**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Mar 05 10:59:56 2008
Mar 05 11:05:50 <johnx_> hello
Mar 05 11:06:12 <LinuxCode> wb
Mar 05 11:14:59 <LinuxCode> anybody know what the qmu sdk application is based on ?
Mar 05 11:15:03 <LinuxCode> qemu
Mar 05 11:15:10 <LinuxCode> the first vmware image or the latest ?
Mar 05 11:15:14 <LinuxCode> im getting a segfault
Mar 05 11:15:26 <LinuxCode> trying to start maemo
Mar 05 12:04:48 <gomiam> mmm... I'm trying to use a N800 in host mode with the enclosed cable and I've been able to provide power to a USB hub I have
Mar 05 12:04:57 <gomiam> but nothing else shows up
Mar 05 12:06:01 <gomiam> I'm googling but I've had no luck yet about finding a good tutorial
Mar 05 12:06:23 <johnx_> you did "echo host > /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode" ?
Mar 05 12:06:33 <johnx_> (or used usbcontrol)
Mar 05 12:06:37 <gomiam> mmm.. no, I'm using usbcontrol
Mar 05 12:06:48 <gomiam> hold on
Mar 05 12:06:59 <johnx_> I heard some mumbling about hubs and whitelists
Mar 05 12:07:09 <gomiam> I'm going to connect to my WiFi router so I can tinker with it from a console
Mar 05 12:07:21 <johnx_> can you try to plug whatever you're trying in directly
Mar 05 12:07:22 <LinuxCode> dont hubs drain power like mad
Mar 05 12:07:23 <LinuxCode> ?
Mar 05 12:07:23 <gomiam> by the way, where does the dmesg log reside?
Mar 05 12:07:33 <johnx_> hubs can also soak up power like LinuxCode said
Mar 05 12:07:37 <LinuxCode> it only supports a keybaord
Mar 05 12:07:45 <LinuxCode> powerwise
Mar 05 12:07:52 <LinuxCode> hds etc.. wont work
Mar 05 12:07:53 <johnx_> gomiam, it doesn't reside anywhere
Mar 05 12:07:57 <gomiam> LinuxCode: no problem with power, it's connected to the DC adapter right now
Mar 05 12:08:03 <johnx_> LinuxCode, flash drives should work
Mar 05 12:08:11 <gomiam> johnx_: oh. How does dmesg get the kernel messages then?
Mar 05 12:08:17 <LinuxCode> johnx_, I read some issues even with flash drives
Mar 05 12:08:30 <johnx_> some work at least
Mar 05 12:08:31 <LinuxCode> but as I hvanet tired
Mar 05 12:08:39 <johnx_> I'll test mine in a second here
Mar 05 12:08:41 <LinuxCode> Id rather take your word for it
Mar 05 12:08:46 <LinuxCode> than some sites
Mar 05 12:09:04 <LinuxCode> aka first hand experience
Mar 05 12:09:04 <johnx_> I know I had a flash drive not work with my zaurus usb-host but others did
Mar 05 12:09:25 <johnx_> some must be real pigs or tell lies about the amount of power they need
Mar 05 12:10:01 <yabbas> moo?
Mar 05 12:10:27 <LinuxCode> more than likely hehe
Mar 05 12:10:51 <johnx_> works great, even formatted as ext3
Mar 05 12:11:04 <LinuxCode> if there isnt one specific standard they all just make their own ways to measure stuff
Mar 05 12:11:51 <gomiam> argh, isn't there a way to tail -f the kernel messages
Mar 05 12:11:52 <gomiam> ?
Mar 05 12:12:01 <johnx_> gomiam, no
Mar 05 12:12:02 <yabbas> Can anyone point me in the right direction to create a menu shortcut on maemo?
Mar 05 12:12:38 <johnx_> yabbas, I'm pretty sure it's constructed out of .desktop files that live in /usr/share/hildon
Mar 05 12:12:50 <johnx_> those might give you an idea of how to do it
Mar 05 12:13:10 <yabbas> johnx_, tried looking at evinces, tweaking it - it states "X loading" and does nothing.
Mar 05 12:13:35 <yabbas> this despite me being able to load said application through an xterm
Mar 05 12:13:56 <yabbas> s/X/xyz
Mar 05 12:16:34 <gomiam> ok, now I'm getting some information
Mar 05 12:16:43 <jku> yabbas, you'll need a service file. See /usr/share/dbus-1/services/ (from memory)
Mar 05 12:17:21 <johnx_> and I seem to recall something about names needing to match in all places service, .desktop and someplace inside the app (?)
Mar 05 12:17:24 <yabbas> cheers jku - I'll have a looksie
Mar 05 12:17:35 <gomiam> I received a hub_suspend followed by a usb auto-suspend. What does that mean?
Mar 05 12:17:56 <johnx_> I don't know...I've heard mumbles about hubs not being supported though
Mar 05 12:18:03 <gomiam> oh
Mar 05 12:18:07 <johnx_> can you try plugging whatever it is in directly?
Mar 05 12:18:40 <gomiam> nope, no double female at hand yet
Mar 05 12:18:57 <johnx_> wait...how is it plugged into the hub?
Mar 05 12:19:20 <gomiam> I connect the tablet to the hub throught its own cable
Mar 05 12:19:25 <Koshi> ohh, is this about using the tablet as usb host?
Mar 05 12:19:32 <gomiam> and then connect the other peripheral to the same hub
Mar 05 12:20:00 <Delio> usb hubs do not work like that
Mar 05 12:20:21 <johnx_> yeah...either I'm confused or there is no way that can work...
Mar 05 12:20:28 <jku> yabbas, could be I'm talking out of my ass (it's been a while since I did that), check the tutorial if it doesn't work
Mar 05 12:20:30 <yabbas> weeeee :D it works - muchos thanks jku
Mar 05 12:20:35 <jku> :)
Mar 05 12:20:44 <johnx_> hmm?
Mar 05 12:20:53 * johnx_ must be very confused
Mar 05 12:20:56 <yabbas> now all I need to do is package it up :-/
Mar 05 12:21:18 <johnx_> ah, nevermind...lost track of the conversation...glad to hear it's working yabbas
Mar 05 12:21:32 <yabbas> danke schone  johnx_
Mar 05 12:21:44 <johnx_> :)
Mar 05 12:21:57 <gomiam> :/
Mar 05 12:21:58 <Delio> you are using an usb hub like an ethernet hub except usb distinguishes between host and devices
Mar 05 12:22:13 <gomiam> I guess I'll have to get a double female USB-A connector XD
Mar 05 12:22:19 <gomiam> Delio: oh, pity XD
Mar 05 12:22:27 <gomiam> stupid hub ;-D
Mar 05 12:22:50 <johnx_> female-female adapters are cheap at least
Mar 05 12:22:59 <Delio> eh ;)
Mar 05 12:23:08 <gomiam> yup, and it's not like I didn't need the hub, anyway
Mar 05 12:23:18 <Koshi> Hmm, just playing with f/f adapter here as well
Mar 05 12:23:43 <johnx_> yup...I have a nice little no-name keyboard plugged into my N800 via one
Mar 05 12:23:48 <Delio> mmm I should get myself one of those female to female adapters
Mar 05 12:24:09 <Koshi> But it appears not to like working with anything
Mar 05 12:24:15 * b0unc3 good morning
Mar 05 12:24:41 <johnx_> Koshi, what have you tried?
Mar 05 12:24:45 <johnx_> mornin' b0unc3
Mar 05 12:24:49 <yabbas> Delio, cheap as chips from DealExtreme.  I ended up buying two :)
Mar 05 12:24:59 <johnx_> mmm...chips
Mar 05 12:25:31 * yabbas still wants to get a microAB plug to create his own
Mar 05 12:26:46 <gomiam> "not findink double usb female konnektor" ;-)
Mar 05 12:27:14 <gomiam> (I'm looking at dealextreme)
Mar 05 12:27:28 <yabbas> lemme find it for ya - I ordered two last week
Mar 05 12:27:31 <Tama^3> test 123
Mar 05 12:27:53 <johnx_> 321 tset
Mar 05 12:28:04 <Tama^3> >.>
Mar 05 12:28:29 <yabbas> gomiam, SKU 2646 :)
Mar 05 12:28:42 <Tama^3> it appers to be working with my correct nick now
Mar 05 12:29:02 <gomiam> thanks
Mar 05 12:29:32 <yabbas> My plan is to get the microAB plug, solder a tiny ribbon cable to it, then stick SKU 7106to the back of the N810 for some memory luvvin goodness.  ;)
Mar 05 12:30:12 <johnx_> yeah, I have a truly random collection of things stuck out the side of my N800 now :/
Mar 05 12:30:22 <Tama^3> somehow before it switched to using my first name, but Ido not remember entering it anywhere on the tablet
Mar 05 12:30:40 * yabbas grins at johnx_ 
Mar 05 12:30:45 <yabbas> johnx_, whacha got there?
Mar 05 12:31:10 <johnx_> mini-b -> male A into a female A -> female A into a flash drive
Mar 05 12:31:10 <yabbas> Tama^3, the tablet is all knowing, all seeing.
Mar 05 12:31:20 <johnx_> all are just little adapters so there's no flex at all
Mar 05 12:31:25 <johnx_> it worries me a lot :|
Mar 05 12:31:49 <johnx_> it's ok when the keyboard plugged in on a flat surface, but with *that* assortment it's just begging to get snapped off
Mar 05 12:32:12 <yabbas> johnx_, aye worries me too...hence me looking at  making my own :(  Hama have a micro-usb cable for OTG devices  but I don't think its microAB :(
Mar 05 12:34:14 <yabbas> my thought  is that if  I have something like a small fragile ribbon cable soldered to the plug, any chance of bad flexing would simply screw  up the makeshift rig as opposed to screwing up the port
Mar 05 12:34:53 <yabbas> that and it should squeeze into the gap between the 810 and stand
Mar 05 12:35:17 <johnx_> I think I'll just stick with a "travel configuration" and a "stationary configuration"...especially since the stand needs to be out for USB anyways
Mar 05 12:35:28 <johnx_> that darn thing also feels fragile to me
Mar 05 12:35:32 <yabbas> hehe
Mar 05 12:36:11 * yabbas scrolls a window in hildon with his mousewheel and wishes a scrolly wheel was present on the ITs
Mar 05 12:39:21 <yabbas> Is there an easy way to debianize a .tar.gz for self-installation?  None of this dh_make stuff
Mar 05 12:39:33 <johnx_> dh_make is the easy way
Mar 05 12:39:53 <yabbas> bwah - dh_make fails to create the deb though
Mar 05 12:39:59 <jnbes> anyone know what is the default lock code for n810?
Mar 05 12:40:07 <johnx_> 12345
Mar 05 12:40:22 <jnbes> incorrect...
Mar 05 12:40:33 <johnx_> then I have no idea
Mar 05 12:40:42 <johnx_> 12345 was right for the N800, IIRC
Mar 05 12:41:08 <johnx_> yabbas, I feel your pain...I just had to make a .deb for a couple arch-independent files and it was still a PITA
Mar 05 12:41:30 <johnx_> I probably did it a million kinds of wrong as well...heh
Mar 05 12:41:31 <liri> it seems to me like the n800 is a bit slow/heavy on loading content rich websites like youtube
Mar 05 12:41:58 <johnx_> javascript and flash are slow
Mar 05 12:42:05 <yabbas> johnx_,  doing things wrong is my worry too :/  Man - RELEASING an app should be made easier!
Mar 05 12:42:10 <liri> is it any better in the n810 version?
Mar 05 12:42:18 <liri> because the software stack is the same
Mar 05 12:42:30 <johnx_> the N810 is the same CPU/RAM/mainboard
Mar 05 12:42:34 <johnx_> so no
Mar 05 12:42:41 <liri> ahh
Mar 05 12:43:05 <johnx_> maybe try flashblock and just click on flash you want to see?
Mar 05 12:43:05 <liri> I'm wondering what are the everyday things people are doing with the n800/810
Mar 05 12:43:30 <johnx_> light browsing, ebooks, music
Mar 05 12:43:41 <liri> I have only played with the n800 a little bit today, I'll do some more tomorrow
Mar 05 12:43:56 <koshi> Ok, had network issues, but a keyboard works fine via a female/female adapter :)
Mar 05 12:44:03 <johnx_> it's too easy for me to get sucked into youtube for hours...so I really try to avoid it O_o
Mar 05 12:44:04 <liri> I'm wondering how streaming videos off of vlc or something would be like
Mar 05 12:44:27 <yabbas> liri, what johnx said - plus DivX's, VOIP, and GPS navigation
Mar 05 12:44:38 <johnx_> there's a neat little auto-transcoding web based thing that someone was working on
Mar 05 12:44:50 <johnx_> and there's orb for windows of course
Mar 05 12:45:18 <liri> yabbas: divxs though have to be re-transcoded to play because it would probably be too heavy to play the normal movie files. what do you use for gps? (software)
Mar 05 12:45:21 <koshi> At first it complained how it could not mount a file system from a keyboard (obviously) but then just worked fine :D
Mar 05 12:45:37 <johnx_> koshi, it does that everytime :)
Mar 05 12:46:26 <yabbas> liri:  I'll be honest and say I've not transcoded most of the DivX's I download from the net - they just work.  There is slowdown in heavy heavy action scenes but I live with it :) easier than transcoding,heh
Mar 05 12:46:35 <koshi> Ahh I see, at first I didin't realise it worked as by usual debug of a machine try pressing num lock and see if it lights up. It didin't so I asusmed it just didin't work
Mar 05 12:46:51 <johnx_> both of you might be interested in this then: http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org/mediaserv.html
Mar 05 12:47:08 <johnx_> I played with it a while back. when it works it's pretty freaking cool :)
Mar 05 12:47:14 <yabbas> liri, GPS - I have a  code from Wayfinder so that's what I use.  Also wanna look into saving google map for offline usage with maemomapper.
Mar 05 12:47:50 <liri> looks nice
Mar 05 12:48:04 <liri> ahh yes
Mar 05 12:48:21 <liri> well gps from wayfinder requires internet access and on the road it isn't very common... at least here
Mar 05 12:48:31 <liri> googlemaps isn't good here either becasue the streets are not mapped :(
Mar 05 12:48:55 <yabbas> ?
Mar 05 12:48:55 <johnx_> well, that's no good :/
Mar 05 12:49:07 <yabbas> why does wayfinder gps need internet access?
Mar 05 12:49:11 <johnx_> I've heard that google maps' quality varies by country
Mar 05 12:49:34 <johnx_> wait...maemo-mapper requires inet access for maps. wayfinder doesn't I thought
Mar 05 12:49:41 <johnx_> (after the initial map download)
Mar 05 12:50:04 <aquatix> yeah
Mar 05 12:50:18 <yabbas> I'd like off-line satellite images for maemo-mapper simply because I get curious wondering what's over the fence :D
Mar 05 12:50:23 <liri> umm, I could be confusing things... what software do you use for the maps on the maemo?
Mar 05 12:50:44 <johnx_> there are two: "Maps" aka wayfinder, and maemo-mapper
Mar 05 12:51:02 <aquatix> wayfinder works offline fyi
Mar 05 12:51:24 <liri> so wayfinder are basically maps/program?
Mar 05 12:51:32 <aquatix> yes
Mar 05 12:51:52 <liri> ahh nice, I thought it was like an online service for the maps (like googlemaps)
Mar 05 12:52:11 <aquatix> no, that's the maemo-mapper program
Mar 05 12:52:18 <liri> do they have world wide maps?
Mar 05 12:52:27 <aquatix> not quite
Mar 05 12:52:27 <johnx_> kinda
Mar 05 12:52:33 <aquatix> but they cover a lot
Mar 05 12:52:49 <yabbas> wayfinder's pretty much a bog standard "no frills" gps navigation software.  Really wish we could parse their routable maps and create something better :(
Mar 05 12:53:26 <liri> what formats does wayfinder use for maps?
Mar 05 12:53:44 <johnx_> some vector format
Mar 05 12:53:56 <liri> it isn't like the igo format?
Mar 05 13:02:28 <aquatix> yay
Mar 05 13:02:35 <aquatix> got my boxwave screen protector
Mar 05 13:09:40 <mgedmin>   I have discovered that there are two types of command
Mar 05 13:09:42 <mgedmin> interfaces in the world of computing: good interfaces and
Mar 05 13:09:44 <mgedmin> user interfaces.
Mar 05 13:09:46 <mgedmin>  -- djb
Mar 05 13:12:37 <jnbes> johnx_, it was 12345.... me must have crappy fingers... could you slap my face with a big rotten trout please? :-)
Mar 05 13:12:52 * jnbes must go buy replacement fingers
Mar 05 13:13:34 <johnx_> meh...no trout here
Mar 05 13:13:38 <johnx_> don't worry about it
Mar 05 13:13:51 <johnx_> I'll just write an IOU if that's ok with you :)
Mar 05 13:14:14 <jnbes> iou?
Mar 05 13:14:27 <johnx_> I owe you one trout slap, signed johnx
Mar 05 13:14:30 <johnx_> :D
Mar 05 13:14:36 <jnbes> ok, fine
Mar 05 13:15:00 * czr prefers YOMs
Mar 05 13:15:24 <johnx_> czr, you wish I owed you a trout slap? O_o
Mar 05 13:15:39 <czr> johnx_, of course.
Mar 05 13:15:47 <czr> I'm that kind of boy.
Mar 05 13:15:53 * johnx_ kries
Mar 05 13:16:20 <johnx_> there are skeery people on the internet...
Mar 05 13:16:26 <jnbes> ..
Mar 05 13:20:17 <czr> johnx_, people? :-)
Mar 05 13:20:31 <aquatix> skeery?
Mar 05 13:20:36 * czr is pretty certain most nicks are just bots written in Tcl
Mar 05 13:20:50 <jaska_> atleast i hope im not written in tcl
Mar 05 13:20:57 <aquatix> ah, skeery
Mar 05 13:21:09 <czr> jaska_, it could be worse. GW Basic.
Mar 05 13:21:25 <johnx_> ti-basic is pretty bad too
Mar 05 13:22:29 <Juhaz> you can tell the language by how subtly they troll
Mar 05 13:22:46 <johnx_> ahaha :D
Mar 05 13:23:04 <Juhaz> the sad little spammers are clearly VBA macros running in MS Office
Mar 05 13:23:59 <jaska_> now look what you started :)
Mar 05 13:24:21 <johnx_> it's not my fault you're all written in tcl :P
Mar 05 13:24:31 <johnx_> also, gah, sapwood-server is being a PITA
Mar 05 13:25:05 <czr> johnx_, not all. most. :-)
Mar 05 13:25:15 <czr> some of the more silent ones are written in bf.
Mar 05 13:25:26 <czr> they're not too bright in general.
Mar 05 13:25:36 <johnx_> heh...there was a better one than bf that I saw the other day
Mar 05 13:26:47 * czr is pretty certain that most GTK+ coders are just latent bf-coders, being cranky.
Mar 05 13:29:01 <advhertz> hello there, I would like to know please how to install the statusbarclock, I mean, indeed I would like to know in which repository it exists. Instead using the "manual" .deb file installation I would like to install it using the debian APT/maemo Appl Man program. This is the link of the project https://garage.maemo.org/projects/statusbar-clock/
Mar 05 13:29:49 <johnx_> for OS2007 or OS2008?
Mar 05 13:30:08 <advhertz> johnx_, OS2008
Mar 05 13:30:46 <johnx_> I don't believe that it is available in a repository
Mar 05 13:31:16 <advhertz> I have both "installed" yet the extra and extra-devel maemo repository...
Mar 05 13:31:17 <advhertz> mhh...
Mar 05 13:31:19 <advhertz> really?
Mar 05 13:31:56 <johnx_> most repositories are listed on gronmayer.com/it . If you search for statusbarclock you can see that it's not available from any of them
Mar 05 13:33:31 <johnx_> czr, check out the malbolge language...it went years without a hello world...
Mar 05 13:35:00 <czr> johnx_, haha.
Mar 05 13:35:02 <advhertz> johnx_, ok Thanks!
Mar 05 13:35:06 <czr> it looks like Perl++.
Mar 05 13:35:56 <johnx_> the person who appears to have gotten the farthest with it programmed using cryptanalysis techniques O_o
Mar 05 13:37:18 <shackan> with what?
Mar 05 13:37:57 <johnx_> shackan, malbolge...an "esoteric" programming language
Mar 05 13:38:27 <ccooke> It's a fun language
Mar 05 13:41:07 * Jaffa ponders this Silverlight news. Were MS planning a Linux port anyway, as that'd be enormous news making the front of /. (/me then wonders if Nokia PR are slightly inaccurate about this)
Mar 05 13:41:37 <johnx_> well, moonlight has been in progress for a while, IIRC
Mar 05 13:42:14 * aquatix doesn't care about light from redmond
Mar 05 13:43:28 <Jaffa> johnx_: Nokia and MS both advocating a Mono-based solution? I doubt it.
Mar 05 13:43:51 <Jaffa> aquatix: personally, I don't care either - but the politics are important; and I know a lot of people who will care.
Mar 05 13:44:12 <aquatix> myeah
Mar 05 13:44:25 <johnx_> I thought moonlight/mono was at least not completely condemned by MS?
Mar 05 13:45:33 <Jaffa> johnx_: not sure. I know there's still enough doubt over it and patents. If it were Moonlight-based, I'd've expected Novell to be mentioned in the PR (although admittedly it was dealing with S60 primarily; S40 & ITOS were relegated to a footnote saying "watch this space")
Mar 05 13:46:26 <johnx_> hmm...I wonder if S60/S40 will have one implementation and ITOS will have another
Mar 05 13:54:30 <DaniloCesar> Will maemo accept projects in soc2008?
Mar 05 13:55:59 <plb> can you format a memory card within the n800?
Mar 05 13:56:04 <johnx_> yes
Mar 05 13:56:14 <plb> how does one do this? ;]
Mar 05 13:56:22 <johnx_> in file manager :)
Mar 05 13:57:07 <johnx_> select memory card, menu -> tools -> format
Mar 05 13:57:27 <plb> thanks
Mar 05 14:00:55 <plb> also, that nokia tablet software update wizard is capable of reformating the n800 right
Mar 05 14:00:58 <plb> ?
Mar 05 14:01:24 <johnx_> yup...it "reflashes" the device, erasing everything on the internal flash
Mar 05 14:01:35 <johnx_> gah...I should sleep
Mar 05 14:01:39 <johnx_> 'night all
Mar 05 14:02:12 <plb> thanks
Mar 05 14:02:15 <plb> night
Mar 05 14:02:20 <plb> morning for me ;]
Mar 05 14:10:14 <plb> hm howcome I have an update to the application map but it won't let me install it? says it's from another source? And I just put os2008 on here
Mar 05 14:12:45 <SDuensin> Morning.
Mar 05 14:19:52 <plb> hm when you install something from maemo.org it automatically adds the repo to your source?
Mar 05 14:23:42 <plb> ah nm
Mar 05 14:23:53 <plb> maemo extras is already in but disabled by default
Mar 05 15:00:55 <plb> hrm this youtube plugin for canola2 looks nice
Mar 05 15:01:00 <plb> wonder how long till we see it
Mar 05 15:06:11 <achadwick> Anyone else getting a dangling   arm-none-linux-gnueabi-cc -> arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc  symlink when trying to use maemo-sdk for Ubuntu gutsy?
Mar 05 15:09:05 <k-s> plb: we're finishing last bits
Mar 05 15:09:21 <plb> k-s: awesome, can't wait
Mar 05 15:09:21 <k-s> also working on last.fm
Mar 05 15:09:36 <plb> I actually haven't even tried canola yet..just got my n800 yesterday ;]
Mar 05 15:09:53 <plb> k-s: aweseom +2 ;]
Mar 05 15:09:59 <plb> er
Mar 05 15:10:01 <plb> aweseom even
Mar 05 15:10:22 <k-s> and they'll be open source so people can extend canola
Mar 05 15:10:34 <plb> only things I've installed so far are mplayer and pidgin
Mar 05 15:10:38 <k-s> we still need some hooks so plugins can act, but these will come with time
Mar 05 15:10:48 <k-s> and requirements, as we hate overthinking ;-)
Mar 05 15:10:53 <plb> hehe
Mar 05 15:52:11 <lopz> hola
Mar 05 16:10:00 <LinuxCode> hello
Mar 05 16:11:28 <LinuxCode> later all...time to have a kip
Mar 05 16:12:06 <KotCzarny> yawn, re
Mar 05 16:15:23 <pupnik_> an arm-optimized fmopl would benefit a lot of projects
Mar 05 16:19:08 <texel> Good morning, folks.
Mar 05 16:19:20 <jamey> what is fmopl?
Mar 05 16:20:00 <pupnik> a FM-synthesis chip for sound generation used in mame, dosbox, and a number of game engines
Mar 05 16:20:13 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 16:20:25 <pupnik> it would best to run it on the dsp
Mar 05 16:20:43 <pupnik> the rest of the sound blaster could be on the ARM
Mar 05 16:20:53 <KotCzarny> why
Mar 05 16:21:02 <KotCzarny> pcm tasks would be usefull
Mar 05 16:21:18 <KotCzarny> i think..
Mar 05 16:21:34 <pupnik> because many projects could use the fmopl on dsp directly, and a sound blaster on dsp would only be useful to dosbox
Mar 05 16:21:57 <pupnik> also if you look at cpu use, only the fmopl chip takes up much time
Mar 05 16:22:08 <pupnik> the rest of the sb is just some signalling and sound buffering
Mar 05 16:22:28 <KotCzarny> pcm mixing can take some cpu too
Mar 05 16:22:37 <KotCzarny> especially many chans
Mar 05 16:22:39 <texel> KotCzarny: SB's weren't multichannel.
Mar 05 16:22:48 <texel> Only the AWE was, and that was in a strange way. =op
Mar 05 16:23:00 <texel> Multichannel mixing was always done in hardware.
Mar 05 16:23:11 <texel> Now the GUS, OTOH... =o)
Mar 05 16:23:16 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 16:23:32 * texel would've given her eye-teeth for a GUS back in the days of the XTs.
Mar 05 16:24:12 <KotCzarny> and you would have regret it today
Mar 05 16:24:14 <KotCzarny> ;)
Mar 05 16:24:20 <KotCzarny> teeth and eyes are important ;)
Mar 05 16:24:40 <texel> Nah. Not really -- my eye-teeth just bite down on the inside of my lips, mostly. =op
Mar 05 16:24:59 <KotCzarny> you would be amazed how much you will miss them
Mar 05 16:25:01 <KotCzarny> :P
Mar 05 16:25:02 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 16:25:04 <texel> Hehe
Mar 05 16:26:38 <hltpyldr> Hello!  I have been looking for a C compiler for the N800 and have not been able to locate one on the maemo website or anywhere on the web.  Surely there must be a C compiler available for the N800.  Could someone please point me in the right direction?  Thanks!
Mar 05 16:26:58 <KotCzarny> hltpyldr: do you need gcc or sdk?
Mar 05 16:27:22 <KotCzarny> ie. you want to use it on nokia or prefer to just copy binaries from pc?
Mar 05 16:27:25 <hltpyldr> Probably gcc I believe.  Just for simple C programs that I will be writing in class.
Mar 05 16:27:52 <KotCzarny> gcc and stuff is available
Mar 05 16:28:01 <KotCzarny> though i don't remember exatcly from which repos
Mar 05 16:28:10 <KotCzarny> if you don't have to enable them in a special way
Mar 05 16:29:24 <hltpyldr> Ok, thank you.  I'll look around for gcc then and see if I can locate something.  Thanks!
Mar 05 16:29:25 <KotCzarny> try: apt-get install gcc
Mar 05 16:29:40 <KotCzarny> maybe it's already available
Mar 05 16:30:59 <hltpyldr> I have not tried apt-gett'ing with the n800.  I was not sure if I would screw anything up since it's got the ARM processor and all.  Apt-get will work for installing apps (assuming that what I am looking for is in the repo)??
Mar 05 16:31:12 <KotCzarny> nope, it's safe
Mar 05 16:31:25 <hltpyldr> that's great!  i'll try it.
Mar 05 16:31:32 <KotCzarny> unless you start playing with --force
Mar 05 16:31:41 <KotCzarny> but that can break regular debian too
Mar 05 16:31:41 <KotCzarny> ;)
Mar 05 16:32:33 <hltpyldr> do I need to be sudo?
Mar 05 16:32:40 <texel> hltpyldr: you need root, certainly.
Mar 05 16:32:48 <hltpyldr> k
Mar 05 16:33:03 <KotCzarny> ssh could be convenient for that
Mar 05 16:33:04 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 16:33:09 <texel> hltpyldr: fortunately, the apt repositories defined for the N800 are also ARM, so you're safe doing an apt-get install, etc.
Mar 05 16:34:33 <hltpyldr> texel: that's great to know, thanks!
Mar 05 16:35:04 <KotCzarny> another happy customer, *ding*
Mar 05 16:35:09 <KotCzarny> that would be 5E
Mar 05 16:35:10 <KotCzarny> ;)
Mar 05 16:37:21 <texel> 5E?
Mar 05 16:38:06 <KotCzarny> 5 EUR
Mar 05 16:38:06 <texel> Ahh.
Mar 05 16:38:06 <hltpyldr> looks like there are several dependencies and it won't install them.  it suggests that I use apt-get -f ...
Mar 05 16:38:09 <GeneralAntilles> liri, http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=What_can_I_do_with_this_thing%3F
Mar 05 16:38:38 <KotCzarny> -f refreshed package lists, doesn't it?
Mar 05 16:38:42 <texel> GeneralAntilles: Interesting writeup on that page, btw -- sounds like you make extensive use of the thing. =o)
Mar 05 16:38:43 <KotCzarny> refreshes
Mar 05 16:38:49 <texel> No.
Mar 05 16:38:53 <texel> -f forces an install.
Mar 05 16:38:59 <hltpyldr> So -f is different from --force?
Mar 05 16:39:00 <texel> apt-get update refreshes your package lists.
Mar 05 16:39:07 <KotCzarny> ah, you're right
Mar 05 16:39:15 <GeneralAntilles> I encourage anybody interested to add their own story.
Mar 05 16:39:23 <KotCzarny> hltpyldr: don't force, satisfy
Mar 05 16:39:24 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 16:39:44 <texel> GeneralAntilles: I probably will -- once I head out to Israel for my two week vacation. =o)
Mar 05 16:39:53 <hltpyldr> I'll try update and upgrade and see if that solves it.
Mar 05 16:40:14 <KotCzarny> and choose a easier nick to type on irc
Mar 05 16:40:15 <KotCzarny> ;)
Mar 05 16:40:18 <KotCzarny> an
Mar 05 16:40:38 <GeneralAntilles> It's called tab-completion.
Mar 05 16:40:47 <KotCzarny> it's called brain laziness
Mar 05 16:40:57 <texel> Tab-completion is brain laziness of the first order. =o)
Mar 05 16:41:37 <texel> Yay! My qemu build finished. =o)
Mar 05 16:41:48 <KotCzarny> reminds me of all those automatically generated spam ;)
Mar 05 16:42:10 * texel shrugs
Mar 05 16:44:31 <hltpyldr> KotCzarny: texel: Thank you for your help.  I have run apt-get update and upgrade and not all updates were made due to dependency issues.  Still won't install gcc, but when I have more time, I'll install the dependencies.
Mar 05 16:44:46 <hltpyldr> I need to leave now, but I wanted to thank you for your help!
Mar 05 16:44:48 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 16:45:09 <hltpyldr> Have a great day!  I'm psyched that apt-get works!!!  Cheers!
Mar 05 16:45:29 <KotCzarny> now, that was positive ;)
Mar 05 16:46:02 <texel> That just gave me a big warm fuzzy feeling inside. =o)
Mar 05 16:51:17 <texel> Any chance someone could show me what their /media/mmc2 line looks like in their /etc/fstab at all?
Mar 05 16:51:29 <texel> (hopefully on an N810, but an N800 would work as well)
Mar 05 16:51:37 * texel thinks she may have goofed up the line somehow
Mar 05 16:51:48 <texel> ...and I need to compare it to the stock /etc/fstab
Mar 05 16:52:51 <GeneralAntilles> mmc2 isn't mentioned. :\
Mar 05 16:53:04 <GeneralAntilles>  /dev/mmcblk0p1  /media/mmc1 vfat rw,noauto,nodev,noexec,nosuid,utf8,uid=29999 0 0
Mar 05 16:53:09 <KotCzarny> txel: it's mounted from scripts
Mar 05 16:53:09 <texel> That works, too. =o)
Mar 05 16:53:17 <KotCzarny> ga: you don's have noatime
Mar 05 16:53:19 <KotCzarny> ;)
Mar 05 16:53:26 <texel> KotCzarny: the scripts just do a simple "sudo mount /mount/mmc#"
Mar 05 16:53:27 <GeneralAntilles> It's stock, Kot.
Mar 05 16:53:31 <KotCzarny> and probably for / neither
Mar 05 16:53:38 <texel> So if the fstab is written wrong, they won't mount properly.
Mar 05 16:53:41 <texel> Or mount at all.
Mar 05 16:53:47 <texel> GeneralAntilles: thanks. =o)
Mar 05 16:53:58 <KotCzarny> texel: i believe it launches mount-mmc script
Mar 05 16:53:59 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 16:54:08 <b0unc3> /usr/sbin/mmc-mount
Mar 05 16:54:18 <KotCzarny> which will detect both cards
Mar 05 16:54:20 <KotCzarny> or something
Mar 05 16:54:22 <texel> Right.
Mar 05 16:56:17 <texel> Perfect.
Mar 05 16:56:28 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 16:56:29 <texel> Okay, so adding those options made mount /media/mmc2 behave properly.
Mar 05 16:56:36 <texel> I had a bunch of weird ones in there.
Mar 05 16:56:50 <texel> Like fmod=0666 and dmod=0000.
Mar 05 16:56:55 <KotCzarny> also adding quiet as mount option is convenient
Mar 05 16:56:57 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 16:57:03 <texel> I don't think the kernel understood what those options meant, so mount was failing.
Mar 05 16:57:33 <KotCzarny>  /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /media/mmc2 type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,noatime,uid=29999,fmask=0133,dmask=0000,codepage=cp437,iocharset=iso8859-1,shortname=mixed,quiet,utf8)
Mar 05 16:57:59 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 16:58:03 <KotCzarny> those are mine
Mar 05 17:09:17 <KotCzarny> cool
Mar 05 17:09:19 <KotCzarny> split again
Mar 05 17:11:40 <KotCzarny> umkay
Mar 05 17:11:49 <KotCzarny> so preliminary fitting is done
Mar 05 17:11:58 <KotCzarny> anyone wants to try kcbatt ?
Mar 05 17:11:59 <KotCzarny> ;)
Mar 05 17:12:57 <pupnik>   what is kobatt?
Mar 05 17:13:02 <KotCzarny> kcbatt
Mar 05 17:13:21 <KotCzarny> it's a retu-adc.c but upgraded for n800
Mar 05 17:14:22 <texel> retu-adc.c? O.o
Mar 05 17:14:37 <KotCzarny> tells you how much battery charge still left
Mar 05 17:14:40 <KotCzarny> in percent
Mar 05 17:14:43 <texel> Ahh.
Mar 05 17:14:48 <texel> Where does it live?
Mar 05 17:14:55 <KotCzarny> ?
Mar 05 17:14:57 <texel> In the CLI, or as a plugin somewhere?
Mar 05 17:15:03 <KotCzarny> right now in cli
Mar 05 17:15:06 <texel> Ahh.
Mar 05 17:15:14 <KotCzarny> because i needed algorithm working first
Mar 05 17:15:18 * texel nods
Mar 05 17:15:20 <texel> Makes sense.
Mar 05 17:15:25 <GeneralAntilles> I'm assuming more is coming? We've already got percentage: http://nitapps.com/
Mar 05 17:15:26 <texel> Is it packaged up, or just a raw binary?
Mar 05 17:15:47 <KotCzarny> raw binary
Mar 05 17:16:05 <texel> Holy crap, where did all that come from? =o)
Mar 05 17:16:19 <KotCzarny> ga: where's the source?
Mar 05 17:16:33 <KotCzarny> Note: Because battery-status relies on DBus signaling, running it has the unfortunate side effect of activating the battery applet. I will try to find a workaround for this.
Mar 05 17:16:44 <KotCzarny> mine uses raw access to /dev/retu
Mar 05 17:16:45 <KotCzarny> :P
Mar 05 17:17:19 <KotCzarny> so, who has n8x0 and wants to test my algorithm?
Mar 05 17:20:18 <KotCzarny> and when i finish my rundown tests i will add times as well
Mar 05 17:26:43 <KotCzarny> anyway, here it is: http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/kcbatt/
Mar 05 17:28:42 <KotCzarny> please let me know how well it works
Mar 05 17:28:50 <KotCzarny> algo is v0.1 :)
Mar 05 17:28:51 <pupnik> ty
Mar 05 17:29:50 <texel> Interesting output.
Mar 05 17:29:53 <texel> While charging, I get:
Mar 05 17:30:01 <texel> retu-adc #8: -1 n800: -148%
Mar 05 17:30:25 <texel> And with the charger disconnected.
Mar 05 17:33:03 <KotCzarny> on n800 ?
Mar 05 17:34:26 <texel> Mind you, according to DBUS, I have a full charge.
Mar 05 17:34:26 <texel> This is on an N810.
Mar 05 17:34:26 <texel> Well, you asked for an n8x0, so I figured that applied equally to the N810. =op
Mar 05 17:34:26 <texel> I'm afraid I don't have an N800 to test with.
Mar 05 17:34:28 <KotCzarny> which nokia do you have?
Mar 05 17:34:35 <texel> N810 here.
Mar 05 17:34:39 <KotCzarny> ah that will explain
Mar 05 17:34:56 <KotCzarny> 770 used another retu field
Mar 05 17:35:01 <texel> Ahh.
Mar 05 17:35:02 <ac7ss> is there a shell command that will return the battery charge (N810)
Mar 05 17:35:16 <KotCzarny> ac7ss: i'm working on it
Mar 05 17:35:16 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 17:35:31 <KotCzarny> texel: wanna show me your adc?
Mar 05 17:35:39 <texel> Erm... how? =op
Mar 05 17:35:43 <KotCzarny> moment
Mar 05 17:35:49 <texel> ac7ss: one that currently works (though with a rather annoying bug) is at http://nitapps.com/
Mar 05 17:37:43 <KotCzarny> texel: same dir
Mar 05 17:37:43 <ac7ss> oooh, just what I was looking for. (I see a few I wanted to write)
Mar 05 17:38:35 <KotCzarny> erm. wait
Mar 05 17:38:57 <KotCzarny> ahm, ok, go on
Mar 05 17:39:01 <KotCzarny> fixed one bug :)
Mar 05 17:40:14 <texel> Well, I'm afraid I can't stick around any longer.
Mar 05 17:40:19 <texel> I have to get into work.
Mar 05 17:40:29 <KotCzarny> let me know when you get back
Mar 05 17:40:31 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 17:40:35 <texel> Sure.
Mar 05 17:40:46 <KotCzarny> my guess fix is as simple as selecting another field
Mar 05 17:42:02 * texel nods
Mar 05 17:42:32 <texel> Okay, out~!
Mar 05 17:42:36 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 17:46:57 <KotCzarny> ssvb :)
Mar 05 17:47:18 <ssvb> hi KotCzarny :)
Mar 05 17:47:33 <KotCzarny> which nokia do you have?
Mar 05 17:47:44 <febb>  Hello !
Mar 05 17:48:55 * febb Looking for someone who has a Nokia 770 and can transfer a file from the Operating system (video: Discovery.avi) to me trough IRC.
Mar 05 17:49:04 <KotCzarny> o.O
Mar 05 17:49:55 <ac7ss> I can't install the repository from nitapps. :( I want GPS-Time.
Mar 05 17:49:59 <ssvb> KotCzarny: 770 and N800, I also have still unused N810 developer's device program discount code :)
Mar 05 17:50:22 <KotCzarny> ssvd: can you help me testing my program on n770/n800 ?
Mar 05 17:50:22 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 17:51:59 <febb> ssvb: Do you have a 770 on hand now?
Mar 05 17:52:55 <jaska_> ooh almost 10h uptime and no reboot
Mar 05 17:52:59 <ssvb> febb: yes
Mar 05 17:53:22 <febb> ssvb: Do you still have on your 770 the demo video from Discovery channel "Discovery.avi" ?
Mar 05 17:53:49 <ssvb> febb: unfortunately I deleted it to save space
Mar 05 17:54:20 <febb> ssvb : well, thx anyway :)       Hope someone still has it available on their 770.
Mar 05 17:55:38 <Juhaz> you could always dig it from the firmware image.
Mar 05 17:56:18 <febb> Juhaz: yeah, that is my last resort... Gotta find out how the firmware image is "built"..and then get into it...
Mar 05 17:56:30 <ssvb> KotCzarny: Can't promise anything, I'm quite short of spare time lately
Mar 05 17:56:46 <KotCzarny> ssvb: simple download, run and paste results to me
Mar 05 17:56:47 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 17:57:58 <Juhaz> febb, there's a flasher option. --unpack, -u  Unpack a FIASCO image
Mar 05 17:58:21 <henrique> hi, anyone knows where microb store the list of sites opened?
Mar 05 17:58:59 <ssvb> KotCzarny: ok, I can try this in about an hour
Mar 05 17:58:59 <febb> Juhaz:  that's good news. I suppose it unpacks the image into to the local pc disk...
Mar 05 17:59:04 <Juhaz> or http://maemo.org/community/wiki/Flasher_tool_usage/#2835bd18b76fb0352af794c2c00923e5
Mar 05 17:59:04 <KotCzarny> great, thx :)
Mar 05 17:59:22 <Juhaz> febb, yep
Mar 05 17:59:24 <febb> Juhaz:  thx!
Mar 05 17:59:31 <febb> let me look at it right now.
Mar 05 17:59:33 <ssvb> now I need to go offline, see you later
Mar 05 17:59:37 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 17:59:48 <febb> Juhaz: that is with flasher 3.0, right?
Mar 05 17:59:56 <Juhaz> any version, probably.
Mar 05 18:00:04 <febb> ok, let me check.
Mar 05 18:00:06 <febb> thx
Mar 05 18:02:54 <febb> downloading the image now.....
Mar 05 18:03:19 <febb> the flasher's -u option does not work on the "regular" firmware image.  Getting the FIASCO one now.
Mar 05 18:08:45 <GeneralAntilles> febb, they're all FIASCO.
Mar 05 18:08:58 <GeneralAntilles> ./flasher-3.0 -F <image> -u
Mar 05 18:09:10 <KotCzarny> quite unfortunate name for a product
Mar 05 18:09:11 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 18:09:20 <GeneralAntilles> It's not a "product".
Mar 05 18:09:29 <KotCzarny> part of the product
Mar 05 18:09:34 <KotCzarny> is a product too
Mar 05 18:10:44 <febb> GeneralAntilles:  mmmm wierd, let me double check why that -u option did not work then.....
Mar 05 18:11:19 <inz> febb, did you give both -u and -F?
Mar 05 18:11:52 <febb> yep.... and the flasher has +x permissions.... ..
Mar 05 18:12:05 <febb> ah !  got it, it downloads with an extra "," (comma) at the end.
Mar 05 18:13:14 <febb> ok, worked... now I suppose I got to mount that root image... on a loop device....    correct?
Mar 05 18:13:14 <Drges> KotCzarny, pfft
Mar 05 18:13:20 <KotCzarny> drges: ?
Mar 05 18:14:10 <Juhaz>  it's not even part of a product. it's temporary storage for a part, like styrofoam packing.
Mar 05 18:14:13 <Drges> It's a fucking image format, not a product.
Mar 05 18:14:43 <Drges> s/format/compression method/
Mar 05 18:14:43 <infobot> Drges meant: It's a fucking image compression method, not a product.
Mar 05 18:14:54 <KotCzarny> yes, and you buy your products in shops without containers
Mar 05 18:15:10 <GeneralAntilles> It never stops.
Mar 05 18:15:13 <GeneralAntilles> He can't turn off.
Mar 05 18:15:31 <Drges> KotCzarny, I buy my gumballs out of gumball machines
Mar 05 18:15:59 <KotCzarny> gumball machine is a packaging too
Mar 05 18:16:04 <Drges> The machine is as much of the product as the air around it
Mar 05 18:16:06 <KotCzarny> but one you cannot take
Mar 05 18:16:10 <Drges> and the light that hits it
Mar 05 18:16:21 <KotCzarny> marketing is a part of the product
Mar 05 18:16:22 <KotCzarny> lol
Mar 05 18:16:26 <KotCzarny> k-lined?
Mar 05 18:16:45 <GNUton> Hi
Mar 05 18:16:58 <Drges> and the delivery truck, the men who delivered it, the paycheck that they recieve
Mar 05 18:17:00 <Drges> from the profits that the corporations get
Mar 05 18:17:05 <Drges> from the money we pay them
Mar 05 18:17:10 <Drges> from the work we do
Mar 05 18:17:10 <KotCzarny> drges: yes
Mar 05 18:17:19 <Drges> The point being, why does it fucking matter?
Mar 05 18:17:24 <Drges> EVERYTHING is part of the product.
Mar 05 18:17:28 <KotCzarny> yes
Mar 05 18:17:38 <KotCzarny> otherwise it won't be a product
Mar 05 18:18:07 <Drges> Quite the tangent there
Mar 05 18:19:29 <Drges> GNUton, Hi
Mar 05 18:20:40 <GNUton> hey Drges!
Mar 05 18:20:41 <Drges> Oh yeah, I remembered what i was going to say
Mar 05 18:21:15 <GNUton> amnesia! :P
Mar 05 18:22:12 <Drges> KotCzarny, quit being such a pussy, you tried to cover yourself by slightly modifying your incorrect statement into a statement that's impossible be wrong.  Admit your fagness and get it over with.  There are many people sick of your attitude.
Mar 05 18:22:30 <KotCzarny> so what?
Mar 05 18:22:36 <KotCzarny> you have attitude too
Mar 05 18:22:49 <KotCzarny> you don't like me? /ignore to the rescue
Mar 05 18:23:09 <Drges> KotCzarny, all of it is directed towards you, your attitude is towards everyone in the room
Mar 05 18:23:58 <henrique> well, the browser history seems to be stored at ~/.opera/global.dat -- anyone knows how is this file structured?
Mar 05 18:24:26 <KotCzarny> drges: i'm not a problem, i can be wrong, but i don't call other people names just because i don't like their attitude
Mar 05 18:24:31 <KotCzarny> that's childish
Mar 05 18:25:00 <Drges> KotCzarny, no, you're more of an asshole about it
Mar 05 18:25:06 <KotCzarny> see?
Mar 05 18:25:15 <KotCzarny> you did it again
Mar 05 18:25:15 <Drges> At least I have the balls to be direct.
Mar 05 18:25:16 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 18:25:16 <Juhaz> why don't you take your pissing match to /msg so everyone else doesn't have to use ignore?
Mar 05 18:25:22 <KotCzarny> it's not the balls
Mar 05 18:25:31 <KotCzarny> it's just childish 'calling names'
Mar 05 18:25:46 <Drges> KotCzarny, and you're not doing the same with me at this moment?
Mar 05 18:25:49 <KotCzarny> juhaz: it's them that have problem
Mar 05 18:26:07 <KotCzarny> drges: nope, i'm just defending myself :)
Mar 05 18:26:36 <Drges> Uh-huh
Mar 05 18:26:40 <yabbas> Juhaz++
Mar 05 18:28:25 <Drges> henrique, it's a tree structure
Mar 05 18:28:31 <Drges> saved as plaintext
Mar 05 18:28:50 <Drges> at least it should be
Mar 05 18:34:48 <henrique> Dregs, why do you think so?
Mar 05 18:35:02 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, Dregs! What the hell?!
Mar 05 18:35:50 <Drges> henrique, think what?
Mar 05 18:36:12 <henrique> Dregs, that it should be a tree structure?
Mar 05 18:36:20 <Mousey> flap flap
Mar 05 18:36:25 <henrique> Dregs, and do you have some link about this?
Mar 05 18:38:09 <yabbas> right ... I'm editing the control file to build a deb.  In the "Build-Depends" section - do I list JUST the build dependencies required to compile?  Or should I list packages that are also required to use the application?
Mar 05 18:38:23 <KotCzarny> yabbas: runtime
Mar 05 18:38:33 <yabbas> ty KotCzarny
Mar 05 18:38:42 <KotCzarny> unless you make a source-deb package
Mar 05 18:38:58 <KotCzarny> ah, sorry
Mar 05 18:39:05 <KotCzarny> wrong.
Mar 05 18:39:09 <KotCzarny> you're right
Mar 05 18:39:17 <yabbas> hmm, hokay.
Mar 05 18:39:29 <KotCzarny> in depends is runtime
Mar 05 18:39:30 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 18:39:53 <yabbas> so despite the port needing imagemagik I shouldn't list it there as the compilation didn't need it?
Mar 05 18:39:55 <briand> "ah, sorry"  "you're right"  ...I think you're qualified to enter into a relationship with women, now.  You've unlocked the secret.  ;)
Mar 05 18:40:08 <KotCzarny> briand: nope, i'm very stubborn
Mar 05 18:40:22 <briand> yes, but you've learned the two magic phrases!
Mar 05 18:40:24 <KotCzarny> i'm i know i'm right :)
Mar 05 18:40:36 <KotCzarny> s/^i'm/if/
Mar 05 18:41:00 <KotCzarny> briand: which nokia do you have?
Mar 05 18:41:10 <briand> i've got the _right_ one!  ;)
Mar 05 18:41:16 <briand> umm.. the n800
Mar 05 18:41:16 <yabbas> *repeat*:  so despite the port needing imagemagik I shouldn't list it there as the compilation didn't need it?  ;)
Mar 05 18:41:26 * lcuk is knackered
Mar 05 18:41:45 * lcuk calls for a medic
Mar 05 18:42:07 <KotCzarny> briand: can you help me testing my batt util?
Mar 05 18:42:08 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 18:42:11 * GeneralAntilles hits the wrong button and shivs lcuk instead.
Mar 05 18:42:24 <briand> if (knackered == medicated) { print "no you don't!";
Mar 05 18:42:29 <onion> got 4 more frames with vfp, not too bad
Mar 05 18:42:30 <briand> oops.
Mar 05 18:42:45 <briand> s/";$/"};/
Mar 05 18:42:51 <lcuk> knackered == an hour of mario vs sonic at the olypmics
Mar 05 18:43:02 <briand> KotCzarny: batt util?
Mar 05 18:43:18 <KotCzarny> to print remaining charge
Mar 05 18:43:32 <KotCzarny> from command line :)
Mar 05 18:43:42 <briand> two questions, well, three now...
Mar 05 18:43:56 <briand> 1) do you have an n800, or another device
Mar 05 18:44:00 <KotCzarny> n800
Mar 05 18:44:00 <briand> 2) has it been bricked?
Mar 05 18:44:05 <KotCzarny> no
Mar 05 18:44:05 <briand> 3) where's the GUI ??
Mar 05 18:44:15 <KotCzarny> gui has batt status already
Mar 05 18:44:21 <KotCzarny> i need one that i can run in scripts
Mar 05 18:44:27 <KotCzarny> that's the reason :)
Mar 05 18:44:31 <briand> sh or pl?
Mar 05 18:44:34 <briand> (or both?)
Mar 05 18:44:35 <KotCzarny> c
Mar 05 18:44:48 <KotCzarny> can be done in pl i guess
Mar 05 18:44:48 <briand> c would be source, not script
Mar 05 18:45:10 <KotCzarny> but i don't want to depend on perl
Mar 05 18:45:27 <lcuk> why use a command line tool when its simple to do it yourself, just use command line util to take a screenshot, send it to an online printer, get them to fax the results back put it on a wooden table, take a picture and finally ocr it
Mar 05 18:45:29 <KotCzarny> batt=`kcbatt -q`;
Mar 05 18:45:43 <Drges> henrique, it was off of an old opera doc
Mar 05 18:45:47 <lcuk> battery status == simple ;)
Mar 05 18:45:48 <briand> depend on?  nah... just make an optional perl module that will _also_ use the app to get results.  :)
Mar 05 18:45:56 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 18:46:04 <briand> see?  I just doubled your software output, and you didn't need to do anything.
Mar 05 18:46:18 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 18:46:23 <Drges> henrique, I don't know about the tree, but it's ASCII title, ASCII URL, and then ASCII Date/Time
Mar 05 18:46:24 <KotCzarny> anyway, can you try it?
Mar 05 18:46:27 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 18:46:31 <henrique> Dregs, I need to parse that file and get the list of sites accessed
Mar 05 18:46:50 <briand> sure, why not (and why me?)
Mar 05 18:47:05 <KotCzarny> mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/kcbatt/
Mar 05 18:47:30 <henrique> Dregs, right! this is what I think too, but what about the last data (most of time being "-1") ?
Mar 05 18:47:34 <Drges> henrique, the date/time in unix time format
Mar 05 18:47:44 <briand> oh, how boring.. a 'standard' dyndns addy?   didn't like the .is-a-geek.com domain?  ;)
Mar 05 18:48:00 <Drges> -1 is when you've closed the browser
Mar 05 18:48:03 <Drges> I believe
Mar 05 18:48:05 <KotCzarny> briand: that was first i go
Mar 05 18:48:16 <KotCzarny> and my d-link only supoorted dyndns
Mar 05 18:48:17 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 18:48:39 <briand> yes, but dyndns allows you to pick a domain other than dyndns...
Mar 05 18:48:39 <KotCzarny> and later i was too lazy to change dyndns provider :)
Mar 05 18:48:44 <KotCzarny> oh
Mar 05 18:48:47 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 18:48:52 <Drges> henrique, not "when" you've closed it, but the point in the history list where you did
Mar 05 18:48:53 * briand is briand.is-a-geek.com
Mar 05 18:48:53 <KotCzarny> but dyndns.org is shorter
Mar 05 18:48:58 <KotCzarny> and easier to remember
Mar 05 18:48:59 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 18:49:01 <briand> well, not me... but my mythtv box
Mar 05 18:49:43 <briand> anyway.. ftp?  http?  what protocol are you running on port 23280 ?
Mar 05 18:49:46 <KotCzarny> http
Mar 05 18:50:25 <briand> http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/kcbatt/  then...
Mar 05 18:50:25 <henrique> Dregs, what does "point" means?
Mar 05 18:50:53 <Drges> henrique, I don't know.  It just writes a -1 whenever you close the browser
Mar 05 18:50:57 <KotCzarny> i have added 770 mode
Mar 05 18:51:15 <KotCzarny> and i will add 810 when i get someone to report adc values
Mar 05 18:51:15 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 18:51:24 <Drges> henrique, there's no real significance unless you want a quick way to sort the history by days
Mar 05 18:51:28 <Drges> I suppose
Mar 05 18:51:36 <Drges> s/days/when you've closed it/
Mar 05 18:54:03 <briand> KotCzarny: is there no call to determine the maximum number of values in the ioctl?  ...would probably be better than assuming there were only 15, no?  (debug routine)
Mar 05 18:54:13 <lcuk> KotCzarny, i just found a site offering a battery status console app (here : http://nitapps.com/ )
Mar 05 18:54:15 <henrique> Dregs, yeah, thanks for the infos :)
Mar 05 18:54:16 <KotCzarny> debug is for debug
Mar 05 18:54:23 <KotCzarny> lcuk: does it run from cmd line?
Mar 05 18:54:28 <lcuk> yes
Mar 05 18:54:32 <lcuk> apparantly
Mar 05 18:54:36 <KotCzarny> does it NOT depend on dbus?
Mar 05 18:54:40 <lcuk> This is a simple command-line tool to display the remaining battery charge of a tablet.
Mar 05 18:54:40 <lcuk> [user@nokia ~]$ battery-status
Mar 05 18:54:40 <lcuk> [Dec 29 22:57] 97.6%
Mar 05 18:54:48 <lcuk> no, this is dbus
Mar 05 18:54:54 <KotCzarny> yes, thanks
Mar 05 18:54:59 <lcuk> ahhhh: Because battery-status relies on DBus signaling, running it has the unfortunate side effect of activating the battery applet.
Mar 05 18:55:25 <lcuk> are you getting it by scraping the metal?
Mar 05 18:55:39 <KotCzarny> ioctl on /dev/retu
Mar 05 18:55:56 <lcuk> not that there is any harm in that
Mar 05 18:55:58 <lcuk> :) cool
Mar 05 18:56:03 <KotCzarny> anyway
Mar 05 18:56:09 <KotCzarny> i would welcome ane feedback
Mar 05 18:56:16 <briand> s/ane/any/
Mar 05 18:56:21 <KotCzarny> how well it runs on different nokias
Mar 05 18:56:39 <KotCzarny> apparently n810 uses tother field than n800
Mar 05 18:57:05 <KotCzarny> i can provide a script to run retu-adc logging over time
Mar 05 18:57:08 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 18:58:57 <briand> what happens on the 810, then?  provides no result?
Mar 05 18:59:11 <KotCzarny> wrong result
Mar 05 18:59:21 <KotCzarny> because it checks wrong field
Mar 05 18:59:36 <KotCzarny> on 770 it's #2, on 800 it's #8
Mar 05 18:59:58 <KotCzarny> for 810 i have to get debug from someone :)
Mar 05 19:00:20 <briand> talk to the general -- he's got 2 of each
Mar 05 19:00:29 <KotCzarny> he doesn't like me :)
Mar 05 19:02:08 <ertwroc> hi
Mar 05 19:02:15 <briand> I am *not*!!!
Mar 05 19:02:20 <briand> my eyes are always this color.
Mar 05 19:02:22 <briand> hmph.
Mar 05 19:02:28 <KotCzarny> not?
Mar 05 19:02:34 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 19:03:37 <ertwroc> I have problem with n770. When I turn it on the screen is white with vertical gray lines. Any help?
Mar 05 19:03:52 <KotCzarny> huh
Mar 05 19:04:29 <KotCzarny> have you been hacking it?
Mar 05 19:04:36 <KotCzarny> or is it hardware problem?
Mar 05 19:04:46 <KotCzarny> ssvb :)
Mar 05 19:05:09 <ertwroc> no, but last days it has some resets
Mar 05 19:05:13 <ssvb> KotCzarny: I'm back
Mar 05 19:05:30 <KotCzarny> ssvb: great, can you help me testing it then? :)
Mar 05 19:05:32 <inz> ertwroc, that is a problem many users have run into
Mar 05 19:05:48 <ssvb> KotCzarny: sure, what needs to be done?
Mar 05 19:05:53 <ertwroc> inz: is any way to fix it?
Mar 05 19:05:57 <lcuk> ertwroc, unfortunately the 770 might have fallen victim to WSOD
Mar 05 19:06:08 <KotCzarny> i need you to run my app and report how well it runs
Mar 05 19:06:21 <inz> ertwroc, afaik the only way to fix it is to change the display
Mar 05 19:06:38 <ertwroc> inz: :/
Mar 05 19:06:47 <inz> ertwroc, if your warranty has run out, the cheapest way is probably to buy new one
Mar 05 19:07:46 <briand> good excuse to upgrade to the n800, actually
Mar 05 19:07:51 <ertwroc> inz: thanks for help
Mar 05 19:07:52 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 19:08:30 <briand> E_NOCOFFEE
Mar 05 19:08:33 <briand> eeks!
Mar 05 19:08:36 <briand> brb
Mar 05 19:09:18 <lcuk> ertwroc, do a google search for wsod n770 and see whether your fault matches
Mar 05 19:13:42 <briand> is there an accepted/approved method of removing the maemo development environment (for nearly immediate re-installation of same), or is `rm -rf` within /scratchbox sufficient?
Mar 05 19:14:58 <febb> re hi Juhaz.
Mar 05 19:16:25 <briand> anyone?
Mar 05 19:17:17 <KotCzarny> ssvb: please join #kotc
Mar 05 19:20:58 <GeneralAntilles> briand, try / instead . . . just to be sure. :P
Mar 05 19:21:14 <briand> umm.. i think not, but thanks.
Mar 05 19:21:22 <KotCzarny> ga at it's finest
Mar 05 19:21:25 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 19:24:12 <briand> KotCzarny: perhaps, but he did, at least, provide an answer
Mar 05 19:24:32 <KotCzarny> he was commenting on mine answers too
Mar 05 19:24:36 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 19:24:57 <dragorn> briand: make sure you shutdown the sb environment, there should be an init script to do so
Mar 05 19:25:10 <dragorn> briand: before rm -r'ing it, or else things will get all sorts of sad with the recursive bind-mounting it does
Mar 05 19:25:29 <dragorn> or if not init script, a script inside sb that shuts it down
Mar 05 19:25:34 <dragorn> i forget
Mar 05 19:25:55 <dragorn> or just reboot and don't log into sb before rm'ing it, if you're willing to reboot
Mar 05 19:26:37 <briand> 'k... thanks.  was just wondering if there was stuff outside of the /scratchbox area.  i've already shut down the sb env
Mar 05 19:26:38 <lcuk> quickest way to reinstall scratchbox for me is to re-extract the vmware image ;)
Mar 05 19:27:27 <briand> dragorn: are you, by chance, the same dragorn that at one time created alternative .ko sources for the orinoco wireless card?
Mar 05 19:27:41 <dragorn> yeah
Mar 05 19:27:51 <briand> cool. nice to meet ya.
Mar 05 19:27:58 <dragorn> and if theres a better way to remove sb than shutdown and rm -r, I don't know it
Mar 05 19:28:10 <dragorn> that was a horrible misadventure, that freaking orinoco stuff.  I gave up, eventually.
Mar 05 19:28:40 <briand> won't compile on my FC8 box, under 2.6.23.15 kernel.
Mar 05 19:28:57 <dragorn> doesn't surprise me in the least
Mar 05 19:29:12 <dragorn> everything the kernel is totally different now
Mar 05 19:29:14 <briand> :nod: and it looks like those that took it up followed through until about 2.6.21 .. perhaps I'll just wait a bit.
Mar 05 19:29:41 <dragorn> honestly I don't even know where my orinoco is
Mar 05 19:29:45 <febb> hi... anyone knows how to solve a "can't read superblock" error when unpacking a 770 firmware image and mounting the rootfs on a loop device. ?
Mar 05 19:30:05 <febb> any hint is appreciated..  thx.
Mar 05 19:30:13 <briand> i know where mine is... but i was hoping to do some kismet with it.. perhaps another time.  not a pressing issue, to be sure
Mar 05 19:30:31 <dragorn> briand: I'm much more interested in the mac80211 softmac layer
Mar 05 19:31:09 <dragorn> still trying to fix the kismet startup reliability issues on the nokia before doing a package, it's working maybe three in every five launches
Mar 05 19:31:19 <briand> ...which may be what's preventing the compile here...
Mar 05 19:31:25 <briand> dragorn: cool.  :)
Mar 05 19:32:14 <ynezz> dragorn: hm, here it runs fine
Mar 05 19:32:20 <briand> I fixed up the includes to point to the correct headers (linux/autoconf.h instead of linux/config.h, etc) .. but now it complains during compilet that 'mac' is not a member of sk_buff
Mar 05 19:32:51 <dragorn> ynezz: sometimes it does.  every time I think it's nailed down to running properly, the next time I fire things up it craps the bed and the NIC drops dead a few seconds in
Mar 05 19:33:01 <briand> but, again, not an urgent thing here... let me get the maemo env re-installed on my other machine..
Mar 05 19:33:08 <briand> dragorn: thanks, again, for your help.  :)
Mar 05 19:33:30 <ynezz> dragorn: I just manually do ifconfig/ifconfig before and after running kismet
Mar 05 19:33:31 <dragorn> and the only way I've found to get it even slightly consistent is to nuke wlancond and the power control, which means you have to reboot after running or else your battery tanks
Mar 05 19:33:47 <dragorn> ynezz: yeah, that's all kismet does internally.  Isn't reliable on any device I've got.
Mar 05 19:34:06 <dragorn> ynezz: all it's doing is issuing the ioctls to set the interface mode, same as iwconfig and ifconfig
Mar 05 19:34:34 <dragorn> ynezz: but either powersave or wlancond likes to take away the interface at some point and then it just stops getting packets w/ no error condition
Mar 05 19:35:08 <briand> easy enough to test, isn't it?  you can turn the wlan polling to 'never'
Mar 05 19:35:24 <briand> ...and, likewise, crank up the powersave timeout
Mar 05 19:35:29 <dragorn> briand: yeah, doesn't help.  Effectively the same as killing wlancond
Mar 05 19:35:48 <dragorn> powersave is relatively undocumented, and snapshotting the iw power state and restoring it, doesn't restore it
Mar 05 19:36:06 <dragorn> which will kill a fully charged device in about 2 hours, idle
Mar 05 19:36:13 <briand> ouch
Mar 05 19:36:26 <dragorn> so theres some non-iw power control going on in there, too
Mar 05 19:36:57 <briand> ...or, maybe it's just cranked up to 100 mW the whole time?
Mar 05 19:37:00 <dragorn> killing wlancond is a sledgehammer approach, but prevents the whole reconnection/some other app trying to take over wireless
Mar 05 19:37:14 <dragorn> shouldn't matter if it is, if it isn't sending any data
Mar 05 19:38:54 <dragorn> whatever kills it doesn't change mode, it just stops getting packets anymore.  Amusingly, this is exactly the same problem with the new orinoco drivers, but totally unrelated
Mar 05 19:39:31 <briand> it's a self-inflicted DoS attack!   ;)
Mar 05 19:46:00 <ynezz> dragorn: how long does it take when kismet stops receiving packets? I tried to run/stop it three times and it still works
Mar 05 19:46:11 <dragorn> 2-5 minutes
Mar 05 19:46:16 <dragorn> or just use tcpdump
Mar 05 19:46:18 <dragorn> same problem there
Mar 05 19:47:26 <ynezz> hm strange, I was running airmon-ng for about 6 hours and no problem
Mar 05 19:49:02 <smackpotato> is therfe any way to view bloomberg video
Mar 05 19:50:27 <pupnik> is there some magic to save a snapshot of a running program to flash and then resume it later?
Mar 05 19:50:41 <dragorn> ynezz: when it works, it works.  Problem is, it doesn't all the time.
Mar 05 19:50:48 <dragorn> pupnik: not that I know of
Mar 05 19:52:51 <pupnik> "Application State-saving and Auto-save"  http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/Maemo_tutorial_bora.html
Mar 05 19:52:52 <script> pupnik: sure, there are some magic process freezers for linux
Mar 05 19:53:03 <script> take http://cryopid.berlios.de/ e.g.
Mar 05 19:53:12 <pupnik> ty script
Mar 05 19:53:42 <script> but this is _serious_ stuff ;)
Mar 05 19:55:48 <pupnik> yeah script ... i'd like saving state for dosbox...
Mar 05 19:57:08 <dragorn> yeah I was going to say there is some freeze/restore stuff, but nothing commoditized
Mar 05 19:57:17 <dragorn> i'd say you'd need to patch dosbox then to freeze emulation state
Mar 05 19:57:24 <dragorn> saner than trying to freeze linux state
Mar 05 19:58:11 <script> yeah .. i just succesfully freezed "top" (on x86 though)
Mar 05 19:58:20 <script> and replicated it a few times ... ;)
Mar 05 19:59:23 <script> well .. freezing dosbox.bin didn't succeed ..
Mar 05 19:59:47 <pupnik> how about minimizing the window before freezing?
Mar 05 20:00:02 <script> X-programs seem to have problems
Mar 05 20:00:22 <pupnik> mmk
Mar 05 20:09:31 <pH5> pupnik: fmopl.c compiles for the dsp with minimal changes.
Mar 05 20:09:37 <pH5> Setting up a dsptask shouldn't be too hard, I guess.
Mar 05 20:10:37 <pupnik> pH5 maybe there's a minimal adlib player program that can be used to do the development
Mar 05 20:11:00 <pupnik> then integration into scummvm, freesci, dosbox, exult, etc can be done by others
Mar 05 20:11:03 <pH5> pupnik: yes, right now I'm trying to modify libadplug + adplay
Mar 05 20:11:12 <pupnik> way cool
Mar 05 20:14:11 <jaska_> heh, exult, original u7 was lower res than the tablet display :)
Mar 05 20:14:43 <GeneralAntilles> Lots of old games are lower res than the tablet display. :P
Mar 05 20:14:55 <jaska_> true
Mar 05 20:15:17 <GeneralAntilles> Heck, the Nintendo 64 is lower resolution than the tablet display. :P
Mar 05 20:15:26 <yabbas> Is there anyway I can sneak a few files into dpkg-buildpackage, say maemo icons, etc that aren't part fo the build process?
Mar 05 20:15:56 <KotCzarny> yes
Mar 05 20:16:25 <yabbas> Excellent, that answers the first part of the question.  Now how would I go about doing that? :)
Mar 05 20:17:07 <KotCzarny> let me look at examples :)
Mar 05 20:17:19 <yabbas> sankyou
Mar 05 20:18:37 <KotCzarny> hmm
Mar 05 20:18:57 <KotCzarny> i guess apt-get source busybox will answer your question
Mar 05 20:19:06 <KotCzarny> and looking in debian/
Mar 05 20:19:12 <KotCzarny> :>
Mar 05 20:20:41 <KotCzarny> in debian/rules there is:
Mar 05 20:20:44 <KotCzarny> binary-arch: install
Mar 05 20:20:47 <KotCzarny> (...)
Mar 05 20:20:55 <KotCzarny>         install debian/local/tempfile debian/busybox/bin/
Mar 05 20:21:13 <KotCzarny> which probably adds debian/local/tempfile to package
Mar 05 20:21:31 <KotCzarny> but that's my guess
Mar 05 20:21:42 <KotCzarny> i'm a slackware man anyway :)
Mar 05 20:25:02 * hoopy cut his linux teeth on slackware
Mar 05 20:25:28 <hoopy> does slackware have a package management system yet?
Mar 05 20:25:41 <KotCzarny> it always had
Mar 05 20:27:59 <hoopy> well it doesn't deal with dependencies does it?
Mar 05 20:28:17 <KotCzarny> nope
Mar 05 20:31:20 <hoopy> i wouldn't really call what it has a package management system
Mar 05 20:31:31 <hoopy> it's really just a bunch of app archives
Mar 05 20:32:00 <KotCzarny> yes, but it never failed on me
Mar 05 20:32:19 <KotCzarny> simple and effective
Mar 05 20:50:46 <EvilGuru> Can anyone explain user management to me? Am I correct in assuming that the default user has no password and is functionality equiv to root?
Mar 05 20:51:01 <KotCzarny> no
Mar 05 20:52:52 <EvilGuru> KotCzarny: How does it work?
Mar 05 20:53:18 <||cw> EvilGuru: sudo is used heavily
Mar 05 20:53:42 <Tama^2> hello
Mar 05 20:53:47 <EvilGuru> I have installed some apps etc, but never been asked for a password
Mar 05 20:54:02 <Juhaz> the application installer is suid
Mar 05 20:54:04 <EvilGuru> I was expecting when I configured it to be asked for a password, but can not remember choosing none
Mar 05 20:54:09 <Juhaz> or sudoed without password
Mar 05 20:55:53 <yabbas> right I give up :(
Mar 05 20:55:54 <EvilGuru> On user/personal info, I do not recall entering my name, how does it know it/
Mar 05 20:56:12 * yabbas can't for the life of him package things up easily :( :(
Mar 05 20:57:25 <pupnik> yabbas: ar x *.deb to extract files from a .deb archive and ar q *.deb file1 file2 to add files to a .deb archive
Mar 05 20:57:28 <yabbas> on top of it all - I can't seem to install tetex-bin on the N810 through apt-get; yet it installs fine under scratchbox
Mar 05 20:57:40 <leif__> hey konttori, have you seen how we did icons in the 2008 LCARS themes? Turns out they are themeable after all!
Mar 05 20:58:42 <yabbas> pupnik, thanks for that, I'll try once more.   _ideally_ I wanted to learn how to tweak the makefiles to add it using dh_make/dpkg-buildpackage
Mar 05 20:59:01 <pupnik> yeah well if you ever write a howto on that let me know
Mar 05 20:59:04 <leif__> just set gtk-icon-theme-name = "foo" in the gtkrc, and icons in /usr/share/icons/foo will override the hicolor set
Mar 05 20:59:09 <yabbas> pupnik, "lol"
Mar 05 20:59:24 <yabbas> so it's not just me then
Mar 05 21:00:24 <pupnik> i'm just too stupid and tired to absorb all that info, but i can remember "ar x" and "ar q"
Mar 05 21:04:43 <inz> pupnik, the files inside a .deb "ar" archive should be data.tar.gz and control.tar.gz, so adding files is not quite that easy
Mar 05 21:05:47 <pupnik> i already knew 'tar'
Mar 05 21:06:57 <inz> pupnink, sure, but "adding files" to a .deb archive isn't quite as simple as using ar
Mar 05 21:07:22 <inz> pupnik, well, sure ar q does add files to the archive, but they're not installed when the package is installed
Mar 05 21:08:07 <pupnik> ok thanks for the correction - lazy typing here
Mar 05 21:10:56 <zetheroo> I have successfully paired my bluetooth headset on my N800 ... but now what?
Mar 05 21:11:05 <zetheroo> can I skype with it?
Mar 05 21:11:32 <zetheroo> seems that its pretty useless....!?
Mar 05 21:12:36 <GeneralAntilles> ?
Mar 05 21:12:42 <GeneralAntilles> You use it as a headset.
Mar 05 21:13:05 <GeneralAntilles> Whatever situation you might find a headset useful in, that's where you use it. . . .
Mar 05 21:16:42 <Jaffa> re
Mar 05 21:18:41 <lcuk> pupnik - im havin a great time reading "the unix haters handbook" at the moment, im finding all sorts of things relivant to my experiences with linux and maemo.  might be worth a read yourself (and others)   its pdf and free http://research.microsoft.com/~daniel/unix-haters.html
Mar 05 21:18:52 <zetheroo> GeneralAntilles: well I would find it useful if any of the programs ont he device could actually utilize it
Mar 05 21:18:58 <zetheroo> like Skype
Mar 05 21:19:03 <zetheroo> or the media player
Mar 05 21:19:18 <GeneralAntilles> Uh, they can. . . .
Mar 05 21:19:21 <lcuk> does mediaplayer not send data to the headset?
Mar 05 21:19:37 <lcuk> i dunno about skype because i gave up when i had no video
Mar 05 21:20:12 <zetheroo> GeneralAntilles: how?
Mar 05 21:20:57 <derf> Why does that book look like just a lot of propaganda?
Mar 05 21:21:36 <lcuk> because it probably is - but its not meant to be serious - if you get as far as the foreward i think the guy says it started way before he got to MS
Mar 05 21:21:39 <KotCzarny> derf: don't take it seriously :)
Mar 05 21:21:48 <derf> Okay, good.
Mar 05 21:21:52 <lcuk> but, im actually learning lots about the system - essentially seeing what not to do
Mar 05 21:21:59 <KotCzarny> there are valid points in it
Mar 05 21:22:03 <derf> Because I don't think Microsoft gets to complain about security or file system corruption.
Mar 05 21:22:17 <KotCzarny> though
Mar 05 21:22:17 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 21:22:17 <derf> lcuk: I got as far as the table of contents.
Mar 05 21:22:31 <GeneralAntilles> zetheroo, it just works here.
Mar 05 21:22:35 <lcuk> no, im learning about how unprotected the command line is - and understanding why its right to be though
Mar 05 21:22:51 <KotCzarny> tough?
Mar 05 21:22:53 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 21:23:05 <jaska_> unix sucks, unfortunately everything ive come across sucks more :)
Mar 05 21:23:17 <||cw> all software sucks
Mar 05 21:23:21 <KotCzarny> nope
Mar 05 21:23:25 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 21:23:27 <zetheroo> GeneralAntilles: do you have to switch sound devices anywhere?
Mar 05 21:23:40 <KotCzarny> for lazy people like me software is usefull
Mar 05 21:23:45 <derf> I'm amused they think that a movie and popcorn can be had for $10.
Mar 05 21:23:51 <lcuk> i still havent attempted to delete anything from the command line yet
Mar 05 21:24:01 <KotCzarny> lcuk: get mc
Mar 05 21:24:02 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 21:24:10 <||cw> something can suck and still be more useful than doing without
Mar 05 21:24:10 <lcuk> when i need to do major pruning and reorganising i use the windows scp client :$
Mar 05 21:24:36 <KotCzarny> lcuk: have you ever used/liked nc/total commander ?
Mar 05 21:24:39 <lcuk> i feel safer and understand the gui better than i ever will the cmd line
Mar 05 21:24:50 <||cw> derf: maybe if you rent one and get microwave popcorn
Mar 05 21:24:57 <lcuk> if i remember its a dual pane view - like directory opus was on the amiga
Mar 05 21:25:02 <KotCzarny> yes
Mar 05 21:25:17 <KotCzarny> invaluable tool
Mar 05 21:25:18 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 21:25:28 <derf> ||cw: Maybe, though probably not for much longer.
Mar 05 21:25:47 <lcuk> i adored dopus but nowadays prefer the c&p tree - i can open as many trees as i want and arrange them how i need - sometimes its side by side - others its just overlapped
Mar 05 21:29:48 <lcuk> i know this is wrong channel, but increasing the memory clock from DDR333 to DDR400 (the memory/mobo supports it, its been underclocked all this time) will have quite a large effect won't it?
Mar 05 21:30:07 <KotCzarny> about 20%
Mar 05 21:30:09 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 21:30:47 <lcuk> good enough - its the missuses machine ive just overhauled it after her sims started crashing and noticed it was under  :) that will earn me brownie points
Mar 05 21:30:50 <KotCzarny> but do a burn-in test to be sure
Mar 05 21:31:36 <KotCzarny> memtest86 is a nice test
Mar 05 21:31:46 <lcuk> i know the mem can handle it - i bought it all at same time and somewhere along the way the bios has clocked itself back down because when i had it up here it was at fullspd
Mar 05 21:32:02 <lcuk> no need - sims is a bigger test
Mar 05 21:32:04 <KotCzarny> lcuk: but you have to check how the whole system behaves
Mar 05 21:32:11 <KotCzarny> hehe
Mar 05 21:33:11 <lcuk> as i said it used to be fine - machine just got clogged up in the last couple of weeks we had a major dust storm and all machines in the house ended up with clogged fans
Mar 05 21:33:20 * yabbas sighs
Mar 05 21:33:22 <KotCzarny> lol
Mar 05 21:33:39 <yabbas> It's not as easy as packaging it all up manually :( http://madabar.com/techblog/2007/07/15/manually-creating-a-deb-package-for-maemo/
Mar 05 21:33:44 <lcuk> dust storm = 1 small child with a family sized bucket of talc
Mar 05 21:33:49 * yabbas gives up
Mar 05 21:33:59 <KotCzarny> lcuk: how does nokia handled it?
Mar 05 21:34:05 <KotCzarny> or it was in another place :)
Mar 05 21:34:27 <lcuk> that doesnt have fans and that is covered by the apple kb when not in use
Mar 05 21:34:48 <lcuk> all jake could say was "look dad, its snowing"
Mar 05 21:35:02 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 21:35:31 <KotCzarny> kids are terrifying sometimes
Mar 05 21:35:50 <KotCzarny> mom, mom, look what i've found :>
Mar 05 21:35:54 <lcuk> kids are terrific all the time :) (apart from when they aren't) ;)
Mar 05 21:36:45 <lcuk> hes great, he brings us worms and bugs from the garden - missus freaks but i tell him what it is :D
Mar 05 21:37:14 <KotCzarny> yeah..
Mar 05 21:37:31 * KotCzarny hates bugs and worms
Mar 05 21:37:32 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 21:38:33 <KotCzarny> hi spirytusik
Mar 05 21:39:19 <spirytusick> yo!
Mar 05 21:39:28 <KotCzarny> which nokia do you own?
Mar 05 21:39:35 <KotCzarny> i need someone with 810
Mar 05 21:39:36 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 21:39:40 <spirytusick> n800
Mar 05 21:40:01 <spirytusick> but i can write additional 10 on it :)
Mar 05 21:40:32 <spirytusick> KotCzarny: What are you testing ?
Mar 05 21:40:43 <KotCzarny> my battery checker tool
Mar 05 21:40:50 <KotCzarny> works fine for 800
Mar 05 21:40:59 <KotCzarny> but i need testing it on 770 and 810
Mar 05 21:42:11 <spirytusick> :( sorry cannot help
Mar 05 21:42:16 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 21:42:19 <EvilGuru> On my local network, to which my 810 is connected and on the network there is a DNS server. On my other systems I can type ping foo but on my 810 I need to type ping foo.intra (intra is my domain)
Mar 05 21:43:45 <KotCzarny> evilguru: add search to /etc/hosts
Mar 05 21:43:53 <KotCzarny> search intra
Mar 05 21:44:10 <KotCzarny> to be exact
Mar 05 21:44:13 <EvilGuru> Not /etc/resolv.conf
Mar 05 21:44:13 <KotCzarny> erm
Mar 05 21:44:13 <KotCzarny> yeah
Mar 05 21:44:13 <KotCzarny> my mistake
Mar 05 21:44:15 <KotCzarny>  /etc/resolv.conf
Mar 05 21:44:21 <EvilGuru> that is where I do it for some of my Linux systems (some just find it)
Mar 05 21:45:45 <fysa> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPm3wk3FjxU
Mar 05 21:45:58 <KotCzarny> fysa: do you own 810?
Mar 05 21:46:07 <fysa> nope, 800, sorry.
Mar 05 21:46:10 <KotCzarny> uhum
Mar 05 21:51:17 <pupnik> you might be interested in Rick Falkvinge's speech at Google: "Copyright regime vs. Civil Liberties" http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2541736281918823479
Mar 05 21:57:35 <KotCzarny> http://www.techamok.com/?pid=4179
Mar 05 21:57:36 <KotCzarny> :>
Mar 05 21:57:43 <lcdd> pupnik: it's good. especially the "we get to play 'who wants to be prime minister'" part
Mar 05 21:58:26 <fysa> http://www.umpcportal.com/modules/wfchannel/index.php?pagenum=6
Mar 05 21:58:43 <fysa> live stream of someone talking about that Gigabyte MID in comparison to the N810
Mar 05 21:59:15 <KotCzarny> and this one in the context of mobile guis: http://www.techamok.com/?pid=4178
Mar 05 22:09:41 <EvilGuru> I also have openssh server on my n810 but it is very 'laggy' when I connect to it over LAN
Mar 05 22:10:53 <KotCzarny> evilguru: lower your wifi powersaving
Mar 05 22:11:18 <EvilGuru> Did not know it took effect on dc power
Mar 05 22:12:08 <spirytusick> good night guys...
Mar 05 22:12:16 <KotCzarny> on my laptop powersaving kicks in even on dc power
Mar 05 22:12:25 <KotCzarny> night spirytusik
Mar 05 22:15:23 <EvilGuru> KotCzarny: Worked a treat
Mar 05 22:15:32 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 22:15:42 <KotCzarny> eg: you have 810, right?
Mar 05 22:16:40 <EvilGuru> Yep
Mar 05 22:16:46 <EvilGuru> Couldn't be happier
Mar 05 22:16:52 <KotCzarny> would you like to help me with my app?
Mar 05 22:17:09 <EvilGuru> What are you developing
Mar 05 22:17:20 <KotCzarny> battery charge meter
Mar 05 22:18:01 <EvilGuru> Just trying to think if the tray menu item shows battery charge or not
Mar 05 22:18:14 <KotCzarny> cmd line one
Mar 05 22:18:34 <EvilGuru> Still need to play around with the dev tools
Mar 05 22:19:26 <EvilGuru> I am a developer of Warzone 2100 though (http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16502 )
Mar 05 22:19:41 <Redline`> that gigabyte MID is huge.
Mar 05 22:21:02 <EvilGuru> Pity that we pulled the software renderer (OpenGL only now)
Mar 05 22:29:48 <briand> oh, nice!  the mailman delivered my (3x) 2GB SD cards from woot! today.. time to start loadin' em up!
Mar 05 22:30:03 <KotCzarny> 2?
Mar 05 22:30:19 <KotCzarny> wasn't it better to order 4gb and 2gb?
Mar 05 22:30:20 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 22:30:35 <briand> they were $6 each
Mar 05 22:30:41 <KotCzarny> hehe
Mar 05 22:30:57 <briand> and, woot only offers one product per day... that day, 2GB was the product
Mar 05 22:31:00 <KotCzarny> 8gb cost 32$
Mar 05 22:31:54 <KotCzarny> 35$ with shipping on jewegg
Mar 05 22:31:55 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 22:32:47 <KotCzarny> but for a testing that was a nice deal
Mar 05 22:32:48 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 22:33:20 <cLin> crud, i changed skins for internettablettalk to mobile 2 and now the option to change skins isn't there anymore
Mar 05 22:33:40 <KotCzarny> clin: kill cookies?
Mar 05 22:33:56 <cLin> but when i login, it'll just go back to the mobile 2 skin
Mar 05 22:34:27 <cLin> ugh
Mar 05 22:34:47 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 22:34:49 <EvilGuru> Might be able to manually change the appropriate database row/record
Mar 05 22:35:02 <cLin> huh? how
Mar 05 22:35:15 <cLin> nm, got it
Mar 05 22:35:21 <cLin> switched back for some reason
Mar 05 22:36:01 <KotCzarny> clin: do you own 810?
Mar 05 22:36:05 <cLin> no, 800
Mar 05 22:36:06 <cLin> why?
Mar 05 22:36:10 <cLin> and does anyone use mediaserv?
Mar 05 22:36:14 <KotCzarny> i need 810 to test something
Mar 05 22:36:29 <cLin> whatcha making
Mar 05 22:36:29 <KotCzarny> mediaserv is the backend for playing media
Mar 05 22:36:48 <cLin> yea i know, i'd like to make it so i can stream videos from mylaptop tomy n800
Mar 05 22:36:51 <KotCzarny> battery level tool
Mar 05 22:37:01 <KotCzarny> clin: mplayer and netcat
Mar 05 22:37:02 <KotCzarny> ;)
Mar 05 22:37:08 <cLin> netcat?
Mar 05 22:37:11 <KotCzarny> or simply mplayer and a script
Mar 05 22:37:32 <cLin> are there any easily available?
Mar 05 22:37:42 <KotCzarny> i don't know
Mar 05 22:37:46 <KotCzarny> i usually hack one myself
Mar 05 22:37:47 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 22:37:49 <cLin> whats netcat?
Mar 05 22:37:50 <cLin> oh
Mar 05 22:37:54 <zetheroo> so I again got the bluetooth headset paired again... and still nothing with Skype
Mar 05 22:37:54 <cLin> well i dont have thatluxury
Mar 05 22:37:56 <KotCzarny> that's why love cmd line
Mar 05 22:38:14 <KotCzarny> clin: how do you stream from lappy?
Mar 05 22:38:28 <cLin> thats what i want to know
Mar 05 22:38:30 <cLin> haha
Mar 05 22:38:32 <KotCzarny> lol
Mar 05 22:38:43 <cLin> i want to be able to stream from lappu -> n800
Mar 05 22:38:48 <KotCzarny> so you simply want to watch files from laptop?
Mar 05 22:38:54 <cLin> and i heard mediaserv can help
Mar 05 22:38:55 <EvilGuru> the netcat idea seems reasonable
Mar 05 22:39:22 <KotCzarny> clin, install sshfs and just mount laptop fs on nokia :)
Mar 05 22:39:32 <KotCzarny> and play the files as if they were local
Mar 05 22:39:32 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 22:39:35 <EvilGuru> assuming your laptop runs Linux
Mar 05 22:39:47 <KotCzarny> eg: there's openssh for cygwin too
Mar 05 22:39:55 <EvilGuru> (FUSE might work on OS X/FreeBSD, am yet to try)
Mar 05 22:40:11 <cLin> sshfs?
Mar 05 22:40:20 <cLin> whats with all these acronyms >(
Mar 05 22:40:31 <febb> hi...has anyone expanded and mounted an Internet Tablet firmware on a local PC disc ?
Mar 05 22:40:32 <KotCzarny> clin: yes, like scp but available as a regular directory
Mar 05 22:40:35 <cLin> oh
Mar 05 22:40:45 <KotCzarny> ssh file system
Mar 05 22:40:49 <EvilGuru> cLin: VLC is quite nice too (it has streaming options)
Mar 05 22:40:55 <cLin> vlc for n800?
Mar 05 22:41:01 <EvilGuru> For your laptop
Mar 05 22:41:01 <cLin> does it work for os2008?
Mar 05 22:41:03 <cLin> oh
Mar 05 22:41:08 <cLin> lets see...
Mar 05 22:41:13 <EvilGuru> It can either broadcast or recv
Mar 05 22:41:17 <ssvb> KotCzarny: you can post the information about your battery checker tool on maemo-developers list, also AFAIK pupnik has n810 :)
Mar 05 22:41:23 <cLin> cause i prefer not having it run in two places. otherwise, i canprobably watch on laptop
Mar 05 22:41:36 <KotCzarny> ssvb: i would have to sign up to it i guess..
Mar 05 22:41:39 <EvilGuru> I am sure good old mplayer will happily accept the stream produced by VLC
Mar 05 22:41:56 <cLin> ok, let's try
Mar 05 22:42:07 <zetheroo> bluetooth headset is not working for me
Mar 05 22:42:17 <cLin> ill try the sshfs
Mar 05 22:42:31 <KotCzarny> clin: there are package for it i belive available
Mar 05 22:42:37 <cLin> sshfs?
Mar 05 22:42:38 <KotCzarny> though i have compiled one myself
Mar 05 22:42:40 <KotCzarny> for me
Mar 05 22:42:52 <pupnik> Wooooh--  looka like duke-a nukem!
Mar 05 22:42:54 <KotCzarny> you will need fuse module and sshfs package
Mar 05 22:43:18 <EvilGuru> Also, does the internal USB port supply enough juice to power a USB flash stick?
Mar 05 22:43:27 <KotCzarny> eg: 200mA
Mar 05 22:43:37 <cLin> would it be able to stream fast enough?
Mar 05 22:43:41 <KotCzarny> but i think not more than 100mA
Mar 05 22:43:45 <cLin> im assuming its just opening the file through the wireless connection
Mar 05 22:43:59 <EvilGuru> cLin: Indeed
Mar 05 22:44:10 <EvilGuru> The decryption might have a negative impact on performance, however
Mar 05 22:44:10 <cLin> hrm
Mar 05 22:44:25 <cLin> lets take a look see...
Mar 05 22:44:26 <KotCzarny> eg: compression can be turned off
Mar 05 22:44:28 <KotCzarny> i believe
Mar 05 22:44:39 <EvilGuru> KotCzarny: I did not know it compressed by default
Mar 05 22:44:49 <KotCzarny> i don't know too
Mar 05 22:44:56 <EvilGuru> I know -C turns it on
Mar 05 22:45:03 <KotCzarny> possibly
Mar 05 22:45:26 <EvilGuru> (ssh -YC foo@bar.com used to be one of my most often run commands until a few months ago)
Mar 05 22:45:57 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 22:46:02 <KotCzarny> pupnik: hi
Mar 05 22:46:12 <pupnik> woooh!
Mar 05 22:46:24 <cLin> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9372&highlight=sshfs
Mar 05 22:46:27 <cLin> will that work?
Mar 05 22:46:30 <KotCzarny> pupnik: can you test something for me? :)
Mar 05 22:46:32 <cLin> fuseport and automount?
Mar 05 22:46:43 <KotCzarny> nah, automount sucks
Mar 05 22:46:51 <ssvb> KotCzarny: wlan driver is still heavy for cpu even without encryption (albeit it is better in n8x0 than in 770)
Mar 05 22:46:52 <cLin> oh
Mar 05 22:47:03 <cLin> goddamn, itt has nothing good
Mar 05 22:47:06 <KotCzarny> but can work if you set up the keys
Mar 05 22:47:46 <KotCzarny> ssvb: reading from mmc eats cpu too..
Mar 05 22:47:47 <KotCzarny> i think
Mar 05 22:48:31 <cLin> where can i find sshfs for maemo
Mar 05 22:48:37 <ssvb> KotCzarny: well, it should be easy to benchmark overhead
Mar 05 22:48:57 <KotCzarny> clin: i remember only seeing the package available
Mar 05 22:49:17 <KotCzarny> probably fuseport is the one
Mar 05 22:49:35 * Jaffa ponders bed
Mar 05 22:50:03 <cLin> http://pupnik.de/shfs-utils_0.35-6.2_armel.deb hey pupkin, whats that?
Mar 05 22:50:20 <KotCzarny> clin: if you don't mind stranger's binaries i can prepare you a .tar.gz
Mar 05 22:50:23 <KotCzarny> you can use
Mar 05 22:50:26 <cLin> i dont mind
Mar 05 22:50:30 <KotCzarny> (assuming you have 2008)
Mar 05 22:50:33 <cLin> i do
Mar 05 22:50:36 <cLin> n800 os2008
Mar 05 22:50:41 <KotCzarny> ok, just a moment then
Mar 05 22:50:43 <cLin> i have nothing sensitive
Mar 05 22:50:47 <EvilGuru> It is getting late here, I best be off. Thanks for all of your help :)
Mar 05 22:50:47 <cLin> haha
Mar 05 22:53:54 <leif__> konttori, are you awake?
Mar 05 22:54:35 <KotCzarny> clin: http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/fuse_sshfs.tar.gz
Mar 05 22:54:41 <cLin> ok
Mar 05 22:54:43 <KotCzarny> unpack to /
Mar 05 22:55:02 <cLin> what was it again? gzip -something filename
Mar 05 22:55:10 <KotCzarny> tar -xzpf
Mar 05 22:55:15 <cLin> or that
Mar 05 22:55:23 <briand> it's  `tar xvfz <filename.tar.gz>`
Mar 05 22:55:36 <cLin> why is your sdifferent
Mar 05 22:55:53 <KotCzarny> doesn't matter much
Mar 05 22:55:58 <briand> it's cuz I'm older.
Mar 05 22:56:02 <KotCzarny> -v just spams screen with files
Mar 05 22:56:05 <cLin> lol
Mar 05 22:56:12 <KotCzarny> and -p is 'preserve'
Mar 05 22:56:47 <KotCzarny> clin: you need to add /usr/local/lib to your /etc/ld.so.conf
Mar 05 22:56:51 <KotCzarny> and run: ldconfig
Mar 05 22:57:08 <KotCzarny> that will allow os to find fuselib in /usr/local
Mar 05 22:57:32 <KotCzarny> next step is: insmod /usr/local/lib/modules/fuse.ko
Mar 05 22:57:35 <cLin> when i use tar, is it supposr to tellme if it uncompressed it?
Mar 05 22:57:47 <KotCzarny> if you used -v then yes
Mar 05 22:57:49 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 22:57:50 <briand> it would if you specified -v
Mar 05 22:57:51 <briand> ;)
Mar 05 22:57:53 <cLin> oh
Mar 05 22:58:02 <cLin> i used yours kotc
Mar 05 22:58:06 <cLin> so i guess it did it..
Mar 05 22:58:06 <KotCzarny> otherwise if it doesn't tell you anything that means 'no errors'
Mar 05 22:58:37 <cLin> ok
Mar 05 22:58:40 <ssvb> KotCzarny: mmc is very fast (~5MB/s on 770) and does not load cpu (16% of cpu usage doing cp to /dev/null), that's a lot better than wlan
Mar 05 22:58:41 <cLin> ok, so i did that
Mar 05 22:59:09 <cLin> now i need to add /usr/local/lib to my ld.so.conf?
Mar 05 22:59:10 <KotCzarny> clin: now try: sshfs laptop_ip:/ /mnt/somedir
Mar 05 22:59:18 <KotCzarny> yes
Mar 05 22:59:22 <cLin> how do i do that
Mar 05 22:59:46 <KotCzarny> echo >> /etc/ld.so.conf /usr/local/lib
Mar 05 22:59:47 <cLin> nm
Mar 05 22:59:50 <zetheroo> for some reason when I pair the headset the sound icon does not turn into a headset icon???
Mar 05 23:00:15 <cLin> awesome
Mar 05 23:00:45 <cLin> i jsut ran ldconfig...
Mar 05 23:00:45 <KotCzarny> shouldn't report any errors
Mar 05 23:00:47 <cLin> didn't output anything and it's back at the line
Mar 05 23:00:48 <cLin> yea
Mar 05 23:00:57 <KotCzarny> now load fuse.ko
Mar 05 23:01:03 <cLin> wher
Mar 05 23:01:08 <cLin> where is that located
Mar 05 23:01:15 <KotCzarny> insmod /usr/local/lib/modules/fuse.ko
Mar 05 23:01:24 <cLin> what is insmod?
Mar 05 23:01:32 <briand> 'insert module'
Mar 05 23:01:36 <KotCzarny> tool to load kernel modules
Mar 05 23:01:38 <cLin> ok
Mar 05 23:01:47 <cLin> done
Mar 05 23:01:50 <cLin> no errors
Mar 05 23:01:58 <briand> now try the mount
Mar 05 23:02:01 <KotCzarny> now, do you have sshd server on your laptop?
Mar 05 23:02:12 <KotCzarny> or anywhere else?
Mar 05 23:02:21 <cLin> dont think so
Mar 05 23:02:27 <KotCzarny> linux or windows?
Mar 05 23:02:29 <zetheroo> anyone?
Mar 05 23:02:30 <cLin> windows
Mar 05 23:02:45 <KotCzarny> hmm
Mar 05 23:03:01 <KotCzarny> you will have to install one, or any scp compatible server
Mar 05 23:03:05 <cLin> ok
Mar 05 23:03:12 <briand> zetheroo: is it supposed to?  I don't know... don't have a bt headset.  main question is, does it work?
Mar 05 23:03:41 <zetheroo> briand: it pairs and I have used it before on a BT cell phone
Mar 05 23:04:00 <cLin> is sshd server basically openssh server for maemo
Mar 05 23:04:19 <briand> zetheroo: yes, you've already indicated that it paired up.  does it work?  (ie: run something that outputs sound, and see what you get)
Mar 05 23:04:20 <KotCzarny> yes, but you want your laptop to serve files, not your nokia
Mar 05 23:04:32 <cLin> ok, just trying to figure out what im lookig for
Mar 05 23:04:47 <cLin> i found a openssh for windows on sourceforge
Mar 05 23:05:03 <zetheroo> briand: no ... it does not do anything
Mar 05 23:05:24 <zetheroo> briand: the sound icon is supposed to change to a headset... but it doesn't
Mar 05 23:05:42 <briand> hmm.  i wonder if the bt in my tomtom will pair up with the bt in the n800 and provide gps...
Mar 05 23:05:52 <leif__> has anyone here tried poky 3.1 on 770 or N800 yet?
Mar 05 23:06:23 <KotCzarny> clin: you can also try cifs to mount windows 'network shares'
Mar 05 23:07:02 <johnx_> leif__, is that new?
Mar 05 23:07:08 <cLin> which is easier/less prone to stupid mistakes
Mar 05 23:07:09 <leif__> yeah
Mar 05 23:07:14 <leif__> http://pokylinux.org/blog/
Mar 05 23:07:23 <KotCzarny> clin: i wouldn't say that
Mar 05 23:07:33 <KotCzarny> i don't have good memories about m$ network
Mar 05 23:07:33 <KotCzarny> ;)
Mar 05 23:07:36 <johnx_> I wonder what they have working...
Mar 05 23:07:36 <cLin> oh
Mar 05 23:08:29 <KotCzarny> and when vista came it got even worse
Mar 05 23:08:30 <KotCzarny> :>
Mar 05 23:08:40 <KotCzarny> but it was doable
Mar 05 23:09:04 <cLin> ook, i just installed openssh and added my username to passwd file
Mar 05 23:09:23 <KotCzarny> try to ssh to it to confirm it's working
Mar 05 23:10:46 <GeneralAntilles> Booting it now, leif__.
Mar 05 23:11:07 <leif__> on which device?
Mar 05 23:11:12 <GeneralAntilles> N800
Mar 05 23:11:22 <cLin> connection refused. let's see whats wrong
Mar 05 23:11:25 * leif__ eagerly awaits a report
Mar 05 23:12:07 <johnx_> Go, guinea pig, go! :D
Mar 05 23:12:18 <briand> haha
Mar 05 23:12:26 <Jaffa> :)
Mar 05 23:12:49 <Jaffa> I like the bit of the changelog which says "Much improved support [...] Nokia internet tablets". Improved in what way?! ;;;;;;;;-)
Mar 05 23:13:20 <KotCzarny> in a much way
Mar 05 23:13:40 <KotCzarny> moocho improvediando
Mar 05 23:13:43 <johnx_> and what software versions are they using?...ok fine I'll flash it...
Mar 05 23:13:49 <leif__> Jaffa, yeah I also appreciated the lack of specifics there... it's an ADVENTURE !
Mar 05 23:13:55 <Jaffa> heh
Mar 05 23:14:02 <johnx_> but now I'm really curious...
Mar 05 23:14:33 <cLin> how do i set the password?
Mar 05 23:14:48 <KotCzarny> clin: maybe it's your windows pass?
Mar 05 23:14:51 <johnx_> on your tablet or desktop?
Mar 05 23:14:56 <cLin> doesnt seem like it
Mar 05 23:14:59 <cLin> desktop
Mar 05 23:15:05 <KotCzarny> maybe you need to synchronize them?
Mar 05 23:15:12 <johnx_> which ssh server are you using?
Mar 05 23:15:31 <cLin> opensshd for winddows
Mar 05 23:16:59 <briand> did you have a password on your windows machine before?
Mar 05 23:17:10 <cLin> no, i just set one
Mar 05 23:17:14 <lcuk> ok, this cpu throttling is seriously pissing me off.  is there any api in code that i can call to tell the system i would like my thread to run at fullspeed?
Mar 05 23:17:27 <cLin> im usually logged in as admin so i put administrator for username and my usualpw
Mar 05 23:18:34 <KotCzarny> lcuk: cpufreq
Mar 05 23:18:35 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 23:18:47 <KotCzarny> it's as simple as echo
Mar 05 23:19:07 <lcuk> no, if the program closes dirty the system will be left in an unfit state - there must be something i can do at the thread/process level to indicate priority
Mar 05 23:19:08 <GeneralAntilles> Still no easy way to activate vkb as far as I can tell.
Mar 05 23:19:09 <briand> lcuk: nice -20 ?
Mar 05 23:19:33 * GeneralAntilles falls back to the ultimate laptop.
Mar 05 23:20:12 <briand> GeneralAntilles: saw that pic... i'd say you've gone too far, once your keyboard is five times the size of your cpu and screen combined!
Mar 05 23:20:24 <GeneralAntilles> It actually works really nicely.
Mar 05 23:20:27 <GeneralAntilles> Quite convenient.
Mar 05 23:20:36 <lcuk> lemme see ant
Mar 05 23:20:43 <briand> I'll bet.  I planned on doing the same thing while @ home with mine..
Mar 05 23:20:45 <GeneralAntilles> Mostly it was just a joke when I toke the picture, then it turned out OK. <_<
Mar 05 23:20:49 <GeneralAntilles> http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/ultimatelaptop.jpg
Mar 05 23:21:01 <lcuk> in my head it sounds like my cradle + wireless apple kb strung together
Mar 05 23:21:11 <briand> now, i just need to find a comfortable, affordable, durable USB keyboard...
Mar 05 23:21:27 <johnx_> wow...that looks somewhat less portable than my usb keyboard...
Mar 05 23:22:01 <briand> i also ordered an iGo stowaway that should be here on friday or saturday
Mar 05 23:23:12 <cLin> ugh
Mar 05 23:23:27 <KotCzarny> hmm?
Mar 05 23:23:38 <cLin> cant get openssh to work
Mar 05 23:23:46 <cLin> password won't go thru
Mar 05 23:23:50 <leif__> lol @ http://o-hand.com/about/ where the image heading says "About us. Kind of like the 'Millenium Falcon' of FLOSS or worst case, an Ewok village."
Mar 05 23:23:57 <KotCzarny> have you started it?
Mar 05 23:24:02 <cLin> yea
Mar 05 23:24:11 <cLin> restarted to and I changed the passwd file
Mar 05 23:24:12 <johnx_> lcuk, I think they're talking about that stuff in this thread: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/32381?search_string=dsp%20400;#32381
Mar 05 23:24:19 <johnx_> mainly the stuff about OP_CPU_H
Mar 05 23:24:45 <KotCzarny> clin: hmm
Mar 05 23:25:10 <KotCzarny> is it cygwin or standalone?
Mar 05 23:25:23 <cLin> http://sshwindows.sourceforge.net/
Mar 05 23:25:54 <KotCzarny> not much in the documentation section
Mar 05 23:25:55 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 23:26:11 <cLin> :\
Mar 05 23:27:12 <leif__> GeneralAntilles, does wifi work?
Mar 05 23:27:23 <GeneralAntilles> Not sure yet
Mar 05 23:27:26 <GeneralAntilles> It sees my network
Mar 05 23:27:41 <GeneralAntilles> but keeps asking for a password, seeming to connect, then asking for a password again when I try to use it.
Mar 05 23:27:58 <KotCzarny> clin: what username?
Mar 05 23:28:12 <leif__> well that sounds much more promising than the version i tried months ago
Mar 05 23:28:14 <cLin> im pretty sure its administrator
Mar 05 23:28:28 <KotCzarny> with a big or lower 'a' ?
Mar 05 23:28:30 <leif__> what kind of authentication does your network use?
Mar 05 23:28:53 <cLin> its case sensitive?
Mar 05 23:28:56 <KotCzarny> yes.
Mar 05 23:29:04 <KotCzarny> whole *nix is case sensitive
Mar 05 23:29:09 <cLin> big A
Mar 05 23:29:16 <GeneralAntilles> WPA2
Mar 05 23:29:17 <KotCzarny> try with lower?
Mar 05 23:29:22 <cLin> is there anyway to find the list of users i ihave made?
Mar 05 23:29:24 <cLin> tried both
Mar 05 23:29:29 <KotCzarny> http://erdelynet.com/archive/ssh-l/2003-01/1146.html
Mar 05 23:29:29 <GeneralAntilles> Hrm . . . froze it again.
Mar 05 23:29:32 <KotCzarny> maybe this
Mar 05 23:30:00 * GeneralAntilles gives up.
Mar 05 23:34:05 <lcuk> ultimate laptop? pah!   >>> http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/1603/810cratelaptopmodetc6.jpg
Mar 05 23:34:17 <KotCzarny> lol
Mar 05 23:34:31 <KotCzarny> is that a rubber band?
Mar 05 23:34:32 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 23:34:50 <lcuk> note the high performance nano-elastic webbing ;)
Mar 05 23:34:55 <GeneralAntilles> The Apple bluetooth board is disturbingly compact.
Mar 05 23:35:10 <cLin> ok, i got it working
Mar 05 23:35:12 <lcuk> but it feels huge - i feel like a kid typing on a grown up computer
Mar 05 23:35:14 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 23:35:39 <lcuk> johnx_, thank you :) i will read right now
Mar 05 23:35:44 <cLin> ok, now i think its a firewall problem. n800 cant ssh into my laptop but i can do it myself
Mar 05 23:35:47 <cLin> ugh
Mar 05 23:36:00 <Navi> GeneralAntilles, how's it disturbing
Mar 05 23:36:02 <KotCzarny> add a port in win fw
Mar 05 23:36:15 <GeneralAntilles> It's very small, Navi. :P
Mar 05 23:36:19 <Navi> Is it one of those strunk down keyboards?
Mar 05 23:36:26 <cLin> am
Mar 05 23:36:29 <Navi> s/strunk/shrunk/
Mar 05 23:36:30 <infobot> Navi meant: Is it one of those shrunk down keyboards?
Mar 05 23:36:37 <lcuk> navi, look at my link
Mar 05 23:36:37 <GeneralAntilles> It's a standalone Macbook board, basically.
Mar 05 23:36:46 <johnx_> strunk? does that result in small and stinky?
Mar 05 23:36:51 <GeneralAntilles> Super thin.
Mar 05 23:37:01 <Navi> http://www.apple.com/keyboard/
Mar 05 23:37:05 <lcuk> exceeding good quality though
Mar 05 23:37:06 <cLin> ok im in
Mar 05 23:37:09 <cLin> what do i do now
Mar 05 23:37:19 <KotCzarny> clin that was only for testing connection
Mar 05 23:37:23 <lcuk> my fingers just want to work with it
Mar 05 23:37:27 <cLin> oh
Mar 05 23:37:31 <Navi> lcuk, agreed, I guess
Mar 05 23:37:41 <Navi> but annoying
Mar 05 23:37:41 <cLin> lcuk: how's the tactile feedback on it?
Mar 05 23:37:44 <KotCzarny> now simply do: mkdir /media/laptop; sshfs user@laptop_ip:/ /media/laptop
Mar 05 23:37:45 <cLin> i need a new keyboard
Mar 05 23:37:46 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 23:37:50 <cLin> my spacebar is so fucked up
Mar 05 23:38:04 <GeneralAntilles> cLin, just like any other laptop keyboard. :P
Mar 05 23:38:13 <GeneralAntilles> Buckling spring > *
Mar 05 23:38:14 <Navi> except silent
Mar 05 23:38:15 <KotCzarny> you will probably have to use -o allow_others too
Mar 05 23:38:19 <cLin> really? the macbook pro keyboards dont look like that
Mar 05 23:38:23 <KotCzarny> or run that command as user
Mar 05 23:38:26 <lcuk> its light, but you press the keys enough and you know when you got it cleanly - infact so far i haven't not got it clean.  i type better on there than on this one
Mar 05 23:38:28 <Navi> cLin, flat keys
Mar 05 23:38:34 <GeneralAntilles> Macbook, not Macbook Pro.
Mar 05 23:38:53 <cLin> for the second /media/laptop, is that suppose to be a path?
Mar 05 23:38:59 <Navi> cLin, http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/macbook/faq/macbook-how-keyboard-feels.html
Mar 05 23:39:02 <KotCzarny> jsut a suggestion
Mar 05 23:39:10 <KotCzarny> you may prefer another dir
Mar 05 23:39:28 <cLin> but what is it? is that the directoryi drop thefiles into?
Mar 05 23:39:35 <cLin> is there a way to get it to see the whole drive?
Mar 05 23:39:57 <KotCzarny> all drives on target mounted as a single dir
Mar 05 23:40:07 <KotCzarny> you can mount specific dir
Mar 05 23:40:27 <KotCzarny> fe. sshfs user@laptop_ip:/cygdrive/d/mp3 /media/laptop
Mar 05 23:40:33 <cLin> so how i mount something like c:\documents and settings\username\desktop
Mar 05 23:40:49 <KotCzarny> remember that on *nix it's '/'
Mar 05 23:40:51 <KotCzarny> not '\'
Mar 05 23:40:56 <cLin> or rather, whats the format? the firstpath vs second
Mar 05 23:40:57 <cLin> oh
Mar 05 23:41:16 <cLin> would / be equivalent to c:/?
Mar 05 23:41:23 <KotCzarny> sshfs "user@laptop_ip:/cygdrive/c/documents and settings/username/desktop" /media/laptop
Mar 05 23:41:27 <cLin> oh
Mar 05 23:41:34 <cLin> so the /media/laptop is what appears on the n800?
Mar 05 23:41:43 <KotCzarny> other way
Mar 05 23:41:56 <johnx_> everything appears "under" /media/laptop
Mar 05 23:42:01 <cLin> oh
Mar 05 23:42:07 <AJayMN> anyone know of a wifi locator signal strenght meter for Nokia 770?
Mar 05 23:42:07 <cLin> do i need /cygdrive/?
Mar 05 23:42:20 <KotCzarny> clin: that's my guess
Mar 05 23:42:37 <KotCzarny> because i don't know how that openssh server for win exports drives
Mar 05 23:42:45 <KotCzarny> if it's based on cygwin then probably yes
Mar 05 23:43:00 <cLin> then what?
Mar 05 23:43:01 <KotCzarny> just mount / and browse
Mar 05 23:43:05 <cLin> after i type that command
Mar 05 23:43:25 <KotCzarny> ls /media/laptop
Mar 05 23:43:25 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 23:44:56 <plb> hm what apps does maemoscrobbler work with?
Mar 05 23:45:30 <cLin> xmms?
Mar 05 23:45:36 <KotCzarny> yes
Mar 05 23:45:39 <plb> that's it?
Mar 05 23:46:05 <KotCzarny> context switch, argh
Mar 05 23:46:06 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 23:46:42 <cLin> permissions must be boinked. ican ssh from laptop but not from n800. connects though, just get permission denied
Mar 05 23:47:39 <b0unc3> guys, any idea on how to check if a program/daemon is running ?
Mar 05 23:47:41 <cLin> oh, permissions, not access
Mar 05 23:47:55 <KotCzarny> clin: sshfs command worked?
Mar 05 23:47:59 <cLin> think so
Mar 05 23:48:08 <cLin> Nokia-N800-51-3:~# sshfs clin@192.168.1.64:/ /media/laptop
Mar 05 23:48:08 <cLin> clin@192.168.1.64's password:
Mar 05 23:48:08 <cLin> clin@192.168.1.64:/: Permission denied
Mar 05 23:48:20 <cLin> i dont think the fodler is correct
Mar 05 23:48:27 <KotCzarny> hum
Mar 05 23:48:42 <KotCzarny> can you login to clin@192.168.1.64 via ssh ?
Mar 05 23:48:55 <cLin> yea
Mar 05 23:48:57 <cLin> im logged in
Mar 05 23:49:07 <KotCzarny> maybe it has got sftp disabled
Mar 05 23:49:12 <KotCzarny> (on windows)
Mar 05 23:49:27 <cLin> when im in ssh, how do i quit?
Mar 05 23:49:32 <KotCzarny> exit
Mar 05 23:49:34 <KotCzarny> or ctrl-d
Mar 05 23:49:43 <KotCzarny> or logut
Mar 05 23:49:45 <cLin> of course, soemthing that obvious
Mar 05 23:49:47 <KotCzarny> logout
Mar 05 23:49:59 <cLin> ok
Mar 05 23:50:01 <cLin> i think it worked
Mar 05 23:50:04 <cLin> Nokia-N800-51-3:~£ sshfs clin@192.168.1.64:/ /media/laptop
Mar 05 23:50:04 <cLin> clin@192.168.1.64's password:
Mar 05 23:50:04 <cLin> Nokia-N800-51-3:~£
Mar 05 23:50:13 <KotCzarny> ls /media/laptop
Mar 05 23:50:39 <cLin> i see a bunchof my desktop files
Mar 05 23:50:41 <cLin> which is what i set home to be
Mar 05 23:50:44 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 23:51:07 <KotCzarny> now if you want media player to see them
Mar 05 23:51:11 <cLin> so to get to the pointof all this, how would i watch it
Mar 05 23:51:25 <KotCzarny> you will have to add -o allow_others for that sshfs command
Mar 05 23:51:38 <cLin> "add -o allow_others" ?
Mar 05 23:51:42 <KotCzarny> no
Mar 05 23:51:48 <cLin> sshfs -o allow_others
Mar 05 23:51:50 <KotCzarny> sshfs clin@192.168.1.64:/ /media/laptop -o allow_others
Mar 05 23:51:53 <cLin> oh
Mar 05 23:52:03 <KotCzarny> can be at the beginning too
Mar 05 23:52:05 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 23:52:30 <cLin> Nokia-N800-51-3:~£ sshfs clin@192.168.1.64:/ /media/laptop -o allow_others
Mar 05 23:52:30 <cLin> clin@192.168.1.64's password:
Mar 05 23:52:30 <cLin> fuse: mountpoint is not empty
Mar 05 23:52:30 <cLin> fuse: if you are sure this is safe, use the 'nonempty' mount option
Mar 05 23:52:30 <cLin> Nokia-N800-51-3:~£
Mar 05 23:52:32 <KotCzarny> don't forget to umount /media/laptop first
Mar 05 23:52:33 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 23:52:35 <cLin> oh
Mar 05 23:52:36 <cLin> yea
Mar 05 23:52:55 <cLin> unknown option allow_others
Mar 05 23:53:00 <KotCzarny> try allow_other
Mar 05 23:53:15 <cLin> ok, works
Mar 05 23:53:18 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 23:53:28 <cLin> then ls /media/laptop
Mar 05 23:53:33 <cLin> ls = mount?
Mar 05 23:53:33 <pupnik> You should dedicate your life to working on game ports under my oversight and direction
Mar 05 23:53:36 <KotCzarny> ls == dir
Mar 05 23:53:42 <KotCzarny> (list dir)
Mar 05 23:53:59 <KotCzarny> pupnik: ok, but you do the dishes
Mar 05 23:54:00 <cLin> so how do iview the files now?
Mar 05 23:54:06 <AJayMN> anyone know where i can get kismet for nokia 770? i cant find a link to download the deb
Mar 05 23:54:09 <pupnik> yes i love doing dishes
Mar 05 23:54:16 <KotCzarny> clin: open your media player and simply navigate to /media/laptop
Mar 05 23:54:50 <KotCzarny> works for any app
Mar 05 23:54:53 <cLin> also KotCzarny,if i set me sftp home directory to c:\doc\folder\desktop, i wouldnt be able to do to like another drive would i?
Mar 05 23:54:59 <KotCzarny> in fact it looks for the os as a local dir
Mar 05 23:55:10 <KotCzarny> and even better you can write to it too
Mar 05 23:55:11 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 23:56:08 <cLin> have you used mplayer before? these are the options when I click open file, its either the main folder it sees with the audio clips, docs, games,images or removable media
Mar 05 23:56:11 <cLin> i cant see /media/laptop
Mar 05 23:56:24 <johnx_> AJayMN, look on gronmayer.com/it
Mar 05 23:56:39 <KotCzarny> clin: it should have 'open' in menu
Mar 05 23:56:51 <cLin> yea i know
Mar 05 23:56:57 <cLin> those are the directories i see in that
Mar 05 23:57:36 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 23:57:48 <cLin> no, :(
Mar 05 23:57:57 <KotCzarny> you don't want metalayer-crawl to get there though :)
Mar 05 23:57:59 <KotCzarny> hmm?
Mar 05 23:58:12 <cLin> iturned it off cause it lagged the n800 to a crawl
Mar 05 23:58:49 <KotCzarny> good
Mar 05 23:58:51 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 05 23:58:58 <cLin> you were the one that told me :P
Mar 05 23:59:08 <cLin> but now ineed tofigure out a way to get to /media/laptop on mplayer
Mar 05 23:59:47 <AJayMN> johnx_ only 1 repository has it listed but the repo is empty
Mar 05 23:59:54 <KotCzarny> clin: use file manager?
Mar 05 23:59:54 <johnx_> ah
Mar 06 00:00:15 <cLin> dont those videos open in the default nokia plaer?
Mar 06 00:00:28 <cLin> and its not listed there either
Mar 06 00:00:39 <KotCzarny> just try clicking some vid
Mar 06 00:01:27 <cLin> is there a way for file manager to see hidden fiels?
Mar 06 00:01:39 <KotCzarny> hidden?
Mar 06 00:01:43 <cLin> files
Mar 06 00:02:13 <cLin> right now it only seems to see /home/user/MyDocs, removable media and bluetooth
Mar 06 00:02:24 <cLin> i'd like it to see the whole structure
Mar 06 00:02:47 <febb> hi all again:
Mar 06 00:03:27 <febb> Anyone knows how to "open" a firmware image file and mount it on a local (linux) PC disk ? (as to access the image's contents)
Mar 06 00:03:39 <KotCzarny> clin: that's probably under /cygwin
Mar 06 00:03:55 <cLin> ?
Mar 06 00:04:05 <ynezz> febb: use flasher to unpack jffs image
Mar 06 00:04:50 <KotCzarny> erm. paste via pm to me what you see when you do ls -al /media/laptop
Mar 06 00:05:10 <febb> I have flashed -u -F the image file,  it "unpacked"...but now I do have trouble mounting the rootfs.jffs2  through the loop device...
Mar 06 00:05:27 <febb> even tough I do have the jffs2 kernel module...
Mar 06 00:05:37 <lcuk> clin, that particular file manager is locked to the "user friendly" paths, you have to add a symlink to the root into mydocs to have the entire tree - but then people say there are problems with metalayer crawler
Mar 06 00:05:50 <plb> hm so maemoscrobbler only works with xmms?
Mar 06 00:05:52 <cLin> i turned metalayer off though
Mar 06 00:06:01 <KotCzarny> btw. there's a nice file manager
Mar 06 00:06:28 <KotCzarny> emelfm2
Mar 06 00:06:36 <cLin> is it a easy deb file?
Mar 06 00:07:16 <cLin> appears it is
Mar 06 00:07:29 <yabbas> right - where can I host this deb?
Mar 06 00:07:33 <cLin> is there a command i can use to open the browser and go to a web address?
Mar 06 00:07:50 <lcuk> clin and KotCzarny, thanks by the way - im gonna get openssh for windows installed so i can connect both the nokia and the vmware box :)
Mar 06 00:07:57 <ynezz> febb: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ModifyingRootImage/#635bc72ec613af4d33da40e88984f749
Mar 06 00:07:59 <KotCzarny> lcuk: lol
Mar 06 00:08:01 <cLin> haha
Mar 06 00:08:02 <lamia> :)
Mar 06 00:08:05 <KotCzarny> hi lamia
Mar 06 00:08:12 <cLin> this should be pretty awesome once i can get mplayer to see the files
Mar 06 00:08:14 <lamia> KotCzarny: Hello :D
Mar 06 00:08:29 <cLin> maybe i should make it /home/user/MyDocs/.media instead of /media/laptop
Mar 06 00:08:36 <cLin> mplayer should be able to pick that up right
Mar 06 00:08:50 <KotCzarny> clin: or subdir of .media
Mar 06 00:08:57 <KotCzarny> it's up to you
Mar 06 00:08:59 <cLin> lets try that
Mar 06 00:09:00 <yabbas> Can someone suggest a good free file host? :)
Mar 06 00:09:02 <KotCzarny> and your needs :)
Mar 06 00:09:03 <lcuk> if it works i will code directly from the windows partition, then call a shell script within the vmware to make/deploy for instant testing "directly" from a windows editor :)
Mar 06 00:09:10 <cLin> so unmount, then redo sshfs and remount?
Mar 06 00:09:12 <febb> ynezz: Thanks.  but I already did all that. Even ran the scripts, my problem lies on: a can'r read superblock error with one script
Mar 06 00:09:24 <KotCzarny> lcuk: that's what i do
Mar 06 00:09:37 <febb> and  "no space left on device" with the other script. (And this is NOT related to my physical available disk space).
Mar 06 00:10:00 <johnx_> febb, I tried to unpack it for you...but I'm running into problems as well :/
Mar 06 00:10:01 <lcuk> no bugger tells anyone that - its all "use linux to do dev work from the console with scratchbox" ... ;)
Mar 06 00:10:10 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 00:10:24 <KotCzarny> lcuk: remember to take notes
Mar 06 00:10:29 <KotCzarny> and whip a howto
Mar 06 00:10:33 <lcuk> i have lots of irc files :)
Mar 06 00:10:39 <cLin> if i make a .directory under MyDocs
Mar 06 00:10:49 <cLin> would it show up like the others do in my N800?
Mar 06 00:10:52 <KotCzarny> don't use .
Mar 06 00:10:57 <febb> johnx_  are you experiencing kind of the same errors I just typed here ?
Mar 06 00:10:58 <KotCzarny> it means 'hidden' on linux
Mar 06 00:10:59 <cLin> like the .documents shows up as Documents
Mar 06 00:11:15 <KotCzarny> and you media player can filter it off
Mar 06 00:11:23 <johnx_> basically mtdram emulates a NAND device in RAM, so you have to feed it the size of the device to emulate when loading the module, however I apparently don't have enough memory spare to allocate 64M for the image
Mar 06 00:11:29 <febb> Johnx_ :  Thanks for attempting that to help me, by the way.. !!!
Mar 06 00:11:48 <johnx_> febb, try rmmod mtdram ; modprobe mtdram total_size=64000
Mar 06 00:11:51 <johnx_> sure :)
Mar 06 00:12:05 <febb> johnx_   did that already....  no good.
Mar 06 00:12:14 <johnx_> can't allocate the memory?
Mar 06 00:12:20 <yabbas> !seen penguinbait
Mar 06 00:12:49 <cLin> oh shoot
Mar 06 00:12:50 <cLin> it worksss
Mar 06 00:12:52 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 00:13:04 <cLin> i mean, mplayer doesnt list it so i need to open > directory > file
Mar 06 00:13:05 <cLin> but it works
Mar 06 00:13:09 <KotCzarny> yes
Mar 06 00:13:18 <KotCzarny> btw. mplayer is another app
Mar 06 00:13:27 <KotCzarny> media player is the one you're using
Mar 06 00:13:28 <KotCzarny> i guess
Mar 06 00:13:29 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 00:13:44 <febb> the mthe modprobe thing loads fine, even with a larger sze. But the scripts do fail. with "can't read superblock"
Mar 06 00:14:18 <cLin> im using mplayer
Mar 06 00:14:28 <cLin> it says...mplayer
Mar 06 00:14:34 <KotCzarny> hum
Mar 06 00:14:35 <KotCzarny> ok
Mar 06 00:14:36 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 00:14:40 <KotCzarny> sorry then
Mar 06 00:14:44 <johnx_> febb, try this: http://www.handhelds.org/hypermail/familiar/62/6232.html
Mar 06 00:14:48 <plb> <3 mplayer ;]
Mar 06 00:14:49 <ynezz> febb: it works here
Mar 06 00:14:53 <johnx_> specifically the dd line
Mar 06 00:15:09 <cLin> bit laggy
Mar 06 00:15:21 <KotCzarny> clin: wifi power saving, i guess
Mar 06 00:15:23 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 00:15:34 <cLin> needs more wifi
Mar 06 00:15:37 <febb> weird:   I still get "no space left on device" and later on "can't read superblock"...
Mar 06 00:15:54 <johnx_> febb, what line are you using for loading mtdram?
Mar 06 00:16:09 <KotCzarny> clin: you can also try cifs
Mar 06 00:16:30 <febb> what you just typed:  modprobe mtdram total_size=64000
Mar 06 00:16:50 <johnx_> hmm...rootfs should be 58MB
Mar 06 00:16:51 <ynezz> try bigger size
Mar 06 00:16:51 <febb> actually it is also on the scripts from the page: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ModifyingRootImage/#635bc72ec613af4d33da40e88984f749
Mar 06 00:17:08 <febb> I have also changed the 64000 to 128000
Mar 06 00:17:13 <ynezz> more
Mar 06 00:17:22 <ynezz> my rootfs is about 130MB
Mar 06 00:17:29 <febb> to no avail...
Mar 06 00:17:38 <KotCzarny> mine is ~300mb
Mar 06 00:17:46 <febb> lets try a bigger memory number... what about 256000..... lets see:
Mar 06 00:17:47 <KotCzarny> when copied to ext3 partition
Mar 06 00:19:58 <ynezz> 184M    /media/jffs
Mar 06 00:25:48 <febb> same thing with 512000 ! as sieze
Mar 06 00:25:53 <febb> size
Mar 06 00:25:59 <johnx_> craziness
Mar 06 00:26:17 <febb> you bet ! :\
Mar 06 00:26:18 <johnx_> so it lets you load mtdram total_size=51200 but still says out of space?
Mar 06 00:26:31 <febb> yeah.
Mar 06 00:26:44 <febb> even  if I do it "manually" typing each command.
Mar 06 00:26:45 <johnx_> you remembered to rmmod mtdram before modprobe'ing it again, right?
Mar 06 00:26:49 <febb> sure
Mar 06 00:26:56 <KotCzarny> can be 'out of inodes' too
Mar 06 00:27:05 <febb> nope, just checked that also.
Mar 06 00:27:15 <KotCzarny> what are you doing anyway?
Mar 06 00:27:15 <johnx_> and when you dd the image onto the 512MB mtd0 you still get out of space?
Mar 06 00:27:18 <febb> its a new disk...fresh linuxi nstall and almost all is free
Mar 06 00:27:19 <johnx_> how far does dd get?
Mar 06 00:27:43 <johnx_> KotCzarny, trying to extract one file out of a 770 image
Mar 06 00:27:58 <KotCzarny> maybe that image has some header applied?
Mar 06 00:28:42 <KotCzarny> btw. fanoush scripts can extract jffs partition
Mar 06 00:28:44 <febb> looks like   86425600 out of 86428800 bytes..... but not sure.
Mar 06 00:28:47 <KotCzarny> maybe you can look at them
Mar 06 00:33:28 <KotCzarny> yawn. breakfast time
Mar 06 00:33:29 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 00:35:51 <plb> vagalume is pretty nice
Mar 06 00:36:14 <johnx_> yeah, I really dig the "do one thing, and do it well" design :)
Mar 06 00:36:26 <plb> wonder if it will be in maemo extras anytime soon
Mar 06 00:36:35 <GeneralAntilles> Isn't it?
Mar 06 00:36:43 <plb> I don't see it
Mar 06 00:36:55 <KotCzarny> do you have exttras enabled?
Mar 06 00:37:00 <plb> yep
Mar 06 00:38:58 <KotCzarny> you're right
Mar 06 00:39:27 <plb> anyone else have an update to map but not able to install it?
Mar 06 00:39:44 <KotCzarny> map?
Mar 06 00:39:49 <KotCzarny> you mean nokia's map app?
Mar 06 00:39:55 <plb> ya
Mar 06 00:39:57 <GeneralAntilles> Just uninstall it then reinstall it.
Mar 06 00:39:58 <KotCzarny> dump it
Mar 06 00:40:03 <KotCzarny> maemo-mapper roolez
Mar 06 00:40:04 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 00:40:09 <plb> application manager says it has an update but it won't let me install it
Mar 06 00:40:26 <plb> ok
Mar 06 00:41:39 <nwidger> hello, does anyone know why my contacts list has started showinf 3-5 copies of the same contact for every contact in my list?
Mar 06 00:41:51 <nwidger> *showing
Mar 06 00:42:18 <johnx_> maybe it imported contacts from different sources? do they have slightly different info?
Mar 06 00:42:45 <nwidger> no they're all from my AIM buddy list
Mar 06 00:42:55 <nwidger> im using the rtcomm beta
Mar 06 00:43:09 <johnx_> that would probably be a bug then :)
Mar 06 00:43:09 <nwidger> it's been working fine for weeks, though
Mar 06 00:43:24 <nwidger> then for no reason this started
Mar 06 00:44:04 <johnx_> like i said, probably a bug. Are there release notes for rtcomm somewhere?
Mar 06 00:44:13 <nwidger> dunno
Mar 06 00:44:14 <johnx_> or check their bug tracker to see if it was reported
Mar 06 00:44:24 <nwidger> hmm okay
Mar 06 00:44:27 <nwidger> well thanks
Mar 06 00:44:43 <johnx_> sure :)
Mar 06 00:47:28 <febb> yeah, same thing always.   seems the dd does not finish   and then a can't read superblock.
Mar 06 00:47:42 <febb> have tried two different images now... directly from nokia's site.
Mar 06 00:50:05 <KotCzarny> who was missing frozen bubble? http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/pengupop/
Mar 06 00:50:08 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 00:52:04 <johnx_> GeneralAntilles, yeah, I doubt the poky guys have are including a wireless module with WEXT18 support
Mar 06 00:53:28 <johnx_> and it seems like they didn't figure out sound either...or didn't bother :/
Mar 06 00:54:12 <KotCzarny> would be the problem to install nokia's kernel & modules ?
Mar 06 00:54:38 <johnx_> KotCzarny, sound is implemented on the dsp through gst plugins...all binary only
Mar 06 00:54:47 <johnx_> it's kind of a pain to make it work in something besides ITOS
Mar 06 00:54:49 <KotCzarny> hmm
Mar 06 00:55:05 <johnx_> and the module nokia has doesn't support linux wireless extensions since they don't need them
Mar 06 00:55:21 <KotCzarny> hmmhmm
Mar 06 00:55:25 <johnx_> there is a patch for that floating around, but I guess they didn't bother to apply it
Mar 06 00:56:10 <johnx_> the poky interface looks kind of nice, but I don't think we need yet another interface for mobile Linux...I mean there is such a thing as too many...
Mar 06 00:56:51 <GeneralAntilles> No, never.
Mar 06 00:58:17 <KotCzarny> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=150470
Mar 06 00:58:18 <KotCzarny> hum
Mar 06 00:59:10 * KotCzarny saves the patch
Mar 06 01:00:32 <KotCzarny> i will fiddle with it later
Mar 06 01:05:00 <KotCzarny> There are some problems with the WE-18 patch. For example, you have to
Mar 06 01:05:00 <KotCzarny> specify either TKIP or AES to wpa_supplicant.conf. If use both, it
Mar 06 01:05:01 <KotCzarny> will not work. We will investigate this more as time permits.
Mar 06 01:05:10 <KotCzarny> can be usefull tip
Mar 06 01:05:16 <KotCzarny> (saved too)
Mar 06 01:05:16 <johnx_> it "works for me" without any of that
Mar 06 01:05:25 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 01:05:40 <KotCzarny> maybe they fixed it since then
Mar 06 01:05:44 <johnx_> nope
Mar 06 01:05:45 <johnx_> same patch
Mar 06 01:05:54 <KotCzarny> but mail is from jan 24th
Mar 06 01:05:55 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 01:06:09 <johnx_> and patch is from before that
Mar 06 01:06:13 <johnx_> what's your point?
Mar 06 01:06:53 <KotCzarny> it's still fresh
Mar 06 01:06:54 <KotCzarny> i guess
Mar 06 01:07:09 <KotCzarny> btw. is there easy way to have multiple kernels in boot menu?
Mar 06 01:07:15 <johnx_> nope
Mar 06 01:07:22 <johnx_> the boot menu happens after the kernel is loaded
Mar 06 01:07:29 <KotCzarny> or i should compile kernnel+initfs + kexec
Mar 06 01:07:54 <johnx_> AFAIK, the flow is: nolo -> kernel -> initfs (where boot menu is run) -> rootfs
Mar 06 01:08:10 <KotCzarny> so i guess kexec is the only way for now
Mar 06 01:08:12 <johnx_> yeah, give kexec a shot I guess
Mar 06 01:08:21 <KotCzarny> not that i need it now
Mar 06 01:08:25 <johnx_> or you can tell nokia flasher to load a kernel without flashing it
Mar 06 01:08:35 <KotCzarny> i don't use nokia flasher
Mar 06 01:08:36 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 01:08:52 <johnx_> or that open source flasher...
Mar 06 01:09:02 <johnx_> I think it supports the same thing
Mar 06 01:09:02 <KotCzarny> open source flasher == dd
Mar 06 01:09:03 <KotCzarny> ;)
Mar 06 01:09:06 <johnx_> O_o
Mar 06 01:09:29 <KotCzarny> why complicate simple things
Mar 06 01:09:31 <johnx_> have you actually used that or are you just saying that's what you plan to use?
Mar 06 01:09:41 <KotCzarny> i have used fanoush script
Mar 06 01:09:48 <KotCzarny> let me see what it uses
Mar 06 01:10:06 <johnx_> gee, I dunno, if you type a 1 instead of a 2 you could turn your device into a brick
Mar 06 01:10:23 <KotCzarny> not really
Mar 06 01:10:23 <Redline`> so is anyone here using webkit on their tablet yet? if so, how do you like it?
Mar 06 01:10:35 <johnx_> KotCzarny, yes, really
Mar 06 01:10:35 <cLin> whats the command to delete a file? del <filename>?
Mar 06 01:10:40 <KotCzarny> rm
Mar 06 01:10:41 <johnx_> cLin, rm file
Mar 06 01:10:48 <cLin> ok
Mar 06 01:10:57 <johnx_> Redline`, I've used epiphany-webkit on Debian on the N800
Mar 06 01:11:07 <Redline`> fast?
Mar 06 01:11:14 <johnx_> it works nicely, I was especially impressed with how much faster google maps was
Mar 06 01:11:22 <Redline`> nice
Mar 06 01:11:28 <johnx_> past usable to almost enjoyable
Mar 06 01:11:33 <KotCzarny> johnx: i guess it uses some binary to access nand
Mar 06 01:12:38 <johnx_> either way, turning your tablet into a brick by writing to the wrong mtd partition had already been covered
Mar 06 01:12:45 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 01:12:53 <KotCzarny> but it worked on the first try
Mar 06 01:13:05 <KotCzarny> so 'it works for me'
Mar 06 01:13:08 <johnx_> heh
Mar 06 01:13:17 <KotCzarny> and easier than having second pc to do it
Mar 06 01:13:20 <johnx_> fine, whatever. Just don't tell n00bs to do it that way
Mar 06 01:13:24 <KotCzarny> ok
Mar 06 01:13:27 <Redline`> there's no real way to recover from that kind of brick, right? aside from sending it to nokia...
Mar 06 01:13:33 <KotCzarny> n00bs should fiddle with firmwares anyway
Mar 06 01:13:34 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 01:13:52 <KotCzarny> redline: probably serial flash
Mar 06 01:13:52 <Redline`> s/should/shouldn't/
Mar 06 01:14:11 <johnx_> Redline`, apparently you can do a "cold flash" but it involves wiring some leads up to the serial contacts inside the case and doing a cold flash
Mar 06 01:14:33 <Redline`> oic.
Mar 06 01:14:38 <Redline`> good to know.
Mar 06 01:14:52 <KotCzarny> johnx: it uses mtd-utils
Mar 06 01:15:05 <johnx_> yes, I know
Mar 06 01:15:07 <johnx_> not dd :)
Mar 06 01:15:11 <KotCzarny> so i guess that's what you called 'open source flasher'
Mar 06 01:15:12 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 01:15:16 <johnx_> er no
Mar 06 01:15:22 <johnx_> I was talking about something else
Mar 06 01:15:28 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 01:15:48 <johnx_> 0xffff is the open source flasher
Mar 06 01:15:49 <KotCzarny> my guess is as long as you have /dev/mtdblock you can use dd
Mar 06 01:15:55 <KotCzarny> but i can be wrong
Mar 06 01:16:05 <KotCzarny> i have 0xFFFF too
Mar 06 01:16:09 <KotCzarny> but never used it
Mar 06 01:16:15 <johnx_> maybe...and it probably won't brick it unless you write to the mtdblock that contains nolo
Mar 06 01:16:36 <KotCzarny> johnx: dmesg will show what's where
Mar 06 01:16:50 <johnx_> in which case you're screwed...it's just easier to make a typo that bricks your device if you're using dd
Mar 06 01:17:04 <KotCzarny> i know
Mar 06 01:17:20 <johnx_> so go for it...small gain for a big risk, but it's your choice
Mar 06 01:17:29 <KotCzarny> i already did
Mar 06 01:17:32 <KotCzarny> kernel and initfs too
Mar 06 01:17:39 <johnx_> with dd?
Mar 06 01:17:41 <KotCzarny> worked like a charm
Mar 06 01:17:42 <KotCzarny> nope
Mar 06 01:17:48 <KotCzarny> with fanoush's scripts
Mar 06 01:17:58 <johnx_> ah...yes, I've used those too
Mar 06 01:18:18 <shackan> anybody had success with something other than linux?
Mar 06 01:18:21 <shackan> say.. netbsd?
Mar 06 01:18:23 <rm_you> johnx_: ftp? :P
Mar 06 01:18:29 <KotCzarny> shackan: i doubt it
Mar 06 01:18:29 * rm_you leaves again for a bit
Mar 06 01:18:36 <KotCzarny> wifi/sound drivers are binary
Mar 06 01:18:37 <johnx_> rm_you, ack...let me poke at it
Mar 06 01:19:02 <johnx_> shackan, I don't think anyone has tried to get netbsd on it
Mar 06 01:19:16 <johnx_> nokia's bootloader is closed source, but I don't know if that's holding things up or not
Mar 06 01:19:30 <shackan> KotCzarny: I don't care about sound, as long as it boots it's enough
Mar 06 01:19:46 <KotCzarny> shackan: but wifi is still show stopper
Mar 06 01:20:06 <shackan> as I said, I just need that it boots
Mar 06 01:20:22 <KotCzarny> shackan: is there a way to boot netbsd from linux?
Mar 06 01:20:24 <KotCzarny> via kexec ?
Mar 06 01:20:43 <shackan> I guess no
Mar 06 01:21:06 <KotCzarny> i wonder if nolo will accept netbsd kernel
Mar 06 01:21:10 <johnx_> does netbsd support the omap2420?
Mar 06 01:21:18 <johnx_> if so, you have a place to start at least...
Mar 06 01:22:00 <KotCzarny> btw. if you flash wrong kernel can you restore it via usb?
Mar 06 01:22:24 <johnx_> KotCzarny, of course
Mar 06 01:22:34 <KotCzarny> then it may be worth a try
Mar 06 01:22:38 <johnx_> even if you flash a picture of your cat to the area where the kernel is :)
Mar 06 01:22:41 <rm_you> johnx_: is it possible to "brick" the n800 like you could with a zaurus? >_>
Mar 06 01:22:42 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 01:23:04 <johnx_> rm_you, *maybe* if you flash over nolo
Mar 06 01:23:04 <KotCzarny> the only way to brick n800 would be damaging nolo
Mar 06 01:23:05 <KotCzarny> i guess
Mar 06 01:23:14 <KotCzarny> but you can make a backup
Mar 06 01:23:16 <rm_you> so...
Mar 06 01:23:19 <KotCzarny> and serial flash it
Mar 06 01:23:19 <KotCzarny> :>
Mar 06 01:23:24 <rm_you> yeah :/
Mar 06 01:23:26 <KotCzarny> it's small
Mar 06 01:23:32 <KotCzarny> shouldn't be a problem
Mar 06 01:23:33 <rm_you> doesn't 51-3 flash nolo on there to begin with?
Mar 06 01:23:34 <johnx_> actually, definitely if you flash over nolo
Mar 06 01:23:37 <rm_you> so if that was corrupted wouldnt it die?
Mar 06 01:23:43 <johnx_> yes :)
Mar 06 01:23:47 <rm_you> nice.
Mar 06 01:23:51 <rm_you> >_<
Mar 06 01:23:54 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 01:24:02 <johnx_> when doing homebrew images *don't include nolo*
Mar 06 01:24:10 <KotCzarny> it's the same as flashing pc bios
Mar 06 01:24:11 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 01:24:19 <rm_you> yeah but those are hot-swappable >_>
Mar 06 01:24:24 <KotCzarny> :>
Mar 06 01:24:26 <KotCzarny> not all
Mar 06 01:24:34 <KotCzarny> especially laptop's
Mar 06 01:24:35 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 01:24:43 <rm_you> lol yeah, desktop PCs >_>
Mar 06 01:24:56 <johnx_> BIOS flashes still make me nervous :|
Mar 06 01:25:00 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 01:25:13 <KotCzarny> they usually have sanity check
Mar 06 01:26:31 <johnx_> a power outage will get you every time though...
Mar 06 01:26:41 <KotCzarny> not with a laptop
Mar 06 01:26:46 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 01:27:18 <johnx_> yeah, I feel a lot better about flashing my Zaurus than I do my desktop's BIOS
Mar 06 01:28:30 <GeneralAntilles> That's what you buy a UPS for.
Mar 06 01:29:25 <KotCzarny> hmm, nolo has 128kb of reserved spac
Mar 06 01:29:40 <johnx_> how can we harness this extra spac?
Mar 06 01:29:55 <KotCzarny> space
Mar 06 01:29:56 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 01:30:22 <KotCzarny> config is 376kb
Mar 06 01:30:27 <KotCzarny> wonder what that is
Mar 06 01:30:42 <KotCzarny> [    0.664062] 0x00000000-0x00020000 : "bootloader"
Mar 06 01:30:42 <KotCzarny> [    0.664062] 0x00020000-0x00080000 : "config"
Mar 06 01:30:42 <KotCzarny> [    0.664062] 0x00080000-0x00280000 : "kernel"
Mar 06 01:30:42 <KotCzarny> [    0.664062] 0x00280000-0x00480000 : "initfs"
Mar 06 01:30:42 <KotCzarny> [    0.671875] 0x00480000-0x10000000 : "rootfs"
Mar 06 01:31:08 <Redline`> anyone use the samsung keyboard? http://shopping.yahoo.com/p:Samsung%20AA-ORGPKG2%20Keyboard:1994170480;_ylt=ArfcPmIX8y8ykIEvYo0uuXiVI74F;_ylu=X3oDMTA4ZXVyOWdvBHNlYwNyZWNv
Mar 06 01:31:18 <johnx_> config? lock code? mac address?
Mar 06 01:31:27 <KotCzarny> johnx: 370kb of it?
Mar 06 01:31:44 <johnx_> for a big lock code?
Mar 06 01:32:01 <GeneralAntilles> Expensive keyboard, Redline`.
Mar 06 01:32:03 <KotCzarny> humungous could be better word then
Mar 06 01:32:15 <johnx_> well, that's the only place the lock code and MAC could live I think
Mar 06 01:32:34 <KotCzarny> let's see what sits there
Mar 06 01:33:13 <johnx_> that's an order of magnitude more than my cheap, small usb keyboard O_o I wonder if it's an order of magnitude better...
Mar 06 01:34:06 <Navi> johnx_, you went out and bought a cheap one?
Mar 06 01:34:24 <GeneralAntilles> Seems unlikely, johnx_.
Mar 06 01:34:42 <Redline`> General, yah. it has a button mouse on it. I'm not too fond of my stowaway BT kb. the samsung kb would easily fit in my gadget bag.
Mar 06 01:35:06 <KotCzarny> hmm
Mar 06 01:35:08 <KotCzarny> yeah
Mar 06 01:35:10 <GeneralAntilles> Redline`, have you looked at pckeyboard.com?
Mar 06 01:35:14 <KotCzarny> trackpoint would be usefull
Mar 06 01:35:14 <GeneralAntilles> They have something similar
Mar 06 01:35:21 <GeneralAntilles> Seems like I remember it being cheaper.
Mar 06 01:35:47 <febb> woo!...seems I have found couple of things:  jffs does not have a superblock
Mar 06 01:35:49 <KotCzarny> hmm
Mar 06 01:36:03 <KotCzarny> i guess that 'config' is secondary bootloader
Mar 06 01:36:25 <johnx_> KotCzarny, hmm? as in a backup or as in nolo loads config, config loads kernel?
Mar 06 01:36:35 <KotCzarny> probably
Mar 06 01:36:42 <johnx_> probably which?
Mar 06 01:36:50 <Redline`> 109 for the pckeyboard one.
Mar 06 01:36:52 <KotCzarny> but i may be wrong
Mar 06 01:36:54 <GeneralAntilles>   --kernel, -k <arg>            Location of kernel image
Mar 06 01:36:54 <GeneralAntilles>   --initfs, -n <arg>            Location of initfs image
Mar 06 01:36:54 <GeneralAntilles>   --rootfs, -r <arg>            Location of root JFFS2 image
Mar 06 01:36:55 <GeneralAntilles>   --xloader, -x <arg>           Location of X-Loader image
Mar 06 01:36:57 <GeneralAntilles>   --secondary, -s <arg>         Location of NOLO secondary bootloader image
Mar 06 01:36:59 <GeneralAntilles>   --2nd, -2 <arg>               Location of NOLO cold flasher ("2nd") image
Mar 06 01:37:46 <KotCzarny> otoh, it may really be config
Mar 06 01:37:58 <KotCzarny> strings like 'phone version' are there
Mar 06 01:38:07 <KotCzarny> lock code too
Mar 06 01:38:07 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 01:38:19 <johnx_> nice
Mar 06 01:38:36 <johnx_> some people with forgotten lock codes will be interested
Mar 06 01:38:45 <johnx_> hopefully they're comfortable with a hex editor...
Mar 06 01:38:52 <KotCzarny> :>
Mar 06 01:39:06 <Redline`> http://www.umpcportal.com/gallery/v/umpcjourno/
Mar 06 01:39:25 <KotCzarny> if you forget your lock code you won't get to your nokia even after firmware reflash?
Mar 06 01:39:41 <Redline`> there's some more pics of the samsung kb
Mar 06 01:39:53 <johnx_> you can get into it, but you can't change the lock code without knowing the current one
Mar 06 01:40:02 <johnx_> it just makes the "lock" function useless/annoying
Mar 06 01:40:09 <KotCzarny> nice
Mar 06 01:40:09 <nwidger> is there a channel for modest or should i ask questions here?
Mar 06 01:40:10 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 01:40:21 <johnx_> nwidger, ask away :)
Mar 06 01:40:22 <Redline`> kinda looks like the pc keyboard one is a tad bigger.
Mar 06 01:40:45 <nwidger> johnx_: oops, nevermind i just answered my own question
Mar 06 01:40:51 <johnx_> :D
Mar 06 01:40:53 <nwidger> okay i'm going to leave now :)
Mar 06 01:41:02 <KotCzarny> lol
Mar 06 01:41:14 <KotCzarny> johnx: your magic is strong
Mar 06 01:41:15 <KotCzarny> ;)
Mar 06 01:41:30 <johnx_> it will break for him as soon as he's out of the channel...
Mar 06 01:41:36 <KotCzarny> i know
Mar 06 01:41:37 <johnx_> probably cause a reboot loop too
Mar 06 01:41:37 <KotCzarny> but still
Mar 06 01:41:38 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 01:43:02 * KotCzarny did a backup of 'config' are just in case
Mar 06 01:43:04 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 01:43:08 <KotCzarny> *area
Mar 06 01:47:33 <Redline`> hrm. the pckeyboard is 13" wide. based on the pic that has the everun above the samsung, the samsung is just over 9" wide (the everun is 6"). if I could just find the samsung kb without the stupid carrying case, it might be the same price as the pckeyboard one. :\
Mar 06 01:47:59 <KotCzarny> what's the price difference?
Mar 06 01:49:50 <johnx_> you're really set on that trackpoint, huh?
Mar 06 01:49:56 * KotCzarny yes
Mar 06 01:50:17 <KotCzarny> it's much more convenient than reaching to screen everytime
Mar 06 01:50:18 <johnx_> cause, take that out of the equation and you can find a keyboard for $15
Mar 06 01:50:27 <KotCzarny> :/
Mar 06 01:51:02 <johnx_> this is the keyboard I have: http://www.faith-go.co.jp/lists/viewitem.asp?id=000000200521158&rk=01000q4h00001w
Mar 06 01:51:25 <KotCzarny> hmm
Mar 06 01:51:36 <Navi> Interesting keyboard
Mar 06 01:52:11 <johnx_> works fine, but the capslock/numlock LEDs won't light while connected to the tablet O_o
Mar 06 01:52:38 <KotCzarny> btw. you use it in usb host mode?
Mar 06 01:52:59 <KotCzarny> or works out of the box?
Mar 06 01:52:59 <GeneralAntilles> My caps key stays lit all the time.
Mar 06 01:52:59 <johnx_> yeah
Mar 06 01:53:15 <johnx_> usbcontrol + female-female usb adapter + keyboard
Mar 06 01:53:19 <KotCzarny> hum
Mar 06 01:53:26 <KotCzarny> pita
Mar 06 01:53:27 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 01:53:53 <johnx_> it's the same amount of screen tapping as turning on bluetooth...
Mar 06 01:54:08 <KotCzarny> yup
Mar 06 01:54:24 <johnx_> and $15 was hard to argue with
Mar 06 01:54:32 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 01:54:39 <KotCzarny> i could use a trackpoint
Mar 06 01:54:41 <KotCzarny> though
Mar 06 01:54:48 <KotCzarny> but well
Mar 06 01:54:55 <KotCzarny> maemo doesn't show a cursor
Mar 06 01:54:57 <KotCzarny> O.o
Mar 06 01:54:57 <johnx_> and I could use a little spout that gave me free beer...
Mar 06 01:55:07 <johnx_> KotCzarny, it does...it's just invisible
Mar 06 01:55:11 <KotCzarny> ah yes
Mar 06 01:55:18 <KotCzarny> i remember xprop showed it
Mar 06 01:56:06 <KotCzarny> btw. sentence 'doesn't show == does, but invisible' is funny
Mar 06 01:56:07 <KotCzarny> :>
Mar 06 01:56:31 <johnx_> it's a fine distinction :)
Mar 06 01:56:49 <KotCzarny> yeah
Mar 06 01:56:54 <KotCzarny> 'under-the-hood' like
Mar 06 01:56:56 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 01:57:50 <johnx_> guess I should flash back to ITOS
Mar 06 01:58:02 <johnx_> Poky proves to be more a tech demo than a usable OS
Mar 06 01:58:37 <Redline`> well, the only thing about using a mouse or trackpoint on the tablet is that some apps will render the mouse invisible (even if you do the red dot thing). I was using synergy, and some apps when put in full screen will F with the cursor. it sucks.
Mar 06 01:58:46 <Redline`> you still land up having to use the stylus.
Mar 06 01:59:08 <johnx_> that sucks :/
Mar 06 01:59:16 <KotCzarny> i guess everything is hackable
Mar 06 01:59:16 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 01:59:18 <febb> damn it... definitely there are issues with the jffs2 mounting on linux, using the mtd stuff...!
Mar 06 01:59:33 <johnx_> febb, I've done it before, but it was a much smaller image
Mar 06 01:59:35 <Redline`> ultimately, I would be using the samsung kb with the car pc I plan on implementing with maemo using my old powerbook.
Mar 06 01:59:36 <KotCzarny> febb: google for unpacker/extractor ?
Mar 06 01:59:40 <johnx_> check your dmesg
Mar 06 01:59:43 <Redline`> that is if it will compile for powerpc.
Mar 06 01:59:57 <febb> johnx_   I tried it using the First 770 image... to no avail.
Mar 06 02:00:18 <johnx_> I can test here with a very small image...
Mar 06 02:00:38 <febb> KotCzarny,  the unpacker (flash 3) part works fine.  the problem lies later on when trying to mount the rootfs.jffs2 image into a mtd "device" to in turn mount it to the linus fs
Mar 06 02:00:43 <febb> so it ca be accessed.
Mar 06 02:00:57 <KotCzarny> dmesg|tail ?
Mar 06 02:01:08 <GeneralAntilles> Good luck with that, Redline`.
Mar 06 02:01:12 <Redline`> I'll figure out if it'll compile for powerpc this weekend.
Mar 06 02:01:14 <Redline`> yeah :\
Mar 06 02:01:17 <febb> yeah: can't read superblock.   that is the bottom line.
Mar 06 02:01:29 <febb> a smaller image  dd's fine to the block mtd device.
Mar 06 02:01:29 <johnx_> Redline`, lots of it is already in Debian
Mar 06 02:01:37 <Redline`> I mean, maemo would be a better platform to use on a carpc than anything I've seen so far.
Mar 06 02:01:37 <johnx_> and lots of it is closed source :/
Mar 06 02:01:47 <Redline`> hrm. yeah.
Mar 06 02:01:47 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 02:02:17 <febb> maybe I should ask again if anyone has still on their 770 the original demo video ? ("Discovery Channel")
Mar 06 02:02:38 <KotCzarny> febb, flash you 770 with original image?
Mar 06 02:02:43 <KotCzarny> *your
Mar 06 02:02:52 <febb> Kot:  I no longer have a 770 !  that is my problem.
Mar 06 02:02:54 <Redline`> I also saw that gutsy has packages for maemo on powerpc.
Mar 06 02:02:56 <KotCzarny> oh
Mar 06 02:03:28 <KotCzarny> febb: do you use -t jffs2 ?
Mar 06 02:03:28 <Redline`> so I might try that. prolly be faster to get up and running than debian.
Mar 06 02:03:30 <febb> we did some software for video processing but "that" specific video Discovery.avi   was used for calibrating and other stuff.  I accidentaly erased it and now I need to get it back....
Mar 06 02:03:38 <febb> Kot, sure I did....
Mar 06 02:03:45 <KotCzarny> it sometimes got me
Mar 06 02:04:28 <febb> so..I am trying to unpack a 770 firmware image into my linux disk, read it and get the file....but it is getting a bit troublesome...
Mar 06 02:04:53 <KotCzarny> febb: try creating jffs2 image and comparing them?
Mar 06 02:05:29 <febb> Kot:  creating an jffs2 image ...from?
Mar 06 02:05:29 <KotCzarny> another way would be trying to raw-extract it from image
Mar 06 02:05:38 <KotCzarny> febb: mkfs.jffs2
Mar 06 02:05:51 <KotCzarny> on a empty/dummy file
Mar 06 02:06:25 <KotCzarny> yeah, raw-extracting could work
Mar 06 02:06:43 <KotCzarny> grep for an avi header and simply cut it
Mar 06 02:06:44 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 02:07:00 <KotCzarny> unless jffs2 uses silly checksums all over
Mar 06 02:07:01 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 02:07:23 <febb> I beleive it does....i google around and got tons of docs about jffs2 structure...
Mar 06 02:07:25 <johnx_> jffs2 is compressed
Mar 06 02:07:35 <febb> yeah.
Mar 06 02:07:36 <KotCzarny> he said he uncompressed it
Mar 06 02:07:47 <febb> the firmware !
Mar 06 02:07:49 <febb> image
Mar 06 02:07:51 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 02:07:54 <johnx_> no, he extraced the jffs2 image from the firmware bundle
Mar 06 02:07:59 <KotCzarny> ok
Mar 06 02:08:00 <febb> exactly.
Mar 06 02:08:04 <KotCzarny> how big is that jffs2 image?
Mar 06 02:08:09 <johnx_> 58M
Mar 06 02:08:13 <KotCzarny> hum
Mar 06 02:08:19 <KotCzarny> quite a download then
Mar 06 02:08:22 <johnx_> febb, it would be nice to see dmesg | tail right after you try to mount it
Mar 06 02:08:30 <febb> 59768832 bytes
Mar 06 02:08:41 <febb> its one of the firsts 770 firmware images.
Mar 06 02:09:00 <KotCzarny> maybe it's available as .deb package?
Mar 06 02:09:10 <johnx_> KotCzarny, nope
Mar 06 02:09:37 <febb> kernel: jffs2_scan_eraseblock(): Magic bitmask 0x1985 not found at 0x0001e034: 0x2be0 instead
Mar 06 02:09:52 <febb> and then "can't read superblock"
Mar 06 02:10:07 <johnx_> febb, you might need to change the eraseblock size since you increased the total size
Mar 06 02:10:16 <johnx_> 'can't read superblock' is a generic error I think
Mar 06 02:11:10 <febb> with the smaller rootfs.jffs2 image,  I "got rid" of the dd's  error (about the not enough space)....
Mar 06 02:11:15 <febb> but still the super block thing....
Mar 06 02:11:53 <johnx_> if you're still getting errors about not enough space it's not creating an mtd0 device that's big enough
Mar 06 02:12:07 <johnx_> that's all there is to it...it's not a jffs2 issue at all
Mar 06 02:12:29 <febb> no more space errors with htis smaller firmware image.
Mar 06 02:13:59 <yabbas> hurrah
Mar 06 02:14:02 <yabbas> all done
Mar 06 02:14:53 <yabbas> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=151415#post151415  :)
Mar 06 02:15:20 <yabbas> and http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17575
Mar 06 02:15:27 <KotCzarny> hehe
Mar 06 02:16:31 <KotCzarny> how much wiimote costs?
Mar 06 02:16:44 <Navi> 40
Mar 06 02:16:48 <Navi> USD
Mar 06 02:17:04 <yabbas> aye something like that
Mar 06 02:18:47 * yabbas loves his N810
Mar 06 02:18:51 <KotCzarny> Insmodding the kernel drivers results in maemo software keyboard not working. You will need to rmmod the modules after using the joypad if you use the onscreen keyboard.
Mar 06 02:18:53 <KotCzarny> o.o
Mar 06 02:19:13 <yabbas> KotCzarny, got N800?  :)
Mar 06 02:19:19 <KotCzarny> yup
Mar 06 02:19:20 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 02:19:24 <KotCzarny> and i'm loving it
Mar 06 02:19:31 <GeneralAntilles> Goddamn I hate shitty filesharing sites.
Mar 06 02:19:37 <Navi> Lol
Mar 06 02:19:45 <yabbas> well ... run wminput/wmgui through ssh then ;)
Mar 06 02:19:55 <KotCzarny> yabbas: i will think about it
Mar 06 02:19:56 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 02:20:00 <yabbas> GeneralAntilles, nobody mentioned sweet FA when I asked abotu file hosting :(
Mar 06 02:20:05 <KotCzarny> i don't own any gamepad yet
Mar 06 02:20:06 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 02:20:10 <GeneralAntilles> What the hell is the password?
Mar 06 02:20:14 <yabbas> :o
Mar 06 02:20:17 <yabbas> fuckaduck!
Mar 06 02:20:40 <KotCzarny> hehehe
Mar 06 02:20:41 <yabbas> I thought that was a password for me to access said file, not one to download it!
Mar 06 02:20:45 <yabbas> gah
Mar 06 02:20:53 * yabbas edits posts
Mar 06 02:21:09 <KotCzarny> lol
Mar 06 02:21:16 <KotCzarny> viagra spam on top
Mar 06 02:21:18 <yabbas> shitty filesharing sites--------
Mar 06 02:21:21 <GeneralAntilles> Re Qt4, the demo app that's bundled with it is really responsive.
Mar 06 02:22:29 <KotCzarny> hmm, i should really get me some breakfast
Mar 06 02:23:17 <johnx_> breakfast? it's almost lunch time...
Mar 06 02:23:57 <yabbas> GeneralAntilles, not tried the demo app.  LyX is somewhat larger than a demo so *shrugs*
Mar 06 02:25:03 <GeneralAntilles> yabbas, how big is the tarball?
Mar 06 02:25:41 <yabbas> which one?
Mar 06 02:25:54 <GeneralAntilles> The one I actually care about. :P
Mar 06 02:25:58 <GeneralAntilles> (Wii)
Mar 06 02:26:04 <yabbas> 250K
Mar 06 02:26:11 <GeneralAntilles> You want a mirror?
Mar 06 02:26:17 <yabbas> go ahead :)
Mar 06 02:26:38 <GeneralAntilles> Can I download it yet? :P
Mar 06 02:26:54 <KotCzarny> dcc it
Mar 06 02:26:55 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 02:27:00 <yabbas> It was never my intention to host it on a shitty server ;_;
Mar 06 02:27:36 <yabbas> password is up there now anyway
Mar 06 02:27:55 <yabbas> KotCzarny, tried that now ;) nothing's happening
Mar 06 02:28:07 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 02:28:32 <GeneralAntilles> http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/cwiid-0.6.00.tar.gz
Mar 06 02:28:48 <GeneralAntilles> Feel free to replace the link on the forum.
Mar 06 02:30:52 <yabbas> cheeyaz ga
Mar 06 02:31:36 <GeneralAntilles> Crap
Mar 06 02:31:42 <GeneralAntilles> My Wiimotes are 250 miles south. :<
Mar 06 02:32:04 <johnx_> hmm...poky runs the old xomap but the new kernel...
Mar 06 02:32:18 <johnx_> so no chance of rotation :/
Mar 06 02:33:16 <yabbas> I thought the poky bloke had randr working?
Mar 06 02:33:27 <KotCzarny> http://tiny.pl/l3n9
Mar 06 02:33:41 <KotCzarny> i wonder if it will work with linux/maemo
Mar 06 02:34:06 <yabbas> it does, I have one already :)
Mar 06 02:34:14 <yabbas> wonderful kb
Mar 06 02:34:18 <KotCzarny> hmm
Mar 06 02:34:23 <KotCzarny> good to know
Mar 06 02:34:23 <johnx_> yabbas, I dunno, the rotation example was with the newer xomap...but maybe they patched the old one too?
Mar 06 02:34:42 <johnx_> "RANDR" missing on display ":0.0"
Mar 06 02:35:10 <johnx_> I guess they do have a patched cx3110x though
Mar 06 02:35:11 <johnx_> nice
Mar 06 02:35:18 <yabbas> johnx_, I may be mistaken, I saw it on a blog somewhere.  May not have been poky
Mar 06 02:35:35 <johnx_> yeah, then you saw the same thing as me...it wasn't poky I think
Mar 06 02:35:43 <johnx_> they were showing E17, right?
Mar 06 02:36:11 <yabbas> don't remember :) may be on planetmaemo though
Mar 06 02:36:20 <johnx_> it was :)
Mar 06 02:38:30 <KotCzarny> hmm
Mar 06 02:38:39 <KotCzarny> if xomap is x.org based
Mar 06 02:38:51 <KotCzarny> can't it just load needed module?
Mar 06 02:39:01 <KotCzarny> or they compiled it in somehow?
Mar 06 02:39:22 <yabbas> http://maemo.org/midcom-permalink-e8ecb418dc0c11dc9e5367db05c357265726
Mar 06 02:39:30 <johnx_> KotCzarny, it's a standalone x server based on kdrive
Mar 06 02:39:37 <johnx_> it's not like the big module x.org server
Mar 06 02:39:45 <johnx_> it's more like xfbdev or xephyr
Mar 06 02:39:51 <KotCzarny> hum
Mar 06 02:40:14 <KotCzarny> anyone tried xfb then?
Mar 06 02:40:25 <johnx_> nope, why bother?
Mar 06 02:40:53 <johnx_> xomap is open sourced and very fast
Mar 06 02:40:56 <yabbas> patches are there :) someone compile kdrive now!
Mar 06 02:41:01 <KotCzarny> :))
Mar 06 02:41:18 <johnx_> yabbas, yeah, I know...I need to get around to that
Mar 06 02:41:28 <johnx_> maemo isn't rotatable anyways though
Mar 06 02:41:53 <KotCzarny> yeah
Mar 06 02:42:02 <KotCzarny> matchobox will have to start behaving first
Mar 06 02:42:03 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 02:42:27 <yabbas> just compile and run xrandr too :)
Mar 06 02:42:46 <KotCzarny> i guess it will fail :>
Mar 06 02:42:49 * yabbas wonders what would happen to hildon!
Mar 06 02:43:00 <KotCzarny> that was my question
Mar 06 02:43:01 <KotCzarny> :>
Mar 06 02:43:12 <yabbas> do it then ;) g'wan
Mar 06 02:43:16 <johnx_> KotCzarny, matchbox is fine
Mar 06 02:43:40 <johnx_> it supports rotation perfectly
Mar 06 02:43:51 <johnx_> hildon is all hard coded to 800x480
Mar 06 02:44:11 <johnx_> even 640x480 is a pain to make it even show things in the right places
Mar 06 02:44:23 <KotCzarny> virtual desktop?
Mar 06 02:44:40 <KotCzarny> 800x800 :>
Mar 06 02:44:46 <yabbas> kde should like this :)
Mar 06 02:44:53 <johnx_> so would gpe/angstrom
Mar 06 02:45:04 <johnx_> or that 'sato' thing from open hand
Mar 06 02:45:09 <johnx_> or qtopia
Mar 06 02:45:13 <yabbas> aye
Mar 06 02:45:19 <johnx_> or ... just about anything else besides maemo :)
Mar 06 02:45:19 <KotCzarny> hmm
Mar 06 02:45:33 <johnx_> KotCzarny, that still won't help that much
Mar 06 02:45:36 <KotCzarny> should i apply kernel patch too?
Mar 06 02:45:42 <johnx_> you need it I'm sure
Mar 06 02:46:34 <KotCzarny> good thing i have kernel ready too :)
Mar 06 02:46:49 <KotCzarny> but compiling xomap..
Mar 06 02:46:53 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 02:49:40 <KotCzarny> 1 out of 4 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file drivers/video/omap/omapfb_main.c.rej
Mar 06 02:49:41 <KotCzarny> o.O
Mar 06 02:50:11 <johnx_> that's no good
Mar 06 02:50:26 <KotCzarny> i guess fixable
Mar 06 02:51:22 <KotCzarny> yup
Mar 06 02:55:09 <KotCzarny> kernel ready.
Mar 06 02:55:12 <KotCzarny> now the hard part
Mar 06 02:55:12 <KotCzarny> :>
Mar 06 02:58:16 <texel> Ploing. Back from work.
Mar 06 03:01:46 <texel> KotCzarny: I'm back, if you're around. =o)
Mar 06 03:01:56 <KotCzarny> texel: great
Mar 06 03:02:04 <KotCzarny> now, what model do you own, again?
Mar 06 03:02:05 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 03:02:12 <texel> I'm afraid I don't have the URL anymore. =op
Mar 06 03:02:16 <texel> N810 here.
Mar 06 03:02:20 <KotCzarny> good
Mar 06 03:02:26 <KotCzarny> join #kotc
Mar 06 03:02:27 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 03:02:38 <RayTracer`> do you guys care about asking questions about n8x0?
Mar 06 03:02:56 <texel> RayTracer`: Many people do in here. What did you have on your mind?
Mar 06 03:02:58 <RayTracer`> some channels prefer use #$CHANNEL-help, etc
Mar 06 03:03:11 <RayTracer`> any way to do internet radio station and/or podcast for alarm ?
Mar 06 03:03:46 <GeneralAntilles> This is it for maemo IRC, RayTracer`.
Mar 06 03:03:51 <johnx_> hmm...not with the built-in apps
Mar 06 03:04:16 <RayTracer`> I have canola2 beta 5 installed, I don't think that does alarms
Mar 06 03:04:38 <KotCzarny> i believe i have seen alarm + radio station in some player
Mar 06 03:04:55 <KotCzarny> but can't remember the name
Mar 06 03:05:58 <RayTracer`> I got so excited for grumby (the port of grumby)
Mar 06 03:06:14 <RayTracer`> but missed out on that chumby is a sweet alarm clock
Mar 06 03:06:27 <leif__> pretty funny how even since the first 2005 OS nokia has had both a clock and a radio but haven't seen fit to connect the two
Mar 06 03:09:00 <RayTracer`> I really like my n810.. one of my coworkers got one, then another, then me, then 2 more, then my colleagues in india got jealous and got some too
Mar 06 03:09:17 <RayTracer`> it's catchy
Mar 06 03:09:37 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 03:09:46 <KotCzarny> hehe
Mar 06 03:09:57 <KotCzarny> now you're in one cute quake deathmatch
Mar 06 03:09:59 <KotCzarny> :>>
Mar 06 03:10:06 <KotCzarny> over wifi
Mar 06 03:10:07 <KotCzarny> (:
Mar 06 03:10:07 <texel> leif__: so hang on, you mean the 770 has had an FM radio as well?
Mar 06 03:10:09 <RayTracer`> we haven't played games against each other yet
Mar 06 03:10:22 <texel> Wow. THat's pretty cool.
Mar 06 03:10:28 <KotCzarny> texel: thx for helping :)
Mar 06 03:10:31 <johnx_> I think he means that it had an internet radio
Mar 06 03:10:31 <RayTracer`> we all get on xchat for irc though
Mar 06 03:10:33 <texel> So far, I've only "infected" one other at work. =o)
Mar 06 03:10:36 <texel> Ahh.
Mar 06 03:10:39 <texel> KotCzarny: Any time. =o)
Mar 06 03:10:47 <texel> Testing is easy and fun. =o)
Mar 06 03:10:54 <leif__> texel, no an internet radio i mean
Mar 06 03:10:57 <texel> Ahh.
Mar 06 03:11:01 <KotCzarny> yeah, it's the debugging that's hard ;)
Mar 06 03:11:05 <texel> Hehe
Mar 06 03:11:30 <KotCzarny> hmm
Mar 06 03:11:45 <KotCzarny> i guess i can even whip 'how long to charge' algo too
Mar 06 03:11:47 * texel waits patiently for debian armel to finish installing to qemu-system-arm
Mar 06 03:12:19 <RayTracer`> I don't care too much about charge times.. I just hate that the nokia chargers are apparently coated in a special flavoring that cats find delectible
Mar 06 03:12:20 <texel> Mm. I would probably throw in something that checks the euid first, though, to eliminate further "run as root" bugs. =op
Mar 06 03:12:22 <johnx_> yeah, it takes a while
Mar 06 03:12:26 <RayTracer`> the've eaten 2 so far!
Mar 06 03:12:28 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 03:12:37 <johnx_> O_o
Mar 06 03:12:40 <KotCzarny> texel: or adding a middle man
Mar 06 03:12:46 <GeneralAntilles> RayTracer`!
Mar 06 03:12:52 <GeneralAntilles> My cat tries that, too.
Mar 06 03:12:57 <texel> Heh -- yeah, that could work.
Mar 06 03:12:59 <KotCzarny> raytracer: my cat leaves my stuff alone
Mar 06 03:13:02 <GeneralAntilles> They're like little mouse tails.
Mar 06 03:13:02 * texel is catless and dogless =o(
Mar 06 03:13:04 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 03:13:10 <RayTracer`> kotczarny, they leave every other cable I own alone
Mar 06 03:13:15 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 03:13:20 <texel> Must be the rubber.
Mar 06 03:13:21 <RayTracer`> that's the one and only
Mar 06 03:13:25 <RayTracer`> it's so tasty
Mar 06 03:13:40 <KotCzarny> it can be some kind of message
Mar 06 03:13:44 <RayTracer`> oh wait no on vacation one time I brought them to my rents and they ate a cat5 cable
Mar 06 03:13:45 <KotCzarny> non-verbal one
Mar 06 03:13:45 <KotCzarny> ;)
Mar 06 03:13:58 <KotCzarny> like 'feed us'
Mar 06 03:13:59 <KotCzarny> ;)
Mar 06 03:14:13 <RayTracer`> they get verbal when there's no food
Mar 06 03:14:17 <RayTracer`> I don't need nonverbal cues
Mar 06 03:15:01 <KotCzarny> people sometimes quite resistant to external input while coding
Mar 06 03:15:03 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 03:15:07 <KotCzarny> *are
Mar 06 03:15:20 <RayTracer`> s/coding/sleeping
Mar 06 03:15:42 <KotCzarny> hmm, now, where that flash have been
Mar 06 03:16:58 <KotCzarny> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmwqpHsMExg
Mar 06 03:16:58 <KotCzarny> here
Mar 06 03:16:59 <KotCzarny> ;)
Mar 06 03:17:06 <KotCzarny> turn on sound :)
Mar 06 03:18:51 <texel> KotCzarny: too CUUTE. =o)
Mar 06 03:18:56 <KotCzarny> (;
Mar 06 03:20:38 <RayTracer`> this is me every day
Mar 06 03:20:43 <RayTracer`> except 2 cats
Mar 06 03:20:52 <KotCzarny> you wake up with a black eye? ;)
Mar 06 03:21:04 <RayTracer`> oops nope
Mar 06 03:21:14 <KotCzarny> yeah
Mar 06 03:21:22 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 03:22:35 <RayTracer`> so do you guys get any inside info?  I just religiously check internettablettalk.com for news
Mar 06 03:22:52 * KotCzarny just hacks 
Mar 06 03:22:54 <johnx_> check planet.maemo.org too
Mar 06 03:23:02 <Tama^2> only when I stick an endoscope in me
Mar 06 03:23:08 <Tama^2> but it's not pleasant
Mar 06 03:23:10 <texel> We just seem to be unofficial as ITT.
Mar 06 03:23:10 <leif__> anyone know if the tablet's touchscreen is capable of multitouch? using two or three fingers in the sketch app, the actual cursor position appears to be the average between the fingers (weighted by pressure)
Mar 06 03:23:12 <Tama^2> U,u
Mar 06 03:23:21 <texel> Tama^2: Haha
Mar 06 03:23:33 <GeneralAntilles> Truly, ITT is usually a few hours ahead of the game.
Mar 06 03:23:37 <KotCzarny> multitouch would be cool
Mar 06 03:23:44 <KotCzarny> (for multi button games)
Mar 06 03:23:46 <GeneralAntilles> leif__, no, it's not.
Mar 06 03:23:52 <GeneralAntilles> (as you can see from that test. :P)
Mar 06 03:24:15 <leif__> GeneralAntilles, well obviously the X server isn't capable of having multiple cursors...
Mar 06 03:24:26 <johnx_> definitely not multitouch
Mar 06 03:24:28 <texel> leif__: Not AFAICT, the screen suffers from the same touch shadowing as other touchscreens.
Mar 06 03:24:45 <johnx_> and it's resistive not cpacitive
Mar 06 03:24:50 <johnx_> both have their own issues though
Mar 06 03:24:50 * texel nods
Mar 06 03:25:10 * KotCzarny sometimes notices that x position gets read as 0
Mar 06 03:25:13 <leif__> but that test seems to indicate that maybe at a lower level, there actually might be multiple touches being detected
Mar 06 03:25:22 <KotCzarny> while running control panels
Mar 06 03:25:43 <leif__> does resistive == not multitouch?
Mar 06 03:25:44 <texel> leif__: it's most likely the touchscreen controller itself registering the average.
Mar 06 03:26:28 * texel saw exactly the same behavior on her HP 720 and the SL-5000D, and neither of those had multitouch behavior, nor were they running X.
Mar 06 03:26:51 <KotCzarny> weird, sb2 didn't had m4 & bison installed
Mar 06 03:27:04 <texel> KotCzarny: How about yacc?
Mar 06 03:27:18 <texel> You can see the same behavior with a touchpad on a laptop.
Mar 06 03:27:21 <KotCzarny> E: Couldn't find package yacc
Mar 06 03:27:26 <texel> Weird.
Mar 06 03:27:27 <KotCzarny> E: Couldn't find package byacc
Mar 06 03:27:39 <texel> Especially considering m4 and bison are pretty much *nix standard these days.
Mar 06 03:27:41 <KotCzarny> yacc is provided by bison i guess
Mar 06 03:27:45 * texel nods
Mar 06 03:27:49 <texel> Probably.
Mar 06 03:27:58 <KotCzarny> [sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: ~/x/xserv/xorg-server-1.3.99.0~git20070321] > yacc
Mar 06 03:27:59 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 03:28:07 <KotCzarny>  /scratchbox/tools/bin/bison: missing operand after `-y'
Mar 06 03:28:13 <KotCzarny> so it's there
Mar 06 03:29:24 <KotCzarny> dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: flex
Mar 06 03:29:27 <KotCzarny> grrr.
Mar 06 03:29:40 <KotCzarny> but i have it installed
Mar 06 03:30:00 <KotCzarny> what was the command to check what package provides a file?
Mar 06 03:30:08 <johnx_> dpkg -S
Mar 06 03:30:09 <texel> dpkg -S
Mar 06 03:30:14 <texel> jinx!
Mar 06 03:30:18 <texel> You owe me a soda! =o)
Mar 06 03:30:29 <KotCzarny> [sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: ~/x/xserv/xorg-server-1.3.99.0~git20070321] > dpkg -S *flex
Mar 06 03:30:29 <KotCzarny> dpkg: *flex not found.
Mar 06 03:30:36 * johnx_ is all out of internet soda? care for a virtual cookie?
Mar 06 03:30:41 <RayTracer`> I'm a fedora person.. this dpkg command scares me
Mar 06 03:30:41 <texel> Hehe
Mar 06 03:30:42 <KotCzarny>  > flex -V
Mar 06 03:30:42 <KotCzarny> flex-2.5.31 2.5.31
Mar 06 03:30:49 <texel> Beh. dpkg == rpm
Mar 06 03:30:52 <KotCzarny> but it's there :/
Mar 06 03:31:02 <RayTracer`> rpm -ql packagename == what in dpkg?
Mar 06 03:31:08 <KotCzarny> -l
Mar 06 03:31:13 <texel> dpkg --list <packagename>
Mar 06 03:31:17 <RayTracer`> ooh
Mar 06 03:31:20 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 03:31:31 <KotCzarny> not as ql but works
Mar 06 03:31:32 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 03:31:39 <RayTracer`> there's a good amt in yum that apt-get doesn't have now
Mar 06 03:32:00 <texel> apt-get can be extended to use repos, just as yum can.
Mar 06 03:32:09 <texel> /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d
Mar 06 03:32:15 <RayTracer`> right I know that
Mar 06 03:32:30 <texel> Debian doesn't include much by default because they're concerned with licensing issues.
Mar 06 03:32:33 <yabbas> KotCzarny, still installing randr xomap?
Mar 06 03:32:38 <KotCzarny> yes
Mar 06 03:32:42 <RayTracer`> rh is super anti closed source or copyright
Mar 06 03:32:46 <KotCzarny> build deps are getting me
Mar 06 03:32:47 <RayTracer`> like the mp3s and dvds
Mar 06 03:32:51 <texel> YES! Muhahahah!
Mar 06 03:32:58 <texel> qemu-system-arm is ready for hacking. =o)
Mar 06 03:33:20 <RayTracer`> you guys hear anything about getting zimbra working on maemo?
Mar 06 03:33:22 <KotCzarny> let's force
Mar 06 03:33:25 <KotCzarny> *grin*
Mar 06 03:33:31 <RayTracer`> other than the wimpy mobile web client
Mar 06 03:36:34 <johnx_> no wonder new users were having so many problems with python O_o whatever they did recently made it a PITA to install
Mar 06 03:37:42 <GeneralAntilles> johnx_, I guess it kinda makes sense to take it out of User
Mar 06 03:37:45 <GeneralAntilles> But still. . . .
Mar 06 03:37:55 <GeneralAntilles> I think installing Canola will get it straight.
Mar 06 03:38:11 <johnx_> it breaks the 'click to install' for it, and it breaks .debs not in a repo that depend on it
Mar 06 03:38:57 <GeneralAntilles> Somebody with a fresh install of OS2008 want to confirm that installing Canola will get Python installed so I can use that as my easy troubleshooting answer?
Mar 06 03:39:22 <johnx_> too late. I pulled in usbcontrol from extras
Mar 06 03:39:23 * KotCzarny already had canola and python
Mar 06 03:39:30 <yabbas> KotCzarny, still installing randr xomap?
Mar 06 03:39:38 <KotCzarny> yabbas: compiling xserver
Mar 06 03:39:46 <KotCzarny> it's only a p3@566 ;)
Mar 06 03:39:46 <yabbas> gah..silly kb
Mar 06 03:39:57 <GeneralAntilles> Navi!
Mar 06 03:40:14 <yabbas> me go sleep, nini peeps
Mar 06 03:40:23 <Navi> GeneralAntilles, ?
Mar 06 03:40:24 <KotCzarny> i wonder if compilling on nokia will be of equall speed
Mar 06 03:40:24 <GeneralAntilles> Later
Mar 06 03:40:30 <GeneralAntilles> How'd you get Python installed?
Mar 06 03:40:46 <Navi> I don't remember installing it
Mar 06 03:40:53 <Navi> I probably didn't do it myself
Mar 06 03:40:54 <GeneralAntilles> Did you install something that uses Python?
Mar 06 03:40:59 <Navi> Just Canola
Mar 06 03:41:07 <GeneralAntilles> Restore a backup?
Mar 06 03:41:15 <Navi> Nah
Mar 06 03:41:21 <johnx_> GeneralAntilles, tell them to install usbcontrol from extras
Mar 06 03:41:22 <GeneralAntilles> Then Canola it probably is.
Mar 06 03:41:32 <GeneralAntilles> They might actually use Canola, though. :P
Mar 06 03:41:41 <KotCzarny> yeah
Mar 06 03:41:43 <johnx_> usbcontrol is like 20KB
Mar 06 03:41:45 <KotCzarny> or fake a package
Mar 06 03:42:03 <johnx_> KotCzarny, that fake pkg would need to live in a repository though
Mar 06 03:42:10 <johnx_> installing a .deb that depends on python fails
Mar 06 03:42:33 <KotCzarny> hmm
Mar 06 03:42:41 <KotCzarny> put it in repo then?
Mar 06 03:42:42 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 03:42:48 <johnx_> :P
Mar 06 04:04:31 <KotCzarny> real    31m5.903s
Mar 06 04:04:37 <KotCzarny> nice
Mar 06 04:04:44 <KotCzarny> but compiled ok
Mar 06 04:04:45 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 04:04:46 <johnx_> to build xomap?
Mar 06 04:04:55 <KotCzarny> on a p3@566
Mar 06 04:05:09 <johnx_> that's quite fast compared to those old xfree86 builds I used to do on an athlon 550
Mar 06 04:05:15 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 04:05:21 <KotCzarny> but it's only xserver
Mar 06 04:05:31 <KotCzarny> i guess utils will take much more
Mar 06 04:05:50 <johnx_> yeah, but you don't need to build many utils, just xrandr
Mar 06 04:05:51 <KotCzarny> that's why they wanted to brek it into modularized
Mar 06 04:06:02 <johnx_> oh, I know...and I'm very glad
Mar 06 04:06:07 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 04:06:08 <KotCzarny> me too
Mar 06 04:06:25 <KotCzarny> also not having to get whole x source at a time
Mar 06 04:06:27 <KotCzarny> ;)
Mar 06 04:06:29 <johnx_> I remember leaving my xfree86 builds going all day
Mar 06 04:06:34 <KotCzarny> yeah..
Mar 06 04:06:47 <KotCzarny> ang getting error after 20+h
Mar 06 04:06:48 <KotCzarny> ;)
Mar 06 04:06:49 <johnx_> getting home, checking in on it, going to bed, waking up to see it failed :/
Mar 06 04:06:55 <KotCzarny> ;))
Mar 06 04:07:17 <KotCzarny> hmm
Mar 06 04:07:25 <KotCzarny> i would like to test that rotating
Mar 06 04:07:33 <KotCzarny> but i'm in a middle of discharge test :/
Mar 06 04:07:53 <KotCzarny> are there any brave souls?
Mar 06 04:07:54 <KotCzarny> :>
Mar 06 04:09:06 <texel> Mm. Sadly, I'm in the middle of just finishing my qemu system for building packages with.
Mar 06 04:09:11 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 04:09:13 <texel> So friggin' close!
Mar 06 04:09:27 <johnx_> and I need to head out in a couple minutes
Mar 06 04:09:31 <KotCzarny> it can wait
Mar 06 04:09:33 <johnx_> I'll definitely try those later though
Mar 06 04:09:41 <KotCzarny> my test will end in a few days
Mar 06 04:10:00 * johnx_ leaves, will be back later
Mar 06 04:10:04 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 04:10:11 * KotCzarny resumes breakfast
Mar 06 04:15:31 <texel> Hrm... Did http://scratchbox.org/debian/device go away? O.o
Mar 06 04:16:02 <texel> The SB docs say use that for apt on the destination device for sbrsh, but I'm getting 404s.
Mar 06 04:16:02 <KotCzarny> what was there?
Mar 06 04:16:09 <texel> sbrshd
Mar 06 04:16:33 <KotCzarny> maybe it was moved
Mar 06 04:16:39 <KotCzarny> http://scratchbox.org/debian/dists/
Mar 06 04:16:43 <KotCzarny> is still there
Mar 06 04:17:24 <texel> Right.
Mar 06 04:17:31 <texel> But device isn't, which is explicitly named.
Mar 06 04:17:33 <texel> Greh.
Mar 06 04:17:35 <texel> Annoying.
Mar 06 04:17:36 <KotCzarny> hum
Mar 06 04:18:06 <KotCzarny> maybe it got obsolete..
Mar 06 04:19:17 <KotCzarny> Slackware for ARM
Mar 06 04:19:18 <KotCzarny> mmmmmm
Mar 06 04:19:20 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 04:19:36 <KotCzarny> ARMedslack
Mar 06 04:19:43 <KotCzarny> good name is a start :)
Mar 06 04:20:17 <texel> Greh.
Mar 06 04:20:22 <texel> I must be looking at the wrong docs.
Mar 06 04:20:26 <KotCzarny> http://scratchbox.org/repos/0.9.8/sbrsh/
Mar 06 04:20:52 <texel> Yeah, but I'm running 1.0.8 of scratchbox-core.
Mar 06 04:21:10 <KotCzarny> probably obsoleted then
Mar 06 04:21:15 <KotCzarny> or not
Mar 06 04:21:25 <KotCzarny> http://scratchbox.org/repos/sbrsh/
Mar 06 04:21:26 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 04:21:33 * texel sighs
Mar 06 04:21:42 <texel> Bleh. But if that works... =o)
Mar 06 04:22:16 <texel> Triple bleh.
Mar 06 04:22:19 <texel> That's the client.
Mar 06 04:22:20 <texel> Not the daemon.
Mar 06 04:22:28 <KotCzarny> how's the client called?
Mar 06 04:22:31 <KotCzarny> erm. daemon
Mar 06 04:22:51 <texel> sbrshd
Mar 06 04:28:03 <texel> Bah. No help on #scratchbox, either.
Mar 06 04:28:43 <texel> Okay, looks like they got rid of the debs.
Mar 06 04:29:01 <texel> But the sbrshd program is in /scratchbox/device_tools/sbrsh-7.4/cs2005q3.2-glibc2.5-arm
Mar 06 04:29:07 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 04:29:13 <texel> Stupid. =o(
Mar 06 04:30:46 <shackan> what could I use to stream my music to the tablet?
Mar 06 04:31:09 <shackan> upnp breaks it in subfolders so I can't shuffle through all the songs
Mar 06 04:31:38 <KotCzarny> hehe
Mar 06 04:31:48 <KotCzarny> i have been answering that question today
Mar 06 04:31:49 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 04:32:04 <shackan> I wasn't paying attention then
Mar 06 04:32:22 <KotCzarny> you simply want to have access to you files, yes?
Mar 06 04:32:29 <KotCzarny> *your
Mar 06 04:32:35 <shackan> I want to listen them on the tablet
Mar 06 04:32:42 <shackan> *listen to
Mar 06 04:32:51 <KotCzarny> but control will be from tablet, yes?
Mar 06 04:32:57 <shackan> of course
Mar 06 04:33:16 <KotCzarny> then you need to mount network share on tablet
Mar 06 04:33:35 <KotCzarny> what os your desktop have?
Mar 06 04:33:41 <shackan> Gutsy
Mar 06 04:33:46 <KotCzarny> great
Mar 06 04:33:54 <KotCzarny> so you're ready for sshfs
Mar 06 04:33:55 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 04:34:09 <shackan> mmm, isn't there nfs out of the box?
Mar 06 04:34:15 <Pauline92> Hi
Mar 06 04:34:18 <KotCzarny> nfs could work too
Mar 06 04:34:24 <KotCzarny> if your network is safe
Mar 06 04:34:37 <shackan> I.. guess
Mar 06 04:34:38 <Pauline92> Anyone here have an external charger for their Nokia N770?
Mar 06 04:34:48 <shackan> nobody is going to steal my music anyway..
Mar 06 04:34:57 <KotCzarny> but wireless is crackable
Mar 06 04:35:02 <shackan> and my wireless is open actually
Mar 06 04:35:28 <shackan> but ther's nobody around for miles, so ...
Mar 06 04:35:32 <KotCzarny> well, then remember to export nfs as read-only
Mar 06 04:35:37 <KotCzarny> just to be sure
Mar 06 04:35:54 <KotCzarny> ok
Mar 06 04:36:03 <KotCzarny> have you set up nfs server yet?
Mar 06 04:36:12 <shackan> actually, I'm going to bed and needed a two-minute solution, sounds like I'll have to do that tomorrow :(
Mar 06 04:36:21 <shackan> no, but I do have sshd already
Mar 06 04:36:45 <KotCzarny> it will take some time to explain it to you
Mar 06 04:36:47 <shackan> but I don't want to crosscompile fuse and sshfs tonight
Mar 06 04:36:57 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 04:37:08 <shackan> I know how to mount sshfs thankyouverymuch :)
Mar 06 04:37:11 <KotCzarny> i can give you compiled fuse&sshfs
Mar 06 04:37:24 <shackan> mmm
Mar 06 04:37:25 <KotCzarny> but it's in a .tar.gz
Mar 06 04:37:28 <shackan> great
Mar 06 04:37:29 <shackan> oh
Mar 06 04:37:34 <KotCzarny> so you will have to put it in the right places
Mar 06 04:37:44 <shackan> well, I can't do that now
Mar 06 04:37:49 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 04:37:51 <shackan> (it's 6 am)
Mar 06 04:38:07 <KotCzarny> nope, it's before midnight
Mar 06 04:38:08 <KotCzarny> ;)
Mar 06 04:38:12 <shackan> prolly tomorrow :D
Mar 06 04:38:32 <KotCzarny> for a quickie you can try ftping files
Mar 06 04:38:35 <KotCzarny> or scp :)
Mar 06 04:38:36 <shackan> so, thanks anyway, good night
Mar 06 04:39:01 <shackan> scp'ing from the onscreen keyboard is not exactly quick in my dictionary :(
Mar 06 04:39:07 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 04:39:34 <texel> There we go.
Mar 06 04:39:37 <texel> Muhahaha.
Mar 06 04:39:50 * KotCzarny gives texel a lollipop
Mar 06 04:39:52 <texel> I win -- gcc is executing via sbrsh now. =o)
Mar 06 04:39:53 <KotCzarny> chill
Mar 06 04:39:54 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 04:40:05 <texel> Hehe
Mar 06 04:40:20 <shackan> why aren't you using sb2 ?
Mar 06 04:40:28 <texel> Oh god.
Mar 06 04:40:30 <texel> Hahaha
Mar 06 04:40:38 * KotCzarny is using sb2
Mar 06 04:40:46 <KotCzarny> works well, i have to say
Mar 06 04:40:47 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 04:41:00 <texel> Well, that would probably be because the Maemo development docs tell you to use 1.0.8.
Mar 06 04:41:01 <shackan> god is not the answer
Mar 06 04:41:17 <KotCzarny> texel: what about distccd?
Mar 06 04:41:18 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 04:41:49 <texel> You guys hurt. =op
Mar 06 04:41:57 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 04:42:06 <shackan> welcome to the internet
Mar 06 04:42:15 <shackan> gotta be tough
Mar 06 04:42:43 <texel> Yeah, I know. It's just weird when you go through all that trouble to get something working, only to have someone say, "well, why aren't you using xxx instead?" =op
Mar 06 04:43:01 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 04:43:26 <KotCzarny> and the right answer is: 'because i can'
Mar 06 04:43:27 <KotCzarny> ;)
Mar 06 04:43:42 <texel> Well, the right answer in this case is 'because I spent all day getting SB1.0.8 working' =op
Mar 06 04:43:54 <texel> s/right//
Mar 06 04:43:54 <KotCzarny> hmm
Mar 06 04:43:54 <infobot> texel meant: Well, the  answer in this case is 'because I spent all day getting SB1.0.8 working' =op
Mar 06 04:44:04 <KotCzarny> mine was mostly downloading time
Mar 06 04:44:06 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 04:44:17 <texel> Yeah, same here for the qemu base image.
Mar 06 04:44:27 <texel> sbrsh was probably a couple of hours at this point.
Mar 06 04:50:17 <KotCzarny> hmm, integrated bt keyboard + trackpoint + mic/speakers would be cool
Mar 06 04:50:19 <KotCzarny> :>
Mar 06 04:51:35 <KotCzarny> ah, and with gps included too
Mar 06 04:51:36 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 04:55:07 * texel sighs
Mar 06 04:55:09 <texel> "Unkown CPU transparency method: sbrsh CHINOOK_ARMEL
Mar 06 04:55:10 <texel> "
Mar 06 04:55:13 <KotCzarny> :>
Mar 06 04:55:26 <KotCzarny> need another lollipop?
Mar 06 04:55:34 <texel> Nah.
Mar 06 04:55:41 <texel> I need a hole in the head, likely. =op
Mar 06 04:55:50 <KotCzarny> it can be done
Mar 06 04:55:52 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 04:55:55 <texel> Heh
Mar 06 04:55:57 <texel> True enough.
Mar 06 05:03:58 <Thanatermesis> is not there any IRC client in the repositories ?
Mar 06 05:04:17 <KotCzarny> pidgin
Mar 06 05:04:30 <KotCzarny> and xchat can be easily found too
Mar 06 05:05:26 <texel> KotCzarny: which toolchain did you use with sb2?
Mar 06 05:05:29 <texel> CodeSourcery?
Mar 06 05:05:33 <KotCzarny> probably
Mar 06 05:05:36 <KotCzarny> how can i check?
Mar 06 05:05:39 <texel> No idea.
Mar 06 05:05:49 <KotCzarny> gcc version 3.4.4 (release) (CodeSourcery ARM 2005q3-2)
Mar 06 05:06:02 <texel> Ah. That's a good guess. =o)
Mar 06 05:06:06 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 05:07:12 <texel> Any idea what multilib is for?
Mar 06 05:07:26 <KotCzarny> i'm a devel n00b
Mar 06 05:07:33 <texel> Mm.
Mar 06 05:07:39 <KotCzarny> man?
Mar 06 05:07:43 <KotCzarny> :>
Mar 06 05:07:52 <texel> man would be useless on that, I'm afraid. O.o
Mar 06 05:07:54 * texel sighs
Mar 06 05:08:18 <KotCzarny> sometimes it has something amazing to show
Mar 06 05:08:19 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 05:09:52 * texel nods
Mar 06 05:11:46 <Tama^2> Thanatermesis: there is xchat, but it's not in the repos
Mar 06 05:12:05 <Tama^2> http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/
Mar 06 05:12:35 <Tama^2> this must be the single most posted URL in this channel
Mar 06 05:12:44 <KotCzarny> nope
Mar 06 05:12:49 <KotCzarny> i have seen it only thrice
Mar 06 05:12:59 <KotCzarny> counting this time
Mar 06 05:13:00 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 05:13:08 <Tama^2> I have been here longer
Mar 06 05:13:09 <Tama^2> :P
Mar 06 05:13:16 <KotCzarny> times are changing
Mar 06 05:13:16 <KotCzarny> :P
Mar 06 05:13:25 <Tama^2> some things never change
Mar 06 05:13:25 <Thanatermesis> thanks Tama^2 :)
Mar 06 05:13:33 <KotCzarny> tama: like what?
Mar 06 05:14:03 <Tama^2> the square root of 1?
Mar 06 05:14:15 <KotCzarny> depends on 1 definition
Mar 06 05:14:16 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 05:14:26 <Tama^2> given the definition it does not change
Mar 06 05:14:27 <Tama^2> :P
Mar 06 05:14:32 <KotCzarny> 'given'
Mar 06 05:14:33 <KotCzarny> ;)
Mar 06 05:14:42 <Tama^2> taken? xD
Mar 06 05:15:02 <KotCzarny> unfortunatelly for us we're not in control of rules
Mar 06 05:15:04 <KotCzarny> ..yet
Mar 06 05:15:04 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 05:17:43 <KotCzarny> hello moto
Mar 06 05:17:48 <KotCzarny> (sorry i had to :)
Mar 06 05:18:44 <Tama^2> oh dear
Mar 06 05:18:49 <Tama^2> xD
Mar 06 05:20:04 <texel> I don't get it. O.o
Mar 06 05:20:12 <KotCzarny> which one?
Mar 06 05:20:25 <texel> "hello moto"
Mar 06 05:20:33 <Tama^2> Yasumoto joined the chat room. <---
Mar 06 05:20:40 <KotCzarny> motorola is putting this jingle on their phones
Mar 06 05:20:45 <texel> Ahh.
Mar 06 05:20:47 <texel> Oh, and also, 2+2=5, for large values of 2.
Mar 06 05:20:52 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 05:21:25 <KotCzarny> 2+2=11
Mar 06 05:21:34 <KotCzarny> (in a base3 system ;)
Mar 06 05:21:52 <texel> Haha
Mar 06 05:21:59 <Tama^2> nerds, pffff
Mar 06 05:22:06 <texel> You just reminded me of a choice quote I absolutely loved from Portal. =o)
Mar 06 05:22:08 <KotCzarny> tama: where? :P
Mar 06 05:22:35 <KotCzarny> texel: what was it? :)
Mar 06 05:22:36 <texel> "Two plus two is- is- is-... 10 -- IN BASE 10, I'm FINE!" --GlaDOS
Mar 06 05:22:39 <GeneralAntilles> 2+2 equals f—f—f—10 . . . _in base four!
Mar 06 05:22:46 <texel> Yeah, base four. =op
Mar 06 05:22:48 <texel> Sorry. op
Mar 06 05:23:05 <KotCzarny> :>
Mar 06 05:23:34 <GeneralAntilles> <3 Portal
Mar 06 05:23:37 <cLin> is it possible ot launch browser in ssh andmake it go to a website
Mar 06 05:23:40 <texel> Me too. =o)
Mar 06 05:23:45 <KotCzarny> clin: yes
Mar 06 05:23:52 <KotCzarny> add url as a param
Mar 06 05:24:05 <cLin> so...-url website?
Mar 06 05:24:08 <KotCzarny> nope
Mar 06 05:24:10 <KotCzarny> just url
Mar 06 05:24:24 <cLin> whats the browser called again? to launch it
Mar 06 05:24:30 <KotCzarny> i use firefox
Mar 06 05:24:32 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 05:24:33 <texel> cLin: microb?
Mar 06 05:24:39 <cLin> on your n800?
Mar 06 05:24:51 <KotCzarny> you never specified os/machine :)
Mar 06 05:24:54 <GeneralAntilles> tablet-browser
Mar 06 05:24:57 <Yasumoto> KotCzarny: haha :)
Mar 06 05:25:00 <cLin> i meant on the n800 :P
Mar 06 05:25:03 <KotCzarny> but still, can work
Mar 06 05:25:04 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 05:25:14 <KotCzarny> maybe some dbus magic will work too
Mar 06 05:25:21 <cLin> tablet-browser not found
Mar 06 05:25:47 <KotCzarny> try browser
Mar 06 05:25:52 <KotCzarny> or www-browser
Mar 06 05:25:58 <KotCzarny> i also see: browser_dbuscmd.sh
Mar 06 05:26:02 <cLin> works
Mar 06 05:31:50 <KotCzarny> i see root people
Mar 06 05:32:05 <texel> Okay, I want a shirt with that on it. =o)
Mar 06 05:32:12 <texel> That is just too cool. =o)
Mar 06 05:32:19 <KotCzarny> o.O
Mar 06 05:32:29 <texel> Well, you have to understand.
Mar 06 05:32:41 <texel> Where I work, I"m on a huge global team of sysops.
Mar 06 05:32:44 <KotCzarny> it has quite a few interpretations
Mar 06 05:32:51 <texel> So that quite appropriate. =o)
Mar 06 05:33:02 <KotCzarny> one of them is 'living forest'
Mar 06 05:33:03 <KotCzarny> ;)
Mar 06 05:33:11 <KotCzarny> seen in horror movies
Mar 06 05:33:13 <texel> Oooh. Yeah, that's good too.
Mar 06 05:33:18 <KotCzarny> ;)
Mar 06 05:33:55 <KotCzarny> k, you can have it
Mar 06 05:34:03 <texel> Still, on a huge team of hundreds of systems administrators, all of whom have root, it's really cool. =o)
Mar 06 05:34:04 <KotCzarny> i have just gpl'ed that sentence
Mar 06 05:34:05 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 05:34:08 <texel> lol
Mar 06 05:37:26 * leif__ is not really root, sshd is
Mar 06 05:44:21 <czr> texel, I had dinner with a person who work in just such an environment last week
Mar 06 05:44:30 <czr> he didn't think it was "really cool" :-)
Mar 06 05:44:31 <KotCzarny> 'works'
Mar 06 05:44:32 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 05:44:51 <czr> especially since they had 100+ java programmers all of whom had root pwds to all of the production boxen
Mar 06 05:44:55 <czr> that's just.. wrong.
Mar 06 05:45:00 <KotCzarny> :>
Mar 06 05:45:17 <KotCzarny> probably they have suprrroots too
Mar 06 05:45:26 <czr> or carrots
Mar 06 05:45:41 <KotCzarny> carrots are roots too
Mar 06 05:45:42 <KotCzarny> ;)
Mar 06 05:46:01 <czr> indeed
Mar 06 05:46:23 <KotCzarny> umkay
Mar 06 05:47:08 <KotCzarny> kcbatt v0.2.1 is out
Mar 06 05:47:09 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 05:54:00 <texel> G'night!
Mar 06 05:54:05 <KotCzarny> night night
Mar 06 06:01:16 <mbuf> python-gtkmvc is available in chinook?
Mar 06 06:01:51 <mbuf> i am not able to find it in bora 3.x
Mar 06 06:18:01 <leif__> konttori, did you see my earlier messages to you here?
Mar 06 06:18:09 <konttori> no
Mar 06 06:18:14 <konttori> sorry
Mar 06 06:18:16 <konttori> what's up?
Mar 06 06:18:27 * konttori has to leave to a meeting in 5 minutes
Mar 06 06:18:31 <leif__> i was wondering if you'd noticed how we did icons in the 2008 version of the lcars themes..
Mar 06 06:18:42 <leif__> turns out they're properly themeable after all!
Mar 06 06:18:50 <konttori> Really?
Mar 06 06:18:50 <leif__> just set gtk-icon-theme-name = "foo" in the gtkrc, and icons in /usr/share/icons/foo will override the hicolor set
Mar 06 06:18:59 <konttori> Only the delta?
Mar 06 06:19:01 <leif__> yep, require a reboot after switching themes though.
Mar 06 06:19:14 <leif__> i don't know what you mean by only the delta
Mar 06 06:19:35 <konttori> That you only need to have different icons in there and if something is missing from foo, it will use the hicolor counterpart
Mar 06 06:19:50 <leif__> yes!
Mar 06 06:19:58 <konttori> ah. truly great
Mar 06 06:19:59 <leif__> it is awesome like that :)
Mar 06 06:20:09 <leif__> unfortunately, the battery charging icon is not included tho
Mar 06 06:20:22 <leif__> and a couple others. But all the statusbar and tasknav stuff is
Mar 06 06:20:28 <konttori> Hmm... I'll have to think how to best utilize that.
Mar 06 06:20:33 <konttori> Sounds great then!
Mar 06 06:20:38 <konttori> Maybe another template for the icons
Mar 06 06:20:54 <konttori> I'll talk to tuomas kuosmanen (tigert) about the icon theming a bit more
Mar 06 06:21:06 <leif__> we're still dpkg-diverting a few things, but with a separate package called lcars-extras now.
Mar 06 06:21:14 <leif__> the icons reload if you killall -1 hildon-desktop
Mar 06 06:21:19 <leif__> and killall hildon-input-method
Mar 06 06:21:23 <KotCzarny> lol
Mar 06 06:21:25 <konttori> but now I have to leave. Thanks for the tip! And really nice talking to you.
Mar 06 06:21:25 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 06:21:34 <leif__> likewise. take care
Mar 06 06:50:28 <cLin> i select connect to any connection in my n800 yet it doesn't when it's not connected and near my wifi spot
Mar 06 06:50:33 <cLin> what gives
Mar 06 08:54:18 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Mar 06 09:00:29 <liri> morning
Mar 06 09:11:51 <gratz|work> Has anyone set up their own repository mirrors? Looking to do this to avoid some authentication on a network here for wireless so people can update the tablets over wireless instead of having to dl the packages on PC's and transfer them across
Mar 06 09:13:42 <leif__> gratz|work, there are several apt-based things like apt-proxy etc... but the easiest thing for many needs is a simple http caching proxy like squid
Mar 06 09:14:17 <leif__> just remember to increase the minimum file size that the proxy is configured to cache
Mar 06 09:16:13 <leif__> I haven't done this with internet tablets specifically, but in a lab environment with lots of PCs pulling the same debian and ubuntu updates a squid cache worked quite well for me
Mar 06 09:17:53 <gratz|work> was hoping to have a local repo that would grab updates from the main repos nightly
Mar 06 09:20:07 <pupnik> ty for that tip leif__
Mar 06 09:21:55 <leif__> gratz|work, some of the programs available besides apt-proxy include debmirror, apt-move, and apt-cacher
Mar 06 09:23:22 <leif__> but i really think a generic http proxy is the way to go, and if you have one system do its apt-get update/upgrade through it regularly your cache will remain up to date
Mar 06 09:29:21 <nagendra> hii
Mar 06 09:29:36 <santosh> how r u?
Mar 06 09:29:43 <nagendra> i am not fine
Mar 06 09:29:47 <nagendra> what about u ?
Mar 06 09:29:59 <santosh> annaya nu piluvu
Mar 06 09:29:59 <nagendra> bongu em kaadu ?
Mar 06 09:31:02 <nagendra> hello
Mar 06 09:37:35 <santosh> vachhinda
Mar 06 09:45:29 <nagendra> hello disc
Mar 06 09:47:05 <disq> hi. weird, nero.net blocked freenode on their router
Mar 06 10:02:54 <nagendra> hi glass
Mar 06 10:06:15 <nagendra> hii Disq
Mar 06 10:27:02 <cyberholic> Hello everyone!
Mar 06 10:30:46 <cyberholic> Does anyone know the repository for the Wayfinder program?
Mar 06 10:32:15 <cyberholic> ok, i found it back in "navigation" thanks in advance ;)
Mar 06 10:41:37 <pupnik> so xsp pixel doubling on os2008 doen't use dsp... hmm
Mar 06 10:44:15 <pupnik> KotCzarny: got a howto to run dsp with 400 mhz cpu?
Mar 06 10:44:26 <KotCzarny> hmm
Mar 06 10:44:29 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 10:44:42 <KotCzarny> you have to modify kernel
Mar 06 10:45:06 <KotCzarny> i did that by copying freq tables from 400/133 to 330/220
Mar 06 10:45:36 <pupnik> nice
Mar 06 10:45:36 <KotCzarny> i can give you modified file
Mar 06 10:45:41 <pupnik> thanks
Mar 06 10:48:21 <KotCzarny> http://mrrau.dyndns.org:232800/n800/mpu_h/board-n800-dvfs.c
Mar 06 10:48:25 <KotCzarny> here
Mar 06 10:49:16 <KotCzarny> there's also compiled kernel with that mod
Mar 06 10:49:37 <pupnik> bad port number?
Mar 06 10:49:46 <KotCzarny> erm, 23280
Mar 06 10:49:46 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 10:49:47 <pupnik> ok
Mar 06 10:50:35 <pupnik> so kernel is flashable to os2008?
Mar 06 10:50:56 <KotCzarny> yes i guess
Mar 06 10:51:10 <KotCzarny> at least that's what i use
Mar 06 10:52:02 <KotCzarny> the file lives in: arch/arm/mach-omap2
Mar 06 10:52:19 <pupnik> if dsp can handle mp3 decoding at 133mhz, it seems like a more reasonable setting
Mar 06 10:52:31 <KotCzarny> that was my logic too
Mar 06 10:52:43 <pupnik> but maybe nokia has other ideas
Mar 06 10:53:03 <KotCzarny> they needed to be sure multimedia specs are met
Mar 06 10:53:11 <pupnik> ah
Mar 06 10:53:20 <KotCzarny> or something according those lines
Mar 06 10:53:24 <pupnik> it would be nice if apps could set these speeds
Mar 06 10:53:31 <pupnik> to match their requirements
Mar 06 10:53:31 <KotCzarny> cpufreq
Mar 06 10:53:32 <KotCzarny> ;)
Mar 06 10:53:58 <pupnik> yes but my app can't use dsp and run 400/133 with cpufreq
Mar 06 10:54:05 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 10:54:38 <KotCzarny> this mode can be made user settable
Mar 06 10:54:56 <KotCzarny> but it will be more complicated patch than one-liner
Mar 06 10:54:57 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 10:55:19 <KotCzarny> hmm
Mar 06 10:55:36 <KotCzarny> i wonder if swscaling can be made on dsp
Mar 06 10:55:46 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 06 10:59:40 <KotCzarny> weird, i have the same batt-voltage reading for a few hours
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