**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Mar 08 10:59:56 2008 Mar 08 11:14:38 * b0unc3 good morning Mar 08 11:27:37 hi Mar 08 11:28:18 Hi Dazgard Mar 08 11:28:29 can i use my n800 to share it's internet connection with on pc using an usb cable please ? Mar 08 11:28:47 yes Mar 08 11:28:53 but you will need special usb cable Mar 08 11:29:09 the n800 is connected to the net throught a wifi AP Mar 08 11:29:11 :( Mar 08 11:29:41 ok. i'm off to bed Mar 08 11:30:01 KotCzarny, what do you mean special usb cable? Mar 08 11:30:21 Dazgard, are you using windows or linux on the pc? Mar 08 11:30:27 linux Mar 08 11:30:47 but i can use windows too, it's installed on some other partition Mar 08 11:31:00 it's easier in linux :) Mar 08 11:31:12 do you already have usb networking setup between the tablet and the linux desktop? Mar 08 11:31:42 no Mar 08 11:31:49 i never did it before Mar 08 11:32:04 alright, then first follow this: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/setting_up_usb_networking.html Mar 08 11:32:19 ok, im going to read this Mar 08 11:32:21 what distro are you using? Debian/ubuntu? Mar 08 11:32:22 thanks Mar 08 11:32:30 ubuntu hardy Mar 08 11:33:05 basically, what you'll need to do is first get usb networking, then you'll need to either build or find the iptables modules for the tablet that support NAT Mar 08 11:33:35 this is of course all in theory since I haven't done it...but it *should* work Mar 08 11:34:13 well, I've setup usb networking, but the internet sharing was the other direction, tablet borrowing inet access from the pc Mar 08 11:34:14 ok, i'm going dig this :) Mar 08 11:34:37 good luck. :) feel free to ask here if you get stuck Mar 08 11:35:12 so the other direction should be fine too, i just need the right kerbel module Mar 08 11:36:49 yeah, I would assume Mar 08 11:37:16 and you'd need to add all the lines about iptables to the *tablet* instead of the *desktop*, the reverse of what that page I linked says Mar 08 11:40:30 heyla... I'm looking for an IRC client for my 810. It looks like xchat should be available, but the site maemo.org links to seems to be lacking any content... any suggestions? Mar 08 11:40:31 it would be cool if you could update that page once it works. Mar 08 11:40:57 denny, google: xchat chinook beta Mar 08 11:41:28 ta Mar 08 11:41:43 hmm...that used to give the repo as the first result O_o Mar 08 11:41:56 s/repo/site/ Mar 08 11:41:56 johnx meant: hmm...that used to give the site as the first result O_o Mar 08 11:42:15 but now it's pushed out of the way by me talking about it in IRC :/ Mar 08 11:42:57 2.8.4 ? Mar 08 11:43:02 yeah Mar 08 11:43:05 rm-fr.net Mar 08 11:43:16 * denny nods Mar 08 11:43:25 guys, i've this error : Mar 08 11:43:28 insmod: cannot insert '/mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/g_ether.ko': Device or resource busy (-1): Device or resource busy Mar 08 11:43:38 are you already plugged into USB? Mar 08 11:43:51 oh, my god, shome on me Mar 08 11:43:52 lol Mar 08 11:43:58 :D Mar 08 11:44:04 for once that message is actually accurate Mar 08 11:44:19 oh hey, where can I get some nice themes for this thing? and will a theme sort out the five-mile-wide scroll bar I seem to currently have? Mar 08 11:45:04 first: there aren't many themes, but some are at downloads.maemo.org, second I don't think any of the current themes adjust scrollbar size Mar 08 11:45:06 I have a site Mar 08 11:45:12 not a repo though Mar 08 11:45:50 the scrollbar is about a cm thick on my screen - is that normal? it seems a bit silly when space is so tight Mar 08 11:46:01 johnx, wasnt it you who gave me that ?!?! Mar 08 11:46:30 gave you what? Mar 08 11:46:36 xchat link Mar 08 11:46:37 * johnx is pretty forgetful O_o Mar 08 11:46:47 or it was lcuk Mar 08 11:46:49 yeah, but I always just tell people to google for it Mar 08 11:46:54 haha Mar 08 11:46:56 k Mar 08 11:47:16 http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ <-- Mar 08 11:47:21 for anyone reading Mar 08 11:47:44 man, that internet tablet still amazed me to the top after 1 year !! Mar 08 11:47:48 wonderful Mar 08 11:47:50 and it *used to* show the right site as the first result, but the IRC logs of (mostly this channel) are now the first results :/ Mar 08 11:47:56 Dazgard, yep Mar 08 11:48:09 and with chinook...more and more appz become available Mar 08 11:48:13 every day Mar 08 11:48:21 its like x-mas every week Mar 08 11:48:26 and hopefully chinook is the last really big API break Mar 08 11:48:32 seeing what each update brings Mar 08 11:49:01 http://kakaroto.homelinux.net/~kakaroto/n810/ <-- amsn for N810 Mar 08 11:49:12 supports the webcam too Mar 08 11:50:07 things I use most are xchat, amsn, fbreader, gpe cal to-do etc.. gpesyncd, pdf/evince Mar 08 11:50:17 the shell obviously! Mar 08 11:50:22 LinuxCode: amazing app :D Mar 08 11:50:57 really not a fan of having to use the terminal on my N800 :/ it's probably the lack of included keyboard... Mar 08 11:51:03 ahh theres a vnc now too Mar 08 11:51:14 johnx, yeh ;-| Mar 08 11:51:22 I was pondering to buy the N800 Mar 08 11:51:25 as it was cheap Mar 08 11:51:32 but...I glad I did not! Mar 08 11:51:35 Im Mar 08 11:51:40 keybaord is awesome Mar 08 11:51:48 I play bomberman all the time using the keybaord haha Mar 08 11:51:53 and pengupop Mar 08 11:52:05 when im on the train on the way home Mar 08 11:52:09 pengupop doesn't need a keyboard...and pingus is a blast Mar 08 11:52:21 * johnx played pingus on the train today :D Mar 08 11:52:34 hehe Mar 08 11:55:08 I need to wipe my contacts Mar 08 11:55:12 and start from scratch Mar 08 11:55:21 see if they sync Mar 08 11:55:29 maybe best to move them out first hehe Mar 08 11:59:48 well that worked :-) Mar 08 12:00:15 thanks for the link... catch you later Mar 08 12:00:22 ah good. I should try it on my n800 now that I have a keyboard :) Mar 08 12:00:25 'later Mar 08 12:00:55 john try what mate ? Mar 08 12:01:04 xchat on the tablet :) Mar 08 12:01:07 ahh Mar 08 12:01:10 try gpe Mar 08 12:01:12 hehe Mar 08 12:01:18 you know you want to Mar 08 12:01:25 DEPP DOWN Mar 08 12:01:28 heh...so I can fix your problem with syncing? Mar 08 12:01:29 DEEP even Mar 08 12:01:32 naa Mar 08 12:01:35 nothing to fix mate Mar 08 12:01:40 well... Mar 08 12:01:49 gpesyncd needs a fix but it synces Mar 08 12:01:56 ah, cool Mar 08 12:01:59 just have to remake my contacts Mar 08 12:02:12 atm im syncing by excluding contacts Mar 08 12:02:14 which is ok Mar 08 12:02:29 main this for me is Mar 08 12:02:32 thing Mar 08 12:02:38 todo + calendar Mar 08 12:02:56 <---- emental cheese memory Mar 08 12:03:00 emmental Mar 08 12:03:06 it has big holes! Mar 08 12:03:35 yeah, I let my phone handle contacts Mar 08 12:16:00 are there people with the nat module compiled please ? Mar 08 12:16:17 would not like to go through teh whole compile precess :s Mar 08 12:16:57 Dazgard, I dont thing the N810 has kernel modules Mar 08 12:17:03 its compiled in Mar 08 12:17:05 afaik Mar 08 12:17:15 im using the n800... lucky you :) Mar 08 12:17:29 LinuxCode, what modules are you talking about? :P Mar 08 12:17:36 kerne modules ? Mar 08 12:17:39 Dazgard, they run the same exact software... Mar 08 12:17:48 the iptable nat module Mar 08 12:17:50 I thought the firmwares were static Mar 08 12:18:01 LinuxCode, you're possibly a little confused :) Mar 08 12:18:08 more than likely Mar 08 12:18:09 :) Mar 08 12:18:20 had a 36 hours deadline session the last days Mar 08 12:18:22 Dazgard, let me see if fanoush compiled them Mar 08 12:18:25 no sleep Mar 08 12:18:29 O_o Mar 08 12:18:42 why hang out on IRC then? go to sleep man! Mar 08 12:18:52 i already did Mar 08 12:18:57 lol Mar 08 12:19:06 wouldnt be here otherwise! Mar 08 12:19:12 just mybrain is dead Mar 08 12:19:14 hehe Mar 08 12:19:20 brain drain Mar 08 12:19:21 aaah...so you're dreaming you're on IRC? Mar 08 12:19:22 ;-p Mar 08 12:19:34 hahaha, funny Mar 08 12:19:34 lol Mar 08 12:21:09 my n800 will act as a luxurious internet usb dongle for my home pc, wonderful Mar 08 12:21:45 next i would like to develop an ardour remote controler based on python and OSC :D Mar 08 12:21:47 alright, I'll see if I can get the NAT/iptables stuff to compile, but no guarantees :P Mar 08 12:21:57 cool :) Mar 08 12:22:01 thanks man Mar 08 12:22:24 no promises...if I can't get it to compile easily I won't spend a lot of time on it. :) Mar 08 12:22:34 no problem Mar 08 12:22:48 I need a wroking QEMU SDK appliance Mar 08 12:23:07 my vmware is stupid Mar 08 12:23:13 cant flatten a vmware image Mar 08 12:23:23 the app crashes ;-| Mar 08 12:26:40 great...scratchbox is screwed up Mar 08 12:27:15 errr...nope, just PEBKAC Mar 08 12:27:53 sad news Mar 08 12:28:02 heh Mar 08 12:28:28 i think i'll install qemu and use the vmware applaince :s Mar 08 12:29:34 do you know what PEBKAC means? Mar 08 12:29:37 johnx, whats the pebkac Mar 08 12:29:43 mayeb thats my issue Mar 08 12:29:53 problem exists between keyboard and chair :) Mar 08 12:29:59 nooo Mar 08 12:30:04 as in, it didn't work because I was being dumb :D Mar 08 12:30:05 whats the PEBKAC! Mar 08 12:30:12 as in THE Mar 08 12:30:17 hehe Mar 08 12:30:56 hang on a sec Mar 08 12:31:13 did you say...its me before ? or did you have a pebkac moment ? Mar 08 12:31:16 * LinuxCode is confused Mar 08 12:31:37 eating lunch doesnt help that confusion Mar 08 12:31:50 as in...I was complaining about scratchbox but I realized the problem was me Mar 08 12:31:55 k Mar 08 12:31:58 what was the problem Mar 08 12:32:00 ? Mar 08 12:32:12 trying to compile the kernel while scratchbox was in x86 mode Mar 08 12:32:18 ahh ok Mar 08 12:32:24 I cant even get it to work Mar 08 12:32:32 where do you get stuck? Mar 08 12:32:36 which is proabbly more due to the fact that there missing files Mar 08 12:32:58 it says something about error on line 66 Mar 08 12:33:03 havent got it loaded atm Mar 08 12:33:18 but there were other errors...stating missing files Mar 08 12:33:24 which probably is related Mar 08 12:33:29 I tell ya in a few Mar 08 12:33:35 * LinuxCode finishes eating pizza Mar 08 12:33:47 mmm...pizza Mar 08 12:33:49 :) Mar 08 12:37:47 * LinuxCode fires up qemu Mar 08 12:39:53 how do I list all installed packages? Mar 08 12:41:10 dpkg --get-selections Mar 08 12:42:21 * LinuxCode clicks on scratchbox Mar 08 12:42:44 Dazgard, well it's compiling O_o ... You'll get to be the guinea pig though. :D Mar 08 12:43:03 ohh wait Mar 08 12:43:08 I fucked around with this one Mar 08 12:43:14 * LinuxCode unpacks new one Mar 08 12:45:48 lol Mar 08 12:46:13 johnx: happy to be that pig :p Mar 08 12:46:40 alright, once it finishes compiling I'll have to figure out a way to send you the modules... Mar 08 12:48:37 johnx, rsync ? Mar 08 12:48:43 straight into his N810 Mar 08 12:48:45 heheh Mar 08 12:48:57 or whatever hes suing Mar 08 12:49:31 heh Mar 08 12:51:57 dcc ? Mar 08 12:53:11 i've a little problem... my n800 is out of batery :s Mar 08 12:53:25 charging it might help :) Mar 08 12:53:38 and i've only my car charger Mar 08 12:53:49 no regular charger? Mar 08 12:55:22 anyways, it's a 576KB tar.bz2 for the modules Mar 08 12:55:31 I can email them to you or dcc them I guess Mar 08 12:56:31 johnx: no i pass it to someone at walk, and the guy just take it to his home :) Mar 08 12:57:03 awesome ... james pond Mar 08 12:57:04 send the on dazgard At gmail dot com plz Mar 08 12:57:31 alright Mar 08 13:00:40 Dazgard, sent. Mar 08 13:02:57 johnx: ok Mar 08 13:04:35 * LinuxCode signs Dazgard up to a random list of mailing lists Mar 08 13:04:39 lol Mar 08 13:04:45 just kidding Mar 08 13:05:35 cool men Mar 08 13:06:21 i'll have to go to the car to charge this little toy Mar 08 13:06:56 and next, if you 'are still here, i'll elt you know about the sucess/error story :) Mar 08 13:07:16 alright Mar 08 13:07:19 good luck Mar 08 13:07:25 they didnt give you a charger for the N800! Mar 08 13:07:26 wtf Mar 08 13:07:41 what country you live in ? Mar 08 13:08:04 probably south africa... a way to save energy Mar 08 13:08:07 cuning plan Mar 08 13:08:11 someone borrowed it from him... Mar 08 13:08:13 sell devices without chargers Mar 08 13:08:16 ahh Mar 08 13:08:22 thieved ? Mar 08 13:08:37 5 fingered discount Mar 08 13:08:39 I think just forget to give it back... Mar 08 13:08:46 "forget" Mar 08 13:08:52 lcuk_2, oi! Mar 08 13:08:59 oi yourself Mar 08 13:09:00 lcuk_2, didnt you use gpe ? Mar 08 13:09:27 because I figured the issue out Mar 08 13:09:32 i only use gpe when i skydive, otherwise i dont like falling to earth Mar 08 13:09:33 two issues actually Mar 08 13:10:18 ive never used gpe.. should i be? Mar 08 13:10:27 hehe Mar 08 13:10:28 k Mar 08 13:10:47 N810 doesnt have a to do list Mar 08 13:10:50 LinuxCode is our local gpe salesman Mar 08 13:10:52 :D Mar 08 13:10:53 or calendar Mar 08 13:11:12 johnx, well...a pda needs a cal+contacts+todo Mar 08 13:11:19 todo list = notes, calendar = hmmm dunno cos i dont need one Mar 08 13:11:24 but then maybe thats why they called it an IT Mar 08 13:11:27 i agree with that Mar 08 13:12:12 higher priority though is kidnapping skype guy and supergluing an 810 to his hands so he has to use it - we would have video soon after Mar 08 13:12:27 (and an arrest warrant, but thats minor) Mar 08 13:12:33 lol Mar 08 13:12:45 I thought that often myself Mar 08 13:12:54 and restraining orders, lawyer's fees, jail time...lcuk_2 what have you gotten us into?! Mar 08 13:12:54 not ebing able to use webcam = stupid Mar 08 13:13:02 johnx, its the Uk Mar 08 13:13:07 legal aid is for that Mar 08 13:13:15 and the udge will sya..it was for the greater good Mar 08 13:13:15 yes johnx, its solicitors fees Mar 08 13:13:17 judge Mar 08 13:13:29 the rest is right tho ;) Mar 08 13:13:30 30 hours community service Mar 08 13:13:34 heheh Mar 08 13:13:49 and a prison issue hoodie "Property of HMP" Mar 08 13:13:56 lool Mar 08 13:14:15 naa the judge wil have a N810 Mar 08 13:14:29 and think...why isnt there webcam support on my skype Mar 08 13:14:29 nahhh judges play ds Mar 08 13:14:33 lol Mar 08 13:14:46 a game called "Bobo" ? Mar 08 13:14:52 rofl Mar 08 13:15:03 you see them playing mario sonic at olympics and furiously scribbling just under the table Mar 08 13:15:09 some amiga games are still awesome Mar 08 13:15:25 thats whats missing Mar 08 13:15:32 a UAE emu Mar 08 13:15:36 ive seen a few people talking about getting uae working on here Mar 08 13:15:39 LinuxCode: talking about amiga games Mar 08 13:15:53 but i would want native games Mar 08 13:15:59 then id make myself an adapter lol Mar 08 13:16:04 i didnt buy this device for it to become another mame machine Mar 08 13:16:09 for my usb competition pro Mar 08 13:16:23 native =the way to go - we just have to find people willing to code directly for it Mar 08 13:16:53 what's so bad about emulation? :) Mar 08 13:16:54 * lcuk_2 is coding directly for the device, but not game based atm Mar 08 13:17:18 making a good game is not a weekend project.. Mar 08 13:17:21 platforms with a high priority in emulation show the device cannot stand on its own merits Mar 08 13:18:02 good games CAN be wrote in a weekend - the artwork around them however takes longer :) Mar 08 13:18:12 unless you are rolf harris Mar 08 13:18:22 there was a game with a little ship Mar 08 13:18:24 level design, balance, sound/music, ... etc.etc Mar 08 13:18:40 do someone know the name Mar 08 13:18:53 but if you have had a pet project in mind for a while then it will come together - and if enough people have a desire to do it then it will work Mar 08 13:19:08 i do know whith only that, it'll be pretty hard to guess with one Mar 08 13:19:15 but i've not other info Mar 08 13:19:45 i see no point in writing games _only_ for the ITs :p Mar 08 13:20:05 nor do i - but writing new software is good Mar 08 13:21:22 i can only speak from a book perspective (because thats what i am looking towards) but fbreader is multi platform, but whilst its basic rendering technology works its sluggish as hell with most books i read. im building something specific for now which will work well within the bounds of what we have Mar 08 13:21:40 there are actually very few programs that make sense to develop with only ITs in mind.. Mar 08 13:22:04 similar to how we used to code for amiga or spectrum - multi platform targetting is good as long as you dont sacrifice the best of what your original platform has to offer Mar 08 13:22:11 and i guess you could make fbreader fast enough to be usable without loosing platform abstraction Mar 08 13:22:43 it's funny, because it isn't as slow on a zaurus... Mar 08 13:22:53 aim for me is to write a specific reading engine then see how i can get that into fb and make use of best of all worlds Mar 08 13:23:11 its the rendering tree and 800*480 from sdl Mar 08 13:23:14 but when the zaurus is in "portrait" mode that's the native rotation for its LCD... Mar 08 13:23:48 native rotation be damned, its only blitting glyphs(sprites) onto a canvass Mar 08 13:24:30 lcuk_2, but doesn't fbreader seem to render faster in landscape than portrait on the n8x0? Mar 08 13:24:31 and the 8x0 also has native rotation built into the lcd, its just not used because of sdl Mar 08 13:24:46 hmm "not used because of sdl" Mar 08 13:24:51 elaborate please... Mar 08 13:25:10 sdl does not support hardware rotation :) Mar 08 13:25:37 aaah...so it needs to be abstracted somewhere Mar 08 13:25:42 sdl does not support telling it to open a fullscreen window rotated 270 degrees although if you configure the framebuffer correctly you can send data in normal order and have the lcd rotate it for you Mar 08 13:26:18 I think the fbreader guy probably doesn't want to get that close to the hardware O_o Mar 08 13:26:23 actually sdl should really be optimized for the ITs.. :) Mar 08 13:26:29 YES Mar 08 13:26:43 but that means getting a maintainer for it Mar 08 13:26:54 because you couldnt just do it once Mar 08 13:27:07 * jott builds a time machine Mar 08 13:27:09 KotCzarny built an x server / fb driver with the fb rotation patches that were up Mar 08 13:27:21 I should poke at him to let me test those Mar 08 13:27:24 johnx: i did so too :) Mar 08 13:27:31 jott, backward patching ? Mar 08 13:27:32 ah, cool Mar 08 13:27:39 johnx: http://sse2.net/roate Mar 08 13:27:44 now, ive gone lower than sdl and am using x and xv - its a YUV format, so booked are greyscale but i gain 25fps+ fullscreen tear free 800*480 frames Mar 08 13:27:48 by timing a few years back ..altering events ? Mar 08 13:27:57 (i even wrote a statusbar rotation app :P Mar 08 13:28:02 if i decide to lower the res i gain 50fps+ frames of a lower res *automatically scaled* Mar 08 13:28:05 quite usable Mar 08 13:28:16 link dont work Mar 08 13:28:17 yes jott Mar 08 13:28:22 jott, how badly does hildon-desktop break? :) Mar 08 13:28:32 yours uses a .ko though doesnt it Mar 08 13:28:32 LinuxCode, spelling :) Mar 08 13:28:40 ohh Mar 08 13:28:43 rotate Mar 08 13:28:45 lolol Mar 08 13:28:45 johnx: well the menu is not really usable but for most things its really ok Mar 08 13:28:52 * LinuxCode smacks head on desk Mar 08 13:28:56 (like browsing using fbreader etc) Mar 08 13:29:07 so apps seem to cope with it ok for the most part? Mar 08 13:29:18 that's very encouraging news Mar 08 13:29:25 how quickly does it switch jott? is it usable to go from 0rotated desktop to 90deg fullscreen app in the blink of an eye? Mar 08 13:29:29 as the rotation is managed by the randr extension there the rotation is instant so you can easily rotate at runtime Mar 08 13:29:40 rotation takes ~1 sec Mar 08 13:30:09 johnx: yeah for most part it works.. some dialogs are too wide .. Mar 08 13:30:21 i believe it can be done inter frame by poking the ioctl on the framebuffer - ive started to follow xv down the line at the moment to possibly allow it Mar 08 13:30:33 good news for getting maemo on the vga zauruses then :D Mar 08 13:30:46 hehe.. yeah as the menu is closed source anyway :P Mar 08 13:30:58 the menu? Mar 08 13:31:03 or is it open? Mar 08 13:31:19 application launcher Mar 08 13:31:24 the side bar, top bar, and app menu are open Mar 08 13:31:30 speaking of which - i get the xv sources from x11 dont i? and do they include the omap/blizzard specific source? Mar 08 13:31:31 browser and communications menu are closed Mar 08 13:31:37 ah ok.. Mar 08 13:31:53 anyway. the app menu would need some tweaking.. Mar 08 13:32:11 I just dropped the whole left bar for now Mar 08 13:32:16 stone bloke from nokia said there were lots of hard coded 800*480s in the closed source Mar 08 13:32:26 takes up 80 freakin' pixels Mar 08 13:32:36 a whole 80 :O Mar 08 13:32:39 ;) Mar 08 13:32:40 lol Mar 08 13:32:48 well, I don't care about the closed source anyways Mar 08 13:32:57 80 is a lot on a 640x480 screen Mar 08 13:33:07 80 pixels is a lot vertically for the tablet Mar 08 13:33:14 even more on a 480x640 screen ;) Mar 08 13:33:22 ;> Mar 08 13:33:22 heh Mar 08 13:33:26 640 ? Mar 08 13:33:27 its still higher res than an iphone Mar 08 13:33:40 and *they* manage ok Mar 08 13:33:51 LinuxCode, i'm poking at hildon-desktop for the zaurus Mar 08 13:33:55 ohh Mar 08 13:34:00 lcuk_2, it's not *that* bad in terms of hardcoded-ness Mar 08 13:34:02 traitors Mar 08 13:34:04 lol Mar 08 13:34:06 the theming is just really ugly Mar 08 13:34:07 fair enough Mar 08 13:34:11 * LinuxCode strokes his n810 Mar 08 13:34:34 mmmmmm mini laptop http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=810cratelaptopmodetc6.jpg Mar 08 13:34:40 but then again Mar 08 13:34:51 the more devices..the more developers..the more distros Mar 08 13:34:58 the better for the software Mar 08 13:35:03 the better for the users Mar 08 13:35:05 LinuxCode, exactly Mar 08 13:35:13 still...traitors Mar 08 13:35:15 lolol Mar 08 13:35:17 ;-D Mar 08 13:35:18 hahaha Mar 08 13:35:22 and the zaurus users could really use a source of new apps Mar 08 13:35:49 lcuk_2, your laptop is made of *wood* ... just so you know... Mar 08 13:36:16 looool @ pic Mar 08 13:36:17 bahaha Mar 08 13:36:21 wtf Mar 08 13:36:21 dont forget the elastic band Mar 08 13:36:27 hahaha Mar 08 13:36:36 does that come in the package ? Mar 08 13:36:43 a bag of rubber bands Mar 08 13:36:44 ? Mar 08 13:36:46 lolol Mar 08 13:36:57 with Nokia written on the bands Mar 08 13:37:02 well it stops it boinking me on the head when im reading at night Mar 08 13:37:03 get some duct tape on there and I'll call it a winner Mar 08 13:37:58 that keybaord is nice Mar 08 13:38:12 what is it ? Mar 08 13:38:24 apple bt keyboard Mar 08 13:38:39 nice Mar 08 13:38:44 be nicer if one coul;d fold it Mar 08 13:38:52 oh you can Mar 08 13:38:58 ahh cool Mar 08 13:38:58 it just doesn't unfold Mar 08 13:39:02 hahaha Mar 08 13:39:05 ok! Mar 08 13:39:06 ;-p Mar 08 13:39:21 isnt it shocking Mar 08 13:39:39 to think that a device like the N810 is like half the size of a small keyabord Mar 08 13:39:40 lol Mar 08 13:39:50 * LinuxCode thinks of his old amiga Mar 08 13:39:59 * LinuxCode thinks portable device Mar 08 13:40:01 lol Mar 08 13:40:56 nice just ordered food..its being delivered tomorrow Mar 08 13:41:02 one job less to do Mar 08 14:13:07 im leaving, i'll be back soon, with the charged tablet Mar 08 14:13:18 and the working gateway i hope Mar 08 14:13:22 see you later Mar 08 14:13:33 and once again thanks Mar 08 14:27:32 LinuxCode: amiga emulation is coming soon Mar 08 14:27:45 thanks to KotCzarny Mar 08 14:28:12 not the crap i built (UAE) Mar 08 14:28:24 sweet! Mar 08 14:28:40 cant wait to play giana sisters on the train then hehe Mar 08 14:28:43 the games are all too fast for me now :) Mar 08 14:28:48 oh gotta try that Mar 08 14:28:53 or Mar 08 14:28:55 hostages Mar 08 14:28:57 or Mar 08 14:29:02 man endless possibilities Mar 08 14:29:04 lol Mar 08 14:29:10 i was looking for a good amiga RPA Mar 08 14:29:12 RPG Mar 08 14:29:42 Is there a way I can run risc os (fits in 2mb written in arm asm so should be fast) Mar 08 14:30:19 pupnik, hmm Mar 08 14:30:24 sindbad Mar 08 14:30:25 ? Mar 08 14:30:38 that looked quite good back then Mar 08 14:31:03 i see some, Eye of the Beholder, Dungeon Master, World of Legends, Realms of Arkania - Blade of Destiny Mar 08 14:31:06 ok thanks Mar 08 14:31:15 deja vu Mar 08 14:31:19 if you like it oldschool Mar 08 14:31:20 Just bought a cd of 500 amiga games for 5 euro Mar 08 14:31:28 pupnik, why ? Mar 08 14:31:42 http://www.planetemu.net/ Mar 08 14:32:35 click on amiga under "ordis" Mar 08 14:32:40 on the right Mar 08 14:32:49 then under roms Mar 08 14:32:52 amiga -games Mar 08 14:33:27 how soon will that amiga emu be ? Mar 08 14:33:29 lol Mar 08 14:33:32 * LinuxCode rubs hands Mar 08 14:33:54 trying to get it closer to 30fps Mar 08 14:33:57 * LinuxCode fidgets around in his chair Mar 08 14:34:11 30fps! Mar 08 14:34:14 bloody hell Mar 08 14:34:17 hehe Mar 08 14:34:24 quake has 8 or so ?!?! Mar 08 14:34:25 lol Mar 08 14:34:36 so I read Mar 08 14:34:39 well 25 would be nice for pal games Mar 08 14:34:46 ahh k Mar 08 14:34:58 ;-D Mar 08 14:35:27 but really i need to finish my nes emu port Mar 08 14:35:32 will it be similar to e-uae ? Mar 08 14:35:36 that's rockin at 95-105fps Mar 08 14:35:40 not really Mar 08 14:35:55 but one can select uae games yes ? Mar 08 14:36:01 yes in-game menu Mar 08 14:36:04 k Mar 08 14:36:14 also there's no 2nd mouse button Mar 08 14:36:18 and it knows the joypad thing is the mouse and joystick ? Mar 08 14:36:24 the tablet layout just sux for fast games Mar 08 14:36:42 did amiga even have 2 seperate mouse buttons ?!?! Mar 08 14:36:43 yeah he made the dpad double as joystick and arrow keys Mar 08 14:36:49 I thought it was one Mar 08 14:36:56 oh.. hmm Mar 08 14:37:08 no - apple was 1 button Mar 08 14:37:09 i just read something about button 2 - i forghot :) Mar 08 14:37:10 amiga had 2 Mar 08 14:37:21 big old dopey tank of a mouse with a click you could hear from orbit Mar 08 14:37:24 I recall a distinct pain in my right finger Mar 08 14:37:31 lcuk_2, hahaha Mar 08 14:37:40 and it made you cry with pain Mar 08 14:37:55 playing games like defender of the crown Mar 08 14:38:02 no - it was first computer i had with a native mouse - it made me smile Mar 08 14:38:10 pupnik, I hope that amiga emu supports two floppies Mar 08 14:38:18 i had a mouse on my spectrum but that only worked with one program Mar 08 14:38:18 ;-D Mar 08 14:38:25 defender of the crown would own Mar 08 14:38:34 lcuk_2, hehe Mar 08 14:38:35 no it only has 1 floppy but you can swap Mar 08 14:38:38 and pupnik, if you are doing amiga emulation, make sure you make the memory stick port click Mar 08 14:38:41 I never had a speccy Mar 08 14:38:50 speccies were more a UK thing Mar 08 14:38:57 I grew up abroad Mar 08 14:39:04 lucky for some Mar 08 14:39:22 pupnik, hmmm k Mar 08 14:39:25 ;-| Mar 08 14:39:27 lol Mar 08 14:39:48 fortunately..most games come on one disc Mar 08 14:40:07 hahaha Mar 08 14:40:11 I can play barabrian then Mar 08 14:40:17 "Prepare to die!" Mar 08 14:40:22 lol Mar 08 14:40:28 "ding...ding....ding" Mar 08 14:40:53 pupnik, are you know e-uae Mar 08 14:41:03 any idea why my menu might not work ? Mar 08 14:41:11 ohh wait Mar 08 14:41:19 there was a gtk2 compile issue Mar 08 14:41:22 which I didnt get Mar 08 14:41:32 despite specifiying where it should look Mar 08 14:41:34 for the headers Mar 08 14:41:50 you built e-uae LinuxCode ? Mar 08 14:41:54 yeh Mar 08 14:41:57 had to Mar 08 14:42:01 hehe Mar 08 14:42:01 but the menu wont show Mar 08 14:42:11 can you launch a game from commandline? Mar 08 14:42:17 I use the amd64 thing to save the settings then start my e-uae Mar 08 14:42:25 I built for x86_64 Mar 08 14:42:32 as Im using a quad core Mar 08 14:42:33 intel Mar 08 14:42:45 pupnik, it works Mar 08 14:42:49 just not the menu bit Mar 08 14:43:01 lol @ thought of supergluing a quadcore onto the back of n810 ;) Mar 08 14:43:20 lcuk_2, lol Mar 08 14:43:50 * LinuxCode glues a amd k6-2-400 on lcuk_2's forhead Mar 08 14:44:09 do you have e-uae on the tablet? Mar 08 14:44:09 oi! you knocked my H off Mar 08 14:44:19 pupnik, no Mar 08 14:44:21 I wish Mar 08 14:44:27 i think osemutech built it Mar 08 14:44:36 ohh! Mar 08 14:44:39 theres a link ?!?! Mar 08 14:44:43 for N810! Mar 08 14:44:47 GIMME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mar 08 14:44:49 please Mar 08 14:45:09 its a shame we cant do a cross convert - arm asm looks suspiciously similar to 68k Mar 08 14:45:11 i don't know where it is Mar 08 14:45:22 pupnik, ohh noes Mar 08 14:45:27 you got me all excited Mar 08 14:45:28 http://pupnik.de/uae.html Mar 08 14:45:28 lol Mar 08 14:45:32 LinuxCode, up on itt somewhere I'm sure Mar 08 14:45:35 you can try that but it's not so hot Mar 08 14:45:38 FND IT...OW! Mar 08 14:45:51 * LinuxCode bookamrks pupnik's link Mar 08 14:45:58 * LinuxCode goes hunting on ITT Mar 08 14:46:04 i think everybody needs to try my uae Mar 08 14:46:23 so they will better appreciate KotCzarny's work Mar 08 14:46:44 General: iPhone s/w wishlist: They want what we already have! (4) by tz Mar 08 14:46:44 lol Mar 08 14:47:11 apple sdk is restricted to 1 user app and no background processing Mar 08 14:47:30 http://pupnik.de/uae.html Mar 08 14:47:34 pup, will try it now :) Mar 08 14:48:13 I think there will still be a place for the general UAE on the tablets Mar 08 14:48:25 since it does 68020 and more resolutions Mar 08 14:49:02 680ec20 surely ;)( Mar 08 14:49:07 -( Mar 08 14:51:48 where is uae installed to pup? Mar 08 14:52:01 im running from the shortcut but nothings happening ill run the command line Mar 08 14:52:09 if i know where it is Mar 08 14:52:15 /usr/bin/uae Mar 08 14:52:16 sorry Mar 08 14:52:37 its ok - it ran without a path i got ruther from command line than with the shortcut Mar 08 14:53:58 :) Mar 08 14:54:07 wb KotCzarny Mar 08 14:54:20 where on earth would i find a workbench disk, and even once i have one how do i hook up a floppy drive ;0 Mar 08 14:54:34 just for a moment Mar 08 14:54:45 have you hacked anything interesting? Mar 08 14:54:54 :) Mar 08 14:55:06 lcuk_2, usb floppy drive? Mar 08 14:55:09 lcuk: google Mar 08 14:55:30 yer i know ill dig one out from somewhere - i could probably even get my original Mar 08 14:56:11 i have transferred all my floppies using amos program i wrote :> Mar 08 14:56:19 and serial link ;) Mar 08 14:56:38 i tried various compile flags KotCzarny - need some way to get fps over the run of the game Mar 08 14:56:45 dont like how its using 16bit graphics by default tho - planar to chunky is expensive - it should be trying for the 2bp versions and a quick lookup table Mar 08 14:57:14 pupnik: getting around oss->esd could be one way Mar 08 14:57:27 ie. hacking proper pcmtask support, or alsa Mar 08 14:57:29 (for desktop) for games 5bpp should be enough Mar 08 14:57:45 or did most use halfbright? Mar 08 14:58:10 i see define NUM_DRIVES 2 in uae.h Mar 08 14:58:33 i need to do sound for fceu2 so maybe i will have a good backend sometime Mar 08 15:01:34 http://www.planetemu.net/index.php?section=roms&dat=375 Mar 08 15:02:01 i should add a note about 512kb rom Mar 08 15:02:54 KotCzarny: i think it'd be best to map the menu to the front 'menu' button maybe Mar 08 15:03:09 some games need joy button 2 i think? Mar 08 15:03:22 pupnik: that's work in progress Mar 08 15:03:24 i think menu is F4 - not sure Mar 08 15:03:30 i will make it configurable later Mar 08 15:04:24 ok, bbl Mar 08 15:08:12 pupnik, installing mate Mar 08 15:08:13 ;-} Mar 08 15:09:03 ohh Mar 08 15:09:08 menu icon too Mar 08 15:09:33 hmmm Mar 08 15:09:46 i click the icon..it says loading..but nothing happens Mar 08 15:10:07 yeah it's broken, dunno why Mar 08 15:10:28 menu has more than one floppy Mar 08 15:10:35 I thought ya said it dont work ? Mar 08 15:12:15 now i need a rom file Mar 08 15:12:21 * LinuxCode uploads Mar 08 15:14:07 LinuxCode: this new emu seems to have only one floppy Mar 08 15:26:34 hi tigrux Mar 08 15:26:53 florian: Nice to see you here! Mar 08 15:27:43 tigrux: yeah, long time no see... how are you? Mar 08 15:27:49 im such a moron Mar 08 15:27:52 couldnmt find my cable Mar 08 15:27:54 ;-[ Mar 08 15:28:01 it was tucked behnd some folder Mar 08 15:28:26 florian: I can complain. I work in a company that is developing the multimedia part of the linux systems for Texas Instruments, for its embedded with linux. Mar 08 15:28:58 tigrux: this sounds pretty good indeed Mar 08 15:33:41 hmm how do i ensure sprintf doesn't exceed my buffer, is there a sprintnf ? Mar 08 15:34:13 lcdd: snprintf Mar 08 15:34:25 excellent thanks Mar 08 15:37:57 how do i make amiga boot ? Mar 08 15:38:04 turn on power Mar 08 15:38:28 truls, comedian ? Mar 08 15:38:31 hehe Mar 08 15:38:36 no, couchpoteta Mar 08 15:38:40 poteto Mar 08 15:38:41 almost the same Mar 08 15:38:44 less pay Mar 08 15:42:10 hmmmm Mar 08 15:42:18 nothing happens Mar 08 15:42:47 * LinuxCode waits patiently Mar 08 15:44:14 hmmmm Mar 08 15:46:58 pupnik, my rom wont even show the wrokbench Mar 08 15:47:06 i tried two Mar 08 15:47:39 heh sux Mar 08 15:47:40 :/ Mar 08 15:47:44 wait Mar 08 15:47:51 maybe the files didnt transfer right Mar 08 15:48:03 for some odd reason they sometimes dont transfer Mar 08 15:48:33 plug in the cable next time Mar 08 15:48:34 shows 200kb Mar 08 15:48:37 should be ok Mar 08 15:48:52 Proteous, another comedian ? Mar 08 15:48:58 :P Mar 08 15:49:01 did I miss something today ? Mar 08 15:49:06 World comedian day ? Mar 08 15:49:18 no one told me, I'll have to step it up Mar 08 15:50:00 pupnik, did you try this on a N810 ? Mar 08 15:50:07 or did you just compile Mar 08 15:50:08 ? Mar 08 15:51:40 * LinuxCode cries Mar 08 15:51:47 sux doesn't it Mar 08 15:51:56 an amiga emu for N810 would be the icing on the cake Mar 08 15:52:02 what rom version btw? Mar 08 15:52:03 iceing Mar 08 15:52:08 tried 1.2 Mar 08 15:52:09 1.3 Mar 08 15:52:16 which one did you try ? Mar 08 15:52:18 ok those should work Mar 08 15:52:20 both Mar 08 15:52:40 i'll test here again Mar 08 15:52:45 from the gui right ? Mar 08 15:52:51 yes Mar 08 15:52:54 k Mar 08 15:52:56 just checking Mar 08 15:52:57 hehe Mar 08 15:53:14 maybe name limit ? Mar 08 15:53:20 mine are named quite long Mar 08 15:54:29 oh give them short names without strange characters Mar 08 15:55:08 do you see the 'insert floppy' image? Mar 08 15:57:23 yep Mar 08 15:57:50 hmmm Mar 08 15:57:57 works 4 me Mar 08 15:58:02 is the workbench image supposed to show ? Mar 08 15:58:05 yes Mar 08 15:58:59 hmmm Mar 08 15:59:10 ive got my amiga stuff on the mmc2 Mar 08 15:59:50 how many bytes is your bios image? Mar 08 16:00:03 should be 524288 Mar 08 16:00:09 sec Mar 08 16:00:39 my rom files are 256kb Mar 08 16:00:43 but they work Mar 08 16:00:53 because I ran them on this machine Mar 08 16:00:54 ok some emus can't use those packed roms Mar 08 16:01:03 hmm Mar 08 16:01:19 lets try kickstart 2.0 then Mar 08 16:02:18 hmmm Mar 08 16:03:28 hallelujah Mar 08 16:03:33 found some orig grabs Mar 08 16:03:33 sec Mar 08 16:05:07 does the reset button work ? Mar 08 16:06:27 not really since you can't get back to the launch menu Mar 08 16:06:45 last try Mar 08 16:07:36 nope Mar 08 16:07:40 stays black Mar 08 16:08:08 terminal says Mar 08 16:08:15 Using Normal image buffer Mar 08 16:08:26 heh, i take it people are playing around with a amiga emulator? Mar 08 16:08:34 yes sir Mar 08 16:08:50 pupnik, whats your settings Mar 08 16:08:57 before I give up Mar 08 16:09:02 hmm, now i got the silly idea of embedding a N800 inside the case of a A500 :P Mar 08 16:09:33 68010 are the size of the n810 sizeways Mar 08 16:09:35 lol Mar 08 16:09:44 5 of them = size of N810 in total Mar 08 16:09:46 default settings Mar 08 16:09:56 k renaming rom again Mar 08 16:09:58 do you see the kick rom loader image? Mar 08 16:10:20 no workbench if thats what ya mean Mar 08 16:10:46 ok yes Mar 08 16:10:57 the hand holding the blue floppy Mar 08 16:11:09 thats the workbench icon yes Mar 08 16:11:11 hehe Mar 08 16:12:33 I have a .deb package I've created for my project. It requires python2.5 and python2.5-gstreamer. These dependancies are not being installed automatically when I install my debian file. In fact, when I try to apt-get install the two of them I get errors and it suggests "apt-get -f install". Doing that works. Doesn't anyone know how I can make my debian file work without requiring the user to run the apt-get -f install Mar 08 16:12:34 k Mar 08 16:12:35 lets see Mar 08 16:13:06 k I tell ya what I do Mar 08 16:13:15 start uae..add rom into rom field Mar 08 16:13:21 cpu load goes up Mar 08 16:13:37 what is size of the rom file? Mar 08 16:13:39 terminal shows 1866 CPU functions Mar 08 16:13:42 512kb Mar 08 16:14:29 Building cpu function tabel Mar 08 16:14:39 using 16bit visual.... Mar 08 16:14:48 using normal image buffer Mar 08 16:15:25 dskippy: something tells me you dont have the repositories enabled that contains python2.5? Mar 08 16:16:30 dskippy: did you install from a local deb?? Mar 08 16:16:46 Application manager doesn't support installing dependencies from locally stored debs Mar 08 16:17:24 Although, if you create a repository on your mmc, then you can install also dependencies Mar 08 16:20:09 pupnik, hmm Mar 08 16:20:10 nada Mar 08 16:20:18 what did you build this on ? Mar 08 16:20:26 im using default nokia flash Mar 08 16:20:56 what dependencies does this have ? Mar 08 16:21:04 sdl ? Mar 08 16:22:44 hm Mar 08 16:23:01 odd isnt it Mar 08 16:23:04 ;-| Mar 08 16:23:07 * LinuxCode cries Mar 08 16:23:20 well it sucks anyway... i do like the frontend though Mar 08 16:23:27 haha Mar 08 16:23:28 ;-[ Mar 08 16:23:35 def needs tweaking on the memory tab Mar 08 16:23:35 I dont want it to suck Mar 08 16:24:09 getting amiga games to play on the N810 would be the sex Mar 08 16:24:12 well the source is on my page Mar 08 16:24:25 but don't spend too much time with this Mar 08 16:25:50 pupnik, out of curiosity Mar 08 16:25:58 run it and ctrl-c it Mar 08 16:26:14 that gets you to a debugger Mar 08 16:26:21 then quit the app Mar 08 16:26:30 glib warning Mar 08 16:26:39 yeah - what do those mean? Mar 08 16:26:39 gtk_is_notebook Mar 08 16:26:44 get that ? Mar 08 16:26:53 k i;'ll test Mar 08 16:27:14 cool Mar 08 16:27:15 probably because uae disappeared Mar 08 16:27:22 the errors keep on coming Mar 08 16:27:25 yeh Mar 08 16:27:41 i think i need to free-up something on program close Mar 08 16:27:45 dunno if that helps Mar 08 16:27:48 thanks Mar 08 16:27:49 hehe Mar 08 16:27:51 np Mar 08 16:28:08 but i'm dropping it Mar 08 16:29:34 * pupnik plays the 'Heidi' theme song Mar 08 16:33:53 I will pay Nokia 1 million for a amiga emu Mar 08 16:33:58 in pizza crumbs Mar 08 16:36:07 1 million kenyan dollars Mar 08 16:36:58 lcuk_2, hehe Mar 08 16:37:02 is that worth anything Mar 08 16:37:25 well, if you have no toilet paper it might be Mar 08 16:37:30 but otherwise im not so sure Mar 08 16:37:35 lol Mar 08 16:37:52 I just pay them in zimbabwe money Mar 08 16:38:00 it will be worth 1 million one day Mar 08 16:38:18 by the time I pay them it will be worth a roll of toilet paper Mar 08 16:38:56 pitty a uae would have been the icing on the cake Mar 08 16:39:13 hhahah Mar 08 16:39:26 that would have pawned anything Mar 08 16:39:31 not to be mean but there's work to be done man Mar 08 16:39:40 yeh I know Mar 08 16:39:44 just saying ;-D Mar 08 16:39:51 giving encouragement Mar 08 16:39:58 meanwhile everyone needs to dance with heidi. http://youtube.com/watch?v=n4lW19A4Hlk Mar 08 16:40:08 * LinuxCode politely declines Mar 08 16:40:11 hehehe Mar 08 16:40:27 heidi, heidi, komm nach haus, find dein glück. komm doch wieder zurueck! Mar 08 16:40:29 total kitsch Mar 08 16:40:55 but biene maja may be even better Mar 08 16:41:00 I wouldnt decline a girl called heidi Mar 08 16:41:06 if she wants to find her glueck with me Mar 08 16:41:21 doing rude acts Mar 08 16:41:25 you get the drift Mar 08 16:41:28 lol Mar 08 16:41:30 ;-p Mar 08 16:41:40 the drift* Mar 08 16:41:48 wtf Mar 08 16:41:56 I corrected somethign I already wrote Mar 08 16:41:58 hahaha Mar 08 16:42:03 * LinuxCode knocks head on desk Mar 08 16:42:14 hahaha Mar 08 16:42:15 must be after effects from last week Mar 08 17:24:40 http://www.talk2myshirt.com/blog/archives/category/accessories/keyboard Fabric Keyboards Mar 08 17:25:39 pupnik, lol Mar 08 17:25:59 hi navi Mar 08 17:26:12 Hullo Mar 08 17:26:20 a bit pricy though Mar 08 17:27:52 Snoop Dog in lederhosen: http://buzzworthy.mtv.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/snoop.jpg Mar 08 17:38:56 I'd like to see maemo running on the pandora someday Mar 08 17:48:24 how to i make the arrows scroll instead of jump to links in tne browser in os2008' Mar 08 17:58:37 anyone tried gpasman? [password manager] Mar 08 18:05:40 sky is blue Mar 08 18:05:45 s/blue/red/ Mar 08 18:05:45 zoran meant: sky is red Mar 08 18:06:17 folks, I need help for something not related to maemo, but infobot Mar 08 18:06:51 magicrobotmonkey, i have something installed which makes the cursor keys do page up down but i cant find it now Mar 08 18:10:58 http://www.russellbeattie.com/blog/paging-in-n800n810s-mozilla-browser Mar 08 18:11:17 this appears to do it, but i managed to find a .deb which made the changes required and haven't looked back since Mar 08 18:25:34 hi Mar 08 18:26:39 ... In the default os2008 chat app, is it normal for contacts not to be synced from - say - AIM, Yahoo etc? Mar 08 18:28:33 grbdbl no gcda files coming out Mar 08 18:34:02 * pupnik gets out the "Acme KotCzarny magnet" Mar 08 18:35:09 you wierdos who use the tablet for what it was intended.... Mar 08 18:35:36 ccooke, ?!? Mar 08 18:35:40 using what ?!?! Mar 08 18:35:49 LinuxCode: the default chat app Mar 08 18:35:56 I dont use that Mar 08 18:36:05 my thing doesnt even support aim Mar 08 18:36:08 yaho Mar 08 18:36:11 well, pidgin looked to be *terribly* slow Mar 08 18:36:16 or are we talking about pidgin here ? Mar 08 18:36:21 LinuxCode: it does, if you install the packages for it Mar 08 18:36:22 guess not Mar 08 18:36:24 pidgin is unusable Mar 08 18:36:32 ccooke, and the package was ? Mar 08 18:38:50 account-plugin-haze Mar 08 18:41:09 ohh noes Mar 08 18:41:14 my pipe symbol is gone Mar 08 18:41:15 damn Mar 08 18:42:44 anybody recall what a pipe was called Mar 08 18:42:47 vtab ? Mar 08 18:42:52 vt ? Mar 08 18:43:20 hmm Mar 08 18:44:12 vbar Mar 08 18:44:57 bar it is! Mar 08 18:46:09 no such package Mar 08 18:46:15 where did you get it from ? Mar 08 18:47:10 google doesnt know about it either Mar 08 18:49:57 LinuxCode: give me a moment and I'll find out... Mar 08 18:50:13 cool ta Mar 08 18:53:03 LinuxCode: It's from one of the more standard repos on gronmayer Mar 08 18:55:55 ccooke, found it mate Mar 08 18:56:03 does this require blue pill mode ? Mar 08 18:56:45 nmi find out hehe Mar 08 18:57:06 mental laziness creeping in Mar 08 19:00:27 nooooo Mar 08 19:00:32 still no irc! Mar 08 19:00:34 lol Mar 08 19:00:39 everything else but that Mar 08 19:01:47 looks like I should be using rtcom instead, anyway Mar 08 19:03:17 hmmm Mar 08 19:03:22 adding account doesnt work Mar 08 19:03:29 says no accounts set up Mar 08 19:03:41 restart, and you'll see a non-working account there :-) Mar 08 19:04:34 non-working ? Mar 08 19:04:35 hehe Mar 08 19:08:09 nada Mar 08 19:08:18 does this have a dependency ?!?! Mar 08 19:10:35 woot -fprofile-generate kicked ass Mar 08 19:10:42 maybe 10-20% speed increase Mar 08 19:11:34 LinuxCode: Take a look at rtcom-beta-os2008 Mar 08 19:11:41 LinuxCode: which I'm looking at now Mar 08 19:11:57 Hi Mar 08 19:12:06 LinuxCode: Needs red pill mode, IIRC Mar 08 19:15:04 i think i will stick to amsn + xchat Mar 08 19:18:06 but good to see something happening Mar 08 19:18:14 was a bit disappointing Mar 08 19:18:25 most peopleuse all sorts of IM Mar 08 19:18:27 http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/08/asus-ms71-couldnt-choose-between-mouse-and-flash-drive/ Mar 08 19:18:50 this could be a perfect carry-with mouse for the N800. ;) Mar 08 19:25:05 brb reboot Mar 08 19:25:24 lets make led blink when accessing amiga floppy :P Mar 08 19:57:01 LinuxCode: Seems to be working, by the way Mar 08 19:57:17 with rfcom beta ? Mar 08 19:57:19 LinuxCode: my old AIM account imported correctly just now Mar 08 19:57:20 yes Mar 08 19:57:22 cool Mar 08 19:57:33 had to install via the command line... and dist-upgrade afterwards Mar 08 19:57:38 if it had irc id be sold Mar 08 19:57:50 it does Mar 08 19:57:55 it does ? Mar 08 19:58:33 its not in the list Mar 08 19:58:55 full list I see is: AIM, Ekiga(SIP), FreeWorldDialup (SIP), Google Talk, ICQ, IRC, Jabber, Link-local XMPP, MSN, SIP, sipphone.com and Yahoo. Mar 08 19:59:28 i dont see that Mar 08 19:59:36 in account setup ? Mar 08 19:59:39 yes Mar 08 19:59:44 did you install rfcom-beta? Mar 08 19:59:50 no Mar 08 20:00:02 then you wouldn't be expecting to see that list, would you? :-) Mar 08 20:00:22 well that acoount haze package added options Mar 08 20:00:34 yes, but it's only part of the full update Mar 08 20:00:38 so id assume it would add that too Mar 08 20:00:42 ahhh Mar 08 20:00:43 k Mar 08 20:04:48 Hey, isit possible to install OS2008 onto the n770 at this time? Mar 08 20:05:55 no Mar 08 20:06:24 it is possible to install OS2008HE Mar 08 20:06:57 fuck it Mar 08 20:07:04 * LinuxCode installs rtcom Mar 08 20:07:15 is it worth it pupnik ? Mar 08 20:07:19 now i can sync gpe Mar 08 20:07:51 its not such a big deal anymore Mar 08 20:08:08 never tried it admin_ Mar 08 20:08:13 ah Mar 08 20:08:31 you using os2007he? Mar 08 20:09:51 no, just plain '06 Mar 08 20:14:05 same here Mar 08 20:14:15 but integrating apps in to the 06 menu is kind of a pain Mar 08 20:14:28 hey pupnik .. that issue might be arch related Mar 08 20:14:41 ? Mar 08 20:14:46 I have a e-uae compiled for amd64..dont work on intel Mar 08 20:14:54 compiled my own ..works Mar 08 20:15:04 it also stays black and dies...the amd64 Mar 08 20:15:07 but the menu shows Mar 08 20:15:15 you are using n800 LinuxCode ? Mar 08 20:15:18 i have to save and then use mine to play Mar 08 20:15:21 no n810 Mar 08 20:15:28 ok same here Mar 08 20:15:34 hmm k Mar 08 20:16:13 ok rtcom installed Mar 08 20:16:24 and indeed it shows irc Mar 08 20:16:25 hehe Mar 08 20:16:26 wicked Mar 08 20:22:45 AHa Mar 08 20:22:48 Hahah Mar 08 20:22:52 any good? Mar 08 20:23:02 On the n810 now Mar 08 20:23:06 Yeh Mar 08 20:23:08 Heheh Mar 08 20:23:26 Wish the nicks were on the right though Mar 08 20:25:27 /Whois linuxcode Mar 08 20:25:36 Hmm Mar 08 20:25:39 Heheh Mar 08 20:26:28 how do I flash a FIASCO image, I have that flasher program Mar 08 20:27:40 Hey can somebody say something in 10 seconds ? Mar 08 20:27:46 ? Mar 08 20:27:56 Thx Mar 08 20:28:01 heh Mar 08 20:28:05 It makes a sound Mar 08 20:28:17 But does not show the led Mar 08 20:28:20 Hmmm Mar 08 20:28:24 Pitty Mar 08 20:28:31 8) Mar 08 20:28:40 :) ;) 8) :X Mar 08 20:28:43 Lol Mar 08 20:28:43 oh, got it Mar 08 20:28:51 Got icons though Mar 08 20:28:54 * admin_ watches 2008HE wreck his n770 :D Mar 08 20:29:04 admin_: :) Mar 08 20:29:27 dang, seems so slow, sending rootfd image @ 643 kB/s Mar 08 20:29:34 *rootfs Mar 08 20:30:03 I removed he2008, Mar 08 20:30:37 swichted back to 2007 and still have problems with the wifi Mar 08 20:30:46 heh Mar 08 20:30:57 yeah, I hve wifi probs, can't connect to some networks :/ Mar 08 20:31:46 the good new is that I will be running mamona perhaps as soon as next week Mar 08 20:31:48 OMG, it's done :D Mar 08 20:31:52 ooo the kernel bar is blue Mar 08 20:33:03 Hmmm Mar 08 20:33:17 Can only use one account though Mar 08 20:33:21 oo it's pretty :D Mar 08 20:33:33 well, I'm still doing setup Mar 08 20:37:16 hmm Mar 08 20:37:21 it's very nice, but kinda slow :P Mar 08 20:38:36 * admin_ tries 2007HE Mar 08 20:38:57 admin_: i think you have to enable swap to make 2008he usable Mar 08 20:39:10 think that's why it's a bit slow? Mar 08 20:39:35 yeah.. the ones using it told so Mar 08 20:39:49 hmm ok Mar 08 20:40:53 re Mar 08 20:41:07 omg, hey KotCzarny Mar 08 20:41:11 hi Mar 08 20:41:49 Hello Mar 08 20:43:12 can I some see whats the N800 battery charging status like in off-the-shelf ubuntu command acpi tells the status Mar 08 20:43:27 yes Mar 08 20:43:28 some=somehow Mar 08 20:43:33 but you will have to use my util Mar 08 20:43:34 :) Mar 08 20:44:02 and its expensive I guess Mar 08 20:44:32 well Mar 08 20:44:34 that depends Mar 08 20:45:09 how much do you have? Mar 08 20:45:24 I can tell the battery level to you in return Mar 08 20:46:49 sounds good Mar 08 20:48:20 mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/kcbatt/kcbatt Mar 08 20:48:37 what it really shows is battery voltage Mar 08 20:49:31 so percentage is estimated Mar 08 20:49:50 battery empty starts around 350 Mar 08 20:49:55 battery full is around 550 Mar 08 20:52:08 ah, and it has to be updated to show charging status Mar 08 20:54:45 updated? I just run that suspicious executable and output is sensible: retu-adc #8:559 batt: 95% ====== Mar 08 20:55:07 battery is more than full Mar 08 20:55:20 it's just my guessing Mar 08 20:55:30 as i said retu-adc show battery voltage Mar 08 20:55:34 not 'remaining charge' Mar 08 20:55:45 but it can be estimated from voltage Mar 08 20:56:14 while charging it can to up to ~600-620 Mar 08 21:00:53 helo :) Mar 08 21:01:03 hello to be exact :) Mar 08 21:01:06 hey guys, how do I pair up my n770 through bluetooth, but the other thing has no PIN Mar 08 21:01:11 yo Kot Mar 08 21:01:15 ehlo Mar 08 21:01:52 KotCzarny: Do you sleep at all ;-) Mar 08 21:02:04 an hour or two Mar 08 21:02:16 admin_: the other side usually has a default pin, try 0000 or 1111 or 1234 Mar 08 21:03:03 KotCzarny: Have you made any progress with uae ? Mar 08 21:03:08 yes, i guess Mar 08 21:03:14 i have hacked dpad/keys support Mar 08 21:03:26 and pupnik made it run 10-20% faster Mar 08 21:03:27 :) Mar 08 21:03:35 wow :) Mar 08 21:03:44 KotCzarny: is it on your home serv ? Mar 08 21:03:47 yes Mar 08 21:03:51 KotCzarny: I can see some activity :) Mar 08 21:03:55 read new readme :) Mar 08 21:04:18 ok Mar 08 21:04:35 do I need all archives ? data, lib and uae4all ? Mar 08 21:04:45 only exec Mar 08 21:05:03 assuming you have esddsp and data dir already Mar 08 21:05:16 KotCzarny: any solution for the mouse? just started to look into it.. Mar 08 21:05:20 jott: awfull. Mar 08 21:05:33 ami supports max movements per update of +/-127 Mar 08 21:05:40 yep i do have those already Mar 08 21:06:00 and to get more one need to do mousehack Mar 08 21:06:05 and it's ugly. Mar 08 21:06:27 with mousehack the mouse jumps around :& Mar 08 21:06:28 KotCzarny: I suppose if the mouse cannot be hacked easily then perhaps you can use one of the top keys to switch dpad modes between joystick and mouse emulation ? Mar 08 21:06:40 so the curson can be moved with dpad Mar 08 21:06:43 cursor Mar 08 21:07:05 yuck.. dpad is so unusable for anything but scrolling :P Mar 08 21:07:42 jott: yep but for the time being it might suffice, I suppose without someone from amiga community rewriting mousehack for maemo specificaly Mar 08 21:07:52 it's gonna be hard to emulate the mouse correctly... Mar 08 21:08:13 maemo is nothing special Mar 08 21:08:13 i have started adding some kind of mouse queue Mar 08 21:08:24 btw. mousehack works Mar 08 21:08:38 but the problem is that it first clicks. then moves Mar 08 21:08:55 KotCzarny: Maybe solution from straciatella might be usefull ? Mar 08 21:09:01 hmm? Mar 08 21:09:15 KotCzarny: btw, which bin is the best one ? uae4all-g or just uae4all ? Mar 08 21:09:17 hmm it does not seem to work here :/ Mar 08 21:09:25 -g is a version made for pupnik Mar 08 21:09:38 get new uae4all.gz Mar 08 21:09:42 ok Mar 08 21:09:44 thanks Mar 08 21:09:51 wrks Mar 08 21:09:52 ;-] Mar 08 21:11:30 this is a very exciting thing Mar 08 21:11:30 pupnik: hello :) Mar 08 21:11:46 hi! Mar 08 21:12:01 KotCzarny, omg..what did i miss ? Mar 08 21:12:02 pupnik: uae :) Thanks :) Mar 08 21:12:04 i'm going to poke around with sound tonight Mar 08 21:12:12 KotCzarny did the work Mar 08 21:12:17 linuxcode: everything? Mar 08 21:12:18 :) Mar 08 21:12:20 * spirytusick grins Mar 08 21:12:33 uae..where when why what ? Mar 08 21:12:40 pupnik: do you think we will be able to ditch esddsp ? Mar 08 21:12:43 there's not much between this and real solid Mar 08 21:13:01 uh i suppose Mar 08 21:13:13 anyone have a link to good list of OS2007 repos? Mar 08 21:13:23 http://pastebin.ca/934412 profile for uae4all in-game (animations, scrolling) Mar 08 21:13:40 admin_: see the topic :) Mar 08 21:13:45 brb Mar 08 21:14:05 so uae works now ? Mar 08 21:14:07 :D Mar 08 21:14:08 we may be better off running stereo mode, but i need a way to get more accurate fps data on the backend Mar 08 21:14:53 LinuxCode: it works at nearly or exactly the full speeds with sound (with a little hickup for the time being) Mar 08 21:15:15 for me the mouse still does not work :~( Mar 08 21:15:24 yeah, mouse needs work Mar 08 21:15:29 whats the link ? Mar 08 21:15:47 I just rejoined and missed all the excitement Mar 08 21:15:51 KotCzarny: do you know how this mousehack_helper is supposed to work? Mar 08 21:15:52 ;-[ Mar 08 21:15:59 yes Mar 08 21:16:07 there are 3 versions of it in the code Mar 08 21:16:11 it does not seem to be called Mar 08 21:16:12 each has it's quirks Mar 08 21:16:34 i think 'follow mouse' is the closest Mar 08 21:16:40 but it needs events queue Mar 08 21:16:52 to put click at the end of sub movements Mar 08 21:17:07 ie. if moving 400px right Mar 08 21:17:11 it just gives quite arbitrary values :/ Mar 08 21:17:15 it moves it in 3 steps Mar 08 21:17:20 jott: sorry, no go Mar 08 21:17:36 unless you add hack from winuae Mar 08 21:17:39 to do that Mar 08 21:18:13 winuae does handle absolute mouse movement? Mar 08 21:18:26 i have seen in stock uae/e-uae some kick.rom functions added Mar 08 21:18:38 that will take arbitrary positions Mar 08 21:18:47 not only +/-127 max Mar 08 21:18:50 hmm.. Mar 08 21:19:05 i may be wrong, source is available :> Mar 08 21:19:14 yeah.. checking Mar 08 21:19:17 brb. Mar 08 21:24:05 Guys: Good Job, Arte runs so much smoother right now!!! Thanks Mar 08 21:26:05 ok, will see you guys later, I am going to test some old adf images... Mar 08 21:26:39 "test" Mar 08 21:26:41 rofl Mar 08 21:26:44 more like game Mar 08 21:32:36 im off ..nn all Mar 08 21:32:52 cu LinuxCode Mar 08 21:32:57 ;-] Mar 08 21:36:10 KotCzarny: also in menu file browser there needs to be way to abort (esc) out of it Mar 08 21:36:27 yeah, i have also noticed that Mar 08 21:36:37 probably on full keyboard there's a key for that Mar 08 21:36:42 :) Mar 08 21:37:17 how about esc to exit and +/- to pgup/pgdown? Mar 08 21:37:25 nice idea Mar 08 21:37:32 or maybe left/right would be easier Mar 08 21:37:43 oh left/right already does that! Mar 08 21:37:44 yeah, links like browsing Mar 08 21:37:44 lol Mar 08 21:37:48 :) Mar 08 21:37:57 i was clicking down like 100 times Mar 08 21:38:47 autorepeat would be nice too Mar 08 21:38:48 :) Mar 08 21:41:20 even easier is specifying adf on cmd line Mar 08 21:41:20 ;) Mar 08 21:42:04 hi there Mar 08 21:42:08 im back :) Mar 08 21:43:20 johnx: i did try to install the modules, but i got unresolved symols Mar 08 21:43:43 here is the exact error Mar 08 21:43:43 cannot insert 'iptable_nat.ko': Unknown symbol in module (-1): No such file or directory Mar 08 21:45:12 Dazgard: dmesg will show you which symbols are unresolved, maybe that will give a hint what is missing. Mar 08 21:46:05 nf_nat and nf_conntrack modules maybe. Mar 08 21:46:06 yep Mar 08 21:46:25 and ip_tables Mar 08 21:46:59 ok, the error seems to be related to nf_conntrack_untracked Mar 08 21:47:08 that's cool Mar 08 21:48:32 get depmod and use modprobe, that makes things easier ;) Mar 08 21:53:11 jott: i'll put every required command in a shel script :) Mar 08 21:54:14 ugh, wtf is with this, I put 2006 back on there, if I try to install a package, it'll DL it, then say can't instal ~_~ Mar 08 21:55:46 jott: or perhaps you're right :'( Mar 08 21:58:03 how can i add file to /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/, teh directory is RO Mar 08 21:58:06 the Mar 08 21:58:12 you can't Mar 08 21:58:22 but you can use /lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/ Mar 08 21:58:27 and it will work Mar 08 21:58:48 modprobe etc. Mar 08 21:58:59 ok. good night people Mar 08 22:00:05 Dazgard: http://sse2.net/depmod Mar 08 22:00:21 :( Mar 08 22:01:40 is it possible to mount a iso-image on n810? Mar 08 22:01:46 yes Mar 08 22:02:00 (but i'm off to bed now) Mar 08 22:02:01 without extra modules? Mar 08 22:02:14 locusf: nope Mar 08 22:02:16 * spirytusick is back Mar 08 22:02:17 ok Mar 08 22:02:23 iso9660 or fuse is required Mar 08 22:05:15 wtf... getting lots of segfaults now.. but not every time, just 95% of the time Mar 08 22:05:37 apparently I needed to install xterm before all else Mar 08 22:06:07 pupnik: same here Mar 08 22:06:20 pupnik: check if the disk image you are trying to load is not packed with anything Mar 08 22:06:39 pupnik: I was trying to use dms'ed images but they crash uae everytime Mar 08 22:06:54 these are images that worked fine an hour ago Mar 08 22:07:31 pupnik: just so you know, ehb and ham modes are a little messed up colourwise and some trashing Mar 08 22:07:43 ok Mar 08 22:08:29 pupnik: try game unreal and walker, i've took some screenshots if you want Mar 08 22:09:21 pupnik: it might be uae4all bugs, not specific maemo error, I have got no gp2x to try... :( Mar 08 22:10:58 [Switching to Thread 1073794048 (LWP 1461)] Mar 08 22:10:58 unrecognized_callback () at src/m68k/cyclone/m68k_intrf.cpp:231 Mar 08 22:10:59 231 uae_u16 arg = *(uae_u16 *)(pc+2); Mar 08 22:11:33 the walls are going bendy Mar 08 22:12:44 ok it's something nasty about the kickstart Mar 08 22:13:57 btw spirytusick you can page forward in the file browser with right-dpad Mar 08 22:15:05 pupnik: ql thanks, I will test some more games and demos tonight.. nostalgia can be fun :) Mar 08 22:16:52 thanks guys Mar 08 22:17:08 does someone have "/lib/iptables/libipt_MASQUERADE.so" please ? Mar 08 22:38:50 * Cymor is away: afk Mar 08 23:12:36 hey again, I removed the whole osso-chat, as I never use it. now I'm left with a blank area where it used to be ( http://imagebin.org/14686 ) Any ideas how to fix that? Mar 08 23:12:53 white out? Mar 08 23:12:58 yeah Mar 08 23:12:58 maybe a sticker or something Mar 08 23:13:01 lol Mar 08 23:13:01 :P Mar 08 23:13:47 hmm, I was thinking there's a menu conf. file somewhere :) Mar 08 23:31:25 admin_ you have plenty of ram on your nokia :) Mar 08 23:32:26 have you tried rebooting Mar 08 23:34:16 yeah Mar 08 23:34:59 no luck lcuk_3 :( Mar 08 23:35:32 can you rearrange the panels on the 770? on my 810 i can configure that area from control panel/panels if you have similar you could try going in and resaving it Mar 08 23:38:46 test Mar 08 23:40:01 according to the RFC on internet connectivity the international statement for checking should be "ping" Mar 08 23:40:58 lcuk_3, pong :) Mar 08 23:41:32 first time with xchat on 810? Mar 08 23:42:40 lcuk_3, oh no I'm an old timer, this was with the latest pidgin Mar 08 23:43:02 cool Mar 08 23:43:06 lcuk_3, couldn't find an option to auto connect to multiple chans Mar 08 23:43:14 * Brains tried out pidgin the other day, wasn't too thrilled. Figured xchat would be the next one to check out. Mar 08 23:43:33 Brains, yeah I use xchat :) Mar 08 23:43:42 xchat works pretty much like you expect it to, apart from there isnt too much space to list chans or users Mar 08 23:43:58 * Brains was debating on looking up BitchX for the N810... Mar 08 23:44:29 also, the grey on white for your own text really doesn't stand out on the 810 screen Mar 08 23:44:33 im trying to disable the link navigation and its not working Mar 08 23:44:56 magicrobotmonkey, you mentioned this earlier before i went out - ill try and find the deb i installed Mar 08 23:45:51 heh i just read the comment at the top of prefs.js Mar 08 23:45:57 ssh+irssi is all you need. Mar 08 23:46:21 yea thats what i use Mar 08 23:48:02 lcuk_3: i got it now, just had to rtfm Mar 08 23:48:08 thanks Mar 08 23:48:25 now reader will be useable Mar 08 23:49:19 and theres me just finding what i needed... Mar 08 23:49:39 i best post it here anyway (the bug and a link to the .deb ) Mar 08 23:49:53 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2423#c7 Mar 09 00:03:55 thx, lcuk_3 Mar 09 00:04:27 while im here, does anyone know how to open a link from the term? Mar 09 00:06:04 without copy/pasting, i mean Mar 09 00:08:10 Hmm... Why does it seem that most of the multimedia stuff looks only at either the internal memory or the SD cards? I mean, I can't be the only one that is mounting a network drive... Mar 09 00:10:12 * pupnik cries like a baby - a hungry, angry baby Mar 09 00:10:21 :( Mar 09 00:18:10 well i gots rid of teh segfaults. doesn't crash anymore Mar 09 00:18:20 but it does give a nice black screen 100% of the time Mar 09 00:18:31 genius! thankyouu. Mar 09 00:19:51 i got the mouse almost working :) Mar 09 00:20:01 awesome Mar 09 00:20:19 have you seen frequent non-determinate segfaults on this line ? Mar 09 00:20:26 uae_u16 arg = *(uae_u16 *)(pc+2); Mar 09 00:20:34 i think its almost impossible to do the mouse 100% right.. Mar 09 00:20:40 hmm not yet.. no Mar 09 00:20:41 in cyclone/m68k_intrf.cpp Mar 09 00:21:00 might have something to do with my compile-time flags Mar 09 00:21:08 notice it's doing pointer stuff Mar 09 00:21:22 maybe you do not execute 68000 code? Mar 09 00:21:45 cyclone does not support enhanced instruction sets.. Mar 09 00:21:49 -falign-loops=2 -falign-functions=2 -falign-jumps=2 Mar 09 00:23:22 have you a modified makefile jott? Mar 09 00:23:26 i talked with the maintainer of pocketuae and he has the same problem with the mouse Mar 09 00:23:39 yeah that's important work you doing Mar 09 00:23:50 not really the one from KotCzarny Mar 09 00:24:21 the problem is, that the mouse hack is sprite based (i.e. tracks the mouse sprite) Mar 09 00:24:50 but the hotspot of the sprite is always assumed to be the upper left corner Mar 09 00:24:58 and lemmings uses this crosshair Mar 09 00:26:08 how about a button toggle to enable calibrate mode Mar 09 00:26:09 maybe i could add some extra settings to the menu, like mouse offset x/y Mar 09 00:26:21 and user just clicks on position of screen where current poitner is Mar 09 00:26:25 crosshair *or* arrow Mar 09 00:26:32 yeah might be another way Mar 09 00:27:19 if there is an easy way to leave the emulation state Mar 09 00:28:21 <|thunder> yay Mar 09 00:28:25 <|thunder> maemo Mar 09 00:28:59 may the source be with you! Mar 09 00:29:04 jott i don't see it offhand, but whenever it enters menu mode, the emulation is paused Mar 09 00:29:23 yeah i guess one could track what happens there :) Mar 09 00:29:26 <|thunder> hey all, kismet_client wont start. Says xterm is missing. What can I sym link to which will cover that ? ln -s osso-xterm didnt work Mar 09 00:29:43 i can't even get the bastich to run now Mar 09 00:30:11 what OS |thunder Mar 09 00:30:18 <|thunder> os2008 Mar 09 00:30:23 k, i have no idea Mar 09 00:30:57 <|thunder> lol, what about anyother os ? Mar 09 00:31:01 maybe a shell script? #!/bin/sh osso-xterm $@ ? Mar 09 00:31:21 <|thunder> i have to tp be able to get nano to install Mar 09 00:31:30 <|thunder> hrm, may I can echo > it Mar 09 00:31:51 or use vi :) .. Mar 09 00:32:06 <|thunder> never figured that one out ;p Mar 09 00:32:22 but echo -e "#!/bin/sh\nosso-xterm $@" should also work :) Mar 09 00:32:22 is it supposed to work under 08? Mar 09 00:32:54 <|thunder> ya Mar 09 00:33:14 erm .. echo -e '#!/bin/sh\nosso-xterm $@' > xterm Mar 09 00:33:25 <|thunder> :) Mar 09 00:35:04 <|thunder> just says permission denied, and im root Mar 09 00:35:53 rm the link :) Mar 09 00:39:32 kickstart 1.2 jott? Mar 09 00:39:52 the only working for me so far is 3.1 :/ Mar 09 00:40:12 the rest segfault after boot? Mar 09 00:40:14 others crashed with illegal 68k jumps.. Mar 09 00:40:18 ok! Mar 09 00:41:01 that makes me very happy Mar 09 00:41:48 well the cyclone core is far from perfect ;) Mar 09 00:42:01 but its fast :) Mar 09 00:43:59 <|thunder> ohh, i almost didnt recognize you Mar 09 00:48:16 haha Mar 09 01:01:38 <|thunder> elb, you play urban terror 4 ? Mar 09 01:08:38 no? Mar 09 01:08:57 jott: i may have a workaround - still testing. using the same discs and kickstarts, i seem to avoid segfaults if i boot up the emu first without a floppy inserted - let the picture prompt come up, then insert the floppy image Mar 09 01:09:09 ah Mar 09 01:09:40 i think your idea might work (calibrate with extra click) Mar 09 01:09:40 .... maybe your disk image has a bootblock virus o.O Mar 09 01:10:30 was there an amiga disk without a virus?! :P Mar 09 01:10:38 lol Mar 09 01:11:06 i used to have noclick bootblocks and some other crap as well Mar 09 01:18:09 i have no amiga experience. just like to watch the blinkenlights Mar 09 01:20:13 jott if you ever find cycle-counter register (something more accurate than a time() function) please let me know Mar 09 01:21:20 i forgot what it's called on the pentium Mar 09 01:22:13 pupnik: clock() does not work? Mar 09 01:23:01 hrm didn't know that Mar 09 01:23:25 ty Mar 09 01:27:30 woot mouse calibration seems to work Mar 09 01:27:48 * jott finally plays lemmings :) Mar 09 01:27:49 awesome Mar 09 01:28:06 has little glitches but overall seems fine Mar 09 01:28:23 lemmings?! Mar 09 01:28:28 on amiga :) Mar 09 01:28:33 not on maemo? Mar 09 01:28:34 uae Mar 09 01:28:41 mean! Mar 09 01:28:42 runs super smooth and nice :) Mar 09 01:28:50 * doc|home wants lemmings :( Mar 09 01:29:06 well i do some clean-up Mar 09 01:29:19 i guess we get a really nice uae this weekend :) Mar 09 01:30:01 i'm still not sure on how to process mouse clicks.. Mar 09 01:30:28 it's really nice for lemmings to have an instant click but workbench would probably be better with manual clicks :) Mar 09 01:31:01 and it might be nice to have some visual feedback for my mouse calibration :) Mar 09 01:31:19 great stuff. what else is on your todo/wishlist jott? Mar 09 01:31:20 currently it justs holds the emulator and expects a mouse click on the hotspot of the mouse :) Mar 09 01:31:26 well i guess sound Mar 09 01:31:34 and .. better resolution handling i guess Mar 09 01:31:42 different backend? not oss? Mar 09 01:31:49 or fixed lower frequency / buffer? Mar 09 01:31:55 i'd really like to hear stereo Mar 09 01:31:59 well yeah just use sdl_mixer or something Mar 09 01:32:30 i've heard/seen bad things about sdl_mixer Mar 09 01:32:42 well actually my n810 is muted most of the time anyway :) Mar 09 01:32:56 hm yeah there are probably better solutions Mar 09 01:33:33 lemmings runs so incredible nice :) Mar 09 01:34:00 * jott has to test syndicate Mar 09 01:35:33 i wonder what the best solution would be to make the calibration usability wise.. Mar 09 01:35:46 actually esd mix_mono_16s_to_stereo_32s_sv only took 0.55% time in my last run Mar 09 01:36:04 do you have to recalibrate after calibrating once? Mar 09 01:36:17 in-game Mar 09 01:36:28 well you have to calibrate on every change of the mouse pointer Mar 09 01:36:49 (or to be more exact on the change of the hotspot of the mouse pointer) Mar 09 01:36:58 i guess binding it to a button then Mar 09 01:37:15 yeah currently the fullscreen button has to be pressed Mar 09 01:38:04 after that it waits for a click on the hotspot and continiues emulation Mar 09 01:38:33 sounds optimal to me Mar 09 01:38:46 http://www.mrdictionary.net/lemmings/ <- also a nice project but probably bigger porting effort Mar 09 01:42:20 "You rescued 100% WOW! You saved every Lemming. TOTALLY EXCELLENT!" hehe those where the days :) Mar 09 01:48:46 Hi Mar 09 01:48:53 hi Mar 09 01:49:01 Guys with the N770. How do you deal with the transfer rate? Mar 09 01:49:15 For me to transfer 500MB it takes hours! Mar 09 01:49:46 a card reader for PC is fastest Mar 09 01:50:04 Will an SD slot fir the microsd cards with that attachment? Mar 09 01:50:08 there is a hacked kernel that can speed up mmc speed many times Mar 09 01:50:13 770 uses RSMMC Mar 09 01:51:10 the standard kernel writes to mmc slightly faster than an old-style floppy drive :| Mar 09 01:51:18 What is the hacked kernel? Mar 09 01:52:01 Sorry Mar 09 01:52:03 My laptop died Mar 09 01:52:32 http://fanoush.webpark.cz/maemo/ see kernel-sdhc Mar 09 01:53:45 I guess I have to find my card writer Mar 09 01:54:10 Why didn't people mention the slow write speeds when reviewing the N770. It seems kind of obvious that that is a flaw Mar 09 01:54:46 did you find the flaw in the first few hours of use? Mar 09 01:55:02 Yes Mar 09 01:55:11 As soon as I tried loading a 10MB file Mar 09 01:55:23 Now I get errors when transferring 500MB files Mar 09 01:55:32 that's a known problem Mar 09 01:55:39 ... Mar 09 01:55:55 i gave you the link to the fix Mar 09 01:56:11 Pauline92, fortunately nokia noticed the problem and have released a couple of patches since the original n770 ;) Mar 09 01:56:17 It says it may make my N770 inoperable Mar 09 01:56:36 Which patches in particular lcuk_3? Mar 09 01:56:48 n800 and n810 Mar 09 01:56:54 lol Mar 09 01:57:14 as for your actual problem, are you running the original os2006? Mar 09 01:57:22 lcuk_3 - yes Mar 09 01:57:49 im not sure if it makes a difference, but have you looked at using on the the later hacker editions? Mar 09 01:58:32 I didn't know if they'd speed things up Mar 09 01:59:04 nor do i. the person to really ask would be GeneralAntilles, he seems to have every version of every nokia tablet available Mar 09 01:59:14 OK Mar 09 01:59:22 GeneralAntilles! Mar 09 02:01:50 hmmmm just did a scrollback, doesnt look like hes been on for a day or so (unusual cos hes normally lurking) Mar 09 02:06:30 wb unique311 Mar 09 02:06:39 just the person i was looking for. Mar 09 02:06:45 i need help with dosbox Mar 09 02:06:46 * pupnik hides Mar 09 02:06:48 ah ok Mar 09 02:06:49 lol Mar 09 02:06:59 i want to run a game Mar 09 02:07:19 but it requires a maindisk to be loaded before i load the game Mar 09 02:07:28 xkbd is not playing nice Mar 09 02:07:53 yeah it's brokenz Mar 09 02:08:16 so like - it needs a floppy image in drive A: ? Mar 09 02:08:41 you can mount a directory as a particular drive Mar 09 02:08:50 so if it's not copy protected do something like Mar 09 02:08:50 yes Mar 09 02:09:01 mount A: /path/to/game/dir Mar 09 02:09:26 ok Mar 09 02:09:37 you can also put that in /usr/share/dosbox/automount.conf Mar 09 02:10:13 so load the main disk with rubybox Mar 09 02:10:32 and when it ask for the floppy Mar 09 02:10:57 ithe mount A: should cover that Mar 09 02:11:13 s/ithe/the Mar 09 02:12:57 /home/user$ mount A: /home/user/pinball.EXE Mar 09 02:12:57 mount: A: Unknown host Mar 09 02:39:36 jott: still awake? Mar 09 02:39:44 yep Mar 09 02:39:50 more or less atleast :) Mar 09 02:40:15 have you tried the 'run uae4all before selecting disk' trick with some kickstarts? Mar 09 02:40:24 not yet.. let me test Mar 09 02:42:08 hmm yeah seems to work here too Mar 09 02:42:24 let me confirm Mar 09 02:43:01 hm no :/ Mar 09 02:43:11 does not work . Mar 09 02:43:13 ok Mar 09 02:43:14 atleast Mar 09 02:43:21 not with the one i just tested Mar 09 02:43:42 well at least i have a workaround that works for me Mar 09 02:43:57 // do we really need to do this? I've seen some cores never clearing the upper bits Mar 09 02:44:00 // and pushing them, etc. But in that case kickstart 1.3 hangs because cmp @ fc090e fails. Mar 09 02:44:03 hm :p Mar 09 02:44:54 stereo sound seems to be as fast - but here it's quitting after about 1 minute Mar 09 02:45:30 you can enable here Mar 09 02:45:31 src/sound_gp2x.cpp:275: if (gp2x_start_sound(sound_rate, 16, 1) != 0) // ARNIM try stereo Mar 09 02:45:35 src/sound_gp2x.cpp:290: if (gp2x_start_sound(sound_rate, 16, 1) != 0) Mar 09 02:46:56 in the end it would be nice to not abstract from gp2x :/ .. its a mess that GP2X is defined for N8x0 Mar 09 02:47:05 erm to Mar 09 02:47:17 anyway.. its starts to get messy this way :) Mar 09 02:47:21 sure Mar 09 02:47:52 anyway.. i'm happy as i can finally play lemmings now ;) Mar 09 02:48:23 there's lemmings for gp2x? Mar 09 02:48:38 yeah that's a very welcome fixup jott Mar 09 02:48:41 there is an amiga emulator for gp2x :) Mar 09 02:48:52 well lemmings came out for amiga? Mar 09 02:49:01 I only played PC and nintendo versions :) Mar 09 02:49:12 hehe the amiga version was the best version of all :) Mar 09 02:49:18 sweet Mar 09 02:49:18 (2 player mode) Mar 09 02:49:26 there's pingus which just got ported Mar 09 02:49:28 to os2008 Mar 09 02:49:32 pingus isn't as fun Mar 09 02:49:37 yeah but lemmings is much nicer :) Mar 09 02:49:44 indeed Mar 09 02:49:55 where could I find amiga lemmings? Mar 09 02:50:11 ebay or google i suppose ;> Mar 09 02:50:41 er yeah this is a semi official place Mar 09 02:50:42 nm Mar 09 02:56:36 is there a utility that modifies OS 2008's capitalization behaviour? Mar 09 02:56:58 it seems to want to capitalize every first letter in a sentence. Mar 09 02:58:21 meh .. not set up for stereo Mar 09 02:58:42 * pupnik snuffles around the web for answers Mar 09 02:58:46 christefano it's in control panel Mar 09 02:59:18 under text input settings Mar 09 02:59:39 languages -> settings Mar 09 02:59:51 thanks! I see it right there Mar 09 02:59:57 np Mar 09 03:00:01 I turned off word prediction Mar 09 03:00:13 that way I don't get an annoying bar when I use my 810's keyboard Mar 09 03:00:18 I'm doing that, too. it takes up screen real estate Mar 09 03:00:30 you really gain a lot Mar 09 03:00:57 are you considering a BT keyboard? Mar 09 03:01:13 almost everyone on my team where I work has an 810.. one is getting a simple palm bt keyboard Mar 09 03:01:17 I'm thinking about the iGo Mar 09 03:01:18 not sure if I want to Mar 09 03:01:27 they're going away.. been discontinued 2-3 weeks now Mar 09 03:01:33 very rare Mar 09 03:01:45 the iGo bluetooth keyboard? Mar 09 03:01:48 I wish these had infrared built in Mar 09 03:01:49 yep Mar 09 03:02:06 IR keyboards were the shit back in the day Mar 09 03:02:12 jott: also it's possible to run the renderer at native amiga resolution and have xsp scaling do non-integer stretching for free Mar 09 03:02:23 right now the bottom is cut off of some games/demos Mar 09 03:02:33 pupnik: yep i also had this thought Mar 09 03:05:53 KotCzarny / pupnik: http://sse2.net/uae_mouse_patch.diff first version Mar 09 03:06:11 was just going to ask :) Mar 09 03:08:04 jott, another question. do you think it might be possible for the cyclone core to use vfp to perform maths? Mar 09 03:08:26 or did amiga games rarely use FP Mar 09 03:09:55 uhm 68k had no fpu but with full instruction support vfp might become handy :) Mar 09 03:10:17 but i guess this would be a bit more involved :) Mar 09 03:10:26 yeah just curious Mar 09 03:10:52 so is gp2x an amiga emulator? Mar 09 03:10:58 or gp2x is a different platform? Mar 09 03:11:01 no it's a handheld gaming device Mar 09 03:11:02 right Mar 09 03:11:15 so is there a good amiga emulator for os2008? Mar 09 03:11:49 but many gp2x ports use sdl so its sometimes possible to backport gp2x optimized ports to NITs :) Mar 09 03:12:20 RayTracer`: work in progress :) Mar 09 03:12:56 ahhhh Mar 09 03:12:57 KotCzarny found a nice gp2x uae port with optimized emulation core Mar 09 03:13:00 same cpu and screen, diff OS? Mar 09 03:13:02 right Mar 09 03:13:31 so we try to make it run on n8x0 atm Mar 09 03:13:42 (make it usable) Mar 09 03:13:50 mouse should work now more or less Mar 09 03:14:00 my brain hurtz.. is audio.cpp mixing everything to mono? :| Mar 09 03:14:00 atleast it's possible to play lemmings :) Mar 09 03:14:18 * Cymor is back (gone 04:35:27) Mar 09 03:17:23 there's an AUDxLCL and AUDxLCH but no AUDxRCL and AUDxRCH. maybe that's a hint Mar 09 03:19:08 they really changed it from stock UAE Mar 09 03:19:47 pretty sure it's mono-only Mar 09 03:22:31 is GP2X a mono device? Mar 09 03:23:14 nah can't be Mar 09 03:25:37 it's not a big deal anyway Mar 09 03:25:58 just would be nice to have Mar 09 03:31:40 just looks like it'll require real work :) Mar 09 03:33:42 * Cymor is away: afk **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Mar 09 04:41:09 2008 Mar 09 05:19:22 greets Mar 09 05:19:26 anyone here tonight? Mar 09 05:22:30 yo Mar 09 05:28:46 ok top is reporting esd using 2.9% cpu converting 22khz uae to 44 Mar 09 05:36:17 hello Mar 09 05:36:46 is there a channel to ask stuff about maemo mapper or should i just ask here? Mar 09 05:41:15 yes Mar 09 05:41:44 ok Mar 09 05:42:12 also try searching internettablettalk.com Mar 09 05:42:16 so how do i get maemo mapper to download everything i need for a route so that when i leave my house and lose my internet connection it doesnt complain Mar 09 05:42:41 i dunno - maybe someone else does Mar 09 05:42:56 ah okay Mar 09 06:02:32 KotCzarny: awake? Mar 09 07:33:42 hello, is there something like a "umts-mouse modem" with bluetooth that i dont need a handy for that? Mar 09 07:35:35 yes i've seen a picture of one in use in eastern europe Mar 09 07:36:00 s/mouse// Mar 09 07:36:22 google "umts modem" Mar 09 07:36:49 maybe it was usb based, i forgot Mar 09 07:46:02 pupnik, http://www.moobicent.de/uploads/pics/teaser_usb-easy-box_528x180px.jpg you mean this? Mar 09 07:47:39 what I saw looked different Mar 09 08:14:42 why would I upgrade my N810 from 50-2 to 51-3? Mar 09 08:15:48 because it's there ! Mar 09 08:16:28 a good reason from much people but I'd rather see some convincing arguments (like a changelog or so) Mar 09 08:18:33 oke there is one: http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/maemo_4_0_1_released.html: no changes Mar 09 08:24:41 BugBlue, The only reason is if you're reflashing anyways or if you have the power on/off problem it solves Mar 09 08:43:34 hi Mar 09 08:43:49 heh stupid n810 tricks.. /usr/bin/dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.mce /com/nokia/mce/request com.nokia.mce.request.req_led_pattern_activate string:"PatternPsychedelia" Mar 09 08:43:53 pretty old i guess Mar 09 08:44:12 pupnik, cool though...it's nice to have more "shell level" access to stuff Mar 09 08:44:36 BTW, I can't stop playing pingus O_o sooo addicting Mar 09 08:45:01 some of the 'training island' levels are surprisingly hard imo Mar 09 08:45:19 the developers are aware of the memory creep issue Mar 09 08:45:32 wb ssvb Mar 09 08:45:48 hi pupnik Mar 09 08:45:53 pupnik: Heh, maybe old, but new to me... Nifty. Mar 09 08:46:17 use the 'deactivate' command to deactivate Mar 09 08:46:37 ... pattern_deactivate ... Mar 09 08:46:40 Probably eats up battery at a decent rate, I suppose. Mar 09 08:47:13 ssvb have you heard of the new amiga emulator? Mar 09 08:48:18 it's pretty nifty - using auto-adjust it runs between frameskip of 2 to 3 Mar 09 08:49:16 it could really use that non-integer xsp / framebuffer scaling hack Mar 09 08:50:11 hope it gets a bit faster (a solid >20fps would be nice) Mar 09 08:53:26 morning all Mar 09 08:53:37 Morning Mar 09 08:55:02 * Brains watches the clock, awaiting that magical time that means he can sleep. Mar 09 08:56:17 I wonder what the ETA on kismet for the N8x0 is... Mar 09 09:03:45 kismet for N8x0 would be fabulous Mar 09 09:38:55 has anyone seen Alterego around here lately? Mar 09 09:55:24 not i Mar 09 10:00:13 i need a job where i hold meetings with tech people and then we discuss solutions to stuff and then everybody decides that my ideas are best Mar 09 10:00:45 and then your ideas don't get implemented anyways? Mar 09 10:01:10 :) Mar 09 10:01:37 just being realistic :) Mar 09 10:01:49 i might be filtering subconsciously but as I recall things generally worked out in the past :) Mar 09 10:02:28 but that's spoken from the position of someone who never had to actually make the call in a managerial sense Mar 09 10:02:44 pupnik: do I hear srcum ? Mar 09 10:03:11 i'm sure it's much less fun when it's your job description to do that Mar 09 10:03:15 dunno scrum Mar 09 10:03:51 ah interesting Mar 09 10:03:55 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrum_(development) Mar 09 10:04:53 hmm that link is a big of a long story Mar 09 10:05:34 but you work in small teams and the team decides how to implement , "is responsible" Mar 09 10:05:59 you meet every day and have very well palpable goals Mar 09 10:06:14 ty for the interesting term Mar 09 10:08:38 we have been using is at work for a few month now Mar 09 10:39:06 Hello! I have N800 and Transmission Bittorrent client installed. I've downloaded a .torrent file to my Videos folder and now I'm trying to open it with Transmission. The problem is that Transmission shows me the root (or something, I'm new :P) and I should browse my way to the Videos folder. I just can't find it. So does anyone know the path? I've also tried to open the torrent file straight away with Transmission but the program isn't f Mar 09 10:39:06 or some reason on the application list Mar 09 10:40:51 yes,, it is hidden Mar 09 10:41:10 /home/user/Do..??/.documents/ Mar 09 10:41:49 you can also try to save to the media card and the browse /media/mmc1 or /media/mmc2 Mar 09 10:43:58 that was a good advice, thanks! Mar 09 10:55:07 'lo Mar 09 11:31:16 what to do.. what to do... Mar 09 11:37:20 pupnik: how about making uae4all support full resolution :) Mar 09 11:37:59 hi jott just the man i wanted to see Mar 09 11:38:23 so when in a proggy that uses mouse. i hit the fullscreen button once Mar 09 11:38:28 then tap on the pointer Mar 09 11:38:43 then position is correct but scaling is off Mar 09 11:38:54 have you disabled xsp? Mar 09 11:38:58 no Mar 09 11:39:20 what do you mean by "scaling is off"? Mar 09 11:39:38 pointer movement is approx 2x stylus movement (with XSP) Mar 09 11:39:50 you did your work without xsp enabled? Mar 09 11:39:59 no it was enabled.. Mar 09 11:40:42 ok guess i'll test some more Mar 09 11:40:47 mmh Mar 09 11:40:57 the process should be repeatable, yes? Mar 09 11:41:15 yeah.. pressing fullscreen twice should reset the offset to 0,0 Mar 09 11:41:34 this was lemmin2 btw Mar 09 11:41:42 i'll test with 1 Mar 09 11:41:55 is it off 2x *after* you calibrate or all the time? Mar 09 11:42:01 all the time Mar 09 11:42:04 ok Mar 09 11:42:54 i think the scaling has to be calculated in a different way Mar 09 11:43:23 ok i'll peek at it. just wanted to confirm usage. i found roughly the problem with different sound freqs - the esd-OSS device refuses to change frequency on an opened device Mar 09 11:43:47 1) click fullscreen/windowed button, 2) tap stylus on current pointer position Mar 09 11:43:49 finished. Mar 09 11:43:50 i guess in the end it would be best to support native resultions of the amiga Mar 09 11:43:50 ? Mar 09 11:43:57 yes Mar 09 11:44:06 i.e. up to 640x400 or so Mar 09 11:44:30 and scale that to 7??x480 :) Mar 09 11:45:01 there is no 2nd tap required on the button after tapping pointer, correct? Mar 09 11:45:10 yep.. Mar 09 11:45:13 it should continue Mar 09 11:45:40 but i think it might be the problem with games in 320x200 or so.. Mar 09 11:45:46 lemmings runs hat 640x200 Mar 09 11:46:09 I managed to get it running at 22 and 11khz sound also. Could not see a difference. Problem with switching frequency on-the-go is that the OSS device needs to be fully deinitialized - esd-oss is not switching samplerate. Mar 09 11:46:16 ahh Mar 09 11:46:17 i suppose the current resolution (screen and amiga) has to be considered Mar 09 11:46:28 when getting the sdl position Mar 09 11:46:29 yes i think so too Mar 09 11:47:12 i also got led flashing with disk access, but not in the right way - :) Mar 09 11:47:21 i wonder how hard it would be to support 640x200 and use the lcd to stretch it to 7..x480 Mar 09 11:48:02 apparently the HOWTO is in mplayer source right now Mar 09 11:48:18 pupnik: for n810 you can use my ledcolor hack: http://sse2.net/ledcolor.py Mar 09 11:48:49 /usr/bin/dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.mce /com/nokia/mce/request com.nokia.mce.request.req_led_pattern_activate string:"PatternError" Mar 09 11:49:01 tht works too - but i don't know the right place to activate it Mar 09 11:49:02 ^^ is direct led access Mar 09 11:49:06 ok Mar 09 11:49:31 i.e. first open /sys/devices/platform/i2c_omap.2/i2c-0/0-0032/mode and write "direct" to it Mar 09 11:49:31 nice Mar 09 11:49:44 and then /sys/devices/platform/i2c_omap.2/i2c-0/0-0032/color and write RR:GG:BB to it Mar 09 11:51:22 this way one could even assign red to fd0 and green to fd1 or and blue to hdd or something like this ;) Mar 09 11:51:48 or green:read red:write Mar 09 11:51:52 yeah.. Mar 09 11:52:04 ty Mar 09 11:52:24 it would be nice to see more apps using the led in the n810 for instant status report Mar 09 11:53:03 we may be using suboptimal disk speed settings right now, btw Mar 09 11:53:12 see src/disk.cpp :27 static int floppy_speed = NORMAL_FLOPPY_SPEED*2; Mar 09 11:54:42 yeah well who knows if programs depend on floppy timing, not sure one can easily mess with this ;) Mar 09 13:21:51 jott: neat Mar 09 13:27:27 bah i can't concentrate Mar 09 13:32:35 wb doc|home Mar 09 13:56:33 what app does maemo use to connect via bluetooth to a cell phone and use its UTMS? Mar 09 13:59:00 jott: Notaz wrote in Jul 18, 2007: "I'm able to run Turrican at 50fps (or very near it)". That's on arm920t at ~260-290 mhz Mar 09 14:02:36 have you tested turrican? :) Mar 09 14:02:49 can't tell how fast it's going but it's pretty smooth Mar 09 14:03:21 xuser, the connection is handled by proprietary icd (something like: internet connectivity daemon), which I guess uses bluez utils Mar 09 14:03:21 nm, found it. Mar 09 14:03:22 yeah cyclone is pretty neat Mar 09 14:04:48 btw my 'boot first, then insert disk' prevents segfaults on every kickstart i've tried Mar 09 14:04:54 inz: found this: http://sourceforge.net/projects/comgt Mar 09 14:06:06 xuser, afaik there's no comgt on maemo Mar 09 14:06:20 not sure though Mar 09 14:06:27 pupnik: the gp2x wiki also mentions "It must be called kick.rom, be a kickstart 1.3 image, and be the 512KB overdumped version, rather than the smaller 256k kickstart that some have tried unsuccessfully." Mar 09 14:06:56 yes only 512s work, but everything from 1.2 to 3.1 has worked here now Mar 09 14:07:49 unless i'm in some weird software bermuda triangle, i think we should change it to boot the kickstart before presenting menu Mar 09 14:08:06 well i suppose > 1.3 possibly break at a point as they might use instructions not emulated .. Mar 09 14:08:43 but that's just a speculation.. i'm not an amiga professional :) Mar 09 14:08:45 inz: yeah, just trying to do same with a linux laptop. Mar 09 14:08:59 I'll see if comgt works for me Mar 09 14:09:02 selecting a .adf or .adf.gz before booting crashes every rom with regularity, but then sometimes it gets in the mood to not crash for a while Mar 09 14:09:59 we should get more testing results Mar 09 14:15:36 guys any luck with amiga? Mar 09 14:16:43 just been learning a little bit about it Mar 09 14:18:16 Managed to drop sound quality down to 11khz and that seems to shave off about 3-5% cpu, but haven't been able to test accurately yet Mar 09 14:21:04 have you tested it RayTracer` ? Mar 09 14:21:19 no just watched you guys talk about it a while Mar 09 14:21:27 * RayTracer` isn't much of a devel Mar 09 14:21:50 Well i'd like someone to confirm some problems Mar 09 14:21:54 oh sure Mar 09 14:22:20 ok RayTracer` can you /join #kotc pls? Mar 09 14:22:24 I can Mar 09 14:23:45 * xuser wishes someday nokia makes a n95+n810 in one device Mar 09 14:24:19 why? Mar 09 14:25:10 xuser: use duct tape! :p Mar 09 14:25:21 I prefer to have a small phone and a "large" websurferthingmabob Mar 09 14:25:34 to only carry one device Mar 09 14:25:35 :) Mar 09 14:25:43 darn, I'm lagging as hell Mar 09 14:25:51 jott: heh Mar 09 14:26:27 Morning, all Mar 09 14:26:42 inz: you carry a backpack? Mar 09 14:27:02 xuser, usually not Mar 09 14:28:22 xuser, the point was that I can leave the websurferthingmabob home and still be reachable by phone Mar 09 14:28:44 xuser, in case I don't want to carry any bags or satchels Mar 09 14:29:38 inz: well yeah, good point, you don't always want to carry a N810 Mar 09 14:30:34 xuser, many techies don't really mind as they anyway use pants that have enough pockets to carry the kitchen sink, but I don'l like such pants ;) Mar 09 14:31:13 heh Mar 09 14:36:57 I can ssh from the n95 anyway :P Mar 09 14:37:11 the problem is the keyboard :/ Mar 09 14:37:14 Someone enteertaiin me Mar 09 14:37:19 Bus is shit boring Mar 09 14:38:16 watch some porn Mar 09 14:47:38 porn is boring Mar 09 14:51:15 Feh, when I finally got gmail not to make false positives, now it makes false negatives Mar 09 15:02:28 Does nokia make a phone similar to the 6230/6230i (don't want a smartphone) perfectly happy with the 6230/6230i and its battery life etc - or are they all symbian (I want reliable bluetooth thats all) Mar 09 15:03:31 No, they still make lots of non-Symbian phones Mar 09 15:10:00 most sales are non-symbian Mar 09 15:11:10 Yeah but they don't make it clear which ones are just nokia as it always was Mar 09 15:12:01 see forum.nokia.com/devices Mar 09 15:12:40 great thanks Mar 09 15:12:48 that doesn't seem to have any series 30 phones though Mar 09 15:12:52 all s40 and s60 Mar 09 15:13:44 s30 are the really cheap and simple ones Mar 09 15:13:57 1110 etc Mar 09 15:14:07 yep Mar 09 15:15:30 Mine is 6230 (series 4) looks like - I want max battery life and bluetooth thats all Mar 09 15:15:33 it might be interesting to see sometimes how those are put together Mar 09 15:15:51 problem is bluetooth isn't on the cheap ones usually or maybe that changed Mar 09 15:16:14 get ericsson t39m ? :> Mar 09 15:16:17 most 3g phones have bt tho.. i'd think Mar 09 15:16:58 No desire for anything other than Nokia (or to mess with it) Mar 09 15:17:35 I wouldn't mind getting maemo on e.g a GPX2 though (new one has a touch screen) Mar 09 15:18:10 h3sp4wn: country? Mar 09 15:18:18 Paavo: England Mar 09 15:18:21 there's a comparison engine at nokia.com Mar 09 15:18:36 they just try their best to keep people off the site Mar 09 15:19:48 * T0b0tras is happy with his 6021 Mar 09 15:20:02 http://www.nokia.co.uk/A4221001 Mar 09 15:20:34 interesting that there's a "most expensive first" option, but not the opposite Mar 09 15:20:54 and not even approximate prices Mar 09 15:21:53 Hi. Does anyone know when it is possible to get the kismet for os2008? Mar 09 15:23:33 yeah - I suppose there they have to cater for the "Is this expensive enough and does it look good with this dress/suit" crowd Mar 09 15:24:20 shiny! Mar 09 15:42:59 arghhhh ive made my glyph rendering loop too efficient again and the cpu is throttling back. there must be a way to kick the process into a high priority without having to scribble on the screen to make it go fast Mar 09 15:49:19 lcuk_3: doh! Mar 09 15:51:01 lcuk_3: it sounds really strange - are you sure there are no idle cycles somewhere in your render loop? Mar 09 15:52:28 lcuk: just play any mp3 via mp3task, it will activate dsp (without eating too much cpu) and force cpu to full speed Mar 09 15:53:29 i am positive that there are no idles (unless there is one inside XvShmPutImage which i doubt Mar 09 15:53:56 i have just DOUBLED the work (ie rendering the string twice) and its running faster than without Mar 09 15:54:18 snprintf(buff,255," "); Mar 09 15:54:18 canvass_drawtext(buff,0,y); Mar 09 15:54:18 snprintf(buff,255,"Hello world, %i, fc %i ",y,framecount); Mar 09 15:54:18 canvass_drawtext(buff,x,y); Mar 09 15:54:30 lcuk: pastebin.com Mar 09 15:54:33 the top 2 lines have just been added and it now renders quicker than without them Mar 09 15:54:38 sorry it was just that tiny bit Mar 09 15:54:49 to clarify what i am saying Mar 09 15:55:10 and eating more battery ;) Mar 09 15:55:19 im not bothered about that at the moment Mar 09 15:55:53 once i am at full speed and getting a specific framerate and showing my code is as good as i can the program will ONLY be rendering when stroke in progress anyway Mar 09 15:55:58 lcuk: have you seen my comment? Mar 09 15:56:04 but if i can get it done quicker it wont flicker Mar 09 15:56:31 use mp3task to force cpu to full speed Mar 09 15:56:34 yes but it doesnt make sense - and for one thing, using the dsp clocks the cpu down Mar 09 15:56:36