**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Mar 03 10:59:56 2008 Mar 03 11:06:32 pygtk is available in haf? what is the sources.list apt entry for it? Mar 03 11:11:38 ok, had to use, deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras bora free non-free Mar 03 11:18:45 hmm... lack of python in maemo? Mar 03 11:47:47 Hey, just wondering abut this. I use my n770 at school, but if I try to get on one of the wifi nets, it'll try, and then say Network Error. It's a completely open network, and my friend with a PSP can get on and surf fine. Any ideas? Mar 03 11:53:18 Any ideas? Mar 03 11:55:07 do you have xterm on it? Mar 03 11:55:24 not sure, but maybe there's iwconfig on it, with which you can see some info Mar 03 11:56:35 yes I do Mar 03 11:56:46 (have xterm) Mar 03 11:57:50 It's weird, I can connect to my home net and stuff. In the beginning of the year, I was trying the same thing, I remember I got on , but that had to do with some weird DNS settings tht the router had, although this is a network where you'd normally log into Mar 03 11:58:16 ah Mar 03 11:58:16 (I can login , if I needed to, but a friend can get it without loggin in on his PSP, so) Mar 03 11:58:21 does it use radius? Mar 03 11:58:25 hm Mar 03 11:58:29 I'm not familiar with what that is Mar 03 11:58:38 it's a linksys router, prolly wrt54g Mar 03 11:59:01 but normally you have to login on the network Mar 03 11:59:04 how exactly? Mar 03 11:59:23 well, they have their win boxes, you know, win network logon, login/password Mar 03 11:59:34 ah, k Mar 03 11:59:48 i thought maybe some authentication for the wifi itself Mar 03 12:00:06 naaa, it's an open network if that's what you mean Mar 03 12:00:10 that's why i mentioned radius [that's some authentication server for wifi] Mar 03 12:00:12 ok Mar 03 12:00:13 odd Mar 03 12:00:28 yeah, it just makes no sense, when a PSP can getit :P Mar 03 12:00:39 the psp also gets IP and such? Mar 03 12:01:19 yes Mar 03 12:01:29 it can roam on the web Mar 03 12:02:39 any ideas? I'm about to leave for school , aquatix :P Mar 03 12:02:53 nope :( Mar 03 12:03:00 it should Just Work(tm) imho Mar 03 12:03:03 ok, thanks :P' Mar 03 12:03:04 haha Mar 03 12:03:05 but apparently it doesn't Mar 03 12:03:07 seeya Mar 03 12:03:11 ok, hf Mar 03 13:12:33 i wonder why the firmware flashing wiki page says that the battery should be fully charged before flashing Mar 03 13:12:50 because it would really suck a lot if you ran out of batter power while flashing Mar 03 13:14:07 johnx: it says that you should plug in the charger during flashing anyway. Mar 03 13:15:15 hmm...I wonder if it's actually able to charge while flashing Mar 03 13:15:49 probably just one of those cases of "better safe than sorry" Mar 03 13:15:58 i see Mar 03 13:16:01 thanks. Mar 03 13:18:04 It can, johnx. Mar 03 13:19:52 but the user can also pull the cord in the middle of the flash, and it definitely doesn't have a check to see if you have the cord plugged in Mar 03 13:21:25 Or the power could go out. Mar 03 13:21:28 etc, etc Mar 03 13:22:04 it's interesting that it doesn't force you to have the AC plugged int though Mar 03 13:23:14 More complicated than it's worth. Mar 03 13:24:25 I suppose. it would suck a lot of it died while nolo was flashing though Mar 03 13:24:56 s/of it/of something bad if it/g Mar 03 13:24:57 johnx meant: I suppose. it would suck a lot of something bad if it died while nolo was flashing though Mar 03 13:50:44 tonight's hack: hildon desktop on a zaurus :) Mar 03 13:50:59 heh Mar 03 13:51:34 I need to lose the left "navigation bar" bar, but I never liked it anyways Mar 03 13:53:16 johnx: sounds easier than my task... Mar 03 13:53:24 what are you up to? Mar 03 13:53:30 I finished installing the SDK/dev kit on my FC5 box... Mar 03 13:54:12 ...but cannot find/install Xephyr for fc5... so I'm (trying to) upgrade that box t FC8... and the install/upgrade process keeps getting stuck. :/ Mar 03 13:54:50 I've never had good luck with redhat system upgrades Mar 03 13:54:58 did you try to go straight from 5 to 8? Mar 03 13:55:06 that's a lot of numbers... Mar 03 13:56:21 supposedly, it's not a problem... Mar 03 13:56:30 but I think there's an issue with this particular hardware... Mar 03 13:56:55 I sympathize with the you in regards to troublesome hardware :/ Mar 03 13:57:05 I had trouble with it before (3 -> 4, 4 -> 5), too. I can't remember exactly what I had to do to get around it... Mar 03 13:57:14 "nodma" something or other?? :shrug: Mar 03 13:57:36 I just need to stop cheaping out on hardware Mar 03 13:57:43 I always do this to myself Mar 03 14:07:06 is there something wrong with pidgin? didn't see what others write in irc, they saw my writings Mar 03 14:07:39 I know not everyone likes it but I think it at least works for other people Mar 03 14:08:42 it should work in irc then? Mar 03 14:08:51 I think so Mar 03 14:10:39 there isn't irssi for 2008 anywhere? Mar 03 14:11:44 hahlo, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16659&highlight=irssi Mar 03 14:11:51 i've never used it for irc... works for me okay on aim/yahoo IM, though Mar 03 14:11:52 there's also rtcomm irc and xchat Mar 03 14:12:26 johnx: i think the repo is broken for xchat... i couldn't install it Mar 03 14:12:36 good, irssi is my favorite Mar 03 14:15:37 briand, there is no repo. Mar 03 14:15:47 http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ Mar 03 14:16:13 GeneralAntilles: there are several repos! ;) Mar 03 14:16:23 s/repo/xchat repo/ Mar 03 14:16:35 ...and, one of them contains xchat, because it shows up in my application mangler. Mar 03 14:16:50 That would be Bora Extras. Mar 03 14:17:14 s/repo/spoon/ Mar 03 14:17:53 ...my life is measured out in coffee spoons... Mar 03 14:18:13 mmm...coffee Mar 03 14:36:19 * johnx sleeps Mar 03 14:40:15 Morning. Mar 03 14:59:49 well, this "upgrade" thing just isn't working, and I'm getting increasingly annoyed at trying it... Mar 03 15:00:31 so, can anybody help me get Xephyr installed on a Fedora Core 5 installation, since I can't get the machine upgraded to Fedora Core 8 ? Mar 03 15:01:49 i'm having trouble with xephyr too, i think im going to try downloading the vmware image instead Mar 03 15:02:19 the only "trouble" I'm having with xephyr is "finding it" Mar 03 15:03:31 its part of xorg Mar 03 15:03:58 i know on slackware, its not built in slackware Mar 03 15:07:13 apparently, it's not in the Fedora Core 5 repositories Mar 03 15:08:01 i've seen references on the web to it being in the FC7 (and presumably, FC8) repositories, but I'm having no luck upgrading that box to FC8, so... Mar 03 15:13:07 my n800 has been completely lifeless since saturday...any suggestions? Mar 03 15:14:18 today i'm trying to remove the battery for 12 hours or something Mar 03 15:20:13 is there some kind of list which maemo components are open and which are not? Mar 03 15:20:52 jeddy3 - removing battery for several hours, then warming slightly is said to allow a restart Mar 03 15:21:26 pupnik, _warming?_ Mar 03 15:21:38 :) Mar 03 15:21:44 this is just hearsay Mar 03 15:21:48 :D Mar 03 15:22:08 I can set program defaults by editing /usr/share/applications/defaults.list - is there a way to do this without root privs? I'd like my application to give users the option to set the default application. Mar 03 15:22:10 * jeddy3 is gonna fire up the sauna and bring the n800 Mar 03 15:27:58 is there an easy/safe way to prune /usr/share/locale? 14.2 MB of stuff in there Mar 03 15:28:46 osso-help also has 8 MB of stuff i don't need Mar 03 15:30:41 pupnik: debian has localepurge package for it Mar 03 15:30:56 pupnik: or you can remove all not needed locales by hand Mar 03 15:50:48 thanks hrw - i used to just rm -r the unneeded ones, but do you know if something needs to be re-indexed after that? Mar 03 15:51:47 rather nothing Mar 03 15:58:15 k thanks Mar 03 16:01:51 yawn Mar 03 16:14:56 Anyone around the Nashville area? Mar 03 16:15:11 Looking for a presenter for a Linux User Group on the topic of Maemo. Mar 03 16:16:15 desertc: tried internettablettalk.com forums? Mar 03 16:16:28 I'll check there, thanks. Mar 03 16:17:37 You think I should post in the Developers forum? Mar 03 16:18:09 i guess so, or in general Mar 03 16:18:22 you want a user-side intro or an intro to maemo development...? Mar 03 16:19:02 11:13:40 up 1 day, 7:41, load average: 0.04, 0.01, 0.00 Mar 03 16:19:07 I was thinking Intro to Portable Programming, Why Maemo is Best UI for Portables, My Experiences with Maemo Mar 03 16:19:07 not bad Mar 03 16:19:52 desertc: Best? Good Mar 03 16:20:13 Sure Mar 03 16:20:28 I mean: it is not best ui. It is good ui Mar 03 16:20:47 Yeap, I understand. I'm not picky. Mar 03 16:20:56 :> Mar 03 16:20:57 * aquatix has an update of almost 2 days with a load average of 0.00 ;) Mar 03 16:21:07 don't belive him, he picks the onions off of his pizza Mar 03 16:21:09 but i haven't done anything on it for over an hour Mar 03 16:21:17 aquatix: my battery test is still running Mar 03 16:21:18 :) Mar 03 16:21:32 and watching retu-adc value Mar 03 16:21:33 s Mar 03 16:21:59 ah :) Mar 03 16:22:02 i guess on n800 battery voltage is field #6 not #2 as on 770 Mar 03 16:22:39 http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/batt2gp.png Mar 03 16:22:40 :) Mar 03 16:22:50 whoa, wtf: http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/03/eyes-on-asus-first-gaming-desktop-ares-cg6150/ Mar 03 16:22:54 Mar 03 16:23:23 looking at mencoder here - looks like lavc has way more useful options than xvid Mar 03 16:23:24 interesting graph Mar 03 16:23:32 nice case Mar 03 16:23:46 pupnik: lavc has lot of stuff inside Mar 03 16:23:56 aquatix: it would be nice to know what are the meaning of those fields Mar 03 16:24:02 KotCzarny: can you spell Transformer? ;) Mar 03 16:24:10 1 & 4 looks like a temperature Mar 03 16:24:40 4? it's quite a straight line Mar 03 16:24:56 erm Mar 03 16:24:59 maybe more a cpu voltage line or something? Mar 03 16:25:01 i meant red and blue Mar 03 16:25:39 ah, right Mar 03 16:25:55 they are related indeed Mar 03 16:26:03 probably 0 1 and 2 are temperatures Mar 03 16:26:04 case and cpu temp or something Mar 03 16:26:29 * aquatix goes home Mar 03 16:26:32 :) Mar 03 16:28:12 hrw: do you know if lavc can make use of two-pass .log data? or does lavc encoder do lookahead for motion-compensation ? Mar 03 16:28:39 pupnik: iirc it make use of it Mar 03 16:28:52 it is long time since I did video conversion Mar 03 16:30:00 cool. I'm a big fan of throwing-away info from dark regions, and lowering quality at screen edges :) Mar 03 16:30:35 ah yes it does support two-pass Mar 03 16:31:14 gonna crunch this movie to sub-300MB without serious degradation :) Mar 03 16:31:21 pf Mar 03 16:31:22 :) Mar 03 16:31:39 just downscale it ;) Mar 03 16:31:40 there's a lot of black Mar 03 16:31:55 i have to downscale anyway Mar 03 16:32:28 btw - I wonder which software people miss most in maemo repositories Mar 03 16:32:44 games? Mar 03 16:32:45 ;) Mar 03 16:33:09 hm. doom or quake on n810 should be playable ;D Mar 03 16:33:17 ja2 too Mar 03 16:33:18 ;) Mar 03 16:35:12 hrw: ... except for the controls :-) Mar 03 16:35:28 ccooke: indeed Mar 03 16:35:34 external mouse&kb ? Mar 03 16:35:35 :) Mar 03 16:38:28 I even have spare ones Mar 03 16:38:39 but would need usb host cable first Mar 03 16:39:04 bt? Mar 03 16:39:06 :) Mar 03 16:42:34 hi pH5 Mar 03 16:43:08 hej hrw Mar 03 16:43:48 think i should be using vorbis to transcode - if ssvb is making a faster vfp vorbis decoder? Mar 03 16:43:53 ogg/audio Mar 03 16:44:00 test it Mar 03 16:44:50 hi Mar 03 16:50:51 pupnik: it is too early to , in addition vorbis can' Mar 03 16:51:40 pupnik: sorry, messed up the message, I mean it may take a long time to optimize and vorbis is not supported in avi files Mar 03 16:51:46 :) Mar 03 16:52:07 oh mencoder let me put vorbis in just now Mar 03 16:52:11 ssvb: avi is just contener Mar 03 16:52:12 (?) Mar 03 16:52:19 'container' Mar 03 16:52:19 it can contain anything inside Mar 03 16:52:22 i mean ogg audio (lavc) Mar 03 16:52:25 KotCzarny: right Mar 03 16:52:36 pupnik, try mpeg2 ? Mar 03 16:52:49 it can scale quite smoothly Mar 03 16:52:53 lol Mar 03 16:53:04 mpeg2video Mar 03 16:53:06 that is Mar 03 16:53:06 :) Mar 03 16:53:21 and in the bonus you can make svcd of it later ;) Mar 03 16:53:41 yes i like watching blocky chunky video with no motion compensation Mar 03 16:53:47 --- not Mar 03 16:54:16 it has 225dpi screen Mar 03 16:54:22 you won't see much blocks Mar 03 16:54:23 :) Mar 03 16:54:41 hrw, pupnik: probably derf can explain better, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_container_formats (vorbis is problematic comment) Mar 03 16:55:41 my favorite container was IFF years ago Mar 03 16:56:48 well playback of the vorbis at 128kb sounds very bad right now for some reason so maybe i stick with mp3 instead - thanks ssvb Mar 03 16:57:45 also if gst issues will get fixed Mar 03 16:57:45 btw adding noise on playback is fun :) reduces banding Mar 03 16:57:52 youu will want mp3/aac anyway Mar 03 16:58:01 good poitn Mar 03 16:58:21 unless someone writes dsp code to decode vorbis Mar 03 16:58:24 :> Mar 03 16:58:37 pupnik: btw, thanks for noticing that esd is initialized for 44.1KHz and audio is actually decoded at 48KHz, this explains extra cpu usage - mplayer is resampling audio Mar 03 17:00:24 you're welcome! Mar 03 17:00:25 where is lardman btw? Mar 03 17:00:30 KotCzarny: lardman has been working on it, see his project: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/dsp-tremor/ Mar 03 17:00:58 pre-alpha :/ Mar 03 17:00:58 I wonder when esound will finally stop being used Mar 03 17:01:23 hmm Mar 03 17:01:32 would it be hard to write dsp mixing code for gst? Mar 03 17:01:38 that would replace esd Mar 03 17:02:53 pupnik: I experimented with esd at 48KHz, but it is unreliable when changing volume, it deadlocks sometimes Mar 03 17:03:29 so .. just use -ao sdl to avoid resampling? Mar 03 17:04:12 pupnik: we did not have this problem before as mplayer also changed audio volume itself 'in software' without using esd api for this Mar 03 17:05:04 pupnik: I think I will find more or less reliable and fast solution for sound Mar 03 17:05:29 pupnik: sdl has lipsync problems :) Mar 03 17:05:35 dspsink? Mar 03 17:05:37 :> Mar 03 17:05:57 KotCzarny: dsptask :) Mar 03 17:06:03 i wonder if the dsp could handle mp3 decoding while running at a lower clockrate? Mar 03 17:06:03 :) Mar 03 17:06:14 pupnik: yes Mar 03 17:06:25 KotCzarny: 'sink' is a gstreamer thing Mar 03 17:06:51 ssvb: so is it possible to mplayer use dsptask directly? Mar 03 17:06:55 without need for gst? Mar 03 17:07:11 or esd/sdl in that matter Mar 03 17:07:21 pupnik: yes, it can, there was a report in maemo-developers list Mar 03 17:07:38 good news :) Mar 03 17:07:45 KotCzarny: you'd basically have to recreate the code in dspaudio.c from gst-plugins-dsp Mar 03 17:08:12 but maybe it will resolve sync problems? Mar 03 17:08:36 or they come from dsptask not from gst implementation? Mar 03 17:09:33 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=95363&postcount=10 Mar 03 17:09:36 pupnik: bad news is that nokia apparently is not going to officially support 400/133 mode for working with dynamic dsp tasks Mar 03 17:09:44 pupnik: let me find a link Mar 03 17:09:54 ssvb, wasn't there a patch? Mar 03 17:10:21 is it a problem with power supply? Mar 03 17:10:31 KotCzarny: is this patch clean? Mar 03 17:10:45 ssvb, i have yet to flash my device.. Mar 03 17:11:12 i'm rather reluctant because i tend to fsck up those kind of things on the first try ;) Mar 03 17:11:16 hi all! Mar 03 17:11:33 is it possible to install dpkgs on memory card? OS2008, 51-3 Mar 03 17:11:33 KotCzarny: for any patch to get accepted upstream, it must not to introduce any regressions Mar 03 17:12:08 xdamon: just move your whole sys to mmc Mar 03 17:12:16 KotCzarny: for example, did you check that VOIP works reliably with lower DSP clock frequency? Mar 03 17:12:36 ssvb: it was configurable via /proc setting afair Mar 03 17:12:48 so one could switch modes on will Mar 03 17:13:12 KotCzarny: its possible? Mar 03 17:13:19 xdemon: look for the howto for booting from mmc Mar 03 17:13:26 oh, ok Mar 03 17:13:50 xdemon: you can also symlink directories to your data card Mar 03 17:14:04 yes, for example whole /usr Mar 03 17:14:05 KotCzarny: who would be the one? internet tablets use multitasking os with the possibility to run many applications at once :) Mar 03 17:14:16 but then you will get into problems when connecting usb Mar 03 17:14:18 etc. Mar 03 17:14:29 ssvb: user's will Mar 03 17:14:34 statusbar applet? Mar 03 17:14:35 KotCzarny: there may be some use cases where it could fail Mar 03 17:15:07 laptops have dockable utils for that Mar 03 17:15:44 ie. if user wants to have control over pm Mar 03 17:16:00 and not relay on automatic settings Mar 03 17:16:11 KotCzarny: well, you don't need to convince me, better try talking to Nokia guys :) Mar 03 17:16:19 ssvb: but the idea is, you watch mplayer, you don't talk on skype Mar 03 17:16:28 you won't have cpu left for skype anyway Mar 03 17:16:28 ;) Mar 03 17:16:50 ssvb: do they come to freenode? ;) Mar 03 17:19:42 also, sometimes getting something working is enough to make it go upstream ;) Mar 03 17:22:38 pupnik: here it is - http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/32216 (check for comments from Igor Stoppa explaining why more intelligent frequency scaling is tricky) Mar 03 17:22:42 lol Mar 03 17:22:49 i saw a ga photo Mar 03 17:22:51 right now Mar 03 17:23:00 my goggles! Mar 03 17:23:01 :> Mar 03 17:30:51 There _is_ a Vorbis mapping for AVI. It is not a particularly good mapping, and there is little software support for it, but it does exist. Mar 03 17:33:17 derf: thanks for the information, does ffmpeg support it right? Mar 03 17:33:30 ffmpeg invented it... I sure hope they support it right. Mar 03 17:33:39 :) Mar 03 17:34:55 A couple of other projects like avidemux have implemented (decode-only) support for it. Mar 03 17:35:24 But I don't think any of the major media frameworks have (DirectShow, Quicktime, gstreamer). Mar 03 17:35:47 there is gst-plugin-ffmpeg... Mar 03 17:35:48 gstreamer might be able to get support through their ffmpeg plugin... I'm not sure. Mar 03 17:36:01 Try it and see. Mar 03 17:39:34 hm, with my home-built kernel wireless doesn't work Mar 03 17:39:39 "WARNING SoftMAC not initialized, chip not booted" Mar 03 17:39:40 damnit why is mencoder lavc ignoring all my rate controls? it's insisting on 630MB filesize no matter what Mar 03 17:39:46 what could be the reason for that? Mar 03 17:39:47 copy umac.ko from original initfs Mar 03 17:40:03 pH5: are you using dummy umac.ko? Mar 03 17:40:18 ssvb: probably not. where can I read about this? Mar 03 17:41:27 /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/umac.ko Mar 03 17:41:30 pH5: somewhere on maemo wiki, umac.ko is a closed source module, so some dummy module which clones its API is included in cx3110x package Mar 03 17:42:19 KotCzarny, ssvb: thanks Mar 03 17:42:38 there are others too Mar 03 17:52:34 is it possible to use internal memory for sys apps and SD card for games? Mar 03 17:52:44 yes Mar 03 17:53:26 EXPORT=? Mar 03 17:53:41 depends on game Mar 03 17:53:55 some are already packaged to use mmc Mar 03 17:54:17 ahh fixed it.. need vrc_buf_size Mar 03 17:54:20 huh... which of them? Mar 03 17:55:28 pupnik: what's the status of snes9x port? Mar 03 17:56:19 sound needs either an oss backend wrapper or esd/alsa/sdl backend Mar 03 17:56:31 also more scaling options would be good Mar 03 18:17:32 huh... so any man for installing apps to card? Mar 03 18:17:33 wb Luria Mar 03 18:17:44 without mmc booting Mar 03 18:17:48 xdemon: interested in working on a snes emu? Mar 03 18:17:57 pupnik: Mar 03 18:17:59 yes Mar 03 18:18:14 i am interesting in working mame, gba, and snes emu Mar 03 18:18:26 this is best gaming platforms for pda Mar 03 18:18:33 not true Mar 03 18:18:39 n830 may be Mar 03 18:19:08 also i hear that n800 has video card similar to n95 Mar 03 18:19:16 xdemon: same Mar 03 18:19:25 but unsupported 3d Mar 03 18:19:38 how it can be possible? Mar 03 18:19:40 xdemon: both use omap2420 cpu and built-in video controler Mar 03 18:19:41 no drivers? Mar 03 18:19:42 moaney? Mar 03 18:19:45 money Mar 03 18:19:49 money and license Mar 03 18:19:51 normally you can't run apps from a vfat partition but if some things in /usr/share or /usr/local/share take up much space, you can move them to mmc and symlink to them. don't listen to KotCzarny Mar 03 18:20:15 pupnik: question wasn't vfat partition but mmc card Mar 03 18:20:17 in general Mar 03 18:20:18 :) Mar 03 18:20:21 huh, hope nokia allow using videoadapter in OS2009 :D Mar 03 18:20:31 videoadapter? Mar 03 18:20:38 video card Mar 03 18:21:00 quake 2... so... port uses cpu only? Mar 03 18:21:07 I do not thinnk that nokia will release 3d for n8xx devices Mar 03 18:21:14 yes i guess Mar 03 18:21:32 =( Mar 03 18:21:33 n800 is quite long on market and nothing about 3d drivers was released Mar 03 18:21:35 too bad Mar 03 18:21:48 I wonder do they have them at all Mar 03 18:21:50 n810 uses same chip Mar 03 18:21:51 i guess Mar 03 18:21:51 but n810 doesn't use it too? Mar 03 18:22:10 n810 is n800 + gps + keyboard + other case/screen Mar 03 18:22:20 the gps seems pretty.. useless Mar 03 18:22:26 and -sd slot + 2gb internal flash Mar 03 18:22:36 KotCzarny: +1 Mar 03 18:22:37 youd probably fix your position by rolling dice faster than it does Mar 03 18:22:44 1? specs show 2 Mar 03 18:22:49 KotCzarny: that 2gb internal flash is done as sd card Mar 03 18:22:57 thats why i purchase n800 Mar 03 18:23:07 +1 means that i accept with you Mar 03 18:23:07 xdemon: Error: "1" is not a valid command. Mar 03 18:23:12 hww: is it? i have read it's quite good quality flash Mar 03 18:23:55 KotCzarny: it is connected as sd/mmc card Mar 03 18:23:59 yes Mar 03 18:24:26 soo... last time... is there is any way to run, for example, battle for wesnoth from internal MMC card with OS2008 (n800)? Mar 03 18:24:29 so it is sd/mmc card. Mar 03 18:24:54 hrw: technically Mar 03 18:24:55 :) Mar 03 18:24:57 been thinking about reformatting the internal sd with ext2 Mar 03 18:25:10 KotCzarny: remember that sd/mmc/cf/xd/etc cards are done as flash chip + wires/controler Mar 03 18:25:12 jaska, you're better off with jffs2 Mar 03 18:25:21 hrw: i know Mar 03 18:25:31 So... i guess no way at now Mar 03 18:25:36 but if i say 'sd' i mean whole card Mar 03 18:25:37 kotc: but.. i dont think the sd exports raw flash suitable for jffs2 Mar 03 18:25:39 KotCzarny: you cannot format sd/mmc card with jffs2 Mar 03 18:25:55 hrw: what stops me from that? Mar 03 18:26:03 it has its own wear leveling layer in front of it Mar 03 18:26:13 KotCzarny: jffs2 require mtd interface Mar 03 18:26:25 sd/mmc does not have mtd interface Mar 03 18:26:26 hmm Mar 03 18:26:54 also, how i can freed some space on internal memory? Mar 03 18:27:14 otherwise i would :) Mar 03 18:27:30 xdemon: remove videos, audios, pdfs. then look into /usr/share/locale/ and remove what you do not need Mar 03 18:27:47 oh, ok Mar 03 18:27:57 btw. having sd card inserted draws power Mar 03 18:28:08 so... how i can install GAMES on internal SD? i have 8 gigs SDHC Mar 03 18:28:09 i probably should nuke all my localestuff thats not en_GB/fi_FI Mar 03 18:28:15 so having 2 cards draws more power Mar 03 18:28:51 5.0M locale Mar 03 18:28:53 :) Mar 03 18:28:58 o.O Mar 03 18:29:35 you can also remove some software probably but I would not recommend it Mar 03 18:29:49 maemo packaging has lot of internal bugs Mar 03 18:29:58 i wonder how badly you need to mess it up so that you cant flash it via usb Mar 03 18:30:17 probably hard Mar 03 18:30:20 dont really feel like finding a coldflashing serial cable :) Mar 03 18:30:25 jaska_: flash /dev/urandom as bootlaoder Mar 03 18:30:50 jaska_: which pins are used by such a cable? Mar 03 18:31:02 or rather pads Mar 03 18:31:10 uuh.. i forgot, just saw something about that Mar 03 18:31:31 mb___: http://del.icio.us/hrw/ - I bookmarked it iirc Mar 03 18:31:40 is it jtag or something similiar? Mar 03 18:32:06 yep - 3rd link Mar 03 18:32:11 mb___: no - normal serial port Mar 03 18:32:24 I do not know where jtag connector is Mar 03 18:34:00 hrw: Ah, I have access to the serial. I wonder how flashing works? Does the early bootloader have any hooks? Mar 03 18:34:15 xdemon: to see space used by directories use the command "du -s /path/to/whatever/* |sort -n" Mar 03 18:34:38 i know it Mar 03 18:34:44 mb___: I do not have such informations Mar 03 18:34:45 du -sx to be exact Mar 03 18:34:45 ok apologies Mar 03 18:34:46 i use linux on my homepc Mar 03 18:34:48 debian Mar 03 18:34:50 but Mar 03 18:34:56 otherwise you will follow symlinks Mar 03 18:34:56 is there is any way to run, for example, battle for wesnoth from internal MMC card with OS2008 (n800)? Mar 03 18:35:02 thish is not effective Mar 03 18:35:20 which Mar 03 18:35:41 any automated way? script? Mar 03 18:35:42 xdemon - as I have said, i put large game data on mmc and symlink to it from wherever in the root filesystem Mar 03 18:36:12 hrw: here's what I found out about the n810 serial console, btw: http://bu3sch.de/n810.php Maybe that's useful to you, too. Mar 03 18:36:16 xdemon: it's nearly debian inside Mar 03 18:36:20 I'm trying to make games find their data on mmc1 or mmc2 instead of installing to /usr/share Mar 03 18:36:25 so anything you know about debian applies Mar 03 18:36:31 (or other distro) Mar 03 18:36:39 sinve it have apt, huh Mar 03 18:36:41 its debian Mar 03 18:36:46 nearly is strong word.... Mar 03 18:36:49 pupnik: symlinks Mar 03 18:37:08 glasses Mar 03 18:37:08 xdemon: fedora can have apt too.. Mar 03 18:37:16 ie. to use ~/.MyDocs/games to point to games on users preferred location Mar 03 18:37:24 then installing to ~/.MyDocs/games Mar 03 18:37:25 :) Mar 03 18:37:33 or even better ~/games Mar 03 18:37:33 but apt come from debian? fedora is rpm besed Mar 03 18:38:11 KotCzarny: yes that's maybe not a bad idea to put the symlink under MyDocs - would let gui users install game data Mar 03 18:38:25 pupnik: nope Mar 03 18:38:29 for e.g. for some engines like duke3d Mar 03 18:38:31 even .deb could use it Mar 03 18:38:45 and copy files to proper place Mar 03 18:39:10 ah well mmc1/2 is fine also - users can unpack their data to it as well Mar 03 18:39:29 pupnik: the idea behind the symlink is that Mar 03 18:39:36 user will choose which mmc to use Mar 03 18:39:47 and package maintainer doesn't have to know that Mar 03 18:39:51 only symlink location Mar 03 18:39:56 ah ok Mar 03 18:40:29 it can even be regular dir Mar 03 18:40:36 if one doesn't have any sd cards Mar 03 18:43:31 xdemon: apt is package fetcher/info tool Mar 03 18:43:39 apt-get Mar 03 18:43:41 to be exact Mar 03 18:43:42 xdemon: there are rpm distros whic use apt Mar 03 18:43:42 :) Mar 03 18:43:48 KotCzarny: apt-get is tool Mar 03 18:44:02 xdemon: apt is package fetcher/info tool Mar 03 18:44:03 ;) Mar 03 18:44:04 for me apt == apt+apt-utils Mar 03 18:44:14 KotCzarny: apt-cache is info tool ;D Mar 03 18:44:14 you have said 'tool' Mar 03 18:44:57 :) Mar 03 18:45:17 ;D Mar 03 18:50:17 hmmf. I do wish package management/patching was done a little more the debian way... Mar 03 18:50:50 i.e. not by waiting for next release and then reinstalling everything but by updating incrementally. Mar 03 18:53:48 ...I know it's being worked on, I'm just impatient. And right now, I'd really want a fixed hildon-application-manager package :) Mar 03 18:53:57 :) Mar 03 18:54:05 just use ssh Mar 03 18:54:39 i decided to do it after i couldn't find a way to resize the colums Mar 03 18:54:42 columns Mar 03 18:54:51 btw. is hildon-application-manager open? Mar 03 18:55:05 it should be simple to cut long version strings when displaying Mar 03 18:55:21 without losing too much of usability Mar 03 18:55:31 KotCzarny: it is. Just downloaded the source. But I also see in bugzilla that it's supposed to be fixed in the next version. Mar 03 18:55:32 (it still would be checkable in details) Mar 03 18:56:06 hmm Mar 03 18:56:14 what's the link to the source? Mar 03 18:56:34 I got it via apt-get source in my scratchbox setup. Mar 03 18:56:48 let's see Mar 03 18:57:31 but that, I think, is the version that is installed. Not the fixed version - which I presume should be available from some source code repository somewhere. Mar 03 18:59:47 next version will be os2009 :( Mar 03 19:00:02 diablo? Mar 03 19:01:07 Veggen, in garage Mar 03 19:01:31 the source repo is in the garage project I mean Mar 03 19:01:59 but be aware that installing newer versions of system packages is a bit tricky... Mar 03 19:02:22 do i build that source specially? Mar 03 19:02:30 via dpkg build or something? Mar 03 19:02:51 jku: I'm willing to risk it :) Mar 03 19:03:29 KotCzarny: fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage worked for me. Mar 03 19:03:38 thx Mar 03 19:03:44 osso-software-version depends on specific versions, and not having osso-software-version makes Application Manager unhappy, if I recall correctly Mar 03 19:04:06 not 100% about the last point though Mar 03 19:04:23 jku: not that unhappy, I think. I have the rtcomm beta installed, and I haven't seen any major breakage... Mar 03 19:04:46 rtcomm conflicts with osso-software-version? Mar 03 19:05:29 probably does... well, that's good to know Mar 03 19:06:45 ...unless appmanager crashing sporadically can be attributed to that, but I think it's always been rather buggy that way? Mar 03 19:08:51 (found the svn source. gonna try building...I'm willing to risk it :) Mar 03 19:09:54 I don't really have anything important on it that can't be easily installed from backup. Mar 03 19:09:57 evening all Mar 03 19:11:20 Are you folks using skype or gizmo, or openwengo? Mar 03 19:11:56 i use built-in sip client Mar 03 19:11:56 * lcuk got disalusioned with skype on maemo after finding out no video Mar 03 19:12:09 sound is nice Mar 03 19:12:13 i understand that grandcentral can be combined with gizmo to get free calls both ways.. not sure if they closed that loophole yet Mar 03 19:12:20 its enought for me since i have my own asterisk server.. Mar 03 19:12:29 xdemon: same here. Mar 03 19:12:30 but not when all your mates have skype video support Mar 03 19:12:35 xD no video? Ha Mar 03 19:12:35 haha Mar 03 19:12:44 i m not one =) Mar 03 19:12:46 internal cam sucks anyway Mar 03 19:12:47 :) Mar 03 19:12:59 * lcuk feels like a pauper - nice new internet tablet with a nice webcam built in but no fudging use Mar 03 19:13:11 "nice" webcam? Mar 03 19:13:20 it's rather low quality. Mar 03 19:13:30 lower-low Mar 03 19:13:31 :) Mar 03 19:13:32 ok, nice idea - its in the right place Mar 03 19:13:33 i definately need something dependable.. this will be for talking to recuiters Mar 03 19:13:46 I don't really see the use for it until it's better :) Mar 03 19:13:58 And the uplink is evdo.. so it has to be lean Mar 03 19:14:03 anyone tried playing twith it and v4l app? Mar 03 19:14:25 nuts. it needs a new libapt-pkg-dev Mar 03 19:14:28 kernel config shows it under v4l Mar 03 19:14:35 (the new hildon-application-manager) Mar 03 19:14:44 its no use - on 810 it points at you and about the only thing you can do is take a self shot once or twice then it becomes boring Mar 03 19:15:04 uit has no application - its like a frikkin appendix Mar 03 19:16:28 that's why i asked about v4l apps Mar 03 19:16:39 xawtv etc. Mar 03 19:17:03 veggen: 2.0.2 fails with: configure: error: libapt-pkg not found. Mar 03 19:17:24 hmm i could sell usb tv receivers for tablets Mar 03 19:17:48 like the plextor convertx? Mar 03 19:18:22 i was thinking usb dvb-t devices for german digital tv Mar 03 19:18:23 apt-get install libapt-pkg-dev Mar 03 19:18:24 hah. Mar 03 19:26:51 KotCzarny: yah, found that one too. Next challenge: I need libapt-pkg-dev >= 0.7.6 :) Mar 03 19:27:11 hmm. let's try the -d flags. Mar 03 19:27:26 just install it via apt-get Mar 03 19:27:30 (which overrides the dependency checking) Mar 03 19:27:34 works without a problem Mar 03 19:27:48 (on scratchbox) Mar 03 19:27:54 KotCzarny: I'm trying to build the svn version :) Mar 03 19:28:01 :) Mar 03 19:28:09 i had to install libapt-pkg-dev too Mar 03 19:28:22 (not the one I got with apt-get source. That's gonna havwe the bug, probably) Mar 03 19:28:28 uhum Mar 03 19:31:51 bye Mar 03 19:32:38 www.teliax.com crashes both firefox and safari.. interesting Mar 03 19:33:13 battery low. huh Mar 03 19:34:30 2000 minutes Mar 03 19:34:31 this is on a desktop Mar 03 19:34:36 not bad with wifi-on Mar 03 19:35:05 (about 1.5day) Mar 03 19:36:58 ok, so let's build newer apt and things too. Mar 03 19:44:45 hmm. built ok, and now new application manager is building too... Mar 03 19:52:53 Hello Mar 03 19:54:50 bleh mono mp3 encoding seems to set the audio to be offset Mar 03 19:58:34 I am sure I am not the first to ask, but I can't find anything on the maemo website. Any work being done porting OOo to maemo? Mar 03 19:58:45 O.o Mar 03 19:58:49 ok. serious breakage here. Mar 03 19:58:52 :) Mar 03 19:58:57 you realize it has 128mb of mem? Mar 03 19:59:07 and no java? (afaict) Mar 03 19:59:17 roe: not gonna be done. too large footprint. Mar 03 19:59:34 how about an abiword or gnumeric Mar 03 19:59:45 probably doable Mar 03 19:59:49 :) Mar 03 20:00:47 one more question, this calendaring beta I am reading about, I see it supports icals, but is it planned to support caldav? Mar 03 20:03:05 here are you reading about it? :) Mar 03 20:03:35 there is some info on the maemo.org site Mar 03 20:04:59 ok. new hildon-application-manager sorta installed. I think. I had to be ugly and do a --force-conflicts, though ;) Mar 03 20:05:23 hmm i never used that Mar 03 20:05:35 dpkg -i foobar.deb --force-conflicts ? Mar 03 20:06:02 yes Mar 03 20:06:09 it wanted to deinstall hildon-update-notifier that a bunch depended on. but I couldn't really see what conflicted, when listing the package contents. Mar 03 20:06:16 but conflicts info isn't dummy Mar 03 20:06:25 i guess it will introduce breakages Mar 03 20:07:00 KotCzarny: maybe. but I had already broken hildon-application-manager by installing newer apt ;) Mar 03 20:07:07 :) Mar 03 20:07:08 pupnik, question: bandwidth to the LCD is 18MB/s, but... is the transfer DMAable or the CPU has to move the bits? Mar 03 20:07:53 KotCzarny: good news is that the new application manager even seems to work. Mar 03 20:08:01 great Mar 03 20:08:11 i wonder what stopped working then Mar 03 20:08:11 :> Mar 03 20:08:19 mmm ;) Mar 03 20:08:34 hildon-update-notifier, probably. Mar 03 20:10:20 Tama^2: can't answer accurately Mar 03 20:11:15 can you point me to some info? Mar 03 20:12:11 KotCzarny: I see that new application-manager has a libhildon-update-notifier builtin. Mar 03 20:12:52 ...so probably the standalone one is just obsoleted. Mar 03 20:13:01 good Mar 03 20:13:02 i guess Mar 03 20:13:37 ...which means I think I've not broken anything, really. Mar 03 20:13:53 ..yet Mar 03 20:14:32 KotCzarny: well. true :) but it seems that it actually works now. Mar 03 20:14:45 tried updating and installing applications, and it works. Mar 03 20:14:51 :) Mar 03 20:21:19 hmm. seems I miss a translation or two. but hell, I can live with that. Mar 03 20:22:41 hmm. application manager seems faster. Mar 03 20:23:05 by not resizing columns every time? Mar 03 20:23:05 ;) Mar 03 20:23:28 KotCzarny: there's more that's changed. I think. Mar 03 20:25:59 [nokia770] Using ARM JIT YUV420 scaler (quality=2) to scale 480x280 => 480x280 ... ergh... why Mar 03 20:26:34 color type conversion? Mar 03 20:26:52 from rgb to yuv etc? Mar 03 20:26:57 oh ok Mar 03 20:27:05 wild guess Mar 03 20:27:10 check other messages Mar 03 20:31:39 it's always giving me a +560ms offset on playback now :( Mar 03 20:32:53 it *is* more snappy. Mar 03 20:33:30 (newer application manager) Mar 03 20:33:38 nice Mar 03 20:34:13 I'd like to enable drag scrolling on my Gtk TextView widget, but on Maemo the motion-notify-event that I'm trying to use only seems to get fired once until I release and tap again. Are the events getting caught somewhere else? Any idea what I should do? Mar 03 20:35:09 woww mplayer now only taking 18-48% cpu on this vid Mar 03 20:36:15 hello there, I was wondering...it should be possible to see the boot (kernel and SO msgs) of a n8x0 ??? Mar 03 20:36:26 yes Mar 03 20:36:27 just like linux does? Mar 03 20:36:30 really? Mar 03 20:36:35 Koshi, and how? Mar 03 20:36:56 KotCzarny, and how? Mar 03 20:37:18 probably some boot options, or modifying kernel Mar 03 20:37:29 KotCzarny, ah are u guessing? Mar 03 20:37:36 Koshi, u are not sure... Mar 03 20:37:47 i have seen someone booting puppylinux Mar 03 20:38:19 there's some package breakage, though. contemplating just deleting the packages, though. I doubt nokia-repository is ever gonna be upgraded, and if it is, it's not like I can't find and do the changes manually. Mar 03 20:39:04 osso-af too. Mar 03 20:39:04 a. why do you need them anyway? Mar 03 20:39:04 just do dmesg > /tmp/dmesg.log Mar 03 20:39:06 after the boot Mar 03 20:39:17 what if you dont manage a full boo Mar 03 20:39:19 t Mar 03 20:39:48 KotCzarny, eh eh....u'r in right man Mar 03 20:40:12 i guess he's just curious Mar 03 20:40:14 :) Mar 03 20:41:30 crazy man....the /boot/ dir is empty.... Mar 03 20:41:32 mh... Mar 03 20:41:43 it's not your usual pc box Mar 03 20:41:46 :) Mar 03 20:41:51 Advhertz, sorry what? Mar 03 20:41:52 it's embedded device Mar 03 20:42:03 the kernel is on a separate "partition" on your internal flash. Mar 03 20:42:30 and so is initfs, but that one is mounted under /mnt/initfs Mar 03 20:42:41 read only though Mar 03 20:42:54 sure. Mar 03 20:43:54 ok KotCzarny adding "autoaspect" to the mencoder fixed that silly scaler problem Mar 03 20:44:00 :) Mar 03 20:44:37 still sync is off... maybe it's because i manually increased the bitbucket Mar 03 20:47:41 switching back to stereo fixes the sound sync problem Mar 03 20:52:01 puppnik: - Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can Mar 03 20:53:00 i can't respond you Mar 03 20:53:10 just you know Mar 03 20:53:11 :) Mar 03 20:53:12 that's ok :) Mar 03 20:53:21 ok. rebuilding without the conflicts-stuff. Mar 03 20:53:33 (without conflicting with hildon-update-notifier) Mar 03 20:53:36 it will be available in 68 seconds Mar 03 20:53:43 my next battery test will be without mem cards Mar 03 20:53:45 :) Mar 03 20:53:56 this one lasted 1.5day Mar 03 20:55:33 ah. that did it. no more conflict. Mar 03 21:00:45 pupnik: that vid looks like some rip Mar 03 21:01:18 It's off a dvd Mar 03 21:01:31 initial logo jumps a little Mar 03 21:01:46 Yep like in the old film graphics Mar 03 21:02:10 funny thing is how mplayer's cpu use is so low Mar 03 21:02:16 but i can't increase resolution Mar 03 21:02:24 because it's only 480x280 Mar 03 21:03:03 it's kinda blurry at 720x576 too Mar 03 21:03:12 hehe Mar 03 21:03:15 but the aspect ratio is crazy narrow - i had to crop Mar 03 21:04:29 mencoder -endpos 125 /mnt/share2/Movies/Foobar__DVD.img -o Foobary_280_lavc.avi -srate 22050 -channels 2 -oac mp3lame -lameopts lowpassfreq=11000:q=7:vol=2:aq=8:padding=2 -vf-add crop=560:372 -vf-add scale=480:280 -vf-add eq=-12:0 -vf-add eq2=1.30:1.1:0:1:1:1:1:.75 -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:vbitrate=500:vrc_buf_size=917:vrc_maxrate=800:vrc_minrate=0:vhq:lumi_mask=0.3:dark_mask=0.5:autoaspect:vpass=2 -ofps 25 -force-avi-aspect 800:372 Mar 03 21:05:39 ehehe Mar 03 21:05:42 the first eq pulls down brightness by 12 which erases the dark portions, then the second eq2 brings up gamma again. Mar 03 21:05:45 that movie is cut in a nice moment Mar 03 21:05:45 :) Mar 03 21:06:21 heya Mar 03 21:06:38 anyone have an idea of what is the metalayer-crawler doing Mar 03 21:06:44 crawling Mar 03 21:06:47 its eating up my cpu Mar 03 21:06:53 life Mar 03 21:07:09 it's a rogue application to eat your battery Mar 03 21:07:26 it's evil Mar 03 21:07:57 yea and it morphs... cant kill it! Mar 03 21:08:18 :) Mar 03 21:08:30 Description: Metalayer Crawler Daemon Crawler is a program that is always running on the background. The purpose of the program is to collect information about the comings and goings of media files in the system. The metadata of media files is automatically extracted using libmetalayer for other applications to use. Mar 03 21:08:38 It scans for media Mar 03 21:08:46 it is demonic Mar 03 21:08:53 'extracted' Mar 03 21:08:59 as i said, pure evil Mar 03 21:09:00 It gets tripped up over recursive symlinks occasionally. Mar 03 21:09:03 no feelings Mar 03 21:09:05 Works fine here. Mar 03 21:09:09 ;) Mar 03 21:09:13 how do you use the information it snags? Mar 03 21:09:19 Media player Mar 03 21:09:33 but cant it just scan when i like - open media player ? Mar 03 21:09:49 lcuk, no! Mar 03 21:09:49 Because that takes time Mar 03 21:09:49 Look at how long Canola takes to load. Mar 03 21:09:49 or actually leave it without scanning Mar 03 21:10:03 it should extract information on 'per-open' basis Mar 03 21:10:08 my pda is soo going to fry! Mar 03 21:10:13 not 'constantly' Mar 03 21:10:32 oh, but it detects a file system change - it MUST rescan Mar 03 21:10:32 or at least there should be a switch Mar 03 21:10:48 update your log files: rescan. Mar 03 21:10:53 cough too loudly: rescan Mar 03 21:11:04 :) Mar 03 21:11:41 can it be disabled ? Mar 03 21:11:45 yes Mar 03 21:11:51 easily and without breaking stuff Mar 03 21:11:52 ? Mar 03 21:11:58 yes Mar 03 21:12:00 gnome-vfs should handle the spawn of it shouldnt it? Mar 03 21:12:08 unless you need additional info in media player Mar 03 21:12:19 it should be easy enough to setup the vfs for specific media libraries Mar 03 21:12:27 s/lib/folders Mar 03 21:12:31 what do you mean "additional info" - if its things like waveforms and images Mar 03 21:12:56 lcuk: it's like: your media files are there, there, and there, and they are named that, that, that Mar 03 21:12:59 or is it the meta data from media - mp3 tags Mar 03 21:13:01 media library is evil Mar 03 21:13:30 and you know what? it doesn't save that info anywhere Mar 03 21:13:32 so if i disable it it will not rescan anywhere and just use the paths it knows right now? Mar 03 21:13:37 meaning it will rescan every time Mar 03 21:13:46 no Mar 03 21:13:54 who made that.... string him up!! Mar 03 21:13:54 if you disable it your media library will be empty Mar 03 21:13:56 well thast a steaming pile of hotspur Mar 03 21:14:05 and you will have to click 'open and browse' to play Mar 03 21:14:26 cant we make it "think" its got media Mar 03 21:14:27 but it can be reenabled safely Mar 03 21:14:43 and does the media player fill up as it scans folders? Mar 03 21:14:51 lcuk: become root and: /etc/init.d/metalayer-crawler0 stop Mar 03 21:15:01 you will see how it will look without ml Mar 03 21:15:06 well its like this; ... i had a bluetooth headset plugged in while listening to the radio streamer applet, then while going through the 'My selection' links the pda crashed Mar 03 21:15:14 ie, could i make myself a shell script which "start crawling. run mediaplayer. stop crawling" Mar 03 21:15:15 later you can reenable it by changing stop to start Mar 03 21:15:19 now, no applets are shown at all Mar 03 21:15:52 yanker: nokia is not a pda, it's more like a regular laptop Mar 03 21:15:53 :) Mar 03 21:16:06 yanker - dont call it a pda, GeneralAntilles has a heart murmur Mar 03 21:16:15 lcuk: but it will take long time everytime Mar 03 21:16:22 better just get nice player Mar 03 21:16:34 that won't relay on such maddness Mar 03 21:16:45 i agree, but mediaplayer is actually nice Mar 03 21:16:45 evince looked promising Mar 03 21:16:52 lolz nvm that Mar 03 21:17:26 just because its with a unix os? i dont see the difference, other than another handle of the device drivers :) Mar 03 21:17:33 how do i fix it?! Mar 03 21:17:53 yanker: pda reminds me of ipaq/palm Mar 03 21:17:54 what i wanna know is how do you get media players to use the headphones profile instead of the headset profile!!!! Mar 03 21:17:55 * Mousey cries Mar 03 21:17:57 Metalayer-crawler has never been a problem for me. Mar 03 21:18:00 and windows mobile Mar 03 21:18:02 *shrug* Mar 03 21:18:04 That said, I'd like to see an option. Mar 03 21:18:07 KotCzarny, remember last nigth the bits about the fbreader library, it might look awful, but it does pretty much what you expect - give it a base folder and it will grab there and then and retain the list Mar 03 21:18:28 lcuk: i don't want the list Mar 03 21:18:36 i want simply click on files Mar 03 21:18:52 i want to do work once Mar 03 21:18:54 not twice Mar 03 21:19:07 ie. 1/ put your files in nice folder depending on my criteria Mar 03 21:19:18 2/ add them again to media library Mar 03 21:19:35 so you are an old style media player classic single file at a time man rather than itunes :) i hear ya and agree Mar 03 21:19:43 lcuk: nope Mar 03 21:19:52 well, something has my cpu by the balls, and its metalayer-crawl daemon :) Mar 03 21:19:57 do you want to test my hacked mplayer frontend? Mar 03 21:19:58 :) Mar 03 21:20:23 it's ncurses based right now, but quite usable Mar 03 21:20:25 not really, for now mplayer for me hasnt really shone Mar 03 21:20:38 just for interface test Mar 03 21:20:43 ive had better compatability with the limited media i have played using the built in Mar 03 21:21:08 also it would work via ssh Mar 03 21:21:13 because it's ncurses based Mar 03 21:21:13 :) Mar 03 21:26:30 i sooo want that crawler dead .o.O Mar 03 21:26:41 :) Mar 03 21:27:30 wanted, dead of alive: MetaCrawler Mar 03 21:27:35 errm or Mar 03 21:27:38 mine is dead Mar 03 21:27:39 man, i can't type today Mar 03 21:27:42 want it? Mar 03 21:27:43 :) Mar 03 21:27:58 actually on second thoughts i will pass Mar 03 21:28:12 it's dead for days now Mar 03 21:33:10 You're crazy, lcuk. Mar 03 21:33:14 What media are you playing? <_< Mar 03 21:35:20 not a lot - movies recoded using the nokia media convertor and tv shows. mplayer became unresponsive on a number of occasions and seemed to lock in fullscreen for 10-15seconds too long. ontop of that the initial interface was not finger friendly (built in isnt much better, but its a start) Mar 03 21:35:37 lcuk: i'm talking about audio files right now Mar 03 21:35:52 though my gui has support for youtube browsing/playing too Mar 03 21:35:53 ;) Mar 03 21:36:11 i dont play audio files through nokia - speakers sound shite and headphones arent needed - i have a good enough media centre with speakers right here Mar 03 21:36:31 still, sometimes it can come handy Mar 03 21:36:38 Poor N810 users and their crappy speakers. Mar 03 21:37:00 * GeneralAntilles enjoys watching movies in bed with the N800's speakers. Mar 03 21:37:05 speakers are better than old pda and it sounds fine when playing tv programs Mar 03 21:37:10 * KotCzarny has n800 too Mar 03 21:37:28 n810 sounds decent Mar 03 21:37:40 but i like normal speakers or headphones better anyway Mar 03 21:37:44 * KotCzarny can't tell because has only one Mar 03 21:37:46 i am miffed about how quick it goes through battery though - its constantly hooked up to the wall Mar 03 21:37:55 * lcuk feels tethered Mar 03 21:37:56 * aquatix only has an n810 Mar 03 21:37:57 I wish mplayer had the ability to turn the volume up over 100% Mar 03 21:38:06 never listened to an n800 Mar 03 21:38:17 'a' Mar 03 21:38:33 KotCzarny: n800 is pronounced `en-eighthundred' Mar 03 21:38:36 so `an' Mar 03 21:38:46 i'd say Mar 03 21:38:46 GeneralAntilles, the nokia automatically does it if you watch spinal tap Mar 03 21:38:52 i pronounce it as 'nokia-800' Mar 03 21:38:58 That's wrong. Mar 03 21:38:59 ah Mar 03 21:39:13 than it would be `a', but that's not how you pronounce it :) Mar 03 21:39:18 n810 is pronounced nokia internet tablet 810 series - i loath to call it n series Mar 03 21:39:19 What's with you and trying to correct people with your wrong answers? <_< Mar 03 21:39:19 ok Mar 03 21:39:20 :) Mar 03 21:39:41 lcuk: :) Mar 03 21:39:46 because i'm right too? Mar 03 21:39:46 :) Mar 03 21:39:49 lcuk: bit long though ;) Mar 03 21:39:59 KotCzarny: not quite Mar 03 21:40:11 nokia pronounces it as `en-eighthundred' themselves Mar 03 21:40:14 *yawns* just call it n800 for short or 'en-eighthundred' lol and look over the fact it's called a Nokia Internet Tablet 8x0 Mar 03 21:40:17 i know, but the nseries are cool devices which make full use of their hardware Mar 03 21:40:22 another example of word that starts with n ? Mar 03 21:40:24 :) Mar 03 21:40:47 lcuk: not true Mar 03 21:40:50 :) Mar 03 21:40:51 aquatix has got you here, might as well drop it before you start to look bad. Mar 03 21:40:53 nitroglycerin Mar 03 21:41:08 an or a? Mar 03 21:41:08 or however it's spelled Mar 03 21:41:09 :) Mar 03 21:41:16 `a' Mar 03 21:41:20 duh Mar 03 21:41:20 hah. Mar 03 21:41:22 ok then KotCzarny when are we gonna get n-gage gaming ported to this n series device? Mar 03 21:41:28 KotCzarny: like you made a point now? Mar 03 21:41:35 * KotCzarny has got n-gage too Mar 03 21:41:37 lcuk, quite possibly with OMAP3. :D Mar 03 21:41:38 (original) Mar 03 21:41:49 KotCzarny: and how do you pronounce `n-gage'? Mar 03 21:41:53 aquatix: :) Mar 03 21:41:58 but hasnt the current n95 which has same chipset got it already ;) Mar 03 21:42:05 nnngahche? Mar 03 21:42:24 auqatix the fact that they 'misspelled' the word doesn't mean it's right Mar 03 21:42:28 * aquatix rests his point Mar 03 21:42:31 or is it one of the lesser models for now Mar 03 21:42:34 it was a pun on 'engage' Mar 03 21:42:36 :) Mar 03 21:42:49 well, n770, n800 and n810 are model names Mar 03 21:42:51 you sayl n-gage as "taco" Mar 03 21:42:55 `n' is just a letter Mar 03 21:43:01 :) Mar 03 21:43:03 * aquatix stops Mar 03 21:43:09 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N-Gage Mar 03 21:43:10 :) Mar 03 21:43:41 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N Mar 03 21:43:44 aquatix, its not just a model name, the n stands for nseries http://www.nseries.com/index.html its an entire range of related devices Mar 03 21:43:51 lcuk: i know Mar 03 21:44:02 which is also pronounced `en-series' Mar 03 21:44:04 N-Gage phone was hilarious Mar 03 21:44:05 oh well Mar 03 21:44:13 * KotCzarny uses n-gage still Mar 03 21:44:15 MangoFusion: depends on your humour ;) Mar 03 21:44:22 hehe Mar 03 21:44:28 i love it :) Mar 03 21:44:32 * aquatix has laughed his ass off watching silly side-talk Mar 03 21:44:37 though has short battery life when playing Mar 03 21:44:46 :) Mar 03 21:44:56 i have seen some mods for sidetalking Mar 03 21:44:58 ;) Mar 03 21:45:05 including drilling Mar 03 21:45:19 but for me sidetalking is quite ok Mar 03 21:45:20 how can I right click? need it for rdeskto. Mar 03 21:45:35 xuser: press and hold stylus a little while Mar 03 21:45:37 xuser_: long tap? Mar 03 21:45:58 that doesnt work for me when i use vnc so i wouldnt hold breath... Mar 03 21:46:07 :) Mar 03 21:46:13 ok let me see Mar 03 21:46:20 rdesktop is nokia'a app? Mar 03 21:46:22 isn't it? Mar 03 21:46:22 xuser_: if it doesn't work, hook up a mouse ;) Mar 03 21:46:26 -> can work Mar 03 21:46:27 :) Mar 03 21:46:33 KotCzarny: vnc != rdesktop Mar 03 21:46:43 he uses rdesktop Mar 03 21:46:56 erm, ah Mar 03 21:47:04 lcuk had me confused Mar 03 21:47:08 :) Mar 03 21:47:13 * lcuk has himself confused Mar 03 21:47:32 * aquatix throws some cold water over lcuk to un-confuse him Mar 03 21:47:37 * KotCzarny yawns Mar 03 21:47:38 WAIT Mar 03 21:47:43 let me put nokia down first Mar 03 21:47:46 * aquatix freezes in mid-throw Mar 03 21:47:53 ok Mar 03 21:48:11 * lcuk is a bit neurotic with nokia and drinks Mar 03 21:48:14 isn't it waterproof? Mar 03 21:48:18 am i the only one? Mar 03 21:48:20 lol Mar 03 21:48:23 * aquatix continues throwing and watches bucket hit lcuk because of the misfired throw Mar 03 21:48:24 :) Mar 03 21:48:42 I've heard a number of survival stories where people dropped their tablets in water while they were on. Mar 03 21:48:47 mwah hahahaaa! i has a bukkit!!! Mar 03 21:48:58 water generally isn't *that* bad Mar 03 21:49:02 and a sore head Mar 03 21:49:10 oh noes, they takez bukkit! Mar 03 21:49:15 i once washed my nvidia graphics card under the tap Mar 03 21:49:32 didn't work :/ Mar 03 21:49:32 i managed to get the coke out of it Mar 03 21:49:52 xuser: read rdesktop docs Mar 03 21:49:54 lcuk: never sniff from your hardware Mar 03 21:49:55 however from then onwards all the scenes it rendered looked like they were underwater Mar 03 21:50:04 maybe they have an another way for right click Mar 03 21:50:29 Har har har Mar 03 21:50:30 well pure water isn't bad lol assuming you have water that is absolutely free of contaminants X.x Mar 03 21:50:42 fang: pure water? where? Mar 03 21:50:43 :> Mar 03 21:50:45 Distilled water, you mean. =o) Mar 03 21:50:48 remote desktop programs send input as its obtained from the user, how does it know you dont want to long press on your remote desktop? Mar 03 21:50:49 Fang64: which it isn't anymore when you start cleaning with it Mar 03 21:50:55 indeed Mar 03 21:50:55 yeah Ill check it out Mar 03 21:50:55 lol Mar 03 21:51:04 lcuk: it asks xserver for input Mar 03 21:51:32 and xserver can send what it decides to send Mar 03 21:51:41 yes, and xserver wont doesnt just switch from a left click to a right automatically - thats down to software control Mar 03 21:51:44 can the N800 do X11 forwarding? Mar 03 21:51:50 hence the flashy cursor and menu Mar 03 21:51:55 xserver IS software Mar 03 21:51:55 :> Mar 03 21:52:19 fang: probably Mar 03 21:52:22 yer, but its generic software Mar 03 21:52:32 fang, closest i have seen is x11vnc server Mar 03 21:52:37 uhm Mar 03 21:52:46 ssh -R/-L ? Mar 03 21:52:46 :) Mar 03 21:52:59 I'm talking X11 forwarding over ssh or something like a desktop app and having n800 as client Mar 03 21:53:04 wondor how well that'd work Mar 03 21:53:04 lol Mar 03 21:53:20 Fang64: not likely well. Mar 03 21:53:20 wonder* Mar 03 21:53:24 Yes, it works fine, Fang64 Mar 03 21:53:24 Fang64: normal x windows don't behave as you'd expect Mar 03 21:53:30 ah Mar 03 21:53:32 Well, ^ Mar 03 21:53:36 But it does work. Mar 03 21:53:40 Especially with programs that expect the window manager to do specific, tiled things. Mar 03 21:53:44 so the translation between the desktop to the tablet doesn't work too swift? Mar 03 21:53:56 it's not your usual x.org Mar 03 21:54:02 I'm aware Mar 03 21:54:02 lo Mar 03 21:54:05 lol Mar 03 21:54:05 they use substitute Mar 03 21:54:06 :> Mar 03 21:54:15 I mean it's still X isn't it XD Mar 03 21:54:20 a form of it Mar 03 21:54:21 It's the same x.org, they just use a different window manager that does things that most X clients don't expect. Mar 03 21:54:29 it implemenst some of X protocol i guess Mar 03 21:55:03 ahhh, you mean its like "Microsoft X" - they took a standard and screwed with it Mar 03 21:55:04 GeneralAntilles: so forwarding a X11 to the tablet works? Mar 03 21:55:20 * texel sighs Mar 03 21:55:23 lol Mar 03 21:56:38 Anybody else still seeing problems with metalayer-crawler on OS2008 (chinook)? Mar 03 21:56:48 * KotCzarny killed it off Mar 03 21:56:56 depends what you defines as `problems' Mar 03 21:56:58 I'm afraid my install generally ends up eating memory like mad, rather than CPU. Mar 03 21:56:58 lol texel, scrollback Mar 03 21:57:10 lcuk: wasn't in here prior to a few minutes ago. =op Mar 03 21:57:25 aquatix: >60MB VMEM usage. Mar 03 21:57:35 hm, ouch Mar 03 21:57:36 in general everyone has to ask about mcrawl Mar 03 21:57:39 sooner or later Mar 03 21:57:44 it's EVIL Mar 03 21:57:52 Not evil. Just oddly implemented, methinks. Mar 03 21:57:59 Is it at least open enough so we can see the source? Mar 03 21:58:00 unnecessary Mar 03 21:58:21 imo whole medialibrary concept is sick Mar 03 21:58:28 usefull sometimes Mar 03 21:58:31 lol Mar 03 21:58:32 but not worth it Mar 03 21:59:02 but i'm not a regular user Mar 03 21:59:04 :) Mar 03 21:59:09 Hrm. So then the next question becomes: are there any outstanding bugs open for it that haven't been marked as "FIXED"? Mar 03 22:00:17 https://bugs.maemo.org ? Mar 03 22:00:18 :) Mar 03 22:00:33 I figured I'd ask since it was just being discussed. =op Mar 03 22:00:40 * texel looks Mar 03 22:00:55 the best fix is to just kill off that evil spawn Mar 03 22:01:12 and replace with? Mar 03 22:01:24 a mouldy kipper would be better Mar 03 22:01:27 doesn't need to be replaced Mar 03 22:01:42 maybe ls -lR ? Mar 03 22:01:43 :) Mar 03 22:01:53 lol Mar 03 22:02:10 hm, it now takes care of finding media files? Mar 03 22:02:25 So while I /have/ removed the link in /etc/rc2.d for it, I'd like to see about assisting in solving this bug. Mar 03 22:02:27 something like that Mar 03 22:03:04 texel: ls -R + extract metadata ONLY on open ? Mar 03 22:03:14 (and remember it) Mar 03 22:03:18 KotCzarny: does mediaplayer work without it? Mar 03 22:03:23 yes Mar 03 22:03:28 eh, k Mar 03 22:03:34 so why does it run then? :D Mar 03 22:03:46 for your convenience Mar 03 22:03:53 KotCzarny: How does that fix the bug? O.o Mar 03 22:04:03 texel: no rescans ? Mar 03 22:05:11 hm, mediaplayer-daemon and metalayer-crawler Mar 03 22:05:25 mediaplayer-daemon is required Mar 03 22:05:36 that's for background music and such? Mar 03 22:05:44 not only music Mar 03 22:05:48 videos too Mar 03 22:06:01 but why daemon :/ Mar 03 22:06:11 because. Mar 03 22:06:20 if you use mplayer you can kill it off too Mar 03 22:06:43 i guess Mar 03 22:07:02 * aquatix moves metalayer-crawler link out of the way Mar 03 22:08:15 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1474#c6 Mar 03 22:08:16 nice Mar 03 22:27:54 anybody here ever got esd or alsa OSS emulation to work? :/ Mar 03 22:31:53 pupnik: tried few times, good ol' friend mr segfault each time Mar 03 22:39:31 greets spirytusick Mar 03 22:40:49 hey pupnik :) Mar 03 22:42:43 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1842 Mar 03 22:42:44 hehe Mar 03 22:42:49 priority: LOW Mar 03 22:42:50 ;) Mar 03 22:44:43 KotCzarny: I disable it :) Mar 03 22:44:52 KotCzarny: but it is annoying :) Mar 03 22:44:52 me too Mar 03 22:45:05 it's just buggy Mar 03 22:45:06 :) Mar 03 22:45:13 i to strasznie :) Mar 03 22:45:25 hehe Mar 03 22:45:38 ok guys :) good night to you all. time to catch some sleep before work tommorow :) Mar 03 22:45:40 tja, tak sie zastanawialem czy to angielskie czy nie do konca Mar 03 22:45:41 ;) Mar 03 22:45:50 KotCzarny: fusion :) Mar 03 22:46:07 KotCzarny: dobranocka :) Mar 03 22:46:12 noc noc Mar 03 22:46:13 :) Mar 03 22:46:14 pupnik: you need some sleep also :) Mar 03 22:46:19 ja posiedze Mar 03 22:46:41 trzym sie KocieCzarny :) Mar 03 22:46:44 any idea why some maemo-launchers are taking a lot of memory? Mar 03 22:46:46 :) Mar 03 22:46:57 good night guys Mar 03 22:46:58 because they're buggy too? Mar 03 22:46:59 :) Mar 03 22:47:03 spirytusick: nn Mar 03 22:51:08 aquatix, you looking at them with top? Mar 03 22:52:08 johnx: yeah Mar 03 22:52:23 I heard someone say that top doesn't take into account shared memory Mar 03 22:52:40 busybox's version Mar 03 22:52:42 that is Mar 03 22:52:49 i guess it has something to do with the programs they launch i guess Mar 03 22:57:53 does anyone have a list of standard processes that can be killed without rebooting device and perhaps a script to run when we want to do this? Mar 03 22:58:04 not yet Mar 03 22:58:18 i think i might just look into it. Mar 03 22:58:30 but you can always turn off watchdog Mar 03 22:58:34 and it won't reboot then Mar 03 22:58:37 just produce something from ps and play with disabling certain apps Mar 03 22:58:39 (by itself) Mar 03 22:58:48 no, never want that gone - it does serve a purpose Mar 03 22:58:56 :) Mar 03 22:59:56 procps compiles ok Mar 03 23:00:00 does the LCD controller do dithering? Mar 03 23:00:04 now that's the top i'm used to Mar 03 23:00:15 pupnik: probably not Mar 03 23:00:18 but it's 16bit Mar 03 23:00:37 PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND Mar 03 23:00:37 1039 user 15 -1 122m 26m 12m S 2.9 21.1 71:13.21 maemo-launcher Mar 03 23:00:41 mplayer -vf noise=3 << on the sample video you can try adding noise - mplayer can handle it (almost) Mar 03 23:02:01 at about noise=5 i start to notive it consciously Mar 03 23:02:05 notice Mar 03 23:04:01 any idea if i it sounds reasonable to optimize a function so much that the cpu slows itself down because it thinks it is going fast enough. or is it just my crappy optimizations actually doing more work... Mar 03 23:04:17 ? Mar 03 23:04:37 nousuk Mar 03 23:04:39 if it slows down, then it's not an optimization Mar 03 23:04:56 ive got a function (drawglyph) which is called once for every glyph on my book reader. i have a sloppy byte oriented method and a faster int32 oriented version Mar 03 23:05:19 buffer writes Mar 03 23:05:20 with the older version i pull 27fps at fullscreen Mar 03 23:05:22 :) Mar 03 23:05:56 now i am exclusively working in longs and doing more work with int32 *s and shifts it is going slower (5fps) Mar 03 23:06:13 you sure its buffer? (i had to finish what i was typing) Mar 03 23:06:31 no no Mar 03 23:06:39 i meant buffer many writes into one Mar 03 23:06:40 lol Mar 03 23:06:49 i do as much as possible Mar 03 23:08:30 the only physical way i could write more memory in one go is to move to assembler and start using the SIMD ops Mar 03 23:08:43 that would be cool Mar 03 23:08:44 :) Mar 03 23:09:18 but i feel the slowdown is my code - i shall investigate further Mar 03 23:09:22 lcuk: you saw ssvb's assembler memcpy samples? Mar 03 23:10:20 no but i know what they will be like based upon what i am looking at here Mar 03 23:10:40 i will be implimenting something soon - there isn't anything left to optimise in c Mar 03 23:11:25 my font glyphs are int32 oriented, limited to 4 pixels width, but its barely noticable and for the speed boost i think its worth it Mar 03 23:11:54 (it took me from 10fps full screen to 20 - the rest has been refinement until now i am at 27 Mar 03 23:12:23 nice Mar 03 23:12:25 hehe Mar 03 23:12:44 http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2007-March/009133.html some info you might know about - or not Mar 03 23:12:46 lcuk: Have gcc dumpt the asm for the two methods. Mar 03 23:12:56 It usually becomes quite apparent why one is faster than the other. Mar 03 23:13:03 *dump Mar 03 23:13:32 thx derf ill take a look Mar 03 23:13:57 * lcuk hasnt read arm assembler yet, but took the manual to the bog last night Mar 03 23:15:15 _Reading_ asm is pretty easy... someone else has taken care of ensuring that all of the quirks and pre-requisites and restrictions of the instructions are satisfied. Mar 03 23:15:25 :> Mar 03 23:16:48 Is there any other usable distros for nokia n800? Mar 03 23:16:56 'are' Mar 03 23:17:18 there is be angstrom and debian Mar 03 23:17:22 neither work completely Mar 03 23:18:00 also, mamona Mar 03 23:18:07 Poky Mar 03 23:18:10 Sorta Mar 03 23:18:23 all of them are "sorta" Mar 03 23:19:24 holy shit, thats shocking Mar 03 23:21:29 it only uses 3 registers for the function and appears to pluck data off the stack as required :'( (in 68k i would use my regs well and fit inside my 256byte cache) gawd, this system looks more and more like an amiga every day ;) Mar 03 23:22:18 :) Mar 03 23:22:29 what would you expect, it's NOT x86 Mar 03 23:23:07 amiga! Mar 03 23:23:15 nearly dead :/ Mar 03 23:23:20 money killed it Mar 03 23:23:23 * fysa faints Mar 03 23:23:39 yer, but the compiler ouput is optimised for a stack system rather than a register system Mar 03 23:24:05 fysa: are you interested in working on UAE? Mar 03 23:24:11 :> Mar 03 23:24:14 which makes me ponder if gcc can be extended Mar 03 23:24:25 lcuk: probably Mar 03 23:24:32 probably it's in the options already Mar 03 23:24:39 man page is big Mar 03 23:24:42 what's the status? Mar 03 23:24:51 fysa: works, but unoptimized Mar 03 23:24:57 needs scaling routines? Mar 03 23:25:04 and better hildonization/ Mar 03 23:25:14 KotCzarny, http://pbfcomics.com/?cid=PBF099-Grammar_Wizard.gif Mar 03 23:26:15 navi: so what? Mar 03 23:26:21 i'm a cat, not a wizard Mar 03 23:26:21 :) Mar 03 23:26:25 does it use xv? Mar 03 23:26:53 so we can take advantage of the upcoming xv hw-scaling update? Mar 03 23:27:16 * KotCzarny didn't looked at the code Mar 03 23:27:18 yet Mar 03 23:27:25 I'm pretty sure it's SD. Mar 03 23:27:28 SDL. Mar 03 23:28:05 fysa, the current xv doesn't have rgb support does it? i noticed in a test program theres only 4 supported modes Mar 03 23:29:34 hmm Mar 03 23:30:06 pupnik: the answer to my question, http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2007-March/009202.html Mar 03 23:30:08 :) Mar 03 23:30:09 steal the converter from mplayer? Mar 03 23:30:10 :> Mar 03 23:30:33 "Screen updates are asynchronous and Mar 03 23:30:33 are performed simultaneously with CPU doing some other useful things at Mar 03 23:30:33 the same time." Mar 03 23:32:02 hmm. Mar 03 23:33:54 http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/ lcuk and Tama^2 you should also stufy Simon's work Mar 03 23:33:57 UAE uses SDL so it doesn't really matter I suppose :) Mar 03 23:34:54 yes fysa.. the speed could be increased greatly on UAE - first through ASM-optimized 68k core and second through video update optimization. But right now with ~10-15 fps the video is not so crucial Mar 03 23:35:24 25fps makes it playable Mar 03 23:35:39 that is doable Mar 03 23:35:45 that would be great Mar 03 23:35:46 :) Mar 03 23:36:00 use superfrog as a testcase :> Mar 03 23:36:17 i dont think you can get enough data tothe lcd for a full 16bit rgb full screen. you can however get the lesser 12bit yuv formats down. ( < reasonable Mar 03 23:36:32 for 25fps Mar 03 23:36:41 amiga was played on tvs anyway Mar 03 23:36:51 so a little fuzz is acceptable Mar 03 23:36:51 :) Mar 03 23:37:07 lcuk - amiga does not require/use 800x480 full-screen Mar 03 23:37:07 so lcuk, you're pushing 12bit updates now or 16bits? Mar 03 23:37:07 speed is more important Mar 03 23:37:18 pupnik: imagine playing full screen Mar 03 23:37:20 :) Mar 03 23:37:54 im pushing a 12bit YUV image - a whole plane of 800*480 bytes of grey data followed by two planes 400*240 for color information Mar 03 23:38:29 but that is with xv, and it manages it smooth as silk Mar 03 23:38:42 when i try the same with sdl it waves at me - its awful Mar 03 23:38:46 hmm Mar 03 23:38:51 you know what would be cool? Mar 03 23:38:53 i would like to use rgb data but with the xv interface Mar 03 23:39:15 scaling leaves some space Mar 03 23:39:23 using that space for controls Mar 03 23:39:52 yes, even lowering to 640*480 increases rendered frames up over 30. plenty of time for work and still have 25fps Mar 03 23:40:19 xv does autoscaling tho - if i ask for 200*480 it will still fill the screen Mar 03 23:40:29 the lcd does the heavy lifting - its been placed into a tv mode Mar 03 23:40:48 cool Mar 03 23:43:49 Most Amiga games are going to be 320x200ish Mar 03 23:43:55 true Mar 03 23:44:03 more like 320x256 though Mar 03 23:44:08 but yes, I agree, ASM-optimized 68k is first. Mar 03 23:44:25 but lcuk says lcd will take care of scaling Mar 03 23:44:45 for xterm, how do i use the alt key? Mar 03 23:45:04 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qipWqOwkceg Mar 03 23:45:16 320x224 seems to be it Mar 03 23:45:43 (link is Shadow of the Beast intro) Mar 03 23:46:25 fysa: doesn't matter as long lcd scales for free Mar 03 23:46:26 :> Mar 03 23:46:38 but it will need smart positioning Mar 03 23:47:12 * Tama^2 wants to play Frontier ;_; Mar 03 23:47:18 I looove that game Mar 03 23:47:19 :> Mar 03 23:47:30 never finished it ;) Mar 03 23:47:35 and it's broken on PCs Mar 03 23:47:44 Amiga is the only way to go Mar 03 23:47:44 Star Glider. Mar 03 23:47:48 ami version has nicer sound Mar 03 23:49:04 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/63/Amiga_Starglider_2.png Mar 03 23:49:10 * KotCzarny made dpkg finally working again Mar 03 23:49:14 what, like elite 2? Mar 03 23:49:18 frontier Mar 03 23:49:18 yes Mar 03 23:49:22 you ever try oolite? Mar 03 23:49:23 frontier is elite 2 Mar 03 23:49:24 :> Mar 03 23:49:29 yeah i used to play the pc version Mar 03 23:49:37 * Mousey huggles FFE!! Mar 03 23:49:56 oh, hey Mousey Mar 03 23:50:01 hi hi pio Mar 03 23:50:12 get an 810 yeT? Mar 03 23:52:04 no Mar 03 23:52:07 gotta hang up to use the phone Mar 03 23:52:09 weee dialup Mar 03 23:52:25 ffe rules Mar 03 23:52:58 still the best game of it's type Mar 03 23:53:06 agreed Mar 03 23:53:10 of any type really Mar 03 23:53:16 proper planets and shit Mar 03 23:53:19 aen Mar 03 23:53:20 amen Mar 03 23:53:31 Oolite is a good one. Mar 03 23:53:38 it's almos time to read forums.frontier.co.uk again and ping about the E4 release timeline Mar 03 23:54:03 i can't understand why nobody's made a proper clone of FE2 Mar 03 23:54:04 or ffe Mar 03 23:54:06 pupnik: is this UAE4ALL, E-UAE? Mar 03 23:54:54 http://wiki.gp2x.org/wiki/UAE4all Mar 03 23:55:03 no regular debian uae - but osemutech has some work on euae http://cid-de1b8fbb27739ebd.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/Public/files Mar 03 23:55:03 virtual keyboard Mar 03 23:55:16 yeah i saw it Mar 03 23:55:33 but.. "It isn't using an ASM core" Mar 03 23:55:49 I will do some digging for an m68k core in ASM. Mar 03 23:55:57 it is called 'cyclone' Mar 03 23:56:29 ah Mar 03 23:56:35 MAME GP2X uses it. Mar 03 23:56:36 umkay. apt-get works again too. Mar 03 23:56:52 * KotCzarny restores damages after uninstalling localization packages Mar 03 23:56:53 :> Mar 03 23:58:29 Has anyone here tried to run the "How to Use Camera API" How-To on an N800 running the 2008 distro? It seems to run ridiculously slow, so I'm wondering if I'm doing something wrong. Mar 04 00:00:37 UAE4ALL for GP2X is using the cyclone core. hopefully it hasn't diverged from the fork too much. Mar 04 00:10:58 fysa: if you're a decent coder it might not be too much effort to port uae4all to the tablet Mar 04 00:12:34 hi Mar 04 00:26:20 how would I install something liek wget or screen? is it soemthing like windows where you double click a setup file? Mar 04 00:26:41 yes Mar 04 00:26:50 enable extras repository in app-manager Mar 04 00:27:04 then just browse to it and choose 'install' Mar 04 00:27:05 ...though some things can only be installed from the command line Mar 04 00:27:26 Nokia-N800-51-3:/mnt/ts/mplayer-1.0rc1# apt-get install wget Mar 04 00:27:31 The following NEW packages will be installed: Mar 04 00:27:31 wget Mar 04 00:27:32 ok Mar 04 00:27:32 :) Mar 04 00:27:57 damn KotCzarny you seem to always be online Mar 04 00:28:07 Nokia-N800-51-3:/mnt/ts/mplayer-1.0rc1# wget -V Mar 04 00:28:07 GNU Wget 1.10.2 Mar 04 00:28:28 hmm Mar 04 00:28:37 one more, it's in: Get:1 http://repository.maemo.org chinook/free wget 1.10.2-2osso2 [609kB] Mar 04 00:28:43 so you have to add it Mar 04 00:28:47 by hand Mar 04 00:29:02 that will also enable much more linuxish stuff Mar 04 00:29:12 how do i add it in by hand? Mar 04 00:29:18 download deb Mar 04 00:29:26 then dpkg -i name.deb Mar 04 00:29:28 oh Mar 04 00:29:42 ah Mar 04 00:29:43 i should have that repo Mar 04 00:29:43 repo Mar 04 00:29:44 let me see Mar 04 00:29:47 yes Mar 04 00:29:49 in app-man Mar 04 00:29:50 :) Mar 04 00:30:18 what do you use for irc on the tablet? Mar 04 00:30:23 ssh Mar 04 00:30:25 :) Mar 04 00:30:32 irssi? Mar 04 00:30:37 i have shell on my wrt54g Mar 04 00:30:43 and screen & epic there Mar 04 00:30:51 how would you use the alt key? Mar 04 00:31:02 i switch windows with that Mar 04 00:31:08 i don't know Mar 04 00:31:13 oh Mar 04 00:31:14 right now i'm from my lappy still Mar 04 00:31:46 it's ok. alt-tab won't change windows on the tablet anyways :) Mar 04 00:31:51 * johnx has a keyboard finally Mar 04 00:31:56 johnx, wrong Mar 04 00:32:02 it's for irssi windows Mar 04 00:32:06 alt-number Mar 04 00:32:07 :) Mar 04 00:32:10 aaah Mar 04 00:32:19 * johnx goes back to n00bsville Mar 04 00:32:22 :) Mar 04 00:32:24 heh Mar 04 00:32:32 wait, so how do you switch windows in yours? Mar 04 00:32:55 i'm in the phase of adding software to n800 Mar 04 00:33:02 oh Mar 04 00:33:04 what the Mar 04 00:33:04 so my lappy is still my main machine Mar 04 00:33:08 how long have you had it? Mar 04 00:33:13 ~week Mar 04 00:33:13 [week] 7 days or 168 hours or 10,080 minutes or 604,800 seconds. Mar 04 00:33:21 how the blaze do you know so much Mar 04 00:33:21 lol Mar 04 00:33:22 ~fuck Mar 04 00:33:23 Now where did I put the lube...? Eh, no matter, dry it is tonight! Mar 04 00:33:31 ~pr0n Mar 04 00:33:41 poor bot. Mar 04 00:33:45 doesn't know abour pr0n Mar 04 00:33:46 :> Mar 04 00:33:54 hrm, i added that repo and i still cant see wget 1.10 Mar 04 00:33:58 clin: i use linux for many years Mar 04 00:34:10 clin: refresh repos Mar 04 00:34:19 it does it automatically Mar 04 00:34:29 maybe you need redpill then Mar 04 00:34:33 im in it Mar 04 00:34:39 lets try xterm Mar 04 00:35:03 * KotCzarny is compiling mencoder + tv support Mar 04 00:35:12 only packages that are marked section "user/foo" show up in app manager Mar 04 00:35:13 mencoder? Mar 04 00:35:17 wget is in section web Mar 04 00:35:22 i put all thougfh Mar 04 00:35:25 but lets check Mar 04 00:35:26 just use apt-get from the command line Mar 04 00:35:46 stay away from red pill mode Mar 04 00:35:53 :> Mar 04 00:35:58 wait Mar 04 00:36:01 * KotCzarny loves controll Mar 04 00:36:06 control Mar 04 00:36:22 when i instaleld wget using apt-get it alrdy downloaded that Mar 04 00:36:25 why am i doing ti again? Mar 04 00:37:07 doing what again? Mar 04 00:37:39 nothing, it works Mar 04 00:37:43 ;) Mar 04 00:37:51 KotCzarny, made it seemlike i had to install wget twice Mar 04 00:38:19 he's tricky like that Mar 04 00:38:48 * cLin shakes fist Mar 04 00:38:56 :> Mar 04 00:39:05 at least you don't pay per-kb Mar 04 00:39:53 you dont know if im not connected toa phone or not :P Mar 04 00:40:00 * cLin puts on tin foil hat Mar 04 00:40:05 - cLin is i=clin@pool-71-106-184-56.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net (clin) Mar 04 00:40:06 ;) Mar 04 00:40:17 yea, but thats not my n800 Mar 04 00:40:18 though it could be shell Mar 04 00:40:46 still you wouldn't be installing software on cellphone net Mar 04 00:41:03 i may be just that dumb Mar 04 00:41:29 :> Mar 04 00:41:34 that's your words Mar 04 00:41:49 you sure showed him, cLin :D Mar 04 00:41:54 lol Mar 04 00:42:20 mplayer is compiling, let's eat something Mar 04 00:42:20 :) Mar 04 00:43:26 anyone wants to see retu-adc output from the last 2 days? Mar 04 00:43:27 :> Mar 04 00:43:56 yeah, sounds interesting Mar 04 00:44:14 http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/batt2gp.png Mar 04 00:44:44 field #8 looks like a battery voltage Mar 04 00:45:09 does the uptick correspond with you shutting off wireless or the screen or plugging it in? Mar 04 00:45:15 #3 looks like charging + battery voltage Mar 04 00:45:29 it was idle most of the time Mar 04 00:45:48 on 4/3 0:0 i have made some mplayer tests Mar 04 00:45:59 so it discharged faster Mar 04 00:46:05 wifi was on all the time Mar 04 00:46:09 though idle often Mar 04 00:46:54 but what is up with the part just after 4/3 20:00? Mar 04 00:47:06 i have connected charger Mar 04 00:47:16 because it dropped to 'battery low' state Mar 04 00:48:07 (yes, i'm planning to write my own console battery checker based on this :) Mar 04 00:48:22 that would be very cool Mar 04 00:48:30 there's one for n770 Mar 04 00:48:32 I think a couple people will be interested in that at least Mar 04 00:48:53 there is battery status, but it just pulls info from dbus Mar 04 00:49:01 so there's no way to see what's really going on Mar 04 00:49:17 retu-adc returns battery voltage, i guess Mar 04 00:49:41 but i have yet to scale it Mar 04 00:49:44 or analyze Mar 04 00:50:13 what i'm planning to do is statusbar plugin Mar 04 00:50:19 one icon to do it all Mar 04 00:50:25 wow Mar 04 00:50:26 one icon to rule the n800 Mar 04 00:50:27 ;) Mar 04 00:50:35 that would be nice Mar 04 00:50:41 and it won't pull from dsme/bme? Mar 04 00:50:46 dsme? Mar 04 00:51:03 device state management entity (I think) Mar 04 00:51:07 o.O Mar 04 00:51:08 Can't remove Nokia's battery icon from GUI. :( Mar 04 00:51:15 If you've got a bogus repository on the application manager, resulting in stalled library updates, is there a way of finding out wha library is the culprit shy of trail and error disabling of each one at a time? Mar 04 00:51:31 esworp, have you already checked the log? Mar 04 00:51:33 ga: i think about replacing matchbox with fluxbox Mar 04 00:51:54 that's why i will need something standalone Mar 04 00:52:05 and not depending on maemo (too much) Mar 04 00:52:20 dsme handles some interactions with the hardware Mar 04 00:53:01 changing topic, i have noticed 'fastmem-arm9' dir in mplayer Mar 04 00:53:08 is it used or only sits there? Mar 04 00:53:39 Oh, looky. Duplicate entries, missing public keys, and Mar 04 00:53:42 Oh, looky. Duplicate entries, missing public keys, and duplicates. Wonder which one causes the stall... Mar 04 00:53:47 :> Mar 04 00:54:40 * johnx sees duplicates, too :P Mar 04 00:54:52 * KotCzarny fakes a stall Mar 04 00:54:53 you'll always have missing public keys Mar 04 01:11:50 * pupnik is getting all kinds of happy with tweaked transcodes Mar 04 01:12:12 pupnik, pink and fuzzy kind of happy? :-) Mar 04 01:13:20 2 hr movie down to 450MB with no blockyness, ringing or smearing Mar 04 01:13:25 maemo_os_version_string Mar 04 01:13:37 anyone knows what lib provides it? Mar 04 01:14:00 ah, nvm. found it Mar 04 01:14:13 awesome Mar 04 01:14:18 i got everything working on irssi Mar 04 01:16:07 [sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: ~/mplayer-1.0rc1] > ls -l mencoder Mar 04 01:16:07 -rwxrwxr-x 1 sbox sbox 5365972 Mar 3 20:16 mencoder Mar 04 01:16:08 :> Mar 04 01:16:43 and you're going to do what with that now? Mar 04 01:17:00 stream vid from cam Mar 04 01:17:01 :> Mar 04 01:17:03 nice Mar 04 01:17:15 or at least see if it can encode/work with it Mar 04 01:17:19 you saw the vlc build already I assume? Mar 04 01:17:28 never used vlc Mar 04 01:17:38 mplayer/mencoder worked for me Mar 04 01:20:18 hmm Mar 04 01:20:30 i wonder why it can't init itself Mar 04 01:22:16 if someone has a good full-featured vlc+ffmpeg build for x86 debian* that'd be nice Mar 04 01:22:34 what is the debian build missing? Mar 04 01:23:10 pupnik: you know mencoder a little Mar 04 01:23:10 i don't have time to write that book. Mar 04 01:23:22 why it doesn't like me? Mar 04 01:23:23 like... being able to transcode with mp3 audio Mar 04 01:23:35 what's not working KotCzarny Mar 04 01:23:55 http://pastebin.com/m35d04a57 Mar 04 01:24:10 it opens v4l2 interface ok Mar 04 01:24:17 but then fails finding codec Mar 04 01:25:30 aaaaaargh. Mar 04 01:25:32 rebooted. Mar 04 01:25:40 I HATE WATCHDOG. Mar 04 01:25:53 my precious batt-log file :/ Mar 04 01:25:57 mencoder -ovc help Mar 04 01:26:12 dunno KotCzarny Mar 04 01:26:24 i have added -fps option Mar 04 01:26:26 then it worked Mar 04 01:26:42 heh Mar 04 01:27:14 wow Mar 04 01:27:18 it actually captured vid Mar 04 01:27:22 :> Mar 04 01:28:34 KotCzarny, disable watchdog Mar 04 01:28:41 i know Mar 04 01:28:56 but i didn't knew it simply reboot on high cpu usage Mar 04 01:29:02 it shouldn't Mar 04 01:29:05 ding ding Mar 04 01:29:07 it did Mar 04 01:29:09 apparently Mar 04 01:29:29 basically it will only reboot if some app being watched by watchdog doesn't respond in 60 (I think) seconds Mar 04 01:29:56 so either that app crashed from what you were doing or it couldn't get enough time to respond Mar 04 01:30:10 it will be the latter Mar 04 01:30:25 it'd be neat to have an omap3430 + maemo tablet device with 1280x720 screen Mar 04 01:30:44 it'd be nice to have them make more progress on resolution independences Mar 04 01:31:06 it'd be nice to make all software open Mar 04 01:31:23 just need someone to open an N800 and wire it up to a larger LCD. Mar 04 01:31:33 :> Mar 04 01:31:39 maybe laptop LCD. Mar 04 01:31:46 it would be nice to have infinite batteries Mar 04 01:31:53 czr: solar panels Mar 04 01:31:54 and then put a laptop touchscreen on the LCD.. Mar 04 01:32:04 make it 225 dpi, with a 5.7" wide screen... Mar 04 01:32:05 I want my radio-isotope generator w/ 20 years of runtime Mar 04 01:32:10 KotCzarny, in .fi? hah :-) Mar 04 01:32:11 there are reasonable/portable/cheap ones giving you 2W Mar 04 01:32:14 EEE screen ;) Mar 04 01:32:19 should be enough for n800 Mar 04 01:32:20 :) Mar 04 01:32:36 EEE screen w/touchscreen overlay, wall-mounted Mar 04 01:32:48 the dpi would be too low Mar 04 01:32:55 not really.. Mar 04 01:32:57 200dpi+ is great for ebooks Mar 04 01:33:00 10 foot interface Mar 04 01:33:06 it's not Mar 04 01:33:13 100dpi is more than enough Mar 04 01:33:26 it would be good for a wall-mounted display, in a hallway or next to the door/in the kitchen. Mar 04 01:33:28 and at 100dpi you can make bigger screen Mar 04 01:33:30 I would put it in the kitchen. Mar 04 01:33:34 perfect kitchen browser.. Mar 04 01:33:36 KotCzarny, I think it comes down to individual taste Mar 04 01:33:38 fysa: stream it Mar 04 01:33:50 you wall mount can simply receive and display Mar 04 01:33:52 fysa, sounds like a simpad Mar 04 01:33:53 vnc Mar 04 01:34:05 much of what you can only do with a stylus in Hildon, could be done with a finger at the EEE display dpi. Mar 04 01:34:06 we can call it an "x terminal" Mar 04 01:34:07 :) Mar 04 01:34:13 n terminal Mar 04 01:34:14 :) Mar 04 01:34:22 n-ter m Mar 04 01:34:26 i.e., the stylus keyboard would be usable with fingers easily Mar 04 01:34:48 I missed that you were talking about a wall mountable display, earlier Mar 04 01:34:53 :> Mar 04 01:35:20 O.o Mar 04 01:35:26 i'm getting 13fps from webcam Mar 04 01:35:28 O.o Mar 04 01:35:41 not bad Mar 04 01:35:46 at full resolution? Mar 04 01:35:48 at 320x200 though Mar 04 01:35:49 ;) Mar 04 01:35:54 at full it barely makes 0.5fps Mar 04 01:35:55 (; Mar 04 01:36:02 that's unfortunate :/ Mar 04 01:37:35 7" Optronics display. Mar 04 01:37:42 http://images.tweaktown.com/imagebank/eeepc16_s.jpg Mar 04 01:38:08 hmm Mar 04 01:38:09 USB touchscreen controller. Mar 04 01:38:12 10fps is ok Mar 04 01:38:14 i guess Mar 04 01:38:32 but i need fast encoding options for lavc Mar 04 01:39:16 mpeg1? Mar 04 01:39:18 mjpeg? Mar 04 01:39:25 cmd line pls? Mar 04 01:39:36 sorry, don't know...just thinking out loud Mar 04 01:40:18 only lavc compiled in. hum Mar 04 01:40:41 -lavcopts:vcodec=mjpeg Mar 04 01:41:06 can I have the mencoder binary to play with? Mar 04 01:41:16 I'll try and find something that works... Mar 04 01:41:18 ok, just a moment Mar 04 01:41:30 you want the one i have compiled? Mar 04 01:41:34 or for x86? Mar 04 01:41:53 the one for the tablet Mar 04 01:42:27 every x86 machine I have already has mencoder :) Mar 04 01:42:30 ;) Mar 04 01:43:19 hmm Mar 04 01:44:05 mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/mencoder.gz Mar 04 01:44:38 -lavcopts:vcodec=mjpeg is not an MEncoder option Mar 04 01:44:39 :) Mar 04 01:44:42 LVDS, VGA or TTL? Mar 04 01:44:54 certainly not VGA. Mar 04 01:45:05 on the eee or n800? Mar 04 01:45:09 N800 Mar 04 01:45:23 Optronics manufactures, found their product line Mar 04 01:45:28 they have 6.5" also Mar 04 01:45:32 in 800x480 Mar 04 01:46:57 what was the command for temporal blur in mencoder? Mar 04 01:47:17 3dsomething? Mar 04 01:48:22 it's poor. Mar 04 01:48:33 btw. for video calls any program using v4l2 interface will work Mar 04 01:48:34 :> Mar 04 01:48:53 (no nokia specific hacks needed) Mar 04 01:49:28 yes, I believe 'motion' has been ported Mar 04 01:50:08 so, are you going to keep the Nokia ITOS distro and just hack some software on to it? or are you going to get a whole different distro running? Mar 04 01:51:06 with a larger screen? Mar 04 01:51:16 who? Mar 04 01:51:41 KotCzarny, you. :) you mentioned getting fluxbox running and replacing the statusbar applets Mar 04 01:51:48 yes Mar 04 01:51:52 i guess i'll do both Mar 04 01:52:04 itos on mtd Mar 04 01:52:16 and some kind of slackware on mmc Mar 04 01:52:30 are you pretty set on slackware? Mar 04 01:52:34 yes Mar 04 01:52:38 ah Mar 04 01:52:49 it's my distro of choice Mar 04 01:52:53 simple and effective Mar 04 01:53:06 seems like all of us working on getting a mainstream distro on the N8x0 has picked a different distro :/ Mar 04 01:53:11 :> Mar 04 01:53:21 johnx: it doesn't matter what distro you use Mar 04 01:53:28 as long as sources are available Mar 04 01:53:33 you can package it for yourself Mar 04 01:54:18 yeah, I know. I was just holding out hope that someone was going to help with Debian on the N8x0 ;) Mar 04 01:54:28 :) Mar 04 01:54:53 Your other options are: mjpeg (motion jpeg), ljpeg (lossless jpeg), h263, h263p, msmpeg4 (DivX 3), msmpeg4v2 (MS MPEG4v2), wmv1 (Windows Media Video, version 1), wmv2 (Windows Media Video, version 2), rv10 (an old RealVideo codec), mpeg1video, mpeg2video, huffyuv, ffvhuff, asv1, asv2 and ffv1. Mar 04 01:54:54 nice Mar 04 01:55:22 sooo...about getting a copy of your mencoder ARM binary? Mar 04 01:55:30 i have posted a link Mar 04 01:55:33 didn't i? Mar 04 01:55:39 ah...did I miss it? O_o Mar 04 01:55:44 probably Mar 04 01:55:45 :) Mar 04 01:55:48 yes Mar 04 01:55:54 I did miss it... Mar 04 01:56:03 mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/mencoder.gz Mar 04 01:56:10 thanks Mar 04 01:56:26 grabbing it now Mar 04 01:57:51 how do i avoid swscaler? Mar 04 02:11:27 KotCzarny, it's just for the colorspace conversion, right? Mar 04 02:12:20 yes Mar 04 02:12:32 SwScaler: 176x144 -> 176x144 Mar 04 02:12:42 well, you pretty much need it unless you want raw output, unless I'm confused Mar 04 02:12:46 just a quick question, can someone tell me the n810's screen resolution? Mar 04 02:12:55 800x480 Mar 04 02:12:55 800x480 Mar 04 02:12:58 thank you :) Mar 04 02:13:04 lol Mar 04 02:13:23 bye Mar 04 02:15:54 mencoder for the N800? Mar 04 02:15:55 brilliant Mar 04 02:16:03 a little underpowered Mar 04 02:16:05 :) Mar 04 02:16:11 wait until idle.. Mar 04 02:16:18 idle? Mar 04 02:16:21 how? Mar 04 02:16:36 libalarm? Mar 04 02:16:48 here you go -- Mar 04 02:16:53 i thought mencoder has it already Mar 04 02:17:02 I don't know, does it? Mar 04 02:17:25 basically, queue jobs and then process while plugged in and the device untouched/screensaver mode. Mar 04 02:17:45 maybe too much. Mar 04 02:17:51 fysa, it's grabbing from webcam Mar 04 02:17:57 it has to be rt.. Mar 04 02:18:07 oh, I meant for transcoding on the device :) Mar 04 02:18:44 i would use pc for that Mar 04 02:18:52 i needed mencoder to check v4l2 Mar 04 02:18:53 :) Mar 04 02:18:57 but you could use it to keep your hands warm :) Mar 04 02:19:04 :) Mar 04 02:28:33 well I have *something* Mar 04 02:28:41 the color conversion seems to be screwed up though :/ Mar 04 02:29:25 cmdline? Mar 04 02:29:33 mencoder -tv driver=v4l2:width=320:height=240:device=/dev/video0 -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg1video -ofps 5 -nosound -o /media/mmc2/video/video.mpeg tv:// Mar 04 02:30:11 thx Mar 04 02:30:45 gets you mpeg1 video with really weird color Mar 04 02:31:00 mpeg1video worked for me without a problem Mar 04 02:31:20 the only problem is some light blocks in the video Mar 04 02:38:07 KotCzarny, try playback on the tablet itself Mar 04 02:38:19 I guess it's a bug in mplayer, not mencoder Mar 04 02:38:19 that's why i test it Mar 04 02:38:20 heh Mar 04 02:38:25 works in mine Mar 04 02:38:30 O_o Mar 04 02:38:54 .24 and .25 Mar 04 02:38:55 what kind of speeds do you get with scp -c blowfish to N8x0 tablet? i'm getting about 650kB/s Mar 04 02:39:08 pupnik: that's reasonable Mar 04 02:39:51 KotCzarny, so you can use the command line that I gave you on your tablet and playback the result in mplayer .25? Mar 04 02:39:52 seems to start much higher, then stabilize around 646-652 Mar 04 02:40:07 wait a moment Mar 04 02:40:24 check the CPU while that's going on. Mar 04 02:41:51 38% sshd, 32% OMAP McSPI/0, 4-6 %cx3110x Mar 04 02:42:22 pretty much the same speed as a big wget Mar 04 02:42:29 hey, mjpeg output looks nice Mar 04 02:42:42 no weird chunks either Mar 04 02:42:55 actually, that's the nicest output I've ever seen from the camera Mar 04 02:43:52 network is, IMO, the biggest bottleneck toward streaming high quality video. Mar 04 02:44:43 hmm Mar 04 02:44:45 i see chunks Mar 04 02:45:09 try this: mencoder -tv driver=v4l2:width=320:height=240:device=/dev/video0 -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mjpeg -ofps 5 -nosound -o /media/mmc2/video/video.mjpeg tv:// Mar 04 02:45:31 and the color thing I was running into was related to -vo nokia770 Mar 04 02:45:56 are you using an older mplayer then johnx? Mar 04 02:46:12 yes, no chunks when using mjpeg Mar 04 02:46:19 nice Mar 04 02:46:21 pupnik: it's not the mplayer Mar 04 02:46:30 the color problems are mplayer Mar 04 02:46:31 it's probably underpowered cpu Mar 04 02:46:40 johnx: i have no color problems Mar 04 02:46:45 recorded/played fine Mar 04 02:46:50 try -vo nokia770 or -vo xv Mar 04 02:47:05 works fine Mar 04 02:47:09 as expected Mar 04 02:47:10 and you're on mplayer .24 or .25? Mar 04 02:47:14 .24 Mar 04 02:47:22 heh...maybe it's a regression, then Mar 04 02:47:24 but .25 too Mar 04 02:47:25 I'm on .25 Mar 04 02:47:33 no problems altogether Mar 04 02:47:42 well, I don't know then Mar 04 02:47:50 let me see if it happens with other videos I guess Mar 04 02:47:51 ... Mar 04 02:47:55 but my mplayer can differ from yours Mar 04 02:48:00 though it shouldn't Mar 04 02:48:24 i can put a vid with chunks Mar 04 02:48:27 so you can test Mar 04 02:49:36 hang on on sec Mar 04 02:50:01 ah, actually my tablet is in an undefined state I think Mar 04 02:50:06 all video is screwed up right now Mar 04 02:50:10 lol Mar 04 02:50:12 :) Mar 04 02:50:21 reboot? Mar 04 02:50:25 I will in a sec Mar 04 02:50:31 wanna see if you can break yours? Mar 04 02:50:38 how? Mar 04 02:50:45 open the video call thing Mar 04 02:51:04 let it show video for a couple seconds, then try playing a movie Mar 04 02:51:13 if 'internet call' ? Mar 04 02:51:18 yeah Mar 04 02:51:49 should i close it before mencoder? Mar 04 02:51:58 I think I did Mar 04 02:52:20 anways, the video was fine all along Mar 04 02:52:28 or rather the "captured video" Mar 04 02:52:37 it was just the display part that was wonky Mar 04 02:53:26 btw. 320x240 is unsupported by the cam Mar 04 02:53:36 hmm? Mar 04 02:53:43 it uses 176 x 144 when you tell it to use 320x240 Mar 04 02:53:47 aaah Mar 04 02:53:51 no wonder things were so fast Mar 04 02:53:54 :) Mar 04 02:54:00 use 352x288 Mar 04 02:54:06 I got 320x240 video as output though Mar 04 02:54:15 i guess mplayer rescaled it Mar 04 02:54:15 uhm...video is still screwed up O_o Mar 04 02:54:25 maybe, don't do the thing I did Mar 04 02:54:32 which one? Mar 04 02:54:42 I mean, video output on my n800 Mar 04 02:54:53 as in known good files play in a small box in incorrect colors Mar 04 02:55:04 through a reboot Mar 04 02:55:05 WOW! Mar 04 02:55:08 352x288 Mar 04 02:55:13 you won't believe Mar 04 02:55:14 :) Mar 04 02:55:51 hang on, priorities changed until this works again :( Mar 04 02:56:31 mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/cam.avi Mar 04 02:56:49 nice quality, but blocky Mar 04 02:57:07 what codec? Mar 04 02:57:16 ffodivx Mar 04 02:57:26 really? interesting Mar 04 02:57:28 exec mencoder \ Mar 04 02:57:28 tv:// -tv driver=v4l2:width=352:height=288:device=/dev/video0 \ Mar 04 02:57:28 -nosound \ Mar 04 02:57:28 -ofps 10 \ Mar 04 02:57:28 -ovc lavc \ Mar 04 02:57:28 -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:mbd=2:turbo:vbitrate=300 \ Mar 04 02:57:30 -o cam.avi Mar 04 02:57:42 oops Mar 04 02:57:45 :) Mar 04 02:59:06 looks nice Mar 04 02:59:18 I wonder how mjpeg avoids those blocky artifacts Mar 04 02:59:22 yes, but it's probably because it has much light Mar 04 02:59:33 johnx: maybe it's because system load Mar 04 02:59:36 yes, because it's a video *of a light* Mar 04 02:59:56 I mean...that's about the most optimal situation possible for that camera :) Mar 04 03:00:03 :) Mar 04 03:00:18 but good to know that in good light it's usable Mar 04 03:00:34 and has decent quality at ~400x300 Mar 04 03:00:55 ~4fps only though at this res Mar 04 03:01:18 ok, back to swscaler thing Mar 04 03:01:29 how to make it go away Mar 04 03:01:58 mplayer is still b0rked here, after a shutdown and 30 seconds with no batter or ac Mar 04 03:02:04 hmm Mar 04 03:02:42 and system player? Mar 04 03:02:47 trying it now Mar 04 03:03:22 johnx: debian today! :P Mar 04 03:03:58 * rm_you starts downloading the image Mar 04 03:04:14 rm_you, cool. I still haven't figured out audio Mar 04 03:04:21 or network-manager Mar 04 03:04:24 <_< Mar 04 03:04:26 i'll try to help Mar 04 03:04:30 a hardware keyboard will help though Mar 04 03:04:46 a hardware keyboard that I can use at the console, from boot :D Mar 04 03:04:48 bluetooth keyboard? >_> Mar 04 03:04:51 hrm Mar 04 03:04:52 yeah... Mar 04 03:04:56 nope, usb Mar 04 03:04:56 never got mine working Mar 04 03:05:07 dunno about that adapter Mar 04 03:05:10 though i can try again Mar 04 03:05:16 I got a different one Mar 04 03:05:22 just a basic female-female Mar 04 03:05:25 from akiba? Mar 04 03:05:27 yeah Mar 04 03:05:31 how much was it? Mar 04 03:05:37 $5 Mar 04 03:05:40 hrm Mar 04 03:05:49 you're better off getting the nice one from that guy in canada though Mar 04 03:05:52 and a little keyboard from that keyboard store Mar 04 03:05:53 want to ship me one with one of those $1 teapot strainer replacements? :P Mar 04 03:05:58 ahaha Mar 04 03:06:07 lol Mar 04 03:06:42 so, is the image on the itt wiki the latest/greatest? Mar 04 03:07:02 yeah Mar 04 03:07:10 just need a couple changes to make buttons work Mar 04 03:07:16 all is documented on the wiki Mar 04 03:07:28 k Mar 04 03:07:34 i have a whole 4g card to devote to it Mar 04 03:07:42 ok, color is screwed up in the default media player too Mar 04 03:07:46 hrm k Mar 04 03:07:55 i'll prolly start with audio, then move to mplayer/video Mar 04 03:07:58 uhm...I'm kinda worried now Mar 04 03:08:01 o.o Mar 04 03:08:03 as that would be my priorities Mar 04 03:08:06 ? Mar 04 03:08:13 how exactly it's screwed? Mar 04 03:08:19 rm_you, talking about something else... Mar 04 03:08:36 ? Mar 04 03:08:47 KotCzarny, it's not scaled to the proper size, and video is in some weird shifted color space Mar 04 03:08:50 hard to describe Mar 04 03:09:04 hmm Mar 04 03:09:17 but it only affects videos? Mar 04 03:09:25 I'll see if a screenshot captures it, Mar 04 03:09:42 only video outputted with xv or nokia770 scaler Mar 04 03:09:55 -vo x11 is fine Mar 04 03:10:05 so it's xv related? Mar 04 03:10:09 and the builtin media player has exactly the same effect Mar 04 03:10:21 -vo nokia770 ? Mar 04 03:10:29 is affected Mar 04 03:10:37 hum Mar 04 03:10:56 try running internet call app? Mar 04 03:11:33 the video in that worked Mar 04 03:11:38 hrm Mar 04 03:11:40 but other video is still broken Mar 04 03:11:56 rm_you, I'm in ITOS and managed to b0rk video output somehow Mar 04 03:11:59 hrm.... step 1: fanoush initfs.... Mar 04 03:12:01 * rm_you goes Mar 04 03:12:09 >_> Mar 04 03:12:34 btw. which nokia do you have? Mar 04 03:12:38 n800 Mar 04 03:12:42 same as mine Mar 04 03:12:58 wasn't -vo nokia770 disabled for ... n800 now? Mar 04 03:13:02 nope Mar 04 03:13:08 works better than xv Mar 04 03:13:11 you're sharing one? no wonder there's some occasional problems with the video Mar 04 03:13:14 ok ty Mar 04 03:13:25 lol Mar 04 03:14:32 actually...I know what this might be Mar 04 03:15:26 this might be related to my custom kernel and I just haven't played video since I flashed it O_o Mar 04 03:15:39 :) Mar 04 03:16:20 >_> Mar 04 03:17:50 * johnx crosses fingers Mar 04 03:23:24 woo! Mar 04 03:23:28 :) Mar 04 03:24:29 heh...that means there is no good way to have a kernel that can display console messages and video Mar 04 03:24:31 that kind of sucks Mar 04 03:24:41 why Mar 04 03:24:49 you can make some virt console Mar 04 03:24:51 to do that Mar 04 03:25:10 or send it via syslog? Mar 04 03:25:29 I guess, rather "no good way to display a console while booting" Mar 04 03:25:37 fb? Mar 04 03:25:45 serial? Mar 04 03:26:05 yeah, I could wire up serial...but I'd rather not Mar 04 03:26:19 and to make it display on fb I need that option that screws up video Mar 04 03:26:31 it's something like CONFIG_OMAP_FB_MANUAL_UPDATE Mar 04 03:26:52 * GeneralAntilles takes his Thanks! back. :P Mar 04 03:27:06 :> Mar 04 03:27:06 ahahaha Mar 04 03:27:18 givertaker :P Mar 04 03:27:30 hey, you never stipulated video had to work too Mar 04 03:27:37 I didn't even notice this problem for ~1 month Mar 04 03:27:39 I never stipulated shit! Mar 04 03:28:16 I'm glad I didn't panic and reflash everything at least Mar 04 03:28:31 cause that would have fixed it and I still wouldn't know what causes it :/ Mar 04 03:28:36 :) Mar 04 03:28:53 but i still get those blocks :/ Mar 04 03:29:11 and i'm trying to find what other vid formats this cam supports Mar 04 03:29:13 mjpeg :) Mar 04 03:29:19 mjpeg sucks. Mar 04 03:29:20 :) Mar 04 03:29:35 you're just jealous that I thought of it first and it works :D Mar 04 03:29:40 nope Mar 04 03:29:44 i have tested it too Mar 04 03:29:55 but i would like mpeg4 working Mar 04 03:29:56 :) Mar 04 03:30:09 that's a little much for this poor thing Mar 04 03:30:17 :) Mar 04 03:30:34 maybe the same codec they use for video conferencing? Mar 04 03:30:45 if i can't avoid software scaling.. Mar 04 03:30:54 which one? Mar 04 03:31:01 dunno what it's called Mar 04 03:31:04 H something Mar 04 03:31:08 tried it Mar 04 03:31:13 blocky too Mar 04 03:31:14 too many freaking codecs that start with H Mar 04 03:31:53 but i have only compiled h263, h263p Mar 04 03:32:02 h263 = oldskool, h264 = newskool :P Mar 04 03:32:04 external lib is needed for 264 Mar 04 03:32:12 i may play with it later Mar 04 03:32:15 isn't that really processor intensive? Mar 04 03:32:18 YES Mar 04 03:32:21 dear jesus yes >_> Mar 04 03:32:23 I was thinking H323 I think... Mar 04 03:32:25 that's why i didn't bothered Mar 04 03:32:27 :) Mar 04 03:32:28 i experimented with it on the n800... Mar 04 03:32:32 it works sorta Mar 04 03:32:36 but not feasiblt Mar 04 03:32:38 *feasibly Mar 04 03:32:41 rm: encoding or decoding? Mar 04 03:32:42 ;) Mar 04 03:32:46 decoding Mar 04 03:32:54 we are testing encoding Mar 04 03:32:56 IE, playing with mplayer Mar 04 03:33:03 lol Mar 04 03:33:09 encoding on n800 would take... eons Mar 04 03:33:17 mjpeg and mpeg1 are fine Mar 04 03:33:21 mpeg4 too Mar 04 03:33:32 5-10fps webcam @ 3xx X 2xx Mar 04 03:33:49 erm Mar 04 03:34:07 that webcam can't do more than 4fps @352x288 Mar 04 03:34:15 and it's not mencoder related Mar 04 03:34:15 ah right Mar 04 03:34:17 i guess Mar 04 03:34:30 I forgot that my 320x240 was actually grabbing at 176 x something Mar 04 03:34:41 it looked fine though Mar 04 03:34:54 :> Mar 04 03:35:04 Too bad about IVA2. :( Mar 04 03:35:10 MPEG1/2 does not support 4/1 fps Mar 04 03:35:12 ehehe Mar 04 03:35:16 iva2? Mar 04 03:35:40 http://www.mobile-review.com/articles/2005/image/decembernews/omap2430.gif Mar 04 03:36:16 wmv1 looks promising Mar 04 03:36:17 ah Mar 04 03:36:19 belive it or not Mar 04 03:36:40 I'd like something more motion detection oriented Mar 04 03:36:49 6fps Mar 04 03:36:49 ;) Mar 04 03:36:57 heh Mar 04 03:37:04 at 352x288 Mar 04 03:37:22 so it will be ~24fps at lower Mar 04 03:37:29 not bad, huh? :) Mar 04 03:38:11 nice...I should play with motion and cron :) Mar 04 03:41:19 hmm Mar 04 03:41:24 ffvhuff is not bad Mar 04 03:41:27 ;) Mar 04 03:41:48 if you can accept 10mbit stream ;) Mar 04 03:44:31 wow Mar 04 03:44:35 asv1 does 10fps Mar 04 03:44:40 at 352x288 Mar 04 03:44:49 nice Mar 04 03:44:58 and no blocks Mar 04 03:44:59 ;) Mar 04 03:45:58 interesting Mar 04 03:46:10 it would be nice to avoid swscaler. Mar 04 03:46:12 hum. Mar 04 03:46:36 maybe poke at outfmt Mar 04 03:46:41 i have tried Mar 04 03:46:43 * rm_you waits impatiently for wireless transfer to finish Mar 04 03:46:53 but can't find what formats are supported Mar 04 03:46:57 errr...you don't have a card reader? Mar 04 03:47:01 other than yuy2 Mar 04 03:47:08 not that reads ext2 <_< Mar 04 03:47:11 outfmt=help Mar 04 03:47:11 * rm_you is on windoze ATM Mar 04 03:47:25 you can have ifs_ext Mar 04 03:47:25 rm_you, ah, sadness :( Mar 04 03:47:29 or something like that Mar 04 03:47:33 yeah Mar 04 03:47:33 don't remember name Mar 04 03:47:35 it's a PITA tho Mar 04 03:47:38 yeah, there's ifs but I don't know how much I trust it Mar 04 03:47:39 rw and complete Mar 04 03:47:46 i've used it before Mar 04 03:47:48 reliable Mar 04 03:47:52 it's acted weird on me before Mar 04 03:47:54 from what i have used Mar 04 03:47:54 it did weird things on mine >_> Mar 04 03:48:25 i just format reiser and use Yasu Mar 04 03:48:30 if i need stuff <_< Mar 04 03:48:31 http://www.fs-driver.org/ Mar 04 03:48:33 not as nice... but Mar 04 03:48:33 this one? Mar 04 03:48:52 yep, thats it Mar 04 03:50:10 johnx: is this initflasher safe with 52-3? Mar 04 03:50:21 51-3? Mar 04 03:50:22 there is 52-3 ? Mar 04 03:50:24 err Mar 04 03:50:28 the latest Mar 04 03:50:37 52-3 would be 0-4 I think :D Mar 04 03:50:48 yes, as far as I know Mar 04 03:50:55 51-3 Mar 04 03:51:11 the only thing that's different is nolo, so I would say yes, it's safe Mar 04 03:51:33 tv:// -tv driver=v4l2:width=176:height=144:device=/dev/video0 -ofps 14 \ Mar 04 03:51:33 -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=asv1 \ Mar 04 03:51:38 this one looks nice Mar 04 03:51:42 i mean works fast Mar 04 03:52:01 ~50% cpu Mar 04 03:52:11 that's awesome Mar 04 03:54:15 yay init flashed successfully Mar 04 03:54:21 now untarring debian... Mar 04 03:54:34 fun Mar 04 03:54:46 I should put debian back on mine...I wish I had more sd cards :| Mar 04 03:54:53 :( Mar 04 03:55:02 i have an extra 4G sitting here now >_> Mar 04 03:56:41 maybe I'll try and boot from usb stick Mar 04 03:56:47 that would be nice Mar 04 03:56:59 heh...or a whole USB drive Mar 04 03:57:13 that should give me 500GB to play with Mar 04 03:58:30 nice thing is that n800 can double as a spycam Mar 04 03:58:45 lcd can be turned of while grabbing Mar 04 03:58:47 >>_> Mar 04 03:58:53 and data streamed via wireless Mar 04 03:58:54 (: Mar 04 03:59:27 or run a cylon looking animation in loop on the screen :D Mar 04 03:59:36 that would be cool Mar 04 03:59:36 little red-dot eye moving back and forth Mar 04 03:59:42 but will require hardware mods Mar 04 03:59:44 ;) Mar 04 04:00:05 hrmrm Mar 04 04:00:05 well Mar 04 04:00:07 THOUGHT i was going to be untarring debian Mar 04 04:00:15 but can't seem to mount the ext partition Mar 04 04:00:26 and insmod on the ext2 module fails Mar 04 04:00:26 dmesg? Mar 04 04:00:28 :) Mar 04 04:00:33 did you modprobe ext2 and jbd and mcache Mar 04 04:00:36 ? Mar 04 04:00:53 dmesg says "setting voltage 'VMMC' to 3000 mV Mar 04 04:00:57 thats it Mar 04 04:01:15 insmod mcache Mar 04 04:01:27 modprobe: cannot parse modules.dep Mar 04 04:01:30 <_< Mar 04 04:01:31 insmod Mar 04 04:01:33 ln -s Mar 04 04:01:35 modprobe is broken Mar 04 04:01:39 not broken Mar 04 04:01:47 only modules in initfs Mar 04 04:02:11 ln -s /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1 /lib/modules/ Mar 04 04:02:12 insmod: cannot insert '/mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/ext2.ko': Unknown symbol in module (-1): No such file or directory Mar 04 04:02:22 rm_you, are you listening to me? Mar 04 04:02:26 do my ln then just run modprobe Mar 04 04:02:35 yeah, got it Mar 04 04:02:40 mbcache Mar 04 04:02:51 and remember to update the FAQ :) Mar 04 04:10:21 i wonder how long this bunzip is going to take >_> Mar 04 04:10:36 it's been like 5 minutes >_> Mar 04 04:10:51 on the tablet?! Mar 04 04:10:54 a long time Mar 04 04:10:58 lol Mar 04 04:11:00 yes Mar 04 04:11:17 winrar can extract stuff, but not just bunzip the tar >_> Mar 04 04:11:22 and i need permissions stuff Mar 04 04:11:31 yes. Mar 04 04:11:37 soooo.... stuck with completely untarring/bunzipping on the tablet >_> Mar 04 04:11:46 btw. you're using tar -j, yes? Mar 04 04:11:48 ;) Mar 04 04:12:10 i figured i would bunzip it completely first Mar 04 04:12:18 bah. Mar 04 04:12:19 was possibly a mistake? >_> Mar 04 04:12:31 For convenience, busybox's tar doesn't support -j Mar 04 04:12:38 yeah, that too Mar 04 04:12:41 tar can ungz/unbz2 on the fly Mar 04 04:12:53 then compile/install one that can. doh. Mar 04 04:13:05 yeah, but the faq said something to the effect of what derf just said :P Mar 04 04:13:08 so i played it safe Mar 04 04:13:18 I wish they'd just give up on busybox and install a real system. Mar 04 04:13:27 derf, busybox is ok Mar 04 04:13:33 I hate it. Mar 04 04:13:38 i want bash, but for some reason i can't just install bash... i have to REPLACE busybox Mar 04 04:13:41 you can force install Mar 04 04:13:47 which isn't what i want to do >_> i just want bash also <_< Mar 04 04:14:01 I was able to install bash without replacing busybox. Mar 04 04:14:01 rm_you, ever heard about cp ? Mar 04 04:14:02 :) Mar 04 04:14:06 yeah, thought about it Mar 04 04:14:14 i could install YMHash Mar 04 04:14:41 ^^^^ the shell I wrote last semester in OS :P Mar 04 04:14:44 Just make sure you install the bash package that is "compatible with busybox's /bin/sh". Mar 04 04:14:58 Otherwise you get yourself a wsod reboot loop. Mar 04 04:15:01 nah. Mar 04 04:15:09 simply leave sh as it is Mar 04 04:15:19 and only use bash for you def. shell Mar 04 04:15:28 KotCzarny: That is, in fact, the problem. Mar 04 04:15:31 and make scripts use #!/bin/bash Mar 04 04:15:32 Changing your default shell. Mar 04 04:15:43 is it? Mar 04 04:15:45 Yes. Mar 04 04:15:58 I bricked my device 3 times before I figured out that was what was doing it. Mar 04 04:16:08 hum Mar 04 04:16:26 the term "bricked" sure has changed since the old zaurus days >_> Mar 04 04:16:27 how about adding user toor ? Mar 04 04:16:35 and giving it /bin/bash ? Mar 04 04:16:38 bricked back then meant buying a new zaurus or else a JTAG cable <_< Mar 04 04:16:56 Well, that's great, except that Hildon is not really built for multi-user support. Mar 04 04:17:09 :) Mar 04 04:17:22 xterm, for example, will always start as "user". Mar 04 04:17:34 it's all hackable i think Mar 04 04:17:47 And yes, I tried changing the command it launches on startup... which gave the first tab bash, and all the rest defaulted back to /bin/sh. Mar 04 04:18:21 install aterm? Mar 04 04:18:24 Anyway... as I said. Someone is shipping a "busybox-sh compatible bash" package. That's the one you want. Mar 04 04:18:32 It'll let you change your default shell. Mar 04 04:18:52 there is some real braindead things in parts of maemo/hildon Mar 04 04:19:11 assuming HOME=/home/user, and DISPLAY=:0 is just for starters... Mar 04 04:19:33 The joys of software done on a budget and a tight schedule. Mar 04 04:20:18 yeah, that must fit into 128MB of flash Mar 04 04:20:20 johnx: what WM is this using? Mar 04 04:20:25 debian? Mar 04 04:20:28 yes Mar 04 04:20:31 matchbox w/ hildon-desktop Mar 04 04:20:36 just like ITOS Mar 04 04:20:36 haven't booted it yet Mar 04 04:20:37 ah Mar 04 04:20:41 :P Mar 04 04:20:49 runs leafpad without modification Mar 04 04:21:07 how are themes created? Mar 04 04:21:19 ac7ss, with theme maker :) Mar 04 04:21:31 I should work on packaging some other maemo/hildon stuff, but a lot of it wants/needs/expects to have access to Nokia proprietary stuff Mar 04 04:21:43 now is that under Maemo or in linux? Mar 04 04:21:53 linux/windows/mac Mar 04 04:21:54 it's java Mar 04 04:22:02 o.o Mar 04 04:22:16 you could do it by hand I guess...I think theme maker is just the packaging part and you edit the template to change the theme Mar 04 04:22:28 where can I find it. I want a thin theme. (like Fvwm or something.) Mar 04 04:23:14 that looks like fvwm you mean? Mar 04 04:23:20 just google maemo thememaker Mar 04 04:23:21 I like a theme that increases the real-estate. PADD is fun, but big. Mar 04 04:23:23 that should work Mar 04 04:23:28 errr... what key do you hold to select a different boot? Mar 04 04:23:29 looks like fvwm. Mar 04 04:23:40 just wait for the menu Mar 04 04:23:54 it says "a menu key" but i've tried all of the ones on the left and it always just says "booting from flash..." Mar 04 04:24:12 err...that's Nokia's thing...fanoush's thing should come up afterwards Mar 04 04:24:20 without pressing anything Mar 04 04:24:29 did you edit bootmenu.conf? Mar 04 04:24:31 no Mar 04 04:24:35 but there we go Mar 04 04:24:45 it is the middle thing, above home below back Mar 04 04:24:55 and the timing is a little twitchy Mar 04 04:25:41 hrm Mar 04 04:25:48 failure :( Mar 04 04:25:57 yeah, I think you need to edit bootmenu.conf Mar 04 04:26:07 you never setup boot from sd before? Mar 04 04:26:12 nope Mar 04 04:26:15 i just followed the guide Mar 04 04:26:30 in the boot menu i can select "MMC card, partition 2, ext2" Mar 04 04:26:47 and then it says "booting from mmc2..." but then it whitescreens and reboots Mar 04 04:26:55 you just gave it the whole card, right? Mar 04 04:27:08 actually no :( Mar 04 04:27:12 second partition Mar 04 04:27:21 ah, ok Mar 04 04:27:34 i left about 500mb fat on there so i could still have swap on internal sd Mar 04 04:27:40 and store random crap Mar 04 04:28:13 your guide doesnt have anything about bootmenu.conf editing being necessary <_< Mar 04 04:28:34 AH! Mar 04 04:28:38 second try worked Mar 04 04:28:45 weird :P but yay Mar 04 04:28:53 like the background Mar 04 04:29:01 :D Mar 04 04:30:18 lol you set the hostname as May Mar 04 04:30:57 gah Mar 04 04:31:03 meh...I uploaded that really late Mar 04 04:31:09 BTW, check your MAC address Mar 04 04:31:14 still haven't figured that one out Mar 04 04:31:49 >_> Mar 04 04:32:14 step1: get SOME hardware keyboard working Mar 04 04:32:25 just ssh :P Mar 04 04:32:30 * rm_you skitters off to try getting BT keyboard to work Mar 04 04:32:40 anyways, I think blueman is installed and works Mar 04 04:33:02 will netusb work with windoze? >_> Mar 04 04:33:09 * rm_you doubts it Mar 04 04:33:26 it should Mar 04 04:33:34 how? >_> Mar 04 04:33:39 look for the "Nokia 770 inf driver" for windows Mar 04 04:33:42 hrm Mar 04 04:56:35 this powered/battery removal potential flakiness, is it still the same in the gta02? Mar 04 05:23:39 johnx: this is very... awkward :( Mar 04 05:23:50 hmm? Mar 04 05:26:30 what's awkward? Mar 04 05:27:11 rm_you, ??? Mar 04 05:27:17 eh Mar 04 05:27:20 the current setup Mar 04 05:27:26 particularly the vkeyboard, lol Mar 04 05:27:35 yeah, improvements wanted :) Mar 04 05:27:41 and somehow it rebooted when i tried to scroll the terminal, lol Mar 04 05:27:52 hmm...never seen/heard of that Mar 04 05:28:08 but AFAIK, the actually hildon keyboards are closed source Mar 04 05:28:19 yeah :( Mar 04 05:29:07 xfce works nicely though if you want to try that Mar 04 05:29:17 was gonna ask about that Mar 04 05:29:30 when i asked "what WM does this use" i expected you to tell me xfcew Mar 04 05:29:33 *xfce Mar 04 05:30:45 well my goal was being source compatible with ITOS and just needing to tweak package dependencies... Mar 04 05:33:12 http://intr.overt.org/blog/?p=49 Mar 04 05:33:14 o.o Mar 04 05:33:41 ... Mar 04 05:33:44 thats the card i have Mar 04 05:33:53 wait... Mar 04 05:33:57 probably already included in kernel Mar 04 05:34:01 not MMCplus Mar 04 05:34:05 patches are from march Mar 04 05:34:17 (2007) Mar 04 05:35:15 ... Mar 04 05:35:19 so why did you link that? Mar 04 05:35:31 because it's only a thought Mar 04 05:35:38 haven't checked kernel source yet Mar 04 05:35:50 a thought about what? Mar 04 05:36:06 that it's not yet included Mar 04 05:36:23 I'd bet dollars to donuts it's already included or in fanoush's kernel Mar 04 05:37:00 the kernel from maemo.org has fanoush's patches? Mar 04 05:37:11 does it say it does? Mar 04 05:37:21 where? Mar 04 05:37:37 i was asking you Mar 04 05:37:42 no Mar 04 05:37:45 they are not included Mar 04 05:38:20 I don't even know what kernel you're talking about... Mar 04 05:38:41 the one you get via apt-get source kernel Mar 04 05:39:12 i'm still VERY confused Mar 04 05:39:14 ah the Nokia kernel...nope. fanoush's debug and high speed sd and some other patches are still not included Mar 04 05:39:33 what thought did linking that pertain to? were you/we talking about something that brought that on? lol Mar 04 05:39:50 it's just that, i *thought* i had been keeping track of all the current threads going on in #maemo :P Mar 04 05:40:05 nope...he throws in lots of non-sequiters...keeps me on my toes...heh Mar 04 05:40:13 :) Mar 04 05:40:28 who? me? Mar 04 05:40:37 yeah you :P Mar 04 05:40:45 good. Mar 04 05:40:46 ;) Mar 04 05:41:10 hmm Mar 04 05:41:35 should i flash fanoush initfs ? Mar 04 05:41:50 it only lists 2.2007.50-2 as the latest Mar 04 05:42:05 50-2 and 51-3 are the same kernel, just a different nolo Mar 04 05:42:10 i asked that about two hours ago, but i just did it, and it appeared to work Mar 04 05:42:35 how can i flash original initfs ? Mar 04 05:42:38 just in case? Mar 04 05:42:46 dunno? but it worked find Mar 04 05:42:47 *fine Mar 04 05:42:52 prolly just reflash your image Mar 04 05:42:56 with nokia flasher Mar 04 05:43:05 you can just tell it to flash just the initfs Mar 04 05:43:18 that thing has like a million options... Mar 04 06:08:01 uff. booted. Mar 04 06:08:02 :) Mar 04 06:08:18 [ 60.140625] JFFS2 notice: (628) check_node_data: wrong data CRC in data node at 0x0c1d34ac: read 0xc60c18d4, calculated 0x3fe6e244. Mar 04 06:08:20 o.o Mar 04 06:08:50 well that doesn't sound too awesome Mar 04 06:09:22 at least it booted Mar 04 06:10:07 jffs2 emits some really scary messages that aren't errors per se Mar 04 06:24:26 KotCzarny: [ 60.140625] JFFS2 notice: (628) check_node_data: wrong data CRC in data node at 0x0c1d34ac: read 0xc60c18d4, calculated 0x3fe6e244. Mar 04 06:24:46 did you reboot? or has it crashed? Mar 04 06:24:59 i have rebooted after flashing new initfs Mar 04 06:25:31 that means that a write was interrupted Mar 04 06:25:39 humm Mar 04 06:25:48 and it's likely to be harmless Mar 04 06:25:51 did you issue "reboot" from the command line? Mar 04 06:26:01 johnx: yes, flashing script did that Mar 04 06:26:24 hmm...I wonder if reboot acts differently than shutdown -r now on ITOS Mar 04 06:26:32 could be Mar 04 06:26:37 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/32295#32295 Mar 04 06:26:40 anyone tried that? Mar 04 06:30:07 I haven't, but I imagine that someone has Mar 04 06:31:01 i'm willing to try Mar 04 06:31:18 so who uses irssi and wants tot ell me how to msg someone on one network when you are in another Mar 04 06:31:23 anyone knows what osso-patch level is used in os2008 ? Mar 04 06:33:15 for kernel Mar 04 06:33:36 not off the top of my head Mar 04 06:33:49 how can i check? Mar 04 06:34:19 check the source version maybe? Mar 04 06:34:28 on the running kernel? Mar 04 06:34:33 dunno Mar 04 06:34:39 uname -a doesn't help Mar 04 06:35:00 maybe if you explode the FIASCO image? maybe something in there mentions the full kernel version? Mar 04 06:36:13 2.6.18 was used with OS2007 so 2.6.21 must be for OS2008 Mar 04 06:36:29 and this is from after 50-2 was released Mar 04 06:36:36 it's *probably* for 50-2 Mar 04 06:36:56 2.6.21-omap1 Mar 04 06:37:04 but no -osso patch level Mar 04 06:37:11 yeah Mar 04 06:37:20 I would assume it works Mar 04 06:39:45 oh, well, i'll hack it myself Mar 04 06:45:43 hmm Mar 04 06:45:52 locking to 400/133 would make sense Mar 04 06:46:09 when cpu is set to 330/220 gpu clock is lowered Mar 04 06:46:19 from 66 to 55 Mar 04 06:46:59 same for usb Mar 04 06:50:21 so, it's vulnerable to vmsplice ;-) Mar 04 06:50:33 yes Mar 04 06:50:34 :) Mar 04 06:50:48 we need 2.6.24.2 in there :-) Mar 04 06:50:55 or just a patch Mar 04 06:50:56 :) Mar 04 06:51:09 and a better gps firmware... Mar 04 06:51:10 that would have higher chance of happening ;) Mar 04 06:51:17 bt gps Mar 04 06:51:25 that's why n810 is inferior to n800 Mar 04 06:51:26 :) Mar 04 06:52:37 KotCzarny, can probably be software fixed, as in storing the almanach within the device when stopping the gps Mar 04 06:52:51 :) Mar 04 06:53:09 never used gps anyway Mar 04 06:53:18 but maemo-mapper is great Mar 04 06:53:19 :> Mar 04 06:53:24 then when you start the bloody fake-gps again, feed the almanach to the chip again Mar 04 06:53:42 yeah, the gps is pretty crappy though. Mar 04 06:53:45 i wonder if I/O scheduler would help anything Mar 04 06:53:55 right now it's no-op Mar 04 06:54:20 * sxpert hopes nokia comes to their senses and junk that ti chip and put a proper sirfstar3 in there Mar 04 06:54:28 money Mar 04 06:54:29 money Mar 04 06:54:30 money Mar 04 06:54:30 :) Mar 04 06:54:39 I call bullshit on that one Mar 04 06:54:47 considering the thing is 500 eur already Mar 04 06:54:59 * KotCzarny got n800 for 150$ Mar 04 06:55:00 ;) Mar 04 06:55:08 yeah yeah Mar 04 06:55:28 400$ would make a great accessories Mar 04 06:55:29 ;) Mar 04 06:56:02 so, 100 eur for that n800 ? Mar 04 06:56:05 that was cheap Mar 04 06:56:08 yup. Mar 04 06:56:20 the usd ain't worth crap these das Mar 04 06:56:22 days Mar 04 06:56:26 there are many of them for ~200$ Mar 04 06:56:41 ebay I suppose Mar 04 06:56:46 the only problem would be getting them without paying vat Mar 04 06:56:47 ;) Mar 04 06:56:54 nope, craigslist Mar 04 06:56:59 whatever :-) Mar 04 06:57:17 as for vat, it's only a matter of proper packaging Mar 04 06:57:20 ebay is *blargh* Mar 04 06:57:58 just have to write the proper things on the customs form Mar 04 06:58:16 "one forgotten N800 on the return path to it's rightful owner" Mar 04 06:58:38 voila, no vat Mar 04 06:58:40 n800 sounds expensive. let's put 800E on it Mar 04 06:58:40 ;) Mar 04 06:58:51 wouldn't work like this here. Mar 04 06:58:58 ain't .ru or .pl Mar 04 06:59:03 ;) Mar 04 06:59:13 be? Mar 04 06:59:14 ;) Mar 04 06:59:16 fr Mar 04 06:59:29 i see you on gstreamer Mar 04 06:59:33 yeah Mar 04 06:59:42 have you hacked it, maybe? Mar 04 06:59:51 well sort of Mar 04 06:59:59 been hacking with it on and off Mar 04 07:00:03 hum Mar 04 07:00:26 gotta run to the shower Mar 04 07:00:32 go go Mar 04 07:16:56 http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/03/04/0241218 Mar 04 07:17:04 haha... that's soo erh... funny Mar 04 07:17:52 :> Mar 04 07:18:16 * johnx had to screw around with patching servers the last time they monkeyed around with DST Mar 04 07:18:44 apparently, the logical thing to do would be to do away with this crap entirely Mar 04 07:19:03 mmm slashdot Mar 04 07:19:25 umkay Mar 04 07:19:26 I do not recall the last time they liked something scientifically worth reading xD Mar 04 07:19:29 gonna flasz the kernel Mar 04 07:19:33 wish me luck Mar 04 07:19:35 *flash Mar 04 07:20:12 Kernel flashed, reboot to make it active. Mar 04 07:20:15 that was fast Mar 04 07:20:36 :) Mar 04 07:20:49 did you roll your own? Mar 04 07:20:52 yes Mar 04 07:20:56 there, bricked :-) Mar 04 07:21:02 lol Mar 04 07:21:05 we will see in a few moments Mar 04 07:21:17 what did you do to it? Mar 04 07:21:28 fanoush script Mar 04 07:21:31 "oh shit, I flashed the kernel over the boot loader" Mar 04 07:21:52 the clockspeed one? Mar 04 07:21:57 nope Mar 04 07:22:38 he removed the kernel Mar 04 07:22:48 so i hacked it myself Mar 04 07:22:49 :) Mar 04 07:23:00 yes. rebooted. Mar 04 07:23:05 let's do some tests Mar 04 07:23:05 :> Mar 04 07:23:12 *KP* Mar 04 07:23:23 kp? Mar 04 07:23:29 kernel panic :-) Mar 04 07:23:35 not yet Mar 04 07:23:37 :) Mar 04 07:24:26 well I managed a custom kernel with video problems, let's see if you can at least manage some sound problems :D Mar 04 07:24:35 :> Mar 04 07:24:45 he'll have some wifi problems, no doubt Mar 04 07:25:07 http://allegro.pl/item315157172_152_wzmacniacz_antenowy_gold_edit_gsm.html Mar 04 07:25:13 signal booster Mar 04 07:25:14 o.o Mar 04 07:25:16 doh. Mar 04 07:25:17 ;) Mar 04 07:25:26 bullshit Mar 04 07:25:35 ;)) Mar 04 07:25:40 i know it, you know it Mar 04 07:25:46 people still buy it Mar 04 07:25:47 (; Mar 04 07:25:58 people are so gullible... Mar 04 07:26:05 ;) Mar 04 07:28:54 Q: How do you shoot a blue elephant? Mar 04 07:28:54 A: With a blue-elephant gun. Mar 04 07:28:54 Q: How do you shoot a pink elephant? Mar 04 07:28:54 A: Twist its trunk until it turns blue, then shoot it with Mar 04 07:28:54 a blue-elephant gun. Mar 04 07:28:55 ;) Mar 04 07:30:04 in soviet russa the blue elephant shoots you Mar 04 07:30:17 there are elehpants? Mar 04 07:30:26 strange thing happening in that 'russa' place Mar 04 07:30:30 :P Mar 04 07:32:32 ya ya Mar 04 07:33:13 da da Mar 04 07:47:52 weird Mar 04 07:48:03 it's now capped at 330/220 Mar 04 07:48:06 Is there any way to install aptitude on the N810? I thought it was standard on Debian based systems, but I guess I was mistaken. Is their a repository somewhere for Chinook? Mar 04 07:48:11 even without tasks Mar 04 07:48:48 ah, you broke it :P Mar 04 07:48:50 xD Mar 04 07:48:52 nope Mar 04 07:48:54 it works Mar 04 07:48:58 :) Mar 04 07:49:23 but reverse than expected Mar 04 07:50:11 let's hack some more Mar 04 07:50:12 :) Mar 04 07:51:29 MegaTrousers, there was an incomplete port of synaptic in 2006, but I haven't seen anything recently Mar 04 07:52:07 the Application manager's red pill mode might do whatever it is you want to do Mar 04 07:52:11 otherwise, apt-get will Mar 04 07:52:15 Ah ok. I can't seem to get gpg to work either. Every time I try to search for a key, whether I explicitly specify a key server or not, I get gpg: no remote program execution supported Mar 04 07:52:25 How do I enable red pill? Mar 04 07:52:52 http://hildon-app-mgr.garage.maemo.org/redpill.html Mar 04 07:53:38 You try to make contact with the leader of an underground hacker group Mar 04 07:53:55 Thanks. What I find weird is that none of the repos that come preinstalled have their gpg keys preinstalled as well. Mar 04 07:53:58 eventually someone will show up at your office with a phone Mar 04 07:54:30 answer the phone and chicken out when asked to walk around the ledge on the 33rd floor Mar 04 07:54:33 MegaTrousers, security on ITOS is kind of nonexistent :( Mar 04 07:54:49 Yes, it is pretty scary considering I'd like to travel with this thing. Mar 04 07:54:51 from there just fgo with the flow and it will be fine Mar 04 07:55:17 what version of flash exactly in os2008 ? Mar 04 07:55:24 9 Mar 04 07:55:28 ;) Mar 04 07:55:56 there's something wierd with meetic.com then :-( Mar 04 07:56:09 'cuz it says "your flash is too old" Mar 04 07:56:21 it's a 9.0ish, not 9.4ish Mar 04 07:56:25 ah Mar 04 07:56:28 if you want h323 it isn't there Mar 04 07:56:38 and no one could officially tell you if or when such a thing would happen Mar 04 07:56:43 I don't think it uses that Mar 04 07:56:46 one could speculate that it's obviously important Mar 04 07:56:55 but... Mar 04 07:57:06 it's mostly a chat blah app that can do without Mar 04 07:57:45 I'll contact their support to see if they have any clue Mar 04 07:57:48 leif__: Thanks for your help. Mar 04 07:57:58 np Mar 04 07:58:57 mmmm Mar 04 07:58:59 works Mar 04 07:59:02 let's test some more Mar 04 07:59:51 mmmmmmkay Mar 04 08:00:14 full screen vid, dspmp3task and 400/133 :> Mar 04 08:06:10 mpe decoding could work @ 85Mhz as well Mar 04 08:06:35 it sets 400/133 when using mp3tast Mar 04 08:06:36 task Mar 04 08:06:49 but anyway, it's doable Mar 04 08:06:52 and no skipping Mar 04 08:07:10 now mplayer need to use it.. Mar 04 08:46:59 I uninstalled adblock plus Mar 04 08:47:07 * KotCzarny hacks mplayer Mar 04 08:47:09 but it did not uninstall Mar 04 08:47:12 >.> Mar 04 08:47:15 liar Mar 04 08:47:24 seriously Mar 04 08:47:33 not you, the package management system Mar 04 08:47:34 :P Mar 04 08:47:40 oh Mar 04 08:47:41 :P Mar 04 08:57:21 Streaming youtube through mplayer is sexy Mar 04 08:57:34 sure, it works Mar 04 08:57:57 and, imo, utterly pointless Mar 04 08:58:04 pointless how? Mar 04 08:58:13 as pointless as youtube is Mar 04 08:58:18 :P Mar 04 09:02:05 life is pointless Mar 04 09:02:10 everything is Mar 04 09:02:18 ask Marvin Mar 04 09:02:20 pointers aren't Mar 04 09:02:30 unless they dangle Mar 04 09:02:37 and believe me.. they do! Mar 04 09:02:41 then they are danglers Mar 04 09:03:06 I do not like the mental pictures that the verb 'dangle' evokes in my mind Mar 04 09:03:10 not a bit... Mar 04 09:03:21 :> Mar 04 09:04:15 dangle bells, dangle bells Mar 04 09:11:24 ssvb :) Mar 04 09:12:38 KotCzarny: hi, did I miss anything? :) Mar 04 09:12:47 yes, i needed you :) Mar 04 09:12:58 Bon dia / good morning Mar 04 09:13:12 i stuck cpu to 400/133 and now i'm trying get mplayer working Mar 04 09:13:19 with mp3sink Mar 04 09:13:26 can you help me? Mar 04 09:13:26 :) Mar 04 09:16:07 KotCzarny: removing checks which prevent using dspmp3sink should be quite simple Mar 04 09:16:18 yes, but it fails to init Mar 04 09:18:33 can you join #kotc ? Mar 04 09:18:53 KotCzarny: have you removed checks both in 'ao_gst.c' and 'ad_dspmp3.c'? anyway grep for 'maemo_os_version_string' to find all version dependent checks Mar 04 09:19:10 ah. Mar 04 09:23:39 mmmm Mar 04 09:26:10 mmmm.. smoothie Mar 04 09:26:21 crispie... Mar 04 09:26:27 * KotCzarny drools all over Mar 04 09:32:09 ssvb: i don't know why are you disabled it.. Mar 04 09:32:13 seems to work.. Mar 04 09:33:52 KotCzarny: try to seek in video and watch for lipsync issues, everything is described here: https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1273&group_id=54&atid=269 Mar 04 09:34:19 but without seeking? Mar 04 09:35:26 KotCzarny: it should work fine without seeking :) but we need a reliable and enduser friendly application Mar 04 09:35:39 bah. Mar 04 09:35:40 ;) Mar 04 09:36:21 BENCHMARKn: disp: 208 (22.42 fps) drop: 5 (2%) total: 213 (22.96 fps) Mar 04 09:36:25 that's WITH sound Mar 04 09:36:34 on 720 x 448 @ 24fps vid Mar 04 09:36:52 what codec? Mar 04 09:36:59 xvid Mar 04 09:37:06 VIDEO: [XVID] 720x448 12bpp 23.976 fps 571.9 kbps (69.8 kbyte/s) Mar 04 09:37:41 KotCzarny: I understand that, but the requirement to have a custom kernel and crippled seeking make it not very attractive for most of users in my opinion :) Mar 04 09:38:08 um, i guess there will be the audience even then Mar 04 09:38:08 ;) Mar 04 09:38:24 mind you that the same vid manages only 15fps Mar 04 09:38:27 with esd Mar 04 09:38:27 ;) Mar 04 09:38:48 pretty worth it, isn't it? Mar 04 09:38:49 ;) Mar 04 09:39:23 also the only kernel customization is a simple commenting out unwanted cpu mode Mar 04 09:39:26 :) Mar 04 09:39:44 it can be done /proc or sys controllable :) Mar 04 09:39:47 KotCzarny: that's a corner case, framerate drops suddenly and very fast when reaching hardware limitation Mar 04 09:40:10 ssvb, 15fps vs 22fps Mar 04 09:40:24 which one you would want to watch? Mar 04 09:41:18 KotCzarny: you can't compare fps directly, increasing bitrate only a bit will make it unwatchable even with dspmp3sink Mar 04 09:41:42 yes Mar 04 09:41:43 but still Mar 04 09:41:46 KotCzarny: so I prefer transcoding so that there is some extra processing power left just in case Mar 04 09:42:03 it makes many vids watchable when earilel they were not Mar 04 09:42:04 KotCzarny: or encode video with B-frames Mar 04 09:42:09 earlier Mar 04 09:42:42 and i guess it will help with transcoded vids too Mar 04 09:43:04 morning Mar 04 09:43:46 KotCzarny: there are still lots of things to optimize: IDCT, motion compensation (qpel and gmc are not optimized at all), and I see a good potential in lowres decoding Mar 04 09:44:08 yes, lowres decoding is available even now Mar 04 09:44:18 it's fixed in .25 Mar 04 09:44:30 using lowres decoding will make almost any random DIVX/XVID video watchable on the device Mar 04 09:44:36 but man, watching at full res Mar 04 09:44:46 KotCzarny: it is fixed, but not optimized yet Mar 04 09:44:49 see it once Mar 04 09:45:03 you won't be looking again at lowres :> Mar 04 09:46:07 also a lot of people want h264 and AAC now Mar 04 09:46:22 aactask is available Mar 04 09:46:23 :> Mar 04 09:46:33 I want to watch lord of the rings on n810 Mar 04 09:46:35 btw, passthrough decoder for AAC will be more difficult than MP3 Mar 04 09:46:44 1920x900 one Mar 04 09:46:58 ssvb: why? Mar 04 09:47:15 KotCzarny: try it ;) Mar 04 09:47:49 KotCzarny: I explained it somewhere on ITT, may try to look for a link Mar 04 09:47:56 :) Mar 04 09:48:09 VIDEO: [XVID] 1920x800 12bpp 23.976 fps 4946.9 kbps (603.9 kbyte/s) Mar 04 09:48:11 AUDIO: 48000 Hz, 2 ch, s16le, 448.0 kbit/29.17% (ratio: 56000->192000) Mar 04 09:48:29 hrw: lord of the rings sucks Mar 04 09:48:36 film and book too Mar 04 09:48:37 :) Mar 04 09:49:34 thats your opinion Mar 04 09:49:43 not only mine Mar 04 09:49:48 KotCzarny: stay with Jan Brzechwa then Mar 04 09:50:04 if you want Mar 04 09:50:06 :) Mar 04 09:50:15 i would stay where i like Mar 04 10:22:31 rebbot loop\ Mar 04 10:22:35 yay Mar 04 10:22:41 :) Mar 04 10:22:47 rebbbit Mar 04 10:23:17 :/ Mar 04 10:23:22 not again Mar 04 10:23:25 I did nothing Mar 04 10:23:27 is it possible to switch n810 hw keyboard layout without using controlpanel? Mar 04 10:23:49 tama: overload? Mar 04 10:24:23 installed telepathy Mar 04 10:24:36 Build/Strategic/Queen_Command.c:377: internal compiler error: in extract_insn, at recog.c:2083 Mar 04 10:24:39 o.O Mar 04 10:25:02 queen is evil! Mar 04 10:25:07 (ja2) Mar 04 10:25:08 :) Mar 04 10:39:38 re flashed.... what a pita Mar 04 10:40:00 :> Mar 04 10:40:31 hey alextreme Mar 04 10:42:43 :) Mar 04 10:47:43 yay, scp rocks Mar 04 10:47:55 always nice when standard tools just work(tm) on a handheld Mar 04 10:48:48 aquatix: sshfs is even better Mar 04 10:48:49 :) Mar 04 10:52:48 KotCzarny: but require fuse modules which are not present on tablets Mar 04 10:52:54 not true Mar 04 10:53:52 -rw-rw-r-- 1 1003 102 47460 Mar 2 13:20 /lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/kernel/fs/fuse/fuse.ko Mar 04 10:58:35 not on my n810 Mar 04 10:59:04 if you're limited not even open source can help Mar 04 10:59:46 KotCzarny: ;) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Mar 04 10:59:57 2008