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Mar 04 11:00:22 <hrw> but that reminded me that I had to update n8x0 config
Mar 04 11:00:23 <KotCzarny> just grab sdk and compile it yourself, or google for packages
Mar 04 11:01:01 <KotCzarny> i have seen them in .debs too
Mar 04 11:01:08 <hrw> I urinate on maemo sdk
Mar 04 11:01:14 <KotCzarny> it's your problem
Mar 04 11:01:19 <KotCzarny> works great for me
Mar 04 11:01:35 <jku> hrw, if I remember  correctly, you haven't even tried it :)
Mar 04 11:01:39 <hrw> I use OpenEmbedded to build maemo stuff
Mar 04 11:01:54 <KotCzarny> whatever floats your boat
Mar 04 11:02:03 <hrw> jku: I had enough scary stories from OH guys about it
Mar 04 11:06:25 <ynezz> I don't want to try SBox, I'm lazy also :)
Mar 04 11:06:54 <KotCzarny> lazy to run 2 scripts?
Mar 04 11:07:09 <ynezz> to build 1500 packages?
Mar 04 11:07:18 <ynezz> in OE itworks fine as 'bitbake maemo-image-ynezz' and build complete feed
Mar 04 11:07:22 <ynezz> shit
Mar 04 11:07:25 <KotCzarny> why should you?
Mar 04 11:07:43 <KotCzarny> it doesn't builds anything
Mar 04 11:07:55 <ynezz> ok
Mar 04 11:07:57 <KotCzarny> *build
Mar 04 11:08:19 <KotCzarny> simply downloads precompiled packages
Mar 04 11:08:30 <KotCzarny> in the same way debian does
Mar 04 11:08:41 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 04 11:08:47 <ynezz> from where?
Mar 04 11:09:31 <KotCzarny> __url=http://repository.maemo.org/stable/chinook
Mar 04 11:10:01 <KotCzarny> and scratchbox from:
Mar 04 11:10:02 <KotCzarny> __download_source_deb=http://scratchbox.org/download/files/sbox-releases/branches/apophis/r4/deb
Mar 04 11:10:17 <sKaBoy> or use install scripts, much easier
Mar 04 11:10:30 <ynezz> I mean packages for device
Mar 04 11:10:36 <KotCzarny> same repo
Mar 04 11:11:05 <jku> KotCzarny, they haven't been tested to work without conflicts on device
Mar 04 11:11:16 <jku> usually do, but still...
Mar 04 11:11:52 <ynezz> maybe you misunderstand me, where is there for example vim package?
Mar 04 11:11:53 <KotCzarny> define 'conflicts'
Mar 04 11:12:07 <KotCzarny> ynezz, deeper in the tree
Mar 04 11:12:50 <ynezz> i'm blind
Mar 04 11:12:57 <jku> KotCzarny, it's not guaranteed that a package in SDK repo does not conflict with a system package on device
Mar 04 11:14:11 <KotCzarny> if you want to play so safe just wait for os2009
Mar 04 11:15:14 <ynezz> KotCzarny: pls, can you give me URL of .deb packages repository I can put on my N810 so I can install Vim?
Mar 04 11:15:33 <KotCzarny> deb http://repository.maemo.org/ chinook free non-free
Mar 04 11:15:33 <KotCzarny> deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/ chinook free
Mar 04 11:15:33 <KotCzarny> deb file:/home/sbox/maemo-sdk-nokia-binaries_4.0.1 chinook explicit
Mar 04 11:15:33 <KotCzarny> deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras chinook free non-free
Mar 04 11:15:44 <ynezz> I've those already
Mar 04 11:15:56 <hrw>         500 http://mg.pov.lt chinook/experimental Packages
Mar 04 11:15:57 <hrw>         500 http://mg.pov.lt chinook/user Packages
Mar 04 11:16:06 <hrw> those two has vim 7.0
Mar 04 11:16:11 <jku> KotCzarny,  I do install stuff from SDK repo if I need something, just wanted to point out that they are not "packages for the device", they just usually work...
Mar 04 11:17:00 <ynezz> thanks
Mar 04 11:17:53 <KotCzarny> jku: what's the difference?
Mar 04 11:18:16 <KotCzarny> software from nokia has more bugs than oss
Mar 04 11:18:29 <KotCzarny> usually because it had less testing
Mar 04 11:18:54 <KotCzarny> so i don't see your point as valid
Mar 04 11:21:11 <jku> Kotzarny, these packages are made for the SDK not for ITOS
Mar 04 11:21:46 <KotCzarny> works for me
Mar 04 11:21:55 <jku> I didn't say they didn't
Mar 04 11:22:17 <KotCzarny> then what's your point?
Mar 04 11:23:30 <jku> point 1: using SDK packages on device is fine. Point 2: advising users to use SDK repositories on device without explaining the situation is wrong
Mar 04 11:24:14 <KotCzarny> if you aim for corporate/commercial use, then yes
Mar 04 11:24:39 <KotCzarny> otherwise one can 1/ don't fiddle, 2/ reflash and start again
Mar 04 11:24:41 <jku>  so conflicting packages is ok by your standards?
Mar 04 11:24:49 <KotCzarny> i'm used to slackware
Mar 04 11:27:05 <hrw> so you are used to lack of packaging or lack of deps
Mar 04 11:27:30 <KotCzarny> never had any problem with it
Mar 04 11:27:48 <jku> then everything must be fine
Mar 04 11:28:01 <KotCzarny> if i get stuck so bad that i can't remember what package has particular file i just grep MANIFEST.gz
Mar 04 11:28:45 <jku> incidentally, I think the repository naming was unfortunate: we have repository.maemo.org and repository.maemo.org/extras
Mar 04 11:29:09 <jku> it sounds like the forst one is an official one and the second is an optional one
Mar 04 11:29:12 <KotCzarny> life, now fix it or get over it
Mar 04 11:29:52 <pupnik> jku, that is correct
Mar 04 11:30:13 <pupnik> third parties can upload packages to extras
Mar 04 11:30:39 <KotCzarny> hi pupnik
Mar 04 11:30:41 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 04 11:30:41 <jku> pupnik, yeah but it's not obvious that the first one is a SDK repository, not meant for devices
Mar 04 11:30:56 <pupnik> oh ok
Mar 04 11:31:19 <KotCzarny> great
Mar 04 11:31:28 <KotCzarny> so sdk is not meant to produce packages for device
Mar 04 11:31:29 <KotCzarny> :>
Mar 04 11:31:42 <jku> yes it is meant exactly for that
Mar 04 11:31:54 <jku> ?
Mar 04 11:32:12 <KotCzarny> if following your logic then it's not
Mar 04 11:32:13 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 04 11:32:24 <KotCzarny> i see it as a kind of emulation
Mar 04 11:32:32 <KotCzarny> to not crosscompile
Mar 04 11:33:08 <KotCzarny> it's like booting vmware/windows and creating execs in it
Mar 04 11:33:57 <jku> sigh. SDK repository is meant to be used in the SDK. You can build packages for the devices in the SDK. Not difficult or contradictory at all.
Mar 04 11:34:15 <KotCzarny> sdk emulates the device.
Mar 04 11:34:21 <KotCzarny> complete with it's x server
Mar 04 11:35:45 <KotCzarny> pupnik: have you seen my results? :>
Mar 04 11:36:25 <pupnik> i saw - very good
Mar 04 11:36:34 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 04 11:37:13 <pupnik> so you used 1) kernel patch for high speed dsp, 2) gst mp3 and 3) special mencoder settings?
Mar 04 11:37:28 <KotCzarny> nope
Mar 04 11:37:46 <pupnik> perhaps you could summarize on a post on ITT or maemo wiki
Mar 04 11:37:47 <KotCzarny> only kernel patch to disable high speed dsp and unlock gst in mplayer
Mar 04 11:38:02 <pupnik> do you have a mplayer binary to share?
Mar 04 11:38:22 <pupnik> oh nm... i don't want to patch my kernel
Mar 04 11:38:24 <KotCzarny> sure, but it's only a 2 points delete
Mar 04 11:38:36 <KotCzarny> pupnik: it's not that bad
Mar 04 11:39:01 <KotCzarny> i simply replaced the profile that would switch kernel to 330/220 with one from 400/130
Mar 04 11:39:12 <KotCzarny> otherwise unchanged
Mar 04 11:39:30 <pupnik> does that require a whole new kernel?
Mar 04 11:39:44 <KotCzarny> whole?
Mar 04 11:40:00 <pupnik> new kernel, or kernel module, or echo xyz > proc/??
Mar 04 11:40:33 <KotCzarny> it can be modularized i guess
Mar 04 11:40:47 <KotCzarny> but it's much more work that way
Mar 04 11:40:48 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 04 11:41:06 <KotCzarny> ie. if you don't want to reflash
Mar 04 11:41:11 <Tama^2> that policy stuff should really be exposed under /sys
Mar 04 11:41:24 <inz> isn't it 'nuff to tell kernel to use performance governor?
Mar 04 11:41:26 <KotCzarny> tama: it is, partially
Mar 04 11:41:31 <KotCzarny> inz: nope
Mar 04 11:41:45 <KotCzarny> because it can switch to 330/220
Mar 04 11:41:53 <KotCzarny> even at highest performance level
Mar 04 11:41:55 <Tama^2> you can read stuff back but cannot set profiles
Mar 04 11:45:32 <Delio> ò.ő
Mar 04 11:54:04 <hrw> argh.
Mar 04 11:54:10 <hrw> ~curse nokia flash scheme
Mar 04 11:54:11 <infobot> May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, nokia flash scheme !
Mar 04 11:55:41 <hrw> crap
Mar 04 11:55:45 <hrw> fscking crap
Mar 04 11:55:46 <Delio> you mean FIASCO image?
Mar 04 11:56:14 <hrw> no - method used for flashing
Mar 04 11:56:20 <KotCzarny> anyway, mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/mpu_h/
Mar 04 11:56:36 <hrw> unplug cables, power off, plug usb, power on, pray that flasher will start
Mar 04 11:56:37 <KotCzarny> if anyone wants to test low dsp speed profile
Mar 04 11:56:49 <KotCzarny> hrw: flash from within the device
Mar 04 11:57:21 <hrw> KotCzarny: how?
Mar 04 11:58:04 <KotCzarny> use http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/#initfs
Mar 04 11:58:23 <Delio> I will try it, kot
Mar 04 11:58:28 <KotCzarny> i have flashed bootloader and kernel today
Mar 04 11:59:19 <KotCzarny> i won't touch the rootfs though because i'm planning to move it to sd card anyway
Mar 04 11:59:34 <KotCzarny> it will be my failsafe then
Mar 04 11:59:36 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 04 12:01:20 <inz> hrw, I've not had any trouble with flashing
Mar 04 12:02:05 <hrw> inz: I lack non-hub usb ports
Mar 04 12:02:18 <hrw> half of mainboard usb ports stopped working already
Mar 04 12:09:09 <hrw> KotCzarny: thx again - it worked
Mar 04 12:09:17 <hrw> Nokia-N810-50-2:~# cat /proc/filesystems |wc
Mar 04 12:09:22 <hrw>        27        50       327
Mar 04 12:09:31 <hrw> ext2/ext3/fuse in kernel now
Mar 04 12:10:04 <inz> hrw, ahh, that might be a problem
Mar 04 12:10:11 <KotCzarny> :>
Mar 04 12:10:25 <KotCzarny> btw. what's the limit for a kernel image? 2mb?
Mar 04 12:11:02 <hrw> 2MB
Mar 04 12:11:09 <hrw> mine has 1.9
Mar 04 12:11:24 <hrw> -rw-r--r-- 1 hrw hrw 1939912 Mar  4 12:13 zImage-2.6.21-osso71-nokia800-20080304110918
Mar 04 12:11:38 <hrw> ext2, ext3, fuse, nfs, cifs added into kernel
Mar 04 12:12:16 <KotCzarny> Machine: Nokia N800
Mar 04 12:12:16 <KotCzarny> Memory policy: ECC disabled, Data cache writeback
Mar 04 12:12:20 <KotCzarny> hum
Mar 04 12:12:46 <KotCzarny> can it be reenabled or it's non-ecc ?
Mar 04 12:12:48 <inz> hrw, maybe you should consider modules?-)
Mar 04 12:12:55 <hrw> inz: what for?
Mar 04 12:13:10 <hrw> inz: there is 2MB for kernel. my kernel still fits there
Mar 04 12:13:26 <inz> hrw, if you need som'n more in the kernel
Mar 04 12:13:45 <KotCzarny> one can always put ppp into modules
Mar 04 12:13:47 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 04 12:20:28 <KotCzarny> ok, bed time, bbl
Mar 04 12:22:25 <hrw> bye KotCzarny
Mar 04 12:25:19 <hrw> mount.cifs is not present in maemo repos too?
Mar 04 12:35:27 <hrw> alix.lan:/srv/nfs/sources     34.3G     14.3G     18.3G  44% /mnt
Mar 04 12:47:46 <pupnik> the freshmaker!
Mar 04 12:57:29 <lcuk> hi ppl, quick question (im at work) i know its possible to boot from my sd card, but can i take a full backup of my current filesystem onto my mem card and restore it if i ever have to re-flash?
Mar 04 12:58:09 <lcuk> ie straight after a flash operation just run my restoreall script and it will unzip everything and replace entire disk - or is this not possible because bits in use and mmc2 is mounted etc
Mar 04 12:58:35 <lcuk> im not on about a partial backup/restore cycle that the backup tool does
Mar 04 13:00:00 * pupnik puts on Alan Parsons, "You can't take it with you"
Mar 04 13:01:56 <lcuk> havin a lazy day pupnik or are you beavering away
Mar 04 13:05:26 <pupnik> trying to figure out problems with xkbd
Mar 04 13:06:06 <pupnik> right now dosbox isn't very usable for n800 owners on OS2008 due to xkbd problems
Mar 04 13:07:38 <pupnik> when yoda said "there is no 'try' - just 'do'" i don't think he was talking about amateur programming
Mar 04 13:11:14 <sp3000> yeah, clearly there's both try and do, not to mention catch and while
Mar 04 13:11:34 <pupnik> :D
Mar 04 13:11:55 <pupnik> excellent
Mar 04 13:14:00 <inz> sp, there's no try in C
Mar 04 13:14:10 <inz> sp, with C you can only do
Mar 04 13:22:20 <sp3000> true
Mar 04 13:22:31 <sp3000> C is the language of the jedi
Mar 04 13:24:21 <lcuk> nahhh, a jedi codes with his mind.  the power of the force moves the bits into rebelion against the evil microsith
Mar 04 13:25:00 <inz> But that works only on computers that have weak minds
Mar 04 13:25:40 <lcuk> r u saying the force is just a hook for some cheesy cult?
Mar 04 13:26:06 <lcuk> cos they only work on weak minds
Mar 04 13:26:33 <inz> The Jedi mind tricks only work on weak minds too
Mar 04 13:27:16 <lcuk> nahhh, i bet it would work on pres. bush.    ohhhhh i see
Mar 04 13:54:27 <SDuensin> Morning.
Mar 04 13:56:56 <lopz> hola
Mar 04 14:20:11 <thux> hi, just bought n800 and flashed os2008 in it, but for some reason basic programs doesn't work, like screen or irssi? irssi tells : NO WINDOWS: -!- Irssi: Invalid charset: CP1252 setupterm() failed for TERM=xterm: 0 Can't initialize screen handling, quitting.
Mar 04 14:21:23 <pupnik> thux: what repo did you get irssi from?
Mar 04 14:21:34 <pupnik> and version?  apt-cache show irssi
Mar 04 14:22:53 <thux> pupnik: form internet tablet forum I check version
Mar 04 14:25:39 <mgedmin> thux: gconv in maemo is compiled without cp1252 support
Mar 04 14:25:46 <mgedmin> there's a bug filed in maemo.org about this
Mar 04 14:26:04 <mgedmin> can you configure irssi to use some other charset
Mar 04 14:26:05 <mgedmin> ?
Mar 04 14:26:12 <mgedmin> perhaps something actually sane, like utf-8?
Mar 04 14:26:31 <thux> mgedmin: I can try if it opens
Mar 04 14:27:17 <thux> pupnik: Version: 0.8.12-1
Mar 04 14:27:25 <mgedmin> I also wonder if you've got ncurses-base installed
Mar 04 14:27:43 <thux> i check
Mar 04 14:28:39 <thux> mgedmin: i didn't have will install it now
Mar 04 14:28:57 <mgedmin> if it fixes irssi, then irssi should depend on it
Mar 04 14:29:08 <thux> wonder why dpkg didn't complain from missing ncurses
Mar 04 14:32:10 <mgedmin> why should it? if irssi doesn't say it depends on it
Mar 04 14:32:22 <mgedmin> ncurses-base has all those terminfo files describing xterm control sequences
Mar 04 14:32:39 <mgedmin> I think it might be an essential package on debian, thus always installed and not mentioned in the dependencies
Mar 04 14:34:07 <thux> ok
Mar 04 14:34:16 <aquatix> hm, no TTLS/PAP on OS2008?
Mar 04 14:34:40 <aquatix> now i can't login on my university's wifi :/
Mar 04 14:35:12 <jumpula> ncurses-base is debian essential
Mar 04 14:35:40 <jumpula> curiously enough, at least n800 didn't have it in the base installation
Mar 04 14:40:31 <thux> thanks irssi started to work
Mar 04 14:40:57 <thux> what about screen, is it permission problem with it?
Mar 04 14:41:40 * aquatix voted for https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1635
Mar 04 14:42:15 <script> aquatix: no, sadly none
Mar 04 14:42:26 <script> aquatix: but here an MSCHAPv2 alternative is working
Mar 04 14:42:42 <jumpula> thux: screen need ncurses-base as well
Mar 04 14:43:00 <jumpula> but the version in the repository has ncurses-base in it's dependencies
Mar 04 14:43:29 <aquatix> script: it wouldn't quite work here with that scheme
Mar 04 14:43:33 * aquatix can try again though
Mar 04 14:44:39 <thux> jumpula: yes thanks it seems to work now too
Mar 04 14:49:31 <aquatix> script: MSCHAPv2 or EAP MSCHAPv2?
Mar 04 14:50:33 <script> aquatix: depends on what your university *might* have implemented ...
Mar 04 15:02:11 <epx> hi, I am looking for a way to force a connection to be closed
Mar 04 15:02:27 <epx> in order to my application to connect to another access point via conic
Mar 04 15:02:51 <epx> I tried d-bus icd disconnect message but it does not suffice (the former connection is not dropped)
Mar 04 15:03:08 <ynezz> what's conic?
Mar 04 15:03:27 <epx> libconic, a high-level connectivity library
Mar 04 15:03:33 <epx> to avoid using dbus messages
Mar 04 15:03:35 <ynezz> ah
Mar 04 15:03:58 <ynezz> ifconfig wlan0 down?
Mar 04 15:04:01 <epx> if I drop connection via UI, then my app can connect to any AP it wants
Mar 04 15:04:30 <epx> I think there must be a more civilized way :)
Mar 04 15:05:33 <GeneralAntilles> jolouis's OTG adaptors work perfectly.
Mar 04 15:06:47 <epx> sorry
Mar 04 15:06:50 <aquatix> ooh, does he make them himself?
Mar 04 15:18:16 <GeneralAntilles> aquatix, I believe he buys the adaptors and grounds the appropriate wire.
Mar 04 15:18:24 <GeneralAntilles> So, yeah.
Mar 04 15:18:59 <aquatix> and he sells them?
Mar 04 15:19:08 * aquatix wants to try making one himself
Mar 04 15:19:14 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah
Mar 04 15:19:57 <ynezz> I'm going to make one with some micro switch, on = OTG, grounded, off = USB
Mar 04 15:20:16 <aquatix> hm
Mar 04 15:20:18 <GeneralAntilles> Not much point.
Mar 04 15:20:32 <aquatix> GeneralAntilles: saves taking another cable with you
Mar 04 15:20:39 <GeneralAntilles> How?
Mar 04 15:21:01 <GeneralAntilles> If you're in client, you need a female-to-male adaptor.
Mar 04 15:21:06 <aquatix> by having a normal usb and an otg one in one
Mar 04 15:21:11 <aquatix> ah, hm
Mar 04 15:21:13 <aquatix> good point
Mar 04 15:21:17 <ynezz> yep
Mar 04 15:21:17 <GeneralAntilles> aquatix, that doesn't make any sense. :P
Mar 04 15:21:33 <aquatix> my thoughts are somewhere else :)
Mar 04 15:21:37 * aquatix gets another coffee
Mar 04 15:22:25 <GeneralAntilles> You'd need a male-a to male-a, which I don't even think they make.
Mar 04 15:22:53 <ynezz> they do
Mar 04 15:23:22 <ynezz> http://www.usbfirewire.com/uconverters.html
Mar 04 15:23:39 <GeneralAntilles> Which doesn't save you a cable.
Mar 04 15:23:48 <GeneralAntilles> and you still need an extender on the other end.
Mar 04 15:23:59 <ynezz> you're right
Mar 04 15:24:04 <GeneralAntilles> Aside from the hack-factor, it's really kinda pointless.
Mar 04 15:24:29 <GeneralAntilles> Better off just carrying a mini-b to female a OTG adaptor and the bundled cable.
Mar 04 15:24:54 <GeneralAntilles> Silverlight coming to the tablets?
Mar 04 15:24:58 <GeneralAntilles> . . . interesting.
Mar 04 15:25:15 <dragorn> GeneralAntilles: mini-a male to standard-a male?
Mar 04 15:25:28 <GeneralAntilles> No, a-male to a-male.
Mar 04 15:25:41 <dragorn> Ah.  They make them, sure, I don't know where to get them offhand
Mar 04 15:25:54 <dragorn> 2.5" USB hard drive kits often come with them
Mar 04 15:25:57 <aquatix> Gender Changer - A Female to Mini-B Male <- will that one fit in the n810?
Mar 04 15:26:02 <dragorn> that's where mine came from
Mar 04 15:26:09 <dragorn> aquatix: no
Mar 04 15:26:18 <dragorn> aquatix: the n810 isn't mini-usb, it's micro-usb
Mar 04 15:26:21 <aquatix> n810 is even smaller
Mar 04 15:26:24 <aquatix> yeah, thought so
Mar 04 15:26:28 <aquatix> k, thanks
Mar 04 15:26:57 <dragorn> There are micro-usb things out there, though I haven't seen gender changers.  I found a micro-usb-a cable on amazon for $7, ordered a pile of them, and just soldered my own ends on the other side
Mar 04 15:27:53 <dragorn> Most things with an OTG cable are going to be male-male since it's meant for single devices to talk to eachother
Mar 04 15:28:37 <aquatix> hm
Mar 04 15:29:05 <aquatix> but having a microUSB-male - usb-female OTG cable would be useful
Mar 04 15:29:14 <aquatix> then you can plug in whatever you like
Mar 04 15:29:59 <dragorn> yeah, get yourself a $0.30 coupler
Mar 04 15:30:20 <dragorn> or a male-female extension cable, and some soldering time
Mar 04 15:49:30 <cyberholic> Hi Everyone, wish you a pleasant day :)
Mar 04 15:51:07 <cyberholic> anyone in here?
Mar 04 15:51:14 <cyberholic> i am.... anyone in here alive? :)
Mar 04 15:51:50 <pupnik> hi cyberholic
Mar 04 15:52:04 <pupnik> new tweaked xkbd and dosbox builds over at pupnik.de
Mar 04 15:52:10 <cyberholic> hello pupnik :) ... i am having a question about developing a DEB files, can you help me?
Mar 04 15:52:19 <pupnik> i will try
Mar 04 15:52:31 <cyberholic> pupnik: does dosbox mean, you emulated dos?
Mar 04 15:52:47 <pupnik> no the dosbox developers did - i just helped bring it to the tablet
Mar 04 15:53:00 <cyberholic> NOW i love you :)
Mar 04 15:53:02 <pupnik> http://pupnik.de/dosbox.html  dosbox 0.72 with new xkbd
Mar 04 15:53:13 <cyberholic> wich version is it? 6.x?
Mar 04 15:53:20 <pupnik> 7.2 cvs+
Mar 04 15:54:05 <cyberholic> AWESOME! i mean, i finished at something like 5.x but noticed years later that the community continued devloping it after it was declared as "Dead" by i can not remember anymore whom it was
Mar 04 15:55:43 <pupnik> I recommend using a bluetooth keyboard with dosbox though.
Mar 04 15:56:25 <cyberholic> pupnik: if i download it... i own a n800 bis os2008 on it. shall i download the os2008.de or the Repo Install file? ... i am not much into linux, so i do not know wich one to install.
Mar 04 15:56:47 <pupnik> install the deb.  if you want you can also install rubybox frontend
Mar 04 15:57:09 <cyberholic> what is a rubybox frontend? do not answer if this may take too long :)
Mar 04 15:57:10 <pupnik> rubybox needs ruby installed.  to install ruby click on the ruby install link
Mar 04 15:57:30 <cyberholic> But what is ruby?
Mar 04 15:57:33 <pupnik> rubybox is a brand new dosbox game launcher and configuration tool
Mar 04 15:57:38 <pupnik> ruby is a programming language
Mar 04 15:57:51 <cyberholic> ah! thanks. got it now!
Mar 04 15:59:04 <cyberholic> *haha* funny! Rubybox simulates the sblaster!!!! I had nightmares with my soundblaster cards and configuring the jumpers as i also had a hand-scanner on my AT desktop :)
Mar 04 16:00:26 <cyberholic> pupnik: looooooks sooooo GREAT! Can it only be handled with the bluetooth keyboard?
Mar 04 16:00:40 <pupnik> It can also be run with xkbd
Mar 04 16:00:41 <onion> yay, glxgears gives 10fps on the N810
Mar 04 16:00:45 <pupnik> http://pupnik.de/xkbd.html
Mar 04 16:01:07 <pupnik> please tell me if you have problems cyberholic, it is a brand new build
Mar 04 16:02:09 <pupnik> you've run opengl apps with mesa on your pc onion?
Mar 04 16:02:35 <cyberholic> pupnik: well at the moment it looks awesome! The problem is, like i just said, that i do not know very much about the linux system. So at the moment i would not even know where to upload games or ... NORTON COMMANDER *griiiiiiiiiin* to use it :) .... but i am more and more getting into linux.
Mar 04 16:03:14 <pupnik> put the games on your internal or external memory card, in a directory called DOS
Mar 04 16:03:48 <cyberholic> cool, thanks! what kind of processor is the dosbox emulating? My first pc was a 386
Mar 04 16:04:49 <pupnik> it is too slow for most 386 games.  it can run most pre-1990 games ok
Mar 04 16:05:43 <unixSnob> dosbox supports like 2 or 3 thousand games.. warcraft 2 is one of them (not pre-90s)
Mar 04 16:06:06 <unixSnob> so is that list of supported games a teaser
Mar 04 16:06:38 <onion> pupnik: yes?
Mar 04 16:07:02 <pupnik> onion: well then you know that software opengl is useless
Mar 04 16:07:24 <skibur> chimx
Mar 04 16:08:01 <cyberholic> pupnik: thanks a lot, this tool brought a big smile on my face and a lot of past moments back into my brain :)
Mar 04 16:08:42 <pupnik> you're welcome :)
Mar 04 16:08:54 <onion> pupnik: yes, but what other software 3D stacks are there ?
Mar 04 16:09:05 <cyberholic> I would like to ask a question to everyone: i do not know much about linux, DEB or INSTALL files. So my question is this.... Can a DEB file be compared like a .BAT file in DOS?
Mar 04 16:09:18 <onion> pupnik: that has somekind of gtk bindings
Mar 04 16:10:28 <pupnik> general purpose 3d is slow.  games that do 3d in software have limited engines specific to their needs.  Some 3d games that run fast are Doom*, Descent2, Quake1/2, Duke NUkem, Warzone2100
Mar 04 16:10:56 <pupnik> Also there are some independent 3d engines designed for arm, for e.g. Yeti3D
Mar 04 16:11:08 <pupnik> Oh
Mar 04 16:11:29 <onion> pupnik: well, I'm not thinking about a game
Mar 04 16:11:50 <pupnik> ok i see - gui stuff
Mar 04 16:12:21 <onion> pupnik: just some simple textured quads
Mar 04 16:14:22 <cyberholic> pupnik: can you tell me if a DEB file can be compared to a .BAT dos file?
Mar 04 16:15:00 <pupnik> a deb is like a .zip file with an integrated .bat file that handles part of the install
Mar 04 16:15:37 <pupnik> that *can have* integrated helper batchfiles
Mar 04 16:16:28 <cyberholic> ok. thanks :) my hope was that the deb file can have some kind of link so that a SWF (flash) file will be automaticly opend with the browser. In Example: webbrowser.deb -thefile.swf
Mar 04 16:17:47 <GeneralAntilles> http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/ultimatelaptop.jpg
Mar 04 16:18:39 <jaska_> too new keyboard
Mar 04 16:18:43 <texel> GeneralAntilles: you, sir, are insane. =o)
Mar 04 16:19:23 <kaatis> GeneralAntilles, nice keyboard, is that IBM Model M?
Mar 04 16:19:29 <GeneralAntilles> Unicomp Model M
Mar 04 16:19:34 <derf> It has Windows keys.
Mar 04 16:19:34 <GeneralAntilles> pckeyboard.com
Mar 04 16:19:37 <derf> It can't be IBM.
Mar 04 16:19:55 <kaatis> iirc they made some with windows keys
Mar 04 16:19:56 <GeneralAntilles> The guys that got the patents from Lexmark.
Mar 04 16:20:37 <texel> kaatis: you sure about that? I've been around PS/2s since forever, and I never saw a Model M with windows keys. O.o
Mar 04 16:21:39 <kaatis> cyberholic, .deb file is not executable, it's meant to be installed with packaging tools. it's more like contents and declaration how to install them
Mar 04 16:21:58 <GeneralAntilles> A bit like .pkg on OS X.
Mar 04 16:23:51 <kaatis> texel, not sure about that. but I'm happy to have secured lifetime supply of finnish layout model m's :)
Mar 04 16:24:03 <texel> Hehehe
Mar 04 16:24:05 <cyberholic> thanks a lot! As i do not know how to write my own browser-application (by embedding the mbrowser stuff, for example) i thought i could force a file to be opend with the browser automaticly
Mar 04 16:27:47 <cyberholic> Can i ask you guys about a small solution for an idea i have?
Mar 04 16:29:18 <kaatis> cyberholic, if you want a browser based application then maybe just add a .desktop shortcut which starts the browser pointing at your application
Mar 04 16:31:09 <cyberholic> kaatis: the question is: where shall i put that shortcut (folder) and what if the shortcut is not on the web, but localy? ..... for example: some of you already checked out my clock and calender and timer aplication at http://www.cyberholic.de/maemo/ .... what if i want this aplication to be offline on the device?
Mar 04 16:31:44 <cyberholic> I am ready the maemo "how to write new applications"... tutorial on maemo.org...... do i understand it right, that i can develop the aplication directly on the device with maemopad?
Mar 04 16:34:58 <kaatis> cyberholic, you don't.
Mar 04 16:35:08 <kaatis> cyberholic, url can point also to file://...
Mar 04 16:38:13 <cyberholic> kaatis: thanks! That would mean, i would have to code a .DEB File that create a directory called, for example, CYBERHOLIC and copy the .SWF file in there. And then a .desktop shortcut to this one...... but can i script that directly with maemopad?
Mar 04 16:39:53 <kaatis> cyberholic, something like that. maemopad is really useful in this. see Debian New Maintainers' Guide http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/
Mar 04 16:40:59 <kaatis> mean to say isn't really useful
Mar 04 16:48:38 <cyberholic> kaatis: thanks a lot. I tried to find the maemopad application to install on my device, but i could only find maemopad+ and that seems not be the correct file. Can you tell me where to get maemopad ?
Mar 04 16:48:57 <MangoFusion> GeneralAntilles: haha, nice laptop :)
Mar 04 16:56:58 <kaatis> cyberholic, the debian package is in repository.maemo.org , but there's similar text editor on the device.
Mar 04 16:57:56 <GeneralAntilles> There wouldn't happen to be a straightforward way of reading HFS+?
Mar 04 17:01:59 <Veggen> Hm. I wonder if I should start a backports repository ;)
Mar 04 17:02:00 <texel> GeneralAntilles: From the device, or a computer?
Mar 04 17:02:26 <Veggen> <---backported apt and newer application manager, yesterday. Successfully running on my tablet now.
Mar 04 17:02:56 <GeneralAntilles> ITOS
Mar 04 17:03:10 <texel> Veggen: What's the advantage of the newer app manager?
Mar 04 17:03:33 <texel> GeneralAntilles: Hmm... You'd probably need to compile the kernel module for it, and then you could mount HFS disks...
Mar 04 17:03:41 <texel> ...but I'm not sure if HFS+ is readable by Linux just yet.
Mar 04 17:03:45 <texel> Last I checked, I was unable to.
Mar 04 17:03:50 <GeneralAntilles> Oh really?
Mar 04 17:03:51 <GeneralAntilles> Huh.
Mar 04 17:04:08 <GeneralAntilles> Not particularly important, just wanted to try out my RAID with it.
Mar 04 17:05:17 <Veggen> texel: actually, I got tempted by the fact that the long-version-name-bug was fixed.
Mar 04 17:06:00 <Veggen> texel: current application manager shows the full version-string if space, possibly stealing all the space from the package name. It annoyed the heck out of me ;)
Mar 04 17:07:33 <texel> Ahh. Yeah, that would annoy me as well. =op
Mar 04 17:07:38 <texel> Though I haven't run into that problem yet.
Mar 04 17:12:02 <cyberholic> Oh, one question left i have: can i download the MAEMO logo anywhere as vector file?
Mar 04 17:13:08 <GeneralAntilles> It's on their website
Mar 04 17:13:13 <GeneralAntilles> google maemo trademark
Mar 04 17:13:15 <GeneralAntilles> It's svg
Mar 04 17:13:30 <GeneralAntilles> Or: http://maemo.org/intro/trademarks/logos.html
Mar 04 17:15:14 <texel> Haha -- and it looks good in a Safari dashboard webclip, too. =op
Mar 04 17:16:25 * texel accidentally clicked on the "Open in Dashboard" menu item
Mar 04 17:16:27 <cyberholic> general: THANKS A LOT :)
Mar 04 17:33:29 <cyberholic> Maybe someone of you can be of help: if i want to open a local SWF (flash) file on my device, the browser does not open it and adds dozens of slashes (////////) like a loop.... any suggestion what this could be?
Mar 04 17:34:38 <cyberholic> ok... sorry people. solution found! I had flash turned off in the setting :(
Mar 04 17:34:49 <Navi> lol
Mar 04 17:34:55 <Navi> I pulled that one the other day.
Mar 04 17:40:31 <cyberholic> Navi: good to know that i am not the only one ;)
Mar 04 17:40:44 <cyberholic> I thought it was a virus! .... LOOOOOOOOOOL
Mar 04 17:42:28 <Navi> >_>
Mar 04 18:03:13 <pupnik> whar.  i just about doubled framerate in this game just now
Mar 04 18:03:18 <pupnik> love those easy hacks
Mar 04 18:04:12 <pupnik> http://pastebin.ca/927967
Mar 04 18:17:48 <jaska_> yet another watchdog reboot.. time to disable it i guess
Mar 04 18:27:54 <AD-N771> dockdock: my n810 reboted join #jep
Mar 04 18:33:38 <jaska_> hmm, enabled no-retu-wd and now it just powers down after a few seconds from boot
Mar 04 18:33:39 <jaska_> hooray
Mar 04 18:36:11 <kuriiri_> jaska :)
Mar 04 18:36:18 <jaska_> kuurrre
Mar 04 18:36:27 <jaska_> my 810 is cursed :)
Mar 04 18:36:45 <kuriiri_> why did you play with it :D
Mar 04 18:36:58 <kuriiri_> mine works just fine :)
Mar 04 18:37:01 <jaska_> uh i didnt
Mar 04 18:37:12 <jaska_> it watchdogreboots when i do stuff for a while
Mar 04 18:37:18 <kuriiri> i don't believe that
Mar 04 18:37:24 <kuriiri> because i know you :D
Mar 04 18:37:27 <jaska_> already reflashed it and repartitioned the sd
Mar 04 18:37:42 <jaska_> well i was just browsing in application manager
Mar 04 18:37:43 <jaska_> and puuf
Mar 04 18:37:57 <kuriiri> hmm
Mar 04 18:38:18 <jaska_> yes im going to do all sorts of weird things.. but first i need to get the damn thing to work
Mar 04 18:38:22 <kuriiri> sounds weird
Mar 04 18:38:42 <jaska_> added no-omap-wd now
Mar 04 18:42:14 <jaska_> hah.. again and again
Mar 04 18:46:51 <jaska_> it just crashes if i disable the retu watchdog
Mar 04 19:09:50 <pupnik> oh a bunch of things would be faster if we had hardware 32bpp->16bpp
Mar 04 19:10:35 <konttori> any qt developers in here?
Mar 04 19:10:45 * konttori just saw the excellent qt4 port project: http://qt4.garage.maemo.org/
Mar 04 19:17:30 <pupnik> hrm multiplying by a look-up table...
Mar 04 19:18:18 * mgedmin tries to imagine a lookup table for 32bpp -> 16bpp conversion
Mar 04 19:19:53 <pupnik> well since there's only 5 or 6 bits that matter
Mar 04 19:20:03 <pupnik> they make a 32x32 or 64x64 table for values
Mar 04 19:20:10 <pupnik> and look em up to multiply pixel values
Mar 04 19:20:12 <pupnik> http://pastebin.ca/928033
Mar 04 19:20:24 <pupnik> used in some kind of blending i think
Mar 04 19:21:21 <spirytusick> evening everyone :)
Mar 04 19:21:29 <pupnik> hey spirytusick
Mar 04 19:21:40 <spirytusick> pupnik: hey :) nice to see you :)
Mar 04 19:21:50 <spirytusick> pupnik: what you've been up to today ?
Mar 04 19:22:08 <pupnik> got a lot more speed out of 'nogravity' today
Mar 04 19:22:32 <pupnik> needs ui fixups and a.. well a real brain to look at it
Mar 04 19:22:48 <spirytusick> pupnik: real brain, that would be you :)
Mar 04 19:23:25 <pupnik> changed some .h files and some .ini variables and easily doubled framerate
Mar 04 19:23:38 <spirytusick> pupnik: what is it oscilating at atm ?
Mar 04 19:23:52 <pupnik> don't have a fps counter - 4-30 fps
Mar 04 19:24:05 <spirytusick> pupnik: impressive, as darth vader would have said...
Mar 04 19:24:15 <spirytusick> pupnik: is it playable without a keyboard ?
Mar 04 19:25:05 <pupnik> https://garage.maemo.org/projects/nogravity/   i made it through the first training level
Mar 04 19:25:19 <spirytusick> pupnik: so the sdl rendering is working ok! good to know
Mar 04 19:26:20 <spirytusick> pupnik: dowloading your alpha, will have to check this out when my wife comes back and settles in front of tv :)
Mar 04 19:26:32 <pupnik> my what
Mar 04 19:26:41 <pupnik> oh that's sergio's version
Mar 04 19:26:50 <pupnik> you need the nogravity shareware data too
Mar 04 19:26:52 <spirytusick> pupnik: understood, you just improving on it
Mar 04 19:27:15 <pupnik> if you're downloding my version then GET OUT of my computer
Mar 04 19:27:20 <pupnik> :)
Mar 04 19:28:53 <spirytusick> pupnik: hehe :) will try sergio's one. Once yours is polished enought will you post it on your ArnimS corner ? :)
Mar 04 19:30:09 <pupnik> i'll post changes at least
Mar 04 19:30:12 <spirytusick> pupnik: thanks
Mar 04 19:30:38 <spirytusick> pupnik: I will try to get alsa-oss to work this weekend. will have some spare time if nothing comes up
Mar 04 19:31:10 <pupnik> that'd be cool .. should be possible.  otherwise it's also possible to patch-on a different backend to these OSS programs
Mar 04 19:31:13 <spirytusick> pupnik: it's probably a lost fight without knowing a lot about the tablet internals, but sometimes even a fool has a lucky day
Mar 04 19:31:35 <pupnik> yes.  someone on the mailing list has claimed success with esd-oss fyi
Mar 04 19:33:06 <spirytusick> pupnik: interesting, I want to get a module tracker working on the tablet . Got by C for idiots book but haven't got the time to spare atm, life sucks once one is 30...
Mar 04 19:33:22 <lcuk> has anyone seen any c examples with bits of inline 2420 asm in them?
Mar 04 19:33:33 <spirytusick> pupnik: work, home, family, sleep, work...
Mar 04 19:33:58 <spirytusick> icuk: you might try contacting some devs from symbian side, I am sure they will be able to help out
Mar 04 19:34:34 <spirytusick> icuk: try anotherguest, who ported picodrive and various emus to symbian, I bet he was using asm for at least some bits of his project
Mar 04 19:35:16 <spirytusick> lcuk: you can also try with syntrax devs (that would rock on the tablet btw) ...
Mar 04 19:35:43 <spirytusick> ok guys, gotta get the dinner sorted out... will see you later
Mar 04 19:35:52 <lcuk> fair enough, but wouldnt they hang out in different channels and stuff - thx tho
Mar 04 19:36:14 <MangoFusion> spirytusick: tried MilkyTracker?
Mar 04 19:38:21 <spirytusick> MangoFusion: not yet, there's an arm version but it will probably not workd straight out
Mar 04 19:38:43 <spirytusick> ok gotta get down to it now guys... see you later
Mar 04 19:41:28 <pupnik> cheers spirytusick  (eating too
Mar 04 20:27:14 <unixSnob> Any suggestions for podcast tools?  Anyone tried gpodder or canola to get podcasts?
Mar 04 20:29:31 <GeneralAntilles> Both
Mar 04 20:29:33 <GeneralAntilles> They're both fine.
Mar 04 20:30:44 <unixSnob> cool.. i'll prolly try canola 1st.. seems to be pretty feature packed
Mar 04 20:33:41 <KotCzarny> yawn
Mar 04 20:42:25 <Tama^2> yawn
Mar 04 20:44:49 <sxpert> wow... calypso chip doc leaked
Mar 04 20:45:07 <sxpert> http://cryptome.org/ti-calypso1.pdf
Mar 04 20:45:17 <sxpert> http://cryptome.org/ti-calypso2.pdf
Mar 04 20:48:18 <unixSnob> I don't get why that doc would even be confidential and proprietary.. just looks like specs for their chip
Mar 04 20:49:39 <sxpert> unixSnob, well. it's a GSM chip. I suppose your average provider don't want people mucking around their (already fragile by design) network
Mar 04 20:50:08 <sxpert> more importantly, it's the chip used in the openmoko :-)
Mar 04 20:50:41 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 04 20:50:44 <unixSnob> So the openmoko crowd technically doesn't have this doc?  They've benn working blind?
Mar 04 20:50:58 <unixSnob> s/benn/been/
Mar 04 20:50:59 <infobot> unixSnob meant: So the openmoko crowd technically doesn't have this doc?  They've been working blind?
Mar 04 20:51:13 <sxpert> well, they've been issuing AT commands via a serial port
Mar 04 20:52:07 <unixSnob> guess we should download this before someone at ti discovers it :)
Mar 04 20:52:35 <sxpert> ain't going away now that it's at cryptome
Mar 04 20:52:59 <sxpert> I've never seen a file removed from there
Mar 04 20:53:57 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe, unixSnob, that's always been my practice.
Mar 04 20:54:06 <GeneralAntilles> "Oh, leaked doc?" *download*
Mar 04 20:55:45 <KotCzarny> your hdd will be leaking
Mar 04 20:55:53 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 04 20:57:03 <GeneralAntilles> No HDDs over here, just HDs.
Mar 04 21:08:39 <Yanker> heya, im sweeping through the maemomm tutorials and im looking at a include: #include <hildon-libs/*.h>...
Mar 04 21:08:52 <Yanker> what are these hildon-libsmm?
Mar 04 21:15:51 <Yanker> i see a doc: http://maemomm.garage.maemo.org/docs/reference/hildon-libsmm/html/
Mar 04 21:16:00 <Yanker> but no source / libraries .o.O
Mar 04 21:16:15 <jaska_> and another wd reboot
Mar 04 21:16:26 <jaska_> and the n810 wasnt doing anything heh, just pinging it
Mar 04 21:16:43 <KotCzarny> jaska, top?
Mar 04 21:16:44 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 04 21:16:51 <KotCzarny> or, dmesg
Mar 04 21:16:58 <KotCzarny> maybe you card is corrupted
Mar 04 21:17:01 <Tama^2> Yanker: looks like it's the C++ hildon wrapper lib to me
Mar 04 21:17:32 <jaska_> had a while :; do sleep 2 ; cat /proc/meminfo ; done
Mar 04 21:17:52 <KotCzarny> watch load too
Mar 04 21:17:55 <jaska_> the busybox free doesnt show -/+ buffer/cache
Mar 04 21:18:25 <Veggen> Ok. I wrote down yesterdays adventure with hildon application manager: http://vegard.engen.priv.no/blog/
Mar 04 21:18:34 <jaska_> hmmh
Mar 04 21:18:53 <jaska_> probably need to make a the box connected to it log
Mar 04 21:18:55 <Yanker> yes it seems, the example is from maemo.garage.maemo.org - but in the package manager i only find three libs, hildonmm, hildon-fmmm and hildon-notifymm
Mar 04 21:19:09 <Yanker> Tama^2 but no hildon-libsmm :)
Mar 04 21:19:15 <jaska_> and leave it overnight
Mar 04 21:19:48 <KotCzarny> or just reflash it
Mar 04 21:19:49 <KotCzarny> :>
Mar 04 21:19:56 <jaska_> i just reflashed it
Mar 04 21:20:02 <jaska_> and repartitioned the sd
Mar 04 21:20:03 <KotCzarny> huh
Mar 04 21:20:05 <Tama^2> have taken a look at what is inside 'hildonmm'?
Mar 04 21:20:08 <KotCzarny> try without the sd?
Mar 04 21:20:26 <jaska_> the builtin sd? how do i get it off
Mar 04 21:20:32 <KotCzarny> ah
Mar 04 21:20:43 <KotCzarny> i though about external cards
Mar 04 21:21:44 <KotCzarny> dmesg doesn't show anything ?
Mar 04 21:22:00 <jaska_> about corruption?
Mar 04 21:22:05 <jaska_> lets see
Mar 04 21:22:12 <Yanker> Tama^2 well its approximately the same, as the examples include - just with slight variations
Mar 04 21:22:34 <Yanker> i guess its a wip wrapper library, which is only accessible through svn or something
Mar 04 21:23:43 <Yanker> maybe i should stick with basic hildon-1 API and then do the c++ in glib and gtk only..
Mar 04 21:23:51 <jaska_> [   29.984375] JFFS2 notice: (430) check_node_data: wrong data CRC in data node at 0x0c5c01b4: read 0xb7eec4b2, calculated 0x4c99d16.
Mar 04 21:23:55 <jaska_> [   30.046875] JFFS2 notice: (430) check_node_data: wrong data CRC in data node at 0x0e772b34: read 0x36453093, calculated 0xf8e51931.
Mar 04 21:24:05 <konttori> This is totally unbelieable piece of software: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16079
Mar 04 21:24:18 <konttori> mypaint - jusr marvelous painting program
Mar 04 21:24:45 <KotCzarny> supports pressure sensitivity?
Mar 04 21:24:47 <lcuk> hey there, does anyone know why i need to include the following line of code to make my program go faster?:
Mar 04 21:24:47 <lcuk> int dummy=xx*yy*(int)(glyph)*xx*yy;
Mar 04 21:24:47 <jaska_> and how prototype my n810 is also unbelievable
Mar 04 21:24:47 <konttori> If I could, I'd give it 6 stars already even if the hildonization is only partly done
Mar 04 21:24:58 <lcuk> if i leave this line out, my code runs at 9fps, if i put it in it runs at 27fps
Mar 04 21:25:00 <konttori> supports sensitivity
Mar 04 21:25:12 <konttori> you need to install it with dpkg -i
Mar 04 21:25:23 <konttori> appman doesn't support the deb for some reason
Mar 04 21:25:43 <konttori> and it actually does all the strokes just the way it's supposed to.
Mar 04 21:26:02 <konttori> also supports charcoal ... whatever drawing. really close to painter on windows.
Mar 04 21:26:07 <lcuk> the dummy variable is not used at all.  it is deep within a blit routine, so is called thousands of times per frame
Mar 04 21:26:26 <jaska_> soo.. i need to reflash again?
Mar 04 21:26:29 <konttori> Here is desktop screenshot: http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~mrenold/mypaint/mypaint_sshot_v0.4.jpg
Mar 04 21:26:48 <KotCzarny> jaska, i don't know..
Mar 04 21:26:52 * konttori gos to sleep. night all!
Mar 04 21:27:09 <KotCzarny> if you don't find another source of reboots..
Mar 04 21:27:21 <KotCzarny> how long does it take for it to reboot?
Mar 04 21:27:26 <KotCzarny> (from booting)
Mar 04 21:27:27 <jaska_> varies
Mar 04 21:27:43 <jaska_> if its doing nothing then it seems to take hours
Mar 04 21:28:00 <KotCzarny> hmm
Mar 04 21:28:30 <KotCzarny> return it? :>
Mar 04 21:29:49 <jaska_> cba to drive ~870km roundtrip just for that :)
Mar 04 21:30:04 <KotCzarny> :>
Mar 04 21:30:20 <KotCzarny> mail?
Mar 04 21:31:20 <jaska_> just wish i had something to assess the health of the flash chips with
Mar 04 21:32:08 <KotCzarny> boot from mmc?
Mar 04 21:32:09 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 04 21:32:31 <jaska_> dont have any
Mar 04 21:32:46 <KotCzarny> 2gbs are cheap
Mar 04 21:33:25 <jaska_> and well.. the wear leveing on those is crummy :)
Mar 04 21:33:34 <KotCzarny> depends
Mar 04 21:34:28 <lcuk> as a way to allow you to recover from a nasty crash its a cheap bit of security
Mar 04 21:35:13 <KotCzarny> also wearing external card is cheaper than internal flash :)
Mar 04 21:35:35 <lcuk> kot, thx you just convinced me that im gonna do it lol
Mar 04 21:35:41 <KotCzarny> lol
Mar 04 21:35:43 <KotCzarny> yes
Mar 04 21:35:48 <KotCzarny> i'm gonna do it too
Mar 04 21:35:51 <lcuk> i hadnt seen a need until then
Mar 04 21:36:06 <KotCzarny> i have already installed boot loader and fs on external card
Mar 04 21:36:08 <jaska_> yeah true.. replacing onboard flash chips is a bit hard :)
Mar 04 21:36:09 <lcuk> i saw it as a data store not a backup device
Mar 04 21:36:31 <lcuk> any ideas which are the faster/est chips to get?
Mar 04 21:36:32 <KotCzarny> and by external i mean replaceable slots
Mar 04 21:36:39 <KotCzarny> lcuk: doesn't matter
Mar 04 21:36:49 <KotCzarny> controller seems to be limited to ~5mb/s
Mar 04 21:36:56 <KotCzarny> internal flash is ~15
Mar 04 21:37:02 <KotCzarny> but 5 is good enough
Mar 04 21:37:09 <lcuk> but ive seen a kernel knocking about which opens up the throttle
Mar 04 21:37:12 <KotCzarny> you won't be loading gigs
Mar 04 21:37:30 <lcuk> yes you will - dont look down on yourself ;)
Mar 04 21:37:45 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 04 21:37:56 <KotCzarny> i'm talking about os, not videos :)
Mar 04 22:02:43 <drjnut> Hi! does anyone achieved to record video on n810?
Mar 04 22:03:34 <drjnut> I used gstreamer along with the hantro4200enc, but quality is poor...
Mar 04 22:03:45 <livinded> using the camera?
Mar 04 22:03:51 <livinded> I think it's just a shitty camera
Mar 04 22:03:52 <KotCzarny> use mplayer
Mar 04 22:03:53 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 04 22:04:04 <drjnut> KotCzarny, mplayer?
Mar 04 22:04:05 <KotCzarny> erm. mencoder
Mar 04 22:04:09 <drjnut> ok
Mar 04 22:04:16 <ds3> there is a update/beta camera app that suppose to do video
Mar 04 22:04:36 <drjnut> how do I select video0 for input? (I'm used to mencoder on the pc)
Mar 04 22:04:51 <KotCzarny> exec mencoder -nosound -o cam.avi \
Mar 04 22:04:51 <KotCzarny>  -noautoexpand  \
Mar 04 22:04:51 <KotCzarny>  -ofps 10 \
Mar 04 22:04:51 <KotCzarny>  tv:// -tv driver=v4l2:width=176:height=144:device=/dev/video0 \
Mar 04 22:04:51 <KotCzarny>  -sws 0 -vf yuvcsp \
Mar 04 22:04:52 <KotCzarny>  -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:turbo
Mar 04 22:05:10 <KotCzarny> if you need sound just google for mencoder options
Mar 04 22:05:17 <drjnut> KotCzarny,  thx a lot
Mar 04 22:05:27 <drjnut> I'll be fine
Mar 04 22:05:43 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 04 22:05:50 <drjnut> I tested mplayer with tv:// but it said tv wasn't compiled in, so I dropped it
Mar 04 22:06:07 <drjnut> I like to see what it does on mplayer before using mencoder
Mar 04 22:06:09 <KotCzarny> drjnut: just for your info: i had to recompile mencoder
Mar 04 22:06:15 <drjnut> ach!!
Mar 04 22:06:18 <drjnut> ok
Mar 04 22:06:21 <drjnut> :-)
Mar 04 22:06:29 <KotCzarny> if you want a binary i can give you it
Mar 04 22:06:30 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 04 22:06:47 <KotCzarny> btw. cam. in nokia is exposed as regular v4l2 device
Mar 04 22:06:56 <drjnut> yep
Mar 04 22:06:57 <KotCzarny> do any program you have used on pc will work
Mar 04 22:07:01 <KotCzarny> *so
Mar 04 22:07:25 * drjnut 's mum told him not to accept binary from strangers
Mar 04 22:07:32 <KotCzarny> then compile it yourself
Mar 04 22:07:33 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 04 22:07:39 <drjnut> yhx a lot
Mar 04 22:07:50 <drjnut> s/yhx/thx/
Mar 04 22:07:50 <infobot> drjnut meant: thx a lot
Mar 04 22:08:01 <KotCzarny> you will have to fix it though in a few places
Mar 04 22:08:08 <drjnut> infobot is clever!!!
Mar 04 22:08:16 <drjnut> no problem
Mar 04 22:08:27 <KotCzarny> mostly undefined variables
Mar 04 22:08:35 <KotCzarny> just copy them from mplayer.c i guess
Mar 04 22:08:57 <KotCzarny> worked for me ;)
Mar 04 22:09:17 <drjnut> ok
Mar 04 22:09:49 <drjnut> What is the best resolution one can achieve on playing videos on n810? using which codec?
Mar 04 22:10:01 <drjnut> I saw 400x240 works fine
Mar 04 22:10:09 <KotCzarny> yes
Mar 04 22:10:09 <drjnut> but I'd like to go HD :-)
Mar 04 22:10:13 <KotCzarny> but only ~4fps
Mar 04 22:10:16 <KotCzarny> on n800
Mar 04 22:10:16 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 04 22:10:21 <drjnut> oOps...
Mar 04 22:10:23 <KotCzarny> ;)
Mar 04 22:10:40 <KotCzarny> btw.
Mar 04 22:10:50 <Navi> Why go HD on a screen that's only 800x480?
Mar 04 22:10:51 <KotCzarny> for playing i achieved 23fps at 720x448
Mar 04 22:10:52 <KotCzarny> ;)
Mar 04 22:11:02 <drjnut> good!
Mar 04 22:11:04 <Navi> What a waste of mah pixelz
Mar 04 22:11:10 <drjnut> Navi, it was just a joke!
Mar 04 22:11:16 <Navi> drjnut, liar
Mar 04 22:11:21 <GeneralAntilles> Navi, no transcoding. :)
Mar 04 22:11:25 <Navi> zomg
Mar 04 22:11:27 <KotCzarny> 225dpi screen looks cute :>
Mar 04 22:11:28 <drjnut> french guys likes to joke
Mar 04 22:12:02 <KotCzarny> that 4fps was about camera speed
Mar 04 22:12:03 <KotCzarny> ;)
Mar 04 22:12:13 <drjnut> Navi, btw, 800x480 ~= 480p
Mar 04 22:12:25 <spirytusick> drjnut: well on out IT's HD usually means Horribly Delayed...
Mar 04 22:12:26 <GeneralAntilles> 480p isn't HDTV
Mar 04 22:12:28 <Navi> Still not high definition
Mar 04 22:12:36 <Navi> just EDTV
Mar 04 22:12:40 <GeneralAntilles> ^
Mar 04 22:12:55 <spirytusick> HD starts at 720p afaik
Mar 04 22:13:07 <drjnut> oh my...
Mar 04 22:13:20 <drjnut> I didn't want to start a resolution war...
Mar 04 22:13:26 <spirytusick> :-)
Mar 04 22:13:37 <drjnut> I said HD (not HDTV) with respect to 400x240
Mar 04 22:14:09 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 04 22:14:31 <KotCzarny> i'm just happy with ~vga res vids
Mar 04 22:14:32 <drjnut> If I want to watch HDTV, I use my 24"  (1280p)
Mar 04 22:14:37 <KotCzarny> i'm shortsighted anyway
Mar 04 22:14:38 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 04 22:14:47 * drjnut wears big glasses
Mar 04 22:14:48 <Tama^2> my HD has more pixels than yours >.>
Mar 04 22:14:55 <drjnut> Tama^2, !!!
Mar 04 22:15:04 <drjnut> I must go buy another one
Mar 04 22:15:24 <spirytusick> KotCzarny: I normally encode at 400x240 .. suits me ok. I've got a pair of glasses free with 12p themes package :)
Mar 04 22:15:30 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 04 22:15:32 <drjnut> bigger, stronger, faster
Mar 04 22:15:55 <spirytusick> drjnut: gotta be carefull when looking into the sun... :)
Mar 04 22:16:15 <spirytusick> drjnut: spontaneous sunlight focusing can do terrible harm :)
Mar 04 22:16:17 <drjnut> spirytusick, I'm a vampire... the sun never sees ùe
Mar 04 22:16:22 <drjnut> s/ùe/me/
Mar 04 22:16:23 <infobot> drjnut meant: spirytusick, I'm a vampire... the sun never sees me
Mar 04 22:16:31 <spirytusick> drjnut: especially in your case :)
Mar 04 22:16:45 <leif__> yuck: http://news.google.com/news?q=silverlight+%22internet+tablet%22
Mar 04 22:17:37 <drjnut> spirytusick, which codec do you use? I'd like to use theora, but had no time to test (got my 810 last friday)
Mar 04 22:18:15 <spirytusick> i stick with a tablet-encode script. easy, does batch converting and saves me the trouble of memorizing mencoder cli switches...
Mar 04 22:18:16 <KotCzarny> p.O
Mar 04 22:18:18 <Tama^2> "Nokia will also make Silverlight available on its Series 40 devices and its Internet Tablet devices, the companies are expected to announce Tuesday."
Mar 04 22:18:25 <KotCzarny> what's that silverlight thing?
Mar 04 22:18:36 <spirytusick> KotCzarny: like flash but ms made... a bit
Mar 04 22:18:47 <drjnut> spirytusick, ok
Mar 04 22:18:58 <Tama^2> finally professionally written reliable software for the tablets... not
Mar 04 22:19:19 <drjnut> I like to use gstreamer, so I'll try to find good settings
Mar 04 22:19:30 <spirytusick> well hildon-active-desktop will propably follow :)
Mar 04 22:19:58 <drjnut> silverlight is very bad for my vampire's eyes
Mar 04 22:20:00 <KotCzarny> hmm
Mar 04 22:20:06 <KotCzarny> i guess it can be uninstalled
Mar 04 22:20:07 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 04 22:20:07 <spirytusick> Tama^2: bringin your machine to its knees at no extra cost... :)
Mar 04 22:20:13 <leif__> silverlight is Microsoft being jealous of Adobe's success in making the web less open
Mar 04 22:20:16 <pupnik> duke3d is now a lot faster thanks to sol's work tonight
Mar 04 22:20:31 * spirytusick salutes sol
Mar 04 22:20:34 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 04 22:20:53 <drjnut> when will duke nukem forever be released on maemo?
Mar 04 22:20:54 <KotCzarny> i would welcome ami/ps1 emulation ~30fps
Mar 04 22:20:58 <spirytusick> pupnik: hey hey :)
Mar 04 22:21:20 <spirytusick> KotCzarny: I would settle for ami emulation at a500 speeds but with sound :)
Mar 04 22:21:26 <KotCzarny> yes
Mar 04 22:21:32 <KotCzarny> but 25fps pls
Mar 04 22:21:33 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 04 22:21:43 <spirytusick> KotCzarny: I can't wait for that :) yep 2 pal frames will do...
Mar 04 22:22:00 <pupnik> have any of you tried OSEmuTech's euae yet?
Mar 04 22:22:19 <KotCzarny> btw. nokia's screen is refreshed @51hz i guess
Mar 04 22:22:48 <spirytusick> pupnik: did not have time, I doubt is that much faster though. it might be more compatibilie as e-uae includes some fixes from winuae which is probably the only amiga emulator being actively developped
Mar 04 22:23:30 <spirytusick> pupnik: but the weekend is closer rather than later now, so I guest I will have to find out.
Mar 04 22:23:36 <spirytusick> pupnik: frankly, I cant wait :)
Mar 04 22:24:18 <spirytusick> upss I meant the weekend is closer than it was yesterday :)
Mar 04 22:24:31 <pupnik> yeah.  well the uae frontend is usable - but doesn't have game profiles
Mar 04 22:24:36 * spirytusick needs more coffe
Mar 04 22:24:42 <pupnik> You're older than you've ever been also
Mar 04 22:24:48 <KotCzarny> yeah. food time
Mar 04 22:25:14 <spirytusick> pupnik: your front end works perfectly. I've noticed that it does not remember settings though
Mar 04 22:26:33 <spirytusick> pupnik: rom path is rememberd but other settings just tend to get lost
Mar 04 22:26:51 <KotCzarny> i though e-uae fixed it's gui
Mar 04 22:26:53 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 04 22:26:59 <KotCzarny> *thought
Mar 04 22:27:25 <pupnik> i would be happy if someone else wants to work on it
Mar 04 22:27:30 <spirytusick> it's tough thinking at 11pm we know :)
Mar 04 22:27:32 <KotCzarny> i will do
Mar 04 22:27:36 <KotCzarny> when i get to it
Mar 04 22:28:02 <spirytusick> btw any of you guys are using jaiku ?
Mar 04 22:28:22 <KotCzarny> i'm not
Mar 04 22:28:24 <KotCzarny> what's that
Mar 04 22:28:25 <KotCzarny> ?
Mar 04 22:29:18 <spirytusick> KotCzarny: a twitter/bloging client. It feels a little like im or irc conversation albeit considerably delayed, but seems ok when one is on the move, it's not overloaded like facebook and all those crappy social sites
Mar 04 22:29:26 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 04 22:29:42 <GeneralAntilles> I used it for a while.
Mar 04 22:29:46 <GeneralAntilles> Then got tired of it.
Mar 04 22:30:05 <Navi> Social sites are tiring
Mar 04 22:30:22 <KotCzarny> irc is the way of the future!!1!!!!1
Mar 04 22:30:28 <KotCzarny> *innocent*
Mar 04 22:30:35 <spirytusick> GeneralAntilles: Well I suppose i will get tired too :)
Mar 04 22:30:41 <Navi> I don't like having to clean off my wall when someone writes on it
Mar 04 22:31:03 <Veggen> KotCzarny: I do my IM through IRC, btw. bitlbee rules :)
Mar 04 22:31:27 <spirytusick> KotCzarny: I must say I love irc, i rember years ago, when were was no web and the only ways of getting files was either ftp or gopher... we've had this very old dos irc client called trumpet
Mar 04 22:31:30 <spirytusick> great times,
Mar 04 22:31:38 <spirytusick> takeovers, wars... etc.
Mar 04 22:31:49 <KotCzarny> dos, pf
Mar 04 22:31:50 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 04 22:31:59 <spirytusick> then we all switched to ircii with phoenix script if I remember correctly...
Mar 04 22:32:13 <spirytusick> good times :) Irc was not so crowded then
Mar 04 22:32:14 <Veggen> spirytusick: takeover wars stopped being fun after not too long.
Mar 04 22:32:38 <spirytusick> Veggen: early times were good :) there were no bots then, or at least very very few of them
Mar 04 22:32:49 <Veggen> true.
Mar 04 22:33:47 <spirytusick> Veggen: takeovers would look like 20 guys in the lab, all sitting at their pc's, and simultaneously deoping people...  heh... I am too old :)
Mar 04 22:34:04 <spirytusick> enough sentiments :)
Mar 04 22:34:05 <KotCzarny> a little
Mar 04 22:34:37 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 04 22:34:49 <Veggen> spirytusick: Actually, when I started, there were rarely 20 people on IRC simultaneously from my country, and certainly not in the same lab ;)
Mar 04 22:35:58 <spirytusick> Veggen: we were sitting in the uni labs, which were open 24/7, lot's of smoke and beer all over. early internet days.. you could call it an internet bar :)
Mar 04 22:36:22 <spirytusick> although a polish word 'speluna' would be probably more apropriate :)
Mar 04 22:36:23 <b0unc3> guys, HILDON == 1 stands for chinook or bora ?
Mar 04 22:37:06 * drjnut wants to ask another stupid question
Mar 04 22:37:17 <drjnut> anyone tried to port aptitude?
Mar 04 22:37:34 <KotCzarny> i have seen someone mentioning it yesterday
Mar 04 22:37:39 <Veggen> drjnut: hmm, shouldn't be too hard?
Mar 04 22:37:43 <KotCzarny> had some conflicts
Mar 04 22:37:52 <KotCzarny> but you're welcome to try :)
Mar 04 22:38:25 <spirytusick> ok guys, gotta hit the showers.. another day at work beckons... see you tommorow
Mar 04 22:38:30 <Veggen> drjnut: I backported hildon-application-manager from svn yesterday.
Mar 04 22:38:34 <drjnut> ah, I already got too many projects on my roadmap
Mar 04 22:38:35 <pupnik> cheers spirytusick
Mar 04 22:38:45 <drjnut> Veggen, yeah, saw this in your blog
Mar 04 22:39:03 <spirytusick> nite Arnim, see you here 2morrow
Mar 04 22:39:09 <spirytusick> Kocie, 3m sie, do jutra
Mar 04 22:39:39 <KotCzarny> ic ic
Mar 04 22:39:40 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 04 22:43:43 <Deformative> How do I figure out what version I have?
Mar 04 22:44:01 <KotCzarny> uname -a
Mar 04 22:44:12 <KotCzarny> or just go to settings and 'about product'
Mar 04 22:44:25 <Deformative> Does not say 4.x or such
Mar 04 22:44:49 <KotCzarny> and what does it say?
Mar 04 22:45:48 <Deformative> 2006
Mar 04 22:47:42 <KotCzarny> old.
Mar 04 22:47:43 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 04 22:48:04 <Deformative> Is there anything newer for 770?
Mar 04 22:48:39 <KotCzarny> yes
Mar 04 22:48:42 <KotCzarny> os2007he
Mar 04 22:48:43 <Veggen> Deformative: nothing official, but I hear people like the "hacker editions".
Mar 04 22:48:48 <KotCzarny> but it can be unstable
Mar 04 22:48:59 <Veggen> KotCzarny: isn't there a new os2008he too?
Mar 04 22:49:00 <Deformative> Exactly.
Mar 04 22:49:00 <KotCzarny> otoh it can have a candy factor
Mar 04 22:49:01 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 04 22:49:12 <KotCzarny> veggan: i don't know..
Mar 04 22:49:13 <KotCzarny> probably
Mar 04 22:49:14 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 04 22:49:59 <KotCzarny> deformative: in any way, it's 99% safe [tm]
Mar 04 22:50:06 <KotCzarny> so you can flash back and forth
Mar 04 22:50:13 <Deformative> Ugh, my 770 seems especially slow lately.
Mar 04 22:50:16 <Deformative> Don't know why.
Mar 04 22:50:32 <KotCzarny> top/dmesg
Mar 04 22:50:33 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 04 22:50:57 <buzzinfly> anyone know how to keep power to the wlan in a N810 using 2.2007.51-3?
Mar 04 22:51:11 <KotCzarny> turn off power saving
Mar 04 22:51:19 <KotCzarny> or at least lighten it
Mar 04 22:51:33 <Deformative> KotCzarny: How?
Mar 04 22:51:34 <Veggen> KotCzarny: mmm, it's in the advanced settings of the network connection.
Mar 04 22:51:43 <KotCzarny> veggan: probably :)
Mar 04 22:51:59 <buzzinfly> how do you turn off power saving?
Mar 04 22:52:00 <KotCzarny> deformative: run xterm
Mar 04 22:52:04 <KotCzarny> then type: top
Mar 04 22:52:06 <KotCzarny> in it
Mar 04 22:52:16 <buzzinfly> i've set the wlan_timeout gconf key to 0
Mar 04 22:52:23 <Deformative> I mean the power saving
Mar 04 22:52:27 <KotCzarny> oh
Mar 04 22:52:34 <buzzinfly> as described in http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/users/18057
Mar 04 22:52:36 <KotCzarny> veggen's suggestion is right
Mar 04 22:52:37 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 04 22:53:13 <Veggen> buzzinfly: you have settings on the connections.
Mar 04 22:54:11 <Veggen> buzzinfly: just open a wifi connection, then next until it's on the "completed" screen, there you have a choice for "Advanced".
Mar 04 22:54:35 <buzzinfly> my idle time is unlimited
Mar 04 22:54:47 <Veggen> it's not idle time.
Mar 04 22:55:13 <KotCzarny> power saving option
Mar 04 22:55:20 <KotCzarny> it's there somewhere
Mar 04 22:55:20 <Veggen> you need to edit the specific connections, i.e. the connection for your home wlan.
Mar 04 22:56:29 <KotCzarny> it's w advanced/orher
Mar 04 22:56:29 <buzzinfly> this wlan is not joining a network and is in rfmon mode with airodump-ng
Mar 04 22:56:30 <KotCzarny> other
Mar 04 22:56:44 <KotCzarny> there's 'power saving drop down'
Mar 04 22:56:52 <Veggen> buzzinfly: oh, then you'll need to do it with iwconfig.
Mar 04 22:56:56 <Deformative> All my wireless stuff is already unlimited
Mar 04 22:56:58 <KotCzarny> on (max) / on (intermediate) / off
Mar 04 22:57:05 <Veggen> buzzinfly: I think.
Mar 04 22:57:51 <KotCzarny> if it's on(max) then it turns off wifi when idle
Mar 04 22:57:58 <KotCzarny> i think
Mar 04 22:58:24 <KotCzarny> setting to on(intermediate) helped with my ssh lag
Mar 04 22:58:25 <KotCzarny> ;)
Mar 04 22:58:58 <buzzinfly> anyone know anything about init script priority?
Mar 04 22:59:08 <KotCzarny> it's in /etc/rc2.d/
Mar 04 22:59:18 <Deformative> I think I know what it is.
Mar 04 22:59:25 <Deformative> I think I have a very slow mmc card.
Mar 04 23:00:03 <johnx> buzzinfly, lower Snn numbers are executed first
Mar 04 23:01:10 <buzzinfly> so in the scenario of using an n810 as a passive monitor, should i delete the startup scripts for wlancond? or should it be run before or after my airodump-ng script?
Mar 04 23:01:59 <johnx> if you kill off wlancond while the N810 is running does it cause a reboot?
Mar 04 23:02:27 <KotCzarny> buzzinfly: just stop it
Mar 04 23:02:37 <KotCzarny> via /etc/rc2.d/script_name stop
Mar 04 23:02:47 <KotCzarny> later you can restart it
Mar 04 23:03:01 <Deformative> Is there a browser that locks up less than opera mobile?
Mar 04 23:03:10 <KotCzarny> deformative: upgrade
Mar 04 23:03:12 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 04 23:03:20 <KotCzarny> in 2008 there's no opera
Mar 04 23:03:20 <spirytusick> re :)
Mar 04 23:03:37 <KotCzarny> i guess webkit and mikrob are replacements
Mar 04 23:03:41 <Deformative> Can't I get a browser in just a package?
Mar 04 23:03:44 <Klotz> Wondering if someone can help me, I just got my n800 and want to put xchat on it, but i have no idea about repositories and what not
Mar 04 23:03:51 <KotCzarny> if it's available for a 2006..
Mar 04 23:03:52 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 04 23:04:06 <johnx> Klotz, have you upgraded to OS2008 yet?
Mar 04 23:04:12 <Klotz> johnx - Yes I have
Mar 04 23:04:35 <johnx> ok, there's a beta for OS2008 (aka chinook). google for xchat chinook beta
Mar 04 23:04:39 <johnx> first result
Mar 04 23:04:39 <buzzinfly> am i right in thinking the default gpsd on a n810 is completely shagged?
Mar 04 23:04:46 <johnx> download and click on the file :)
Mar 04 23:04:47 <KotCzarny> nope
Mar 04 23:05:12 <KotCzarny> it's probably software fixable
Mar 04 23:05:18 <Klotz> thank you johnx
Mar 04 23:05:24 <johnx> KotCzarny, gpsd != gps :P
Mar 04 23:05:26 <KotCzarny> if someone happens to think of a way
Mar 04 23:05:41 <jku> buzzinfly, it's quite heavily patched but works pretty much as well/badly as on other systems IMHO
Mar 04 23:05:43 <johnx> buzzinfly, it apparently does some weird things
Mar 04 23:05:44 <KotCzarny> johnx: :)
Mar 04 23:05:59 <spirytusick> Klotz: http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ there are some bulds of xchat there, not very recent and I have not tested them yet
Mar 04 23:06:15 <johnx> me neither, but I've heard they work
Mar 04 23:06:17 <lcuk> i use that on my 810
Mar 04 23:06:23 <GeneralAntilles> They're fine.
Mar 04 23:06:41 <spirytusick> i use irssi on the tablet but its a question of preference
Mar 04 23:06:48 <lcuk> zeus server has been around a  while and GeneralAntilles has been spamming it for ages ;) if i didnt know better i would say he is on a commission
Mar 04 23:07:00 <GeneralAntilles> If only.
Mar 04 23:08:14 <buzzinfly> anyone heard of a djb's daemontools port for n810? or any arm for that matter
Mar 04 23:08:35 <GeneralAntilles> MyPaint has the annoying habit of connecting the dots when you start drawing in a new place. :\
Mar 04 23:08:53 <lcuk> how do i stop my 810 from entering power saving on the cpu?   - if i perform a really fast mem copy for every glyph it goes slow, but if i include an extra dummy operation it renders much quicker
Mar 04 23:09:12 <KotCzarny> lcuk: change cpufreq governor
Mar 04 23:09:29 <KotCzarny> cd /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/
Mar 04 23:09:33 <KotCzarny> and look aroung
Mar 04 23:09:34 <KotCzarny> around
Mar 04 23:09:35 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 04 23:09:41 <lcuk> thx :)
Mar 04 23:09:55 <johnx> buzzinfly, I wonder what is holding up an ARM port of those O_o
Mar 04 23:10:06 <lcuk> ive been pulling hair out wondering why code which IS fast has been going slow
Mar 04 23:10:09 <KotCzarny> you can set a min freq to a 400, but that will be bad for the battery
Mar 04 23:10:30 <GeneralAntilles> That's not a solution for release, though.
Mar 04 23:10:34 <lcuk> i just wanna know whether the algo is faster at the moment
Mar 04 23:10:39 <johnx> I think there's a way in code to request a certain frequency...
Mar 04 23:10:51 <johnx> or maybe only for the DSP
Mar 04 23:10:53 <KotCzarny> johnx: cpufreq :)
Mar 04 23:11:03 <johnx> KotCzarny, without being root
Mar 04 23:11:07 <KotCzarny> scaling_max_freq / scaling_min_freq
Mar 04 23:11:25 <johnx> KotCzarny, yeah :P I've only know about that for 3 years...
Mar 04 23:11:31 <lcuk> the goal is to get the fastest rendering algorythm, HOWEVER when it has no input and the display is static it will just fall into an xNextEvent waiting pattern and leave the static screen alone - cpu will drop back
Mar 04 23:11:57 <lcuk> so i want  to get the stuff on the screen as fast as possible but also want to then go as slow as possible
Mar 04 23:12:44 <KotCzarny> 'known'
Mar 04 23:12:47 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 04 23:12:53 <lcuk> i might just leave my dummy math function in it - it doesnt involve messing and keeps the cpu busy enough to not drop down
Mar 04 23:13:20 * lcuk will give it a silly hack comment :)
Mar 04 23:13:21 <KotCzarny> lcuk: dd </dev/urandom >/dev/null
Mar 04 23:13:23 <johnx> KotCzarny, now you get to wonder whether I mess up my grammar on porpoise just to get a reaction from you :D
Mar 04 23:13:28 <GeneralAntilles> Dude, Kot, nobody needs you to correct for them. :\
Mar 04 23:13:36 <KotCzarny> porpoise is a kind of turtle
Mar 04 23:13:37 <KotCzarny> afair
Mar 04 23:13:38 <KotCzarny> ;)
Mar 04 23:13:50 <KotCzarny> ga: but it's not for them, it's for me
Mar 04 23:13:55 <KotCzarny> i have photo-mem
Mar 04 23:14:09 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, he's just learned this stuff and he's showing off :D
Mar 04 23:14:12 <KotCzarny> if i see bad grammar i will start making mistakes sooner or later
Mar 04 23:14:17 <spirytusick> KotCzarny: Have you got a usb port ?:)
Mar 04 23:14:20 <KotCzarny> that's why i need to keep on my toes
Mar 04 23:14:24 <lcuk> whats the write cycle count on your memory KotCzarny
Mar 04 23:14:29 <GeneralAntilles> Photographic memory doesn't exist.
Mar 04 23:14:29 <KotCzarny> spirytus: o.o ?
Mar 04 23:14:43 <johnx> KotCzarny, photographic memory is the term you were looking for...
Mar 04 23:14:50 <spirytusick> KotCzarny: So you can download the stuff :) the photos... from memory you know :)
Mar 04 23:15:01 <KotCzarny> johnx: if you haven't noticed i shortened both words
Mar 04 23:15:05 <KotCzarny> i have
Mar 04 23:15:06 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 04 23:15:11 <KotCzarny> on 'porpoise'
Mar 04 23:15:12 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 04 23:15:17 <johnx> right, and I just 'shorten' my plural
Mar 04 23:15:24 <spirytusick> hehe usb-porpoise ...
Mar 04 23:15:53 <lcuk> you lot are a bunch of pedantec gits :P   (but you know a lot)
Mar 04 23:15:53 <KotCzarny> lcuk: depends on the tea level in my bloodstream
Mar 04 23:15:54 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 04 23:16:16 <KotCzarny> lcuk: that often comes in a one feature pack ;)
Mar 04 23:16:27 <spirytusick> KotCzarny: or rather your blood level in yout tea stream :)
Mar 04 23:16:35 <spirytusick> yout=your
Mar 04 23:17:11 <lcuk> oh geez, its contaiogus, cant anywon leave mistakes alone
Mar 04 23:17:16 <KotCzarny> :>
Mar 04 23:17:31 <spirytusick> I c*nt take it :)
Mar 04 23:17:50 <KotCzarny> wan't me to turn on my tEeN scReeEpt0r?
Mar 04 23:17:51 <KotCzarny> :P
Mar 04 23:17:52 <GeneralAntilles> Apparently not, lcuk.
Mar 04 23:18:48 <spirytusick> what if it was code ?
Mar 04 23:19:11 <KotCzarny> anyway, breakfast time
Mar 04 23:19:21 <KotCzarny> (now or never, again)
Mar 04 23:19:26 <lcuk> with code, at least a typo will be misspelt consistently
Mar 04 23:19:34 <KotCzarny> or not
Mar 04 23:19:35 <KotCzarny> ;)
Mar 04 23:19:44 <KotCzarny> that's why bugs are introduced
Mar 04 23:20:14 <lcuk> only if you have (a) very closely named variables introduced in a similar location by 2 devs
Mar 04 23:20:21 <spirytusick> KotCzarny: that and the fact that programmers want to keep their jobs :)
Mar 04 23:20:26 <lcuk> (b) you have an automatic allocating language
Mar 04 23:20:32 <KotCzarny> lcuk: murphy's law
Mar 04 23:20:33 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 04 23:20:52 <spirytusick> KotCzarny: microsoft would be already out of the business :) if they did not have all those bugs to fix :) all the jobs going...
Mar 04 23:21:45 <spirytusick> I am sure some bugs (or annoyances) are introduced on purpose.. as part of marketing strategy :)
Mar 04 23:22:11 <spirytusick> you can always release a new version in the future and charge for it... business is business
Mar 04 23:22:17 <KotCzarny> yes
Mar 04 23:22:21 <KotCzarny> 'delay loops'
Mar 04 23:22:23 <KotCzarny> ;)
Mar 04 23:22:33 <spirytusick> thats one example :)
Mar 04 23:24:03 <lamia> :)
Mar 04 23:24:11 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 04 23:24:17 <lamia> hehe
Mar 04 23:24:31 <KotCzarny> another (potential) n800 user
Mar 04 23:24:31 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 04 23:24:54 * lamia is getting n810
Mar 04 23:24:55 <lamia> :)
Mar 04 23:25:07 <KotCzarny> n810 is inferior to n800
Mar 04 23:25:07 <lamia> Keyboard is more efficient
Mar 04 23:25:08 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 04 23:25:16 <KotCzarny> you can get bluetooth one
Mar 04 23:25:19 <johnx> or usb
Mar 04 23:25:28 <KotCzarny> bluetooth is more convenient
Mar 04 23:25:36 <johnx> usb is cheap :D
Mar 04 23:25:54 <KotCzarny> usb dangling
Mar 04 23:25:56 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 04 23:26:33 <johnx> KotCzarny, works at the console for debugging other distros...but really, I can see why you would want an N810
Mar 04 23:26:42 <johnx> second part addressed to lamia
Mar 04 23:27:14 * spirytusick says goodnight... see you tommorow, this time for good :)
Mar 04 23:27:18 <KotCzarny> go go
Mar 04 23:27:27 <johnx> 'night spirytusick
Mar 04 23:27:42 <spirytusick> niech mocz bedzie z wami :)
Mar 04 23:27:48 <spirytusick> good night..
Mar 04 23:27:48 <lamia> lol
Mar 04 23:30:25 <lamia> johnx: Which nokia series do you use?
Mar 04 23:33:37 <johnx> lamia, n800
Mar 04 23:34:17 <lamia> johnx: How big is the bluetooth keyboard?
Mar 04 23:34:28 <johnx> I have a usb keyboard, actually
Mar 04 23:34:42 <lamia> johnx: How big is it?
Mar 04 23:34:42 <johnx> and there are lots of bluetooth keyboards available
Mar 04 23:34:44 <lcuk> i have an apple bluetooth one - and its tiny, but the keys feel massive
Mar 04 23:34:57 <johnx> lamia, let me find a link that shows it...
Mar 04 23:34:59 <KotCzarny> photos
Mar 04 23:35:01 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 04 23:35:14 <lcuk> its the same size totally as the main qwerty area on my regular keyboard
Mar 04 23:35:30 <lcuk> and VERY thin
Mar 04 23:35:43 <KotCzarny> i could use a wireless keyboard with a trackpoint
Mar 04 23:35:45 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 04 23:35:50 <KotCzarny> ibm had them
Mar 04 23:35:50 <lcuk> http://www.apple.com/keyboard/
Mar 04 23:35:52 <KotCzarny> but wired
Mar 04 23:35:55 <lamia> Hmmm, So i have to carry a keyboard plus a nokia? Ugh
Mar 04 23:36:00 <KotCzarny> lamia, nope
Mar 04 23:36:05 <KotCzarny> you can carry only nokia
Mar 04 23:36:09 <KotCzarny> if you're on the go
Mar 04 23:36:16 <lcuk> i have this for my 810 in house - out of the house i use the stowaway
Mar 04 23:36:17 <KotCzarny> there's onscreen keyboard too
Mar 04 23:36:42 <KotCzarny> and handwriting recognition
Mar 04 23:36:49 <johnx> lamia, if you think you'll use a keyboard while "on the go" just get an N810
Mar 04 23:37:00 <lcuk> i didnt even consider an onscreen - before the 810, it was just a glorified pda - now it feels like a regular computer - only smaller
Mar 04 23:37:10 <KotCzarny> yes
Mar 04 23:37:12 <KotCzarny> it is
Mar 04 23:37:17 <KotCzarny> it runs on debian
Mar 04 23:37:20 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 04 23:37:21 <johnx> HWR is not so great, and the onscreen keyboard is pretty good, but not good enough for chatting/IM
Mar 04 23:37:36 <johnx> it runs on something that resembles Debian in many ways...
Mar 04 23:37:48 <KotCzarny> if i'm on the go even phone (0-9) keypad was ok
Mar 04 23:37:57 <KotCzarny> for heavy use i use laptop anyway
Mar 04 23:38:28 * johnx has a crappy old P4 laptop that weights 10lbs O_o I do not want to carry that unless I need it...
Mar 04 23:38:42 * KotCzarny has nice, shiny ibm x32 (@ 3lbs)
Mar 04 23:38:44 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 04 23:39:00 <KotCzarny> 1.8 pentium-m
Mar 04 23:39:19 <KotCzarny> it's a size of a bigger book
Mar 04 23:39:29 <KotCzarny> and weight too
Mar 04 23:39:36 <johnx> I'll get one of the smaller thinkpads eventually. but for now I'm good enough with my N800
Mar 04 23:39:39 <lcuk> war and piece?
Mar 04 23:39:45 <lcuk> ;)
Mar 04 23:39:46 <KotCzarny> smaller
Mar 04 23:39:49 <KotCzarny> than that
Mar 04 23:39:49 <KotCzarny> ;)
Mar 04 23:39:59 <KotCzarny> more like discworld novel :)
Mar 04 23:40:00 <johnx> oxford unabridged dictionary?
Mar 04 23:40:55 * johnx threw out the box his keyboard came in and now he can't remember what brand/model it was...
Mar 04 23:41:02 <GeneralAntilles> OED, you mean, johnx? :P
Mar 04 23:41:14 <johnx> that would be it :D
Mar 04 23:41:21 <KotCzarny> hmm
Mar 04 23:41:30 <KotCzarny> check with hcitool ?
Mar 04 23:41:33 <GeneralAntilles> Random House makes an "Unabridged". :P
Mar 04 23:41:36 <KotCzarny> or lsusb
Mar 04 23:41:37 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 04 23:41:43 <lcuk> or just look at the sticker on the base
Mar 04 23:41:44 <johnx> KotCzarny, good idea :D
Mar 04 23:41:48 <johnx> lcuk, no stickers
Mar 04 23:41:53 <KotCzarny> that can work too
Mar 04 23:41:55 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 04 23:41:56 <johnx> just an "FCC pass" and don't use in water
Mar 04 23:42:05 <lcuk> well its not FCC compliant - UNPLUG IT NOW!!!!!
Mar 04 23:42:13 <KotCzarny> you can search by fcc too
Mar 04 23:42:14 <EvilGuru> Can anyone recommend any (FOSS) SIP/IAX VoIP clients that run on maemo
Mar 04 23:42:16 <lcuk> damn - so it has something
Mar 04 23:42:32 <GeneralAntilles> rtcomm, EvilGuru? <_<
Mar 04 23:42:36 <johnx> alright...I have a name at least
Mar 04 23:42:43 <KotCzarny> lcuk: is your body fcc compliant?
Mar 04 23:42:44 <KotCzarny> :>
Mar 04 23:42:58 <lcuk> no, the tattoo rubbed off in the bath
Mar 04 23:43:01 <KotCzarny> johnx: google usb id
Mar 04 23:43:06 <KotCzarny> :>
Mar 04 23:43:07 <drjnut-mobile> xchat rulez on n810!
Mar 04 23:43:18 <lcuk> drjnut, it does
Mar 04 23:43:30 <KotCzarny> lcuk: you may be not allowed to interact with electrical appliances anymore
Mar 04 23:43:46 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 04 23:43:52 <lcuk> awww, but my mum was making me a spandex magneto costume :(
Mar 04 23:44:36 <ds3> is the LCD on the 810 is electrically and physically (dimension wise) the same as the 800's? having an 800 readable in a sunlight when used in a car seems like a good thing
Mar 04 23:44:41 <KotCzarny> yes
Mar 04 23:44:45 <KotCzarny> i guess
Mar 04 23:44:48 <lcuk> how long would it take to boot linux on a computer built with an abacus?
Mar 04 23:45:01 <KotCzarny> but maybe not exactly the same
Mar 04 23:45:02 <johnx> ds3, are the screens *exactly* the same size?
Mar 04 23:45:05 <johnx> I wasn't sure...
Mar 04 23:45:16 <ds3> johnx: I donno, I don't have physical access to an 810
Mar 04 23:45:24 <EvilGuru> GeneralAntilles: http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org/ I presume?
Mar 04 23:45:30 <johnx> I seem to remember them being different
Mar 04 23:45:35 <GeneralAntilles> It's included by default with OS2008.
Mar 04 23:45:43 <ds3> I used maemo mapper on a trip this weekend and the LCD + sun is really annoying
Mar 04 23:45:57 <KotCzarny> 800 × 480 resolution, 4.1 in diagonal, 225 pixels/in, 65536 colors (16-bit)
Mar 04 23:45:58 <lcuk> ds3, 800 or 810?
Mar 04 23:46:01 <KotCzarny> that's n800
Mar 04 23:46:02 <ds3> lcuk: 800
Mar 04 23:46:10 <drjnut-mobile> lcuk, on an abacus made of neutrons?
Mar 04 23:46:18 <ds3> I _NEED_ the dual full size slots
Mar 04 23:46:28 <KotCzarny> wikipedia lists the same data for n810
Mar 04 23:46:29 <lcuk> i havent taken my 810 out recently after my missus had bad starts with the gps not locking
Mar 04 23:46:35 <GeneralAntilles> The N810 screen is maybe 1 or 2mm smaller.
Mar 04 23:46:39 <lcuk> im actually very frustrated about that
Mar 04 23:46:45 <Tester_> GeneralAntilles: its the exact same lcd
Mar 04 23:46:52 <GeneralAntilles> It isn't.
Mar 04 23:47:02 <ds3> Tester_: it can't be the exact same LCD... the 810 is suppose to be transreflective
Mar 04 23:47:09 <EvilGuru> I read it was slightly smaller (810)
Mar 04 23:47:19 <GeneralAntilles> Different connectors, too.
Mar 04 23:47:20 <lcdd> n810's screen is readable in sunlight
Mar 04 23:47:35 <Tester_> is it supposed to be ?
Mar 04 23:47:49 <KotCzarny> maybe it just has shiny surface behind
Mar 04 23:47:51 <KotCzarny> :>
Mar 04 23:47:51 <lcuk> yes - its a selling point apparantly
Mar 04 23:47:52 <GeneralAntilles> The same? No.
Mar 04 23:48:02 <ds3> oh bah
Mar 04 23:48:10 <GeneralAntilles> N810's screen is marginally smaller and transflective.
Mar 04 23:48:13 <ds3> so much for a simple transplant of LCDs
Mar 04 23:48:25 <GeneralAntilles> ds3, the connectors are different, anyway.
Mar 04 23:48:26 <ds3> i am not fabricating flexcable adapters :(
Mar 04 23:48:28 * KotCzarny has to see n810 yet
Mar 04 23:48:37 * EvilGuru just got his
Mar 04 23:49:13 <lcuk> i dont like the curvyness of 800, i couldnt have made a cradle with it as easily
Mar 04 23:49:29 <ds3> making a cradle for the 800 is the easy part
Mar 04 23:49:34 <KotCzarny> lcuk: clamp it?
Mar 04 23:49:34 <ds3> i hacked one up in about an hour
Mar 04 23:49:35 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 04 23:49:51 <lcuk> no, i do need it to come out occasionally
Mar 04 23:50:09 <KotCzarny> flexiclamp then
Mar 04 23:50:16 <ds3> held it well enough to withstand minor off roading and it slips out and comes with me whenever I go somewhere
Mar 04 23:52:59 <lcuk> different purpose - housebound, not car
Mar 04 23:53:16 <ds3> lcuk: what would the cradle be fore?
Mar 04 23:53:18 <ds3> for
Mar 04 23:53:25 <johnx> ok, finding a brand for this will actually be pretty difficult...wish I kept the box O_o
Mar 04 23:53:32 <lcuk> i didnt want something to hold it, i wanted something to hold the 810 with
Mar 04 23:53:57 <KotCzarny> velcro?
Mar 04 23:53:58 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 04 23:54:00 <lcuk> it was uncomfotable to grip and use so i now have something big enough
Mar 04 23:54:03 <ds3> so something to give it a larger area like a clipboard with the N800 on it?
Mar 04 23:54:33 <KotCzarny> that way you can even stick it to your arm
Mar 04 23:54:33 <lcuk> http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/7308/810crateinkx8.jpg
Mar 04 23:55:16 <KotCzarny> keyboard looks inaccessible this way
Mar 04 23:55:24 <lcuk> my arm rests at same place as the screen - drawing on it now is like drawing on paper
Mar 04 23:55:30 <ds3> that's easy to do for the N800... a hour or two on a CNC mill with a slab of aluminum :)
Mar 04 23:55:55 <lcuk> and say bye bye to lying naked in bed with a cold lump of metal
Mar 04 23:56:11 <KotCzarny> 'cold' ?
Mar 04 23:56:12 <KotCzarny> ;)
Mar 04 23:56:13 <ds3> then cast one out of the castable epoxy stuff
Mar 04 23:56:19 <lcuk> wood did the job..
Mar 04 23:56:43 <ds3> regardless, that is a simple operation on a CNC mill :)
Mar 04 23:57:02 <lcuk> not if (a) you've never done woodwork, (b) not got access to a cnc
Mar 04 23:57:14 <ds3> :)
Mar 04 23:57:32 <lcuk> im surprised i had any fingers left after the mkI - i attempted it with the chisel
Mar 04 23:57:37 <KotCzarny> :>
Mar 04 23:57:52 <lcuk> it gave me enough to confirm it worked
Mar 04 23:57:53 <ds3> a plunge router should make quick work of it
Mar 04 23:57:55 <lcuk> so i got a router on it
Mar 04 23:57:57 <lcuk> ...
Mar 04 23:58:25 <lcuk> ive never done anything like this before but knew it couldnt be that hard
Mar 04 23:58:27 <ds3> very nice, btw
Mar 04 23:58:43 <ds3> I would add slots to support a USB thumb drive on the side
Mar 04 23:58:48 <lcuk> http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/1256/810crateemptyhm3.jpg
Mar 04 23:58:59 <lcuk> cant use the usb without removing the stand
Mar 04 23:59:08 <lcuk> ive added a slot tho for power lead
Mar 04 23:59:14 <ds3> oh
Mar 04 23:59:30 <lcuk> thats why i ended up getting a wireless kb
Mar 04 23:59:37 <KotCzarny> hehe
Mar 04 23:59:37 <ds3> that was one nice thing about the 770
Mar 04 23:59:43 <KotCzarny> having n810 and wireless kb
Mar 04 23:59:44 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 04 23:59:50 <lcuk> lol
Mar 05 00:00:00 <lcuk> its great for in the house i can code and xchat and stuff
Mar 05 00:00:14 <lcuk> but then when its out im not worried that i have to take anything
Mar 05 00:00:34 <KotCzarny> me neither
Mar 05 00:00:35 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 00:00:35 <lcuk> plus, the keyboard open on the side is perfect for book reader extras
Mar 05 00:01:32 <lcuk> i have space and return and the dpad setup for thumb reading and lie in bed reading for hours without barely having to lift a finger :)
Mar 05 00:01:50 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, I do that with my N800, too. :P
Mar 05 00:01:53 <GeneralAntilles> Right out of the box.
Mar 05 00:02:07 <lcuk> but i couldnt hold my 810 at night
Mar 05 00:02:25 <GeneralAntilles> That's what the stand is for.
Mar 05 00:02:28 <lcuk> its not good for extensive gripping, theres nowhere comfy to rest
Mar 05 00:02:30 <KotCzarny> why dpad..
Mar 05 00:02:38 <KotCzarny> it has touchscreen for something
Mar 05 00:02:38 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 00:02:45 <lcuk> lying on back with it held above chest
Mar 05 00:02:51 <ds3> lcuk: is that 1/2" or 3/4" board?
Mar 05 00:03:04 * GeneralAntilles lies on his side.
Mar 05 00:03:05 <lcuk> my old pda would slot between my knuckles and rest there - this kept falling out cos it was slippy
Mar 05 00:03:24 <ds3> or just get a C3200 Z ;)
Mar 05 00:03:33 <lcuk> dunno, lemme find my ruler
Mar 05 00:03:40 <KotCzarny> reading in bed is bad for your eyes, anyway
Mar 05 00:04:05 <GeneralAntilles> Pfft
Mar 05 00:04:12 <GeneralAntilles> Bad for your sleeping habits, maybe.
Mar 05 00:04:14 <lcuk> black paper, dark grey text
Mar 05 00:04:20 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 00:04:20 <GeneralAntilles> Using your eyes wont damage them.
Mar 05 00:04:27 <KotCzarny> it will
Mar 05 00:04:30 <KotCzarny> trust me
Mar 05 00:04:47 <KotCzarny> but that's the price of life
Mar 05 00:04:47 <johnx> which is why you should always leave them closed...
Mar 05 00:05:17 <lcuk> 1.8m18mm   (0.7ins)
Mar 05 00:05:32 <lcuk> -1.8m ;)
Mar 05 00:06:13 <GeneralAntilles> Kot, what you do optometry on the side?
Mar 05 00:06:14 <lcuk> i used to read audiobooks
Mar 05 00:06:18 <lamia> An object like a book or something small should be 10 inches away from your eyes so you don't damage them.
Mar 05 00:06:23 <KotCzarny> yawn
Mar 05 00:06:23 <lcuk> but they were too small
Mar 05 00:06:29 <lcuk> i have reader at arms length
Mar 05 00:06:35 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 00:07:20 <GeneralAntilles> Again, you can't damage your eyes using them.
Mar 05 00:07:28 <KotCzarny> ga: not true
Mar 05 00:07:43 <lcuk> http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/8233/810crateanglexe7.jpg
Mar 05 00:07:48 <KotCzarny> and you have glasses too
Mar 05 00:07:50 <KotCzarny> :>
Mar 05 00:07:59 <GeneralAntilles> I've always had bad vision.
Mar 05 00:08:06 <KotCzarny> yeah, always
Mar 05 00:08:14 <KotCzarny> it's an excuse for 'starting early'
Mar 05 00:08:16 <lcuk> he had to squint to read his first nokia
Mar 05 00:08:39 <GeneralAntilles> Reading may cause eye strain, but eye strain is temporary, it doesn't damage your vision. <_<
Mar 05 00:08:57 <KotCzarny> extended eye strain damages eyes
Mar 05 00:09:06 <KotCzarny> it's like hunching
Mar 05 00:09:15 <lamia> I have been watching cartoons in front of the TV since i was like 5, i have perfect 20/20 vision....eat carrots and fish!
Mar 05 00:09:17 <KotCzarny> too much, and you have bad posture for life
Mar 05 00:09:33 <KotCzarny> cartoons != books
Mar 05 00:10:44 <GeneralAntilles> http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/04/health/04real.html
Mar 05 00:11:02 <KotCzarny> yesh.. nytimes is a good source of wisdom
Mar 05 00:11:03 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 00:11:09 <ds3> so about 3/4 stock
Mar 05 00:11:40 <GeneralAntilles> http://www.clevelandclinic.org/health/health-info/docs/2000/2080.asp?index=8562
Mar 05 00:12:01 <KotCzarny> btw. parasites can damage your sight too
Mar 05 00:12:04 <KotCzarny> did you know that?
Mar 05 00:12:16 <KotCzarny> and not only sight..
Mar 05 00:12:27 <lcuk> reading with dry eyesyer ds3
Mar 05 00:12:39 <lcuk> feck must learn to clear before retyping
Mar 05 00:12:46 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 00:12:48 <ds3> hmmm what changed all of a sudden in media player
Mar 05 00:12:52 <GeneralAntilles> http://www.youreyedoctors.com/LMAvisionmyths.html
Mar 05 00:13:05 <KotCzarny> ga: myths come and go
Mar 05 00:13:07 <ds3> last week media player with a shoutcast stream was updating the metadata; this week it is not
Mar 05 00:13:22 <KotCzarny> there's always cause and effect
Mar 05 00:14:04 <KotCzarny> ds3: on every stream or just your favourite?
Mar 05 00:14:14 <ds3> KotCzarny: just my favorite
Mar 05 00:14:25 <KotCzarny> then it may be it
Mar 05 00:14:28 <ds3> it updates if I goto another screen and come back
Mar 05 00:14:29 <GeneralAntilles> KotCzarny, don't spread BS around. It's irritating.
Mar 05 00:14:34 <ds3> just not as the songs change
Mar 05 00:15:15 <KotCzarny> ga: sure, and pretending to be right on everything is stuck-up attitude
Mar 05 00:15:25 <johnx> ok guys, you both win. take it to #opthamologist-debates
Mar 05 00:15:38 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 00:16:05 <KotCzarny> in 19th century science pretended to be satisfied and complete
Mar 05 00:16:14 <KotCzarny> and what happened?
Mar 05 00:16:18 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 00:16:21 <johnx> they smoked opium?
Mar 05 00:16:30 <KotCzarny> and drank absinth
Mar 05 00:17:04 <johnx> and their computers sucked :/
Mar 05 00:17:11 <ds3> so.... something more on topic... anyone has the free parts of the maemo running on a x86 MID platform (i.e. wibrain or the samsungs)?
Mar 05 00:17:33 * KotCzarny is new to meamo, still
Mar 05 00:17:36 <johnx> ds3, nope, but I'm working on it for the zaurus
Mar 05 00:17:54 <ds3> johnx: for collie? <VBG>
Mar 05 00:18:02 <johnx> nah...akita
Mar 05 00:18:18 <johnx> 320x240 is just not enough...640x480 is more doable I think
Mar 05 00:18:22 <ds3> i need something useful to do with the collie
Mar 05 00:18:27 <johnx> me too :/
Mar 05 00:18:38 <johnx> I'm thinking web server
Mar 05 00:18:48 <ds3> if someone could get the base going, then I could put maemo mapper on it
Mar 05 00:19:00 <johnx> maemo mapper on a collie?
Mar 05 00:19:04 <ds3> sure
Mar 05 00:19:06 <johnx> that would be kind neat
Mar 05 00:19:16 <johnx> there's already a maemo-mapper nohildon in angstrom
Mar 05 00:19:27 <johnx> just need x server and libgtk2 for that
Mar 05 00:19:35 <johnx> (and some other minor libs)
Mar 05 00:19:35 <ds3> it is mostly comparable to the 770 but with a bit more IO and absolutely no SDIO
Mar 05 00:19:57 <ds3> does PM on angstrom work properly on collie?
Mar 05 00:20:06 * johnx sighs
Mar 05 00:20:15 <johnx> actually angstrom won't boot on collie right now...
Mar 05 00:20:23 <ds3> the PM problems is what kept me off OpenZ
Mar 05 00:20:32 <johnx> the latest openzaurus works fine
Mar 05 00:20:39 <ds3> with PM? :)
Mar 05 00:20:42 <johnx> you could backport maemo mapper to openzaurus without many problems I think
Mar 05 00:20:47 <johnx> ds3, yes IIRC
Mar 05 00:20:52 <ds3> hmm
Mar 05 00:20:54 <johnx> it's been a long time
Mar 05 00:21:06 <johnx> and my collie is kinda messed up
Mar 05 00:21:13 <ds3> the last time i tried it, resume is was broken :(
Mar 05 00:21:32 <johnx> well it works under 2.6 I think...but a lot of other things don't :)
Mar 05 00:21:46 <ds3> oh
Mar 05 00:21:53 <johnx> actually...no it probably doesn't work under the 2.6 that's available now
Mar 05 00:22:09 <ds3> seems SA support is fading
Mar 05 00:22:15 <johnx> ds3, yeah
Mar 05 00:22:24 <bucky1> anyone have an n810 thats insides jiggle a little when you shake it?
Mar 05 00:22:25 <johnx> it doesn't help that it falls below the EABI cutoff
Mar 05 00:22:39 <ds3> EABI don't work on ARMv4?
Mar 05 00:22:54 <johnx> not strongarm...it can work on armv4t I *think*
Mar 05 00:23:05 <ds3> SA is basically a ARMv4, IIRC
Mar 05 00:23:24 <ds3> oh T hmmm
Mar 05 00:23:25 <johnx> that sounds right...but it has no "t" and apparently the t is important
Mar 05 00:23:39 <johnx> I'm just going by what it says on the debian eabi wiki
Mar 05 00:23:41 <ds3> not sure why thumb is needed for EABI though... *shrug*
Mar 05 00:23:44 * johnx is not a libc/gcc hacker
Mar 05 00:24:41 <ds3> ah it is a GCC problem, not really a EABI issue
Mar 05 00:25:41 <johnx> stretching my understanding here...but I think there is a way to work around missing features in gcc/libc to get EABI on strongarm but no one has done it, and it would likely cause a slowdown for later arm architectures
Mar 05 00:26:06 <ds3> this should be hack-around-able in the kernel by trapping the bad instructions (i.e. the bx to thumb)
Mar 05 00:26:26 <johnx> wouldn't that be ungodly slow? (like "hardfloat")
Mar 05 00:26:33 <ds3> don't think so
Mar 05 00:26:48 <ds3> ah nevermind
Mar 05 00:26:58 <ds3> nix that, the EABI does call out thumb support :(
Mar 05 00:27:23 <johnx> http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort has the info that I'm referencing
Mar 05 00:27:23 <ds3> <-- reading the debian wiki backwards from bottom up
Mar 05 00:27:28 <johnx> ah, ok
Mar 05 00:27:32 <ds3> yep, same page here but I was reading it backwards
Mar 05 00:27:47 <KotCzarny> o.O
Mar 05 00:27:50 <ds3> thought the issue was gcc emitting the bx instruction; that itself can be fixed but if EABI calls out thumb, that's a bigger problem
Mar 05 00:28:38 <ds3> i suppose the kernel can be mod'ed to segill on any real thumb instructions other then bx (set T bit in CPSR)
Mar 05 00:28:48 <ds3> that way it can sort of run EABI stuff
Mar 05 00:29:25 <ds3> basically option 6
Mar 05 00:29:34 <ds3> but not as extensive
Mar 05 00:29:39 <johnx> but while everyone is talking about this armv5te is becoming the new "best bang for your buck" arm version...
Mar 05 00:30:20 <ds3> in terms of silicon prices or performance?
Mar 05 00:30:51 <johnx> even in terms of availability...
Mar 05 00:31:01 <johnx> how much consumer accessible strongarm stuff is still sold?
Mar 05 00:31:12 <ds3> sold? heheh
Mar 05 00:31:18 <ds3> seeing how it is 3 companies old
Mar 05 00:58:43 <KotCzarny> http://www.atarimuseum.com/computers/pccomputers/portfolio.html
Mar 05 00:58:44 <KotCzarny> :>
Mar 05 01:20:35 <texel> Where does Xomap read it's configuration file from?
Mar 05 01:20:40 <texel> Or does it just assume defaults?
Mar 05 01:20:49 <johnx> it takes some command line arguments
Mar 05 01:21:08 <johnx> look in /etc/init.d/x-server
Mar 05 01:21:08 <texel> Right, I saw that in the /etc/init.d/x-server script, but those don't specify things like xkb keyboard types.
Mar 05 01:21:23 <texel> Specifically, I'm looking for an xorg.conf-like file somewhere.
Mar 05 01:21:30 <johnx> I don't think there is one :/
Mar 05 01:21:33 * texel is hacking on the XKB config settings
Mar 05 01:21:35 <texel> Greh.
Mar 05 01:21:43 <johnx> it pulls some keyboard info out of hal I think
Mar 05 01:21:49 <texel> Ahh.
Mar 05 01:21:51 <texel> That makes sense.
Mar 05 01:22:10 * johnx had a fight with it to make it behave in Debian/N800
Mar 05 01:22:25 <texel> Debian/N800? O.o
Mar 05 01:23:03 <johnx> I'm just trying to make Debian work a little better on the N800
Mar 05 01:23:14 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 01:23:24 <texel> Ahh. Coolio.
Mar 05 01:23:33 <texel> I, too, have a Debian chroot on my external SD.
Mar 05 01:23:35 <texel> Comes in handy.
Mar 05 01:23:45 <johnx> I can boot Debian off of SD :)
Mar 05 01:23:51 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 01:23:53 <texel> Though I imagine you're using a fully booting environment. =o)
Mar 05 01:23:58 <johnx> yup
Mar 05 01:24:07 <johnx> everything but sound and some power saving stuff
Mar 05 01:24:38 <KotCzarny> huh
Mar 05 01:24:39 * texel just saw your ITT post about it.
Mar 05 01:24:44 <KotCzarny> power sacing is a must
Mar 05 01:24:48 <KotCzarny> saving
Mar 05 01:24:49 <ds3> johnx: including wifi?
Mar 05 01:25:01 <johnx> ds3 of course :)
Mar 05 01:25:12 <johnx> w/ wpa even :D
Mar 05 01:25:14 <ds3> johnx: you are using the Nokia kernel modules?
Mar 05 01:25:27 <ds3> or you got the freemac stuff working with it?
Mar 05 01:25:41 <johnx> there's a patched wifi module to enable some basic wext 18 support
Mar 05 01:25:51 <texel> Actually, that brings up an interesting question, I'd like to ask.
Mar 05 01:26:05 <texel> johnx: have you had issues installing emacs22 in Debian armel?
Mar 05 01:26:19 <ds3> that still limits you; i.e you can't just put in 2.6.24 w/o nokia's help
Mar 05 01:26:20 <johnx> I haven't tried
Mar 05 01:26:40 * texel nods
Mar 05 01:26:54 <johnx> ds3, it is limiting, but I'm working on things I can actually accomplish...I'm not up to kernel hacking yet
Mar 05 01:27:14 <johnx> texel, want me to try it?
Mar 05 01:27:24 <texel> johnx: feel free. =o)
Mar 05 01:27:40 <texel> My install is complaining that the package depends on an older distro version of libungif, IIRC.
Mar 05 01:27:42 <ds3> heh
Mar 05 01:27:46 <texel> Which, weirdly, isn't in the repo.
Mar 05 01:27:51 <johnx> aah...hmm
Mar 05 01:28:05 <ds3> what would be really nice is 2.6.21 or 2.6.24 on the 770 w/WiFi + BT working
Mar 05 01:28:19 <texel> Ie: wants libungif1.x-3, but only has libungif1.x-4
Mar 05 01:29:58 <johnx> texel, do you have enough space to compile the older version from source?
Mar 05 01:30:35 <texel> Mm. I was looking into that, actually, but gave up and decided to compile especially for Maemo.
Mar 05 01:30:51 <texel> I figured a nice, Hildonized version of Emacs would be much better.
Mar 05 01:31:00 <livinded> ewwwww
Mar 05 01:31:00 <rm_you> AHHHHHH
Mar 05 01:31:04 <rm_you> BLASHPHEMER
Mar 05 01:31:13 * rm_you smacks texel with the Vible
Mar 05 01:31:20 <johnx> ahaha
Mar 05 01:31:23 <texel> Heh
Mar 05 01:31:26 <livinded> the Vible?
Mar 05 01:31:31 <texel> vi
Mar 05 01:31:34 <KotCzarny> :>
Mar 05 01:31:40 <texel> TBH, I use vim quite often as well.
Mar 05 01:31:44 <texel> I just prefer emacs for code.
Mar 05 01:32:02 <johnx> you're all unbelievers. There is only one true echo(1)...
Mar 05 01:32:04 * texel is a systems administrator
Mar 05 01:32:08 <texel> Heh
Mar 05 01:32:12 <KotCzarny> mcedit
Mar 05 01:32:13 <KotCzarny> ;)
Mar 05 01:32:14 <ds3> nvi or cat... no vim :P
Mar 05 01:32:17 <texel> COPY CON: > FILENAME.TXT
Mar 05 01:32:21 <texel> Err...
Mar 05 01:32:25 <texel> COPY CON: FILENAME.TXT
Mar 05 01:33:09 * johnx never got the hang of all that DOS weirdness
Mar 05 01:33:18 <texel> johnx: Anyway, I was just curious if you were hitting the same issue at all.
Mar 05 01:33:25 <johnx> I'll test it
Mar 05 01:33:37 * texel was hoping it was just something having to do with the way I installed the chroot
Mar 05 01:33:38 <johnx> the package is just 'emacs22'
Mar 05 01:33:39 <johnx> ?
Mar 05 01:33:43 <texel> Yep.
Mar 05 01:33:55 <texel> Thanks, johnx.
Mar 05 01:33:58 <johnx> nope
Mar 05 01:34:02 <johnx> wants libungif
Mar 05 01:34:19 <texel> Mm. Okay, so then it's Debian armel's repo being insane, then.
Mar 05 01:34:22 <texel> Weird.
Mar 05 01:34:22 <johnx> emacs22: Depends: libungif (>= 4.1.4)
Mar 05 01:34:27 * texel nods
Mar 05 01:34:36 <johnx> I've seen similar things
Mar 05 01:34:38 <texel> Which actually is in the repo, but it's looking for an older distro-version.
Mar 05 01:34:41 <johnx> network manager had issues as well
Mar 05 01:34:52 <texel> If you chase the depends tree, you'll see the weirdness.
Mar 05 01:34:53 * texel shrugs
Mar 05 01:35:34 <johnx> I wish network manager actually worked :/ I think the wext patches to cx3110x aren't quite enough to satisfy network manager
Mar 05 01:35:58 <texel> Guess I get to go insane hacking on emacs gtk interface. =op
Mar 05 01:36:01 <ds3> i wish the network management were more sane
Mar 05 01:36:16 <ds3> #@!$@!#!@!@#$ network management ignores bluetooth settings :(
Mar 05 01:36:20 * texel wishes networkmanager didn't use gnome-keychain for storage of network keys
Mar 05 01:36:54 <johnx> I think Nokia suffers from some NIH syndrome :/
Mar 05 01:36:55 <texel> Or at least that gnome-keychain was rewritten to store keychain data securely.
Mar 05 01:37:03 <texel> johnx: how so? O.o
Mar 05 01:37:18 <ds3> NIH syndrome?
Mar 05 01:37:23 <johnx> not invented here
Mar 05 01:37:27 <texel> ds3: Not Invented Here syndrome.
Mar 05 01:37:28 <ds3> ah
Mar 05 01:37:39 * texel heads out for a snack
Mar 05 01:37:40 <ds3> was thinking National Institue of Health :/
Mar 05 01:37:43 <texel> Thanks for the help guys. =o)
Mar 05 01:37:44 <johnx> dsme/bme? wlancond?
Mar 05 01:38:14 <KotCzarny> :>
Mar 05 01:39:03 <ds3> i just wish the network management could be a lot more configurable and consistant. don't care where it comes from
Mar 05 01:39:53 <AlphaLux> more configurable in what way?
Mar 05 01:40:09 <ds3> do you want my entire wish list or just the answer to that q?
Mar 05 01:40:17 <KotCzarny> :>
Mar 05 01:40:36 <AlphaLux> let us go for the succinct answer :)
Mar 05 01:41:29 <ds3> to start with - priority in the network profile so if there are multiple WiFi networks; I can say try this one first hten the next one; ability to disable a profile
Mar 05 01:41:36 <ds3> that's 2 to start with; I got more
Mar 05 01:42:38 <AlphaLux> ah, yeah some type of priority setting would be nice
Mar 05 01:43:01 <ds3> an example is i was out of coverage for my carrier for the entire time; I do not want it to automatically connecto to the phone and attempt to dial out
Mar 05 01:43:06 <rm_you> GeneralAntilles: :P
Mar 05 01:43:14 <GeneralAntilles> Stupid Comcast.
Mar 05 01:43:17 <rm_you> lol
Mar 05 01:43:28 <ds3> right now the only way I can do that is to tell it I don't have a phone; disabling bluetooth is ignored for network purposes but enabled for things like a GPS :(
Mar 05 01:43:39 <AlphaLux> general, how's your bittorent working? :)
Mar 05 01:43:45 <ds3> and yes, this need did arise this past weekend
Mar 05 01:43:52 <GeneralAntilles> :P
Mar 05 01:46:41 <errordeveloper> hi ..
Mar 05 01:47:21 <GeneralAntilles> rm_you, have you decided to work on my cool project yet? :P
Mar 05 01:47:22 <errordeveloper> i cannot activate the 'red pill' mode on my n800 .. :(
Mar 05 01:47:32 <GeneralAntilles> Why do you need it, errordeveloper?
Mar 05 01:48:09 <KotCzarny> ed: how do you do it?
Mar 05 01:48:26 <ds3> mayheim and confusion is always good ;)
Mar 05 01:48:50 <Deformative> Is there a webkit for the nokia 770?
Mar 05 01:49:29 <alp> Deformative: yeah, you need a patch to build against GTK+ 2.6 though
Mar 05 01:49:47 <Deformative> Is there a deb for it anywhere?
Mar 05 01:49:58 <alp> don't think so
Mar 05 01:51:27 <Deformative> Sigh.
Mar 05 01:51:37 <Deformative> Is there a faster pdf reader?
Mar 05 01:52:00 <johnx> are you on OS2006 or OS2007HE?
Mar 05 01:52:20 <Deformative> 2006
Mar 05 01:52:24 <johnx> hmm
Mar 05 01:52:41 <johnx> look for evince...I know it's available for OS2007 but I have no idea about OS2006
Mar 05 01:52:48 <Deformative> Everything on 2006 is rather slow.
Mar 05 01:52:59 <GeneralAntilles> The 770 is slow.
Mar 05 01:53:09 <Deformative> The processor is hardly slow.
Mar 05 01:53:16 <Deformative> The only real limitation is the ram.
Mar 05 01:53:27 <johnx> well the processor isn't exactly fast...
Mar 05 01:53:33 <Navi> It's pretty slow
Mar 05 01:53:46 <KotCzarny> :>
Mar 05 01:53:46 <Navi> Add some swap to help with the ram limitation
Mar 05 01:54:05 <Deformative> The processor is prolly comparable with the computer I am on at the moment.
Mar 05 01:54:11 <Deformative> 600 ghz powerpc.
Mar 05 01:54:21 <johnx> probably not
Mar 05 01:54:33 <ds3> OMAP1710 @ 200MHz ish is a tad bit slower
Mar 05 01:54:42 <Navi> I don't see how a 200mhz ARM can compare to a 600ghz PPC
Mar 05 01:54:42 <KotCzarny> 600ghz?
Mar 05 01:54:45 <johnx> more comparable to a Pentium 233 with it's FPU disabled
Mar 05 01:54:46 <KotCzarny> now that's
Mar 05 01:54:48 <KotCzarny> fast
Mar 05 01:54:48 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 01:54:49 <Deformative> mhz*
Mar 05 01:55:02 <Deformative> Oh, really, I thought it was 400mhz
Mar 05 01:55:02 <ds3> johnx: the FPU can be enabled. it does have a DSP afterall
Mar 05 01:55:10 <rm_you> GeneralAntilles: I still don't see the point >_>
Mar 05 01:55:17 <KotCzarny> n800 has 400mhz cpu
Mar 05 01:55:26 <Deformative> Ah, my mistake.
Mar 05 01:55:26 <johnx> ds3 I thought it was missing the VFP?
Mar 05 01:55:29 <Deformative> Then yes, it is slow.
Mar 05 01:55:45 <ds3> johnx: yes it is missing VFP but has the second DSP core
Mar 05 01:56:02 <johnx> ah...but maemo doesn't use it?
Mar 05 01:56:08 <ds3> no no
Mar 05 01:56:24 <ds3> there is no DSP on the Pentium
Mar 05 01:56:30 <ds3> so each has its own advantages
Mar 05 01:56:36 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 01:56:49 <johnx> "and this chip enables faster than light travel...but it isn't enabled..."
Mar 05 01:56:50 <rm_you> GeneralAntilles: do some research for me about icon theming :P
Mar 05 01:57:23 <Deformative> Hmm, I wonder if I should get the next generation of nokia tablet or a ps3. :D
Mar 05 01:57:47 <ds3> get both :)
Mar 05 01:57:56 <Deformative> Nah, too expensive.
Mar 05 01:58:07 <Tama^2> rm_you, good I see you are using GA too ;)
Mar 05 01:58:29 <KotCzarny> ps2 isn't portable
Mar 05 01:58:30 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 01:58:33 <KotCzarny> erm. ps3
Mar 05 01:58:46 <rm_you> ^_^
Mar 05 02:04:34 <^Jsn^> how do you download the satellite images from maeomapper?
Mar 05 02:05:48 <KotCzarny> just switch to satellite db
Mar 05 02:10:26 <Tama^2> >.>>
Mar 05 02:10:34 <KotCzarny> yeah
Mar 05 02:10:36 <KotCzarny> 'irc'
Mar 05 02:29:36 <dospod> haha wow net split
Mar 05 02:30:08 <KotCzarny> life
Mar 05 02:30:57 <GeneralAntilles> Epic split
Mar 05 02:31:00 <GeneralAntilles> Hub went down.
Mar 05 02:31:06 <KotCzarny> life.
Mar 05 02:31:29 * KotCzarny continues n800 discharge test
Mar 05 02:45:07 <KotCzarny> hmm
Mar 05 02:45:43 <KotCzarny> rough estimated standby time 130-155h
**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Mar 05 02:48:45 2008
Mar 05 03:12:59 <plb> where can i get irssi or xchat for n800 os2008?
Mar 05 03:14:17 <doc|home> garage.maemo.org although I tried to start irssi yesterday after installing it and it wouldn't work :/
Mar 05 03:14:24 <doc|home> xchat seems to not have released files yet
Mar 05 03:14:56 <plb> =\
Mar 05 03:15:07 <plb> recommand any other apps for n800? just got it today ;]
Mar 05 03:15:27 <plb> I got mplayer, pidgin, and that last.fm client so far
Mar 05 03:15:40 <KotCzarny> maemo-mapper
Mar 05 03:15:42 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 03:15:48 <plb> whats that?
Mar 05 03:15:51 <doc|home> nope, not that I know of, sorry, I just ssh'd to another box and used irssi from there
Mar 05 03:15:56 <GeneralAntilles> http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/
Mar 05 03:15:56 <KotCzarny> ever seen maps.google.com ?
Mar 05 03:15:59 <plb> yep
Mar 05 03:16:05 <KotCzarny> something like this
Mar 05 03:16:08 <KotCzarny> but with caching
Mar 05 03:16:10 <plb> ah
Mar 05 03:16:14 <KotCzarny> and support for other map dbs
Mar 05 03:16:21 <plb> neat
Mar 05 03:16:28 <KotCzarny> usefull
Mar 05 03:16:35 <KotCzarny> and has gps support
Mar 05 03:16:46 <KotCzarny> (not that i use gps)
Mar 05 03:16:53 <plb> me either
Mar 05 03:17:01 <KotCzarny> 'neither'
Mar 05 03:17:02 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 03:17:54 <KotCzarny> fbreader, maemo recorder, quiver image viewer, mplayer, ecaile music player
Mar 05 03:18:05 <KotCzarny> bomberman, doom
Mar 05 03:18:14 <KotCzarny> xarchiver
Mar 05 03:18:31 <KotCzarny> vncviewer, rdesktop
Mar 05 03:18:43 <Drges> "useful"
Mar 05 03:18:56 <KotCzarny> navi: i never remember that
Mar 05 03:19:00 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 03:19:12 <KotCzarny> and i confuse it with useless
Mar 05 03:19:17 <plb> gotta have mplayer ;]
Mar 05 03:20:00 <Drges> KotCzarny, whatever, I obsess about spelling and grammar as much as you do.
Mar 05 03:20:25 <KotCzarny> navi: good, i approve
Mar 05 03:20:26 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 03:20:40 <KotCzarny> though english is a mess
Mar 05 03:20:47 <Drges> s/obsess/don't obsess/
Mar 05 03:20:47 <infobot> Drges meant: KotCzarny, whatever, I don't obsess about spelling and grammar as much as you do.
Mar 05 03:20:51 <KotCzarny> rule there, rule here
Mar 05 03:20:55 <MipsIrv> i'm assuming the kernel source hasn't been released for the nokia platforms eh?
Mar 05 03:20:58 <KotCzarny> lol
Mar 05 03:21:04 <KotCzarny> that's a little difference
Mar 05 03:21:05 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 03:21:18 <Drges> Fully intentional to get you rambling.
Mar 05 03:21:19 <KotCzarny> mipsirv: it has been
Mar 05 03:21:27 <KotCzarny> but not complete
Mar 05 03:21:31 <KotCzarny> still has binary blobs
Mar 05 03:21:46 <KotCzarny> navi: you will
Mar 05 03:21:47 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 03:22:57 <plb> no frozen-bubble =\
Mar 05 03:23:11 <KotCzarny> plb: there are substitues i think
Mar 05 03:24:12 <KotCzarny> if not i will be compiling it one day
Mar 05 03:24:13 <plb> hehe fb is awesome
Mar 05 03:24:13 <Navi> KotCzarny, I used to, however, now I just see it as assholeish.
Mar 05 03:24:13 <Navi> KotCzarny, asshole.
Mar 05 03:24:13 <KotCzarny> navi: i see it as the only way to not start speaking ircish
Mar 05 03:24:46 <KotCzarny> navi: calling other people names is assholeish
Mar 05 03:24:46 <KotCzarny> though
Mar 05 03:24:46 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 03:24:46 <sbk> so ive had my nokia N810 since last friday
Mar 05 03:24:46 <sbk> let me tell you guys
Mar 05 03:24:48 <sbk> im REALLY enjoying it
Mar 05 03:24:48 <plb> hm how come the app manager won't update maps...says its from a different source
Mar 05 03:24:48 * Proteous waits for it
Mar 05 03:24:53 <Navi> "ircish" ain't not no language.
Mar 05 03:25:03 <KotCzarny> no shit?
Mar 05 03:25:13 <sbk> haha Navi
Mar 05 03:25:17 <hoopy> so how many of you guys are linux buffs
Mar 05 03:25:25 * Navi casts a level five buff on Linux
Mar 05 03:25:33 <hoopy> i'm wanting a "linux appliance"
Mar 05 03:25:34 * KotCzarny yawns
Mar 05 03:25:46 <hoopy> perfereable solid state... i was wondering what arm linux is like
Mar 05 03:25:47 <plb> hoopy: I've been using linux since 1999
Mar 05 03:25:55 <sbk> I been on linux since 2000
Mar 05 03:26:05 <hoopy> i've been using it since about 2002
Mar 05 03:26:10 <sbk> < net engineer for a private network
Mar 05 03:26:15 <KotCzarny> hoopy: get a laptop and cf-ide adapter
Mar 05 03:26:15 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 03:26:23 <sbk> if you wana make some paper, get a linux job :P
Mar 05 03:26:28 <hoopy> what does that get ya
Mar 05 03:26:35 <sbk> 80k to start?
Mar 05 03:26:38 <hoopy> there probably aren't any linux jobs in my podunk ass town
Mar 05 03:26:44 * hoopy is a .NET developer
Mar 05 03:27:12 <Navi> The only Linux jobs around here are University jobs
Mar 05 03:28:02 <sbk> word
Mar 05 03:28:11 <sbk> its worth looking into it
Mar 05 03:28:11 <hoopy> what city do you live in sdk?
Mar 05 03:28:16 <plb> hm does n800 keep it self up to date automatically?
Mar 05 03:28:17 <sbk> Los Angeles
Mar 05 03:28:22 <sbk> I started in NYC tho
Mar 05 03:28:25 <hoopy> 80k in L.A.
Mar 05 03:28:29 <sbk> my job moved me out here
Mar 05 03:28:34 <sbk> last yr
Mar 05 03:28:34 <hoopy> i make 50k in BFE
Mar 05 03:28:42 <hoopy> cost of living is lowest in the nation here
Mar 05 03:28:43 <plb> sbk: I'm on Staten Island
Mar 05 03:28:44 <sbk> bum fuck egypt?
Mar 05 03:28:47 <sbk> oh word plb
Mar 05 03:28:49 <hoopy> yep
Mar 05 03:28:51 <plb> ya
Mar 05 03:28:51 <sbk> where abouts
Mar 05 03:28:56 <hoopy> southwest missouri
Mar 05 03:29:02 <Deformative> plb: I have a nokia 770
Mar 05 03:29:03 <sbk> I got family out there
Mar 05 03:29:09 <Deformative> It is not as fun as you might expect.
Mar 05 03:29:11 <plb> sbk: right next to the Verrazano in rosebank
Mar 05 03:29:21 <sbk> ahhh, my fam is in annadale
Mar 05 03:29:25 <sbk> right off arden ave
Mar 05 03:29:28 <hoopy> i'm in springfield
Mar 05 03:29:33 <plb> sbk: ah cool ;]
Mar 05 03:29:35 <Deformative> I mean, I use it, and it was worth the $140 I paid for it.
Mar 05 03:29:55 * KotCzarny got n800 for a 150$
Mar 05 03:29:56 <KotCzarny> :>
Mar 05 03:29:57 <Deformative> But a touch screen handheld cannot do a whole lot.
Mar 05 03:30:00 <sbk> the only thing I miss about si is the bitches
Mar 05 03:30:01 <hoopy> i'm kind of thinking about getting a chumby
Mar 05 03:30:08 <plb> I paid $240 for my n800
Mar 05 03:30:09 <sbk> I got my N810 for 475
Mar 05 03:30:14 <sbk> last week
Mar 05 03:30:24 <sbk> and jewegg sent me the wrong fucking SD card
Mar 05 03:30:29 <plb> sbk: should have got it from amazon
Mar 05 03:30:31 <plb> 391
Mar 05 03:30:33 <Deformative> KotCzarny: United states?
Mar 05 03:30:37 <KotCzarny> yes
Mar 05 03:30:38 <sbk> its all good plb
Mar 05 03:30:38 <KotCzarny> nyc area
Mar 05 03:30:41 <sbk> I needed it
Mar 05 03:30:43 <Deformative> I got mine like a year ago.
Mar 05 03:30:43 <plb> hehe
Mar 05 03:30:55 <Deformative> Ah well, time for me to go to sleep.
Mar 05 03:30:56 <sbk> I use it @ work, as a pen & paper replacement
Mar 05 03:31:02 <plb> another nycer KotCzarny ?
Mar 05 03:31:14 <sbk> we running #maemo!
Mar 05 03:31:15 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 03:31:16 <plb> where are you?
Mar 05 03:31:20 <sbk> hes in newark area
Mar 05 03:31:22 <sbk> :)
Mar 05 03:31:24 <Deformative> Pen and Paper is far superior.
Mar 05 03:31:26 <plb> aj
Mar 05 03:31:28 <plb> er
Mar 05 03:31:28 <sbk> haha Deformative
Mar 05 03:31:29 <plb> ah
Mar 05 03:31:39 <KotCzarny> closer to mnh though
Mar 05 03:31:40 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 03:31:46 <KotCzarny> about 10min
Mar 05 03:31:55 <hoopy> do you guys compile things on your phones?
Mar 05 03:32:01 <hoopy> or do you load binaries onto it
Mar 05 03:32:03 <plb> I'm about 5min from the ferry to manhattan
Mar 05 03:32:04 <sbk> I lived over thee too KotCzarny
Mar 05 03:32:04 <KotCzarny> hoopy: both
Mar 05 03:32:07 <sbk> jersey city
Mar 05 03:32:16 <Deformative> I only use mine as a book, pdf reader and sometimes I use the todo list.
Mar 05 03:32:18 <plb> ah jersey city
Mar 05 03:32:18 <sbk> I copped an apt over there, cause it was cheaper than midtown
Mar 05 03:32:20 <Deformative> Heh.
Mar 05 03:32:21 <plb> been there
Mar 05 03:32:21 <sbk> where I was stayin
Mar 05 03:32:36 <sbk> its pretty gross
Mar 05 03:32:39 <sbk> just a place to live
Mar 05 03:32:40 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 03:32:41 <sbk> thats all
Mar 05 03:32:41 <plb> to the ghetto part of jersey city heh
Mar 05 03:32:49 <sbk> yeah, I was right off grove st
Mar 05 03:32:53 <sbk> by the PATH train
Mar 05 03:32:54 <KotCzarny> i'm about 2 blocks form j.square
Mar 05 03:32:58 <sbk> ahhh
Mar 05 03:33:08 <KotCzarny> convenient
Mar 05 03:33:15 <plb> jersey city is filthy lol
Mar 05 03:33:19 <sbk> yeah
Mar 05 03:33:29 <sbk> LA isn't much better
Mar 05 03:33:30 <MipsIrv> whatever happened to efficient code..
Mar 05 03:33:30 <KotCzarny> i live in the internet anyway
Mar 05 03:33:36 <sbk> heh same KotCzarny
Mar 05 03:33:38 <plb> lol
Mar 05 03:33:40 <sbk> my job requires that
Mar 05 03:33:43 <sbk> :)
Mar 05 03:33:59 <errordeveloper>  'bora' is what ..os2008 ? or 2007 ?
Mar 05 03:34:02 <KotCzarny> so as long there's inet i can live there
Mar 05 03:34:04 <KotCzarny> 2007
Mar 05 03:34:08 <errordeveloper> ok ..
Mar 05 03:34:11 <KotCzarny> chinook is 2008
Mar 05 03:34:24 <sbk> you knwo what works REALLY well
Mar 05 03:34:29 <sbk> RDP client for OS08
Mar 05 03:34:30 <plb> 2008 looks so much better than 2007
Mar 05 03:34:33 <sbk> I use that shit nonstop
Mar 05 03:34:39 <sbk> the N810 was my first tablet
Mar 05 03:34:42 <errordeveloper> hm .. can i esealy upgrade via apt-get ?
Mar 05 03:34:45 <sbk> ive had it less than a week
Mar 05 03:34:46 <sbk> its amazing
Mar 05 03:34:49 <sbk> WAIT
Mar 05 03:34:54 <Navi> errordeveloper, you can but it's not recommended
Mar 05 03:34:54 <MipsIrv> sbk: amazing compared to the n800?
Mar 05 03:34:55 <sbk> apt-get works in OS08?~?!?~?~?~?~~??!?!?!?~?~~?
Mar 05 03:34:57 <KotCzarny> ed: from 2007 to 2008? no
Mar 05 03:34:59 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 03:35:03 <sbk> I havent tried anything else MipsIrv
Mar 05 03:35:05 <KotCzarny> sbk: yes
Mar 05 03:35:07 <MipsIrv> ah
Mar 05 03:35:10 <sbk> WOW!
Mar 05 03:35:14 <sbk> this thing is fucking amazing
Mar 05 03:35:14 <MipsIrv> i looked at the 810.. cost prohibitive though
Mar 05 03:35:14 <sbk> haha
Mar 05 03:35:28 <sbk> the cost didnt really matter, I wanted a keyboard
Mar 05 03:35:37 <sbk> because the browsing on my iphone sucks
Mar 05 03:35:43 <MipsIrv> that's an expensive keyboard though ;)
Mar 05 03:35:46 <KotCzarny> i've got mine nokia last week, so i'm not familiar what haven't worked before
Mar 05 03:35:46 <sbk> the N810 > iphone
Mar 05 03:35:46 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 03:35:52 <KotCzarny> sbk: bt
Mar 05 03:35:54 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 03:35:54 <MipsIrv> is it just me.. or does the 800 pretty much suck with all multimedia?
Mar 05 03:35:56 <sbk> yeah I got mine last friday
Mar 05 03:35:57 <errordeveloper> ok ..
Mar 05 03:35:59 <plb> I was just looking for mp3 player / video player and the n800 was only 240 so I just got that instead ;]
Mar 05 03:36:09 <errordeveloper> so to upgrade i need to flash it ?
Mar 05 03:36:17 <sbk> yeah, I'm trying to convince my friend to get one
Mar 05 03:36:18 <MipsIrv> i've had zero luck with media streamer.. flash-based video.. something else I tried I forgot
Mar 05 03:36:22 <errordeveloper> is os2008 ok on n800 ..?
Mar 05 03:36:22 <sbk> to replace his "cowon"
Mar 05 03:36:27 <KotCzarny> yes
Mar 05 03:36:29 <sbk> you can put it on errordeveloper
Mar 05 03:36:31 <sbk> so I read
Mar 05 03:36:32 <plb> flash lags fro me
Mar 05 03:36:33 <plb> for*
Mar 05 03:36:37 <KotCzarny> mipsirv: mplayer
Mar 05 03:36:38 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 03:36:45 <sbk> xmms works good as hell too
Mar 05 03:36:45 <plb> I heard about some orb site but haven't tried it
Mar 05 03:36:49 <MipsIrv> the 800 is more responsive with OS08 as far as I can tell
Mar 05 03:36:50 <KotCzarny> i have heard that vlc works too
Mar 05 03:36:50 <sbk> I Was reaaallly surprised
Mar 05 03:36:56 <sbk> VLC?!?!?!!?
Mar 05 03:36:58 <sbk> WTF!
Mar 05 03:36:59 <Navi> ...
Mar 05 03:36:59 <MipsIrv> i'd really like something that will let me play video from mythtv
Mar 05 03:37:04 <MipsIrv> although I hate mythtv..
Mar 05 03:37:10 <Navi> Quit acting surprised about every little damned thing.
Mar 05 03:37:15 <plb> I got mythtv as well
Mar 05 03:37:17 <sbk> I'm just saying Navi
Mar 05 03:37:21 <sbk> its surprising
Mar 05 03:37:27 <KotCzarny> navi: stop acting so 'mature'
Mar 05 03:37:27 <MipsIrv> plb: did you have any luck with minimyth?
Mar 05 03:37:28 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 03:37:29 <sbk> this thing rocks
Mar 05 03:37:35 <MipsIrv> i got like 3 frames then the whole thing locks up..
Mar 05 03:37:37 <Navi> KotCzarny, quit acting like KotCzarny
Mar 05 03:37:40 <sbk> haha
Mar 05 03:37:47 <plb> haven't tried it...just got my n800 today still trying to find all the good apps for it lol
Mar 05 03:37:47 <KotCzarny> that's impossible
Mar 05 03:37:51 <sbk> how about GFTP
Mar 05 03:37:56 <sbk> is there a port for that?
Mar 05 03:38:04 <plb> I'd like an irc client for it
Mar 05 03:38:11 <KotCzarny> sbk: yes
Mar 05 03:38:13 <plb> I could just ssh I suppose but meh
Mar 05 03:38:14 <errordeveloper> actually ..yeah
Mar 05 03:38:16 <sbk> I just ssh into my boxes, and use screen/irssi from there
Mar 05 03:38:30 <errordeveloper> what about irc clients for n800
Mar 05 03:38:31 <errordeveloper> ?
Mar 05 03:38:41 <KotCzarny> ed: what have you used on pc?
Mar 05 03:38:42 <MipsIrv> wouldn't pidgin accomplish that?
Mar 05 03:38:45 <Proteous> screen + irssi + bitlbee.org == teh win
Mar 05 03:38:50 <plb> errordeveloper: I'm looking for one ;]
Mar 05 03:38:54 <MipsIrv> <-- pidgining it up right now
Mar 05 03:38:58 <Navi> Proteous, you forgot SSH
Mar 05 03:39:02 <sbk> yeah Proteous
Mar 05 03:39:05 <KotCzarny> and telnet
Mar 05 03:39:06 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 03:39:08 <Proteous> yeah, sorry, SSH toooo
Mar 05 03:39:09 <plb> irssi is my all time favorite
Mar 05 03:39:13 <sbk> same plb
Mar 05 03:39:16 <MipsIrv> we also need an open media solution for the web.. flash isn't cutting it anymore
Mar 05 03:39:40 <KotCzarny> mipsirv: news say that nokia will put m$ silverlight ont oit
Mar 05 03:39:41 <plb> sbk: bitchx was popular way back when we first started ;]
Mar 05 03:39:44 <KotCzarny> happy?
Mar 05 03:39:44 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 03:39:50 <sbk> yeah plb  lol!
Mar 05 03:39:58 <sbk> we all graduated to irssi tho :P
Mar 05 03:40:00 <Navi> I prefer rtcomm over pidgen.
Mar 05 03:40:02 <MipsIrv> what is silverlight?
Mar 05 03:40:04 <KotCzarny> epic ftw!
Mar 05 03:40:08 <plb> sbk: until dev put that phone home feature in and no one wanted to use it anymore
Mar 05 03:40:10 <Fang64> microsoft product isn't it
Mar 05 03:40:22 <Navi> [21:34:58] <KotCzarny> mipsirv: news say that nokia will put m$ silverlight ont oit  <-
Mar 05 03:40:28 <Fang64> plb: bitchx is awesome
Mar 05 03:40:30 <MipsIrv> more closed source software?
Mar 05 03:40:33 <alp> silverlight is an open standard for rich internet content
Mar 05 03:40:43 <KotCzarny> yeah.. open.. my ass
Mar 05 03:40:44 <KotCzarny> ;)
Mar 05 03:40:44 <Navi> alp, only as open as OOXML
Mar 05 03:40:48 <Navi> er
Mar 05 03:40:51 <plb> Fang64: irssi is better ;]
Mar 05 03:40:55 <plb> and than epic4
Mar 05 03:40:55 <sbk> yup
Mar 05 03:40:57 <KotCzarny> you can't expect anything open from m$
Mar 05 03:41:01 <sbk> hmm
Mar 05 03:41:10 <alp> heh. i spent the last couple of years or longer competing directly with silverlight, but i still think it gets an unfair rap
Mar 05 03:41:20 <alp> if you want proprietary, try Flash
Mar 05 03:41:21 <KotCzarny> unless some court forces them to do it
Mar 05 03:41:43 <Navi> s/OOXML/Office .doc/
Mar 05 03:42:05 <MipsIrv> uh yeah.. right on the silverlight web site it says "we only support commercial operating systems, thanks"
Mar 05 03:42:30 <plb> so what is the best place to find all apps...just maemo.org under downloads?
Mar 05 03:42:40 <errordeveloper>  ..right
Mar 05 03:42:40 <MipsIrv> www.debian.org
Mar 05 03:42:41 <KotCzarny> plb: garage too
Mar 05 03:42:41 <MipsIrv> ;)
Mar 05 03:42:45 <sbk> yeah, thats what I have found plb
Mar 05 03:42:49 <KotCzarny> though it's user submitted
Mar 05 03:42:57 <errordeveloper> trying to install skype, give some unresolvable deps
Mar 05 03:43:09 <errordeveloper> how to get the bloody thing on ?
Mar 05 03:43:14 <MipsIrv> anyone have a batter cover for a 770 they are trying to get rid of?
Mar 05 03:43:18 <errordeveloper> i need it for my dad ..
Mar 05 03:43:20 <KotCzarny> ed: use installer from you os?
Mar 05 03:43:36 <mmejiav> hi... i have a problem with my brand new n800... they don't turn on !!!!!
Mar 05 03:43:43 <KotCzarny> i don't know if skype is supported on 2006
Mar 05 03:43:49 <errordeveloper> i tried with the package manger gui ..
Mar 05 03:43:51 <plb> so does the n800 update itself or what...I noticed I get pop ups asking to install stuff?
Mar 05 03:43:56 <KotCzarny> mmejiav: charge it?
Mar 05 03:43:59 <errordeveloper> and with apt-get - the same thign
Mar 05 03:44:02 <mmejiav> hola... tengo un problema con mi nuevo n800.... no prende
Mar 05 03:44:27 <sbk> ENGRISH, CAN YOU SPEEEK IT
Mar 05 03:44:27 <KotCzarny> i hate spanish..
Mar 05 03:44:29 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 03:44:49 <plb> KotCzarny: you live in newark...
Mar 05 03:44:55 <KotCzarny> plb: nope, in jc
Mar 05 03:44:57 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 03:44:59 <sbk> haha nah hes in jc
Mar 05 03:44:59 <plb> er
Mar 05 03:45:00 <plb> ya
Mar 05 03:45:02 <sbk> just as bad
Mar 05 03:45:07 <mmejiav> they don't show a charge indicator
Mar 05 03:45:12 <plb> not the best place to live if you don't like spanish i imagine lol
Mar 05 03:45:25 <KotCzarny> life
Mar 05 03:45:27 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 03:45:54 <plb> my neighborhood is mostly polish people lol
Mar 05 03:45:57 <KotCzarny> lol
Mar 05 03:46:02 <sbk> yeah
Mar 05 03:46:04 <Proteous> mmejiav: how long have you left it plugged in?
Mar 05 03:46:09 <sbk> I'm polish
Mar 05 03:46:12 <sbk> 2nd generation
Mar 05 03:46:13 <sbk> :)
Mar 05 03:46:20 <KotCzarny> do you speak it?
Mar 05 03:46:20 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 03:46:21 <mmejiav> Proteous, mmm 30 minutes
Mar 05 03:46:24 <plb> lot of polish people out here
Mar 05 03:46:27 <sbk> not anymore, when I was a kid yeah
Mar 05 03:46:32 <sbk> same in greenpoint plb
Mar 05 03:46:37 <sbk> I used to hang there a lot with my cousins
Mar 05 03:46:47 <Proteous> mmejiav: I'd try leaving it plugged in longer
Mar 05 03:47:07 <Proteous> mmejiav: you are plugging it in with the wall charger right? not with the USB cable?
Mar 05 03:47:19 <mmejiav> Proteous, but I don't look a charge indicator in the screen... how I know if tjey are charging?
Mar 05 03:47:32 <mmejiav> Proteous, yes, the wall charger
Mar 05 03:47:37 <plb> eh is it possible to get a clock in the panel?
Mar 05 03:47:45 <sbk> I found 1 plb
Mar 05 03:47:49 <sbk> but it was wack
Mar 05 03:47:49 <KotCzarny> plb: use status bar clock
Mar 05 03:47:55 <sbk> it didnt work right for me
Mar 05 03:47:55 <Proteous> mmejiav: does the manual say it will get a charging screen right away?
Mar 05 03:47:57 <sbk> on OS08
Mar 05 03:48:10 <plb> sbk: a clock?
Mar 05 03:48:22 <plb> KotCzarny: is that for desktop or panel?
Mar 05 03:48:27 <KotCzarny> panel
Mar 05 03:48:34 <plb> ah ok thanks
Mar 05 03:48:43 <KotCzarny> https://garage.maemo.org/projects/statusbarclock/
Mar 05 03:48:47 <KotCzarny> i guess that's the one
Mar 05 03:49:01 <sbk> yeah
Mar 05 03:49:03 <sbk> it didnt work for me really
Mar 05 03:49:10 <KotCzarny> why?
Mar 05 03:49:15 <KotCzarny> works fine for me
Mar 05 03:49:15 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 03:49:23 <KotCzarny> better than desktop one..
Mar 05 03:49:24 <plb> they should put one in by default
Mar 05 03:49:26 <KotCzarny> which is a cow
Mar 05 03:49:46 <mmejiav> Proteous, nop, I don't look info about
Mar 05 03:50:09 <KotCzarny> sbk: mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/mydesktop.png
Mar 05 03:50:15 <KotCzarny> it also takes screenshots
Mar 05 03:50:15 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 03:50:44 <sbk> not bad!
Mar 05 03:50:50 <KotCzarny> yes, it's great
Mar 05 03:51:12 <sbk> brb a couple mins gentlemen
Mar 05 03:51:49 <plb> KotCzarny: that is statusbar clock?
Mar 05 03:51:54 <KotCzarny> yes
Mar 05 03:51:57 <Proteous> mmejiav: well, I'm not sure, I'd try leaving it plugged in longer, the first charge can take a while
Mar 05 03:51:59 <plb> cool
Mar 05 03:52:06 <KotCzarny> i know
Mar 05 03:52:17 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 03:52:37 <mmejiav> Proteous, thanks... i'm searching more info in internet rigth now
Mar 05 03:53:04 <KotCzarny> proteous: otoh it can be dead too
Mar 05 03:53:10 <KotCzarny> charger or device
Mar 05 03:53:11 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 03:53:13 <plb> hm is that ukmp any good?
Mar 05 03:53:35 <Proteous> KotCzarny: that's true, but you have to try one thing at a time :)
Mar 05 03:53:57 <KotCzarny> proteous: but it should show charging indicator anyway, as he is suggesting
Mar 05 03:55:58 <plb> O
Mar 05 03:56:00 <plb> er
Mar 05 03:56:09 <mmejiav> Proteous, sorry for my bad english...
Mar 05 03:56:11 <plb> I'll be back tommorow...night everyone
Mar 05 03:57:06 <mmejiav> KotCzarny, yes, i'm not perfect (i don't speak english)
Mar 05 03:57:41 <Proteous> heh
Mar 05 03:57:44 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 03:57:57 <Proteous> you speak english better then I speak any other language
Mar 05 03:58:08 <KotCzarny> maybe he's using online translator
Mar 05 03:58:08 <Proteous> so I can't complain too much
Mar 05 03:58:12 <Proteous> lol
Mar 05 03:58:50 <KotCzarny> i would do it when forced to use unknown language :)
Mar 05 03:59:35 <Proteous> it's a pretty good translator if he is :P
Mar 05 03:59:51 <KotCzarny> ais are amazing nowadays
Mar 05 03:59:57 <KotCzarny> AIs
Mar 05 04:00:35 <mmejiav> KotCzarny, thanks for your help... have a nice day
Mar 05 04:00:41 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 04:00:56 <mmejiav> Proteous, thanks for your advice
Mar 05 04:01:04 <Proteous> np, hope you get it working
Mar 05 04:01:14 <Proteous> sucks to get a new non working device
Mar 05 04:01:19 <KotCzarny> yeah.
Mar 05 04:01:26 <KotCzarny> it's like a pet's death
Mar 05 04:01:28 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 04:01:36 <Proteous> especial a device as cool as a nokia IT
Mar 05 04:01:42 <KotCzarny> yeah.
Mar 05 04:04:52 <errordeveloper> hm  ..
Mar 05 04:05:02 <errordeveloper> after i did ^Z in ash
Mar 05 04:05:10 <errordeveloper> i can't just resume with %
Mar 05 04:05:17 <KotCzarny> use: fg
Mar 05 04:05:32 <errordeveloper> ah ..ok
Mar 05 04:05:34 <errordeveloper> :)
Mar 05 04:05:55 <KotCzarny> this channel should be named #maemo-linux
Mar 05 04:05:56 <KotCzarny> :>
Mar 05 04:06:05 <Proteous> lol
Mar 05 04:06:06 <KotCzarny> or -unix
Mar 05 04:06:11 <KotCzarny> or -posix
Mar 05 04:06:13 <KotCzarny> or something
Mar 05 04:06:15 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 04:06:16 <Proteous> -*nix
Mar 05 04:06:26 <KotCzarny> maemnix ?
Mar 05 04:06:34 <KotCzarny> maemonix ?
Mar 05 04:06:36 <KotCzarny> cool name
Mar 05 04:06:37 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 04:06:45 <johnx_> well, theoretically it's about maemo on any platform...
Mar 05 04:06:54 <errordeveloper> is maemo no linux anyway ?
Mar 05 04:06:59 <KotCzarny> o.o
Mar 05 04:07:01 <KotCzarny> :>
Mar 05 04:07:16 <johnx_> eh?
Mar 05 04:07:23 <KotCzarny> you can treat it as a debian spinoff
Mar 05 04:07:25 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 04:07:28 <errordeveloper> ..another question tonight ..
Mar 05 04:07:42 <KotCzarny> same way ubuntu relates to debian
Mar 05 04:07:59 <KotCzarny> erm
Mar 05 04:08:01 <johnx_> well...that's ITOS, but different people seem to think about maemo as different things
Mar 05 04:08:02 <KotCzarny> scratch that
Mar 05 04:08:03 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 04:08:14 <errordeveloper> can is somehow set up a network with n800 via usb?
Mar 05 04:08:19 <KotCzarny> yes
Mar 05 04:08:20 <johnx_> yes
Mar 05 04:08:25 <errordeveloper> so i could ssh ..
Mar 05 04:08:48 <KotCzarny> i guess null-usb cable is compiled in
Mar 05 04:08:53 <KotCzarny> in the thefault kernel
Mar 05 04:08:56 <KotCzarny> and few others
Mar 05 04:09:06 <johnx_> yes...the n800 can act like a "cdc usb ethernet adapter"
Mar 05 04:10:20 <KotCzarny> mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/batt2gp.png
Mar 05 04:10:28 <KotCzarny> charging saga continues
Mar 05 04:10:29 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 04:12:19 <KotCzarny> i bet #0 and #2 are temp. sensors
Mar 05 04:12:24 <errordeveloper> so if i have a pc, and i wan't to connect n800 to it ..how would i do that?
Mar 05 04:12:30 <errordeveloper> where to read aout it ..?
Mar 05 04:12:47 <KotCzarny> ed: define 'connect'
Mar 05 04:13:00 <ds3> kotczarny: is that gnuplot?
Mar 05 04:13:06 <KotCzarny> ds3: yes
Mar 05 04:13:21 <KotCzarny> 'fixed' font should be a giveaway
Mar 05 04:13:21 <KotCzarny> ;)
Mar 05 04:13:26 <ds3> how do you get it to recogonize time on the X axis?
Mar 05 04:13:32 <johnx_> errordeveloper, windows or linux on the desktop machine?
Mar 05 04:13:37 <errordeveloper> linux
Mar 05 04:13:44 <KotCzarny> set xdata time
Mar 05 04:13:45 <KotCzarny> set timefmt "%s"
Mar 05 04:14:04 <ds3> and what's the format in the datafile?
Mar 05 04:14:05 <KotCzarny> i have my times in unixtimestamps
Mar 05 04:14:25 <johnx_> errordeveloper, should get you started: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/setting_up_usb_networking.html
Mar 05 04:14:28 <KotCzarny> %s is 'seconds since unix epoch'
Mar 05 04:14:46 <ds3> so it can parse something like: FOO=`date`; echo $FOO , $MY_Y_VAL >> /tmp/datafile
Mar 05 04:14:52 <ds3> oh
Mar 05 04:14:54 <ds3> okay
Mar 05 04:14:57 <KotCzarny> yes
Mar 05 04:15:08 <KotCzarny> you just have to tell the format you use
Mar 05 04:15:13 <ds3> cool, never figured out how to do that
Mar 05 04:15:17 <KotCzarny> google
Mar 05 04:15:19 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 04:15:27 <KotCzarny> and examples
Mar 05 04:15:33 <ds3> think I tried it once and couldn't find stuff but that was a few years ago
Mar 05 04:15:57 <ds3> now I got the set commands, I can read the helpfile
Mar 05 04:16:02 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 04:17:15 <errordeveloper> johnx_: cool, thanx a lot ;)
Mar 05 04:18:29 <johnx_> sure...there is some GUI to do it...but it didn't exactly behave right
Mar 05 04:18:41 <GeneralAntilles> errordeveloper, there's a statusbar plugin that switches both client/host mode and will setup USB net for you.
Mar 05 04:20:17 <errordeveloper> hmm //
Mar 05 04:20:17 <errordeveloper> that's cool
Mar 05 04:20:18 <errordeveloper> but now i have a trouble here ..
Mar 05 04:20:31 <errordeveloper> was doing apt-upgrade, and it stopped the wlan deamon ..
Mar 05 04:20:37 <errordeveloper> like this 'Stopping WLAN Connection Daemon:
Mar 05 04:20:37 <KotCzarny> another newyorker
Mar 05 04:20:37 <KotCzarny> :>
Mar 05 04:20:39 <errordeveloper> '
Mar 05 04:20:51 <GeneralAntilles> He's much cooler than you are.
Mar 05 04:20:57 <KotCzarny> ga: so what?
Mar 05 04:20:58 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 04:21:05 <errordeveloper> ?
Mar 05 04:21:17 <errordeveloper> it  cannot boot now :(
Mar 05 04:21:29 <johnx_> :/
Mar 05 04:21:36 <johnx_> it starts to boot, then dies?
Mar 05 04:21:38 <errordeveloper> keeeps flashing the white nokia screen ..
Mar 05 04:21:55 <johnx_> ah, do you have data you need to recover or can you reflash?
Mar 05 04:22:12 <errordeveloper> no data really ..
Mar 05 04:22:22 <errordeveloper> i don't have too much time for reflashing /../
Mar 05 04:22:33 <KotCzarny> reflashing is fast
Mar 05 04:22:39 <johnx_> if you want to try to recover it use the nokia flasher to disable watchdog
Mar 05 04:22:50 <johnx_> but debugging this will probably take longer than a reflash
Mar 05 04:22:55 <KotCzarny> after you have all set up it takes few seconds
Mar 05 04:23:09 <errordeveloper> ok ..
Mar 05 04:23:24 <elb> make sure your OS2008 is completely up-to-date if it doesn't boot
Mar 05 04:23:36 <errordeveloper> so this time i'll install screen streaight away ..
Mar 05 04:23:53 <KotCzarny> lol
Mar 05 04:24:00 <errordeveloper> ah ..not sure if screen would help for this ..
Mar 05 04:24:04 <KotCzarny> or use app-manager
Mar 05 04:24:16 <errordeveloper> yeah ..
Mar 05 04:24:25 <KotCzarny> it has nice 'update' screen too
Mar 05 04:24:29 <errordeveloper> may be, but it couldn't do what i wanted
Mar 05 04:24:35 <ds3> arrrrgg some repo  is corrupted
Mar 05 04:24:47 <ds3> I see ""devel ""libs <KotCzarny> set xdata time
Mar 05 04:24:47 <ds3> <KotCzarny> set timefmt "%s"
Mar 05 04:24:51 <ds3> oops
Mar 05 04:24:54 <KotCzarny> lol
Mar 05 04:24:59 <ds3> I see ""devel ""lib, etc groups
Mar 05 04:25:11 <KotCzarny> ds3: have you enabled redpill mode?
Mar 05 04:25:19 <ds3> yes
Mar 05 04:25:21 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 04:25:25 <ds3> but this appeared after I did a update
Mar 05 04:25:28 <errordeveloper> ok ..so i'd reflash for os2008
Mar 05 04:25:33 <ds3> so it is not redpill killing it
Mar 05 04:25:33 <elb> it rules that maemo devs can't agree on category names
Mar 05 04:25:40 <errordeveloper> there was 2007
Mar 05 04:25:44 <KotCzarny> ds3: disable one by one?
Mar 05 04:25:48 <elb> not even close
Mar 05 04:26:17 <ds3> I could do that or I could wait a week to see if someone fixes there stuff ;)
Mar 05 04:26:29 <KotCzarny> ds3: wishfull thinking
Mar 05 04:26:30 <KotCzarny> ;)
Mar 05 04:32:43 <AJayMN> looking for a wifi finder/meter hear of kismet but cant find the deb for a Nokia 770  any suggestions?
Mar 05 04:35:41 <johnx_> I found a deb for it on gronmayer.com/it
Mar 05 04:35:45 <johnx_> no idea if it works
Mar 05 04:39:31 <b0r0las> ping
Mar 05 04:39:44 <johnx_> pong?
Mar 05 04:39:58 <texel> thunk
Mar 05 04:40:37 <johnx_> crash, bang, boom, ow, ow, ow...
Mar 05 04:40:38 * texel goes back to attempting to build Transmission for Chinook
Mar 05 04:40:46 <texel> Hehe =o)
Mar 05 04:41:01 <johnx_> texel, you know there's a .deb of it already, right?
Mar 05 04:41:09 <texel> There is, eh?
Mar 05 04:41:18 <johnx_> on itt
Mar 05 04:41:25 <texel> Is it properly Hildonized at all? O.o
Mar 05 04:41:31 <johnx_> nope
Mar 05 04:41:34 <texel> Heh
Mar 05 04:41:37 <johnx_> but it has some hacks for small screen usage
Mar 05 04:41:44 * texel nods
Mar 05 04:41:52 <GeneralAntilles> It works well enough.
Mar 05 04:42:07 <johnx_> you might at least want to start with that source instead of from scratch
Mar 05 04:42:31 <texel> Was it some serious hacking to get it into a runnable state?
Mar 05 04:42:44 <GeneralAntilles> "5 minute port"
Mar 05 04:42:44 <johnx_> I didn't look too closely
Mar 05 04:42:55 <texel> Mm. Thought as much. =o)
Mar 05 04:43:03 <texel> It seems like a straightforward port, really.
Mar 05 04:43:06 <johnx_> I mean, if I have inet access on my tablet I'll just tell my desktop at home to start the torrent...
Mar 05 04:43:23 <johnx_> I thought there were some quirks, but I could be wrong
Mar 05 04:43:24 <errordeveloper> yeah ..os08 looks much keewler :)~
Mar 05 04:43:28 <GeneralAntilles> The tablets make for really awesome low-power clients.
Mar 05 04:43:55 <lopz> good night
Mar 05 04:44:09 <texel> G'night, lopz.
Mar 05 04:44:16 <johnx_> 'night lopz
Mar 05 04:44:21 <texel> Ow. qemu really bites sometimes.
Mar 05 04:44:26 <texel> "qemu: Unsupported syscall: 264"
Mar 05 04:44:41 <johnx_> ah, qemu usermode...
Mar 05 04:44:49 <texel> Yeah. I should really look into sbrsh.
Mar 05 04:44:55 * johnx_ ended up running debian inside qemu-system-arm
Mar 05 04:45:24 <texel> johnx_: bet that wasn't exactly fun.
Mar 05 04:45:46 <johnx_> the install was slow, but now I have a faster ARM host to compile on
Mar 05 04:45:52 <johnx_> ...for debian
Mar 05 04:46:39 <texel> sbrsh sounds... erm... creepy.
Mar 05 04:47:01 <johnx_> lots of scratchbox stuff is pretty crazy
Mar 05 04:47:24 <johnx_> in the end cross compiling is a mixture of voodoo and luck
Mar 05 04:47:30 <texel> True enough.
Mar 05 04:47:41 <texel> Though I remember back in the days when I was hacking on the old Sharp SL-5000D.
Mar 05 04:47:47 <texel> Cross compiling back then was major pain.
Mar 05 04:47:52 <texel> SB, thankfully, makes things easier.
Mar 05 04:48:02 <johnx_> you had the original? neat
Mar 05 04:48:07 <texel> Yeah.
Mar 05 04:48:14 <johnx_> 32MB of RAM is no fun though
Mar 05 04:48:18 * texel doublenods
Mar 05 04:48:35 <texel> I've had lots of embedded linux devices, though some weren't /supposed/ to have Linux on them... >=o)
Mar 05 04:50:14 <texel> Bleh. Too many netsplits.
Mar 05 04:50:32 <johnx_> yeah, really. seems bad today
Mar 05 04:51:13 <GeneralAntilles> Hub went down earlier.
Mar 05 04:51:14 <GeneralAntilles> Messy.
Mar 05 04:51:30 <texel> Hrm... I wonder where I can get an IPAQ cheap. =o)
Mar 05 04:51:42 <johnx_> depends on which ipaq you want...
Mar 05 04:51:49 <johnx_> the hx4700 looks reasonable
Mar 05 04:52:06 <johnx_> also depends on what you mean by cheap :)
Mar 05 04:52:22 <texel> Heh
Mar 05 04:52:28 <texel> Well, I was thinking used.
Mar 05 04:52:38 <texel> Looks like one's available for around $70.
Mar 05 04:53:25 <texel> I was thinking for use as a compilation target with SB.
Mar 05 04:53:41 <johnx_> ah...use qemu-system-arm
Mar 05 04:53:48 <johnx_> probably faster than just about anything else
Mar 05 04:54:12 <texel> Mm. Unfortunately, I've not had much luck with that, I'm afraid.
Mar 05 04:54:18 <johnx_> really?
Mar 05 04:54:27 <texel> Ie: the aforementioned "unsupported syscall" errors.
Mar 05 04:54:53 <texel> Emacs 22 won't even bootstrap, either, I'm afraid.
Mar 05 04:54:54 <johnx_> I mean qemu-system-arm as in run a whole kernel in qemu
Mar 05 04:55:02 <texel> Ahh.
Mar 05 04:55:31 <johnx_> it's faster than just about any consumer available arm system if you have an athlon 64 or something better
Mar 05 04:55:50 <texel> How about a quad-core Xeon system? =op
Mar 05 04:56:05 <johnx_> I don't think it takes advantage of multiples cores/cpus :P
Mar 05 04:56:08 <texel> Hehe
Mar 05 04:57:43 * texel goes to investigate
Mar 05 05:08:09 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 05:08:23 <KotCzarny> re
Mar 05 05:13:58 <hoopy> echo 64.233.187.99 clownpenis.fart >> /etc/hosts
Mar 05 05:14:21 <KotCzarny> irc: echo: command not accepted
Mar 05 05:17:14 <KotCzarny> hmm
Mar 05 05:17:31 <KotCzarny> http://matchbox-project.org/screenshots.html
Mar 05 05:18:08 <johnx_> yes?
Mar 05 05:18:23 <KotCzarny> i wonder how much generic matchbox differs from nokia's
Mar 05 05:18:40 <johnx_> probably, not a lot
Mar 05 05:19:00 <KotCzarny> and if it will be useful to replace it
Mar 05 05:19:17 <johnx_> while keeping the rest of hildon desktop? probably not helpful
Mar 05 05:19:24 <KotCzarny> hum
Mar 05 05:19:34 <johnx_> recompiling nokia's source with different options might be interesting
Mar 05 05:19:44 <johnx_> like movable dialog windows
Mar 05 05:19:59 <KotCzarny> yes, that's what motivates me to find another wm
Mar 05 05:20:23 <johnx_> personally I'm a big fan of matchbox for embedded touchscreen linux
Mar 05 05:20:25 <KotCzarny> nokia's wm is open?
Mar 05 05:20:36 <johnx_> yes, source is available
Mar 05 05:20:50 <KotCzarny> what name it bears?
Mar 05 05:20:59 <johnx_> matchbox-window-manager IIRC
Mar 05 05:21:05 <johnx_> it's in their source repo
Mar 05 05:21:22 <KotCzarny> 273kb
Mar 05 05:21:23 <KotCzarny> lol
Mar 05 05:21:37 <johnx_> pretty big O_o
Mar 05 05:21:44 <johnx_> probably contains lots of graphics
Mar 05 05:24:53 <KotCzarny> themes: Default  MBOpus  blondie  bluebox  borillo
Mar 05 05:24:55 <KotCzarny> o.O
Mar 05 05:25:04 <johnx_> included?
Mar 05 05:25:06 <johnx_> nice
Mar 05 05:25:17 <KotCzarny> i wonder if they simply changed names
Mar 05 05:25:31 <johnx_> hmm?
Mar 05 05:25:35 <KotCzarny> or if those are completely different
Mar 05 05:25:42 <johnx_> those sound like what I've seen on the zaurus/angstrom
Mar 05 05:25:51 <johnx_> as in, more like the other screenshots on that page
Mar 05 05:26:25 <KotCzarny> on nokia there are: echo, felicia, glasser, hendrika, plankton
Mar 05 05:27:15 <johnx_> I'm pretty sure those themes aren't related
Mar 05 05:27:40 <KotCzarny> probably
Mar 05 05:31:39 <KotCzarny> http://pastebin.com/m1b2f40f7
Mar 05 05:31:46 <KotCzarny> package build options
Mar 05 05:32:30 <johnx_> you know, I think you can tell dialogs to be movable at runtime
Mar 05 05:35:54 <KotCzarny>     *   matchbox-keyboard-manager
Mar 05 05:35:54 <KotCzarny>       A GTK2 based tool for managing matchbox key shortcuts with gconf. As yet unreleased.
Mar 05 05:35:59 <KotCzarny> that would be cool
Mar 05 05:36:00 <KotCzarny> :>
Mar 05 05:36:35 <johnx_> why?
Mar 05 05:36:56 <KotCzarny> right now hardware keys are hardwired
Mar 05 05:36:59 <KotCzarny> aren't they?
Mar 05 05:37:18 <johnx_> wait, what are you trying to do?
Mar 05 05:37:36 <johnx_> hardware keys generate a keysym and something listens for it
Mar 05 05:37:46 <johnx_> the keysym can be changed if you really want I guess
Mar 05 05:38:00 <KotCzarny> not without a xkeycaps etc.
Mar 05 05:38:22 <KotCzarny> you can use vi
Mar 05 05:38:27 <texel> Actually, I was just about to embark on doing just that.
Mar 05 05:38:38 <KotCzarny> but that would require you to know xkeys names
Mar 05 05:38:40 <texel> If you edit the xkb files, you can specify whatever you want. =op
Mar 05 05:38:50 <KotCzarny> i know
Mar 05 05:38:53 <KotCzarny> but i'm lazy
Mar 05 05:38:54 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 05:39:04 * johnx_ shakes his head
Mar 05 05:39:11 <KotCzarny> also, it will provide easy way to create localized kb
Mar 05 05:39:34 <johnx_> I thought there was already work towards that
Mar 05 05:40:00 <KotCzarny> btw. i think i will map hw +/- to ctrl/alt
Mar 05 05:40:23 <KotCzarny> that will solve irssi/screen/epic issue i think
Mar 05 05:40:48 <KotCzarny> unless onscreen kb ignores 'real' kb keys
Mar 05 05:40:50 <johnx_> you use the builtin os2008 xterm?
Mar 05 05:40:57 <KotCzarny> right now i use ssh
Mar 05 05:41:40 <KotCzarny> i wonder if enabling 'composite' will be hard
Mar 05 05:42:02 <KotCzarny> anyone know if xserver is/can be enabled to use it too?
Mar 05 05:43:42 <johnx_> isn't it already?
Mar 05 05:43:55 <KotCzarny> matchbox compiles without composite
Mar 05 05:44:07 <johnx_> probably because it doesn't use it
Mar 05 05:44:08 <KotCzarny> which makes me wonder if the enabled composite in xserver
Mar 05 05:44:17 <johnx_> pretty sure it's enabled
Mar 05 05:44:43 <texel> Yeah, pretty sure it is as well.
Mar 05 05:44:49 <KotCzarny> no xorg.log
Mar 05 05:44:55 <texel> Dev instructions tell you to forcibly enable it for Xephyr.
Mar 05 05:45:37 <texel> It's probably used somewhere in Sapwood.
Mar 05 05:46:54 <johnx_> KotCzarny, it's not xorg per se
Mar 05 05:47:11 <johnx_> texel, the hildon panels use it for transparency IIRC
Mar 05 05:47:30 <KotCzarny> last time i mentioned it's not exactly xorg someone corrected me
Mar 05 05:47:32 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 05:47:38 <KotCzarny> don't remember who it was though
Mar 05 05:47:56 <johnx_> well, logs are disabled anyways :)
Mar 05 05:48:13 <KotCzarny> nope
Mar 05 05:48:17 <KotCzarny> there are few logbots
Mar 05 05:48:23 <KotCzarny> just check google :)
Mar 05 05:48:31 <johnx_> uhm...the x server logs
Mar 05 05:48:34 <KotCzarny> ah.
Mar 05 05:48:35 <KotCzarny> ;)
Mar 05 05:48:36 <KotCzarny> yes
Mar 05 05:48:40 <johnx_> it mentions logs in the topic :P
Mar 05 05:48:42 <KotCzarny> that's why i have said
Mar 05 05:49:09 <johnx_> I mean, I can't make the shipped xomap create a log no matter what I do...maybe I'm missing something
Mar 05 05:49:45 <KotCzarny> maybe it's trying to log to ro fs?
Mar 05 05:49:57 <KotCzarny> run with >/tmp ?
Mar 05 06:00:43 <Pauline92> Hi
Mar 05 06:01:01 <texel> Hi
Mar 05 06:01:13 <KotCzarny> Hi
Mar 05 06:01:39 <Pauline92> I just got a Nokia N770 and I have no idea how to install applications
Mar 05 06:01:54 <KotCzarny> settings -> application manager ?
Mar 05 06:01:57 <Pauline92> I want to install envince for OS2006, but I can't figure out how to install it
Mar 05 06:02:11 <Pauline92> *Evince
Mar 05 06:02:13 <Pauline92> I mean
Mar 05 06:02:29 <KotCzarny> how much do you know about *nix ?
Mar 05 06:02:36 <Pauline92> Nothing
Mar 05 06:02:54 <KotCzarny> aha, then you will have to find web installable version i think
Mar 05 06:03:05 <KotCzarny> i may be wrong though
Mar 05 06:03:13 <KotCzarny> i have n800
Mar 05 06:03:47 <KotCzarny> http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2006/evince/
Mar 05 06:03:54 <Pauline92> OK
Mar 05 06:03:56 <KotCzarny> been there? clicked 'install' ?
Mar 05 06:03:58 <Pauline92> I was there
Mar 05 06:04:01 <Pauline92> I clicked Install
Mar 05 06:04:05 <Pauline92> Saved it in "Documents"
Mar 05 06:04:19 <Pauline92> I go to File manager -> Documents
Mar 05 06:04:23 <Pauline92> and evince is there
Mar 05 06:04:29 <Pauline92> I double click "evince"
Mar 05 06:05:00 <KotCzarny> and?
Mar 05 06:05:12 <Pauline92> It then loads up Application Manager and it has "Show installed applications", "isntall new applications", and "check for updates"
Mar 05 06:05:37 <KotCzarny> i think you will have to enable extras
Mar 05 06:05:43 <KotCzarny> because i see it in extras
Mar 05 06:05:45 <Pauline92> How do I enable "extras"?
Mar 05 06:05:59 <KotCzarny> there should be 'manage repos' or something
Mar 05 06:06:08 <KotCzarny> one word of warning
Mar 05 06:06:18 <KotCzarny> extras are packages made by various people
Mar 05 06:06:22 <KotCzarny> may or may not work
Mar 05 06:06:25 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 06:07:07 <Pauline92> I don't see "manage repos"
Mar 05 06:07:10 <KotCzarny> in app-manager: tools -> catalogs manager
Mar 05 06:07:19 <Pauline92> Yes
Mar 05 06:07:30 <KotCzarny> there should be something with extras in the name
Mar 05 06:07:34 <KotCzarny> select, edit
Mar 05 06:07:42 <KotCzarny> should have 'disabled' checked
Mar 05 06:07:45 <KotCzarny> uncheck, ok
Mar 05 06:08:00 <KotCzarny> and you should be able to see many new packages
Mar 05 06:08:00 <Pauline92> I just have 4 repositories
Mar 05 06:08:04 <Pauline92> I entered 2 of them
Mar 05 06:08:25 <KotCzarny> it's in: http://repository.maemo.org/extras bora free non-free
Mar 05 06:08:42 <KotCzarny> at least install file points there
Mar 05 06:08:50 <Pauline92> I dont have that one
Mar 05 06:09:03 <Pauline92> I have gregalse
Mar 05 06:09:19 <Pauline92> http://repository.maemo.org/ gregale free non-free
Mar 05 06:10:17 <Pauline92> Ah ok
Mar 05 06:10:21 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 06:10:22 <Pauline92> I just had to enter "extras"
Mar 05 06:10:53 <Pauline92> OK it's telling me I'm missing "libglade2.0 >= 1:2.3.6"
Mar 05 06:10:59 <Pauline92> in order to install evince
Mar 05 06:11:02 <rm_you_> >_>
Mar 05 06:11:53 <KotCzarny> btw. have you created new repo or just edited one of the existent?
Mar 05 06:13:34 <Pauline92> I just reflashed it to new
Mar 05 06:13:39 <Pauline92> installed the gregale SDK
Mar 05 06:13:51 <Pauline92> Now looking to install Evince
Mar 05 06:14:20 <KotCzarny> why don't you try 2008he ?
Mar 05 06:14:23 <KotCzarny> :>
Mar 05 06:14:29 <Pauline92> I dont think it runs to well
Mar 05 06:14:37 <Pauline92> even 2007he is said to be unstable
Mar 05 06:14:40 <KotCzarny> aha
Mar 05 06:14:52 <johnx_> 2007he is worth a shot
Mar 05 06:14:53 <KotCzarny> but you know how to reflash
Mar 05 06:15:04 <KotCzarny> so it shouldn't be a problem if it doesn't work well
Mar 05 06:15:23 <Pauline92> I just used the Windows GUI
Mar 05 06:15:32 <Pauline92> You just click "Next" and it goes
Mar 05 06:15:56 <rm_you> right. which is enough :)
Mar 05 06:16:01 <rm_you> i would definately try 2007HE
Mar 05 06:16:12 <rm_you> that opens up a LOT of much more useful software
Mar 05 06:16:15 <KotCzarny> 'definitely'
Mar 05 06:16:15 <johnx_> anyways, for evince, try this: on the tablet, go to gronmayer.com/it, select OS2006, search for evince, hit "click to install" on the first repository (the one that has evince 0.90) then install evince from app manager
Mar 05 06:16:17 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 06:16:20 <rm_you> shhhh
Mar 05 06:16:33 <KotCzarny> yes, you can always flash 2006 back
Mar 05 06:16:37 <KotCzarny> widhout a problem
Mar 05 06:16:39 <KotCzarny> without
Mar 05 06:19:41 <Pauline92> rm_you - have you tried 2007HE on N770?
Mar 05 06:21:08 <rm_you> no, but while hanging out in IRC here, i've talked to a lot of people that have. though, i did run os2007 on my n800, and i've been told it installs all the same packages fairly effortlessly
Mar 05 06:21:28 <Pauline92> rm_you - what is the difference between 2007 and 2006?
Mar 05 06:21:46 <rm_you> basically, the n770 was the only device to run os2006, and most of the major development happened at the end of the 770's life cycle, and in the midst of the n800 is when a lot of stuff really took off
Mar 05 06:21:56 <rm_you> which was all on os2007
Mar 05 06:22:11 <rm_you> so you get an entirely new (and much larger) set of programs to install
Mar 05 06:22:19 <johnx_> OS2007 has updated software and libraries
Mar 05 06:22:31 <rm_you> it's a much more tested and fully developed OS than 2006
Mar 05 06:22:40 <Pauline92> OK
Mar 05 06:23:09 <johnx_> it's worth a try anyways
Mar 05 06:23:26 <Pauline92> I'll giver her a go
Mar 05 06:23:26 <KotCzarny> yeah. and it's 99% safe
Mar 05 06:23:28 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 06:23:38 <Pauline92> Thanks guys
Mar 05 06:23:44 <Pauline92> What software do you recommend for your Nokia?
Mar 05 06:23:50 <johnx_> plus 2007he comes with the wireless memory corruption fix so it should be more stable :)
Mar 05 06:24:07 <KotCzarny> maemo-mapper
Mar 05 06:24:08 <rm_you> mplayer for playing video...
Mar 05 06:24:12 <KotCzarny> definitely
Mar 05 06:24:29 <rm_you> kagu or ukmp (or canola... does it support 2007HE?) for music
Mar 05 06:24:49 <Pauline92> Can you watch youtube on Nokia?
Mar 05 06:24:53 <KotCzarny> yes
Mar 05 06:24:56 <rm_you> yes
Mar 05 06:24:57 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 06:25:05 <rm_you> though it is sometimes.... iffyt
Mar 05 06:25:06 <rm_you> *iffy
Mar 05 06:25:21 <KotCzarny> yiffy?
Mar 05 06:25:22 <KotCzarny> ;)
Mar 05 06:25:34 <Pauline92> What do you need for that? Just 2007HE?
Mar 05 06:25:37 <rm_you> but if you use a tool like UKTube (comes with UKMP) it will download/play the videos perfectly if you give it the youtube URL
Mar 05 06:25:39 <rm_you> yes
Mar 05 06:25:51 <Pauline92> Nice
Mar 05 06:26:06 <rm_you> though i'm not sure if he's updated it yet... youtube keeps changing its code and breaking uktube :/
Mar 05 06:26:17 <KotCzarny> when they have dropped opera in favour of mikrob ?
Mar 05 06:26:46 <KotCzarny> in 2007 or in 2008?
Mar 05 06:26:52 <rm_you> 2008
Mar 05 06:26:57 <KotCzarny> uhum
Mar 05 06:54:26 <LinuxCode> morning
Mar 05 06:54:32 <KotCzarny> not yet
Mar 05 06:54:42 <LinuxCode> any of you getting categories to sync using gpesyncd ?
Mar 05 06:54:55 <LinuxCode> mine just does my Personal category
Mar 05 06:55:30 <LinuxCode> problem is  I have two other categories too ;-|
Mar 05 06:55:36 <LinuxCode> which dont seem to sync atm
Mar 05 06:56:24 <LinuxCode> and when I add two items under those categories on the N810 they end up in personal in evolution
Mar 05 06:56:31 <LinuxCode> I read that categories work
Mar 05 06:56:36 <LinuxCode> and Im sure they worked before
Mar 05 07:00:04 <LinuxCode> hmmm
Mar 05 07:03:09 <phani> hi all ... anyone tell me how do i toggle fullscreen on maemo? what Atom/keybinding should i look for ?
Mar 05 07:03:43 <johnx_> as in what keysym the "fullscreen" key generates?
Mar 05 07:03:48 <KotCzarny> yes
Mar 05 07:03:54 <phani> yes
Mar 05 07:04:00 <KotCzarny> ;)
Mar 05 07:04:02 <johnx_> F6
Mar 05 07:04:03 <LinuxCode> morning john
Mar 05 07:04:10 <johnx_> 'mornin
Mar 05 07:04:36 <phani> it toggles fullscreen ? or anyother key to get out of fullscreen ?
Mar 05 07:04:53 <johnx_> toggles fullscreen
Mar 05 07:05:04 <johnx_> that's the keysym that the "fullscreen" button generates
Mar 05 07:05:16 <johnx_> xev will tell you the same :)
Mar 05 07:05:28 <phani> thanks a lot
Mar 05 07:05:47 <KotCzarny> xev isn't installed by default
Mar 05 07:05:47 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 07:05:59 <johnx_> it's a quick compile
Mar 05 07:06:03 <KotCzarny> yes
Mar 05 07:06:04 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 07:06:16 <phani> oh ... i didnt know .... thanks a lot for your help
Mar 05 07:07:03 <tank-man> you can press f8 or something for fullscreen toggle on a keyboard
Mar 05 07:07:30 <LinuxCode> hmmm
Mar 05 07:07:31 <johnx_> f6 tank-man. I know :P
Mar 05 07:07:50 <KotCzarny> f-fight!
Mar 05 07:08:15 <Navi> A bit of a netstudder there
Mar 05 07:11:32 <LinuxCode> lol I just googled for gpesynd and I get a log from this chan as result!
Mar 05 07:11:35 <LinuxCode> wtf
Mar 05 07:11:57 <czr> ftw
Mar 05 07:12:15 <KotCzarny> ;)
Mar 05 07:12:18 <KotCzarny> maagic
Mar 05 07:12:48 <LinuxCode> I need a testing package for gpesyncd
Mar 05 07:13:00 <LinuxCode> I think the 14th Jan version still had the category bug
Mar 05 07:13:10 <czr> it's like yesterday, while debugging windows, I entered one error message directly to IE/Live search. the second entry on the search page was a reference to a friend's homepage, who was sitting at that time about 2 meters from me.
Mar 05 07:13:24 <czr> that was pretty spooky. obviously the page had absolutely nothing to do with the error message.
Mar 05 07:14:33 <KotCzarny> there was a funny vid about two guys zooming on google maps
Mar 05 07:14:34 <KotCzarny> ;)
Mar 05 07:14:41 <KotCzarny> sattelite maps
Mar 05 07:14:42 <KotCzarny> (;
Mar 05 07:16:34 <Proteous> I saw that one, pretty funny\
Mar 05 07:19:18 <LinuxCode> meh cant find something newer
Mar 05 07:19:19 <LinuxCode> ;-[
Mar 05 07:22:25 <KotCzarny> nice
Mar 05 07:34:09 <desertc> no silverlight! boo!
Mar 05 07:36:10 <KotCzarny> yawn.
Mar 05 07:41:39 <KotCzarny> coming, and going.. fscked splits.
Mar 05 07:55:23 <febb> hi all
Mar 05 07:55:40 <febb> anyone here has an nokia 770 internet tablet ?
Mar 05 07:58:11 <febb> anyone has a nokia 770 internet tablet on hand ?
Mar 05 07:58:20 <Navi> febb, chill
Mar 05 07:58:30 <Navi> This is IRC.
Mar 05 07:58:42 <febb> I know.....
Mar 05 07:58:47 <Proteous> febb: yeah
Mar 05 07:58:57 <Navi> You'll get your answer in 2-5 business days
Mar 05 07:59:04 <KotCzarny> not true
Mar 05 07:59:12 <febb> bet not  !  ;)
Mar 05 07:59:14 <Proteous> I HAS GOT 770
Mar 05 07:59:21 <czr> WE HAS TROUBLE.
Mar 05 07:59:23 <Navi> Ignore Proteous
Mar 05 07:59:24 <Proteous> WHAT YOU NEAD
Mar 05 07:59:26 <Proteous> heh
Mar 05 07:59:30 <Proteous> hey, that's not nice
Mar 05 07:59:30 <Navi> he's a dirty liar
Mar 05 07:59:35 <KotCzarny> yadda yadda
Mar 05 07:59:49 <KotCzarny> CAN I HAZ 770?
Mar 05 07:59:50 <Tama^2> I am in your tablet touching your screen
Mar 05 07:59:53 <KotCzarny> t00
Mar 05 08:00:04 <LinuxCode> morning Tama^2
Mar 05 08:00:14 <LinuxCode> hey Tama^2 are you using gpesync ?
Mar 05 08:00:15 <Tama^2> Hi LinuxCode
Mar 05 08:00:19 <Proteous> febb seemed very impatient a while ago, and now there is no answer
Mar 05 08:00:26 <czr> I'm in UR maemo breekin qemu
Mar 05 08:00:27 <LinuxCode> need to know if it synces all your categories
Mar 05 08:00:29 <Tama^2> nope, I still haven't tried gpe
Mar 05 08:00:32 <LinuxCode> if you do
Mar 05 08:00:34 <LinuxCode> k
Mar 05 08:00:44 <LinuxCode> only seems to sync my personal category
Mar 05 08:00:55 <LinuxCode> as long as it synces
Mar 05 08:01:01 <LinuxCode> I guess I can live with that
Mar 05 08:01:01 <febb> there's an answer....
Mar 05 08:01:12 <Tama^2> I will try it out soon
Mar 05 08:01:16 <Tama^2> and let you knoe :P
Mar 05 08:01:19 <LinuxCode> k
Mar 05 08:01:28 <KotCzarny> k-noe
Mar 05 08:01:30 <LinuxCode> cobb made a daily snapshot repo
Mar 05 08:01:34 <KotCzarny> canoe
Mar 05 08:01:37 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 08:01:39 <LinuxCode> tried latest thought that would fix it
Mar 05 08:01:44 <LinuxCode> no luck Tama^2
Mar 05 08:01:49 <LinuxCode> when you get to trying it out hehe
Mar 05 08:01:51 <LinuxCode> ;-}
Mar 05 08:02:54 <febb> hi red-zack  , msanchez
Mar 05 08:03:03 <msanchez> hi
Mar 05 08:03:42 <febb> msanchez: where are you from?
Mar 05 08:03:55 <msanchez> from Galicia, Spain
Mar 05 08:04:16 <febb> ah...looked like.  ;)
Mar 05 08:10:30 <febb> hi ustunozgur
Mar 05 08:11:48 <ustunozgur> hi febb
Mar 05 08:15:20 <aquatix> morning all
Mar 05 08:15:30 <febb> hi aquatiz....
Mar 05 08:15:37 <febb> aquatix...
Mar 05 08:16:22 <aquatix> hey febb
Mar 05 08:16:48 * aquatix only has an N810, sorry ;)
Mar 05 08:17:30 * febb Looking for users with an Nokia 770, to get a backup of a file from the OS. 
Mar 05 08:18:30 <tank-man> can't you just reflash or update ?
Mar 05 08:19:07 <johnx_> if all else fails you can grab the flashable image, pull the jffs2 image out of it, and mount that loopback on your desktop to extract the files
Mar 05 08:19:23 <aquatix> yeah, was about to suggest something similar
Mar 05 08:21:08 <febb> tank-man   no, unfortunately no, I can't reflash or update...long story, but I can't. I just need to recover one of the video demo files that came with the 770, the DiscoveryChannel video...
Mar 05 08:21:28 <febb> johnx_  that sounds like a possibility....
Mar 05 08:22:34 <johnx_> the flasher can "explode" the image so you can get at the jffs2, then you need a linux distro with mtd-ram.ko kernel module loaded (possibly some others) and jffs2 support, then just mount -o loop foo.jffs2 /some/dir
Mar 05 08:24:00 <febb> I am going to try that ....if I can't find someone with a 770 who just can transfer me the file...
Mar 05 08:24:45 <johnx_> I bet that most people with 770s already deleted it to get the space back...
Mar 05 08:26:29 <febb> yeah, could be.... there is not even a site where to download it...except for the nokia firmware dl site.
Mar 05 08:26:58 <johnx_> well, it contains proprietary Nokia software so generally people avoid mirroring it for legal reasons...
Mar 05 08:28:15 <febb> yeah, i know that...
Mar 05 08:36:59 <hrw> morning
Mar 05 08:37:26 <hrw> febb: which file?
Mar 05 08:40:33 <febb> I only need the Discovery channel video demo...
Mar 05 08:40:41 <febb> i think it is named Discovery.vid
Mar 05 08:41:10 <febb> hi hrw, by the way  :)
Mar 05 08:46:11 <hrw> febb: tried to extract it from firmware image?
Mar 05 08:47:07 <febb> hrw:  not yet, I know I can do that...but no, I just tried looking for someone who could just transfer me the file...  its a very long story.
Mar 05 08:47:47 <johnx_> if you give me an image I'll extract the file for you. Should take about 5 minutes
Mar 05 08:47:48 <febb> we are building  a video processing software...NIT based,   the issue is that many tests were made with that specific video.
Mar 05 08:48:12 <febb> which is no longer in the n800 or n810.... and now it turns out that we need it.
Mar 05 08:48:28 <johnx_> (an image or a 770 mac address)
Mar 05 08:48:39 <febb> I can do that...  hold a sec.
Mar 05 09:13:02 <febb> ok, got it finally.
Mar 05 09:14:31 <rm_you_> waking up in 4 hours... why do i always do this to myself >_<
Mar 05 09:15:55 <aquatix> rm_you: heh, sounds familiar
Mar 05 09:16:33 <rm_you> the life of a computer scientist / enthusiast <_<
Mar 05 09:16:35 * rm_you sighs
Mar 05 09:18:30 * rm_you sleeps
Mar 05 09:21:12 <aquatix> rm_you: sleep well
Mar 05 09:24:28 <febb> well.  guess I am calling it a night.....
Mar 05 09:24:45 <febb> see you later all ..in here.
Mar 05 09:31:30 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Mar 05 09:33:14 <Spakman> hello
Mar 05 09:33:29 <ertwroc> hi
Mar 05 09:48:38 <cLin> is there a command in xterm to load up microb and go to website?
Mar 05 09:57:32 <tank-man> cLin, i just looked and yea there is
Mar 05 09:58:10 <tank-man> example command: browser --url=slashdot.org
Mar 05 09:59:06 <cesman> or browser http://foo.bar
Mar 05 09:59:19 <cesman> doh!
Mar 05 09:59:22 <cesman> scrap that last one
Mar 05 10:00:02 <cesman> tank-man: you following me from channel to channel? ;)
Mar 05 10:00:36 <tank-man> i'm thinking the same thing :P
Mar 05 10:01:00 * LinuxCode stalks cesman and tank-man on freenode
Mar 05 10:01:41 <tank-man> i'm a guy, not a female :) you can stop stalking me
Mar 05 10:02:38 <LinuxCode> lool
Mar 05 10:02:46 <LinuxCode> men get stalked too
Mar 05 10:02:57 <LinuxCode> by crazy women
Mar 05 10:03:01 <LinuxCode> same principal
Mar 05 10:03:04 <tank-man> i didnt need to know that
Mar 05 10:03:10 <LinuxCode> I had a mate who got called 170 times
Mar 05 10:03:20 <LinuxCode> by  this crazy bitch
Mar 05 10:03:28 <LinuxCode> I have a video of his mobile rining...
Mar 05 10:03:29 <LinuxCode> haha
Mar 05 10:03:31 <LinuxCode> so funny
Mar 05 10:03:38 <LinuxCode> 170 missed calls
Mar 05 10:03:53 <LinuxCode> with it ringing ..then it stops...second later it rings again
Mar 05 10:06:39 <cesman> damn
Mar 05 10:07:35 <LinuxCode> yeh
Mar 05 10:07:42 <LinuxCode> but for an outsider its kinda funny
Mar 05 10:07:49 <LinuxCode> as long as its not your own phone ;-p
Mar 05 10:08:00 <LinuxCode> but then Im in the UK so..
Mar 05 10:08:09 <LinuxCode> we have laws against that
Mar 05 10:08:27 <LinuxCode> your phone company would block the caller on request
Mar 05 10:17:35 <aquatix> yeah, here in the NL too
Mar 05 10:57:17 <florian> hi all
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