**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Mar 01 10:59:57 2008 Mar 01 11:00:02 for the tablets i usually drop the audio down to 64kbit though Mar 01 11:00:33 full res does look sweet Mar 01 11:00:39 yes. Mar 01 11:00:42 crispy as hell Mar 01 11:00:45 ah it's 720 so it's scaling up Mar 01 11:00:56 turn off zooming Mar 01 11:01:14 but still good testcase Mar 01 11:01:20 what's the zoom cmd Mar 01 11:01:33 it's in /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf Mar 01 11:01:38 or -nozoom Mar 01 11:03:01 ok nozoom works Mar 01 11:03:19 strange it looks wider than 720 tho.. or are those really 40 pixels of black on the sides Mar 01 11:03:40 hmm Mar 01 11:03:44 isn't arm big endian? Mar 01 11:04:34 usually Mar 01 11:05:02 interesting that mplayer in sb guessed as little endian.. Mar 01 11:05:05 oh, well Mar 01 11:05:11 maybe it will work :) Mar 01 11:05:11 pupnik, KotCzarny: do you have a link to fanoush's 400/133 dsptask patch? Mar 01 11:05:25 I can only find the precompiled kernels. Mar 01 11:05:52 hmm, isn't it autoconfiguring? Mar 01 11:05:57 We're ARMEL. Mar 01 11:08:16 ph5: also, isn't os2008 already patched for 400mhz cpu? Mar 01 11:08:20 Resistance is ...e er Mar 01 11:08:40 you will be barrel shifted? Mar 01 11:09:12 something like that no doubt Mar 01 11:09:43 KotCzarny, fanoush's kernel will prefer 400/133 over 320/220, I believe. Mar 01 11:10:02 KotCzarny: I mean for the dsptask operating point. OP_0 is running at 400/133, but a running dsptask forces OP_1 on os2008, which is 330/220. Mar 01 11:10:12 So the DSP wont immediately force-- ^that Mar 01 11:10:25 I'd like to have a kernel where OP_1 can be switched between 400/133 and 330/220 from userspace. Mar 01 11:10:49 (or the dsptask policy can be switched between OP_0 and OP_1) Mar 01 11:11:28 still, it would be nice to have mplayer decoding streams with dsp Mar 01 11:12:08 KotCzarny: if that works at 400/133, it might be even worth it. ssvb tells us that a 330/220 it is not. Mar 01 11:12:29 from what i have seen it's beneficial Mar 01 11:12:42 pupnik can confirm Mar 01 11:12:43 :) Mar 01 11:13:21 in this one case it appears to make all the difference to use dsp Mar 01 11:13:25 do you have dspmp3 working with mplayer already? Mar 01 11:13:33 yes Mar 01 11:13:42 but not integrated Mar 01 11:13:48 care to post your patch? Mar 01 11:13:58 no patch Mar 01 11:14:02 just a testcase Mar 01 11:14:11 now I'm curious. how did you get it to work? Mar 01 11:14:18 ie. mplayer -ao null && gstreamer mp3 Mar 01 11:14:24 vs. mplayer -ao esd Mar 01 11:14:48 hm, but at -ao null mplayer doesn't synchronise video frame rate with the audio. Mar 01 11:14:54 sure you're running the video at full fps? Mar 01 11:15:00 yes, but it was only for testing Mar 01 11:15:14 if it will start framedropping Mar 01 11:15:25 but apparently it worked ok Mar 01 11:16:16 but doing: mplayer -ao null && mplayer -vo null -ao esd framedropped Mar 01 11:17:00 pupnik says mplayer ran happily with gstreamer mp3dec in os2007 Mar 01 11:18:40 @find flv Mar 01 11:19:13 people like that make me wish i had a botnet Mar 01 11:21:31 KotCzarny: great, that sounds promising. Mar 01 11:21:52 yes i guess Mar 01 11:21:57 if it was working in the past Mar 01 11:22:04 although it might just be the demux running twice or something like that. Mar 01 11:23:07 nice, n800 has aacdec in dsp too Mar 01 11:23:08 :> Mar 01 11:28:25 In addition, my hack which used dspmp3sink Mar 01 11:28:25 from MPlayer, now has problems with audio/video synchronization in OS2008. Mar 01 11:28:25 So looks like it is a good time to drop it. Using DSP for MP3 audio was a Mar 01 11:28:25 useful trick on Nokia 770 and OS2006, but right now everything is reversed Mar 01 11:28:26 for N800/N810 and OS2008. Mar 01 11:28:35 hum Mar 01 11:31:34 trying to make an 800x3?? film here Mar 01 11:32:05 that vid was 720x450 Mar 01 11:32:15 i think it's more thatn 800x3?? Mar 01 11:32:16 :) Mar 01 11:32:51 {standard input}:107: Error: selected processor does not support `smulbb fp,lr,r9' Mar 01 11:33:02 that's for compiling mplayer. Mar 01 11:33:03 huh Mar 01 11:42:01 KotCzarny: make deb-n8x0 Mar 01 11:42:12 oh Mar 01 11:42:23 Most things not playing smoothly at high res KotCzarny - requires some tweaking Mar 01 11:42:25 you need to tell debian/rules the device so it can decide whether to use armv5 or v6 optimization Mar 01 11:42:31 bn ul;j'j,' Mar 01 11:42:45 pupnik: but still it's a lot better than esd Mar 01 11:43:03 haven't tested with sound yet Mar 01 11:43:48 yuck, my lcd backlight just died Mar 01 11:43:58 all by itself? Mar 01 11:45:28 laptop, not n810. let's try a reboot. Mar 01 11:51:00 better Mar 01 11:55:18 compiling fun.. Mar 01 12:02:05 n810 cost ~1000$? Mar 01 12:02:06 o.O Mar 01 12:02:07 trying these atm Mar 01 12:02:09 -oac mp3lame -af volnorm -af channels=1 -oac mp3lame -lameopts lowpassfreq=10500:mode=3:vbr=0:br=64 -vf-add crop=680:240 -vf-add scale=800:266 -ovc xvid -xvidencopts bitrate=600:me_quality=6:vhq=4:lumi_mask:gmc -ofps 25 -force-avi-aspect Mar 01 12:02:16 oops at dupe Mar 01 12:02:41 that's mencoder? Mar 01 12:02:47 yeah Mar 01 12:03:06 oh and the aspect is 3.0 - bad paste Mar 01 12:03:47 but i'm getting lots of these errors Mar 01 12:03:53 2 bytes of audio data lost due to buffer overflow, len = 20482 42 0 42% Mar 01 12:05:20 no idea what to do about it Mar 01 12:05:25 btw for animation you can try Mar 01 12:05:28 -xvidencopts bitrate=400:vhq=4:lumi_mask:cartoon Mar 01 12:05:52 i also like to experiment with dark mask to throw away data in dark regions Mar 01 12:07:44 for e.g. i have a couple of stand up comic routines where i completely threw away all the dark background data Mar 01 12:08:02 got amazing compression :) Mar 01 12:08:46 deleting is unbeatable at compression ratios.. Mar 01 12:09:13 whats the most logical time on this device to switch from directly allocating and reading a file into memory and using memory mapped files? ie bytesize. or is it better to memmap all files? Mar 01 12:23:49 hola Mar 01 12:59:42 KotCzarny: i'm starting to suspect you might be right about this stuff. Mp3 playback is seriously compromising decoding speed Mar 01 13:00:01 :> Mar 01 13:00:14 bad news are coming from mplayer source Mar 01 13:00:27 something is broken when initializing gst Mar 01 13:00:43 #ifdef HAVE_MAEMO Mar 01 13:00:43 /* Only OS2006 and OS2007 are supported */ Mar 01 13:00:45 ;) Mar 01 13:01:06 yes Mar 01 13:01:34 btw what codec is a step down for cpu load Mar 01 13:01:43 ? Mar 01 13:01:45 right now i'm trying [ffodivx] vfm: ffmpeg (FFmpeg MPEG-4) Mar 01 13:02:01 video isn't a problem i guess Mar 01 13:02:04 since there are so many pixels we might get more usable results with a less expensive codec Mar 01 13:02:24 if you want speedup you can use downscaling.. Mar 01 13:02:27 yes it is, the cpu is pegged playing back 600kb/s ffodivx Mar 01 13:04:02 of course i could go down to 400x133 pixels Mar 01 13:05:09 -lavdopts lowres=1:fast Mar 01 13:05:14 add that option then Mar 01 13:05:15 :) Mar 01 13:08:23 good lord Mar 01 13:08:37 ;) Mar 01 13:08:50 it did cut mplayer down from 91 to 70% Mar 01 13:09:07 and resolution too Mar 01 13:09:43 Can somebody who actually uses Pidgin comment on whether it has a desktop applet? Mar 01 13:10:03 pidgin sucks Mar 01 13:10:03 Weird: my app manager prints "operation failed" when I update the app-list. Mar 01 13:10:23 No kidding. Mar 01 13:10:28 kikka: open terminal and check apt-something Mar 01 13:10:30 I'm just wondering if it has an applet. Mar 01 13:10:41 KotCzarny: Okay Mar 01 13:10:47 Last time I used it way before rtcomm was even on the radar it didn't. Mar 01 13:11:03 don't remember what to put instead of something Mar 01 13:11:13 see logs in app-manager for that Mar 01 13:12:34 KotCzarny: Hm, what is the standard root pw? Mar 01 13:12:42 don't know Mar 01 13:12:48 probably none Mar 01 13:12:59 hrrm, my 810 seems to like to crash and reboot Mar 01 13:13:10 when i installed ssh-server it asked me what to set it to Mar 01 13:13:20 jaska: reflash Mar 01 13:13:21 :> Mar 01 13:13:48 kot, well.. i havent installed anything weird yet Mar 01 13:13:55 rootme Mar 01 13:14:01 was just browsing and the screen goes weird, then reboots Mar 01 13:14:03 KotCzarny: apt-cache show vim works Mar 01 13:14:22 jaska_, have you installed anything recently or screwed around with something you shouldn't have? Mar 01 13:14:35 maybe mmc corruption? Mar 01 13:14:41 mmc? Mar 01 13:14:44 sd Mar 01 13:14:54 Possible. Mar 01 13:14:54 it's called mmc in maemo Mar 01 13:15:00 How can I fix that? Mar 01 13:15:01 It's an SD card. Mar 01 13:15:04 nothing special, just a local version of osso-xterm without the stupid scrollbar, but its under a different name... even packaged it Mar 01 13:15:10 Well, 770 is mmc. Mar 01 13:15:15 general: but mounts at /media/mmc* Mar 01 13:15:22 and scripts have mmc all over inside Mar 01 13:15:23 ;) Mar 01 13:15:25 It's a throwback to the 770. Mar 01 13:15:28 It's still an SD card. Mar 01 13:15:42 Mount points really don't have anything to do with the card itself. Mar 01 13:15:52 still, my facts hold true Mar 01 13:16:00 mine does have the oversized partition on the internal 2GB card tho Mar 01 13:16:02 What is the mmc corruption? Mar 01 13:16:25 kikka, apt downloads packages to the rs-mmc card Mar 01 13:16:38 so if the card is corrupted (and mounted ro), then it'll fail ungracefully. Mar 01 13:16:47 jaska_, format it asap. Mar 01 13:16:59 was oversized out of the box heh Mar 01 13:17:03 Yeah Mar 01 13:17:09 It was a bug they caught in preproduction Mar 01 13:17:18 . . . and failed to fix in shipping units. <_< Mar 01 13:17:47 heh Mar 01 13:17:59 need to backup the contents first.. Mar 01 13:19:16 KotCzarny: is there another audio codec for which mplayer will use the dsp Mar 01 13:19:29 i don't know Mar 01 13:19:31 probably not Mar 01 13:19:44 GeneralAntilles: Yeah, ... Mar 01 13:19:47 hmm how about we just try running the os2007 binary Mar 01 13:19:49 unless someone rewrites libmad for dsp Mar 01 13:19:58 pupnik, try it Mar 01 13:20:04 and let me know if it runs Mar 01 13:20:10 but it won't Mar 01 13:20:18 because of that check i have pasted earlier Mar 01 13:20:32 it checks for os2007 or os2006 Mar 01 13:20:42 oh Mar 01 13:21:00 i have disabled the check Mar 01 13:21:06 hmm, no fdisk in here.. Mar 01 13:21:07 and now looking why it coredumps Mar 01 13:21:15 jaska: copy from sb Mar 01 13:21:35 or wait, not Mar 01 13:21:45 it crashed with illegal instruction Mar 01 13:21:50 (fdisk) Mar 01 13:21:51 :) Mar 01 13:22:26 connect usb cable Mar 01 13:22:32 and run fdisk on pc Mar 01 13:23:34 efs2progs should give you fdisk. Mar 01 13:23:41 not true Mar 01 13:23:50 fsidk is in unix-utils Mar 01 13:23:51 afair Mar 01 13:26:09 util-linux Mar 01 13:26:31 It's not the mmc, I boot without it and it crashs again... Mar 01 13:26:44 then your / can be corrupted too Mar 01 13:26:46 :> Mar 01 13:27:03 ... cool Mar 01 13:27:09 reflashing? Mar 01 13:27:56 anyone using sb2 ? is there any way to execute af-sb... with sb2 ? Mar 01 13:28:08 i'm still overwhelmed by mencoder options Mar 01 13:28:20 * KotCzarny recompiles mplayer Mar 01 13:28:26 if resizing the mmc partition doesnt help guess ill reflash and reinstall my stuff Mar 01 13:28:28 with bigendiannes enabled Mar 01 13:28:32 havent touched the kernel yet etc tho :) Mar 01 13:28:41 Okay, I reflash it... Mar 01 13:29:16 (By consuming all memory root process can make the device so slow Mar 01 13:29:16 that HW watchdog reboots it.) Mar 01 13:29:18 :) Mar 01 13:30:00 biggest pig on mine is the browser Mar 01 13:30:13 kikka, you can try disabling watchdog Mar 01 13:33:57 ehh, now it crashed while i was restoring the backup to the resized and reformatted mmc Mar 01 13:37:47 wb t_s_o Mar 01 13:38:19 it probably had the mmc still mounted or something Mar 01 13:38:31 pupnik_ Mar 01 13:39:18 waah, crashed and rebooted again Mar 01 13:41:07 wow 'less' is taking 45% cpu Mar 01 13:41:24 less is more Mar 01 13:41:25 :) Mar 01 13:41:36 oh it's part of the mencoder process Mar 01 13:41:41 bizarre Mar 01 13:42:02 still compiling KotCzarny Mar 01 13:42:04 ? Mar 01 13:42:19 yes Mar 01 13:42:40 do you sometimes see a green line at the bottom of a video ? Mar 01 13:42:52 i don't know Mar 01 13:43:46 cat /proc/bootreason Mar 01 13:43:46 32wd_to Mar 01 13:43:57 hmmh, wd_to, watchdog timeout i guess Mar 01 13:48:48 it's going to take me like 30 tries to get one encode right Mar 01 13:49:26 pupnik_: what's your goal, anything more than generic encoding? Mar 01 13:50:02 see what my best results with 800 wide playback can be Mar 01 13:50:17 aha Mar 01 13:50:37 sorry, i should probably have read the backlog Mar 01 13:50:37 but right now all tests yield 2 bytes of audio data lost due to buffer overflow, len = 26.2% 152 0 34% errors Mar 01 13:50:52 maybe i'll try lavc instead of mp3lame Mar 01 13:52:02 yep it was mp3lame's fault Mar 01 14:00:13 dude KotCzarny this is a serious issue you found Mar 01 14:00:21 is it? Mar 01 14:00:31 it's hitting performance hugely on everything - every codec and res i try Mar 01 14:00:44 esd sucks. Mar 01 14:01:13 it may also be farking with the L1 cache Mar 01 14:02:28 640x480 plays very smoothly here with audio off. :\ Mar 01 14:02:38 general, no shit? Mar 01 14:02:39 ;) Mar 01 14:02:45 That's messed up. Mar 01 14:02:48 800x385 widescreen very nice too Mar 01 14:02:52 esd is messed up Mar 01 14:02:59 That's REALLY messed up. Mar 01 14:03:05 dsp can fetch data with dma Mar 01 14:03:21 leaving cpu for other things Mar 01 14:03:26 I've got a 2nd N800, somebody want to write a ad-hoc/BT playback sync application? Mar 01 14:03:45 One for audio, one for video. :D Mar 01 14:03:45 * KotCzarny is trying to get mplayer working with gst Mar 01 14:04:01 Seriously, this is ridunkculous. Mar 01 14:04:37 KotCzarny: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2007-December/013554.html Mar 01 14:04:45 What kind of mp3 decoding can the DSP handle at 133MHz? Mar 01 14:04:54 ssvb: yes, i saw that Mar 01 14:04:59 but Mar 01 14:05:04 consider two power schemes Mar 01 14:05:11 1/ power hungry playback Mar 01 14:05:17 2/ power saving mode Mar 01 14:05:32 sometimes you just want to watch the video Mar 01 14:06:26 ssvb, but the problem is Mar 01 14:06:43 that vid@cpu+aud@dsp runs SMOOTH Mar 01 14:06:50 vid+aud@cpu NOT Mar 01 14:07:10 even considering 330/220 in 1/ and 400/133 in 2/ Mar 01 14:07:29 KotCzarny: try '-ao sdl', esd has performance problems Mar 01 14:07:36 sdl uses esd Mar 01 14:07:39 for playback Mar 01 14:08:18 KotCzarny: '-vo sdl' is slower than '-vo esd' in mplayer Mar 01 14:08:31 ssvb: i don't touch -vo Mar 01 14:08:35 only -ao Mar 01 14:08:46 KotCzarny: oops, quite the opposite in fact Mar 01 14:09:10 but still, sdl uses esd for playback Mar 01 14:09:13 KotCzarny: here is a fixed version: '-ao sdl' is faster than '-ao esd' in mplayer :) Mar 01 14:09:25 sdl uses esd for playback. Mar 01 14:09:31 norning Mar 01 14:09:34 :3 Mar 01 14:09:39 Still awake? Mar 01 14:09:40 and if you don't believe me kill esd daemon and rename /usr/bin/esd Mar 01 14:10:23 KotCzarny: it does not matter, mplayer esd driver is what is at fault, how sdl is implemented is irrelevant Mar 01 14:10:50 ssvb: -ao sdl FRAMEDROPS Mar 01 14:11:14 ssvb is anyone looking into the sync problem with dspmp3 playback? Mar 01 14:11:18 -ao gst doesn't. Mar 01 14:11:35 KotCzarny: try running mplayer with -benchmark option and post the results Mar 01 14:11:46 ssvb, bah. Mar 01 14:11:51 ask pupnik Mar 01 14:12:11 KotCzarny: ssvb knows 10x more about this stuff than you and me put together Mar 01 14:12:12 or try for yourself Mar 01 14:12:26 pupnik, but you saw my testcase Mar 01 14:12:55 yes, performance dropped severely Mar 01 14:13:00 pupnik_: I think implementing audio driver over dsppcm task (bypassing gstreamer) is the right option Mar 01 14:13:43 ssvb: i agree Mar 01 14:13:48 still talking about this, eh? Mar 01 14:13:56 but getting gst is probably easier to get working Mar 01 14:14:00 pupnik_: I'll try benchmarking again in a few minutes Mar 01 14:14:12 because it's there only b0rken in os2008 Mar 01 14:14:35 Have you tried it with os2007? Mar 01 14:14:36 ssvb, high res playback on n810 is amazing :) Mar 01 14:14:37 KotCzarny: good luck, patch is very much welcome Mar 01 14:15:08 ssvb: yeah, as soon as my scratchbox compiles mplayer Mar 01 14:15:18 right now it thinks arm is little endian Mar 01 14:15:38 and when told otherwise it barfs at some irrelevant defines Mar 01 14:16:22 KotCzarny: here are some more details: https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1273&group_id=54&atid=269 Mar 01 14:16:43 KotCzarny: but ARM *is* little endian indeed Mar 01 14:17:26 KotCzarny: more precizely, ARM cpu supports both big and little endian mode, which is selected by operating system Mar 01 14:17:34 hmm Mar 01 14:17:43 how can i check? Mar 01 14:17:54 KotCzarny: maemo and most other ARM systems use little endian Mar 01 14:18:43 mplayer only using 71-74% cpu playing 800x385 mpeg-4 @600b/s video Mar 01 14:18:58 ssvb, still, the only way to have full size smooth playback is to send audio decoding to dsp Mar 01 14:19:10 xomap 10-17% Mar 01 14:19:20 KotCzarny: put some int value into memory (0x12345678), convert the pointer to (char *) and read one byte, depending on endianness you will either read 0x12 or 0x78 Mar 01 14:19:20 or just write video decoder using dsp core Mar 01 14:19:21 :> Mar 01 14:19:26 wait. mplayer can do full res playback now? Mar 01 14:19:42 michele: it could all the time Mar 01 14:19:58 not on my tablet Mar 01 14:20:34 Heh Mar 01 14:21:13 pupnik_: try -benchmark option, it will show the exact number of frames dropped, so the performance can be measured more or less scientifically Mar 01 14:22:18 ok Mar 01 14:22:46 Nokia-N800-51-3:/media/mmc2/Video# mplayer -benchmark -frames 200 -ao null 1.avi Mar 01 14:23:01 BENCHMARK%: VC: 69.4968% VO: 11.3117% A: 11.7174% Sys: 7.4740% = 100.0000% Mar 01 14:23:01 BENCHMARKn: disp: 216 (19.91 fps) drop: 34 (13%) total: 250 (23.05 fps) Mar 01 14:23:08 >_> Mar 01 14:23:14 Nokia-N800-51-3:/media/mmc2/Video# mplayer -benchmark -frames 200 1.avi Mar 01 14:23:19 BENCHMARKs: VC: 7.381s VO: 1.576s A: 0.000s Sys: 0.426s = 9.383s Mar 01 14:23:19 BENCHMARK%: VC: 78.6659% VO: 16.7921% A: 0.0000% Sys: 4.5420% = 100.0000% Mar 01 14:23:22 (no frame drops) Mar 01 14:23:26 Lol Mar 01 14:23:43 so decoding mp3 in cpu makes it bad Mar 01 14:24:09 in your second run you did not use -ao gst? Mar 01 14:24:25 KotCzarny: sure it does, but decoding in DSP makes it even worse (at least that was the result of my last test) Mar 01 14:24:28 in second it disabled audio decoding entirely Mar 01 14:24:32 ssvb: not true Mar 01 14:24:40 i will show you results Mar 01 14:24:46 when i find gstreamer line Mar 01 14:24:50 KotCzarny: I can be wrong of course Mar 01 14:26:11 ssvb - strange: i can play a mp3 file seperately with gst-launch and not get frame drops Mar 01 14:26:24 XD Mar 01 14:26:29 :D Mar 01 14:26:35 KotCzarby: btw, in your "no audio test" you will never get frame drops, you just get slow motion Mar 01 14:26:39 with -ao oss (no sound) i get no framedrops Mar 01 14:26:41 BENCHMARKs: VC: 168.679s VO: 67.750s A: 0.000s Sys: 16.753s = 253.182s Mar 01 14:26:41 BENCHMARK%: VC: 66.6234% VO: 26.7595% A: 0.0000% Sys: 6.6171% = 100.0000% Mar 01 14:26:50 VO: [xv] 600x385 => 800x385 Planar YV12 [fs] [zoom] Mar 01 14:26:58 i mean -ao gst Mar 01 14:27:06 ssvb: not true, decoding times are the same Mar 01 14:27:24 gst-launch filesrc location=/tmp/1.mp3 ! mp3dec Mar 01 14:27:31 what's wrong with this syntax? Mar 01 14:28:19 ach. sink Mar 01 14:28:57 KotCzarny: that's hardly possible, with -benchmark and no audio, video plays as fast as it can (for low resolution video you will get much higher framerate than realtime, for too heavy videos you will get lower framerate than realtime) Mar 01 14:29:27 KotCzarny: but no framedrops of course in either case Mar 01 14:29:31 Nokia-N800-51-3:/media/mmc2/Video# mplayer -benchmark -frames 200 1.avi Mar 01 14:29:37 + gst-launch-0.10 filesrc location=/tmp/1.mp3 ! dspmp3sink Mar 01 14:29:38 KotCzarny: Error: "gst-launch-0.10" is not a valid command. Mar 01 14:29:42 BENCHMARKs: VC: 9.009s VO: 2.167s A: 0.000s Sys: 0.597s = 11.774s Mar 01 14:29:42 BENCHMARK%: VC: 76.5199% VO: 18.4085% A: 0.0000% Sys: 5.0716% = 100.0000% Mar 01 14:30:21 KotCzarny: what versino do you have? Mar 01 14:30:23 mplayer -v Mar 01 14:30:24 MPlayer 1.0rc1-maemo.24.n8x0 Mar 01 14:30:26 .25 Mar 01 14:30:32 ah ok Mar 01 14:30:57 KotCzarny: you get 11.774s total time for 200 frames of 24fps video, it should decode in 8.33 seconds to play in realtime Mar 01 14:31:20 KotCzarny: that means, cpu is too slow for this video Mar 01 14:31:54 hum Mar 01 14:31:59 KotCzarny: what you see is just slow motion playback Mar 01 14:32:16 hard to tell with the computer animated logo :) Mar 01 14:32:25 let's see without -framedrop Mar 01 14:34:10 Nokia-N800-51-3:/media/mmc2/Video# mplayer -noframedrop -benchmark -frames 200 -ao sdl 1.avi Mar 01 14:34:12 BENCHMARKs: VC: 7.621s VO: 1.227s A: 1.440s Sys: 0.831s = 11.119s Mar 01 14:34:12 BENCHMARK%: VC: 68.5361% VO: 11.0353% A: 12.9517% Sys: 7.4770% = 100.0000% Mar 01 14:34:17 :) Mar 01 14:34:55 but there's a possibility that kernel locked at 400/133 would benefit from decoding in dsp Mar 01 14:35:17 pupnik_, KotCzarny: what do you think about something like this: http://en.pastebin.ca/924582 to select the DSP OP from userspace via /sys/power/op_dsp? Mar 01 14:35:52 KotCzarny: yes, there is such possibility (as was discussed in the mailing list) Mar 01 14:36:01 hah. Mar 01 14:36:03 we can't even select -ao gst optionally right now :( Mar 01 14:36:58 KotCzarny: your benchmark with '-ao sdl' just confirmed that ARM core at 400MHz can decode video+audio faster than ARM core at 330MHz can decode video only Mar 01 14:37:13 ssvb, but not much Mar 01 14:37:23 and aac would take more cpu juice than mp3 Mar 01 14:37:32 and dsp could decode aac too Mar 01 14:38:27 http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/playbacksolution1.jpg Mar 01 14:38:54 KotCzarny: but at least it also avoids weird gstreamer bugs with seeking ;-) Mar 01 14:38:56 GeneralAntilles, lol, I knew that was coming. Mar 01 14:39:15 ssvb: bugs, squash'em all Mar 01 14:39:17 ;) Mar 01 14:39:27 I need to get a ziptie. Mar 01 14:39:37 nah i'm going to ignore hi-res until omap3430 Mar 01 14:39:40 anyway, locking @400/133 would be nice Mar 01 14:39:59 right now i can't test that case Mar 01 14:41:19 fuck all of that, everyone should use -ao alsa :P Mar 01 14:41:31 that would be nice Mar 01 14:41:42 but it wouldn't use dsp for decoding Mar 01 14:41:55 and also would switch cpu to 330/220 Mar 01 14:42:09 No, alsa as it is >_> Mar 01 14:42:16 What's the most the DSP can handle at 133? Mar 01 14:42:30 with the stuttering sound and 1fps Mar 01 14:42:42 KotCzarny: the problem is that nobody would run at 400@133 unless Nokia releases firmware with support for this mode Mar 01 14:42:43 general, 486@66 can do mp3 Mar 01 14:42:55 Not a valid comparison. Mar 01 14:43:11 ssvb, I believe fanoush has a kernel that'll do that. Mar 01 14:43:28 Not ideal for most users, but I wouldn't mind it. :D Mar 01 14:43:33 KotCzarny: yes, extra 70MHz of ARM core are also more than enough for mp3 Mar 01 14:43:50 ssvb, only if you have spare cpu after video decoding Mar 01 14:43:51 :) Mar 01 14:44:01 sidenote, 2k08 fixed the CPU/DSP at what? Mar 01 14:44:10 Nothing Mar 01 14:44:15 400/133, but not fixed Mar 01 14:44:27 It jumps around between 165 and 400 Mar 01 14:44:29 if you use dsp it will switch to 330/220 i believe Mar 01 14:44:55 general: that's cpufreq Mar 01 14:45:07 k ok, im just curious, that if the OS may control the fsb and stuff like that, when will we have a virtual dual cpu from maemo? ;) Mar 01 14:45:21 hence GeneralAnt's beatiful solution hehe Mar 01 14:45:37 Yes, KotCzarny, I know. Mar 01 14:46:37 GeneralAntilles: From the practical point of view, nobody would care to use it. How many people around use 770 kernel with fixed YUV420 mode (which provides 2-3% of speedup for mplayer)? Mar 01 14:46:41 actually i'm getting jerky playback at 400x200 now Mar 01 14:47:07 ssvb this seems like it could be a lot more than a 2-3% speedup. Mar 01 14:47:46 pupnik with all of this, i have noticed if you run an app one time it can get dire frame rates with lots of judder, but then run thesame app and options seconds later its smoother. make sure you run each test at least a couple of times Mar 01 14:47:59 If I'm getting perfect playback of mpeg4 at 640x480 (24fps) without audio Mar 01 14:48:20 movies without audio are not fun Mar 01 14:48:27 check this out Mar 01 14:48:30 GeneralAntilles: s/perfect/slow motion Mar 01 14:48:30 mplayer test.avi -frames 200 -benchmark Mar 01 14:48:47 AO: [esd] 44100Hz 2ch s16le (2 bytes per sample Mar 01 14:48:53 VDec: vo config request - 400 x 200 (preferred colorspace: Planar YV12) Mar 01 14:49:04 VO: [xv] 400x200 => 400x200 Planar YV12 [fs] [zoom] Mar 01 14:49:11 BENCHMARKs: VC: 2.733s VO: 0.848s A: 1.890s Sys: 3.042s = 8.514s Mar 01 14:49:12 BENCHMARK%: VC: 32.0972% VO: 9.9628% A: 22.2037% Sys: 35.7362% = 100.0000% Mar 01 14:49:12 BENCHMARKn: disp: 201 (23.61 fps) drop: 0 (0%) total: 201 (23.61 fps) Mar 01 14:49:39 now i swear i saw jerky playback 3 times Mar 01 14:49:47 yet it says drop = 0? Mar 01 14:49:53 i believe you 100% my book thingie does the same Mar 01 14:50:10 its like the entire system freezes but nothign is lost Mar 01 14:50:26 -framedrop-hard ? Mar 01 14:50:27 :) Mar 01 14:50:33 with -ao gst it absolutely flies (no audio) Mar 01 14:50:46 with -ao gst it ignores audio track Mar 01 14:50:53 it doesn't even decode mp3 Mar 01 14:51:10 BENCHMARKs: VC: 2.608s VO: 0.316s A: 0.000s Sys: 0.585s = 3.510s Mar 01 14:51:10 BENCHMARK%: VC: 74.3187% VO: 9.0052% A: 0.0000% Sys: 16.6761% = 100.0000% Mar 01 14:51:31 from 8.5 seconds to 3.5 seconds without the libmad / esd playback Mar 01 14:52:01 bug 1273 sucks. Mar 01 14:52:29 so my 770 can play back this file just fine, but my 810 can't Mar 01 14:52:56 :D Mar 01 14:53:08 strange Mar 01 14:53:24 hmm Mar 01 14:53:28 maybe libmad has problems with some mp3 encoders or options Mar 01 14:53:35 anyone has n8x0 with os2k7 ? Mar 01 14:54:24 KotCzarny, I was actually planning to flash down Mar 01 14:54:33 to try it out Mar 01 14:54:35 if you do, do some benchmarks Mar 01 14:54:44 gst would work there Mar 01 14:55:14 pupnik_: the difference is proper realtime playback in one case (8.5 seconds) and faster than realtime playback in the second case (3.5 seconds) Mar 01 14:55:41 due to the mp3 playback? Mar 01 14:55:42 ok Mar 01 14:55:52 i unnerstan :) Mar 01 14:57:13 it was amazing to see how well video ran at high res with no audio playing though Mar 01 14:57:27 yes Mar 01 14:57:29 crispy Mar 01 14:57:30 :) Mar 01 14:58:47 conversely enabling mp3 playback sent it into 7 fps chunky mode Mar 01 14:59:12 mp3s are very complicated thingies.. Mar 01 14:59:47 sez j00 Mar 01 15:00:06 if they bring playback down 50% Mar 01 15:00:09 at least Mar 01 15:00:10 :) Mar 01 15:00:15 ^^ Mar 01 15:00:40 * Navi has one of those you-only-slept-four-hours headaches Mar 01 15:00:59 sleep? what is that? Mar 01 15:01:14 :) Mar 01 15:01:37 I'd rather be tired than have a headache Mar 01 15:01:43 I wish I didn't go to sleep Mar 01 15:02:03 take a shower Mar 01 15:02:38 KotCzarny: the problem is that you can't drop video frames any time you wish, they depend on each other when decoding (well, actually you can do it by using '-hardframedrop' option, but beware of horrible artifacts) Mar 01 15:03:11 ssvb: i know, but still, from 24fps to 15 when enabling audio? Mar 01 15:04:08 KotCzarny: that's exactly the reason: you still have all the frames decoded and only save some small fraction of time by not showing some of them Mar 01 15:04:59 KotCzarny: frames can be dropped more freely on videos with B-frames (these are XVID files encoded with default settings) Mar 01 15:05:10 hm, what videoplayer do you guys recommend? Mar 01 15:06:06 hmm Mar 01 15:06:18 KotCzarny: so you can get a VGA resolution XVID file played more or less acceptable (but dropping 30-40% of frames) Mar 01 15:06:39 without audio you can get svga Mar 01 15:06:41 :) Mar 01 15:06:48 aquatix mplayer ftw... dont know if vlc has been ported yet Mar 01 15:07:01 KotCzarny: if the same file is encoded with B-frames disabled, it becomes completely unwatchable Mar 01 15:08:05 KotCzarny: so video encoding options do matter a lot, sometimes to a higher extent than resolution/bitrate Mar 01 15:08:18 uhm - ./test: error while loading shared libraries: libhildon-1.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory.. Mar 01 15:08:35 do i need to fix my ld.so.conf? Mar 01 15:09:10 scratchbox runs it perfectly... Mar 01 15:09:40 s33ds: btw, vlc will not be faster than mplayer, its use is only justified if you prefer its GUI Mar 01 15:10:24 hmm Mar 01 15:10:27 -vo fb ? Mar 01 15:10:28 :) Mar 01 15:10:35 lol Mar 01 15:10:47 \o/ futurama @ n810 Mar 01 15:10:48 of ssvb :) i guess its all in the codecs - on a n800, still os2007 i get a lil lossy sound from divx still Mar 01 15:10:54 yay @ slideshows Mar 01 15:11:05 but near perfect framerate on a 480 x 320 Mar 01 15:11:20 aquatix: downscale it Mar 01 15:11:35 kotczarny which did u do benchmark on? Mar 01 15:11:44 ? Mar 01 15:12:20 s33ds, mplayer Mar 01 15:12:38 anyone using sb2 ? is there any way to execute af-sb... with sb2 ? Mar 01 15:12:56 aquatix: you can also try '-lavdopts lowres=1:gray' just for the sake of experiment Mar 01 15:13:01 meant the resolution of the avi :) Mar 01 15:13:11 VIDEO: [XVID] 720x448 12bpp 23.976 fps 571.9 kbps (69.8 kbyte/s) Mar 01 15:14:13 aquatix: lowres=1 only if you use build .25 of mplayer Mar 01 15:21:41 kernel-source-rx-34_2.6.21.0-osso71.diff.gz 20.02.2008 Mar 01 15:21:46 uname -a Mar 01 15:21:46 Linux Nokia-N800-51-3 2.6.21-omap1 #2 Fri Dec 7 11:17:13 EET 2007 armv6l unknown Mar 01 15:21:54 i wonder.. Mar 01 15:21:55 :> Mar 01 15:23:06 heh Mar 01 15:23:12 almost 4 months Mar 01 15:23:19 lots of time to fix bugs Mar 01 15:23:20 :) Mar 01 15:23:26 only eight more months to go Mar 01 15:23:36 s/eight/six/ Mar 01 15:23:36 Navi meant: only six more months to go Mar 01 15:23:55 BENCHMARKs: VC: 7.537s VO: 1.663s A: 0.000s Sys: 1.132s = 10.332s Mar 01 15:23:55 BENCHMARK%: VC: 72.9457% VO: 16.0936% A: 0.0000% Sys: 10.9607% = 100.0000% Mar 01 15:23:55 just to give you something to compare with =) Mar 01 15:24:12 s33ds: but you will have to use same file Mar 01 15:25:31 proximately the same - but little sw scaled.. XVID 576x320 with AC3 Mar 01 15:25:47 not even close Mar 01 15:25:51 :) Mar 01 15:25:58 give me a link :) Mar 01 15:26:08 mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/tmp/1.avi Mar 01 15:26:12 iirc Mar 01 15:26:57 * Navi wonders if that's actually fast action porn Mar 01 15:27:10 would explain the framedropping Mar 01 15:27:19 more like brainfsck Mar 01 15:27:20 http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/tmp/1.avi for real linkage Mar 01 15:27:43 zomg Mar 01 15:27:46 "The requested URL /tmp/1.avi was not found on this server." Mar 01 15:27:55 try without tmp Mar 01 15:28:25 works Mar 01 15:29:17 yea , but server is really busy right now :p Mar 01 15:29:42 it's only 128kbit up Mar 01 15:29:56 :) Mar 01 15:29:58 hmm, nokia going ubuntu mobile, now thats a claim... Mar 01 15:30:16 heh Mar 01 15:30:37 ubuntu mobile is a preconfigured debian with a custom hildon interface :D Mar 01 15:30:38 as long it's flashable and oss, who cares.. Mar 01 15:30:47 :) Mar 01 15:30:47 consider debian as the forefather, and its not that scary :) Mar 01 15:31:06 heh Mar 01 15:31:25 KotCzarny, two more minutes Mar 01 15:32:11 nice, futurama actually plays fairly well Mar 01 15:32:11 hey KotCzarny ssvb wrote "Now esd is used for non-mp3 audio in OS2007/OS2008" Mar 01 15:32:23 that means that dsp is used for mp3 audio in OS2007/2008 Mar 01 15:32:24 * s33ds pings KotCzarny, unstall connection! :D Mar 01 15:32:41 right? Mar 01 15:32:48 s33ds, reget, verizon sometimes does that Mar 01 15:32:48 s33ds, it's not that long a download Mar 01 15:32:56 erm, now how do i close the movie? :D Mar 01 15:32:58 it's only 1.5MB, and I was downloading off of him Mar 01 15:33:02 * aquatix feels stupid Mar 01 15:33:23 pupnik: watch mplayer logs Mar 01 15:33:31 it clearly says that it uses esd Mar 01 15:33:42 gst only works in 2007 and 2006 Mar 01 15:34:20 ok.. so compile it with gst Mar 01 15:34:21 :) Mar 01 15:34:30 it is compiled with gst Mar 01 15:34:36 hmm, got to love the back and forth about how "open" the iphone will be for developers ones the SDK is released... Mar 01 15:34:43 gst audio makes:BENCHMARKs: VC: 13.864s VO: 3.784s A: 0.087s Sys: 3.418s = 21.153s Mar 01 15:34:44 BENCHMARK%: VC: 65.5419% VO: 17.8890% A: 0.4116% Sys: 16.1576% = 100.0000% Mar 01 15:34:44 BENCHMARKn: disp: 189 (8.94 fps) drop: 127 (40%) total: 316 (14.94 fps) Mar 01 15:34:45 and i said that it had if statement Mar 01 15:34:48 pupnik: that comment is a bit misleading, it still uses dspmp3sink on OS2007 (but disables dsppcmsink) but on OS2008 both dspmp3sink and dsppcmsink are disabled Mar 01 15:35:00 oki Mar 01 15:35:18 esd is evil. Mar 01 15:35:19 :) Mar 01 15:35:23 -ao esd... wow, i think codec is missing hehe Mar 01 15:36:16 no audio... im so gonna upgrade :) Mar 01 15:36:18 BENCHMARKs: VC: 10.641s VO: 3.681s A: 0.060s Sys: 1.461s = 15.843s Mar 01 15:36:18 BENCHMARK%: VC: 67.1675% VO: 23.2364% A: 0.3758% Sys: 9.2203% = 100.0000% Mar 01 15:36:18 BENCHMARKn: disp: 203 (12.81 fps) drop: 150 (42%) total: 353 (22.28 fps) Mar 01 15:36:55 KotCzarny: unfortunately esd is the only output driver which provides proper audio/video sync in OS2008 for mplayer at the moment Mar 01 15:36:58 KotCzarny, OS2007 flashed. Mar 01 15:37:20 navi, great Mar 01 15:37:30 ssvb: what about alsa? Mar 01 15:38:06 Hm, where can I find the Images for the 2007he? If I reflash, I could use this. :O Mar 01 15:38:30 KotCzarny: ALSA does not work at all with video, and has some issues with A2DP (when used for audio only) Mar 01 15:38:34 mp3decsink is disabled in mplayer on HE os too Mar 01 15:39:14 ooh, os2007 was a much simpler time Mar 01 15:39:52 with the nerd gadget look to it Mar 01 15:40:31 Funny how it can feel so different Mar 01 15:40:38 :) Mar 01 15:41:04 not to mention, pressure sensitivity between fingers and stylus works Mar 01 15:41:19 s/between/differentiation between/ Mar 01 15:41:19 Navi meant: not to mention, pressure sensitivity differentiation between fingers and stylus works Mar 01 15:42:09 KotCzarny: generally speaking, I'm waiting for an updated OS2008 firmware before starting to hack this sound stuff (this decision is based on previous OS2007 experience) Mar 01 15:42:20 where you guys able to add a xterm applet? Mar 01 15:42:29 hi all Mar 01 15:42:46 ssvb: any idea how long that would be? Mar 01 15:43:30 anyways, KotCzarny, mplayer installed, going to transfer over your fast-action hardcore porn Mar 01 15:43:51 i should have put it somewhere else Mar 01 15:43:59 only .24 though, not .25 Mar 01 15:44:00 :) Mar 01 15:44:10 you can copy binary alone Mar 01 15:44:14 it will work Mar 01 15:44:44 hmm Mar 01 15:44:45 Can I force 333mhz speed for CPU to test mplayer on hi-res video? Mar 01 15:44:55 n810 has only 1 mmc slot? Mar 01 15:44:58 o.o Mar 01 15:45:01 KotCzarny: no idea, but I expect the second OS2008 release to be a major improvement in terms of stability, any system dependent hacks done now may be a wasted effort Mar 01 15:45:23 yes KotCzarny Mar 01 15:45:30 ssvb: if there will be one.. Mar 01 15:45:30 only one Mar 01 15:45:42 they can go all the way into n830 Mar 01 15:45:43 :) Mar 01 15:45:48 but it has 2 gb memory included Mar 01 15:45:57 not even a full mmc slot, it's a minisd slot Mar 01 15:46:03 pity. Mar 01 15:46:18 4gb sd is cheap Mar 01 15:46:21 :) Mar 01 15:46:27 I haven't added a mini sd yet Mar 01 15:46:46 4gb minisd's more expensive :D Mar 01 15:46:54 yes.. Mar 01 15:46:57 and 810 is missing fm tuner Mar 01 15:46:57 * Navi likes his full sized SDs Mar 01 15:46:58 :> Mar 01 15:46:58 pupnik: just start DSP accelerated mp3 playback (in built-in player) and cpu will go down to 330MHz Mar 01 15:47:57 ok ty Mar 01 15:48:12 pupnik: or "echo null > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor ; echo 1 > /sys/power/op_active" Mar 01 15:48:52 cat /sys/power/op_active Mar 01 15:48:52 3 Mar 01 15:48:54 3 ? Mar 01 15:48:56 o.O Mar 01 15:49:48 ssvb, when i play sdp mp3 and high res video, the framerate is ~ 23 fps. when I play with esd and libmad, i get ~8 fps Mar 01 15:49:51 i swear Mar 01 15:50:03 dsp Mar 01 15:50:11 KotCzarny: OP 3 is 165MHz/110MHz Mar 01 15:50:28 i will put up some test files Mar 01 15:50:30 but it will change automatically? Mar 01 15:50:32 sound works. Mar 01 15:50:48 pH5 like Sx on cpufreg? Mar 01 15:50:58 yup. Mar 01 15:50:59 *q Mar 01 15:51:04 goes to 0 when playing vid Mar 01 15:51:14 KotCzarny: as long as the scaling governor is "ondemand" and there is no dsptask/cam running it will scale depending on cpu load. Mar 01 15:51:47 - the N810 is at least twice as heavy as the N800 Mar 01 15:51:48 o.O Mar 01 15:51:55 That's fine Mar 01 15:52:33 playing mp3 via gstreamer sets op_active to 1 Mar 01 15:52:35 Some people complained that the N800 felt like light, cheap plastic. Mar 01 15:52:48 s33ds: Sx? Mar 01 15:52:56 i prefer light than massive Mar 01 15:53:00 P-States Mar 01 15:53:01 Navi: Certainly not light enough :) Mar 01 15:53:19 Navi: Feels fine to me. No better or worse than most mobile phones. Mar 01 15:53:29 anyways Mar 01 15:53:40 framedrops a tad bit Mar 01 15:54:01 No, it only weights 20g more than N800. But it might feel heavier Mar 01 15:54:01 because it is more compact and you don't keep it in your hands the Mar 01 15:54:01 same way you do for N80 Mar 01 15:54:03 o.O Mar 01 15:54:38 s33ds: I don't know about P-states, but the operating points are a bunch of clock divider and voltage settings, they are defined in arch/arm/mach-omap2/board-n800-dvfs.c. Mar 01 15:54:43 hard to tell, your fast-paced hardcore porn isn't very fast-paced Mar 01 15:55:01 i can rip another scene Mar 01 15:55:05 it's a fightclub anyway Mar 01 15:55:07 I have bleach on my sd Mar 01 15:55:14 pH5: cool! how do i fetch a kernel source? Mar 01 15:55:17 no worries Mar 01 15:55:50 s33ds: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/os2008/free/source/k/kernel-source-rx-34/ Mar 01 15:56:01 os2008 ? Mar 01 15:56:04 not chinook ? Mar 01 15:57:42 KotCzarny, -ao gst -ac dspmp3 on os2007 is more or less the same Mar 01 15:57:42 hmm, being able to compile your own kernel for a mobile device... tres bien! Mar 01 15:57:48 gotta luv linux Mar 01 15:58:00 navi: -benchmark -frames 200 Mar 01 15:58:25 also see what codec/output it uses Mar 01 16:01:20 ahh i had a 95% utilizing shell running for some reason on the benchmark i did b4 Mar 01 16:02:17 Mornig, all Mar 01 16:02:27 hrm Mar 01 16:02:40 seems like it's using gst by default Mar 01 16:03:06 23% framedrop out of 200 frames Mar 01 16:03:19 dspmp3 Mar 01 16:03:27 yea same Mar 01 16:03:46 s33ds: also consider using -quiet option (to suppress cpu usage by constantly refreshing status on the terminal) and -endpos instead of frames (so that you could specify length in seconds) Mar 01 16:04:21 but other audio outs are fubar.. only loud scratching noise Mar 01 16:04:26 length in seconds is convenient as you can easily see if decoding was faster/slower than realtime Mar 01 16:05:04 s33ds: for other audio drivers you can't use dspmp3 decoder Mar 01 16:06:07 s33ds: they will just get feeded with uncompressed mp3 data and result in only a noise Mar 01 16:06:23 so do a mp3decomp trick? Mar 01 16:06:24 BENCHMARKs: VC: 13.821s VO: 1.377s A: 0.084s Sys: 0.77 s = 15.983 Mar 01 16:06:52 s/77/700 Mar 01 16:07:17 s/77/700/ Mar 01 16:07:17 Navi meant: s/700/700 Mar 01 16:07:22 lol Mar 01 16:07:34 lol indeed Mar 01 16:07:40 sloow? Mar 01 16:07:42 :) Mar 01 16:07:49 slolw even Mar 01 16:09:32 ssvb for some reason -endpos uses more off of Sys timing.. but -frames 200 which should be around 8.35s its playback is 12.13s Mar 01 16:09:50 19% framedrops, without -framedrop though Mar 01 16:10:08 you have framedrop enabled in /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf Mar 01 16:10:16 ahh true Mar 01 16:10:24 use -noframedrop Mar 01 16:11:20 amazing Mar 01 16:13:21 ok, from 4-5 tests, avg is 11.365 seconds from the 8.35s real-time... about the same as KotCzarny's. Navi yours from this one: Mar 01 16:13:41 mplayer -benchmark -frames 200 1.avi -quiet -noframedrop Mar 01 16:22:38 try doing this when issuing heavy video playback on OS2008: while [ 1 ] ; do echo -en "`cat ./sys/power/op_active`" ; sleep .15; done Mar 01 16:23:38 sleep: invalid number '.15' Mar 01 16:24:07 busybox sux Mar 01 16:24:11 in this config Mar 01 16:24:12 :) Mar 01 16:28:05 uhm.. the N factor applies here :) Mar 01 16:30:39 hmm figured out the ld.so failure... doh - i prepped scratchbox with OS2008 Mar 01 16:32:52 what bitrate does 1.avi have? Mar 01 16:32:58 600? Mar 01 16:33:14 yes Mar 01 16:33:20 ~ Mar 01 16:33:27 572 Mar 01 16:33:29 kthx Mar 01 16:34:09 i'm curious about extracting audio to mp3, then launching gst-launch simultaneously with mplayer Mar 01 16:34:37 any mp3 will do Mar 01 16:34:41 it's ~128kbit Mar 01 16:34:53 no for my own hi-def movies Mar 01 16:34:58 :) Mar 01 16:35:04 i know you're testing, i'm making movies Mar 01 16:35:11 ah, ok Mar 01 16:35:12 :) Mar 01 16:35:44 dropping ofps to 20fps and running a seperate mp3 might yield watchable movies Mar 01 16:38:14 http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/musicandvideo/hdvideo/contentshowcase.aspx some free hi-def content from the evil empire (unzip with pkzip) Mar 01 16:41:52 we'd be good to go if we could decode mp3 while running cpu at 400mhz Mar 01 16:42:21 800x450 playing nicely at 22fps here Mar 01 16:42:41 with kernel patch and fixed mplayer, yes Mar 01 16:42:45 but who will do that? Mar 01 16:42:48 * KotCzarny sleepy Mar 01 16:43:07 (and my stylus still missing ;/) Mar 01 16:43:42 why do half my vids have a green line at the bottom? Mar 01 16:44:23 http://www.google.com/search?q=mplayer+%22green+line%22 Mar 01 16:44:55 heh Mar 01 16:45:10 KotCzarny: Who will do that? I would :) Mar 01 16:45:40 Ew, maemo repositiories keep timing out Mar 01 16:45:43 -_- Mar 01 16:45:47 the green lines are normally uninitialised yuv planes ;) (0 byte on the 2nd and 3rd plane instead of 128 for black) ;) Mar 01 16:46:21 reducing resolution by 1 didn't fix Mar 01 16:46:39 ty lcuk_2 Mar 01 16:46:52 the uv planes are at half resolution ie 2 pixel squares, try reducing by 2 Mar 01 16:47:00 or could of course be an artifact Mar 01 16:47:03 .. Mar 01 16:47:03 ahrr ty Mar 01 16:47:42 i often wondered why peoples media players put green screens up, since i learnt about yuv and how it uses bytes it just makes sense now Mar 01 16:50:21 two-pass xvid for great justice Mar 01 16:52:29 what app do you use for the camera? Mar 01 16:55:09 camera app Mar 01 16:56:56 :D Mar 01 16:57:54 it's just called 'camera' on my system Mar 01 16:58:28 yeah found it Mar 01 17:02:08 -nozoom isn't nozooming :/ Mar 01 17:04:30 ha! Mar 01 17:04:34 i see my stylus! Mar 01 17:04:38 pupnik: works for me Mar 01 17:04:39 now to get it out.. Mar 01 17:04:57 pupnik: what video resolution did you try? Mar 01 17:05:04 i think i have some stupid encoding options remaining Mar 01 17:05:20 VO: [xv] 800x448 => 896x448 Planar YV12 [fs] [zoom] Mar 01 17:05:36 pupnik: that's aspect ratio Mar 01 17:05:39 must be stting the res based on a faulty ratio Mar 01 17:06:11 you can try -noaspect if you don't want to take aspect ratio in account Mar 01 17:06:39 anyway, if your video needs aspect ratio correction, scaling has to be used for it Mar 01 17:07:00 ok thanks. i'll try stuff with 720 w and about ~3xx high Mar 01 17:07:11 cause downsampling from 25fps just doesn't look nice Mar 01 17:07:52 changing framerate is a bad idea, it does not look good and may result in audio sync problems Mar 01 17:08:52 ssvb, is there a less cpu intensive codec that will yield decent results with larger filesizes? Mar 01 17:08:58 mpeg2? :) Mar 01 17:09:39 pupnic: -nozoom does not improve performance on n8x0 at all Mar 01 17:09:46 oh ok Mar 01 17:10:02 so i can reduce resolution however i want Mar 01 17:10:07 and let mplayer scale Mar 01 17:10:33 pupnik: it will be scaled using LCD controller hardware Mar 01 17:10:40 cool Mar 01 17:10:46 scaling upto 800*480 is automatic by the LCD if rendering is through xv - it works really well and is free cpu wise Mar 01 17:11:18 way cool. Mar 01 17:11:19 hw scaler is using bicubic algorithm, so it also high quality Mar 01 17:11:46 arbitrary scaling. games could use that so damn much Mar 01 17:11:53 yer pup, the lcd is geared around driving tv displays and so automatically includes this fn :) Mar 01 17:11:58 hmm... i get very high ping responses when pinging the n810 Mar 01 17:12:01 yer, but its yuv only from what i can see Mar 01 17:12:19 lcuk_2: it can scale rgb as well Mar 01 17:12:41 maybe the master could guide us. ahhh he has ;) thanks ssvb :) Mar 01 17:13:16 so theoretically we could redirect sdl through a nice channel like that and not worry about basic pixel doubling code Mar 01 17:13:51 lcuk_2: yes, pixel doubling is actually using this hw scaler Mar 01 17:14:21 lcuk_2: "pixel doubling" is a bad name by the way, pixels are not doubled, they are smoothly scaled Mar 01 17:14:45 dang, i would love to carry on along these lines but family calls, i will no doubt catch you lot again, have a good day Mar 01 17:14:53 cu lcuk_2 Mar 01 17:15:42 ssvb so by studying mplayer source i can also get a portion of a screen scaled to arbitrary size? Mar 01 17:15:51 can the lcd also scale x and y independently? Mar 01 17:15:53 pupnik: yes Mar 01 17:16:23 this would be very useful for emulators like nes and snes Mar 01 17:16:28 it scales x and y independently, the only requirement is that it only supports upscaling Mar 01 17:17:17 great! they need stretching Mar 01 17:17:20 pupnik, lcuk_2: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2008-February/014654.html Mar 01 17:18:29 I think Xv can be easily modified to support rgb color format and it will make a lot more flexible API than XSP pixel doubling Mar 01 17:18:29 interesting Mar 01 17:19:08 i need to learn about the lcd to detect vsync anyway Mar 01 17:19:09 except that even this patch is not applied yet: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1278 Mar 01 17:19:34 ssvb did you see i got a NES emulator running at 60fps on 770? :) Mar 01 17:20:22 now to make it 60FPS on the N8X0! Mar 01 17:20:35 it's 97-105 on n8x0 Mar 01 17:20:41 * Navi lols Mar 01 17:20:52 Sound still studders? Mar 01 17:20:58 no this is a different one Mar 01 17:21:02 mmk Mar 01 17:21:11 lcd refresh rate is something between 50 and 60 Hz anyway :) Mar 01 17:21:22 at least on 770 Mar 01 17:21:52 hrm Mar 01 17:21:57 nice bug ssvb Mar 01 17:21:57 mmpc is missing updatedb Mar 01 17:22:53 congrats ssvb for the xv speedup Mar 01 17:22:53 pupnik: if we can start getting patches added into core system components, better games/emulators performance can be achieved Mar 01 17:23:45 pupnik: that's a very old patch, basically all the performance difference between '-vo nokia770' and '-vo xv' can be attributed to this optimization Mar 01 17:24:09 ah so mplayer uses it already? Mar 01 17:24:24 or does it need new xserver Mar 01 17:25:01 pupnik: mplayer uses it in its own code, but if this optimization gets into xserver, every application using Xv will get faster Mar 01 17:25:19 there's another application using it? :) Mar 01 17:25:48 ohshi- Mar 01 17:25:51 well that's great news Mar 01 17:25:51 Weird Mar 01 17:26:02 the screen is locked, but I can scroll with the dpad Mar 01 17:26:03 pupnik: gstreamer xv sink (built-in player, canola, etc.) Mar 01 17:26:07 and I can't unlock the screen Mar 01 17:26:45 hard keys aren't locked >_> Mar 01 17:30:06 ssvb, patch is awesome ^^ Mar 01 17:30:37 push the devs a bit more for a future release ;) Mar 01 17:30:58 see the bottom - daniel says it's going in the next os2008 Mar 01 17:31:57 -O4 the DSP bits and rock on hehe *gG* Mar 01 17:32:02 laterz Mar 01 17:32:42 haaa! Mar 01 17:32:51 i got my stylus back! Mar 01 17:32:54 go me! Mar 01 17:33:03 me too Mar 01 17:33:09 use your finger :D Mar 01 17:33:14 mine was hiding on the floor Mar 01 17:33:39 trying to be invisible in plain view Mar 01 17:33:40 :) Mar 01 17:33:53 mine was stuck deep in heating appliance Mar 01 17:34:11 Man, the browser is in desperate need of a popup blocker. Mar 01 17:34:57 use adblock+ ? Mar 01 17:45:13 wow, transcoding 1280x720p to 640x360 almost gives 25fps Mar 01 17:45:24 pff. Mar 01 17:45:32 full screen or death. Mar 01 17:45:33 ;) Mar 01 17:45:34 Austin, AdBlock Plus, Flash Block, hosts, css Mar 01 17:45:36 Take your pick Mar 01 17:45:40 Privoxy, even. Mar 01 17:45:43 wow, transcoding 1280x720p to 640x360 almost gives 25fps Mar 01 17:45:44 yeah Mar 01 17:45:46 oops Mar 01 17:45:47 i was going to say Mar 01 17:45:49 junkbuster Mar 01 17:47:07 lol Mar 01 17:51:11 btw frames=fps*10 is a bit more easy to convert Mar 01 17:51:49 so atm i'm at 11.459s on a 250 frame clip :/ reencoding at 561x316 Mar 01 17:52:08 hooray for no-cost arbitrary scaling! Mar 01 17:53:24 no-cost? Mar 01 17:54:13 no cpu cost Mar 01 17:54:26 pupnik: well done :) congrats! Mar 01 17:54:27 what does work then? Mar 01 17:54:41 ok 560x316 yields 8.621s Mar 01 17:55:00 (under 10 = 25+fps Mar 01 17:55:14 and frankly i can't tell the missing resolution from 800x480 unless i pause it Mar 01 17:56:10 you will miss crispiness Mar 01 17:56:30 now with dsp mp3 playback... Mar 01 17:56:38 10.910s! Mar 01 17:56:41 :/ Mar 01 17:58:57 pupnik: unless you can make it run at 400/133, better forget about DSP for audio decoding Mar 01 17:59:23 pupnik: mp3 decoding on ARM can be also optimized Mar 01 17:59:53 another stupid thing, my mencoder script is encoding audio @ 48000hz yet esd runs at 44100 hz Mar 01 18:00:07 esd sucks Mar 01 18:00:27 no i suck because i didn't specify the freq of the mp3 correctly Mar 01 18:00:39 :) Mar 01 18:00:43 heh Mar 01 18:01:41 pupnik: and now I'm experimenting with vorbis floating point optimizations (ffvorbis decoder), it has a good potential to become a lot faster than tremor Mar 01 18:01:54 really Mar 01 18:02:07 sweet Mar 01 18:02:30 i'm researching lame options Mar 01 18:03:21 with .25 mplayer release, we are now almost at the crossover point (-ac ffvorbis is almost as fast as the now default tremor decoder) Mar 01 18:03:42 how do i uninstall something like dropbear? Mar 01 18:03:51 dpkg -r Mar 01 18:06:02 whats the command to show a list if instaleld programs Mar 01 18:06:26 dpkg -l Mar 01 18:06:52 oh great Mar 01 18:06:58 its so long it scrolled out Mar 01 18:07:07 install less Mar 01 18:07:12 or maemo-list-user-packages for just the user-installed applications Mar 01 18:07:13 then do dpkg -h|less Mar 01 18:08:56 thanks, list user packages worked Mar 01 18:09:22 i can't seem to get rid of dropbear. says subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 102 Mar 01 18:09:47 dpkg sucks, sometimes Mar 01 18:10:20 is there like a maemo-uninstall? Mar 01 18:10:24 are you using dropbear ssh at the moment? Mar 01 18:10:29 it will use dpkg anyway Mar 01 18:10:38 so it will return error too Mar 01 18:10:41 no Mar 01 18:10:45 dont think so. everything is off Mar 01 18:11:02 refflash. Mar 01 18:11:02 ;) Mar 01 18:11:35 .. Mar 01 18:13:41 anyone know what the error is? Mar 01 18:14:07 not offhand but i have dropbear on another device Mar 01 18:14:27 i want toinstall openssh and it says dropbear conflicts Mar 01 18:14:28 try running /etc/init.d/dropbear stop Mar 01 18:14:33 then reuninstall dropbear Mar 01 18:15:14 (run that as root of course) Mar 01 18:15:53 sameerror Mar 01 18:16:01 just force it Mar 01 18:16:03 *grin* Mar 01 18:16:14 or read what exactly is the problem Mar 01 18:16:17 i am Mar 01 18:16:19 should be on screen Mar 01 18:16:32 or can i use dropbear to have winscp connect to me? Mar 01 18:16:35 to the n800 Mar 01 18:17:07 dropbear can do scp Mar 01 18:17:21 it can't do certain options though Mar 01 18:17:23 doesnt have a sftp server iirc Mar 01 18:18:25 There's not a whole lot of point runinng dropbear over openssh on the N8x0s. Mar 01 18:18:36 :) Mar 01 18:18:40 yeah, openssh is better Mar 01 18:26:54 ok 512x308 and -ao sdl seems better than -ao esd... Mar 01 18:27:34 though i try to make 22050 khz mp3 AUDIO: says 48000 hz in mplayer Mar 01 18:27:51 sucks. Mar 01 18:28:06 Out of interest, in the bottom right in the browser theres a count every tiie you load a page. Is that the number of images or data transfered? Mar 01 18:28:23 yes Mar 01 18:28:42 thats the count of how many kittens god has killed Mar 01 18:29:33 Mental note *takke more care to avoid this or that questions in the future...* Mar 01 18:29:40 Objects, koshi. Mar 01 18:32:22 Ah i see, thanks, il go google what those objects are Mar 01 18:33:28 its any image or script file or xss file or subframe etc Mar 01 18:33:35 real answer this time ;) Mar 01 18:34:28 Hmm, just found that as well. Wasnt aware of that tag. well makes this problem easier Mar 01 18:41:18 ok, time to bed Mar 01 18:41:28 KotCzarny, lmao Mar 01 18:41:29 anyone knows th perfect 'hideout' for an i386 / arm (host/target) toolchain? Mar 01 18:41:41 how do I make the fn button work in rdesktop? Mar 01 18:41:53 KotCzarny, I'd hate to have your sleeping habits. Mar 01 19:02:34 is there a way to get new applets for the home sreen? Mar 01 19:02:41 Download them? Mar 01 19:03:19 GeneralAntilles, wherre? Mar 01 19:03:54 * inteliwasp gets kind of clueless sometimes... Mar 01 19:04:00 gronmayer.com/it or maemo.org/downloads Mar 01 19:04:38 inteliwasp: look for the download link on the maemo.org page Mar 01 19:04:45 there are a few Mar 01 19:04:56 Heh Mar 01 19:04:59 I want to use applets Mar 01 19:05:14 but I don't like clutter on my home screen Mar 01 19:05:52 mi applet used to work , but I did not even try it on it2008 because all the applets move all the time Mar 01 19:06:10 Yeah, it's pretty annoying Mar 01 19:06:19 I liked it on os2007 a bit better Mar 01 19:06:32 I applet relied on movent within the applet Mar 01 19:21:06 Hmm, I've got a question about existance, what the meaning of 'osso' in some application names ? Mar 01 19:21:19 relied to Maemo, but where … Mar 01 19:21:36 Zic: it is the name of de department where this software is created withing nokia Mar 01 19:21:51 oh, ok :) Mar 01 19:22:03 it is something that ended up in the names and they are trying to remove :p Mar 01 19:22:19 lol Mar 01 19:22:48 within Mar 01 19:43:51 the tablets need cool people doing new things like these http://www.toryhobson.com/new/entries/trism-upcoming-game-for-iphone/ Mar 01 19:44:06 enough with the q'n'd ports Mar 01 19:44:51 q'n'd ? Mar 01 19:44:57 quick and dirty Mar 01 19:47:17 and you are not useless how, michele_ Mar 01 19:47:49 pupnik: I didn' mean to offend Mar 01 19:48:59 Heh, that's sexy Mar 01 19:49:11 i would guess the number of developers is mainly a function of market share Mar 01 19:49:18 Yeah Mar 01 19:49:19 I tried to look at the like but i only get a white square. what is good about it? Mar 01 19:49:32 pupnik: I think they are correlated Mar 01 19:49:51 the iPhone has a larger user base, so sexier apps/games/programs/stuff Mar 01 19:49:55 mutually I mean Mar 01 19:50:47 The iPhone also has the advantage of a bunch of OS X developers who like to focus on glitz and glam. Mar 01 19:51:04 We have the advantage of NERDZZZZZZ Mar 01 19:51:14 Dirty Linux apps Mar 01 19:51:16 how many commercial apps are there for the tablets? Mar 01 19:51:48 Zero? Mar 01 19:51:51 mmm, rhapsody, navicore Mar 01 19:51:54 I guess a few by now Mar 01 19:51:56 Two? Mar 01 19:52:17 how many for linux? Mar 01 19:52:23 Much more Mar 01 19:52:30 but they're still in the vast majority Mar 01 19:52:30 Plus that one stupid PIM thing that nobody's ever bought. Mar 01 19:52:35 shadowplan supposedly works in the tablets too, so would not be surprised if many other commercial Linux apps did too Mar 01 19:52:35 s/majority/minority/ Mar 01 19:52:36 Navi meant: but they're still in the vast minority Mar 01 19:52:41 GeneralAntilles: what? Mar 01 19:53:16 skype also does not fals under commercial in my definition Mar 01 19:53:39 falls under what ? Mar 01 19:54:11 I would cal skype a commercial application Mar 01 19:55:09 There's some stupid little todo/note manager app that they want to change $20 for. Mar 01 19:55:22 lol Mar 01 19:55:40 GeneralAntilles: Sounds like Shadowplan, except I would not call in stupid :) Mar 01 19:56:15 Sure, it's less nice than Basket, but I have not tried to shovel Basket into a tablet. Mar 01 19:56:22 s/in/it/ Mar 01 19:56:22 Lynoure meant: Sure, it's less nice than Basket, but I have not tried to shovel Basket itto a tablet. Mar 01 19:56:54 heh, näh, meant the previous one, that actually had a typo :) Mar 01 19:57:43 Hi Mar 01 19:58:12 I have a quesion concerning the N770 RTC: Is there a second battery for that? Mar 01 19:58:27 It seems ma N770 looses time/date when i turn it off Mar 01 19:58:43 I've seen one in the N800 Mar 01 19:58:49 I suppose there's one in the 770. Mar 01 19:58:58 worked just fine for many years, but suddenly it stopped working Mar 01 19:59:50 GeneralAntilles: Is there any docu where these battary is located? I have searched the net without success. Mar 01 20:00:31 Eh, you'll see it if you can manage to get it open without breaking anything Mar 01 20:00:53 Personally, I would either use it like it's supposed to be used, and never turn it off, or setup ntp syncing at boot. Mar 01 20:01:48 I'm just wondering why I can't simply replace that battery Mar 01 20:02:12 Nokia seemed to have done a major design flaw Mar 01 20:02:52 You could Mar 01 20:02:57 But it's gonna be a pain to get it open. Mar 01 20:03:11 and, really, do you know of any mobile device that's easy to get open? Mar 01 20:03:49 N800 has easy to get to battery, at least, though Treo 650's is even easier :) Mar 01 20:04:08 Besides, losing the date when powering off (which you really shouldn't be doing anyway) is hardly a "major design flaw". Mar 01 20:06:31 GeneralAntilles: I consider making it hard/impossible to replace a battery that is known to work only for two years a major design flaw Mar 01 20:07:44 GeneralAntilles: If casio would tell me that i have to discard my 200$ wrist watch just because the 4$ battery is out of juice Mar 01 20:08:03 I would certainly consider them being morons ;-) Mar 01 20:08:11 The 770 doesn't stop working when this battery dies. :\ Mar 01 20:08:15 heh Mar 01 20:08:22 Besides, the batteries in both of my 770s are still working. Mar 01 20:11:22 GeneralAntilles: Maybe that's because mine is turned off, when I don't use it. Mar 01 20:14:11 Which is stupid Mar 01 20:14:16 Lol Mar 01 20:14:20 As the devices are designed to be left on 24/7 Mar 01 20:15:21 With its uptime its a crime to turn it off Mar 01 20:16:15 uptime = power consumption Mar 01 20:16:16 Koshi: As I don't use vpenis I do not care about uptime. ;-) Mar 01 20:16:49 :) thought one thing, typed another Mar 01 20:19:10 Actually what do people use these tablets for? Mar 01 20:19:21 how do i make the AM list all packages? Mar 01 20:20:48 Koshi, watching pr0n, duh Mar 01 20:21:01 In 2008 os its a case of pressing browse installable applications -> all tab Mar 01 20:21:52 Koshi: yeah, but i upgrade to image 2.0 and now i don't see it. Mar 01 20:22:00 Navi: on that small display??? Mar 01 20:22:12 Oh no idea then sorry Mar 01 20:22:16 N800 is a fantastic mobile video player. Mar 01 20:22:21 Screen look awesome. Mar 01 20:22:26 s/look/looks/ Mar 01 20:22:27 GeneralAntilles meant: Screen looks awesome. Mar 01 20:22:40 especially weet nekked gurllllzzzz lololol Mar 01 20:26:41 Other then a toy, i see this as a holiday/weekend away laptop replacement. Mar 01 20:40:53 i see an opportunity to build a powerful OS and get the VOIP implemented in a device, capeable of following you everywhere! Mar 01 20:41:17 VOIP has already been implemented. Mar 01 20:41:49 yea but now you carry it around, loggin in with wifi :) Mar 01 20:42:22 only thing, its missing is the SIM, which greatly would improve connectivity (also wifi-less) Mar 01 20:42:52 say, if for instance lots of people has tablets or alike with wifi - when they jump on a hotspot somewhere, they download some data Mar 01 20:43:10 rss/news/cached webbies etc.. Mar 01 20:43:11 Bleh Mar 01 20:43:15 I have a cellphone for cellular access. Mar 01 20:43:32 The day Nokia adds SIM slots to all of the tablets is the day I find another platform. Mar 01 20:43:47 Bluetooth tethering works just fine for connectivity. Mar 01 20:44:11 if ppl would allow for these data to be shared with other tablets/phones, parts of the internet would be brought to them without having to use any ISP Mar 01 20:44:30 What? Mar 01 20:44:32 true, just carry a phone along with you as well :) Mar 01 20:45:04 lets call it collaborating ad-hoc-networks? =) Mar 01 20:45:21 you mean mesh networks Mar 01 20:45:21 Ugh Mar 01 20:45:26 just a stupid idea on how to spread news-feeds among ppl hehe Mar 01 20:45:30 indeed shackan Mar 01 20:45:42 spread what? Mar 01 20:46:10 whatever! Mar 01 20:46:17 pr0n!¡! *gG* Mar 01 20:48:44 Hm, the application manager doesn't start.... Mar 01 20:50:01 crud, i do not know why it won't let me uninstall dropbear. i want to install openssh server so i can use winscp and access my n800 Mar 01 20:50:07 Does anyone know of a simple way to just change a scrollbar in GTK to be wider? I am fine if this changes all scrollbars on the system to be wider as well. Mar 01 20:50:30 Editing /home/user/.gtkrc-2.0 doesn't work for me but that's the answer I find everywhere. Mar 01 20:56:14 I hate this crap. Mar 01 20:56:22 Why don't the app-manager starts normally. Mar 01 20:57:59 kikka, what in the world have you been doing to your device? Mar 01 20:58:06 You seem to be failing miserably at every point possible. Mar 01 20:59:42 Anyone ever have this error uninstalling anything: Subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 102 Mar 01 21:01:03 Look at that script and find out the circumstances under which it'd return 102. Mar 01 21:01:18 it's the dropbear script. i dont even know what i'm looking for Mar 01 21:01:43 trying to enhance the busybox clin? Mar 01 21:02:26 trying to uninstall dropbear to install openssh Mar 01 21:02:28 server Mar 01 21:02:44 did you google the error message? Mar 01 21:02:45 on a win-box? Mar 01 21:02:57 on my n800 Mar 01 21:03:10 i did, but it doesn't seem to tell me much. it's just set of instructions for ubuntu Mar 01 21:03:31 Is there a gtk theme file somewhere that the maeemo uses that I can adjust? Mar 01 21:03:48 oh my bad, mistook dropbear for something else hehe Mar 01 21:04:06 any ideas? or what happens if remove the file? can i force it or something Mar 01 21:04:45 its not done from package manager? Mar 01 21:04:59 i tried that and dpkg -r from xterm Mar 01 21:05:04 GeneralAntilles: I don't know. nokia repair service.. (but I can still install something via apt-get, ...) Mar 01 21:05:06 dpkg --purge / --remove Mar 01 21:06:20 tried it Mar 01 21:06:56 says error processing dropbear Mar 01 21:07:00 then the error iposted above Mar 01 21:08:54 How can I start the app-manager via commandline? Mar 01 21:18:37 Where are the system themes stored for GTK? Mar 01 21:23:18 * kikka will reflash it again (the last time, I hope :/) tommorow. Mar 01 21:25:09 mhhh Mar 01 21:25:18 66Mhz Matters! Mar 01 21:25:43 * florian can beat that ;) Mar 01 21:29:17 you do notice it in mplayer Mar 01 21:29:24 s/do/can Mar 01 21:29:41 Hi all, just got a N810, anyone know where I can get software that will let me read excel sheets on my tablet? Mar 01 21:29:48 kikka: hildon-application-manager or you can use apt Mar 01 21:31:07 ynezz: Thanks, yeah. Mar 01 21:31:18 deusx: gnumeric could do that. dunno about the port status. Mar 01 21:31:47 hmm..i thought there was a gnumeric for the nokia but I didnt know it could do that Mar 01 21:32:02 I have a silly question Mar 01 21:32:06 its surprising after years of these tablets being out, someone has filled the need for an excel reader Mar 01 21:32:12 does anyone here have the source to the ruby-maemo bindings? Mar 01 21:32:17 I recieved my nokia 810 yesturday Mar 01 21:32:23 when I enter my product key Mar 01 21:32:28 it says "invalid" Mar 01 21:32:31 to get OS2008 Mar 01 21:33:07 my 810 says I have OS2008 on it, but it hasen't been updated since march 07 Mar 01 21:34:16 sbk Control Panel -> About Product .. it should be your WLAN MAC addr Mar 01 21:35:17 yes, when I enter that in vertabim it says its invalid Mar 01 21:36:04 dunno then, maybe call customer support Mar 01 21:36:52 on the off chance anyone would know: error: selected processor does not suport smulbb. but i see in the quick reference smulxy is supported...whats the xy? Mar 01 21:36:53 does anyone have a copy of the latest OS08? Mar 01 21:36:58 I can reflash it myself Mar 01 21:37:28 btw I haven't owned a nokia since the 6800 phone Mar 01 21:37:34 and this N810 is amazing Mar 01 21:38:58 * pupnik agrees Mar 01 21:39:08 * ynezz too Mar 01 21:39:34 the browsing ... the capability... Mar 01 21:39:42 I bought it to replace pen & paper at my office Mar 01 21:39:51 since I have a iphone, and its really not that good in the office Mar 01 21:40:13 the N810 was the most perfect edition Mar 01 21:40:47 < network engineer Mar 01 21:41:26 needless to say, im frustrated about this firmware upgrade Mar 01 21:45:08 dookdook: you need to provide gcc with -mcpu option Mar 01 21:46:18 ssvb, i'm in the scratchbox thing with CHINOOK_ARMEL... Mar 01 21:46:33 dookdook: for nokia 770 it is "-mcpu=arm926ej-s", for nokia n800/n810 it is -mcpu=arm1136jf-s" Mar 01 21:46:53 dookdook: so what? Mar 01 21:46:58 Someone here uses Pluthon? Mar 01 21:47:09 ssvb, sorry, thought it would automaticaly compile to the chipset... Mar 01 21:47:12 let me try Mar 01 21:48:43 ssvb, thanks, that worked Mar 01 21:48:50 dookdook: this is ARM enhanced DSP instruction, for processors which support armv5te instructions Mar 01 21:49:17 there are older ARM cores which do not have it Mar 01 21:49:33 you are welcome Mar 01 21:49:47 btw, what are you trying to compile? Mar 01 21:49:53 sdk, you can try the WLAN range from here: http://www.cnet.com/surveillance-state/8301-13739_1-9816300-46.html Mar 01 21:50:19 If it's not working, you're either entering the wrong number (misreading, maybe?) or on the wrong page. Mar 01 21:50:35 You are on http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810php right? Mar 01 21:50:42 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php Mar 01 21:50:48 ssvb, a test to compare some mpeg2 compression written in c vs. some code yanked from ffmeg for armv6? Mar 01 21:50:56 hmmm Mar 01 21:50:59 I'm not tho Mar 01 21:51:00 hello Mar 01 21:51:03 yeah thats the page I was using Mar 01 21:51:13 Thank you GeneralAntilles Mar 01 21:54:39 dookdook: that's interesting, I would like to also know the results once you have them Mar 01 21:58:00 I don't under stand what they mean by this Mar 01 21:58:11 OH! Mar 01 21:58:11 GOT IT! Mar 01 21:58:41 RX-44_2008SE_2.2007.51-3_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin Mar 01 21:59:00 now you only have to wait for the download to complete Mar 01 21:59:05 2 hours later... Mar 01 21:59:07 xD Mar 01 21:59:26 well, I have gigabit ethernet at my office Mar 01 21:59:26 It's been plenty fast for me. Mar 01 21:59:34 unless their servers are slow :P Mar 01 21:59:53 I work @ a wholesale bandwidth provider Mar 01 22:00:56 Unfortunately only Windows users get the benefit of Nokia's cool high-bandwidth servers. Mar 01 22:01:08 bah, windows :\ Mar 01 22:01:20 bsd/osx > * Mar 01 22:01:33 I won't leave out my linux pals either Mar 01 22:01:59 I dunno why they can't load-balance tablets-dev. . . . Mar 01 22:02:25 that would require someone to learn something ... Mar 01 22:02:50 Well, the goodnews is that the *nix users get the cool flasher. Mar 01 22:03:05 The Windows flasher is lame and talentless. Mar 01 22:03:11 haha as a;ways Mar 01 22:03:15 always* Mar 01 22:06:56 I started using BSD 20 years ago today... Mar 01 22:07:02 or .. somewhere around today Mar 01 22:22:03 Does anyone know how to make mDNS with avahi work on maemo. I installed it but I can't seem to ping my laptop using its hostname. Just IP. Mar 01 22:38:30 just flashed the os2008 on my device, its rocking =) Mar 01 22:39:12 heh, well anyways - can the size of the left-panel menu items be set globally somwhere? Mar 01 22:39:41 there's only room for like 6 items and its kinda to little in my oppinion Mar 01 22:39:59 No. Mar 01 22:41:05 arw.. Mar 01 22:41:09 resizing the icons maybe? Mar 01 22:42:04 nothing. Mar 01 22:42:07 it's locked tight. Mar 01 22:45:49 Who wants to code my awesome mockup? :P http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/appmenu-mockup.jpg Mar 01 22:58:09 What's a mockup? A gui layout? Mar 01 22:58:30 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mockup Mar 01 23:01:18 I'm getting 1500kb/s from that dev.tablet site Mar 01 23:02:46 You hit one of the akamai mirrors that doesn't blow. :P Mar 01 23:07:28 thats funny GeneralAntilles Mar 01 23:07:32 my company Mar 01 23:07:38 we host akamai Mar 01 23:08:12 The broken akamai mirrors have been a large part of the bandwidth problems. Mar 01 23:13:33 GeneralAntilles, waving that thing around again, have you? Mar 01 23:14:57 anyone use iemapper before? Mar 01 23:36:41 weird. running 'osso-xterm -x' brings up another toolbar in the current terminal Mar 01 23:38:27 recursive terminals! Mar 01 23:38:45 heh Mar 01 23:39:46 lol Mar 01 23:55:12 high all Mar 01 23:56:28 low none Mar 01 23:56:35 WOO Mar 01 23:56:39 Û.u Mar 01 23:56:53 * Navi shruggahs Mar 01 23:57:12 I am driven by compulsion Mar 01 23:57:21 it is my nature, I cannot help it Mar 01 23:57:34 Tama^2, to work on GeneralAntilles's menu mockup? Mar 01 23:57:50 nice try Navi Mar 01 23:57:55 * Navi snaps Mar 01 23:59:11 not becoming one of GA's code monkey anytime soon Mar 02 00:05:23 how do i start the openssh server? Mar 02 00:06:34 it is started automatically when you install it Mar 02 00:06:45 oh Mar 02 00:06:58 hrm Mar 02 00:07:08 i connected earlier to it using winscp, wonder why it won't work now Mar 02 00:12:30 Is the SDK 100% open source? Mar 02 00:12:42 no Mar 02 00:13:55 ok.. that means I have to use it on an x86 machine Mar 02 00:14:33 is there any way to make os2008 use ntp server provided by dhcp server? Mar 02 00:21:04 cLin: try to ssh to itself in xterm Mar 02 00:21:10 ssh root@localhost Mar 02 00:21:19 yea, i got it working, thanks :D Mar 02 01:21:34 so I updated the device.. Mar 02 01:21:39 it is incrediably faster Mar 02 01:24:00 faster and with a prettier (but clumsy) UI Mar 02 01:24:26 does anyone know the keycodes of the + and - buttons of the n770? Mar 02 01:25:15 F8/F9 Mar 02 01:25:25 GeneralAntilles: thx Mar 02 01:28:25 try Tama^2 Mar 02 01:28:28 true* Mar 02 01:28:40 all the apps I wanted to install work now Mar 02 01:28:42 so thats a + Mar 02 01:30:17 lol @ the mplayer package Mar 02 01:30:20 this device owns Mar 02 01:32:19 * Tama^2 remebers how excited he was when he first used the tablet *sigh* Mar 02 01:32:25 *remembers Mar 02 01:32:25 heh Mar 02 01:33:29 * Tama^2 shakes his raised fist in the air while howling "why Nokiaaaaa" Mar 02 01:33:31 Do enough rundown tests, Tama^2, and you'll get excited all over again once you can use it. :P Mar 02 01:33:45 I had enough Mar 02 01:33:59 I gave up on it Mar 02 01:35:10 heh Mar 02 01:35:11 I will reinstall OS2008 and use the tablet for other things than media consumption (read it will take dust until I leave on trips that will require me to leave my laptop behind) Mar 02 01:35:15 what happened to yours Tama^2 Mar 02 01:35:51 nothing, it's more like what did I do to complicate my life ;) Mar 02 01:36:00 ahh Mar 02 01:36:07 it has some issues that piss me off Mar 02 01:36:15 piss me off massively I should say Mar 02 01:36:27 whast the best mail app Mar 02 01:36:35 and does it do pop & imap? Mar 02 01:36:40 modest Mar 02 01:36:52 it crashes once in a while but it is usable Mar 02 01:37:01 does the notifier work with it? Mar 02 01:37:07 yes Mar 02 01:37:11 win win win win win Mar 02 01:37:15 lol Mar 02 01:37:22 this is going to the best handheld for work Mar 02 01:37:24 I know it Mar 02 01:37:53 usbcontroller is genius Mar 02 01:38:20 I can put my contacts in, in a timely manor Mar 02 01:38:59 Tama^2: GeneralAntilles: do you have any suggestions for sites aside from maemo.org to check out Mar 02 01:39:24 there is a site with a list of repos but I cannot remember the address Mar 02 01:39:26 internettablettalk.com Mar 02 01:39:31 nice! Mar 02 01:39:34 thank you Mar 02 01:39:38 sbk, there's also a statusbar applet that accomplishes the same thing. Mar 02 01:39:53 this site Tama^2 ? Mar 02 01:39:54 http://www.gronmayer.com/it/ Mar 02 01:39:57 yes Mar 02 01:40:00 :) Mar 02 01:40:11 I did a days worth of reasearch before purchasing it Mar 02 01:40:19 me too Mar 02 01:40:55 I decided to not spend money on the ipod touch in the end because of apple's attitude towards software dev on those devices Mar 02 01:41:09 well, I have a iphone already Mar 02 01:41:19 but browsing on it is weak compared to the 810 Mar 02 01:41:35 Scrolls smoothly though :3 Mar 02 01:41:46 and a BT keyboard works on the N8x) Mar 02 01:41:59 Tama^2, what kind of smiley is that O_o Mar 02 01:42:22 it's the delayed finger lifting typo smiley Mar 02 01:42:29 :D Mar 02 01:42:45 OH NO!!!! Mar 02 01:42:48 re BT keyb... it kind of works Mar 02 01:42:51 the rdp works great!!! Mar 02 01:42:56 im logged into my rdp box Mar 02 01:43:11 like everything else it kind of works Mar 02 01:43:26 * Tama^2 is spoiled and pedantic ;_; Mar 02 01:44:09 The N8X0 does many things, and it does none of them extraordinarily well Mar 02 01:44:15 wow this rdp is insane Mar 02 01:44:27 it works perfectly Mar 02 01:44:27 I can hit my core routers and everything Mar 02 01:44:32 rdp is all right Mar 02 01:44:32 x forwarding for the win, though. Mar 02 01:49:52 true that Navi Mar 02 01:50:00 Tama^2: is that mail client Mar 02 01:50:04 the one thats built in? Mar 02 01:50:11 no Mar 02 01:50:23 im looking for itnow Mar 02 01:50:26 modest isn't built in for chinook Mar 02 01:50:30 it has it's own repo Mar 02 01:51:11 Built-in is osso-email Mar 02 01:51:26 ahhh ok Mar 02 01:51:32 Modest is set to replace it in either a future release of Chinook or Diablo. Mar 02 01:51:37 i'm looking now Mar 02 01:52:11 http://modest.garage.maemo.org/ Mar 02 01:53:06 osso is such a lol word Mar 02 01:53:07 xD Mar 02 01:53:38 oh thanks GeneralAntilles Mar 02 01:53:52 GeneralAntilles, wow, HOW DID U KNO TAT? Mar 02 01:54:10 irmagic Mar 02 01:54:18 omg Mar 02 01:54:25 googs is the win Mar 02 01:56:54 can I remove osso Mar 02 01:56:58 nah Mar 02 01:59:31 damn it Mar 02 02:12:47 sbk: osso is a prefix to lots of nokia components for the tablet platform Mar 02 02:17:17 Tama^2he was talking about the mail client Mar 02 02:17:26 Reed teh contextz! Mar 02 02:18:09 I know Mar 02 02:18:30 but if you scroll back you will see that I myself admitted I am pedantic Mar 02 02:18:37 xD Mar 02 02:19:18 he used it as a proper name in his sentence, so I had to rectify him Mar 02 02:19:45 (if you scroll further back you will find I claim to be driven by compulsion, so it all makes sense you see) Mar 02 02:19:47 >.> Mar 02 02:20:20 * GeneralAntilles agrees with Tama^2. :P Mar 02 02:20:33 on which particular point? Mar 02 02:20:45 if you scroll far enough back you see the discussion involving tama, a wild sheep and a traffic cone ;) Mar 02 02:21:00 That the correction was worthwhile. Mar 02 02:21:11 or you agree with me on anything and everything I have ever said and will say? Please sign on the dotted line Mar 02 02:21:20 If you scroll far enough back, you'll see the beginning of time itself. Mar 02 02:21:49 lcuk: I fail to see the connection between me the sheep and the traffic cone Mar 02 02:21:52 >.< Mar 02 02:22:04 You were awfully drunk. Mar 02 02:22:36 are you talking to me GA? :P Mar 02 02:22:41 the beginning of time: Started in 1983: GeneralAntilles stood in line waiting for the nokia a1 teletype luggable to come out ;) Mar 02 02:22:51 That's why you don't see the connection. :P Mar 02 02:23:02 * GeneralAntilles has a time machine. Mar 02 02:23:11 * Tama^2 has two Mar 02 02:23:19 pffff Mar 02 02:24:05 I maybe drunk NOW Mar 02 02:24:13 ..for all you know Mar 02 02:25:59 ... drunk coders... might make intresting programs Mar 02 02:26:33 apparently you don't hang out on w/any defcon folks :) Mar 02 02:42:08 haha I was @ defcon last yr Mar 02 02:42:15 we were twisted Mar 02 02:42:25 what size memory stick goes in this nokia Mar 02 02:42:40 I bought a 8gig SD card Mar 02 02:42:42 and it didnt fit Mar 02 02:43:07 N810? Mar 02 02:43:12 yeah Mar 02 02:43:15 MiniSd Mar 02 02:43:31 sonofabitch Mar 02 02:43:52 cause I got this 1 Mar 02 02:43:53 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148158 Mar 02 02:43:54 no good Mar 02 02:44:14 so this, would have been a better bet? Mar 02 02:44:15 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220295 Mar 02 02:44:16 Yeah . . . little big. :P Mar 02 02:44:23 just a little bit too! Mar 02 02:44:27 That would be THE bet. :P Mar 02 02:44:39 cheaper too :\ Mar 02 02:44:41 MicroSD is also an option with adaptor. Mar 02 02:45:02 I have a microSD 2gig Mar 02 02:45:08 but I think the adaptor is SD Mar 02 02:45:09 :/ Mar 02 02:45:46 how do you feel about the GPS on this? Mar 02 02:45:51 in LA it was pretty accurate Mar 02 02:46:01 I refuse to buy an N810. Mar 02 02:46:04 Waste of money for me. Mar 02 02:46:11 ahh Mar 02 02:46:16 everyone @ work had the 800 Mar 02 02:46:19 OMG Mar 02 02:46:20 but I neeeeded a keyboard Mar 02 02:46:28 sbk, bluetooth keyboard :P Mar 02 02:46:40 I have a logitech dinovo edge Mar 02 02:46:46 but I think its wifi :/ Mar 02 02:46:46 * GeneralAntilles does around 40-60wpm on the thumbboard. Mar 02 02:46:52 the thumbpad is only a tad better than the vkb Mar 02 02:46:52 So it's not really an issue. Mar 02 02:46:59 GeneralAntilles, you're a special case Mar 02 02:47:03 >_> Mar 02 02:47:06 Wifi keyboard? <_< Mar 02 02:47:13 I think so dude Mar 02 02:47:16 You mean Logitech's proprietary 2.4GHz, surely? Mar 02 02:47:16 lol Mar 02 02:47:26 http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/394/192&cl=us,en Mar 02 02:47:27 see Mar 02 02:47:31 I got it like last yr Mar 02 02:47:33 yeah GeneralAntilles Mar 02 02:47:39 Thumb is a LOT better than vkb Mar 02 02:47:51 plug it into an N800 via USB host Mar 02 02:47:55 GeneralAntilles, says you Mar 02 02:48:07 I can't believe the prices Logitech gets away with for that silicone nipple trash. Mar 02 02:48:14 yeah, seriously Mar 02 02:48:16 Modern keyboard are all shit. Mar 02 02:48:22 hey, I have a problem with my wrists Mar 02 02:48:24 and typing Mar 02 02:48:24 They should go bluetooth >_> Mar 02 02:48:29 that thing worked out great for me Mar 02 02:48:31 Thank goodness Unicomp is around to bring some small sanity. Mar 02 02:48:48 They used to be BT, Navi, but they moved back to proprietary for some reason. Mar 02 02:48:54 :o Mar 02 02:48:55 Oh yeah Mar 02 02:49:01 my friend has a logitech BT keyboard Mar 02 02:49:09 It's really hard to find BT mice these days. Mar 02 02:49:13 I had the older version of the one I showed you Mar 02 02:49:17 the "dinovo" Mar 02 02:49:20 that was bluetooth Mar 02 02:49:28 but I gave it away when I got my dinovo edge Mar 02 02:49:45 brb gents Mar 02 02:50:01 btw Mar 02 02:50:03 this site rocks Mar 02 02:50:04 http://www.gronmayer.com/it/ Mar 02 02:50:12 waste. of. money. Mar 02 02:50:25 Unicomp's keyboards are so expensive :P Mar 02 02:50:52 Heckuva lot cheaper than that Dinovo. . . . Mar 02 02:50:59 Last 5x as long, too. Mar 02 02:52:19 spp Mar 02 02:52:23 supp Mar 02 02:52:28 http://pckeyboards.stores.yahoo.net/on10.html <- Sexy Mar 02 02:52:58 hi dospod Mar 02 02:52:59 I want to order a custom Dvorak/Mac/USB one from them. Mar 02 02:53:16 :P Mar 02 02:53:29 hows everyone Mar 02 03:01:19 iGo Stowaway for $37.99 ... that'd work. Mar 02 03:11:15 good dospod Mar 02 03:11:19 How you doing Mar 02 03:11:42 idk think i set up my browser right lol Mar 02 03:11:47 im good Mar 02 03:11:53 I just setup aircrack Mar 02 03:13:21 hmm, my application manager is still out of date Mar 02 03:13:22 what gives Mar 02 03:24:46 hey again Mar 02 03:25:55 these repositories own! Mar 02 03:26:07 best purchase all yr Mar 02 03:27:10 lol Mar 02 03:34:31 Anybody use the iGo Stowaway with an N800? It's not on their compatibility list. Mar 02 03:36:26 it works Mar 02 03:36:28 :) Mar 02 03:36:36 Thanks, Tama^2. :-) Mar 02 03:37:01 I need a keyboard, and that virtual laser one is just a tad too geeky for me. Mar 02 03:37:24 it's not too geeky for me! Mar 02 03:37:29 I want it Mar 02 03:37:30 xD Mar 02 03:37:33 Hehehe Mar 02 03:37:53 Me too, but I just can't see whippin' that out in the middle of a restaurant. Mar 02 03:38:10 And I can get a Stowaway for a lot less. Mar 02 03:38:18 And use it on the couch. :-) Mar 02 03:39:04 any keyboard in a restaurant will make you look like an hopeless geek anyway :P Mar 02 03:39:10 hehehe Mar 02 03:39:40 Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. Mar 02 03:42:40 heh Mar 02 03:42:47 the keyboard on the N810 is adequate enough for me Mar 02 03:43:12 I need a female/female usb adaptor to put my contacts in though :\ Mar 02 03:43:49 I bought an 800. The 810 was too much for my blood. At least until I prove I'm going to use the 800 enough to make it worth it. Mar 02 03:44:07 I just got the 810 yesturday Mar 02 03:44:17 worth every single penny Mar 02 03:44:21 SDuensin, same here Mar 02 03:45:31 Does anyone here actually use the handwriting recognition? Mar 02 03:46:43 I loved Graffiti on the Palm, but I can't get anything meaningful out of the 800. Mar 02 03:48:31 SDuensin, I use it from time to time Mar 02 03:48:51 recognizes my stuff fine Mar 02 03:49:31 I'm still trying to get my accuracy down with the thumb board >_> Mar 02 03:49:37 missing letters suck Mar 02 03:49:52 haha Mar 02 03:49:53 yeah Mar 02 03:52:24 I gotta use the thumb board. The handwriting recognizer kjadslkta asnq eufak wfd for me. Mar 02 03:52:47 haha Mar 02 03:52:54 I havent even tried that before Mar 02 03:53:50 Handwriting works for M e! Mar 02 03:53:58 well, with a hitch. Mar 02 03:54:02 :P Mar 02 03:54:07 Someone insane needs to port Graffiti. Mar 02 03:55:03 I have the speed on highest Mar 02 03:55:14 and it recognizes most of my letters Mar 02 03:55:31 the only letters I have trouble with are y/u and k Mar 02 03:55:36 Maybe I just need to tweak it. Mar 02 03:55:48 teach it your handwriting. Mar 02 03:55:59 It's sad, but 99% of my use of the 800 so far has been reading books. Mar 02 03:56:00 the default handwriting set almost matches up with mine. Mar 02 03:56:25 Maybe I'll teach it Graffiti. Mar 02 03:57:19 this 810 is totally louder than my macbook when using xmms Mar 02 03:57:26 hehehe Mar 02 03:57:57 battery is almost toast tho, from installing OS08 and all the apps I need :P Mar 02 03:58:44 Yea - WTF is up with the flash tool telling you to UNPLUG the device? Everyone else demands AC power during a flash! Mar 02 03:58:45 * Navi makes a video of him writing awesomeness Mar 02 03:58:55 on windows? Mar 02 03:58:56 yah! Mar 02 03:59:01 nah mac Mar 02 03:59:16 flasher doesn't tell you to unplug the device, only to do it so it gets all the way off Mar 02 03:59:28 Kinda both. I use the Windows flasher in VMware on a Mac. Mar 02 03:59:34 ahh Mar 02 03:59:40 you just plug in the USB cable while it's off, run the flasher tool so it waits, and then plug in the power Mar 02 03:59:42 I used the 770Flasher.app Mar 02 03:59:43 then it flashes Mar 02 03:59:54 thats exactly what I did Navi Mar 02 03:59:57 worked flawlessly Mar 02 04:00:04 Then to make it even weirder, I have andLinux installed in Windows in the VM on the Mac. Whew. Mar 02 04:00:20 haha Mar 02 04:00:37 hey on the N810 Mar 02 04:00:48 right above the webcam, is that a light?! Mar 02 04:21:23 :P Mar 02 04:24:17 is there anyway to get an applet so i can type in the url box right there instead of opening a new browser then typing it in. i know google search is there but it searches for it instead go to it Mar 02 04:26:22 on the 810 it already has an applet like that Mar 02 04:26:42 "web shortcut" Mar 02 04:27:17 our web shortcut shoes a button to OS2008 user site Mar 02 04:28:21 thats weak Mar 02 04:28:36 anyway to have n810 work on n800s? Mar 02 04:28:38 oh oh oh Mar 02 04:28:44 "internet search" Mar 02 04:28:44 app Mar 02 04:28:59 I heard you can use OS08 on the 800 Mar 02 04:29:06 but I'm new to this, just got mine yesturday Mar 02 04:29:31 the internet search app is what i meant about google Mar 02 04:29:35 its a search, not a goto Mar 02 04:30:33 oh I see what you mean Mar 02 04:30:37 not positive bro Mar 02 04:30:43 you search all the repositories? Mar 02 04:58:16 Apple overdid it with the iPhone's durability ^^; Mar 02 04:58:39 you mean they are too sturdy? Mar 02 04:58:44 Yessir Mar 02 04:59:02 its awesome Mar 02 04:59:04 anyone else getting a warning about a bad certificate when connecting to google via imap with Modest? Mar 02 04:59:07 ive dropped mine mad times lol Mar 02 04:59:10 I do Mar 02 04:59:13 I did Tama^2 Mar 02 04:59:20 It's okay though Mar 02 04:59:23 just accept :P Mar 02 04:59:28 -_- Mar 02 04:59:33 well thank you very much Mar 02 04:59:39 :P Mar 02 05:00:06 something is wrong with the certificate Mar 02 05:00:13 annoy google about it Mar 02 05:00:47 They'll get back to you in 4-6 months Mar 02 05:00:55 well I am assuming it's not a google problem Mar 02 05:01:15 unlikely they have a broken cert Mar 02 05:03:56 http://www.seeqpod.com <----- is it possible to listen music on n800(os2007? Mar 02 05:44:01 suggestions to manage podcasts? Mar 02 05:48:24 hmm -ao sdl runs at 48khz and -ao esd runs at 44.1khz but internally the mp3 seems to always be decoded at 48khz Mar 02 05:49:22 yawn Mar 02 05:49:37 mp3decsink Mar 02 05:49:38 :) Mar 02 05:49:56 just get that working and forget about that Mar 02 05:50:40 i made a vid that's just at the border of playability with mp3 playback either with dsp or libmad Mar 02 05:51:50 join #maemo Mar 02 05:52:11 hello Mar 02 05:52:29 exit Mar 02 05:52:40 lame Mar 02 05:52:42 KotCzarny: morning... http://pupnik.de/Amazon_306.avi Mar 02 05:53:32 Tama^2: I'm using canola2 for podcasts Mar 02 05:53:47 pupnik, it had to play without any reencoding Mar 02 05:53:58 otherwise it's too much hassle Mar 02 05:54:01 not gonna happen for the general case Mar 02 05:54:10 KotCzarny, I'll say it again, I'd hate to have your sleeping habits Mar 02 05:54:26 navi, good thing you aren't me then Mar 02 05:54:27 :) Mar 02 05:54:30 :D Mar 02 05:54:34 pupnik, it WILL happen Mar 02 05:54:39 not for HD of course Mar 02 05:54:43 It has to happen. Mar 02 05:54:49 but for mp4, yes Mar 02 05:54:54 :) Mar 02 05:55:14 thanks oilinki Mar 02 05:56:32 hmm Mar 02 05:56:46 if i clone whole /dev/mtdblock4 Mar 02 05:56:52 i can restore it later? Mar 02 05:58:25 yes assuming you're not booted on it or mounting it Mar 02 05:58:38 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toROK6C5U-Q& Mar 02 05:58:39 lol Mar 02 05:58:53 does flasher restore it in whole or just partially? Mar 02 05:58:59 how about trying codecs mpeg2video, msmpeg4, wmv1 libtheora etc? Mar 02 05:59:20 pupnik, wmvs are usually low res Mar 02 05:59:27 at least those from web Mar 02 05:59:43 mpeg2 is intensive i guess Mar 02 05:59:52 msmpeg4 is mpeg4 Mar 02 06:00:13 and my guess it will have similiar performance to xvid Mar 02 06:00:13 msmpeg's 'divx 3' according to mencoder Mar 02 06:01:30 well i can benchmark with -vo null to see codec overhead Mar 02 06:02:00 they can have different drawing patterns Mar 02 06:02:15 so it's better to benchmark them in the way you will use them later Mar 02 06:02:43 also -benchmark shows you codec overhead too Mar 02 06:02:53 yes i'll try both Mar 02 06:04:49 havi Mar 02 06:04:53 Navi: ** Mar 02 06:04:54 thats old Mar 02 06:04:57 you ever see the beer 1? Mar 02 06:05:01 :P Mar 02 06:05:03 yes Mar 02 06:05:06 those same out the same day Mar 02 06:05:09 as the iphoone Mar 02 06:05:21 I was searching like a motherfucker for that Mar 02 06:05:22 haha Mar 02 06:21:39 KotCzarny: you need to disable -vo to see effect of codec load Mar 02 06:22:34 mpeg2 ran 1000 frames @ 25fps in 18.386 seconds, wmv1 ran in 27.684 seconds Mar 02 06:23:29 but you won't know how much will they actually draw on screen Mar 02 06:23:47 but it's nice to know that mpeg2 is faster Mar 02 06:23:48 :) Mar 02 06:23:52 screen is bandwidth limited anyway Mar 02 06:24:32 yes Mar 02 06:24:39 that's why it's important too Mar 02 06:25:47 how fast do you think mplayer can draw yuv video to 800x480 screen without codec cpu load Mar 02 06:26:04 it doesn't draw whole frame at a time Mar 02 06:26:14 it can be enough to update only part of it Mar 02 06:26:16 i guess Mar 02 06:26:24 that's why it can matter Mar 02 06:26:53 they say bandwidth is 18M Mar 02 06:27:17 echo $[800*480*2*25/1024] Mar 02 06:27:17 18750 Mar 02 06:27:24 that'w 25fps Mar 02 06:27:39 in 16bpp Mar 02 06:30:00 ok well i now have 800x480 video that decodes at ~30fps without sound Mar 02 06:30:25 echo $[800*480*2*30/1024] Mar 02 06:30:25 22500 Mar 02 06:30:30 with -vo null Mar 02 06:31:40 with xv it gets 25.589 fps @400mhz Mar 02 06:31:49 w/o sound Mar 02 06:31:50 ;) Mar 02 06:32:06 so mpeg2 could do fullscreen video Mar 02 06:32:11 full-res that is Mar 02 06:32:24 with dspmp3 if we could keep 400mhz Mar 02 06:32:33 in sync Mar 02 06:32:34 :) Mar 02 06:32:45 that would be the problem Mar 02 06:32:49 however at 333mhz Mar 02 06:34:01 it only gets 16.54 fps Mar 02 06:34:54 plus it doesn't look very good Mar 02 06:36:20 hi again Mar 02 06:36:44 hello Mar 02 06:37:16 however with my bordercase amazon video it always looks smoother with gstreamer than with libmad Mar 02 06:37:37 :) Mar 02 06:41:05 is therea button that works like the enter button? Mar 02 06:41:12 dpad Mar 02 06:41:12 like one of the directions on the dpad? Mar 02 06:41:23 400x240 mp4 benchmarks at 43.40 fps Mar 02 06:41:31 whenever i press the middle one it opens the keyboard Mar 02 06:41:34 400x240 if pff Mar 02 06:41:35 is there an IRC client for maemo? Mar 02 06:41:42 christefano, xchat Mar 02 06:41:42 yes Mar 02 06:41:46 clin: change that in prefs Mar 02 06:41:49 thanks Mar 02 06:41:52 xchat, pidgin, irssi Mar 02 06:42:24 but even 400x240 gets jerky playback with libmad here Mar 02 06:42:58 I just ordered an n810 and am gathering a few programs Mar 02 06:43:22 chrinsefano: in short, every linux program should work Mar 02 06:43:26 after compiling Mar 02 06:43:36 that is false Mar 02 06:43:40 'should' Mar 02 06:43:41 ;) Mar 02 06:44:10 most of the software i have tried compiled without a problem Mar 02 06:44:14 and ran fine too Mar 02 06:44:15 liar ! xD Mar 02 06:44:21 that's exactly what draws me to it :) Mar 02 06:44:55 i haven't tried compiling firefox, though ;) Mar 02 06:45:17 is there a minimo for maemo yet? Mar 02 06:46:35 HANDWRITlNG Test Mar 02 06:47:07 you have done well, padawan Mar 02 06:47:24 now try this backwards Mar 02 06:47:25 ;) Mar 02 06:47:58 Heya! Mar 02 06:59:27 http://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/Build/Maemo_Build_Instructions Mar 02 06:59:29 o.o Mar 02 06:59:37 anyone has spare cpu power? Mar 02 06:59:37 :) Mar 02 07:05:41 GooDNight Computer Mar 02 07:05:45 go go Mar 02 07:09:54 is aircrack available for chinook? Mar 02 07:46:21 Morning, all Mar 02 07:49:33 is there a xchat .deb for os2008? Mar 02 07:49:42 probably Mar 02 07:49:48 yes Mar 02 07:50:00 can't find it :/ Mar 02 07:50:11 http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ Mar 02 07:50:31 isn't that rm -rf ? Mar 02 07:50:44 ? Mar 02 07:50:52 no Mar 02 07:51:13 in all *nic books it's -rf Mar 02 07:51:14 ;) Mar 02 07:51:15 though i hadn't actually looked at the domain name like that before :P lol Mar 02 07:51:18 *nix Mar 02 07:51:24 yes, usually Mar 02 07:52:06 rm-rf was already taken probably Mar 02 07:52:11 sahweeet. Mar 02 07:55:30 thanksies Mar 02 07:55:50 pidgin hogs the whole screen Mar 02 07:56:03 you see 3.5 lines Mar 02 07:56:14 pidgin sucks. Mar 02 07:56:32 :) Mar 02 07:56:47 i think it's decent Mar 02 07:56:50 hrm, i used canola cleanup cause it had a problem detecting files but now i can't download Mar 02 07:56:59 but not on maemo Mar 02 07:57:01 everything fails in application manager even though the internet works Mar 02 07:57:13 :> Mar 02 07:57:20 canola sucka? Mar 02 07:57:22 sucks Mar 02 07:57:23 :) Mar 02 07:57:30 well, obviously now i know Mar 02 07:57:40 i cant install any applications Mar 02 07:57:44 >:( Mar 02 07:57:59 run terminal and then apt-get something Mar 02 07:58:13 at least it will show you what's wrong Mar 02 07:58:20 or see the logs option in app-manager Mar 02 07:58:39 ok Mar 02 07:59:00 man, this thing is annoyin. sometimes the key responds slow or the dpadjams and goes down a lot Mar 02 07:59:52 says fail to fetch, something about a read only file system Mar 02 07:59:54 how did that happen Mar 02 08:00:05 corruption Mar 02 08:00:07 :> Mar 02 08:00:11 reboot Mar 02 08:00:22 not using locking for read only lock file filepatch Mar 02 08:00:28 if that won't help connect via usb and chkdsk Mar 02 08:00:28 :) Mar 02 08:00:33 reboot? turn off and turn on? Mar 02 08:00:36 i did that already Mar 02 08:00:40 ok, guess i need tochkdsk Mar 02 08:05:07 how do I *exit* UKMP!? >_> Mar 02 08:05:37 killall ? Mar 02 08:05:38 :) Mar 02 08:05:45 try clicking menu button Mar 02 08:05:55 i can hit the home button and close it with the X button, or kill via terminal... but it doesn't properly close >_> Mar 02 08:06:11 kill -9 ? Mar 02 08:06:12 :> Mar 02 08:06:34 it leaves music playing in the background <_< Mar 02 08:06:42 probably more to it Mar 02 08:06:46 yeah. Mar 02 08:06:46 ps ax|grep -i okmp Mar 02 08:06:49 ps ax|grep -i ukmp Mar 02 08:07:07 i was more hoping that there was an actual exit feature somewhere Mar 02 08:07:13 and i just failed at finding it Mar 02 08:07:26 last time i used it it closed properly Mar 02 08:07:34 but it's medialibrarized Mar 02 08:07:37 was there a button or something? Mar 02 08:07:38 *sucks* Mar 02 08:07:44 >_> Mar 02 08:07:49 i don't know, i have uninstalled it Mar 02 08:07:50 :) Mar 02 08:08:09 is opera for 2008 available? Mar 02 08:08:17 probably Mar 02 08:08:25 i wish >_> Mar 02 08:08:27 havent seen it Mar 02 08:08:40 os2k7 wersion doesn't work? Mar 02 08:09:04 whattt, how is my memory card in use if nothing is open Mar 02 08:09:10 i don't think so Mar 02 08:09:18 clin, swap? Mar 02 08:09:49 i think mozilla's is too memory hungry, i'd like to try opera Mar 02 08:09:51 how can i check Mar 02 08:10:00 type free in terminal Mar 02 08:10:11 and see if it's enabled Mar 02 08:10:13 oh man this thing is lagging like crazy, but when i hook it up via usb to my computer, it speeds up Mar 02 08:10:31 says swap : 0 0 0 Mar 02 08:10:35 clin: media-crawler Mar 02 08:10:37 :> Mar 02 08:10:47 whats that Mar 02 08:10:56 hog. Mar 02 08:10:58 ;) Mar 02 08:11:06 i have disabled it altogether Mar 02 08:11:13 i don't use media libraries Mar 02 08:11:17 how do i know if thats the source? Mar 02 08:11:23 anyone managed to make os2008 use ntp server provided by dhcp? Mar 02 08:11:24 run terminal Mar 02 08:11:27 and type: top Mar 02 08:11:29 i mean, i just rebooted so idont know why its like this Mar 02 08:11:33 then: shift-p Mar 02 08:11:47 media-crawler crawls your data files ALL the time Mar 02 08:11:49 how did you disable media-crawler? Mar 02 08:12:02 rm_you: /etc/rc2.d/ Mar 02 08:12:09 k Mar 02 08:12:15 and remove or rename Scosmethingmedia-crawler Mar 02 08:12:18 holy shit Mar 02 08:12:18 to Ksomething Mar 02 08:12:23 metalayer-crawl Mar 02 08:12:27 96% cpu Mar 02 08:12:30 ah, yes, metalayer-crawl Mar 02 08:12:31 FUCK THAT Mar 02 08:12:38 what is it and can i get rid of it Mar 02 08:12:44 just wait it off Mar 02 08:12:57 mmcqd is 35% Mar 02 08:12:59 after a while it will get down to reasonable cpu usage Mar 02 08:13:02 metalayer went down to 1 Mar 02 08:13:25 i dont see media crawler though Mar 02 08:13:28 it crawls EVERYTHING after you connect via usb or reboot the device Mar 02 08:13:39 there's only 6 processes Mar 02 08:13:45 when i was saying media-crawler i meant metalayer-crawl Mar 02 08:13:52 oh Mar 02 08:14:10 how long will it take? Mar 02 08:14:11 if you want to know more about it just google Mar 02 08:14:19 that depends on how many files you have Mar 02 08:14:21 :> Mar 02 08:14:33 cani disable it without any consequences? Mar 02 08:14:35 for me it was 10-120 seconds Mar 02 08:15:11 do large files slow it down? i just put in my music which was around 2 gigs Mar 02 08:15:23 if you want to have all your mp3/videos/images automatically added to your media library then you have to keep it running Mar 02 08:15:55 just google about it Mar 02 08:15:56 :) Mar 02 08:16:02 i can be wrong Mar 02 08:16:04 well i mean in programslike canola don't they have that refreshoption that does it for you? and i am, im reading some thread on ITT Mar 02 08:16:06 i'm not an expert Mar 02 08:16:07 :) Mar 02 08:18:25 yeah i dont use any of the builtin media stuff Mar 02 08:18:34 so the crawler is kind of useless Mar 02 08:18:41 more than that Mar 02 08:18:44 it's a hog. Mar 02 08:18:45 ;) Mar 02 08:19:05 oh man Mar 02 08:19:07 im disabling it Mar 02 08:19:12 i cant even type root Mar 02 08:19:19 it goes rooooott Mar 02 08:19:23 or rottttttt Mar 02 08:19:26 or rrroootttt Mar 02 08:19:32 use ssh Mar 02 08:19:33 :) Mar 02 08:20:02 oh yea Mar 02 08:21:20 when i type kill metalayer-crawl is says bad pid Mar 02 08:21:28 use killall Mar 02 08:21:36 kill needs numerical pid Mar 02 08:21:46 wouldnt that kill all processes? Mar 02 08:22:00 read what killall does Mar 02 08:22:01 killing it wont help, it autorestarts Mar 02 08:22:06 you need to run: Mar 02 08:22:21 /etc/init.d/metalayer-crawler0 stop Mar 02 08:22:42 wouldnt it just start up again when i reboot? Mar 02 08:22:56 yes Mar 02 08:23:02 i just followed some guys advice and renamed it Mar 02 08:23:03 you'd need to remove it from the default runlevel Mar 02 08:23:07 added .deactivate at the end Mar 02 08:25:48 canola-conf is metalayer-crawler's cousin done by canola team. It is a bit funny, they are from Nokia too but instead of making one good media scanning daemon together, they chose to make two (less good) ones. Mar 02 08:25:50 eheheh Mar 02 08:25:53 canola sucks. Mar 02 08:25:54 ;) Mar 02 08:26:12 what do u use for media? Mar 02 08:26:19 mplayer and playfilelist Mar 02 08:26:21 ;) Mar 02 08:26:33 playfilelist? Mar 02 08:26:40 it's my ncurses ui to mplayer Mar 02 08:26:46 oh Mar 02 08:26:54 a hacked version of playmp3list Mar 02 08:27:25 ncurses ui is the best Mar 02 08:27:30 got a link? Mar 02 08:27:41 one can run it on a 'screen' and log out Mar 02 08:27:44 erm Mar 02 08:27:49 i'm still developing it Mar 02 08:28:00 if you like i can give you a source/binary Mar 02 08:28:02 speaking of screen, when i ssh into my n800, i cant use screen Mar 02 08:28:04 says its not found Mar 02 08:28:18 install it, doh. Mar 02 08:28:26 oh, thought it came installed Mar 02 08:28:37 most of good *nix stuff is optional Mar 02 08:28:52 luls Mar 02 08:28:56 but available fortunately Mar 02 08:28:57 :) Mar 02 08:31:38 http://madabar.com/exailemaemo/ Mar 02 08:31:40 YES! Mar 02 08:31:42 :> Mar 02 08:32:04 files tag looks promising from screenshot Mar 02 08:32:36 is there a way to change fot size? Mar 02 08:32:44 font Mar 02 08:32:51 or type? Mar 02 08:32:58 probably Mar 02 08:33:05 hehe Mar 02 08:33:07 via gtk-themes i guess Mar 02 08:33:11 haha, i was just looking at that after you said canola sucks Mar 02 08:33:15 saw it in some thread on itt Mar 02 08:33:20 yes Mar 02 08:33:25 does look nice though Mar 02 08:33:29 reminds me of foobar Mar 02 08:42:37 http://www.seeqpod.com <----- is it possible to listen music on n800(os2007? Mar 02 08:43:34 does that site works anyway? Mar 02 08:43:34 i tried,no go Mar 02 08:43:42 looks broken in my firefox Mar 02 08:44:05 its great on standard comouters Mar 02 08:44:15 doesn't work on mine Mar 02 08:44:18 :) Mar 02 08:44:28 also woonz.com Mar 02 08:44:41 same thing Mar 02 08:45:00 it's a flash Mar 02 08:45:04 probably badly written Mar 02 08:45:06 :> Mar 02 09:15:16 ssvb, you around? Mar 02 09:15:40 dookdook: yes Mar 02 09:16:19 i'm having some more compile errors...i'm sorry, i'm still a little fuzzy on what exactly is going on Mar 02 09:16:28 Error: selected processor does not support `usat lr,#8,lr' Mar 02 09:16:44 compiled with: -mcpu=arm926ej-s -g3 -mtune=arm1136j-s Mar 02 09:18:23 dookdook: nokia 770 does not support usat instruction Mar 02 09:18:32 i've got a nokia n800 Mar 02 09:18:40 thats what i'm trying to compile for Mar 02 09:18:53 leave out -mcpu and mtune ? Mar 02 09:19:05 dookdook: but you are compiling code compatible with 770 Mar 02 09:19:24 just set -mcpu=arm1136jf-s Mar 02 09:20:00 you can 'man gcc' Mar 02 09:20:11 ach, yes, thank you... Mar 02 09:27:13 ssvb: pls see http://pupnik.de/Amazon_240.avi - i can not get smooth playback with libmad but i can running nosound and a dspmp3 task in the background Mar 02 09:29:26 600kb/s 400x240 xvid mpeg4 with vbr mp3 Mar 02 09:29:38 using .24 Mar 02 09:29:43 use .25 Mar 02 09:29:54 .24 has a bug with slow xvid decoding Mar 02 09:30:01 mm? thanks Mar 02 09:31:33 http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/chinook/free/m/mplayer/mplayer_1.0rc1-maemo.25.n8x0_armel.deb Mar 02 09:32:05 * BTobotras uses multimedia player out of the box -- does he loose something exciting w/mplayer? Mar 02 09:32:30 as long as it suits you, no Mar 02 09:32:31 :) Mar 02 09:32:41 hey it's noticeably better Mar 02 09:32:55 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16986 Mar 02 09:33:04 here you have changes since .24 Mar 02 09:33:52 wrong link Mar 02 09:34:01 oh bad paste Mar 02 09:34:02 sorry Mar 02 09:39:24 pupnik: the difference is in "Fixed issue #2091 ('nokia770 video driver does not get enabled on N810')", xv video output is still slow Mar 02 09:39:56 what about: * Fixed issue #1962 ('mp4(divx) playing VERY slowly with MPlayer 1.0rc1-maemo.24.n8x0') ? Mar 02 09:39:57 :) Mar 02 09:40:57 KotCzarny: that is a bugfix for proper mp4 container files support, it has nothing to do with avi files Mar 02 09:41:19 then description is misleading Mar 02 09:41:20 :) Mar 02 09:42:08 the description is fine, it mentions mp4 container format with divx encoded data in it Mar 02 09:43:06 anyway, that's the summary of the following bugreport: https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1962&group_id=54&atid=269 Mar 02 09:43:07 one usually thinks avi is just a header and index for encoded data Mar 02 09:44:18 hey KotCzarny i asked you earlier about the enter button, where is it in the prefernce? only option i find is having dpad open the finder keyboard Mar 02 09:45:35 text input -> launch inger keyboard with []: Mar 02 09:45:53 thats what i found. if i unselect it, does it act as enter? Mar 02 09:46:00 probably Mar 02 09:49:48 does libmad always render audio to 48khz? i speficied -af resample=22050:2 in mencoder (mplayer reports AUDIO: 48000 Hz, 2 ch, s16le, 80.0 kbit/) Mar 02 09:50:11 thst's a source file format Mar 02 09:50:22 not what is ctually rendered by mplayer Mar 02 09:51:12 how do i force a lower mp3 encoder rate with mencoder? i'm trying Mar 02 09:51:16 mencoder Amazon_720.wmv -o Amazion_400b.avi -af volnorm -af resample=22050:2 -af channels=2 -oac mp3lame -lameopts lowpassfreq=11025:vbr=2:q=8 -vf-add scale=520:312 -ovc xvid -xvidencopts bitrate=800:me_quality=6:vhq=4:lumi_mask:gmc:pass=2 -ofps 25 -force-avi-aspect 800/480 Mar 02 09:51:51 hmm, or i may be wrong Mar 02 09:51:56 :) Mar 02 09:52:19 add -srate 22050 Mar 02 09:52:20 mplayer on PC also says the audio is 48khz Mar 02 09:52:32 after -af Mar 02 09:52:55 -af resample=22050 -srate 22050 Mar 02 09:53:07 ok Mar 02 09:53:09 but 22khz sucks. Mar 02 09:53:19 don't go lower than 32khz Mar 02 09:54:01 also i noticed that the -ao sdl runs at 48khz but -ao esd runs at 44100 khz on the backend Mar 02 09:55:39 for some things, low fi audio is ok if it buys me better performance Mar 02 09:56:16 you will have to reencode when that mp3decsink will be fixed Mar 02 09:56:27 thanks for the -srate tip - that worked Mar 02 09:56:52 funny now i'm getting crazy bitrates reported Mar 02 09:56:55 VIDEO: [XVID] 520x312 12bpp 25.000 fps 42469.7 kbps (5184.3 kbyte/s) Mar 02 09:57:10 :) Mar 02 09:57:14 but it plays ok? Mar 02 09:57:23 yes on PC it reports Mar 02 09:57:26 VIDEO: [XVID] 520x312 12bpp 25.000 fps -17179870.0 kbps (-2097152.0 kbyte/s) Mar 02 09:57:46 i was changing the xvid bitrate - i think I specified 800 Mar 02 10:12:05 argh it was just because the file was incomplete that the br was reported wrong Mar 02 10:16:11 # Mar 02 10:16:11 It appears that regardless of the memory cards being unused (or even umounted), they do not enter low power mode. Is this a problem with the cards, with the OS or just an unfortunate combination of card model+OS? Mar 02 10:16:15 http://www.drlinux.it/maemo/battery_consumption.html Mar 02 10:16:22 can anyone comment on that? Mar 02 10:20:16 <`0660_> well, when i removed the memory card that came with the device from the external slot my battery seems to have lasted a lot longer Mar 02 10:20:44 yes, the font is too small ;) as for the situation itself i am unhappy with how quickly the 810 drains Mar 02 10:20:47 <`0660_> a lot more longer in fact, but in the other hand that's just a gut feeling :) Mar 02 10:20:58 hum Mar 02 10:21:16 * KotCzarny has 2sd cards inserted into n800 Mar 02 10:21:32 i should do some battery tests Mar 02 10:22:59 <`0660_> would be nice to have more tests written about that topic Mar 02 10:23:37 at least someone hacked a battery meter tool Mar 02 10:23:38 :) Mar 02 10:25:14 people - the problem with the long version number - is there any workaround? besides disabling repository.maemo.org chinook free ? Mar 02 10:25:27 ll i know about the battery is that i have returned to my device far too oten to find it totally dead Mar 02 10:25:36 veggen: file a bug report Mar 02 10:25:51 or just hack /var/lib/dpkg/ Mar 02 10:26:02 naaa Mar 02 10:26:10 battery tests are for losers Mar 02 10:26:20 xD Mar 02 10:26:24 there's only 2 files that have insane version string Mar 02 10:26:40 libfaad2 and faad2, yes. Mar 02 10:26:53 KotCzarny, battery tests make you hate your N800 Mar 02 10:26:56 believe me Mar 02 10:27:01 hehe Mar 02 10:27:12 i've read that n810 is even worse Mar 02 10:27:16 in that matter Mar 02 10:27:24 (or was it other way around?) Mar 02 10:28:09 i know the 810 is bad, and i cant even unplug a memory card to test if its that Mar 02 10:29:52 How does one disable the word completition bar when using a BT keyboard? Mar 02 10:30:49 tama, its in the control panel quite well buried away, if you start messing about in control panel tho you will hate your n8x0 ;) Mar 02 10:31:03 nah Mar 02 10:31:08 it's only first time Mar 02 10:31:09 Without any memory card inserted my N800 battery lasts almost 9 days Mar 02 10:31:15 then your setup will be optimal Mar 02 10:31:16 buried where? Mar 02 10:31:19 :) Mar 02 10:31:25 O.o Mar 02 10:31:25 hmm Mar 02 10:31:32 please help me Mar 02 10:31:33 but without any memory card it's no fun Mar 02 10:31:34 :) Mar 02 10:31:51 though i can consider 1gb vs 12gb Mar 02 10:31:53 (: Mar 02 10:32:07 if that would mean better times Mar 02 10:32:22 btw it is creepy to see ppl quoting me in chan, I will have to pull that webpage xD Mar 02 10:32:33 ;) Mar 02 10:32:46 control panel/ text input settings / language tab/ settings button. but its for always - you cant decide sometimes with, and sometimes without Mar 02 10:32:58 tama: then add info about you on the page Mar 02 10:33:04 ah, I see Mar 02 10:33:05 nick@irc-net Mar 02 10:33:45 KotCzarny, I am shy ;_; Mar 02 10:34:00 thanks lcuk2 Mar 02 10:34:29 shy, but you have a google accessible website? Mar 02 10:34:32 :) Mar 02 10:34:58 I was looking for a way to disable it only for the keyboard, I guess that will have to do Mar 02 10:35:06 well I am not really shy ;) Mar 02 10:36:48 hmm Mar 02 10:36:55 looks like n800 is superior to n810 Mar 02 10:36:57 :> Mar 02 10:37:01 http://beans.seartipy.com/2007/10/19/n800-vs-n810-or-who-should-consider-buying-nokia-n810/ Mar 02 10:37:12 * KotCzarny happy Mar 02 10:38:27 nahhh, 800 is great if you can cope with covering the screen or want diff mem cards, but the 810 is more rounded and accessible to a none tablet person. i looked and thought @hmmm@ at 800, but just drooled at 810 and had to get it Mar 02 10:38:52 N810's styling is very drool worthy Mar 02 10:39:03 hum Mar 02 10:39:10 even tho now i am typing with an apple keyboard i prefer having a full board for when i am away from my pit Mar 02 10:39:11 Here's hoping OS2009 is a big jump in shiny s/w Mar 02 10:39:34 it cant be that big a jump really else they will lose compatability Mar 02 10:40:09 if you don't mind hildonization most of apps can be recompiled Mar 02 10:40:14 so it's not a problem Mar 02 10:40:38 you can make pretty big changes without breaking API compatibility, especially in the user facing apps Mar 02 10:40:59 lcuk2: I reckon they can sort many of the UI issues without changing the API (if not the ABI) Mar 02 10:41:17 yer but if they up the shinyness the 8x0 will struggle to cope cpu power wise, not api compatability Mar 02 10:41:23 True Mar 02 10:41:29 its already at limits for most things now Mar 02 10:41:32 Damn the real world Mar 02 10:41:35 :) Mar 02 10:41:55 upgradeable cpu would be nice Mar 02 10:41:55 Yeah, whomever thought auto-scrolling on the RSS applet was a good idea on a battery, CPU and GPU-constrained device needs to be shot. Mar 02 10:42:22 well, we could have a free upgrade if we could get it pointed in the right direction Mar 02 10:42:51 autoscrolling can be disabled Mar 02 10:42:51 we have coprocessors just lying idle right now ;( Mar 02 10:43:03 and it does not scroll when it is not exposed Mar 02 10:43:15 i disabled the rss applet but osso rss reader still runs - how can i kill it Mar 02 10:43:29 for all time Mar 02 10:44:30 do you have it on auto refresh feeds? Mar 02 10:44:50 i never configured it - it had what it came with - i just removed it from desktop Mar 02 10:45:25 morning Mar 02 10:45:58 let me check I have a fresh install too Mar 02 10:46:07 thanks tho, i just re-enabled it, configured and found it was set - why should it update if its not in use? Mar 02 10:46:17 no rss threads in my ps ax Mar 02 10:46:35 lcuk: for faster access? Mar 02 10:46:42 they update whenever i reconnected to wifi Mar 02 10:47:05 so i got a cpu spike of about 50% for about a minute Mar 02 10:48:58 maemo-launcher uses 3% cpu constantly, i wonder what is it doing Mar 02 10:49:05 i noticed it because i would reconnect and instantly try to test my program it would go slow Mar 02 10:49:12 launching things obviously Mar 02 10:49:19 ;) Mar 02 10:49:20 obviously not Mar 02 10:49:29 pids are not increasing Mar 02 10:50:15 i noticed xomap was taking lots Mar 02 10:50:17 reading dbus noise maybe Mar 02 10:50:24 hmm Mar 02 10:50:49 let's strace it Mar 02 10:50:51 *grin* Mar 02 10:50:55 also consider that 3% when idle is 3% @ 165MHz Mar 02 10:50:58 not much Mar 02 10:51:14 thats #% more than it should be for an idle device Mar 02 10:51:21 3 even Mar 02 10:51:23 still, 3% @ 165 is more than 0 Mar 02 10:51:24 :) Mar 02 10:51:46 yes, it's polling constantly Mar 02 10:53:08 It's interesting, I have flashed OS2007 and went back to OS2008 and now touchscreen pressure works (before it would not) Mar 02 10:53:18 polling what? Mar 02 10:53:37 how do you measure pressure? Mar 02 10:53:50 how can i ask strace to report fd names? Mar 02 10:54:07 does anyone know about x11 xevents? - i have been attempting to slow my program down when no events occur (i call into xnextevent) but i am constantly getting an event type of 65 but cant seem to identify it from the event mask or anywhere in the headers. any ideas? Mar 02 10:54:12 maemopad plus would not detect any difference in the stylus pressure Mar 02 10:54:17 now it does Mar 02 10:54:46 if you reflashed perhaps it reset the maemopad+ setting for @pressure sensitive@ ;) Mar 02 10:54:52 lcuk: you can set a mask what events you want to receive Mar 02 10:55:13 yes i know and i masked it to only keypress and release Mar 02 10:55:21 but this ev 65 still occured Mar 02 10:55:23 nah I checked that before and it was already set to be pressure sensitive Mar 02 10:55:40 lcuk: maybe some emulated key event? Mar 02 10:55:40 ;) Mar 02 10:56:07 i got rid of everything i could, im tempted to think its a screen finished updating event but i dont like assumptions Mar 02 10:56:38 tama: http://pastebin.com/mddc3b44 Mar 02 10:56:49 woo! cheap usb keyboard is go! Mar 02 10:57:08 that's the part repeated ~2 times per second Mar 02 10:57:11 * aquatix really should get a usb host cable Mar 02 10:57:31 aquatix, I just got a usb female-female Mar 02 10:57:35 johnx, i tried that before i got this apple board Mar 02 10:57:43 poll instead of select, mmmm Mar 02 10:57:45 but i didnt like the fiddly wires Mar 02 10:58:20 the female to female isn't a wire, neither is the mini-b to A-male Mar 02 10:58:25 they're both short adapters Mar 02 10:58:33 and on 810 i cant plug it in with the kickstand closed Mar 02 10:58:44 lcuk2 same with N800 Mar 02 10:58:53 wireless kbd ftw! Mar 02 10:58:54 :) Mar 02 10:58:54 so i cant use my cradle with it Mar 02 10:58:56 Wow, the app-manager hate me. doesn't start. so, I will only use apt Mar 02 10:59:03 that's not so great, but I won't use the keyboard unless I'm at a flat surface anyways, so I don't see the point in wireless Mar 02 10:59:17 kikka, the app manager hates *everyone* Mar 02 10:59:28 mine, works Mar 02 10:59:29 :) Mar 02 10:59:33 mmmmmmmmy wireless is working for a distanceeeeee of about 2 inches, but its a very important distance that no wire can cross cleanly Mar 02 10:59:37 but i have broken apt-get Mar 02 10:59:38 ;) Mar 02 10:59:47 ooooh, this stutter is bad occasionally Mar 02 10:59:49 KotCzarny: i have an iGo and i'm loving it :) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Mar 02 10:59:57 2008