**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Mar 07 10:59:56 2008
Mar 07 11:00:40 <johnx> hi
Mar 07 11:00:48 <b0unc3> guys, where I can get gpg or pgp for chinook sdk ?
Mar 07 11:01:59 <johnx> pupnik, this is pretty freakin' cool :D
Mar 07 11:03:45 <johnx> can be a little hard to click on such small moving targets, but there's nothing to be done about that...
Mar 07 11:03:56 <pupnik> yeah i have some quibbles about ui issues
Mar 07 11:04:18 <pupnik> creating a 'blocker' then selecting a different action type will instantly change your active blocker to that other action type
Mar 07 11:04:38 <pupnik> so you first have to click into blank space before selecting a different action
Mar 07 11:05:03 <johnx> ah
Mar 07 11:05:14 <johnx> how much hacking did you have to do to optimize this
Mar 07 11:05:27 <johnx> ?
Mar 07 11:05:29 <johnx> I remember this not being all that fast on my older athlon
Mar 07 11:05:29 <pupnik> had to figure out how to deal with scons
Mar 07 11:05:51 <ynezz> b0unc3: I think, that there's just osso-gpg and GnuPG http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-users/2008-March/009618.html
Mar 07 11:05:54 <pupnik> the rest of the optimization work is all grumbel
Mar 07 11:06:27 <pupnik> turns out the gcc optimizations made a huge difference
Mar 07 11:06:38 <pupnik> and my first builds weren't activating the gcc flags i'd chosen
Mar 07 11:07:29 <X-Fade> pupnik: Would you be interested to help beta test the maemo extras autobuilder?
Mar 07 11:09:08 <hrw> o.. maemo autobuilder
Mar 07 11:09:56 <X-Fade> hrw: You are welcome too ;)
Mar 07 11:10:04 <hrw> impossible starts to begin
Mar 07 11:10:18 <hrw> X-Fade: I have OE to build maemo stuff
Mar 07 11:10:52 <X-Fade> hrw: Yeah, I know. That is why I added the smiley..
Mar 07 11:11:12 <johnx> pupnik, it kind of ran away from me ... I think it might have used all available memory
Mar 07 11:11:21 <johnx> ended in a watchdog reboot I think
Mar 07 11:11:56 <johnx> I'll play a couple more levels and see if it happens again... just for testing of course :)
Mar 07 11:12:45 <pupnik> X-Fade: yes but right now i'm almost out of time
Mar 07 11:13:01 <pupnik> X-Fade: url?
Mar 07 11:13:21 <X-Fade> pupnik: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/wiki/index.php?BuildMe&id=602&type=g  <- temporary documentation.
Mar 07 11:13:39 <pupnik> excellent
Mar 07 11:13:55 <romaxa_> quit
Mar 07 11:13:56 <pupnik> i have a few packages that might be 'extras quality' :)
Mar 07 11:13:57 <X-Fade> The builder is in demo mode, so it will not end up in extras-devel yet. But will be shortly..
Mar 07 11:14:20 <pupnik> will schedule this for ~20:00 GMT today
Mar 07 11:14:45 <X-Fade> pupnik: Ping me if you run into trouble or things are unclear..
Mar 07 11:15:05 <hrw> X-Fade: ever heard about 'devscripts' Debian package?
Mar 07 11:15:25 <hrw> X-Fade: it contain some helper scripts which will be usable to notice on that page
Mar 07 11:15:26 <Jaffa> X-Fade: cool
Mar 07 11:15:30 <hrw> debuild, dput
Mar 07 11:16:02 <X-Fade> hrw: Hmm indeed, good point.
Mar 07 11:16:32 <hrw> X-Fade: debuild do build, source and signing
Mar 07 11:17:39 <johnx> pupnik, memory usage goes up as you play the game
Mar 07 11:17:50 <pupnik> from level to level?
Mar 07 11:18:04 <johnx> it goes up in levels as well
Mar 07 11:18:06 <pupnik> it allocates mem for pingus
Mar 07 11:18:08 <X-Fade> Jaffa: You are welcome too, of course...
Mar 07 11:18:10 <ynezz> oh I was installing pingus via apt and was wondering why it takes so long to finish and there's dialog 'Select location' pending :p
Mar 07 11:18:31 <pupnik> ty for the info johnx
Mar 07 11:18:52 <johnx> tell me if there is any more info I can give
Mar 07 11:19:10 <pupnik> it installed ok?  menu launcher worked?
Mar 07 11:19:18 <johnx> yeah, worked great
Mar 07 11:19:25 <pupnik> uh. heh cool
Mar 07 11:19:26 <johnx> the ui is slick
Mar 07 11:19:42 <johnx> and it runs really nicely at first too
Mar 07 11:20:11 <johnx> but after a couple levels it's out of memory and I can't get enough free mem to run killall O_o
Mar 07 11:21:43 <johnx> "killall pingusbin" gives me "-sh: cannot fork"
Mar 07 11:22:17 <robtaylor> X-Fade: i dunno if you're interested but i have some patches to sbuild to allow building in scratchbox
Mar 07 11:25:16 <X-Fade> robtaylor: I'm not sure what the current builder uses. Ed Bartosh is developing it..
Mar 07 11:32:13 <mbuf> can we test gstreamer within scratchbox+Xephyr?
Mar 07 11:35:05 <hrw> I have stupid question
Mar 07 11:35:43 <hrw> scratchbox use qemu (userspace emulation) to run all utils during build?
Mar 07 11:40:18 <script> hrw: depends on the cpu-transparency method
Mar 07 11:40:28 <script> hrw: but for arm-targets probably: "yes"
Mar 07 11:40:47 <zuh> Depends what is meant by "all utils"
Mar 07 11:40:55 <script> well, that too
Mar 07 11:41:27 <zuh> All arm-binaries, yes. Anything x86 (like the toolchain and whatever devkit tools you might have), no
Mar 07 11:41:52 <script> e.g. /scratchbox/tools/bin/ls is a x86 binary, not an arm-binary
Mar 07 11:41:57 <script> even with arm-tagets
Mar 07 11:42:26 <hrw> ok
Mar 07 11:45:50 <zuh> it's called cpu- _transparency_ for a reason ;)
Mar 07 11:48:41 <hrw> especially when maemo4 use ntpl and scratchbox use qemu which does not support it
Mar 07 11:49:11 <pupnik> johnx: os2007?
Mar 07 11:49:21 <johnx> os2008
Mar 07 11:50:46 <kulve> Can I query the IP of the current connection through the ConIc API?
Mar 07 12:01:01 <pupnik_> johnx: with swap after playing three levels i get about 83 MB swap used and then it stays there
Mar 07 12:01:31 <johnx> ah, I've been trying to enable swap with no luck
Mar 07 12:03:11 <pupnik_> maybe it'll be possible for grumbel to fix it to run in 128MB
Mar 07 12:03:23 <pupnik_> it does run using only ~40 MB at the outset
Mar 07 12:03:47 <pupnik_> this also explains the pauses i've been seeing
Mar 07 12:05:06 <johnx> I wonder why the memory usage keeps going up, and doesn't drop between levels
Mar 07 12:05:21 <pupnik_> dunno
Mar 07 12:05:36 <pupnik_> i also see "maemo-launcher" sucking up ungodly memory in 'top'
Mar 07 12:05:49 <johnx> top lies a little bit
Mar 07 12:05:49 <pupnik_> maybe maemo-launcher is including pingusbin's memory requirements in reporting?
Mar 07 12:05:55 <pupnik_> ok
Mar 07 12:05:59 <johnx> I think the top included doesn't show shared memory
Mar 07 12:06:16 <pupnik_> ok  well pingus tops out at 108.2% of memory
Mar 07 12:06:40 <johnx> it runs sooo nicely at first, the music is smooth too
Mar 07 12:07:28 <pupnik_> uup no still crawling up... 117%
Mar 07 12:07:49 <johnx> my gut reaction would be "memory leak"
Mar 07 12:28:01 <pupnik_> I'll have to disable the editor
Mar 07 12:28:21 <johnx> is that taking up a lot of memory?
Mar 07 12:42:27 <lopz> hi
Mar 07 12:42:45 <johnx> hello
Mar 07 12:46:25 <pupnik_> johnx: it doesn't work here - just hangs the game
Mar 07 12:46:34 <johnx> ah
Mar 07 13:27:32 <pupnik> jott: do you detect a memory leak in your build?
Mar 07 13:29:02 <mbuf> what is the reason for this error in scratchbox? "undefined symbol: PyUnicodeUCS4_AsUnicode"
Mar 07 13:29:20 <mbuf> trying Example 2.1 from here, http://pygstdocs.berlios.de/pygst-tutorial/playbin.html
Mar 07 13:53:55 <SDuensin> Morning.
Mar 07 13:54:02 <pupnik> mooo
Mar 07 13:54:09 <SDuensin> quack
Mar 07 13:54:18 <jumpula> meow
Mar 07 13:55:01 <jaska_> oink
Mar 07 14:00:23 <fysa> bok
Mar 07 14:02:51 <pupnik> ok i got one picture that will be of interest to some here.  check the image on the wall.  the thing on the desk is an omap3430 development board
Mar 07 14:03:01 <pupnik> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jadon/2295711520/in/pool-beagleboard
Mar 07 14:04:20 <X-Fade> pupnik: Hehem well, there is no question that maemo runs on that new omap ;)
Mar 07 14:05:04 <pupnik> hotel room, TI developer's conference afaik
Mar 07 14:05:40 <X-Fade> pupnik: I can only hope they will switch to a 1024x600 screen with native display controller ;)
Mar 07 14:06:53 <hrw> pupnik: so?
Mar 07 14:07:11 <pupnik> ah i'm wrong about the TIDC - the date is earlier
Mar 07 14:08:04 <hrw> so we have new rumour - new tablet on omap3430
Mar 07 14:08:26 <shackan> and where did you hear that?
Mar 07 14:08:32 <X-Fade> hrw: Just looking at the announced phones is a lot easier ;)
Mar 07 14:08:48 <X-Fade> Tablets are just phones with bigger screen and without gsm part ..
Mar 07 14:09:08 <shackan> which means, they're not phones at all
Mar 07 14:09:34 <X-Fade> shackan: Well, you can use them to call somebody :D
Mar 07 14:09:51 <shackan> well, 99.9% of the time, no
Mar 07 14:09:52 <hrw> pupnik: what you see on photo is not TI omap3430 devboard but beagleboard based on omap3430
Mar 07 14:10:55 <hrw> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jadon/2285198817/in/pool-beagleboard/ is board itself
Mar 07 14:10:57 <shackan> also, what phone drains the battery after it's connected for three hours?
Mar 07 14:11:13 <pupnik> looks like a great little board :)
Mar 07 14:11:32 <X-Fade> shackan: Every phone that also has wifi?
Mar 07 14:12:12 <X-Fade> pupnik: http://beagleboard.org/
Mar 07 14:12:26 <X-Fade> Or #beagle on freenode ;)
Mar 07 14:12:28 <shackan> I know wifi isn't really battery friendly
Mar 07 14:12:51 <pupnik> you can drop power down to 10mw
Mar 07 14:13:11 <shackan> sure, but it still won't give you more than three hours of wifi
Mar 07 14:13:37 <pupnik> i have had a n810 connected to wifi and being constantly pinged for something like 22 hours
Mar 07 14:13:45 <lcdd> i think the battery life on wifi depend a lot on how busy the network is
Mar 07 14:13:59 <lcdd> +s
Mar 07 14:13:59 <dtahtbot`> lcdd: Error: "s" is not a valid command.
Mar 07 14:14:02 <shackan> so even IF you happen to be hear a hotspot most of the time, it can't be used as a voip phone
Mar 07 14:14:04 <lcdd> sigh
Mar 07 14:15:00 <shackan> pupnik: well, I use it, connected to my laptop in adhoc, no encryption, nobody else on the network, just me surfing, and it doesn't last more than a couple of hours
Mar 07 14:15:02 <X-Fade> shackan: That is what I use 3G for..
Mar 07 14:15:16 <X-Fade> Via BT.
Mar 07 14:15:38 <shackan> via BT it lasts a bit longer (5-6 hrs)
Mar 07 14:15:46 <shackan> but still nowhere near 22 hours
Mar 07 14:16:24 <X-Fade> It all depends on use. If it idles on wifi, I get 3 days orso..
Mar 07 14:16:37 <shackan> I just read my rss
Mar 07 14:16:42 <X-Fade> As mauku client..
Mar 07 14:19:35 <sKaBoy> adhoc uses a lot of power
Mar 07 14:19:47 <shackan> mmm
Mar 07 14:19:53 <shackan> how is it any different?
Mar 07 14:20:38 <sKaBoy> don't know, but i've heard it somewhere :)
Mar 07 14:21:49 <scour-> umm im reading this connection tutorial (v4.0) on maemo.org and tried compiling it, it starts the connection fine but the event handler never gets executed. anyone know why? :\
Mar 07 14:37:01 <pupnik> I have a memory leak.  Can i use gdb or oprofile to show me which data structures are being allocated and not deallocated?
Mar 07 14:37:38 <derf> No.
Mar 07 14:37:47 <derf> If you can run it on x86, you can use valgrind.
Mar 07 14:38:11 <pupnik> ok thanks derf
Mar 07 14:39:24 <derf> Otherwise the standard approach is to make macros for malloc, calloc, realloc, and free, and have them keep track and report at the end.
Mar 07 14:39:47 <derf> But that's both a) complicated and b) error-prone (you have to make sure all code uses the macro).
Mar 07 14:44:31 <pupnik> i think i might not be able to do anything here
Mar 07 14:44:33 <hrw> or switch from malloc/calloc/etc to library which do tracking
Mar 07 14:53:19 <pupnik> ok this is c++ and i see no malloc/calloc to instantiate objexts in the source
Mar 07 14:53:41 <pupnik> so i'm guessing you're saying to replace something in the library
Mar 07 15:10:03 <hrw> bye
Mar 07 15:13:59 <hyphn> hi there - current 770 (2007HE) user here - looking to upgrade to a N810 (maybe), but looking for some performance comparisons... any pointers?
Mar 07 15:18:00 * Jaffa yawns
Mar 07 15:18:05 <Jaffa> hyphn: it's much much faster.
Mar 07 15:18:30 <Jaffa> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=151583 looks very cool: easy to do semi-transparent widgets in Python on the desktop
Mar 07 15:38:19 <felipec> -wc
Mar 07 15:44:39 <KotCzarny> meow
Mar 07 16:16:03 <Lamia> hi
Mar 07 16:27:50 <Lamia> KotCzarny!
Mar 07 16:27:56 <KotCzarny> o, hai
Mar 07 16:27:59 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 07 16:28:05 <Lamia> :(
Mar 07 16:31:50 <pupnik> http://pupnik.de/nokia_bg_lngcat.png  another maemo background ... 'longcat'
Mar 07 16:33:25 <texel> Good morning, folks!
Mar 07 16:33:36 <florian> hi texel
Mar 07 16:34:02 <texel> Anybody in here using SB2 and sbrsh for development?
Mar 07 17:34:55 <KotCzarny> http://www.slashgear.com/gallery/data_files/7/4/Nokia_N810_InternetTablet_1.jpg
Mar 07 17:34:58 <KotCzarny> nice n800 mod
Mar 07 17:34:59 <KotCzarny> :>
Mar 07 17:35:41 <texel> Mod?
Mar 07 17:35:45 <KotCzarny> black
Mar 07 17:35:47 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 07 17:35:48 <texel> Oh, you mean the black.
Mar 07 17:36:12 <KotCzarny> btw. uae4all works beautifully
Mar 07 17:36:19 <KotCzarny> but it uses oss for sound
Mar 07 17:36:24 <KotCzarny> which needs to be fixed
Mar 07 17:36:32 <texel> Mm.
Mar 07 17:36:34 <KotCzarny> mouse is fully recognized
Mar 07 17:36:36 <texel> But that's actually easier. =o)
Mar 07 17:36:44 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 07 17:36:48 <KotCzarny> how?
Mar 07 17:36:53 <KotCzarny> aoss segfaults
Mar 07 17:36:54 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 07 17:37:05 <KotCzarny> one could probably hack oss->sdl
Mar 07 17:37:07 <texel> At least, compared to hacking in that horrible mess you were hacking in yesterday.
Mar 07 17:37:30 <texel> Quite frankly, that was some of the worst C I've seen in a long, long time.
Mar 07 17:37:59 <texel> But OSS endpoints are easy to identify.
Mar 07 17:38:07 <KotCzarny> yes. /dev/dsp
Mar 07 17:38:10 <KotCzarny> which doesn't exists
Mar 07 17:38:11 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 07 17:38:27 <texel> I think ALSA provides a similar interface that needs a little initialization up front.
Mar 07 17:38:36 <KotCzarny> yes, aoss
Mar 07 17:38:40 <KotCzarny> but it segfaults
Mar 07 17:38:40 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 07 17:38:58 <texel> But isn't aoss that weird LD_PRELOAD hack?
Mar 07 17:39:02 <KotCzarny> yes
Mar 07 17:39:11 <KotCzarny> do you know another way?
Mar 07 17:39:18 <KotCzarny> there was alsa-oss kernel module
Mar 07 17:39:20 <texel> So that's not what I"m talking about. =op
Mar 07 17:39:24 <KotCzarny> but i don't see it in the kernel
Mar 07 17:39:30 <texel> I'm talking about the actual ALSA APIs.
Mar 07 17:39:48 <KotCzarny> fe. changing:         ioctl(sounddev, SNDCTL_DSP_SPEED,  &rate);
Mar 07 17:39:48 <KotCzarny> ?
Mar 07 17:39:49 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 07 17:39:55 <texel> IIRC, once you have the ALSA device /open/, it works very closely to that of /dev/dsp.
Mar 07 17:40:23 <KotCzarny> gah.
Mar 07 17:40:23 <texel> It's been a while since I hacked with it, though.
Mar 07 17:40:27 <KotCzarny> i take my words back
Mar 07 17:40:30 <KotCzarny>   x x         < >   OSS PCM (digital audio) API                                               x x
Mar 07 17:40:33 <KotCzarny> is available
Mar 07 17:40:37 * KotCzarny goes to kernel compile
Mar 07 17:40:38 <KotCzarny> :>
Mar 07 17:40:47 <texel> Hah
Mar 07 17:40:50 <texel> =o)
Mar 07 17:40:55 <texel> I wish you luck!
Mar 07 17:41:05 <KotCzarny> should be quick module build :)
Mar 07 17:41:07 * texel has just about managed to get emacs to compile now
Mar 07 17:41:17 <texel> Still having trouble with sbrsh, though.
Mar 07 17:41:41 <texel> Ie: "Warning: Executing binary with bogus working directory (/tmp) because sbrsh can only see /home/june/maemo-root and /home/june)
Mar 07 17:41:44 <texel> "
Mar 07 17:42:10 <KotCzarny> i never got around emacs long enough to like it
Mar 07 17:42:18 <texel> Mm.
Mar 07 17:42:32 <KotCzarny> mcedit is my editor of choice :)
Mar 07 17:42:38 <inz> "I already have an OS, thank you very much"
Mar 07 17:42:46 <texel> Heh
Mar 07 17:43:06 <texel> Well, my goal is an attempt to hildonize it somewhat.
Mar 07 17:43:40 <texel> I'm very close, but I have no idea why sbrsh isn't using the proper working directory.
Mar 07 17:43:55 <texel> Which is causing the build to fail, since the command it's trying to run uses a relative pathname.
Mar 07 17:44:17 <inz> And cputransp isn't enough?
Mar 07 17:44:23 <texel> No.
Mar 07 17:44:34 <texel> emacs uses segfaults to dump it's compiled lisp code.
Mar 07 17:44:40 <texel> Causes qemu to go nuts.
Mar 07 17:44:42 <KotCzarny> lol
Mar 07 17:44:44 <inz> ahh
Mar 07 17:44:48 <KotCzarny> now that's a hack.
Mar 07 17:44:48 <KotCzarny> ;)
Mar 07 17:44:56 * texel shrugs
Mar 07 17:44:57 <inz> Truely sounds like one
Mar 07 17:45:07 <texel> Lots of programs do that to dump state at a low level.
Mar 07 17:45:26 <texel> Most self-hosting interpreted/compiled languages do that.
Mar 07 17:45:38 <texel> Simply so they have a runnable image of their code on disk.
Mar 07 17:45:46 <texel> It's one way to get a Perl "binary". =op
Mar 07 17:45:51 <texel> I think Squeak does it as well.
Mar 07 17:46:09 <KotCzarny> still, segfault sounds like an error
Mar 07 17:46:32 <KotCzarny> not a state-save
Mar 07 17:46:32 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 07 17:46:54 <texel> Well, a segfault is really nothing more than a pointer that is being read or written to in a memory segment that isn't available to a program at that point in time.
Mar 07 17:47:06 <texel> It's not necessarily a bad thing -- the kernel handles segfaults all the time.
Mar 07 17:47:26 <texel> It just happens to swap in memory pages when it has them handy to continue processing.
Mar 07 17:48:10 <inz> but it still sounds like using exceptions for program logic
Mar 07 17:48:21 <texel> libc does it all the time, too.
Mar 07 17:48:39 <texel> It's how most memory management works.
Mar 07 17:48:42 * texel shrugs
Mar 07 17:49:07 <texel> Anywho, valid or not, that's how emacs builds itself. =o)
Mar 07 17:49:29 <KotCzarny> humhum
Mar 07 17:49:39 <texel> So the core issue is getting sbrsh to work.
Mar 07 18:21:49 <^jsn^> hey does anyone know if there is an app that works on the n810 to receive sms messages from a cell phone?
Mar 07 18:22:14 <KotCzarny> you will have to change your cellphone service
Mar 07 18:22:23 <KotCzarny> to notify you by email about sms
Mar 07 18:22:38 <aquatix> myeah, some phones can provide that info to a pc
Mar 07 18:22:43 <aquatix> over bluetooth even
Mar 07 18:22:45 <^jsn^> i know that you can send sms messages with phonelink but what about receiving them from your phone?
Mar 07 18:22:46 <aquatix> so it's possible
Mar 07 18:22:54 <KotCzarny> ah, this way
Mar 07 18:23:04 <aquatix> ^jsn^: see gammu?
Mar 07 18:23:07 <KotCzarny> i thought about receiving sms on n8x0
Mar 07 18:23:08 <KotCzarny> :>
Mar 07 18:23:09 <aquatix> or something
Mar 07 18:23:19 <aquatix> not sure whether a port exists for maemo though
Mar 07 18:23:22 <^jsn^> what is gammu?
Mar 07 18:23:39 <aquatix> a program with which you can look at stuff in your phone
Mar 07 18:23:44 <aquatix> address book, sms'es
Mar 07 18:23:45 <aquatix> etc
Mar 07 18:23:50 <aquatix> use google ;)
Mar 07 18:23:53 <aquatix> gammu and wammu
Mar 07 18:24:01 <aquatix> the one is the gui, other is a cli prog
Mar 07 18:24:12 <aquatix> but as i said, not sure whether it's ported to maemo yet
Mar 07 18:25:02 <^jsn^> cool this looks promising thanks
Mar 07 18:25:32 <aquatix> you're welcome :)
Mar 07 18:26:28 <LoCusF> gotta see if it compiles under scratchbox
Mar 07 18:27:00 <LoCusF> there is a libmysql as a dependency
Mar 07 18:27:33 <^jsn^> ok
Mar 07 18:34:08 <LoCusF> ^jsn^: it configured ok and is building now, I'll post it to ITT forums after some testing on my n810
Mar 07 18:35:09 <^jsn^> awesome
Mar 07 18:35:41 <^jsn^> your a maemo dev?
Mar 07 18:36:10 <LoCusF> ^jsn^: sorta
Mar 07 18:36:16 <LoCusF> just a hobby by far :)
Mar 07 18:36:29 <^jsn^> your building gammu and wammu?
Mar 07 18:36:36 <LoCusF> just gammu
Mar 07 18:36:43 <LoCusF> wammu would be too much of a brag
Mar 07 18:36:46 <LoCusF> thus far :)
Mar 07 18:36:56 <^jsn^> lol
Mar 07 18:38:14 <lcuk_2> has anyone bothered with multi user capable apps for the nokia?
Mar 07 18:39:34 <^jsn^> you mean like muntiple desktops?
Mar 07 18:39:36 <Navi> Anyone know how to disable the onscreen keyboard when using synergy?  I accidentally did it once
Mar 07 18:39:53 <Navi> but I can't figure out how to do it again
Mar 07 18:39:55 <lcuk_2> jsn, no - more like multi user preferences
Mar 07 18:40:18 <lcuk_2> when i get to the machine i want things a certain way, when my missus uses it she does things differently
Mar 07 18:41:06 <lcuk_2> navi, do you use it normally or do you want osk disabled always?
Mar 07 18:41:17 <^jsn^> lol tell her to get her own : )
Mar 07 18:41:22 <Navi> Well, I'm using the keyboard at the desktop at the moment
Mar 07 18:41:34 <Navi> I just want to disable/enable it at will
Mar 07 18:42:17 <lcuk_2> theres an option inside the control panel, but its not something easily reachable - it could be something however done from a small wrapper program i think though
Mar 07 18:42:24 <LoCusF> the package got built ok, now stripping some docs off
Mar 07 18:43:32 <^jsn^> ok
Mar 07 18:45:29 <Navi> lcuk_2, where is it?
Mar 07 18:47:17 <lcuk_2> personalization/text input settings
Mar 07 18:47:46 <Navi> I've checked there and don't see anything about it
Mar 07 18:52:01 <^jsn^> locusf when do you think your build of gammu will be available for download?
Mar 07 18:53:11 <LoCusF> ^jsn^: I got it built now, now testing
Mar 07 18:54:14 <^jsn^> let me know how it turns out
Mar 07 18:54:23 <LoCusF> ok
Mar 07 18:55:15 <lcuk_2> Text Input: On Screen tab:   "Enable stylus input methods"    and    "Launch finger keyboard with finger tap" and also within the languages tab there is a settings button with other predictions things you can disable.  i  havent seen the OSK now since i unticked everything in these screens
Mar 07 18:55:37 <Navi> I don't have "Enable stylus input methods"
Mar 07 18:55:57 <lcuk_2> which os are you using? os2008 here which might explain things
Mar 07 18:56:02 <Navi> os2008
Mar 07 18:56:39 <lcuk_2> n810 or 800?   i wonder if its acting different if you have 800 and no other kb - i thought it was os dependent,not machine specific
Mar 07 18:56:47 <Navi> N800
Mar 07 18:56:54 <lcuk_2> might explain it then...
Mar 07 18:57:38 <lcuk_2> i dunno how then - as i said i thought it would be the same for same os but the flag must only be visible for 810
Mar 07 19:01:39 <Navi> I did it!
Mar 07 19:01:42 <Navi> somehow >_>
Mar 07 19:02:21 <Navi> I smashed random buttons on my keyboard and it disabled the onscreen keyboard
Mar 07 19:03:28 <Navi> and it's gone again :<
Mar 07 19:07:56 <Navi> ah, interesting
Mar 07 19:08:01 <Navi> if you hold shift and hit space
Mar 07 19:08:38 <Navi> it disables the onscreen keyboard, do it again and it enables it.
Mar 07 19:08:48 <KotCzarny> magic.
Mar 07 19:08:55 <Navi> Indeed
Mar 07 19:09:58 <lcuk_2> excellent - like the rest of the linux system - undocumented goodness (until now when google picks up this chat)
Mar 07 19:10:19 <Navi> Heh
Mar 07 19:10:28 <KotCzarny> anyone got any kind of oss sound emulation working?
Mar 07 19:10:43 <lcuk_2> but how do you hold shift and space on the 800 when you just disabled the osk    o.O
Mar 07 19:11:02 <KotCzarny> lcuk: remap some key? :)
Mar 07 19:11:17 <lcuk_2> bit late if you do it accidentally and dont know how to get it on
Mar 07 19:11:37 <KotCzarny> ssh
Mar 07 19:11:38 <Navi> How about I turn it on before I disconnect the keyboard?
Mar 07 19:11:42 <lcuk_2> does it actually disable it if you do it from the osk
Mar 07 19:11:52 <Navi> no, from a keyboard
Mar 07 19:12:02 <lcuk_2> it might revert itself if you unplug
Mar 07 19:12:08 <KotCzarny> but i guess it olny works for 810
Mar 07 19:12:09 <Navi> there is no unplug :P
Mar 07 19:12:13 <lcuk_2> but that would show intelligence beyond nokia ;)
Mar 07 19:12:17 <Navi> I'm connected through synergy
Mar 07 19:12:17 <KotCzarny> ie. listens for hw kb event
Mar 07 19:12:49 * lcuk_2 unplugs his hardware keyboard from his 810 then sees the flaw in his plan
Mar 07 19:13:03 <Navi> :/
Mar 07 19:13:07 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 07 19:13:26 <Navi> Anyways, good stuff
Mar 07 19:13:37 <Navi> I was getting annoyed having to use the enter key from the numpad
Mar 07 19:13:40 <lcuk_2> im gonna be upgrading to a big cheap linux laptop when i see one cheap enough
Mar 07 19:14:23 <Navi> Now I just need the mouse cursor to be enabled and I'm good
Mar 07 19:14:29 <lcuk_2> its a shame most of the big ones use x86 though :(
Mar 07 19:14:36 <Navi> :<
Mar 07 19:14:39 * lcuk_2 prefers arm
Mar 07 19:14:44 <Navi> Meh
Mar 07 19:15:13 <lcuk_2> navi, mouse is enabled i think, doesnt hildon just display a clear cursor as a hack
Mar 07 19:15:19 <KotCzarny> yes
Mar 07 19:15:25 <Navi> That's what I ment :P
Mar 07 19:15:45 <h3sp4wn> Anyone know what arch the elonex "the one" uses
Mar 07 19:16:03 <Navi> I disabled the mouse theme in the default settings
Mar 07 19:16:15 <Navi> which works for when I'm _not_ connected to synergy
Mar 07 19:16:19 <lcuk_2> it says "LNX code 8 mobile 300mhz processor"
Mar 07 19:16:22 <Navi> but there goes the use :P
Mar 07 19:16:44 <lcuk_2> i was just admiring that and thinking for an extra 20-30 quid they could add touch
Mar 07 19:17:19 <h3sp4wn> Yeah I saw that - its unlikely its arm
Mar 07 19:17:20 <lcuk_2> theres another one as well
Mar 07 19:17:21 <lcuk_2> http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/03/06/gecube-shows-cheap-linux-tablet
Mar 07 19:17:39 <lcuk_2> they are really tking off
Mar 07 19:17:44 <lcuk_2> its a price war - people are snapping them up :)
Mar 07 19:17:57 <KotCzarny> ugly
Mar 07 19:17:58 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 07 19:18:01 * lcuk_2 waits for the £200 mail in rebate on £99 laptops
Mar 07 19:18:32 <lcuk_2> yer, but its got a bigger screen (10.2) and 512mb memory
Mar 07 19:18:45 <KotCzarny> erm
Mar 07 19:18:48 <KotCzarny> that's 10" ?
Mar 07 19:18:56 <KotCzarny> the whole thing is a tank then
Mar 07 19:19:05 * KotCzarny admires his ibm x32
Mar 07 19:19:06 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 07 19:19:09 <lcuk_2> thats the big brother model - my mistake
Mar 07 19:20:08 <Navi> annoying glossy screen :/
Mar 07 19:20:13 <KotCzarny> that too
Mar 07 19:20:27 <KotCzarny> but 'shiny'
Mar 07 19:20:45 <Navi> We all know how people fall for "shiny"
Mar 07 19:20:57 <KotCzarny> yes, from the beginning of the time
Mar 07 19:20:59 <lcuk_2> i have to say though, for integration - the iphone sdk is looking rock solid
Mar 07 19:21:13 <lcuk_2> shame the screen res lets it down
Mar 07 19:21:51 <KotCzarny> The First GPS Navigation System for iPhone (video)
Mar 07 19:21:51 <KotCzarny> lol
Mar 07 19:22:13 <KotCzarny> http://www.techamok.com/?pid=4195
Mar 07 19:22:26 <lcuk_2> at least the iphone kinda knows where its going - we havent had any luck with gps on this
Mar 07 19:22:42 <lcuk_2> every journey we have tried it on the gps hasnt connected before we have arrived
Mar 07 19:23:09 <Navi> lol
Mar 07 19:23:15 <Navi> N810 reciever?
Mar 07 19:23:17 <ynezz> You're talking about GPS, how to enable it manualy on N810?
Mar 07 19:23:42 <Austin> Mine takes forever to get a lock after you first power it on, but after that it's not bad at all.
Mar 07 19:24:04 <LoCusF> crap jsn left :((((((
Mar 07 19:24:05 <lcuk_2> sure, i can get it to work but my gf passed her driving test and isnt very knowledgable about the roads - she might be going on shortish journeys but the damned thing cant be relied upon to tell her where she is
Mar 07 19:24:32 <f_mohr> ynezz settings/control pannel/gps location
Mar 07 19:24:35 <KotCzarny> 'you are >< here
Mar 07 19:24:36 <KotCzarny> ;)
Mar 07 19:24:44 <ynezz> here it's also ok after the first fix
Mar 07 19:24:55 <ynezz> f_mohr: I mean from xterm
Mar 07 19:25:00 <lcuk_2> but that first fix takes longer than the original journey
Mar 07 19:25:07 <ynezz> true
Mar 07 19:25:18 <lcuk_2> other gps units are fixed and work perfectly after just a couple of minutes
Mar 07 19:25:24 <ynezz> yep
Mar 07 19:25:30 <Navi> Cool, clipboard carries over from the PC to N800
Mar 07 19:25:40 <f_mohr> i was looking for that too .. no idea yet (wanted to use my logger script on the n810 too)
Mar 07 19:26:22 <lcuk_2> its an embarrassment tbh - i cant whip it out and go "look it does gps"
Mar 07 19:26:27 <ynezz> hm, maybe I could use strace to watch what's doing
Mar 07 19:26:37 <Navi> lcuk_2, you have to plan it an hour or so ahead of time
Mar 07 19:26:42 <Navi> like
Mar 07 19:26:42 <ynezz> no you can't, it's crap
Mar 07 19:26:48 <ynezz> :)
Mar 07 19:26:55 <Navi> "Give me an hour, I'll show you something cool"
Mar 07 19:27:25 * Navi doesn't have an N810 so he doesn't really care
Mar 07 19:27:31 <lcuk_2> maybe if i am facing the right direction
Mar 07 19:27:40 <KotCzarny> http://www.techamok.com/?pid=4192
Mar 07 19:27:41 <KotCzarny> lol
Mar 07 19:28:00 <lcuk_2> her boyfriend is a hardman
Mar 07 19:29:11 <lcuk_2> if i hadnt got the 810 through work i would have returned it by now - i dont wanna tell them i have problems with it - the rest is perfect - it does what its meant to and has full use around the house, but i got it in part because of the gps
Mar 07 19:30:16 <lcuk_2> can we talk directly to the gps chip, or does it come through on the bluetooth bus?
Mar 07 19:33:23 <lcuk_2> supercoder 2000 http://lh6.google.ca/abramsv/R6a_wO9HrRI/AAAAAAAAGQM/xf0d3TbtGqc/s1600-h/1818973829_94fac2c358_o.jpg
Mar 07 20:09:01 <SmackPotat> tuco
Mar 07 20:09:17 <Tuco> SmackPotat
Mar 07 20:09:19 <ynezz> lcuk_2: cat /var/lib/gps/gps_serial_ports it seems to be connected via serial line and put on/off via some ioctl
Mar 07 20:09:43 <ynezz> lcuk_2: dunno exactly, just examining strace output now
Mar 07 20:10:15 <SmackPotat> cat /dev/ttyS0 but i dont know what you could say
Mar 07 20:10:30 <ynezz> ?
Mar 07 20:10:49 <ynezz> gps is /dev/pgps
Mar 07 20:12:14 <SmackPotat> ya /dev/pgps/ puts out gps sentances  whatever they are
Mar 07 20:12:48 <SmackPotat> /dev/ttyS0 controls the gps i think
Mar 07 20:13:16 <ynezz> nope
Mar 07 20:13:25 <SmackPotat> k
Mar 07 20:14:38 <ynezz> I wonder what's that write(4, "AUTH EXTERNAL 3239393939\r\n", 26) = 26
Mar 07 20:16:07 <shackan> DBUS ?
Mar 07 20:18:18 <ynezz> seems so
Mar 07 20:23:58 <h3sp4wn> Is there any tricks to extend the range of the nokia 770
Mar 07 20:24:15 <KotCzarny> open it and install external antenna?
Mar 07 20:24:15 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 07 20:25:02 <h3sp4wn> Seems wierd both my laptops can see the campus wide wifi just fine
Mar 07 20:25:11 <h3sp4wn> (and I can see other networks)
Mar 07 20:25:11 <SmackPotat> put it at the focal point of a parabolic shaped fiying pan
Mar 07 20:25:24 <KotCzarny> but from my experience it's sensitivity is superior to my laptop
Mar 07 20:25:29 <KotCzarny> (thinkpad)
Mar 07 20:25:37 <h3sp4wn> Really I have a thinkpad X31
Mar 07 20:25:43 <KotCzarny> i have x32
Mar 07 20:25:45 <h3sp4wn> (Atheros wifi and its great)
Mar 07 20:25:46 * KotCzarny purrs
Mar 07 20:26:02 <KotCzarny> 2295 here
Mar 07 20:26:03 <KotCzarny> intel
Mar 07 20:27:53 <h3sp4wn> Its wierd its cisco pretty decent stuff
Mar 07 20:28:10 <h3sp4wn> I can see loads of belkin and linksys stuff all over the place though
Mar 07 20:28:54 <SmackPotat> ynezz do you know how much the gps chip actually does
Mar 07 21:03:50 <Veggen> where does ruby for maemo live now?
Mar 07 21:05:28 <pupnik> watch for the big dildo
Mar 07 21:08:44 <t_s_o> http://qgrab.com/digg/Corporate_Linux.jpg
Mar 07 21:09:04 <KotCzarny> pupnik: have you seen uae4all_gp2x_0.7.2a? :>
Mar 07 21:09:34 <KotCzarny> compiles/runs fine, though needs oss
Mar 07 21:09:51 <KotCzarny> and some key mappings update
Mar 07 21:10:03 <KotCzarny> but is very fast
Mar 07 21:10:08 <KotCzarny> ~50fps :>
Mar 07 21:10:11 <pupnik> good
Mar 07 21:10:27 <KotCzarny> with 320x240 scaled to 640x480
Mar 07 21:10:28 <KotCzarny> (:
Mar 07 21:10:43 <pupnik> did you build it KotCzarny ?
Mar 07 21:10:45 <KotCzarny> yes
Mar 07 21:10:57 <pupnik> can i host it on my site or do you want to host it?
Mar 07 21:11:11 <KotCzarny> it still needs work
Mar 07 21:11:36 <KotCzarny> ie. hacking in alsa support
Mar 07 21:11:56 <pupnik> ok thanks for working on it
Mar 07 21:12:07 <KotCzarny> i was just looking for a mousehack fix
Mar 07 21:12:12 <cLin> good afternoon fellas
Mar 07 21:12:13 <KotCzarny> and found this gem
Mar 07 21:12:14 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 07 21:12:27 <KotCzarny> -rwxrwxr-x    1 1003     102        634692 Mar  7 12:00 uae4all
Mar 07 21:12:32 <KotCzarny> it's very small too
Mar 07 21:13:25 <KotCzarny> and supports tablet mouse out of the box
Mar 07 21:13:26 <KotCzarny> :>
Mar 07 21:13:47 <KotCzarny> but this sound issue is getting me
Mar 07 21:18:52 <pupnik> you're a new shining star in the cool stuff area KotCzarny
Mar 07 21:19:28 <KotCzarny> lol
Mar 07 21:19:51 <pupnik> but i think you can get much brighter
Mar 07 21:19:59 <KotCzarny> yup
Mar 07 21:20:07 <KotCzarny> as soon as i learn oss/alsa and sdl
Mar 07 21:20:08 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 07 21:22:56 <fysa> KotCzarny: you were able to compile uae4all out of the box?
Mar 07 21:23:18 <fysa> from the gp2x port?
Mar 07 21:23:19 <KotCzarny> yes
Mar 07 21:23:30 <fysa> that is most excellent news.
Mar 07 21:23:30 <KotCzarny> i only added sdl pixel doubling
Mar 07 21:24:07 <fysa> very nice
Mar 07 21:24:16 <KotCzarny> superfrog loaded up to welcome screen
Mar 07 21:24:27 <KotCzarny> joystick isn't mapped to d-pad
Mar 07 21:24:34 <KotCzarny> so i wasn't able to test it further
Mar 07 21:24:48 <KotCzarny> also i tested mouse in workbench
Mar 07 21:24:59 <KotCzarny> a little off but otherwise perfect
Mar 07 21:26:28 <KotCzarny> so maybe i repeat my question, have anyone got oss working ?
Mar 07 21:26:42 <KotCzarny> direct or with alsa/esd emulation?
Mar 07 21:26:51 <fysa> I was able to compile alsa-oss and make install in scratchbox
Mar 07 21:27:04 <KotCzarny> aoss segfaults
Mar 07 21:27:06 <fysa> but haven't tested
Mar 07 21:27:27 <fysa> when?
Mar 07 21:27:30 <t_s_o> hmm, that iphone sdk seems to have some nasty limitations...
Mar 07 21:27:40 <fysa> when you play, or just run?
Mar 07 21:27:55 <KotCzarny> dsp_protocol_open_node(): Could not open pcm device file /dev/dsptask/pcm3
Mar 07 21:28:05 <KotCzarny> that's when i test it with mplayer
Mar 07 21:28:20 <KotCzarny> dsp_protocol_open_node(): Could not open pcm device file /dev/dsptask/pcm3
Mar 07 21:28:20 <KotCzarny> Fatal signal: Segmentation Fault (SDL Parachute Deployed)
Mar 07 21:28:20 <KotCzarny> Segmentation fault
Mar 07 21:28:26 <KotCzarny> and that's with uae4all
Mar 07 21:30:21 <fysa> alsa-oss_1.0.14-1.tar.gz
Mar 07 21:30:21 <fysa>  is what I built
Mar 07 21:30:33 <fysa> running the "aoss" command returns fine, but I haven't tried playing anything.
Mar 07 21:30:43 <KotCzarny> aoss is a simple script
Mar 07 21:30:49 <KotCzarny> that uses ld_preload
Mar 07 21:30:57 <KotCzarny> so it doesn't do anything
Mar 07 21:31:02 <KotCzarny> without a param
Mar 07 21:31:17 <KotCzarny> i tested .14 and .15
Mar 07 21:31:24 <KotCzarny> both fail in the same way
Mar 07 21:31:40 <fysa> do you have /dev/dsp*?
Mar 07 21:31:44 <KotCzarny> nope
Mar 07 21:31:53 <KotCzarny> kernel alsa driver doesn't do pcm
Mar 07 21:32:00 <KotCzarny> only mixer and some controls
Mar 07 21:32:05 <fysa> ah
Mar 07 21:32:25 <fysa> that could be why I have /dev/dsp1 on scratchbox and couldn't get it to come up on the device.
Mar 07 21:32:37 <KotCzarny> that's why snd_pcm_oss doesn't work too
Mar 07 21:32:59 <fysa> you think a kernel with working alsa would help?
Mar 07 21:33:03 <KotCzarny> yes
Mar 07 21:33:05 <KotCzarny> definitely
Mar 07 21:33:37 <fysa> someone had a replacement kernel building with smb/nfs, maybe we can get them to configure alsa and rebuild. ;)
Mar 07 21:33:48 <KotCzarny> hmm?
Mar 07 21:34:04 <KotCzarny> no, unless you have alternative driver at hand
Mar 07 21:34:16 <KotCzarny> the one from kernel source doesn't do pcm
Mar 07 21:34:21 <KotCzarny> only some magic
Mar 07 21:34:35 <fysa> someone built a custom kernel with proper smb/fuse
Mar 07 21:34:44 <KotCzarny> yes, it's not a problem
Mar 07 21:34:52 <fysa> but packaging anything like that isn't going to fly unfortunately
Mar 07 21:34:54 <KotCzarny> i run my custom kernel too
Mar 07 21:35:04 <KotCzarny> you can package kernel module
Mar 07 21:35:07 <KotCzarny> in a deb
Mar 07 21:35:14 <fysa> I suppose..
Mar 07 21:35:28 <fysa> that would work.
Mar 07 21:35:33 <KotCzarny> as long as you include kernel version as a req
Mar 07 21:35:38 <KotCzarny> but still
Mar 07 21:35:43 <KotCzarny> you need a working driver
Mar 07 21:35:44 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 07 21:36:01 <KotCzarny> i have heard about esound-oss
Mar 07 21:36:09 <KotCzarny> but it looks abandoned/missing
Mar 07 21:36:21 <KotCzarny> ie. i can't find it anymore
Mar 07 21:37:05 <KotCzarny> if someone has porting oss app to alsa howto it would be great
Mar 07 21:37:05 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 07 21:43:40 <h3sp4wn> Be nicer to just get OSS 4 working on arm
Mar 07 21:44:17 <KotCzarny> this or either way
Mar 07 21:44:23 <KotCzarny> as  long it works
Mar 07 21:59:00 <KotCzarny> hhmm
Mar 07 21:59:08 <KotCzarny> i wonder how mplayer -ao alsa works
Mar 07 22:07:31 <pupnik> http://www.briggsmedia.com/mpeg/movies/stream/kaos/kaos-030708.mp3  today's Scott Horton show
Mar 07 22:13:47 <koshi> Has anyone found a good travel type(ie small) keyboard to use with n8x0?
Mar 07 22:14:41 <koshi> By small I mean a full size one, but one you can collapse or roll up? But one that is actually worth it?
Mar 07 22:15:05 <KotCzarny> koshi: stowaways are foldable
Mar 07 22:16:25 <koshi> Oh, and blue tooth actually connects easily with it?
Mar 07 22:16:33 <KotCzarny> yes i guess
Mar 07 22:16:47 <KotCzarny> at least people from this channel told me that
Mar 07 22:16:58 <KotCzarny> i'm planning getting bt kb too
Mar 07 22:17:44 <koshi> Ahh I see, my experience with bluetooth is that it just does't work. My phone so famanaged to connect to only two devices ever, and one of them was n8x0 <_<
Mar 07 22:17:57 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 07 22:18:24 <KotCzarny> knowledge of low level bt commands can help
Mar 07 22:20:05 <koshi> Hmmh, a lot of function keys on that one... Wonder if I can find it in local shops. Tried google searching before for something useful, but they are either not full size or just rubbish...
Mar 07 22:20:55 <KotCzarny> IT WORKS!!!
Mar 07 22:20:59 <KotCzarny> esddsp :>
Mar 07 22:21:10 <KotCzarny> let's see framerate then..
Mar 07 22:22:10 <pupnik> what
Mar 07 22:22:15 <KotCzarny> ladies and gentelmen.. i see working uae emu
Mar 07 22:22:23 <pupnik> nice :)
Mar 07 22:22:24 <KotCzarny> with full screen, fast frame rate and sound
Mar 07 22:22:25 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 07 22:22:27 * pupnik bows to KotCzarny 
Mar 07 22:22:46 <KotCzarny> 'gentlemen'
Mar 07 22:22:59 <KotCzarny> also it resolves oss apps problem
Mar 07 22:23:00 <KotCzarny> :>
Mar 07 22:23:05 <pupnik> what what what
Mar 07 22:23:07 <KotCzarny> esddsp
Mar 07 22:23:12 <pupnik> fuck you
Mar 07 22:23:20 <pupnik> i tried getting esddsp working for many days
Mar 07 22:23:24 <pupnik> you say it works?
Mar 07 22:23:27 <KotCzarny> yes
Mar 07 22:23:30 <KotCzarny> at first try
Mar 07 22:23:42 <pupnik> hmm.  well ... good
Mar 07 22:23:46 <KotCzarny> starting sound thread..
Mar 07 22:23:46 <KotCzarny> gp2x_set_sound: 44100/16bit/mono, 32 buffers of 4096 bytes
Mar 07 22:23:46 <KotCzarny> sound_thread started
Mar 07 22:23:49 <KotCzarny> ;)
Mar 07 22:24:09 <KotCzarny> esddsp --mmap ./uae4all
Mar 07 22:24:21 <pupnik> ah?
Mar 07 22:24:21 <KotCzarny> though i don't know if --mmap is needed
Mar 07 22:24:27 <KotCzarny> let's try without
Mar 07 22:25:07 <KotCzarny> yup
Mar 07 22:25:11 <KotCzarny> works without too
Mar 07 22:25:36 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 07 22:27:02 <pupnik> that's great news, but i hate you
Mar 07 22:27:09 <KotCzarny> :>
Mar 07 22:27:39 <KotCzarny> i didn't do anything special
Mar 07 22:27:46 <KotCzarny> just compiled it and copied to n800
Mar 07 22:28:42 <KotCzarny> now, let's back to hacking uae
Mar 07 22:28:49 <KotCzarny> *get
Mar 07 22:28:55 <pupnik> i think you're bullshitting
Mar 07 22:29:02 <KotCzarny> wanna binaries?
Mar 07 22:29:18 <pupnik> sure. show me
Mar 07 22:29:22 <KotCzarny> moment
Mar 07 22:34:05 <KotCzarny> mrrau.dyndns.org:232800/n800/uae.tar.gz
Mar 07 22:34:33 <pupnik> thanks
Mar 07 22:34:59 <pupnik> still connecting
Mar 07 22:35:05 <KotCzarny> erm
Mar 07 22:35:07 <KotCzarny> wrong port
Mar 07 22:35:08 <KotCzarny> 23280
Mar 07 22:35:09 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 07 22:36:05 <pupnik> great stuff - the gp2x world is a goldmine for ARM
Mar 07 22:36:09 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 07 22:36:18 <pupnik> and that was fast work
Mar 07 22:36:23 <KotCzarny> i could use a ps1 emu
Mar 07 22:36:24 <KotCzarny> :>
Mar 07 22:36:44 <pupnik> i have a 1/2 way ported nes emu
Mar 07 22:36:49 <pupnik> from gp2x
Mar 07 22:36:50 <KotCzarny> but it will be harder on cpu than ami
Mar 07 22:37:16 <KotCzarny> nah, i have amiga/ps1 only sentiments
Mar 07 22:37:24 <pupnik> ok
Mar 07 22:37:37 <KotCzarny> btw. tapping screen is left mb
Mar 07 22:37:52 <KotCzarny> i don't know what's joystick mapped to
Mar 07 22:38:07 <KotCzarny> but should get you at least to title screens etc.
Mar 07 22:39:03 <pupnik> i will get back to you about gp2x projects then
Mar 07 22:39:08 <KotCzarny> :>
Mar 07 22:39:10 <pupnik> need to look at this first
Mar 07 22:39:20 <KotCzarny> i'm hacking it now
Mar 07 22:39:32 <KotCzarny> keymappings
Mar 07 22:40:15 <KotCzarny> btw. i have my kernel locked at 400/133
Mar 07 22:43:13 <pupnik> well we can talk later - i ahve to sleep now
Mar 07 22:43:18 <KotCzarny> ok
Mar 07 22:43:50 <spirytusick> 'lo all :)
Mar 07 22:43:51 <KotCzarny> spirytusik: :)
Mar 07 22:44:02 <KotCzarny> wanna uae + sound + working mouse?
Mar 07 22:44:04 <spirytusick> KotCzarny: hey :)
Mar 07 22:44:04 <KotCzarny> ;)
Mar 07 22:44:10 <spirytusick> KotCzarny: Yes!
Mar 07 22:44:14 <spirytusick> KotCzarny: Please :)
Mar 07 22:44:26 <KotCzarny> mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/uae.tar.gz
Mar 07 22:44:35 <KotCzarny> needs keys mapped properly for nokia
Mar 07 22:44:44 <KotCzarny> but as a teaser you can try it now :)
Mar 07 22:45:05 <spirytusick> wget dump in progress :)
Mar 07 22:45:07 <spirytusick> ql!
Mar 07 22:45:30 <spirytusick> I've got a copy or arte somwhere on the tablet :)
Mar 07 22:45:59 <KotCzarny> i've tested it with superfrog and workbench
Mar 07 22:47:48 <spirytusick> just following readme :)
Mar 07 22:52:09 <KotCzarny> spirytusik: feedback is welcome :)
Mar 07 22:59:12 <spirytusick> KotCzarny: Speed is superb!!
Mar 07 22:59:18 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 07 22:59:21 <KotCzarny> yeah
Mar 07 22:59:25 <spirytusick> KotCzarny: but the sound does not work for me :(((
Mar 07 22:59:28 <KotCzarny> no?
Mar 07 22:59:43 <KotCzarny> what model do you have?
Mar 07 23:00:00 <spirytusick> n800
Mar 07 23:00:03 <spirytusick> esd is running
Mar 07 23:00:04 <KotCzarny> same here
Mar 07 23:00:07 <spirytusick> os2008
Mar 07 23:00:16 <spirytusick> stock libraries
Mar 07 23:00:16 <KotCzarny> what are the startup messages?
Mar 07 23:00:27 <KotCzarny> pastebin.com
Mar 07 23:00:27 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 07 23:00:31 <spirytusick> what is the floor treeshold here ?
Mar 07 23:00:41 <KotCzarny> use pastebin.com
Mar 07 23:01:27 <spirytusick> done
Mar 07 23:01:33 <KotCzarny> but paste me the link
Mar 07 23:01:38 <KotCzarny> it's not my site :)
Mar 07 23:01:49 <spirytusick> http://pastebin.com/m3bc69f24
Mar 07 23:02:02 <KotCzarny> hmm
Mar 07 23:02:06 <spirytusick> never used it before... very usefull gizmo
Mar 07 23:02:08 <KotCzarny> maybe your sound is low?
Mar 07 23:02:10 <KotCzarny> or muted?
Mar 07 23:02:12 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 07 23:02:18 <spirytusick> nope :) I did
Mar 07 23:02:22 <KotCzarny> weird
Mar 07 23:02:26 <spirytusick> I did all "
Mar 07 23:02:27 <KotCzarny> it looks like it worked
Mar 07 23:02:34 <spirytusick> I did all "I am an idiot checks"
Mar 07 23:02:46 <KotCzarny> mplayer -ao esd -ac mad some.mp3 ?
Mar 07 23:02:50 <KotCzarny> just to be sure
Mar 07 23:02:51 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 07 23:04:01 <spirytusick> weird
Mar 07 23:04:05 <KotCzarny> mm?
Mar 07 23:04:22 <spirytusick> the sound was not muted and the volume slider was at max but it was extremely silent
Mar 07 23:04:29 <KotCzarny> yes
Mar 07 23:04:34 <spirytusick> when I acceses sound settings it went back to normal
Mar 07 23:04:35 <KotCzarny> there are two controls
Mar 07 23:04:38 <KotCzarny> pcm and main
Mar 07 23:04:39 <KotCzarny> i guess
Mar 07 23:04:47 <KotCzarny> but sound works now?
Mar 07 23:04:47 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 07 23:04:50 <spirytusick> but no advanced mixer to use though
Mar 07 23:04:52 <spirytusick> will test
Mar 07 23:04:58 <spirytusick> wait a sec, loading unreal
Mar 07 23:05:02 <KotCzarny> o.O
Mar 07 23:05:06 <KotCzarny> on ami?
Mar 07 23:08:42 <spirytusick> yep
Mar 07 23:08:48 <spirytusick> not the demo :) game :)
Mar 07 23:08:53 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 07 23:09:21 <spirytusick> ok: sound works but is muted on the edge of being silence, I need to hold the tablet next to my ears to be able to hear a whisper
Mar 07 23:09:28 <KotCzarny> hmm
Mar 07 23:09:30 <KotCzarny> weird
Mar 07 23:09:41 <KotCzarny> may be internal mixer in uae4all
Mar 07 23:09:50 <spirytusick> extremely
Mar 07 23:09:51 <KotCzarny> try another game?
Mar 07 23:09:59 <KotCzarny> superfrog worked fine for me
Mar 07 23:12:39 <KotCzarny> ah, yes
Mar 07 23:12:42 <KotCzarny> it's quiet
Mar 07 23:12:45 <KotCzarny> let's hack.
Mar 07 23:13:23 <spirytusick> haven't got superfrog handy
Mar 07 23:13:26 <spirytusick> wingsofdeath crashed
Mar 07 23:13:42 <KotCzarny> that's a bad news
Mar 07 23:13:55 <spirytusick> i will try and compile cmix for the tablet, perhaps I will be able to raise the volume from console
Mar 07 23:14:10 <KotCzarny> i think i have seen vol=50 in the sources
Mar 07 23:14:27 <spirytusick> KotCzarny: wingsofdeath should work in the original version as I only had an aga fix release handy
Mar 07 23:18:19 <spirytusick> KotCzarny: Regardles, congratulations!! speedy amiga emulation and a port from gp2x -- opens up a window for porting more emus :)
Mar 07 23:18:23 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 07 23:18:32 <KotCzarny> i haven't ported it
Mar 07 23:18:37 <KotCzarny> it compiled out of the box
Mar 07 23:18:38 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 07 23:18:46 <spirytusick> you're joking ? :)
Mar 07 23:18:49 <KotCzarny> nope
Mar 07 23:18:52 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 07 23:19:03 <KotCzarny> i can give you sources if you want
Mar 07 23:19:07 <KotCzarny> and see for yourself
Mar 07 23:19:09 * spirytusick sprints into a wall :)
Mar 07 23:19:29 <spirytusick> KotCzarny: may i ?
Mar 07 23:19:35 <KotCzarny> sure
Mar 07 23:19:36 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 07 23:19:53 <spirytusick> is it autotools based ?
Mar 07 23:20:02 <KotCzarny> nope
Mar 07 23:20:05 <KotCzarny> just a makefile
Mar 07 23:20:11 <spirytusick> simple :)
Mar 07 23:20:27 <KotCzarny> mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/uae/
Mar 07 23:21:08 <KotCzarny> and compilation flags are for n770
Mar 07 23:21:28 <KotCzarny> i guess it can be compiled for n8x0 and be a little faster too
Mar 07 23:21:29 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 07 23:22:49 <spirytusick> ok. will do some digiin :)
Mar 07 23:23:28 <KotCzarny> if you want pixel doubling get my gp2x.cpp too
Mar 07 23:23:31 <spirytusick> cyclone core compiled out of the box :) superb :)
Mar 07 23:23:59 <spirytusick> only see the sources and your uae binaries + makefile
Mar 07 23:24:14 <KotCzarny> refresh
Mar 07 23:27:14 <spirytusick> ql, thank you!
Mar 07 23:27:17 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 07 23:27:21 <KotCzarny> don't thank me
Mar 07 23:27:35 <KotCzarny> i'm not the author :)
Mar 07 23:28:29 <KotCzarny> btw. soundvolume is in gp2x.cpp too
Mar 07 23:30:15 <KotCzarny> battery empty
Mar 07 23:30:16 <KotCzarny> oops
Mar 07 23:36:43 <spirytusick> ql, will check this out when my wife goes to sleep :)
Mar 07 23:37:27 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 07 23:39:47 <spirytusick> there are some weird problems with some screenmodes,
Mar 07 23:39:51 <KotCzarny> hmm?
Mar 07 23:39:59 <KotCzarny> game?
Mar 07 23:40:21 <spirytusick> walker, unreal
Mar 07 23:40:25 <spirytusick> this two for sure
Mar 07 23:41:25 <spirytusick> i took a screenshot
Mar 07 23:41:35 <spirytusick> wait a sec will upload
Mar 07 23:42:04 <spirytusick> it might be HAM
Mar 07 23:42:15 <spirytusick> or EHB
Mar 07 23:42:33 <Deformative> Can I get file transfer setup with my nokia to my phone?
Mar 07 23:42:50 <Deformative> Also, could I get my nokia to play music on my bluetooth headset?
Mar 07 23:43:03 <spirytusick> Deformative: on os2008 it works over bluetooth, providing the phone and tablet are authorised to access each other
Mar 07 23:43:24 <spirytusick> on os2008 bt headset works but the quality of the sound is very poor
Mar 07 23:43:35 <KotCzarny> spirytusik: i think uae fiddles with the mixer
Mar 07 23:43:41 <KotCzarny> let's hack
Mar 07 23:43:42 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 07 23:44:11 <KotCzarny> yup. in init
Mar 07 23:44:48 <spirytusick> KotCzarny: http://spirytusick.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/walker.png
Mar 07 23:45:08 <KotCzarny> yup
Mar 07 23:45:11 <KotCzarny> looks like ehb
Mar 07 23:45:36 <spirytusick> but that's probably gp2x uae ver specific
Mar 07 23:45:53 <KotCzarny> yess.
Mar 07 23:45:57 <KotCzarny> now that's loud
Mar 07 23:45:58 <KotCzarny> ;)
Mar 07 23:46:44 <Deformative> spirytusick: I am on os2006
Mar 07 23:47:44 <KotCzarny> spirytusik: wanna updated binary/source?
Mar 07 23:47:45 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 07 23:47:58 <spirytusick> ok, refresh :)
Mar 07 23:48:13 <KotCzarny> ok
Mar 07 23:48:13 <KotCzarny> now
Mar 07 23:48:14 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 07 23:51:53 <Deformative> Hmm, seems to suck.
Mar 07 23:51:55 <spirytusick> testing
Mar 07 23:52:02 <Deformative> I connected and disabled dun, yet it says it is enabled.
Mar 07 23:52:08 <spirytusick> Deformative: I do not know anything about os2006
Mar 07 23:52:11 <Deformative> And there is not really a way to get into file transfer fromt he phone.
Mar 07 23:53:17 <Deformative> Oh file transfer works from the file browser.
Mar 07 23:53:23 <Deformative> But it does not work from the phone to teh nokia.
Mar 07 23:56:04 * KotCzarny recompiles with n800 specific cflags
Mar 07 23:58:27 <KotCzarny> spirytusik: nie jestem zarejestrowany
Mar 07 23:58:32 <KotCzarny> jak cos to #kotc
Mar 07 23:58:33 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 07 23:59:32 <KotCzarny> wrzucilem jak cos
Mar 07 23:59:50 <KotCzarny> uae4all.gz
Mar 07 23:59:50 <spirytusick> KotCzarny: spox :) dzieki :) a przy okazji dzwiek dziala juz :) glosno :)
Mar 08 00:00:08 <KotCzarny> nie tar
Mar 08 00:00:08 <KotCzarny> ;)
Mar 08 00:01:28 <KotCzarny> seems faster
Mar 08 00:01:29 <KotCzarny> :>
Mar 08 00:01:47 <KotCzarny> or maybe not that much
Mar 08 00:01:48 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 08 00:02:03 <KotCzarny> i have to make dpad working as a joy
Mar 08 00:02:10 <KotCzarny> and map other keys
Mar 08 00:02:26 <spirytusick> KotCzarny: feels faster, not much but noticeable :)
Mar 08 00:02:37 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 08 00:02:42 <KotCzarny> but only fps test will tell
Mar 08 00:02:58 * ccooke wonders...
Mar 08 00:03:16 <KotCzarny> would be great to use pcmtask directly..
Mar 08 00:03:17 <ccooke> Is there any way to get os2008 to open an internet radio stream at a particular time...
Mar 08 00:03:22 <spirytusick> KotCzarny: I suppose some games should be playable, lemmings for sure, as soon as the mouse is calibrated :)
Mar 08 00:03:24 <KotCzarny> esd incurs some overhead
Mar 08 00:03:30 <ccooke> basically, an internet radio alarm clock :-)
Mar 08 00:04:16 <spirytusick> KotCzarny: yep + the hildon part which gp2x does not have to worry about too much
Mar 08 00:04:35 <KotCzarny> i think it already used sdl_hw
Mar 08 00:04:39 <KotCzarny> to render faster
Mar 08 00:04:56 <KotCzarny> do you know if n800 have mmu?
Mar 08 00:05:19 <spirytusick> KotCzarny: I suppose it has to have for the effictive swap management ?
Mar 08 00:05:30 <spirytusick> KotCzarny: I know it can be done in software but it's not very effective
Mar 08 00:05:50 <KotCzarny> my nokia seems warm
Mar 08 00:05:51 <KotCzarny> ;)
Mar 08 00:05:52 <Jaffa> Interesting. According to the iPhone SDK HIG doc at http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/07/iphone-sdk-some-of-the-details-arent-great/ every iPhone app has a "launcher screen" configured which is displayed by the OS to increase the perceived speed of loading
Mar 08 00:07:14 <sp3000> perception is everything ;)
Mar 08 00:07:32 <KotCzarny> yeah.. look ma'.. shiniess..
Mar 08 00:13:54 <spirytusick> ok guys!! time to hit the showers.. see you tommorow
Mar 08 00:13:58 <KotCzarny> go go
Mar 08 00:13:59 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 08 00:14:00 <spirytusick> KotCzarny: 3m sie :) milego weekendu :)
Mar 08 00:14:14 <KotCzarny> spox
Mar 08 00:14:15 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 08 00:14:35 <Jaffa> sp3000: I think it's a clever idea; better than just a spinning "Web loading"
Mar 08 00:15:32 <sp3000> you mean "You're waiting"
Mar 08 00:15:51 <sp3000> ;)
Mar 08 00:17:23 <leandroal>  /j #octave
Mar 08 00:17:27 <leandroal> ops!
Mar 08 00:33:40 <KotCzarny> hi texel
Mar 08 00:33:41 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 08 00:33:46 <texel> Heya.
Mar 08 00:33:52 * texel is preparing for a quick weekend stent in SFO.
Mar 08 00:33:54 * KotCzarny has fast uae
Mar 08 00:33:55 <KotCzarny> :>
Mar 08 00:33:57 <texel> Woo! =o)
Mar 08 00:34:01 <texel> That's freaking awesome! =o0
Mar 08 00:34:04 <KotCzarny> yup
Mar 08 00:34:09 <KotCzarny> with sound and mouse too
Mar 08 00:34:10 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 08 00:34:13 <texel> Awesome. =o)
Mar 08 00:34:15 <KotCzarny> yup
Mar 08 00:34:16 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 08 00:34:18 <texel> Hildonized yet? =O)
Mar 08 00:34:28 <KotCzarny> what for?
Mar 08 00:34:28 <KotCzarny> :>
Mar 08 00:34:31 <KotCzarny> has own gui
Mar 08 00:34:32 <jott> hm well mouse has the usual problem :P
Mar 08 00:34:35 <KotCzarny> and is fullscreen
Mar 08 00:34:36 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 08 00:34:57 <texel> Ahh. Well, if it's fullscreen... =o)
Mar 08 00:34:59 <KotCzarny> and eats through battery like mad
Mar 08 00:35:00 <KotCzarny> ;)
Mar 08 00:35:43 <KotCzarny> btw. do you know preferable gcc flags for n800/
Mar 08 00:35:43 <texel> I only ask for Hildonization so you don't end up with the "hidden window" effect when you switch to another task.
Mar 08 00:35:47 <KotCzarny> i made it behave i guess
Mar 08 00:35:56 <KotCzarny> added x11app variable
Mar 08 00:35:59 <KotCzarny> or something
Mar 08 00:36:11 <jott> i wonder if there is an amiga-side solution for the mouse .. :/
Mar 08 00:36:23 <KotCzarny> jott: nope, only hacks
Mar 08 00:36:30 <texel> So it shows up in the task list?
Mar 08 00:36:32 <KotCzarny> like writing directly to ami ram current mouse pos
Mar 08 00:36:37 <KotCzarny> texel: i can't check
Mar 08 00:36:50 <KotCzarny> because i don't know how to get back to hildon
Mar 08 00:36:51 <KotCzarny> :>
Mar 08 00:36:57 <KotCzarny> other than quitting of course
Mar 08 00:37:00 * jott wants to play lemmings :/
Mar 08 00:37:05 <KotCzarny> jott: wanna?
Mar 08 00:37:08 <jott> runs quite nice :)
Mar 08 00:37:17 <jott> but mouse is unusable atm
Mar 08 00:37:23 <KotCzarny> jott: it is usable
Mar 08 00:37:24 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 08 00:37:29 <texel> KotCzarny: Hmm... Press the task button?
Mar 08 00:37:30 <jott> how? :)
Mar 08 00:37:37 <KotCzarny> texel: no bonus
Mar 08 00:37:39 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 08 00:37:42 <texel> Eh?
Mar 08 00:37:46 <texel> As in, I fail? =op
Mar 08 00:37:48 <KotCzarny> i think it overrides hildon
Mar 08 00:37:52 <texel> Ahh.
Mar 08 00:37:59 <KotCzarny> total fullscreen
Mar 08 00:38:01 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 08 00:38:07 <texel> Crazy. =o)
Mar 08 00:38:09 <texel> But awesome. =o)
Mar 08 00:38:21 <texel> well, frack.
Mar 08 00:38:27 <texel> Stupid FF3 won't print worth a damn.
Mar 08 00:38:38 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 08 00:38:57 <texel> I keep trying to print my tickets, but unfortunately it keeps dumping out blank paper. O.o
Mar 08 00:39:04 <jott> KotCzarny: do you have any pointer for fixing the mouse?
Mar 08 00:39:13 <KotCzarny> texel: convert to ps/pdf ? :)
Mar 08 00:39:25 <KotCzarny> jott: it's fixed in uae4all version i have found
Mar 08 00:39:26 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 08 00:39:39 <texel> KotCzarny: tried that -- FF's print engine is completely busted.
Mar 08 00:39:44 <texel> Even PS/PDF output is screwed.
Mar 08 00:40:00 <KotCzarny> texel: huh, wget + any2ps ?
Mar 08 00:40:02 <jott> KotCzarny: not really :P
Mar 08 00:40:08 <KotCzarny> jott: have you tried it?
Mar 08 00:40:14 <jott> running it yeah..
Mar 08 00:40:20 <texel> Eh. I just saved the page as an HTML collection and reopened in Safari.
Mar 08 00:40:20 <KotCzarny> hmm
Mar 08 00:40:24 <KotCzarny> let me get my lemmings
Mar 08 00:40:27 <jott> i had to replace kick.rom for lemmings to start
Mar 08 00:40:32 <texel> "Let's go!"
Mar 08 00:40:33 <jott> is there a hack in kick.rom?!
Mar 08 00:40:34 <KotCzarny> erm
Mar 08 00:40:36 <KotCzarny> jott
Mar 08 00:40:43 <KotCzarny> replace kick.rom with a rom
Mar 08 00:40:51 <KotCzarny> load adf as usual in gui
Mar 08 00:40:52 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 08 00:41:08 <jott> yeah.. lemmings started fine and is super smooth
Mar 08 00:41:15 <texel> Hehe
Mar 08 00:41:15 <jott> but the mouse is still relative..
Mar 08 00:41:23 <texel> Yeah, kick.rom is always the tricky part.
Mar 08 00:41:27 <jott> hence it's unusable..
Mar 08 00:41:33 <KotCzarny> jott: fixable i guess
Mar 08 00:41:34 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 08 00:41:44 <KotCzarny> it's a little off
Mar 08 00:41:45 <KotCzarny> but works
Mar 08 00:41:46 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 08 00:42:01 <KotCzarny> it's off because i have turned pixel doubling on
Mar 08 00:42:13 <KotCzarny> and didn't updated mouse algo yet (i guess)
Mar 08 00:43:15 <KotCzarny> huh
Mar 08 00:43:46 <jott> KotCzarny: does the mouse work for you? (i.e. absolute)
Mar 08 00:43:55 <KotCzarny> yes i guess
Mar 08 00:44:03 <KotCzarny> i have tried to move windows in wb
Mar 08 00:44:12 <KotCzarny> but let me check
Mar 08 00:44:25 <KotCzarny> (it's off because i have turned pixel doubling on and didn't updated mouse algo yet (i guess))
Mar 08 00:45:35 <KotCzarny> expansion ram detected and utilized
Mar 08 00:45:36 <KotCzarny> lol
Mar 08 00:46:51 <KotCzarny> texel: teaser: mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/uae/
Mar 08 00:48:41 <texel> Hehe
Mar 08 00:48:56 <texel> Nice.
Mar 08 00:49:17 <KotCzarny> uae.tar.gz is containing esddsp
Mar 08 00:49:25 <KotCzarny> oss->esd wrapper
Mar 08 00:49:26 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 08 00:54:30 * Jaffa had the same problem with the relative mouse in his quick 'n' dirty ArcEm port
Mar 08 00:54:50 <KotCzarny> relative mouse is ease (i guess)
Mar 08 00:54:58 <jott> dosbox has the same problem
Mar 08 00:55:06 <KotCzarny> as long as you can get mx/my from emu
Mar 08 00:57:29 <jott> mh i suppose games might use a custom mouse handler?
Mar 08 00:57:59 <KotCzarny> uae just writes to some hardwired address in emu ram
Mar 08 01:05:01 <Deformative> Bluetooth is pretty damn cool.
Mar 08 01:05:09 <KotCzarny> works, sometimes
Mar 08 01:05:10 <Deformative> Easiest way to get images off the phone.
Mar 08 01:05:12 <KotCzarny> slow as hell
Mar 08 01:05:18 <KotCzarny> nope, sshfs is easier
Mar 08 01:05:28 <Deformative> MY PHONE.
Mar 08 01:05:36 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 08 01:05:51 <jott> a phone without sshd is not a real phone :P
Mar 08 01:06:14 <Deformative> It is a free phone.
Mar 08 01:06:27 <KotCzarny> there's no such thing as free
Mar 08 01:06:43 <Deformative> An included phone.
Mar 08 01:07:23 <Deformative> (And what about the public domain?)
Mar 08 01:07:45 <elb> I'm not sure how "sshfs" is "easier" than "bluetooth"
Mar 08 01:08:01 <elb> that's like saying the highway is easier than a motorcycle
Mar 08 01:08:20 <elb> or, more appropriately, a motorcycle is easier than the highway
Mar 08 01:08:25 <KotCzarny> have you tried setting up bt?
Mar 08 01:08:26 <KotCzarny> :>
Mar 08 01:08:56 <Deformative> All I had to do was "scan for bluetooth devices"
Mar 08 01:09:00 <Deformative> That was about it.
Mar 08 01:09:20 <elb> maybe you mean something different from "bluetooth" when you say "bluetooth"
Mar 08 01:09:36 <elb> perhaps you mean OBEX file transfer, KotCzarny ?
Mar 08 01:09:57 <KotCzarny> and what he meant then?
Mar 08 01:09:58 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 08 01:10:19 <elb> I don't know
Mar 08 01:10:21 <KotCzarny> ;
Mar 08 01:10:21 <KotCzarny> )
Mar 08 01:10:38 <elb> but note that OBEX is not nearly as painful on other platforms as it is on Linux
Mar 08 01:10:45 <elb> which has royally craptastic OBEX support
Mar 08 01:10:52 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 08 01:12:55 * Jaffa is constantly impressed with OBEX on ITOS. Trying to script my XP laptop to send stuff over OBEX to my phone or tablet is impossible
Mar 08 01:53:40 <KotCzarny>         write_log ("Keyboard buffer overrun. Congratulations.\n");
Mar 08 01:53:41 <KotCzarny> lol
Mar 08 01:53:51 <johnx> ahahaha
Mar 08 01:53:54 <johnx> that's awesome
Mar 08 01:54:01 <KotCzarny> kind of
Mar 08 01:54:02 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 08 01:54:20 <KotCzarny> johnx: have you seen uae i have found?
Mar 08 01:54:21 <KotCzarny> :>
Mar 08 01:54:36 <lcuk_2> writeln("press any key to continue\n"); ;)
Mar 08 01:54:42 <KotCzarny>  /* n800 keys: tdrlx 273 274 275 276 13  L^ 27  menu 285  home 286  fs + - 287 288 289 */
Mar 08 01:54:50 <KotCzarny> this is sdl
Mar 08 01:55:00 <KotCzarny> i mean key codes sdl sees
Mar 08 01:55:06 <johnx> mm
Mar 08 01:55:10 <KotCzarny> may be usefull
Mar 08 01:56:56 <KotCzarny> i wonder if hw keys are a tiny kb or just hardwired bangs
Mar 08 01:57:22 <johnx> I think they are a keyboard...or at least they are as far as Linux cares
Mar 08 01:57:34 <johnx> they work in the console
Mar 08 01:57:39 <KotCzarny> hum
Mar 08 01:58:00 <KotCzarny> so there's a possibility for external ps2 port?
Mar 08 01:58:01 <KotCzarny> ;)
Mar 08 01:58:17 <johnx> yeah, over usb :P
Mar 08 01:58:27 <KotCzarny> that would be usb port :P
Mar 08 01:59:07 <johnx> with a usb->ps2 converter...
Mar 08 01:59:20 <KotCzarny> and a usb->usb converter
Mar 08 01:59:23 <KotCzarny> *grin*
Mar 08 01:59:48 <johnx> heh...my setup is actually *more* complicated :/
Mar 08 02:08:13 <dospod> suup
Mar 08 02:12:43 <dospod> anybody
Mar 08 02:12:57 <dospod> know about the youtube plugin
Mar 08 02:13:01 <dospod> ???
Mar 08 02:21:00 <lcuk_2> plugin?
Mar 08 02:21:05 <KotCzarny> flash
Mar 08 02:21:07 <KotCzarny> maybe
Mar 08 02:21:08 <lcuk_2> as in browser addin or the program
Mar 08 02:21:08 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 08 02:21:35 <dospod> its for canola
Mar 08 02:21:54 <lcuk_2> ahhh dont use it - dont liek the flicker
Mar 08 02:22:03 <dospod> they have a vid of it somewhere but no rrlease yet
Mar 08 02:22:40 <johnx> dospod, I thought I heard that it would be soon
Mar 08 02:22:43 <dospod> canola beta 5 sux on scanning music
Mar 08 02:23:03 <dospod> it was supposed to be last friday or today i thought
Mar 08 02:25:34 <johnx> "sux" on scanning music? it works fine here...
Mar 08 02:26:38 <jott> does it support collections (soundtracks etc.) now?
Mar 08 02:27:07 <dospod> it has picked up 7 out of 200 songs
Mar 08 02:27:20 <KotCzarny> medialibrary sucks.
Mar 08 02:27:21 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 08 02:28:32 <dospod> and its a common bug in fresh beta 5 installations
Mar 08 03:40:41 <KotCzarny> whooo-hoooo!
Mar 08 03:40:46 <KotCzarny> dpad works as joy :)
Mar 08 03:41:00 <dospod> whoooo
Mar 08 03:51:46 <cLin> sanyone use car mounts for their nokia n8x0?
Mar 08 03:51:57 <cLin> besides proclipusa, are there any other recommended companies?
Mar 08 03:53:04 <k-s> dospod: possible one of our changes to lms broke for one of your media
Mar 08 03:53:46 <dospod> i only get my daft punk :/
Mar 08 03:53:58 <k-s> dospod: for speed reasons we default to a big commit_interval, but if it break there, it will loose that amount of tracks (in the worst case)
Mar 08 03:54:21 <k-s> dospod: it would be great if you could identify which specific music trigger the problem
Mar 08 03:54:25 <k-s> dospod: and mail us it
Mar 08 03:54:47 <k-s> dospod: however I changed it a lot today and you should get some speedups even more, and some fixes as well
Mar 08 03:55:00 <k-s> dospod: do you know scratchbox?
Mar 08 03:55:16 <dospod> i know what it is
Mar 08 03:55:35 <k-s> dospod: but do you have the skills to use it?
Mar 08 03:55:45 <dospod> but i dont run linux and i dont have the sdk installed
Mar 08 03:55:55 <k-s> dospod: ah, ok
Mar 08 03:56:05 <k-s> dospod: do you have xterm on your device?
Mar 08 03:56:10 <dospod> nope im a 15 script kiddie with a hacker toy
Mar 08 03:56:25 <dospod> yes i have xterm
Mar 08 03:57:26 <k-s> dospod: you can try to use python-lightmediascanner test.py to do some tests
Mar 08 03:57:34 <k-s> I'll get a pointer to you, just a min...
Mar 08 03:57:53 <dospod> thanks
Mar 08 03:58:08 <KotCzarny> 0x893f93a
Mar 08 03:58:12 <KotCzarny> ^ pointer
Mar 08 03:59:51 <k-s> dospod: http://staff.get-e.org/?p=users/barbieri/python-lightmediascanner.git;a=blob_plain;f=examples/test.py;hb=HEAD
Mar 08 04:00:06 <k-s> dospod: download this file as test.py (or any name you want)
Mar 08 04:01:58 <k-s> dospod: then go to xterm (or ssh) and run: python test.py 1 10000 /home/user/lms-test.db id3 ISO-8859-1 /media/PATH/TO/MUSIC
Mar 08 04:02:31 <dospod> it hasnt even dled yet :/
Mar 08 04:02:45 <k-s> dospod: you can then check with "sqlite3 /home/user/lms-test.db"
Mar 08 04:03:32 <k-s> dospod: it's easier if you can isolate the media in smaller folders and try on them individually, remove the database between runs (rm /home/user/lms-test.db)
Mar 08 04:03:55 <k-s> dospod: gotta run now, but post a bug report or mail me at barbieri at gmail
Mar 08 05:41:37 <christefano> can anyone help me check to see if my N810's GPS is working? I can't seem to get a GPS fix
Mar 08 05:42:27 <pupnik> lay it out in the open, unobstructed by trees or buildings and wait 4 minutes
Mar 08 05:43:29 <christefano> I'm not sure I waited 4 minutes. I'll try that
Mar 08 05:43:47 <KotCzarny> pupnik: i hacked in dpad :>
Mar 08 06:00:35 <pupnik> cool
Mar 08 06:01:00 <KotCzarny> wanna see it?
Mar 08 06:01:01 <KotCzarny> :>
Mar 08 06:01:06 <pupnik> yes
Mar 08 06:01:39 <pupnik> it's faster than stock uae, yes?
Mar 08 06:01:42 <KotCzarny> mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/uae/uae4all.gz
Mar 08 06:01:45 <KotCzarny> i don't know
Mar 08 06:01:50 <KotCzarny> but it's based on cyclone cpu emu
Mar 08 06:01:54 <pupnik> ok i'll tell you
Mar 08 06:01:55 <KotCzarny> so i guess yes
Mar 08 06:01:56 <KotCzarny> :>
Mar 08 06:02:19 <KotCzarny> replace binary from an earlier package with this one
Mar 08 06:02:52 <KotCzarny> mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/uae/readme.txt
Mar 08 06:03:22 <KotCzarny> mouse needs to be fixed
Mar 08 06:03:37 <KotCzarny> but otherwise it's very playable
Mar 08 06:04:15 <KotCzarny> superfrog ran ~10-30fps
Mar 08 06:04:58 <pupnik> i don't have another uae4all install
Mar 08 06:05:09 <pupnik> shall i follow your readme?
Mar 08 06:05:13 <KotCzarny> yes
Mar 08 06:06:20 <pupnik> where do i get lib contents?
Mar 08 06:06:37 <KotCzarny> hum
Mar 08 06:06:39 <KotCzarny> moment
Mar 08 06:06:58 <KotCzarny> refresh
Mar 08 06:07:10 <pupnik> dank u wel
Mar 08 06:07:25 <KotCzarny> danke schon ? ;)
Mar 08 06:09:05 <pupnik> what rom version works?  1.2, 3.0?
Mar 08 06:09:13 <KotCzarny> i ran 1.3
Mar 08 06:09:17 <KotCzarny> but i guess any will do
Mar 08 06:09:35 <KotCzarny> just name or symlink it to kick.rom
Mar 08 06:11:15 <pupnik> i have my own esddsp bin, but i want to use yours
Mar 08 06:11:25 <KotCzarny> esddsp is a script
Mar 08 06:11:33 <KotCzarny> i guess it's the lib that does the work
Mar 08 06:11:40 <pupnik> ok i try it
Mar 08 06:11:53 <pupnik> awesome
Mar 08 06:11:56 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 08 06:12:13 <KotCzarny> works?
Mar 08 06:12:44 <pupnik> yes selecting disk image
Mar 08 06:13:16 <KotCzarny> i have started working #ifdef N8x0 over the code
Mar 08 06:13:19 <pupnik> segfaulted on lemmings
Mar 08 06:13:34 <KotCzarny> what nokia do you have?
Mar 08 06:13:45 <pupnik> n810 os2008
Mar 08 06:13:47 <KotCzarny> hum
Mar 08 06:13:58 <KotCzarny> maybe it's the compile flags
Mar 08 06:14:02 <pupnik> i try with gdb
Mar 08 06:14:13 <dskippy> How do I install gstreamer-tools on maemo os2008? I have it in red pill mode and have enabled the extras packages.
Mar 08 06:14:38 <KotCzarny> dskippy: apt-get install gstreamer-tools
Mar 08 06:14:48 <dskippy> KotCzarny, Doesn't find it.
Mar 08 06:14:56 <pupnik> KotCzarny: is there any sound playing in the uae4all menu?
Mar 08 06:15:09 <dskippy> I'm pretty sure it's gstreamer0.10-tools but I did try both.
Mar 08 06:15:15 <KotCzarny> pupnik: probably, but disabled for now
Mar 08 06:18:43 <pupnik> ok there are no debugging symbols
Mar 08 06:18:54 <KotCzarny> i can recompile
Mar 08 06:20:12 <pupnik> switching to SDL_HWSURFACE... done
Mar 08 06:20:12 <pupnik> rmmod: mmuhack: No such file or directory
Mar 08 06:20:12 <pupnik> insmod: can't open '-f': No such file or directory
Mar 08 06:20:20 <pupnik> Using PAL timing
Mar 08 06:20:21 <pupnik> Fatal signal: Segmentation Fault (SDL Parachute Deployed)
Mar 08 06:20:43 <KotCzarny> mmuhack is a gp2x fallout
Mar 08 06:20:54 <pupnik> yeah it's not important
Mar 08 06:21:01 <pupnik> but i need to see where it's segfaulting
Mar 08 06:21:08 <pupnik> i have kick13.rom renamed to kick.rom
Mar 08 06:23:47 <KotCzarny> ah. btw. show me ls ?
Mar 08 06:24:00 <KotCzarny> i mean ls -lR of the dir you're running from
Mar 08 06:24:04 <KotCzarny> pastebin.com
Mar 08 06:24:06 <KotCzarny> or #kotc
Mar 08 06:24:22 <KotCzarny> it segfaults if data/*bmp are not accessible
Mar 08 06:25:26 <KotCzarny> anyway, uae4all-g.gz
Mar 08 06:25:34 <KotCzarny> same link
Mar 08 06:25:56 <pupnik> http://pastebin.ca/933283
Mar 08 06:26:32 <KotCzarny> and how are you running it ?
Mar 08 06:26:56 <pupnik>  /usr/bin/esddsp ./uae4all
Mar 08 06:28:25 <KotCzarny> hum
Mar 08 06:29:36 <KotCzarny> maybe try running it as root?
Mar 08 06:30:00 <pupnik> Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
Mar 08 06:30:00 <pupnik> [Switching to Thread 1073794048 (LWP 1431)]
Mar 08 06:30:00 <pupnik> unrecognized_callback () at src/m68k/cyclone/m68k_intrf.cpp:231
Mar 08 06:30:00 <pupnik> 231     src/m68k/cyclone/m68k_intrf.cpp: No such file or directory. in src/m68k/cyclone/m68k_intrf.cpp
Mar 08 06:30:16 <pupnik> odd
Mar 08 06:30:44 <pupnik> (gdb) bt
Mar 08 06:30:44 <pupnik> #0  unrecognized_callback () at src/m68k/cyclone/m68k_intrf.cpp:231
Mar 08 06:31:45 <KotCzarny> line 230:    // This is from the dummy Kickstart replacement
Mar 08 06:31:52 <KotCzarny> line 231:    uae_u16 arg = *(uae_u16 *)(pc+2);
Mar 08 06:31:58 <pupnik> maybe i try other rom
Mar 08 06:32:12 <pupnik> lol wtf
Mar 08 06:32:33 <KotCzarny> hmm?
Mar 08 06:34:26 <KotCzarny> btw. source is the original source without my hacks
Mar 08 06:34:32 <pupnik> i try a few disks to load
Mar 08 06:34:33 <pupnik> oh
Mar 08 06:34:33 <pupnik> hehe
Mar 08 07:56:41 <Tobotras> Ivan_Chelubeev: ympo
Mar 08 10:51:26 <LinuxCode> morning ;-D
Mar 08 10:53:09 <jaska_> found out the hard way that nand-test writes to flash even if not in r/w mode :)
Mar 08 10:53:20 <jaska_> good thing i didnt use it on the bootloader partition
Mar 08 10:53:40 <johnx> O_o
Mar 08 10:54:10 <johnx> close call, eh?
Mar 08 10:54:18 <LinuxCode> johnx, use gpe ?
Mar 08 10:54:27 <LinuxCode> if so there are two issues with evolution
Mar 08 10:54:38 <LinuxCode> 1. there are 2 categories
Mar 08 10:54:55 <LinuxCode> 1 a user category and one a to do list category
Mar 08 10:54:58 <LinuxCode> as example
Mar 08 10:55:10 <LinuxCode> only to do categories get synced
Mar 08 10:55:19 <LinuxCode> then gpesynd crashes!
Mar 08 10:55:25 <LinuxCode> when there are odd chars
Mar 08 10:55:27 <johnx> neat
Mar 08 10:55:36 <LinuxCode> specifically in contacts!
Mar 08 10:55:38 <johnx> I keep all my PIM stuff in text files and sync with rsync :)
Mar 08 10:55:42 <LinuxCode> otherwise its awesome
Mar 08 10:55:48 <LinuxCode> ;-}
Mar 08 10:55:55 <LinuxCode> I need to remake my contacts
Mar 08 10:56:06 <LinuxCode> I imported them from a vcf I exported from my old mobile
Mar 08 10:56:13 <LinuxCode> which probably is the issue anyway
Mar 08 10:56:22 <LinuxCode> standards have changed I bet
Mar 08 10:56:32 <johnx> ah...vcf support must be harder than it looks
Mar 08 10:56:42 <johnx> it usually is that way when I don't know about things
Mar 08 10:57:33 <LinuxCode> hehe
Mar 08 10:57:46 <LinuxCode> well thats just how I got my mobile crap out of the phone hehe
Mar 08 10:57:54 <LinuxCode> never managed to sync it
Mar 08 10:58:03 <LinuxCode> although people report it works
Mar 08 10:58:24 <johnx> I didn't manage to get my stuff out of my last phone :/
Mar 08 10:58:55 <johnx> the stupid thing had no interface to the outside world except through GSM and I had no data plan
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