**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Mar 17 02:59:56 2008 Mar 17 03:02:40 hey Mar 17 03:10:11 supp Mar 17 03:10:50 anyone want a gtk gnutella port Mar 17 03:14:07 probably Mar 17 03:15:05 im getting a tip for my laptop chord tommorow, so i should get a vm set up and maybe a deb on friday Mar 17 03:35:20 hm. bugs.maemo giving mysql access denied errors - a known issue? Mar 17 03:35:26 yup Mar 17 03:35:34 but you can mail administrators anyway Mar 17 03:35:46 maybe then they will notice Mar 17 04:13:59 has anyone seen their Airport Extreme die on a regular basis when an N8x0 goes online? Mar 17 04:19:45 hi Mar 17 04:21:53 christefano, not many here have a airport most likely Mar 17 04:22:17 it seems that way. I've asked a few times over the last week or so. Mar 17 04:22:22 you're the first to respond :) thanks Mar 17 04:22:34 this is the second time i've seen you ask :) Mar 17 04:22:57 my base station has been solid until the day I got my N810 Mar 17 04:23:32 i havent seen anyone else complain about their wifi routers with the n8x0 Mar 17 04:24:04 hrmm. maybe it's just a coincidence Mar 17 04:24:12 i seem to recall there being a few airport extreme related bugs in bugzilla... usually turns out to be buggy AE firmware Mar 17 04:24:29 :) Mar 17 04:24:30 it's running the latest firmware, but in any case it's annoying. Mar 17 04:24:47 latest can be buggy too Mar 17 04:24:48 :) Mar 17 04:24:57 yup Mar 17 05:06:37 so, anyone got a way to do h.323 on OS 2008? Mar 17 05:06:58 is that video or audio? >_> Mar 17 05:07:05 audio Mar 17 05:07:07 sip probably Mar 17 05:07:08 :) Mar 17 05:08:14 does mplayer play it? Mar 17 05:08:53 erm. i'm wrong Mar 17 05:08:56 but just a little Mar 17 05:08:57 :) Mar 17 05:08:59 lol? Mar 17 05:09:04 http://www.packetizer.com/ipmc/h323_vs_sip/ Mar 17 05:09:05 :) Mar 17 05:09:59 wow i changed some code and it compiles Mar 17 05:10:05 still kind of shocking Mar 17 05:10:13 pupnik: lol Mar 17 05:13:45 oh yea! i used g++ once instead of gcc and it compiled Mar 17 05:14:06 doc|home: http://www.h323plus.org/source/ maybe this one can help you Mar 17 05:17:02 KotCzarny: doesn't look like there's anything there for maemo :/ Mar 17 05:17:17 I'd happily use sip, but ekiga.net doesn't :/ Mar 17 05:17:20 doc: not true, many open source projects Mar 17 05:17:29 KotCzarny: right, but clients for maemo? Mar 17 05:17:30 grab the sdk and start compiling Mar 17 05:17:39 if pupnik can do it, so can you! Mar 17 05:17:41 :) Mar 17 05:17:53 pupnik: get to it! Mar 17 05:17:59 that's true Mar 17 05:19:00 doc: basically, if it's open source and is running under linux then with 90% it will compile and run on maemo Mar 17 05:19:25 yeah, but it's not a client Mar 17 05:19:28 er, maybe 60% Mar 17 05:19:32 or 80% Mar 17 05:20:04 doc, then add 'client' to the google search. eh. Mar 17 05:20:23 doc|home, ekiga.net doesn't what? Mar 17 05:21:12 doesn't work with the native sip client Mar 17 05:21:32 ... Mar 17 05:21:35 yes it does? Mar 17 05:21:37 I used it Mar 17 05:21:41 I thought the rtcomm beta supported ekiga Mar 17 05:21:42 with ekiga.net? Mar 17 05:21:46 yes Mar 17 05:21:47 I'm looking at it right now Mar 17 05:21:51 it's in the drop down list Mar 17 05:22:00 i made video calls using it >_> Mar 17 05:22:05 Navi: it's there, but it doesn't fully work. Mar 17 05:22:10 with n8x0 camera? Mar 17 05:22:12 O.o Mar 17 05:22:13 I can dial someone but no sound goes either way Mar 17 05:22:13 yes Mar 17 05:22:22 it works fine here Mar 17 05:22:33 what about quality? Mar 17 05:22:33 :> Mar 17 05:22:34 haha Mar 17 05:22:37 seems ok Mar 17 05:22:39 sorry, wrong chan Mar 17 05:22:42 hmmm Mar 17 05:22:45 we were doing n800 to n800 :P Mar 17 05:22:54 funky! Mar 17 05:22:56 I'm doing desktop ekiga to rtcomm n800 Mar 17 05:22:56 :P Mar 17 05:23:16 i could try calling you on ekiga from my n800 :P Mar 17 05:23:45 sure, give me a minute :) Mar 17 05:24:59 ad-hoc filesharing btwn tablets would be fun Mar 17 05:25:28 pupnik: thttpd ? Mar 17 05:25:29 ;) Mar 17 05:26:06 lol? Mar 17 05:26:19 doc|home: just give me a number when you're ready Mar 17 05:26:43 hmmm, so, I just tested it again and it's working better for some reason, I can hear my desktop mic on the n800 but not the n800 mic on the desktop :/ Mar 17 05:26:58 hehe Mar 17 05:27:00 :/ Mar 17 05:27:10 magic Mar 17 05:27:11 ;) Mar 17 05:27:24 it's a little quirky about where you speak at it Mar 17 05:27:28 try moving it around Mar 17 05:27:31 or speaking louder Mar 17 05:27:35 and see if it might be muted somewhere Mar 17 05:27:37 where's the mic? Mar 17 05:27:43 top Mar 17 05:27:48 middle Mar 17 05:27:57 yeah, I had the top almost in my mouth :) Mar 17 05:28:24 and the mic's not muted in the software anyway Mar 17 05:28:44 try out maemo recorder? Mar 17 05:28:53 rm_you: say something :) Mar 17 05:29:12 the sip client, eeet dooo nuthink Mar 17 05:29:14 video? Mar 17 05:29:53 nope Mar 17 05:29:56 no audio or video? Mar 17 05:29:59 I don't care about video to be honest Mar 17 05:30:02 pop your camera Mar 17 05:30:06 I did Mar 17 05:30:28 you should be able to see my screen Mar 17 05:30:31 * doc|home is camera shy Mar 17 05:30:35 lol Mar 17 05:30:39 nope Mar 17 05:30:46 you can't see my video either? Mar 17 05:30:48 nope Mar 17 05:31:11 can you hear anything? Mar 17 05:31:19 no Mar 17 05:31:20 >_> Mar 17 05:31:22 weird Mar 17 05:31:25 see? it fail! Mar 17 05:31:30 nope Mar 17 05:31:34 sec Mar 17 05:31:45 wait... i'm not actually on RTCOM beta yet >_> Mar 17 05:31:47 that's just as a plain sip client, not rtcomm Mar 17 05:31:58 i flashed recently Mar 17 05:31:58 but ekiga.net is sip according to Navi Mar 17 05:32:02 so it didnt get installed Mar 17 05:32:05 yeah, it is Mar 17 05:32:16 so it should work Mar 17 05:32:59 weird, I'm not even getting the ekiga echo test working now Mar 17 05:33:01 * doc|home stabs Mar 17 05:34:45 * Navi bleeds Mar 17 05:35:12 HA! Mar 17 05:35:15 my tablet rebooted Mar 17 05:35:19 but i *SAW* it finally Mar 17 05:35:26 saw what? Mar 17 05:35:31 so... how do i make it STOP @*#($(@ing doing that Mar 17 05:35:38 it just randomly reboots Mar 17 05:35:41 hmm Mar 17 05:35:43 like three times a day Mar 17 05:35:45 for the past month Mar 17 05:35:49 i have read about it lately Mar 17 05:35:54 annoying as hell, but it always hapens in my pocket Mar 17 05:35:58 so i don't see it Mar 17 05:36:01 but it was sitting on my desk Mar 17 05:36:06 and it made a noise! Mar 17 05:36:09 and rebooted Mar 17 05:36:31 I love it when it taps three times Mar 17 05:36:36 when I've only tapped it once Mar 17 05:36:56 i hate it when it opens microb when i click on 'control panel' Mar 17 05:37:06 (opens control panel too) Mar 17 05:42:44 Navi: i hate that too. Are you using the latest firmware? (the one that fixes the boot problem) Someone at itt said it also fixes the touchscreen issue Mar 17 05:43:18 Yeah, latest Mar 17 05:43:26 k, so it doesn't fix it Mar 17 05:43:29 havent seen the multi-crazytap issue with the newest on mine Mar 17 05:43:36 and i definately did have that issue before Mar 17 05:43:44 but mine does still randomly reboot Mar 17 05:43:48 in fact, it just did it again Mar 17 05:43:55 and i hadnt even touched it since it booted last time Mar 17 05:44:10 it's just rebootlooping after about 5 minutes of idling Mar 17 05:45:50 maybe i can wait for diablo, but i think it's a feature that keeps coming back every now and then Mar 17 05:46:14 and typing a longer message is a real pita Mar 17 05:46:55 fine for me Mar 17 05:47:03 I just make sure to press hard when I type Mar 17 05:56:17 hrm, so it makes a noise, the LED on the dpad blinks, the screen isn't responsive, and then it reboots after about 2 seconds Mar 17 05:56:33 i'm assuming it's watchdog doing that? Mar 17 06:02:41 hum. Mar 17 06:03:17 fuck. 6th reboot in 30 minutes. and i'm not even touching it. Mar 17 06:03:25 why does it keep doing this. Mar 17 06:03:29 rm_you: overheating? Mar 17 06:03:48 any abnormal activity? Mar 17 06:03:48 it's just been sitting on the desk.. Mar 17 06:03:53 and it doesnt feel hot Mar 17 06:03:57 not even warm to the touch Mar 17 06:04:06 room temperature >_> Mar 17 06:04:09 faulty ram? Mar 17 06:04:12 corrupted fs? Mar 17 06:04:37 flash os2007 ? Mar 17 06:05:10 i'll boot into debian Mar 17 06:05:14 i dont think it'll reboot Mar 17 06:05:27 if it does... Mar 17 06:05:28 :/ Mar 17 06:05:31 that would be sad Mar 17 06:05:33 yeah. Mar 17 06:05:37 i dont think its under warrantee Mar 17 06:05:38 out of warranty? Mar 17 06:05:43 no idea... Mar 17 06:05:43 that sucks :( Mar 17 06:05:56 i bought it used off ITT like... last July Mar 17 06:05:57 you can always sell it for parts Mar 17 06:06:58 stylus 10$ each, screen, hum, 100$ ? ;) battery 10-20$, case 10-30$ Mar 17 06:07:10 :> Mar 17 06:07:16 >_> Mar 17 06:09:37 * doc|home has dibs on the stylus! Mar 17 06:11:08 heh Mar 17 06:11:22 doc: you don't even know if he has the same model as you Mar 17 06:11:23 :) Mar 17 06:11:56 he said he had an n800 Mar 17 06:12:08 iirc Mar 17 06:14:48 yep Mar 17 06:14:55 well, debian doesnt appear to be rebooting... Mar 17 06:15:02 so either it broke and doesnt have watchdog... Mar 17 06:15:07 OR it works :P Mar 17 06:15:15 maybe your internal flash is corrupted? Mar 17 06:15:23 * doc|home is getting a stylus?! Mar 17 06:15:33 try installing os2008 to mmc? Mar 17 06:17:09 actually gonna try it without any SD cards Mar 17 06:17:18 then will try cloning os2008 to sd Mar 17 06:17:28 i want to be working on my applet >_> Mar 17 06:17:33 but i have to deal with this shit Mar 17 06:17:53 check if wd is running Mar 17 06:18:01 i never turned it off Mar 17 06:18:04 so i would guess it is Mar 17 06:18:10 can i turn it off? Mar 17 06:18:15 have you enabled it in debian? Mar 17 06:18:20 ohol Mar 17 06:18:22 in debian Mar 17 06:18:29 *oh Mar 17 06:18:30 it's not automatically enabled Mar 17 06:18:43 i thought we were talking about os2008 again Mar 17 06:18:47 nope Mar 17 06:19:38 how can i disable watchdog in os2008? Mar 17 06:19:42 do i need to flash? Mar 17 06:19:45 nope Mar 17 06:20:00 i think it's proc/sys settable Mar 17 06:24:37 offtopic but nice: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12726 Mar 17 06:24:38 :) Mar 17 06:26:00 that's on-topic :) Mar 17 06:26:22 how does it relate to rm_you's problem? Mar 17 06:27:30 * doc|home looks at the topic Mar 17 06:27:35 no mention of rm_you there :) Mar 17 06:28:10 and wtf is this "USB device not supported" that pops up periodically (and once it is up, continues to pop up until i reboot the device)?! Mar 17 06:28:12 >_< Mar 17 06:28:24 huh Mar 17 06:28:30 * doc|home has never had that Mar 17 06:28:44 rm_you: look, just be done with it and sell me your stylus... Mar 17 06:28:53 rm_you: maybe your usb has some pins shorted? Mar 17 06:28:59 hrm Mar 17 06:29:10 could that also cause my reboot issue? Mar 17 06:29:11 have you played with host mode etc lately? Mar 17 06:29:37 no? Mar 17 06:29:40 hum Mar 17 06:30:00 other than I found that switching the mode back and forth between OTG and host sometimes makes it stop popping up the message Mar 17 06:30:01 login via ssh and monitor kernel messages? Mar 17 06:30:20 but i didnt play with that until after it started popping up Mar 17 06:30:50 The watchdog can be disabled by way of the no-retu-wd flag accessible from the flasher tool. Mar 17 06:31:26 so... i do have to flash Mar 17 06:31:31 not flash Mar 17 06:31:35 just set a flag Mar 17 06:31:37 using a flasher Mar 17 06:31:38 :) Mar 17 06:31:44 http://pastebin.ca/945837 Mar 17 06:31:51 that is repeated infinitely in dmesg Mar 17 06:32:12 definitely some b0rkage there Mar 17 06:32:19 not good Mar 17 06:33:57 switching it to host mode makes the message stop Mar 17 06:34:14 and then it apparently SHUT OFF Mar 17 06:34:23 not rebooted... shut off entirely. Mar 17 06:34:25 o.O Mar 17 06:35:00 how do you get the kernel messages? they're not in /var or /var/loh Mar 17 06:35:02 *log Mar 17 06:35:19 cat /proc/kmsg Mar 17 06:35:24 ah, thanks Mar 17 06:36:50 <5>[ 54.968750] JFFS2 notice: (412) check_node_data: wrong data CRC in data node at 0x0c32fa90: read 0x884c7b7c, calculated 0x1e11e874. Mar 17 06:36:52 hrm Mar 17 06:37:11 usual fun after reboot Mar 17 06:37:13 i guess Mar 17 06:38:12 hmmm, when I try to run the sip client and call the ekiga test server the last message is EAC mode: play disabled, rec disabled and EAC mode: play enabled, rec enabled Mar 17 06:38:26 power saving, ignore. Mar 17 06:38:49 grrr Mar 17 06:39:47 how are these apps using more than 100% of my memory <_< Mar 17 06:40:07 rm_you: it's only virtual reservation Mar 17 06:40:12 not actual usage Mar 17 06:42:37 someone can give me a working qemu maemo sdk? Mar 17 06:42:44 erm. Mar 17 06:42:52 * KotCzarny has only 128kbit uplink Mar 17 06:42:53 :> Mar 17 06:43:18 and my sdk is ~5G Mar 17 06:43:19 ;) Mar 17 06:43:51 may be cut to 300-500mb but still overkill for my dsl :> Mar 17 06:44:09 echi: unpack vmware image? Mar 17 06:44:51 eichi: http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ and then everything works :) Mar 17 06:46:04 maybe the rebooting has something to do with LCARS? >_> *grasps at straws* Mar 17 06:46:26 it is using 18% cpu while charging because of the animated charging icon, i believe Mar 17 06:46:45 rm_you: flash a virgin os Mar 17 06:46:50 don't restore anything Mar 17 06:47:02 just test it for a few hours Mar 17 06:47:26 i'm so sick of flashing <_< Mar 17 06:47:35 why? it's easy Mar 17 06:47:37 and quick Mar 17 06:47:37 :) Mar 17 06:47:50 and then setting up my stuff afterwards takes like 4 hours Mar 17 06:48:06 and i've done it 4 times in the last month Mar 17 06:48:07 make a backup then Mar 17 06:48:08 :) Mar 17 06:48:14 2 of those were in one day >_> Mar 17 06:48:36 * KotCzarny still runs the same os as 2 weeks before Mar 17 06:48:36 :) Mar 17 06:48:38 yeah, and then i restore the backup and its broken again? >_> Mar 17 06:49:17 at least you will know it's something in your apps Mar 17 06:49:21 or settings Mar 17 06:57:41 heh solmumaha's JA2 sold one more N800 Mar 17 06:58:01 pupnik: what about right click? Mar 17 06:58:01 :> Mar 17 06:58:26 screenshots sell games, not usability :) Mar 17 06:58:38 and then you get the feedback.. Mar 17 07:00:10 KotCzarny: jagged has right click if that's what you mean Mar 17 07:00:32 solmumaha: how do you simulate it on n800? Mar 17 07:00:42 click with menu button down Mar 17 07:00:50 yeah........ Mar 17 07:00:57 solmumaha: have you ever played ja2? Mar 17 07:00:58 :> Mar 17 07:01:28 in fight mode right click is used ~4times per second Mar 17 07:02:06 eh? Mar 17 07:02:10 hehe Mar 17 07:02:21 erm Mar 17 07:02:22 sorry Mar 17 07:02:25 misread you Mar 17 07:02:26 :) Mar 17 07:02:53 i forgive you Mar 17 07:02:59 :) Mar 17 07:03:57 http://forum2.mobile-review.com/showpost.php?p=666297&postcount=88 A very good little photo series to show eedjots who compare N810 to the EEE or a laptop or a phone Mar 17 07:04:55 yeah, everything has it's uses Mar 17 07:04:59 even windows Mar 17 07:05:00 ;) Mar 17 07:05:15 lird Mar 17 07:05:27 lies! Mar 17 07:07:18 @pupnik, I know it's old but does your super mario war port run on os2008? Mar 17 07:08:55 probably Mar 17 07:09:32 Ok, thanks, I'll try it out. Your site doesn't mention any specific OS, Mar 17 07:10:25 i'm slowly working through the library with updates Mar 17 07:10:48 Oh right. Great amount of games though, thanks :) Mar 17 07:15:38 mm a fullsize wacom pen makes a sweet stylus Mar 17 07:15:46 pupnik: hmh, that url is missing (photo) comparison with eepc. Though, it wouldn't be that much different from comparing to the macbook... Mar 17 07:16:01 isn't wacom pen magnetic? Mar 17 07:16:41 zuh: still, point is made, you probably can't put eepc in a pocket Mar 17 07:16:42 :) Mar 17 07:16:42 dunno - nice plastic tip Mar 17 07:17:25 KotCzarny: Actually I did ;) but I'll admit that it was a big pocket and not that practical... Mar 17 07:17:31 ;) Mar 17 07:17:44 Kept me warm in the winter chill tho! :P Mar 17 07:17:59 zuh, i would prefer better jacket Mar 17 07:18:07 no risk of running out of batteries ;) Mar 17 07:18:11 Those things run quite hot Mar 17 07:19:59 Yeah well, my N800 warned me periodically (2-5mins apart) that "oh no, battery is low!" and indeed, after another hour or so of watching videos and listening to music it did die. Mar 17 07:20:24 I wish the battery state would be a bit more useful in that thing Mar 17 07:20:36 zuh: i'm working on it Mar 17 07:20:37 ;) Mar 17 07:21:17 but getting correct estimation is quite hard with accus Mar 17 07:21:47 Lol, the recharge battery thing pisses me off. At least give me a proper 10 second warning like my PPC did instead of 3 random battery low's before :( Mar 17 07:22:31 qwerty: you should reconnect charger after first 'battery low' Mar 17 07:22:38 i'd love a cheap external charger Mar 17 07:22:49 keep 2 spare batteries full for on-the-go Mar 17 07:22:51 because applying load will drain it very quickly Mar 17 07:23:06 pupnik: make one Mar 17 07:23:07 :) Mar 17 07:23:08 KotCzarny: True. But I'm lazy :(, sniff sniff Mar 17 07:34:25 AHH http://laist.com/attachments/la_jeremy/hillaryobama.jpg Mar 17 07:34:48 looks better than before Mar 17 07:34:48 :) Mar 17 07:34:52 lol Mar 17 07:35:06 weird Mar 17 07:35:16 lol Mar 17 07:40:28 * pupnik ~wibbles~ Mar 17 07:41:42 * KotCzarny codes Mar 17 08:14:18 Good afternoon everyone! I want to ask you a question. How can i check the gcc version used to build Nokia-N800- 2.6.21-omap1. Thanks Mar 17 08:15:03 it's probably 3.4.4 Mar 17 08:17:11 My program uses a kernel module, so I want to use scratchbox to build the kernel module and also the program itself. Where do I find some instruction on how to the above stuff? Thanks Mar 17 08:17:34 batiestuta: you can safely use gcc that comes with sdk Mar 17 08:19:07 batiestuta, maemo.org -> Documentation? Mar 17 08:20:06 batiestuta, especially http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/kernel_guide_for_maemo.html#compilingmodules Mar 17 08:41:11 Morning, all Mar 17 08:45:24 morning Mar 17 09:00:56 YEAH! Mar 17 09:00:59 :D Mar 17 09:01:28 who is from maemo website staff here? Mar 17 09:05:10 ????? Mar 17 09:05:53 ciao Mar 17 09:05:55 ragazzi? Mar 17 09:06:33 i guess no one is Mar 17 09:06:59 tnx :D Mar 17 09:07:14 i can't download from maemo yet Mar 17 09:07:19 aggg Mar 17 09:07:22 i send them 3 emails Mar 17 09:07:51 *t Mar 17 09:07:59 sen*t Mar 17 09:08:04 lol :p Mar 17 09:08:22 AStorm where are u from>? Mar 17 09:08:32 i think i am only from ASIA here! Mar 17 09:08:41 who's from asia too? Mar 17 09:08:42 uhm, Poland? Mar 17 09:14:04 ummm how Media_Converter_Windows_1.43 can works? Mar 17 09:14:10 it is a java/?/?/ Mar 17 09:14:26 i didn't work on my win Mar 17 09:14:28 ????? Mar 17 09:15:54 ... Mar 17 09:15:59 win? Mar 17 09:16:07 Sun Java 1.4 or later needed. Mar 17 09:16:27 http://maemo.org/community/wiki/VideoEncoding/ Mar 17 09:16:41 tnx Mar 17 09:16:48 yes i have xp sp2 Mar 17 09:17:36 use any program, reduce video resolution to <= 400 wide and <=240 high Mar 17 09:17:42 Sargun lol IT didn't work on my win Mar 17 09:17:44 and it will probably play well Mar 17 09:17:45 :D Mar 17 09:18:02 ... with mplayer Mar 17 09:18:02 use mencoder Mar 17 09:18:21 i have Internet Tablet Video Converter and it is very good for me Mar 17 09:18:42 the problem is for h264 it can't read to convert Mar 17 09:19:02 ahh i have no h264 Mar 17 09:19:35 h264 = x264 = *.mkv = bluray convert Mar 17 09:20:31 pupnik are u on playing the games? Mar 17 09:21:40 i play them a little bit Mar 17 09:22:15 with ur tablet? Mar 17 09:23:27 yes Mar 17 09:24:42 i need ur teach can u help me? Mar 17 09:25:36 a little, yes Mar 17 09:25:45 well Mar 17 09:26:46 i installed deb file of shadow walker into my internal n800 mmmc Mar 17 09:27:24 i can seec the icon but it doesn't work Mar 17 09:27:33 http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17420 Mar 17 09:27:57 i don't understand this: /media/mmc[1-2]/share/sw and put sw.grp, sw.rts Mar 17 09:29:35 ok well either use mmc1, or use mmc2 Mar 17 09:29:50 mmc1 is the internal one Mar 17 09:29:51 the game will work if you use mmc1 Mar 17 09:29:53 the game will work if you use mmc2 Mar 17 09:30:19 it is a very smart game Mar 17 09:31:36 ummm so it is not important to add sw.grp, sw.rts in mmc1 or mmc2? Mar 17 09:32:31 sw.deb is installed on my internal mmmc (256) n800 and icon is available on n800 os 2008 Mar 17 09:33:13 but where are sw.grp, sw.rts and where can i add them? to my other mmmc sd ? Mar 17 09:37:03 btw, how do i install apps on a disk other than internal 256 mb? Mar 17 09:38:29 you configure the device to boot from mmc Mar 17 09:47:22 morning all Mar 17 09:48:13 pupnik, i don't know if i want that Mar 17 09:48:25 it's N810 though Mar 17 09:49:28 astorm: yes, you want Mar 17 09:49:29 :> Mar 17 09:49:40 hmm Mar 17 09:49:45 any howto? Mar 17 09:49:51 or you can symlink something static to mmc Mar 17 09:50:00 like /usr/local/share or /usr/share Mar 17 09:50:03 as a stopgap Mar 17 09:50:17 bonus points if that includes info on building debs for maemo Mar 17 09:50:29 want to build recent gcc for it Mar 17 09:50:46 astorm: booting from mmc will save internal flash Mar 17 09:50:54 (yeah, need a crosscompiler, not a problem) Mar 17 09:50:58 which is not replaceable Mar 17 09:51:26 KotCzarny, but i have 2 internal flashes ;p Mar 17 09:51:43 nope. Mar 17 09:51:44 :) Mar 17 09:51:47 256 and 2048 Mar 17 09:52:04 yeah, N819 Mar 17 09:52:15 you have 1 internal flash and 1 internal mmc slot (and 1 external mmc slot in n800) Mar 17 09:52:16 heh, n810 ofc Mar 17 09:52:28 exactlz Mar 17 09:52:43 but the internal mmc slot is a flash chip Mar 17 09:52:52 on n810 Mar 17 09:53:08 heh. Mar 17 09:53:08 i can play duke nowb :D Mar 17 09:53:35 i'm talking about replaceable flash (mmc) and not replaceable (internal flash) Mar 17 09:55:01 well, i want to keep media on replaceable one Mar 17 09:55:35 it's a pity they axed the second mmc slot Mar 17 09:56:33 nice Italodance :) Mar 17 09:57:15 ok, have to prepare my gentoo for crossing Mar 17 11:47:40 heyas Mar 17 12:03:13 :D Mar 17 12:41:47 yippie ya yo! Mar 17 12:44:04 does anyone have experience with using maemo-mapper or another gps program and freemap.co.il (which is based on RoadMap) ? Mar 17 12:54:46 hey people, i have not receive any critics from you about my latest n800/n810 wallpapers.... are they soooo ugly??? Mar 17 12:55:15 where are they? :) Mar 17 12:57:10 how do i get the source code of kagu from garage.maemo.org? Mar 17 13:00:50 mbuf http://kagu.garage.maemo.org/ -> "developers" Mar 17 13:03:35 jku, ohh! Thanks! didn't see the project page before Mar 17 13:06:07 kagumedia.com :) Mar 17 13:06:17 (oh, hi) Mar 17 13:26:42 wom: http://www.mojocafe.de/blog Mar 17 13:33:59 Morning. Mar 17 13:35:45 100 downloads and no comments. Weird that nobody out of those 100 tried ot use :) Mar 17 13:37:22 BTobotras, of what? Mar 17 13:38:32 jku: of small utility I've hacked out Mar 17 13:39:04 that's something i also realized :) Mar 17 13:40:09 https://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/notap/ Mar 17 13:40:23 But the question is purely theoretical Mar 17 13:51:28 is maemo.org down? Mar 17 13:52:11 nm, BTobotras hhtps link just didnt work Mar 17 13:55:42 Hrm... Any chance that the SDK's memory requirement (256MB) is inflated... Mar 17 14:22:25 magicrobotmonkey: s/https/http/ Mar 17 15:01:58 hi Mar 17 15:13:54 ag Mar 17 15:13:59 i am crying :'''( Mar 17 15:15:14 maemo doesn't help me why? Mar 17 15:15:20 i am alone :''( Mar 17 15:16:06 why for what? Mar 17 15:16:32 i bought only an nokia n800 Mar 17 15:16:33 :'( Mar 17 15:20:36 Question: does anyone of you know of a videocapture tool for my n800? I am not asking for screencapture, i want to records some video.... Mar 17 15:20:46 videocapture Mar 17 15:20:56 Is the name of the prog :P Mar 17 15:21:13 Oh wait, do you mean with inbuilt camera? Mar 17 15:22:08 well... i want to record the "things "that i do on my maemo so that i can upload it to youtube. In detail: i want to make a "what is mojocafe.de" tutorial video. Mar 17 15:22:21 If you mean record video with built in camera, then videocapture would work. If you mean the actual screen, then I dont think there is. Unless you run VNC and record it on your comp Mar 17 15:22:39 yeah.... VNC could be a solution..... Mar 17 15:22:48 BTW: Great work with mojocafe :) Mar 17 15:22:59 thanks a lot :) ... have you checked the weather mojo? Mar 17 15:23:09 :'''( Mar 17 15:23:20 :) I've looked at it but I use OMWeather so I'm in 2 minds (sorry) Mar 17 15:23:22 Italo... scuzi... why are you crying? Mar 17 15:23:37 cyberholic read up :( Mar 17 15:23:43 But the webcams and the clocks are great :), thanks :) Mar 17 15:24:04 qwerty: *gg* ... OMWeather is niiiiiiice. .... yeah, one of my mojos is the NewYork Webcam..... never been there but i love it :) Mar 17 15:24:27 italo: what do you mean? maemo does not help you? Mar 17 15:24:29 Same here :). But in London, lol very busy :D Mar 17 15:24:32 is there someone from maemo website? Mar 17 15:24:37 well Mar 17 15:24:56 qwerty: you want me to add a london webcam? Mar 17 15:24:59 saludos... alguien que hable español para un par de preguntas? Mar 17 15:25:00 i am can see only this message on maemo downloads Mar 17 15:25:01 Authorization Required Mar 17 15:25:01 This server could not verify that you are authorized to access the document Mar 17 15:25:01 requested. Either you supplied the wrong credentials (e.g., bad password), or Mar 17 15:25:01 your browser doesn't understand how to supply the credentials required. Mar 17 15:25:01 Apache/1.3.33 Server at ossostage.cidercone.com Port 80 Mar 17 15:25:12 borolas: solo un pouco... soy portugues. Mar 17 15:25:15 about 4 days after my buy Mar 17 15:25:17 :( Mar 17 15:25:18 @cyberholic , Ok, then please :). Thanks :) Mar 17 15:25:24 i need maemo for my n800 Mar 17 15:25:28 please help and fix it Mar 17 15:25:39 Italodance: have you clicked on the DOWNLOADS and then choosen a software? Mar 17 15:25:48 yes Mar 17 15:25:58 noone can work Mar 17 15:26:04 Italodance: you could ask on the list or file a bug with specifics Mar 17 15:26:05 what do you mean with "i need maemo" on my n800... ? Mar 17 15:26:08 @cyberholic If you use VNC, I would recommend penguinbait's version. It runs RDP server too. If you don't need RDP, Mike Saunby's version works great too Mar 17 15:26:34 Italo: can you visit this site with your device and download Vagalume? http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/vagalume/ Mar 17 15:26:35 @Italodance, give me a link that gives you the authrisation message Mar 17 15:26:35 cyberholic i can't download nothing apps games...for my n800 Mar 17 15:26:37 i need something like "smart list to go" for n800 Mar 17 15:26:49 example i want canola but can't Mar 17 15:26:49 qwerty: what exactly is RDP? Mar 17 15:27:02 Remote Desktop. Do you use Linux or Windows? Mar 17 15:27:23 friends look here : https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2237#c4 my problem is on Comment #2 Mar 17 15:27:43 Its some Microsoft Thing that lets you connect to another windows computer as a different user Mar 17 15:27:45 qwerty: win xp Mar 17 15:27:47 i sent 3 emails to maemo yesterday but doidn't reply from them yet :( Mar 17 15:28:10 italo: do not spam them.... that wont make it faster. Mar 17 15:28:21 qwerty12 i use IE and Firefox on my pc and use my n800 opera too Mar 17 15:28:43 cyberholic sorry i am sad..can u feel me? Mar 17 15:28:47 Ok, With VNC, you see what is exactly on the screen, who is logged in at the time. With Remote Desktop, you can log into another computer remotely as another user and not see what another logged in person is doing Mar 17 15:28:47 qwerty: ah ok, thanks. but i think that i do not need that. I used VNC years ago and think that that will make it.... will install it right now on my device :) Mar 17 15:28:54 Cool :) Mar 17 15:29:28 Italo: well.... to tell you the truth i can NOT feel you and that feels great because if i would feel you, my mum would delete my name for her testament. Mar 17 15:29:37 Lol Mar 17 15:29:41 *my mum is very catholic* Mar 17 15:30:09 qwerty12 example http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/4.0/free/r/rdesktop/rdesktop_0.4_armel.deb Mar 17 15:30:29 Yep, it works in London :( Mar 17 15:30:39 yes but here no :( Mar 17 15:30:39 Have you tried another computer that is on another ISP? Mar 17 15:30:42 Boroloas: is that some kind of To Do List? .... eso es un pouco como uma lista de cosas para hazer? Mar 17 15:30:42 Italodance: what you need is a proxy. Mar 17 15:30:51 (I guess) Mar 17 15:31:04 Italo: have you tried to turn you computer on and off again? Mar 17 15:31:04 Veggen no i don't use any proxy Mar 17 15:31:09 *gg* Mar 17 15:31:47 cyberholic yes lol i tried to download from there with my n800 too and saw this message again Mar 17 15:31:56 very strange.... Mar 17 15:32:09 this is on my both device pc and n800 Mar 17 15:32:19 yes i am crying.... Mar 17 15:32:21 qwerty: do you know if the vnc viewer also works on chinook aka os2008 ? Mar 17 15:32:36 It works but no keyboard :( Mar 17 15:32:42 Italo: are you from rome? Mar 17 15:32:50 So if you have N800 like me, very annoying Mar 17 15:32:58 hope maemo reply me as soon as possible and fix it for me Mar 17 15:32:59 * sp3000 doesn't find it strange in light of comment 4 and traceroute, fwiw Mar 17 15:32:59 But you can see and control with mouse another computer Mar 17 15:33:11 cyberholic no i am from Iran (Persia) Mar 17 15:33:42 Don't you have somewhere a WLAN coffee shop or something like that where you could try it from there? Mar 17 15:34:14 cyberholic i told u i use my n800 wlan on other places and just saw it again Mar 17 15:34:27 ah ok. strange. Mar 17 15:34:37 Italodance: Try this link : http://www.the-cloak.com/Cloaked/+cfg=15/http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/4.0/free/r/rdesktop/rdesktop_0.4_armel.deb Mar 17 15:34:43 i know the problem is from maemo website and they must help me cos i need my n800 Mar 17 15:35:23 umm Mar 17 15:36:24 ah, ok. i can not download VNC Viewer for os2008... incompatible application package..... I AM CRYING TOO NOW *loool* Mar 17 15:37:07 Where are you getting it from? I had it once upon a flash on N800 OS2008 Mar 17 15:37:48 i tried it from the website but now i#ll try it from the application manager Mar 17 15:38:20 cyberholic, es para manejar base de datos Mar 17 15:38:23 strange... does not find it. Mar 17 15:38:45 borolas: entiendes un pouco de mysql? ... do you understand a bit of MySql? Mar 17 15:38:51 I'll take a look, I know fo sure, I had a chinook version :P Mar 17 15:39:16 cyberholic, yes... but i'm searching something with gui Mar 17 15:39:42 ah ok.... Mar 17 15:40:03 qwerty12 works Mar 17 15:40:17 All you need is a proxy :) Mar 17 15:40:24 i'm searching a database gui Mar 17 15:40:36 The example, I used (the-cloak) is really crap. Limits etc Mar 17 15:40:37 ummm but please look here https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2237#c4 Mar 17 15:40:45 maemo.org gives authorization request error on "yu" domain ?????? Mar 17 15:40:59 i think maemo should open it for my country??? Mar 17 15:41:39 how can i found out quickly whether i have bora or chinook? or anything else? Mar 17 15:42:36 I dont understand, sorry. Bora=2007 Mar 17 15:42:39 *find out* i mean Mar 17 15:43:16 qwerty: ah, sorry my failure. i just checked that VNC does not exist for chinook....http://vncviewer.garage.maemo.org/ Mar 17 15:43:21 @cyberholic, try https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/2775/vncviewer_0.6.1-chinook1_armel.deb Mar 17 15:43:30 *hugs* Mar 17 15:43:49 That was the deb I used so I'm sure it works Mar 17 15:43:51 :) Mar 17 15:44:17 If it doesn't, install in red-pill or with dpkg Mar 17 15:44:20 but is that not only the client to view a different computer... i want to view the n800 screen on my pc.... Mar 17 15:44:33 Yes it is Mar 17 15:44:37 Wait a sec :) Mar 17 15:45:01 Does having a vnc password on the connection matter? Mar 17 15:45:21 There are 2 releases of vnc server for chinook Mar 17 15:45:32 oh... my girlfriend is calling... be back in a few minutes..... *sounds like trouble* Mar 17 15:45:38 gl :D Mar 17 15:46:01 qwerty12 tell me where is red-pill? Mar 17 15:46:03 1 is just VNC without password support the other one is VNC with password support but also comes with RDP support. Mar 17 15:46:12 if i am not back in 20 minutes let me tell you: it was nice with you! i love you! good by cruel world! Mar 17 15:46:31 Lol, I want more mojo's :P. Dont go yet :P :) Mar 17 15:46:51 @Italodance: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationManagerRedPillMode/ Mar 17 15:46:56 qwerty12 please can u tell me about red-pill or with dpkg? Mar 17 15:47:04 tnx Mar 17 15:47:13 and dpkg? Mar 17 15:47:38 dpkg, search it up on internet tablet talk. if you cannot login as root, its a bit long to set up Mar 17 15:48:08 i am as Italodance there :D Mar 17 15:48:22 Cool :) Mar 17 15:48:31 I'm qwerty12 there too :D Mar 17 15:48:58 :D i know u heheh Mar 17 15:49:30 * qwerty12 sets away. I have to compile experimental kernel for my N800 Mar 17 15:52:32 @cyberholic, if you make it back :P, "1 is just VNC without password support the other one is VNC with password support but also comes with RDP support.", tell me which one you want :D Mar 17 16:00:02 I used an SD card reader on my XP machine to put some files on my SD card and now my N800 says it's corrupted. I put it back in the card reader on my PC and it's still readable there. Any ideas how I can fix it? Mar 17 16:00:22 Have you tried "scanning the disk"? Mar 17 16:00:26 pope523: format it in N800? Mar 17 16:00:38 I'm in Linux right now so I cant really help. Mar 17 16:00:46 I only know a little about Linux, but in terminal it says it can't find fsck Mar 17 16:00:56 On the N800 itself? Mar 17 16:01:04 qwerty12: Yes Mar 17 16:01:14 <||cw> install ext2tools Mar 17 16:01:19 <||cw> or utils or something Mar 17 16:01:21 wom: I'd like to avoid formatting if possible Mar 17 16:01:36 I think put it back in card reader and tell windows to scan it Mar 17 16:01:42 <||cw> ph, vfat as well Mar 17 16:01:59 fscking it on the N800 itself is a bit weird, let me look it up Mar 17 16:04:03 @pope523 Put the card back in the card reader please and tell me what letter windows gives the card please? Mar 17 16:05:53 F: Mar 17 16:06:40 Go to start> run and type "cmd" and run it. In the dos window type in chkdsk F: /f Mar 17 16:07:56 "Windows has checked the file system and found no problems." Mar 17 16:08:05 what is mnotify_2.0.3_armel? Mar 17 16:08:14 chkdsk F: /r ? Mar 17 16:08:39 Do you have a swap file on the memory card by any chance? Mar 17 16:09:01 qwerty12: Not that I know of Mar 17 16:09:39 I'm not really sure then. Try chkdsk F: /r Mar 17 16:09:49 qwerty12: It's running still Mar 17 16:09:55 Oh, sorry Mar 17 16:10:05 qwerty12: Same, no problems found Mar 17 16:10:58 That's odd. My N800 would say the memory card was corrupt if I had made a dodgy .swap on the Memory card when the MMC wasnt corrupt itself Mar 17 16:11:12 ok... i am back aka survied it :) Mar 17 16:12:11 :D Mar 17 16:12:26 "@cyberholic, if you make it back :P, "1 is just VNC without password support the other one is VNC with password support but also comes with RDP support.", tell me which one you want :D" Mar 17 16:13:20 nah, i dont need passwordzzzzz for this....i hope :) ..... must i then install the "standard" VNC for windows on my xp ? Mar 17 16:13:42 This server will work fine : http://mike.saunby.googlepages.com/x11vncfornokia7702 Mar 17 16:13:46 You can use any vnc client Mar 17 16:14:09 I like tightvnc, you can get it in just the viewer w/out installing anything Mar 17 16:14:20 sounds great! Mar 17 16:16:30 qwerty12: Oh, it looks like it's saying both my SD cards are corrupt, so it's a system thing and not a card thing Mar 17 16:17:37 and reformatting in the n800 doesn't seem to do anything Mar 17 16:17:59 And you are sure you have no swap file? Mar 17 16:18:11 Check in memory applet in control panel on device Mar 17 16:18:59 On the Virtual tab it says there is no Internal memory card Mar 17 16:19:04 Here's something else... Mar 17 16:19:05 qwerty: I found it useful to have dosfstools or similar cross-compiled on it. Mar 17 16:19:20 I backed up the data from teh crad in my external slot, put it back in the n800 and reformatted it Mar 17 16:19:25 It still says it's corrupt Mar 17 16:19:25 and umount, fsck.vfat and mount again, manually. Mar 17 16:19:35 and the files are still there when I put it back in my XP machine Mar 17 16:20:03 @Veggen dosfstools - thats a good idea, thanks :) Mar 17 16:21:10 What happens if you format the card but do not put the data back? Mar 17 16:21:47 qwerty12: I didn't put the data back, it was still there Mar 17 16:22:18 Even after a format? Mar 17 16:22:22 Veggen: the cards don't seem to be mounted in the first place, fsck.vfat doesn't indicate any errors Mar 17 16:22:25 qwerty12: Yes Mar 17 16:22:35 qwerty12: After formatting in the n800 Mar 17 16:23:01 What about formatting it with computer? Mar 17 16:24:58 pope523: I think it actually needs a -f argument or such to fsck.vfat Mar 17 16:25:32 btw, untested but just-compiled dosfstools (should work) here: http://vegard.engen.priv.no/dosfstools_2.11-2.1_armel.deb Mar 17 16:26:22 Gronmayer lists dosfstools in Maemo Chinook & its already installed on my device according to apt-get ? :\ Mar 17 16:26:40 oh, wait. it's perhaps already installed. Mar 17 16:27:08 qwerty: hmm, it wasn't in the OS2007, I think ;) Mar 17 16:28:08 :) . I've only ever used OS2008 on my N800. When I got my N800, OS2008 was already out :D Mar 17 16:28:21 fsck.vfat exists on OS2008 Mar 17 16:28:25 at least on my N800 Mar 17 16:30:34 qwerty12: fsck.vfat is on here, but didn't give me any errors. However, I think that it's reading the cards again but I'm not sure what did it. "Cleared while testing" and all that. Mar 17 16:31:04 Yeah I restarted it again (which I had done before since this all started) and now it's mounting and reading files on both cards. Mar 17 16:31:08 Thanks for the help Mar 17 16:31:33 :) Mar 17 16:31:43 Linux drives me nuts :) Mar 17 16:31:48 But at least it gives me something to do Mar 17 16:32:06 :) Mar 17 16:32:16 Lol, same here. But I'm getting very used to Linux. I've spent ages "pimpin" up my Ubuntu and my scratchbox :D Mar 17 16:32:30 I haven't been in Windows for days :) Mar 17 16:33:02 <||cw> it'll be years before you know it Mar 17 16:33:45 I pressed Quit 8-) Mar 17 16:34:14 *mpfh* vnc can not establish a connection to my server..... :( Mar 17 16:34:38 what kind of server? Mar 17 16:35:00 Thats odd, it worked for me. Is your router forwarding ports? Mar 17 16:35:03 I think Linux is actually easier to learn than windows. Mar 17 16:35:41 It's just that people that tries the transition didn't have that high expectations of themselves when they started with Windows. Mar 17 16:35:48 nah.... i just checked that..... ill have to forward them but i am afraid of doing so... what if the web connection cancels i will never ever be able to talk to you again *sad* Mar 17 16:35:59 Veggen: Well, since I've been using Windows since 1991 and only used Linux off and on for the last 6 or 7 years, it's hard for me to say Mar 17 16:36:07 they expect to be able to be at the same level in Linux in just days when doing the transition to Linux. Mar 17 16:36:12 @cyberholic No harm in you forwarding ports :D Mar 17 16:36:19 I do it on my DG834GT all the time Mar 17 16:36:22 pope523: exactly. Mar 17 16:36:24 @Veggen, I agree :) Mar 17 16:36:25 there are very few unbiased people as most people have been using windows for years Mar 17 16:36:42 and got used to its very very strange patterns Mar 17 16:37:15 jott: mm, true. I'm sort of opposite, though, I've never really learnt Windows thourougly, always had Unix or Linux as my primary desktop-platform. Mar 17 16:37:23 jott: I find Windows difficult to use. Mar 17 16:37:59 Veggen: i also find windows difficult to use in comparision to *nix based systems Mar 17 16:38:12 I'm pretty good with both. But all the stuff I do in Windows, I realise I can do in Linux too. Except for playing games (I have ati so fglrx for me) Mar 17 16:38:26 but we are in a minority :) Mar 17 16:38:27 Linux has given me major problems every time I tried to use it as my primary OS. I installed Gentoo on my laptop. ACPI didn't work and unbeknownst to me wasn't swicthing on my case fan so I burned up a HD, and there wasn't anywhere to program my wireless LAN's WEP key. I had to reeenter the WEP key manually every time I rebooted Mar 17 16:38:45 The solution that was suggested to me was that I should write a script to run on startup to set my WEP key Mar 17 16:39:31 pope523: well gentoo is not really a distribution aimed at enduser usability more at professional users Mar 17 16:39:32 My Ubuntu was like that with ndiswrapper but when I edited a forgotten conf file to modprobe ndiswrapper, all I have to do is ifdown wlan0 & bring it up again Mar 17 16:39:43 it connects faster then my windows too. Mar 17 16:39:45 pope523: oh, on beginner-polish, Windows has always been rather slick. It's the moment that something doesn't work like they thought it should that you realize that Windows is difficult. Mar 17 16:39:54 and i got a wlan card that is not supported by windows... Mar 17 16:40:12 It just seems like Linux is great for hobbyists and people who want to screw with their computer to get things to work right, but it never works right for me out-of-the-box. Mar 17 16:40:37 Veggen: Windows has never seems difficult to me :) Mar 17 16:40:42 so when you have hardware that is supported (i.e. vendors that open specs) everything is usually much easier than under windows Mar 17 16:41:15 a wlan card not supported by Windows?? Mar 17 16:41:19 You're joking Mar 17 16:41:24 xp that is Mar 17 16:41:27 That's what I thought :D Mar 17 16:41:30 it was supported by 98 Mar 17 16:41:34 Eek Mar 17 16:41:40 That's the weirdest thing I've ever heard Mar 17 16:41:43 Does the win2k (if any) work? Mar 17 16:41:49 ^driver Mar 17 16:41:51 na nt Mar 17 16:41:56 same with my old-ish scanner Mar 17 16:42:08 Scanners not having new drivers, I believe Mar 17 16:42:10 works fine under linux though Mar 17 16:42:11 no nt.. as the riva128 only works in vesa mode under nt Mar 17 16:42:28 ooh, riva128, those where the times Mar 17 16:42:33 hehe Mar 17 16:42:34 * aquatix had one too Mar 17 16:43:06 but still people crying that their hw is not running under linux.. they just bought the wrong hw Mar 17 16:43:11 or support the wrong vendor Mar 17 16:43:12 indeed Mar 17 16:43:15 heh Mar 17 16:43:57 its just pathetic - when a hw is not supported under linux its linux fault, if the hw is not supported under windows its the vendors fault Mar 17 16:44:19 its almost *always* the vendors fault Mar 17 16:44:35 (open specs, release own driver, etc etc) Mar 17 16:44:41 If hardware isn't supported under Windows (XP at least), it's because it should be in a museum :) Mar 17 16:45:16 I really hate TI (not rapper :P), they make chipsets on N800 closed and my wifi card is closed to (has ti chipset) :( Mar 17 16:45:25 *too Mar 17 16:46:32 Hi all - thanks for all your work, Maemo developers. Mar 17 16:46:43 hi desertc :) Mar 17 16:47:09 Hi :) Mar 17 16:47:13 I have a question. The only thing I cannot really do with my N800 right now (that is really essential to me) is give presentations. Mar 17 16:47:32 wait.... you mean your n800 can cook and wash your laundry? Mar 17 16:47:48 Does anyone have suggestions on how I might be able to run a 'Powerpoint' style presentation on a N800? Mar 17 16:47:48 The screen is awfully small for giving presentations. Mar 17 16:48:11 pope523: why should one buy a new scanner if the old one works etc? but as stated its the vendors fault if drivers are missing for any os (be it win, osx, bsd, linux etc) so complain about the hardware not the os Mar 17 16:48:16 :) yes, but with a laptop you can dock it to a projector so everyone can see the screen Mar 17 16:48:22 desertc: try PDF.... the new PDF version also allows animation and "next chart" and "prev chart" and even autoslide Mar 17 16:48:47 cyberholic: But how do you get the video out of the device? Mar 17 16:49:14 that is exactly what i am trying right now and qwerty is helping me very much... the solution is called VNC Mar 17 16:49:21 garag.maemo.org and enter VNC Mar 17 16:49:28 I am familiar with VNC Mar 17 16:49:33 or VNCreal.com (or something like tthat) Mar 17 16:49:44 So, you are saying, the easiest way to do this is to run a remote desktop on another computer Mar 17 16:49:55 there exists a VNC viewer for the device Mar 17 16:50:03 If I had another computer, then I could just run the presentation on THAT computer Mar 17 16:50:07 as far as i know at the moment yes. Mar 17 16:50:19 correct Mar 17 16:50:22 @desertc I think the NoBounds project would suit you. If it does get released Mar 17 16:51:16 Is there any way to run the video out the USB cable? Mar 17 16:52:05 To my knowledge, there are no other I/O ports on the N800 Mar 17 16:52:47 ... there is the SDCard slot, of course, which is a super open standard ... Mar 17 16:52:59 ... but it's not asynchronous. Mar 17 16:53:49 desertc: This is the previously mentioned nobounds project: http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/14/nokia-nobounds-projects-promises-full-hd-video-over-usb-or-wlan/ Mar 17 16:54:13 Thanks for the link Mar 17 16:54:26 Oh yeah! That's what I am looking to do Mar 17 16:54:50 sneak into the bochum labs and steal the stuff :) Mar 17 16:54:55 haha ... over the WLAN nice Mar 17 16:55:11 @jott, I'll put on my ski mask... Mar 17 16:55:27 But cyberholic is in Germany, I'm in the UK :P Mar 17 16:55:51 :] Mar 17 16:55:58 8] Mar 17 16:56:05 :D :) Mar 17 16:56:45 geeesus... can not establish a VNC server connection even after port forwarding... would be nice if you all could call me a "looser", that might help! Mar 17 16:56:56 looser Mar 17 16:57:00 looser Mar 17 16:57:02 Actually, now that I think about it -- it would be 10 pounds of awesome to be able to put my N800 display on my monitor through the USB interface, just for regular home use. Mar 17 16:57:16 Lol Mar 17 16:57:17 desertc: VNC :) Mar 17 16:57:34 cyberholic: Are you tryng to run VNC as client or server on your tablet? Mar 17 16:57:38 unless you're a looser, of course Mar 17 16:57:40 @cyberholic: Tried the problems sections here http://mike.saunby.googlepages.com/x11vncfornokia7702? Mar 17 16:57:40 Well, the thing with VNC is the N800 would have to run the server-side software 24/7 Mar 17 16:57:44 desertc, n800/n810 support usb host mode.. maybe a usb-vga adapter work? Mar 17 16:58:03 thanks guys! i am trying it as client.... i want to show the device desktop on my pc Mar 17 16:58:05 sKaBoy: nice idea -- researching... Mar 17 16:58:07 Remove the question mark from my link :) Mar 17 16:58:22 cyberholic: Are you on the same subnet as your server? Mar 17 16:58:55 I have had the suspicious that running server side software like SSH and VNC will reduce the battery time on the N800. Is that a correct assumption? Mar 17 16:58:57 dunno :( ... sorry i am not a pro in server-management. .... Mar 17 16:59:00 or this vga sdio thingie :) Mar 17 16:59:08 I actually use penguinbaits version so I'm not really acquainted with Mike's port Mar 17 16:59:25 cyberholic: Are your tablet and PC connected to the same LAN or are you trying to connect over the Internets or something? Mar 17 17:00:17 they are on the same LAN. I am in front of my router settings--virtual-servers and it asks me for a public and a private address *?* Mar 17 17:00:43 cyberholic: If both machines are on the same LAN, you don't need to do anything to your router. Port forwarding should be unnecessary Mar 17 17:00:43 @cyberholic Which router do you have? Mar 17 17:00:54 acer Mar 17 17:01:01 @pope, my netgear still makes me forward on the same lan :( Mar 17 17:01:07 but it is a W-LAN connection, does that matter? Mar 17 17:01:08 cyberholic: Are you trying to connect to your PC by entering it's IP or it's name? Mar 17 17:01:16 the IP Mar 17 17:01:32 qwerty12: Really? There's a firewall between your LAN clients? Mar 17 17:01:49 my mum is between my LAN clients :( Mar 17 17:01:54 pope523: yep :(. I cannot disable it Mar 17 17:02:06 Unless I telnet into it and hack with iptables Mar 17 17:02:11 qwerty12: That seems sort of bizarre to me Mar 17 17:02:14 i can not disable my mum too *:( Mar 17 17:02:48 cyberholic: MOST routers, your WLAN clients and ethernet clients on the Private side are on a single subnet and not isolated from each other Mar 17 17:03:02 cyberholic: That should mean no forwarding is necessary Mar 17 17:03:09 cyberholic: Can you ping your PC from your tablet? Mar 17 17:03:35 pope: thanks! when i check the VNC icon, it tells me my IP 192.168 etc.... i thought that all i needed was to enter that IP on my device when asked for VNC Server Mar 17 17:03:56 hey jott, where are your linux-omap patch? The requested URL /rotate/Updated_blizzard_rotation_support.diff was not found on this server. Mar 17 17:03:59 Ah, you were entering the IP for your tablet? Mar 17 17:04:30 s/are/is Mar 17 17:04:31 no, i was entering the IP showing on my WinXP inside the "VNC server" dialog of my n800. Mar 17 17:04:57 Is it working now ? :) Mar 17 17:05:02 nope Mar 17 17:05:09 :(, damn lol Mar 17 17:05:14 :) Mar 17 17:05:21 cyberholic: Do you know how to ping? Mar 17 17:05:28 yep Mar 17 17:05:39 Restart your N800 and run x11vnc.sh from terminal on N800 please Mar 17 17:05:40 well... could you tell me the exact ping command Mar 17 17:05:40 cyberholic: Try to ping the IP shown on the VNC icon on your PC Mar 17 17:06:04 qwerty12: He's trying to use the VNC client on the tablet, I thought Mar 17 17:06:13 cyberholic: ping Mar 17 17:06:28 I'm confused, I thought he wanted to run server on tablet and connect from computer Mar 17 17:06:50 cyberholic: Are you trying to see your PC from your tablet, or see your tablet from your PC? Mar 17 17:06:54 cyberholic: any chance of clearing this up? :P :D Mar 17 17:06:55 pope: you are correct! i am using the VNC Viewer on n800. And then i installed VNC on my WinXP. And i want to see my tablet on my WinXP... sorry for my bad english explanation :) Mar 17 17:07:19 Wrong way round it seems to me. Mar 17 17:07:25 You want to see and control the tablet, from your Windows XP desktop. Mar 17 17:07:30 ping works correctly. Mar 17 17:07:37 If you want to see tablet on pc, then you install server on N800 and client on XP :) Mar 17 17:07:40 poe: yes correct Mar 17 17:07:50 If you want to see XP on tablet, server on pc and client on N800 Mar 17 17:08:01 qwerty: ARGH... i am such an idiot! that could it be! Mar 17 17:08:07 cyberholic: On the PC, did you install the VNC Client AND Server? Mar 17 17:08:14 pope: yep Mar 17 17:08:25 Everywhere I take my N800, people are always asking me about it and wanting to buy one. It's so terrific to see Linux and Free Software driving such an obviously effective device. Mar 17 17:08:29 cyberholic: On the N800, have you installed the x11vnc package? Mar 17 17:08:57 desertc: then you have a new reason to show them how cool it can be: check out my new project at www.mojocafe.de Mar 17 17:09:08 pope: not yet... Mar 17 17:09:08 mojocafe pwns :) Mar 17 17:09:15 :) Mar 17 17:09:19 cyberholic: Ok, install x11vnc Mar 17 17:09:26 It is the VNC server for the n800 Mar 17 17:09:27 pope: can i install it through the garage? Mar 17 17:09:42 cyberholic: I do believe so Mar 17 17:09:43 Nah the link I gave http://mike.saunby.googlepages.com/x11vncfornokia7702 Mar 17 17:09:44 :) Mar 17 17:09:50 x11vnc isnt in garage Mar 17 17:09:50 hehe - used a lot of flash - and I just use Gnash on my desktop. The new features in Flash (action script 3) do not work for me. Mar 17 17:09:51 qwerty: thnx. Mar 17 17:10:21 pope: let me guess your answer to "how can i thank you". Answer: "3 times Ave Maria and 2 times praying to Santo Domingo!" ;) Mar 17 17:10:47 qwerty12: On the contrary :) https://garage.maemo.org/projects/x11vnc/ Mar 17 17:11:02 cyberholic: Hah Mar 17 17:11:04 Oh my bad >.<, thanks :) Mar 17 17:11:29 Same deb file though :) (I must make my comeback :P :D) Mar 17 17:11:35 :) Mar 17 17:11:38 touche! Mar 17 17:11:47 touché i mean. Mar 17 17:11:47 cyberholic: Okay, the web page works on my N800. It brings me to a login prompt. What now? Mar 17 17:12:09 desertc: you have to visit the page with your desktop PC first and add some Mojos aka applets to your profile. Mar 17 17:12:37 Then visit the page on your device and start the widgets. Mar 17 17:12:48 cyberholic: I guess I am stuck without access to Adobe's Flash. There's no version for 64-bit linux. Mar 17 17:13:13 desertc: correct.... that's sad. Mar 17 17:13:47 desertc: If you want to know what you are missing: http://www.mojocafe.de/blog ..... but there are more then 30 Mojos aka appletts available. Mar 17 17:13:51 no Adobe Flash for 64-bit Windows either, not that I care. Mar 17 17:14:51 cyberholic: So Mojocafe is access to a bunch of Flash widgets? Mar 17 17:15:05 Very good looking ones :D Mar 17 17:15:26 That are specifically designed to run on the Nokia IT's Mar 17 17:15:30 Speaking of Flash - does anyone else have the issue of YouTube videos playing such that the video does not catch up with the audio? Mar 17 17:15:52 I believe Flash on Linux has problems anyway :( Mar 17 17:15:59 Lots of problems Mar 17 17:16:10 desertc: yeah. You choose them on your desktop PC and add them to your profile. Then you start them on your device and have some kind of "full screen screensaver" while your device is on your desk, shelf, table or whatever. This way you can have, for example, the NY Times Worldnews in fullscreen readable. Mar 17 17:16:22 I was on a page and you wont believe the slowdown my firefox went through. In XP MCE, it works fine :( Mar 17 17:16:27 maybe Maemo could throw their support behind Gnash - or that other Flash alternative (forget the name) Mar 17 17:16:36 <||cw> desertc: all the time, on various desktops too Mar 17 17:17:17 cyberholic: nice! Mar 17 17:17:28 desertc: I'm sure there's a petition somewhere. The N800 would be terrible useful for video blogging if the who Flash/video4linux thing worked right Mar 17 17:17:41 Thats why i am trying to start up VNC - i want to make an introduction Video of this service. Mar 17 17:17:55 oh, the other GPL flash player alternative is called, "Swfdec", which some consider more useful Mar 17 17:18:34 pope523: To say you aren't as good as linux as windows, your knowledge surprises (in a good way :)) me Mar 17 17:18:37 pope & qwerty: that is strange! i start x11vnc but nothing happens :( Mar 17 17:18:52 cyberholic: No, it started Mar 17 17:18:55 It's not meant to say anything on the tablet itself Mar 17 17:19:01 ah ok. thankx. Mar 17 17:19:07 cyberholic: Now find the Ip for your tablet Mar 17 17:19:13 cyberholic: And try to connect to it Mar 17 17:19:26 qwerty12: I've done a lot of reading to find out why I can't do the things I want to with Linux :) Mar 17 17:19:40 that reminds me of ....*i should layout a IP MOJO* Mar 17 17:19:52 qwerty12: Like why there is no way to record video from the n800 that will play right anywhere else without transcoding Mar 17 17:20:09 Ahh I see :), cool :) Mar 17 17:20:17 can i use the ping comand on my tablet somewhere like xterminal? Mar 17 17:20:35 cyberholic: Yes, but that won't tell you your tablet's IP and that's what you need at the moment Mar 17 17:20:50 Had some Apple iPhone guy explaining to me why his closed, proprietary device was better because he could enlarge photos with the two-finger touch screen. I was like -- but I don't look at photos with my N800... ? :) Mar 17 17:20:54 ah ok.... whatsmyip.com? Mar 17 17:21:04 cyberholic, probably not Mar 17 17:21:12 cyberholic That would probably give you your router's public IP Mar 17 17:21:21 @cyberholic Run ifconfig | grep inet Mar 17 17:21:30 pope: correct! Mar 17 17:21:31 on your tablet Mar 17 17:21:43 qwerty: i am running! lol. Mar 17 17:21:48 where can i run that? Mar 17 17:21:49 <||cw> isn't ehre still a home screen plugin for that? Mar 17 17:21:52 iphome Mar 17 17:22:00 @cyberholic in terminal :) Mar 17 17:22:01 <||cw> yeah Mar 17 17:22:02 ||cw, yes Mar 17 17:22:02 is that an app? Mar 17 17:22:05 <||cw> so... Mar 17 17:22:11 no ifconfig in default install Mar 17 17:22:23 why don't you check the connection manager UI? Mar 17 17:22:28 /sbin/ifconfig Mar 17 17:22:34 not there Mar 17 17:22:48 iphome not found :) Mar 17 17:22:55 le sigh Mar 17 17:22:58 It is installed on my OS2008 and I didnt install any extra wireless tools but do what jku says :) Mar 17 17:22:59 It shouldn't be this hard Mar 17 17:23:07 jku is right, check the connection manager Mar 17 17:23:08 jku, impossible... I used it yesterday Mar 17 17:23:34 so my friends: xterminal is open, what shall i enter in there? Mar 17 17:23:48 cyberholic: Still trying to agree on that :) Mar 17 17:23:55 :) Mar 17 17:23:55 @cyberholic, go to applications, settings, connection manager, internet connecion , ip address Mar 17 17:24:15 qwerty12, bloody hell you're right, I must have checked /usr/sbin Mar 17 17:24:31 Why doesn't Maemo come with OGG codec support, by default? Mar 17 17:24:45 jku, I did the test right now... /sbin/ifconfig exists Mar 17 17:25:04 qwerty: CORRECT! got it! Mar 17 17:25:09 DaniloCesar, like I said I was wrong Mar 17 17:25:14 cyberholic: You're almost there :) Mar 17 17:25:14 Cool, thanks to jku for the idea :D Mar 17 17:25:24 cyberholic: Now put THAT IP into VNC on your desktop Mar 17 17:25:24 Shows how much I use the program... Mar 17 17:25:29 :) Mar 17 17:25:29 so does that mean that the server is already running? Mar 17 17:25:35 jku, Sorry, I didn't read it... Mar 17 17:25:42 cyberholic: That doesn't mean the server is running Mar 17 17:25:53 cyberholic: But if you clicked on the x11vnc icon, the server should be running Mar 17 17:25:58 desertc, it has to be a (perceived) legal problem Mar 17 17:26:06 cyberholic: Click it once, started it. Click it a second time stops it. Mar 17 17:26:30 pope: how can i check if it is running? Mar 17 17:26:34 jku: The OGG project was created just for the reason to avoid (perceived) legal problems. Mar 17 17:26:39 cyberholic: Try to connect to it :) Mar 17 17:26:45 lol Mar 17 17:26:45 desertc, the ogg-bug is the most voted for bug in the bugzilla (twice the amount of votes than the next one).. Mar 17 17:26:53 cyberholic: If it doesn't connect, click it again and try to conect again Mar 17 17:26:54 pope: i got a bomb here. Red or Blue wire? Mar 17 17:27:03 Both. Goodbye. Mar 17 17:27:06 :p Mar 17 17:27:08 LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL Mar 17 17:27:11 heh Mar 17 17:27:20 I was trying to come up with a color-blind joke Mar 17 17:27:44 desertc, the foundation doesn't do anything against submarine patents, AFAIK Mar 17 17:27:46 does not work yet :( Mar 17 17:28:00 shall i uninstall VNC client from my device? Mar 17 17:28:00 cyberholic: Click the x11vnc icon and try connection again Mar 17 17:28:08 Insanity. Mar 17 17:28:15 cyberholic: You can, but it's not necessary to uninstall it Mar 17 17:28:25 pope: you mean the connection from winXP, correct? Mar 17 17:28:31 cyberholic: Correct Mar 17 17:28:43 pope523: After clicking on the x11vnc icon on your tablet Mar 17 17:28:50 Talking to myself again Mar 17 17:29:31 Since all my audio/video media is in OGG format, Is this the recommended way to get OGG support? http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/ogg/ Mar 17 17:29:54 I believe it is the only way. Unless you want to use xmms Mar 17 17:30:01 ty Mar 17 17:30:30 np :). You dont use SIP/Voip by any chance do you? Mar 17 17:30:54 I do - all the time Mar 17 17:31:04 That's my primary use of my N800 Mar 17 17:31:05 That package is reported to break it Mar 17 17:31:09 :( Mar 17 17:31:58 I think try xmms then Mar 17 17:32:07 you can probably work around it by erasing the speex codec Mar 17 17:32:12 if you just want vorbis support Mar 17 17:32:15 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11892 Mar 17 17:32:24 But warning, its not really maemo friendly Mar 17 17:32:31 I only use it for A2DP support Mar 17 17:32:40 install that one and delete /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstspeex.so Mar 17 17:32:44 What about the Kilkali media player I used in OS2007 Mar 17 17:33:06 It exists for OS2008 but I never personally used it so I wouldnt know Mar 17 17:33:06 I do a lot of work with Speex libraries in Debian / Ubuntu, so I would be reluctant to remove it. Mar 17 17:34:18 well, do you on your tablet? Mar 17 17:34:43 I think the problem there is just that speex's RTP payloader/depayloader is broken in the version shipped in OS2008 Mar 17 17:34:54 so if you add the speex codec, it tries to use it for your calls, then totally fails Mar 17 17:35:01 "This is not a speex file!" -> splat Mar 17 17:35:09 its fixed upstream in gstreamer so should work now Mar 17 17:35:22 PEOPLE I MUST INFORM YOU ABOUT THE FACT.......... THAT I LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE YOU! Mar 17 17:35:25 (with a newer gst version, but don't try and upgrade your device) Mar 17 17:35:25 desertc: Kilikali depends on the ogg support package Mar 17 17:35:33 cyberholic: Is it working? :) Mar 17 17:35:48 nope *im such a liar* Mar 17 17:35:56 desertc: or not "depends" but "depends for ogg support" :) Mar 17 17:36:04 cyberholic: But are you lying now, or were you lying before? Mar 17 17:36:31 zuh: I understand, thanks for the info Mar 17 17:36:32 yeah it works. pope and qwerty: in case you would like to, send me a logo or picture and i will make a Mojo for each one of you. mail is cyber AT cyberholic DOT de Mar 17 17:37:25 cyberholic: Thank you :), but I'm not artistic so I wouldn't have anything to send in :D Mar 17 17:37:57 You are welcome whenever you want:) Mar 17 17:38:08 Thank you :) ^-^ Mar 17 17:39:00 Do you have a link to the "bug" for requesting OGG support in Maemo ? Mar 17 17:39:15 desertc: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2811 Mar 17 17:39:36 desertc: That's the bug for the broken VOIP Mar 17 17:39:50 No comments from anyone but Tuomas so far... Mar 17 17:40:04 desertc, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=176 Mar 17 17:41:18 jku: Thanks - just what I was seeking. Do you have info on the potential breaking of VoIP application with the OGG package installed? Mar 17 17:41:23 Glad to see people opting out due to missing OGG support, vote with your feet! :) Mar 17 17:41:41 desertc, sorry, no idea Mar 17 17:46:03 hello Mar 17 17:46:06 Is pupnik around? If so, I would like to say thank you :). Your Super Mario War port works fine on N800 OS2008. I have to run it with "smw" from xterm, I will make a desktop file. Mar 17 17:46:09 hellp Mar 17 17:46:11 *hello Mar 17 17:48:34 is any way to not switch off display when the device is charging? Mar 17 17:49:17 yes Mar 17 17:49:50 You can set in control panel. Mar 17 17:49:50 control panel -> display -> stays lit -> only when charging Mar 17 17:52:06 i want to make a video screencap for mojocafe.de ... do you consider me using any other software then WINK for doing that? Mar 17 17:52:57 Theres an opensource one for Windows but I forgot name Mar 17 17:53:24 WINK :) Mar 17 17:53:40 Something else ;) :P. Unless they changed name Mar 17 17:54:05 ah yes, you are right... they changed it because they were sold to a mayor player.... sorry, my fault. you are totally corrrrrrrect. Mar 17 17:54:23 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CamStudio Mar 17 17:54:31 Thats the one I was thinking of :) Mar 17 17:54:38 I still sort of hate flash. Mar 17 17:55:08 it's not that open. Mar 17 17:55:29 Ahh yes, I see Mar 17 17:55:33 Flash sucks Mar 17 17:55:52 and I prefer to try to find alternatives if there are, and not encourage *more* usage of flash. Mar 17 17:56:02 Yes, Flash sucks .... a lot of power resources :) .... but in terms of entertainment its awesome Mar 17 17:56:16 that hate is so deeply rooted that it would be hard to drop, even if all flash content was miraculoulsy nice and easy to use and flash was open Mar 17 17:56:18 I realize that there can be useful flash applications, but for example flash for stylish navigation just plain sucks. Mar 17 17:56:25 I'd even prefer asvg over flash Mar 17 17:56:33 jku: nope, not really. Mar 17 17:56:45 I like flash. On my W810, we have flash lite and in the modder community, many people make great flash menus Mar 17 17:56:57 ok, how to do that using code? Mar 17 17:56:59 flash menus? what's the *use* of that? Mar 17 17:57:05 Fun :D Mar 17 17:57:15 On Sony Ericsson, normal menu isn't much Mar 17 17:58:11 usability improvements Mar 17 17:58:13 :) Mar 17 17:58:36 qwerty: well, I still do prefer that it's accessible to anyone anywhere instead of it looking fancy. that's the root of my dislike of flash. Mar 17 18:00:14 Veggen: I see what you mean. I think if Linux flash was better, it would be nicer. Mar 17 18:00:18 i hate flash unless there is a video to be displayed Mar 17 18:00:44 qwerty: This isn't about linux either, really. What about the BSDs? Mar 17 18:01:07 BSDs have a flash build as well Mar 17 18:01:19 they're all equally bad Mar 17 18:01:37 Veggen: I guess I don't really regard BSD much. Don't get me wrong, I like it but I think Linux is a bit more known. Mar 17 18:02:01 qwerty: Making more proprietary/non-open-source implementations doesn't help all that much. I'd like it more if they made available an open source reference implementation of a client. Mar 17 18:02:11 and think about accessibility in a larger sense: web maybe bad, but flash is totally useless in that regard Mar 17 18:02:11 I talked with Nokia's technical support, and they said I should post my question on the Nokia Forums. I got directed to this link: http://www.forum.nokia.com/main/platforms/maemo/ But I don't see a message forum for users. Mar 17 18:02:37 Should I post in the "Forum for maemo developers" ? Mar 17 18:03:05 depends Mar 17 18:03:24 qwerty: Don't get me wrong - I do realize that there might be proper usages for flash - but stylish navigation isn't good enough reason imho. Mar 17 18:03:43 * sp3000 looks for the question Mar 17 18:04:03 "potential breaking of VoIP application with the OGG package installed?" Mar 17 18:04:21 * sp3000 ahs a vague recollection of something like that, yes Mar 17 18:04:35 sp3000: yes, that and my request that maemo have OGG support integrated by default. Mar 17 18:05:08 Veggen: :). I agree with what you are saying, and I can see what you mean. But for me, on devices where it works, I don't really have a problem with it. I wish it was more open though. Mar 17 18:05:37 wasn't there some patent-minefield-fears that was cited as reason for not supporting OGG, last time it came up? Mar 17 18:05:43 sp3000: OGG is a common format, and all my music is in OGG Vorbis format. It should not be a fight to get this working, or cause problems with VoIP apps. I bought the device primarily for VoIP, web browsing, and OGG support. Mar 17 18:06:13 qwerty: but that's my point. On the open web, you can never be sure what devices it's accessed with. Mar 17 18:06:13 desertc: http://tuomas.kulve.fi/blog/2008/01/24/ogg-support-issues/ Mar 17 18:06:16 Veggen: The OGG project was created just to avoid patent minefields. I can't imagine there are more patents with OGG than MP3 Mar 17 18:06:39 desertc: I know, but I still think I saw a thread somewhere about that. Mar 17 18:06:53 Yet the maemo supports MP2, MP3, and MP4 even with all the patents surrounding them. Mar 17 18:06:58 Perhaps they are defensive. ;) Mar 17 18:07:29 sp3000: thanks for that link I was seeking Mar 17 18:09:01 desertc, Nokia no doubt pays through the nose for the mp3 patents... Mar 17 18:09:23 very likely, yes. Mar 17 18:10:33 Perhaps, they believe they are 'safe' by paying for codecs with patents, than not paying for codecs which were designed to be royalty-free. Mar 17 18:11:20 desertc: I think sound encoding is a patent minefield in general. Mar 17 18:12:02 Nokia had no trouble using Speex codecs, though. Mar 17 18:12:08 _if_ it is a legal threat they are afraid of, they probably have details we don't... Mar 17 18:12:12 My music collection is transcoded FLAC -> AAC Mar 17 18:12:19 desertc: So it's perceived better to pay for something you know the risk of, or you think you do, than something where someone is lying around with submarine patents waiting to surface whenever it's gained support. Mar 17 18:12:24 It sucks, I know. Mar 17 18:13:07 Related to bug 2811, why would loading OGG codecs corrupt the API between Google Talk and Speex ? Mar 17 18:14:08 I believe some parts try to use speex but the engine doesn't support it after all (or decides not to even try) Mar 17 18:17:56 The package maintainer says, " Mar 17 18:17:56 The ogg-support is listed as the The Pearl for OS2008, thanks! :)" What do you think he meant by The Pearl ? Mar 17 18:18:12 see maemo.org/downloads Mar 17 18:18:31 kulve: Are you Thomas Kulve ? Mar 17 18:18:36 Heh. Mar 17 18:18:41 yes, Tuomas ;) Mar 17 18:19:06 So this is your package. !! Mar 17 18:19:08 kulve: just think how many devices you broke VoIP in by being the "perl" ;) Mar 17 18:19:34 zuh: I'm not the one who did buggy code ;) Mar 17 18:19:36 (I hope) Mar 17 18:19:52 Who did the code? Mar 17 18:19:56 broke voip? not *my* voip. my voip is the rtcomm beta with SIP towards my own Asterisk. Mar 17 18:19:59 desertc: Nokia Mar 17 18:20:03 anyone tried Navit? Mar 17 18:20:09 kulve: and us... :) Mar 17 18:20:10 desertc.... you want to see some screenshots of the weather Mojo on my device? Mar 17 18:20:11 (I'm referring to the media engine) Mar 17 18:20:12 works fine even with ogg codecs installed. Mar 17 18:20:14 kulve: Nokia wrote the OGG codec code?! Mar 17 18:20:31 kulve: the media engine isn't used for VOIP, the telepathy stream engine is Mar 17 18:20:35 Woah, libnotify overload >.< :P Mar 17 18:20:40 it's not the thing at fault as I explained above Mar 17 18:20:44 Veggen: have you tried with both sides having the speex support Mar 17 18:20:56 it's because the RTP payloader/depayloder in GStreamer is buggy Mar 17 18:20:59 for speex Mar 17 18:20:59 kulve: mmm, nope. Mar 17 18:21:28 Robot101: really? Feel free to comment on the bug (when b.m.o works again) Mar 17 18:21:35 so if you add speex plugins to the device, it gets picked up automatically, then if it tries to use it the call fails Mar 17 18:21:44 that's likely to be the reason anyway Mar 17 18:21:57 ooooh... so the Speex plugins are not there by default? Mar 17 18:22:03 Robot101: So if the plugins were fixed it would actually work? Mar 17 18:22:07 desertc: yep, they aren't Mar 17 18:22:18 oh, there are two problems actually Mar 17 18:22:25 it might not even get to the broken payloader Mar 17 18:22:27 desertc: here you go: http://www.mojocafe.de/pr/weather01.jpg and from a different angle at http://www.mojocafe.de/pr/weather02.jpg Mar 17 18:22:33 cyberholic: thank you Mar 17 18:22:58 cyberholic: that's hot Mar 17 18:23:04 desertc: *gg* Mar 17 18:23:17 @cyberholic, I like it :) Mar 17 18:23:34 what's mojocafe supposed to do if you access it from your PC, btw? Mar 17 18:23:36 thnx... i have just realized that the clocks do not work correctly.... its midnight at the moment... *not* Mar 17 18:23:53 and by PC, do you mean Windows PC? (cause I don't have that) Mar 17 18:23:54 it makes me so sad to see nokia failing to adopt these open standards Mar 17 18:24:40 Robot101: do want to tell what's the other problem? Mar 17 18:24:59 would it help them if someone actually sold them licenses for Speex and OGG Vorbis? Mar 17 18:25:05 kulve: yeah, sorry, was just chatting about it with one of our guys Mar 17 18:25:18 Robot101: take your time :) Mar 17 18:25:34 kulve: it's because the speex codecs get selected, but there's no alsasrc/alsasink on the device, so it fails to build the pipeline Mar 17 18:25:37 * zuh is still amazed how the conic library hasn't got a clear "is this thing on?"-call Mar 17 18:26:10 Robot101: uhm, why does it care about which audio sink there is..? Mar 17 18:26:39 kulve: because the other codecs (the ones on the DSP) don't need a source/sink, so at the moment one isn't set... Mar 17 18:27:15 kulve: the problem is, it's not very easy to fix - if we put in eg the dsp PCM source/sinks, or the esd source/sinks, then it will fail to build the pipeline because it would try to link two sinks together or something... :S Mar 17 18:27:39 (for all of the DSP codecs, so it would fix speex, but break it in all cases where speex is not negotiated) Mar 17 18:27:46 zuh, the connection-event -signal is practically the same thing as it fires an initial event when you connect. Weird, but works Mar 17 18:28:22 jku: But I specifically do *not* want to connect. I just want to know if it's on or not. Mar 17 18:28:52 zuh: haven't you read the tutorial? I think that's stated there.. Mar 17 18:28:53 right, just set "automatic-connection-events" and it works like that Mar 17 18:29:14 zuh the API is crazy but you can do what you want Mar 17 18:29:37 Heh, my complaint exactly was that there is no clear "is this thing on"-call ;) Mar 17 18:30:02 Not that I couldn't do what I want Mar 17 18:30:51 D-Bus just works better with signals, have to give them that... It's still weird though Mar 17 18:31:42 Can someone help me with scratchbox? I want to compile kernel and I need to download sources but when I do "apt-get update" I get http://pastebin.com/d385aa141 . But when I use CHINOOK_ARMEL target, apt-get update works fine. Mar 17 18:32:18 http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/kernel_guide_for_maemo.html - I'm using this guide Mar 17 18:32:36 qwerty: fakeroot, perhaps? Mar 17 18:32:51 I tried fakeroot too :( Mar 17 18:33:20 qwerty12: I just used the CHINOOK_ARMEL target Mar 17 18:33:32 zuh, "Using this flags means that if a connection isn't already established, the connection request will fail. " Mar 17 18:33:41 Another thing they might want to mention there is that it expects the user of the library to set up the D-Bus message dispatching. But I guess "everybody uses libosso" or something... Mar 17 18:33:52 @pH5, ok, thank you. I will try compiling tommorow. but now, I gtg. Bye all :) Mar 17 18:33:53 zuh, from the libconic documentation for CON_IC_CONNECT_FLAG_AUTOMATICALLY_TRIGGERED Mar 17 18:34:04 zuhm that is truly weird Mar 17 18:34:10 zuh, even Mar 17 18:34:42 a wrapper for a D-Bus api and I have to setup D-Bus... Mar 17 18:36:48 Actually it's worse. They handle all the details of the D-Bus connection, but using the lowlevel API so no glib mainloop integration kicks in (which would be even fair assumption). So if you didn't use dbus_g_get_bus() no events will ever come. Mar 17 18:37:56 But I guess I should be coding against sillly API's instead of complaining about them ;) Mar 17 18:38:35 jku: Thanks for pointing that flag out, that'll do I suppose. Mar 17 18:38:45 that was inz :) Mar 17 18:38:52 oh Mar 17 18:39:14 Three letter nicks are easy to mess up Mar 17 18:39:16 damn all those three-lettered nicks...oh wait! Mar 17 18:39:48 zuh, obviously you can also call dbus_connection_setup_wit_g_main, but then you'd have to acquire the bus first in some other way Mar 17 18:40:03 ..and the API doesn't expose that Mar 17 18:40:13 we should all use cryptographically strong nicks Mar 17 18:40:26 zuh, of course not, it's hidden implementation detail... ;) Mar 17 18:40:42 jku: Mine is. It's really 8 letters long but I hide the last five Mar 17 18:41:50 I'm developing an application that uses network (a twitter client) but it appears that the scratchbox/xephyr environment doesn't support networking. Is that true? Mar 17 18:42:04 jku, mine is random lenght and consists of random characters, what is cryptographically stronger than that? Mar 17 18:42:49 geoffeg: No, networking should work just fine under scratchbox. Mar 17 18:43:17 hmm Mar 17 18:43:18 hmm. nuts. I have a lousy nick-change-policy. haven't changed it for 17 years ;P Mar 17 18:44:08 zuh: Is there anything I have to do to set up networking? Mar 17 18:44:25 geoffeg: check your /etc/resolv.conf Mar 17 18:44:42 ...in scratchbox, of course. Mar 17 18:44:50 it's set to 127.0.0.1 Mar 17 18:45:18 (the strange thing is that wget with a hostname (not an IP) worked fine inside the scratchboc Mar 17 18:45:50 geoffeg: This is probably what you are hitting: http://lists.scratchbox.org/pipermail/scratchbox-users/2007-March/000906.html Mar 17 18:46:27 thanks, will try Mar 17 18:47:20 zuh: hmm, that's the way it is in my nsswitch.conf Mar 17 18:48:06 zuh: changing /etc/resolv.conf fixed it, thanks! Mar 17 18:48:38 you're welcome Mar 17 18:48:44 Yeah, the 127.0.0.1 is what is used on the device... I was about to point that out :) Mar 17 18:48:45 yes, thanks fugitivo Mar 17 18:50:35 now to learn about the glib XML parser Mar 17 18:51:02 kulve: you still there? Mar 17 18:51:24 kulve: you can work around by disabling speex in /etc/farsightgstcodec.conf Mar 17 18:51:49 bah Mar 17 18:52:05 /etc/farsight/gstcodecs.conf ? :) Mar 17 18:52:13 I meant /etc/farsight/gst... but I can't type atm yeah :) Mar 17 18:52:22 [audio/SPEEX] Mar 17 18:52:25 id=-1 Mar 17 18:52:31 that will disable speex Mar 17 18:52:37 thanks, that's more clean way of disabling speex Mar 17 18:53:12 its a shame the DSP codec support in farsight breaks the non-DSP codecs, but we never had a requirement to be able to mix them Mar 17 18:53:38 we did actually try and push speex support onto the schedules, but it never got accepted as a feature thus far Mar 17 18:53:50 hmmm..anyone come across the sources for mediastreamer anywhere, btw? Mar 17 18:55:01 Robot101: could you write your comments on the bug 2811 once b.m.o is working? Mar 17 18:55:21 I was trying to get it to use another interface than wlan0 when broadcasting for media servers. Mar 17 18:56:39 gah Mar 17 18:57:00 whats my bugzilla password :( Mar 17 18:57:07 password Mar 17 18:57:54 ...because my home mediaservers is behind an openvpn-link that I bridge to, so in theory it should work if I only could convince it to use that interface instead/in addition :) Mar 17 18:58:28 Robot101: it's in read-only mode now anyway.. Mar 17 18:59:03 ah, that'd be why I can't get it to mail me a password :D Mar 17 18:59:31 Is there anything I should know about the libxml2 that comes with OS2008? it doesn't have xpath disabled, right? Mar 17 19:00:13 geoffeg: it probably has some stuff disabled, why? Mar 17 19:00:41 hmm, ok, i'll check before i start writing a lot of code.. I was going to use Xpath to pull elements out of an XML document.. Mar 17 19:00:45 felipec: feel free to read robot101's comments about bug 2811.. Mar 17 19:01:47 geoffeg: i'm using it to get data from HTML and works Mar 17 19:02:11 awesome, XPath will be much easier than doing it with a SAX design.. thanks again fugitivo Mar 17 19:02:17 kulve: I'm running with a bit of a high load average today, if you want to paste in my comments later feel free Mar 17 19:05:18 geoffeg, yeah, xpath works fine Mar 17 19:06:16 great, thanks Mar 17 19:11:24 Robot101: thanks, I'll do that Mar 17 19:11:37 Robot101: When you say to change [audio/speex] , do you mean to add the line id=-1 or replace the existing line "clock-rate=16000" Mar 17 19:12:41 just add id=-1 to both [audio/speex] sections I think, it will disable speex Mar 17 19:13:00 thanks Mar 17 19:13:23 audio/SPEEX it should be Mar 17 19:13:34 (but its probably case insensitive) Mar 17 19:13:46 kulve: Can I ask you a question? How do you deal with the Speex library requirement for floating point calculations on the ARM processor? Mar 17 19:14:09 Tester_: god damn it you've been here all along/ :P Mar 17 19:14:15 I used --enable-armv5 or something like that (and integer-only optimizations) Mar 17 19:14:23 desertc: compile with vfp Mar 17 19:14:24 :) Mar 17 19:14:36 Robot101: yes ;) Mar 17 19:14:38 KotCzarny: it's much faster without it Mar 17 19:14:42 I'll comment on the bug Mar 17 19:14:55 eeexcelent. Mar 17 19:15:06 if we could make it work that'd be nice... :P Mar 17 19:15:14 kulve: thank you Mar 17 19:15:22 * pupnik_ waves a 'go open source dsp codec examples' sign from the sidelines Mar 17 19:15:24 do you think s-e creating the dsppcm{src,sink} elements will screw things? Mar 17 19:15:29 Tester_: ok, so I don't paste irc comments there :) Mar 17 19:15:48 would probably be pretty easy to test Mar 17 19:16:23 desertc: http://tuomas.kulve.fi/blog/2007/05/13/ogg-support-02-speex/ Mar 17 19:16:32 but those tests might not be very reliable.. Mar 17 19:17:09 is there some good documentation on python and hildon library. there are some brief descriptions but is there some API document or smthg? Mar 17 19:18:55 kulve: very interesting Mar 17 19:19:53 kulve: these test were on the machine with rest of the libs compiled for vfp? Mar 17 19:20:06 *tests Mar 17 19:20:53 KotCzarny: I think the rest aren't vfp but it shouldn't matter much as speex doesn't really use external libs, afaik Mar 17 19:21:24 kilve: but switching between thumb and 32bit does, as you or your friend stated Mar 17 19:21:26 somewhere Mar 17 19:22:00 *kulve Mar 17 19:22:24 ssvb said that the switching should be fast, but I really don't know what to believe about that (until somebody shows some benchmarking) Mar 17 19:22:28 but now, bbl Mar 17 19:22:42 :) Mar 17 19:23:09 I would like to see a new 1-to-many VoIP application called "Mumble" packaged for Maemo, in the future. It will be appearing for the first time in the next Ubuntu release. It's stable (v1.1) and useful. Just mentioning it for you to check out. Mar 17 19:24:09 I think we'll be hearing much more about the program as user adoption increases. Mar 17 19:25:05 It's an open source Teamspeak / Ventrilio Mar 17 19:42:36 arg.. the maemo bugs db is b0rked Mar 17 19:43:14 still? Mar 17 19:43:15 :) Mar 17 19:45:57 hi Mar 17 19:46:48 hiya lopz Mar 17 19:47:23 if anyone wants to try another gps application: http://www.tecdencia.net/navit/ Mar 17 19:47:28 it uses vector maps (garmin included) Mar 17 19:48:38 Anybody played with the SDK on a machine that was somewhat lacking in the SDK's stated memory requirements? Mar 17 19:48:49 like, n800 ? Mar 17 19:48:49 :) Mar 17 19:48:53 lol Mar 17 19:49:33 * KotCzarny have compiled few smaller projects on n800 itself Mar 17 19:49:57 im sure it was you that warned me against that :P Mar 17 19:50:24 i might b wrong tho Mar 17 19:50:33 only if it's ran from internal flash :) Mar 17 19:50:41 lol, no... I just have a dinky P3 laptop with 184MB of ram that I was thinking of using... Stated requirement is 256... Mar 17 19:50:43 using mmc as a / will work fine Mar 17 19:51:06 brains: as long you have swap there.. Mar 17 19:51:06 ;) Mar 17 19:51:18 and don't run firefox (; Mar 17 19:51:27 is it simple booting my 810 from mmc then? Mar 17 19:51:47 ie, if i buy an extra card to fill my slot can i just use the whole 2 gb as primary file system Mar 17 19:51:56 probably Mar 17 19:52:14 is it messy? Mar 17 19:52:20 not at all Mar 17 19:52:22 and do i have lots to learn before i can attempt it? Mar 17 19:52:27 lcuk_2: it's quite easy. I use the first partition as vfat for "normal" maemo use and the second partition for booting some other rootfs Mar 17 19:52:30 there are howtos Mar 17 19:52:50 * Brains will give it a try in the near future then... So he can get on to bugging the nice inhabitants here for info. Mar 17 19:52:59 lcuk_2: http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/#initfs Mar 17 19:53:04 lcuk_2: that's what I've used Mar 17 19:53:15 i wouldnt want to add extra complexity - i have the (i think) 256 internal base flash. a 2gb internal data flash and a blank slot Mar 17 19:53:18 how do you partition the internal card? i didnt find fdisk on the nokia? Mar 17 19:53:30 sfdisk Mar 17 19:53:43 kulve: maybe you want to overrride the gstcodecs.conf in the oggsupport postinst ? Mar 17 19:53:45 but you can do it via usb too Mar 17 19:53:48 i would just fill the blank slot with a 2gb card (cheap and fast) Mar 17 19:54:00 then just run cfdisk /dev/sda Mar 17 19:54:01 thx kulve ill take a look Mar 17 19:54:01 etc. Mar 17 19:54:32 as a added bonus you won't have to umount it by hand Mar 17 19:54:59 recovery from serious crash is then just a case of NOT booting the extra flash and letting the default flash run i gather? Mar 17 19:54:59 and won't be limited to osk Mar 17 19:55:00 Tester_: I need to do some hacks like that unless Nokia disables speex or fix the problem.. Mar 17 19:55:00 :> Mar 17 19:55:38 lcuk_2: yep. And you can flash the original initfs back too Mar 17 19:57:24 great :) i think ill pick up a flash asap then - whats the business with all this class 4 / 6 etc - should i watch out for anything specific? Mar 17 19:58:28 kulve: well we've disabled it now, but whether we'll be allowed to push it into any OS release, we need to ask permission :) Mar 17 19:58:40 lcuk_2: the class number states the minimum write speed on MB/s Mar 17 19:58:41 kulve: we can try and get it updated in the rtcomm beta Mar 17 19:59:02 i have a kingston 2g and a sandisk 8g .. both work fine Mar 17 19:59:23 Robot101: I think it would be good. It's a bit annoying to think that the ogg-sypport breaks google talk on the device.. Mar 17 19:59:24 (both micro in adapter) Mar 17 20:00:40 ok, there is a class 2 and a class 6 available with ~£1 difference - is it only speed thats different (both kingston) Mar 17 20:01:35 im not buying online though, so when i get to the shop and they offer me a class 2 should i be bothered? Mar 17 20:13:42 http://pupnik.de/software.html New game added - Tower Toppler Mar 17 20:14:41 pupnik: all that is for the tablet? Mar 17 20:14:52 yes Mar 17 20:14:57 ooo, nice work :) Mar 17 20:15:03 most are works in progress Mar 17 20:15:09 :) Mar 17 20:15:11 ultima works fine?? Mar 17 20:15:13 i need to make a page with links to 'finished' ones Mar 17 20:15:14 So - I am trying to either edit /etc/farsight/gstcodecs.conf to disable Speex or delete the Speex libraries. Is there any way to do either task without enabling R&D mode and installing SSH? Mar 17 20:15:23 pupnik or **** rating system Mar 17 20:15:26 and a legend Mar 17 20:15:34 **** works pefect/hildonized Mar 17 20:15:42 *** playable Mar 17 20:15:56 ** works, but is problematic Mar 17 20:16:08 * not really works Mar 17 20:16:15 wow.... does the ps.one emu works fine on the n8x0? Mar 17 20:16:16 X - doesn't compile Mar 17 20:16:24 hehe Mar 17 20:16:34 pupnik? Mar 17 20:16:39 the ps1 emu gets about 0.7-1.5 fps Mar 17 20:16:41 Y - it compiled so i shipped it Mar 17 20:16:46 haha Mar 17 20:17:06 is it playable? Mar 17 20:17:10 lol Mar 17 20:17:17 y Mar 17 20:17:20 e Mar 17 20:17:22 1fps can be named playable Mar 17 20:17:23 s Mar 17 20:17:26 or lagg thee sound too? Mar 17 20:17:26 pupnik: dude, you saved my vacations Mar 17 20:17:50 pupnik: so nice Ur-Quan Masters has been ported. been waiting for it! Mar 17 20:18:13 there are better ports for n800 right now - search itt forums Mar 17 20:18:18 pupnik has been beavering away to give us playable software for a while and i aplaude his efforts :D Mar 17 20:18:21 mine will run fullspeed on n770 though Mar 17 20:18:35 *of UQM Mar 17 20:18:50 (when it's done :P) Mar 17 20:19:11 desertc: install ssh dude Mar 17 20:19:18 snes9x + chronotrigger, did you try it? Mar 17 20:19:33 pupnik: won't ssh server stay awake and drain my battery? :( Mar 17 20:19:39 not that much Mar 17 20:19:51 if it's not in use it doesn't do much Mar 17 20:20:08 desertc: if you have os2008 ssh is a pain in the ass with that new wifi battery feature :) Mar 17 20:21:29 wifi battery drain sux :/ Mar 17 20:21:43 1-2days with wifi on ~10 with wifi off Mar 17 20:21:47 if you manage to turn off the battery control on it, it sucks even worse Mar 17 20:21:59 and by "worse" i mean "2-3 hours" Mar 17 20:22:05 total life on a fully charged battery Mar 17 20:22:07 good times. Mar 17 20:22:08 my wifi comes back to life Mar 17 20:22:10 dragorn: nope Mar 17 20:22:12 yay offline mode Mar 17 20:22:23 with 'moderate' power saving mode it's ~1-2 days Mar 17 20:22:31 i disconnect and some time during the night it comes back to life Mar 17 20:22:31 (unless you use tablet actively) Mar 17 20:22:33 Mousey: good idea Mar 17 20:22:37 KotCzarny: er, "yup". When you disable power saving on the wifi device entirely, you get about 3 hours. Mar 17 20:22:52 hehe Mar 17 20:23:02 Granted, you need to work fairly hard at doing so with some of the power ioctls, but for extra fun, restoring the previous state doesn't work Mar 17 20:23:23 but moderate pow-sav works nicely Mar 17 20:23:29 even interactive ssh session is ok Mar 17 20:23:42 not 100% Mar 17 20:23:42 cu @ all Mar 17 20:23:47 pupnik: I did a search on Google for the "ITT Forum" you mentioned, and all I got back were IRC logs of this channel where you mentioned it previously. :-D Do you have a link for it? Mar 17 20:24:14 internettabletalk Mar 17 20:24:21 Thank you Mar 17 20:24:22 maybe with an extra t Mar 17 20:24:36 http://www.internettablettalk.com/ Mar 17 20:24:39 hehe Mar 17 20:25:32 doesnt anyone want to talk about their tables on the internet? Mar 17 20:28:00 i am back again and finally my clock-bug at some Mojos has been squished! Mar 17 20:28:16 regarding the power saving, ive been running my test program with cpu on "ondemand" and it becomes easier to test (constantly faster) im gonna try running on the slower mode for normal operations and see how it copes Mar 17 20:29:10 AND: the Demo Mode now works! Visit www.mojocafe.de to test out 4 standard Mojos that i have choosen.... and please: visit it WITH YOUR DEVICE and not your desktop PC, otherwise you won`t see the login-window (unless you do not change your screen resolution to 800x480)... Mar 17 20:39:09 hi all. Question on the N800. Is the USB port a master or a slave? Mar 17 20:39:19 depending on the cable used Mar 17 20:39:23 and software setting Mar 17 20:39:23 I need to control a USB slave from N800 Mar 17 20:39:34 KotCzarny: interesting Mar 17 20:39:48 but by default it's a 'device' mode Mar 17 20:39:54 (as opposed to 'host' mode) Mar 17 20:41:05 KotCzarny: I need to make a custom cable - it is for controlling a FTDI USB->serial converter Mar 17 20:41:25 not a problem i guess Mar 17 20:41:26 :) Mar 17 20:41:31 ok, bbl Mar 17 20:42:21 KotCzarny: ca you give me some pointers on the SW part - i.e. setting it up the port as a host port Mar 17 20:43:47 cyberholic: why don't you make a simple login/password registration without email fuss? i guess this would attract much more people.. Mar 17 20:45:48 jott: but how do you want to save the profiles. I mean how do you want to save wich Mojo belongs to whom... Mar 17 20:46:31 to register just give name & password.. Mar 17 20:46:37 profiles are saved in a SQL database; passwords in MD5 encryption and emails as simple VARCHAR. This way you can have your profile on any device that supports flash. Mar 17 20:46:47 jott: ah ok.... correct. Mar 17 20:47:02 but then i can not send out emails with bugs, new features etc. Mar 17 20:47:23 you are not allowed to do this by german law anyway :) Mar 17 20:47:59 (not without explicit permission at least) Mar 17 20:48:02 correct, thats why it is deactviated at startup and after you login you have the option to check fo that. Mar 17 20:55:54 hmm... Mar 17 20:56:02 Passwords in md5 encryption, that's pretty weak Mar 17 20:56:09 well, weak in a paranoic way I guess Mar 17 21:01:23 no one is breaking encryption in the real world Mar 17 21:01:51 no one ever broke my rot13! Mar 17 21:01:55 anyway, I'd always use sha1 with salt at least Mar 17 21:02:09 In other news, I have a major problem, and I'd need some help Mar 17 21:02:23 I can't install any kind of software anymore (not using the package manager anyhoo) Mar 17 21:02:35 And I'd need some pointers in order to find out what's happened Mar 17 21:03:15 the install is pretty much brand new, I broke my system a few weeks ago, after running apt-get upgrade, and just reflashed it... The only thing installed is the lcards theme Mar 17 21:04:03 When I try to install any package, when it gets to "Downloading xxxKb", it just says "failed to download ..." Mar 17 21:04:51 anyone got a clue ? Mar 17 21:05:02 maybe you have fun with akamai servers? check if you can reach the repository url from the device Mar 17 21:06:03 hmm Mar 17 21:06:11 I should have stuff in /etc/apt/sources.list right ? Mar 17 21:06:38 well sources.list and/or sources.list.d/* Mar 17 21:10:27 i'm getting a reply from repository.maemo.org Mar 17 21:10:38 I can't test from the tablet though, can't ping if not root Mar 17 21:11:09 well http is more important than ping :) Mar 17 21:11:27 maybe just use microb and surf to r.m.o Mar 17 21:12:51 jott, yeah, I have access to r.m.o in http Mar 17 21:13:08 hmm Mar 17 21:13:32 jott, though, the weird thing is, it also happens when I'm trying on other repositories Mar 17 21:13:49 jott, say, I tried to install vagalume, which has its own repository, no dice, fail at download too Mar 17 21:14:46 i want bluetooth sunglasses with a monochrome terminal display Mar 17 21:15:29 why monochrome Mar 17 21:15:34 pupnik: amber would be nice :) Mar 17 21:16:07 because the tech for this is monochrome Mar 17 21:16:21 yah Mar 17 21:17:38 jott, got any clue ? Or should I just re-flash the whole thing ? Mar 17 21:17:48 jott, and see where I manage to go from there Mar 17 21:18:05 crashanddie: i might have the same issue Mar 17 21:18:24 updated some things with apt-get and now the hildon updater says it fails every time Mar 17 21:18:34 didn't try installing something new yet though Mar 17 21:20:29 oh crap Mar 17 21:20:33 I think I lost my usb cable Mar 17 21:21:29 ouch Mar 17 21:21:46 yeah, looks like it Mar 17 21:21:52 And I don't have any spare micro usb cable Mar 17 21:21:53 dammit Mar 17 21:24:26 * aquatix is gone Mar 17 21:24:32 crashanddie: good luck Mar 17 21:25:21 goodnight all :) Mar 17 21:26:04 aquatix, found one :D Mar 17 21:26:18 http://www.rol.ru/pictures/it/news/slesar-1.jpg jott - there's an example of what i'm talking about Mar 17 21:26:38 http://www.inition.co.uk/inition/guide_hmds_headup.htm Mar 17 21:26:57 that guy in the nokia advert had one Mar 17 21:27:10 http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/14/nokia-nobounds-projects-promises-full-hd-video-over-usb-or-wlan/ Mar 17 21:27:15 hello Mar 17 21:27:42 do you know, where can i get abiword or such like for maemo? Mar 17 21:28:21 gnumeric i already have (works ok with minor annoyances) Mar 17 21:28:53 the Notes app produces documents in mad ugly html Mar 17 21:29:31 is google broke again? Mar 17 21:29:40 try here: http://www.indt.org.br/maemo/#abiword Mar 17 21:30:15 or any of these: http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=maemo+abiword&btnG=Google+Search&meta= Mar 17 21:30:54 lcuk_2, tried that repo search engine, botgt zilch Mar 17 21:30:56 hey lcuk_2, how you doing ? Mar 17 21:31:18 im gr8 thanks Mar 17 21:31:22 guessed incorrectly that Google wouldn't find anything either Mar 17 21:31:31 I gotta say, < 20 secs for the flash image is pretty awesome ^^ Mar 17 21:31:56 its not bad at all Mar 17 21:32:03 yup Mar 17 21:32:05 so have you completely restarted everything? Mar 17 21:32:12 im dreading doing it on mine Mar 17 21:32:23 i dont think i could remember half the stuff ive changed Mar 17 21:33:15 lcuk_2, yeah, just finished flashing it Mar 17 21:34:19 Is it possible to get push mail for n810 mail-software? Mar 17 21:34:34 Or does claws mail have push mail? Mar 17 21:35:05 lcuk_2, "incompatible package" Mar 17 21:35:33 jebe, afaicr it doesn't Mar 17 21:35:59 but minimail (or what's it called now) might have it Mar 17 21:36:35 what is "push mail" is that like having your mailer warn you when you have a mail, or does it basically send a text to your phone? Mar 17 21:37:08 when i leave google mail up it refreshes and lets me know ive got mail - on my 810 - is that being pulled or pushed or doesnt it matter? Mar 17 21:37:18 astorm - im just trying myself Mar 17 21:37:48 lcuk_2, like blackberry Mar 17 21:38:11 what you say is polled mail Mar 17 21:38:31 pushed - mail is sent to you by the server Mar 17 21:38:38 w/o requests Mar 17 21:39:04 which should save battery on wifi and cash on gprs Mar 17 21:39:11 yes i hear about blackberries but never been inclined to see the difference between push and pull - if i get a mail when i have my device running, does it matter how it gets there - is there some magic involved which i am just not getting? Mar 17 21:39:30 but on nokia i dont even have a cell Mar 17 21:39:37 so nothing can be pushed at all Mar 17 21:39:43 ;P Mar 17 21:40:11 my 810 is connected all day tho - nothing more than with a mobile phone connected all day Mar 17 21:41:48 :) Mar 17 21:42:01 I'm working on that too. Mar 17 21:42:17 signing up for the various campus wifis Mar 17 21:42:46 ok, now where do i get a working abiword package? Mar 17 21:42:56 ok Mar 17 21:42:59 so the bad news is Mar 17 21:43:05 even after reflashing my IT Mar 17 21:43:09 I still can't install software Mar 17 21:43:17 that and qalculate are very wanted Mar 17 21:43:41 astorm - theres a long discussion on it here: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14821&page=11 Mar 17 21:43:54 (I'll check scratchbox out and the cross build devel) Mar 17 21:43:57 silly me thought something would be nice and simple Mar 17 21:44:10 I'm getting the feeling my internal memory card is burnt Mar 17 21:44:23 crashanddie, dont do anything rash yet - it could be your local isp Mar 17 21:44:32 lcuk_2, it's not my ISP Mar 17 21:44:43 lcuk_2, I've tried from 3 different networks Mar 17 21:44:48 you say it wont install anything - what have you done since flashing? Mar 17 21:44:58 have you restored a backup? Mar 17 21:45:05 lcuk_2, erhm... Add the wifi network, and changed the theme Mar 17 21:45:07 nope Mar 17 21:45:24 i can do crosscompile me :) Mar 17 21:45:28 downloaded theme? Mar 17 21:45:35 nope, stock one Mar 17 21:45:52 ok, does everything you try to install fail? Mar 17 21:46:02 yeah, pretty much Mar 17 21:46:14 ah another one of my 'inventions' finds a manufacturer Mar 17 21:46:15 "pretty much" - what does install, and what doesnt? Mar 17 21:46:19 http://www.vrealities.com/visiondome2.html Mar 17 21:46:25 (didn't try everything in the list though, but for example, "camera" doesn't) Mar 17 21:46:28 I'll try a few others Mar 17 21:46:41 projector + wide-angle optics + hemispherical dome Mar 17 21:47:06 keep with simple things first - if that still fails with everything, just try something simple from an actual .deb saved Mar 17 21:47:42 make it a bit bigger and you would feel like xavier Mar 17 21:48:39 Does anybody know how to create custom fullscreen keyboard layouts?) Mar 17 21:49:13 maybe the internal flash is full? Mar 17 21:49:37 is it a known issue on n800 running os2007 that when you press the power key to bring up the lock menu it powers of straight away? Mar 17 21:49:38 wazd, I'd love to know that too Mar 17 21:50:04 if you hold the power button it goes off - but all that is configurable in a file somewhere Mar 17 21:50:08 and do n810 keyboard layout too Mar 17 21:50:21 this started happening 2 days a go and is rendering the damn thing almost unusable Mar 17 21:50:57 lcuk_2: but normally you press it once to bring up the lock menu dont you? Mar 17 21:50:58 AStorm, /dev/mtdblock4 is at 100% usage Mar 17 21:51:06 AStorm, there's place everywhere else Mar 17 21:51:13 crashanddie, you fail Mar 17 21:51:27 AStorm, ? Mar 17 21:51:31 that device is i nternal 256 mb chip Mar 17 21:51:43 I'm a bit tired of russian layout, that has no "plus" symbol but has totaly stupid spanish mirrored "?" and "!" ) Mar 17 21:51:57 used to install apps usuaally (w/o tricks) Mar 17 21:52:07 inz: just FYI, I ended up doing it the easy way. Which is to patch microb-eal and ship my own. I get to decide which eal implementation to load since it's my custom UI :P Mar 17 21:52:20 AStorm, please type df in a console Mar 17 21:52:30 test... Mar 17 21:52:31 AStorm, tell me if /dev/mtdblock4 is 100% or not Mar 17 21:53:00 zuh, you're creating custom UI for MicroB?) Mar 17 21:53:02 one is Mar 17 21:53:15 (initfs, expected) Mar 17 21:53:24 the other is not Mar 17 21:53:40 /dev/mtdblock4 257536 220764 36772 86% / Mar 17 21:53:52 wazd: I'm creating an web UI application which uses EAL, so sort of. It's not a _browser_ UI if that's what you mean. Mar 17 21:53:56 so I still have some free Mar 17 21:54:25 have to remove some pointless stuff Mar 17 21:54:50 zuh: ah :) Misundastood :) Mar 17 21:54:53 AStorm, my root is at 55% Mar 17 21:55:04 initfs is at 100%, so that's normal Mar 17 21:55:04 ok, so enough space Mar 17 21:55:08 yup Mar 17 21:55:25 I'm going to activate R&D mode and try to run fsck Mar 17 21:55:35 good idea Mar 17 21:57:52 have to readhowto on rr&d Mar 17 21:58:00 mode Mar 17 21:58:52 AStorm, I used the flashing utility Mar 17 21:59:00 AStorm, add --enable-rd-mode when flashing it Mar 17 21:59:55 blah, I don't want to reflash Mar 17 22:01:36 anyone know how to fix the touchpad so typing on the virtual keyboard doesn't double click the letters? Myy teext alwaays coomees llike thiss. Mar 17 22:01:55 desertc, take your parkinson meds Mar 17 22:02:01 :-D Mar 17 22:02:17 well, that should be tunable Mar 17 22:02:44 maybe standard X autorepeat settings? Mar 17 22:02:58 where do the files get downloaded usually ? Mar 17 22:03:14 where you point to Mar 17 22:03:16 fsck didn't detect anything wrong, I'm going to try and create files manually into the directory Mar 17 22:03:29 desertc: bad calibration ? Mar 17 22:03:29 AStorm, no as in "where does the package manager download the files to ?" Mar 17 22:03:48 BabelO: I'll try calibrating again Mar 17 22:03:49 to some temp dir Mar 17 22:04:17 I just noticed that Bluetooth Keyboard setting were available in the control panel. Anyone used one with the N8x0 before? Mar 17 22:04:34 desertc, yeah Mar 17 22:04:45 desertc, I had a stowaway, awesome, sold it though Mar 17 22:04:50 I'll have to get one again Mar 17 22:04:57 Is it awesome? Like the rest of the N8x0 ? Mar 17 22:05:07 oops, you took the word out of my mouth Mar 17 22:05:27 crashanddie, /var/cache/apt/archives/, but AppMgr clears downloaded packages IIRC Mar 17 22:05:34 jku, k, thanks Mar 17 22:05:34 10 kilos of awesome in a 5 kilo bag Mar 17 22:06:44 ok Mar 17 22:06:58 so I was just able to create a file there and write to it Mar 17 22:07:15 So I'd say my MC isn't completely toast Mar 17 22:09:33 does abiword run on n810? Mar 17 22:10:39 ok... So I'm not the only one to have this problem: http://discussions.europe.nokia.com/discussions/board/message?board.id=smartphones&thread.id=79480 Mar 17 22:18:25 desertc, i have an apple wireless keyboard for my 810 Mar 17 22:18:33 works well? Mar 17 22:18:46 its perfect for the device and lets me chat when sat in bed Mar 17 22:18:52 hot damn! Mar 17 22:19:05 i use the internal 810 keyboard when i go mobile though Mar 17 22:19:10 this little device keeps getting better Mar 17 22:19:12 i like having the option Mar 17 22:19:40 For anyone who has the same problem, I think I've found what it was all about Mar 17 22:19:46 gfi Mar 17 22:19:50 http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=810cratelaptopmodetc6.jpg Mar 17 22:19:59 hmmm media player won't play some mp3s that my desktop plays just fine Mar 17 22:20:21 I was talking to a guy yesterday who was deciding between an iPhone and a N810. I told him, these things have new features all the time. In 10 years, I bet it will still be community supported. No way that'll be the case with an iphone. Mar 17 22:20:25 I don't suppose there's any way to find out what it doesn't like, is there? Mar 17 22:20:46 Can you put a price on openness and freedom? I say, no! \o/ Mar 17 22:20:48 iphone will be - you can bet your ass when apple abandons them they will pick up Mar 17 22:20:55 Can anyone point me at any projects that auto start a daemon when the device boots? Mar 17 22:21:02 The problem comes from the "Internal Memory Card". The package manager uses that one to download packages to, and unfortunately, for some reason (maybe because it crashed during boot, or whatever), it switched to read only. An easy way to check for this is to try and copy something to the Internal Memory Card, it should say "Nothing to paste". Mar 17 22:21:06 the screen is just designed for touching and there are some nice bits on it Mar 17 22:21:20 lcuk_2: but the drivers will never be open source Mar 17 22:21:21 If you have this: format the Internal Memory Card, everything should work again (warning, you will lose all the data) Mar 17 22:21:56 elb: there are some mp3fixer/checker utils that check if the header/bitrate etc data is consistent Mar 17 22:21:56 open source drivers will eventually be created for any wanted device Mar 17 22:22:16 lcuk_2: like the nvidia 3d cards? ;) Mar 17 22:22:37 eventually, yes there will be 3d drivers for them Mar 17 22:22:46 if people still use them etc Mar 17 22:22:49 (or it might be some weird vbr files that the media player can't handle - don't know) Mar 17 22:23:44 take this 810 - it has powervr 3d rendering hardware built in - it will be usable one day by hook or by crook Mar 17 22:23:45 I just used lame Mar 17 22:24:08 lcuk_2: just about everything will happen given enough time, but it's unlikely anyone will reverse engineer the nvidia GPUs before we turn into pure energy to explore the cosmos. ;) Mar 17 22:24:14 out of 11 mp3s I encoded, 3 work -- the others it doesn't even pull the id3 out of Mar 17 22:24:22 i'm still waiting for a fully working linux port for my axim x50. don't think that is going to happen within the decade though ;) Mar 17 22:25:03 given enough motivation it can occur - if a new device comes out tomorrow which is better though the motivation will fade :( Mar 17 22:25:05 lcuk_2: you say there are binary drivers for the N810 ? Mar 17 22:25:06 elb: still might be worth to use something like mp3check or mp3fixer Mar 17 22:25:37 just to be sure :) Mar 17 22:25:45 looking now Mar 17 22:26:30 desert - the other nokia n series devices use the same cpu and make use of the pvr hardware. the drivers might not exist in linux (though i think there is a binary somewhere from a different model) but they exist Mar 17 22:26:58 lcuk_2: But isn't there a lack of memory on the GPU? Mar 17 22:27:05 This would indeed be significant if there were binary drivers in the N8x0. Mar 17 22:27:12 so? we can use lower resolution screens? Mar 17 22:27:27 lcuk_2: ... Yeah. That'll be a "no", then Mar 17 22:27:58 the ones that play and the ones that don't play have the same "anomaly" of no crc ... but no other complaints Mar 17 22:27:59 desertc, well, there are Mar 17 22:28:06 i believe the pvr can handle 640*480 internally - what games on maemo currently run over 400*240? Mar 17 22:28:45 lcuk_2, it can handle up to 800x600 internally ;P Mar 17 22:29:04 the chip has 4 mb Mar 17 22:29:50 AStorm: .. IIRC, that's 4 megabit. Mar 17 22:29:59 hmmm is that purely for the framebuffer? Mar 17 22:30:11 ought to have been Mb Mar 17 22:30:12 Can anyone point me at any projects that auto start a daemon when the device boots? I have a project trying to accomplish this, but my daemon is never started. Mar 17 22:30:16 800x480x16bit requires 6.144 mbit Mar 17 22:30:19 MB dang ;) Mar 17 22:30:40 8bit anyone? ;) Mar 17 22:30:47 i would be happy Mar 17 22:30:51 Lateralus, just use the usual runlevels Mar 17 22:30:57 astorm: I am reading a forum post from "Matt Sealey, Genesi", who saying everything in PowerVR is open source Mar 17 22:31:01 even yuv12 would suffice Mar 17 22:31:17 desertc, itg is Mar 17 22:31:24 he meant the specs Mar 17 22:31:30 AStorm, I am. update-rc.d -f daemon start 99 5 . stop 1 0 6 . is the line I'm using in my postinst file Mar 17 22:31:34 no, he meant the source Mar 17 22:31:37 ok if i want to lock the display on my n800 could someone refresh my memory as to how it is done, last i remember it was press power button once and select lock. am i still correct? Mar 17 22:31:48 desertc: ask him where it is, then Mar 17 22:32:05 desertc, not the 3D part Mar 17 22:32:16 he says the binary drivers are only provided to distributions that are interested in them Mar 17 22:32:19 framebuffer driver is there Mar 17 22:32:28 yup Mar 17 22:32:33 * elb tries ripping without id3v2 Mar 17 22:32:50 anyway, you can read it here: http://www.powerdeveloper.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=9002&sid=abc48a2bdc08033e33fbd464f590bb61 Mar 17 22:33:44 whose part Kyro is nowadays? Mar 17 22:33:46 desertc, "While it would be nice to have a fully open source and fully documented driver for XGI and PowerVR chips (as an example), sometimes this just isn't possible. " Mar 17 22:34:26 = lawsuits Mar 17 22:34:47 jku: which refers to his previous sentence about distros requiring binary drivers Mar 17 22:35:00 desertc, they may have the source but that doesn't make it open source Mar 17 22:35:08 Who is the owner of powervr tech currently? Mar 17 22:35:31 desertc, they have probably paid and signed a stack of ndas Mar 17 22:35:46 heh, yup Mar 17 22:35:54 jku: keep reading, he says they can easily release the code to the blob later Mar 17 22:36:11 I guess nvidia walks over some of these patents Mar 17 22:36:27 desertc, so why not now? Mar 17 22:36:41 too dirty? we can handle that Mar 17 22:36:51 desertc, he does not say that Mar 17 22:36:56 AStorm: I agree - it's disappointing to know there is a binary blob lurking in there Mar 17 22:36:58 lawyers need appeasement? Mar 17 22:37:17 desertc: "It's not going to be too much trouble for us to release the 3D blob" Mar 17 22:37:23 blob, not code Mar 17 22:37:29 I took it to mean code Mar 17 22:37:35 fail Mar 17 22:37:47 blob != code Mar 17 22:38:00 that would need a lot of rev-eng Mar 17 22:38:18 blob with imports and api docs would suffice for me :) Mar 17 22:38:27 He's responding to someone saying they won't release the code to the blob. He responds by saying it would not be too much trouble Mar 17 22:38:30 like that nouveau project (aside, progressing nicely) Mar 17 22:38:36 i dont give a damn where its from - i want my 3-fluffin-d Mar 17 22:38:55 desertc, he's very clear about it: no code, just a blob Mar 17 22:38:56 I want my toolchain on N810 Mar 17 22:39:06 but read it like you want Mar 17 22:39:08 the interface would just work Mar 17 22:39:27 * desertc reads on, hoping for clarification. Mar 17 22:39:52 " Mar 17 22:39:52 Just rest assured we will not dump you guys with a device which has no drivers." Mar 17 22:40:00 yes? Mar 17 22:40:20 perhaps we can go to nokia with this and say "the power guys told us to come knocking" if enough of us knock loudly enough maybe someone will hear Mar 17 22:40:28 There seems to be debate about the powervr even being addressable on the nokias, I don't recall any answer from nokia one way or the other on the list Mar 17 22:40:32 simply that it would not be made to work Mar 17 22:40:35 Okay, I guess this I would need to contact him directly. Mar 17 22:40:53 so, good luck. people have hassled nokia repeatedly on the mailing list, go look at the archives Mar 17 22:41:13 of course it could work - the lcd takes data from main memory and transports it every so often into its buffer Mar 17 22:41:31 you won't get an answer if you knock on the door of an empty house O_o Mar 17 22:41:51 the lcd part doesn't care how the memory got there - it can come from the cpu other bits of memory, from the dsp or from the pvr Mar 17 22:42:10 I actually have the name and number for a N8x0 project manager. :) Mar 17 22:42:19 :D Mar 17 22:42:23 call him every day Mar 17 22:42:26 Now I just need to get him to call me back. :( Mar 17 22:42:38 lcuk_2, mmio? Mar 17 22:42:55 then rev-eng would be fairly easy... Mar 17 22:43:05 AStorm: rev-eng shouldn't be too hard once talking to the chip, the powervr binary drivers from the 2430 sdk are full of debugging symbols. Mar 17 22:43:06 I have Mara's cell number; he does... something ^_^ Mar 17 22:43:24 but I couldn't get past reading the revision/version register until now Mar 17 22:43:27 Navi: :-) Mar 17 22:43:30 :) Mar 17 22:44:17 do we know anything about the expected data formats? Mar 17 22:45:19 blah, nokia messed up tghe deps off ezitext plugins Mar 17 22:45:28 ph5, could you send that oversomehow Mar 17 22:45:32 these dep on each and every language Mar 17 22:45:45 Iwould like to uninstall some Mar 17 22:47:31 or other l10n Mar 17 22:49:42 lcuk_2: http://en.pastebin.ca/946765, nothing interesting Mar 17 22:53:14 is evince better than osso pdf reader€? Mar 17 22:54:03 thx ph5 :) maybe some random poking about is required Mar 17 22:54:11 AStorm, yes and no. Mar 17 22:54:17 Personally, I use both Mar 17 22:54:20 Kind depends on the PDF. Mar 17 22:54:26 hmm Mar 17 22:55:49 how can I format the internal memory card? Mar 17 22:56:03 with dosfstools Mar 17 22:56:19 Or the File manager. Mar 17 22:56:25 GeneralAntilles, oh really ? Mar 17 22:56:26 AStorm, you know of any example of this working? Mar 17 22:56:35 hi GeneralAntilles :) havent seen you about for a few days Mar 17 22:56:38 It's got a "Format" option right in the menu. Mar 17 22:56:46 e.g. mkfs.vfat -F 32 /dev/mmcblk0p1 Mar 17 22:56:53 Was on spring break, lcuk_2. Mar 17 22:57:02 after unmounting it ofc Mar 17 22:57:03 nice :) enjoy it while you can Mar 17 22:57:10 All gone now. :( Mar 17 22:57:13 how many nokias did you take? Mar 17 22:57:19 crashanddie: remember that probably all n810 have a broken partition table for the internal 2gb card Mar 17 22:57:37 Just two Mar 17 22:57:38 jott, it has the correct one ;P Mar 17 22:57:45 hmmm anyone else noticed internettablettalk taking 20+ minutes to render on the 800? Mar 17 22:57:46 My N800 and the N800 I gifted to my sister for her birthday. ;) Mar 17 22:57:49 one partition Mar 17 22:58:02 AStorm, it ships oversized. Mar 17 22:58:30 really? have to fix it then Mar 17 22:58:37 * pH5 thinks finding out where the interrupt is on 2420 and how to switch the mbx's power state is needed next. Mar 17 22:58:54 I can't umount the partition, can't format while mounted, I'm fscked Mar 17 22:59:03 You have swap on? Mar 17 22:59:09 Something using something on the card? Mar 17 22:59:15 hmm Mar 17 22:59:17 i'll deswap Mar 17 22:59:48 "Unable to remove virtual memory" Mar 17 22:59:55 close apps Mar 17 23:00:01 then deswap Mar 17 23:00:03 you have swap enabled? i thought it came disabled after a flash? Mar 17 23:00:20 nope, it doesn't Mar 17 23:00:25 apps closed Mar 17 23:00:31 can't deswap Mar 17 23:01:01 applets? Mar 17 23:01:09 none Mar 17 23:01:58 how do i install coreutils in lieu of busybox? Mar 17 23:02:31 where is the swap file stored ? Mar 17 23:02:36 so I can use swapoff ? Mar 17 23:02:40 and bash too Mar 17 23:02:55 crashanddie, yes, you should Mar 17 23:02:56 hmm Mar 17 23:03:10 swapoff /media/mmc2/.swap Mar 17 23:03:14 Read-Only file system Mar 17 23:03:22 swapoff -a? Mar 17 23:04:03 seemed to have done it Mar 17 23:04:06 but still can't umount it Mar 17 23:05:08 you have something open on it Mar 17 23:05:18 Well then it's a stock app Mar 17 23:05:23 because I have nothing open Mar 17 23:05:31 and swap is still active so to see Mar 17 23:06:21 think I see why it is taking 10mins to render...damn flash Mar 17 23:06:35 is there a quick way of disabling flash on OS2008? Mar 17 23:06:45 yes Mar 17 23:06:48 ds3, there's a plugin for the browser Mar 17 23:06:58 ds3, which allows you to only activate the flash animations you tap Mar 17 23:06:58 AStorm, you'll break things. Mar 17 23:06:59 there's an option in menu Mar 17 23:07:04 crashanddie: got a name for me to search from? Mar 17 23:07:14 GeneralAntilles, like? Mar 17 23:07:19 initramfs? Mar 17 23:07:29 It wont boot if you replace busybox Mar 17 23:07:29 I can redo it. Mar 17 23:07:32 N800 + flash gives me pages for flashing the OS :( Mar 17 23:07:34 GeneralAntilles, any idea what I should do ? Mar 17 23:08:08 ds3 - press that button on the right of location bar Mar 17 23:08:28 ?? Mar 17 23:10:15 ds3, the zoom button Mar 17 23:10:38 select components and uncheck flash Mar 17 23:11:03 ive been thinking about interfaces on my 810 Mar 17 23:11:54 since the keyboard is so squashy - would it be a benefit to do overlay printouts to create big option buttons for our programs? Mar 17 23:12:27 ie, for book reader - essentially splitting the keyboard into just two big buttons - or using the whole top 3 rows as a color select Mar 17 23:13:17 qwertyuiop = red asdfghjkl = green zxcvbnm = blue - it the overlay just had that it would mean you can change color easily and not waste screen space Mar 17 23:13:37 ok... Mar 17 23:13:49 how can I stop the internal memory card from being mounted on boot ? Mar 17 23:13:56 it's not in fstab Mar 17 23:15:09 I really need help here, my IT is basically broken Mar 17 23:15:51 check hal confiig Mar 17 23:16:00 and/or udev config Mar 17 23:16:13 blah, have to reboot Mar 17 23:16:19 brb Mar 17 23:17:19 Someone told me there was a Speex discussion going on that I might be interested in... Mar 17 23:17:24 (I'm the author of Speex) Mar 17 23:18:09 kulve and Robot101 are to ping i guess :) Mar 17 23:19:16 jnworks: I think the problem there is just that speex's RTP payloader/depayloader is broken in the version shipped in OS2008 Mar 17 23:19:36 jmworx, , even Mar 17 23:20:19 crashanddie, if its not working - flash it back to default and dont go messing in the bowels. if its borked, take it back to nokia and tell them to fix it. if its just not doing something specific take it from a clean slate and try again. Mar 17 23:21:19 lcuk_2, I bought it in the states, I'm in europe Mar 17 23:21:29 there may be something you are running or changing along the way which is leaving it in this state. it might be an idea to actually completely cold start it (remove battery) Mar 17 23:22:01 you should still get support if its got a warranty Mar 17 23:22:13 yeah, not exactly a lot of nokia stores around though Mar 17 23:22:23 anyway, other people have had this problem too Mar 17 23:23:24 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17642 Mar 17 23:23:34 hmm Mar 17 23:23:49 somehow, they managed to format the drive, but my guess is they didn't have the swap activated Mar 17 23:23:53 eos time sync asks ntp for a pass :P Mar 17 23:24:19 I can't mount the drive on my computer, because the IT just says "can't bla bla usb mode, card in use" Mar 17 23:24:35 I can't swapoff the swap because it's a read only drive Mar 17 23:24:48 and I can't get it out of read only because the swap is mounted Mar 17 23:25:03 it won't mount -o remount,rw ? Mar 17 23:25:04 crashanddie: mount -o remount,rw ... ? Mar 17 23:25:07 johnx: :) Mar 17 23:25:11 :P Mar 17 23:26:33 omg Mar 17 23:26:39 I love you guys Mar 17 23:28:32 oh god Mar 17 23:28:43 * crashanddie hugs johnx and jott Mar 17 23:28:49 :D Mar 17 23:29:22 well, I guess I'll just redownload the GPS maps and everything, but that's probably the least of my worries Mar 17 23:29:32 Thanks guys Mar 17 23:30:13 sure, good luck Mar 17 23:30:31 * GeneralAntilles johnx You still want that 770? Mar 17 23:30:34 Ha Mar 17 23:30:34 is there actually a simple howto for re-creating a valid 2gb internal partition so we can point people to it? Mar 17 23:30:38 s/me/msg/ Mar 17 23:31:07 ~partition Mar 17 23:31:08 methinks partition is You can partition your hard drive by breaking it up into one or more pieces, or "partitions." Partition Mar 17 23:31:16 hmm :) Mar 17 23:31:30 very useful Mar 17 23:31:56 what no fdisk Mar 17 23:33:49 jott, I'll write one ! Mar 17 23:33:52 but not tonight Mar 17 23:34:01 got like 2 heavy exams tomorrow and everything xD Mar 17 23:34:12 good luck :) Mar 17 23:34:34 oh, well, the exams are no problem, and I have to reinstall a few things on the IT Mar 17 23:34:38 it's just Mar 17 23:34:56 if I start now, I don't think they'll appreciate me yawning like 3 times during the oral Mar 17 23:35:49 hehe yeah just keep in mind that you need to double check the partition table before actually filling it with stuff :) Mar 17 23:39:02 is there any way to get full flash 9 support on an N800? Mar 17 23:39:23 os2008! Mar 17 23:39:25 ^_^ Mar 17 23:39:25 I thought it had full flash 9 support in OS2008? Mar 17 23:40:13 jott any changes/hacks to uae4all? i want to package it soon Mar 17 23:40:26 hmm, does anyone here use eos time sync applet? Mar 17 23:41:44 seems broken Mar 17 23:44:00 I have OS 208 installed. Mar 17 23:44:45 2008 too..dual boot :D Mar 17 23:45:00 pupnik: sorry, no time to do something useful there.. Mar 17 23:45:10 WorkingOnWise, alright, then you have flash 9. problem solved. :) Mar 17 23:45:34 if only everyone's problem were that easy to solve Mar 17 23:45:41 problems even Mar 17 23:46:03 well, I want to get rid of busybox Mar 17 23:46:21 and boot from 2G flash Mar 17 23:46:28 hints? Mar 17 23:46:37 I and another N800 OS 2008 user has gone to the same site and cant share the cam like you can on a PC..I thought it was an incomplete Flash 9 implementation problem... Mar 17 23:46:54 install real tools, not bb lookalikes Mar 17 23:47:24 www.nowlive.com any show, you should be able to put your cam into an open cam slot...but on the N800 I cant. Mar 17 23:47:34 WorkingOnWise, no, probably lack of implementation on Adobe's part Mar 17 23:47:59 WorkingOnWise, something about flash9 not support the V4L2 API for access to the camera, IIRC Mar 17 23:48:13 so flash 9 on the N800 isnt the same as on the PC? Mar 17 23:48:38 could you imagine.. pc's running ARM binaries? Mar 17 23:48:41 that'd be neat Mar 17 23:48:43 slow Mar 17 23:48:44 but neat Mar 17 23:48:53 not that slow Mar 17 23:48:59 ah...and on the N800, V4L2 API is what is used for cam functions? Mar 17 23:49:02 optimist! Mar 17 23:49:05 * Mousey points accusingly Mar 17 23:49:09 there probably are some emulators Mar 17 23:49:19 jott no problem - i just hope you don't mind if I put something up for download. It's quite playable. Mar 17 23:49:34 Thanks of course to KotCzarny Mar 17 23:49:49 pupnik: yeah did you do anything about mouse from the original gp2x source? Mar 17 23:50:03 WorkingOnWise, yes, (again IIRC) Mar 17 23:50:26 hmm, no hints on installing real tools on maemo instead of bb? Mar 17 23:50:27 no. from what i understand there's a limit on the delta value for movement differential Mar 17 23:50:28 so I'll have to give up on that site directly sharing my N800 cam...bummer Mar 17 23:50:49 pc's running ARM binaries? isn't that what scratchbox does? Mar 17 23:50:52 pupnik: well more or less.. it works fine with the follow mouse mode Mar 17 23:51:22 pupnik: actual problem is, that the mouse down is sent before movement Mar 17 23:51:28 AStorm, hint: it will probably be a real pain. First get "boot from sd" working, then try replacing stuff I guess Mar 17 23:51:44 there are pkgs Mar 17 23:51:47 some of the init scripts might have specific workarounds for busybox sh Mar 17 23:51:50 MangoFusion: fine fine, that's it, RAIN on my PARADE Mar 17 23:51:53 haved to replace a lot Mar 17 23:52:04 so, next thing. My N800 is 5 hours old...DIGGIN IT! What it the most feature rich media player? MP3's, videos, internet radio... is there such an animal, or do I use several apps instead? Mar 17 23:52:08 and fix init (mini-rc to sysv) Mar 17 23:52:27 WorkingOnWise, mplayer? Mar 17 23:52:51 WorkingOnWise, have you checked out canola yet? Mar 17 23:52:51 or canola (but some probs here with vid playback unlike mplayer) Mar 17 23:52:53 WorkingOnWise, take a look at Canola2 (not free software though) Mar 17 23:53:07 well it's free, but not *free*... Mar 17 23:53:37 do I have to start explaining it _here_? Mar 17 23:54:05 jku, no place on the internet is free from ignorance. :P Mar 17 23:54:10 johnx, howto on moving boot to sd? (temp.) Mar 17 23:54:39 just rsync and some initramfs mangling? Mar 17 23:54:52 yeah, basically Mar 17 23:55:02 ZOMG GeneralAntilles EEZ BAK!!!!!111oneoneoneone Mar 17 23:55:17 I was never gone! <_< >_> Mar 17 23:55:21 use fanoush's initfs and just rsync or tar everything from internal flash onto sd Mar 17 23:55:37 mhm Mar 17 23:55:45 had to get dinner.. ok, so I'll check out Canola2. Thanks. Mar 17 23:55:49 have tgo boot iit in dev mode too Mar 17 23:56:01 nope Mar 17 23:56:11 johnx: lol Mar 17 23:56:15 (blah, i suck at n810 keys) Mar 17 23:56:29 * KotCzarny bough igo stowaway today Mar 17 23:56:32 bought Mar 17 23:56:35 johnx, i want to, why not Mar 17 23:56:48 KotCzarny: I can see it's helped tons. Mar 17 23:56:48 omg GeneralAntilles! :P Mar 17 23:56:50 KotCzarny, works good? Mar 17 23:56:52 ah, I thought you were saying it was required Mar 17 23:56:52 lol Mar 17 23:57:00 derf: huh? Mar 17 23:57:02 * rm_you lol's all around Mar 17 23:57:11 astorm: i got back home few minutes ago Mar 17 23:57:16 rm_you, might want to get that looked at :P Mar 17 23:57:17 haven't tested it yet Mar 17 23:57:19 damnation, someone beat me to a guitar on cl that i've always wanted. Mar 17 23:57:28 KotCzarny: Just laughing at your typo. Mar 17 23:57:39 johnx: lol, did you get my random AIM earlier? :P Mar 17 23:57:45 or at least be me to reservation to buy Mar 17 23:57:47 heh Mar 17 23:57:49 konttori, much more tgime than needed to set it up Mar 17 23:57:53 luria: overbid! Mar 17 23:57:54 ;) Mar 17 23:57:57 *time Mar 17 23:58:02 i was thinking about it Mar 17 23:58:11 ya knwo why no typos? because im using other ocmputer, differetn ketboard. Mar 17 23:58:14 rm_you, yup Mar 17 23:58:19 that is pretty random Mar 17 23:58:43 i need to see pics tho, it could be the asian produced version, in which case, not such a great deal... Mar 18 00:00:19 blah, no real vim in my repo... Mar 18 00:00:36 AStorm, you've seen Debian for the N800, right? Mar 18 00:00:48 damn, and ive been checking cl all day. Mar 18 00:00:57 john, sure Mar 18 00:01:02 ooh. debian...i'm so out of the maemo loop... Mar 18 00:01:38 Luria, there's still a lot of tweaking left to do, but you can play around with it at this stage at least Mar 18 00:01:55 how reliable is input? Mar 18 00:02:19 for both pen/touch and bt? Mar 18 00:02:35 johnx, I come from Gentoo, i fear no Debian ,P Mar 18 00:02:36 I have no idea about bt, but it should be fine Mar 18 00:02:46 i can deal with a lot of things, but not feeling like i have control is the worst Mar 18 00:02:53 what ui? Mar 18 00:03:16 Maemo/Hildon by default, but you can install anything that has a Debian ARMEL port Mar 18 00:03:25 but then, retooling maemo would be more fun Mar 18 00:04:03 is it keeping to debian philosophy? Mar 18 00:04:08 nope Mar 18 00:04:16 lot's of closed source stuff, just to make it boot Mar 18 00:04:24 ya Mar 18 00:04:43 can't be more open yet Mar 18 00:05:06 there won't be an "open" Debian for the N800 until the following is replaced: wifi driver, binary blob for bt, sound/dsp code, Nokia dsme/bme Mar 18 00:05:34 isn't wifi fully in user space? Mar 18 00:05:46 uhm...no Mar 18 00:06:02 lsmod | grep cx3110x Mar 18 00:06:04 bt is an open typical chip afaicr? Mar 18 00:06:14 hmm :/ Mar 18 00:06:24 IIRC, there is a binary firmware blob that needs to be uploaded into it Mar 18 00:06:35 no issue really, but not "completely open" Mar 18 00:06:38 hmm Mar 18 00:08:08 yeah, i was hoping independant drivers had been written. Mar 18 00:08:11 oh well. Mar 18 00:08:27 yeah, it turns out they don't write themselves Mar 18 00:08:48 it's really not an issue for right now anyways Mar 18 00:09:02 and actually bme is the biggest problem, I think Mar 18 00:09:16 bme being? Mar 18 00:09:35 Nokia's proprietary userspace battery monitoring / charging daemon Mar 18 00:10:39 mhm Mar 18 00:11:00 that could be easily opened by them... why not? Mar 18 00:11:32 I think the justification is that it might reveal some kind of proprietary magic they do with battery charging or something Mar 18 00:12:21 lol Mar 18 00:12:30 johnx: what blob for BT? Mar 18 00:12:33 or some kind of stupidity Mar 18 00:12:34 :) Mar 18 00:12:35 ah, the mythical and nont functional set_apm_to_zpm method. Mar 18 00:12:39 any real business can reverse that Mar 18 00:13:29 hmm, can't directly update to devel maemo Mar 18 00:13:36 conflicts Mar 18 00:13:56 ds3, just going by what I heard...let me see if I can dig it up in a sec Mar 18 00:14:26 gimme gvim ffs... Mar 18 00:14:37 johnx: the only thing the bluetooth requires is 1 firmware file Mar 18 00:14:46 the rest is in the linux-omap tree Mar 18 00:15:25 ds3, that's probably what I was thinking of Mar 18 00:17:46 johnx: but that is no worse then say a WiFi athereos card Mar 18 00:18:09 hmm, installing devel maemo will take some time Mar 18 00:18:16 now if someone could get the freemac to work on the 770/800... :) Mar 18 00:18:27 unlikely Mar 18 00:18:47 wifi is closed Mar 18 00:21:03 eh? Mar 18 00:22:33 it looks like the Official mozilla builds for maemo are now being compiled every day: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mobile/xulrunner-1.9b5pre.en-US.linux-arm.tar.bz2 Mar 18 00:22:45 i just need to find an xulrunner shell app that'll work with it Mar 18 00:22:48 neat Mar 18 00:23:37 AStorm: freemac is a project for a similar Connexant chipset to replace the closed softmac... from a search, the author has asked for people to try getting freemac working on the 800/770hardware Mar 18 00:24:19 hehe :) Mar 18 00:24:31 so not all hope is lost Mar 18 00:25:42 jmworx: don't know how interesting you'd find the speex story, but I think the rtp payloader/depay'r being broken isn't the prime cause of it being broken on maemo's rtcomm stuff after all, its that the farsight media library can't cope with mixing between the gstreamer src/sink elements which are codecs on the dsp, and normal software elements Mar 18 00:26:55 the gstreamer things were at least made to work (the depayloader sends a header to the decoder, but this seems a suspect solution to me) in recent gstreamer Mar 18 00:28:23 brb, reboot for os update Mar 18 00:28:33 but stream engine/farsight wasn't required to deal with some codecs being dsp src/sink elements, and some being software, so it either gets confused when you set, or don't set, pcm src/sink elements :( Mar 18 00:29:07 UQM looks awesome Mar 18 00:29:11 Thanks so much Mar 18 00:29:23 hum Mar 18 00:29:30 anyone with bt kb? Mar 18 00:29:52 when do i enter pin during pairing? Mar 18 00:30:21 Ok - instructions for getting FF 3.0 running on maemo: http://blog.mozilla.com/blassey/2008/03/17/maemo-buildbot/ Mar 18 00:30:24 Screenshots there too Mar 18 00:32:53 hmm, have tgo prep scratchbox with devel maemo Mar 18 00:38:45 KotCzarny: on the keyboard? Mar 18 00:40:01 Holy cow Mar 18 00:40:06 This thing is so much better than microB Mar 18 00:40:15 and easy to install Mar 18 00:40:23 wow. finally. paired Mar 18 00:41:00 1337 kernel hackers are using maemo Mar 18 00:41:05 but now, how do i enter F3 etc? Mar 18 00:41:10 +1 for Nokia Mar 18 00:41:35 KotCzarny, uhm,like,from the kkeyboard? Mar 18 00:41:41 astorm: yeah Mar 18 00:42:12 hah. Mar 18 00:42:14 got them. Mar 18 00:42:23 blue fn + a-l Mar 18 00:45:50 now. i have to learn how to type Mar 18 00:47:17 now if powersaving wasn't such a .. chore Mar 18 00:47:17 ;) Mar 18 00:47:28 is the N800 capable of stereo bluetooth? Mar 18 00:48:16 kinda, sorta :/ Mar 18 00:49:09 um....ok lol Mar 18 00:49:38 explain a little please ...hehe Mar 18 00:53:12 i'm gonna love this kb Mar 18 00:53:14 :) Mar 18 00:54:42 WorkingOnWise, it only works with things that use mplayer for sound output and it takes up 50% of the CPU while running, sometimes it skips Mar 18 00:55:04 whee, got rid of the shift-notifier Mar 18 00:55:06 also, it takes a little time at the command line to setup Mar 18 00:55:20 now i need some leds :P Mar 18 00:57:50 now i should have reduce status bar icons Mar 18 00:58:11 scratch 'have' Mar 18 00:59:04 yup, smaller ones would be nice Mar 18 00:59:11 erm Mar 18 00:59:12 no Mar 18 00:59:15 not size Mar 18 00:59:18 amount Mar 18 00:59:19 :) Mar 18 00:59:25 but extremely hard to hit with fingers Mar 18 00:59:33 ya Mar 18 00:59:44 let's see if it works with n-gage too Mar 18 00:59:45 :> Mar 18 00:59:54 xchat tray can be disabled i.e. Mar 18 01:00:56 anyone use mediaserv? Mar 18 01:01:08 I used it for a while Mar 18 01:01:14 do you run windows? Mar 18 01:01:24 nope Mar 18 01:02:16 you are suppose to set up transcode on the pc and mediaserv on the n800 right? Mar 18 01:02:31 hmm Mar 18 01:02:41 n-gage paired, but seems to require driver Mar 18 01:02:59 mediaserv runs on the PC Mar 18 01:03:21 you *might* be able to make it run on the tablet with some hacking Mar 18 01:03:28 that would be kind of interesting actually Mar 18 01:03:36 wait, i thought the point would was to runon the n800 Mar 18 01:03:54 mediaserv runs on the PC, then transcodes and streams things to the tablet Mar 18 01:04:00 oh Mar 18 01:04:02 yea, i want to do that Mar 18 01:04:29 I have no idea if it works on WIndows... Mar 18 01:04:52 It's http Mar 18 01:05:04 Cygwin plus hacking Mar 18 01:05:04 maybe Mar 18 01:05:20 mediaserv serves up html pages with the videos Mar 18 01:05:23 click the one you want Mar 18 01:05:28 it starts transcoding and streaming. Mar 18 01:05:55 any tutorials? Mar 18 01:06:26 Why would you want to run it under Windows, anyway? Mar 18 01:06:35 cause im on it and thats where my content is? Mar 18 01:06:42 Instructions: Install Linux, run mediaserv Mar 18 01:06:56 ... Mar 18 01:06:58 and as a bonus kb pouch can be used for nokia too Mar 18 01:06:59 :> Mar 18 01:07:14 You have Windows, there's a thousand and one better supported transcoding solutions. Mar 18 01:07:19 Orb, TVersity, etc, etc, etc Mar 18 01:07:27 virtualdub Mar 18 01:07:28 :) Mar 18 01:07:31 oh, just read that and wanted ot check it out Mar 18 01:08:02 if you installed cygwin and the supporting software you might be able to make it work...it probably won't be all that straightforward though Mar 18 01:08:26 ill check out tversity and orb Mar 18 01:10:37 clin: try virtualdub Mar 18 01:10:52 isn't that a converter? Mar 18 01:11:18 what's the difference between transcoder and converter then? Mar 18 01:11:19 :> Mar 18 01:11:31 KotCzarny, he wants something like mediaserv Mar 18 01:11:42 ah Mar 18 01:11:49 ok Mar 18 01:11:51 hence the whole discussion Mar 18 01:11:59 i was playing with a igo kb Mar 18 01:12:18 so i didn't see most of it Mar 18 01:12:19 :) Mar 18 01:33:23 tversity is the windows mediaserv alternative. Mar 18 01:33:30 ;o Mar 18 01:49:03 re. Mar 18 01:49:13 yup. nice keyboard. Mar 18 01:49:14 :) Mar 18 01:59:14 I wonder if anybody is planning on fixing bugzilla Mar 18 01:59:19 or maybe they've just thrown in the flag. Mar 18 01:59:28 have you filed a bug? :P Mar 18 01:59:30 more like on vacations Mar 18 01:59:59 . . . clever. Mar 18 02:00:10 The db is read-only. :P Mar 18 02:00:29 what a pity Mar 18 02:00:30 :P Mar 18 02:00:54 I say again, for anybody who missed it, the case logic portable hard drive case is perfect for N800 + iGo Mar 18 02:00:58 sorry, I really couldn't resist... Mar 18 02:08:05 Here's a dumb question: Where's the microphone on the N800 ? Mar 18 02:08:11 on top Mar 18 02:08:27 Look at the case Mar 18 02:08:28 that little hole Mar 18 02:08:30 take a guess. :P Mar 18 02:08:31 I am always making VoIP calls and turning the device around asking if they can hear me Mar 18 02:08:35 (hint, it's on the top. :P) Mar 18 02:08:40 Should maemo3.1 work with N800's OS2008? Thanks Mar 18 02:08:54 what a weird place for the mic Mar 18 02:08:55 jacky, OS2008 is maemo4.x Mar 18 02:08:56 jacky: probably Mar 18 02:09:09 but not guaranted Mar 18 02:09:14 KotCzarny, uhm no Mar 18 02:09:29 Why, desertc? Mar 18 02:09:31 not very phone-like -- I have to remember to use my headset Mar 18 02:09:36 It's not a phone. Mar 18 02:09:38 jacky, generally stuff for maemo3.x/OS2007 needs to be changed to work with OS2008/maemo4.x Mar 18 02:09:41 Just use it like a speakerphone Mar 18 02:09:43 desertc: how do you use it? Mar 18 02:09:53 it usually stands/pays on desk Mar 18 02:09:55 jacky, there are major API breaks between maemo 3 and 4 Mar 18 02:10:01 johnx: generally Mar 18 02:10:03 So to develop on OS2008, I have to upgrade maemo3.1 to maemo4.x? Mar 18 02:10:03 :) Mar 18 02:10:15 jacky: yes Mar 18 02:10:32 Quite. Mar 18 02:10:38 but stuff developed with maemo4 won't work on maemo3 Mar 18 02:10:44 well - you typically have the speakers facing you, so you'd think the mic would face you, too Mar 18 02:10:44 definitely Mar 18 02:10:46 Thanks. I need to download the whole stuff again. Mar 18 02:10:53 desertc: it faces you Mar 18 02:10:59 when you extend the stand Mar 18 02:11:04 and put it on the desk Mar 18 02:11:25 when I extend the stand, the mic is on the back Mar 18 02:11:31 not quite Mar 18 02:11:38 well, not quite Mar 18 02:11:40 It's a good mic Mar 18 02:11:44 Not really directional Mar 18 02:11:49 also remember that sound is a wave Mar 18 02:11:50 So it doesn't really matter. Mar 18 02:11:50 Anyone has experience in compiling external kernel module for the OS2008? Mar 18 02:11:54 that will reach it anyway Mar 18 02:12:00 jacky: external? Mar 18 02:12:01 :) Mar 18 02:12:06 GeneralAntilles: okay, thanks - you're right, no one has ever complained about it Mar 18 02:12:21 The real signal-quality killer is voip. ;) Mar 18 02:12:37 I need some help on to setup the environment and the instruction to do so. Thanks Mar 18 02:12:41 jacky, yes, there's a tutorial on recompiling the kernel that you should look at Mar 18 02:12:44 jacky: maemo.org Mar 18 02:12:45 :) Mar 18 02:13:03 once you have scratchbox + sdk it's just regular ocnfigure & make Mar 18 02:13:09 or make config & make Mar 18 02:13:15 (in case of the kernel) Mar 18 02:13:26 jacky, info here: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/kernel_guide_for_maemo.html Mar 18 02:13:31 or if you can fix one line in kernel's makefile you can even use make menuconfig Mar 18 02:13:32 ;) Mar 18 02:15:09 Thanks, I just need ipqueue.ko module. I want to use an ad-hoc routing protocol which requires ipqueue.ko. I will see the instruction here.Thanks Mar 18 02:15:59 no problem. that should be perfectly straightforward Mar 18 02:16:56 hello Mar 18 02:17:00 hi Mar 18 02:17:16 hi Mar 18 02:17:20 hi Mar 18 02:25:48 question; I have an n810. whenever I start an application that can take text input, a box pops up at the bottom of the screen that has "ABC" written in the bottom corner. WHat is this box for and how do I make it go away? Mar 18 02:26:34 I have an N800 but I think that's the text completion box Mar 18 02:26:44 there's a setting for it in the control panel Mar 18 02:26:52 (I think) Mar 18 02:32:14 cheers johnx **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Mar 18 02:59:57 2008