:13 BTobotras: that's a really hard one... Feb 29 12:20:14 BTobotras: or make Dates more useful :) Feb 29 12:20:32 but synchronising with other devices/servers would be nice Feb 29 12:20:42 ....heh...phrase on bash.org.ru, "....two days in coding, and you type faster than talk" :)) Feb 29 12:21:24 BTobotras> isn't it true that nokia in need of a calendar ? Feb 29 12:21:38 aquarius-: thanks Feb 29 12:21:53 well, there is http://www.pimlico-project.org/ Feb 29 12:21:58 s/aquarius-/aquatix Feb 29 12:22:05 bedboi: :) Feb 29 12:24:01 aquatix: dates is a good application btw it still misses some important features. Feb 29 12:24:57 myeah Feb 29 12:25:02 haven't used it much yet Feb 29 12:25:12 basically only imported fosdem's ical in it ;) Feb 29 12:28:29 XATRIX: definitely Feb 29 12:28:42 aquarius-: or this way, right :) Feb 29 12:28:49 bedboi: if you want the real cheap (but working!) version: dealextreme.com Feb 29 12:29:07 (all chinese crap you never wanted to have) Feb 29 12:29:16 ah yeah, dealextreme :) Feb 29 12:32:06 bedboi: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.7184 Feb 29 12:32:13 dealextreme is the best. Feb 29 12:32:16 it's fscking small :) Feb 29 12:32:23 and -cheap Feb 29 12:32:26 I ordered about 10lbs of adaptors from them a few months ago. Feb 29 12:32:28 the only problem is that i'm EU based atm Feb 29 12:32:33 well it is not a problem actually Feb 29 12:32:37 Only cost me about $30 Feb 29 12:32:39 dollar is crappy now Feb 29 12:32:39 free shipping Feb 29 12:32:44 Would've been $1000 at Radio Shack or similar. Feb 29 12:32:53 :D Feb 29 12:33:08 bedboi: so, that would be... 0.80 EUR i guess :) Feb 29 12:33:09 aquatix: i guess it is free if you get it in the states Feb 29 12:33:10 * aquatix orders :D Feb 29 12:33:14 Radio shack is an ungodly rip-off Feb 29 12:33:19 * BugBlue is EU based.. and as long as people want to have dollars I'm glad to pay them in.. but I won't take them Feb 29 12:33:21 bedboi: no, free shipping to EU Feb 29 12:33:29 NAH! Feb 29 12:33:31 BugBlue: right? Feb 29 12:33:43 i can't believe it Feb 29 12:33:52 All electronics stores are ripoffs. Feb 29 12:34:16 better order two :) Feb 29 12:34:24 RadiosHack is more of a rip-off than fry's in general Feb 29 12:34:26 i'll order tons of gadgets Feb 29 12:34:35 aquatix: jups Feb 29 12:34:46 bedboi: see? Feb 29 12:34:52 :) Feb 29 12:35:00 aquatix: are you sure it's free for EU? Feb 29 12:35:12 bedboi: BugBlue has been doing it for a while Feb 29 12:35:26 BugBlue: you are the man! Feb 29 12:35:37 * aquatix orders two Feb 29 12:35:40 i miss a lot doing shopping online Feb 29 12:35:52 which i really abused during my stay in US Feb 29 12:36:11 erm Feb 29 12:36:14 only paypal? Feb 29 12:36:26 only if you want registered airmail instead of some cheaper mail option you pay 1.30 Feb 29 12:36:41 * BugBlue does most of the shopping online Feb 29 12:37:02 seems to work very well.. ecspecially when I order in poland or so or latvia Feb 29 12:37:20 same day shipped = next morning at the doorstep Feb 29 12:37:30 as long as it is EU there is no problem... outside it takes more time Feb 29 12:37:49 customs tend to screw up things... Feb 29 12:38:10 man i'll place a huge order Feb 29 12:38:35 but I guess 1 tf card with customs value of about 1.50HK$ (about 1 eur) is no problem Feb 29 12:38:43 bedboi: first try one Feb 29 12:38:48 or 2... Feb 29 12:38:54 but don't order 20 the first time Feb 29 12:39:11 i'll place a 50$ or such order Feb 29 12:39:57 * aquatix orders 2 Feb 29 12:41:40 1 euro = $1,47452 lies! Feb 29 12:41:53 it's $1.52 Feb 29 12:41:56 oh well Feb 29 12:42:07 nice Feb 29 12:42:41 stupid paypal :) Feb 29 12:43:30 there Feb 29 12:43:36 2.09 EUR for 2 adapters Feb 29 12:46:03 everything is so much cheaper in teh us :( Feb 29 12:48:01 most us based stores seem not wanting to send stuff to europe Feb 29 12:48:28 yeah, they don't want money coming *in* through the borders, only going out...oh, wait Feb 29 13:00:35 michele_: BTW, I plan to set up a buildbot locally to build and upload a monkey-bubble.deb regularly from svn (but until then, I'm lazy) Feb 29 13:02:54 what's the difference between monkey-bubble and frozenbubble? Feb 29 13:03:03 apart from the animals used ;) Feb 29 13:03:52 frozen bubble is written in perl IIRC Feb 29 13:04:03 or at least v1 was Feb 29 13:04:24 theres a c or c++ version Feb 29 13:04:35 that was ported to symbian among others at least Feb 29 13:04:56 I have no idea what they're up to now... Feb 29 13:05:01 I haven't been keeping track Feb 29 13:05:50 is there a port for xchat ? Feb 29 13:06:55 aquatix: monkey-bubble uses GTK+, librsvg and GStreamer Feb 29 13:07:01 while frozen bubble uses SDL Feb 29 13:10:00 herzi: ah :) Feb 29 13:10:22 XATRIX: i saw something like that, yes; otherwise, there's pidgin Feb 29 13:10:30 or ssh ;) Feb 29 13:10:46 * aquatix uses ssh in xterminal to connect to his server running irssi in a screen session Feb 29 13:10:46 aquatix: so it's better aligned with the GNOME software stack Feb 29 13:10:47 XATRIX: http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ Feb 29 13:10:52 herzi: yeah, can imagine Feb 29 13:11:07 aquatix: I use dtach instead of screen these days Feb 29 13:11:18 aquatix> no..pidgin is a instant messaging service as for me Feb 29 13:11:26 much simpler and it does all I need, after all Feb 29 13:11:45 XATRIX: it has an irc plugin Feb 29 13:11:50 not optimal, but it works Feb 29 13:11:54 michele_: ah Feb 29 13:12:03 well, i use screen quite a bit Feb 29 13:12:11 it's not only running irssi Feb 29 13:12:12 michele_> arrrgh.... .deb .deb .deb :) Feb 29 13:12:19 XATRIX: duh ;) Feb 29 13:12:44 XATRIX: ITs use debs, you know Feb 29 13:14:01 I use 'internet chat' application for irc on n810 Feb 29 13:14:04 yeah...that's true Feb 29 13:14:09 rtcomm-beta required Feb 29 13:15:03 hrw: me too. but people seems to despise it for "missing features" that I haven't found yet Feb 29 13:15:22 Ugh Feb 29 13:15:32 Pidgin and rtcomm make for terrible IRC clients. Feb 29 13:15:35 does anyone have a clue where I'd have to report bugs in the "maps" application of the n810? Feb 29 13:15:46 Nowhere, herzi. Feb 29 13:15:49 They don't want them. Feb 29 13:16:15 * johnx will start using IRC on the N800 once he can download a hardware keyboard... Feb 29 13:16:31 GeneralAntilles: it depends what for you need it Feb 29 13:16:34 good luck with that Feb 29 13:16:47 GeneralAntilles: for normal irc use I prefer irssi on remote screen Feb 29 13:17:04 GeneralAntilles: to enter and chat for a moment 'internet chat' from os2008 is enough Feb 29 13:17:36 if anybody sees ad-n770, could someone be so kind as to tell him i'll be on later? Feb 29 13:17:42 Anything more than a moment is incredibly painful. Feb 29 13:18:01 I really don't see why Feb 29 13:18:29 but I have never been an hardcore IRC user Feb 29 13:18:49 It just doesn't support IRC's features very well at all. Feb 29 13:18:53 and doesn't scale well. Feb 29 13:19:32 which features? Feb 29 13:19:39 johnx: get an iGo bluetooth keyboard Feb 29 13:19:43 they're nice Feb 29 13:19:53 I might at that Feb 29 13:20:00 and they are available yet Feb 29 13:20:07 iGo stopped making them Feb 29 13:20:16 Will have to see how bad shipping will be Feb 29 13:20:17 stupid... Feb 29 13:20:18 All that features that make IRC usable for me. Feb 29 13:20:31 Partly scripting Feb 29 13:20:53 Partly the fact that it just isn't designed for big, multi-user chats. Feb 29 13:23:32 hrw: `internet chat' app is the built-in one? Feb 29 13:24:18 yes Feb 29 13:25:19 Pidgin sucks for IRC :P Feb 29 13:25:50 another thing I don't get is why people use pidgin on the IT :) Feb 29 13:26:18 michele_: protocol support? Feb 29 13:26:37 felipec: with the new rtcomm beta you have exactly the same protocols supported Feb 29 13:26:39 yeah Feb 29 13:27:04 where "new" means "two months ago" Feb 29 13:27:12 so, is rtcomm still beta? Feb 29 13:27:24 michele_: not quite, there are still some issues Feb 29 13:27:30 Jabber transports are more win than Pidgin Feb 29 13:27:34 even if it's included in the firmware Feb 29 13:27:54 Navi_: rtcomm uses libpurple, non transports Feb 29 13:28:19 don't call it rtcomm, it's telepathy-haze the one that allows that Feb 29 13:28:32 whatever Feb 29 13:28:32 s/Pidgin/libpurple/ Feb 29 13:28:34 Navi_ meant: Jabber transports are more win than libpurple Feb 29 13:28:38 which is part of rtcomm, yess, but you only need telepathy-haze Feb 29 13:29:15 shipping on the igo bt keyboard is still $25 - $45...I think I'll pass for now Feb 29 13:29:40 You can get a USB keyboard for like, eight bucks at your local hardware store :D Feb 29 13:29:47 exactly Feb 29 13:29:50 * aquatix installs rtcomm updater Feb 29 13:30:01 that's this weekend...I have a great hardware store(s) in mind, too Feb 29 13:30:18 and the usb female-female converter I need... Feb 29 13:30:25 And it comes with a great feature: It's a full sized keyboard. Too bad it doesn't fold up well Feb 29 13:30:26 johnx: yeah, i had to pay a lot of shipping too, and then import fees :( Feb 29 13:30:43 johnx: but it's worth its money Feb 29 13:30:49 full-sized laptop keyboard Feb 29 13:31:05 When I try to fold up keyboards, they always break. Feb 29 13:31:08 I'll see if I can find a decently smallish usb keyboard this weekend Feb 29 13:31:09 [well, except that it merged the numbers row into the topmost row] Feb 29 13:31:24 bluetooth has its advantages ;) Feb 29 13:31:48 you guys have a usb host cable? Feb 29 13:31:54 not yet Feb 29 13:31:58 this weekend as well :) Feb 29 13:32:20 johnx: where did you get that one? Feb 29 13:32:30 * aquatix looks at dealextreme Feb 29 13:32:36 guess they'll have one too Feb 29 13:32:39 I'll get a female-female converter locally if I can Feb 29 13:32:44 this weekend Feb 29 13:32:58 I bought my USB Host from Mara Feb 29 13:33:01 :3 Feb 29 13:58:42 Morning. Feb 29 14:00:33 hello allz.. i took the blue pill! but.. got a bit weiry :) My package manager now shows like 150 chars in the description under libs Feb 29 14:01:31 so, the library is libfaad2 - but i cannot download it for some reason, im using deb http://repository.maemo.org bora free - anyone else with that problem? or know how to find the .deb? Feb 29 14:01:53 are you on OS2007 or OS2008? Feb 29 14:03:01 os2007 Feb 29 14:03:22 hm, updating rtcomm takes a while Feb 29 14:04:01 you could search gronmayer.com/it to see what repositories have that lib in it Feb 29 14:04:31 ill try it from terminal once i get an ssh up on it Feb 29 14:04:33 it's being really slow tonight though :/ Feb 29 14:04:43 then see all the data on why it fails Feb 29 14:04:44 indeed Feb 29 14:05:05 that site seems slower every time I access it Feb 29 14:05:39 one word; donate :-D Feb 29 14:16:22 Who the heck runs it, anyway? Feb 29 14:16:38 Gron Mayer? Feb 29 14:17:58 Ha Feb 29 14:18:01 i just installed the emulator and everything seems to work fine...is there a meta package to install the core apps? actually i just wanted to install browser and terminal for now Feb 29 14:18:08 I've never placed that name with anybody outside of that website, though. Feb 29 14:18:43 zedstar, the UI to browser is closed source. If you really need it you might be able to repack it from the tablet itself Feb 29 14:19:02 or extract it from the image you download from Nokia to flash an N8x0 device Feb 29 14:19:19 whois says it belongs to a German graphic design company, Gronmayer-Grafik Feb 29 14:19:34 You should be able to find an open source terminal you can use Feb 29 14:20:19 ah thanks....so basically the emulator is pretty empty in terms of maemo apps to begin with Feb 29 14:20:43 yes Feb 29 14:20:58 lots of Nokia's Maemo apps are actually closed source Feb 29 14:21:00 im wondering, is it possible to install a graphical application from xterm? Feb 29 14:21:13 ah i never even considered that Feb 29 14:21:15 TuxProbe, of course. Feb 29 14:22:02 well at least scratchbox is handy and i can just run on device Feb 29 14:22:18 maemopad does not work.. i need a text editor for writing configuration files in gainroot mode Feb 29 14:22:21 TuxProbe: why not? you can use dpkg/apt as you can on any other debian box Feb 29 14:22:47 pygtkeditor and leafpad spring to mind. Even "Notes" should work Feb 29 14:22:56 erh i didnt explain myself right :) i meant *start app from term Feb 29 14:24:45 TuxProbe, it's definitely possible possible Feb 29 14:25:16 you'll have to export DISPLAY=:0 then try running something like osso_notes or osso_notes.launch Feb 29 14:25:48 ahh leafpad works :) Feb 29 14:26:12 bedboi: how do you like the neo1973? Feb 29 14:28:46 pupnik_: actually i'm not using it too much Feb 29 14:33:58 bedboi: i had hoped it would take off Feb 29 14:34:21 the major problem is the power management Feb 29 14:34:38 battery life is too short for daily usage Feb 29 14:34:41 ah, how long does it last? Feb 29 14:35:46 one useless check less Feb 29 14:36:00 2007.50 and 2007.51 firmwares are same Feb 29 14:36:29 at least the power on/off fix works... Feb 29 14:36:51 johnx: thats bootloader part ;) Feb 29 14:37:10 yeah...but at least they didn't fail to fix the problem for everyone :) Feb 29 14:45:40 hmmm. Anybody feels like an artist and would like to make a nice and shiny application icon ? Feb 29 14:49:50 melmoth: I'm no graphic artist, but what application? Feb 29 14:51:32 a voice navigation application for bike Feb 29 14:51:44 http://sayhoo.garage.maemo.org/ Feb 29 14:52:49 that's kind of ingenious :D Feb 29 14:53:03 Too bad I'm a little far away from Paris to visit... Feb 29 14:53:59 i have heard there are similar project in other town in europe. Feb 29 14:54:07 like one in spain somewhere. Feb 29 14:54:10 saw it in brussels too Feb 29 14:54:33 melmoth: Barcelona has a similar system Feb 29 14:55:04 bicing.com Feb 29 14:56:03 melmoth: does espeak work better than flite? Feb 29 14:57:03 the main interest with espeak is it can cope with non english language easily Feb 29 14:57:45 but you still ends up with a sixty tv sitcom robot voice ... Feb 29 14:58:02 feels like you are terminator when biking :) Feb 29 14:58:08 ahah Feb 29 14:58:52 "john conner, turn right if you want to get the bike back in time!" Feb 29 14:59:12 that's a feature not a bug :D Feb 29 14:59:26 the time constraint gives a game like feeling to the ride. Feb 29 15:21:56 GeneralAntilles: feel free to subscribe to https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2993 Feb 29 15:23:38 http://paste.debian.net/50177 Feb 29 15:23:52 guys what is wrong with the internal sd card of my n810 Feb 29 15:24:01 it's partitioned incorrectly Feb 29 15:24:10 eheh i never touched it Feb 29 15:24:15 giskard: the partition is larger than the device Feb 29 15:24:18 Nokia seems to have shipped a whole bunch with incorrect partitioning Feb 29 15:24:31 it worked in the past Feb 29 15:24:44 just like playing russian roulette Feb 29 15:24:51 how i can re-partition it? Feb 29 15:25:02 i have to run fdisk manually or? Feb 29 15:25:25 eg. Feb 29 15:25:37 you could also use gparted on a notebook with sd card slot Feb 29 15:26:00 is the internal one.. i don't think it i can remove it Feb 29 15:26:04 in an easy way Feb 29 15:26:18 oh, _that_ internal one Feb 29 15:26:22 the builtin one Feb 29 15:26:23 i don't think it can be removed* Feb 29 15:26:30 yes Feb 29 15:26:32 giskard, correct Feb 29 15:26:35 it's soldered on Feb 29 15:26:43 maybe through the usb-cable Feb 29 15:26:45 maybe reflashing helps (not sure) Feb 29 15:26:54 so i have to run cfdisk/fdisk on it Feb 29 15:26:54 herzi, nope Feb 29 15:26:56 let me try Feb 29 15:27:18 giskard, just fdisk it from a laptop while it's connected over usb Feb 29 15:27:29 s/laptop/other linux box/g Feb 29 15:27:29 johnx meant: giskard, just fdisk it from a other linux box while it's connected over usb Feb 29 15:27:48 actually, I think the tablets have sfdisk (or it's available) Feb 29 15:28:03 ok Feb 29 15:30:08 I think in the worst case you can flash the device to boot from an inserted sd card (I think that worked in the past) and then partition the beast properly Feb 29 15:30:31 ahah funny i've removed the partition, tryed to create it but there is not dos compatibility flag, i create it but i have to write it..type w Feb 29 15:30:49 but after that there is no compatibility flag set up Feb 29 15:31:34 ops my fault Feb 29 15:31:44 c is not create..but toggle..n is new partition Feb 29 15:31:45 bah Feb 29 15:31:50 ah, I was very confused for a moment :) Feb 29 15:33:10 so there's speculation about a 3G Eee PC launching on 4 march Feb 29 15:33:44 i find eee-talk offpissing Feb 29 15:34:30 I think it's quite overhyped, but people are figuring out Feb 29 15:34:42 michele_: interesting. I've seen a massive increase in the number of "mobile broadband" USB products being advertised in the UK in the last couple of weeks. Feb 29 15:34:54 Jaffa: http://www.umpcportal.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=1275 Feb 29 15:35:08 an eeePC is just the wrong size for me... Feb 29 15:35:26 it's not a real laptop and it doesn't fit in a pocket... Feb 29 15:35:33 not that it's a bad product. just that people who promote mobile x86 are not in my club Feb 29 15:35:41 I haven't yet seen a real one... Feb 29 15:35:44 * Jaffa finds his quite handy around the house for proper browsing/SSH compared with my N810 which is more mobile. Feb 29 15:36:20 I <3 pocket computers. Feb 29 15:36:24 Especially around the house. Feb 29 15:36:32 Just whip out the N800. Feb 29 15:37:22 microb's usually a bit too slow to meet my browsing habits (lots of open tabs loading in the background and then pleasant reading of them). Feb 29 15:37:23 and music control Feb 29 15:37:25 Mobile x86 are great Feb 29 15:37:33 s/are/is/ Feb 29 15:37:34 Navi_ meant: Mobile x86 is great Feb 29 15:37:49 You get less performance with more power use over an ARM! Feb 29 15:37:59 s/use/usage/ Feb 29 15:38:00 Navi_ meant: You get less performance with more power usage over an ARM! Feb 29 15:38:03 me I'd just want a Samsung Q1 and ubuntu mobile :) Feb 29 15:38:10 but you can run one or two crappy closed source x86 programs! Feb 29 15:38:10 how about a LEG? Feb 29 15:38:23 well, the Q1 is quite ugly hardware wise.. Feb 29 15:38:26 johnx, of course! Feb 29 15:40:05 ARM is awesome. Feb 29 15:40:40 In the long term though I kind of think that Intel will throw enough R&D $$$ at x86 to make it viable in the embedded/handheld/cellphone market Feb 29 15:41:09 They would of had a better chance sticking with xscale for the mobile market. Feb 29 15:41:33 god damn moneybags intel Feb 29 15:42:09 Navi_, oh they'll get x86 into the embedded market one way or another...they're intel Feb 29 15:42:35 I give it 5 years or so Feb 29 15:42:53 They _were_ in the embedded market, and they butted out. Feb 29 15:43:14 and now they're headed back, dragging x86 baggage behind them Feb 29 15:43:30 I think they just didn't want to have to deal with two architectures Feb 29 15:43:43 They still deal with two. Feb 29 15:43:48 hmm? Feb 29 15:43:56 ia64 processors Feb 29 15:44:00 heh Feb 29 15:44:10 Itaniums and crap Feb 29 15:44:27 ah, right...Are those still around? Feb 29 15:44:30 who buys those? Feb 29 15:44:50 Yes, they're still selling Itaniums. Feb 29 15:45:03 Businesses buy them. Why? Hell if I know. Feb 29 15:45:46 yeah, well dropping ARM is one less architecture to worry about Feb 29 15:46:16 They're getting into the mobile market the same way they're trying to get into the dedicated graphics market Feb 29 15:46:24 can we please keep arm until sparc is dead for 10 years? Feb 29 15:46:25 Really single-minded Feb 29 15:46:26 johnx: 5 years? that's way too much. I'd say 2, at most Feb 29 15:46:59 michele_, until we see x86 in phones? Feb 29 15:47:03 yes Feb 29 15:47:32 the cell phone market moves slowly...but that might change Feb 29 15:47:51 2 would be pretty optimistic I think Feb 29 15:47:55 Cell phone market moves slowly as far as hardware goes, at least. Feb 29 15:48:05 and software Feb 29 15:48:11 and that Feb 29 15:48:20 and features Feb 29 15:48:25 And service Feb 29 15:48:34 the style changes quickly enough Feb 29 15:48:37 ...kinda Feb 29 15:48:38 But as far as fashion goes... Feb 29 15:49:03 Anyways, class Feb 29 15:49:25 exactly, now if Intel can just convince people that a phone with roaring fans that that belches heat is like the coolest thing ever... Feb 29 15:50:25 well, the more fan you add, the coolest the cpu will be..indeed :) Feb 29 15:50:31 anyone have a packaged lighttpd ? i couldnt locate a .deb Feb 29 15:50:45 there's nginx Feb 29 15:51:43 johnx: I think they are not yet there just because they didn't want to Feb 29 15:52:04 now they probably already have prototypes Feb 29 15:52:20 getting an x86 chip into the power footprint of an ARM is no mean feat Feb 29 15:52:56 I think they'd be there yesterday if they could Feb 29 15:59:53 only an evil, sick, spawn of demon child could have designed the 8088 Feb 29 16:06:39 pupnik: :) Feb 29 16:18:36 Howdy folks. I have an N800 with OS2008 installed and I'm trying to install e2fsprogs, but apt-get doesn't find it. Was this changed recently? I did enable the extras repository and ran apt-get update. Feb 29 16:19:50 probably another repo or redpill mode Feb 29 16:20:23 it looks like it's in the non-extras maemo repository or debfarm Feb 29 16:20:40 godzirra, gronmayer.com/it has a nice repository search Feb 29 16:21:23 Thanks. Feb 29 16:21:52 redpill doesn't do anything for apt-get, KotCzarny. Feb 29 16:22:05 deb http://repository.maemo.org chinook free Feb 29 16:22:28 though, be careful pulling things from that repository Feb 29 16:22:48 I already have deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ chinook free non-free Feb 29 16:22:55 Doesn't that include free and non-free? Feb 29 16:23:02 godzirra: it's another repo Feb 29 16:23:13 just browse to: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/ Feb 29 16:23:17 and see for yourself Feb 29 16:23:18 :) Feb 29 16:24:56 Hrm. when I search repositories at gronmayer.com/it it just gives me the same list of repositories everytime I search for something. Feb 29 16:25:12 use google for it Feb 29 16:25:15 :> Feb 29 16:25:32 I wish gronmayer weren't all dynamic. Feb 29 16:25:36 Be nice to link stuff. . . . Feb 29 16:25:46 sooo, you typed in e2fs in the search, and it didn't give you a list of repos that had e2fsprogs? Feb 29 16:25:49 KotCzarny: I have. I get 3trillion links that all say "apt-get install e2fsprogs" Feb 29 16:26:00 anyways, good luck, off to bed Feb 29 16:26:03 'night all Feb 29 16:26:16 godzirra: add repo i have pasted Feb 29 16:26:24 it has e2fsprogs Feb 29 16:26:29 johnx: Oh. Apparently it did, however it listed repository.maemo.org chinook free/nonfree Feb 29 16:26:33 KotCzarny: I've already -got- that Feb 29 16:26:40 deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ chinook free non-free Feb 29 16:26:45 no Feb 29 16:26:46 Is in my hildon-application-manager.list Feb 29 16:26:48 it's another repo Feb 29 16:26:49 remove extras. Feb 29 16:26:52 different. Feb 29 16:26:52 Oh. Feb 29 16:26:53 duh. Feb 29 16:26:57 sorry. Feb 29 16:27:12 don't remove Feb 29 16:27:14 http://repository.maemo.org/ != http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ Feb 29 16:27:15 add another one Feb 29 16:27:17 ;) Feb 29 16:27:28 also be carefull to not add http://repository.maemo.org/ Feb 29 16:27:31 only: http://repository.maemo.org Feb 29 16:27:33 :) Feb 29 16:27:35 Er, right, don't delete Extras. I was just saying that it's not the same repo. :P Feb 29 16:28:09 anyway, anyone has idea why not-hildonized app disappears after minimizing? Feb 29 16:28:21 it's working in background but there's no way to bring it back Feb 29 16:28:34 Because it's not hildonized? Feb 29 16:28:35 awesome. Thakns :) Feb 29 16:28:49 KotCzarny: cos it's not told the window manager about itself. You can configure its .desktop file so that Matchbox looks for the window class rather than DBus registration Feb 29 16:28:58 hmm Feb 29 16:29:02 that could be it Feb 29 16:29:09 It is it :-) Feb 29 16:29:10 playing around with getting kde on my n800. I read something about e17, but I can't find any good data on it. Feb 29 16:29:20 i hacked the app into n800 rather dpkging Feb 29 16:31:05 Oh hell yeah. From the linux kernel wireless list: Feb 29 16:31:07 After a night of coding (literally!) I'm proud to present Feb 29 16:31:07 an early version of a p54common/mac80211 based driver for Feb 29 16:31:07 the N810 wireless chip. Feb 29 16:31:23 (by johannes berg, not me, should anyone be confused) Feb 29 16:32:09 dragorn: wow Feb 29 16:32:36 not currently usable, but having a gpl driver in mainline would make me very happy Feb 29 16:33:59 yeah Feb 29 16:34:01 hmm Feb 29 16:34:04 how to find window class? Feb 29 16:34:09 xprop is missing Feb 29 16:34:11 hum Feb 29 16:34:16 * aquatix is happy with the default nokia stack Feb 29 16:34:37 but oss support is a want-have too Feb 29 16:34:55 oss is deprecated, go alsa Feb 29 16:34:57 :) Feb 29 16:35:43 Hrm. now I get permission denied on initfs_flasher. Feb 29 16:39:54 there's a lot of oss stuff floating around Feb 29 16:40:07 alsa-oss-emulation Feb 29 16:40:08 and if anyone has time, please look into the esd-oss frontend Feb 29 16:40:09 KotCzarny: :P Feb 29 16:40:09 :) Feb 29 16:40:11 or alsa-oss Feb 29 16:40:23 i've tried to get both to work for three nights Feb 29 16:40:25 and no luck Feb 29 16:40:26 * aquatix meant OSS Feb 29 16:40:33 opensource software Feb 29 16:40:36 but someone else got the esd-oss working Feb 29 16:40:41 aquatix: but it works Feb 29 16:40:48 just install scratchbox and sdk Feb 29 16:40:49 :) Feb 29 16:41:00 most of the stuff compiles/works without any changes Feb 29 16:41:13 nice Feb 29 16:41:44 bah, if you've got big memory card you can install gcc and rest of the tools on the n800 itself Feb 29 16:41:45 ;) Feb 29 16:41:59 though you will need to reformat the card to ext2/3 Feb 29 16:43:31 [sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: ~/xprop-X11R7.2-1.0.2] > ls -l xprop Feb 29 16:43:31 -rwxrwxr-x 1 sbox sbox 28112 Feb 29 11:44 xprop Feb 29 16:43:32 [;) Feb 29 16:45:23 * aquatix rather programs some new stuff for maemo Feb 29 16:45:28 not sure what though Feb 29 16:45:37 new media player Feb 29 16:45:55 i hate all of those medialibraried :/ Feb 29 16:46:23 * KotCzarny hacked a ncurses frontend to mplayer Feb 29 16:46:25 ;) Feb 29 16:46:39 Heya - i get an error when trying to sign in from my skype-ui... it says err.14 (DB_ERROR), anyone knows what that means? there's no output from console Feb 29 16:46:46 why not 'just play all files in dir', is that hard? Feb 29 16:46:51 canola is shiny Feb 29 16:47:03 shiny but still medialibraried Feb 29 16:47:12 mpd with a nice gui would be cool Feb 29 16:47:13 i prefer usability than shinyness Feb 29 16:47:18 yeah Feb 29 16:47:19 medialibrarianism is good for the casual user Feb 29 16:47:28 * aquatix uses mpd at home Feb 29 16:47:33 mmpc + mpd Feb 29 16:47:43 i noticed a libmpd in the repository Feb 29 16:47:51 are there clients for maemo? Feb 29 16:48:02 mmpc Feb 29 16:48:03 mplayer still 'fails' to make a proper playlist handler Feb 29 16:48:03 * mgedmin recommends mmpc Feb 29 16:48:33 tuxprobe: that's why i made a frontend Feb 29 16:48:36 ups was DB_FAILURE from skype-ui Feb 29 16:48:39 playfilelist Feb 29 16:48:55 KotCzarny i did so too on my linuxbox :) Feb 29 16:48:56 ah check Feb 29 16:48:58 :) Feb 29 16:49:00 mmpc looks nice Feb 29 16:49:04 KotCzarny: music libraries are surely more usable than handling files and directories Feb 29 16:49:13 michele: i disagree Feb 29 16:49:13 and i even plays 6 multiple mplayer windows all at once ;) Feb 29 16:49:28 you will have to tag EVERYTHING correctly Feb 29 16:49:42 and i don't wanna go through 20000+ mp3s Feb 29 16:49:42 I do Feb 29 16:50:06 simple dir/filename is sufficient Feb 29 16:50:08 I hate having things not tagged Feb 29 16:50:18 michele: want to tag my files? Feb 29 16:50:18 ;) Feb 29 16:50:23 KotCzarny: get easytag, it can apply tags based on your directory structure Feb 29 16:50:29 automatically Feb 29 16:50:35 that would suck Feb 29 16:50:40 sometimes Feb 29 16:50:43 easytag rocks Feb 29 16:50:53 because it's still automatic Feb 29 16:50:55 * aquatix is slowly but surely tagging his collection correctly Feb 29 16:50:55 and can fail Feb 29 16:51:06 KotCzarny: that because your directory structure sucks then :) Feb 29 16:51:11 so i'll have a nice dir structure *and* good tags Feb 29 16:51:11 * KotCzarny won't bend to tag-slavery! Feb 29 16:51:25 :) Feb 29 16:51:35 KotCzarny: then automatically tag 19900 files correctly and then fix the last 100 Feb 29 16:52:04 tags are the correct solution, the rest are hacks Feb 29 16:52:06 still i find it easier to just navigate to dir and start playing Feb 29 16:52:23 also my frontend has 'play all files recursive from pwd' Feb 29 16:52:24 :) Feb 29 16:52:53 so i can just play everything in /techno/ with a one click Feb 29 16:52:57 * pupnik listens to the always entertaining Murray Rothbard Feb 29 16:52:59 agh Feb 29 16:53:01 techno Feb 29 16:53:03 I give up Feb 29 16:53:04 or /techno/minimal/ Feb 29 16:53:08 * aquatix plays some Psilodump Feb 29 16:53:15 or /classics/baroque/ Feb 29 16:53:17 :) Feb 29 16:53:42 or /weirdos/britney ;) Feb 29 16:53:48 nah Feb 29 16:53:54 i'm not so hardcore Feb 29 16:53:55 :) Feb 29 16:53:58 heheheh Feb 29 16:54:00 Tags really aren't an issue with CDDB Feb 29 16:54:12 yeah, easytag rocks Feb 29 16:54:15 or muscibrainz, rather Feb 29 16:55:10 still, it's more hassle than it's worth Feb 29 16:55:39 you are making up excuses :) Feb 29 16:55:46 i'm just lazy Feb 29 16:55:56 (and my laziness results in me writing code ;) Feb 29 16:56:15 just say "I am a nerd and I want to browse my file with a generic interface instead of one specific for music" Feb 29 16:57:04 i'm just an atypical user Feb 29 16:57:06 :) Feb 29 16:57:47 * aquatix wants a well-defined directory structure too Feb 29 16:57:55 but i'm also tagging my files correctly now Feb 29 16:58:00 it helps Feb 29 16:58:09 but how hard it would be to just play files in some dir? Feb 29 16:58:19 xmms will play a dir Feb 29 16:58:27 mpd too Feb 29 16:58:27 for example you connect someones usb-hdd Feb 29 16:58:46 Directory structure and tagging need not be mutually exclusive. Feb 29 16:58:52 yes Feb 29 16:59:03 but for now most of the playes are medialibraried Feb 29 16:59:15 without ability to play all files in dir Feb 29 16:59:16 :) Feb 29 16:59:26 (with a one click of course) Feb 29 16:59:26 :) Feb 29 17:00:34 Meh, navigating a directory structure is more trouble than it's worth. Feb 29 17:00:47 why? Feb 29 17:00:47 If I want all of the music in a genre, I type that genre into the search box and play away. Feb 29 17:00:53 myeah Feb 29 17:00:56 but i play albums Feb 29 17:01:02 or artists Feb 29 17:01:11 Type those in, too. Feb 29 17:01:13 so you type the name of the album or the artist and play Feb 29 17:01:18 it really depends on your usage Feb 29 17:01:19 general: my playes has a one click generation of playlists Feb 29 17:01:31 Personally, I just shuffle the whole library all the time. Feb 29 17:01:32 so you go to /music/genre1/ and click ';' Feb 29 17:01:40 michele_: yeah, but then you get things like `artist1' and `artist1 feat. artist2' etc Feb 29 17:01:42 and that's it Feb 29 17:01:44 as seperate things Feb 29 17:02:08 shuffling my library would be madness :) Feb 29 17:02:17 mine too Feb 29 17:02:18 :) Feb 29 17:02:28 from goa trance to symphonic rock to ambient stuff Feb 29 17:02:38 culture shock between two tracks ;) Feb 29 17:02:42 Genre changes are part of the spice. Feb 29 17:02:50 23000 songs here Feb 29 17:02:52 doesn't bother me. Feb 29 17:02:57 :) Feb 29 17:03:15 i've got about 25000 tracks i think Feb 29 17:03:17 i love random play Feb 29 17:03:26 but it's not my prefered way of listening ;) Feb 29 17:03:31 :) Feb 29 17:03:44 at least not in my complete library Feb 29 17:03:52 but you agree that playing recursive from specified dir would be a nice feature? Feb 29 17:03:55 :) Feb 29 17:04:02 i think players should have quick and easy rating system, and also a 'delete' hotbutton Feb 29 17:04:02 yeah Feb 29 17:04:11 as that's what i mostly do myself Feb 29 17:04:23 Hooray Quicksilver. Feb 29 17:04:28 Global playback control. Feb 29 17:04:30 Mostly from my mouse. Feb 29 17:04:35 pupnik: `delete' from list or physically? Feb 29 17:04:41 mouse? Feb 29 17:04:49 * aquatix does everything by keyboard ;) Feb 29 17:04:49 next/previous, play/pause, toggle shuffle. Feb 29 17:04:51 Yes, mouse. Feb 29 17:04:54 MX Revolution Feb 29 17:04:58 statusbar player would be nice too Feb 29 17:04:59 :> Feb 29 17:05:01 pupnik: itunes has the check box, to not play a song Feb 29 17:05:02 ~18 buttons with the shift. Feb 29 17:05:04 phys Feb 29 17:05:17 Hello. Feb 29 17:05:22 hey kikka Feb 29 17:05:41 How can I install Software on my n770, yeah, that's quite difficult. *g* Feb 29 17:05:57 http://www.gronmayer.com/it Feb 29 17:06:07 Fetch the repos you want that are for your ITOS version. Feb 29 17:06:29 And how can I add repos? Feb 29 17:06:33 KotCzarny: no, because my music is tracks, albums and artists, not directories and files Feb 29 17:06:47 dirs and files are computer things, not music Feb 29 17:06:56 not true Feb 29 17:07:05 and another Modest update :) Feb 29 17:07:08 very true Feb 29 17:07:08 folders are abstract grouping Feb 29 17:07:20 my CDs are not in folders Feb 29 17:07:27 michele_: soooo, what's the difference between a track and a file? Feb 29 17:07:28 kikka, it has click-to-installs for all of them. Feb 29 17:07:37 that's what mp3s are for Feb 29 17:07:38 :> Feb 29 17:07:52 Tracks are tagged. Feb 29 17:08:11 aquatix: all the difference in the world, a track is music, a file is data Feb 29 17:08:24 i can have /mood/genre/artist/album/files structure Feb 29 17:08:25 GeneralAntilles: I see, but where am I supposed to add the repos? Feb 29 17:08:31 tracks could be saved in cyberspace, for all I care Feb 29 17:08:38 There's a bunch of giant green buttons on there . . . . Feb 29 17:08:40 You tap them. Feb 29 17:08:41 KotCzarny: you are a control freak Feb 29 17:08:44 yeah, but i've been able to find my way in my collection just fine for years by using a dir tree Feb 29 17:08:46 says who? Feb 29 17:08:47 :) Feb 29 17:08:53 just Artist > Albums > Tracks Feb 29 17:09:05 what about unknown tracks? Feb 29 17:09:07 :> Feb 29 17:09:10 VA? Feb 29 17:09:22 and you will end up with mish-mash Feb 29 17:09:25 how is WebKit for chinook these days? ;) Feb 29 17:09:34 what i do is create a dir for a genre then Feb 29 17:09:35 Non-existant? Feb 29 17:10:15 KotCzarny, at the moment, I don't have any unknown tracks. Feb 29 17:10:28 what about typos? Feb 29 17:10:38 you fix them Feb 29 17:10:45 Probably a few Feb 29 17:10:47 what if you can't/don't want? Feb 29 17:10:56 But the typos would have to have come from CDDB. Feb 29 17:11:03 what if you just want to play some sound files Feb 29 17:11:06 like ringtones Feb 29 17:11:09 it's MY music, why couldn't I fix them? Feb 29 17:11:09 GeneralAntilles: enough typos in there ;) Feb 29 17:11:17 michele: external usb Feb 29 17:11:22 Setting up a directory structure is way more goddamn work than fixing a few hundred unknown/typoed tracks. Feb 29 17:11:26 and a hdd that's not yours Feb 29 17:11:27 :) Feb 29 17:11:35 I copy them Feb 29 17:11:44 all 500gb ? Feb 29 17:11:45 :) Feb 29 17:11:52 GeneralAntilles: but it's also nice to be able to locate -i tracks Feb 29 17:11:53 dudes, I think you are seeing more problems than there really are Feb 29 17:11:54 GeneralAntilles: oh, it exists.. ;) Feb 29 17:12:00 KotCzarny: no, only the tracks I care about Feb 29 17:12:09 and how do you find that? Feb 29 17:12:09 fysa, EAL? Feb 29 17:12:15 GeneralAntilles: creating a dirtree is easy btw Feb 29 17:12:15 I am not a pack rat, I only have music I actually listen to Feb 29 17:12:19 but i do both Feb 29 17:12:24 tree and tagging correctly Feb 29 17:12:28 when you want to browse someone else's files Feb 29 17:12:31 I don't copy music just to say "I have 60TB of mp3s!" Feb 29 17:12:32 michele_: me too Feb 29 17:12:37 GeneralAntilles: HUh, my n770 came back from the nokia garanty repair, and I'm not sure that it is running OS2006. How can I test it? Feb 29 17:12:39 i just happen to listen a lot ;) Feb 29 17:12:47 Look at the default theme. Feb 29 17:12:57 "The Maemo/Hildon mobile platform (used in Nokia internet tablets and Ubuntu Mobile) is now an official component of the GTK+ port." Feb 29 17:12:59 Is it all gray and some obnoxiously bright color? Feb 29 17:13:03 Lots of rounded edges? Feb 29 17:13:11 This means that these libraries can be used directly in WebKit instead of being maintained out of tree. Feb 29 17:13:37 GeneralAntilles: Yeah, grey. Feb 29 17:13:37 kikka: open terminal and type: cat /etc/issue Feb 29 17:13:38 :) Feb 29 17:13:45 2006, then. Feb 29 17:13:48 no EAL. Feb 29 17:13:50 KotCzarny: I've no Terminal. Feb 29 17:13:52 You might want to try flashing OS2008HE. Feb 29 17:14:05 ah. Feb 29 17:14:22 http://www.atoker.com/webkit-maemo/README Feb 29 17:14:39 control panel/about product then? Feb 29 17:14:43 GeneralAntilles: Yeah, maybe, but I don't risk to brick it. I just want to install Software onto it. :-/ Feb 29 17:14:56 You wont brick with a flash. Feb 29 17:15:04 It's 99% unpossible. Feb 29 17:15:18 1% Feb 29 17:15:28 GeneralAntilles: Hm, okay. Any howtos? Feb 29 17:15:28 1% + bad luck == brick Feb 29 17:16:01 1% + bad luck + lighting strike + tsuname = brick to keep the water outside ;) Feb 29 17:16:03 Meh, I've done dozens and dozens of flashes on a half-dozen devices over the past 2.5 years. Feb 29 17:16:11 sometimes you just have to dive Feb 29 17:16:11 Never once had a failure. Feb 29 17:16:27 general: you're experienced user Feb 29 17:16:32 :) Feb 29 17:16:39 What does that have to do with flashing failures? Feb 29 17:16:43 You run the flasher. Feb 29 17:16:47 There isn't anything to it. Feb 29 17:17:12 * KotCzarny still has to learn flashing Feb 29 17:17:32 ... Feb 29 17:17:37 fysa, when are we gonna get a deb here. Feb 29 17:17:43 that's the real question :) Feb 29 17:17:46 I don't have scratchbox. Feb 29 17:17:49 GeneralAntilles: OK. Feb 29 17:18:08 kikka, what's your use-case for the 770, anyway? Feb 29 17:18:19 GeneralAntilles: First I'll try to find the USB-cable. Do you have any howtos for flashing? Feb 29 17:18:26 You really have three options for the 770: OS2006, OS2007HE, and OS2008HE. Feb 29 17:18:32 They all have different strengths and weaknesses. Feb 29 17:18:50 What platform, kikka? Feb 29 17:19:33 GeneralAntilles: Skype, Browsing, RSS-Feeds, Mail, Calendar and Terminal. Feb 29 17:19:38 GeneralAntilles: Ubuntu, Linux. Feb 29 17:19:50 Skype . . . Feb 29 17:19:51 Hmm Feb 29 17:19:55 What's the word on Skype on the HEs? Feb 29 17:20:23 n800 are going cheap Feb 29 17:20:26 ~150$ Feb 29 17:20:27 :> Feb 29 17:20:46 Wow. Feb 29 17:21:01 * KotCzarny waits for n810 to follow ;) Feb 29 17:21:03 I've bought my n770 a little time ago for 170EUR. Feb 29 17:21:10 July at least, KotCzarny. Feb 29 17:21:33 i got mine for free, N800 - a 5 month 'trial' :D Feb 29 17:21:44 wii KotCzarny Feb 29 17:21:48 ops Feb 29 17:21:50 * KotCzarny got n800 + 8gb for 200$ Feb 29 17:21:55 :> Feb 29 17:22:16 kikka, http://maemo.org/maemowiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux Feb 29 17:22:17 about week ago Feb 29 17:22:57 GeneralAntilles: Okay, but first, does the 770 has a microphone? Feb 29 17:23:16 See the little hole next to the USB port that looks like you should stick something in it to reset? Feb 29 17:23:20 Don't stick anything in that. :P Feb 29 17:23:31 :> Feb 29 17:23:40 :) Feb 29 17:24:06 yeah.. Feb 29 17:24:19 the one on the n810 is at the bottom beneath the hold? Feb 29 17:24:35 Unlikely. Feb 29 17:24:59 n800 has mic in the middle on the top rim Feb 29 17:25:03 (i guess) Feb 29 17:25:08 It does. Feb 29 17:25:42 yes, the N810 has it on the bottom, next to the card slot Feb 29 17:25:46 yeah Feb 29 17:25:55 Is it really? Feb 29 17:25:58 Below the stand? Feb 29 17:25:58 yes Feb 29 17:26:02 That's just sad. Feb 29 17:26:13 :> Feb 29 17:26:14 the stand is cut there Feb 29 17:26:19 Aha Feb 29 17:26:23 yeah Feb 29 17:26:27 why would that be sad? Feb 29 17:26:32 GeneralAntilles: Okay, where can I find the OS2007HE images? Or should I take OS2008HE? Feb 29 17:26:38 Have the stand cover the microphone? Feb 29 17:26:43 there's a cut so it won't cover Feb 29 17:26:47 is it possible to install ubuntu mobile on n800 Feb 29 17:26:52 kikka I really don't have a clue how well Skype runs on any of them. Feb 29 17:26:52 kikka: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/Os2007On770/ Feb 29 17:26:53 :> Feb 29 17:27:33 Things that cannot be shipped to 770 users Feb 29 17:27:35 Skype Feb 29 17:27:36 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/os2008_hacker_edition.php Feb 29 17:27:36 ;) Feb 29 17:27:40 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/os2007_hacker_edition.php Feb 29 17:27:58 so it has to be hacked in anyway Feb 29 17:28:29 HE looks like 'high explosive' Feb 29 17:28:30 ;) Feb 29 17:28:40 * aquatix installs mpd Feb 29 17:29:13 I'm not really in love with mmpc as a front-end for on-device playback. Feb 29 17:29:18 Better to use as a controller. Feb 29 17:29:31 i wanted to try mpd on the n810 Feb 29 17:29:34 maybe it's nice Feb 29 17:29:46 Meh, just install mmpc and connect to a server. Feb 29 17:29:59 GeneralAntilles: like that works in my car ;) Feb 29 17:29:59 hi Feb 29 17:30:07 or in the train Feb 29 17:30:25 well, it works, but it won't give *me* music Feb 29 17:30:26 hmm Feb 29 17:30:33 Well, for testing purposes. . . . Feb 29 17:30:36 has anyone noticed, #ma emo Feb 29 17:30:37 ;) Feb 29 17:32:38 meh, no `update mpd db' in mmpc? Feb 29 17:32:48 ooh, dinner is ready Feb 29 17:32:51 bbl :) Feb 29 17:34:52 mmpc is a bit rough Feb 29 17:34:55 it's version 0.1 yet Feb 29 17:35:04 (also eats battery like crazy) Feb 29 17:35:40 Okay, I don't want to install any HE as long as my 2006 rans fine. But, I really need to know, how I can install programs. Feb 29 17:36:27 You go select the repositories you want to add on gronmayer. Feb 29 17:36:36 Then the rest is done through Application Manager. Feb 29 17:37:49 latest OS2006 supports .install files fine Feb 29 17:37:57 so you can use the Downloads section of maemo.org Feb 29 17:38:03 Bleh Feb 29 17:38:09 Downloads section is slow and gross. Feb 29 17:38:13 Adds unnecessary steps. Feb 29 17:38:36 kikka, install terminal Feb 29 17:38:39 then just use apt-get Feb 29 17:38:41 :) Feb 29 17:38:58 or sshd instead of terminal Feb 29 17:40:52 THe Application manager don't like .install-files, it don't show them. Feb 29 17:41:51 eh? it's not supposed to show them Feb 29 17:42:12 when you click on a .install file in the web browser, it's supposed to open it in the app manager Feb 29 17:42:24 and the app manager is supposed to show you a dialog asking whether you want to add this repo and install this package Feb 29 17:43:14 No, it downloads them, the app manager... doesn't exist, there's only a app installer... Feb 29 17:44:42 ... Feb 29 17:45:34 Any ideas? Feb 29 17:47:29 oh, crap. I just blew up the charging circuitry in 770 Feb 29 17:47:46 * Juhaz wonders if there are any of those stand-alone desktop chargers for BP-5L Feb 29 17:47:53 how? Feb 29 17:48:05 overvoltage Feb 29 17:48:31 too long charging? Feb 29 17:48:41 ouch Feb 29 17:48:41 Aaaaaaaah. It runs 2005... *crap* Feb 29 17:49:03 I've been occasionally loading it with one of those general-purpose adjustable PSU's, forgot the switch at 12V position. Feb 29 17:49:10 oh Feb 29 17:49:12 :> Feb 29 17:49:15 pity Feb 29 17:49:51 Must I flash it to update it? Feb 29 17:50:11 kikka: for another os, yes Feb 29 17:50:56 kortsi: ... Okay. Where can I get the flasher? Feb 29 17:51:21 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/os2008_hacker_edition.php Feb 29 17:51:28 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/os2007_hacker_edition.php Feb 29 17:51:45 <|tbb|> anyone knows how to use ftp over tls with gftp on ubuntu? Feb 29 17:51:58 I've heard that 2008HE sucks as far as stability goes Feb 29 17:52:09 I'll install 2007HE. Feb 29 17:54:19 oooooh - as a FYI, nokia mailed me back re: replacement stylus for 810: Feb 29 17:54:19 In regard to your email, I would suggest that you contact your nearest Nokia Care Pont or the Nokia store to check the availability of the styluses for your Nokia N810 Internet Tablet. They will be able to assist you further. Feb 29 17:54:43 hmm Feb 29 17:54:54 hands up how many people think nokia store will direct me back to the website? Feb 29 17:54:55 n800 ships with 2 styluses Feb 29 17:54:56 :> Feb 29 17:55:16 so did n810 Feb 29 17:55:19 yes, but when you lose your first one and know a generic doesn't fit you start to get worried Feb 29 17:55:45 a little manual skills.. Feb 29 17:55:48 and it will fit Feb 29 17:55:49 ;) Feb 29 17:56:03 i dont wanna even touch the spare one - i would rather leave it for a second user if i ever end up selling it :) Feb 29 17:56:47 so for now, the original sits in its house and my nokia sits in its cradle and a pen lid is my stylus :) Feb 29 17:58:38 :) Feb 29 17:59:11 get a screen protector and a bunch of generic styluses? Feb 29 17:59:12 :> Feb 29 17:59:17 :D Feb 29 18:00:16 alternative: sharpen your nails so you won't need a stylus ;) Feb 29 18:00:22 :> Feb 29 18:00:37 fingers are too big though Feb 29 18:00:40 nails suck as a stylus Feb 29 18:00:42 will obscure the screen Feb 29 18:00:46 though I use them often Feb 29 18:00:55 there are guitar tools Feb 29 18:00:57 yeah, you don't ever know exactly where you're "clicking" Feb 29 18:01:04 that you wear on your fingers Feb 29 18:01:23 pointed and convenient Feb 29 18:01:25 sometimes Feb 29 18:01:57 last time I flew, there was a stewardess with a sweet ring that was a bottle opener deal Feb 29 18:02:11 she used it to open pop cans and stuff Feb 29 18:02:17 ... Okay, I will flash it with 2006. Feb 29 18:03:55 can you get clear styluses? Feb 29 18:04:36 probably any plastic thing will do Feb 29 18:05:53 yer, but i mean a standard stylus, not just using the barrel of a pen Feb 29 18:06:09 wow, setting WM_CLASS was enough to show the app in task list Feb 29 18:06:10 :> Feb 29 18:06:21 lcuk_2: why not? Feb 29 18:06:22 :) Feb 29 18:09:29 http://www.colino.net/wordpress-1.5/archives/2008/01/17/sdl-applications-and-maemos-task-navigator/ Feb 29 18:09:50 * lcuk_2 came across this recently Feb 29 18:10:57 wow Feb 29 18:11:02 * KotCzarny did it hard way Feb 29 18:11:09 :) Feb 29 18:14:12 doesn't matter i guess Feb 29 18:14:16 erm. wrong chan Feb 29 18:14:17 :> Feb 29 18:17:58 nah Feb 29 18:18:04 that would work only for sdl apps Feb 29 18:18:18 for X11 i have to XSetClassHint(dpy, win, my_XAllocClassHint); Feb 29 18:18:19 :> Feb 29 18:18:23 Hm, there are cool apps for maemo. even for 06. Feb 29 18:18:29 kikka: yes Feb 29 18:18:34 oss roolez Feb 29 18:18:34 :> Feb 29 18:29:35 saludos desde colombia Feb 29 18:54:35 hola b0r0las Feb 29 18:55:13 lopz, hola, que bueno ver gente ke habla español por aqui... ya me siento menos solo Feb 29 18:55:53 haha, lo mismo digo, y que cacharro tienes b0r0las ? Feb 29 18:56:13 me llega la otra semana un n800... Feb 29 18:56:31 ahh pues yo me habría comprado la n810 jeje Feb 29 18:57:13 lopz, cual tienes tu? Feb 29 18:59:16 b0r0las, n800 Feb 29 18:59:50 y lo tienes arrancando desde memoria sd o desde la propia del aparato? Feb 29 19:37:23 b0r0las, desde la flash interna Feb 29 19:41:27 anyone know i could expect the internal flash in my n800 to last? Feb 29 19:41:37 *how long Feb 29 19:41:49 long Feb 29 19:42:53 about 10 years Feb 29 19:43:05 as long as my piece of string? ;) Feb 29 20:29:48 lopz, porke por la red e visto tutoriales para ponerlo a arrancar desde una memoria sd Feb 29 20:30:29 what about maemo-es? Feb 29 20:30:50 podría funcionar, no? Feb 29 20:35:12 felipec, yeah, you created channel Feb 29 20:35:25 b0r0las, pues hay muchos, pero no lo sé, no he probado Feb 29 20:35:51 lopz: did I? Feb 29 20:36:05 try the new duke nukem shareware version... runs very fast on Nokia 770 Feb 29 20:38:46 Controls aren't quite as polished as Quake. Feb 29 20:39:25 luls Feb 29 20:39:36 Maemo Mapper just crashes when I try to use my old DB Feb 29 20:40:23 It's corrupt. :P Feb 29 20:41:08 I figured as much Feb 29 20:41:11 but it's still funny Feb 29 20:43:28 maemo mapper roolez! Feb 29 20:43:40 No, U RULEZ Feb 29 20:43:52 Hooray for the letter u! Feb 29 20:44:06 but checking all zoom levels would download few TB Feb 29 20:44:09 :> Feb 29 20:44:21 and POI isn't working as expected Feb 29 20:44:44 and it should populate some positions depending on current x/y Feb 29 20:46:10 "never give in" Feb 29 20:46:11 "be obsessed" - 808 State Feb 29 21:03:02 I want my OTG dongles. :< Feb 29 21:05:46 sik Feb 29 21:05:48 am Feb 29 21:05:50 g�t Feb 29 21:05:55 yarraaaaaakkkk Feb 29 21:07:40 from a reply in meamo bugzilla : Feb 29 21:08:00 dmesg output with 16Gb A-data sdhc card in N800 external slot OS2007 Feb 29 21:08:00 Larger than 8GB cards are not supported, so it's to be expected that Feb 29 21:08:00 the the card doesn't get recognized. Feb 29 21:08:07 >.< Feb 29 21:08:11 o.o Feb 29 21:08:23 but os2008 handles them? Feb 29 21:08:37 Try breaking the card into two partitions Feb 29 21:08:47 yes it handles them Feb 29 21:08:55 well, then upgrade :> Feb 29 21:08:55 Works for some Feb 29 21:09:04 I think that statement is of the managerial kind Feb 29 21:09:08 Link, Tama^2? Feb 29 21:09:20 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2637 Feb 29 21:09:25 is there any advantages of having os2007 over os2008? Feb 29 21:09:29 *are Feb 29 21:09:59 Not really, KotCzarny. Feb 29 21:10:04 They're all incredibly subjective. Feb 29 21:10:16 I want to kill all the idiots that don't know how to use the bug submission template. Feb 29 21:10:28 If the heading isn't relevant FREAKING DELETE IT! Feb 29 21:10:50 The reproducibility suggestions are SUGGESTIONS! DELETE IT AFTER YOU CHOOSE ONE! Feb 29 21:10:52 Gawd Feb 29 21:11:36 Lol Feb 29 21:12:33 Supposedly they were gonna deploy a much better for for people without edit/confirmbugs. Feb 29 21:12:38 Still hasn't happened Feb 29 21:12:50 and I still have to look at really badly submitted bug reports. Feb 29 21:13:03 \o/ Feb 29 21:13:47 Navi: splitting card to partitions is useless suggestion Feb 29 21:14:13 16GB cards work fine, anyway. Feb 29 21:14:16 seyz u Feb 29 21:15:04 except they are power hungry Feb 29 21:15:14 :P Feb 29 21:15:19 GeneralAntilles: with 2.6.21 or 2.6.16/18 kernel? Feb 29 21:15:42 Should be fine with all the SDHC kernels. Feb 29 21:15:48 I haven't done any testing, though. Feb 29 21:17:03 jffs2_sum_write_sumnode: Not enough space for summary Feb 29 21:17:04 hmm Feb 29 21:17:06 is it bad? Feb 29 21:18:01 off-topic: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/01/17/funny-pictures-kitteh-deactivated/ Feb 29 21:18:07 :> Feb 29 21:22:45 hmm Feb 29 21:23:04 question: can n800 export both cards via usb? Feb 29 21:23:12 ie. as separate luns ? Feb 29 21:23:14 yes Feb 29 21:23:20 how? Feb 29 21:25:00 it just does it Feb 29 21:25:01 Plug it in. Feb 29 21:25:07 i did Feb 29 21:25:13 yes, ehat GA says ;) Feb 29 21:25:13 only one device showed up Feb 29 21:25:24 Then the other is in use. Feb 29 21:25:26 the other was in use, most likely Feb 29 21:25:30 hmm Feb 29 21:25:40 mount doesn't show anything Feb 29 21:25:50 (on n800) Feb 29 21:25:53 Swap can occasionally be mildly problematic for that. Feb 29 21:26:02 swap is turned off Feb 29 21:26:17 Personally, I just have a couple of AppleScript droplets on my desktop to send files over scp. Feb 29 21:26:28 yes, i use sshfs for that Feb 29 21:26:33 but i was curious just in case Feb 29 21:26:40 turn it off? Feb 29 21:26:53 (I mean the device) Feb 29 21:27:15 let's see Feb 29 21:27:39 btw. one improvement would be noatime for / and mmc cards Feb 29 21:27:45 also quiet for vfat Feb 29 21:28:29 (i added it by hand, but would be great for flash life?) Feb 29 21:29:09 Flash cards these days handle their own life management pretty well. Feb 29 21:29:09 I thought the cards were already mounted noatime Feb 29 21:29:17 nope Feb 29 21:29:30 at least not on mine freshly flashed os2008 Feb 29 21:29:48 I will check that when I go back to OS2008 Feb 29 21:29:51 if I go back Feb 29 21:29:52 ... Feb 29 21:29:59 you have 2009? Feb 29 21:30:00 o.O Feb 29 21:30:03 lol Feb 29 21:30:09 no flashed 2007 Feb 29 21:30:12 which is fugly Feb 29 21:30:18 Hehe Feb 29 21:30:21 :) Feb 29 21:30:24 why? Feb 29 21:30:30 Nokia finally managed to put together a halfway decent themeset with OS2008. Feb 29 21:30:33 but my sd cards do not drain the battery as faast as with os2008 Feb 29 21:30:39 i mean, why you have reflashed 2k7 Feb 29 21:31:09 Tama^2, are you sure you're not just leaving your porn downloading script running? :P Feb 29 21:31:11 plankton theme is nice Feb 29 21:31:20 because I cannot use my tables as a music player if my battery discharges in 24 hours when idle Feb 29 21:31:28 lolz GA Feb 29 21:31:45 also, hibernate would be great Feb 29 21:31:47 :> Feb 29 21:31:56 but i guess it's a lot more coding Feb 29 21:31:57 Meh, not really. Feb 29 21:32:17 Aside from the fact that the watchdogs would need major reworking Feb 29 21:32:19 it would go to sleep/wake up faster Feb 29 21:32:35 an idling tablet really doesn't use that much more power than a slept tablet. Feb 29 21:32:49 It sleeps/wakes instantly now, KotCzarny. Feb 29 21:32:57 The wonders of ARM. Feb 29 21:33:00 i mean power-off sleep Feb 29 21:33:17 it can already do that Feb 29 21:33:25 and does, if you power it off while it's plugged into the wall Feb 29 21:33:33 hum Feb 29 21:33:34 or does something very similar, anyway Feb 29 21:33:44 when i turn it off it goes all the way through shutdown Feb 29 21:33:46 The watchdog will step in and reset it if you sleep it. Feb 29 21:34:51 Someone did a script to get suspend working. Feb 29 21:35:01 It woke up every 60 seconds and frobbed the watchdogs. Feb 29 21:35:20 :) Feb 29 21:35:27 hehe Feb 29 21:36:39 so what does it do when it's plugged into power, and you hold the power button? Feb 29 21:36:44 it's not the same as a regular power off Feb 29 21:36:50 but it sort of boots when you power it on Feb 29 21:37:06 (the boot sequence is much more rapid, but it still splashes up the nokia logo, etc.) Feb 29 21:37:23 * KotCzarny replaced nokia-hands logo Feb 29 21:37:30 and i will replace initrd one too Feb 29 21:37:38 when i learn flashing :> Feb 29 21:37:40 I guess some people care about that Feb 29 21:37:51 i didn't liked that hands Feb 29 21:38:00 http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/err.zip Feb 29 21:38:01 i put a cat there Feb 29 21:38:01 :> Feb 29 21:38:03 :D Feb 29 21:38:48 It's too bad it takes so long to draw the second image. Feb 29 21:39:13 yes Feb 29 21:39:16 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=149610&postcount=48 GeneralAntilles what do you think? Feb 29 21:39:23 nice logo Feb 29 21:39:44 but giving nokia a finger because they made sdk free? Feb 29 21:39:46 ;) Feb 29 21:39:57 another thing Feb 29 21:40:23 OS2008 disables (?) touchscreen pressure detection Feb 29 21:40:26 Interesting, but I think my thumb is too sticky to use it track-pad like on the screen. Feb 29 21:40:38 Don't think so, Tama^2, I think it's just really broken. Feb 29 21:40:39 hi all :) i'm here again :) Feb 29 21:40:46 my N800 does not detect touchscreen pressure when in OS2008 Feb 29 21:40:54 :( Feb 29 21:40:59 pupnik, I'd say, clone Quake. Quake is PERFECT on the N800. Feb 29 21:41:22 hum Feb 29 21:41:31 gimp-n800! Feb 29 21:41:32 ;) Feb 29 21:41:36 i disagree, i don't like playing with a stylus Feb 29 21:41:41 Really? Feb 29 21:41:44 though it's pretty darn good Feb 29 21:41:59 i'd just rather have some smart thumb movement in a small region on the right side Feb 29 21:42:07 Stylus works really well. I don't think I could slide a thumb or finger around as easily. Feb 29 21:42:23 yeah pipeline did a great job fixing the stylus responsiveness Feb 29 21:42:24 hi Feb 29 21:43:03 camera for remote-controll Feb 29 21:43:06 as in ps3! Feb 29 21:43:07 ;) Feb 29 21:43:37 I've some problem with my N810 repositories... I've all enables in Application Manager, but if (from terminal) I try to install (for example) python2.5-gpsbt it says that package cannot be verified and even if I press "y" it aborts... how can I check what happened? Feb 29 21:45:06 http://www.techamok.com/?pid=4140 Feb 29 21:45:13 here's the link for camera tracking Feb 29 21:45:14 :> Feb 29 22:02:08 anyone try a P1610 or P1620? Feb 29 22:02:11 Lifebook? Feb 29 22:04:02 <3 Feb 29 22:07:20 hmmm Feb 29 22:07:25 oups Feb 29 22:07:54 3 Feb 29 22:17:06 new game build/port by solmumaha : "airstrike" http://pupnik.de/airstrike_maemo.jpg http://pupnik.de/airstrike_1.0_pre6.deb Feb 29 22:17:40 Narf, software update won't work. Feb 29 22:18:31 is there any way to update it without flashing it? (n770, os05->os06) Feb 29 22:18:53 nope Feb 29 22:19:15 at least not without breaking things Feb 29 22:19:17 :> Feb 29 22:19:43 Connect it to your computer via USB without turning it on <- What does this mean? Should the display be black, or what? Feb 29 22:26:29 it should be turned off Feb 29 22:26:48 so from the desktop, press the poer button and select 'switch off' Feb 29 22:27:45 Yeah, that doesn't work Feb 29 22:30:13 Tommorow again, I hate this crap at the moment. Feb 29 22:31:04 Do you have it plugged into the charger? :\ Feb 29 22:31:12 Flashing is about as simple as it gets. . . . Feb 29 22:33:28 yes, you need to leave it *unplugged* form the charger Feb 29 22:33:31 turn it off Feb 29 22:33:36 plug in USB Feb 29 22:33:56 start the flasher (if you are doing it on the command line) Feb 29 22:34:25 then press and keep pressed the 'home' button and press the power button to turn it on Feb 29 22:34:49 release the home button only when you see the usb logo in the corner of the screen Feb 29 22:35:03 the flasher will have recognized the device by then Feb 29 22:36:45 GeneralAntilles: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1629#c12 Feb 29 22:36:46 :P Feb 29 22:37:29 Pressure works fine for me with maemopad+ in OS2008. Feb 29 22:37:56 good, then it may mean there is something different with *some* tablets Feb 29 22:38:02 and they should know Feb 29 22:38:06 http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/emo.png Feb 29 22:38:21 I remember that picture Feb 29 22:38:32 mine is all black Feb 29 22:38:36 everywhere Feb 29 22:38:45 even if I touch it lightly Feb 29 22:38:52 in OS2008 that is Feb 29 22:38:56 Weird Feb 29 22:39:11 in OS2007 pressure makes a difference Feb 29 22:41:26 btw. in app manager it would be nice to have resizeable columns.. Feb 29 22:41:46 right now if there's an package with very long version string Feb 29 22:41:52 Raise an enhancement request. Feb 29 22:41:53 it just takes over whole screen Feb 29 22:41:57 to who? Feb 29 22:42:01 haya, as a newb at maemo developing - is there like a meta pkg i could install for the full gcc toolchain? Feb 29 22:42:17 bugs.maemo.org Feb 29 22:42:29 tuxprobe: nope, install them one by one Feb 29 22:42:57 k thx anyways =) Feb 29 22:43:09 but use scratchbox Feb 29 22:43:11 is the scratchbox one? Feb 29 22:43:25 oh, you mean you want to develop on pc? Feb 29 22:43:26 :) Feb 29 22:43:43 then yes, there are scripts that will install sb and sdk automatically Feb 29 22:44:30 huh Feb 29 22:44:35 yea, man - would be tiredsome if one had to input all code through a virtual touch keyboard :p Feb 29 22:44:36 i have to login to buzilla Feb 29 22:44:52 tuxprobe: n810 has keyboard Feb 29 22:44:53 :> Feb 29 22:45:04 Why does everybody like to bitch about having to register at bugzilla? <_< Feb 29 22:45:15 but still hehe Feb 29 22:45:30 general: because people are lazy? Feb 29 22:45:31 people bitch about registering in general Feb 29 22:45:38 register, there, register here Feb 29 22:45:51 I understand why I need registering on bugzilla Feb 29 22:46:02 'and all i wanted to do is write one sentence!' Feb 29 22:46:03 :) Feb 29 22:46:07 but in general I hate to register like everyone alse Feb 29 22:46:12 filing bugs without the folloup email address is worthless, in a typical case Feb 29 22:46:12 Takes more energy to complain about it than to just do it. Feb 29 22:46:17 lol Feb 29 22:46:31 the problem is taht people do not want long term reltionships! Feb 29 22:46:34 general, sure, 'your login is taken, choose another one' Feb 29 22:46:35 :) Feb 29 22:46:39 just write your one liner and be done with it Feb 29 22:46:44 like one night stands :P Feb 29 22:46:46 and.. 'choose another one' Feb 29 22:47:04 We don't want your bugs if you're not willing to put a little effort into filing them. :P Feb 29 22:47:05 there should be an ircbot Feb 29 22:47:06 ;) Feb 29 22:47:13 to collect bugs :) Feb 29 22:47:23 are you crazy? Feb 29 22:47:24 Forms are a little complicated for that. Feb 29 22:47:24 they're not mine :P Feb 29 22:47:38 half of bugzilla would be filled with links to goatse Feb 29 22:47:43 i would be only reporting them Feb 29 22:47:49 tama: inteligent bot Feb 29 22:47:50 Who cares about taht Feb 29 22:47:50 :) Feb 29 22:47:54 intelligent Feb 29 22:48:00 Half of it would be filled with crappy one-liner "bugs". Feb 29 22:48:17 "doesn't turn on" Feb 29 22:48:26 [x] delete Feb 29 22:48:27 We already get enough of those NOW. Feb 29 22:48:30 "wtf is with this product?" Feb 29 22:48:32 [next] Feb 29 22:48:46 that would be easy Feb 29 22:48:46 :) Feb 29 22:49:05 The people with deletion permissions have enough to. Feb 29 22:49:24 not when the rate at which they are submitted is higher than a person can deal with them Feb 29 22:50:23 and what rate would that be? Feb 29 22:50:23 It never ceases to amaze the kinds mouth-diarrhea that people submit. Feb 29 22:50:24 :) Feb 29 22:51:42 btw. what are 'marketing release' packages for? Feb 29 22:52:09 those are half resolution 2x speed pre-rendered versions Feb 29 22:52:24 for promotional and marketting purposes Feb 29 22:52:28 can i remove them? Feb 29 22:52:48 god knows i was half joking, i dont even know where your lookin Feb 29 22:52:55 Ha Feb 29 22:52:59 dpkg -l Feb 29 22:53:11 osso-imageviewer-l10n-mr0, osso-imageviewer marketing release package Feb 29 22:53:13 etc. Feb 29 23:01:13 Heya - I am working on upgrading to OS2008 with my N800 via my linux desktop Feb 29 23:01:48 I am on http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N800.php --- do you think 2007.51-3 is the latest version of the OS ? Feb 29 23:01:54 yes Feb 29 23:02:01 thanks very much Feb 29 23:03:10 hmm Feb 29 23:03:21 lools like those mr0 pachages contain of some docs Feb 29 23:03:35 which were purged by docpurge anyway Feb 29 23:06:13 do you think I am going about this task in the right way? Feb 29 23:06:41 I am going to use the Flasher 3.0 program Feb 29 23:09:18 clearly nothing's gone horribly wrong yet :) Feb 29 23:12:27 desertc, yes - as long as you follow the instructions (you are already most of the way through) it should work. i should say however i hope you took a backup first Feb 29 23:12:45 (unless of course its a new machine and you haven't got anything of yours stored on it Feb 29 23:13:14 okay, thanks for the advice Feb 29 23:14:00 no prob :) you have already done the hard part and found what you need to do yourself Feb 29 23:16:26 hi all. Anyone played with dbus and the bluez api ? I have been getting somewhere with scanning devices but I can not connect to a remote service. I am wondering if it is supported properly on the nokia n810? Feb 29 23:17:37 KotCzarny: the l10n part is the interesting one Feb 29 23:17:57 i'm looking to remove them Feb 29 23:18:03 i guess Feb 29 23:18:25 infobot: l10n? Feb 29 23:18:25 l10n is probably an abbreviation for localisation, which is a long word used a lot in some circles, so it's shortened by effectively saying "L, then 10 more letters, then N", get it? Feb 29 23:20:19 apt-cache show will tell you what the mr0s are for Feb 29 23:20:30 KotCzarny, are referring to the maemo-users dicussion? Feb 29 23:21:03 Description: osso-imageviewer marketing release package Feb 29 23:21:03 This is a metapackage for osso-imageviewer to pull all the l10n packages. Feb 29 23:21:05 namely, metapackages (essentially empty) that depend on all languages Feb 29 23:21:13 hum Feb 29 23:21:30 off with them! Feb 29 23:21:56 I suppose it's theoretically possible nothing will blow up if you remove l10n packages for unused languages Feb 29 23:22:02 if you're building some osso app, just remove the dependency Feb 29 23:23:26 when instructions say to reboot holding the home button -- is that the button that looks like the side of a house? Feb 29 23:23:36 with squares living inside? Feb 29 23:23:50 probably Feb 29 23:23:54 Take a wild stab in the dark. :P Feb 29 23:24:07 unless you come from the arctic Feb 29 23:25:45 desertc: the instructions are probably being redundant, I've never had to touch a home button when flashing Feb 29 23:26:05 sp3000: you just leave it running? Feb 29 23:26:25 The flasher can sometimes miss the device powering on and let the device boot normally. Feb 29 23:26:36 Powering up with the home key just makes the device wait for the flasher. Feb 29 23:26:44 Makes timing mildly easier. Feb 29 23:26:50 desertc: no, it does need to be shut down to start in flashing mode Feb 29 23:27:13 thanks again Feb 29 23:27:29 GeneralAntilles: hmm, maybe you've flashed more times then ;) Feb 29 23:27:41 * sp3000 is only up to ~100 or so Feb 29 23:27:46 I've had the flasher miss ONCE. Feb 29 23:27:51 heh Feb 29 23:28:06 One less thing to go wrong, anyway. Feb 29 23:31:50 hmm Feb 29 23:31:57 i guess i have broken apt-get Feb 29 23:31:57 :> Feb 29 23:32:27 it won't allow me to install new packages without those 'required -ms' Feb 29 23:33:18 without what? Feb 29 23:33:29 apt-get -f install maemopad+ Feb 29 23:33:32 results with: Feb 29 23:33:41 (...) Feb 29 23:33:42 tablet-browser-ui: Depends: hildon-common-strings-l10n-mr0 but it is not installable or Feb 29 23:33:42 hildon-common-strings-l10n-mr Feb 29 23:33:44 E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution). Feb 29 23:34:47 this is on scratchbox? Feb 29 23:34:48 ugh - I have to run flasher commands with sudo :( Feb 29 23:34:52 nope Feb 29 23:34:54 on n800 Feb 29 23:35:08 desertc, why "ugh"? Feb 29 23:35:20 and there's only one to run. Feb 29 23:35:21 I run flasher on the n800 ? Feb 29 23:35:22 I guess apps like to depend on localizations, for better or for worse Feb 29 23:35:34 those l10n packages should be there... Feb 29 23:35:37 but i don't want no stinky localizations Feb 29 23:35:42 I thought I ran flasher on the desktop Feb 29 23:35:43 desertc: that was a different conversation Feb 29 23:35:56 sp3000: oh, thanks Feb 29 23:35:56 Of course you run it on the desktop Feb 29 23:36:04 Wires are getting crossed. Feb 29 23:36:08 KotCzarny, did you remove them? Feb 29 23:36:22 jku: yes Feb 29 23:36:35 ah, that explains it :) Feb 29 23:36:40 :) Feb 29 23:36:53 Why are you worried about a few hundred KB of localization packages, anyway? Feb 29 23:36:57 how to make apt-get happy now (without installing those packages) Feb 29 23:37:20 I do not like running things with sudo - especially when I am following some stranger's instructions regarding files downloaded from the internet. *runs command and crosses fingers* Feb 29 23:37:25 no way to do that Feb 29 23:37:45 desertc, it's just so it can use the USB bus. Feb 29 23:37:54 KotCzarny, but you could make your own meta-packages that do not depend on the localizations Feb 29 23:38:05 you could create fake packages Feb 29 23:38:12 If you don't want to have to run it as root, then give the user access to the bus. Feb 29 23:38:17 but i will have to reinstall them, yes? Feb 29 23:38:17 i need a streaming radio client that will cache the stream and let me auto-grab a song i like without losing the beginning Feb 29 23:38:18 oh, yeah, or less of them, like that Feb 29 23:38:28 pupnik: mplayer Feb 29 23:38:29 :) Feb 29 23:38:33 not Feb 29 23:38:39 yes, --dump-stream Feb 29 23:39:03 KotCzarny, hildon-common-strings-l10n-mr0 or hildon-common-strings-l10n-mr must be there yes Feb 29 23:39:03 i guess there was a frontend to mplayer to do what you wanted Feb 29 23:39:22 maybe i was unclear. i don't want to fill up gigabytes of media while listening Feb 29 23:39:23 jku: i cut most of the error message Feb 29 23:39:30 ]NO, YOU ALL ARE GAY. Feb 29 23:39:35 End of argument. Feb 29 23:41:30 KotCzarny, if you really want to get rid of localizations, I guess you could make single empty package that "provides" all of the meta-l10n packages (but doesn't depend on anything). Lot of work for not much gain though Feb 29 23:41:51 i guess it's time for some sed fun Feb 29 23:41:55 so - with flasher, I ran it, it says it could not find a suitable usb device, and I tried to reboot my nokia but it still doesn't see it Feb 29 23:42:27 [53563.650852] scsi 3:0:0:0: Direct-Access Nokia N800 0316 PQ: 0 ANSI: 2 Feb 29 23:42:40 It does show up in my system log, however! Feb 29 23:43:55 Turn off the N800. Feb 29 23:43:59 Plug it into a USB port on the machine. Feb 29 23:44:03 Start the flasher. Feb 29 23:44:09 Hold down the home key and power on the N800. Feb 29 23:44:18 * Navi reads some scrollback Feb 29 23:44:19 Right. Thanks for your help. Wish that was in the instructions Feb 29 23:44:20 Release the Home key once you see the USB icon. Feb 29 23:44:36 That's in all the instructions I can recall reading. Feb 29 23:44:37 * GeneralAntilles shrugs. Feb 29 23:45:27 ZOMG I DUN LEIK 2 UZ TEH SUDO CUZ IM TARD *cough* Feb 29 23:46:14 navi: too much irc Feb 29 23:46:14 :) Feb 29 23:46:23 someone needs to go have some fun this weekend to release some pent up energy... ;) Feb 29 23:48:23 heh Feb 29 23:48:35 I'm just passing along the judgements of those who are too polite to do so Feb 29 23:48:37 * lcuk_2 is suffering from lazyitis Feb 29 23:48:37 hmm - GeneralAntilles - I did give your instructions a try, with no success. I do notice that my Rhythmbox music player pops up when the N800 comes online. I wonder if it is interrupting Flasher in some way Feb 29 23:48:58 lcuk_2, shit, you should get that checked Feb 29 23:49:13 lcuk_2, my uncle had that, died two weeks later. Feb 29 23:49:16 desertc: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux?highlight=%2528CategoryFlashing%2529#312936fe52de4398657f61dbf7c06747 right? Feb 29 23:49:16 Has the device actually been turned off. Feb 29 23:49:16 i think doctor will just recommend sleep Feb 29 23:49:25 Have you actually seen a USB logo? Feb 29 23:49:26 oh my hash Feb 29 23:49:41 lcuk_2, maybe Feb 29 23:49:42 I do see the USB logo on the N800 device Feb 29 23:49:49 :> Feb 29 23:49:54 on screen? Feb 29 23:49:58 Also, I am doing a "Switch off!" and the device seems off Feb 29 23:50:05 how off? Feb 29 23:50:08 Is it plugged into the charger? Feb 29 23:50:12 is the charger pluggedP? Feb 29 23:50:24 actually, it is plugged into the charger, yes Feb 29 23:50:27 ooh, my fingers are talking lilsp Feb 29 23:50:27 ;) Feb 29 23:50:35 N800: Unplug charger and switch off the Nokia N800. Feb 29 23:50:40 desertc: so the instructions say unplug the charger Feb 29 23:50:44 huh - yeah the battery had run out Feb 29 23:50:50 If it's plugged into the charger, it's not turned off. Feb 29 23:50:56 I'm looking at some bad instructions then. Feb 29 23:50:57 unplug it, turn it all the way off Feb 29 23:51:00 pupnik, when you are running sdl, have you got tearsync sorted? ive been playing with a variation at 800*480 and its working, but it looks crap compared to my silky smooth XV version Feb 29 23:51:04 run the flasher, plug in the USB cable Feb 29 23:51:06 Which ones, desertc? Feb 29 23:51:13 then plug in the N800 and it'll flash Feb 29 23:51:15 http://crave.cnet.com/8301-1_105-9816300-1.html Feb 29 23:51:17 It's _not hard_ Feb 29 23:51:34 yeah, crave.net isn't the one nokia.com links to :) Feb 29 23:51:35 I did it for the first time a few days ago and was done with it within two minutes Feb 29 23:51:59 lcuk_2: no Feb 29 23:52:24 damn, it might be worth my while following xv down then and seeing how it manages it. Feb 29 23:52:53 lcuk_2 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/34480 Feb 29 23:53:03 ill try to get something to show the difference. i need to refactor all this stuff and remove hard written paths to things, but im not entirely sure where data and apps should end up Feb 29 23:53:17 ioctl(fbfd, OMAPFB_VSYNC); Feb 29 23:53:18 Navi: yeah, it doesn't help when you find bad instructions Feb 29 23:54:08 teh interwebs are annoying like that, for every good doc there's a handful of ones with fairly random similar content Feb 29 23:54:10 sp3000, They're not bad. Feb 29 23:54:15 Jesus christ Feb 29 23:54:20 yer i saw the ioctls when i was examining the omapfb code (Which went by the wayside whilst i look at xv which is easier to configure) Feb 29 23:54:44 sp3000: the instructions I found on nokia's site said to use some pc sync software on windows Feb 29 23:54:53 i didnt realise sdl sent info through x itself rather than sidestepping it for this device Feb 29 23:55:14 that's the normal path for sdl Feb 29 23:55:24 (when run under X) Feb 29 23:56:00 desertc: http://europe.nokia.com/A4632004 -> * Download software update -> For updating your software using a Linux computer, go to www.maemo.org. -> links to the good doc Feb 29 23:56:10 i thought it went to lowest layer possible (omapfb/direct ioctls) rather than x. thats just me not knowing sdl tho Feb 29 23:56:16 desertc, you downloaded the image, why didn't you bother to check maemo.org -_- Feb 29 23:57:00 Navi: it doesn't say maemo.org on the image I think Feb 29 23:57:13 sp3000, but think about where he downloaded the image. Feb 29 23:57:16 Navi: the bad doc in question only says "reboot", going into actingdead isn't really that distinguishable from that for most people I suspect Feb 29 23:57:24 Navi: tablets-dev something Feb 29 23:57:54 when testing binaries on the device, where is the most logical place for me to put them? and do i use a subfolder to hold all my exes together or just put each into one big long /bin folder with everything else? Feb 29 23:58:05 sp3000: thank you for your help -- I missed the "for updating your software using a linux computer", because the operating system requirements listed only Windows versions Feb 29 23:58:08 keep at it lcuk_2, if you burn out, take a break Feb 29 23:58:08 (either maemo without the dash or nokia with the dash, for max oddness) Feb 29 23:58:11 /usr/local Feb 29 23:58:11 :) Feb 29 23:58:32 for the last couple of weeks i have been putting them in /usr/bin/liq/myexe Feb 29 23:58:39 lcuk_2: if you do echo $PATH you can see where bins are executed from Feb 29 23:58:42 it works but its not right Feb 29 23:58:53 you can also execute a binary locally with ./binary Feb 29 23:58:54 also /opt can be the place Feb 29 23:59:10 /usr/local/ is for lazy people, like me. Feb 29 23:59:16 yer i know that, but i want to position the files on my device as a user will expect to find them Feb 29 23:59:24 Why a package would install there is beyond me. Feb 29 23:59:43 /usr/local is for stuff Feb 29 23:59:55 for packages it's / or /usr Feb 29 23:59:56 wow - big difference when you have the right instructions Mar 01 00:00:01 depending how critical it is Mar 01 00:00:06 KotCzarny, yes, unmanaged stuff. Mar 01 00:00:59 you can also prepare some shell script Mar 01 00:01:00 hey - whoever is responsible for the AMD64 bit version on Flasher, thank you! most developers ignore linux users and those who don't ignore the 64 bit users. Mar 01 00:01:52 http://xo.typepad.com/blog/2008/02/superman-blow-u.html Mar 01 00:01:56 Somebody should yell at that guy to either take those down or fix them. Mar 01 00:02:50 hmm Mar 01 00:02:52 i use a script for copying everything from scratchbox over after compilation goes smoothly, then execute it with ssh. can i pre-set a "startin" folder so that my exe can find data files stored in the same place as the exe, or is there some kind of api to tell me the exe path? Mar 01 00:03:06 yes Mar 01 00:03:45 echo $PATH Mar 01 00:03:46 :) Mar 01 00:03:47 fysa: I love the truncation on the url slug Mar 01 00:03:55 too Mar 01 00:04:02 and for setting: PATH=$PATH:your_dir Mar 01 00:04:25 ahhhhhhh Mar 01 00:04:27 yes. Mar 01 00:04:34 it's a linux Mar 01 00:05:14 but that wont tell me which folder i started from, although it may get around not knowing the path to a specific data file Mar 01 00:05:26 pwd is for that Mar 01 00:05:31 or $PWD Mar 01 00:05:35 depending on shell Mar 01 00:05:51 and you can always use: . Mar 01 00:05:58 it means 'current dir' Mar 01 00:07:12 consider this call: "ssh root@10.0.0.2 /usr/bin/liq/testprog" inside there, if i fopen something without specifying a path it blows. so far i have had to specify the full path, you are saying if i just use "./mydata.file" it should work? Mar 01 00:08:06 i believe you have that in ARGV[0] Mar 01 00:08:24 use dirname(ARGV[0]) Mar 01 00:08:39 and you will get calling path Mar 01 00:09:08 :D holy crap batman, you're right. i should have remembered that from my old old old old c days :D thank you Mar 01 00:09:14 :) Mar 01 00:09:29 * lcuk_2 goes and simplifies everything Mar 01 00:10:24 you can then chdir() to that dir Mar 01 00:10:45 or something Mar 01 00:11:31 yer, it was knowing where i was that was the problem. ive had my head in microsoft land for too long (vb) and whilst my c thinking is coming back, the api is still a bit rough Mar 01 00:11:55 $a=file_get_contents("status"); Mar 01 00:11:55 $b=preg_replace("@[,\|]\s*?[a-z][^ ]*?-mr0?@","",$a); Mar 01 00:11:55 $f=fopen("status1","w"); fwrite($f,$b); Mar 01 00:12:00 * KotCzarny loves php Mar 01 00:12:01 :> Mar 01 00:12:21 (script to remove dependencies on -mr*) Mar 01 00:12:22 ;) Mar 01 00:12:57 i wonder how long would be that script in C Mar 01 00:14:17 whew -- this OS2008 is hot Mar 01 00:14:34 why? Mar 01 00:15:08 the GUI so far is much better optimized to the screen size Mar 01 00:15:09 Metalayer-crawler is stuck on a symlink. :P Mar 01 00:15:29 * KotCzarny removed metalayer-crawler from rc2.d Mar 01 00:15:30 :> Mar 01 00:15:34 i keep having to shutdown some xml indexer thing Mar 01 00:17:02 has there ever been any discussion about including Gizmo Project with Maemo by default? Mar 01 00:17:36 I am someone who would like to see SIP communication become more of a standard Mar 01 00:17:44 :) Mar 01 00:18:26 It is bundled. Mar 01 00:18:32 Well, the installer is. Mar 01 00:18:55 what's 'gizmo' ? Mar 01 00:19:08 looks like some marketing forced app Mar 01 00:19:12 ah - gotcha - I thought that might be left over from my previous install. I just ran through the install Mar 01 00:19:13 desertc, a SIP client is bundled... check the Accounts control panel Mar 01 00:19:25 LIES Mar 01 00:19:29 truths Mar 01 00:19:31 * leif__ uses gizmo though Mar 01 00:19:38 Why use gizmo? Mar 01 00:19:46 I like the rtcomm interface better Mar 01 00:20:03 Seriously, having Gizmo idling all the time eats RAM. Mar 01 00:20:11 does rtcomm fetch the phonebook from gizmo's servers yet? Mar 01 00:20:21 Dunno Mar 01 00:20:24 general: how to remove gizmo from menu? Mar 01 00:20:28 * GeneralAntilles doesn't have a phonebook on Gizmo's servers. Mar 01 00:20:30 didn't last i tried it Mar 01 00:20:37 (same with rhapsody) Mar 01 00:20:41 KotCzarny, just install it and uninstall it. Mar 01 00:20:51 huh Mar 01 00:20:53 How lame, how do you go back to the "currently playing" screen on Canola2? Mar 01 00:21:01 should be removable by simple 'delete' button Mar 01 00:21:05 nevermind Mar 01 00:21:15 didn't see that obscure button in the top right Mar 01 00:21:17 navi: press L^ button Mar 01 00:21:25 (the one belowe d-pad) Mar 01 00:21:28 Or remove the .desktops from /usr/share/applications/hildon Mar 01 00:21:36 KotCzarny, that goes backwards :P Mar 01 00:21:41 it always takes you out of the fullscreen Mar 01 00:21:56 at least that's what i have observed Mar 01 00:21:57 :) Mar 01 00:22:05 * Navi rolls his eyes Mar 01 00:22:08 Gizmo is fullscreen only. Mar 01 00:22:17 s/Gizmo/Canola2/ Mar 01 00:22:17 GeneralAntilles meant: Canola2 is fullscreen only. Mar 01 00:22:30 s/eyes/tail/ Mar 01 00:22:30 There's no windowed mode. . . . Mar 01 00:22:35 aw Mar 01 00:22:38 :> Mar 01 00:23:06 general: i did that, doesn't work Mar 01 00:23:26 http://linuxuk.blogspot.com/2008/02/canola2-windowed-mode.html Mar 01 00:23:28 it's probably somewhere else too Mar 01 00:23:46 The server encountered a temporary error and could not complete your request. Mar 01 00:23:47 lol Mar 01 00:23:48 Canola = dedicated media player mode, just to show off Mar 01 00:23:48 GeneralAntilles, that url would show you about canola2's windowed mode... except google is sending me a 502 error there currently Mar 01 00:24:01 windowed mode is gross Mar 01 00:24:18 * KotCzarny will install fluxbox anyway Mar 01 00:24:20 * leif__ has not tried canola2 since the first beta Mar 01 00:24:21 sooner or later Mar 01 00:24:29 KotCzarny, worked for me, you sure you removed them? Mar 01 00:25:07 ls: /usr/share/applications/hildon/giz*: No such file or directory Mar 01 00:25:36 to run in windowed mode just use -n, see --help Mar 01 00:26:07 ok, so! ive installed scratchbox now - on my i686 arch, but i get the following error when i try login to an sbox session: Mar 01 00:26:13 Inconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c: 1192: dl_main: Assertion `(void *) ph->p_vaddr == _rtld_local._dl_sysinfo_dso' failed! Mar 01 00:26:18 tux: vdso Mar 01 00:26:28 echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled Mar 01 00:26:54 thats it? Mar 01 00:26:57 yes Mar 01 00:26:59 worked for me Mar 01 00:27:31 yes true - thx :D Mar 01 00:27:35 :) Mar 01 00:27:40 Arch as in ArchLinux? Mar 01 00:27:49 or Arch as in Architecture? Mar 01 00:27:53 2. Mar 01 00:28:02 mmk Mar 01 00:28:02 both hehe Mar 01 00:28:19 TuxProbe, I posted it on the forums, should of searched there first. Mar 01 00:28:31 ArchLinux forums, that is. Mar 01 00:28:35 another question, can i remove contacts and bookmarks plugins from nav? Mar 01 00:28:42 Yes Mar 01 00:28:44 KotCzarny, what does dpkg -L gizmo-installer tell you? Mar 01 00:28:45 how? Mar 01 00:28:46 But it breaks things Mar 01 00:28:49 im searching google - a lot navi, which forum to be specific? Mar 01 00:28:53 and the taskbar wont expand to fill the space up Mar 01 00:28:57 general: hmm Mar 01 00:29:05 [18:24:42] ArchLinux forums, that is. <- These forums Mar 01 00:29:12 can they be changed to other functions then? Mar 01 00:29:20 Supposedly. Mar 01 00:29:21 GeneralAntilles: Yes, the SIP account integration is very nice. :-> Mar 01 00:29:25 how? Mar 01 00:29:27 ah sry i see Mar 01 00:29:30 The plugins that provide that functionality are closed-source, though. Mar 01 00:29:38 So somebody will need to figure out how to write them. Mar 01 00:29:42 hum Mar 01 00:29:49 but why they aren't removable? Mar 01 00:30:07 Probably because the taskbar isn't fluid. Mar 01 00:30:13 hmm Mar 01 00:30:27 pity Mar 01 00:30:34 i could use that space Mar 01 00:30:58 I can't imagine why Nokia decided to close those. Mar 01 00:31:17 The functionality to swap in new plugins there has been there for a while now. Mar 01 00:31:36 maybe they're hiding something Mar 01 00:31:40 Somebody needs to figure out how they work and give us some more menus. Mar 01 00:31:58 Quick and dirty way of solving the hugeness issue of the OS2008 Application Menu. Mar 01 00:32:16 The app launching menu is open, at least Mar 01 00:32:25 Is it? Mar 01 00:32:33 it is in hildon-desktop, yes Mar 01 00:32:44 Has anybody tried replacing the contacts plugin with another app launching plugin? Mar 01 00:33:05 should one go for a OS2008 on the Nokia N800? Whats the big difference between 07 and 08 in the hildon department anyways? Mar 01 00:33:09 * leif__ has thought about it Mar 01 00:33:16 less useless would be good Mar 01 00:33:35 but I don't have scratchbox available to me currently Mar 01 00:33:53 TuxProbe, there's only one thing you need to know: OS2008 has 70 free MHz. Mar 01 00:34:18 TuxProbe, it also is what all the current and new apps are targeting Mar 01 00:34:23 yea a little CPU tweak i know Mar 01 00:34:33 Well that, and it's GTK 2.10 versus 2.6 Mar 01 00:34:46 and gizmo 4 vs 3 Mar 01 00:34:52 but then you get slower dsp Mar 01 00:34:55 but ive read, there are most applications available towards 07 yet Mar 01 00:35:06 ... Mar 01 00:35:12 look at maemo.org/downloads and see Mar 01 00:35:12 tux: there are many apps for 08 Mar 01 00:35:35 slower DSP does not affect overall performace really Mar 01 00:35:50 not too interested in those anyways, must.. build.. own packages.. hehe Mar 01 00:36:26 DSP basically only decodes mp3s Mar 01 00:36:29 So, uh, who cares? Mar 01 00:36:29 is the usb thingy stable? Mar 01 00:36:38 "usb thingy"? Mar 01 00:36:41 TuxProbe, do you want to build packages for last years abandoned platform, or this year's platform which likely won't be abandoned for many more months still? Mar 01 00:37:04 also plays/records/mixes Mar 01 00:37:06 usbcontrol Mar 01 00:37:13 * leif__ needs to go Mar 01 00:37:20 ttyl Mar 01 00:37:21 ciao leif Mar 01 00:37:57 sry, carry on :) Mar 01 00:38:02 n800music, there really isn't much to it. Mar 01 00:38:07 Not really a stable or unstable thing Mar 01 00:38:16 It either works or it doesn't, and it seems to work. Mar 01 00:39:09 http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/screenshot00.png Mar 01 00:39:17 well usb drives tend to fry if disconnected randomly Mar 01 00:39:28 that's all Mar 01 00:40:04 the less stuff cluttering, the happier i am Mar 01 00:41:47 wow Mar 01 00:41:59 really impressed with this upgrade Mar 01 00:43:09 why do I need to have a memory card plugged in the device to connect it through usb with my computer? Mar 01 00:43:36 because it only exports internal-mmc ? Mar 01 00:43:37 Because it doesn't provide any other functionality? Mar 01 00:43:44 (not flash, not external-mmc) Mar 01 00:43:44 because your computer sees it as one or two media drives Mar 01 00:44:10 How do you expect to keep the device booted if it unmounts the rootfs to mount it on your desktop? Mar 01 00:44:28 read-only Mar 01 00:44:29 :) Mar 01 00:44:39 or via some emulation Mar 01 00:44:57 but really sshfs roolez Mar 01 00:45:03 (or nfs) Mar 01 00:45:46 briand: i have two cards, but after connecting usb cable i see only one of them Mar 01 00:45:55 how to see other one? Mar 01 00:46:01 put a file on it Mar 01 00:46:13 i have Mar 01 00:46:14 my external sometimes doesn't show if it's empty Mar 01 00:46:35 it's umount cleanly when i connect usb cable too Mar 01 00:46:39 umounted Mar 01 00:47:12 ...and, you have to have that little "door" shut, too. Mar 01 00:47:18 i have Mar 01 00:47:50 it should show up as sda and sdb for example, yes? Mar 01 00:48:05 * briand shrugs Mar 01 00:48:42 on my Fedora box, it shows up as /media/disk-x and /media/disk-y, where x and y are two (usually) consecutive numbers Mar 01 00:48:50 hmm Mar 01 00:49:43 i should probably modify my fstab so that it shows up as /n800/int and /n800/ext, I guess... Mar 01 00:50:11 maybe i have to enable 'scan all luns' Mar 01 00:50:12 heh Mar 01 00:50:13 hum Mar 01 00:50:24 breaking unix file structure eh? Mar 01 00:52:17 GeneralAntilles: I think I get what you were saying - you can put in the gizmo account details within the SIP account global settings, and not have to use the Gizmo Project client any more! Mar 01 00:53:34 briand: I think you need to edit/add files in /etc/hal/fdi/, not fstab Mar 01 00:54:23 Now I can tie multiple SIP accounts together, like I do with Ekiga on Ubuntu Mar 01 00:56:00 echo 7 > /sys/module/scsi_mod/parameters/max_luns Mar 01 00:56:02 yes. Mar 01 00:56:30 Only a little broken http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/appmenu-broken.jpg http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/appmenu-duped.jpg Mar 01 00:56:54 yes Mar 01 00:56:57 i saw that Mar 01 00:57:04 open again to show the entries Mar 01 00:57:20 Oops . . . same picture Mar 01 00:57:30 not same Mar 01 00:57:39 It DOES work Mar 01 00:57:40 One sec Mar 01 00:59:11 http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/appmenu-duped.jpg Mar 01 00:59:33 btw. you should make icons 64x64 Mar 01 00:59:56 it will align text then Mar 01 01:00:04 * KotCzarny fixed his menus that way Mar 01 01:00:22 Yeah, don't care. Mar 01 01:01:53 michele_: hmm. no idea how to go about that Mar 01 01:02:57 KotCzarny: what's the clock app in that screenshot? Mar 01 01:03:30 'statusbar clock' Mar 01 01:03:31 lcdd, you follow ITT at ALL? :P Mar 01 01:03:46 not lately Mar 01 01:03:54 lol Mar 01 01:04:22 It's only been on the front page for the past week and half. . . . Mar 01 01:04:23 is there a way to make app-menu thinner? Mar 01 01:05:10 ie. to fit more entries on screen at a time? Mar 01 01:05:46 3,48K/s damned be freedesktop :o Mar 01 01:07:08 The Panels Control Panel doesn't seem ready for most than 3 navigator plugins yet. Mar 01 01:07:19 Wont let me select my duped application menu. Mar 01 01:07:27 anyway to check what the connection error is for SIP logins? Mar 01 01:07:50 general: it's duped even if you simply delete contacts.desktop Mar 01 01:08:34 I got one account (Gizmo) connected, but one account (Diamond) did not connect. Mar 01 01:09:54 haha -- :( -- it was a typo Mar 01 01:11:14 thanks all for your help - this new OS2008 has me really excited. I was only expecting minor fixes. :) :) :) Mar 01 01:11:22 lol Mar 01 01:11:35 it was that sudo guy? Mar 01 01:11:38 or another? Mar 01 01:12:52 off-topic: http://fun.noshit.pl/DIR-2008.02.29/fun_noshit9.jpg Mar 01 01:12:53 That's the sudo guy. Mar 01 01:12:54 lol Mar 01 01:14:43 KotCzarny: That guy needs an Internet Tablet. Would be much handier ;) Mar 01 01:16:26 Users are too stupid to handle superuser powers. Mar 01 01:16:56 good thing to be cautious Mar 01 01:17:33 sudo chmod 600 /usr/bin/sudo Mar 01 01:18:02 cp /bin/false /usr/bin/sudo Mar 01 01:18:03 ;) Mar 01 01:21:45 hmm Mar 01 01:21:55 anyone tried booting from mmc? Mar 01 01:23:02 internal? yes :) Mar 01 01:23:08 external? Mar 01 01:24:12 i just got the tablet yesterday, soo... :P Mar 01 01:24:21 ah. n800? Mar 01 01:24:29 yea Mar 01 01:24:41 what howto have you used? Mar 01 01:24:49 borrowed for a project, have it for like half a year for free ;) Mar 01 01:25:17 hmm the logical one? nothing in specific - just xterm skills Mar 01 01:25:33 i would like some bootmenu Mar 01 01:25:36 howto on sb was a must tho Mar 01 01:25:40 in case anything goes wrong Mar 01 01:27:38 KotCzarny: http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/#initfs Mar 01 01:27:49 create an image of your ROOT perhaps - be able to reflash it if u brick Mar 01 01:28:05 that's the one linked in the wiki page I pointed you to earlier today Mar 01 01:28:42 more details plz :) for everyone: teach specifics to the needy hehe Mar 01 01:29:30 details here: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_easily_boot_from_mmc_card/ Mar 01 01:29:35 how is the initfs compressed? Mar 01 01:29:58 hmm Mar 01 01:30:05 it's for os2k6/7 Mar 01 01:30:15 the first boot i made took like.. 5-8 minutes! Mar 01 01:31:24 Sounds like the internal flash card might be corrupted. Mar 01 01:32:25 This is really a much better guide: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8631 Mar 01 01:32:32 flasher.sh took care of it hehe - i found like 1500 emails on storage :) Mar 01 01:52:28 Where's my code monkey? http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/appmenu-mockup.jpg Mar 01 01:53:09 but it's not that usefull Mar 01 01:53:19 Says you. Mar 01 01:53:23 How long have you had your device? Mar 01 01:53:25 KotCzarny, it's pleasing Mar 01 01:53:36 thumb-friendly Mar 01 01:53:41 no need for crappy scrolling Mar 01 01:53:44 me? less than a week Mar 01 01:53:48 Exactly. Mar 01 01:53:53 Your opinion on these matters is void. Mar 01 01:53:56 good Mar 01 01:54:00 that's what hibernate would be for Mar 01 01:54:04 :) Mar 01 01:54:31 and if you want even less clicks use some 'desktop-icons' app Mar 01 01:54:47 forgot the name Mar 01 01:54:49 This is mostly about freeing up more space in Application Manager. Mar 01 01:54:53 Or Mar 01 01:54:57 s/Manager/Menu/ Mar 01 01:54:58 but it's on maemo.org Mar 01 01:55:02 simplelaunch Mar 01 01:55:03 KotCzarny: it exists? Mar 01 01:55:06 But that's not the point. Mar 01 01:55:07 cool Mar 01 01:55:15 s/launch/launcher/ Mar 01 01:55:36 btw. do they work? Mar 01 01:55:44 i mean icons in first menu Mar 01 01:55:53 It's a mockup. Mar 01 01:55:57 ah. Mar 01 01:55:58 :) Mar 01 01:56:04 Thus this filename. . . . Mar 01 01:56:16 ah, so it's a photoshopped wish-list, then Mar 01 01:56:43 Not really a wish-list. Mar 01 01:57:06 s/wish-list/set of demands/ Mar 01 01:57:07 briand meant: ah, so it's a photoshopped set of demands, then Mar 01 01:57:07 ;) Mar 01 01:57:11 http://www.kineticform.com/images/sketch/wish-list.jpg Mar 01 01:57:13 That's a wish list. Mar 01 01:57:37 taller? Mar 01 01:57:39 rabbit? Mar 01 01:57:40 o.O Mar 01 01:57:43 This is a future application mockup. Mar 01 01:57:54 yeah. Mar 01 01:58:03 Well, utility thing. Mar 01 01:58:08 Navigator plugin. Mar 01 01:58:17 64 impala isn't so cool, anyway. better off with a '72 Malibu Mar 01 01:58:24 hey does somebody know something about a wlanreset? i read month ago about it Mar 01 01:58:40 Better off with a '70 Challenger R/T Mar 01 01:58:47 Or a '66 Charger 428 Mar 01 01:58:51 well, yeah. Mar 01 01:59:09 or '74 Duster with a 360 Mar 01 01:59:12 ;) Mar 01 01:59:17 * briand 's first car. Mar 01 01:59:32 * Navi wonders how this random conversation came to be Mar 01 01:59:43 Click my links. Mar 01 01:59:45 They reveal all. Mar 01 02:00:11 it's a jpeg-enhanced stream-of-consciousness conversation Mar 01 02:01:16 good to know you're a Mopar fan, anyway. Mar 01 02:01:18 rm_you needs to be done doing IRL things so I can prod him into productivity again. Mar 01 02:01:30 I prefer the 71 Charger Mar 01 02:01:37 I'm guessing you didn't get on the waiting list for the new Challenger, either, huh? Mar 01 02:01:47 Haha Mar 01 02:01:52 It looks great. Mar 01 02:02:01 Took bad they went with the fugly new Charger interior Mar 01 02:02:11 360HP/325ft-lbs torque... right off the factory floor. :) Mar 01 02:02:17 and that gross-as-hell autostick contraptions. Mar 01 02:02:49 Vanishing Point = 70 > 71 Mar 01 02:14:26 http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/apache/ Mar 01 02:14:28 cool. Mar 01 02:14:31 now php. Mar 01 02:14:32 :) Mar 01 02:16:05 It's in the maemo hacker repo. Mar 01 02:17:02 and that means? Mar 01 02:17:18 >_> Mar 01 02:17:23 someone should look stuff up Mar 01 02:19:10 s/hacker/hackers/ Mar 01 02:19:10 GeneralAntilles meant: It's in the maemo hackers repo. Mar 01 02:20:11 if there are no wires it's not hacking. Mar 01 02:20:12 :) Mar 01 02:20:28 http://blogs.forum.nokia.com//data/blogs/resources/300003/IMG_0205.JPG Mar 01 02:20:29 ;) Mar 01 02:24:05 ynezz: http://simple-launcher.garage.maemo.org/ Mar 01 02:38:58 dzieky :p Mar 01 02:39:12 czech? Mar 01 02:39:13 :P Mar 01 02:39:24 tak Mar 01 02:39:29 spoko Mar 01 02:49:39 NOTE: package kismet-2007-10-R1: completed :D Mar 01 03:08:59 The IM log viewer sucks >_> Mar 01 03:09:07 u suk Mar 01 03:09:08 It's only showing one line from each of my conversations Mar 01 03:09:19 you're one-liner Mar 01 03:09:20 ;) Mar 01 03:09:27 that's what it thinks of you Mar 01 03:09:44 KotCzarny, troll Mar 01 03:10:03 where? Mar 01 03:10:08 you Mar 01 03:10:15 nah, i'm a bot Mar 01 03:11:12 hrm Mar 01 03:28:35 Suppose I install Sun xVM (virtualization environment) on a SPARC machine, and create a linux machine. Is there a chance the maemo SDK installs on that? I'm not sure if virtualization implies emulation in this case (ie. is an x86 being emulated, or is linux running natively on a SPARC) Mar 01 03:29:32 why not just buy some cheap p3? Mar 01 03:29:33 :> Mar 01 03:29:44 they go for ~20$ now ;) Mar 01 03:30:29 it's not a lack of hardware problem. I'm looking for an excuse to use my solaris 10 box :) Mar 01 03:30:40 then just do it Mar 01 03:30:41 use solaris to pwn the web Mar 01 03:30:44 :) Mar 01 03:30:57 I like solaris its diffrent Mar 01 03:31:00 and I like diffrent Mar 01 03:31:07 its I wish it had more hardware support Mar 01 03:31:14 :> Mar 01 03:31:53 I have an osx86, linux box, and windows box as well.. but i should actually try to get down to 1 or 2 boxes w/ all the moving i do Mar 01 03:31:59 I like the java desktop also its pretty cool Mar 01 03:32:18 I like ponies Mar 01 03:32:19 osx86 is well dumb u should just buy a mac mini : ) Mar 01 03:32:40 what does that get me? Mar 01 03:32:49 don't argue with kids Mar 01 03:32:53 a box that runs os x natively Mar 01 03:32:53 powerpc i guess Mar 01 03:32:58 and yea dont argue with me : ) Mar 01 03:33:00 I built the OSx86 using free after MIR parts, mostly. Mar 01 03:33:01 my mini is intel Mar 01 03:33:18 that and legit macs are cooler : ) Mar 01 03:33:22 * KotCzarny has b&w g3 Mar 01 03:33:26 ..in a closet Mar 01 03:33:26 ;) Mar 01 03:33:40 wait, not sure that running osx natively is any different than what i'm doing Mar 01 03:33:41 this really makes you cool, sir Mar 01 03:33:42 but runs 10.0.3.9 no problems Mar 01 03:34:45 I'm actually running an old version of Tiger. so i'm probably losing ground on features by now Mar 01 03:35:01 idk I just dont like the os x86 project Mar 01 03:35:09 Why not? Mar 01 03:35:19 because it's x86 Mar 01 03:35:24 'another clone' Mar 01 03:35:25 :) Mar 01 03:35:26 my mini is x86 Mar 01 03:35:27 I heard Apple closed the darwin source as of 10.4.3, yet the osX86 project supports leopard.. how? Mar 01 03:35:28 but Mar 01 03:36:01 the os x 86 is really shady and with the wierd hardware support and what not you might as well buy a mac mini Mar 01 03:36:19 I have a b&w g3 too Kot.. and I had to hack it to make Tiger install Mar 01 03:36:38 hmm, tiger is 10.4 ? Mar 01 03:36:45 or 10.3 ? Mar 01 03:36:51 10.4 Mar 01 03:36:55 ah, well Mar 01 03:37:08 i have played with osx for a few days only Mar 01 03:37:11 That's why I don't get how there is an osX86 project for Leopard Mar 01 03:37:12 dospod, pfft, Linux is shady with the weird GNU support and what not you might as well buy a tractor Mar 01 03:37:20 nice, but not for me Mar 01 03:37:36 hi guys Mar 01 03:37:42 linux is less shady than os x 86 Mar 01 03:37:50 Your face. Mar 01 03:37:51 linux runs on alpha Mar 01 03:37:53 ;) Mar 01 03:37:55 I just bought a N800 and its great Mar 01 03:38:02 cLin, YAY Mar 01 03:38:04 \o/ Mar 01 03:38:05 who cares about shady? unless you're married to one machine or something Mar 01 03:38:09 indeed Mar 01 03:38:10 Hoorays for cLin Mar 01 03:38:13 thinkpads! Mar 01 03:38:15 kind of confusing to install some things but yay Mar 01 03:38:17 :) Mar 01 03:38:26 unixSnob: maybe he is Mar 01 03:38:47 I blame the maemo repo maintainers Mar 01 03:38:50 i only have one machine Mar 01 03:38:55 they overcomplicate things on everything Mar 01 03:39:11 what aresome good catalogs to subscribe to? Mar 01 03:39:21 maemo.org Mar 01 03:39:23 check out gronmayer.com/it? Mar 01 03:39:30 even w/ one physical machine, you can always run many virtual machines w/ "shady" support Mar 01 03:39:36 ok Mar 01 03:39:54 OTOH, linux support is better than COTS support, most of the time. Mar 01 03:39:56 and also, i can't seem to enable RD mode, don't i jsut type sudo flasher --enable-rd-mode in xterm? it asks for a pw and rootme doesn't work Mar 01 03:40:27 why would you need rd mode? Mar 01 03:40:47 trying to install python, to install mclock Mar 01 03:40:57 I recall posting to a mailing list for an obscure linux tool "would be nice if the tool did this..." The developer added the feature and sent me a copy w/in a day. I could not pay for better support. Mar 01 03:41:07 you don't need rd mode for that Mar 01 03:41:08 :) Mar 01 03:41:18 unixSnob, yeah, gotta love Linux devs. Mar 01 03:41:19 oh Mar 01 03:41:34 http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/installation.html Mar 01 03:41:43 it says i need i though? how do i install it then? Mar 01 03:41:46 just add: deb http://repository.maemo.org chinook free Mar 01 03:41:48 need it* Mar 01 03:41:49 That was the LaTeX to RTF convertor tool, btw. Mar 01 03:41:53 ok Mar 01 03:42:00 Lol, RTF Mar 01 03:42:23 also enable extras Mar 01 03:42:25 I had a prof that mandated word doc submissions. Thats y i needed rtf Mar 01 03:42:31 :) Mar 01 03:42:51 then just update reps and you should have python in app-manager Mar 01 03:42:57 how do i enable it?the disable box is unchecked Mar 01 03:42:59 ok Mar 01 03:43:46 btw. do you have os2008 or another? Mar 01 03:44:12 os2008 Mar 01 03:44:16 ok Mar 01 03:44:16 i just updated it Mar 01 03:44:38 i just literally installed os2008 so i have a 16gig sd card and nothing on both the tablet and the card Mar 01 03:44:48 i also got a gps receievr so im hoping to get everything setup :DD Mar 01 03:45:02 this is by far the coolest gadget i have gotten for a long time Mar 01 03:45:07 :) Mar 01 03:45:56 which python packaage? ther'es -edje-demo, feedparser and pyinotify Mar 01 03:46:41 just install app that would need python Mar 01 03:46:47 and it should get what it needs Mar 01 03:47:20 which app would have it? Mar 01 03:47:34 which app you want to use? Mar 01 03:47:55 mclock, but i dont see it.. Mar 01 03:48:09 can't stand Sun's website.. so much marketing bullshit, and no where to click to get the real info. Mar 01 03:48:53 clin: where do you look? Mar 01 03:49:03 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9931 Mar 01 03:49:33 go to app-manager Mar 01 03:49:41 ok Mar 01 03:49:53 and browse installable apps Mar 01 03:50:11 im there Mar 01 03:52:08 Supposedly the reason Apple closed the Darwin kernel was to stop osX86 hackers - but considering there is leopard x86 hacked distros, they apparently just alienated the legit development projects Mar 01 03:57:57 imagine that. Mar 01 03:58:14 and here I am shopping a P1620 just for OS X. Mar 01 04:00:32 i'm glad you mentioned that.. someone was telling me about some super light fujitsu the other day, and he didn't know the model name Mar 01 04:00:51 that looks like just what he was talking about.. i have to check that out Mar 01 04:01:16 hmm, super light? macbook air? Mar 01 04:01:16 :> Mar 01 04:01:21 he said they were going for under $200 on ebay Mar 01 04:01:26 well, maybe not light, but thin Mar 01 04:03:00 My N800 is extremely warm to the touch <_< Mar 01 04:03:16 navi: warm or hot? Mar 01 04:03:31 warmish hot Mar 01 04:03:41 ever heard of exploding batteries? Mar 01 04:03:42 :> Mar 01 04:03:44 :P Mar 01 04:03:56 it's not on the side where the battery is Mar 01 04:04:01 how would you operate it after it rips off your fingers? Mar 01 04:04:02 :> Mar 01 04:04:38 it's the right edge where the processor is, along with the top where I assume something else is >_> Mar 01 04:06:03 fysa - do you plan to put virtual box or vmware on that? Mar 01 04:06:50 os2008 --- sooo nice Mar 01 04:07:36 I am convinced now that everyone needs an N800 =) Mar 01 04:07:46 * KotCzarny needs n810 Mar 01 04:07:47 :) Mar 01 04:08:20 just for the gps ? Mar 01 04:08:28 nope Mar 01 04:08:32 for the keyboard Mar 01 04:09:07 oh -- meh - I use this tablet when I am on the go. not wanting to do typing on the road Mar 01 04:09:18 irc. Mar 01 04:09:20 ;) Mar 01 04:09:30 the slide out keyboard is a plus, even without much typing Mar 01 04:09:34 and the screen Mar 01 04:09:41 does OS2008 have a built in irc client? Mar 01 04:09:56 pidgin or xchat Mar 01 04:10:05 or rtcomm beta Mar 01 04:10:06 but i prefer epic Mar 01 04:10:17 (and ssh) Mar 01 04:10:27 pidgin sucks Mar 01 04:10:35 yes Mar 01 04:10:48 oh right, pidgin -- where is that program hiding? Mar 01 04:10:58 in app-manager Mar 01 04:10:59 :) Mar 01 04:11:05 ( I use pidgin for my desktop chat ) Mar 01 04:11:53 pidgin sucks for non-english use.. but it's good otherwise.. supports OTR Mar 01 04:12:43 pidgin sucks for IRC use Mar 01 04:12:49 pidgin sucks Mar 01 04:12:53 I don't see pidgin in the app manager Mar 01 04:12:57 rtcomm beats pidgin at everything else Mar 01 04:13:09 desertc, add maemor.org rep Mar 01 04:13:22 anyway, I already have google talk in os2008, so I guess I don't need it Mar 01 04:13:35 desertc, un-disable extras in tools -> app catalog Mar 01 04:13:48 okay, thanks johnx Mar 01 04:14:34 the map application is nice - even without gps Mar 01 04:14:53 too bad you can't get gps data from the cell phone via bluetooth Mar 01 04:15:26 desertc, you could with an n73 Mar 01 04:15:29 * johnx leaves Mar 01 04:15:54 lxdoom - nice ;) Mar 01 04:15:54 deesertc: maemo-map is nicer Mar 01 04:15:54 how come on maemo mapper the google street zoom level 1-3 don't auto download frequently? it's all pixelated and im on my wireless connection at home which is pretty fast Mar 01 04:16:08 clin: options Mar 01 04:16:16 uncheck pixel doubling Mar 01 04:16:19 ok Mar 01 04:16:32 also you can select levels 1 and 3 if you need Mar 01 04:16:35 also, what zoom levels you guys recommend getting? Mar 01 04:16:54 1-20 Mar 01 04:16:55 ;) Mar 01 04:16:58 im about to leave this on overnight to download some maps and man, i selected 2,3,4,5,6 and it was 8 gigs Mar 01 04:16:59 haha Mar 01 04:17:03 oh sure. Mar 01 04:17:13 lxdoom is one of those things you can show to people - they will instantly understand how powerful the system is Mar 01 04:17:23 lxdoom? powerfull? Mar 01 04:17:27 it ran on 486 Mar 01 04:17:29 ;) Mar 01 04:17:41 even on amiga! Mar 01 04:17:42 (; Mar 01 04:17:49 is the nokia maps program any good? Mar 01 04:17:54 should i bother getting maps on it? Mar 01 04:17:54 but it sets the computers apart from the cellphones Mar 01 04:17:55 (which was 14mhz) Mar 01 04:18:06 clin: use maemo-mapper Mar 01 04:18:14 desertc: not true Mar 01 04:18:29 there are no pure cellphones anymore Mar 01 04:18:30 the new media player is much better in os2008 Mar 01 04:18:45 ok Mar 01 04:18:48 KotCzarny: yes, but can they play doom? Mar 01 04:18:52 ;) Mar 01 04:18:52 yes Mar 01 04:18:57 i guess Mar 01 04:19:04 and which zoom levels? anything different between VE/google and openstreet or is itpreference? Mar 01 04:19:18 well - until I see doom running, then it's just a cell phone :) :) :) Mar 01 04:21:17 GeneralAntilles: lol Mar 01 04:21:40 http://handheld.softpedia.com/get/Games/Action/Doom-for-Java-22864.shtml Mar 01 04:23:47 strange, i selected 3,5,7 zoom level and the map size is 12 megs Mar 01 04:24:13 don't forget to configure every map provider Mar 01 04:24:18 they don't share options Mar 01 04:24:19 :) Mar 01 04:24:44 what if i just want google streets Mar 01 04:24:55 then configure google streets Mar 01 04:25:12 plays nice too - no buttons for turning tho Mar 01 04:25:26 for turning? Mar 01 04:25:36 rotating Mar 01 04:25:40 spinning Mar 01 04:25:43 oh Mar 01 04:25:55 do any of them have that? Mar 01 04:25:57 talking about doom Mar 01 04:26:02 pj Mar 01 04:26:03 oh Mar 01 04:26:19 KotCzarny, how big was your map data? Mar 01 04:26:48 Nokia-N800-51-3:/media/mmc2/Maps# du -sh Mar 01 04:26:48 501.6M . Mar 01 04:26:49 :) Mar 01 04:26:51 im still trying to figure out why it sso small. people have told me its around 1 gig Mar 01 04:27:17 is that assuming you get all zoom levels or something? Mar 01 04:27:17 go to zoom level 16 and download levels 4-16 Mar 01 04:27:17 ;) Mar 01 04:27:39 4.18megs Mar 01 04:27:44 confirm download of 696 maps Mar 01 04:27:52 4-16 zoom level selected Mar 01 04:28:00 im under the manage map option for google street Mar 01 04:28:01 enable downloading levels 1-20 Mar 01 04:28:06 when go for 1-16 Mar 01 04:28:08 *grin* Mar 01 04:28:17 then Mar 01 04:28:26 confiorm download of 21k maps Mar 01 04:28:28 246 megs Mar 01 04:28:36 happy? Mar 01 04:28:40 exactly what region is this downloading? Mar 01 04:28:44 current Mar 01 04:28:48 oh. Mar 01 04:28:50 centered on your position Mar 01 04:28:57 that explains it Mar 01 04:28:59 move map if you want another Mar 01 04:29:04 how would i get like all of US? Mar 01 04:29:08 or if anything, california Mar 01 04:29:16 zoom out till you see region you want Mar 01 04:29:21 oh, ok Mar 01 04:29:35 and command it to download all the zoom levels Mar 01 04:29:38 you know, I bought my N800 after seeing so many people using it at linuxfest northwest last year Mar 01 04:29:55 * KotCzarny bought it after seeing it for 150$ on craigslist Mar 01 04:29:57 :) Mar 01 04:30:17 I figured it was going to be a good thing, with so many linux people using it Mar 01 04:30:26 holy shit Mar 01 04:30:27 12 gigs Mar 01 04:30:27 haha Mar 01 04:30:33 clin: happy now? Mar 01 04:30:35 :) Mar 01 04:30:37 fuck no :P Mar 01 04:30:40 desertc: and it was? Mar 01 04:30:45 one tip: select even levels only Mar 01 04:30:50 got way more than I ever thought this was going to do Mar 01 04:30:52 whats the reason? Mar 01 04:31:02 i actually selected 3,5,7,16 Mar 01 04:31:08 should i do 2,4,6,14? Mar 01 04:31:14 without 2 Mar 01 04:31:20 i guess 4 is enough Mar 01 04:31:35 lets see what 4 is again Mar 01 04:31:37 vs 2 Mar 01 04:31:43 shackan: with os2008 - I am overjoyed -- this is starting to cross the line of 'too good to be true' Mar 01 04:32:01 oh, 4 is fine Mar 01 04:32:04 so 4,6,14? Mar 01 04:32:07 desertc: short battery life Mar 01 04:32:15 clin: whatever suits you Mar 01 04:32:24 make it 4,6,8,10,12,14 Mar 01 04:32:31 how is maemo mapper for a gps system anyways? Mar 01 04:32:36 shouldn't be much more than 4,6,14 Mar 01 04:32:39 does it talk? Mar 01 04:32:49 clin: yes, i guess Mar 01 04:32:56 look in the options/help Mar 01 04:33:04 you will have to install flit i think Mar 01 04:33:58 whats flit? Mar 01 04:34:14 i don't know, but docs say it's needed for speech synth Mar 01 04:34:23 oh Mar 01 04:34:24 ok Mar 01 04:34:58 sorry, 'flite' Mar 01 04:35:12 yea, i see it Mar 01 04:35:35 so - maemo mapper will connect with my cellphone, but my cellphone won't give up the GPS information Mar 01 04:35:37 so cheap! Mar 01 04:35:54 I know you have it! There must be ways of making you talk! Mar 01 04:36:27 :) Mar 01 04:36:44 there isnt a way to download this off my desktop and move it to the card is there? Mar 01 04:37:10 All cellphone have GPS tracked. It's such a shame they won't give that information to the user. Mar 01 04:37:42 clin: i don't know, but what's the problem? Mar 01 04:38:05 press ok and it stalls, then closes Mar 01 04:38:10 when downloading Mar 01 04:38:35 btw. have you changed map dir to sd card? Mar 01 04:38:37 :) Mar 01 04:38:54 on / you have only ~100mb Mar 01 04:38:56 i believe so, under repository right? Mar 01 04:39:03 gdata.db? Mar 01 04:39:20 yes Mar 01 04:39:29 oh, is it the file path under options? Mar 01 04:39:42 manage repositories -> cache db Mar 01 04:39:45 ok Mar 01 04:39:54 yea Mar 01 04:39:58 its on my mmc1 card Mar 01 04:40:14 ah Mar 01 04:40:21 download is in another place Mar 01 04:40:29 remove all you map reps Mar 01 04:40:36 then click download 'once' Mar 01 04:40:40 then configure it Mar 01 04:40:46 then close opts Mar 01 04:41:02 i did that Mar 01 04:41:37 Hi! Mar 01 04:41:38 then go to manage maps and select zoom levels Mar 01 04:41:49 and after ok it should start downloading Mar 01 04:41:58 I bought the N810 thinking it was a phone! Mar 01 04:42:20 xuser: it can be one Mar 01 04:42:28 if you buy wifi data plan Mar 01 04:42:29 KotCzarny, i found out why Mar 01 04:42:30 and use skype Mar 01 04:42:39 playing with maemo mapper makes me suddenly want a N810 really badly Mar 01 04:42:45 apparently 793845 MB != 793 mbs Mar 01 04:42:46 haha Mar 01 04:42:48 or just hack into some hotspot Mar 01 04:42:54 wow, california has a lot of data Mar 01 04:42:54 KotCzarny: i was hoping something of GSM/3G Mar 01 04:43:06 xuser: I use my N800 as a phone very often - so cheap Mar 01 04:43:20 I pay $10 every couple months for my calls Mar 01 04:43:26 xuser, no problem, connect via bluetooth Mar 01 04:43:34 jesus why is this so big Mar 01 04:43:37 then put the phone in the backpack Mar 01 04:43:45 clin: zoom in Mar 01 04:44:00 KotCzarny: yeah, looks like i have to carry to devices now. Mar 01 04:44:09 s/to/two Mar 01 04:44:09 I put my phone and tablet in my pant pocket together - I tell people I carry the Internet in my pocket Mar 01 04:44:47 forget it Mar 01 04:44:47 people then look at me funny and move away quickly, but - hey - price of progress Mar 01 04:44:50 ill skip zoom lvl 4 Mar 01 04:44:55 clin: do it in steps, fe. zoom to 16, dl 16,14,12,10; zoom to 10, dl 10,8,6,4 Mar 01 04:44:56 desertc: heh Mar 01 04:44:57 i dont need to see license plates Mar 01 04:45:21 xuser - I make VoIP calls over my cell phone's internet connection Mar 01 04:45:53 which cell provider? Mar 01 04:45:57 desertc: http://www.techamok.com/?pid=4124 Mar 01 04:46:06 under the manage repository, what does download/view zoom steps mean Mar 01 04:46:20 clin: read help Mar 01 04:46:22 :) Mar 01 04:46:24 oh, and please look into SIP calls - try and get away from proprietary Skype protocol Mar 01 04:46:31 ok Mar 01 04:46:51 desertc: yeah, I understand what you say, but imagin a N810 with GSM integrated, would be awesome. Mar 01 04:47:28 xuser: gsm is rural, hotspots are the way of the future Mar 01 04:47:30 brb Mar 01 04:47:31 xuser: imagine public WiFi being everywhere - then we wouldn't have to pay the cell phone companies at all Mar 01 04:47:43 desertc: not true Mar 01 04:47:49 it would be true with mesh network Mar 01 04:48:01 KotCzarny: well - you would pay the cell phone companies, and we would laugh Mar 01 04:48:06 ;-) Mar 01 04:48:08 Wired has a good article on hotspots.. has a map of all free munipal wifi cities Mar 01 04:48:14 anyway its better than carrying my laptop everywhere. Mar 01 04:48:22 xuser: HELL YES Mar 01 04:48:23 yeah Mar 01 04:48:44 could use more battery life though Mar 01 04:48:50 I gave up my laptop and use my N800 happily smirking at people pulling 8 lbs laptops out of their bag Mar 01 04:48:55 i wouldn't mind 1-2cm Mar 01 04:48:56 :) Mar 01 04:49:05 KotCzarny: mine runs for 2-3 days on one charge, you? Mar 01 04:49:15 4-7h Mar 01 04:49:16 :) Mar 01 04:49:22 but i use it all the time Mar 01 04:49:25 (wifi on) Mar 01 04:49:28 how do I become root? Mar 01 04:49:35 my wifi is on all the time, too Mar 01 04:49:39 xuser: install ssh and login into it Mar 01 04:50:00 KotCzarny: I installed ssh but only the client part :/ Mar 01 04:50:13 then add server part too Mar 01 04:50:14 :) Mar 01 04:50:15 even when the screen is off, I can SSH into the device Mar 01 04:50:32 desertc: i test apps on it Mar 01 04:50:41 so screen is on most of the time Mar 01 04:50:47 oh, gotcha! Mar 01 04:50:53 how do I see which IP is using, i can't 'ifconfig' Mar 01 04:50:55 also i have 2 cards Mar 01 04:51:12 xuser: there should be a info Mar 01 04:51:29 yeah, I just browse the web 3 or 4 times a day, and make 1 voip call on it each day. I get 2-3 days out of it Mar 01 04:51:35 *out of a charge Mar 01 04:52:01 but when I listen to audio or watch youtube, the battery does drain very fast Mar 01 04:52:12 KotCzarny: yeah, found it. Mar 01 04:52:31 maybe you need a hand crank, ala one laptop per child ;) Mar 01 04:52:33 also, do /sbin/ifconfig Mar 01 04:52:34 just getting the hang of it :) Mar 01 04:52:57 desertc: maybe, solar/thermal panels would be cooler Mar 01 04:52:59 :) Mar 01 04:53:06 hehe Mar 01 04:53:20 well - I just came in the sing the praises of OS2008 Mar 01 04:54:10 * desertc departs while a choir of angles sing in a halo of light of the OS2008 GUI screen. Mar 01 04:55:20 he's in love whith the tablet Mar 01 04:57:28 just wait until he gets an AppleTV Mar 01 05:00:09 >_> Mar 01 05:02:11 <^Jsn^> Hey does anyone else have problems viewing certain pages on the n810? I am on the maemo download page, and I have a page for a certain download pulled up on my laptop, then i pulled it up on my IT and it only shows half of the page on my n810. I'm wondering if i have the settings wrong for the web browser? Mar 01 05:02:34 half of the page? Mar 01 05:02:52 <^Jsn^> yeah the top half Mar 01 05:03:14 <^Jsn^> i've realoaded it a few times and have changed the zoom to 80% but it still doesn't show the whole page Mar 01 05:03:22 <^Jsn^> reloaded Mar 01 05:03:27 bad css/html ? Mar 01 05:03:29 :) Mar 01 05:04:13 <^Jsn^> could be Mar 01 05:04:43 <^Jsn^> do you know if there is a way to add tabbed browsing to the browser on the n810? I could have swarn that i read in one of the reviews that it has tabbed browsing Mar 01 05:05:00 vncviewer.. Mar 01 05:05:01 :) Mar 01 05:05:14 <^Jsn^> lol Mar 01 05:05:33 <^Jsn^> nothing within the tablet? Mar 01 05:05:39 <^Jsn^> maybe a plugin or somethin? Mar 01 05:05:41 or just wait till someone hack firefox into it Mar 01 05:05:48 hacks Mar 01 05:05:59 <^Jsn^> the included browser is a mozilla browser Mar 01 05:06:04 yes Mar 01 05:06:08 but only a gecko Mar 01 05:06:18 ie. renderer but not gui Mar 01 05:07:39 <^Jsn^> oh Mar 01 05:07:49 <^Jsn^> does vncviewer work better than rdesktop? Mar 01 05:08:02 rdesktop is for win/m$ Mar 01 05:08:24 <^Jsn^> no i have the client for maemo Mar 01 05:08:24 f*ck. Mar 01 05:08:37 my stylus fell inside heating appliance Mar 01 05:08:48 <^Jsn^> damn that's gotta suck Mar 01 05:11:40 that's gotta melt Mar 01 05:12:53 what kinda heating appliance? Mar 01 05:13:09 i can't see it :/ Mar 01 05:13:14 f*ck. Mar 01 05:15:03 ^Jsn^ vncviewer only sees vnc servers proper, the MS remote desktop is proprietary Mar 01 05:15:49 actually, IIRC they plugged citrix into a MS logo and called it go, or I could be wrong, stopped caring long ago Mar 01 05:15:56 go/good Mar 01 05:16:43 you can turn up a vnc server on winbox if needed, that's what i do Mar 01 05:17:00 yeah. tightvnc Mar 01 05:17:01 :) Mar 01 05:17:12 damn stylus. Mar 01 05:17:24 whaqt i and my family uses (i make em if they want support ;) Mar 01 05:18:05 and on the upside, they all now know how to poke holes in the router when needed Mar 01 05:18:17 ssh -R Mar 01 05:18:18 ;) Mar 01 05:18:54 KotCzarny: you get it out? Mar 01 05:19:00 i can't locate it Mar 01 05:19:08 can you pick up the appliance? Mar 01 05:19:21 nope Mar 01 05:19:26 what is it? Mar 01 05:19:41 kind of pipes that run across the wall Mar 01 05:19:52 radiant hot water? Mar 01 05:19:56 and some casing Mar 01 05:19:59 probably Mar 01 05:20:41 dismantle, retrieve, reassemble Mar 01 05:20:49 impossible Mar 01 05:20:58 it's old and rusty Mar 01 05:21:28 if it's hot water and it's just a local loop and fin-tube radiator, you can do little harm pulling off the cover Mar 01 05:21:39 oh, i see. cast iron? Mar 01 05:22:57 if it's a standup cast iron job (like This Old House) with a sheetmetal box over it, yank off the box, you won't hurt the radiator unless there is some thermostat (modern) thingy been added to it Mar 01 05:23:56 i can make a photo, but believe me, i can't get inside without damaging it Mar 01 05:24:11 KotCzarny: you're not in the US then, eh? Mar 01 05:24:24 i am Mar 01 05:24:52 hrmmm. you in a house/apt/dorm/what? Mar 01 05:25:01 apt Mar 01 05:25:32 describew the unit (I actually am in the HVAC business) Mar 01 05:25:47 like i said, pipes across the wall Mar 01 05:25:58 wnad some housing Mar 01 05:26:02 and Mar 01 05:26:13 at the floor? Mar 01 05:26:16 yes Mar 01 05:26:45 aluminum or steel fin tube surrounding pipe? Mar 01 05:27:02 don't know Mar 01 05:27:04 it's dirty Mar 01 05:27:27 is it covered in an old dried cloth tape that's been painted a zillion times? Mar 01 05:27:50 huh? Mar 01 05:27:55 'dried cloth' ? Mar 01 05:28:08 are the pipes wrapped with mummified insulation? Mar 01 05:28:15 nope Mar 01 05:28:18 fins Mar 01 05:28:36 and some stuff, maybe azbestos Mar 01 05:28:38 *grin& Mar 01 05:28:39 ok, that's good. what idescribed is old school asbestos insulation, which is very bad Mar 01 05:29:05 Soooo.. if you have KDE running, is there no on screen keyboard? Mar 01 05:29:18 i can't type fast enough, if you have construction from before 1978, it could be Mar 01 05:29:28 probably Mar 01 05:29:34 it's dirty enough to be that old Mar 01 05:29:55 if you think it's asbestos insulation, leave it the f*ck alone, that's the WORST kind Mar 01 05:30:55 that particular application of asbestos (old hot water pipes) is the kind that breaks up into fine dust very easily, baaaad stuff Mar 01 05:31:26 sucvked down more than i want to remember as a kid in the 70's helping out the old man Mar 01 05:31:54 Anyone? Mar 01 05:32:03 my stylus.. gone.. Mar 01 05:32:08 when using maemo mapper, if the region i start heading into has no data for that zoom level, does it automatically zoom out? Mar 01 05:32:25 haven't gone the KDE route, can't help Mar 01 05:33:27 cLine: not in my exp Mar 01 05:33:35 so what happens exactly? Mar 01 05:33:37 it goes black? Mar 01 05:33:52 ol_schoola: http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/tmp/p3014051.jpg Mar 01 05:34:20 Goes to white for me, but this is several versions ago, i haven't used my gps since new year's Mar 01 05:35:55 <^Jsn^> i'm having a problem installing a package on my n810. I'm trying to install gdata-python runtime files. I went to http://gronmayer.com/it/index.php and searched for it. It came up with the maemo extra's repository. I have already enabled the extras repository in the applications manager so i went and refreshed the applications list. When i search the installable apps for python all i get is "python2.5-edje-demo" Mar 01 05:35:56 KotCzarny: leave that thing alone. that's a fan coil. you don't want to tangle with that. it will be a lot cheaper to whittle a new one Mar 01 05:35:58 <^Jsn^> any ideas? Mar 01 05:36:07 I wonder if there's a maemo version of nethack. Mar 01 05:36:26 my stylus :/ Mar 01 05:36:33 godzirra: compile one yourself Mar 01 05:37:08 but unless you have n810 or bt keyboard that would suck Mar 01 05:37:14 (playing) Mar 01 05:37:27 i kinda share your pain. sadly, i need to source a screen for my 17" mbp, i broke it Mar 01 05:38:03 and it was stupid way to lose it Mar 01 05:38:13 i was wiping my desk Mar 01 05:38:13 <^Jsn^> anyone? Mar 01 05:38:16 Yeah, I can't imagine it would be very good to play with an on screen keyboard. Mar 01 05:38:43 And while I could talk my boss into buying me an n800, I couldnt swing an 810 Mar 01 05:38:49 heh, i was wiping my feet (when me and the lappy came crashing down) Mar 01 05:39:25 jsn: don't know, wrong repo? Mar 01 05:39:57 <^Jsn^> does anyone know of another repository for gdata-python? Mar 01 05:40:05 jsn: 1st your nick is difficult to parse with a ^ in it and... Mar 01 05:40:31 ...second, you could try plugging the repo URL into your browser and rooting around a bit. Mar 01 05:40:48 is there anyway to edit the booksmarks on my desktop and move it onto the n800? Mar 01 05:41:01 while gronmayer is useful, it isn't entirely up to date Mar 01 05:41:04 yes Mar 01 05:41:32 lol Mar 01 05:41:59 clin: install ssh-server Mar 01 05:42:03 ok Mar 01 05:42:06 you're in a fine mood KotCzarny Mar 01 05:42:07 then use scp Mar 01 05:42:18 I got an email from xbox live: "HD DVD Player, now only 49.99!*" The asterisk says "Note: Production has been discontinued. Available HD-DVD content will be limited and subjected to studio availability" Mar 01 05:42:24 How the mighty have fallen Mar 01 05:42:39 sad Mar 01 05:42:49 they will boost sales Mar 01 05:42:53 with that price Mar 01 05:43:01 then it will be back Mar 01 05:43:05 :) Mar 01 05:43:11 yes, and then say that the sales for xbox acessory have increased lol Mar 01 05:43:21 but seriously Mar 01 05:43:31 it would need hd-dvd-r Mar 01 05:43:38 to catch the audience Mar 01 05:43:42 (for 50$) Mar 01 05:44:04 i'm sure they (Toshiba) will find another use for the tech. there's a lot of Sony Beta ENG gear out there today Mar 01 05:44:29 No it won't. Mar 01 05:44:42 It will continue to fail because studios are refusing to adopt it. Mar 01 05:45:03 the distribution format might, the technology is still very useful Mar 01 05:45:04 also, do i need ot install screen? it says -sh screen: not found Mar 01 05:45:08 i want to use irssi for irc Mar 01 05:45:21 True. Mar 01 05:45:26 we do cd/dvd manufacturing and blu-ray sucks. You *have* to use their copy protection and pay 2.5k for the privilege, even though it's already broken Mar 01 05:45:27 well, the distibution format DID fail, i should correct myself Mar 01 05:45:27 clin: sure Mar 01 05:45:38 * godzirra nods. Mar 01 05:46:02 where can one buy n800 stylus? Mar 01 05:46:04 2.5k isn't that bad for a license agreement to manufacture blu ray. Mar 01 05:46:06 doc|home: the only people that win are the founders of the consortiums. even the studios have to pay ;) Mar 01 05:46:10 is it n770/n810 compatible? Mar 01 05:46:17 KotCzarny: where are you located? and no, they're different Mar 01 05:46:21 nyc Mar 01 05:46:37 sure? as in i need to? do i find that on maemo.org/downloads? Mar 01 05:46:56 KotCzarny: I can't find a place in north america that sells them, if you find a place please let me know :/ Mar 01 05:47:04 KotCzarny: Well, last time i checked, they were in stock at Nokias european web shop. Where you live, and where you can get them from, i don't know. Mar 01 05:47:10 according to the itt forums Mar 01 05:47:13 godzirra: that's punch out the discs, the manufacturers pay 10's of thousands Mar 01 05:47:19 ol_schoola: ouch. Mar 01 05:47:21 tat's to puch Mar 01 05:47:25 ol_schoola: ok, that is a little silly. Mar 01 05:47:32 i can ask friend in poland to boy them for me Mar 01 05:47:45 KotCzarny: that was cut and paste frmo the forums. I personally have no clue :) Mar 01 05:47:53 huh Mar 01 05:48:05 well Mar 01 05:48:06 it's a freaking joke, but it's what's kept a portion of the entertainment economy aflot for decades now Mar 01 05:48:12 i guess it will be generic then Mar 01 05:48:13 Hmm.. that was also 2007. Mar 01 05:48:35 I tried on the Irish nokia site (I'm irish but living in canada) and they don't seem to be available, I'm considering finding a place that will make them and getting a batch of clones made if it's not too expensive Mar 01 05:49:08 generic would be cheaper i think Mar 01 05:49:11 Post on the internettabletalk forums. You'd probably find a few people willing to go in with you. Mar 01 05:49:18 oh Mar 01 05:49:21 KotCzarny: yeah, but you can't find generic ones either :/ Mar 01 05:49:24 stylus dilers Mar 01 05:49:25 :) Mar 01 05:49:27 or at least I couldn't Mar 01 05:49:38 doc: generic-pda stylus Mar 01 05:49:51 KotCzarny: yeah, but they won't slot into the back, which is something I'd really miss Mar 01 05:50:00 Wow. nokia has all sorts of useless crap on their site Mar 01 05:50:02 better than nothing Mar 01 05:50:03 but no stylus. Mar 01 05:50:17 KotCzarny: aye Mar 01 05:50:20 godzirra: yep Mar 01 05:53:30 hi everyone, i've got a problem with my n810: i have no sound during calls (either gtalk calls or gizmo) Mar 01 05:53:58 i have normal sound, like music and everything Mar 01 05:54:32 and i have sound during dialing (ring ring sound) Mar 01 05:55:06 but as soon as the call starts, i have no sound anymore Mar 01 05:55:37 neither me nor my correspondant hears anything Mar 01 05:55:48 can someone help me ? Mar 01 05:56:29 anoter maemo mapper question. with no internet anywhere, how can i get routes? it seems it runs it throuhg a website to find the route Mar 01 05:57:39 cLin, maybe you can download routes in advance Mar 01 05:58:12 prepare your trip when you still have an internet connection Mar 01 05:58:16 well im thinking of on the spot Mar 01 05:58:23 like if im lost somewhere, i can pull this out Mar 01 05:58:31 so im guessing there'sno way to do it? Mar 01 05:58:51 i'd say no Mar 01 05:58:53 ok Mar 01 05:59:14 well i have my cruddy data plan but ifigure ill see if there's a non internet way first Mar 01 05:59:45 but i've never used it (i've read the documentation though) Mar 01 05:59:48 ok Mar 01 05:59:54 you dont use gps? Mar 01 06:00:18 i tried it once, with wayfinder Mar 01 06:00:53 <^Jsn^> does anyone know if there is a way to turn the backlight off when the n810 is turned off but plugged in? Even though the backlight is black it is still illuminated with the pluged-in icon on the screen Mar 01 06:01:08 i thought u had to pay for wayfinder Mar 01 06:01:31 jsn: display options? Mar 01 06:01:36 no, the maps are "free" Mar 01 06:01:45 <^Jsn^> no it's not in there Mar 01 06:01:49 You only have to pay for it if you want turn-by-turn directions Mar 01 06:01:52 Wow. KDE is kind of ugly on the n800. Mar 01 06:02:03 on n800 there is Mar 01 06:02:10 And I can't figure out how to get an on screen keyboard.. Hrm. Mar 01 06:02:26 display and leds -> display stays lit -> never Mar 01 06:02:28 So out of curiousity, what does everyone use their maemo device for? Its a very odd device. Mar 01 06:02:47 gps once ig et it working Mar 01 06:02:54 nobody for my sound problem? Mar 01 06:02:56 the playing videos part is nice Mar 01 06:02:58 godzirra, email/rss Mar 01 06:03:01 Get a bluetooth keyboard and use it as a computer godzirra Mar 01 06:03:10 godzirra: i will use it as a media player/irc/browser/ebook reader Mar 01 06:03:20 and skype calling to europe Mar 01 06:03:20 :) Mar 01 06:03:32 Navi, what rss reader do you use? Mar 01 06:03:38 built-in one Mar 01 06:03:49 actually, it'll be nice if i can somehow integrate my feeds from google reader into this Mar 01 06:04:00 but i dont want to enter in each feed Mar 01 06:04:16 Navi: I can't get it to check my company's gmail. :( Mar 01 06:04:31 Use modest Mar 01 06:04:37 I dunno why. Clawz never connects. What mail program do you use? Mar 01 06:04:45 modest Mar 01 06:04:51 whats modest? Mar 01 06:04:58 an email client Mar 01 06:05:11 for fuck's sake. Mar 01 06:05:18 heh Mar 01 06:05:30 Jesus Christ Mar 01 06:06:13 I wish I could get ereader on here. without it being palm emulated. Mar 01 06:06:20 anyone know if i use an email client with gmail and check my email, would it reflect as read on gmail server so when I login to gmail.com it won't show me emails i have read as unreader Mar 01 06:06:22 godzirra: fbreader Mar 01 06:06:27 fbreader Mar 01 06:06:32 fbreader Mar 01 06:06:33 It doesn't read ereader formatted books. Mar 01 06:06:34 1st! Mar 01 06:06:35 :) Mar 01 06:06:38 * cLin shakes fist Mar 01 06:06:47 godzirra: convert? Mar 01 06:06:55 Heh. DRM ftl. Mar 01 06:06:57 cLin, I haven't found any clients that do that. Mar 01 06:07:02 fsck drm Mar 01 06:07:08 Navi, figured. might as well ask Mar 01 06:07:10 download ebooks from p2p Mar 01 06:07:11 :) Mar 01 06:07:16 eVince would be better.. supports Djvu files in addition to pdf Mar 01 06:07:27 only one i know of is google mail for mobile :) Mar 01 06:07:31 wish they would make one for n800 Mar 01 06:07:33 I'm in the ebook industry. That'd be "bad form" Mar 01 06:07:46 hmm, as for google mail.. use browser? Mar 01 06:07:47 :) Mar 01 06:07:58 go ahead Mar 01 06:07:59 godzirra: drm is bad. Mar 01 06:08:11 The company I work for is pushing for more drm free ebooks. Mar 01 06:08:17 KotCzarny, yes, of course, but if its an email client, there's a better chance there's some sort of visual/audio notification Mar 01 06:08:26 unless they have google mail notifier for this Mar 01 06:08:32 still nobody for my sound problem? :-( Mar 01 06:08:35 google mail supports pop3/imap Mar 01 06:08:37 Navi: Where can I get modest? Mar 01 06:08:41 so any email client will do Mar 01 06:08:46 The modest repository. Mar 01 06:08:50 KotCzarny, i know but thats not my question Mar 01 06:08:59 and what it was? Mar 01 06:09:00 :) Mar 01 06:09:04 Thats helpful. ;) Mar 01 06:09:05 im saying if icheck my emails for today on the email client, would it show as read when i login to gmail.com Mar 01 06:09:16 The whole point of eBooks is drm. They want shrink wrap EULAs on books. Mar 01 06:09:33 clin: that depends on your email client's configuration Mar 01 06:09:40 unixSnob: Most publishers refuse to release books in ebook format without some sort of drm, unfortunately. Mar 01 06:09:41 you can set it up any way you like Mar 01 06:09:43 so it possible? Mar 01 06:09:54 i always thought it wasn't Mar 01 06:09:57 exactly Mar 01 06:10:08 clin: yes Mar 01 06:10:37 is it possible on the built in mail client? Mar 01 06:10:44 i don't know Mar 01 06:10:44 ...is the built in mail client even any good? Mar 01 06:10:47 ok Mar 01 06:10:49 i use yahoo Mar 01 06:10:49 :> Mar 01 06:10:52 The idea is that everyone switches to eBooks, signs EULAs that hard book reading consumers would never sign, and then phase out the hard book Mar 01 06:11:02 what option am i looking for Mar 01 06:11:17 'leave mail on server' Mar 01 06:11:27 and 'mark as read ..' Mar 01 06:11:32 unixSnob: nah, it'll never happen, there'll be an option to buy non-drm e-books, just like there'll be an option to download non-drm music Mar 01 06:11:45 There is an option now to buy non drm usic. Mar 01 06:11:56 DRM for books is entirely different Mar 01 06:12:05 godzirra: sure, at a greater cost Mar 01 06:12:13 amazon's not great either Mar 01 06:12:23 oh god, finally finished downloading maps Mar 01 06:12:35 * doc|home should add a disclaimer that he's working on such a system due to release in a matter of weeks :) Mar 01 06:12:36 You didn't sasy there wasn't a good option to buy drm music. You said there wasn't one :) Mar 01 06:12:39 if i leave on auto download, would it check for a data file first and download if none exist or does it go straight todownload map Mar 01 06:12:43 We've already seen that the motion picture industry is not following the music industry Mar 01 06:12:49 godzirra: hehe, fair point Mar 01 06:12:55 unixSnob: not yet Mar 01 06:13:04 unixSnob: their time will come too Mar 01 06:13:30 Hrm. Mar 01 06:13:33 that's what they want you to think Mar 01 06:13:45 So I went through all this truoble to install KDE on the n800, and it is kind of sucktastic. Mar 01 06:13:57 Motion picture industry not following the music industry? Mar 01 06:13:58 really? Mar 01 06:14:04 i was going to try out KDE Mar 01 06:14:07 Blu-ray discs are fucking DRMed Mar 01 06:14:08 heard it was slow though Mar 01 06:14:16 Well, for one, I can't find a way to bring up an onscreen keyboard. Mar 01 06:14:19 and it is hellaciously slow. Mar 01 06:14:27 There's an article in wired this month talking about it. Mar 01 06:14:55 unixSnob: how is the motion picture industry not following music? Mar 01 06:15:30 Navi: a drm which was broken... and by the way, have you looked at a torrent site recently? I'd expect it's hard to find a mainstream movie which isn't on piratebay or somesuch Mar 01 06:15:37 Blu-ray movies are DRMed, and it's not your standard DRM. It's got a public/private key system on top of that. Mar 01 06:15:47 Navi: one which has been broken Mar 01 06:15:47 i heard that the nokia n800 has a hardware limitation that it can really only process a movie file at 30fps if its around 400x240 (half the screen) but will start to bog down if its full (800x480). has anyone else heard this? Mar 01 06:16:08 dookdook: there are limits but there's a really nice conversion script Mar 01 06:16:17 i still have to read the article. that was just the abstract of it Mar 01 06:16:42 dookdook: look for tablet encode or tablet_encode on garage.maemo.org Mar 01 06:17:20 doc|home, thanks, but i'm not so interested in the scripts to lower the resolution to the movie files as i am about understand the limitation Mar 01 06:17:25 it's pretty good, only thing it didn't do was add indexing so you can skip through a movie Mar 01 06:17:39 i've played doom at full resolution, and it works fine...how is it accomplishing that? Mar 01 06:17:45 dookdook: hmm, not sure, but the proc is only a 400mhz and video is cpu intensive if it's not GPU accelerated Mar 01 06:17:47 (sorry, quake) Mar 01 06:17:59 heh Mar 01 06:18:35 dookdook, it doesn't matter if it's been broken. My point was that the film industry is following the music industry. Mar 01 06:18:42 it's talking about Apple's movies still being DRM'd.. they can only be watched on apple products Mar 01 06:18:51 navi, wha? Mar 01 06:19:13 well yeah. Mar 01 06:19:25 the only big thing apple has going over it vs. zune (besides size) is that their store is better. Mar 01 06:19:31 unixsnob: which ones? Mar 01 06:19:36 the article is basically saying the film industry needs to go drm-free, but so far no sign of it Mar 01 06:19:38 if you could watch itunes media on any other media player, apple would die. Mar 01 06:19:40 s/dook/doc|home/ Mar 01 06:19:40 Navi meant: doc|homedook, it doesn't matter if it's been broken. My point was that the film industry is following the music industry. Mar 01 06:19:42 doc|home, so you think quake is using the gpu and thats how it gets the speed that it does whereas things like mplayer or whatever use just the cpu? Mar 01 06:19:45 ffs Mar 01 06:19:54 article didn't specify which hardware Mar 01 06:20:01 dookdook, there's no hardware acceleration. Mar 01 06:20:13 navi, so how does quake run so fast? Mar 01 06:20:28 define 'fast' Mar 01 06:20:49 quake was designed to run on ancient hardware Mar 01 06:20:50 maybe i misjudged..30fps? Mar 01 06:21:03 we have a 400MHz ARM core to work with Mar 01 06:21:08 dookdook: no idea to be honest, but quake was designed back when 400mhz would have been a very fast processor. High res movies were only possible, well, actually, only about 8 years ago without hardware acceleration Mar 01 06:21:16 it's enough to run Quake at decent speeds Mar 01 06:21:29 mplayer can manage quite well Mar 01 06:21:36 ha, and amazon's and netflix versions of movie downloads can be watched on most devices, /except/ apple. Mar 01 06:21:47 yeah, the quality is more than good enough when transcoded Mar 01 06:22:27 I havent tried amazon's or netflix's download. Are they any good? Mar 01 06:22:32 dookdook, google around, you'll find that the reason video quality sucks is due to the bus from the CPU to the LCD controller Mar 01 06:22:41 and how do they keep people from just ripping them and posting them on the net? Mar 01 06:22:47 dookdook, otherwise, it would of been able to run videos fine Mar 01 06:23:07 "Hollywood is determined to protect DVD sales at the expense of electronic downloads" Mar 01 06:23:15 (from the article) Mar 01 06:23:26 meh Mar 01 06:23:30 navi, yeah, i think thats what i heard... Mar 01 06:23:51 but i'm still confused as to how quake gets around that limitation (if it does at all?) Mar 01 06:24:09 http://xkcd.com/129/ Mar 01 06:24:10 ;) Mar 01 06:24:11 None of the online download services offers anything close to the 90,000 available by mail. Mar 01 06:24:23 i'm sure they don't. Mar 01 06:24:48 5k avail on amazon, and 6k avail for instant netflix viewing Mar 01 06:25:00 Yeah. Not even close. Mar 01 06:25:36 1,000 on itunes Mar 01 06:26:01 dookdook, lower resolution Mar 01 06:26:14 well, it's being upscaled. Mar 01 06:27:14 <^Jsn^> has anyone installed gdata client yet? Mar 01 06:27:22 whats gdata? Mar 01 06:27:24 Richard Stallman has a good talk regarding eBooks Mar 01 06:27:37 <^Jsn^> google data. it allows you to sync gpe calender with google calender Mar 01 06:27:51 navi, i see, thanks. so how does that upscaling work exactly? you can't just write four of the same pixel to the framebuffer, right? how do they accomplish it? Mar 01 06:28:03 i bought into his conspiracy theory on the spot Mar 01 06:28:23 dookdook, pixel doubling Mar 01 06:29:28 navi, is it like an option that you set in the hardware somewhere, so that the hardware knows to cound whatever pixel your write as double? Mar 01 06:30:36 Navi: is there a way to tell it to leave the messages on the server? in Modest I mean? Mar 01 06:31:02 using pop3, tick the "leave messages on servers" box, wherever it may be in the settings Mar 01 06:32:31 if it was that easy I'd have foudn it already :) As long as there is one, I 'll find it though. Mar 01 06:32:59 ah found it Mar 01 06:34:13 Hrm. Not fetching my messages. But no errors. odd. Mar 01 06:35:10 how do i force an app to close Mar 01 06:35:15 kill Mar 01 06:35:18 or killall Mar 01 06:35:32 no gui or shortcut? Mar 01 06:35:37 yes Mar 01 06:35:40 use terminal Mar 01 06:35:45 and ps ax Mar 01 06:35:48 then kill Mar 01 06:37:10 Hrm. I guess you can't use pop over gmail for domains. Mar 01 06:37:11 :( Mar 01 06:45:37 <^Jsn^> what is the default root password for the n810? Mar 01 06:46:57 hmm Mar 01 06:46:59 interesting Mar 01 06:47:16 -vo null makes 720x448 video play smooth Mar 01 06:47:21 i mean -ao null Mar 01 06:47:36 -vo null makes it very smooth Mar 01 06:47:50 it uses the 0x0 pixel offscreen rendering trick? ;-) Mar 01 06:48:00 but seriously, -ao null made it smooth Mar 01 06:48:11 Opening audio decoder: [dspmp3] MP3 audio pass-through for Nokia 770/N800 (fake decoder) Mar 01 06:48:11 KotCzarny, how many fps? Mar 01 06:48:16 24fps Mar 01 06:48:30 VIDEO: [XVID] 720x448 12bpp 23.976 fps 571.9 kbps (69.8 kbyte/s) Mar 01 06:48:31 hmm. the dsp is used for video decoding as well I guess? Mar 01 06:48:36 nope Mar 01 06:48:39 audio decoding Mar 01 06:48:41 cool, I'll have to chex quest it out Mar 01 06:48:42 ah. hmm. Mar 01 06:48:44 but it fails at open Mar 01 06:48:54 Opening audio decoder: [dspmp3] MP3 audio pass-through for Nokia 770/N800 (fake decoder) Mar 01 06:49:04 ADecoder preinit failed :( Mar 01 06:49:16 and then it falls back to libmad Mar 01 06:49:32 I hate this computer Mar 01 06:49:50 it's been four hours and webkit's still not done Mar 01 06:53:34 night folks. Mar 01 07:06:23 erm. Mar 01 07:06:37 stopping media-launcher reboots the device Mar 01 07:06:37 :> Mar 01 07:07:25 yay Mar 01 07:07:27 \o/ Mar 01 07:10:51 KotCzarny, hei, you're right Mar 01 07:10:53 Navi, WebKit? What are you building? Mar 01 07:10:58 :> Mar 01 07:11:05 it's not that bad with -ao null Mar 01 07:11:17 leif__, just building webkit with --use-hildon Mar 01 07:11:18 also killing esd helps a little Mar 01 07:11:26 !!! Mar 01 07:11:56 pls report back, i've been waiting to hear about someone trying that Mar 01 07:12:10 I just want to mess around with the demo browser it comes with Mar 01 07:12:43 still framedrops a bit Mar 01 07:12:47 feeding mp3 stream to dsp would be nice :/ Mar 01 07:13:40 have you tried? Mar 01 07:14:05 googling Mar 01 07:14:20 -ao dsp :P Mar 01 07:14:51 <^Jsn^> what is the command to exit RD mode? Mar 01 07:14:55 er Mar 01 07:15:02 ^Jsn^, huh? Mar 01 07:15:05 I'm looking to the Moblin project, it seems to have some great feature ; I don't know it before Mar 01 07:16:01 <^Jsn^> you have to enter rd mode to get into root access of the n810. once your finished, how do you end the session so that you are sure that you are logged out of root mode Mar 01 07:16:17 -ao gst -ac dspmp3 Mar 01 07:16:27 mmk Mar 01 07:16:28 but it fails Mar 01 07:16:34 orly Mar 01 07:16:35 http://mplayer.garage.maemo.org/maemo-options.html Mar 01 07:17:29 but it runs at such a nice framerate :3 Mar 01 07:19:46 does anyone know the status of WebKit for EAL? It was available in collabora's git repo, but then it disappeared (without any explanation that I've been able to find) Mar 01 07:20:33 * Navi shrugs Mar 01 07:20:50 could of been gobbled up by the monster Mar 01 07:20:53 hmm Mar 01 07:21:03 maybe it fails because audio stream is aac Mar 01 07:21:19 or it isn't. Mar 01 07:21:24 nah Mar 01 07:21:29 my avi's mp3 Mar 01 07:21:40 it can't find the dspmp3 codec Mar 01 07:21:43 i wonder why it fails Mar 01 07:22:22 * Navi adds it to the list of things to build and install Mar 01 07:23:41 Heh Mar 01 07:23:50 the people of the past talked about it as well. Mar 01 07:24:01 http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/#maemo.2007-09-05.log.html Mar 01 07:25:36 ah, that's right Mar 01 07:25:42 I haven't installed libgst yet Mar 01 07:26:04 i did Mar 01 07:26:19 libgst0.10-dsp Mar 01 07:26:30 unless you are talking about something else Mar 01 07:27:17 I have it too, nevermind >_> Mar 01 07:27:21 do i neec to eject my sd card or can ijust take it out? Mar 01 07:27:38 in the tablet Mar 01 07:27:47 clin: it will probably eject when you open battery cover Mar 01 07:28:01 but i'm not sure Mar 01 07:28:07 i am using the one behind the stand Mar 01 07:28:12 what do you do then? Mar 01 07:28:24 you pull it out Mar 01 07:28:28 it doesn't eject :P Mar 01 07:28:33 i mean Mar 01 07:28:39 like how window has that "eject" command Mar 01 07:28:54 oh Mar 01 07:29:08 it complains if the card's is in use Mar 01 07:29:10 you don't have to worry about ejecting it Mar 01 07:29:16 ok Mar 01 07:29:21 time to test my video out Mar 01 07:32:57 how do i move apps into my selection folder Mar 01 07:33:45 control panel, under panels Mar 01 07:34:07 thank you Mar 01 07:34:42 oh, has anyone had experiences with anti glare protectors? i don't know whether toget those for the under the sun or to get a normal screen protector Mar 01 07:35:15 baxwave Mar 01 07:35:23 boxwave stuff is nice Mar 01 07:35:30 boxwave cleartouch anti-glare Mar 01 07:35:35 hard to apply though Mar 01 07:35:37 i know the brands, im more curious about the experience with the types of protectors Mar 01 07:35:48 i heard anti glare tends to blur the screen Mar 01 07:35:53 just a tad Mar 01 07:35:56 due to how it's made Mar 01 07:36:04 i wish i could test one out Mar 01 07:36:46 KotCzarny, I like how they used a sad face when the codec fails Mar 01 07:38:20 ooh, webkit's done Mar 01 07:38:25 * Fixed issue #1962 ('mp4(divx) playing VERY slowly with MPlayer 1.0rc1-maemo.24.n8x0') Mar 01 07:38:29 that's .25 Mar 01 07:39:15 * KotCzarny has .24 Mar 01 07:39:16 anyone use Nokia 770/800 video converter? Mar 01 07:39:26 .25 is in the testing extras, I believe Mar 01 07:39:31 it has an option for srts...do i add them or does it find it themselves? Mar 01 07:39:41 which repo? Mar 01 07:40:05 :/ Mar 01 07:40:09 Extras Testing Mar 01 07:41:28 if not, my bad. Mar 01 07:41:45 can't find it Mar 01 07:42:38 after I copy over webkit, I'll get back to fiddling with mplayer Mar 01 07:44:28 extras-devel Mar 01 07:44:40 it's in there? Mar 01 07:45:02 yes Mar 01 07:45:07 http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/chinook/free/m/mplayer/ Mar 01 07:45:31 sexy Mar 01 07:45:47 report back when you try it :) Mar 01 07:46:27 how do i upgrade with dpkg ? Mar 01 07:47:20 nvm Mar 01 07:48:14 looks slower Mar 01 07:48:26 haha Mar 01 07:48:27 for a moment Mar 01 07:48:45 but overall? Mar 01 07:48:54 same experience Mar 01 07:48:58 same benchmark Mar 01 07:49:00 mmk Mar 01 07:49:11 ie. not much than 0.1fps difference Mar 01 07:49:51 haha Mar 01 07:50:11 i wonder why gst isn't working Mar 01 07:51:14 Navi, did you try webkit yet? Mar 01 07:51:20 still copying Mar 01 07:52:45 wow Mar 01 07:52:49 ? Mar 01 07:52:52 .25 supports video position Mar 01 07:52:59 heh Mar 01 07:53:52 -lavdopts lowres=1 Mar 01 07:53:53 hehe Mar 01 07:53:54 ;) Mar 01 07:54:26 15->21fps Mar 01 07:54:27 ;) Mar 01 07:54:32 :) Mar 01 07:54:43 nearly usable Mar 01 07:54:48 *almost Mar 01 07:55:45 KotCzarny, where do you live? Mar 01 07:55:53 nyc atm Mar 01 07:56:05 but more like 'internet' Mar 01 07:56:06 Kind of late, ain't it :) Mar 01 07:56:39 There's this other guy in another channel whom I asked where he lived to badger him about staying up late Mar 01 07:56:43 he said NYC as well. Mar 01 07:57:03 is there some sort of battery monitor besides the built in one for the status bar? Mar 01 07:57:12 nah Mar 01 07:57:15 something that gives informtion other thwn1 hr Mar 01 07:57:17 then Mar 01 07:57:39 clin: cat /sys/something Mar 01 07:57:49 google for exact location Mar 01 07:57:50 nice :P Mar 01 07:58:36 ? Mar 01 08:00:18 wow Mar 01 08:00:27 killing esd ->23fps Mar 01 08:00:33 aaalmost Mar 01 08:00:34 :> Mar 01 08:00:58 but feeding it to dsp would be so effective :/ Mar 01 08:01:08 :) Mar 01 08:04:32 maemo-launcher eats 3% cpu Mar 01 08:04:39 wow, that was a bad idea. Mar 01 08:04:51 but i won't kill it again Mar 01 08:05:12 I accidentally copied the webkit folder instead of my /usr/local/ Mar 01 08:05:22 :) Mar 01 08:05:30 ran out of memory card space Mar 01 08:05:40 hey pupnik Mar 01 08:05:56 :) Mar 01 08:05:58 life Mar 01 08:06:24 cLin, see http://nitapps.com/ Mar 01 08:06:49 whats this? Mar 01 08:06:59 does it work for n800? Mar 01 08:07:24 if you have OS2008 .. propably Mar 01 08:07:33 there is a program there that says it will tell you how many percent full your battery is Mar 01 08:07:38 * leif__ has not tried it Mar 01 08:07:42 Dogma, you're not Dogma! Mar 01 08:08:19 is the bookmarks folder a file or something i can edit Mar 01 08:09:11 "Politics - like war - robs words of their meaning." - Lew Rockwell http://mises.org/media.aspx?action=showname&ID=275 Mar 01 08:09:38 sexy Mar 01 08:09:52 wireless-tools, nice Mar 01 08:10:01 * Navi wonders if any morons have packaged anything to /usr/local Mar 01 08:10:32 4.0M /usr/local Mar 01 08:10:33 cLin, bookmarks are stored at /home/user/.bookmarks/MyBookmarks.xml Mar 01 08:11:42 Navi, I symlink /usr/local/share to mmc vfat Mar 01 08:12:10 would be nice idea to mount mmc on /usr/local Mar 01 08:12:17 but ext3 etc Mar 01 08:13:14 KotCzarny: i like the idea too - but it needs consideration by gurus. It would be good to have a category of programs on MMC that might not always be there. Mar 01 08:13:36 I'm usually neat with my /usr/local crap Mar 01 08:13:39 So if you remove the mmc containing some things on /usr/local, the icons temporarily disappear from menus Mar 01 08:14:29 But there is a class of applications (i.e. games) that are space-intensive, and not necessarily programs users would want always-present Mar 01 08:14:33 /usr/local is for user alone Mar 01 08:14:39 packages shouldn't use it Mar 01 08:15:06 why is it owned by root then? Mar 01 08:15:18 because it's on / ? Mar 01 08:16:09 hmm Mar 01 08:16:13 "The Linux File System Standard (and therefore Debian GNU/Linux) requires that subdirectories under /usr/local/ be entirely under the user's discretion. Therefore, users can unpack `foreign' packages into this directory, and then manage their configuration, upgrade and removal individually." Mar 01 08:16:16 it's like asking why /usr/src is owned by root Mar 01 08:16:17 :) Mar 01 08:16:28 yeah Mar 01 08:16:50 /usr/local/ is usually unmanaged user crap Mar 01 08:18:10 if your system variables are set up right, and you're good about your /usr/local/, removing an mmc mounted as local would be pretty painless Mar 01 08:19:54 i installed the hildon-plankton theme in my installable packages but when i set the theme to plankton, it remains as the one i had before even though it says Plankton is the currentone Mar 01 08:19:57 what gives? Mar 01 08:20:12 maybe you had it already Mar 01 08:20:20 no Mar 01 08:20:21 but under different name Mar 01 08:20:29 it was right when i installed os2008 Mar 01 08:20:32 i wiped it clean Mar 01 08:21:43 where does scratchbox stick /usr? Mar 01 08:22:00 damn, .25 with -ao null IS smooth Mar 01 08:22:08 heh Mar 01 08:22:14 full framerate? Mar 01 08:22:16 yes Mar 01 08:22:21 sexy Mar 01 08:22:22 and is it better to put my sd card into the internal or external slot? Mar 01 08:22:23 at 720x448 Mar 01 08:22:48 and WITHOUT downscaling Mar 01 08:22:48 cLin, If you're going to be taking it out a lot, or only have one, external Mar 01 08:22:53 KotCzarny, nice Mar 01 08:23:15 damn esd :/ Mar 01 08:23:16 i read something with the tablet using additional memory from sd card internally. is it talking about ram? Mar 01 08:23:25 clin: swap Mar 01 08:23:57 found it Mar 01 08:23:58 maaaan, full fps Mar 01 08:24:06 even at fast scenes Mar 01 08:24:17 nice Mar 01 08:24:22 but no sound :/ Mar 01 08:24:32 Lol Mar 01 08:24:49 play some music in the background and pretend it's a montage Mar 01 08:24:54 ehehe Mar 01 08:26:10 damn Mar 01 08:26:27 playing sound -> framedropping hard Mar 01 08:26:35 sound off, smooth Mar 01 08:26:49 fuck Mar 01 08:26:52 yeah. Mar 01 08:27:34 the N800 won't read my SD Mar 01 08:27:39 I hate it when it does that Mar 01 08:27:42 :) Mar 01 08:27:47 spank it Mar 01 08:28:00 hmm Mar 01 08:28:07 that video looks crispy on n800 Mar 01 08:29:13 Ah, a restart always works :) Mar 01 08:29:15 what are you two watching :) Mar 01 08:29:23 Not porn Mar 01 08:29:35 hah Mar 01 08:33:54 * Navi waits for the slow arm core to finish extracting his tarball Mar 01 08:35:29 you extract you bars from tar using arm? Mar 01 08:35:31 o.O Mar 01 08:35:34 *your Mar 01 08:35:44 *balls Mar 01 08:38:20 :P Mar 01 08:38:34 * Navi should really set up an nfs Mar 01 08:38:43 nah, sshfs Mar 01 08:38:43 :> Mar 01 08:39:33 :P Mar 01 08:40:02 cLin, can you switch between the four built-in themes? Mar 01 08:40:09 yea Mar 01 08:40:21 actualyl let me double check Mar 01 08:40:35 :P Mar 01 08:40:56 hrm, strange.i cant Mar 01 08:41:18 perhaps a reboot would fix it? Mar 01 08:41:23 :> Mar 01 08:41:28 or if you've got a shell, killall -1 hildon-desktop Mar 01 08:41:59 http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/1204012983.html Mar 01 08:42:01 sexy Mar 01 08:42:39 let me try.. Mar 01 08:44:10 it restarted, sitll doesn't work Mar 01 08:44:14 wow, this is strange Mar 01 08:44:14 I hate that the maemo sdk takes over my sound system Mar 01 08:44:41 renice Mar 01 08:45:43 hmm, Hildon will be a part of the GNOME Mobile & Embeded project, great ! Mar 01 08:45:54 * KotCzarny shrugs Mar 01 08:53:03 cLin, that is very strange :/ Mar 01 08:56:41 How do I add /usr/local/lib to the lib path? Mar 01 08:56:43 I forgot >_> Mar 01 08:56:51 /etc/ld.so.conf Mar 01 08:56:55 and ldconfig Mar 01 08:57:15 ah Mar 01 08:57:18 right Mar 01 08:57:27 btw, the demo webkit browser is running Mar 01 08:58:50 leif__, it runs nicely. Mar 01 08:59:30 faster than microb? Mar 01 08:59:44 * Navi shrugs Mar 01 09:00:51 on a fresh startup, microb vs the demo browser, it's 22MB vs 17 MB, not a huge difference, 'specially if you include the fact that the demo browser lacks in features Mar 01 09:01:12 What's a good javascript intensive site to go to? Mar 01 09:01:19 I'll see how well it does there Mar 01 09:01:50 http://rendering.web.fc2.com/ Mar 01 09:03:30 ooh, web benchmarking Mar 01 09:03:44 works best if you save testpage to /tmp Mar 01 09:04:14 Hello. Mar 01 09:04:18 hi Mar 01 09:04:25 damn, it's _really_ late Mar 01 09:04:30 is it? Mar 01 09:04:34 define 'late' Mar 01 09:04:35 yes :P Mar 01 09:04:42 late as in it's almost morning for you Mar 01 09:04:55 does it matter? Mar 01 09:04:57 The ITs don't like those pages too much Mar 01 09:05:21 >_> Mar 01 09:05:28 :> Mar 01 09:05:35 72.577 for webkit Mar 01 09:05:37 Hm, I try to flash it like it is in the howto. Suitable USB device not found, waiting Mar 01 09:05:49 then I press power + home, and it turns on Mar 01 09:06:14 But it don't boot, it displays Nokia and the USB-emblem Mar 01 09:07:59 ... any ideas? Mar 01 09:08:23 76.48 for gecko Mar 01 09:08:26 minor difference Mar 01 09:08:34 5% Mar 01 09:08:35 :) Mar 01 09:08:36 kikka, it's not supposed to boot, it's supposed to flash Mar 01 09:08:47 only a few seconds worth Mar 01 09:09:00 still, better than nothing Mar 01 09:09:01 Navi: let me know if you find any bad cases, we haven't really started optimising for IT yet Mar 01 09:09:28 still early days :-) Mar 01 09:09:29 Navi: Okay, but it do nothing... Mar 01 09:09:31 Hey, I didn't know alp was in here too Mar 01 09:09:43 I must do something wrong. Mar 01 09:09:59 Hm, this is not the original-nokia-dke-cable... does it matters? Mar 01 09:10:08 :> Mar 01 09:10:34 you will burn in hell for that!!!!11!!1! Mar 01 09:10:35 ;) Mar 01 09:11:00 ... Okay, it doesn't matters... Mar 01 09:11:06 :> Mar 01 09:11:10 alp, well, it's promising if you can get comparable speeds using an unoptimized layout engine against one that is :D Mar 01 09:11:30 Than I'll try it not with power+home, but with the charger... Mar 01 09:11:35 Navi: i have a bunch of patches that make it fly, can't wait to start landing some of this Mar 01 09:11:51 Sweet. Mar 01 09:12:00 tabs Mar 01 09:12:02 the biggest win is the new compositing backing store, which is a decent win on the desktop but for some reason _really_ helps on the device Mar 01 09:12:03 extensions Mar 01 09:12:05 :> Mar 01 09:12:15 ^^ Mar 01 09:12:24 alp, is the EAL integration dead now? Mar 01 09:14:39 leif__: it went proprietary and i stopped working on it. i think it's better to build a tidy new interface around the engine (or port epiphany/midori) Mar 01 09:15:05 the problem with EAL is that it's another abstraction. as long as you sit behind an abstraction, you can't do really cool stuff Mar 01 09:15:35 Ew, why'd it go propretary? Mar 01 09:15:45 proprietary* Mar 01 09:15:45 money? Mar 01 09:15:47 :> Mar 01 09:16:33 ha Mar 01 09:16:37 I thought EAL sounded great when I first read about it, but I guess I can imagine how more layers of abstraction could be restrictive Mar 01 09:17:08 * leif__ is unsurprised to hear of more Nokia soft being less open than it initially appears Mar 01 09:17:23 i was excited about it then, but it's become clear that you can write a fairly full featured browser in a fraction of the code taken to abstract opera/mozilla/webkit into one API Mar 01 09:17:36 in terms of css, Demo-7346ms, MicroB-10000ms Mar 01 09:17:56 Hm, but, it could be really important to use the original cable. Mar 01 09:17:58 * Navi shrugs Mar 01 09:18:10 kikka: why? Mar 01 09:18:10 so i will concentrate on making sure webkit stays the best engine, but it's really up to the maemo community to figure out what to do on the browser front Mar 01 09:18:26 alp, yeah, that's the case with the layout engines nowadays Mar 01 09:18:38 integrate it into desktop Mar 01 09:18:39 as ie Mar 01 09:18:40 ;) Mar 01 09:18:59 but if someone comes up with a fantastic browser or apps, i'll definitely request a git/svn account and lend a hand :-) Mar 01 09:19:09 KotCzarny: Dunno. It doesn't work here. When I plug in the charger it's charge the n770... okay, well, the n770 should be fully charged, my fault.... Mar 01 09:19:18 anyone programmed dsp in n800? Mar 01 09:19:31 MicroB's clearly overtaken Opera on the browser front Mar 01 09:19:50 I can't wait for some webkit optimizations Mar 01 09:20:03 http://www.techamok.com/?pid=4149 Mar 01 09:20:13 ;) Mar 01 09:20:25 alp, would the demo browser Navi is using not be worth distributing a deb of currently? Mar 01 09:20:32 It's not. Mar 01 09:20:52 :P Mar 01 09:21:00 it's .. pretty basic Mar 01 09:21:16 more basic than pretty? Mar 01 09:21:17 :) Mar 01 09:21:19 all it does is forward/back and type in the address Mar 01 09:21:34 same with microb Mar 01 09:21:34 ;) Mar 01 09:21:38 Lol Mar 01 09:21:43 yeah, that is what i was about to say :) Mar 01 09:22:09 but really i know, microb does have a few features ;) Mar 01 09:22:16 :) Mar 01 09:22:17 I'll gladly upload the tarball of my /usr/local as well as the demo browser. Mar 01 09:22:41 But there's not much to see Mar 01 09:23:11 hey guys - are there any tools out there to benchmark the speed of my nokia's memory card? Mar 01 09:23:24 hdparm or dd Mar 01 09:23:29 kira_sama: hdparm -t /dev/mtdblk0 Mar 01 09:23:42 untar a tarbomb! Mar 01 09:23:46 those are awesome. Mar 01 09:23:53 cool - i'll give it ashot. Mar 01 09:23:56 thx Mar 01 09:24:34 What I'm more interested in is fast mplayer playback :3 Mar 01 09:24:56 how fast do you need it? Mar 01 09:25:00 * KotCzarny tries to learn how /dev/dsptask/mp3dec works Mar 01 09:25:09 full framerate no downscaling! Mar 01 09:25:16 that's how fast I want it. Mar 01 09:25:54 Navi, for what resolution? Mar 01 09:26:01 full Mar 01 09:26:03 :) Mar 01 09:26:07 * truls would assume no downscaling meant 800x480 Mar 01 09:26:08 You know the situation with the LCD controller right? Mar 01 09:26:14 18MB/s is all you get... Mar 01 09:26:21 Yes, I know. Mar 01 09:26:27 johnx: without sound 24fps is crispy Mar 01 09:27:47 johnx, can we do 800x480 12fps with vsync? Mar 01 09:28:11 Until you understand the custom programming that has gone into mplayer on the tablet, you can not expect to improve it Mar 01 09:28:12 or 18MB/s is not enough for that Mar 01 09:29:06 for the n770 video converter is there a size limit? i tried putting a 700 meg video file and it won't open it Mar 01 09:29:19 I am happy with lower fps as long as there is no tearing, it gives me headaches ;_; Mar 01 09:29:33 echo $[800*480*2*25/1024/1024] Mar 01 09:29:33 18 Mar 01 09:29:35 I can't stand the tearing while browsing. Mar 01 09:29:49 looks like 25fps @ full is possible Mar 01 09:39:36 KotCzarny, with -gst, no sound, but I get everything sexy smooth Mar 01 09:39:46 s/-gst/-ao gst/ Mar 01 09:39:46 Navi meant: KotCzarny, with -ao gst, no sound, but I get everything sexy smooth Mar 01 09:40:03 :) Mar 01 09:40:26 i guess gstreamer is b0rken on my os Mar 01 09:40:31 and yours too Mar 01 09:40:51 or not completely installed Mar 01 09:40:57 * Navi shrugs Mar 01 09:41:50 it's one of the benefits of watching dubbed animes, I guess ;) Mar 01 09:41:56 KotCzarny, 25fps @ 800x480 you mean? Mar 01 09:42:10 johnx: full screen playback Mar 01 09:42:18 I kind of doubt it Mar 01 09:42:44 maybe 20fps Mar 01 09:43:08 mplayer .25 plays fine Mar 01 09:43:56 just a standard .avi with mp4 video? Mar 01 09:44:03 yes Mar 01 09:44:07 without sound Mar 01 09:44:12 I guess I'll try it Mar 01 09:44:38 and that's with fast motion and without any framedrop set? Mar 01 09:44:52 mplayer -ao gst -ac dspmp3 = Wow, I didn't know video on the N800 could go that fast. Mar 01 09:45:12 navi: your gstreamer isn't working Mar 01 09:45:15 (mine too) Mar 01 09:45:18 so, no sound Mar 01 09:45:19 :) Mar 01 09:45:25 Yeah, well, it's still faster than -ao null Mar 01 09:45:29 hehe Mar 01 09:45:39 it used to work nicely in OS2007... Mar 01 09:45:58 * KotCzarny installs missing gstreamer packages Mar 01 09:46:04 how do you use it anyway? Mar 01 09:46:09 KotCzarny, tell me if you ever get it to work Mar 01 09:53:13 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2271 Mar 01 09:53:18 i don't know if it's related.. Mar 01 09:53:45 " Resolution: WONTFIX" Mar 01 09:54:13 pretty funny. Mar 01 09:56:29 gst-launch-0.10 filesrc location=/tmp/1.mp3 ! dspmp3sink Mar 01 09:56:31 works Mar 01 09:56:32 :) Mar 01 09:56:43 huh? Mar 01 09:56:50 decodes, plays Mar 01 09:56:56 mmk Mar 01 09:57:05 let's see if mplayer would work now Mar 01 10:01:11 Flashing is weird. Mar 01 10:01:37 eh? Mar 01 10:02:13 johnx: how to persuade mplayer to work nicely with gstreamer? Mar 01 10:02:40 in OS2008? I don't know if it doesn't work out of the box Mar 01 10:02:53 and in os2007? Mar 01 10:03:21 it just worked Mar 01 10:03:27 command line? Mar 01 10:03:34 mplayer foo.avi Mar 01 10:04:39 * johnx is gone... Mar 01 10:05:11 Requested audio codec family [mp3] (afm=mp3lib) not available. Mar 01 10:05:11 Enable it at compilation. Mar 01 10:05:12 humm Mar 01 10:05:24 ah, unrelated. Mar 01 10:06:25 :-/ Mar 01 10:06:39 WHy don't this crap work for me? Mar 01 10:08:45 wow. i crashed n800 Mar 01 10:08:53 with gst-launch Mar 01 10:08:54 :) Mar 01 10:09:34 hmm Mar 01 10:09:36 WOW Mar 01 10:09:59 video @ full, nosound; another term: gst-launch somemp3 Mar 01 10:10:02 no slowdown Mar 01 10:10:09 so it's possible! Mar 01 10:10:10 mplayer in os2008 no longer uses dsp for mp3 playback Mar 01 10:10:21 pupnik but why? Mar 01 10:10:41 because running the dsp drops the cpu down to 333mhz, according to ssvb Mar 01 10:10:59 but from what i see it plays ok Mar 01 10:11:04 no slowdown at all Mar 01 10:11:15 then perhaps the video playback wasn't cpu limited. Mar 01 10:11:19 trying to use esd as audio output slows it HEAVILY Mar 01 10:11:29 interesting Mar 01 10:11:42 can you share a 15 second clip? Mar 01 10:11:49 it's big.. Mar 01 10:11:58 but i can try Mar 01 10:11:59 ok nm Mar 01 10:12:10 is dd cut ok? Mar 01 10:12:11 i don't know enough to diagnose Mar 01 10:12:16 i'm just curious Mar 01 10:12:18 should be fine Mar 01 10:14:14 mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/1.avi Mar 01 10:14:18 Hmm, was under the impression that slow video could be explained by slow access to storage media? Mar 01 10:14:27 koshi: no Mar 01 10:14:45 well, partially true Mar 01 10:15:26 pupnik: test1: mplayer, esd as -ao (default) Mar 01 10:16:07 test2: mplayer -ao null, in another window: gst-launch-0.10 filesrc location=/tmp/1.mp3 ! dspmp3sink Mar 01 10:16:31 Well, was thinking that perhaps a slow sd card was used internally? But i dont have a class 6 sdhc one to try Mar 01 10:16:56 koshi: i have an impression that esd is the culprit.. Mar 01 10:17:20 and mp3dec (dsp sink) are a free cycles Mar 01 10:17:49 ty KotCzarny Mar 01 10:18:12 To be fair, i know little about different mpayer decoders/options :) Mar 01 10:18:36 koshi: n800 has a dual core cpu Mar 01 10:18:44 one core is dsp Mar 01 10:19:15 the arm11 is scaled down to 330MHz as soon as a dsptask is active, does anybody know why there is no operating point with full frequencies for both cores? Mar 01 10:19:23 when doing software decoding -> esd it uses core1 (cpu) Mar 01 10:19:38 pH5: power Mar 01 10:19:46 when doing cat > dsp (core2) you free core1 Mar 01 10:20:33 Yes they (ti) did claim to do dvd playback with it if i read the documentation correctly. Thats why limited sd card bandwidth was on my mind. Mar 01 10:20:34 hmm, but isn't it that 'full speed dsp, 330 cpu' or 'half speed dsp, 400 cpu' ? Mar 01 10:21:02 and for mp3 decoding half speed dsp is sufficient Mar 01 10:21:20 pupnik: just consumption or some current limitation? I'm wondering if I'd kill my device at 400MHz cpu / 220 MHz dsp Mar 01 10:22:05 Hi, I have problems installing inside scratchbox: Mar 01 10:22:31 after a clean installation (and adding the repositories) it downloads the i386 package list instead of armel Mar 01 10:22:37 (I'm using the SDK_ARM target) Mar 01 10:22:54 I fixed this by creating an apt.conf and forcing architecture to armel Mar 01 10:23:02 but now when installing dpkg has errors: Mar 01 10:23:07 Runs at an underclocked 330MHz on OS2007, due to the fact that the DSP speed will be halved if run at full speed Mar 01 10:23:10 (wikipedia) Mar 01 10:23:17 package architecture (armel) does not match system (i386) Mar 01 10:23:42 what could be the problem? Mar 01 10:24:58 cat /proc/cpuinfo Mar 01 10:24:58 Processor : ARMv6-compatible processor rev 2 (v6l) Mar 01 10:24:58 BogoMIPS : 160.68 Mar 01 10:24:59 lol Mar 01 10:25:11 ah, cpufreq, sorry Mar 01 10:26:40 quote: Mar 01 10:26:41 I also remember Igor talking about an unsupported rate with both DSP at full speed and the ARM at (or perhaps) above full speed. Was that a post on itt or the mailing list/irc? Mar 01 10:26:42 :> Mar 01 10:26:45 you're right KotCzarny in this example it's faster with dspmp3sink Mar 01 10:27:16 pupnik, then why, oh why, and who crippled mplayer and n800? Mar 01 10:27:37 perhaps there were a majority of examples in which it was faster to not use dsp Mar 01 10:27:59 s/were/was/ Mar 01 10:27:59 pupnik meant: perhaps there was a majority of examples in which it was faster to not use dsp Mar 01 10:28:06 they fixed a bug in .25 Mar 01 10:28:36 but it would be nice to bring mp3dec dsp back to mplayer Mar 01 10:28:40 it would rock :> Mar 01 10:29:04 mplayer -ao gst is broken? Mar 01 10:29:08 yes Mar 01 10:29:11 try for yourself Mar 01 10:29:42 at least on os2008 Mar 01 10:30:05 bizarre -ao gst is faster than -ao null Mar 01 10:30:12 :) Mar 01 10:30:27 because it can't open audio-out Mar 01 10:30:37 and doesn't bother with audio stream entirely Mar 01 10:30:38 i guess Mar 01 10:30:41 No, there's no explicit hw support for any audio codec, there are hw acceleration functions in the DSP that make decoding it easier (but then these functions are used by most/all audio codecs so it's nothing specific to mp3) Mar 01 10:30:45 must be! Mar 01 10:30:55 i get full 24 fps, apparently with -ao gst Mar 01 10:31:02 and dropouts with -ao null Mar 01 10:31:05 but read the log Mar 01 10:31:20 'decoder init failed, no audio' Mar 01 10:31:25 yes Mar 01 10:31:34 well this looks great Mar 01 10:31:40 now i have to transcode some high def Mar 01 10:32:04 :) Mar 01 10:32:10 esp something with widescreen Mar 01 10:32:13 bother maemo/mplayer people first Mar 01 10:32:30 i'll just compile mplayer with dsp support :P Mar 01 10:32:32 to bring gst back Mar 01 10:32:39 great :> Mar 01 10:32:54 report if it works Mar 01 10:32:57 and how well Mar 01 10:36:27 if it builds ok, i'll give it to you to test, i'm busy Mar 01 10:36:47 i can build it myself i think Mar 01 10:36:57 ok good Mar 01 10:37:08 unless i go to sleep Mar 01 10:39:33 hum Mar 01 10:39:39 where to get .25 source? Mar 01 10:40:40 svn checkout https://garage.maemo.org/svn/mplayer Mar 01 10:40:47 thx Mar 01 10:41:38 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12464 Mar 01 10:41:40 :) Mar 01 10:44:21 nice talk about cpu/dsp Mar 01 10:44:57 hmm Mar 01 10:45:12 that svn command sucks all branches? or what? Mar 01 10:46:02 http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2007-December/013555.html Mar 01 10:46:05 and this one Mar 01 10:46:26 oh maybe it should just grab 'trunk' Mar 01 10:46:44 sry Mar 01 10:47:00 you can see what a huge, monumental project it is... Mar 01 10:47:21 gbs are cheap nowadays Mar 01 10:47:22 :> Mar 01 10:51:03 , Mar 01 10:52:37 Shame on me. Mar 01 10:52:43 I updated it via windows xp Mar 01 10:52:48 ;) Mar 01 10:53:13 you have got what you deserved then Mar 01 10:53:54 yep. Mar 01 10:53:56 it would be nice to have 2 versions of mplayer Mar 01 10:54:04 one for maximum power Mar 01 10:54:12 other for maximum battery Mar 01 10:56:59 what did you use to transcode that intro KotCzarny Mar 01 10:57:05 nothing Mar 01 10:57:10 i cut it with dd Mar 01 10:57:15 from the movie Mar 01 10:57:21 straight from dvd? Mar 01 10:57:29 let me check it with mplayer Mar 01 10:58:08 Clip info: Mar 01 10:58:08 Software: VirtualDubMod 1.5.10.1 (build 2439/release) Mar 01 10:58:20 I just have no 800-wide sources Mar 01 10:58:59 need bigger chunk? Mar 01 10:59:10 download some from apple.com Mar 01 10:59:11 ;) Mar 01 10:59:13 no no - i do have something HD **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Mar 01 10:59:57 2008