**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Mar 13 02:59:57 2008 Mar 13 03:00:14 adding button for xkbd that will remap buttons 0 and 2 ;) Mar 13 03:00:24 aaah, xmonobut Mar 13 03:00:25 xmodmap can do it Mar 13 03:00:33 so can xbkd Mar 13 03:00:34 :> Mar 13 03:00:36 xkbd Mar 13 03:00:43 xmonobut could live in the statusbar though Mar 13 03:01:21 even minimizez xkbd shows 2 keys Mar 13 03:01:26 first one is unminimize Mar 13 03:01:35 second will be 'mb swap' Mar 13 03:01:48 so it will take minimal space on the screen Mar 13 03:01:51 and work wonders Mar 13 03:01:57 sure, go for it. when it was called xmonobut it was kind of annoying though Mar 13 03:02:24 2 modes would be convenient Mar 13 03:02:27 with and without timeout Mar 13 03:02:42 or even better 'one-click' or 'sticky' Mar 13 03:03:03 one click would be nice Mar 13 03:03:08 but then xkbd would need to catch all clicks Mar 13 03:03:14 johnx: in ja2? naaaaah Mar 13 03:03:15 ;) Mar 13 03:03:23 my biggest argument against xmonobut was the work-flow for right click to bring up a property menu goes like: click swap -> right click -> click swap -> click entry Mar 13 03:04:04 let's hack then Mar 13 03:04:38 sorry, got to get to eat some food and get to work in a bit :/ plus I never use right click :) Mar 13 03:04:51 :) Mar 13 03:05:01 games use it Mar 13 03:05:04 quite often Mar 13 03:05:20 a note: clicks might count as x events...maybe you could use the same thing x screensaver does to see how long it's been since the last event... Mar 13 03:05:41 plus, I'm poking at maemo on debian/zaurus right now :) Mar 13 03:05:47 :) Mar 13 03:07:50 sapwood doesn't seem to work right on an armv5te...does that even make sense? Mar 13 03:08:09 try without optimization? Mar 13 03:08:30 yeah, I'll have to see what how it was built :/ Mar 13 03:08:56 lots of: ** (sapwood-server:2021): WARNING **: unknown opcode: 0 Mar 13 03:09:03 fun Mar 13 03:09:04 :> Mar 13 03:09:29 .te mean 'without vfp' ? Mar 13 03:09:30 :) Mar 13 03:21:43 hmm...I don't see anything suspicious in the Makefiles or debian/rules... Mar 13 03:22:06 hello Mar 13 03:22:18 hi Mar 13 03:59:25 hmm Mar 13 04:00:13 umkay Mar 13 04:00:18 monobut added to xkbd Mar 13 04:00:19 ;) Mar 13 04:00:54 now, let's add some timout Mar 13 04:05:31 hmm Mar 13 04:05:48 can i xselectinput from display/win AND display/* ? Mar 13 04:11:14 Pupnik - seems you have updated it since i last tried dosbox; this one behaves a lot better Mar 13 04:11:39 and different, it puts up a keyboard on the side; the old version I install did not do that Mar 13 04:13:42 keybd still has problems Mar 13 04:13:54 but i try to make it better Mar 13 04:14:11 it is a ton better Mar 13 04:14:23 pupnik, wanna try my monobutton addition to xkbd ? Mar 13 04:14:25 :) Mar 13 04:14:48 i do not understnad Mar 13 04:14:59 ability to use tap as a right click Mar 13 04:14:59 xkbd has problems with shift key and some other keys in os2008 Mar 13 04:15:17 spoke too soon, xkbd stopped responding Mar 13 04:15:34 no really i think xkbd sucks and everyone should use bluetooth keyhboards Mar 13 04:15:45 and i think nokia fucking sucks Mar 13 04:15:49 hehe Mar 13 04:15:54 further update... all input has stopped Mar 13 04:15:56 for making the god damn keyboard gtk/hildon only Mar 13 04:16:01 bluetooth keyboard, hard buttons, on screen keyboard Mar 13 04:16:04 Heh Mar 13 04:16:27 better than apple, i guess Mar 13 04:16:28 :) Mar 13 04:16:30 emulated mouse pointer seems to be the only thing working Mar 13 04:17:05 no mouse is impossible in dosbox too Mar 13 04:17:15 in the general sense Mar 13 04:17:21 impossible is a bad work Mar 13 04:17:23 hmmmm Mar 13 04:17:23 word Mar 13 04:17:29 tricky is better Mar 13 04:17:30 :) Mar 13 04:17:34 dosboxbin seems to be spinning on something Mar 13 04:17:45 there is no absolute mouse position in dos, KotCzarny Mar 13 04:17:47 you know that Mar 13 04:18:02 pupnik: hack, hack, hack Mar 13 04:18:06 untill it works Mar 13 04:18:06 ;) Mar 13 04:18:15 *until Mar 13 04:18:45 still, even with bt keyboard, how do you right click in ja2? Mar 13 04:18:47 hah? Mar 13 04:18:48 ;) Mar 13 04:18:59 so back to reporting problems - 1. Lost of all keyboard input; 2. Lost of ability to return to it as it is not in the window manager list but it is still running per top Mar 13 04:19:59 acknowledged ds3 Mar 13 04:20:00 pupnik: any ideas? :) Mar 13 04:20:11 that is status quo Mar 13 04:20:18 or actually anything you want me to gather before I kill -9 it? Mar 13 04:22:26 okay bye bye dosboxbin Mar 13 04:25:22 no thanks for testing Mar 13 04:25:31 those are just known limitations Mar 13 04:25:46 'k cool Mar 13 04:26:04 be nice to be able to run scorch earth on it but I can do with out ;) Mar 13 04:26:37 you can run pre-90s games if you have a bt kbd Mar 13 04:26:47 fun Mar 13 04:27:07 but having to remember to kill -9 it or the battery goes flat is kind of a bummer Mar 13 04:28:48 i wish they release a final version of gvm or announce that they will not so I can start looking at pose Mar 13 04:34:32 bye Mar 13 04:37:09 johnx: in armv5te the y is for thumb and e is for edsp, iirc. But I don't think there are any armv5 cpus around with vfp support. Not many at at least. Mar 13 04:40:15 no kust click on close app ds3 Mar 13 04:40:20 on the little x Mar 13 04:40:43 that closes dosbox Mar 13 04:40:49 or type 'exit' Mar 13 04:42:36 Copyright: (c) 2004 Nokia Oyj Mar 13 04:42:36 Mar 13 04:42:36 Confidential. You are not free to do anything with this package, Mar 13 04:42:36 unless you have a permission from Nokia Oyj. Mar 13 04:42:37 o.o Mar 13 04:49:18 hildon-base-lib-dev disappeared in os2008? Mar 13 05:01:37 pupnik: that does not work for me cuz I loose all access to it other then by ps/kill Mar 13 05:03:03 ds3: you should always be able to kill dosbox with click on "X" in upper right Mar 13 05:03:07 this does not work? Mar 13 05:03:53 if app is not hildonized it doesn't always kill app Mar 13 05:12:17 pupnik: no, you missed something... I loose the entire window. there is nothing to click on! Mar 13 05:12:57 sequence - start dosbox, maximize it, look around, loose ability to do any input, hit the home button to force stuff; select home from list. poof no way to get back to dosbox Mar 13 05:13:02 you minimised it ds3 Mar 13 05:13:09 hmm Mar 13 05:13:09 'minimized' Mar 13 05:13:13 it no longer shows up on the list Mar 13 05:13:23 oh it never shows up on the list Mar 13 05:13:34 yes! Mar 13 05:13:43 yeah Mar 13 05:13:47 that list sux Mar 13 05:13:48 I loose complete control of the app. Only recovery is via a shell and kill -9 it Mar 13 05:13:50 'hildonize me' Mar 13 05:13:51 ;) Mar 13 05:14:12 yah i tried to make it appear in the list and that broke Mar 13 05:14:20 so i was like fuck that Mar 13 05:14:25 true Mar 13 05:14:27 thought that list was a normal window manager list of apps? Mar 13 05:14:34 no Mar 13 05:14:37 ds3: yeah, 'normal' Mar 13 05:14:45 that depends what you define as 'normal' Mar 13 05:14:46 :) Mar 13 05:14:58 normal as in it would show up if I was running twm :P Mar 13 05:15:02 well it's part of the maemo guys Mar 13 05:15:06 and nthe nokia guys Mar 13 05:15:10 being nazi architects Mar 13 05:15:17 Yuu VILL do it OUAH way!! Mar 13 05:15:35 instead of just registereing x windows in the list Mar 13 05:15:42 * KotCzarny is having dejavi Mar 13 05:15:44 dejavu Mar 13 05:15:45 ;) Mar 13 05:15:57 yeah 1939, poland Mar 13 05:16:03 nah Mar 13 05:16:15 2008, few hundreds lines before Mar 13 05:16:16 :) Mar 13 05:16:21 oh Mar 13 05:16:22 hmmm if that is the case... wonder if someone could write a hybrid app that shows the output of something like xlsclients Mar 13 05:16:41 ds3: it just needs dosbox.desktop file Mar 13 05:16:59 sorry ds3, it's not hard to make it appear in task list Mar 13 05:17:01 and proper x env variables set Mar 13 05:17:40 but adding that functionality to the cpu applet might be useful though Mar 13 05:18:15 * KotCzarny is trying status-bar-clock applet Mar 13 05:18:25 and libs/headers are missing. Mar 13 05:18:32 and nowhere to be found for 2008 Mar 13 05:18:36 only 2007 Mar 13 05:19:39 the cpuload applet's clock feature is more then sufficient Mar 13 05:20:44 though I do wish it would update when the screen is locked Mar 13 05:20:50 maybe dropping whole hildon idea wouldn't be so bad Mar 13 05:24:13 :) Mar 13 05:29:29 hmm Mar 13 05:29:53 i found a 100% way to break xkbd Mar 13 05:30:07 don't use stylus but finger to tap Mar 13 05:30:13 :) Mar 13 05:30:23 or not Mar 13 05:30:31 it's not that Mar 13 05:30:41 it's because it's the only app Mar 13 05:46:12 hmm Mar 13 05:46:36 problem with xkbd is that it doesnt' use keypress/release properly Mar 13 05:47:09 sticky keys should generat only kp/kr at once, not both Mar 13 05:54:48 * truls_ prefers xkcd Mar 13 05:55:21 does it generate keysyms? Mar 13 05:55:22 :) Mar 13 05:55:49 i'd hope not :) Mar 13 08:49:45 Hi all. Is Gazpacho available for Maemo 4? Mar 13 08:50:09 I tried to apt-get install it inside scratchbox, but it couldn't find it. Mar 13 08:58:34 jones-, did you check on gronmayer.com/it ? Mar 13 09:01:35 johnx: checking, thanks. Mar 13 09:03:51 johnx: it says it's not there. Mar 13 09:04:27 guess not then, it's usually worth checking there though Mar 13 09:04:48 johnx: would you say it means it's not supported or simply it's not been packaged? Mar 13 09:05:01 I have no idea Mar 13 09:05:11 gronmayer.com/it just covers repositories Mar 13 09:05:16 Ok, I'll hang around in case somebody knows. Mar 13 09:05:37 it's possible it's packaged but not in a repo, or that it's compileable but not packaged Mar 13 09:20:27 is openssh package in the repo broken? Mar 13 09:20:50 I cannot update, it complains about a missing dependency Mar 13 09:28:19 what dep is it missing? Mar 13 09:28:45 openssh-common Mar 13 09:28:49 O.o Mar 13 09:28:53 hmm Mar 13 09:29:01 I smell conflicint repositories Mar 13 09:29:10 s/conflicint/conflicting/g Mar 13 09:29:10 johnx meant: I smell conflicting repositories Mar 13 09:29:21 arrgh Mar 13 09:29:37 hmm...let me check though Mar 13 09:29:42 * johnx apt-get upgrade s Mar 13 09:30:07 "works for me" (tm) Mar 13 09:35:38 thanks for checking Mar 13 09:36:02 try apt-cache policy openssh-server Mar 13 09:37:27 openssh-server: Mar 13 09:37:27 Installed: 1:4.3p2-9 Mar 13 09:37:27 Candidate: 1:4.3p2-9 Mar 13 09:37:33 mmm Mar 13 09:38:01 the package mgr wants to update it >.< Mar 13 09:39:20 hmm Mar 13 09:39:28 what does apt-get upgrade want to do? Mar 13 09:39:53 could the app mgr actually have different version sorting than apt? Mar 13 09:40:12 nothing Mar 13 09:40:27 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Mar 13 09:40:30 awesome Mar 13 09:41:02 weird Mar 13 09:41:20 s/weird/b0rken ;)/ Mar 13 09:41:27 interesting, I'm on openssh 4.7p1-2.maemo1 Mar 13 09:42:23 err Mar 13 09:42:26 wait Mar 13 09:42:29 * Tama^2 blushes Mar 13 09:43:43 Nokia-N800-51-3:~# apt-cache policy openssh-server Mar 13 09:43:43 openssh-server: Mar 13 09:43:43 Installed: 1:4.6p1-5.maemo3 Mar 13 09:43:44 Candidate: 1:4.7p1-2.maemo1 Mar 13 09:43:44 Version table: Mar 13 09:43:44 1:4.7p1-2.maemo1 0 Mar 13 09:43:46 500 http://repository.maemo.org chinook/free Packages Mar 13 09:43:48 *** 1:4.6p1-5.maemo3 0 Mar 13 09:43:50 500 http://repository.maemo.org chinook/free Packages Mar 13 09:43:52 500 http://repository.maemo.org chinook/free Packages Mar 13 09:43:54 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status Mar 13 09:43:56 1:4.6p1-5.maemo2 0 Mar 13 09:43:58 500 http://repository.maemo.org chinook/free Packages Mar 13 09:44:00 1:4.6p1-5.maemo1 0 Mar 13 09:44:02 500 http://repository.maemo.org chinook/free Packages Mar 13 09:44:34 (before I logged on the other arm based toy I have here ;) ) Mar 13 09:46:17 aaah...what is it? Mar 13 09:46:36 nslu2 Mar 13 09:46:47 running debian? Mar 13 09:46:52 yes :) Mar 13 09:47:10 Linux nslug 2.6.18-6-ixp4xx #1 Tue Feb 12 00:57:53 UTC 2008 armv5tel Mar 13 09:47:14 easy to mistake. You should hand out hostnames via dhcp :) Mar 13 09:47:35 A couple quick questions... What's the preferred (re: simplest) method for developing network applications? Is it sdl_net? Second, assuming it is, what is the pkg to call for it using pkg-config? Is it installed by default? Mar 13 09:47:58 I usually do, but I did not fix the N800 scripts to request an hostname after the last reflash Mar 13 09:49:36 Joset, it depends pretty much on what you want to do and what UI framework your application uses Mar 13 09:49:37 Jsoet: on ITOS you should use libconic (I think) to bring the network up/down and get a connection Mar 13 09:50:01 http://maemo.org/api_refs/4.0/libconic/index.html Mar 13 09:51:58 yeah, I know to use libconic to get a connection, but for the actual network communication, like you still need to use sockets and stuff like that don't you? Mar 13 09:52:10 And I'll be using hildon/gtk+ for my UI Mar 13 09:52:45 Then you don't want to use SDL_net Mar 13 09:53:02 There are some socket abstraction libraries for glib Mar 13 09:54:35 Oh, the stuff like this? http://library.gnome.org/devel/glib/2.15/glib-IO-Channels.html I found some stuff about that but I couldn't really find any examples so I thought the sdl stuff would be easier... do you know of any examples or tutorials or stuff for it? Or do you think it'd be easier to use it anyway? Mar 13 09:55:37 The IO Channels surely are nice, but by themselves they're not enough Mar 13 09:56:18 So what else would I have to use? Like the sys/socket.h stuff to actually get a socket? Or is there something else? Mar 13 09:56:46 GNet is at least one option (http://www.gnetlibrary.org/) Mar 13 09:57:07 I haven't actually done any proper network programming (just http requests), so I don't really know anything about them Mar 13 09:57:30 But surely you can also use socket() etc calls and create a iochannel for the socket to listen for it Mar 13 09:57:51 hm, is that gnet included in maemo do you know? Mar 13 09:59:00 hmm, how did you just do http requests and stuff like that though? Did you use this gnet library or did you use the socket() calls? Really, I'm just doing a little school project and that's all I really need is just http requests. Mar 13 09:59:52 For http requests you probably want to use a http library instead of generic socket library Mar 13 09:59:59 Maemo includes curl Mar 13 10:00:38 I've used libsoup mostly because it is glib based Mar 13 10:00:38 ah, seriously? Thank you, that is so useful Mar 13 10:01:18 is libsoup included with maemo? Mar 13 10:01:40 Nope :( Mar 13 10:02:03 I had to package it separately Mar 13 10:02:34 What makes it even less fun, is that maemo includes openssl but libsoup use gnutls Mar 13 10:03:14 ahh... I think I'll just use libcurl then, that sounds like a lot of work Mar 13 10:04:16 Well, I have the packages in my repository and they're also nowadays in extras-devel Mar 13 10:05:22 hmm, well, I dunno, I'll look into both of them I guess and see... anyway, thanks a lot for your help in pointing me in the right direction at least, that's a lot of help Mar 13 10:08:18 Happy hacking! Mar 13 10:52:33 hi there. I should soon get my hands on a N810, and of course I'd like to develop on it. I'm running a 64 bits system, and saw there's some effort to port scratchbox to x86_64. Is it woth the try, or is the vmware-maemo a better option ? Mar 13 11:21:21 good morning Mar 13 11:24:17 why I cannot see the comments for my app on downloads.maemo.org ? Mar 13 11:24:34 b0unc3: Which app? Mar 13 11:25:48 X-Fade: https://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/wizard-mounter/ Mar 13 11:26:57 b0unc3: There are no comments? Mar 13 11:27:07 X-Fade: 2 votes - 50 downloads Mar 13 11:27:22 Yeah, those are just votes.. Mar 13 11:27:43 votes can be without comments ?? Mar 13 11:27:48 yep.. Mar 13 11:27:54 Even anonymous.. Mar 13 11:33:00 oh ok... Mar 13 11:34:33 I'm hosting my own copy of wget for dependency reasons. However, when trying to install my package I'm told that wget is a missing dependency (wget is available to install individually). Any ideas how to debug this? My other dependencies are working fine. Mar 13 11:50:34 hi there, I want to start podcasting about maemo stuff. Any recommended/preferred service? Free of cost, popular, open source friendly... Mar 13 11:52:24 qgil: I can setup something at podshow.com if you would like? That won't cost anything. Mar 13 11:54:10 hi X-Fade, to tell you the truth I have no preferences - whatever is seen as good and useful by the maemo community Mar 13 11:54:18 qgil: Well, anyone can ;) Mar 13 11:55:39 X-Fade: sure, the question is not about "can" but about "where". Mar 13 11:55:49 (checking this podshow.com) Mar 13 11:57:14 qgil: At least Nokia has some arrangement with them already ;) http://podshowoffers.com/nokia-n810-coupon-code-internet-tablet.php Mar 13 11:57:49 alright then: podshow.com is the current candidate for hosting a maemo podcast - anyone has a better candidate? Mar 13 11:58:49 links with Nokia are not a decision criteria - open source friendlyness are a stronger factor (at least for me) :) Mar 13 12:03:12 Morning, all Mar 13 12:05:56 X-Fade: if you want to setup the maemo podcast that would be great. In the meantime I'm editing the audio file of Ari Jaaksi's talk yesterday at OSiM USA Mar 13 12:06:30 qgil: Sure, what name do you want to give it? Mar 13 12:06:59 Jaffa: Do you still want to test the maemo autobuilder? Mar 13 12:06:59 what name do _you_ want to give it? Mar 13 12:08:37 qgil: Well, that depends on what the podcast will be about. How wide will the topic reach? Mar 13 12:08:49 qgil: Maemo community podcast? Mar 13 12:10:04 X-Fade: it's about maemo, software, open source, community, hacks............ Mar 13 12:10:52 qgil: Ok, so not only maemo then? Something more Open Source related? Mar 13 12:11:09 X-Fade: it's not about Nokia, tablets (hardware), non-free software (although we can discuss those things as well, just not as main topics) Mar 13 12:12:06 should be a place where any maemo developer / hacker / enthusiast could upload / aggregate their stuff - I mean is community centric not Nokia centric Mar 13 12:12:28 Nokia employees just like me might post as well, but that's it, just like anybody else Mar 13 12:12:44 do you think the idea makes sense? Mar 13 12:13:05 we discussed it somewhere in Jaiku some weeks ago (can't find the link now) Mar 13 12:13:16 I'll look it up.. Mar 13 12:13:43 starting with a presentation of Ari Jaaksi is not the most community-centric start we could have but well, better than nothing imho Mar 13 12:15:54 qgil: Hmm I can't find it in your jaiky comments either.. Mar 13 12:16:08 But I have seen them before.. Mar 13 12:16:40 ah! Mar 13 12:16:42 qgil: http://jaiku.com/channel/maemo/presence/24985609 Mar 13 12:17:02 MaemoMatters? Mar 13 12:19:27 why not Mar 13 12:20:00 I'm sorry guys. The database for bugzilla is down, we are working on it. Mar 13 12:20:08 (it's been soooooo long since I last played with Audacity) Mar 13 12:49:19 qgil: are you coming to bossa conference ? Mar 13 12:55:27 MoRpHeUz: sadly not I had to go to OSiM USA and that is all the no-family-responsibilities time I could get this month :) Mar 13 12:55:53 qgil: hehe, maybe a visit some time in the future ;-) Mar 13 12:58:09 about the podcast, I think it's better to have more and smaller podcast than a big one... =) Mar 13 13:23:39 X-Fade: I got the audio file. Now... letçs talk about practicalities Mar 13 13:24:21 I guess the right thing is to export it to ogg & mp3 Mar 13 13:25:58 qgil: I made an account. Now I see they only support mp3, m4a, mp4, 3gp, mpeg4, mpeg, mpg4, m4v, mov, wma, and wmv Mar 13 13:26:31 X-Fade: you see I had a reason to mention open source friendliness ;) Mar 13 13:26:43 I don't think there are many people who can play mp3 but not ogg... Mar 13 13:27:17 johnx: Well, every tablet user by default? Mar 13 13:27:20 s/mp3 but not ogg/ogg but not mp3/g Mar 13 13:27:20 johnx meant: I don't think there are many people who can play ogg but not mp3... Mar 13 13:27:24 oops :) Mar 13 13:27:48 * johnx must be tired... Mar 13 13:28:14 To tell you the truth, I don't even go through this debate, this is why I thought about offering both - exporting is easy Mar 13 13:29:27 anyway, another option is to start with mp3 only since podshow.com is the default candidate and if anybody has a better suggestion then let's move there Mar 13 13:29:29 probably a good plan Mar 13 13:29:44 qgil: yeah, we can always move it.. Mar 13 13:30:35 alright. now Audacity is asking me whether /usr/lib/libmp3lame.so.0 is in place :) Mar 13 13:31:09 Must be a fedora thing :) Mar 13 13:31:16 in Ubuntu? Mar 13 13:31:56 apt-get install lame? Mar 13 13:32:33 ehm no liblame0 Mar 13 13:33:53 (why do I obey blindlyto remote advice in IRC chatrooms?) ;) Mar 13 13:37:00 X-Fade: alright, is exporting. I'm going to create a podshow account - what else? Mar 13 13:37:25 qgil: Can't find how I can add a second owner of a show :( Mar 13 13:37:54 heh Mar 13 13:39:10 well, I need to upload this file now - we'll figure out what to do next Mar 13 13:39:48 qgil: Ok, do you have a podshow account yet? Mar 13 13:39:56 in the meantime, anybody knows where can we have a podcast hosted with multiple uploaders and ogg support? Mar 13 13:41:14 X-Fade: just registered - "qgil" Mar 13 13:42:40 omg - yet another site that wants to build my network of friends by sniffing my gmail account Mar 13 13:43:06 qgil: Well, I think the easiest way for you now is to click upload and create a show.. Mar 13 13:44:00 Hello. What gtk widget should I use to create something that looks like a spreadsheet? Mar 13 13:44:47 I tried TreeView but can't find a way to have the cells with a border, in Hildon. Mar 13 13:44:57 no real idea, but you could look at the source for gnumeric if no one else here knows Mar 13 13:44:57 Morning. Mar 13 13:46:36 X-Fade: another potential requirement: CC licenses at hand Mar 13 13:46:57 Bugzilla is working again btw.. Mar 13 13:51:24 X-Fade: more potential reqs: no ads (currently I'm getting a big Samsung banner at http://flors.podshow.com - which is kinda funny :) Mar 13 13:52:07 qgil: What if we setup a podcast page at maemo.org? :) And link to the feed there? Mar 13 13:54:53 X-Fade: before I'd like to know how to upload a sound file............. I see video upload a thousand ""social"" stuff, but no upload podcast thing Mar 13 13:55:19 edit episode. Mar 13 13:59:02 qgil: Edit ->show episodes->add new episode ;) Mar 13 14:00:10 X-Fade: to make it funnier the "episode" word is not in this Edit page... Mar 13 14:01:08 qgil: You have to click on 'show control' for that. Mar 13 14:01:09 aha, getting there... Mar 13 14:01:25 yeah, I was in "master control" (very user intuitive) Mar 13 14:02:05 qgil: Yeah, it seems they need to hire a useability expert there. Mar 13 14:03:48 evening. anyone use the gpsmgr stuff? I'm puzzled why maemomapper's not working... Mar 13 14:05:56 X-Fade: uploading... thanks! Mar 13 14:11:24 damn maemo mapper. i have allways problems with the map database Mar 13 14:11:40 got read write errors etc. Mar 13 14:11:45 someone knows this? Mar 13 14:12:36 eichi: I just had problems this evening with it on the internal mmc due to http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14416 Mar 13 14:13:31 is the extras repository down ? Mar 13 14:14:40 pepie34: Works for me. Mar 13 14:15:05 very slow very very very slow Mar 13 14:15:14 but i formated the extern sd card several times. it only works few minutes, then same problem again Mar 13 14:15:31 even the web site is very very very .... very slow Mar 13 14:15:39 I'm not sure sqlite is meant to work that well on fat32 Mar 13 14:15:52 though enough people seem to use it... Mar 13 14:16:12 pepie34: both seem to work just fine for me. Mar 13 14:16:26 other web sote are ok Mar 13 14:16:29 i'am in france Mar 13 14:16:39 may be network problem Mar 13 14:16:45 I'm in NL. Mar 13 14:19:00 not far so Mar 13 14:19:27 Well, it is closer to Finland. But not that much. Mar 13 14:19:54 There repository is mirrored by akamai, so you might hit a different server than I do. Mar 13 14:21:49 X-Fade FR-NL <=> 50km Mar 13 14:22:21 pepie34: Well, 200 orso. But ;) Mar 13 14:22:45 but the maemo.org is in Finland? Mar 13 14:22:55 msh_, its seems to be a problem with write read persmission with maemo mapper Mar 13 14:23:05 i cant delete the databasefile with the filemanager anymore Mar 13 14:23:07 qgil: Sound OK! :) Mar 13 14:23:18 but it was createt 2 minutes ago with meamo mapper Mar 13 14:25:29 qgil: The flors feed looks ok. Mar 13 14:25:36 http://www.podshow.com/shows/?mode=detail&episode_id=103694 Mar 13 14:25:44 are you seeing my email address or is it just me? Mar 13 14:25:53 I see you gmail. Mar 13 14:26:01 interesting... Mar 13 14:26:50 anyway, I have to get a shower and some breakfast (I'm still in San Francisco) I will blog about this later on Mar 13 14:27:08 eichi you may need to reformat internal mmc Mar 13 14:27:18 qgil: Please add the slides too. Mar 13 14:27:18 thanks for your help, see you later! Mar 13 14:27:26 cheers qgil Mar 13 14:27:30 qgil: It is a bit hard to follow without them.. Mar 13 14:27:32 thanks for the n810 Mar 13 14:27:47 the slides are just pictures but I get your point Mar 13 14:27:57 in the blog entry Mar 13 14:28:10 when I publish it, I will upload the pdf there Mar 13 14:28:20 Ok. Mar 13 14:29:00 in fact the core of the story is explained at http://jaaksi.blogspot.com/ Mar 13 14:29:14 I'm a bit surprised he didn't get almost any comment Mar 13 14:29:22 any feedback is welcome Mar 13 14:29:33 downloading openssh is impossible and the website is very slow.... Mar 13 14:29:50 (perhaps it is more interesting to discuss about thing not working properly in the tablets) ;) Mar 13 14:29:54 pepie34: It seems openssh is broken in extras. the -common package is missing. Mar 13 14:30:28 what o you mean by broken? Mar 13 14:30:56 i try also openssh-client openssh-server Mar 13 14:30:59 pepie34: You can't install it at the moment. Mar 13 14:31:05 both do not download Mar 13 14:31:18 is there an other to gain root privilege? Mar 13 14:32:20 X-Fade, you can't install the deb or can't download the deb? Mar 13 14:32:31 because now i can't download it Mar 13 14:32:38 I can download it, but it is missing dependencies. Mar 13 14:33:13 strange Mar 13 14:47:16 how can maemo.org works on my laptop Mar 13 14:47:27 everyother site works on the n800 Mar 13 14:47:38 but no way to connect maemo.org? Mar 13 14:47:45 with the n800 Mar 13 14:55:14 X-Fade it seems to work now Mar 13 14:55:21 openssh installed Mar 13 14:56:36 i've got warnings when ssh root@localhost Mar 13 14:56:40 but can login Mar 13 14:58:08 can login from network too Mar 13 15:20:44 hi Mar 13 15:28:10 hi, anyone get booting off mmc slot working with n800 and latest os2008? Mar 13 15:33:23 Has anyone seen alterego around here recently? Mar 13 15:34:09 whose alter ego? Mar 13 15:46:45 hi, can anyone tell me a repository address to get kismet (n770 OS2007)?? Mar 13 15:47:41 rmartinez, let me see if I can find anything... Mar 13 15:49:59 I found it on gronmayer.com/it for OS2006...it should work with 2007HE, I would guess Mar 13 15:50:34 nevermind...it was on eko.one.pl/maemo but I guess they took down the OS2006 repo :( Mar 13 15:51:21 thanks, johnx Mar 13 15:59:48 yawn Mar 13 16:01:05 johnx: how goes? Mar 13 16:06:16 pupnik, why formatting the INTERNAL? i have problems with the external Mar 13 16:06:43 i can see that maemo mapper seems to remount mmc extern from rw to ro Mar 13 16:06:46 dont know, why Mar 13 16:06:52 very scarry Mar 13 16:06:59 'scary' Mar 13 16:07:05 scarry is kinda emo Mar 13 16:07:06 ;) Mar 13 16:07:07 ;) Mar 13 16:07:19 not my day, not ma language ;D Mar 13 16:07:56 is there a maemo mapper mailinglist or something like that? Mar 13 16:08:02 cant find any Mar 13 16:08:21 eichi: i believe it's not the maemo mapper problem Mar 13 16:08:35 you can try: dmesg | tail -n 20 Mar 13 16:09:03 my guess it's writing too fast and then card freaks out Mar 13 16:09:10 and drama ensues Mar 13 16:09:11 ;) Mar 13 16:09:14 (read only) Mar 13 16:09:28 My guess is that you have write errors on your card. Mar 13 16:09:40 eichi: if the device is switching to ro, it might be due to a partition table error. Mar 13 16:09:46 ahh okay, that cound be the problem. cause i got it, after downloading some maps Mar 13 16:10:06 X-Fade_, i formatted it many times.. Mar 13 16:10:18 but have you created new partition? Mar 13 16:10:26 eichi: dmesg should show them.. Mar 13 16:10:29 or used the one from factory Mar 13 16:10:29 without maemo mapper it works fine. fotos, ogg etc Mar 13 16:10:59 KotCzarny, dont know Mar 13 16:11:17 but its not a nokia sd kard Mar 13 16:11:19 card Mar 13 16:12:52 Maybe its worth using the Panasonic SD formatter mentioned on Internet tablet talk? Mar 13 16:13:28 I get it sometimes when I don't cleanly unmount crap. Any card I stick in mounts ro Mar 13 16:13:45 but rebooting the device fixes it Mar 13 16:14:00 rebooting runs disk checker Mar 13 16:14:10 Doesn't matter Mar 13 16:14:17 SD card's not in the slot when I reboot Mar 13 16:14:17 eichi, try opening/closing battery cover? Mar 13 16:14:35 this should trigger remount loop Mar 13 16:15:17 there is something with EAC mode: play disable, rec disable Mar 13 16:15:27 that's power saving Mar 13 16:15:29 is this something from mmc? Mar 13 16:15:32 doesn't matter Mar 13 16:15:33 aah okay Mar 13 16:15:41 then there is no message from mmc Mar 13 16:16:13 does anyone know where i can find the black theme shown here http://browser.garage.maemo.org/pics/wml.png ??? Mar 13 16:16:37 it's os2007 Mar 13 16:16:39 i believe Mar 13 16:17:08 It is os2007 Mar 13 16:17:50 will it work with 08? Mar 13 16:18:01 if someone ported it to it.. Mar 13 16:18:01 Does os2007 themes need modification to work with os2008? If not, I will probably unpack 2007 image Mar 13 16:18:04 oh skeen Mar 13 16:18:10 I just got your message now Mar 13 16:18:57 Are png/jpg/image files named the same in os2007 as in os2008? Mar 13 16:21:39 i don't know i'm new to meamo Mar 13 16:23:13 Same here, I got mine 2 months ago but I've learnt quite a bit? @KotCzarny or anyone, know where to get the sigc++-2.0' package for scratchbox? Thanks :) Mar 13 16:25:35 hmm Mar 13 16:26:30 i don't know if skype depends on it Mar 13 16:27:08 Package: libsigc++-2.0-0c2a Mar 13 16:27:11 Filename: pool/chinook/free/libs/libsigc++-2.0/libsigc++-2.0-0c2a_2.0.17-0maemo2_armel.deb Mar 13 16:27:22 it's in extras Mar 13 16:27:24 i believe Mar 13 16:27:30 Ok, thanks :) Mar 13 16:28:34 sratchbox is used to compile source code for maemo's kernal right? Mar 13 16:28:53 Not really kernel Mar 13 16:28:59 But for the maemo os Mar 13 16:29:11 but maemo isnt a os - lol, im wasted :P Mar 13 16:29:19 :) Mar 13 16:31:27 lol Mar 13 16:56:19 hi there Mar 13 16:56:57 has somebody time for me to help me mount my external harddrive?? Mar 13 16:57:06 ? Mar 13 16:57:33 with ntfs-3g Mar 13 16:57:35 .. Mar 13 16:57:59 have toy got fuse an ntfs--3g compiled? Mar 13 16:58:05 s/toy/you/ Mar 13 16:58:05 KotCzarny meant: have you got fuse an ntfs--3g compiled? Mar 13 16:58:17 s/an/a/ Mar 13 16:58:17 KotCzarny meant: have toy got fuse a ntfs--3g compiled? Mar 13 17:02:08 i have installed the packages from the iTT-forum... Mar 13 17:02:10 ... Mar 13 17:02:28 they say it should work but it doesn't Mar 13 17:02:37 define 'doesn't' Mar 13 17:20:09 so anybody got news on fmopl.c running on the DSP? :/ Mar 13 17:20:19 so can you help me make my external harddrive work under my n800?? Mar 13 17:22:55 i have no idea Mar 13 17:26:59 http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17811 Mar 13 17:27:13 but it doesn't work for me.. Mar 13 17:27:32 What's the default user password? Mar 13 17:27:55 blank Mar 13 17:28:00 it's locked Mar 13 17:28:16 can't SSH in as user? Mar 13 17:28:16 you have to use passwd util to set one Mar 13 17:28:22 yup Mar 13 17:28:31 meh Mar 13 17:28:39 set a password Mar 13 17:28:43 then you will Mar 13 17:30:14 check out the builder for maemo-extras https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/wiki/index.php?BuildMe&id=602&type=g Mar 13 17:30:48 * Mousey wishes he could build things for maemo Mar 13 17:30:48 cool. Mar 13 17:32:59 Oh good; will somebody be setting up an autobuild daemon then? Mar 13 17:35:30 don't know Mar 13 17:36:04 add autohildonizer Mar 13 17:36:13 :> Mar 13 17:36:16 :P Mar 13 17:36:19 that would be cool Mar 13 17:37:19 What if the autohildonizer was actually a chinese sweatshop? Mar 13 17:37:37 navi: as long it does the right job, i don't mind Mar 13 17:37:38 :) Mar 13 17:37:40 http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/sys/599978424.html Mar 13 17:37:43 huh Mar 13 17:38:03 vista on handheld? Mar 13 17:38:08 only 1200, awesome Mar 13 17:38:10 yeah Mar 13 17:38:12 * KotCzarny throws up Mar 13 17:38:17 all the cool UMPCs come with it Mar 13 17:38:20 i installed the plankton theme. does anyone know how to change the panel icons to match the theme? Mar 13 17:38:21 uh Mar 13 17:38:41 anyone got a bead on wesnoth 1.4 for maemo? Mar 13 17:38:54 speaking of autohildonizing Mar 13 17:45:12 there's a wesnoth iirc Mar 13 17:46:37 yea, 1.2 Mar 13 17:46:37 have it Mar 13 17:46:41 but 1.4 just came out Mar 13 17:46:56 now's my chance to prove to the hotties that i'm really l33t! Mar 13 17:47:24 but i don't know who's maintaining the package, and/or if there's gonna be a new one Mar 13 17:47:49 it's a battle isle clone? Mar 13 17:48:10 what's battle isle? Mar 13 17:48:26 * Mousey googles Mar 13 17:48:39 strategy game with hexa field Mar 13 17:48:56 i remember it from amiga times Mar 13 17:48:57 :) Mar 13 17:49:07 ah, no Mar 13 17:49:10 fantasy genre Mar 13 17:49:25 but strategy battle etc. ? Mar 13 17:49:35 hmm, yea i guess so Mar 13 17:49:43 then it's a clone Mar 13 17:49:44 :> Mar 13 17:49:46 it's super fun Mar 13 17:49:48 imo Mar 13 17:49:54 well all TBS's are clones in that case Mar 13 17:50:08 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/bc/Battle_Isle_2_screenshot.png Mar 13 17:50:09 :) Mar 13 17:51:07 can't build structures Mar 13 17:51:27 you're undercutting it by comparing it to something so quaint, tho Mar 13 17:51:36 it's from 1993 Mar 13 17:51:38 mind you Mar 13 17:51:39 :) Mar 13 17:51:40 two wesnoth threads: Mar 13 17:51:43 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13944&highlight=wesnoth Mar 13 17:51:52 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5338&highlight=wesnoth Mar 13 17:52:10 pupnik: thx!!!!! Mar 13 17:52:21 i think i should probably start reading itt more often if i'm gonna own this thing huh Mar 13 17:52:42 and use the search function too :) Mar 13 17:52:46 :) Mar 13 17:53:42 I've somehow managed to break my ability to update software with apt-get and the Application Manager. Whenevr I try to update any packages, it tells me it can't because there are dependancies that aren't available. Can someone help me please? Mar 13 17:54:06 have you removed some repos? Mar 13 17:55:24 I had not when this all started. Since then, I've removed them all and then added all the repositories from this page: http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php?lang=en&system=maemo4&sort=hits&show_pck=125 Mar 13 17:55:46 I also tried reflashing and not restoring my Applications list from my backup Mar 13 17:55:59 OS2008 on N800, btw Mar 13 17:56:10 huh.. too much is a bad thing Mar 13 17:56:12 usually Mar 13 17:56:13 apt-get update as root from xterm? Mar 13 17:56:41 pupnik: That fails. Hold on and I'll get you the error msg. Mar 13 17:57:32 also i see maemo-bora Mar 13 17:57:38 on the list you have shown Mar 13 17:57:47 that will break your dependencies Mar 13 17:57:59 start with the top 5 repos Mar 13 17:58:21 I was having this problem before adding those repos. I will delete them all and just add the top 5 though Mar 13 17:58:48 Hey - one of my most favorite features in OS2008 is the integration of chat, SIP, and other protocols in one presence application. Mar 13 17:58:56 Is that called Mission Control? Mar 13 17:58:56 http://mission-control.sourceforge.net/ Mar 13 18:00:07 that's part of it Mar 13 18:00:11 I was reading on the latest GNOME release notes that they integrated this Nokia developed package, so it made me ponder whether it was developed for Maemo or not. Mar 13 18:00:17 it's mainly based on the telepathy framework Mar 13 18:00:22 http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/ Mar 13 18:00:29 Yes, look at http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org/ - the feedback section Mar 13 18:01:06 It is so awesome. I have three different SIP accounts routed through it, yet the configuration is so simple. Mar 13 18:02:01 These are the kind of features that will make people want to move toward open communication standards. Mar 13 18:02:16 ... and away from the current Skype standard. Mar 13 18:02:33 that, and marketing Mar 13 18:04:20 Ok, I deleted all my repos, then re-added just the first 5 on that list Mar 13 18:04:28 Now apt-get update and the apt-get upgrade? Mar 13 18:04:40 update i guess Mar 13 18:07:08 People don't care much about the fact Skype is closed, but open protocols have the potential for great interconnectivity. That's something people will use decisively. Just taking a long time for it to happen. (Love to see a SIP and Jabber API in Firefox, for example.) Mar 13 18:07:35 tell that to phone companies.. Mar 13 18:08:51 what an example of a SIP account? Mar 13 18:09:10 I talked a couple of my Linux-using buddies into getting N800s. One of them started using (can't remember the application name) so he can roll his mouse off his desktop and onto the N800 and start typing there. Pretty cool. Mar 13 18:09:22 synergy? Mar 13 18:09:24 Yes Mar 13 18:09:37 huh didnt know it had been ported, thats interesting Mar 13 18:09:56 i use it for desktop and lappy Mar 13 18:10:13 This is the fastest, easiest way to get started with SIP: http://gizmo5.com/pc/products/desktop/ Mar 13 18:10:38 oh right Mar 13 18:10:39 Google talk also supports SIP, but Gizmo makes it easy to call POTS (regular telephone) lines Mar 13 18:10:41 bbl Mar 13 18:10:46 ntyc Mar 13 18:10:56 is sip mainly for voice? Mar 13 18:11:04 SIP is all voice Mar 13 18:11:09 oh ok Mar 13 18:11:15 I thought GTalk was Jabber Mar 13 18:11:31 SIP is nice because it can get over NAT gateways easily Mar 13 18:11:39 im trying to figure out the best way to get a local number i can answer on my n810 Mar 13 18:11:49 Gizmo Mar 13 18:12:04 no question in my mind, Gizmo is what you want to get started Mar 13 18:12:06 are you very familiar with it? Mar 13 18:12:09 Yes Mar 13 18:12:11 Vonage will give you a 2nd line that you can configure on any SIP client for $10 a month Mar 13 18:12:16 500 mins outgoign calls, unlimited incoming Mar 13 18:12:48 so can I do like, if my n810 is online, i can get a call their, otherwise, home computer can answering-machine it? Mar 13 18:13:21 well - not sure about that Mar 13 18:13:35 I use it in replacement of a home line Mar 13 18:13:43 magicrobotmonkey: voicemail for SIP accounts is usually server-based I think. Mar 13 18:13:53 so you pay gizmo for a local number? Mar 13 18:13:54 if you don't pick it up, then it goes to a voice mail that emails you Mar 13 18:13:56 ahh i see Mar 13 18:14:00 right Mar 13 18:14:02 desertc: google talk is much better at getting over NATs thant SIP Mar 13 18:14:20 SIP usually works because your provider gateways every single call and they're not behind a NAT Mar 13 18:14:29 with gtalk, google only need to gateway about 5% of calls Mar 13 18:14:31 Robot101: Okay - and the OS2008 lets you integrate those two together Mar 13 18:14:42 yes, its nice isn't it :D Mar 13 18:14:45 we're working on a GNOME UI for it Mar 13 18:14:49 called Empathy Mar 13 18:14:54 http://live.gnome.org/Empathy Mar 13 18:15:00 magicrobotmonkey: http://gizmo5.com/pc/network/callin-numbers/?PHPSESSID=b53f618be14ec255cdbc6c72eb3107f0 Mar 13 18:15:13 oops, disregard the part after /? Mar 13 18:15:25 What you want is a "Call In" featue Mar 13 18:15:29 *feature Mar 13 18:15:53 They have (603) numbers Mar 13 18:16:28 yea Mar 13 18:16:35 i was looking for that Mar 13 18:16:38 thanks Mar 13 18:16:59 I got the call-in number for a year and a ton of call-out minutes --- cost me much less than one month of cell phone use Mar 13 18:17:10 heh no kidding Mar 13 18:17:35 Then, I found an even better deal on call-out minutes (about 0.01$ less per minute) and I tied THAT account into my N800 too Mar 13 18:17:55 whoa Mar 13 18:18:00 So now I have Gizmo, Diamond (cheap callout), and Google Talk all under the same interface Mar 13 18:18:10 first it says $35/year, then $99/year Mar 13 18:18:17 All transparent to me Mar 13 18:18:19 oh so you dont need to install gizmo? Mar 13 18:18:59 Gizmo is a pre-configured package on the N800, but there seems to be an integrated communication package already on the N800 by default Mar 13 18:19:35 It just says Internet Call in the menu Mar 13 18:19:43 right, thats what i mean Mar 13 18:20:20 That's not Gizmo Mar 13 18:20:32 But it will work with your Gizmo account Mar 13 18:20:59 do you know how google's grandcentral works? Mar 13 18:21:12 The thing I like about Gizmo is it gives you the ability to download a Gizmo client on any OS, and use your SIP account Mar 13 18:21:31 And it has support, unlike Diamond Mar 13 18:21:47 I know a little bit about G.C. Mar 13 18:21:56 is that sip too? Mar 13 18:22:10 (geez, nh numberws are 3x the base price) Mar 13 18:22:27 Not totally sure. It's still in beta. It has a nice call-in dialog though! Mar 13 18:22:46 magicrobotmonkey: NH has always had problems with their tel-coms Mar 13 18:22:47 yea, i've been watching it, but they have no nh numbers Mar 13 18:22:50 heh Mar 13 18:22:56 live free or die! Mar 13 18:23:00 read: monopoly Mar 13 18:23:47 what's nice is you can get a number anywhere - - you want to get a NYC number? sure, no problem Mar 13 18:23:55 yea Mar 13 18:24:02 you want to move across the country and keep your NH number? sure, no problem Mar 13 18:25:24 and so cheap. I pay about $20 every three or four months for my call-out minutes. Contrast that to my $100 a month for my cell phone Mar 13 18:25:39 yea Mar 13 18:25:52 im looking at 100/year for a call-in Mar 13 18:26:01 so, 1/12 my cell bill Mar 13 18:26:25 $100? I thought they were $35/year Mar 13 18:26:37 Oh, for the NH number, it's more you said Mar 13 18:26:40 yea Mar 13 18:27:06 first i have to make sure one of those numbers is actually a local call from my town though Mar 13 18:28:25 anybody using opensync with the tablet ? Mar 13 18:29:50 Q: Why is Firefox not saving my username / passwords ? Mar 13 18:30:43 oops - I guess it is sometimes. just not for some pages that Opera was handling before Mar 13 18:31:46 magicrobotmonkey: The Call-In feature is expensive because they have to negotiate that with the phone companies. Once everyone moves to SIP-to-SIP calling, we're going to be making calls worldwide for peanuts. Mar 13 18:32:05 right Mar 13 18:33:17 and that's going to happen sooner than people think. All the linux cellphones coming out this year ... you can bet they will support SIP calling Mar 13 18:34:13 The question is -- will we all be using cell-phone infrastructure to get on the net, or a more open wi-fi or wi-max network. Mar 13 18:34:44 I don't think this VOIP stuff is as amazing or disruptive as we'd like it to be :P Mar 13 18:35:13 Why? Mar 13 18:35:21 wi-fi hotspots are basically useless to me, they have too many wide/varied providers and logons, and too high prices, for me to bother being a member of (m)any of them Mar 13 18:35:55 yea but wi-max is getting close Mar 13 18:36:01 and n also helps Mar 13 18:36:03 yes, so who provides wi-max? Mar 13 18:36:04 People spend 90% of their time between home and work where they have free wifi Mar 13 18:36:11 your friendly cell operator Mar 13 18:36:23 It's just a matter of figuring out the last 10% Mar 13 18:36:29 who, oh, still charge you for your usage. its not like it becomes free suddenly just because its data and not a call. Mar 13 18:36:31 think sprint'll make you get voice to get data? Mar 13 18:37:00 didn't say anything about free Mar 13 18:37:06 no, they'll charge you for the data, and the more people use data and the less they use voice... they're not just going to lower their profits because they feel like it. Mar 13 18:37:07 Robot101: I can make VoIP calls over my cellphone data plan which costs $20 a month Mar 13 18:37:15 but it would be nice to get it down to one pipe Mar 13 18:37:26 desertc: who's that with? Mar 13 18:37:30 t-mobile Mar 13 18:37:51 mm thats unlimited data? and bt tethering? Mar 13 18:38:01 how it gets to me is of little concern. it probably makes it easier for them if their network and infrastructure can make all of the stuff go over voip, but if all the voice traffic turns into data traffic, they're still going to charge us for it, and on average, it'll end up costing us the same. Mar 13 18:38:05 Now, I also pay $80 for a cellphone plan, but -- it's just an example Mar 13 18:38:41 now it's somehow magical/mystical because voip can make things cheaper because it's not the usual way of doing it, but the gap will close, and ultimately the cards all still lie with the people who connect us to the internet. Mar 13 18:39:21 not that I'm saying its pointless, there are a lot of places (international call charges, operator hand-off, etc) where voip can be (and already is) very disruptive to people's profit margins Mar 13 18:39:32 Robot101: As always, it's about adding competition to the mix. Right now, you have five cellphone provides. There are 1,000s of SIP providers. And you can even get vendors who will compete just for your voicemail business. Mar 13 18:39:40 but between my mobile/tablet and the rest of the world, the guy who paid to put a mast in every town will always win. Mar 13 18:40:42 The only thing I cannot do with SIP right now is talk in my car. Now, that's illegal in most states, but it is useful in tight pinches. Otherwise, I would scrap my cell phone. Mar 13 18:40:53 * Mousey says: to hell with the profit margins of companies who aren't paying Mousey! Mar 13 18:41:01 :-D Mar 13 18:41:59 desertc: It's not illegal with a Bluetooth headset, is it? Mar 13 18:42:23 no idead Mar 13 18:42:27 -d Mar 13 18:42:30 Probably not Mar 13 18:47:33 just hypothetically, we could have wifi in every car and use the mesh networking technology ala XO laptops in cars Mar 13 18:48:33 that technology is already there - just the infrastructure is needed. Would be within our grasp to put a public wifi spot every 500 meters on streets Mar 13 18:48:53 There already is in a lot of places Mar 13 18:49:04 Well, public by default :) Mar 13 18:49:06 a *lot* of place? Mar 13 18:49:19 Yeah, like anywhere there's residences Mar 13 18:49:24 oh right Mar 13 18:49:52 yea in cambridge, i would pick up 4-5 unsecure and 4-5 secure hotspots from my apartment Mar 13 18:50:05 That sounds about right for me too Mar 13 18:50:17 we *could* have this right now, but we choose to let corporations try and profit from passing bits around in the air Mar 13 18:50:39 and even here in nh, i get 3 unsecure and 1 secure Mar 13 18:50:43 not including mine Mar 13 18:50:43 and, like any infrastructure, you get monopolies Mar 13 18:50:53 well, thats what fon's trying to do Mar 13 18:51:29 but the problem with their model is you still have the last mile on the other side of the router Mar 13 18:52:58 and, so, people would say that everyone would download huge files on public networks, and that's probably true, but you regulate infrastructure - just like roads. Imagine if no city had public roads because there might be people who *gasp* would use it for trucks. Mar 13 18:53:48 i think part of the problem is, its hard to get techincally competent people in government Mar 13 18:54:16 and the other part is, its in a lot of big companies financial interest not to see this kind of stuff happen Mar 13 18:54:26 and I think the problem is that we have monopolies on our communication methods and airwaves. Mar 13 18:56:09 I'm all for companies being able to make money on services, but we should never have given corps ownership of our infrastructure. Mar 13 18:57:48 I don't know what it will take to own it again, but hopefully Google managed to buy some of that FCC spectrum and will release it for wifi, wi-max devices Mar 13 18:58:33 Anyone use a N800 on a university campus with wifi throughout the area? I bet it works like a champ. Mar 13 18:58:44 I did Mar 13 18:59:34 desertc: I do at school. They have some stupid "CleanAgent" software that makes it a PITA to connect w/ a Windows computer, the N800 has no trouble. Mar 13 18:59:42 That's an example of the communication infrastructure being owned by the residence. Hopefully this model will get adopted more widely. Mar 13 18:59:49 *residents Mar 13 19:01:16 hello Mar 13 19:02:43 http://www.fastforwardblog.com/2008/01/11/the-last-web-frontier-the-car/ Mar 13 19:05:20 hello Mar 13 19:08:08 any howto to make a deb package for chinook? Im following this (http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_simpledeb/) but when i try to install it on a real device it says the package is incomplete Mar 13 19:10:29 nice howtto link fugitivo - ty Mar 13 19:10:37 lol Mar 13 19:11:28 i <3 ettercap Mar 13 19:13:32 fugitivo: if you ar x your package you should have debian-binary, control.tar.gz and data.tar.gz Mar 13 19:15:32 I have Mar 13 19:15:55 maybe it says incompatible, not incomplete? Mar 13 19:15:56 :) Mar 13 19:16:03 i found this Mar 13 19:16:04 http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/creating_a_debian_package.html Mar 13 19:16:10 red pill? Mar 13 19:16:12 totally diferent from the other one Mar 13 19:20:21 well it's harder to create a deb package than porting an application to maemo :) Mar 13 19:20:27 hehe Mar 13 19:20:36 Hi Mar 13 19:20:37 but only first time Mar 13 19:21:06 KotCzarny: is the first tutorial correct or it doesn't work for os2008? Mar 13 19:21:10 Can you encrypt data on a nokia N series tablet? Mar 13 19:21:14 http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_simpledeb/ <- this one Mar 13 19:21:21 i don't know Mar 13 19:21:34 i too have to learn how to createe =debs Mar 13 19:21:44 in slackware it's easier ;) Mar 13 19:21:50 I'm looking to get one for work, but am afraid of losing it and people getting what's on it Mar 13 19:22:11 Just got another call on my Gizmo Line-In . Gosh, I love my N800 Mar 13 19:22:22 HollyCHolly: i believe there was truecrypt ported Mar 13 19:22:30 So if there's encryption then i'll get an N series table Mar 13 19:22:31 If you really know what you are doing, I don't see why you couldn't get EncFS or Loop-AES working. Mar 13 19:22:35 *tablet Mar 13 19:22:45 Anyone else see the SIP calls where the incoming sound does not work for 10 seconds or so? Mar 13 19:22:47 truecrypt is easier Mar 13 19:22:51 and has a gui Mar 13 19:22:52 :) Mar 13 19:22:59 Where do I find out if this truecrypt was ported? Mar 13 19:23:10 there you go. Mar 13 19:23:16 google. :) Mar 13 19:23:20 "truecrypt maemo" Mar 13 19:23:21 :) Mar 13 19:23:34 OK Mar 13 19:23:54 http://mike.saunby.googlepages.com/truecryptforn800 Mar 13 19:24:29 KotCzarny: you are right, it says "incompatible application package" :) Mar 13 19:24:44 desertc: me Mar 13 19:24:52 desertc: with outgoing calls too Mar 13 19:24:59 fugitivo: hah, i'm right again :> Mar 13 19:25:45 then i'll try to follow the second howto Mar 13 19:25:45 creap Mar 13 19:25:51 its harder Mar 13 19:25:54 fugitivo: I never saw that happen in OS2007. I think it is a bug. Mar 13 19:26:10 maybe you simply have to add chinook or armel tag Mar 13 19:27:45 mmm Mar 13 19:39:55 Anyone get truecrypt working on their nokia? Mar 13 19:40:21 http://mike.saunby.googlepages.com/truecryptforn800 Mar 13 19:41:35 this is a pain in the ass Mar 13 19:43:47 hi, anyone get booting off mmc slot working with n800 and latest os2008? Mar 13 19:44:19 Package must have "Section: user/FOO" to be considered compatible Mar 13 19:44:20 wtf Mar 13 19:44:22 schu: yes I think so Mar 13 19:44:27 :) Mar 13 19:44:34 fugitivo: it's because safety mode Mar 13 19:44:44 if you use redpill it doesn't have to Mar 13 19:44:45 i have Mar 13 19:44:48 i can't even get the initfs to decompress >.< Mar 13 19:44:50 Section: unstable Mar 13 19:44:54 isn't that enough? Mar 13 19:44:56 tar says not right magic or whatever Mar 13 19:45:05 schu: why are you trying to decompress initfs? Mar 13 19:45:15 cuz it comes in .tgz... Mar 13 19:45:35 hmm I was talking about the rootfs on mmc not the initfs Mar 13 19:46:00 well the guide listed off maemo site uses that to move Mar 13 19:46:15 * KotCzarny used mc Mar 13 19:46:17 ;) Mar 13 19:46:47 http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_easily_boot_from_mmc_card/ is what i was looking off of Mar 13 19:49:09 and you are trying to untar the downloaded file call ed initfs_flasher.tgz? Mar 13 19:49:35 ya Mar 13 19:50:26 says invalid gzip magic, is file getting corrupted? Mar 13 19:51:41 perhaps your webbrowser already unpacked it , try without the z Mar 13 19:52:02 inval tar magic XD Mar 13 19:52:07 so tar xvf initfs_flasher.tgz Mar 13 19:52:17 schu: do: file initfs_flasher.tgz Mar 13 19:52:25 that should tell you what it is Mar 13 19:52:25 :) Mar 13 19:53:08 no file cmd Mar 13 19:53:23 schu: do you have pc handy? Mar 13 19:53:23 :) Mar 13 19:53:32 btw, tar xvzf works on my linux box Mar 13 19:53:49 for decompressing that file Mar 13 19:53:53 on nokia there's a substitute for tar and gzip Mar 13 19:53:57 hi Mar 13 19:53:57 could be incompatible Mar 13 19:54:37 just quick question.. has anyone tried that vmware image made by indt. guite nice :) Mar 13 19:54:52 wom-: yes, it is nice indeed Mar 13 19:55:01 hum, i guess i flash down to one of the listed firmwares and see if it works Mar 13 19:55:05 wom-: setanta is the guy who did it Mar 13 19:55:11 one problem though, network doesn't work from scratchbox for me. tried all nssswitch stuff and that but no success :/ Mar 13 19:55:24 just repackage it and try Mar 13 19:55:36 nice work from setanta. very light weight Mar 13 19:55:37 how do you tranfer the files over? Mar 13 19:55:43 wom-: is it just sbox or the whole vm? Mar 13 19:55:55 wom-, thanks Mar 13 19:55:56 etrunko: network works from vm Mar 13 19:56:45 i just wanted to update python to 2.5 but repository can't be resolved. then i realized that host resolving doesn't work Mar 13 19:57:36 cat /etc/resolv.conf Mar 13 19:57:48 its same as in vm Mar 13 19:58:18 can you ping the dns servers? Mar 13 19:58:53 they work from vm. no ping in scratchbox at the moment :) Mar 13 19:59:11 yes, try wget Mar 13 19:59:17 wget www.google.com Mar 13 19:59:28 why my n810 wifi connection sucks? Mar 13 19:59:35 doesnt work. tried it already :) Mar 13 19:59:35 it should download the index.html Mar 13 19:59:41 ouch Mar 13 19:59:42 so its generic name resolving problem Mar 13 19:59:43 is that power saving that sucks? Mar 13 19:59:53 yes Mar 13 20:00:08 but it works in the same matter on laptops too Mar 13 20:00:17 ssh to my n810 is a pain in the ass Mar 13 20:00:21 do you have to choose, latency or battery power Mar 13 20:00:25 my Eee works great with wifi Mar 13 20:00:34 fugitivo: change power saving from max to moderate Mar 13 20:00:40 that will do the trick Mar 13 20:01:04 fugitivo: then you eee doesn't use extreme powersaving for wifi Mar 13 20:01:04 ;) Mar 13 20:01:11 ill turn it off Mar 13 20:01:15 no Mar 13 20:01:17 just lower Mar 13 20:01:19 believe me Mar 13 20:01:20 :) Mar 13 20:01:24 setanta: any pointers where to look next. checked host: files dns in nsswitch. resolv.conf is same as in vm Mar 13 20:01:52 qwerty12: what does 'cp' mean? Mar 13 20:01:53 :> Mar 13 20:02:13 oh thats much better Mar 13 20:02:21 wom-, just a question: the networking inside sbox stopped working, or never worked at all? Mar 13 20:02:29 setanta: never worked Mar 13 20:02:47 not true Mar 13 20:02:52 yes! my deb packaged installed succesfully Mar 13 20:02:53 i can use wget from sbox Mar 13 20:02:54 :) Mar 13 20:02:59 Navit for the people Mar 13 20:03:08 I mean the help you gave me on copy cmd :) @Kot Mar 13 20:03:12 i had to fix mac address in vm to get network working in vm.. so hmm. maybe i should fix it somehow in scratchbox Mar 13 20:03:46 qwerty12: ah, ok, my dirty mind knows other meaning of 'cp' Mar 13 20:03:47 ;) Mar 13 20:04:02 haha Mar 13 20:04:18 Lol, i'm extremely dirty but cp iz a new one :p :D Mar 13 20:04:28 ;) Mar 13 20:04:49 yeah.. internet is full of suprises.. Mar 13 20:04:50 ;) Mar 13 20:04:57 surprises Mar 13 20:05:09 wom-, i will start up a vm and check it out Mar 13 20:05:25 OMG Mar 13 20:05:30 CP  (CANADIAN PAC RAILWAY) :p Mar 13 20:05:31 ;))) Mar 13 20:06:08 setanta: oh thanks for help :) Mar 13 20:07:00 setanta: i can see eth0 in scratchbox so its not mac address.. or most likely it is not that Mar 13 20:07:27 http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cp Mar 13 20:07:27 ;) Mar 13 20:08:36 Oh **** lol, i better edit my post... Mar 13 20:08:48 ;) Mar 13 20:09:05 what has been seen, cannot be unseen Mar 13 20:09:06 (; Mar 13 20:10:17 wom-, are you starting sbox with the icon in the vm's desktop, or from the command line? Mar 13 20:10:43 icon Mar 13 20:10:58 hmm Mar 13 20:11:31 the icon calls a script that always copies the vm's resolv.conf to all the targets Mar 13 20:11:51 before start sbox and Xephyr Mar 13 20:12:19 ah, ok thats why my changes to resolv.conf got erased when i tried changing :) Mar 13 20:12:28 :) Mar 13 20:12:46 i put that just to make sure Mar 13 20:13:06 you said before that you changed something in the vm in respect to the mac address or something like it Mar 13 20:13:17 what was that exactly? Mar 13 20:13:38 it had put my network card mac to eth1 Mar 13 20:13:47 and i couldn't see any cards Mar 13 20:14:08 i erased line with eth0 and changed eth1 to eth0.. this was in ... file that i cant remember Mar 13 20:14:19 checked the mac from vm's vmx config file Mar 13 20:14:36 after that i got eth0 to vm and network in it started to work Mar 13 20:15:41 wom-, /etc/network/interfaces Mar 13 20:16:06 nope.. wait i'll try to remember and check google Mar 13 20:17:11 setanta: is there anyway to transfer your scratchbox install to my real linux install? I cannot do much now as i am away from computer. I don't really like Mar 13 20:17:15 vmware Mar 13 20:18:22 I hate hildon kbd :(. I planned to finish off that sentence :( Mar 13 20:18:32 :P Mar 13 20:18:41 qwerty12_N800, i think copying the /scratchbox directory from vm to host should work Mar 13 20:18:57 Ok, thanks :) Mar 13 20:19:00 maybe some small problems Mar 13 20:19:22 for scratchbox expects your username in it to be the same outside Mar 13 20:20:04 in other words, the vm's scratchbox expects you to be "maemo" Mar 13 20:20:07 setanta: it was this /etc/udev//rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules Mar 13 20:20:57 I may make a new account then because I really like the image but not vmware and i dont really want to emulate linux on linux. Anyway , thank you again. Mar 13 20:22:03 setanta: in scratchbox and in vm i have eth0 looking similar when chekcing with ifconfig Mar 13 20:25:04 qwerty12_N800, till now the vm is produced "manually", but i'm working on some scripts to install everything Mar 13 20:25:20 they could be useful in your case Mar 13 20:25:46 wom-, strange... for me at least :) Mar 13 20:26:12 for me too.. i will see if i can resolve this. i will let you know then :) Mar 13 20:26:54 Ahh, ok. I think it may be worth waiting then (i'm not holding you to anything :)). Thanks and i have my question answered so i will step back Mar 13 20:29:39 setanta: network works when using just ip.. Mar 13 20:29:42 very strange Mar 13 20:29:44 :) Mar 13 20:29:59 wom-, yes, tell me, i want to know that :) Mar 13 20:30:16 i mean, about you other sentence Mar 13 20:30:23 :) Mar 13 20:30:35 yes, everything should be zeroconf like Mar 13 20:41:15 hi Mar 13 20:42:36 ok Mar 13 20:42:46 canola2-beta6 packages available Mar 13 20:45:31 \o/ Mar 13 20:46:56 bleh, dumb ver diff between os2008 v1 and v2 for tar >.< Mar 13 20:47:48 is there simple way to upgrade packages to v2 with apt from os2008 v1? Mar 13 20:50:33 hi,quick and stupid question, i just made a usb connector for host mode and i get this when i plug an other device ( the other device is self powered and is seen as an usb mass storage ) http://pastebin.ca/941623 Mar 13 20:52:12 wait vfall may be related to usb power Mar 13 20:54:01 i think i got that exact message when my usb stick wasn't properly attached Mar 13 20:55:49 hmm, the other message is this, depend of the mass storage attached "tusb_otg_ints 833: vbus too slow, devctl 11" Mar 13 20:57:43 you sure the cable works? :) Mar 13 20:58:12 did you try keyboard for example? Mar 13 20:59:59 yes, ok i ve to try again, i ve found my tester, i try the cable Mar 13 21:05:38 any of you put omniorb on an n800? Mar 13 21:10:22 Has everyone already tested the rotation support? Mar 13 21:10:22 http://behindmaemolines.blogspot.com/2008/03/screen-rotation-support-on-os2008-n8x0.html Mar 13 21:10:34 i will Mar 13 21:10:36 some day Mar 13 21:10:44 I just tested. takes 5 mins. Mar 13 21:10:50 i have already patched kernel and compiled xomap Mar 13 21:10:50 rocks ... totally rocks! Mar 13 21:11:05 All you then need is this: http://sse2.net/rotate/rotate.install Mar 13 21:11:13 Install that and you are done Mar 13 21:11:52 well.. install the xomap of course as well Mar 13 21:11:57 hehe Mar 13 21:12:21 browser is truly great with it Mar 13 21:14:50 and how's the matchbox doing with it? Mar 13 21:14:55 post some screenshots Mar 13 21:15:08 menus, apps, etc Mar 13 21:15:12 Check the video on : http://behindmaemolines.blogspot.com/2008/03/screen-rotation-support-on-os2008-n8x0.html Mar 13 21:15:19 lol, my fault it works now, i redo the connector Mar 13 21:15:20 That shows it much better Mar 13 21:15:42 The only problem really is the app launcher menu. Mar 13 21:16:00 And some apps support the portrait better than others Mar 13 21:16:01 having pictures could be more usefull Mar 13 21:16:22 I'm just about to go to bed, so no screenshots from me. Mar 13 21:16:53 hiding left bar could be great Mar 13 21:17:48 true! Mar 13 21:33:10 helou Mar 13 21:33:38 spirytusik: nie jestem zarejestrowany na freenode, jak cos to #kotc Mar 13 21:33:39 :) Mar 13 21:34:08 bosz :) Mar 13 21:34:09 sorki Mar 13 21:34:12 :) Mar 13 21:34:24 jest #kotc Mar 13 21:35:13 jestem kenne z danii, but i do not speak polish :P Mar 13 21:37:40 kenne, :) Mar 13 21:48:46 what is the usb connector,mini,micro,dwaf Mar 13 21:49:03 mini on n800, micro on n810 ? Mar 13 21:49:13 tx Mar 13 21:49:22 i'm not sure about n810 Mar 13 21:50:36 hi Mar 13 21:51:12 someone know why this warning ? cx3110x: WARNING prism_softmac_frame_tx_done() returned an empty frame. Mar 13 21:51:16 guys, take care, morpheus calling... Mar 13 21:51:40 babelo: because of power savings? Mar 13 21:51:48 and closed driverness Mar 13 21:52:15 * lcuk has finally made 800*480 xv mode flicker.. Mar 13 21:52:33 hey folks Mar 13 21:52:40 lcuk: try xrandr patch Mar 13 21:52:43 KotCzarny: ok, just curious about all thismessage ;) Mar 13 21:52:49 does anyone knows anything about how to make austrian web shop code work with german one?:) Mar 13 21:52:56 480x800 reader will be interesting Mar 13 21:53:11 no its not rotation or scaling - i think i just made the cpu overwork itself. Mar 13 21:53:21 reading is rock solid 800*480 Mar 13 21:53:32 lcuk: but will your code work on rotated screen ? Mar 13 21:53:44 i was blitting >1000 x,y locations onto random positions and made it flicker Mar 13 21:54:22 it should do once i finish putting in the ttf font code - its still based around fixed aspect sdl_ttf at the mo and scaling looks crap Mar 13 21:54:48 i dont need r&r if i am just blitting rectangles - i just initialise the font sideways if required Mar 13 21:54:54 don't scale then, just change font? Mar 13 21:54:57 its no extra work Mar 13 21:55:34 sdl_ttf is fixed at 72 dpi square - if i ask it to make me a bitmap of a 20 point font then rotate it sideways it looks awful Mar 13 21:56:02 its a similar problem to when i am using a lower res screen - a 20 point font on a 400*480 or 800*240 screen looks fat or tall Mar 13 21:56:31 i need the proper ttf code putting in so i can request a specific dpi - i however got sidetracked Mar 13 21:56:50 you will end up hacking it anyway Mar 13 21:56:51 :) Mar 13 21:56:59 anyone?^_^ Mar 13 21:57:11 * lcuk damns the conversation about the camera the other night Mar 13 21:57:23 :) Mar 13 21:57:32 i wont hack it - i will just ask for a specific correct dpi and using that Mar 13 21:57:37 :> Mar 13 21:58:20 although - i might not end up using fonts at all - i put in pressure support to the mouse and have been considering reading the book in my own handwriting Mar 13 21:59:40 i would hate that Mar 13 21:59:48 my handwriting is illegible Mar 13 21:59:48 :) Mar 13 21:59:55 KotCzarny, regarding r&r support, i cant expect that to be usable for the end user because they would need a kernel mod installing and i cant feasibly thrust that on folks - i may just end up ioctl'ing and getting my current screen rotated Mar 13 22:00:19 its all in the lcd driver, it just needs triggering Mar 13 22:00:38 yes, but it needs a kernel patch to enable that ioctl Mar 13 22:00:42 i think Mar 13 22:01:21 not that i saw - when i was first looking i was playing with the omapfb code and randomly poking - i believe in amongst that i rotated the screen Mar 13 22:01:33 :) Mar 13 22:02:06 i would trust more simple kernel patch than leaving kernel/fb at unknown state Mar 13 22:02:15 i would have to go over my notes and see but basically you send a rectangle of data and the correct bits it will display in the orientation and placement you say Mar 13 22:02:55 it reverts at next refresh - you set the bit before sending it - its similar to the scaling hacks ive seen in sdl Mar 13 22:04:02 my idea is: 'test it, use it, if enough people will report it working nokia will release updated kernel too' Mar 13 22:04:30 it will become useless anyway if xr&r gets into the kernel - cross your fingers and hope for nokia - the problem is that so far it only useful for *nothing* hildon doesnt fully support it yet Mar 13 22:04:45 lcuk: not true Mar 13 22:04:49 have you seen the vid? Mar 13 22:04:55 okay.. so, apparently the new Canola2 is out (beta6). The directions on the site clearly do not (or, in my case, did not) work... so, how do I get it? Mar 13 22:04:55 i thought hildon breaks still if you rotate it Mar 13 22:05:06 there are places where it breaks Mar 13 22:05:14 ie you cant get at everything and random things are off Mar 13 22:05:17 but reading/browsing/etc is fine Mar 13 22:05:29 evening :) Mar 13 22:05:37 yer - thought so jott - obviously its all fixable, but nokia have no reason to support it yet Mar 13 22:05:54 'features!' 'new!' Mar 13 22:05:55 ;) Mar 13 22:05:55 evening pup :) Mar 13 22:06:40 it's basically free rotation, cpu cycles wasted Mar 13 22:06:49 so why not use it Mar 13 22:07:01 erm. 'no cycles wasted' Mar 13 22:07:03 :) Mar 13 22:07:12 how about the refresh? Mar 13 22:07:19 i agree - but just because its free does not mean it adds value Mar 13 22:07:24 ah. nevermind. "Refresh Application List" first... now the beta6 shows up in the updates... Mar 13 22:07:31 does it 'tear' more when it is rotated? Mar 13 22:07:32 DMA operation from the controller - cpu isnt involved Mar 13 22:07:38 same amount Mar 13 22:07:48 lcuk: for me it adds value.. Mar 13 22:07:59 and 'wow' value Mar 13 22:08:00 :) Mar 13 22:08:16 and the rotated fbreader is really fast :) Mar 13 22:08:32 i really want it put in place because damn for the reader to read sideways will be a blessing - but from nokias pov its not essential - especially now they have a defined orientation based upon the keyboard Mar 13 22:08:44 fbreader shouldnt be slower just because its rotated Mar 13 22:08:48 i know it is Mar 13 22:09:03 its even slow going backwards by pages - sometimes it can lock up for seconds at a time Mar 13 22:09:15 and microb is nice too Mar 13 22:09:38 but i agree, the keyboard fixes the default orientation Mar 13 22:09:47 if we are on about nokia developing something worthwhile, how about blasted support for the pvr Mar 13 22:09:57 n800 is keyboardless Mar 13 22:09:58 but given that the rotation is done <1s you can flip as you like :) Mar 13 22:09:58 :) Mar 13 22:10:23 jott, giz a linky please to the deb Mar 13 22:10:28 lcuk: well making maemo/hildon resolution independed is a major win Mar 13 22:10:50 http://sse2.net/rotate/ Mar 13 22:11:15 is it possible without the plugin Mar 13 22:11:29 can it be enabled (for instance) on aa sdl window with a hack? Mar 13 22:11:39 or an x - xv panel Mar 13 22:11:48 well it uses the randr extension Mar 13 22:12:02 which automatically scales etc - i think it is because i am certain i got it rotating by messing with omapfb Mar 13 22:12:03 look at the rotation source code.. i just put it on Mar 13 22:12:09 no scaling Mar 13 22:12:10 i just noticed ;) Mar 13 22:12:19 it just changes x root screen to 480x800 Mar 13 22:12:26 brb Mar 13 22:12:34 and all rotating is invisible from app level Mar 13 22:12:59 yer kot - i know, but if i currently push an 800*480 xv window into a hildon x window which isnt fullscreen the 800*480 bits still go across but are scaled to fit automatically Mar 13 22:13:27 lcuk: why don't you try it? Mar 13 22:13:28 :) Mar 13 22:13:38 you know about xv/sdl more than me Mar 13 22:13:43 so - if i enable the rotation without changing anything else then i will get a stretched 480*800 screen Mar 13 22:13:48 no Mar 13 22:13:50 thats what im gonna do right now... Mar 13 22:13:54 :) Mar 13 22:14:03 i just got the code so ill poke around and see Mar 13 22:14:06 you get 480x800 pixels Mar 13 22:14:19 squashed into a normal hildon app window space Mar 13 22:14:22 hopefully... Mar 13 22:14:28 sideways Mar 13 22:14:32 but still 1:1 pixel ratio Mar 13 22:14:39 no i dont Mar 13 22:14:55 lcd internally is in tv mode which scales any input to fit the defined area Mar 13 22:15:10 you think at ioctl level Mar 13 22:15:19 patch makes it invisible to user Mar 13 22:15:49 x server changes res to 480x800 Mar 13 22:16:01 yes - i am thinking at app specific level and not trying to rotate other peoples programs, but in absense of official nokia fix it may be enough Mar 13 22:17:09 the point of xrandr is to make rotating possible without a single line of the code changed for existing apps Mar 13 22:17:12 and anyway - specific programs MAY want a specific orientation - i know mine does Mar 13 22:17:50 if you make your app capable of rotating in itself, sure, it will work too Mar 13 22:17:50 :) Mar 13 22:17:59 yes :) Mar 13 22:18:06 but that's additional work Mar 13 22:18:19 ;) Mar 13 22:18:40 good for you to have a code in case of porting it to something else Mar 13 22:18:41 so how else am i going to get rotation and test it with multiple people if they have to install a kernel mod? Mar 13 22:19:00 kernel mod can be installed in 5 min Mar 13 22:19:01 :) Mar 13 22:19:46 its all academic anyway because i will be blitting text onto a screen one way or another Mar 13 22:19:53 :) Mar 13 22:20:20 and as for porting - if i end up on a device which doesnt have r&r, then what? Mar 13 22:20:23 but consider microb.. ;) Mar 13 22:21:05 doing roation on app level means you will have to make changes to all apps you want to use Mar 13 22:21:14 please do - it works currently. how does it look rotated? is scrolling better? Mar 13 22:21:16 xrandr way frees you from that Mar 13 22:21:51 is xrandr on 770? Mar 13 22:22:00 how about on my pocket loox? Mar 13 22:22:06 i don't have 770 Mar 13 22:22:11 and pocket loox too Mar 13 22:22:12 :) Mar 13 22:25:01 ok, nap time Mar 13 22:25:22 nite kot Mar 13 22:27:37 haha if (!InitVideo()) erk(); Mar 13 22:27:40 'erk'... Mar 13 22:28:34 is that some kind of onomatopoeia? Mar 13 22:28:58 yeah like doh() Mar 13 22:29:09 but in which language? Mar 13 22:29:11 Mar 13 22:29:18 Tama^2: if in doubt ask urbandictionary.com :) Mar 13 22:29:18 english Mar 13 22:29:30 ok Mar 13 22:29:34 I will ask Mar 13 22:29:38 :P Mar 13 22:29:56 this site can be funny sometimes ;) Mar 13 22:37:26 jott, bored? :) Mar 13 22:39:02 pupnik: not atm - but it happens once in a while :) Mar 13 22:39:55 hello, is there a maemo calender that can be synct with an other linux application (notebook) without problems? no google stuff please Mar 13 22:49:16 wow i'm getting less slightly less clueless and confused Mar 13 22:49:26 eichi: pinlico, gpe Mar 13 22:50:58 pinlico? Mar 13 22:51:15 eichi: pimlico Mar 13 22:51:35 http://www.pimlico-project.org/ Mar 13 22:52:22 i use the gpe calender on maemo Mar 13 22:52:30 but what can i use for laptop? Mar 13 22:55:15 sorry, never seen a working sync solution :P Mar 13 22:55:43 atleast on gpl basis :) Mar 13 23:11:02 does anybody know where the libflashplayer.so file is located under os2008? Mar 13 23:11:36 would it only work for the arm architecture? Mar 13 23:15:03 xrandr + n800 = woo Mar 13 23:33:17 what's the best pim in n810? Mar 13 23:34:45 search internettablettalk.com forums Mar 13 23:34:56 gpe, pimlico perhaps? Mar 13 23:56:14 pupnik: thanks Mar 13 23:56:37 Can anyone emacs user tell me the start up time for Emacs? Mar 14 00:00:36 With Canola, how do I tell it to download my podcasts to the external flash card? Mar 14 00:09:44 I've been getting a lot of "dangling symlink" errors when installing packages recently Mar 14 00:09:50 anyone had these? Mar 14 00:10:01 I just tried to install powerlaunch, and it's complaining about stuff in /etc/rc2.d Mar 14 00:14:22 Anyone have experience adding a daemon to the default runlevel? Mar 14 00:15:15 i think you just add a symlink in /etc/rc2.d but take that with grain of salt Mar 14 00:15:24 My daemon will start from a terminal if I use /etc/init.d/daemon start, but it doesn't start when I turn on the device. I've used update-rc.d daemon defaults Mar 14 00:15:34 pupnik, the symlinks exist Mar 14 00:17:43 Some things like the dbus daemon might not be running yet, causing issues, I'll research how to specify to start my daemon after a few other things Mar 14 00:19:18 Ah, I see how. Mar 14 00:19:38 update-rc.d -f daemon start 99 5 might help Mar 14 00:22:52 does that do more than create the symlink to /etc/init.d/$script ? Mar 14 00:23:15 appears it adds the numbers to the link name Mar 14 00:23:27 s/it adds/to add/ Mar 14 00:23:27 Lateralus meant: appears to add the numbers to the link name Mar 14 00:23:37 ... Mar 14 00:23:38 :p Mar 14 00:25:23 main.cpp:800: error: expected constructor, destructor, or type conversion before '.' token Mar 14 00:25:27 argh Mar 14 00:26:20 hmm, making it start last didn't help Mar 14 00:28:31 s/^hmm/Test/ Mar 14 00:28:47 oh well. Mar 14 00:31:44 Is anyone aware of a log I can check? Mar 14 00:31:52 I don't see anything in /var/log/ etc Mar 14 00:32:17 dmesg command Mar 14 00:34:17 pupnik, hmm, nada there. Mar 14 00:34:49 didn't expect anything in that log, though Mar 14 00:47:00 woohoo! compiled! Mar 14 01:07:55 Is anyone aware how the osso rss feed reader gets under the Internet menu? Mar 14 01:08:23 I thought the symlink was supposed to determine where things show in the menu, but the /etc/others-menu on my device doesn't seem to correlate to the menu layout Mar 14 01:08:44 eg, the rss feed reader is symlinked right under others-menu/ not in some internet subfolder or some such Mar 14 01:08:58 there's more to the menu than it meets the eye.. Mar 14 01:09:24 I'm seeing that :p Mar 14 01:09:29 available apps are extracted from /usr/share/applications/hildon/ Mar 14 01:09:33 or something Mar 14 01:09:41 I just want my app under the Internet menu, instead of Extras Mar 14 01:09:49 ah Mar 14 01:09:59 just settings for that Mar 14 01:10:18 settings -> control panel -> panels -> organize Mar 14 01:10:26 KotCzarny, they are, but the symlinks are supposed to determine where and in what order they show up Mar 14 01:10:40 checking that out Mar 14 01:11:17 KotCzarny, no way you know of to install in the correct place from the start? Mar 14 01:11:28 yes, there is Mar 14 01:11:56 there was a command to insert into .deb Mar 14 01:13:46 maemo-select-menu-location Mar 14 01:13:50 excellent, thanks Mar 14 01:13:50 yes Mar 14 01:20:43 wow Mar 14 01:20:47 xrandr rocks :)) Mar 14 01:25:56 xrandr -o inverted is nice for people using right thumb for navigation ;) Mar 14 01:27:04 and mplayer seems to respect orientation Mar 14 01:28:12 hm yeah i should integrate remapping of the dpad into the rotation applet Mar 14 01:28:45 jott: good idea Mar 14 01:30:46 720x576 -> 360x288 Mar 14 01:34:48 jott Mar 14 01:34:57 erm. nvm Mar 14 01:34:57 hm? Mar 14 01:35:09 too late :) Mar 14 01:35:14 :) Mar 14 01:35:22 i whink i need to flash updated kernel Mar 14 01:37:19 jott: how about using xrandr command and not librandr? Mar 14 01:37:40 hm.. yeah i can put it on the site.. Mar 14 01:37:52 * jott looks for the deb Mar 14 01:38:12 having xrandr as a command is handy too Mar 14 01:38:27 yeah.. i used it for debugging :) Mar 14 01:38:33 and that will free you from using libxrandr Mar 14 01:38:34 :) Mar 14 01:38:53 well not very convenient in a everyday mobile usage :) Mar 14 01:39:02 but for the scripts ;) Mar 14 01:39:06 or debugging ;) Mar 14 01:39:08 yeah Mar 14 01:39:17 hold on i'll repackage it :) Mar 14 01:39:23 no problem Mar 14 01:39:26 just a note :) Mar 14 01:39:47 doesn't xrandr need libxrandr anyway? :) Mar 14 01:40:20 yes Mar 14 01:40:23 :) Mar 14 01:40:34 ok, scratch that Mar 14 01:40:34 ;) Mar 14 01:41:00 but hmm Mar 14 01:41:11 i didn't have to install libxrandr before Mar 14 01:41:36 i presume it was installed Mar 14 01:41:49 (with a x package) Mar 14 01:43:08 lardman: do you have xrandr installed? Mar 14 01:44:07 jott: yeah, i guess it's preinstalled with os2008 at least Mar 14 01:44:25 (libxrandr) Mar 14 01:48:52 ok put an xrandr deb on http://sse2.net/rotate (and in the repo on the same location) Mar 14 01:52:06 hey Mar 14 01:52:30 anyone around? Mar 14 01:52:35 nope Mar 14 01:52:54 no we are a big eliza botnet testframework Mar 14 01:53:39 do you know if there is a way to keep the backlight on the keyboard illuminated ? Mar 14 01:53:48 yes Mar 14 01:54:01 mplayer uses it for example Mar 14 01:54:07 how does the backlight on the keyboard illuminated remind you of your mother? Mar 14 01:54:09 erm. sorry Mar 14 01:54:15 it was for the screen Mar 14 01:54:23 celesteh: haha :) Mar 14 01:54:24 but i guess there's a way for kb too Mar 14 01:56:03 the backlight on the keyboard only stays illuminated while you are using it so if your in a dark place and try to start retyping you hit wrong letters Mar 14 01:57:05 Jsn0327: i usually just press the lower right shift key - there are very few application where it causes harm :) Mar 14 01:57:47 internal speakers could use some subwoofer magic Mar 14 01:57:49 8) Mar 14 01:58:15 btw. using esd seriously lowers volume Mar 14 01:58:34 ie. killing esd and playing through alsa make a big difference Mar 14 01:58:38 Good idea Mar 14 02:00:29 Does anyone know how to change the panel icons? i installed a theme but none of the icons changed to match the screenshots of the theme Mar 14 02:01:23 have you tried restarting the device? Mar 14 02:02:34 not yet Mar 14 02:02:51 applying theme should do the trick? Mar 14 02:03:12 i'm gonna reboot Mar 14 02:05:33 jott: another thing to do after rotation: update wallpaper Mar 14 02:05:34 :) Mar 14 02:05:45 KotCzarny: use a tiling wallpaper :) Mar 14 02:06:01 doesn't matter, it still will need updating Mar 14 02:06:09 no Mar 14 02:06:50 well, i think i'll just stretch it to 800x800 Mar 14 02:06:50 http://sse2.net/rotate/shot00.png -> http://sse2.net/rotate/shot01.png Mar 14 02:06:50 (; Mar 14 02:08:50 my status bar is full :) Mar 14 02:08:55 (and complete ;) Mar 14 02:09:27 rotate, cpu/mem, wifi, batt, hour, minute, brightness/volume Mar 14 02:10:13 yeah brighntess/vol could be integrated in rotate or vice versa Mar 14 02:10:20 yeah Mar 14 02:10:46 and i don't like the idea that updating statusbar icon writes to disk Mar 14 02:10:58 ie. changing volume Mar 14 02:33:39 * Cymor is away: afk Mar 14 02:33:52 stupid script Mar 14 02:33:55 :/ Mar 14 02:37:16 jott: btw. tiled is also flawed Mar 14 02:37:27 if you look carefully you will see it Mar 14 02:37:57 try setting this one: http://www.root2art.co.uk/backgrounds/img/root2art_optical_maths_pattern.png Mar 14 02:43:29 heh sbemail... justification for new browser Mar 14 02:43:30 jott: is the rotation page yours? Mar 14 02:43:42 bmidgley: yes Mar 14 02:43:59 jott any chance you'd consider a more user-friendly dropdown, like http://www.xmission.com/~bmidgley/p1510/rotator.png Mar 14 02:44:19 erm Mar 14 02:44:20 no Mar 14 02:44:27 i opt for leaving as it is Mar 14 02:44:28 :> Mar 14 02:44:29 hmm maybe just add icons Mar 14 02:44:33 to the menu entries Mar 14 02:45:05 it will need nokia mini icon with an arron Mar 14 02:45:17 arrow Mar 14 02:45:33 or simple line representing status bar location :> Mar 14 02:45:56 does "left" always mean the same thing or does it mean once more left from where you are? Mar 14 02:46:06 always same Mar 14 02:46:24 it's relative to original state, not current Mar 14 02:46:38 yeah, the icons have to be relative to current state to make sense Mar 14 02:46:54 bmidgley: or have nokia picture Mar 14 02:46:59 let me mockup.. Mar 14 02:47:01 and the same as xrandr status is :) Mar 14 02:47:38 my scripts also use xrandr but there's a compute-the-change stage Mar 14 02:47:46 (for ubuntu desktop) Mar 14 02:48:14 well the actual applet does only use libxrandr Mar 14 02:48:30 not the xrandr executable :) Mar 14 02:48:49 KotCzarny: yeah i see what you mean with the background image Mar 14 02:48:59 jott: :) Mar 14 02:49:03 i wonder where the bug is Mar 14 02:49:18 it's because wallpaper is cut to current screen Mar 14 02:49:22 matchbox? Mar 14 02:49:27 xserver? Mar 14 02:49:30 hildon stuff? Mar 14 02:49:32 hmm :) Mar 14 02:49:40 don't know exactly Mar 14 02:49:48 but i suspect wallpaper applet Mar 14 02:50:12 i.e. tiling pre-computes a 800x480 image? Mar 14 02:50:24 or 480x800 Mar 14 02:50:34 yeah atleast fixed to active resolution Mar 14 02:50:40 depending what was current screen estate when setting background Mar 14 02:51:02 so tile woul have to fit integer* for x and y Mar 14 02:51:07 good look we use open source and could find this out easily... WAIT this is NOKIA and hence closed source :) Mar 14 02:51:09 <^JSN> how do you configure root so that you can a user can use sudo to run apps? Mar 14 02:51:29 luck Mar 14 02:51:33 <^JSN> Mostly everything that i try to run using sudo says "user is not allowed to execute .... as root Mar 14 02:52:32 ^JSN: if you have a desktop linux with man page do "man sudoers" Mar 14 02:53:52 <^JSN> man page? what is that Mar 14 02:53:58 hmm ok :) Mar 14 02:54:11 <^JSN> i do have a desktop linux Mar 14 02:54:17 <^JSN> i am currenly on kbuntu Mar 14 02:54:33 <^JSN> i'm guessing that man page is a search engine for linux commands Mar 14 02:54:40 man pages are manuals for applications and apis etc Mar 14 02:55:05 <^JSN> whats the package name so i can download it Mar 14 02:55:11 in command line you could just type "man ls" to get help about ls Mar 14 02:55:19 darn. battery empty Mar 14 02:55:27 gotta recharge before mockup Mar 14 02:55:47 <^JSN> cool it's built in Mar 14 02:55:47 ^JSN: there is "manpages" but many apps install own man pages Mar 14 02:57:12 ^JSN: in kde you can also use konqueror to browse the pages .. just type "man:yourkeyword" in the location bar :) Mar 14 02:58:04 <^JSN> cool Mar 14 02:58:39 <^JSN> do you know how to join a workgroup in ubuntu? The only option that i can find is domain Mar 14 02:58:43 jott: tile has to be 160x160 Mar 14 02:59:20 KotCzarny: or 480x480 ? ;) Mar 14 02:59:26 no Mar 14 02:59:26 or 80x80? :) Mar 14 02:59:33 80x80 will do Mar 14 02:59:38 but not 480x480 Mar 14 02:59:42 oh sure 480x480 not Mar 14 02:59:44 my bad Mar 14 02:59:53 it has to fit exact number of times both ways **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Mar 14 02:59:57 2008